Midweek Forum: April 16, 2012

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  1. Oh come on

    (that wasn’t directed at you, candy. It was for the imbecile posting directly above you)

  2. Myrrdin Seren

    A Sri Lankan woman has been arrested on suspicion of casting a spell on a 13-year-old girl on a shopping trip in Saudi Arabia.

    The daily Okaz reported that a Saudi man had complained his daughter had ‘suddenly started acting in an abnormal way and that happened after she came close to the Sri Lankan woman’ in a large shopping mall in the port city of Jeddah.

    Saudi Arabia, a U.S. ally, is an absolute monarchy that has no written criminal code and where court rulings are based on judges’ interpretation of Islamic Sharia law.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2131967/Woman-faces-death-penalty-witchcraft-accused-casting-spell-shopper-13.html#ixzz1sXzpBodf

    Arabia – where every day is Let’s Remember the Seventh Century Day – with Mercs and Chevys to commute in though.

  3. Samson Agonistes

    There’s an imbecile posting above you, as well.

  4. Samson Agonistes

    … and its you again.

  5. Infidel Tiger

    Arabia – where every day is Let’s Remember the Seventh Century Day – with Mercs and Chevys to commute in though.

    Never mind the beheadings, try the sheep’s eye soup.

  6. daddy dave

    Bolt seems very interested in the Brevik trial and at the same time, a bit all over the place.
    Maybe he was shocked and confused by the fact that Brevik nominated people as inspirations who Bolt himself admires, and he’s still sorting out his thoughts on the whole thing.

  7. Winston SMITH

    Myrrdin, I picked Winston Smith from my younger days when I felt that eventually the State would be my downfall in some fashion.
    Looking at the rationing of specialist healthcare and surgical procedures, I wasn’t far from the mark.

    Didn’t think you were having a go, but I’ve got a hide like a crocodile anyway.

  8. Token

    There are days when I wonder if the reporters at The Australian are really are as useless as those from FauxFacts:

    OLDER Australians will not be forced into a fire sale of the family home to pay for aged care places, under sweeping reforms which encourage them to stay at home for longer.

    The federal government announced a $3.7 billion package of measures in which the number of in-home packages will nearly double, a tighter means tests will be applied and care costs will be capped.

    FFS. Fire sale? Where?

    We have a property market which the “experts” keep calling a bubble. The oldies should be popping the champaign corks they have to sell in such a market.

  9. Winston SMITH

    IT, go to the Clock Tower Square in Riyadh after Friday prayers. Wonderful entertainment for those who like that sort of stuff, like my room mate did.

  10. twostix

    The state makes laws for the land from time to time and if a law is passed it will come above all social or religious considerations.

    In a democracy the state makes laws and governs in response to the demands and attitudes of the dominant cultural group. In Australia’s case the dominant cultural group is of European descent.

    Do you think if you magically teleported 20 million Saudi’s here tomorrow that the next election wouldn’t see Islamic parties immediately dominate parliament and begin making laws and appointing people inline with their cultural beliefs?

    For advocates of “multiculturalism” to be even slightly non-schizophrenic they would demand that Saudi’s should come here and support them in maintaining their cultural attitudes.

    But they don’t. Multiculturalists are the ultimate nationalists. They like the little exotic cultures to come here and improve their lives with “strange food and strange clothes” so they can play tourist like some old white blimp touring the empire, but then they xenophobically demand that the minor cultures reject their cultural beliefs in favour of the dominant cultures liberal white European political and cultural beliefs (female rights, gay rights, accepting, democratic thought, liberalism, rule of law, no family justice, etc).

  11. daddy dave

    Thanks Rabz. Interesting that the manifesto’s a cut-and-paste job, which Steyn hints is a clue that it’s bullshit. He made a manifesto because he thought he needed one, because it’s the done thing. What a tool.

  12. Token

    Conroy on track to continue holding the the Australia Dummy Spitting record.

    Tanty continues into its 5th year

    COMMUNICATIONS Minister Stephen Conroy has attacked Telstra over its praise for the Coalition’s broadband model, saying the telco has been “holding Australia back” for years.
    Senator Conroy said Telstra chief executive David Thodey’s declaration ysterday that the Coalition’s National Broadband Network model would be cheaper and faster to roll out than the government’s $36 billion design was “no surprise”.

    He said it reinforced why Labor moved to structurally separate the telecommunications giant’s wholesale and retail arms.

  13. Samson Agonistes

    Steyn helped propagate the Eurabian ‘Protocols of the Elders of Islam’ for the takeover of Europe nonsense that so enamoured Breivik.

  14. Rabz

    OLDER Australians will not be forced into a fire sale of the family home to pay for aged care places…

    It’s a miracle! Hooray!

    juliar has spared the old folks!

    Why do I celebrate so?

    Old people don’t vote laybore.”

  15. Gab

    Sure it was Conroy attacked Telstra, not Turnbull? Oh well, only a matter if time.

  16. .

    Bob Eillis sez:

    “Steyn did something fictional, j’accuse!”

  17. Token

    Do you think if you magically teleported 20 million Saudi’s here tomorrow that the next election wouldn’t see Islamic parties immediately dominate parliament and begin making laws and appointing people inline with their cultural beliefs?

    Who needs to imagine? Just look at what George Galloway is saying to keep his seat in Bradford.

    You would think he is trying to appease a bunch of fools wearing wife-beaters with those queer hanky things on their heads.

  18. Rabz

    Dave,

    Steyn made another inconvenient point about that idiot’s ‘shamifesto’. naomi klein is namechecked in it the same number of times of as Steyn.

  19. twostix

    OLDER Australians will not be forced into a fire sale of the family home to pay for aged care places, under sweeping reforms which encourage them to stay at home for longer.

    Umm so their solution is to not give them anymore aged care places at all, just make them stay in their big unmanageable houses longer?

    The elderly sell their homes when they (or their children) have to in order to buy into aged care homes – when they can no longer stay at home.

    How does forcing someone to stay at home longer change that situation at all for the better??

    Fuck the media in this country are as dumb as a brick.

  20. Fisky

    IT, MS, I don’t suppose those who think that multiculturalism is a really good idea with lots of benefits would like to put it up for a referendum, would they?

    You could, but only a minimalist definition would work and everyone knows that there is no agreement over the actual content of the word. What the Left really want is a ban on free speech, subsidies for second and third wives, government control over private hiring decisions and hate clerics being free to call for the extermination of Jews. That is what they actually want by way of “multiculturalism”, with the British Labour Party being the vanguard.

  21. Gab

    But bricks are useful.

    That the union for aged-care workers support this attack on aging baby-boomers as Gillard calls them, that the Greens support her, is cause for alarm.

  22. Rabz

    What the Left really want is a ban on free speech, subsidies for second and third wives, government control over private hiring decisions and hate clerics being free to call for the extermination of Jews.

    Leavened with the odd cliterectomy.

  23. Samson Agonistes

    Western countries are multi-ethnic, get over it.

    If you don’t believe in the idea of toleration, just admit it.

    …because that’s all multiculturalism is.

  24. Samson Agonistes

    Middle aged men have discovered the clitoris, good news week!

  25. Gab

    YOU can buy Fat Bastard wine in Alabama, but you’ll have to go elsewhere for Dirty Bastard beer.

    The state alcoholic beverage control agency said today it had banned the sale of that brand of beer in the southern US state because of the profanity on its label.

    Maybe they just don’t like beer?

  26. twostix

    Labor attacks Paul Keatings Superannuation Vision:

    SUPERANNUATION tax breaks will be put to the knife as Labor searches for billions of dollars in budget savings, despite fears of a political backlash if it cuts too hard.

    Notice they’ll never cut spending, only raise taxes.

    Look at the language of the supposedly “conservative” leaning Australian:

    billions of dollars in budget savings

    How is raising taxes a “budget saving”?

    The federal government intends to scale back the mammoth tax concessions next month

    The targets include high-income earners who pay only 15 per cent tax on their super contributions, far below the 45 per cent rate they would pay on the income if they chose not to pour thousands of dollars into their super.

