Midweek forum: May 23, 2012 at Catallaxy Files

Midweek forum: May 23, 2012

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Win!

twostix

23 May 12 at 12:20 am
Stalinist Lee Rhiannon hates Paul Howes and has a swipe at him on twitter:

.@howespaul: You’re what’s wrong with the union movement http://zite.to/JP9ur3 writes .@SimonCopland #auspol @

Nothing like a leftist VS leftist scrag to see true hate.

twostix

23 May 12 at 12:26 am
I like this clip that goes to explain the most important colour on world maps.The pink bits .

Splatacrobat

23 May 12 at 12:29 am
Stix

Howes is a leftie, but I see in his travels through life that he’s basically getting to be better at understanding things. Of course he’s a union idiot and thinks ripping off firms is a good thing, but he’s not as rabid as he used to be.

He also is a moderate for that side of the fence and the more there are the better. But most importanly, we of course have our differences with Paul in terms of how the pie should be split, but it doesn’t appear we have an argument with him that the pie should be made smaller. That’s a good start in my mind and he should be treated differently.

If the stalinist Rhiannon doesn’t like him.. well that’s a good thing in my mind. That Greenslime needs to be totally destroyed and buried politically and I don’t mind Howes helping out.

JC

23 May 12 at 12:32 am
Howes was actually on 2Gb with Steve Price hours ago. He was extolling the great Germany and their high regulation and high unionization. He basically said we have to through out all our most common conceptions about economics and the marketplace in order to cure our woes.

I wouldn’t say he’s been fully converted yet.

Alex Pundit

23 May 12 at 12:34 am
Howes has helped destroy Labor by being behind the coup against Rudd. He might be a closet liberal?

Samuel J

23 May 12 at 12:50 am
No, Samuel J. No closet Liberal, even under the deepest cover, would allow the sort of collateral damage that destroying Rudd has allowed to come about.

Leaving Rudd in place would in its own right have ensured a whacking at the Polls. Labor was stumbling at least, possibly dying, and having a female leader to put forward against Abbott (who dared not attack her as he would Rudd, lest it completely derail the legitimacy of his criticisms) gave it a propagandic breath of fresh air and let it stagger across the line.

A true Liberal under deep cover would have done their utmost to ensure that he stayed where he was and got his comeuppance at Abbott’s hands.

perturbed

23 May 12 at 1:10 am
Howes has helped destroy Labor by being behind the coup against Rudd. He might be a closet liberal?

Nah, just the prototypical 21st century Labor / Union apparatchik.

Totally hopeless, never held a job, never lived outside of the closed, toxic leftist “movement” but sure he knows everything about everything.

twostix

23 May 12 at 1:10 am
James Dellingpole.. goes after the leftist arseholes at the ABC and cuts into flesh…. wear gumboots as there’s lots of blood around.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/green-left-climate-change-bias-easy-as-abc/story-e6frgd0x-1226363902728

JC

23 May 12 at 1:17 am
I wouldn’t say he’s been fully converted yet.

Okay okay.. He’s taken a few baby steps then.

But he’s on the right track as seeing the enemy is the greenslime. That’s good.

JC

23 May 12 at 1:18 am
Rasmussen poll : Obama 46, Romney 44

Just saying…

WadeJ

23 May 12 at 1:24 am
And if you haven’t heard the very unprofessional Jon Faine mocking and interrupting Delingpole, and being down right rude, you can listen here.

Gab

23 May 12 at 1:29 am
Unemployment figure closer to 10% according to Roy Morgan. Link here.

William Blake

23 May 12 at 1:32 am
No, no, Mr Nicholson, I disagree – they were some of the defences employed by Thomson.

Gab

23 May 12 at 1:37 am
oops…link

Gab

23 May 12 at 1:38 am
Sarah Palin responds to GOP operatives willing to ‘take things off the table’ for the sake of the left’s idea of (one-sided) ‘civility’:

“Some of these GOP operatives, Sean, seem to have the fighting instinct of Mr. Snuffleupagus.”

C.L.

23 May 12 at 1:39 am
With those pursed lips resembling a cat’s bottom, Jonathan Holmes tut-tuts at the wrong organisation:

Jonathan Holmes on ABC1′s Media Watch takes exception to Monday’s editorial:

MAYBE The Australian will provide me with space to respond on its own pages. I don’t want to take up your time with disputes about who are, and who aren’t, in The Australian’s bizarre words “closed-minded thinkers and zealots impervious to fact”.

Not our words Jonathan . . . from Monday’s editorial:

SINCE Media Watch is a stickler for plagiarism, we disclose that those are the words and sentiments of the ABC’s longest-serving chairman, Richard Boyer.

Gab

23 May 12 at 1:45 am
Ahahahahahahaha:

Half-brother refuses to support Craig Thomson.

CRAIG Thomson’s credibility has suffered a further blow, with witnesses including his half-brother failing to back his claim he was set up with prostitutes.

The unravelling of his claims comes as the Herald Sun can report police have visited two Melbourne sex establishments in their investigation of the MP.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 1:45 am
To my knowledge, Thomson has not explained why anyone in the union was “out to get him”. You’d think he would be able to explain that at least.

Gab

23 May 12 at 1:49 am
Duntroon-trained Andrew Wilkie once again displays the stoic perseverence, principle and bravery that made him one of the ADF’s best-known desk-jockeys:

Wilkie to back watered-down pokies laws.

Mr Wilkie says he gives the Government his “reluctant” support.

“I make this announcement reluctantly and I’ll give the Government’s bill reluctant support,” he said.

And…

Wilkie won’t support Thomson censure.

INDEPENDENT MP Andrew Wilkie has changed his mind about supporting a censure motion against Craig Thomson.

This afternoon fellow independent Rob Oakeshott told Parliament he planned to bring in a motion censuring Mr Thomson, who was one of the subjects of a Fair Work Australia (FWA) investigation report into the Health Services Union…

At the time, Mr Wilkie said he would second the censure motion.

But later on today he said he had decided not to support it at all.

“Having the opportunity to take senior legal advice I have decided not to support the motion,” he said.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 2:06 am
Gab,
he was set upon because he was trying to clean up the place (HSU) and the charges are due to entrenched and crooked interests trying to protect their turf. I think that was what he was on about yesterday, though it was hard to follow at times as he wandered. Probably by design come to think of it.

Frank

23 May 12 at 2:09 am
Simply beyond parody…

DRUDGE:

LA TIMES sifts through old lawsuit to find — details on Ann Romney’s ‘pricey’ horse hobby…

Ann Romney and dressage: A pricey private world.

Has to be read to be believed.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 2:19 am
Also via DRUDGE…

They could have been Obama’s sons:

HORROR: Mob of 20 ‘hooded blacks’ storm UK pub, drag man out, stab him to death….

C.L.

23 May 12 at 2:23 am
The LA Times has the scoop: The Romneys are loaded and live accordingly! Who knew?

Oh come on

23 May 12 at 2:34 am
The guy’s worth, what? A quarter of a bil or more? The media (and wider) reaction to even the slightest evidence of this wealth – which everyone knows exists – is simply preposterous. Like that time when Mitt said something about his wife’s two Cadillac SUVs. In response to this, the MSM lit up like a Christmas tree. You’d think he’d gone to a refugee camp in sub-Saharan Africa and set a fistful of $100 notes on fire, then blown the smoke from this into the faces of starving infants; and not that his wife owned a couple of not-cheap-but-not-wildly-expensive cars.

Yes, Romney’s rich. This is not new or surprising information. Can we move on, please?

Oh come on

23 May 12 at 2:49 am
Thompson lied to ALP caucus…

Fairfax goes after him…

A stunning account of utterly shameless lying:

Email shows MP misled caucus.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 2:51 am
Duntroon-trained Andrew Wilkie once again displays the stoic perseverence, principle and bravery that made him one of the ADF’s best-known desk-jockeys:

LOLOL Every army needs well-trained staff officers, it is true… but as 2nd Ypres (1915) and March 21st 1918 showed, even in a set-piece non-guerilla land war* it’s possible for the rear areas to become the front line with horrifying rapidity.

I suspect Mr Wilkie thought he’d found himself the political equivalent of a rear-area sinecure, safe in the knowledge that he held the upper hand and would never have to make a decision that might either make him or break him in the ensuing clash of ~~swords~~ ballot boxes. SURPRISE!

* = Land war because for all that aircraft made their mark in photo recon, artillery control, air superiority and light attack, moving troops through the 3rd dimension wasn’t a feature of WW1 and resupplying them that way was an innovation only realised towards the end, in limited form… by the Brits and Aussies.

perturbed

23 May 12 at 3:33 am
CL I read that thing about Ann Romney and her dressage. I’d love to see a series of hit pieces on lefty wives and their occupational therapy tips.

You know, like the First Wookie and how to cook puppies in a way that doesn’t put on weight. I’m sure she’d be all over that one.

nilk

23 May 12 at 6:17 am
the First Wookie

Doesn’t she have an expensive holiday habit?

Taxpayer funded, too.

Eddystone

23 May 12 at 6:31 am
Of course this is preposterous, Kerry’s wife was worth more than Romeny…and he was a gaffe prone deadshit who couldn’t even beat Bush.

.

23 May 12 at 6:32 am
Who would’ve guessed? Anyone with a bit of common sense, that’s who. Some months back, I expressed sceptic ism about GM crops, especially the idea that making them resistant to Roundup was a good long term idea. (Surely the weeds would just grow resistance to it, then what do u do?).

Anyway, it is indeed happening, and, wrItes Nature:

Researchers are also wary of engaging in a continuing arms race with nature. “A number of analysts feel that such an approach is short sighted and doomed to fail,” says agronomist Matt Liebman of Iowa State University in Ames. The chief worry is that new herbicide blends will accelerate the emergence of resistance to multiple chemicals.

http://www.nature.com/news/war-on-weeds-loses-ground-1.10691

But yay for Monsanto, hey?

Steve from brisbane

23 May 12 at 7:14 am
Just because the greens are awful doesnt make Howes policy suggestions reasonable.

He had one good point in his press club address yesterday; basically that jobs shouldnt be sacrificed for green idiocy.

All his other points were the usual protectionist and socialist talking points.

Cory Olsen

23 May 12 at 7:20 am
Anyway, it is indeed happening

Researchers are also wary

A number of analysts feel

The chief worry is that

More BS than stock recommendations from a retail broker.

.

23 May 12 at 7:21 am
Look – Mitt’s dog! It’s on the roof! Look – Bain Capital! Banksters! Look – free contraception! Look – #WarOnWomen! Look – blokes marrying blokes! On fast trains!

Look! Ann Romney! — she’s on a horse!

#AnythingButTheEconomy

sdog

23 May 12 at 7:34 am
As I said on the previous thread, the right should respond to same-sex-marriage by throwing out the act and introduce customisation. This would allow, for example, fault; fixed terms; strong pre-nups; polygamy, SSM, etc. Whatever arrangements adults want to come to with each other. Family court would need a cleanout.

Essentially dump ‘marriage’ as the state does it now and go to a new, spivved up version of civil unions.

The end result would be that the vast majority would move to whatever the new ‘standard’ was.

Adam Kane

23 May 12 at 7:46 am
Eddystone, she has an incredibly expensive holiday habit, and expensive taste all round.

She’s crass and lowbrow all the way, but at least she can entertain us occasionally.

nilk

23 May 12 at 7:50 am
This is the day that China took over. It refuses to fund Europe and has decided it wants to have the World’s reserve currency.

JC, it looks like you might take a haircut on Apple and Facebook. If Morgan Stanley goes down, and Apple collapses the US stock market will be in very bad shape.

John Comnenus

23 May 12 at 8:11 am
Fun for all…

Rabz

23 May 12 at 8:40 am
@SOb, so it’s back to drawing board for new herbicides and mechanical weeding… big deal.

Cory Olsen

23 May 12 at 9:24 am
So Steve your suggestion is that we all starve to death or learn to eat weeds, I don’t think you’ll getting thanked by the “battlers” for that one? (maybe we could genetically modify weeds to be tasty and less poisonous)
It’s also a just that little bit warped too, since plants have been engaging in chemical/genetic warfare with animals and other plants, well, since animals and other plants. You’re suggesting that it’s not alright for us (you know creatures of the Earth) to engage in the the standard practises of other creatures of the Earth because otherwise new creatures of the Earth might evolve or others change to enhance their chances of survival. Like all sytems Steve, if it ain’t placed under pressure you won’t find it’s failure point until it’s too late.

Simon

23 May 12 at 9:49 am
Rabz 23 May 12 at 8:40 am

Fun for all…

I wonder if Google keeps metrics as to how long the world spends playing with this today…

Steve D

23 May 12 at 9:53 am
Thompson lied to ALP caucus…

Fairfax goes after him…

A stunning account of utterly shameless lying:

Don’t fall for the narrative building though CL, you watch, it’s going to be “Labor are just as much a victim of Thompsons lies as you are”…”but he must stay in parliament anyway!”

twostix

23 May 12 at 9:58 am
Federal Police: Thompson lied.

CLAIMS that Craig Thomson and his family were subjected to anonymous death threats have been challenged by the Australian Federal Police, which says none of the material brought to its attention “contains any direct threat against Mr Thomson”.

AFP say emails did not contain direct threat against Thomson.

Looks like he’s now getting tips from climate ‘scientists.’

It has now been proven beyond doubt that Thompson lied to Parliament but the ‘independents’ – the Old Lezzo, Old Baloon Eyes and the Duntroon Nazi – have said they will protect him from any censure. New paradigm.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 10:06 am
When will your lying stop, Labor, when?

Gab

23 May 12 at 10:09 am
Hey, where’s IT: given the inflows to Perth dams shown here, he’ll be living in Melbourne and chasing imaginary squirrels soon.

By the way, nothing to do with climate change, I guess…

steve from brisbane

23 May 12 at 10:12 am
I’ll claim this as my find:

Home Movie: Jackie Kennedy and Her Family With Horses.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 10:16 am
Wow. Why even bother with any checks at all?

ASYLUM seekers released on bridging visas are getting a “lighter touch” ASIO security clearance before being freed into the community, it has been revealed.

Estimates hearings have been told asylum seekers are asked “their identity, their story” and their reason to travel to Australia.

Australia’s security agency runs a check on their name and if no matches show the person can be released pending a complete ASIO check.

Gab

23 May 12 at 10:19 am
Obama spokesman: Bain Capital work makes Romney a rapist.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 10:19 am
By the way, nothing to do with climate change, I guess…

Climate always changes. Flows go up and down over all sorts of timescales.

No evidence it has anything to do with minute increases in co2, I think you were trying to say.

brc

23 May 12 at 10:21 am
Rex Nutting: Obama spending binge never happened, Government outlays rising at slowest pace since 1950s

I don’t know if he necessarily deserves credit for that however.

Alex Pundit

23 May 12 at 10:26 am
Seriously, what is it with Thommo – with the entire party?

Do they think people don’t/won’t check what they say?

To paraphrase Sting, everything you do, everything you say, I will be ROFL at how easily you’re caught out and how deeper you make the hole by trying to bluster your way out of it.

James in Melbourne

23 May 12 at 10:28 am
Bolt seems to like Howes – says he considers him a ‘friend’ and an ‘honest man’ Howes has even said that Bolt is a ‘decent man’, despite Howes being ‘vehemently opposed to his politics’.

I’m sure this sort of ‘friendship’ is enough for the former KGB operative to hate Howes – according to her you must hate the enemy, not fraternise with them.

Still, Bolt thinks that Howes is s’lowly becoming a sensible conservative’, but is ‘yet to realise or admit it’. Not sure about that – Bolt’s projecting a bit.

papachango

23 May 12 at 10:55 am
Alex, I read the link, but don’t understand the results – as in, WTF?
Have we been misled or is it just another acconting trick like the NBN being ‘offbook’

Winston SMITH

23 May 12 at 10:56 am
acconting = accounting.
Bloody ‘ell.

Winston SMITH

23 May 12 at 10:57 am
Elaborate Winston.

Alex Pundit

23 May 12 at 11:11 am
Thanks for that horse movie link, CL. Jackie was a very good rider, had grown up with it, and introduced her kids to it asap. Nice scenes.

blogstrop

23 May 12 at 11:17 am
Carr rejects Corby ‘deal’ with Indonesia

FOREIGN Minister Bob Carr has rejected reports Australia negotiated a deal with Indonesia for the early release of convicted drug smuggler Schapelle Corby.

I don’t believe him at all.

Gab

23 May 12 at 11:19 am
Brothels and standard operating procedures:

Brothels are a business, not a charity. They take financial security incredibly seriously. They can’t afford for profits to be challenged by every married client simply because his wife finally finds out what’s on his credit card statement. The Driver’s Licence number is our way of saying – “This man was visually identified before any charges were made on his card”. I’m not the only receptionist who declined a booking simply because a client had a credit card, but no concrete proof that it was his. No Licence, no passport, no proof of ID – no nooky. It’s a risk we’re not prepared to take.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/brothel_receptionist_tells_why_wed_want_thomsons_drivers_licence/

Gab

23 May 12 at 11:32 am
JC, it looks like you might take a haircut on Apple and Facebook. If Morgan Stanley goes down, and Apple collapses the US stock market will be in very bad shape.

JC

don’t be silly Morgan Stanley is not going down. Let me guess where that came from? Zero hedge?

Stop listening to that lunatic freaking Russian.

JC

23 May 12 at 11:33 am
JC do you really have stock in FB?

Wow, just wow.

.

23 May 12 at 11:36 am
No of course not. I never ever trade in IPO’s as it’s a golden rule of mine.

I’m small fry so if it’s a hot issue the chances of me getting any stock is zero, so you only get lumbered with dogs as no one else wants that.

I told Gab on issue night that I might consider buying some and only some at around 25 bucks. It closed at 31.

the reason it’s a shitty issue is that Zuckerberg is an arsehole and didn’t want to leave a cent on the table for other investors.

the I-bankers should have walked away from this as it was always going to be a bad deal with him at the helm. They were going to get fucked. I hate zuckerberg.

JC

23 May 12 at 11:42 am
I have no idea why Bolt is so enamoured with Howes, Papchango. Perhaps they have some history during Bolt’s ALP days.

Paul Howes, taking the populist approach, lacking commercial experience as he’s been in the “employ” of the union since he was 17 yo, now tells bankers how to run their business:

Banks ‘need to be pulled into line’…

Australian banks should be forced to mirror the movements of Reserve Bank interest rates when setting their own lending rates.

Perhaps banks should just be nationalised, eh what, Paul?

Gab

23 May 12 at 11:50 am
The RBA don’t even necessarily intend for that to happen. The cash rate is what they offer but not necessarily what they target.

MV = PY, bank and money multipliers (the latter is smaller than the former) and all that – irrelevant for Howes.

.

23 May 12 at 11:57 am
JC,

Zerohedge have good coverage of Zuck de Fuck and the facefuck IPO.

.

23 May 12 at 11:58 am
Australian banks should be forced to mirror the movements of Reserve Bank interest rates when setting their own lending rates.

You can force them to set rates, but you can’t force them to actually lend money at that rate.

…wait, maybe you can. Community Re-Investment Acts, and the like. *sigh*

Fleeced

23 May 12 at 12:00 pm
@gab It’s astounding how many people are unable to grasp the concept that banks would lower their interest rates if they could.

All these socialists that moan about banks making a profit. Try having some unprofitable banks around and see how that works out.

Honestly. Every kook from idiot socialist class warriors like Howes to supposedly conservative but really misdireted state interventionists like One Nation always think everything would be just rosy if money was free. They always come up with a case where a certain industry or asset class should get zero or at least below market interest rates. While they can usually grasp the concept that if you force the market price of apples below the cost of growing apples, you’ll run out of apples, they can’t grasp that forcing the market price of money to zero or below the going rate will result in a shortage of money, otherwise known as a recession or depression. They can’t work out that if you give one industry access to free funds, then that industry will form a bubble and all other industries will be starved of funds. They just have no idea at all.

Interest rates should just be left where they are. I’m glad that the RBA has little influence in setting rates.

Anyways. Bolt is a dreadful judge of character. Look at all the fawning he did over Gillard back in the day. Like most in the media, they try too hard to be nice to people in the hope of getting some exclusives.

brc

23 May 12 at 12:01 pm
Richard Fidler’s “Conversations” on ABC radio is usually interesting, and I have always felt he was a good host. Today he’s blotted the copybook in a big way, with his guest, Joe McGuinness.
This guy is the one who moved in next door to Sarah Palin – an act of unbelievable stalkerdom – and has made it his life to try and tear her down. His book is a catalogue of how crook she is, and Fidler seemed to go along with everything he says. He was most sympathetic.
It accuses her of corruption, vindictiveness, ignorance, and even goes into Andrew Sullivan territory with the Trig saga. That’s it for Fidler, as far as I’m concerned. Let’s see if he’d like to participate in a similar attempted demolition of Obama. They finish up the show saying America dodged a bullet. Really? Obama got elected didn’t he?

blogstrop

23 May 12 at 12:02 pm
Good to hear that Australia is fully embracing US style fascism at our airports and then adding an extra layer of homestyle fascism.

Both parties agree we need full body scanners and as an added bonus you can’t opt to be frisked instead. If you refuse the scan, you can’t fly.

Of couse profiling of muzzies is still verboten.

Infidel Tiger

23 May 12 at 12:07 pm
All these socialists that moan about banks making a profit.

Heh. That’s because brothels are not a charity but banks should be. {Endorsed by all unions of Australia}.

Gab

23 May 12 at 12:10 pm
Paul Howes… now tells bankers how to run their business. Banks ‘need to be pulled into line’…

Australian banks should be forced to mirror the movements of Reserve Bank interest rates when setting their own lending rates

Trouble is, the supposedly ‘classical liberal’ Joe Hockey agrees with Howes.

papachango

23 May 12 at 12:14 pm
Yes JC, from Zero Hedge.

Crazy Russians eh? I can’t see how facebook earns enough money from advertising to justify $100 bil. I can’t see them extracting fee for service either. It will be interesting to see where facebook goes.

We will see what happens to JPM.

John Comnenus

23 May 12 at 12:15 pm
This 11 yo kid is amazing. Good on him for his foray into business but he should listen to Uncle JC when it comes to shares:

Fifth-grader Sam Lesser is one of a long line of average-Joe investors who still do not know if their orders for Facebook shares have been filled – three days after he plunked down $10,000 on the company.

“They are holding my money hostage,” said Lesser, a student at The Town private school who lives on New York’s Upper East Side.

The stock trader’s dreams of owning a small slice of Facebook turned into a nightmare Friday, when he and his mother found out his order for 300 shares may not have been filled due to Nasdaq computer glitches.

Lesser – who likes to play football and tennis when he is not playing the stock market – anted up $10,000 by using the profits from the small business he started, called SML Networks.

His company sells bracelets and skateboards, mostly to classmates and neighbors.

“It’s really disappointing, because we could have made money on this,” he said.

He would know. Lesser owns a stake in Apple – which he bought when he was five years old. He will not say how much it is worth.

it’s like seeing a little JC back in the early days.

Gab

23 May 12 at 12:19 pm
Gab – fascinating insight into brothel operating procedures, not an area I have any expertise on. I would have thought having to hand over drivers licences and be visually identified would put a lot of customers off, or mean they’d rather pay cash instead.

Unless you’re not married and don’t give a rats what anyone thinks, I would have thought you’d always pay cash. That’s the one thing about the Thomson saga that doesn’t sit right, especially since he made at least $100k in unaccounted withdrawals

papachango

23 May 12 at 12:23 pm
I don’t think anyone can accuse Thomson of being smart, Papa.

Gab

23 May 12 at 12:29 pm
…as an added bonus you can’t opt to be frisked instead

I hope CL isn’t too disappointed..

steve from brisbane

23 May 12 at 12:30 pm
lol from Steve to CL….

Gab

23 May 12 at 12:33 pm
What is it about Labor MP’s and sex workers?

A VERDICT on the alleged conduct of former Labor MP Ian Macdonald has been delayed while the corruption watchdog investigates fresh allegations.

It’s been claimed that property tycoon Ron Medich arranged for Mr Macdonald – then the energy minister – to spend time with a prostitute as a reward for setting up meetings with executives from Country Energy and Energy Australia.

Gab

23 May 12 at 12:36 pm
On now, Ian Chubb ~~whining~~ delivering his National Press Club speech.

Gab

23 May 12 at 12:38 pm
On a vaguely related matter, I suppose people have heard the update on the story mentioned yesterday:

Zuma penis painting vandalised in art gallery

I thought this part of the report interesting:

Another protester said the depiction violated African culture.

“Our culture is very much against that. You can never refer to someone’s private parts,” said Elizabeth Mabaso, 58.

The polygamous president generated national debate when he married for a sixth time last month. He has four current wives and 21 children, including several out of wedlock.

I take it one is free to use ones “private parts” quite a bit, just not to “refer” to them.

steve from brisbane

23 May 12 at 12:39 pm
Re my comment at 12.02, it’s Joe McGiniss, not McGuiness.

blogstrop

23 May 12 at 12:48 pm
“Science values scepticism” – Ian Chubb.

Gab

23 May 12 at 12:55 pm
Inspired by Tim Blair’s classic pic…

Lewis/Geyer confrontation here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMf5Ijs2Oho

Great days. Wally Lewis – the greatest footballer of all time – at his peak.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 12:55 pm
John c

Socal networking is the real thing. Facebook is too. Zuckerberg is a prick. All these will decide facebooks plight.

Facebook trade at 80 times earnings, however you obviously wouldn’t buy it for current earnings.

There is a price which may be worthwhile dipping the toe.

It’s Morgan stanley by the way, not jpmorgan.

Jc

23 May 12 at 12:56 pm
JC

FB will never pay a dividend. Even if it could, good luck on getting class B shares.

I sent this in an email earlier to mates

Facebook is nice but when people realise this dude is just hosting them server space for their photos and they are getting this for free…I mean it is really gracious but this shit costs MONEY. They get ad revenue. So what? Do you take ads on FB seriously? They spy on people and on sell the market intel. So what? FB is full of stated preference data, not revealed preference data.

How much of this data is useful? There would be a hell of a lot of noise and missing observations.

How much of their revenue is from financing flows? Can they internally generate finance through retained earnings? Do they earn net cashflows? Can they ever pay a divvy?

The final thing is sure they have network effects and a monopoly, but so did myspace. Sure it is a shit tonne better…but they already have competition form google and a shit tonne of smart phone apps.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/facebook-ipo-post-mortem-dummies

GM is already dumping FB for advertising, and insiders pulled out 9.2 bn on the open.

.

23 May 12 at 1:01 pm
Aside from garnering info on women that you want to have sex with, what is Facebook for?

Infidel Tiger

23 May 12 at 1:03 pm
The most absurd stock listing ever

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/lnkd

Now, compare FB net free cash flow vs earnings BS.

FB has a fair value of maybe $4 if they are not lying anywhere and if they can maintain their client base, control costs and advertisers like GM don’t keep on pulling out.

.

23 May 12 at 1:06 pm
what is Facebook for?

For linking to Larry Pickering’s latest.

Gab

23 May 12 at 1:14 pm
According to Kantar Media US advertising is worth $144 bn and the world $500 bn. Doesn’t seem to be a big enough market to justify $100 bn when advertising is your sole referents stream.

John Comnenus

23 May 12 at 1:15 pm
Should be revenue stream

John Comnenus

23 May 12 at 1:17 pm
So, re brothel procedures: if one is making an “out call”, as many of the instances of Thomson are said to be, how does the brothel go through the licence ID process in that case? Does the visiting worker look at the licence first and record the number?

Enquiring minds want to know…

steve from brisbane

23 May 12 at 1:19 pm
From the desk of an options trader I know:

japan downgrade today gents. markets are going to start getting seriously boned from here i reckon

But, but…the Japanese can just print money…in the long run we are all dead…

.

23 May 12 at 1:24 pm
I thought there was a reason that US advertising cleans the clocks of virtually everyone. They’re as entertaining as actual TV shows.

Alex Pundit

23 May 12 at 1:28 pm
No one said the money had to be worth anything. Mugabe kept printing money, it just led to hyperinflation.

John Comnenus

23 May 12 at 1:30 pm
My goodness if I ever have to pay for female companionship I pray I’m still functional enough to realise that cash is king.

Infidel Tiger

23 May 12 at 1:32 pm
AP

During my honours year, I stayed up many nights. With infomercials running in the background.

They are better than a bad sitcom. Either they are so camp they are humourous or the products really are innovative. I loved how fake the audience were for the brown and crisp and miracle blade. I was shocked and chagrined to find that Chef Michael and Chef Tony were not real chefs at all. I thought they all tested their knives with “drywall”, “fieldstone” and a leather shoe?

.

23 May 12 at 1:33 pm
My goodness if I ever have to pay for female companionship I pray I’m still functional enough to realise that cash is king.

Unless you have a genuine faked ID and a cloned credit card.

.

23 May 12 at 1:34 pm
If I upgrade to google drive, will I keep my docs?

.

23 May 12 at 1:35 pm
Heh. My BS radar still functioning at optimum level.

Foreign Affairs Minister Bob Carr last night said he welcomed the five-year reduction.

“The Australian Government has consistently supported Ms Corby’s application for clemency,” he said.

But he rejected reports Australia negotiated a deal with Indonesia for Corby’s early release.

An Indonesian Government minister reportedly said Schapelle’s 20-year sentence had been cut by five years as part of a deal which includes the release of Indonesians charged with people smuggling in Australia.

But Senator Carr says no deal was struck.

Gab

23 May 12 at 1:37 pm
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/true-crime-scene/schapelle-corbys-prison-sentence-cut-in-half-could-be-home-by-august/story-fnat7jnn-1226363752192

Gab

23 May 12 at 1:37 pm
Labor MP’s and sex workers? Well it has to be an improvement on that old favorite… Labor MP Convicted on Pedophilia Charge. Come to think of it they must be just about due for another one.It’s been a while since the last one was rooted out.

Lew

23 May 12 at 1:37 pm
what is Facebook for?

Like most SNS they’re great for screening potential employees.

Nanuestalker

23 May 12 at 1:40 pm
I wonder if Thomson has any identifying birthmark or other, um, feature, which is going to prove relevant in the future. Dropped pants in Parliament to disprove an allegation could make history…

steve from brisbane

23 May 12 at 1:42 pm
wonder if thomson has any identifying birthmark or other, um, feature

His stupid, ugly pockmarked face isn’t evidence enough?

Oh, wait…

craig thompson is a very unusual looking man.

Rabz

23 May 12 at 1:46 pm
So Stiffy Macdonald is back in the news too?

Labor is all class.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 1:49 pm
what is Facebook for?

For finding out when idiots you don’t give a rodents backside about have cut their toenails, or dyed their hair, or made some sandwiches, or watched some ridiculous show on TV, or etc, etc, etc…

Rabz

23 May 12 at 1:52 pm
So at what time today will the ‘man of honour’ Howes be handing over his house keys?

The carbon tax has cost AWU jobs.

Token

23 May 12 at 1:53 pm
Man who abused parliament by lying about John Anderson and found to be a liar by the AEC:

Mr Windsor warned politicians against playing games with the numbers of the day because the short-term gain could do long-term damage to the parliament.

“Be careful that you don’t walk down the road that you regret later on just for short-term advantage,” he told the chamber.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 1:59 pm
“Be careful that you don’t walk down the road that you regret later on just for short-term advantage,”

Like supporting the ALP against your constituents wishes? Stupid old lezzo.

Infidel Tiger

23 May 12 at 2:01 pm
what is Facebook for?

I thought it was created by the CIA to keep track of student radicals. Frickin’ brilliant – make them give you all their secrets.

as far as screening potential employees, i would have thought Twitter or even LinkedIn is better, as anyone half savvy would make their FB provide invisibile to non friends. Worth a check though – if they haven’t done this they’re clearly too stupid to employ.

papachango

23 May 12 at 2:02 pm
Rich Lefty Douche teaches other lefty hypocritical douches an important lesson on how big an asshole he can be if he doesn’t get his way.

Token

23 May 12 at 2:02 pm
Latest Indian trend
skin whitener for the vagina

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/the-indian-obsession-with-fairer-skin-sinks-to-a-new-low-20120522-1z300.html

jtfsoon

23 May 12 at 2:04 pm
Did Obama have lower SAT scores than W?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/22/Exclusive-The-Vetting-Obama-Wrong-on-Columbia-Admission-Transfer-Class-Had-Low-SAT-Scores-Grades

jtfsoon

23 May 12 at 2:10 pm
Yeah, some powerful, powerful Breitbart vetting going on there, hey Jason? They’ve “established” that Obama’s grades “may have been” lower than Bush’s.

It’s going to blow this election campaign away…

steve from brisbane

23 May 12 at 2:15 pm
Ah, I can hear (from three rooms away) the shrieking harridan, aka your PM, is back in Parliament QT, screeching at levels that would be in contravention of the Industrial Noise Policy.

Gab

23 May 12 at 2:16 pm
skin whitener for the vagina

pretty tasteless IMO, but it seems to be a thing with Asian and indian cultures that lighter skin in more desirable. Meanwhile we whiteys are desperate to look tanned with creams and solariums etc.

The lefties are (of course) trying to paint this as some kind of of continuing Western cultural imperialism (blah blah), but i think it’s just a univeral human desire for the exotic. Like how hipsters will carry on about Buddhism; I wonder if cool Nepali and Tibetan teenagers are into exotic stuff like Roman catholicism…

papachango

23 May 12 at 2:18 pm
did I say it was going to blow the campaign away steve?

no, but it’s ironic and striking.

jtfsoon

23 May 12 at 2:18 pm
I’m sure if Indian birds eschew the ridiculous bald trend, the colour of their lady parts won’t come into play.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 2:19 pm
I wouldn’t say it’s striking, Jason.

Bush was a fighter jet pilot for Texas and NORAD.

Obama was a ‘community organiser.’

I just assumed that Bush was more intelligent than the Kenyan lesbian.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 2:20 pm
As a wise man once told me “they’re all pink on the inside”". Not sure what he was referring to, but it seems appropriate.

Infidel Tiger

23 May 12 at 2:21 pm
pretty tasteless IMO, but it seems to be a thing with Asian and indian cultures that lighter skin in more desirable.

That a ‘lighter skin is desirable’ meme exists is correct. However I’ve never ever heard of an Asian (i.e. by which I mean a Northeast Asian – Chinese, Japanese, Korean) use a skin whitener product. This seems to be a peculiarly Indian thing.

The other thing is it’s not exotic – a lot of Northeast Asians actually *are* kinda white if they’re of the fairer skinned variety as a lot of Korean women are. Northeast Asians tend to come in either the white or the bronzed varieties and the latter only if they’ve been out in the sun. But the majority of Indians are very far from ever being white unless they’re from near the Afghan border.

jtfsoon

23 May 12 at 2:24 pm
Paul Howes is urging the Aust govt to ‘pick winners’.

Bolt is on a loser praising this guy, just like when he was lauding Gillard as the next Thatcher

jtfsoon

23 May 12 at 2:34 pm
As a wise man once told me “they’re all pink on the inside

not according to the French. They have an expression for an extremely dark night – ‘il fair noir comme le trou du cul d’un nègre’.

To give an indication of how much less politically correct our Gallic cousins are (even the rabid lefties), this is a perfectly acceptable phrase in informal conversations, but here I dare not even translate it…

papachango

23 May 12 at 2:34 pm
Alex, sorry for the delay, I had to step out to Cloncurry for a bit.
I was of the opinion that the Obama had been spending money hand over fist, and borrowing trillions to do so.
Now the article seems to be saying that this isn’t correct, and that he’s spending even less than previous Presidents.
Are they using a different measure for spending, as in a sleight of hand to make the figures look better?

Winston SMITH

23 May 12 at 2:41 pm
– ‘il fair noir.. should be – ‘il fait noir

papachango

23 May 12 at 2:43 pm
Wow, what a great time for this Green madness to start.

Power prices in the US have began to rise as a result of Obama’s anti coal legislation.

Token

23 May 12 at 2:44 pm
Graeme has achieved international fame again

http://fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=87336

This is the website he’s been quoted on

An archive of the most hilarious, bizarre, ignorant, bigoted, and terrifying quotes from fundies all over the internet! The FSTDT archive is the largest collection of fundie quotes on the planet.

jtfsoon

23 May 12 at 2:45 pm
The government has again lost control of the House.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 2:52 pm
Thanks for the link Jason.

I think it is funny that Sancho visited that place to whine like the beta-male he is about being banned.

Token

23 May 12 at 2:55 pm
lol

Is Sanchez still whining about his free speech rights been yanked? He truly is the most stubborn, delusional stupidest leftwinger in the entire animal kingdom.

I think I really hurt his feelings one time at Troppo. The lunatic was still going on about getting banned here and how his rights were reduced, so I casually let him know that the site owner banned him, not because of his views, but that he simply didn’t like him. The pool cleaner was crestfallen.

JC

23 May 12 at 3:01 pm
LOL, Churchill was more of a native American than Warren or Obama

Token

23 May 12 at 3:02 pm
“The market-clearing price for new 2015 capacity – almost all natural gas – was $136 per megawatt. That’s eight times higher than the price for 2012, which was just $16 per megawatt. In the mid-Atlantic area covering New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and DC the new price is $167 per megawatt. For the northern Ohio territory served by FirstEnergy, the price is a shocking $357 per megawatt.”

I thought the quote was worth transferring across Token. That’s almost beyond belief.

Winston SMITH

23 May 12 at 3:02 pm
Thanks WS, that is worth posting. I’m away from home on the IPhone, these thinks don’t do quotes.

Token

23 May 12 at 3:08 pm
Did Obama have lower SAT scores than W?

I always hated the ‘Bush is a moron’ meme. As if a moron could have accomplished 278 hours flying an F-102 jet fighter, which had a nasty habit of back-flipping on take-off, and is still the most lethal – to its occupants – fighter that the USAF has ever used. Imagine most of Bush’s critics being able to do that. I mean, imagine Mike Moore in that cockpit – he wouldn’t even fit, let alone know what to do. Imagine the Community Organiser-in-Chief.

Bush was occasionally inarticulate under pressure. However, he knew how many states the US has, what language Germans speak and how to pronounce ‘Corps.’

James in Melbourne

23 May 12 at 3:19 pm
W will next week be at the White House, alongside Obama, for the official unveiling of his presidential portrait. It will be good to have a President in the building again.

Coolest ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJvRUL81ZU8

C.L.

23 May 12 at 3:38 pm
Lol US trader gets stuck into the Kenyan

Obama the Oil Man

When Obama ran for President, he told us that oil was stupid. He promised to diversify us away from oil, in favour of grandiose alternative energies, like “clean coal”, natural gas, wind, nuclear, solar–even biofuels!

The ultimate barometer of the health of any business is its share price. Wouldn’t you agreed? Indeud.

Let us have a look at some returns of alternative energy names, over the past 3 years.

How’s the fucking solar sector doing?

Well first solar is down 92%. Take a look at the rest.

Eek, that sucks.

Maybe the coal and nuclear sectors are doing better?

Nope.

How about natural gas?

Ouch, that fucking sucks too.

I know. I bet biofuels have done well.

He’s fucked that one too.

Just for fun, let’s have a look at oil.

Like really well.

In just three years, for whatever set of circumstances, Obama has accomplished what Cheney, and his evil band of Halliburton bloodsuckers, could have only dreamt of accomplishing in a lifetime. He has eliminated ALL competitors for big oil. Back in the Bush days, when he was out and about war mongering for oil, causing havoc and shit, there was a myriad of new players threatening to compete with big oil. Lo and behold, Mr. Super Fucking Liberal aka “The O”, hater of the fossil fuel, savior of the planet, has done nothing but foster a healthy environment for big oil, while creating circumstances to fucking poleax and demolish anyone who dared to threaten them.

The beauty of this decapitation is the fact it has gone entirely unreported by the propagandist main stream media, who are too busy sucking xxxxxxxx, than to take a step back to see what is going on.

Long live big oil.

So to summarize everything the Kenyan said hasn’t turned out.

JC

23 May 12 at 3:45 pm
comment in moderation above.

JC

23 May 12 at 3:47 pm
Wow… from that article on Indian lightening:

THE Indian obsession with fair skin has always been a distasteful phenomenon.

Really? Not just a cultural phenomenon? As is tanning in our own culture?

Fleeced

23 May 12 at 3:53 pm
You’ve got to be kidding. Northern Aryan Hindoos are the most racist people on earth. They invented racism, FFS.

Peter Patton

23 May 12 at 3:55 pm
Michael Jackson’s posthumous autobiography ” Am I white enough for you”. Until I read this I always assumed he was white?….I musta been wrong?

Splatacrobat

23 May 12 at 4:00 pm
I sort of had to laugh at Bolt’s source re brothel payment protocol.

In my ten years working on reception in several brothels throughout Melbourne…

Riiiight. She worked in brothels for a living. As a receptionist.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 4:06 pm
Did Albanese just say that no MP had ever been referred to the Privileges Committee for lying to the Parliament because the bar is so high?

Politicians don’t lie?

Sinclair Davidson

23 May 12 at 4:07 pm
Riiiight. She worked in brothels for a living. As a receptionist.

That’s what she told her parents, CL

papachango

23 May 12 at 4:12 pm
I thought that in India lighter skin means higher caste. Maybe the vagina whitener is about higher class ….

