Open Forum: March 19, 2011

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  1. JC

    Fleeced

    For the .. are the Greens extreme poll question to receive a 50/50 split on the ABC which would probably be leaning 80/20 left, you’d have to say a poll with a more normal audience would suggest the public really think they are extreme douchbags.

    In other news Bob Brown referred to the Greens as an “Ideas bank”. Is he trying to be funny or is he that much of a lunatic?

  2. Michael Fisk

    Casey has really done a tap dance on Steve from Brisbane’s head. I knew Steve was fruity, but I had no idea what a dangerous loon he was.

    I warned you all about Steve – he is a threat to human decency and a menace to the wellbeing of children.

  3. Fleeced

    Well… I was put onto the link from the No Carbon Tax page, so that may have affected their normal lefty distribution 🙂

  4. JC

    I warned you all about Steve – he is a threat to human decency and a menace to the wellbeing of children.

    Yea, I’d go along with that. Reluctantly of course. Harsh but fair, Fisk.

    I watched a webified version of the interview with the fat kid that was on free to air last night.

    I think the kid has lawyered up as he was using words to indicate he may have. Words like “defused” and other PR-type words and PR-like sentences seem to have come right out of PR/Lawyer central.

  5. Peter Patton

    THR

    This is a bizarre, overly-long and unhinged rant, and it suggests you spend far too much time and energy building a fantasy-picture of perceived leftist enemies.

    Dude, I need not sweat a drop building any pictures when these complete bozo ponces distribute their own portraits to anyone with a net connection!

    ROFLMAO.

    http://verdanthopes.blogspot.com/2011/03/missing-link.html

  6. dover_beach

    and a menace to the wellbeing of children.

    Oh dear, here comes another post.

  7. Myrddin Seren

    Another warning about Britain’s transformation into a soft fascist state

    http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/hyper-injunctions-the-secret-misery/

    He spoke of the Hyper-injunctions in particular – in respect of a man wrongly imprisoned on an allegation of rape:

    “upon the first and second Respondents agreeing that they will make no further disclosure in respect of this matter to any third party, including in particular the media and John Hemmings MP.”

    Mr Bacon: For the benefit of the House, can my hon. Friend clarify, in case anyone did not notice? Is he saying that a court order was made prohibiting a constituent from talking to him as a Member of Parliament?

    Yes, he was!

  8. Infidel Tiger

    The saddest and the best bit in the Casey interview, was his quip about school “not lasting forever”.

  9. JC

    He’s turning out like Bird, DB. He doesn’t realize just how similar he and Bird are in lots of ways. It wouldn’t shock in the least if we hear in the next few weeks Steve and birdie ending up on the floor fighting over who’s owned by the trannie.

  10. Gabrielle

    He – whose name I shall not speak – is just getting worse with his rantings. Really he has no idea just how much his time on the Cat has kept him from going completely off his walnuts. He should thank the Cat for any remnants of sanity he may still possess.

  11. JC

    Really he has no idea just how much his time on the Cat has kept him from going completely off his walnuts. He should thank the Cat for any remnants of sanity he may still possess.

    How right you are. He should be on his freaking knees forever grateful for all the good we did. And all the ingrate is capable of is hiding behind his pathetic little blog hurling spit balls at the Cat and people here.

    Freaking ingrate.

  12. Gabrielle

    If he was honest – and we know he’s not – he would donate a large sum of money to the Cat admin for therapy sessions received here, at Dr Cat.

  13. JC

    What the fuck is it with Arabs and pointing guns in the air and shooting straight up

    those bullets come down fellas and they can make a big hole at the top of some person’s head.

  14. jtfsoon

    The people who supposedly invented algebra apparently haven’t grasped the law of gravity

  15. Gabrielle

    You know I was thinking about that today – the practice of shooting the sky (or are they trying to pop off CO2 from the air?) – and wondered how many people get hurt by the falling bullets? And if they get hurt do their friends think it originated from a sniper.

  16. jtfsoon

    British police take on the real criminals – little girls picking flowers

    http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2011/03/16/police-farce/

    Police rushed a pair of officers in a marked car to a park after two young sisters were spotted picking daffodils.

    Sienna Marengo, four, was seen picking flowers with six-year-old stepsister Olivia in Poole, Dorset. A member of the public reported them to police and two constables attended and advised the girls’ mother, Jane Errington, that she and her partner, Marc Marengo, could be arrested for criminal damage.

    The couple expressed anger at the “heavy-handed” response and accused police of wasting time.

    Errington said the officers watched the family for 20 minutes before speaking to them. She said Sienna had been left too upset to return to the public park, fearing being “taken away by the police”.

    The family had been enjoying the spring sunshine with a walk through Whitecliff Park on Sunday when the girls broke off and started to pick daffodils. Errington, who owns a property maintenance business, said: “The little ones had been riding their bikes but after a while they got bored and went to play in the daffodils.

    “I didn’t see them pick any flowers, but the next thing we knew a police patrol car pulled up and the officers in it started watching us.

    “We didn’t know what was going on and after about 20 minutes my partner started feeling very uncomfortable. Two male police officers then came up to us, saying they’d had a report of flowers being ripped up. They said we had committed a crime.

    “The little ones were really upset and started crying. It was quite frightening for them. They did have daffodils in their hands – I’d say about 20 between them – and they had been picking them up and sorting them out like children do.

    “If we’d seen it, we would have stopped them, but all it needed was for whoever complained to have approached us and made us aware. I had to explain to them that the police are friendly and it was just a mistake. I explained to them that the flowers were there for everybody and that in the future we will leave them there.

  17. Ev630

    No. Looks quite the opposite to me. But maybe I do not understand where you are coming from.

    Oil.

    In other news, media reporting from prior to the intervention showed that there were street battles with Bahraini authorities firing on crowds in the streets. It would seem to me that an intervention to restore order (and secure important resources before they moved to Iranian control) was well within the concept of the NATO-style GCC body.

    But, hey, it’s okay if France acts (with Obomba joining the coalition), but not an Arab national grouping.

  18. jtfsoon

    Bird revives one of his old posts about Goldman Sacks (not sure why)

    http://graemebird.wordpress.com/2009/12/02/rare-footage-of-joseph-cambria-and-his-goldman-sachs-homeys/

    A friend of mine had an out of the blue car accident, isn’t fully recovered, and yet thanks to the bankster homeys her employment prospects aren’t real real good. She puts up a brave face but I feel like she’s dying inside a lot of the time. And yet in all this there has not been a mea culpa from Cambria. He could get some repentance by backing down on his support for the Paulson plan and sending my friend a little bit of his vast largesse. But he would not think of either of these.

  19. JC

    And if they get hurt do their friends think it originated from a sniper.

    I certainly hope not. If a person has a gaping hole at the top of his or her scull you could sorta figure it wasn’t a sniper… you’d think, right? Or am I being for too ambitious here?

  20. Ev630

    OT, but did anyone read the Bob Brown piece on his house in the hills? The whole thing is about setting up a Greens party political shrine along the lines of that Labor tree in Queensland, the Tree of Poo or whatever they call it. Not a hint of irony as all of the wonderful historical linkages of Brown’s enchanted fairy forest home are listed in blushmaking detail.

  21. JC

    It pains Bird to see it in print whenever I suggest that Goldsack is perhaps the best most talented firm in the world.

    He hates that like a vampire hates a silver cross.

  22. JC

    yea EV, we did up thread. CL correctly referred to it as a “crappy old shack” and I made reference that the douchbag was about to light a fire diametrically in opposition to the moron’s position on “carbin” emissions.

    I can’t recall who, but someone first made mention what a hard hitting piece of journalism it was.

    Incidentally Bolt later picked up on it, but i reckon he got it here first because no one beats the Cat for cynical observations.

  23. `1

    The whole thing is about setting up a Greens party political shrine along the lines of that Labor tree in Queensland, the Tree of Poo or whatever they call it.

    It’s the tree of unknowledge I think.

    Can anyone freaking imagine the personality profile of any idiot that would visit that crappy shack because St. Bob lived there?

    FFS, you’d want to hand them over to the Taliban and tell them they said terrible things about Islam.

  24. Ev630

    Ah, I missed that. I found it all a bit creepy. The hills have eyes around Bob and his partner’s place…

  25. JC

    The whole thing is about setting up a Greens party political shrine along the lines of that Labor tree in Queensland, the Tree of Poo or whatever they call it.

    It’s the Tree of Unknowledge I think. of course like all ALP myths, it’s bullshit. There’s no such tree.

    Can anyone freaking imagine the personality profile of any idiot that would visit that crappy shack because St. Bob lived there?

    FFS, you’d want to hand them over to the Taliban and tell them they said terrible things about Islam.

  26. Ev630

    No, I’m sure it’s the Tree of Poo. Or perhaps the Load of Bollocks. THR may know.

    In other news, check out the shameless ALP public relations shit they are peddling at The Drum, mere days after Jonathan Green was exposed for no professional ethics on the Alene Composta thing:

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/45322.html

    Fucking shameless.

  27. JC

    hahahahahhahahaha look where it’s from, EV.

    Simon Banks is a government relations, campaigning and strategic communications professional and the director of Hawker Britton.

    This is what Our ABC means by promoting diversity in the opinions there.

    They have a fucking paid spruiker from ALP Inc writing a piece knee padding to the government.

    It’s truly fucking sickening.

  28. Infidel Tiger

    Bob’s Bordello could be a major Tassie tourist attraction.

    “Come stay at the world’s most boring homosexual’s home”.

