How Hamilton forgets

So Clive Hamilton might not remember calling for the temporary suspension of democracy but what else doesn’t he remember?

This morning he calls on the ATO to audit the IPA because

The IPA is notoriously secretive about its sources of funding.

The public may not have the means to shed light on the murky world of IPA finances, but the Tax Commissioner does. He should open up the Institute’s books to ensure it is complying with the law and to force on the IPA the transparency it demands of others.

He clearly doesn’t remember running a think tank – mind you the shirt-tail on his piece reminds us all about the Australia Institute.

He was formerly the executive director of the Australia Institute, which he founded in 1994.

How did he reply to the funding question during that time?

Hamilton, too, is coy about benefactors but claims they do not attach strings to funding. He says the institute has a mixed group of board members whose opinions do not necessarily tally with research findings. They include the ACTU president, Sharan Burrow, and Melbourne businessman Kim Todhunter, who heads Tricom Securities. The institute has 500 members and has drawn funds from commissioned research for organisations such as the NSW Environmental Protection Agency, BP, AGL, the Australian Conservation Foundation and Greenpeace.

But the bulk of its money comes from an offshoot of Rupert Murdoch’s family – the Kantors – who became wealthier when they sold their stakes in Murdoch’s company to him and channelled funding to Hamilton’s group through two private organisations, the Poola Foundation and Treepot Foundation.

Speaking of transparency the IPA financial statements can be found here. The Australian Institute’s are here, no here, no …

Update: While you’re at The Drum read the comments thread.

Update II: The Bunyip comments here.

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98 Responses to How Hamilton forgets

  1. Carpe Jugulum

    I got a comment printed at the drum – the first one i’ve gotten through.

  2. Jc

    Lord he’s a first rate scum bag. He has venom running through his veins.

    I guess as professor of ethics the bald cue ball also forgets his own shyness at divulging funding sources.

  3. JamesK

    It’s fortunate for reason’s sake that Clive Hamilton is a Green.

    He’s such a transparently ignorant thug that he’s actually a net negative to the causes he champions.

    SHY has the same effect but from the stupidity rather than mere nastiness angle.

  4. C.L.

    What an appalling thug.

    Unleash Bird.

  5. Token

    With the editorial standards Jonathan Pinata keeps, how could a story like this get through?

  6. Rabz

    Yep, time for an attack of the angry avian…

    Oh and speaking of the temporary suspension of democratic processes, I have a feeling that Ms dullard hasn’t forgotten that memorable call.

  7. Sleetmute

    Seriously. You have donations of half a million bucks a year out of $1.7m in total income and staff salaries of less than a million pa. You guys run on the smell of an oily rag and the idea that you could hire such good people and make such effective arguments on such little money purely to push some right-wing conspiracy is a joke. If corporates were serious about ‘deterring democracy’ to push their interests, they would donate millions to you.

  8. Does TAI pay ANU rent for its premises there?

  9. Gab

    The IPA must be doing something right for Hamilton to want to close it down. Which is what he’s gunning for.

    Yet again, the leftards hate alternative views and say ‘shut up’.

  10. .

    LOL

    anote :
    24 Feb 2012 10:07:01am
    Is Clive trying to ruin one of the best sources of entertainment on The Drum?

  11. .

    That Mulga Mumblebrain must smoke a herculean amount of weed. He’s totally troppo.

  12. Gab

    Where’s Steve? He’s always banging on about the IPA and funding. Did he put Clive up to this?

  13. Rococo Liberal

    Sue the bugger for defamation

  14. cohenite

    I would clarify this:

    Donations received $505,828

    I say that knowing full well that nothing any organisation or person who opposes AGW says or does will stop rancid hypocrites like Hamilton from regurgitating their endless bile and venom.

    What Hamilton is doing goes beyond noble cause corruption, although it shares many of the qualities of that; those are subverting existing moral and legal constraints, or at least advocating breaking the law, suspending democracy, using the law to prosecute ‘deniers’, using children as agitprop, lying, exaggerating, in short doing what it takes, the end justifies the means.

