Midweek Forum: May 29, 2012

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  1. Token

    Though it stinks of pop-psychology, these are interesting observations by one of The Oz’s pet lefties about the feel of the PM’s offices in the past 20 years:

    The decor is what it is, no slight on Julia Gillard’s taste or touch. Prime ministers and their staffs transform this vast space, physically and psychologically. Much depends on the personality of the leader and the tenor of the times: Paul Keating (elegant intensity), John Howard (order and purpose), Kevin Rudd (chaos and energy) and Gillard (civility under siege).

    Real leaders define the times and create themes, though they are flexible they should not be instinctively reactive. Which Labor leader meets that criteria of leadership?

  2. splatacrobat

    I am Farmfestering next week so the Spotted Cow will be on the menu

  3. jtfsoon

    Nixon the equal opportunity racist. LOL

    Of course there were racists in the Republican party. There were racists in the Democratic party. The case of Johnson is well documented, while Nixon had his fantastical panoply of racial obsessions, touching blacks, Jews, Italians (“Don’t have their heads screwed on”), Irish (“They get mean when they drink”), and the Ivy League WASPs he hated so passionately (“Did one of those dirty bastards ever invite me to his f***ing men’s club or goddamn country club? Not once”).

  4. C.L.

    The Family Court – protecting female sociopaths and criminals…

    TWO young brothers will grow up at opposite ends of the world after a remarkable decision in the Family Court.

    A six-year-old boy will live with his father in Australia while his brother, two, will live in Canada with their mother.

    The woman had abducted the older son and was ordered to return him under the rules of the Hague Convention.

    And yes, the ‘judge’ was a woman.

    Family Court splits young brothers.

  5. jtfsoon

    The depth of Johnson’s prior opposition to civil-rights reform must be digested in some detail to be properly appreciated. In the House, he did not represent a particularly segregationist constituency (it “made up for being less intensely segregationist than the rest of the South by being more intensely anti-Communist,” as the New York Times put it), but Johnson was practically antebellum in his views. Never mind civil rights or voting rights: In Congress, Johnson had consistently and repeatedly voted against legislation to protect black Americans from lynching.

    Republican support in the South was not among poor whites or the old elites — the two groups that tended to hold the most retrograde beliefs on race — but among the emerging southern middle class

    he conservative ascendency of 1964 saw the nomination of Barry Goldwater, a western libertarian who had never been strongly identified with racial issues one way or the other, but who was a principled critic of the 1964 act and its extension of federal power. Goldwater had supported the 1957 and 1960 acts but believed that Title II and Title VII of the 1964 bill were unconstitutional, based in part on a 75-page brief from Robert Bork. But far from extending a welcoming hand to southern segregationists, he named as his running mate a New York representative, William E. Miller, who had been the co-author of Republican civil-rights legislation in the 1950s. The Republican platform in 1964 was hardly catnip for Klansmen: It spoke of the Johnson administration’s failure to help further the “just aspirations of the minority groups” and blasted the president for his refusal “to apply Republican-initiated retraining programs where most needed, particularly where they could afford new economic opportunities to Negro citizens.” Other planks in the platform included: “improvements of civil rights statutes adequate to changing needs of our times; such additional administrative or legislative actions as may be required to end the denial, for whatever unlawful reason, of the right to vote; continued opposition to discrimination based on race, creed, national origin or sex.”

  6. Token

    That is a great article Jeff as it concisely summarises what I’ve found about the truth about race relations, as I’ve been reading US history in depth over a few of years.

    I’ve read a LBJ biography which whitewashed so many fact about the man, but still the stench Williamson notes could not be avoided.

  7. Token

    From Jeff’s article from the Guardian:

    Improbable as it seems, the Zimbabwean president, who is widely accused of ethnic cleansing, rigging elections, terrorising opposition, controlling media and presiding over a collapsed economy, has been endorsed as a champion of efforts to boost global holidaymaking.

    Despite that fact Mugabe, 88, is under a travel ban, he has been honoured as a “leader for tourism” by the UN’s World Tourism Organisation, along with his political ally, Zambian president Michael Sata, 75.

    What we’ve come to expect from the UN really.

  8. Token

    From Niall Ferguson’s article which JamesK linked to @1:50am:

    Yes, I know it’s shocking. Before Mitt Romney entered politics, he started up and successfully ran a private-equity shop. He turned money-losing companies around, partly by firing surplus employees. Before Barack Obama entered politics, he was a community organizer, then a lawyer. The firm where he worked in the 1990s specialized in civil-rights litigation and neighborhood economic development. Visit Chicago to see how well that went.

    BAM!! How do like ‘dem apples!

  9. .

    I like Nixon as much as I despise him.

    You can see how flawed and human he was.

  10. jtfsoon

    dot
    I like him too. I think he did as many great things as President as the not so good things. And he was a very sharp guy.

    You can’t really call someone a racist if he hates every member of the human race …

  11. Token

    I like Nixon as much as I despise him.

    You can see how flawed and human he was.

    When voting and when leading the public by speeches, Nixon was on the correct side in the fight against communism and the correct side when it came to civil rights.

  12. twostix

    A new “mega” department has been created called “Human Services” which has swallowed Medicare, Centrelink and Child Support.

    Here are some choice quotes from the Minister to staff:

    This statement emphasised the importance of the work of the Department, charged as it is with the maintenance and repair of this country’s social fabric. It reminded the Senate that every Australian is served by the Department of Human Services, from cradle to grave.

    It underpins the Commonwealth’s relationship with its people: as children and parents; as patients and carers; in study, in work and in retirement. It looks after people facing financial hardship or at the sharp end of structural adjustment. It welcomes people to Australia, and it works for Australians through every stage of their lives.

    For all the prosperity our country enjoys, there is no disguising the profound inequalities we have yet to overcome.

    It has pleased me to learn that there are some 1200 Departmental employees out in the community today, serving as social workers or outreach officers.

    They aren’t waiting behind the counters – they are going out to schools, to maternity wards, to nursing homes, to jails, to any place where people need support.

    Not just the most destitute – but students, and new mums, and retirees, and migrants. Every Australian is served by the Department of Human Services, from the cradle to the grave.

    Just in case anyone was labouring under the impression that Federal bureaucrats don’t see themselves as a totalitarian force.

  13. Token

    Another Labor slimy trick fails:

    The exiled Labor MP Craig Thomson sent Coalition MPs running for the doors this morning as they sought to negate his support when he voted with the Opposition.

    In extraordinary scenes just after 9am, the Opposition tried to suspend standing orders to debate the issue of debt.

    The government moved to gag the debate and Mr Thomson, who has always voted with Labor since being exiled a month ago, instead joined the other crossbenchers who, on principle, never support a gag motion.

    The Leader of the Opposition, Tony Abbott, and the manager of opposition business, Christopher Pyne, made for the doors but Mr Abbott was ordered back by the Speaker, Anna Burke, because it was too late to leave.

    Mr Pyne made it out and negated Mr Thomson’s vote.

  14. candy

    “Not just the most destitute – but students, and new mums, and retirees, and migrants. Every Australian is served by the Department of Human Services, from the cradle to the grave. ”

    that’d be the last thing a new mum would need, a social worker coming into their house and interfering.

  15. Thomas Sowell is in fine form today, from the growing lack of realism in many highly-educated people to the dangers of “Meaningful Work”.

  16. C.L.

    Nixon was great. He had the worst predecessor-caused inheritence of any President of the twentieth century and set about trying to turn it around. Not only the Democrat disaster in Vietnam but the beginnings of Johnson’s communism vis-a-vis the economy. He was perfectly justified in going after traitor Daniel Ellsberg and that was the key motivation behind the Watergate burglary – a small-beer affair compared to the vast crimes of Johnson and Kennedy.

    And if it wasn’t for the rather strange decision to persist in audio-recording his entire presidency, we wouldn’t have the impression that his language, anti-semitism etc was any different to his predecessors.’ When you think of Kennedy pimping out a young intern to give a blow job to some revolting staffer, it’s realy weird that Nixon gets the rap for being the amoral weirdo par excellence of the Oval Office.

    He was a magnificently brilliant and flawed bastard who understood power and how to wield it. If it wasn’t for the pro-communist cowards of the Democrat Party and the media, the North Vietnamese would have pooed their pants at the prospect of confronting him for another two years.

  17. Gab

    I’ve had a few exceptionally fine meals at Vlados, the absolute best steaks in town.

    Sadly, Vlado died yesterday. RIP.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/vlado_gregurek/

  18. A new “mega” department has been created called “Human Services” … It reminded the Senate that every Australian is served by the Department of Human Services, from cradle to grave.