    “While away the hours with a cup of Bovril and stoke the very same fire that Bob stokes every winter’s morn”.

  29. Ev630

    And what’s also sickening are the commenters who haunt the Drum. Just read the asshats who think that the recent murdering of a Jewish family was merely quid pro quo for Israeli security measures.

    Slitting the throats of children – un-fucking-believable.

  30. Ev630

    IT, it’s also where he wrote his “Letter to Luvvies” or whatever his newsletter was called. Stirring stuff in the Tassie Commune…

  31. JC

    Slitting the throats of children – un-fucking-believable.

    A 4 month old little girl whose name was Hadas and shouldn’t be forgotten.

  32. Infidel Tiger

    Aren’t things turning out beautifully in Egypt:

    http://www.theage.com.au/world/cairo-islamists-turn-on-elbaradei-20110320-1c27w.html

    One can only hope that Libya is as successful.

  33. Gabrielle

    It never ceases to amaze how the Green ALP don’t trip over their own shoelaces of hypocrisy. Remember the cows forbidden to graze in the national park because of damage to certain types of grass?

    See how these “environmentalists” have treated the land after a trip to the park to check the bovine damage. Here.

  34. dover_beach

    Ev, confronted with the murder of this family we have this instructive response by Mike:

    I choose not to engage.

    Indeed.

  35. C.L.

    Another ‘balanced’ Q&A panel tonight:

    Lefties:

    Tony Jones
    Jason Clare – Minister for Defence Materiel
    Lachlan Harris – Kevin Rudd’s former press secretary
    Christine Milne – Deputy Leader of the Greens

    Non-lefties:

    Christopher Pyne
    Miranda Devine – conservative columnist

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/

    ———————-

    Note that Devine is described as a “conservative columnist” but nutcase Catherine Deveny was never described as a “far-left columnist.”

  36. C.L.

    The gals love William.

    Rightly so. This is a very fine man, IMO.

  37. For anyone interested, Sandmonkey has an interesting breakdown of what the pro-democracy forces are up against in Egypt.

    http://www.sandmonkey.org/2011/03/20/playing-politics/

  38. dover_beach

    Excellent news. The climate skeptic, Syun-Ichi Akasofu, has been awarded the Hannes Alfvén Medal for 2011 by the European Geosciences Union. Congratulations.

    H/T- Lubos Motl.

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  40. C.L.

    The courtiers in the Bush administration…

    Well, the move against Saddam had its origins in the Clinton Administration. In 2000, Bush campaigned on an old world GOP platform of isolationism. Gore used it against him, on one occasion mocking Bush for an inability and unwillingness to wage small wars.

    As for the broader ME movement – which I’ve called the Zephyrs of Change – I still don’t see anything that causes me to upgrade its pneumatic status. It seems to be a kind of soixante-huitard flash mob actuated by no discernible – or discernibly superior – agenda.

  41. MarkL of Canberra

    Images released by the Fogel family, of their murdered relatives.

    Do NOT click the link if you have a weak stomach. The images are ghastly.

    They have been released to inform of just what the paleosimian terrorists do, the reality behind their lying words.

    As the the left and the luvvies support paleosimian terrorists, they also support and condone this sort of murder.

    Second warning. Do NOT click the link if you do not wish to see extremely graphic images.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142846

    MarkL
    Canberra

  42. CFQ

    “paleosimian”

    It’s good to see you dressed up for the internet in your best arsehat.

  43. JC

    This is the person 4corners had on dissing the nuclear power industry around the world.

    http://sydney.edu.au/arts/media_communications/staff/ricbroin/

    Richard Broinowski, LlB (Adel) Master Public Admin (Harvard) is an Adjunct Professor in the Department of Media and Communications.

    This is what passes as a nuclear expert (note the hard science credentials with the turd, Kerry O’Brien.

    Dick was busy through the program creating conspiracy theories suggesting there is a nuclear mafia (as he called it) around the world.

    they also had on a green peace activist and and Australian wild life spokesman.

    This is the sort of news we’re paying for.

  44. C.L.

    As I mentioned above, in that stenchful moral toilet – Britain – Melanie Phillips is now under investigation for describing the Fogel family’s murderers as “savages.”

    Guess where the complaint came from?

    The column… prompted two complaints to the press watchdog, one of them from Engage, a group promoting Muslim engagement in British society.

  45. C.L.

    Dick was busy through the program creating conspiracy theories suggesting there is a nuclear mafia (as he called it) around the world.

    they also had on a green peace activist and and Australian wild life spokesman.

    So the ABC continues its war on science.

  46. Tillman

    As the the left and the luvvies support paleosimian terrorists, they also support and condone this sort of murder.

    Fuck off. You are an idiot.

  47. Gabrielle

    Poor Kerry O’Brien. He was expecting John Carlson to agree with him on his fear campaign and general negativity questions about Fukushima. KOB was clearly gobsmacked when John Carlson didn’t buy into KOB’s viewpoint.

  48. Gabrielle

    One doesn’t have to stroll very far to obtain a sense of how the left feel about the Fogel family massacre.

    The comments at the end of this article shows the true colours of the left.

  49. C.L.

    Stop pretending you don’t it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0&feature=player_embedded#at=90

    “Gotta make my mind up – which seat can I take?”

    Don’t say this hasn’t given you pause.

  50. Infidel Tiger

    We have already established that Enrique Iglesias’ Tonight I’m Fucking You is the worst song in history.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdYvmVMCXIg

    The debate is over.

  51. C.L.

    Sarah Palin at the Kotel in Israel (the Western Wall).

    Featuring one the most imperious, beautiful news readers ever.

    http://viralfootage.com/?p=12760

  52. C.L.

    Good call, Tiger.

    Online photo-journo legend, Zombie, defends ‘Friday.’

    The Internet has been abuzz this week over a new music video by a heretofore unknown 13-year-old girl named Rebecca Black; her out-of-nowhere hit “Friday” has already racked up 16 million views on YouTube as of this writing, and seems to be garnering another million every couple of hours.

    Not because the song is good, but rather because it’s so bad. Or rather, “bad.” No, that’s not right either. The song is “”””bad””””.

    One needs at least four levels of ironic quotation marks to get to the bottom of the “Friday” phenomenon. Plenty of things in modern culture are simply bad and don’t get any attention. Even things that are “so-bad-they’re-funny” might draw the attention of a few sarcastic hipsters but remain relatively obscure. But “Friday” has a fan base that dwarfs even those of most serious mainstream top-40 artists.

    The cognoscenti will tell you that the listeners are only appreciating “Friday” through an ironic lens: We watch it only in order to mock it. And perhaps the cognoscenti do — but they only account for a few million of “Friday’s” views (oops — almost up to 17 million already). The other 15+ millions viewers I posit are other tweeners who appreciate “Friday” at face value — it’s catchy, upbeat and fun.

    And what’s wrong with that? I give “Friday’s” popularity my wholehearted stamp of approval:

    I think “Friday” is popular with the 10-to-14-year-old crowd specifically because its lyrics are completely innocent and unsophisticated. Kids are sick of being barraged with sexuality and violence and cynicism. At last, for the first time in a long time, a pop song for kids is not about humping or angst. Kids just want to be kids! And Rebecca Black is their new guide.

    Well said.

  53. Myrddin Seren

    Welcome Back

    “That snooty blonde chick, Laura Bingle? should be shown the door as well.

    Steve of Ferny Hills”

  54. AJ

    Is it really anyworse than a real Justin Bieber or Kesha song?

    Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FISHEO3gsM

  55. MarkL of Canberra

    Fuck off. You are an idiot.

    More delightfully sophisticated logical discourse from the luvvies. No condemnation of the murders, of course.

    MarkL
    Brisbane

  56. THR

    So, MarkL – have you stopped beating your wife yet?

  57. Ev630

    Any comment on throat-slitting of children, THR?

  58. C.L.

    The general tenor of so many comments at Gab’s link (above) is frightening:

    Navit, no-one can condone what happened to the Fogel family but…

    You get the picture.

  59. THR

    Any comment on throat-slitting of children, THR?

    Are you inviting me to comment? Or do I, and all lefties, have some obligation to do so? I notice that some here couldn’t resist the temptation to use the death of a family for a bit of cheap trolling and ‘luvvie’ baiting. I’m not inclined to play the same game.

  60. Ev630

    You response is entirely reasonable.

    I mean, if you didn’t habitually contribute shit like this:

    So, MarkL – have you stopped beating your wife yet?

  61. Ev630

    Steve of Ferny Hills…

    So it was written and so it came to pass that Steve hath returned.

  62. Gabrielle

    I agree THR. It’s shameful. Almost as shameful as the responses from the left on the massacre of a family. These responses, on may sites, typically follow the same theme:

    1. It’s really sad, but they deserved it. They’re Joos after all.
    2. Look at the poor Palestinians! Israel started all this so it’s no wonder…
    3. It didn’t happen, it’s just propaganda
    4. There were no sweets distributed in celebration in Gaza because the people there are starving
    5. There were no celebrations in the streets of Gaza, again that was propaganda.

    Has the left lost its compassion?

  63. Abu Chowdah

    Tim Blair (who I quite enjoy) writes today:

    Bookish types are especially entertaining around cars.

    Says the man who is a newspaper editor, writes a daily blog and occasionally dines with fillum luvvie and intellectual John Malkovich.

    No amount of expressing interest in cars and cricket, and a disdain for video games will change that Tim is actually the core target market for ultra faux bloke TV packaging aimed at the sedentary, book-reading middle classes. You know, shows like Top Gear.