    Hamilton is really a misanthrope, as are all greens; he despises people; he is an elitist in the sense that he regards himself as being superior to ordinary people, so he is not bound by the normal constraints. His hypocrisy is that he masks this by a scintilla, a veneer of concern for people.

    Hamilton is an hysteric, he genuinely believes the world is going to end , however his concern is not for the people but the cause. Ultimately that cause is his ego and ideology.

  15. Nic

    I loved the comment from Gnome:

    For a supposed “Professor of Public Ethics” to trot out the protocols of the elders of global warming after the only damning document in it was so quickly proved a fake, brings disgrace on the ABC and on the institution which employs him. Imagine his squeals if the deniers faked a document.

    So Clive thinks the Heartland Institute is “probably the most important climate science denying organisation in the United States”? They do pretty well then don’t they, with their total budget of around $7 million, about a quarter of which is spent on climate campaigning.

    The ABC should do so well with so little! It makes a mockery of the claims of “well funded climate deniers”.

  16. JC

    So far Cue ball has suggested

    1. suspend democracy

    2. Advocate the use of children to attack their parents if they work for firms that produce emissions (reminiscent of the old Soviet regime).

    3. Use security services like ASIO to spy on people that disbelieve climate science.

    4. sic the tax office on the opposition .

    This is coming from a so-called professor of ethics. Since the Alliance has called for a ‘quiry to chill political opposition it’s now an entirely new game. The new conservative government should demand his immediate dismissal from the university in the same way a NAZI would not be tolerated. Fire the fucking douchebag and make sure he is unable to ever work for a taxpayer funded salary ever again. Fire him with cause.

  17. Ian

    Professor Bunyip has some free advice for Jonathan Green (and by extension the ABC’s lawyers).

    Based on past form, it’s doubtful they’ll listen.

  18. grumpy

    One of the benefits of being a rabid green leftie is never having to say you’re sorry because you can always forget anything you have ever said.

    Too bad the interwebby thing remembers forever.

  19. JC

    One of the benefits of being a rabid green leftie is never having to say you’re sorry because you can always forget anything you have ever said.

    Not really. He earns a government funded stipend, so even if he forgets his paymasters shouldn’t. Fire him without any remorse.

  20. .

    Hamilton is like our Cass Sunstein. An evil bald communist gnome.

  21. hammygar

    Clive Hamilton:

    This is because the implications of 3C, let alone 4C or 5C, are so horrible that we look to any possible scenario to head it off, including the canvassing of “emergency” responses such as the suspension of democratic processes.

    This is far from advocating the suspension of democratic processes. You lot are deliberately misinterpreting his words. Disgraceful. Of course the right have never let the truth stand in the way of their distorted views.

    [FTFY – Sinc]

  22. .

    Why would you suggest canvassing such options if you didn’t believe in this or to intimidate the opposition?

  23. JC

    Hamilton is like our Cass Sunstein. An evil bald communist gnome.

    Dot, the new government has no responsibility in funding such people. It’s a fucking scandal that cue ball is a professor of ethics and advocates those extremists positions. There’s no way I want my quarterly cheque to help fund this unethical professor of ethics. The coalition needs to grow a set of balls and fire him.

  24. sean

    Lol hammygar. It was a ridiculous comment to make by a ridiculous man.

  25. JC

    Hammgar:

    Go fuck yourelslf, you dishonest leftist sack of shit.

    Cue ball used weasel words in order to try and give himself a out. If he doesn’t believe in suspending democracy, then why suggest such a thing. He’s a weasel, just like you.

  26. cohenite

    Look, one of the dominant obscenities of the AGW scam is that the ‘deniers’ are disproportionally funded compared with the alarmists. Some figures:

    1 In Australia between now and 2015 $13.2 billion will be given to sustainable energy projects; at the same time the feed-in tarrif solar panel scheme in NSW will cost $1.75 billion; other ‘energy’ schemes like Flannery’s Geodynamics have cost 100’s of millions. None will produce any energy; you might as well put the money up a whale’s kyber.

