Breaking News: Carbon tax passes lower house

Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott traded barbs about each other’s honesty as the Government’s carbon tax bills passed through the House of Representatives this morning.

Opposition leader Mr Abbott has “pledged in blood” to repeal the carbon tax laws if he forms government, despite the certainty of any such move being blocked in the Greens-controlled Senate.

The climate bills had majority support anyway, but the Government’s position was boosted last night when Opposition frontbencher Sophie Mirabella was thrown out of the House for 24 hours for defying the speaker.

The legislation passed through the House of Representatives as expected this morning to applause from the Government benches, with Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd hugging Ms Gillard as MPs mingled on the floor of the chamber.

9.49am: What’s likely to get the bigger headline tomorrow? The passing of the carbon tax or the fact that the government was so keen to get a win that Julia Gillard actually kissed Kevin Rudd amongst the celebration.

Update: Terje reminds us

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121 Responses to Breaking News: Carbon tax passes lower house

  1. Gab

    And another win on the cards for Gillard as the amendment to the Mirgration Act was due for vote tomorrow, is being fast tracked today.
    Mirabella was sent to the sin bin by Jenkins yesterday and now Labor have brought forward the vote last business today. The amendment goes against the High Court decision but minor details like that won’t stop Gillard from getting her “year of action”.

  2. cohenite

    Julia Gillard actually kissed Kevin Rudd

    Can the news possibly get any worse.

  3. Every dog has its day, including mangy dogs like Gillard. History won’t remember her for the carbon tax but for leading Labor to the biggest defeat ever.

  4. Viva

    Mirabella was sent to the sin bin by Jenkins yesterday

    Worse than that – Mirabella was banished by Peter Slipper – supposedly one of her own side.

    I wonder how many Labor MPs realise that this albatross will hang around their necks for years to come.

  5. m0nty

    Herald-Sun responds in typically restrained fashion: GILLARD KILLS AUSTRALIA.

  6. Gab

    GILLARD KILLS AUSTRALIA.

    Ridiculous. She’s been doing that since June 2010.

  7. Alexander

    The amendment goes against the High Court decision but minor details like that won’t stop Gillard from getting her “year of action”.

    Why are so many people obsessed with the idea that Parliament changing the law is somehtow immoral? Sure, you might think the law itself is immoral, but not the idea of changing it, surely. This is how our system is meant to work: The Hight Court finds someone (in this case, the executive) in breach of the law; the Parliament thinks the decision is problematic, so it changes it. Better than the American system, of unelected judges repealing whatever law they want, surely!

  8. ar

    Back in a minute, folks. Just need to wipe up some puke…

  9. Gab

    Riding roughshod over democracy.

    Liberal MP George Christensen last night showed Parliament the 4500 submissions that a government-dominated committee on the carbon dioxide tax refused to accept:

    As someone who sat on the Joint Select Committee on Australia’s Clean Energy Future Legislation, I know that there is a groundswell of support for our proposition and against this carbon tax proposal by the government.

    I have with me a rather weighty document. It is all of the submissions given to the carbon tax inquiry, but that were knocked back by the carbon tax inquiry. Some 4½ thousand people who sought to have their say were simply ruled as correspondents only.

    The vast majority of these submissions oppose the tax. The vast majority of the 70-odd accepted by the committee and published support it. What a laughable manipulation of the debate.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_anti_tax_submissions_the_government_did_not_want_you_to_read/

  10. ar

    Mirabella was sent to the sin bin by Jenkins

    It was actually stand-in speaker Slipper who named her.

    I wonder if this could have been some sort of tactic? A tactic so cunning I have yet to figure it out…

  11. Feral Abacus

    Never has this country seen a more brazen act of economic vandalism. At a time of global economic shakiness, this pack of hounds think it’s a good idea to gut Australia’s competitive advantage for no apparent reason other than to create a money-go-round to buy votes and prop up shonky “green” businesses. It seems there’s not a single patriot in Labor’s festering ranks.

  12. jtfsoon

    For Chrissakes Sinc

    that picture ain’t worksafe. It could induce widespread vomiting

  13. Gab

    Jenkins/Slipper – they all look the same to me.

  14. Gab

    lol Tim Blair:

    I’m in Canberra today for carbon tax legislation fun. New posts tonight, possibly, unless my car is impounded for carbon violations. Here’s Julia Gillard on Sunrise:

    ” Today is a significant day, it’s a significant day for Australians today.”