    If that doesn’t send a chill up your spine, there’s something intrinsically wrong with you.

  19. Rabz

    It underpins the Commonwealth’s relationship with its people: as vassals of the State.

    For clarity.

  20. C.L.

    This statement emphasised the importance of the work of the Department, charged as it is with the maintenance and repair of this country’s social fabric. It reminded the Senate that every Australian is served by the Department of Human Services, from cradle to grave.

    FMD, that makes any normal citizen want to vomit.

    Thousands of these people have to be sacked. Thrown on the street. If an Abbott government doesn’t do this, writ large – if they go on being nice guys and leaving the leftist apparatus in place – they deserve to die on the vine like Fraser and friends.

  21. papachango

    that’d be the last thing a new mum would need, a social worker coming into their house and interfering.

    Had one of these nosy busybodies drop round the day after we took our firstborn home from the hospital. I was unloading groceries from the car including a sixpack of beer, which she made some nice but slightly passive-aggressive comment about. I can just imagine the filenote – ‘monitor for possible alcoholic father’. I normally buy beer in slabs – that probably would have prompted a followup visit!

    Was tempted to say ‘fuck off bitch and mind your own business’, but of course was polite and said we’re fine thanks. Didn’t let her into the house.

  22. papachango

    It underpins the Commonwealth’s relationship with its people: as children and parents

    do they mean that the people are children and parents or the govt are parents and the people their children? FMD

  23. JamesK

    I’ve had a few exceptionally fine meals at Vlados, the absolute best steaks in town.

    Sadly, Vlado died yesterday. RIP.

    Very very generous and kind man.

    I enjoyed Vlado’s hospitality on several occasions.

    A life well lived.

    Known and highly regarded by many

  24. Gab

    In extraordinary scenes just after 9am, the Opposition tried to suspend standing orders to debate the issue of debt.

    And the grubberment moved to gag the debate. Why? What are they afraid of? Being exposed?

  25. Gab

    A life well lived.

    Known and highly regarded by many

    hear, hear.

  26. jtfsoon

    Had a look at the menu. Vlado’s looks right up my alley. I have to try it next time I’m in Melbourne.

  27. Max

    Had one of these nosy busybodies drop round the day after we took our firstborn home from the hospital. I was unloading groceries from the car including a sixpack of beer, which she made some nice but slightly passive-aggressive comment about. I can just imagine the filenote – ‘monitor for possible alcoholic father’. I normally buy beer in slabs – that probably would have prompted a followup visit!

    Was tempted to say ‘fuck off bitch and mind your own business’, but of course was polite and said we’re fine thanks. Didn’t let her into the house.

    We had follow-up visits because of choosing not to breast feed.

  28. jtfsoon

    Mouthwatering …

    1st Course
    Homemade sausages made from a mixture of pure lean beef & pork neck blended with a little crushed garlic & sweet red paprika.

    2nd Course
    Tasting plate of eye fillet medallions, young calves liver, hamburger patties and slices of pork neck.

    3rd course
    Eye fillet, porterhouse or rump steak. This is the patron’s choice of cut selected from a tray presented to the table by the waiter. It is Vlado’s pleasure that his guests suggest any particular requirement at this time which not only includes taste preference but also cooking preference.

    For those who would like wagyu, it is available at an additional cost and is marbled at Vlado’s suggested score of 8.

    4th course
    The everlasting retro desert of strawberries and crepes with ice cream and cream served with coffee or tea.

  29. Splatacrobat

    And the grubberment moved to gag the debate. Why? What are they afraid of? Being exposed?

    Craig Thomson voted with the coalition twice!!!!

    WTF!

  30. twostix

    that’d be the last thing a new mum would need, a social worker coming into their house and interfering.

    They’re following the UK’s Blair / Brown tyranical social services platform lead to a tee.

    55% of new jobs are government jobs, the bulk of those are in Social Services.

    Expect to see stories like this appearing here:

    For more than two years the couple have been fighting through 74 hearings in the courts to win their daughter back. From a mass of evidence, including psychiatric reports and tape recordings made at meetings with her parents (only allowed in the presence of social workers), it is clear she has been desperate to return home. The family believe that considerable pressure has been brought on the child to turn her against her parents.

    One particularly bizarre psychiatric report was compiled after only an hour-long interview with the little girl. When she said she had once choked on a lollipop, this was interpreted as signifying that she could possibly have “been forced to have oral sex with her father”.

    After the parents had been subjected to four different psychiatric investigations, which came up with mixed findings, they refused to submit to a fifth, and this apparently weighed heavily with the judge who last December ordered that “Jenny” should be put out to adoption.

    In the Appeal Court 11 days ago, Mr Justice Bodey ruled that, because the father had refused that fifth test, indicating that the parents put their own “emotional wellbeing” in front of that of their child, the adoption order must stand. When this judgment was reported, an independent social worker, who had earlier been an expert witness in the case, wrote to Mr and Mrs Smith to say he was “horrified” to learn that Jenny was “not back in their care”, having assumed for over a year that “she must have been returned home”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5858902/Evil-destruction-of-a-happy-family.html

  31. Gab

    Jason you should. Mouth-wathering beautifully marbled steaks cooked to perfection. Melt-in-the-mouth tender steaks. Heaven.

  32. papachango

    I’m embarrassed to admit that I live less than a km from Vlados but have never eaten there. It’s widely known as the best steaks in Melbourne, few would argue.

    My mates have all gone soft these days and prefer organic fusion food or somesuch.

  33. I’m surprised they couldn’t work meat into the dessert.

  34. C.L.

    What?

    When you have a baby, you have to put up with a state liaison officer or something?

    Please explain.

  35. jtfsoon

    papachango, I’m puzzled too.

    Social workers are sent out everytime someone is born?

  36. candy

    C. thomson does not appear at all suicidal.

    in fact he seems very pleased with himself, like he’s home and hosed, and taunting the Coalition.

  37. .

    Had one of these nosy busybodies drop round the day after we took our firstborn home from the hospital. I was unloading groceries from the car including a sixpack of beer, which she made some nice but slightly passive-aggressive comment about. I can just imagine the filenote – ‘monitor for possible alcoholic father’. I normally buy beer in slabs – that probably would have prompted a followup visit!

    Was tempted to say ‘fuck off bitch and mind your own business’, but of course was polite and said we’re fine thanks. Didn’t let her into the house.

    This is why I’d recommend buying into a good area. You will not be profiled like this.

  38. papachango

    It was the maternal and child health outreach or something like that. The hospital must have tipped them off.

    Bizarre as there wasn’t the slightest issue with the hopsital birth (a scheduled caesarian but that’s not unusual these days), and breastfeeding was OK

  39. papachango

    Dot – Richmond is a pretty good area. If the house prices are anything to go by.

  40. CL: I think you’ll find it usually a visit by a community nurse and they are mainly interested in how the new mother is coping, and in particular, hasn’t come down with a serious case of post natal depression.

  41. .

    Seriously?

    So this is like checking up on families in Willoughby?

    Tell em to get fucked.

  42. Token

    that’d be the last thing a new mum would need, a social worker coming into their house and interfering.

    When both of our little ‘uns were born we shared space with very young unmarried mothers with immature fathers. It was good that the boys at least showed up, though I imagine they were dragged in by the ear.

    In both cases the non-Aus parents [different each time] of the Aus born mother were around to help. The girls mother would say responsible things and impart important advice, but the little minxs would ignore them.

    Rather, the girls would only listen to the government provided social workers who provided the exact same advice.

    The boys were even worse. The social workers could not get through to the morons.

    So many things to worry about, the system is just so wrong…

  43. .

    CL: I think you’ll find it usually a visit by a community nurse and they are mainly interested in how the new mother is coping, and in particular, hasn’t come down with a serious case of post natal depression.

    Bullshit.

    It is because they think they know better than the little people.

  44. Gab

    Yesterday, Her Boganess spat:

    ‘’This Parliament should move on, the opposition should move on and deal with questions of importance to the nation,’’ she said.

    on the subject of Shagger Thomson.

    Today, they gag toe opposition from a any chance to debate the debt ceiling.

    The debt is obviously not important to the nashun. Or Gillard.

  45. Token

    Social workers are sent out everytime someone is born?

    Every time, no matter what. After the 2nd baby, my wife couldn’t wait to get the breast feeding extremist out of the house.

  46. Splatacrobat

    I’m surprised they couldn’t work meat into the dessert.

    How about a tripe trifle or puddings baked in sausage lining?

