Open Forum: April 14, 2012

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  1. Rabz

    John C – we got smashed like the rebels.

    We only had eight players which didn’t help, either.

    Not happy.

  2. Gab

    London Metropolitan University is considering banning the sale of alcohol from some parts of the campus because a “high percentage” of students consider drinking “immoral,” Prof Malcolm Gillies said.

    One-fifth of the University’s students are Muslim, and of those the majority are women. It is an issue of “cultural sensitivity” to provide drink-free areas, Prof Gillies told a conference, adding he was “not a great fan of alchol on campus”.

    What else can they ban? Christians, Jews, atheists? How about enforcing head covering for all females on campus? Segregated lecture theatres and tut rooms?

  3. Token

    Sounds sensible to me Gab.

    When will the LMU act upon the critical issue of getting all women to cover up in the name of cultural sensitivity?

    After all a good and decent man may be forced to commit impure acts if the university forces them to sit around women with hair or wrists showing.

  4. Gab

    I have no doubt at all that will come to pass, Token.

  5. Snap, Gab @9.16am.

    They’re working on it.

  6. Will Kane

    Awesome!

    Twenty Spitfires have been located in Burma. They were buried by the British in 1945.

    “They were just buried there in transport crates,” Mr Cundall said. “They were waxed, wrapped in greased paper and their joints tarred. They will be in near perfect condition.”

    They hope to get them flying again, a whole sqadron of Spits!

  7. I’m worried about the Bunyip. He’s been crook a while now. One of you Eastern-Staters needs to take him some chicken soup or sumfin, get him back on deck.

  8. I have no doubt at all that will come to pass, Token.

    It is not like it has happened before, is it?

  9. Jessica Irvine on the inequality of income in the music industry. When a NoFax Economics in Society writer starts cooking up a story, you can smell that they are shilling for another industry full of luvvies positioning for government handouts…

    Earnings data from US concert organiser Pollstar shows that in 1982, before the boy band era, the top 1 per cent of artists earned 26 per cent of concert revenues. By 2003, the top 1 per cent were pulling in 56 per cent of concert revenue. Just as income inequality has risen for society as a whole, so too have incomes become more skewed in the music industry.

    Technology was supposed to free up the industry and lower the barriers for talented acts. But there remains limited space at the top for music’s superstars.

  10. Has the Cat discussed the cost / benefits of the location of a 2nd airport in Sydney?

    There seems to be lot of rubbish flying around over this topic yet people seem to always ignore the logical candidates – Newcastle and Canberra.

  11. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I’d guess you’d be wrong about that, Tom.

    Ditto to Gab and Kae on this. Odumbo is a weakling and not fantasy material, Tom. Plain as day to any sensible woman.

  12. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Yes, I am worried about the Bunyip too. Get round there quick Master Bunyip and check out that dad is OK. Just let us know, and if he needs a longer holiday, so be it.

  13. Sinclair Davidson

    Token – no.

  14. kae

    A second Sydney airport should probably be close to Sydney. Canberra? Newcastle? Please. You don’t want to fly to “Sydney aiport” and then spend an hour or two travelling to Sydney.

  15. Thanks Sinc. For my its like the Yogi Berra quote:

    “It’s déjà vu all over again”

    I’ve had it with infrastructure discussions where the theme is similar to the NBN (i.e. stop talking about the costs and think of the benefits).

    Kae, have you seen how far out the sites like Badgerys Creek from the centre of Sydney? The only way they could get a place close to Sydney is to do what they did in Hong Kong and build an island.

  16. boy on a bike

    Second airport?

    Who will be able to afford to fly anywhere once the Carbon Tax kicks in.

  17. daddy dave

    There seems to be lot of rubbish flying around over this topic yet people seem to always ignore the logical candidates – Newcastle and Canberra.

    Canberra’s too far. The only way to make it work would be high speed rail, which would create a massive ongoing cost. (and no, it would not be profitable).

    Newcastle is about half the distance but even so, is probably also too far for the same reason.

    I don’t see why this issue is so difficult. There is plenty of land south-west, outside the city fringe, so therefore it doesn’t qualify as “in Western Sydney” – thus O’Farrell keeps his promise.

  18. kae

    Token
    Badgery’s Creek IS part of Sydney.
    It’s probably an hour or so out of the city CBD – whereas Newcastle and Canberra are, timewise, much farther out from the city.

    How does Avalon in Melbourne go? When I was there in the early 90s Avalon was in the middle of nowhere.

  19. daddy dave

    I can’t think of a single Leftist at the CAT who hasn’t suffered a serious mental breakdown. They always crack after a few months tops.

    Unfortunately, that’s not really true.

    e.g., THR for one was a regular here for several years until only recently. There are others. FDB qualifies as ‘left wing’ and hasn’t suffered any kind of breakdown, although he doesn’t tend to go to war. Homer got banned and did not leave of his own accord. Tillman is still around in various guises (although jtfsoon classifies him as a centrist rather than left-wing).

    etc.

    It’s true, though, that newbie left-wingers frequently crash and burn in spectacular fashion.

  20. candy

    “Odumbo is a weakling and not fantasy material, Tom. Plain as day to any sensible woman.”

    oh i don’t know, he’s the president of america, wouldn’t knock him back if he bought me a drink at the local wine bar to discuss his health care package

  21. kae

    So much I want to say, biting my tongue as none of it is nice.

  22. Toxic

    Didn’t the Federal Government buy half of Badgerys Creek in the ’80s with the express advertised purpose of building a second airport there?

    I wonder how many of the NIMBY whiners in the vicinity bought up after that.

  23. Second airport?

    Who will be able to afford to fly anywhere once the Carbon Tax kicks in.

    Quite, it is part of the reason I find this discussion interesting.

    Hey, by the sound of it, Paul Howes could be one of your neighbour BOAB. It seems to be people from that extremely influential part of Sydney that keeps the discussion alive.

    At least Howes is a realist.

    Most mornings I am woken up at six by the noise of a large jumbo jet flying over my house preparing to land at Sydney Airport.

    …Let’s just declare the second Sydney airport dead and hop on board the train to Canberra.

  24. JC

    Token

    Jessica the innumerate doesn’t seem to understand that there would always be 1% no matter how music income was spread. In other words 1% is meaningless without looking at the raw data.

    The real question ought to be why NoFax still employees the moron.

  25. C.L.

    More on the Chamberlain case. No comparison to ‘Trayvon’ in fact.

    Police are entitled to barge into your home and shoot you if you don’t let them in to ‘help’ you?

    I’d say that scumbag police officer will be going away for a long time.

    I’ve commented many times on how ‘law’ enforcement in the US is out of control.

  26. kae

    Howes should be made to walk to the second Sydney airport, no matter where it is.

  27. C.L.

    Tillman is still around in various guises (although jtfsoon classifies him as a centrist rather than left-wing).

    Ahahahaha.

    Tillman is level-pegging with Bob Brown.

  28. JC

    Kae

    Sydney doesn’t need another airport for several decades. Only 48% of slot capacity is being utilized at the moment and the reason it’s kept down there is for political reasons only.

    Fuckers who live there always have known there was an airport so there’s no reason to feel sorry for them.

    Sydeny airport is fine the way it is.

    Conflict disclosure.

    I own a large swag Sydney airport for my retirement account which as a regulated entity has a natural inflation hedge.

  29. JC

    At least Howes is a realist.

    Most mornings I am woken up at six by the noise of a large jumbo jet flying over my house preparing to land at Sydney Airport.

    …Let’s just declare the second Sydney airport dead and hop on board the train to Canberra.

    The dishonest little runt is trying to kill two birds with one stone.

    He bought his fucking home knowing full well there’s a couple of airport runways in the vicinity. So stiff shit. (You paid a discount in relative terms Paulie and if you didn’t you’re a complete idiot).

    Secondly, he knows full well that a second airport would require lots of union ticket carrying members.

    So the little prick is trying to upgrade the value of his house and get his members more work at inflated union wage cost.

    Anyways, don’t worry about the noise Paulie. With the advent of the Dreamliner, it will see noise level decrease by up to 40% so that would be more planes coming into Sydney if the regulators were being fair… Fair in the honest sense of the word.. not the dishonest leftwing version.

  30. I’ve commented many times on how ‘law’ enforcement in the US is out of control.

    Stossel did a great show about this topic.

    The police in Obama’s home state have made it an offence to video tape a police office (22 min)

  31. kae

    I lived in Bankstown until I grew up (okay, I should probably still be there), and the Bankstown aiport is overloaded with flights – every thirty seconds.

    Noise isn’t a problem, it’s just capacity.

  32. daddy dave

    I’m just reporting the facts here, CL. He seems pretty left wing to me, but that’s what Soon reckons.

  33. Sorry 24min – Rochester New York

  34. JC

    Tillers is a leftwinger.? Sure he is. Only the most rusted on would still be supporting Odumbo.

    In fact it was only recently that he described himself as a leftwinger in some comment he made.

    However he gets an honorary rightwinger ticket as he isn’t entirely knackered like the rest we see here.

    Dad’s I wouldn’t entirely agree with you about FDB. He does take off for long periods of time to convalesce after a good beating. And most of the time he’s under the influence of heavy duty drugs anyways.

    THR has been a stayer though.

  35. C.L.

    Tom Scocca’s piece on stupid Word makes it to Slate.

    Is there some way you can get the old, no toolbars and other crap everywhere Word?

  36. The dishonest little runt is trying to kill two birds with one stone.

    He bought his fucking home knowing full well there’s a couple of airport runways in the vicinity. So stiff shit.

    Exactly. I know about the truth about how much ability the airport has to grow as do most adults.

    Unfortunately, the reason this discussion gets so much airplay as so many of the Luvvie-Australian group-thinkers who bought into the inner West did not pay attention to the fact that there is an airport nearby.

    The result is they want the government to stump up billions to build an airport a long way away from them.

  37. JC

    Honestly is there a more useless organization than Skype? They really are unique in the technology area in that every single update has made the platform worse than the previous one. I guess they fit right in with Microtheft, since they were acquired.

  38. Viva

    Santorum ran a pretty courageous campaign, but I think he lost it when he got himself caught in social issues.

    You mean he lost it when he started in on the old bible bashing surely.