    Great. We’re being ruled by Dr Seuss.

  15. Viva

    From Jo Nova’s blog:

    EU sets conditions for signing up to Kyoto II

    LUXEMBOURG – European Union environment ministers — responsible for only 11 percent of global carbon emissions — said they would commit to a new phase of the Kyoto climate change pact, on the condition that nations blamed for the rest join up too.

    “What’s the point of keeping something alive if you’re alone there? There must be more from the 89 percent,” EU Environment Commissioner Connie Hedegaard told Reuters.

    The European Union stated the need for a road map that would indicate when the biggest emitters — led by the United States, China and India — would sign up. The milestones on the way, however, were imprecise.

    A first commitment phase of the Kyoto Protocol — the only global, legally-binding contract on tackling climate change — ends at the end of next year and analysts say time has run out to get a new world-wide deal in place before then.

  16. johno

    THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVERNMENT I LEAD.

    A very sad day for Australian democracy that a Prime Minister can get away with telling a straight out lie to the Australian people.

  17. C.L.

    Today is a significant day, it’s a significant day for Australians today.

    LOL.

  18. Homer Keynes-Pax

    errr

    this is no carbon tax it will become an ETS, you only need to read what Ken HHEnry said at p. 239, appendix 3 of his reporrt

    more eggs on the feces of catallaxians but what do yopu expect!!

  19. Infidel Tiger

    Slipper is getting 86’ed at the next election. He’s a duplicitous Berkshire Hunt.

  20. JamesK

    “It’s a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham.”

    And expensive to repeal.

  21. Infidel Tiger

    Abbott should have pulled out a Bowie Knife and cut his hand to make his blood oath.

  22. thefrollickingmole

    I cant get over the sheer Irresponsibility of this government.
    Its just imposed a tarrif against our own industries, created property rights out of this air, and created the most overreaching beauraucratic organisation, exceeding the taxation department in its powers.

    Worst.Government.Ever.

  23. Louis Hissink

    Homer,

    None of Ken Henry’s reccommendations have been acted on so far, so why should this be any different? Not much sense having an ETS when the rest of the world isn’t playing it.

  24. cohenite

    Homer says:

    this is no carbon tax it will become an ETS,

    Homer idiot.

  25. Homer Keynes-Pax

    learn t0 rad some real books on economics not batman comix like Soony.

    This is not a carbin tax. This is a fixed carbon price for a few years until thhe fool ETS comes into operation.

    this ain’t reality son, it’s catallaxy

  26. Adrien

    The passing of the carbon tax or the fact that the government was so keen to get a win that Julia Gillard actually kissed Kevin Rudd amongst the celebration.

    Was that spontaneous?

  27. Adrian

    that is an X rated picture. my eyes are still burning.

  28. Homer Keynes-Pax

    what did our Jowls sau would transition into in future??

    oops

    time to wipe that egg of your face gAB

    this is a fixed price ETS until transition nota tax. Jools has said there will be a transition!!

    anothe rday in catallaxy is another day without the facts!!!

  29. C.L.

    Didn’t you back FuelWatch and GroceryWatch, Homer??

    !!

  30. Token

    “…Jowls…”

    Thanks Homer, how appropriate, I’ll be using that in the future 🙂

    jowl/joul/

    Noun:

    1.The lower part of a person’s or animal’s cheek, esp. when it is fleshy or drooping.

    2.The cheek of a pig used as meat.

  31. Morris Minor

    Why do I feel like I’ve fallen into a Cambodian “democratic” electoral process here; the people have spoken and yet the govt say “move on folks, nothing to see here.”

    I ripped up my ALP Membership about 20 minutes ago.

  32. Gab

    Okay, maybe not an alcohol-infused Homer. Perhaps a pharmaceutically-enhanced Homer.

  33. JC

    That’s a real photo, wasn’t photoshopped and happened today? Fuck me.

  34. Gab

    Yes, JC, it was the kiss of (political) death from Ruddy boy.

  35. JC

    I’m so excited. this is a great day for the country, for the Alliance and the lardrase.

    Is that the real Homer running amok on this thread?

    Go away homer.

  36. Sinclair Davidson

    No – not the real Homer.