    The concession is estimated to deprive Canberra of about $15.5bn in annual tax revenue, leading Treasury to put forward ways to scale back the incentive at the top of the pay scale.

    Good going The Australian.

    What this government needs is more money.

  27. Infidel Tiger

    The state alcoholic beverage control agency

    Did you say Alabama or Saudi Arabia?

  28. twostix

    Western countries are multi-ethnic, get over it.

    We’re talking about cultures not ethnicities you old racist pig.

  29. Gab

    In Allahbama, it’s clear “dirty” is a dirty word.

  30. Viva

    Western countries are multi-ethnic

    Problem is this transformation has taken place at an unsustainable rate without the consent of the indigenous population.

    If you don’t believe in the idea of toleration, just admit it.

    …because that’s all multiculturalism is.

    Not so. Multiculturalism as it exists in Europe is the result of the above failed policy. Eroded social cohesion, balkanisation, enforced toleration via limits to free speech is the reality of it.

  31. Token

    Yes, those people that state that polygamy is making a come back are just beating up the issue…

    The increasingly prominent profile of Islamic polygamy in the West has inspired a range of accommodations. Several governments now recognize plural marriages contracted lawfully in immigrants’ countries of origin. In the United Kingdom, these polygamous men are eligible to receive extra welfare benefits — an arrangement that some government ministers hope to kill — and a Scottish court once permitted a Muslim who had been cited for speeding to retain his driver’s license because he had to commute between his wives.

  32. C.L.

    Good points re Greg Ham and ‘plagiarism’ over at Blair’s, including this by blogstrop:

    You might not want to comment on the court case, but let’s just say this: what sounds like a coincidental, purely by chance small phrase of a very old song, (one that Aussie schoolkids learn and I’m please to say derive part of their national identity from) – not a copy of the whole melody – in a guy’s solo is no grounds for sharing the loot from another song that is unique in character. The song stands with or without that solo. It was a decorative and nice addition to what was already a great song.

    Opportunism, not a good ol’ folk singin’ traditional Aussie fair go, was takin’ it to the courts. If a musician’s name is tainted by that episode, it is not a member of Men At Work.

    Jazz musicians often quote from other melodies during their solos. It’s a form of free speech.

  33. C.L.

    Responding to news that dog-eating communist galoot, Barack Obama, will yet again avoid preparing a budget, Senator Jeff Sessions says Americans should no longer send a single dime of taxes to Washington:

    “Americans Shouldn’t Send Another Dime to This Place” (Video).

  34. JamesK

    Angela Merkel:

    This multicultural approach, saying that we simply live side by side and live happily with each other has failed. Utterly failed.

    David Cameron:

    In the UK, some young men find it hard to identify with the traditional Islam practised at home by their parents whose customs can seem staid when transplanted to modern Western countries.

    But they also find it hard to identify with Britain too, because we have allowed the weakening of our collective identity.

    Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream.

    We have failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong.

    We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values.

    Nicolas Sarkozy:

    It’s a failure. The truth is that in all our democracies, we’ve been too concerned about the identity of the new arrivals and not enough about the identity of the country receiving them.

  35. Our Embassies should be accepting the Copts, Christians and other oppressed minorities from the ME.

    Winston the confused anti muliticulturalist, wanting to make Australia more multicultural.

    Winston you are confusing multiculturalism with immigration policy at the very minimum.

  36. This multicultural approach, saying that we simply live side by side and live happily with each other has failed.

    Angela Merkel is wrong that is not the failure the failure is to give into pressure groups and not enforce laws equally.

    David Cameron’s and Nicolas Sarkozy’s comments are spot on.

  37. twostix

    Winston you are confusing multiculturalism with immigration policy at the very minimum.

    You seem confused on the point full stop.

    You say we should let in people from cultures where people eat dogs, but then you would tell them they are not allowed to eat dogs if they live here.

    That’s not “multiculturalism” that’s cultural imperialism.

    Get it? You’re furiously agreeing with the “anti multiculturalists”.

    Also you never answered Kelly, you stated:

    Yes it is, supporting ruthless dictators with arms can’t be justified.

    And I asked:

    You were against the Soviet alliance in WWII then?

    Start backpedalling.

  38. twostix

    Angela Merkel is wrong that is not the failure the failure is to give into pressure groups and not enforce laws equally.

    Whose laws Kelly? The German laws as defined by the Germanic people in accordance with their cultural beliefs for the last x hundred years?

    Why would you support the German culture in telling an Iranian Muslim man that he can’t arrange a marriage for his daughter – a practice that is a fundamental part of their culture?

    You’re not talking about multiculturalism, you’re talking about multi-racialism. The two things have nothing to do with each other.

    You’re also arguing vigorously for a melting-pot.

    Your arguments are extreme and right wing.

  39. Winston SMITH

    I would regard the importation of Christians from a different culture as the best of both worlds, Kelly.
    They would fit in, and they are different.

    Be that as it may, I believe we should be pulling the drawbridge up and leaving it there untill our society assimilates the current lot. Mind you, I also regard the Islamic culture as incapable of assimilation and would expel the lot.

    PS did you get the message on how to turn on spellcheck in Firefox?

  40. Winston SMITH

    Twostix, I hope it’s not right wing – we don’t want him (Kelly) over here contaminating us.

  41. twostix

    Twostix, I hope it’s not right wing – we don’t want him (Kelly) over here contaminating us.

    Winston he’s arguing for a melting pot- the very anti-thesis of multiculturalism and an argument that is regarded as extreme by the left and political class.

    He just has no idea what multiculturalism is. Thanks to the left purposely conflating the two most people equate multi-racialism with multiculturalism so we have people like Kelly arguing for his version of “multiculturalism” (aka a multi-racial melting pot) by arguing against multiculturalism as defined by the left while thinking that he’s actually arguing for it.

    It’s utterly insane.

  42. Winston Smith

    Total Commonwealth Government Securities
    on Issue – $228,426m consisting of:
    Treasury Bonds – $195,988m
    Treasury Indexed Bonds – $15,819m
    Treasury Notes – $16,600m
    Other Securities – $19m
    As at 20 April 2012
    Updated weekly, face value amounts rounded to the nearest million. Securities on issue subject to the limit under the Commonwealth Inscribed Stock Act 1911 total $223,839 million.

    This is down $11 Billion on the previous week. Are we watching Swan play rubbery figures?

  43. PS did you get the message on how to turn on spellcheck in Firefox?

    Winston
    I did but I am lazy to do it.

    I dissagree about the muslim situation and most are “assimilated”, if you are from Sydney or Melbourne you might dissagree because there are some real problems there. I am partial to your idea about putting up the drawbridge to some extent. With any people we accept as refugees they should be told where to live (any areas of labour shortages basically) and never recieve citizenship immeadiately.

    2stix

    I gave my definition of what multiculturalism entails and if any part conflicts with local laws then it essentially must be abandoned just as people who support the death penalty can’t go and kill someone because it is their belief. If the definition of multiculturalism means a free for all and anyone can do anything according to belief of course that is not acceptable. So a standard definition of what multiculturalism is has to be worked out first. What it means to me seems to be different to what it might mean to you.

  44. Winston Smith

    I’m glad someone understands it, twostix. I gave up trying to understand anything the Left does when I realised they were all suffering from a collective Personality Disorder.

  45. Will Kane

    Good news!

    This should get Australia onto the right track, and lift our standing in the eyes of the world.

    We might even become a preferred immigration destination! /sarc>

    Anti racism campaign will target middle Australia.

    MIDDLE-CLASS people — rather than extremists who will never change their views — need to be the main target of a new national anti-racism campaign.

    Race Discrimination Commissioner Helen Szoke and the Australian Human Rights Commission have been charged with developing and implementing a comprehensive anti-racism strategy for Australia.

    Dr Szoke said while tougher penalties for racism should be considered, there were very specific institutional settings where racism was flourishing, including workplaces.

    Because ThoughtCrime is so much worse than actual crime.

