If it’s Wednesday in Australia it’s Super Tuesday in the US

The need to talk the talk is as necessary in politics as being able to walk the walk. It is these virtues that have kept Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum in the hunt for the Republican nomination and have held Mitt Romney back. Gingrich on his best days is unsurpassed in his ability to get a message out. Santorum, however, does not do it for me but there are many who find his message exactly what they wish to hear. Romney is merely a conservative with a record of genuine accomplishment a mile long but with a less than assured rhetorical touch.

This being Super Tuesday in the United States, it may be the final showdown and it looks as if Romney may just have made it through. He has confirmed wins in Massachusetts, Virginia and Vermont. Gingrich has won his home state of Georgia while Santorum has won in Oklahoma. All as expected.

But it is in Ohio that the difference will be told. According to the early returns it looks as if Romney will win there, the major prize of the night. According to the latest on Drudge, it is Romney 40.3% and Santorum 36.1%. I would suspect that the difference is less policy than a perception that Romney is more likely to win in a head to head with Obama. It is that kind of strategic thinking that may yet save the Republicans from an utter folly. But the night is yet young.

The real battle will only then begin when Obama in the company of almost the entire media of the US will take on the Republican candidate, with Fox and Rush Limbaugh as the media counterweight. Luckily they will also have common sense and good policy on their side as well so it starts as a pretty even contest.

But the media storm over Sandra Fluke, who was described in most ungentlemanly terms by Limbaugh after she expressed concern about the high cost of contraception, is a sign of what’s to come. The slightest step outside the permissible leftist parameters and the media roof caves in. It’s going to be an excruciating eight months to the election in November. But at least I am getting to the stage where I think Obama really could lose.

Ohio Update: Romney 39.2% / Santorum 37.5%
Tennessee Update: Santorum has apparently won so Virginia aside a win in the South still eludes Romney.
Ohio Update: Romney 38.6% / Santorum 37.5%
Ohio Update: Romney 37.9% / Santorum 37.8%
Ohio Update: Romney 37.8% / Santorum 37.8%
Ohio Update: Santorum 38.0% / Romney 37.2%
Ohio Update: Santorum 38.4% / Romney 36.6%
Ohio Update: Santorum 38.5% / Romney 36.5%
Ohio Update: Santorum 38.7% / Romney 36.1%
Ohio Update: Santorum 39.0% / Romney 35.7%
Ohio Update: Santorum 38.8% / Romney 35.9%
Ohio Update: Santorum 38.1% / Romney 36.5%
Ohio Update: Santorum 37.8% / Romney 37.1%
Ohio Update: Santorum 37.5% / Romney 37.2%
North Dakota Update: Santorum has won in North Dakota
Ohio Update: Santorum 37.6% / Romney 37.3%
Ohio Update: Romney 37.5% / Santorum 37.3%
Ohio Update: Romney 37.7% / Santorum 37.2%
Ohio Update: Romney 37.6% / Santorum 37.3%
Ohio Update: Romney 37.7% / Santorum 37.2%
Idaho Update: Romney has won in Idaho
Ohio Update: Romney appears on his way to winning more delegates. Based on results at this stage, Romney is in line to claim 34 delegates to Santorum’s 22.
Ohio Update: Romney 37.6% / Santorum 37.1%
Ohio Update: Romney 37.7% / Santorum 37.2%
Ohio Update: Romney 37.8% / Santorum 37.1%
Ohio Update: Romney 38.0% / Santorum 37.0%
Ohio Update: Romney official winner in Ohio.

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180 Responses to If it’s Wednesday in Australia it’s Super Tuesday in the US

  1. Alex Pundit

    But at least I am getting to the stage where I think Obama really could lose

    Why the change there, Steve?

  2. Max Scream

    Mentioning america and the left in the same breath is surely an absurdity.

    There’s a right wing elite and a far right elite, but not a single leftist in sight.

  3. Alex Pundit

    Ohio Update: Romney 37.9% / Santorum 37.8%

    Eek.

  4. JC

    This shit is going to end up at the convention.

  5. m0nty

    I feel like CNN should have a hologram of Jesus and a hologram of Joseph Smith, and they should fight.

  6. JC

    And Rev. Wright as the referee Monster?

  7. AndrewL

    Any theories on why Santorum doesn’t poll well with Catholics?

    Exit polls in Ohio show Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum tied among Protestant voters — but they have Mitt Romney leading, 43 to 30, among Catholic ones.

    This pattern isn’t new — it also manifested itself in Michigan — but Ohio has slightly more Catholic voters than Michigan does.

    I would have thought like Mormons and Mitt, they would be his heartland.

  8. Feral Abacus

    I’m truly amazed Santorum has gotten this far. That kiddy-faced, big government, bible thumper makes the community organiser look presidential. The antidote to Liberal Left statism is Religious Right statism?

  9. JC

    But at least I am getting to the stage where I think Obama really could lose.

    He is. Look forward. What are his policies for the next four years when he hasn’t signed a budget in the past 2. He can’t sell himself as the bi-partisan prez when he basically ignored his own commission on deficit reduction?

    Hopeycahnge isn’t going to cut it.

    Moreover he has a 43% approval rating and there a large number of undecideds that invariably break against the incumbent. He’s gone.

    I actually think even Santorum could beat him.

  10. JC

    Any theories on why Santorum doesn’t poll well with Catholics?

    Because da Catholics were never a monolithic group unlike what ex-protos suggest they are.

    It isn’t a cult.

  11. JamesK

    I’m guessin’ Feral Abacua who writes like a leftist thinks he’s demonstrating intelligence.

    But all he’s doing is demonstarting the self-same snide emotionalism as Kates who has a thing about
    Santorum in the same way Bill Maher has a thing about Sarah Palin.

  12. m0nty

    It’s lovely that Santorum is holding his speech in Stupidville, Ohio.

  13. Rococo Liberal

    I really wish that COnservatives would remember Wellington’s dictum: never apologise and never explain. Limbaugh’s cooments about the awful Fluke woman were totally justified.

    I believe that most Americans like Australians hate the MSM and its values. So COnservatives should ignore them too. In fact they should taunt the media as much as possible. In that way the extremism in the media will be emphasised and their effect blunted.

    Sinistra delenda est!

  14. Romney… brought to us by the same limp-dicked GOP establishment who gave us Bob Dole and John McCain.

    Sigh.

    His only hope of doing any better than they did in the general election is that the majority of people are disgusted enough with Obama that that motivates them to get off their butts and out to the polls.

