National Security Risk

By politicising the Abbott visit to Afghanistan Julia Gillard has endangered his life and the lives of the individuals who would provide his security. The Taliban now know Abbott will be in Afghanistan soon and can make preliminary preparations for an attack on him.

This combined with the fact that we already know she used to send her former bodyguard and subsequently low-level staffer to attend national security meetings on her behalf raises serious doubts about her judgement in this area.

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74 Responses to National Security Risk

  1. Infidel Tiger

    She really has got things arse about. This is completely pear shaped.

  2. C.L.

    Bolt has picked up on this:

    I have been unfair on Abbott. The excuse he gave was stupid, but he is forbidden to tell the truth about why precisely he turned down Gillard’s offer. Gillard in fact may have put him in further danger by leading others to conclude what the Liberals now have been forced to reveal: that Abbott only turned down Gillard’s offer of a lift because he had plans of his own. Normally this is information that the Defence Forces insists be kept secret for security reasons.

    You’re right on the Open Thread, JC. I don’t think Rudd would have done this. I don’t like the dude but I think he’s more honourable than Gillard on stuff like this.

  3. JC

    Abbott shouldn’t take this laying down from chubby arse.

    He’s got a great opening that Hockey created through Hockey’s demolition of chubby’s political grandstanding.

    Abbott ought to call a press conference and lay it all out again repeating what Hockey said because repetition in this game is a good thing and then rip a few pounds of flesh of her fat arse.

    He could even turn the jet lag thing around and screw her over by suggesting he didn’t want to let the cat out of the bag about when he was going in case he endangered lives there… not his own being of concern.

    He ought to repeat that chubby flouted security conventions by playing with security issues for political gain and then repeat how she never attended NSA meets seeing she sent her driver so she wouldn’t know how security is done.

  4. Gab

    Spot on JC. I hope he does.

    And I wonder if the MSM will beat-up on gillard about this, in the same fashion as they did with Abbott today. Probably not.

  5. JC

    From Cl’s link

    Oh lord no.

    Prime Minister Julia Gillard has admitted she would rather be in a school watching children learn to read than attending international diplomatic talks.

    Ms Gillard is attending the Asia-Europe meeting in Brussels as part of her first international trip as leader.

    Later this year she will also attend the East Asia Summit, APEC and a meeting of the G20.

    Yes Chubbs, sitting in a class room doing photo ops is more important than opening new trade opportunities.. talking to the Europeans to open their agric markets.

    Figuring out ways to diffuse the potentially looming currency war between the US and China… talking to the Japanese about engaging more in the region to stem Chinese influence in the region.

    Yep Chubb, Foreign policy is less important than sitting in a class room for photo ops.

    Can I ask… Is it wrong of me to plead with the NSW right to undo the assassination and have Rudd back?

    Would I be wrong in that?

  6. tal

    Boudicca Gillard is in charge, nothing to worry about

  7. This is stupidest thing I have read in a long time. Stupendous.

  8. JC

    Ilya

    The stupidest thing I’ve read in the long time is the stupid comment at your blog referring to Bob Brown as respected and suggesting he has more respect than Gillard or Abbott..

    ………. in Adam Bandt have the first elected Green member in the lower house, in Bob Brown a respected leader (one I would venture to suggest who is more respected than both Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott).

    Can i ask if you were snorting or inhaling when you wrote that particular bit of swill?

  9. C.L.

    This is stupidest thing I have read in a long time.

    This can’t possibly be true because your blog is choc-a-bloc with admiring references to Professor Kwiggin.

  10. Myrddin Seren

    We have to assume the Ranga-in-Chief is spinning, not emoting.

    So if she declares her raptures over early reading lessons over managing foreign relations, one possibility is their focus groups are showing KRudd’s striding the international diplomatic stage is going down like a lead balloon in the marginals. Therefore, she positions as the Anti-Rudd.

    I mean – god forbid she would express a view that hasn’t been run through Hawker Britton first.

