Open Forum: March 3, 2012 at Catallaxy Files

Open Forum: March 3, 2012

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They’re never too far…

Rabz

3 Mar 12 at 12:02 am
To Breitbart…

DavidJ

3 Mar 12 at 12:02 am
I acknowledge the Indigenous people, on whose lands we meet today.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 12:04 am
You may give us a Government Media Regulator, but you’ll never take our freedom!

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 12:12 am
To Breitbart…

+1.

Pedro the Ignorant

3 Mar 12 at 12:19 am
Check out latest Bill Leak – he seems to agree with me, re: Bob Carr and Abraham Lincoln… I swear these guys are lookalikes (at least in Carr’s early days -late 80s, early 90′s)

Fleeced

3 Mar 12 at 12:20 am
They constantly want to be seen to be besting and outsmarting Abbott (and News Ltd).

So they come up with these convoluted tricks which Gillard is too dumb to pull off anyway.

Such an excellent summation of Gillard’s reign.

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 12:30 am
Forget the other crap, guys… Is Bob Carr related to Abraham Lincoln? The resemblance is remarkable!

Fleeced

3 Mar 12 at 12:33 am
Forget the other crap, guys… Is Bob Carr related to Abraham Lincoln? The resemblance is remarkable!

No he looks he looks like him.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 12:35 am
JC, check out photos from early 90′s, and add a beard. It’s Lincoln! Without a doubt!

Fleeced

3 Mar 12 at 12:36 am
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/a-spending-bonanza-that-lingers-in-the-mind-but-not-in-bottom-lines/story-e6frgd0x-1226287560907

Sinclair Davidson

3 Mar 12 at 12:39 am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You are truly evil Doomlord.

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 12:41 am
Christopher Pearson:

“SINCE the Australia Day kerfuffle there has been a lot of debate, within the political class as well as the media, about whether Kevin Rudd’s team in the Prime Minister’s Office or Julia Gillard’s was the more dysfunctional. In the antics of the appointment of Bob Carr as Foreign Minister this week, the question can now be regarded as settled.”

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 12:47 am
Vested interests . . . Wayne Swan in The Monthly:

TO be blunt, the rising power of vested interests is undermining our equality and threatening our democracy . . . This poison has infected our politics and is seeping into our economy. Though these vested interests have not yet prevailed, every day their demands get louder. Politicians have a choice: between exploiting divisions by promoting fear and appealing to the sense of fairness and decency that is the foundation of our middle-class society; between standing up for workers and kneeling down at the feet of the Gina Rineharts and the Clive Palmers.

Vested interests . . . John Maynard Keynes, The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money, 1935:

MADMEN in authority, who hear voices in the air, are distilling their frenzy from some academic scribbler of a few years back. I am sure that the power of vested interests is vastly exaggerated compared with the gradual encroachment of ideas.

Malcolm Farr on Radio National Breakfast yesterday:

WE’RE used to Occupy Wall Street, OWS; now we’ve got occupy Wayne Swan.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/uncovering-the-plot-we-reveal-the-faceless-man-behind-the-carr-for-canberra-campaign/story-fn72xczz-1226287767776

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 12:48 am
To Breitbart…

+2

A short video tribute done by Ben Howe – good stuff.

Also, my favorite written tribute so far: Breitbart’s Last Laugh by Matt Labash

spot

3 Mar 12 at 12:56 am
Good piece sinc.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 1:05 am
Good piece sinc.

That it is. But the photo is hilarious.

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 1:07 am
Spot

He could do worse than to have his penultimate tweet as his epitaph: “Apologize for WHAT?”

Well said.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/andrew_breitbart/

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 1:25 am
Thanks, Gab.

spot

3 Mar 12 at 1:28 am
Michelle Grattan: Julia’s back.

BACK BABY!

PM’s trump card defies critics as Carr revs up.

This is hilarious:

JULIA Gillard has pulled out a sensational reshuffle trump card, recruiting former New South Wales premier Bob Carr to add lustre to her government as Australia’s new foreign minister.

Ms Gillard belatedly decided to ignore the claims of Defence Minister Stephen Smith – who in 2010 had to step out of the foreign ministry to accommodate Kevin Rudd – to secure a big Labor name and send the public a message that she makes the decisions.

The public need to be told the Prime Minister makes decisions? I don’t recall anyone wondering about that when Howard was boss. But yeah – Gillard’s an Emily’s Lister and she needs to send ‘messages.’

Grattan’s summary:

…a high note, despite the fiasco of the aborted earlier discussions with Mr Carr.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 2:15 am
To Breitbart…

A tragedy.

I’ll raise a glass to him.

Abu Chowdah

3 Mar 12 at 2:22 am
This is truly unfreakingbelievable. We now have Michelle Grattan, an over hill Canberra based ALP stenographer telling us the Slapper had a good day because she was seen making a decision on her own.

Thee people are worse than useless.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 2:24 am
This is truly unfreakingbelievable. We now have Michelle Grattan, an over hill Canberra based ALP stenographer telling us the Slapper had a good day because she was seen making a decision on her own.

Thee people are worse than useless.

Well, they have low standards and low expectations.

Lloyd

3 Mar 12 at 2:31 am
It’s like she’s a year old.

Everyone, everyone!

Julia did a poo by herself.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 2:32 am
Slippery slope? What slippery slope?

The Guardian: Dutch mobile euthanasia units to make house calls.

A controversial system of mobile euthanasia units that will travel around the country to respond to the wishes of sick people who wish to end their lives has been launched in the Netherlands.

The scheme, which started on Thursday , will send teams of specially trained doctors and nurses to the homes of people whose own doctors have refused to carry out patients’ requests to end their lives.

The launch of the so-called Levenseinde, or “Life End”, house-call units – whose services are being offered to Dutch citizens free of charge – coincides with the opening of a clinic of the same name in The Hague, which will take patients with incurable illnesses as well as others who do not want to die at home.

2009: Nazi admits killing three Dutch civilians during Second World War.

Only three?

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 2:38 am
Rush Limbaugh to that student who demanded ‘free’ state-funded contraception:

If we’re gonna pay for birth control, we want something in return.

“If we’re going to have to pay for this — then we want something in return, Ms. Fluke,” Limbaugh said. “And that would be the videos of all this sex posted online so we can see what we’re getting for our money.”

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 2:42 am
She certainly can put a polish on actual events. Ever the optimist when it comes to Gillard, Grattan knows all about spin and it’s effect on journalism.

The rise of spin has had a negative impact on journalism, distorting news processes and encouraging more passive forms of journalism.

– Grattan, 1998

Of course she’s talking about spin from within political parties. But oh, the irony.

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 2:50 am
Both politicians and journalists rate near the bottom in public opinion polls. In addition, the trust that people feel for government is very low. Politicians’ breaking of promises, and journalists’ concentration on the cut and thrust, often awarding marks for a clever and successful try-on, have added to the distrust and the disgust.

- Grattan, The Politics of Spin, 1998.

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 2:57 am
Is Tom Dusevic, Bob Carr’s vacuum cleaner?

Man what a suck up.

THE Poseur Prince is back, alive and revived, to dodge and weave, slice and dice, razzle and dazzle for Australia.

Robert John Carr’s spectacular arrival in Canberra and the dumping of Robert Bruce McClelland tell us much about the dire state of Labor’s talent bank and the forces pulling modern politics.

At their set-piece events yesterday, new boy “Bob” even upstaged Julia Gillard, while the outgoing “Rob” took an Oakeshottian eternity to tell the nation what he was going to do.

In every race between style and substance, confidence and humility, front and rump, back the first horse, because Carr is riding it home, hands and heels.

The Prime Minister needs storytellers in her show, and there are precious few around her who are born communicators.

She needs people with authority and a certain grandeur.

Cometh the morning caller, says Bob, cometh the man who will argue our interests abroad.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/come-in-spinner-new-boy-brings-it-home/story-e6frgd0x-1226287785308

JC

3 Mar 12 at 2:58 am
God, how embarrassing.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 3:11 am
Dusevic has got egg all over his face due to his incompetent reporting and speculative commentary and now he’s trying to wipe it off.

Max Scream

3 Mar 12 at 3:12 am
Maxwell:
You’re both dragging eggs out from the same carton.

After your performance on the other thread denying the undeniable you ought to be the last person talking about egg of face. I can smell the yoke from here.

moron.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 3:23 am
Interesting coincidence that Breitbart died on the day he was going to release taped footage of Odumbo hanging around with Bill Ayers and his disgusting co-terrorist wife.

As someone said:

A caller from Savage’s native New York City said there’s a simple way to find out what happened.

“If the tapes come out, he died of a heart attack,” the caller said. “If the tapes don’t come out, they whacked him.”

JC

3 Mar 12 at 3:32 am
Now, come on lads, let’s be fair as there’s no denying it – the addition of Bob Carr does indeed improve the calibre of the federal cabinet.

In exactly the same way that lipstick improves the calibre of a pig.

So a good day for the PM, all in all.

Oh come on

3 Mar 12 at 3:59 am
JC, one of Breitbart’s colleagues has the tapes now and said on Hannity last night that he’d be releasing them in around 10 days

Obama had him whacked?
Don’t get on that crazy train.

spot

3 Mar 12 at 4:34 am
I can’t get to Tim Blair’s blog site any more. I get an automatic redirect into something like a black hole. Is it him or me?

DrBeauGan

3 Mar 12 at 7:07 am
Works fine for me, DrB. Perhaps clear your cache & try again?

spot

3 Mar 12 at 7:29 am
Labor has p@ssed off Denis Shanahan, trying to paint him as a liar when the story he reported had been carefully verified by many Labor sources.

He turns the blow torch of truth on today and burns up many of the myths put up by the stenographers guild. La Tingle gets named for her brown nosing to the incompetents…

Let’s hope he maintains the rage!

Token

3 Mar 12 at 8:14 am
Who is this smarmy, stupid, sdfc #*^%?

Dot

The 80s were a high inflation environment. You really need to pay more attention to real data. The GST raised the price level. No one cites the 2000/2001 episode as an example of an inflationary breakout.

WHAT?

WTF? Not what I was arguing anyway! It doesn’t even make sense what you are saying! The 1980s were a high inflationary environment – care to tell us why? You were MEANT to be telling us how high wages make everyone poor, you Malthusian nerd.

Dot is the person who has the problem in thinking hte GST is an exapmple of high inflation.

UMM.. bullshit!

The point is inflation in Australia has only ever been caused by excess money supply, the imposition of taxes or the repayment of Government largesse.

The anomaly of the terms of trade (or the labour “shortage”, stay on topic dude) is small enough that at times of “capacity constraints”, inflation has fell within the target band or the variation in inflation is many times less than the variation in the terms of trade in the short term or from the historical average.

…and that’s IF it can be proven it is a putative cause of inflation…as opposed to international monetary flows, securitisation, bank lending or too much base money.

.

3 Mar 12 at 8:18 am
This is truly unfreakingbelievable. We now have Michelle Grattan, an over hill Canberra based ALP stenographer telling us the Slapper had a good day because she was seen making a decision on her own.

It’s called assisted living these days, JC.

.

3 Mar 12 at 8:20 am
As well as Shanahan’s article the Oz editorial does some well aimed whacking too.

Blogstrop

3 Mar 12 at 8:26 am
Quote of the day at Cafe Hayek.

“If the growth of reason is to continue, and human rationality to survive, then the diversity of individuals and their opinions, aims, and purposes must never be interfered with…. Even the emotionally satisfying appeal for a common purpose, however excellent, is an appeal to abandon all rival moral opinions and the cross-criticisms and arguments to which they give rise. It is an appeal to abandon rational thought.”

Karl Popper in The Poverty of Historicism.

Rafe

3 Mar 12 at 8:39 am
la Tingle? What about that Jess Irvine girl writing woeful NSW HSC economics assignments and passing them off as both quality “journalism” and “economic commentary”?

At least they’ve put that style challenged, uneducated, silly old dishevelled bogan goat, Ross GIT-tens to pasture.

Who wears sneakers, jeans and a dinner jacket to a Tres. Sec. dinner? Honestly?

.

3 Mar 12 at 8:41 am
The NBN will cost $200 billion+ and never be completed.

.

3 Mar 12 at 8:41 am
It’s called assisted living these days, JC

more like special needs children.

Carpe Jugulum

3 Mar 12 at 8:50 am
Chris Kenny has given a name to the psychological disorder suffered by the “luvvie” media.

Token

3 Mar 12 at 8:55 am
I agree dot that Irvine and her idiot sensei Gittens should be named, but Shanahan saved his ire for La Tingle. I trust it is a reflection of the journalistic ethics of that particular NoFax bint.

Token

3 Mar 12 at 9:02 am
Excellent piece by Chris Kenny

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 9:22 am
why don’t we learn from our past mistakes?
The UK was at the forefront of the effort to rid Libya of Gadaffi. Now those who benefitted from his ouster destroy the graves of those who threw the Italian overlords of Libya out two generations ago.

There is only one foreign policy lesson to learn from this – don’t get involved with any Arab or Islamic groups. Just like the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan, after we help them achieve their objectives they turn their hand against those that helped them. These people are disgusting.

We will not influence this barbaric scum, we will not change them, they will not befriend us. We should refuse to help them under any circumstances.

The only circumstances under which we should get involved is to fight them with the unrestrained force required to achieve our objectives to secure ourselves and our direct interests.Those objectives should be limited, our efforts transient and the cost in blood and treasure minimal.

The US has discovered heaps of domestic oil via fracking, China and Europe heaps of gas. Hopefully the days of the bullying energy exporters is coming to an end.

John Comnenus

3 Mar 12 at 9:23 am
Right-wing drug addict Rush Limbaugh channels the Currency Lad, calls a woman a slut, disgusts all civilised people.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/limbaugh-loses-advertisers-after-calling-woman-a-slut.php?ref=fpa

Les Majesty

3 Mar 12 at 9:27 am
The NBN will cost $200 billion+ and never be completed.

Stop the relentless negativity, dot.

dover_beach

3 Mar 12 at 9:30 am
As a kind of moderate, centrist, middle-of-the-road classical liberal, I can find common ground with both CL and Les.

I agree with Les that Limbaugh calling that Georgetown law student a “slut” was quite reprehensible. But on the other hand, like CL, I’d like to see her sex tapes.

Piett

3 Mar 12 at 9:38 am
Obama thinks he’s Ghandi

What a jumped up turd.

duncan

3 Mar 12 at 9:40 am
Les, Piett.

There seems to be more to this ‘student’ than first appears. Stooge?

duncan

3 Mar 12 at 9:44 am
She’s the one who sleeps around so much she can’t afford the contraception. Hint to Sandra – if it ain’t on, it ain’t on. Transfer the expense to you partner. Believe me, 99 times out of 100 he will be happy to stump up the cost of a condom because he knows you’re worth it.

John Comnenus

3 Mar 12 at 9:46 am
In Fluke’s testimony, she told the story of a fellow law school student who required access to the pill in order to deal with a medical condition. Not being able to afford it, because it wasn’t provided on the health care plan, the student wound up losing an ovary.

I don’t know what is more amusing, the use of the above story, or the claim that a Georgetown law student couldn’t afford the pill.

dover_beach

3 Mar 12 at 9:50 am
Now, come on lads, let’s be fair as there’s no denying it – the addition of Bob Carr does indeed improve the calibre of the federal cabinet.

By that measure, make Monty a Cabinet Minister. Even he would improve the average competency and honesty of Cabinet.

johno

3 Mar 12 at 9:53 am
Johno,
Don’t be cruel…to the current cabinet.

John Comnenus

3 Mar 12 at 9:55 am
In one of her first interviews she is quoted as talking about how she reviewed Georgetown’s insurance policy prior to committing to attend, and seeing that it didn’t cover contraceptive services, she decided to attend with the express purpose of battling this policy. During this time, she was described as a 23-year-old coed. Magically, at the same time Congress is debating the forced coverage of contraception, she appears and is even brought to Capitol Hill to testify. This morning, in an interview with Matt Lauer on the Today show, it was revealed that she is 30 years old, NOT the 23 that had been reported all along.

Unbelievable.

dover_beach

3 Mar 12 at 9:58 am
Has she got any kids? Probably not, in which case what’s she whining about? The contraceptive nature of her strident personality seems to be working a treat at keeping her childless.

John Comnenus

3 Mar 12 at 10:01 am
At the end of this fawning piece about the media’s recycled messiah, Imre introduces a reason the other children in the cabinet in Canberra will not play nice to the man who has not “served his time” as Crean put it.

Seriously, the man took NSW from being the best economy to the worst when he was in charge by importing the Clinton spin techniques, yet the media seem to ignore the evidence and endlessly fawn over his “intellect”.

Token

3 Mar 12 at 10:18 am
Thanks for the link to site about Rush, Les, as DB indicated there is more to the story than the lefty trolls that write at the site indicate.

No, my thanks go to you as I have a lot more respect for the natural intelligence of Ted Nugent.

Token

3 Mar 12 at 10:30 am
John, she appears rather cute to me. But then I couldn’t download the video because of data limitations.
But yes – another spin effort from the Democrats.

Winston Smith

3 Mar 12 at 10:37 am
Total Commonwealth Government Securities
on Issue – $233,111m consisting of:
Treasury Bonds – $201,453m
Treasury Indexed Bonds – $15,539m
Treasury Notes – $16,100m
Other Securities – $19m
As at 2 March 2012

Why do I get the notion that all stops are out? That’s $3.4 Billion in the last week.

Winston Smith

3 Mar 12 at 10:47 am
…only $17 Billion until the CC is at its limit. And that’s 6 weeks away at this rate.
I really hope TA is thinking of ways to block this splurge.

Winston Smith

3 Mar 12 at 10:50 am
Interesting how the “expert” in US history, Bob Carr, chose to compare himself to former US Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia.

Does he plan to follow the example of the doyen on the US senate and refer to the Mordy Nine as “white n@gg@rs”?

Token

3 Mar 12 at 10:55 am
Winston,

I doubt it with the soft cock Libs and Joe Hockey in the shadow treasury role. Hopefully Barnaby will speak up. On a related topic Wayne Swan half yearly results now in, and Swan delivers a massive $30 billion deficit.

Way to go worlds greatest treasurer.

John Comnenus

3 Mar 12 at 10:56 am
Kayleigh McEnany libertarian and former graduate of Georgetown University in the International Business Times:

“Before this pretend congressional committee and the plastic Joker-grin of Nancy Pelosi, Fluke recounted the rare incidences of women needing birth control for medical reasons, as if that’s the norm. She then twisted this into a justification for why religious institutions should subsidize women who want to have rampant sex without consequences.

According to Fluke, 40 percent of women at Georgetown struggle with $3,000 contraception bills over the course of law school. Three grand! That’s a condom for breakfast, lunch and dinner sex every day for three consecutive years!

Assuming Fluke is the liberated woman she claims to be, it’s amazing she had enough time to saunter out of her bedchamber and come to Congress.

In a sane world, Fluke would have earned the ire of the liberal media and feminists for portraying women as helpless wards of the state who have no choice but to submit to men. But this world is not sane, so all guns blazed at the all-knowing, all-feeling, all-seeing, all-everything Maha Rushie.

What did Limbaugh do other than state the obvious? He said: “Well, what would you call someone who wants us to pay for her to have sex? What would you call that woman? You’d call ‘em a slut, a prostitute or whatever.”

I’d like to supplement Limbaugh’s analysis with a few additional descriptions. Fluke is impractical, foolish, and a disgrace to Georgetown. Plus, she has deliberately glossed over the implications of her demands.

If the government forces Catholic institutions to provide contraception against their doctrine, not only are we trampling on religious liberty, but we’re opening the door for all sorts of tomfoolery.

Are the Jesuits then obliged to provide pot to distraught, empty-pocketed stoners, vibrators to lonely females, or porn to the sex-crazed teenage boy? Where does it stop? And do her male partners bear no responsibility, or do we have to pay for her cab home, too?

When we demand religious institutions provide coverage of contraception, abortion and sterilization as the Obamacare mandate does, we trivialize what it means to suffer “financially, emotionally, medically.” And if we compel insurance companies to supply recreational items like contraception, how can we not make them foot the bill for medically necessitated items like Band-Aids, Neosporin, tampons, pads, and the like?

All of this will be sorted out, likely by the Supreme Court, which will hopefully rule the First Amendment is a law higher than Obama’s. But until they decide, I worry that Fluke will continue to fret about who’ll pay for her birth control.

The good news is, until she’s out of Georgetown, she can take the harmless, loveable little fuzz ball up on his offer of birth control aspirin. But wait, what am I thinking? Fluke must have plenty of aspirin on hand. After all, she’s obviously never told a man: “Not tonight. I have a headache.”

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 11:02 am
JC, I think we actually do need a change. Instead of mocking the PC sh*t as you do, David J’s salutation seems more appropriate…

To Breitbart

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 11:06 am
John C, that link on your comment @ 10:56 doesn’t work.

This link does:

http://barnabyisright.com/2012/03/01/waynes-half-year-earnings-report-30-billion-loss/

Token

3 Mar 12 at 11:11 am
In a sane world, Fluke would have earned the ire of the liberal media and feminists for portraying women as helpless wards of the state who have no choice but to submit to men.

Yes.

Plus, she’s apparently such a helpless child that the only way she can get the tools for “guilt-free” sex is to beg that the Catholic Church give them to her as some sort of Good Works.

spot

3 Mar 12 at 11:12 am
In gutlessly abusing some US radio guy, the littlest kiddie raises (for the very first time in his high-chair banging, squalling and self-beclownment here at the Cat) a point worthy of mention.

How come Preshizzle (TM Paco) Odumbugger’s cocaine and pot use were and remain of no interest to the US MSM?

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 11:16 am
Winston, can you provide a link to the debt figures? And what’s the interest payments on the debt?

Harrys on the Boat

3 Mar 12 at 11:16 am
If You Ain’t Got No Condoms, Take Your Broke Ass Home

BOOM!

Seriously – too many highlights to excerpt. Read the whole thing. Both informative and hilarious.

I love @thekelliejane.

spot

3 Mar 12 at 11:18 am
Transfer the expense to you partner. Believe me, 99 times out of 100 he will be happy to stump up the cost of a condom because he knows you’re worth it.

Comment of the morning!

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 11:18 am
Preshizzle

Hahaha! That’s funny because it’s racist! Nice one.

Les Majesty

3 Mar 12 at 11:32 am
Limbaugh:

“And what about these deadbeat boyfriends or random hookups that these babes are encountering here, having sex with nearly three times a day? While in law school.

If Fluke is gonna ask the government to force anybody to foot the bill for her friends’ birth control, shouldn’t it be these guys? Who pays for the abortions? Oops! We already know that, too. So that’s where this all started, that story. That’s where it all started. A woman who goes to law school at Georgetown goes to a congressional hearing where Pelosi is (crying), “I’m going broke having sex! I need… I need the government to provide me condoms and contraception. It’s not fair.” Okay, so this is a law student at a congressional committee asking for us … to … pay … for … the … things … that … make … it … possible … for … her … to … have … sex.

Therefore we are paying her to have sex.

Therefore we are paying her for having sex.

We are getting screwed even though we don’t meet her personally!

What would you call this?”

30 years of 3 hours every day, 15 hours every week of guest free and music free talk radio, 50 weeks a year and Media Matters daily transcribing his broadcasts searching for gotchas and the Left have never ever got him.

The guy is a certifiable genius.

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 11:37 am
Barnaby Is Right notes the article in the Oz yesterday where the political titan and Playschool presenter Rhys Muldoon claims in an article in the Monthly that the Big 3 miners gave their blessing to Gillard’s putsch to take out Rudd.

JULIA Gillard was “given the nod” by the big three mining companies — Xstrata, Rio Tinto and BHP Billiton — to challenge Kevin Rudd’s prime ministership, knowing the advertising campaign against the mining tax “would be pulled”.

Token

3 Mar 12 at 11:38 am
Sure, Harrys on the Boat.
I get the numbers here.
A few days ago, someone put a calculation up that at ?4.7% interest, the $200 Billion would, over twenty years require $108 Billion to service.
Sorry, I can’t find it.

Winston Smith

3 Mar 12 at 11:59 am
Chris Kenny on love media commentary re Gillard:

The trouble is her comeback is like the yeti: it is often spotted but never materialises.

LOL.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 11:59 am
Gillard government to assume control of all blogs:

The report acknowledges the threshold of “15,000 hits” is arbitrary, but maintains a ”a line must be drawn somewhere”.

ALP brown-noser Andrew Landeryou sells out:

Andrew Landeryou, editor of Vex News, welcomed regulation as long as it was well thought out.

“I don’t have an issue with websites being regulated along with other media,” Landeryou said. “For the most part I would have thought that the way (Communications Minister) Stephen Conroy has dealt with the censorship issue has been sensible.”

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 12:02 pm
Are these the ‘Vested Interests’ Wayne was talking about?

Union staff paid to protest against Newman

What about the political interference? Personally I think it’s time for another FWA investigation.

CraigS

3 Mar 12 at 12:04 pm
Right-wing drug addict Rush Limbaugh channels the Currency Lad, calls a woman a slut, disgusts all civilised people.

The young woman said she wants to be paid money for sex.

It was prompted by left-wing drud addict Barack Obama’s attack on the Catholic Church and specifically the policy that free contraception is now a ‘right.’

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 12:05 pm
And I called the Moscow Metro bomber who murdered 15 people a slut – which she was.

Islamist apologist Les – channelling Islamism apologiser Obama – called her a “suicide victim.”

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 12:08 pm
Obama thinks he’s Ghandi

He used to dress like him back in Muslim days:

http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/muslim-obama.jpg

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 12:12 pm
I expect the full force of David Marr et. al. to come surging forth in the coming days to fight the government’s plan to silence free speech with a new media regulator.

not.

duncan

3 Mar 12 at 12:13 pm
So Bob Carr has compared himself to former Exalted Cyclops of the Ku Klux Klan, Robert Byrd?

Off to a great start.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 12:17 pm
“And what about these deadbeat boyfriends or random hookups that these babes are encountering here, having sex with nearly three times a day? While in law school.

Is he kidding? These gals have sex three times a day?

They’re freaking sex machines. What is it with law school.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 12:18 pm
Are these the ‘Vested Interests’ Wayne was talking about?

Union staff paid to protest against Newman

Oh that’s just the Labor Union’s standard operating procedure. Happens before each and every election.

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 12:20 pm
Are the Jesuits then obliged to provide pot to distraught, empty-pocketed stoners, vibrators to lonely females, or porn to the sex-crazed teenage boy?

What about “body men” for lonely presidents?

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 12:22 pm
Right-wing drug addict Rush Limbaugh channels the Currency Lad, calls a woman a slut, disgusts all civilised people.

Leslie, she’s having sex three times a day. Dunno if slut is appropriate, but wow her *concupiscence is pretty high.

Good word, hey? Means sexual appetite.

Look any sheila having sex three times a day with different men is a tart. That’s just how it is.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 12:24 pm
Oh that’s just the Labor Union’s standard operating procedure. Happens before each and every election.

I know, it just makes me feel better to point out the hypocrisy occasionally.

CraigS

3 Mar 12 at 12:28 pm
Direct quote:

The woman claims she’s “going broke” rooting at uni and wants someone to pay her to have sex.

What an appalling slapper.

Meanwhile, Rush doubles down. Responding to news that Obama phoned Fluke to tell her that her parents would be proud, El Rushbo asks if Democrat Party women’s sexual dignity advocate Bill Clinton has called to see if she’s OK.

If only Ted Kennedy was still around to take up the cause. Free contraception and SCUBA gear for all young women.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 12:31 pm
Good Lord, but I had no idea whatsoever just how much the unions controlled the Labor government:

The power and effectiveness of the union sway over the caucus goes a long way to explaining how the party’s choice of leader could be so starkly out of line with public sentiment. It is a party that owes its first allegiance to the unions.

How is Gillard delivering to the unions? The list is long. It includes the government’s manufacturing support plan; abolition of the watchdog against thuggery in the construction industry, the Australian Building Construction Commission; supporting the pay claim by community workers with not only a joint submission to Fair Work Australia but also an announcement of $2 billion in taxpayer funding before the FWA decision; including in all government contracts the principles of the Clean Start campaign to organise cleaners under the union United Voice; signing up to the new transport workers’ safe rates campaign for truckies; and supporting the AWU’s general employee entitlements redundancy scheme for redundancy payments.

Gosh

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 12:31 pm
…more on those vested interests…

The AWU boasts that it wields influence over more federal MPs and senators than any other union. In a caucus of 103, the AWU claims the reliable vote of 15 “hardcore” affiliated members and another 10 who are more loosely connected to the union. This makes it a force in any matter it chooses to pursue with the government.

By assembling its own caucus within the caucus, including its former national secretary and leadership aspirant, Bill Shorten, “the AWU has become the most successful political lobbying institution in Australia”, according to a Labor MP whose loyalties lie with another big union.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/round-two-to-faceless-foes-20120302-1u8br.html#ixzz1o0sMbv1r

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 12:33 pm
Good morning Gab, that’s reality blend coffee you can smell. Any minute now Monty and Steve will be telling you that the ALP is a grass roots, democratic, political movement. LOL, Rudd pwned, Gillard owned and many of Carr’s former proteges in court, jail or heading that way.

John comnenus

3 Mar 12 at 12:35 pm
If only Ted Kennedy was still around to take up the cause. Free contraception and SCUBA gear for all young women.

LOL.

dover_beach

3 Mar 12 at 12:35 pm
The real Labor Party votes Greens so grass roots are green nowadays.

Max Scream

3 Mar 12 at 12:37 pm
Morning. John. That article by Hartcher – in the SMH! – is a keeper. How did it make it to print?!

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 12:39 pm
As this is Open Thread I hope this is OK, just posted by me at hc’s where he stupidly endorses Bill Nordhaus’ pathetic response to the 16 wise men in the WSJ:

“Nordhaus is a jackass, as this direct quote by him of the EPA determination proves;

“‘physical [and] chemical…substance[s] which [are] emitted into…the ambient air.’ …Greenhouse gases fit well within the Clean Air Act’s capacious definition of ‘air pollutant.’

That capacious definition necessarily also encompasses the oxygen exhaled into the atmosphere by all plants, so clearly O2 is both a pollutant and a greenhouse gas.

And as all plants only exist by virtue of the CO2 that is the basis of the photosynthesis that creates them, they are also pollutants as well as through their O2 respirations.

Oh brave new world of economics as taught by hc! Gawd help us.

Tim Curtin

3 Mar 12 at 1:02 pm
Limbaugh, four-times married and a high-profile Viagra user, responded Thursday with a soliloquy on women’s access to birth control.

“I don’t think it’s being denied,” said Rush. “Contraception is not being denied, access to it. The DC Department of Health, you call ‘em up, they’ll send the stuff to you free. They’ll send you condoms free.”

Who has credibility here? Limbaugh did take back his most vicious allegation late in Wednesday’s show, saying, “So, she’s not a slut. She’s round-heeled. I take it back.”

You have to be a misogynist jerk to find Limbaugh funny. That’s all there is to it.

Steve from Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 1:04 pm
Limbaugh to Steve…

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 1:10 pm
Steve,

How are the astro turf anti Newman paid protesting union members going up the in Brisvegas?

The difference between 4 time slut Limbaugh and 30 year old law student and human root machine is that Rush didn’t ask for a taxpayer funded handout.

Gab,

Leonard Cohen nailed it when sang ‘there’s a crack in everything, it’s how the light gets in’…

John Comnenus

3 Mar 12 at 1:13 pm
What Newman needs to worry about is hastily shutting down pressers due to unpleasant questions about his business dealings.

A very bad look.

Max Scream

3 Mar 12 at 1:15 pm
Should I be offended that steve fb calls me as a “misogynist jerk”?

And is that really roolly “all there is to it”?

Limbaugh:

“This is a totally manufactured issue. How long do you think this Fluke woman’s been prowling campus in frustration waiting for her moment to go testify? You think this just happened and evolved naturally? All of this has been manufactured. None of this is real. It’s all trumped up.

And it’s all part of a brilliantly conceived and flawlessly executed political plan by the Democrats. Obama was losing the women vote. In every poll you looked at, up until January, he was down big in women. He’s across the board, other than with blacks — and even with blacks, he’s formed African Americans for Obama. Why would he need that? So this is page 1-B of the Democrat Party playbook: “Scare Women.” That’s the title of the chapter. And then the various things in the chapter are “Accuse Republicans of wanting to deny them abortion. Keep them barefoot, pregnant, in the kitchen. Take away their birth control pills.” It’s all there. They’ve tried this for years, decades.”

Limbaugh Again:

“Look, this Sandra Fluke stuff and the free contraceptives, if all of it is a little esoteric, and I hope it’s not, I think we’ve made this abundantly clear what’s going on, but the simplest way to understand this, it’s just a new welfare program. And “welfare” is a bad word, and they can’t use it, they can’t sell it, so now it’s disguised. Welfare disguised as women’s health, or women’s reproductive rights. But it’s just another welfare program. That’s all this is. Here we have a woman, Sandra Fluke materialized out of nowhere, it seems, to testify before a committee to talk about the Republicans denying women their contraceptives.

It’s all fake, ginned up, trumped up, and phony. But I finally asked myself, why go to a Catholic college? You want to have all the sex you want all day long, no consequences, no responsibility for your behavior, why go to a Catholic college? And therein lies the answer to all of this. Washington Post: “Fluke came to Georgetown University interested in contraceptive coverage.” Now, stop and think of that for a moment. Here you have a female student arriving on campus interested in contraceptive coverage. When you are reviewing schools for your kids to attend, do you look around at contraception coverage? Well, Fluke told the Washington Post that she did. The Washington Post reports that Fluke “researched the Jesuit college’s health plans for students before enrolling, and found that birth control was not included.” And she enrolled anyway. Why? Quote, Fluke, “I decided I was absolutely not willing to compromise the quality of my education in exchange for my health care.”

In other words, Georgetown’s a great law school, I’m gonna go there even if they don’t have contraception. I’m gonna go there and I’m gonna make them give me my contraception. So why did she have to go to Georgetown? Why didn’t she go someplace else instead of trying to get them to change their religion? If you ask me, this is part of the coordinated assault on the Catholic Church, and this little bomb is like a hand grenade with a timer that has just been waiting for the right political moment to be exploded. You must understand none of this just happened. None of this evolved naturally. This is a Democrat plot waiting to be hatched to create a new welfare program and, at the same time, trying to cast Republicans into the election year as anti-female. Fluke is a typical liberal.

Now, this ginned up birth control crisis just shows there’s literally nothing the Democrats will not use for political gain to advance their agenda. They’re the ones who have no respect for women or for human life or for anything. This woman is being used. Do you realize at the end of the day what’s happening here, the Democrats are putting on parade a woman who is happily presenting herself as an immoral, baseless, no-purpose-to-her-life woman. She wants all the sex in the world, whenever she wants it, all the time. No consequences. No responsibility for her behavior. That is what the Democrats consider a great example of citizenship, an oppressed victim of something. She’s a typical liberal. She stands on her head and says the rest of the world is upside down. She went to Georgetown University knowing their views and demands they change their religion for her.

This has never been about birth control. It’s about political control and creating a new welfare program. Fluke spent the past three years lobbying the administration to change its policy on the issue, Georgetown University. So she is a reproductive rights activist. That’s how she is being portrayed.”

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 1:24 pm
yes this Limbaugh fellow sounds like a real ratbag of the far right there’s always a few of those grown in the States.

the girl’s a psych case or she’s lying, whatever, when she has children this whole thing will be a nightmare to her, her immoral actions and going public. She would be headed for a meltdown at some time.

candy

3 Mar 12 at 1:30 pm
She’s 30 years old Candy.

She’s running outa time!

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 1:38 pm
…..yes this Limbaugh fellow sounds like a real ratbag of the far right there’s always a few of those grown in the States.

No he’s not. He’s a courageous dude who took on Odumbo at the very beginning showing other GOP’ers intestinal fortitude.

I used to see the big fella around East 86th street all the time, as he lived around there when he was living in NY. He loved to eat then.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 1:45 pm
You have to be a misogynist jerk to find Limbaugh funny. That’s all there is to it.

And don’t disagree, Gab, or Steve will say he wants to hit you again.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 1:45 pm
What Newman needs to worry about is hastily shutting down pressers due to unpleasant questions about his business dealings.

Newman should be going after Bligh for the corrupt appointment of her husband to a highly paid nothing job in the Queensland public service.

Old Botox face has claimed in the past that he won the job on merit.

LOL.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 1:51 pm
The racists kiddie:

Hahaha! That’s funny because it’s racist! Nice one.

Thanks, racistkiddie, for showing the Cat that you are an innate racist. But you are of the left, so we already knew that.

The originator of the term (Paco) is himself an American and unsurprisingly does not get people saying it’s waaaaaycist as you squeal from your highchair (while banging your rusk).

That’s because it isn’t. It’s a word-play on ‘president’ and ‘fizzle’.

As I know you cannot possibly understand such a sophisticated word-play, I’ll explain it.

Odumbugger is in his first job. Remarkably, this is president of the USA. He is a dismal failure, so bad that a new acronym has been coined to describe how bad he is (SCOAMF).

As Paco said, his presidency is described as a ‘fizzle’ even by US leftards. So he combined the words ‘president’ and fizzle’ to reflect this.

As is inevitable with a racist such as you have revealed yourself to be, your baseline assumption is that everyone else is racist too. Unfortunately for you, conservatives and libertarians are not leftists, so we are not racists by basic nature as leftists are.

Got it now, racistkiddie?

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 1:52 pm
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/limbaugh-loses-advertisers-after-calling-woman-a-slut.php?ref=fpa

What an appalling, cheapskate slut.

Nothing wrong with being a slut. Pay your own way, have safe sex and don’t break up couples.

…but what a cheapskate slut. She wants Congress to pimp her because she uses $15 condoms? She can’t possibly fuck 3000 guys a year – to which if she did I suspect she’d easily afford about $600k worth of condoms.

.

3 Mar 12 at 1:53 pm
I dare not agree with you CL, lest Steve again accuses me of being your “fag hag”. I’m such a delicate petal and Steve is intimidating, you see.
(P.S. I don’t ever remember supplying you with cigarettes)

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 1:54 pm
This Sarah Fluke may or may not be a slut, but she is most certainly a US Democrat party plant.

Looks like racistkiddie fell for it hook, line and sinker too. What a whacker.

For me the interesting part of the story is the ever-evolving “coed”. I put that in quotes because in the beginning she was described as a Georgetown law student. It was then revealed that prior to attending Georgetown she was an active women’s right advocate. In one of her first interviews she is quoted as talking about how she reviewed Georgetown’s insurance policy prior to committing to attend, and seeing that it didn’t cover contraceptive services, she decided to attend with the express purpose of battling this policy. During this time, she was described as a 23-year-old coed. Magically, at the same time Congress is debating the forced coverage of contraception, she appears and is even brought to Capitol Hill to testify. This morning, in an interview with Matt Lauer on the Today show, it was revealed that she is 30 years old, NOT the 23 that had been reported all along.

In other words, folks, you are being played. She has been an activist all along and the Dems were just waiting for the appropriate time to play her.

RTWT

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 1:59 pm
Barack Obama calls Sandra Fluke, university student vilified by Rush Limbaugh.

Odd that he didn’t call Sarah Palin when David Letterman joked about her underage daughter being raped by baseball players.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 2:04 pm
If this Fluke sheila is having sex three times a day with different men, then she is a slut, by any reasonable definition.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that – but wanting others to pay for her contraception shows such an appalling sense of entitlement that I just don’t know where to begin. Can’t believe people are idiotic enough to defend this slag.

Fleeced

3 Mar 12 at 2:04 pm
If this Fluke sheila is having sex three times a day with different men

…when does she have time for study, assignments, lectures, library research and labs?

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 2:09 pm
She has pretty masculine features. Maybe she thinks about sex like a dude.

Majority leader Boehner is standing up for her. No pun intended of course.

Jc

3 Mar 12 at 2:13 pm
LOL

bentonbain
Today 01:14 AM
On Ebay Sandra Fluke could buy 100 condoms with free shipping for less than $20.
Sandra could buy with the $3000 she needs for 3 years of “law school study” 15,000 condoms to cover her sexual activity. Since it normally requires at least 2 persons for the sexual act and each getting the $3000 that would be more than 26 quickies per day.
She needs to change her career path so she can deduct this expense instead of the American tax payer paying for her sexual activity.

.

3 Mar 12 at 2:15 pm
Was Rush bullshitting when he said botox Pelosi was crying in the hearing?

Jc

3 Mar 12 at 2:17 pm
Boehner is a nice fellow with a tan who easily cries.

The goal of the Tea Party is to vote in enuff Federal representative GOP primaries to install enuff sensible citizen legislators for the caucus to vote him out of the Speakership.

Tea party waacists

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 2:22 pm
Hey, where did racistkiddie go?

I shall have to start looking under flat rocks.

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 2:24 pm
I can only assume she’s purchasing her 3 condoms a day individually from bathroom vending machines.

Fleeced

3 Mar 12 at 2:27 pm
It’s transcript but I think he was imitating what he imagined a whining Pelosi might say.

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 2:27 pm
You are thick As well as misogynist if you think it is about taxes paying for contraception.

Steve from Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 2:28 pm
Obama called her? I guess lots of men would like to know what she’s on.

blogstrop

3 Mar 12 at 2:28 pm
You are thick As well as misogynist if you think it is about taxes paying for contraception.

Shut up moron and stop complaining about $15 condoms and Tony Abbot’s pee pee.

.

3 Mar 12 at 2:29 pm
Steve, your atavar is easily the best-matched to output that I’ve seen anywhere.

blogstrop

3 Mar 12 at 2:30 pm
Maybe her ‘partners’ bring their own condoms. How do we know she buys the condoms? Where’s the evidence?!

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 2:30 pm
$3,000 could buy a lot of condoms

Fleeced

3 Mar 12 at 2:31 pm
Typing! *&%#

blogstrop

3 Mar 12 at 2:31 pm
JC — Used to see Rush often at Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse on Second Avenue, which led me to approach him when he came into Bobby Van’s (my favourite, ten times better than the Palm or S&W) under the Helmsley Building one night. He denied being unfaithful to an advertiser and said the restaurant was his host’s choice. In passing he also expressed his admiration for John Howard.

Rush is a genius and one of the things I miss most about the States is hearing leftards howl when he does them over with fact and humour. Paul Shanklin’s parodies are beyond brilliant. Wish I could pick up his show here.

Areff

3 Mar 12 at 2:33 pm
Awesome.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/the-vice-guide-to-travel/the-vice-guide-to-liberia-full-length

.

3 Mar 12 at 2:34 pm
Who said Obummer mandating insurance companies to give contaception and abortifacients free was a tax?

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 2:35 pm
Read dot’s comment.

Steve from Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 2:43 pm
This has to be the funniest thread I’ve read in a while. Rush is really good at this sort of cynical sarc stuff. He’s the best in the business.

Lefties despise him.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 2:47 pm
She should buy them by the pallett, or the truckload, or whatever. She probably also needs to see a psychologist.

Quentin George

3 Mar 12 at 2:48 pm
Read dot’s comment.

She’s either a fucking idiot or a plant.

Piss off Steve you complete and utter moron.

.

3 Mar 12 at 2:52 pm
dot said American taxpayers pay.

He didn’t that they’re taxed by governnmment to pay for it.

American tax payers pay for medical insurance usually thru their employer subsidised programs and they’ll be paying in higher insurance premiums to pay for the insurance companies giving free contraceptives and abortifacients to slut twinks.

So dot is correct.

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 2:53 pm
The pill costs $50 per month, MAXIMUM.

This woman is a fucking idiot.

.

3 Mar 12 at 2:54 pm
Look, if there’s a state mandate in an insurance policy, it’s in the same way as a tax. It’s not a tax per se, but it’s pretty damned close to one.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 2:54 pm
Limbaugh is listened to by 25 million a week.

His daily audience is in excess of 11 million.

He’s been broadcasting for 30 years and they can’t get him.

He’s public enemy No1 to steve and co.

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 2:56 pm
Studies show it’s likely to save insurers money.

Steve from Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 2:56 pm
I thought liberalism sought to end patriarchalism some centuries ago. I guess Rush hasn’t caught up.

Max Scream

3 Mar 12 at 2:56 pm
Lol…

GM (Government Motors) temporarily halts production of Volt

General Motors has temporarily suspended production of its Volt electric car, the company announced Friday.

http://thehill.com/blogs/transportation-report/automobiles/213889-gm-halting-production-of-chevy-volt

JC

3 Mar 12 at 2:58 pm
How fitting that far-right radio station MTR goes off-air for good right as some dropkick is bagging the PM:

http://media.theage.com.au/news/national-news/mtrs-final-broadcast-3089924.html

lol

LaRouchite

3 Mar 12 at 2:58 pm
It really is hilarious.

According to Dick Morris, top Democrat strategists have been told to drop abortion as a moral wedge issue because it no longer plays to their favour. The contraception stunt was designed to be its replacement, with free Pills and condoms now touted as fundamental human rights. Poster child for the tactic is a woman who’s seen more seamen than the USS Missouri. Obama says her parents would be proud. ‘Well rooted,’ Sandy, her beaming Mom said. Suppressing a sob, Dad took the telephone: ‘Oh Sandy, I always knew you’d be a famous slapper. I wish your grand-dad was alive to see this.’

And like a herd of mindless wildebeest, the Western left obediently falls into line, proclaiming free prophylactics the new ‘I have a dream’ moment in world history.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 2:59 pm
Studies show it’s likely to save insurers money.

If ‘studies’ show it ‘saves money’ steve, why does Obummer need to mandate those companies to give abortifacients and contaceptives away fror free?

Surely if what you say is true they’d have been dishing them out like lollies for free before they were forced to?

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 3:01 pm
Poor old Mitt and Rick have made pretty weak rebuttals of Limbaugh.

They can see the keys to the White House slipping away, but are being cautious not to upset the rabble they seek to lead.

Steve from Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 3:01 pm
Studies show it’s likely to save insurers money.

We’ve been through that before stepford. Your ‘study” was comprehensively destroyed.

You’re lying again. Out right lying.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 3:01 pm
If ‘studies’ show it ‘saves money’ steve, why does Obummer need to mandate those companies to give abortifacients and contaceptives away fror free?

Surely if what you say is true they’d have been dishing them out like lollies for free before they were forced to?

Stepford,

any response, you illogical, innumerate pest?

JC

3 Mar 12 at 3:04 pm
In lighy of CL’s excellent post worth highlighting some what I quoted Limbaugh saying earlier.

He does this every day for 3 hours without a telepromper:

“Now, this ginned up birth control crisis just shows there’s literally nothing the Democrats will not use for political gain to advance their agenda. They’re the ones who have no respect for women or for human life or for anything. This woman is being used. Do you realize at the end of the day what’s happening here, the Democrats are putting on parade a woman who is happily presenting herself as an immoral, baseless, no-purpose-to-her-life woman. She wants all the sex in the world, whenever she wants it, all the time. No consequences. No responsibility for her behavior. That is what the Democrats consider a great example of citizenship, an oppressed victim of something. She’s a typical liberal. She stands on her head and says the rest of the world is upside down”

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 3:05 pm
I see now LolDouche is listening to talk back radio on hi centrelink days off.

Moderator…

Can we get a new bunch of lefties in here. The ones you give us are well and truly cooked.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 3:05 pm
Studies show it’s likely to save insurers money.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yes Steve, “studies show” *that mandated gym memberships save money*… christ you idiot do you know anything about the substitution effect?

.

3 Mar 12 at 3:06 pm
It never ceases to tickle my funny bone how the lefties get all in a lather over MTR. I mean it had an inconsequential 1.4% share and yet the left raged against the station, wanted it to go off air, derided the listeners as rabid rightwing geriatrics.

All that energy and vitriol for such a small audience, and the radio station unheard of elsewhere outside of Melbourne.

LOL the left are feeling very threatened these days. As they should be.

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 3:06 pm
Dot, you are right she is by her own admission fucking and by her claims an idiot.

John comnenus

3 Mar 12 at 3:10 pm
They’re the ones who have no respect for women or for human life or for anything.

Absolutely.

Their three greatest heroes of the modern political age are rapist and manslaughterer Ted Kennedy, oral sex pimp John Kennedy and Bill Clinton – the man who settled a rape charge out of court.

Prior to Biden, their Vice-Presidential nominee was John Edwards.

I ask you: what was more important to Mary-Jo Kopechne? A condom or a snorkel?

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 3:11 pm
Dot:

This is sort what David Friedman was talking about in his piece about da global warming.

It’s really worth reading.

http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/richard-lindzen-on-global-warming.html

JC

3 Mar 12 at 3:11 pm
but are being cautious not to upset the rabble they seek to lead

The rabble, Steve? That’s how you describe the American voting populace?

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 3:11 pm
Gab will be here any minute to defend CL’s absurd and distasteful attack on a woman.

JamesK, that actually is not a bad point, which others have asked too. It is mandated in half the States already, but I get the impression that other insurers have offered it voluntarily, motivated by savings.

It would require further research as to why some insurers (apart from those looking after catholic institutions) have held back.

The evidence regarding savings sounded pretty convincing, based as it was on large employer funds that have been doing it for years. Perhaps it is just that it takes a couple of years before the savings kick in that makes some reluctant?

Steve from Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 3:12 pm
I ask you: what was more important to Mary-Jo Kopechne? A condom or a snorkel?

Possibly have someone man enough to help her out of the car.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 3:12 pm
Gab,

Did you ever get your filthy right-wing mits on a copy of Red Cliff?

LaRouchite

3 Mar 12 at 3:13 pm
Gab will be here any minute to defend CL’s absurd and distasteful attack on a woman.

No no no no no you dumb shit I am attacking this woman.

She is a fucking idiot.

.

3 Mar 12 at 3:14 pm
I reckon we shoold have a drinking game. Every time Steve mentions “Catholic” (we’ll ignore his persistent lack of the capital ‘C’ ’cause Steve’s a “Catholic” himself lol) and ‘contraceptive’, it’s a shot of JD all round.

Perhaps then his comments would be of some value.

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 3:17 pm
JamesK, that actually is not a bad point, which others have asked too. It is mandated in half the States already, but I get the impression that other insurers have offered it voluntarily, motivated by savings.

If it’s mandated in states plans James’ argument still applies, you moron.

Furthermore the state plans allow for exit clauses for religious based institutions, which is unlike the Odumbo mandate, you inferior eggnog.

It would require further research as to why some insurers (apart from those looking after catholic institutions) have held back.

More research? lol.. There is some competition in the health market in the US, you dipstick and not all policies are the same…as offered different firms… in the same way Medibank Private offers different cover to HBA.

You clown.

The evidence regarding savings sounded pretty convincing, based as it was on large employer funds that have been doing it for years.

I’ve explained to you how it would most likely work. If there are savings it would show up in the later years as an expansion of firms gross margins. They would then decide what they would do in terms of premiums all things being equal. However the front end would be loaded with costs.

Didn’t understand this before Stepford?

