Lèse majesté

The Gillard Government claims that the News Limited papers in Australia are seeking ‘regime change’, that the Daily Telegraph should be condemned because it did not support the Gillard-Brown carbon dioxide tax and that new laws should be brought in to restrict freedom of the press and freedom of speech – all in the name of privacy and on the back of the News of the World scandal.
Democracy demands a robust political exchange – freedom of speech is the touchstone of that democratic foundation.
By increasing the scope of defamation laws in Australia – already pretty broad – the Government is not protecting the average citizen. It is protecting itself from criticism.
What Conroy really wants is to make it illegal to criticise the Government. To criticise the NBN and the carbon dioxide tax would be treason. To make fun of the Prime Minister also treason. To make fun of Bob Brown – High Treason.
 

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98 Responses to Lèse majesté

  1. Sirius

    Julia Gillard claims News Ltd in Australia have hard questions to answer, as she dances to the Greens call to savage the ‘hate’ media.
    Gillard is a prime example of how the media in Australia PROTECT the privacy of those in power.
    In opposition, Ms Gillard engaged in a sexual relationship with Craig Emerson MP, resulting in Mr Emerson’s wife leaving him. But was this the stuff of headlines, and scandal stories in the ‘hate’ media? No.
    Garath Evans and Democrats leader were having a sexual relationship at the time they were negotiating legislation through the Parliament, was this the stuff of headlines and scandal stories in the ‘hate’ media? No. It was only after Kernot did not mention the relationship in her memoires that Laurie Oakes criticized her for the omission.
    MP’s who send us election material with pretty pictures of their wives/husbands are having sexual relationships with staffers and others when out of the electorate for parliamentary sittings, and the media who know will never print or say a word, because the media in Australia do respect the privacy of those in power.

  2. twostix

    So the mask is off.
    Conroy wants to shut down the media.
    Brings new light to his desire to censor the Internet.
    Labor is officially the party of totalitarians.
    How sad that so many of my generation are convinced that they are the party of liberalism. What a sick joke.

  3. tbh

    Conroy has shown himself time and time again to being not only one of the least intelligent politicians in this country, but also one of the most thin skinned. His comments on the Terrorgraph were completely out of order. He should stay out of the editorial affairs of the press or perhaps he would be happier being in Venezuela or North Korea.

  4. C.L.

    Fraudulent, soon-to-be-electorally-poleaxed ‘independents’ Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor call for a complete media investigation.

  5. I suppose it’s to be expected. Total lack of self-awareness is (one reason) why they are leading a failing government. An extension of this lack of awareness is to criticise those who don’t recognise their genius.
    What next – berating the Australian public for wanting ‘regime change’? How dare they!
    Lastly, anyone not in favour of removing the Gillard ‘regime’ needs their head examined. This mob are duds extraordinaire.

  6. ‘It always ends this way with Labour’.

  7. James

    I wonder if Gillard will include this scenario from 11 months ago in one of her “hard questions”?.
    The Editor of the News Ltd Adelaide Advertiser, on the eve of last election, advocated a vote for Gillard and even went as far as describing her handling of the BER as “competent”. Yes, “competent”!
    Such overwhelming generosity (which is regularly extended to the State Rann regime, too), now seems to be conveniently forgotten as she seeks to import a ‘crisis’ to shut down criticism of the infamous “Carbon” Tax.
    And I wonder if some editors will be a little more cautious now of this would-be Muzzler of the Media.

  8. nic

    What a strange world we live in. Only 3 years ago we had Marr whining about Howard cracking down on dissenters and silencing others. Hypocrites.

  9. Infidel Tiger

    Once Abbott is PM I hope we have a full enquiry into the media that ends with the ABC and SBS been sold off or turned into homeless shelters.

