The dog ate my death threats II

Update I: John Coochey in comments below.

I feel I can throw some light on this matter as I am undoubtedly the person who is alleged to have shown my gun licence to people at the dinner. That is not accurate. At the mediocre dinner on the first day I was approached by Dr Maxine Cooper, then the Commissioner for the environment, who recognized me as someone involved in the kangaroo culling program in the ACT which occurs each winter. After politely asking if she could sit next to me she asked me how I had gone in the recent licence test which is challenging. I told her I had topped it with a perfect score and showed her my current culling licence, not gun licence, to prove it. The conversation around the table then drifted around the benefits of eating game meat v the poor fare on offer.

Update II: Noodle emails through a report describing the events of that fateful weekend – see especially page 9 footnote 13).

It should be mentioned that two participants departed the process at the conclusion of day 1. One sceptic left because of the stress involved with dealing with the different perspectives and the way in which some participants initially interacted with those perspectives. Another, deep climate sceptic left the process without providing a reason, but apparently did so because of a perception that persons’ particular perspective was not getting enough of an airing as a minority view. Nevertheless, a number of climate sceptics remained to participate in the forum and, following a number of robust exchanges within particular sections of the group, a greater level of tolerance and reciprocal understanding of those perspectives was finally achieved.

No mention of death threats in that account.

Original Post: The ANU has released the ‘death threat’ emails – The Australian coverage is here. The emails themselves are in a zip-file from here. Let’s just remind ourselves how the ‘death threats’ were reported.

an incident in Australia earlier this month when university researchers were rushed to a secure location after receiving death threats.

Sounds very serious.

One of the ANU emails refers specifically to an incident relating to a gun licence. The email is dated June 2, 2010.

While not wanting to trivialise the incident there doesn’t seem to be any sense of urgency in that email. Also note the first sentence.

Looks like we’ve had our first serious threat of physical violence.

If Graham Readfern’s post on the timing of the events is correct

He said: “I and my Climate Change Institute staff were moved to more secure quarters around March/April 2010 because of concerns my staff had about the very open and accessible premises we had at that time. I had a duty of care to my staff to respond to these concerns. The move was taken in consultation with the Vice-Chancellor and with the ANU security office. This, of course, is well before the Jan-Jun 2011 period that the FOI request is concerned with.”

that ‘first serious threat’ occured after the ANU staff were moved.

(HT: Noodle)

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144 Responses to The dog ate my death threats II

  1. Jc

    So they lied. Welcome to the world of agw.

  2. Rob

    Let’s face it they need to be in more secure quarters. Given the nature of the work that they do, they need very high security with high fences, armed guards and very long sentences.

  3. selen234

    read Crikey today Sinc?

  4. Borisgodunov

    This country is full of overpaid wankers ,universities get too much funding if they can pay these idiots.Abolish unis ,have colleges of Medicine,Engineering and True Science we dont need lawyers ,b,a s and m.b.a.s Parliament is full of them and look at the dogs breakfast that is .aA very very expensive Kindergarten.

  5. Sinclair Davidson

    No. Nor any other day.

  6. Gab

    As I said earlier, there are 11 emails, although one “threat” is duplicated in the emails.

    I’ve scanned the emails and have yet to find one death threat – unless telling them to stop publishing crap and to get off the government’s “tits” is considered “threatening”.

    This whole “death threat” episode is climate scientists saying “here, pull my finger”.

  7. Adam Kane

    From Crikey, kinda related.
    Department of Climate Change produces book to argue against Plimer’s book.

    The Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency have confirmed that the decision to commission and publish a document called Accurate Answers to Professor Plimer’s 101 Climate Change Science Questions was made in reaction to outrage from teachers and scientists about Ian Plimer’s climate sceptic book aimed at children.

  8. Adam Kane

    This reveals the true purpose of the Dept of Climate Change which is propaganda. How much of the climate teaching material that is used Australian schools comes direct from the DCC?

  9. conrad

    Sinclair — if I got that sort of threat, I’d report it and ask management to do something about it also. Who wouldn’t? Do we live in a place where people ignore death threats? I should hope not. I’d specifically force them to register it with the police as well.

  10. Gab

    Some bloke boasts he has a gun license and he’s a good shot and this equates to a “death threat”. LOL

  11. Louis Hissink

    Unlike Madame Lafarge who knitted, it seems our climatologists instead ennumerate untruths.

  12. H B Bear

    Modelling shows a rapidly increasing probability of death treats by 2050.

  13. conrad

    Good to see the new libertopia allows implied death threats. Perhaps we can allow implied violence, implied property destruction etc. also. As long as we don’t do I guess…

  14. Biota

    Looks like we’ve had our first serious threat of physical violence

    This sounds very much like they were eagerly anticipating such an event and read far more into it than was there.

    I and my family were victims of a death threat once and when I rang the police I didn’t start with that line.

  15. Infidel Tiger

    Sinclair — if I got that sort of threat, I’d report it and ask management to do something about it also.

    You’ve got to love the leftist mind: “I have received a death threat. Please give me the appropriate complaint forms to fill out.”

