Message received!

How much is Ann Coulter my favourite writer on politics! I know that we here are in the midst of our own political bloodbath but I thought I would drop her latest column into the mix just for variety. The US Presidential election is the most important we will have this year anywhere on the planet, and may in the long run affect us in Australia even more than any election we might contrive to have ourselves. I will just give you Ann’s conclusion. You can, if you are interested, read the rest for yourself.

We’re being asked to hand Obama another four years in the White House in order to ‘send a message.’ To whom? And what message? That we’re morons? Message received!

Meanwhile, Romney cheerfully campaigns on, the biggest outsider and most conservative candidate we’ve run for president since Reagan, while being denounced by the Establishment as ‘too Establishment.’

You’ll have to read the column to find out what she means.

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153 Responses to Message received!

  1. C.L.

    Pretty laboured attempt to flip the Establishment critique Romney’s way.

    Didn’t really work.

    The GOP base doesn’t like him. Limbaugh et alia reflect that; they don’t cause it.

  2. JamesK

    I posted this on the OF a short time ago:

    Wa-Po Thr Fix Blog:

    “I’m going to limit the deductions and exemptions particularly for the higher-income folks,” the GOP presidential candidate said at a campaign stop in Mesa, Ariz. “For high-income folks, we’re going to cut back on that, so that we ensure that the top 1 percent keeps paying the current share they’re paying and more.”* …….

    “Romney has repeatedly argued that he is not worried about the “very rich” and that his tax plan will actually hit the wealthiest Americans harder than the proposals of rival and former House speaker Newt Gingrich.

    Now, though, he’s apparently taking a page from the Occupy Wall Street movement — suggesting not only that the rich are fine but that they could possibly take a higher share of the burden.”

    The plain fact is that Romney is politically inept.

    He walks into repeated trhetoric mis-steps during the campaign.

    He’s now seeking the OWS vote apparently.

    He did this on the day he announces his new tax policy ensuring his message is lost on GOP Primary voters at least.

  3. Alex Pundit

    One way of measuring the strength of the U.S. economy is the value of their dollar compared to ours. Ours went up against theirs this month, so I’m not convinced that there is any real recovery in the works. Hopefully they’ll replace the guy in the White House in November and he’ll enact swift austerity measures, because right now the US Dollar is becoming worthless, and in being so is hurting our economy here down under.

  4. JamesK

    If you doubt US inflation, Gold is now $1,771.30 US an ounce

  5. .

    The sooner this vile woman stops publishing, the better off the Republicans will be.

  6. Alex Pundit

    The sooner this vile woman stops publishing, the better off the Republicans will be.

    Errr… no. They need to be listening to her because what she is saying makes perfect sense. Nobody but Romney stands a chance in November.

  7. JamesK

    Nobody but Romney stands a chance in November.

    I disagree.

    I also notice Alex provides no evidence to bolster an argument he doesn’t bother to make.

    Very Kates-like of you Alex.

  8. Steve Kates

    Seriously, James, why do you take anything from the Washington Post without a sack of salt? You might as well read the SMH or Age about Abbott. I find Ann’s column gels with my own impression being in the US. Romney is the closest thing we have to an electable conservative and instead Rick Santorum is leading in the polls. I’m with Ann on this, and I think Mark Steyn, that we will hand the election to Obama nominating any other candidate than Romney.

  9. Adrien

    If Ann Coulter keeps fawning over Romney like this CL’s going to start singing ‘Achy-Breaky Heart’ again.

  10. Infidel Tiger

    James has the hots for Santorum. Luckily a Santorum Presidency would make that illegal.

  11. Alex Pundit

    Thanks Steve. I totally agree with you there. As much as Coulter cops flack from people for being crazy (mainly left-wingers so you can take that opinion with a grain of salt too), she is completely dead on. Poll after poll has shown that Romney does best against Obama when the GOP isn’t having it’s fling of the month. Once the Santorum craze dies down, I bet you Romney will be back on top and in fact in front of Obama in the polls. I reckon that whenever Romney’s numbers go down, Obama gets the bump from those scores of independents who cross over. Which it pivot the other way soon.

  12. JamesK

    I don’t necessarily agree with Chris Cilizza, Steve – although his speciality is ‘politics’ and elections rather than policy and I do follow his blog.

    I don’t think he even criticised Romney for those remarks. In fact he provided a polling rationale for them.

    The problem is Romney. He said:

    “I’m going to limit the deductions and exemptions particularly for the higher-income folks,”

    and

    “For high-income folks, we’re going to cut back on that, so that we ensure that the top 1 percent keeps paying the current share they’re paying and more.”

    I don’t think this has flared up on conservative blogosphere yet but it will.

    His rhetorical boo-boos are becoming the norm.

    It’s not just that he’s removing deductions of the wealthy’s charitable deductions which will see a marked decrease in philanthropy, its the language and rhetoric he uses.

    Romney is gauche.

    He’s used Obama’s rhetoric and the rhetoric of the OWS.

    It’s really really dumb.

    I’m aware Steyn has problems with both – and I suspect more with Romney than Santorum – but we don’t know unless something recent has happened of which I’m unaware.

  13. JamesK

    James has the hots for Santorum.

    Actually IT, I don’t.

    My overwheming preference was for Paul Ryan.

    Like many other more preferable candidates he refused to answer the call for the “most important election in our lifetime”.

    Go figure.

    I still thing S, R, or G should win against Obama.

    I just think Santorum is the best prospect for vitory.

  14. .

    Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, that would be a dream team.

  15. Driftforge

    Romney is the only viable, sane candidate that is not named Ron Paul.

    Given that they are coming first and second in delegates so far, things are looking reasonably good for the GOP this time around.