    What was it Socrates said about the unexamined life?

  64. MarkL of Canberra

    Gab, why waste effort and respond to HRT? I don’t bother to read his racist and bigoted rants these days. My time is far too valuable to waste on something like him, too much else to do settling in to a new job and a new house.

    Your summation of what’s on most lefty sites about this appalling crime is (unfortunately) spot-on. The anti-semitism is open, and openly rancid, on far too many of those sites. But that’s the left for you: they prefer totalitarian theofascist murderers to a vibrant western liberal democracy any day of the week.

    MarkL
    Brisbane

  65. JC

    Is that really steve the conservative. He’s back already.

    Hey steve, you’re not less of idiot by changing the name plate son.

  66. C.L.

    Abu, that’s not entirely fair. Blair was brought up by a widowed mother, left school at junior level (I think), worked in a factory – before getting a cadetship the old-fashioned way. I think he went to uni for a while before deciding he didn’t need what they were teaching. By his 20s and 30s, he held fairly senior editorial positions. Moreover, I’ve read a fair few of Blair’s motoring pieces and, while his knowledge of cars is advanced, he doesn’t claim to be able to strip ’em down and build ’em etc with the proficiency to be found in bona fide bogan rev-heads in the ‘burbs.

  67. JC

    ….he doesn’t claim to be able to strip ‘em down and build ‘em etc with the proficiency to be found in bona fide bogan rev-heads in the ‘burbs.

    A friend of mine will retire in a few years time. His one ambition is to buy a 1960’s Corvette in rough condition, pull it apart and put it back together again and turn it into like new.

    If his genes are anything to go by he told me his dad used to fix all the electronics around the house and built a stereo system for the house.

  68. Gabrielle

    Jen Yamato asks:

    Why Hasn’t Hollywood Rallied for Japan Relief?

    h/t Big Hollywood

  69. pete m

    CL: all newsreaders must bow down before Melissa Theraux sp?

    THR – would it kill you to say how grossly appalling it is to murder a 4 month old girl over a little border control?

    Obama has no clue and Clinton is holding his hand. If he wasn’t in brzil he’d be shooting hoops or swinging at little white balls. This man will come to be thought of as less than Carter. History will not be kind to him.

  70. Gabrielle

    Obama..in Brazil…shooting hoops…..

    Sorry. I couldn’t help it.

  71. Gabrielle

    ok not hoops…kicking a ball.. same diff.

  72. C.L.

    For the love of God.

    First, there’s Damon Moglen, director of Friends of the Earth’s climate and energy project, ex-Greenpeace and with no nuclear science training…

    Dave Sweeney, an Australian Conservation Foundation anti-nukes activist with no qualifications in nuclear science…

    Then we get Richard Tanter, a former activist and professor of international relations whose actual qualifications are in sociology and political science (again not disclosed)…

    Richard Broinowski, a former diplomat and now Adjunct Professor in Sydney University’s Department of Media and Communications…

    But Professor Heinz Luegenbiehl is produced as a corroborating witness, and you might assume it’s because he’s a nuclear expert… But Leugenbiehl is no nuclear expert, either, nor even a doctor. His expertise is more in the philsophical line:

    – Professional ethics
    – Philosophy and technology
    – Phenomenology and Existentialism
    – Asian philosophy

    By this stage even a fan of the program’s apocapytpic message must be wondering. Why are a philosopher and a journalism lecturer talking about the medical risks – and not, say, a doctor? Why is a sociologist discussing the mechanics of a nuclear meltdown and the risks of a “dirty bomb”? Why aren’t these questions being answered instead by people expert in these very areas?

    After the report, we discovered why, when Kerry O’Brien interviewed a real expert and discovered to his evident astonishment, after all those screaming scares, that this man still had a smile on his face – because he knows the reassuring truth.

    Bolt on the Four Corners embarrassment.

    Why does the left hate science?

  73. Fleeced

    I think I have to retract my statement that “Friday” had the worst lyrics… Aside from IT’s suggestion, I realise (when I think about it) that even many popular songs are frankly shit, lyrically speaking. Friday still seems worse somehow – perhaps because the song draws attention to the lyrics – I dunno… or perhaps because the people behind it were trying to make an ironic viral hit, but the girl herself is as unwitting victim (though I’m sure she’ll be well rewarded, so perhaps “victim” isn’t quite right.)

    Maybe someone will produce a “literal version” of the clip! Oh, wait…

  74. Fleeced

    Speaking of young girls innocently exploited for music video clips, check this one from France in the 60’s:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-iysdFu_TQ

    That’s France Gall, singing “Les sucettes” – a song about, uhm, lollipops…

  75. JC

    Fleeced, you seem quite smitten with lollipop songs.
    Dude

  76. C.L.

    Julia Gillard says she’s creating ‘price signals’ that will force people to buy products with – wait for it – “less carbon pollution in them.”

    If the Opposition doesn’t sieze this opportunity for some Mike Willessee questions about which products contain such a dangerous contaminant and which don’t, they should give the game away. For example, does a tub of yoghurt contain “carbon pollution”? What about a banana? When you peel a banana, are you heating the globe? Are Queensland bananas less “polluted”? Or should banana lovers switch to watermelons or madarins?

  77. Fleeced

    lol, JC – I only posted one lollipop song! And that was in French, so it’s cool 🙂

    Apparently the singer (though 18) didn’t realise how she was being used – and her career suffered as a result… though I guess she may not have had a career without that song.

    It was one of her biggest hits, but she reportedly refuses to sing it nowadays because she’s still pissed off.

    Incidentally, I didn’t mean to imply that there was anything sexual in the Friday song either. It’s incredibly innocent by today’s standard (aside from creepy black middle-aged rapper following the school bus). I just meant that the produces were perhaps using the singer as a “joke”

  78. Abu Chowdah

    CL, Blair’s background is interesting but irrelevant to my point. He is, now, by definition, a bookish type. It’s his bread and butter. I just find it amusing.

  79. C.L.

    Most of the journos I know aren’t particularly bookish. His piece was pretty light-hearted too – the various doofus acts with cars are committed by his friends and related rather fondly. So it’s not a class warfare thesis. I think you’re getting carried away.

  80. Gabrielle

    Just what are kids being taught these “modern” times?

    “Young Australians have a simple vision,” declares the Australian Youth Climate Coalition. “We want to be able to enjoy a stable climate similar to that which our parents and grandparents enjoyed.

    Sad. They actually believe the climate was near perfect back in the olden days, like in the ’60s.

    See what effective alarmism can achieve?
    Divorced from reality.

  81. C.L.

    “WORLD EXCLUSIVE (MUST CREDIT): an intelligence operative infiltrated in Ghadaffi’s entourage has sent exclusively to Barcepundit the method that the Libyan dictator is planning to use to gather the sympathy of the world’s public opinion.”

    http://barcepundit-english.blogspot.com/2011/03/world-exclusive-must-attribute.html

  82. Fleeced

    Argh, Gab!

    Another song stuck in the head just before bedtime!

  83. Fleeced

    Maybe if I have enough other catchy songs, they’ll cancel each other out… any suggestions? Aside from Friday and the two lollipop songs, I also have this:

  84. Fleeced

    LOL… someone on chat suggested this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEe_eraFWWs

    How could I forget? This one was stuck in my head for *ages*

    It is also another great candidate for “stupidest lyrics”

  85. JC

    Julia Gillard says she’s creating ‘price signals’ that will force people to buy products with – wait for it – “less carbon pollution in them.”

    You could destroy her on that alone.

    1. Which fucking products have less carbin pollution. Name them you moron.

    2. How dare she tell us which things we ought to buy

    3. narrowing down consumer goods lowers our standard of living.

    4. Fuck you.

  86. Gabrielle

    Arrrrgh! Danced to that dumb song far too many times!

  87. JC

    Where the fuck is Hockey in all this. Has he gone to a fat farm or something? He’s nowhere to be seen while this stuff is raging red hot.

  88. Fleeced

    Josephine Hockey is too busy worrying about lack of women representation on boards of directors to worry about that stuff, JC.

  89. JC

    Abbott is really starting to irritate the shit out of me. He gets in front of camera and takes 30 minutes per word to say something with ummms and aarhs.

  90. JC

    Josephine Hockey is too busy worrying about lack of women representation on boards of directors to worry about that stuff, JC.

    He honestly deserved lippo suction without an aesthetic when i heard that swill.

    I think they lost the plot. If they let Duck Bum get away with the lies the entire party needs to be thrown out and start again.

  91. JC

    TONY Abbott will scrap tax cuts designed to compensate for the carbon tax, along with the entire carbon pricing scheme, if he wins the next election.

    Why say that? Say you’ll keep the tax cuts and scrap the tax while cutting all the wasteful spending by these loons. Never walk into an election saying you will raise taxes. It’s a fucking horrible move.

  92. JC

    And don’t cost it otherwise they start with the big black hole crap again.

  93. Gabrielle

    It’s a fucking horrible move.

    Tes and one that Gillard learnt 6 days before the last election. Hence the no carbon tax shtick.

    The Libs appear not to be taking these issues seriously.

  94. JC

    the libs need someone that is able to talk to the punters and get over the heads of leftwing press.

    I don’t think Abbott has enough verbal strength top do this.

  95. Fleeced

    I don’t think Abbott has enough verbal strength top do this.

    I think this sort of talk will doom them to opposition. He does “uhm” and “ah” a bit – and think “too much” before answering, but without him, it’s Turnbull or Hockey (or worse: both!)… make no mistake, JC – Abbott is our best hope.