  47. These visits have been going on for a long time. My first kid was born in 2000, and I am sure we had one.

    No need to get paranoid about it.

  48. candy

    “Rather, the girls would only listen to the government provided social workers who provided the exact same advice.”

    possibly the young girls were scared if they didn’t listen, or appear to listen, their babies would be taken from them. authority can be frightening.

  49. Max

    So this is like checking up on families in Willoughby?

    In my case – Lindfield – house value 1m+ father in banking mother a teriary educated stay at home mum who couldn’t breastfeed. All in all we had about 4 visits. They get into your house so stublely its scarey. I had an old muscle car at the time. the nurse commented on it to my mrs.

  50. twostix

    Was tempted to say ‘fuck off bitch and mind your own business’, but of course was polite and said we’re fine thanks. Didn’t let her into the house.

    But of course you were polite, she has the power to begin proceedings to destroy your family, take your children and place them in an abusive environment before you even get your boots on.

    That’s how we all act when these people arrive on the doorstep “to help”.

    Friends of ours had a “visit” after a neighbour complained their sons were playing out the front of their house – this in a quiet coastal town, in a quiet cul-de-sac.

    Other friends had a “visit” because their 9 year old boy had a faint scratch on his neck that he couldn’t explain to his teacher.

    We’ve heard on the grape vine there are others in around the place who also have had “visits” for similar reasons, but few tell because of the shame of it.

    On the other hand other friends told us their sister was a totally out of control bi-polar junkie, they rang social services out of worry for their nieces and social services never bothered with it.

  51. Token

    I’m surprised they couldn’t work meat into the dessert.

    Heston has a show where he did meat for every course including desert.

    It was a great episode as he found away to film Germaine Greer eating some testicles…and she was a good sport about it.

  52. Gab

    No one is paranoid, SFB. But unlike you, others do not believe the grubberment knows better than them on how to raise their kids, you sniveling fascist.

  53. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Token: From Niall Ferguson’s article which JamesK linked to @1:50am:

    Yes, I know it’s shocking. Before Mitt Romney entered politics, he started up and successfully ran a private-equity shop. He turned money-losing companies around, partly by firing surplus employees. Before Barack Obama entered politics, he was a community organizer, then a lawyer. The firm where he worked in the 1990s specialized in civil-rights litigation and neighborhood economic development. Visit Chicago to see how well that went

    .

    BAM!! How do like ‘dem apples!

    But Token, Les the racistkiddie squeals and pants that the Preshizzle (PACO™) is his heeeeeeero for personally leading the SEAL team that killed the paleosimian terrorist dirtball Osama!

    How dare you say Les the racistkiddie’s heeeeeeero does not walk on water and give orders to Marx?

    After every time our pet racistkiddie talks about the Preshizzle (PACO™) he has to go and change his undies. it’s a special sort of love.

  54. papachango

    and they are mainly interested in how the new mother is coping, and in particular, hasn’t come down with a serious case of post natal depression.

    doubtless SfB is right, that’s the official purpose of the visits.

    But it IS nosy and patronising, and the DO think they know best*. When she saw the sixpack she said something like ‘oh it’s good that you’re treating yourself’ in a sarcastic tone.

    *By the way, while you get good and bad child nurses, some have NO fucking idea. We were concerned that our child might be mildly autistic and the maternal and child health was adamant that, because he could point at 18 months this was not possible.

    He was offcially diagnosed about six months later. We might have got the diagnosis and early intervention sooner if it wasn’t for that dumb bitch.

  55. Token

    …possibly the young girls were scared if they didn’t listen, or appear to listen, their babies would be taken from them. authority can be frightening.

    These unmarried teenage girls and boys needed to be scared as it was clear they hadn’t _got_ the fact how much their life will change.

  56. Token

    and they are mainly interested in how the new mother is coping, and in particular, hasn’t come down with a serious case of post natal depression.

    doubtless SfB is right, that’s the official purpose of the visits.

    It is a fair concern. A mate’s wife got it real bad after the 2nd child. 6 months of his life working long hours a long way from family support, looking after 2 small children and a PND wife.

    It wasn’t the social worker that helped her get over it, and the government did not care less about him. ‘Twas the network of friends & professional care for the woman what did it.

  57. Feral Abacus

    Fatty Farr is at it again

    Morgan records the biggest ever Coalition lead over Labor… but everybody hates Toyabbott. Obviously if they switched to His Holiness Pope Wentworth the Liberals’ reign would last a thousand years. Remember how much better his polling was?

  58. twostix

    CL: I think you’ll find it usually a visit by a community nurse and they are mainly interested in how the new mother is coping, and in particular, hasn’t come down with a serious case of post natal depression.

    In the ACT they come around every week for weeks. On our second the mrs was not interested in having one by every week.

    They made it clear someone would be by whether we liked it or not.

  59. Mk50 of Brisbane

    twostix, that’s beyond appalling.

    It’s at the point where you simply could not blame the parents should they have acquired the means and skills and be cheerfully working their way through a death list the bastards responsible.

  60. Token

    Feral: Chris Kenny posted a great article which answers the Yabbott crap Fatty Farr, Grattan & co are on about.

    Yes, the Yeti has been spotted again, scampering across State Circle towards The Lodge. As I have written before, our national political class, left-leaning as it is, has been consistently looking for and spotting the emergence of a Julia Gillard comeback. But like the Yeti, it is often spotted and never materialises…

    Would the polls be higher for the Coalition if Tony Abbott wasn’t so unpopular? Maybe. But it is his aggressive pursuit of the government that has helped pushed their vote to record lows and keep it there. Approval numbers don’t really matter for an Opposition Leader when the primary vote lead is so strong. It would only be a problem for him if the voting intention numbers narrowed substantially – and then only because it would cause internal doubts.

  61. .

    I think “fuck off you fascist tart” is the correct way to address a community nurse.

  62. Max

    Just in my email box from the local soccer club

    Player’s Equipment Policy
    Football NSW has recently consolidated all its rules and regulations in respect of playing equipment into one document known as the “Player’s Equipment Policy”.The purpose of the Player’s Equipment Policy is to elaborate on the current rules of FIFA, FFA and Football NSW and to emphasise the recent decision made by the International Football Association Board to allow the wearing ofthe Hijab in football matches. The policy is available on the Football NSW website

  63. papachango

    Dot as twostix said that would land you in dock with your kids taken away, so better not.

    I’m glad they didn’t insist on coming inside, as I have a thing about people from the government insisiting on access to my property.

    Some woman lobbed up once wanting to do an ‘energy audit’ of my lightbulbs or whatnot. Turns out she wasn’t from one of the green energy compnay rentseekers instead of the govt but claimed that they audits would soon be mandatory. I said something like ‘just let them try and access my property’

  64. .

    Max

    It’s wogball. The Saracens ran the Med for a long time.

    What did you expect? Luterfisk and Curling?

  65. .

    jason

    Notice the conservatives come up with the same stupid, inaccurate arguments?

  66. jtfsoon

    From Dr Phelps’ parliamentary page

    http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Prod/parlment/members.nsf/V3AllMembers/3177

    Dr Phelps is a libertarian with social conservative tendencies, placing him within the ‘fusionist’ school of conservative political philosophy. His political hero is Ronald Reagan.

    Wow. I hope to hear more about him in future.

  67. Matt

    I must admit, when I read the article by Phelps I thought dot must have ghost-written it …

  68. Gab

    Some woman lobbed up once wanting to do an ‘energy audit’ of my lightbulbs or whatnot.

    Heh. Same here. So was most surprised when I told her, politely, thanks but no thanks. The hide of the (then labor) government. You want entry into my house, get a warrant.

  69. papachango

    wow -someone in politics here who actually calls themselves libertarian.

  70. Infidel Tiger

    Phelps is cool. His speech in parliament talking about how fondly Senator Rhiannon must think of Mother Russia on Mother’s Day is a classic.

  71. Myrrdin Seren

    Clive Hamilton Counterpoint for the day:

    “If Australia’s security services are not closely monitoring the activities of denialist activists then they are failing in their responsibilities.”

    Shorter Clive:

    “Look over there, not over here !”

  72. Infidel Tiger

    Social workers are sent out everytime someone is born?

    Yep. We had the community nurse out two weeks ago. She saw that our kid wasn’t drunk and that my wife had put away the crack pipe and left.

  73. Matt

    I think “fuck off you fascist tart” is the correct way to address a community nurse.

    File Note:

    Father demonstrated verabl abuse towards women. Need to follow up re: likely spousal abuse.

