Midweek Forum: May 29, 2012

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  1. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Cripes. A thousand comments.

    Well, the beef bourgignone is ready, the 1987 Galway Hermitage is properly decanted, and Mrs Mk50 is calling. Have a good night, folks.

  2. C.L.

    I don’t hold anything against Plibersek’s husband for the narcotics charge. He didn’t do anything Keith Richards and the Beatles didn’t do a hundred times.

    Relatedly, I noticed that Pasquale Barbaro got 30 years minimum for importing ecstasy.

    That is just incredibly stupid and excessive – especially considering perhaps one-sixth (or more?) of the people in the court-room at the time do E recreationally.

  3. JC

    Oh the good times of NSW labor

    Yesterday Mr Coutts-Trotter was targeted by Mr Hazzard, who suggested the appointment was a political fix.

    “The question really is, how is it, that someone who had a nine-year jail sentence for drug importation and who has no educational qualifications ends up as the director-general of public eduction in NSW? And the answer might well be that he’s a Labor mate,” Mr Hazzard said.

    However, Mr Coutts-Trotter told smh.com.au that he has been appointed purely on merit.

  4. JC

    I don’t hold anything against Plibersek’s husband for the narcotics charge.

    Fair enough, but would you have hired him as director general of public ed also having no ed qualifications?

    Everyone loved NSW Labor.

    That reminds me has the undertaker talked about Australia’s most pressing foreign affairs problem today? Syria.

  5. Gab

    That reminds me has the undertaker talked about Australia’s most pressing foreign affairs problem today? Syria.

    No but some idiot on Twitter is hassling Julie Bishop for not talking more about Syria in Parliament.
    They’re not the government, jackass.

  6. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    We have some of the best fish in Australia

    We certainly do. I am just about to cook up a storm of seafood marinara with fresh fettuccine, including lots of prawns. With crusty bread and garlic olive oil, and a crispy salad. Yum.

    Da Ape is hungry, and so am I.

    Polite dinner party for us tomorrow night, so tonight is big feed up time. We’ve both been to the gym today too.

  7. Jumpnmcar

    It’s funny that we used WA pilchards as bait and now they’re sold as gourmet sardines.
    Of course Banana (that word again) fish are the natural food for Coral Trout. These not these.

  8. front page news.com.au

    pliberscum continues to make headlines

    Tanya Plibersek refuses to apologise for offensive posters of Tony Abbott in her electorate office

    ALP is the party for bottom dwellers, wannabes, leeches, deviants, perverts, the delusional and the gullible.

  9. Peter Patton

    I don’t hold anything against Plibersek’s husband for the narcotics charge.

    Gee, what a surprise. CL goes into bat for a good-looking married male Roman Catholic. You’re such a fag.

  10. Carpe Jugulum

    ALP is the party for bottom dwellers, wannabes, leeches, deviants, perverts, the delusional and the gullible.

    You left out – [long list of rude habits and practices. Sinc].

  11. Jumpnmcar

    Are there any Coalition MP spouses that did time for importing drugs,or anything else for that matter?

  12. Peter Patton

    CL

    What’s the matter Bwoooooooth? Wicky not weturning your emails?

  13. James in Melbourne

    Do libertarian types have any ideas at all to suggest for the reduction of the rates of obesity?

    Steve. I will say this only once. You get fat if you eat crap and fail to exercise.

    People who do not know this are brain-dead; they might as well be butt-dead, too.

    The government cannot make these people eat better and exercise.

  14. JC

    Patton

    How the fuck you know Plib’s hubbie is a papist? Seriously, how do you even know that and why?

  15. JC

    Are there any Coalition MP spouses that did time for importing drugs,or anything else for that matter?

    and were appointed and director gen of ed without any ed quals?

  16. coz

    I don’t hold anything against Plibersek’s husband for the narcotics charge.

    Fair enough, but would you have hired him as director general of public ed also having no ed qualifications?

    Another St Ignats old boy. nomesayin.

  17. Winston Smith

    White House press secretary Jay Carney uses a questioned Market Watch report about spending under Obama to claim he has been a “responsible steward” of the economy.

  18. JC

    Ann Counter on a really important election this weekend that the GOP and the nation can’t lose, but they very well may.

    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-05-30.html#read_more

  19. Peter Patton

    JC

    I’m pretty well-informed, I’ve been around the traps, inside-out, and upside down, I’m well educated, I’m a smart guy. You know all this well enough. The fact I am knowledgeable about public issues and persons is no surprise to you. The REAL question is how does faggy old CL know M C-T is an RC? 😉

  20. JC

    Patton:

    You actually check to see a person’s religion? Really?

  21. Peter Patton

    Faggy old CL even used to go into bat for Lefty Kim and Luvvie Bahnisch. Guess why? Chop, chop, chop, chop. 😉

  22. Peter Patton

    JC

    Dude, I knew about M C-T years ago. And I now KNOW how twisted faggy old CL thinks.

  23. coz

    JC Patton:

    You actually check to see a person’s religion? Really?

    yeah, so do I, especially the jesuit network.

  24. coz

    left or right is indifferent to the blech pope, as long as his stooges are in control.

  25. Jumpnmcar

    Right, a conversation needs to be had as to why so many ALP folk have different surnames to their spouse.
    I recon it’s a deliberate ploy to avoid association.
    Albo,Plibersek,Bligh,Butler,Arbib, Conroy…..

    Why??

  26. He doesn’t go in to bat for me, Peter: a person somewhat more to the centre of politics than Mr Bahnisch.

  27. Peter Patton

    Watch out coz, you’ll get banned for ‘anti-religious bigotry’ – THE most exquisite ironic phrase I have ever read. 😉

  28. JC

    He doesn’t go in to bat for me, Peter: a person somewhat more to the centre of politics than Mr Bahnisch.

    There’s a good reason. Very few people like you stepford. Very , very few. But you know that already.

  29. Infidel Tiger

    You need to find a new coke dealer PP.

  30. You’re not coming on the escape pod with me, JC. You blather so much you probably can talk in vacuum anyway.

  31. JamesK

    Ann Counter on a really important election this weekend that the GOP and the nation can’t lose, but they very well may.

    Walker will win comfortbaly.

    Thare are large interstate funds going into Walker’s campaign from everyday Americans and Tea Partiers around the country.

    The Tea Party is still powerful as the run-off with Tea _artry favourite Ted Cruz in the GOP primary in Texas for the Senate is showing with

  32. JC

    Why??

    Dude, I used to think it was about being modern and all. You know, the metrosexual man and the fully liberated woman.

    However so many of them get charged with criminal activity that it could actually be a sort of insurance policy to avoid being tarred with the same brush.

    FFS, lets take a serious look at this. Plibs is married to a convicted heroin importer and she’s minister for health. Have you ever heard of anything more fucking absurdly ironic in your life.

  33. JC

    James

    walker needs at least 10% of the vote to break even against Demolition Party voter fraud. and with this election it could be as high as 15%, so theoretically it’s neck and neck… if you know what I mean.

  34. Fisky

    FFS, lets take a serious look at this. Plibs is married to a convicted heroin importer and she’s minister for health. Have you ever heard of anything more fucking absurdly ironic in your life.

    Soviet stooge Lee Rhiannon is the Greens spokeswoman for “democracy”.

  35. JC

    Stepford

    What Patton is saying is that he doesn’t quite like you either although he doesn’t like papists CL and Gab.

  36. JC

    Soviet stooge Lee Rhiannon is the Greens spokeswoman for “democracy”.

    Oh yea. It’s like the old Woody Allen movie about everything is opposite with these appalling people.

  37. coz

    thass right, you papists need to recant from the satanic cult.

  38. Infidel Tiger

    Soviet stooge Lee Rhiannon is the Greens spokeswoman for “democracy”.

    Yep. She’s against it.

  39. Sinclair Davidson

    PP is in moderation. Comments will be released at random when I check the moderation queue and/or the spam filter.

  40. Peter Patton

    IT

    You need to find a new coke dealer PP.

    Don’t we all pet? Got a number?

  41. C.L.

    Looks like Greens-preferencing Bob Brown disciple, Peter Patton – described memorably by Jason Soon as a “flaming old inner-city queer” – didn’t take Sinclair’s advice re medication.

  42. JamesK

    walker needs at least 10% of the vote to break even against Demolition Party voter fraud. and with this election it could be as high as 15%, so theoretically it’s neck and neck… if you know what I mean.

    Reince Priebus is the chairman of the Republican National Committee.