    The quicker that Jihad Joe and the Grinch leave the race the better. Unfortunately with Jihad Joe riding high in the polls at the moment, it looks like we are still going to be putting up with him for some time yet.

  16. Jim Rose

    the quality of presidential primary candidates is poor.
    too many being running since I left college and too many second-raters.

  17. C.L.

    If Ann Coulter keeps fawning over Romney like this CL’s going to start singing ‘Achy-Breaky Heart’ again.

    A love affair between me and a skinny crypto-lesbian lapsed Methodist is entirely a figment of your imagination, Adrien. More accurate would be me connecting your lust to Nancy Pelosi.

  18. C.L.

    You have to struggle hard to be a Republican who gets the silent treatment at a gathering of Republican loyalists. But Santorum managed it by defending the orchestrated stealing of taxpayers’ money.

  19. Driftforge

    But Santorum managed it by defending the orchestrated stealing of taxpayers’ money.

    Interestingly, Ron Paul defended the same thing immediately afterwards to applause. Makes a difference when you explain why it is done, not just accept that it is the done thing.

    Santorum had a pretty hard night. Really didn’t have the answers to the criticisms that were laid on him, and ended the night complaining that he had been ganged up on by the other candidates.

  20. JamesK

    Good Weekly Standard piece on Romney’s main argument against Santorum oft referred to by CL:

    Was Santorum a Senate Spendthrift?

    “The National Taxpayers Union (NTU) has been rating members of Congress for 20 years. NTU is an independent, non-partisan organization that — per its mission statement — “mobilizes elected officials and the general public on behalf of tax relief and reform, lower and less wasteful spending, individual liberty, and free enterprise.” Steve Forbes serves on its board of directors.

    For each session of Congress, NTU scores each member on an A-to-F scale. NTU weights members’ votes based on those votes’ perceived effect on both the immediate and future size of the federal budget. Those who get A’s are among “the strongest supporters of responsible tax and spending policies”; they receive NTU’s “Taxpayers’ Friend Award.” B’s are “good” scores, C’s are “minimally acceptable” scores, D’s are “poor” scores, and F’s earn their recipients membership in the “Big Spender” category. There is no grade inflation whatsoever, as we shall see.

    NTU’s scoring paints a radically different picture of Santorum’s 12-year tenure in the Senate (1995 through 2006) than one would glean from the rhetoric of the Romney campaign. Fifty senators served throughout Santorum’s two terms: 25 Republicans, 24 Democrats, and 1 Republican/Independent. On a 4-point scale (awarding 4 for an A, 3.3 for a B+, 3 for a B, 2.7 for a B-, etc.), those 50 senators’ collective grade point average (GPA) across the 12 years was 1.69 — which amounts to a C-. Meanwhile, Santorum’s GPA was 3.66 — or an A-. Santorum’s GPA placed him in the top 10 percent of senators, as he ranked 5th out of 50.

    Across the 12 years in question, only 6 of the 50 senators got A’s in more than half the years. Santorum was one of them. He was also one of only 7 senators who never got less than a B. (Jim Talent served only during Santorum’s final four years, but he always got less than a B, earning a B- every year and a GPA of 2.7.) Moreover, while much of the Republican party lost its fiscal footing after George W. Bush took office — although it would be erroneous to say that the Republicans were nearly as profligate as the Democrats — Santorum was the only senator who got A’s in every year of Bush’s first term. None of the other 49 senators could match Santorum’s 4.0 GPA over that span.

    This much alone would paint an impressive portrait of fiscal conservatism on Santorum’s part. Yet it doesn’t even take into account a crucial point: Santorum was representing Pennsylvania.

    Based on how each state voted in the three presidential elections over that period (1996, 2000, and 2004), nearly two-thirds of senators represented states that were to the right of Pennsylvania. In those three presidential elections, Pennsylvania was, on average, 3 points to the left of the nation as a whole. Pennsylvanians backed the Democratic presidential nominee each time, while the nation as a whole chose the Republican in two out of three contests.”

    RTWT

  21. Oh come on

    I reckon Coulter is over-egging the pudding by claiming Romney is in fact the ANTI-establishment candidate. That doesn’t pass the sniff test – sorry, Ann.

    Can we please grow up over this issue? Who gives a crap whether Romney (or Santorum or Gingrich) are Establishment men or not – this is a silly, irrelevant sideshow based on petty vindictiveness and narrow-mindedness. It deflects needed attention from the main issues. And I believe that’s what Coulter argued.

    CL: that was a rather nasty, personal description of Coulter that reflects rather more poorly on you than her; and I say that as a long-standing admirer of your work. I think you crossed the line there.

  22. C.L.

    OK, she’s not a lapsed Methodist.

    …this is a silly, irrelevant sideshow based on petty vindictiveness and narrow-mindedness.

    No it isn’t. The Tea Party was one of the most remarkable popular protest movements of the past 100 years. Its participants wanted to reform the broken United States by banishing reckless big spending, liberty-dismissing statists – particularly the Republican Party. Owing to the rather luckless happenstance of not-yet-ready stars of the movement ruling themselves out of presidential runs, the GOP from the get-go began drifting away from what the Tea Party envisioned for 2012.

    On the bad management – as opposed to bad luck side of the ledger – the party’s establishment clearly decided that candidates too focused on limiting government in general, and slashing the budget in particular, were unsaleable in an (allegedly) entitlement-hooked electorate; too ‘radical.’ Romney became the perfect embodiment of this supposed realpolitic – which was also a casual and epically stupid betrayal of the aforementioned protest movement of the century (so far).