    Father was secretive and did not permit me access to residence, child or mother – concern that this is attempt to hide abuse, neglect or criminal behaviour.

    Follow up visit required and background checks with police to see if pattern of violence has been demonstrated in past.

  74. coz

    The state owns your children. When you register their birth you transfer ownership to the state. It’s only natural for them to check up on their assets.

  75. JamesK

    Mark Steyn: The Facebook Caliphate

    Whatever one feels about the sharia-enforcing, Jew-hating, genital-mutilating enthusiasts of the Muslim Brotherhood, they do accurately reflect a significant slice — and perhaps a majority — of the Egyptian people. The problem with the old-school dictators was that in the end Mubarak, Ben Ali, and Qaddafi didn’t represent anything other than their Swiss bank accounts. The question for the wider world is what do “social media” represent? If they supposedly embody the forces of progress and modernity, then they’ve just taken an electoral pounding from guys who haven’t had a new idea since the seventh century….

    Ideas on liberty, free speech, property rights, women’s rights, and all the other things conspicuous by their absence in the philosophies of Egypt’s new political class. In the end, a revolution cannot be tweeted. Whatever their defects, the unlovely forces running the new Egypt understand the difference between actually mutilating a young girl’s genitals to deny her the possibility of sexual pleasure, and merely “following” your local clitoridectomist on his Twitter feed…..
    Facebook’s flat IPO and Egypt’s presidential election are in that sense part of the same story, of a developed world whose definitions of innovation and achievement have become too shrunken and undernourished. The vote in Egypt tells us a lot about them, but it also tells us something about us.

  76. jtfsoon

    LOL

    Sailer is great at politely highlighting what a wanker Obama is

    http://isteve.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/obama-high-school-highs-story-of-race.html

    I particularly like how Obama rationalized his preppie drug use as “something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind . . .” His classmates, in contrast, in these articles seemed to find his explanation puzzlingly gratuitous. Many of them smoked dope on the beach, too, but they didn’t need a racial identity crisis caused by the white power structure to justify their getting high. It was, like, Hawaii in the 1970s, you know? Maui Wowie, dude!

  77. People are conflating “social worker” with “nurse” or “community nurse”. I am fairly certain workers who are one or the other don’t care to have their job, qualifications and roles mixed up like that.

  78. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Not good. The black guy in Florida who did the ‘face cannibal’ attack was apparently out of his scone on a new form of drug.

  79. jtfsoon

    Fair enough steve.

    I don’t really see the problem if it’s just a community nurse. I’d presume this is just part of the package of services offered by the hospital.

    If it’s a social worker on the other hand, it’s almost like a presumption of guilt.

  80. C.L.

    Every time, no matter what. After the 2nd baby, my wife couldn’t wait to get the breast feeding extremist out of the house.

    Yep. We had the community nurse out two weeks ago. She saw that our kid wasn’t drunk and that my wife had put away the crack pipe and left.

    This is a shock to me. The state compulsorily barges into your fucking house when you have a child?

    That’s utterly disgusting and creepy.

  81. papachango

    People are conflating “social worker” with “nurse” or “community nurse”. I am fairly certain workers who are one or the other don’t care to have their job, qualifications and roles mixed up like that.

    SfB you’re right in that they’re different roles, but the fact is that community nurses act as if they’re scoail workers.

    They shouldn’t as they’re not qualified to do so. In fact they should focus on what they’re supposed to be qualified to do. Mine wasn’t even able to pick up the signs of autism correctly and gave false information which amounts to professional negligence for a qualified nurse.

  82. Gab

    The state owns your children. When you register their birth you transfer ownership to the state. It’s only natural for them to check up on their assets.

    Sums it up nicely.

  83. papachango

    CL you don’t have to let them in. But if you don’t they might make a note that you’re ‘uncooperative’ and badger you more.

  84. Matt

    ople are conflating “social worker” with “nurse” or “community nurse”.

    All these positions would be required by law to report suspected abuse and neglect of children. All have the power to have your child removed on suspicion.

  85. C.L.

    Army chief Lt-General David Morrison has banned the Rising Sun Badge from slouch hats (downturned brim). He has also banned ADF personnel wearing more than four commendation badges. Granted, the RSL is probably over-reacting to a decision that applies only to downturned brim usage. Nevertheless, here’s Lt-General Morrison demonstrating his preference for bling sobriety.

  86. Mk50 of Brisbane

    The new drug type is fairly fuzzy. Some data here. Looks to be made from mephedrone, methylone and methylenedioxypyrovalerone. So another in the methylenedioxymethamphetamine/methylamphetamine production line, another entactogenic drug of the phenethylamine and amphetamine classes at least in produceability. Bad juju

  87. CL, I think it very likely that this type of program has been well studied as a cost effective way of getting post natal depression (amongst other potential problems) recognised early, and that early intervention has greater chance of success and limiting the cost of the illness.

  88. Max

    This is a shock to me. The state compulsorily barges into your fucking house when you have a child?

    That’s utterly disgusting and creepy.

    And they will ask to watch you try and fail to breastfeed your hungry screaming kid.

  89. Gab

    Are nurses and social workers qualified to diagnose PND?

  90. twostix

    People are conflating “social worker” with “nurse” or “community nurse”. I am fairly certain workers who are one or the other don’t care to have their job, qualifications and roles mixed up like that.

    In the ACT post natal vists are a government program and they’re bound by mandatory reporting requirements to report anything out of the ordinary to Child Services.

    So yes, they’re proxy social workers – the government sends them around to your house to make sure that you’re not neglecting your baby (they call it “coping”).

    If you’re not “coping” what is the very first thing they do? Involve Child Services.

  91. candy

    it seems very inappropriate for nurse to disregard a parent’s worry over autism or other disorders of their child.

    surely they should refer family to the GP in the first instance? nurses ain’t doctors.

  92. JamesK

    Community nurses are trained to ask questions that would elicit typical symptoms and observe for signs. The diagnosis is made by a doctor after referral.

    Social workers are always clueless wannabe carers

  93. C.L.

    Many are also lesbians, let’s be honest.

  94. JamesK

    Nasal septal rings are de rigeur

  95. Infidel Tiger

    The community nurse isn’t as bad as it sounds. Generally she just asks how you’re feeling, weighs the baby to make sure it’s gaining weight and solves any problems you may have with breat feeding etc. To be honest I thought we got the nurse visit because we were private patients, didn’t realsie it had anything to do with the government.

    Considering the scum that have kids it’s not that big an evil. I’d like the state to be removing hundreds of kids from their current parents, so I guess I’m a fascist.

  96. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Answering the questions that are really important.

    They have finally found out why the bubbles in stout ‘sink’.

  97. .

    IT

    You are a raving fascist. Go hang yourself in the ladies with a necktie. Children visit this website. We cannot have you infecting them with your filth. GO!!!

  98. Token

    The suicidal Craig Thompson.

    The gaming in parliament today does seem to unmine the pantomime the Liars Party & the Love Media on about in the past week.

  99. Gab

    Milne, The Other Minister for Abbott, just had a mini rant disguised as a press conf, complete with reporters etc. At the end of the rant, no one asked her any questions due to lack of interest.

  100. papachango

    it seems very inappropriate for nurse to disregard a parent’s worry over autism or other disorders of their child.

    fucking negligent is what it is. You go back to these guys for immunisations at 1 year and 3 years, at 3 yrs especially is when signs of autism become apparent, but they can be spotted as early as 1 year if you know what to look for.

    The earlier it’s picked up the better and if there’s one useful thing these community nurses can do is to spot that and gently recommend a developmental assessment by a paediatrician.

    All the medical literature on the subject says that parents know their chld best and if they suspect something’s ‘not quite right’ get a referral to a paediatrician.

  101. Gab

    It’s very simple. Abbott said last week he would not accept any vote from Thomson.

    Gillard et al thought it clever to put Mr Integrity to the test.

    They failed. Abbott won.

  102. Nic

    Children visit this website

    Name them.

  103. .

    Zing.

    Well. This is a family website, anyways.

  104. candy

    “on the subject says that parents know their chld best and if they suspect something’s ‘not quite right’ etc

    that’s absolutely 100 percent true.

  105. twostix

    Twitter is aflood with people defending Craig Thompson and using him and his craven game today to attack Abbott and Pyne for making sure they weren’t caught in it.

    The left have no core, it’s all mush, they’ve officially put Thompson onto the victim totem.

  106. Many are also lesbians, let’s be honest.

    Are you competing with Mk50 for the title of “Blog participant with the most gratuitous concern with sexuality in a matter not related to sexuality”?