John Comnenus

23 May 12 at 4:19 pm
How Dick Smith, Gerry Harvey & est Aust Retailers could have & should have dominated online retail#auspol #ausbus http://helpmeshop.com.au/profiles/blogs/dick-smith-and-gerry-harvey-could-have-dominated-australian click

Max

23 May 12 at 4:22 pm
When I used to be the piano player in the men’s studio brothel …..

John Comnenus

23 May 12 at 4:22 pm
Albanese’s behaviour in Parliament today was a disgrace.

I can’t praise Christopher Pyne more highly. He is an outstanding, unflappable and forensic Leader of Opposition Business.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 4:24 pm
Yeah Papachango.
Why would someone work in a brothel as a receptionist? Of course you’d employ someone who could give the other girls a break if the load got heavy…
or something.

Winston SMITH

23 May 12 at 4:26 pm
Big news story de jour is Gine Rinehart’s new-found status as the world’s richest woman ($30 billion).

How long before she’s given another class war touch-up by DC and the Lying Rodent?

C.L.

23 May 12 at 4:26 pm
Jay Leno on Michael Jackson:

“Only in America could a poor black boy end up a rich white woman.”

James in Melbourne

23 May 12 at 4:28 pm
…or perhaps one of the working girls could have a lie down. Or a smoke standing up.
Perhaps someone with a better grasp of the English language could help out here…

Winston SMITH

23 May 12 at 4:30 pm
Cl

I think it took a pretty big hit in the past 2 weeks though if the valuations were made prior to that time.

If so lop off 20% from the 30 big ones and you would get closer to today’s valuation.

Still, she can afford to buy Fairfax when, not if, it reaches 40 cents as that would be a day’s rakings.

If I were her I’d stick a few of the big journo names on the Apprentice and enjoy her telling them… ” you’re fired” in public.

JC

23 May 12 at 4:32 pm
I’m sure The Age will start running lots of fashion spreads for the more mature, ahem, larger woman if Gina gets control.

Gab probably can’t wait.

steve from brisbane

23 May 12 at 4:41 pm
How Dick Smith, Gerry Harvey & est Aust Retailers could have & should have dominated online retail

They’re all morons. Myer and David Jones websites until very recentlyonly contained infor for ordering hampers and as store locators. These compoanies deserve to fold.

Infidel Tiger

23 May 12 at 4:42 pm
I wonder if Gina would be interested in employing me as a dietary consultant? I could fix her up in no time.

Infidel Tiger

23 May 12 at 4:44 pm
I’m sure The Age will start running lots of fashion spreads for the more mature, ahem, larger woman if Gina gets control.

Gab probably can’t wait.

Well they could, Step. However it would be more likely that they could match their advertising with the likely readership. I mean having a Longines ad on the front page of The Age like I used to see (I don’t buy it anymore) is more than likely advertising the product to someone who would steal it rather than purchase it from the store when taking into their current readership.

JC

23 May 12 at 4:46 pm
The yaged will start running lots of fashion spreads for the more mature, ahem, larger woman if Gina gets control.

SFB after consulting the aforementioned spreads…

Rabz

23 May 12 at 4:47 pm
With your svelte body, IT, and your lack of interest in environmental things that you can’t shoot, fish, eat, burn or mine, you could end up her toy boy.

steve from brisbane

23 May 12 at 4:48 pm
JC

When do you reckon Gina will try to hit up a Icahn like LBO on FXJ? She should try to control their prefs as well…if she hasn’t already done that.

.

23 May 12 at 4:49 pm
I think that kaftan was probably woven from his own hair…

steve from brisbane

23 May 12 at 4:50 pm
Spoke to an Age person recently at a dinner party. I asked him, ‘How come the marketing and advertising people clearly believe the readership lives in Brighton and Toorak, but the editorial is written for people who live in Brunswick and Northcote?”

He said they picked up both groups. I am not so sure.

Sponsoring that ludicrous Earth Hour was the death knell for their credibility. It said to the public, “do not look to us to cover the AGW debate objectively: we have gone completely into the tank on one side, and will print its every piece of propaganda, because we’re trying to look all hip, young, cool and concerned.”

One of the many whom the turning of the tide has left dumbstruck and sheepish. Some of them have excuses, but a newspaper once (I admit, a long time ago) trusted?

James in Melbourne

23 May 12 at 4:53 pm
However I’ve never ever heard of an Asian (i.e. by which I mean a Northeast Asian – Chinese, Japanese, Korean) use a skin whitener product. This seems to be a peculiarly Indian thing.

I’ve seen these products are heavily marketed in some SEA countries too so I’d assume there is some demand there. It was particularly noticeable in Thailand but I think this tends to correlate generally with countries where “Eurasian” features are favoured in fashion (including brand advertising) or associated with celebrity.

badm0f0

23 May 12 at 4:53 pm
Obama has accomplished what Cheney, and his evil band of Halliburton bloodsuckers, could have only dreamt of accomplishing in a lifetime. He has eliminated ALL competitors for big oil.

ROFL

Nanuestalker

23 May 12 at 4:55 pm
Still, she can afford to buy Fairfax when, not if, it reaches 40 cents as that would be a day’s rakings.

Fuck that. Control their prefs and make them sell for 20c per share.

.

23 May 12 at 4:55 pm
Bad news for steve

http://www.bakadesuyo.com/can-being-un-masculine-kill-a-man

‘Masculinity’ was measured during the compulsory military conscription process by a psychologist based on leisure and occupational interests, and paternity leave was measured in fulltime days by registry data. The main finding was that low ‘masculinity’ ranking increased the risk of all-cause mortality, and mortality from alcohol and violent causes

jtfsoon

23 May 12 at 5:00 pm
I’ve seen these products are heavily marketed in some SEA countries too so I’d assume there is some demand there.

I saw heaps of it in Malaysia. My wife was trying to buy fake tan funnily enough and could only find whitener.

Infidel Tiger

23 May 12 at 5:02 pm
Really, does anyone have any moral right to talk about what kind of vanity people do with their nether regions?

I mean, people of both sexes shave, pierce, tattoo, have them modified surgically and god only knows what else to their undercarriage. Who cares what other cultures do if they are consenting adults.

The only thing we should be worried about is female genital mutilation on children.

Many Asian cultures see whiter skin as a sign of being classy. Many Australian cultures see a good tan as a sign of being a hottie. Many English people think turning beetroot red on holidays is a good time. Who really cares?

brc

23 May 12 at 5:03 pm
Dot

I last looked at the balance sheet about 4 or so months ago when we were all having a good giggle about how fucked they were.

What I recall is that they had around 1.1 billion of long term debt. I didn’t take much of a looksee at the short term debt as that forms part of working capital and it’s not where the vulnerability is.

There’s about 500 million of bank debt and a 600 million bond issue. The banks have already told them they want their money back, which is why they are into asset sale mode. Forget rolling over the bonds as there more chance Greece issuing a Euro bonds than those fuckers. Of course the banks want their money back before the bonds mature as they don’t want to be holding the bag.

I’ve already told Gina what to do. Hold out. Make sure they don’t sell any assets at firesale or if they do, be there with a bid. Wait until the banks force the issue and then go in and buy converts from the firm at a 40 cents issue price. Then see where the bonds are trading… although if she wants the company she should buy the bonds first depending on…. if they are trading at a discount as i would imagine those suckers are, buy them up by sticking a offer in the market.

Ending up with the bonds forces the firm to sell her stock/converts at the firesale too.

That’s JC’s I-banking (financial strategy) advice to Gina. Wait, don’t move a muscle and let those fuckers come to you as are they are basically fucked.

Then we move to JC’s Strategy advice on how to run the firm. Get one of those diggers and a huge truck from out west and start tearing the place down. Fire every single leftie fucker there and apologize to the readership that it has take so long. All gone in a day.

Man I’d pay Gina if I could run HR for that time and fire those fuckers. It would be …. uplifting… Almost like being in heaven.

JC

23 May 12 at 5:03 pm
Fuck that. Control their prefs and make them sell for 20c per share.

Okay fine… I see you want to race me to the bottom.

JC

23 May 12 at 5:04 pm
Surely before you tore the building down with diggers you’d force them to print a couple of weeks worth of retractions and apologies, plus a full color magazine of how the entire climate change debacle was a complete crock built on a tottering edifice of lies?

That’s one copy I’d buy, just for the entertainment value.

Just think, they’d all cry and quit (with no severance) rather than roll back 10 years worth of propaganda.

brc

23 May 12 at 5:07 pm
Given that Victorians would still vote Labor in large numbers, particularly at a State election, isn’t the real puzzle why The Age still doesn’t sell to that market?

Your explanation that its politics are all wrong does not make sense in light of this.

steve from brisbane

23 May 12 at 5:17 pm
Fairfax’s best writer nails it again. If Australia wants tourists it has much to learn from the US.

Infidel Tiger

23 May 12 at 5:20 pm
Given that Victorians would still vote Labor in large numbers, particularly at a State election, isn’t the real puzzle why The Age still doesn’t sell to that market?

Migrants and Labor voters either can’t read or don’t read English speaking papers. Waste of time pandering to that demographic.

Infidel Tiger

23 May 12 at 5:24 pm
Man I’d pay Gina if I could run HR for that time and fire those fuckers. It would be …. uplifting… Almost like being in heaven.

Yep, butch carlton, barkin’ betty, enemagal irvine, shamsey-tingles, bonehead coorey, YOU ARE:

FIRED!

Rabz

23 May 12 at 5:25 pm
JC I had a look at their last full year report and it looks bloody amatuerish and dishonest, that a few njunior miners or petroleum refiners in Australia have done better. Far better.

They called EBITDA free cash flow. Ahem.

.

23 May 12 at 5:26 pm
I’m sure The Age will start running lots of fashion spreads for the more mature, ahem, larger woman if Gina gets control.

Gab probably can’t wait.

Why do you say that, SFB? Explain yourself you passive-aggresive moth-eaten numbnuts.

Gab

23 May 12 at 5:28 pm
Given that Victorians would still vote Labor in large numbers, particularly at a State election, isn’t the real puzzle why The Age still doesn’t sell to that market?

They do numbskull. That’s who they are selling to. And circulation keeps dropping like a stone.

Your explanation that its politics are all wrong does not make sense in light of this.

If you’re going to be a metro daily for the size of melbourne, you have to be centrist in the politics.. certainly not Greenslime which turns 70% of the population off. There aren’t enough slimers in the city, you freaking moron.

JC

23 May 12 at 5:38 pm
Dot, who are you talking about. Sorry.

JC

23 May 12 at 5:38 pm
FXJ. What a bunch of jokers.

.

23 May 12 at 5:39 pm
Fairfax’s best writer..

Ben Groundwater is their best writer? Are you serious IT?
He maintains a fairly average backpacker’s blog, where he carries on about disgraceful Aussie bogans in Bali and Vang Vieng and how he’s a much cooler ‘independent traveller’.

You’d think there’s no way that could be political, but you’d be wrong – ben’s a raving lefty who thinks Australians are all racist xenophobes, and if they only travelled more they’d be more leftwing and cultured like him.

He actually asked his readers wheher tarvelling makes you a more caring lefty, or is it only caring lefties who travel in the first place. My response to him in the comments:

As for the theory that travel turns you into a ‘raving lefty’, I’m sorry but the exact opposite happened to me. I was never fully sucked in to the socialist orthodoxy you are exposed to at uni, but when I was younger I probably had some sympathy for it.

Since then I’ve backpacked in about 50 countries and lived in a couple other than Australia, maybe it’s a part of growing older but my political views have turned much more towards classical liberalism, free market capitalism and greater individual freedoms.

Travelling extensively did in part help to shape these views at it did a nice job of shattering the utopian aspects to a lot of leftwing/socialist thinking. In particular seeing the disastrous results of real socialism first hand, seeing what UN aid workers and NGOs actually do in developing countries, and realising that racism is not just confined to white people. Racism is unfortunately present to some extent in all societies, and Australia was in fact one of the least racist places around

even on the Age he got a lot of others pinging him for such an idiotic observation.

papachango

23 May 12 at 5:41 pm
They called EBITDA free cash flow. Ahem.

Did they? Wouldn’t shock for a second.

JC

23 May 12 at 5:43 pm
He maintains a fairly average backpacker’s blog, where he carries on about disgraceful Aussie bogans in Bali and Vang Vieng and how he’s a much cooler ‘independent traveller’.

I know! Just shows how shithouse the rest of them are. He’s also anti-nanny state so I give him a big tick for that.

Infidel Tiger

23 May 12 at 5:43 pm
IT

You’re not being thorough here. You always take the view that the fairfax writer is a stark raving leftwing loon unless proves otherwise over a space of around 10 years.

Let this be a lesson to you.

JC

23 May 12 at 5:45 pm
Why would someone work in a brothel as a receptionist?

Winston – not that I have direct experience in these matters, but I understand this job goes to an older lady who is known as the ‘madam’ and has retired from, erm, service provision. A 20yo doing the job would be unlikely, unless she does other duties, so to speak.

papachango

23 May 12 at 5:46 pm
I knew he was rabid lefty loser, but he has written a lot of anti-nanny state articles of late. I think he may have been cluebatted but is too ashamed to come out of the closet for fear his poofter Fairfaxian friends will point at his large testicles.

Infidel Tiger

23 May 12 at 5:49 pm
IT – he says independent travelling makes you more leftwing. That or only lefties travel. Except the rightwing racist bogans of course, who go to Bali.

The man’s an idiot.

papachango

23 May 12 at 5:49 pm
Maybe, IT. That article and my comment were from 2009, so maybe he’s grown up a bit since then. But if he’s really matured he would have left Fairfax, like Jack Marx

papachango

23 May 12 at 5:51 pm
How do you explain the IPA’s resident “poofter,” IT?

steve from brisbane

23 May 12 at 5:52 pm
Answer my question, SFB.

Gab

23 May 12 at 5:53 pm
Speaking of fairfax, they’ve been hammering the anti Gina articles of late. Both about her wealth and her family affairs.

Someone’s balls will be served up on a plate as hors d’oeuvres at her welcome drinks if she gets control.

papachango

23 May 12 at 5:53 pm
Papa – Here is a more recent article he wrote about Bali:

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/blogs/the-backpacker/whats-not-to-love-about-bali-plenty-i-thought-20110725-1hwoq.html

I think he’s growing up.

Infidel Tiger

23 May 12 at 5:54 pm
How do you explain the IPA’s resident “poofter,” IT?

I don’t quite understand?

From what I’ve read and heard he’s doing a fanatstic job.

Infidel Tiger

23 May 12 at 5:59 pm
Uh-oh. Gab’s on a “explain yourself” jihad again.

steve from brisbane

23 May 12 at 5:59 pm
Stop being a coward, SFB, and answer my question.

Gab

23 May 12 at 6:00 pm
If ACA really has one of Shagger’s painted ladies, will Gillard decide to take a spot of annual leave while she’s in a different hemisphere?

lotocoti

23 May 12 at 6:10 pm
Still waiting, SFB….

SFB stated:

I’m sure The Age will start running lots of fashion spreads for the more mature, ahem, larger woman if Gina gets control.

Gab probably can’t wait.

To which I inquired:

Why do you say that, SFB? Explain yourself you passive-aggresive moth-eaten numbnuts.

Go ahead, SFB, make my day, punk.

Gab

23 May 12 at 6:10 pm
I wonder if anyone has ever run the argument that a brothel/prostitute has an implied condition of contract not to disclose the identity of a client to a third party unless compelled by law to do so. Damages for breach of that condition could be quite high.

steve from brisbane

23 May 12 at 6:30 pm
Stop evading the question, you chickenhawk.

I’ll just take it that you cannot answer because you don’t even know yourself. You just write drivel, SFB. Pure drivel.

And nobody likes you.

Gab

23 May 12 at 6:32 pm
You’re a disgusting faux-bully, Steve.

You deliberately insult Gab as a woman and then chicken out of explaining yourself.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 6:33 pm
I took it that he was insulting, Gina, CL. But you’re right, he was also attempting to diss me.

Gab

23 May 12 at 6:36 pm
Click Gabs icon an answer the ? sofb.
Or be condemned a coward.

Jumpnmcar

23 May 12 at 6:36 pm
Survey question:

Anyone heard anything good about the Mahindra Pik Up?

I’ve actually bought into an advertising line from the company that the newest Toyos have become very show-pony.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 6:36 pm
D’oh:

Mahindra Pik-Up.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 6:38 pm
Steve – I think you need to apologise to Gab and then we’ll move on.

Sinclair Davidson

23 May 12 at 6:44 pm
Astonishingly dogmatic American Obama zombie on ABC PM – Professor Lawrence Gostin (out here to get an honorary doctorate) – just said that if Obamacare is thrown out by the Supreme Court, having been crafted by a “former constitutional law professor,” people would say “oh, how pathetic.”

Mark Colvin: “And they’d have a point, wouldn’t they?”

Gostin: “No. Because it’s unquestionably constitutional. It’s just that we have an incredibly reactionary Supreme Court.”

C.L.

23 May 12 at 6:48 pm
I wonder if anyone has ever run the argument that a brothel/prostitute has an implied condition of contract not to disclose the identity of a client to a third party

By god you are a retard but I suppose it beats thinking about cock you dimwit

Tiny Dancer

23 May 12 at 6:53 pm
Thank you anyway, Sinclair, but we all know SFB doesn’t do apologies. Nor explanations. Nor answering questions.

But Tiny Dancer makes up for it all.

Gab

23 May 12 at 6:54 pm
One of the greatest men of all time:

Eugene Polly, inventor of TV remote, dead at 96.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 6:55 pm
God bless you, Eugene.
——————————

oooh. I do like the shape of the remote. Why don’t they make remotes like that anymore? Oh yeah, it’s not a PC shape.

Gab

23 May 12 at 6:58 pm
Hey CL, are ya gee’d up for the game tonight?
I expect a great game with no excuse for handling errors under the roof.
Traveled down in 2009 and loved it.

I’m all for the Melbourne SofO if it at Etihad.

Jumpnmcar

23 May 12 at 7:00 pm
Hey CL, are ya gee’d up for the game tonight?

Does the pope wear a beanie?

QUEENSLANDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

C.L.

23 May 12 at 7:04 pm
Astonishingly dogmatic American Obama zombie on ABC PM – Professor Lawrence Gostin

CL, have you noticed where he works? Incredible.

Gab, keep those lefts and rights coming.

dover_beach

23 May 12 at 7:04 pm
Actually, Captain Cam has decreed that the team’s war cry for tonight is ARTIE!!!!

C.L.

23 May 12 at 7:05 pm
What a stupid game.

JC

23 May 12 at 7:07 pm
At Least One Industry is Doing Great Under Failed President

Forget Facebook. If you’re looking for a nice return on an investment, firearms are clearly the way to go these days. Ironically enough, the most liberal state in the nation is benefiting off a surge in gun and ammunition purchases.

JC

23 May 12 at 7:09 pm
Apologies to all Queenslanders, but I’ll be going for the underdogs.

dover_beach

23 May 12 at 7:10 pm
Though of NSW origins, I hope the mighty Queenslanders win. After that magnificent performance at the state elections, how can one not?

Go the Maroons, as they say.

Gab

23 May 12 at 7:11 pm
the team’s war cry for tonight is ARTIE!!!!

We QLDers are a loyal bunch and respect the mongrel in a man, Artie had that.

Jumpnmcar

23 May 12 at 7:16 pm
I think you need to apologise to Gab and then we’ll move on

Spoil sport… everyone’s money is on Gab

Nanuestalker

23 May 12 at 7:23 pm
dover
I expect NSW to try and go around QLD.
Just by looking at the bench QLD will go straight up the middle with inside balls galore, then capitalise on our superior kicking game to hammer it home.
The Qld backs will get the accolades, but the forwards grunt up front will decide how many.

Gab, welcome aboard.

Jumpnmcar

23 May 12 at 7:27 pm
I wonder if anyone has ever run the argument that a brothel/prostitute has an implied condition of contract not to disclose the identity of a client to a third party unless compelled by law to do so.

That’s actually an interesting point, Steve from Brisbane. Colour me surprised.

Adam Kane

23 May 12 at 7:30 pm
IT is your dietary habit one of low carb or no refined carb or paleo? Or something else? Just asking, interested. Cheers

Helen Armstrong

23 May 12 at 7:43 pm
SfB: Typical Green-Left shemale terrified of real women who don’t buy into the abuse-dependency neurosis of the beta male cowards of this world like him.

Tom

23 May 12 at 7:47 pm
Yes we in this house are maroons. Sometimes I sit in the blue seat for some balance but end up back on the maroon bench. Webke reckons QLD by 6-10 but not a walkover. I met him the other day (Webke) he is a lovely, kind and increibally smart and wise guy – and cut a nice figure too, I might add. Not that i was stalking, just appreciating.

Helen Armstrong

23 May 12 at 7:49 pm
Yes, Tom. he is very passive aggressive and quite a nasty little beta too I might add.

In Roman Times we could have voted for him to fight lions and tigers in the Colosseum.

JC

23 May 12 at 7:50 pm
I met him the other day (Webke) he is a lovely, kind and increibally smart and wise guy

Yeh Helen, just another rural boy,we’re all the same

Jumpnmcar

23 May 12 at 7:53 pm
Hmmm…Later at an AVO Hearing, Helen is heard to say:

Not that I was stalking, just appreciating Your Worship.

Nanuestalker

23 May 12 at 7:58 pm
dover
I expect NSW to try and go around QLD.

Well, they are playing in Victoria so your idea has legs, jumpnmcar.

dover_beach

23 May 12 at 8:02 pm
So everyone is getting excited about ACA having got their hands on the hooker.

I’m not convinced until conclusive proof appears.

A bunch of comments on random blog sites sounds exciting but I need evidence.

brc

23 May 12 at 8:06 pm
Well, they are playing in Victoria…

…against Melbourne Storm.

Nanuestalker

23 May 12 at 8:12 pm
There is always the possibility the hooker is an ALP plant. it could turn out its the wrong guy, and Thommo is exonerated. Just another example of Abbott’s relentless negativity.

it should rate well.

entropy

23 May 12 at 8:16 pm
Go, the Campbell Newmans!!! Keeping an eye on SOO while listening to the golf show on SEN.

Tom

23 May 12 at 8:17 pm
IT is your dietary habit one of low carb or no refined carb or paleo? Or something else? Just asking, interested. Cheers

Hi Helen, it was basically Paleo. It worked really well for me. However of late, due to having a kid and being flat out I’ve fallen off the wagon and the kilos have started climbing back on. I actually restarted the ~~diet~~ lifestyle today.

Read anything by Gary Taubes if you want to know why I’ve gone down this path.

Infidel Tiger

23 May 12 at 8:17 pm
CL – yes. A landowner I know uses Mahindra. I was interested in your question so I gave him a call. He says they are not especially well finished (expect the inside to look like a vehicle from 10-15 years ago. Apparently the interior colour comes in grey, grey and also grey. Mahnidras are designed and built as workhorses pure and simple. So they are pretty agricultural, are fairly old-fashioned and simple, are not very comfortable, and that you and six of your mates couldn’t beat them to death with a stick.

they have had quality control issues in the past but have improved this over the last ten years.

He has a Pik-up, though he mostly uses it off road. It’s OK on the road but if you are buying it as a roadcar, buy something else. The gearbox is a bit rubbery and he finds himself checking which gear occasionally. Aircon is standard, it has a decent sound system 180 degree tailgate.No ABS brakes. DOES have a cargo cage protecting the cab so the load can’t come forward into the cab and crush you if you go down a gully – he said this is a seriously winning feature.

He just loves the donk. Torque is great and it’s pretty economical. The tranny is brilliant, tough as nails. gearbox is also tough and the shift is light. He’s a big bloke and the thing has plenty of headroom.

It’s an off-roader. The chassis and structural strength is very good. he says that first day he took it up the back of his property (steep, rocky and rough as guts on a goat track) with 1.5 tons of fencing gear in the back. Not a squeak from the truck’s frame (he reckons they do not assemble it but just carve the bugger from a solid slab of steel), handled it with ease and the engine was not struggling.

he reckons with the right tyres it’d climb the north face of the Eiger.

it’s being sold here to establish Mahindra in the market as a rural work horse. He loves it and his bigger Mahnidra truck for exactly that reason.

His summary: ‘a bit slow, a bit less comfortable, a bit low on some safety features, a bit less well finished, built like a brick sh*thouse, takes a flogging and shrugs it off, reliable, tough as nails and normally $3-4K lower than the competition second hand’

The paper comparison he made was mahindra and landrover Defender crew cab. The M was $20K cheaper, and while a bit worse worse on road was ‘a lot better’ better offroad.

He swears by it BUT it’s a work-horse on a big property

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 May 12 at 8:17 pm
Oh, forgot. Visibility is superb. This is important to him, as his higher land tracks demand you know exactly where the vehicle is spatially at all times. I’m not the worst offroader around, but I won’t drive on his back tracks. My 4WD does not allow me exact knowledge of wheel placement.

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 May 12 at 8:24 pm
Re S of O,
Wish Ben Hannant puts His r/h boot on.
Jennings = grub.
NSW won the Up front in the 1st half with more numbers in tackles and squirts from dummy half all them.
game changed when Inglis made a brake.

Great game

Jumpnmcar

23 May 12 at 9:05 pm
Half time and Thursto leads the way to have the Maroons in a commanding position… Woo hoo!

——————————————-

Mark, wow. Thanks for that magazine-quality review. And thanks to your mate. I like the Mahindra as an uncomplicated workhorse. They’ve been selling the Pik-Up as a balls-out alternative to the Toyo – which has become very expensive for what is now a pretty fancified 4WD. Land Cruiser has been drifting that way for a few years, IMO. The primitive features of the Mahindra appeal to me but what your mate says about on-road negatives is something I’ll be checking out. Primitive is good, too clunky on-road is a drawback.

Thanks very much.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 9:06 pm
So ACA has tracked down the prostitute who serviced the man in the Craig Thompson Mission Impossible mask, hey? Well well well.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 9:09 pm
LOL!

dover_beach

23 May 12 at 9:13 pm
Bill Shorten goes full retard:

LET’S cut to the chase. The fact there is no company tax cut in this year’s budget is the federal opposition’s fault, not the government’s.

This is becoming an illness.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/abbotts-pessimism-is-very-bad-for-business/story-e6frezz0-1226363813546

twostix

23 May 12 at 9:14 pm
So ACA has tracked down the prostitute who serviced the man in the Craig Thompson Mission Impossible mask, hey? Well well well.

Now if they would just put in a bit of time and effort and snag Tony Hodges.

Rudiau

23 May 12 at 9:21 pm
Wee Willie Shorten.

Tom

23 May 12 at 9:22 pm
For all the jokes about Gina it is worth reflecting that she is the richest woman in the world and rather than be admired as an exceptional woman our slimy government spits at her and the rest of Australia doesn’t do much better. We should be proud to call her ours.

Many other nations would be proud that such a successful woman was one of theirs. Shame Australia, her major crime it seems is to be very very good at what she does. As for that misogynist Swan and the pretend feminist generation of Labor, why does no one call them on their sexism when it comes to Gina. In the meantime the proposed rolemodel for the women of Australia is a miserable failure of whom the feminists and the rest of the chattering classes claim that her bad name is due to the sexism of TA and rightwingers etc. And don’t mention Gillard’s backside, but it is extremely unlikely that the media doesn’t go out of its way to publish Gina not looking her best.

Ros

23 May 12 at 9:53 pm
Prison Vs School, a trip through a youth correction facility and a highschool in the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogmtAQlp9HI&feature=player_embedded#!

twostix

23 May 12 at 9:55 pm
We have many piously claiming that poor Craig Thomson is a piteous abused person . I have no doubt that he is a sociopath, he lies with ease, and constantly. He has no sense of having done wrong, he has no empathy for the members of the HSU, tha Labor Party and particularly his wife who he has dragged into this miserable affair by claiming that she was spied upon in the shower, and she is preganant. A better man would have resigned long ago if he cared at all for his wife, not use her as another tool in his neverending story.

But who says for Gina if you cut me do not I bleed. We have a government that believes it is okay to accuse her of being the lowest of the low, with absolutley no evidence to support their vicious and malicious attacks on a great woman. Not for her innocent until proven guilty, though that is a difficult principle to apply of course when they can name no crime of which she is suspected.

Ros

23 May 12 at 10:08 pm
Right on Ros.

Pickles

23 May 12 at 10:09 pm
As far as I’m concerned Craig is still innocent unless this broad can produce a franger with Craig’s seed in it.

Les Majesty

23 May 12 at 10:13 pm
WOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

C.L.

23 May 12 at 10:14 pm
WOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Ditto

Rudiau

23 May 12 at 10:18 pm
You’re totally right, Ros, and the only joke about her on this thread was from Steve who is highly anti-conservative.

I hope she takes control of Fairfax and cleans house.

Adam Kane

23 May 12 at 10:18 pm
her major crime it seems is to be very very good at what she does

No, her crimes are being
a) very wealthy (regardless of how she got it)
b) conservative

Fairfax must be scared shitless of her. I think Labor are too, they see her as a rising force and they’d like to contain her.

Adam Kane

23 May 12 at 10:28 pm
ACA/Thommo updates at Bolt’s.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 10:32 pm
A “shock video referee decision” my arse.

Robbie Farah kicked the ball out of his hands.

The ball was in play and GI grounded it.

TRY TIME!

Suck it up.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 10:34 pm
I think the standard of proof for the hooker would have to be employment records for the nights in question, and a convincing description of the events surrounding the, ahem, event. Although I’m stuffed if I can remember I did in my job 6 or 7 years ago.

ACA is terrible journalism at its worst but I doubt they would go to air unless it had been carefully legalled for this one. I doubt they would run with someone who was making it up for the cash, unless they had something pretty solid.

If they do go to air then they must be very sure of their facts.

brc

23 May 12 at 10:35 pm
Ros (9.53pm) Agree on the Gina thing. I had a bloke come into the office at work and mention that she made $29m this year or whatever it was.

First thing out of my mouth was, ‘good on her!’

The next was to wonder if Rose would have done anywhere near as well, and who really gives a toss?

The envy is appalling.

FatherBob ‏@FatherBob
#lateline What does it profit Gina if she gains $29billion & loses herself & children.No profit balances that loss.

Hypocrite.

nilk

23 May 12 at 10:46 pm
FatherBob ‏@FatherBob
#lateline What does it profit Gina if she gains $29billion & loses herself & children.No profit balances that loss.

Who the fuck is he to judge her? (excuse the language)

Gab

23 May 12 at 10:50 pm
As far as I’m concerned Craig is still innocent

And Alfonse Capone was an honorable man. You’re unbelievable, Les. You really do hate the ordinary people who paid for Thomson’s immoral rampage, don’t you?

Tom

23 May 12 at 10:53 pm
Exactly, Gab. Personally, I consider him a heretic.

FatherBob ‏@FatherBob
#lateline Indefatigable Advocate Manne, reminds us justice without mercy is no justice at all.BTW support Letters 4 Ranjini.

And somewhat… misguided. He’s an old socialist from way back who unfortunately has been a priest for years.

FatherBob ‏@FatherBob
#lateline Craig Thomson, sick/smart/stupid, lives in democracy based on law, incl. presumption of innocence or all lose.

As we can see, all those years of hanging with the luvvies in St.Kilda have affected his faculties.

nilk

23 May 12 at 10:53 pm
FatherBob ‏@FatherBob
#lateline What does it profit Gina if she gains $29billion & loses herself & children.No profit balances that loss.

A disgusting commentary.

He is bowdlerising Mark 8:36.

And what brought on that hard teaching of Jesus, Bob?

31 He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. 32 He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.

33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.

34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 35 For whoever wants to save their life[b] will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me and for the gospel will save it. 36 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? 37 Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”

Bob’s whole schtich as a pastor to the bourgeois bohemian set is to tell them they don’t have to give up anything or suffer anything. He doesn’t like the Cross at all.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 11:05 pm
Matthew 7:2-5 came to mind when I saw that stupid judgmental tweet.

Gab

23 May 12 at 11:09 pm
James in Melb

imagine Michael Moore in the cockpit…

It’d never get off the ground.

kae

23 May 12 at 11:10 pm
You really do hate the ordinary people who paid for Thomson’s immoral rampage, don’t you?

Where’s the evidence.

We just have to go where the evidence and logic take us, Tom.

It’s science but it’s all we’ve got.

Les Majesty

23 May 12 at 11:12 pm
Tom

Stop taking Lester seriously. He’s just fucking around that’s all.

JC

23 May 12 at 11:14 pm
ACA/Thommo updates at Bolt’s.

lol.. But the old lezzo and the Duntroon Nazi said he’s innocent.

Fellas.. (Andrew Wilkie and Tony Windsor)…

If you hang around dogs you end up getting fleas you idiots. When you see a train coming your way, make sure you’re well away from the tracks.

You two morons should foraging for food in the forest and you’d still starve.

JC

23 May 12 at 11:19 pm
Class: Liberals Mal Washer and John Herron (both doctors) express concerns about Craig Thompson’s health.

I expressed a similar concern weeks ago. Responsibility for his health, ultimately, lies with his workplace bruvvers in the ALP but all down the line they’ve wanted him to lie and dissemble. What Gillard should have done was to take a hit by getting Thompson to tell the truth, say he’ll take what legal consequences he must (when he must) should charges be applicable. This would have been the best thing for the Parliament, for the country and for the health and well-being of Craig Thompson. But it would have required more class than Julia Gillard could ever muster. She is a woman driven by hatred of Tony Abbott and the great fear that he will best her – he the Abbott Monster.

Note too that no Labor heavies expressed any concern for the health of Senator Fisher – though she was a woman caught up in a health-related faux-pas rather than a person guilty of egregious, ongoing crimes. On the contrary, Gillard mocked her when she was in trouble, falsely positing an equivalency between her travails and the scandal surrounding the Member for Dobell.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 11:23 pm
The irony, it sears the mind: Thompson condemns the idea of paying a prostitute for her services:

Labor MP Craig Thomson denies A Current Affair escort’s claims.

EMBATTLED MP Craig Thomson has hit out at A Current Affair, accusing the program of “grubby” cheque book journalism after he was told it planned to air a $60,000 interview with a Sydney prostitute claiming he was a client.

The escort is believed to have been provided with a photograph of the federal MP and asked whether she could identify him.

The Channel 9 current affairs show spent 90 minutes in Mr Thomson’s parliamentary office yesterday seeking his response to the claims from the anonymous prostitute.

Mr Thomson told The Daily Telegraph the show’s producer had told him the woman had been paid for the interview…

“They said they have got the tape if you want to see it. I asked them if they paid for the interview and they said ‘Yes’,” Mr Thomson said.

“To buy a story from a prostitute is chequebook journalism at its worst.

“Who is going to take this seriously when they pay a prostitute money? It has absolutely no credibility.”

And…

Mr Thomson said he hoped ACA “does the responsible thing” and not air the interview. He is planning to take legal action against the station.

Uh-huh.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 11:32 pm
UK Labor, the 21st century Tories:

Now Ed Miliband has weighed into the discussion about social mobility. It is always a pleasure to hear what someone who was brought up in Hampstead and babysat by professors thinks about “the assumptions behind social mobility”. According to Miliband, in a speech he gave yesterday, there is too much focus on creating the conditions to allow smart, ambitious working-class people to get ahead, and not enough focus on ensuring that inequality is not “handed down generation to generation, like the colour of our hair”. It sounds radical, but in truth Miliband is implicitly demonising, or at least problematising, the exercise of individual initiative to move on in life, since this leaves untouched the structural underpinnings of inequality. He is, in effect, playing off “grasping” members of the working classes against less fortunate members of the working classes, as if the social mobility of the former is somehow responsible for the social predicament of the latter.

Can have the gutter trash thinking that they can get above their station.

twostix

23 May 12 at 11:33 pm
Labour MP Hazel Blears has gone further, saying: “I’ve never understood the term social mobility because that implies you want to get out of somewhere… And I think there is a great deal to be said for making who you are something to be proud of.”

Nothing wrong at all with living out your life in a council estate says the childless, middle aged, upper middle class technocratic solicitor.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100159751/the-fashionable-hostility-towards-social-mobility-is-just-another-way-of-saying-know-your-place/

twostix

23 May 12 at 11:38 pm
Amazing.

But it’s a mode of thinking we see in Australia too. The left hates the mining industry precisely because it enriches workers to an extent that transforms their lives and their place in the hierarchy of society. Recollect too David Williamson’s disgust with passengers on that cruise liner. It was one thing for a cultured, wealthy-from-art sophisticate like him to be taking a cruise. But everyday people who’d scrimped and saved for an oceanic holiday? No, sir. That was disgusting.

C.L.

23 May 12 at 11:47 pm
FYI Andrew Bolt was on Sydney radio 2GB this evening, and he will be on again to tomorrow night.

Poor Old Rafe

23 May 12 at 11:48 pm
Caption contest…

C.L.

24 May 12 at 12:07 am
He looks like he’s physically guarding himself from Julia “Paws” Gillard.

I wonder what he would think of her as a leader had he heard her screeching like a banshee in QT today.

Gab

24 May 12 at 12:10 am
Caption contest:

“Ooohh, your farts smell like dog!”

Infidel Tiger

24 May 12 at 12:11 am
“So I said: ‘There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead’.”

C.L.

24 May 12 at 12:14 am
“So I said: ‘There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead’.”

“and I told them I was going to lower unemployment and they believed me”.

JC

24 May 12 at 12:15 am
You’re a tough act to follow, IT.

“Isn’t it great, Bazza? The voters love us!”

Gab

24 May 12 at 12:16 am
I wonder what he would think of her as a leader had he heard her screeching like a banshee in QT today.

The US mission would report on that shit and the way she sounds.. and what others say about her voice etc.

You saw that sort of chatter in the wikileaks stuff and the sort of thing they report back home to base. The Kenyan would have been told about it.

JC

24 May 12 at 12:17 am
Gillard: “Wayne Swan!”

Obama: “Joe Biden!”

Both: “Bwahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa”

Infidel Tiger

24 May 12 at 12:18 am
The Euro is collapsing while Germany fiddles and prevents any meaningful liquidity provision in Europe.

Result… If they prevent it, there will be a depression in Europe and serious stuff around the world.

This looks pretty ugly.

JC

24 May 12 at 12:19 am
Oh yeah, that’s rght, JC. Perhaps that’s why his body language seems like he doesn’t want to be near her but he’s just being polite and hence the exaggerated laughter. I mean, arms folded, looking down at his feet not at her when responding to a comment (laughter). And herself has assumed the fawning position.

Gab

24 May 12 at 12:21 am
“got bored with Emmo, so one night I got really pissed and cut his cock off”

Pickles

24 May 12 at 12:22 am
I’m telling you German is re-fighting WW2.

German Central Bank: Greek Exit Would be Big, but ‘Manageable’

They fucking lunatics.

Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2012/05/23/german-central-bank-greek-exit-would-be-manageable/#ixzz1vhewaJml

JC

24 May 12 at 12:29 am
From Cut & Paste:

JOURNALIST: Senator Wong . . . on the front page of The Australian Paul Kelly writes: “The unresolvable Thomson affair testifies to a minority government parliament now tainted beyond repair.” What would you say to Paul Kelly and the Australians who agree with him?

Wong: I’d ask him to look at some of the other things also in The Australian, which is the report of the OECD which emphasises the strength of the Australian economy and backs in the government’s budget strategy. And I’d ask. . .

Journalist: So you’d just say: ‘Oh, look over there. Don’t look at this, look over there.‘

LOL. I want to know the name of that journo and send him/her a gift basket.

Gab

24 May 12 at 12:30 am
Journalist: So you’d just say: ‘Oh, look over there. Don’t look at this, look over there.‘

LOL.

————————————-

Dennis Shanahan nails it: Just answer the question, Prime Minister.

Also: conscience of the Labor Party, Gary Johns, calls for Slipper and Thompson to resign from Parliament now.

The consequences for the nation are huge. In the event of two by-elections, or even one, and following a vote of no confidence, the government would almost certainly fall. Tony Abbott would be asked by the Governor-General to form a government. Abbott would accept the offer and recommend an election, to which the G-G would accede, and which Abbott would win decisively.

Greece is about to exit from the euro, and pressure will then come on banks across Europe from nervous depositors. Spain would suffer and perhaps also default. There may be a second global financial crisis. Australia needs to have a new government in place and the decks cleared should these events come to pass. The abolition of the carbon tax and suspension of the National Broadband Network would create a climate of certainty and decisiveness.

The parliament is not having a problem – two members and one government are. The voters made the last election a dead-heat. They will not make the same mistake twice. The personal calculations of Thomson and Slipper could save further indignity and do the nation a big favour.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 12:38 am
Journalist: So you’d just say: ‘Oh, look over there. Don’t look at this, look over there.‘

LOL. I want to know the name of that journo and send him/her a gift basket.

