Open Forum July, 17 2010

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  1. C.L.

    The humiliation continues:

    JournoList Obama zombie who fantasised about watching Rush Limbaugh choke to death (with an attention to detail that evokes Steve), apologises.

  2. Oh yes, CL, they all roll around the floor killing themselves laughing at her remark.

    “Racist goon.” What’ll it be – three hail mary’s for that?

  3. Tillman

    Laugh out loud at the unstoppable political force that is the Congressional Tea Party Caucus.

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/bachmanns-tea-party-caucus-stumbles-out-of-the-gate.php?ref=fpa

  4. C.L.

    “…they all roll around the floor killing themselves laughing at her remark.”

    They do? Did you get that from your Abbott/adultery file, Steve? Or maybe from you “doesn’t matter” ethics notes.

  5. AJ

    The Journolist thing is nonsense. Do you think if someone went through catallaxy’s comments and cherry picked quotes that they couldn’t make anyone who posted here look like a raving lunatic?

  6. Well that was a weirdly pointless comment. CL.

    For the record, my comment re Abbott was tongue in cheek, and acknowledged as such in the post.

    Your excuse for calling Sherrold a “racist goon” – a matter even Breitbart stepped back from – will presumably be “well she was racist – 23 years ago.”

    Which would make as much moral sense as you calling a reformed alcoholic you met today a drunkard. Or a nun who used to sleep around a bit before she found God a slut.

  7. C.L.

    “…my comment re Abbott was tongue in cheek…”

    Of course it was, Steve. That’s always your excuse. I think you used the same line about Lord Monckton’s congenitally deformed eyeballs – a disability you found hilarious.

    As for weird, your references to hail marys and nuns put you in the Phil category of looniness.

    Your claim that Bretbart has backed down, incidentally, is a lie:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/40117.html

    But that’s what you do.

    “Doesn’t Matter.”

  8. C.L.

    Well, let’s improve your analogy for veracity’s sake, AJ. Let’s imagine that Catallaxy was a private site wherein Laurie Oakes, Kerry O’Brien, Tony Jones and tens of other avowedly left-wing journalists called miners Nazis, fantasised about Alan Jones choking to death, advocated the shutting down of Andrew Bolt’s website and colluded to smear Janet Albrechtsen and Tim Blair as racists in order to boost the Labor Party. Would that be newsworthy, do you think? Frighteningly, I suspect your answer is no.

  9. dover_beach

    The Journolist thing is nonsense. Do you think if someone went through catallaxy’s comments and cherry picked quotes that they couldn’t make anyone who posted here look like a raving lunatic?

    The Climate-gate defense.

  10. CL, Breitbart claimed to the NYT that it was about the audience’s reaction to a comments that he ran out of context, not about her personally.

    I see from your link now that he’s suggesting that she “has not gotten over black and white”.

    He’s digging himself a deeper hole. That you support him on this is pathetic.

  11. AJ

    “Would that be newsworthy, do you think? Frighteningly, I suspect your answer is no.”

    In so far as it was just blowing off steam, you’re right, I wouldn’t. There is a difference between people shooting off their mouths (or in this case keyboards) when they believe they are in private, with like-minded people and a conspiracy.

  12. JC

    He’s digging himself a deeper hole. That you support him on this is pathetic.

    Steve, pathetic is someone going on about a middle aged man in speedos .. for weeks on end.

    That’s you.

  13. JC

    AJ

    Stop being a turkey. They were conspiring to keep the worst racist elements of this current president off the front page and attempt to brand those that did as racist.

    Nothing illegal in what they did, however it is news these people are total scumbags. But of course you’re just doing a Stg. Schultz imitation… nothing there folks lets move on.

  14. Infidel Tiger

    Steve’s just trolling now. His latest obsession is C.L. who steve has previously admitted to thinking about constantly. Whackjob.

  15. Boys, I heard the school bell ring. Toddle off to class now.

  16. JC

    Yea, Steve’s now obsessed with CL. He can’t stop talking about him. Loves him.

    It’s kind of sweet seeing Steve get these crushes on straight guys.

