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	<title>Comments on: Register bicycles &#8211; license riders</title>
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		<title>By: Samuel J</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/01/register-bicycles-license-riders/comment-page-2/#comment-29150</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 02:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note that VECCI is now running with this debate http://www.news.com.au/business/victorian-employers-chamber-of-commerce-calls-for-bike-licenses/story-e6frfm1i-1225849400870 

The argument that most bicycle riders already have a car license is irrelevant. You need a separate motorcycle license - perhaps that should also qualify you for a bicycle permit (ie: have several grades: car, truck (which entitles use of a car), bicycle and motorcycle (which entitles you to ride a bicycle).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note that VECCI is now running with this debate <a href="http://www.news.com.au/business/victorian-employers-chamber-of-commerce-calls-for-bike-licenses/story-e6frfm1i-1225849400870" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com.au/business/victorian-employers-chamber-of-commerce-calls-for-bike-licenses/story-e6frfm1i-1225849400870</a> </p>
<p>The argument that most bicycle riders already have a car license is irrelevant. You need a separate motorcycle license &#8211; perhaps that should also qualify you for a bicycle permit (ie: have several grades: car, truck (which entitles use of a car), bicycle and motorcycle (which entitles you to ride a bicycle).</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/01/register-bicycles-license-riders/comment-page-2/#comment-23122</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following is a response to some of the comments from the post at the top of this page;

So why should cyclists enjoy the benefits of our roads without making a contribution? - This is a stupid presumption, most cyclists I know have a vehicle which they pay registration for. However this is a stupid argument, mainly because vehicle registartion costs do not go directly to road costs, and bicycles do not create a need for expenditure on roads. Most cyclists I know pay tax of some kind which in the end does contribute to the funds that pay for road costs.

Why shouldn’t cyclists have their bicycles registered (at a relatively modest cost) with a number plate? - Another stupid argument, how does a seven year old child - who obviously doesn&#039;t drive a car - pay for some form of registration given that a bike will be what they use to get around??? People who make these comments are narrow minded. Further, motorised vehicles are registered for a number of reasons, not just for the ability to &quot;nail someone for doing the wrong thing&quot;. This is a dangerous mentality tp get into.

Why shouldn’t cyclists undertake competency tests and be licensed? - I actually agree that there should be a competency test done through our education system at both primary and secondary school level. However, this shouldn&#039;t just be a focus on telling people how to ride bicycles properly it should be a &#039;road use&#039; class where students actually learn how to behave, not just how to reverse park.

I have always said that most cyclists drive cars also and therefore have the experience of both uses. However, most motorists are limited in their experience of road uses and also in their knowledge of the law. Education is the only option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following is a response to some of the comments from the post at the top of this page;</p>
<p>So why should cyclists enjoy the benefits of our roads without making a contribution? &#8211; This is a stupid presumption, most cyclists I know have a vehicle which they pay registration for. However this is a stupid argument, mainly because vehicle registartion costs do not go directly to road costs, and bicycles do not create a need for expenditure on roads. Most cyclists I know pay tax of some kind which in the end does contribute to the funds that pay for road costs.</p>
<p>Why shouldn’t cyclists have their bicycles registered (at a relatively modest cost) with a number plate? &#8211; Another stupid argument, how does a seven year old child &#8211; who obviously doesn&#8217;t drive a car &#8211; pay for some form of registration given that a bike will be what they use to get around??? People who make these comments are narrow minded. Further, motorised vehicles are registered for a number of reasons, not just for the ability to &#8220;nail someone for doing the wrong thing&#8221;. This is a dangerous mentality tp get into.</p>
<p>Why shouldn’t cyclists undertake competency tests and be licensed? &#8211; I actually agree that there should be a competency test done through our education system at both primary and secondary school level. However, this shouldn&#8217;t just be a focus on telling people how to ride bicycles properly it should be a &#8216;road use&#8217; class where students actually learn how to behave, not just how to reverse park.</p>
<p>I have always said that most cyclists drive cars also and therefore have the experience of both uses. However, most motorists are limited in their experience of road uses and also in their knowledge of the law. Education is the only option.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/01/register-bicycles-license-riders/comment-page-2/#comment-20723</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 00:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as a cyclist and cycle-commuter, I agree that there are roads and times that bikes should not be allowed and that bikes should generally share with cars and not pedestrians.  Roads with wide verges make for good cycling even with faster traffic.  

Fetishism about traffic rules needs to be put in context with safety.  Sometimes I am much safer if a break a rule.