JC

3 Mar 12 at 3:19 pm
Dot, the video you linked is pretty harrowing. Can only watch it in small doses.

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 3:21 pm
Santorum didn’t rebutt Limbaugh steve and I don’t know aboy Romney.

Stop lying please.

Santorum said – when challenged by the gotcha leftist MSM interviewer – that he was being absurdist and that he’s an entertainer.

How could you not be absurdist about this woeful twit Sandra Fluke’s pathetically inane testimony?

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 3:23 pm
Preshizzle

Hahaha! That’s funny because it’s racist! Nice one.

Seriously? You’re making a stand over that? That offends you?

Don’t worry, there’s a new beefed up press council on the way to fight your battles for you and silence all who offend your delicate, effeminate, sensibilities.

Abu Chowdah

3 Mar 12 at 3:24 pm
How fitting that far-right radio station MTR goes off-air for good right as some dropkick is bagging the PM:

So you admit it, then? Critics will be silenced!

Not the irony you were hoping for, eh, shitheel?

Abu Chowdah

3 Mar 12 at 3:27 pm
It is mandated in half the States already, but I get the impression that other insurers have offered it voluntarily, motivated by savings.

Insurance companies offer it at a price not for free.

Stop being a lying ponce steve

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 3:27 pm
Gab will be here any minute to defend CL’s absurd and distasteful attack on a woman.

Not if she knows what’s good for her, hey Steve?

After all, you once said you wanted to hit her.

You’re like Jake the Muss, hold the muss.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 3:28 pm
And I warned you about your “impressions” and “for what it’s worth”s and “it seems to me”s before, haven’t I steve?

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 3:30 pm
Step.

People here just don’t like you.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 3:31 pm
Gab will be here any minute to defend CL’s absurd and distasteful attack on a woman.

What attack? Do you deem this an attack:

According to Dick Morris, top Democrat strategists have been told to drop abortion as a moral wedge issue because it no longer plays to their favour. The contraception stunt was designed to be its replacement, with free Pills and condoms now touted as fundamental human rights. Poster child for the tactic is a woman who’s seen more seamen than the USS Missouri. Obama says her parents would be proud. ‘Well rooted,’ Sandy, her beaming Mom said. Suppressing a sob, Dad took the telephone: ‘Oh Sandy, I always knew you’d be a famous slapper. I wish your grand-dad was alive to see this.’

And like a herd of mindless wildebeest, the Western left obediently falls into line, proclaiming free prophylactics the new ‘I have a dream’ moment in world history.

It warrants repeating, because it’s an accurate account of how the left, people like you Steve, think it’s all so awesome a woman proudly declares her…umm…voracious sexual appetite.

And yet you spent days abusing the wife on one candidate for a past indiscretion, Steve, you misogynistic creep.

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 3:34 pm
Now, come on lads, let’s be fair as there’s no denying it – the addition of Bob Carr does indeed improve the calibre of the federal cabinet.

All the better when they are fired out of a cannon as a result of the next Federal election.

kae

3 Mar 12 at 3:34 pm
Good point, Gab.

I forgot about that.

Just two weeks ago, Steve was condemning Mrs Santorum as a sexually loose woman.

You really are disgusting, Steve.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 3:36 pm
Gab: never saw a misogynist attack on a woman at Catallaxy she didn’t like.

What a disgrace.

Steve from Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 3:38 pm
Bob Carr assumes the leadership:

Incoming foreign minister Bob Carr has issued a warning to his Labor Party colleagues to stop leaking internal details to the media…

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 3:38 pm
Stop oppressing Gab steve

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 3:40 pm
Not true Steve. I’ve highlighted and denounced your misogynistic comments a number of times.

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 3:40 pm
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/cloudy-contraception-costs/

Covers the issue of costs to insurers for contraceptive cover.

Argues there are contradictory studies as to whether it saves money, but also seems to note the cost of providing the cover is at worst very, very small.

Steve from Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 3:41 pm
Sandy “Quickie Queen” Fluke isn’t representative of women, Steve.

That you think she is marks you as the misogynist.

Along with your existing portfolio of threats and smears, of course.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 3:41 pm
You are now “fair game”, dumbarse Steve.

Gab: never saw a misogynist attack on a woman at Catallaxy she didn’t like.

What a disgrace.

Have you stopped beating your wife, Stepford?

.

3 Mar 12 at 3:43 pm
Argues there are contradictory studies as to whether it saves money, but also seems to note the cost of providing the cover is at worst very, very small.

So it’s ok to mandate private companies to pay for abortifacients and contaceptives cos they’re really not that expensive especially when you consider the benefits steve?

is that your pitiful excuse in lieu of an argument steve?

They said that about school halls and roof insulation as I recall – net benefit and all that.

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 3:47 pm
Argues there are contradictory studies as to whether it saves money, but also seems to note the cost of providing the cover is at worst very, very small.

You stupid snivelling turd. There is an additional cost and you have no frickin’ understanding of the substitution effect.

If you want to buy some dumb slut her condoms, go ahead, but don’t make, because I’d like to buy own cheaper ones.

.

3 Mar 12 at 3:49 pm
–> my own

.

3 Mar 12 at 3:50 pm
ABOUT 2000 people in Sydney’s flood-threatened north-western fringes have been told to evacuate as emergency services battle what they say is a record event.

Thank the constantly crying Gaia that Flannery warned us all about the never-ending drought.

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 3:51 pm
Factcheck.org is run by the Annenberg Public Policy Center.

Who’s the Director?

Kathleen Hall Jamieson.

Who is Kathleen Hall Jamieson?

Kathleen Hall Jamieson, Ph.D. is the Director of the Annenburg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania which is the organization behind the FactCheck.org “truthfulness” website.

Dr Jamieson’s newest book entitled Echo Chamber: Rush Limbaugh and the Conservative Media Establishment is a MAJOR HIT PIECE against the Conservative voices in the media on television, radio, and in print.

The book’s official blurb:

Rupert Murdoch’s recent multibillion-dollar purchase of the Wall Street Journal made international news. Yet it is but one more chapter in an untold story: the rise of an integrated conservative media machine that all began with Rush Limbaugh in the 1980s. Now Kathleen Hall Jamieson and Joseph Cappella — two of the nation’s foremost experts on politics and communications—offer a searching analysis of the conservative media establishment, from talk radio to Fox News to the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal. Indeed, here is the first serious account of how the conservative media arose, what it consists of, and how it operates. This thoughtful study offers the most authoritative and insightful account of this revolutionary phenomenon available today.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 3:52 pm
It will never flood again in Australia.

.

3 Mar 12 at 3:56 pm
After reading the generally unapologetic and rampantly ugly and misogynist comments on many of the prominent US right wing blogs, I’m just about willing to call this one.

Obama is not going to lose the election.

The American Right needs a thorough hosing out of the poisonous and dumb cultural cesspit it has become before it has hope of being worthy of election again.

Steve from Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 4:07 pm
Carr and Gillard birds of a feather:

http://bunyipitude.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/he-will-fit-right-in.html

Actually, it’s just Labor.

Ivan Denisovich

3 Mar 12 at 4:08 pm
Thanks Spot, But it looks as if it only affects Android phones, others, not just mine.
I got a friend who has never been near Tim Blair’s site before today, and it happened to her too.
Maybe he’s been hacked and maybe the Herald Sun has some incompetent IT people.
Beau

DrBeauGan

3 Mar 12 at 4:09 pm
Annenberg?
That wouldn’t be related in any way to some Chicago based education foundation which allowed a know nothing community organiser and his former domestic terrorist mate to piss $150 million away, would it?

lotocoti

3 Mar 12 at 4:10 pm
The American Right needs a thorough hosing out of the poisonous and dumb cultural cesspit

There is no more odious a cesspit than exists between your ears steve

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 4:10 pm
Should I pass on your ‘bravery’ in calling the November Presidential election Mar 3 to the DrudgeReport or CNN, steve

You odious clown.

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 4:12 pm
‘Courageous’, James, ‘courageous’.

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 4:14 pm
Ah yes Steve, my honour and intelligence ought to be insulted because some dumb bitch asks congress in sworn testimony to subsidise her absurd condom bill.

Fuck off and grow a brain.

.

3 Mar 12 at 4:25 pm
I liked the MTR segment with Andrew Bolt and Steve Price, they had a nice rapport and always made politics interesting. Shame it isn’t on some major radio station, it would do well, because Mr Bolt is very listenable to.

candy

3 Mar 12 at 4:31 pm
The American Right needs a thorough hosing out of the poisonous and dumb cultural cesspit it has become before it has hope of being worthy of election again.

Except for the historic landslide victory in Congress and State governments that they achieved two years ago at the height of the target of your utter derangement: the Tea Party.

Except for that little thing “they don’t have a hope of being worthy of election again”.

You’re so utterly useless. There’s nothing that haven’t been wrong about since I started coming here.

Nothing.

Steve your itching to come out and declare yourself a leftist, it’s obvious so JUST DO IT ALREADY YOU COWARD.

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 4:41 pm
Steve from Brisbane: 2009:

Malcolm Turnbull is 100% right. It is electoral disaster looming for the Coalition not just for the nest election, but probably for the next few electoral cycles.

I’ve been arguing all day at Catallaxy about the hopeless, politically inept, rabble of climate skeptics in the Liberals who think that a rush to the phones by the Liberal party members (what, average age probably 55, and avid readers of such sound sources of climate science like Andrew Bolt?) means that they should renege on an approach (good faith negotiations with Labor) they only agreed to a few week ago.

And my question: Tony Abbott, how are you going to deal with an ETS when you are leader? See what happens at Copenhagen? You think you are ever going to get Minchin et al to agree to any action at all on CO2? You are going to lead the Party to the next election as the Party dominated by do nothing skeptics, regardless of whether that election be a double dissolution or later. You think that’s a winning strategy?

Absolutely hopeless (if, like me, you are normally inclined towards Coalition policies.) It’s the 1980′s all over again – Labor with no end in sight.

Electoral disaster?

Oh my God.

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 4:52 pm
Steve Fro Brisbane goes it alone, where no reasonable scientist says any local effect can yet be attributed to Climate Change, Steve from Brisbane knew better that the whole field two years ago:

It is, shall we say, not a good look to be jumping up and down about the “craziness” of any type of global warming action when your own State is undergoing a record breaking heat wave in a season not previously recognized as usually being exceptionally hot at all. Minchin has shot himself in the foot in the most spectacular way possible. His criticism yesterday seemed to be against any CPRS legislation going through before Copenhagen, which of itself is not an unreasonable point. But he can’t expect to be taken seriously on any point about global warming now due to his self-outing as one who believes it’s all a socialist conspiracy. (That and the fact his State is melting in spring, let alone summer.)

Space Cadet.

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 4:54 pm
Speaking of taxpayer funded parasites…

As my backyard floods for the second time in three days, aren’t we all just so happy that this snake oil selling shithead is on a taxpayer funded stipend of a mere $180,000pa plus other odd, assorted boondoggles?!?!

Rabz

3 Mar 12 at 4:58 pm
Steve’s a woefully unintelligent Media Matters-informed chatlatan drone twostix.

Thanks for dredgeing up his sludge from earlier.

His pig-ignorant smug condescension was inadvertently heralding his rank stupidity as clearly then as now.

It is all entirely consistent with the leftist dross he stains this blog with on a daily basis

JamesK

3 Mar 12 at 5:05 pm
Be a mensch, twostix.
Show a little mercy.
Steve’s tiny fists of rage are dangerously close to cramping over free frangers for the Georgetown Turtle.

lotocoti

3 Mar 12 at 5:42 pm
free frangers for the Georgetown Turtle

You cad, locototi. I was drinking a cup of tea when I read that and damn near drowned.

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 5:47 pm
The American Right needs a thorough hosing out of the poisonous and dumb cultural cesspit it has become…

But Stevie, why is it okay for you to make up stories about peoples sex lives if they disagree with you but wrong for any normal person to call a slut a slut?

Tiny Dancer

3 Mar 12 at 6:44 pm
I like this blog they’re very balanced over at AFV:

http://afrankview.net/2012/03/a-new-hope-fight-the-tories/comment-page-3/

LaRouchite

3 Mar 12 at 6:51 pm
The American Right needs a thorough hosing out of the poisonous and dumb cultural cesspit it has become before it has hope of being worthy of election again.

Steve defends the only leader in the world who passionately supports killing children.

Which Obama did on multiple occasions in Illinois.

Steve is a ‘conservative’ ‘Catholic.’

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 6:53 pm
Oh Douch of Douches, the site’s another yawn-inducer. Yet another soft-left site regurgitating the usual ALP talking points and tired old lefty shibboleths.

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 7:30 pm
It looks like the latest Yeti sighting, added with the fall of MtR seem to have got the beta blowflies at Crikey all a titter.

I do laugh as Eric Beecher has been crawling to Labor governments for a to be placed on the public teat as the business model of providing news to lefty beta types is not economically possible.

After he is asking the blowflies to pay for crap, when there are piles of it provided for free by the ABC.

Token

3 Mar 12 at 7:38 pm
From the final reporting of this Labor governments media Inquisitor a very interesting statement buried on page 291

What are the options for regulation:
….
License publishers of print and online news, the criterion being that the publisher is a ‘fit and proper person’—an option with a surprising number of supporters, most but not all of whom are members of the advocacy group Avaaz. a

Avaaz? Who are these people who flooded this inquiry with demands to license the free press in Australia? I bet it was those evil christian rightwingers wasn’t it?…

Avaaz.org was co-founded by Res Publica, a “community of public sector professionals dedicated to promoting good governance, civic virtue and deliberative democracy”,[2] and MoveOn.org, a George Soros-funded[3], American non-profit progressive public policy advocacy group.[4][5] It was also supported by Service Employees International Union, a founding partner, and GetUp!, an Australian non-profit campaigning organization.

Getup wants the government to license newspapers 1720′s style and uses foreign activist groups to agitate internally for that.

The traitorous fucking Australian left ay?

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 7:50 pm
A ‘fit and proper person’ test wouldn’t exclude anyone, although that may change after the Murdoch empire’s collapse into the funding of the corruption of public officials.

Max Scream

3 Mar 12 at 8:12 pm
The Inquiry received and reviewed approximately 10 600 short submissions

The majority of the submissions were facilitated by two advocacy organisations, Avaaz and NewsStand through the use of online forms. In relation to the submissions facilitated by Avaaz, approximately 9600 submissions made use of the following prepared text:

That is 86% of the inquiries to the “inquiry” were boilerplate submissions from the foreign political organisation Avaaz.

And for the great lie, how many leftists did we have here piously claiming the inquiry had nothing to do with shutting down or muzzling news LTD, nothing at all.

From the Avaaz call to arms, where 86% of the inquiries submissions came from:

The People vs. Murdoch — last day to be heard!

The media inquiry we fought hard to win is under threat — Rupert Murdoch’s newspapers are working to discredit and limit the investigation into his stranglehold on our media. But a flood of public comments from each of us will set an ambitious agenda and save the inquiry.

Oh no, it had nothing to do with the left wanting to silence News Ltd.

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 8:21 pm
And my question: Tony Abbott, how are you going to deal with an ETS when you are leader? See what happens at Copenhagen? You think you are ever going to get Minchin et al to agree to any action at all on CO2? You are going to lead the Party to the next election as the Party dominated by do nothing skeptics, regardless of whether that election be a double dissolution or later. You think that’s a winning strategy?

Ahahahahahah.

Short answer: yes.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 8:21 pm
A ‘fit and proper person’ test wouldn’t exclude anyone, although that may change after the Murdoch empire’s collapse into the funding of the corruption of public officials.

Yeah! Right on!!

Fuck off.

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 8:22 pm
Incredible, twostix.

Geat find.

So the inquiry hs been duped and swamped by Soros-funded communists, left-wing public servants and gerontological Labor astro-turf outfit, GetUp.

I smell another looming Gillard debacle.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 8:25 pm
Maxie the Squealer:

A ‘fit and proper person’ test wouldn’t exclude anyone, although that may change after the Murdoch empire’s collapse into the funding of the corruption of public officials.

Bollocks, Squealboy, a standard lefty lie. With that in place, it is the definition of what fit and proper means which matters. And that depends on the activist lawyer/judge/politician If, say, Andrew Bolt suddenly became a hundred-aire and bought The Age for full value ($1.37), d’you think Judge Mordy would judge him ‘fit and proper’?

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 8:28 pm
Standing ovation, TwoStix.

Well done, sir!

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 8:37 pm
The majority of the submissions were facilitated by two advocacy organisations, Avaaz and NewsStand through the use of online forms. In relation to the submissions facilitated by Avaaz, approximately 9600 submissions made use of the following prepared text:

So Avaaz is a foreign political organisation of which Getup! is a major supporter.

Who then is NewsStand?

From their Website: “Authorised by Ed Coper”

Who is Ed Coper?

Ed Coper is the Campaigns Coordinator for GetUp! Action for Australia.

So the vast majority of submissions to the inquiry came from two Getup Astroturf websites! The same Getup who took 1 million from unions, board has featured such non partison characters as Bill Shorten and Lachlan Harris and Manada Tattersall. An organisation whose former executive director said:

“Former GetUp! Executive Director, Brett Solomon, admits that serious consideration was given in 2007 to ‘turning the power of GetUp! into a Labor campaigning machine.’”

What a fucking farce!

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 8:43 pm
Twostix – seriously, email this to Tim Blair and Andrew Bolt. it’s good stuff and deserves a thorough airing.

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 8:54 pm
What Mark said, twostix.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 8:57 pm
Twostix – seriously, email this to Tim Blair and Andrew Bolt. it’s good stuff and deserves a thorough airing.

Well done, twostix and I agree you should forward this to AB & TB.

And let’s not forget that Daddy Dave also did some digging on Newsstand http://asiancorrespondent.com/62615/who-is-behind-newsstand/

As for GetUp being a front for Labor…Naaaah, don’t be silly

Get Up! funded anti-Abbott ad with union’s $1m gift

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 9:01 pm
What Mark said, twostix.

They both seem to take submissions from you C.L could I trouble you to send it to them?

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 9:03 pm
And then there’s this

GetUp exposed: George Soros’ tentacles reach into Australia

Ah Yes, I remember the days when Little Billy Shorten was was a board member of GetUp.org.au Good times.

Gab

3 Mar 12 at 9:05 pm
Tim’s away on holiday, twostix, and no, I’ve never corresponded with Bolta. I don’t even have his email address.

C.L.

3 Mar 12 at 9:07 pm
Yes, well done, twostix; its GetUp cubed! These people are thoroughly despicable.

dover_beach

3 Mar 12 at 9:07 pm
Funny story, ladies and gentleman, I bumped into one of Soros’ many tentacles while in NY recently.

dover_beach

3 Mar 12 at 9:15 pm
I did a bit of research on GetUp late last year and found that one of the main players left and got a job with….Avaaz. They’re very closely intertwined. I’ll have to go back and find out what his name was.

boy on a bike

3 Mar 12 at 9:19 pm
I was sure I’d seen Bolt attribute something to you C.L.

Anybody else here have any luck getting through to bolt? I imagine he’s got some pretty hardcore filtering on his bolta@heraldsun.com.au email.

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 9:20 pm
Well done TwoStix, no surprises that the slimebags at ShutUp! went out of their way to drive a crusade organised by former union heavy Conroy.

Ok, so who funds ShutUp! ?

In 2010 it became public that GetUp received more than $1m in donations from six unions in the course of three weeks during that year’s federal election campaign, equal to about two thirds of its advertising campaign expenditure and over half of their total donations. GetUp director, Simon Sheikh, said; “we don’t exactly know why they are chipping in, but we are happy that they have.” [30]

Token

3 Mar 12 at 9:22 pm
BOAB – that’s good stuff to add to what Twostix has.

Twostix, Bolt seems to get stuff sent to that email addy, Habib seems to get stuff thru routinely.

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 9:23 pm
Hey, a thought!

Evil Doomlord Sinc (ALL HAIL THE DOOMLORD!!) – whew, nearly forgot…

Anyhoo, Sinc has been on Bolt’s show IIRC. And he’s a pretty sizeable kahuna. Maybe he could assist?

bang it together anyway and send it to Sinc. He’ll certainly guestpost it here for you, and I am sure can contact Bolt.

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 9:26 pm
GetUp’s board members are:

David Madden, a co-founder
Jeremy Heimans, a co-founder
Amanda Tattersall, a union researcher
Anne Coombs, a historian and online opinion author
Brett Solomon, former Campaigns Director of AVAAZ and former Executive Director of GetUp

Token

3 Mar 12 at 9:26 pm
Dot, you’re right that link to Vice on Liberia was awesome.

Nothing says African civil war like ‘General Butt Naked’.

Chalk another one up to the success of the do gooders.

CraigS

3 Mar 12 at 9:36 pm
Ah yes, from the 2008/09 annual report of GetUp:

In June 2008, GetUp’s Executive Director of two years, Brett Solomon, announced his resignation to move on to work with international organisation Avaaz.org. Simon Sheikh took up the position of GetUp National Director in September 2008.

Amazingly, GetUp have not released their annual reports for 2009/10 or 2010/11.

boy on a bike

3 Mar 12 at 9:41 pm
Amazingly, GetUp have not released their annual reports for 2009/10 or 2010/11.

Slap a leftwing head with that next time one of them whines about da IPA.

Jc

3 Mar 12 at 9:45 pm
There is absolutely no need to contact Bolt directly. He reads Catallaxy, plus he reads Gavin Atkins, Bunyip, and so on. If he likes it, he’ll mention it and link to it.

daddy dave

3 Mar 12 at 9:46 pm
Gavin has hung up his keyboard and is working on another project for the time being.

boy on a bike

3 Mar 12 at 9:51 pm
David Madden, a co-founder
Jeremy Heimans, a co-founder
Amanda Tattersall, a union researcher
Anne Coombs, a historian and online opinion author
Brett Solomon, former Campaigns Director of AVAAZ and former Executive Director of GetUp

Amanda Tattersall – “union researcher”

She is the founder and Director of the Sydney Alliance, a diverse coalition of unions, community organizations and religious organizations working for the common good for a fair, just and sustainable city.

She has been the President of the National Union of Students (NSW Branch), founded Labor for Refugees, co-founded and is the chair of http://www.getup.org.au – an internationally renowned Australian web-based campaign organisation with over 350 000 members.

She has worked as a union organiser and is currently an elected official (Deputy Assistant Secretary) with Unions NSW, the central labor council in Sydney NSW representing 600 000 workers.

She completed a PhD on coalition unionism at the University of Sydney featuring case studies of coalitions from Sydney, Chicago and Toronto. In undertaking this research, she spent two years living in the United States and Canada as a visiting fellow at Cornell University’s Industrial and Labor Relations School.

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 9:58 pm
Lord… Incestuous or what?

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 10:03 pm
I reckon it’s still worth sending a set of links to Bolt; makes it easy for him.

The Cats have done a great investigative job (genuine quality journalism) and it would be a shame to waste the efforts.

Max Scream – Munch off you fool, Mary T masquerading again? Or are there just so many bored superannuated lefties around? Find a bridge to scream on somewhere far away from here.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

3 Mar 12 at 10:03 pm
I am so fucking livid with what the left is trying to do to stifle free speech.

However I see a silver lining. The conservatives need to dismantle every single leftwing media group in the country with maximum prejudice.

Take no prisoners are just fuck’em good and proper and permanently until there’s nothing left of left wing media or public funding.

Yes , it’s wrong to do this, however lessons must be learnt the hard way.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 10:03 pm
My dear Lizzie, it’s Maxie the Squealer or Maxie the Squealboy, now.

Who knows how many copies of Deliverance he’s worn out? Let us hope it’s only that movie he’s been inspired by.

He’s also outed himself as a support of the divine right of Kings. (!)

Squealer indeed.

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 10:08 pm
David Madden, a co-founder

David Madden is an Australian entrepreneur associated with progressive causes. He is a co-founder of GetUp! a web-based political movement, and Avaaz.org, a global advocacy movement.

Madden grew up in Canberra and served as an Army officer before studying Arts and Law at the University of New South Wales in Sydney. Madden served as president of the University of New South Wales Student Guild after defeating the Labor Left candidate in a landslide.

After winning the University Medal in History, Madden was awarded Fulbright and Frank Knox scholarships to study at Harvard University, where he earned a bachelor’s degree in law and completed his master’s degree in public policies.

The following year, together with Jeremy Heimans, he co-founded GetUp!, a similar campaign against the recently re-elected Howard government in Australia. Madden and Heimans subsequently co-founded Avaaz.org.

Avaaz’s individual co-founders include Ricken Patel, Tom Pravda, former Virginia congressman Tom Perriello, MoveOn Executive Director Eli Pariser, Australian progressive entrepreneur David Madden, Jeremy Heimans (co-founders of Purpose.com), and Andrea Woodhouse[4] The board consists of Ricken Patel (president), Tom Pravda (secretary), Eli Pariser (board chairman), and Ben Brandzel (treasurer).[6]

Tell me GetUP isn’t a Media Matters style Soros front group.

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 10:10 pm
Anybody see that ad for the show “Sunday” about the ebil sugar and the mild mannered sugar exec being interviewed by that Peter Fitzimons clown? The guy who always wears the stupid red bandana on his head?

Mild mannered man: “I think we’ve answered that question”

Bandana wearing interviewer at maximum sneer: “Well I don’t think we have”

What.a.cock.

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 10:27 pm
Oh, was it Deliverance? I can’t recall much of it. I closed my eyes and ears through a lot of that, and buried my face into HIA’s comforting shoulder and probably did my nails to distract myself (on video, at home).

I too am feeling maximum prejudice is needed to counter this unbelievable assault on freedom of speech, JC. Very angry making. How dare they, just how dare they?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

3 Mar 12 at 10:27 pm
I too am feeling maximum prejudice is needed to counter this unbelievable assault on freedom of speech, JC. Very angry making. How dare they, just how dare they?

Allegedly Getup was founded to work against the “Anti democratic” Howard Government.

Demanding the government introduce licensing for the press is apparently the height of democratic thought.

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 10:35 pm
Shut Up! is Labor Party astro-turf. I find it hard to believe the kiddies do anything that is not directed by the big kids in the big house.

Bill Shorten was a founding director until 2006, the entered parliament in 2007.

Shorten was an active member of the Labor Party; he was a member of the party’s National Executive until 2011, as well as the Administrative Committee of the Victorian Branch. He is a former director of the Superannuation Trust of Australia (now Australian Super), and the Victorian Funds Management Corporation. From December 2005 until May 2008 he was the Victorian State President of the Labor Party. He was also a member of the Australian Council of Trade Unions Executive. Until early 2006, he was a board member of GetUp.org.au

Shorten & Conroy are old buddies from the good old days when they worked in the

Token

3 Mar 12 at 10:37 pm
Well, what do we DO about it then?

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 10:42 pm
…
Senator Ray’s office in the early 1990′s

Token

3 Mar 12 at 10:43 pm
The greatest threat to liberty of expression comes from those on the right and left who prosecute the war on terror.

Max Scream

3 Mar 12 at 10:46 pm
Shorten & Conroy are old buddies from the good old days when they worked in the

When you start trawling through the web it’s absoluteuly mind blowing to see the enourmous number of groups and organisations that exist and all of the connections between them, and that all of these people seem to be intermingling within.

It really is a massive “hidden” industry nehind Australian politics. The right are absolutely pathetic in comparison.

And to remind everyone of what incredibly shitty vetting the Liberals do of the wets in the party:

From 2005:

Former Liberal leader John Hewson, Labor’s dotcom millionaire Evan Thornley and union boss Bill Shorten have teamed up behind a new player in Australian politics vowing to wrest the country back from conservatives.

GetUp

Thanks Hewson in your pathetic desire to escape obscurity you helped create a monster.

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 10:47 pm
Well, what do we DO about it then?

We need to Judo roll these massive bohemith political organisations.

Exposing them publically as foreign political agitators, conspiring globally would damage them.

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 10:51 pm
I’m up. Been doing this for years.

Who else is game?

The Million Breitbart Project
I mourn the death of Andrew Breitbart. I didn’t know the guy personally, aside from the exchange of a few mutual admiration emails, so I have no further insights into the man or his personality beyond what his many friends and colleagues have already written.

But my mourning is mixed with a sense of frustration. Great men like Andrew Breitbart are not great simply because of their own personal actions and achievements; they’re great because they show us the way to be just like them.

A good father goes fishing and feeds his sons every night. A great father teaches his sons how to fish so they can feed themselves.

A good muckraking investigative journo-activist breaks shocking stories that change the political landscape. A great muckraking investigative journo-activist — like Andrew Breitbart — shows us that anybody can do what he does.

Because that’s the secret of Andrew Breitbart’s career: He rose to the top despite not possessing any unique skills.

He wasn’t a great writer. Not bad; just serviceable. He didn’t have a PhD. He personally wasn’t very handy with a camera. (Though he certainly knew what to do with newsworthy photos or footage once he got his hands on them.) He wasn’t an economic theorist. He wasn’t a beacon of moral purity. He wasn’t a deep philosopher. He wasn’t even a professional journalist.

But whatever he did, he did with gusto. And not just run-of-the-mill gusto: extreme gusto.

When he got the ball, he never fumbled. He sent would-be tacklers flying. And even if his team wasn’t on offense, he’d snatch the ball anyway and score a backfield touchdown before the other guys even knew what happened.

One thing we must learn from Andrew’s life: If Breitbart could do it, anyone could do it. We no longer have any excuse. America’s bloggers and citizen-journalists and new-media mavens need to get off our collective asses and make news happen.

Every day, you need to ask yourself: What Would Breitbart Do?

And then do it.

Too many bloggers and pundits are responding to Breitbart’s passing with an air of resignation and deflation. Instead, we should look to him as an inspiration, a model of how we all should act. That’s what Andrew would want.

Imagine not one Andrew Breitbart smashing the status quo on a daily basis, but a million Andrew Breitbarts. (Heck, I’d be satisfied with a hundred, but following my own blandishments, I’m reaching for the stars.) The oppressive, smothering narrative chokehold of the entrenched media-political-academic monopoly would be decisively broken once and for all.

And so I mark Breitbart’s death by announcing The Million Breitbart Project. It has no official membership, no organizers, no infrastructure. The Million Breitbart Project is instead a state of mind. Every blogger and activist and citizen journalist must henceforth strive to emulate Breitbart’s verve and attitude in everything we do.

Don’t ask permission. Don’t take “No” for an answer, either from your inner pessimist or from anyone else.

Think strategically. Act boldly. To do otherwise would be an insult to Breitbart’s memory and show that we didn’t learn the lesson of his too-brief life.

From Zombie

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 10:54 pm
The greatest threat to liberty of expression comes from those on the right and left who prosecute the war on terror

Try telling Salman Rushdie that.

No, the greatest threat to liberty of expression comes from terror itself. There are plenty of examples of Western media organisations openly admitting that they self-censor in order to avoid violent retribution if they say the wrong thing. The latest was the BBC (last month, I think?)

daddy dave

3 Mar 12 at 10:54 pm
Aaaaw. How cute.

Maxie the Squealboy’s been unchained from his ‘special friend’s’ four poster.

And he’s gibbering senseless rubbish again. Sweet. Guess to roofies’n'meth have not worn off yet, eh, squealer?

The greatest threat to liberty of expression comes from those on the right and left who prosecute the war on terror.

Mk50 of Brisbane

3 Mar 12 at 10:56 pm
Breitbarts most important message:

Breitbart knew instinctively, as people in Washington and most other places did not, that movies, television programs, and popular music send out deeply political messages every hour of every day. They shape the culture, and then the culture shapes politics. Influence those films and TV shows and songs, and you’ll eventually influence politics.

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 10:57 pm
Count me in. This is a shit fight. So we had Marr and co arguing without any evidence that Howard was muzzling free expression. And now Marr and co are trying to do just that.

I loathe these bastards. No quarter.

Lazlo

3 Mar 12 at 11:12 pm
The advantage of anonymity in blogging won’t last forever so make goose of it. The army Facebook retribution shows that the purported security of that caper is mere puffery.

Pickles

3 Mar 12 at 11:29 pm
Nothing to stop anyone using a proxy. Pickles. They can never win and won’t. We won’t let the left win this one.

JC

3 Mar 12 at 11:31 pm
Exposing them publically as foreign political agitators, conspiring globally would damage them.

Send a backgrounder with the links re findings to Bolt and anyone else who might run with it; that would be a start.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

3 Mar 12 at 11:34 pm
Send a backgrounder with the links re findings to Bolt and anyone else who might run with it; that would be a start.

I sent an email but I imagine his heraldsun inbox is a wasteland of leftist abuse.

twostix

3 Mar 12 at 11:42 pm
Plus pass it on to some Liberal media people. They can’t all be slackers (question – why haven’t they done this digging themselves?) and some have contacts.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

3 Mar 12 at 11:49 pm
The whole Gillard thing is a tragicomedy. But this stuff is a bit serious.

Pickles

3 Mar 12 at 11:51 pm
For a few years (2007-2011) I sent emails to Andrew directly regarding the climate change fraud and he would respond personally. They were the Stalingrad years, when anyone who objected to ‘the consensus’ about ‘the cause’ was subjected to torrents of abuse. Andrew was a great defender of rationalism then and still is.

Times have changed and he is now very successful in the new mass media. I can assure you that the Fairfax new media people hate him, but are also grudgingly respectful of his page impressions and dwell time.

He has now become more than a cottage industry and has to deal with scale. As DD said though, his people monitor blogs like this so if anything useful is revealed, they will pick up on it.

Lazlo

4 Mar 12 at 12:06 am
The irony is that gauleiter Gillard’s move to ban free speech originated with purportedly tendentious coverage of the inner crises in the government, nudged along by the British inquiry (nudged contrivedly and mendaciously by Gillard herself).

We now know the coverage of the dysfunctionality and hatred in the government was true in every aspect. Indeed, Gillard and Rudd have themselves insisted on it.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 12:08 am
Great find, twostix. Send an email to bunyip and Gerard Henderson.

Abu Chowdah

4 Mar 12 at 12:10 am
Remember this from last year?

Julia Gillard says News Ltd has questions to answer in wake of UK scandal.

JULIA Gillard has declared that News Ltd, the Australian arm of Rupert Murdoch’s media empire, has “hard questions” to answer in light of the UK phone hacking scandal.
The Prime Minister declined to comment specifically on the testimonies overnight of Mr Murdoch and his son James to a British parliamentary inquiry.

But she said Australians were disturbed by the revelations of telephone hacking by British journalists, which resulted in the closure of the 168-year-old paper, The News of the World.

“I do believe that Australians watching all of that happening overseas with News Corp are looking at News Ltd here and are wanting to see News Ltd answer some hard questions,” Ms Gillard said.

The Prime Minister did not elaborate on what questions the company should answer.

Complete lies.

News Ltd had no questions to answer.

She does, though. Like her role in Australia’s first ever PM&C-organised race riot.

She is a pathological liar and wrecker.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 12:14 am
Murdoch’s a big boy. He pays people to tell porkies. His activities are all over the papers, but of course not his.

Max Scream

4 Mar 12 at 12:21 am
. Send an email to bunyip

Twostix can do that but be warned that Bunyip rarely checks email on his blog site (an email is needed to activate the blog account). You’re better off addressing a comment directly to him as he checks each comment before publishing so he’s bound to see it.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 12:23 am
Great stuff from MWD yesterday..

Then, seven minutes into the program, Tony Jones called for a question from Q&A audience member Nicholas Gotsis. Such prepared questions are approved in advance by the Q&A executive producer. Here is Nicholas Gotsis’ question and the presenter’s response:

Nicholas Gotsis : The “fighting Julia” we have witnessed over the last few weeks is the Julia we would all like to see, and the Julia we want battling the Mad Monk. Could this episode help the Labor Party move towards a more genuine relationship with the public?

Tony Jones : Peter Beattie, you half answered that already. But, I mean, give us your taste on how Julia Gillard handled this past week.

The reference to the “Mad Monk” was, of course, to Tony Abbott. But Tony Abbot is not mad. And he is not, and never has been, a monk. This is just a sectarian sneer aimed at the fact that Mr Abbott is a practising Catholic and, these days, Christians in general and Catholics in particular are fair game – provided of course, they are not lefties. Particularly on such programs as Q&A where sneering secularists make up a large section of the audience.

It is impossible to imagine that the Q&A production team would approve a question which referred to a secular Muslim leader as the “Mad Mullah” or the “Mad Imam”.

Anyone want to submit a question to Q&A on Monday about the Lying Slapper?

Lazlo

4 Mar 12 at 12:25 am
All of the questions on qanda are editorial fabrications.

It’s essentially a comedy programme.

Max Scream

4 Mar 12 at 12:31 am
Anyone want to submit a question to Q&A on Monday about the Lying Slapper?

Heh. I did that once. They rang me, said it was a good question and they wanted to use it. Then the girl from the ABC asked for the source to a reference I had made in the question. Answering her it became clear that it was going a gotcha type of question directed at her PM. They never did ask the question.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 12:33 am
Interesting vid by Dick Morris. He maintains that despite the bullshit coming out of Washington based Obumbo stenographers he can’t see how Odumbo can win. Correction, he straight out says Odumbo will lose.

Thesis:

Odumbo is polling 43% approval. In recent polls Romney is either ahead of level with the idiot. The interesting point that Morris makes is that the undecideds will break for Romney, as they always do in every single race since the early 60′s.

Like the toe sucker suggests, who ever says they will likely remain married next year. You either will or won’t. These people are the undecideds

The other huge movement, which is tectonic, is party affiliation and there has been an 8% shift is favor of the GOP since 2008. this is huge as you now have more people identifying GOP than Demolitionists.

Next time Odumbo lover, Leslie ,shows up and suggests Romney is a dickwad and he’s cruel to dogs, ask him how he sees Odumbo winning in November and why Dick is wrong.

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/obama-will-lose-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/

By the way, he also thinks Santorum would be a good candidate but he needs to get off the social issues and talk more about the econony as he has economic policies that the public likes.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 12:36 am
Read this link and then tell me there is no organised assault on the Catholic Church in the US;

http://jewelledcranberry.wordpress.com/2012/03/01/you-will-pay-dearly-for-judging-me/#comments

Pedro the Ignorant

4 Mar 12 at 1:44 am
You pinheads calling Get Up a Labor front group or whatever might want to know their target for the most part is the ALP and due to this a lot of Laborites hate Get Up.

You relaise they just tried to embarrass the hell out of the PM by making her do a charity dinner with a gay couple due to her refusal to end marriage discrimination?

Get Up are left-wing sure but they go after both the conservative ALP and the far-right Liberal Party.

LaRouchite

4 Mar 12 at 2:06 am
LOL. That’s hilarious.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 2:10 am
No whats hilarious Gab, is if you lot had an ounce of objectivity your contempt for Get Up should at the very least be equalled by your contempt for the IPA.

The IPA are nothing but corporate shills, there is no link between smoking and lung cancer!

Thank you for smoking indeed.

LaRouchite

4 Mar 12 at 2:22 am
LOlDouche , you’re such a fucking moron.

What is the 1st and 2nd preference of an average, lunatic GETitUP supporter?

It would be

1. Greens

2. ALP.

They know full well that despite voting 1 for the leftwing hardline communist party (greenlsime) their second preference, which in most cases is far more important, will go to the Australian Liars Party. So don’t even try and push that shit here as it doesn’t work.

You pinheads calling Get Up a Labor front group or whatever might want to know their target for the most part is the ALP and due to this a lot of Laborites hate Get Up.

Like what, that they’re not left enough? It’s like our never ending disappointment with the Libs not being free market enough to our liking. It doesn’t mean we would be supporting anyone else other than the LDP… and most certainly not the two mud dwelling parties on the left. We attack the Libs from the right in the same way as those disgraceful lunatics at GetitUP attack the Liars Party from the left.

You moron.

You relaise they just tried to embarrass the hell out of the PM by making her do a charity dinner with a gay couple due to her refusal to end marriage discrimination?

Yea, she was red faced for a week over that incident. I could tell she had been crying all morning as a result at an early day press conference.

You un-incisive dickweed, Lol dounche.

Get Up are left-wing sure but they go after both the conservative ALP and the far-right Liberal Party.

They criticize from a lunatic left position, you unemployed Centrelink client. We all know that.

And the far left of the Liars Party certainly has a soft spot for that astroturf operation whose members are basically pensioned off former Canberra public sector workers.

You’re such an idiot. Go away.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 2:23 am
SA Liberal Party still trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory:

“In space, no one can hear Liberals scream”

THE Liberal Party’s video gaffe has spread to Opposition Leader Isobel Redmond.

Ms Redmond confirmed she showed the video to Liberal MPs at last month’s special strategy seminar in Mt Gambier.

The YouTube video initially disowned by Liberal officials in Ms Redmond’s office is now the subject of legal complaint, with State Labor secretary Kyam Maher saying he would refer the issue to the State Electoral Commission to see if it contravened electoral laws.

Several Liberal MPs have told the Sunday Mail Ms Redmond showed MPs the video at their strategy meeting as an example of material being prepared for an ongoing attack on Labor’s economic credentials.

“It was one of two video clips we were shown by Izzy as a creative way to attack Labor’s debt burden,” one of the MPs said. “We assumed it was authorised by the party.

“It was creative and edgy.”

The Sunday Mail understands Liberal Party state director Bev Barber vetoed any official authorisation for the video, which then appeared anonymously on YouTube. Under electoral law, political advertisements must carry the name of the publisher.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/alp-takes-offence-at-big-bang-video/story-e6frea83-1226286671047

LaRouchite

4 Mar 12 at 2:28 am
No whats hilarious Gab, is if you lot had an ounce of objectivity your contempt for Get Up should at the very least be equalled by your contempt for the IPA.

Lol. Yea any right winger that’s for free markets and smaller government ought to hate da IPA as much we/I despise those contemptible low life at GetitUP.
You have one truly messed up brain stem, LolDouche. You’re ability to reason is equal to my pet dog.

The IPA are nothing but corporate shills, there is no link between smoking and lung cancer!

ohhhh da IPA.

Don’t be scared LOLdouche. The only thing they would likely support is getting you off Centrelink payments.

Thank you for smoking indeed.

You’re welcome, lol, you dummy.

Seriously buzz off as you aren’t worth the effort.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 2:29 am
there is no link between smoking and lung cancer!

Whether there is or there isn’t is not the issue. There’s been enough government funded campaigns educating people on the evils of smoking. Fine. But then why should the government that allows cigarettes to be manufactured and sold here spend more taxpayer funds on stupid schemes that actually do not stop people from smoking? Why should the government tell it’s citizens what they can and cannot do in their everyday lives? Are you still a teenager that needs to be told what to do?

Get Up should at the very least be equalled by your contempt for the IPA.

Clearly they’re not. When will getup show us their books? You can find all the financial statements from the IPA on line, but not GetUp. Why is that? And why do you think it’s all fine that GetUp is funded by Big Union and yet you call the IPA a corporate shill?

The only contempt I have is for you and your blatant hypocrisy.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 2:33 am
SA Liberal Party still trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory:

And the reason according to this mega-brain four legged mammal?

Bev Barber vetoed any official authorisation for the video, which then appeared anonymously on YouTube. Under electoral law, political advertisements must carry the name of the publisher.

Yep, the average voter is going to say… Oh look this is horrible. Someone at Lib state head office posted an unauthorized vid on you tube without naming party affiliation, so i can’t possibly vote for them.

Voters will leave the libs in droves over this. In droves.

Go away please Loldouche. You’re not even any good at trolling, you freaking moron.

Here’s deal. I’m prepared to run a bet with you that the libs will win the next election in SA. Man-up dickhead.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 2:36 am
The only contempt I have is for you and your blatant hypocrisy.

He’s the stupidest leftwinger we’ve had here since Sanchez. LOLdouche and Sanchez the pool cleaner were in the neck and neck duel to see which took line honors for being the stupidest. I couldn’t tell them apart.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 2:39 am
You relaise they just tried to embarrass the hell out of the PM by making her do a charity dinner with a gay couple due to her refusal to end marriage discrimination?

1. there’s no such thing as “marriage discrimination”.
2. Gillard will break yet another election promise by pushing through legislation for same-sex marriage. This is a given.
3. Gillard embarrassed? I don’t think so. From all reports she was relaxed and had a convivial evening with the same sex people.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 2:40 am
In fact there ought to be a weekly award for the asshat of the week, for the month and we then tally the monthly to get the stupidest leftwinger for the year culminating in the ASSHAT of the YEAR Award.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 2:41 am
Isn’t Gillard already in the running for that?

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 2:43 am
moderator…

Can you please run a special thread titled, “ASSHAT for the Week”

JC

4 Mar 12 at 2:44 am
No, I don’t think it should be pols, Gab, as she would win it straight away, so early in the year.

It needs to be spread out field of idiots.

This week for instance it would be a tight contest between Barrie Cassidy, Michelle Grattan, Laura Tingles, Tom Dusevic and Lol Douche.

Michelle Grattan would be my choice.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 2:49 am
This ought to be the poster for the Australian Free Press 2012

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 2:49 am
Steve would be my choice for this week. I think he’s the poster child for Lefty Asshats everywhere.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 2:50 am
Ignorant ignoramus at Q&A:

Amanda Vanstone… and was the only female member of the Howard Cabinet following the 1996 election that brought the coalition to power.

No she wasn’t. Jocelyn Newman was a female too.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 3:03 am
I’m not sure I can uncritically support Father Guarnizo’s refusal of communion to the whining lesbian. The woman may have been openly living with her girlfriend but he could not have been sure (I mean 100 percent sure) that she was in a state of mortal sin. To refuse communion to a baptised Catholic who approaches the sanctuary is a heavy thing to do. It is, except in extreme cases of public scandal, an honour system. That it was her mother’s funeral is neither here nor there. Nobody has the right to desecrate the Sacrament just because they want to have a ‘nice’ experience at Church. So that’s irrelevant. As for pitching for his removal, that is of course complete, hysterical nonsense.

Fr Z has blogged this extensively.

Fr Z has argued that Nancy Pelosi should be publicly excommicated and refused the Sacrament because of well known, scandalous and wilfully dishonest heresy.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 3:40 am
Barack Hussein administration:

“We’re trying to make the decision to attack as hard as possible for Israel,” said an administration official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 3:53 am
la Douche, the ABC also only criticizes the ALP from the left.

So fucking what?

Abu Chowdah

4 Mar 12 at 6:14 am
How many ways did Carr screw over NSW?

As much as Flannery is a blow hard Douche, it was Carr who was premier and signed off on this ongoing leech from the finances of NSW:

If we’d built a new dam during the last drought instead, we wouldn’t be wasting millions of dollars worth of fresh water draining out to sea.

The electricity-guzzling desalination plant at Kurnell cost taxpayers $1.8 billion to build and has been pumping out 90 million litres of water every day, at a daily cost of $50,000. That’s the price of 45 hospital beds.

Sydney was meant to have a new dam already. Our far-sighted forebears bought up land for 40 years for the Welcome Reef dam on the Shoalhaven River near Braidwood.

But in 2002 the dam was killed off by none other than Bob Carr, the deep green former NSW premier identified last week as our next foreign minister.

It was a rich irony that – a few hours after Carr’s appointment was announced – the gates of Warragamba Dam were opened and the dam overflowed for the first time in 14 years.

Token

4 Mar 12 at 7:45 am
Bolta has a link to some material used to ~~teach~~ brainwash children in the UK about ~~science~~ doomsday cult of global warming.

Here are some questions and the compulsory answers from that material:

* Who is Professor Tim Flannery? (He is an Australian environmental scientist and an international leader on climate change.)

* What are drinking in swimming pools? (distressed koalas)

Seriously, are koalas still drinking from those swimming pools?

Token

4 Mar 12 at 8:13 am
Koala’s dying of thirst? They don’t ever drink, they get their fluid from gum leaves. And currently they’re drowning. What are they teaching children in the UK? Loony, crazy warmists.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

4 Mar 12 at 8:30 am
Jessica Irvine constructs an argument that only a moron like La Douche can believe

Kevin Rudd retires to the backbenches of Parliament a defeated man once more. But with petrol prices forecast to head skywards again, it’s time to reflect on one of the much ignored achievements of Rudd’s time as prime minister.

It is a little appreciated fact that as leader, Rudd presided over a near halving in petrol prices.

Irvine seriously tries to claim that the petrol prices experienced since 2008 were a result of decisions Rudd made.

Token

4 Mar 12 at 8:32 am
Do koalas drink water?

Koalas rarely drink water. The majority of their water comes from that contained in their food or from dew or rainwater on the surface of leaves (Phillip Island Nature Park 1998).

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~koalas/factsdiet.html
Can’t wait for this to be in the curriculum:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do9AoKyjjQg

kae

4 Mar 12 at 8:35 am
better quality video of koala drinking from a water bottle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XSPx7S4jr4

kae

4 Mar 12 at 8:39 am
Here you go, proof that Koalas a drinking from swimming pools… in 2006.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-411767/Koalas-drink-swimming-pools-battle-survive-Australias-drought.html

So now school curricula is based on newspaper articles and the opinions of highly paid green activist panic merchants.

kae

4 Mar 12 at 8:44 am
Hahaha! That’s funny because it’s racist! Nice one.

Oh, look, the resident wolf-crier has moved on from making false claims regarding p*edophilia to that old lefty mainstay, waaaaaaacism.

Colour me unsurprised.

Oh come on

4 Mar 12 at 9:07 am
La Rouche,
Re Libs in SA snatching defeat from victory. SA seems to have a very peculiar electoral system. Consider this, since 1985 there have been 7 elections in SA. Of those elections the ALP has won a majority of the 2PP vote on 2 occasions, 1985 and 2006 but managed to form government 5 times. In SA in nearly half the elections held since I could vote the government was formed by the party that lost the election. This outcome has only ever favoured the ALP?

Most recently the Libs won 51.6% of the 2PP vote and got 18 seats. The ALP won 48.4% of the 2PP vote but got 26 seats. Despite a tidy win by the liberals they couldn’t even come remotely close to winning a majority of seats.

The last time the ALP won 51.5% of the vote, or slightly less than the Libs got last time, was in 1997 when the ALP won the election 26-21 which seems like a reasonable result.

The worst result was Bannon winning with a 2PP of 48.1% and squeaking home by one seat.

In SA it is always the ALP that manages to salvage election victory despite losing at the ballot box. And speaking of films and images, how is that ALP MP and power broker in SA going with his possession of child pornography charges?

John Comnenus

4 Mar 12 at 9:21 am
Correction he might be an ex ALP MP. Just another to add to the long list of actual ALP criminals and those before the courts still waiting to be judged as criminals. This millenium it is running at 11 ALP criminals, 1 ex ALP independent criminal and 1 Lib. But we have 1 ALP going to court soon, ICAC recommending charges against 3 NSW ALP ex MP, another who’s sleazy relationships were exposed by an inquiry that is just about complete, another in SA who has been charged and who can forget Thommo and former ALP Natnal President Williamson who might find themselves in the dock this year.

All in all a bumper year for lawyers representing the ALP. 2012 might well be remembered as the year most pollies were ever locked up in Australian history. All will be ALP members.

