July 4, 2012 at Catallaxy Files

July 4, 2012

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

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….and then, she’ll be right, mate.

Amfortas

4 Jul 12 at 12:05 am
So, how do we incorporate this into our Australian Constitution?

Damon

4 Jul 12 at 12:06 am
I assume this is the new Open Forum? Title don’t say so.

Fleeced

4 Jul 12 at 12:11 am
The girls in black robes and the girly wannabe Breyer loathe the Dec and the ensuing Constitution and Bill of Rights amendments.

It’s critically important that Romney win or Obummer will have 2 or 3 more picks to replace 1 or 2 conservative justices and the Federalists’ worst fears will be fully realised.

JamesK

4 Jul 12 at 12:12 am
Happy Dependence Day writes Andrew Klavan, appropriately enough.

The federal government wants power the way a man wants sex: as much as possible from as many as he can dupe into giving it up.

Trading welfare for power is the second oldest profession.

Wherever the government seems to provide, it actually rules. This is the “mild” despotism feared by Alexis de Tocqueville, the brilliant 19th century political thinker whose writing inspired Friedrich Hayek’s Road to Serfdom. This seemingly benevolent form of dictatorship, he wrote in the second volume of Democracy in America, is a tyranny that would “degrade men without tormenting them,” “an immense and tutelary power, which takes upon itself alone to secure [people's] gratifications, and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent, if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks on the contrary to keep them in perpetual childhood.”

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 12:13 am
What I’ve been saying for three years now, and have been banned from Boltas site for repeating:
This government has put itself in the position of having to be removed by either the rifle or the ballot box. And the ballot box has failed.

Winston Smith

4 Jul 12 at 12:23 am
Romney back to 47-44 on Rasmussen’s poll of likely voters, one of only two serious polls.

But I’m sure the Romney-haters will point to George Soros’s strawpoll of homeless derelicts to prove that Obama is really ahead by 14.

Fisky

4 Jul 12 at 12:25 am
Poll: Romney Claims Slight Edge in 15 ‘Battleground’ States

http://news.yahoo.com/poll-romney-claims-slight-edge-15-battleground-states-164545408.html;_ylt=A2KLOzGP5vJPnRUA.Q3QtDMD

Chin up doubters. Ball up a little.

JC

4 Jul 12 at 12:35 am
Happy birthday, Yankee brothers and sisters!

Abu Chowdah

4 Jul 12 at 12:37 am
However, in the 15 states CNN calls its battleground states — Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin — Romney leads Obama, 51 percent to 43 percent.

JC

4 Jul 12 at 12:38 am
The significance of the qualifier unalienable was brought home to me recently. It doesn’t mean that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness cannot be taken away from us by the government, but that we, ourselves, cannot alienate our life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness to the government or other parties.

BTW, off to an Independence Day Eve party tonight in Williamsburg.

God bless America.

dover_beach

4 Jul 12 at 12:57 am
God bless America.

Indeed, Dover. Perhaps more so now than ever before.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:00 am
Nearing $700 billion per annum on welfare, more than 50 percent on some form of government payments and…

A record of 8,733,461 workers took federal disability insurance payments in June 2012, according to the Social Security Administration. That was up from 8,707,185 in May.

It also exceeds the entire population of New York City, which according to the Census Bureau’s latest estimate hit 8,244,910 in July 2011.

Meanwhile, the Federal government now routinely flies spy missions over US farms.

Throw in Roberts’ conclusion that the Constitution is now defunct and I have to say that, to me, America is basically finished.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 1:05 am
“It’s critically important that Romney win or Obummer will have 2 or 3 more picks to replace 1 or 2 conservative justices”

Doesn’t seem likely. Scalia is the only conservative justice old enough to consider retirement in the next four years, and could hold on easily. If Kennedy or Ginsburg go, then there’s no real change, depending on the makeup of the Senate.

Jarrah

4 Jul 12 at 1:05 am
“we, ourselves, cannot alienate our life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness to the government or other parties.”

I’ve always wondered about that. Essentially that seems to suggest we are not at liberty to deprive ourselves of liberty, which sounds a bit odd. It could be a fundamental truth, or circular reasoning, I’m not sure yet.

Jarrah

4 Jul 12 at 1:09 am
Throw in Roberts’ conclusion that the Constitution is now defunct and I have to say that, to me, America is basically finished.

It doesn’t really appear as though the union is working. The blue mendicant states are getting worse financially and hate the red states more and more.

Perhaps it’s a good time to break things up as the pretense of the blue and red states getting along and only minor differences separating them is simply one huge lie.

JC

4 Jul 12 at 1:10 am
This government has put itself in the position of having to be removed by either the rifle or the ballot box. And the ballot box has failed.

I don’t quite understand this, Winston. Are you seriously suggesting Gillard will cancel the 2013 election?

There is also a grammatical/logical problem. You’re saying the government must be removed (present tense) but the ballot box has failed (past tense).

I agree with you that Oakeshott’s and Windsor’s actions constituted what was, in essence, a coup d’etat, a suspension of democracy. Consequently, the government has no legitimacy; in a fair, accountable polity, indeed, the High Court may have ruled it unlawful.

But we won’t need to shoot anyone to end it.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 1:11 am
OK, maybe Emerson.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 1:13 am
Actually I’m a little concerned too, as the entire ALP and the Greenslime are acting more irrationally by the day with threats from parliament directed towards journalists, Mad Dog Brown telling News Ltd to wait to see what’s in store for them and the refusal to accept their polices are unpopular.

Stix made the point earlier they seem as cool as a button introducing policies and making threatening comments when they have 28% support. They could actually pull a national emergency and cancel the election. It’s not likely, but the odds are no longer 0%. More like 25%.

JC

4 Jul 12 at 1:16 am
Would you have thought this fight was going to go on only a few years ago?

MEDIA executives have stepped up their fight against government plans for tighter limits on ownership and news coverage, urging Julia Gillard to dismiss the proposals as a threat to free speech.

Seven chief executives from all sectors of the industry joined forces to write to the Prime Minister with a call to abandon reforms due to go to federal cabinet within weeks, amid industry fears that Labor is determined to legislate despite being warned that its plan would not work.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/ceos-fight-new-media-curbs-as-they-warn-freedom-of-speech-is-at-risk/story-fn59niix-1226416228897

This isn’t the old Hawke left we’re dealing here. It’s a fascist totalitarian left.

JC

4 Jul 12 at 1:20 am
Finished…

Paul Kelly: carbon dioxide tax will be repealed, is a complete and utter disaster.

Always on the ball, is Kelly.

Climate change is no longer the priority in the country that it remains for Labor and the Greens. The values of this parliament are in tension with the mood of the people.

Nobody cares.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 1:22 am
This isn’t a political party in angst over unpalatable policy moves with only 28% of the direct vote.

Labor caucus members have endorsed the Finkelstein plan in the past week, in a sign of the support within government for greater oversight of the press at a time when MPs rail at coverage.

The Australian has been told that support is not as strong for the public interest test on media owners, which Communications Minister Stephen Conroy is pushing as a way to force media investors to guarantee editorial independence.

Some Labor MPs hope the public interest test could stymie Gina Rinehart’s interest in Fairfax if legislated quickly, as the Greens push for similar controls.

The executives rubbished the test, however, as a vague idea that would just not work in practice.

“While a ‘public interest test’ may have an appealing sounding ring to it, it is really, in our view, nothing more than a political interest test,” they wrote.

“It has the capacity to be misused by politicians of all persuasions to block the acquisition of media companies by people they do not agree with or simply do not like.”

Ms Gillard said on Sunday Labor needed to “look again” at regulation because of changes to the industry wrought by the internet. Her spokeswoman said last night the government was “always happy” to meet stakeholders. The executives used their letter to seek a meeting with Ms Gillard in Canberra or Sydney.