    So, no. The argument about the party hierarchy’s foolishness is not petty or narrow-minded. It is about principle and the importance of putting principle above banal pseudo-pragmatism.

  23. C.L.

    particularly those in the Republican Party

  24. JC

    CL

    My two cents worth. I thinks she’s pretty decent looking in a horsy Connecticut sense. Female girth size is a very personal thing.

  25. braddles

    Anyone who dislikes Mitt Romney for not being conservative enough would surely have to loath Tony Abbott and most of the Liberal Party.

  26. JamesK

    Some Republicans – particularly the Establishment™ – have no idea that the are cactus.

    There demise is programmed and they are unaware.

    The GOP is in the process of being bodysnatched – its exoskeleton used as host whilst the rotting carcas is being systematically replaced with Tea Party candidates.

    The Tea Party see it as Year 2 of a a ten year program.

    Ann Coulter, Mitt Romney and the likeable Speaker John Boehner – whose days are numbered – are blithely unaware as the rotting hulk is devoured and replaced from within.

    Its like a slowmo science fiction political moral allegory which is real

  27. C.L.

    I don’t dislike Mitt Romney for not being conservative enough.

    I’m not a conservative.

  28. C.L.

    But James, there’s a real disconnect between your approval of the Tea Party and your enthusiasm for Santorum. I don’t really get that.

  29. JamesK

    I like Mitt Romney and Tony Abbott but think they are essentially both big government statists.

    Tony Abbott stuck his neck out and won leadership because of a major change in policy.

    He just needs to be constantly encouraged in the right direction.

    So will Romney if he wins the Presidency.

  30. JamesK

    Best of a bad lot C.L.

    I’m becoming more impressed with him as the contest evolves.

    He refuses no interview and runs 3 events a day to Romney’s one and I do like the little guy.

  31. Rococo Liberal

    I don’t dislike Mitt Romney for not being conservative enough.

    I’m not a conservative.

    Then what are you? A staist Laborite with ante diluvian taste in music?

    Most of your utterances come straight out of the conservative playbook.

  32. Rococo Liberal

    statist not staist

  33. Driftforge

    Mitt Romney as the anti-establishment candidate is a pretty big reach. That role is solidly filled by Ron Paul. Romney is big business, big finance, moderate views. His strength is his capacity and his management. Would make a good president.

    Gingrich is a bit like Rudd. In it for himself and himself only. We’ve been through that nightmare.

    Santorum is.. the red meat candidate. The worst mix of state and religion. Corrupt, bought, slick, .. cloaked in religious fervour. What the luvvies imagine Abbott to be. Better than Gingrich, but we are talking levels of hell here.

    The world would be better off with Obama than Gingrich or Santorum.

  34. Rococo Liberal

    he world would be better off with Obama than Gingrich or Santorum.

    Wash your mouth out with soap. If any Republican gets in, he doesn’t walk into the WH alone but with a team. Odumbo is so bad because he team is full of those ‘sophisticated’ permanently adolescent, boho shitehwaks that only the Democrats can breed. Santorum or Gingrich will have better teams because they pull supporters from far cleverer stock.

  35. Sea Wolf

    The MSM want Romney to win the nomination. That would instantaneously de-fuse any argument over Obamacare.

    You can guarantee the religious card will get played against Romney in the vinegar strokes.

    For Coulter to suggest Romney is not the Establishment choice is surreal. He is the definitive country club republican.

    He is incapable of making the case for conservatism – certainly based on the evidence to date. In his own words he’s ‘moderate’ and ‘progressive’

    Santorum may not be the answer but he’s got momentum, presents an utter contrast to Obama and will motivate the grass roots. Ultimately, the key is to get the Senate and maintain the majority in the House.

    If Romney is the nominee, you can kiss America goodbye.

  36. JamesK

    Mitt Romney as the anti-establishment candidate is a pretty big reach. That role is solidly filled by Ron Paul

    Ron Paul is not only not Establishment, he is not Republican either.

    Come to think of it, I’m not sure he belongs on planet Earth really.

  37. C.L.

    Yeah, that’s me – a statist Laborite.

    Have you been on the sauce, RL?

    I want to radically transform the way our polities function in the Western world. Tear down the UN, tear down the EU, dismantle statism, shrink government, overturn the smug nanny state, cleanse corrupt judiciaries, transform education, roll back and de-march the institutions, re-vitalise small-scale social capital, etc. This is not a ‘conservative’ agenda.

    As for antediluvian tastes in music, what do you sing in your choir, RL – boring old Clash numbers? ;)

  38. Infidel Tiger

    Yeah, that’s me – a statist Laborite.

    Finally you admit it. Commie.

  39. JC

    Ladies, please. No squabbling in the war room.

  40. Oh come on

    But CL, there is a more than plausible case to make that Romney is indeed a Washington outsider, which is of course the epicentre of the Establishment – far more so than Santorum or Gingrich, both of whom very much went with the programme when they held office. Furthermore, who exactly are the Establishment? If you wish to tar Romney with this brush, this needs to be…er…established.

    I do agree with you on the TEA Party issue, and I think that Romney’s strategists – who have been pretty sound for the most part – have made a huge (possibly fatal) tactical blunder by not engaging the TEA Party more. There’s no reason why Mitt Romney couldn’t make inroads with them if Santorum can. None whatsoever. There are reasonable responses to the general criticisms made of Romney that (of which we’re all well aware of) by those who don’t trust him – and he needs to go and look them in the eye and state his case. If he did this – and he could, he’s done as much very effectively during the debates when he was successful – he’d be a shoo-in and we all still wouldn’t be fretting over whether he’s an Establishment man and what this might mean. Yet his strategists (or him, who knows) are fearful against putting him in front of TEA party crowds – and he gets invites all the time, so I’ve read, so it’s not as though they don’t want to hear what he has to say.