  37. C.L.

    Spoilsport, Sinclair.

    I wanted to see how far Jason could go. 🙂

  38. Gab

    It’s that cheeky Tillman.

  39. Tim Quilty

    Jason has the Homer lines down perfect. It was like a flashback to Cat days past.

  40. m0nty

    Did I read right, VSU has been repealed? Why hasn’t that got its own thread yet? Young Liberals will be appalled!

  41. C.L.

    Not really, Mont. Abbo will reinstate it.

    Patience, grasshopper.

  42. Viva

    People who keep carrying on about Tony not coming up with a Liberal reform agenda should take a moment to think about it – the guy is going to be flat out clearing up the Augean stable left by Labor on so many fronts – border (in)security, carbon tax and mining tax (requiring a double dissolution election), out-of-control NBN megaproject, and that’s just for starters.

    Gillard was supposed to clean up Rudd’s mess but Tony is going to have to clean up after the both of them.

    Poor fellow my country.

  43. jtfsoon

    Ok enough with the tomfoolery
    that was me but I haven’t misrepresented homer at all. He was using exactly the same argument with me on a Troppo thread i.e.it wasn’t a carbon tax but an ETS with a fixed price

  44. JC

    Jason

    For some reason he thinks he’s a political spin doctor. But no one would pay him though. He’s such an incredibly stupid person.

  45. m0nty

    Not really, Mont. Abbo will reinstate it.

    Patience, grasshopper.

    Yes, patience will be needed to wait until the Greens give up the BoP.

  46. m0nty

    Just look at these idiots.

    Tanya Plibersek, what a star.

  47. C.L.

    The Atlantic – home of Trig Palin trooferism – names Julia Gilliard (sic) one of the “Brave Thinkers” of 2011 for her pointless tax on carbon dioxide.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-12/gillard-named-on-brave-thinkers-list/3553582

  48. Infidel Tiger

    He said the carbon tax package was “Labor to the bootstraps”, and the party would stand by it.

    Never a truer word spoken. Can’t wait until your unemployed you mouth breathing pissant.

  49. C.L.

    Yes, patience will be needed to wait until the Greens give up the BoP.

    Yes, I’m sure the people will return them after a double dissolution – with their popular hatred of free speech and plans to end coal mining.

  50. Gab

    names Julia Gilliard (sic) one of the “Brave Thinkers” of 2011 for her pointless tax on carbon dioxide.

    Yes, quite a “courageous” decision that carbon dioxide tax.

  51. Jim Rose

    LABOR has vowed to defend its carbon tax if it loses government to Tony Abbott, who has pledged a “blood” vow to dismantle the measure which today passed the House of Representatives

    would true leaders such as hawke and keating ever have admitted that they might lose the next election?

    both were confident that they could always fight back from no matter how far behind and win.

  52. Tom

    Damned pariahs all: Gillard, Swan and Brown will be remembered as we remember Sir John Kerr.

  53. Feral Abacus

    Just look at these idiots.

    Disgusting. They bring in a carbon dioxide tax when they were elected on a NO CARBON TAX platform and then say they’ll reject any electoral mandate the Coalition has to repeal it. These spivs despise democracy with every fibre of their being. Not surprising when you consider the fact that Gillard once worshipped at the feet of the Soviet Union.

    The dustbin of history awaits the green-socialists and their ruinous lunacies.

  54. JC

    I take a different view. Part of me is happy to see the tax go through as I want to see the hysterics and the pain they go through when it’s repealed.

    There’s no way this tax is going to last any distance.

  55. Philip Crowley

    Yes, Prime Minister – You Lied!

  56. Jim Rose

    Part of me is happy to see the tax go through as I want to see the hysterics and the pain they go through when it’s repealed.

    But for the carbon tax, labour would still have Rudd as PM in a majority government? Am I wrong.

  57. C.L.

    An twice unelected prime minister in an unelected government – relying on the votes of two members who have defied the will of their electorates – has introduced a tax she promised to never introduce. The purpose of the tax is to make life more expensive for voters and send billions to overseas traders.

    Historically, this is the end of the ALP. Founded by shearers, killed by urban elitists – in alliance with a party that wants to ban free speech and hates Jews.

  58. JC

    Historically, this is the end of the ALP. Founded by shearers, killed by urban elitists – in alliance with a party that wants to ban free speech and hates Jews.