  10. Jim Rose

    many government and opposition party supporters swap talking points on press freedom and media bias after losing every election

  11. Rococo Liberal

    I suspect that the left-wing types calling for media censorship are just peeved because this is the first time that they have really felt the blowtorch for many a long year. Let’s face it the ALP and Greens usually get an easy run in the MSM.
    The Liberals have in the main run the show, not because their philosophy is the right one, but because they continually tested by bad press. Whereas bad press coverage makes Coalition Governments stronger, it makes the ALP even worse.
    The principal of our system is that all governments alaways must work to serve and impress us, they have no right to expect the media or the voters to accept any of their policies or to agitate for an election if they think the Gpovernment is incompetent.
    SInce 1975, the ALP has been running the myth that once an election takes place, then a Government is automatically in for three years (if it is a Labor Government) and cannot be forced out. This is total rubbish. All governments should exist on the basis that they can be booted out by Parliament and the GG if they lose the plot.

  12. nic

    The Fairfax press has a bleat from David Williamson, calling Abbott a ‘bully boy’. This from the same lot crying about sexism.

  13. south

    They’re going to milk this one for all it’s worth… and then whine in a few years when they’re back in Opposition and find their laws being used against them. I’d sneer, but it’s we the people who’ll suffer when our governments can no longer be criticized openly.

  14. Jc

    Oakeshott is comparing to media structure and ownership to the wrong person in the comments link. He suggests it resembles burlesconi’s ownership.
    But what he’s trying to do is create another Chavez’ venezuela. Chavez destroyed all the opposition to him.
    These bastards have very serious totalitarian tendencies.

  15. Gabrielle

    A conspicuous and ignominious attack by the Gillard “government”t directed at News Ltd. No mention from Gillard or her coven any evidence of misconduct, meanwhile, elsewhere, The Age has been caught computer hacking.
    It is obvious this is just a ruse to direct attention away from the carbon dioxide tax primarily, poor polling results, the Malaysian mess and well the list is lengthy in terms of policy disasters.
    The only offence perpetrated by News Ltd. in Australia is scrutiny of the Greens and criticism of the Gillard regime. Has she actually thought this through, this whole restricting the media’s voice and swipe at democracy, or is she simply parroting Bob Brown?
    Now dangerously gaining momentum as the “independents” Windsor and Oakeshott are, as expected, supporting the government on this issue. The final nail in the coffin of free opinion is Conroy announcing talks held next week “with government colleagues, the Greens and lower house independents to determine the scope and tenor of an inquiry.”
    A blatant campaign against News Ltd and clearly shows government in a state of panic. Disgusting creatures the lot of them.

  16. rog

    Dreadful isn’t it, when a citizens right to privacy impacts on Murdochs bottom line. No worries, the inmates of Catallaxy are (always) ready to fight for freedom.

  17. Samuel J

    Rog – the great defender of freedom of speech.

  18. twostix

    Dreadful isn’t it, when a citizens right to privacy impacts on Murdochs bottom line. No worries, the inmates of Catallaxy are (always) ready to fight for freedom.

    If Howard had of launched an attack on the media like this, alluding to giving himself power to “license” newspapers, monitor content within and shut down papers you would have been out in the streets.
    But as usual, you on the left show yourselves to be nothing but the worst kind of totalitarians. It’s always the same, give the you the slightest hint of power, even illegitimate as this government has become and you go straight for the right of the people to speak out against them.
    Of course Gillard knows that her lickspittle in the State media and Fairfax and radical totalitarian supporters like you will defend her doing what you’d be rioting over if it was “the other team”.
    Bankrupt and fast becoming a danger and enemy to this democracy.

  19. Jc

    Wodger
    The owners of this blog let you post comments despite the fact they are always laced with bile and snark in an attempt to cover the fact you never went past 9th grade.
    You have nothing go add to any discussion. None.

  20. C.L.

    …fast becoming a danger and enemy to this democracy.
    We’re well passed that point. Democracy has been, effectively, suspended since the last election. We have a twice unelected ‘prime minister’ propped up by Greens and ‘independents’ guilty of representative fraud or voted in by 11 Tasmanians. The Iron Pact was the country’s first alliance between one of the old mainstream political entities and a legitimate fascist party.

  21. “What Conroy really wants is to make it illegal to criticise the Government.”
    There is absolutely no evidence for this claim.