    As for the killing fields of the Cat. Not surprised that stray lefties wither and die under the barrage of abuse. But that’s the nature of the beast and they know what to expect if they stick around I suppose. And it is therapeutic for right types to get the shit off their liver stored up for ages living in a society run by an increasingly progressive mindset.

    I got the shit off my liver by being the minority right person on a special interest blog dominated by US democrats and leftie Euroweenies which also ran a current affairs thread. Although I suffered regular pile-ons the particular thread was shut down when things got too bloody. But I found that unremitting forensic argument with a judicious smattering of condescending putdowns was far more satisfying to my soul than full on abuse. I finally got fed up by being bracketed with Hitler and departed feeling cleansed of my need to do combat. Left and right brains seem to be wired differently. Aint much you can do about it and reasoned argument has its definite limits.

  39. JC

    Left and right brains seem to be wired differently. Aint much you can do about it and reasoned argument has its definite limits.

    I’m not sure about that in the sense that if you scratch deeply enough you always find there are selfish reasons when I leftwinger peddles more statism. Most of them are either on the public payroll or receive indirect support from the government.

  40. JC

    You mean he lost it when he started in on the old bible bashing surely.

    Pretty much. He really did have a good economic story to tell. I think his policy of zero tax for manufacturing businesses was distortionary but he had the right idea about cutting all corporate tax to 17%. IT would have absolutely lifted the US economy to light speed growth.

    He really had some pretty decent economic policies and should have focused on those at the beginning of the campaign when he started to get a serious hearing. They were certainly better than Mr In-between. He could have toured back to social issues once he bedded down the economics first.

  41. I can hear heads exploding from my front porch…

    Gingrich to the NRA: It’s time to make the right to bear arms a universal human right at the UN

    I think we should appoint Newt Ambassador to the UN. Just for the lulz.

  42. Europe to cut power of vacuum cleaners to save energy

    europe has gone completely stark raving mad, looking to replicate the former soviet union in centralised stupidity.

  43. JC

    CL

    There’s more to the story here than meets the eye according to Chris Pyne (insider interview).

    Coates’ people worked with her department and set a date and allowed her to set it so as to me as accommodating as possible to her. The dysfunctional idiot then backed out at the last minute making it impossible for Coates to change the time.

    This is a good example of never giving the lying slapper the benefit of the doubt on anything at all as you know she’s either lying, lying about fucking up, or just fucking it up completely.

    Those are the three principles/tools people should work with when discussing the lying slapper and you’d have 100% strike rate.

  44. As for the killing fields of the Cat. Not surprised that stray lefties wither and die under the barrage of abuse. But that’s the nature of the beast and they know what to expect if they stick around I suppose

    Do you think the message has sunk in that people approaching 40 who try that whiny beta-male BS about bullying will be laughed at?

    I’ve been thinking about the topic and believe Sinc was wrong. It is possible for some adults to bully other adults, when enabled by a people like this and this.

  45. JC

    Gingrich to the NRA: It’s time to make the right to bear arms a universal human right at the UN

    You gotta really love him at times. He stops lefties breathing for 30 seconds and heart rates spike up.

  46. Tom Scocca’s piece on stupid Word makes it to Slate.

    I got the idea that it was the SMH which picked it up from Slate – Scocca has been a frequent contributor to the Slate blog and SMH credits Slate in a tag at the end.

    Maybe Fairfax should just outsource all their articles to American bloggers…

  47. C.L.

    I don’t have much sympathy for the Olympic ‘family’ or the East German dole-bludgers running it, JC.

  48. JC

    I don’t have much sympathy for the Olympic ‘family’ or the East German dole-bludgers running it, JC.

    Neither do I of course. There shouldn’t be a cent going into that money pit.

    However, she made the date and then backed out of it after the other side were accommodating and working to her schedule.

  49. Viva

    I’m not sure about that in the sense that if you scratch deeply enough you always find there are selfish reasons when I leftwinger peddles more statism. Most of them are either on the public payroll or receive indirect support from the government.

    IMO they go for statism as in their mind it is differentiated from money grubbing commerce; the state represents the group as against the individual (as the UN does against individual states). The left feel it their role to critique and control their own while standing ready to defend the “other” whom they see as powerless. Their world is defined by power relationships in which the majority is always suspect. In fact the power of the state must be harnessed in opposition to that oppressive majority by “leading” public opinion or by regulation where leading opinion cannot be relied upon. They seem to be frozen in an adolescent world view of black and white and driven by that familiar teenage rage against perceived injustice. Their loyalty is always bonded to an abstract perception of social justice which transcends any other loyalty or common sense. They would see us all die in a ditch rather than compromise on that.

  50. C.L.

    Penn Jillette on compassion, as seen at Ace of Spades:

  51. Look how far the Kennedy family has fallen.

    Is this their best and brightest? Really? Does he think his tweets are private or something?

  52. JC

    Viva

    I don’t disagree with any of that. Most of their arguments are of course bordering on the child like. But I also think if you scratch deeply enough there is also a great deal of personal rent seeking and sucking on the public teat… or hoping to do so in the future.

  53. Interesting, if this occurred with Bush-Hitler was the president would our press be so quiet?

    Argument About the Bill Alerted Hotel Authorities to Secret Service and Prostitutes Cavorting, WH Official Says

    The argument was a dispute over the bill for services rendered, the administration official said.

    Hotel Caribe authorities went to investigate the ruckus and learned that there had been some activity between Secret Service agents and prostitutes, the senior administration official said.

  54. C.L.

    Try again…

    Penn Jillette on compassion, as seen at Ace of Spades.

  55. Sinclair Davidson

    Token – that’s not bullying. That is civil disorder.

  56. C.L.

    The Secret Service prostitutes story, along with the Ann Romney shocker, the re-appearance of Sharpton, Jackson and the Black Panthers – these are all gold for Romney. There’s a stench of hatred, corruption, lying and criminality wafting around Obama now. All he seems to have is more Let’s Hate Da Rich. I never predict election results. Why risk it on something so grey and vague. But I’m coming to the view that Obama is going to be given the baseball bat treatment later this year. Americans are sick of the communist freak.

  57. FDB

    FDB qualifies as ‘left wing’ and hasn’t suffered any kind of breakdown, although he doesn’t tend to go to war.

    A lot of left wingers would disagree about my qualifications, but yeah, no breakdowns.

    There is bullying in spades here, for all to see who aren’t so blind that they will not, to mangle the old saying.

    Abusive pile-ons (typically when someone says something true but unpopular, and there’s no other recourse) are de rigeur, the accusations are frequent of being less than a real man (for men), or a tranny (for women). The posting of photos of commenters with snide comments about their appearance.

    Honestly, what definition of bullying are you guys using that doesn’t include those exact things?

    Then you have the solo acts, JamesK and MarkL come to mind, spewing out highly personal solo diatribes like Onan The Barbarian when someone gets under their skin.

    There is a difference between people acting like bullies and the feeling of being bullied though. As it’s invariably such laughable acting-out, it’s water off this little duck’s back. Does get pretty boring from time to time, but it’s almost comforting to check back in every so often and find that nothing has changed.

    Stay classy boys.

  58. JC

    Is this their best and brightest? Really? Does he think his tweets are private or something?

    Token… he hates conservatives? As god is my witness I saw that fucker at this restaurant in NYC when I was there in November. I dunno who was paying but it wasn’t cheap and he wasn’t eggsactly hanging around with da poor and dispossessed.

    The place has the best veal cutlet(schnitzel) Milanese dish in the world. Literately mouth watering just thinking about it. And the psata dishes are out of this world.

  59. C.L.

    Christine Milne brings something fresh to national discourse:

    Tony Abbott ‘pathetic’ says new Greens leader.

    There is someone she loves:

    “I know Malcolm Turnbull has a different view on this but he’s out there on his own.”

  60. Abusive pile-ons (typically when someone says something true but unpopular

    FDB
    I like how when someone is accused of being a leftie the “bullies” tend to somehow associate the leftie with far right organisations such as taliban and nazis etc. So I am curious how their thinking is. Then you get the guilt by association thing like somehow a leftie is like Stalin or Mao and will start causing the deaths of millions should they ever gain any real power. These people live in the alternate reality of the “CAT”.

  61. C.L.

    Bob Kennedy’s a classic. He hates da oil and favours things like wind power. Well, sort of…

    RFK Jr Nixes Wind Farm Near Kennedy Compound.

  62. While we are talking people staying staying classy.

    Bill Maher has provided some moderate and considered thoughts about Anne Romney.

    But what she meant to say, I think, was that Ann Romney has never gotten her ass out of the house to work. No one is denying that being a mother is a tough job, I remember that I was a handful. Okay, but there is a big difference in being a mother, and that tough job, and getting your ass out of the door at 7am when it’s cold, having to deal with the boss, being in a workplace, and even if you’re unhappy you can’t show it for 8 hours, that is a different kind of tough thing,” Maher observed last night.

  63. JC

    A lot of left wingers would disagree about my qualifications, but yeah, no breakdowns.

    Untrue. You’re lying.

    There is bullying in spades here, for all to see who aren’t so blind that they will not, to mangle the old saying.

    Bullying? You big baby. You used to hang around Lavatory Pronto which basically prevented even the most pleasant righties from ever commenting there and you have the nerve to call “bullying”.

    If you say something that’s idiotic and stupid, FDB you ought to be called out on it and told why. Whenever you’ve been called an idiot, moron etc. you are also told why.

    Abusive pile-ons (typically when someone says something true but unpopular, and there’s no other recourse) are de rigeur,

    Bullshit. Normally there’s one person that takes exception to your stupidity and that’s me. Most of the other people here are unfortunately tolerant to your stupidity.

    the accusations are frequent of being less than a real man (for men), or a tranny (for women).

    The trannie accusation is only focused on one person, which is Birdie’s trannie, Phil.

    I might add that you were indirectly responsible for outing him as you posted the comment here once that Phil was the banned commenter at the Lavatory (jinmaro) and was in fact a male nurse.

    The posting of photos of commenters with snide comments about their appearance.

    Once. In any event, it may help the lard come to his senses and save his own life as he’s very overweight.

    Honestly, what definition of bullying are you guys using that doesn’t include those exact things?

    Oh for god’s sake stop acting like a girlyman.

    There is a difference between people acting like bullies and the feeling of being bullied though.