A Fairfax spokesman said Mr Hywood would respond to the plans later but had chosen not to sign the letter.

JC

4 Jul 12 at 1:24 am
JC, I actually want them to legislate it.

I want them to make a big hue and cry about their “media crackdown.”

Go for it, Jules. Dig in. Go hard.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 1:24 am
Yea so do I, because they won’t know what hit them. But frankly I’m afraid that they really could try to stymie an election under national emergency reasons. I think Stix is right.

JC

4 Jul 12 at 1:29 am
It’s not likely, but the odds are no longer 0%. More like 25%.

As I said earlier, a national emergency concocted in under the guise of climate change should do the trick. I don’t trust these bastards one iota. I have never before entertained the idea that an Australian government could suspend democracy, however there have been calls for that already in the name of climate change. Nowadays it’s a possibility. Just look at what they are doing to trash democracy in incremental steps. And already the next generation coming up through the school system is being indoctrinated, ever so subtly, with leftist idealogical filth.

In short, I wouldn’t put it past them to delay the election beyond November 2013.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:30 am
RNC with a great new ad…

That’s the ticket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbJ9ICG3Z_I

Ed Morrissey likes.

Also at that link: reports that Obama’s second term agenda will feature historic suspension of the War on Drugs.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 1:30 am
And then there’s the Conroy Internet filter still waiting in the wings.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:33 am
Go for it, Jules. Dig in. Go hard

We frikkin dare you.

Craig

4 Jul 12 at 1:35 am
I wonder if our carbon cops will be armed like the EPA in the US?

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:36 am
I actually want them to legislate it.

They will. It’s not like they can be stopped.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:38 am
Bolt makes reference to a Ray Hadley take on the Emerson tune but I couldn’t find it on YouTube.

I did find this (leaked) Hadley spray that might apply, however.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rjTlVkzIT8&feature=related

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 1:46 am
My honest real fear is this. If the polls begin to show they will end up with say 20 to 15 seats and a 60/40 2PP split would nudge them in that territory, they may go absolutely batshit crazy .

They won’t go lower than 15 to 20 seats because those are their mainstay. The Lying Slapper could morph into Stalin and those seats would still be theirs.

So they could concoct a national emergency situation in these circumstances and take over that way. At that point they know they are out for around 20 years and if they try something like this and end up losing they could still believe that people would have forgotten after 20 years and they have nothing to lose.

Go take a look at Combet’s anger last night on Q&A. This isn’t the poise of someone defeated. It’s the stance of defiance and fuck you.

Also don’t forget that they have placed Clive Hamilton on the Glimate Authority This is a person that preached the suspension of democracy and having sceptics investigated by security forces.

they also formed a coalition with a party that has Less Rhiannon in the senate.

It’s strongly alleged Rhiannon took money for the soviets.

If they don’t give a shit about what Hamilton said to the point of sticking him on a board and treating the prick as an exalted person, why do you think there’s a risk they would suspend an election?

It’s no long er zero.

We’re dealing with a totalitarian left here.

JC

4 Jul 12 at 1:51 am
This isn’t the old Hawke left we’re dealing here. It’s a fascist totalitarian left.

I would consider the Hawke Left as a valid alternative to an Abbott government, inasmuch as it is healthy to have a reasonable alternative and Hawke’s government as first elected was (whatever its failings) a reasonable one.

The current mob are not a reasonable government, and I would consider anyone who voted for them as having either vested interests or a thorough divorce from reality. Labor as it exists today no longer serves the working (wo)man, and must be annihilated at the ballot box, root and branch. Ditto (and especially) the Greens.

Resist the Grunreich!

perturbed

4 Jul 12 at 2:04 am
Celebrate what’s Great in the States.

Thanks for giving us Muddy Waters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6UjsecPXQ0&feature=relmfu

Leon Russell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37dw2r45Xzg

John Prine (and Iris DeMent):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCObON5sJzU

More John Prine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXqFFfVpnhQ

Abu Chowdah

4 Jul 12 at 2:26 am
Freddie King:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGLmZCZ1sXY&feature=related

Albert King:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlnw5rVdpas

B.B. King (Oh yes, praise Jesus!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtaWVKiYt5w&feature=related

Little Walter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev9sn6iXyzU

Miles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS2BUr83O-8

Bill Evans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2LFVWBmoiw

Oscar Peterson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zA6Xwk-0n8&feature=related

Jimi Hendrix:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4US_On-YORw

And on and on and on…

Abu Chowdah

4 Jul 12 at 2:39 am
Potemkins Village

Long before ‘Who Dares Wins’ became a reality TV show… here

Grigory Potemkin

4 Jul 12 at 4:02 am
Why are you continuing to run a blatant campaign of self-promotion on here, Potemkin? It is transparent spam advertising and you should stop this at once.

Fisky

4 Jul 12 at 4:53 am
In any case, your campaign has been a failure. Hardly anyone reads your blog, and virtually none of your posts has any comments.

Fisky

4 Jul 12 at 4:58 am
Two mega posts in moderation. Come on, Sinkers, wake up.

Abu Chowdah

4 Jul 12 at 5:52 am
I am glad the Government has finally moved on to a more sophisticated debate on carbon pricing to contrast itself with the stunts from the opposition. And then in walks Dr Craig ‘evil knevil stuntman’ Emmerson to show what stunt free sophisticated debate looks like.

This Government has the full reverse Midas. They have turkey fingers – everything they touch, they stuff. Let them regulate the media, let them change the public interest test.

And then let Tony Abbott deem Union involvement in the media to be against the public interest. Surely if there is a fit and proper test on media ownership it is only important in so far as an unfit and improper proprieter could sway political debate. Then why should we allow corrupt Unions to donate vast tracts of it’s members money to the ALP? Surely there should be a fit and proper test to own a political party.

Maybe Abbott could get ASIC to investigate whether the Fairfax Board, which has signed onto editorial independence at all costs, is guilty of not protecting the shareholders interest as required by law.

John Comnenus

4 Jul 12 at 6:13 am
I am sorry but I still can’t see Romney getting more than about 248 in electoral college votes. That assumes he wins Florida and Virginia. Obama currently leads in the polls in both states.

Even if Romney gets these two states, and it is not certain he will get either, which of the following states can he pick up to make up the shortfall: Nevada(4), Colorado(9), Iowa(6), Wisconsin(10), Michigan (16), Ohio(18) and New Hampshire (4). You need 270 to win, so where does he get the extra 22 votes?

Ohio and New Hampshire? Michigan and Wisconsin? The US has the worst President in living memory and is in the greatest economic mess since the Great Depression and the challenger is behind in the polls. Why? Because 4 out of 5 minority voters vote Democrat. Put simply the Democrats are still in the race because they play the race card all day, everyday. Obama and his cronies are racists.

Until the NSW election we saw exactly the same thing in Australian politics. It’s why the ALP will do anything to get more non Westerners into Australia – they are their fastest growing demographic. The ALP play the race card at every election because they are racists.

Conservatism and libertarianism are Western political concepts. I can think of no examples of government that is limited by design outside the Western World. We need to step up the education of non Western immigrants and sell the virtues of limited government or the next generation of non Westen immigrants will turn our political culture into another oppressive big government, like most of the places they emigrated from.

Put another way, our immigrants will assimilate us into the failed political cultures they claim to be fleeing. The reality is that most of these immigrants don’t mind oppressive government, they just want a government less oppressive to them and more oppressive to their enemies. The one part of Western culture we need to keep is limited government and free markets. Immigration without political cultural assumilation are a threat to our political way of life. It goes without saying that the Left will be happy with bigger more intrusive and oppressive government.

John Comnenus

4 Jul 12 at 6:43 am
What I’ve been saying for three years now, and have been banned from Boltas site for repeating:
This government has put itself in the position of having to be removed by either the rifle or the ballot box. And the ballot box has failed.