    This is looking more and more like a comic book every day.

  11. The troll formerly known as Tom N.

    YEAH RIGHT

    Good to see that Sincs and the Catallaxy crew are maintaining the rage on The Big Issues. The truth is that “surprise” visits to Afghanistan, the Upper Volta, or where-ever “our boys” happen to be fighting for truth, justice and whatever at any particular moment are simply political photo-ops which are a complete waste of time and money. This applies whether the polly in the flak jacket is John Howard, KRudd, Julia or the Mad Monk.

    Now, Julia may be guilty of playing politics over this particular incident, but Sincs’ statement that she has “endangered his [Abbott’s] life and the lives of the individuals who would provide his security” is plainly melodramatic poppycock. You guys really need to get a sense of proportion in your commentary.

    PS Illya: you should read the archives!

  12. JC

    Yea Lilly,

    Follow Tom’s advice, read the archives and you’ll see Tommy-from-the government-bureau cop a dressing down every time he shows up here and makes another stupid comment about how he’s worried the libs would remove his RDO privileges if they won government.

    (Don’t stand in between Tommy and his RDO as you likely be run over and killed as he races to the door early Thursday afternoon.)

  13. JC

    Seren

    Actually you made a good point that I alluded to as well.

    The stupidest comment we’ve seen in a while is chubby cheeks wishing out loud how she would rather be in a class room.

    Who needs to go to the circus and watch clowns when we have the ALP front bench perform.

  14. C.L.

    Wow. This appalling Gillard blunder has really got lefties embarrassed.

    Understandably.

  15. JC

    Wow. This appalling Gillard blunder has really got lefties embarrassed.

    Understandably.

    It the admissions I always like and you always know there’s going to be a “but” following the confession

    Now, Julia may be guilty of playing politics over this particular incident,

    and usually also followed with

    “Howard was worse”

    .

    Left whiners are truly insufferable.

  16. A bunch of assumptions behind this post:

    1. the fact of the invitation ïtself is “politicisation”.
    2. the fact the invitation was made (and obviously declined) was made known to the press with intent to embarrass Abbott;
    3. that the only thing Abbott could say to the attempted “politicisation” was his inane comment about jet lag;
    4. that Abbott couldn’t talk about his “set date” visit because it is (or was) very close to happening (on the way back from England, presumably.)
    5. The Taliban know or care about Tony Abbott.

    Further information on how this evolved will likely provide further light. In the meantime, take a Bex and have a good lie down, Catallaxy.

  17. The troll formerly known as Tom N.

    Q.E.D.

    Me at 11.04: “You guys really need to get a sense of proportion in your commentary.”

    C.L. eleven minutes later: “…this appalling Gillard blunder”.

    Thanks for coming!

  18. JC

    QED to you too.

    Tommy:

    No kidding but you seem agitated this evening.. Has you boss suggested you can’t take this week’s RDO?

  19. C.L.

    Don’t take my word for it, Tom.

    PM admits foreign policy not her forte.

    Ya don’t say.

    I wouldn’t have guessed from her tip-off to the Taliban that the pro-war Australian Opposition Leader is on his way to Afghanistan.

  20. Gab

    Jaysus people! Can you be more specific when referring to duck bottom’s blunders? It’s a box of Allsorts today. There’s just so many from which to choose.

  21. JC

    You’re right Gab of course.

    Trying to get Abbott killed is old hat now.

    Saying she prefers to spend time in a classroom is the new stupid.

  22. her tip-off to the Taliban

    Joe Hockey likes to frock up, does he CL?

    Even assuming for the sake of argument the absolute worst motivation and scheming from Gillard personally in all this (as you will), what would have been wrong with Abbott saying this:

    “yes, I did decline the invitation with Ms Gillard, for reasons I will detail on my return to Australia. I think the public will understand once they know the full background.” ?