    It’s not too late, though. Grow a pair and go drink some TEA, Mitt. A lot. It’ll do you a whole world of good.

  41. C.L.

    Furthermore, who exactly are the Establishment?

    The Republican National Committee and its operatives and agents throughout the US political world.

    They want Romney. Not because he’s a Washington outsider but because he’s not interested in the – to them – intimidating Tea Party agenda.

    I also have to say that I find it hilarious that Mitt touts the Olympics. There are a dozen concert promoters in the world who routinely organise global tours on budget. It doesn’t make them icons of capitalism or financial geniuses.

    Same with the Bain crapola. It’s really no big deal to come into a broken business and kick arse to order. It’s something else entirely to create a business and sell goods or services profitably under your own managerial steam and initiative. That’s capitalism. That’s not Bain.

  42. .

    This is why I like Palin. She actually is an outsider. So what if she’s dumb? If she’s not too dumb to delegate and not let her arrogance pip her need to take advice – she would be good.

    IMO it is why Clinton, Reagan and Eisenhower were good.

  43. .

    I defend Bain because a lot of bean counters do insolvencies etc. They don’t kick butt like Bain did.

    Although, as someone as successful as Mitt is in the private sector, why doesn’t he have more faith in it?

  44. Oh come on

    If he started pressing the flesh with the TEA Party, would that change your opinion, CL?

  45. big dumb fu

    I want to radically transform the way our polities function in the Western world. Tear down the UN, tear down the EU, dismantle statism, shrink government, overturn the smug nanny state, cleanse corrupt judiciaries, transform education, roll back and de-march the institutions, re-vitalise small-scale social capital, etc. This is not a ‘conservative’ agenda.

    This sounds like a pretty damn solid agenda to me.

  46. JC

    I’m with you Dot. Carter and Nixon could have been the highest IQer’s to sit in the Oval Office and both were disasters.

    It’s the ability to delegate and know the good advice from the crap. Palin would be a decent president I think. She has the smarts for it.

  47. C.L.

    Palin was the logical candidate vis-a-vis the Tea Party movement. An outstanding libertarian, I think she pre-polled badly only because registered Republicans knew she’d be chewed up by the anti-Palin wacko community (or ‘the media,’ as they’re sometimes called). Her story was wonderful.

  48. .

    C.L.,

    You are more like me than you think.

  49. Les Majesty

    boring old Clash numbers?

    Fuck off. The Clash are probably the best band ever. John, Paul, George and Ringo didn’t write as many great songs as Strummer, Jones, Headon and Simenon.

  50. C.L.

    I like London Calling and Rock The Casbah.

    Did they write anything else?

  51. Driftforge

    Wash your mouth out with soap. If any Republican gets in, he doesn’t walk into the WH alone but with a team. Odumbo is so bad because he team is full of those ‘sophisticated’ permanently adolescent, boho shitehwaks that only the Democrats can breed. Santorum or Gingrich will have better teams because they pull supporters from far cleverer stock.

    I’ll credit that to some extent in Santorum’s case. But Gingrich … In his case the team is irrelevant.

    Even so, they have now had approaching 12 years of vacuous ‘team only’ presidents. It’s a pretty long bow to suggest there has been much change in the level of competency or the direction the country is going.

    If we aren’t going to get the reset that Ron Paul represents, then can we at least have someone at the helm who is rational and capable?

  52. JamesK

    Ron Paul and Ropmney were a tag team assaulting Santorum is the debate and Ron Paul spent big on anti-Santorum tv ads

    Rand Paul Says ‘It Would Be An Honor’ if Romney Asked Him to Be VP

    “Kentucky’s junior senator says it would be an honor to be considered as a possible running mate for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.”

    Paul praises Romney ‘management style’

    “Presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said on Sunday that opponent Mitt Romney has the best “management style” out of all of his remaining Republican contest rivals.”

  53. Infidel Tiger

    I couldn’t have dealt with Palin’s voice.

    It’s like starting an Aston Martin and hearing the engine note of a Bamix.

  54. Les Majesty

    Did they write anything else?

    That’s a joke, right?

  55. .

    I think that these are well known and pretty good:

    Should or Stay or Should I Go?

    Guns of Brixton (you’d like it C.L.)

  56. .

    Rudie Can’t Fail is another one I like.

  57. JamesK

    Sarah Palin is a political genius by instinct and she’s certainly intelligent

    That 2008 MSM assault took a toll sadly.

    She didn’t do the policy work necessary for a Presidential run.

    She is a very influential figure though.

  58. .

    Shit, I forgot how much I like them

    Train in Vain

    Straight to Hell (sampled for Paper Planes by M.I.A.)

  59. .

    She didn’t do the policy work necessary for a Presidential run.

    She is a very influential figure though.

    I thought Reagan was “reviled” during the 1970s.

  60. Driftforge

    Ron Paul is not only not Establishment, he is not Republican either.
    Come to think of it, I’m not sure he belongs on planet Earth really.

    Yes, he belongs to that other reality where the US stops acting like the playground bully and grows up.

  61. Oh come on

    JC: and for the same reason, I resent the passing of Herman Cain. I think he could well have made a great President. His method of problem solving was extremely logical – not like all the other politician wankers who think that the appearance of omniscience is an essential prerequisite for office, and thus find it necessary to have an answer for absolutely every little question thrown at them. Cain quite openly said “I only know what you know. When I have the intel that’s available to the President of the USA, I’ll be able to make a decision about *insert complex national security issue here*”. Now that’s a responsible answer. The others just make it up as they go along.