  16. Gab

    No threat at all, Conrad? Unless it scares you that I have a gun license and am a great shot. Are you trembling?

  17. Rabz

    … when I rang the police I didn’t start with that line.

    I did – “Hey Pigs, I finally got my first death threat, yippeeee!!!!!!”

  18. conrad

    Sorry Gab, but there are lots of crazy people in the world. Reporting this sort of stuff is just standard practice. You get it all the time in some organizations. Last person that did it where I worked ended up jumping under a train, and I guess anyway that ends up doing that certainly could have had the potential to do other things.

    This starts reminding me of that South Park episode that got censored. No-one said they’d kill anyone, so Comedy Central must have been pussies after all.

  19. Helen Armstrong

    ‘deliberative democracy’ does this equal ‘group think’?

    Anyway, he did not make the statement that he had a ‘license’ and was a ‘sniper’? (really? in what war?) to the person he supposedly took exception to in the afternoon’s lecture (he apparently said it to other people and we do not know in what context the comments were made) AND we do not know for what reason he was called away on day 2.

    In this case, an apple plus a mushroom does not make a fruit salad.

    Oh, the thrill of it all! A death threat! Legitimacy! Be still, thy trembling bowels.

  20. Infidel Tiger

    This starts reminding me of that South Park episode that got censored. No-one said they’d kill anyone, so Comedy Central must have been pussies after all.

    Comedy Central were complete fags to cave in to the demands of 6th century sand castle builders.

  21. Gab

    Conrad, no death threats have been produced by ANU. They got frightened by the word “gun”, didn’t bother woth context, jumped to conclusions and taht is all.

    Oh apart from allegedly rushing climate scientists away to a secret location.

    Their produced “death threats” do not live up to their hyperbole. Anyone normal person can see that.

  22. Gab

    They’re not called climate alarmists for nothing.

  23. selen234

    unless they were from Golden Dawn…

  24. conrad

    Gab, unfortunately it’s hard to evaluate what happens with death threats. The person could be schizophrenic etc., and this is something you don’t know. This is why workplacs are obliged to act (perhaps a lawyer can confirm this, but I imagine they have a legal obligation to do so), and the reason is obvious — being wrong 1 time out of 100 is enough to make you act.

    There were no death threats in the comedy central case either. But it’s pretty clear why they acted. If you guys think that this sort of stuff is all fine and dandy, then you should be have no problems with the nutters that threatened comedy doing what they did.

  25. Peter Patton

    Has any emailed death threat ever, ever, EVER been acted on?

  26. Gab

    Were the police called in, Conrad? No. Did the guy turn up the next day? No. Apparently there were “lots” of death threats and the ANU has put them online. Did you even read them Conrad?

    unfortunately it’s hard to evaluate what happens with death threats. The person could be schizophrenic etc., and this is something you don’t know.

    One more time. The guy showed people his gun license and said he was a good shot – “how good a sniper he is”. Sounds like he was boasting about his [possibly] new license and boasting about how well he shoots.

    From this you, and the alarmists, have gleaned that the guy shoots people but he does so with a legally registered weapon. Mind you, no mention of a gun was made. No reports that his behavior, in general over the course of the, was disturbing – other than he left a lecture early. But he went to the dinner that night. No reports that he caused a commotion; no reports he actually made a threat. Nothing. Just a conversation.

  27. pete m

    I always act on my email threats if I am ignored. Usual result is a Court application, but then again, that is what I threatened in the first place!

    Love how this was beaten up into a media circus.

    If it was made to a real estate salesman, would it have got 1 single journo / politician’s interest?

  28. Peter Patton

    Gab, unfortunately it’s hard to evaluate what happens with death threats. The person could be schizophrenic etc., and this is something you don’t know. This is why workplacs are obliged to act (perhaps a lawyer can confirm this, but I imagine they have a legal obligation to do so), and the reason is obvious — being wrong 1 time out of 100 is enough to make you act.

    Absolute self-serving bullshit Conrad. The fact is that Australian academia is infected with liars and drama queens, who went sprung, invariably squeal “death threat”!

  29. Gab

    I will be notifying security to be on hand in case he turns up and causes a problem.

    Nothing wrong with taking precautions even if the hearsay is questionable given no context of the conversation was given. But he never turned up.

  30. brc

    They can’t even lie properly. They are so sloppy with data they didn’t even bother to get all the dates correct.

    And these guys pretend to know what the climate is going to do in 2050.

    No context, no threatening behaviour, no reports to the police, the story comes after the move to a different building.

    As a lie it’s not even remotely believable. Can’t they even put their back into lying properly for the cause?

  31. Gab

    one of the participants left early after he too [sic] exception to my talk about climate science

    There’s your threat right there. lol.

  32. JC

    And these guys pretend to know what the climate is going to do in 2050.

    Not only. They also also know that the cold year was 1032. Seriously.

    Back at the start of McIntyre’s research into the area of paleoclimate, one of the most significant of these was called Polar Urals, a chronology first published by Keith Briffa of the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia. At the time, it was used in pretty much every temperature reconstruction around. In his paper, Briffa made the startling claim that the coldest year of the millennium was AD 1032, a statement that, if true, would have completely overturned the idea of the Medieval Warm Period.