John Comnenus

4 Mar 12 at 9:31 am
Fvcme

Barry Casidy’s ‘interview’ of Craig Emerson has to be one of the more disgraceful political interviews on the ‘serious’ medja, I’ve seen in weeks.

I hope Judith or Sinc write a deconstruction of its awfulness and multiple unchallenged deceptions from the assault economics pov.

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 9:32 am
You relaise they just tried to embarrass the hell out of the PM by making her do a charity dinner with a gay couple due to her refusal to end marriage discrimination?

Gab’s response to this is right. There’s no embarrassment here at all.

It’s all part of the choreographed and scripted transformation of Gillard from benighted subrurban chick who has never met a gay person and doesn’t understand them (and hence homophobic by default) to worldly and liberated champion of gay rights.

This has lots of benefits. It allows Gillard to pretend, for a little while more, she’s a social conservative, while seamlessly moving towards a very socially progressive stance.

It also provides a nice narrative that the love media can discuss and dissect.

daddy dave

4 Mar 12 at 9:35 am
Barry Casidy’s ‘interview’ of Craig Emerson has to be one of the more disgraceful political interviews on the ‘serious’ medja, I’ve seen in weeks.

Still watching Insiders? Give it up. The Glenn Milne sacking was the end of that show’s credibility. They’ve gone downhill since then and the panelists don’t even pretend to be even-handed any more.

daddy dave

4 Mar 12 at 9:41 am
dammit… since that came up, I thought I’d take a peek at Inciters to see what was up. That was a mistake.

After deciding that Abbott’s parental leave scheme was nothing but a “brazen” (their word) attempt to win over women voters they move to the Abbott-Turnbull rivalry, dicussing what a wonderful ideas man Turnbull is.

Nothing has changed it seems. Give me the remote.

daddy dave

4 Mar 12 at 9:54 am
“So the Senate has voted down the effort to undo President Obama’s quite reasonable mandate that all employers have to pay for their employees’ contraception. I was shocked that there was a dispute about this — especially because of “religious objections.” Who knew that was still a thing?

“Even worse, when I dug out a copy of the revered Bill of Rights to show someone how it guarantees everyone a right to contraception, I found no mention of that right!

“In fact, the Bill of Rights doesn’t guarantee anything people need — not food, shelter or even broadband internet. The only things it mentions are a few nebulous rights of absolutely no market value. It’s rather pointless, really.

“Why was the Bill of Rights thought out so poorly? It turns out it was written by these “Founding Fathers” long, long ago, in a much more primitive time. I’m pretty sure their first meeting to draft it was broken up by a woolly mammoth attack.

“So it’s no wonder the Bill of Rights looks like it was written by a crazed, right-wing militia member living in an isolated compound. It’s all “Government can’t tell me to do this” and “Government can’t make me do that” and “I want to have guns.”

“Obviously, we’re much more sophisticated now. We aren’t like the Founding Fathers, with their primitive fear of government and thunder. We need to update this silly, archaic Bill of Rights, which puts all this emphasis on “freedom” with no mention of the much more important “free stuff.” If we don’t act, other countries will make fun of us for it — and who wants to be tittered at by Belgium?”

Frank J. Fleming for President!

NUKE! THE! MOON!

spot

4 Mar 12 at 10:08 am
La Douch:

You pinheads calling Get Up a Labor front group or whatever might want to know their target for the most part is the ALP and due to this a lot of Laborites hate Get Up.

This translates as “this scares me, if you guys get organised like we are at ‘can’t GET it UP’, you might do real damage’.

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 10:20 am
“The horror of an Abbott led government”

SMH

Keep believing the hype guys.. keep believing. It will be your death rattle.

duncan

4 Mar 12 at 10:35 am
Rush Limbaugh Apology:

A Statement from Rush
March 03, 2012

For over 20 years, I have illustrated the absurd with absurdity, three hours a day, five days a week. In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke.

I think it is absolutely absurd that during these very serious political times, we are discussing personal sexual recreational activities before members of Congress. I personally do not agree that American citizens should pay for these social activities. What happened to personal responsibility and accountability? Where do we draw the line? If this is accepted as the norm, what will follow? Will we be debating if taxpayers should pay for new sneakers for all students that are interested in running to keep fit?In my monologue, I posited that it is not our business whatsoever to know what is going on in anyone’s bedroom nor do I think it is a topic that should reach a Presidential level.

My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir. I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices.

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 10:44 am
“The horror of an Abbott led government” — SMH

#SMH meaning #ShakeMyHead in Twitter parlance.

Apt.

spot

4 Mar 12 at 10:46 am
Piers Akerman notes the similarities between Carr and Gillard – mainly that they aree both spinners who have sent the economies they oversaw backwards.

But there is more. Who could forget that Bob Carr won only 47.5% of the vote yet Greiner couldn’t gain a majority. And that was after Greiner forced a redistribution as the ALP would beat him even if he got almost 54.5% of the vote.

Four independents delivered Carr government, a government that would morph into arguably the most corrupt government in Australian history. The independents were: John Hatton, laughably an anti corruption crusader who reinstalled the corrupt people he claimed to be fighting against. He must be impressed with himself ousting the Premier who set up ICAC and introducing the Government that will most likely give us the most convicted MP in Australian history. Then there was the first pollie ever to win on the pink vote to become a professional gay rights campaigner or the gag hag in chief, anti development, big taxing, cyclist enthusiast Clover Moore. Dr Peter MacDonald was an independent from left wing heartland seat representing the down and out in Manly, and of course how could we forget our old mate Tony Windsor. Because people from the Northern Tablelands just love Labor Governments.

Let’s check up on their connections – incompetent government built on spin, corruption goes bananas, economy goes backwards, didn’t win an election but a negotiation that included Tony Windsor. Yep they will get on famously.

John Comnenus

4 Mar 12 at 10:50 am
Very good John Comnenus.

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 10:53 am
Oh, look, the resident wolf-crier has moved on from making false claims regarding p*edophilia to that old lefty mainstay, waaaaaaacism.

No you were the one making those sorts of false claims, which Sinclair had to wipe.

Anyway I guess you think it’s funny that IQ49 refers to Palestinians as “Paleosimians” and calls the President “Preshizzle”.

Colour me unsurprised.

Les Majesty

4 Mar 12 at 11:06 am
JC

Romney is a dickwad and he’s cruel to dogs.

Les Majesty

4 Mar 12 at 11:07 am
Welcome back Les,

I was keen for some light comic relief.

See I was feeling a bit down after reflecting on the Carr – Gillard position and Marx’s observation that history repeats itself first as a tragedy then as a farce. I was thinking about this proposition and Tony Windsor’s role in giving us minority ALP governments. Carr’s government was undoubtedly a tragedy for NSW and Gillard’s a farce.

John Comnenus

4 Mar 12 at 11:18 am
It would be interesting to do a graphic that showed the links in personnel and organisations on the left. I have no idea how it could be done, but if a small group of editors were to incorporate the data into a linkable format, it would be most revealing.
It would also look like spiderweb built by a methed out spider.

Winston Smith

4 Mar 12 at 11:18 am
Winston,

I can do it fairly simply.

Get me the data and I will spit out the networks and links. It would actually be a useful exercise.

John Comnenus

4 Mar 12 at 11:19 am
Yo, Les. Shizzle my dizzle, dawg.

spot

4 Mar 12 at 11:24 am
That’s because it isn’t. It’s a word-play on ‘president’ and ‘fizzle’.

Uh, no, it isn’t. It’s a joke premised on the assumption that Obama speaks ebonics because he happens to be of African ancestry.

It is, by definition, a racial joke.

IQ49, you keep using words in a certain sense and then claiming that the words have completely different meanings.

It’s very post-modern, but I guess you learned that working a desk in the public service.

Les Majesty

4 Mar 12 at 11:28 am
Don’t worry, there’s a new beefed up press council on the way to fight your battles for you and silence all who offend your delicate, effeminate, sensibilities.

When have I ever called for anyone to be silenced? When have I ever said a word in support of any press council?

Les Majesty

4 Mar 12 at 11:28 am
No you were the one making those sorts of false claims

No, that’s a lie and you know it. And it’s dead easy for me to prove it so. Just copy and paste the relevant conversation, and bingo! Les is proven to be a liar again.

Y’know, last time we had this conversation, you quickly pivoted from self-rightous outrage which stemmed from your initial confusion, to “hey chill out maaannn”, whilst begging me to “move on”. You were obviously tired of copping both barrels. Now, bearing your previous humiliation in mind, do you really want to start this up again? Because I’m up for it.

far-right Liberal Party.

Why would anyone pay any attention to someone who spouts this kind of lame hyperbowl?

Oh come on

4 Mar 12 at 11:31 am
49

How’s your paper going? You know, the one that you used as an excuse for running away from any defence of your idiotic strategic theorising?

Come back here, you cowardly desk-jockey, and answer the questions.

Les Majesty

4 Mar 12 at 11:33 am
IQ49, you keep using words in a certain sense and then claiming that the words have completely different meanings.

Funny you should notice that trait in others, because it’s exactly what you did yourself when you decided to ignore the definition of the word “paraphrase”.

Oh come on

4 Mar 12 at 11:33 am
Les, stop beating around the bush and just demand an apology from him. Seeing as though you’re such an authoritative moral arbiter, I’m sure he’ll comply.

Oh come on

4 Mar 12 at 11:35 am
Huh. So Limbaugh apologies.

Yet what’s the bet that CL’s “Poster child for the tactic is a woman who’s seen more seamen than the USS Missouri”, as supported by Gab, will live on without apology?

A blog with participants worse than Limbaugh. Stand proud.

Steve from Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 11:38 am
OCO

You need to stop dwelling on your little incident. Sure, it was embarrassing for you but everyone is willing to move on. In fact most of us have moved on, and don’t understand why you keep bringing it up.

OCO, you need to forgive yourself as the first step towards learning to love yourself. Then, if you learn to love yourself, you will stop lashing out at those around you (e.g. calling them KFs and c___s).

You just need to break out of this vicious cycle.

Les Majesty

4 Mar 12 at 11:39 am
Gab deserves a slap, doesn’t she, Steve?

Oh come on

4 Mar 12 at 11:40 am
A blog with participants worse than Limbaugh. Stand proud.

Steve, you have to remember that this blog is a joke and its participants are just a comedy act.

The anonymous trolls who post here have no influence and no responsibility.

Hence, while all GOP political figures in the US are running as far away from Rush as fast as they can, Gab and the Currency Lad can revel in the smuttiness.

There is no need for them not to be as childish as they want to be, because they have no responsibility and nobody cares what anyone says at the Cat.

Les Majesty

4 Mar 12 at 11:42 am
Les

You’d gain a little cred if you put some focus on what your leftist mates are trying to do to the media here in Oz.

What’s your view? Do you in fact have one?

JC

4 Mar 12 at 11:46 am
Well said, Les.

m0nty

4 Mar 12 at 11:48 am
John, I could have written that much better. What I was proposing was something like a linkable word cloud (and I am NOT techno savvy, – still making mistakes with linking.)
When someone finds another link, they email it to the editor who then checks the data and incorporates it into the cloud.
It would be an ongoing project because the astro turf organisers are continually changing.
I’d be happy to help but would need coaching.

Winston Smith

4 Mar 12 at 11:49 am
nobody cares what anyone says at the Cat.

I think you might find it being read by some pretty high profile people. You mean, no one cares what you say at the Cat.

John Mc

4 Mar 12 at 11:49 am
Fuck off Monster, you poisonous little prick.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 11:49 am
Aww Les and Steve have kissed and made up. Sweet.

Oh come on

4 Mar 12 at 11:49 am
You’d gain a little cred if you put some focus on what your leftist mates are trying to do to the media here in Oz.

What’s your view? Do you in fact have one?

JC, for the record, I am an extremist when it comes to freedom of expression.

I think there is some argument for defamation laws, but I would support the Cat, or anyone else, absolutely in arguing against limitations on freedom of expression.

If you defame someone, you can get sued. Otherwise, it should be 100% open slather.

Les Majesty

4 Mar 12 at 11:51 am
I think you might find it being read by some pretty high profile people

Yes, I am sure some trolls such as Bolt do occasionally glance at it.

But it’s hardly influential.

Les Majesty

4 Mar 12 at 11:52 am
nobody cares what anyone says at the Cat.

Yep, almost 20,000 hits per day now and possibly the most read right wing blog in the country outside of the big media firms.

Nobody reads it and no one cares.

Lol.

Here’s what I reckon. I reckon it causes the leftwing heart rate to go up more than a little.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 11:52 am
I believe that’s your honest opinion Leslie. It would be good to remind us of that though and stick to them.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 11:54 am
If you defame someone, you can get sued. Otherwise, it should be 100% open slather.

I should add that existing laws against inciting violence are appropriate. But I certainly oppose any sort of supervisory board for blogs.

If you aren’t defaming people or inciting violence, you should be unrestricted in your freedom to say stupid shit.

Les Majesty

4 Mar 12 at 11:55 am
Hahahahaha, JC still talks about hits. You and Finkelstein need to update your terminology past the 1990s.

m0nty

4 Mar 12 at 11:55 am
I believe that’s your honest opinion Leslie. It would be good to remind us of that though and stick to them.

Well of course it is. And I revel in my freedom to tell 49 he is a moronic desk-jockeying douche-nozzle.

Les Majesty

4 Mar 12 at 11:56 am
Yet what’s the bet that CL’s “Poster child for the tactic is a woman who’s seen more seamen than the USS Missouri”, as supported by Gab, will live on without apology?

Her nicknbame should be H.M.A.S. Or dumbarse. 144 condoms for $25. Or does she fuck 17280 times a year?

Hahahahaha, JC still talks about hits. You and Finkelstein need to update your terminology past the 1990s.

Give us an alternative metric. Otherwise, it’s a good hit rate.

.

4 Mar 12 at 11:59 am
Les, all I need to do is post the statement you made where you admitted you were wrong. Then contrast it with the following dissembling remark

you will stop lashing out at those around you (e.g. calling them KFs

It’s that easy to expose you as an instinctive liar. You lie like you breath.

And again you beg me to move on.

Oh come on

4 Mar 12 at 12:00 pm
A hit is any file downloaded by the user. That includes not only the Web page, but any images, videos, stylesheets or other files called by the scripts in the HTML code. Loading one page can incur 50 hits or more. It was discounted as a meaningful metric more than a decade ago.

The metric used these days is page impressions, or page views (same thing). For instance, my site got 1,404,737 page views last week.

m0nty

4 Mar 12 at 12:03 pm
Oooh, racistkiddie is back from under his flat rock. He still displays his innate racism, which is standard (why DO you think Obama must speak in ebonics?? That’s an incredibly racist thing to say)

And he’s still lying through his teeth, too:

refers to Palestinians as “Paleosimians”

Hit google, racistkiddie, and find one single solitary case where I have associated those two terms. You won’t find one, because I use the term paleosimian only in association with terrorist groups.

Here, you are showing your support for murdering paleosimian scum like FARC, Al-shabab, Hamas, MILF, Hizb’allah, RAF etc.

You get so het up when people insult terrorists that you can’t really be anything but a covert supporter of their actions.

But you are a leftard, so that’s as ingrained in you as your racism is.

But on one point I do agree with you:

The anonymous trolls who post here have no influence and no responsibility.

As you have stated here that you are proud of your role as a troll!

You just can’t help self-beclownment, can you?

Oh, and the editor was happy indeed. Another $700 my hobby has brought in. It’s not self-funding yet, this little hobby.

So by all means let us resume your public humiliation! You have yet to answer my question as to how you think the RAF destruction of Essen during the Ruhr Campaign of 1943 had no effect on the German war effort.

Go!

You also have to explain why you think logistics has no bearing on how wars are fought at the grand strategic level.

Go!

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 12:04 pm
OCO, he’s begging me to move on too.

Anything other than revisit his past public thrashings. (I think he comes here just for the shiver of delicious pain, maybe he likes being topped all the time?)

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 12:06 pm
The metric used these days is page impressions, or page views (same thing). For instance, my site got 1,404,737 page views last week.

It’s a dogs breakfast of a site. And it’s pretend football, big deal.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 12:10 pm
Look, Mark, if nothing else Les’s stoush with you has forced him to hit the books. It’s clearly been a while and he’s a bit rusty at it, but baby steps…

Oh come on

4 Mar 12 at 12:10 pm
Hit google

Ok, 49 – that’s what I did.

Here’s a google search result for the word “Paleosimian”:

http://www.google.com.au/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=paleosimian&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&ei=j8BST-7fAeWuiQfip6zkCw

It’s obviously a term of racial abuse.

Here, you are showing your support for murdering paleosimian scum like FARC, Al-shabab, Hamas, MILF, Hizb’allah, RAF etc.

You get so het up when people insult terrorists that you can’t really be anything but a covert supporter of their actions.

But you are a leftard, so that’s as ingrained in you as your racism is.

And you are a supporter of NAMBLA, 49. A paid up subscriber, I’m guessing. You dirty perv.

Les Majesty

4 Mar 12 at 12:10 pm
can we please stop the pedo accusations. Enough.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 12:12 pm
Anything other than revisit his past public thrashings

Actually, 49, last time we chatted you ran away to work on some paper rather than defend your inane statements about the use of “airpower”.

Les Majesty

4 Mar 12 at 12:13 pm
I revel in my freedom to tell 49 he is a moronic desk-jockeying douche-nozzle.

Ah, the traditional leftard squeal of pain from racistkiddie.

How enjoyable, how amusing.

Although like every dull-and-boring bog-standard lefty your insults are quite pitiful, racistkiddie. Can’t you inject even a smidgen of originality into your thoroughly softc*cked efforts at insult?

I require that you lift your game, here.

Go!

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 12:13 pm
The Professor in gold medal form:

http://bunyipitude.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/great-seducer.html

Ivan Denisovich

4 Mar 12 at 12:13 pm
Arts graduate and history buff, Bob Carr, has the answer to Labor’s problems.

Says they need to think about Abbott more.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 12:15 pm
Les I’d lay off but you crapped on about PAPE and how Clinton wanted to invade Serbia, but then you admitted later Clinton never wanted to invade, only the Euro partners who wouldn’t do it without Clinton.

Ergo, at least one war has been won with air power alone.

QED

.

4 Mar 12 at 12:17 pm
It took me a little while to find it, but the transcript of Sarah Fluke’s statement to the committee contains absolutely nothing about her sex life.

Nothing.

CL’s and Gab’s slur is cut from whole cloth.

Steve from Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 12:18 pm
“Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. 40% of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially as a result of this policy.
“One told us about how embarrassed and just powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter and learned for the first time that contraception was not covered on her insurance and she had to turn and walk away because she couldn’t afford that prescription. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception.

Welcome to the real world where if you can’t afford it, you get a cheap version at cost co or aldi.

Dumb slut.

I don’t give a fuck WHOM or HOW OFTEN she gets laid.

The fact that I have to subsidise ANYONE’s LIFESTYLE pisses me off.

Any fundies with a gajillion kids collecting welfare are also theiving ****.

[Edited. Sinc]

.

4 Mar 12 at 12:22 pm
Slapper Fluke:

“I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraceptive coverage in its student health plan. And just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously-affiliated hospitals and institutions and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens.”

So “we” students are rooting so much “we” need free contraception, she claims – hilariously.

Save yourself for your future husband and your Pills bill will be nil, dill.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 12:26 pm
Oho, this is funny!

Here’s a google search result for the word “Paleosimian”:

And you found what, someone else – not me – and you ascribe what they say to me.

Quite pitiful.

Now, try again using boolean expressions to see where I have used the term.

here;s a hint: I first used the term (which I incorrectly thought I had coined) to insult the Hamas terrorists in January 2009. Since then, many, many cretinous genetic rejects and flea-ridden lower hominids such as your trollish self have squalled and squealed about it being waaaaaaaycist.

Just like you have.

They all say the same things.

Just like you have.

They all scuttle away afterwards, having found no occasion when I have used it to do anything but insult paleosimian terrorist dirtballs.

Just like you will.

And each of them has quietly been a supporter of these terrorist vermin.

Just like you are.

They reveal themselves in their false umbrage.

Just like you have.

Toddle off now and do your homework, racistkiddie. And don’t forget the other homework I have set you.

Go!

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 12:27 pm
Don’t begrudge a woman who can’t get enough dick. She can’t help it if she’s just gotta have it.

John Mc

4 Mar 12 at 12:27 pm
It took me a little while to find it, but the transcript of Sarah Fluke’s statement to the committee contains absolutely nothing about her sex life.

Nothing.

Here, read your own link, you deadshit.

This is what Georgetown Law School student says:

“Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. 40% of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially as a result of this policy.

Goose.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 12:27 pm
God, I love posting anonymously. It’s so much more fun. Monty is c…!
[A tad gratuitous. Sinc]

John Mc

4 Mar 12 at 12:28 pm
Hey, remember when Les and Steve were terribly upset about broadcaster David Letterman calling for Sarah Palin’s underage daughter to be raped by baseball players?

No, me neither.

What about their outrage at Democrat Party donor Bill Maher calling Palin a “dumb twat” and a cunt?

No, me neither.

Has the party of rapists Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton refused Maher’s $1 million, by the way?

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 12:34 pm
In the immortal words of that great, great househusband, Steve Stepford… Palin was fair game.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 12:40 pm
JC: She does not say she is on contraception at all. She references the cost of it to female students generally by reference to her own income.

As well, even if she had outright said “I am on the pill and it costs me $3000 a year” there is nothing in her statement from which you could know whether she has had one, five hundred, or no boyfriends.

You once again fail comprehension. Lucky you good with numbers.

Steve from Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 12:42 pm
CL, you are the one making a completely unfounded misogynistic slur for which you are failing to apologize.

Don’t bother with your childish hand waves; it does nothing to absolve you.

Steve from Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 12:47 pm
Please, can we lay off the C word?

Winston Smith

4 Mar 12 at 12:49 pm
As always, the well researched and incredibly persuasive Steve of Brisbane is right re contraception saving money for insurers. However it is not the only thing that saves insurers money. Steve has roused me into action to right the following letter to my health insurer.

Dear Mr Bupa,

as you are aware there are significant health benefits from drinking red wine in moderation, which in turn saves the fund money. However, I do not want to drink $7 Pinot from the specials bin, and I think it unreasonable for you to expect that of me. I would like to drink Henschke Pinot at around $60 a bottle. Drinking two bottles a week will cost me around $120 a week or about $500 a month, $1500 a season or about $6000 a year. I am only doing this for my health which saves you money. Can you please reimburse my wine bill.

John Comnenus

4 Mar 12 at 12:50 pm
Steve the Muss, don’t get angry.

You have repeatedly ‘joked’ about assaulting Gab and it always happens when you’re angry.

I think we all know how much you’d like to slap Mrs Santorum around too. You told us she was an awfully slutty woman, deserving of your ire.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 12:51 pm
JC: She does not say she is on contraception at all. She references the cost of it to female students generally by reference to her own income.

She goes to Georgetown law school. She talks about law schoolers spending up to $3,000 bucks a year. She talks about hardship and how it eats away summer savings. She talks about Georgetown not offering condom insurance.

She’s basically talking about her own concupiscence, which as other people have colorfully suggested is inordinately high. Banging 1000′s of men a year is a pretty nut to crack. However, on second thoughts, some years ago while I was living in the US, shock jock Howard Stern had a woman on his program that boasted she performed the world biggest gang bang having sex will 700 men in a day.

So I don’t quite see Fluke’s sexual exploits as beyond the realm of possibility.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 12:51 pm
Write, bloody auto correct

John Comnenus

4 Mar 12 at 12:53 pm
“I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraceptive coverage in its student health plan. And just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously-affiliated hospitals and institutions and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens.”

She didn’t say some students. She said “we” students.

We’re all going broke from sex, she claims!

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 12:53 pm
Please, can we lay off the C word?

Indeed. Cut it out.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 12:55 pm
We’re all going broke from sex, she claims!

Well yea, she would be. Rooting 6 times a day can be expensive if they are different men and precaution needs to be taken.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 12:55 pm
Shouldn’t she also claim for the water bill for washing herself and her bedding. Or doesn’t she wash afterwards?

John Comnenus

4 Mar 12 at 12:57 pm
It’s jolly decent of Steve to go to the mat over hearsay allegations that a monthly twenty-seven minute walk to the nearest Planned Parenthood shop front for a 15 buck pill prescription is too hard for Georgetown girls.
Perhaps he’s hoping for some Facebook friends.

lotocoti

4 Mar 12 at 12:57 pm
JC doubles down on the stupidity. He’s so witty.

Steve from Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 12:59 pm
Gab’s slur is cut from whole cloth.

What slur, Steve? When, where? You lying hound.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 1:00 pm
Yes, yes; it’s obvious; any woman who agrees with the Institute of Medicine’s recommendation that contraception be covered by all health insurance is a complete and utter slut who probably sleeps with 10 men a week.

This is all so clear to me now, it’s a wonder I didn’t understand this before.

Thank you for enlightening me, men (and woman) of Catallaxy,

Steve from Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 1:04 pm
Righto dumbarse Steve,

Her sexual conduct doesn’t offend you? Aren’t you a “conservative” “Catholic”?

You are such a duplicitous, money grubbing leftist twat.

.

4 Mar 12 at 1:05 pm
Gab, honestly, that is too dumb a question to answer.

Steve from Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 1:06 pm
Hey,
Thanks for the compliment Steve. It makes me feel special.

John Comnenus

4 Mar 12 at 1:07 pm
Winston, words lose their shock value when repeated constantly without impact. Parameters are usually set regarding them in any group context anyway, such as this; a sort of reversion to the mean?

It is not words we have to fight with, for and against. It is ideas.

Long live the Cat and its freedoms.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

4 Mar 12 at 1:07 pm
Gab,

As a beta male, Steve is a better woman than you are. The Chamomile shampoo has that effect.

.

4 Mar 12 at 1:07 pm
Dot, it is impossible to know the state of this woman’s sex life, and there is therefore nothing to condemn.

Steve from Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 1:08 pm
Gab, honestly, that is too dumb a question to answer.

What you are saying in your cowardly attack is that you are lying. Again.

You shoot your mouth off and when asked to show where/when my alleged slur took place you run away like the little cur you are.

Pathetic.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 1:08 pm
No Gab, not playing your silly games.

Steve from Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 1:09 pm
You’re a lying dog, Steve. Everyone here knows it.

Put up or shut up you misogynistic bully.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 1:10 pm
Dot, it is impossible to know the state of this woman’s sex life, and there is therefore nothing to condemn.

Yes but I don’t really care. The dumb, thieving bitch wants positional goods (i.e $15 condoms) subsidised by everyone else.

.

4 Mar 12 at 1:10 pm
Nobody likes to play when they’re losing.

wreckage

4 Mar 12 at 1:11 pm
From the Leftist Ezra Klein Wa-Po blog about Floke’s earlier attempt at testimony:

“Congress held a lengthy hearing Thursday morning on the health reform law’s mandated coverage of contraceptives, probing whether the provision violates religious liberties….

The Democrats did, however, invite one woman to speak: Sandra Fluke, a third-year student at Georgetown Law and past president of the school’s Students for Reproductive Justice group….

Fluke came to Georgetown University interested in contraceptive coverage: She researched the Jesuit college’s health plans for students before enrolling, and found that birth control was not included. “I decided I was absolutely not willing to compromise the quality of my education in exchange for my health care,” says Fluke, who has spent the past three years lobbying the administration to change its policy on the issue……

Fluke stayed for the first few moments of the hearing, long enough to hear a representative of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops speak, before walking out in protest with the Democratic women who sit on the committee.”

I particularly liked this drivel from her actual testimony:

“A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.
“Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt’s amendment, Sen. Rubio’s bill or Rep. Fortenberry’s bill there’s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.”

Geddit?

Her “friend” gets the pill from her Georgetown insurance even tho’ there is no mandate but if there was a mandate with exceptions she’s outraged that there would be no requirement that her georgetowen insutrance would provide the pill”.

She wansts all fellow users of Georgetown Uni to pay for her $3000 pill bill that she can get for free from Planned Parenthood anyway.

She’s demading her fellow students and employees of Georgetown to foot her contraceptive tab.

She’s a leftist activist. It has nothing to do with contraception.

Exactly as Limbaugh said.

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 1:14 pm
Yes JamesK, what you’ve just posted proves beyond reasonable doubt that she’s a slut who has slept around with probably hundreds of men, as Gab says via her endorsement of CL hilarious semen on a battleship pun.

Steve from Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 1:19 pm
When you make an accusation at least have the genital fortitude to back it up, Steve.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 1:20 pm
Dot, it is impossible to know the state of this woman’s sex life, and there is therefore nothing to condemn.

Apparently she says it costs $3000.

We know that.

And since when did not knowing about an individual woman’s sex life prevent sleazy steve from commenting – indeed in gratuitously wallowing in innuendo and filth?

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 1:20 pm
yeah, I agree. I do my best to avoid four letter words and use * when I do use them. C-word and peddoclaims are really too much. There’s just no need.

I like and admire robust debate, but I also appreciate good quality insults. Which is better:

“Lez is a ****” Nope. Schoolyard stuff.

“the dear little racistkiddie reminds me of what Uruguayans say about Argentinians ‘you could get very rich if you could buy an Argentinian for what he is really worth and sell him for what he thinks he’s worth’ ”

A decent insult has to be thought through.

Yes, I know the above insult will be completely wasted on Lez our pet racistkiddie, as the fleas that infest his pelt have more intellectual capital than he does.

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 1:22 pm
Yes JamesK, what you’ve just posted proves beyond reasonable doubt that she’s a slut who has slept around with probably hundreds of men,

I know it’s the only argument you can ever muster sleazy steve but give that poor strawman of yours a break.

Some scatttered chaff is all that remains.

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 1:24 pm
More proof (in case any was needed) that the whole Sarah Fluke thing was a setup, using a long-time left wing activist-turtle.

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 1:36 pm
Gab, lift your game will you? The “I have no idea what you’re talking about” routine is old.

I invite the audience to tell me: do you really believe Gab can’t understand how and from where in this thread I say she endorsed CL’s slur?

Steve from Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 1:36 pm
Tell us again, Steve, how you think semen has a philosophical purpose. You went on and on about it for over a week.

For some unknown to us reason, you seem to dwell on subjects about semen, penis and slurs against Mrs Santorum and her sex life in her youth, to the point of ad nauseam for us. Not sure what kicks you get out of it, Steve. And I don’t want to know because, sure as night follows day, it would be icky.

You’re a grubby little boy, Steve, incapable of higher reasoning.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 1:36 pm
Gab, lift your game will you? The “I have no idea what you’re talking about” routine is old.

I invite the audience to tell me: do you really believe Gab can’t understand how and from where in this thread I say she endorsed CL’s slur?

Why are you canvassing other people, Steve? You made the accusation, now provide the evidence. Or just apologise.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 1:38 pm
No one likes you stepford.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 1:39 pm
I invite the audience to tell me: do you really believe Gab can’t understand how and from where in this thread I say she endorsed CL’s slur?

It’s good to see steve being a gentleman for a change and defending a woman’s honour.

A single woman university student who says she needs $3000 of other people’s mpney to fund her sex-life.

But still.

It’s not so good to see him denigrating the woman he usually denigrates on this blog to do it.

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 1:47 pm
That was as clear as mud….

Steve from Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 1:50 pm
Seriously Step. no one really likes you.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 1:51 pm
Mk 50,

It was ragingly obvious it was a set up.

No one in their right mind believes that “contraception is making us poor” horseshit.

If she wants to wear a crown of thorns, I’ll bloody crucify her.

No doubt she will be given a sinecure in a State Senate.

Cue any number of The Wire quotes ala Clay Davis or Carchetti.

This shit is far worse than Anita Hill. It is orchestrated from the top.

.

4 Mar 12 at 1:57 pm
Well, Dot, one could argue that (irrespective of sex) one you become a left-wing activist you have already prostituted yourself in all respects to all and sundry.

So that would merely mean that dear Sarah is merely acting according to her ‘principles’ in boinking a theoretical maximum of 13 guys a day!

(Boom-tish)

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 2:01 pm
….according to her ‘principles’ in boinking a theoretical maximum of 13 guys a day!

13 a day? Wow!

JC

4 Mar 12 at 2:03 pm
JC, your ‘wow’ caused me to google for ‘world record’.

To my utter astonishment, there is such a thing! I have to admit my idle curiosity did not take me beyond the search results page though. Some female called ‘Houston’ apparently serviced 620 men in one day (!) also apparently with judges there to make sure it was all legit. For a certain value of legit, I guess.

it’s the grossest thing I’ve seen in a long while. Steve’ll be all over it in a flash.

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 2:11 pm
She’s a woman seeking others fund her sex life to the tune $3000.

There’s a word for that.

She did in sworn testimony to the world.

Presumably for some pseudo/leftist idea of self-esteem/entitlement at the price of a perfectly inate, dare-I-say, God-given natural self-esteem.

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 2:11 pm
Seems rather sexist to demand free contraceptives becuase you are a female. What about “free”* condoms for men supplied by insurance? Why isn’t Sandra demanding that also? Where’s the equality?

* nothing is free. Somebody always has to pay.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 2:12 pm
Are vasectomies “free” on medical insurance? If not, why not?

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 2:14 pm
Thirteen a day? She’ll wear that thing out.

kae

4 Mar 12 at 2:16 pm
Some female called ‘Houston’ apparently serviced 620 men in one day (!) also apparently with judges there to make sure it was all legit. For a certain value of legit, I guess.

Oh Yea, there’s history there too. Again the Howard Stern show featured her.

He had contest going for a Staten Island kid that would take a pornstar to the Senior prom and he ended up taking “Houston”.

Another appearance in 1999 prompted an 18-year-old Staten Island, New York high school student to call in and enlist the disc jockey’s help in taking Houston to his senior prom. Houston cheerfully complied, accompanying the student to his June prom, despite some discouragement from a few parents and school administrators who believed Houston’s presence would be distracting. The prom date initiated a relationship between Houston and the student, eventually having the teenager move to California and accompany Houston. In subsequent interviews, the two discussed their relationship and amicable parting.

That would be like going to heaven for a high school kid taking a pornstar to the senior prom.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 2:21 pm
Are vasectomies “free” on medical insurance? If not, why not?

Interestingly a couple of Dem staae legislators have a few ideas on just that Gab:

Georgia Democratic Female Representative Proposes Vasectomy Bill (to ban the insurance)

MO Rep. Stacey Newman Proposes Bill to Restrict Vasectomies

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 2:23 pm
Thirteen a day? She’ll wear that thing out.

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 2:25 pm
The Institute of Medicine backs legalised medical marijuana.

Activists to Protest Obama’s Medical Marijuana Crackdown Thursday In 6 States.

Steve, why is Obama ignoring the Institute of Medicine? Why has he not legislated to force insurers to pay for pot?

Answer: because there’s no anti-Catholic angle.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 2:25 pm
No more vasectomies that leave “thousands of children … deprived of birth.”

LOL

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 2:27 pm
CL’s slur

It’s not a slur. She testified under oath that she’s going broke from rooting.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 2:28 pm
Yes, yes; it’s obvious; any ~~woman~~ politician who disagrees with the Institute of Medicine’s recommendation that ~~contraception~~ medical marijuana be ~~covered by all health insurance~~ legal under State and Federal law is a complete and utter ~~slut~~ moron who probably ~~sleeps~~ orders ~~with~~ 10 ~~men~~ raids on innocent victims of the drug war a week.

Better

.

4 Mar 12 at 2:32 pm
Greetings all – it has finally ceased flannerising here in the nation’s crapital and the house hasn’t been inundated or floated away, despite the flooding in the backyard…

Now for some sun.

If anyone needs any water, please feel free to head over here and avail yourself of some free megalitres…

So, still arguing about fluke the slute, eh?

That eebil Limbaugh…

Rabz

4 Mar 12 at 2:33 pm
Steve, why is Obama ignoring the Institute of Medicine? Why has he not legislated to force insurers to pay for pot?

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 2:34 pm
If Obama is that dead keen to curtail the population then why not just subsidise the contraceptive pill and condoms and vasectomies?

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 2:37 pm
Steve, why is Obama ignoring the Institute of Medicine? Why has he not legislated to force insurers to pay for pot?

Leftists are all for medical marijuana.

I don’t hear anything about ‘medical frangers’ or ‘clinical condoms’.

What’s with the Dem/leftist populated ‘Institute of Medicine’?

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 2:41 pm
Steve’s political correctness is sickening.

She’s not a slut, she’s just…very sexually active!

Steve is advised never to use the term “Asian” again but refer specifically to ethnicity, ditto for “Black” i.e Ernie Dingo is not “black, but an “indigenous Australian person”. You must not refer to the “Japs” but the Wajin and the Ainu. No “Chinamen” but Han, Zhuang, Hui etc.

You wanker Steve. I cannot believe you are trying to frame the debate like this and “win” through guilt.

What year is this, 1990?

At the end of the day, this woman is a DNC plant who wants everyone to subsidise the lifestyle of a very stupid few, and land a sinecure in a State Senate for Odumbo’s grand plan to nationalise private health insurance run by religious institutions.

.

4 Mar 12 at 2:41 pm
The argument is not about Obama.

It’s about misogyny and Catallaxy threads.

And as for logic, it would be the same as my claiming that Gary Johnson, libertarian ex medical marijuana user, is obviously a bonghead who does 20 cones a day and that’s why he supports it.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 2:42 pm
What about:

The argument is not about women’s rights and not about contraception.

It is about humiliating the Catholic Church and increasing the power of a central government over 330 million freeborn citizens and bending the Pope’s will to the Supreme Leader Sultan Barry.

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 2:47 pm
The argument is not about Obama.

At the end of the day, this woman is a DNC plant…

It’s about misogyny and Catallaxy threads.

I don’t give a fuck WHOM or HOW OFTEN she gets laid.

The fact that I have to subsidise ANYONE’s LIFESTYLE pisses me off.

Steve. Stop lying.

.

4 Mar 12 at 2:47 pm
is obviously a bonghead who does 20 cones a day and that’s why he supports it.

He may, although I doubt it. But in any event he’s not asking the government to fund he’s theoretical habit like tomboy Fluke who seems to have a manly appetite for sex.

Step, she’s doing 13 men a day… Including. Weekends.

Jc

4 Mar 12 at 2:49 pm
James it’s also about the government telling private businesses which products to provide and for “free”.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 2:50 pm
dot: follow your own logic, can you? If you don’t care (and more importantly – you don’t know) how many people she sleeps with, then stop calling her a slut.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 2:50 pm
~~telling~~…forcing.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 2:51 pm
And step imagine if the condoms were free as a result of government subsidy.

She’d fuck country. Literally! The US would g broke financing her man habit.

Jc

4 Mar 12 at 2:51 pm
The WaPo left now criticising hate Republicans for having hate children…

Between them, Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum have as many children–12–as the tribes of Israel. Ron Paul has five of his own, and in an early debate, perhaps unwilling to be outdone by Michele Bachmann’s fostering of dozens, Paul boasted that when he worked as a physician he delivered “4,000 babies.”

There’s nothing wrong with big families, of course. But the smug fecundity of the Republican field this primary season has me worried. Their family photos, with members of their respective broods spilling out to the margins, seem to convey a subliminal message that goes far beyond a father’s pride in being able to field his own basketball team. What the Republican front-runners seem to be saying is this: We are like the biblical patriarchs. As conservative religious believers, we take seriously the biblical injunction to be fruitful and multiply.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 2:54 pm
dot: follow your own logic, can you? If you don’t care (and more importantly – you don’t know) how many people she sleeps with, then stop calling her a slut.

I find her thievery more immoral than simple name calling, I swill stop when she stops being such a thief.

If I assume she’s honest, she’s a slut and a walking depository of STIs.

By defending her, you’ve admitted this is entirely about Obama.

Steve you idiot – I will never be told what to do by a penis obsessed house husband.

.

4 Mar 12 at 2:56 pm
So despite the fact that Fluke has declared to the world under oath that she wants others to fund her sex life free of fears of conception to the tune of $3000, dot is wrong to describe her as a slut?

Why exactly steve?

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 2:58 pm
If I assume she’s honest, she’s a slut and a walking depository of STIs.

You’re a nut.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 2:58 pm
El Rushbo on The Party That Cares About Women.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 3:00 pm
Obama calls Ted Kennedy ‘greatest U.S. senator of our time’.

As they say in the classics, Mary-Jo Kopechne couldn’t be reached for comment.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 3:01 pm
While Obama is on his knees to Islamists, the US Military – that almighty force of men and women fighting Islamists in Afghanistan – is now also on bended knee, head bowed, as they hang their own troops in the name of Allah.

Five US Troops to Face ‘Reprimand’ Over Koran Burnings

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 3:02 pm
As has been discussed, JamesK, it is doubtful that “others” will pay anything at all.

The mandate has been in place for years in (if I recall correctly) 28 states.

Was every politician and advocate who supported the relevant legislation a “slut”?

According to your perverse standards, I guess the answer is yes. At least if they were a woman.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 3:03 pm
Catholic Steve, what do you call a person who goes through a theoretical maximum of 17280 condoms a year?

Either they are a huge slut or incredibly stupid.

How can she have that much sex? There virtually isn’t enough waking hours for it. It equates to getting over 47 guys off every day. She’s gotta sleep about 7 hours day, remember, and go to law school and eat and so on etc.

Slut is appropriate because she can get the pill from planned parenthood if she is in a committed relationship virtually for free.

Of course – this entire debate is bullshit and she is a DNC plant. She’s not a slut but a Catholic hating advocate of socialism.

.

4 Mar 12 at 3:03 pm
Sen. Harry Reid says Kennedy’s “mighty roar may now fall silent, but his dream shall never die.”

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 3:04 pm
Bligh’s surname put on a rowing boat with a quadrant and a compass…

FIRST the logo went missing, now the Premier’s surname has fallen off Labor advertisements.

Brochures letterbox-dropped across Queensland this week refer only to “Anna”, suggesting her name has gone to mud along with Labor’s brand.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 3:06 pm
Steve. You make up stories about other peoples sex lives when they don’t agree with you. Why are you so obsessed with whether or not others call Fluke a slut? Aren’t you the biggest hypocrite of all?

Tiny Dancer

4 Mar 12 at 3:07 pm
The mandate has been in place for years in (if I recall correctly) 28 states.

This is totally untrue as the states have all accommodated for religious issues.

the fact that you continually bring this up shows what a lying lunatic you are.

Was every politician and advocate who supported the relevant legislation a “slut”?

The state man-dates have nothing to do with Odumbo care

According to your perverse standards, I guess the answer is yes. At least if they were a woman.

Fluke is doing around a dozen men a day. She doesn’t need contraception. She needs counseling.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 3:07 pm
she is a DNC plant

No she’s not. she’s a law student.

According to a bio on Georgetown’s website, Fluke’s professional background is in domestic violence and human trafficking advocacy. At Georgetown law, she is the former president of Law Students for Reproductive Justice, an editor for the Journal of Gender and the Law, and vice president of the Women’s Legal Alliance. She has a bachelor’s degree in Feminist, Gender & Sexuality studies from Cornell.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 3:09 pm
Steve. You make up stories about other peoples sex lives when they don’t agree with you. Why are you so obsessed with whether or not others call Fluke a slut? Aren’t you the biggest hypocrite of all?

You are “fair game”, Steve.

.

4 Mar 12 at 3:11 pm
When Ted Kennedy had a seizure in 2008, CL wrote at his blog:

All the best to the American liberal legend.

Fast forward to 2012, and in defence of Breitbart calling Kennedy (shortly after his death) a “special pile of human excrement” CL generously offers:

Ted Kennedy was a rapist and a manslaughterer.

And of course, is now doing likewise because Obama is praising him.

As with John F Kennedy, CL adjusts his message to suit his audience and is far from consistent.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 3:12 pm
You make up stories about other peoples sex lives when they don’t agree with you.

Completely untrue.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 3:14 pm
Steve,

You said you had it on good authority that you knew that Abbot had been unfaithful and his marriage break up was imminent.

You are now “fair game”.

.

4 Mar 12 at 3:17 pm
As has been discussed, JamesK, it is doubtful that “others” will pay anything at all.

The mandate has been in place for years in (if I recall correctly) 28 states.

Please desist with your repetitive lies steve.

If an an insurance company offers contraception and a customer buys that insurance freely there is no difficulty.

If a state governmment mandates that policy that forces people who need insurance to fund others sex life then that is not illegal but unethical.

If the Federal government mandates it then that may be unconstitutional in its own right.

However if it forces religious institutions to fund it against their religious teaching then it definitely is unconstitutional.

Ur so fcn inane steve that even Chris matthews wouldn’t accept ur utter lying drivel:

During a segment on MSNBC’s “Hardball,” reporter John Heilemann responded to one question by saying that 28 states in the country already have the mandate. Seems like a slam dunk for the president. But it’s not, and Matthews caught it:

“It’s not the law of the land,” Matthews snapped when Heilemann brought up the argument. “The law, those requirements are not the same as this. I’ve gone through this. That’s what the White House is putting out. Get that established independently of the White House. Just do that, because there’s co-pays involved and it’s different.”

National Catholic Reporter:

“Currently, 28 states have laws requiring contraceptive coverage as part of health plans. According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, 20 of those states offer some type of exemption, a list including Arizona, New York, Maryland, Missouri and California.

Whether exemptions exist or not, Catholic groups in all 28 states can avoid the contraceptive mandate in one of three ways, says the U.S. bishops’ conference. These include self-insuring prescription drug coverage, dropping that coverage completely or opting into a federal law that preempts any state mandates. Critics say the narrowness of the recent federal ruling would block religious groups from taking any of these avenues.”

Please stop your daily lying on this blog steve and if you can’t then fvck off.

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 3:18 pm
Just at the nic of time, John Edwards shows up to remind everyone he’s most likely is going to jail on fraud charges over attempting to hide a sex tape

Superior Court Judge Carl R. Fox offered Edwards the ability to request that destruction of any of Hunter’s property, except the sex tape, be delayed.

Edwards has pleaded not guilty to federal charges of using campaign money to cover up his affair with Hunter during his unsuccessful 2008 presidential candidacy. In documents filed Friday, Edwards’ attorneys wrote that they will “consult with the government regarding the appropriate method,” and reserved the right to request that some items be turned over to their team.

His trial begins in April and is expected to last about six weeks.

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/10807335/

JC

4 Mar 12 at 3:19 pm
JC: the argument being put forward by dot and JamesK is general – that no one should expect that “others” pay for their contraception.

The state laws, in place for years, even if they allow religious exemptions, presumably all offend dot and JamesK for this very reason.

If Fluke is a slut for supporting the mandate, then I don’t see why they wouldn’t have the same criticism of every other woman politician who has supported the state mandates. It would make just as much sense – that is, none.

You’re attempts at humour about Fluke are childish and not working, by the way.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 3:19 pm
Steve – hypocrite and liar. Stupid and dishonest.

tiny dancer

4 Mar 12 at 3:20 pm
Bask in the warm glow of the arrogant NBN Co:

Mr Abbott was responding to revelations that only 4000 households nationwide had been connected to the network so far, with just 2315 premises of that number using the NBN’s fibre optic cables for communications – numbers which were grossly down on NBN Co’s earlier projection of 35,000 connections for 2011.

But the government-owned company has hit back at criticisms of the connection figures, with an NBN Co spokesman telling The Age yesterday arguments about low sign-up numbers were ”academic” and the company was not ”fazed” by Mr Abbott’s comments.

And why are the numbers “academic”?

”When the old copper wires are decommissioned, every home and business in the country will receive phone and internet services over the NBN,” the spokesman said.

Or in other words:

Everyone’s going to goddamned well use it whether they like it or not because we’re going to tear the competition out of the ground.

Fancy that, Labor’s creating another belligerent, arrogant telecommunication monopoly.

Didn’t see that coming.

http://m.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/36bn-nbn-a-monumental-ripoff-20120103-1pjl4.html

twostix

4 Mar 12 at 3:21 pm
I feel for Edwards, like the Clinton thing, some questions are best unasked. Discretion is the better part of valour.

BUT…attempting to pervert the course of justice is a serious crime. Clinton should never have of been asked. Edwards is in a Marcus Enfield style fail.

.

4 Mar 12 at 3:22 pm
twostix – those internet connections cost hundreds of thousands if not millions each. What a disgrace.

.

4 Mar 12 at 3:24 pm
JC: the argument being put forward by dot and JamesK is general – that no one should expect that “others” pay for their contraception.

Fucme

Steve’s lying again.

If the insurance purchased freely offers contraception then nobody here objects.

If a single woman wants the Federal government to mandate all people who buy health insurance to fund her sex life then she’s left herself open to any number of adjectives.

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 3:24 pm
James, pity Steve doesn’t have the capacity to understand the content of your post. Pity because he’ll just ignore it and continue to publicly humiliate himself.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 3:25 pm
…she is the former president of Law Students for Reproductive Justice, an editor for the Journal of Gender and the Law, and vice president of the Women’s Legal Alliance. She has a bachelor’s degree in Feminist, Gender & Sexuality studies from Cornell.

LOL.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 3:25 pm
JC: the argument being put forward by dot and JamesK is general – that no one should expect that “others” pay for their contraception.

And also specific. They don’t appear to support the idea of funding a sexaholic’s addiction with man-dates and taxpayer largesse.

The state laws, in place for years, even if they allow religious exemptions, presumably all offend dot and JamesK for this very reason.

I’m sure all man-dates would offend James and Dot, just as they offend me. However Odumbo’s attempts are a little more than that. He is attempting to force a religious institution to bend to his will. Won’t happen.

If Fluke is a slut for supporting the mandate, then I don’t see why they wouldn’t have the same criticism of every other woman politician who has supported the state mandates. It would make just as much sense – that is, none.

She reckons she need 3000 buck a year for contraception and can’t afford it. The easiest thing for her to do is stop banging so many men.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 3:25 pm
Dot;

The charge isn’t about the sex. Edwards used public money in an attempt to hide the allegation. That’s what they are going after him.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 3:27 pm
Or start charging them $5 each….

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 3:28 pm
Hey, where’s racistkiddie gone?

Off doing his homework I hope…. naaah. He’ll never do that. he’s in existential terror of perhaps learning something.

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 3:30 pm
Great gotcha, Steve.

I didn’t want Kennedy to die after he had a stroke.

I’m not like you, Mr Airline Disaster.

Who’s this?

The Democrat Party doesn’t allow anti-abortion candidates to run for national office. It has been that way since Ted Kennedy repudiated his own pro-life letter of 1971 to ensure he had a future in the new, left-wing party his brothers wouldn’t have recognised. No, the “Lion of the Senate” didn’t raise a meow against Roe vs Wade or the destruction of his party and therefore passed up his one chance for greatness.

Oh, that’s right. Me.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 3:30 pm
Fluke is a liar. She has no need for condoms, at 3k per annum or less.

Abu Chowdah

4 Mar 12 at 3:30 pm
Steve is actually more egregiously wanton than the ‘Lying Slapper’in the deceit department.

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 3:33 pm
She has no need for condoms, at 3k per annum or less.

Her resume does sound a smidgen lesbian.