Oh god, did he actually say that?

hahahahahhaa

twostix

24 May 12 at 12:54 am
It was on radio, 891 ABC Adelaide “Breakfast with Matthew Abraham and David Bevan” yesterday

Gab

24 May 12 at 12:57 am
I really think the Kenyan’s gone. Could be wrong of course, but I really think he’s done.

SHOCK POLL: ROMNEY UP 6 IN FLA…

JC

24 May 12 at 1:07 am
With Rubio as Romney’s running sidekick it’s 49 41.

JC

24 May 12 at 1:08 am
Abortion cause dying:

“Pro-Choice” Americans at Record-Low 41%.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 1:35 am
Ed Morrissey discusses abortion becoming minority extremist cause:

We are seeing a societal shift in attitudes in abortion. While a majority believe that abortion should be legal under certain circumstances, that number has been slowly drifting downward over the series, too, although the “legal in any circumstance” proportion has held steady in the mid-20s. People seem more willing to identify as pro-life despite an overwhelming media and cultural bias in favor of abortion as a liberty issue. With the US conducting over a million abortions every year and people gain a clearer understanding of the development of children in utero, the practice cannot help seem more and more barbaric. We may still see some hiccups and occasional spikes in the wrong direction, but the long-term prospects for abortion support look almost as grim as abortion itself.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/23/support-for-abortion-drops-to-record-low/

C.L.

24 May 12 at 1:37 am
Shouldn’t someone ask Ms Gillard the following questions:

1. why she didn’t allow Mr Thomson to retire when he originally offered to seeing how everyone is so concerned for mr Thomson’s health.

2. Hasn’t Ms Gilllard failed in her duty of care to Mr Thomson’s if his health is failing?

3. Has anyone anywhere in the ALP offered Mr Thomson an inducement or put conditions on Mr Thomson that effectively force Thomson to stay in parliament against his wishes?

John Comnenus

24 May 12 at 4:40 am
No JC, Germany is not refocusing WWII. It is doing everything to ensure hyperinflation doesn’t break out because the last time hyperinflation hit Germany they got Hitler.

John Comnenus

24 May 12 at 4:52 am
Re fighting not refocussing

John Comnenus

24 May 12 at 4:54 am
It’s a tricky business infiltrating a new host if you’re a communist.

Tom

24 May 12 at 6:40 am
John

There is no hyperinflation. When you can sell 2 year bonds at zero % and involved in a currency union you have serious problems, but you don’t have deflation.

JC

24 May 12 at 6:57 am
oops inflation.

JC

24 May 12 at 6:58 am
I wonder what he would think of her as a leader had he heard her screeching like a banshee in QT today.

They might want to clone her to use as a Secret Weapon – for ‘interviewing’ certain people.

Ve haf vays of making you talk would enter a whole new paradigm.

Helen Armstrong

24 May 12 at 8:41 am
As far as I’m concerned Craig is still innocent unless this broad can produce a franger with Craig’s seed in it.

Naah, Slugger strikes me as the type who’d be riding bareback. He is not one to worry about risk taking activities.

Helen Armstrong

24 May 12 at 9:13 am
Gillard should lend That Greens women her hairdresser

Tal

24 May 12 at 9:44 am
Regarding Fairfax, there was an interesting thread at Mumbrella, the media/marketing site, when the latest circulation figures came out. Mumbrella threads generally lean toward the left but this one featured some inside dope and had the clarity of a man about to be hanged. This comment from “Back Bencher”, replying to a Fairfax PR person, captures the Fairfax madness:

And, Chelsea, one other thing….

You lost Andrew Rule because he wanted, and reportedly had been promised, the London bureau. Except he didn’t get it because Fairfax is so politically correct, some numpty decided that, since there was someone with XY genes in the US, the London gig had to go to an XXer.

You lose a great writer. You lose great copy from England. Someone is going to get a nice Trophies-R-Us tin cup for the mantelpiece hailing their achievements in gender equity, but the inscription will need a footnote: “Awarded to someone who worked for a paper that no longer exists.”

For God’s sake, get smart.

The entire Mumbrella post and thread is worth reading if you’re interested in the spectacle of a company flushing itself down the toilet.

areff

24 May 12 at 10:00 am
Lose a limb.. hey still have the other one. The rationalizing starts.

The latest poll from Quinnipiac University shows President Obama with a six-point deficit in Florida, 41 percent to Mitt Romney’s 47 percent. Romney also gets much better ratings on the economy — 50 percent say that the Republican is better able to handle the economy, compared to 40 percent for Obama. Forty-four percent say that they approve of the president’s job performance, and his unfavorables have risen to 50 percent.

Predictably, this poll has led to warnings of doom for President Obama. But I’m not too surprised by the outcome.

In the next few weeks we should be hearing how the Demolition party will be really competitive in 2016.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:05 am
Wow, i never thought it was possible, but I think we’ve found the American version of Phil Coorey.

By contrast, while it’s possible for Romney to win the presidency without Florida, it’s unlikely: He would be the first Republican to do so, ever. If this election is as close as it looks, then a Romney advantage in Florida should be expected.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:06 am
I just posted a profound thought about Fairfax and it appears to have vanished. Is there a problem?

areff

24 May 12 at 10:08 am
What? Fairfax has vanished?

Gab

24 May 12 at 10:10 am
Sorry, areff, couldna hep meself

Gab

24 May 12 at 10:10 am
Here, I’ll try again:

Regarding Fairfax, there was an interesting thread at Mumbrella, the media/marketing site, when the latest circulation figures came out. Mumbrella threads generally lean toward the left but this one featured some inside dope and had the clarity of a man about to be hanged. This comment from “Back Bencher”, replying to a Fairfax PR person, captures the Fairfax madness:

And, Chelsea, one other thing….

You lost Andrew Rule because he wanted, and reportedly had been promised, the London bureau. Except he didn’t get it because Fairfax is so politically correct, some numpty decided that, since there was someone with XY genes in the US, the London gig had to go to an XXer.

You lose a great writer. You lose great copy from England. Someone is going to get a nice Trophies-R-Us tin cup for the mantelpiece hailing their achievements in gender equity, but the inscription will need a footnote: “Awarded to someone who worked for a paper that no longer exists.”

For God’s sake, get smart.

The entire Mumbrella post and thread is worth reading if you’re interested in the spectacle of a company flushing itself down the toilet.

areff

24 May 12 at 10:13 am
An Exit From Europe Would Be Our Own Greek Tragedy

Greece is going through one of its periodic self-mutilations. After trying for decades to become a full member of the European Union, and succeeding, it’s doing its best to get thrown out.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:15 am
Here, I’ll try again. And no, Gab, Fairfax is still with us, but at 64 cents, not for much longer:

Regarding Fairfax, there was an interesting thread at Mumbrella, the media/marketing site, when the latest circulation figures came out. Mumbrella threads generally lean toward the left but this one featured some inside dope and had the clarity of a man about to be hanged. This comment from “Back Bencher”, replying to a Fairfax PR person, captures the Fairfax madness:

And, Chelsea, one other thing….

You lost Andrew Rule because he wanted, and reportedly had been promised, the London bureau. Except he didn’t get it because Fairfax is so politically correct, some numpty decided that, since there was someone with XY genes in the US, the London gig had to go to an XXer.

You lose a great writer. You lose great copy from England. Someone is going to get a nice Trophies-R-Us tin cup for the mantelpiece hailing their achievements in gender equity, but the inscription will need a footnote: “Awarded to someone who worked for a paper that no longer exists.”

For God’s sake, get smart.

The entire Mumbrella post and thread is worth reading if you’re interested in the spectacle of a company flushing itself down the toilet.

areff

24 May 12 at 10:15 am
If you’d thought the parliament had sunk to an all time low imagine an opposition MP brandishing the “smoking gun” (used franger) on the floor…

Cory Olsen

24 May 12 at 10:31 am
hahahahahaha You gotta love the New York Times. the paper is one huge Phil Coorey in its entirety.

This piece is the up to the minute goings on in Europe under the banner titled

“Europe”

You get this:

BERLIN — With Greece’s membership in the euro zone teetering, fears of bank insolvency rising and Europe’s leaders bickering about what to do, the euro crisis is once again intensifying and threatening to undermine fragile growth globally.
Related in Opinion

At a summit meeting in Brussels on Wednesday, regional leaders failed to signal any concrete new steps to stimulate the sputtering regional economy or resolve the competing agendas of President François Hollande of France, who favors stronger steps to spur growth, and his German counterpart, Chancellor Angela Merkel, who has opposed aggressive moves to ease the pressure on Europe’s weakest economies.

and this this
Yet, the urgency for a solution to the region’s debt crisis, now in its third year, may never have been greater.

and this…

New reports of policy makers instructing member countries to prepare for a possible Greek exit, whether in the halls of the European Central Bank in Frankfurt or the finance ministries of the national capitals, added to the growing anxiety even as the official denials flew from Germany and elsewhere.

and then you get this…

Problems in Europe pose a threat to President Obama’s re-election plans as well,

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/world/europe/euro-crisis-intensifies-as-leaders-bicker.html

JC

24 May 12 at 10:38 am
Bolt now praising ALBANESE as Labor star and great parliamentary performer.

Get a grip, man.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 10:39 am
I think he’s being nice to him because he appeared on his program.

Not to Bolt. Stop being nice to the other side if they appear on your program.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:41 am
He really dislikes the Kenyan.

Trump

I’m Mulling Own Super PAC to Defeat Obama

Trump: Euro Collapse Could Be Good for US

Yea it would be great for the US. We need a crash of a vital economic region every day Donald.

Trump on Obamacare: SCOTUS Should Throw It Out

That’s what I’m thinking too.

Trump: My Wife Warned Me Off Facebook

She also not just a pretty face, she’s also a financial genius.

Trump Quips on Romney VP Choice: ‘Me’

Great idea. That would really work out well.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:47 am
They could have been Obama’s sons:

Thrill Killing – Five Thugs Murder White Delivery Man For Fun and Pizza in St. Louis.

Happened near Martin Luther King Drive.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 10:49 am
Possible poll turn-around tactic for Gillard, Roxon:

Mexican congressional candidate appears in topless billboard.

Her colleagues follow her lead in SFW pic.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 10:52 am
Not(e) to Bolt. Stop being nice to the other side if they appear on your program.

All political journalists are suckers for colour and movement, JC. Albo is a modern-day, poor man’s Paul Keating/Bob Hawke: a dial-a-quote who can also cry on cue. In journospeak, he’s great copy.

Tom

24 May 12 at 10:54 am
I said yesterday – Bolt’s character judgement has always been suspect, but now it is positively terrible.

Getting his own TV program has made him soft to the luvvies in an attempt to get him on the show. A few more years and he’ll be pandering to the politicians like all the other TV hosts.

Print works much better for tearing people a new one when they deserve it. Someone who does print and TV always compromises their print columns.

brc

24 May 12 at 11:00 am
Another awful US stock

http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/app

It has basically made losses three years running. If Europe goes, I’m calling time of death as Aug 2012.

.

24 May 12 at 11:09 am
C.L.,

A worthy cause. Although I believe she should have only three of the seven on that. Sorry.

.

24 May 12 at 11:10 am
I said yesterday – Bolt’s character judgement has always been suspect, but now it is positively terrible.

Print works much better for tearing people a new one when they deserve it. Someone who does print and TV always compromises their print columns.

Getting his own TV program has made him soft to the luvvies in an attempt to get him on the show. A few more years and he’ll be pandering to the politicians like all the other TV hosts.

brc

24 May 12 at 11:11 am
Bolt liked Gillard before she turned sour, then he was backing Rudd…

Now he likes Albanese and Howes.. Hard to see this will turn out any differently…

(to be fair there are good points to these two, but they are heavily overwhelmed by the negative)

Cory Olsen

24 May 12 at 11:13 am
oops sorry, it warned me about duplicates and everything but I thought I knew better. /chastised

brc

24 May 12 at 11:14 am
Rudd’s wife made it on the BRW 200 RICH list at 199. But that’s okay, no need to disparage her because she’s not Gina.

Gab

24 May 12 at 11:19 am
“NBN CO CHIEF executive Mike Quigley will admit tonight the $36 billion national broadband network faces significant construction challenges as he prepares to lower official connection forecasts.”

What does Dot say…oh yeah, the NBN will cost $200b and will never be finished.

Well, they’re on track.

Gab

24 May 12 at 11:21 am
Gillard government has spent $53,000 to run a website.

Golly, Sinclair, never knew blogs were so expensive to run. Makes one appreciate this blog. Thanks for providing the Cat and taking care of the bills.

Gab

24 May 12 at 11:23 am
From the editorial of today’s NT News

….and another thing

THE Environment Centre is clearly using taxpayers’ money to campaign for pro Green party candidates in the Territory election. This is scandalous. Both major parties should look at the organisation’s funding and decide whether what is, in effect, a branch of a political party should be funded by the public.

Stuart Blanche, director of the Environment Centre is standing as an independent ‘because he is not Green enough for the Greens’ (ABC interview).

Helen Armstrong

24 May 12 at 11:24 am
Gillard government has spent $53,000 to run a website.

I thought it was about $3500 to set up a polished one.

If you’re not a bank or a large retailer…you have simply engaged in graft.

The NBN will cost 200 bn + and never be completed.

.

24 May 12 at 11:28 am
Rudd’s wife made it on the BRW 200 RICH list at 199. But that’s okay, no need to disparage her because she’s not Gina.

FXJ’s decision to deny Lang’s girl a board seat is utterly irrational and will prove expensive. For a start, it doubles her determination to buy the whole shebang at a fire-sale price when the arse falls out of it. She just has to wait. She will pick up media assets with industry-leading growth potential – that is, the restoration of lost readership that will follow the sacking of most of the current management who have sacrificed financial performance, credibility and respect to satisfy a mad political ideology.

Tom

24 May 12 at 11:30 am
Gab’s link on the NBN

http://www.afr.com/p/business/companies/nbn_struggles_to_connect_KGNzgUbWkt4X1j0eYQjpGN

.

24 May 12 at 11:30 am
Great link to the Mumbrella thread, areff. I agree with nearly everything Back Bencher says in the thread, particularly:

In Melbourne, you have the top-rated radio station by a country mile, but there is no synergy with The Age. Why? Well, the people who produce the Age sneer at Middle Melbourne, which used to be what their display advertisers — when they had display advertisers, that is — wanted to reach. Politics aside, how dumb is it to focus an editorial product on 15% of the market, which is where the Age’s Green Left politics take it?

They do – they hate their potential readers!

You know what you should do? Make The Age a tabloid, re-target middle-to-upper Melbourne and take on the increasingly moronic Herald Sun.

Yep – the Hun has become little more than the TV week crossed with New Idea – with the Footy Record for the sports pages. For those of us who want some quality but are nauseated by the Age – we have nowhere to go.

Matt

24 May 12 at 11:38 am
dot – the simple task of running a website is why the climate alarmists insist on believing that there must be some shadowy big oil funded group behind all the blogs that are everywhere.

All those in government and academia cannot conceive of a website that doesn’t cost x0,000 a year to run. That’s because every time they try and put one together, it has to go through the diversity committee, a funded weekend away with flip charts and organic lattes. Then they insist on paying lots of money to people with oversized glasses and funny shoes to take them through concepts.

The realclimate website is such an example. Set up by Fenton Communication it reportedly cost a bomb to set up.

Meanwhile, climateaudit and wattsupwiththat are thrown together on free wordpress software and cheap hosting, use basic themes and just start pumping out the information.

The alarmists sit back and cannot believe their reach, impact and scope of the sceptic websites. They scratch their head. These guys must be spending millions, they think. Imagine how many organic lattes they must have had to come up with all those ideas! How big is their diversity and sustainability committee?

brc

24 May 12 at 11:40 am
@Matt – try Brisbane or QLD in general. The Courier Mail is an embarrassment of a paper. Yet try and find something else to read. Bad luck, try the Australian or the Australian.

brc

24 May 12 at 11:42 am
Thanks, Dot. And here’s the link for the blog story. (I’ll stop being lazy and put up the links),

Outcry over $53k taxpayer funded Gillard Government online blogs outsourced by Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet to private think tanks the Lowy Institute and the Australia Institute of International Affairs

THE Gillard Government has spent $53,000 on something thousands of Australians do for free – running a blog.

Taxpayers will foot the bill for two blogs for about three months, featuring little more than articles about Australia-Asia relations.

Just one reader has bothered to leave a comment on the blogs, despite the sites being designed to engage with the public and the Government describing them as an “online conversation”.

One of the two blogs doesn’t even allow reader comment, a staple of online blogs. It does, however, allow Facebook “likes”, with most posts garnering between just zero and five likes as of last night.

Gab

24 May 12 at 11:44 am
Even for a story on strollers, journalists at the Age won’t travel past Fitzroy North.

But at a North Fitzroy mothers’ group meeting yesterday …

The baby boom suburbs in Melbourne are not inner-city but on the city fringes – in the City of Wyndham, City of Casey, City of Whittlesea and Shire of Melton. This is where young mothers live and their views on strollers may have been interesting. However your average Age journalist wouldn’t be able to find these suburbs on a map!

The Age is written for an ever-shrinking circle of like-minded people who share the green left views of the journalists and editors. It infects all parts of the paper, even the sports pages. Martin Flanagan and Greg Baum never miss an opportunity to talk federal politics in Aussie Rules articles!

The Age will die if it does not change direction soon. It will probably die anyway. It is Melbourne’s oldest daily and will be missed – by me at least.

Matt

24 May 12 at 11:46 am
I do actually like the Lowy Institute blog and read it everyday. I didn’t know it got govt funding. But yes, it doesn’t have comments. I guess that is to avoid legal troubles.

jtfsoon

24 May 12 at 11:46 am
Is Rudd giving shout outs to that blog on facebook? He’s such a political and strategic genius, his profile will be bigger than (un)holy trinity of Carr, Faulkner and Shorten soon. Worthy of praise with Gen. Monash.

We’re finally safe if Graf von Tony Abbot Abbot Abbot takes down the hefty redoubtable of Mont San Canard de Arriyre.

.

24 May 12 at 11:50 am
The Age is written for an ever-shrinking circle of like-minded people who share the green left views of the journalists and editors. It infects all parts of the paper, even the sports pages. Martin Flanagan and Greg Baum never miss an opportunity to talk federal politics in Aussie Rules articles!

Soon it will be a cicrle jerk that quickly turns into a creepy seance.

.

24 May 12 at 11:51 am
Craig Thomson has made an extraordinary appeal to be left alone, fronting a media pack this morning to plead ‘‘enough is enough’’.

Resign.

Matt

24 May 12 at 11:53 am
IT, thanks for that, Paleo has too many carbs for me – I am very sensitive after years of drinking rum and cokes and beer. Yep back to the Taubes bible. Cheers

Helen Armstrong

24 May 12 at 11:56 am
Paleo has too many carbs for me

Hardcore.

.

24 May 12 at 11:58 am
Martin Flanagan and Greg Baum never miss an opportunity to talk federal politics in Aussie Rules articles

Here’s Martin Flanagan writing about the 2004 AFL Grand Final:

“The two teams come together for the national anthem. I don’t know it yet but this will be my biggest football experience since the 2001 first semifinal between Carlton and Richmond, the first game played after 9/11. That day, I learnt the game was so irrationally powerful within me it could briefly overcome my sense of foreboding about the world and where it was headed. Now, three years later, with my foreboding starting to look like foresight, with talk of President Bush invading Iran if he wins re-election and John Howard saying he will launch pre-emptive military strikes into Asia, I’ve come to the game feeling like a helpless bystander to history.”

I don’t know about you, but I remember settling down to watch that game expecting to watch an absorbing contest in a brave, skilful and athletic sport that I love. I guess I simply mustn’t be as deep a thinker as Martin Flanagan.

(NB: where he got that bit about JH “launching pre-emptive military strikes into Asia” could only be explained by someone who had spent time in The Age canteen, inhaling that heady aroma of mung beans, organic carob and skinny soy decaf latte.)

James in Melbourne

24 May 12 at 12:09 pm
I am sure that Ms Rein has acted honestly and honourably at all times but …

… if the wife of a leader of an African country made herself a millionaire through supplying services under contract to governments – what would we think.

Matt

24 May 12 at 12:21 pm
I don’t even blame Ms Rein, Job Network was always a terrible thing.

It created incentives to employ poor quality staff. A subsidy of $800 was received when someone got a job and was taken off welfare – whilst at the same time the high EMTRs for welfare to work still existed.

.

24 May 12 at 12:26 pm
I guess I simply mustn’t be as deep a thinker as Martin Flanagan.

Flanagan’s fervent sermons, delivered with the certainty that they are the word of the one true god (Marx), have been an embarrassing joke for years among the staff.

Tom

24 May 12 at 12:27 pm
enough is enough

Right, Craig.

So resign already.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 12:32 pm
The Age, the only newspaper in Australia involved in a News of the World type hacking scandal goes on to show the Victorian Parliament utter contempt:

THE Age newspaper refused to co-operate with a parliamentary inquiry into allegations a Labor Party database had been hacked.

The same paper carries views that the News Ltd media should be “regulated”.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/the-ages-refusal-to-co-operate-with-parliamentary-inquiry-branded-offensive-by-committee/story-fn7x8me2-1226365440466

twostix

24 May 12 at 12:36 pm
LOL:

MP Craig Thomson has lashed out at the media amid reports that a commercial TV network has paid $60,000 to a prostitute who says he was once one of her clients.

The suspended Labor MP called an impromptu press conference in Canberra today, saying reports of the paid interview “defied credibility“.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-24/thomson-hits-back-at-journalism-at-its-worst/4030490

C.L.

24 May 12 at 12:37 pm
Hey, don’t be too hard on Flanagan. He hasn’t written a column on the instinctive magnificence of Indigenous AFL players for at least two weeks.

areff

24 May 12 at 12:39 pm
Tom, I gather you know something about the inner workings of Fairfax. How come the adults on staff haven’t revolted? Or are there no adults left?

areff

24 May 12 at 12:44 pm
What would Michelle Obama look like with a c–k in her mouth? Well, according to the American left, that’s now a reasonable question, as well as reasonable grounds for a photoshop.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 12:45 pm
Me yesterday:

Big news story de jour is Gine Rinehart’s new-found status as the world’s richest woman ($30 billion).

How long before she’s given another class war touch-up by DC and the Lying Rodent?

Today:

WAYNE Swan has seized on Gina Rinehart’s new-found status as the world’s richest woman, declaring she doesn’t need a tax cut from Tony Abbott.

The Treasurer, who has waged a public campaign against wealthy mining magnates, said Ms Rinehart was doing well enough to pay Labor’s mining tax, which the Coalition has promised to axe.

“As I have said repeatedly, we celebrate wealth creation in this country but we want even more people to have a stake in our success and we don’t think the world’s richest woman needs the tax cut Mr Abbott has promised her,” he told The Australian Online.

“We are spreading the benefits of the boom by ensuring all Australians benefit from the resources everyone owns, not just a fortunate few.”

C.L.

24 May 12 at 12:48 pm
Cupp does the hot nerd thing well.

.

24 May 12 at 12:51 pm
No adults left, Areff. Kids are much cheaper. The collapse of standards resulted from cost-cutting in the ’90s by owners who didn’t know what they were doing (chiefly Brierley Investments, which also destroyed Ansett).

Tom

24 May 12 at 1:00 pm
Fuck twitter #auspol it is a cesspit of shit.

twostix

24 May 12 at 1:01 pm
George Megalogenis takes his Gillard worship to new heights of near Thompsonian fantasy:

The war on whingeing.

This week, the OECD declared us the world’s happiest people.

What would they know, eh? The carbon tax will ruin us. So will the mining tax.

And to make matters worse, the carbon tax won’t cut our greenhouse gas emissions, while the miners won’t pay the mining tax.

That’s how the typical Australian whinge goes. First these taxes are bad because they are taxes. Then they are rotten because they won’t work…

Today I’d like to smoke out the whingers. Give me the worst thing you can say about Australia and I’ll reply with a glass half full view.

First commenter:

The hung parliament gives shelter and shielding to ratbags and scumbags. It degenerates our parliament and nation, stuck with a worthless and weak government prepared to do and say anything for/to anyone, just to cling to power.

I have worked on the assumptions our whinging must be based in truth.

Megalogenis enters the thread:

The hung parliament has achieved more than the previous three terms of government combined.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 1:01 pm
George would make a great Greek Finance minster.

JC

24 May 12 at 1:10 pm
Don’t necessarily expect Cat types to agree but this headline in Bolt’s blog left me cold.

Carr’s “deal” would be a bogan’s triumph

The man can be such a judgmental prig sometimes. (A starring role in The Crucible?) I can be as judgmental as the next person on occasion but …

she’s a young woman of a dignified bearing despite everything – and it strikes me she has suffered enough.

PS I thought he was against the class war FFS.

Viva

24 May 12 at 1:14 pm
I agree Viva.

She doesn’t deserve to serve more time than can necessarily be helped for being of poor taste.

jtfsoon

24 May 12 at 1:15 pm
That a ‘lighter skin is desirable’ meme exists is correct. However I’ve never ever heard of an Asian (i.e. by which I mean a Northeast Asian – Chinese, Japanese, Korean) use a skin whitener product. This seems to be a peculiarly Indian thing.

This makes me doubt you’ve ever been to Northeast Asia – and I know you have, so I can only assume you weren’t paying attention. You are 100% wrong. Skin whitening products are found EVERYWHERE in south-east/east Asia. According to several western women I’ve known since moving to the Orient, it’s nigh-on impossible to get skin moisturiser etc that ISN’T whitening in supermarkets and pharmacies in China, Vietnam, South Korea and so on. I’ve personally seen several supermarket shelves full of various kinds whitening creams in China, HK and Vietnam. They’re absolutely mad for the stuff.

No, east Asians are just as crazy about white skin as the Indians are, and they go to similarly crazy – possibly moreso – lengths to ensure they don’t get a tan. I currently live in a hot, sub-tropical part of Asia where, on the very hottest and sunniest days, the women who are concerned about such things cover themselves from head to toe in thick jumpers, pants and facemasks. They must be boiling alive under all that blanketing. Now if they’re willing to get trussed up in that kind of gear in the sweltering heat to avoid “getting black”, you’d best believe they’re using skin whitening products.

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 1:15 pm
I stand corrected, OCO.

I don’t exactly pay attention to the moisturiser shelves unlike, say, Infidel Tiger.

I have heard of nose surgery to look European, just not the skin whitening angle. I do know they go out of the way to *avoid* a tan but that is a wholly different matter,

jtfsoon

24 May 12 at 1:19 pm
@twostix : aye. Used to be a time where you could read a funny quip or find an interesting article linked.

Now its :
Abbot Sucks I hate Him
RT Abbot Sucks I hate Him #yeahhedoes
RT RT Abbott Sucks I hate him #abbotsux #filthyliberals
RT RT RT Abbott Sucks I hate him #abbotsux

and so on.

Twitter invented the retweet button so the feed wouldn’t get echo-chambered, but the halfwits still like to do it the old way so they can add more insults.

brc

24 May 12 at 1:19 pm
So if everyone is tending to towards the average whites like darker skin and non-euro like lighter skin what would be the perfect composite pigment then?

It would have to be slightly darker whitish, yea?

Possibly say Moroccan coloring?

JC

24 May 12 at 1:24 pm
Jason: Chinese and Korean girls are also crazy-obsessed with “double eyelids”, and often have surgery to get this done done. I had no idea what a “double eyelid” was until informed recently – white people have them naturally and so of course I’d never given this a second thought. It’s the roll of skin that’s your eyelid that forms when your eye is open.

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 1:25 pm
@jc to quote that god-awful song on high rotation a while back ‘…she had skin the color of mocha’

brc

24 May 12 at 1:26 pm
OCO

I actually have double eyelids. I think a large minority of Chinese/Japanese/Koreans do not (e.g. my dad doesn’t).

In Vietnam, I understand they are called ‘Chinese eyelids’ because the native Viets have them but Chinese are less likely to.

Basically the more ‘southern’ Austronesian genetics you may have (e.g. Viets, Thais, Khmers) – the more likely you are to have them whereas the mmore pureblooded ‘Northern’ Asian you are the less likely.

jtfsoon

24 May 12 at 1:29 pm
Viva

Dignified young woman? You are joking aren’t you?

Rococo Liberal

24 May 12 at 1:31 pm
As far as I’m aware, the craze for pale skin in Asia and India predates widespread contact with Europeans. Pale skin = not a worker (esp. farmer), ie. it was and is a signifier of wealth. This has been true for millenia.

There are, however, several features that come naturally to Caucasian women but not to (east) Asian women which many young Asian women covet, and are thus having work done to emulate these features – ie. rounder eyes, double eyelids, straighter, longer, less flat noses, bigger boobs etc. Obviously this is a much more recent phenomenon and is probably due to the widespread dissemination of western media throughout the region.

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 1:32 pm
In Vietnam, I understand they are called ‘Chinese eyelids’ because the native Viets have them but Chinese are less likely to.

Shouldn’t that be the other way around? If Chinese don’t have double eyelids and Viets do, shouldn’t double eylids be known as Viet Eyelids?

Rococo Liberal

24 May 12 at 1:34 pm
“Don’t necessarily expect Cat types to agree but this headline in Bolt’s blog left me cold. ”

yeah,
Viva i’m with you on that, A.Bolt seemed so condescending called people “bogans” – i reckon it doesn’t matter your cultural interests/aspects if you work and pay your way honestly, it’s nobody’s business your lifestyle.

he’s doing a bit of his own “class war” there himself. odd.

candy

24 May 12 at 1:34 pm
OCO

The bigger boobs thing is definitely a winner in my book.. the others.. who cares

JC

24 May 12 at 1:34 pm
Of course, it was the same in Northern Europe, too – until the 50s when having a tan showed you were wealthy enough to be able to afford a holiday somewhere hot. So not being pale became a signifier of wealth.

Now, of course, tanning does not require substantial resources.

In Australia, of course, having a tan was never a signifier of wealth for obvious reasons – and seeing as though people in general lead fairly outdoorsy existences, not having a tan doesn’t signify much. I’d say having a tan is generally equated to health rather than wealth.

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 1:38 pm
Yeah RL, I meant to say ‘no double eyelids’

jtfsoon

24 May 12 at 1:38 pm
JC: not a fan of big boobs – they’re cold. And fake boobs just don’t feel right.

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 1:40 pm
Bolt’s an idiot for calling people Bogans over the woman in the Idon jail thing. However he’s really on the right track about the current government’s cynical attempt to get her out if indeed there is some sort of prisoner swap deal going on.

Those morons.. particualrly the lying slapper thinks it will ingratiate her to people, that’s all.

They aren’t hard to figure out.

I mean for FFS they’ve callously ignored 1000 people drowning boaties so Da Abbott isn’t seen getting a leg up and they killed 4 people in the Lurch Rudd Hothouse conversion racket, so they aren’t exactly a government concerned about anything other than the polls.

Please don’t get me started on an anti Slapper today as I’ve been in a good mood most of the day.

JC

24 May 12 at 1:40 pm
OCO

I’d say there’s a racial angle involved too, just not a European racial angle.

In India the lighter skinned Aryans conquererd the darker skinned Austronesian Dravidians and became the higher caste.

Even in China long ago, before the people who founded Chinese civilisation expanded southward, the Southern Chinese and SE Asians looked a lot darker and were more Austronesian (an ethnicity that extends to the Pacific islands) than they are now. Current southern Chinese and SE Asians are basically a result of relatuvely recent mixing of Northern Han Chinese and Southern Austronesian genes. The royalty of the associated kingdoms throughout SE Asia which used to pay tribute to China and accept royal concubines from them would stand to reason, expect to be fairer.

jtfsoon

24 May 12 at 1:43 pm
Big bazookas and pert derrieres are terribly important.

The rest is just dross.

JamesK

24 May 12 at 1:44 pm
All this makes me just love the human race to bits. It’s the height of fashion in Asia to look white by staying out of the sun at all costs, because it’s the “rich” look, while the rich whiteys are prepared to risk melanoma in tanning salons to get the chic brown look.

Tom

24 May 12 at 1:45 pm
JC: some of the results of the work are simply ridiculous. You see pictures of these young Chinese or Korean girls whose eyes are like the shape of an egg standing up. They look insane. And of course they’re sporting some stupid pout.

They generally want to look like mangga characters – big eyes.

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 1:46 pm
They could have been Obama’s sons:

Thrill Killing – Five Thugs Murder White Delivery Man For Fun and Pizza in St. Louis.

Happened near Martin Luther King Drive.

Impossible CL, Les Majesty told us repeatedly yesterday that blacks in the US are oure as the driven snow and never hurt white people, or if they do then never for racist reasons, only because they are are victims of a racist society.

Rococo Liberal

24 May 12 at 1:48 pm
Jason: yes, that’s definitely true. The main furphy I would like to see debunked is the kneejerk assumption that Indians and Asians covet white skin because of the European influence. Talk about cultural narcissism!

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 1:49 pm
while the rich whiteys are prepared to risk melanoma in tanning salons to get the chic brown look.

Not rich whiteys, bogan whiteys

Rococo Liberal

24 May 12 at 1:49 pm
OCO

I don’t think gals ought to mess around with their facial features as I don’t believe medical science is good enough yet. The results are generally appalling.

However the boobs side, if done with great care and non-obsession with huge lugs can be good…. at least from what I’ve seen in terms of results.

And to be honest seeing an Asian woman with decent sized boobs .. not distastefully huge.. is very alluring in my honest opinion.

JC

24 May 12 at 1:53 pm
Speaking of tanning …

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/120502/tdy_tan_mom_120502.standard.jpg

jtfsoon

24 May 12 at 1:54 pm
Happily my Mrs is and has…naturally

I did a smiley. I never do smilies. That’s how happy I am about that.

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 1:55 pm
Not rich whiteys, bogan whiteys

Come on RL. A nice slightly colored tinge looks great on a gal especially the legs.

Stop being silly. You’re far too narrow minded.

I’m not talking about a roasted monster by the way.

JC

24 May 12 at 1:57 pm
Speaking of tanning

she looks like what I reckon you’d look like if you managed to survive a nuke attack.

JC

24 May 12 at 1:58 pm
I gotta say, the aussie dollar really looks like it’s about to go over a cliff. It has that feel to it.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:01 pm
I’m not a fan of huge (natural) boobs. Firstly, as I said earlier, I’ve found them to be cold. Secondly, if you decide to spend your life with a gal with large assets, those babies are only going to head in one direction – especially after kids, but even if there are none.

Implants feel weird. Perhaps there are other procedures that women can have done which have less of an influence. I don’t claim to be an expert.

Personally, I like ‘em medium-small.

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 2:01 pm
fuck I really need to open a foreign currency account

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 2:01 pm
And to be honest seeing an Asian woman with decent sized boobs .. not distastefully huge.. is very alluring in my honest opinion.

It’s the jackpot if you convince them to dye their hair blonde. Why? Because few Asian women have big butts.

Yobbo taught me that.

.

24 May 12 at 2:02 pm
The risk you run with that is that Asian women who dye their hair blonde can end up looking like prostitutes.

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 2:04 pm
What the hell is a double eyelid?

C.L.

24 May 12 at 2:05 pm
Truth be told, they are more likely to dye their hair blue or pink, as OCO notes they really want to be Manga characters.

.

24 May 12 at 2:05 pm
Hang on Dot… you like blond Asian women? Really?

JC

24 May 12 at 2:05 pm
What the hell is a double eyelid?

Before and after

http://www.beautifulbeings.co.uk/news/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/double-eyelid.jpg

jtfsoon

24 May 12 at 2:06 pm
Why do you perverts want to change Asian women into skanky Silcon Valley sex puppets? Love them for who they are.

Infidel Tiger

24 May 12 at 2:06 pm
Don’t necessarily expect Cat types to agree but this headline in Bolt’s blog left me cold.

Carr’s “deal” would be a bogan’s triumph

The man can be such a judgmental prig sometimes.

I agree entirely, Viva.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 2:07 pm
What the hell is a double eyelid?

Dunno. I think it really means rounder eyes as the final look.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:08 pm
More like white with the attributes James notes but usually blonde…I was taking ‘Yobbo’s insurance policy’ on the derrière.

.

24 May 12 at 2:08 pm
IT: damn straight. Asian girls are gorgeous just the way they are.

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 2:08 pm
Gillard the communist a-hole in the House re the mining boom:

Australians are wondering ‘where’s my share?’

C.L.

24 May 12 at 2:08 pm
Why do you perverts want to change Asian women into skanky Silcon Valley sex puppets? Love them for who they are.

You know, you can buy an option package on BMW and Mercedes, IT.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:09 pm
Lots of Asians don’t have a crease in their eyelids,Lad

Tal

24 May 12 at 2:10 pm
some Islamic women dye their hair blonde, my haidresser told me that, she has a special room to do their hair as they don’t want to be seen in public getting their hair done, and then they cover up their blonde hair with their head covering.

it’s for their hubbies.

candy

24 May 12 at 2:11 pm
I was taking ‘Yobbo’s insurance policy’ on the derrière.

Oh yea. He’s obsessed with that, isn’t he.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:11 pm
JC, if you want a nice Thai girl with cupholders, leather trim and run flat tyres, knock yourself out.

Infidel Tiger

24 May 12 at 2:11 pm
Why do you perverts want to change Asian women into skanky Silcon Valley sex puppets? Love them for who they are.

Hear hear.

Asian women are lovely.

Recollect that Soon dismissed Lucy Liu as “too gooky looking.”

C.L.

24 May 12 at 2:11 pm
some Islamic women dye their hair blonde, my haidresser told me that,

Total waste of money if they’re covering it up.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:12 pm
Hustler magazine has been grossly offensive about any politician or figure with a conservative line on sexual matters for decades. I imagine, given the vast quantities of free internet porn now available, that it also has a much smaller readership than ever before, and hardly represents “the Left”.

The Right, at least as represented by the blogs CL reads (including Breitbart, whose “vetting” of Obama is just laughable stuff now – have you seen the one about what he wore in a parade years ago?) has just gone ridiculous. It has also taken a legitimate enough point about liberal bias in some reporting about the Zimmerman case to an ugly (and implicitly racist) extreme by licking its lips over every media report of a black person killing a white person, as if white people are the victims of a race war being waged against them by blacks. (Also by embracing and promoting every single alleged character defect of Martin, and talking as if Zimmerman is just an unlucky righteous dude and blacks had no right to complain about the clear inadequacies in the handling of the case at the start.)

I think it does no one any credit to join in this “look at who blacks have killed today” campaign that is underway in some US blogs.

steve from brisbane

24 May 12 at 2:14 pm
JC, if you want a nice Thai girl with cupholders, leather trim and run flat tyres, knock yourself out.

Oh Okay, Henry Ford. No options.. Just the basic model.

Dude, get used to it

The world is fast moving to customization.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:15 pm
Australians are wondering ‘where’s my share?’

In the cab of a truck out in the middle of dusty inland Australia you lazy fuckers. Or in your Superfund, or on the share market.

Oh wait “Australians” aren’t actually thinking that at all, just the few remaining mentally unstable commies that are left lingering in the Labor party are wishing Australia would think that so they can steal the miners dollars in order to fund just whatever in the hell it is that commies think is missing from society these days.

twostix

24 May 12 at 2:17 pm
Step:

Were you busy with the ironing all day?

The conversation has moved on. Please keep up with the class.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:18 pm
Hustler also tried to do religious porn.

Flynt is a mad bastard.

I like a strict separation of porn and religion.

.

24 May 12 at 2:18 pm
Walked into The Peninsula, Bangkok, and I lost all power of speech. I know all five-star hotels discriminate heavily when choosing staff that the public will see, but this was on another level. Beauty of a rare degree. Kind of needed to see that, too, after Phuket – to see Thai girls whose jobs didn’t require them to be on a pole, or simulating interest in unspeakably disgusting Russians, or indeed not being girls at all.

James in Melbourne

24 May 12 at 2:18 pm
I don’t read Brietbart, Steve.

If I catch a link to them somewhere else, I’ll have a look.

But we’re all rolling about the floor at you, Herman Cain black sex machine moral panic merchant, decrying racism.

Ahahahahaha.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 2:21 pm
JC: don’t mind Steve, he’s just in a snit that we’ve been talking about women and women’s bits – and not penises.

Now, JC – I have a chunk of cash in a regular savings account at a large Australian bank. I’m not in Australia at present. I really want to get out of AUD. The bank have told me I can’t open a foreign currency account without being in Australia. Is there any institution that open an FX account for me remotely that you know of?

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 2:23 pm
Stepford reminds me of the dude in this act. He’s always at least 3 hours past a topic.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:23 pm
OCO – just go CFD and fuck the bank off.

.

24 May 12 at 2:25 pm
OCO

You don’t really have to convert the cash if you have a brokerage account with a all services broker. Just sell Aussie against the currency of your choice for the equal amount of cash and you end up with the same result but in different accounts obviously.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:26 pm
Yea what dot said with less of my babbling.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:27 pm
Can I do that from overseas? This is the kicker. I asked my bank if they would send electronic documents – no, you gotta be there in person. Can I appoint someone to have authority over my accounts and have them do it (good old mumsy)? No, you have to be here in person. FFS!

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 2:29 pm
OCO

If you can’t do what dot and I suggested then transfer the aussie dollars (as aussie dollars) to a local bank where you are and convert the aussie with the Asian bank.