  17. jtfsoon

    Bird delivers a lecture on physics. His works will soon outsell Richard Fenyman’s ‘Six easy pieces’

    1. I already knew the theory. So what was the point of restating it? What a dumb cunt.

    2. The statement is wrong.

    3. There is no evidence for this statement.

    4. The statement contradicts the basic nature of reality. Since space having no shape, its shape cannot be changed. You cannot compress, stretch or warp anything without shape. Only objects can be stretched, compressed or warped.

    5. Even if space could be distored in this fantasy, it would in no way create the movement shown.

    6. Its double dipping. We know gravity is a FORCE. Not a distortion of space. And this idiot is such a stupid cunt, he couldn’t figure that out even though he is right now feeling the force between his ass and his chair, without any space between them to distort.

    Public sector science is just a scandal of brazen irrationality. I don’t think one person in a thousand knows what a disgraceful racket socialist science is. How committed to irrationality these guys are. And most of all their hatred of the scientific method. Thats what really burns me up. These complete cunts just hate the scientific method. Nothing they hate more than the scientific method.

  18. JC

    These people a re fucking nuts. They really are cult lunatics.

    Look at this idiot getting thrown around while he’s screaming at Gillard about Gaia. They’re all mental cases.

    Frankly even the most devout AQ islamists are saner than these loons.

  19. Is everything coming up in italics on everyone else’s computer?

  20. JC

    If you watch him carefully 1/2 way through when he’s thrown to the ground you’ll see he’s like almost in a trance like state.

    Some of the people in Jim Jones cult had the same sort of expression on their faces when you look up old clips or pics. Charles Manson had the same expression.

    These people really are mental.

  21. JC

    No Steve, that’s just your queer line of vision.

  22. It’s in italics in the open forum does this have something to do with an HTML gaff?

  23. Hey, CL, you can do a little dance in celebration: I think Gillard’s citizen’s assembly idea sounds a ridiculous idea, and she will deserve all the pillorying she gets over it.

    Now you can go back to calling women prostitutes, racists and sluts. OK?

  24. JC

    Is it Cl’s eyes you’re imagining, Steve? … all the time? While he’s wearing speedos.

  25. Shorter JC: leave CL alone. He’s indefensible half the time, but I don’t like you pointing it out to him.

  26. JC

    Yea that’s right. Leave him alone and get over your obsession.

  27. Fleeced

    Yeah, JC keeps forgetting to close his tags properly.

    Though I thought WP automagically closed those off after each comment… so possibly something that could be fixed with templates?

  28. C.L.

    Steve, the woman who admitted to disliking whites was and is a racist. Clinton loyalist Dick Morris compared her to Jeremiah Wright yesterday. I called the woman who murdered 40 people in Moscow a bomber slut. I stand by that description. In one of the most weird comments I’ve ever seen (that’s saying something), you said she was in a “clean dress” with “her husband’s arms about her.” A proper lady. I described the woman who thinks she deserves to be a millionaire because she slept with Mel Gibson a few times as a prostitute – which, effectively, she is.

    Now, have you laughed at any other people with congenital disabilities today? Excluding yourself, of course.

  29. AJ

    “Stop being a turkey. They were conspiring to keep the worst racist elements of this current president off the front page and attempt to brand those that did as racist.”

    Except a couple of big names like Krugman, they were mostly leftwing bloggers and columnists for magazines like Mother Jones.

    To say they were conspiring to cover something up or direct media coverage is like saying people here were conspiring to stop financial reform because they complained about Obama.

  30. C.L.

    Tiger, were we too harsh on Briggs?

    Green: He was legitimately hurt.

    Re the betting plunges, it seems to me they might not have been driven by knowledge of a dive but by leaked knowledge of his health prior to the fight.

  31. jtfsoon

    If Green knews about the seriousness of Briggs’ condition as some have suggested, it makes his dummy spit on the night look a little ungenerous arse-covering.

  32. JC

    “Except a couple of big names like Krugman, they were mostly leftwing bloggers and columnists for magazines like Mother Jones.”