I feel for Edwards, like the Clinton thing, some questions are best unasked.

He has been indicted for robbery, Dot.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 3:36 pm
I’ve seen a photo of this Fluke person, CL. My unerring radar has identified her as one who worships at the Sapphic altar.

Abu Chowdah

4 Mar 12 at 3:38 pm
You said you had it on good authority that you knew that Abbot had been unfaithful and his marriage break up was imminent.

Untrue.

How many scores of times must we go over this?

Said I had heard a rumour from a source who I considered reliable and to have good reason to know about it, and that I thought if it was widely known (and true) would hurt him in public opinion. Under much questioning, I said it was to do with his heterosexuality.

That was it. You have created the other detail in your mind.

I made the comment once, and have never sought to raise it again. I have, many times, pointed out that it is hardly groundbreaking that people hear rumours about politicians, including Abbott.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 3:39 pm
Why is a “student” demanding Georgetown cover her sexual activity costs when Obama’s policy pertains to employer-provided health plans? Georgetown already covers contraception in its employee plans.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 3:39 pm
As with John F Kennedy, CL adjusts his message to suit his audience and is far from consistent.

No, I’m always perfectly consistent.

Kennedy deserves credit for his war service, his stoicism in the face of physical pain, his hatred of communism and his loyalty to Senator McCarthy.

On everything else, he was an appalling failure, including his well documented hatred of women.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 3:40 pm
Georgetown already covers contraception in its employee plans.

It’s a Jesuit institution Gab and it’s health insurance plans don’t cover contraception.

The pill is covered by the Georgeown insurers if used for the treatment of an actual disease eg Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome rather than contraception per se.

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 3:43 pm
Steve. Who was loudest about Santorum’s wife’s sexual history? You were you creep. You even wrote about it on that shitful blog you maintain.

tiny dancer

4 Mar 12 at 3:52 pm
Thanks, James. “Actual disease” being the operative.

So Fluke’s hearsay “testimony” was just as we’ve said all along: a call to provide free contraceptives to service her wants.

———————————

Paging Twostix

If you hop over to Bunyip’s, now would be an excellent time to post your sleuthing results, if you haven’t already done so.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 3:54 pm
Did I call Mrs S a slut? No.

Did I argue that young liberals may be somewhat cynical of her staunch conservatism about sex outside of marriage in light of her having lived in a de facto relationship for much of her 20′s? Yes.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 4:00 pm
Keep tap dancing, Stev-o.

Abu Chowdah

4 Mar 12 at 4:01 pm
stevee and his mates “somewhat cynical” or gleefully and repugnant as a normally only an inane juvenile can be?

I think we know the truth.

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 4:05 pm
Does everyone here realise just how much of the Catallaxy blog that SoB takes up?
How about you all decide he is a troll, and a fairly sick one at that, and stop acknowledging his presence? Send him to Coventry, so to speak.
But no. there is this constant focus on Steve who HAS to be the center of attention.
He derails threads, and lies on a continual basis.
He’s making you lot of mugs dance to his tune.

Winston Smith

4 Mar 12 at 4:09 pm
Fair point, Winston.
We should give up commenting to Steve for Lent.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 4:11 pm
Also, while we spend time reading and responding to his his screed, accusations and threats, there’s an opportunity cost involved. Attention drawn away from more serious and worthwhile issues to read, consider and comment upon.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 4:16 pm
Being a persistent critic of false, unfounded and offensive claims, especially when backed by links supporting one’s argument, does not make one a troll.

You consider Fluke to be a “slut” Winston?

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 4:18 pm
Steve, give it a rest. Just go away.

I don’t care about your silly argumen about who said what first.

Piss off.

kae

4 Mar 12 at 4:21 pm
Steve, you are a troll. You keep hijacking threads.

kae

4 Mar 12 at 4:22 pm
Yes, I am probably diverting the blog from something important, kae, like identifying more “sluts” from out of thin air.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 4:30 pm
Laura Freed:

Sandra Fluke is a law “stud”ent at Georgetown U who claims that she can’t afford birth control and feels that America owes her free birth control pills so she can have sex. She testified in front of Congress that she had to spend 3,000 dollars in 3 years in order to buy birth control and that she just can’t afford it (sob). Estimates using the price of the pill (from 5-50.00 depending on where you buy it- and if you’re REALLY broke, you can get it for free at Planned Parenthood) and condoms – shows that, by spending 1,000 a year on Birth Control, Sandra must be having sex 5 times a day (you GO girl!). Rush Limbaugh picked up on the story and said that if our Govt PAYS people to have sex, then, by all accounts, Sandra would be a prostitute, (someone paid to have sex). In an economy where gas is almost 4 bucks, almost HALF of Americans are on Food Stamps, business are shutting down left and right – the Left want you switch the focus to law students having sex and boohoo…they can’t afford birth control?? What the fuck is happening to this country???? Hello, people, I think no matter what your political beliefs, our tax $$ could be spent on people who truly deserves it…like soldiers, firemen, police, children…WAKE UP AMERICA!!! JUST SAY NO TO BIG BROTHER GOVERNMENT!!!!

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 4:35 pm
Mitt Romney’s Advice For ObamaCare: Look At RomneyCare

“The former Massachusetts Governor says his plan was done on a state level, where the central theme to both plans, the individual mandate, was a actually a conservative approach.

But in a July 2009 op-ed in USA Today Romney thought the President could learn a thing or two from the plan he signed into law in Massachusetts, including using the individual mandate as an incentive for people to buy insurance.”

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 4:39 pm
LOL

“Difference between conservatives and democrats: when conservatives say ‘drill, baby, drill’ they’re talking about oil”

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 4:42 pm
Gab: honestly, you are demonstrating how dumb the Right in the US has become. She ends up arguing that it is about tax dollars being used to fund contraception.

This is just plain wrong. And dumb.

Congratulations on finding another woman stupid enough to follow Rush Limbaugh’s completely made up calculation as to a woman’s sex life, anyway. Must be a comfort.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 4:42 pm
She ends up arguing that it is about tax dollars being used to fund contraception.

Steve stop being a perennial lying prick and stop being roffensive to Gab you pig ugly misogynist pest.

Fluke’s whole case revolved around the expense

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 4:53 pm
around the expense

and the Obama mandate she is supporting has nothing to do with tax dollars being used to fund “the expense”.

This is undeniable.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 4:57 pm
the Obama mandate she is supporting has nothing to do with tax dollars being used to fund “the expense”.

This is undeniable.

Stop being a dick steve.

Everyone who has health insurance ie everybody who has a job and pays taxes will be paying higher premiums with no choice in the matter because of gexecutive fiat.

Like the carbon tax here you lying decietful jerk.

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 5:01 pm
Um, people paying a small increase in health insurance (if indeed there is any increase at all) is not funding contraception with “tax dollars”.

Be a man and just admit that this is true, instead of letting other people complain about me trolling because people like you attempt to defend the indefensible.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 5:05 pm
Mandates are not taxes, so it’s okay..lol

Jc

4 Mar 12 at 5:07 pm
No one likes you, stepford.

Jc

4 Mar 12 at 5:09 pm
Sleazey Slutes!

Contraception!

Ejaculation!

Abortion!

obama!

Conservative catholicism!

FFS, give it a rest!

Rabz

4 Mar 12 at 5:09 pm
people paying a small increase in health insurance (if indeed there is any increase at all) is not funding contraception with “tax dollars”.

So using productive peoples money via their private health care is ok if you want to get laid?

Carpe Jugulum

4 Mar 12 at 5:13 pm
Just ignore the bugger FFS. Bloody hell, the instant I see his dumb avatar I know it’s a comment to skip.

Ye want a serious topic?

The best ways to organise active campaigns against losing our bloody freedom of speech might be a decent effing topic!

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 5:22 pm
We should give up commenting to Steve for Lent.

I agree. Lent can rollover to say, Ramadan and before we know it, we’re loving the ‘sounds of silence’.

nic

4 Mar 12 at 5:32 pm
People are always talking about ignoring me, but rarely can. It has something to do with the validity of the arguments, is my theory.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 5:37 pm
Yet more specious and facilely inane reasoning from steve.

Fvck off steve you loathsome t0sser.

JamesK

4 Mar 12 at 5:38 pm
Stepford

No one really likes you here.

Jc

4 Mar 12 at 5:40 pm
Maybe there’s a Breitbart in Tehran.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 5:50 pm
You’re being a bore, JC.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 5:55 pm
The best ways to organise active campaigns…

You’ll need bad optics on the six o’clock news to shift these despicable people.

If our ~~fascist~~ progressive friends ever get it up, it’ll be Cloward–Piven time.

lotocoti

4 Mar 12 at 5:59 pm
Yes, I am probably diverting the blog from something important, kae, like identifying more “sluts” from out of thin air.

Like Mrs Santorum!

Steve, you ignored my question.

Do you think Obama should hand back Bill Maher’s $1 million donation in view of his description of Sarah Palin as a “stupid twat” and a “cunt”?

Yes or no?

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 6:04 pm
Sisters are doing it for themselves.

A lot’s been written in recent months about the October, 2011 GALLUP poll, which indicates the level of firearm ownership in the United States is approaching a near two decade high. With 47% of Americans now answering “yes” to the question “do you have a gun in your household, or elsewhere on your property?” it’s clear that what’s trending is . . . guns.

While this is good news for those of us who are passionate about the Second Amendment, the same poll provides insight into another appealing trend. Firearms ownership among women has risen dramatically over the last seven years. 23% of American women now say they personally own a firearm, up a full ten percentage points since 2005.

May have something to do with the falling crime rates then…

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 6:05 pm
Yes, I am probably diverting the blog from something important, kae, like identifying more “sluts” from out of thin air.

Like Mrs Santorum!

Steve, you ignored my question.

Do you think Obama should hand back Bill Maher’s $1 million donation in view of his description of Sarah Palin as a “stupid twat” and a “c—”?

Yes or no?

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 6:06 pm
oops…last sentence should not be include in quotes.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 6:07 pm
I haven’t read the details, CL. I have no opinion.

And it is, of course, being raised by you as a hand wave for not apologising for your very own gross slur about a woman who dares support the Obama mandate.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 6:11 pm
People are always talking about ignoring me, but rarely can.

The comment count at your blog suggests otherwise, Steve.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 6:13 pm
I haven’t read the details, CL. I have no opinion.

That’s a no.

Steve doesn’t believe Obama’s PAC should hand back a million dollar donation from Bill Maher.

…gross slur about a woman who dares support the Obama mandate.

LOL. She’s so brave to support Obama.

And no, it wasn’t a slur, let alone a gross one. She claims she’s going broke rooting. She’s a self-confessed tart.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 6:16 pm
The Cat should have a special dedicated Steve from Brisbane thread. Just chuck all of his comments in that one. All Steve! All The Time! Just think of it.

spot

4 Mar 12 at 6:18 pm
The Cat should have a special dedicated Steve from Brisbane thread.

It would be so filled with the word ‘penis’ that Catallaxy would start to attract v1agr4 spam.

C.L.

4 Mar 12 at 6:22 pm
Also, manscaping tips.

spot

4 Mar 12 at 6:24 pm
Speaking of trolls and other associated vermin, I gave Lez the racistkiddie a gentle nudge this morning. Anyone seen hide or hair of the dear precious little princess?

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 6:26 pm
She [Fluke] testified that women like her need access to birth control, a point that almost no one disputes. [you got that right].

More controversially, however, she argued that Georgetown, a 223-year-old Jesuit institution, should be forced by federal law to pay for her contraception of choice without regard to Georgetown’s religious beliefs — and that somehow Georgetown’s current policy is a medieval infringement on her rights as a human being.

Poor dear, as a woman she’s so oppressed in 2012 America. She has no other option but to spread those legs and take the chance of contracting STI’s (or passing them on) or pregnancy, or (horror of horrors) actually pay for her own contraceptives. She just has no other choice.

She has an incredible array of birth control devices and techniques to choose from — including birth control pills, patches, caps, rings, shots, diaphragms, implants, spermicides (foam, jelly, cream, film), male condoms, female condoms, morning-after pills, Depo-Provera, IUDs, pulling out, tubal ligation and, yes, abortion. Do they still make chastity belts?

She has the choice to have her boyfriend or husband pay for her preferred method of contraception. This seems like a reasonable accommodation assuming only he, and not all of society, is enjoying the pleasure of her company.

She has the choice to shop around for less expensive birth control. As John McCormack pointed out in The Weekly Standard, generic Ortho Tri-Cyclen costs $9 at the Washington, D.C. Target store, or $297 for the 33 months of law school. This is 90 percent less than the $3,000 three-year cost that Ms. Fluke cited in her testimony.

But no, Mz Fluke demands that a “223-year-old Jesuit institution” should provide her with free contraceptives so she can continue to accommodate her, shall we say, seemingly insatiable gratification of physical momenta.

She wants to scratch that puissant itch of hers on everyone’s else’s dime.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 7:02 pm
Contraception should be free.

It’s not rocket science.

Kelly of Kenmore

4 Mar 12 at 7:06 pm
Contraception should be free.

Why?
Why should our sex lives be government-subsidised?

daddy dave

4 Mar 12 at 7:08 pm
Contraception should be free.

I very much doubt you’ll ever have a use for it, Philomenia.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 7:09 pm
Contraception should be free.

Free? Nothing’s free.

And why should condoms be supplied by the taxpayer?

twostix

4 Mar 12 at 7:10 pm
oooh, Gab. That one’s gonna leave a mark.

Well done!

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 7:11 pm
Bolt: Carr could become PM. He could take the position then would have 3 months to grab a lower house seat, as Gorton did.
If that happened, it would surely have no benefit for Labor; they would still be in for a drubbing.

daddy dave

4 Mar 12 at 7:12 pm
If it stops idiots like Fluke having children, no doubt the taxpayer would be paying for raising the child, free contraception is not a bad idea.

tiny dancer

4 Mar 12 at 7:14 pm
My dear jellybelly of kenmore.

Contraception IS free.

There’s this perfectly free type of birth control called abstinence.

It’s not rocket science, eh?

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 7:14 pm
DD – if he does, that stampeding sound you’ll here are NSW ALP voters running for the nearest LP voting booth.

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 7:15 pm
So let me get this straight. In order to show one of the ALP factions who’s boss, Gillard installs the very person who could usurp Her Boganess? Yep, that sounds about right.

Gab

4 Mar 12 at 7:21 pm
MK of Brisbane. Tell us about abstinence.

Kelly of Kenmore

4 Mar 12 at 7:25 pm
My dear jellybelly, it’s that state you truly deserve to enjoy. After all, we don’t want the gene pool polluted, do we?

Me, I have noooo problems there. In my third decade of marriage to the same very dear Lady, and nearly all of the children have left the nest: four gone, only a small number still at home.

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 7:37 pm
Mk50

There’s this perfectly free type of birth control called abstinence.

smelly

Tell us about abstinence.

smelly, like you aren’t the world’s leading practitioner of abstinence?

You’ve only got to front up in person anywhere and the concept of sex is immediately off the agenda of anyone within sniffing distance.

Stop being coy, you know full well from a lifetime of personal experience what abstinence is.

Just don’t expect us to feel sorry for you.

Rabz

4 Mar 12 at 7:37 pm
Poor old drunk, Rabz.

Kelly of Kenmore

4 Mar 12 at 7:40 pm
Well, Rabz, Jellybelly of Kenmore at least has a decent title there ‘The Onanist: An Autobiography’.

One of the very few (OK, OK, the only) nice things about those fabulist totalitarian racist anti-semitic narcissists who call themselves ‘progressives’ is that they recognise their grotesque inferiority by not polluting the human race’s gene pool by having offspring. It is perhaps also nice that the practise the eugenics they so adore on themselves.

Theya re also dead boring.

it does not look like poor little jellybelly is even capable of coming up with a decent insult. Obviously, it has a progressive education too, that’s the usual reason for functional illiteracy.

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 7:47 pm
Poor old drunk, Rabz.

That is a feature, not a bug Kelly.

Carpe Jugulum

4 Mar 12 at 7:55 pm
smelly – give it away – I’m not poor, nor a drunk, nor an oxygen thieving, envy cursed, unemployable simpleton like yourself.

If you have evidence of me being a drunk, present it, arsewipe.

Oh that’s right – you don’t have any.

Rabz

4 Mar 12 at 7:58 pm
Kelly,Rabz pays for his own piss, none of you business

Tal

4 Mar 12 at 8:09 pm
Sigh. The quality of the mouthbreathing, coarse-pelted, flea-ridden window-licking leftard trolls these days is simply abysmal, Rabz.

Soft-left socialist slimebuckets the lot of them. Where are the hate-filled, invective howling spittle flecked trots and marxian dirtbags of yore?

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 8:11 pm
Gone are the days Mark

Tal

4 Mar 12 at 8:13 pm
Um, Mk50, the ones you seek are over there.
In the Parliament.

Winston Smith

4 Mar 12 at 8:14 pm
And if I could press the issue with you rabz, it’s your shout.
It’s a thirsty argument.

Winston Smith

4 Mar 12 at 8:15 pm
Thanks Guys,

I’m particularly aggrieved, having had to battle the rising waters all weekend and worrying Chez Rabz* was going to be inundated. Not quite sandbags, but getting there…

Awesome soothsaying, flummery!

*For smelly

Rabz

4 Mar 12 at 8:15 pm
Yeah but Winston they are dull, I miss the serious window lickers

Tal

4 Mar 12 at 8:16 pm
And where the hell is that spavined little cretin Lez the racistkiddie?

Little sod’s homework is due. Bet he’s skived off with his bong and a pot of vaseline again to smoke third-rate pot, play with himself and sneer at ‘little brown people’ again.

Trolls these days…

Bring me a decent troll! This lot broke down and cried too easily.

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 8:16 pm
Mark we need Margo,God she was a warrior

Tal

4 Mar 12 at 8:19 pm
Speaking of third rate trolls, whatever happened to tHR? He might have been third rate with the intellect of a amoebic dysentery, but he was as persistent and as nasty as genital herpes.

Even he was better than these rockapes.

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 8:21 pm
The serious window lickers, Tal, have moved on to the wallpaper. Most are still licking, but some like Les have started smoking it.
It has a dreadful pong. A bit like their philosophy.

Winston Smith

4 Mar 12 at 8:22 pm
I still have a soft spot for Marilyn Shepherd.*

A worthy troll in both physical features and raving ratbaggery.

(aka “Maryloon Sheephead” in some darker corners of the blogosphere)

Pedro the Ignorant

4 Mar 12 at 8:25 pm
whatever happened to tHR?

A fatal accident?

Rabz

4 Mar 12 at 8:26 pm
Good times Pedro good times

Tal

4 Mar 12 at 8:30 pm
I saw recently Marilyn is hanging around Bob Ellis’ blog. The mad old turd doesn’t know how to handle her.

Token

4 Mar 12 at 8:34 pm
Really ?

Tal

4 Mar 12 at 8:36 pm
Margo Kingston you mean?

Yet, she was truly vile. A true-believer in every scam and greentard ecodoomscreamer load of utter bollocks that came along. Genuinely foul, an evil harridan of the worst order. And so endearingly stupid. She blew $90,000 on a blog (!!) and then had to scrabble and grovel for more of the taxpayer teat to recover ‘her’ finances.

I utterly loathed her. Had a very nasty run-in with her once outside Green HQ in Canberra (2004 election – when she was baying her slogan “No Thappyjon!!”. My lady wife and a friend’s 12 yr old daughter happened to be there waiting for me. My lady wife was, of course, sneering at the greenpondscum and their vapid lies. Margo walked up to her, I was perhaps ten feet away, and openly put the hard word on my wife! And in very, very crude terms. My wife looked her up and down and just shredded her. In her profession lesbians are a dime a dozen – part of the furniture and who cares, but my dear wife was inspired (and I quote her last few words) “the butt ugliest, most deliberately offensive and brazen fat sixty-year old bull dykes have infinitely more class and looks than you…”

Then she got rude.

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 8:38 pm
This is not a dark corner of the blogosphere, nor am I a denizen of same.

Maryloon Sheephead is an appropriate moniker for the person so named.

kae

4 Mar 12 at 8:42 pm
I have seen Manyloon Sheepdip, too….

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 8:57 pm
Tal, if you have a few spare minutes, Ellis’ blog is a real laugh.

This seriously was his post earlier this week:

I offered Unleashed a piece on the Carr Foreign Ministry hypothesis and my inside knowledge of it and they said no.

What dickheads they are, or were.

Or perhaps you disagree.

Token

4 Mar 12 at 8:58 pm
I guess you’ve all been wondering what Herman Cain is up to.

Making seriously pretentious and weird videos is the answer.

steve from brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 8:59 pm
I guess you’ve all been wondering what Herman Cain is up to.

No, we haven’t been.

But you knew that already.

Rabz

4 Mar 12 at 9:04 pm
SoB’s trolling is so tedious

Token

4 Mar 12 at 9:05 pm
Making seriously pretentious and weird videos is the answer.

As opposed to harping on incessantly about the following:

Sleazey Slutes!

Contraception!

Ejaculation!

Abortion!

obama!

Herman Cain!

Conservative catholicism!

Rabz

4 Mar 12 at 9:08 pm
Bloody hell guys. I take my daughter to the museum, do some shopping, cook and serve dinner, do the dishes, put out the bins, get school uniforms ready, help my daughter with homework and you lot are still banging onnat each. I miss you guys…………must put kids to bed, get Whisky and join back in.

John Comnenus

4 Mar 12 at 9:12 pm
Good! John, you can take over then.

I’ll wander off shortly as my dear wife is leering at me suggestively.

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Mar 12 at 9:14 pm
Shhhh, don’t tell Wayne Swan:

The richest 70 members of China’s legislature added more to their wealth last year than the combined net worth of all 535 members of the U.S. Congress, the president and his Cabinet, and the nine Supreme Court justices.

The net worth of the 70 richest delegates in China’s National People’s Congress, which opens its annual session on March 5, rose to 565.8 billion yuan ($89.8 billion) in 2011, a gain of $11.5 billion from 2010, according to figures from the Hurun Report, which tracks the country’s wealthy. That compares to the $7.5 billion net worth of all 660 top officials in the three branches of the U.S. government.

boy on a bike

4 Mar 12 at 9:24 pm
Letftwinger Robert Samuelson smells a rat when it comes to conventional wisdom over who will win the November election.

The conventional wisdom, as I read it, rests heavily on the following propositions.

(1) The economy is improving and will continue to improve,

2) Romney and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, now his closest rival, are — each in his own way — alienating crucial independent voters.

3) The leading Republican candidates can be counted on to commit regular gaffes

(4) Finally, the Republican House of Representatives will serve as a priceless foil for Obama.

All in all, the conventional wisdom seems compelling. …….. And yet there’s one conspicuous gap in the-election-is-already-over story: the polls.

While the Republicans have been destroying each other and embarrassing themselves, the polls for a general election should have shown a collapse in Republican support. They haven’t — at least so far.

Go to Real Clear Politics (www.realclearpolitics.com) for the latest figures. The average of the polls it follows shows (for the period from Feb. 10 to Feb. 29) Obama beating Romney by 4.6 percentage points (49 percent to 44.4 percent). Obama’s margin of victory over Santorum is slightly larger (49.3 percent to 44.2 percent).

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/03/02/is_the_election_over_113333.html

JC

4 Mar 12 at 9:38 pm
After criticising the Bush administration for similiar activities, Obama White House uses NYPD to spy on Muslim neighbourhoods.

Token

4 Mar 12 at 10:12 pm
Why the Heartland Institute scandal proves there is no denalist conspiracy.

My favourite part of the Gleick scandal was the letter that got him exposed:
“basically, it reads like it was written from the secret villain lair of a batman comic, by an intern.”

As we see here, lefties can not fake Boeing a libertarian or a conservative.

Token

4 Mar 12 at 10:40 pm
Apparently Dominic Strauss Kahn is available ot help satisfy Sandra Fluke insatiable sexual appetite.

John Comnenus

4 Mar 12 at 11:00 pm
My wife looked her up and down and just shredded her. In her profession lesbians are a dime a dozen – part of the furniture and who cares, but my dear wife was inspired (and I quote her last few words) “the butt ugliest, most deliberately offensive and brazen fat sixty-year old bull dykes have infinitely more class and looks than you…”

Then she got rude.

She could have come to my masterclasses.

.

4 Mar 12 at 11:05 pm
I haven’t read the details, CL. I have no opinion.

And it is, of course, being raised by you as a hand wave for not apologising for your very own gross slur about a woman who dares support the Obama mandate.

This is a lie.

There are four possibilities.

1. She is a world class slut.

2. She is so dumb as to be called in common parlance, “retarded“.

3. She is a DNC plant, witnessed by her sham degree qualifications.

4. All of the above.

Stop making us laugh at a poorly executed hoax, stepford steve.

.

4 Mar 12 at 11:21 pm
Yep, it’s settled.

Today in the Annals of Settled Science

According to a new study reported in Scientific American and published in Nature Medicine, it turns out that your biology textbook was wrong about the basic facts of the human body:

A study led by Jonathan Tilly of the Massachusetts General Hospital overturns the decades-long idea that women are born with all the eggs they will ever have. It reports that women of reproductive age carry ovarian stem cells, meaning that they can produce new eggs.

So, to recap: after centuries of intensive scientific research we are still learning amazing and surprising things about our bodies. But climate science is settled once and for all and no further questions need to be asked.

JC

4 Mar 12 at 11:22 pm
Making seriously pretentious and weird videos is the answer.

What, like John Edwards?

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 12:19 am
False claims. False advertising. Monash University. You guessed it, climate “science”:

CarbonWorks has no excuse. Its patron is Monash University, which claims to believe in academic rigor. So why does the latest ClimateWorks video claim that emissions of carbon dioxide – an invisible gas – are actually dark clouds of soot? Why does it falsely claim that low-emissions plans are about removing such black soot from the atmosphere?

Maybe they just don’t know the difference between carbon and carbon dioxide. It’s a tricky one for them. Even confounds educated people like Gillard and Swan.

Wait until she finds out the difference! Then it’s sure to be another tax – this time called a Carbon Dioxide Tax.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 12:19 am
Bill Leak on Labor’s plan to ban free speech:

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/03/04/1226288/686356-120305-leak-cartoon.jpg

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 12:21 am
Bill Leak on Labor’s plan to ban free speech:

But why has he drawn Bob Brown in the ‘toon?

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 12:22 am
Well done “Reader X”.

Reader X notes the attempts by foreign and local activists to use the media inquiry to punish the Murdoch newspapers, which employ more conservatives than do Fairfax newspapers and the ABC:

From the final reporting of this Labor governments Media Inquiry a very interesting statement buried on page 291 of the report:

What are the options for regulation:
….
License publishers of print and online news, the criterion being that the publisher is a ‘fit and proper person’—an option with a surprising number of supporters, most but not all of whom are members of the advocacy group Avaaz.

Avaaz? Who are these people who flooded this inquiry with demands to license the free press in Australia? I bet it was those evil rightwingers wasn’t it?…

And there’s more.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/media_inquiry_wants_to_control_even_blogs_with_a_reader_a_day/

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 12:27 am
The ABC is full of IPA and other right wing types.

The Fairfax press only publishes some modestly leftist commentators because it knows its audience.

Max Scream

5 Mar 12 at 12:48 am
Henry Ergas eviscerates Shane Wand leaving him dangling in the wind.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/swans-attack-on-wealthy-a-bit-rich/story-fn7078da-1226288743446

Wand is really Rodney Dangerfield of Australian politics. He gets absolutely no respect.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 12:56 am
Henry Ergas is a good Marxist commentator and that’s about it.

Max Scream

5 Mar 12 at 12:59 am
So it wasn’t a one-off thought bubble.

Swan’s new communism is now Gillard government policy… And this is all orchestrated:

Mr Swan will take up the theme in an address at the National Press Club today. Immediately after he will conduct a half-hour forum on Twitter using the hashtag #FairGo.

At that link: Clive Palmer calls Swan an “intellectual pygmy.”

In a separate column today, Palmer bashes the idiot:

It would be far better for the Treasurer to face the truth that he personally doesn’t know how the economy works, that he is just a puppet of the faceless men who give directions on what to do and say. In last week’s leadership ballot between the two robots, we saw the robot with the least respect of the Australian people being re-elected to lead the ALP – a clear demonstration that there is no leadership in the Labor Party and that it has contempt for the views and wishes of the people.

That the Treasurer takes instructions from the faceless people and/or his department, rather than reflecting the will of the people, is not democracy as I know it. Democracy means respecting the rights of all. It means respecting the verdict of all members of society and respecting the results of public polls and the will of the people.

The Treasurer attacks me as being anti-democratic but he hardly knows me, or who I am. Other than a five-minute encounter at breakfast one morning, he has never met me.

I would say that, with his limited ideas, he could not make an impression on a cushion.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 1:17 am
Ahoy Twitterers, I repeat:

Mr Swan will take up the theme in an address at the National Press Club today. Immediately after he will conduct a half-hour forum on Twitter using the hashtag #FairGo.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 1:19 am
lol… Shane Wand gets zero respect. None from anyone. Everyone despises the little prick.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 1:20 am
Immediately after he will conduct a half-hour forum on Twitter

where he will attract pimply-faced school boys and effeminate male luvvies who still think it “cool” to tweet.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 1:23 am
Clive Palmer calling someone an intellectual pygmy?

Lowy doesn’t think much of his intellect and its no where near the size of his gut.

Max Scream

5 Mar 12 at 1:24 am
Run, Tim! Run for high ground!

PROFESSOR Tim Flannery, who infamously suggested sea levels could rise by eight storeys, could find himself in deep water if only a portion of his dire prediction is realised.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal the controversial environmentalist owns a large, low-lying waterfront home on the Hawkesbury River…

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 1:24 am
Palmer does not give, shall we say, a good impression of himself in the media lately.

Steve from Brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 1:27 am
You’re worse Stepford. In fact you’re in the same category as Shane Wand in most ways. Like him, you make the same intellectual impression as a pin cushion.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 1:31 am
Clive Palmer calling someone an intellectual pygmy?

Lowy doesn’t think much of his intellect and its no where near the size of his gut

.

Oooh… You’re such a courageous man Minor Squeak demonstrating an unique clarity of vision together with a rapier wit.

I hope Clive for his own sake doesn’t read Catallaxy.

His ego would not possibly recover from your devastating critique.

JamesK

5 Mar 12 at 1:31 am
The Daily Telegraph can reveal the controversial environmentalist owns a large, low-lying waterfront home on the Hawkesbury River…

That thought passed through my head when i heard on the radio past of the Hawkesbury were being flooded. I thought to myself, what’s the dinosaur poo collector up to and I hope he didn’t get rid of flood insurance.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 1:32 am
Actually Clive’s piece is pretty decent. He really gets stuck into the “intellectual pygmy” like nothing I’ve seen for a while.

Wayne Dangerfield… he gets no respect.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 1:35 am
Palmer does not give, shall we say, a good impression of himself in the media lately.

Unlike our esteemed “fit and proper” leaders.

The most conservative government in Australian history, in a Hayekian “Why I Am Not a Conservative” kind of way.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 1:42 am
Palmer’s piece is based on heaping cheap insult on cheap insult with lashings of bombast:

“It would be far better for the Treasurer to face the truth that he personally doesn’t know how the economy works, that he is just a puppet of the faceless men who give directions on what to do and say. In last week’s leadership ballot between the two robots, we saw the robot with the least respect of the Australian people being re-elected to lead the ALP …”

Max Scream

5 Mar 12 at 1:48 am
After the way in which Swan publicly attacked Rudd last week, Swan is deserving of nothing less than the harsh truth. Good to see Clive has the balls to speak out against him. More people in big business should follow his example rather than cowering and hoping that Swan and his cronies will eventually understand the basics of economics.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 1:48 am
Palmer’s piece is based on heaping cheap insult on cheap insult with lashings of bombast:

“It would be far better for the Treasurer to face the truth that he personally doesn’t know how the economy works,

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtEyAe1QqCg

JC

5 Mar 12 at 1:50 am
Why is Wayne Swan the first Treasurer in memory who isn’t the heir apparent to the prime ministership?

Because he’s as dumb as a hessian bag full of hammers, that’s why.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 1:50 am
So who here is Reader X?

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/media_inquiry_wants_to_control_even_blogs_with_a_reader_a_day/

Abu Chowdah

5 Mar 12 at 1:52 am
Mr Swan will take up the theme in an address at the National Press Club today. Immediately after he will conduct a half-hour forum on Twitter using the hashtag #FairGo.

Forgive me if I skip that. I have to clip my dogs’ toenails, and the #FairGo hashtag seems to already have hit Peak Chucklehead™.

spot

5 Mar 12 at 1:52 am
All Swan has to do is what Costello and Keating had to do, and that is present the considered opinions of Treasury.

Max Scream

5 Mar 12 at 1:54 am
So who here is Reader X?

It was twostix’s work.

I dunno if he was the one that flagged it to Bolt

JamesK

5 Mar 12 at 1:55 am
All Swan has to do is what Costello and Keating had to do, and that is present the considered opinions of Treasury.

If that is so and he is performing that function, then Treasury is so desperately incoherent as to render its opinions worthless.

However, fortunately for treasury perhaps, you’re being obtuse.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 1:56 am
Swan is borderline retarded, as treasurers go. I know it and you know it Maxie Piglet. We all know it.

Only a stupid person would fail to recognise it.

Abu Chowdah

5 Mar 12 at 1:56 am
All Swan has to do is what Costello and Keating had to do, and that is present the considered opinions of Treasury.

i don’t think we should be cruel to /shane.

He’s only been Treasurer since the obnoxious Ken Henry resigned and left poor Shane to take the blame for Kenny’s woefully extreme keynesian sundry lunacies.

JamesK

5 Mar 12 at 1:58 am
Swanny (yes, that’s his Twitter handle. Screams ‘gravitas’, doesn’t it…), Millhouse. Separated at birth?

spot

5 Mar 12 at 2:03 am
My bet? It was twostix – that’s why Bolta called him reader X. Two Sticks crossed over.

Winston Smith

5 Mar 12 at 2:42 am
If “Reader X” doesn’t want to be identified, I don’t think it behooves us to “out” him or her.

spot

5 Mar 12 at 2:44 am
Newspoll – February 23-26

Industrial Relations: ALP 47 (+8) L/NP 34 (-1)
Climate Change: ALP 35 (+7) L/NP 26 (-5)
Unemployment: ALP 42 L/NP 38
Asylum-seekers: ALP 21 (+4) L/NP 47 (+3)
Education: ALP 46 (+8) L/NP 33 (-2)
Health and Medicare: ALP 44 (+7) L/NP 35 (-2)
Economy: ALP 34 (+6) L/NP 46 (-1)

ALP the natural party of government.

LaRouchite

5 Mar 12 at 3:06 am
THE new Liberal candidate for Barker has promised to re-energise the electorate after his landslide preselection win.

Mt Gambier lawyer Tony Pasin defeated Patrick Secker by about 160 votes to 80 on Saturday, becoming one of only a handful of candidates to win preselection over a sitting member.

Mr Pasin, who is chairman of the Liberal Party’s Rural and Regional Council, said the revelation that Mr Secker had employed three members of his family at his electoral office did not affect the voting.

“I was very confident throughout the campaign that they (Barker Liberal members) seriously were looking for change,” he said. “I do not think that revelation last week impacted (on the votes) in any significant way.”

Mr Secker came under pressure last week when The Advertiser revealed that his wife, stepdaughter and her partner were all employed at his electorate office.

The appointments, which are not against parliamentary rules, were defended by Mr Secker, who said they were each qualified for their jobs and held relevant experience.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/mt-gambier-lawyer-tony-pasin-wins-pre-selection-for-barker-over-patrick-secker/story-e6frea83-1226288113741

LaRouchite

5 Mar 12 at 3:13 am
LolDouche, are you having some sort of brain spasm? You seem awfully animated. Can I assure you no one here gives a flying shit about the candidate for Mt Gambier- specially the pre-selection.

Go to bed as you have a centrelink appointment at the early hour of 1.00Pm.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 3:28 am
ALP the natural party of government.

Election now!

Abu Chowdah

5 Mar 12 at 3:41 am
I can hear Leftist heads exploding from my front porch.

spot

5 Mar 12 at 5:23 am
Said I had heard a rumour from a source who I considered reliable and to have good reason to know about it, and that I thought if it was widely known (and true) would hurt him in public opinion. Under much questioning, I said it was to do with his heterosexuality.

You wish, Steve.

PS. you are a despicable slimeball to be casting such aspertions with ZERO evidence. I guess we can chalk this up to wishful thinking on your part.

Oh come on

5 Mar 12 at 5:29 am
(The above comment concerned Abbott – surprise, surprise! Steve has it on good authority that he’s a bender. Maybe Steve’s in with a chance….)

Oh come on

5 Mar 12 at 5:31 am
I had heard a rumour from a source who I considered reliable and to have good reason to know about it, and that I thought if it was widely known (and true) would hurt him in public opinion. Under much questioning, I said it was to do with his heterosexuality.

Steve goes full creepystalker.

I’d happily have Mr Abbott as my nephews’ cub scout leader.

Steve? Notsomuch.

spot

5 Mar 12 at 5:42 am
Funny you mention it Spot. I had heard a rumour from a source who I considered reliable and to have good reason to know, that Steve of Brisbane was a total c***.

Abu Chowdah

5 Mar 12 at 5:53 am
ALP the natural party of government.

Except two of those things aren’t even federal responsibilities. Are the ALP also rated higher with “garbage collection”?

Quentin George

5 Mar 12 at 7:10 am
OCO and spot: The meaning is the opposite of what you are suggesting. Jason, I think it was, asked if the rumour was to do with homosexuality, and I answered as indicated.

Permission to move on, now.

Steve from Brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 7:30 am
Monbiot applauds theft in the interests of the Climate Crusade.

Rafe

5 Mar 12 at 7:38 am
Does this sound like familiar?

State funded “green astroturf” in the UK, like Australia, like to throw mud at organisations that seek to end the gravy train…

One of the endlessly recurring themes of the environmental narrative is – in the words of the man at the centre of the ‘Fakegate’ mess, water and climate researcher Peter Gleick – that an ‘anonymous, well-funded, and coordinated’ effort exists ‘to cast doubt on climate science’, and ‘muddy public understanding about climate science and policy’. According to this mythology, right-leaning think tanks are funded by big energy companies that are keen to protect their profits from environmental regulation.

There are two problems for environmentalists convinced by this mythology.

The first is that it has never been plausible. Large corporations do not suffer from regulation. They are simply able to pass costs on to the consumer…

The second problem for environmentalists has been to demonstrate that the myth is anything more than a myth. An ongoing Greenpeace project launched in 2004, for instance, aimed to provide a ‘database of information on the corporate-funded anti-environmental movement’. However, the sums of money involved were paltry…

Token

5 Mar 12 at 8:26 am
i understand the fellow Steve’s upset at being called
p**dophile etc the other day, that’s bad stuff, and any man be insulted, but

but Steve
don’t go hinting at slurring nasty stuff about Mr Abbott, a very fine Christian family man who does oodles of community work. All within the safety of a blog you say things. You’ve probably never ever even met him.

my guess is you are old enough and certainly educated enough to communciate in a much more thoughtful and proper manner than that

candy

5 Mar 12 at 8:29 am
“Monbiot applauds theft in the interests of the Climate Crusade.”

Rafe, it seems like it is standard practice at the Guardian, Monbiot is reflection the rotten culture he works in:

Elsewhere in the Guardian, climate-change ethical philosopher James Garvey reveals the truth in his question: ‘If Gleick frustrates the efforts of Heartland, isn’t his lie justified by the good that it does?’ Environmentalists are so convinced of their cause that it is the only moral absolute. The Guardian, a newspaper which makes such a virtue of ‘ethics’, and of ‘transparency’ – especially in the climate debate – now seems to be saying ‘it’s okay to lie’.

Token

5 Mar 12 at 8:30 am
You know, I really do get p*ssed off knowing this is where my tax is going to:

Studies of sleeping snails and determining if Australian birds are getting smaller because of climate change have also been allocated funding in the latest round of grants totalling $300 million by the Australian Research Council.

A study of “an ignored credit instrument in Florentine economic, social and religious life from 1570 to 1790″ secured $578,792 for a researcher from the University of Western Australia.

The council insists the study was approved because it had modern day relevance to the global financial crisis as it shows how Florence in ancient times recovered from an economic downturn and because no one had studied that element of history before.

Token

5 Mar 12 at 8:38 am
candy: I raised it once, about 2 years ago now, and have never sought to repeat it. However, I would say that about every 2 months, someone claims the fact that I said I had a heard a rumour about Abbott is a huge bit of scandalous behaviour. As on the the weekend, the detail of what I said is now routinely misrepresented.

Much more specific rumour about Gillard has appeared here many times since.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 8:41 am
Much more specific rumour about Gillard has appeared here many times since.

…back by a stat dec and evidence from the Hansard from the parliament of Victoria, yet no one can find the evidence Gillard used to refute the claim.

Token

5 Mar 12 at 8:46 am
FFS. I go to bed after stevie has been put in his place and I get up and he’s back peddling the same lies and half truths. No wonder he loves the slapper.

Tiny Dancer

5 Mar 12 at 8:50 am
FFS. I go to bed after stevie has been put in his place and I get up and he’s back peddling the same lies and half truths. No wonder he loves the slapper.

Is it any wonder that OCO said he would not let his children near the zealot?

Token

5 Mar 12 at 8:53 am
candy: I raised it once, about 2 years ago now, and have never sought to repeat it.

How about you withdraw it, you scurrilous arsehiole?

You will be otherwise be treated as “fair game” with extreme prejudice.

.

5 Mar 12 at 9:06 am
What time is this #FairGo thing on twitter? I have a couple questions:

When will single people get a #FairGo on their taxes?

When will Australians in geberal be given a #FairGo on taxes?

Why won’t you blokes give Rudd a #FairGo

Any other annoying questions? If we get enough retweets, we can flood the thing. (And yes, I realise it seems a pointless exercise – but anything to irritate Swanny is worth a #FairGo)

Fleeced

5 Mar 12 at 9:45 am
When we get a #FairGo and have Fair Work’s investigation into Craig Thomson revealed?

When we get a #FairGO and get a fully costed business case for the NBN?

Token

5 Mar 12 at 10:37 am
IQ49

“Paleosimian” is a term of racial abuse for Palestinians.

It obviously sounds like a play on the word “Palestinian” that is intend to suggest Palestinians are less than human, and a quick google search confirms that it is, indeed, used as a term of racial abuse in exactly that way.

Now you say that you don’t use it as a term of racial abuse.

This is of course analogous to Graeme Bird’s argument that, when he refers to “n*ggers”, he actually means white people who act like “n*ggers” and it’s no slur on blacks.

(Or at least that’s what I think his argument is. As usual with Bird – and you – I find it quite difficult to discern a coherent argument behind all the blather and gibberish.)

I think Bird’s argument is silly.

Similarly, I think your argument that no racial slur is intended when you use the word “Paleosimian” is silly.

I can’t look into your brain – and nor would I wish to – but the word “Paleosimian” is a term of racial abuse. That’s a fact, and it is a fact that you are well aware of, because – in case it wasn’t completely obvious to you – I have pointed it out to you repeatedly.

Now, to be clear, I think you should be absolutely free to abuse people racially, if you so desire, provided you don’t encourage violence. I think Sinclair should be free to allow you to use terms of racial abuse on his blog, if that’s the sort of blog Sinclair wants to run.

However, if you continue to insist on using terms of racial abuse (such as “Paleosimian” and “Preshizzle”), I am going to point out that you do so, and thus allow people to draw their own conclusions.

As a postscript, I find your habit of using words then insisting on redefining them to have bizarre, retroactive meanings when you get called up on the gibberish or racist nature of your word choice to be very annoying.

Hope this helps,
Les

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:17 am
Preshizzle

What does that mean?

JC

5 Mar 12 at 11:20 am
Hey, remember when Les and Steve were terribly upset about broadcaster David Letterman calling for Sarah Palin’s underage daughter to be raped by baseball players?

No, me neither.

I never said anything one way or the other about Letterman, but since you ask, my response is, first, that you are (predictably) lying when you say he “call[ed] for Sarah Palin’s underage daughter to be raped by baseball players” and, second, that Letterman crossed the line with his comments, and Sarah Palin, as appalling as she is, should be able to participate in public life without having her daughters subjected to crass jokes on late night TV.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:20 am
Nice video on the US budget

Alex Pundit

5 Mar 12 at 11:20 am
What has she done to appall you Leslie?

You’re appalled she takes the opposite views to most of the things you support?

Jc

5 Mar 12 at 11:22 am
Looks like Bird is having a domestic with Phil

http://graemebird.wordpress.com/2012/02/29/the-inherent-instability-of-the-galaxy-and-solar-system/#comment-39250

jtfsoon

5 Mar 12 at 11:27 am
JC

Preshizzle is a “joke” that IQ49 finds hilarious.

The joke is as follows:

Certain proponents of a music style associated with so-called “ghetto culture” add the suffix -izzle to words, so “for sure, my n*gga” becomes “fo shizzle, my nizzle”.

Now 49 thinks it’s funny to call Obama the “Preshizzle” because 49 thinks that Obama, as a person of African ancestry, must use language akin to the language of the ghetto culture.

So it’s 49′s little racist joke about the President – basically, 49 is saying Obama is black, so he talks like he’s from the ghetto.

It’s not particularly funny or witty, and in the scheme of things it isn’t that big a deal, I guess.

But it does show something about 49′s low-brow sense of humour.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:28 am
What has she done to appall you Leslie?

You’re appalled she takes the opposite views to most of the things you support?

No, JC. There are plenty of people who have points of view that I strongly disagree with who do not appal me.

Similarly, there are plenty of people that I do agree with on policy matters that I find totally repugnant.

My problem with Palin was (primarily) her enthusiastic dumbing-down of political discourse.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:31 am
Letterman’s apology was quick and widely considered sincere. (Ace of Spades in commenting on the Fluke case certainly seems to have taken this attitude.)

Limbaugh went on for 3 days, I believe, giving no ground and ridiculing those who were criticising him.

After several advertisers walked, he issued a half baked apology which has little little credibility given his initial attempts to avoid any apology.

Apart from Limbaugh’s general harm he has done to the Republican brand for its attitude to women, I think the whole episode is even worse for showing up how Republicans can’t get the facts of an issue like this straight in their heads. Rush said she wanted “the government” to pay for her contraception, and this line has been repeated endlessly in comments threads and other bloggers. It is, of course, also repeated here, and the likes of JamesK cannot bring themselves to admit they are wrong.

The Obama mandate has nothing to do with government paying for it.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 11:33 am
After several advertisers walked, he issued a half baked apology which has little little credibility given his initial attempts to avoid any apology.

He did. What a softcock.

Hey, but Letterman’s apology was sincere. The science is settled on this one.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 11:36 am
Here, you are showing your support for murdering paleosimian scum like FARC, Al-shabab, Hamas, MILF, Hizb’allah, RAF etc.

You get so het up when people insult terrorists that you can’t really be anything but a covert supporter of their actions.

But you are a leftard, so that’s as ingrained in you as your racism is.

You are way off the mark there. Really clutching at straws.

Pathetic.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:37 am
My problem with Palin was (primarily) her enthusiastic dumbing-down of political discourse.

How so. Is taking the fight up to the Administration that the budget was out of control a process of dumbing things down?

What positions has she taken that dumb down politics?

Let me tell you who has dumbed down politics in the US and that Nancy Botox. “God bless them”

JC

5 Mar 12 at 11:38 am
that’s

JC

5 Mar 12 at 11:39 am
“the dear little racistkiddie reminds me of what Uruguayans say about Argentinians ‘you could get very rich if you could buy an Argentinian for what he is really worth and sell him for what he thinks he’s worth’ ”

A decent insult has to be thought through.

Sure, except your insults are either (i) way off the mark (calling me a covert supporter of Hezbollah? that’s annoying, but there’s no sting) or (ii) plagiarised and thus not only inapposite but also unoriginal.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:40 am
Gutless squib alert.

INCOMING foreign minister Bob Carr says he was “completely wrong” to have opposed the NATO-led intervention in Libya, praising Kevin Rudd for his leadership during the crisis.

Senator-designate Carr, who has been parachuted into the plum foreign affairs portfolio following the resignations of Mr Rudd and NSW senator Mark Arbib, last year blogged against western intervention in Libya in several posts, fearing it would trigger a civil war.

“I was wrong on that,” Mr Carr told ABC Radio today.

“I give Kevin Rudd credit for mobilising himself around the Middle East and encouraging the intervention.

“I am happy to have been completely wrong on that issue.”

JC

5 Mar 12 at 11:46 am
Stick a leftwing idiot in power and they can’t be trusted about anything. the only time they seem to ever make a little sense is in retirement.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 11:48 am
Certain proponents of a music style associated with so-called “ghetto culture” add the suffix -izzle to words, so “for sure, my n*gga” becomes “fo shizzle, my nizzle”.

Dude, that “izzle” phenomenon left the ghetto about a decade back. Keep up.

When even lametard whiter-than-whitebread Ohio anti-bullying edumactors start doin’ the “izzle,” you be bizzled.

Now. Shizzle my dizzle. Dawg.

spot

5 Mar 12 at 11:48 am
So by all means let us resume your public humiliation! You have yet to answer my question as to how you think the RAF destruction of Essen during the Ruhr Campaign of 1943 had no effect on the German war effort.

I never said any such thing. You would have to be a moron to think I i did.

My point – which is uncontroverted – is that WWII could not have been won with “airpower” (as you refer to it) alone. Airpower was necessary but not sufficient. The allies also needed armour and infantry. Victory occurred when allied ground troops entered Berlin, not when allied bombers first flew over Berlin.

You also have to explain why you think logistics has no bearing on how wars are fought at the grand strategic level.

I never said any such thing. You would have to be a moron to think I did.

My point was that your argument (if I understand it) that winning a war is a scientific matter dependent wholly on one’s logistical ability is absurd.

Please explain, 49, why the US ended up abandoning South Vietnam.

Was it because the Americans couldn’t sort out the logistics? Did the Viet Cong have a better logistician than MacNamara at their disposal? Was it the Viet Cong’s superior industrial capacity? Is that how they beat the US?

Or were there other factors at play?

If there are other factors at play, does that not suggest that one should doubt your claim that it would be quick, cheap and easy to deracinate the Iranian transport system, thereby starving the Mullahs into submission and having the supposedly desirably collateral effect of creating an independent Kurdish homeland?

See, I think your claim is just garbage. Your can fluff up your gibberish with a bunch of jargon, but it remains gibberish.

You clearly have a very poor grasp of strategy.

There are plenty of amateurs at this blog – Mark Hill, Soon, JC, even the Currency Lad – who demonstrate a superior grasp of basic strategy to yours.

And they don’t need to show away with all sorts of jargon and incoherent gibberish.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:52 am
Newt Gingrich destroys David Gregory.

Newt at his best.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 11:53 am
INCOMING foreign minister Bob Carr says he was “completely wrong” to have opposed the NATO-led intervention in Libya, praising Kevin Rudd for his leadership during the crisis.