    Instead, Abbott made a stupid statement which led to Hockey trying to cover for him by saying Abbott’s got a trip coming up. (And we don’t even know yet if the trip is on the return leg from England. If it is actually weeks or months away yet, then it’s no big reason for not taking the Gillard invitation, apart from Abbott not wanting to look co-operative, and there is no security issue for Abbott as well.)

  23. C.L.

    LOL:

    Gillard to be ‘feisty’ in foreign affairs.

    And here’s a shout-out for real Aussies and the “right kind of migrants”:

    She said national interest would drive relationships under her watch, but conceded her Welsh roots meant a “special connection” with Britain and “Australian white history.”

    White Power!

  24. C.L.

    A tip-off is “inside information that something is going to happen.”

    How you got Joe Hockey starkers out of that is anyone’s guess. Steve, others have charitably suggested you get it over with and come out of the closet. Imagining Hockey naked is probably the sign, brother.

  25. C.L.

    Steve, you dishonest galoot, Gillard was aware that Abbott was planning his own trip to Afghanistan and that he was booked to meet the BRITISH GOVERNMENT on the weekend in question. Perhaps with the advice of spin-maestro Bruce Hawker, she asked Abbott to accompany her to Afghanistan knowing he couldn’t go and knowing he’d be hard pressed to explain why. She has also behaved like a brainless harridan in saying that Australian troops are laughing at Tony Abbott. We’ve never seen the like of this from either side of politics in the past 20 years of military engagements. The fact is she was humiliatated in Afghanistan when, following her solemn declarations that no further men or materiel were required there, troops on the ground repudiated her to her face when they asked for a lot more of what she called “stuff.”

  26. Gab

    Steve it would do you good to carry out an honest tally of verbal blunders. If you can be honest, you’ll soon see that gillard wins quacks down. I haven’t seen anyone here refute that Abbott make a dumb comment today. But even you can see that gillard has hacked forth some beauties in the last few days. Admit it.

  27. JC

    Admit it.

    Steve begins to sweat a little thinking about Hockey naked after which he decides he’s not going to admit it.

  28. CL, my comprehension challenged friend, you said her tipoff of Abbott’s trip. It was in fact Hockey, a non frock wearing he, who announced a forthcoming Abbott trip. Nakedness never came into it, either.

    As for her alleged humiliation, it is only evident in your feverish imagination, which when it comes to Gillard,

    works like a reverse Marilyn Shepherd at her Howard hating peak.

  29. JC

    I know this is a bit arcane but there is quite an amazing “arbitrage” going on in the markets.

    The US government has been selling its Citigroup stock since May this year when it announced it was selling through a trading mandate given to Morgan stanley.

    The market has correctly understood this as positive for citi because the US government wouldn’t be selling out unless the bank was in okay shape.

    They announced a new selling program at just above 4 dollars so this large selling overhang is keeping C’s stock artificially depressed in comparison to the other banks.

    It’s trading at slightly below book value.

    The overall point is that people are taking this opportunity to load up and when the selling disappears the stock will/should shoot up.

  30. I have to admit, I’m a little puzzled at why Gillard is bring back Labor’s white australia policy at this time.

    Perhaps with an eye to a possible coalition with an Australian Branch of the BNP?

  31. C.L.

    No Steve, you intellectual midget. Gillard – GILLARD – was aware that Abbott was planning his own trip to Afghanistan and that he was booked to meet the BRITISH GOVERNMENT on the weekend in question. She phonily, dishonestly asked Abbott to accompany her to Afghanistan knowing he couldn’t go and knowing he’d be hard pressed to explain why. So she is the one who forced the revelation; she is the one playing grubby politics with national security.

    Which is hardly surprising for a woman who sent her bodyguard to NSC meetings.

    With respect to Gillard’s self-beclowning on the reinforcements question, she was humiliated at the ADF fire base when – contrary to the Hawker script – actual soldiers told her that they did in fact desperately need more men and materiel. I’m sorry, more “stuff” – as Julia called it.