    You delicate little petal.

    As it’s invariably such laughable acting-out, it’s water off this little duck’s back. Does get pretty boring from time to time, but it’s almost comforting to check back in every so often and find that nothing has changed.

    You’re only showing up here because the lavatory has closed down.

    Look, FDB there’s no more fucking excuses. Since you fuckers are trying to shut down free speech, no more mr. nice guy. You voted for the party that is attempting to regulate free speech in this fucking country, you loon and you have the temerity to come here and accuse people of bullying. Get the fuck out of here you clown.

  64. FDB

    Hahahahahaha. I don’t often literally laugh out loud alone at my computer, but that’s just too precious JC.

    Don’t ever change.

  65. JC
    Most of the other people here are unfortunately tolerant to your stupidity.

    Often a left winger with a right wing attitude to aggression. Examples Agrees with bail outs, nanny subsidies, baby bonus. Just a partisan hack really with no real substance.

  66. JC

    Then you get the guilt by association thing like somehow a leftie is like Stalin or Mao and will start causing the deaths of millions should they ever gain any real power. These people live in the alternate reality of the “CAT”.

    Dickhead, Kelly,

    Believe it or not Australia is one of the worlds oldest most stable democracies. Would you ever in your fucking life have believed that slime on the left would ever attempt to regulate free speech in this country and do it under the guise of getting support through academia?

    Aren’t you in the least bit pissed off?

    That’s why fisk is right in saying the left has no legitimacy in discussing anything anymore. He’s right to say they’ve played themselves right out of the game with this filthy disgusting, illiberal attempt to prevent free speech.

    Where were you when the free speech wars were occurring, Kelly?

    As for being non-partisan.. like a few righties I was prepared to give both Rudd and the Kenyan a chance at the beginning and reserved judgement.

  67. Liberal Magazine “The Nation” Encourages Readers To Support Occupy Wall Street. . . By Applying For Its Visa Card

  68. JC

    Often a left winger with a right wing attitude to aggression. Examples Agrees with bail outs, nanny subsidies, baby bonus. Just a partisan hack really with no real substance.

    Stop being a lying dishonest cabbie, Kelly. I supported the bailouts because of the potential dire nature the banking system found itself in.

    If you weren’t so stupid you’d could at least argue from an intelligent point over the bailouts, but that would be impossible for you as you wouldn’t understand it other than the drivel you’ve picked up at far left sites.

    Where have I ever supported any of the rest? Prove it by posting the link or what I have said. I’ve never supported any subsidies or bonuses you doofus.

  69. Where were you when the free speech wars were occurring, Kelly?

    Have to admit didn’t really see it as a big issue in large part because it would be unworkable especially with blogs as all that had to be done is to republish something over thousands of blogs and they aren’t going to round us all up. The Kenyan’s support of NDAA is far more threatening to me given our countries close relationship with the US and that was with bi-partisan support. We did follow the US with the lock someone up without lawyer for a couple of weeks just after the US did so it is not out of the question that we would make a law of indefinate detention in a military prison also.

  70. JC

    Hahahahahaha. I don’t often literally laugh out loud alone at my computer, but that’s just too precious JC.

    Don’t ever change

    Why would I change?

    FDB, you publicly came out and said you voted for the Greenslime. Not once have you ever come out since they have been active in attempting to curtail our rights to free speech… not once have you have disavowed them and said that on this issue alone you would be voting for the other side.

    Why should I exhibit any fucking tolerance to you when you still actively support those filthy slugs that would cut our right to speaking out?

    That basically counts you out. You no longer have any legitimacy and neither do the fuckers you hang out with politically. None.

  71. JC
    I remember you did put some arguement about nanny subsidies being good and no can’t find the link. The baby bonus was just thrown in there to test your reaction.

  72. JC

    Kelly STFU please as you’re now starting to embarrass me for even giving you these few minutes I’ll never get back.

  73. twostix

    It’s impossible for people posting under psuedonyms to be “bullied” on the internet. If you don’t like the words you read, then go away and don’t read them.

    It’s just so simple, yet beyond the grasp of even the most advanced leftist like FDB or M0nty who simply wish that people they don’t like were banned.

    The beta male whinging that lefties are engaging in now since you’ll invaded since LP kicked you all out for being such a bunch of whingers is extraordinary.

    As CL called it: Leftist Panhandling – when the left starts getting thumped, it’s beta men start whinging “can’t we all just get along, you’re just so mean“.

    This is of course inbetween fist pumping when the PM’s office organises a real life race riot against a conservative politician or it’s real life adherents are violently “occupying” and invading private and public spaces and intimidating private citizens or supporting the regime to shut down your political opponents newspapers.

    That’s all totally cool and civilised.

  74. The logo for this year’s Democrat Convention in the Queen City is seriously gay. And this?!

    Though I do love the fact that they’re doing this on Labor Day … in a Right-to-Work (non-unionsed) state (NC has the lowest union rate in the US, under 3%). Good luck finding union labor to set up your Styrofoam coliseum at the speedway, Barry!

    I bet Bambi’s SEIU mates are happy. lol

  75. Stop teh Bullying! It’s INAPPROPRIATE!!

  76. FDB, you publicly came out and said you voted for the Greenslime.

    You have to give FDB marks for bravery lol.

  77. C.L.

    It’s testament to America’s lack of muscle these days that they couldn’t even hush up a hooker scandal. I just read what happened in Columbia. Basically, the Secret Service boys got 12 hookers in for the night and one of them wasn’t paid. So she went to the police (LOL) and they rocked up to the hotel, then filed a report with the US Embassy (and told everyone in the press, obviously).

  78. FDB

    It’s impossible for people posting under psuedonyms to be “bullied” on the internet. If you don’t like the words you read, then go away and don’t read them.

    From an expert in not reading comments (even ones he responds to!) I’ll certainly take that on board.

    You may argue that it’s impossible to BE bullied under a pseudonym on the internet. It would be, I’m quite sure, the kind of argument that takes as its main premise its own conclusion, but whatevs. Make it if you wish.*

    My point is that people here frequently engage in bullying behaviour. High-grade, pure and unadulterated. Absolutely quintessential examples of it. They do their level best (within the limitations of the medium that you highlight) to bully others, and then crow about it when it results in a “breakdown” of one kind or another.

    It is rarely possible for anyone to have a civil discussion with someone they disagree with here, for this very reason.

    *in my case at least you have a data point in your favour. I’ve never felt bullied here, even when transparent attempts to bully me are being made. But I’d argue that many people lack my sense of ironic detachment and sauve demeanor, not to mention my effortless good looks, and may thus be in a less robust self-esteem position. Fucking pansies, JC would call them, without a hint of irony, as he argues that he’s not a bully.

  79. Fisky

    As for being non-partisan.. like a few righties I was prepared to give both Rudd and the Kenyan a chance at the beginning and reserved judgement.

    And some of us are slow on the uptake. It took me two-and-a-half years to realise that Rudd was a Whitlamesque disaster. Since then I’ve learned my lesson and now all Labor governments are assumed to be nation-ending catastrophes until proven otherwise. I simply refuse under any circumstances to countenance voting Labor, based on their disgusting performance nationally and in every state and territory.

    It’s probably a lesson that needs to be learned by every generation at some point. The younger voters took a bit longer to twig because of Labor’s reasonable record in the 80s. But talk to most old-timers who watched Labor during the 50s, 60s and 70s and they’ll tell you many a story about Labor’s nastiness.

  80. JC

    It is rarely possible for anyone to have a civil discussion with someone they disagree with here, for this very reason.

    Okay. How do you support a political party that wants to close down free speech?

    And on that basis why would you or any other leftwing troll type (you have admitted to being a troll many times too by the way) be given a square inch of space from the nice department if that’s who you support, you illiberal trog?

    GO!

  81. JamesK

    FDB – apart from talkin’ utter shite as usual – lacks insight, m’kay?

  82. JC

    and may thus be in a less robust self-esteem position. Fucking pansies, JC would call them, without a hint of irony, as he argues that he’s not a bully.

    I think you’re confusing bullying to intolerance of disgusting totalitarians and their supporters like you FDB. Big difference.

  83. Fisky

    Don’t be ridiculous, FDB. You are the mirror image of JamesK when it comes to snapping at people and being prickly the whole time. And it turns out you did have personal issues causing you to write angry obscenities. But the purpose is not to discuss those issues, but rather to ask why you are suddenly opposed to personal abuse when in fact you are a practitioner.

    Both you and JamesK need to stop the hate.

  84. JC

    “Bully”, it’s such an effeminate word. It even sounds like one.

  85. FDB

    JC – am I to take it you wish to have a civil discussion about Greens’ policy?

    Well if so that would be quite out of character, but I’d give it a go. Before we go on though – you do know what ‘civil’ means, right?

  86. JamesK

    So u – presumably – suggest that it’s u who spreads da love, Fisky?

    Your an embarrassment to our side Fisky.

    Its not ur stupidity but rather like most of da Left u combine it with sanctimony which even from the smart people is not a good look but from a small mind such as urs always looks ridiculous.

  87. dover_beach

    It is rarely possible for anyone to have a civil discussion with someone they disagree with here, for this very reason.

    I’ve had plenty and one’s involving strong disagreements.

  88. Since then I’ve learned my lesson and now all Labor governments are assumed to be nation-ending catastrophes until proven otherwise.

    Fisky that sounds like a pretty good rule to live by. I think another main lesson to be learnt is for the Coalition to make sure they sell there policies better and always refer back to history. This was not done effectively in the case of refugee policy, and economic policies where the majority of the population wanted a change from offshore processing and government frugalness.

  89. JamesK

    A civil discussion on Green fascism FDB?

  90. FDB

    At what point did I claim never to have been abusive? That’s the tenor of the site, and I enjoy a robust stoush.

    I was just pointing out the transparently phony denials of bullying.

    As for being a troll – given the signal-to-noise ratio here (and the practical impossibility of engaging even with the mostly good-faith commenters I nonetheless often disagree with like DD, D_B, Sinclair, Gab, plenty of others, because someone else always barges in roughshod with a blanket of baloney to spread over everyone) that’s what I’m reduced to – kicking about for the lulz till I get bored again.