Bob Carr endorses Al Qaeda’s takeover of Libya.

Gosh he’s so brilliant. He has an arts degree in history and reads lots of books.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 11:56 am
Yea, he has an arts degree from the UNSW and thinks he was wrong not supporting AQ’s takeover of Libya.

Reads tons and tons of books though. FFS.

Bob’s a fucking genius.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 12:03 pm
Isn’t it time for Obama and the Democrat Party to apologise for lionising Ted Kennedy – the rapist woman killer? How many women’s lives have been endangered because the President of the United States is soft on sexual assault?

What about the Democrat Occupy movement? Isn’t it time the party apologised for endorsing a movement whose members have been guilty of multiple rapes?

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 12:04 pm
Do you know, CL, the State Democrats in North Carolina actually did, just recently, get around to apologizing for the Wilmington race riots.

“Better late than never.”

spot

5 Mar 12 at 12:10 pm
You called Kennedy a “liberal legend” in 2008, CL.

What is your basis for calling him a “rapist” now? “Because a right wingnut website said so” doesn’t count.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 12:10 pm
You called Kennedy a “liberal legend” in 2008, CL.

You tried that yesterday, Steve. When you wheel out debunked stunts, it’s always a sign that you’re panicking.

Kennedy had just a stroke and I hoped he wouldn’t die.

I’m not like you, Steve. I don’t enjoy it when airliners crash and children are rushed to hospital after horse-riding accidents.

To liberals, he is a legend but not to me.

But it wasn’t the time to go there.

I have gone there when it was appropriate.

You again advertise your pathological dishonesty.

It’s quite plain that you too regard Ted Kennedy the rapist manslaughterer as a personal hero. I also note that you;ve never criticised the Occupy rape movement – which is fully endorsed by child murder supporter, Barack Obama.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 12:16 pm
But the grand pooh-bah of media misogyny is without a doubt Bill Maher—who also happens to be a favorite of liberals—who has given $1 million to President Obama’s super PAC. Maher has called Palin a “dumb twat” and dropped the C-word in describing the former Alaska governor. He called Palin and Congresswoman Bachmann “boobs” and “two bimbos.” He said of the former vice-presidential candidate, “She is not a mean girl. She is a crazy girl with mean ideas.” He recently made a joke about Rick Santorum’s wife using a vibrator. Imagine now the same joke during the 2008 primary with Michelle Obama’s name in it, and tell me that he would still have a job.

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/138313/

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 12:18 pm
You have not answered the question: on what basis do you allege he was a “rapist”?

I have no strong feelings about Ted Kennedy: I just don’t see why you should get to slur the dead without explaining the basis for your claim.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 12:20 pm
Picture: Barack Obama and Ted Kennedy discuss Mary-Jo Kopechne.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 12:21 pm
Oh great. Just great. It’s Steve time. All attention now focussed on Steve. Really haven’t we more important things to debate than the idiocies Steve comes up with?

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 12:22 pm
Gab: I ask CL a question, and he hand-waved and bloviated. You’re response, of course, is to forgive CL and complain that I’m asking him a question.

People would get a lot less me of challenging them if:

a. they answered questions directly
b. they didn’t bother going for the abuse of me instead of an answer
c. they admitted when they were wrong.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 12:27 pm
The family that rapes together…

The incident began on the evening of Good Friday, March 29, 1991, when Smith, then 30 and a half years old, was in a bar (named Au Bar) in Palm Beach, Florida, with his uncle, Senator Ted Kennedy, and his cousin Patrick Kennedy. Smith met a 29-year-old woman, Patricia Bowman and another young woman at the bar. The four then went to a nearby house owned by the Kennedy family. Smith and 29-year-old Bowman walked along the beach. Bowman alleged that Smith raped her; Smith testified that the sex was consensual. Although three women were willing to testify that Smith had sexually assaulted them in incidents in the 1980s not reported to the police, their testimony was excluded. Smith was acquitted of all charges.

Good times with Chris:

Reports over the years have chronicled the dynamic liberal duo’s La Brasserie exploits, like this one in the Hartford Courant:

“Dodd and Kennedy were also reported to have made a ‘human sandwich’ with a waitress at La Brasserie, another Capitol Hill restaurant. The report had it that Kennedy threw the woman on Dodd, who was slumped in a chair, and then jumped on top of her. She was said to have run screaming from the room.”

The victim herself detailed the attack for Penthouse magazine in 1989, which was summarized by the Washington Times:

“When she put in an appearance in their private retreat – ‘The Teddy Kennedy Fun Room’ – the Massachusetts senator picked her up and heaved her onto a table. The crystal candlesticks and champagne glasses shattered as he grabbed her again and flung her on top of Dodd.

“Then Kennedy threw himself on top of the woman. The waitress implored Mr. Kennedy to ‘Get off me!’

“Another waitress entered to find ‘things all tipped over and Kennedy was on top, [the waitress] was in the middle and Dodd was on the bottom.’ At that point the sandwich was disassembled.”

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 12:28 pm
I just don’t see why you should get to slur the dead without explaining the basis for your claim.

Claim? He left a woman drown slowly in a car he was driving.

You moron.

The idiot aisle is busy today.

There’s

Homer, the tuna can stacker

Bado, whose totally incoherent.

Barnes, the eternal idiot.

Hamster the terminator.

Stepford.. the househusband.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 12:28 pm
Desperate Steve is trying the old troll favourite of answer the question!

I asked him yesterday if he thinks Obama should give back Bill Maher’s $1 million.

No answer. Only an embarrassed declaration of ignorance.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 12:31 pm
OIC: Ted Kennedy is a rapist because of a waitress’ story that appeared in Penthouse, the journal of record that all Republicans rely on. That and the Daily Mail.

By the way, I find Maher an offensive jerk; I can’t stand him when I have seen him on TV. His attacks however, are primarily against politicians and in crude terms which are not dissimilar to those that appear in these threads all the time. Unless the policy is that, for example, the Liberals should refuse all donations from JC, I don’t see that Obama has an obligation to refuse money from Maher.

Limbaugh’s attacks were on a private citizen and cut from whole cloth (her evidence made no reference whatsoever to her own sex life.) It also implied that many unmarried women who support the contraception mandate are “sluts”, and was therefore misogynistic to all women.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 12:41 pm
<blockquote>Speak Up While You Still Can

WHAT TO do about the Finko and Rickety Review, its endorsement of censorship, and the authors’ unconcealed contempt for freedom of speech?

Why not start by contacting Professor Stephen Parker, Vice-Chancellor of Canberra University, the institution where Matthew Ricketson heads the journalism program.

Tell Professor Parker that any journalist who advances the cause of censorship, especially political censorship, is unfit to teach. Further, advise him that Ricketson’s presence on campus brings the entire institution into disrepute, which it does.

Here are Prof Parker’s contact details:

Phone: 02 6201 5000
Fax: 02 6201 5036
Email: Stephen.Parker@canberra.edu.au
Postal Address: University of Canberra ACT 2601
Executive Assistant: Ms Alexis Johnson
Phone : 02 6201 5000
Fax: 02 6201 5036
Email: Alexis.Johnson@canberra.edu.au

Make that your first shot, but not your only one. These gag artists and apparatchiks want to crimp and shrink the very thing that defines full and unfettered citizenship. They must be stopped — and only a display of public outrage can achieve that end.

This is serious. If they want a fight, give ‘em one.

Anyone sent an email yet?

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 12:43 pm
Damn. blockquote troubles.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 12:44 pm
Catallaxy Open Thread! It’s All Steve! All The Time!

spot

5 Mar 12 at 12:45 pm
…..for example, the Liberals should refuse all donations from JC,

Why would they, Stepford? They love me like a red headed stepchild. They always have taken my donations and continue to do so. However if they do harden up on the issue of Free speech they will not see a red cent from me come the election.

If the ABC thinks it’s quite okay to refer to Abbott as the mad monk, I don’t quite see the problem with referring to the appointed PM as the lying slapper, which has a ring of truth.

And might I add Labor’s former leader referred to a journalist as a skanky ho, which I presume you’re not going to argue Homer’s point that is the name of an Asian warlord’s mistress. Are you?

JC

5 Mar 12 at 12:48 pm
No.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 12:49 pm
oops….don’t harden up…

JC

5 Mar 12 at 12:49 pm
Bob Carr may be realising he doesn’t measure up to Mr Rudd as foreign minister; way too old, no charisma, and people just prefer kevni.

candy

5 Mar 12 at 12:57 pm
Ted Kennedy is a rapist because of a waitress’ story that appeared in Penthouse, the journal of record that all Republicans rely on.

Steve alters his Herman Cain evidentiary standards to protect woman killer, Ted Kennedy.

The story was broken by the Pulitzer Prize-winning, Clinton and Obama-endorsing Hartford Courant.

Note the ease with which Steve lies.

Steve on the left’s Rush Limbaugh (Bill Maher) calling Sarah Palin a “stupid twat” and a “c—.”

His attacks however, are primarily against politicians and in crude terms which are not dissimilar to those that appear in these threads all the time.

Shorter Steve: Obama can keep Maher’s million dollar donation because Catallaxy.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 1:12 pm
Steve alters his Herman Cain evidentiary standards

Were there 5 or 6 waitresses claiming Kennedy acted inappropriately with them, CL? And giving interviews on national TV detailing it all?

Must have missed that.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 1:29 pm
Oh, this will please you lot.

According to Bob Ellis, there is another rumour going around about Abbott at the moment. (Ellis seems to have a foolhardy inclination to run with such stuff. Mind you, he gives no specifics, but his comments thread does, and I have seen it in another website now too.)

This is not my 2 year old heard rumour, either, btw.

It may turn out to be completely ill founded and scurrilous (Ellis’ claimed evidence supporting it already seems to be). To save your sensibilities, I won’t link to it.

It is just raised as a matter of political interest: no need to shoot the messenger, even though you obviously will.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 2:06 pm
Good to see Bob Carr swing around and support these fucking animals.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8429769/pm-demands-punishment-for-libya-grave-attackers

JC

5 Mar 12 at 2:07 pm
According to Bob Ellis, there is another rumour going around about Abbott at the moment.

So that’s Steve’s role model. He’s trying to go Bob Ellis one better in the Creepy McPervypants stakes.

spot

5 Mar 12 at 2:11 pm
Steve latest:

…Ted Kennedy misunderstood, Pullitzer Prize-winning Hartford Courant lying, Mary Jo Kopechne had herself to blame… Bill Maher a gentleman… News at 11…

Steve then proceeds to trash Tony Abbott again (using his proxy strategy).

You’re a morally sick person, Steve.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 2:14 pm
A familiar turd keeps churning to the surface of the OT jacuzzi, I see.

JamesK

5 Mar 12 at 2:14 pm
I read what the rumor is.

I am told by my Perth informant that Tony Abbott is no longer wearing his wedding ring during Question Time. Since I am on a train at present passing through Dimboola and Nhill and unable to check, I ask those interested in such things to turn on SkyNews and report back to me.

If it is true the reason is well known to the entire Press Gallery who have been inclined to suppress it and emphasise instead Kevin Rudd’s delusions of grandeur; but they know what they know.

It would be good I guess if they pursued the usual Murdoch process of a politician’s ruination. Or perhaps not good.

So Abbott not wearing his wedding ring gets both Ellis and Stepford orgasmically excited.

You really are a house hubby Stepford.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 2:20 pm
This tweet seemed to offend some people: “Did Gillard give Emerson’s first wife a #FairGo when she started shagging her husband? #auspol”

Fleeced

5 Mar 12 at 2:21 pm
NSW 1948:

REDS HOWL INSULTS AT HANLON

At last night’s rally Mr M. Julius, of Brisbane, told the gathering that the Queensland water-side workers and railwaymen were even now preparing to fight again.

Uniformed youths with large hammer-and-sickle insignia were seated around the speakers’ dais.

The demonstration at the aerodrome was organised by the Communist Party, which sought to gain publicity for it by notifying Sydney newspapers of its plans late last night and early this morning.

The demonstrators included two women, one of whom was Mrs Freda Lewis, formerly Miss Freda Brown.

The Communists arrived In two new Chevrolet cars, which were parked outside the airport until the plane landed. As Mr Hanlon was met by a group of newspaper- men, including photograph- ers, the Communists surged forward, walking around him, waving their placards

Mr Hanlon made no attempt to avoid the Communists and be- yond being ushered after a con- siderable period into the TAA of- fice, there was no attempt to provide him with protection.

….

Asked before leaving the office if he wanted police protection, Mr Hanlon laughed and said that it was not his affair.

LOL.

“I have worked for only one country, Australia, all my life and” when I am hooted by the agents of another country I take it as a compliment,” he told Pressmen during the demonstration.

Mr Hanlon said the demonstration was an indication of what was going on in the coun- try today. The Communist Party was an organisation which would have to be dealt with effectively by the Labour Party.

And now The Greens Party is the totalitarian organisation which needs to be “dealt with effectively by the Labor Party”.

1. How things change and all that.
2. I laugh in the face at the far left who now try and rehabilitate history and claim that they and their forebearers weren’t really agitators for the Soviet Union.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article56813917

twostix

5 Mar 12 at 2:25 pm
I never saw a man wearing a wedding ring until junior high. Fathers of other kids etc – evidently pussy-whipped. Men don’t wear wedding rings.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 2:27 pm
And Correllio’s a couple minutes before that one:

A #fairgo for Labor does not include Mrs Emerson or Mrs Thomson #auspol #discardedwivesclub

LOL

spot

5 Mar 12 at 2:33 pm
@chrisberg ponders:

surely there’s an even emptier phrase than #fairgo

spot

5 Mar 12 at 2:37 pm
Ellis wrote that article praising Abbott (including noting his handsome head, or some such comment): it’s odd that he would run with this.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 2:38 pm
it’s a generational thing. My dad doesn’t wear a ring (at least I don’t recall, this is how observant I am of such things) but every married man of this generation does as far as i know

jtfsoon

5 Mar 12 at 2:41 pm
Roman Mafiosovich – Thug.

Rabz

5 Mar 12 at 2:44 pm
I will have to start watching the #libspill thread. Someone just claims sources close to Turnbull say he will challenge after the Queensland election. (Seems improbable!)

Turnbull did have a big article in SMH magazine on Saturday, didn’t he?

Insiders talked about the unhappiness about Abbott’s sticking to the wrong policies.

Still – a Turnbull challenge?

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 2:45 pm
Check the donations to the LNP to determine why they rush to protect Big Mining, Big Tobacco, Big Clubs, Big Business. #auspol #fairgo

Australian Labor Party (ALP) 2010 – 2011:
Big Clubs:
Australian Hotels Association (NSW) : $100,000

Big Business:
Hong Kong Kingson Investments: $250,000
Inghams Enterprises Pty Ltd: $250,000
Westfield Limited: $200,000

Big Energy:
Manildra Group: $150,000

And then of course the Labor front groups:

Labor Holdings : $1,900,000.00
John Curtin House Ltd: $1,450,000.00

Fucking delusional.

twostix

5 Mar 12 at 2:46 pm
Jason:

I haven’t worn a ring since the day after my wedding as I don’t like male jewelry.

You really have to be an old poof to notice such a thing. Stepford runs with the story of course.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 2:47 pm
Interesting, given all the Yeti sightings by the Stenographers Guild members in the past 2 weeks, this is what Essential Medis says:

Labor 44% down 1%
Coalition 56% up 1%

Token

5 Mar 12 at 2:52 pm
steve is such an excitable dude isn’t he? particularly about things Abbot-related

jtfsoon

5 Mar 12 at 2:52 pm
Insiders talked about the unhappiness about Abbott’s sticking to the wrong policies.

Still – a Turnbull challenge?

Whatever “wrong” policies Abbott has stuck with, none of them are bad as the Weather Changing Scheme, to which Turnbull is still committed.

Feral Abacus

5 Mar 12 at 2:53 pm
Someone just claims sources close to Turnbull say he will challenge after the Queensland election.

Does your source claim that Turnbull’s a poofter too, Creepy McPervypants?

And why is it only Leftoids on this #libspill hashtag you’re oh-so-subtly spruiking? Don’t you think that’s a little bit transparent?

spot

5 Mar 12 at 2:54 pm
I notice the result from last week has been revised to 44/56 as well.

Looks like the barrackers in the Stenographers Guild will have to work harder selling those crap sandwiches the Green/Labor alliance is trying to give us.

Token

5 Mar 12 at 2:55 pm
steve is such an excitable dude isn’t he? particularly about things Abbot-related

When steve starts to like and defend Abbott then it’s time to get worried.

twostix

5 Mar 12 at 2:56 pm
steve is such an excitable dude isn’t he? particularly about things Abbot-related

Yea particularly about Abbott. He really gets excited about him.

“Oh Look, look Cl, Abbott isn’t wearing a wedding bad”.

Fme.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 2:56 pm
I see that Our Steve isn’t the only homophobic ALP troglodyte who thinks that gays slurs are le ne plus ultra of political ripostes:

Mad Monk seen kissing Mincing Poodle Pine #libspill @alp #auspol

Are you guys all terminal closet cases or something?

spot

5 Mar 12 at 2:59 pm
Insiders talked about the unhappiness about Abbott’s sticking to the wrong policies

Wow stevie, you’ve got it all covered haven’t you?

Tiny Dancer

5 Mar 12 at 3:00 pm
Interesting, given all the Yeti sightings by the Stenographers Guild members in the past 2 weeks, this is what Essential Medis says:

Labor 44% down 1%
Coalition 56% up 1%

hahahahhahahaha

But Michelle Graton (french), Old leather face Barrie Cassidy, Lenny Taylor… the stenographer’s guild…. were all telling us that the Lying Slapper was on the up on Friday because she was seen to make a decision. They were beside themselves applauding the fact the Slapper had made a decision on her own.

So I can’t understand how the polls haven’t moved.

Even Bob Ellis on his blog says that the polls would show a 5point swing to the Alliance on the Bob Carr decision.

What happened fellas?

JC

5 Mar 12 at 3:01 pm
Step… people really don’t like here. They just don’t like you.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 3:03 pm
Yeah, the Laboobs should expect a 140% increase in their vote in NSW on the back of the Carrwreck’s ascension to the cabinet.

Feral Abacus

5 Mar 12 at 3:07 pm
people prefer KRudd to Bob Carr as FM, that’s all there is to it. there are people who actually like kevni.

candy

5 Mar 12 at 3:08 pm
…..there are people who actually like kevni.

Candy, would you make passionate love with him? you seem enchanted with this, this alpha of alpha males.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 3:10 pm
lol… just checked the #libspill thread… As expected, it’s a bunch of lefties saying that Turnbull should be leader because he’s “so much better” – even though, they’ll still vote Labor/Green.

Fleeced

5 Mar 12 at 3:11 pm
After spending two years beating Labor over the head over their kooky weather-changing taxes, the Liberals are just aching to go back to a leader who would eliminate their advantage over the ALP-Green axis and capitulate to their economic nonesense.

Feral Abacus

5 Mar 12 at 3:18 pm
Yeah, the Laboobs should expect a 140% increase in their vote in NSW on the back of the Carrwreck’s ascension to the cabinet.

Indeed what did they think people would say? “By god she’s done it! The magnificent PM Gillard has actually appointed a Foreign Minister. We’ll she’s got my support! Take that Tony Abbott who I was going to vote for but now won’t”.

Just more bizarre wishful thinking by the left.

twostix

5 Mar 12 at 3:18 pm
If Swan really wanted us to have a #FairGo he’d arrange for us all to have union credit cards

Hahaha. Nice one.

spot

5 Mar 12 at 3:19 pm
Candy, would you make passionate love with him? you seem enchanted with this, this alpha of alpha males.

JC, that’s naughty thing to say.

Krudd never got a fair go as PM and nor as FM now, and that’s how many aussies see it and ALP still blinkered to it no matter if they vote liberal like me

candy

5 Mar 12 at 3:20 pm
Jason’s comment about me on this is quite moderately toned, compared to many directed my way of late. I think I’ll start a rumour that it’s because Jason’s heard a rumour about Abbott too.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 3:25 pm
Is that fellow Steve insinuating again that Mr Abbott is a homosexual or that he’s separated from his wife?

Females insinuate, males speak directly, so Mr Steve of Brisbane say what’s on your mind please,
from Candy of Brisbane.

candy

5 Mar 12 at 3:31 pm
2010 Flashback: Kroger says, “Fair Go!” To Kevin

I can’t see “Wayne Swan” and “Fair Go” in the same sentence without thinking of this video.

Fleeced

5 Mar 12 at 3:31 pm
Sorry, To Wayne obviously, not Kevin

Fleeced

5 Mar 12 at 3:32 pm
Jason’s comment about me on this is quite moderately toned, compared to many directed my way of late. I think I’ll start a rumour that it’s because Jason’s heard a rumour about Abbott too.

I am beginning to think that the Sussex Street mafia have upped your monthly rates to troll anti socialist websites.

.

5 Mar 12 at 3:33 pm
If you’re as handsome as I am you must wear a wedding ring. Women these days are like alley cats and the wedding ring is magnificent for fending off their advances.

Infidel Tiger

5 Mar 12 at 3:45 pm
Is that fellow Steve insinuating again that Mr Abbott is a homosexual or that he’s separated from his wife?

That ‘fellow’ or perhaps more aptly that turd steve is always insinuating something or other Candy.

He gets particularly exxcitable by big black jovial men as well as Mr Abbott.

My advice: stay well away from him.

JamesK

5 Mar 12 at 3:49 pm
wedding ring is magnificent for fending off their advances.

Really?

I find it magnetises quite a few of a particular type of woman that I’d prefer stayed away.

JamesK

5 Mar 12 at 3:51 pm
rog said:
The Left was basically a product of Marxism

For that to be true you would have to ignore the French Revolution and it’s consequences – like reforms brought in by nervous whigs.

Posted on 05-Mar-12 at 10:20 am | Permalink

Wodge is becoming quite the historian over at troppo.

Jc

5 Mar 12 at 3:55 pm
Now 49 thinks it’s funny to call Obama the “Preshizzle” because 49 thinks that Obama, as a person of African ancestry, must use language akin to the language of the ghetto culture.

So it’s 49′s little racist joke about the President – basically, 49 is saying Obama is black, so he talks like he’s from the ghetto.

No, cretin, the point is that ivy league golden child would never use such language. It’s not racist, it’s ironic.

You must be pretty desperately losing the debate to play the racist left bower, foshizzle.

Abu Chowdah

5 Mar 12 at 4:15 pm
Is that fellow Steve insinuating again that Mr Abbott is a homosexual or that he’s separated from his wife?

No and no.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 4:20 pm
Men wearing wedding rings has become more popular since the 1920′s & 30′s but was not entirely unknown before that.

badm0f0

5 Mar 12 at 4:21 pm
Unless you’re a tradesman, all married males wear wedding rings these days.

Infidel Tiger

5 Mar 12 at 4:22 pm
No they don’t.

Jc

5 Mar 12 at 4:24 pm
LOL

Political Poet ‏ @PoliticalPoet2

@Prronto #auspol #fairgo – Swanny just jealous because 1 mining magnate has more money in the bank than Australia has under his stewardship!

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 4:29 pm
Now 49 thinks it’s funny to call Obama the “Preshizzle” because 49 thinks that Obama, as a person of African ancestry, must use language akin to the language of the ghetto culture.

Which is an outrageous suggestion.

As Harry Reid pointed out when selling the then presidential candidate to colleagues, Obama is a “light-skinned negro” who didn’t have a “negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.”

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 4:37 pm
CL went to “junior high”? I thought you were Australian.

Abu Chowdah

5 Mar 12 at 4:38 pm
Unless you’re a tradesman, all married males wear wedding rings these days.

Horribly gay trend.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 4:38 pm
CL went to “junior high”? I thought you were Australian.

Good catch Abu.

Kelly of Kenmore

5 Mar 12 at 4:42 pm
No, cretin, the point is that ivy league golden child would never use such language. It’s not racist, it’s ironic.

Nice try, but unfortunately, that’s not the explanation 49 gave.

Here’s what 49 said yesterday:

It’s a word-play on ‘president’ and ‘fizzle’.

As I know you cannot possibly understand such a sophisticated word-play, I’ll explain it.

Odumbugger is in his first job. Remarkably, this is president of the USA. He is a dismal failure, so bad that a new acronym has been coined to describe how bad he is (SCOAMF).

As Paco said, his presidency is described as a ‘fizzle’ even by US leftards. So he combined the words ‘president’ and fizzle’ to reflect this.

So forgive me if I find it hard to understand exactly whether this is supposed to be ironic (as you insist), or a “sophisticated word-play” on the word “fizzle” (as 49 insists), or just a stupid and unfunny racist joke.

(Ok – before the pedants call me out – I know that a joke can’t be stupid and racist, only a person can be stupid and racist. Well, if IQ49′s shoe fits….)

You must be pretty desperately losing the debate to play the racist left bower, foshizzle.

And you must be an hysterical drama queen to thusly characterise what I said.

Here is my conclusion, as expressed in the same comment you snipped from:

It’s not particularly funny or witty, and in the scheme of things it isn’t that big a deal, I guess.

But it does show something about 49′s low-brow sense of humour.

I say it “isn’t that big a deal”; you say I am “pretty desperately losing the debate” and “play[ing] the racist left bower”.

I think you need to calm down, and maybe consult with 49 to get your story straight, since you are coming off as incoherent and hysterical.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 4:44 pm
‘Junior high’ is a perfectly serviceable and useful description of sub-senior.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 4:47 pm
C.L. tell me why 1950s culture is “straight”, where many gay men were openly straight but gay on the DL?

Look there are some nice stylistic stuff from back then but a tasteful, modest amount of bling won’t send you into Stonewall looking for a bear to bend you over…I mean really C.L, why are rings any more gay than a nice watch and cuff links?

.

5 Mar 12 at 4:49 pm
And wearing a wedding ring isn’t emasculating.

Abu Chowdah

5 Mar 12 at 4:49 pm
I too went to a junior high school here is Orstraylia.

.

5 Mar 12 at 4:49 pm
I like a nice watch and cufflinks too. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to put on some aftershave.

Abu Chowdah

5 Mar 12 at 4:50 pm
Coming out of the ’50s, the Temptations were gay, or at least bi, some of them, and they had a gay following. But who knew at the time? They were marketed as chick magnets, which they were too.

Kelly of Kenmore

5 Mar 12 at 5:01 pm
C.L. tell me why 1950s culture is “straight”, where many gay men were openly straight but gay on the DL?

Que?

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 5:04 pm
Regarding the governments new press censorship board:

The inquiry report made it clear that it wanted a board that could act swiftly with almost no possibility of appeal to limit “injury” to the little people by “incorrect” stories.

The question I have: The Craig Thompson case was broken by Fairfax’s SMH. Craig Thompson swore up and down that he ws being defamed, came up with a story, threatened to sue and had his lawyers start procedings against the paper and still refuses to admit that the story was correct. The report makes it clear that it’s designed to protect the “little person” against the big bad news media and it’s beat ups.

Under this new regime, would the story have ever seen the light of day? Would he not have simply been able to put in a complaint that the story was false, and defamatory and that he was suing?

On what grounds would the board find against a paper? It’s made clear that it’s not going to wait around for defamation cases, or indeed even make people have to initiate them (which is given as one of the benefits in the paper – people won’t need to go through the courts to get stories pulled).

How would the board know whether the Craig Thompson story was true or false? FWA still haven’t finished the “investigation”, the inquiry report makes it clear that under such circumstances the board would rule against the paper. Would the board not have to rule against the SMH based on Thompsons denials?

Secondly, the report mentions the board will have power to “investigate” stories. Will this not give the board an extreme amount of power in that it will be able to demand to see reporters sources, reporters notes, etc? A single government entity having access to demand to see all of the news medias notes and sources.

twostix

5 Mar 12 at 5:38 pm
Les

palestinian is not a race*.

Now give it up.

*It’s not even a nationality.

kae

5 Mar 12 at 5:51 pm
That Craig Thomson has not been criminally charged, suspended from parliament let alone sacked, fined or jailed tells you all you need to know about crony capitalism.

Kelly of Kenmore

5 Mar 12 at 5:57 pm
…or crony unionism, perhaps?

Fleeced

5 Mar 12 at 6:01 pm
Well, I assume they’ll be no convincing of CL about this:

Worn by a growing number of straight and gay hubbies-to-be, from the acceptance of a marriage proposal until the wedding, the man-gagement ring (MR) is the very latest in nuptial fashion.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 6:04 pm
Speaking of Bob Ellis, as I was before, I see now that his account of hanging around Canberra for the leadership spill makes for pretty entertaining reading.

It was meant for Unleashed, apparently, but rejected.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 6:40 pm
My, my!

racistkiddie has really been pounding away with a look of furious concentration on his dear chubby little face today.
He’s also typed some of the usual incoherent gibberish.

Shall we take a brief saunter through the bongwater-addled baying-at-the-moon lunacy that is racistkiddieworld?

Yes? So we shall, then.

1117: Yowls about how he regards the term ‘paleosimiam’ as waaaaaycist. But of course he does! He IS a racist himself, and spent hours trawling racist websites to find approval from his fellow racists. In racistkiddieworld, everything’s racist! So when he uses the term it is racist.

On the other hand, I merely use it as a way to insult terrorists as ‘primitive apes’. And yes, racistkiddie, we know you spent hours googling every post of mine you could find, desperately searching for somewhere I had used the term disassociated from terrorists. You did not find any, did you? That’s because none exist. Like I said.

(1120: JC, the term ‘preshizzle’ is used by Paco at Paco Enterprises blog to describe Obama as a ‘presidential fizzle’. It’s a bit more polite than SCOAMF.)

BUT, there’s more!

1128: racistkiddie squeals that the term’s waaaaaycist: being a racist himself, it’s his default position for pretty much everything. Why, he’s just so determined to find out just how waaaaaycist everyone is on the Cat, his little jowls are all-ajubble. Oh, and I think he filled his nappy, too.

Funnily enough, on this planet, Paco’s a yank, and has never had such an accusation levied against him AFAIK.

1131: racistkiddie holds a dear little screechfest about Da Stoopid Palin. Yeah, compared to sitting at home on Monday during a working day posting furiously (Is Centrelink’s racistkiddie’s income source?), being a mayor, Governor and major media figure indicates dumbness. Racistkiddie – a legend in his own lunchtime.

1137 racistkiddie gibbers some useless drivel or other. It’s what he does when he has no answer and less understanding. But it’s definitely waaaaaycist.

1140: racistkiddie’s so stung by a dismissal of his inability to insult properly that he cries about it. Dry your eyes, little one. Its all the fault of waaaaaycists, of course

1152: racistkiddie refuses to answer any serious questions and tries the usual banal bait-and-switch, shift of ground and red herring retarded trolls always think is SO clever. Amusingly, he once again self-beclowns by admitting he’s too poorly educated to understand a rather simple argument. Obviously, waaaaaycism is to blame for this.

A six-post squeal-a-thon. My word, that thar’s some ornery highchair-bangin’. We shall have to fetch him a new rusk.

Dance, my little racistkiddie monkey!
Dance!

Lordy, he just so damned funny.

Mk50 of Brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 7:06 pm
That Craig Thomson has not been criminally charged, suspended from parliament let alone sacked, fined or jailed tells you all you need to know about crony capitalism.

Jellybelly, it actually tells you all you need to know about the ALP. He allegedly stole that money from the poorest paid workers in the health system, was protected by the ACTU and ALP at state and federal level, has allegedly been protected by fellow-union heavies on the board of FWA (three years to investigate fraud? That can be nothing but deliberate) and is being carefully protected by Juliar and her corruptionists.

YOU go and defraud someone of many thousands of dollars and see just how long it takes for you to be up before the beak.

But its SOP for the ALP.

Mk50 of Brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 7:11 pm
Under much questioning, I said it was to do with his heterosexuality.

WHAT?! You couch your inference in such terms and then act outraged that people draw the obvious conclusion that you’re suggesting that Abbott bats for the other team?

If you were hinting about him being unfaithful or that his marriage was on the rocks, why would you use the word “heterosexual”, instead of “nuptial” or “fidelity” or something like along those lines? No, you were deliberately misleading people by using the word “heterosexual”. I have absolutely no doubt that you quite deliberately used the word “heterosexual”, instead of something that would impart your purported meaning more accurately, so that could you turn around and whine about how you’ve been misrepresented and that you’re the messenger being shot. Ridiculous.

Steve, you are a dishonest troll. Why don’t you just fuck off and stop wasting everyone’s time? Seriously.

Oh come on

5 Mar 12 at 7:19 pm
heh.

And Joe Biden also sez that even though he’s black, he’s articulate, and even clean…

I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that’s a storybook, man.

racistkiddie brain-explosion in 5,4,3,2…

Mk50 of Brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 7:20 pm
Note the obligatory Biden “man”.

Oh come on

5 Mar 12 at 7:21 pm
Fathers of other kids etc – evidently pussy-whipped. Men don’t wear wedding rings.

CL: I love your work, but every now and again you talk a lot of shit.

Oh come on

5 Mar 12 at 7:24 pm
Ooooooooh. Mea culpa MK50. How bad am I? Waaaacist to my own true love. Hairy – insult to hirsuite people who mess up white bathrooms; Irish – says it all, outright insult to the bog people who are just misunderstood; and Ape – not even a hominid, just a King Kong sort of guy. Fay Wray has nothing on you, Missy Lizzie.

Off to re-education camp with you Lizzie B. You are a very bad girl. Very bad indeed. Who could love you?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Mar 12 at 7:31 pm
OCO: you are an excitable twit.

I have explained why I used “heterosexuality” – it was because I was quoting myself from a couple of years ago as to how I answered a question as to whether it supposed to be about him being gay.

You got the wrong end of the stick because you didn’t understand the context. I have supplied the context.

I did not express outrage today about this.

I accepted that it was a simple misunderstanding: you read something into it that wasn’t intended.

Easy peasy – now you are free to stop obsessing about me and my e-vil ways.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 7:46 pm
<blockquote>Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said President Barack Obama’s birth certificate is not authentic.

Arpaio revealed the findings of a investigation into the president’s birth certificate at a 1 hour and 20 minute news conference Thursday, calling the certificate “suspect.”

Arpaio’s team of investigators said they found that the long-form birth certificate was created electronically and never existed in paper form.

The president’s Selective Service card was also questioned.

Arpaio’s investigators claimed the document has “failed every test we put it through.”

At Thursday’s news conference, investigators said they will request a criminal investigation. They also said they have identified a person of interest in the forgery of the birth certificate.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 7:50 pm
I have explained why I used “heterosexuality” – it was because I was quoting myself from a couple of years ago as to how I answered a question as to whether it supposed to be about him being gay.

Where, Steve?

Oh come on

5 Mar 12 at 7:57 pm
Gab, those email addresses are broken.

Winston Smith

5 Mar 12 at 7:59 pm
And trust me, I’m not obsessing over you. You’re the one with obsessive tendencies. I mean, has there been a discussion in recent times on the Cat about sexuality, sex, reproductive organs, contraception, abortion etc – that wasn’t initiated by you?

Oh come on

5 Mar 12 at 8:00 pm
OCO – this is going back nearly 2 years ago – Catallaxy threads are not easy to search.

But I recall my answer to the question – was the rumour about him being gay. I answered with words very close to this: “no, it’s definitely to do with his heterosexuality.”

Now move on – you thought you knew what I was implying – but it was a mistake which I calmly corrected today.

Only to have you carry on like a hyperventilating twit about how that couldn’t be what I meant.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 8:14 pm
has there been a discussion in recent times on the Cat about sexuality, sex, reproductive organs, contraception, abortion etc – that wasn’t initiated by you?

Yes. On the weekend, Les brought up the Rush Limbaugh matter; not me.

Next.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 8:16 pm
It was actually being discussed for a few hours before I joined in.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 8:18 pm
Winston which ones?

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 8:18 pm
Yes. On the weekend, Les brought up the Rush Limbaugh matter; not me.

OK, great. I don’t know that for sure, but I’ll take you at your word. So that’s one.

The vast majority are initiated by you, however. And you are always an active participant in such conversations.

Oh come on

5 Mar 12 at 8:21 pm
Gab: bringing birtherism to Catallaxy.

Can’t believe in climate science: can believe an Arizonia sheriff with a dubious history of politically motivated investigations has proved birtherism.

(Predicted response: “I’m not saying I believe it.” In which case, feel free to say “not that I believe it”.)

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 8:24 pm
The birth certificate of US President Barack Obama could be a forgery, a controversial Arizona sheriff claims.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17229009

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 8:25 pm
I don’t know that for sure

So your investigative abilities don’t extend to using a scroll bar in the same thread. Huh.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 8:26 pm
Sahd steve isn’t it time you gave the boss a foot massage?

JamesK

5 Mar 12 at 8:28 pm
Can’t believe in climate science:

I’m not like you. I don’t have to “believe in science”. Science is based in rational, not belief.

But to you climate bedwetters still stuck in the dark ages, science is a “belief” like, say, sacrificing on the altar of the Climate Gods in the hope of a bumper harvest.

Your mouth makes noises but there’s nothing of substance coming out of it, Steve.

The boy clangs on incessantly like a bell already in a storm. Fat lot of good it does.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 8:30 pm
OCO – this is going back nearly 2 years ago – Catallaxy threads are not easy to search.

Oh. My God. You must be joking. So I read your quote, which prima facie implies that Abbott’s a bender in anyone’s language, I’m supposed to understand that in fact you’re not suggesting Abbott’s gay based on a comment you posted on Catallaxy two years ago?

Ok, so this makes you one of two things.

Firstly, you were either slyly trying to infer Abbott was a queer and hoping that you wouldn’t be called on it. And if you were called on your slur, you had a little plan up your sleeve to claim that you had been misunderstood and that some comment you made two years ago made the true meaning of your comment clear and you in fact weren’t casting aspersions about Abbott’s sexuality, despite appearances to the contrary. In this case, you were trolling. Particularly badly. Idiotic, effortlessly exposed trolling.

OR

You are a complete idiot to expect people should recall some comment you made TWO YEARS AGO when they interpret what you write in this thread.

So, you are either a moronic troll or simply a complete moron. Take your pick.

Oh come on

5 Mar 12 at 8:33 pm
So your investigative abilities don’t extend to using a scroll bar in the same thread. Huh.

No, I just can’t be bothered, and even though you are a dishonest little fucker, I am willing to take your word on this rather unimportant point which doesn’t change the original assertion I was making; that on this forum you come across as a creepy, sex-obsessed freak.

Oh come on

5 Mar 12 at 8:36 pm
Fathers of other kids etc – evidently pussy-whipped. Men don’t wear wedding rings.

Where I was raised, men always did, except for when their work meant their fingers were at risk.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 8:41 pm
I’m sorry.

Joe Arpaio is a c**t and I hope he gets prosecuted for his crimes.

.

5 Mar 12 at 8:46 pm
I hope he gets prosecuted for his crimes.

Me too!

In the meantime he’s entertaining and niggling at Barack Hussein. Heh, he can’t be all bad then.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 8:48 pm
The whole Birther issue is a rope-a-dope exercise, (likely initiated by Dem operatives) which is why only dopes bang on about it. I don’t know of any serious conservative/libertarian who gives a shit about it.

Arpaio’s probably trying to flog some life into this dying horse.

It was always a shitty nag anyway, backed mainly by the tinfoil hat crowd.

Oh come on

5 Mar 12 at 8:52 pm
I just laugh at how the BBC have made a deal of it.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 8:53 pm
A leftist SNAG

bwahahaha

Irving J

5 Mar 12 at 8:55 pm
Gab, the two you gave at 1243. In relation to writing a protest note to Canberra Uni.

Winston Smith

5 Mar 12 at 8:56 pm
So, back to Steve – what are you*? A moronic troll or just a complete moron?

*apart from a creepy, sex-obsessed weirdo – that is axiomatic

Oh come on

5 Mar 12 at 8:56 pm
Thanks for the “man-gagement ring” link, Steve.

I’m sure you lament missing the trend.

The article confirms that wedding rings for men were a very recent invention (of American jewellery stores) and were, for a long time, rejected by British and Australian men (for obvious reasons).

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 8:57 pm
Winston, they worked for me. In any case, go to Bunyip’s blog, maybe you’ll have success there.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 8:58 pm
OK, thanks Gab.
Off to the Billabong with Winston…
Wait!
Is the golf course open?
…or the red?

Winston Smith

5 Mar 12 at 9:01 pm
#

A leftist SNAG

Is it my imagination or do most leftard males on radio and TV sound effeminate? Not the older ones like Tony Jones, the younger ones, like on the Drum.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 9:01 pm
OCO, historically I’m right. Wedding rings for men was the idea of canny American jewellers and it was delightfully pushed by American women who wanted to symbolise their control of GI husbands fighting abroad in WWII.

The latest trend – as that article’s expert interviewees attest – is likewise driven by the putative ‘sexism’ of female-only engagement rings (‘why should we women wear of symbol of being owned but not men?’, etc).

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 9:03 pm
You may be right about the history, CL, but things change. To say that “real men don’t wear wedding rings” in this day and age is just empty, macho wank. Sorry, but it is.

Oh come on

5 Mar 12 at 9:06 pm
49

I leave it to others to decide who is acting maturely and who is acting immaturely when infantile drivel like this is the best you can do in response to me:

1128: racistkiddie squeals that the term’s waaaaaycist: being a racist himself, it’s his default position for pretty much everything. Why, he’s just so determined to find out just how waaaaaycist everyone is on the Cat, his little jowls are all-ajubble. Oh, and I think he filled his nappy, too.

But I want to make it clear that I haven’t called anyone a racist, even you. I merely observed that “Paleosimian” is a term of racial abuse. I’m not making a value judgment or expressing an opinion in saying that – I am simply stating a fact.

But hey it’s a free country and its your choice to keep using that word, if you find it amusing.

Finally, I have previously remarked on your inability to form a coherent argument.

Your present collapse into baby-talk makes you sound not just incoherent, but positively demented.

Cheers
Les

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 9:09 pm
* Paul Grabowsky – Director, 2012 Adelaide Festival
* Amanda Vanstone – Former Howard Government Minister (and apparently the ONLY FEMALE member of the Howard cabinet ! )
* Natasha Stott Despoja – One-time Democrats leader
* Mark Steyn – Conservative commentator and writer
* Jianying Zha – Writer and adviser to US President Barack Obama

Q&A tonight, wonder if Jones will let Steyn say more than five words.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 9:14 pm
Prince William does not wear a wedding ring, nor does his grandfather. Prince Charles didn’t either till he married Camilla.

candy

5 Mar 12 at 9:14 pm
OCO: I didn’t realize that someone who reads “it was to do with his heterosexuality” would take it to mean the rumour would be about doubting its nature.

But When you read it that way, I could see how this might be possible, albeit unintended by me.

Hence I calmly explained the misinterpretation.

It’s pretty simple. The explanation does not involve trolling, or anyone being a moron. Now have a good lie down and stop obsessing.

Steve from Brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 9:22 pm
The whole Birther issue is a rope-a-dope exercise, (likely initiated by Dem operatives)

LOL

which is why only dopes bang on about it. I don’t know of any serious conservative/libertarian who gives a shit about it.

Bullshit. It was part of Trump’s shtick and he is the elder statesman / eminence grise of the GOP.

Arpaio’s probably trying to flog some life into this dying horse.

It was always a shitty nag anyway, backed mainly by the tinfoil hat crowd.

Yes, the tea partiers were right behind it weren’t they. Morons.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 9:24 pm
The whole Birther issue is a rope-a-dope exercise, (likely initiated by Dem operatives)

LOL

Dude – the guy who started it wasa registered, long time Democrat, I was suspicious of his “Democrat” affiliation as well.

Bullshit. It was part of Trump’s shtick and he is the elder statesman / eminence grise of the GOP.

He’s not though. He is a whore for money. He needed a new red light.

Yes, the tea partiers were right behind it weren’t they. Morons.

The Tea Party : Democrat Activist moron ratio is a bout 1:3. To be blunt, no.

.

5 Mar 12 at 9:27 pm
In the meantime he’s entertaining and niggling at Barack Hussein. Heh, he can’t be all bad then.

Yes indeed. At a time when the US is at war and in economic, it’s really wonderful that the national discourse is hijacked by imbetards launching frivolous challenges to the President’s constitutional eligibility.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 9:28 pm
Actually Jonathon Holmes speaks in an effeminate manner too. And he’s really old.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 9:28 pm
At a time when the US is at war and in economic, it’s really wonderful that the national discourse is hijacked by imbetards launching frivolous challenges to the President’s constitutional eligibility.

I find it hilarious myself that you lot are discussing the latest birther outbreak.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 9:30 pm
If Trump is the elder statesman / eminence grise of the GOP, why did he donate $50,000 to Rahm Emmanuel’s campaign for Chicago mayor last year, Les?

Eh?

JamesK

5 Mar 12 at 9:31 pm
Bullshit. It was part of Trump’s shtick and he is the elder statesman / eminence grise of the GOP.

Nobody on the right takes Trumpy seriously. Nobody.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 9:32 pm
Nobody on the right takes Trumpy seriously. Nobody.

Hahahahahahahhahahahaha you are an idiot.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 9:37 pm
racistkiddie’s in whining mode:

…I haven’t called anyone a racist…

Don’t you love the way the dullest leftard trolls scuttle into their final hiding place, pedantry and finely defined semantics?

Even by Clintonian standards, this one’s truly pathetic.

Here’s a google search result for the word “Paleosimian”:
…
It’s obviously a term of racial abuse.
…
And you are a supporter of NAMBLA, 49. A paid up subscriber, I’m guessing. You dirty perv.

and:

… I think you should be absolutely free to abuse people racially…

being a leftard, by definition and by your actions you have demonstrated yourself to be a racist and a liar. You’re also a stupid liar, which is entertaining.

Why entertaining? Because you have done your level best to invent, insinuate and impute racially motivated intent to me and others here (and much worse, as the above shows) then pointed to the thinnest tissue of semantics to huff and puff about not doing so.

Yet, you simultaneously claim without a scintilla of evidence, that because various awfuls on the racist websites you seem to frequent are using the same word as I do (exclusively to describe terrorists irrespective of their race) this ‘proves’ your point!

Hey, genius, they use the words ‘the’, ‘and’ and ‘of’ as well. Well, would you look at that! YOU use those same words. By what I laughing describe as your very own ‘reasoning’, that makes you a racist just like them….

racistkiddie, that is the single most spectacularly stupid piece of overweening hypocrisy seen in many a long year.

You are really, really bad at this, aren’t you!

Mk50 of Brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 9:39 pm
I find it hilarious myself that you lot are discussing the latest birther outbreak.

Actually within a few hours of the document being released quite a few Adobe Photshop/illustartor Technical blogs had brought most of this up.

i reaed and saw videos of quite a few.

Severalo do ument experts said a forgery techinically could not be outruled.

I think less technical conserative leaders have successfully killed any further questions until now.

The point is the elecytronic document is in layers and it shouldn’t be.

The reality is that the electronic release wouldn’t be acceptable in a court of law because a forgery can’t be discounted and there’s quite a bit of evidence that it may have been tampered with.

If you ask me Obama did it that way on purpose.

But the birthers were jeered off the stage by conservatives even more so than prior to the release.

The questions if raised in the MSM are gold to the Dems cos they can easily characterise and brushstroke the whole right wing as loons etc.

JamesK

5 Mar 12 at 9:40 pm
If Trump is the elder statesman / eminence grise of the GOP, why did he donate $50,000 to Rahm Emmanuel’s campaign for Chicago mayor last year, Les?

I don’t know. Because he’s erratic and a phoney? You tell me.

Romney was enthusiastically polishing Trump’s knob a couple of weeks ago, that’s for sure.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 9:41 pm
And in other news, GM decide to halt production of exploding ecobuggies

squawkbox

5 Mar 12 at 9:45 pm
49

“Paleosimian” is a term of racial abuse. There is no opinion involved in stating that – it is a fact.

Perhaps it is clear to you that you can use this racially abusive term without having any racist intent.

Perhaps.

But the very simple fact remains that it is a racially abusive term intended to suggest that Palestinian people are sub-human.

I really don’t see how it could be much clearer.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 9:45 pm
Nobody on the right takes Trumpy seriously. Nobody.

Hahahahahahahhahahahaha you are an idiot.

Eh, it’s Romney.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 9:47 pm
Romney was enthusiastically polishing Trump’s knob a couple of weeks ago, that’s for sure.

But did he respect Trumpy in the morning?

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 9:49 pm
“Paleosimian” is a term of racial abuse. There is no opinion involved in stating that – it is a fact.

Palestinian is a political affiliation at most and a location at least. It’s about as “racist” as being biased against Canadians.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 9:51 pm
To say that “real men don’t wear wedding rings” in this day and age is just empty, macho wank. Sorry, but it is.

Nonsense. You’ve clearly been led into the Liberace attitude propagated by American jewellers.

Next you’ll be wearing a tiara.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 9:51 pm
Have the Breitbart tapes made it to the open domain yet?

Winston Smith

5 Mar 12 at 9:52 pm
Next you’ll be wearing a tiara.

If it warms the dear wife’s heart, sure.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 9:53 pm
Oh come on, CL. You mean to tell me if Nigella married you and asked you to wear a wedding ring you’d say ‘no’? Please.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 9:55 pm
It’s about as “racist” as being biased against Canadians.

Sure, and I think people should be free to call Canadians sub-human monkeys, just as I think IQ49 should be free to continue to use the word “Paleosimian”.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 9:57 pm
Another logic fail from wreck. He can’t even distinguish between two entirely different words, namely Palestinian and Paleosimian.

One must therefore deduce wreck is either a moron or a racist. Likely both.

Kelly of Kenmore

5 Mar 12 at 9:57 pm
Yes, the tea partiers were right behind it weren’t they. Morons.

No, you are wrong. The vast majority of TEA Partiers couldn’t give a shit about where Obama was born. Let me give you a little clue what the vast majority of TEA Partiers get excited over: TEA = Taxed Enough Already

It was part of Trump’s shtick and he is the elder statesman / eminence grise of the GOP.

No, you are wrong again. Before his brief flash in the pan this cycle, he was never an influenctial conservative figure, and since then he’s blotted his copybook pretty severely amongst those who may have been open minded to him (ie. those that didn’t write him off as a TV celebrity in the first place) this year. Try again.

Oh come on

5 Mar 12 at 10:01 pm
As a clothing and accoutrement traditionalist C.L, I imagine you think pants are the devil’s work and sport a powdered wig as part of your day to day ensemble?

Infidel Tiger

5 Mar 12 at 10:01 pm
Natasha Snot-Despoiler just said “the gap is rising.”

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 10:03 pm
Gender attacks in politics? Nah, just ask Palin.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 10:11 pm
Canadians are rarely terrorists, racistkiddie.

And it’s refreshing to note that you accord with my demonstrating you to be mendacious, stupid, and a hypocrite.

First shred of honesty I have seen from you.

Mk50 of Brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 10:14 pm
By the looks, CL, exchange of rings has been part of Eastern Orthodox weddings for a long time. Can’t find a good reference for how long, though.