  22. JC

    Yes there is, Carr, you intellectual pygmy. Why else would he talk about News attempt at “regime change” (amusing the dickhead thinks his minority government held up by two dishonest independents is a regime) and his disgusting clown of a boss, the failed PM Duck Bum suggests New Ltd have a lot of questions to answer. What questions do News Ltd have to answer exactly. What have they done and what is the charge.
    The real reason is that the opportunist prick thinks he’s has a opening to muzzle those critical of him and his government. That goes double for the pathetic clown Bob brown.
    you loser, Carr.

  23. THR

    If Howard had of launched an attack on the media like this, alluding to giving himself power to “license” newspapers, monitor content within and shut down papers you would have been out in the streets.

    Howard tried something much worse than this – sedition laws.

  24. Viva

    I think the origin of Brown’s jihad against New Ltd was the “Cartago delenda est” tone of its editorial some months ago. To wit:
    “Greens leader Bob Brown has accused The Australian of trying to wreck the alliance between the Greens and Labor. We wear Senator Brown’s criticism with pride. We believe he and his Green colleagues are hypocrites; that they are bad for the nation; and that they should be destroyed at the ballot box.”
    While the call to annihilate the Greens via the vote is one that has my entire sympathy, I wonder if The Australian should have been so naked in its language given the vindictiveness of this Labor government.
    As far as Conroy is concerned, I have long thought that his somewhat unhinged and obsessive fanaticism re the NBN was likely to be associated with paranoia.

  25. Has the ALP ever heard of free speech?
    Are any of them remotely well educated enough to know how central the free press and in particular newspapers were to historical revolutions?
    Or are they just pretending to be stupid whilst they impose a functional tyranny with their nanny state soft fascism?

  26. Jc

    Why not viva.
    There is nothing salvageable about the greenslimers and the oz ” spoke truth to power” 🙂
    They not only deserved to be destroyed but anyone connected to them ought to be treated in the ams way as a holocaust denier.
    There is nothing good to come out of that group. Not a single thing.
    They hate us, so hate them back doubly.

  27. C.L.

    First on Conroy’s ban list will be this site, I presume.

  28. Jim Rose

    sedition!
    Three former leaders of the NZ Labour Party – Harry Holland, Peter Fraser, and Walter Nash were all charged with sedition. So were Maori leaders such as Te Whiti and Rua Kenana

  29. twostix

    Are any of them remotely well educated enough to know how central the free press and in particular newspapers were to historical revolutions?

    That’s the point, they had their revolution, now they are terrified of the in-progress world wide counter-revolution. The left is officially the establishment, and of course, the establishment will do everything to shut down dissent when it’s in its death throws.
    Canada: Gone Conservative
    France: Gone Conservative
    UK: Gone Conservative
    US: Conservative congressional landslide last year, will be full Conservative next year.
    Australia: Next election: Conservative.
    NSW, Victoria, WA, QLD.
    Gillard is finished, the Labor party is within a bee’s dick of being finished and the “progressive” movement, is finished. They’ll smash everything up on their way out, call us all sorts of names and threaten everyone, but that doesn’t change the fact that they’re finished.

  30. twostix

    Howard tried something much worse than this – sedition laws.

    Yet he never threatened to shut down the State Media, Fairfax and the Age, nor censored the Internet (despite calls from the left even back then to do so).
    The laws ran for two year and…oh look conservatives as usual stayed within the spirit of the law.
    You also neglect to mention that the laws were put in place after 9/11, the UK bombings and the Bali bombings in the face of rising extremist Muslim Clerics calling for other Australians to go to war with Australia and kill Australians, and also had five year reviews and a ten year sunset provision.
    Not quite the same as if he had of said he was going to shutdown the Fairfax because he didn’t like their opinion of him, we won’t even go into his kid glove treatment of the bitterly partisan ABC.
    THR = Fail.

  31. twostix

    There is absolutely no evidence for this claim.

    What a joker, the government have been out in full force this week threatening newspapers who dare to be critical of them.
    Now they talk about licensing and content reviews in same sentence as calling the most sought after papers derogatory names.
    Behaviour more inline with the illegitimate regime of some pathetic Latin American pseudo-democracy.
    Election now.