    It’s an historical moment. The shearers are voting liberal.

  59. C.L.

    Chaos in Parliament:

    After the House of Representatives today passed the carbon tax package, a group of 40 people chanting “no mandate, democracy is dead” interrupted Prime Minister Julia Gillard during Question Time today.

    After they were removed another group of 30 interrupted the PM.

    Then a third group of 12, one person waving an Australian flag, stood and chanted against the PM.

    Parliament was further disrupted when people in the Speakers gallery stood to protest and one man took off his shoe and threatened to throw it.

    Speaker Harry Jenkins said he had been asked if he would clear the public galleries.

    What more perfect conclusion to this fascist affair than a clearing of the public galleries.

    Get this from douchebag, Rob Oakeshott:

    Independent MP Rob Oakeshott, who backed the carbon tax, rejected the claim that democracy was dead, saying the legislation “expressed the collective will of the majority of MPs“.

  60. JC

    Is Oakeshott going to receive more than 1 vote at the next election? His own?

    I don’t even think his spouse would vote for the moron.

  61. Viva

    douchebag, Rob Oakeshott

    I watched question time (as long as I could bear to listen to that voice) just long enough to see the douchebag grinning from ear to ear having just asked a dorothy dixer to his puppet mistress.

  62. Sorry I’m late to the party.

    How you feeling today, losers! 🙂

    Jason: Homer is right. I thought everyone acknowledged that Gillard could have used this argument as to why she didn’t actually break a promise, but she decided it would look tricky and didn’t bother.

    It will be interesting to see how polling on the unpopularity of the tax proceeds, now that it is a done deal and compensation kicks in ahead of the pain. People won’t start loving it any time soon, but they may live with it.

    Of course, a bit may depend on what call various businesses make on this too. If enough decide that Abbott may not be able to live up to his promise, they will start making investment decisions based on its non-revocation, and then start calling on Abbott to reconsider his stance. Seems a possibility, no?

    A really hot summer wouldn’t go astray as well.

  63. JC

    How you feeling today, losers!

    I’m actually ecstatic, as i know the pain you and others will feel when this thing is finally repealed. I take a longer view of things, Steve.

    I also know the libs will use this as a club at every election to frighten the punters which could very well mean uninterrupted conservative government for 20 years.

    How do you feel? 🙂

  64. Gab

    She’s signed her own (political) death warrant, Steve.

    I’ve cracked the Dom already. Cheers.

  65. I like how CL’s “chaos” story starts:

    MORE than 85 middle-aged carbon tax protesters have been thrown out of Federal Parliament in a concerted public protest.

    Go home and listen to Alan Jones, you silly duffers. Then spend some of your retirement money on solar hot water and maybe some PV for the roof, and contribute something useful to reducing electricity from coal.

  66. Infidel Tiger

    How you feeling today, losers!

    Took you 24 hours to summon up that false bravado.

    We always knew the legislation would pass. The battle will be repealing it and mopping up the blood in ALP held electorates after they are slaughtered like stuck pigs at the next election.

  67. JC

    Go home and listen to Alan Jones, you silly duffers. Then spend some of your retirement money on solar hot water and maybe some PV for the roof, and contribute something useful to reducing electricity from coal.

    Fuck off, Steve.

    And I’ve actually got my eye on a 5.6 liter engine too.

  68. JC

    And I’ve actually got my eye on a 5.6 liter engine too.

    Only if Western Refining goes to 30 bucks, which it could.

  69. JamesK

    2007: I’m tired of this little ugly chap. He’s boring, ugly but largely sensible. We like that. We’re wealthy and concerned citizens of the world now, let’s try pale Minier-me who is a fiscal conservative (we like that) without a cigarette papers differnece between he and the short aging ugly sensible guy. O.K

    2010: What the fuck just happened? I wanted to clobber Minier-me. Still the red haired one seems sensible and that nice Mr Oakes likes her and is very very concerned with that woman hating Abbott. He dooesn’t seem to bad to me. Hmmmm.

    2011-12-13: I want to smash these c-nts! Particularly the red haired drone. Neverever ever ever again. Not on my watch. Not Ever. Never.

  70. jtfsoon

    steve
    really, you’re what? 5 years younger than the Gray Power brigade you’re constantly railing against

  71. Infidel Tiger

    Steve has the persona of an 8 year old geriatric.