All those men were big Girls, we’re they?

Steve from Brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 10:18 pm
Still awaiting baby arrival, IT?

Steve from Brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 10:22 pm
“Paleosimian” is a term of racial abuse.
…
But the very simple fact remains that it is a racially abusive term intended to suggest that Palestinian people are sub-human.

The only person on this thread who has linked the words together is YOU, racistkiddie.

Not me, not anyone else.

And I know you spent a goodly chunk of time yesterday desperately googling the word and my ‘handle’ to try and find even one occasion where I had NOT used the term paleo (primitive) simian (ape) to as an insult to describe terrorists irrespective of the nationality and/or race of those terrorists. I also know that you failed, because there are no such occasions.

You have also convinced me that there is an even greater value in continuing to use the term to insult terrorists: it clearly trolls left-wing trolls like you (a worthy effect), and clearly forces such trolls to self-identify themselves as racists. As you have.

Thanks!

You’ve handed me a nice new bludgeon to hammer lefties with.

I really don’t see how it could be much clearer.

Mk50 of Brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 10:25 pm
Hells bells. Mark Steyn must be wondering where the hell he is.

What appalling people they’ve got on with him.

Infidel Tiger

5 Mar 12 at 10:25 pm
Oh come on, CL. You mean to tell me if Nigella married you and asked you to wear a wedding ring you’d say ‘no’? Please.

You mean this Nigella?

or this one…?

Winston Smith

5 Mar 12 at 10:25 pm
Yep. 2 more months.

Infidel Tiger

5 Mar 12 at 10:27 pm
He’s used to those odds, IT.
And let’s admit it, there’s really only one functioning intellect among them if you add up the bits.

Winston Smith

5 Mar 12 at 10:28 pm
You bast#@d, Winston! That was cruel.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 10:30 pm
That’s good. The last few weeks are full of anticipation, but once the baby is overdue, every new day delay seems a long time.

Steve from Brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 10:31 pm
Gab vomits, Winston runs off, cackling insanely, pretending to channel steve…

Winston Smith

5 Mar 12 at 10:35 pm
Another logic fail from wreck.

Stop it, you vixen. I’m married.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 10:42 pm
“AmishDude:
Breitbart simply held a mirror up to the Left and they were repulsed by what they saw. And they blamed him for it.”

From Ricochet…
Nicely put.

Winston Smith

5 Mar 12 at 10:43 pm
… once the baby is overdue, every new day delay seems a long time

That depends on how much of the house you’ve got left to paint. Even if not, we found going out to movies, nice restaurants for lunch, etc made the last couple of weeks relatively relaxed (including the 10 days overdue).

badm0f0

5 Mar 12 at 10:44 pm
The little prick Shane Wand is about to be on Lateline.

He’s really funny to watch when he’s trying to make a point. He wiggles that entire puny body. The more jerky the movement the bigger the lie.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 10:45 pm
And I know you spent a goodly chunk of time yesterday desperately googling the word and my ‘handle’ to try and find even one occasion where I had NOT used the term paleo (primitive) simian (ape) to as an insult to describe terrorists

Uh, no. I didn’t spend a single moment doing that.

All I did was type “Paleosimian” into the google search bar and hit return. I then looked at the first few pages of results, all of which were what could probably fairly be described as “hate” sites, and all of which at a glance seemed to use the word “Paleosimian” in its most obvious sense, namely as a term of racial abuse.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 10:45 pm
Sure, and I think people should be free to call Canadians sub-human monkeys, just as I think IQ49 should be free to continue to use the word “Paleosimian”.

Well, we agree on one thing then.

Canadians are…. no wait. Free speech!

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 10:46 pm
The Chinese lady was very miffed when Steyn used her anecdote about porn being used in China to discourage homosexuals to highlight the Dutch porn-versus-Muslims policy.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 10:47 pm
49, for your reference:

http://www.google.com.au/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=paleosimian&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&ei=cadUT58vqfqYBcyi4JQK

That’s the extent of the research I did on your usage of the word “Paleosimian”. That’s all that was necessary.

Like I said, it is a term of racial abuse. I accept you have a right to use it to express yourself.

But it remains a term of racial abuse.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 10:47 pm
“Paleosimian”

This word has been posted and debated for the past week. How long can this bickering go on?

JC

5 Mar 12 at 10:48 pm
This word has been posted and debated for the past week. How long can this bickering go on?

Indefinitely, I would guess.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 10:49 pm
How’s Flannery’s house going anyone know?

JC

5 Mar 12 at 10:50 pm
Going private for the birth, IT? Only problem is, Mum doesn’t usually want to leave if private room is too nice. Especially with second baby….

Steve from Brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 10:50 pm
I encourage anyone who is interested to repeat the research I undertook.

Go to google.com and enter “Paleosimian”.

Form your own view as to whether it is a term of racial abuse.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 10:51 pm
How’s Flannery’s house going anyone know?

Given the seas aren’t rising I’d say he’s okay. But I think the drought is killing him.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 10:51 pm
“Paleosimian”

Oh dear, a rather ugly play on the word ‘Palestinian’. I see what kind of site this is now.
Can anybody say “white supremacist”?

Sally Sunshine

5 Mar 12 at 10:52 pm
I think I just learned more about you fellows than I want to.

Sally Sunshine

5 Mar 12 at 10:53 pm
This word has been posted and debated for the past week. How long can this bickering go on?

I assume that’s a rhetorical question, JC?

You know the answer. You’ve seen this before.

It’s going to go on until IQ49 admits he is wrong and I am right, apologises, and asks my forgiveness.

Until that happens, I shall continue to have my pleasure with the pompous old fart.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 10:53 pm
Seeing that the Palestinians aren’t a separate race, I’d say no, Les.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 10:53 pm
I encourage anyone who is interested to repeat the research I undertook.

Go to google.com and enter “Paleosimian”.

Form your own view as to whether it is a term of racial abuse.

Like I said, odd definition of race. But then I don’t go ’round calling everyone who speaks German “kraut”, so I guess you have half a point, as much as I disagree. I’ll leave you to your mk50 bromance.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 10:54 pm
Fuck I hate Wand. Look at him jerking around. He’s such a worthless oxygen thief.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 10:54 pm
I shall continue to have my pleasure with the pompous old fart.

If only this hadn’t happened while I was typing I would now be acclaimed as a prophet.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 10:56 pm
Going private for the birth, IT?

Yep.

In the private system mum gets 2-4 days minimum to rest up. In the public hospitals there are signs everywhere informing mums that if they gave birth in the morning, they must be out by the following arvo.

The quality of care is amazing in both.

Infidel Tiger

5 Mar 12 at 10:56 pm
Drinking a shot of scotch every time he says “Fairgo”.

He’s a repugnant and whiney little turd of a man who ends his sentences with an upward inflection.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 10:56 pm
Look, I’m agnostic as to whether the Palestinian people are a distinct “race”. I’m not even really sure what the word “race” means in that context.

But the word “Paleosimian” is certainly intended to be abusive and derogatory of a group of people on the basis of their ethnicity or nationality or whatever. I think it’s fair to describe it as a term of racial abuse.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 10:58 pm
Even Leftie Alberici is getting stuck in to the little prick. Everyone hates him except his inbred faction and union pals.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 10:58 pm
But the word “Paleosimian” is certainly intended to be abusive and derogatory of a group of people on the basis of their ethnicity or nationality or whatever. I think it’s fair to describe it as a term of racial abuse.

Drop the support of the murdering bastards of Hamas and Hezbollah and be treated civily. Furthermore it isn’t a racial slur.

It is a slur against a wannabe nation state that makes poor choices.

.

5 Mar 12 at 11:02 pm
So – start of May IT? Our baby is due start of July. Personally I’m glad we’re having the flood now and not right when the baby is due to land.

Tim Quilty

5 Mar 12 at 11:03 pm
Go Alberici! Keep him talking as he digs himself a deeper hole. Fuck I hate that little prick!

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 11:03 pm
I think I just learned more about you fellows than I want to.

Damn straight. Les lift your game you’re dragging the tone of the whole place down.

twostix

5 Mar 12 at 11:04 pm
Pardon my language.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 11:04 pm
Too true. The Republican candidates need to start dressing like they might win.

Personally, I think blue jeans on an older man look ridiculous—the French call it vieux jeune homme, which literally means “old young guy”—but that’s a separate issue.

Correct. Especially if they have creases ironed in.

Infidel Tiger

5 Mar 12 at 11:13 pm
Can anybody say “white supremacist”?

Fuckwit, Semitic peoples are Caucasian, to wit, “race” is an outmoded paradigm subsumed by gene expression.

.

5 Mar 12 at 11:14 pm
Does Mitt put creases in his magic underpants?

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:14 pm
But the word “Paleosimian” is certainly intended to be abusive and derogatory of a group of people on the basis of their ethnicity or nationality or whatever. I think it’s fair to describe it as a term of racial abuse.

It’s clear that it’s derogatory, yes, and personally I’d avoid it for that, and for the implications of sub-humanity. While I am sympathetic to the idea that terrorists are sub-human, sadly, it’s wrong. They’re human, as were, say, the Nazis.

My point is that the allegation of “racism”* is serious and specific; I dislike the term Mk50 used, but Palestine is an amorphous concept and Palestinian must cover three or more distinct cultural groups if it is to mean anything at all.

Palestine is historically an arbitrary outline on a British Imperial map, and contains in terms of ethnicities Arab, Israeli, and Greek, and culturally, two strands of Islam, two strands of Judaism, and at least three major and very foreign (to the West and to each other) strands of Christianity.

Mk50 is well aware of these and comments on them fairly regularly; it would be wildly self-contradictory for him to refer to ethnic Arab Sunni and ethnic Arab Maronites as a single block, either racial or cultural.

*Quote marks for grammar, not for dramatic effect.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 11:19 pm
Mormons and magic underpants?

Sorry I don’t get it but I don’t mind stupid people if they are non violent.

.

5 Mar 12 at 11:19 pm
Drop the support of the murdering bastards of Hamas and Hezbollah and be treated civily. Furthermore it isn’t a racial slur.

It is a slur against a wannabe nation state that makes poor choices.

Well, at least you are honest about your stereotyping of the Palestinian people, unlike IQ49 who insists it is a mere coincidence – a total unexpected coincidence! – that his fave word happens to be a term of racial abuse.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:19 pm
Simian is a fancy way to say ‘monkey’. Brown people aren’t monkeys, and they are not less evolved. Get out and meet some and you’ll see.

Sally Sunshine

5 Mar 12 at 11:20 pm
Gillard’s office is behind Swan’s new communism.

It follows, ineluctably, that the whole thing will crash and burn.

I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Nicola Roxon announced next week that contraception will henceforth be compulsorily ‘free.’

Some bird from Emily’s List – an antipodean Fluke – might even be carried into Senate Estimates on a bed-sum-sedia gestatoria to sob about the penury into which Tony Abbott is forcing her to live, thanks to pricey pills and a ‘relationship’ with dozens of admirers.

They’re shadowing the stunts and talking points of the lunatic Obama administration.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 11:20 pm
The US media is suddenly interested in Rebpublican fashion. The Washington Times writes about Santorum:

Meanwhile, Mr. Santorum’s dowdy woolen vest may be appropriate to lead the homeowners association, but it’s not appropriate to lead the most powerful nation in the world. Indeed, one begins to wonder just what job Mr. Santorum is pursuing. The public is most familiar with his views on issues such as contraception, higher education, and the separation of church and state — and his sweater vests. Is he running for president or father in chief?

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 11:21 pm
Any ideas about how to match Trump’s Les-asserted GOP eminence grise status and donations to Senate Majority Leader Democrat Harry Reid successful 2010 campaign, an election widely believed that he might lose, Les?

JamesK

5 Mar 12 at 11:22 pm
Brown people

RACIST!

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 11:22 pm
“Fuckwit, Semitic peoples are Caucasian, to wit, “race” is an outmoded paradigm subsumed by gene expression.”

Is that like saying “I can’t be racist since there’s no such thing as race?” You deserve stocks and tomatoes. Then social ostracision for your hatred of brown people.

Sally Sunshine

5 Mar 12 at 11:23 pm
I wish I didn’t have to stereotype the Palis.

I feel for them. But what “choice” they have when the two ruling parties (backed by two separate foreign powers) enforce “elections” at gunpoint?

The short version: they’re fucked and the ruling class imposes a fucked up culture on them, totally worthy of derision as uncivilised and deplorable.

.

5 Mar 12 at 11:23 pm
My point is that the allegation of “racism”* is serious and specific; I dislike the term Mk50 used, but Palestine is an amorphous concept and Palestinian must cover three or more distinct cultural groups if it is to mean anything at all.

Palestine is historically an arbitrary outline on a British Imperial map, and contains in terms of ethnicities Arab, Israeli, and Greek, and culturally, two strands of Islam, two strands of Judaism, and at least three major and very foreign (to the West and to each other) strands of Christianity.

Mk50 is well aware of these and comments on them fairly regularly; it would be wildly self-contradictory for him to refer to ethnic Arab Sunni and ethnic Arab Maronites as a single block, either racial or cultural.

*Quote marks for grammar, not for dramatic effect.

I don’t disagree with much of that, but it doesn’t change my point that “Paleosimian” is an abusive and derogatory term used to describe a specific group of people.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:23 pm
Sally,

Honest question.

Are you a looker? If you are then post any dumb headed shit you like, as you’ve been doing all day.

However if you’re not please cease and desist.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 11:24 pm
Sally,

Fuck you. Playing the race card. You are a throwback to a long haired Dave Grohl.

.

5 Mar 12 at 11:25 pm
Gab, I’ve never see you so angry.

You really don’t like the Swanster.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 11:26 pm
Any ideas about how to match Trump’s Les-asserted GOP eminence grise status and donations to Senate Majority Leader Democrat Harry Reid successful 2010 campaign, an election widely believed that he might lose, Les?

JamesK, Trump is probably the single greatest intellectual heavyweight in the modern GOP.

Show him some respect, even if not the fawning adulation that Romney showers upon him.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:27 pm
Les has probably heard about what happened to Tillman here once, and wonders why MK50 gets a pass for paleosimian.

steve from brisbane

5 Mar 12 at 11:27 pm
More people rocking the sweater vest thanks to Rick Santorum

Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum deploys the potent force of the sweater vest.

Since he began wearing the sleeveless knitwear during meet-ups with voters, Santorum seems to have attained the kind of superhuman strength normally reserved for high-school geeks who are bitten by radioactive spiders. The former 98-pound political weakling swept three state primaries Jan. 7. Polls show him in a dead heat with GOP rival Mitt Romney heading into Tuesday’s primary in the latter’s home state of Michigan.

Chances are, Santorum will march into battle armored in one of his red, blue or gray sweater vests.

Ditto for the April 24 primary in Pennsylvania, where Democratic operatives are bracing for a wild and woolly contest.

“I can imagine as we get closer to the April 24 primary, we might have to reconsider our office dress code and ban the sweater vest in the Pennsylvania Democratic Party offices,” says Mark Nicastre, state Democratic Party spokesman.

The origins of Santorum’s super-sweater date to last year, when he wore one at a forum in Des Moines during the run-up to the Iowa caucuses. He stood apart from most of the other candidates, who wore suits. A gimmick was born. Pundits, bloggers and late-night talk-show hosts fed the buzz. Staffers began wearing sweater vests embroidered with the campaign logo.

Santorum’s sweater vest has its own Facebook page, Twitter feed @FearRicksVest and a YouTube video, “Sleeves Slow Me Down.”

JamesK

5 Mar 12 at 11:27 pm
“Sally, Fuck you. Playing the race card.”

No, Mr Somebody. You played the race card when you described those unfortunate enough to be born inside the borders of Palestine as less evolved, and monkeys. You’re a racist and you should just admit it.

Sally Sunshine

5 Mar 12 at 11:28 pm
I did apologise for my language, CL But not the sentiment

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 11:29 pm
JamesK, Trump is probably the single greatest intellectual heavyweight in the modern GOP.

ha. Everyone single one went through college and university without affirmative action programs bulking up the entry scores. Please.

They are each mountains smarter than Odumbo.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 11:29 pm
I don’t disagree with much of that, but it doesn’t change my point that “Paleosimian” is an abusive and derogatory term used to describe a specific group of people.

True. But Catholics being “micks” isn’t racist, either. Nor country people being “rednecks”, distasteful as I find it, being a country person.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 11:29 pm
Austrlaia is an amorphous concept and Australian must cover a multitude of distinct cultural groups if it is to mean anything at all.

Australia is historically an arbitrary outline on a British Imperial map, and contains in terms of ethnicities Arab, Israeli, and Greek, and culturally, two strands of Christianity, two strands of Judaism, and at least three major and very foreign (to the West and to each other) strands of Christianity.

And some anglos and papists as well. How Australosimian!

Max Scream

5 Mar 12 at 11:30 pm
Presidential gravitas:

Is Barack Obama Back to His Mom Jeans?

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 11:30 pm
Mk50 is well aware of these and comments on them fairly regularly; it would be wildly self-contradictory for him to refer to ethnic Arab Sunni and ethnic Arab Maronites as a single block, either racial or cultural

But 49 is wildly self-contradictory.

Consider this pearler from 49 on February 16:

With airpower, that perfect defensive terrain can be unkeyed. because mountainous nations have grave strategic problems in the face of superior airpower. it’s fast, easy and cheap to cut their internal transport system to pieces.

which was followed up exactly two days later with this:

We have not even used the term ‘airpower’ in isolation, as you do, for over twenty years, and it was replaced completely in our lexicons fifteen or so years ago

Incoherence and wild contradiction are 49′s stock in trade. He is a blithering nincompoop of the first order.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:31 pm
Sally,

this is what Dot said:

I wish I didn’t have to stereotype the Palis.

I feel for them. But what “choice” they have when the two ruling parties (backed by two separate foreign powers) enforce “elections” at gunpoint?

The short version: they’re fucked and the ruling class imposes a fucked up culture on them, totally worthy of derision as uncivilised and deplorable.

Are you on some sort of hallucinate? And please answer the earlier question.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 11:31 pm
No, Mr Somebody. You played the race card when you described those unfortunate enough to be born inside the borders of Palestine as less evolved, and monkeys. You’re a racist and you should just admit it.

No you post op freak I said they were uncivilised because they were oppressed by a murderous thugs with a sick culture and foreign backers.

Fuck off you swine.

.

5 Mar 12 at 11:31 pm
No, Mr Somebody. You played the race card when you described those unfortunate enough to be born inside the borders of Palestine as less evolved

Ahh, sally? That’s not what happened. Please stay out of the argument.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 11:32 pm
Les has probably heard about what happened to Tillman here once, and wonders why MK50 gets a pass for paleosimian.

Yep.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:32 pm
Well Trump did the last minute dirty on Newt Gingrich a couple of weeks ago and endorsed Mittens when Newt was already promised.

What deal did the Trumpster make with Mittens to effect that change of heart, Les?

JamesK

5 Mar 12 at 11:32 pm
Are they paleosimians, then? That’s the word I was objecting to. It means unevolved monkey.

Sally Sunshine

5 Mar 12 at 11:33 pm
Please. Dress sense is the least of the problem.

Anyone that rides a bike like this one should be sent to Gitmo.

http://ll-media.essence.com/archive/president-obama-malia-bike-ride-475.jpg

JC

5 Mar 12 at 11:34 pm
Les, c’mon. That big girly-fight between you and Mk50 over the sufficiency and definition of air power is embarrassing the rest of us.

Please fight over something less stupid.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 11:34 pm
What deal did the Trumpster make with Mittens to effect that change of heart, Les?

Well, we know Romney didn’t sell his soul because he doesn’t have one.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:35 pm
It means unevolved monkey.

No Sally, it means you are an under evolved human. Go away or answer the questions.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 11:35 pm
Daily Caller has some clips:

Calling a woman a rude name is wrong, unless you really don’t like her.

And she’s a Republican.

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 11:36 pm
Hey CL….just a question.

If Nigella married you and she asked you to wear a wedding ring, would you say no?

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 11:36 pm
Whey can’t everyone just learn to accept and tolerate people who look different and are born in different places? The world would be so much better.

Sally Sunshine

5 Mar 12 at 11:36 pm
Les, c’mon. That big girly-fight between you and Mk50 over the sufficiency and definition of air power is embarrassing the rest of us.

Well, it’s really more about 49′s post-modern predilection for assigning whatever meaning to words suits his purpose. He is very shifty, as well as a dumbarse.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:36 pm
Les, c’mon. That big girly-fight between you and Mk50 over the sufficiency and definition of air power is embarrassing the rest of us.

Well, it’s really more about 49′s post-modern predilection for assigning whatever meaning to words suits his purpose. He is very shifty, as well as a dumbarse.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:36 pm
where is that pompous old knob-end 49 anyway? I hope I didn’t scare him away.

Les Majesty

5 Mar 12 at 11:37 pm
But Catholics being “micks” isn’t racist, either. Nor country people being “rednecks”, distasteful as I find it, being a country person.

No it isn’t racism but it is bigotry.

badm0f0

5 Mar 12 at 11:37 pm
Fvck off SS

JamesK

5 Mar 12 at 11:38 pm
What questions?

Poor Palestinians who have no choice about where they are born, are being denigrated with this filthy term of abuse.

Sally Sunshine

5 Mar 12 at 11:38 pm
Whey can’t everyone just learn to accept and tolerate people who look different and are born in different places? The world would be so much better.

sally, listen to this and then go to bed please.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 11:38 pm
Whey can’t everyone just learn to accept and tolerate people who look different and are born in different places? The world would be so much better.

Good question. Wish I had the answer.

Gab

5 Mar 12 at 11:43 pm
That reminds me. We haven’t been entertained by the Pali sisters for a while.

I love the catchy little tune. The lug on the right looks like Greg Combet in drag. She’s a dead ringer. In fact if Combet was a woman he’d look like her.

JC

5 Mar 12 at 11:47 pm
Sally

Whey can’t everyone just learn to accept and tolerate people who look different and are born in different places?

Ask Hamas the same question. My position on the permanent Middle-East crisis is determined by the degree to which any given group is willing to follow the principles you have articulated.

Les

Well, it’s really more about 49′s post-modern predilection for assigning whatever meaning to words suits his purpose.

Meh. A little post-modernism never hurt anyone.

Mofo

No it isn’t racism but it is bigotry.

In my example, yes. Absolutely. My contention is that there’s a question as to whether Mk50′s usage was bigotry on the one hand, or denigration of the perpetrators of terrorist violence on the other. I wouldn’t have used the terms he used because of the possible inference of bigotry; but his defence has some credibility given his purported views on the situation in Palestine.

wreckage

5 Mar 12 at 11:49 pm
If Nigella married you and she asked you to wear a wedding ring, would you say no?

I’d tell her I’d prefer not to and ask her why it was important to her. If she was passionate about the issue, I’d probably keep her happy.

It’s a hard voice to turn down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtS2Ikk7A9I

C.L.

5 Mar 12 at 11:54 pm
Well, we know Romney didn’t sell his soul because he doesn’t have one.

A conservative, a moderate & a liberal walk into a bar.
Bartender says “Hi Mitt!”

badm0f0

5 Mar 12 at 11:59 pm
Hey. Who’s this Sally Sunshine chucklehead when heshe’s at home, and where did Marybob go?

MARYBOB COME BAAAAACK!!!!

If Sally Sunshine has you locked in her basement, try to get word out to us somehow and we’ll stage a rescue mission.

spot

6 Mar 12 at 12:00 am
You’re such a softie, CL.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 12:01 am
A conservative, a moderate & a liberal walk into a bar.
Bartender says “Hi Mitt!”

I’m starting to like him. It’s about time we conservative moderate liberals had a voice on the world stage.

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 12:02 am
Romney will defeat odumbo is my guess. Odumbo is polling 43% approval rating, which is not what you want to go into an election with. The undecideds will break for Romney a they always do against the incumbent.

Even if the economy get better Odumbo will lose.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 12:08 am
Monkeys, apes & pigs. Oh my.

None of it particularly edifying.

But there ya go.

spot

6 Mar 12 at 12:09 am
“Vested interests” are only evil when they disagree with the left. Isn’t that right Wayne Swan?

NTERNET entrepreneur Graeme Wood has again entered the realm of public debate, emerging as the key bankroller of Monica Attard’s new online journalism venture. Crikey can reveal the Wotif.com founder, whose personal wealth is valued at about $372m, has provided the seed money for The Global Mail, set to launch in January or February next year … In the lead-up to last year’s federal election the philanthropist flicked the Greens a cool $1.6m to fund prime-time TV ads, the biggest political donation in Australian history.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 12:24 am
Nizzle pizzle whizzle fizzle. Bizzle krizzle mizzle shadizzle. Dizzle kizzle preshizzle fo’ tizzle.

So shizzle ma dizzle, mizzle fizzle. It ain’t rizzle, dawg. Know what I’m sayin’?

Go vajazzle yourself, Les.

spot

6 Mar 12 at 12:25 am
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/in-waynes-world-its-ok-to-be-rich-so-long-as-you-think-the-right-that-is-the-left-way/story-fn72xczz-1226289847292

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 12:25 am
Australia is historically an arbitrary outline on a British Imperial map, and contains in terms of ethnicities Arab, Israeli, and Greek, and culturally, two strands of Christianity, two strands of Judaism, and at least three major and very foreign (to the West and to each other) strands of Christianity.

Arab, Israeli and Greek? What does that post even goddamned well mean? Is that a definitive list of some sort??

Make sense man!

twostix

6 Mar 12 at 12:29 am
Wayne Swan caught lying.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 12:31 am
Mr Swan blasted “the greed of a wildly irresponsible few” as he blamed magnates for using their wealth to distort the policy debate on the carbon tax and mining tax.

The Treasurer added media proprietor John Singleton to his targets by attacking him for hiring conservative radio hosts at Melbourne radio station MTR, which closed last week.

So who’s on the list now?

Abbott
Rudd
Murdoch
Bolt
Palmer
Rhinehart
Singleton
News Ltd
Banks
People with health insurance
Millionaires
Billionaires
Parents with kids in private school
Mining companies
Western Australia
Glen Milne

Anybody else?

twostix

6 Mar 12 at 12:37 am
Two year plan to bring down the coal industry by Greenpeace, Wotif guy Graeme Wood and director of the Australia Institute Sam Hardy.

Talk about money and influence and vested interests, Wayne Swam? Eh?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/coal-activists-strategy-exposed/story-e6frg9df-1226289933461

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 12:45 am
Shayne Swum, lol

.

6 Mar 12 at 12:56 am
Swami Shayne.

spot

6 Mar 12 at 1:54 am
I’d tell her I’d prefer not to and ask her why it was important to her. If she was passionate about the issue, I’d probably keep her happy.

It’s a hard voice to turn down:

There ya go, champ.

Abu Chowdah

6 Mar 12 at 2:23 am
BREITBART IS HERE. Love the pics.

Also: “I bought a dog whistle… I bought a dog whistle FACTORY” | @MisfitPolitics http://j.mp/yC5yfP #iamandrewbreitbart #vetthepress #war

spot

6 Mar 12 at 2:32 am
Nonsense. You’ve clearly been led into the Liberace attitude propagated by American jewellers.

Next you’ll be wearing a tiara.

Lift your game, CL. Granted, the Liberace reference was funny the first time you used it, but now it’s stale. And if you want to find Liberace-style chunky bling, you need look no further than what the Boss at the Vatican wears. Just sayin’. Somehow, I’m guessing you don’t find that particular ring girly. Again, just sayin’.

So if you think the Pope’s ring isn’t unmanly, I don’t see how you could consider a thick, plain band to be. Personally I prefer white gold/platinum. I find gold a little cheesy. Besides, I have a silver watch – again, gold=cheesy.

Now, as for stones. Men shouldn’t wear stones. Anywhere, ever. (Although possessing them is probably important – pace CL, I believe that even men who wear wedding rings have a pair.) I’m fairly conservative when it comes to jewellery; watch and a wedding ring and that’s it.

Oh come on

6 Mar 12 at 2:48 am
I have a friend who wears a ruby ring with a diamond either side supported by mermaids crafted into the band. You can’t see them except up close. It was a gift from a New York mob guy and no way would you ever call these guys effeminate or pussy whipped.

Me, I prefer a platinum band.

Abu Chowdah

6 Mar 12 at 2:57 am
But When you read it that way, I could see how this might be possible, albeit unintended by me.

Hence I calmly explained the misinterpretation.

It’s pretty simple. The explanation does not involve trolling, or anyone being a moron. Now have a good lie down and stop obsessing.

No, Steve. From anyone but you I might accept that it was just an innocent mistake, implausible as that may sound (who quotes themselves from two years ago and expects others to get the reference?). But you – you have serious form when it comes to this kind of thing. Oh, yes you do.

Nope, I don’t accept your explanation. You either you chose your words carefully – in a moronically hamfisted attempt at trolling – and I consider this to be the much more likely scenario. Alternatively, you chose them carelessly; in which case you’re just a moron if you didn’t comprehend the natural implication of what you were writing (although the more I think about this possibility, the less likely I consider it to be).

Nah, my money’s on the cheap, sleazy implication of Abbott’s homosexuality, and then the hamfisted denial because the context should be evident from a comment you made two years ago.

Oh come on

6 Mar 12 at 3:30 am
Women these days are like alley cats and the wedding ring is magnificent for fending off their advances.

Hahaha IT I remember you claiming something similar a while back (“scares away the skanks”, I think you said), however I have to concur with JamesK’s assessment to the contrary.

It was a gift from a New York mob guy and no way would you ever call these guys effeminate or pussy whipped.

Well, yes, our southern European friends have a different concept about such things. JC is clearly the exception that proves the rule.

Me, I prefer a platinum band.

Yep, me too. And never gold. You keep gold in a safe, you don’t wear it.

Oh come on

6 Mar 12 at 3:47 am
Don’t get so angry about trivia, OCO.

Wedding rings for Anglophone men was invented by American jewellers in the 1920s and popularised (under orders from women) in the war years. It never caught on in Britain and Australia where it was regarded as womanish and unmanly. Later it did, of course, in the sillier years of modernity. But it’s not a ‘tradition’ I have much time for and wouldn’t personally adopt it.

Prince William did the right thing.

….a friend who wears a ruby ring with a diamond either side supported by mermaids crafted into the band…

Speaking of Liberace!

C.L.

6 Mar 12 at 4:22 am
Don’t get so angry about trivia, OCO.

It’s not the trivia (which is interesting but immaterial in a modern-day context). It’s the blatant assertion that a man who wears a simple wedding band is unmanly, and is to be compared to Liberace.

That’s just rank idiocy of the calibre I’d expect to hear from the Catallaxy trolls who say stuff simply to get a rise out of people.

Oh come on

6 Mar 12 at 5:01 am
It’s CL’s blind spot. In many other regards he is on the money OCO.

But you had a swingeing hit with the dig about the pope’s bling. He wouldn’t have liked that!

Abu Chowdah

6 Mar 12 at 7:01 am
The only serious argument against wearing a wedding band is a glove avulsion. See for example, James Hall’s great novel “Under Cover of Daylight”. Of course, this argument does not apply to a sedentary office bound person like CL. It’s relevant to someone in the field like me, but I like to live on the edge. Now where did I leave my aftershave?

Abu Chowdah

6 Mar 12 at 7:03 am
Oh Lord. Swan’s on morning teev. Urgh! Dreadful way to start the day listening to an angry little man.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 7:11 am
I’m just glad I wasn’t born into the Berber or Beja tribe, as the wedding ring is worn in the nose by brides! And the larger the ring, the wealthier the man.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 7:17 am
My contention is that there’s a question as to whether Mk50′s usage was bigotry on the one hand, or denigration of the perpetrators of terrorist violence on the other. I wouldn’t have used the terms he used because of the possible inference of bigotry; but his defence has some credibility given his purported views on the situation in Palestine.

For that to work, it would have to be a play on the word “Hamas” or something like that, rather than on “Palestinian”, which catches everyone in the net. I actually agree with the trolls on this one. It seems pretty clearly to me like a racist word.

daddy dave

6 Mar 12 at 8:06 am
My father never wore a wedding ring.

I half-heartedly made the effort when I first got married but gave it up after a while. Jewelry in general, to me, seems like more of a female thing, and rings are no exception.

daddy dave

6 Mar 12 at 8:09 am
I guess I’m with CL on wedding rings. And let’s admit it, you’ve got to admire a guy who flagrantly defies the ‘tradition’ and goes ringless, like Prince William.

daddy dave

6 Mar 12 at 8:15 am
I agree, Daddy Dave. My ex returned from a trip to Italy sporting a gold chain bracelet (apparently de rigueur for men in Italy). I quickly relieved him of that burden.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 8:17 am
I love your new avatar Gab

Token

6 Mar 12 at 8:35 am
I actually agree with the trolls on this one.

What trolls? I resemble that remark.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 8:35 am
Re the twosticks list comment at 12.37

First they came to get the mining magnates.

Rafe

6 Mar 12 at 9:07 am
Tim Blair reports that at long last one of Tim Flannery’s predictions has come to pass.

GAIA GAINS CONSCIOUSNESS, ABS

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 9:18 am
Rush Limbaugh story is still running in the US (she appeared on The View; Limbaugh spent time explaining his apology on his show) and sites like Hot Air still attracting comments like this:

Obviously it changes nothing.

She still is fugly.
She still wants free birth control, even though she’s just a liberal shill for the ’cause’.

And most obviously, she’s still a whore.

Yay for the Right…[sarc].

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 9:21 am
She’s a whore.

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6 Mar 12 at 9:30 am
Tony Windsor. Now there’s a big fat whore pimping his arse to the lying slapper and mad Bob Brown.

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6 Mar 12 at 9:31 am
Donald Trump complains about George Will’s comment that the Republican’s may as well give up on winning the Presidency this time around:

“I think he’s a totally overrated fool. I think this guy is so overrated. I don’t think he’s really smart, he looks smart with the little glasses and hair swept to the side,” Trump said on “Fox & Friends.”

Amusing that Trump notices hair styles and whether they make one look smart.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 9:32 am
Are you a single man, dot?

I’d like to see your profile on RSVP:

“Needs woman who understands how ANGRY the world can make a man. Fools, sluts and whores need not apply.”

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 9:34 am
Yay for the Right…[sarc].

lol, you’re a bit of a nutter steve.

twostix

6 Mar 12 at 9:35 am
#NewTone! #Civility!

Liberal Radio Host Says God Is Smashing Bible-Thumping Tornado Victims Into Little Grease Spots

Hey there, liberal outrage brigadiers! It sure was fun going after Rush Limbaugh for using the word “slut” in reference to the arguments of a professional leftist agitator, even though he never actually called her one. Here’s your new boycott target: liberal radio host Mike Malloy.

Their God, if this is the way they want to look at it, keeps smashing them into little grease spots on the pavement, in Alabama, in Mississippi, Arkansas, Georgia and Oklahoma, you know the bible belt.. where they ain’t gonna let no g*dd*mn science get in the way, it says in the bible blah blah blah, so according to their way of thinking, y’know, God with his omnipotent thumb, and so far tonight, has smashed so far 20 people on highway 12, or whatever the hell highway they live next to..

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Yay for the Left…[sarc]

sdog

6 Mar 12 at 9:37 am
No one listens to liberal radio, so it doesn’t matter, spot…

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 9:39 am
I think Terry McCran decides to get in before Finkelstine and the other Conroy lictors put the muzzle on the media:

Forget about the press holding politicians accountable. Forget about speaking truth to power.

To Riley, it’s more the case that the press should be a conduit of UNtruth from those in power.

Gillard’s response was breathtaking and beautifully unknowing, as every word – every word – she has uttered on the subject of climate change and her carbon tax is crap, crap and more crap.

If the media took her at her literal instruction – if the media was capable of taking her at her instruction – it would only “stop writing crap” by describing all she said about climate change and the dreaded, evil, carbon, as, “that’s crap, prime minister, crap, crap, crap.”

Everything she said, and everything her climate change minister Greg Combet and her treasurer and deputy Swan also said about climate change and ‘carbon.’ Further, the media should not only be labelling everything they said as “crap, crap, crap,” not simply untruths, but deliberate lies designed specifically to deceive.

Token

6 Mar 12 at 9:39 am
Donald Trump is a chucklehead, Steve.

sdog

6 Mar 12 at 9:39 am
Steve – no one cares what you think.

You’re a penis obsessed house husband.

You lose by default.

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6 Mar 12 at 9:40 am
Limbaugh:

“Now, this ginned up birth control crisis just shows there’s literally nothing the Democrats and conservative catholic steve – my nemesis in Australia – will not use for political gain to advance ~~their~~ any leftist agenda.

~~They’re~~ Leftists are the ones who have no respect for women or for human life or for anything. This woman is being used. Do you realize at the end of the day what’s happening here, the Democrats (cheered on by c-c steve) are putting on parade a woman who is happily presenting herself as an immoral, baseless, no-purpose-to-her-life woman.

She wants all the sex in the world, whenever she wants it, all the time. No consequences. No responsibility for her behaviour.

That is what the Democrats and steve consider a great example of citizenship, an oppressed victim of something.

She’s a typical liberal(like c-c steve but not as exreme left). She stands on her head and says the rest of the world is upside down”

FIFY Rush.

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 9:44 am
Why I Apologized to Sandra Fluke

Monday show Transcript:

“While I have your attention, give me 30 minutes here. It’s all I ask and then you can do what you want. I want to explain why I apologized to Sandra Fluke in the statement that was released on Saturday. I’ve read all the theories from all sides, and, frankly, they are all wrong. I don’t expect — and I know you don’t, either — morality or intellectual honesty from the left. They’ve demonstrated over and over a willingness to say or do anything to advance their agenda. It’s what they do. It’s what we fight against here every day. But this is the mistake I made. In fighting them on this issue last week, I became like them.”

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 9:49 am
are putting on parade a woman who is happily presenting herself as an immoral, baseless, no-purpose-to-her-life woman.

She wants all the sex in the world, whenever she wants it, all the time.

What a nut. She said nothing about her sex life at all. The whole slut/whore thing was made up out of thin air.

You really deserve to tell us where you practice medicine, James, so people can know where to avoid such a misogynistically judgemental attitude in their doctor.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 9:52 am
i don’t think any female is a “slut’ really,just very misguided about intimacy and looking for love in the wrong place, lacking self-esteem. Otherwise why behave so.
The fellow Limbaugh sounds like he has enormous influence in America so should be more careful with his words, and he’s apologised anyway which is right.
i guess he’s like Alan Jones or something, but I think alan Jones is more of a gentler spoken more caring type of person is my impression.

candy

6 Mar 12 at 9:55 am
What a nut. She said nothing about her sex life at all. The whole slut/whore thing was made up out of thin air.

What do want to call a woman who wants other people to pay for her contraception to the tune of $3000 steve?

Goldilocks?

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 9:55 am
Prof. Jacobson at Legal Insurrection has the highlights of Rush’s intro today, & transcript.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/03/rush-i-descended-to-their-level/

sdog

6 Mar 12 at 9:59 am
She’s a woman supporting the expansion of the insurance cover for her uni to that which is already in place in 28 States.

What a slut for doing that…

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 10:00 am
The fellow Limbaugh sounds like he has enormous influence in America

I’m interested Candy.

Why do you say that?

Is it because he has a weekly audience of 25 million and a daily 11-14 million?

His main schtick is poking fun and demonstrating daily the moral turpitude of the MSM.

We need his like over here.

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 10:01 am
‘Is it because he has a weekly audience of 25 million and a daily 11-14 million?’

Sounds like a lot of influence to me, JamesK.
Still, the issue is correct contraception is a personal choice not a health funded thing that’s totally ridiculous, but to ‘label’ the actual female doesn’t work, it’s not proper, no matting how vexing the female.

candy

6 Mar 12 at 10:05 am
She’s a woman supporting the expansion of the insurance cover for her uni to that which is already in place in 28 States.

Why do you lie every single day steve?

I posted good evidence which makes a lie of your 28 state defence and you slinked away and ignored it only to repat it the next day or in another thread.

As long as you think you might get mileage from repeating lies then that is always what you do.

The translation of your “expansion” gibberish is that she wants other people to pay $3000 for her contraception which implies that she wants others to pay $3000 for her to freely engage in sex without responsibility.

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 10:06 am
She’s a woman supporting the expansion of the insurance cover for her uni to that which is already in place in 28 States

This have been proven incorrect ad nauseum. Stop lying. It’s also a pathetic argument from authority, amounting to nothing more than “but my friends are doing it!”.

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6 Mar 12 at 10:06 am
but to ‘label’ the actual female doesn’t work, it’s not proper, no matting how vexing the female.

I agree

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 10:07 am
The translation of your “expansion” gibberish is that she wants other people to pay $3000 for her contraception which implies that she wants others to pay $3000 for her to freely engage in sex without responsibility.

What a slut.

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6 Mar 12 at 10:07 am
Their God, if this is the way they want to look at it, keeps smashing them into little grease spots on the pavement, in Alabama, in Mississippi, Arkansas, Georgia and Oklahoma, you know the bible belt.. where they ain’t gonna let no g*dd*mn science get in the way, it says in the bible blah blah blah, so according to their way of thinking, y’know, God with his omnipotent thumb, and so far tonight, has smashed so far 20 people on highway 12, or whatever the hell highway they live next to..

What an idiot and a bigot. God is not responsible for what the weather does. That’s the domain of IPCC!

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 10:09 am
‘I agree’
you’re very nice JamesK. always neat to have someone agree with one

candy

6 Mar 12 at 10:09 am
Th US Federal Government does not force health insurance companies to give any other drug away “for free,” regardless of cost or whether you choose a brand-name or generic and completely without co-pay.

Don’t you admit it’s a little bit fucked, Steve, for the Federal Government to be forcing insurers to give away “free” birth control pills, which when used for their intended purpose do not heal one single health problem, but nothing else for “free”? Why birth control and nothing else? Why is providing “free” chemo, for instance, or “free” antibiotics, not more important than enabling chickybabes like Ms Fluck to have consequence-free sex?

Also, a question I asked before: In Australia, birth control is not “free.” If you believe it’s that important, why are you not agitating for your own government to hand it out “for free”?

sdog

6 Mar 12 at 10:10 am
Good questions, Spot. I await Steve’s answers. They should be a hoot.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 10:14 am
The truth is Fluke almost certainly insn’t a slut in the meaning generally held.

She shamelessly testified to the ridiculous to further both her’s and Obummers feminazi leftist anti-catholic hate agenda.

Her testimony was risible and the logical absurd implications were rightly highlighted with absurdity.

Limbaugh over-stepped the mark with the logical implications of her remarks and leftists in the MSM – who absolutely hate Limbaugh – got the sound-bite they wante

But the truth is exactly as Limbaugh said:

“She’s a typical liberal. She stands on her head and says the rest of the world is upside down”

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 10:19 am
I don’t follow, JamesK: are you now saying she’s not a slut but just an “immoral, baseless, no-purpose-to-her-life woman”?

Big advance.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 10:21 am
The US Federal Government does not force health insurance companies to give any other drug away “for free,” regardless of cost or whether you choose a brand-name or generic and completely without co-pay.

I don’t understand why Rush, et al don’t go off to a restaurant or similar place where low paid workers gather and show them the tape of Fluke testifying.

Then get their honest opinion on how they feel about their hours being cut back due to the increased health premiums so lushes like Fluke and get it on 3 times a day for 3 years.

Token

6 Mar 12 at 10:24 am
You only ever “don’t undetstand” when you think it suits your activist agenda steve.

Just one more rerason people see you as a slime.

A woman who wants others (not her boyfriernd/s) to pay her $3000 contraception bill could fairly be described as “immoral, baseless, no-purpose-to-her-life woman”.

Have you a rebuttal steve?

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 10:27 am
Birth control pill is on the PBS in Australia. As far as I can see, it costs anything from about $8 to $25 a month.

Our system of health care allows for things like that to benefit all women. It also provides a much better, cost free cover to any woman who falls pregnant, whether unemployed, working and with or without private health insurance.

The complicated and arcane system in the US means they are looking for ways to provide more uniform benefit to everyone, and with an emphasis on preventative medicine. If lots of people have employer paid insurance, then the way to improve things for everyone is to deal with minimum cover those funds must supply.

The Institute of Medicine made a call that for women, who seem to report a hell of a lot of unwanted and unplanned pregnancies in the US (leading to a lot of abortions) it would be advantageous to them to have access for birth control via insurance without co-payment. Pregnancy is not an illness, but it is a health condition which many women want to avoid at certain times of their lives. (In fact, for most of their sex life – even if they marry their first boyfriend at 21.)

As we have discussed, this does not necessarily mean that it ultimately costs insurers anyway. Some studies suggest it will improve their bottom line; others indicate a marginal increase in costs.

This has all been discussed before: doing it is a result of the complicated way health insurance is provided in the US. It has already been mandated in 28 States, and Obama is seeking to expand that and reduce the means of avoiding it used by Catholic institutions by saying they don’t have to pay for it – their insurer has to provide it for free.

It is not a huge moral crisis. No one is saying Catholics have to use the contraception that would be free.

The only remaining uncertainty is how self-insured Catholic institutions are supposed to deal with this. That remains unclear.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 10:40 am
I see “Reader X”‘s great work on the astroturfing of the ~~Frankenstein~~ Finkelstein review has made it to the UK.

Good work whoever you are

“Widely-held public view”. Yes, well I suppose it really is “widely-held” if you ignore the fact that 86 per cent of those submissions were the result of leftist astroturfing, much of it – not unlike the Leveson Inquiry – motivated mainly by a desire to get Murdoch

Token

6 Mar 12 at 10:41 am
Then get their honest opinion on how they feel about their hours being cut back due to the increased health premiums so lushes like Fluke and get it on 3 times a day for 3 years.

Well, why not speak to those people in the 28 states where this is already mandated and see if that has happened. I bet you it hasn’t, or else the economy harming effect of it in those states would be all over the place in arguments against the Obama proposal.

Just one more rerason people see you as a slime.

James, I will just play it safe and not go to any doctor voluntarily who has the name “James”.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 10:45 am
‘who seem to report a hell of a lot of unwanted and unplanned pregnancies in the US (leading to a lot of abortions) it would be advantageous to them to have access for birth control via insurance without co-payment’
My opinion is that’s misleading Steve because many unwanted pregnancies occur with girls using drugs/alcohol and forgetting the condoms.

First thing is to help girls (and boys) off drugs and stuff and get better organised, but they’re in poverty from very prejudical backgrounds – free condoms won’t solve that.
It would be interesting to know how many pregnancies result from not having a condom, but being too drunk/drugged to use it.

candy

6 Mar 12 at 10:47 am
You bullshit artist Steve the pill is cheap because it is cheap, not because it is on the PBS you jerk.

Why we should have to subsidise the sex lives of people who cannot afford to pay their rent on their own (on their health care card) is beyond me.

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6 Mar 12 at 10:49 am
Having a condom or being able to easily procure them, but being too drunk/drugged to care.

that’s what I mean to say.

candy

6 Mar 12 at 10:50 am
Well, why not speak to those people in the 28 states where this is already mandated and see if that has happened.

Where did you get this # from Steve? What are the 28 states? A link would be great.

Token

6 Mar 12 at 10:50 am
No answers in steve’s latest drivel.

No surprise.

Birth control pill is on the PBS in Australia. As far as I can see, it costs anything from about $8 to $25 a month.

That’s what it costs in the US.

But Fluke could get it for nada now if that’s what her actual agenda is.

But it isn’t, of course.

As we have discussed, this does not necessarily mean that it ultimately costs insurers as many here have ‘discussed’

I’m tired dealing with with you, your incessant lying and your arsehat magical thinking dross which is all just leftist bollox, steve.

You’ve been repeatedly nailed on that untruth many times as well.

From here on in I’ll deal with your next truth atrocity with one-liners.

You are the very personification of an oxygen thief.

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 10:53 am
Sinclair should just rename “Open Forum” to “Steve’s Forum”.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 10:58 am
I see “Reader X”‘s great work on the astroturfing of the Frankenstein Finkelstein review has made it to the UK.

This “Reader X” character had better watch out, Wayne Swan will put him on his enemies list and publically denounce him!

twostix

6 Mar 12 at 10:58 am
I bet you it hasn’t, or else the economy harming effect of it in those states would be all over the place in arguments against the Obama proposal.

Sob the economic illiterate, who hasn’t seen a tax he doesn’t like, nor an obligation on employers he does not back, says he is willing to BET this obligation has no economy harming effects.

I’ll take that bet, if I win you do not comment on the blog for a full calendar year.

Token

6 Mar 12 at 10:59 am
You could have googled itself, Token, but I am being generous:

http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/spibs/spib_ICC.pdf

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 11:03 am
@twostix

Excellent work that man!

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 11:06 am
Why don’t people shorten the argument here by adopting right from the start the Birdian “no you’re lying!” and leave it at that? Instead of me arguing with details and patient explanation for it to all end in: “no, you are lying ignorant slime!”

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 11:09 am
You are both lying and ignorant slime.

QED

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6 Mar 12 at 11:13 am
Further evidence that the mandate is no biggie, as far as many insurance companies are concerned. From the Catholic National Register:

Not only are state-level mandates in place, but many insurance companies are unwilling to offer plans without contraceptive coverage, particularly for smaller institutions. The result is that Catholic institutions that want to eliminate contraceptive coverage in their health plans have found it increasingly difficult to do so.

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/state-level-contraceptive-mandates-call-for-national-solution/#ixzz1oI5xum79

and:

Fahey insisted that the problem is much deeper and “grimmer” than the current debate about the federal mandate implies. Not only are there local government problems, but insurance companies are pushing mandates as much as the state.

Some insurance companies, he charged, “have made a simple calculation. They would rather be financing birth control than financing birth.”

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/state-level-contraceptive-mandates-call-for-national-solution/#ixzz1oI6XNAmR

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 11:14 am
You are the very personification of an oxygen thief.

Thanks, doc.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 11:17 am
Steve

Why don’t you go and write this all on your own blog?

I fear you may be subjecting your hand to repetitive strain injury.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 11:17 am
steve’s latest ‘source’ is the Guttmacher Institute.

Steven W. Mosher of the Population Research Institute:

“As the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the Alan Guttmacher Institute necessarily reflects the agenda of its parent organization, which is to impose abortion on demand on countries around the world.”

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 11:21 am
Anyway, seeing how any objective reader can see I just won that round with calm reasoning and logic, I’ll go do something else for a while.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 11:22 am
Birth control pill is on the PBS in Australia. As far as I can see, it costs anything from about $8 to $25 a month.

Our system of health care allows for things like that to benefit all women.

Birth control pills in the US, for someone with no insurance whatsoever, cost as little as $9 a month. And they’re already free for poor women.

For someone with insurance, it costs whatever your co-pay is (so in some cases, if you have an across-the-board co-pay of, say, $20 per script), it would actually be cheaper to get them off-insurance.