The ballot box has not failed and resorting to the rifle will never be a better option.

Glad to hear that you have been banned from Boltas site for repeating this crap.

If you keep repeating it here, I hope you will also be banned.

It is just bullshit.

johno

4 Jul 12 at 7:03 am
And another reason the US is stuffed, a majority of it’s highest court think that taxes are optional to pay. At least they justified Obamacare as a voluntary tax, even though Obama and all his minions argued vociferously that Obamacare was not a tax. With a decision like that you can only conclude that the Supreme Court of the USA is stacked with a majority of morons. Maybe Congress should say that accepting SCOTUS decisions is voluntary, just like SCOTUS thinks Congresses taxes are voluntary.

John Comnenus

4 Jul 12 at 7:10 am
In both Queensland and NSW we are seeing a repeat of the old patterns. Once a conservative government is elected and starts to do what they must do – clean up the mess, get the books in order, sack the excessive public servants and so on – the so-called balanced media and the unions are out in full force condemning them as monsters.
Robertson gets to deliver his nightly condemnation spray on ABC TV with nary a word of dissent from the media bruvvers, who always give conservatives a grilling whether in gov or oppo.

Blogstrop

4 Jul 12 at 7:13 am
Speaking of our government..

1. THE SOCIALIST INTERNATIONAL is an association of political parties and organisations which seek to establish democratic socialism.

2. PURPOSE OF THE SOCIALIST INTERNATIONAL

The purpose of the Socialist International is to strengthen relations between the affiliated parties and to coordinate their political attitudes and activities by consent.

The Socialist International shall also seek to extend the relations between the Socialist International and other socialist-oriented parties not in membership which desire cooperation.

The ALP are full members of this outfit, and that’s not going to change any time soon.

I can never find any Labor supporters to explain to me how being a member of SI is good for the country and how it demonstrates that Labor is (and this is a direct quote) “all about capitalism”.

nilk

4 Jul 12 at 7:20 am
And something a bit nicer for the Fourth of July.

Ronald Reagan.

It’s not stricly July 4 stuff, and sure it’s a bit religious for the atheistic ones, but it’s really nice to see a leader who was prepared to step up and place his head (metaphorically) on the block for his principles.

nilk

4 Jul 12 at 7:22 am
I agree there has been misguided and reckless talk of armed insurrection, which is not on, really. The next ballot will restore balance provided the media are honest, or even despite them. What is important is that control of the senate must be won back from the loopy green left, and this has to be a major campaign from everyone outside that group, whatever their normal alignments – Labor, Liberal, Nationals.
This may take until a Double Dissolution to effect, but it should commence with this next election in 2013 or whenever it happens, and it is not too early to start hightlighting now how important this is. People, if they are not already aware, must be told about the Greens in detail, not tree-hugging fantasy terms.
After that, the next government has to grasp the nettle and do something about the embedded left bias in the arty media complex. No more mr nice guy on this subject. That is what causes democracy to fall short and deliver poor results. It’s often only a couple of percentage points between a good and disastrous outcome, as the 2010 election showed.

Blogstrop

4 Jul 12 at 7:25 am
Winston, the ballot box is our weapon, not the gun.

John Comnenus

4 Jul 12 at 7:39 am
Fisky
What’s your problem with Potemkin?

kae

4 Jul 12 at 7:42 am
We Australians have been very fortunate that those words were so powerful that we have successfully freeloaded on them for nearly 250 years.

Peter Patton

4 Jul 12 at 7:55 am
Interesting point Grigory.

It would be so appropriate for the luvvie Yumi and the has-been Negas to do something special for the widow of this man to make up for the “blood-thirsty”/”dud in bed” remarks.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 7:59 am
John C, I see a few people taking the p*** as they express their frustrations.

Nobody would like this site to get in trouble by giving precious princesses like Tony Winsor and the Alliance to Finkenstein the site.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 8:01 am
blogstrop

KKKomrade Rhiannon won her NSW Senate seat by only a few hundred voted. How different would this country be had her closest rival been a bit more thorough in her campaigning. Somehow I doubt Pauline Hanson would have entered into the same alliance with Labor.

Peter Patton

4 Jul 12 at 8:02 am
Conservatism and libertarianism are Western political concepts. I can think of no examples of government that is limited by design outside the Western World.

Totally agree John C. I’ve been posting a few links to some great talks at the Hoover Institute over the past couple of weeks (when I discovered them) where they discuss topics like this.

The episode interviewing Dennis Prager covers a similar topic (replace Americanism with the principles that are the bedrock of all Western Conservative/Libertarianism).

Token

4 Jul 12 at 8:08 am
…by giving precious princesses like Tony Winsor and the Alliance the material they need to Finkenstein the site.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 8:09 am
Can we can this stupid talk about the ALP not going to an election within the allotted time!

I happen to know some very senior military personnel. At the first whiff of such a thing from the hated ALP (and the military really hates the ALP) Special Forces troops would be carting Gillard et al off to prison quick smart, and requiring the GG to enforce the Constitution.

I have seen at first hand how these boys operate. I pity any politician who thinks he or she would get away with subverting the state.

Rococo Liberal

4 Jul 12 at 8:32 am
Peter Costello uses a bit of logic to counter the Gina Fever sweeping the Luvvie-Australian community:

The objection to Gina Rinehart is that she is the wrong type of person because she is, after all, a miner. Well, so was David Syme, who came to Australia to dig for gold and made enough to buy into the insolvent Melbourne Age and run it for the next 50 years. The whole city of Melbourne grew off the back of the mining industry, which provided the readership that kept the newspaper in business.

Interesting note that about Morrie Schwartz too:

I did not sign the recent letter of ”eminent people” who wrote in support of the Fairfax charter of independence. I noticed that the owner of The Monthly, Morry Schwartz, did. He makes no effort to publish a diversity of views in publications that he owns. When his editor proposed to publish an article by me in response to one by Kevin Rudd she was not allowed to do so. Shortly after, she left. It is not my idea of editorial independence.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 8:41 am
What a bonza set of words you quote Sinclair to celebrate July 4.

Also,

I’m all for cuddling kittens and puppies and babies.
it’s sets the right tone for a rigorous coup.

Candy was right on theme for any facetious discussion of insurrection on the thread yesterday, which also referenced Dad’s Army and ‘allo, ‘allo.

Very serious and threatening stuff indeed. Hard to Finkelstein such things without looking a complete ‘narna.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

4 Jul 12 at 8:54 am
Fairfax Media boss Greg Hywood's signature was reportedly absent from the letter to Ms Gillard.
Now why would that be? Is he preparing to propose an investment by the government in FXJ to stave off its descent into bankruptcy? Just asking …

Tom

4 Jul 12 at 8:55 am
Still the best: Ray Charles in 1972, America the Beautiful
http://youtu.be/TRUjr8EVgBg

sdog

4 Jul 12 at 9:02 am
It must be tough being a lefty at the moment, seriously all the great scares that have worked for the last 2 decades to shake down the public purse for money are just falling apart.

The bad news is there’s plenty of oil, artists are getting on with it and mermaids are not real

Damn! We’re not. Monbiot on Monday:

PEAK oil hasn’t happened, and it’s unlikely to happen for a very long time. The constraints on oil supply over the past 10 years appear to have had more to do with money than geology. The low prices before 2003 had discouraged investors from developing difficult fields. The high prices of the past few years have changed that.

No wonder they despise freedom of the press.

Bring on the great acidification of the ocean scare…

Token

4 Jul 12 at 9:04 am
A clever idea.

Tom

4 Jul 12 at 9:06 am
I can’t believe libertarians look up to the USA declaration/constitution. Despite what fairy tales you might have been told, the declaration/constitution was the starting point of trampled property rights.