    Or is there some conspiracy thought in your mind that community nurses want to watch breast feeding because they like to see breasts?

  107. JamesK

    Children visit this website

    Name them.

    liar-stevefb™

  108. Gab

    “Blog participant with the most gratuitous concern with sexuality in a matter not related to sexuality”?

    That mantle is yours, and yours alone. Congrats.

  109. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Nic:

    Children visit this website

    Name them

    Les the racistkiddie, our pet self-confessed troll!

    We’ll, he’s a child in mental outlook, at least. Does that count?

  110. papachango

    Don’t get me wrong, community nurses are not bad people and genuinely mean well. Most are reasonably knowledgeable, I was just unlucky with one that gave me some dodgy information. Luckily we largely ignored it and went to the doctor instead.

    I do find the government visist very patronising however, and if they’d insisted on watching my wife breastfeed I would have told them to fuck off. Actually she would have got in first

  111. Infidel Tiger

    Haha! Like this is a bad thing:

    Fatty O’Barrell backflips on keeping hunters out of national parks.

  112. Matt

    Considering the scum that have kids it’s not that big an evil. I’d like the state to be removing hundreds of kids from their current parents, so I guess I’m a fascist

    Mandatory reporting is another example of a good intention leading to poor policy outcomes and leads to a well-founded fear of child services.

  113. papachango

    Blog participant with the most gratuitous concern with sexuality in a matter not related to sexuality”?

    Agree that their sexuality should have nothing to do with the issue. But all too often they make is so with their identity politcs. Witness Miriam Whatesername’s comment on Q&A about being ‘an old Jewish lesbian of the Left’, which had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

  114. Rudiau

    Gab,
    ch9 11am news reported the events in parliament as “an embarrassment to the Coalition” WTF

    It is now embarrassing to have principles??

    On their news there wasn’t a mention of the principle involved.

  115. badm0f0

    Mandatory reporting is another example of a good intention leading to poor policy outcomes and leads to a well-founded fear of child services.

    Really care to give actual examples of the poor outcomes versus the alternative? Do you know why mandatory reporting for suspected abuse/neglect by doctors, health workers, teachers and others was introduced? Because so many actual cases of neglect and abuse went unreported & uninvestigated when nobody saw it as their specific responsibility.

  116. Infidel Tiger

    I hope the Coalition go after Thomson until he self harms. I don’t wish him to die, but it would be nice if he maybe jumped of a low brick wall and sprained his ankle. Who knows, maybe that would stop him walking up the stairs to brothels?

  117. Winston SMITH

    I get asked to do shit like this quite often. But I let people know that I have to be invited. The pressure to keep numbers of consults up is only moderate in this organisation, but in QHealth, it’s quite ferocious.
    When I think of the funds pissed into the wind on Social Services, I think of the waste for such little return. Remember Redfern?

  118. Token

    Did Ch 9 mention how vulnerable the poor poppet Shagger is at this time, and how these games may effect his fragile state?

  119. Gab

    On the other hand, Rudi,on ABC24 some Labor MP was being interviewed (I only got the tail end and didn’t see who it was). Questioned asked and the MP started to respond methodically with “Abbott”, to which the interviewer quickly cut in and said

    “but they’re not in government. You are…”

  120. Rudiau

    Did Ch 9 mention how vulnerable the poor poppet Shagger is at this time, and how these games may effect his fragile state?

    I seen some speedy recoveries but wow.

  121. JamesK

    Another inane ley leiberal is Peter van Onselen who I make a point of nver ssupporting by clicking on the links to his articles or Sky program cos h’s a dyed-in-the-wool tosser.

    The sub-editor headline on his latest oop-ed in the Oz:

    “Abbott is safe as long as PM stays”

    The deranged fuckwittery among the lefgtist class is awesome

  122. twostix

    The Libs need to double down on Thompson after this disgusting stunt. As usual if you give the left an inch they’ll repay you with a punch in the face.

    Here’s how it went in the PMO’s office:

    “We’ve got to neutralise the libs “tainted vote” narrative”
    “We’ll wait until numbers are even on some vote, then we’ll get Thompson to sneak over one minute before bells ring”
    “Then we can say Abbott accepts his vote, he’s a hypocrite, etc – the love media will eat it up”.
    “The optics of Abbott avoiding it will be great even if he does get out!”

    Notice in all of this Thompson is still regarded as a fully payed up member of the Labor party tactic squad and the Parliament is used as the ALP’s personal playground.

  123. badm0f0

    I don’t wish him to die, but it would be nice if he maybe jumped of a low brick wall and sprained his ankle.

    Infected paper cut from a credit card statement might be more fitting.

  124. Token

    Infected paper cut from a credit card statement might be more fitting.

    LOL

  125. Rudiau

    Gab, I’ve manually deleted all ABC Ch’s so i don’t even have to flip over them.
    Probably should put them back to get a bit more perspective……maybe tomorrow.

  126. blogstrop

    The anti-gas movement continues, with ABC reporting a whole section of the Condamine river bubbling with methane. Don’t stagnant ponds and swamps do that?

  127. Gab

    I wouldn’t rush, Rudi.

  128. Gab

    Abbott speeching at Mining Council:

    “We will abolish the carbon tax and mining tax…..what the parliament can do, the parliament can also undo..”

  129. blogstrop

    More on bubbly rivers and reservoirs here.

  130. brc

    Don’t get me started with mandatory reporting. I know of a case where the public hospital did a botch of the birth, resulting in cranial bleeding of the newborn. This lead to mild brain damage, learning and sight difficulties in the child.

    When the child was still a newborn typical overreacting parents took baby back to hospital twice for small ailments, which triggered mandatory reporting. Somehow the hospital figured they could cover their behinds and reported said family to child services for possible abuse, citing ‘shaken baby’. Child Services turned up on the doorstep with a capsule and took 2 month old child away.

    Family battled for 2 years and x0,000’s in legal bills to get child back. Managed to get the child released into grandparents care in the meantime. After all was said and done, completely exonerated. No apology or cover of legal costs in the end.

    In the end they left the city/state to start a new life somewhere else and put it all behind them. I have no idea how the marriage survived through all that, but it did. The psychological and financial damage to the parents is apparent to this day – hardly a happy childhood to reflect back on.

    I hate those guys with a passion. They seem to leave kids in the houses of junkies until they die, yet delight in destroying normal middle class families.

  131. Gab

    Governments don’t create prosperity. Businesses create prosperity. – Abbott.

  132. Infidel Tiger

    brc – that’s disgusting. Surely they can sue someone until their arshole prolapses?

  133. Matt

    Do you know why mandatory reporting for suspected abuse/neglect by doctors, health workers, teachers and others was introduced? Because so many actual cases of neglect and abuse went unreported & uninvestigated when nobody saw it as their specific responsibility.

    And making everyone’s responsibility is not the answer. You now have minimally trained people making superficial assessments of people that in some cases they have barely met on the basis of guilty-until-proven-innocent.

    Staff who work in the area (and I know some) are fearful that a) they will be blamed for missing something minor down the track and b) they will be seen by their clients as spies for Child Services – which is basically true.

    If you ever find yourself the subject of a mandatory report, you may not be so sanguine about the legislation. But of course it is not designed to affect nice middle class people who can fight back ..

    Child abuse will continue to happen with or without mandatory reporting but innocent families will continue to be ripped apart because of it. Where is the actual evidence it works?

  134. candy

    There do seem to be some shocking cases reported in the media of babies and young children being bashed by stepfathers usually, the child eventually taken to hospital and dying after a young life of torment.

    But the social workers miss these cases seemingly. Perhaps there’s only a few but.

  135. brc

    IT it was a few years ago. It was talked about but the family never wanted to step into a courtroom ever again. IIRC they needed a doctor to go against the hospital doctors, and unlike a Grisham novel, it’s much harder to do in practice than in theory and costs money upfront. Cash was a major problem at the time. They were saving to purchase a house, the deposit was gone and then they had to borrow money from family. They just bailed from the state and started again.

  136. Token

    Saw that Thatcher movie on a flight last week, then I listened to this speech by the old rake Lord McAlpine at the Sydney Institute.

    McAlpine was a prominent Conservative peer, close in his views to Margaret Thatcher. He had been both Treasurer and Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Party.

    By jingos the man is entertaining and provides some magnificient context to the movie.

    Interesting how he notes the lefty director of Thatcher came by the visit but did not ask about his experience with the Iron Laday talked about fertiliser.

