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		<title>By: dover_beach</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/15/the-classical-liberal-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-23534</link>
		<dc:creator>dover_beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A patronising tone doesn’t win arguments, dover.&lt;/i&gt;

You made a silly remark that suggested that &#039;neoliberalism&#039; always involved death squads, THR. And now you&#039;re pointing me to Central Asia as if that region has no history of political assassination, death squads, etc. It seems to me that the association of &#039;neoliberalism&#039; and death squads is entirely spurious. BTW, as for patronizing tone, have you ever re-read your own remarks occasionally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A patronising tone doesn’t win arguments, dover.</i></p>
<p>You made a silly remark that suggested that &#8216;neoliberalism&#8217; always involved death squads, THR. And now you&#8217;re pointing me to Central Asia as if that region has no history of political assassination, death squads, etc. It seems to me that the association of &#8216;neoliberalism&#8217; and death squads is entirely spurious. BTW, as for patronizing tone, have you ever re-read your own remarks occasionally?</p>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/15/the-classical-liberal-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-23527</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my understanding that Allende did not have a majority, he was the senior partner in a coalition that was formed on the basis of certain agreements, like no nationalisation of industry. He defied the coalition partner and pursued his own agenda, which did not have majority support. 

Acording to some reports Columbia is looking good right now, also it rates quite high on the Freedom Index. Venezuala ranks a little above the Sudan and Chad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my understanding that Allende did not have a majority, he was the senior partner in a coalition that was formed on the basis of certain agreements, like no nationalisation of industry. He defied the coalition partner and pursued his own agenda, which did not have majority support. </p>
<p>Acording to some reports Columbia is looking good right now, also it rates quite high on the Freedom Index. Venezuala ranks a little above the Sudan and Chad.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fisk</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/15/the-classical-liberal-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-23498</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Fisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. The guy is a low-IQ baboon as far as I&#039;m concerned. Here he is embracing one of his cousins:

http://specpol.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/chavez_ahmadinejad.jpg

And here is a clip of him being put back into his monkey cage by the clearly exasperated Spanish Prime Minister (it didn&#039;t work, because another low-IQ simian, this time from Nicaragua, broke loose and debased the summit even further).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Kzbo7tNLg&amp;feature=fvw 

Zero class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. The guy is a low-IQ baboon as far as I&#8217;m concerned. Here he is embracing one of his cousins:</p>
<p><a href="http://specpol.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/chavez_ahmadinejad.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://specpol.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/chavez_ahmadinejad.jpg</a></p>
<p>And here is a clip of him being put back into his monkey cage by the clearly exasperated Spanish Prime Minister (it didn&#8217;t work, because another low-IQ simian, this time from Nicaragua, broke loose and debased the summit even further).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Kzbo7tNLg&#038;feature=fvw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Kzbo7tNLg&#038;feature=fvw</a> </p>
<p>Zero class.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/15/the-classical-liberal-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-23493</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know and i actually think it&#039;s less than that. He really is fucking dense.

 Years ago when i was living in the US I met Venezuelan guy of German extraction who would spend the northern summer in the US. He had a manufacturing business making valves or some boring junk like that. The dude had around 200 employees and it was a family business. He was a really nice guy and told how he treated the employees like family.

He was so pessimistic about Chavez. I heard that he closed his business about 3 years ago and moved to the US with his family. Closed it down, not sold it, just closed it down.