  32. JC

    I’ve said a few times now that the more unpopular they become and less chance of winning the next election the more likely they will be in pushing towards a more totalitarian state.
    It’s basically a scorched earth policy.
    This is the most dangerous time for our democracy. Where’s Michael Danby and others to cross the floor.

  33. Jim Rose

    some on the Left believe in free speech for me, but not for thee

  34. Gabrielle

    Now they talk about licensing and content reviews in same sentence as calling the most sought after papers derogatory names.
    That’s Stage One. Stage Two is legislation and broadening of defamation laws.
    Stage Three will be a repeat of The Münchener Post’s fate.

  35. Fisky

    Cuba has very strong sedition laws too. The Left’s response: ” “

  36. THR

    Actually, Fisky, there has been considerable left-wing criticism of Cuba. But most people who comment here don’t actually live in Cuba, and I’d therefore expect them to be more concerned with sedition laws at home.

  37. twostix

    some on the Left believe in free speech for me, but not for thee

    Unfortunately it’s not some. This Murdoch affair is showing quite clearly that *most* of the left are only too happy to have the government threaten, and ultimately have the same power over large distribution newspapers that they have over TV.
    As Bob Brown showed the other day when he couldn’t understand the difference between TV regulation and the lack of newspaper regulation.
    I take heart in the fact that nobody wants to buy the leftist media. The only way for the left to get their message heard is to use the government to force us all to pay for it, or to use the government to intimidate and shut down everyone else.
    100 years after the revolutions and they’re *still* playing off same old worn out playbook. Thirty years of established cultural dominance and *still* nobody wants their BS.

  38. THR

    This Murdoch affair is showing quite clearly that *most* of the left are only too happy to have the government threaten, and ultimately have the same power over large distribution newspapers that they have over TV.

    What, twostix, is the specific threat that governments have made to NewsLtd?

  39. twostix

    Actually, Fisky, there has been considerable left-wing criticism of Cuba.

    Uhuh. After all that support for thirty years and only when it became intolerably embarrassing to continue to support it, did the left offer *some* criticism.
    That criticism being…That Cuba has a few problems, but we (Aus, UK, the US) are just as bad, or worse anyway.
    God you’re boring.

  40. Fisky

    But most people who comment here don’t actually live in Cuba, and I’d therefore expect them to be more concerned with sedition laws at home.
    Unfortunately, you’ve been spending a considerable amount of time denouncing a dead former dictator of Chile, so I really don’t see a need to take your parochial switcheroo (“I only criticise my own country first. Ok, and the US. Alright, and Israel too. And the West as a whole.”) seriously.

  41. THR

    So, no argument, twocells. Now, you keep on making claims about leftists and governments threatening to shut down the Murdoch empire. Please supply the specifics.

  42. THR

    Unfortunately, you’ve been spending a considerable amount of time denouncing a dead former dictator of Chile, so I really don’t see a need to take your parochial switcheroo (“I only criticise my own country first. Ok, and the US. Alright, and Israel too. And the West as a whole.”) seriously.

    Check the open thread, Fisky. I criticised your poster boy, Uribe, whose crimes seem to exceed the trampling of free speech by a considerable margin.

  43. Fisky

    Uhuh. After all that support for thirty years and only when it became intolerably embarrassing to continue to support it, did the left offer *some* criticism.

    The same pattern is being repeated with Venezuela. Total support at first and angry denunciation of critics, followed by silence, and then finally grudging concessions. Until of course the next far-Left loudmouth takes power in a third world country.

  44. Fisky

    Uribe has presided over a dramatic fall in violence over the past 10 years and Colombia is now much safer than Venezuela. You have to break eggs to make a yummy breakfast.

  45. THR

    You have to break eggs to make a yummy breakfast.

    Yes, I’m sure the dead Colombians who dared to question a murderous and corrupt government must agree. The worst of Chavez’s excesses are still utterly trivial compared to the least of Uribe’s.