At the time the average tax was less than 1% of income, and the english refused to ascent any laws of any tax.

The people who wrote and signed the declaration were largely those who wanted to impose taxation on there fellow americians. As soon as they got power tax went up from 1% to over 10%.

The whole Boston tea party incident stemmed from the fact that some people had leveraged financial positions that depended on a proposed 10% export tax to undercut the local supply price. They brought in tea which they knew was exempt from the tax from overseas, and were ready to under the local tea which the tax was to apply to. When the tax was rejected the men were told they wouldn’t be getting paid, so they went and destroyed the local tea.

Somehow histrory has spun this incident such that people think they destroyed British tea to protest against the tax! When in reality they destroyed American tea to protest *for* the tax!

MundiMundi

4 Jul 12 at 9:07 am
No CL – not suggesting that the lying slapper will cancel the next election. That takes us into looney land.

You’re saying the government must be removed (present tense) but the ballot box has failed (past tense).

Yes I think the government must be removed in the present – we can only act in the here and now, because the ballot box failed in the last election. It is a mixture of tenses, but, I think, valid.
Yes, the independents siding with a government against the express wishes of their electorate was an anti democratic act. It was essentially a coup d’etat.

“But we won’t need to shoot anyone to end it.”

Certainly we don’t need to shoot anyone – it was a rhetorical flourish.

Winston SMITH

4 Jul 12 at 9:09 am
Gab, don’t forget this government called a state of emergency just to allow them to use funding for their last election.

Winston SMITH

4 Jul 12 at 9:18 am
I don’t really get the anti-Grigory “marketing” thing.

WTF is he “marketing”? A free blog, ffs. He’s not selling anything.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 9:29 am
Thank you Johno – praise from you is faint praise indeed.

Winston SMITH

4 Jul 12 at 9:30 am
Turd:

Last week – Obama announces fundraiser in Switzerland.
Today – Barack Obama slams Mitt Romney for his Swiss bank account.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 9:32 am
What should be seriously considered is a change in the Electoral Act (Cth), to remove Doc Evatt’s 1948 amendment enabling proportional representation in the Senate.

An immediate review of Senate vote allocation should be one of the first items on PM Abbott’s agenda. There is no need to hold a referendum, or seek to change the Constitution.

Kaboom

4 Jul 12 at 9:40 am
Barry Cohen, a Labor Minister from the Hawke government tries to teach modern lefties how creative destruction helps everyone including the journalists:

Best bulwark of democracy is a robust free press

Initially there were only three channels – Two, Seven and Nine with Channel 10 and SBS following later. The existing media were worried, but rather than destroying radio and newspapers, television provided opportunities for thousands of new media careers. The bulk of the new jobs went to those who worked in newspapers. Radio, we were told, was finished. Actually it survived rather well. Ask Alan Jones.

The media feed off each other. No better example exists than Foxtel which now has about 150 channels with more to come. The quality varies, with the news and sport being first class, but there is room for improvement in the area of serious documentaries.

Compare to the Labor Party of today (Emo, Albo, Conroy, Lying Slapper) to people like Cohen and it is so clear the ALP is just ruins inhabited by pygmies.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 9:44 am
You would never get away with sexist, religious stuff like the Declaration these days. Besides, if we’re fair, Jefferson had a rush of blood to the head that day. He had no personal beef with the ‘special institution’ and was far from pushing any kind of universal suffrage. I doubt he would have supported ‘the Amnesty’.

So any such rhetoric today (in say a preamble to a bill of rights) would need to act as a similar ‘stretch target’ for suicidal Leftism.

Big Jim

4 Jul 12 at 9:59 am
I’ve said it before – the founding fathers would be written off as dangerous right-wing idealogues if they were around today and printed stuff like this in a newspaper.

It’s increasingly worrying that self determination, independence and freedom from regulation are seen as dangerous ideas.

brc

4 Jul 12 at 10:04 am
It seems clear that the luvvie class, which is so used to dominating national discussion with their opinions, can not accept the world has changed, and can not admit they were wrong about the AGW scare.

Paul Kelly: carbon dioxide tax will be repealed, is a complete and utter disaster.

Always on the ball, is Kelly.

I know you made the statement was made with a tongue firmly planted in the cheek, but it is clear from the article Kelly like the rest of the luvvie class can not bring themselves to admit the premise of the Carbin Tax is based upon multiple fallacies:

The danger is apparent: does Australia risk its industry competitiveness in a situation of weak global climate change commitment? If carbon pricing is tried in Australia and seen to fail, for either design or political reasons, the long-run consequences will be serious.

Like the Bourbons “they had learned nothing and forgotten nothing”.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 10:13 am
Doesn’t seem likely. Scalia is the only conservative justice old enough to consider retirement in the next four years, and could hold on easily. If Kennedy or Ginsburg go, then there’s no real change, depending on the makeup of the Senate.

Kennedy isn’t a liberal Jarrah.

He’s libertarian.

JamesK

4 Jul 12 at 10:14 am
Yea so do I, because they won’t know what hit them. But frankly I’m afraid that they really could try to stymie an election under national emergency reasons. I think Stix is right.

That wasn’t me that said that JC.

I argued that if they were to do anything, it wouldn’t look like a coup.

It’d be done it in a way that was very messy and confusing, they’d use legalese and spin and whatever they did would be done over time and it would appear semi-legitimate to the average person and they’d have a pretty big support base in the media who would run interference for them.

Like the finklestein inquiry, for a small example.

Ecuador was the perfect example of the sort of thing, where a referendum to change the constitution ended up with the old constitution being binned and a green left manifesto put in its place through the corrupt machinations of the President and his supporters.

twostix

4 Jul 12 at 10:17 am
Certainly we don’t need to shoot anyone – it was a rhetorical flourish.

If we’re going with rhetorical flourish why not drawing and quartering? Or the entire government having their heads shaved and being branded with the word bastards on their pointy little heads; and then locked in a mirrored room with only their speeches to listen to?

And if you must flourish with the bullet then please don’t just go the bullet, but go the hollow point with 150 grains in a .357 magnum.

cohenite

4 Jul 12 at 10:18 am
Hard to Finkelstein such things without looking a complete ‘narna.

Agree, Lizzie, context is important, and I did hope to add to the jocular side of that thread. But taking people out of context and even imputing nazi tendencies is now done even in the justice system, as Bolt discovered, let alone the lurv media. Let’s keep focussed on the need for the right campaign and for honest media. I do appreciate your contributions, always read them!

blogstrop

4 Jul 12 at 10:20 am
On the (pretty out there) talk of coups etc, the biggest real worry that anybody here should have is that next year PM Abbott turns out to be another Barry O’Farrell.

twostix

4 Jul 12 at 10:29 am
db – The significance of the qualifier unalienable was brought home to me recently. It doesn’t mean that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness cannot be taken away from us by the government, but that we, ourselves, cannot alienate our life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness to the government or other parties.

? Think it comes to the legal definition of a ‘lien’, which is like a collateral for debt, so it means that these things can’t be exchanged or taken for ‘debt’, which is exactly the opposite of what really happens in this tax farm.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 10:42 am
We Australians have been very fortunate that those words were so powerful that we have successfully freeloaded on them for nearly 250 years.

PP, Jefferson was smart enough to use the best minds of the enlightenment when putting together the document.

You are right, so many people have freeloaded/taken then for granted over the past 250 years.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 10:55 am
You folks do realise most of the ‘founding fathers of the US were masons, yeah? Happy Masonic Utopia Day!

coz

4 Jul 12 at 11:10 am
Masons are for the vast majority, certainly in this country, a community service organisation, believers in God and Christ (although with nomenclature like “the great architect”), and harmless despite some wacky carry-on in their lodges. I am not one, but have known many over the years and would place them high on the scale of trustworthy members of society.

blogstrop

4 Jul 12 at 11:19 am
Masons these days are like the western version of the Hash House Harriers.

Yobbo

4 Jul 12 at 11:32 am
Token

Because the US was so successful in booting out the British and popularizing that Declaration globally, the Brits were always very solicitous towards the Australian colonies, fearing we might go down the same path the American colonies did. Largely for that reason I tend to be dismissive of the view that Australia was laways just a ‘branch of empire’. NSW – followed by the other colonies – largely made its own destiny right from the arrival of the First Flett.