  46. Gab

    Skoze is as extremist as they come for the bash whitey anti-racism cause – or should that be rabid? Watch out! There are racists under your bed!
    How did Viva frame it? Oh yes:

    enforced toleration via limits to free speech is the reality of it.

  47. Winston Smith

    Kelly, it’s seven mouse clicks FFS. And the outcome is that you don’t have mistakes like ‘recieve’ and ‘immeadiately’

    “There is no shame in being ignorant, the shame lies in remaining so.”

  48. Will Kane

    Skoze won’t do anything about the drunken, blood-soaked indigenous young man, with an arterial bleed from a head wound, who told me I had my job only because I am a redneck, called me a “white c****” and tried to assault me in the back of the ambulance a couple of nights ago.

    But if I openly replied in like manner, I could lose my job.

  49. Winston
    It was already ticked so looks like for whatever reason it doesn’t work. Just put up with my spelling it is not that difficult.

  50. Gab

    Openly reply? Heaven forfend, let alone openly defend yourself against physical attack.

    Add to the list being called a “filthy whore” while trying to administer aid to some other person of a different culture.And don’t you dare speak back! Great job for female ambos too.

  51. twostix

    So a standard definition of what multiculturalism is has to be worked out first. What it means to me seems to be different to what it might mean to you.

    Kelly you don’t just get to make up your own definitions to defined words and political thought.

    Multiculturalism as defined by the left and political class is the belief that all cultures are equal, that no culture is better than any other culture and that no culture can tell another culture not to do X.

    Except in practice we see what an absolute lie that is when, for example, Muslim fathers try to arrange marriages for their daughters, or Asians try to eat cats and dogs. Australia’s dominant culture immediately demands that the minor cultures defer to their cultural beliefs that these things are wrong. The left then free ride on the back of their cultural dominance which outlaws the cultural practices that they don’t like and uses the state to force the minor cultures to comply.

    Then they walk around piously stating that we live in a “multicultural” country, which just happens to be absent 99% of the cultural mores of foreign cultures as they are illegal due to being abhorrent to the dominant white European derived Australian culture. Except, that is, some “strange food and different clothes” which are “acceptable” to the left.

    That is the farce.

  52. Myrrdin Seren

    Oooo

    Firefox spell-checker finally works !

    Thanks for the tip Winston. I’ll repeat the process at home and hopefully embarrassing spelling be minimised in future.

  53. Will Kane

    Gab, no way was I going to grapple with a young bloke in the prime of life, especially confined in an ambulance. Plus he was covered in blood.

    I did a strategic withdrawal out the door!

  54. twostix

    But she said changing the views of extreme racists was the hardest task.

    “You’re not going to impact on very extreme views that may be racially based, but middle Australia often doesn’t understand when something is a racist act or a racist comment or a racist activity.”

    Us stoopid middle Australians, aren’t we so lucky we’ve got these benevolent government operatives who are willing to “educate” us.

    Dr Szoke said some people wanted to see “some sort of penalty system” for racist behaviour.

    And punish us when we think and say the wrong thing.

  55. Gab

    Dr Szoke said some people wanted to see “some sort of penalty system” for racist behaviour.

    “Some people”, a few now dictate what we are to think and say. Me thinks “some people” have the surname Skoze.

  56. Will Kane

    Us stoopid middle Australians, aren’t we so lucky we’ve got these benevolent government operatives who are willing to “educate” us.

    And we get to pay for our own “education” to.

  57. Samson Agonistes

    This is not a definition of multiculturalism either by the left or by any other authority. This is a rather poor definition of cultural relativism:

    Multiculturalism as defined by the left and political class is the belief that all cultures are equal, that no culture is better than any other culture and that no culture can tell another culture not to do X.

  58. Gab

    “some sort of penalty system” for racist behaviour.

    These days it is considered racist to fly the Australian flag on your car on Australia Day.

    Wonder what the penalty will be?

  59. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Wrong in so many ways.

    But it’s Pickering.

  60. dover_beach

    Interesting, so no culture can tell another culture to end the practice of sati, for instance, even in our wide brown land.

  61. Samson Agonistes

    Multiculturalism is predicated on the idea that:

    - the pre-eminent values are those enshrined in the notions of democracy, rule of law, toleration, etc., that constitutionally define us.

    - different cultural values values and expressions, not incompatible with the above, should be supported without discrimination.

    There is no cultural relativism about this definition.

  62. Kelly you don’t just get to make up your own definitions to defined words and political thought.

    Yes I do as does everybody that is why you need official definitions so everyone knows what they are talking about.

    The definition that you gave suggesting the left uses. Who is the left anyway? The far left and far right never subscribe to any cultural differences. But be that as it may this definition that you have given is nothing like my definition and I suspect FDB uses something like my definition anyway and he is a self confessed leftie. You can’t go putting words into lefties mouths. Brandishing the word multicultural and using it in 100 different contexts will get no one anywhere. We seem to agree anyway.

  63. Will Kane

    “supported” in what way, Sam?

  64. SA Another leftie has just given a definition although probably better put, almost the same as my definition.

    2 stix could it be possible you are not culturally sensitive to the left and want to put words in their mouth?

  65. Peter Patton

    Red-stilleto and dress wearer, Vatican-based Pagan pontifex maximus, tells American kinky and lezzie nuns how to be women! Lezzie and kinky nuns tell poxy Pope to pop off!

    The assessment of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious comes from the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. It says the group of sisters promoted — quote — “radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith.” It concluded that the sisters had contradicted church teaching on homosexuality and on male-only priesthood in public statements that — quote — “disagree with or challenge the bishops, who are the church’s authentic teachers of faith and morals.”

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/religion/jan-june12/vatican_04-19.html

  66. Mk50 of Brisbane

    This is quite correct as practised in the real world because it is based on the thoroughly evil concept of cultural relativism:

    Multiculturalism as defined by the left and political class is the belief that all cultures are equal, that no culture is better than any other culture and that no culture can tell another culture not to do X.

    Australia is a multi-racial society and we are very good at turning foreigners in to Australians.

    Cultural relativism was an attack on this idea dating from the bong-addled idiots of the hippy era who thought that everyone in the world was just like them – a view based on their ghastly ignorance. Just see Sturmabteilung’s monkeyscreeches to prove that point. it’s evil because it places no weighting on human rights. it’s wrong because each immigrant makes a conscious choice that Australian culture is superior to his own native one. That’s the very reason WHY he decides to emigrate.

    Ours is a very admirable immigrant culture, you move here and you become an Australian. Ours is a culture far, far superior to the culture of any European state. SO are the cultures of New Zealand, Canada and the USA.

    We have the British Empire to thank for that, and our own efforts within it.

    Cultural relativism is the left’s effort to attack our own admirable and superior culture.

    It’s a reflection of the innate racism of the left and of their marginalistion in such a successful culture. Without ‘welfare sub classes’ or cultural out-groups, they have very little way of gaining the power they crave..

  67. Peter Patton

    Australia is a multi-racial society and we are very good at turning foreigners in to Australians.

    Indeed. For example, witness the civilising of Sunni Arab, Wally Ally, at Melbourne Uniting Church GPS school, Wesley College!

  68. twostix

    This is not a definition of multiculturalism either by the left or by any other authority. This is a rather poor definition of cultural relativism:

    God you’re a liar, it’s the absolute foundation of multiculturalism and is used as a weapon when people ask why immigrants aren’t encouraged to assimilate with the successful, liberal European culture rather than be encouraged to live apart.

    Do you support the various Asian culture’s in their right to eat dogs, or the prevalent Middle Eastern culture of arranged marriage you racist pig?

    No, of course not, that’s because you’re a white imperialist blimp who only wants the “good bits” of of foreign cultures and will use your cultural dominance to ban the massive parts you don’t like. Strangely the “good bit” that is touted is always, always is their (Europeanised) food and absolutely nothing else:

    Large families? Evil.
    Strange ingredients in their diets? Ban.
    Dis-interest in animal rights? Evil.
    Racism? Evil.
    Classism? Evil.
    Family revenge based justice? Evil.
    Corruption? Evil unless they’re Labor supporters.
    Sexism? Evil unless they vote Labor
    Arranged Marriages? Against.
    Nepotism? Against.
    Partriacalism? Evil.
    Religion in governance? Evil.
    Humus and Curry? Oh yes!

