Roxon trying too hard

Nicola Roxon gave a speech commemorating the Mabo decision – but over-egged the pudding.

Sadly, Eddie Mabo, the man whose name will forever represent this turning point in reconciliation did not get to see this historic decision, after passing away to cancer just five months earlier.
This will not stop us remembering Mr Mabo, and his fellow Meriam people, for taking the courageous first step to conquer terra nullius and deliver native title rights for Indigenous Australians across the country.
Labor has a proud history of fighting the tough fight when we know that it’s the right decision to make.
There’s something to be said for being on the right side of history.
We led the way in fighting for the racial discrimination act, the sex discrimination act, the human rights and equal opportunity commission act.
Labor was there when it counted for Medicare, for the pharmaceutical benefits scheme, for superannuation…
And I’m proud to say that Labor was there for native title.
The Labor Government grabbed the opportunity presented to us. Many however, were not on the right side of history.

She then launches into those who were on the ‘wrong side of history’. Okay – it’s her speech. But I’m not sure that is quite right. From an economics perspective the Mabo (and Wik) decisions are fascinating because they revolve around the evolution of property rights. Generally speaking there are two broad theories that explain property rights – an efficiency theory and a legal-centric theory. Aboriginal native title, however, is inconsistent with both those theories. How do we know that native title is inconsistent with the legal centric theory? Because no less a commentator than David Marr said so (emphasis original):

Governments only intervene to oppose. … [G]overnments only come to court to argue against native title. This policy is bipartisan. Canberra in particular has never – neither under Labor nor the Coalition – intervened to give formal assistance to Aborigines in such test cases. The stock response of all governments is hostility.

Sure the Keating government legislated native title – but only after the courts had forced their hand.

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39 Responses to Roxon trying too hard

  1. Infidel Tiger

    Isn’t she a member of the same party that supports Wild Rivers legislation?

  2. Rodney

    Mabo has been a great sucess. About half a billion dollars went to the legal profession before the first determination was made, and much more since.
    Has there been any drop in the level of domestic violence in the Aboriginal community?

  3. dan

    No person is further left in the ALP that Roxon

  4. Dianne

    Native Title – I’ll tell you how bloody native title works! Alice Springs is a prime example – dependent on the fucking good will of government to survive because the government & traditional owners both want their “share”.

    The government with Stamp duty & the traditional owners with their fees – the government subsidies the rents for the fucking voting block the public service is which pushes up the rent & house prices for anyone else trying to live & work in private industry!

    End result you have an ex commission house that is trashed selling for 1/2 a million dollars. We live in the middle of fucking no where & there is no land!

    It drives me bloody insane & then we want to put more shit in the path of land release by doing this – I don’t give a shit what the David Marr’s of this world say – the left & the fucking do gooders are killing this country!

    Alice Springs is a microcosm of what is happening in pockets in the rest of the country & it is getting more & more widespread – that is what should be legislated on!

  5. Infidel Tiger

    End result you have an ex commission house that is trashed selling for 1/2 a million dollars. We live in the middle of fucking no where & there is no land!

    Same reason a piece of shit costs $1 million in Pt Hedland, Karratha etc.

  6. Roxon should at least be congratulated for this:

    ATTORNEY-General Nicola Roxon has declared now is not the time to reverse the onus of proof in native title claims,

  7. blogstrop

    Steve, the whole of the ALP and their assembled alumni and media cheer squads all knew that was a bridge too far.

  8. Gab

    You naysayers, you will be punished. Roxon has said Mabo has not caused any problems at all. Nope, all is hunky-dory. So quit ya whining.

    /sarc.

  9. JC

    Labor has a proud history of fighting the tough fight when we know that it’s the right decision to make.

    Aren’t they so low rent. Of course they can never win the battle of ideas, so it’s always about “fighting”. It’s such a primitive way of talking.

  10. dan

    They don’t need to win the battle of ideas as long as low rent journalists are asking the questions

  11. Infidel Tiger

    Roxon should at least be congratulated for this:

    Going for a run? Applying make up? Getting her greasy hair washed?

  12. IT, you force my hand. (I think I can count 4, by the way. How many do you get it to?)

  13. C.L.

    Labor has a proud history of fighting the tough fight when we know that it’s the right decision to make.
    There’s something to be said for being on the right side of history.

    LOL.

    One of the most racist political parties outside of the American (and African) South, the ALP in fact has a proud history of hating non-whites and fighting the non-Labor parties tooth and nail to preserve the White Australia Policy.

    Note that the key ‘achievements’ Roxon cites are acts of Parliament – as if a “racial discrimination act” would make any difference to Aborigines. But as Andrew Bolt puts it, for lefties it’s all about the seeming, not the doing.