    I love it how you guys always say the place is tolerant of dissent, just because the admins rarely moderate dissenting views. There’s more than one way to skin a Cat, NPI, and this is clearly one of the least tolerant places on the web. It’s a cultural thing, and it’s as plain as the nose on your face unless your head’s up your arse.

  91. twostix

    It is rarely possible for anyone to have a civil discussion with someone they disagree with here, for this very reason.

    There’s no ‘bullying’ on leftist blogs and sites because they ruthlessly ban anybody who even begins to upset the natives.

    Then after banning someone, at best the natives very “civilly” sit around wholesale making up and then “arguing” against points that they are sure that if the commenter was still around (instead of mysteriously disappearing) he himself would be making.

    After “winning” all of these self concocted arguments against the ghost of the rightwinger they then feel highly intellectual having once again dispatched a right winger and his feeble arguments.

    The only reason you’re whinging about being “bullied” is because you lot are currently on the back foot. There was no whinging about “bullying” in 2009 when you were on top of the world and on the attack.

  92. Fisky

    You see what I mean? JamesK is so filled with anger and hate it’s practically spilling out his ears. It’s impossible to have a reasonable conversation with him, especially about pertinent topics such as Santorum’s complete failure to gain traction with mainstream conservatives, or Romney’s brilliance in most fields.

    And please, James, learn how to write stuff without it reading like a teenager’s text-messaging.

  93. FDB

    sdog – nice.

    Although it brings back a very painful memory for me*. I was helping a friend move house, and needed to take a crap. I didn’t realise, but the house cat had its food bowl on the other side of the washing machine. He finished nibbling, then sauntered over to the hallway door.

    I thought, okay kitty, hold on and I’ll let you out when I’m good and ready.

    Fucking thing stands up and turns the handle (a complicated maneuver involving opposing one paw against the other while hanging off the ground), swings the door wide open and leaves me sitting, turd halfway out, while two near-strangers struggle past with a couch.

    How embarrassment.

  94. pete m

    CL

    Old Word menu for newer versions, needs an addon:

    link to add on

    cheers

  95. FDB

    Should probably have thought about a TMI warning.

  96. C.L.

    Actual ad: Woman Seeking Man Who Knocked Her Up In The Bathroom At Megadeth/Motorhead Show On Craigslist.

    Did we hook up at the Megadeth/Motorhead concert? – w4m – 28 (Aragon Ballroom)

    “Me: Blue hair, silver tube top, fishnets, Knee high black biker boots.
    You: Red mohawk, black pentagram gauges, viper piercings.

    I was grinding on you in the pit, then we went to the bathroom, and got f***ed up. You had a nice c**k and I was wasted so I let [you] raw dog it in the stall. You were really good and you had to gag me so I would not make too much noise.

    Anyway I’m pregnant. It’s yours. contact me if you want to be part of your child’s life.”

    At least she’s pro-life. So that’s good.

  97. twostix

    I love it how you guys always say the place is tolerant of dissent, just because the admins rarely moderate dissenting views. There’s more than one way to skin a Cat, NPI, and this is clearly one of the least tolerant places on the web. It’s a cultural thing, and it’s as plain as the nose on your face unless your head’s up your arse.

    Ah the mind of the left: where everyone is “intolerant” or “bullies” if they dare argue against their political views. Being able to air his opinion isn’t enough, all must also demurely bow down to it. Even when his opinion is that his opponents should, say, be muzzled by the government.

    Then we hear that this place, despite letting him speak is actually “less tolerant” than say LP or Democratic Underground where they simply ban dissenting voices.

    What a joker.

  98. Romney’s brilliance in most fields.

    LOL LOL You must be kidding. Going by reasonable budget estimates he will run debt up as quick as the ALP does in Aus. You never know if he is Arthur or Martha he changes his mind so often. What political wit and skill to be known as the “Etch a Sketch” guy who designed Obamacare. He still might win but that is not because of his brilliance it is because people don’t like the other guy more.

  99. twostix

    majority of the population wanted a change from offshore processing

    Sure they did Kelly, sure they did.

  100. FDB

    Ah the mind of the left: where everyone is “intolerant” or “bullies” if they dare argue against their political views. Being able to air his opinion isn’t enough, all must also demurely bow down to it. Even when his opinion is that his opponents should, say, be muzzled by the government.

    Making shit up much?

    I didn’t always, and often didn’t, agree with LPs moderation decisions, but there were plenty of civil dissenters allowed right up until the end.

    If you acted like an arsehole, you got banned. That was how it happened in most cases, and usually after repeated warnings.

    Anyway, you’re still clearly not reading my comments before responding twostix, and just making shit up instead, so I’m going to return the favour.

  101. dover_beach

    Great ad, CL. And, yes, that is good.

  102. JamesK

    Going by reasonable budget estimates he will run debt up as quick as the ALP does in Aus

    That’s utter bollocks Kelly.

    Going by what/whose ‘reasonable’ budget estimate?

  103. C.L.

    Thanks, Pete M!

    Am checking it out now.

  104. Abu Chowdah

    FDB, the past events that you call bullying, I would call “howls of derision”.

  105. dover_beach

    Pete M, that add-on is brilliant.

  106. Mk50 of Brisbane

    FDB:

    Then you have the solo acts, JamesK and MarkL come to mind, spewing out highly personal solo diatribes like Onan The Barbarian when someone gets under their skin.

    Why, thank you, FDB! ‘Onan the Barbarian’, what an amusing little expression.

    That’s a deeply interesting comment.

    Y’see, after a few years or so at LP and other left-wing sites, and with Evil Pundit and I corresponding via email to examine and dissect left-wing tactics, I had absorbed the attack sequence and online ‘mob attack’ tactics of the left. I actually listed them (I think EP did too).

    Now I apply these same tactics to egregiously offensive and uncivil left-wingers. They are quite effective against them.

    Left-wingers absolutely hate this, it drives them spare. But turn-about is fair play, and it tends to drive them away when their own tactics are applied back at them. They really, really do not like being treated in the same way they treat others.

    I do not apply such tactics to civilised, civil or non-left-wing persons. Check my discussions with Kelly Liddle and CL, for example – or for that matter with you.

    But far-left ideologues who routinely use these tactics themselves? They are fair game for their own tactics to be turned back on them and deserve no quarter whatsoever. Nor do they get any. Also, as I understand their tactics, they have no effect on me. I just think ‘oh, he’s using standard lefty tactic #6′

    LP’s a goldmine for analysing the tactics of the left. I was genuinely sad to see it die. The classic LP tactic is for some lefty to put words into your mouth which you have not said, and then all the other lefties pretend that you have said them. It’s a very effective tactic. Yet, the squalling, whining and whimpering when that same tactic is turned back on the people who use it is deafening!

    There are many other very effective tactics I have learned from LP. They are all unfair, underhanded although I do not agree with your word ‘bullying’.

    If the same standard left-winger tactics turned back onto the left wing is described as ‘bullying’, maybe that’s just the other shoe pinching too hard. Because sure as hell the left uses these tactics routinely far, far more than everyone else does. And they use them as first recourse, not last. This is what THR, Les majesty etc etc do and it’s how they act.

    Please note that I exempt you, Katz and a couple of others from the above. I have had civil and interesting discussions with both of you even though we do not agree on the subject.Both of you tend to argue robustly on the merits of the issue.

  107. Mitt’s goal will be to bring federal spending below 20 percent of GDP by the end of his first term

    :

    Requires spending cuts of approximately $500 billion per year in 2016 assuming robust economic recovery with 4% annual growth, and reversal of irresponsible Obama-era defense cuts

    James
    Yes interesting Mitt predicts the US will be in boom times 4% per year growth. Even given all this the tax take is below 20% at the moment so no intention to get a surplus as tax cuts will be made. That 4% growth sounds a bit like the ALP budget projections a bit on the shakey side. Ron Paul has a better budget plan but the surplus is so narrow it even looks like an ALP budget. If you weren’t aware James the US is in serious trouble but they will inflate there way out of it just make people poorer by devaluing the money.

  108. wreckage

    That 4% growth sounds a bit like the ALP budget projections a bit on the shakey side.

    Well there’s a recovery taking shape in manufacturing in particular, and an energy boom underway.

  109. Wreckage
    The 4% might happen but it will be through inflation and population growth. Mitt is not pretending he will balance the budget though. So that counts for honesty I suppose.

  110. JamesK

    ames
    Yes interesting Mitt predicts the US will be in boom times 4% per year growth. Even given all this the tax take is below 20% at the moment so no intention to get a surplus as tax cuts will be made

    You didn’t answer the question Kelly.

    Romney’s budget is the Ryan budget.

    He will radically reform the tax system to encourage growth and those changes will be revenue neutral.

  111. He will radically reform the tax system to encourage growth and those changes will be revenue neutral.

    The answer is Mitt plans to run deficits only ones a bit smaller than Obama. That means continuing to run up debt.

  112. James
    The last time the US had a true surpluss that is actually paid down debt was in 1951 if my memory is correct. It was in the 50s anyway. Even our ALP has a record of paying debt down in the 80s but later on they ran it up again.

  113. wreckage

    As for bullying unto breakdown. KofK for example was into the hurly-burly and doing fine then one day, inexplicably, went totally to bits-and-shits at Gab for no reason.

    That was the only breakdown I’ve witnessed. It’d be nice if some of the regulars were a little less high-handed, since it doesn’t work on the genuinely useless (Les, who is here for the lulz, SoB who is here because he can’t extricate himself from abusive pseudo-relationships).

    I exclude sdfc/JC exchanges from any plea for better behaviour. Calling each other names seems to be the basis for some sort of enduring relationship there.

  114. JamesK

    The deficit is 40% of government spending every year Kelly.

    What da fuck is ur point?

    A surplus when?

    1 or 2 years?

    And u still have avoided answering my original question for very obvious reasons.

  115. Winston SMITH

    “Even given all this the tax take is below 20% at the moment so no intention to get a surplus as tax cuts will be made.”

    The Left will never understand that if the tax tax take is too high and you cut taxes, the government will end up with more revenue.
    Kelly demonstrates that inability yet again.

  116. The White House projections released today call for GDP growth of 3.6 percent in 2014 and 4.1 percent in 2015.

    James
    I can’t find any projections that say 4% growth from 2013 on can you?

    A surplus when?

