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		<title>By: Gaynell Obermann</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/06/open-forum-february-6-2010/comment-page-16/#comment-44898</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaynell Obermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 14:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Barbara .  What  would  tv  be without her! I hope that she is  going to be better and better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Barbara .  What  would  tv  be without her! I hope that she is  going to be better and better!</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/06/open-forum-february-6-2010/comment-page-16/#comment-13969</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Cuomo’s a crusader, that can be good or bad.

The court case should be interesting, Bernanke and Paulson will appear as witnesses, that is unless some law I don’t know about says they don’t have to.

They fell into the trap of thinking the ends justifies the means.&lt;/i&gt;

Cuomo&#039;s extra-jurisdictional push is a bad thing period. He&#039;s only hounding Bank America to use as a springboard to Albany, that&#039;s all.

It won&#039;t go to court as all he&#039;s looking for is a settlement of say $50 million and the ability to declare victory. His father was an incompetent but was never this ruthless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Cuomo’s a crusader, that can be good or bad.</p>
<p>The court case should be interesting, Bernanke and Paulson will appear as witnesses, that is unless some law I don’t know about says they don’t have to.</p>
<p>They fell into the trap of thinking the ends justifies the means.</i></p>
<p>Cuomo&#8217;s extra-jurisdictional push is a bad thing period. He&#8217;s only hounding Bank America to use as a springboard to Albany, that&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>It won&#8217;t go to court as all he&#8217;s looking for is a settlement of say $50 million and the ability to declare victory. His father was an incompetent but was never this ruthless.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bird:

I see you&#039;re back as Mill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bird:</p>
<p>I see you&#8217;re back as Mill?</p>
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		<title>By: Mill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sdfc, I think Ken Lewis is a fucking hero. I think he’s a true American hero who may have actually ended up saving the US and now is paying the price of assisting the US government.&quot;

Very interesting. Further enquiries could elicit valuable information for younger readers. The kids have so few role models that we can speak of as heroes. True heroes. True American heroes. 

I trust this is not welfare-queen banker whoredom speaking.

For the benefit of younger reasons can we hone in on the particulars of this mans heroism. Any good hero is worthy of emulation. We want to get right down to his derring-do. His bravery under fire. His bold yet honest moves. His fending off of temptation in the face of generalised brutalitarian thieving. 

More details please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sdfc, I think Ken Lewis is a fucking hero. I think he’s a true American hero who may have actually ended up saving the US and now is paying the price of assisting the US government.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very interesting. Further enquiries could elicit valuable information for younger readers. The kids have so few role models that we can speak of as heroes. True heroes. True American heroes. </p>
<p>I trust this is not welfare-queen banker whoredom speaking.</p>
<p>For the benefit of younger reasons can we hone in on the particulars of this mans heroism. Any good hero is worthy of emulation. We want to get right down to his derring-do. His bravery under fire. His bold yet honest moves. His fending off of temptation in the face of generalised brutalitarian thieving. </p>
<p>More details please.</p>
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		<title>By: dover_beach</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/06/open-forum-february-6-2010/comment-page-16/#comment-13951</link>
		<dc:creator>dover_beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What, like January 2010 being the hottest January in the UAH 30 year record?&lt;/i&gt;

I think that is bad news for you, Steve. Look at what happens to temps following 1998 once the El Nino disappeared as it is disappearing here, and add into that the on-going decline in ocean heat content.

&lt;i&gt;Stop counting your skeptic eggs before they’re all hatched, DB.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m conservative so I never do that, Steve, but I&#039;m wondering about you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What, like January 2010 being the hottest January in the UAH 30 year record?</i></p>
<p>I think that is bad news for you, Steve. Look at what happens to temps following 1998 once the El Nino disappeared as it is disappearing here, and add into that the on-going decline in ocean heat content.</p>
<p><i>Stop counting your skeptic eggs before they’re all hatched, DB.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m conservative so I never do that, Steve, but I&#8217;m wondering about you.</p>
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		<title>By: steve from brisbane</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve from brisbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Steve from B, you really are a little desperate for good news these days.&quot;

What, like January 2010 being the hottest January in the UAH 30 year record?  (And that being just a tad under the 1998&#039;s all time high?)  Stop counting your skeptic eggs before they&#039;re all hatched, DB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Steve from B, you really are a little desperate for good news these days.&#8221;</p>
<p>What, like January 2010 being the hottest January in the UAH 30 year record?  (And that being just a tad under the 1998&#8242;s all time high?)  Stop counting your skeptic eggs before they&#8217;re all hatched, DB.</p>
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		<title>By: dover_beach</title>
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		<dc:creator>dover_beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;(By the way, I find it curious why skeptics, those great hard working debunkers, aren’t just a little embarrassed that it took them so long to get onto the glacier mistake.)&lt;/i&gt;

As opposed to the &quot;4000 humourless scientists&quot; Rudd refers to as the IPCC. Steve from B, you really are a little desperate for good news these days.