Peter Patton

4 Jul 12 at 11:36 am
I have never understood what all the hoo-ha over Masons has been about. I had an uncle who used to be a member of a Lodge, and visited my aunt and uncle one evening just before they went to some do at “his lodge”. They were dressed up in what I thought at the time was ludicrous regalia. I asked my grandmother what it was, and she said merely “oh, pet, it’s all to do with the queen and stuff”. Thanks nan, that really cleared things up. NOT!

Peter Patton

4 Jul 12 at 11:40 am
“the pursuit of Happiness”

Gotta respect a nation who incorporates the Right to Party Hearty into their Constitution.

The Old and Unimproved Dave

4 Jul 12 at 11:40 am
Masons are for the vast majority, certainly in this country, a community service organisation, believers in God and Christ (although with nomenclature like “the great architect”), and harmless despite some wacky carry-on in their lodges. I am not one, but have known many over the years and would place them high on the scale of trustworthy members of society.

This is false, that’s what they want you to think. Masons worship lucifer, but they don’t tell the lower orders that. It probably seems very ecumenical at that stage. God is not ‘the great architect’ and they are not harmless, except for the lower 3 orders.

http://www.ephesians5-11.org/gllink.htm

coz

4 Jul 12 at 11:43 am
The history of friendly societies in Australia needs to be rediscovered and used as an antidote to the hysterical rhetoric from statists that without the all suffocating welfare state we’d all be on our own fighting for survival in some darwinian nightmare:

Friendly societies had their own criteria for membership and benefits, often based on a person’s occupation, religion or place of birth. They were formed by Australians who believed in the principle of mutual self-help to provide some of the medical and other essential services that were not provided by governments of the time. Each week members made a small contribution to a common fund that paid benefits to those in the group who became ill, lost work, or suffered hardship. By World War II, friendly societies had developed products such as hospital and medical insurance, household insurance, personal and housing loans, and life insurance.

http://www.australianunitycorporate.com.au/OurHeritage/FriendlySociety/Pages/Overview.aspx

twostix

4 Jul 12 at 11:43 am
Its a beautiful piece of rhetoric, in spite of its flaws.

michael

4 Jul 12 at 12:00 pm
The history of friendly societies in Australia needs to be rediscovered and used as an antidote to the hysterical rhetoric from statists that without the all suffocating welfare state we’d all be on our own fighting for survival in some darwinian nightmare…

I posted this last week after I heard this talk at the Sydney Institute. When you listen to Jim Macken & Rodney Cavalier you hear the Labor Party movement was like the “Friendly Societies” in terms of the services it filled for its members.

In summary, the Labor Party actually killed off its own grass roots and removed its natural strength by implementing a statist social welfare agenda that crowded out community organisations.

That said, Cavalier & Macken don’t get why the organisation has poisoned itself and wants more of the poison…

Token

4 Jul 12 at 12:08 pm
Because the US was so successful in booting out the British and popularizing that Declaration globally, the Brits were always very solicitous towards the Australian colonies…

Agreed.

In addition the US provided a working democratic model with over 100 years of testing which provided use instituations such as the senate and much of a federal constitution.

Pity the free-riders are willing to squander it now.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 12:10 pm
Who’s dissing Masons?

My Dad and both grandads were members of Lodge. My nanna was a Lady Mason. They did a lot of community work and looked after the old an frail, raising money for worthy causes.

kae

4 Jul 12 at 12:11 pm
Yes, coz, I’m well aware that there are Christian objections to the masonic, but I would put most journalists a lot closer to the Faust scenario. The masons I have known (and still do) are absolute pillars of the community, and not just in a superficial PR sense. They have mostly been protestants, while the catholics favoured the Knights Of The Southern Cross.

blogstrop

4 Jul 12 at 12:14 pm
Fisky
What’s your problem with Potemkin?

I’m sorry, was there something unclear in my post? Allow me to explain – 99% of his comments here are not contributions to debate at Catallaxy, they are advertisements for his own blog. It is another form of spam.

Fisky

4 Jul 12 at 12:18 pm
Masons worship lucifer

The Cat, home to the wackiest conspiracy theories.

SteveC

4 Jul 12 at 12:22 pm
This is false, that’s what they want you to think. Masons worship lucifer, but they don’t tell the lower orders that.

Always love these conspiracy theories… “Religion x really worships the devil – but they don’t learn that unless they get high enough”. It’s a wonderful slur.

Fleeced

4 Jul 12 at 12:22 pm
kae – Who’s dissing Masons?

My Dad and both grandads were members of Lodge. My nanna was a Lady Mason. They did a lot of community work and looked after the old an frail, raising money for worthy causes.

I am dissing Masons, kae. Blogstrop stated that they believe in God and Christ, that is false, I corrected that false statement. My dad (deceased) was and my brother is a mason. It’s the ‘left hand’ path, same as theosophy/newage/kaballah whatever.

The lower orders probably are pretty harmless, socially motivated people, they know nothing of what is really being worshipped in their lodges. They’re the useful idiots of that world.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 12:23 pm
How is it spam? Sinclair has added Grigory’s site to the Cat blogroll. He contributes to the site in cartoons which often does contribute to debate and in some cases starts the debate, so what? No one has to click his links if you’re not interested. He’s not selling or advertising anything. His comments are in the form of cartoons.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 12:24 pm
May retail sales jump more than tipped

Retail sales rose more than expected in May as government assistance for students and the carbon tax began flowing into households.

Sales for the month rose 0.5 per cent from April, beating the 0.2 per cent increase expected by economists.

The ABS revised the April figure to show a 0.1 per cent increase – making it five consecutive monthly increases and the longest string of rises for the gauge since September 2010.

SteveC

4 Jul 12 at 12:25 pm
No one has to click his links if you’re not interested.

The exact same argument applies to my forthcoming “Penis Pills” site, to which I intend to link daily on here. No one is forcing you to click, and with Steve from Brisbane, there is already a market for Penis Pills at Catallaxy.

Fisky

4 Jul 12 at 12:32 pm
Masons worship lucifer

The Cat, home to the wackiest conspiracy theories.

Unlike you SteveC, we welcome anyone to put forward their ideas so they may be discussed. Only through dialogue can people understand each other’s view points.

Personally SteveC I understand what Coz is saying as growing up as a Catholic I heard similar things about the masons. I understand it was the Catholic way of hitting back against the papist rumours Protestents flung at Catholics.

Those days are long gone.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 12:35 pm
Allow me to explain – 99% of his comments here are not contributions to debate at Catallaxy, they are advertisements for his own blog. It is another form of spam.

Eh?

Henry Ergas does not comment here beyond the links he creates to his posts.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 12:36 pm
No, but he does post above the line. Sorry, no equivalence. Now, where did I leave those links to my viagra site again…

Fisky

4 Jul 12 at 12:45 pm
It’s The Stonecutters one should look out for, not the Masons.

Infidel Tiger

4 Jul 12 at 12:46 pm
Personally SteveC I understand what Coz is saying as growing up as a Catholic I heard similar things about the masons. I understand it was the Catholic way of hitting back against the papist rumours Protestents flung at Catholics.

Not just Catholics. My Mater was raised in a staunch Baptist family who considered the Masons goat molesting, sons of Satan.

