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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/21/legitimate-protest-and-political-violence/comment-page-3/#comment-17097</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh bullshit. You&#039;re just a lefty who&#039;s been offended by something I wrote. Good.

Getting back to Larvatus Prodeo - where it&#039;s policy &lt;a href=&quot;http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/do_not_denounce_them/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;not to condemn&lt;/a&gt; female genital mutilation and where Noel Pearson is a &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/19/welfare-reform-pearson-style/#comment-377825&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;coconut&lt;/a&gt;&quot; - infamous weirdo &quot;Katz&quot; has &lt;a href=&quot;http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/02/21/stuff-white-people-do-or-when-flying-a-plane-into-a-building-isnt-terrorism/#comment-859456&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;announced&lt;/a&gt; that the civilians in Austin Texas who fired on mass murderer Charles Whitman in 1966 were &quot;loonies&quot; and &quot;terrorists.&quot; Taken to task by Steve, Katz doubled down and described the &lt;i&gt;Austin police officers&lt;/i&gt; who took Whitman out as &quot;racist loonies&quot; and &quot;racist hick bigots.&quot;

No folks, I&#039;m not joking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh bullshit. You&#8217;re just a lefty who&#8217;s been offended by something I wrote. Good.</p>
<p>Getting back to Larvatus Prodeo &#8211; where it&#8217;s policy <a href="http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/do_not_denounce_them/" rel="nofollow">not to condemn</a> female genital mutilation and where Noel Pearson is a &#8220;<a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2007/06/19/welfare-reform-pearson-style/#comment-377825" rel="nofollow">coconut</a>&#8221; &#8211; infamous weirdo &#8220;Katz&#8221; has <a href="http://larvatusprodeo.net/2010/02/21/stuff-white-people-do-or-when-flying-a-plane-into-a-building-isnt-terrorism/#comment-859456" rel="nofollow">announced</a> that the civilians in Austin Texas who fired on mass murderer Charles Whitman in 1966 were &#8220;loonies&#8221; and &#8220;terrorists.&#8221; Taken to task by Steve, Katz doubled down and described the <i>Austin police officers</i> who took Whitman out as &#8220;racist loonies&#8221; and &#8220;racist hick bigots.&#8221;</p>
<p>No folks, I&#8217;m not joking.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Norm:

the left at the moment thoroughly deserves the shit that is being piled on from libertarians.

This isn&#039;t just here. Take a look at the Libertarian bible- Reason mag- and see the way they&#039;re piling on against the American left.

The lying, the dishonesty, the innumeracy, the spending, the hypocrisy, the trog like behavior towards economics.

Where would you like  me to start.

The Tea party movement in the US is an agglomeration of various disaffected groupings, but one sub-group are the American libertarians who are totally out of their minds pissed with the American left.

A good number don&#039;t even blame Obama as much as they blame the stupidity and senselessness of leftwing voters in the primaries for putting an albeit decent man into a job he&#039;s not qualified for.


As for Australia. Look at the mess Rudd is quickly getting us into. In one year he&#039;s moved us from a surplus of around 60 billion to running a deficit that will end up peaking according to that noted right newspaper - the SM- of around $160 billion.

Tell me if libertarians should be pissed?