  96. JC

    TONY Abbott will scrap tax cuts designed to compensate for the carbon tax, along with the entire carbon pricing scheme, if he wins the next election.

    Abbot needs to ram a red hot poker in Garnaut’s rear and shut him up for good.

    Garnaut is a fraud. He’s basically trying to graft the Henry tax review onto the carbin tax wreck tax reform.

    That’s what Abbott ought to be saying about Garnaut’s idea.

    It was only the first time this evening that i heard any lib mention Garnaut is a government paid stooge and therefore a player in all this lacking any independence. Christopher Pine said this on Q&A and shut the Garnaut angle down quickly.

    Why don’t they keep asking in public for the government to us how much they are paying Garnaut and how can he be trusted to say anything other than peddle the Green/ALP Alliance line?

    Fme they’re useless.

  97. JC

    Fleeced…

    Their economic team is a freaking shambles.

    Hockey veers off and talks about sticking quotas in for gals to get on boards. He knows shit about economics.

    Andrew Robb’s off the cuff delivery is bloody awful and you end up trying to finish sentences for him.

    Abbott is as bad an off the cuff speaker as Robb and also knows shot about economics.

  98. JC

    They need to go after Garnaut in a big way and neutralize him ASAP.

    It’s not hard.

  99. Gabrielle

    Abbott is our best hope.

    Yes he is but he needs to get more serious, needs to rein in the troops and get them all on message – especially Hockey. Abbott gets beat up by the press far more than gillard and I see this as a main reason why Abbott is more selective with his answers. Which does him no good. The meeja are going to criticise him regardless, so the best he can do is just say what the hell he really believes in and stay on message. We have Gillard et al lying through their collective teeth, giggling, being an absolute shrill in QT, and embarrassment on overseas trips, announcing a tax without details, then announcing tax cuts without details, moving the tax summit back, not including the MRRT or the Carbon (sic) tax in the talks, the asylum thing is up tish creek, etc etc etc. And Abbott does not explain things clearly, goes for the soundbite, relies too much on the slogans and is mostly on the defensive. He really does need to change his current strategies or else…

    We need more LDP people.

  100. Fleeced

    JC, some truth there… but the real truth is: the Libs would not be in the position they are in (ie, within striking distance of victory) without Abbott. Turnbull is a lefty – though excellent on Comms as long as he sticks to his portfolio. Hockey is just a douchebag (though, if removed, Turnbull with either replace him, or Robb… Doh!) In the best of worlds, ALP would have been competent enough to give Libs time to regroup… but they’re not – by a long ways!

  101. Abbott is really starting to irritate the shit out of me. He gets in front of camera and takes 30 minutes per word to say something with ummms and aarhs.

    Every time Abbott gets in front of the camera it is to whine about Labor and engage in spin lines like “it’s a con not a tax.” He could take a lesson from Hawke. I saw this long ago. Hawke made this long, eloquent but empty statement about something. A friend of mine remarked at how intelligent Hawke seemed, my friend was very impressed by Hawke’s statement. To be sure, Hawke could speak very well but in that instance he didn’t say anything. I can’t remember why but for some reason I listened very carefully and realised that Hawke was actually rambling, only doing it eloquently. Abbott needs to learn that trick.

    It is like that song Friday. People are not just listening with their ears but their emotions and visually through body language. Most lyrics are crap, even in opera music the lyrics can be crap. People respond to music for a whole variety of reasons. I don’t know what those reasons are, I don’t even understand my own tastes in music let alone others and I strongly suspect that people who do claim to have said knowledge are wankers.

    The coalition has the same musicians as Labor. Different lyrics but people are hearing the same musicians. The coalition needs to “sing” differently from Labor. But they are using the same media strategies. So for many people Labor sounds like New Order, nice sounds, stupid lyrics but the music is something you can dance too. The coalition sounds like Joy Division, sombre and filled with existential angst. Same musicians! Different singers.

  102. Fleeced

    I agree Abbott needs to crank up the aggressiveness. His tone has served him well thus far, but time to take the bull by the horns!

  103. Gabrielle

    the Libs would not be in the position they are in (ie, within striking distance of victory) without Abbott.

    Yes but they are still stuck in pre-election mode. They need to change their game.

  104. Gabrielle

    And retire Julie Bishop.

  105. JC

    Well look at this.

    Savva is reporting that Abbott again mentioned doubts on climate change after he expressly told the Libs not to do so. FFS, what is the guy doing. He has a policy for climate change and then raises doubts about it.

    WTF is he doing. He either believes in it or not. This sort of thing pisses off the punters as they see phoniness.

    He still hasn’t connected with the voters and he doesn’t have much time.

  106. Gabrielle

    John H has nailed it.

  107. JC

    I agree with all that you said about Hockey and Turnbull, Fleeced.

    I don’t think turnbull is as leftie as peopel think. He’s just a rotten manager and people end up hating him.

    Abbott needs to really lift his game understand policy and get over the heads of the press gallery to get to the punters.

  108. C.L.

    Here’s what Abbott should do:

    Buy up some time and address the nation. We don’t have a truly elected prime minister so it would be fitting (and psychologically scarring for Labor) to do so, flags and all.

    He should say that he – and everybody else – has been all over the shop on ‘climate change.’ But after Gillard’s lies, he must, for the good of the country, reject not only the carbon tax but any policy designed to ‘combat’ climate change. There is nothing we can do anyway.

    What we CAN do is restore the old 80s priority of nature conservation (mention the reef, the rivers, the fisheries etc) and preservation. Say that maintaining our environment and reducing taxes will, in the long run, produce more benefits through technology etc than any carbon tax. He should condemn the shrill abuse centering around the ‘denialist’ smear and demand its abandonment in civilised political discourse. Mention the fact that it was borrowed from the Holocaust and say that anyone who uses it is a lowlife and antagonistic to Australian freedoms.

    In other words, he needs to cut the ‘climate change’ carcass loose absolutely and talk about looking after our own backyard – Doing What’s Do-able. He needs to head off the resultant smears by delegitimising the ‘denialism’ slur and wilfully replace obsessing about ‘climate’ with a renewed emphasis on ‘our own environment.’ He must wilfully conflate and re-direct political energy from the former to the latter and identify this New Environmentalism with the Coalition, with farmers, fishermen, the tourist industry.

    Carpe fucking diem, Abbo.

  109. hc

    Great thinking CL. Just what the Liberals need:

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/carbon-plan-gives-labor-bounce-in-support/story-fn59niix-1226025750914

    Rejecting the science of climate change who mean that Abbott will do worse than he is currently doing- he would then also lose the votes of Liberals supporting AGW.

    Perhaps we could get him to make a joint appearance with Cardinal Pell and Andrew Bolt. Pell could explain to us his remarkable theory that nitrogen is a greenhouse gas – he has spent a lot of time studying these things – and Bolt could buttress Abbott’s scientific prowess with some anti Muslim or pro Palin rhetoric.

    A lunatic maddie right-wing fun fest that would delight bigoted old farts such as yourself but ensure that decent climate policies survive the next election.

  110. Myrddin Seren

    Fleeced

    Rebecca Black wasn’t well paid for her effort.

    The Parentals bought her the tune.

    Apparently no Valley Girl is complete without one these days – even of her Dad isn’t Frank Zappa.

    It’s just that this one actually took off.

  111. Peter Patton

    John

    Mentioning Abbott in the same sentence as Hawkey!? Quelle horreur! Abbott could never pull off what you described above about Hawke. At Abbott’s age, it is too late to smarten up 2 standard deviations to the right, which would be Abbott’s intelligence deficit compared to Hawkey.

  112. Rococo Liberal

    PP

    Stop wanking and get back to work

  113. Rococo Liberal

    This poll is a rogue. There is no way that the ALP’s useless selling of the carbon dioxide tax could have pleased those who stand to lose a lot from it. No one could believe that this utterly useless government would adequately compensate them for price rises.

  114. jtfsoon

    another boring Aussie film

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/is_this_how_to_make_an_australian_movie/

    Set in a coastal town, the tale involves a teenage garage band guitarist who takes charge of the local brass band while the community battles an evil property developer. The film fails in almost every conceivable regard, was pummelled by critics and presently has a 0% rating on the Rotten Tomatoes movie website. It certainly should not have been released

    What I most dislike about Australian films is they always needs to have this half clever quirky ‘cute’ idea and the whole film is premised on it. Give me a straightforward shoot-em-up anytime.

  115. JC

    I refuse to pay any money to see an Australian movie. They’re awful.

  116. jtfsoon

    oh and Ryan Kwanten is excellent in True Blood. It’s a bit sad seeing him return to star in an Australian film which bombs (the other bomb – Griff the Invisible – even when Australian film makers make a superhero film they can’t play it straight and stuff it up)

  117. Tillman

    More delightfully sophisticated logical discourse from the luvvies. No condemnation of the murders, of course.
    Mark

    I am not compelled by virtue of your ignorant bleating about “paleosimians” and leftist murderers to condemn anything.

    As I said, fuck off. That’s the response you deserve for being an ignorant dickhead.

    And as THR notes, it’s a bit rich for you to stake out the moral high ground when you haven’t even denied beating your wife repeatedly.

    Coupled with your failure to deplore the Holocaust or the Turkish genocide against the Armenians, only one conclusion is possible: you are a wife-beating Nazi apologist for the soft-Islamists in Istanbul.

    Now fuck off.