  46. twostix

    So, no argument, twocells. Now, you keep on making claims about leftists and governments threatening to shut down the Murdoch empire

    Are you on drugs?? I swear you’re on drugs.
    Bob Brown holds up Australia’s most read newspaper denouncing it as “The Hate Media” then demands “enquiries” with the power to license, review content for “bias”, and “determine who can and can’t own a media organisation”.
    Gillard happily complies, and makes her own intimidating statements.
    Oakshotte denounces media that “involves itself in politics” (lol).
    All of which, according to the in-house Stalinist is apparently all just code for, we love the media and are aggressivly against the government using it’s power to intimidate or implement policies that allow us to shut down papers.
    I swear, you’re either on drugs or delusional.

  47. Fisky

    Colombians were killed for questioning Uribe? That’s news to me. You’ll need to back that up with something substantial.

  48. THR

    Colombians were killed for questioning Uribe? That’s news to me. You’ll need to back that up with something substantial.

    I supplied a link on the open thread, and plenty more can be found with minimal googling.

  49. rog

    It’s a dreadful thing infringement of civil liberties when governments move to make corporations act within the law. Don’t they understand that shareholders are also citizens and have a right to their dividend?
    Not that News Ltd ever pay their fair share of taxes or any taxes at all – they always seem to be running at a loss.

  50. Fisky

    Where? What link? Show me the link and the quote showing that Colombians were killed for questioning Uribe. That’s a remarkable claim that I have never heard before, and cannot just be made in passing.

  51. THR

    Bob Brown holds up Australia’s most read newspaper denouncing it as “The Hate Media” then demands “enquiries” with the power to license, review content for “bias”, and “determine who can and can’t own a media organisation”.

    Right – so Brown has criticised a media outlet, and the government has raised the possibility of enquiries and regulation in the context of revelations that Newscorp is rife with endemic criminality. Despite all this, there is not a single threat specific to Newscorp, but you apparently feel that you can extrapolate Stalinism from Gillard’s ‘intimidating statements’.
    You should quit while your only a few miles behind.

  52. Fisky

    It’s a dreadful thing infringement of civil liberties when governments move to make corporations act within the law. Don’t they understand that shareholders are also citizens and have a right to their dividend?
    What are you talking about? No accusations of criminal behaviour have been made against Newscorp in Australia, and there is no evidence that they aren’t already acting within the law.

  53. THR

    Where? What link?

    Open thread. From today.

  54. Abu Chowdah

    “regime change”, Laugh out fucking loud. What an unusual and inapt self-characterisation!

  55. Fisky

    Nope. Not good enough. You’ve made the claim on this thread, and you’ll need to provide both the link and the quote showing that people have been killed for questioning Uribe.

  56. THR

    You’ve made the claim on this thread, and you’ll need to provide both the link and the quote showing that people have been killed for questioning Uribe.

    I’m not doing your homework for you, Fisky. Pull your finger out and do it yourself.

  57. twostix

    Right – so Brown has criticised a media outlet, and the government has raised the possibility of enquiries and regulation in the context of revelations that Newscorp is rife with endemic criminality. Despite all this, there is not a single threat specific to Newscorp, but you apparently feel that you can extrapolate Stalinism from Gillard’s ‘intimidating statements’.
    You should quit while your only a few miles behind.

    LOL such mealy mouthed misdirection. Yet for all that bloviating you still couldn’t avoid restating what I said: “regulation”, says it all.
    AKA we can’t wait to stick it to Murdoch’s newspapers.
    I do hope when Abbott “opens an enquiry” into the ABC in order to privatise it you’ll be as supportive when your fellow travellers on the left go through the roof.
    Your skills as an apologist are waning, you used to do such a good job on Mao, Stalin and Castro, now you can’t even make little old Gillard and Brown sound reasonable when they just want to intimidate a couple of shitty Australian newspapers.
    P.S, I never mentioned “Murdoch”, nor Newscorp. Your Newscorp derangement is showing.

  58. Fisky

    No, the onus is on you to back up your statements with facts. You don’t actually have any evidence that Uribe has killed people for questioning him, do you?

