Government owned media organisation bans government critic

Andrew Bolt is reporting that the Australian Broadcasting Corporation – a wholly owned and controlled agency of the Australian federal government – has banned Glenn Milne from appearing on their premier political show Insiders.

This is absolutely outrageous – Insiders can be contacted here.

(HT: Andrew Bolt, title suggested by Scott)

Update: I have received an email from a high ABC executive suggesting

You ascribed motives to us which do not exist, and misrepresented our actions and the reasons for them.

In return I offered that the person write a reply setting out the ABC position that I would then publish here at the Cat. The individual declined my kind right of reply offer* but has spoken to the MSM. This story has a long way to go and will be raised in any forthcoming media inquiry.

* Remember this is blog, everyone has the right of reply. The offer remains open and would be a post in itself.

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186 Responses to Government owned media organisation bans government critic

  1. Greyfield

    I have just emailed the ABC. I expressed my view that they are doing Julia Gillard’s bidding. They really do not care about my opinion because they continue to receive their annual funding from the government whether Labor of Liberal. The ABC does not care whether they have a 100,000 viewers or 10 – they are merely rent seekers.

  2. duncan

    I don’t think theres much doubt in this.. Milne has vanished from the Insiders web page.

    here one day, gone the next

  3. skeptic

    Hi.

    Will Mediawatch be covering the fact that a government funded media outlet has banned someone from appearing on one of its shows at the behest of the current government?

    Is this in the public interest?
    Are we Venezuela or Cuba?
    If the ABC is not acting in the public interest, why should it continue to receive public funds?
    If the ABC is at the beck and call of the ALP – perhaps it would like to be funded directly by the ALP and by them only?

    I look forward to your answers to my questions.

    Regards

  4. James

    Thank god! Milne is not so much a journalist as a press officer for the liberal party. If they get rid of Piers Akerman then we might have a reasonable and balanced show. To bad Bolt went, he can be shrill, but made some intelligent points, unlike Milne and Akerman.

  5. So a government funded organisation can now dictate who shall have an opinion…..welcome to Venezuela comrades.

  6. Infidel Tiger

    What would the ABC fetch on the open market? All those radio towers would have to be worth something as scrap metal.

  7. JC

    you know, i wouldn’t be at all shocked if this government doesn’t try doing something to the next election to prevent defeat.

    Everything is now up for grabs I reckon.

  8. twostix

    Statist, leftist infiltrated state broadcaster does the personal bidding of the statist, leftist party.

    Fancy that.

    They dig their own hole and go to the wall for this dead government walking?

  9. John Comnenus

    The whole filthy stench of the ALP and its Union mates is wafting over everything. Surely there are some adults in Labor that can stop this woman. Or maybe they are all falling in behind her because all the filth is leaking out slowly and so many of them are involved.

  10. Peter Patton

    Good riddance to bad rubbish. The Poisonous Dwarf is an oleaginous tool, and a godsend to manufacturers of TV remote controls.

  11. Yes PP

    There shall be no opinion unless you approve of it, but what if it was me doing the censoring?

    Would you still be an arrogant twat then?

  12. squawkbox

    Yes, PP, he was rather boring and his adoration of Peter Costello was ridiculous, but I doubt those were the reasons the ABC ditched him.

  13. C.L.

    Surely there are some adults in Labor that can stop this woman.

    No, there aren’t. I wish people would stop this Good Germans meme (and Simon Crean meme) about how the ALP has been taken over by criminals, thugs and mediocrities and is just a ballsy aspirant away from redemption. The Labor Party is rotten from head to tail – like a stinking, dead fish.

  14. C.L.

    As I said on the OT, somebody (a journalist – I know: LOL) has to ask the ABC the following question: did Julia Gillard or anybody associated with the government or the office of the ‘prime minister’ contact the ABC about Milne?

  15. JC

    What would the ABC fetch on the open market?

    It has around 25% of the media market I think. Put a figure on how much it could make if you cut down all the crap like Da Drum and ABC 24hour news.

    I reckon it could spew out say $300 million a year in EBITA. Stick a multiple of around 7 times and you could probably say somewhere around just slightly north of $2 billion.

    The guess work would be the of course the advertising revenue and how much that could rake in. However I think they could do $300 million per year or slightly more. However anyone can make a reasonable guess of its potential EBITA and perhaps mine is too low, however I wouldn’t pay more than 7 times earnings, as there’s a lot of shit going on with the internet.

  16. did Julia Gillard or anybody associated with the government or the office of the ‘prime minister’ contact the ABC about Milne?

    I’ve emailed this question to the abc, i’m not expecting a response.

  17. John Comnenus

    CL, I agree that the ALP is almost a criminal enterprise. If it was in the USA it would be subject to rackateering charges. I used to think the ALP was full of hard bastards or adults. I wouldn’t imagine that they would stop Julia for anything other than to save the party. But I was wrong, their inability to get anything right is because they are stupid, and a large number seem to be criminals.

    Abbott should go the jugular on the ALP and announce a Royal Commission into all Union financial and funds management, from the local branch too the ACTU. This would bring them out in all their ugliness and Abbott could run a reverse work choices campaign to save the workers from their criminal union bosses.

  18. I have emailed them expressing my displeasure.

  19. Lazlo

    Thanks for the link. I have e-mailed them. Please, everyone else here take the time to do so.

  20. Pedro of Adelaide

    Some background info by Glenn Milne

  21. C.L.

    I’ve emailed this question to the abc, i’m not expecting a response.

    Good work, Carpe. Let us know what you hear back.

  22. Peter Patton

    When is the Court expected to bring down its decision in the White Aborigines vs Bolt case?

  23. chris

    He is a discredited journalist-he hardly has a shining record- a kneejerk reaction, sure, but hardly unwarranted

  24. Dr Right

    Here is my email:

    Dear Sir or Madam,

    I am writing to protest your cutting of Glenn Milne from the Insiders. Can you please explain why he has been cut? Is this a result of pressure from the PM after Glenn Milne ran an article critical of her? Isn’t the ABC suppose to be an independent media outlet and provide balanced reporting on issues?

    I look forward to your response.

    Yours sincerely

  25. Emailing the ABC won’t get anything done. It is a bit like emailing the Vatican requesting that their wayward priests stop molesting children, or asking the Mafia to stop all corruption.

    I emailed Tony Abbott months ago requesting that when in power he should set up an inquiry into the ABC biased reporting.

    I think his office will take notice if sufficient numbers email them in this respect.

  26. Michael Packi

    Is it possible that a future coalition government could shut the ABC down?

  27. Biota

    JC

    you know, i wouldn’t be at all shocked if this government doesn’t try doing something to the next election to prevent defeat.

    Everything is now up for grabs I reckon.

    I’ve been thinking the same thing. I’m sure that they think they have put all the right people in place for control. I think that’s one reason the court judgement hurt so much. It was unexpected because the judges were supposed to be theirs.

  28. lotocoti

    25% is too high.
    Their metro share (TV) is maybe 15% on a good week.
    They’d lose most of their best rating BBC content in an open market bidding war.
    A good chunk of their metro news (TV) raw content relies upon good will from the rest of us because they’re non-commercial competitors. There’d be a weeping and a gnashing of teeth throughout news rooms across the land when they become “beholden to commercial interests”.
    The radio network could be a good earner, TV not so much.

  29. Token

    I’ve emailed this question to the abc, i’m not expecting a response.

    Good work, Carpe. Let us know what you hear back.