  118. Peter Patton

    Australian film is no longer possible; it was finally buried by Chris Lilley, whose Ricky Wong, J’amie King, Phil Olivetti, the Dunt boys, and Pat Mullins, cover everything that all current/recent Australian films have tried to cover, with the added bonus that Lilley is actually extremely clever, and perceptive.

  119. Peter Patton

    RL

    My good man. One can chew gum and walk at the same time, you know.

  120. Peter Patton

    Tillman

    Now fuck off

    May I applaud this irruption of long-suppressed Aussie lexical efficiency and potency? My current favorite is “Get Stuffed”! But “Get Fucked” will do nicely, thank you.

  121. daddy dave

    I’m a victim too, says video bully

    Schoolboy body-slammed for bullying Year 10 student says he’s also been a victim of bullies

    I believe this.

    In a bullying culture, bullys are often former or occasional victims themselves.

  122. jtfsoon

    More schoolkids should simply be encouraged to take up boxing to put some self discipline into their aggressive tendencies. However, that would probably be frowned on today

  123. Peter Patton

    jason, it looked pretty clear to me that The Spindle – the bully – has had some elementary tutelage, probably from an elder male relative.

  124. jtfsoon

    oops I probably shouldn’t have written that comment. Mullah Steve will now come up with another 2000 word fatwa against catallaxy

  125. Fleeced

    Oh, I believe the kid was probably bullied himself… many schools are like prisons – it’s bully or be be bullied. Most just try to stay under the radar, but not always possible.

    However, in the TT interview, he seemed to claim he was bullied by the fat kid – though his definition of bullying seemed to be that he “mouthed off” at him or something. Face it, the kid is a little turd.

  126. daddy dave

    Face it, the kid is a little turd.

    I’m not prepared to write off a 12 year old kid.
    Children behave badly but they can be brought into line.

  127. daddy dave

    This poll is a rogue.

    I have no idea what’s going on with the polls right now. Wild swings in both directions. Now I don’t even know if I trust the recent swings to the Coalition.

  128. C.L.

    Harry cites a poll after ignoring them for months.

    Here’s the latest from Labor-aligned agency, Essential: the Coalition in the lead.

    Pell could explain to us his remarkable theory that nitrogen is a greenhouse gas…

    Perhaps you could appear with Julia Gillard, Harry. She could explain which products have “carbon pollution in them” and you could explain your pet theory about bovine flatulence heating the planet.

  129. I refuse to pay any money to see an Australian movie.

    Why not? You pay to have ’em made. 🙂

  130. C.L.

    Abbott could never pull off what you described above about Hawke.

    Hawke was a grub as ACTU boss. Then he simply smooched his way into office at the end of a long Coalition government. Did no work for it and no thought. He nearly lost the 1984 election before spending the rest of the 80s clinically depressed about his junkie son. Successfully bringing up children was beyond the great man’s abilities.

    Abbott’s intelligence deficit compared to Hawkey…

    Hawke got a degree combo at the crappy University of WA before writing a lowly arts thesis at Oxford. He was never outstandingly bright.

  131. C.L.

    German-born Heinz Luegenbiehl’s take on Four Corners was hilarious:

    You know we didn’t have kamikazes in the West, okay. What is a kamikaze pilot except someone who sacrifices himself for the good of the nation. He is committing suicide for the greater good, okay. So I’m not surprised that we have individuals in this situation putting their lives at immediate risk, because that is seen as part of the responsibility.

    Ah the Japs. They all have buck teeth and wear spectacles too, right Heinz? Come on – you should know, Heinz.

  132. daddy dave

    I refuse to pay any money to see an Australian movie.

    Why not? You pay to have ‘em made.

    haha. True. Appalling, isn’t it.

  133. JC

    Heinzey sounds like he’s a little pissed. I was waiting for him to break into a Dr. Strangelove like thingi he did with his arm.

    Where the fuck does the ABC drag up these “expert” witnesses? Where did Heinzey come from?

  134. JC

    Adrien

    Paying once is enough. Twice, fool me.

  135. No Worries

    In human dynamics it seems that the smaller/weaker members of the gang are the most emboldened to have a go at the target. The more comprehensive the bullying, the more the smaller gang members attempt to attack. Sooner or later the thought of being bullied by a shrimp is just too much of an insult.
    That, or the overall ongoing humiliation reaches a cut off point, and the victim just goes postal.

    A guy I knew in my teenage years was known to be a bit of a loner in “gang world” in that he would not connect with any gang, but every gang feared him. He gave me some advice : If a gang harasses you, always lay into the smallest/weakest looking member of the gang. Set an example for the others watching.
    Conveniently, the smaller members generally take the lead in engaging the target, so they’re within easy reach.

    Kind of explains small man syndrome in the work place.

  136. True. Appalling, isn’t it.

    The trouble is that the film industry is a crony set-up. You have to go to the right school which trains you to ‘get the funding’. I was at a Q&A forum at the Melbourne Film Festival years ago and there were these VCA grads whinging about how hard it is to get the funding and that year there was this kid from Adelaide who’d written and directed a flick that got into Cannes.

    He’d never been to film school. He didn’t even know what a clapper board was for. He just wrote the thing and then went out and got investors. Even better his first investor pulled out early on the first week of shooting, so he spent the evening trying to get another one to meet the wage deadline for Friday payday. And he got it.

    I bring this up with these VCA grads and they just look at me blankly for a minute and then one of ’em says: but it’s so hard to get funding!!

    It’s like a dole que. They graduate, make ads and wait years to get funding for their ‘first feature’. If they just went out and did it they’d be making their first feature a year or two out of college and without some cultural bureaucrat’s notions of what should be made they might even get people to see it.

  137. JC

    Kind of explains small man syndrome in the work place.

    How true. It also seems to apply in the blogosphere. Really short guys have a very nasty , sneaky temperament.

    The small man’s syndrome ought to be taken into account a lot more than it is when figuring out a person’s psychological disturbances.

    Personally I find nothing worse than a short dude over compensating. I sort of find it offensive.

  138. C.L.

    Flashback:

    Obama says don’t stay in Iraq over genocide.

    SUNAPEE, N.H. (AP) — Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.

    Hillary in 2007:

    We cannot save the Iraqis from themselves.

    Hillary today:

    The world will not sit idly by while more innocent civilians are killed… We are standing with the people of Libya, and we will not waver in our efforts to protect them.

    Despicable.

  139. Infidel Tiger

    Has there been an Australian film released in the last decade that hasn’t featured an evil property developer?

    The last decent Australian film and still one of my favourites is The Big Steal. Love that film and love Gordon Farkas.

  140. JC

    Has there been an Australian film released in the last decade that hasn’t featured an evil property developer?

    After I spent 30 odd bucks for two tickets to see 2 dollar bill I told wifey that was never again going to see a stupid Australian film. Of course it had the evil property developer in there.

  141. JC

    Watched Q&A last night.

    Miranda Devine was hopeless. She looked like a deer stuck in headlights. Christopher Pine was pretty good. There’s an interesting observation. Pine was the second conservative to attack Tony Jones for being the tax-eating very partisan douchbag. The first one was Barn Door Joyce who was fabulous in the way he attacked him and scored serious blows.

    I ‘m of course speculating but it may be that conservatives are really hitting back at Jones and this could be the start.

    This is a very dangerous time for the turd because he can’t have too many conservatives treating him as the enemy, as he could be done for reputationally.

    What it would take to ruin Jones is for one conservative to walk off the program and after s/he explained to people that Tony Jones is a fat partisan turd and won’t remain on a leftwing program with that sort of fuckery. It could badly damage Jones he may not recover.

    s/he could say… at the right moment… ” Look i’m sorry Tony, But I can’t remain on this program if you’re going to behave in such a partisan manner but would happily return if the ABC found a fairer host.

    If Jones denies it, walk off and apologize to the public before doing so carefully explaining the reasons.

  142. C.L.

    Kevin Donnelly mocks the new Real Real Julia who loves her Bible like George W. Bush and Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen:

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/45392.html

  143. JC

    Yea… she’s REAL bible thumper alright.

    This woman is seriously freaking dense. She seems to think we’ll believe any lowbrow shit she dishes out.

  144. C.L.

    Frankly, JC, Q&A is simply a toxic set-up designed to mock anyone who isn’t a lefty, a Laborite, a ‘climate change’ bed wetter or a bigoted old lapsed Presbyterian loony like Harry. You know Einstein’s definition of insanity – I think Liberals turning up for Fatty over and over again and expecting a different outcome is an example of the idea. Why not just avoid going on the show altogether?

  145. JC

    Why not just avoid going on the show altogether?

    I’ve often mentioned that. Fatty Jones would be particularly vulnerable to any silent embargo like that.

    They could also really fuck him up by accepting the invite and then making up an excuse in the last hour of the program why they are a no show…. and keep doing it.

    The idea isn’t to persuade him, it’s to silent;y and methodically fuck him over big time.

    He seem to have a real glass jaw from what I’ve seen when conservatives challenge him because like most leftwingers of his type he immediately backs away and retreats.

    They could send him into a nervous breakdown if the tried.

  146. Myrddin Seren

    “You know we didn’t have kamikazes in the West…”

    Historical footnote for Heinz.

    Ummm – matter of fact, apparently your lot did.

    We resume normal programming.

  147. JC

    Ummm – matter of fact, apparently your lot did.

    My lot didn’t. In fact they were the exact opposite.

  148. C.L.

    MS, all cultures have people who put themselves on the line to save and serve others, that’s the point. For the ABC’s ‘expert’ to drag kamikazes into a discussion of the Japanese nuclear reactor was simply offensive.