Oh, and like most adult cyclists I have a car so I&#039;m paying for the road even when I ride my bike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as a cyclist and cycle-commuter, I agree that there are roads and times that bikes should not be allowed and that bikes should generally share with cars and not pedestrians.  Roads with wide verges make for good cycling even with faster traffic.  </p>
<p>Fetishism about traffic rules needs to be put in context with safety.  Sometimes I am much safer if a break a rule.</p>
<p>Oh, and like most adult cyclists I have a car so I&#8217;m paying for the road even when I ride my bike.</p>
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		<title>By: boy on a bike</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/01/register-bicycles-license-riders/comment-page-2/#comment-19564</link>
		<dc:creator>boy on a bike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget firecrackers. Best fun I had as a kid was throwing lots of dry leaves in the incinerator, setting them on fire and then tossing in an empty shaving cream can.

Dad used to give me all his empty pressurised cans as an incentive to rake the yard and burn the leaves.

Our street was treated to a dirty mushroom cloud of half burnt leaves every week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget firecrackers. Best fun I had as a kid was throwing lots of dry leaves in the incinerator, setting them on fire and then tossing in an empty shaving cream can.</p>
<p>Dad used to give me all his empty pressurised cans as an incentive to rake the yard and burn the leaves.</p>
<p>Our street was treated to a dirty mushroom cloud of half burnt leaves every week.</p>
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		<title>By: Yobbo</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/01/register-bicycles-license-riders/comment-page-2/#comment-19423</link>
		<dc:creator>Yobbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 04:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The speed limit is the maximum speed, not the minimum.&quot;

Regardless of what the legality of it is, the speed limit posted on most roads represents the optimal speed for allowing the most traffic without unncessary risk.

Vehicles or bicycles that go 20km/h in a 70km/h zone are a massive inconvenience to the remainder of road users and should not be allowed on major roads.

In fact such vehicles are already banned from freeways (anything that can&#039;t go 80km/h or more basically)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The speed limit is the maximum speed, not the minimum.&#8221;</p>
<p>Regardless of what the legality of it is, the speed limit posted on most roads represents the optimal speed for allowing the most traffic without unncessary risk.</p>
<p>Vehicles or bicycles that go 20km/h in a 70km/h zone are a massive inconvenience to the remainder of road users and should not be allowed on major roads.</p>
<p>In fact such vehicles are already banned from freeways (anything that can&#8217;t go 80km/h or more basically)</p>
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		<title>By: tal</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/01/register-bicycles-license-riders/comment-page-1/#comment-19347</link>
		<dc:creator>tal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard a rumour that local councils used dog registration fees for their Christmas party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard a rumour that local councils used dog registration fees for their Christmas party</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/01/register-bicycles-license-riders/comment-page-1/#comment-19344</link>
		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 00:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...he-males could also rip out the mandatory smoke alarms – no need for this wussy nanny state regulation.&lt;/i&gt;

I suggest Peter Garrett be placed in charge of this new project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;he-males could also rip out the mandatory smoke alarms – no need for this wussy nanny state regulation.</i></p>
<p>I suggest Peter Garrett be placed in charge of this new project.</p>
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		<title>By: ken n</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/01/register-bicycles-license-riders/comment-page-1/#comment-19297</link>
		<dc:creator>ken n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to have some fun on a slow day go to one of the cycling groups - aus.bicycle is a good old fashioned one - and say that helmets should be compulsory (or not, it doesn&#039;t matter which).
Abuse will rain upon your head. A good helmet war can run for months. I don&#039;t know anything else than raises so much passion. By comparison, climate change is a very limp issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to have some fun on a slow day go to one of the cycling groups &#8211; aus.bicycle is a good old fashioned one &#8211; and say that helmets should be compulsory (or not, it doesn&#8217;t matter which).<br />
Abuse will rain upon your head. A good helmet war can run for months. I don&#8217;t know anything else than raises so much passion. By comparison, climate change is a very limp issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Sinclair Davidson</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/01/register-bicycles-license-riders/comment-page-1/#comment-19295</link>
		<dc:creator>Sinclair Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My people would love me dearly. Those poor deranged souls that didn&#039;t love me - evidence of their illness - would be housed, at their own expense, in special facilities where they would be cared for.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My people would love me dearly. Those poor deranged souls that didn&#8217;t love me &#8211; evidence of their illness &#8211; would be housed, at their own expense, in special facilities where they would be cared for.  <img src='http://catallaxyfiles.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Samuel J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for dogs - that is cutting a little close to the bone and I have lifetime registration.

Sinclair Davidson as a benevolent dictator?  Yes, that could work but I worry whether the absolute power would corrupt him absolutely. But better still - a golden retriever as the dictator. That would lead to small and effective government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for dogs &#8211; that is cutting a little close to the bone and I have lifetime registration.</p>
<p>Sinclair Davidson as a benevolent dictator?  Yes, that could work but I worry whether the absolute power would corrupt him absolutely. But better still &#8211; a golden retriever as the dictator. That would lead to small and effective government.</p>
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