  59. twostix

    I’m not doing your homework for you, Fisky. Pull your finger out and do it yourself.

    What, twostix, is the specific threat that governments have made to NewsLtd?

    No shame and lazy too.

  60. THR

    Yet for all that bloviating you still couldn’t avoid restating what I said: “regulation”, says it all.

    Nope. You said previously that lefties generally, and this government in particularly are ‘threatening’ NewsLtd. You still haven’t shown one shred of evidence for this. Regulation for all is not a threat to NewsLtd.

    I do hope when Abbott “opens an enquiry” into the ABC

    Howard did launch an inquiry into the ABC (albeit, not into the privatisation of it). He set up bias police and stacked the board with cronies. The ALP’s track record on this is far superior.
    Now, we’re still waiting on evidence of ‘threats’ and ‘intimidation’ to media outlets.

  61. twostix

    You don’t actually have any evidence that Uribe has killed people for questioning him, do you?

    THR likes to talk lots, and lots and lots of shit.
    If it sounds good in his head he’ll say it. If he read it in Green Left Weekly or wsws.org then it’s absolute truth.
    If it’s damaging to his “cause” he’ll denounce it as having never happened. He’d say the sun rose from the east with a straight face if he needed to.
    Good times.

  62. Michael Sutcliffe

    Regulation for all is not a threat to NewsLtd.
    That can be like saying marriage regulation is same rule for everyone so it’s perfectly fair. Gay people are just as free to get married; they just have to marry someone of the opposite sex just like everyone else.
    Or taxes are fair because it’s the same rule for everyone: if you earn $100K you pay 50% in tax, if you earn $50K you pay nothing. But it’s the same for everyone, so it’s fair.

  63. twostix

    Nope. You said previously that lefties generally, and this government in particularly are ‘threatening’ NewsLtd. You still haven’t shown one shred of evidence for this. Regulation for all is not a threat to NewsLtd

    I never said that you fucking liar.
    I said they’re threatening to give themselves power to regulate, license and review “bias” in newspapers. Which also gives them power to shutdown newspapers.
    It’s YOU who are obsessed with Newscorp.
    As though “regulation for all” is something “better” anyway! Talk about digging yourself a hole.
    And lefties generally DO want to shutdown newscorp. Even the most cursory glance at any lefty site shows that in spades.
    Got to be delusional. THR suffers Newscorp derangement syndrome, so sad.

  64. twostix

    Now, we’re still waiting on evidence of ‘threats’ and ‘intimidation’ to media outlets.

    Howard did launch an inquiry into the ABC (albeit, not into the privatisation of it). He set up bias police and stacked the board with cronies. The ALP’s track record on this is far superior.

    far superior to what??
    A not anymore it’s not, it’s in the bottom of the bin with the wet slops.
    And B. The ABC is an arm of the Government, the government can review, regulate, shutdown or lift up the ABC as it sees fit.
    As usual though a lefty can’t understand the difference between a state run media empire and private newspapers.

  65. lotocoti

    is rife with endemic criminality
    Sweet Baby Jesus.

  66. Gabrielle

    It’s heartening to see THR defend Gillard et al on this issue. I’m sure he’d defend Abbott if he suggested the same as Conroy, Brown and Gillard but directed toward the Age and their computer hacking of electoral information. For sure.

  67. THR

    That can be like saying marriage regulation is same rule for everyone so it’s perfectly fair.

    Sutcliffe,
    I’m not arguing in favour of the regulation necessarily, but I am saying that 1) the concern of twostix and co is entirely hyprocritial, and 2) mere criticism or proposals for regulation are neither an attack on free speech or the onset of dictatorship.

  68. THR

    Twocells,

    He’d say the sun rose from the east with a straight face if he needed to.

    It does indeed sound like something I’d say with a straight face.

    I never said that you fucking liar.

    Actually, you did:

    Apparently if The Australian doesn’t turn a profit it must be censored by the state, in the name of “fairness” of course.

    The internets – they have memories.

    As usual though a lefty can’t understand the difference between a state run media empire and private newspapers.