  33. Louis Hissink

    brc,

    a better explanation is that they live in a parallel universe where what is obvious to us, is totally arcane to them – I don’t think they are lying at all, they just happen to have interpreted the incident in a particular way, the lefty way, which is the real problem. They have been fabricating their narratives since Plato’s time.

  34. Gab

    Here’s another explain of an emailed “death threat”:

    Henrik Svensmark discovered a startling connection between the cosmic ray flux from space and cloud cover and recent results from Cern confirms this research.
    Comics’ Leaving Outdoor Droplets or the CLOUD . Are you aware of the science? Are you aware of its implications to the “Consensus” on climate change and AGW.
    Our weather is not climate. I am deeply offended that you use the deaths of loved ones in the recent Victorian bush fires to peddle lies to the community about climate change and its affects.You should be ashamed that policy is driving the science and
    that you are putting your voice behind policy rather than truth. Are you morally and ethically aware (awake) of your actions? ALSO Please stop telling lies
    about sea level rises. It is so full of BS it is not funny it is insulting to anyone with enough intelligence to do simple research about sea level rises.
    I ask that you seek the truth objectively and use your voice for truth. I am all for renewable energy, a greener society and less pollution but you and I both know the carbon tax is fraudulent and will hurt many people for the sake of a few. The carbon tax will not change our climate for the better it will have no affect at all.

    Please be truthful in the future.

  35. Gab

    And another one:

    pass t ..to boy…
    heard on l laney show today…what a fckn load of pseudo scaremongering
    turd.. at youd expect from someone sucking of the tit of the public sow..
    coz of he had to make money in the private sector he’d be fcked..
    You’ll be pleased to know willie boy all of us ‘stupid ignorant’ australians out there
    came on the radio after you went and panned the fck out of you and your idiotic
    toilet…
    “these deniers have no qualifications in climate science’-oh yeh? and flannerys a
    paleontologist-you dckhead…
    yuppie turds the lot of ya..why dont ya all fck off to yr beloved europe where their
    economies are fckd because of stupid schemes like yours and leave us to run this great
    country as it should be..

  36. Conrad @5.01 regarding death threats. There are those you take seriously, and those you don’t. I had death threat on my blog several years ago – apparently I should be a)hung upside down from a tree and beaten and b)raped in front of my father or something like it.

    I’m not exactly Ms. Sooperanonymoose, so it’s not like someone couldn’t track me down if they wanted. Considering that I like to follow islamic anti-social activity and report on it, people who would threaten me are more likely to carry it out than people who threaten climate ‘scientists’.

  37. Frank

    The person could be schizophrenic etc.,

    You would want the threats to come from something other than common garden variety nutters if you were trying to spin it the way they did.

  38. Gab

    This one is a really nasty “death threat”:

    How do you people sleep at night, you and that old idiot . They pay you thousands to feed us ordinary hard working normal folk bullshit.
    You come from well to do families who have never earned or done an honest days work in your life. You overpaid over educated parasite. Get a real job and pay your dues you leech

  39. Peter Patton

    Conrad

    The person could be schizophrenic etc., and this is something you don’t know.

    While I dismiss the likes of Hairshirt Hamilton as credible, I really do think it is inappropriate to speculate on their medical issues.

  40. Peter Patton

    So many death threats, so little time…

  41. manalive

    The only email which contained material which could conceivably be interpreted as threatening turns out to be hearsay twice removed. If true, the incident would warrant a formal complaint to the police.
    The point is, this one alleged threat was beaten up to a major story sent around the world, for example: “..The Australia National University (ANU) in Canberra said that it has moved a number of its climate scientists to a secure facility after they received a large number of threatening emails and phone calls…”.
    As it turns out it was an appeal to pity, just a hoary PR exercised designed to get public sympathy and support.

  42. Pickles

    Honey I Shrunk The Death Threats.

  43. Tom

    Climate change is crap.

  44. Rabz

    This matter brings us back to one of the great imponderables of our age:

    Why are climate quackademics such bipads?

  45. Boy on a bike

    Some knob waves a gun license around and tells me they’re a good shot, I challenge them to meet me at the range, and bet them a slab I’ll outshoot them. What academic pussies see as a death threat, I see as a challenge.

  46. Jason

    Conrad, you made such a big deal regarding an employers need to act, it turns out the VC thought so much about it that he couldnt be stuffed reading the supposed death threats and hence making a determination on the veracity of said threats.

    Seems like the faculty members wanted more sympathy, less scrutiny and better digs.

    A beat up pure and simple and your threadbare defense is pathetic.

  47. Pickles

    Cause they got kicked out of the Lego Club at Uni.

  48. brc

    Why is anyone even trying to defend this complete non-story?

    It’s now an own-goal of Gleikian proportions. One for the hard core climate activist to push down the memory hole and never mention again.

    I honestly can’t think of anything any climate activist has ever said which has actually turned out to be true.

    I can’t imagine what it is like to go on with that kind of disconnect between fantasy in your head and reality on the ground, I really can’t. It must be like being a 200 kg pizza scoffing slob who looks in the mirror and sees Brad Pitt staring back. That’s how far from reality their fantasies are. Are they trying to kid the rest of us, or just themselves?