  72. The kiss with Rudd is important, too, of course, for the political dynamics.

    Labor only needs a 1% increase in TPP every couple of months, and they are back in the running. Beware of baby steps, people.

  73. Viva

    The kiss with Rudd is important, too, of course, for the political dynamics.

    I agree – it was the Judas Kiss of Death.

  74. C.L.

    I see Steve has recovered from Sinclair’s slap around the ears for dishonesty. That, plus the fact that nobody reads his blog.

  75. Infidel Tiger

    The kiss will also allow the Libs to show the public that there is no difference between the two of them.

  76. C.L.

    Go home and listen to Alan Jones, you silly duffers.

    LOL. Steve remembers the moon landing – which makes him upper middle-aged. There may have been 40 year-olds in the gallery today who weren’t even born at the time.

  77. I use Just For Men regularly so as to avoid the appearance of belonging to an embarrassing cohort, Jason.

    (not really)

  78. Gab

    What’s really pathetic is that Steve thinks this CO2 tax will make a difference to global temps. Fool.

  79. CL, the disreputable things I would do on my iPad with your photo, if only I could find one. Come, make an old man happy, email me one?

  80. Infidel Tiger

    CL, the disreputable things I would do on my iPad with your photo

    How disgusting.

  81. C.L.

    Fisk called it right about you, Steve.

    You’re a disturbed person.

  82. Abu Chowdah

    How you feeling today, losers! 🙂

    The punching clown returns!

  83. C.L.

    How you feeling today…

    Sad for the democracy that Gillard has trashed.

    Happy in the knowledge that the ALP is hated throughout the country.

    I see even Mumble arguing today that the nutty carbon dioxide tax will probably become even more hated in the year ahead.

  84. Infidel Tiger

    65-35 2PP by election day. Labor destroyed for eternity.

  85. Gab

    LNP/Nat 70-30 Party formerly known as ALP, that’s my guesstimate by election day 2013.

  86. Mother Hubbard's Dog

    The question that picture raises in my mind is, which one is Judas?

  87. Viva

    LNP/Nat 70-30 Party formerly known as ALP, that’s my guesstimate by election day 2013.

    It’s really just as well if that turns out to be the case. The left have consistently shown themselves to be susceptible to any fad or fashion that blows in – the Occupy Movement and Slutwalk are only two of many examples. Mostly these passing fads are fairly harmless but today we discover there are dangerous exceptions such as the global warming scare. The left are governed by their emotions and are driven by a passionate intensity that trumps all rational considerations. Today we are paying the price for their dysfunction.

  88. Viva

    The question that picture raises in my mind is, which one is Judas?

    That’s easy – each one is shown to be as rat cunningly and blatantly dishonest as the other. What a pair!

  89. Winston Smith

    God, I hope there was no tongue involvement in that kiss.

    Eeeeewwww!

  90. Rococo Liberal

    Steve

    You are delusional. The voters have stopped listening to Gillard and the ALP. There will only the most marginal of improvements in TPP over the coming years, but no resurgence. The problem is that the ALP have been too active for their own good. On the evidence so far, it guranteed that they will continue to be active, so as to appease their left and the greens. Thos will continue to alienate the mainstream voters.

    What’s worse is that the CO2 tax is delayed for a year. This means that the Coalition can spend more time on denigrating this policy own goal on the part of the ALP.

  91. cohenite

    This government is basically dysfunctional; it may be cunning, duplicitous and politically savy but it is not just useless it is destructive.

    There are many potential future trigger points but I think the key one will be the first power outage.

  92. Quentin George

    LOL. Steve remembers the moon landing – which makes him upper middle-aged.

    Steve is calling me an old duffer when he’s twice my age? It’s ok for him, he’s not going to be around to pay this bloody useless impost.

  93. wreckage

    Labor only needs a 1% increase in TPP every couple of months, and they are back in the running.

    So, all they need is to consistently do better than they have for some time, with no setbacks, for more than a year, and they’ll be fine!

    Sure! I’m gonna start day-trading. All I need is a few percent, compounded daily, with no losses, and I’ll be rich!

  94. Infidel Tiger

    Labor only needs a 1% increase in TPP every couple of months, and they are back in the running.