    It is worth doing as therapy, but that poisonous culture is not going to change based upon protests from its customers.

    I expect we’ve all received those, we received your note but we don’t give a crap as we are not accountable to you f**kwits letters.

    I remember writing to Offsiders after Gideon Haigh, Barry Cassidy and the rest of the Metro-sexuals were crowing about John Howard being turned down by the ICC due to his “racist path”.

    I wrote a caustic letter noting asking the panel to substantiate what the racism was they were referring to – direct quotes, and how it was that they avoided the topic of entrenched corruption within the ICC.

    The f**kyou form letter I received made clear they do not have the capacity to back down / change.

  30. Apoxonbothyourhouses

    Well done PP. When you have nothing to say of value attack the man. Whether Milne is tall / dwarfish / fat / thin / green / brown or white is immaterial to the subject. Try to be constrcutive next time.

  31. Que

    I’ve written to the ABC. I can’t believe this is happening in this country. Will Barry come to Glenn’s defense?

    I have a fantasy that all three journalists on today provide a protest to Milne’s sacking as their ‘final comments’

  32. MarkL of Canberra

    You hit the nail on the head Token. I normally watch Insiders – the last thing I DO regularly watch on ABC (although I do not watch it when David Marr is on). If this issue is not addressed today, today could quite literally be the last time I watch ABC. Even their news is crap. SBS has better coverage with the same steaming helping of bias, so why not watch that?

    Everything else is available for purchase over the net – like 15 seasons of ‘Time Team’.

    The ABC should be privatised.

    Mk50
    Brisbane

    [Edited. MarkL none of that that please. Sinc]

  33. ar

    Might be worth watching the start of Insiders to see how they explain Milne’s absence…

    Or can someone else (with a stronger stomach) do it and tell us here?

  34. Jazza

    Is this a jihad against only News Ltd jouros?

    I seem to recall while Gillard allegedly was ranting at Hartigan and Mitchell, that the Age’s Tony Wright (I think it was he) ran the story of Milne’s piece, virtually repeating what had offended our First Lady in a News Ltd publication

    However, i didn’t read that Fairfax editors or Wright wore the same censure

    The ABC could look to its own hypocrisy by employing its FIRST non Labor hack journalist for its news type presentations.

    Insiders? now and forever Outsiders for many Australians.

  35. ontoyou

    Just left the following on Insiders website:

    “I don’t expect an answer to this email. Lord knows, I have written to Insiders before complaining of the program’s appalling left-leaning bias and the protection of this incompetent Government – to which I have not received even a ‘generic’ reply.

    I am writing to express my concern that your producers have now decided to muzzle free speech in this country if that speech is critical of the Gillard government. What Milne wrote is freely available online and has been written before.

    My only consolation is that even with ‘my’ ABC cheering on for this totally incompetent PM and equally incompetent government, both will still be voted into oblivion at the next election. In our fishwife PM’s very own eloquent words … “Bring it on!”

  36. lawrie

    I watched Insiders when I could up until 2007. After the election it became so one sided I had to leave.

  37. Minister for Truth

    Isnt this what everyone in the west used to criticise the USSR mouth piece Pravda for.

    Now also know, how and why, the ABC has been so pro the GW warmanistas academics eg Steffen, Karoly et al…. also being paid out of the public purse.

  38. Gravelly

    This government stinks, this PM stinks, the ABC stinks!

  39. .

    The LDP has a solution

    http://www.ldp.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1146:deregulate-and-privatise&catid=101:policies&Itemid=290

    Privatisation

    The LDP supports the privatisation policies of ALP and Coalition governments over the past 20 years.

    We believe this process should continue, and support an immediate end to state and federal ownership of the following:

    The ABC
    SBS
    Australia Post
    Medibank Private
    Electricity generation corporations
    Bus, ferry and rail services

    Over time, we would also favour privatising:

    Government owned TAFE colleges
    Government owned Universities
    Most government owned public schools
    Most government owned public hospitals
    Government land and buildings that are not earmarked for specific Government use

    In some of the cases listed above the LDP would seek to retain public funding by way of vouchers or some similar funding mechanism that empowers consumer choice.

    We do not believe the main purpose of privatisation is to make money for the government. Rather, its purpose is to improve the efficiency of the economy.

    Therefore the process for moving these entities out of state and federal government ownership would vary and may include privatisation via the share market, transfers to local community groups and the gifting of shares (or their proceeds) to all Australians.

    A public share give-away is an attractive means of transferring public assets directly to Australian adult citizens. It clearly shows the purpose of privatisation is to shift economic control into the hands of individuals, not to raise money for government. The approach is also more equitable and lets all Australians share in the benefits of privatisation.

    While a public give-away would not be viable for all public assets, it should be considered for some organisations. The deciding factor in each case would be the ongoing viability of each operating entity as well as consultation with the key stakeholders.

    Privatising the ABC

    The privatisation of the ABC is a high priority and a perfect candidate for a share give-away to the people. If New Zealand is able to live without a national government-owned broadcaster, then so can Australia.

    The ABC today includes TV stations, radio stations, retail outlets, book publishing (over 120 titles each year), magazines, videos and DVDs, contemporary music and logo licensing. Each one of these has commercial competitors and there is absolutely no reason why the government should be involved in any of these industries.

    Many people take a conservative approach and are afraid of change, but privatising the ABC is necessary not just on efficiency grounds but also for equity reasons. More Australians pay for ABC TV and radio than watch or listen to it. Only a minority of Australians, generally well educated with higher incomes, use the ABC. Consequently, continued corporate welfare to the ABC is a subsidy provided by taxpayers to higher income earners.

    The ABC not only loses money (about $800 million per year or $80 per taxpayer) but is also losing the ratings war as it is less popular than commercial alternatives. Those who insist that the ABC is actually “better” are in effect criticising the majority of Australians for preferring the other channels.

    Once privatised, the ABC would stop costing the taxpayer money and become directly answerable to its owners and audiences. This is a benefit to both the taxpayer and the consumer.

    If it really is “our ABC”, then give it to us. And if ownership implies the ability to control your asset, we should be free to choose whether we keep or sell our share in it.

  40. jupes

    Insiders about to start.

    Will they mention Milne?

    If they do, will they mention the part of his article which was incorrect or treat the whole thing as a lie?

    Will Abbott take up more airtime than the government?

    So many questions…

  41. WB

    Well, it’s Sunday morning and they’ve got La Crabb and La Marr. Couldn’t see the third, presumably conservative voice, but with those two what’s the point?

  42. Denny Crane

    John Comnenus – I think they need to go one further and examine the union dealings with Industry Superannuation funds. This is an elephant in the room that no mainstream journalist has twigged to yet.

    Shorten is determined to destroy any competition to union funds and is happy that financial advisers will be cut completely from the market. He doesn’t care about the thousands of people who will lose their jobs or that many will be sent to the wall. he doesn’t even care about the average punter. All he is concerned with is eliminating competition and making union funds stronger.

    What sort of power will the unions be able to assert if they control more than 50% of financial markets in australia.

    This is going to be scary.

  43. Brisfem

    Govt forgets the ABC propaganda channel is funded by the taxpayer.

    I for one do not watch ABC and the pure crap it spews out in the name of our Socliast/Marxist govt.

  44. CrabbandMarr, on “Insiders”, bent over backwards to exculpate Gillard by suggesting that a story which questions the PM’s competence, judgement, and alleged tendency to condone criminality is somehow “a non-story”.