    2 Also in Australia government bureacracies, at all levels of government, are costing ‘100’s of millions to run.

    3 World wide it is nose bleed time. The Carbon Disclosure Project (CDP) is an organisation which promotes AGW and controls over CO2 emissions. The CDP represents 655 institutional investors, with a combined $78 trillion under management.

    4 Superannuation fund support of AGW is gigantic. The UNEP FI, a large Super fund with strong associations with the IPCC has funds worth $15 trillion under its control. Likewise the The Institutional Investors Group on Climate Change (IIGCC) is strongly involved in promoting and investing in pro-AGW projects and has $7.5 trillion under its control.

    5 Back in Australia the head of CSIRO is Megan Clarke, formerly of Rothschilds Bank, who runs, in a private capcity, sustainability projects. Then there is Purves, Wootton and Woods dishing out millions to the cause. And what about government grants to the pro-AGW scientists. I had to rely on a Bolt article for this because the former link to the government department listing the pro-AGW grants to scientists has been taken down!

    I could go on but the fact is there is NO money going towards disputing AGW; all the money is being poured into promoting AGW.

  27. JamesK

    How does hammygar stand up wiv his two feet shot to shit ‘n all?

  28. Rafe

    Bunyip posting after noon, another big night?

    Do we have to read the comments Sinc, can’t we just flail ourselves with serpents or something like that for our penance?

  29. Gab

    As Doomlord notes, Bunyip has a few questions for Hamilton:

    The Silly then goes on to list known Hamiliton backers — “NSW Environmental Protection Agency, BP, AGL, the Australian Conservation Foundation (ACF) and Greenpeace”. Whether Hamilton revealed these names or if they were uncovered by the reporter is not made clear.

    Perthaps Hamilton would like to explain why those donors do not call his own credibility into question, especially the money handed over by the warmists at ACF and Greenpeace.

  30. JC

    How does hammygar stand up wiv his two feet shot to shit ‘n all?

    Huh? What’s that about?

  31. Token

    This is far from advocating the suspension of democratic processes. You lot are deliberately misinterpreting his words.

    What a surprise, the serial troll Hammygar tries to divert a thread with his moronic opinions.

  32. JC

    What a surprise, the serial troll Hammygar tries to divert a thread with his moronic opinions.

    Lol.. He really can’t stand contrary opinion like most leftwing numbnuts. He really gets worked up.

  33. cohenite

    One of the dominant obscenities of the AGW scam is the mantra that the ‘deniers’ have the disproportionate share of funding. This is grotesquely wrong; some figures:

    1 In Australia between now and 2015 $13.2 billion will be given to clean energy ponzie scams. At he same time in NSW the solar pnael feed in tarrif scheme will cost $1.75 billion. Then there are the other schemes like Flannery’s Geodynamics which have gobbled up 100’s of millions of taxpayers’ money. Noen will deliver any return; you might as well stick the money up a whale’s kyber.

    2 Also in Australia 100’s of millions is spent annually on all ‘climate change’ bureaucracies; and the BOM and CSIRO cost a $billion between them and speak only in the AGW tongue; the CSIRO is also run by Megan Clark, ex of Rothschilds bank, who runs in a private capacity carbon capture projects.

    3 Globally it is nose bleed time. The Carbon Disclosure Project (CDP) is an agglomeration of companies which invests in pro-AGW projects and has 655 institutional investors, with a combined $78 trillion under management. Superannuation funding is increasingly investing in pro-AGW schemes. UNEP FI has strong ties with the IPCC and has $15 trillion to play with while The Institutional Investors Group on Climate Change (IIGCC) has $7.5 trillion to achieve the shift to a low carbon economy. And did anyone mention Soros?

    4 Back in Australia government grants to AGW research is attracting the right sort. I had to link to a Bolt article on the subject because the government site which formerly had the details of the $392 million [in grants in one year] has been taken down!

    I could go on but the point is this is money which can only be spent once and it is all going to shitheads of one sort or another.

