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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rog:

I&#039;m not a sceptic, whereas you&#039;re a pathetic, poisonous little doctors wife and mostly illiterate.

go away and us all alone, you quisling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rog:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a sceptic, whereas you&#8217;re a pathetic, poisonous little doctors wife and mostly illiterate.</p>
<p>go away and us all alone, you quisling.</p>
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		<title>By: Semi Regular Libertarian</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/16/the-troubles/comment-page-2/#comment-24412</link>
		<dc:creator>Semi Regular Libertarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AGW is a cinch - 100% tax exemptions for 30 years for firms and individuals for all taxes for the extent that you are carbon neutral.

(A nuclear power plant with 95% carbon offsets and a $10 mln tax bill would pay $500 000 tax).

A farmer who offsets 100% by practising carbon sequestering sustainable agriculture would pay no tax.

A no regrets policy like this would be far better than a cap and trade or another tax.

If Penny Wong doesn&#039;t exaggerate sea level rises, we&#039;re sweet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AGW is a cinch &#8211; 100% tax exemptions for 30 years for firms and individuals for all taxes for the extent that you are carbon neutral.</p>
<p>(A nuclear power plant with 95% carbon offsets and a $10 mln tax bill would pay $500 000 tax).</p>
<p>A farmer who offsets 100% by practising carbon sequestering sustainable agriculture would pay no tax.</p>
<p>A no regrets policy like this would be far better than a cap and trade or another tax.</p>
<p>If Penny Wong doesn&#8217;t exaggerate sea level rises, we&#8217;re sweet.</p>
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		<title>By: rog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is Krosnick on the polls &lt;blockquote&gt;When respondents were asked to give their personal opinion in 2009, 75 percent said that global warming probably has been happening, and only 22 percent said probably not. “It’s really important to recognize that 75 percent is a huge majority of Americans, and 5 percent of Americans shifting is a pretty small movement,” Krosnick said.

According to Krosnick, it is important to take a long-term perspective on this and other global warming surveys. “Skeptics might look at this 5 percent dip in public opinion and conclude that Americans are finally waking up, that the critics are getting traction and that this is just the beginning of a downward trend – that 75 percent will soon drop to 50 percent, then 25 percent and eventually people will look back and say that climate change was a hoax, ” he said. “But the reality is, if the natural scientists are correct in saying that the cooler weather is just a temporary aberration, and that average temperatures will continue to rise from year to year, then this little downward trend will go away. My guess is that if warming and unstable weather increases, the public opinion numbers will bounce back up again.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is Krosnick on the polls<br />
<blockquote>When respondents were asked to give their personal opinion in 2009, 75 percent said that global warming probably has been happening, and only 22 percent said probably not. “It’s really important to recognize that 75 percent is a huge majority of Americans, and 5 percent of Americans shifting is a pretty small movement,” Krosnick said.</p>
<p>According to Krosnick, it is important to take a long-term perspective on this and other global warming surveys. “Skeptics might look at this 5 percent dip in public opinion and conclude that Americans are finally waking up, that the critics are getting traction and that this is just the beginning of a downward trend – that 75 percent will soon drop to 50 percent, then 25 percent and eventually people will look back and say that climate change was a hoax, ” he said. “But the reality is, if the natural scientists are correct in saying that the cooler weather is just a temporary aberration, and that average temperatures will continue to rise from year to year, then this little downward trend will go away. My guess is that if warming and unstable weather increases, the public opinion numbers will bounce back up again.”</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: rog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are a skeptic if you think that there is no problem now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are a skeptic if you think that there is no problem now.</p>
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		<title>By: rog</title>
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		<dc:creator>rog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Judith Curry on the other hand is a great. &quot;

Just hold that moment JC! 

She says that she has served her time in the trenches taking on skeptics like yourself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Judith Curry on the other hand is a great. &#8221;</p>
<p>Just hold that moment JC! </p>
<p>She says that she has served her time in the trenches taking on skeptics like yourself</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2010/03/16/the-troubles/comment-page-2/#comment-24369</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea I know and since the emails release his modis has become far more transparent and easy to figure.