  45. Gravelly

    Apparently my previous post, now removed, was “on the nose” so to speak!

    May I rephrase it: Something stinks in the state of ALP/ABC!

  46. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    JC and Biota, yep, I also think this stinking government could try to pull some crapping little rabbits out of a union money box come the election. They’ll try anything. I get really worried about it. I’m thinking it might be a good idea to make some prophylactic bunny stew soon using their bigger bunnies. They’re already McCarthying the media and shovelling people into psych wards to shut them up.

  47. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    JC and Biota, yep, I also think this stinking government could try to pull some crapping little rabbits out of a union money box come the election. They’ll try anything. I get really worried about it. I’m thinking it might be a good idea to make some prophylactic bunny stew soon using their bigger bunnies. They’re already McCarthying the media and shovelling people into psych wards to shut them up.

  48. big dumb fu

    There will be no election under the government I lead.

  49. Sandy

    If the ABC removed Milne because of his opinion, it is positively scary. Go away Gillard, you are a blight on our whole way of life and core values!!!

  50. nic

    I wonder whether Marr will write a paper denouncing the squashing of dissent under a Gillard Government? I mean Milne was only a co-guest on a show Marr regularly appears on.

  51. nic

    Actually, Marr’s original rant is both funny and amazingly hypocritical given recent events:

  52. manalive

    It was Marr, after protracted research, broke the shocking and highly relevant exposé that, far from being a modest hard-working garage owner, John Howard’s father Lyall was actually a copra plantation owner using native slave labour.

  53. Insiders is obviously and explicitly an arm of the ALP public relations machine. Doubtless they all see themselves participating in the ‘good fight’. I add that the tone of debate has been lowered by News Ltd’s tactics which are largely excused because privately owned.

    The rub there is that it whilst private ownership does excuse the News Ltd’s lower common denominator strategy and its explicitly partisan propaganda it cannot excuse the ABC which as a public broadcaster must serve the population at large.

    The Left have forgotten a strategically vital fact and that is that the public patronage of Australian culture has long been tolerated by powerful Establishment allies because of its quality. In exchange a certain shade of pink is tolerated. Artists are almost always lefty quacks what can you do?

    We now have arguments that the classical music tradition that has existed in this country since it came into being is no longer a legitimate concern of public patronage because ‘elite’. It is elite and that is why it should be subsidized. There are benefits in classical music and it is important that children can at least be exposed to it once.

    The Left at LP have told me off and decried Beethoven. Who else here thinks that Beethoven is over-rated asked Mark asks and they all chime in with me, me-too.

    Well that’s their problem. They have different notions of what should be subsidized the ‘avant-garde’ comes up a lot. They forget that whilst ‘classical music’ might make sense to most people and be passionately promoted by, yes, an ‘elite’ composed of those who care. Wealthy people who regularly contribute from their own pockets to create public events like the S. Myer summer gigs.

    They also don;t realize that where there’s a teeming rock culture there’s viscous and very free market. And that whilst classical music might not survive that sort of jungle, the new stuff benefits from it. They have forgotten what it means: the free exchange of ideas.

  54. C.L.

    By News Ltd’s “tactics” and “partisan propaganda,” do you mean reporting on the government’s multiple, undeniable screw-ups? I can’t think what else you mean.

  55. Bye bye democracy. Hello dictatorship. Whether you agree with Milne or not, when you censure free speech, you cease to be democratic. That should worry all of us.

  56. Toxic

    It was Marr, after protracted research, broke the shocking and highly relevant exposé that, far from being a modest hard-working garage owner, John Howard’s father Lyall was actually a copra plantation owner using native slave labour.

    I suppose it’s relevant because it was something that Howard’s father did before Howard was born, a scheme in which many ex-Servicemen participated with scant knowledge of the practices employed by the firms managing the plantations on their behalf. You can just smell the ‘relevance’.

  57. .

    Maybe we can try Marr for any war crimes etc committed by his ancestors using 1700s style punishments. Sounds fair to me.

  58. I can’t think what else you mean.

    Wow! Really? You can’t mean it. 🙂

  59. JC

    Well, it’s Sunday morning and they’ve got La Crabb and La Marr. Couldn’t see the third, presumably conservative voice, but with those two what’s the point?

    Conservatives should refuse to go on the program anymore.

  60. I suppose it’s relevant because it was something that Howard’s father did before Howard was born

    It’s relevant because it adds some gritty depth to the picture of L. Howard esq garage-owning church goer and ex-Digger allroun’ top bloke.

    Most of the piece concerns a little bit of Aussie imperialism, veterans, including Howard’s dad were offered generous terms. Most of ’em got fleeced.

    It smears by association, makes Howard Sr more of a play than he actually was, but it’s news.

  61. winnedge

    So amazed at the ABC. So taken aback that they actually did this to Milne without showing any signs of “shutting down free speech” or “critics of government shut down” crossing their minds of how it would look?

    DId they not understand the big picture?
    Are they truly so politically naive to not get it?

    Or are they so left leaning that their own personal agendas and subjective views of the world overwhelm probably the most important rules of journalism?

    Either way – it is concerning.

    It also graphically underlines and highlights the bias that the ABC has blatantly shown us with the audience, question and panelist on QandA, The refusal to give their audiences a fair and balanced treatment regarding AGW, their fawning over Bob Brown and the Australian Greens and failing to put them under any type of scrutiny (with one notable exception). I could go on but I am sure that most readers will already know this.

    The lower viewers that the ABC receive surely reflect their failure to represent more accurately the views, opinions and political stance of the tax paying public who are funding the ABC through increasingly gritted teeth.

    Any media enquiry would also have to look at this aspect of the ABC. I am sure that they would be found to be far more politically bias than any of the News Ltd media!

  62. miner

    Emailed the Insiders site: Government broadcaster bans government critic. Rather the approach one would expect from Soviet Russia, isn’t this?

  63. C.L.

    Wow! Really?

    Yes! Really. The Australian endorsed Labor the last two elections. What the hell are you talking about? News Ltd didn’t make up this government’s epochal incompetence.

  64. C.L.

    Re Sinclair’s update, we’ll take that as possible yes, they did speak to someone in the government.

  65. C.L.

    The government should also be asked to release the Solicitor-General’s convenient weekend ‘advice’ that Nauru is now impossible.

  66. Now The Australian endorsed Gillard too? Endorsed? Did they? Ya reckon? Wholehearted for she’s jolly good sheila long may she reign?

    Why’d ya think that? Because they didn’t refer to her officially as Duckbum the first Bogan Queen of ‘Straya? Or maybe even ‘Commie Bitch’ or some such? 🙂

  67. Tomgg

    Very Serious ABC guy doesn’t know when to use “which” and when to use “that”.

  68. Tal

    Nannabel and Marr nearly popped a godamn blood vessel this morning

  69. DrBeauGan

    My understanding of the left narrative is that DuckBum had a dummy-spit’n’ rant at News Limited a) because she could and b) because she wanted an unappealing past to stay dark. The ABC removed Milne because he is a sleazy toad, and they are already way over their sleazy toad quota.

    The right narrative is that DuckBum was pressuring News Limited and the ABC improperly.

    Being fair to DuckBum is an effort, but for me conspiracy theories have to be rejected in favour of cock-up theories unless there is solid evidence. And there isn’t any.

  70. wreckage

    The editor of the Australian strongly supported Rudd and was supportive of Gillard as well, Adrien, on a policy-by-policy basis. Not wholeheartedly, for sure, but they were a long way from being right-wing attack dogs.

