A bit of spin

The Climatic Research Unit’s raw data has been released to the public. This is how Trevor Davies – University of East Anglia’s pro-vice-chancellor for research – described the decision.

We released [the dataset] to dispel the myths that the data have been inappropriately manipulated, and that we are being secretive,” says Trevor Davies, the university’s pro-vice-chancellor for research. “Some sceptics argue we must have something to hide, and we’ve released the data to pull the rug out from those who say there isn’t evidence that the global temperature is increasing.

Here is Phil Jones talking about releasing the data.

The two MMs have been after the CRU station data for years. If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I’ll delete the file rather than send to anyone. Does your similar act in the US force you to respond to enquiries within 20 days? – our does ! The UK works on precedents, so the first request will test it. We also have a data protection act, which I will hide behind. Tom Wigley has sent me a worried email when he heard about it – thought people could ask him for his model code. He has retired officially from UEA so he can hide behind that. IPR should be relevant here, but I can see me getting into an argument with someone at UEA who’ll say we must adhere to it !

Here is how the New Scientist describes what happened (emphasis added).

The university were ordered to release data by the UK Information Commissioner’s Office, following a freedom-of-information request for the raw data from researchers Jonathan Jones of the University of Oxford and Don Keiller of Anglia Ruskin University in Cambridge, UK.

(HT: Anonymous lurker)

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16 Responses to A bit of spin

  1. Biota

    If it was so easy to pull the rug from under the sceptics by releasing this data they would have done it years ago. I wonder just how ‘raw’ the data is.

  2. johno

    If the evidance for catastrophic AGW is so convincing, why do they lie so much?

  3. Gabrielle

    Far out, Johno, there is no evidence. None.

  4. Always tell the media everything they can find out easily any other way?

    When you don’t, and then an authority forces you to, pretend it was your idea all along.

    If the evidance for catastrophic AGW is so convincing, why do they lie so much?

    They’re geeks and feel it might aid their social life to conform to mainstream society. 🙂

  5. I try to find this ‘raw data’ and I click the link and get a story that says here’s the raw data and then I click another link with a lot of links and click the first one and get…

    http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut3

    That clears up a lot of stuff for me thanks.

  6. Rafe

    I am advised that the release of the data behind the much criticised “hockey stick” model in the US is getting closer. Funny how it took so long!

  7. If it was so easy to pull the rug from under the sceptics by releasing this data they would have done it years ago. I wonder just how ‘raw’ the data is.

    They were reluctant to release the data because various countries were opposed to the data being released as it was their property. At present Poland is rather pissed off.

  8. Rococo Liberal

    At present Poland is rather pissed off.

    What, all of it?

  9. They were reluctant to release the data because various countries were opposed to the data being released as it was their property. At present Poland is rather pissed off.

    Que?? They’re pissed off because someone wants to release their data?

    How pissed off would they have been if Phil had deleted it, I wonder?

    And why didn’t Phil mention this in his email?

    FFS.

    And I don’t see Phil Jones

  10. Please ignore the fumbled last line of that comment.

  11. JC

    Dandy

    They were reluctant to release the data because various countries were opposed to the data being released as it was their property.

    It’s all nonsense. They were apssing around the data to among the team members and those immediately outside without any problems with out any problems. They’re just fucking lying as usual.

    The Climateaudit guy caught them lying about this too. Everything these fuckers do is a lie. Everything they touch ends up as dishonest bullishit.

  12. It’s all nonsense. They were apssing around the data to among the team members and those immediately outside without any problems with out any problems. They’re just fucking lying as usual.

    How are you telling me that the Director of the European Sea Level Service is lying and putting it on public record? Something that can be so easily checked. She is not a climate scientist, she is an astrophysicist. What Britain has now done is used data collected by other nations, given to it under strict guidelines as to the use of that data(for researchers, not general yobs), and hence broken a longstanding agreement.

    Yet another example of why I have little to no interest in what you lot say about this matter.

  13. SueB

    This is what I dont get, John H.

    Why would there be any objection by anyone or any nation on the release of raw data at any time. It’s data. Facts (one would hope). It’s not intellectual property. No-one had to think it up.

    Unless there is something WRONG with how the data is gathered, or the data is falsified, there can surely be no problem with it being available to all.

    Not just clique ridden, jealous MMCC rent-seekers.

  14. It’s not intellectual property.

    What you don’t understand is what you don’t understand. To create an argument based on a lack of understanding is absurd. Prior agreements have been made, are you asking governments to dishonour those agreements? The person I referred too has fought strenuously for the openness of data but you have to respect peoples’ right to intellectual property. Scientists, govts, and corporations withhold data all the time. Data is intellectual property. If you don’t think so then ask RP Data, the most comprehensive property database in the country, to release all their data.

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