    He is also a previous chair of the Republican Party of Wisconsin and got Walker elected in the first place.

    The Dems aren’t gonna get away cheatring this one.

    Al Turd Franken’s cheat in 2008 will not be repeated

  43. coz

    ex doctors, you know how it is.

  44. C.L.

    He doesn’t go in to bat for me, Peter: a person somewhat more to the centre of politics than Mr Bahnisch.

    You’re an uber left-winger on almost everything, Steve. The Hi-Alanist ‘centrist’ act collapsed ages ago, you appalling clown.

  45. CL, you’ve missed Peter’s theory that we knew each other in real life. Rather amusing, I thought. He manages to get things wrong in almost as bad a fashion as you.

  46. C.L.

    You need to find a new coke dealer PP.

    It was at least entertaining when PP used to write about how he was stepping out for a night of drugs ‘n debauchery with other ageing Hall & Oates fans from the early 80s. They reminded me of poor old Vito and friends:

  47. coz

    well, if he’s in the ‘moderation’ queue, I have these vague memories of a locum at my GP’s in Potts Point who was an utter sleaze. Doesn’t mean I approve of papists though!

  48. coz

    oooh I’m in the moderation queue toooooo! musta struck a nerve.

    [Don’t know why that happened. Sinc]

  49. JamesK

    Haaretz:

    “Rather than describe how deeply I care about Israel, I want to be blunt about how we got here,” Obama said, reminding his guests that he had so many Jewish friends in Chicago at the beginning of his political career that he was accused of being a puppet of the Israel lobby.

    In the Senate, he said, his support for Israel’s qualitative military edge has been unwavering.

    Obama added that people judged his support for Israel because of the differences between a center right government in Israel and center-left in the U.S. – because he pressed Netanyahu too hard in his belief that it was time to seize the moment and pursue peace initiative.

    Obama also stressed he probably knows about Judaism more than any other president, because he read about it

    What a c-cks-cker Obummer is.

  50. Gab

    This didn’t appear to get much notice today:

    LABOR has spent billions of dollars on grants in breach of its own rules and without doing enough to ensure value for money, the Auditor-General has found in another study critical of the way Canberra hands out cash.

    More than two-thirds of federal spending programs went ahead without their guidelines being signed off as required by the standards introduced in the first months of the Rudd government.

    More than two-thirds of grant guidelines were drafted without any reference to value for money and almost two-thirds did not stipulate a competitive process to decide who got the money.

    Labor: Rorts’R’Us.

  51. Oh come on

    From what I’ve seen in the US press, the Dems have pretty much resigned themselves to a loss in Wisconsin. They’re all like “whether we win or lose, what matters is November”, which I read as ‘we’re fairly certain we’re not going to win here’; as opposed to “once more unto the breach dear comrades once more” which would indicate they’re confident.

  52. C.L.

    Oh yeah, JC. I forgot about Mr Plibersek having that job etc. Of course that’s another matter.

  53. candy

    secretly Ms Pilbersick is just admiring Mr Abbott’s looks. that’s why she had the posters up.

    if he was non-handsome, she wouldn’t bother putting them up. obviously.

  54. Gab

    True. can’t blame her for that. She is only human.

  55. JamesK

    Finally the pretence is lited at the NYT:

    Our Imbecilic Constitution

    Nearly 225 years later, critics across the spectrum call the American political system dysfunctional, even pathological. What they don’t mention, though, is the role of the Constitution itself in generating the pathology.

    Ignore, for discussion’s sake, the clauses that helped to entrench chattel slavery until it was eliminated by a brutal Civil War. Begin with the Senate and its assignment of equal voting power to California and Wyoming; Vermont and Texas; New York and North Dakota. Consider that, although a majority of Americans since World War II have registered opposition to the Electoral College, we will participate this year in yet another election that “battleground states” will dominate while the three largest states will be largely ignored.

    Our vaunted system of “separation of powers” and “checks and balances” — a legacy of the founders’ mistrust of “factions” — means that we rarely have anything that can truly be described as a “government.”

  56. Jarrah

    More than two-thirds of federal spending programs went ahead without their guidelines being signed off …

    More than two-thirds of grant guidelines were drafted without any reference to value for money and almost two-thirds did not stipulate a competitive process to decide who got the money.

    Holy hell. Is it too much to ask that governments exhibit some basic competence?

  57. Adam Kane

    Peter’s in moderation but not Mk50? Interesting.

  58. coz

    oooh I’m in the moderation queue toooooo! musta struck a nerve.

    [Don’t know why that happened. Sinc]

    oh ok.

  59. Also, honey-badgers.

    Spot, like Stanley?

    Quite so, Nilk.

    In fact after Western Australia secedes, we plan to have chain-smoking slim-jim-eating honey badgers patrol the newly-reinforced and nuclear-power-electrified rabbit proof fence, to keep all the Eastern States reffos out.

  60. C.L.

    James, it kind of is imbecilic how a president is elected – allegedly with a program to benefit the country – but also has to worry about the fate of his House colleagues just two years later. This is fine for ratcheting up expenditure (indeed, it drives the ratcheting up of expenditure) but it makes meaningful ensmallification of government – needed now as never before – almost impossible. In this sense, what the Founders envisaged regarding limited and constrained government is rendered not only impossible but actually antithetical to how the machinery works, in practice. Only the popularisation – and hence, electoral necessity – of limited government can alter this dynamic. And to achieve this requires that half of the population now on welfare to happily give it up for the greater good. Either that or the system crashes and burns and the polity is re-built, sans escalating ‘entitlements,’ from scratch. Maybe that’s what should have happened back in 2008.

  61. twostix

    Right, a conversation needs to be had as to why so many ALP folk have different surnames to their spouse.
    I recon it’s a deliberate ploy to avoid association.
    Albo,Plibersek,Bligh,Butler,Arbib, Conroy…..

    Don’t forget, Craig Thompson, Gai Brodtmann (Mrs Uhlmann), and dozens of others.

    The Labor party is now more like a sect or at best a class than a political party.

    The road into a seat in parliament in Labor is always exactly the same now: Uni ratbag politics -> union ratbag politics (either as an advisor or lawyer to a union) -> marriage to someone else inside the “movement” then find a way to lever yourself into a seat in parliament though less than honourable means (the only way to do so in Labor) then once in, jobs for the wife / hubby, the in laws and the kids (seriously, even cursory digging turns up dozens of these relations, it’s sick).

    So the reason for almost none of the newer technocrats taking their husbands name is that the “labor movement” is the most disgustingly nepotistic and incestuous organisation in Australia (seriously). Blood lines run thick, political marriages are the norm and it’d look a little obvious to the public that there’s something very wrong if you had Mr X (Senator), Mrs X (State MP), Ms X (union advisor), Mr Y (Fairfax reporter) and Mrs Y (union official) running around.

  62. Infidel Tiger

    Rudd and Beazley’s wives go by their maiden names too.

    Personally I think it’s shame. Would you want to be associated with that lot?

  63. Tom

    You don’t get it, Jazza. Twice a century, the infantile left gets control of the national treasury. Hundreds of billions of dollars of free money magically appears in our credit account that we can do what we like with. So it’s one big kids’ party for three years until the adults arrive home, punish the ring-leaders and have to clean up the disgusting mess.

  64. There must be cases by now of Mr X-Y and his wife Mrs A-B who have children and a puzzle as to what surname(s) they should have.

  65. JamesK

    James, it kind of is imbecilic how a president is elected

    I agree Cl but the main problem is that America has been post-costitutional for 40 years.

    The commerce clause has to redefined by the SCOTUS and made to mean what the Founder’s clearly intended as also the ridiculous interpretation of the right to privacy provision.

    The Tea Party is in for the long haul.

    Non-permanent ‘non-political-class’ GOP members of Congress/citizen legislators and the Senate will campaign to have less power.

    They’ll be called out as ‘extremists’ by the liar-steves of the world.

  66. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I don’t think its a deliberate attempt to confuse, I think it is just a reflection of the strange way in which they see the world. These people don’t give a stuff about nepotism or marriage and family. Every person is an ‘individual’ who is therefore not attached, by definition, and so above any criticism. They shriek loud and clear if ever any comment is made about such relationships. They hold to the doctrine of separation of pillows. Only one they know.

  67. Sinclair Davidson

    Steve – see Joshua Gans on the topic.

  68. James in Melbourne

    Twostix, loving your work.

    If it were only nepotism, it wouldn’t be so bad.