Also, in Australia, if there is a generic available and also a name-brand, you’re only allowed to get the generic for the up-to-$35.40 ($5.80 if you’re on the dole) PBS price. If you choose to get the rolls royce name-brand version, you pay more for it. That’s the same way it is in the US. For instance, the last drug I shopped around for in the States was Zofran/Ondansetron: brand-name version, about $700 for 30 tabs; generic version $80 for 30 tabs. With a $30 co-pay, I’d pay $30 for the generic but if I chose to get the name brand I’d be hundreds of dollars out of pocket.

The birth control mandate requires health-insurance companies provide “free” contraceptive coverage for all ‘FDA approved contraceptive methods.’ It does not insist on generics. There’s absolutely no incentive to get the cheaper generic version, since it’s all “free” anyway. Can you not see how that’s a disaster waiting to happen?

And again, I ask: if providing women with “free” birth control is that important, why are you not agitating for your own government to hand it out “for free”? Isn’t it “anti-woman” to force Australian women to pay ~$35.40 per month when their American sisters get it “for free”?

sdog

6 Mar 12 at 11:23 am
Further evidence that the mandate is no biggie, as far as many insurance companies are concerned. From the Catholic National Register

If it’s a c-c steve “no biggie” and health insurance companies want to include it for free then why the need for a mandate?

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 11:25 am
Why don’t people shorten the argument here by adopting right from the start the Birdian “no you’re lying!” and leave it at that?

Bird uswed comment on a perceived act rather than the individual who has a habit of lying.

Unlike you steve.

You’re characteristically a liar.

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 11:30 am
The birth control mandate requires health-insurance companies provide “free” contraceptive coverage for all ‘FDA approved contraceptive methods.’ It does not insist on generics. There’s absolutely no incentive to get the cheaper generic version, since it’s all “free” anyway. Can you not see how that’s a disaster waiting to happen?

Can you not see how, given the mandate has been in place for years in many populous States, it is remarkable that this argument has not appeared anywhere in the debate, as far as I know.

You overlook one matter: the mandate includes sterilisation and other long term methods which constitute a bigger “one off” expense, but if people do take it up if it is free, it is cheaper in the long run for the insurer than a regular smaller cost item like the pill.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 11:30 am
Stop hogging the Open Forum, Steve!

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 11:33 am
spot: already been explained – I don’t see our system of health care needs the added feature of completely free contraception.

JamesK: already discussed over the weekend – it’s not clear to me why all insurers don’t already provide cover. It’s clear that many do from the story I linked today (and elsewhere). It may come down to just that some businesses are better run than others.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 11:33 am
Can you not see how, given the mandate has been in place for years in many populous States, it is remarkable that this argument has not appeared anywhere in the debate, as far as I know

I have provided the refutation of your 28 states mandate argument time and time again and yet you simply repeat the WH talking points lie again and again.

Please.

You’re a liar who should stop lying, steve.

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 11:35 am
Gab: you can end my contribution by making a comment as follows:

“I say, Steve has been presenting a pretty well reasoned argument, and maybe you guys arguing with him should just agree to disagree.”

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 11:36 am
but if people do take it up if it is free, it is cheaper in the long run for the insurer than a regular smaller cost item like the pill.

I, among many others have provided the refutation your magical thibking its actually cheaper argument time and time again and yet you simply repeat the WH talking points lie again and again.

Please.

You’re a liar who should stop lying, steve

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 11:37 am
No one here really likes you Steve.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 11:38 am
Anyway, seeing how any objective reader can see I just won that round with calm reasoning and logic, I’ll go do something else for a while.

Why don’t you apply some of that calm reasoning and logic to the preparation of your tax returns, you bludging bastard.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 11:38 am
I have provided the refutation of your 28 states mandate argument time and time

No, you are simply wrong. The relevance of the existing mandate is that Token and spot are arguing that it is a bad idea economically (regardless of the issue of extending it to religious institutions.)

It is entirely reasonable (a word you have little familiarity with, I know) of me to point out that the lack of criticism of the State mandates for their economic effects indicates that it is not a long term cost for the insurers or the employers.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 11:38 am
According to steve’s latest, magical leftist upside down thinking is now a “well reasoned argument”

Please.

You’re a liar who should stop lying, steve

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 11:39 am
Anyone seen Hamster the terminator today. I’m worried about him for obvious reasons.

Hams, dude, if you’re reading this, let us know if you’re still “around” today.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 11:42 am
The relevance of the existing mandate is that Token and spot are arguing that it is a bad idea economically

No you are lying yet again steve.

The substance of their argument is that it is immoral for others to be forced to pay for Flukes contraception and thatis exactly what happens with the mandate.

You are saying that it doesn’t cost extra ‘cos it saves money.

Please.

You’re a liar who should stop lying, steve

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 11:43 am
You overlook one matter: the mandate includes sterilisation and other long term methods which constitute a bigger “one off” expense, but if people do take it up if it is free, it is cheaper in the long run for the insurer than a regular smaller cost item like the pill.

YOU overlook one matter: if it’s such a good deal for the insurers, why don’t they already offer it free? Why do they need to be forced to do so by the Federal Government?

And once again, I ask you: if providing women with “free” birth control is that important, why are you not agitating for your own government to make it “free”? Isn’t it “anti-woman” to force Australian women to pay ~$35.40 per month when their American sisters get it “for free”?

sdog

6 Mar 12 at 11:43 am
I should have referred to sdog before, not spot.

I’ve covered your last points already.

Getting boring now.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 11:44 am
You’re too compassionate for your own good, JC.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 11:45 am
Alan Howe counts up the body count from the Bagram koran burning incident:

Dangerously excitable adherents of Islam have been on a murderous rampage ever since some copies of the Koran were inadvertently burned at the Bagram airbase in Afghanistan.

I can understand them being grumpy about the accidental incineration, and perhaps demanding an apology from the US Army. They might even have written a letter to the editor.

That’s what we in the West would have done, had we done anything at all.

Arrests made over grave desecration

But here’s some of what’s happened: A suicide bomber killed nine people in one attack, and in another at Oruzgan, where our Australian troops are based, three more innocents died; a car bomb was detonated at the gates of Jalalabad Airport; and a roadside bomb in Tarin Kowt killed three Afghan policemen.

NATO has been forced to withdraw international military personnel from Afghan Government departments after a major and a lieutenant-colonel were shot in the back of the head by a local employee, part of a toll that has seen Afghan “colleagues” shoot dead six US soldiers as payback for the Koran incident.

Getting on for 30 people have died in protests over this. So far

Token

6 Mar 12 at 11:46 am
I felt a shiver down my spine after the waves of nausea from steve’s latest dross passed, JC.

D’ya think Hammy might be tryin’ to communicate from t’other side?

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 11:47 am
And what has Barack Hussein done? He and top ranking officials in the Pentagon have apologised profusely, to the point of being metaphorically prostrate before Karzai and five US soldiers will go to trial and be disciplined as requested by Karzai and the Islamists.

What the hell? Get out of there now. It’s a pointless exercise.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 11:52 am
I’ve covered your last points already.

Getting boring now.

Please.

You’re a liar who should stop lying, steve

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 11:52 am
I’ve covered your last points already.

No, you haven’t. There’s no earthly reason you should make “free” birth control for American women the hill you’re willing to die on when you aren’t demanding the same for your the women of your own country.

Getting boring now.

Yes, it it.

I think you should just admit that you don’t know jack about this issue save the lefty talking point you’ve seen in HuffPo, and move on to something less embarrassing for you.

Now. How ’bout that Media Enquiry, eh?

sdog

6 Mar 12 at 11:53 am
What are the ways muslims scholars believe are the acceptable ways to dispose of the Koran?

Strange, it is acceptable to burn the book…

Token

6 Mar 12 at 11:53 am
It’s not the trivia (which is interesting but immaterial in a modern-day context). It’s the blatant assertion that a man who wears a simple wedding band is unmanly, and is to be compared to Liberace.

You don’t have much of a sense of humour, OCO.

Don’t sweat the small stuff. Many blokes (like Prince William) don’t like wedding bands. They make men’s hands look dainty, which is not good.

C.L.

6 Mar 12 at 12:00 pm
No, you haven’t.

Yes I have. Seems to me our system does a better, more universal, job at covering health expenses of pregnancy and birth for all women at no cost if they happen to fall pregnant. It also subsidises the cost of some contraception.

That is sufficient for here.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 12:01 pm
You’re evil, CL. You should be compassionate and understanding toward your fellow man. Just like JC.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 12:04 pm
Anyone for Keelhaul?

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 12:04 pm
D’ya think Hammy might be tryin’ to communicate from t’other side?

lol If he is,it’s going to be from the 9th circle of hell.

Hamster is not a well man.

In fact it will be a good question to ask him next time he shows up here.

“Hammy are you with us or in the after life?”

I can’t believe the mental derangement of some of these leftheads.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 12:05 pm
Actually, where’s my old pal 49?

I haven’t seen him since I slapped him around yesterday.

I’d love to get his views on Keelhaul. Perhaps get a dialogue going between him and the Currency Lad to see if we can form a consensus regarding Churchill as war criminal, and the best recipe for an omelette.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 12:06 pm
I wonder how CL feels about eyebrow rings.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 12:06 pm
Leslie

Stop trolling. Just don’t make it so obvious.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 12:07 pm
Sinclair should just rename “Open Forum” to “Steve’s Forum”.

Sad but true. What was once an interesting range of discourse, is now essentially a stream of consciousness from one person.

Nic

6 Mar 12 at 12:08 pm
trolling? moi?

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 12:09 pm
Nic: no you are lying.

People here are allergic to careful, reasoned, argument. That’s all it is.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 12:09 pm
don’t wish for what you might get, you guys/gals might be lost without the fellow Steve with challenging views, things are real dull when everyone thinks the same

candy

6 Mar 12 at 12:12 pm
Sad but true. What was once an interesting range of discourse, is now essentially a stream of consciousness from one person

Streams of consciousness would be better.

steve’s inane dross is agenda driven.

He is guilty of utterly headbanginingly inane leftist activism.

He doesn’t debate.

He lies.

I mean he’s a liar as his preeminent characteristic.

When he isn’t frankly lying he’s dissimulating.

At least Les is entertaining and occasionally even engages in debate.

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 12:16 pm
Candy, you and SoB sometimes sound alike

Token

6 Mar 12 at 12:16 pm
Candy:

Steve had a dummy spit once, promised he would never show up here again, we all laughed and egged him on. The IQ of the site doubled and no one missed him for a second.

As James says, he’s just a pest who ought to be doing his house chores.

In any event you’re here now often reminding us just how sexy you find “Mr Rudd” and that you think he has movie star looks. Me thinks you’re in total love with him. “Enchanted”, as i said yesterday.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 12:16 pm
Anyway, seeing how any objective reader can see I just won that round with calm reasoning and logic, I’ll go do something else for a while.

Steve’s definition of “for a while” is eight minutes.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 12:18 pm
He doesn’t debate.

He lies.

Um, JamesK: you don’t debate – you abuse.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 12:19 pm
Um, JamesK: you don’t debate – you abuse.

The faint veneer of reasonableness which with steve is mere rat-cunning deceit from a cornered cur.

You don’t engage in debate steve.

Ever.

You hyperlink and when challenged pick an irrelevat strawman and attack.

Fvck off steve.

You’re a low-rent leftist slimeball activist who lies such that it’s your salient identifying characteristic.

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 12:25 pm
Pregnancy is not an illness, but it is a health condition

LOL.

Some insurance companies, he charged, “have made a simple calculation. They would rather be financing birth control than financing birth.”

According to conservative catholic, Steve from B, this is “no biggie”, even though the same “calculation” is likely to include, now or in the future, the provision of an abortion as well. And why not, too, from a heathen’s point of view.

dover_beach

6 Mar 12 at 12:46 pm
JamesK: I am sure there is a clinic in the public health system which can help with your anger management towards the 40 something percent of your patients who are leftish voting scum. Take dot with you while you’re at it.

d-b: I’m saying it is “no biggie” from the insurers’ economic point of view.

What are you proposing: that it be illegal for private health insurance to cover contraception, even if they work out that it is financially in their interests to do so?

I have argued before: if you want less abortion in America, wider use of contraception is likely to help. It certainly does in most of Europe, it seems.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 12:54 pm
What are you proposing: that it be illegal for private health insurance to cover contraception, even if they work out that it is financially in their interests to do so?

Who said anything about making it illegal?

I have argued before: if you want less abortion in America, wider use of contraception is likely to help. It certainly does in most of Europe, it seems.

It is already widely available in the US. You bump into it everywhere. In supermarkets, in public toilets, at student centres, etc., etc. The idea that a more casual attitude to sex will lead to less abortions so long as it is supplemented by widely available contraception is absolute nonsense.

dover_beach

6 Mar 12 at 1:00 pm
From Bolt:

To the nearest whole number, the percentage of the world’s energy that comes from wind turbines today is: zero. Despite the regressive subsidy (pushing pensioners into fuel poverty while improving the wine cellars of grand estates), despite tearing rural communities apart, killing jobs, despoiling views, erecting pylons, felling forests, killing bats and eagles, causing industrial accidents, clogging motorways, polluting lakes in Inner Mongolia with the toxic and radioactive tailings from refining neodymium, a ton of which is in the average turbine — despite all this, the total energy generated each day by wind has yet to reach half a per cent worldwide.

If wind power was going to work, it would have done so by now…

In a wish to be seen as modern, (politicians) will embrace all manner of fashionable causes. When this sets in — groupthink grips political parties, and the media therefore decide there is no debate — the gravest of errors can take root. The subsidising of useless wind turbines was born of a deep intellectual error, one incubated by failure to challenge conventional wisdom.

It is precisely this consensus-worshipping, heretic-hunting environment where the greatest errors can be made. There are some 3,500 wind turbines in Britain, with hundreds more under construction. It would be a shame for them all to be dismantled. The biggest one should remain, like a crane on an abandoned quay, for future generations to marvel at. They will never be an efficient way to generate power. But there can be no better monument to the folly of mankind.

In fact it’s going too soft on the rent seeking pillaging by the scum that promote this evil shit.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 1:08 pm
The idea that a more casual attitude to sex will lead to less abortions so long as it is supplemented by widely available contraception is absolute nonsense.

So who’s arguing for a more casual attitude to sex to be promoted in the US? We already know it’s there culturally. Making contraception part of all employer insurance (as it is already in the bulk of American states) is hardly likely to start a bacchanalian revolution.

There is not a necessary connection between increased use of contraception and a more casual attitude to sex. It can be that more use of contraception indicates a more serious attitude to the sex. (See the example of the Netherlands.)

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 1:13 pm
JamesK: I am sure there is a clinic in the public health system which can help with your anger management towards the 40 something percent of your patients who are leftish voting scum

steve who characteristically lies, is lying yet again.

Your views are representaive 10% of the population steve not 40%.

And despite their rather extreme leftist views, I believe only a minority of that 10% would lie quite as shamelessly or as remorselessly as you do, steve.

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 1:16 pm
So who’s arguing for a more casual attitude to sex to be promoted in the US? We already know it’s there culturally. Making contraception part of all employer insurance (as it is already in the bulk of American states) is hardly likely to start a bacchanalian revolution.

There is not a necessary connection between increased use of contraception and a more casual attitude to sex. It can be that more use of contraception indicates a more serious attitude to the sex. (See the example of the Netherlands.)

Leave the strawman in peace rather than pieces of chaf, steve

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 1:19 pm
JamesK: what are you counting me as: a Green?

Dream away.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 1:25 pm
Steve is a small government conservative libertarian.

So much so, in fact, that he has refused to file a tax return since 1991 as a matter of principle.

Or maybe laziness and disorganisation.

But fact is he doesn’t pay tax. Can’t get much more small government than that.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 1:32 pm
See the example of the Netherlands.

LOL.

Pregnancy is not an illness, but it is a health condition.

LOL.

C.L.

6 Mar 12 at 1:32 pm
I have never heard Mk50 use the term ‘Paleosimian’ outside the context of a Palestinian Terrorist, or a supporter.
Les is attempting to redefine the word in a rascist way. The fact that many others use the term differently has no bearing on the fact that Mk50 is using it in his original meaning.
What Les is doing is saying that because others have decided on a different meaning for a slang term, he will use that definition to accuse Mk50 of being rascist.
Look in a dictionary Les. You will find some words have two meanings, and you are not the sole arbiter of that meaning.

Sally, tits or piss off.

Winston SMITH

6 Mar 12 at 1:34 pm
The compulsive LOL-ling of CL is strangely shared by d-b. Who knew that the refusal to put a condom on had this neurological effect?

(It may be related to how enlarged prostates have been clinically proven to co-relate to climate change denialism with an extraordinary degree of precision.)

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 1:37 pm
JamesK: what are you counting me as: a Green?

Dream away.

Which of course means you are because you undoubtedly lying.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 1:37 pm
Geez, louise – now I know why I’ve only been commenting on other threads (until now)…

SfB, could you please possibly cease and desist with the contraception, abortion, etc, bollocks, FFS?

It’s both embarrassing and creepy.

You obviously suffer from monomania.

Again, just give it a rest.

Seek professional help – and yes, not from James.

Rabz

6 Mar 12 at 1:40 pm
The fact that many others use the term differently has no bearing on the fact that Mk50 is using it in his original meaning.

That’s a fantastic point. I’m using fantastic in my original meaning, which roughly translates to moronic.

badm0f0

6 Mar 12 at 1:43 pm
What Les is doing is saying that because others have decided on a different meaning for a slang term, he will use that definition to accuse Mk50 of being rascist.

No, Winston. That is not accurate. You need to revisit your notes.

I have not accused 49 of being racist. Rather, I have merely stated a simple fact: that “Paleosimian” is a derogatory, abusive term.

That would seem obvious from the word itself, since it is clearly a play on the word “Palestinian” and has connotations of ape-like sub-humanity.

That connotation is confirmed by a simple google search, which shows that the predominant usage of the word is plainly as a term of abuse.

Sorry, but these are facts. That is what the word is, and that is how the word is used.

Now IQ49 can claim that he – like Humpty Dumpty – has private meanings for the words he uses:

“I don’t know what you mean by ‘glory,’ ” Alice said.

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. “Of course you don’t—till I tell you. I meant ‘there’s a nice knock-down argument for you!’ ”

“But ‘glory’ doesn’t mean ‘a nice knock-down argument’,” Alice objected.

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master – that’s all.”

Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. “They’ve a temper, some of them—particularly verbs, they’re the proudest—adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs—however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That’s what I say!”

49 does this repeatedly. He uses a word, then claims that the word has a completely different meaning than its obvious or standard meaning. It’s extremely annoying.

But I haven’t actually accused 49 of being racist. I have simply stated a fact: that “Paleosimian” is a derogatory, racially abusive word.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 1:45 pm
Seek professional help – and yes, not from James.

He’d put him in a permanent induced coma and leave him there.

I must say I’d be quite ok with that.

Jc

6 Mar 12 at 1:47 pm
It may be related to how enlarged prostates have been clinically proven to co-relate to climate change denialism with an extraordinary degree of precision.

I am speechless.

WTF?

Rabz

6 Mar 12 at 1:48 pm
Steve, you ignorant slut.

/SNL

sdog

6 Mar 12 at 1:51 pm
He’d put him in a permanent induced coma and leave him there.

Then hurry up and call the ambulance!

Rabz

6 Mar 12 at 1:52 pm
the idiot is just trying to be funny by implying only oldsters deny glimatechange. He’s of course oblivious he’s over 50 but considers himself hip

JC

6 Mar 12 at 1:53 pm
That’s a Saturday Night Live reference, I take it sdog?

Yes, isn’t this ironic: a famous series of sketches from the 1970′s which was funny because of the outrageous idea that a political commentator would throw around the word “slut” for a woman who he disagrees with has collided with what the Right has evolved into 40 years later: a bunch of galoots who defend a commentator who throws around the word “slut” for a woman he disagrees with.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 1:56 pm
he’s over 50 but considers himself hip

The only thing ‘hip’ about Steve is his soon to needed hip replacement surgery.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 1:57 pm
Should have been “devolved into”, actually.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 1:58 pm
he’s over 50 but considers himself hip

Yes, JC, he’s always struck me as someone who’s hip to da yoof…

SfB: Hey young person, did you hear the joke about the republican presidential candidate and his dodgey views on abortion, contraception and climate change?

Young person: No.

SfB: They were all due to his enlarged prostate!

Young person: Fuck off, you creepy ol tool…

Rabz

6 Mar 12 at 1:58 pm
Trying too hard, Rabz.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 2:00 pm
America’s fucked.

Couple Lives In $1.3 Million, 4,900 Square Foot Home For Five Years Without Making A Single Mortgage Payment

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/couple-lives-13-million-4900-square-foot-home-five-years-without-making-single-mortgage-payment

JC

6 Mar 12 at 2:28 pm
Breitbart’s new look umbrella site is up

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 2:32 pm
If you get a chance, watch
Of Gods and Men.

Beautiful cinematography. Composition of some scenes could be mistaken for Rembrandt or Zurbarán paintings. Superb acting.

A small Algerian town, built around the the Monastery Notre-Dame de l’Atlas of Tibhirine, run by the trappist monks since 1850. The Muslim villagers and the nine monks in the story live together in peace and harmony, respectful of the others’ religion, as had been the case for over 100 years. And then the Islamists turn up, killing Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Regardless, it is a beautiful and sad story.

The movie is set in 1996 and based on a true story.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 2:35 pm
I saw that reviewed on At the Movies last year and it looked good, Gab.

Meanwhile, in entertainment news from Ghana, my new favourite country for quality journalism.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 2:43 pm
No, good one, Rabz. Stevie, you are such a plodder. You plod around this blog day in and day out merely being prurient and irritating.

Do you haunt those RSVP pages and dream? Or trawl even friskier sites? Try getting a real life, Steve, or blogg off permanently to somewhere more suited to your interests.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

6 Mar 12 at 2:52 pm
‘Candy, you and SoB sometimes sound alike’

No Token, I am a Catholic conservative actually, very boring i know and I shouldn’t admit it but there you go.

candy

6 Mar 12 at 2:55 pm
Candy:

“Mr Rudd” was Catholic until he switched. You have something in common you two love birds can discuss when you finally meet.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 2:57 pm
Are you now or were you ever a convent girl Candy?

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 2:57 pm
Candy:
“Mr Rudd” was Catholic until he switched. You have something in common you two love birds can discuss when you finally meet.

JC: you’re getting pesky about that, but i still like you.

JamesK: And I wasn’t a convent girl, just state schoools and what has that got to do with the price of eggs.

candy

6 Mar 12 at 3:04 pm
Aaaw, sorry Stevie. You caught me in a crabby moment. I think your report should just read: “Tries hard. Needs to improve social skills and turn-taking – tends to attention-seek. Poor comprehension in general.”

Stay here because you might learn something useful. There are many helpful people who will point out ways to improve.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

6 Mar 12 at 3:05 pm
I understand why it still burns you up Candy.

Convent girls have all the fun.

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 3:07 pm
I am a Catholic conservative actually

Just like another legend who frequents this blog!

You could together and discuss contraception, abortion, ejaculation, tonee yabbott, etc.

Fun stuff.

James on the other hand, just wants to get into your knickers…

Rabz

6 Mar 12 at 3:09 pm
Trouble at ~~mill~~ Tent Embassy.

http://bunyipitude.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/trouble-comes-to-humpytown.html

Very funny.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 3:11 pm
James on the other hand, just wants to get into your knickers…

Well I’d be a little more hopeful if she had been educated by the brides of Christ Rabz.

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 3:16 pm
From the Bunyip’s latest post on trouble at the tent embassy:

I don’t know what caused the altercation…

Well, duuuhhhh, Tonee Yabbott!

Rabz

6 Mar 12 at 3:16 pm
don’t be cranky Rabz.

candy

6 Mar 12 at 3:18 pm
This website has chosen not to repeat details of the threats.

How convenient.

C.L.

6 Mar 12 at 3:20 pm
See? Community backlash and sponsors pulling their advertising from a TV show.

And all done without a government media regulator and at no expense to taxpayers. Amazing.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 3:23 pm
It may be related to how enlarged prostates have been clinically proven to co-relate to climate change denialism with an extraordinary degree of precision.

I woudn’t know, Steve.

You’re the 57 year-old.

LOLs are all I have time for today.

You’ve provided abundant oppostunities – especially with your new scientific view that pregnancy is a “health condition.”

C.L.

6 Mar 12 at 3:26 pm
A brainless bimbo, a flaccid ol’ leftist pomposity and a six foot five digger hero.

Who’s most likely to be the only one to emerge from that li’l “skirmish” unscathed?

Rabz

6 Mar 12 at 3:29 pm
From the Bunyip’s latest post on trouble at the tent embassy:

I don’t know what caused the altercation…

Lol… Really, there’s fighting among the diplomats?

JC

6 Mar 12 at 3:29 pm
OMG…

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/01/08/1226239/347412-yumi-stynes.jpg

Frightened the living daylights out me. Freaking Google needs to stick warning labels.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 3:32 pm
Everything about him is weird:

Barack Obama’s transgender nanny found in Jakarta slum.

HE IS not the first US president to have been cared for by a nanny when he was a child – but no other has had a nanny like his.

The transgender woman who looked after the young Barack Obama is now living in destitution in the slums of the Indonesian capital, Jakarta, unable to express her sexual identity. Known by the name Evie, she was born a man but always felt herself to be a woman.

C.L.

6 Mar 12 at 3:32 pm
“brainless bimbo” a bit harsh. She’s probably getting hate mail and is scared.

The Negus fellow, well who cares. 70 year old geezer acting dumb take the consequences.

candy

6 Mar 12 at 3:32 pm
That poor man. I hope now that this has come to light, Barack Hussein will redistribute some of his wealth to help that poor soul who looked after him in his formative years.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 3:39 pm
The transgender woman who looked after the young Barack Obama is now living in destitution in the slums of the Indonesian capital, Jakarta, unable to express her sexual identity.

Sounds like the least of his/hers/its worries…

Rabz

6 Mar 12 at 3:42 pm
Obama Re-Election Credited With Burst of Gun Sales
Gun sales boom in expectation of Obama re-election

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Texas-Gun-Sales-Boom-141366763.html

JC

6 Mar 12 at 3:47 pm
Jamesk

after reading Breitbart’s The Vetting, Part 1, I can now understand Baracka’s total approval of OWS, despite the rapes, murders, p4dophilia, and the other disgusting things the OWS crowd exercised.

Thanks for the link.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 3:54 pm
Yumi still complaining that she’s the victim in all this, huh? What a talentless, man-faced bimbo.

Fleeced

6 Mar 12 at 4:03 pm
Gillard finally solved her “boat people” problem by making it unlawful for tv stations to show them arriving – for privacy issues, of course – so you won’t have seen footage of the 700+ arrivals last week.

Fleeced

6 Mar 12 at 4:03 pm
So who’s arguing for a more casual attitude to sex to be promoted in the US?

You are, quite regularly, unwittingly. You, on the one hand, promote the availability of contraception and then on the other say you support a less casual attitude to sex.

We already know it’s there culturally.

So we should simply acquiesce?

Making contraception part of all employer insurance (as it is already in the bulk of American states) is hardly likely to start a bacchanalian revolution.

No, it won’t but it makes that revolution all the more permanent.

There is not a necessary connection between increased use of contraception and a more casual attitude to sex. It can be that more use of contraception indicates a more serious attitude to the sex. See the example of the Netherlands.)

This is just pathetic. Ah, but, but, there is no necessary connection between contraception and a casual attitude to sex, so there! And then you provide a country in which women are pimped from store windows as having a “serious” attitude to sex. Incredible.

dover_beach

6 Mar 12 at 4:13 pm
Thanx Gab.

Let the vetting begin!

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 4:47 pm
‘Let the vetting begin!’

is this something to do with animals then JamesK?

candy

6 Mar 12 at 4:53 pm
Good judge. Wish there were more like him. Judge Mordy ought take a few lessons.

BALTIMORE – Maryland residents do not have to provide a “good and substantial reason” to legally own a handgun, a federal judge ruled Monday, striking down as unconstitutional the state’s requirements for getting a permit.

U.S. District Judge Benson Everett Legg wrote that states are allowed some leeway in deciding the way residents exercise their Second Amendment right to bear arms, but Maryland’s objective was to limit the number of firearms that individuals could carry, effectively creating a rationing system that rewarded those who provided the right answer for wanting to own a gun.

“A citizen may not be required to offer a ‘good and substantial reason’ why he should be permitted to exercise his rights,” Legg wrote. “The right’s existence is all the reason he needs.”

Plaintiff Raymond Woollard obtained a handgun permit after fighting with an intruder in his Hampstead home in 2002, but was denied a renewal in 2009 because he could not show he had been subject to “threats occurring beyond his residence.”

Woollard appealed, but his appeal was rejected by the review board, which found he hadn’t demonstrated a “good and substantial reason” to carry a handgun as a reasonable precaution. The suit filed in 2010 claimed that Maryland didn’t have a reason to deny the renewal and wrongly put the burden on Woollard to show why he still needed to carry a gun.

“People have the right to carry a gun for self-defense and don’t have to prove that there’s a special reason for them to seek the permit,” said his attorney Alan Gura, who has challenged handgun bans in the District of Columbia and Chicago as an attorney with the Second Amendment Foundation. “We’re not against the idea of a permit process, but the licensing system has to acknowledge that there’s a right to bear arms.”

In his ruling, Legg wrote that Second Amendment protections aren’t limited to the household.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 4:58 pm
Robert Manne has used The Drum to have a sook:

Within hours of the publication of the Finkelstein report, which documents the widespread public disillusionment with the ethical standards and the political bias of the commercial media in Australia, one of its senior reporters, Ean Higgins, phoned me at work. He informed me that The Australian had gained information from a successful Freedom of Information request with regard to two Australian Research Council Grants I had supposedly received for two Quarterly Essays written very many years ago – one for approximately $60,000, one for approximately $180,000.

How dare anyone challenge the man voted Australia’s Leading Intellectual (twice)

Token

6 Mar 12 at 5:02 pm
‘Let the vetting begin!’

is this something to do with animals then JamesK?

No it’s to do with Andrew Breitbart’s last story before he died.

I’m only an animal for convent girls Candy.

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 5:04 pm
‘I’m only an animal for convent girls Candy.’

how thrilling

candy

6 Mar 12 at 5:08 pm
Sex in the Netherlands has more to it than the red light district in Amsterdam, d-b.

I’m not an expert in the field, but I have noted (at my vastly under-rated blog) a few articles from the press over the last few years which have made the following points about the Netherlands:

* it has extraordinarily frank sex education by many countries standards, and parents are usually very open about discussion of relationships with their young adults;

* despite this, average age at starting sex is (if I recall correctly) older than that in the US, or Britain, and use of hormonal contraception (such as the pill) from the start of sexual relationships is extremely high

* teenage/young adult pregnancies are therefore low, certainly low compared to the US

* despite this, somewhat counterintuitively, once they marry, they have a pretty low divorce rate. Family responsibilities are taken very seriously.

The explanation offered by some is that culturally, they combine a serious attitude to family life with a high rate of responsible use of contraception for single people. The attitude to accidental pregnancies is that only dummies let that happen to them. Government financial support to young single mothers is also not as generous as other countries.

I would also repeat what I have said before: Mormons have a completely “it’s up to you married couples” attitude to contraception, yet conservative attitudes to sex (and larger than average families).

Your problem is that you have swallowed without adequate reflection on real life counter examples the Catholic idea that it is impossible to combine contraception being available widely with it being used responsibly and having a society with responsible attitudes to sex.

You aren’t going to put the contraceptive technological genie back in the bottle: yours and the Church’s attitude to issues with relationships not being taken seriously enough these days is to address the cultural issues, not the fact that contraception is available.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 5:18 pm
Let me fix that:

yours and the Church’s response to issues with relationships not being taken seriously enough these days should be to address the cultural issues and attitudes, not the fact that contraception is available.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 5:20 pm
Calling Doomlord Sinc, Calling Doomlord Sinc

It looks like it is time for a mid-week forum.

Token

6 Mar 12 at 5:21 pm
Hamster wants one of us to go to jail. It won’t be me, so it’s gunna be one of you lot, you ungentlemanly and unladylike reprobates.
I’m far too civilized.

hammygar said:

As soon as you have any degree of supervision, there is no longer a free press.

That’s a pretty severe test for the concept of “free”. There’s universe of stuff you can write that can pass supervision. But hurtful opinions must be severely restricted. As as the verdict in the Bolt case pointed out, hurt is unavoidably subjective. Publishers must always be alert to that possibility. I do think that bloggers and their commenters have to be held accountable as well, and Finkelstein recognises this.

We all know what reprehensible sites are Catallaxy and Professor Bunyip. Maybe a stretch in the clink can change attitudes for the better. It would only take one case.

Good to see he may be still alive though, I think.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 5:53 pm
O my head, two glasses too many last night, crabby this morning, a low backache, and now Stevie is going on, and on, and on, and on …. again.

Go and eat some contraceptives, Stevie. The rubber ones are good and chewy, but the pills slip down better.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

6 Mar 12 at 5:54 pm
Gillard finally solved her “boat people” problem by making it unlawful for tv stations to show them arriving – for privacy issues, of course – so you won’t have seen footage of the 700+ arrivals last week.

Yeah, I forgot about that.

She really is a revolting fascist.

C.L.

6 Mar 12 at 5:58 pm
Sorry, Lizzie, but people keep criticising my reasonable positions.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 5:58 pm
Stevie. The shit never tops flowing

tiny dancer

6 Mar 12 at 5:59 pm
Stepford.

No one here likes you. You know that , right?

JC

6 Mar 12 at 6:01 pm
JC, I am not going to come over all caring again to Hammy. He’s had my good advice.

I will just give him a bit of my best reprehension if he appears while I am in my present mood. HIA has escaped for the evening till I am over the grumps.

He’ll not be thrilled to know Hammy’s heading me for prison though. PMT is not a criminal offence – yet. Watch out Hammy, you are dealing with King Kong here as well as the Wicked Witch of the Right …. who just needs a little lie down for a while …

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

6 Mar 12 at 6:06 pm
Hammy-the-terminator needs to stop posting comments on blogs and do his bit for social justice, Lizzie. I’m getting a little impatient waiting now.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 6:08 pm
For once I sort of agree with Steve (probably the first time ever).

I don’t see the issue with contraceptives, and if they reduce teen pregancies etc so much the better. It’s kind of like how the French let the kids have a sip of wine when they’re young, and they end up with less alcholics and binge drinkers.

However, I don’t see it as the responsibility of the State to provide free frangers.

papachango

6 Mar 12 at 6:14 pm
papa,

There’s no shortages of contraception in the US. None.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 6:17 pm
JC at 1532, the girl on the left is cute, but the awesome lefty head tilt may mean she’s out of luck.
Who are the two crossdressing blokes?

Winston Smith

6 Mar 12 at 6:23 pm
The Obama contraception mandate (already in place in 28 states) is not about the State supplying it. How many times must this be repeated?

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 6:27 pm
I wasn’t referring to the one on the left (ours), Winston.

I was aghast at the one on the right. I think it’s Fraulein von Roxon out of uniform that day.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 6:27 pm
The Obama contraception mandate (already in place in 28 states) is not about the State supplying it. How many times must this be repeated?

And how many times does it have to be repeated to you that the state mandates don’t impact religious institutions as they have clear exemptions.

I’ve possibly mentioned this about 8 times and you choose to willfully ignore it.

Seriously Stepford, why don’t you just piss off and stop boring everyone to death.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 6:30 pm
JC – dimwit – if people start making generalised complaints about the mandate (such as “why should the government supply it” or “it doesn’t make economic sense”) then it is appropriate to point out that the mandate has been broadly in place in 28 States with no reported economic ill effects, and that in none of them is it the State supplying it.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 6:37 pm
Winston,

Got the seeds. They’re in a safe place.

So safe I can’t find them.

I blame work stress.

kae

6 Mar 12 at 6:42 pm
Gillard finally solved her “boat people” problem by making it unlawful for tv stations to show them arriving – for privacy issues, of course – so you won’t have seen footage of the 700+ arrivals last week.

Really? See, now why do we need a media regulator? We already have one.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 6:46 pm
Stevie. The shit never tops flowing

Henceforth to be known as Maroubra Steve.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 6:49 pm
It’s a source of much amusement to me, watching les the racist kiddie caper and gambol about the Cat. He’s a self-confessed troll and one of modest quality – perhaps 10% on the Margo scale.

His invincible ignorance, juvenile nature, lack of comprehension, hypocrisy and smugness seem to indicate that the end of leftist influence can be forecast. If this is the best they have, they are in trouble. I also like his complete lack of situational awareness and context he pretends to. The classic case here is his hysterical objection to use of the term ‘paleosiminan’ when I use it to describe terrorists/terrorist organisations.

Racistkiddie’s thesis is that as various loons on hate sites (which he seems to know a disturbing amount about) use the term as one of racist abuse, then any use of the term must be racist abuse.

This is the oldest, and simplest fallacy in logic. Here’s how to prove this observation correct:

Premise 1: If A = B, Premise2: and B = C Logical connection: Then (apply principle of equivalence) Conclusion: A = C

In order for an argument to be considered valid the logical form of the argument must work – must be valid. A valid argument is one in which, if the premises are true, then the conclusion must be true also. However, if one or more premise is false then a valid logical argument may still lead to a false conclusion.

Now examine racistkiddie’s premises:

Premise 1: term ‘paleosimian’=a racist term (A=B)

and

Premise 2: use of a racist term = user is a racist (B=C)

Conclusion: any use of term ‘paleosimian’ = user is a racist (A=C)

Let us now use the rules of logic and examine racistkiddie’s premises.

Premise 1. This premise is false. How can a term (one word) be racist in and of itself?

Let us examine this issue. The most well known racist term is the word ‘nigger’ (A=B). By racistkiddie’s ‘argument’, any use of this term must mean one is a racist (B=C). Yet, Frederick Douglass, in his excellent ‘Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass: An American Slave ’, contains the following sentence: “”Now,” said he, “if you teach that nigger (speaking of myself) how to read, there would be no keeping him. It would forever unfit him to be a slave.”

According to racistkiddie’s ‘argument’, Frederick Douglass was a racist! (A=C) Frederick Douglass!

This is ridiculous on its face. Racist kiddie’s Premise 1 is therefore false. Therefore his ‘argument’ is false and anyone can easily prove that for themselves. (Sorry, Daddy Dave, he sucked you in rather badly, but he’s a troll and they do that)

So, what does makes the use of that or any word offensive? Continuing this example, if one turns to Professor Randall Kennedy’s book ‘Nigger: The Strange Career of a Troublesome Word’ (2002), it quickly becomes clear that the answer lies in the context in which it is used. This is true of every word, of course.

So I can certainly use the dreaded N word freely and clearly, without hint of any offence to anyone (except racistkiddie and similar trolls and bedwetters). Here is an example: “Last night I finished reading Conrad’s allegory about loneliness, his 1898 novella ‘The Nigger of the Narcissus’ “ or “When he was a slave, Frederick Douglass said his owner referred to him in the following manner “…that nigger (speaking of myself)…”

Even the lowest and most ingrained racist like Les will be hard pressed to impute adverse motives in these examples.

Therefore, using the term ‘paleosimian’ to describe terrorists places it outside any possible racial context, just as using the term ‘barbarian’ would also be outside any possible racial context if so used.

The context counts – and there is no ‘race’ of terrorists. There is also no ‘race’ of Palestinians either, there’s now people in the land renamed by Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus ‘Palestina’ (Latin for Philistia) of Jewish faith (there is no ‘race’ of Jews now, it’s a religion), Arab Christians, Arab Muslims, Arab Druze, Samaritans, Turkic people of all sort of religious affiliation, Caucasians, South Asian peoples of all sorts of religion affiliation, mostly Catholic ethnic Malays and peoples of various African extractions of all sorts of religious affiliation.

It’s arguable that use of the term Palestinian as referring solely to Arab muslims living only in Gaza and the West bank is itself racist.

What this example does, aside from destroy racistkiddie’s risible thesis, is illustrate something about racistkiddie himself.

What he is doing here is viewing the issue through a racial lens. It’s about race, in his view.

Kindly note that fact.

That is the reason I dub him racistkiddie. What do we call someone who argues their view on a racial focus? Why, we call such a person ‘a racist’.

Ladies and gentlemen, you’ve been trolled by dear little Les, who is much, much less a human being than he pretends to be.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 6:51 pm
Sepford.

They are not the same mandate. Period. The states exempted the religious groups for their various mandates.

You can’t compare and you therefore need to stfu.

JC

6 Mar 12 at 6:52 pm
JC – dimwit – the criticisms have broadened. Limbaugh and and the Right wing blogosphere (including here) is brimming with objection to the very idea that the State should tell insurers they have to include contraception.

My point is clear. You are pretending not to understand.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 7:14 pm
Australia is historically an arbitrary outline on a British Imperial map, and contains in terms of ethnicities Arab, Israeli, and Greek, and culturally, two strands of Christianity, two strands of Judaism, and at least three major and very foreign (to the West and to each other) strands of Christianity.

Arab, Israeli and Greek? What does that post even goddamned well mean? Is that a definitive list of some sort??

Make sense man!

Historical populations of the region, divided by ethnicity and religion. Mk50 is aware, therefore it is arguable that Mk50 was not being, specifically, racist. I do not address the argument that he was being an ass.

For that to work, it would have to be a play on the word “Hamas” or something like that, rather than on “Palestinian”, which catches everyone in the net. I actually agree with the trolls on this one.

I agree to some extent, with the reservations I outlined.

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 7:16 pm
49

Is “n*gger” a term of racial abuse? Yes or no?

All I have said – and I invite you to review the archives – is that “Paleosimian” is a derogatory and abusive word for Palestinians – a term of racial abuse. The briefest and simplest possible google search reveals this to be the case.

I note your justifications for your use of this word. I think they are bullshit, but whatever.

But, look, as I have said previously, my personal view is that you should be free to keep using whatever words you want, short of incitement to violence.

Go ahead – use the word “n*gger”, if you feel the situation calls for it.

Use the word “Paleosimian”, if your vocabulary is so limited that that is the only word can find to express your feelings.

You may find this hard to credit, but I’d always defend your right to use those or any other words – reserving, of course, my own right to upbraid you when you do.

I also note that you seem to claim to be a serving member of the ADF.

I am not sure about the propriety of an officer – which I would assume you are – arguing on blogs for the right to say “n*gger” and “Paleosimian”, and I would have thought you were (at least) close to bringing discredit to the ADF with your antics, but I leave that to your fine professional judgment.

Anyway, good luck to your sir.

Les

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 7:17 pm
Les you sound like an ALP politician on Q&A. It is arguable which is more boring.

Tiny Dancer

6 Mar 12 at 7:21 pm
JC – dimwit – the criticisms have broadened. Limbaugh and and the Right wing blogosphere (including here) is brimming with objection to the very idea that the State should tell insurers they have to include contraception

Lol steve the conservative catholic thinks that the state forcing private companies to offer things for free is a better argument than the state offering it itself.

Socialism or fascism, hmmmm gee now that’s a hard one.

twostix

6 Mar 12 at 7:29 pm
Suggesting that terrorists, or even genocidal armies, are sub-human is not a very useful insult anyway.

Convincing yourself that it worth killing for a homeland, or to improve the genetic mix of your society, shows the use of human intellect and reasoning, not the absence of it. It’s reasoning that’s gone wrong, sure; but still reasoning.

Individual acts where soldiers have gone beyond what’s necessary and start acting out of a sense of excitement in the killing (or raping) – I suppose you could say that people have given themselves over to animal instinct for a time. But terrorist attacks or battles don’t start that way. Generally speaking.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 7:36 pm
Sally Sunshine, sugar and water sock puppet.

kae

6 Mar 12 at 7:40 pm
Just now watching 7.30 report Bob Brown interview, I dearly hope someone can do a transcript because I cannot keep up with all the topics covered, breathtaking…

hzhousewife

6 Mar 12 at 7:48 pm
JC – dimwit – the criticisms have broadened. Limbaugh and and the Right wing blogosphere (including here) is brimming with objection to the very idea that the State should tell insurers they have to include contraception.

So you agree that Catholic institutions should not be forced to purchase insurance that includes contraception?

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 7:51 pm
Suggesting that terrorists, or even genocidal armies, are sub-human is not a very useful insult anyway.

Perhaps, but it’s an understandable emotional response.

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 7:57 pm
28 States with no reported economic ill effects, and that in none of them is it the State supplying it.

Who pays for the mandated insurance policies steve?

The idea that something is “free” implies that no cost should be paid to receive a good.

Employers providing contraception to their workers have to pay for that benefit and employees often directly also with a co-pay.

When providing contraception to female employees becomes a part of the costs to hire her, ipso facto she must pay for that benefit through lower wages, less vacation time, fewer stock options, or most likely higher health insurance premiums.

Since all women must receive contraception coverage, this necessarily leads to a reduction in an individual woman’s freedom to choose other wage and benefit options that she may find more appealing than the birth control.

There would inevitably be perversions of the market whereby a woman who used to use a condom will now preferentially use the pill becasue it’s ‘free’ and she’s ‘paid for it already’.

Pills actually have a mortality risk albeit low they certainly have a thrombosis risk.

The simpleton assertion – as usual without evidence – of “no economic reported ill effects’ is bolox and/or meaningless on its face.

Andp lease give the strawman a rest.

The state mandates private insurance comp0nies what policies they offer. The cost will devolve to the customer.

The state doesn’t purchase or supply the pill

Why must you lie and dissimulate all the fvcn time steve?

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 7:58 pm
Yes, HZH, it is a very, very generous free kick for the Greens, no? Just like a paid political advertisement, no hard questions, and a policy excursion from a Green perspective.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

6 Mar 12 at 7:58 pm
racistkiddie, your posting pattern is interesting. Up until late, then posting mostly commences mid-late morning.

The pattern is typical of the welfare dependent, the mediocre student, state PS posting from a work computer, part time service sector or shift worker.

An the thought of you as a shift worker’s rather funny.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 8:00 pm
PAGING DOOMLORD

Hi, your magnificence.

Just a teensy request for a mid week open thread, please, if you’re not too busy with all that Dread Council stuff.

Thanks, Doomy.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 8:03 pm
racistkiddie, your posting pattern is interesting. Up until late, then posting mostly commences mid-late morning.

The pattern is typical of the welfare dependent, the mediocre student, state PS posting from a work computer, part time service sector or shift worker.

An the thought of you as a shift worker’s rather funny.

Nope, you’re way off the mark there.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 8:06 pm
i just saved myself from throwing up lizzie….
getting so cranky in my old age lol

hzhousewife

6 Mar 12 at 8:06 pm
racistkiddie, that has to be the most abject surrender since Kut

I note that you raise not a scintilla of response to the demolition of your ‘argument’.

That then, at least, is settled.

All you have left is a personal opinion, to which you are fully entitled.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 8:11 pm
Obama Re-Election Credited With Burst of Gun Sales
Gun sales boom in expectation of Obama re-election

Can’t really blame them. The walking holiday advertisement did warn everyone in a speech late last year:

“We stand at a fundamental crossroads for our country. You’re here because you know that in just 13 months, we’re going to make a choice that will impact our lives for decades to come …

let’s not forget what it meant when my husband appointed those two brilliant Supreme Court justices …

let’s not forget the impact that their decisions will have on our lives for decades to come.”

Add to that the tenuous 5-4 pro-freedom vote by the Supreme Court to uphold the Second Amendment then it’s understandable the natives are anxious.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 8:14 pm
Who pays for the mandated insurance policies steve?

Thanks for getting back to that important meme, JamesL, unlike Steve I am not living off the tax payers so I had to drop that line.

As I said earlier, it seems obvious that conservatives like Rush should avoid using potty mouth statements and rather do a vox pop among those low paid employees. Many are from very conservative backgrounds.

Get them to express their feelings about what they feel about the fact they earn less so upper middle class women can get free contraception.

Token

6 Mar 12 at 8:15 pm
For the decent denizens of the Cat.

Do NOT be decent with leftists! They know not truth, honour, morality or shame. They wage total war as their default option. Squishing something like racistkiddie is not hard – leftists are fundamentally stupid in that they believe their own bullsh*t and presume their own moral superiority.

That’s a recipe for arrogance and they have absolutely nothing to be arrogant about.

And so they suffer from hubris.

if you want to engage with them, then become nemesis, Use their own tools against them without hesitation, always attack, and always use facts and an actual moral basis argument.

That’s precisely what Breitbart did. It shatters them. They are soft, stupid and arrogant without cause to be. Use that.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 8:18 pm
I see the ABC not content with sliming the Aussie Catholic Church is now sliming the Italian Catholic Church in primetime.

Apparently they’ve found an lefty jounalist and a a leftist activist to say that the Church is breaking the law and Her bishops are like stecve liars etc etc etc.

Really this ABC needs to sold off to private enterprise so that there might be some return as well as future savings to taxpayers.

A board answerable to ASICS and the stock echange would have many indentured heads rolling and improved programming rather than this vile leftist propaganda.

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 8:23 pm
So funny. because its accurate.

Completely SFW.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 8:27 pm
Looks like Goose’s Mining Tax Revenue Projections are getting shaky again…

China’s Iron Demand Turns Down Under

A sharp downturn in China’s housing is already underway. Wang Tao, China economist at UBS , anticipates a double-digit decline in private housing starts when data for January and February are released this week….

…It’s especially bad news for the mining majors. Iron ore and coal comprise around two thirds of Australia’s exports to China, its largest trading partner.

Token

6 Mar 12 at 8:28 pm
It’s ok, 49. We can all tell your distress is profound, but you should not take things so personally.

If it’s any comfort, I think your defence of your right to use the words “n*gger” and “Paleosimian” was admirably heartfelt, even eloquent.

Certainly, given your years of service to the nation, if anyone has earned the right to say “n*gger” whenever he feels like it, then you have, sir.

Carry on.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 8:30 pm
if you want to engage with them,

Approach formlessness?

“If you are formless, the most penetrating spies will not be able to discern you, or the wisest counsels will not be able to do calculations against you.”

“If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.”

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 8:36 pm
A new open forum will open up tonight at midnight (Victorian time). I expect the 5,000,000 page view (since the last reboot) to occur sometime tomorrow. Thank you all for visiting and making the Cat a lively place.

Sinclair Davidson

6 Mar 12 at 8:45 pm
Very good.

Thank you, Sinclair.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 8:47 pm
From the Good Morning Herald a week ago:

The Australian Defence Force is investigating claims serving members posted racist and sexist material on a closed Facebook page….

Army chief Lieutenant General David Morrison told ABC TV in a statement that the issues raised were “serious”.

He said army headquarters was working to determine if any serving members were linked to the offensive comments posted on the Facebook page.

“Where they have been I intend to take action to deal with them to the extent that our policies and the laws allows,” Lieutenant Gen Morrison said.

From IQ49 – who claims to be in his fourth decade of service – today:

So I can certainly use the dreaded N word freely and clearly, without hint of any offence to anyone (except racistkiddie and similar trolls and bedwetters).

Perhaps it’s not just “bedwetters” who might take offence to your use of the word “n*gger”, 49, but also senior staff officers at the ADF.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 8:50 pm
Wreckage:

Perhaps, but it’s an understandable emotional response.