    So. As in 2008, a “hold your nose and vote RINO” exercise. Whee.

  15. JC

    Santorum isn’t a libertarian type as we all know, but how are his big ticket policies considered big government.

    There is the potential to create distortions such as his objective of having zero tax on manufacturing while cutting the corporate tax rate to 17%. It would of course be much better to even it out to say 10%.

    He support’s Ryan’s plan to deal with entitlement spending.

    This isn’t about purity. This is about getting this affirmative action idiot out of the White House.

  16. m0nty

    Fox was saying that Romney will win Ohio but they have been in the tank for him for months. Santorum’s lead just jumped from 5000 to 9000 to 12000 in a matter of minutes.

  17. JamesK

    Santorum went after Romney hard on Laura Ingraham’s show today for his dishonesty about using RomneyCare as a model, saying, “we are going to give away the most important issue in this election.”

    He’s right of course.

    And Romney can’t attack Obama for the Wall st bailouts and consequently for the GM bailout either.

    Even worse it’s who Obummer is liclin’ his chops to play the class warfare card on.

  18. C.L.

    I feel like CNN should have a hologram of Jesus and a hologram of Joseph Smith, and they should fight.

    And the tech dudes should start work on a hologram of Mohammed for the election proper.

  19. Sandra Fluke, who was described in most ungentlemanly terms by Limbaugh after she expressed concern about the high cost of contraception

    She was not expressing concern about the “high cost of contraception” ($9 per month “expensive”? Really?) but about the fact that the Jesuits who run the school she voluntarily chose to attend, in the full knowledge that as a Catholic institution they would not pay for her contraception or abortion pills, won’t give it to her for “free”.

    You lose credibility as a self-styled GOP pundit when you mindlessly regurgitate debunked Democrat talking points, Kates.

  20. m0nty

    Santorum mentioned God! Drink!

  21. JC

    Monster, please stop being a moron. Even if Da Foxnews has been in da tank for Romney they are not going to simply lie about their poll readings on primary night. There’s nothing to be gained and more to gain in terms of cred if their prediction is sound.

    You are such an idiot. It’s unbelievable what a tribal idiot you are.

  22. m0nty

    15,000! I guess Fox is wrong.

  23. Alex Pundit

    Update: More than 26 percent reporting in Ohio now and Santorum leads by 13,000 votes. And yet … still no numbers from the cities. There’s going to be a big swing towards Romney once they come in. Only question is how big.

    Quote from Allahpundit at Hotair.

    Cleveland and Cincinatti are yet to report in.

  24. Feral Abacus

    I’m guessin’ Feral Abacua who writes like a leftist thinks he’s demonstrating intelligence.

    Leftist shmeftist. My views on the GOP’s religious right are no different to that of that other well known pinko, Barry Goldwater. I believe in liberty, full stop. They believe in nanny-statism just as virulently as Democrats, only they wrap a cross around their bullshit rather than “social justice” rhetoric.

    Pardon me for thinking the US should have a commander-in-chief that doesn’t babble on about Satan being at war with America. Y’know, someone who doesn’t sound like he’s running for President of Iran and might actually be taken seriously by friend and foe alike.

    Santorum is way out of his league. Anybody who wants a second Obama term would be rooting for that sweater vest-clad nutjob to be the Republican nominee.

  25. JamesK

    You lose credibility as a self-styled GOP pundit when you mindlessly regurgitate debunked Democrat talking points, Kates.

    With conservatives like Kates leftists don’t need leftists.

  26. Max Scream

    Only Bibi can stop a second Obama term.

  27. JamesK

    Leftist shmeftist. My views on the GOP’s religious right are no different to that of that other well known pinko, Barry Goldwater

    So a conservative catholic who has the cheek to be faithful to his religion and who was a 3 time congressman and 2 time senator from a blue state is the equivalent of Iran’s theocrats according to the twit Feral Abacus.

    Feral Abacus apparently delights in demonstrating himself to be a fool.

    More importantly Kates has milder if similar tendencies.

    I suspect anti-religious bigotry which has its natural home in leftism is at the root of it.

  28. JC

    Feral:

    They believe in nanny-statism just as virulently as Democrats, only they wrap a cross around their bullshit rather than “social justice” rhetoric.

    Show me which of Santorum’s economic policies where his more nanny state than Romney or the affirmative action kid.

    You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

    I don’t like Santorum for a host of reasons, but to pick on him that he’s a nanny stater is downright dishonest in a relative sense.

    only they wrap a cross around their bullshit rather than “social justice” rhetoric.

    So we’re now getting to the nub. It’s the Catholic thing right? That old chestnut is never very far with Australian ex-protos.

    Santorum is way out of his league. Anybody who wants a second Obama term would be rooting for that sweater vest-clad nutjob to be the Republican nominee.

    The polls are actually showing he’s there with a decent shot. He’s not out of the game.

    So it’s fine with you that the affirmative action dickhead spent 20 years listening to anti-whitey hate speech from Rev Wright. Santorum is the problem.

  29. Viva

    with a less than assured rhetorical touch.

    Well that’s one way of putting it.

    “This feels good being back in Michigan. You know, the trees are the right height, the streets are just right. I like the fact that most of the cars I see are Detroit-made automobiles. I drive a Mustang and a Chevy pickup truck. Ann drives a couple of Cadillacs.”

  30. Rococo Liberal

    sdog

    You are wrong. Fluke told the hearing that contraceptives would cost a college student $3,400 per year, it is the Right wing punditry that has pointed out that she lied and that the true cost is $9 per month.

  31. JamesK

    Good line from Romney:

    “You have not failed. You have a president who has failed you. And that’s going to change.”

    Except of course it’s just a populist lie.

    The people elected Obama in 2008 on promises that the planet would heal.

    They may have some weak pathetic excuses but they certainly won’t if they elect him a second time

  32. m0nty

    Mitt: “This president has run out of ideas, and in 2012 we’re going to get him out of the outhouse… I mean White House!”

  33. JC

    “You have not failed. You have a president who has failed you. And that’s going to change.”

    Wow! Great Line from Mitt. The thing about a great line is when it hits home like that, everyone that counts knows it’s true and there’s no return volley from the other side copping it.

  34. JamesK

    Santorum’s speech was the weakest I’ve seen from him.

    He seemed very very tired.

    54% of preceincts reporting

    Santorum 38%

    Romney 37%

    It’s a cliffhanger.