Atlas really does shrug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know and i actually think it&#8217;s less than that. He really is fucking dense.</p>
<p> Years ago when i was living in the US I met Venezuelan guy of German extraction who would spend the northern summer in the US. He had a manufacturing business making valves or some boring junk like that. The dude had around 200 employees and it was a family business. He was a really nice guy and told how he treated the employees like family.</p>
<p>He was so pessimistic about Chavez. I heard that he closed his business about 3 years ago and moved to the US with his family. Closed it down, not sold it, just closed it down.</p>
<p>Atlas really does shrug.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fisk</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/15/the-classical-liberal-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-23491</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Fisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JC - Chavez&#039;s IQ is about 105, tops. He&#039;s a dullard who has no business running a moderate-sized country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JC &#8211; Chavez&#8217;s IQ is about 105, tops. He&#8217;s a dullard who has no business running a moderate-sized country.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/15/the-classical-liberal-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-23479</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Columbia is one of the countries in Sth Am you would buy into, Fisk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Columbia is one of the countries in Sth Am you would buy into, Fisk.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fisk</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/15/the-classical-liberal-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-23476</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Fisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, does anyone have any figures on Colombia&#039;s poverty rate from 2002 (when Uribe began his term) to now? Even this hostile site claims a reduction of 8% between 2002 and 2008. 

http://colombiareports.com/opinion/the-colombiamerican/6101-presidential-report-card-the-economy.html

But the reduction in violence has been particularly heartening. It&#039;s a shame that just as Colombia has moved towards peace, Venezuela has become the murder capital of Latin America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, does anyone have any figures on Colombia&#8217;s poverty rate from 2002 (when Uribe began his term) to now? Even this hostile site claims a reduction of 8% between 2002 and 2008. </p>
<p><a href="http://colombiareports.com/opinion/the-colombiamerican/6101-presidential-report-card-the-economy.html" rel="nofollow">http://colombiareports.com/opinion/the-colombiamerican/6101-presidential-report-card-the-economy.html</a></p>
<p>But the reduction in violence has been particularly heartening. It&#8217;s a shame that just as Colombia has moved towards peace, Venezuela has become the murder capital of Latin America.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It wasn’t directly said, but it was hinted at.&lt;/i&gt;

It wasn&#039;t a coup at all. It was demanded by the Chilean supreme court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It wasn’t directly said, but it was hinted at.</i></p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t a coup at all. It was demanded by the Chilean supreme court.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fisk</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/15/the-classical-liberal-agenda/comment-page-2/#comment-23472</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Fisk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see if this gets past the mod:

Net oil exports in 1999 (http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Venezuela/Oil.html) were over 2.5 million barrels/day. Let’s say the average crude oil price in 1999 was around $15 per barrel. This means they received at least $14 billion of oil revenue in 1999. In 2005, net oil exports were around 2.2 million b/d, and prices averaged around $50. Which means Chavez was getting about $40 billion of oil export revenue in 2005.

So, that’s an extra $26 billion per year / 26 million people in 2005, or $1,000 per person per year. This equalled about 30% of the average income in 2005 (http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/1206). So a country that enjoyed an economic rent windfall that could have increased incomes by 30%, achieved a very modest reduction in poverty over the same period. And now that oil prices have come back down again the economy is collapsing. It’s a bust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see if this gets past the mod:</p>
<p>Net oil exports in 1999 (<a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Venezuela/Oil.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Venezuela/Oil.html</a>) were over 2.5 million barrels/day. Let’s say the average crude oil price in 1999 was around $15 per barrel. This means they received at least $14 billion of oil revenue in 1999. In 2005, net oil exports were around 2.2 million b/d, and prices averaged around $50. Which means Chavez was getting about $40 billion of oil export revenue in 2005.</p>
<p>So, that’s an extra $26 billion per year / 26 million people in 2005, or $1,000 per person per year. This equalled about 30% of the average income in 2005 (<a href="http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/1206" rel="nofollow">http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/1206</a>). So a country that enjoyed an economic rent windfall that could have increased incomes by 30%, achieved a very modest reduction in poverty over the same period. And now that oil prices have come back down again the economy is collapsing. It’s a bust.</p>
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		<title>By: Semi Regular Libertarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Semi Regular Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was turning sour. The legislature requested his removal after he suspended legislative authority and judicial independence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende

&quot;Allende established a Marxist regime in Chile.[2]  His economic policy resulted in inflation  hich exceeded 300 percent a year. He adopted the policy of nationalization of industries and collectivization. His policy of collectivization resulted in expropriation  of lands and crop production dropped. Protests were held in Chile against Allende&#039;s rule.[3]  The Supreme Court criticized Allende for subordination of the judicial system to serve his own political needs and the Chamber of Deputies requested the military to restore laws in Chile. After this request by the Chamber of Deputies, General Augusto Pinochet removed Allende from office[4]  in a U.S.-backed[5]  coup d&#039;état on September 11, 1973 and this ended the Popular Unity government.[6][7]  During the air raids and ground attacks that preceded the coup, Allende gave his last speech where he vowed to stay in the presidential palace.[8]  The cause of his death was officially declared suicide.&quot;

As for the Deputies resolution:

&quot;Specifically, the Socialist Government of President Allende was accused of:

    * ruling by decree, thwarting the normal legislative system
    * refusing to enforce judicial decisions against its partisans; not carrying out sentences and judicial resolutions that contravene its objectives
    * ignoring the decrees of the independent General Comptroller&#039;s Office
    * sundry media offenses; usurping control of the National Television Network and applying ... economic pressure against those media organizations that are not unconditional supporters of the government...
    * allowing its socialist supporters to assemble armed, preventing the same by its right wing opponents
    * . . . supporting more than 1,500 illegal ‘takings’ of farms...
    * illegal repression of the El Teniente miners’ strike
    * illegally limiting emigration

Finally, the resolution condemned the creation and development of government-protected [socialist] armed groups, which . . . are headed towards a confrontation with the armed forces. President Allende&#039;s efforts to re-organize the military and the police forces were characterized as notorious attempts to use the armed and police forces for partisan ends, destroy their institutional hierarchy, and politically infiltrate their ranks[51].&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was turning sour. The legislature requested his removal after he suspended legislative authority and judicial independence:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Allende established a Marxist regime in Chile.[2]  His economic policy resulted in inflation  hich exceeded 300 percent a year. He adopted the policy of nationalization of industries and collectivization. His policy of collectivization resulted in expropriation  of lands and crop production dropped. Protests were held in Chile against Allende&#8217;s rule.[3]  The Supreme Court criticized Allende for subordination of the judicial system to serve his own political needs and the Chamber of Deputies requested the military to restore laws in Chile. After this request by the Chamber of Deputies, General Augusto Pinochet removed Allende from office[4]  in a U.S.-backed[5]  coup d&#8217;état on September 11, 1973 and this ended the Popular Unity government.[6][7]  During the air raids and ground attacks that preceded the coup, Allende gave his last speech where he vowed to stay in the presidential palace.[8]  The cause of his death was officially declared suicide.&#8221;</p>
<p>As for the Deputies resolution:</p>
<p>&#8220;Specifically, the Socialist Government of President Allende was accused of:</p>
<p>    * ruling by decree, thwarting the normal legislative system<br />
    * refusing to enforce judicial decisions against its partisans; not carrying out sentences and judicial resolutions that contravene its objectives<br />
    * ignoring the decrees of the independent General Comptroller&#8217;s Office<br />
    * sundry media offenses; usurping control of the National Television Network and applying &#8230; economic pressure against those media organizations that are not unconditional supporters of the government&#8230;<br />
    * allowing its socialist supporters to assemble armed, preventing the same by its right wing opponents<br />
    * . . . supporting more than 1,500 illegal ‘takings’ of farms&#8230;<br />
    * illegal repression of the El Teniente miners’ strike<br />
    * illegally limiting emigration</p>
<p>Finally, the resolution condemned the creation and development of government-protected [socialist] armed groups, which . . . are headed towards a confrontation with the armed forces. President Allende&#8217;s efforts to re-organize the military and the police forces were characterized as notorious attempts to use the armed and police forces for partisan ends, destroy their institutional hierarchy, and politically infiltrate their ranks[51].&#8221;</p>
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