    And I agree with CL about Palin – I think she’s been whiteanted by the media. However, I don’t think she could come back from the shellacking she received. Unfair, but the liberals play dirty.

  62. .

    So he doesn’t have a problem with vanity – and he is 500 times more capable than Biden.

  63. Les Majesty

    Seriously, James, why do you take anything from the Washington Post without a sack of salt?

    I know. The pro-molestation WaPo? What gives?

    I’m with Ann on this, and I think Mark Steyn, that we will hand the election to Obama nominating any other candidate than Romney.

    As a hardcore radical leftist, I could totally get behind Mitt.

    He’s in favour of universal healthcare, he said you can’t cut spending in a recession, and now he’s picking up the OWS rhetoric about the 1%.

    Sure, he’s got to blather on a bit about how he was “severely conservative” as gov of the People’s Republic of Taxachusetts, but we all know what that means.

    The whole GOP nomination process is a joke. Everyone knows that Romney is going to tack way to the left for the general, just as he tried to outflank Teddy Kennedy (!) from the left when he ran for Senate.

    Look, I think Romney is a disgusting, soulless individual, but as a hardcore leftist I consider him hardly the worst possible GOP candidate.

    So I’m with you, Kates. Let’s go Mittens! Woo hoo! Gonna have two blue state Harvard Law leftists running against each other for Pres. It’s a progressive’s wet dream.

  64. JC

    Unfair, but the liberals play dirty.

    Never give them an even break. Ever.

  65. Les Majesty

    Last gang in town

    White man in Hammersmith Palais

    Stay Free – that song alone is as good as anything the Beatles did.

    For me, no other band rivals The Clash in terms of diversity of style, amazing hooks, intricate song structures, brilliant rhythm section, bitterness without cynicism, and pure punk ethos.

  66. daddy dave

    The Clash are probably the best band ever. John, Paul, George and Ringo didn’t write as many great songs as Strummer, Jones, Headon and Simenon

    Hey, I’m prepared to be convinced that the Clash were a great band. After all, there are plenty of brilliant artists that I never got acquainted with for one reason or another and the consensus seems to be that they were ‘great’ and have a place in the pantheon.

    But declaring them to be better than the Beatles is overkill. It’s hyperbole, a silly comparison, and a useless thing to say.

  67. Infidel Tiger

    I agree. The Clash sucked. Very racist too.

  68. JC

    Gonna have two blue state Harvard Law leftists running against each other for Pres. It’s a progressive’s wet dream.

    Except one wasn’t an affirmative action graduate. Big difference Les. One also did two simultaneous degrees and graduated at the top of his class. Again, big difference and you’re really saying chalk is cheese.

  69. Infidel Tiger

    Wait a minute, The Clash were actually anti-Islamic warriors! Go The Clash!

  70. Les Majesty

    But declaring them to be better than the Beatles is overkill. It’s hyperbole, a silly comparison, and a useless thing to say.

    Hey, it’s subjective but if I were to list the Beatles songs that I personally think are great, it would be shorter than the list of Clash songs that I personally think are great. Subjective but not hyperbolic.

  71. .

    The Beatles didn’t really got properly good after a few albums. Compare Elanor Rigby or Something to She Loves You. If the clash stuck around for long enough they could have bested them. It is the diversity of style that made them good.

    The Stones are better than both. Gimme Shelter is a near perfect song.

  72. Driftforge

    Ron Paul and Ropmney were a tag team assaulting Santorum is the debate and Ron Paul spent big on anti-Santorum tv ads

    Yeah, that’s nothing new. They’ve combined to eliminate Bachmann and Perry, and are still playing whack a mole with Gingrich and Santorum.

    It was just Santorum’s turn to get whacked.

    They make pretty good foils for each other. Ron Paul is a rock – devastating in criticism because he comes from his unique place of consistency and coherence. Romney is a hard place – none of the others can match him in terms of normal, capable, rational delivery.

  73. Les Majesty

    I agree. The Clash sucked. Very racist too.

    Seriously? They spoke frankly and openly about race but they were hardly racist.

    From Last Gang in Town:

    Meanwhile down in black town
    Those old soul rebels are haingin’ around
    An’ when some punk come alooking for sound
    Rastaferi goes to ground
    The white heart flipped his pocket dipped
    ‘Cos a black sharp knife never slips
    And they never say to one anotherer
    That tomorrow we might kill a brother

  74. Les Majesty

    The Stones are better than both. Gimme Shelter is a near perfect song.

    I think the Clash are more rhythmically interesting, which gives them better longevity.

    The Stones have the catchy Keith hooks which grab you the first time you hear the track, but Clash songs sound like noise until you have heard them about 20 times, then you realise they are brilliant and you never get board of listening to them.

  75. Driftforge

    Everyone knows that Romney is going to tack way to the left for the general.

    Ron Paul: Vice-President.

    Or Rand, but the effect is the same. Take the appropriate bits of both platforms and you have the rationale required to put together a very powerful platform for the general.

  76. Jim Rose

    jamesk, Mitt is the least flawed candidate. Newt is a sook.

    santorum is an old-style conservative, social conservative and not much into the free market, and he has no appeal to the independents who decide elections.

  77. C.L.

    We can agree that Jeff Beck’s finale at the White House clearly turned on Michelle and was the best power chord outro heard since Abe Linclon went berko on a banjo after one of his 50c cocaine hits back in the (18)60s.

    From 8.43 —>>>>>>>>>>>

  78. Les Majesty

    Anyone who thinks Mitt or any of the other no-hopers has a chance against this is on crack

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhO1DnNKYbo

  79. JamesK

    he has no appeal to the independents who decide elections

    I don’t agree Jim.