    Santorum absolutely needs this for some momentum.

    Tenn. was a very good win for Santorum which should by rights spell T-h-e E-n-d for Gingrich but won’t.

  35. m0nty

    Palin on Fox agreeing with Newt that Romney’s enjoying a 4:1 ad spend now, but that won’t be true of a campaign against Obama.

  36. JamesK

    Romney’s advantage is 12:1 ad spend in Ohio

  37. What he said, pretty much –>

    RT @VodkaPundit Game over, man — game over! This pains me more than almost anything I’ve ever written. (http://t.co/IZYBWZ6k) #GOP

  38. Feral Abacus

    Show me which of Santorum’s economic policies where his more nanny state than Romney or the affirmative action kid.

    Wasn’t talking about his economic stances. Everybody running for the GOP nomination has better economic positions than Barack O’Chavez.

    So we’re now getting to the nub. It’s the Catholic thing right? That old chestnut is never very far with Australian ex-protos.

    I’ve never given a stuff about Tony Abbott’s Catholicism, if that’s what you’re getting at. Indeed, I’ve often felt that leftists had gone too far in attacking his faith. But I defend him because he keeps his faith private and doesn’t spout completely mental stuff about Satan going to war with Australia.

    So it’s fine with you that the affirmative action dickhead spent 20 years listening to anti-whitey hate speech from Rev Wright. Santorum is the problem.

    Yeah, I’m a real Obamanut. Get a grip, I actually want Obama beaten. Santorum would get massacred.

  39. Viva

    Romney’s money has had to make up for his deficits.
    There’s no getting around that.

    Voting for him is going to be a matter of faith – that a successful businessman can fix the economy. But then you look in his eyes and see that vacuous expression …….

  40. JamesK

    I like but don’t understand Vodkapundit sdog.

    Why doesn’t he just call for Gingrich to go?

    Shit whay didn’t he do that 2 or 3 weeks ago?

    But Santorum?

    Particularly a Santorum without Gingrich playing spoiler?

  41. JamesK

    Santorum would get massacred.

    Except the match up polls of Santorum vs Obama and Romney vs Obama are evens and have been consistently over many many weeks

    You’re assertions aren’t thought thru Abacus.

    I have no other explanation for your inane absolutist belittling of a supposed fellow consrvative like Santorum other than anti-religious bigotry.

    You know it makes sense.

  42. JC

    Santorum would get massacred.

    You have a time machine? The polls suggest he’s there with a run.

    Depends who frames the election chatter. If it’s Santorum, although prefer Rmoney, but he’s able to lead the direction of the election theme he will win.

    But I defend him because he keeps his faith private and doesn’t spout completely mental stuff about Satan going to war with Australia.

    The US isn’t Australia. You shouldn’t be confusing things.

    First and foremost Santorum is a politician. If he thought the religious stuff wouldn’t sell he’d be saying jack shit about it.

  43. m0nty

    Santorum’s lead back out to 15000+ with 68% reporting!

  44. JC

    You don’t know what precincts have reported Monster. STFU and wait for the final result. Stop pestering people.

  45. Of the three candidates, JamesK, Stephen preferred Newt; and I in the end preferred Santorum. But, at this point in the game, I agree with his sentiment that we need the bloodshed to stop, because the only one it’s benefiting is Obama. Maybe I’m just burned out – this primary campaign feels like it’s gone on forever, and all it seems it’s doing is feeding the Dems lots of good ammunition to use against whoever eventually gets the nod.

    #TeamMeh

  46. m0nty

    It’s pretty hard to make up a 2% deficit with only 30% left. That means Romney needs about a 7% lead in remaining precincts.

  47. Feral Abacus

    Except the match up polls of Santorum vs Obama and Romney vs Obama are evens and have been consistently over many many weeks

    Can’t picture that lasting all the way through a lengthy election campaign. I’ve yet to see Santorum come off as remotely presidential. He’s a boy in what should be a man’s contest. Knocking off a first term incumbent isn’t easy, you need a Reaganesque level of intellect and gravitas. Santorum is no Reagan.

    I have no other explanation for your inane absolutist belittling of a supposed fellow consrvative like Santorum other than anti-religious bigotry.

    I don’t care where or how or who politicans worship, as long as they stay out of everyone else’s bedrooms. Santorum has openly said that he believes the government does have a role in social/cultural issues of that nature and that he will continue to “fight very strongly against libertarian influence within the Republican party and the conservative movement.”

    I ain’t gonna like the guy just because he’s got an “R” next to his name. I firmly believe the GOP can do better and they’ll have to if they want to topple Obama and save the US from his vandalism.

  48. JamesK

    because the only one it’s benefiting is Obama.

    Not really.

    If the drover’s dog doesn’t beat Obummer in Novemeber, it was never going to be saved anyway.

    It has to be a bottom up society once again.

    That’s the choice.

    In a way it’s good that all the GOP candidates are flawed.

    But Santorum will love grassroots pressure/support and be inclusive.

    Romney will resist the Tea Party.

    You know it’s true.

  49. Just FYI, the Wall Street Journal’s live Super Tuesday coverage is pretty good:
    http://stream.wsj.com/story/super-tuesday/SS-2-2294/?mod=e2tw

  50. m0nty

    Santorum’s lead down to 7000 with 79% reporting.

  51. Knocking off a first term incumbent isn’t easy, you need a Reaganesque level of intellect and gravitas.

    Pardon?

    You do realize that none of the self-styled “elite” thought that Reagan could win either, yeah?

  52. JC

    Feral:

    Santorum can say what he likes about interfering in da bedroom, but it will go absolutely nowhere with the US Supreme Court.

    Listen, you can’t count him out as he came from nowhere and actually taking on the front runner in an important state like Ohio.

    I’ll keep repeating to you. The US is not Australia and it’s not necessary to hide your religious affiliations there.

    Out of the two, I’d vote Santorum over Odumbo even if I were 6 feet under. However I would vote for Romney First.

  53. JamesK

    Another surprise.

    North Dakota is being called for Santorum.

  54. m0nty

    Looking at the precinct breakdown on CNN, the leads in urban ones are as much as 16% to Romney. That kinda breaks up the normal analysis.

    Still, props to Santorum for getting that close.

  55. Feral, James Taranto pretty much demolishes the meme you’re trying to sell, the ludicrous contention that “extremist” Rick Santorum is “unelectable”. The last major Republican candidate to receive that kind of label was the “too old”, “too crazy”, “too stupid”, “too conservative” was… your purported hero Ronald Reagan.