    Like the producer at NPR having a neo-porn like orgasm at the thought of Rush dying in agony in front of the her or the UCLA “law professor” wanting to take away Fox’s broadcasting license unaware that is no such thing as a license in the US.

    innocent conversation by little people, that’s all. Nothing to see here folks.

  33. BirdLab

    Looks to me like the fight was a scam.

  34. jtfsoon

    wasn’t the losing betters’ money refunded? how is it a scam?

  35. Oh I see, I have to draw diagrams for you.

    The reference to her dress was to cover all possible meanings of the word slut, which can mean (in a usage rarely seen now) “dirty, unkempt”. Hence, she was wearing a clean dress, with her husband; nothing dishevelled or unclean about the scene at all.

    It was never a case of defending her honor. It was all about you making a strangely inappropriate mistake in use of language, and then never admitting it.

    As for Sherrod: I see that several right wing identities in the US are calling for Breitbart to apologise to her. Others are maintaining silence. Only a few twits are stupid enough to be coming out and saying that playing an editted video that causes is nothing to be embarrassed about.

    But like I said, your tactics and Breitbarts are too close for you to admit he has made a mistake.

  36. C.L.

    “…they were mostly leftwing bloggers and columnists for magazines like Mother Jones.”

    Really?

    Members included:

    George Weigel of the Washington Post, Ezra Klein of the Washington Post and Newsweek, Alec McGillis of the Washington Post, Joe Klein of TIME magazine, Spencer Ackerman of The Washington Independent, Michael Tomasky of The Guardian, UCLA law professor Jonathan Zasloff, Sarah Spitz of NPO, Ben Adler of Politico, Eric Alterman of The Nation, Dean Baker The American Prospect, Josh Bearman of L.A. Weekly, Jonathan Chait of The New Republic, Joe Conason of the New York Observer, Ryan Donmoyer of Bloomberg News, David Greenberg of Slate, Luke Mitchell of Harper’s, Thomas Schaller of the Baltimore Sun, Michael Scherer of TIME magazine, Ben Smith of Politico, Jeffrey Toobin of CNN, Avi Zenilman of Politico – amongst others.

    Only one – Jonathan Stein – wrote for Mother Jones.

  37. jtfsoon

    anyway this is just another nail in the coffin for Australian boxing, with UFC nipping at its heels. Quite sad considering interest in it at amateur and fitness levels is at quite healthy levels.

  38. Fleeced

    The betting plunge is unsurprising since so many people apparently knew how messed up he was… and NSW rejecting the fight was a bit of a clue, too.

    Green is a deadbeat – his rant was over the top, and I don’t find it that credible he was unaware Briggs was in poor shape – even if he didn’t appreciate the full extent. He’s as pathetic as Mundine.

  39. Infidel Tiger

    C.L. & Jason – It seems they have knowingly let a severely brain damaged man fight. Someone needs their arse kicked and Green’s should be first. Without doubt he would have known he was fighting a retard.

  40. C.L.

    “…she was wearing a clean dress, with her husband; nothing dishevelled or unclean about the scene at all.”

    Except for a couple of things. See if you can pick them, Steve.

  41. C.L.

    Yeah, you’re right. Green is the scumbag in this farce – any way you look at it.

  42. Tillman

    “Clinton loyalist Dick Morris compared her to Jeremiah Wright yesterday”

    hahahahahahahahaha well that settles it.

    First time I’ve ever seen Dick Morris described as a “loyalist”.

  43. So a woman holding a pistol makes “slut” an appropriate adjective for her? I see; I’ll pass that on to the police force.

  44. JC

    “First time I’ve ever seen Dick Morris described as a “loyalist”.”

    Wasn’t Dick caught is a foot fetish scandal?

    That sentence just doesn’t sound right at all.

  45. C.L.

    You do that, Steve. Cough up the pics you’ve secretly snapped of Abbott’s Speedo bulge while you’re at it.

  46. JC

    “So a woman holding a pistol makes “slut” an appropriate adjective for her?”

    Of course not, Steve. It’s ill mannered to refer to a Islamic loon in those words.

