Over at Troppo they were excited by a report from the US which suggested that a large proportion of Republican voters have really silly ideas, indeed they are practically insane. Interesting to read that this result came from a survey commissioned by Daily Kos and they have now admitted that the survey results are bogus. They were “defrauded” by the agency!
[Update: I've added the link to Troppo. Sinc]
I’m shocked Kos is suing the pollster as i would have thought kos and his readers wouldn’t have battered an eyelid with such a result.
JC
30 Jun 10 at 11:12 pm
The Troppo reference deserves a hyperlink.
TerjeP (say Taya)
1 Jul 10 at 7:06 am
Troppo have had several posts which amount to declarations that
“Republicans are crazy”
“White Southerners are crazy”
etc.
Sadly, these were not ironic or tongue-in-cheek as you might hope but deadly serious. You can’t expect to make a blanket statement of prejudice like that and be taken seriously. After seeing that ignorant junk I stopped visiting troppo.
daddy dave
1 Jul 10 at 9:21 am
Kos may be upset about the survey results, but it depends on how much they kept the researchers at ‘arms length’. If you meddle too much in commissioned research it’s possible to distort the findings.
daddy dave
1 Jul 10 at 9:24 am
Nick Gruen has really made Troppo into a bit of a bore. Aside from the Republican posts, there are the whole repostings of Krugman, Web 2.0 and chess puzzles.
Don Arthur is always good value. He usually doesn’t take a line or if he does it’s always very subtle. it’s more along the lines of ‘here’s an interesting fact. discuss’. but he doesn’t post often enough.
jtfsoon
1 Jul 10 at 9:30 am
The chess puzzles are the only reason I go to troppo.
Steve Edney
1 Jul 10 at 9:42 am
Can we link to the republican post this post is talking about?
Yobbo
1 Jul 10 at 9:55 am
I hope this sane republican wins.
http://schiffforsenate.com/
.
1 Jul 10 at 10:01 am
I think it is this one.
http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/02/03/america-is-different-the-evidence/
Steve Edney
1 Jul 10 at 10:07 am
The post in question is this:
America is different: The evidence.
Other posts in a similar vein are
When nations go psychotic
and
Meanwhile, the craziness just went up a notch
daddy dave
1 Jul 10 at 10:11 am
I’ve added the link to the post above, and fixed up DD links too.
Sinclair Davidson
1 Jul 10 at 10:15 am
Geez they spout some shit at Troppo:
# GeoffRobinson said:
The European right learnt the lessons of the 1930s but the American right hasn’t had a similar experience. Remember how in Germany mainstream conservatives, Catholics and economic liberals fell in behind the Nazis, persuading themselves that social democratic economic regulation was really the moral equivalent of Nazi concentration camps. The glories of the southern conservative tradition seem to be ignored. Separation of powers and a distrust of govt reduce the danger of the far right but they can still do much damages. The disastrous fiscal policy of the Bush administration reflected the far right’s influence.
Posted on 22-Sep-09 at 9:08 am | Permalink
Fall in? Does that mean be intimidated by violence etc? Vocal opposition etc?
.
1 Jul 10 at 10:24 am
it’s become a blander yuppie version of LP, Mark
jtfsoon
1 Jul 10 at 10:26 am
don’t even start me, dot. So many errors in such a small paragraph
(btw I have a request. Can you go back to being ‘Semi Regular Libertarian’ please? or at least SRL? these catallaxy threads are often back-and-forth discussions and it’s useful to have a pronounceable name that we can refer to you by!)
daddy dave
1 Jul 10 at 10:29 am
There was far less intimidation than most here thought.
you do not have to agree with Goldhagen to understand Germans on the whole could dissent from government policies without being put into Gaol.
Gellately actualy shows in his writings that were so so few Gestapo they could not have done their job without the population’s help.
Even the Sopade papers remonstrates with Germans over their attitude to Hitler and their approval of government sponsored violence.
Butterfield, Bloomfiled & Bishop
1 Jul 10 at 10:34 am
Once more Homer gallops to the defence of Nazi honor.
Steve Edney
1 Jul 10 at 10:39 am
gosh Steve can’t read again.
just print where I defend the Nazis please.
one will suffice.
of course if you cannot than of course you will have to say you were wrong
Butterfield, Bloomfiled & Bishop
1 Jul 10 at 10:41 am
amazing
one mention of the word ‘Nazi’ and Homer digs himself a new hole
jtfsoon
1 Jul 10 at 10:45 am
“Gellately actualy shows in his writings that were so so few Gestapo they could not have done their job without the population’s help.”
Yes genius you’ve discovered what block wardens and middle level agents are.
“Even the Sopade papers remonstrates with Germans over their attitude to Hitler and their approval of government sponsored violence.”
Paticularly when opposition leads to a show trial before Friels and summary execution vis a vis piano wire hanging or sub machine gunning you down in your cell.
Dick. Head.
.
1 Jul 10 at 10:51 am
Thanks Sinc.
What can you say about this from rusted on Keynesian Fred Argy.
LP lite indeed.
http://clubtroppo.com.au/2010/06/30/outlook-for-macroeconomy/
Bring Back Don Arthur and Ken Parish.
Rafe
1 Jul 10 at 10:54 am
one mention of the word ‘Nazi’ and Homer digs himself a new hole
.
He wants to derail this thread into another argument about WWII and Germany.
daddy dave
1 Jul 10 at 10:58 am
Nick Gruen is as nutty as Kos, let’s be honest.