    But there is always, always financial shenanigans involving the public teat, or the union mammary. From their puerile student politics days, when they first get hold of the keys to the student union cookie-jar, it’s all they know – the defined-benefit parliamentary super is the prize, the end to which all the means leads.

  69. JC

    Can I suggest a tiny edit , jazzabelle?

    Is it too much to ask this government exhibit some basic competence?

  70. Feral Abacus

    Memo to Pliberdolt: G’Lard is against gay marriage and wants to ship boat people to Malaysia. Also your party brought in mandatory detention.

    So yeah, fuck you.

  71. Rudd and Beazley’s wives go by their maiden names too.

    It’s a protest against the patriarchal hegemony and its brutal repression of gender homogenisation as the natural order of classless society.

  72. coz

    Surely a sexual/romatic liasions directory between the political and ‘presstitute’ classes is overdue.

  73. Gosh: Joshua Gains was talking about baby naming on the second date? That’s optimism.

  74. C.L.

    If you want real lefty surname weirdness, go no further than Anna Bligh. She loathed her father (but kept his name on marrying Greg Withers but when they had children they were given the surname “Frances” – which was Bligh’s mother’s maiden name. The Bligh name was out because she considered her alcoholic father to be scum. (He was a troubled war veteran but that didn’t interest Anna). Withers was verboten because Bligh wanted to send a message that she was against patriarchy. So the solution was that her children would bear the surname of her grandfather. LOL.

  75. Feral Abacus

    It’s telling that Big Kim’s wife wanted to keep being an Annus rather than a Beazley.

  76. Adam Kane

    G’Lard is against gay marriage

    No, she’s not.
    She says she is, but everyone knows that’s just political expedience. Otherwise known as a fib.

  77. JC

    Gosh: Joshua Gains was talking about baby naming on the second date? That’s optimism.

    Weird, huh.

  78. coz

    Patrilineality is stupid.

  79. kae

    CL – re: A Bligh
    It certainly didn’t make her better at her job.

    Whatever that was.

  80. Infidel Tiger

    Patrilineality is stupid.

    It’s stood us in good stead for a few millenia, but what the hell, if a Barry can marry a Bruce who gives a shit?

  81. Feral Abacus

    G’Lard is against gay marriage

    No, she’s not.
    She says she is, but everyone knows that’s just political expedience. Otherwise known as a fib.

    Who knows. In her beloved Soviet Union they used to send people to gulags for being gay.

  82. Patrilineality is stupid

    spoken like a good beta, now run along while your women get to work on alpha c*ck.

  83. Irving, that’s stupidly and needlessly offensive, even if coz was a man, which she isn’t.

  84. Jarrah

    The surname trend is interesting. There are a lot of factors at work here. For example, I know several women whose professional practice before marriage meant it made sense to retain their maiden names. Then there is the natural progression away from the effacement of women that used to be the rule – remember Mr and Mrs John Smith? There are even men taking their wives’ surnames nowadays.

    A previous colleague of mine was an Australian man with a German name who married a Japanese woman. They had two children, and decided to use a Western first name and her Japanese surname for one, and a Japanese first name and his Western surname for the other.

  85. candy

    Ms Gillard will support change to the marriage act when a focus group poll reaches a certain percentage point of approval. That’s where it’s at for that lot.

  86. Andy Levy: “Basically I’m prepared to be the Braveheart of large sugary drinks.”

    More anti-Bloomberg backlash from Twitter here.

  87. Winston Smith

    Patrilineality is stupid.

    Only if it is not backed up by DNA proof.

    Winston now steps back and watches the Lesbians Against The Patriarchy froth at the mouth.

  88. Pickles

    And thus the natural order of things is restored Irving

  89. Winston Smith

    Steve, if you think that anyone is going to get into the B Ark with you, you’re mad.
    And no one likes you.
    Because you’re creepy.

  90. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Da Ape has had quite a few powerful positions and we do lots of cozy pillow talk. No-one in their right mind would (or should) ever hire me anywhere near his ambit. I’ve changed my name on marriage; people need to know and I probably need to be reminded to be very discrete. Lately I’ve been termed ‘the trophy wife’, satisfactorily pigeonholed as not in the picture, and it’s best if people see it that way. His new PA caught sight of me in the car window and told him “She’s very beautiful”. Perceptions, you see – all she could possibly see was some blonde hair and a pair of sunglasses.

    Sinclair, that Gans article was pathetic stuff; inner-city angst. The only reason children should not take a traditional patrilineal family name is if the family is seriously fractured in some way. Otherwise it is a clear signal of the loopy willingness of some parents to engage in experimentation with their kids headspace.

  91. candy

    I thought about asking to go into the B ARk, but
    it’s anti-Abbott for no good reason and spreading yucky rumours. can’t touch that.

  92. JC

    Jazzabelle

    I read you latest blog threads after I went there looking for the lambert stoush for a good laugh.

    The thread about free trade is pretty decent but I really don’t think you have your heart in it, as it seems to lack passion. It could be just an incorrect opinion I have, but there you go. However overall I’d give it a decent mark. C-

    Anyways, I really want to get to this point you raised in the thread. That idiot you refer to says:

    In the US median incomes have been nearly stagnant for three decades, and male incomes have been steadily declining.

    Your argument was:

    For some unknown reason, Davies has suddenly shifted from macroeconomic aggregates to inequality measures. Why he picks this, and not another equally important statistical category – like poverty levels, consumption levels, or the misery index – is unclear. Again, there is no context provided by Davies. No mention is made of the increase in benefits (effectively acting as pay increases), the shift from manufacturing to services that had been in progress since the 1950s, the greater competition from developing countries (to their enormous benefit), the increased premium to higher education, the decline in union numbers and influence, etc. No, it’s just more Big Shift reasoning.

    As you know, this is perhaps the most important bit of crap in the entire leftwing armory of swill when they are attacking free market economics… but whad about Da US inaquality for the past 30 years. Here’s what you need to also add in your attempt to shoot this crap down.

    Don’t obscure the fact that there actually was stagnant wages at the bottom for US workers. There actually is some kernel of truth to this. So don’t obfuscate like you normally do.

    However instead of da inaquality there was actually a very significant move towards equality when one considers the number of people that arrived in the US from poor countries such as mexico. In other words their move and subsequent employment in the US actually reduced da inadaulity in the world.

    Secondly and more importantly, ask these no hoper friends of yours on the left if they knew US aggregate total factor* income rose in the US during that period for the bottom 20% or so. It rose enormously in real terms despite the immigration shock of of perhaps 12 million illegals roughly constant number over the period), which in a nation with a 100 million workers is pretty fucking significant in the bottom 20%.

    Just helping you out here.

    * what the Americans refer to as total cost of a hire.

  93. twostix

    Kids want to share the same family name as their parents. It makes them feel like part of something.

    The mrs and I aren’t married and the other day, teaching our boys their whole names (3 & 4) they asked with a little sadness why they, dad, grandma, grandpa, and great nanna are twostix but mum isn’t. Suddenly I find the topic of marriage on the front burner again.

    People (who are invariably from boring stable middleclass homes themselves) who now want to play ill thought out trendy social engineering games with their kids are fucked in the head.

  94. splatacrobat

    Double barrelled names give me the shits.They don’t make the lines on dole forms long enough to write Jaiden-Leigh Cholmondley-Warner.

  95. Quentin George

    I don’t even think steve is going to be lucky enough to command on the B Ark, not with all those telephone sanitisers around.

  96. twostix

    I will also say that this stupid bullshit surname business is limited almost exclusively to the white collar middle class.

    Nobody else cares.

  97. JC

    People (who are invariably from boring stable middleclass homes themselves) who now want to play ill thought out trendy social engineering games with their kids are fucked in the head.

    Normally it would be a beta male in disguise pretending to have metrosexual slickness that’s involved in this stuff. It would be good to bring back the guillotine from time to time as a way of improving the gene pool.

  98. Gab

    Coz how can you be banned if your comment appears? Tell me how that works please.

  99. coz

    Matrineality can never be in doubt. Patrineality is bogus.

  100. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Suddenly I find the topic of marriage on the front burner again.

    Time for Wedding Bells, twostix? A great excuse for a good party time. You are right. Kids like to feel part of something whole and important, like a named family.

  101. JC

    Coz how can you be banned if your comment appears? Tell me how that works please.

    Gab

    I think the idiot is hitting the shift key instead of return by mistake and doesn’t see it going through and therefore thinks s/he’s banned.

