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		<title>By: Fabian</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/12/liking-peter-garrett/comment-page-1/#comment-18905</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 05:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life is full of ironies. Like comparing the pic of the radical Garrett from the past screaming in the face of a sorely tested Police Officer and the miserable sloppy chops pic of the same tyro from yesterday. Here&#039;s another irony- as a bit of a player and devotee of Australian music, I play some Midnight Oils songs. This necessitates knowing the the lyrics as well as the music. The irony is that even in his rad rock star persona, he could still put out misinformation and spin; to wit, the song Blue Sky Mining. It&#039;s about Asbestos mining. Does Garrett proudly blast out,&#039;if the asbestos mining company won&#039;t save me....&#039;?  No, he calls it a sugar refining company. This shows the soft core of a man of straw (hey I should take up rap, with a silent&quot;c&quot;) show- ponying around as some sort of angry social warrior with an escape clause in the back pocket. I detest such shenanigans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life is full of ironies. Like comparing the pic of the radical Garrett from the past screaming in the face of a sorely tested Police Officer and the miserable sloppy chops pic of the same tyro from yesterday. Here&#8217;s another irony- as a bit of a player and devotee of Australian music, I play some Midnight Oils songs. This necessitates knowing the the lyrics as well as the music. The irony is that even in his rad rock star persona, he could still put out misinformation and spin; to wit, the song Blue Sky Mining. It&#8217;s about Asbestos mining. Does Garrett proudly blast out,&#8217;if the asbestos mining company won&#8217;t save me&#8230;.&#8217;?  No, he calls it a sugar refining company. This shows the soft core of a man of straw (hey I should take up rap, with a silent&#8221;c&#8221;) show- ponying around as some sort of angry social warrior with an escape clause in the back pocket. I detest such shenanigans.</p>
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		<title>By: New Blogs Update 4 &#171; Log My Blog BLOG!</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/12/liking-peter-garrett/comment-page-1/#comment-15330</link>
		<dc:creator>New Blogs Update 4 &#171; Log My Blog BLOG!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 04:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This blog in danger of many other political blogs of being way too predictable. However, some of the authors of this blog fight against this expressing opinions that are against the expected right-wing view &#8211; such as a like of Peter Garrett. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This blog in danger of many other political blogs of being way too predictable. However, some of the authors of this blog fight against this expressing opinions that are against the expected right-wing view &#8211; such as a like of Peter Garrett. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/12/liking-peter-garrett/comment-page-1/#comment-14019</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Eagle, I&#039;m beginning to think it&#039;s possible Garrett was ordered to man up and recklessly continue the scheme by Rudd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Eagle, I&#8217;m beginning to think it&#8217;s possible Garrett was ordered to man up and recklessly continue the scheme by Rudd.</p>
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		<title>By: Legal Eagle</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/12/liking-peter-garrett/comment-page-1/#comment-14014</link>
		<dc:creator>Legal Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CL, that&#039;s shocking. 

I&#039;d agree that Bolt&#039;s explanation is likely, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CL, that&#8217;s shocking. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d agree that Bolt&#8217;s explanation is likely, too.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/12/liking-peter-garrett/comment-page-1/#comment-13979</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New scandal now being reported:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/peter-garrett-faces-tough-new-questions/story-e6frf7l6-1225829900441&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Peter Garrett now faces tough new questions&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;THE Environment Minister was allegedly aware of cheap imports reeking of toxic chemicals. 
The insulation imports were reported to be &quot;reeking&quot; of the harmful chemical &lt;b&gt;formaldehyde&lt;/b&gt;, the Herald Sun reports.

A Melbourne insulation industry leader, Warrick Batt, said last night he&#039;d raised concerns about formaldehyde in a meeting with the Environment Minister.

Mr Garrett has faced Liberal claims in Parliament that he ignored 13 warnings of safety problems that led to the death of four roof insulation installers.

The Herald Sun has learned that several insulation industry leaders raised concerns with Mr Garrett about formaldehyde in the batts being imported from China, Thailand and the US.

Formaldehyde has been linked to respiratory problems and cancer.

Its use is not specifically banned, but Australian companies being undercut by imports say the foreign-made product is not up to standard and could pose health risks.

Mr Batt, managing director of Melbourne-based Autex, said he &lt;b&gt;met Mr Garrett three times&lt;/b&gt; in the past six months.

&quot;I told him we were aware some imported product had high levels of formaldehyde,&quot; Mr Batt said.

&quot;Mr Garrett effectively said if that was the case, and we could prove it, he would call for action to be taken.&quot;

Mr Batt said he had told Mr Garrett that it should not be up to businesses to police their competitors.

Doug Mill, the managing director of the Demand Group, &lt;b&gt;sent a letter to Mr Garrett warning&lt;/b&gt; that high temperatures in the roof could &quot;release gases such as formaldehyde&quot;.

Other senior industry figures, who did not want to be named, confirmed they had written to the minister.