    Stedman could have represented Australia with more aplomb and he would have had the added advantage (from Labor’s perspective) of packing a hair dryer.

    It is a first, though, for a modern prime minister to speak up for the White History while abroad.

  32. Boy on a bike

    Thought for the day – what if Abbott had booked his trip way before duck bum? Abbott has gone over for the annual Tory conference which he would have known about for months. He might have booked in for that six months ago – before the duck knifed the teat – and organized an afghan trip at the same time . If so, this would be a case of the duck grandstanding and trying to get in first.

  33. Gab, I’ll tell you what’s truly hilarious: when Abbott doesn’t get the message from Catallaxy as to how to react to a Gillard comment. The Australian this morning:

    TONY Abbott has welcomed Julia Gillard’s declaration that she is more comfortable on the domestic scene than meeting foreign leaders.

    The Opposition leader said he was pleased to see an end to the globe-trotting ways of her predecessor Kevin Rudd.

    For a PM who is supposed to be making so many howlers, it’s funny how the really aggro stories (and in the Murdoch tabloids) are about Abbott.

  34. Peter Patton

    Yobbo

    One thing I picked about Gillard years ago is that she is no luvvie. She is more Hanson than Hansen-Young. 😉

  35. JC

    Hi Alan, it’s steve again form Mt Kosciusko.

    For a PM who is supposed to be making so many howlers, it’s funny how the really aggro stories (and in the Murdoch tabloids) are about Abbott.

  36. Peter Patton

    jc

    What is this “hi alan”? Please explain.

  37. JC

    It’s very funny as we have all these leftwingers these days coming on here and pretending they’re right.

    Cl thinks it gone viral and I think he may very well be right.

    It refers to callers to Alan Jones pretending they’re right wing and then mouthing off some left wing platitude like…

    ” Hi alan , I’m steve. I’d just like the say I’m a liberal supporter but I don’t like the idea of Tony Abbott and what he would do to the NBN”.

    We’ve now got all these leftwingers bullshitting like that. Even Harry who publicly admitted voting Gangrenes is also doing it.

  38. Peter Patton

    Ah, got it! Concern trolling! 😉

  39. Gab

    JC is the ‘Hi Alan’ skit ‘concern’ trolling’ also?

  40. Gab

    Note to self: refresh screen before posting.

  41. The Madi

    If Sinclair Davidson had read Phillip Coorey he would not have written another inaccurate piece.

    A shame but very very typical.

    [Homer has never learned to link, so here is the Coorey article. Sinc]

  42. .

    Yeah right Homer, the diggers don’t need tanks or close air support, why don’t you ask them about that?

    Another genius who thinks that Rommel, Robert the Bruce, Caesar, etc were “wrong” for using combined arms operations.

  43. jtfsoon

    Homer

    How many Dune inspired pseudonyms do you need to go through BTW?

    You ain’t no superhero, mate.

  44. Gab

    Steve

    it’s funny how the really aggro stories (and in the Murdoch tabloids) are about Abbott.


    Why is that funny? I have read a variety of ‘aggro’ stories on Abbott originating from The Australian. Often the headline and first paragraph seem to favour Abbott, but that changes upon read the entire article.

    Are you wearing your favourite fishnet stockings again?

  45. “Funny” because your new best buddies CL (aka “Marilyn”) & JC’s analysis of how statements made by Gillard are being received by the public are so often so wildly inaccurate.

    Also funny how it almost seems like a memo has gone to the Murdoch tabloids, now that Julia formed government, to the effect “OK, got to work with Julia now. New angle: Abbott’s a dill after all.” Their coverage of Abbott has swung wildly from hoping he would form government, to being very agin him, in the space of a couple of weeks, IMHO.

  46. Mind you, there was no way he was going to avoid adverse coverage from the “jetlag” comment; but the way the tabloids then went out of their way to contact relatives of soldiers who died there was a bit over the top. See, that means I am partially agreeing with you. (I can tell it won’t last though.)