If you have say a Citi account they will do it. They’re whores for a fee.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:31 pm
Thompson lied about ACA payment:

THE Nine Network’s A Current Affair (ACA) denies paying $60,000 to a former prostitute who it says has provided new evidence on Craig Thomson.

Executive producer Grant Williams says he has a statutory declaration from the woman, who was working in Sydney during the mid-2000s.

“There is a statutory declaration that has been completed by a former prostitute,” he told Macquarie Radio.

Mr Thomson has told News Ltd the former prostitute had been paid $60,000 for the interview and accused the program of “grubby checkbook journalism”.

But Mr Williams denied paying anyone for the interview.

It seems likely that Thompson is a genuine medical sociopath.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 2:31 pm
the few remaining mentally unstable commies that are left lingering in the Labor party

Stix, Most of the commies have left the ALP. They’re busy mining the Greens with Lee Rhiannon.

Tom

24 May 12 at 2:32 pm
It seems likely that Thompson is a genuine medical sociopath.

It follows that, but for the HSU scandal, he was destined to be leader of the Federal Parliamentary Labor Party.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 2:33 pm
Where did the 60G come from? He just made the number up? Wow.

He really needs to get the fuck out of Canberra or he’ll go crazy. I’m not saying that to be funny as he seems to be cracking up.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:34 pm
At this stage of the game I can categorically state we haven’t paid anyone and we haven’t broadcast anything …

I think Williams is dissembling a little here. I suspect the source has been told she will be paid if and when the piece makes it air after source checking and legalling etc.

So while Williams is most likely correct that the source has not been paid, I bet she has been promised a payment.

Matt

24 May 12 at 2:35 pm
JC: the problem is getting the money out again. The country I am in has currency restrictions (they are red pricks). Actually, I suppose it could be done but would rather keep the cash in Oz.

What you and dot are suggesting sounds like a great idea but I guess it’s impossible to do that OS.

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 2:37 pm
Sounds as though what that ALP guy on The Bolt Report was saying was dead-on. Thomson’s losing it and will either neck himself or be committed to an institution. Get ready for an election.

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 2:39 pm
The hung parliament has achieved more debt than the previous three terms of government combined.

There, fixed it for you, George.

Helen Armstrong

24 May 12 at 2:40 pm
What would happen if Thomson committed suicide? That would change the dynamic a lot.

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 2:43 pm
Ricky Stewart whining and crying about being losing to the Maroons.

He always was a little sook.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 2:45 pm
OCO

Do you have to be so blunt?

Yea it would change the dynamic a lot for him I’d say, in my humble opinion.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:46 pm
well yes. What I’m getting at is that the lying slapper could try the line that he was hounded to his grave by abbottabbottabbott.

Come on, who would put it past her?

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 2:49 pm
c.thomson seems to have gone through an awful lot of money and with a big paying job and still going bankrupt if Labor hadn’t bailed him, no savings money at all?

he must be a spendthrift of some sort.

candy

24 May 12 at 2:49 pm
And the guy genuinely seems to be losing it, bigtime. It’s not unheard of that people under such pressure take extreme measures.

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 2:50 pm
MP Craig Thomson says attacks are ‘pushing him to the brink’

Good to know… now just a little further!

Fleeced

24 May 12 at 2:50 pm
Come on, who would put it past her?

Well yes, of course she would. That’s basically axiomatic.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:51 pm
Candy

You don’t know that. You don’t know the deal he hatched up with the Liars Party behind closed doors. Since when would the Liars be concerned about means testing if it meant their own survival in government? Wand and the Slapper would print money if they could and it meant lasting in government. Means testing is for non ALP riff raff.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:54 pm
The thing is that it might actually get traction. You don’t think so?

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 2:55 pm
Abbott moving censure motion against Gillard. Arguing the procedurals.

Tom

24 May 12 at 2:56 pm
The thing is that it might actually get traction. You don’t think so?

Naaa.. We would then be held hostage against upholding the rule of law whenever a Liars Party apparatchik breaks the law or commits some really dirty crap because s/he may do a Hammygar with a can of Kero? If they try that shit on they would be in serious trouble as the punter isn’t buying it.

JC

24 May 12 at 2:58 pm
Did anyone else catch ABC News24′s 1pm news? They included footage of the AEC Commissioner’s statement last night on the AEC report.

I found only a couple of online mentions of it and those were buried within a couple of news items:

Australian Electoral Commissioner Ed Killesteyn last night hit back at Mr Thomson’s claims the AEC report had cleared the MP or cast doubt on Fair Work Australia’s findings.

Mr Thomson said on Monday the AEC report had “destroyed the credibility of the Fair Work investigation” and it had taken the body only three weeks to “come up with the truth” as opposed to FWA spending four years to “muck around” and get it wrong.

Mr Killesteyn told Senate estimates last night the report had no impact on the “veracity” of the FWA report.

He said the point of the report was solely to determine compliance with the disclosure laws, and he cautioned against making “anything more of the report”.

News24′s report did include footage of Abetz noting the AEC Commissioner’s statement and saying that it could be another example of Thomson misleading Parliament.

Tabitha N

24 May 12 at 3:01 pm
A death changes things. Sympathy can be drummed up, people would be less willing to talk about the sleaze in light of the recent deceased. Not speaking ill of the dead and all. I’m not certain it wouldn’t work in Gillard’s favour.

Oh come on

24 May 12 at 3:03 pm
Measure Thompson’s situation vis-a-vis what he did. He stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from nurses and orderlies (mostly women) to fund an apparent hooker addiction. He has lied to the union, to FWA (the statutory authority), the police, the Parliament and the ALP caucus. He also slandered Tony Abbott in the fucking Parliament. So WTF is Abbott supposed to do? Let him walk? Regarding his human, medical situation, I’ve said all along that a true leader – one with a heart, one with decency – would have counseled him to come clean and cop it to the chin, both for his own sake and for the good of governance. Had Gillard done so, Craig Thompson’s would have been out of the headlines a year ago. Gillard and the ALP instead propped him up with cash and cover for their own grubby political purposes. Gillard is one of the most morally disgusting politicians in the Western world today. Only Obama comes close.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 3:03 pm
Abbott demanding an election referring to a rotten government and rotten prime minster in her face.

How good is this, she gets absolutely no respect. The Slapper.. the Julia Dangerfield of Australian politics.

JC

24 May 12 at 3:07 pm
Measure Thompson’s situation vis-a-vis what he did. He stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from nurses and orderlies (mostly women) to fund an apparent hooker addiction.

And to fund his election campaign.

There’s literally nothing good about this man, the real trickery is Labor and the unions attempting to deceive people into thinking that this sort of rorting and 1950′s mens club behaviour is limited to the HSU. An absolute lie.

twostix

24 May 12 at 3:13 pm
I would hope that this situation with Thompson doesn’t get within a bulls roar of the bloke topping himself. If he’s in that much trouble mental health wise, he should end it all by resigning from parliament.

I hope he doesn’t do anything silly, for his as well as his families sake.

He’s also holding a gun to the heads of people pursuing the issue too by saying he’s on the brink. These are reasonable lines of enquiry and the people involved are doing their jobs.

tbh

24 May 12 at 3:14 pm
Oh dear JC – I think that counts as “slandering” another politician – in f**king Parliament. CL will be extremely upset and disappointed.

I find ACA’s denial of payment for the prostitute interview hard to believe, given the depths of sleaze they went to in the Clive James story only a couple of weeks ago. The statement they issues says no one “has received any payment”. Does that preclude a future payment, if the story is aired?

steve from brisbane

24 May 12 at 3:15 pm
He’s also holding a gun to the heads of people pursuing the issue too by saying he’s on the brink. These are reasonable lines of enquiry and the people involved are doing their jobs.

We should never ever fall hostage to that sort of crap.

JC

24 May 12 at 3:19 pm
Gina must be loving this: Fairfax stock now down to 63.5 cents. How long until it breaks the 60 cent barrier?

areff

24 May 12 at 3:19 pm
tbh – do you have any doubt that the media haven’t been outside his house regularly this last fortnight (and at other times in the past.)

It is the media who should back off, at least until they come up with some hard proof relevant to the matter.

steve from brisbane

24 May 12 at 3:19 pm
…that the media have been outside his house…

steve from brisbane

24 May 12 at 3:22 pm
I suppose you can see what’s going on outside his house with your inner eye, steve?

all the fuckhead has to do is resign

jtfsoon

24 May 12 at 3:23 pm
Yes, Jason, I’m sure it does no psychological harm at all to see media outside your house morning and night.

I could be wrong – maybe they have kept a discrete distance. I just really have my doubts…

steve from brisbane

24 May 12 at 3:27 pm
Thomsonnwon’t top himself. The snivelling little shit would have to have the capacity to feel shame to do that.

He’s a sociopathic turd who should be hounded until he turns to custard.

Infidel Tiger

24 May 12 at 3:35 pm
Thomson claimed it, channel 7 denied it, and absolutely no evidence the event occurred.

Thomson a proven liar, fraudster, whore frequenter, adulterer and scumbag.

SoB – I have my doubts, as Thommy the Shagger is so reliable and I believe him…………..

Harrys on the Boat

24 May 12 at 3:37 pm
How dumb and gullible are you to believe a media outlet generic denial like that? Do you think if a reporter was in someone’s yard, and the boss later got a complaint about it, that they would readily admit it? (Instead of saying “no, boss, that would have been the sleazebags from Channel 9″.)

steve from brisbane

24 May 12 at 3:42 pm
How dumb and gullible are you to believe a media outlet generic denial like that? Do you think if a reporter was in someone’s yard, and the boss later got a complaint about it, that they would readily admit it? (Instead of saying “no, boss, that would have been the sleazebags from Channel 9″.)

How dumb and gullible do you have to be to believe a proven liar, thief, etc, etc.

twostix

24 May 12 at 3:44 pm
Seen on twitter:

“Let me get this straight. It’s okay to pay prostitutes for sex but not for interviews? ” #auspol

lol

twostix

24 May 12 at 3:45 pm
If Thomson wants to stop the media hounding him on his own private property he should introduce Castle Doctrine laws.

I for one would support him.

Infidel Tiger

24 May 12 at 3:45 pm
You’re a complete fuckwit Steve. If it was the media outlet v someone with an ounce of credibility and decency you might have a case.

Harrys on the Boat

24 May 12 at 3:46 pm
Common friggin’ sense suggests that the bit about being harassed by media at home is the most likely claim of all in his address.

steve from brisbane

24 May 12 at 3:47 pm
But no, I am sure that all conduct by journalists from ACA, Tonight, and other assorted odds and bods is always conducted in the most ethical and least intrusive way possible. Just ask Clive James: he’ll speak up for them.

steve from brisbane

24 May 12 at 3:50 pm
Yea Steve, it’s what your side came out with the Finkelstien Report..

Look ironing lady, ACA has actually done what scrappy journalism is supposed to do and that’s question a politician’s claims by finding potential evidence of lies and dishonesty. Under Finkelstien that of course wouldn’t be possible.. at least for left wing politicians.

The FWA findings suggest this crook stole a load of money from low paid workers. There is no remorse for what he deserves.

JC

24 May 12 at 4:13 pm
oops it’s why…

JC

24 May 12 at 4:13 pm
and to top it off, he had the temerity to suggest that it was Abbott who doesn’t have the moral standing to be the opposition leader or in parliament. This is coming from Thompson. This grub had the audacity to suggest that about Abbott while at the same time claiming his phone was possibly cloned.

JC

24 May 12 at 4:16 pm
Naaa.. We would then be held hostage against upholding the rule of law whenever a Liars Party apparatchik breaks the law or commits some really dirty crap because s/he may do a Hammygar with a can of Kero? If they try that shit on they would be in serious trouble as the punter isn’t buying it

Senator Nick Sherry says “Hi”!

Costello copped it with both barrells from the media for allegedly hounding a man to an attempted suicide and Sherry managed to walk away from the rorting allegations.

If Thomson does undertake or even threaten self-harm the ALPBC/Fairfax will rain ten tonnes of shit on Abbott.

Matt

24 May 12 at 4:19 pm
If Thomson does undertake or even threaten self-harm the ALPBC/Fairfax will rain ten tonnes of shit on Abbott.

Honestly, who cares what those goons at Fauxfax would be saying. I could very well imagine Phil Coorey writing a piece how this would be good for the Slapper’s poll ratings.

Seriously, it doesn’t matter what they thing as the punter isn’t listening. All they want is for this nightmare of a government to end quickly. And the Libs shouldn’t take their eye off that ball.

JC

24 May 12 at 4:22 pm
Yes, Jason, I’m sure it does no psychological harm at all to see media outside your house morning and night.

We all remember Steve’s concern for Sarah Palin.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 4:34 pm
Over at Blair’s…

Wow. I didn’t know Chris Murphy was off his rocker.

Lefties seem to be succumbing to emotional unwellness all over the shop.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 4:35 pm
Even Teh Left don’t like the UN:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9285773/UN-no-longer-fit-for-purpose-after-Syria-says-Amnesty.html

John Mc

24 May 12 at 4:43 pm
I’ve felt this way before, but I can’t help feeling this thing is coming close to a head. The bizarre and random press conference, a hooker finally coming forward – it just feels like it is building. It has that feel of the dying days of 2009 when Abbott snatched the leadership and put the ETS to the sword. Could we be spared at the last minute by these events?

Imagine being a former hooker who had the information to bring down a government. Heavy weight to carry around. Especially if she has moved on, got a family, that sort of thing.

If it were me in a situation like that, I’d be asking for a lot more than $60k to go on National TV in what would be one of the most watched interviews since those miners got back to the top at Beaconsfield.

As for the sympathy vote : Craig, resign from parliament, co-operate with the police, ask for your day in court to prove your innocence. You’ll get your sympathy then.

brc

24 May 12 at 4:46 pm
Even Teh Left don’t like the UN:

The UN is indeed a useless appendage but I’m not convinced we should be getting on the ‘democracy for Syria’ bandwagon either.

jtfsoon

24 May 12 at 5:13 pm
Gillard is one of the most morally disgusting politicians in the Western world today.

She wouldn’t be ashamed to own that tag either. Today in parliament Gillard said that the opposition would be equally happy to receive Craig Thompson’s vote so end the hypocrisy. In effect she is saying “I may be a grub but so are you.” Such is the elevated tone coming from the Prime Minister of Australia.

Viva

24 May 12 at 5:21 pm
Oh, Elaine, how could you???

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/los-angeles-plastic-bag-ban-approved.html

Los Angeles became the largest city in the nation Wednesday to approve a ban on plastic bags at supermarket checkout lines, handing a major victory to clean-water advocates who sought to reduce the amount of trash clogging landfills, the region’s waterways and the ocean.

Egged on by actress Julia Louis-Dreyfus and an array of environmental groups, the City Council voted 13 to 1 to phase out plastic bags over the next 12 months at an estimated 7,500 stores. Councilman Bernard Parks cast the lone no vote.

jtfsoon

24 May 12 at 5:24 pm
California is so screwed.

Infidel Tiger

24 May 12 at 5:27 pm
At least you can still get the old style paper bags at most supermarkets in california.

brc

24 May 12 at 5:28 pm
Ahahaha… Chris Murphy says Blair “stole his tweets”.

Fleeced

24 May 12 at 5:33 pm
The Worst Union in America, guess where… California

“The CTA doesn’t need its members’ consent to spend this money on politicking, whether that’s making campaign contributions or running advocacy campaigns to obstruct reform.”
“The CTA’s most important resource, however, isn’t a pool of workers ready to strike; it’s a fat bank account fed by mandatory dues that can run more than $1,000 per member. In 2009, the union’s income was more than $186 million, all of it tax-exempt. The CTA doesn’t need its members’ consent to spend this money on politicking, whether that’s making campaign contributions or running advocacy campaigns to obstruct reform. According to figures from the California Fair Political Practices Commission (a public institution) in 2010, the CTA had spent more than $210 million over the previous decade on political campaigning—more than any other donor in the state. In fact, the CTA outspent the pharmaceutical industry, the oil industry, and the tobacco industry combined.”

Rudiau

24 May 12 at 5:37 pm
Way to go Steve, keeping it classy. Defending the grub.

Tiny Dancer

24 May 12 at 5:54 pm
Hi, Tiny Malevolent Dancer. Been over to leave some droppings at my place lately?

Thomson is under enough pressure as it is within Parliament.

My entirely reasonable suggestion is that the media back off and leave him alone unless and until they have solid evidence relating to the specific HSU allegations. That would, in my books, take more than an anonymous prostitute claiming she’s slept with him, especially if she has no proof as to how it was paid for.

steve from brisbane

24 May 12 at 6:22 pm
My entirely reasonable suggestion is that the media back off and leave him alone

Bollocks to that. Thomson has options. He is choosing – with some not-so-subtle pressure from the ALP – to brazen it out. He deserves no sympathy. As brc said above:

Craig, resign from parliament, co-operate with the police, ask for your day in court to prove your innocence

If this happens, I will support your call for the media and the Opposition to back off. Until then, he’s fair game.

Matt

24 May 12 at 6:29 pm
Steve is suggesting in a murder trial not to examine the defendent and that the prosecution can wait for more “solid evidence”.

What a dishonest, bloviating turd you are. You never intend for Thomson to answer anything, do you?

.

24 May 12 at 6:31 pm
solid evidence relating to the specific HSU allegations

Whatbdomyou call the documents referred to in the FWA report you dimwitted scum bucket. You usually love a bit of slime or you just make it up. Go and do the ironing and take your testosterone dickhead.

Tiny Dancer

24 May 12 at 6:32 pm
until they have solid evidence relating to the specific HSU allegations

What?

Like the SMH have and published after discovery nearly a year ago?

Evidence that calls to hooker establisments and services from those establisments came from Shagger’s mobile or hotel room?

Evidence that the hooker establishments viewed and took down the number of his driver’s licence and accepted that the driver’s licence photo was a likeness of the client?

Or do you think more evidence is needed liar-steve?

JamesK

24 May 12 at 6:36 pm
What a crappy analogy dot: you’re comparing sensation seeking commercial journalism (we are talking ACA here) with a process of actual criminal proceedings. (And there is still a criminal investigation underway.)

If there is a compelling criminal case coming, it will come in due course.

If there is a good civil case against him, it will come in due course.

ACA journalists are not usually renowned for coming up with the evidence useful in such cases. There are renowned for being sensation seeking ambush journalists with snake low ethics. (Ask Clive James.)

steve from brisbane

24 May 12 at 6:37 pm
So wot liar-steve is sayin’ is Craig may not have called those whorehouse s and he may not have paid for those hookers with his union creditr card.

By the way liar: is Shagger’s payment of prostitutes with a union credit card a criminal offence?

JamesK

24 May 12 at 6:42 pm
The ACA might be in general sensationalist and practice shitty journalism, but in that case, they had a scoop.

They did not pay for it.

Basically the upshot is the hookers reckon he lied in his speech to Parliament, and this is from two independent, corroborating sources.

I do not judge what he has done as a married man. That is between him and his wife.

I do judge him for stealing union fees to live a life of excess and then be the duct tape that holds together this train wreck of a Government, the most incompetent in our history back to Hotham or Bligh, in the name of the working people. His allies are twats that “fight tories” and millionaires who sing Solidarity Together.

This whole Government is a dystopian freak show.

.

24 May 12 at 6:45 pm
Steve, c.thomson could have his family move in with inlaws/parents for a while. He’s a lot older than her, about 48 i think, so he can cope but she is young with baby and toddler.

the media will always go after stories, that’s life in a free country and he should shoulder responsibility for his family.

candy

24 May 12 at 6:55 pm
Great stuff Stevie..every time you type you lie.

Tiny Dancer

24 May 12 at 6:56 pm
If ACA are correct Thomson has deliberately lied to FWA investigators. This may or may not be a crime but it certainly conduct unbecoming for a parliamentarian (well, getting caught is anyway). He must resign.

Matt

24 May 12 at 7:13 pm
When you are in the gutter with Thommo and this Labor government A Current Affair is actually quality journalism.

Personally, it sounds like a job for Martin Di Stasio.

H B Bear

24 May 12 at 7:33 pm
Amusing Obama photo. pwned.

boy on a bike

24 May 12 at 7:39 pm
Martin Di Stasio couldn’t have written the script of the quality that’s playing out in Canberra in real life even if he had been granted a roomful of sex slaves and a truckload of narcotic pleasantry as an advance downpayment.

Tom

24 May 12 at 7:44 pm
Tom:

…granted a roomful of sex slaves and a truckload of narcotic pleasantry as an advance downpayment.

Gawd Tom! Don’t give the Juliar and her useless f*ckers any MORE ideas!

Mk50 of Brisbane

24 May 12 at 7:47 pm
brc

Many Asian cultures see whiter skin as a sign of being classy.

WTF? So you think being racist is merely being ‘classy’?

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 8:00 pm
Steve’s Abbott rumour was good to go for Catallaxy.

But he says there’s no evidence against Thommo.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 8:03 pm
The way that the wobble-head Brahmin Hindoos have conned the world that they are humanity’s eternal victim of racist colonialism is one the greatest scandals in living memory.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 8:05 pm
whos on twitter I can follow?

Irving J

24 May 12 at 8:05 pm
Patsy,

Jason said all of that before. But right you are.

.

24 May 12 at 8:06 pm
CL: Here another horrible black-on-white crime that can’t have happened because Les the racist kiddie says only whiteys can be waaaaaycist.

Oklahoma
An 85-year-old woman was sexually assaulted and battered to death by a home invader who also shot her 90-year-old husband in the face ….
Nancy and Bob Strait, who had celebrated their 65th wedding anniversary in December, were discovered by their daughter at their home in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Both the pensioners were rushed to hospital where Mrs Strait, who was nearly blind, died from her injuries.

Mr Strait, who served in the 101st Airborne Division in World War II, suffered a broken jaw, broken ribs and severe bleeding. He is in a serious condition in hospital.
Police have arrested 20-year-old Tyrone Dale David Woodfork in connection with the case.

The Straits’ distraught family today paid tribute to the pair, who grew up in poverty in rural Oklahoma during the Great Depression.
They met each other on a blind date on Thanksgiving 1946, married a month later and went on to have six children, 18 grandchildren and about 50 great and great-great grandchildren. They had recently welcomed a great-great-great grandchild.
Tulsa police believe burglars broke into the Straits’ home either late Tuesday or early Wednesday last week. They were not found until the Wednesday evening.

The home invaders made off with their Dodge Neon, a television and $200.
Woodfork was later found hiding in a nearby house after a witness spotted the stolen vehicle being driven down the road.
He is being held at Tulsa Jail without bail accused of first-degree murder, burglary, assault with a dangerous weapon and two counts of armed robbery.

Source

A picture of the less-than-animal who did this is at the link.

Fortunately, Oklahoma has the death sentence for crimes like this.

Mk50 of Brisbane

24 May 12 at 8:06 pm
I wouldn’t execute him. I would never give it for those under 21.

But he would be facing 100+ years in prison.

.

24 May 12 at 8:09 pm
JC

If you’re going to be a metro daily for the size of melbourne, you have to be centrist in the politics.. certainly not Greenslime which turns 70% of the population off.

There is a lot in that. When I lived in London, you could spend your every waking moment reading partisan newspapers from right across the political spectrum. London’s population made that possible. Still, no city in the US had that.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 8:10 pm
My suspicion is that a lot of what the luvvies now call ‘media diversity’ only really catches on in those societies where socialism/marxism/communism ever had a run. It did in the UK, but not in the US.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 8:11 pm
I would never give it for those under 21.

Particularly if they could easily have been Bazzer’s son

JamesK

24 May 12 at 8:13 pm
dot

Damn, I hate these long threads! But will now go back and revisit the wisdom of Mister Soon.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 8:14 pm
No James, I believe in the death penalty for aggravated murder, treason, terrorism and piracy.

I believe in a strict series of protocols to enact it as well, on top of current criminal law, which include the requirement for a unanimous jury verdict of guilt as well as unanimity of the jury approving of it’s use, agreement of the judge and unanimous confirmation by the Court of Criminal Appeal. Stuff like standards of evidence have to increase to Roman/admiralty law as well (must have direct evidence from two independent corroborating sources) – but also having NO contrition and the person being over 21 at the time.

.

24 May 12 at 8:20 pm
dot

Yes, Soon Son is very wise. And he is spot on about East Asians and skin tone. I am not an Asian, but my first o/s trip was ‘backpacking through Asia’ for 6 months after uni, and I paid a LOT of attention to racial stuff. I picked up a lot, like the fact that Australians ‘stink’ – too much lamb and dairy – but never, ever picked up any frisson about skin tone or color, UNTIL, I got to India!

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 8:20 pm
So just catching up and I see SFB is defending Thomson.

Shock! Utter surprise!

Gab

24 May 12 at 8:26 pm
I actually agree with you on the death penalty dot.

Well said.

JamesK

24 May 12 at 8:28 pm
CL: Here another horrible black-on-white crime that can’t have happened because Les the racist kiddie says only whiteys can be waaaaaycist.

No, you are way off the mark there. That’s silly. I never said any such thing.

But since the decision has been made to revisit this topic, I should point out that the person who has complained most loudly and shrilly about “waaaaaycism” is of course Rabz, who tells us that there is so much “waaaaaycism” in the US that he has sworn never to go back.

Of course, 49, you bitch and moan about “waaaaaycism” quite a bit too. You use some variation of the word “racist” in probably most of your comments.

But you also bitch and moan about other strange things.

You have complained about how difficult it is to have a frank and detailed public discussion of the mechanics of homosexual intercourse.

You have complained about “bed-wetters” who would protest your free and liberal use of the word “n*gger”.

And of course you have railed at length about the “Paleosimians”, which is your abusive word for “Palestinians”.

So really you are quite a complainer. And not just about “waaaaaycism”, which you claim to see everywhere.

You are such an odd bird, 49.

Les Majesty

24 May 12 at 8:30 pm
What do people make of this strange new line out of Labor/ABC/Fairfax that Thomson is one Tony Abbott comment away from topping himself?

Are Labor setting the stage for Thomson to do something terrible to himself over the weekend as a political stunt, to push all the blame onto Abbott and make Thomson a martyr? Would they seriously push it that far?

MDMConnell

24 May 12 at 8:31 pm
I would never give it for those under 21

Old enough to go to war, old enough to be executed

Irving J

24 May 12 at 8:32 pm
Hey Steve, you’ve conveniently ignored CL’s point about your lack of concern when Palin was being hounded by the media, had the guy move in next door to look in on her for a year etc etc.

You are so good at links and google – I’m sure you’ll find your posts denouncing the media and that scumbag stalker …

Got all night mate – take your time …

Just so you know, my contempt for you has bottomed out, because to feel any less about you would waste precious time.

pete m

24 May 12 at 8:34 pm
oh, death penalty, atheists go that, ‘cos they don’t see the hereafter.

but on a practical plane, eventually there’s someone who will die for not doing a crime. and some probably have already in days gone by.

candy

24 May 12 at 8:34 pm
that Thomson is one Tony Abbott comment away from topping himself?

Oh so unless AbbottAbbottAbbott stops questioning Parliament about Thomson will top himself?! You mean Thomson has not other recourse whatsoever, no other choice, than to commit suicide if Abbott keeps the pressure on?

That’s nothing short of emotional blackmail. Obviously a completely Labor-devised strategy.

They are utter scum.

Gab

24 May 12 at 8:35 pm
That would, in my books, take more than an anonymous prostitute claiming she’s slept with him, especially if she has no proof as to how it was paid for.

Of course, sfb would even go beyond Les’s suggestion that the used condom, etc. be produced; he would demand to see that it fits like OJ and the leather glove.

dover_beach

24 May 12 at 8:35 pm
MDMConnell – touting for sympathy. Next thing they’ll claim he got death threats.

Sinclair Davidson

24 May 12 at 8:35 pm
We don’t have conscription Irving so I don’t see your point.

.

24 May 12 at 8:35 pm
lezzo,

you fucking creepy obsessive mentally deranged drug addled dullard – great to see that not only are you a liar, your ‘word’ is absolutely fucking worthless.

Now there’s a surprise.

No agrees with you, you fucking stupid pillock.

Only in lobotomised leftard bizarro world could someone denouncing the vile stupid racism of blacks be accused of being a racist.

You’re a fucking moron and this has to stop.

If it doesn’t I’ll see to it that you are banned again.

Got it, you thick of piece of shit?

Now fuck off, once and for all.

Rabz

24 May 12 at 8:37 pm
Well, yeah, it was kind of a rhetorical question.

But I do wonder whether someone has cooked up a plan for Thomson to make some fake-but-true self harm attempt. All the rhetoric from Labor and their friends this week has been about big bad nasty AbbottAbbottAbbott pushing Thomson “to the brink”.

I can’t believe even this Labor mob would want to tarnish Abbott with the stigma of driving a man to try to kill himself. But the hard hearted cynic in me notes that it’s been a VERY well-scripted line from Labor mouths over the past day or two…

MDMConnell

24 May 12 at 8:44 pm
Les thinks the Pound Cake Speech is propaganda of the Aryan Nations.

.

24 May 12 at 8:44 pm
MDM – I have zero tolerance for this ‘we should go easy on grubs because they can/might/have self-harmed’. If they are seriously worried, they’d advise him to resign and seek professional help. So they’re obviously not too concerned.

Sinclair Davidson

24 May 12 at 8:48 pm
No James, I believe in the death penalty for aggravated murder, treason, terrorism and piracy.

Why piracy? I never got the the death penalty for piracy as I see it as stealing. Stealing that just happens to be on the high seas instead of land.

JC

24 May 12 at 8:50 pm
Rabz

Don’t blame me, you whiny little bitch.

I had left this alone but Retardo Liberal, Iq49 and the rest of them insisted on putting the boot in on me.

Why am I not entitled to respond?

I am quite willing to drop this.

But you should complain to 49 and Retardo and the rest who keep pouring petrol on the fire by lying about what I said and thus forcing me to respond.

Now you fuck off.

Les Majesty

24 May 12 at 8:51 pm
Now fuck off, once and for all.

Now you fuck off.

…like watching Scarface.

Gab

24 May 12 at 8:53 pm
I can’t believe even this Labor mob would want to tarnish Abbott with the stigma of driving a man to try to kill himself. But the hard hearted cynic in me notes that it’s been a VERY well-scripted line from Labor mouths over the past day or two…

Good point, MDM. The Slapper’s office started a race riot against Abbott, so I can’t imagine staging a fake suicide would be any more of a big deal. However like the race riot attempt this is a gang that can’t shoot straight and they would invariably screw that one up too.

JC

24 May 12 at 8:54 pm
We don’t have conscription Irving so I don’t see your point.

they did have, the point is old enough to die for your country, old enough to be executed for your country

Irving J

24 May 12 at 8:54 pm
Only in lobotomised leftard bizarro world could someone denouncing the vile stupid racism of blacks be accused of being a racist.

By the way, Rabz, I did not accuse you of racism in the post today that you complained about.

Rather, 49 accused me of complaining about racism. I pointed out that I am not the person here who complains about it the most.

You responded with a complaint about “waaaaaaycism” – and specifically the “vile stupid racism of blacks”.

So you are still complaining about “waaaaaycism”.

Which proves my point.

Les Majesty

24 May 12 at 8:55 pm
Note the completion date of the NBN here:

http://theland.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/agribusiness-and-general/political/nbn-cost-blowout-claim-rejected/2374584.aspx

Alarm bells were raised in some quarters after a heavily redacted version of the report was made public on Monday. It showed $50.6 billion in capital expenditure is planned for the NBN by 2028.

The NBN therefore would have taken 19 years to build.

.

24 May 12 at 8:57 pm
Can’t we just get along and be nice to each other?

It’s so unnecessary.

JC

24 May 12 at 8:57 pm
Fuck off JC.

Les Majesty

24 May 12 at 8:58 pm
The war room is a pig stye after the last fight,I refuse to clean it

Tal

24 May 12 at 9:01 pm
I’m just hoping FWA make a judgement that forces the Shagger to repay the money. This will either force him into bankruptcy or force Labor into further financial hemorrhaging and embarassment.

A win win in my books.

Splatacrobat

24 May 12 at 9:02 pm
Interesting Dot. So they’re now keeping the information from public scrutiny in order to hide the truth.

What a filthy disgusting bunch of lowlifes this government is.

The opposition ought to put serious pressure where the pressure point would be felt the most and that’s to really get stuck into the CEO so hard he’s punch drunk.

They need to make it clear to him and other senior executives that if they find they have lied in any way they will pay dearly for that and compensation will be backdated.

They basically wrecked the Climate Change Department or are in the process of doing by informing them ahead of time that they will no longer have a job under the Libs.

JC

24 May 12 at 9:02 pm
Now, you can ALL fuck off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Ac6cOJb2FvI

.

24 May 12 at 9:02 pm
fucking creepy obsessive mentally deranged drug addled dullard

That’s not fair. I don’t think Les uses drugs.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 9:03 pm
Sorry Les, but I’ve decided to be nice to everyone from now on, so sticks and stones will …. you know the rest.

JC

24 May 12 at 9:03 pm
Fuck off JC.

dummy spit!! now kiss and hug, remember the friendship boys!

Irving J

24 May 12 at 9:05 pm
No James, I believe in the death penalty for aggravated murder, treason, terrorism and piracy.

Good lord. It was piracy wot started the English empire. In other words, that’s how we bitchslapped popery!

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 9:05 pm
popery!

No. It’s potpourri. Spell it right.

Gab

24 May 12 at 9:07 pm
Rabz , Lester

if you need soothing music to clam your nerves I suggest some Luigi Boccherini. La Musica Notturna di Madrid.

For those heathens who don’t understand romance languages it means the Night music of Madrid.

Stocks are going higher this evening so I feel especially gentlemanly.

JC

24 May 12 at 9:08 pm
Last night Liberal MP Mal Washer said he was worried Mr Thomson might be in danger of hurting himself and that the pressure on the MP — applied by both sides of parliament – had gone too far.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/labor-moves-to-gag-abbott-in-thomson-debate-20120523-1z481.html#ixzz1vmghhfog

Clearly, this is all a Labor plot…

steve from brisbane

24 May 12 at 9:09 pm
not sure that c.thomson is a suicide risk – he’s nattily dressed, very well groomed and clearly spoken.

not dishevelled or rambling.

he would hide if he here truly considering suicide, would’t he? to make those plans. very difficult with wife and babies around.

candy

24 May 12 at 9:10 pm
Are Labor setting the stage for Thomson to do something terrible to himself over the weekend as a political stunt, to push all the blame onto Abbott and make Thomson a martyr? Would they seriously push it that far?

Of course they would. Gillard and the ALP have deliberately forced him to stay on board rather than fess up. Now that it’s all gone pear-shaped, they would actually welcome a suicide attempt. We’re talking about a political whore whose office organised a race riot and then banished to England the one man who might answer some questions about the affair.

MDM – I have zero tolerance for this ‘we should go easy on grubs because they can/might/have self-harmed’. If they are seriously worried, they’d advise him to resign and seek professional help. So they’re obviously not too concerned.

Exactly what I’ve been saying. If Gillard wasn’t a soulless monster, she would have taken a hit and facilitated Thompson’s resignation. The fact that she’s a shacked up, childless marriage-wrecker, however, means she couldn;t care less about the welfare of the Thompson family. Plus, she has already said he won’t be endorsed again and has booted him from the party room.

And that reminds me, if Thommo did swallow a bottle of Vitamin C Gillard would look pretty insincere and stupid lamenting the tragedy, given that she threw him out of caucus and decreed the enforced end of his political career.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 9:12 pm
popery

is that a bipadism?

Irving J

24 May 12 at 9:12 pm
Mr Thomson might be in danger of hurting himself

I recommend self-immolation, very aesthetic and makes a strong statement as well as aroma

Irving J

24 May 12 at 9:14 pm
“No. It’s potpourri. Spell it right.”

OK. Maybe sometimes you’re funny.

Jarrah

24 May 12 at 9:16 pm
Patton sounds like he is out of a novel about the Glorious Revolution. Quaint.

.

24 May 12 at 9:17 pm
Last night Liberal MP Mal Washer said he was worried Mr Thomson might be in danger of hurting himself and that the pressure on the MP — applied by both sides of parliament – had gone too far.

No he didn’t you lying scumbag. He was basically asked the question in terms what pressure can do to people and of course being a medical doctor he gave a professional answer along with parameters while also saying the opposition was entitled to the facts and that brothel boy shouldn’t lie. and extend his agony even more.

This interview was a set up Old Leatherface’s leftwing loon wife, Heather Ewart and came up because at some stage earlier in the week, Washer had gone over to the brothel creeper in parliament and asked him how he was going at a personal level.

Leather Face’s leftwing loon wife was just attempting to carry the narrative along a bit to help Labor. That’s all.

It was nothing more than a set up and your lying doesn’t change anything, you douchebag Stepford.

JC

24 May 12 at 9:18 pm
“they would actually welcome a suicide attempt. We’re talking about a political whore whose office organised a race riot…If Gillard wasn’t a soulless monster…she’s a shacked up, childless marriage-wrecker”

Dude. You’ve got issues.

Jarrah

24 May 12 at 9:19 pm
This is your brain on sugar: UCLA study shows high-fructose diet sabotages learning, memory
—————

At least 20% of the population has too many sugar spikes and too little DHA.

A rock and a hard place. Despite what some may say a diet relying principally on fat as an energy source creates its own problems(that’s right, fuck Taube and Atkins, didn’t do their homework.).

The big mystery here is why glycogen is anywhere near neurons. Neurons hate glucose and glycogen, their primary fuel sources are pyruvate, lactate, and ketones. So there is something very strange going on here but also these studies are very worrying because other research I read during the week indicates that glycogen accumulation occurs in dementias before other pathological signs. Now I have to figure out where the bloody glycogen is coming from.

Get rid of the sugar spikes, when you consume sweet foods do so in conjunction with other foods to slow the rate of glucose absorption.

John H.

24 May 12 at 9:20 pm
dot

Don’t moan bitch. Without the Glorious Revolution, you’d still be living in a bog moaning about potatoes and the End Times.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 9:21 pm
Maybe Jarrah, even probably, but I think the point of that rant is actually correct.

.

24 May 12 at 9:21 pm
Still, I think the Act of Settlement should be incorporated into our Constitution.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 9:21 pm
I believe in the death penalty for aggravated murder, treason, terrorism and piracy

I would prefer corporal punishment to the death penalty. Use it for everything from parking violations to theft.

But for treason?

Personally I prefer

Anton

24 May 12 at 9:22 pm
“sactly… We’re talking about an appointed Prime minister who started a race riot against the opposition leader.

JC

24 May 12 at 9:22 pm
Dude. You’ve got issues.

Jazzebelle… What’s a race riot between friends. It was over in a flash.

JC

24 May 12 at 9:23 pm
In other words, that’s how we bitchslapped popery!

Ah, yes. Those were the days. Back when traitors like Campion were dealt with justly.

Les Majesty

24 May 12 at 9:23 pm
Actually Patton I think the fuck up of British history was Cromwell winning.

If the autonomy of the Irish Confederates could have been established and applied in all three/four principalities/Kingdoms, the whole place would have been better off…even now.

.

24 May 12 at 9:25 pm
Here’s what you should get for treason:

You must go to the place from whence you came, there to remain until ye shall be drawn through the open city of London upon hurdles to the place of execution, and there be hanged and let down alive, and your privy parts cut off, and your entrails taken out and burnt in your sight; then your heads to be cut off and your bodies divided into four parts, to be disposed of at Her Majesty’s pleasure. And God have mercy on your souls.

Les Majesty

24 May 12 at 9:25 pm
Still, I think the Act of Settlement should be incorporated into our Constitution.

Loopy stuff.

.

24 May 12 at 9:25 pm
No I haven’t, Jarrah.

Julia Gillard does.

But nice try at the 2002 leftist reversal.

It’s always nice to see one in the wild again.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 9:26 pm
Les

A needle is fine. Even the electric chair can be a little messy. Don’t overdo it with the blood and guts in the modern age, me thinks, as the metrosexuals won’t stand for it.

JC

24 May 12 at 9:27 pm
anyway to wrap things up, guys.

kevni may have handled this stuff better. being a family man with principles. and then we could vote him out when the time comes!

this disrupting of democracy by deposing a voted in PM is no great shakes is it. it just does not work. it’s up to us, people power.

candy

24 May 12 at 9:28 pm
And I absolutely agree with keeping capital punishment for treason. The final arbiter should be called the “Elizabeth I Judge”.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 9:29 pm
Candy

It’s always Rudd with you, isn’t it. He’s never far from the surface.

JC

24 May 12 at 9:29 pm
dot

No it wouldn’t. Popery is THE road to serfdom.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 9:31 pm
What would Johnny Rotten sing to Craig?
Liar

John Comnenus

24 May 12 at 9:31 pm
Breaking: Gillard plays the suicide card…

Abbott urged to remember MP who died.

Government whip Joel Fitzgibbon has urged Opposition Leader Tony Abbott to remember the sentiments he expressed after a Labor MP took his own life 12 years ago.

Mr Abbott and the opposition have been relentless pursuing embattled former Labor MP Craig Thomson over allegations he misused money during his time at the Health Services Union.

On Thursday, Mr Thomson contemplated whether the sustained scrutiny from the opposition and media were about pushing “someone to the brink”.