  102. If young adults these days don’t give much of a hoot about the cultural, anthropological and biological history of “marriage” such that they think that of course same sex partners should be entitled to have a wedding, then one should hardly be surprised that they are willing to be innovative in terms of surnames for children, too.

    The latter is much less culturally significant than the former, by the way, and you have to be pretty stupid to think that it is only young “beta males” who will negotiate about kid’s surnames now.

  103. coz

    I tried to make two or three posts in this matrineality discussion and got a ‘your email address is not valid’ response. Essentially 3 of my posts were deleted.

  104. Gab

    Pity the poor kid with surname Gillard in these times.

  105. Infidel Tiger

    There are even men taking their wives’ surnames nowadays.

    No there aren’t.

  106. Gab

    ‘your email address is not valid’

    perhaps typed incorrectly? you appear to be using two different emails?

  107. candy

    Mrs Steve and Mr Gillard?

  108. JC

    Your posts were deleted because you’re an imbecile, Coz, not because you’ve been banned like you ought to be, you half wit.

    You got the message:‘your email address is not valid’

    … because you forgot to add the @ part in the address or left a space where you shouldn’t. Then, instead of back paging with the arrow, you must have gone forward and lost the entire thing.

    And if you thought you were banned why are you even posting comments that you’re banned, you idiot.

  109. Sinclair Davidson

    Coz – I can’t find your comments.

  110. pretty stupid to think that it is only young “beta males”

    I will defer to your seemingly deep knowledge of beta males steve, you mean the ones running around with chic’s hairdos?

  111. coz

    Obviously I checked the email address for errors, there were none. I got better things to do and other places to go than people who can’t cope with challenges.

  112. JC

    Coz – I can’t find your comments.

    Don’t even bother and waste you’re time. The maroon lost them like I explained.

  113. Gab

    ignore my comment in moderation, Sinclair. Thank you.

  114. JC

    Obviously I checked the email address for errors, there were none.

    Yes there were, otherwise you wouldn’t be getting that error message.

    I got better things to do and other places to go than people who can’t cope with challenges.

    You’re the only one who seems challenged.

  115. you mean the ones running around with chic’s hairdos?

    How old r u Irving? Haven’t quite got over the loss of short back and sides in the 70’s yet? Or are you like CL, and have a 70 year old soul trapped in a body decades younger?

  116. jtfsoon

    Porn actor wanted for mailing body parts to Canadian Conservative party HQ.

    WTF???

    http://www.smh.com.au/world/porn-actor-wanted-over-body-parts-in-the-mail-20120531-1zkbk.html

    There are a lot of weird crimes these days what with the face eating and now this

  117. go than people who can’t cope with challenges

    jesus christ what a 3rd rate troll! where are the usual suspects?

  118. twostix

    Time for Wedding Bells, twostix? A great excuse for a good party time. You are right. Kids like to feel part of something whole and important, like a named family.

    It’s been a good run – 6 years but alas the times are a changing and now this mans better half (who just a few short years ago agreed on the needlessless of marriage) is now rejecting the ancient anti-marriage culture handed down to us and demanding, demanding! that we be wed.

    Today we find out that two other mutual friends are having the same mini counter-revolutions.

    Uncivilised radicals, the lot of them.

  119. Reason Magazine: The U.S. government created the obesity epidemic that it’s now trying to fix.

    And the last two paras echo what many here have been trying to explain to the likes of Steve, who challenged at 6:16pm “Do libertarian types have any ideas at all to suggest for the reduction of the rates of obesity?”

    Yet there are genuine costs induced by illnesses resulting from obesity, such as diabetes. And the government does spend billions of dollars – principally through Medicaid and Medicare – to treat them. Since Jones is being forced to pay for Smith’s medical care, goes the argument, Smith should be forced to stay fit and trim, lest he become a burden on Jones. And since he cannot be expected to do so on his own – owing to “obesogenic” factors and whatnot – he should be made to. Even through compulsory exercise, if that is what it takes.

    Of course the coercionaries could leave Smith alone, if they simply left Jones alone too. But this solution never seems to occur to them, does it? And why should it? It would require a certain degree of humility and restraint. Besides, they already know the solution: In the event of any government failure, apply more government directly to the wound.

    So there ya go.

    Now get yer paws off my Big Gulp.

  120. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    this matrineality discussion

    Coz, even strong matrilineal societies are mostly patrivirilocal (in various permutations and combinations) in their residence arrangements.

    For the uninitiated, the lineal relationship goes from mother’s brother to sister’s son, but the child lives with the father’s people (technically non-related in a strict matrilineal society) until a mature age, when he goes to join his matrilineal group and take control of resources there. He brings his wife into this locality, although his and her biological children belong to her brother rather than to him; thus his biological children remove themselves to his wife’s locality at maturity and his inheritors, his sister’s children, move into his locality to join him, as he is their mother’s brother. The mother’s brother is thus a significant male other indeed to the sister’s son.

    Such systems demonstrate that even if an attempt is made to trace matrilineal descent, the over-riding social impulse tends to be to allow men to keep control of and power over inherited resources. It is not given to women merely by dint of biological tracing of descent. Human societies developed with men in a dominant role; get used to it, Coz.

  121. Jessie

    John H 30 May @2.52pm
    ‘Well if those dumb ass ideologues starting thinking about this issue in relation to human developmental dynamics they might begin to realise that rants about rights have little to do with improving the plight of aboriginal children.

    I am surprised that Prof Fiona Stanley a long time researcher on child development, Australian of the Year, Director of Telethon Institute of Child Development and ABC Board Member has not spoken out about this heinous activity in a child’s development and the effect over generations of children [and of research]. Full stop.

    It may sound crazy, after this research career, to become a sort of mini-bureaucrat, but it set up my networks and databases all over Western Australia. I was very disappointed that I hadn’t got a research job, but in my two years there I met every midwife in Western Australia and I was able to revamp the entire midwives database, I was able to link it with all perinatal and infant deaths, I was able to actually start my research – and research infrastructure, if you like.’1977 The Long Path to Career Security

  122. Lazlo

    What a load of crap sfb. This is a grown-ups site – people who have born and bred children. You have no idea. Why don’t you fuck off to some adolescent playground. There’s a good boy…

  123. JC

    God I love these currency markets finally. Short the euro, go to the gym, talk stuff over the web about the uselessness of the morons in the Liars party. Remind Stepford he’s an omega male who in an earlier life would have been destined for servitude. Then in the afternoon cover the position, wait for the Euroweenies to come in and bid it up and then short again.

  124. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Uncivilised radicals, the lot of them.

    Hearty congratulations to all of them, twostix. A triple wedding coming up! One better than the end of the TV Pride and Prejudice.

  125. coz

    Lizzie B
    get used to it, Coz.

    No, it’s unGodly, satanic even, the hatred and contempt of women. Only satanic types ‘get used to it’.

  126. Gab

    lol great to see you back here, Coz. You liven things up.

  127. See? It worked.

    Always listen to the Dog.

  128. Lazlo

    Great JC. How do I get you to work for my super fund?

  129. twostix

    The latter is much less culturally significant than the former, by the way, and you have to be pretty stupid to think that it is only young “beta males” who will negotiate about kid’s surnames now.

    Of all the issues here Steve this is one that I actually expected you to make a slight defence of. I’m sure your kids have your last name.

    But no, if the “young people” are doing it, (or what you can glean young people are doing from reading The Drum and The Age) you’re totally down with it.

    Why? Because you’re midlife Steve and you’re, like, totally hip to the young people’s cause duuuude.

  130. JC

    Big night tomorrow and in July too. However I think tomorrow evening our time will basically determine the course of the November election.

    US payroll stats come out. If they are disappointing the Kenyan is cooked as I think it will be too late for him providing Romney understands the significance and mortally wounds him throughout June. Even if the numbers come out ok in the following months Romney will have built up the big momentum that won’t allow the Kenyan to recover.

    I think the election for Romney could be decided tomorrow evening.

  131. JamesK

    The Telegraph: Insurer Euler Hermes suspends cover on exports to Greece

    Euler Hermes, which is majority owned by the German insurer Allianz, is acting on fears that the stricken eurozone member may be forced out of the single currency, limiting the ability of Greek importers to pay their bills.

    “Euler Hermes has decided no longer to cover deliveries to Greece for the foreseeable future,” a spokesman said.

    The company said existing contracts would be honoured but no new Greek business would be underwritten.

  132. JC

    Great JC. How do I get you to work for my super fund?

    You don’t lazlo. I booted my clients about a year ago. Don’t want any. Ungrateful pigs they are.