    That is my point their is no likely chance of a surplus for the forseeable future.

  117. The Left will never understand that if the tax tax take is too high and you cut taxes, the government will end up with more revenue.

    Winston
    I understand that and what is your point it presents a one off gain for the most part. Even given this the US will still be running huge deficits.

  118. JamesK

    The White House projections released today call for GDP growth of 3.6 percent in 2014 and 4.1 percent in 2015.

    What does that even mean Kelly?

    If the President ‘calls for growth’ of 50% will that happpen?

    What have the WH budget and tax plans and Romney’s got in common?

    And you persist in not answering my original question.

    Whose ‘reasonable budget estimates’, Kelly?

  119. Whose ‘reasonable budget estimates’, Kelly?

    Everybodies as I have pointed out there is no plan to balance the budget even Romney or Ryan agree with that. An unbalanced budget is not sustainable except through inflation or devaluation of the currency. This to me makes it not credible. If your bar is so low vote for the ALP next time.

  120. Tom

    “Bully”, it’s such an effeminate word. It even sounds like one.

    With you, JC. The Green shemales who turn up here occasionally when they’re bored with all the government-funded and supported Left blogs behave like entitled private schoolgirls with rich parents.

  121. Jc

    Kelly

    Stop being a fucking idiot. Ryan’s plan is to balance the budget and Romney has essentially adopted Ryan’s plan.

    The idea is not to force down spending but to ease off the accelerator slowly allowing the private market to take up the slack.

    To suggest there is no plan is basically delusional.

    You really are an idiot most times.

  122. Ryan’s plan is to balance the budget and Romney has essentially adopted Ryan’s plan.

    By when 2050 assuming 4% growth rate? There has been no serious plan since the 50s when the debt actually went down at one stage.

  123. daddy dave

    “Bully”, it’s such an effeminate word. It even sounds like one.

    JC, that’s a weird thing to say. Presumably it was a thought bubble that hit the keyboard before popping.

  124. Jc

    JC – am I to take it you wish to have a civil discussion about Greens’ policy?

    Well if so that would be quite out of character, but I’d give it a go. Before we go on though – you do know what ‘civil’ means, right?

    FDB

    A debate on the fascist greens? These are the filth tha want to take away our right to political dissent. So are you kidding?

    FDB, you dishonest slug, you asked to explain how you can possibly support a political party that wants to close down the “hate media” in favor of the love media.

    You have to be on some serious drugs if you think this deserves a debate.

    As they say the science is settled on that one and debate is over.

    Oh and by the way, you mentioned how lard ball monster was given a hard time and I just recall what happened.

    He basically tried in his usual way to fast talk and dishonestly attack sinc.
    Someone stuck his photo album up and it became a great opportunity to turn things around and hit him back twice as hard…. And no doubt the cretin is still bawling.

    Anyways you’ll be happy to know that that pumpkin stomach was calling me all sorts of names such as parasite because of the work I do. Of course you took the fat lard ball’s side though ignoring his abuse. Not surprised.

  125. FDB

    I’ll take that as a ‘no’ to both my questions JC.

    Colour me shocked.

  126. Oh come on

    The Dem-MSM complex just love centre-right automatons like Fisky and Oco.

    JamesK you really are a tedious numbskull. But keep putting your ridiculous spin on Santorum’s inevitable and unsurprising loss, there’s a good chap.

    VP/Secretary of State, my arse. What a shit analysis. I know you’re in denial about his deeply precarious position in the dying days of his campaign, but the fact is he was in no shape to be dictating terms or extracting concessions. Romney wouldn’t have had to give him anything for him to bow out. The guy got out when he did because he didn’t want to risk destroying his future prospects which would have been what he was facing if he lost PA. Got his eye on 2016, or something. Well, if Romney loses, that is.

    But in that case he’s going to be battling all the GOP’s star rookies who decided they were too green for this cycle. Fat chance he has against them. This primary was his only shot, and whilst no one can deny that he gave it a red hot go, he didn’t get over the line. Deal with it, James. And stop trying to rewrite history.

  127. JC

    JC, that’s a weird thing to say. Presumably it was a thought bubble that hit the keyboard before popping.

    Not really.. It’s taking on sorta similar meaning as sustainable and waaacist to suggest essentially nothing in English but simply to either assist/convey leftwing opinion or stop debate.

    You now see lots of beta(ized) leftwing males calling bully if they’re given rough treatment.

    In fact there was recently a leftwing flash mob on the Monster/Lardball thread calling “bully”. It was amusing.

    Perhaps not effeminate, but certainly feminized.

    You may like this piece in Reason.

  128. JC

    I’ll take that as a ‘no’ to both my questions JC.

    Colour me shocked.

    What’s there to debate FDB? You support a political party that wants to cut off free speech at the knees. it’s binary. You either support them or you don’t for that reason alone. You do, so there’s absolutely nothing to debate. As I said, the science is settled.

  129. Oh come on

    Why, thank you, FDB! ‘Onan the Barbarian’, what an amusing little expression.

    Not that it’s his, of course.

  130. JC

    Okay, FDB, I won’t be angry with you and won’t abuse. So please explain how you can support a political party that wants to close free speech? How are you on friendly terms with the lavatory pronto crowd when they support the curtailment of the right to publicly dissent?

    Explain away.

  131. Oh come on

    THR for one was a regular here for several years until only recently.

    Exactly. He was got in the end.

    And is Homer a leftwinger? It seems to me that he holds one or two core fringe positions and will use whatever ideology he can employ to bolster them.

  132. The idea is not to force down spending but to ease off the accelerator slowly allowing the private market to take up the slack.

    JC
    That might be the case as it is stated but I do not trust politicians so I do not believe it (no debt reduction for 60 years might make one suspicious). If it isn’t slash and burn like Ron Paul would do reducing spending to 2006 levels over a few years it has very little credibility in my eyes. I might be tough on this but considering most countries stuff up big time every 30 years or so there is no reason to have a high level of faith.

  133. Gab

    The Green shemales who turn up here occasionally when they’re bored with all the government-funded and supported Left blogs behave like entitled private schoolgirls with rich parents.

    lol that’s almost poetic in it’s elegance, Tom.

  134. JC

    No, I believe Ron Paul 100% on that. I also think he would put the dollar on a gold standard as that is entirely the president right without the need to go to congress. I also think he would turn the US isolationist.

    I think those policies would send the US economy into depression as he would be hardening the currency, as he drastically slowed spending. US spending needs to be brought down, bit also brought down intelligently. Fast growth would also take care of the cyclical deficit.

    He’s like a butcher is to a neursurgeon, Kelly, you eggnog.

  135. JamesK

    JamesK you really are a tedious numbskull. But keep putting your ridiculous spin on Santorum’s inevitable and unsurprising loss, there’s a good chap.

    Seriously Oco, fvck off.

    I have at all times maintained that Romney would be the likely nominee.

    So spare us the leftist-like strawman.

  136. JC

    That might be the case as it is stated but I do not trust politicians so I do not believe it

    You fuddle headed idiot. Is Ron Paul not a politician?

  137. JC

    FDB? Where are you? Get out from under that rock.

  138. Oh come on

    I have at all times maintained that Romney would be the likely nominee.

    I never said you didn’t, you colossal moron. You’re the one introducing strawmen, not I. I said you were spinning Santorum’s defeat. Which you are.

    Deal with what I wrote, not what you want me to have written.

  139. FDB

    Not that it’s his, of course.

    Bummer, you’re right. I did make it up though, mid-sentence, and hubris precluded a googling. You won’t believe me, I won’t care – let’s get on with our lives.

    Gab – you set the bar for ‘poetic’ and ‘elegant’ very very low, don’t you. That was just a string of abusive cliches that don’t even cohere, and straightforwardly equates ‘masculine’ with ‘good’, and ‘feminine’ with ‘bad’.

    *dons Currency Lad mask*

    Why do you hate women Gab?

  140. Oh come on

    PS. I gave you an actual example of how you are spinning Santorum’s defeat, which – funnily enough – you didn’t touch. Gee, I wonder why.

  141. JamesK

    Kelly the Ryan plan gets the US down to 1.5% deficits quickly alevekl out and eventually surplus.

    Obama’s doesn’t and the deficits escalate to 6.5% in the medium term.

    Please spare us the drivel.

    I repeat there is no pro-growth quick way of converting 40% of government revenue spending deficits returning to surplus.

    Save us ur ridiculous ‘arguments’.

    They are meaningless.

    Obama deficits reach 6.6% of GDP in the mean term.

    The only way of paying off the debt is continuous and longterm growth and governmental fiscal restraint

  142. FDB

    So please explain how you can support a political party that wants to close free speech?

    I don’t.

    How are you on friendly terms with the lavatory pronto crowd when they support the curtailment of the right to publicly dissent?

    They don’t.

    Well, that was boring.

  143. Fast growth would also take care of the cyclical deficit.

    60 year cycle is it? The deficit is approaching 50% of revenue there is no time to pussy foot around. Cut and cut hard you need a butcher. The Romney or Ryan plans would take a few election cycles minimum of serious discipline and this won’t happen. It won’t happen but if Ron Paul was to be president I don’t think he would be isolationist but would be less aggressive and go to congress about all military action. Some things I can’t figure out about him though he voted against all FTAs based on ideology not pragmatism I am guessing, so I couldn’t see him being pragmatic.

  144. Gab

    Miaow, FDB. Put your claws away, hun. Speaking of which, how’s your puss?

  145. JC

    Well you do support the Greens party,,FDB. You said yourself that you voted for Madam ant because he’s your friend.

    They don’t.

    LOl

    So you voting liberal next time FDB? hahahahahahahahhaah

    Remember when you recently said that reason you come here is for the same reason people used to give for reading Playboy. They went there for the articles.

    I asked to to offer up 5 important things the thread owners have pushed. However I never saw you back here for a while after that.

  146. JC

    60 year cycle is it? The deficit is approaching 50% of revenue there is no time to pussy foot around. Cut and cut hard you need a butcher.

    It’s not 50% of revenues. It’s smaller than that.

  147. JC

    Oops

    I asked to to offer up 5 important things the thread owners have pushed you supported.

  148. “approaching” means going towards. I have heard the figure 40% presented by James just a few minutes ago. If you look at the exponetial growth in deficits from Bush to now 50% should be about 2 years off.