In parliament Mr Abbott said “on a human level he had sympathy” for the Member for Dobell.

Mr Fitzgibbon has urged Mr Abbott to tone down his attacks on Mr Thomson and re-read the condolence speech he delivered following the suicide of Labor MP Greg Wilton in June 2000.

Mr Wilton is the only federal MP to have committed suicide.

“Tony Abbott himself recognised (in that speech) the toxic nature of the place has to change,” Mr Fitzgibbon told ABC TV.

“Yet now here he is making it more toxic than ever before.”

Mr Fitzgibbon said hypothetically if Mr Thomson were guilty of all the allegations against him, “the punishment he has received both in the parliament and the media is greater than that he deserves.”

He criticised a television network for reportedly opening up its cheque book to secure an interview with a prostitute allegedly linked to the scandal.

Mr Fitzgibbon said sections of the Australian media were “becoming more like Fleet Street every day”.

Fitzgibbon is saying that if you steal money from low-paid hospital workers, a hard time in the media is punishment enough. I wonder if this extends to bosses who misappropriate money. No, I’m guessing.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 9:31 pm
Les has also caught the Foundling Fever.

.

24 May 12 at 9:31 pm
You must go to the place from whence you came,

I don’t quite get that. Does that mean going back to jail and starting the trip from there?

there to remain until ye shall be drawn through the open city of London upon hurdles to the place of execution

Drawn and quartered through London or taken along in a cart?

JC

24 May 12 at 9:33 pm
poeple power, JC. that’s what it’s about – KRrudd PM deposed overnight, and then the carbon tax, now c.thomson trashing parliament, and we no border security.

the electorate have no power in this – it’s all been taken away.

candy

24 May 12 at 9:33 pm
No it wouldn’t. Popery is THE road to serfdom.

Soctland Presbyterian, England and Wales Anglican and Ireland Catholic…but autonomous and with toleration and with an Anglican King.

They absolutely would have been better off. Charles II could have been made king with a regency council.

.

24 May 12 at 9:35 pm
Candy

Rudd started the border fuck up in the first place. The slapper has made it worse he’s no Mona Lisa when it comes to screw ps.

JC

24 May 12 at 9:36 pm
“No I haven’t, Jarrah. Julia Gillard does.”

Yeah, I’m sure she describes people she disagrees with politically as marriage-wrecking soulless monsters and political whores who would welcome a suicide attempt.

Get help.

Jarrah

24 May 12 at 9:36 pm
By the way, exactly as I suspected, everyone now knows the ACA statement denying payment was clearly weasel words designed to mislead the easily misled – like CL and dot.

As for her being paid $60,000 – let’s see what ACA said on radio:

Speaking on the Neil Mitchell Program, Executive Producer of ACA Grant Williams has defended the tactics behind the controversial interview.

“I should just clarify at the outset, I didnt tell Craig Thomson (the figure of $60,000), I told him yes we have dicussed money and yes I have agreed to pay this woman, but we did not mention the figure of $60,000″ Williams said.

When questioned by Neil Mitchell if that figure was accurate Williams replied that it is ‘there abouts’.

“No money has, at this stage, changed hands, and nor have we broadcast any material in relation to the story” Williams clarified.

I’m not even sure that the $60,000 figure first came from Thomson – lots of places talk about “reports this morning claim that..” but I am not sure where it was first reported.

As it turns out, it’s close to the mark.

Shonky behaviour by ACA, as I predicted.

steve from brisbane

24 May 12 at 9:37 pm
Yeah, I’m sure she describes people she disagrees with politically as marriage-wrecking soulless monsters and political whores who would welcome a suicide attempt.

She started a race riot. What do you think it says about what she thinks of Abbott, you moron?

JC

24 May 12 at 9:38 pm
Cromwell was a hero, Churchill rocks, and Campion got what was coming to him.

Debate …

(scampers away)

jtfsoon

24 May 12 at 9:39 pm
Not even the normally sycophantantic Washington Post editors are buying Obummer’s latest bilge:

The Post’s View
President Obama wants it both ways on private equity

What we’re left with is a president who seems content to present an even-handed view of private equity at his news conferences while propounding a much more tendentious one in his campaign advertising. Pointing out that a business career hasn’t fully prepared Mr. Romney to be president, in other words, is a long way from suggesting that he’s a vampire.

JamesK

24 May 12 at 9:39 pm
Why would a rising mercantile power ever concede to a foreign imperial serfdom run by transvestites, supported by pedophiles, none of whom had ever produced a penny of wealth in their entire lives, let alone had sex! What normal person could not possibly side with Henry VIII!?

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 9:39 pm
dot

Even the Spanish have told the papists to fuck off. Live in the now, dude. Repent from your childhood indoctrination.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 9:41 pm
Jeremy, if that’s the best interference you can run, it says a lot about the problems CL is exhibiting.

Jarrah

24 May 12 at 9:42 pm
BTW there actuall is a Campion college in of all places, Toongabbie

http://www.campion.edu.au/about/overview

jtfsoon

24 May 12 at 9:42 pm
Yeah, I’m sure she describes people she disagrees with politically as marriage-wrecking soulless monsters and political whores who would welcome a suicide attempt.

I didn’t comment on what manner of things she says but on the type of things she does.

She would organise a race riot using Abos (which her office did) and she would wreck a marriage which she did). She would also encourage a putatively suicidal MP to keep lying on her behalf.

But thanks again for the lefty switcheroo – so evocative of Fatfingers the anti-Bushitler campaigner from 2003. (Who turned out to be as quiet as a mouse about Obama’s illegal wars for oil).

C.L.

24 May 12 at 9:43 pm
Does that mean going back to jail and starting the trip from there?

I think so. Then you get taken in a cart (hurdle) to the place where they hang you, draw out your entrails, and then quarter you.

Les Majesty

24 May 12 at 9:43 pm
What about keelhaul? Wasn’t there some great thread of doom about that?

Gab

24 May 12 at 9:43 pm
What normal person could not possibly side with Henry VIII!?

Martin Luther and Wolsley both thought he was batty.

Why would a rising mercantile power ever concede to a foreign imperial serfdom

England had never done the bidding of a Pope, save for when they were invaded by William I or put Adrian on the Papal throne.

Ever heard of Henry II?

.

24 May 12 at 9:43 pm
Steve, you silly bugger, everyone knows c.thomson has utilised hundreds of thousands of dollars of union membership for goods nothing to do with HSU needs.

No Austalians approve of it and he’s despised and the Labor party are too to for protecting him.

just get over it,you silly man, C.thomson is a dead loss to your Party. okay?

candy

24 May 12 at 9:44 pm
The worst piracy that ever threatened civilisation was 1571 when 181 ships carrying 30,000 Muslim soldiers made their play for Europe itself.

Cowardly England bailed (perhaps figuring that lucky weather wouldn’t save them again, not on this scale), as did all of the protestants.

Pope Pius’ Holy League saved the day.

We are all grateful sons and daughters of Pope Pius.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 9:44 pm
I think they take you back to jail for a few days to think about your Popishness and how that will imminently lead to your nutsack being cut off and chucked in the fire.

Les Majesty

24 May 12 at 9:45 pm
By the way, exactly as I suspected, everyone now knows the ACA statement denying payment was clearly weasel words designed to mislead the easily misled – like CL and dot.

Dishonest dried turd. They basically cleared all that on the program this evening in a segment especially set aside with the producer to clear the air on some of the issues such as this one that had grown over the day.

They specifically stated that at this stage no money had changed hands and that decision would be determined in the future after crossing a few hurdles.

Obviously what they are doing is matching her claims she boffed him with evidence that is absolutely ironclad in which case everyone will be happy except Brothel boy.

The evidence they unearthed is potentially very incriminating as it isn’t one of the charges in the FWA but an additional one matched against a $770 charge on his credit card bill the FWA hadn’t unearthed as a hooker payment. In other words this is a new claim adding to the others.

And the producer said the Vic police wanted the evidence they had found, which shows this is petty decent investigative reporting for ACA for a change (instead of chasing shonky tradies down the street)

JC

24 May 12 at 9:47 pm
Even the Spanish have told the papists to fuck off.

The (Catholic) English did so in the 1100s. Um, what is your point?

.

24 May 12 at 9:47 pm
What about keelhaul? Wasn’t there some great thread of doom about that?

I wasn’t around for that Gab. But surely everyone realises that you have to break a few eggs if you want to make a soufflé?

Les Majesty

24 May 12 at 9:47 pm
Please note Patton has yet again brought up the subject of Popes.

Gab

24 May 12 at 9:49 pm
Hang Churchill and George VI!

.

24 May 12 at 9:49 pm
I wasn’t around for that Gab.

You’re lying, aren’t you?

Gab

24 May 12 at 9:49 pm
dot

I mean the 21st century Spanish. There is no place for the antediluvian pagan papacy and its weird followers in 21st century Australia.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 9:49 pm
I wonder if A Current Affair will ask the woman on a scale from one to ten how the shagger performed in the cot?

$60,000 will be money well spent to find out that not only was he a lousy tipper he was a slack root ta boot!

Splatacrobat

24 May 12 at 9:50 pm
Thanks for clearing that up, Les. It’s important to me.

JC

24 May 12 at 9:50 pm
Just to be specific: Jarrah is defending a prime minister who has been encouraging an MP – an MP her surrogate, Chief Whip Joel Fitzgibbon, has tonight indicated is suicidal – to go on lying on her personal behalf. She has done this for months.

The alternative – to force him to tell the truth or just resign – never occurred to her.

What a morally hideous woman.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 9:50 pm
and piracy

What kind of piracy, Dot? Like copying music cds or turning a kindle into pdf or pinching software for a home computer? Or leaping aboard a boat in the high seas with a cutlass in your mouth and lashing the maiden to the mast….swoon, piracy?

Helen Armstrong

24 May 12 at 9:51 pm
I mean the 21st century Spanish. There is no place for the antediluvian pagan papacy and its weird followers in 21st century Australia.

We should be like Spain, now?

Get a new hero, kid.

.

24 May 12 at 9:51 pm
Ah yes, our resident Bride of Christ has been reading the Book of Revelations again. She’s a martyr in the presence of godless conspirators against the Lord, blah, blah, blah. Poor deluded dolt.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 9:52 pm
I wonder if A Current Affair will ask the woman on a scale from one to ten how the shagger performed in the cot?

I reckon they’re working on something which is absolutely damning and why they aren’t yet paying up the 60K.

Failing that she could come up with the famous “distinguishing feature of his private part” that Clinton got hung with… pun intended.

JC

24 May 12 at 9:52 pm
The article I posted yesterday by Rex Nutting about Obama not being a big spender, Lee Doren has debunked it.

Video Here

Alex Pundit

24 May 12 at 9:53 pm
What kind of piracy, Dot? Like copying music cds or turning a kindle into pdf or pinching software for a home computer? Or leaping aboard a boat in the high seas with a cutlass in your mouth and lashing the maiden to the mast….swoon, piracy?

I mean arsewipes that seize vessels in open waters and rape the passengers and kill the crew and scuttle the ship.

A breach of copyright should nearly always be a civil matter. Anton Piller orders are too powerful.

.

24 May 12 at 9:53 pm
An observation and Patton’s claws are out already. Precious.

Gab

24 May 12 at 9:54 pm
Jazzabelle.

Stop playing defense for the Liars Party again and again. It’s really fucking sorrowful…. and pitiful. Every time you do that a little baby cries.

JC

24 May 12 at 9:55 pm
What do you know of the PM’s dealings with Thomson about this, you puffed up ball of hatred, CL?

steve from brisbane

24 May 12 at 9:56 pm
“Jarrah is defending a prime minister”

Your desperate attempts to distance yourself from your shameful comments is noted, but I defend no-one. I’m simply surprised that your nastiness has boiled over to such an extent.

Jarrah

24 May 12 at 9:57 pm
God is love Patsy. Forget the denominational crap.

Revelations?

Not my thing.

John 13:34-35

Isaiah 49 14-16

All I care for is that they look after the poor.

.

24 May 12 at 9:58 pm
The (Catholic) English did so in the 1100s.

No they didn’t.

Henry’s new ‘church’ was hated throughout England and had to be imposed by violence. The English were very loyal Catholics, none more so than Henry VIII before he became desperate for a new, legitimate root.

Also, for the record: denominationally, England is now majority Catholic (again).

We won.

But fear not, Anglos. A man whose greatest wish is to be a tampon hovers imperiously at the ready.

Also for the record: all of America’s most dynamic libertarian leaders are now Catholics. The old WASPs led the country into its present status as the worst fiscal deadbeat in the history of the world.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 9:59 pm
What do you know of the PM’s dealings with Thomson about this, you puffed up ball of hatred, CL?

She’s innocent unless proven guilty?

Stepford rep on the UN human rights commission.

JC

24 May 12 at 9:59 pm
“I wonder if A Current Affair will ask the woman on a scale from one to ten how the shagger performed in the cot?

that’s total nonsense. the sex workers would have hundreds of clients and satsifaction does not come into it.
it’s just for the money. it’s a job. one client would be as good as the other as long as they paid their money. and faces would be difficult to remember, they would all blend into one another, unless one client wanted something particulary unusual or used their services on a regular basis.

candy

24 May 12 at 10:00 pm
A man whose greatest wish is to be a tampon hovers imperiously at the ready.

And a real worry, I must admit.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:00 pm
Henry’s new ‘church’ was hated throughout England and had to be imposed by violence.

It was the same Church, and the clergy had usurped power in the anarchy.

.

24 May 12 at 10:01 pm
Gab,don’t go there ,don’t mention the k word.

Tal

24 May 12 at 10:03 pm
And with all this going on Kev is sitting back laughing all the way to the lodge.

Splatacrobat

24 May 12 at 10:04 pm
Your desperate attempts to distance yourself from your shameful comments is noted, but I defend no-one. I’m simply surprised that your nastiness has boiled over to such an extent.

Jazzabelle.

I must admit that your new found almost saint like virtue is new to me. I think you’ve been around these parts since say around 2004. Can you show or even tell us when you displayed the same virtue of some important politician on the right? I’m really curious.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:05 pm
don’t mention the k word.

Kelly?Reminds me he hasn’t been around. The taxi business must be doing well. I hope so.

Gab

24 May 12 at 10:06 pm
Can we not talk about religion please.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:06 pm
you puffed up ball of hatred

Stop it, Steve. You’re driving me to the brink!

Enough is enough!

Your desperate attempts to distance yourself from your shameful comments is noted, but I defend no-one.

LOL.

Here are my comments again (which I have only re-capitulated):

If Gillard wasn’t a soulless monster, she would have taken a hit and facilitated Thompson’s resignation. The fact that she’s a shacked up, childless marriage-wrecker, however, means she couldn’t care less about the welfare of the Thompson family. Plus, she has already said he won’t be endorsed again and has booted him from the party room.

And that reminds me, if Thommo did swallow a bottle of Vitamin C Gillard would look pretty insincere and stupid lamenting the tragedy, given that she threw him out of caucus and decreed the enforced end of his political career.

All true.

And good to see another old Fatfingers classic: the old ‘I’m not really defending this person I’m defending.’ Almost as amusing as the old ‘it’s not an ad hom, it’s an opinion.’ (Which gave LOLs to Dover and I for about a week).

C.L.

24 May 12 at 10:06 pm
The taxi business must be doing well. I hope so.

Me too

JC

24 May 12 at 10:06 pm
CL – lepanto was fought in the Mediterranian, why would the northern Europeans be involved?

Sinclair Davidson

24 May 12 at 10:08 pm
arsewipes that seize vessels in open waters

Well that is that then. Romance in piracy is dead. The Dread Pirate Roberts is no more. I shall leave you to your battles and retire to a book.

Helen Armstrong

24 May 12 at 10:09 pm
Interesting battle that one. Our side had far more firepower and the oarsmen weren’t slaves so we gave more of shit as to who won.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:10 pm
unless one client wanted something particulary unusual or used their services on a regular basis.

Maybe thats where the woman now recalls the service? Perhaps she had to dress up as a hospital cleaner and spank his lying arse with a mop handle.

Getting screwed by a pro dressed up as a wardie might be his way of penance for screwing HSU members?

Splatacrobat

24 May 12 at 10:10 pm
Measure Thompson’s situation vis-a-vis what he did. He stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from nurses and orderlies (mostly women) to fund an apparent hooker addiction. He has lied to the union, to FWA (the statutory authority), the police, the Parliament and the ALP caucus. He also slandered Tony Abbott in the fucking Parliament. So WTF is Abbott supposed to do? Let him walk? Regarding his human, medical situation, I’ve said all along that a true leader – one with a heart, one with decency – would have counseled him to come clean and cop it to the chin, both for his own sake and for the good of governance. Had Gillard done so, Craig Thompson’s would have been out of the headlines a year ago. Gillard and the ALP instead propped him up with cash and cover for their own grubby political purposes. Gillard is one of the most morally disgusting politicians in the Western world today. Only Obama comes close.

Well said, that man.

Gab

24 May 12 at 10:11 pm
Maybe thats where the woman now recalls the service?

Na I smell they are trying to get other pieces of the story to make it bulletproof. There is money moving around but I think only if the story can be made to be impregnable and they are pretty close to dotting those “i’s”

Stepford will have to eat humble crow of course and apologize.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:14 pm
Well said, that man.

But it ofends St. Jazzabelle.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:18 pm
JC

Can we not talk about religion please?

Maybe

Interesting battle that one. Our side had far more firepower and the oarsmen weren’t slaves so we gave more of shit as to who won.

Please.

You mean can we all just talk about whatever YOU want. Well, er, no.

peter patton

24 May 12 at 10:19 pm
JC – victor Davis Hansen covers the battles in his ‘why the west has won’ great book should read it if you haven’t already

Sinclair Davidson

24 May 12 at 10:22 pm
Fine Patton. Talk about the pope for 7 1/2 more months. You’ve been going on about this since Easter Sunday.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:24 pm
CL – lepanto was fought in the Mediterranian, why would the northern Europeans be involved?

The direct war against Hitler was fought in the northern hemisphere. Why would Australians be involved?

C.L.

24 May 12 at 10:26 pm
Thanks Sinc.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:27 pm
Since successful piracy requires extensive weaponry and the use of force, and creates a criminal climate that encourages and results in frequent rape and murder…

…the death penalty is highly appropriate. Anything less and you are simply encouraging them.

Abu Chowdah

24 May 12 at 10:28 pm
No I haven’t. I have talked about popery for years. Please. If you have any interest whatsoever in economic progress and wealth production, those issues are unavoidable.

peter patton

24 May 12 at 10:28 pm
In fact, popery and Sunni Islam come under the same topic – road to serfdom.

peter patton

24 May 12 at 10:30 pm
I for one will miss this circus when it finally gets run out of town.
I’ll miss the guts ache from the rubbish tucker they dish up, the exorbitant cost, the stink and sadness of their animal attractions, their bad jokes, their embarrassing magic tricks, their bearded women and busted arsed drag queens.

The Showmans Guild. Every few years every town has to endure a visit.

Pickles

24 May 12 at 10:31 pm
Not even the normally sycophantantic Washington Post editors are buying Obummer’s latest bilge:

The Post’s View
President Obama wants it both ways on private equity

James,

the Kenyan has been the king of private equity. Think Solyndra and the other shit that hit dirt 6 months after receiving funding. Most have failed.

The big difference between Romney and the Kenyan is that he was a successful private equity dude, while the Kenyan has been horrendous.

I think Romney’s camp is keeping that zinger for the debates and slap him with it on live TV.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:34 pm
In fact, popery and Sunni Islam come under the same topic – road to serfdom.

And yet another study has found that analytic thinking and religion don’t sit well together(2 weeks ago). An ongoing trend and consistent with higher education and declining interest in religion – except for the Islam, it is booming in countries where education is lacking … .

So it is not surprising the under 30 USA citizen is sick to death of the constant invocation of religion in political matters and are abandoning the churches. The GOP has a long term problem here because it is going against history: people are abandoning most religions, thankfully, and realising that it is possible to live a good life in a cold meaningless universe(FU Weinberg you cry baby, and Penrose you coward, and Davies for asking the wrong questions). Get over it.

John H.

24 May 12 at 10:37 pm
How about the Nazi Pope? Is he off limits too? I’ve seen a 1930s New York Times editorial that says otherwise.

Les Majesty

24 May 12 at 10:37 pm
And yet another study has found that analytic thinking and religion don’t sit well together

Well, no one has yet found any association between analytic thinking and posting at the Cat, either, so I’ll take that with a grain of salt.

Les Majesty

24 May 12 at 10:40 pm
“In fact, popery and Sunni Islam come under the same topic – road to serfdom”

stop dissing catholics and grow up and act like a proper man you stupid goat.

candy

24 May 12 at 10:42 pm
No I haven’t.

Well you have. But it’s a free wheeling blog so talk up a storm if you want.

I have talked about popery for years. Please. If you have any interest whatsoever in economic progress and wealth production, those issues are unavoidable.

Dude, the good part of Protestantism has basically gone. It’s cactus. These were the people that settled entire continents and drove western civilization forward. It was the protestants that first began the movement to end slavery. When you have this creature as the head of the Anglican church referring to himself as a druid and supporting sharia it’s fucking over bar the shouts.

And more ominously a very large swag of the followers of the traditional protestant church, particularly the Anglicans have essentially become nature worshipers now. Not all of course but an uncomfortable number.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:42 pm
The most protestant-dominated polity in world history is the United States.

It is also the worst fiscal bum in world history.

Catholics are the largest denomination in Germany – economic dynamo of Europe – and were far and away the largest denomination prior to reunification.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 10:45 pm
JC

Do you really want to turn this into a Monty Python skit? Just in case, I’ll start:

I haven’t been talking about ‘Protestantism’, but now that YOU bring it up, let me just say…..

I’ll just pause there until we clarify who you want to play John Cleese.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 10:45 pm
And yet another study has found that analytic thinking and religion don’t sit well together(2 weeks ago).

What a load a codswallop it must be too. Anscombe, Geach, and Haldane are some of the most respected analytic philosophers of the last half century.

dover_beach

24 May 12 at 10:47 pm
And yet another study has found that analytic thinking and religion don’t sit well together…

Uh-huh.

C.L.

24 May 12 at 10:47 pm
Sinclair, maybe it was the Lost Viking Raiding Fleet of 1510. It’s a long shot, I know.

Winston Smith

24 May 12 at 10:48 pm
Sinclair, perhaps you could have a permanent religious thread? Like an Open Forum but dedicated to religion so the likes of Patton can go on there and harp on about Catholics to his heart’s content.

Gab

24 May 12 at 10:48 pm
Patton

You’ve been framing this long journey of yours in a proto vs RC thing since 10.34 on Easter Sunday when Gab told you to fuck off and you’ve been hurt ever since.

I have mostly avoided even reading it however that was my perception.

My other thin perspection is that your hurt the RC’s don’t support gay marriage so you’ve been swinging the handbag at people.

JC

24 May 12 at 10:51 pm
CL

You complete historical illiterate. WE weren’t even involved in the Battle of Lepanto. You know why? Because the idolatrous pagan papists were our ENEMY at that time. Ironically, the second greatest push for western civilization was the fall of Constantinople to the towelheads. The fleeing Greeks brought all the ancient Greek manuscripts to Italy and beyond. Once Europeans saw all this material, it was curtains for the Roman Catholic tyranny.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 10:52 pm
JC

You’ve been framing this long journey of yours in a proto vs RC thing since 10.34 on Easter Sunday

Yaaaaiiirrssss…and 2 weeks ago CL taught us all about Chi-Rho, and so on and so forth, eh?

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 10:55 pm
“Constantinople to the towelheads”

calling people “towelheads” is most disrespectful.

crikey, you’d think australians would be past that after all these years.

candy

24 May 12 at 10:56 pm
JC

WTF? Do you even read? I don’t give a shit about gay marriage.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 10:56 pm
JC

Quick question. Given that YOU’VE raised gay marriage. Why are you completely unfazed by thousands and thousands of posts here about gay marriage (99% by Roman Catholic males by the way), yet get an attack of the nerves when someone dares bring up religion face-to-face?

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 11:00 pm
This is cool: http://moviesimpsons.tumblr.com/

AJ

24 May 12 at 11:02 pm
Chi-Rho

?

Huh? WTF is that, an Asian dish? I missed that lecture.

Patton:

You’ve been here for several years now and it seems to me from a distance that this RC staunch opposition to the gay marriage thing has caused you to have an aneurism, as you never went off like this before. In fact I can pin point it to 10.34 Easter Sunday.

Who are you trying to marry? Tell me. And can i come to the wedding? I think Jason plus his gal along with me and wifey should score an invite to represent the Catters here.

Honestly I don’t really give a shit about it one way or another as I think the concept of marriage is fucked anyway thanks to statism, so I’m happy for you.

JC

24 May 12 at 11:03 pm
Speaking of Gay Marriage (couldn’t find the book) I see on the telly news SBS tonight that the next XMEN comic book will feature a ….gay marriage between a couple of those types that shape change and have powers and so forth.

The OTHER comic book company doesn’t want to be left behind, so one of their old heroes is going to retro come out as GAY. They are tipping it will be Batman! POW!

Apparently 60% of people (surveyed) support gay marriage. Almost enough for a referendum, methinks.

Helen Armstrong

24 May 12 at 11:11 pm
JC

Yes, it is true my attitude has changed, but that happened only 6mths – 1 year ago when it suddenly dawned on me that the Cat was infested with Roman Catholics. This had never been the case traditionally. Call me a ‘prot’ or whatever, but liberalism was born – and IS – as a movement fiercely opposed to the tyranny of popery. The Northern European revolution only got going once we bitchslapped the papists. True, they are at their fag-end in 2012 (ten Hail Marys for the pill, which stopped their out of control numbers), but they are still large enough to be a pox on our polity. Their churches are empty, but they regroup, and just like Soviet Communists were ‘entryists’ into Australia’s mid-20th century trade-union movement, the Catholics are running around posing as ‘dynamic libertarians’. They aren’t, never were, and never will be. They need to be watched.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 11:12 pm
Quick question. Given that YOU’VE raised gay marriage.

Raised it? Not as a topic. I mentioned it as the reason I felt you’ve been obsessing over it since Easter Sunday.

If you look carefully over the past year or so I’ve hardly even spoken about it nor become involved in the discussions.

Why are you completely unfazed by thousands and thousands of posts here about gay marriage (99% by Roman Catholic males by the way), yet get an attack of the nerves when someone dares bring up religion face-to-face?

I’ll tell you. A large number of those discussions actually went on specialist threads from what I recall and I didn’t go near them for the reason that I was not interested. You may find perhaps a couple of comments of mine but they weren’t either for or against gay marriage as I support state disestablishment.

Secondly I haven’t been in the least involved in this discussion at all in fact.

As for the religion thing.. well it’s been really ugly at times and perhaps since it’s been going on for months now, it would be best to avoid it. But as I said earlier knock yourself out if you want. it’s also not my site anyways.

JC

24 May 12 at 11:15 pm
Two people initiate the subject of Catholicism time and time again: Patton and SFB. No one else initiates it, though people do respond to point out their errors.

Like I said, rather than comment here, we should have a Religious Open Thread where people can verbally bash Catholics and not bore others on the Open Thread.

Gab

24 May 12 at 11:16 pm
calling people “towelheads” is most disrespectful

Candy thinks it’s waaaaaycism. Bed-wetter.

Les Majesty

24 May 12 at 11:18 pm
Oh and JC, should I ever marry a dude, you and Jason will be the first people I invite. You can be my flower girls. Of course, my Matron of Honour will be the Avian Oracle.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 11:18 pm
“the Cat was infested with Roman Catholics.”

catholics are not vernim you stupid old goat you are truly very irritating.

candy

24 May 12 at 11:20 pm
the Catholics are running around posing as ‘dynamic libertarians’. They aren’t, never were, and never will be. They need to be watched.

But that’s moot because this is a conservative site not a libertarian site and conservatives don’t mind religion so much. Under Soon this was a libertarian site, now it is just another mouthpiece for the Right. Which is ironic because years ago I used to argue that libertarians must not become too tightly aligned with the Right but the only decent libertarian forum in Aus has transformed into a right wing site. Tis sad in my book, I like libertarian ideas, have bugger all interest in conservative ideas(having heard them all my friggin life)and am of the conviction that the future will see more of a libertarian spirit(the young yanks seem to like it) which is why I don’t spend much time here anymore.

As for the churches getting another head of steam. Ha, check out the stats, church attendance is falling through the floor and has been for yonks. There done.

John H.

24 May 12 at 11:22 pm
JC’s just looking for the free lunch – aka Wedding Breakfast.

So – I’ve been away for days on end, and when I return here we are, still on the ins and outs of RCism. PP, you are right about the Christian loss of Constantinople, but don’t forget those fleeing Greeks also took with them much Arabic knowledge (well, I think it was at that time too, although the to and fro went on for a long time both before and after that). Religion is cultural; don’t beat your brow against a brick wall. Just understand it and trace its origins and development. Human beings are hard wired to want to believe something explanatory, in spite of the universe being seriously inexplicable, and that isn’t going to go away just because we think the world is somehow differently ‘contemporary’ because we have smartened up our technology.

Cool it, PP. Some of us love (and share) your antique obsessions. Observe with distance and you can have your Chi Rho on toast or au Chinois comme JC.

Gab. Little kitty is no more. I have been very sad.
She was alive, then suddenly she wasn’t. Inexplicable really.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

24 May 12 at 11:22 pm
They need to be watched

In watching the Catholics, Peter, don’t take your eyes off the Muslims.

Helen Armstrong

24 May 12 at 11:22 pm
patton

You think the remnants of the proto churches are going to carry the torch for liberty?

Please, look at the movement to environmentalism as that’s where a good number of the fuckers have headed to and what is perhaps the most destructive group since the advent of communism and the fascist movement. In fact they are worse because it’s a religious Luddite misanthropic movement rolled into one. They fucking hate human beings.

And while old line protos have been a force for good in the world, shit like the temperance movements and crap like that has been seriously evil.

JC

24 May 12 at 11:23 pm
Les, don’t you think PP is the ideal person to satisfy Mk50′s interest in detailed discussion of gay sex? In a special “sealed section” thread, of course…

steve from brisbane

24 May 12 at 11:23 pm
I was thinking about you today, Lizzie, and sorta had a feeling kitty was no more and hoping I was wrong. Sad to hear it, Lizzie.

Gab

24 May 12 at 11:25 pm
Helen

Same shit, different shower. But we tamed the Muslims in Australia.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 11:25 pm
Sorry about Little Kitty Lizzie, I was wondering where you were. I’ll go and cuddle mine in sympathy.

Helen Armstrong

24 May 12 at 11:25 pm
Don’t involve me in your schemes, Steve you dirty perv.

Les Majesty

24 May 12 at 11:27 pm
John

Something weird has definitely taken place over the last year or two. I was banned from a blog for – and I quote – “being too much of an apologist for Christianity”. And now, I’m getting all this. Curioser and curioser.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 11:27 pm
“Cool it, PP. Some of us love (and share) your antique obsessions…etc”

he’s a f…it Elizabeth and disses Catholics.

It’s no antique obsession – he’s out of his tree.

candy

24 May 12 at 11:28 pm
Little kitty is no more. I have been very sad.
She was alive, then suddenly she wasn’t. Inexplicable really.

Poor little kitty. RIP. My sympathies.

perturbed

24 May 12 at 11:29 pm
and who doesn’t get tired of steve and his homosexual penis stuff.

candy

24 May 12 at 11:32 pm
candy. How forthright of you.

The weirdest thing about this blog is not that it has one rabidly conservative and ludicrously triumphalist Catholic, but that it has a huge number of ex or wayward Catholics and (what I take to be) non practicing nominal Christians who’ll side with him most of the time.

steve from brisbane

24 May 12 at 11:32 pm
I was banned from a blog

Was that when you went by the name John Greenfield and Quiggan banned you for your sock puppetry, which had nought to do with Christianity?

Gab

24 May 12 at 11:33 pm
Gab

Nope.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 11:34 pm
Something weird has definitely taken place over the last year or two.

I’m glad someone else has noticed it because it has been in my face for months now. I do find it interesting from a verbal behavior perspective but can’t make head or tail of it. What is particularly interesting the the way some of the old timers don’t enter into some discussions. You got banned for the reasons I stated above: this is now a conservative site. To be banned for attacking catholics when on this forum libel occurs on an almost hourly basis is ridiculous.

John H.

24 May 12 at 11:35 pm
But pretty weird that you would want to track somebody down on a blog from way before you were even blogging. Bit creepy really.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 11:36 pm
Under Soon this was a libertarian site, now it is just another mouthpiece for the Right. Which is ironic because years ago I used to argue that libertarians must not become too tightly aligned with the Right but the only decent libertarian forum in Aus has transformed into a right wing site. Tis sad in my book, I like libertarian ideas, have bugger all interest in conservative ideas

John H.

I think you’re over egging it. The site certainly has some righties who are only too pleased to say they are but it’s still quite libertarian.

Look at the abuse staunch conservative nutball New gold dream gets from people here for instance.

Economics.

I cannot recall one single issue to do with economics that could be considered interventionist conservative. Not one. Can you think of one? Perhaps the only difference I’ve seen is actually between me and some of the other people over the issue of monetary policy, They support either gold or tight policy while I have taken a more inflationary one.. or the route Friedman has suggested.

Social issues.

Gay marriage, which is the hot topic? Some of the people here have pushed against gay marriage, but others have gone for disestablishment.

Not all people who claim to be libertarian support all facets of libertarianism and that’s fine too really as it can be a big tent.

As for the politics.. I fucking despise this government with all my being. I hate what they’ve done in all social and economic issues they’ve touched and I want them gone. If the libs behave badly… they are not libertarian.. then they will also get a huge kicking.

JC

24 May 12 at 11:36 pm
No, it’s been discussed here before. Don’t get excited, pet.

Gab

24 May 12 at 11:37 pm
The weirdest thing about this blog is not that it has one rabidly conservative and ludicrously triumphalist Catholic, but that it has a huge number of ex or wayward Catholics and (what I take to be) non practicing nominal Christians who’ll side with him most of the time.

Shorter Steve..

Cl and the other regulars pick on me too much.

JC

24 May 12 at 11:40 pm
Not all people who claim to be libertarian support all facets of libertarianism and that’s fine too really as it can be a big tent.

Libertarianism is to politics as the Uniting Church is to organised religion. You don’t really have to believe anything in particular – it’s just the vibe of the thing.

Les Majesty

24 May 12 at 11:42 pm
John H

It’s much worse since the Boltards like Rabz and Iq49 started stinking the place up.

But yeah, the Cat isn’t conservative or libertarian.

It’s just reactionary.

Les Majesty

24 May 12 at 11:44 pm
patton
Go back to the way you were:

“being too much of an apologist for Christianity”. And now, I’m getting all this.

The luvvie attacks… I’ve missed.

JC

24 May 12 at 11:44 pm
John

Wow. I think you might be very warm. I really, really hope the cat is not entering that cesspit the NSW Libs did when The Uglies took over.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 11:45 pm
David Clarke and the gang. Shudder.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 11:46 pm
it. The site certainly has some righties who are only too pleased to say they are but it’s still quite libertarian.

A right wing libertarian is as oxymoronic as a left wing libertarian. Right wingers believe in regulated markets, not free markets. Left wingers believe in social justice markets, which is dumb. Markets are amoral so they are stupid to even think like that. Right wingers often defend religion, the most recent banning on this site was about bloody religion. Right wingers like big govt. Yeah, right and libertarian, a marriage made in heaven. Fuck me, and you people carry on about the perils of gay marriage.

John H.

24 May 12 at 11:47 pm
Les

IQ is a RC. Quelle surprise.

Peter Patton

24 May 12 at 11:47 pm
It’s just reactionary.

lol Oh shut up Les. It’s reactionary but not for the reasons you think.

It’s/we’re reacting to the disgusting leftism we’re seeing in the western world.

A few things have set me off for instance.

The raving lunacy of the ‘vironmental movement and the virus its spead through the western left that has to be destroyed is my defining essence.

Particular hatreds.

The stimulus.

The incompetence of administration and execution of policy wasting billions over billions.

The fucking lies that went with the carbon tax and the alarmism over the climate issue.

The attack by the Kenyan’s administration on the US banking system and industry. See Boeing and Dodd Frank.

The Bolt court case

The attack here on free speech by the Finkelstienians and most leftwing observers have remained silent.

These are all good reasons to despise these pricks both here and the US.

JC

24 May 12 at 11:52 pm
Atta girl, Candy. It’s good to have opinions. I have heaps of them, so I guess I know.

Personally, I like having PP around, and like him I’ll diss any ideology or belief system if I feel it is making too many impositions on my life or that of unwilling others. Historically, Roman Catholicism has done the latter in certain times and places, although arguably no more so than other creeds, and in the scheme of things I think it is overall a force for the good nowadays, standing up for the Western tradition (although I know people who would vehemently disagree about this too; they are often medical and not very conservative politically, some are libertarians). Current day creeds? Islamic fascism gives me the creeps, so does Deep Earthian Greenslime Religon.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

24 May 12 at 11:56 pm
John H

The libertarian movement in the US has traditionally supported the GOP until 2008 when the Kenyan basically lied and said he was a centrist democrat and now we find he’s a socialist lying turd.

But please explain to me which policies have the thread owners here supported that were for regulated markets.

Go ahead.

I also can’t recall any of the regulars supporting regulated markets.

JC

24 May 12 at 11:57 pm
Candy

Please stop the heavy hitting as it’s not that kind of site.

JC

24 May 12 at 11:58 pm
Like I said, rather than comment here, we should have a Religious Open Thread where people can verbally bash Catholics and not bore others on the Open Thread.

Ah, now, here it comes. These people just cannot help themselves. There’s never too may things they want placed on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum. They’re creepy.

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 12:00 am
You complete historical illiterate. WE weren’t even involved in the Battle of Lepanto. You know why? Because the idolatrous pagan papists were our ENEMY at that time.

LOL. You mean, that and the fact that the Commonwealth of Australia was 300 years away from existing?

Ahahahahahaha.

But yes, Pope Pius and the Holy League saved civilisation while the protestants sat back and did nothing. Maybe they were all cowering on the toilet in honour of Martin Luther.

Fast forward to the 1970s and 80s. Catholic Poland and its sons Wojtyla, Walesa and Popiełuszko (et hoc genus omne) stare down Kalashnikovs and the secret police to start a revolution that will destroy the most murderous tyranny in human history.

The protestant World Council of Churches backs the Soviets, accepts KGB funding.

European civilisation – child of the Catholic Church – was also saved by the Catholic Church.

Deo gratias.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 12:02 am
Patton

No what’s creepy is your obsession with Catholics. Why do you need to bring it up constantly in a derogatory fashion?

Why do you hate Catholics? What have they done to you? And why take it out here? Is it some form of therapy? And does it help?

Gab

25 May 12 at 12:04 am
I find it hard to understand why people are confusing religious adherence and libertarianism as the two are not mutually exclusive.

Loonie Ron Paul is someone who holds strongly religious views and I don’t think there is anyone who wouldn’t consider him libertarian.

Libertarianism is how someone views his or her relationship to the state. It’s not more than that.

I think for instance that someone like Mary MaCKillop was actually a strong libertarian when it was mentioned here once that she always refused to take money from the state because she obviously knew where that rat hole would lead to.

I also think the American Catholic church is doing something that is very important to the libertarian movement and that’s taking the US government to court over the issue of the separation of Church and State.

You can be as religious as you like as long as you don’t advocate the state to do your bidding against others to be a libertarian.

JC

25 May 12 at 12:11 am
And stay out of everyone’s wallet.

JC

25 May 12 at 12:14 am
Well I want to thank you all, for speaking with open minds, for considering, for your depth of knowledge, for your humour and your rage but also for opening the door onto something wonderful that I never knew existed before. It was the Great Global Warming Battle that led me here and I am so grateful that such a site exists. But it only exists because of you, the learning, the sharing of knowledge and the freedom to express. These are things to cherish. And to fight for.

Helen Armstrong

25 May 12 at 12:14 am
I guess the Greeks aren’t going anywhere in a hurry.

Greece’s four largest banks will get an 18 billion euro capital injection by Friday or Monday, the country’s central bank chief said.

“Funding of 18 billion euros will be disbursed tomorrow or on Monday to Greek banks, which is important in a period of great uncertainty,” George Provopoulos said during a meeting with the country’s president on Thursday.

Earlier this week, Greece’s bank stability fund approved the recapitalization that will allow the banks to return to funding from the European Central Bank, which cut off some Greek lenders last week because they lacked enough capital to be considered solvent.

JC

25 May 12 at 12:16 am
Peter P,

Your theology is hopeless, your history even worse.

Look up Cardinal Von Galen and tell me that Catholics didn’t stand for liberty.

Tell me Lech Walesa and JP2 didn’t stand for liberty.

I don’t know what your problem is with Catholics, but you sound deranged and obsessed by the Pope and Catholics.

Let it go mate!

John Comnenus

25 May 12 at 12:29 am
JC,

Where are the Greeks getting $18bn from?

John Comnenus

25 May 12 at 12:32 am
john

Some hovel intra-EU fund they set up. They’ve set up countless of these funds etc to do different things.