    And yet creeps like Hamilton still get a platform on our ABC [which costs over $1 bill PA] to peddle bullshit about the IPA and Heartland with their pocket money funding.

  34. papachango

    gawd the comments are appalling on the Drum. What a bunch of rabid haters.

  35. hammygar

    So now Catallaxy has take to interfering with comments from those whose views they dislike. Disgraceful.

    [I regularly fix errors. Sinc]

  36. Rabz

    … we look to any possible scenario to head it off, including the canvassing of “emergency” responses such as the suspension of democratic processes.

    Reads pretty clearly to me.

    Yep, it’s just so preposterous that I could never imagine juliar dullard and the walking corpse holding to a presser to announce “the emergency suspension of democratic processes”.

    Never in a million years, just like the carbon tax we were never going to get.

  37. JamesK

    Ur shooting yourself in the feet again hammy.

  38. Rabz

    Catallaxy has take to interfering with comments from those whose views they dislike

    An activity that lobotomised leftists would never engage in, eh hammster?

  39. hammygar

    He really can’t stand contrary opinion like most leftwing numbnuts. He really gets worked up.

    So now disagreeing with the consensus here is translated to “can’t stand contrary opinion”.

    At least you understand that the vitriol against Hamilton is nothing but “opinion”!

    The fact is that most comments on this blog simply promulgate hatred of those who views differ from yours. And you have the gall to criticise The Drum commenters. Amazing!

  40. JamesK

    Amazing!

    u really are a blinkered clown hammy

  41. Rabz

    hammster,

    Given that you progressive arsewipes are hell bent on destroying my country and my way of life, yes – I do hate you and your ilk.

    I hate you with an undying passion.

    I hate you so much that I’d happily feed you and your fellow commie morons to sharks driven to an absolute frenzy by having been subjected to several days of bruce springsteen and mariah carey at deafening volume.

    I hate you so much that I’d happily dump the lot of you from a great height into an open volcano.

    I hate you so much that I’d happily blast the lot of you into orbit just for the pleasure of knowing you’d never darken this planet with your insane, hypocritical, self righteous idiocy evah again.

    Etc, etc, etc.

  42. JC

    At least you understand that the vitriol against Hamilton is nothing but “opinion”!

    Who suggested the comments about cue ball are anything but opinion, Hammster, you leftwing nutball.
    However you also need to add that they’re opinions based on the what cue ball has said in the past and is now now advocating sicing the ATO on the opposition. In my opinion, cue ball has crossed the line into rancid extremism and ought to be fired.

    The fact is that most comments on this blog simply promulgate hatred of those who views differ from yours.

    Who has suggested anything about hating. Cue ball is an extremist loon. So are you. Cue ball works on a taxpayer funded salary. You either work for the public sector or are on Centrelink “award wages”. Neither of you should be sucking on the public trough like that, especially him. He needs to be fired.

    And you have the gall to criticise The Drum commenters. Amazing!

    Not all. Most of them aren’t complete nutcases like you Hammster. And by the way, stop advocating stealing people’s money like you do on other sites, you thief as it’s not a good look.

  43. JC

    What’s wrong with the Boss, Rabz. I take offense at that slur.

    Hammster, there’s one person that despises you and what you stand for. Man, he really hates you, hey? lol.

  44. hammygar

    [I regularly fix errors. Sinc]

    No error here. I accurately copy/pasted a quote from Hamilton and emphasised a few words to illustrate my point. I suppose I should have said at the end “my emphasis” for those who suffer from a gross intelligence syndrome. If that’s the point you’re making, then I’ll change my practice. I hope all contributors here use the same etiquette (if they know the meaning of the word).

  45. .

    No Hammy.

    Why would you suggest canvassing such options if you didn’t believe in this or to intimidate the opposition?

    He truly is a bald evil communist gnome.

  46. Rabz

    JC,

    Then sustitute the boss for billy bragg or baldy chunderland man (garrett) or any other male rock artiste you can’t stand…

  47. JC

    I hope all contributors here use the same etiquette (if they know the meaning of the word).

    lefties…always want to be treated nicely.