  14. Infidel Tiger

    IT, you force my hand. (I think I can count 4, by the way. How many do you get it to?)

    I get to $29 billion. She has created more wealth and prosperity for this nation and its people than a million Roxons and SfB’s could create in a million lifetimes.

    Go hang yourself in the ladies restroom.

  15. dover_beach

    The words that precede the photo sfb links to:

    Besides being the lynch pin of the greedy mining magnates who undermined what little democratic process that exists in our Governing Body with her 50 plus million of advertising to oust OUR Prime minister KayRudd…she is fat, ugly and a lying biatch who is ripping off her family.

    How is it that some one so ugly on the inside and the outside was allowed to live??

    She really does fly in the face of Darwinian theory.

    I cant understand why she wasnt left on the side of a mountain to die or basically made to go and live in a cave so we wouldnt be so offended by her face and repugnant personality.

    Pay some tax you free loading ho-bag!!

    Sigh..rant over …I just hate her so much.

  16. John Mc

    I cant understand why she wasnt left on the side of a mountain to die or basically made to go and live in a cave so we wouldnt be so offended by her face and repugnant personality.

    Using that logic, who would vote for this?

    Or this?

    Or this?

  17. By the way, before getting all carried away with the magnificence of her contribution to Australia: she is, basically, the heiress to a family fortune and business. That a person in her position can make a lot of money (and yes, pay a lot of tax) is not exactly surprising, and is not self evidently a sign of brilliant business nous or general magnanimity towards the country.

    In fact, the break down in the relationships between her and her children might indicate some less than admirable personal qualities, although to be fair I don’t know enough about the case to really be able to tell. I also don’t really know any detail about charitable work or donations either.

    She does warrant criticism for her evident anti-science attitude to climate change, as I take it her support for Monckton trips indicates.

    Honestly, it’s one thing for the man in the street to be skeptical of climate change; it is another for an incredibly wealthy woman, who could fly in the best experts to give her a personal briefing on the topic, to instead devote support to a contrarian anti-scientist like Monckton (and I would guess, others) when one would have to assume that it is likely at least partly motivated by her own interests in expanding her wealth.

    So excuse me while I don’t go all dewy eyed at what a wonderful woman she is. She’s not the worst woman in the world; nor is she particularly deserving of admiration.

  18. John Mc

    Nor is she wrong on AGW. With her wealth it would make much more sense to mitigate against AGW than try to ignore it.

  19. Gab

    Why is SFB raving on about Gina when this thread is about Roxon and Mabo?

  20. dover_beach

    she is, basically, the heiress to a family fortune and business. That a person in her position can make a lot of money (and yes, pay a lot of tax) is not exactly surprising, and is not self evidently a sign of brilliant business nous or general magnanimity towards the country.

    Yes, she inherited about 50M and has turned that into 30B in the space of 20 years. According to you, this is neither ‘surprising’ nor evidence of ‘business nous’. And you wonder why Soon, who is usually even-tempered’, has concluded you have sfb.

  21. blogstrop

    to be fair I don’t know enough about the case to really be able to tell

    Steve, that probably sums up your knowledge on most of the things you continually intrude here about.

  22. JC

    Yes, she inherited about 50M and has turned that into 30B in the space of 20 years.

    That’s an astonishing 41% compound return per year. Way to go Gina.

    Lets have a look at a comparable investment in say BHP over the same period. BHP was about 4 bucks a share 20 years ago. BHP’s return on the stock is 14.7% compounded.

    Fuck you’re an outstanding fucking clown stepford.

    I notice you save all your spite for black people and women.

  23. Phil E Steyn

    Back to “mabo” .I thought his original claim was restricted to his Island. Wasn’t it the feral Australian legal industry that decided to stir up the natives? I must agree that the result seems to have done absolutely nothing for our benighted indiginies; they seem as simple now as they always were. To say that Australia was Terra Nulius is true. It wouldn’t be true where the natives had at least learned to write and use the wheel. the acquisition of Australia was a foregone conclusion whether it was the Poms the Frogs or indeed the Nips who’d got here first.

  24. Phil E Steyn

    ( don’t you just hate it when one’s ‘puter decides it’s time to “send” all by itself)
    Indeed the Aborigines should be glad it was the Poms here first; the most civilized and civilising nation ever.
    The Native Title Act is a sad and sorry affair that’ll take generations to unwind, by which time the perpetrators will be long dead and unaccountable.

  25. Winston Smith

    Terra Nullius is a fabrication of 80s Ideological Historians. It is not a fact.

  26. all your spite for black people and women

    Mk50 is a black woman? Huh. Didn’t realize that.