  133. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Well coz, I don’t bring religion into it. Not my bag.

    Hatred and contempt of women is despicable, I agree. But trying to remake the world in the image of something that it patently is not, as in 70’s domineering and separatist feminism and the current flow-on from it in naming nonsense and such – that is inviting the combination of a bashed head against a brick wall.

    There are better ways to recognise and civilise the world for women, which is not an impossible project, in fact, it is quite achievable. These ways come from the wisdom of women’s lived experiences and from recognizing how different we are from men, as well as pointing out our advantages and similarities. The starting point is to agree that both men and women historically have much that they could be bitter about, and to move on from that without descending into bile at men or complete rejection of social conventions that have proven their utility.

  134. JamesK

    The Telegraph: Only the ECB can save the euro now
    Do the single currency’s 17 members sincerely want to save the euro?

    “Yes,” their governments all reply in unison, though, judging by the latest polls, many of their electorates are less than sure. According to Pew Research, 40pc of Italians want to return to the lira, while, in France and Spain, more people now think the euro has been bad than good.

    That’s a huge turnaround from just two years ago. Support for the single currency is fast ebbing away. To the extent that it still exists at all, it seems wholly dependent on fear of what might happen if and when things fall apart.

    Monetary union has become like an inoperable tumour; few now embrace it with any enthusiasm, but it seems impossible to remove for fear of the potentially fatal consequences.

    Events are fast moving beyond the control of policymakers. As Spain’s elder statesman, Felipe Gonzalez, has said, “we’re in a situration of total emergency, the worst crisis we have ever lived through”. Policy makers are like rabbits in the headlights, apparently unequal to the scale of the banking crisis in their midst. If something else doesn’t derail the single currency first, it will soon fall to popular insurgency.

  135. Lazlo

    That would be super fund pigs you booted?

  136. JamesK

    BBC: Doctors in Britain Going on Strike
    They don’t want their retirement age raised from 65 to 68.

  137. JC

    James

    I saw that Pew stuff earlier. however I think it’s bit of a follower in the sense that if the economy was looking better in the EU the weenies would all be talking the Euro up. So it’s a bad indicator I think. It’s how people will vote that’s important, I reckon.

    ————-

    If anyone feels deliriously happy at the moment for some reason, there’s Society General’s Albert Edwards to send you on suicide watch. This fucker even gets me shitting in my dacks at times. His macro stuff sends me into a fetal position.

    ALBERT EDWARDS: HAHAHAHA, The Bulls Aren’t Laughing Anymore, The Stock Market Will Collapse And All Hope Will Be Lost

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/albert-edwards-nobody-is-laughing-at-me-anymore-the-stock-market-will-collapse-and-all-hope-will-be-lost-2012-5#ixzz1wS8ggn50

  138. JamesK

    WSJ: Wisconsin Unions See Ranks Drop Ahead of Recall Vote

    Public-employee unions in Wisconsin have experienced a dramatic drop in membership—by more than half for the second-biggest union—since a law championed by Republican Gov. Scott Walker sharply curtailed their ability to bargain over wages and working conditions.

    Now with Mr. Walker facing a recall vote Tuesday, voters will decide whether his policies in the centrist state should continue—or whether they have gone too far.

    The election could mark a pivot point for organized labor.

  139. This is a grown-ups site – people who have born and bred children. You have no idea. Why don’t you fuck off to some adolescent playground. There’s a good boy…

    My gosh, people are making idiots of themselves tonight. More so than usual, I mean.

    First it was Irving telling coz she was a beta male whose women who be off to service the alphas (like Irving and Lazlo I assume.)

    Now it’s me being a non breeding adolescent, even when it was only yesterday I referred to my first born in 2000.

    Look you ignorant twit – I like it when women take the husband’s name, and the kids do too. (Even though I doubt it’s going to corrode society if parents do something else but provide a stable and happy home for their kids.) I am against gay marriage, but actually think the rot set in when de facto heterosexual partnering was given the same legal status as marriage (and becoming a parent via IVF and artificial insemination became completely unremarkable as well, leading to the idea that anyone can “manufacture” a biological family.)

    I’m actually more conservatively inclined than anyone here who prattles on about “beta males” but has been in a de facto relationship.

    What I am showing up is that the criticisms made here on socio/political/sexual grounds (such as “it’s only beta males who would agree to their kids not having their name; all “progessive” are beta males with girly hair, if not actually gay) are just ludicrously out of touch with any proper understanding of cultural change, and really an embarrassing advertisement for social conservatism.

  140. JC

    Yes there is a satan and it’s Albert Edwards.

  141. JC

    That would be super fund pigs you booted?

    No, a gaggle or greedy miserable wealthy dudes.

  142. Lazlo

    The Euro is doomed as a project. It is as inherently unsound as Emissions Trading, and derives from the same elites. But Europe is becoming globally irrelevant. It will be like discussing Scottish independence in a couple of decades.

    It’s not a matter of if, but when (subject of entertaining debate around here nonetheless)

  143. JamesK

    the Japanfication of western economies

    Love that…

    Still there is no question of the trend change in opinion on the euro, JC.

    The euoweenie leaders are used to making decisions without regard to the will of the people.

    Why would they change now?

  144. Nicked yourself whilst man-scaping again, Steve?

  145. such as “it’s only beta males who would agree to their kids not having their name

    yep

    all “progessive” are beta males

    except for the wannabe dictators

    proper understanding of cultural change

    the corrosive effect of cultural socialism on the family, morals and ethics.

    social conservatism

    wrong blog

  146. JamesK

    Gosh!…like liar-stevefb™ is like….gosh… like soo more conservatively minded than like anybody else here on the Cat despite being a lying beta…

    Like roooly…gosh!

  147. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Rub some bacon on it, Steve. sdog’s universal cure-all. Very funny vid.

  148. JC

    and Satan actually spoke about Australia back in May.

    ALBERT EDWARDS: This Is The Biggest Bubble In Recent History, And It’s Heading For The Mother Of All Hard Landings.

    So what’s Edwards’ big complaint with Australia?

    Because Australia has gone so long without a recession, everyone has been convinced that it’s managed by geniuses, and that the economy there is solved. This is classic bubble thinking.
    But Australia has telltale signs of a bubble.
    5 of the world’s most expensive cities are now in Australia (Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Brisbane, and Perth).
    Not one Australian city falls into traditional measures of “affordability.”
    The entire Australian economy is premised on the wheels not coming off China.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/albert-edwards-australia-is-the-biggest-bubble-in-recent-history-2012-5?nr_email_referer=1#ixzz1wSC1VEao

  149. coz

    ell coz, I don’t bring religion into it. Not my bag.

    Hatred and contempt of women is despicable, I agree. But trying to remake the world in the image of something that it patently is not, as in 70?s domineering and separatist feminism and the current flow-on from it in naming nonsense and such – that is inviting the combination of a bashed head against a brick wall.

    Lizziw There are better ways to recognise and civilise the world for women, which is not an impossible project, in fact, it is quite achievable. These ways come from the wisdom of women’s lived experiences and from recognizing how different we are from men, as well as pointing out our advantages and similarities. The starting point is to agree that both men and women historically have much that they could be bitter about, and to move on from that without descending into bile at men or complete rejection of social conventions that have proven their utility.

    Unfortunately for the godforsaken, no, that is not how it works, I’m sure the heathens would offer you employment or status based on your ‘opinyuns’ and after all, we are governed by heathens. Despite my many anti-catholic statements, I have more in common with catholics than I do ‘humanists’.

  150. Gab

    The starting point is to agree that both men and women historically have much that they could be bitter about, and to move on from that without descending into bile at men or complete rejection of social conventions that have proven their utility.

    Hear, hear. Well said, Lizzie.

    Sense and sensibility.

  151. coz

    ^
    got the formatting wrong. My comment is only in the last para.

  152. Lazlo

    Sorry to tell you Steve, but you still have a lot of growing up to do..

  153. coz

    I’m not into this ‘we’re all in it together BS’. One is either with God or not.

  154. entropy

    The intermarriage thing in the ALp is relatively easily explained if you look at it from the perspective of a minority religion. They go off on camps and conferences together from a young age, Just like you would in some Pentecostal movement. You can imagine the young Paul Howes at 15 getting all excited about his “camp girlfriend”.

    Look at Bob Ellis. Brought up as a strict Seventh Day Adventist. Goes to uni and abandons his religion. But as he is culturally religious, his abandoned religion is completely substituted with the ALP. What a tragic bastard.