    That’s exactly what Steve said in the lead up to Stanley Bruce’s election defeat.

  95. Quentin George

    Labor only needs a 1% increase in TPP every couple of months, and they are back in the running.

    The Coalition only needs a 1% increase in TPP every month and they will win every seat!

    It doesn’t sound any stupider than your comment, steve.

  96. In all honesty, a lot of Labor’s fortunes probably depend on international crises beyond their control. If the global economy tanks, Abbott’s revocation promise loses none of its gloss, I guess. But in the meantime, both parties digging in does leave business in a lot of uncertainty, which in itself is not a good thing.

  97. wreckage

    But in the meantime, both parties digging in does leave business in a lot of uncertainty, which in itself is not a good thing.

    Small business will be boned by the new tax, and big business has itself to blame.

  98. Infidel Tiger

    But in the meantime, both parties digging in does leave business in a lot of uncertainty, which in itself is not a good thing.

    Abbott offers business complete certainty: NO FUCKING CARBON TAX. NO FUCKING ETS.

  99. An election could be two years away, but people at this blog have been predicting its outcome for the last 12 months and the glorious routing of Left politics for all of eternity that it will entail.

    Excuse me while I don’t take you seriously. You’ve been living under the misapprehension that there is a crisis.

  100. cohenite

    Indeed big business has been craven about this carbon TAX; one major energy provider will have an annual carbon TAX bill THREE times its annual profit.

    I still think a constitutional challenge would succeed since this tax represents a gross interference with state rights.

  101. smiffy

    The fact that proven wankstains like Steve actually rejoice in a tax proves what a pile of fucking shit it is.

    To link yourself to a fucking deranged idiot like Oakshit displays how intellectually limited you are.

  102. Myrrdin Seren

    In his fantasy greentopia, Steve’s looking forward to becoming a block eco-gauleiter – patrolling the neighbourhood at night to ensure no illicit activities – like people running generators to get some electricity.

  103. No Worries

    Not sure why sob is gloating.
    This has been the most expected vote in parliament for quite some time. Seems he wasn’t quite sure it was going to happen after all.

  104. No Worries

    This legislation becomes active on 1 July 2012, and will take some time to ramp up all the procedures. Abbott will have time to pull this thing out by the roots before it fully develops, to the accompaniment of the wailing and keening of the 5 remaining labor MP’s after the early election.

  105. I’m off to watch the news and tell my children that the government today made laws which will encourage cleaner energy for our nation, and that the most consistent economic advice as to how to best achieve this has been followed.

    I will not be telling them a lie.

    We’ll all then sing a song of praise for Julia Gillard, and have our dinner. 🙂

  106. Gab

    You going to explain what difference this CO2 tax makes to global temps, Steve? Or is that a teeny detail you overlook?

    You sorry-assed lunatic.

  107. wreckage

    and that the most consistent economic advice as to how to best achieve this has been followed.

    No, because the government is continuing with a hodgepodge of subsidies and special cases, in addition to the “tax/ETS” which will it/themselves be a hodgepodge of subsidies and special cases.

    It’s bad policy. And I have a track record of seriously underestimating the ineptitude of the current ALP mob.

    An election could be two years away, but people at this blog have been predicting its outcome for the last 12 months

    If an election was held today the ALP would lose. If an election was held a year ago the ALP would lose.

    You’re saying that a minority government that makes obvious errors, introduces new taxes, then goes out on a blatant vote-buying scheme is going to surge ahead over its life. The fact is that assuming no other shift in the vote the ALP would lose next time because at least two of its minority allies will be gutted and roasted by their electorates, going to the Coalition.

    This is an unpopular government fighting from a losing position, which needs to advance significantly from its “win” or lose power. The thing is a foregone conclusion.

  108. Tiny Dancer

    I feel sorry for your children as you talk shit to them, Stevie. Do you tell them about your desire to make up lies about non-cultists sex lives? You are truly a dumb piece of shit.

  109. Viva

    Steve is clearly a shit stirring troll. Why do any of you bother to respond to his posts?

  110. Infidel Tiger

    I used to like Steve. Now I would like to kick him square in the slats.

  111. kae

    IT
    Best not to, shit splatters.

    I think that the Gillard/KRudd kiss reminded me most of snakes in an embrace.

    Except snakes aren’t so awkward.

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