  47. Gab

    You lot were lamenting like llamas stuck in mud because your perception of the mean Murdoch media was in favour of Abbott. Now your perception informs you that the Murdoch has turned. It’s hard to make you chaps happy init?

    Are your fishnets a little too tight today?

  48. Gab

    Mind you, there was no way he was going to avoid adverse coverage from the “jetlag” comment; but the way the tabloids then went out of their way to contact relatives of soldiers who died there was a bit over the top. See, that means I am partially agreeing with you. (I can tell it won’t last though.)

    You forgot to preface that with ‘Hi Alan’

  49. Gab, I’m perfectly happy if the Murdoch tabloid press aligns generally with my view of Abbott.

    Re your repeated fishnet stocking joke: it’s called “trying too hard”.

  50. Sinclair Davidson

    His Madiness is cooling off in the slammer at the moment. I’ll let him out after a week or so.

  51. Fred Argy

    Sinclair, you are really trying too hard. Bear in mind three statements by Abbott.

    First, Abbott welcomes Gillard’s statement that she is “more comfortable in the domestic scene than meeting foreign leaders; we don’t want a Kevin 747″ (The Australian). Secondly, Abbott says he is sorry if he gave offence to the families of our troops”. Thirdly, an editorial in the Sun-Herald says there should be no security concerns “if no one knows when he is going”.

    In short, he is guilty of a moral mis-judgment. It may be hurtful but it may be forgotten in a few months.

  52. C.L.

    Steve, we’re all tired of your Hi-Allan-ism but some credit is due to you for not joining Julia in speaking up for White Power!

  53. C.L.

    Australian Defence Association slams Whitey Duck Bottom:

    “We’re the non-partisan public interest watchdog here. We’re appalled. Absolutely appalled by this,” he said.

    “Would it take the killing of an Australian politician on a visit to Afghanistan because there was an operational security breach for common sense to reassert itself?” he asked.

    Mr James said politicians had acted irresponsibly and failed to “exercise restraint” over the issue of Mr Abbott’s decision not to fly to Afghanistan with Ms Gillard.

    He pointed the finger at Labor, claiming it was more at fault for politicising the issue. But he also took a swipe at the media coverage of Mr Abbott’s decision as “just disgraceful”.

    “The original fault lies with stupid media speculation.

    “But, also, there should have been more restraint by politicians. And it hurts me to say this as a non- partisan observer, but the fault lies mainly with Labor.”

    Mr James said Mr Abbott had planned to visit Afghanistan before Ms Gillard extended her invitation and there was a longstanding convention that opposition leaders and prime ministers did not visit war zones at the same time.

    “The trip was organised by the Coalition a long time ago,” he said.

    “We can only assume Abbott rejected the invitation because it wasn’t conventional to normal planning and because the convention is that the opposition leader and the prime minister don’t visit troops at the same time unless extremely unusual circumstances prevail like the need to boost morale after a mass casualty event.

    “It’s a Westminster convention,” he said. “It’s the same in Britain, Canada and New Zealand.”

  54. For the chronologically challenged CL, who wrote:

    Gillard – GILLARD – was aware that Abbott was planning his own trip to Afghanistan and that he was booked to meet the BRITISH GOVERNMENT on the weekend in question.

    SMH reported:

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott will meet with British Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday at the UK Conservative Party’s annual conference.

    Mr Abbott will meet with Mr Cameron, who heads a minority government, late on the second day of the four-day conference in Birmingham, a spokesperson for Mr Abbott said.

    He will also meet with British Foreign Affairs Secretary William Hague and Defence Secretary Liam Fox during Tuesday and Wednesday, but will not officially address the conference.
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    Mr Abbott will return to London on Thursday, where he will meet with Bank of England governor Mervyn King.

    Meanwhile, Prime Minister Julia Gillard will arrive in Brussels on Sunday night to attend the two-day ASEM summit of European and Asian leaders.