&lt;i&gt;Whereas, if they were more sensible, they would realise that something like the issue of whether the Himalayan glaciers take 30 or 300 years to melt will not be a big issue if temperatures have increased (say) 4 degree in 150 years.&lt;/i&gt;

So &#039;sensible&#039; scepticism requires you to be more speculative? BTW, it is very unlikely that temps will rise by 4 C in the next 150 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>(By the way, I find it curious why skeptics, those great hard working debunkers, aren’t just a little embarrassed that it took them so long to get onto the glacier mistake.)</i></p>
<p>As opposed to the &#8220;4000 humourless scientists&#8221; Rudd refers to as the IPCC. Steve from B, you really are a little desperate for good news these days.</p>
<p><i>Whereas, if they were more sensible, they would realise that something like the issue of whether the Himalayan glaciers take 30 or 300 years to melt will not be a big issue if temperatures have increased (say) 4 degree in 150 years.</i></p>
<p>So &#8216;sensible&#8217; scepticism requires you to be more speculative? BTW, it is very unlikely that temps will rise by 4 C in the next 150 years.</p>
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		<title>By: dover_beach</title>
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		<dc:creator>dover_beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And Bolt and co never once accused AGW proponents of being fascist/having mental illness.&lt;/i&gt;

Considering the manner many have treated Bolt, it is of a piece. Marr reading a paper while Bolt spoke of AGW on Insiders, Crabb referring to a study Bolt might have raised as being from the University of East Bumcrack. How amusing to find that the leaked emails dubbed Climategate emerged from the CRU based at the University of East Anglia. Speaking of bumcracks....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And Bolt and co never once accused AGW proponents of being fascist/having mental illness.</i></p>
<p>Considering the manner many have treated Bolt, it is of a piece. Marr reading a paper while Bolt spoke of AGW on Insiders, Crabb referring to a study Bolt might have raised as being from the University of East Bumcrack. How amusing to find that the leaked emails dubbed Climategate emerged from the CRU based at the University of East Anglia. Speaking of bumcracks&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: dover_beach</title>
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		<dc:creator>dover_beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;JC, to say that must mean you’ve never spent much time reading the comments on a “skeptic” site like (the now defunct) Jennifer Marohasy’s. And you are also giving no credit to the degree of annoyance that must surely come with having to repeat and repeat and repeat why certain skeptic arguments are wrong ad infinitum.&lt;/i&gt;

A distraction. What appears in the comments of a blog is irrelevant so far as the civility of a debate is concerned; I was referring to the principals in any debate: the scientists, journal editors, news reporters, opinion writers, etc., not what Bird or anyone else might have to say on a blog. CL is right about the warmists being &#039;schooled&#039;, I&#039;d also add they&#039;ve been chastened by the last three months. As for annoyance, please, what condescending twaddle which is beside the point. Firstly, that is precisely what civility is supposed to moderate; and secondly, where not talking about commenters on blogs but about the work of Douglass, McIntyre, Pielke Sr, Spencer, etc. which can&#039;t simply be brushed aside as wrong. Moreover, we&#039;ve seen that the responses of scientists like Mann to McIntyre&#039;s claims as in one instance being &#039;bizarre&#039; were in fact accurate. What you interpret as annoyance is often an incapacity to formulate a coherent response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>JC, to say that must mean you’ve never spent much time reading the comments on a “skeptic” site like (the now defunct) Jennifer Marohasy’s. And you are also giving no credit to the degree of annoyance that must surely come with having to repeat and repeat and repeat why certain skeptic arguments are wrong ad infinitum.</i></p>
<p>A distraction. What appears in the comments of a blog is irrelevant so far as the civility of a debate is concerned; I was referring to the principals in any debate: the scientists, journal editors, news reporters, opinion writers, etc., not what Bird or anyone else might have to say on a blog. CL is right about the warmists being &#8216;schooled&#8217;, I&#8217;d also add they&#8217;ve been chastened by the last three months. As for annoyance, please, what condescending twaddle which is beside the point. Firstly, that is precisely what civility is supposed to moderate; and secondly, where not talking about commenters on blogs but about the work of Douglass, McIntyre, Pielke Sr, Spencer, etc. which can&#8217;t simply be brushed aside as wrong. Moreover, we&#8217;ve seen that the responses of scientists like Mann to McIntyre&#8217;s claims as in one instance being &#8216;bizarre&#8217; were in fact accurate. What you interpret as annoyance is often an incapacity to formulate a coherent response.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/06/open-forum-february-6-2010/comment-page-16/#comment-13929</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s on.

http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2010/02/12/amzn-reportedly-mulls-free-kindle-for-amazon-prime-subs/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+barrons%2Ftechtraderdaily%2Ffeed+%28BARRONS.com+Blog%3A+Tech+Trader+Daily%29</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s on.</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2010/02/12/amzn-reportedly-mulls-free-kindle-for-amazon-prime-subs/?utm_source=feedburner&#038;utm_medium=feed&#038;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+barrons%2Ftechtraderdaily%2Ffeed+%28BARRONS.com+Blog%3A+Tech+Trader+Daily%29" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2010/02/12/amzn-reportedly-mulls-free-kindle-for-amazon-prime-subs/?utm_source=feedburner&#038;utm_medium=feed&#038;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+barrons%2Ftechtraderdaily%2Ffeed+%28BARRONS.com+Blog%3A+Tech+Trader+Daily%29</a></p>
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