  149. FDB

    JC – I should have added a clause, before commencing this discussion, whereby it ought to not only be civil, but also involve saying things which contain information pertaining to the real world, and explaining what you mean with reference to real things, and so on.

    Leaving aside for the moment that voting for my local Greens member in 2010 need not entail approval of every Greens policy even at the time, let alone now, the fact is that “close free speech” as a phrase means next to nothing, and certainly bears no relation to Greens policy or the attitudes of the various LP posters.

    Y’know, I want to believe that you are capable of a real discussion – I’m sure I’ve even seen you do it somewhere once or twice – but this ain’t it buddy.

  150. FDB

    “Speaking of which, how’s your puss?”

    Cuter than a hatful of buttons, and curiously healthy despite the FIV thanks Gab.

    I’m glad you took my auto-misogyny jibe well, but seriously now – how is it that you square yourself with the idea around here of femininity as a term of abuse? I guess I understand, having copped the reverse at LP, that it’s not a deal-breaker, but I don’t think I ever let it pass without kicking up a stink.

  151. JC

    JC – I should have added a clause, before commencing this discussion, whereby it ought to not only be civil, but also involve saying things which contain information pertaining to the real world, and explaining what you mean with reference to real things, and so on.

    FDB, you voted slime and to make it worse you voted for the biggest commie this country has seen since the days of whitlam when he did his best to hide those loons in the cupboard.

    Leaving aside for the moment that voting for my local Greens member in 2010 need not entail approval of every Greens policy even at the time,

    Of course. Why I think that you voting for them meant you supported their policies. Of course that means you opposed them. Lol

    let alone now, the fact is that “close free speech” as a phrase means next to nothing, and certainly bears no relation to Greens policy or the attitudes of the various LP posters.

    Umm it does mean they want to reduce our right to speak out and it is the Greenslime policy. As far as the Lavatory set goes, I took the word of people that visited there. I personally couldn’t stomach the disgusting place.

    Stop playing these childish female teenager games, FDB. Fess up to what you believe and who you are supporting at the next election as of now.

  152. JC

    I’m glad you took my auto-misogyny jibe well, but seriously now – how is it that you square yourself with the idea around here of femininity as a term of abuse?

    Why would Gab think males thinking and behaving like feminized little panies would be a good thing? Take Steve from Brisbane for instance.

  153. Gab

    curiously healthy

    Great to hear.

    femininity as a term of abuse?

    Qué diablos estás hablando?

  154. FDB

    voting for them meant you supported their policies

    On balance, more so than the ALP and LNP, sure. Good God man – you can do better. It’s simple reading comprehension.

    they want to reduce our right to speak out

    Can you explain what you mean? As I understand it, it’s about not being allowed to repeatedly say false things in a public forum without issuing a correction when they are shown to be false.

    Personally, I don’t think the policy is a good idea. But then, I also don’t think it’s a good idea to repeatedly say false things in a public forum, so perhaps I don’t have as much skin in the game as *ahem* others might.

    Stop playing these childish female teenager games, FDB.

    Oh dear. Well, that was nice while it lasted.

    Fess up to what you believe and who you are supporting at the next election as of now.

    I’ll be supporting whoever, by the time of the next election, offers the policy platform with which I most broadly agree. Given the shortage of policy discussion permitted in the media, this will be hard to determine at the time, let alone now.

    From here, if I had to take a stab, Green though.

    What about you?

  155. Tal

    To the war room ladies……please

  156. DavidJ

    FDB, as that one persons bully is another persons assertiveness, being a bully is obviously a subjective interpretation. Through your eyes, how do you define bullying?

    And in the interests of your request for civility… I hope you are well.

  157. Tom

    I should have added a clause, before commencing this discussion …

    Standard Left tactic #1: attempt to claim ownership of the language and its definitions. #2: When you’re getting your arse kicked, deconstruct. You can see this pathetic sub-species working its craft any day on the Fairfax websites and The Drum (same thing).
    BTW, I love women, especially smart ones and those born with ovaries who don’t work in a revue in Oxford Street.

  158. Fisky

    Y’see, after a few years or so at LP and other left-wing sites, and with Evil Pundit and I corresponding via email to examine and dissect left-wing tactics, I had absorbed the attack sequence and online ‘mob attack’ tactics of the left. I actually listed them (I think EP did too).

    If you want the best form/content-based dissections of Leftism, check out Lawrence Auster. He’s most comprehensive.

  159. daddy dave

    but seriously now – how is it that you square yourself with the idea around here of femininity as a term of abuse?

    I usually steer clear of this topic, but I can help with this one.
    The short answer is that the insult (or disparagement if you like) only applies to men; femininity is celebrated in women.

    Now you can take that as simple sex-role stereotyping, but there’s a bit more to it. The meme in right-wing circles is that radical feminism is radically anti-male; that this entails a specific hatred of ‘masculinity’ rather than simply being biologically male; and that although radical feminism has only ever been a small extremist movement these attitudes have permeated into broader society where men have been de-masculinised. Thus, it’s variously a disparagement and a pep-talk and sometimes both at the same time.

    As talking points you can chew on the following:
    * in Germany, men aren’t allowed to pee standing up;
    * across the Western world boy-like behaviour is pathologised and medicated (I’m talking about ADHD and aspergers);
    * the education system being reoriented to be more favourable to girls; (Glenn Reynolds coined the phrase “the war on boys” to capture these last two)
    * family courts;
    etc.

    Hope this helps.

  160. FDB

    Gab – do you want dozens of examples, or more than there are on this thread?

    Cos I’m a lazy man, and you can just use your scroll-up button if the former.

  161. Gab

    First we had the redneck cat opening the freezer door.

    Now for some refinement from a higher order catemplation. Je suis un chat, donc je suis.

  162. Fisky

    From here, if I had to take a stab, Green though.

    What about you?

    Voting for parties that are in objective alliance with advocates of anti-semitic principles is a non-starter. So I won’t be voting Green.

  163. Gab

    FDB, stop nagging me like an old woman.

  164. wreckage

    Have the Greens given the ALP any grief over the ALP’s current and proposed anti-speech laws? Not so far as I can see. I’d call forming an ironclad coalition with the party that passes the laws the same as supporting the laws.

  165. JC

    From here, if I had to take a stab, Green though.

    I’m shocked.

    Can you explain what you mean? As I understand it, it’s about not being allowed to repeatedly say false things in a public forum without issuing a correction when they are shown to be false.

    You mean, like you want to make it illegal for a journalist to say something that you consider dishonest? That’s what it amounts to.

    You really have no fucking idea what Free Speech is all about, FDB.

    Well actually you do, but you prefer to act dishonestly about it.

  166. Fisky

    Nope. The Greens are all for cracking down on speech they don’t like. As am I actually. I believe that Leftist speech, being objectively far more damaging and ruinous than non-Leftist speech (you only have to look at the Leftist governments that Leftist speech inevitably produces to see this), should be heavily restricted for at least 10 years.

  167. wreckage

    Personally, I don’t think the policy is a good idea. But then, I also don’t think it’s a good idea to repeatedly say false things in a public forum

    Look, I hate it when people say things they know are wrong, or at least, that I think they should know are wrong, or, let’s be honest, things I believe are wrong. But speech that is free provided you can prove in court that it’s true is a fuuuuuuuuucking long way from free speech, isn’t it?

    so perhaps I don’t have as much skin in the game as *ahem* others might.

    That right there is tacit approval of the curtailment of free speech, and you’re plenty smart enough to see why. Stop being obtuse.

    Apart from that, it’s been a while, good to see you around here again.

  168. And here I thought Gab found me strangely alluring, JC.

    FDB’s commentary on the “bullying” issue is pretty accurate today.

  169. Fisky

    so perhaps I don’t have as much skin in the game as *ahem* others might.

    A change of government would quickly put paid to that. We can tweak the laws a little, and mine twitter day and night for court-fodder. There’s so much actionable Left-wing material we’ll practically be drowning in cases before long.

    After 10 years of that, I would change the constitution to enshrine free speech. But not before.

  170. wreckage

    Yeah, see, if harmful and false speech is illegal, then the Left are doomed.*

    *It’s cheating to tell you that my point is implicit, but it is. I’ll let you have the lightbulb moment for yourself, I’m just making it easier by telling you that it’s in there.

  171. Gab

    Stop your lying, SFB. I’m sick of it.

    Damn. I’ll have to hose the place down and disinfect it now.

  172. wreckage

    After 10 years of that, I the left would change the constitution to enshrine free speech.

    FIFY.

    It doesn’t take people long to forget what it’s like to be on the pointy end of the stick; about as long as it takes for them to seize the stick themselves and reverse it IMO.

  173. JC

    Apart from that, it’s been a while, good to see you around here again.

    I’m honestly curious. Why?

  174. FDB

    You mean, like you want to make it illegal for a journalist to say something that you consider dishonest? That’s what it amounts to.

    *patience running out*
    *calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean*

    No, as I very clearly said, I think it’s a bad policy.

    I’m not sure why it’s such a big Free Speech!!1! deal for you that people should be allowed to lie publicly. For me it’s just a poor idea to set up a new system for administering things that our current laws do a good enough job of handling.

    DD:

    Hope this helps.

    The topic you raise is an interesting one, and one I give a lot of thought to as a quite ‘masculine’ man on any objective measure (hairy, sporty, good with hands, killer-of-edible-things-even-if-cute, sweary, assertive in traffic, aggressive in argument, disdainful of bullies) and a lover of femininity in women.

    But no, it doesn’t help explain why somebody would use feminine attributes as terms of abuse when responding to blog comments about entirely un-gendered topics.

    Or perhaps I’m wrong, and I know I can at least count on you to at least try and explain how without abusing me.

  175. JC

    Seriously

    He’s appeared here accusing one and all of de bully, plays fucking word games and not wanting to answer a reasonable question, finally admits he’d vote for those vile slimers and is supposed to by male, single and owns a fucking cat.

    Why Wreckage?

    This constant yearning by some righties to have lefties over here amuses me.

    For what purpose?

  176. val majkus

    Is Barnaby mad???
    Baby Bonus

    I have never contacted Tony Abbott to push for a doubling of the Baby Bonus.