    Hammster, if you want to be treated well you have to do two things.

    1. Stop the lying or stop supporting people that openly lie.

    2. Stop advocating theft or supporting people that advocate stealing.

    Otherwise, you will never receive any respect and will be treated like you deserve.

  48. Rabz

    Yeah, ‘stop talking crap’, hammster and the respect will flow like the lerve on display at a national press club speech delivered (stillborn) by the walking corpse…

    Or maybe not.

  49. tbh

    Yeah, it’s not like principled lefties don’t get a fair hearing here.

  50. Carpe Jugulum

    My favourite comment so far on the drum from Tom;

    There’s a good reason Clive isn’t granted an audience outside leftwing opinion ghettos like this. His language is the signature of a paranoid simpleton.

  51. JC

    TBH

    Who cares if they get a hearing or not? It’s not as though they are open to it anywhere else … like the alliance running a ‘quiry against their critics.

    Seriously who gives a rats if leftwingers feel they get a fair hearing or not. You can count the number of leftwingers critical of the ‘quiry on one hand. They want to play that game, just up the ante.

    Fuck’em.

  52. Token

    gawd the comments are appalling on the Drum. What a bunch of rabid haters

    If you took away the right to hate from the left what would they have?

    * The number of people who have died due to the lefty social experiments globally.
    * The fact every country that follows lefty economics are basket cases.
    * The thousands personal accounts of events that are naturally contradictory as everyone fights for that one morsal of success in the banquets of failure.

  53. thefrollickingmole

    Dot

    Mulga is a rabid anti-semite, I had quite a stoush with him a few years back and called him out over it.
    Wrote a letter to their ABC with some of his more choice comments, action taken,,,, none.

    But the slithering toad had toned the anti semitism down, if you want a bit of fun it should still be possible to bait him into some extremist comments.

    Heres one on the ABC being controlled by israelis.
    Mulga Mumblebrain :
    25 Apr 2008 10:15:04am

    Precisely, Surprised. Apparently Kohn either cannot read or has such habitual contempt for the intelligence of the public that she thinks she can get away with such vulgar misrepresentations. Habitual listeners to the so-called ‘Religion Report’ know it to be a veritable clearing-house for Islamophobic hatred.When Islam is covered it is invariably critically, or a sympathetic ear is lent to hatemongers against Islam. Discussion of Judaism, is, in contrast, generally sympathetic. And can that come as any surprise when Crittenden, some months ago, during a typical piece where the ethnic cleansing and Judaisation of Jerusalem was covered with considerable sympathy, mentioned the fact that he was able to gaze into the program control room and look on all the beaming ‘Israeli faces’.
    Now I wonder what the reaction of the Right would be if the Religion Report, or any other ABC program, or any other media outlet in this country was dominated by beaming Moslem faces, or Palestinian ones? It hardly bears contemplation!

    There is a heap more at the link,

  54. Token

    So now disagreeing with the consensus here is translated to “can’t stand contrary opinion”.

    You really are a tool. Your transparent attempts to divert the thread will not work.

    The fact is what “Happy” Hamilton said is on the record about how little he values democratic freedom when it comes to contrary opinions.

    The fact is Happy demands accountability from the IPA whereas he refused the same for the Australia
    Institute.

    Please bang away… you are free to troll within limits.

  55. .

    Habitual listeners to the so-called ‘Religion Report’ know it to be a veritable clearing-house for Islamophobic hatred.When Islam is covered it is invariably critically, or a sympathetic ear is lent to hatemongers against Islam. Discussion of Judaism, is, in contrast, generally sympathetic.

    I don’t want to see Islamic moderates tarred with the wrong brush, but how many terrorist attacks have Jewish extremists committed since 1993?

    Like I said – Mulga must have smoked Churchillian amounts of weed. Credit where it is due.

  56. Token

    Mulga is a rabid anti-semite, I had quite a stoush with him a few years back and called him out over it.

    Whenever Happy gobs off at women, jews, non-believers, it is the fault of his other personality Jacob, its not Happy, truly!