C.L.
1 Jul 10 at 11:08 am
no dickhead if you had actually read what the Gestapo actually did and where they got their information from you wouldn’t make such stupid and ignorant mistakes.
the problem is Catallaxians get their reading from Batman comics about Germany between the wars.
Gosh nothing from Steve yet,
Rafe when you can actualy understand the difference between a structural deficit and stimulus, the impact of the States and then what productivity is doing and hours worked you may be able to make an educated contribution until you remain a catallaxian carackpot
Butterfield, Bloomfiled & Bishop
1 Jul 10 at 11:11 am
A structural deficit – the gap between Homer’s brain and his keyboard.
Infidel Tiger
1 Jul 10 at 11:14 am
“just print where I defend the Nazis please.”
Oh I don’t know how about this.
“There was far less intimidation than most here thought.”
ie. the Nazi’s weren’t really as bad as you all think. If that is not defending the Nazi’s what is?
Steve Edney
1 Jul 10 at 11:15 am
Homer,
Strop wrecking posts again with constant references to your love of the Nazis. We know how you feel. Yea and the Gestapo were the Nazi version of Newspoll.
Buzz off.
JC
1 Jul 10 at 12:11 pm
He should get together with Bird and dicuss how the holocaust was caused by a housing shortage.
Steve Edney
1 Jul 10 at 12:15 pm
Steve,
It’s like on every thread now. the Nazis were this, they were that, they ran a tight this, they loved the Jews that..
He’s obsessed with them.
And you can see it in his scrawls ( I wouldn’t call it writing) as that’s all he wants to talk about.
JC
1 Jul 10 at 12:24 pm
And if you look at his love of authority figures it makes sense while really disturbing at the same time.
JC
1 Jul 10 at 12:25 pm
which ones, JC?
“Iron” Mark
PJ Keating
Bill Clinton
JM Keynes
Adolf Hitler
quite a diverse bunch
jtfsoon
1 Jul 10 at 12:33 pm
err Steve what else did I say about the Germans.
talk about slective quaoting in a figleaf.
however it is more likely you didn’t even read the last sentence.
you are hereby awarded the Kates award.
Keep going you might just get the golden Forrest award
Butterfield, Bloomfiled & Bishop
1 Jul 10 at 12:35 pm
keep going you might just get the golden Forrest award
what’s this Homes? something to do with going down on blondes?
jtfsoon
1 Jul 10 at 12:39 pm
He just picks one for the day, jason.
It’s the idiot’s entire modis. You make a comment that he invariably misunderstands or disagrees with in that unique, basic oppositional way of his and then suggests that Keating or Latham disagrees and how you should read Latham’s book usually referencing page 21.
JC
1 Jul 10 at 12:39 pm
You left out Possum and Mumbles, Jason.
Infidel Tiger
1 Jul 10 at 12:40 pm
ah yes only at Catallaxy where one digresses from Batman does criticism happen.
Where myth is preserved and no-one but no-one can ever read academic articles on the subject.
Ignorance is bliss
Butterfield, Bloomfiled & Bishop
1 Jul 10 at 12:41 pm
talk about slective quaoting in a figleaf.
Homer types with his nose.
dover_beach
1 Jul 10 at 12:43 pm
Snoopy only a person who had his brain cut out could say my original comment was sympathetic to the Regime.
Catallaxians would have got along fine in Nazi Germany.
They always believe black is white and say it with passion
Butterfield, Bloomfiled & Bishop
1 Jul 10 at 12:47 pm
Snoopy only a person who had his brain cut out could say my original comment was sympathetic to the Regime.
I’ve said nothing about your sympathies on this thread, Homer.
dover_beach
1 Jul 10 at 12:54 pm
Who the hell is mumbles?
JC
1 Jul 10 at 12:55 pm
You left out Possum and Mumbles…
Bond villains on the Open Thread, Tiger.
C.L.
1 Jul 10 at 1:12 pm
Snoopy I hadn’t said you had.
more evidence Catallaxians do not read
Butterfield, Bloomfiled & Bishop
1 Jul 10 at 1:19 pm
“Catallaxians would have got along fine in Nazi Germany.”
I’m quite sure a bunch of civil liberty loving, loudmouth, equality before the law utilitarian economists would have been locked up.
Except according to you that would have never of happened. We would have been on contracted out work on market research from Gestapo Inc.
The Third Reich was a happy place with abundant fruit.
.
1 Jul 10 at 1:22 pm
“more evidence Catallaxians do not readmore evidence Catallaxians do not read”
You’ve read Gellately and Tooze and grossly misrepresented them.
.
1 Jul 10 at 1:24 pm
Snoopy I hadn’t said you had.
Then why address the comment to me?
dover_beach
1 Jul 10 at 1:45 pm
Another successful derailment
Yobbo
2 Jul 10 at 1:52 am
BBB’s masters will be pleased
daddy dave
2 Jul 10 at 9:58 am
[...] At Catallaxy, Rafe pings Club Troppo for getting "excited by a report from the US which suggested that a large proportion of Republican voters have really silly ideas, indeed they are practically insane. Interesting to read that this result came from a survey commissioned by Daily Kos and they have now admitted that the survey results are bogus." [...]
Club Troppo » Lies, damned lies and opinion polls — the Daily Kos controversy
2 Jul 10 at 9:31 pm
Thanks for the trackback heads-up, Don.
Why did you delete my comment about the systemic nuttiness in the Democrat Party?
C.L.
3 Jul 10 at 6:43 pm