    As usual, a half-wit can’t understand the difference between the different arms of government. So the government cannot simply do what it pleases to the ABC, the police force, or the Department of Fisheries.

  69. THR

    Twocells,

    He’d say the sun rose from the east with a straight face if he needed to.

    It does indeed sound like something I’d say with a straight face.

    I never said that you fucking liar.

    Actually,you did:

    Apparently if The Australian doesn’t turn a profit it must be censored by the state, in the name of “fairness” of course.

    The internets – they have memories.

    As usual though a lefty can’t understand the difference between a state run media empire and private newspapers.

    As usual, a half-wit can’t understand the difference between the different arms of government. So the government cannot simply do what it pleases to the ABC, the police force, or the Department of Fisheries.

  70. Fisky

    And lefties generally DO want to shutdown newscorp. Even the most cursory glance at any lefty site shows that in spades.

    Well, not all of them would say so openly, but one of the most prominent Leftist bloggers in Britain, Richard Seymour (almost identical in substance to THR), recently wrote:

    Such vile, self-serving stupidity should remind us why Murdoch’s whole empire needs to be crushed.

  71. JC

    In the gran scheme of things it doesn’t really matter if da Murdoch fell under a proverbial bus and the business went under.
    The reason that leftwingers shouldn’t personalize it is that Murdoch taught the media market a huge fucking lesson.
    Instead of trying to focus all your investment in trying to capture one side of the market (the left) which is hugely over serviced, the other half never was and there is a real market for news and right wing opinion out there.
    That hasn’t gone unnoticed and even if news Corp went down, other players would spring up almost immediately.
    The left can pick on one person, but they won’t kill the right.

  72. rog

    You are obviously in damage control JC, throwing Rupert under the bus won’t save your credibility.

  73. Bingo Bango Boingo

    “Nope. You said previously that lefties generally, and this government in particularly are ‘threatening’ NewsLtd. You still haven’t shown one shred of evidence for this. Regulation for all is not a threat to NewsLtd.”
    Wake up, THR. Clearly Gillard’s noises about media regulation are a none-too-subtle threat to News Ltd to toe the line. It’s opportunistic. That said, comments here suggesting that it is Conroy’s aim to actually criminalise criticism of the current government are deranged, to saythe least.

  74. twostix

    Nope. You said previously that lefties generally, and this government in particularly are ‘threatening’ NewsLtd. You still haven’t shown one shred of evidence for this. Regulation for all is not a threat to NewsLtd.

    Actually, you did:

    Apparently if The Australian doesn’t turn a profit it must be censored by the state, in the name of “fairness” of course.

    1 + 1 = Potato?
    I said The Australian a *newspaper*, you’re foaming on at the mouth about Teh EVIL NEWSCORP (as per typical of a lefty). Reading comprehension: do you have it?

    As usual, a half-wit can’t understand the difference between the different arms of government. So the government cannot simply do what it pleases to the ABC, the police force, or the Department of Fisheries.

    Erm with control of both the House and the Senate the Howard government could have done whatever the fuck it wanted to the ABC. Unless in your typically delusional way you think the that simply because it exists an entity created by government and funded by government has a “right” to continue in perpetuity.

  75. wreckage

    How is the threat of investigation and regulation of the entire news industry NOT a threat to
    1. News Ltd
    2. Freedom of Speech and
    3. Freedom of the Press?
    How can the press be free if the government can at will, investigate and shut down any news outlet? Because licenses get revoked.

  76. twostix

    Conroy’s aim to actually criminalise criticism of the current government are deranged, to saythe least.

    If government creates a licensing scheme for newspapers and revokes or refuses to give one out to me, yet I publish a newspaper anyway what does that mean?
    Am I a criminal or not?
    The current government won’t last long enough for any policy it implements to come to fruition anyway. Even if it goes full term the ensuing political tsunami will give the incoming Coalition government carte-blanch to repeal anything and everything.

  77. wreckage

    twosticks: you’ll be in breach of the law and deserving of punishment. Then, as now, those who upohold the law will have nothing to fear.
    Good grief; the transformation of the Left into an ultra-conservative Puritan sect is complete.