    But by god you’re a “multiculturalist”**


    **multiculturalism is strictly limited to acceptance of food (within reason) and some clothing, other parts of the culture need not apply.

  69. Samson Agonistes

    Eating dogs comes under cruelty to animals and it is not tolerated under Australian law.

    Arranged marriage is not compatible with a voluntary union under Australian law.

    Hence, neither are justifiable by reference to multiculturalism.

  70. Samson Agonistes

    As good an example of chauvinism that you could wish to find; and one that is completely incompatible with democratic values:

    Ours is a very admirable immigrant culture, you move here and you become an Australian. Ours is a culture far, far superior to the culture of any European state. SO are the cultures of New Zealand, Canada and the USA.

    We have the British Empire to thank for that, and our own efforts within it.

    Cultural relativism is the left’s effort to attack our own admirable and superior culture.

  71. far right

    The “far right” is a myth created by socialists to justify their own extremism. They need some mirror symmetry to make them feel better about the human bloodbath upon which they base their moral high ground. So they can point and say, look your side is just as bad. Unfortunately what they refer to as far right are national socialists, ie as opposed to international socialists.

    In the socialist world view there are no conservatives on the right, just socialists with a different nationalistic superiority. Of course the myth of the far right is something all good lefties subscribe to as it gives them a sense of reduced culpability about the blood on their hands without which they could not exist.

  72. twostix

    2 stix could it be possible you are not culturally sensitive to the left and want to put words in their mouth?

    Kelly until ~3 years ago I was on the left, far left of you. I don’t even regard you as “left” – should I?

    You haven’t made a single argument against anything I’ve said other than “Multiculturalism is what I say it is” a definition which just happens to be the opposite of what its mainline advocates push.

    I’m also still waiting for you to answer this:

    You stated:

    Yes it is, supporting ruthless dictators with arms can’t be justified.

    And I asked:

    You’re against the Soviet alliance in WWII then?

  73. dover_beach

    So multiculturalism is another word for Western norms and values; got it.

  74. Samson Agonistes

    For the state to try to define what the national culture is, and to promote it as superior to all other cultures, and to make those substantive values compulsory for all nationals, is the very definition of state-sponsored servitude.

  75. twostix

    Eating dogs comes under cruelty to animals and it is not tolerated under Australian law.

    Arranged marriage is not compatible with a voluntary union under Australian law.

    Hence, neither are justifiable by reference to multiculturalism.

    AKA “Dont come here thinking us tolerant dominant white Europeans multiculturalists are going to let you engage in your weird cultural practices, you’ll do as we say and we’ll use our dominant cultural position to make the government force you to abide by our culture.”

  76. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Spot on, Twostix.

  77. As good an example of chauvinism that you could wish to find; and one that is completely incompatible with democratic values:

    SA
    Another way to put that is

    Multiculturalism is predicated on the idea that:

    - the pre-eminent values are those enshrined in the notions of democracy, rule of law, toleration, etc., that constitutionally define us.

    - different cultural values values and expressions, not incompatible with the above, should be supported without discrimination.

    There is no cultural relativism about this definition.

    You actually agree with Mk50 and want to make an argument out of nothing.

  78. twostix

    For the state to try to define what the national culture is,

    In a democractic society The State is an extension of the dominant culture.

    Which is of course why we have government departments set up to “protect” various cultural groups and their “approved” practices.

    That this simple fact is so far beyond so many proponents of “multiculturalism” is utterly extraordinary.

  79. You’re against the Soviet alliance in WWII then?

    Actually missed that and it is a bit different if you are being attacked and therefore have a common enemy. Iran never attacked anyone. But for arguments sake if Iran was bombing Greece lets say then I see no reason not to co-operate with Iraq.

  80. m0nty

    Not sure if Sinc will post this as an OP, but if not:

    Talking Business 2012 – Ep12 (audio/mpeg, 72Mb, 53min)
    Interview with RMIT economist Sinclair Davidson. Interview with Geoff Elwood, founder of the ETech group of companies. Leon and Garry look at issues including: – The International Monetary Fund (IMF) expects the Australian economy to expand by three per cent in 2012, as the threat of a sharp global economic slowdown recedes and activity in the United States rises. – The Greens under former leader Bob Brown could have done a better job of selling their economic vision for Australia, according to the woman who replaced him in the top job.

  81. Samson Agonistes

    You need to make a distinction between formal and substantive values.

    Formal values prescribe no particular form of life as superior to any other. They define core institutional values that are compatible with various types of human flourishing.

    These values are formal universals for us, but are not superior to other values nor compulsory for cultures other than ours.

    Substantive values do prescribe a form of life.

    Of course, there are always arguments about what the formal values allow or don’t allow; for example, gay marriage.

    Gay marriage is quite clearly compatible with our core institutional values; and that is why if it happens we’ll forget what the fuss was about the day after it happens.

    Chauvinists forget this distinction in the gushing exuberance to announce their cultural superiority and decry relativism.

  82. In a democractic society The State is an extension of the dominant culture.

    Which is of course why we have government departments set up to “protect” various cultural groups and their “approved” practices.

    That this simple fact is so far beyond so many proponents of “multiculturalism” is utterly extraordinary.

    Yes that is right and the proponents you are talking about and yes I think there are some, are proposing a sort of apartheid state with limitless different rules to satisfy different cultural practices. But even on the left I think these are a small minority. If I am wrong about that then it is of concern.

  83. Samson Agonistes

    It follows from the above that the opposition to gay marriage is a form of cultural fundamentalism of the same kind that people around here excoriate Muslims for.

  84. No it isn’t SA. For a start the marriage thing is about state recognition. A man can shack up with 5 women if he wants in practice just as a gay couple can live together. To call it cultural fundamentalism would be to ban such practices.

  85. dover_beach

    Formal values prescribe no particular form of life as superior to any other…Of course, there are always arguments about what the formal values allow or don’t allow;

    In other words, formal values do prescribe. Less typing, more thinking.

  86. Samson Agonistes

    The state view of marriage embodies the pre-eminent value of voluntary monogamy and that’s a value that is not exclusive to males or females.

    The exclusion of same-sex marriages is a historical residue of moral fundamentalism incompatible with a democratic society.

  87. candy

    “Gay marriage is quite clearly compatible with our core institutional values; and that is why if it happens we’ll forget what the fuss was about the day after it happens.”

    that’s a load of tosh. same sex marraige is not compatible with God, a core institutional value, as children can only come from man/woman marriage.

    bet you’re an atheist!

  88. Viva

    - the pre-eminent values are those enshrined in the notions of democracy, rule of law, toleration, etc., that constitutionally define us.

    - different cultural values values and expressions, not incompatible with the above, should be supported without discrimination.

    Toleration? Rule of law? Sounds impresive in the abstract. Here is the reality

    A performer singing Kung Fu Fighting in a UK pub managed to offend a some Chinese people passing by. He got arrested for racial haraasment.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8475965/Pub-singers-racism-arrest-over-Kung-Fu-Fighting-performance.html

    A teenage schoolgirl was arrested by police for racism after refusing to sit with a group of Asian students because some of them did not speak English. Codie Stott’s family claim she was forced to spend three-and-a-half hours in a police cell after she was reported by her teachers.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-410150/Schoolgirl-arrested-refusing-study-non-English-pupils.html

  89. Samson Agonistes

    Yes, Dover, you do need to think and not leave off predicates.

    The Marriage Act does not make marriage compulsory.

    The Marriage Act should not discriminate, but does.

    There is no marital lifestyle defined by the Marriage Act.

    An ‘open marriage’ is not defined by law, but neither is it excluded.

    If people get married and voluntarily agree not to do so to the exclusion of all others they cant be reported to the moral police and compulsoriily divorced.

  90. Jarrah

    “For a start the marriage thing is about state recognition.”

    Why have state recognition? It’s not the business of government to get involved in cultural issues. Let’s deregulate marriage.