  155. Token

    Sorry to tell you Steve, but you still have a lot of growing up to do..

    With Lazlo and IT mentoring you Steve, you may have a chance to be cured by 2030.

  156. twostix

    I’m actually more conservatively inclined than anyone here who prattles on about “beta males” but has been in a de facto relationship.

    What does this even mean?

    I thought we talked about you giving up the “Hi I’m Steve and I’m a conservative” routine.

  157. C.L.

    you have to be pretty stupid to think that it is only young “beta males” who will negotiate about kid’s surnames now.

    No no. Only a severely testosterone-challenged weakling would allow his children to have anyone’s surname but his own.

  158. JamesK

    Good for OZ:

    WSJ: Seattle Challenges Coal-Export Plans

    Seattle this week became the latest Northwest city to challenge the export of U.S. coal to Asia, as its City Council declared opposition to moving coal through the city…….

    “Seattle has a commitment to fight climate change and become a carbon neutral city by 2050,” said council member Mike O’Brien, chair of the Energy and Environment Committee and prime sponsor of the resolution.

  159. Gab

    I’m actually more conservatively inclined than anyone here

    No. What you have is a moralist stick up your whatsit, you fascist.
    Nothing personal, of course.

  160. Infidel Tiger

    Steve, if you don’t pipe down I’ll make you read a German translation of Atlas Shrugged at tomorrow’s class.

  161. JamesK

    WSJ: Car Battery Start-Ups Fizzle
    Armed With $1.26 Billion in U.S. Grants, Firms Opened Nine Factories; Jobs and Production Lag Goals

    Since 2009, the Obama administration has awarded more than $1 billion to American companies to make advanced batteries for electric vehicles. Halfway to a six-year goal of producing one million electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles, auto makers are barely at 50,000 cars……

    All told, the administration awarded $1.26 billion in matching grants toward the construction of these plants with the promise of creating more than 6,400 jobs. To date, the companies have spent about two-thirds of the total and have hired about 2,000 workers.

    Bryan Hansel, chief executive of Smith Electric Vehicles Inc., a Kansas City, Mo., maker of electric delivery vans that use A123 batteries, said battery manufacturing capacity is “overbuilt substantially” right now, and suggested battery makers will struggle during the next two years.

  162. JC

    The Kenyan’s goose is about to be cooked.

    There’s an employment indicator released the Thursday before first Friday of the month payrolls data and it was light.

    Also first quarter GDP was revised down to a miserable 1.9%. Although the relationship between the Thurs and Fri employement data points can at times be quite divergent, the numbers coming out have been disappoining setting the stage for tomorrow’s number.

    Anal(syts) would be right now revising down their forecasts for payrolls.

    All this shit will be over the news tonight in the US.

    Romney “knows how to kill well” and he needs to move in for the kill. This is the moment as I’m sure his campaign knows.

    Go Mitt. Take the fucker out of the game.

  163. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Coz, I respect your religious feelings, but I reject your making these feelings the totality of your arguments.

    On formatting – highlight and then copy (control + c) the words you wish to comment on, go to the comment box and firstly press b-quote, then paste in the words (control + v), and immediately after them, press b-quote again.

    Press enter twice to move your cursor down to the next para. Then start to write your comment.

    This works for me.

  164. JamesK

    Fun lefty Micky Kaus:

    Obama’s instantaneous embrace of Nutting’s chart–a calculation so absurd even Ezra Klein tried to change the subject, since (among other things) it attributes all but $140 billion of increased 2009 spending most of Obama’s $800+ billion stimulus to Bush, while giving Obama credit for the repayment of Bush’s TARP loans***–raises an interesting pair of possibilities:

    a) Does Obama really not have an intuitive feeling for how much he’s been spending? That’s a little like not remembering how much sex you’re having. He’s the one doing the spending, after all. Even if he wasn’t, you’d think an ordinary BS detector would kick in. It’s one thing to expect MSNBC viewers to be credulous. It’s another thing …

    or

    b) Obama doesn’t care if it’s BS as long as it might work.**

  165. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Hot milk time. Plus a spoonful of honey, I think. Milk contains tryptophanes which induce a good sleep. Honey is readily absorbed glucose, which also helps sleep. Biblical land of milk and honey – nomadic pastoralists living off live cattle and wild bees. Judeo-Christian culture is old and still going. Well done, I guess.

  166. coz

    Ebtropy

    Look at Bob Ellis. Brought up as a strict Seventh Day Adventist. Goes to uni and abandons his religion. But as he is culturally religious, his abandoned religion is completely substituted with the ALP. What a tragic bastard.

    weally? I didn’t know Bob was SDA background. Interesting.

  167. coz

    LizB Coz, I respect your religious feelings, but I reject your making these feelings the totality of your arguments.

    Then you are with satan, obviously.

  168. Gab

    hahahahaha. You crack em up, coz.

  169. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Yep coz. Satanic Verses.

    Put me on your hit list.

  170. twostix

    Good grief, has it been a month already? The Telegraph is running its monthly front page anti-gun hysteria:

    Fears that NSW is under the gun

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/fears-that-nsw-is-under-the-gun/story-fn7y9brv-1226377827009

    Look DT, we’ve got the toughest gun laws in the western world. Stop being such a bunch of sooks.

  171. Um, I think someone should make the observation that a past experience indicates that it may not be the best idea to dwell on religion in discussions with coz….

  172. JamesK

    Klein is no fan of Romney and I think he’s correct

  173. coz

    well that’s how it is folks, one is either with God or with satan, there is no middle ground, no neutrality, just enormous numbers of people trying to pretend there is some middle ground/humanist/neutral position. I am not deceived.

  174. Gab

    Why, Steve? Coz’s not vitriolic nor does she fly into a spittle-flecked rage. She’s not being nasty, merely expressing her opinion. But you’re right, you don’t have to engage. No one has a gun to your head.

  175. JamesK

    The utterly brilliant John Yoo at NRO in yet another take-down of yet more Obummer & NYT hypocrisies:

    Lastly, if President Obama is picking targets, and has no military background or experience, one is left to ask what criteria the president does use. The laughable answer given in the Times piece is that Obama is a student of Aquinas and Augustine and Catholic just-war theory. I hate to say it, but I wonder whether this was proffered because of the Obama administration’s terrible relations with Catholics right now, because I saw no signs in the article that Obama is in the least bit familiar with Catholic just-war theory, and his background of teaching and practicing civil-rights and constitutional law in Chicago would never have exposed him to it. As someone who has spent some time reading, thinking, and even (right now) writing about Catholic just-war theory, it could actually lead to a much broader use of drones than Obama contemplates (which is the opposite of the article’s thrust) or it is just irrelevant to the modern just-war theory. But in either case, the idea that Obama is applying Catholic just-war theory to pick out drone targets is simply not believable or deeply mistaken.

  176. C.L.

    Honey and milk in the sublime Song of Songs, 4: 9-11.

    You ravish my heart,
    my sister, my promised bride,
    you ravish my heart
    with a single one of your glances,
    with one single pearl of your necklace.
    What spells lie in your love,
    my sister, my promised bride!
    How delicious is your love, more delicious than wine! How fragrant your perfumes,
    more fragrant than all other spices!
    Your lips, my promised one,
    distil wild honey.
    Honey and milk are under your tongue;
    and the scent of your garments is like the scent of Lebanon.

  177. Jarrah

    “No there aren’t.”

    Ever heard of The White Stripes, Infidel?

  178. Les Majesty

    The Currency Lad channelling Phil… Creepy.

  179. Gab

    Have you no sense of romance, Les?
    Sad.

  180. JC

    Hey Les

    Where’s Trannie phil these days as I haven’t seen him show up at Bird’s site. Did they have a falling out?

  181. Infidel Tiger

    Ever heard of The White Stripes, Infidel?

    Yep. Elephant is a great album.

    However, no man in history has every taken his wife’s name.

  182. JamesK

    Maybe ‘steve’ is short for Stepahnie?

  183. C.L.

    The Song of Songs is “creepy” says one half of the Steve/Les bromance. LOL.

    Crisps and red cordial are under your tongue, my bro – my promised one;
    And the scent of your overalls is like the scent of Pinkenba.

    ———————————————

    Really, Dennis – ya think?

    JULIA Gillard’s plan to lift Labor’s deplorable support, become competitive electorally and shore up her own leadership is an admirably simple political message, if not pretty in its aim and execution.