  78. Viva

    comments here suggesting that it is Conroy’s aim to actually criminalise criticism of the current government are deranged, to saythe least.

    Not really – since I suspect Conroy himself is slightly deranged.

  79. wreckage

    Ah, so it’s OK to restrict news publication to government-approved sources, as long as it’s not done to silence criticism of the government.
    Good, good. Excellent. I feel much more comfortable now.

  80. Bingo Bango Boingo

    As twostix says, this is all a bit academic given the near-certainty of the ALP annihilation in two years time. But anyway Samuel J’s remarks re the criminalisation of government criticism were made in the context of defamation laws rather than newspaper licensing (indeed, the title of the post is Lèse Majesté). There is no chance that Conroy wants to criminalise government criticism in this way. To suggest so is deranged. Nevertheless, the Green spectre of newspaper licensing and ownership tests is incredibly sinister, and needs to be opposed strongly. My sense is that the Greens know that this kind of stuff won’t ever fly and that they’ll be happy if they can turn the screws on a media diversity basis (e.g. no licensing or ownership tests, but restrictions on the extent of a single media proprietor’s holdings). Hardly the end of the world.

  81. JC

    Binga says:

    (e.g. no licensing or ownership tests, but restrictions on the extent of a single media proprietor’s holdings). Hardly the end of the world.

    Oh yea, try and sell a newspaper now dickhead. It’s a direct attempt to close down Murdoch’s papers.
    However being a LP’s token you’d know think of course.

  82. JC

    oops….. you’d know this of course

  83. Bingo Bango Boingo

    Which ones you think will go under first, JC?

  84. JC

    Which ones do you think would go first, Binga?

  85. Bingo Bango Boingo

    Thought so. Better luck next time, JC.

  86. JC

    Binga
    You never answer questions.
    What are you afraid of, being laughed at? Well that happens anyway. man up for a change, if that’s possible since the sex change. is it?

  87. JC

    You’re such a fucking partisan moron, Binga.
    Duck Bum says News Ltd needs to answer “hard questions”. Conroy suggests News is agitating for “regime change”. Uncle Bob refers to them as the hate media.
    Meanwhile SMH are to the left of Labor and basically is bed with the Greens.
    Who the fuck do you think would lose out Binga. Who do you think they are gunning for?
    You token.

  88. twostix

    My sense is that the Greens know that this kind of stuff won’t ever fly and that they’ll be happy if they can turn the screws on a media diversity basis (e.g. no licensing or ownership tests, but restrictions on the extent of a single media proprietor’s holdings). Hardly the end of the world.

    I don’t think so. I think that the Greens have lived in the penultimate echo chamber for the last decade and genuinely think they have the power and the mandate to go through with these things.
    The Green Left Weekly is the de-facto media arm of the Green party. Read it and weep for this nation, they really, really are as radical as they appear.
    For Labor to get into bed with them and allow them such control, and to basically merge ideologically with them, has got to be the greatest shame any major political party in this country has *ever* brought upon themselves.

  89. wreckage

    Can you imagine the Libs seeing some of their votes go to One Nation, panicking, and effectively ideologically merging with One Nation? Pauline Hanson standing there smiling as John Howard announces that Asians Take Jobs and it’s time for strong tariff protection to grow Australian industry…

  90. wreckage

    The modern analogy would be for the Coalition to follow Katter around like lovesick puppies.

  91. Fisky

    The Green Left Weekly is the de-facto media arm of the Green party. Read it and weep for this nation, they really, really are as radical as they appear.

    This is not true. Green Left Weekly is the official publication of Resistance, a Trotskyite cult affiliated to the Democratic Socialist Party.

  92. Jim Rose

    Fisky,
    the Green Left Weekly fits came on notice on campus 20 years ago at ANU under the banner gree-left alliance.
    the far left never missed a step after the berlin wall fell. you must admire the Trots for seeing the outreach potential of the greening of left politics.

  93. .

    Binga,
    Which ones will go under? I’m an honest third party.

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