  49. selen234

    some celebs i knew use complaints as an excuse for hate mail so it gives them credibility and that edge

    they have the death threat mantra when they start to believe their own sense of self importance

  50. Tom

    Climate zombieism achieves its righteous orgasm only if the amoeba concerned genuinely believes it is fighting a boardroomful of cigar-chomping blokes in white suits and ten-gallon hats in Houston, Tx, and all their murderous surrogates fanning out around the globe with telemetric orders to eliminate Rajendra’s heroes who are desperately trying to save the world BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE. Fairy princesses like Anna Rose fall asleep each night dreaming these fabulous Disney children’s stories.

  51. Aqualung

    The weird thing is why you would point out having a gun license when making a threat. Is the threatener saying he is dangerous because he has a license – because most people assume that, if you do not have a license, it would be impossible to shoot them?

    “That’s it you prick! I’m going to smash your head in, ‘cos I have a carpenters’ certificate from TAFE.

  52. Adam Kane

    It simply wasn’t a death threat.

    There was no death threat.

    Remember that these non-existent death threats were front-page news at the time.

  53. Waddaya think of this here gun licence of mine? Btw, I’m a pretty good shot!

    Please lieutenant….. tell me you’ve got more than that!

  54. The Green Man

    I am actually a very good shot and I do not have a licence nor a gun.

    Most of my country friends are the same.

    Good shots I mean.

    But they probably do have licences because they need their guns to shoot vermin. I don’t.

    Does that make me a death threat or them.

  55. Loki

    Furthermore, this is not actually the threat itself. It is a re-telling from an interested party.

  56. John Coochey

    I feel I can throw some light on this matter as I am undoubtedly the person who is alleged to have shown my gun licence to people at the dinner. That is not accurate. At the mediocre dinner on the first day I was approached by Dr Maxine Cooper, then the Commissioner for the environment, who recognized me as someone involved in the kangaroo culling program in the ACT which occurs each winter. After politely asking if she could sit next to me she asked me how I had gone in the recent licence test which is challenging. I told her I had topped it with a perfect score and showed her my current culling licence, not gun licence, to prove it. The conversation around the table then drifted around the benefits of eating game meat v the poor fare on offer.

  57. Gab

    my current culling licence

    Aha! (she cried with great alacrity), another “death threat”.

    Thanks for clarifying the alleged event, John.

  58. It is, of course, possible that this has gone through a game of chinese whispers to be elevated into a concerning event.

    Before making judgement, however, cautious people would like to hear the account given by other people – you know, actual witnesses – in the room.

    It’s very touching (sarc) how Catallaxy thinks that no one who agrees with them on climate change could be a worrisome nutter who you wouldn’t want turning up at your office. Yet we know (from video this time) that things like turning up at public talk and waving a noose around is thought to all be part of fair rhetoric.

  59. .

    You have been “Toozed”, my friend John.

    You shouldn’t hang around these people. They threw you under a bus.

  60. Sinclair Davidson

    steve – Given that one of the witnesses has been named I have no doubt that journalists will be calling to ask her version of events.

  61. .

    People like Steve. Unless you want to be alone with him in some industrial estate.

  62. Rafe

    Great video steve! Nice label, what is a climate denier? Call that a death threat? You have got to be joking.

    Someone made the comparison with the threats that prompted suppression of material on South Park. The diffence is that those other guys (who Tim Blair calls Presbyterians to be tactful) do real things like flying planes into buildings, beheading people and murdering girls who don’t go along with arranged marriages.

  63. Rabz

    the kangaroo culling program in the ACT

    A truly legendary event.

    I was filled in on this annual ritual when I moved down here and needless to say, the inevitable greenslime intervention has transformed what should be a fairly simple process into something resembling high farce.

    Bluddee typical…

  64. brc

    @john – thanks for giving your version, I hope this connects all the dots.

    I’d like to point out that I stated several threads back that the most likely explanation for the ‘gun licence’ incident was that the topic was somehow revolving around shooting. I deduced this through occams razor – the simplest explanation of comments about a gun licence is in the context of a discussion about gun licences.

    That, and if the conversation had indeed been about threatening to kill, it would have been headline news.

    Turns out the only one to be remotely under threat was Skippy.

  65. John Coochey

    Hi John, pleased to see you are still alive and kicking.

    You may remember me from our chats about the domestic violence issue several years ago.

    Hope all is well. Amazing story about the “gun threat”.

    Julian

  66. dover_beach

    It appears John has conformed our worst suspicions. I wonder if climate scientists are given calculators with the following unique function: eleventy.

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  68. Call that a death threat?

    No, I did not.

    I would call him a “worrisome nutter who you wouldn’t want turning up at your office.”

    I am on the Readfern side of this – the abusive emails which I have no doubt have hit the inboxes of many climate scientists and which refer to wishing the recipients die might not be treated by many people – including police – as “death threats” worth worrying about.

    They are in any event – as with waving a noose at a public lecture – appalling behaviour designed to intimidate and upset the recipient.