    With a strong on the ground experience of the problems that large lump sum social security payments can create, I don’t think I ever will support a policy that would exacerbate these issues.

    Before the last election gross debt was to peak at $220 billion but it is now forecast to peak in excess of $270 billion so unfortunately, like the nation, our aspirations are affected by Labor’s debt.

    The Nationals believe that the Baby Bonus should be made in interval payments over a longer term to avoid the social problems of lump sum payments being made that, in some instances, do not go toward the baby but go to alcohol or other items that are actually at odds to the welfare of the child.

    More information: Matthew Canavan 0458 709 433

    I wish I’d been in Australia at the time the Govt paid a bonus per baby born

  177. JC

    No, as I very clearly said, I think it’s a bad policy.

    Bad policy is spending money burning down 200 homes. Sticking in rules to curtail free speech is not just bad policy, you mental midget, it’s a direct attack on our rights. It’s a far different old growth tree, to use a vernacular you’re more familiar with.

    I’m not sure why it’s such a big Free Speech!!1! deal for you that people should be allowed to lie publicly.

    You never seemed to have a problem with the Lying Slapper lying or at least breaking her pledge. So why would you want to potentially throw journalists and blog owners in jail if your opinion is different? Why one standard for the lying slapper and another for non-lying slappers?

    For me it’s just a poor idea to set up a new system for administering things that our current laws do a good enough job of handling.

    It’s a little more than that you oaf.

  178. Hey Steve are you the Ferny Hills Steve as well as the Brisbane Steve?

  179. Is Barnaby mad???
    Baby Bonus

    If you have twins you can get quite a nice car.

  180. Mk50 of Brisbane

    f you want the best form/content-based dissections of Leftism, check out Lawrence Auster. He’s most comprehensive.

    Link?

  181. FDB

    I’ve tried and I can’t see it wreckage.

    What I meant was purely that certain people might care more than I do about this bad policy because they’re, y’know… liars.

    As far as ‘harmful’ speech goes, as I understand it the speech must be both false AND harmful. So simple bullshitting is fine, and so is saying something ‘harmful’ but true.

    Anyway, as I said, we have courts already well able to deal with these things and it’s a waste of time and money.

    If it gets enacted and turns out to be worse than a mere waste of time and money, I will stand corrected.

  182. Fisky

    I’m not sure why it’s such a big Free Speech!!1! deal for you that people should be allowed to lie publicly.

    Agreed. Gough Whitlam and many on the Left denied the Cambodian Holocaust while it was happening, and said racist things about Indochinese refugees. There is no statute of limitations on this, and I would lock Gough Whitlam up immediately for what he did. Utter scum, he was.

  183. daddy dave

    But no, it doesn’t help explain why somebody would use feminine attributes as terms of abuse when responding to blog comments about entirely un-gendered topics.

    I was too lazy to go back and find the specific comments that were being referenced, so if it doesn’t help, it may not be as relevant as I thought.

  184. FDB

    Covering yourself in glory today JC.

    Go on, call me more names. That’ll prove me wrong if anything will. Why change a winning formula?

  185. Tal

    Hi FBD how ya doing? Do you have a new lady in your life?

  186. JC

    As far as ‘harmful’ speech goes, as I understand it the speech must be both false AND harmful. So simple bullshitting is fine, and so is saying something ‘harmful’ but true.

    Yes, but you’re fine with “harmful” free speech from the Lying Slapper a few days away from an election and then promptly doing the opposite immediately after that stern undertaking. Gaining an election win under false pretenses isn’t harmful? You magnificent delusional fucking moron. FDB. Stick around as we need another punching bag. The other ones are worn out.

  187. Gab

    Go on, call me more names

    For goodness sake, FDB. First you wail and rale about abuse and now you’re asking for it.

    Is this the S&M version of FDB?

  188. JC

    Covering yourself in glory today JC.

    Not hard, really.

    Go on, call me more names.

    LOL

    That’ll prove me wrong if anything will. Why change a winning formula?

    ‘sactly.

  189. val majkus

    something else to blame Abbott for
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/greens-leader-christine-milne-blames-abbott-for-budget-surplus-imperative/story-fn59niix-1226326997717

    NEW Greens leader Christine Milne says Opposition Leader Tony Abbott is to blame for creating an environment where Labor feels it is locked into delivering a budget surplus in the May budget even though economic circumstances have changed.

    The Greens believe the Gillard government shouldn’t be rushing to bring the budget back to surplus if it means tough spending cuts and delaying reforms such as the introduction of a universal dental care scheme.

    “Everyone in Australia knows if the Prime Minister hadn’t come out and made an emphatic statement in 2009 saying the budget would return to surplus this year on the basis of Treasury modelling about the extent of the growth that was predicted we wouldn’t be in the position we are,” Senator Milne told Network Ten on Sunday.

    “But it’s actually Tony Abbott and the Ju-liar community who are responsible for this because it’s a political imperative.”

  190. val majkus

    has any other politician in Australian history ever been so powerful that he can be blamed for everything

  191. Tal

    Gab remember to put your high heels on before you punish your victims

  192. DavidJ

    Bullshit SOB.

    Both you and FDB are pansies hiding behind your outrageous outrage that any robust disagreement which does not support your flowery, childlike view of the world are bullies.

    The world is cruel and there are always going to be winners and losers. Even in your Utopian world of socialism.

    Besides it is only the internet, nobody physically took your lunch money or tackled you too hard. To claim you are being bullied on any blog demonstrates a character which is weak and pathetic.

  193. John Mc

    I’m not sure why it’s such a big Free Speech!!1! deal for you that people should be allowed to lie publicly.

    There are some libertarians who disagree mildly with the ‘absolute’ free speechers (i.e. you should be able to yell ‘fire’ in a crowded theatre). They’re happy to defend free speech with a caveat that, along with the current standards for defamation, you cannot knowingly mislead other people to their detriment. However the standards for proof of ‘knowingly’ should be extremely high.

  194. Tal

    Val,Penny Wong was yapping on about Howard this morning,it runs deep

  195. John Mc

    The world is cruel and there are always going to be winners and losers. Even in your Utopian world of socialism.

    Even more so. That’s where the least deserving (the bureaucrats, the power junkies, the manipulators) get the lion’s share.

  196. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Thanks Fisky!

  197. JC

    There are some libertarians who disagree mildly with the ‘absolute’ free speechers (i.e. you should be able to yell ‘fire’ in a crowded theatre). They’re happy to defend free speech with a caveat that, along with the current standards for defamation, you cannot knowingly mislead other people to their detriment. However the standards for proof of ‘knowingly’ should be extremely high.

    100% right.

  198. Woolfe

    If it gets enacted and turns out to be worse than a mere waste of time and money, I will stand corrected.

    No you wont as we will never know.

  199. val majkus

    Tal; I agree, it runs deep; do they need psychiatric help? Has it become obsessive and if so what does that mean?

  200. FDB

    You magnificent delusional fucking moron. FDB. Stick around as we need another punching bag. The other ones are worn out.

    Ok, so no deliberate attempts at bullying then.

    In real life, as on the internet, I make a point of calling bullies out, but only in real life do they then back down and slink off. Perhaps that’s what you guys all mean when you say there’s no such thing as bullying at Catallaxy? That you can get away with it here, when you wouldn’t dare do it “for real”?

    Tal – yes, and she’s simply lovely. Thanks for asking.

  201. daddy dave

    You should be able to yell “Fire” in a crowded theater.

    I bloody hate that example, as if it’s the pinnacle of immorality or something. Let’s put it on the table: The worst that can happen is that people will evacuate, which is exactly what will happen if there’s a fire anyway.

    If there’s a stampede, that’s not the “fire” yellers fault, that’s the fault of whoever put too many people into an enclosed space.

    At any rate, yelling “fire” in a crowded theatre is unlikely to have much effect at all. I’ve been in a theatre where there was a real fire, and the lack of panic was surprising.

  202. Tom

    “But it’s actually Tony Abbott and the Ju-liar community who are responsible for this (call for a budget surplus) because it’s a political imperative.”

    Milne is a serious idiot. The “Ju-liar community” is a majority of the Australian population.
    Early call: not one of the three Green senators facing re-election next year (Brown’s nominated replacment, Hanson-Young and Ludlum) will be returned; Greens national Senate vote <8% (-1% in the Reps). Thanks, Val.

  203. daddy dave

    FDB is right, in that there is such a thing as bullying online, and it does apply when pseudonyms are used. (pseudonyms don’t make people any less real).

    However JC is right (in his inimitable way), “bullying” isn’t a useful word. It’s vague, it’s loaded, it implies patterns of behaviour rather than actual instances. I suggest “Abuse” is a more useful descriptor as it has a clearer meaning and instances are less debatable.

  204. FDB

    There are some libertarians who disagree mildly with the ‘absolute’ free speechers (i.e. you should be able to yell ‘fire’ in a crowded theatre). They’re happy to defend free speech with a caveat that, along with the current standards for defamation, you cannot knowingly mislead other people to their detriment. However the standards for proof of ‘knowingly’ should be extremely high.

    There are also people who don’t identify as libertarians (if only because of all the retards who do) and agree with that. Although I personally think that the definitions of ‘mislead’ and ‘detriment’ are also wobbly and best worked out via case law.

  205. Oh, there we go with the pansification insult.

    FBD: there is no explanation necessary other than that it’s what teenage school boys do in the school yard. [Well, until they started to have sensitivity training, I suppose, and boys from private schools started asking if they could date each other at the prom instead of the girls from the private school across the road.]

    Anyway, since most males here who use it are probably age 35 and above, my point still stands.

    It’s simply that this blog attracts men who act like they never left the school yard. An all boys school yard, at that.

    But credit where its due (for once). I think JC did join yesterday in with the criticism that it was irrelevant to be talking about Browns sexual activities in order to criticise him as a politician. A point I had made earlier in the day.

    So congratulations to JC. Who will now ruin it somehow.

  206. FDB

    If there’s a stampede, that’s not the “fire” yellers fault, that’s the fault of whoever put too many people into an enclosed space.

    Oh, so you’re an OH&S type in deep cover?

    Let the market decide how many people can fit in an enclosed space!

  207. John Mc

    You should be able to yell “Fire” in a crowded theatre.