    Mittens is as you suggest, uninspiring.

    Santorum is a working class catholic and a battle-hardened and consummately discplined politician, capable at times of being inspirational

    The white working class traditional Dems don’t like Obama and don’t like Mitt.

    Independents aren’t university educated sandle-wearers.

  80. Infidel Tiger

    Anyone who thinks Mitt or any of the other no-hopers has a chance against this is on crack

    I noticed he needed a prompter for the lyrics.

    Can this joker even jerk off without help?

  81. JamesK

    What’s wrong with The Smiths?

  82. Gab

    Hey, he’s good a pretty decent voice. They should make him President or something.

  83. JC

    Santorum isn’t polling that badly actually.

    General Election Polls

    RasRpts: Obama 47, Romney 41
    RasRpts: Obama 46, Santorum 43
    AP/GfK: Obama 52, Gingrich 42
    AP/GfK: Obama 53, Paul 44

  84. Les Majesty

    Hey GWB was a pretty cool guy apart from, you know, starting a bunch of wars and killing a few hundred thousand people and doing irreparable damage to America’s prestige and finances.

  85. Alex Pundit

    killing a few hundred thousand people

    Say that to a solider serving over there.

  86. JC

    Tell you what, if Santorum wins bet the fucking farm on any firm with a made in America sicker on its wares, as he wants to reduce taxes for American manufacturers down to zero.

    Yes, differential taxation like that is pretty distorting, but who gives a toss if there’s money involved. Time to get religious and stuff after you’re rich.

    If he wins and it looks like he will get the zero tax thing through I will have made a ton of money or in the poor house because that’s a once in a lifetime thing.

  87. JC

    Alex;

    Don’t fall for it. Les is just trawling seeing if he can catch a fish this evening. He just stuck a line out the back of the boat.

  88. Les Majesty

    Say that to a solider serving over there.

    What I said is no reflection on any soldier, or – for that matter – on any airman or Marine (“soldier of the sea”), the overwhelming majority of whom served their country with honour and to the best of their ability.

    It was purely a reflection on the commander in chief, who led them into a futile war that did result in the deaths of (probably) hundreds of thousands of people.

    I wouldn’t blame Bush for going into Afghanistan, although he, Rummy and Cheney did fuck up its execution.

  89. JamesK

    Obama gave nothing but encouragement to Iran’s thugocracy as they slaughtered thousands to suppress the millions demonstrated against rigged election results

    Clinton described Bashar al-Assad a “Reformer”.

    This rotten regime (in the WH) needs to be removed in 8 months

  90. Sea Wolf

    Yeah, Les, Boosh started it. FFS.

  91. Mk50 of Brisbane

    killing a few hundred thousand people

    What a laugh, this genius believes the lancet figures!

    That’s hilarious.

  92. Gab

    See what you’ve started, Les? You’re as bad as Rudd.

  93. JamesK

    Perhaps 0% corporate tax for manufacturers and o/seas capitalists like JC already wanna get in on the action.

  94. C.L.

    Of course it wasn’t a futile war.

    We won.

    And we all know who started the ball rolling.

    Obama has lost the Afghanistan War, along the way amassing the worst fiscal deadbeatery in the history of the planet.

  95. Alex Pundit

    What I said is no reflection on any soldier, or – for that matter – on any airman or Marine (“soldier of the sea”), the overwhelming majority of whom served their country with honour and to the best of their ability.

    Yes you are. Those who volunteer to serve know fully what they are getting in to and understand that they’re going to have to kill people and you are calling them murderers, in the same way that the Nazis murdered Jews when they were ordered to by Hitler.

    It was purely a reflection on the commander in chief, who led them into a futile war that did result in the deaths of (probably) hundreds of thousands of people.

    I encourage you to go back and look at how many people were killed under the sanctions put on Iraq during the Clinton years. Figures estimate to be over 500,000.

  96. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Lez, it’s actually eleventy gajillion Iraqi’s killed by Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh

    Do keep up with the Lancet leftard talking points please.

  97. daddy dave

    Clash songs sound like noise until you have heard them about 20 times, then you realise they are brilliant and you never get board of listening to them.

    It’s interesting you say that because I had that experience once with a Talking Heads album. Although didn’t take 20 times but it did take a few goes through to ‘get it.’

    Some artists and some kinds of music take longer for you to get it than others.

  98. JamesK

    Les’ post at 10:41 is a classic Gab.

    Why did Tillman/does Les hate Kates so much?

  99. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Les is just trawling seeing if he can catch a fish this evening. He just stuck a line out the back of the boat.

    Nailed it.

    But he has a certain amusement value…..

  100. Les Majesty

    Oh IQ49 is back! Canberra’s very own latter day von Clausewitz.

    49, I hope you will expound further on your theory that “airpower” – your word – will not only result in destruction of the Iranian nuclear threat, but will in fact “starve” the Mullahs into submission and – there’s more! – magically lead to the creation of an independent Kurdish state.

  101. Les Majesty

    Some artists and some kinds of music take longer for you to get it than others.

    And they’re the ones you can listen to 20 years later and still really get into.

  102. Les Majesty

    you are calling them murderers, in the same way that the Nazis murdered Jews when they were ordered to by Hitler.

    Now you are just being silly. I never said or intimated any such thing.

    Consider yourself trolled, dummy. And fuck off.

  103. Les Majesty

    You’re as bad as Rudd.

    Can I say that that is uncalled for and below the belt?

  104. Mk50 of Brisbane

    JC, might not be Tillman, the stench and general infantilism of Lez more closely resembles thr.