    Instead of calling this out as appalling behaviour, participants here are more interested in criticising the recipients, which is what I find appalling.

    Christian Kerr: if you are going to do your job properly, I trust you will seek to speak to other witnesses in the room other than John Coochery.

    You might also ask for some detail from ANU about the earlier incidents (well before the period of the FOI request) which led to the change in location of the climate scientists.

  69. Andreas

    It is, of course, possible that this has gone through a game of chinese whispers to be elevated into a concerning event.

    I’m shocked, something to do with climate change going through a game of chinese whispers and being elevated into a concerning event, who would have thought, that’s never happened before.

  70. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    So – not even a ‘worriesome nutter’. A major cyclone in a teacup, no?

  71. brc

    Give it up Steve, you’ve lost this one in a canter.

    The criticism towards the recipients is directed towards them being barefaced liars who fabricated a story and didn’t even put in the legwork to make it remotely believable.

    When each of these complete, evidence-free untruths has been unpicked, you keep retreating further and further back to the point where we are no longer talking about death threats and secure locations, but to a point where some people had their feelings hurt. I assume that this line will be further retreated from, just like all the others have been.

    Then you have the arrogance to try and lecture a journalist on how to do their job properly, when sloppy journalism with no fact checking led to this entire charade in the first place.

  72. Rafe

    Steve, you are the most worriesome nutter on this site. But don’t go away, coz is a dead loss by comparison.

  73. jtfsoon

    Christian Kerr: if you are going to do your job properly, I trust you will seek to speak to other witnesses in the room other than John Coocher

    Yes Steve, I’m sure you’re qualified at telling one of Australia’s major political journos how to do his job from your tours of Pinkenba and hospitals

  74. Andreas

    I am on the Readfern side of this – the abusive emails which I have no doubt have hit the inboxes of many climate scientists

    The other day you went on about ‘hundreds, if not thousands’ of abusive emails, or some such. A pitiful handful of what could be called ‘robust’ emails have been presented. I’m sure it is a grain of sand to what Bolt has to put up with. But then he deserves it, doesn’t he?

  75. Rabz

    warmies are lying, hypocritical, smug, self-serving, mediocre, anti-scientific, fraudulent commie charlatans who have debased scientific enquiry, wasted billions of taxpayers’ dollars and abused and smeared their usually reasonable, evidence based detractors.

    Quite frankly I’m hopping mad about the fact that this utterly monstrous scam still hasn’t had a stake driven through its suppurating, sclerotic heart. It doesn’t seem to matter how much evidence there is that completely debunks the warmist morons and their preposterous fraudulent (untestable) hypothesis, they just will not let it go. They are extremely, unjustifiably and unforgivably proud (as are vile morons like ruff and dullard). As we all know, pride cometh before a fall.

    Therefore, these warmy scum deserve all the abuse they get and more. I want them to keep looking over their dandruff flecked shoulders and I want them to be wary of flogging the latest hysterical, fact and evidence free fraud.

    I’ve been hearing incessantly about this utter bollocks for well over two decades now and there is still not one definitive piece of evidence that supports any of this ‘catastrophic human induced climate change’ malarkey in any way, shape or form.

    What is becoming obvious however is because of this utter crap, people in the third world are being denied the right to economic development and that people in this country are hurting big time. My quarterly power bill in 1997 was $80. Now it is $420. That’s over a fivefold increase in just 15 years. If I wasn’t a high income earner, or I had a family to support, I’d probably be out there getting in the faces of the evil morons responsible this anti scientific, anti-progress and anti-human idiocy.

    In the meantime, harden up, you bedwetting apocalyptic pantywaists!

    P.S. Apologies for the length of this missive.

  76. Biota

    Yes Rabz!

    I’ve been around for six decades, living in the same region of OZ and weather has been same-same with the usual ups and downs. Add my mother’s additional seven decades of similar experience and there’s 130 years of accumulated experience. Obviously we have been very lucky to escape the GW ravages that must have occurred elsewhere.

    Look out the window people!

  77. Give it up Jason: no one would have guessed from the original Kerr report that the FOI request was very limited in time and in relation to the number of scientists covered as well.

    This is how it opened:

    CLAIMS that some of Australia’s leading climate change scientists were subjected to death threats as part of a vicious and unrelenting email campaign have been debunked by the Privacy Commissioner.

    In fact, it was only by reading Readfern that one would know the true extent and timing of the FOI request.

  78. Gab

    OMG. Stop embarrassing us Steve. Other people read this blog too.

  79. Rafe

    Come back coz, all is forgiven!

  80. Jim Rose

    if there was a criminal threat, does not ANU have a health and safety in employment statutory duty to manage it, in part, through calling the police?

  81. C.L.

    So it was a lie – an egregious, massive lie.

    What a surprise.

  82. C.L.

    Sorry Gab, but there are lots of crazy people in the world.

    Australia Day proved that many of them work in Julia Gillard’s office.

  83. Morris Minor

    So these guys can tell the future! Wow, Nostradamous eat that!

  84. cohenite

    Right; so the only ‘real’ death threat, that is the sharp-shooter with a gun licence, was really John discussing the culling of kangaroos.