    I add that the tone of debate has been lowered by News Ltd’s tactics which are largely excused because privately owned.

    The rub there is that it whilst private ownership does excuse the News Ltd’s lower common denominator strategy and its explicitly partisan propaganda

    Adrien: I liked your overall comment, but for my money the real problem is if News Ltd fails to meet my standards I can stop buying their stuff. I am compelled by law to buy the ABC’s stuff via funds from taxation.

    Now, I’d buy ABC 2/ ABC 4 in a heartbeat, the kids love it. I also like the national News Radio service, and I’d pay for that too. The rest, however?

  71. JC

    When the ABC say they didn’t receive any pressure to fire Milne, i would say that is plausibly true.

    That however doesn’t say anything about the partisan nature of the firing or that the ABC was doing what is expected from its political arm.

    If Milne is sleazy, he was sleazy before this episode and the media wing of the ALP saw fit to have him on.

    The right narrative is that DuckBum was pressuring News Limited and the ABC improperly

    Of course the deranged slapper is pressuring News. On the same day fascist Alliance leader, Uncle Bob was reminding everyone there will be a parliamentary vote for a media inquiry, which is basically an attempt to emulate Chavez methods in controlling the media.

    There will be an “inquiry” that will attempt to destroy News media assets in the country through divestiture.

  72. JC

    The editor of the Australian strongly supported Rudd and was supportive of Gillard as well, Adrien, on a policy-by-policy basis.

    The Australian is playing the same tricks Fairfax play.

    That is the editorial leans one way while the op-ed leans the opposite. It’s just a trick to imply non-partisanship. No one should fall for it, as it’s bullshit.

    I would expect that sort of game from Fairfax because they are dishonest and stupid to the core, but News, especially the OZ, shouldn’t be playing those games.

    Having said that though, they are free to pursue any political position they want to choose, or at least until Chavez media laws are imposed by the ALP and their fascist Alliance partners.

    Uncle Bob seems to have a serious character flaw, which is that he holds grudges. The grudge is as result of the Oz editorial that suggested the Greens should be destroyed at the ballot box because they are a malignant tumor on the Australian political landscape. The editorial stopped short of calling them fascists, which is what they really are.

    From then on uncle Bob has been on one of his flamboyant media jihads referring to News as the hate media. Some of his interviews have been absolutely over the top hysterical. His intention is to do them in. Of course, in terms of his political calculations the Green fascist party won’t take any political heat if News is destroyed because their supporters essentially agree with him and have no interest in the right of free speech. If there is political fallout it will be felt by their alliance partners- the ALP. So all in all destroying News wouldn’t hurt the fascist Greens at all and in fact could help them.

    This is why I think it’s imperative that the Libs should play absolute hardball on this one and take no prisoners, as the ALP needs to be taught a serious lesson. There should be no ambiguity that if News is wrecked in some way, the libs will send Fairfax to the wall and wreck the ABC to the point where the senior heads will be gone: every single one of them.

  73. DrBeauGan

    JC, I would agree that she is capable of letting her displeasure be known, and leave it to News Limited to infer possible consequences. But that isn’t illegal. Arguably corrupt of course.

    I think the problem, both with the ABC and with the gummint is that there is no need for a conspiracy. There is a whole culture of moral and intellectual sleaze. Much the same applies to the AGW club. Manne being attracted to them speaks volumes.

  74. JC

    They will try to gut News, as they see it as the prime reason they are in this mess. And at this point what do they have to lose. They are also very vindictive.

    The two indeps.. the bobbsey twins..will vote with them in the lower house as a form of payback and of course there are the fascists and anti-semites in the senate holding the balance of power.

    The only way to stop it is to show them that if they tried this on, the libs will send Fairfax to the wall and essentially gut the ABC… All their allies… Tony Jones, barrie Cassidy that ilk will be fired one way or another.

  75. C.L.

    What was David Marr complaining about, Tal?

  76. Toxic

    The only way to stop it is to show them that if they tried this on, the libs will send Fairfax to the wall and essentially gut the ABC…

    Gut it? Why not just flog it off to the highest bidder, let him clean out the rot and use the money to pay off the debt on a school hall or two?

  77. JC

    It would be a piece of cake to send Fairfax to the wall anyway.

    They have $2 billion of debt to around $5billion in shareholders equity of which around $1.5 billion of that is useless intangibles. So they are quite highly leveraged and their bankers have essentially put them on an assets selling program to repay debt. Scare the bankers a little, force the asset selling into a fire sale and Fairfax is gonsky.

  78. Jc

    You gut to cause the most amount of pain to the ABC left. Selling it would allow them to keep their jobs.

  79. Jc

    If you sold it to da murdoch it wouldn’t solve the fact that next time around the left will attempt to steal it off News or do something to damage the asset.

    It also needs to be done to appear apolitical but with the intention of destroying it.

  80. Tal

    Glen Milne Lad,digging up dirt yadda yadda,Nannabel was cranky too

  81. DrBeauGan

    What this country needs is a Malevolent Right-Wing Bastards Party to balance the Green-ALP coalition. I vote JC for president. (That is respect for your position, JC, not disapproval. Maybe it would be a good idea to change the name though.)

  82. Tal

    Hey Dr what about us bitches?

  83. DrBeauGan

    Call me Bo. You’re right Tal, I was being sexist. Again.

    How about the Live Free or Kill Party?

  84. DrBeauGan

    We could cheerfully take up the most extravagant positions with a clear conscience in the name of balance. And we still would’t come within cooee of the Seppo loony right. And hey, we might win government.

  85. .

    Dr BG

    I was on the way to work and joked to myself that there should be a pro coal seam gas lobby. Now there is.

    The left are so revolting now that these things are putting themselves together it would seem, as so many people are pissed off.

  86. daddy dave

    KC

    It also needs to be done to appear apolitical but with the intention of destroying it

    One mechanism is to propose a merger between ABC and SBS into a new entity. On the surface, “hey what’s all the panic for? We’re just merging two fantastic assets together.”
    But Then you build the new entity from the ground up, making it a much smaller operation in total.

  87. Ivan Denisovich

    Bolt asks if Milne is banned why isn’t Ellis?

    Is the difference that Ellis merely slimed a Liberal politician, while Milne alarmed a Labor one?

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/abc_confirms_it_was_what_milne_said_about_gillard/

  88. DrBeauGan

    Dot, our platform should be based on cheap energy and charging the loony left with treason. Hanging them from lamp-posts might be a bit over the top. We should consider it but reject it on grounds of hygiene.

  89. DrBeauGan

    And in case there is any doubt, I have a frivolous nature but am monumentally oissed off with ‘progressives’.

  90. Stonemason

    Bogan sounds like Tillman. Sounds like my babysitter.

  91. That is the editorial leans one way while the op-ed leans the opposite. It’s just a trick to imply non-partisanship. No one should fall for it, as it’s bullshit.

    Very true.

  92. DrBeauGan

    Not Tilman, not Sando and I only sit on babies when they annoy me.

  93. JC

    Because of Lol Lyndon’s Monday ratings report, I watched Bolt today. IT was actually a pretty decent program.

  94. Gab

    lol Adrien, except it was goats.

  95. .

    Goats? Jesus they’re just too messy and too damned hard to photoshop out of things.

    Amatuers.

  96. Gab

    🙂 I’ll take your word for it, Dot.

  97. nic

    Was thinking the same thing MarkL

  98. DrBeauGan

    Jeez, and there’s me claiming a frivolous nature. I dips me lid to the masters.