Infidel Tiger

4 Jul 12 at 12:50 pm
The lower orders probably are pretty harmless, socially motivated people, they know nothing of what is really being worshipped in their lodges. They’re the useful idiots of that world.

So if they’re the harmless lower orders (thanks for some small concession, at least), what’s happening at HQ? Or is that the EU Parliament in Brussels?

blogstrop

4 Jul 12 at 12:51 pm
“the pursuit of Happiness”

Can you imagine if leftists were allowed to draft a constitution? It wouldn’t be the pursuit of happiness, it would be happiness itself guaranteed as a human right. Along with “free” health care and two blokes getting hitched in a park.

Infidel Tiger

4 Jul 12 at 12:54 pm
Speaking of Brussels, another Farage barrage.

blogstrop

4 Jul 12 at 12:59 pm
Masons worship lucifer, but they don’t tell the lower orders that.

Correct.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 1:01 pm
My Mater was raised in a staunch Baptist family who considered the Masons goat molesting, sons of Satan.

I know Baptists with a similarly dark view of Catholics! It all gets to be a bit circular.

blogstrop

4 Jul 12 at 1:04 pm
Can you imagine if leftists were allowed to draft a constitution?

They have, it is called the EU constitution. Daniel Hannon describes the differences.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 1:04 pm
Gotta agree with Fisky. In my opinion, even the occasional “Hey, you’re discussing (topic). Read more at my blog (link)” manner of plugging your emerging blog at a popular site is a grey area in terms of blog etiquette. However Potemkin’s overly frequent links to his cartoons that are, for the most part, completely off topic from what is being discussed at the time of him posting is very much a clear case of spam. Crass self-promotion. I find it irritating.

Just my 2c worth.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 1:06 pm
Can you imagine if leftists were allowed to draft a constitution? It wouldn’t be the pursuit of happiness, it would be happiness itself guaranteed as a human right. Along with “free” health care and two blokes getting hitched in a park.

The lefties has a go at this some years back on one of their (then) newer sites. It might have been New Matilda or something. They attempted to draft a bill of rights (strangely based heavily on the US Bill of Rights) but with rewording and caveats to make it nicely PC left-wing. It was a complete abortion.

If I recall correctly Yobbo was one of the first ones to notice, then we all got stuck in.

The first one was freedom of speech, which went something like:

Freedom of speech, of thought, religion and personal expression shall be considered as a universal right; hateful, offensive, racist and discriminatory speech shall remain illegal.

Basically, you can say what you like so long as the government approves it.

This was the one that was pretty much torn apart, and they gave up shortly after that.

John Mc

4 Jul 12 at 1:08 pm
I know Baptists with a similarly dark view of Catholics!

Oh yes, they had no time for Catholics and the only time one was allowed near a Jew was when buying something for Church from that Goddamn Sidney Myer.

Infidel Tiger

4 Jul 12 at 1:09 pm
Well I won’t be linking to any ancient essays on my old blog. Blogger contacted me to say they were rejigging something which meant I had to do some (administrative) thing. Couldn’t be bothered so I chose their delete option.

Farewell old blog.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 1:10 pm
Potemkins cartoons are liked by plenty here and I’d link to the better ones to illustrate a point. He doesn’t hurt anyone. Leave him alone for gawd sakes.

John Mc

4 Jul 12 at 1:10 pm
That’s a shame CL, you are one of the Founding Fathers!!

John Mc

4 Jul 12 at 1:11 pm
However Potemkin’s overly frequent links

He posts less than you comment. Perhaps we should have you banned instead?

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:12 pm
The penis pills analogy doesn’t work. Grigory isn’t selling anything.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 1:14 pm
Gillard Feds set to arrest bakers.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 1:17 pm
Farewell old blog.

That makes me very sad, CL. I still go there to read your offerings, now no more. Love your writing style and insights. I will miss your blog, even though you had ‘gone fishing’ for some time now.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:17 pm
blogstrop – So if they’re the harmless lower orders (thanks for some small concession, at least), what’s happening at HQ? Or is that the EU Parliament in Brussels?

mmyeah.. more like UN HQ. The grand plan is one world gubbmint, a tax farm of human ‘cattle’ (with house niggahs to discipline and punish non compliant ‘cattle’) and a fake one world religion (compulsory) which will be luciferian, initially, until they decide to change the name worshipped to satan. Sumpin’ like that. The realisation of satan’s grand plan to enslave and defile God’s favourite creation – the human race. As you can see that plan is well underway.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 1:19 pm
Breathless US media report: Romney owns a speed boat.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 1:19 pm
Gab: don’t be silly. Surely I don’t need to explain the distinction between making a comment in a comment thread and constant, shameless self promotion?

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 1:20 pm
Gillard Feds set to arrest bakers

Strike a light. How many staff is the ACCC going to need to keep this badly packed kebab of a tax from unravelling?

Infidel Tiger

4 Jul 12 at 1:20 pm
Don’t be silly, Oh Come On. What “shameless self promotion”? He does cartoons, so what? You make comments and that’s your form of “shameless self promotion”.

I don’t understand this absurd notion that an invited cartoonist is now “selling” something.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:23 pm
It’s not the lack of a commercial angle that makes his shameless self-promotion somehow acceptable. Personally, I think it’s exceedingly poor blog etiquette to carry on as he is. If you like his stuff, now you know where his blog is and you can visit it regularly. We don’t need a damn update every time he posts a new cartoon.

Seriously, I can’t believe we’re discussing this. The above is so patently obvious.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 1:25 pm
Nice boat

John Mc

4 Jul 12 at 1:25 pm
No, comments are what the thread’s for. Promoting your own blog – not so much.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 1:27 pm
An “invited cartoonist”? How is he invited?

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 1:28 pm
No, comments are what the thread’s for. Promoting your own blog – not so much.

So if he could just post his cartoons here without linking you’d have no issue then?

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:30 pm
If I had a blog and constantly posted comments on here linking to new posts I’d put up on my blog, would you find that acceptable, Gab?

What if lots of people did it?

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 1:30 pm
Why does the govt of the left legislate to stop people being offensive? And who the hell determines what is offensive. I personally find the crap coming from green group such as the WWF and the ACF to be biased, deceptive and highly offensive. Do I get to choose and ban them?

Giving offense would seem to me to be one of the pillars of free speech. It would be rare person who makes public statements that doesnt offend someone. Does offense have various degrees, is there a hierarchy of offence, or is there only certain topics that can be considered worth of offense?
Shit, the idea of offensive speech being censored is offensive.

dianeh

4 Jul 12 at 1:31 pm
If Sinc made him a contributor and he put them on the main page, sure.

However, I have a problem with anyone – not just him – frequently posting here for the sole purpose of linking to posts on their blogs for the purpose of promoting their blog. It’s bad blog etiquette.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 1:33 pm
Sinclair, do you consider Grigory’s links to his cartoons as “shameless self promotion” on your blogsite?

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:33 pm
Answer my question please, OCO

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:34 pm
I did, Gab. Please look again.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 1:36 pm
No you didn’t answer my question at all, you skirted around it. A yes/no would suffice.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:37 pm
Breathless US media report: Romney owns a speed boat.

Wow, the British Labour Party is running the US media.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 1:37 pm
Gab – now be honest and don’t sacrifice sanity for consistency – if his stuff was, say, unfunny leftist propaganda swill, would you be so ready to jump in and defend his right to link to his work ad nauseum? Or would you see things more from my perspective?

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 1:40 pm
How does it hurt this site to have the cartoonist in residence link to his cartoons?

You don’t want to see his work simply don’t click the link. He cannot technologically post his cartoons directly on here. I don’t understand your paranoia.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:40 pm
The answer to your question was: If Sinc made him a contributor and he put them on the main page, sure.