    One can see the logical extension from that to mass hysteria of the convenient kind, amongst ‘climate scientists’ [my candidate for oxymoron of the year] about a barrage of ‘death-threats’, just as one can see the logical extension from the fact that CO2 can absorb, in a limited way energy from radiation of certain precise wavelengths, to a theory which says the world is going to blow up.

    The lessons from this are:

    1 Climate scientists are advocates who willingly and continually exaggerate and lie

    2 The greens are bastards.

  85. For all this condemnation of the use of “death threat” when referring to unsolicited emails which express the hope that the recipient dies, Catallaxy likes to play loose with the terminology when it suits:

    The ClimateGate team have been trying to strip Pat Michaels of his PhD. This is the same crowd that was threatening physical violence:

    Next time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I’ll be tempted to beat the crap out of him. Very tempted.

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2011/12/03/ironing-out-error-ii/

    That email was between two scientists; Michaels was not aware of it. “Threatening physical violence” was obviously gilding the lily; but I suppose it’s OK when it coming from the “right” side.

  86. brc

    Steve – you give it up. You’ve been handed a major defeat by the evidence. Go off an fight some other losing battle somewhere.

    There was no death threats. When challenged to provide evidence, there were zero emails. When challenged that there were zero emails, someone comes up with the ‘gun licence’ story.

    When the gun licence story is uncovered, it is, as predicted, a completely different discussion with zero context linking to climate science. In fact, it turns out that the discussion was, wait for it, about guns. Talking about guns and shooting in the context of culling roos would be acceptable even if the Queen was in on the conversation. In fact, it would be inhumane to cull roos with people who are a bad shot, hence the licensing.

    There never were any death threats, just some unpleasant emails. You can dance and point and obfuscate and throw unicorns out by the dozen, but this simple fact doesn’t change. The entire story was not only a complete beat up, it was a complete and utter lie.

    As usual, climate ‘scientists’ have been caught in the web of their lies and deceit, and have suffered a series of own goals. It’s a very repeatable pattern, one which betrays what is rotten at the heart of the entire AGW scare industry – scares and stories are all they have, there are no facts underpinning the entire edifice.

  87. Winston Smith

    Go away SoB.
    Nobody likes you because you are a liar who tells lies.

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  89. Abu Chowdah

    Steve has the balls to advise Christian Kerr on balance and thoroughness. What a monumental hypocritical sore loser tit you are, steve.

  90. kae

    I’d specifically force them to register it with the police as well.

    And they’d laugh you out of the place.

  91. Bulldust Abu: there was absolutely nothing balanced in Kerr’s initial report.

    He reported as if the FOI request was the be all and end all of what had gone on there. It had all been “debunked”.

    It clearly wasn’t.

  92. dover_beach

    This thread should be renamed: The dog ate my conscience.

  93. Abu Chowdah

    I’m talking about YOU. You have history here, you butt hurt sore loser.

  94. kae

    Last person that did it where I worked ended up jumping under a train

    Did what?

    Jumping under a train doesn’t qualify as murder.

    D’ya think s/he may have done that to get away from your terminal leftist-stupid?

  95. Tiny Dancer

    Correction. Steve is devoid of balls

  96. JC

    Right; so the only ‘real’ death threat, that is the sharp-shooter with a gun licence, was really John discussing the culling of kangaroos.

    The Chubbster owes the freaking country an apology.

    I’m not kidding. He should apologize and resign.

  97. dover_beach

    Tiny, I think Abu meant to say gall.

  98. JC

    Wow. I just read the account.

    I feel I can throw some light on this matter as I am undoubtedly the person who is alleged to have shown my gun licence to people at the dinner. That is not accurate. At the mediocre dinner on the first day I was approached by Dr Maxine Cooper, then the Commissioner for the environment, who recognized me as someone involved in the kangaroo culling program in the ACT which occurs each winter. After politely asking if she could sit next to me she asked me how I had gone in the recent licence test which is challenging. I told her I had topped it with a perfect score and showed her my current culling licence, not gun licence, to prove it. The conversation around the table then drifted around the benefits of eating game meat v the poor fare on offer.

    John Coochey

    11 May 12 at 7:07 am

    So the CAT strikes again in getting to the truth and refusing to believe bullshit at face value.

    What a great site this is.

    I repeat

    Ian Chubb now needs to resign. If there are any senior Libs reading this you will have to think carefully about wanting this person in any senior role either at the university or working for the government after the next election.

    It seems to me that this current government surrounds itself with the worst types.. the real low slung dregs of our nation. Absolutely amazing.

  99. Infidel Tiger

    Ian Chubb should be presented with a neck tie and the keys to ladies restroom.

  100. cohenite

    I’ve been thinking about this and John’s reasonable description of kangaroo culling.

    The only explanation which fits the facts is that the climate scientists are either fucking kangaroos or, fucking kangaroos.

    Nothing else would explain why they would feel threatened by his comments.