    In spite of this, MWD endorses Hamilton for Higgins. The reason? Well if the learned doctor wins, the electorate of Higgins will have two politicians for the price of one – Clive Hamilton and also Jacob Hamilton.

    Confused? Well, that’s not surprising. But all was revealed when Clive Hamilton was interviewed by Caroline Jones on the ABC Radio program The Search for Meaning on 27 February 1994. Clive told Caroline that he was much influenced by the philosopher Carl Jung. So much so that he has an OTHER SELF – whom, it turns out, is a bloke called Jacob. We all know that Clive is a real luvvie and a good bloke. Not so Jacob. Clive told Caroline that Jacob is a foul-mouthed murderer and an abuser of women. However, it seems that Clive and his OTHER SELF (aka Jacob) have reached an accommodation.

  57. Lloyd

    This is because the implications of three degrees, let alone four or five, are so horrible that we look to any possible scenario to head it off, including the canvassing of ‘emerg3ency’ responses including the suspension of democratic processes.

    Taken from

  58. thefrollickingmole

    Dot
    No arguements on the weed angle, but a lot of his “fellow travellers” who back him on the drum were also around while he was going the full Adolf earlier on.
    It wont suprise you to know Maryloon Sheephead was one of them.

    I had posts stating “Reported for anti-semetic content” censored, but his were allowed to remain. So the drum was and still is enemy territory.

  59. hammygar

    JC at least doesn’t discriminate in his various hatreds. He simply hates everybody.

  60. hammygar

    This blog has really descended into the sewerage boghole since Jason Soon left it several years ago. I rarely agreed with Jason, but at least Catallaxy could be depended on for intelligent discussion.

  61. Token

    JC at least doesn’t discriminate in his various hatreds. He simply hates everybody.

    Thanks for the link.

    PS: Your comprehension skills are as bad as your logic

  62. JamesK

    Henry ll: ‘Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?

    hammygar: This is far from advocating the suspension of the 6th commandement and the rule of law.

  63. JamesK

    WJC: “I’m going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never”

    hammygar: This is far from advocating the suspension of disbelief

  64. JamesK

    Neil Armstrong: “That’s one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind”

    hammygar: This is far from advocating that Baron Münchhausen was a liar

  65. JamesK

    Nixon: “I am not a crook.”

    hammygar: This is far from admitting that he was in fact a crook

  66. JakartaJaap

    Carpe J, my thoughts exactly re favourite comment on the thread. Good one.

  67. Jc

    This blog has really descended into the sewerage

    You’re just passing through then hammster. Lol

    When Jason was running we often had happy Hamilton threads ,almost as good as these… At the time though we didn’t have as much to work with as the loon hadn’t written about suspending democracy, sicing the kids, turning the security forces onto critics or getting the ATO onto them

    If I recall correct happy was just happy getting threats of lawsuits from dept stores and writing porn reviews for the Australian

  68. .

    I put it yo you that hammygar is parkos.

  69. boy on a bike

    This blog has really descended into the sewerage boghole

    Then why are you hanging around?

  70. Gab

    hammygarfish still attempting to derail the thread.

    You’re as bad as Rudd attempting to derail the government, except you’re not successful.

  71. hammygar

    hammygarfish still attempting to derail the thread.

    This is an amazing comment, Gab. How am I derailing the thread? I opened square on topic and if I got off that it was simply to defend comments that were being viciously attacked as well as defending against personal attacks. If you mean that I haven’t agreed with the general tenor of comments by everybody else, well guys just grow up. What on earth are you all getting out of a comments thread where everybody agrees with everybody else? That’s a criticism that the right often bandies about against the ABC.

  72. Gab

    hammyburger

    point out where you have actually been on topic.

    and why are you here in this “sewerage boghole”, to plop out ad homs and insults? You’re very good at that but sadly lacking in substantive thought. Keep working at it though, just don’t squeeze too hard.

  73. JC

    This is an amazing comment, Gab. How am I derailing the thread?