I’m not sure how you consider this skirting around your question.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 1:41 pm
I keep getting trojan horse threat detection notifications from this site…

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 1:42 pm
unfunny leftist propaganda swill, would you be so ready to jump in and defend his right to link to his work

I have already thought that, OCO, I am capable of honest self-reflection.

I would either ignore said leftist cartoons or disagree with the content. And until the site owner does otherwise, the fictitious leftist cartoonist would remain.

And what the hell have you got against a conservative cartoonist posting here? He does no harm and you are free to ignore his links.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:43 pm
Cartoonist in residence? Pardon? Who made him thus?

And now I’ve answered your question, how about you answer mine?

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 1:43 pm
I have a problem with ANYONE promoting their blog in such a manner. It’s nothing personal against Grigory or his work. As I have said several times already, I think his relentless campaign of self-promotion here is bad blog etiquette.

Obviously you consider it just dandy for anyone to flood the site with links to their own blogs. I, on the other hand, consider this exceedingly poor form.

And that’s about all I have to say on the matter.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 1:48 pm
OCO – that’s the Masons….

SteveC

4 Jul 12 at 1:49 pm
I keep getting trojan horse threat detection notifications from this site…

The Hacked Again thread discusses why this is happening.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 1:50 pm
(The Trojan horse warning)

SteveC

4 Jul 12 at 1:50 pm
So when I link to Bunyip’s blog, you have no issue with that? So if I – or anyone else – in future linked to Grigory’s cartoons you’d have no issue with that, OCO?

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:50 pm
Sure, linking to a 3rd party blog is a completely different kettle of fish.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 1:52 pm
Why does the media continue to provide this Fat Fuck with oxygen? Any useful contribution Clive Palmer can make to informed political debate ends when he closes his cheque book.
What is it about Queenslanders that they feel entitled to inflict their stupidity on the rest of the country?

H B Bear

4 Jul 12 at 1:55 pm
Thanks Token. I haven’t been keeping as much of an eye on The Cat as I’d otherwise like to, and I missed that.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 1:55 pm
Grigory infuture perhaps you can link to your cartoons but just under a different identity here.

*facepalm*

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 1:56 pm
Hope you didn’t bruise your forehead, Gab. So anyway, that wouldn’t be a genuine third party link, would it? And I’m surprised you’d encourage or even suggest such deceptive behaviour.

It seems your main defence of Grigory’s actions is that you like Grigory’s work. On the latter point; great. Now you know about his site, you can visit it just as much as you like. Regarding the former; the way he’s promoting his blog here is not a model that I think should be encouraged. In fact, I think it should be strongly discouraged. What if 20 or 30 wannabe up-and-coming bloggers did the same thing? To be consistent, you would need to vociferously support their right to stuff the open threads full of self-promoting posts which for the most part add nothing to the conversation.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 2:02 pm
Anyway, I don’t think there’s a great deal more I have to say on the matter.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 2:03 pm
I don’t see any issue with people providing links to their own work, especially when it is in keeping with the nature of the site, especially when it is quality work.

The cartoons are in keeping with the nature of this site, are of a good standard, so i have no problem at all with them.

It would be great to have them posted inline here, but that is a matter for Grigory and Catallaxy to sort through.

Driftforge

4 Jul 12 at 2:07 pm
self-promoting posts which for the most part add nothing to the conversation.

In this case the posts do add to the conversation. Which is all the difference that is needed.

Driftforge

4 Jul 12 at 2:09 pm
ITT religious whackos have a serious discussion regarding whether or not a community organisation is really a front for Satan worship.

Yobbo

4 Jul 12 at 2:09 pm
The cartoons are in keeping with the nature of this site, are of a good standard, so i have no problem at all with them.

His cartoons are not even real cartoons, just clip art with word bubbles. The content is overly earnest and contains no humour at all.

This free review shortly to be reposted at http://yobbo.wordpress.com/

Yobbo

4 Jul 12 at 2:12 pm
Is there anyone who would seriously argue that they are not?

Driftforge

4 Jul 12 at 2:14 pm
Got to do some updates there Yobbo..

Driftforge

4 Jul 12 at 2:15 pm
Got to do some updates there Yobbo..

Driftforge

4 Jul 12 at 2:15 pm
I don’t see any issue with people providing links to their own work, especially when it is in keeping with the nature of the site, especially when it is quality work.

If this could be objectively measured, I’d agree. But it can’t be. So you need to take an all or nothing approach.

It would be great to have them posted inline here, but that is a matter for Grigory and Catallaxy to sort through.

Yes, I’d say if Grigory’s cartoons are as popular as they appear to be amongst the commentariat, then this would certainly be an excellent alternative to what’s currently going on.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 2:15 pm
PS. I agree with Yobbo.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 2:16 pm
I know Baptists with a similarly dark view of Catholics!

I recall the rumours about the Masons being devil-worshippers as a kid too, and I was raised Anglican. As for Baptists, they were all kind of whacky. Catholics seemed to venerate Mary to the point of idolatry, but then the JW’s – who I wouldn’t classify as Christian at all – seemed to think even use of the cross was idolatry.

Fleeced

4 Jul 12 at 2:17 pm
Not sure that you do. While it may be difficult to objectively measure these aspects, the response to them is not difficult to measure.

Driftforge

4 Jul 12 at 2:17 pm
Not sure that you do. While it may be difficult to objectively measure these aspects, the response to them is not difficult to measure.

Driftforge

4 Jul 12 at 2:17 pm
PS. haha

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 2:18 pm
Coming from a Baptist upbringing, the Anglicans were all a little stiff, the Catholics had their idiosyncrasies which you made allowances for, JW’s, Mormons and Muslims were cults, Masons were occult.

Driftforge

4 Jul 12 at 2:20 pm
but then the JW’s – who I wouldn’t classify as Christian at all – seemed to think even use of the cross was idolatry.

The JW’s don’t celebrate birthdays or Christmas. No wonder they need to go door to door looking for other whackos.

Infidel Tiger

4 Jul 12 at 2:20 pm
ITT religious whackos have a serious discussion regarding whether or not a community organisation is really a front for Satan worship.

Should we address you as ‘bro’ Yobbo?

coz

4 Jul 12 at 2:21 pm
The people that like the cartoons respond positively, whilst the people that are less than impressed tend to stay silent. Your measure of objectivity is flawed.

Again, there is no objective way to measure the quality of a blog post (or cartoon). It’s clearly a subjective issue. So if you want to allow one person to promote their blog regularly in open threads, then it’s open slather. Or you restrict this kind of thing. Picking and choosing isn’t right, because what you think is great I might hate, and vice versa. Why should your guy be allowed to persistently flaunt his wares whilst my guy is silenced?

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 2:22 pm
I’m not a mason, I prefer to worship Satan in my own way.

Yobbo

4 Jul 12 at 2:23 pm
cos he’s probably a friend of Sinkers or something.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 2:23 pm
^above was directed at OCO’s last post.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 2:24 pm
I’m not that impressed by the ‘toons, but I’m not an inner circle person here, so I don’t really care.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 2:25 pm
You always had that evil satanic way about you, Yobbo. Now at least it’s in the open.. you’ve come out of the closet.

Hey by the way, what’s that sports cheating thing you were talking about in your blog back then?

JC

4 Jul 12 at 2:27 pm
That Sri Lankan bowler Muralitheralunspellableian

Sorry, that was terribly culturally insensitive.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 2:30 pm
Mattiah Muralitharan retired after a lifetime of cheating at cricket.

Yobbo

4 Jul 12 at 2:33 pm
Hey, I wasn’t that far off! And I don’t even give a shit about cricket!

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 2:35 pm
Now frog in a blender, that was culturally insensitive (and funny).

Token

4 Jul 12 at 2:36 pm
Mattiah Muralitharan retired after a lifetime of cheating at cricket.

Would’ve been a great darts player.