  101. Poor Old Rafe

    JC you get up at 4 in the afternoon?
    No early worms for you mate:

  102. JC

    hahahhaha No Rafe… I was actually up pretty early this morn. I didn’t read up-thread until now as I saw Christian Kerr’s request for John C to email him and was curious what that was about.

    It then hit me like a brick.

    Before reading John C’s account, i honestly thought there was smoke with the fire. If John C’s account is to be believed and I see no reason why not at this stage, those turds simply lied their heads off.

    If this isn’t academic/professional misconduct I don’t know what is. It’s really serious stuff and it appears to me that Ian Chubb, the nation’s so-called chief scientist was either in the middle, orchestrating it, or simply didn’t verify evidence to the allegations. In any case either is serious.

    Now Chubb could have say provided those drama queens more security and done so silently to give the impression of taking preventative steps, but that of course is not what occurred and he should therefore resign. Of course the current government wouldn’t ask for his immediate resignation, but the Libs should on the first day they are in government. That should also include any duties at the ANU. They also need to seriously consider the standing of the drama queens that instigated this too.

  103. I have waited, patiently, for seven hours. My comment is still in moderation.

    It contains no death threats.

    Please release my comment.

  104. I did a graph once at my blog confirming the relationship between being a gun lover and climate change skepticism.

    See how much it is being confirmed today?

    I also suspect that a medical examination of Gab would confirm she is actually intersex due to having a prostate gland which she has not noticed til now. And it’s enlarged.

  105. Cos: Or a “fckn load of pseudo scaremongering turds” who should “all fck off to yr beloved europe where their economies are fckd because of stupid schemes like yours and leave us to run this great country as it should be..” [Doc 2] – OK by me.

  106. JC you’re the world’s biggest bloviator. You need your own 6 hour radio show a day.

  107. Gab

    I also suspect that a medical examination of Gab would confirm she is actually intersex due to having a prostate gland which she has not noticed til now. And it’s enlarged.

    Ahh, that’s what you suspect, so is that why you keep wanting to send me photos of you?

  108. Gab

    You need your own 6 hour radio show a day.

    Excellent idea, but JC just promise me when you get your show the first person you interview will be Swan. Deal?

  109. JC

    Perhaps I should Steve. However it doesn’t take away the fact that if my impressions are correct, then there needs to be a few resignations forced or otherwise.

    When the nation’s chief scientist appears to me to engage in this sort of activity and give voice to this level of inaccuracy …. which could have been easily verified.. then he has no standing left to hold that position or senior positions at the ANU.

    Perhaps he was acting honestly, in that he believed death threats were made, however he never verified the accusations. That’s not what a chief scientist does. A clown would do that. A chubby one at that too.

  110. .

    I did a graph once at my blog confirming the relationship between being a gun lover and climate change skepticism.

    Grow a brain, buy a gun.

  111. JC

    Excellent idea, but JC just promise me when you get your show the first person you interview will be Swan. Deal?

    Sure Gab. As long as it’s a locked room and he can’t leave until I decide.

    There are numerous questions I would like to get to going as far back as the Godwin G saga. For example I really want to get to the bottom of accusations that car dealer in Queensland were getting special deals. Denial won’t be accepted as an answer.

  112. coz

    Come back coz, all is forgiven!

    Not on a climate change thread, that stuff bores me.

  113. Winston Smith

    Jo Nova for Chief Scientist, with a brief to clear the AGW scum from all our institutions.

  114. JC

    If there are any senior libs reading this…

    You really do need to fully investigate Ian Chubb’s behavior and activities in this story along with others that are funded through taxpayer money.

    If your findings suggest misconduct by any of these people involved you would be doing the taxpayer a serious disservice by not cutting off all benefits such as paid in retirement benefits etc.

    People in the private sector at the executive lose all their benefits resulting from gross misconduct. The same should also occur in the public sector, as it more than fair.

    Of course this is not a policy to announce before the elections. You can do it after, certain you have public support behind you.

  115. Enkl

    Moderators, some of the comments in this thread detract from the discussion. We would have been well served if you had not let them through.

  116. Cory Olsen

    Remove climate change funding and associated depts…

    Then you’ll find the misconduct will evaporate :D

    (you may find them misappropriating centrelink benefits in future though).

  117. Tiny Dancer

    Steve, how’s the eavesdropping on mental patients going these days?

  118. brc

    I notice Steve went from trying to keep pushing the death threat angle to hurling insults the moment the game was up.

  119. Peter Patton

    “Climate change” has become the new “terra nullius”. A discourse for thick, ill-informed, and unethical school teachers and academics to hide the fact they are thick, ill-informed, and unethical, by shaking down the taxpayers for billions to fund their latest leftist fad. “Climate justice” anybody?

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  121. Peter Patton

    I read one Law journal article where a Professor was banging on about how the worst thing about the stolen generations was that it led to indigenous people being able to claim native title!

  122. LMAO. I’m tired of living in PC riddled blighty.

    Anyone got a job in OZ for a qualified engineer turned website editor/climate blogger?

  123. Andreas

    The only explanation which fits the facts is that the climate scientists are either fucking kangaroos or, fucking kangaroos.

    Maybe they’re so in sympathy with nature that a threat to kangaroos is a threat to them personally. Or something.