JC

25 May 12 at 12:53 am
John

All you people say ‘let it go’. Let WHAT go? Commenting on the Battle of Lepanto?

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 12:54 am
I find it hard to understand why people are confusing religious adherence and libertarianism as the two are not mutually exclusive.

“People” aren’t JC, just a couple of old hippies stuck in 1975 who are still hysterically raging against either the catholics or the Greatest Generation’s politics.

How bizarre is it to see someone say the place is being taken over by “the right” and then define “the right” as wanting market intervention, as though the place is awash with old country party protectionists.

Bizarre.

twostix

25 May 12 at 12:55 am
Poll QLD State Primary Votes: LNP 54 (+4.3 from election) ALP 23 (-3.7)

QLD you magnificent state!

twostix

25 May 12 at 12:57 am
Loonie Ron Paul is someone who holds strongly religious views and I don’t think there is anyone who wouldn’t consider him libertarian.

he isn’t. Ask Spooner.

Les Majesty

25 May 12 at 1:00 am
Stix

As far as the regulars go and granted there are Bolt blow ins from time to time and more frequently these days, I cannot recall anyone here advocating for any form of economic intervention.

I think john and other lefties are confusing the absolute hatred of this government with being a liberal.

Of course, I for instance , support the libs, but only because they are the only vehicle that will rid of this virus of a government. If they do some free market reforms that’s an added bonus.

JC

25 May 12 at 1:00 am
Obama goes all in…into Wisconsin:

Fearful that a Walker victory in next month’s recall would be a crippling blow to the state’s Democrat party, the Obama campaign is shifting its entire campaign infrastructure in the state to help oust Walker on June

Given Obama’s track record so far when it comes to “helping” campaigns it looks like it’ll be a landslide for Walker.

twostix

25 May 12 at 1:01 am
Who’s Spooner?

JC

25 May 12 at 1:01 am
oops link

twostix

25 May 12 at 1:01 am
Dennis Shanahan remembers Tony Windsor’s proven lies about John Anderson, told under parliamentary privilege (which lies the dingo subsequently refused to repeat outside the House).

The Labor opposition, led by Mark Latham, who this week declared his view that the pursuit of Thomson was justified and a moral issue for parliament, pursued Anderson in question time. Latham, Albanese and Gillard all demanded Anderson answer the charges from Windsor, all before the police inquiry was finalised.

Gillard argued the questions were in order because Labor was “entitled to point to the public reporting of this matter”.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 1:03 am
and then define “the right” as wanting market intervention, as though the place is awash with old country party protectionists.

So how about Tony Abbott’s maternity leave sheme? Or all that money Howard and Co threw at families, or that the coalition won’t advocate getting rid of the minimum wage, and did they get rid of ASIC(god thankfully no). Yeah, right wingers are against market intervention my arse.

“People” aren’t JC, just a couple of old hippies stuck in 1975 who are still hysterically raging against either the catholics or the Greatest Generation’s politics.

Too young to be an old hippie idiot. You’re the moron who thought I was being over the top re concussion only to see the following day a full doco on hit with one of Australian’s leading neurosurgeons claiming 3 concussions and you should be out of the game yet again you display the same drooling level of consciousness go back to whatever swamp you came from.

John H.

25 May 12 at 1:05 am
So how about Tony Abbott’s maternity leave sheme?

I don’t know how many times people here have criticized it. You obviously missed that.

Or all that money Howard and Co threw at families, or that the coalition won’t advocate getting rid of the minimum wage, and did they get rid of ASIC(god thankfully no). Yeah, right wingers are against market intervention my arse.

Howard’s spending has been criticized as people have were always advocating tax cuts.

Oh please, have you never read the advocacy against labor market intervention here? Numerous people here have said how the opposition is gutless to confront the issue of labor market reform because they were burnt alive over workchoices.

And to remind you, john don’t you recall the support that was given to workchoices here? In fact i helped fund a book written on the subject at the time.

JC

25 May 12 at 1:15 am
Too young to be an old hippie idiot. You’re the moron who thought I was being over the top re concussion only to see the following day a full doco on hit with one of Australian’s leading neurosurgeons claiming 3 concussions and you should be out of the game yet again you display the same drooling level of consciousness go back to whatever swamp you came from.

No I called you a totalitarian who drags medical research kicking and screaming into service. In that case for your desire to ban contact sports. In this open thread to malign religion.

Because what you actually announced was that parents weren’t going to let kids people play contact sports anymore because of a report that had found that…concussions are bad.

I was mocking you and your bizarre belief that adults haven’t known that for decades.

twostix

25 May 12 at 1:16 am
Americans dump Joe Biden:

And The Hill fuels Veep-replacement notion:

Vice President Biden has a negative favorability rating for the first time since becoming President Obama’s vice presidential pick, according to a Gallup poll released on Wednesday.

Incredibly, 73 percent of registered Democrats approve of Biden – the dumbest Vice-President in American history.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 1:19 am
twostix

Not that it’s any of my business, but are you a RC?

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 1:19 am
Joe ain’t going anywhere. America loves Joe.

Les Majesty

25 May 12 at 1:20 am
Not that it’s any of my business, but are you a RC?

No and never was.

I just can’t get upset about it. I like reading CL’s “triumphalist” screeds, I find them very entertaining. I actually also enjoy much of what you write but we’ve all got our bugbears and yours seems to be the catholics.

twostix

25 May 12 at 1:32 am
twostix

The fact that you see the disequilibrium coming from my side suggests an irrational preconceived bias. Go back, look at the data, do the math. THINK.

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 1:35 am
Peter:

Not that it’s any of my business, but are you a really a “misogynistic old queen” (qua Jason Soon)?

C.L.

25 May 12 at 1:41 am
Peter, Churchill defined you to a T.
“A bore is someone who won’t change the subject, and can’t change their mind.”

Peter, you’re boring.

Winston Smith

25 May 12 at 1:44 am
Media AWOL…

It’s the largest action for liberty in American history but the media refuse to give due coverage to the Catholic Church’s massive legal onslaught against a protestant president’s communist, economy-wrecking ‘Obamacare’ provisions.

Also MIA: combined action from America’s protestant churches.

Sitting out another one.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 1:48 am
Uh-oh:

The Daily Telegraph understands NSW police have passed on details of at least one escort agency transaction to detectives in Victoria who are investigating whether the suspended Labor MP illegally spent up to $500,000 of union funds, including $6000 on prostitutes, using two credit cards between 2002 and 2007.

It is understood the new transactions identified by police occurred prior to 2002, when Mr Thomson began his five-year reign as head of the Health Services Union. Before this, he was a senior official with the union’s NSW branch.

They allegedly showed up on an American Express card supplied to Mr Thomson by a printing contractor with the union, Communigraphix.

In his statement to parliament this week, Mr Thomson claimed that in 2004 union officials threatened they would frame him with prostitutes.

Poor old thommo. His final excuse falls through the floor. Unless of course the union officials used some of that advanced hacker technology to go back in time to 2002 in order to frame him.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/escorts-claims-could-sink-mp-craig-thomson/story-fn7q4q9f-1226366166474

twostix

25 May 12 at 1:53 am
Uh Oh all right.

I don’t see where Thomson and Gillard can go from here.

It was stupid of them to ever think one of the prostitutes wasn’t going to come out and talk. Of course one was going to pop up at some point.

The fact that this was 7 or 8 transactions defied belief – of course he has been doing this over a long period. He probably started using the card because he had gotten away with it for so long he got sloppy.

He probably started with cash withdrawals and payments, but got more brazen.

It’s clear he’s not willing to take legal action against media who publish and show these things, so he’s reduced to whining about it.

The DT link above shows that 92% of the public don’t believe him.

He’s a goner. I doubt he still be in parliament by the start of June. Something has to give. The stalling is no longer a viable strategy.

brc

25 May 12 at 2:44 am
My kid went to see this band perform in Brooklyn a while back and told me about them. I looked them on you tube and saw there was an interview the lead singer had done in Sydney earlier this year. She’s really quite cute with a great lisp. Not sure about the music though as its a little girly.

Anyways this moron interviewed her and the first thing you think of when you see him is .. dude, what’s with the freaking hair..

Then i saw this comment at the bottom of the vid. I’m sure it came from someone at the Cat who left it there.

what the FUCK is with that guy’s haircut, im amazed she didn’t burst out laughing at his blatant faggotry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpm_454HWOM&NR=1&feature=endscreen

JC

25 May 12 at 2:53 am
In that case for your desire to ban contact sports.

Bullshit, I specifically stated in that thread that people can do as they wish but they had better be informed about the consequences. Your assertion was that parents knew the risks which is absurd because only an hour ago I read a study which showed a different cognitive performance between contact sports teenagers and controls. My only advice is that they will need to change the rules of the game because if they don’t parents will encourage their kids to think about other sports. It is not like there is a lack of choice. If you bothered to look at the data you will might realise why long ago some neuroscientists were arguing that we must take steps to prevent head hits because of the potential long term consequences. What I have been arguing is entirely consistent with the literature and does not impinge on peoples’ liberty if anything it enhances it because brain damaged people lose liberty.

I was mocking at your suggestion that people are fully informed of the risk. You are most certainly not and nor are most parents. Only now are we beginning to realise the potential risk.

So don’t verbal me.

John H.

25 May 12 at 3:05 am
Taking it to eleventy:

Joel Fitzgibbon to Labor spokesman, Phillip Coorey:

Thomson treated ‘worse than Ivan Milat’.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 3:09 am
Wow. Even the alphabet soup love media in the US noticing…

Plus: Romney mocks the idiot.

CBS: Attacks on Romney’s business past not sticking.

(CBS News) WASHINGTON — President Obama is losing ground in the latest polls to Republican challenger Mitt Romney, who’s pushing back against Democrats criticizing his business experience.

As the president has stepped up his attacks on Romney and his record at the private equity firm Bain Capital, Romney has indicated, during this crucial period to define himself to the electorate, he is not going to take the attacks lying down.

“He just doesn’t have a clue what to do to get this economy going. I do,” Romney asserted in an interview with Mark Halperin, of Time magazine.

Romney responded aggressively Wednesday to the Obama campaign’s attack on his work as CEO of Bain Capital, and to questions about his qualifications to be president.

In the Time interview, Romney turned the tables, almost scoffing at Mr. Obama’s qualifications when he ran for president in 2008.

“Right now,” Romney told Halperin, “we have an economy in trouble, and someone who’s spent their career in the economy is more suited to help fix the economy than someone who’s spent his life in politics and as a community organizer.”

A lesson here for class warrior morons Gillard and Swan. But will they notice? Of course not.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 3:13 am
Mmm. Odd. An ‘exhausted’ Obama fails to take the stage when introduced in Redwood, California. Crowd entertains itself.

Obama Misses His Entrance.

Earlier the same day: Obama a ‘Little Flat’ in Denver – And 150 people fail to show for fundraiser.

“The crowd was obviously supportive and glad to see him, though the room at times felt a little flat and Potus seemed a little tired after a long day that’s not even close to being over.” (The president has two more fundraisers tonight in California.)

C.L.

25 May 12 at 3:19 am
Question is: Can Gillard’s cluelessness maintain her record for creating roughly one new crisis per calendar month? It’s only five weeks until the air tax starts provoking more stories like this. Surely the Strap-On Queen can squeeze out one more vomitous scandal to entertain us in June.

Tom

25 May 12 at 4:32 am
C.L. – if this keeps up, it’s the beginning of the end. Observe

1) The poll results, which sometimes have Obambi ahead and sometimes Romney surging by a nose

2) The fact that Obambi seems constantly to be pounding the ground, working himself into exhaustion just to keep this level of “usually ahead”.

3) The sure knowledge that there has to be worse to come, economically and perhaps politically too, particularly in view of the fact that…

4) If he’s spending all this time and effort just to get re-elected, who the fuck is sitting at home doing his job for the last six months of his term?

Obamacare is under the Sword of Damocles; Obama’s “Conversion on the Road to Gaymascus” is viewed askance even by some homosexuals as a cynically timed political move; sections of the military are tired of his bignoting himself on the backs of their achievements and so on.

Every day it becomes clearer that he has nothing but relentless negativity for the other side (“If you vote Romney, all women’s and gay rights will be gone!”, Cf. “If Abbott gets in…”) and vague fudging of his own ‘accomplishments’ trying to hide the fact that he has raped, sodomised and looted Treasury to no productive end ever since he got into power and intends to go on doing so for another four years if he can get over the line, just as Gillard will do if by some miracle of lying and poll-stuffing she could secure her job until 2016.

perturbed

25 May 12 at 4:49 am
C.L. – if this keeps up, it’s the beginning of the end. Observe

1) The poll results, which sometimes have Obambi ahead and sometimes Romney surging by a nose

2) The fact that Obambi seems constantly to be pounding the ground, working himself into exhaustion just to keep this level of “usually ahead”.

3) The sure knowledge that there has to be worse to come, economically and perhaps politically too, particularly in view of the fact that…

4) If he’s spending all this time and effort just to get re-elected, who the fuck is sitting at home doing his job for the last six months of his term?

Obamacare is under the Sword of Damocles; Obama’s “Conversion on the Road to Gaymascus” is viewed askance even by some homosexuals as a cynically timed political move; sections of the military are tired of his bignoting himself on the backs of their achievements and so on.

Every day it becomes clearer that he has nothing but relentless negativity for the other side (“If you vote Romney, all women’s and gay rights will be gone!”, Cf. “If Abbott gets in…”) and vague fudging of his own ‘accomplishments’ trying to hide the fact that he has raped, sodomised and looted Treasury to no productive end ever since he got into power and intends to go on doing so for another four years if he can get over the line, just as Gillard will do if by some miracle of lying and poll-stuffing she could secure her job until 2016.

perturbed

25 May 12 at 4:51 am
(apologies for double post. something strange happened. Mods feel free to kill one of the two.)

perturbed

25 May 12 at 4:53 am
What did you expect? If being campaign manager for the worst government in Australian history means defending white-collar criminals, Phil Coorey is your man.

Tom

25 May 12 at 4:57 am
One of the academic architects of Australia’s latest tax gouge just can’t be trusted. But there’s a whole industry just like him.

Tom

25 May 12 at 5:34 am
Apart from being discriminatory and a denial of Natural Justice, what could be wrong with labelling people as bullies and condemning them to unemployment? I can’t see how this got past legals.

BullyCheck policy a legal minefield

http://www.news.com.au/national/bullycheck-policy-a-legal-minefield/story-e6frfkvr-1226366295535
Yet an initiative championed by the government and clubs needs to be very carefully monitored to ensure that it doesn’t cause more problems than it seeks to solve.
Under the BullyCheck system, to be launched today, 12 large employers of people aged from 17 to 22 will be asked to allow reference checks from their schools to determine if they were bullies. Should they fail this character test, they won’t be employed.

John H.

25 May 12 at 5:39 am
John H, I share your concerns, but Alan Jones has made it first on his list of things to be praised this morning as “a damned good idea”.

Tom

25 May 12 at 5:47 am
Bully Check is discriminatory. I am with John H. It should be struck down as a denial of natural justice.

They are going to make you unemployed because you were a turd when you were 12 or 13 years old?

No one would ever get a job.

This is just another example of overreaching Government power.

1. School should not be compulsory. Read John Taylor Gatto. It genuinely dumbs down a lot of people.

2. If children could fight back without being smothered by a PC administrative system, there would be less bullying.

.

25 May 12 at 7:24 am
David Clarke and the gang. Shudder.

Just for Patsy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrrch43CweU

.

25 May 12 at 7:29 am
Thomson treated ‘worse than Ivan Milat’.

Fuck they are a desperate lot. The only murder committed by Thomson that comes close to comparing him to Milat would be the sadistic torture and death that he has wrought upon the Labor party.

Splatacrobat

25 May 12 at 7:29 am
Under the BullyCheck system, to be launched today, 12 large employers of people aged from 17 to 22 will be asked to allow reference checks from their schools to determine if they were bullies.

The all-knowing, all-wise, perfect and caring machinery of state can tell you if you deserve a job.

Question: how is this supposed to stop bullying? I Can’t see it working.

Adam Kane

25 May 12 at 7:45 am
Peter P, what is your problem with the Catholic Church? I wasn’t planning on commenting on the Church but sod it – over in New York a new priest is ordained and guess what?

His first Mass is in Latin!

Be afraid, Peter. More Catholics are embracing the traditions and especially the Latin. The demographics are changing, with a lot more younger people at my church than there were even a year ago, and the demand for the Latin is increasing.

We are getting an Ordinariate here in Australia, which wouldn’t be happening if there weren’t a demand for it, and there are plenty of Anglicans who are not happy with the direction their church has taken.

nilk

25 May 12 at 8:05 am
John H, on the subject of bullying, the schools these days are so appallingly politically correct that the very thought of calling someone an insulting name is verboten.

I got called so many names all through school, as I sure most here did, and survived.

My offspring is in Grade 4, and apart from being called a cry baby and sook in preps she rarely gets teased, and wouldn’t dream of hurting someone’s feelings.

How she survives with my rants I honestly don’t know at times, although she’s happy to tell everyone that Julia Gillard is a liar, so I’ve got something right.

I’ve taken her to very non-pc meets where there is in-depth discussion of things political and activist, so we’ll see how that pans out in the near future.

nilk

25 May 12 at 8:08 am
The direct war against Hitler was fought in the northern hemisphere. Why would Australians be involved?

Piss-poor – you can do better than that.

Sinclair Davidson

25 May 12 at 8:13 am
Speaking of bullying…

Shops and restaurants could face fines up to $1.1 million if waiters or sales staff wrongly blame the carbon tax for price rises or exaggerate the impact.

Freedom of speech the good old-fashioned commie way.

Gab

25 May 12 at 8:23 am
Bullying is a shit of a thing but it isn’t new – children have bullied each other for years and years. Of course it should be minimised where possible but the ant-bullying campaign is becoming a bit of, well, a bully itself.

Bullying has been defined down to the point where not inviting someone to your birthday party is now bullying. Having a best friend or a small group of friends (and by implication being not as friendly with others) is now bullying. The typical playground scrap between boys – bullying.

This campaign – who would ever think this is a good idea? If implemented it will lead to many more cases of injustice than it would ever solve. Try getting a incorrect credit report corrected and multiply that by 100.

A terrible idea – sounds like something Alan Jones would support …

Matt

25 May 12 at 8:27 am
dot
As far as I can see, it’s a totally voluntary initiative. Clubs find out from local high schools who the bullies are and they don’t get hired. What’s the problem? Is it that public schools are involved? Would it be OK if they were private schools? Both public and private schools frequently share information on lots of things including test scores. And I’m fine with employers discriminating against anyone they want on whatever frivolous grounds they want.

jtfsoon

25 May 12 at 9:07 am
So who do I sue if I am denied a job because a vindictive and vexatious bullying complaint was made against me in high school? What about mistaken identity? It is an absolute minefield and if I was a school administrator I would run a mile from it.

The whole idea is a crock of shit and will cause more harm than it ever resolves. Does anyone seriously think a 16 year old bully will stop and think “Oh, I better stop this or else I won’t get a job at the pokie palace up the road”?

Matt

25 May 12 at 9:33 am
And I’m fine with employers discriminating against anyone they want on whatever frivolous grounds they want.

God knows I would be tempted to discriminate on the grounds of climate change denialism.

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 9:36 am
God, you’re a simpleton, Steve. I could feel compassion if you were also an adult.

Tom

25 May 12 at 9:47 am
if you’re really that keen for that job in the club you could ask the club ‘why was I rejected?’

if he says ‘because you are on the bully register’ and you have no record of the bullying, take it up with the school to get the record corrected. otherwise find another job.

sorry, I don’t see what the fuss is. it’s a local, voluntary initiative to do something about bullying. I wouldn’t legislate against it.

jtfsoon

25 May 12 at 9:48 am
What we need is WeirdoCheck. If a potential employer knew about Steve’s internet fixation with penises, genital warts, Herman Cain Black Sex Machine, bullying women and spreading rumours about Tony Abbott’s sex life, I doubt he’d get a gig.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 10:03 am
joel Fitzgibbon to Labor spokesman, Phillip Coorey:

Thomson treated ‘worse than Ivan Milat’.

Not a day should go by without mention of bald idiot Phil Coorey.

JC

25 May 12 at 10:12 am
Tom, has anyone mentioned before that you display the same intellectual capacity as your avatar? Just wondering…

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 10:13 am
Wow, Gab. So Gillard is now looking to arrest shop-owners and waiters who “lie” about her carbon dioxide tax. How about notoriously opinionated taxi drivers? Will they too be jailed? And what about those barbers?

C.L.

25 May 12 at 10:13 am
Don’t be silly, Sinclair. Historians agree that Lepanto not only saved the Mediterranean but 1) prevented a stage 2 onslaught on Europe proper and 2) destroyed subsequent Ottoman sniping and piracy vis-a-vis European navies. Protestant nations had direct and profound interests in the outcome but contributed nothing, leaving the whole shooting match to Pope Pius. Horrible cowardice.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 10:20 am
Is there much point in this woman having a pixellated face on TV now? That is, assuming she will be appearing at all, which does not yet seem certain:

THE woman at the centre of the latest Craig Thomson scandal works in the thoroughbred industry in northern New South Wales.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal the woman, originally from New Zealand, lives at Cabarita Beach after previously working in Sydney as an escort with Boardroom Escorts.

Now in her 30s, she left the sex industry and moved north to Murwillumbah, where she worked at horse stables as a strapper before her NSW Racing registration expired in October last year.

The woman has been taken to an overseas location after Channel 9′s A Current Affair offered her $60,000 to speak about her alleged encounters with the Dobell MP.

Sounds like a low quality journalistic circus going on here.

Anyway, apart from that, we can all move from Thomson for a day and let him have a quiet weekend.

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 10:26 am
Barry Cassidy at the Drum: stop criticising and ridiculing politicians or they’ll commit suicide!

We all remember Barry’s concern when he worked for Paul Keating’s boss.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 10:28 am
Now even Ann Coulter is debunking Rex Nutting on that Obama the small spender column

I don’t know if anyone else besides Winston read the article, but it was strikingly similar to that one that George Megalogenis wrote last year about spending being higher under Howard/Costello then under Rudd/Gillard/Swan which Sinc debunked. Similar accounting tricks.

Alex Pundit

25 May 12 at 10:28 am
The best anti bullying lesson can be found here . No amount of PC touchy feely counselling will ever prevent bullying. Public humiliation, corporal punishment and shunning sorts out bullies a lot faster than a PowerPoint presentation and group hugs in a classroom.

Splatacrobat

25 May 12 at 10:35 am
Protestant nations had direct and profound interests in the outcome but contributed nothing, leaving the whole shooting match to Pope Pius. Horrible cowardice.

We’ll call it even after the horrible cowardice and co-operation Catholic Europe showed in the face of Atheist Germany’s evil. It took Protestant Britain, Australia, NZ, Canada and the US to save their Catholic arses.

Infidel Tiger

25 May 12 at 10:36 am
I wouldn’t legislate against it.

Nor would I, but it is still a stupid idea with huge unintended consequences.

Just because I think an idea is stupid doesn’t mean I want to ban it

Matt

25 May 12 at 10:37 am
if he says ‘because you are on the bully register’ and you have no record of the bullying, take it up with the school to get the record corrected

Had a friend of mine try and get his credit record corrected – it was Kafkaesque. A “bully” register maintained by schools will be worse.

Matt

25 May 12 at 10:41 am
Catholics didn’t participate in World War II?

I must tell my grandfather and uncle.

They’ll be – at the very least – surprised.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 10:44 am
Alex, I went back again to try and figure out just WTF they were doing to come out with the numbers they did, and ran across the same Anne Coulter article you’ve (probably) linked to above. This is so appallingly dishonest it is almost beyond imagination.
If Obama gets up again, and I think he’ll retire for health reasons before the election, leaving it open for Hilary, then the voters in the US deserve what they get.

Winston SMITH

25 May 12 at 10:44 am
God knows I would be tempted to discriminate on the grounds of climate change denialism.

Works both ways. I wouldn’t ever work with anyone who was a raving climate lunatic who thought we were all going to die.

At the recent council elections I went straight up to the candidates I could find and asked them flat out if they supported the carbon tax. None were brave enough to say yes, and I got a couple of ‘hell, no’ type answers. What does that have to do with screening candidates on the basis of ‘denialism’? Not much, but it was fun to do.

Read the polling and you’ll find that trying to find someone to hire who is a similar climate zealot is going to be a tough ask indeed, unless you’re hiring for the diversity committee for morning teas at the ABC office.

brc

25 May 12 at 10:47 am
Crack-up watch:

Bad news: Obama campaign starting to think they might lose.

Will Obama Pull an LBJ and Drop Out?

At that first link, Carl Rove essentially argues that Romney is set to win.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 10:48 am
God knows I would be tempted to discriminate on the grounds of climate change denialism.

Obama dumps ‘climate change.’

Roll Call: Obama Steers Clear on Climate:

President Barack Obama’s first Earth Day proclamation in 2009 was an urgent call to address global warming. This year? The word “climate” didn’t even get a mention.

Four years ago, Obama and his opponent, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), both ran on implementing a cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions. Obama still mentions climate change in some speeches. For example, he’ll make a push to extend clean energy tax breaks Thursday. Still, the White House has soft-pedaled the way it talks about it heading into a tough election in which the economy trumps all.

Gone are the urgent statements warning of melting glaciers and rising sea levels. Indeed, the energy and environment page at WhiteHouse.gov now shows a photo of the president walking in front of segments of oil pipeline, and the White House never neglects an opportunity to tout its support for domestic oil and natural gas drilling. In briefings on background, senior administration officials now talk about exporting fracking technology, which has caused natural gas production to boom and prices to fall.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 10:55 am
So Gillard is now looking to arrest shop-owners and waiters who “lie” about her carbon dioxide tax.

simply a compact euphemism for

disagree with the Gillard government regards the carbon dioxide tax at your peril

I find this utterly despicable and directly from the stables of communism. Why aren’t people angry about this?

Slow boiling frogs.

Gab

25 May 12 at 10:57 am
Who said anyone really thinks Obama is showing the best sort of leadership on climate change?

He is, on the other hand, facing the nutty anti-science Right on the issue, and has limited options.

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 10:59 am
Tom, has anyone mentioned before that you display the same intellectual capacity as your avatar?

Steve are you self-aware, ever? Are you even a sentient being?

Your gravatar is a dodo.

Gab

25 May 12 at 11:00 am
I’m baaack

[No. You're not. Not yet. Sinc]

steve

25 May 12 at 11:05 am
all this talk about Thommo’s mental state and nast AbbottAbbottAbbott bullying him.

I wonder how much pressure he’s under from his own party to stay put?

papachango

25 May 12 at 11:07 am
I must say, this nonsense that we should lay off Thompson in case he causes self-harm is like that scene from Blazing Saddles – pointing a gun to himself and saying, “Careful, I’ve got a hostage!”

Fleeced

25 May 12 at 11:08 am
Gab, SoB’s avatar is the original direction seeking, question kite flying duck of Leunig fame.
It’s very deep and meaningful.
Unlike Steve.

Winston SMITH

25 May 12 at 11:11 am
So Gillard is now looking to arrest shop-owners and waiters who “lie” about her carbon dioxide tax.

Fuck. Me. This is a new low, even for the Gillard government.

papachango

25 May 12 at 11:13 am
Slow boiling frogs.

Exactly.

Gillard now wants to arrest journalists and waiters.

He is, on the other hand, facing the nutty anti-science Right on the issue, and has limited options.

He had unopposed control of the White House and Congress for, what, 18 to 24 months. Why didn’t he force crap ‘n trade, Steve?

But here we see in the wild an old favourite of mine: everything Obama hasn’t done makes him an obvious target for Steve-hatred but he gives the Saddleback science-denier Obama a pass because he’s a lefty extremist (just like Steve).

C.L.

25 May 12 at 11:13 am
Gab, SoB’s avatar is the original direction seeking, question kite flying duck of Leunig fame.

It is? I thought it was something I doodled on my iPad.

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 11:14 am
Who said anyone really thinks Obama is showing the best sort of leadership on climate change?

He is, on the other hand, facing the nutty anti-science Left on the issue, and has limited options.

FIFY, little fellah.

Tom

25 May 12 at 11:16 am
Wait staff and shop-owners?And exactly how will this be policed? More “carbon cops”?

What about patrons at the establishments? Are they also verboten to remark in a dissenting manner about Gillard’s carbon dioxide tax? Will they be fined too?

Gillard’s lost the plot.

Gab

25 May 12 at 11:18 am
Say anything communist imbecile Bob Katter: Campbell Newman a “worker basher.”

FEDERAL MP Bob Katter has branded the Queensland premier an “employee basher” for warning striking coalminers they are putting the state’s economy at risk.

Mr Katter will fly to the Bowen Basin on Friday to join a picket line amid a week-long strike that has halted production at six mines run by BHP-Mitsubishi Alliance (BMA).

He says Premier Campbell Newman revealed his true colours on Thursday when he told mine workers cash-strapped Queensland would suffer under the weight of ongoing industrial action.

“The new premier is an employee basher, a worker basher,” Mr Katter told AAP.

“He’s there to look after the corporate interests of his bankrollers, people such as Clive Palmer. He will find out that people don’t react well to that.”

He said Queensland would be left with little more than holes in the ground once foreign mining companies, and Australian mining companies that were fronts for foreign money, were done with the state.

The picket line at the Bowen Basin mine is the latest move in an 18-month dispute over working conditions.

Mr Katter said war must be waged against the escalating use of fly-in, fly-out workers in Australian mines.

He said the model was a ruse aimed at limiting opportunities for workers to get together to discuss workplace problems.

“One mining executive said to me … this is all about workers spending their days off mowing the lawn instead of going down to the pub and saying what a bastard the boss is,” he said.

No mining executive said that. FIFO exists because workers don’t want to live in these mine-town shit-holes and back in the days when they did, unions made so many demands they became too expensive to maintain.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 11:20 am
Gab, do consider whether the reporting is accurate, and not a journalistic beat up.

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 11:27 am
Steve, do actually read what is verboten on the gov’s website and get back to me, you commie-loving misanthrope.

Gab

25 May 12 at 11:33 am
Steve, why didn’t Obama implement cap ‘n trade when he controlled everything?

Go!

C.L.

25 May 12 at 11:35 am
you commie-loving misanthrope

He thinks that’s a compliment, Gab. “See, they FEAR me,” he’ll tell his inner circle of sycophants over a Pimms and lemonade at the Shemales’ Club tonight.

Tom

25 May 12 at 11:41 am
Katter has always been a bit of an Agrarian Socialist, but I get the impression he’s taken a humungous lurch further Left over the last year.

And Steve? Leunig wants royalties for your use of his direction finding duck. Shall I tell him his cheque is in the mail?

Winston SMITH

25 May 12 at 11:41 am
It is, obviously, not a duck.

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 11:47 am
Wow. Victorian Age lives again. Corsets make a major comeback.

Marks & Spencer’s new stomach-cinching range, Waist Sculpt, was launched to such mass approval that one is now sold every three minutes. Its appeal lies in garments that pull the waist in, like a corset, but without the pain and breathing difficulties.

The model has a lovely figure, as is.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 11:50 am
It is, obviously, not a duck.

But, it produces much quackery

JamesK

25 May 12 at 11:51 am
Winston

Cowboy hat has taken this position because he sees an opening for his party in view that labor is basically finished in QLD for the next 15 20 years.

Moron he is.

Jc

25 May 12 at 11:52 am
Tom, has anyone mentioned before that you display the same intellectual capacity as your avatar? Just wondering…

Stepford.

You think you should be criticizing anyone’s avatar.

Wait till tiny sees what you’ve said.

Moron.

Jc

25 May 12 at 11:57 am
Katter has seen that all his future votes are coming from the Labor party in the next 5 years and not the LNP. Expect more of this claptrap from him, as well as a lot of protectionist nonsense.

Newman is going to have a dream political run for a while. An opposition run by a forgettable woman while they are stuffed into on old office tower a full city block away from parliament house. A crazy old coot called Katter as a figurehead for a party that doesn’t know what it is, and a federal Labor party that will leave a bitter aftertaste in the public for at least two election cycles.

If he doesn’t really screw up somewhere I reckon he’ll rival Joh for longevity stakes. By the time he throws it in he’ll scarcely be able to remember the days when there was an $80 billion debt and people were running around scared of the sky falling in.

brc

25 May 12 at 12:08 pm
Turd polishing fuaxfax lemmings continue hurtling towards that cliff, ‘shareholders‘ express frustration…

Rabz

25 May 12 at 12:22 pm
Newman would be well advised to flog the message at every opportunity about the perils of debt and the desirability of living within your means. If Labor ever gets up off the floor, it will resume behaving like one of the innumerate Pacific islands tribes that treat national (and state) treasuries as booty to be divided up among the winners without spending limits. I believe public revulsion against everything that Labor now stands for will last decades, but welfare dependency is a very strong drug and the habit is extremely hard to kick. Even Howard was dabbling in the end. It’s an Australian disease; convicts and black fellahs have no work ethic and yearn for an easy life. Anti-competitive business scams were also entrenched here by the early 1800s.

Tom

25 May 12 at 12:32 pm
Mrs Magoo’s advice to passengers on the SS Titanic.

Which will sink first – Gillard or Fairfax?

H B Bear

25 May 12 at 12:41 pm
Katter has seen that all his future votes are coming from the Labor party in the next 5 years and not the LNP

Yes, I think he’s moving to the left in hopes of picking over the carcass of ALP. We’ll soon see if it works without annuying too many existing followers.

He’s certainly played his hand better than Oakeshott amd Windsor. Unlike them, Katter will still be around, and will be leader of a new party with a senator or two… Pity he’s such a dick.

Fleeced

25 May 12 at 12:44 pm
God knows what the miners make of Katter. That bulbous nosed fruit has never worked a day in his whole life. His hands would be softer than tissue paper.

Infidel Tiger

25 May 12 at 12:47 pm
‘moving to the left’

His political hero was “Red Ted” the former Qld Labor premier.

His father was a Labor man. He has been a consistent supporter of trade unionism and critic of ‘economic rationalism’.

You people have been deluded by Katter because he mouthed a few words about over-regulation of campsites.

jtfsoon

25 May 12 at 12:51 pm
BuzzFeed unearths interesting old Democratic Socialists of America flyer.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 12:54 pm
His hands would be softer than tissue paper.

Says the man who moisturises daily.

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 12:55 pm
It’s funny that Pauline Hanson copped so much grief compared to Katter. Next to him she’s a classical liberal.

After 30 years in Parliament the stupid prick still has no idea about the standing orders. One might hazard a guess that he’s the product of inbreeding.

Infidel Tiger

25 May 12 at 12:56 pm
His political hero was “Red Ted” the former Qld Labor premier.

His father was a Labor man. He has been a consistent supporter of trade unionism and critic of ‘economic rationalism’.

I wouldn’t say he fooled me as much as I just never paid that much attention to him. He’s an obvious nitwit, and has always been pro-protection – but a lot of Nat members are, so I didn’t think much of it.

Fleeced

25 May 12 at 12:56 pm
His father was a Labor man. He has been a consistent supporter of trade unionism and critic of ‘economic rationalism’.

Yep – he is a Hansonist without some of Pauline’s personal shortcomings. Deserves no support from anyone who supports free markets.

He’s certainly played his hand better than Oakeshott amd Windsor

Yep. Oakeshott and Windsor tied themselves to the ALP mast and will go down with the ship. Katter – unfortunately – will live to sail another day, all without having to wed himself to the LNP or bring down the government. He has proved himself a much more astute politician than the gruesome twosome …

Matt

25 May 12 at 12:57 pm
Says the man who moisturises daily.

Yes, but my hands are rougher than a lesbian cat’s tongue.

Infidel Tiger

25 May 12 at 12:57 pm
Gillard abolishes presumption of innocence.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 1:00 pm
Michelle Grattan writes:

The PM believes that once July 1, the start of the carbon tax, is past, people will see that the world hasn’t collapsed and eventually opinion will change. Wayne Swan sees July 1 as a “game changer”.

Wanna bet?

Tom

25 May 12 at 1:04 pm
Buzz: David Petraeus as Mitt Veep.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 1:07 pm
Regarding that embarrassing, idiotic inbred agrarian socialist clown katter, the LNP need to get tough at the next feral election.

They need to stress the following messages very clearly to the voters in katterville:

katter will have zero influence in the next parliament, so all pork will cease.

Elect an LNP candidate and any legitimate interests of the electorate will be duly considered.

katter is as big a moron as those two clowns windbore and oakeshitt. Like them, he thoroughly deserves to be consigned to electoral oblivion.

Rabz

25 May 12 at 1:18 pm
Stepford

Keith biffra finished?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/300877/climategate-continues-andrew-montford

Jc　

25 May 12 at 1:21 pm
The PM believes that once July 1, the start of the carbon tax, is past, people will see that the world hasn’t collapsed and eventually opinion will change. Wayne Swan sees July 1 as a “game changer”.

Such is Gillard’s contempt for the electorate. She really does believe we are mugs.

Gab

25 May 12 at 1:21 pm
She’s shocking pol

No instincts

Jc　

25 May 12 at 1:23 pm
Gillard and the love media – Oakes, Coorey, Grattan, Tingle have called more false dawns on this hopeless government than Rudd’s Today Show ANZAC ceremonies.

H B Bear

25 May 12 at 1:39 pm
She’s shocking pol

JC is showing how well red hE is agin.

Look at Newspole before taiping!!!

HomerP

25 May 12 at 1:44 pm
Phil Coorey is the worst.

The slaps ought to just stick him on the payroll.

Jc　

25 May 12 at 1:48 pm
Since Gina is supposedly the richest woman in the world – as all the papers breathlessly stipulate with every mention of her – lets look at the other rich women trailing in Gina’s wake and hope the media sledges them too for the audacity of building businesses, providing employment and not paying 47 times the tax other people pay. (Because we know the rich use public services 47 times more than poor folk, except for millionaire/billionaire movie stars and politicians).

http://www.therichest.org/celebnetworth/lists/rich/women-in-america/

Gab

25 May 12 at 1:49 pm
fantastic news. Costco announces massive expansion.

That’ll be a real head scratcher for lefties. They hate Woolies and Coles, but they probably imagined thousands of farmers markets would destroy them.

Infidel Tiger

25 May 12 at 1:51 pm
That bulbous nosed fruit has never worked a day in his whole life.

Katter is as cunning as a shithouse rat the same way Jo Bjelke-Petersen was, IT. JBP was also more than 1/32 Cherokee socialist. Katter is a Labor populist who thinks Keating’s reforms sold out Australia; he is instinctively very partial to Hansonism in the same way Howard was before he became PM.

Tom

25 May 12 at 1:54 pm
~~No man left behind…~~

Obama accused of abandoning Pakistani doctor who led Navy SEALs to bin Laden.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 2:06 pm
It is, obviously, not a duck.

It’s more like this penguin or chicken shit escapee from Labor’s sheltered workshop of shattered dreams.

Splatacrobat

25 May 12 at 2:12 pm
Do you have something against farmer’s markets, IT?

I find them a good source of cheap veges and herbs (and sometimes meat and fish), and unusual smallgoods you can’t get elsewhere.

Finish it off with a good German sausage with sauerkraut on a nice roll and it makes for a good Saturday.

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 2:14 pm
The dodo features in my sex education video which my son still declines to view.

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 2:18 pm
The dodo features in my sex education video which my son still declines to view.

Too much information you sick, sick man

jtfsoon

25 May 12 at 2:22 pm
He’s entitled to the presumption of innocence, says Gillard.

ALP to open nominations for Thomson’s seat.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 2:23 pm
Cl
The slapper and the Kenyan need some clean air in order for them to get their message across.

The bald idiot, Phil Coorey is always talking about clean air.

Jc　

25 May 12 at 2:31 pm
Step

Those poor kids. Those poor poor kids.

Jc　

25 May 12 at 2:32 pm
If Labor ever gets up off the floor, it will resume behaving like one of the innumerate Pacific islands tribes that treat national (and state) treasuries as booty to be divided up among the winners without spending limits.

The only similarity that Labor voters have to island tribes is that of worshiping cargo cult ecconomics .

Splatacrobat

25 May 12 at 2:33 pm
Maybe I should have gone with a puppet show…

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 2:35 pm
The bald idiot, Phil Coorey is always talking about clean air.

The Slapper will never get clean air whilst she continues to blow it out of her arse.

Splatacrobat

25 May 12 at 2:35 pm
Do you have something against farmer’s markets, IT?

I do actually. Unlike mostcommercial operations who have jump through more hoops than a trained seal, these “community” events seem to be able to set up with little or no problem. This wouldn’t bother me except that they take business from other hard working people who have no choice but to wade through the mountains of regulations and bureaucracy dreamed up by the fascist turds who inhabit local councils and state planning boards.

I suspect they are also frequented by perverts, lesbians and people who don’t eat meat.

Infidel Tiger

25 May 12 at 2:41 pm
Those poor kids. Those poor poor kids.

Remember that Steve discouraged his kids from attending Little Athletics because it inconveninced him. He also takes his kids on holiday to Tasmania and Pinkenba.