  91. Samson Agonistes

    Viva – never judge an incident by a report in the tabloid press.

    And the laws in the UK are obviously very different.

  92. dover_beach

    Yes, Dover, you do need to think and not leave off predicates.

    You erred. Again, less typing, more thinking.

  93. Formal values prescribe no particular form of life as superior to any other….Substantive values do prescribe a form of life.

    No, not really. Firstly formal value are by definition calculable and hence orderable. Substantive values by definition are not.

    I would put it to you that the logic is flawed because substantive values are subjectively orderable and hence enumerable. I can find something more attractive then something else, hence I can synthesise an arbitrary subjective scale to measure that, that she is a 5 and she is a 10.

    It’s just a lame attempt at trying to flip subjective and objective. To use this false formal/substantive dichotomy as a basis for some form of cultural relativism is clearly silly.

  94. Andreas

    Maybe he was shocked and confused by the fact that Brevik nominated people as inspirations who Bolt himself admires, and he’s still sorting out his thoughts on the whole thing.

    Theodore Dalrymple (also mentioned by Brevik in his ‘manifesto’, along with – as Steyn notes – a great many writers and thinkers) mulls it over in a thoughtful article here: ‘Who is to Blame?’.

  95. Samson Agonistes

    Repetition is a sign of madness, dover.

    And, Irving, study some philosophy.

  96. Samson Agonistes

    Steyn’s views are abhorrent in their own right, and there’s no surprise that Breivik would admire them.

  97. Peter Patton

    Jarrah

    Why have state recognition? It’s not the business of government to get involved in cultural issues.

    Well it is, actually. Please see Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia. Perhaps it is taught as an elective at UNSW? ;)

  98. Doc Simmons

    Here is what happens to you if you look like you can do something tangible against the Federal Reserve menace …. But only if you are very very very lucky:

    “Congressman Hansen went to Tehran in 1979 in the middle of the Iran hostage crisis to try to negotiate with hostage takers through the fence of the U.S. Embassy.

    In 1980 Hansen published a book titled ‘To harass our people: The IRS and government abuse of power.

    In 1984 Hansen was reprimanded by the House for failing to include transactions on federal disclosure forms. He was defeated for reelection by less than 200 votes that year by Democrat Richard H. Stallings.[1]

    Hansen tried unsuccessfully to challenge the election result. He was convicted of failing to file full disclosure forms and spent 15 months in prison.

    His imprisonment included torture through medical neglect and subjection to “diesel therapy,” a form of punishment in which prisoners are painfully shackled and then transported for days or weeks without respite.[2] The conviction was overturned in 1995 as a result of the U.S. Supreme Court decision Hubbard v. United States.[3]”

    A very lucky man.

  99. Infidel Tiger

    Look, I think we can all agree that anyone who has eaten dog or driven a cab would fail a citizenship test. And anyone who has been employed by the ALP in a speech writing capacity should be executed

  100. Gab

    Writer Peter FitzSimons, who will replace Mr Carlyon …

    That’s right. The Australian War Memorial governing council now includes someone who responded to September 11 by apologising to Islamic terrorists.

    Morons.

  101. no. actually samson, you need to get your head out of musty old purile marxist philosophy books.

    It’s a pet loathing of mine of the pop and westernisation of eastern philosophy, the worst of which we find in nazi and marxist authors. It’s been a long time since I looked at any of this gunk, and really that’s all it is, westernised drivel that fails miserably to understand eastern thought.

    If you want to understand eastern and particularly Buddhist thought, I suggest you study the originals and not the faeces that are exuded by western self-obsessed self-aggrandising illiterates.

    And you know exactly that I was correct and you have no rebuttal other than to skulk back into trolling.

    Bravo! you are a powerhouse of intellectualism.

  102. .

    Humus and Curry?

    That’s a little too multicultural for me.

  103. Oh. An outbreak of CGM (Catallaxy Gay Marriage-itis) in the open thread now. What a worry.

  104. dover_beach

    Thankfully, I cannot be accused of the outbreak.

  105. JamesK

    Look, I think we can all agree that anyone who has eaten dog or driven a cab would fail a citizenship test.

    Not necessarily.

    I’m pretty certain my test included the following:

    Don Bradman was Australia’s most revered sportsman.

    What was Bradman’s average test score? (1 point)

    What was his faourite breed of dog for lunch on Day 1 of a test match? (3 points)

    How much much more should you charge for a taxi fare from Kingsford-Smith to Parramatta than a Parramatta to the airport fare? (2 points)

  106. Samson Agonistes

    You, Irving, are incoherent.

  107. John Mc

    And anyone who has been employed by the ALP in a speech writing capacity should be executed

    KRudd’s speech writer should be tortured first.

  108. Gab

    And you know exactly that I was correct and you have no rebuttal other than to skulk back into trolling.

    And you were right. :)

  109. Samson Agonistes

    The citizenship test was incompatible with the concept of citizenship.

    Citizenship classes may be a useful, non-compulsory obligation.

    Citizenship is a public, truthful declaration of loyalty to the constitution of a nation.

    Its no longer even to the exclusion of all others.

  110. big dumb fu

    Execution is far to nice for ALP speech writers.

  111. Tal

    Stocks and rotten fruit come to mind

  112. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Andreas – good article by Dalyrymple, thanks. I’d not have seen it except for your link.

    He points out very clearly that to perform the murderous rampage he did, Breivik has to be insane by the definition normal people use day-to-day.

    In turn, that point provides interesting commentary on something the left bays and slavers over, their ideological drive to assign events like this to an ideological cause.

    I suspect this is because they spend so much time admiring and supporting the ideological causes of 100,000,000 murder victims in the 20th century – their own ideology.

  113. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Naah. We are going to owe an Abbott government to those ALP speechwriters, at least in part.

    So reward them. Don’t punish them.

    Stick ‘em in gimp suits and deliver them to Bob Brown. They are sure to enjoy that. And that’s fair.

  114. Peter Patton

    Oh. An outbreak of CGM (Catallaxy Gay Marriage-itis) in the open thread now. What a worry.

    These outbreaks ultimately aren’t about marriage. They are about sex. And not ‘gay’ sex, but sex per se. As linked above, even real nuns are supporting gay marriage, while our resident self-appointed nun-spokeswoman – let’s called her Sister Mary, Mary Quite Contrary – can’t tell who she hates more: gays; muslims; blacks; or, or, or….

  115. JamesK

    Yet another excellent Theodore Dalrymple article op-ed on WSJ:The Ugly Brutishness of Modern Britain:

    A demotic egalitariansim, allied with multiculturalism (my emphasis for sundry bob fvckwits), has rendered civility passé.

    Multiculturalism is damaging because it denies that, when it comes to culture, there is a better and a worse, a higher and a lower—only difference. The word culture is used here in its anthropological sense, that is to mean the totality of behavior that is not directly biological.

    Hence any conduct—lying scantily clad in a pool of vomit, for example—is part of a culture, and since all cultures, ex hypothesi, are of equal worth, no one has the moral right to criticize, much less forbid, any kind of behavior. And if I have to accept your culture, you have to accept mine. If you don’t like it—tough. Unfortunately, the lowest level of culture is the easiest to reach and, again ex hypothesi, there is no reason to aim higher.

    Incivility in Britain thus has a militant or ideological edge to it. The uncivil British are not uncivilized by default—they actively hate and repudiate civilization.

  116. Token

    Hey Bob, time to head back to your blog and rant at Gerard Henderson, you made Media Watch again this week…

  117. JamesK

    We’ll have to call Peter, ‘Pest’ Patton frpm now on.

    Or maybe Proletarian Pete since he and Karl Marx are clearly sympatico

  118. Doc Simmons

    Bob this? Bob that? Who is Bob? You people aren’t so fortunate as to have Bob Ellis show up here are you?

  119. Peter Patton

    And yet, you, James, can never get enough of repeating the papist line on, well, everything. Chop, chop, chop.

  120. Peter Patton

    Oh, I can do Marx, papism, and chew gum at the same time. You clearly cannot. Poor dear.