  47. BirdLab

    Morris turned against the Clintons JC, after he was sacked when it was revealed that he was letting prostitutes listen-in to his phone calls with the Big Dog.

    But he’s a pretty strange character in any case.

  48. The diversionary speedos appear yet again.

  49. C.L.

    Another day, another Democrat charged.

  50. Protesters disrupt Julia Gillard’s climate policy speech

    http://www.news.com.au/features/federal-election/julia-gillard-to-hand-over-climate-policy-to-citizens-assembly/story-e6frfllr-1225895870006

    Ms Gillard’s plan focused on creating a 150-strong “citizens’ assembly” of rank-and-file Australians to decide the fate of Labor’s climate change measures – specifically the emissions trading scheme, which would set a cap on pollution and then tax businesses which exceeded that limit.

    How dumb is that. A bunch of regular citizens to determine climate change policy. Gee, why bother with politicians, just have another hug in to determine the way forward. That’s a policy?! No, it is stupidity.

    Another spin move by Labor. Citizens chose the policy, don’t blame us!

  51. C.L.

    “…he’s a pretty strange character in any case.”

    Like anyone in the Clinton-Gore administration would have noticed. This is a duo that has, respectively, given their names to a medical condition for a bent penis and the phenomenon of being a “sex poodle.”

  52. JC

    Oh yea that’s right. He had (in steve’s language) ladies he was paying for, listening in to his conversations with Bill while he was drooling over their feet in stockings I think. He had a foot fetish.

    (I love the deviations of the human mind).

    I like Morris though. He just brushed all this aside and got with his new career of hacking into the Clintons straight after.

    The funniest thing I read was that he was advising Bill once when he was still governor of Arkansas, aspiring to the presidency.

    Dick and Bill had some sort of angry disagreement, they got into a fight and Hillary had to stop it while they were rolling on the floor trying to hit each other.

  53. dover_beach

    Steve from B:

    “So a woman holding a pistol makes “slut” an appropriate adjective for her? I see; I’ll pass that on to the police force.”

    I seriously can’t believe you’re persisting with this, Steve from B, but wiki suggests common usage is not limited to woman who are sexually promiscuous but also includes women of low character:

    The accepted denotative meaning is a sexually promiscuous woman[4] or “a woman of a low or loose character; a bold or impudent girl; a hussy, jade.”[5] These definitions identify a slut as a person of low character — a person who lacks the ability or chooses not to exercise a power of discernment to order their affairs…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slut#Common_usages

    A woman that murders 40 innocent civilians satisfies the broad definition of ‘slut’ even if she’s in “clean dress” or wasn’t sexually promiscuous.

    Will you now surrender on this secondary front? Probably not.

  54. JC

    Like anyone in the Clinton-Gore administration would have noticed.

    Yea of course. That’s what I should have said.

    Bill only fired him because the stuff got out that Dick was allowing ladies to listen in. Not that he minded so much. It just didn’t look right in public.

    The foot fetish thingi and the ladies was nothing.

  55. JC

    oops I mised this

    “Dick and Bill had some sort of angry disagreement, they got into a fight and Hillary had to stop it while they were rolling on the floor trying to hit each other”.

    Dick and Bill were passionate about their political beliefs.

  56. jtfsoon

    what a strange argument

    http://www.harryrclarke.com/2010/07/22/economics-of-population-growth/#more-3225

    In addition, I think there is an optimal degree of solitude in society – too many people can be hell because the flood of messages overides the gains-from-trade.

  57. C.L.

    Dover, I get the sneaking suspicion that Steve’s very angry and embarrassed today about Julia’s laughable climate “policy” – which is part 20/20 summit, part Big Brother.*

    *The TV series.

  58. jtfsoon

    Though I have to say the rest of Harry’s piece is very good. I just think you’d have to be approaching sci-fi movie scenarios not to have solitude because of population growth

  59. JC

    Jase:

    I young Harold’s (language of economics) riff raff are an externality.

    He just loves the word. In fact if he could get the word into every sentence he would.

    I haven’t been over to that strange and wonderful site for a while now.