  99. M Ryutin

    This has reached a very bad stage and the case of Milne is but a minor part of it – as has been pointed out, the ABC does not seem to take such a line very often, if at all – but taken in the context of what has been happening all over the world in the attack on the commercial interests of the Murdoch media, a free press should be starting to worry about the implications for true free speech.

    We have front groups like Getup, its puppet ‘newsstand’, its founder Avaaz and the Getup/Newstand admitted-advisor Media Matters for America – see:- http://www.smh.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/poll-shows-support-for-media-regulation-inquiry-20110811-1iox0.html.

    However, far more important than all that is the news from AFR that the actual cabinet of an Australian government has an official debate on how to attack a news organisation from which it receives criticism.

    Some governments have boycotted news organisations by withholding government advertising but to discuss actual attacks at cabinet level? I feel that the only similar case in memory of a western world democratic government doing that was in the corrupt Nixon years in the USA and his “enemies list”.

    When I see the direct interference in a supposedly open tender for an Australian TV service to Asia, the possibility of a direct government decision to have a media enquiry directed solely at affecting the commercial interests of a single media organisation, I wonder when the penny will drop for the non-Murdoch media groups at present on the sidelines?

  100. DrBeauGan

    Do you have a link to the AFR article, M Ryutin?

    [Here – subscription required. Sinc]

  101. ken n

    “I wonder when the penny will drop for the non-Murdoch media groups at present on the sidelines?”

    Soon, I think.

  102. entropy

    So how about this:
    given the recent diversification of media, Abbott decides that there will be a review of government owned media. Only fair if la gillardine and her deputy* think it reasonable to conduct an inquiry against inconvenient and troublesome media proprietors.

    The justification would be to examine the relevance of the ABC charter today, and the need for it to be updated. Given the increasing diversity of media sources and the the proliferation of FTA television and radio. Print media, of course, is not relevant to this review as the ABC and SBS do not provide print media.

    the TOR could look at the management of SBS and ABC to look at making them more efficient: with multiple FTA nowadays allowing the provision of kiddies shows, multi culti and European p0rn under the one management.

    It could also look at ways to give the taxpayer better say in the running of the ABC/SBS through clearer and more transparent ownership: how about demutualising both of them, with shares issued to every taxpayer. They could then get a say at the annual AGM.

    *I disagree with JC that Bob is a fascist. His philosophy is not sufficiently coherent for that. He is more a useful idiot for those using his party as a stalking horse, who definitely are stalinist.

  103. Token

    I did a search earlier to find the excuse the ABC gave for cutting Milne lose. In addition to reading some BS at Vex that the ABC got rid of him to replace his $250k salary for an intern at $40k, I found the twitter label for this is – #ItsHerABC.

    As if the ABC made such rational decisions. They would’ve given the extremely unproductive Red Kerry whom Hendo pointed out took over 3 months a year off, years ago.

  104. JC

    entropy:

    I don’t see how that would be much of a punishment for what they’ve done. There needs to be serious reprisal and elevated payback for what they’ve done or are threatening to do.

    The left only understand two things power and fear. The reprisals have to be harsh enough and significantly escalated that they will never try this shit again.

  105. Rex

    Has the question been answered that anyone from the Govmt contacted the ABC to take this action?

    Or is this a circle jerk based on implication?

  106. daddy dave

    Has the question been answered that anyone from the Govmt contacted the ABC to take this action?

    either way.
    If YES, then the government are a bunch of immoral vandals.
    If NO, then the ABC is pushing a poltical agenda without anyone telling it to.

    So, choose your poison.

  107. daddy dave

    By the way, Rex, it’s in the ABC’s interest right now to convince people that they were made to do it. Because if this was an idea they cooked up all on their own, then they are fucked when the Lib/Nats get in.

    No amount of squealing about ‘public good’ will stop the carnage.

  108. daddy dave

    Interesting. Sunderland replied in the comments thread. Here’s Alan Sunderland’s reply to Bolt:

    Andrew, can I respectfully suggest that if you have genuine questions for the ABC you ask them? The process of reaching your conclusions and THEN demanding information does you little credit. There was NO contact of any kind between the Government and the ABC over this matter. We have no interest at all in what the Prime Minister or anyone else thinks of Glenn Milne; our interest is solely in maintaining the editorial integrity of our programming.
    The legal and editorial issues surrounding Mr Milne’s work caused his own employer to remove it, acknowledge major and fundamental errors, and apologise. It should not be surprising in that context that the ABC would choose not to involve him as a guest columnist on a live program.
    I am particularly disappointed that you would accuse us of closing down debate on Insiders, when you of all people know the commitment of that program team to ensuring a wide range of contributors are consistently included. Our regular invitations to you personally were always attacked by your political opponents, but the ABC has always sought to make sound editorial decisions, not political ones. I am disappointed that you appear to have forgotten that so quickly, and that you rush to smear the ABC without the slightest attempt to seek out the facts

  109. Rex

    Well then it seems to have been responded to quite well. Milne seems to think that he is the news, much the same as Bolt. I think he took the ‘insiders’ tag too seriously.

  110. Sinclair Davidson

    The legal and editorial issues surrounding Mr Milne’s work caused his own employer to remove it, acknowledge major and fundamental errors, and apologise. It should not be surprising in that context that the ABC would choose not to involve him as a guest columnist on a live program.

    Maybe one of our legal residents can explain why this isn’t a secondary boycott?

  111. Token

    On that basis, why is Marieke Hardy an employee of the ABC?

    1. The offensive things she has directly written about politicians on the Drum.

    2. Comments like glassing people on twitter.

    Strict editorial guidelines my arse.

    Bob Ellis has also been mentioned. The standards of the ABC are implemented when it is convenient.

    That said, to use the words endlessly mouthed by the crew on Insiders, sacking someone based upon their actions in another workplace is just not a good look.

  112. daddy dave

    I just keep coming back to the title of this thread. “Government owned media organisation bans government critic.” That’s the bottom line here.

    And all the whining about how good they are, and look how unbiased they are, for allowing Bolt to grace the ABC studios so many times. Give me a break.

    They let Bolt through the door with clenched teeth.

  113. Token

    Gavin Atkins article, as referred to by Bolt notes how other Insider regulars have committed similar or worse errors, just not to the PM.

    Strangely enough, they remain on the panel.

    As they are saying on Twitter, It’s Her ABC.

  114. JC

    Rexinald asks.

    Has the question been answered that anyone from the Govmt contacted the ABC to take this action?

    They say the Government didn’t contact them, Rex. This is hardly the story and as Dad says they were better off if they suggested they were cowered by the government because this isn’t going to end well for them.

    In fact I can say that if you want to name the day the ABC wrote it’s own death notice it’s today.

    They’re gone. They just don’t know it yet.

    Anyone here can rationalize this all the like. However there’s no reason to present any examples of the inconsistencies in their story. Fuck’em. It’s now past that point.

    As the say the debate is over.

  115. JC

    I really don’t know why any of you guys even bother to highlight the ABC’s dishonesty and hypocrisy.

    Not if but when the Libs get in and they don’t do something about our ABC in terms of gutting it to the point that it becomes dysfunctional they are not worth supporting.

    Call your local lib MP and tell them.

  116. Rex

    Can anyone point me out what is stopping the govmnt from splitting the ABC up into say, newsy parts, sporty parts, for the kids, overseas etc?