    Your analysis of Santorum – the things you find most shudderingly distateful about him – screams Oikophobia.

  56. Feral Abacus

    You do realize that none of the self-styled “elite” thought that Reagan could win either, yeah?

    I am aware. That still doesn’t put Santorum within Reagan’s league politically by a long shot. You have to do better than merely be disliked by lefty elitists to get there.

  57. Infidel Tiger

    Santorum is no freaking Reagan.

  58. JC

    That still doesn’t put Santorum within Reagan’s league politically by a long shot.

    It’s a different era and the blue collar Reagan dems are worried about their jobs if they have one and don’t abide the current moron in the White House.

    Santorum is suggesting new manufacturing businesses can operate in a zero tax environment and that he would adopt the Ryan plan.

    He’s appealing to the social conservatives and the Reagan dems but in a different era.

    If he’s the candidate, much will depend on who can frame the theme of the election and you can’t count this guy out as a loser.

  59. JamesK

    Nate Silver NYT:

    “Newt Gingrich notched a big win in his home state of Georgia tonight which was called almost as soon as polls closed. But there is little sign of success for him elsewhere.

    In fact, outside of Georgia, Mr. Gingrich is running in third place or worse in all states that have reported results so far. He is behind Mitt Romney in Oklahoma and Tennessee, and has only about 15 percent of the vote in Ohio — not enough to receive proportional delegates there, which would require a 20 percent margin. Nor has he shown any sign of life in the caucus states.”

    If Romney wins the nomination in the end it will be because of Gingrich and Paul.

    He owes them big.

  60. I was taking issue with this statement, IT:

    “Knocking off a first term incumbent isn’t easy, you need a Reaganesque level of intellect and gravitas.”

    Reagan didn’t have [or wasn't seen as having] “a Reaganesque level of intellect and gravitas” as a candidate.

  61. Cory Olsen

    On ABC News this morning they showed footage of Obama wishing Romney luck.,,

    I guess that he’s obama’s preferred republican candidate to face off againt.

  62. JC

    Santorum is no freaking Reagan.

    He’s not. It’s a different era.

    As far as i understand it his candidacy, he’s selling social conservatism with a pro-business agenda. Whether that sells in a general election time will tell, but as I said, you can’t count him out as he came from nowhere.

  63. I do think it’s too late for Santorum at this point, though. I’m pretty much resigned to having to hold my nose & vote for Bob Dole 2.0 in November.

  64. Infidel Tiger

    The only good news out of this race is that exit polls are showing Republican voters (not the Democrat ppants all voting Santorum) will all get behind whoever is the evential nominee.

  65. m0nty

    Romney now ahead. Oh well, it was nice while it lasted. gg Fox.

  66. JamesK

    not the Democrat ppants all voting Santorum

    You don’t think there’ll be registered Dems voting for Santorum in November?

    There will and they’ll vote for Santorum but not for Romney.

    Single woemen will vote for Obama 9:1 like they did last time.

    Romney will won’t win them over.

  67. Infidel Tiger

    Single woemen will vote for Obama 9:1 like they did last time.

    Romney will won’t win them over.

    I’ll bet one testicle and a lifetime’s supply of prophylactics that Santorum won’t be winning over single women from Obama.

  68. JC

    Look the three most destructive pieces of legislation in the US is Sarbanes Oxley, Odumbocare and Dodd Frank. Santorum like Romney have both promised to scrap these destructive polices.

    People shouldn’t sight of that.

  69. AndrewL

    Single woemen will vote for Obama 9:1 like they did last time.

    The sluts!

  70. JC

    I’ll bet one testicle and a lifetime’s supply of prophylactics that Santorum won’t be winning over single women from Obama.

    They’re rusted on Dem supporters. The GOP shouldn’t give a shit about them other than cheap lip-service. They are basically a drain on the nation’s finances.

    Fuck’em.

  71. JamesK

    ’ll bet one testicle and a lifetime’s supply of prophylactics that Santorum won’t be winning over single women from Obama.

    Wanna bet the other one that Romney will?

  72. Feral Abacus

    Reagan didn’t have [or wasn't seen as having] “a Reaganesque level of intellect and gravitas” as a candidate.

    The lefty elites, to whom you alluded to earlier, perhaps didn’t think so, but I’m not one of them and don’t see the world through their lenses. And yet I can still see that Santorum is a neophyte next to the Gipper.

  73. JamesK

    And yet I can still see that Santorum is a neophyte next to the Gipper.

    Big call there Feral.

  74. Infidel Tiger

    Wanna bet the other one that Romney will?

    It’s a moot point. Santorum and Romney could promise a box set of Sex and the City and free vibrators and they won’t be winning that demographic.

  75. JamesK

    Without Gingrich Santorum would have romped Ohio home.

  76. JamesK

    Santorum and Romney could promise a box set of Sex and the City and free vibrators and they won’t be winning that demographic

    Actually the single woman vote is one of the main arguments advanced for Romney.

    I agree with you, IT.

  77. JC

    And yet I can still see that Santorum is a neophyte next to the Gipper.

    Different ear. The Gipper was able to sell free markets and lower taxes because the US was ready to try that and it damned well worked and how.

    However we’ve grown so used to the good things and the well has been poisoned so badly in the West by the despicable left that the only way around this is through a certain amount of subterfuge and cunning. You need to appeal to the Reagan Dems in a way that is appealing to their self interest. Lowering taxes to zero in manufacturing, although distortive, is appealing to these voters as they think it could rejuvenate that sector and create jobs.

  78. Infidel Tiger

    And yet I can still see that Santorum is a neophyte next to the Gipper.

    Big call there Feral.

    Are you seriously comparing the two?

  79. Feral Abacus

    Big call there Feral.

    I wouldn’t need to play Captain Obvious if sdog wasn’t making the nonesense argument that Santorum is like Reagan just because liberals don’t like them.

    (oh, and you’re an oikophobe if you don’t like some of Santorum’s stances… FFS)

  80. but I’m not one of them

    You sure sound like a typical liberal oikophobe to me. The things you find so terribly revolting about Santorum – his strong faith, his social conservatism, his “ordinariness,” his (OMG) sweater vests … those aren’t the kind of things that bother normal Americans.

  81. JamesK

    those aren’t the kind of things that bother normal Americans.

    Those aren’t the kinda thing that bother conservatives or libertarians either.