  121. Doc Simmons

    If we have or believe we have a RIGHTEOUS left-winger in our midst the idea isn’t to be putting him down. The idea is to try and find some common ground. I notice that you people aren’t calling out Penny this, or Penny that. So its not Penny Wong you believe you have here.

    If its Bob Brown you are talking about, well thats another matter. Bob Brown is also a fairly righteous fellow. But sadly he is borderline insane.

  122. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Catallaxist Comrades!

    Get thee hence unto the Peoples Cube, where the apparatchiki are revolting!

    And progressively hilarious too, comrades.

  123. Tal

    Alas Doc I think you are right

  124. Infidel Tiger

    Doc, we’ve tried reasoning with Bob but he keeps stonewalling us.

    I myself am very curious as to how a morbidly obese blimp like himself gets an erection. I also ponder how much Chinese food he has eaten at taxpayers expense. All great questions you will agree, and still the fat cu*t ignores me.

    I mean who does he think he is, David Williamson?

  125. Peter Patton

    Have y’all read about why OJ Simpson’s glove didn’t fit? Coz the glove was his the REAL murderer; OJ’s SON, Jason!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2123547/OJ-innocent-Private-investigator-claims-Simpsons-SON-hacked-stars-wife-friend-death–went-trial-cover-up.html

  126. Doc Simmons

    Change the questions than infidel. After all he probably thinks you are some teenager or some early twenties fellow. And it amounts to the sort of situation that could develop in the old days when I’d be guarding my space at the bar and then some uppitty twenty-something might try something on. They always thought you’d telegraph matters by asking them to step outside. They never would know what hit them.

    There’s probably a certain amount of older bloke pride going on here, with the sort of questions you confess to have been angling at the gentleman. What I would want to here about is the difference between Bob-Environmentalism, and Penny-Environmentalism. Stuff like that. Informative stuff. Try asking questions like you are serious about it, and interested in the answers, and more than just for purient reasons.

    The question of fat people getting erections is sometimes poorly worded, and it can really be a question about whether anyone would notice, given all that flab surrounding. Bob is thought to be someone who such concerns wouldn’t apply to, and I’ll not go into grubby rumours further than that.

  127. candy

    the kid would have been 12? killed his Mum? and another adult – left no evidence?

    how cruel a journalist writing that, and those 2 kids of his can read it somewhere

  128. hzhousewife

    so they have to pay OJ compensation ? millions
    of course.

    and we, no doubt, will also have to pay poor
    Carl Williams’ sweet wife and child, innocent
    victims of dreadful unfair play within the
    walls of our prisons……….

    The hip-pockets of ordinary people are rapidly
    being emptied by our very own governments. It can’t
    last much longer.

  129. JamesK

    And yet, you, James, can never get enough of repeating the papist line on, well, everything. Chop, chop, chop.

    I’m not a christian and I’m not religious Peter.

    Your anti-catholicism is visceral, extreme and very very ugly.

    Your rabid hatred is advertising whilst living and thriving rent-free betwixt your ears.

    But there are no new buyers and there never will be.

    It must all make for a desperately unhappy inner-life.

    For your own good I suggest that you at least consider seeking professional help.

  130. Doc Simmons

    Well I’ve just scrolled up and I see you must be talking about Sampson Agonistes. I judge that he is the one, on account of his consistently superior prose. You’ll not get the best out of your esteemed guest if you keep him on the defensive and keep the swarming up.

    You want to take it easy. Get him to hang out for awhile. Take the pressure off and see what he thinks about neutral subjects.

    Pretty silly really. Here you have genius in your presence and you don’t want to find a way to draw it out and appreciate it.

  131. JamesK

    Have we a Homer in our midst?

  132. CraigS

    Eating dogs comes under cruelty to animals and it is not tolerated under Australian law.

    Interesting how Bob just makes it up as he goes along.

    It is perfectly legal to eat dog in every state of Australia except SA, and lets face do we care about SA.

    You to wonder why is it not okay to eat dog, but fine to eat pig, emu, or lamb, I mean how could you eat lamb? They are way cuter than dogs.

  133. Peter Patton

    candy

    Was Jason Simpson, Nicole Brown’s (nee Simpson) biological son?

  134. Peter Patton

    Oh James, da poor paddy waddy Roman Cathowic. Whhhhhaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  135. Gab

    No need to fret PP, God loves you regardless.

  136. JamesK

    You’re not really doing your reputation any favours Peter.

    You know that.

    Right?

  137. Peter Patton

    And James, if I flick over a few threads, will we find you giving some friendly advice to our resident RC nutters? No. In fact, you join in, “poor me” for “poor papist me”.

  138. Doc Simmons

    “It is perfectly legal to eat dog in every state of Australia except SA, and lets face do we care about SA.”

    Well it sounds right doesn’t it? But seriously, wouldn’t the RSPCA come down on the dog-eaters? I think Sampson was trying to make a fine differentiation here, and if there aren’t the laws on the books outside of SA, this is probably a little tangential to the minor point he is making here.

  139. Peter Patton

    Sistah Mary, Mary Quite Contrary, being familiar with “God’s love” and all. ROFLMAO.

  140. Gab

    Mother Mary loves you as well, PP. Fear not.

  141. Peter Patton

    So SMMQC has had lots, lots, and lots to say about gay marriage, but nothing about the nun’s telling the Pope to get on his tyke bike. So is SMMQC a misogynist as well as the all rest?

  142. Gab

    You’re in need of a good hug, PP. Hope you get one soon.

  143. Samson Agonistes

    It is not illegal, but no one has set up a legal business for their slaughter for human consumption.

    The example was not mine.

    I presumed the example came from someone suggesting backyard executions of dogs for human consumption.

    I don’t have a problem with dog meat per se, but I’m yet to really love eel or kangaroo.

  144. Peter Patton

    Nothing to say on the pope, the nuns, and marriage. Hehe. Let’s see how long y’all can shut it.

  145. candy

    “candy

    Was Jason Simpson, Nicole Brown’s (nee Simpson) biological son?

    yes. they had two children. but “nee” means the maiden name and her maiden name is not Simpson, it is Brown.

  146. Peter Patton

    Wow, why isn’t the story being framed as

    Nicole Simpson/Brown murdered by her own son!?

  147. Doc Simmons

    Samson these guys have this habit that I call “swarming”. When I would get swarmed I used to just try and kick everyone in the throat, but that was back when you had no chance of getting moderated. I don’t have any answer for the swarming phenomenon. I just hope that I can persuade people to be a little less tribal, so that we can get a little bit beyond the normal shoring up of left and right positions.

    There was this fellow at the ABC Drum forum. “Bob”, I think they called him. And he would discuss a lot of matters in a way that was still leftist, but always very original, and also heretical to what the more tribal leftist interlopers, nominally on his “side” would think was on the right side of the Pale.

    That is to say that Bob’s ideas were usually offensive to “his side” as it were. So I thought that if this “Bob”, ever showed up around here, we would want to get rid of the swarming, and try and talk a little bit more intellectually about matters. Try and be a more nuanced than usual. Discuss things in a way as befits the entrance of a gentleman onto the blog.

  148. Token

    For Spot & Gab (& SfB) who secretly loves these links

  149. Infidel Tiger

    I don’t have a problem with dog meat per se, but I’m yet to really love eel or kangaroo.

    I’ve got no taste for them either. Not while there is perfectly good swine for consumption.

  150. Peter Patton

    I’ve had kangaroo cooked by someone who knew what they were doing, and the entire meal was wonderful, but kangaroo didn’t join beef, lamb, pork, chook, etc. I’ll eat roo, no problem, if I have no choice.

  151. Doc Simmons

    ABC’s Drum Unleashed is practicing a stealthy form of censorship. They now close down the thread so fast you cannot get to it. They sniff which way the wind is blowing, then they close the thread down, before the argument matures.

    I take this to be anti-social behaviour by your ABC.

  152. Gab

    lol thanks Token. I know you love them too. I won’t tell anyone though.

    Spot has been AWOL since the “Obama eats dog” story broke. Hope he’s (Spot) okay.