    You have to ask again: why does the left hate science?

  149. dover_beach

    Speaking of Fridays and the Black Eyed Peas, Weekends.

  150. JC

    You have to ask again: why does the left hate science?

    Tim Lambert (UNSW) would be the most qualified to answer that. Tim seems to get his climate science from Gareth, a New Zealand truffle farmer more and more these days.

  151. dover_beach

    BTW CL, I agree with you re Abbott completely.

  152. daddy dave

    Has there been an Australian film released in the last decade that hasn’t featured an evil property developer?

    The ABC show “Seachange” also had one. Because, you know, all development is bad, and wrecks the nostalgic ambience of small towns.

    With property prices at crazy heights, we need more houses to meet demand and take the pressure off. Anti-development people are by definition pro-expensive housing.

  153. dover_beach

    HC, what is your opinion of the current Hannes Alfvén Medalist?

  154. JC

    Who is Gareth:

    Gareth Renowden is the author of the award-winning The Truffle Book (Limestone Hills 2005), The Olive Book (Canterbury University Press 1999) and Video – The Inside Story (Collins (UK) 1983). He has written for and worked on a wide variety of magazines and newspapers in Britain, NZ and the US. He is trying to grow truffles, olives and grapes on a small farm in North Canterbury, and is immediate past president of the NZ Truffle Association.

  155. Peter Patton

    There was that dire ABC “drama” series – Rake – whose villain was an economist. But not just any old utility maximising shill for Wall Street, mind; Professor Murray Green was also – naturally, a cannibal.

  156. daddy dave

    Currency Lad, your 4 am insight was brilliant.

    I would love to see Abbott do this. A gamble, sure, but every time he’s gone hard on strong principles he’s done well. He’s at his flakiest when he’s trying to sell some kind of cooked-up political compromise. Abbott doesn’t ride camels well.

    Imagine the shrieks and wailing across Labor/Press Gallery/ABC/Fairfax that this would cause. T’would be a beautiful sight.

  157. daddy dave

    on the other hand, he could just wait for Gillard to screw something else up. Should take a couple of weeks.

  158. C.L.

    Didactic condescension on crack by ‘science journalist’ Tim Dean at Labor website, ABC Unleashed:

    Why conservatives are climate change sceptics.

    Characteristic of the conservative worldview is a general tendency to see nature as hostile, as being a force at odds with humanity, something to be conquered and exploited for our benefit. Leave nature alone, and it won’t show us any mercy. It’s survival of the fittest, you know.

    That he could write that without the slightest trace of shame or irony – given that Julia Gillard says we need a tax to stop the planet exploding, that Bob Brown says coal mines cause floods, that Al Gore says the Republican Party causes hurricanes and the IPCC head now says humans cause earthquakes; in short, that Gaia (nature) is punishing us and must be conquered with propellers and carbon ‘pollution’ schemes – is astonishing.

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/45394.html

  159. Infidel Tiger

    Characteristic of the conservative worldview is a general tendency to see nature as hostile, as being a force at odds with humanity, something to be conquered and exploited for our benefit. Leave nature alone, and it won’t show us any mercy. It’s survival of the fittest, you know.

    Which would be why the Greens voting base in hunkered down in the inner city as far from nature as they can possibly be. What a preposterous thing to say.

  160. Why conservatives are climate change sceptics.

    I think the question is more: Why conservatives are change sceptics.

  161. Of course it had the evil property developer in there.

    Having known a few property developers in my time I think a hypothesis of commitment to sociological accuracy might be successful to explain this.

    There are some truly excellent Australian films. Bryan Brown usually features.

  162. C.L.

    Conservatives got rid of the White Australia Policy, Adrien, while the Australian left and the Labor Party fought to maintain it. Is that the kind of change you’re talking about? What about change on the waterfront – Peter Reith was the one sceptical of change was he?

  163. Conservatives got rid of the White Australia Policy, Adrien

    The name of the party that held govt at the time was the Liberal Party. Okay so they weren’t entirely liberal.

    You don’t get it. I think socialists are conservatives also. Conservatives resist change. By definition yeah?

    It’s not entirely a bad thing.

  164. C.L.

    As wide-eyed Bible zealot Julia Gillard combats the danger of products with “carbon polution in them”…

    Government approves massive coal mine project.

    The Federal Government has given the go-ahead to what could be the biggest coal mine in the Southern Hemisphere…

    The mine would produce 30-million tonnes a year but has the potential to expand to 100-million tonnes a year, making it the largest in the Southern Hemisphere.

    But according to the Labor Party, our true enemy is bananas, tubs of yoghurt and Rice Bubbles boxes containing ‘carbon pollution.’

  165. dover_beach

    Characteristic of the conservative worldview is a general tendency to see nature as hostile, as being a force at odds with humanity, something to be conquered and exploited for our benefit. Leave nature alone, and it won’t show us any mercy. It’s survival of the fittest, you know.

    What complete rubbish. Has he never read Bacon?

    I think the question is more: Why conservatives are change sceptics.

    No. The only change a certain sort of conservative is sceptical of are changes that spring from ideology rather than those that are already intimated in an existing activity.

  166. dover_beach

    Conservatives resist change.

    You’re obviously not reading Oakeshott carefully enough.

  167. JC

    You’re obviously not reading Oakeshott carefully enough.

    Surely not Rob Oakeshott 🙂

  168. C.L.

    Is Lambert still relying on the truffle farmer?

  169. Infidel Tiger

    Bloody hell that was quick.

    Langbroek resigns.

    Queenslanders will have the choice between two flood news specialists

  170. Jc

    Yea, he block quotes Dr. Truffle and he’s far too busy with his time these days producing peer reviewed IT research like it was a Japanese production line.

    Shiny is a prodigious author which is why he was invited to the Sydney writers festival.

  171. Infidel Tiger

    I say, any chance of doing the same with Mal Brough replacing Abbott? Tony’s all over the place like a mad woman’s shit lately.

  172. daddy dave

    Conservatives resist change. By definition yeah?

    No.

    It’s a label for a political attitude, with deep historical roots. It makes no more sense to say that ‘progressives’ like progress (they only like some kinds of progress); socialists are highly social people (they may or may not be); or liberals are generous.

    The correct word for political or social “resistant to change” is “reactionary”.
    You’re welcome.

  173. C.L.

    Langbroek is a legitimately unlucky pol. He was a shoo-in before the floods; or, more particulatly, before Anna had a pretend cry on tele and bought herself an Akubra. There is no better example of the fundamental childishness of many people than the revival of Bligh’s dreadful premiership. Then she got another gift with Prince William’s visit – and, of course, the dedicated old blue-stocking leftie of yesteryear suddenly became an ardent royalist and shadowed him around FNQ like a particularly odd-looking member of his security detail. Anna has taken to wearing Country Road attire anywhere north of Caboolture. She was actually wearing RM Williams cuban heels as she strolled around with the Prince. I had to laugh.

  174. C.L.

    I think this is probably right:

    Kevin Rudd the catalyst for Labor’s poll recovery, says Coalition.

    COALITION MPs have attributed Labor’s bounce back in the polls to Kevin Rudd and his handling of international emergencies in Japan and Libya.

  175. daddy dave

    If it’s reliable, it’s likely because there’s been international instability in japan and Libya. People cling to the status quo when they’re nervous.
    Voter punishment is meted out for domestic stuff-ups, not natural disasters or distant wars. Those things help incumbents.

  176. C.L.

    The Prime Minister of Somoa, Tuilaepa Sailele Malielegaoi, is no Joe Hockey:

    SAMOA’S newly re-elected prime minister has raised the ire of Pacific feminists by claiming one female MP in his cabinet is “more than enough”…

    The leader had an elected group of two women and 34 men to select from, and said his final mix of one female minister and 12 male in cabinet got the gender balance “just right”.

  177. C.L.

    Live to air, ABC runs homosexual Tweet targeting Christopher Pyne.

    The Coalition needs to go to war against this partisan toilet and take no prisoners.

  178. Dover, it’s not that I’m not paying enough attention when reading Oakeshott it’s you who pay too much attention when reading me. 🙂

  179. DD – Perhaops a better question is conservative about what? Progressive in what way?

    When J-B Petersen ran Queensland his idea of progress was to destroy old buildings. The most hardcore reactionaries were the punk rockers and commie unionists et al.

  180. This is what happens when you make the ABC a mere sockpuppet of the Murdochracy.

    “intelligent commenter” Fran Barlow.

  181. Infidel Tiger

    Yes, apaprently the right-wing Christianists at the ABC are allowing homosexual slurs through now. Bizarre.

  182. C.L.

    Oh noes! 😐

    GLOBAL temperatures are on the increase, with a new study showing a rise of about half a degree celsius over the past 160 years.

    Tim Blair summarises the grim corollary: We Will All Be Killed.

  183. Gabrielle

    From CL’s link:

    studied three series of recorded global temperature data to look for clear evidence of a trend in global temperatures.

    I’ve been to this rodeo before. Not riding the horse again. Show me the raw data. And show me pictures where the thermometers are located.

  184. daddy dave

    DD – Perhaops a better question is conservative about what? Progressive in what way?

    “Progressive” generally refers to the project of increased social inclusiveness; welfare; and multiculturalism. They would probably agree with the statement “I want society to be more humane” as their owverarching goal. One of the things I like about them is that they are serious about human rights.

    “Conservative” – in modern Western societies encompasses a pro-market and pro-Western attitude, and a preference for strong non-state social institutions such as families and churchesl. They see social cohesion a a priority. They would identify with the statement “I want society to be strong and prosperous” as a primary goal.