    Labor is embarking on a brutally simple campaign to buy votes and belt Tony Abbott.

    And get this:

    One letter, already distributed in Sydney electorates, hammers the cash being handed out and says: “You have just received some extra money with your payment from the Australian government. It’s money now to help with household costs when the carbon price starts on July 1, 2012. This advance is just the start – there’s more to come. The cash you just received is a lump sum to help now, and over the coming months.”

  184. Jarrah

    “However, no man in history has every taken his wife’s name.”

    So Jack White isn’t a man?

  185. Infidel Tiger

    So Jack White isn’t a man?

    Biologically it’s possible I guess.

  186. twostix

    So Jack White isn’t a man?

    This would be the Jack and Meg White who publically insisted that they are brother and sister.

    Good example.

  187. JC

    Jazz

    You haven’t recovered since your suggestion that the US healthcare system was worse that Mauritania. You;re sill digging.

    Le us know when you’ve reach Beijing.

  188. Jarrah

    Jack White is simply one I thought you might have heard of, IT. The rest aren’t so famous, but the small number that have gone that way is growing. Who cares, anyway. People can call themselves whatever they want.

  189. Jarrah

    Jeremy, you haven’t recovered since your insistence that the US healthcare system was “second to none”. One of the half-dozen times in the history of Catallaxy you’ve tried to enter a discussion and actually contribute, and you screw it up. No wonder you’re so bitter.

  190. JC

    W

    ho cares, anyway.

    You do.

    How about the grief you gave people when you changed for fat fingers and being called jazzabelle.

  191. JC

    And i was right, jazz. The US system is second to none. The insurance method is shitty but not the system. Like most lefties you get both things confused to suggest they are the same.

    One of the half-dozen times in the history of Catallaxy you’ve tried to enter a discussion and actually contribute, and you screw it up

    Jack White?

  192. JC

    Fuuuck

    Capital flight from Spain hits record $66bn
    Spaniards alarmed by the dire state of their banks are squirreling money abroad at the fastest rate since records began, figures showed on Thursday, and the credit ratings of eight regions were cut.

  193. perturbed

    “However, no man in history has every taken his wife’s name.”

    John Winston Ono Lennon.

  194. Oh come on

    The jury’s out on the precise relationship – past and present – between those two, Jarrah and twostix. And that’s clearly by design.

    At best, they’re the exception that proves the rule. (I love the glorious irrationality of that canard)

  195. C.L.

    Who cares, anyway. People can call themselves whatever they want.

    Not legally, they can’t.

    Prohibited names

    The Registrar may refuse to register a prohibited name. A prohibited name is:

    ? an obscene or offensive name; or
    ? a name the registration of which would not be practicable because it is too long, consists of symbols or includes symbols with no phonetic significance, or for some other reason; or
    ? a name the registration of which is against the public interest.

  196. JC

    Anyone see this. It’s pretty big. Former black Caucus member leave the Demolition Party and joins the Republicans citing that the Demolitionists are now too extreme.

    Artur Davis switches from Democratic to Republican party

    It’s official: Former Democratic Alabama House member and gubernatorial candidate Artur Davis is becoming a Republican and laying the groundwork for a potential political future in Virginia.

    “If I were to run, it would be as a Republican,” he wrote on his Web site. “And I am in the process of changing my voter registration from Alabama to Virginia, a development which likely does represent a closing of one chapter and perhaps the opening of another.”

    Davis added that he has been approached about running for a House seat in Northern Virginia in 2014 or 2016 or the Virginia state legislature in 2015. As The Fix reported earlier this month, he could run against Rep. Gerry Connolly (D).

    “I welcome this development,” Connolly said of the possibility on MSNBC last Friday. “The fact that they feel they need to recruit a former Democrat from Alabama who does not yet live in our district is a very welcome development, and I look forward to debating him.”

    Since losing the 2010 gubernatorial primary in Alabama by a wide margin, the moderate Davis has become a critic of his own party and broken with Democrats on a number of high-profile issues, including voter ID laws.

    The Republican Party, Davis said in his statement, “is fighting the drift in this country in a way that comes closest to my way of thinking: wearing a Democratic label no longer matches what I know about my country and its possibilities.”
    The Alabama Democratic Party in particular, he says, “has weakened and lost faith with more and more Alabamians every year.”

  197. C.L.

    War on women:

    American ABC is reporting that Obama supports killing female babies…

    TAPPER: The House is, I think, this afternoon preparing to take up a bill that would ban gender selection as a factor in abortions in this country. And I was wondering — I haven’t a statement of administration policy; I was wondering if the White House had a position on that?

    CARNEY: I will have to take that as well. Been focused on other things, but I will get back to you.

    Note: The White House got back to me this evening to say the president opposes the bill.

    White House deputy press secretary Jamie Smith says in a statement: “The Administration opposes gender discrimination in all forms, but the end result of this legislation would be to subject doctors to criminal prosecution if they fail to determine the motivations behind a very personal and private decision. The government should not intrude in medical decisions or private family matters in this way.”

    -Jake Tapper

    What an evil douchebag.

  198. JamesK

    Another:

    Penn. Democratic leader defects to GOP, cites Catholic faith as reason

    The defection of a prominent Pennsylvania Democrat to the Republican Party is raising some eyebrows.

    Jo Ann Nardelli, a state committeewoman and founding president of the Blair County Federation of Democratic Women, has switched her political affiliation to the GOP, citing her Catholic faith and President Obama’s embrace of gay marriage as reasons.

  199. Oh come on

    Don’t worry. The MSM will spin this as a deliberate ploy by political genius Obama and his crack team of campaign managers and advisors to cunningly engineer this defection to distract attention away from the fact that they’re all a bunch of utter morons um that Obama’s policies have failed abysmally – again er that there was some negative economic data released recently.

  200. JC

    Pretty soon we’ll be hearing about Romney’s relentless negativity as the reason the Kenyan is looking like he;ll lose.

  201. JamesK

    Planned Parenthood: We Won’t Deny Women Sex-Selection Abortions

    “The world’s leading women’s health and rights organizations, including the World Health Organization, do not believe that curtailing access to abortion services is a legitimate means of addressing sex selection, and have made clear that gender bias can only be resolved by addressing the underlying conditions that lead to it. And we agree. We support efforts that ensure girls and women have access to economic opportunity, including fair wages, basic health care, political participation, education, and a life free of violence and discrimination. Planned Parenthood works to ensure women and their families have access to high-quality nonjudgmental health services free of coercion, supported by information and counseling.”

  202. C.L.

    Artur Davis is becoming a Republican and laying the groundwork for a potential political future in Virginia…

    Wow. They’re really jumping ship.

    The Hill reports on more desperation:

    Team Obama to donors: Get off sidelines and send cash now.

    Send cash now! They sound like freshmen uni students who forgot to put some money away for the rent. LOL.

    Obama’s campaign has worried for months about going up against groups affiliated with GOP operative Karl Rove and billionaires David and Charles Koch. They’re desperate to avoid falling far behind in a campaign cash arms race expected to shatter old fundraising records.

    “It makes us nauseous just thinking about all that money,” the Democrat added.

    I didn’t back Romney in the primaries but I’ve got to admit, this Mormon bastard is a nightmare for these amateur-hour clowns.

  203. JamesK

    Nasty stupid Dem black leftist Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee on MSNBC:

    “Well, Thomas, I think the next act be dragging women out of patient rooms into the streets and screaming over their bodies as they get dragged out of getting access to women’s health care. That’s what I feel like is occurring today with the legislation that is on the floor”

  204. JamesK

    Link if you can stomach the nasty stupid cow

  205. JC

    The gender selection issue in the abortion debate is going to wreck the Dems even more. This is one issue that will anger the fuck out of people.

    I can’t believe the demolition allies are playing this up. Unbelievable.

  206. JamesK

    NRO Corner: A Result in Search of a Rationale

    This morning a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit issued an opinion holding the Federal Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional. The court rejected the implausible argument of the trial court that that principles of federalism prevented Congress from defining terms used in federal law. It also declined the invitation to treat a law that considers the category of “sexual orientation” as equivalent to race (i.e. by employing strict or intermediate scrutiny judicial review). The court very clearly says that under the normal approach the courts would use to determine whether Congress had a “rational basis” in passing a law, DOMA would be upheld.

    So, why is DOMA unconstitutional? The court concludes that there is a new legal standard that has been emerging in the law whereby the U.S. Supreme Court has “intensified scrutiny of purported justifications where minorities are subject to discrepant treatment and have limited the permissible justifications.”……

    It may be a commonplace observation, but it certainly applies here: Why was a written Constitution necessary if constitutionality is merely a function of judicial preferences?