  137. Nic

    Children visit this website

    Name them.
    liar-stevefb™

    Of course lol.

  138. Matt

    There do seem to be some shocking cases reported in the media of babies and young children being bashed by stepfathers usually, the child eventually taken to hospital and dying after a young life of torment

    Yep – and this happens under the current Mandatory Reporting regime. Mandatory reporting does not appear to lead to any diminuition in rates of child abuse but it does suck in a much larger group of families into the Child Services maw. That’s a positive outcome?

  139. Infidel Tiger

    IT it was a few years ago. It was talked about but the family never wanted to step into a courtroom ever again.

    They beat you through mental attrition. It’s why I can understand the lone gunmen who takes out a whole department with extreme prejudice.

  140. blogstrop

    A bit of further googling indicates that there are methane bubbles naturally occurring on rivers all over the world, and that natural causes, not drilling for gas, are usually to blame. Decomposition of organic material is an obvious one, but there’s even a chance of other chemical reactions going on under certain conditions, leading to a CH4 outcome. Instances are noted in places like Norway, Siberia, and Switzerland, not just the tropics.

  141. Token

    There do seem to be some shocking cases reported in the media of babies and young children being bashed by stepfathers usually, the child eventually taken to hospital and dying after a young life of torment.

    There is a certain class of men who like to move in with single mothers…

  142. brc

    @Matt – I’d like to see evidence it is doing more good than harm. Because just based on the available media stories I don’t think that is the case. I doubt deaths from abuse or neglect are down, mainly because those sorts of people are the ones that don’t go near medical or government services.

    However innocent families getting torn apart from state meddling is definitely a modern intervention.

  143. Gab

    Abbott cut quite the dashing figure (literally) this morning as he sprinted out of parliament this morning.

    i’d like to see Gillard attempt such a feat.

  144. Token

    i’d like to see Gillard attempt such a feat.

    How did Fairfax was it put yesterday?

    Lame duck Labor likely to waddle on to term

  145. Peter Patton

    Abbott cut quite the dashing figure (literally) this morning as he sprinted out of parliament this morning.

    FMD. It IS just a CL sockpuppet.

  146. JamesK

    FMD. It IS just a CL sockpuppet.

    You’re being dispicable and disgusting again Peter.

  147. Makes Abbott look like rather silly. This is a good thing.

  148. Winston SMITH

    A mate (Registered Nurse) who worked in ICU in a large metropolitan hospital had warned social services of a young girl being physically abused over a two year period. Multiple admissions for fractures, etc. SS did nothing. Then one day she came in with a cerebral bleed from being bashed. (You don’t need to know the rest.) He walked out of ICU, went to the SS office and dragged the senior person out of a meeting, physically manhandled her down to ICU and demanded she watch the turning off of the the life support machinery of the 8yo.
    They knew what was going on, but it was an Aboriginal family and therefore in the ‘too hard’ basket.
    Not one of the saved generation.

  149. Gab

    Patton will be forced to say three Hail Mary’s as penance.

  150. JamesK

    Makes Abbott look like rather silly. This is a good thing.

    Only in the small minds of the incestuously closed leftist society

  151. Token

    I get the feeling this is the type of get up PP wears when he gets into his anti-Catholic rants.

  152. Gab

    Interesting watching Hockey give a good press conf this morning, a few minutes after Abbott’s speech to the Mining Council. Ih his speech, Abbott said that some people say it will be very hard for him to repeal the carbon dioxide tax but that it wouldn’t stop him.

    So back to Hockey, wherein some idiot troublemaker posing as a “reporter”, with the intention of a “gotcha”, questioned Hockey on Abbott’s comment saying that Abbot said “it would be too hard to repeal the carbon tax”.

    To his credit, Hockey said: “I’m not going to comment on your interpretation of what Mr Abbott said”.

    finally, these guys are wising up.

  153. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    finally, these guys are wising up.

    Never give them an inch; always take a mile. After all, it’s what they do, all the time. At least play defensively.

  154. brc

    It says something about the state of things when just about everyone knows a story involving either meddling by the state in innocent families, or the state totally ignoring cases where it should be involved.

    A cynical observer such as myself would say they are looking for soft targets to fill their quota rather than trying to actually achieve any good. A bit like how sometimes it seems the police would rather hand out speeding tickets than investigate crimes. Law abiding middle class people tend to be easy to boss around.

  155. twostix

    Really care to give actual examples of the poor outcomes versus the alternative?

    Mandatory reporting laws implemented under pressure from activist, overbearing, intrusive welfare agenices who operate under murky illiberal laws and secret courts cause people to fear going to the doctor if their child is hurt.

    That’s the first (very major) negative outcome.

    The other is that child services agencies have been so overwhelmed with specious reports that they don’t bother checking most anymore, where though vast majority of professionals ignore 99% of what they are supposed to report, those that do report in accordance with the letter of the law have overwhelmed the serivces:

    In order to cope with this influx of reports, some child protection departments have increased the threshold or level of seriousness of reports that give rise to an investigation. For example, in 2010 in New South Wales the threshold for child maltreatment changed from risk of harm to risk of significant harm.

    Here are some of the NSW governments “signs of abuse” that if seen require reporting:

    – social or geographic isolation of the child, young person or family, including lack of access to extended family [live on a farm, you’re on the list]
    – child not adequately supervised for their age [subjective]
    – extended stays at school, public places, other homes [unless you work late, then it’s not abuse, otherwise it is]
    – leaving the child without appropriate supervision [subjective]
    – withholding physical contact or stimulation for prolonged periods (whatever the hell that means)
    – has unrealistic expectations of the child [subjective]
    – dislocations, sprains, twisting [got active boys? be careful]
    – multiple injuries or bruises [got active boys? be careful]
    – [parent]fears injuring their child [wtf]
    – [parent]uses excessive discipline [subjective]
    – using inappropriate physical or social isolation as punishment [aka grounding – subjective]

    The problem is, once one has kids and meets other parents the definition of the subjective items and what is “acceptable” is wildly different from one person to another, from parent to parent, to doctor, nurse or teacher to the social worker who comes into your home because your kid has an unexplainable scratch and his teacher (though they won’t tell you who it was who made the complaint) has decided to report you.

    Once somebody has been reported for something stupid, the word gets out and decreases the level of trust people have in doctors, teachers, etc – another negative outcome.

  156. Infidel Tiger

    So back to Hockey, wherein some idiot troublemaker posing as a “reporter”, with the intention of a “gotcha”, questioned Hockey on Abbott’s comment saying that Abbot said “it would be too hard to repeal the carbon tax”.

    Did this fool think he was dealing with little Billy “how deep can my nose go” Shorten?

  157. Infidel Tiger

    A cynical observer such as myself would say they are looking for soft targets to fill their quota rather than trying to actually achieve any good.

    Nothing cynical about it. When was the last time a blackfella’s kid was taken out of one of the hovels they live in? The twelth of Never would be my guess.

  158. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Gab!! Where on earth did you find those slippers? Cracked me up over my lunch.

    They might provide PP with an excuse to discuss the continuing and inventive tradition of Roman and Greek hermes. His knowledge of ancient traditions is extensive and does add value to our varied deliberations, imo.

    btw, I watched the Da Vinci Code completely alone, the only viewer, in a forlorn British and seedy seaside town. It was a terrible film, but quite spooky in that context.

  159. Jc

    Were you wearing a raincoat Lizzie?

  160. Jc

    A bit of further googling indicates that there are methane bubbles naturally occurring on rivers all over the world, and that natural causes

    Harry will run around with old wine corks trying to plug them up.

  161. Les Majesty

    forlorn British and seedy

    You repeat yourself.

  162. badm0f0

    When was the last time a blackfella’s kid was taken out of one of the hovels they live in? The twelth of Never would be my guess.

    That’s where popular prejudice runs into hard reality. Indigenous (A/TSI) children are almost 10 times more likely to be placed in care than non-Aboriginal children.

  163. C.L.

    It’s very simple. Abbott said last week he would not accept any vote from Thomson.

    Gillard et al thought it clever to put Mr Integrity to the test.

    They failed. Abbott won.

    Suicide Boy says he came up with the idea all by himself.

    Also at that link, one of the most quaint and rare parliamentary customs. When you raise a point of order during a division, conventionally you cover your head. Joe Hockey does so at 0.33.

  164. twostix

    A cynical observer such as myself would say they are looking for soft targets to fill their quota rather than trying to actually achieve any good.

    That was also the general consensus at a dinner where we were given the story about our friends junkie sister who was ignored but our benign middle class friends had just had a door knock because their kids were playing out the front under “inappropriate supervision” (it was theorised that the complaint was made by neighbours across the road who they had a long running dispute with).