He really is a discredit to science and it&#039;s unfortunate he seems to have a senior position in the science until now.

Judith Curry on the other hand is a great. She really presents well the case that there is a serious concern with AGW and what to do about it.

Some of the loonies take me for a sceptic because I can&#039;t stand the sight of people like Mann and Chuckie impersonator - Gavin Schmidt- However the future of climate science is with people like Judith Curry and not with &quot;the team&quot;. The team is so yesterday.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea I know and since the emails release his modis has become far more transparent and easy to figure.</p>
<p>He really is a discredit to science and it&#8217;s unfortunate he seems to have a senior position in the science until now.</p>
<p>Judith Curry on the other hand is a great. She really presents well the case that there is a serious concern with AGW and what to do about it.</p>
<p>Some of the loonies take me for a sceptic because I can&#8217;t stand the sight of people like Mann and Chuckie impersonator &#8211; Gavin Schmidt- However the future of climate science is with people like Judith Curry and not with &#8220;the team&#8221;. The team is so yesterday.</p>
<p>&#8216;</p>
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		<title>By: dover_beach</title>
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		<dc:creator>dover_beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JC, Mann is a piece of work. Really, he is the worst of a rotten bunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JC, Mann is a piece of work. Really, he is the worst of a rotten bunch.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dover:

Michael Mann sounds a truly unpleasant little person. It seems like its a common strain about the top layer of this science.

&lt;i&gt;Did you ask Judith to turn over her e-mails from the past three years? Once she does that, then she’s in a position to judge other scientists. Until she does that, she is not in a position to be talking about other scientists. Glass houses. Look, I’ll just say this. I’ve received e-mails from Judith that she would not want to be made public.&lt;/i&gt;


Fact is not all Mann&#039;s emails were made public. Fact is he&#039;s taking a swipe at Curry with the threat.

Curry ought to simply ask him to publish all her correspondence as I&#039;m sure there&#039;s nothing there and ask Mann to do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dover:</p>
<p>Michael Mann sounds a truly unpleasant little person. It seems like its a common strain about the top layer of this science.</p>
<p><i>Did you ask Judith to turn over her e-mails from the past three years? Once she does that, then she’s in a position to judge other scientists. Until she does that, she is not in a position to be talking about other scientists. Glass houses. Look, I’ll just say this. I’ve received e-mails from Judith that she would not want to be made public.</i></p>
<p>Fact is not all Mann&#8217;s emails were made public. Fact is he&#8217;s taking a swipe at Curry with the threat.</p>
<p>Curry ought to simply ask him to publish all her correspondence as I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s nothing there and ask Mann to do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: C.L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gardner&#039;s book sounds good - I&#039;ll have to check it out. Carson&#039;s name - and influence - illustrates that a treatise on the death toll wrought by environmental fundamentalists and millennarian warmenists would be very worthwhile about now. The Carson zombies and the bio-fuel brigade are responsible for far more deaths than occur in most modern wars. So far, the death toll from &quot;climate change,&quot; by way of comparison, is four insulation workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gardner&#8217;s book sounds good &#8211; I&#8217;ll have to check it out. Carson&#8217;s name &#8211; and influence &#8211; illustrates that a treatise on the death toll wrought by environmental fundamentalists and millennarian warmenists would be very worthwhile about now. The Carson zombies and the bio-fuel brigade are responsible for far more deaths than occur in most modern wars. So far, the death toll from &#8220;climate change,&#8221; by way of comparison, is four insulation workers.</p>
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		<title>By: dover_beach</title>
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		<dc:creator>dover_beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem for the likes of Tom N is that &#039;the Troubles&#039; are beginning to occur within the discipline itself:

http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2010/03/curry-vs-mann-in-discover.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem for the likes of Tom N is that &#8216;the Troubles&#8217; are beginning to occur within the discipline itself:</p>
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