Gosh, they’ve been flat out over at the Climate Commission. The last event was 9 November last year – in Alice Springs. We really are getting value for money from all those Climate Commissioners. Really educating the public on the intracies of climate change and computer modelling.
But fear not, there are two upcoming events in Tasmania (which might welcome bit of global warming given their current summer).
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21 February – Launceston
Australia’s Chief Climate Commissioner, Professor Tim Flannery, is visiting Tasmania. As a key regional city, Launceston will host the next community forum for the Climate Commission. This is your opportunity to ask questions and share ideas with the Climate Commissioners and take part in the national conversation on this vital issue.
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22 February – Hobart
Australia’s Chief Climate Commissioner, Professor Tim Flannery, is visiting Tasmania. As Australia’s southern-most city, Hobart will host a community forum for the Climate Commission. This is your opportunity to ask questions and share ideas with the Climate Commissioners and participate in the national conversation on this vital issue.
Download the forum flyer.
So any Tasmanian Cats, here is your big chance.
In the meantime, the CC has put out a breathless report on the impact of climate change on health. And here are the predictions (are we really expected to believe this stuff???)
The number of days over 35 degrees per year in Darwin:
2008 9
2030 36
2070 221
2100 312
Sure. I guess the only certain outcome is that the Climate Commission will have been disbanded well before we can really know how hilariously wrong are these predictions. Anyone for Sydney or Adelaide running out of water?
Following standard climate science methodology, I can breathless predict that by 2120 there will be more than 365 days per year with temperatures over 35 degrees in Darwin.
johno
10 Feb 12 at 3:50 pm
That would be a leap climate statistic, then…….
Louis Hissink
10 Feb 12 at 4:06 pm
Did he get 2008 right?
Thomas Esmond Knox
10 Feb 12 at 4:21 pm
They just need to switch to degrees Fahrenheit when giving these predictions.
By that measure, Darwin already has multiple days with temperatures above 100 degrees!
Now if that isn’t a climate catastrophe, I don’t know what is.
John Bayley
10 Feb 12 at 4:25 pm
CC tour = Gullibles travels!
Biota
10 Feb 12 at 4:30 pm
So the man who famously predicted the end of Australian rainfall and the abandonment of Perth says he knows what the temperature will be in Darwin in the year 2100?
And he has a literature degree from La Trobe?
Has the Flannery-appointing ALP gone stark raving, clinically insane?
C.L.
10 Feb 12 at 4:34 pm
pick a number any number
Adrian
10 Feb 12 at 4:44 pm
It’s like the Lancet and the Iraq War death toll.
I think in the end the Lancet was saying 3 billion Iraqis had been killed by Bush.
C.L.
10 Feb 12 at 4:48 pm
Yep, pretty much the case and yet there are millions out there who believe their numbers are accurate. People seem to have forgotten the definitions for “forecast” “prediction” and “modelling”. Nowadays these terms are taken to mean absolute fact.
Gab
10 Feb 12 at 4:49 pm
Oh yea… I bet Tim Lambert still believes in the survey’s credibility. At the rate Lancet, that lunatic and idiot were compounding the death toll, the extra deaths count is up to 37.94 trillion Iraqis dead by now.
JC
10 Feb 12 at 4:52 pm
Yea and yes.
He also said he couldn’t do a general science and had to do dinosaur shit “science” degree because he didn’t have a head for math. Funny how climate science is laden with math and he’s the glimate commissioner.
JC
10 Feb 12 at 4:56 pm
As a post complaining about whether we are getting value for money from the climate commission, fair enough.
As a post throwing in a trivialising “well,ha, how likely is that?” it demonstrates the “I don’t care what scientists say, what do they know?” attitude that’s making a large part of the Right of politics here and in the States an embarrassment.
The issue with rate of loss of ice in the Himalayas, by the way, might be taken as a sign that scientists are genuine and honest in always revising their work on assessing the effects of climate change, rather than a reason to be pointing to them and say “haha, you got it wrong.”