    Personally, I think it’s beyond question that people will use free speech knowingly to the detriment of others for purely malicious purposes at some stage. Furthermore, I’m sure some people will work out a way they cannot be prosecuted for doing it under other law.

    But I totally agree the cost of this is lower than putting unreasonable restrictions on free speech.

    As such, I’m perfectly happy to have people defending free speech to the level you are advocating, and I’ll support them rather than oppose them.

  208. wreckage

    JC; what? If there’s no-one to argue with, where’s my fun? And Les and probably SoB don’t count since they don’t argue.

    FDB, whoever has the power determines who’s right and what’s harmful. Up until recently the right was much, much better at seizing the morality stick to beat the left with. Assuming your side is going to have the Aura of Righteousness (TM) for very long is a mistake.

    As for “no such thing as bullying” I really don’t think that the medium allows what I would normally call bullying, since bullying usually entails a power relationship, and all JC is to you is text on a screen. To an adolescent that can still be deadly, but JC can’t force you to read his posts or reply to them and unless you’re under about 20 you really shouldn’t feel it too badly.

    I may well be wrong, but that’s the theory.

  209. val majkus

    copy of an e mail I received today:

    Nolan’s Transport
    For those of you who do not know, the Gatton District is located some 100k
    west of Brisbane, Nolan’s Transport is one of the biggest employers in the
    area, and only last year was given the “Business of the Year” award.
    Now read on!
    Julia Gillard’s Labor Party and the Greens are going to take us all down
    with this Carbon (DIOXIDE) (PLANT FOOD) Tax. We, as Australians, should protest and protest until
    we cannot protest any more! This is a real scenario, brought on by Gillard.
    Nolan’s Transport, which operates out of Gatton, has been earmarked as one
    of Gillard’s 500. This Company has been going for 102 years, is still run
    by the family, operates 126 transports and employs 265 people. Gillard has
    targeted this Company as one of her 500 ‘guests’ to pay carbon tax. Just
    imagine. Last year, this Company was told it put out 144,700 tonnes of
    carbon gas. So, 144,700 tonnes x $23 = $3,328,100.00. Yes, that is correct –
    3.3 million dollars!!!
    Where is Australia headed if companies like this one, (and there are several
    much bigger than Nolan’s – LinFox comes to mind) are put out of business?
    Our Prime Minister said there would be no extra charges on transport or fuel
    What do you call 3.3 million dollars on just one operator?
    Any transport Company producing less than 25,000 tonnes of carbon tax pays
    nothing. If Nolan’s goes broke or shuts down operations and another 126
    replacement transports are put on the road by smaller Companies under the 25
    000 tonne limit to take up the slack, then exactly the same amount of carbon
    gas will be produced, illustrating the futility of the whole exercise.
    Mr. Nolan said in an interview that if he put what the Company was worth
    into a bank account, he would make ten times as much in interest as he makes
    now, throwing 265 people out of work. We must, as citizens on Australia and
    tax payers – not to mention consumers of goods – somehow force Gillard and
    her Green and “Independent“ cronies to an election on the issue of Carbon
    Tax before July this year to keep this Nation going. If we don’t, this
    country will be ruined!
    This is just one scenario. What about the other 499 companies that will also
    be hit by this ridiculous tax?
    Additionally, we must not forget the other smaller companies which will fail
    because they depend on these larger companies which are doomed to either
    fold or cut back on their work-force.

    are the 500 listed anywhere?

  210. FDB

    DD – I disagree. I’m actually referring to patterns, not instances.

    Also, I like the schoolyard connotations. As Steve says, they’re quite apropos.

    Although not confined to all-boy’s schools, nor to co-ed. It’s a regrettably universal human trait to engage in bullying.

    Sometimes the jokes are worth it, but rarely.

  211. FDB

    JC can’t force you to read his posts or reply to them and unless you’re under about 20 you really shouldn’t feel it too badly

    Look, you’ve shown up late so no biggie, but that’s what I’ve been saying all along.

    For me, his and others’ attempts at bullying are laughable, and one of the reasons I come here is to laugh at them.

  212. Val, if you drop over to the Nolans website, they note that the email is a fake. Even if they don’t support the carbon tax.

  213. wreckage

    FDB, I apologise for the lack of commas.

  214. John Mc

    val m, it’s amazing. When we think of individuals using their private motor vehicles, I calculate that roughly 60c out of every dollar they spend on petrol goes to the government (including fuel excise, GST and income tax). Yet in the market for transport, private motor vehicles still rate at over 95% of all trips.

    Of the 39c of fuel excise a recent study put 9c going back to transport infrastructure.

    Clearly the demand for private transport is largely inelastic and the large taxes are at point where they must be hurting people more than they are doing good.

    I imagine businesses must be same. How many will the carbon tax destroy?

  215. How does Avalon in Melbourne go? When I was there in the early 90s Avalon was in the middle of nowhere.

    It goes crap. You need to take a cut lunch if you’re heading there from my place (Bogan Central North), whereas it takes 45min to get to Tulla.

  216. candy

    it seems Ms Milne is a very strong minded lady, who totally believes in her Green stuff, no questions asked.

    She talks tough too. I kinda admire her for that. She’s a bit of a match for Mr Abbott, sort of interesting really.

  217. Mk50 of Brisbane

    What the left describes as ‘bullying’ is a behaviour perfectly acceptable to them – when they do it to someone else.

    It’s a way of trying to gain an edge by trying to hold an interlocutor to a higher standard that they hold themselves to.

    Bog-standard lefty tactic.

  218. John Mc

    She will lead the Greens in the way that Stott-Destroyer led the Democrats. With the same outcome.

  219. candy

    “She will lead the Greens in the way that Stott-Destroyer led the Democrats. With the same outcome.”

    quite possibly, but i admire people who truly believe in their cause with some passion, (like Mr Abbott) and she stands out (so far).

  220. daddy dave

    Oh, so you’re an OH&S type in deep cover?

    Let the market decide how many people can fit in an enclosed space!

    smart-arse. :-)

    Fire regulations are good regulations, so on that score I guess I am an OH&S type.

    I suggest you (or anyone) run an experiment and go to theatres, nightclubs, cinemas, etc, yell “Fire” and see what happens. I’ll tell you right now what will happen: nothing will happen, other than you getting escorted off the premises.

  221. JamesK

    If I may be so bold Candy: Not ur best sh1t-stirring effort.

  222. Gab

    So let me get this right. Milne, the superbrain of the Greens, sez it’s all Abbott’s fault that Gillard is insisting they will deliver a surplus?

    What moronic logic is that?

    Who’s :idea: was it to go the surplus?
    Gillard.

    Why did they decide a surplus was a great idea?
    Because they are economic and fiscal dummies.

    And now that they realise they’re not going to deliver a surplus – for longer than one day – they need to blame someone for their stupidity.

    In comes the useful idiot Milne.

    Oh and when are they going to realise Australia’s credit card is going to reach the limit in about a month?

  223. Gab

    but i admire people who truly believe in their cause with some passion,

    Hitler? Mao? Hussein?

  224. Rabz

    The goose and the laybore pardee have two chances of delivering a surplus in 2012-13, Yabbott or no Yabbott.

    Buckley’s and none.

  225. DavidJ

    I forgot FDB, you are a tough guy when you are in a fish and chip shop, in a country town, witnessing racism by a local, who is shirtless and covered in tattoos. You loudly confront this dirtbag and he slinks away. You are the ballsy unsung hero. Awesome.

    Some would ask if a “for real” tough guy would be bragging about this heroic act on an internet blog, whilst covered in a cloak on anonymity?

    Personally, I say you are just one modest dude.

  226. candy

    “If I may be so bold Candy: Not ur best sh1t-stirring effort.”

    you are bold and charming, JamesK, be happy.

  227. Rabz

    … that’s what I’ve been saying all along.

    effs, you started this entire meme about bullying BTW, condemning it and yet then claiming that it didn’t affect you, no siree.

    Conflicted, we much?

  228. Jumpnmcar

    Hey FDB,it’s jumpy.
    I’m doing a beer batter for some strips of chicken breast( deep fry),what herbal condiments would you suggest?

    (this is not a smart arse question)

  229. candy

    ” Hitler? Mao? Hussein? ”
    i’m a simple soul who knows nothing of history, Gab, xxx

  230. val majkus

    Thanks Steve, I’ve sent an e mail back to the person from whom I received it

    But are the 500 biggest pollooters listed somewhere?

  231. Andreas

    As I understand it, it’s about not being allowed to repeatedly say false things in a public forum without issuing a correction when they are shown to be false.

    I’m not sure why it’s such a big Free Speech!!1! deal for you that people should be allowed to lie publicly.

    You make it sound so simple, like the truth is something one can conveniently dial up when needed, or that’s carved in stone somewhere. In the real world what is false and what isn’t can be highly contentious – finding the truth can itself require robust discussion. An obvious example would be establishing what is true when it comes to the temperature record of the last 100/1,000/etc years, say.

    Preventing the publishing of ‘falsehoods’ sounds nice on paper but its effect will be that truth that has survived the crucible of debate and discussion will increasingly be exchanged for officially accepted ‘facts’.

  232. Gab

    Rubbish, Candy. Your acting dumb (at least i assume you are acting) is no defense for a silly vacuous statement.

    You give females a bad name.

    Hugs and kisses.

  233. FDB

    FDB, I apologise for the lack of commas.

    If you’re making a some oblique reference here I don’t get it. If you’re just mocking my overuse of commas then fair enough. I overuse them.

    Except in that last para where I consciously avoided two. And this one where I conscously avoided another two.

    I genuinely thank you for the reminder about this, my biggest gramatical failing. [I'm standing by that last one]

  234. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Milne.

    Is there anyone who thinks this pursed-lipped hectoring greentard wowser is capable of anything useful?

    Her performance on the box today after Bolt indicated she has zero grip on reality and a the sort of worldview normally found in a fever dream.

    As near as i could make out, her ‘economic policy’ consists of ‘completely stop all mining, manufacturing, agriculture and energy industry activity via taxing them to death and then new green industries will magically appear to replace them.’

    All while maintaining a madeyed unblinking stare at the camera and speaking in the hectoring tone of a drug-addled schoolmarm.

    She’s a freaking fruitloop.

  235. Gab

    I overuse them.

    Comma bully.

  236. JC

    Candy

    please stop trolling.

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