    Like every single Leftwing troll, Hammster. You lie, you distort, you go for the ” cataxally” ad hom. You can’t stick to the story.

    I opened square on topic and if I got off that it was simply to defend comments that were being viciously attacked as well as defending against personal attacks.

    Yea, I blame Abbott.

    If you mean that I haven’t agreed with the general tenor of comments by everybody else, well guys just grow up.

    Nothing wrong with disagreeing. It’s your trolling and sanctimoniousness that is really grating.

    What on earth are you all getting out of a comments thread where everybody agrees with everybody else? That’s a criticism that the right often bandies about against the ABC.

    Exept the ABC is taxpayer funded you moron and obliged by statute to carry differing and diverse opinion. A private blog isn’t and certainly not someone as moronic as you. Fuck you’re dumb.

  74. JamesK

    Wow hammy once again displays the studied self-righteous indifference of a zealot indifferent to self-examination in the light of argument and evidence.

    He has derailed the thread because of his bewildering denial of the premise.

    It’s a actually patently a denial of reality.

    So any discusion on whether the IPA is less than forthcoming on its funding or not is derailed.

    The short of it is you are a buffoon, hammygar.

    That you self-righteous about it doesn’t really help your insane perspective.

  75. hammygar

    Exept the ABC is taxpayer funded you moron and obliged by statute to carry differing and diverse opinion. A private blog isn’t and certainly not someone as moronic as you. Fuck you’re dumb.

    You’re certainly not obliged to publish diverse views Joe, and I’ve never said you were. What I have asked is what satisfaction do you get out of everybody agreeing with everybody else, other than the usual pleasures of onanism?

  76. JC

    Hammster:

    What’s the point of arguing with leftwingers? It’s not as though you have intelligent views or anything. Seriously.
    For isntance:

    You were on another blog advocating basically going back to the early soviet era of complete income equality, which they quickly disbanded as it was a shambolic failure.

    What’s the point of exchanging views with you? It’s a fucking waste of time.

    You dishonestly defend Happy Hamilton’s attempts to sic the ATO on critics, overlook the worthless thug’s hypocrisy and try to steer the discussion away from the point of the thread.

    Why are you here?

  77. JamesK

    Fucme u really are an extraordinary twat hammy.

    You have such a perverse ideology you are incapable of reason.

    A denial of reality isn’t merely one side of an imaginary debate.

    Psychiatrists don’t waste time ‘debating’ a delusional patient.

  78. James Barlow

    This comment is for Clive Hamilton. Clive, my name is James Barlow. I’m from the Northern Territory. I’m a member of the IPA, and I’m not afraid of ignorant radical members of the Left like yourself who seem determined by their sheer bloody idiocy to wreck our economy and society.

    The IPA isn’t perfect but it’s doing a lot to hold the line against people like you and the groups you represent. That’s why I’m a member.

  79. Infidel Tiger

    Hammygar, report to the ladies lavatory with a necktie.

  80. Gab

    From Graeme:

    Here’s another effort that the moderators are sitting on:

    “Confused? Well, that’s not surprising. But all was revealed when Clive Hamilton was interviewed by Caroline Jones on the ABC Radio program The Search for Meaning on 27 February 1994. Clive told Caroline that he was much influenced by the philosopher Carl Jung. So much so that he has an OTHER SELF – whom, it turns out, is a bloke called Jacob. We all know that Clive is a real luvvie and a good bloke. Not so Jacob. Clive told Caroline that Jacob is a foul-mouthed murderer and an abuser of women. However, it seems that Clive and his OTHER SELF (aka Jacob) have reached an accommodation.”

    I would have thought this was all rather “old news”.

    He’s not really trying at this stage but maybe Graeme will warm up to the task in time.

    http://graemebird.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/the-organic-universe/#comment-39168

  81. JC

    Careful James (Barlow). Don’t give Happy Hamilton those details.

    He may try and sic

    1. The ATO

    2. da security services

    3. your kids

    onto yoo.

  82. jtfsoon

    Graeme Bird :

    24 Feb 2012 4:48:40pm

    It seems to me Clive, that I asked you for evidence for your jive, some time ago. AND I have the return email to prove it. So how about ponying some of this evidence up?