  27. C.L.

    Yes, she inherited about 50M and has turned that into 30B in the space of 20 years.

    Whereas some unnamed women might ‘inherit,’ say, a million dollars in stolen union monies and blow most of it on clothes and home renovations.

  28. C.L. If success in Bain Capital makes Romney a good candidate for POTUS, then Gina’s success makes her at least a good candidate for Senior Advisor to the Treasurer. Yes?

  29. Splatacrobat

    Labor on the right side of history huh?

    White Australia Policy
    Qld Gerrymander
    Recognition of Soviet Union sovereignty over Baltic States
    obstruction of gay marraige (Paul Keating said of gay marriage, “Two poofs with moustaches and a spaniel do not make a family”.
    Vowed that by 1990 no Australian child would be living in poverty.

    Snake oil salesmen selling pus in a bottle

  30. Rob

    Yes, she inherited about 50M and has turned that into 30B in the space of 20 years.

    That’s nothing, little Steve is going to spend more than 30B to to create an asset worth maybe 50m and it will probably take longer than 20 years. Wayne can create 100s of billions of debt in no time at all. Julia is going to turn 76 into less than 10 in a years time.

    Whereas some unnamed women might ‘inherit,’ say, a million dollars in stolen union monies and blow most of it on clothes and home renovations.

    Could always get a job working for Gillard, using the union connection.

  31. Louis Hissink

    When Keating enacted Native Title legislation I mentioned to good friends (very leftwing ALP, probably like Roxon) that Australian Native Title legislation was actually nothing other than UN sanctioned diminishment of private property rights in Australia, and nothing to do with helping the aborigines, 1993 or so.

    My comment was met with stunned silence and received no further comment from them, telling me I scored a direct hit.

    There is an elite who sincerely believe in order to stop war and all sorts of bad things, that we need to get rid of the nation states and eliminate poverty. Their preferred route is world socialism, and Native Title is one such mechanism to wrest control of property from the individual to the collective.

  32. Ripper

    Louis,

    It must have been just a coincidence that Native title was legislated just after Gareth Evans signed us up to Agenda 21 in Rio.

    It (Native title) indirectly put a lot of small prospectors out of work as they could not afford the cost of a heritage survey , resulting in the closure of all the WA state batteries.

    Since 1992 the Pastoral industry has seen their rents escalate by up to 700% and the dog problem go so wild there are now no sheep outside the farm country in the SW.

    We have seen CALM buy up stations and return them to “nature” closing down the watering points which causes all the wildlife to invade the nearest going property.

  33. DC

    obstruction of gay marraige (Paul Keating said of gay marriage, “Two poofs with moustaches and a spaniel do not make a family”.

    Keating was correct.

  34. CC

    I do laugh whenever I hear lefties bragging about Mabo. They did jack. I am old enough to remember that when the Mabo decision was first handed down, it was buried in a few lines about 10 or so pages into the Australian. I remember it well, because I thought at the time this was significant in its implications, more so than the space it took up in the papers (i.e. none at all). Like Abu Ghraib, it took about another year before the lefties latched onto it and turned it into their cause du jour.

  35. Eyrie

    Anyone claiming native title should be required to prove they didn’t displace some other tribe who occupied it before them.

  36. coz

    This will not stop us remembering Mr Mabo, and his fellow Meriam people, for taking the courageous first step to conquer terra nullius and deliver native title rights for Indigenous Australians across the country.

    Is she asserting that Meriam people conquered an unoccupied land? Bit ambiguous.

  37. .

    It is pretty hard to prove a native title claim. I am all for it, it solves a deficit in the law. The problem is that the legislation is in the “greens museum exhibition” kind of law, like the wild rivers laws. Native title is worthless unless you get compensation as well. Native title should be worth more – give it back as alloidal title.

  38. Jessie

    Eyrie @ 7.22am
    One of the most difficult aspects of establishing native title has been continuity. DERM recently published some guidelines for compiling a connection report. (Qld Dept Environment & Resource Mgt).

    Along with some lawyers, the other industry neglected to be mentioned is the social science industry of anthropology. Given that the anthropologists only interview ‘elders’ one has to assume that there is a significant bias in their survey methodology.
    Some may say confirmation bias.

    Little like the ABS census and surveys have been for the past few decades. Sampling was often from a household, invariably the ‘elders’ or TO’s and the members of that household. H/hold members did not need to respond in many instances but had their responses transcribed. The transcribed responses often from the head of the house, the ‘elder’, or a selected family member with adequate educational skills.
    ABS have improved on this methodology of recent.
    Though not clear whether it is random stratified sampling of this self-identified population group.

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