  207. JamesK

    There’s an end-of-time character to the evil of the Left in Western cultural democracies and it appears to be accelerating.

  208. perturbed

    CL, I think it’s a long bow to draw that he supports female infanticide, but the lack of condemnation is telling.

    The only time they’d be prosecuted is if they went through with the termination anyway. If they got cold feet and referred on, there would be no problem – and I suspect there are a lot of docs who, not wishing to do the detective work, would do just that. The fucking girl-murdering bastards who request it would learn pretty quickly that their psychopathic behaviour wasn’t going to be tolerated in the broader community.

    It would soon be clear that they were going within their own racial group for doctors who were willing to perform this particularly loathsome breed of sexist fuckery, at which point the Left’s onanistic worship of non-white people and cultures and its championing of women’s rights would come into direct collision. Results could be interesting.

    If anything, the scales should medically be weighted against boys – since they’re the ones who suffer the consequences of sex-linked diseases in the first place. Any attempt to avoid a girl should be treated with utmost suspicion unless there are very, VERY strong objective grounds for it (e.g. to eliminate an almost certain carrier state, and then only on meticulous Clinical Genetics advice).

  209. JC

    The GOP is settling a huge trap on the Dems. A Republican has introduced a bill in the house making it illegal for anyone to obtain an abortion on gender selection. The Kenyan has said he will oppose the bill. Meanwhile the Demolition affiliates like planned parenthood are coming out against it creating even more noise.

    This is seriously going to smoke them out. Lets see how his opposition works in the heartland states and places like Pennsylvania.

  210. JamesK

    Charles Krauthammer on FoxNews on the House bill that would make it a federal offense to perform an abortion based on the gender of the fetus:

    You have to ask yourself, how could a feminist oppose this kind of legislation? After all, gender selection is the ultimate in gender discrimination. It’s the killing of a female – and it’s almost always a female — in utero, and you would expect a huge protest.

    Here it’s probably a very small issue, although it’s a huge issue in India and China where it’s done on a mass scale. The normal ratio is 105 female children to boys, and in China and India it’s 110, 115, which creates huge social imbalance, and it’s unbelievably unjust and sexist.

    So why would a feminist oppose it? The reason is because of our odd politics, because of the Supreme Court ruling [Roe v. Wade] which makes it impossible to have a debate about abortion itself. We have to have debates on the periphery. And liberals are going to oppose this because they are afraid it’s a crack in door, that if you were to [place] this kind of restriction on abortion, there will be other restrictions as well…

    It’s a weird debate [that] puts people in extremely hypocritical positions.

  211. JC

    Perturbed..

    the quality of the bill doesn’t matter as the perception it creates in people’s minds. Of course it’s difficult, almost impossible to read the mind of someone wanting an abortion.

    the intention is to paint the Dems as extremist turds as this sort of abortion is considered despicable and they will be painted as supporting it.

    It’s about the perception… how many days or weeks will it take defending his position and wasting time. And the more he talks about the more it may create a seriously extremist image in people’s minds.

  212. JamesK

    The GOP is settling a huge trap on the Dems.

    Not really JC.

    This followed blogger journalists with a secret camera filming Planned Parenthood personnel offering a gender-based abortion to the ‘client’

  213. JC

    Good to see the GOP’ers playing for keeps here.

  214. JamesK

    Modern feminism:

    Leftist first feminazi second feminist tghird and the interest of women last

  215. JC

    This followed blogger journalists with a secret camera filming Planned Parenthood personnel offering a gender-based abortion to the ‘client’

    Oh really? Is that what happened? Fme. Wow. I didn’t know.

  216. JamesK


    Obama opposes ban on sex-selective abortions

    “The Administration opposes gender discrimination in all forms, but the end result of this legislation would be to subject doctors to criminal prosecution if they fail to determine the motivations behind a very personal and private decision,” White House deputy press secretary Jamie Smith told ABC News’ Jake Tapper in a statement Wednesday evening. “The government should not intrude in medical decisions or private family matters in this way.”

    That is precisely the same rationale Obummer gave for opposing legislation against late term abortions with live birth/infanticide in illinois.

    Egggsactly the same

  217. Oh come on

    as they get dragged out of getting access to women’s health care.

    Note the weasel words.

  218. Fisky

    I wonder if there is some way the GOP could corner Obama into defending abortion of foetuses with the homosexual gene. The Left insist that the homosexual gene exists (it’s the only gene they actually believe in) so coupled with their support for abortion, they couldn’t possibly oppose abortions of suspected homosexual children.

  219. Fisky

    Or, better still, if someone were to openly promote the abortion mixed-race babies as a good thing in itself, how could Obama possibly oppose it? He’s already legitimized aborting girls as girls, so there is nothing stopping him giving the green light to people who want to abort mixed-race babies.

  220. Fisky

    The GOP is settling a huge trap on the Dems. A Republican has introduced a bill in the house making it illegal for anyone to obtain an abortion on gender selection. The Kenyan has said he will oppose the bill. Meanwhile the Demolition affiliates like planned parenthood are coming out against it creating even more noise.

    They should put something in there about making it illegal to abort babies based on their mixed-race status as well. See how the Democrats react to that.

  221. Abu Chowdah

    So Jack White isn’t a man?

    Sort of. He’s a beta-male. Check out the doco, “It Might Get Loud.” What a poseur-fag.

  222. Rub some bacon on it, Steve. sdog’s universal cure-all. Very funny vid.

    Quite so 🙂

  223. perturbed

    Note the weasel words.

    Very carefully chosen.

  224. Tom

    The Zombie Gazette continues to present its war on the Coalition as news. At the same time, it has begun advertising its weekend edition on AJ’s brekky show. Someone with a pony tail is smoking crack.

  225. This fred is getting too slow. Anything over 1200 comments makes my old browser wheeze.

    DOOMLORD!!!

    Please sir, may we have another?

    Pretty please with bacon on it?

  226. Rudiau

    30 days to go when the ALP will finally clean up my CO2 polluted neighborhood and drop the global temps 3/5 of 5/8 of f^^ckall degrees.
    Can’t wait, less CO2 means less leaf belching trees means bat roosts, less raking etc.
    Seriously the answer is Cap and Trade Oxygen.
    Lay back and think of Paul Krugman.

  227. Rudiau

    means less bat roosts
    i should proof read, need me coffee.

  228. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    What spells lie in your love,

    Yes, CL, the Wisdom of the Ages. Sheerly beautiful. God is love, and he who dwelleth in love … etc.

  229. .

    As long as the man buys the ring, it is only good and proper the woman takes your name.

    If a man buys a ring and takes a woman’s name he is a revolting imbecile, and a cuckhold.

  230. .

    No, I supported the Malaysian deal, as I have explained many times before.

    steve from brisbane
    31 May 12 at 7:17 pm

    You’re a c**t, that’s why.

  231. Infidel Tiger

    Fisk, you are a freaking genius. Ring Romney now if you haven’t already spoken to him.

  232. .

    Fuck me Combet is an idiot.

    The Coalition dudes own shares in miners…who are going to appreciate because they are dropping Australia like a hot dog turd.

    Combet thinks this means that Australian mines won’t close down.

    What a shit eating, mouth breathing idiot. Never worked a day in his life or created a job anywhere.

    Look at these SMH idiots. Not an example of bias, just stupidity.

    Secret SAS squadron sent to spy in Africa
    A SECRET squadron of Australian SAS soldiers has been operating at large in Africa, performing work normally done by spies, in an unannounced and possibly dangerous expansion of Australia’s foreign military engagement.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/hypocrisy-call-over-carbon-tax-20120531-1zkt7.html#ixzz1wUVtWLZE

    REALLY? WORKING IN THE ARMED FORCES COULD POSE A RISK TO YOUR WELL BEING OR IT MIGHT END IN YOUR DEATH? WHO’D THUNK IT?

  233. There’s an end-of-time character to the evil of the Left in Western cultural democracies and it appears to be accelerating

    Certainly is, twisted violent convulsions as it tries to fight off permanent sleep, before it falls into the tar pit.

  234. jtfsoon

    Homer Paxton, the all knowing psychologist to the Australian nation

    JB Cairns on May 31, 2012 at 12:34 pm said:

    we have the lowest ever misery index.

  235. Well, thanks for you morning assessment, dot.

    Not taken your anger management pills this morning yet?

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