    That’s my take.

  185. DD – I agree with your take on what progressive and conservative means currently. I suspect however that beneath that there’s a certain disposition, for and against the current order.

    Conservatives look around and see how far we’ve come, how tenuous a hold we have on that; progressives look around and see the same old monkey shit.

  186. C.L.

    The last of the original Delta bluesman:

    Pinetop Perkins, Delta Boogie-Woogie Master, Dies at 97.

    From his days in the groups of [Muddy] Waters and the slide guitarist Robert Nighthawk to the vigorous solo career he fashioned over the last 20 years, Mr. Perkins’s accomplishments were numerous and considerable. His longevity as a performer was remarkable — all the more so considering his fondness for cigarettes and alcohol; by his own account he began smoking at age 9 and didn’t quit drinking until he was 82.

  187. C.L.

    On why he took up the piano:

    Originally a guitarist, Mr. Perkins concentrated exclusively on the piano after an incident, in 1943, in which a dancer at a juke joint attacked him with a knife, severing the tendons in his left arm. The injury left him unable to hold a guitar or manage its fretboard.

    Did three years of schoolin’ before working the fields:

    Mr. Perkins “learned to play in the same school as Muddy — a cotton field, where the conjugation was done with a hoe and the school lunch was a fish sandwich and homemade whiskey.”

    When you think about it, the way bourgeois British white boys robbed these tough old Delta coots blind and made gazillions off ’em is one of the great travesties of cultural history.

  188. No Worries

    22 Organisations Sign Open Letter Opposing Carbon Tax
    Looks like people can unite when they have common cause.

  189. Infidel Tiger

    When you think about it, the way bourgeois British white boys robbed these tough old Delta coots blind and made gazillions off ‘em is one of the great travesties of cultural history

    Dunno about that. Without those pasty Limeys, no one would ever have heard of these old coots.

  190. jtfsoon

    1) Most Rolling Stones fans probably still have never heard of these old coots.

    2) I was listening to Muddy Waters etc before I had any idea that the Rolling Stones played their stuff.

  191. JC

    yobbo says:

    This is what happens when you make the ABC a mere sockpuppet of the Murdochracy.

    “intelligent commenter” Fran Barlow.

    Can someone run it by me again why being nice to Fran and extremist like her is a good thing? Can someone explain what she contributes other than babbling crap like the quote Yobbo picked up?

  192. When you think about it, the way bourgeois British white boys robbed these tough old Delta coots blind and made gazillions off ‘em is one of the great travesties of cultural history.

    I can’t think of any English guitarists that could be classified as ‘bourgeois’. You know that when the Stones went to record at Chess studios in Chicago they found Muddy Waters painting the walls? He needed the money. He doesn’t anymore.

  193. Can someone run it by me again why being nice to Fran and extremist like her is a good thing?

    Libertarians are extremist. Please read, “The Undiscovered Self” CJ Jung.

  194. JC

    John…

    I can’t see how wanting less of government (that acts likes midas) in reverse is n extreme position.

    Libertarians are basically consequentialists, believe the road to hell is paved with good intentions and there is no such thing as a free lunch. These are not extremist positions.

  195. dover_beach

    Significant evidence emerges that there has been no global warming for the last 6 years.

  196. daddy dave

    These are not extremist positions.

    Depends where and when you live. Try telling your average Glaswegian or Athenian that there’s no such thing as a free lunch.

    But at least some libertarian positions are empirical claims, for example “if government gets too big and spends too much things will eventually go to shit.”
    This has a truth value that’s independent of whether it’s popular, marginal, or “extreme.”

  197. C.L.

    You know that when the Stones went to record at Chess studios in Chicago they found Muddy Waters painting the walls? He needed the money. He doesn’t anymore.

    Right. Largely because of royalties etc. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t stiffed (with all the rest) because they were black in the era of segregation.

  198. jtfsoon

    Muddy Waters with the Stones

  199. Peter Patton

    CL

    You do realize that your assessment of Hawke, does your boy Abbott any favors. In fact, we can only logically assume you think Abbott is a REAL dunderhead!

    I said, “Abbott could never pull off what you described above about Hawke”. To which you replied:

    Hawke was a grub as ACTU boss. Then he simply smooched his way into office at the end of a long Coalition government. Did no work for it and no thought. He nearly lost the 1984 election before spending the rest of the 80s clinically depressed about his junkie son. Successfully bringing up children was beyond the great man’s abilities.

    As you fail to acknowledge the actual subject – Tony Abbott – we can only infer that you must think Abbott is an intellectual and moral cripple, whose successes in politics and life amount to little more than Head Blackboard Monitor in Miss Smith’s 1B class. But why go that far?

    Just read over every sentence you wrote there. What a load of fucking ill-informed brain dead bullshit Gawd, you really need to leave the house as quickly as possible.

    You then chose to take on my claim about “Abbott’s intelligence deficit compared to Hawkey…” Once again, nothing about Abbott

    Hawke got a degree combo at the crappy University of WA before writing a lowly arts thesis at Oxford. He was never outstandingly bright.

    Oh, dude. If you think you have the capacity to make assessments of Bob Hawke’s mind, you really are missing out on all the fun.

    Still, perhaps I’ve misunderstood you, and you actually have clarified the matter wrt your boy, Abbott? Pig’s ass.

  200. daddy dave

    shorter: Peter picks fight with CL.
    (because CL criticised Hawke whom Peter idolises)

  201. JC

    Wow! That was quick

    From WSJ

    Reactor No. 4 Reconnected to Grid

    Japan’s nuclear watchdog said electricity has been reconnected to the No. 4 reactor at the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, but power has not yet been turned on, indicating progress in efforts to revive the cooling system.

  202. sdfc

    DD picks fight with Peter.
    (because Peter criticised CL whom DD idolises)

  203. C.L.

    Peter, Abbott is not my boy. I never voiced, wrote or daydreamed about him becoming leader but he has been impressive on many occasions. His demolition job on a first term government was the best result for an Opposition Leader for 80 years. Hawke never did anything comparable. As Hayden correctly said, a drover’s dog could have won in 1983.

    As for his ACTU career, Hawke was a knuckle-dragging neanderthal. His student career was unremarkable – BA/LLB at the University of WA and an embarrassingly crappy BLitt at Oxford (he wrote something about wage fixing – yawn).

    Abbott’s academic, Rhodes scholarship, sporting, familial and Oppositional careers were all superior.

    Culturally and intellectually, Hawke was an embarrassment – the maestro of Dawkinisation of higher education, amongst other appalling bogan travesties.

  204. C.L.

    sdfc picks fight with DD
    (because DD criticised Peter whom sdfc idolises)

  205. daddy dave

    LOL
    I was just providing commentary, sdfc. Frankly I sympathise with Peter because I quite admire Hawke myself. And I don’t idolise anyone, least of all anyone on this blog.

  206. Peter Patton

    Aaaaarrrrggghhh!!! FMD. Of COURSE, you are hovering, no matter what time of day a post appears. You’re worse than a stalker.

  207. daddy dave

    Worse than a stalker?
    On the bright side, at least that means I’m not a stalker.

  208. sdfc

    What can I say CL? You got me.

  209. JC

    It’s never hard SDFC as you’re almost always over ..05.

  210. C.L.

    But heads: commenters at Navit Shchigel’s ABC Unleashed piece on the Fogel family massacre:

    Navit, no-one can condone what happened to the Fogel family but…

    It’s sad if people in Gaza celebrated the deaths but…

    The actions of the Palestinians are disgusting and pointless and are creating further tensions. BUT…

    Such a biased article, I agree that no human could murder small children, they are animals. But…

    … you chose to focus solely on prior behaviour of the Palestinian leadership that has “fed a constant diet of hate to the Arab population”. This may very well be the case, but…

    Crime, as we understand it, is sad and illegal behaviour, is punishable by law, as we understand law. But…

    Of course it’s outragous, but…

    Highly emotive, but…

    The murder of this family is abhorrent but…

    I abhor violent acts (especially borne) of hatred by any state but…

    The murders are a terrible tragedy. But…

    We should all condemn violence, hatred, vilification, and discrimination. To that extent, I agree with it. But…

    I hate the death of children, but…

    I was brought up to admire the achievements of the Jewish people. But…

    You say that that the PA should cease vilifying Jews but…

    When we hear stories like this… we also are filled with rage and sorrow. But…

    In no way condone the murders mentioned in the article but…

    This article describes a terrible crime, but…

    I have to sympathise with the violated deluded, but…

    What was done is appalling but…

    Yes, there has been a jewish prescence in the area for 3000 years but…

    There are hateful bigots in every group who will hate on ‘the other’ no matter what. But…

    Frightening.

  211. sdfc

    Yeah that’s right JC a Friday night drink makes me an alcoholic.

    What a boring wowser you must be.

  212. Peter Patton

    dd

    Dude, while you’re not down there dribbling with CL, you could also do with a bit of a workout on your basic reasoning structure. If I do admire Hawke – which I absolutely do – it is because of my very glowing overall assessment of his qualities. I do not express admiration of his qualities – such as intellect in this case – because I admire him. You see the way the causation goes?

    All I am asking is that when somebody thinks they are landing a knockout rhetorical blow that they have some awareness of what is being argued.

  213. JC

    What a boring wowser you must be.

    lol. I just drink socially, not alone like you seem to.

    Not a wowser at all. A wowser is someone that wants to prevent other having a good time and if your gig is drinking alone, more power to you.