    They typically bother leftist elites.

  82. JamesK

    John Fund The Corner
    Good Precis:

    “Mitt Romney will exit the ten Super Tuesday contests with more delegates than anyone else, but his political reputation damaged.

    Given his crushing financial advantage, Romney should have done better tonight.

    He lost Oklahoma to Rick Santorum, despite the endorsement of the state’s most popular politician — populist U.S. senator Tom Coburn.

    He won Virginia, where his only opponent was Ron Paul, by only 59 percent to 41 percent. He lost significant cities ranging from upper-crust Charlottesville to working-class Lynchburg.

    Late-reporting urban areas may still give Romney a win in Ohio, but it is striking that he is struggling so much in a state where he carpet-bombed Rick Santorum the way he did. And in Ohio — unlike Michigan — there was no semi-organized effort among Democrats to embarrass him by casting votes for Santorum. Romney won among those voters who saw electability in November as their prime concern; his problem was that many voters had other priorities. Evangelicals continued to resist him, as did many blue-collar workers and the most conservative of voters.

    Mitt Romney remains the favorite for the GOP nomination, but if his campaign doesn’t realize that tonight’s results are real danger signals for their man — with regard to both later primaries and the November election — they are fooling themselves.”

    Ooh yah! Mittens is so much more electable.

  83. if sdog wasn’t making the nonesense argument that Santorum is like Reagan just because liberals don’t like them.

    I wasn’t. Please don’t misrepresent me.

    For the third time, this is was I was taking issue with:

    “Knocking off a first term incumbent isn’t easy, you need a Reaganesque level of intellect and gravitas.”

    Reagan didn’t have [or wasn't seen as having] “a Reaganesque level of intellect and gravitas” as a candidate.

    I wasn’t claiming that Santorum was Reagan reincarnated.

    And you’re a typical liberal oikophobe because you’re disdainful, both culturally and ideologically, of ordinary Middle Americans. You are almost viscerally repulsed by things that those of us who don’t live in California or the North East actually have no problem with.

  84. Alex Pundit

    Well that’s it. Well done Mittens. You’ve got Ohio and with that, it’s time for Rick and Newt to drop out.

  85. RT @GayPatriot: “Alright, that’s enough of this. Mitt can barely beat Santorum but he’ll kick Obama’s ass or something.”

    Dole 2.0.

  86. JC

    “Mitt Romney will exit the ten Super Tuesday contests with more delegates than anyone else, but his political reputation damaged.

    Frankly I’m not buying that either. The GOP will then coalesce around the nominee and support him. With the right kind of VP Romney can surpass this.

    In any event Odumbo has nothing to say about it because the only way that fucker won the nomination was because Florida and Michigan were banned from counting their delegates as a result of internal Demolition party bickering. Those two states would have put Hillary over the line.

    As someone said one time …Affirmative action all the fucking way…..with that douchebag.

    That’s all Romney has to say to counter any of that crap coming from him.

  87. JamesK

    One piece of good news.

    Fvckwit leftist Dennis Kucinich lost his primary f0r his re-districted seat

    “Rep. Marcy Kaptur is on track to defeat fellow Ohio Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich in a redistricting-forced primary tonight, capping the Congressional career of Cleveland’s onetime “Boy Mayor” and the House’s resident peace advocate.

    Kaptur, the dean of the Ohio delegation, led the two-time presidential candidate, 58 percent to 38 percent, with 78 percent of precincts reporting, according to the Ohio Secretary of State. The race had not been officially called as of 11:30 p.m., but Kaptur’s 20-point lead is virtually insurmountable.”

  88. The American Prospect writes:

    According to the latest survey by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal, 40 percent of adults say that “the GOP nominating process has given them a less favorable impression of the Republican Party,” compared with the 10 percent who have come away from the event satisfied. What’s more, when asked to describe the GOP primaries in a word or phrase, 70 percent (including 60 percent of independents and half of Republicans) reach for something negative:

    “Unenthusiastic,” “discouraged,” “lesser of two evils,” “painful,” “disappointed,” “poor choices,” “concerned,” “underwhelmed,” “uninspiring” and “depressed.”

    It’s lacked gravitas ever since Cain dropped out.

  89. JC

    And you think, this suggests it helps the incumbent, Stepford? You really are a first order goose.

    The polls are basically saying Americans are totally pissed with the political process. If you think this mindset helps the incumbent, you’re a bigger idiot than I think you are.

  90. Feral Abacus

    Dear, oh dear, sdog.

    I’m well aware that Leftists didn’t think Reagan had intellect and gravitas, while I think he did and that’s why, in my view at least, he was well placed to beat Carter. Santorum has yet to convince me that he could do the same to the incumbent.

    I’d also make the fairly obvious point that I’m Australian so even if I did dislike Middle America or the US generally (which I certainly don’t) it wouldn’t make me an oikophobe. And as a supporter of Tony Abbott I can hardly be accused of being an elitist lefty politically.

  91. JamesK

    Dear o dear Feral.

    It’s entertaining watching you backpedal whilst trying to save face.

  92. Feral Abacus

    Nah, I’ve been pretty consistent.

    It’d be backpedalling if I’d once said “I love Santorum and hate America” but I don’t think those words have ever escaped by lips or keyboard.

  93. JC

    I think we’re being on Feral, as he’s always been a consistent rightie. feral needs to realize that Amwrica is different.

    I’d rather have Santorum as leader than these two creatures for instance.

  94. JamesK

    Nah, I’ve been pretty consistent.

    A quick scan back at your comments makes a lie of that assertion Feral.

  95. JamesK

    Nate Silver NYT:

    “All of the vote has been counted in Virginia, and just 265,527 Republicans turned out to vote there in a contest where only Mitt Romney and Ron Paul were on the ballot.

    Turnout was about double that, 489,252 Republicans, in the contest there in 2008. And that year was only semi-competitive, since Virginia held its primary after Super Tuesday when candidates like Mitt Romney had already dropped out.”

    The Virginia non-race alone an indictment of the GOP.

  96. JamesK

    The Tea Party are prising out GOP moderate incumbents in the Primaries still

    “Representative Jean Schmidt has lost to Tea-Party-backed candidate Ben Wenstrup in the Republican primary to represent Ohio’s 2nd Congressional District. Mr. Wenstrup becomes the favorite to win the seat; Republican Senator John McCain won 54 percent of the district’s vote in 2008.”