  153. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Doc Simmons flying the flag for Samson. Old bored leftist/s wanting some more days of wine and rage, realising it is now all happening here? Is the Doc actually Samson making a special pleading? Or a new refugee?

    Can we afford to be nicer?

    So many questions in the great tapestry of life.

  154. Doc Simmons

    If the ABC had practiced this nasty policy earlier it would have subtracted a great deal of value from a lot of excellent Bob Ellis threads. Bob would get right out there and discuss the ins and outs of the ideas that he had put forward before the public on that forum.

    Bob caught a lot of flak from the left and the dumb right. In other words he wasn’t being criticised too heavily from anyone he ought rightly respect. Yet few of the threads would have been more than marginally worthwhile, had the ABC been closing the discussion down, like it does right at the moment. One wonders who the usurpers are that have ruined ABC Unleashed.

  155. Token

    Of course, you would have to have a soul as black as pitch not to love ‘em Gab

    I noticed this article yesterday, maybe spot has been busy as he has his jaws locked on this guy’s leg for using his image in that way…

  156. Gab

    Yuk! Your first link shoulda come with a warning, Toke. Why on earth do you want to increase traffic to SFB’s site?!

    I just hope Spot hasn’t been the main course at the White House, is all.

  157. Rabz

    Hey Lizzie – the ‘doc’ is the bird and the bird, as we all know, is the word

    Aunty agoniste is merely a morbidly obese, syphilis ravaged soak trying desperately to annoy the fuck out of the sensible people here.

  158. Doc Simmons

    Where is this fat myth coming from? That reminds me of when people around here were claiming that Joe McCarthy was fat. He was normal for a person his age. Surely this is the first time that Bob Ellis has been hassled for being fat?

    Seems like one person says it and everyone else just piles on.

    “Old bored leftist/s wanting some more days of wine and rage”

    If you are talking about Ellis I don’t think he’s tired. I think he naps around the clock to keep his writing productivity up.

  159. Rabz

    If you are talking about Ellis

    Who’s talking about him, gra gra?

    Any resemblance in my comment to laybore pardee grandees living, dead or semi comatose is purely coincidental…

  160. JC

    Yea Bird, we’re not talking about Ellis. We’re talking about Bob from Whale Beach.

    Get off the booze.

  161. A soul as black as pitch? That seems – unnecessary.

    I have a moderately interesting anecdote involving fruit juice today.

    I’m also very surprised at how many different razors can be found at the Schick website.

    I have decided that the excesses of world capitalism must first be attacked by legislation to outlaw razors with more than 3 blades.

    I have recently, in an austerity measure, started using Bic twin blade razors, for the first time ever. They are not bad. They are also made in Greece.

    If you want to help Europe recover, you should buy Bic razors and help the Greek economy, and thus Europe.

    I think I will write a whole blog post about this.

  162. Doc Simmons

    Bob from Whale Beach. Who is Bob from Whale Beach?

  163. Les Majesty

    Graeme

    What do you think of Mk50?

    He is in favour of burning little girls in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He denies Churchill was a war criminal.

    I think he is a real dope. Criminally stupid. A public service knowledge worker. Just a real blockhead.

    What do you think?

  164. Infidel Tiger

    Bob from Whale Beach. Who is Bob from Whale Beach

    ?

    They named it after him. After a real big hoe down on Chinese takeaway with the boyz from Sussex St at the taxpayers expense.

  165. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    O it’s da boidie. Should have known. Thanks Rabz.
    I fall for it every time.

    Hi Graeme. Glad you are feeling better now and back in form.

  166. Rabz

    They named it after him.

    If only – it would “beached whale beach” if they had…

  167. JC

    Bob from Whale Beach. Who is Bob from Whale Beach?

    How the fuck do we know who Bob from Whale Beach is. What sort of dumb arse science worker question is that?

  168. Doc Simmons

    Well if you don’t know who he is, how do you know he is fat? Crestor?

  169. Alice

    I am Mr Bob IC Manaloousas. I am the CEO of Bic, Hellenia. I want you all to buy my razors now because my labour is very cheap and my profits are plentiful but stashed on the island of Mykonosdrachmasmyownus (a greek tax haven).

    Fortunately the government is so busy with the mess of solving the budget deficit, and have spent so much on capsicum spray to keep those lazy bastards on the street in check, they dont have the resources to find me.

    But I remain committed to helping the Greek economy!

  170. Rabz

    Well if you don’t know who he is, how do you know he is fat?

    We immediately (and inevitably correctly) assume that all irritating ‘progressive’ pomposities posting comments here are “luxuriously upholstered”.

    That way we’re not disappointed when we discover they are.

  171. JamesK

    Fcme yet another boring Lateline interview of yet another leftists in the da UK telling us essentially fuck all in the way of actual news ’bout da eevil Rupert/News Corp.

  172. Somewhat amusing, Alice.

    Now all I need is for someone to ask what happened to me involving fruit juice today….

  173. JC

    Hey Kelly

    You know how I was plugging Capstone turbine along the theme that cheap US gas prices are there to be arb’ed.

    I was saying this when they were a buck.

    They’re trading in the pre-market at 1.2 this morning in the US.

    I’m up 20% on this fucker in 3 odd days. And by the way CNBC gave them a plug last night which means they could zoom as the idiots pile in.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/47106296

  174. JC
    Well done. Better you don’t listen to me too much lol. So long as you keep being a trader.

    Steve tell us about the fruit juice.

  175. Rabz

    Mr Bob IC Manaloousas.

    Greeting, meester blob manaloosas.

    I am being meester joseph konee yabbott, lately of Nigeria.

    I step greatly forward to help you help yourself and help the people hanging around in greease who have run out of other peoples’es pension money.

    Like you, I understand hardship.

    Especially when I am able to humbly contribute to it.

    I have a special gift of special konee funds ready for you and the greease peaoples’es.

    We can work together, Squire blob – let us, as they say, just do it!

  176. JC

    Read this fucking headline and weep.

    When would yopu ever see such a headline for Australia.

    Large Manufacturers More Likely to Move From China to US

    And ask why aren’t they thinking of moving here?

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/47097720

    Cheap US energy inputs will absolutely have the US economy take off under a Romney Presidency.

  177. JC

    JC
    Well done. Better you don’t listen to me too much lol. So long as you keep being a trader.

    I would never listen to you Kelly. Ever.

    It’s going to 10 bucks Kelly. This is my roadster SLS AMG stock. Lol

  178. Well, I’m glad you asked.

    About a year ago, I endorsed this fruit juice product.

    Today, I bought a small bottle again from the local Coles, and opened as I walked out of the supermarket, only to find it was highly pressurised. It was like a small bottle of (red) shaken champagne. It made quite a mess, but somehow I didn’t get it on my clothes.

    Obviously, it had become thoroughly fermented. (It smelt it too.) The supermarket naturally offered a replacement, but it had the same expiry date (26 April.) I opened it carefully, and it seemed OK, but when I drank it, I could tell there was a small amount of effervescence in that bottle too. The woman then got the last two bottles off the shelf and noted that the bottles felt as if they were pressurised too.

    So – watch out for your Raw Berry Burst with an expiry date of 26 April.

    Remember – I said “moderately” interesting.

  179. Alice

    Ah Meeester joseph knoeeallee yabbot.
    I have even heard about u on my island of mykonosdrachmusmyownus.

    Do you have an island of your own Meester Yabbott?

    There is nothink I dont know about contributing to the hardships (sorry hardening) of the characters of those I work with.

    It is so very good for the soul, no?

    I agree, let us work together, me Mr B IC Manaloosas and you Meester Joseph knoeealle yabbot in partnership to do our best for mankind.

  180. JC

    Gee Stepford. Wow! Great story!

  181. JC
    It’ll never reach $10, US gas is at $2 right now an unless you think the US is a complete command economy market forces will push it up to about $6 which is the going rate in Aus. I do remember you arguing to me one time that NG could become more expensive than oil. Take NG price as being half that of oil might be fair which is much more than current US price.