  165. Les Majesty

    After every time our pet racistkiddie talks about the Preshizzle (PACO™) he has to go and change his undies

    It’s always about racism, gay sex, bodily emissions or “n*ggers” with you, 49. You are a deeply weird person.

  166. Gab

    When you raise a point of order during a division, conventionally you cover your head.

    Do you know the reasoning behind this tradition, CL?

  167. Infidel Tiger

    Indigenous (A/TSI) children are almost 10 times more likely to be placed in care than non-Aboriginal children.

    That’s good. However, are they removed from the camps completely or just given to someone who is slightly less inebriated who lives next door?

  168. Les Majesty

    That’s where popular prejudice runs into hard reality. Indigenous (A/TSI) children are almost 10 times more likely to be placed in care than non-Aboriginal children.

    C’mon… Why should facts and empirical reality be allowed to distract from a Catellaxetard’s typically hysterical rant about reverse racism?

  169. C.L.

    So IT and Jason are both nanny staters.

    😯

  170. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Of course, JC. It was wet and windy outside. 🙂

    Which reminds me, as I am now being re-identified (in jest I hope, JC): what is all of this ‘sock-puppet’ identity stuff from PP about stalwart people like Gab?

    Founded on fantasy, I think. Joke over, PP.

  171. Gab

    are almost 10 times more likely

    Does that mean they are actually placed or is it just conjecture?

  172. Les, you missed some Mk50, um, excitement, this morning in the Abusive Speech thread. It’s hard to explain in detail without exposing the blog to defamation again.

  173. Gab

    Lizzie it was started by Philomenia over at Graeme’s and Steve dutifully followed suit and PP has now also followed the leader, like a lemming.

  174. JC

    It’s hard to explain in detail without exposing the blog to defamation again.

    As against your comments about Abbott’s sex life, yea?

  175. JC

    You’re never very hard on yourself, Setpford

  176. badm0f0

    However, are they removed from the camps completely or just given to someone who is slightly less inebriated who lives next door?

    About 70% of care cases are preferred placements – either with a relative, in community or another indigenous carer. 30% are non-preferred or the standard out of home care options.

  177. JC

    Phil started it? Lol You mean Olive Oil?

    Olive also thought I was Birdflaps for some godly reason. I didn’t even sound like him.

  178. JamesK

    Shagger tweets that he generally doesn’t support gag orders….

    The ABC report finished by informing us he had supportred gag orders on 5 occasions since becoming an ‘independent’

  179. C.L.

    Gab, there are a few explanations but the simplest one is that with all the movement about the chamber during a division, a man covering his head (usually with a sheet of paper) is more easily seen by the Speaker. More arcanely, the practice was adopted from the House of Commons where a member may make a point of order sitting and wearing a hat during a division.

  180. Gab

    Yes, JC, it was when Oily ranted one day at Graeme for talking to me. She gave iom an ultimatum: either her or me

    LOL.

  181. JC

    I swear to God, I thought that was going to like this and then i realized it was about Parliament.

    Shagger tweets that he generally doesn’t support gag orders for hookers.

  182. Gab

    Ah, thanks, CL. That makes sense.

  183. Infidel Tiger

    Shagger tweets that he generally doesn’t support gag orders….

    Is that reference to his brothel escapades?

  184. badm0f0

    Does that mean they are actually placed or is it just conjecture?

    Sorry my original clarification seems to have been eaten by a browser refresh:
    it isn’t 10 times more likely, indigenous kids subject to abuse/neglect are placed in care at almost 10 times the rate of non-indigenous kids. AIHW has fact sheets for general population & A/TSI figures for abuse & neglect reports.

  185. Infidel Tiger

    Someone on twitter ask Thommo if he issued any gag orders on the HSU dime?

  186. JC

    Yes, JC, it was when Oily ranted one day at Graeme for talking to me. She gave iom an ultimatum: either her or me

    Oh Yea, I vaguely recall Olive demand. I don’t remember what Bird did. No doubt he decided to go with Olive.

  187. Les Majesty

    I just popped over and had a look.

    I can only imagine what 49 said…. I assume he was even more drama queenish and more obsessed with the particulars of male homosexual intercourse than usual?

    Did he make liberal use of italics, underlining and bold?

  188. JC

    You have a filthy filthy mind, Infidel.

  189. C.L.

    Catallaxy’s own David Marr – luvvie Peter Patton – voted for Kevin Rudd in 2007, preferenced the Greens in 2010 (the fact that Bob Brown is a fellow homo was pure coincidence, I’m sure), praised lesbian Penny Wong here a few weeks ago and now touts a “good looking” King’s Old Boy as the future of the Liberal Party.

    Needless to say, he hates Tony Abbott.

  190. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    7.30 on ABC last night had a story about an aboriginal town in total dysfunction; a previous mission town that in the 70’s was just beginning to disintegrate, but in full mode now. There was general agreement among dwellers and bureaucrats that penetrative child sexual abuse of children as young as five was rife, unsupervised children were abandonned to their fate, drunkeness prevailed and buildings had all been totally trashed. More money needed, was the mantra from the few sober ones left. Two burned-out health workers were interviewed, having left the area. They were suffering on-going depression from their experiences there.

    The most notable thing to me was that they thought that NOTHING COULD BE DONE. So totally had these distressed and well-meaning people absorbed the litany of leftist hands-off policy that they were rendered powerless to suggest how to intervene.

    It was pretty clear that the whole so-called ‘community’ should be removed and separated from each other so that normal community standards and legal requirements of the wider society could be brought to bear on each and every member; not the convulsive ‘normative’ standards of that group.

    This was no ‘aboriginal’ culture. This was a concentration camp for children.

  191. JC

    Lester and Stepford seem to be really getting along these days. Funny what brings people together.

  192. Infidel Tiger

    Lester and Stepford seem to be really getting along these days. Funny what brings people together.

    It’s like Code Pink supporting the Taliban.

  193. Les Majesty

    Back in the day, people who carried on like Iq49 does were advised to undergo an emergency hysterectomy.

    Of course, science has moved on from that.

    But we still don’t have a good treatment for distressed hysterics such as 49.

    Electro-convulsive therapy might help, but that won’t address his underlying gender dysphoria.

  194. Oh come on

    Sorry if this has been mentioned in another thread, but it’s rather amusing:

    Uber Genius Barack Obama refers to Polish death camps and, strangely enough, offends the Poles.

    He’s such an incredible intellect. Romney’s toast.

  195. Gab

    Thank you for clarifying, Baddy.

  196. Les: how did you guess? He only went with italics this time, though.

  197. Nic

    Greens Leader Christine Milne said Mr Abbott’s behaviour today demonstrated that he could not be regarded as a responsible candidate for the prime ministership.

    What a toe rag. He showed more integrity in those two minutes than she ever has.

  198. Les Majesty

    a “good looking” King’s Old Boy

    That is uncalled for.

  199. JC

    Uber Genius Barack Obama refers to Polish death camps and, strangely enough, offends the Poles.

    There goes Illinois.

  200. Oh come on

    Yes. going to extreme measures to keep your word is extremely unbecoming in a leader – or anyone, really – as Tubbsy firmly believes.

  201. Infidel Tiger

    Carr won’t rule out military intervention in Syria.

    Send in the Australian Navy. We’ll have to find a puncture repair kit for our flotilla of lilos first.

  202. Gab

    t was pretty clear that the whole so-called ‘community’ should be removed and separated from each other

    Ah yes and yet another “Sorry Day” in the making I would think.

  203. JC

    The world awaits his final decision:

    Carr won’t rule out military intervention in Syria.

    Oh ffs someone get this moron an adult diaper.

    another great decision by the lying slapper.

  204. IT: your position on community nurses visits today was exactly like mine (“stop being paranoid”.)

    You also agreed with me once last week (about gay icons in music) and congratulated me on showing signs of masculinity on Saturday. (Even though I have talked about boutique beers before.)

    I’m not sure which of us should be more distressed.

  205. JamesK

    Boob Carr is subtly threatening Assad?

    Those Syrian thugs are shaking in their boots as we speak

  206. jtfsoon

    IT: your position on community nurses visits today was exactly like mine (“stop being paranoid”.)

    You also agreed with me once last week (about gay icons in music) and congratulated me on showing signs of masculinity on Saturday

    IT

    Dude …

  207. Gab

    Greens Leader Christine Milne said Mr Abbott’s behaviour today demonstrated that he could not be regarded as a responsible candidate for the prime ministership.

    at the end of which no reporter asked her any quesrions.