    I took the showing gun licence/”I’m a good shot” thing semi-seriously, it’s hilarious it’s turned out to be so completely innocent. I’ve learnt my lesson: start with the assumption that anything a ‘climate scientist’ tells you is wrong, then work from there.

  124. jupes

    Check out how this was reported on Radio Australia. As you would expect it was reported as if the claims are legitimate. Some of the report could even be a tad untruthful.

    An excerpt:

    They include an email describing a physical threat to use a gun against an academic because the conference participant reportedly disagreed with the climate change research.

    No doubt Blankets Holmes will be all over this like a rash.

  125. tony thomas

    No-one yet has noted the actual context of the ANU “deliberative democracy” exercise wherein the fabled ‘death threat’ occurred.
    See http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2012/05/grossly-graphic-gun-play-in-goulburn
    An extract:
    If the 2050 OzClim scenario for Goulburn/ACT is super-scary, the 2100 scenario makes Gore’s “Inconvenient Truth” movie look wussy. Animated maps show growing angry red blots of high temperatures and low rainfalls engulfing Marulan, Tallong, Towrang, Bungonia, Windellama, Lake Bathurst and Tarago. By 2100 Goulburn will have a climate roughly equivalent to Queensland’s Warwick, Goondiwindi and Cunnamulla. The farmers’ livestock and crop production tumbles 20%. Picturesque stands of redgum evaporate. Even by 2050 Goulburnians are beset by heat-caused heart attacks (up 38%), food and water-borne diseases, unsafe drinking water, food poisoning, reduced fresh foods and respiratory attacks from dust storms.[15]

    All too much information for the herd, which included Percy our gun-man. As the email shows, he went AWOL for a day, turned up for the Friday dinner (as one does), flashed his gun licence while bragging about his aim, and was banned from the delights of Day 3 of the seminar. We get hints of the excitement even in the boring old research paper: etc

  126. boy on a bike

    Hmmm. I think I owe Mr Coochey a slab of beer.

  127. JC

    Hey, the Cat has made it into Bishop Hill

    Biota.. the Cat is going to rival the New Times any day now.

  128. brc

    @biota yes I went and posted a comment just for fun, because I know how much the idea of shooting roos upsets the average pommie. I saw a demonstration in downtown London one day where a bunch of useless idiots were protesting that Sainsbury’s were selling roo meat, and that it was cruel and blah blah blah. I think Sainsburys welshed and pulled the meat and denied many pomsters decent protein at an affordable price.

  129. mondo

    I was the first sceptic referred to in the updates – the one that was “stressed”. That is a correct description. What I was stressed about was the incredibly manipulative way in which the so-called “forum” was conducted.

    For example, Messrs Steffen and his team delivered presentations on various aspects of climate change. We were not allowed to ask questions, or to challenge the multifarious false statements made. Instead, we broke out into groups, with the idea that a group could ask a question. Of course, each group was dominated by “warmists”, and the lone sceptic in each group was a) abused, b) derided, c) not listened to.

    The result was that Steffen and co were presented with soft questions that were based largely on ill-informed views, convenient to the organisers.

    It is true that I was feeling stressed. But the reason was because while this was billed as an open-ranging discussion, in fact it was a tightly choreographed, manipulative discussion designed to capture an outcome favourable to the warmists. In no way was it a fair discussion.

    All this soon became clear to me, and it was evident to me that it was fruitless and pointless to stay. I explained my issue to the organiser, and then left.

    I met John Coochey at the forum. He is a knowledgeable and capable person, and I trust his account of the events relating to his gun license.

  130. boy on a bike: seconded. mondo: thanks. The truth will out.

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  132. DirkH

    Note to self: When around warmists, don’t mention you own a car. They might expect you to run them over. Which makes sense, given the precautionary principle that is at the very heart of warmist science.

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  134. Louis Hissink

    Andrew Bolt linked to a deltoid blog on this topic – my my, the Deltoiders must be on something illegal or some other strong stimulant. On the other hand it might also be normal for them.

  135. Some interesting work on the Canberra airport and nearby Rutherglen temperature records here:
    http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=447

  136. Camera goes *Click*

    I always act on my email threats if I am ignored. Usual result is a Court application, but then again, that is what I threatened in the first place!

    Love how this was beaten up into a media circus.

    If it was made to a real estate salesman, would it have got 1 single journo / politician’s interest?

    I (and a large number of collegues) work in a highly controversial and public job, and receive “death threats” like the one made at that ANU dinner everyday.

    I (and my collegues) am required to report these threats, and am often assked if I (we) want to be moved to ‘secure premises’ or have other precautions taken to ensure my (our) safety. Not once has this offer been taken up by any of us.

    Why?

    Because the threats are so rarely followed through by their makers that I (and my collegues) have more chance of winning Tattslotto than suffering any injury as a result of the threats.

    The ANU Warmenista scientists have fudged these “threats” in the same way they have fudged their “data” to “prove” AGW… It’s a crock, and should be treated as such.

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  139. kae

    You might want to catch the expose of the death threatened sooks, sorry don’t remember which program they’re on, ABC tonight.

    Or not.

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