  182. JC

    What a great fucking stock. Might be killing everyone, but it’s the best stock ever.

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/earnings/story/2012-04-20/mcdonalds/54427002/1

    always , always make money.

  183. Alice

    Ewww – nothing quite like the taste of a fruit juice that has developed that slightly tangy taste..
    You know it really put me off Nudis, that very thing Steve. Funny you should say.

    Got a slightly fermented bottle once and well…that did it. Never again will I take my clothes off and drink at the same time.

    Be careful where you walk in the supermarket – one of those things could go off like Vesuvius!

  184. Obviously, it had become thoroughly fermented. (It smelt it too.)

    How silly to suggest not buying it. Alcohol without the tax and it is probably still healthy with some reminant vitamins and minerals.

  185. JC

    Got a slightly fermented bottle once and well…that did it. Never again will I take my clothes off and drink at the same time.

    So every time you drink fruit juice you get your gear off, Alice or did you do that just with Nudie?

  186. Gab

    The doggone facts:

    In fact, in Jakarta, where the Obamas lived with their Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, dog meat is illegal. In the majority Muslim Indonesia, eating dog is forbidden among most ethnic groups in the islands, though a small, black market is said to exist for those looking for it. The only exception are the Batak people, principally of Northern Sumatra who eat it on holidays–but Obama’s stepfather, who was raised in West Java, isn’t a part of that ethnic group. Besides, the Obamas lived hundreds of miles and several islands away.

    A diplomatic source close to the Indonesian delegation in the U.S. confirms that while dog is sometimes eaten in Indonesia, it is done so very rarely. “Obama had to go hunting for dog meat,” the source, who didn’t want to be identified, told me.

    “I don’t know of anyone who eats it and frankly, I’m a little offended you would ask.”

    No, no need to thank me and hold the apaws.

  187. Gab

    No, Steve, before you remark let me explain it to you: Nudie is a brand not an instruction. ‘K?

  188. Oh. The Dirk Gently TV series is starting on Monday 9.30 on ABC. I think it supposed to be pretty good.

    This is why the ABC must be preserved from the savages who congregate at Catallaxy and call for its demise.

  189. JC

    Gab:

    Ummm the Germans, Swiss and Northern Frogs eat dog too. It seems it’s just not an exotic eastern dish. alone.

    In fact I’ve been looking at our pooch with a different eye :-)

    I think this is the funniest thing going… that the Kenyan was partaking. His side was bashing into Romney for the car ride incident and now we find out he’s actually eaten a pooch.

  190. Gab

    The Frogs eat frogs and dog? What’s wrong with these people? Sounds like they’d eat anything not nailed down. However, if you’re born into a culture that sees dog as dinner, then there’s nothing extraordinary about it.

  191. JC

    Stepford

    You haven’t commented on Odumbo’s dog dinners. Why?

  192. Adam Hill’s talk show in on repeat now. I liked him much more as Spicks and Specks host. But I swear his talk show has more gay themes to it than a Graham Norton series.

  193. Rabz

    Greeting two times, meester blob manaloosas!

    I am being blessered indeedy with my own island.

    It is what those silly westerners shout a ‘taxx haven”, butt I prefer to simply moniker it my ‘hayven’!!

    BTW, How do you propose selling rayzor blaydes to a peopleses who are notorious for not shaving – and that’s just the laydeez?

  194. the savages who congregate at Catallaxy

    Thats given me a bit of strange mental picture with all these people sitting in front of a computer with a loin cloth on sharpening there spears and arrows between typing comments. At least it means these people would be quite good looking as savages always have to be athletic to hunt down the next meal.

  195. JC

    However, if you’re born into a culture that sees dog as dinner, then there’s nothing extraordinary about it.

    Really? Somehow I just can’t imagine it.

  196. Infidel Tiger

    However, if you’re born into a culture that sees dog as dinner, then there’s nothing extraordinary about it.

    If you eat horse, dog or cat, don’t bother applying for citizenship. You’re an unreconstructed deviant and should be shot in the groin.

  197. Gab

    The consumption of dog meat can be traced back to antiquity. Dog bones were excavated in a neolithic settlement in Changnyeong , Gyeongsangnam-do Province. A wall painting in the Goguryeo tombs complex in South Hwangghae Province, a UNESCO World Heritage site which dates from 4th century AD, depicts a slaughtered dog in a storehouse (Ahn, 2000).[1] The Balhae people also enjoyed dog meat, and the Koreans’ appetite for canine cuisine seems to have come from that era.[2]

    Koreans have distinguished Chinese terms for dog “견; 犬”, which refers to pet dogs, feral dogs, and wolves from the chinese term “구; 狗,” which is used specifically to indicate dog meat. “Hwangu” has been considered better for consumption than “Baekgu” (White dog) and “Heukgu” (Black dog).[3]

  198. JC: Um, because it’s trivia.

    I know a Taiwanese guy who has told me how popular black dog is in his country. I own a black dog, and keep him away from it. I think he (or maybe it was vietnamese guy) who told us you can get dog meat in Australia if you know who to ask.

  199. JC

    If you eat horse, dog or cat, don’t bother applying for citizenship. You’re an unreconstructed deviant and should be shot in the groin.

    That would knock out the entire European sub-continent. Those fuckers eat horse.

  200. Rococo Liberal

    Oh. The Dirk Gently TV series is starting on Monday 9.30 on ABC. I think it supposed to be pretty good.

    This is why the ABC must be preserved from the savages who congregate at Catallaxy and call for its demise.

    We don’t want to get rid of the ABC’s entertainment divisions, just it’s awful news and current affairs division.

    In any case Dirk Gently is made by the BBC, so it will be available from them if you want it.

  201. JamesK

    $1 billion of other peoples’ money yearly so the clown doesn’t have to purchase Dirk Gently on DVD.

  202. Gab

    sitting in front of a computer with a loin cloth

    and donning two coconut shells for we ladies :)

  203. JamesK

    We don’t want to get rid of the ABC’s entertainment divisions

    Speak for urself.

    I want it sold as publicly listed company on the stock exchange.

    Pay Roger Ailes $50 million for 3 years to increase its value and bring it to market.

  204. Well, yes, horses. Being food is probably the most useful thing they can do. People at the races with large families should be allowed to bring a “leg of nag” home for Sunday roast if the vet has to put one of the useless creatures down for twisting its ankle.

  205. JC

    $1 billion of other peoples’ money yearly so the clown doesn’t have to purchase Dirk Gently on DVD.

    He seriously deserves a clip over the head.

  206. Rabz

    and donning two coconut shells for we ladies

    Here’s to artificially induced, planet wide coconut shortages, peopleses!

    ;)

  207. Gab

    Via Insty.

    Sarah Palin to oogling SS agent: “”Well check this out, bodyguard — you’re fired. And I hope his wife sends him to the doghouse. As long as he’s not eating the dog, along with his former boss.”

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/04/19/palin_on_secret_service_scandal_its_a_symptom_of_government_run_amok.html

    Miaow.

  208. JC

    Gab

    I hate to mention this but that Secret Service agent was checking out Plain when Bush was the prez. :-)

  209. daddy dave

    Oh. The Dirk Gently TV series is starting on Monday 9.30 on ABC. I think it supposed to be pretty good.

    What do you think would happen to all those British TV shows if the ABC didn’t buy them?
    I’ll tell you. Other TV stations would buy them and show them.

    Yes, you would have to watch ads sometimes. that’s the price of getting TV shows for free. And no, TV shows on the ABC aren’t free, because the ABC is a subscription, pay-to-view channel.

  210. Winston Smith

    “JC: Um, because it’s trivia.” = “It doesn’t fit the narrative.” In Stevespeak…
    Hahahahahahaaaa!

  211. .

    LOL Daddy we have universal coverage with the ABC though.

  212. Doc Simmons

    ’bout da eevil Rupert/News Corp.” Well there is no getting around it. They are evil. But then so are their competitors. All of them are dependent on rolling over their loans to the merchants of debt. Hence they toe the strategic line. All the news fit to print except key strategic matters. Their chief evil lies in sins of omission.

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