Even noted non-big-party-committed libertarians like John Humphreys are pissed at what has been going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norm:</p>
<p>the left at the moment thoroughly deserves the shit that is being piled on from libertarians.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t just here. Take a look at the Libertarian bible- Reason mag- and see the way they&#8217;re piling on against the American left.</p>
<p>The lying, the dishonesty, the innumeracy, the spending, the hypocrisy, the trog like behavior towards economics.</p>
<p>Where would you like  me to start.</p>
<p>The Tea party movement in the US is an agglomeration of various disaffected groupings, but one sub-group are the American libertarians who are totally out of their minds pissed with the American left.</p>
<p>A good number don&#8217;t even blame Obama as much as they blame the stupidity and senselessness of leftwing voters in the primaries for putting an albeit decent man into a job he&#8217;s not qualified for.</p>
<p>As for Australia. Look at the mess Rudd is quickly getting us into. In one year he&#8217;s moved us from a surplus of around 60 billion to running a deficit that will end up peaking according to that noted right newspaper &#8211; the SM- of around $160 billion.</p>
<p>Tell me if libertarians should be pissed?</p>
<p>Even noted non-big-party-committed libertarians like John Humphreys are pissed at what has been going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair Davidson</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/21/legitimate-protest-and-political-violence/comment-page-3/#comment-17085</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinclair Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THR pointed to this very early - institutional context is very important when considering the scope and legitimacy of violent protest against the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THR pointed to this very early &#8211; institutional context is very important when considering the scope and legitimacy of violent protest against the state.</p>
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		<title>By: Peregrine</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/02/21/legitimate-protest-and-political-violence/comment-page-3/#comment-17084</link>
		<dc:creator>Peregrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if this has been raised by comments to date, but my impression of the US independence struggle is that it was encapsulated by the catchcry, &#039;no taxation without representation&#039;. Taken from this view, the tyranny lay in not taxation of private property itself, but the lack of a democratic process allowing for citizens to set a level appropriate to their needs.

In effect, the colonists felt their local legislatures (or their delegates to London) should set American tax powers and it was this that gave rise to the charge of tyranny against the King.

Flying a plane into the IRS does on its face appear to be frustration by an individual with their particular circumstances rather than an absolute lack of democratic process and hence is a form of domestic terrorism directed at the state and its institutions, not a continuation of republican ideals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if this has been raised by comments to date, but my impression of the US independence struggle is that it was encapsulated by the catchcry, &#8216;no taxation without representation&#8217;. Taken from this view, the tyranny lay in not taxation of private property itself, but the lack of a democratic process allowing for citizens to set a level appropriate to their needs.</p>
<p>In effect, the colonists felt their local legislatures (or their delegates to London) should set American tax powers and it was this that gave rise to the charge of tyranny against the King.</p>
<p>Flying a plane into the IRS does on its face appear to be frustration by an individual with their particular circumstances rather than an absolute lack of democratic process and hence is a form of domestic terrorism directed at the state and its institutions, not a continuation of republican ideals.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinclair and CL

it&#039;s only the 3rd or 4th time i&#039;ve commented on this site. Must be another Norman. Not boring CL, more like childish, like a socialist. We know what right-wing socialists are don&#039;t we?

And JC, i&#039;m not arguing with your criticism of the Left, merely why is a libertarian partisan. It&#039;s an oxymoron surely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinclair and CL</p>
<p>it&#8217;s only the 3rd or 4th time i&#8217;ve commented on this site. Must be another Norman. Not boring CL, more like childish, like a socialist. We know what right-wing socialists are don&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>And JC, i&#8217;m not arguing with your criticism of the Left, merely why is a libertarian partisan. It&#8217;s an oxymoron surely.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sinclair Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_mandela#Anti-apartheid_activities&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;For the bleeding hearts at LP.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_mandela#Anti-apartheid_activities" rel="nofollow">For the bleeding hearts at LP.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’d politely suggest that if you mob had to fend for yourself without the support of the middle-class world you inhabit you wouldn’t last a week.&lt;/i&gt;
.
I gave that up when I was 19.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’d politely suggest that if you mob had to fend for yourself without the support of the middle-class world you inhabit you wouldn’t last a week.</i><br />
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I gave that up when I was 19.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we have a workable set of rules to decide when violence is justified and when it is not?

Popper made a stab at some rules in the chapter on revolution in The Open Society.

(1) Democracy cannot be fully characterized as the rule of the majority, although the institution of general elections is most important...the powers of the rulers must be limited; and the criterion of a democracy is this: In a democracy, the government—can be dismissed by the ruled without bloodshed. Thus if the men in power do not safeguard those institutions which secure to the minority the possibility of working for a peaceful change, then their rule is a tyranny.

(2) We need only distinguish between two forms of government, viz. such as possess institutions of this kind, and all others; i.e. democracies and tyrannies.

(3) A consistent democratic constitution should exclude only one type of change in the legal system, namely a change which would endanger its democratic character.