  97. Infidel Tiger

    So Santorum best represents middle America yet he can’t even beat elitist North Eastern millionaire Mormon in Ohio? Wow, he must really suck.

  98. JamesK

    Impressive analysis IT.

    You should try doing this professionally.

  99. Infidel Tiger

    You should try doing this professionally.

    You’d be surprised how many times a week I hear that phrase.

  100. Infidel Tiger

    This analysis suggests that unless the GOP go full retard they are still in with a very good chance:

    http://patterico.com/2012/03/04/no-the-gop-is-not-doomed-in-2012/

  101. Fisky

    Romney has won the majority of Super Tuesday delegates, increasing his lead in the race. He has more than twice as many delegates as Santorum. Gingrich and Santorum are cancelling each other out in the Southern states, and neither of them has a remote chance of winning. Romney haters need to understand that he will be the nominee and they should stop spewing hate at him at once.

  102. dover_beach

    Yes, Fisky, I think that is quite reasonable in the circumstances.

  103. JamesK

    Yes, Fisky, I think that is quite reasonable in the circumstances.

    Only perhaps.

    There are no Romney haters.

    I challenge Fisky to provide evidence of that.

    The nastiness in this GOP Primary race has overwhelmingly emanated fron the Romney campaign.

    In 2008 and now all his competitors (except Paul who is his ally) have complained bitterly about his attack ads.

  104. Steve Kates

    Gingrich and Santorum may not like being at the other end of what they describe as a series of effective attack ads, but why should anyone who would like to see a Republican win hold that against Romney if he can really pull them off? This is going to be a very mean election, all the more so if Romney looks like he is in with a chance. If anything, his problem so far is that he doesn’t look mean enough. But maybe, after all, he really is meaner than he so far seems to be.

  105. Fisky

    JamesK is an avowed Romney hater. He is now fabricating stories about Romney being nasty. Santorum is going to lose and JamesK still holds out hope that by some mathematical miracle he might be in with a chance. No, he can’t possibly win. Only Romney can. Romney haters are just getting in the way.

  106. Fisky

    Once Romney gets those California and New York delegates in the bag, it’ll be nigh-night for Santorum.

    I don’t hate Santorum, but he is wildly popular among Democrat primary voters, much more so than Romney.

    So the haters should stop hating and just get behind Romney now, rather than trying to delay the inevitable.

  107. Infidel Tiger

    It’s usually about now that JamesK will label you a leftist, Fisky.

  108. JamesK

    Yeah but when you say this to Larry Kudlow in an interview the irony sticks on conservative’ craws:

    Gov. ROMNEY: Well, my message is I’m not going to say outrageous things about the president or about my opponents. It gets headlines and a lot of excitement, and it gets you, by the way, a number of days in the polls to get a nice little bump.

    He’s apparently happy to play nasty with his friends and make like friends with his real enemy.

    Sound familiar?

    i think it’s over Santorum needed two things. Firstly for Gingrich to drop out preferably before todat and for him to win Ohio for some momemnntum.

    He has/will get neither.

    If Gingrich refuses to get out within the week, I reckion Santorum might.

  109. Fisky

    Romney wins 7 states out of 11, a smashing victory. He has smote his opponents and is now the unbackable favourite.

  110. JamesK

    Don’t worry IT.

    Ur not a leftist but u ar pretty damn stupid.

    And Fisky I’m not and never have been a Romney hater.

    Ur stupid too apparently.

  111. Fisky

    No, that’s a lie. You are totally consumed by your hatred for him, JamesK.

    Stop hating the nominee. You are only helping Obama at this point in time.

  112. JamesK

    No, that’s a lie. You are totally consumed by your hatred for him, JamesK.

    Stop hating the nominee. You are only helping Obama at this point in time.

    Didn’t you even have an inkling as you typed that drivel just how ridiculous it was Fisky?

  113. JC

    ladies please, not hair pulling in the powder room.

    In any event I’m the only one who has a defacto vote here, as my kid promised she would pull the lever on who I support.

  114. Fisky

    See, everyone? JamesK is still denying that he is a Romney hater and an Obama plant.

    Don’t trust anything he says. He’s a stooge for the other side.

  115. JamesK

    See, everyone? JamesK is still denying that he is a Romney hater and an Obama plant.

    Don’t trust anything he says. He’s a stooge for the other side

    Quick Sinc! No timew to lose! Call the CAT team and tell ‘em to bring the restraints!

  116. JC

    There is a GOP primary in NY. Of course there is.

  117. JamesK

    Her vote won’t make adifference. It’ll be Romney.

    There is a very small chance her vote will make a diffference in the general.

  118. Infidel Tiger

    You have anger issues JamesK. Have you tried wearing looser under garments?

  119. Fisky

    JamesK is now denying that there is a GOP primary in NY? Oh dearie me. Yes, there is a GOP primary in New York, scheduled for late April. That will basically be Romney’s coronation ceremony.

  120. JC

    Her vote won’t make adifference. It’ll be Romney.

    There is a very small chance her vote will make a difference in the general

    I keep saying Romney can win NY. It could be a big upset. All you need is for the NYC’ers to stay out of the race as Odumbo doesn’t have the Jewish vote and the state could go Republican. That’s my big upset for the elections.

    I actually think Santorum could win NY too. The key is NYC’ers staying out of it.

  121. JamesK

    Awww tigger feels slighted

    And remarkably Fisky continues the downward spiral.

    Whoda thunk he coulda continued sinking into even deeper irrationality?

  122. I was going to suggest he start using nice innersoles, IT.

  123. JC

    James

    How the hell do you get into an argument with Fisk? He wants to ban the left let alone let them vote.

  124. JC

    Buzz off steve. This stuff doesn’t concern you.

    Go do dinner.

  125. JamesK

    If the whitewash is on – and i still believe it could be – NY is at least possible. The Dems and Obummer have upset the jewish community and Obummer must be worried cos he’s suddenly making nice normal us president sounds to Israel:

  126. Les Majesty

    As a hardcore radical leftist, I am glad that Gov Romney of Taxachusetts is now one step closer to GOP coronation.

    Can’t wait for two Harvard Law leftists to face off in November.

    It’s a win-win for progressives!

  127. Fisky

    There are about 700 delegates between now (i.e. after Super Tuesday) and the end of April. At least 400 of those will go to Romney, pushing him up to 750+ in total. When the other candidates realise that he’ll only need to win 1/2 of the remaining delegates thereafter, continued resistance will be futile.