It is, needless to say, but one aspect of the global effects of climate change and hardly makes a difference to the big picture.
steve from brisbane
10 Feb 12 at 5:02 pm
That’s their default position. They’ve gotten worse over time and they have to keep the Greenslimers happy.
Gab
10 Feb 12 at 5:06 pm
Perth Will Die, says Top Scientist
That clipping needs to get as wide an airing as possible.
spot
10 Feb 12 at 5:14 pm
Lots of models predict long term drying for much of WA.
Flannery refers to Perth’s problems “in the coming decades.”
He may be right; you’re not in a position to know right now.
steve from brisbane
10 Feb 12 at 5:37 pm
What a convenient ‘science.’
C.L.
10 Feb 12 at 5:39 pm
I am all for round-trips. they can’t do much harm when so far away from the seats of power.
the climate commission should locate outside of canberra. Brisbane perhaps. that would make it irrelevant.
why do you think the productivity commission was deported to melbourne?
Jim Rose
10 Feb 12 at 5:41 pm
Or are you or Flannery.
STFU and leave us westies alone.
Infidel Tiger
10 Feb 12 at 5:45 pm
One of the Government’s top designated scientists is running around flapping his arms shrieking ‘PERTH WILL DIIIIIIEEEEE!!!!’ and Steve’s only defence of that as “science” is,
~shrugs~ “Well, it could happen.”
Yes. And the megafauna could suddenly return and EAT US ALL… “Well, it could happen.”
spot
10 Feb 12 at 5:49 pm
As I understand it, Darwin is located in the tropics, surrounded by ocean. As global mean temperatures rise, it will become increasingly “tropical”.
According to Wikipedia re tropical cities: “Average daily temperatures are typically at around 26.8°C (80.3°F) throughout the year. Extensive cloud cover and heavy rainfall prevent diurnal temperatures from rising much over 33°C (91.4°F.)”
Given this well known fact, it surprises me that the CC can continue to claim that Darwin will experience more and more days above 35 Deg. Where do they get this stuff from?
mondo
10 Feb 12 at 6:00 pm
The main point here is they are now guaranting a good payout and well paid remuneration for themselves by having their predictions of catastrophere so far out that when it does not not they would already have retired.
In the meantime they will always get extra funds for their research on important climate change reseaerch such as how CC will affect the Australian soldier or how CC will affect how quick cement dries.
George K
10 Feb 12 at 6:16 pm
steve
Heres a challenge for you.
Ask Mr Flannery which Indian coal company he works/advises for.
He will waffle about their enviro/solar efforts “for the poor”, but they are about as green as Al Gore.
Thats the one of the blokes heading our top greenhouse body.
Ps: Ive sent enquiries without an answer from his organisation, yet on ABC radio he mentioned it when asked the right question, but drowned the coal company info with a load of green bumf.
thefrollickingmole
10 Feb 12 at 6:38 pm
Actually, I gave you a link to show that indeed CSIRO work is predicting a significantly dryer, hotter, drought prone Western Australia in the coming century, and that Flannery’s prediction is for serious problems developing for Perth in the coming decades.
He might be taking the “high end” of worse possible outcomes for the city, but he’s not talking out of his arse either.
To which spot feebly replied “Steve mentioned ‘science’”
Yes, how outrageous, I should mention science when rebutting facile criticism of Flannery.
steve from brisbane
10 Feb 12 at 6:43 pm
People kept focusing on the 180K comp, Flattery is receiving for being the head of the commission (commission Lol).
I keep reminding them that this is nothing compared to the carrots he’s after like board seats and advisory roles that will come from the $ 11 billion friends-of-mad-dog-bob bank.
He’s after serious money.
JC
10 Feb 12 at 6:43 pm
Dickhead, Mrs. Steve. Predictions like that, no matter if it comes from the CSIRO, or money bags Flannery.. predictions like that are NOT science. They are pseudoscience.