  208. jtfsoon

    Les
    getting friendly with the tax evader, are we?

  209. Oh come on

    Steve is flirting with IT.

  210. Les Majesty

    It’s like Code Pink supporting the Taliban

    Please say that I am the Taliban and Steve is code pink….?

  211. Rabz

    Carr won’t rule out military intervention in Syria

    Libya of course, being the resounding triumph it was.

    FFS, what a puffed up zombie numpty…

  212. C.L.

    Chris Kenny notices that Pauline Gillard has resurrected traditional Labor hatred for non-whites:

    This is a sad year for Australian politics. First we had the Prime Minister’s office – no less – directly involved in sparking a race-based protest, resulting in violent scenes that saw police brought in to help Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott escape an angry mob. Then we saw Ms Gillard and her Treasurer deliberately foment a modern version of class warfare by attacking the nation’s mining magnates, and fuelling an “us versus them” mentality that would have been more at home in the 1890s.

    And now, even worse, we have Labor MPs and union leaders unleashing a xenophobic campaign against foreign workers. Senator Doug Cameron has railed against the government’s Enterprise Migration Agreements because they involve “marching Chinese workers” in to take jobs from Australians.

    Not a far cry from the Australian labour movement of old.

  213. Oh come on

    Les, are you into pederasty? If yes, then you can be the Talib.

  214. JC

    – luvvie Peter Patton – voted for Kevin Rudd in 2007, preferenced the Greens in 2010

    Patton..

    I can understand someone making a serious error and voting for the little turd in 07. That’s forgivable in some way that only a Catholic could understand.

    However is the rest fucking true? You preferenced the fucking slime in 2010?

    We need answers Patton. Everyone here does.

  215. JamesK

    There goes Illinois.

    Nah. Poles second leftists first.

    Lech Walesa has criticised Obummer and indeed campaigned for a Republican of Polish descent in Chicago.

    It didn’t make a difference.

    Besides votes slipped in to the ballot box by living voters are not counted in Illinois.

  216. Infidel Tiger

    Steve as I explained to you when you said you were about to have a boutique dark beer, I think my tuition is working for you.

    It’s a big project but I have no doubt we can butch you up sufficiently so that other people don’t point and stare.

  217. JC

    FFS, what a puffed up zombie numpty…

    Barry Humphries on Q&A reckons Bob Carr looks like a perfect undertaker.

  218. Oh come on

    He’s going to end up looking like Pauline Pantsdown, you realise this, IT?

  219. JC

    Besides votes slipped in to the ballot box by living voters are not counted in Illinois.

    Lol Oh yea. the demolition party focuses most of it’s resources on getting the dead vote in Illinois.

  220. As it turned out, I only had time for two beers. The better one was a Coopers 150 Celebration Ale.

  221. jtfsoon

    In defence of steve, he likes McDonalds too.

  222. val majkus

    It’s very simple. Abbott said last week he would not accept any vote from Thomson.

    Gillard et al thought it clever to put Mr Integrity to the test.

    They failed. Abbott won.

    IMO that looks suspiciously like a sequel to the Australia Day stunt

  223. Infidel Tiger

    “At 5.2% abv, it has a rich aroma of fruity esters with a slight hint of citrus and has a warm finish
    on the palate. It is also slightly more bitter than other Coopers ales.”

    That sounds almost manly. Well done.

    Next week we will talk about filling out a betting slip.

  224. badm0f0

    It’s a big project but I have no doubt we can butch you up sufficiently so that other people don’t point and stare.

    The final lessons will be on appropriate choice of moisturiser & lip balm to bring out a glowing complexion.

  225. Oh come on

    That did not fucking sound manly, IT.

    This is a manly analysis of a beer:

    “not a bad drop”

    Nothing more.

  226. Infidel Tiger

    The final lessons will be on appropriate choice of moisturiser & lip balm to bring out a glowing complexion.

    Then JC will teach him how to get a military style crease ironed into your Pepe Jeans.

  227. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Ah yes and yet another “Sorry Day” in the making I would think.

    Too damn bad. Just bite this particular bullet and do something positive for those kids.

    I suspect the world has moved on a bit from ‘sorry’, given what is happening in remoter aboriginal communities right now, well-documented and illegal. I’m sorry. I’m certainly sorry – poor fellow, my country, indeed.

    Get together an aboriginal task-force led by Noel Pearson (he might be willing) or Mal Brough to assist with the ‘transfer’ (a better word than ‘removal’) of the population to dispersed living situations elsewhere, for the sake of the children.

    Or just bloody DO IT. Fait accompli. Life experience shows it is easier to ask for forgiveness (should it be required), than permission.

  228. JC

    In defence of steve, he likes McDonalds too.

    “In defence” and ‘steve” in the same setence is so, so wrong. It’s against itself and somewhere in the universe being died as a result.

  229. JC

    oops it’s against nature

  230. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I’m going out for a drive, because this stuff really annoys me ….

  231. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    .. the aboriginal kids stuff, and no-one doing anything about it, and lefties wittering on about rights etc. Any wittering lefty should be invited to leave their kids there overnight, without supervision. That might bring it home to them.

  232. JC

    Shut up IT. I don’t wear creased jeans. However you wear moisturizer and sun block while driving the volvo.

  233. Rabz

    Long-term, Fairfax is in the process of becoming a digital business, which is risky and challenging (thus the 90 per cent fall in the share price since 2007)

    This week she has been very critical of the decline in circulation at Fairfax, which means no one has told her that that’s actually the plan

    WTF? alan kohlon brings teh stoopid – massive share price collapses, declining readership, all part the braindead brilliant fauxfax plans for domestic meeja domination…

  234. JamesK

    I’m going out for a drive, because this stuff really annoys me ….

    Sandalwearers with a silvertail are worth 100 points

  235. areff

    Just announced: Chip Rolley, director of the Sydney Writers Festival’s annual luvvie wankathon, has been appointed new editor of The Drum.

    If there is no other reason to vote for Abbott, cleaning out the ABC will be enough.

  236. John H.

    So totally had these distressed and well-meaning people absorbed the litany of leftist hands-off policy that they were rendered powerless to suggest how to intervene.

    Well if those dumb ass ideologues starting thinking about this issue in relation to human developmental dynamics they might begin to realise that rants about rights have little to do with improving the plight of aboriginal children. Theyare condemning these children to a life that deprives them of the full developmental opportunities available to human beings in Australia. Having them live in these communities is an incredibly stupid and cruel idea. A couple of weeks ago I was tinkering with the idea that if I wanted to attack this nonsense my best approach would be to pit their concerns about “aboriginal culture(which is stereotyping every single aborigine!) and self determination(which in my world is an oxymoron) against the known realities of what is the best environment in which to raise children. So which is more important, aboriginal children or aboriginal culture?

  237. badm0f0

    Shut up IT. I don’t wear creased jeans.

    I think IT understands that your jeans are always tastefully pressed & you would never sport anything so gauche as creased denims which would detract from the casual chic of your Armani espradilles.

  238. twostix

    One can see the statistics on child welfare here:

    http://www.aifs.gov.au/nch/pubs/sheets/rs1/rs1.html

    Check the first chart, despite “notifications” going through the roof from 2000 – 2010 (150,000-350,000!) substantiations after investigation having been dropping.

    In 2008 there was 350,000 reports which triggered 162,000 investigations into 208,000 children. Of that only 54,000 reports were substantiated, of that only about 8000 children were placed on “orders” that year

    208,000 children investigated ~8000 put “on orders”.

  239. JC

    Are you fucking kidding me. Alan Kohler said that? What a mindless freaking Gump he is.

    Alan, you immortal buffoon. There was no plan for the firm to lose 90% of it’s stock price and nearly all their readership pertaining to the dailies.

    Alan you dope, they are in asset sale mode because the banks have basically told them to reduce debt and they have a euro bond issue that will mature with no hope of rolling it over.

    Where the fuck did you learn finance you idiot.

  240. Viva

    Australia is paying the price for hugging the coast and lapping up the easy life in the South and East. Nobody wants to go west where the jobs are and pioneer new communities and (crazy thought) build new cities (even a crim like Bugsy Siegel had more get up and go creating Las Vegas in the middle of the bleeding desert!)

    Last 4 Corners showed how the makeshift FIFO solution wasn’t really working alienating the locals and distorting the local economy. The Libs every now then talk about developing the north and building dams to create a new food bowl. But nothing happens. Are we really the second raters that Donald Horne said we are?

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