    And now that even JamesK has recognised that Romney is the nominee, I hope he will lower his voice and stop the smear tactics, which only work in Obama’s favour.

  128. Fisky

    It’s a win-win for progressives!

    Yes, those Democrats can’t wait to face off against Romney. That’s why they are all voting for Santorum.

  129. JamesK

    See, everyone? JamesK is still denying that he is a Romney hater and an Obama plant.

    Well stupidity like that JC.

    I prefer Santorum and you preferred Romney but we both have not denigrated either men and would happily vote for either in november

    Fisky, IT, Kates etc on the other hand….

  130. JamesK

    Yes, those Democrats can’t wait to face off against Romney. That’s why they are all voting for Santorum.

    You have actually heard the term “Reagan Democrats’ I take it Fisky?

    What did you imagine it to mean?

    Will they or their children vote for Romney?

    Just a yes or no will do.

  131. Fisky

    No, they are not Reagan Democrats. There are no Reagan Democrats anymore. They have all crossed over. Now, there are some Democrats who would like to vote for Santorum in an open primary. But they won’t vote for him in the election. They are just running interference.

  132. JamesK

    Does that sound as piss weak to you as it does to everyone else Fisky?

  133. Fisky

    No, it’s all true. You are the only one lying here, JamesK.

  134. JamesK

    Mitt Romney is the frontrunner.

    Rick Santorum is the outside longshot.

    Dem progressives think it would be a ‘super’ idea to have the frontrunner lose his home state the state where his father was Governor.

    Why does Fisky choose to interpret that as Obama preferring to face Santorum in November?

    For my money Obama would prefer to face Mittens than Santorum anyday.

    If I was him, I would.

  135. JamesK

    Show me where I have lied Fisky.

  136. Infidel Tiger

    JamesK, your love for Santorum is still illegal in many southern states. Easy up.

  137. JamesK

    Ouch IT!

    You’re on fire ‘bro.

    You really should do this professionally.

  138. Infidel Tiger

    You really should do this professionally.

    So your sister says.

  139. JamesK

    No response from Fisky and rather OTT from IT.

  140. Fisky

    So we are all agreed that Romney is the logical choice for thinking Christian voters? I thought so.

  141. Fisky

    Bolt says:

    A very messy result, that raises the odds of a brokered convention, with the winner being “none of the above”

    Romney won the overwhelming majority of delegates on ST, and his lead is always increasing.

  142. JC

    Is Michigan winner take all?

  143. Fisky

    No, it was split evenly between Romney and Santorum. But Romney won the plurality of votes.

  144. JamesK

    Actually its 21:19 to Romney.

    The Romney controlled GOP committee in that state retrospectively changed rules after the election.

    Romney does fight dirty.

    I doubt that will be successful against Obummer.

  145. New York Times editorial, talking about Romney & Santorum:

    Neither politician is offering hard-hit American workers anything beyond long discredited trickle-down economics, more tax cuts for the rich, a weakening of the social safety net and more of the deregulation that nearly crashed the system in 2008.

    I thought Les would like to read that.

  146. Kelly of Kenmore

    Obama is a shoe-in because so many Rep voters are going to throw a mass abstentionist tanty if their mad dog man isn’t the candidate. Way to go, losers.

  147. Mitch

    I think it’s safe to say if Gingrich had dropped out before Super Tuesday Santorum would be winning by now, though I don’t think he could beat Obama with his preoccupation with social issues the majority of Americans disagree with him on.

    Romney will probably win the party nomination but will never be able to rally a sizeable portion of the base behind him.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ7HPt0zN00&feature=related

    Ron Paul I actually agree with on a lot, his foreign policy would probably backfire on Australia but it’s philosophically and fiscally pretty sound. He gets the big crowds, is bringing the youth vote in and has a sizeable base (though not representative of the general Republican party) behind him, but he’s long winded and maybe not racist or xenophobic enough for the Republican party.

    I think the most likely outcome in Obama wins this year but Ron Paul’s base splits the republican establishment. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/ron-paul-iowa-chairman-to-head-iowa-republican-party/

  148. JamesK

    racist or xenophobic enough for the Republican party

    That statement alone along with pretty well every other sentence demonstrates that Mitch is nasty, bigoted and uninformed.

    One of the principle serious complaints against Paul is of bigotry and anti-semitism in his newsletters that bore his name and that he has since renounced cliaming he did not realise what was written in them.

    The irony here is that it is Mitch who is the ignorant nasty bigot.

    How about that?

  149. C.L.

    New York Times editorial…

    LOL.

  150. Infidel Tiger

    Obama is a shoe-in because so many Rep voters are going to throw a mass abstentionist tanty if their mad dog man isn’t the candidate.

    Exit polls showed that 90%+ of Republican primary voters would vote for whoever the nomineee was. Tell your story walking slaphead.

  151. Infidel Tiger

    beyond long discredited trickle-down economics

    Do they mean the failed stimulus?

  152. C.L.

    I think it’s likely Obama will win. Iran is a definite ace he has in his pocket as well. Democrats love a wag the dog war.

    When it’s all over, analysts will be flabbergasted the Republicans deliberately marginalised the most successful people power movement of the past 50 years and nominated a non-Christian RINO socialist who’s on video trashing Ronald Reagan and who regards NASCAR Americans as Nazis in baseball caps.

    ‘We didn’t get the turn-out we expected,’ GOP establishmentarians will lament, perplexedly.

    This is Jack McCain: The Sequel.

  153. Infidel Tiger

    nominated a non-Christian RINO socialist who’s on video trashing Ronald Reagan and who regards NASCAR Americans as Nazis in baseball caps.

    You might want to dial it back to 11.

  154. The NY Editorial board can campaign all they like for the candidate they love who continues to shovel largess to the liberal rent seekers.

    It will all be moot if Obama’s carefully thought out policy to block oil exploration and combined with increase in global demand in the northern summer, will get the petrol price in the US to $5 per gallon.

    If that is the case, Obama is toast.

  155. JamesK

    Interesting data from the CNN exit polling:

    1.) Santorum won a plurality of Democrats by 20 percentage points and a plurality of independents by 6 percentage points. Romney won a plurality of Republicans by 4 percentage points.

    2.) Romney won a plurality of Catholics over Santorum by 12 percentage points, while Santorum won a plurality of Protestants over Romney by just 1 percentage point.