JC
10 Feb 12 at 6:46 pm
I love steve’s link to the ‘big picture’. All of the actual measured temperatures are well below the big scary model’s predictions and he still calims that we have to take these fraudsters seriously.
My sides are still hurting from laughing so hard. Why has he still believe we should take him seriously.
Steve, YOU ARE A JOKE!!
johno
10 Feb 12 at 6:48 pm
where did he predict the end of Australian rainfall?
Jim Rose
10 Feb 12 at 6:48 pm
Yessiree, the electorate is in safe hands when the likes of johno have the vote.
steve from brisbane
10 Feb 12 at 6:54 pm
So Jono is the problem but people that voted for Rhiannon aren’t? You drop kick.
Clear the table and get to the dishes, Mrs. Steve. Your work never ends.
JC
10 Feb 12 at 6:56 pm
The bad news is that after half a dozen years of beclowning himself with short term predictions, Flannery has moved out to 20 year predictions.
It seems even idiots learn by their mistakes.
jupes
10 Feb 12 at 7:22 pm
No, they’re wrong. Some are genuine and honest and wrong. Some are leftist and ideological and lying.
ar
10 Feb 12 at 8:14 pm
Facile criticism. Yes, criticising Flummery is easy.
ar
10 Feb 12 at 8:20 pm
Tim Flannery’s bottom.
C.L.
10 Feb 12 at 8:27 pm
Sometimes I just wish you’d stick to economics Judith, this rubbish is just unbecoming of you.
pablo
10 Feb 12 at 8:47 pm
“Sometimes I just wish you’d stick to economics Judith”
So you’re happy spending tax payer’s money on the Climate Commission?
Really?
jupes
10 Feb 12 at 8:56 pm
And the CC are promoting an economic solution to CAGW.
ar
10 Feb 12 at 9:04 pm
After all his failed “running out of water..ghost city..” predictions, surely they haven’t let Flim Flan have another go, with temperatures have they?
That would seal it then, we are going into a mini ice age,as Flanners always gets it wrong by direction and quantity.
Jazza
10 Feb 12 at 11:46 pm
This disbelief in inevitable 25 metre sea level rises is solely due to the relentless negativity of the mad monk Tony Abbot.
.
11 Feb 12 at 9:36 am
Bunyip suggests tactic if you happen to be attending the Flummery Fest:
Gab
11 Feb 12 at 1:27 pm
Bunyip suggested tactic if you happen to be attending the Flummery Fest:
Gab
11 Feb 12 at 1:28 pm
I do tire of the dishonest, out of full context, quoting of Flannery’s “rain won’t fill the dams” answer from Lateline in 2007. Here it is in full:
The question was being asked at the height of the drought. His answer is qualified by talking about “initial impacts” and later by “if that trend continues”.
The reference to “the rain that falls” can at the very worst, be described as ambiguous. In context, however, I think it is extremely unlikely that you can fairly say he was arguing that floods and heavy rain would never happen again. It is contextually extremely likely reading that was referring to the “normal” levels of rain that would formerly fill a dam easily will not in the future do the job so readily. This is not a remarkable comment for much of Australia, given what the science is suggesting under AGW and climate change.
The dishonesty comes from Andrew Bolt continually only quoting the line
as if there was no doubt at all as to what that means.
As for his warnings of cities running out of water: Brisbane got down to about 15% level, even with stringent water saving measures in place, trees and gardens dying all over the place, and with no certainty as to how far down you could really continue using the water. (Would it be usable water at 5%, say?)
This indeed was too close for comfort for a metropolitan area of over a million people.
Steve from brisbane
11 Feb 12 at 2:09 pm
Give it up , Steve. No one takes you seriously. You are just a joke.
johno
11 Feb 12 at 3:48 pm
Tell that to the poor bastards below Wivenhoe.
cohenite
11 Feb 12 at 9:27 pm