    I simply made the observation that you always seem to be over .05 whenever you comment here.

  214. sdfc

    No you’re a wowser alright.

  215. daddy dave

    don’t worry Peter – I’m off to watch ‘The Closer’ in a moment (one of my favorite crime shows); and in general will be on hiaitus from the Cat shortly.

    All I am asking is that when somebody thinks they are landing a knockout rhetorical blow that they have some awareness of what is being argued.

    An impossible request. If I have no awareness, you can’t ask me to suddenly get it. Well, technically you can ask I suppose, but you see my point.

  216. JC

    Wow.

    FOI makes Rudd look better while SwanDive and Duck bum appear fucking horrible creatures.

    Rudd had to go, but so did SwanDive and Duck bum by this account.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/winners-write-the-history-of-mining-tax/story-e6frg71x-1226025657078

  217. sdfc

    Having a drink on a Friday night after a hard week of work is nowhere near as sad as commenting here all day and all night as you do.

    You need to get out more.

  218. Peter Patton

    dd

    Aaaaarrrrgghhh!!! I give up. I was talking about that dribbling airhead, CL.

  219. daddy dave

    Okay then. Peter, why engage in dialog with CL and then complain that he replies? make up your mind.

  220. JC

    SDFC

    I generally comment from the arvo on when I’ve done all my work.

    Watch rates and prices flicker around all day gets a little tiresome, so hanging it on lefties is a decent pass time.

    Trading is watching screens. Always has been.

  221. JC

    Great news for the US deficit.

    With U.N. coalition forces bombarding Libyan leader Muammar el-Qaddafi from the sea and air, the United States’ part in the operation could ultimately hit several billion dollars — and require the Pentagon to request emergency funding from Congress to pay for it.

    The first day of Operation Odyssey Dawn had a price tag that was well over $100 million for the U.S. in missiles alone. And the U.S. military, which remains in the lead now in its third day, has pumped millions more into air- and sea-launched strikes targeting air-defense sites and ground-force positions along Libya’s coastline

  222. sdfc

    JC

    Sticking with your bet on the yen?

  223. Michael Fisk

    Here’s one of the ABC Unleashed Commenters, playing the old “I Have Some Black Friends Too” card:

    For the record, I have some fine “Jewish” friends as well as Palestinians.

    But you would have to equivocate and relativise matters if they were murdered in their beds by the terrorist wing of the ruling party, cheered on by large numbers of locals, wouldn’t you?

  224. Why did they put Jewish in scare quotes?

  225. Peter Patton

    And what an odd notion of parallelism; Jew: “Palestinian”. The author is clearly unaware of just how revealing that little slip is.

  226. JC

    Yea. I’ve had two possys. I went long yen when when the disaster stuck and short yen against the Canadian dollar after the BOJ antics. In fact I added to the short and it’s my largest position now. I stop loss at 80 so it won’t kill me.

    In fact I’m more scarily optimistic than ever on stocks because Japan was the last shoe to drop in terms of throwing more money into the system. They dumped close to 1 trillion dollars of Yen into the freaking system in the matter of days. That’s freaking unprecedented.

    I’m short yen and long the Japan broad Index.

    Every time there’s a problem now the central banks throw money into the system in unprecedented sums.

    As far as i can see the outside money that will cross into japan (repatriation) is around $40 billion tops coming from re-insurance claims.

    My thesis on this trade(s) is that the government can’t borrow the money as they’re tapped out at 230% of GDP, so the only thing they can do is print it and while there’s demand for Yen they will print lots of it and weaken the yen that way… which is something the BOJ had a mind to do but weren’t able because public opinion was against such a move.

    The government can’t access their foreign reserves because they would have to sell the foreign currency and therefore apprecaite the yen. That would destroy them.

    This will be different. The street has been expecting that Yen will appreciate, but i believe it has to weaken.

  227. C.L.

    Peter, luvvie, I’ll let you in on a secret.

    Knowing that you have an almost homo-erotic love of former union troglodyte and poster boy for boganism, Bob Hawke, I baited you with a rather hard-hitting summary of his not very stellar career.

    As expected, you went beserk.

    But it’s true. Hawke’s victory in 83 was ordinary, his near loss in 84 was epically moronic, his financial deregulation arose from the work carried out by John Howard and the Liberal Dries, he was (says Keating and others) off his trolley from 84 to 89, he wrecked Australian higher education, he was a coward on industrial relations and the waterfront, a coward on Option C, his womanish blubbling was a national embarrassment, he was a turd to his children, a hypocritical toe-rag to his wife and an easy-beat for the NSW Right.

    Stated simply, Hawke was an overrated dickhead whose laurels were won not because of anything stunning he did but rather because he didn’t displace a bar set very low following the Whitlam debacle.

    One further thing: according to Bill Hayden’s book, Hawke has a very small penis. Now that’s not his fault but his tendency to have man-on-man conferences with others while starkers is symbolic of his more generic egomaniacal cluelessness regarding his own shortcomings.

  228. Infidel Tiger

    Peter will find the penis revelations the most devastating.

  229. JC

    Hawke has a very small penis.

    Does he? Wow.

  230. Gabrielle

    Pyne asks the PM to withdraw the “denier” comment.

    The manager of opposition business Christopher Pyne said that after 11 years as chair of the Parliamentary Friendship Group on Israel, he was offended by the form of words – which he likened to the term “Holocaust denier”.

    Amid uproar in the House of Representatives, Mr Pyne asked the Prime Minister to withdraw the comment.

    “I think the words being used by the Prime Minister would be regarded as offensive words,” he said.

    “We all know the connotation that the Prime Minister is trying to bring about by using the word ‘denier’.

    “We know that she is trying to allude to the Holocaust. It is offensive and it must stop”.

    Speaker Harry Jenkins refused to accept the basis of the complaint.

    Opposition Leader Tony Abbott accepted the Speaker’s judgment but placed on the record that he found the term “climate change denier” offensive and untruthful.

    Climate Change Minister Greg Combet was undeterred by the opposition’s sensitivity to the term.

    “When you stop denying the climate science, we’ll stop calling you a denier. That’s the fact of the matter,” he told parliament.

    Combet doesn’t realise that he is not just insulting Pyne, Abbott et al but also approximately 6 million voters.

  231. JC

    I like Krisina’s dad without eve meeting him.

    HE doesn’t believe in global warming and is vehemently opposed to any carbon tax.

    However John Kerscher’s strong views haven’t rubbed off on his daughter – Premier Kristina Keneally.

    Yesterday he joined her on the final days of her election campaign bus tour.

    “She is a tough kid and hopefully I raised her to be a fighter,” he said.

    But the 68-year-old hasn’t raised his daughter to share his political beliefs.

    A proud Republican, Mr Kerscher is glad a carbon tax is “dead” in the US, where he lives with his wife Cathy.

  232. Infidel Tiger

    “We all know the connotation that the Prime Minister is trying to bring about by using the word ‘denier’.

    “We know that she is trying to allude to the Holocaust. It is offensive and it must stop”.

    I don’t agree with this.

    Abbott should just call her a lying hussy and wear the denier tag like a badge of honour. His namby pampy, fence posts up the date stance has rooted him.

    I find the direct action method he’s spruiking more laughable and more of an insult to the intelligence than a carbon tax. let’s deal with real environmental problems like salinity.

  233. C.L.

    Well done, Christopher Pyne. I’ve got a lot of time for the Pyno. Laugh all you like, Q&A losers, he’s rarely bested in debate and he aggressively goes after his quarry like a smiling assassin.

  234. C.L.

    Child psychologist and spokesman for the National Centre Against Bullying, Dr Michael Carr-Gregg:

    “There is no doubt in my mind that this video and the attention that it has gained runs a very serious risk of normalising, glamorising and sanitising a hit-back mentality,” he said.

    Well, yes.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/22/3170704.htm

    His point about the media revealing the children’s identities is probably fair enough. They are too young to agree to speak to the world on national television.

  235. sdfc

    JC

    I had a look at what the yen did after Kobe in early 1995. It took about six weeks for it to really get its skates on.

    I agree the BOJ is going to have to increase its JGB buying program.

    As much as they would love to generate some inflation out of this that’s gonna increase their funding costs which could cause them all sorts of problems given the size of the debt.

  236. JC

    SDFC.

    Yea I’m aware of the Kobe story. I think this is far far different though. At the time the BOJ was measly and the stock was still in the process of imploding. In other words Kobe wasn’t the catalyst for a stock market continuing to fall and tight money, as it was heading there anyways.

    This time money is as loose as it could ever be and they are stuck, as the government can’t borrow the reconstruction program like they did then. There can’t be any official repatriation for the reason i outlined above, or rather much less likely though not impossible.

    So if you create this mountain of yen it will do two things in my book.

    It will cause a renomination of stock prices higher and weaken the currency.

    The bet as far as i see it is if the borrow or print and I think they have no choice but to print. That’s where the rubber meets the road IMO.

    The G7 intervention was for $25 billion to $30 billion and it’s unsterilized. If the Yen strengthen again they will do more.

    If they borrow for reconstruction I’m wrong. If they print I’ll be right and a little wealthier.

  237. sdfc

    JC

    I’m not saying we will have a repeat of the post-Kobe appreciation, afterall it went about 20% in a short period of time.

    I just wouldn’t be betting on a depreciation of any real magnitude.

    Whatever the outcome I think you’re right, they seem to have marked 80 as a line in the sand. Which makes carry trades a pretty much one way bet.

  238. daddy dave

    Is twitter just one big left-wing hate fest?

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