Infidel Tiger

25 May 12 at 2:43 pm
I had no idea Yamal was still doing the rounds.

It flies over most peoples heads, I think, but the take away story is that it’s safe to assume that any paleo reconstruction by ‘the team’ is completely fabricated.

Sure is going to be a crappy twilight years for Briffa, Mann, Jones & co. All because, like Thomson, they were so arrogant they thought they could be as sloppy as they like in their lies, and nobody would ever question them. They thought they were untouchable.

Life sucks for an older disgraced academic, especially when all the money taps in government get permanently welded shut. Sucks to be them, but they should have tried the truth instead.

brc

25 May 12 at 2:44 pm
Lame.

He appears to be in thrall to his very own personality cult. What a peculiar character.

Oh come on

25 May 12 at 2:46 pm
Tasmania is lovely…

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 2:59 pm
Bring on Katter is all I can say. I’d love him to be the face of the opposition in QLD. He can further discredit his own ideas.

Alex Pundit

25 May 12 at 3:00 pm
Yes, brc. I suppose Yamal explains why the recent multi-proxy Australian temperature reconstruction also shows a hockey-stick-ish temperature increase too.

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 3:04 pm
I suspect they are also frequented by perverts, lesbians and people who don’t eat meat.

Farmers’ markets are a hippie copout for whiny pinko shemales like Steve, who want to donate takings to incense sellers whose talent doesn’t run beyond running their little lemonade stands. The real serious shit is long-established in Melb and Adelaide (don’t know how good Paddy’s etc is in Syd): produce markets where you deal with growers’ produce via wholesale markets and small specialist retailers. Vic Market, Prahran Market, Adelaide Market etc have sensationally high quality at half the price of the supermarket gangsters, while “farmers’ markets” deliver poor quality crap that’s not especially cheap, in my experience. Australia’s evil supermarket duopoly needs to be smashed, but not with feelgood farmers’ markets. They require competition, competition, competition, but next to no-one in local, state or federal politics – Lib, Lab or other -understands the first thing about effective competition policy. Instead they invented the ACCC, but have made sure it’s a eunuch and doesn’t have the power or the resources to demand effective marketplace competition, so that politicians can continue to be bought and sold by the highest bidder.

Tom

25 May 12 at 3:07 pm
The Victoria Markets were sensational. Not sure how good they are these days.

Infidel Tiger

25 May 12 at 3:10 pm
Farmers Markets in Brisbane suburbs are organised by one or two operators, and have feature cheap and good quality veges stalls, often run by Vietnamese I think.

Brisbane badly needs a permanent one like Melbourne or Adelaide’s: I thought there was talk of setting one up in the re-developed Exhibition Grounds in the Valley, but I am not sure when that will happen.

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 3:13 pm
It is, obviously, not a duck.

Oh come on SoB, I finally say something nice about you, and you disagree with me.
It’s obviously a duck.
Flying a kite with a question mark on it.
A direction finding duck that doesn’t know where it’s going.

Leunig still wants his money, steve.

Winston SMITH

25 May 12 at 3:15 pm
I bought free range pork from Kelvin Grove market 2 weeks ago, ‘cos I remember Les (as Tillman?) raving about free range pig tasting very different from your run of the mill pork. Still just tasted like pork to me. (And roasting pork is still kinda tricky, I find.)

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 3:16 pm
The Victoria Markets were sensational.

They’ve stopped selling squirrel meat since you were there last, IT.

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 3:19 pm
I am hoping to buy a side of grass fed beef direct from the farm gate soon. Just need to organise a deep freeze.

Infidel Tiger

25 May 12 at 3:28 pm
I wonder wot liar-the-duck thinks of the 40% of Dems who are proving themselves to be waaaaycists by voting against Obummer in the primaries?

JamesK

25 May 12 at 3:29 pm
IT, by ‘Victoria Markets’ do you mean the Queen Victoria market? Agree that that’s the best value for money and quality – absolutely craps on Coles and Woolies.

Though you’re a bit harsh on farmer’s markets, I don’t begrudge them, and sometimes frequent the Collingwood one. Possibly a few lesbians and vegetarians there, not sure about perverts, but apart from the odd anti-GM flyer, not particularly leftwing. Some of the prices are a bit high, but others are good value, and if the farmers are clever enough to charge a price the Northcote and Fitzroy hipsters are willing to pay then good on ‘em.

If they’re free from goverment interference then so much the better – Collingwood actually has a stand selling raw milk (for ‘cosmetic purposes’, not human consumption) – if Coles tried that they’s be shut down. Rather than restricting their freedom we should look at extending the same freedom to other operators.

papachango

25 May 12 at 3:34 pm
Workchoices Abbott style…

[watch from 30sec in]

Nanuestalker

25 May 12 at 3:38 pm
Rocklea markets, Steve.
Personally all the Brisbane farmers markets seem to have developed a Westfield lite approach with seeming franchises of bread, sausage, polish pastry and curry puff chains.
They are a con.

Entropy

25 May 12 at 3:40 pm
Oh and farmers’ markets have plenty of meat vendors – not just pork and beef but things like rabbit and venison, so not so much a vegan drum cricle.

Though I’m always amused by the wymmins’ East Timorese choir, singing traditional tunes from Timor Leste and raising funds for a school over there or something.

Friendly, older ladies who sing well, but they could have maybe found at least one East Timoese singer; they’re all whiter than Elizabeth ‘Fauxcahontas’ Warren

papachango

25 May 12 at 3:43 pm
Rather than restricting their freedom we should look at extending the same freedom to other operators

Should be one rule for all or nothing.

The fact that Steve from brisbane attends these markets should be a gigantic warning sign.

Infidel Tiger

25 May 12 at 3:44 pm
John Bolton kicking the Guardian readership in da nuts: A new era of fiscal responsibility: the free lunch is finished

With the G8 paralysed by the eurozone crisis, we must trust US voters will reject Obama’s version of Old Europe-style statism

Several EU leaders believe that disciplining Greece by expelling it from the eurozone will chasten other troubled EU economies, with overall EU stability quickly following Greece’s departure. Iceland, for example, shows that devaluation can be precisely the medicine necessary for a major economic correction. Although painful short-term, Greece leaving the euro may prove more palatable than years of social turmoil by Greeks unwilling to abandon pursuit of a free lunch.

But this is simply wishful thinking. Greece is just one element of a larger problem across the entire EU. In France, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands and even Germany, recent elections or the inability to form governments have reflected rising voter discontent with policies of fiscal austerity – the painful, German-budget approach to saving the euro. In fact, political turmoil in Europe has reached incendiary levels, even before fiscal restraints have really begun to bite. Imagine how tumultuous things could become when austerity measures actually take effect.

The answer to austerity, however, is not what its opponents like President Barack Obama and some G8 leaders suggest. When they speak of promoting growth, they are not advocating increased private-sector activity: more investment creating new wealth by adding value to material inputs, thereby generating more jobs and growing prosperity. Quite the opposite: they want to expand already enormous government sectors through even greater public spending. “Growth” to social democrats means growth in government’s size and reach, not growth in the real economy.

JamesK

25 May 12 at 3:49 pm
Old union racism is always just beneath the surface:

Whose side are we on, asks union boss, as ALP approves migrant workforce for Gina Rinehart.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 3:49 pm
Freshcitrusdirect.com.au is a small family company in Loxton, SA, that delivers GUARANTEED fresh citrus anywhere in Oz for less than supermarket prices INCLUDING postage. Order by Sunday night for Monday dispatch and delivery during the week. Currently $1.80/kg for citrus (new season’s Navels, lemons etc) plus a flat $20 for Aust Post delivery per order. So I’m getting 15kgs today for $47 – just over $3/kg. The Arnold family get up to six times more margin this way rather than getting screwed by SMs for 30c/kg etc. The quality is sensational, but it’s seasonal (May-Oct). I’ve just ordered my first 2012 batch (it’s my second year). I’m a farmer’s son and swear by this arrangement. I refuse to eat SM citrus, which has been kept in a coolstore for up to 4 months before it is sold. Stale, tasteless junk sold by c-bombs who couldn’t give an f-bomb.

Tom

25 May 12 at 3:51 pm
Vic Market, Prahran Market, Adelaide Market etc have sensationally high quality at half the price of the supermarket gangsters

Vic market yes, but not Prahran. Prahran has taken advantage of the pink dollar, being smack bang in the affluent gay Commercial Road precinct, and is good quality, but charges simply ludicrous prices. Aldi a couple of doors down is much cheaper but lacks the range.

papachango

25 May 12 at 3:55 pm
Jeez, that is great value for lemons. Coles were selling them for a buck each at one stage recently.

Infidel Tiger

25 May 12 at 3:58 pm
Whose side are we on, asks union boss,

Well in WW2 you chose the Nazis and the Commies. In Vietnam you chose the commies. So history suggests you’re on the enemy’s side.

Infidel Tiger

25 May 12 at 4:00 pm
Anyone else having probs with the RSS feed?

Mine’s broken for some reason.

Capitalist Piggy

25 May 12 at 4:05 pm
For goodness’ sake. Steve, stop breaking all the equipment at the Cat.

Gab

25 May 12 at 4:07 pm
but not Prahran. Prahran has taken advantage of the pink dollar, being smack bang in the affluent gay Commercial Road precinct, and is good quality, but charges simply ludicrous prices.

Really… Wifey shops there. Got to tell to go somewhere cheaper then.

JC

25 May 12 at 4:10 pm
I nearly got some free range pork the other night from the Walkabout Creek Pub, but the Child Bride gave me a slapping and made me put her back down…

Winston SMITH

25 May 12 at 4:17 pm
Papa, JC: sad to hear Prahran has gone over the top pricewise. Try South Melb (my ex-local a long time ago; visited recently; still good), Vic market or Preston (beaut working-class prices, OK quality – it’s sis’s local). I’m 100kms out of Melb on the beach, so I’m getting done blind by Coles,Woolies and IG-fucking-A.

Tom

25 May 12 at 4:18 pm
I doubt there would be much call for free range pork at the Lakemba markets.

Splatacrobat

25 May 12 at 4:20 pm
Everyone should, of course, have their own lemon tree in their yard.

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 4:21 pm
Tom

The good thing about her shopping there is that I rarely ever start a piece of fruit or crap and gag because it’s flowery or totally tasteless. Always top notch stuff.

I might not say anything.

The seafood is also from there and it’s great quality and never had a problem with it. There’s nothing worse than when seafood is right on the edge.

JC

25 May 12 at 4:23 pm
I’m 100kms out of Melb on the beach,

Lucky Tom. Melb is freezing, extremely windy and bucketing rain.

Gab

25 May 12 at 4:23 pm
Melb is freezing, extremely windy and bucketing rain.

Look on the bright side, Gab. But for global warming, we’d be frozen solid.

Sinclair Davidson

25 May 12 at 4:24 pm
You need a permit to prune it, steve. Not worth the hassle.

Winston SMITH

25 May 12 at 4:25 pm
Men need to pee on the roots of the lemon tree. Apparently it’s good for it. Or so a an old bushman told me.

Gab

25 May 12 at 4:26 pm
I’m getting done blind by Coles,Woolies and IG-fucking-A.

IGA are the worst.

Infidel Tiger

25 May 12 at 4:27 pm
IMO, there’s no better market in the world for price and quality than Adelaide. Your missus has good instincts, JC: life’s too short for shit quality. I’d still bet Prahran is way cheaper than SMs.

Tom

25 May 12 at 4:28 pm
Les the racist kiddie

No, you are way off the mark there. That’s silly. I never said any such thing.

Comment: Yeah, sure. Seriously, you racist little troll, do you even read what you write? Or does the stench of the liquid excrement you pen repel even yourself?

But since the decision has been made to revisit this topic, I should point out that the person who has complained most loudly and shrilly about “waaaaaycism” is of course Rabz, who tells us that there is so much “waaaaaycism” in the US that he has sworn never to go back.

Comment: That’s it? That’s your response? Something already thoroughly debunked as you used standard leftard trick #3 and mis-cast Rabz’s words?

Of course, 49, you bitch and moan about “waaaaaycism” quite a bit too. You use some variation of the word “racist” in probably most of your comments.

Comment: When one smacks a leftard like you upside the head, a racist squeals. The great bulk of you leftards have so internalised the soft racism of low expectations that you don’t even notice it. Many other (like you) have so internalised hard racism that you don’t even notice it.

But you also bitch and moan about other strange things.

Comment: This’ll be good!

You have complained about how difficult it is to have a frank and detailed public discussion of the mechanics of homosexual intercourse.

Comment: One has to be amused at lefty projection. This is how you interpret comments on the strategy of the homosexual lobby over the last 40 years? Amazing projection of your internal desires there. Cannot you at least have the basic decorum to keep the panting and drooling of your intense excitement over matters shirtlifting to yourself and your partner’s boudoir?

You have complained about “bed-wetters” who would protest your free and liberal use of the word “n*gger”.

Comment: oooh, poor Les the racist kiddie, has my use of the insult ‘bedwetters of the apocalypse’ to describe leftards like you, AGW charlatans, greenfilth and left-wing warmists offended you?

Dry your eyes, princess while I call the waaaahmbulance for your poor precious ego.

Hmmm.

…who would protest your free and liberal use of the word “n*gger”.

Let’s see what was actually said, shall we?

It’s a source of much amusement to me, watching les the racist kiddie caper and gambol about the Cat. He’s a self-confessed troll and one of modest quality – perhaps 10% on the Margo scale.

His invincible ignorance, juvenile nature, lack of comprehension, hypocrisy and smugness seem to indicate that the end of leftist influence can be forecast. If this is the best they have, they are in trouble. I also like his complete lack of situational awareness and context he pretends to. The classic case here is his hysterical objection to use of the term ‘paleosiminan’ when I use it to describe terrorists/terrorist organisations.

Racistkiddie’s thesis is that as various loons on hate sites (which he seems to know a disturbing amount about) use the term as one of racist abuse, then any use of the term must be racist abuse.

This is the oldest, and simplest fallacy in logic. Here’s how to prove this observation correct:

Premise 1: If A = B, Premise2: and B = C Logical connection: Then (apply principle of equivalence) Conclusion: A = C

In order for an argument to be considered valid the logical form of the argument must work – must be valid. A valid argument is one in which, if the premises are true, then the conclusion must be true also. However, if one or more premise is false then a valid logical argument may still lead to a false conclusion.

Now examine racistkiddie’s premises:

Premise 1: term ‘paleosimian’=a racist term (A=B)

and

Premise 2: use of a racist term = user is a racist (B=C)

Conclusion: any use of term ‘paleosimian’ = user is a racist (A=C)

Let us now use the rules of logic and examine racistkiddie’s premises.

Premise 1. This premise is false. How can a term (one word) be racist in and of itself?

Let us examine this issue. The most well known racist term is the word ‘nigger’ (A=B). By racistkiddie’s ‘argument’, any use of this term must mean one is a racist (B=C). Yet, Frederick Douglass, in his excellent ‘Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass: An American Slave ’, contains the following sentence: “”Now,” said he, “if you teach that nigger (speaking of myself) how to read, there would be no keeping him. It would forever unfit him to be a slave.”

According to racistkiddie’s ‘argument’, Frederick Douglass was a racist! (A=C) Frederick Douglass!

This is ridiculous on its face. Racist kiddie’s Premise 1 is therefore false. Therefore his ‘argument’ is false and anyone can easily prove that for themselves. (Sorry, Daddy Dave, he sucked you in rather badly, but he’s a troll and they do that)

So, what does makes the use of that or any word offensive? Continuing this example, if one turns to Professor Randall Kennedy’s book ‘Nigger: The Strange Career of a Troublesome Word’ (2002), it quickly becomes clear that the answer lies in the context in which it is used. This is true of every word, of course.

So I can certainly use the dreaded N word freely and clearly, without hint of any offence to anyone (except racistkiddie and similar trolls and bedwetters). Here is an example: “Last night I finished reading Conrad’s allegory about loneliness, his 1898 novella ‘The Nigger of the Narcissus’ “ or “When he was a slave, Frederick Douglass said his owner referred to him in the following manner “…that nigger (speaking of myself)…”

Even the lowest and most ingrained racist like Les will be hard pressed to impute adverse motives in these examples.

Therefore, using the term ‘paleosimian’ to describe terrorists places it outside any possible racial context, just as using the term ‘barbarian’ would also be outside any possible racial context if so used.

The context counts – and there is no ‘race’ of terrorists. There is also no ‘race’ of Palestinians either, there’s now people in the land renamed by Titus Flavius Caesar Vespasianus Augustus ‘Palestina’ (Latin for Philistia) of Jewish faith (there is no ‘race’ of Jews now, it’s a religion), Arab Christians, Arab Muslims, Arab Druze, Samaritans, Turkic people of all sort of religious affiliation, Caucasians, South Asian peoples of all sorts of religion affiliation, mostly Catholic ethnic Malays and peoples of various African extractions of all sorts of religious affiliation.

It’s arguable that use of the term Palestinian as referring solely to Arab muslims living only in Gaza and the West bank is itself racist.

What this example does, aside from destroy racistkiddie’s risible thesis, is illustrate something about racistkiddie himself.

What he is doing here is viewing the issue through a racial lens. It’s about race, in his view.

Kindly note that fact.

That is the reason I dub him racistkiddie. What do we call someone who argues their view on a racial focus? Why, we call such a person ‘a racist’.

Ladies and gentlemen, you’ve been trolled by dear little Les, who is much, much less a human being than he pretends to be.

Thank you for placing your pathetic and juvenile mendacity so clearly on public display. As well as your ignorant inability to comprehend the basic lesson in civil discourse I gave you.

And of course you have railed at length about the “Paleosimians”, which is your abusive word for “Palestinians”.

Comment: This risible point is thoroughly demolished both above and repeatedly elsewhere. Despite your weeks of desperate searching, you were finally reduced to out-of-context cherrypicking in the most pathetic of efforts to make it. Here is an example of my using it: “Were the paleosimian Sendero Luminoso terrorists a gang before they started to finance themselves with cocaine? (30 Mar 12 at 10:29 pm)” Peruvian, ‘palestinian’, geography is not your strong point, is it, child? Neither’s history, logic, grammar, common sense, truth, fairness, or even a basic willingness not to demean your fellow man due to the colour of his skin……

So really you are quite a complainer. And not just about “waaaaaycism”, which you claim to see everywhere.

Comment: Everywhere you post, certainly, you pathetic racist left wing troll.

Mk50 of Brisbane

25 May 12 at 4:28 pm
Winston, that sounds like a triple entendre you just typed…

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25 May 12 at 4:28 pm
Farmers markets and stuff like that, that is slightly related to the ‘vironmental movement needs to be banned with the utmost prejudice. Don’t give those fuckers any room and treat them like shit such as not offering them permits.

After the left’s attempt to Finkelstien everyone they deserve to be treated with the utmost contempt and revulsion. All roads lead back to Finkelstien as far as I’m concerned.

Stepford says:

Tasmania is lovely…

It’s like a pilgrimage to the Haj with you asshats visiting that welfare infested shitlhole.

What do you do there step, visit mad dog Bob’s log cabin.

Moron.

JC

25 May 12 at 4:28 pm
Got to tell to go somewhere cheaper then.

FFS, you’re a wealthy and successful trader. don’t be such a cheapskate

jtfsoon

25 May 12 at 4:29 pm
Sinclair, I’m in the middle of Queensland, and still wearing Uggs. It’s bloody freezing, 13 degrees FFS!
Think I’ll take the Patrol to the pub this evening – all of 200 meters away.

Winston SMITH

25 May 12 at 4:29 pm
It’s bloody freezing, 13 degrees FFS!

Heatwave by comparison.

Gab

25 May 12 at 4:32 pm
FFS, you’re a wealthy and successful trader. don’t be such a cheapskate

I went back on it. She’s allowed to go there, jase. It’s fine with me. I was just a little worried that the ‘vironmentals had taken over, but it doesn’t appear to be the case.

JC

25 May 12 at 4:32 pm
JC,

Buy off them if they have good gear. If they get in your face, then open the libertarian bible and start expounding, as GMB would say “home truthz”.

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25 May 12 at 4:32 pm
You wear ugg boot’s Winston?

Dude.

JC

25 May 12 at 4:33 pm
You noticed eh, Dot?

Couldn’t resist it.

Hurr Hurr Hurr…

Winston SMITH

25 May 12 at 4:35 pm
JC, you must have missed my Tasmanian holiday snaps. I liked the penguins.

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 4:40 pm
If you like to get out of the city at the weekend enjoy a drive down the Mornington Peninsula you can’t beat the farm gates especially within Red Hill-Flinders-Rosebud triangle. Peninsula Bulk Meats is a must if in the Rosebud area.

Nanuestalker

25 May 12 at 4:40 pm
Buy off them if they have good gear. If they get in your face, then open the libertarian bible and start expounding, as GMB would say “home truthz”.

Dot, I don’t do soap boxes. Just smoke the fuckers out by not exchanging money for their crappy organic shit they peddle to the unsuspecting innocents.

Since Finkelstien, I gone fully retarded Fisk. Punishment needs to be meeted out and lesson learnt for a decade.

Hey Dot.

what did you think of my idea of banning the left from ever talking about economics unless it comes from Mises, Hayek or the Chicago boys. It’s perfectly legitimate if you think about it.

If Bolt can be taken to court for exposing people like Elizabeth Pocohantas Warren was. If there are racial hate and discrimination laws our side is perfectly in its rights to ban all talk of stimulus and welfare spending etc…. With jail sentences. Phil Coorey could end up getting life without parole. Fair is fair.

JC

25 May 12 at 4:40 pm
I’d still bet Prahran is way cheaper than SMs.

Can’t really compare as they don’t sell the same product. SM tomatoes and Prahram market tomatoes are chalk and cheese. But Prahran is bloody exy, Vic Market half to a third the price for veggies at least, and comprable quality.

Where Prahran really sting you is deli goods. Great cheeses but $120 a kilo? You’re kidding me…

papachango

25 May 12 at 4:41 pm
They’ll all be gaol soon enough, given how fucked Williamson is…give them a chance to repent for their souls.

.

25 May 12 at 4:42 pm
Cool and pouring here in Brisbane too, Sinc.

Curse that glowball warmenating!

Mk50 of Brisbane

25 May 12 at 4:43 pm
Only when it’s cold JC. Like below 20c.
And it’s well below 20 at the moment.
I could put the heater on to warm the office, but all those carbonicles would form daggers and fall off the roof or something and pierce Gaia. Or something.

What am I saying!?
Click.
Click.
There – the office and the treatment room will be as warm as toast in a jiffy. Just like a good Carbon Monster Denialist would have them.

All right, I’m a sook, but I’ve got gout for the first time ever and if I keep the foot warm, it eases the pain.

Winston SMITH

25 May 12 at 4:44 pm
JC, you must have missed my Tasmanian holiday snaps. I liked the penguins.

yea I did miss them Stepford. That’s a good thing , right, or I would have left a rude comment on your site.

The only thing I like about penguins is when there’s a huge dirty great big white pointer or a seal chasing the flightless little fuckers in the water you see on TV at times.

JC

25 May 12 at 4:46 pm
Hey Gab, have you been to Steve’s blog?

Dodopathy
Yes, they are meant to be dodos…

Hahahahahaha!!!

Tom

25 May 12 at 4:49 pm
Hey Winston, did you have a good Empire Day yesterday?

Mk50 of Brisbane

25 May 12 at 4:52 pm
Talking about tubby flightless little fuckers getting devoured… where’s Monster these days. He’s been really quiet and non-annoying.

I guess he’s busy fixing up the appearance of that ugly website.

JC

25 May 12 at 4:53 pm
Visited ages ago, Tom, but have not been back since. Tiny Dancer used to leave comments. He was always the highlight at that place.

Gab

25 May 12 at 4:53 pm
Gout? You poor bugger. I prescribe several large tumblers of Barbados rum.

Mk50 of Brisbane

25 May 12 at 4:56 pm
Tiny Dancer used to leave comments. He was always the highlight at that place.

that’s one of the reasons I used to visit too Gab. That and leaving abusive messages. However now that he’s banned Tiny, it’s not worth going over there.

JC

25 May 12 at 4:58 pm
I thought as an experiment I’d test the resolve of greenies to their cause. I visited a green infestested market and canvassed interest for a stall selling recycled telephone books converted into toilet paper sheets. When I did my research and polled the target market all the tree huggers thought that wiping their arse on the yellow pages would a bridge too far. The irony was lost on them when I pointed out they would be wiping their arses with the names and addresses of all the capitalist exploiters that they despise.

They all went back to texting on their Iphones and mumbling something about child labor so I left.

Splatacrobat

25 May 12 at 4:58 pm
I like the foodie gear but $120/kg for cheese…

Art for art’s sake

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25 May 12 at 5:02 pm
Tom 3:51pm

Freshcitrusdirect.com.au is a small family company </blockquote

That's the future for Ag and the weapon to fight the duopoly.
Thousands of farmers in competition for our dollars.
Coles and Wollies will have to screw the Philippineos harder on there disease riddled bananas.

Oh, and has Emerson released the details of the "free trade" deal with the Malaysians yet, hope he's a good negotiator, he's in China now thrashing out another one.

A win-win for all concerned I'm sure.

Jumpnmcar

25 May 12 at 5:07 pm
Dot there are plenty of delis that do good cheese at better prices. Even the vastly superior imported French stuff should be no more than $90/kg for Roquefort or Brie de Meaux – less for good goats cheese etc

papachango

25 May 12 at 5:12 pm
Coles and Wollies will have to screw the Philippineos harder on there disease riddled bananas.

Don’t be ridiculous. Bananas from the Philippines are in massive demand worldwide because they are better than ours and cheaper. Same story with Kiwi Apples. If they were diseased they wouldn’t be able to sell them.

Infidel Tiger

25 May 12 at 5:16 pm
Yeah. Gout. First time ever. The pain is described as ‘exquisite’. For twelve bloody days. And I’d been seconded to Bedourie to keep the clinic open because both girls there had gone crook – one seriously so. So couldn’t take anything strong, what a prick of a fortnight.
And apparently you are NOT allowed to drink fortified spirits, red wine, or port. As well as eat prawns. So who do I see outside Cloncurry the day I gets back? The bloody mobile fish bloke.
God hates me. And loves letting me know.
And no. I had no idea Empire Day was on – it just slipped my mind.

Winston Smith

25 May 12 at 5:20 pm
Fuck Mr Integrity is despicable. He buys 63 newspapers on the cheap and….

Buffett Says Free News Unsustainable, May Add More Papers

never said this before of course.

Warren Buffett, whose Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (BRK/A) struck a deal this month to acquire 63 newspapers, said he may buy more publications as the industry rethinks whether to offer free content on the Internet.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-24/buffett-says-free-news-unsustainable-may-add-more-papers.html

JC

25 May 12 at 5:22 pm
Didn’t monty get banned the other day?

Winston Smith

25 May 12 at 5:23 pm
Yea he did. Lol

JC

25 May 12 at 5:24 pm
Why do I find this picture perfectly normal and about what I would expect?

JC

25 May 12 at 5:25 pm
I’m certain he did especially with the blue dress and all.

JC

25 May 12 at 5:27 pm
Marvel gay wedding illustrations are out.

I wonder if Jason is pleased.

I suppose Sheldon would be impressed, at least.

steve from brisbane

25 May 12 at 5:27 pm
LOL Yamal is a one-tree series, hopeless science and advocacy.

Excuse trotted out : Look over there! Another hockey stick! That totally excuses the gross cherry picking from the team.

I assume dodgy statistics on any paleo. It’s the new rule with which to analyse. If they call themselves a climate scientist, assume they’re lying until they can prove otherwise. Call it ‘Thommos Law’ : anyone producing data or information for the socialist cause is lying until facts prove otherwise.

brc

25 May 12 at 5:39 pm
Wow

From Instapundit if you haven’t seen it yet:

The EPA runs its own Special Agents !?

Is there a branch of the US government that hasn’t been armed and turned into a parallel police force ?

Myrrdin Seren

25 May 12 at 5:41 pm
Myrrdin, when I was in the US last year, I heard on the radio that the Dept of Education busted in to someone’s house with it’s own SWAT Team. So the answer to your question appears to be no. Even the Federal Reserve has one apparently.

Alex Pundit

25 May 12 at 5:44 pm
Thanks Alex

You reminded me of this earlier one from PJ Media:

Most people expect agencies like the FBI to be well armed for law enforcement purposes. But the Railroad Retirement Board ?

The RRB indeed !

Myrrdin Seren

25 May 12 at 5:52 pm
JC – don’t be jealous.

Sinclair Davidson

25 May 12 at 5:57 pm
lol

JC

25 May 12 at 5:57 pm
We need this but many will think it is a waste of money or a travesty against Gaia. Twits, we need to explore these new technologies because weather control is a future requirement irrespective of AGW or whatever. But of course, if you believe we humans are so puny we cannot influence the climate then of course it is a waste of time. If you believe such nonsense though you’re wrong.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v485/n7399/full/485415a.html

A charter for geoengineering

A controversial field trial of technology to mitigate climate change has been cancelled, but research continues. A robust governance framework is sorely needed to prevent further setbacks.

John H.

25 May 12 at 6:16 pm
Bicarb soda for gout, Winston – and get onto it quick, the longer you let your bouts go, the worse it gets.

Cheers

Helen Armstrong

25 May 12 at 6:18 pm
nilk

You’ve lost your equilibrium.

Be afraid, Peter. More Catholics are embracing the traditions and especially the Latin. The demographics are changing, with a lot more younger people at my church than there were even a year ago, and the demand for the Latin is increasing.

You want to spit bile at my observations about recent changes and the influence of Roman Catholics. I have identified that these are real occurrences. Your spray repeats my very own observations, but with great excitement, approval, and hope.

You say:

We are getting an Ordinariate here in Australia, which wouldn’t be happening if there weren’t a demand for it, and there are plenty of Anglicans who are not happy with the direction their church has taken.

I commented on this weeks ago.

So, you are basically agreeing with me 100% about the shifting sands of papist influence in our polity. You even say we should be “afraid”. So why are you so anxious and fearful of my pointing out what even you argue is the bleeding obvious?

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 6:21 pm
hoping to buy a side of grass fed beef direct from the farmer

You can have one from me, IT, after Ludwig they are not worth much. A buck 20 for a fat heifer, a buck for a cow (per kg of course) a buck for bulls and no market really for steers. Quoted yesterday.

Helen Armstrong

25 May 12 at 6:30 pm
JohnH

How important is this going forward?

Human Stem Cells Grow In Heart Muscle

JC

25 May 12 at 6:33 pm
Peter, what do you reckon about the hate speech at that anti Jew march the other day.

I was somewhat comforted by the looks of scepticism on some faces – but should this sort of speech go unchallenged? Or if we ignore it, it will go away?

Helen Armstrong

25 May 12 at 6:36 pm
What happened to m0nty?

Oh come on

25 May 12 at 6:39 pm
Helen

I recognize your nic as only a recent arrival (corret me if I am wrong). But before your time, trust me, I was very, very, VERY vocal about the anti-Semitism of international socialists, and even the luvvie left. I was even more vocal about the nutty just-so-wrong victim historiography of the Nakba. I have posted up hill and down dale on how Islam was born as – and remains – a discursive and theological Guide to Imperialism. I’m done on that topic for now.

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 6:41 pm
What happened to m0nty?

Too much food, too little exercise.

Jumpnmcar

25 May 12 at 6:42 pm
He got booted for insufferable misbehavior/leftwing brain spasm and being an idiot one too many times.

I’m sure he’ll be back when he shows contriteness and offers a general apology to the site management and the readership. Well not sure, as I dunno. Just guessing.

JC

25 May 12 at 6:43 pm
Seriously. What did he do to get sinbinned?

Oh come on

25 May 12 at 6:44 pm
What happened to m0nty?

A butterfingered midwife.

Jumpnmcar

25 May 12 at 6:44 pm
Ah, one too many straws, eh? They sure did pile up.

Oh come on

25 May 12 at 6:45 pm
m0nty and steve will back after the weekend.

Sinclair Davidson

25 May 12 at 6:46 pm
OCO

No kidding he was an insufferable lunatic on a thread. He really went kamikaze on that one and fell head first into a boot.

I don’t want to talk about the specific reasons as it still causes me great pain and discomfort over his behavior. In a right wing Finkelstien world he would have been imprisoned and left with combat rations, which to him would be like a death sentence.

JC

25 May 12 at 6:48 pm
m0nty claims to work on weekends, so who knows. And Steve is still alive and kicking…

Oh come on

25 May 12 at 6:48 pm
m0nty and steve will back after the weekend.

They’ve allways been after the ~~week~~ weak end.

Jumpnmcar

25 May 12 at 6:51 pm
Those two young ladies with Bill look like they might be a lot more fun than Hilary.

Mother Hubbard's Dog

25 May 12 at 6:52 pm
There are three young ladies in the photos.

Sinclair Davidson

25 May 12 at 6:53 pm
I must need new glasses.

Mother Hubbard's Dog

25 May 12 at 6:54 pm
The third young lady is unnamed and cut out of some of the photos.

Sinclair Davidson

25 May 12 at 6:56 pm
For the first time scientists have succeeded in taking skin cells from heart failure patients and reprogramming them to transform into healthy, new heart muscle cells that are capable of integrating with existing heart tissue.

I think you’re out of luck JC as you’d need some semblance of a heart to begin with.

Nanuestalker

25 May 12 at 7:01 pm
JohnH

How important is this going forward?

Would be much more important if stem cell technology wasn’t severely hampered by those who regard it as evil. China is making great strides. Repairing the heart with this technology is feasible, but claims about stem cells for neurodegenerative diseases are mostly wishful thinking.

The stuff is vital, there are already trials for vision enhancement via retinal implants that show some promise. We’re at least a decade away before stem cell technology becomes widespread clinically and it can make a huge difference.

This is the key …

I think we need a legal environment that allows a more aggressive approach to human trials.

That is not going to happen in the USA or many other countries, it has been happening in China, with near zero success by desperate people seeking desperate solutions. If we can’t move to human trials with the appropriate legal provisions we’re stuffed.

The researchers think we are still 5-10 years away from clinical trials of this approach. I think shows how the regulatory and legal environment causes an excessively conservative and slow approach to development of revolutionary therapies.

Yeah, as I thought, at least a decade away. Also, be advised, animal models are lousy predictors of human trials. There is so much we don’t understand. Eg. there is a revolution happening genetics that most are not seeing but it is clearly there. If we are going to keep making progress down this road we will have to abandon the old genetic determinism, and construct new ways of understanding all this. The bods are doing that. Good on ém, pay them more and keep them happy.

And remember the Big Nasty here, what they rarely mention in the news releases: stem cells are often engineered with oncogenes and hence increase cancer risk(teratomas). Recent breakthroughs may have overcome this but it remains a major problem.

John H.

25 May 12 at 7:04 pm
Barrie Cassidy lends a Labor hand to Shagger Thompson:

How has it come to this? How is it that the media can now judge the guilt or innocence of a citizen? What has happened to the respect we once all shared for the rule of law?”

Hey Bazza, FTFY:

“How has it come to this? How is it that the media can now selectively ignore the guilt or innocence of a clearly corrupt politician? What has happened to the union members money that Craig stole for shagging and to fund his election?”

Abu Chowdah

25 May 12 at 7:04 pm
Oh shit I just read ..

Crucially, this reprogramming cocktail did not include a transcription factor called c-Myc, which has been used for creating stem cells but which is a known cancer-causing gene.

Great, very important.

John H.

25 May 12 at 7:04 pm
Abu

CL nicley dealt with old leather face’s faux outrage up thread, I think…. the insincere douchebag he is.

Cassidy was on Keating’s staff. That alpha of decorum and gentleness.

JC

25 May 12 at 7:17 pm
Thanks JohnH

JC

25 May 12 at 7:17 pm
JohnH

How important is this going forward?

Would be much more important if stem cell technology wasn’t severely hampered by those who regard it as evil.

What utter bs.

The problem if there ever was one was clearly ‘solved’ in this instance

JohnH

How important is this going forward?

Human Stem Cells Grow In Heart Muscle

Hundreds of research units all over the world have been working on this for the last dozen years, JC.

It has huge implications for the treatment of heart failure and so transplant requirement and also in due course the treatment after moderate to severe heart attacks where significant heart muscle has been lost.

Prior to this the treatmebtr of heart attacks was the trewatjent and prevention of complications and in the last 25 years the early re-opening of the blood vessel whose blockage was the cause of the heart attack..

Now the prospect of replacing the lost heart tissue will be on the agenda.

It is huge news.

Why are you asking a pseudo-scientist the significance of medical research?

JamesK

25 May 12 at 7:30 pm
CL

Protestant nations had direct and profound interests in the outcome but contributed nothing, leaving the whole shooting match to Pope Pius. Horrible cowardice.

Actually, Elizabeth I provided support – diplomatic and material – to the Ottomans. And why wouldn’t she? The papacy was our real enemy. Bessie knew this well. After all, she was fluent in Greek, so was well aware of the corruption, illegitimacy, and effeminacy of the papacy. Her subsequent bitchslapping of the papist n’er-do-well Spaniards freed humanity to begin the greatest expansion of prosperity, liberty, knowledge, and felicity that we have ever known.

Thanks Bessie.

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 7:42 pm
And what did popery give humanity in return?

1. “The Sacred Congregation of the Index” – the second Holy War of its Index Librorum Prohibitorum. It’s enemies? You name them. Copernicus, Kepler, Descartes, Locke………………

2. And then, the papists gave us humanity’s most faggy thinking ever – baroque architecture!

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 7:49 pm
It is huge news.

Why are you asking a pseudo-scientist the significance of medical research?

Not huge James, there are like reports all the time. It would be huge if it were done on humans. If animal trials constituted huge news, many diseases would already be cured.

There is far too much hype around medical research which leads people to have unrealistic expectations. There is not a week that goes by without some group claiming some major breakthrough. I suggest you read some recent analyses of the problematic nature of so much published research. This is a HUGE creeping problem that casts a shadow over all who claim to have made a big breakthrough.

John H.

25 May 12 at 7:49 pm
It would be huge if it were done on humans.

Don’t be assinine JohnH.

Before permission is approved for human trials (actually the easy part be3cause they are using the patient’s own cloned cells) researchers would have to be able to grow healthy heart cells from a potential patient’s own DNA- something that since the race started some 12 tears ago no group has accomplished until now.

I quote from the report:

“For the first time scientists have succeeded in taking skin cells from heart failure patients and reprogramming them to transform into healthy, new heart muscle cells that are capable of integrating with existing heart tissue.”

What part of that is no big deal exactly, JohnH?

You talk pseudoscientific shite on this board on a repetitive basis and I’m tired of it.

JamesK

25 May 12 at 8:03 pm
What part of that is no big deal exactly, JohnH?

James, they have been reprogramming cells for years now. It might be HUGE news to you but it is now a long established procedure. Whoopee do, they made some heart cells, a month ago they took some skin cells and made neurons. Whoopee do, what happens in the lab is a world away from what can happen in the clinic.

John H.

25 May 12 at 8:07 pm
For those who insist that the solution is infrastructure spending

Spain is to partially close 30 of the nation’s 47 state-run airports in an attempt to reduce the costs of its “white elephants” built throughout the nation during the boom years.

Some of the airports have no scheduled flights yet are fully staffed and operational in what has come to symbolise the reckless public spending projects that have left Spain crippled with debt.

boy on a bike

25 May 12 at 8:14 pm
Boyt

They’re trying that shit here, with a second airport in Sydney when 48% of the slots are being used now and the newer fleet of planes being introduced are 40% quieter.

Obviously the Liars Party would be attempting to create work for the unions.

JC

25 May 12 at 8:18 pm
Hundreds of research units all over the world have been working on this for the last dozen years, JC.

I thought JohnH is a micro-biologist or something like that.

JC

25 May 12 at 8:19 pm
It might be HUGE news to you but it is now a long established procedure.

Predictably you double down on stupid, JohnH.

Heart muscle cells like brain cells don’t replicate.

They’ve grown neurones with the DNA of quadriplegics to cure spinal cord traumatic paralysis as well have they?

JamesK

25 May 12 at 8:22 pm
roasting pork is still kinda tricky, I find.

One Sunday morning about 20 years ago, I got up at 4am in Tahiti, drove to a waterfall about 30kms from Papeete for a swim, then went to the main Papeete market and had THE best local organic pork shaslicks I’ve ever tasted. I remember it vividly because I started driving on the left in my relaxed state after the swim and nearly killed an oncoming tourist.

Tom

25 May 12 at 8:31 pm
They’ve grown neurones with the DNA of quadriplegics to cure spinal cord traumatic paralysis as well have they?

They have been trying that in CHina for years without success even though animal trials showed great promise. It will happen eventually but we are faced with many challenges here.

Blah, blah, post mitotic eat my shorts what’s your point? BTW, one fascinating idea about Alz is that neurons are “attempting” to escape the GO phase of the cell cycle. Heart and neurons are examples of cells in the GO phase but not quiescent. Weird.

They have “cured” various neurodegenerative diseases in animal models, they have restored cognition in animals with the Ab-142 human gene, they have cured MS in the EAE model, they have killed cancer cells any number of times in the lab. Just starting points, very important but not a cure.

One of the most puzzling features of stem cells is that all other things being equal they will differentiate into different cell types depending on the geometry of the scaffolding into which they are placed.