  105. Gab

    Sorry, JamesK. I can’t hear you. Seems another battle has erupted here. I’ve donned the helmet, night vision goggles and flak jacket but the damn comms device is kaput!

    Stay safe.

  106. Gab

    Can I say that that is uncalled for and below the belt?

    No.

  107. Les Majesty

    JC, might not be Tillman, the stench and general infantilism of Lez more closely resembles thr.

    Yes, I’ve heard this “Tillman” fellow was pretty sophisticated.

    Most people seem to think he was the smartest person ever to post at the Cat (which is admittedly like being the world’s tallest dwarf, or the most “severely conservative” governor of Massachusetts).

  108. Alex Pundit

    Now you are just being silly. I never said or intimated any such thing.

    Consider yourself trolled, dummy. And fuck off.

    Oh yes you did, when you go and accuse people of criminally murdering someone, all parties complicit in that crime are guilty. Just like the Nazis who killed Jews who were just following orders. They were convicted of murder.

    Love the replies by the way. I’m not going anywhere.

    Anyway, thousands of Afghans have died in the war that Obama supported and escalated troop numbers in. He has also seen numbers of civilians killed by his drone strikes in places like Pakistan and elsewhere. Are you going to condemn him too? Something tells me you won’t.

  109. Les Majesty

    when you go and accuse people of criminally murdering someone

    Extra points for bringing Hitler into the thread – I can’t actually believe we made it to 100 comments before dear old Adolf popped his head above the parapet – but minus points for “criminally murdering” (LOL) and extra minus points for appalling use of basic HTML, giving you an aggregate score of negative infinity.

    But thanks for playing. Better luck next time, dumbass.

  110. JC

    JC, might not be Tillman, the stench and general infantilism of Lez more closely resembles thr.

    naaaaa. It’s Tillman alright.

  111. Alex Pundit

    Extra points for bringing Hitler into the thread – I can’t actually believe we made it to 100 comments before dear old Adolf popped his head above the parapet – but minus points for “criminally murdering” (LOL) and extra minus points for appalling use of basic HTML, giving you an aggregate score of negative infinity

    OH ZOMG! WHAT A ZINGER! I hit the wrong button when making a block quote. DAMN! I’m owned! What do I do? I am so embarrassed! I should just stop posting and never come back….

    Really, when you’ve got an actual rebuttal to my points and no red herrings, that will be the day.

  112. I don’t understand the arguement the Presidents Reagan, Bush I , Clinton, Bush II, Obama all had there wars in the middle east. So what exactly is the problem.

  113. Alex Pundit

    So Les, are you going to say to a soldier that they were complicit in the killing of hundreds of thousands of people (these are innocent people you are bringing up because you wouldn’t bring them up if they were terrorists)?

    Please let us know how they react, because the last person to do that, a guy by the name of Jesse Ventura, got knocked to the floor by a SEAL.

  114. Les Majesty

    I should just stop posting and never come back….

    I think you are on to something. Keep working with that idea and see where it takes you.

    Really, when you’ve got an actual rebuttal to my points and no red herrings, that will be the day.

    My rebuttal is that you are flagrantly making shit up and generally conducting yourself like a jackass.

  115. Alex Pundit

    When asked on US television if she [Madeline Albright, US Secretary of State] thought that the death of half a million Iraqi children [from sanctions in Iraq] was a price worth paying, Albright replied: “This is a very hard choice, but we think the price is worth it.”

    Now anyway, could you imagine if someone like Rumsfeld, Powell or Rice had said this about Iraq, how the media would react?

    More choice quotes from Democratic officials on the deaths of Iraqis due to sanctions

  116. Alex Pundit

    My rebuttal is that you are flagrantly making shit up and generally conducting yourself like a jackass.

    Really, like what? You accused soliders of murdering people (factoid).

  117. Les Majesty

    (these are innocent people you are bringing up because you wouldn’t bring them up if they were terrorists)?

    Mate, you are making shit up and arguing against yourself. You are inventing words and ideas I never said or expressed.

  118. Les Majesty

    You accused soliders of murdering people

    Uh, no I didn’t. Stop being a jackass.

  119. The way to see the Democrats and Republicans regarding foreign policy is as a multi headed monster that you can’t kill. Ron Paul is trying to kill it with little success.

  120. JC

    Kel

    Stop worrying about US foreign Policy. Enjoy life.

  121. Alex Pundit

    I think you are on to something. Keep working with that idea and see where it takes you.

    Mate, I have faced down people smarter than you here. They never came back. I remained.

    You are inventing words and ideas I never said or expressed

    Like I said, say that what you said before to a soldier and see how they react. They won’t care what your intention is, they will only care about what you face would look like on the floor.

  122. just adding my 2 cents worth to absolutely stupid arguements. Like about murders of course murders happen in wars they have in every one since biblical times. This is just one of the things that happens in wars of any scale.

  123. Les Majesty

    Mate, I have faced down people smarter than you here. They never came back. I remained.

    Well, I guess I have been warned.

    Guys, if you never hear from me again it’s because Alex Pundit nailed me as a Hitlerian illegal murderer.

    say that what you said before to a soldier and see how they react.

    Yeah, you are probably correct.

    If I repeated my earlier comment about GW Bush being a “pretty cool guy”, I would probably get smacked by a serviceman angry at that dumbass chickenhawk son of a bitch getting 3,000 of his comrades killed in a useless bloody war in Iraq that irreparably damaged America’s prestige and finances.

  124. Alex Pundit

    , I would

    probably get smacked by a serviceman angry at that dumbass chickenhawk son of a bitch getting 3,000 of his comrades killed in a useless bloody war in Iraq that irreparably damaged America’s prestige and finances.