    There are parts that are certainly worthwhile, anzac parade, b1&b2, international programming is quite good

  117. JC

    Can anyone point me out what is stopping the govmnt from splitting the ABC up into say, newsy parts, sporty parts, for the kids, overseas etc?

    There’s no point. You gut it to the point where it’s dysfunctional. The public will be able to get their entertainment from the commercial stations or an unrecognizable ABC.

    There are parts that are certainly worthwhile, anzac parade, b1&b2, international programming is quite good

    That will be the only things worthwhile after it stomach is ripped out.

    There are serious lessons to be learnt here.

  118. Just in case this hyperventilating crowd missed it:

    Milne defended the column yesterday, saying he did not regret writing it.

    ”I think you’ve got to have a go at these things and we’re in the political domain here. This is a public figure issue, and I believe the story will come out in some form or another, and I think I’ll be vindicated in the end,” he told The Sunday Age. But Insiders host Barrie Cassidy said Milne represented too much of a risk. ”He wrote that in a considered newspaper article … We are live and spontaneous, and that represents an even greater risk for us.”

    Mr Sunderland rejected any suggestion that Ms Gillard or anyone else had pressured the ABC to remove Milne. ”The issue this week played a part, but there were also other issues in the past that I don’t want to go into,” Mr Sunderland said. Milne became infamous in 2006 when he stormed the stage at the journalists’ award night, the Walkleys, and assaulted presenter Stephen Mayne.

    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/abc-drops-milne-over-controversial-column-20110903-1jrod.html#ixzz1Wz65CNcb

    I note that he still gives no explanation as to why he thought he could add a detail now that lawyers had prevented him adding in 2007, and get away with it.

  119. Rex

    The public will be able to get their entertainment from the commercial stations

    shudder, I don’t have time for the 6.5 minutes of ad breaks every 16.5 minutes.

  120. JC

    I note that he still gives no explanation as to why he thought he could add a detail now that lawyers had prevented him adding in 2007, and get away with it.

    That’s not the point, steve you disgusting low rent moron.

    the lawyers could have removed the story, which doesn’t mean milne was wrong either.

    In any event Our ABC wrote its own death warrant this weekend. They’re gone.

  121. Gab

    I note that he still gives no explanation as to why he thought he could add a detail

    I note that Gillard gave no specific explanation for ordering the Australian to remove the article.

    As for Milne, he apologised in public for his little jab at Mayne.

    What’s your point, Steve?

  122. JC

    shudder, I don’t have time for the 6.5 minutes of ad breaks every 16.5 minutes

    Then fuck you Rex. Who gives a shit what annoys you, seriously. That’s how it’s going to play out in the end. You of course vote for the Alliance with the other 20% of the public, but it won’t do any good.

  123. daddy dave

    Milne seems to think that he is the news

    Today he is.

  124. Rex

    Then fuck you Rex. Who gives a shit what annoys you, seriously.

    JC the web forum warrior. Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you’d had enough oxygen at birth?

  125. DrBeauGan

    I’m pretty dumb but I’ve finally figured out why our ABC sacked Milne. They were afraid he’d get Julia chopped before “Julia at Home” finished. Think what it would do to the ratings.

  126. JC

    JC the web forum warrior. Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you’d had enough oxygen at birth?

    Rexinald… there was less co2 in the air at the time so it wasn’t a problem. However you’re sitting the desert somewhere in the middle east and you want to dictate to us here what you may like on he ABC when you get back here. Well fuck you and pay for your own stuff. In any event, as I said the ABC is dead man walking anyway.

  127. JC

    Stop the whining and demanding what you want as free entertainment when you get back. if you want to watch romper room and other kiddie shows, i’m sure you can find re-runs on cable.

  128. Is this all about how unhappy you are with the socks and jocks you got for Father’s Day, JC?

  129. JC

    No Steve… I actually received a fine present today. I got a new watch, which I always wanted. No jocks and socks.

    Theoretically I sorta of bought it myself, but without me knowing.. lol

    However, I went around to my parents place today in the arvo and that always puts me a rotten frame of mind.

  130. Rex

    However you’re sitting the desert somewhere in the middle east and you want to dictate to us here what you may like on he ABC when you get back here.

    I sense neglect issues and a strong resentment there. You okay mate? Can I get you a nice cup of harden the fuck up princess?

  131. JC

    Rexinald… The only resentment you hear from me is that every minute these clowns are in government is time wasted.

    And harden fuck up about what exactly. You’re the one whining about free kiddie shows.

  132. Rex

    You’re the one whining about free kiddie shows.

    I asked what legislation governs a possible breakup of the ABC to disparate parts, and you call that whining.

    No wonder your kids made you buy your own watch you freekin nutbag.

  133. daddy dave

    I asked what legislation governs a possible breakup of the ABC to disparate parts

    None. The ABC is a statutory authority. They’d have to change the act.

  134. daddy dave

    They’re gone. They just don’t know it yet.

    Yes, I get tired of left wingers trying to explain that the ABC isn’t biased.

  135. JC

    I asked what legislation governs a possible breakup of the ABC to disparate parts, and you call that whining.

    No you didn’t. You were whining about not being able to watch crap romper room. That’s usual leftwing slop about you want. Go buy the shit you want and stop rifling my pocket for a change, Rexinald.

    As for my father’s day gift, the reference to buying it was implying that I’m the only breadwinner in the home,so stop making this shit personal, you lousy fuckhead.

  136. Ivan Denisovich

    ABC News head of policy Alan Sunderland confirmed yesterday that Milne had been told on Thursday night that ”we wouldn’t use him this week and we probably won’t be using him again”.

    And

    But Insiders host Barrie Cassidy said Milne represented too much of a risk. ”He wrote that in a considered newspaper article … We are live and spontaneous, and that represents an even greater risk for us.”

    Different rule for Bob Ellis, apparently:

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s2570963.htm

  137. Michael Sutcliffe

    So, just getting this straight, the Australian government wants to:

    – shut down the parts of the media that are critical of the government
    – nationalise the communications infrastructure
    – censor the internet

    and, now, program us to have the ‘correct’ thoughts:

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/textbook-approach-to-multiculturalism/story-e6freooo-1226129321836

    1984 in 2011!!

  138. JC

    Michael

    They have politicized the public service to the point that it needs to be gutted, The ABC is the Alliance’s political arm,The PM attacks the judicial arm and there seems to be union corruption running all through the ALP.

    And Alan Sunderland sacks Glenn Milne.

  139. Gab

    You almost sound surprised, Michael.

    From the Fabian playbook:

    A crucial element of this, obviously, is to help such thought be translated into practice, particularly by government. Producing workable policies which manifest left of centre principles, and encouraging their consideration by the Australian Labor Party and by Labor governments, is therefore a crucial part of what we do. But it remains our aim to get left of centre ideas into the wider public domain. Our function in providing arenas for ordinary people to engage in intelligent discussion – in local societies and in conferences, schools and other meetings – is absolutely central to our purpose.

  140. LaRouchite

    Of course the ABC should have declined to have the Poison Dwarf on future programs. He’s always been an odious little creature here he is assaulting a fellow journalist at the Walkley Awards a few years back:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlzDHY9CRB8

    The man is a complete disgrace.

  141. Abu Chowdah

    He wasn’t assaulting a journalist. The other chap was a partisan activist.

  142. LaRouchite

    He wasn’t assaulting a journalist. The other chap was a partisan activist.