John H.

25 May 12 at 8:45 pm
John, are you still running your blog these days?

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 8:48 pm
Real farmers sell their produce to supermarkets. “Farmer’s markets” sell produce from people who farm as their hobby.

Growing a few dozen apple trees in your backyard doesn’t make you a farmer.

Yobbo

25 May 12 at 8:49 pm
JamesK, if brain cells replicated there wouldn’t be Alzheimers would there?

what a terrible terrible curse that disease is, not just for the person but their family too.

candy

25 May 12 at 8:49 pm
In fact it’s a fair bet that a decent amount of the people you find selling produce at “farmer’s markets” are only planting anything to hide the cannabis plants which is where the bulk of their income comes from.

Yobbo

25 May 12 at 8:51 pm
Peter is still saying “we” – Australia – were involved in the religious wars of the sixteenth century.

And Jesus was half Greek.

But yes, Europe was saved by Pius V and the Holy League. The protestant nations did nothing.

Just like the 1980s when the protestant WCC took money from the KGB and backed the Soviets.

Fast forward to 2012 and the Catholic Church launches the largest action for liberty in American history against Obamacare’s fascist provisions (introduced by a protestant president).

Needless to say, the protestant churches have bailed.

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John, I rather hoped you might walk back or even admit to an episode of brain flatulence re your comment on science and religion. Science as you know it wouldn’t exist without the Catholic Church.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 8:53 pm
I’m not sure Candy.

Nobody knows if the amyloid-like plaques are cause or effect.

But certainly stroke patients could theoretically return to normal function if neurones replicated

JamesK

25 May 12 at 8:55 pm
CL

1. Who said anything about ‘Australia’?

2. You say Jesus was “half-Greek”!!? ROFLMAO. Oh this should be good. Please explain to us your sources for Jesus’ cosmopolitan genealogy.

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 8:57 pm
Or if they manage grow neurones from the DNA in the patients own skin cells which if you’re an ignoramus like JohnH is no biggie.

JamesK

25 May 12 at 8:58 pm
Let’s hope Bill Clinton’s aim has improved. Last time he spent some time with a young girl in a blue dress things didn’t go so smoothly.

H B Bear

25 May 12 at 9:02 pm
Gab, I’ve just come back to Bogan Central North after dropping offspring and other miscreants off down the Peninsula for the weekend.

It’s a dreadful night to be out, and I’m glad to be home. I can’t believe the morons on the road, and that includes the two bus drivers who turned against on-coming traffic – one in Dandenong against traffic lights.

At least there were fewer than anticipated, but still hairy at times.

nilk

25 May 12 at 9:03 pm
John, are you still running your blog these days?

Not much, I was doing some reading on cancer but freakin’ hell that is a huge challenge where yet again all sorts of people claiming cures and animals models where the cancers were killed. Good progress at the clinical front but a very long way to go. In fact David Baltimore, one of the world’s leaders in the field, has asserted that we will probably always be fighting against cancers because the cells are so bloody adaptable. It will be interesting to see if Susan Lindquist’s ideas regarding hsp90 as an “evolutionary capacitor” bear fruit in cancer studies. 10 years ago Big Pharma laughed at her idea, now they are creating hsp90 inhibitors … .

Nobody knows if the amyloid-like plaques are cause or effect.

Yep, for how long did we assume that was the cause? That was once HUGE news. Now they are looking at soluble amyloid. There is a very good update site on this research. See:
http://www.alzforum.org/

There you will see a number of hypotheses being entertained(so FU Kuhn).
—

I don’t think there is a “final common pathway” for dementias. All roads can lead to hell ….

John H.

25 May 12 at 9:08 pm
Jamie Wearing Fools ought comment at the Cat as he’s as cynical of the leftards as the best cynics here.

I’m thinking maybe the Unabomber should have updated his Harvard profile to say he was part Cherokee, just to bust balls.

Jsmie asks:

I wonder if he mentioned what his favorite book is?

Yep.. if you guessed Earth in the Balance you guessed right.

The link comparing the murderer’s manifesto and Al Gore’s book is seriously creepy as they sound pretty similar.

http://www.crm114.com/algore/quiz.html

Good question:

If Kaczynski was a “rightwing extremist” instead of a leftist, would Harvard update his profile? Just wondering.

Of course Harvard was forced to carry this murderers bilge because… wait for it.. they could be sued by him.

So let me get this right, the university with perhaps the best law school in the country if not the world is worried about being sued by a bombmaking murdering piece of shit. I’ve heard it all now.

She said she thinks that if Harvard did not publish Kaczynski’s information, he would have tried to sue the school for excluding it.

http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/ted-kaczynski-updates-his-harvard-profile/

JC

25 May 12 at 9:09 pm
Peter, before skulking off after the last beating I gave you, you referred to “we” – as in ‘we were against the papacy’ – and, supra, you talk about “our” enemy at the time.

I’m duty-bound to inform you that the Commonwealth of Australia didn’t exist in the 1500s.

Or are you saying that the Aborigines sent a canoe to intercept the Spanish Armada?

You say Jesus was “half-Greek”!!?

No, you did.

By the way, you didn’t answer my question: are you really a “misogynistic old queen” (qua Jason Soon)?

Why don’t you tell us more about your banning under your previous moniker. Tell us about the things your wrote about women victims of sexual assault etc.

C.L.

25 May 12 at 9:09 pm
And what did popery give humanity in return?

Science.

P.S. I ought to thank you. I’d lost this little beauty during a change of computers and have in the past worn my fingers down trying to find it again and just stumbled across it this evening.

dover_beach

25 May 12 at 9:09 pm
Think I’ll take the Patrol to the pub this evening – all of 200 meters away.

Considering I drove the the pizza place about 250m away this evening for a quick takeaway lasagne, I’m the last person to bag you for it.

nilk

25 May 12 at 9:11 pm
one in Dandenong

Godawful place. Best avoided, nilk, if you can. Driving in the torrential rain today was terrible mainly due to other drivers who do not realise these conditions call for different driving techniques.

When your offspring get to driving age, I can highly recommend defensive driver training. It’s amazing how much one can learn from the training – even after years of experience on the roads.

The level 2 was a blast. The things they get you to do with a car at 80kph, on a wet track, going around a sharp bend! Woohoo. Excellent training though as well as lots of fun. (I don’t believe level 2 is available to newly-minted drivers though).

Gab

25 May 12 at 9:13 pm
James,

Let me give it to you straight.

You might be an excellent doctor who understands a lot of the specialised areas of medical research but MOST doctors know FUCK ALL about medical research.

I have a friend who is considering medicine. His friend, a third party who has recently been admitted as a surgeon (working locum in remote areas for little hours on a good income) told him as a warning that “most of what doctors believe in is bullshit and most of them don’t even know this” “don’t know why they base things on x or y” “don’t understand medical research”.

Please don’t take offence to John. He is not a pseudoscientist.

.

25 May 12 at 9:14 pm
Gab

You realize that you don’t have insurance if you crash your car on a track. Did you use your car in that course?

JC

25 May 12 at 9:15 pm
Company car, JC. Plus I never crashed anyway – I’m too good. I was the star that day

Gab

25 May 12 at 9:16 pm
I’ve referenced that book here on a couple of occasions d-b.

What’s clear from the book is that the fact is uncontroversial in history of science intellectual circles.

The Gallileo story was atypical and made out to be way more significant and malevolent than the fact.

Hannam just saw his duty was to dissolve the misconception peddled by radical secularists that poison modern university life.

JamesK

25 May 12 at 9:19 pm
In all seriousness, JC you’d have to be quite terrible driver to crash your car on the course. The trainers won’t let anyone on the track if they can see they’re not capable of handling a car on the track. The fun stuff happens on the level 2 course, you have to get through level one first.

Gab

25 May 12 at 9:20 pm
CL

I’m duty-bound to inform you that the Commonwealth of Australia didn’t exist in the 1500s.

In which case, what do we have to be grateful for to some 16th century Pope. let alone the RC Church?

You say Jesus was “half-Greek”!!?

No, you did.

Here we go again. Last week, you went on and on and on about how TWO WEEKS AGO you introduced Chi-Rho to catallaxy. Must we go thru all this again? WHY do you find it so effortless to lie, and so unrelentlessly? You really are a moral wasteland. Thank god, no woman need ever fear your satanic seed.

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 9:20 pm
Oh good Cab , as long as it wasn’t your car then.

JC

25 May 12 at 9:21 pm
I can’t believe that Patton thinks Cromwell winning was good. It wasn’t good for anyone! His regime ended, after he killed a lot of people in England and Wales, Scotland and Ireland.

A better end of the civil war would have been the policies of the Irish Confederates adopted throughout with an Anglican Charles II on the throne as a minor with a regency council from all Kingdoms, with eventual reduction of the separate autonomous bodies into principalities federated under an Imperial British King.

.

25 May 12 at 9:21 pm
Please don’t take offence to John. He is not a pseudoscientist.

dot please fuck off.

You perennially feel the need to insert yourself into conversations about which – truly – you know fuck all.

JamesK

25 May 12 at 9:21 pm
You truly know fuck all about medical research. John is not a pseudoscientist. That is all.

.

25 May 12 at 9:23 pm
ladies please

if you’re going to use handbags then remove the brick inside it.

JC

25 May 12 at 9:25 pm
“I’m not sure Candy.

Nobody knows if the amyloid-like plaques are cause or effect.”

i understand Alzheimer’s is hereditary too?

bit like schizophenia? – although the medications control that i guess and Alzheimers just progresses on.

who knows what’s really happening with the brain!

candy

25 May 12 at 9:26 pm
JC -
Insurance companies offer discounts to new drivers who undergo a defensive driving courses.

Nanuestalker

25 May 12 at 9:29 pm
You truly know fuck all about medical research

You are a breathtaking fuckwit at times dot.

Follow Wittgenstein’s dictum and be silent upon that of which you are ignorant.

Most people have self control and generally shut up of their own accord when uncertain and especially when thoroughly ignorant (like you).

Practically all or if not absolutely all specialists have published medical research.

It’s pretty well a prerequisite for a clinical job.

JamesK

25 May 12 at 9:30 pm
Nanu

From what i know, insurance doesn’t cover any car that’s on a track.

I don’t know if defensive driving courses are exempted, but it seems improbable to me. Perhaps I’m wrong on DD courses, however a track crash isn’t covered.

JC

25 May 12 at 9:32 pm
who knows what’s really happening with the brain!

Good point.

JamesK

25 May 12 at 9:33 pm
bit like schizophenia? – although the medications control that i guess and Alzheimers just progresses on.

Ha, just moments ago I emailed to friends some material highlighting that sugar is a big issue here. In fact glycogen accumulation in neurons is even claimed to be an early step in many neurodegenerative diseases. The simple truth is that glycogen and glucose should be nowhere near neurons, so for some reason GSK-3 is being elevated in neurons leading to glycogen accumulation.

Schizophrenics have much lowered GSK-3 and very low incidence of dementia.

Watch the sugar!

Genetics – only early onset AD is applicable. The rest is whistling in the dark.

John H.

25 May 12 at 9:33 pm
dot

Not really sure where I posted anything about Cromwell.

db

Sometimes I wish we had never had that discussion about ‘natural law’, coz it made me snuff out of you that you were a RC, without you ever admitting it upfront. Now, I find it hard not to to regard your posts with the same cynicism one must think of CL’s.

Above, I applauded the legacy of Elizabeth I during the Battle of Lepanto, and asked rhetorically what popery gave us. I then answered it. Yet your own respsose completely excises my crucial response, just as CL quote-doctors everybody. Again, it must be the RC upbringing.

I will repeat what you so stunningly avoided.

And what did popery give humanity in return?

1. “The Sacred Congregation of the Index” – the second Holy War of its Index Librorum Prohibitorum. It’s enemies? You name them. Copernicus, Kepler, Descartes, Locke………………

2. And then, the papists gave us humanity’s most faggy thinking ever – baroque architecture!

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 9:35 pm
Practically all or if not absolutely all specialists have published medical research.

Bullshit. Where’s the fucking evidence?

Follow Wittgenstein’s dictum and be silent upon that of which you are ignorant.

Noticeably you have never said WHY John H is a crank. All you do is smear him at EVERY FUCKING OPPORTUNITY, with no reason or recourse.

Most people have self control and generally shut up of their own accord when uncertain and especially when thoroughly ignorant (like you)

Wouldn’t happen if you played fair and told us WHY you think John H is a crank.

I take it from now you’ll shut your fucking trap about anything outside of surgery or medicine.

.

25 May 12 at 9:35 pm
Splatacrobat, are you the Splatterbottom on other blogs?

“Science as you know it wouldn’t exist without the Catholic Church.”

LOL

Jarrah

25 May 12 at 9:40 pm
JamesK: “Heart muscle cells like brain cells don’t replicate.”
I think you mean ‘reproduce’, JamesK, but anyway chew on this.

The conventional thinking that humans could not grow new brain cells was based on the lack of scientific evidence: no one would choose to cut open the brain of a living person to prove it. But 30 years ago, a Purdue University neurobiologist, Dr. Joseph Altman, first reported cell birth in the hippocampus of adult rats. Because of the strength of the thinking of the day his work was ignored. Then in the 1980′s Dr. Fernando Nottlebohm at Rockefeller found that, in the brains of adult birds that learned new songs, new cells were being created.

Adam Kane

25 May 12 at 9:41 pm
Practically all or if not absolutely all specialists have published medical research.

It’s pretty well a prerequisite for a clinical job.

Virtually all of that research is crap, specifically because it’s a job requirement. They’ll publish any old shit and cut a lot of corners to have a ‘publishable’ study.

Adam Kane

25 May 12 at 9:43 pm
Wikipedia is about your level Adam:

“The cell cycle, or cell-division cycle, is the series of events that take place in a cell leading to its division and duplication (replication)”

JamesK

25 May 12 at 9:45 pm
The problem with James K is that he is a stark raving Roman Catholic. If I found out my GP was one, I’d change doctors immediately. Shouldn’t they have to hang a sign out the front warning folks?

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 9:45 pm
Unless an individual has done the six years or so MBBS followed by intern and years of registrar and then a specialist such as James K – i’m not sure that those who have not done that are really qualifed for an opinion on such a complex subject, you know.

candy

25 May 12 at 9:46 pm
stark raving Roman Catholic. If I found out my GP was one, I’d change doctors immediately.

You’re a Bigot, stuck in the 1960′s.

Gab

25 May 12 at 9:47 pm
And you’re a Roman Catholic stuck in the 1560s!

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 9:48 pm
Hey guys.
There are human beings watching the march of science here. Humans who have a big investment in the progress of this field.
As someone who got a virus three years ago and now has an EF of 23%, (You either know or you don’t) in an otherwise bloody healthy body, I’d appreciate you just sticking to the facts. Please keep the anger at a professional level.
I don’t want the child bride to spend the next twenty years as a widow, OK?

Winston Smith

25 May 12 at 9:48 pm
Virtually all of that research is crap, specifically because it’s a job requirement. They’ll publish any old shit and cut a lot of corners to have a ‘publishable’ study.

Please provide some evidence that specialists and specialists trainees produce “crap” in the journals like the NEJM or Journal of Cardiovascular Medicine Adam, you nincompoop?

There must be some iota of an idea floating in ur thick skull that you’ve made an ass of yourself Adam (presumably yet again).

Right?

JamesK

25 May 12 at 9:50 pm
And you’re a Roman Catholic stuck in the 1560s!

oooh, meow.

LOL

Gab

25 May 12 at 9:50 pm
Oh, for Christs sake.
PP is back on the Papist bandwagon again.
I’m going to bed.
Night all.

Winston Smith

25 May 12 at 9:50 pm
In which case, what do we have to be grateful for to some 16th century Pope. let alone the RC Church?

So you’re saying we can’t be grateful for things that happened before we were born?

So Remembrance Day should be abolished?

Good God, you’re an imbo.

You still didn’t answer my question: are you really a “misogynistic old queen” (qua Jason Soon)?

Why don’t you tell us more about your banning under your previous moniker? Tell us about the things you wrote about women victims of sexual assault etc.

Tell us how much the sluts wanted it.

Remember, you revolting old fag?

C.L.

25 May 12 at 9:51 pm
did you smoke Winston?

candy

25 May 12 at 9:51 pm
nic as only a recent arrival

true, six months or so, Peter and my question was genuine, but I understand if you don’t want to talk about it. Another day maybe. You have been battling now it seems for days. I don’t want to fight so much on this site as to learn, and you seem to know a lot about religion, but sometimes I slip up. Self – more discipline!

Goodnight. Early start in the AM (3.00 AM)

Helen Armstrong

25 May 12 at 9:51 pm
Winston, YOU are RC, Gab is a RC, James is a RC….You do the math.

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 9:52 pm
The cell cycle, or cell-division cycle, is the series of events that take place in a cell leading to its division and duplication (replication)”

nice dodge. Doesn’t change the fact that you were wrong.

Adam Kane

25 May 12 at 9:52 pm
The problem with James K is that he is a stark raving Roman Catholic. If I found out my GP was one, I’d change doctors immediately. Shouldn’t they have to hang a sign out the front warning folks?

The problem with Peter is that he’s not merely a fool but a nasty fool.

I’m not religious Peter as I’ve previously said.

I identify as a catholic only in the cultural sense but I strongly support the Church’s and Her good works.

JamesK

25 May 12 at 9:53 pm
Helen

If you’d only got here 18 months ago, or so, I would have had the energy and motivation to engage with you for hours on end. Maybe next week?

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 9:53 pm
In other words, you are the quintessence of a stark, raving Roman Catholic.

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 9:55 pm
Please provide some evidence that specialists and specialists trainees produce “crap” in the journals like the NEJM or Journal of Cardiovascular Medicine Adam, you nincompoop?

Oh right, so thousands of suburban specialists are getting published in NEJM as part of their “job requirement?” I think they’re shooting a little lower than that, JamesK.

Nice try though.

Adam Kane

25 May 12 at 9:55 pm
Winston, YOU are RC, Gab is a RC, James is a RC….You do the math.

So? So what? And what has math’s to do with it all?

Amazing, you’re the one that consistently brings up Catholicism in a disparaging manner. It’s like you want to belong to the club but just can’t quite work out how. And then ypu go on a stupid rampage.

You’re quite weird. Perhaps something happened to you? Did you get hurt by a Catholic?

Gab

25 May 12 at 9:56 pm
The exchange above reminds me…

[Catallaxy:] Fight Club for nerds

-Jason Soon 7/11/2006

Nanuestalker

25 May 12 at 9:56 pm
nice dodge. Doesn’t change the fact that you were wrong.

Another fvcwit.

Methinks thney may be replicating on this thread.

Wot’s it like to be so utterly mentally incompetent combined with deep emotional burning hatred Adam?

JamesK

25 May 12 at 9:56 pm
Oh right, so thousands of suburban specialists are getting published in NEJM as part of their “job requirement?” I think they’re shooting a little lower than that, JamesK.

Nice try though.

Fvck wme what a ‘tard Adam is.

It’s not difficult.

If a specialist is not published in prominent medical/surgical journals in his area of expertise he likely won’t get a job.

If you have evisdence to the contrary provide it you nasty slandering thoroughly ignorant git

JamesK

25 May 12 at 10:01 pm
Winston, YOU are RC, Gab is a RC, James is a RC….You do the math.

Rabz will soon be RC (again) at this rate…

FFS.

Fascinating discussion, BTW.

Pete, Your comment about Catholic GPs is staggering in its arrogance and unfounded assumptions.

And CL, I’m glad you’ve been researching and elaborating here about Lepanto.

Rabz

25 May 12 at 10:01 pm
Methinks thney may be replicating on this thread.

JamesK, a simple question. Can neurons multiply/reproduce/replicate?

Adam Kane

25 May 12 at 10:03 pm
The Ultimate Dark Horse

By James Taranto
Nobody is challenging Obama in the primaries–and doing surprisingly well.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304707604577424401681188544.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion

JC

25 May 12 at 10:04 pm
If a specialist is not published in prominent medical/surgical journals in his area of expertise he likely won’t get a job.

and if you think they’re all noble, Aristotelian lovers of truth who are publishing because they care about science and want to contribute to the greater body of human knowledge, then you’ve got rocks in your head.

Adam Kane

25 May 12 at 10:05 pm
Man up and play the ball James K.

Why do you react so convulsively when John H posts something about medical science?

.

25 May 12 at 10:06 pm
who doesn’t love the Mass – the incense, the candles, the Holy water, genuflection, Communion, it’s very stylish and colourful.

but it’s all one God and no matter what religion you feel a vibe with only one God.

(except scientology).

candy

25 May 12 at 10:07 pm
So Adam gets challenged to put up or shut up and does predictably, for the nasty bigoted fuvckwit he is, neither.

JamesK

25 May 12 at 10:07 pm
Ah, god love it. Sistah Mary, Mary Quite Contrary confesses all.

It’s like you want to belong to the club but just can’t quite work out how.

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 10:08 pm
JamesK, a simple question. Can neurons multiply/reproduce/replicate?

Hoe did the brain and nerves develop Adam?

Does thinking hurt for you Adam?

JamesK

25 May 12 at 10:09 pm
If the Catholics here were preaching on and on, day in, day out, about Catholicism – raving as you do, Peter – then I’d say you have cause. But you don’t as you always, always, initiate it.

Without fail, regardless of the topic at hand.

It’s you who just harps on and on about it. Harp, harp, harp, harp, harp. Go join an orchestra and be of use.

Gab

25 May 12 at 10:09 pm
CL recruited ‘Gab’ from their “Club”. You do the math!

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 10:09 pm
Just so I’m clear. How many separate stoushes are going on here at the moment?

JC

25 May 12 at 10:10 pm
The conventional thinking that humans could not grow new brain cells was based on the lack of scientific evidence:

Correct Adam, SVZ and DG are the two principle areas of neurogenesis in the primate brain and remarkably these neurons can migrate to the neocortex. (Remarkable because of the distance travelled). The DG is just below the hippocampus and research indicates that learning is heavily dependent on these neural precursors transforming into neurons, though it is estimated up to half die before that happens.

I had always assumed the olfactory bulb was another area of neurogenesis, certainly true in many other species but a report released this week stated in humans this does not happen.

These zones have stem cells that create the neurons but there is tantalising evidence that some glial cells can transform into neurons post maturation.

Oh James, you know I’m an atheist and I know religious people are especially distrustful of atheists(no hope for the wicked eh?). I couldn’t care less about your religious affiliation but you sure do care about my atheism. That is your problem. You hate people him, good little christian that you are. It is a sad co-incidence because I largely confine my Cat time to Friday nights but it appears you are particularly cranky on said nights. You abuse, I inform, who is the crank?

PS: I do have great respect for the medical community and most medicos I encounter treat me with respect. That you don’t is your problem, not make it mine or others on this forum.

Virtually all of that research is crap, specifically because it’s a job requirement. They’ll publish any old shit and cut a lot of corners to have a ‘publishable’ study.

Right again, latest update:

http://www.nature.com/news/beware-the-creeping-cracks-of-bias-1.10600

Evidence is mounting that research is riddled with systematic errors. Left unchecked, this could erode public trust, warns Daniel Sarewitz.

—

Which is precisely why I call for a much more measured approach to interpreting the latest research news.

John H.

25 May 12 at 10:11 pm
You’re still a bigoted old fool, Peter. At least you’ve got that to keep you warm.

Gab

25 May 12 at 10:11 pm
I couldn’t care less about your religious affiliation

So whose religious affiliations do you care about JohnH?

Everyone else’s but mine apparently.

There are intelligent and thoughtful atheists who are good scientists JohnH.

You are not one of them.

Leave the strawman alone.

JamesK

25 May 12 at 10:15 pm
Gab

Are you denying that you were recruited to start posting here through CL’s Stark Raving Roman Catholic “club”? That you are his sister (he probably has 27 of them), or carer, or share similar popish relationship?

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 10:15 pm
So Adam gets challenged to put up or shut up and does predictably, for the nasty bigoted fuvckwit he is, neither.

let me break it down for you.
JamesK, can neurons reproduce (“replicate” if you prefer)? You were wrong about that, but chose to hide behind my comment about “reproduce” being a better word.

Let’s sort out this little matter, then we can move on to your other fantasies.

Adam Kane

25 May 12 at 10:17 pm
Some very astute bloggers said you were just a CL sockpuppet. The evidence was overwhelming, but I couldn’t believe CL was up to the operational challenges involved – two computers in mhis mum’s garage, constantly having to jump between them.

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 10:17 pm
Which is precisely why I call for a much more measured approach to interpreting the latest research news.

I think the Cat should nominate JohnH as the next editor of ‘Nature’.

He’s such a thoughtful humble scientist

JamesK

25 May 12 at 10:17 pm
Hoe did the brain and nerves develop Adam?

Does thinking hurt for you Adam?

You didn’t answer the question. I point and laugh at your refusal to admit you were wrong.

Adam Kane

25 May 12 at 10:18 pm
CL recruited ‘Gab’ from their “Club”. You do the math!

Hilariously stupid statement.

One thing that’s good about your ravings, Peter, is that I’ve learned more about Catholicism here – from Dover and CL correcting your error-laden hate-filled comments – than any teachings I received and to which I paid scant attention. So there’s always an upside. Keep raving and ranting, you old bigot.

Gab

25 May 12 at 10:19 pm
Let’s sort out this little matter,

You are a dunce Adam.

Wikipedia cannot help you.

I ask again:

How did the brain and nerves develop Adam?

Does thinking hurt for you Adam?

JamesK

25 May 12 at 10:20 pm
Funny thing, though, of all my friends only one is a Catholic. The rest are either atheists or agnostics but they are not hate-filled lonely old bigots like Peter.

Gab

25 May 12 at 10:21 pm
You didn’t answer the question. I point and laugh at your refusal to admit you were wrong.

Where was I “wrong” precisely Adam?

JamesK

25 May 12 at 10:22 pm
How many separate stoushes are going on here at the moment?

Several which means more than two but not many… but thats another argument.

Nanuestalker

25 May 12 at 10:22 pm
John H

Evidence is mounting that research is riddled with systematic errors.

Aside from anything else, clinicians are susceptible to outlier effects. And because they cherry-pick (ie they report the most interesting stuff) the data landscape gets skewed, and outliers and random confluences get mistaken for effects.

Adam Kane

25 May 12 at 10:23 pm
Splatacrobat, are you the Splatterbottom on other blogs?

No Jarrah I have only ever been Splatacrobat. No other ali-arses.

Splatacrobat

25 May 12 at 10:26 pm
Aside from anything else, clinicians are susceptible to outlier effects. And because they cherry-pick (ie they report the most interesting stuff) the data landscape gets skewed, and outliers and random confluences get mistaken for effects.

Any evidence to back up your poisonous bilge Adam?

On past evidence probably not, eh?

JamesK

25 May 12 at 10:26 pm
I ask again:

How did the brain and nerves develop Adam?

why the fuck are you asking me that? It’s apropos of absolutely nothing, and seems to be some kind of lame attempt to show that you know more than me, or something.

But don’t bother answering. I’m bored with you.
You abuse everyone you disagree with, refuse to admit when you’re wrong, can’t accept or see anyone else’s point of view, and are just plain unpleasant to interact with.

If you’re a doctor, heaven help us. I pity your patients.

Adam Kane

25 May 12 at 10:27 pm
JamesK: “Heart muscle cells like brain cells don’t replicate.”
I think you mean ‘reproduce’, JamesK,

Wikipedia:

“Reproduction is the biological process by which new “offspring” individual organisms are produced from their “parents”. Reproduction is a fundamental feature of all known life; each individual organism exists as the result of reproduction.”

JamesK

25 May 12 at 10:29 pm
Any evidence to back up your poisonous bilge Adam?

Plenty. I never spew poisonous bilge without evidence to back it up. But I’ll keep it to myself for tonight, and you can triumphantly scream that you won. I know that will make you happy.

Adam Kane

25 May 12 at 10:30 pm
why the fuck are you asking me that? It’s apropos of absolutely nothing, and seems to be some kind of lame attempt to show that you know more than me, or something.

But don’t bother answering. I’m bored with you.

Oh don’t get bored fvcktard.

Brain cells have to have derived from something right?

They didn’t all magically suddenly appear.

I was just trying to stimulate your retarded brain is all Adam.

JamesK

25 May 12 at 10:33 pm
But I’ll keep it to myself for tonight,

Very ‘big’ of you Adam

JamesK

25 May 12 at 10:33 pm
Fellas. No need to panic. Stay totally unfazed.

Surely, all of this could prove to be ephemeral and meaningless in the arc of a long presidential contest. One Democratic consultant who often advises the campaign said that although Obama has spent a few weeks on the defensive, top Obama aides are unfazed.

“These guys don’t panic, don’t turn into a circular firing squad, don’t doubt their strategy,” the consultant said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76752.html#ixzz1vst2JSaI

JC

25 May 12 at 10:35 pm
Very ‘big’ of you Adam

Well the thing is, if I present links quotes, etc, that’s not the end of the matter (especially considering your inability to admit you are wrong).
That’s just the next step in an ongoing dialog.
If I present evidence, you respond.
You criticse, I defend. and so on. But every step of the way will be laced with your hubris, invective, insults and abuse, and that’s just really dull and unpleasant, so go and abuse some patients.

Adam Kane

25 May 12 at 10:37 pm
Funny thing, though, of all my friends only one is a Catholic.

Wow, your only friend – CL – is Catholic. DER!

Peter Patton

25 May 12 at 10:40 pm
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=8675794

Guy finally cleared of rape 10 years later, after being falsely accused by his high school girlfriend so she could sue the school for negligence.

Cost him an NFL career and 5 years in prison.

Yobbo

25 May 12 at 10:44 pm
That politico piece is really a good read for a one good reason. It shows how the Demolition party and the MSM is a total fucking bubble unaware there is a freight train headed their way. They just can’t envisage that the Kenyan really can lose the election and put current state of play down not to fundamental differences with the voters, but just bad campaign strategy and the other guy lucking out. They really are fucking blind.

JC

25 May 12 at 10:44 pm
Wow, your only friend – CL – is Catholic. DER!

Oh hush up, you hysterical old drama queen. About time you freshened up your Fluffy Duck.

Gab

25 May 12 at 10:45 pm
It came after the woman who accused him, Wanetta Gibson, added him as a friend on Facebook when he left prison with a tag. In a message, she explained she wanted to ‘let bygones be bygones’.

Banks’s lawyer, Justin Brooks, told KPCC that Gibson and Banks met and she was caught on video saying there there had been no kidnap and no rape, and would help him clear his record.

Yet she refused to repeat the story to prosecutors as she feared she would have to return a $1.5 million payment she won after her mother brought a suit against Long Beach Schools.

She should be in prison.

Yobbo

25 May 12 at 10:47 pm
She should be in prison.

The penalty should be the same for false accusations of rape as the rape sentence itself.

Gab

25 May 12 at 10:49 pm
Well the thing is, if I present links quotes, etc, that’s not the end of the matter (especially considering your inability to admit you are wrong).

Reqlly?

How do you know Adam?

Why don’t you try the normal boring ‘evidence’ to back up your outlandish claims?

Maybe even once?

You deceitful klutz

JamesK

25 May 12 at 10:50 pm
she was caught on video saying there there had been no kidnap and no rape, and would help him clear his record.

Inadmissible.

Rabz

25 May 12 at 10:54 pm
Sometimes I wish we had never had that discussion about ‘natural law’, coz it made me snuff out of you that you were a RC,

Not really. I would have classed myself only a lapsed Catholic up until this year. So I’ve hardly been a sort of crypto-Catholic up until now using Oakeshott as my beard.

and asked rhetorically what popery gave us. I then answered it. Yet your own respsose completely excises my crucial response, just as CL quote-doctors everybody. Again, it must be the RC upbringing.

I quote-doctored you? No, what I did was treat a rhetorical caricature with the respect it deserved.

Copernicus.

dover_beach

25 May 12 at 10:57 pm
PP – this anti-religious bigotry has to stop. Please, no more.

Sinclair Davidson

25 May 12 at 10:57 pm
You must know Rabz, I guess they just overturned his conviction on a hunch then?

Yobbo

25 May 12 at 10:59 pm
Why don’t you try the normal boring ‘evidence’ to back up your outlandish claims?

Maybe even once?

I already told you why. Because you don’t understand how to argue or debate. You claim to be a doctor but don’t demonstrate the qualities of one, so I’m unconvinced.

John H already posted a link to a pretty good opening salvo on the issue. But you won’t get to discuss it with anyone, because you don’t understand how to debate.

Adam Kane

25 May 12 at 11:04 pm
PP – this anti-religious bigotry has to stop. Please, no more.

Good but on the plus side of the ledger we learn heaps from d-b’s and CL’s rebuttals of PP’s repetitive assininity

JamesK

25 May 12 at 11:05 pm
I already told you why. Because you don’t understand how to argue or debate.

Ok Adam you go first and produce evidence for your outlandishly puerile claims and I’ll respond in like fashion.

You shameless dunce.

JamesK

25 May 12 at 11:08 pm
Read John H’s link to nature.com, then when you’re done, get back to whoever will put up with you. Consider that to be ‘evidence.’

Adam Kane

25 May 12 at 11:15 pm
Absolute shameless douchebag amateur.

Though the Obama campaign has repeatedly attacked Mitt Romney for his career at Bain Capital, President Obama still accepted $7,500 in campaign contributions from three Bain executives. His campaign press secretary, Ben LaBolt told The Politicker the president has no intention of giving the money back.

http://politicker.com/2012/05/president-obama-wont-be-returning-his-donations-from-bain-capital/

JC

25 May 12 at 11:19 pm
So whose religious affiliations do you care about JohnH?

No-one’s because as St. Paul made clear Faith is a leap. Thus at the end of Romans 11 … how unsearchable his ways, his paths beyond searching out.

—–

I regard scientific cosmology as highly problematic, I know about the MW implications of QM and as weird as that scenario goes it is at least logically consistent. But as I like to say: if you think religious narratives are out there go check out what the physicists are dreaming up.

Metaphysical questions are limit questions to me. They invariably contain paradoxes and mysteries. What could be true? I don’t know, I’ll worry about that when I’m dead. I consider it rather arrogant to aggressively maintain a metaphysical belief system when it is lacking in evidence. You can have your faith but if you think you can convince me of its validity with logic you are dreaming. On a physics forum I have put forward the suggestion that the implied observer constraints arising from QM suggest we can never fully apprehend reality so whether or not we should even think that QM does provide a concrete foundation for apprehending “reality” is problematic(I prefer “modal realism” because it avoids the physicality implied in “reality” – touch of Wheeler there?).

John H.

25 May 12 at 11:23 pm
I consider it rather arrogant to aggressively maintain a metaphysical belief system when it is lacking in evidence.

How do feel about aggressively maintaining a belief system that says God does not exist?

What about ‘aggressively’ maintaining that ‘God’ may or may not exist?

So are you an aggressive atheist or an aggressive agnostic JohnH?

Wait…. we know the answer to that.

JamesK

25 May 12 at 11:33 pm
Adam

One point, as I don’t want to get into this argument. After what Nature has done over the AGW issue peddling hardcore alarmism their name on anything published there is fucked. They can’t be trusted on anything as far as I’m concerned.

JC

25 May 12 at 11:36 pm
Gab re the Godawful place that is Dandenong?

It’s locally known as Little Kabul for a reason, and I live nearby in Bogan Central North, as opposed to the Bogan Central I lived in a few years back. We’ve put down some roots, and seeing as I grew up in the western suburbs, we’re surviving lol.

nilk

25 May 12 at 11:54 pm
How do feel about aggressively maintaining a belief system that says God does not exist?

I don’t, practically I am an atheist logically I am agnostic(a la Bertie Russell). I used to call myself agnostic but people too often interpret that as meaning I haven’t made up my mind.I have made up mind, these things cannot be addressed. Have I ever argued for atheism on this blog or anywhere? Nooo.

Beliefs are one thing, what matters is behavior. By their fruits ye shall know them. Damn right, I don’t care what metaphysical mantle people put over themselves, what I care about is how they behave. Good people are good people irrespective of their beliefs.

One point, as I don’t want to get into this argument. After what Nature has done over the AGW issue peddling hardcore alarmism their name on anything published there is fucked. They can’t be trusted on anything as far as I’m concerned.

Source Fallacy, one of the most common errors we commit. The fact that they are wrong on one issue does not mean they are wrong on every issue. If that were true, all of us would always be wrong.

John H.

25 May 12 at 11:55 pm
I consider it rather arrogant to aggressively maintain a metaphysical belief system when it is lacking in evidence.

JohnH, you seem confused about the nature of metaphysics. Can you, for instance, empirically prove the principle of causality? No, you can’t.

You can have your faith but if you think you can convince me of its validity with logic you are dreaming.

Well, there is no other way of proving a metaphysical proposition than by logic.

dover_beach

25 May 12 at 11:55 pm
Well, there is no other way of proving a metaphysical proposition than by logic.

Please explain.

By metaphysics I mean any belief system that presupposes some other beings in some other realm. Causality is part of epistemology, I do not regard it as a metaphysical issue.

John H.

25 May 12 at 11:59 pm
They can’t be trusted on anything as far as I’m concerned.

Got it in one JC. The science establishment has been totally corrupted by the climate activists.

It will need strong leadership to regain respect. Judith Curry from Georgia Tech, a fine and old school academic, is trying hard.

Lazlo

26 May 12 at 12:01 am
I don’t,

Actually you do.

Moreover you are derogatory of people who do believe in God for some reason known only to yourself.

Ironically despite yorr self-righteous protestation it doesn’t work the other way around.

People of faith don’t deride atheists on this blog.

But you – along with Patton – deride people of faith and it is always uncalled for and uncaused.

You are delusional on top of myriad other faults JohnH

JamesK

26 May 12 at 12:01 am
Do you remember when politicians had real style?

Rococo Liberal

26 May 12 at 12:04 am
Catching up on the Cat and I see Peter’s still on his anti-popery bandwagon.

Ah, Peter Pattong. The best advertisement for the Catholic Church since the Blessed JPII reached out to a wallaby*.

*I still have a copy of that photo from the Sun (before it became the Hun). It’s one of my all time fave photos.

nilk

26 May 12 at 12:06 am
Hi Rabz,

Di Matteo got the job done,as I did(n’t) predict

Lazlo

26 May 12 at 12:06 am
I so need new glasses. My spelling is atrocious these days. Too much predictive texting, methinks.

nilk

26 May 12 at 12:09 am
Lock your cupboards

The Nutellastalker has returned

Les Majesty

26 May 12 at 12:14 am
People of faith don’t deride atheists on this blog.

Liar, earlier tonight you stated secularists were ruining universities.

I consider all metaphysical views as nonsense. I regard a lot of scientific findings as nonsense. I believe we live our lives with falsehood filled heads. We live in a dream, through a glass darkly, so I’ll stick to looking at what’s inside the glass not outside of it.

There is plenty of hatred on this blog. Take your pick, climate scientists are evil and should be thrown into the sea, left wingers are brain fucked, unionists are always bad, greenies are slime.

John H.

26 May 12 at 12:14 am
Take your pick, climate scientists are evil and should be thrown into the sea, left wingers are brain fucked, unionists are always bad, greenies are slime.

Yup that’s a pretty fair summary of reality. What’s your point?

Lazlo

26 May 12 at 12:22 am
People of faith don’t deride atheists on this blog.

Liar, earlier tonight you stated secularists were ruining universities.

Stop being delusional JohnH.

Here’s the relevant quote in reponse to d-b who referenced an excellent book on the history of science and the Catholic Church’s central role leading to the Enlightenment:

“Hannam just saw his duty was to dissolve the misconception peddled by radical secularists that poison modern university life.”

So radical secularists attempt to peddle the pup that the Church is the antithetical to science when historically and in every other way nothing could be farther from the truth.

Or are you a radical secularist as well JohnH?

Wait…. we already know the answer to that.

JamesK

26 May 12 at 12:23 am
Oh I don’t Lazlo, look what happened to the Heartland Institute a fortnight ago when they made similiar claims. Lost heaps of corporate funding. So even corporations that back an anti-AGW site have enough common sense to realise that demonising people because of differing beliefs is a dangerous thing to do. I know that here at the Cat is perfectly okay to suggest that said people must be treated as sub-human but if history is any guide thinking like that can lead to problems.

John H.

26 May 12 at 12:26 am
I haven’t made any claims. You are sounding weird. Should you get help?

Lazlo

26 May 12 at 12:32 am
James,

I accept the standard interpretation of science and Christianity but to me it is a moot point. So what, medicine started with shamans, astronomy with astrologers, chemistry with alchemists. Shall I then accord some value to the shamans and astrologists and alchemists because they began a line of thinking that led to modern science? By your logic one should just as readily accept the teachings of some shaman as modern medicine. The simple truth is that the scientists are as a lot agnostic or atheist. If secularists are ruining modern university life then how can you maintain any faith in modern medical research? What a load of crap, modern scientific progress is freaking astounding, if secularists are ruining something it is not scientific research though I’ll grant you it could well be a problem in the humanities.

I don’t even know what secularism is, to me it is just a disguise word for atheists.

John H.

26 May 12 at 12:36 am

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