    So, when are you going over to Iraq and laying down in front of those tanks with your shotgun full of flowers? When are you going to join the UN Blue Helmets?

    Or are you a chickendove?

  125. Les Majesty

    Ok, AP. You have faced me down. I surrender. You win. I tried my hardest but you are just too damn good. You have defeated me with your logic, your excellent spelling and your mastery of HTML.

  126. Oh come on

    Oh my, it’s evident after watching Obama sing Sweet Home Chicago that the Prez is tragically unhip.

    This would never have happened if he’d been prepped by that studly young body man, recently torn from his bosom, who taught him how not to look completely square.

  127. C.L.

    Bush was truly great.

    Won the Iraq War, protected the homeland, set in place the security superstructure and programs that caught KSM and bin Laden (and which have been maintained in toto by a grateful – if beclowned – Obama), saved millions of lives in Africa (where he is more revered than B. Hussein), did his best to combat the Democrat financial crisis (18 warnings about Freddie and Fannie were ignored by bribe recipients like Chris Dodd and Barack) and destroyed Al Qaeda throughout the world (after their 8 years of relaxed holiday living under Bill Clinton).

    Managed not to start an arms & narco-terror war in Mexico.

    Thank you, President Bush:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRPtsJ1487w

  128. Oh come on

    My rebuttal is that you are flagrantly making shit up and generally conducting yourself like a jackass.

    Well, that’s THR’s MO.

  129. daddy dave

    Guys, “Les Majesty” is Tillman. No question.

    Mk50 seems to have been thrown because Les referred to himself as a “hardcore radical leftist” – but Mark I think you just got trolled on that score. Welcome to Tillman’s unique brand of humour.

  130. Oh come on

    Yeah, I know Les is Tillman. I just couldn’t resist having a pop at THR.

  131. bruce

    Indology and Indian politics are my main fields.

    People who list all the problems with Iraq (tribalism, yada yada…) don’t realise that they are also describing India.

    If Iraq was ‘pointless’ then so is modernity itself, the whole liberal project – we should give up and return to medievalism. But India has made progress and so can Iraq in the same ways.

  132. Driftforge

    Stop worrying about US foreign Policy. Enjoy life.

    Ever occurred to you that we are ‘foreign policy’ for them? That, as well as how badly and how quickly they screw their currency over, are the outcomes that will affect us.

    Ron Paul is 2/2 for better outcomes in those areas. I don’t think there are any others that even get 1/2.

  133. JamesK

    Ever occurred to you that we are ‘foreign policy’ for them?

    Yes.

    And their ‘friendship’ means we can’t be bullied – which makes the rest of ur comment farcical.

  134. Driftforge

    And their ‘friendship’ means we can’t be bullied – which makes the rest of ur comment farcical.

    Or means we can.

  135. Driftforge

    But more importantly, it’s not so much how we are treated directly, but the effect and attitude the US has toward the world.

    You’ve got two guys running, who for different reasons are frothing at the mouth to invade Iran. One who would do so after consideration. And one who would let Iran get on with being Iran and generally not bothering anyone.

  136. Driftforge

    So.. it’s all about the popcorn then?

  137. JamesK

    The Iranian theocracy is busy preparing the way for the arrival for the 12th Imam and their intentions are benign or somesuch according to Drifty and Paul

    Those Israelis and Americans concerned about an Iranian or Iranian sponsored terrorist nuclear bomb are paranoid and only inciting the Iranians to do exactly that according to Drifty and Paul.

    A joke without a point, inane and bald, itself a joke on joking may be called

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  139. Rococo Liberal

    CL

    Sorry I didn’t get back to you yesterday.

    Yes, you are a Tory. All the things on your wish list were things that Conservatives want, and now you praise George W Bush for those conservative qualities.

    Don’t be an ass about classical music. Like all great high culture, it is always hip.

    I was never a huge Clash fan. Out of the big three punk acts, I much preferred the Sex Pistols and Wire, both of which were taking the piss out of the seriousness with which wallies like Mick Jagger were taking what is really just a bit of fun.

    AS someone noted above, the problem with the Stones after 67 (Between the Buttons) was that they became a boring bunch of pseudo-yankee headbangers. In the 70s Bowie was far more interestin.

  140. Steve Kates

    I just posted this on Club Troppo in reply to the above link but who knows how their moderation process goes. This is what I said:

    Not sure if your point was that I am ignoring what’s going on in Australia. I have posted on our local in-house brawl as you can see here. But whichever one of Gillard or Rudd might end up the leader next week, we will still have the same Labor-Green alliance making our collective political decisions until August 2013 so how will any of this matter? Unless you think we here in Australia will have an early election in 2012 – hope so but I doubt it – the fact remains that ‘the US Presidential election is the most important we will have this year anywhere on the planet, and may in the long run affect us in Australia even more than any election we might contrive to have ourselves.’

    Nor should it be thought I am in any doubt how urgent it is we get sensible, productive government here in Australia as quickly as possible. But as Rudd’s pitch is that he can deliver government to the ALP in 2013, it would be pretty gruesome all round should that actually be the case.

  141. Alphonse

    Blame Cheney, Addington, Bush XLIII, Fox, Limbaugh and the rest of the right wing radicals. Romney is the only GOP conservative left standing. All the other conservatives are now Democrats.

    The US is now right wing conservatives (Dems) v right wing radicals (GOP). Of course, the right wing radicals are prone to referring to the right wing conservatives as “Alinskyite Socialists”, “Islamist Apologists” etc.

  142. .

    That has got to be a piss take.

    I blame the relentless negativity of the MAD MONK Tony Abbot.

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