    Charming. Here’s some more of that “partisan activist” Glenn Milne:

    Glenn Milne got done over by Media Watch in 2004 when he produced the following in most of the News Ltd Sunday papers on the morning of the much-hyped Channel Nine profile on Mark Latham produced by John Lyons for the now-defunct Sunday program:

    “Allegations about Mark Latham’s treatment of his first wife, Gabrielle, threaten to derail the Labor Leader’s run for The Lodge … And over the past 48 hours, there’s been fevered speculation in Canberra about the existence of a raunchy ‘bucks night’ video involving Latham — and whether that was the smoking gun about to be fired by Sunday.”

    It was all rubbish and Milne’s reputation took a significant hit. Since being dropped by News Ltd two years ago, Milne has struggled to eke out a decent living as a freelance writer and commentator.

    Desperate times lead to desperate measures and having invested all that time in the Bruce Wilson saga back in 2007, Milne felt he was well placed to gazump whatever it was that Smith and Bolt were conspiring about.

    http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/08/31/mayne-it-all-goes-back-to-bolts-unhinged-resignation-prediction/

  143. Entropy

    I doubt anyone here is particular fans of Milne. In fact most have been critical over the years. That isn’t the issue.

  144. Abu Chowdah

    The victim is just as reviled as his stunted attacker. Both partisan hacks.

  145. Abu Chowdah

    Charming

    Know the victim, do you?

  146. Token

    I saw that Mayne was trumping his triumph yesterday on Twitter noting that he wanted Bolt next.

    Glenn Milne has finally been sacked by Insiders. Shame it was 5yrs too late but better late than never. Now, when will Ten axe Bolt Report?

    @MayneReport
    Stephen Mayne

    Classy.

    Lyndon, you and Mayne seem to have your lines in sync, no wonder people thought you were Mayne. What did Mayne tell you are allowed to think today?

  147. daddy dave

    Here’s some more of that “partisan activist” Glenn Milne

    It’s irrelevant. Let’s keep coming back to the basic fact: a journalist got fired for an article he wrote that was critical of the Prime Minister.

    This was not a quality control issue, and it’s just mendacious crap for you to say so.

  148. a journalist got fired for an article he wrote that was critical of the Prime Minister.

    d-d, let’s try for some accuracy here: the “basic fact” is that a journalist with clear accuracy and judgement issues got dropped off his very occasional seat on a panel show.

    He is free to try and get his articles which, as Lyndon reminds us (I had forgotten) have previously traded on rumour and scuttlebutt, published elsewhere. If other channels are happy for him to continue to appear, that’s their choice.

    The worst that could have come of this would have been if the PM or her office had rung the ABC and told them she wanted him off the show for good. There is a clear denial of this from Sunderland, and that should be the end of that allegation unless someone has some actual evidence to show he is a liar (or doesn’t know of something that happened.)

    Incidentally, I think Andrew Bolt shows extremely poor form by not updating his actual post when clear rebuttals appear in comments.

  149. Sinclair Davidson

    There is a clear denial of this from Sunderland

    I remember Bill Clinton saying he didn’t have sex with that woman.

  150. Token

    Steve, hoorah, for the sake of “journalistic standards” Glen Milne has been removed from the panel on Insiders.

    Now they have set the standards that one must be purer than Caesar’s wife, when will Annabel Crabbe, David Marr and Misha Schubert be ejected?

    It is clear that the ABC is acting politically to appease the PM and should get all the damnation they deserve for it.

  151. By drawing that comparison, Sinclair, you appear to implying that Sunderland is lying.

    His rebuttal was clear as it could possibly be:

    There was NO contact of any kind between the Government and the ABC over this matter. We have no interest at all in what the Prime Minister or anyone else thinks of Glenn Milne; our interest is solely in maintaining the editorial integrity of our programming.

    I hope he reads this thread.

  152. Greg

    That would never have happened under John Howard. In fact it is why they hired journalists.

  153. Sinclair Davidson

    steve – for the record I believe him when he says, ‘There was NO contact of any kind between the Government and the ABC over this matter.’
    But I read in the SMH

    Veteran political journalist Glenn Milne has been dumped from ABC TV’s The Insiders because of a column he wrote in News Ltd’s The Australian.

    and I read in The Age

    NEWS Limited columnist Glenn Milne has been ejected from his spot on the panel of the ABC politics program Insiders after his column last week questioning Julia Gillard’s past.

    So I don’t believe him when he says, ‘We have no interest at all in what the Prime Minister or anyone else thinks of Glenn Milne’.

  154. daddy dave

    By drawing that comparison, Sinclair, you appear to implying that Sunderland is lying.

    Steve, Sinclair wrote and published this post BEFORE the denial. And you might have noticed that Sinclair already put in an “update” where he relays, without commentary, that he had recieved an explicit denial from the ABC about government interference.

    So your implication about Sinclair’s implication is fabrication.

  155. Token

    By drawing that comparison, Sinclair, you appear to implying that Sunderland is lying.

    Steve, Sinc’s analogy is very apt.

    What Bill Clinton said was technically true, as per Clinton’s view the carnal pleasures he received did not meet his definition of “sex”. Clinton even tried the rhetorical trick with the word “is”.

    It is clear Sutherland is playing a rhetorical trick and is being called on it.

  156. D-d and Token: let’s go over this again.

    Sinclair’s original post did not in fact claim government interference in the matter, although it did link to Andrew Bolt’s post that said the ABC should answer the question as to whether there was any contact from the government.

    In the third paragraph of my comment at 9.00 am today noted that the question of contact from the PM’s office had been emphatically answered by Sunderland. That is all that paragraph related to.

    To my surprise, Sinclair then raised a comparison to Clinton’s denial, which was a technical one as to interpretation of words.

    I responded at 9.16 am by noting that Sunderland’s denial (re contact from the government) was clear and not capable of misinterpretation, and it therefore seemed to me that Sinclair by raising this was implying lying.

    Sinclair has clarified that this was not what he meant when he responded with the Clinton comparison.

    d-d, Sinclair’s “update” yesterday did not contain an explicit denial of government contact – without knowing what Sinclair emailed to them, we don’t know what “motives” or “misrepresentations” the line from the email was answering.

    So, my “implication” was no fabrication, d-d, and arose specifically from how Sinclair commented on a point I made re government contact.

    The exchange has cleared things up.

  157. Sinclair Davidson

    without knowing what Sinclair emailed to them

    Actually the ABC emailed me.

  158. Token

    I still stand by my comment from yesterday…

    …to use the words endlessly mouthed by the panel on Insiders, sacking someone based upon their actions in another workplace is just not a good look.

  159. Morris Minor

    So they still have the likes of Catherine Deveney on Q&A but not Milne???

  160. JC

    So they still have the likes of Catherine Deveney on Q&A but not Milne???

    And Ellis writing for the Drum.

    no more defense of the ABC leftiods. “that debate is now over”.

  161. daddy dave

    Yes, the debate is over and we’re tired of the ABC bias ‘denialists.’

  162. HandyMan

    So I don’t believe him when he says, ‘We have no interest at all in what the Prime Minister or anyone else thinks of Glenn Milne’.

    Why not Sinclair? I what possible basis, your own prejudices aside, do you conclude Sunderland is lying on this point?

    Really it is time Teh Right got its message straight on the ABC. Usually we are told the problem with the place is that it is “uncontrollable”, that it is “run by the staff” which is why Howard couldn’t bring it to heal despite stacking the board with wingnut hacks and bringing on Jonathon Shier. Now, according to you, one word from the PM and Milne is shunted. Anyone who knows anything about how the ABC operates has just fallen to the floor laughing. Same goes for The Australian – you can bet they did not pull Milne’s column merely because the PM rang. Media organisations of all stripes love standing their ground on such occasions – if at all possible.