  60. Infidel Tiger

    which is part 20/20 summit, part Big Brother.*

    *The TV series.

    Think of the posibilities:

    Climate Idol. Climate Chef. Australia’s Next Top Climate Modeller. Climate Swap.

  61. d_b, you previously agreed with me that modern usage invariably carried the sexual connotation with it. Changed your mind now? In any event, all those secondary meanings still seem to me to imply its about sexual boldness or forthrightness. You don’t just call any “bold or impudent” girl a slut.

    Well, you and CL might. I can’t help that.

  62. JC

    Why do you think the rest of the piece is good?

    All these concerns (externalities, equity) can be addressed by pricing the externalities and taxing the capital gains asset owners (e,g. house price gains) derive – a broad conclusion myself (and many others) have been arguing for 20 years or more. Another way of putting this is to say: the better we price the environment and get rid of pure public good inefficiencies the more we can enjoy the gains-from-trade advantages of a larger population. Ditto if we are prepared to remedy equity concerns with redistributive taxes.

    In my opinion he’s throwing around a bunch of jargon and then comes to an opinion that isn’t surprising coming from him…. we must avoid large population growth.

    1800th’s England and latter 1800’s US saw enormous increases in population with little inflation and a capital to labor ratio increasing all the way through, with infrastructure taken up effortlessly.

    Population size is a function of technology, that’s all.

    Lastly it beggars credulity that a continent of our size needs to place a firm lock of population. It’s a stupid sick joke.

  63. JC

    One other thing…. He peddling capital gains taxes to shoulder the so-called burden of a population increases.

    Why on earth would you do that?

    In fact you would want the capital to labor ratio to grow unimpeded particularly when there is a population increase.

    Harry has this in reverse.

  64. dover_beach

    I agree, CL. I noticed earlier in the week that the ALP website failed to have a climate policy, which was rather strange, and now they’ve pulled this out of a hat. If you made this up people wouldn’t believe you. Also, I heard Wong (yes, Penny Wong, she still lives among us) on the radio this morning on AM defending this ‘policy’ and you could see that Abbott has completely spooked this government; they are still a complete shambles.

    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2010/s2961051.htm

  65. dover_beach

    d_b, you previously agreed with me that modern usage invariably carried the sexual connotation with it. Changed your mind now?

    I think you’re verballing me.

    In any event, all those secondary meanings still seem to me to imply its about sexual boldness or forthrightness.

    Do they? It’s quite true that the word is commonly associated with loose sexual conduct, but its certainly not limited to that; to use the word to describe a woman engaged in criminal and/or murderous conduct (activities we associate with individuals of low character) doesn’t seem, to me anyway, to stretch its meaning at all.

    You don’t just call any “bold or impudent” girl a slut. Well, you and CL might. I can’t help that.

    Well, no, but most bold and impudent women don’t murder 40 innocent civilians. If you find it inappropriate to refer to a woman that has murdered 40 civilians a ‘slut’ I certainly can’t help that either.

  66. JC

    I wonder if there’s any way of finding out if this Paul Krugman piece was written by Paul or his wife, as it’s unusually dishonest and almost child like. I’m betting that it was his wife who wrote it, not that we know anymore.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/opinion/23krugman.html?_r=1

  67. Dover Beach,

    I think this strategy will backfire on Labour. If the journos do their job they should point out that this policy prevents Labor from making a climate change stand during the election. How convenient for them. The Coalition have to put forward a policy, which Labour can attack at will, but they don’t have a policy to attack. Their approach is not a policy position, it is what should be done before you go to the polls to determine your policy position. So now we have a Labour Party that still does not have a position on climate change.

    Hunter S. Thompson once famously wrote: still not weird enough for me. If he were alive now … ..

  68. JC

    Good piece in Reason on US immigration. Stossel trots out this marvelous comment by Milt.

    That great champion of freedom Milton Friedman said Mexican immigration is a good thing—but only so long as it’s illegal. “Why? Because as long as it’s illegal for people to come, they don’t qualify for welfare and Social Security. So they migrate to job.