One letter described the imports as &quot;reeking of formaldehyde&quot;. Another gave examples of roof installers vomiting when they opened bags of the foreign insulation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Andrew Bolt&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/why_rudd_may_not_dare_sack_garrett/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;explanation&lt;/a&gt; for Rudd protecting Garrett rings true:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Garrett did indeed worry about his scheme being too quick-quick and chaotic. But Rudd’s office would not let him slow down and leave Rudd looking like he’d goofed again.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New scandal now being reported:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/peter-garrett-faces-tough-new-questions/story-e6frf7l6-1225829900441" rel="nofollow">Peter Garrett now faces tough new questions</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>THE Environment Minister was allegedly aware of cheap imports reeking of toxic chemicals.<br />
The insulation imports were reported to be &#8220;reeking&#8221; of the harmful chemical <b>formaldehyde</b>, the Herald Sun reports.</p>
<p>A Melbourne insulation industry leader, Warrick Batt, said last night he&#8217;d raised concerns about formaldehyde in a meeting with the Environment Minister.</p>
<p>Mr Garrett has faced Liberal claims in Parliament that he ignored 13 warnings of safety problems that led to the death of four roof insulation installers.</p>
<p>The Herald Sun has learned that several insulation industry leaders raised concerns with Mr Garrett about formaldehyde in the batts being imported from China, Thailand and the US.</p>
<p>Formaldehyde has been linked to respiratory problems and cancer.</p>
<p>Its use is not specifically banned, but Australian companies being undercut by imports say the foreign-made product is not up to standard and could pose health risks.</p>
<p>Mr Batt, managing director of Melbourne-based Autex, said he <b>met Mr Garrett three times</b> in the past six months.</p>
<p>&#8220;I told him we were aware some imported product had high levels of formaldehyde,&#8221; Mr Batt said.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr Garrett effectively said if that was the case, and we could prove it, he would call for action to be taken.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr Batt said he had told Mr Garrett that it should not be up to businesses to police their competitors.</p>
<p>Doug Mill, the managing director of the Demand Group, <b>sent a letter to Mr Garrett warning</b> that high temperatures in the roof could &#8220;release gases such as formaldehyde&#8221;.</p>
<p>Other senior industry figures, who did not want to be named, confirmed they had written to the minister.</p>
<p>One letter described the imports as &#8220;reeking of formaldehyde&#8221;. Another gave examples of roof installers vomiting when they opened bags of the foreign insulation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Andrew Bolt&#8217;s <a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/why_rudd_may_not_dare_sack_garrett/" rel="nofollow">explanation</a> for Rudd protecting Garrett rings true:</p>
<blockquote><p>Garrett did indeed worry about his scheme being too quick-quick and chaotic. But Rudd’s office would not let him slow down and leave Rudd looking like he’d goofed again.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/12/liking-peter-garrett/comment-page-1/#comment-13964</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee Rog, you gave me (and others) grief about this all through the thread and now you&#039;re posting that comment.

Dude you need to use the medications consistently or you end up in a really confused mental state</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee Rog, you gave me (and others) grief about this all through the thread and now you&#8217;re posting that comment.</p>
<p>Dude you need to use the medications consistently or you end up in a really confused mental state</p>
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		<title>By: rog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This insulation thing is a can of worms; old houses with old cabling which has lost its protective insulation; improper wiring by sparkies; ditto by DIY sparkies; improper fitting of halogen downlights.

There are a lot of houses out there that should be rewired - anything built prior to around the 1950s with that old rubber cabling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This insulation thing is a can of worms; old houses with old cabling which has lost its protective insulation; improper wiring by sparkies; ditto by DIY sparkies; improper fitting of halogen downlights.</p>
<p>There are a lot of houses out there that should be rewired &#8211; anything built prior to around the 1950s with that old rubber cabling</p>
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		<title>By: steve from brisbane</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/12/liking-peter-garrett/comment-page-1/#comment-13939</link>
		<dc:creator>steve from brisbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record  (and especially seeing I said on another thread that I felt a little sorry for Garrett):

a.  I never liked Midnight Oil.  As a friend once said to me in the 1980&#039;s &quot;every song&#039;s a whinge&quot;.

b.  JC is right.  If Garrett is locked into a redundant anti nuclear position, he&#039;s actually more of a problem for the planet than a help;

c.  I can still feel a little sorry for him because I bet at every stage he had some public servant in his ear saying about the warnings &quot;yeah, well they would say that wouldn&#039;t they.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record  (and especially seeing I said on another thread that I felt a little sorry for Garrett):</p>
<p>a.  I never liked Midnight Oil.  As a friend once said to me in the 1980&#8242;s &#8220;every song&#8217;s a whinge&#8221;.</p>
<p>b.  JC is right.  If Garrett is locked into a redundant anti nuclear position, he&#8217;s actually more of a problem for the planet than a help;</p>
<p>c.  I can still feel a little sorry for him because I bet at every stage he had some public servant in his ear saying about the warnings &#8220;yeah, well they would say that wouldn&#8217;t they.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: skepticlawyer</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/12/liking-peter-garrett/comment-page-1/#comment-13928</link>
		<dc:creator>skepticlawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should it be attributed to this roofing business, CL, or was it just one of those things? I know that is a dreadful thing to say, but you know what I mean. 

The first inkling I got over here that this was very bad was a batch family email from one of my brothers (who happens to be a sparky) assuring the rest of us that no, he &#039;wasn&#039;t doing any of those insulation jobs&#039;.

I knew nothing of the history, or that there have been ongoing issues with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should it be attributed to this roofing business, CL, or was it just one of those things? I know that is a dreadful thing to say, but you know what I mean. </p>
<p>The first inkling I got over here that this was very bad was a batch family email from one of my brothers (who happens to be a sparky) assuring the rest of us that no, he &#8216;wasn&#8217;t doing any of those insulation jobs&#8217;.</p>
<p>I knew nothing of the history, or that there have been ongoing issues with it.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/12/liking-peter-garrett/comment-page-1/#comment-13927</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SL, the heat exhaustion case was a 19 year-old intellectually handicapped man. It was his first day of working after two weeks of &quot;training.&quot; He came out of the ceiling and died.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SL, the heat exhaustion case was a 19 year-old intellectually handicapped man. It was his first day of working after two weeks of &#8220;training.&#8221; He came out of the ceiling and died.</p>
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