    And you may have noticed The Age reported Sunderland as saying there were “other issues” relating to Milne. Crikey today is reporting that The Drum also had to pull one of Milne’s recent columns.

    How about this for a theory Sinclair: there were genuine editorial issues surrounding Milne (as evidenced by The Oz and The Drum pulling his work) and Insiders simply decided that as a live to air show, he was not worth the editorial risk? It is so plausible it just might work! Don’t always assume a conspiracy.

  163. Sinclair Davidson

    Why not Sinclair? I what possible basis, your own prejudices aside, do you conclude Sunderland is lying on this point?

    What is this obsession people have with lying? When examining student essays I often write ‘I don’t believe you’ on various points and arguments. Does that mean I think the student has lied, or they have not made a convincing argument?

    I don’t believe him because he has produced no evidence to support his case and both the Age and the SMH report information inconsistent with his argument.

    As far as I can see you have yet to own up to sparking a riot outside of Albanese’s office – have you phoned to apologise?

  164. JC

    ….and Insiders simply decided that as a live to air show, he was not worth the editorial risk? It is so plausible it just might work! Don’t always assume a conspiracy.

    you mean as concerned as they would be with Bob Ellis at the Drum and Catherine Deveny on Q&A raising points about 13 year olds having sex? They don’t seem too concerned about that, right?

    Metro.. the debate is over.

    [JC – small edit there. The young lady in question is still a minor. Sinc]

  165. HandyMan

    I don’t believe him because he has produced no evidence to support his case and both the Age and the SMH report information inconsistent with his argument.

    He has said there were issues with Milne outside of the one where The Australian pulled a Milne column and indeed there were: The Drum did the same. He has said there were concerns about putting Milne on a live to air program and there are? So what’s your problem?

    As far as I can see you have yet to own up to sparking a riot outside of Albanese’s office – have you phoned to apologise?

    LOL. Thanks for the “credit” Sinclair, but really, all I did was coin the phrase. Albo used it to devasting affect and he’ll have to cop what’s coming.

  166. Token

    Crikey today is reporting that The Drum also had to pull one of Milne’s recent columns.

    Handy, I saw another unsubstantiated remour at Vex yesterday which was not consistent with the rumour you provide from Crikey.

    The fact is, if the ABC didn’t want this stink, why didn’t they take the disciplined path and wait until after the appearance on Insiders to drop him?

    If there were other issues, why didn’t the ABC note that straight up?

    In the wash up, the ABC is as disorganised and undisciplined as the parliamentary Labor Party. It was a Gillard/Labor style knee-jerk reaction and they are being justifiably panned for it.

  167. Sinclair Davidson

    He has said there were issues with Milne outside of the one where The Australian pulled a Milne column and indeed there were: The Drum did the same.

    The ABC suddenly discovered Milne and Mayne had an altercation? That argument reduces confidence …

  168. HandyMan

    I saw another unsubstantiated remour at Vex yesterday

    And that’s about all you’ll ever get from Vex. By the way, what Crikey reported re Milne is not a “rumour”. A column of his was pulled. As was one in The Australian. I also notice today that Chris Mitchell is refusing to say if Milne has a future at The Oz. According you the conspiracy theorists here, Gillard has amazing powers – she can get both private and publicly owned outlets of somewhat different political outlooks to bend to her whims. Like most conspiracy theories, this is pure quackery.

  169. JC

    Interesting. I just hung up from a call (I received) fromthe friend who is a poltical adviser to a lib in Canberra.

    The chatter amongst the advisers this morning has been about the action against Milne rounding off to the institutionalized partisan bias of the ABC.

    This is across the board.

    It seems that within the Libs, at least, that debate is now over.

  170. HandyMan

    The ABC suddenly discovered Milne and Mayne had an altercation?

    Huh? Sinclair, what the hell are you talking about? The column pulled from The Drum was not about the Mayne stoush.

  171. Sinclair Davidson

    What was it about?

  172. HandyMan

    What was it about?

    Happy to help Sinclair. Here is the complete text of the article in today’s Crikey:

    Glenn Milne is no longer an Insiders panellist, that much is clear. But as to his future at News Limited, well let’s just say we’re waiting to see what happens when the columnist returns from the naughty corner.

    The man has endured a horror week since his column in The Australian last Monday was pulled from the online version of the paper for containing unverified claims about prime minister Julia Gillard.

    Milne has since been axed from his plum slot on ABC’s Insiders, one of the few areas where he was able to extend his reach beyond the commentariat of Holt Street.

    And the backlash could only be getting started. Milne is absent from the national broadsheet today, with no word as to his future at News Limited. On his bio Milne is promoted as having a “weekly political column in The Australian”. However it seems “weekly” hasn’t been the case for some time.

    Chris Mitchell, editor-in-chief of The Australian, told The Power Index this morning that Milne “did not have a weekly column” at the paper and that he alternates with stablemate Chris Kenney. Mitchell declined to be drawn on Milne’s future at the paper.

    ABC News head of policy Alan Sunderland confirmed on the weekend that Milne had been dumped ahead of his slated appearance on yesterday’s Insiders. Sunderland said Milne had been informed by executive producer Kellie Mayo last Thursday the ABC “wouldn’t use him this week and we probably won’t be using him again”.

    Sunderland also said there were other factors in the dumping of Milne: “The issue this week played a part, but there were also other issues in the past that I don’t want to go into,” he told The Sunday Age.

    The Power Index understands a recent column by Milne on the The Drum regarding Tony Abbott’s chief-of staff Peta Credlin may have helped lead to his demise at Insiders. In the piece, Milne published allegations of supposed travel rorts by Credlin, despite her issuing vehement denials. Again the column was removed.

  173. Token

    Mayne on Twitter yesterday about the sacking of Milne – see my post @ 8:24am.

    No history or malice there at all…

  174. Sinclair Davidson

    All of that is old news. How come he wasn’t dropped after the Drum piece was pulled – if indeed it was?

  175. Token

    What is new here? Crikey lifted the quote from Fairfax which Sinclair already quoted earlier in the blog…

    Sunderland also said there were other factors in the dumping of Milne: “The issue this week played a part, but there were also other issues in the past that I don’t want to go into,” he told The Sunday Age.

    You’ve not tendered anything new yet Hando.

  176. JC

    “The issue this week played a part, but there were also other issues in the past that I don’t want to go into,” he told The Sunday Age.

    Oh yea of course. There’s always other issues.

  177. HandyMan

    All of that is old news.

    Really – do point me to earlier reports of a column on The Drum having been an issue? Your time starts now!

    How come he wasn’t dropped after the Drum piece was pulled –

    Because that, on its own, was not evidence enough of a potential problem, but when The Oz pulled him as well the ABC decided he was too big a risk, live to air? The logic is so watertight it might just trump any conspiracy theory.

    if indeed it was?

    Always disbelieving what you don’t want to believe when it doesn’t suit your argument Sinclair. Tell you what, how about you go find the column on The Drum … if it hasn’t been pulled should be easy to pull up. Your time starts now!

  178. JC

    You’ve not tendered anything new yet Hando

    Please refer to him through his correct title or the abbreviation.

    It Metroick, JC’s carbon slave, or just Metro.

    It’s important my carbon slave is shown the correct level of respect.

    Metro the fridge please. Off.

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