    God I miss Milt.

    http://reason.com/archives/2010/07/22/the-immigration-question/

  69. Infidel Tiger

    The adventures of Phil need publisihing. This is gutbusting funny:

    Graeme,

    Another lovely day travelling through the Tuscan mountains. Today was one of the longest rides out from our new base and back again a total, 180kms, it took us only 5 hours though as it was mostly down hill. The heat though was incredible!

    Our hosts had organized a five course breakfast of olive bread, olives marinated in wine, olives stuffed with olives, a quail shot under an olive tree stuffed with olive, and olive tarts topped with meringue.

    After loading up with a morning eye opener at the local deli and winery, we oiled or bikes – our host suggests that olive oil is the secret of italian cycling.

    This was one of the most picaresque days. Our hosts had orangized a thousand Gregorian Monks to line the course chanting, which assisted some of the weaker members of the group keep up as they literally could not bare the mournful tones of the chanting Gregorians.

    For lunch we stopped at Pizza Hut for all you can eat. Who would have thought they had Pizza hut here! Some of our group from the American mid west ate their first meal since we arrived, although one poor boy has still not eaten as he only eats at Domino’s!

    After my 15th slice I was beginning to feel full. Its amazing how much you can eat when you are riding so far each day. i topped it off with some olive ice cream, and got back on the bike. The poor lad who only eats at Domino’s is too weak to ride back even though it is mostly downhill, so I doubled him on my handlebars.

    So we rode through the winding hills back to our little villiage to the sounds of “Pie Jesu Domine, dona eis requiem.” One of the Gregorian monks it seems had slipped off the side of the mountain earlier in the day fainting in the heat.

    We got back in time for me to have a long bath in extra virgin olive oil. You must try this sometime Graeme its wonderful. I almost feel Italian afterwards!

    Dinner was as always lovely. Tapenade on crusty olive bread, followed by olive encrusted lamb, with roast olives. Finally an Olive crumble for desert served with more Olive icecream of course!

  70. jtfsoon

    JC
    It’s a good piece. Harry is responding to someone who thinks that popn growth automatically means lower living standards. he’s essentially saying that the infrastructure is the true constraint and there are gains from trade from having a bigger popn

  71. JC

    yea Jason, but he then pushes his own barrow and peddles for a lower population and crap about having to raise capital gain taxes. in other words he doesn’t see much benefit to it.

    Lastly there’s that weird solitude crapola written in that unique style of his.

  72. Fleeced

    That quote about illegal Mexican’s is pretty funny… it’s something that’s always puzzled me about the major parties who either have a “send them back” or “give them legal status” mentality… neither approach, implemented en masse would be that good for the US economy!

    Alas, Milt’s quote is no longer entirely true… illegals seem to be getting plenty of health-care out californee way.

  73. dover_beach

    John H, no policy is itself a policy. What the Coalition need to do is attack the moral cowardice and the intellectual dishonesty and vacuity of the ALP’s position. The Gillard government is even more insubstantive then the Rudd government which is an extraordinary achievement. And Gillard is not disappointing me, she is plumbing the depths of vacuity in ways I never thought possible.

  74. jtfsoon

    that is hilarious

    I bet it’s Tillman’s work.

  75. JC

    Yea, it has to be Tillman. Splendid take of big phil.

  76. BirdLab

    Yes, nicely done Tillman. Although judging from Tranny Phil’s latest post, I’m beginning to think he’s beginning to parody himself:

    http://graemebird.wordpress.com/2010/07/20/they-must-have-got-their-own-maffia-fractional-reserve-and-the-two-hidden-hands-behind-excess-market-consolidation/#comment-31736

  77. JC

    Lab:

    She’s always ostensibly buying cheese. I’d hate to be within 50 yards downwind of her/him on a hot Italian day.
    Cheese and meats.

  78. JC

    Anyways it’s 9.00 am Rome time. Shouldn’t our fit trannie be out on the pushbike instead of worrying what was said about him/her on the fat oaf’s blog?

    This vacation smells to high heaven and it isn’t just the cheese.

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