    3.) Santorum won a plurality of Ohioans who said they support the tea party. Romney won a plurality of those who said they were either neutral or opposed to it.

    4.) Ron Paul fared better among “moderate or liberal” voters than among either “somewhat conservative” or “very conservative” voters. He also did better among those who oppose the tea party than he did among those who said they either “support” the tea party or are “neutral” to it.

    5.) Santorum won a plurality of “very conservative” voters by 9 percentage points over Romney, while Romney won pluralities of “somewhat conservative” and “moderate or liberal” voters.

    6.) Romney won a plurality of those who had college degrees, while Santorum won a plurality of those who had no college degree.

    7.) Santorum won a plurality of married women by 7 percentage points, but Romney beat Santorum among unmarried women by 16 percentage points.

    8.) Romney won a large plurality of Ohioans earning more than $100,000 per year, while Santorum won a plurality of those making less.

    9.) Santorum won a plurality — 35 percent — of young people aged 17-29. Ron Paul came in second place in that demographic with 28 percent.

    10.) Mitt Romney won a large plurality of voters who are 65 and older, besting Rick Santorum in that demographic by 15 percentage points.

  156. C.L.

    Oh, I see.

    We’re all pretending Romney’s great now.

    Sorry. He’s not.

    He will almost certainly lose.

    He’s been flat-strap against Rick Santorum, ffs.

    The Obama machine will crush him like a bug.

  157. C.L.

    …a non-Christian RINO socialist who’s on video trashing Ronald Reagan and who regards NASCAR Americans as Nazis in baseball caps.

    True in every particular, by the way.

  158. Kelly of Kenmore

    C.L. is correct. And he is a bug.

  159. Infidel Tiger

    True in every particular, by the way.

    Except for the socialist bit and the NASCAR descriptive.

  160. JamesK

    Don’t despair CL.

    I think Obama is toast.

    Romney will win but I would have preferred Santorum as he’s a more hardenened political performer.

    Romney doesn’t do well in MSM interviews and does practically none of them.

    He’s not doing himself any favours in terms of prep for the main game.

    TV ads wouldn’t win him the Presidency even if he had a financial advantage which he most decidedly will not.

    I haven’t seen an analysis of a pathway forward for Santorum if Gingrich drops out but there is none for Gingrich ebven if Santorum drops out.

    So Mittens it almost inevitably will be.

    Uninspiring but not frightening either.

    Expect to see the Left go nuclear on his religion in the last 2 weeks of the campaign in October.

  161. C.L.

    I don’t despair, James. It’s a mortal sin.

    IT, sure Romney’s a socialist. He pioneered ObamaCare. They even used the same people.

    Re NASCAR, I was referring to Mitt’s recent confession that he didn’t follow the sport but knew a few millionaires who owned teams.

    Brilliant down-home rhetoric. My God, what an idiot.

    ———————————

    Palin says she voted for Gingrich in Alaska. Her explanation again demonstrates that she has her finger on the pulse more than any other Republican:

    I considered who can best bust through the Orwellian Obama rhetoric that we heard more of today in Obama’s press conference, talking about another insolvent and unconstitutional bailout that has no funds to finance; another program that he wants to kind of force down our throat. Who can best bust these ideas of America never taking steps towards energy independence and we have the natural resources here and can do it? And who can best bust through that radical left dispensation and desire to mistreat those who are defenseless, mistreat those who perhaps have some disadvantages by making them more beholden to government? Who best can contrast themselves from that?

    I thought who best could do that. My own personal opinion is: the cheerful one, Newt Gingrich.

    It’s true that Gingrich fights. Romney said yesterday that he doesn’t want to insult the president.

  162. I think Daddy Dave first recommended this article. Its from City Journal and it reviews demographic changes in California.

    I would suggest the title should read:

    Democrat Lies: Why republicans should not waste time chasing the Hispanic vote

    Republican political consultants routinely argue that California’s Hispanics were driven from their natural Republican home by a 1994 voter initiative—backed by then-governor Pete Wilson, a Republican—denying most government benefits to illegal aliens. But it would be almost impossible today to find a Hispanic immigrant who has even heard of Proposition 187. Jim Tolle, pastor of one of the largest Hispanic churches in Southern California, La Iglesia En El Camino, says that his congregation knows nothing about Prop. 187. The fact is that Hispanic skepticism toward the Republican Party derives as much from its perceived economic biases as from Republicans’ opposition to illegal immigration and amnesty. A March 2011 poll by Moore Information asked California’s Latino voters why they had an unfavorable view of the Republican Party. The two top reasons were that the party favored only the rich and that Republicans were selfish and out for themselves; Republican positions on immigration law were cited less often.

  163. Les Majesty

    The Currency Lad is spot on re: Romney.

  164. In any event I’m the only one who has a defacto vote here, as my kid promised she would pull the lever on who I support.

    I will be doing my part to turn NC red again.

  165. Les Majesty

    And I’ll be helping another place keep its nice fresh coat of blue.

  166. JamesK

    Oh puleease Les.

    This is beneath you.

    Fie for shame!

    Murkowski is a particularly nasty piece of work.

    The the very worst RINO.

    She’s vile.

    I think she be happy to drive a stake thru a baby’s fontanelle as the baby crowns.

    if she was a Democrat she’s be tto the left of the loathsome plastique that is Nancy Pelosi

  167. Obama is crushing the GOP in the contraception debate.

    There is no contraception debate. There is a Constitutional debate.

    You can use contraception &/or kill your babies. Go for it – the fewer babies being born to bigoted misanthropic West-hating Leftards the better, I say.

    You can’t force religious organizations to toss aside their religious beliefs.

    It’s not that hard to understad, Les (and Steve).

  168. Les Majesty

    You can’t force religious organizations to toss aside their religious beliefs.

    That’s not what’s happening. It’s more like if every company had to buy innersoles from a government monopoly. It’s no biggie.

  169. “I think [these incidents] are just adding to this sense that women’s health rights are being attacked — that in 2012 we’re having a conversation about whether or not contraception should be allowed,” Murkowski told TPM.

    We’re not.

    No-one is proposing to ban contraception.

    The debate is over whether the President can violate the conscience & freedom of religion clauses of the Constitution of the United States.

  170. Les, you’re being an idiot. Give it up.

  171. JamesK

    That’s not what’s happening. It’s more like if every company had to buy innersoles from a government monopoly. It’s no biggie.

    Fvcme Les is on drugs; he’s chanelling liar-steve® from 24 hours ago

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