    There is a reflection of a clock, coming off your head, and that clock is ticking, and we still don’t have your answer. Now we’ve gone over this before. Do I have to describe PRECISELY what is needed ………… all over again?

    Perhaps I could get an answer from this Jacob entity, that you have reached an accommodation with? If I cannot meet with you to get answers, could I meet “Jacob”? You could give me the time, place and date, when this “Jacob” was going to ………. emerge. And we could wait for that time, and we could go to that place, and we could discuss it.

    Graeme Bird :

    24 Feb 2012 4:23:02pm

    Isn’t it about time you listened to Michael Jackson, and started with the “Man In The Mirror” Clive?

    But make sure its not one of those suntanning mirrors, because those hypocritical eyes of yours, would be “Blinded By The Light.”

  83. Infidel Tiger

    Bird really is quite brilliant at times.

  84. John A

    The public may not have the means to shed light on the murky world of IPA finances, but the Tax Commissioner does.

    Hmm, haven’t seen anyone make the obvious comment here that for the Tax Commisioner to “shed light on” IPA finances using the ATO’s inside knowledge would contravene privacy laws and various parts of the (excessively voluminous) tax legislation.

    Can he really be inciting the ATO to commit an offence against its own legislation?

  85. brc

    I’m interested to know : if one isn’t calling for the suspension of democracy by bringing it up as an option – why bring it up at all?

    I never say “there’s no way I’ll eat a hamburger tonight” without first going through the process of considering a hamburger. Why say, think, write an option you have no intention of considering?

    The suspension of democracy is about as treasonous as you can get towards the Australian way of life. Suspension of democracy always and every time results in death, misery and suffering. So why bring it up? It’s indefensible, and those who try and defend it show that they are either trolling for a reaction or unbelievably stupid about the ways of the world. The first can be ignored, the second could be cured by living under a real left wing regime, like a 2 year posting to the workers paradise of North Korea.

  86. Harold

    Searching for string “john byatt :” gives 27 matches.

    They’ve closed comments with 480 total comments (john byatt last comment).

    john byatt contributed 5.6 % of all comments, or 1 in every 18 of the 480.

  87. Anonymous

    Speaking of transparency the IPA financial statements can be found here. The Australian Institute’s are here, no here, no …

    Both organisations file with ASIC, where you can find all the TAI reports and the latest IPA report (which isn’t on its website yet).

    (However, the IPA Research Trust doesn’t appear to file reports anywhere.)

  88. Rafe

    Why can’t these dickheads focus on the ideas, the arguments and the substance instead of being so hooked on funding sources?

  89. Anonymous

    A call for substantive debate immediately preceded by ad hominem abuse. That’ll work.

  90. .

    Anon – why ARE you such a dickhead?

  91. boy on a bike

    Both organisations file with ASIC, where you can find all the TAI reports and the latest IPA report (which isn’t on its website yet).

    So Hamilton, who is supposed to be able to do research (as an academic), is actually incapable of doing a simple search?

  92. boy on a bike

    “anonymous” is Clive’s 3rd alter ego.

  93. JamesK

    Actually I suspect he’s hammygar

  94. Gab

    “Jacob” being his second then.

  95. Mk50 of Brisbane

    hammaygar

    So now Catallaxy has take to interfering with comments from those whose views they dislike. Disgraceful.

    [I regularly fix errors. Sinc]

    Bob Brown’s fourth favourite sperm spittoon you may well be, but understand that this site if the private property of those who own it.

    last time I checked, Sinc just happened to be in that situation!

    So you and I are guests here, on private property. Sinc permits astonishing freedoms here – far, far more than are permitted on any left wing site you care to name.

    SO if the owner wants to do anything, ranging from a quick FTFY to writing code that automatically changes any post from your IP address to say it’s from “The Baying National Socialist F*ck-knuckle who is Bob Brown’s Fourth favourite Sperm Spittoon”, he can.

    Got it now?

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