4) In a democracy, the full protection of minorities should not extend to those who violate the law, and especially not to those who incite others to the violent overthrow of the democracy.

(5) A policy of framing institutions to safeguard democracy must always proceed on the assumption that there may be antidemocratic tendencies latent among the ruled as well as among the rulers.

(6) If democracy is destroyed, all rights are destroyed. Even if certain economic advantages enjoyed by the ruled should persist, they would persist only on sufferance.

(7) Democracy provides an invaluable battle-ground for any reasonable reform, since it permits reform without violence. But if the preservation of democracy is not made the first consideration in any particular battle fought out on this battle-ground, then the latent anti-democratic tendencies which are always present may bring about a breakdown of democracy.

http://www.the-rathouse.com/OpenSocietyOnLIne/Chapter19-2-TheSocialRevolution.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we have a workable set of rules to decide when violence is justified and when it is not?</p>
<p>Popper made a stab at some rules in the chapter on revolution in The Open Society.</p>
<p>(1) Democracy cannot be fully characterized as the rule of the majority, although the institution of general elections is most important&#8230;the powers of the rulers must be limited; and the criterion of a democracy is this: In a democracy, the government—can be dismissed by the ruled without bloodshed. Thus if the men in power do not safeguard those institutions which secure to the minority the possibility of working for a peaceful change, then their rule is a tyranny.</p>
<p>(2) We need only distinguish between two forms of government, viz. such as possess institutions of this kind, and all others; i.e. democracies and tyrannies.</p>
<p>(3) A consistent democratic constitution should exclude only one type of change in the legal system, namely a change which would endanger its democratic character.</p>
<p>4) In a democracy, the full protection of minorities should not extend to those who violate the law, and especially not to those who incite others to the violent overthrow of the democracy.</p>
<p>(5) A policy of framing institutions to safeguard democracy must always proceed on the assumption that there may be antidemocratic tendencies latent among the ruled as well as among the rulers.</p>
<p>(6) If democracy is destroyed, all rights are destroyed. Even if certain economic advantages enjoyed by the ruled should persist, they would persist only on sufferance.</p>
<p>(7) Democracy provides an invaluable battle-ground for any reasonable reform, since it permits reform without violence. But if the preservation of democracy is not made the first consideration in any particular battle fought out on this battle-ground, then the latent anti-democratic tendencies which are always present may bring about a breakdown of democracy.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.the-rathouse.com/OpenSocietyOnLIne/Chapter19-2-TheSocialRevolution.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.the-rathouse.com/OpenSocietyOnLIne/Chapter19-2-TheSocialRevolution.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;CL, you’re one boring person to read.&lt;/i&gt;

hhhahhaha But Norm still reads him though. Can&#039;t be too boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>CL, you’re one boring person to read.</i></p>
<p>hhhahhaha But Norm still reads him though. Can&#8217;t be too boring.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and there&#039;s the rub. We happen to have left-of-centre governments in those great Anglophone nations which commentators conventionally discuss and analyse: here, the US and the UK. When it was Howard and Bush, the criticisms of their policy at Catallaxy were made on a daily basis. And I have yet to read one positive comment about David Cameron - who, by common consent, is Gordo Lite. We&#039;re seeing a kind of emotional crackup on the left at the moment because the heady, gullible days of &quot;Kevin-07&quot; and &quot;Yes, We Can&quot; have come to a screeching, catastrophic halt. As has global warming - which is now an international joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and there&#8217;s the rub. We happen to have left-of-centre governments in those great Anglophone nations which commentators conventionally discuss and analyse: here, the US and the UK. When it was Howard and Bush, the criticisms of their policy at Catallaxy were made on a daily basis. And I have yet to read one positive comment about David Cameron &#8211; who, by common consent, is Gordo Lite. We&#8217;re seeing a kind of emotional crackup on the left at the moment because the heady, gullible days of &#8220;Kevin-07&#8243; and &#8220;Yes, We Can&#8221; have come to a screeching, catastrophic halt. As has global warming &#8211; which is now an international joke.</p>
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