Someone I knew and liked was on duty at the CNOIP on 911. They did not survive. For that and other reasons, yeah, it’s a little personal.

An enemy who follows the rules is fine. Those who do not… no.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 8:50 pm
Shut up Tao. I’ve been tempted to look at getting a HR licence and doing shotfirers course for the golden west.

.

6 Mar 12 at 8:51 pm
Lift your game please, racistkiddie. Your tactics failed. You have to try some new ones. That youa re merely trying to repeat old ones shows that you have nothing left.

Did you even notice the word ‘example’ when I noted your logical fallacy above?

All you are showing here is the inability to comprehend simple English – and we already know you are a bear of very little brain.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 8:59 pm
(It may be related to how enlarged prostates have been clinically proven to co-relate to climate change denialism with an extraordinary degree of precision.)

Euw. Ick. Gross. Now I never accused Steve of being a KF (contrary to the assertions of certain buffoonish trolls who inhabit Catallaxy), but I did say I wouldn’t let him near my children. Comments like this make me feel entirely justified in doing so.

Steve, you are a sick, weird, sex-obsessed creep. And you are constantly allowed to hijack threads with your creepy, sex-obsessed weirdness.

WHY DO WE ACCEPT THIS??

Oh come on

6 Mar 12 at 9:00 pm
Euw. Ick. Gross.

Are you nine years old?

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 9:01 pm
Fine point here, in Australa the pill is in three-monthly lots for the sum of $35 odd.

kae

6 Mar 12 at 9:03 pm
Jam a crap in it, Les. You have nothing useful to add. That’s because you are, as you admit, a troll.

Oh come on

6 Mar 12 at 9:04 pm
This new crop of the Cat’s wingers is particularly excitable and hysterical.

They are always “quaking to their marrowbones” at something or another.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 9:05 pm
Jam a crap in it, Les.

Euw. Ick. Gross.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 9:06 pm
Glad you think so.

Oh come on

6 Mar 12 at 9:08 pm
Kae, thumping down here, minor road flooding. Is up your way OK?

Just about to log off and settle down with General Van Tien Dung’s memoirs (Our Great Spring Victory, Te Gioi press). One of the boys got it for me in Saigon.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 9:10 pm
This new crop of the Cat’s wingers is particularly excitable and hysterical.

They are always “quaking to their marrowbones” at something or another.

What are you talking about? You oscillate between intelligent contrarian and random word generator with alarming speed.

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 9:12 pm
This new crop of the Cat’s wingers is particularly excitable and hysterical.

Says the KF!!!!!!!! screecher. Hypocrisy, much?

Oh come on

6 Mar 12 at 9:12 pm
Just about to log off and settle down with General Van Tien Dung’s memoirs (Our Great Spring Victory, Te Gioi press).

Does he talk about how the VC won because of their superior logistics? LOL

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 9:13 pm
WHY DO WE ACCEPT THIS??

I don’t – I’m absolutely fed up with the boring sex obsessed twat and have been making my displeasure known in no uncertain terms…

Certain others here feel the same way.

Quite frankly I wish Sinc simply ban the monomaniacal moron.

Rabz

6 Mar 12 at 9:13 pm
You oscillate between intelligent contrarian and random word generator with alarming speed.

No you are lying.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 9:13 pm
An enemy who follows the rules is fine. Those who do not… no.

Seems like the do as I say not as I do mentality.

kelly liddle

6 Mar 12 at 9:15 pm
Rabz, OCO

Too bad you weren’t here last year (I assume you weren’t).

Steve offered to send Gab a “Weinergram”. Maybe that tax-dodging son of a bitch is a little weird.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 9:16 pm
Kelly, it sounds as though you have no idea what you’re talking about. Just sayin’.

Oh come on

6 Mar 12 at 9:16 pm
Seems like the do as I say not as I do mentality.

Such as ossie bin laden’s alleged advice to his kiddies?

Rabz

6 Mar 12 at 9:17 pm
Those who don’t know war talk tactics. Those that think they know war talk strategy.

Those that know war talk logistics.

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 9:19 pm
Rabz, OCO

Too bad you weren’t here last year (I assume you weren’t).

Steve offered to send Gab a “Weinergram”. Maybe that tax-dodging son of a bitch is a little weird.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 9:21 pm
Oh dear…

how the VC won

Poor little Les, you do SO like beclowning yourself! You seriously think the National Liberation Front (Viet Cong) won in 1975?

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 9:21 pm
Oh come on

Name a war where it was fought fairly? Name a war where the allies acted so nicely to the enemy not ever breaking any Geneva convention. It does not exist war is bad whether deliberate or not Abu Grabe, Guantanamoe you name it but these are the recent examples.

Rabz
I dont’ know what you are talking about you will have to explain more to me.

kelly liddle

6 Mar 12 at 9:22 pm
Those that know war talk logistics.

Yes, McNamara was a wiz at logistics. So were Rummy and Cheney.

Fat lot of good it did us.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 9:24 pm
kelly, “fair fight” means different things to different people. Almost all people of almost all nations abhor the targeting of civilians for terror attacks.

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 9:25 pm
LOAC, Kelly, LOAC.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 9:26 pm
Yes, McNamara was a wiz at logistics. So were Rummy and Cheney.

Fat lot of good it did us.

Hey, you’ve got more to say than that, right? At least give me something better than a stamp and pout to chew on.

“Logistics is NOT! *stamp*” might be your sincere opinion, but if we’re going to fight you’re going to have to stop flouncing and actually throw some punches.

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 9:28 pm
An enemy who follows the rules is fine. Those who do not… no.

Sounds like what Ludendorff said to justify the murder of Belgian citizens in 1914.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 9:30 pm
Sounds like what Ludendorff said to justify the murder of Belgian citizens in 1914.

You know who else hated Ludendorff? ADOLF HITLER.

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 9:31 pm
Seems like the do as I say not as I do mentality.

Pay attention, please Kelly, this gets written down once.

Apparently, it’s emerged (a short while ago) that bin laden advised his kiddies to renounce jihad and go to the west and gain an education.

If that aint “do as I say not as I do” then I don’t know what would be.

Rabz

6 Mar 12 at 9:32 pm
i know zilch about warfare and military history but who doesn’t just adore a man in uniform.

except for adolf

candy

6 Mar 12 at 9:34 pm
Almost all people of almost all nations abhor the targeting of civilians for terror attacks.

Really do you live in the current world? Where is the outrage when the US does this even to there own civilians when located overseas? http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/29605509/detail.html I do like Ron Pauls outrage though but he is in the minority if targeting civilians was a serious issue then Ron Paul would be winning the race and he is not.

kelly liddle

6 Mar 12 at 9:34 pm
You know who else hated Ludendorff? ADOLF HITLER.

Your point?

I don’t think Adolf disliked Ludes because he thought the old guy was too soft on francs-tireurs.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 9:35 pm
i know zilch about warfare and military history but who doesn’t just adore a man in uniform.

George Negus?

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 9:36 pm
Mk50
Webbed feet up here. Grass is so long I’ve almost lost Meggie, poor thing has high, wet grass to deal with. Floyd’s fine, under the pergola.
House is dry, which is good!
Haven’t checked the rain gauge, but emptied it Monday AM of 72mm.

kae

6 Mar 12 at 9:36 pm
Wreckage, I’m still chuckling over his ‘da VC wunnit’ clanger. Hope no-one tells the NVA that. They’d be miffed.

He’s still trolling his little heart out, isn’t he?

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 9:36 pm
Rabz
Agree with you and I think it is not all that uncommon with some mob bosses at least going by the movies do the same only show the honest business to the kids.

kelly liddle

6 Mar 12 at 9:37 pm
Really do you live in the current world?

You are asserting that the US military targets civilians for terror attacks? While I am not enamoured of drone-strike assassinations of terrorist leaders, that’s what this was. It went wrong. Please, tell me, what military target were the 911 terrorists aiming at when they accidentally hit the Twin Towers?

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 9:40 pm
‘George Negus?’
yeah, he’s pretty jealous of the young hero.

candy

6 Mar 12 at 9:41 pm
You know who else hated Ludendorff? ADOLF HITLER

I actually think this might be the weirdest invocation of Mr Godwin ever. Hating on Ludendorff = Hitlerian. Who knew.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 9:41 pm
i know zilch about warfare and military history but who doesn’t just adore a man in uniform.

George Negus?

Nah, that was “the neg”, a psychological signalling device used by “pick up artists” to intrigue their targets with ostensible aloofness.

George is white-hot for him. He just doesn’t want to be seen as needy.

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 9:42 pm
“except for adolf”

Candy why are you reducing the size of the pond many Aldolf’s would be unhappy about this.

kelly liddle

6 Mar 12 at 9:42 pm
I actually think this might be the weirdest invocation of Mr Godwin ever. Hating on Ludendorff = Hitlerian. Who knew.

I’m making a specific point. If you read over it a few times you should get it. Once you get it, feel free to disagree with it.

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 9:44 pm
‘Candy why are you reducing the size of the pond many Aldolf’s would be unhappy about this’

Kelly, well i know adolf got the iron cross in ww1 and all,
but his hairstyle just turns a girl right off, you now how it is.

candy

6 Mar 12 at 9:47 pm
You seriously think the National Liberation Front (Viet Cong) won in 1975?

Who said anything about 1975? Not me.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 9:48 pm
If you read over it a few times you should get it.

I did but I don’t.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 9:49 pm
Kae, 105mm emptied on Sunday PM when it stopped. Had maybe 20mm since sundown. Pool is brimming!

Snuck out between showers on the weekend and did the lawns. Cow of a jib when its soggy.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 9:50 pm
jib=job.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 9:50 pm
wreckage

In no way am I arguing that Al Qaeda is good only that the US is not so different if you watched one of the wikileaks video, in one case an attack was carried out deliberately which would kill a civilian even if he was not the target and only 30 seconds of waiting time and then he would not have been killed. I am not even arguing that the government approves of these things but that they do happen if the general approval is given.

kelly liddle

6 Mar 12 at 9:53 pm
The simpleton assertion – as usual without evidence – of “no economic reported ill effects’ is bolox and/or meaningless on its face.

JamesK has obviously become an expert on the economics of health insurance in the States.

I have provided links before (and here’s another one) to summaries of the actual studies that indicate (based on years of experience of funds that have covered contraception) that it costs very little to cover and likely saves employers money:

When indirect costs such as time away from work and productivity loss are considered, they further reduce the total cost to an employer. Global Health Outcomes developed a model that incorporates costs of contraception, costs of unintended pregnancy, and indirect costs. They find that it saves employers $97 per year per employee to offer a comprehensive contraceptive benefit.[13] Similarly, the PwC actuaries state that after all effects are taken into account, providing contraceptive services is “cost-saving.”[14]

But James would rather pull ideas out of his backside as to why I can’t be right and must be “lying”.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 9:53 pm
An enemy who follows the rules is fine. Those who do not… no.

Sounds like what ~~Ludendorff~~ ADOLF HITLER said to justify the murder of ~~Belgian citizens in 1914~~ the jews.

Now do you understand?

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 9:54 pm
When indirect costs such as time away from work and productivity loss are considered, they further reduce the total cost to an employer. Global Health Outcomes developed a model that incorporates costs of contraception, costs of unintended pregnancy, and indirect costs. They find that it saves employers $97 per year per employee to offer a comprehensive contraceptive benefit.

The Catholics don’t want $97 a year. They want freedom of conscience. Listen, ok, if they just pay you fucking thugs the $97 will you leave them alone?

No…. forget I asked. You won’t. Like CS Lewis said, it’s the moralisers, not the thugs, that really grind people into the dirt.

You have your ideal. They must comply. Nothing else matters; only their submission to your will.

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 9:58 pm
Nope, still don’t follow. Sorry. Perhaps 49 can explain it to me. He’s a very clear thinker.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 9:58 pm
Mark 50, I like the cut of your jib.

.

6 Mar 12 at 9:58 pm
Nope, still don’t follow. Sorry.

No you are lying.

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 9:59 pm
wreckage
I don’t dissagree with you last comment at all that is why a nation should never succumb to justifying breaking the rules as it leads down a bad path. I remember my mum saying how the Japanese were worse than the Germans because they never declared war which is what the US is doing now.

kelly liddle

6 Mar 12 at 10:00 pm
I remember my mum saying how the Japanese were worse than the Germans because they never declared war which is what the US is doing now.

What? The terrorists declared war. Repeatedly. In print, on television, on videos on the ‘net.

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 10:03 pm
In fact, the direction goes to the health insurer to provide the cover at no extra cost. The Catholic institution will not be not complicit in causing this extra benefit to be available at all.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 10:04 pm
Nice joke, les!

Does he talk about how the VC won because of their superior logistics?

Who said anything about 1975? Not me.

Oh, wait… you… you are serious!

/\/\/\

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 10:04 pm
does anyone else think the hate campaign against Yumi is over the top. she’s a young woman with children after all. everyone makes mistakes when they’re young.

candy

6 Mar 12 at 10:05 pm
Mk50
You win!
But I still have webbed feet.
I’ll really be concerned when the dogs start quacking.
8^D

kae

6 Mar 12 at 10:06 pm
wreckage
I am not talking about the terrorists. What do terrorists have to do with the US government are you suggesting they are terrorists?

If you consider a vague declaration of war against anyone who is against the US national interest anywhere on the planet a declaration of war, well I dissagree with you.

kelly liddle

6 Mar 12 at 10:09 pm
She’s “young and naive” eh, candy?

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 10:11 pm
I remember my mum saying how the Japanese were worse than the Germans because they never declared war which is what the US is doing now.

Indeed. The Poles, Belgians and Russians really appreciated those most pleasantly drafted declarations of war that the Germans delivered to them.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 10:11 pm
In fact, the direction goes to the health insurer to provide the cover at no extra cost. The Catholic institution will not be not complicit in causing this extra benefit to be available at all.

Perhaps they are not interested in the money. Perhaps they are interested only in the imposition of will. You are saying they should be happy because a means of defying that will has been removed. Why should they be pleased with, or submit to, a measure that crushes their defiance of the monolithic will of the State?

Let us imagine that I like lace-up shoes. However it has been decreed that vecro shoes save taxpayers and businesses $97 a year in lace-up time, so the government instructs me to buy velcro shoes. I reject that as an imposition on my basic freedom to not buy velcro shoes if I don’t want them. That’s OK, says the government, we will simply make it illegal for anyone to sell you any shoe that is not velcro.

Am i supposed to be pleased by this outcome?

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 10:12 pm
How much is very little money SoB?

$10? $50? $97Lunch money?

Do-gooder & .gov mongrels are always reaching into my wallet for;
a. my own good,
b. a Fair Go,
c. for the greater good,
d. because we can,
e. you know it makes sense,
f. for the children,
g. to save the planet,

I am getting just a little weary of paying other people’s way.

Pay your own way, bludgers.

Pedro the Ignorant

6 Mar 12 at 10:14 pm
But James would rather pull ideas out of his backside as to why I can’t be right and must be “lying”.

So a mandate for an insurance provider to provide ‘insurance’ for the pill has no economic cost according to steve because lotsa studies say it saves the insurance companies money.

But if it saved the insurance companies money why would there be the need for a mandate you fact defying lying t0sser?

A question you have been asked many times and declined to answer.

Also why wouldn’t insurance companies also provide a lifetime supply of vitamins, gym memberships, exercise equipment, fruits and vegetables in the name of cost saving preventative care, steve?

If you refuse to accept the bleedin’ obvious you are ipso facto fraudulent

Additionally it’s by no means the only example of how you lie here every day and in almost every comment you make.

Grow up steve.

You are a liar who lies all the fvcn time.

you’ve been doing it so long you are probably now quite incapable of differentiating true from false.

I’m jack of your deceitful drivel.

Commenters here clearly hate your guts because of your dishonesty amd inabilty to concede even the bleedin’ obvious.

You are an utterly shameless perennially dishonest leftist troll.

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 10:14 pm
(Psst! Wreckage, old bean, he’s not going to get it, By George, I don’t think he’s going to get it!)

With apologies to Lerner and Loewe!

Kelly? Here’s the declaration of war known in the trade as ‘The Ladenese Epistle‘.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 10:16 pm
Les
My mum could have been a bit wrong. Maybe she followed the US too much, the Germans at least declared war against them. Like how too many people follow the US in this day and age. While they have their good points they also have bad points.

kelly liddle

6 Mar 12 at 10:19 pm
Kae, I think YOU are going to win in the getting soaked stakes. Looks it’s easing here, and the BOM looks like bad news for you.

The puppy has just refused to go outside at all recently. Puts a paw on the grass, looks uncertain and scampers back inside.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 10:19 pm
wreckage: your analogy doesn’t work.

The true analogy is this: the government orders that your show supplier provide, for free, foam innersoles to the shoes you already buy. It will likely help the employer and employee by reducing foot injuries, and days off work, but the government is mainly interested in doing it to reduce health system costs overall. Besides, and 98% of employees like the innersoles anyway.

The government does not see why employers should be able to prevent this measure, which health administrators have recommended to it, just because they personally don’t like wearing innersoles, and feel everyone should share their value judgements on innersoles.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 10:20 pm
In fact, the direction goes to the health insurer to provide the cover at no extra cost. The Catholic institution will not be not complicit in causing this extra benefit to be available at all.

What a shameless lying t0sser you are steve.

Who pays the insurance companies to provide the goods and services ‘free of charge’?

Obummer or the Catholic institution?

You are a thoroughly reprehensible individual.

You are a liar steve.

Lying is your sine qua non characteristic

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 10:21 pm
If you consider a vague declaration of war against anyone who is against the US national interest anywhere on the planet a declaration of war, well I dissagree with you.

You think it’s not a declaration of war? Or it is but you don’t like it?

Perhaps they should send messengers around on horseback with trumpets, if that would be more to your liking.

daddy dave

6 Mar 12 at 10:22 pm
No one likes you stepford,they really don’t.

Jc　

6 Mar 12 at 10:23 pm
A question you have been asked many times and declined to answer.

JamesK, I have addressed the issue directly and forthrightly on more than one occasion.

You just prefer to rant than to debate properly.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 10:24 pm
Bloody hell this is a Libertarian site isn’t it? What the hell is the arguement about “compulsory” insurance it should never be a socialist dream full stop.

kelly liddle

6 Mar 12 at 10:24 pm
Where do these “free” innersoles come from?

Fantasy Island? FMD.

Pedro the Ignorant

6 Mar 12 at 10:25 pm
HEY! How is it that Les can link to a previous Cat comment (ie Steve’s Weinergram) and no one else can? What’s the story, Les?

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 10:26 pm
Step

No one likes you, they really don’t.

Jc　

6 Mar 12 at 10:26 pm
Look, can someone else tell JamesK that repeating 50 times a day “you’re a lying tosser liar who lies” is not actually engaging in debate?

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 10:26 pm
Steve thinks if he prattles on about compulsory third party sex insurance enough, we’ll cave.

This little digger & driller is not for caving.

.

6 Mar 12 at 10:27 pm
Test

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 10:27 pm
DD
That means sections of Australia are at war with the US and this is not acceptable. I am sure some of us are against the national interest of the US. NDAA does authorise anything anywhere as long as a certificate is presented to the congress by the secretary of defence.

kelly liddle

6 Mar 12 at 10:28 pm
Look, can someone else tell JamesK that repeating 50 times a day “you’re a lying tosser liar who lies” is not actually engaging in debate?

Can you stop lying or do you need some stronger lithium or Clonazepam to do so?

.

6 Mar 12 at 10:29 pm
Pedro: the inner soles are actually cut offs left over from shoe manufacturing. It costs next to nothing for the shoe maker to supply them for free.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 10:29 pm
JamesK, I have addressed the issue directly and forthrightly on more than one occasion.

You just prefer to rant than to debate properly.

Stop lying steve.

Please stop being a shameful excuse for a man.

Answer the question.

You haven’t so far.

I’ve asked you; JC has asked; and Token and a few more.

On each occasion I have never seen you answer.

It’s possible you may have somewhere.

I have never seen you rerspond on the multiple occasions I have asked or that I’ve seen others ask.

Go!

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 10:29 pm
Look can someone else tell Steve that posting the same crap and lies about the 28 states is not actually engaging in debate?

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 10:29 pm
Yes dot: you and JamesK have a lot in common. You’re also all related to Bird in some way.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 10:30 pm
Pedro: the inner soles are actually cut offs left over from shoe manufacturing. It costs next to nothing for the shoe maker to supply them for free.

You are an offcut of society and ought to be my slave.

.

6 Mar 12 at 10:30 pm
Yes dot: you and JamesK have a lot in common. You’re also all related to Bird in some way.

Fun fact: you’re a douchebag.

.

6 Mar 12 at 10:31 pm
In fact, the direction goes to the health insurer to provide the cover at no extra cost.

Am I the only one who finds that steve so naturally defends a government forcing a private company to provide goods to its cusomters “at no extra cost” utterly stomach turning?

You are a classic fascist Steve.

twostix

6 Mar 12 at 10:34 pm
No answer to the precise question and there never was from steve-the-cowardly-Liar®.

He just lied yet again

A t0sser who never fails to miss an opportunity to behave with any dignity.

JamesK

6 Mar 12 at 10:37 pm
Maybe Steve believes that stuff when he gets a phone call and they say they are not selling anything it is free.

kelly liddle

6 Mar 12 at 10:37 pm
Am i supposed to be pleased by this outcome?

Pleased? Your question is ridiculous.

No lace-up shoes, must wear velcro. The horror and deprivation knows no bounds.

Really, if that is or could be a preoccupation for you, then life is wasted on you.

Kelly of Kenmore

6 Mar 12 at 10:40 pm
. . . . It costs next to nothing …

“next to nothing” How much? 25 cents, $1?

Please explain why I should pay anything for .gov mandated innersoles in my shoes.

Mindboggling.

Pedro the Ignorant

6 Mar 12 at 10:41 pm
The Catholic institution will not be not complicit in causing this extra benefit to be available at all.

Disagreeing with Steve:

Steve and USA Today versus:

Province of Anchorage:

■1. Archbishop Roger Schweitz, of Anchorage, AK
■2. Bishop Edward Burns, of Juneau, AK
■3. Bishop Donald Kettler of Fairbanks, AK

Province of Atlanta:

■4. Archbishop Wilton Gregory , of Atlanta, GA
■5. Bishop Robert Guglielmone, of Charleston, SC
■6. Bishop Peter Jugis, of Charlotte, NC
■7. Bishop Michael Burbidge, of Raleigh, NC
■8. Bishop Gregory Hartmayer, of Savannah, GA

Province of Baltimore:

■9. Cardinal-designate Edwin O’Brien, of Baltimore, MD
■10. Bishop Paul Loverde, of Arlington, VA
■11. Bishop Francis DiLorenzo, of Richmond VA
■12. Bishop Michael Bransfield, of Wheeling-Charleston, WV
■13. Bishop Francis Malooly, of Wilmington, DE

Province of Boston:

■14. Sean Cardinal O’Malley, of Boston, MA
■15. Bishop Salvatore Matano,of Burlington, VT
■16. Bishop George Coleman, of Fall River, MA
■17. Bishop Peter Libasci, of Manchester, NH
■18. Bishop Richard Malone, of Portland, ME
■19. Bishop Timothy McDonnell, of Springfield, MA
■20. Bishop Robert McManus, of Worcester, MA

Province of Chicago:

■21. Francis Cardinal George of Chicago, IL
■22. Bishop Edward Braxton, of Belleville, IL
■23. Bishop Daniel Conlon, of Joliet, IL
■24. Bishop Daniel Jenky, of Peoria, IL
■25. Bishop Thomas Doran, of Rockford, IL
■26. Bishop Thomas Paprocki, of Springfield, IL
Province of Cincinnati:
■27. Archbishop Dennis Schnurr, of Cincinnati, OH
■28. Bishop Richard Lennon, of Cleveland, OH
■29. Bishop Frederick Campbell, of Columbus, OH
■Monsignor Kurt Kemo (apostolic administrator), of Steubenville, OH
■30. Bishop Leonard Blair, of Toledo, OH
■31. Bishop George Murry, of Youngstown, OH

Province of Denver:

■32. Bishop James Conley, Apostolic Administrator of Denver, CO
■33. Bishop Paul Etienne, of Cheyenne, WY
■34. Bishop Michael Sheridan, of Colorado Springs, CO
■35. Bishop Fernando Isern, of Pueblo, CO
Province of Detroit:
■36. Archbishop Allen Vigneron, of Detroit, MI
■37. Bishop Bernard Hebda, of Gaylord, MI
■38. Bishop Walter Hurley, of Grand Rapids, MI
■39. Bishop Paul Bradley, of Kalamazoo, MI
■40. Bishop Earl Boyea, of Lansing, MI
■41. Bishop Alexander Sample, of Marquette, MI
■42. Bishop Joseph Cistone, of Saginaw, MI

Province of Dubuque:

■43. Archbishop Jerome Hanus, of Dubuque, IA
■44. Bishop Martin Amos, of Davenport, IA
■45. Bishop Richard Pates, of Des Moines, IA
■46. Bishop Walter Nickless, of Sioux City, IA

Province of Galveston-Houston:

■47. Daniel Cardinal DiNardo, of Galveston-Houston, TX
■48. Bishop Joe Vasquez, of Austin, TX
■49. Bishop Curtis Guillory, of Beaumont, TX
■50. Bishop Daniel Flores, of Brownsville, TX
■51. Bishop Michael Mulvey, of Corpus Christi, TX
■52. Bishop Alvaro Corrada (apostolic administrator) of Tyler TX
■53. Bishop David Fellhauer of Victoria, TX

Province of Hartford:

■54. Archbishop Henry Mansell, of Hartford, CT
■55. Bishop William Lori, of Bridgeport, CT
■56. Bishop Michael Cote, of Norwich, CT
■57. Bishop Thomas Tobin, of Providence, RI

Province of Indianapolis:

■58. Bishop Christopher Coyne, Apostolic Administrator of Indianapolis, IN
■59. Bishop Charles Thompson, of Evansville, IN
■60. Bishop Kevin Rhoades, of Fort Wayne-South Bend, IN
■61. Bishop Dale Melczek, of Gary, IN
■62. Bishop Timothy Doherty, of Lafayette, IN
Province of Kansas City:

■63. Archbishop Joseph Naumann, of Kansas City, KS
■Father Barry Brinkman (apostolic administrator) of Salina, KS
■64. Bishop Michael Jackels, of Wichita, KS

Province of Los Angeles:

■65. Archbishop Jose Gomez, of Los Angeles, CA
■Roger Cardinal Mahoney (emeritus), of Los Angeles, CA
■66. Bishop Armando Ochoa, of Fresno, CA (also apostolic administrator of El Paso)
■67. Bishop Tod Brown, of Orange, CA
■68. Bishop Gerald Barnes, of San Bernadino, CA
■69. Bishop Robert Brom, of San Diego, CA
■70. Bishop Richard Garcia of Monterey, CA

Province of Louisville:

■71. Archbishop Joseph Kurtz, of Louisville, KY
■72. Bishop Roger Foys, of Covington, KY
■73. Bishop Richard Stika, of Knoxville, TN
■74. Bishop Ronald Gainer, of Lexington, KY (better link needed)
■75. Bishop Terry Steib, of Memphis, TN
■76. Bishop David Choby, of Nashville, TN
■77. Bishop WIlliam Medley, of Owensboro, KY

Province of Miami:

■78. Archbishop Thomas Wenski, of Miami, FL (also apostolic administrator of Pensacola-Tallahassee)
■79. Bishop John Noonan, of Orlando, FL
■80. Bishop Gerald Barbarito, of Palm Beach, FL
■81. Bishop Felipe Estevez, of St Augustine, FL
■82. Bishop Robert Lynch, of St Petersburg, FL
■83. Bishop Frank Dewane, of Venice, FL

Province of Milwaukee:

■84. Archbishop Jerome Listecki, of Milwaukee, WI
■85. Bishop David Ricken, of Green Bay, WI
■86. Bishop William Callahan, of La Crosse, WI
■87. Bishop Robert Morlino, of Madison, WI
■88. Bishop Peter Christensen, of Superior, WI

Province of Mobile:

■89. Archbishop Thomas Rodi of Mobile, AL
■90. Bishop Robert Baker of Birmingham, AL
■91. Bishop Joseph Latino of Jackson, MS

Province of New Orleans:

■92. Archbishop Gregory Aymond, of New Orleans, LA
■93. Bishop Ronald Herzog, of Alexandria, LA
■94. Bishop Robert Muench, of Baton Rouge, LA
■95. Bishop Sam Jacobs, of Houma-Thibodaux, LA
■96. Bishop Michael Jarrell, of Lafayette, LA
■97. Bishop Glen Provost, of Lake Charles, LA
■98. Bishop Michael Duca, of Shreveport, LA

Province of New York:

■99. Cardinal-designate Timothy Dolan, of New York, NY
■Edward Cardinal Egan, of New York, NY (emeritus)
■100. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio, of Brooklyn, NY
■101. Bishop Edward Kmiec, of Buffalo, NY
■102. Bishop Terry LaValley, of Ogdensburg, NY
■103. Bishop Matthew Clark, of Rochester, NY
■104. Bishop William Murphy, of Rockville Centre, NY
■105. Bishop Robert Cunningham, of Syracuse, NY
■106. Bishop Howard Hubbard of Albany, NY

Province of Newark:

■107. Archbishop John Meyers, of Newark, NJ
■108. Bishop Joseph Galante, of Camden, NJ
■109. Bishop Arthur Serratelli, of Paterson, NJ
■110. Bishop David O’Connell, of Trenton, NJ
■111. Bishop Paul Bootkoski of Metuchen, NJ

Province of Oklahoma City:

■112. Archbishop Paul Coakley, of Oklahoma City, OK
■113. Bishop Anthony Taylor, of Little Rock, AR
■114. Bishop Edward Slattery, of Tulsa, OK

Province of Omaha:

■115. Archbishop George Lucas, of Omaha, NE
■116. Bishop William Dendinger, of Grand Island, NE
■117. Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz, of Lincoln, NE

Province of Philadelphia:

■118. Archbishop Charles Chaput, of Philadelphia, PA
■119. Bishop John Barres, of Allentown, PA
■120. Bishop Mark Bartchak, of Altoona-Johnstown, PA
■121. Bishop Lawrence Brandt, of Greensburg, PA
■122. Bishop Joseph McFadden, of Harrisburg, PA
■123. Bishop David Zubik, of Pittsburgh, PA (Twice!)
■124. Bishop Joseph Bambera, of Scranton, PA
■125. Bishop Donald Trautman of Eire, PA

Province of Portland:

■126. Archbishop John Vlazny, of Portland, OR
■127. Bishop William Skystad (apostolic administrator) of Baker, OR
■128. Bishop Michael Driscoll, of Boise, ID
■129. Bishop Michael Warfel, of Great Falls-Billings, MT
■130. Bishop George Thomas, of Helena, MT

Province of Saint Louis:

■131. Archbishop Robert Carlson, of Saint Louis, MO
■132. Bishop John Gaydos, of Jefferson City, MO
■133. Bishop Robert Finn, of Kansas City-Saint Joseph, MO
■134. Bishop James Johnston, of Springfield-Cape Girardeau, MO

Province of Saint Paul and Minneapolis:

■135. Archbishop John Nienstedt, of Saint Paul and Minneapolis, MN
■136. Bishop David Kagan, of Bismarck, ND
■137. Bishop Samuel Aquila, of Fargo, ND
■138. Bishop John LeVoir, of New Ulm, MN
■139. Bishop Robert Gruss, of Rapid City, SD
■140. Bishop Paul Swain, of Sioux Falls, SD
■141. Bishop John Quinn, of Winona, MN
■142. Bishop Paul Sirba of Duluth, MN
■143. Bishop Michael Hoeppner, of Crookston, MN

Province of San Antonio:

■144. Archbishop Gustavo Garcia-Siller, of San Antonio, TX
■145. Bishop Patrick Zurek, of Amarillo, TX
■146. Bishop Kevin Farrell, of Dallas, TX
■147. Bishop Kevin Vann, of Fort Worth, TX
■Bishop Armando Ochoa (apostolic administrator) of El Paso, TX
■148. Bishop James Tamayo, of Laredo, TX
■149. Bishop Placido Rodriguez, of Lubbock, TX
■150. Bishop Michael Pfeifer, of San Angelo, TX

Province of San Francisco:

■151. Archbishop George Niederauer of San Francisco, CA
■152. Bishop Joseph Pepe, of Las Vegas, NV
■153. Bishop Randolph Calvo, of Reno, NV
■154. Bishop Jaime Soto, of Sacramento, CA
■155. Bishop John Wester, of Salt Lake City, UT
■156. Bishop Patrick McGrath, of San Jose, CA
■157. Bishop Stephen Blaire, of Stockton, CA
■158. Bishop Larry Silva of Honolulu, HI

Province of Santa Fe:

■159. Archbishop Michael Sheehan, of Santa Fe, NM
■160. Bishop James Wall, of Gallup, NM (better link needed)
■161. Bishop Thomas Olmsted, of Phoenix, AZ
■162. Bishop Gerald Kicanas, Tuscon, AZ

Province of Seattle:

■Archbishop Peter Sartain, of Seattle, WA
■163. Bishop Joseph Tyson, of Yakima, WA

Province of Washington:

■164. Donald Cardinal Wuerl, of Washington, DC

Archeparchy of Philadelphia (Eastern Rite)

■165. Bishop Richard Seminack, Eparchy of Chicago, IL
Metropolita of Pittsburgh (Eastern Rite) + Sui Iuris:

■166. Archbishop-elect William Skurla, ArchEparchy of Pittsburgh (currently bishop of Passaic) (better link needed)
■167. Bishop Gerald Dino, Eparchy of Phoenix, AZ
■168. Bishop John Kudrick, Eparchy of Parma, OH

MILITARY SERVICES

■169. Archbishop Timothy Broglio, of Military Services, USA

SPECIAL MENTION: “The Assembly of Orthodox Bishops in North America just issued a formal statement of protest against the HHS mandate in which the Assembly, representing all 53 Orthodox bishops in North America, references their complete agreement with the statements of the USCCB.”

■ And Pope Benedict XVI

C.L.

6 Mar 12 at 10:45 pm
I will answer my own question; “it’s for my own good”.

F*^&ing fascist.

Ned Kelly had the decency to wear a mask before robbing people.

Pedro the Ignorant

6 Mar 12 at 10:45 pm
Urgh! Just read through the 7.30 Report transcript. Bob Brown is an ugly vile little man. I don’t mean on the outside, although he’s no oil painting there either. Dangerous to this country and a threat to our democracy.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 10:46 pm
CL
Gab will be annoyed with you another half second to reload the page each time.

kelly liddle

6 Mar 12 at 10:47 pm
Gab – Les went into spam when he linked back and I retrieved it.

Sinclair Davidson

6 Mar 12 at 10:50 pm
No Kelly. What is annoying and mind-numbingly boring is Steve’s obsessive rants about…whatever the hell he rants about as I no longer read his inane and inaccurate screed.

His 572 comments on here is what slows loading. Another reason why we now have to have a midweek forum.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 10:51 pm
Well. Who’s Doomlord’s pet then?

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 10:52 pm
Steve you ignorant slut.

You are altogether too concerned with forcing practicing Jesuits to pay for 30-year-old professional “co-eds’” sex lives in America yet completely happy about making your own wimminses pay out of pocket for theirs.

Why do you hate Australian women so, Steve? You ignorant slut.

sdog

6 Mar 12 at 10:53 pm
Stepford..

Everyone really dislikes you. You know that right?

JC

6 Mar 12 at 10:54 pm
Who’s Doomlord’s pet then?

eeek. I’m still digesting dinner.

Sinclair Davidson

6 Mar 12 at 10:56 pm
JC
I don’t dislike Steve he is a potential customer if I get a cab.

kelly liddle

6 Mar 12 at 10:57 pm
Yes, well, lotsa luck getting any money out of him, Kelly. But then you may succeed where the ATO has failed.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 10:58 pm
Opening the new forum early.

Sinclair Davidson

6 Mar 12 at 11:00 pm
Steve and USA Today versus:

Province of Anchorage:

■1. Archbishop Roger Schweitz, of Anchorage, AK
■2. Bishop Edward Burns, of Juneau, AK
■3. Bishop Donald Kettler of Fairbanks, AK

Province of Atlanta:

■4. Archbishop Wilton Gregory , of Atlanta, GA
■5. Bishop Robert Guglielmone, of Charleston, SC
■6. Bishop Peter Jugis, of Charlotte, NC
■7. Bishop Michael Burbidge, of Raleigh, NC
■8. Bishop Gregory Hartmayer, of Savannah, GA

Province of Baltimore:

■9. Cardinal-designate Edwin O’Brien, of Baltimore, MD
■10. Bishop Paul Loverde, of Arlington, VA
■11. Bishop Francis DiLorenzo, of Richmond VA
■12. Bishop Michael Bransfield, of Wheeling-Charleston, WV
■13. Bishop Francis Malooly, of Wilmington, DE

Province of Boston:

■14. Sean Cardinal O’Malley, of Boston, MA
■15. Bishop Salvatore Matano,of Burlington, VT
■16. Bishop George Coleman, of Fall River, MA
■17. Bishop Peter Libasci, of Manchester, NH
■18. Bishop Richard Malone, of Portland, ME
■19. Bishop Timothy McDonnell, of Springfield, MA
■20. Bishop Robert McManus, of Worcester, MA

Province of Chicago:

■21. Francis Cardinal George of Chicago, IL
■22. Bishop Edward Braxton, of Belleville, IL
■23. Bishop Daniel Conlon, of Joliet, IL
■24. Bishop Daniel Jenky, of Peoria, IL
■25. Bishop Thomas Doran, of Rockford, IL
■26. Bishop Thomas Paprocki, of Springfield, IL
Province of Cincinnati:
■27. Archbishop Dennis Schnurr, of Cincinnati, OH
■28. Bishop Richard Lennon, of Cleveland, OH
■29. Bishop Frederick Campbell, of Columbus, OH
■Monsignor Kurt Kemo (apostolic administrator), of Steubenville, OH
■30. Bishop Leonard Blair, of Toledo, OH
■31. Bishop George Murry, of Youngstown, OH

Province of Denver:

■32. Bishop James Conley, Apostolic Administrator of Denver, CO
■33. Bishop Paul Etienne, of Cheyenne, WY
■34. Bishop Michael Sheridan, of Colorado Springs, CO
■35. Bishop Fernando Isern, of Pueblo, CO
Province of Detroit:
■36. Archbishop Allen Vigneron, of Detroit, MI
■37. Bishop Bernard Hebda, of Gaylord, MI
■38. Bishop Walter Hurley, of Grand Rapids, MI
■39. Bishop Paul Bradley, of Kalamazoo, MI
■40. Bishop Earl Boyea, of Lansing, MI
■41. Bishop Alexander Sample, of Marquette, MI
■42. Bishop Joseph Cistone, of Saginaw, MI

Province of Dubuque:

■43. Archbishop Jerome Hanus, of Dubuque, IA
■44. Bishop Martin Amos, of Davenport, IA
■45. Bishop Richard Pates, of Des Moines, IA
■46. Bishop Walter Nickless, of Sioux City, IA

Province of Galveston-Houston:

■47. Daniel Cardinal DiNardo, of Galveston-Houston, TX
■48. Bishop Joe Vasquez, of Austin, TX
■49. Bishop Curtis Guillory, of Beaumont, TX
■50. Bishop Daniel Flores, of Brownsville, TX
■51. Bishop Michael Mulvey, of Corpus Christi, TX
■52. Bishop Alvaro Corrada (apostolic administrator) of Tyler TX
■53. Bishop David Fellhauer of Victoria, TX

Province of Hartford:

■54. Archbishop Henry Mansell, of Hartford, CT
■55. Bishop William Lori, of Bridgeport, CT
■56. Bishop Michael Cote, of Norwich, CT
■57. Bishop Thomas Tobin, of Providence, RI

Province of Indianapolis:

■58. Bishop Christopher Coyne, Apostolic Administrator of Indianapolis, IN
■59. Bishop Charles Thompson, of Evansville, IN
■60. Bishop Kevin Rhoades, of Fort Wayne-South Bend, IN
■61. Bishop Dale Melczek, of Gary, IN
■62. Bishop Timothy Doherty, of Lafayette, IN
Province of Kansas City:

■63. Archbishop Joseph Naumann, of Kansas City, KS
■Father Barry Brinkman (apostolic administrator) of Salina, KS
■64. Bishop Michael Jackels, of Wichita, KS

Province of Los Angeles:

■65. Archbishop Jose Gomez, of Los Angeles, CA
■Roger Cardinal Mahoney (emeritus), of Los Angeles, CA
■66. Bishop Armando Ochoa, of Fresno, CA (also apostolic administrator of El Paso)
■67. Bishop Tod Brown, of Orange, CA
■68. Bishop Gerald Barnes, of San Bernadino, CA
■69. Bishop Robert Brom, of San Diego, CA
■70. Bishop Richard Garcia of Monterey, CA

Province of Louisville:

■71. Archbishop Joseph Kurtz, of Louisville, KY
■72. Bishop Roger Foys, of Covington, KY
■73. Bishop Richard Stika, of Knoxville, TN
■74. Bishop Ronald Gainer, of Lexington, KY (better link needed)
■75. Bishop Terry Steib, of Memphis, TN
■76. Bishop David Choby, of Nashville, TN
■77. Bishop WIlliam Medley, of Owensboro, KY

Province of Miami:

■78. Archbishop Thomas Wenski, of Miami, FL (also apostolic administrator of Pensacola-Tallahassee)
■79. Bishop John Noonan, of Orlando, FL
■80. Bishop Gerald Barbarito, of Palm Beach, FL
■81. Bishop Felipe Estevez, of St Augustine, FL
■82. Bishop Robert Lynch, of St Petersburg, FL
■83. Bishop Frank Dewane, of Venice, FL

Province of Milwaukee:

■84. Archbishop Jerome Listecki, of Milwaukee, WI
■85. Bishop David Ricken, of Green Bay, WI
■86. Bishop William Callahan, of La Crosse, WI
■87. Bishop Robert Morlino, of Madison, WI
■88. Bishop Peter Christensen, of Superior, WI

Province of Mobile:

■89. Archbishop Thomas Rodi of Mobile, AL
■90. Bishop Robert Baker of Birmingham, AL
■91. Bishop Joseph Latino of Jackson, MS

Province of New Orleans:

■92. Archbishop Gregory Aymond, of New Orleans, LA
■93. Bishop Ronald Herzog, of Alexandria, LA
■94. Bishop Robert Muench, of Baton Rouge, LA
■95. Bishop Sam Jacobs, of Houma-Thibodaux, LA
■96. Bishop Michael Jarrell, of Lafayette, LA
■97. Bishop Glen Provost, of Lake Charles, LA
■98. Bishop Michael Duca, of Shreveport, LA

Province of New York:

■99. Cardinal-designate Timothy Dolan, of New York, NY
■Edward Cardinal Egan, of New York, NY (emeritus)
■100. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio, of Brooklyn, NY
■101. Bishop Edward Kmiec, of Buffalo, NY
■102. Bishop Terry LaValley, of Ogdensburg, NY
■103. Bishop Matthew Clark, of Rochester, NY
■104. Bishop William Murphy, of Rockville Centre, NY
■105. Bishop Robert Cunningham, of Syracuse, NY
■106. Bishop Howard Hubbard of Albany, NY

Province of Newark:

■107. Archbishop John Meyers, of Newark, NJ
■108. Bishop Joseph Galante, of Camden, NJ
■109. Bishop Arthur Serratelli, of Paterson, NJ
■110. Bishop David O’Connell, of Trenton, NJ
■111. Bishop Paul Bootkoski of Metuchen, NJ

Province of Oklahoma City:

■112. Archbishop Paul Coakley, of Oklahoma City, OK
■113. Bishop Anthony Taylor, of Little Rock, AR
■114. Bishop Edward Slattery, of Tulsa, OK

Province of Omaha:

■115. Archbishop George Lucas, of Omaha, NE
■116. Bishop William Dendinger, of Grand Island, NE
■117. Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz, of Lincoln, NE

Province of Philadelphia:

■118. Archbishop Charles Chaput, of Philadelphia, PA
■119. Bishop John Barres, of Allentown, PA
■120. Bishop Mark Bartchak, of Altoona-Johnstown, PA
■121. Bishop Lawrence Brandt, of Greensburg, PA
■122. Bishop Joseph McFadden, of Harrisburg, PA
■123. Bishop David Zubik, of Pittsburgh, PA (Twice!)
■124. Bishop Joseph Bambera, of Scranton, PA
■125. Bishop Donald Trautman of Eire, PA

Province of Portland:

■126. Archbishop John Vlazny, of Portland, OR
■127. Bishop William Skystad (apostolic administrator) of Baker, OR
■128. Bishop Michael Driscoll, of Boise, ID
■129. Bishop Michael Warfel, of Great Falls-Billings, MT
■130. Bishop George Thomas, of Helena, MT

Province of Saint Louis:

■131. Archbishop Robert Carlson, of Saint Louis, MO
■132. Bishop John Gaydos, of Jefferson City, MO
■133. Bishop Robert Finn, of Kansas City-Saint Joseph, MO
■134. Bishop James Johnston, of Springfield-Cape Girardeau, MO

Province of Saint Paul and Minneapolis:

■135. Archbishop John Nienstedt, of Saint Paul and Minneapolis, MN
■136. Bishop David Kagan, of Bismarck, ND
■137. Bishop Samuel Aquila, of Fargo, ND
■138. Bishop John LeVoir, of New Ulm, MN
■139. Bishop Robert Gruss, of Rapid City, SD
■140. Bishop Paul Swain, of Sioux Falls, SD
■141. Bishop John Quinn, of Winona, MN
■142. Bishop Paul Sirba of Duluth, MN
■143. Bishop Michael Hoeppner, of Crookston, MN

Province of San Antonio:

■144. Archbishop Gustavo Garcia-Siller, of San Antonio, TX
■145. Bishop Patrick Zurek, of Amarillo, TX
■146. Bishop Kevin Farrell, of Dallas, TX
■147. Bishop Kevin Vann, of Fort Worth, TX
■Bishop Armando Ochoa (apostolic administrator) of El Paso, TX
■148. Bishop James Tamayo, of Laredo, TX
■149. Bishop Placido Rodriguez, of Lubbock, TX
■150. Bishop Michael Pfeifer, of San Angelo, TX

Province of San Francisco:

■151. Archbishop George Niederauer of San Francisco, CA
■152. Bishop Joseph Pepe, of Las Vegas, NV
■153. Bishop Randolph Calvo, of Reno, NV
■154. Bishop Jaime Soto, of Sacramento, CA
■155. Bishop John Wester, of Salt Lake City, UT
■156. Bishop Patrick McGrath, of San Jose, CA
■157. Bishop Stephen Blaire, of Stockton, CA
■158. Bishop Larry Silva of Honolulu, HI

Province of Santa Fe:

■159. Archbishop Michael Sheehan, of Santa Fe, NM
■160. Bishop James Wall, of Gallup, NM (better link needed)
■161. Bishop Thomas Olmsted, of Phoenix, AZ
■162. Bishop Gerald Kicanas, Tuscon, AZ

Province of Seattle:

■Archbishop Peter Sartain, of Seattle, WA
■163. Bishop Joseph Tyson, of Yakima, WA

Province of Washington:

■164. Donald Cardinal Wuerl, of Washington, DC

Archeparchy of Philadelphia (Eastern Rite)

■165. Bishop Richard Seminack, Eparchy of Chicago, IL
Metropolita of Pittsburgh (Eastern Rite) + Sui Iuris:

■166. Archbishop-elect William Skurla, ArchEparchy of Pittsburgh (currently bishop of Passaic) (better link needed)
■167. Bishop Gerald Dino, Eparchy of Phoenix, AZ
■168. Bishop John Kudrick, Eparchy of Parma, OH

MILITARY SERVICES

■169. Archbishop Timothy Broglio, of Military Services, USA

SPECIAL MENTION: “The Assembly of Orthodox Bishops in North America just issued a formal statement of protest against the HHS mandate in which the Assembly, representing all 53 Orthodox bishops in North America, references their complete agreement with the statements of the USCCB.”

■ And Pope Benedict XVI

No you are lying.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 11:00 pm
Thank you, Sinclair.

Gab

6 Mar 12 at 11:01 pm
See it’s like this: many shoe manufacturers had already realised that most companies, and their employees, really like innersoles, and supplying them (seeing they are nearly free anyway) might even improve their bottom line by helping sell more of their shoes.

28 States had already recognised the benefits of innersoles and required them to be supplied anyway. This had proved to be quite popular, with only a small number of companies insisting that the very idea of innersoles offended them, and no employee of theirs should get them. The States had been soft to enforce the issue, even though they didn’t really see the point.

But the Obama government has got legislation that is trying to improve and make the foot healthcare system better nationwide. So its now willing to mandate all shoe manufacturers (some of which just don’t always make the best decisions anyway) to supply them to all companies. Amputees who don’t have feet are exempted – it would be kind of rubbing it in to supply innersoles to them for their prosthetic feet.

Those companies, even those run by amputees, which object to innersoles did not want them supplied; they certainly didn’t cause them to be supplied. But they are supplied and their employees are happier.

steve from brisbane

6 Mar 12 at 11:03 pm
So its now willing to mandate all shoe manufacturers (some of which just don’t always make the best decisions anyway) to supply them to all companies.

Every shoe manufacturer has to deliver innersoles to, fucking I don’t know, GE and Apple and fucking Goldman Sachs?

WHY THE FUCK ARE SHOE COMPANIES FORCED TO DELIVER INNERSOLES TO GOLDMAN SACHS

That is the most jacktastic defence of Obama I have ever heard.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 11:10 pm
Those companies, even those run by amputees, which object to innersoles did not want them supplied; they certainly didn’t cause them to be supplied. But they are supplied and their employees are happier.

So even if Lloyd Blankfein loses both his arms and both his legs when his chopper is landing on his yacht in the middle of the lake in Central Park, he still has to accept delivery of fucking government mandated innersoles? And he has to be happy about it?

He doesn’t have any fucking arms or legs!!! How is a set of innersoles going to cheer him up?

Fucking asinine.

Les Majesty

6 Mar 12 at 11:12 pm
Pleased? Your question is ridiculous.

No lace-up shoes, must wear velcro. The horror and deprivation knows no bounds.

Really, if that is or could be a preoccupation for you, then life is wasted on you.

And, of course, that opinion, that visceral emotional reaction, gives you the right to run my life as you see fit.

You and Steve are both utterly wedded to the idea that any freedom you’re not personally excited by is worthless. Anything you don’t like, and moreover, anyone you don’t like, can be oppressed.

The shallowness of your thinking, the psychopathic inability to feel empathy, and the glib-to-dishonesty hand-waving with which you dismiss any view not entirely your own… it’s disgusting. You’re truly repulsive people.

wreckage

6 Mar 12 at 11:13 pm

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