  55. That’s probably why he said he didn’t want to be jetlagged; not “it was impossible for me to both have my prearranged meeting with Cameron and make a last minute detour into Afghanistan”

  56. JC

    Jeez louise, Steve… is there anything else to talk about other than abbott’s jet lag.

    FFS you’re boring.

    Honest to goodness if the Greens succeed in introducing euthanasia you could the prime candidate to kill off the elderly and infirm by just talking to them for an 1/2 hour. Assuming a 8 hour shift with 90 minutes break you could end up snuffing out up to 65 people a week.

    Dude, Europe is talking about having the coldest winter in 1000 years. Focus on shit like that.

  57. Gab

    Damn you JC. I wanted to see how long Steve was going to keep this up. It’s like watching someone wth OCD.

  58. C.L.

    TONY Abbott will fly to the United Kingdom this weekend to meet Prime Minister David Cameron and other senior members of Britain’s government.

    Gillard new he was booked for that and she knew he was making his own plans for Afghanistan.

    The ADA is right to condemn Gillard for her gutter tactics. She has politicised Australian troops in a way no previous party leader has for decades.

    On top of that, she was beclowned at the ADF fire base, has admitted she is incompetent on foreign affairs and her reference to “white history” was truly weird.

  59. C.L.

    Sinclair, you are really trying too hard. Bear in mind three statements by Abbott… Thirdly, an editorial in the Sun-Herald says there should be no security concerns “if no one knows when he is going”.

    ?

    Tony Abbott wrote that about himself as the ediorial writer of the Sun-Herald, Fred?

  60. Gab, you haven’t learned a couple of things yet?:

    1. CL will never, ever, admit he was wrong. It’s the real psychological problem on display at this blog. It’s my duty to point out his clear errors in the confabulating record that he would otherwise like to maintain. (Strangely, several other commenters just assume he’s right.)

    JC: the fact I open my eyes in the morning 1000 km away is enough to send psychic vibes through the air that are enough to annoy him. I have an unnatural talent in this regard.

  61. Gab

    Steve

    You do know how to count to two, yeah?

  62. Sinclair Davidson

    Steve – you’re getting smacked. best to quit while you’re ahead. 🙂

  63. C.L.

    It’s the real psychological problem on display at this blog.

    Gab, Steve spent weeks earlier in the year talking about Tony Abbott’s genitals and Speedos; he fantasised about Abbott being caught in adultery on his blog; he has invoked a naked Joe Hockey on this very thread. Apart from all that, he once famously declared that the Australian public would blame Nick Minchin for the heat in summer.

  64. C.L.

    Fred and Steve.

    Great Scott.

    Fred got lost on the way to three Abbott quotes and Steve can’t count to two.

  65. So I forgot to put a 2 in front of the second paragraph that made a second point? And got “slapped” someone who appears to be CL & JC’s very own Philomena. Yes, very embarrassing.

  66. JC

    JC: the fact I open my eyes in the morning 1000 km away is enough to send psychic vibes through the air that are enough to annoy him. I have an unnatural talent in this regard.

    Steve your exhalation of CO2 irritates me. I’m thinking here we are with a global emissions problem and there’s Steve exhaling C02 and ruining the atmosphere. And then i think to myself… why, why does “the planet” have to be subjected to this violence?

  67. Gab

    You referred to me as an acolyte yesterday. You now refer to me as a saint. Can’t wait to see the promotion you bestow on me tomorrow Steve

    What colour are your fishnets today?

  68. Um, I’ll save Gab the bother:

    Oh JC, that’s hilarious! I never knew blogs could be so amusing!

  69. Gab

    You’re sounding a tad jealous there Steve. LOL

  70. Gab

    And got “slapped” [by] someone who appears to be CL & JC’s very own Philomena. Yes, very embarrassing.

    Unless, Steve, you meant it as a reference to Sinclair?:

    Steve – you’re getting smacked. best to quit while you’re ahead 🙂

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