Infidel Tiger

4 Jul 12 at 2:38 pm
JC, the Church of Satan started by Anton Levay in the 60s is basically Objectivism with eyeliner and robes.

Not that I am an objectivist, but the Church of Satan more closely resembles my own world view than any other religion.

Yobbo

4 Jul 12 at 2:44 pm
Really disappointing response from Abbott:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/senator-lashes-out-as-pollies-given-another-5500-pay-rise/story-fndo3ewo-1226416182460

For Abbott to get my support I expect him to curtail the outrageous levels of pay our politicians and senior public servants are getting, and put the setting of these salaries back into the democratic process where they belong (in contrast to this so-called ‘independent’ body that has awarded our politicians salaries amongst the highest in the world).

Bad show Tony, pick up your game.

John Mc

4 Jul 12 at 2:44 pm
He won’t do that, so vote LDP.

Abbott is a lot better than Julia, but at the end of the day, the Liberal Party is still a party of statists.

Yobbo

4 Jul 12 at 2:50 pm
Fuaxfacts’ Gittens: Houses hit affordability ceiling, the price plateau is here to stay

The decade of skyrocketing values was down to a one-off, and now it’s over.

Looks like speculative property investment might now be the go.

JamesK

4 Jul 12 at 2:50 pm
Abbott is a lot better than Julia, but at the end of the day, the Liberal Party is still a party of statists.

Every single one of them is a self-absorbed control freak, but at least Howard (himself a control freak) spoke out against the idea of this ‘independent’ tribunal, saying it was going to have undesirable consequences.

Although Abbott is definitely as big-government as Howard ever was, he could have at least spoke out against these extreme salary levels. Instead he downplays and defends them.

John Mc

4 Jul 12 at 2:55 pm
When an Apple programmer’s project got canceled, he didn’t despair. He just kept sneaking into the office until the program was finished.

Ron Avitzur knew his project was doomed. By the time his bosses cut the cord in August 1993, his team was actually relieved. The graphing calculator program they’d been working on for new mobile devices had finally been shelved, and they could all move on.

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/132066#ixzz1zcub2u12

Token

4 Jul 12 at 2:57 pm
blog etiquette

WTF? Since when did we have high standards let alone rules on the Open Thread

Nanuestalker

4 Jul 12 at 2:58 pm
For Abbott to get my support I expect him to curtail the outrageous levels of pay our politicians and senior public servants are getting, and put the setting of these salaries back into the democratic process where they belong (in contrast to this so-called ‘independent’ body that has awarded our politicians salaries amongst the highest in the world).

bwahaahaaa. Remember how Bob Brown was gonna do sumfing about politicians salaries? Won’t happen. Politicians do what is best for politicians as a class, they regard themselves as philosopher/kings.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 2:59 pm
Although Abbott is definitely as big-government as Howard ever was, he could have at least spoke out against these extreme salary levels. Instead he downplays and defends them.

Abbott is Howard’s sockpuppet.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 3:01 pm
Mattiah Muralitharan retired after a lifetime of cheating at cricket.

He was the most obvious, laughable cheat in the history of cricket. It was OK, though, because he was black.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 3:02 pm
Obviously you consider it just dandy for anyone to flood the site with links to their own blogs.

A five minute google exercise Grigory’s link stats here:

Forum date / links / total forum comments
Jun-06 / 2 / 1068
Jun-14 / 3 / 429
Jun-18 / 23 / 1275
Jun-23 / 7 / 1015
Jun-27 / 1 / 879
Jun-30 / 0 / 803

Oh yeah, a veritable deluge.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 3:02 pm
Stupid people getting overpaid is what makes the fabric of society great.

Dan

4 Jul 12 at 3:02 pm
Simply the funniest thing you’ll read today.

Julia Gillard, of course.

—————————————————

Some of us were actually joking about the Satan/Masons thing, Yobbo.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 3:04 pm
Faux-cohontis Warren is caught out again:

Cherokee genealogist Twila Barnes has caught Elizabeth Warren in yet another lie about her false claims of Native American heritage.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 3:04 pm
I don’t mind politicians getting good money, but no bureaucrat should earn more than minimum wage.

Infidel Tiger

4 Jul 12 at 3:05 pm
OK, Gab, so you have no problem with someone plugging their blog up to 23 times in the same thread.

Fine. Let’s agree to disagree.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 3:06 pm
I do appreciate your contributions, always read them!

Woohoo – dances around. A dedicated audience of at least one!! Da Hairy Ape has given me a lovely study, arrives home, solicitously asks, did you get any writing done today?

uum, well, umm, sorta.

You’ve been blogging again, haven’t you? (he confuses commenting with blogging)

Now I can say YES! and I’ve got an audience.

You do whatever you want, sweetheart, he always says indulgently.

Anyway, he’s filled my study with Rodger The Temporary Lodger. A great excuse for a good blog-up if there ever was one. RTTL is the UK’s most eccentric academic, outstanding in a crowded field.

CL I am sorry your blog is lost to us.

Coz – my father was a Mason and my mother tripped readily through to the Other World whenever and wherever the air was thin. There is no hope for me, is there unless I do as you say? Lizzie is a witch, must have it off with an incubus and is a child of Lucifer himself. I know I am on your hit list ‘coz you have told me so. On July 4 I have a lot more time for you than you have for me, I suspect. That’s because I actually think that tolerance is a virtue and believe firmly in your right to spout nonsense freely.

Still Blogstrop, you can’t win ‘em all, but even one notch on the blogpost is pretty good I reckon.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

4 Jul 12 at 3:07 pm
Simply the funniest thing you’ll read today.

Julia Gillard, of course

Let us thank all that is holy that her and Emerson never bred.

Infidel Tiger

4 Jul 12 at 3:08 pm
Why does the media continue to provide this Fat Fuck with oxygen? Any useful contribution Clive Palmer can make to informed political debate ends when he closes his cheque book.
What is it about Queenslanders that they feel entitled to inflict their stupidity on the rest of the country?

Well, I think that latter part of the observation is disproved with two words: Campbell Newman. We’ll hang on to him and let you Mexicans enjoy the outstanding gayness Ballieu and O’Farrell, thanks very much.

But yes, Palmer is a political imbecile and his presence on the campaign trail next year could spell big trouble for Abbott.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 3:08 pm
How does it hurt this site to have the cartoonist in residence link to his cartoons?

So because one gets on the Blogroll you think that that confers on them a title of cartoonist/wit/special guest in residence? If that is the case then maybe Pickering should be added? I see OCO’s point that if Potemkin’s posts are only for steering you to his web site it is bad etiquette on his behalf.

If he has to post links to his cartooons they should at least be relevant to the topic of the thread (with exception to the open thread, then he can post whatever he wants). I find most of his posts amusing but agree with the original statement that the posts are no more than advertising to like minded people from Cat to view his site.

Splatacrobat

4 Jul 12 at 3:10 pm
Well then perhaps you should all email Sinclair and ask him to ban Grigory.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 3:15 pm
http://www.news.com.au/national/sometimes-getting-9995-out-of-100-is-good-enough/story-fndo4eg9-1226416740429

I think she has a good point in that exams should be testing knowledge and understanding, not the ability to write quickly. She should at least have been given more time to complete her exam.

Then again, I do have a soft spot for asian girls with hypermobility of the joints.

Yobbo

4 Jul 12 at 3:17 pm
Lizzie – ‘my father was a Mason and my mother tripped readily through to the Other World whenever and wherever the air was thin. There is no hope for me, is there unless I do as you say? Lizzie is a witch, must have it off with an incubus and is a child of Lucifer himself. ‘

yeah you have to opt out, there is no neutral or atheist position, that’s an illusion – being owned and operated by satan is the default setting, so people who don’t opt out are by default, satan’s. That’s also why it’s kinda unecessary to join lodges and other left hand path organisations, I think those people just like to suck up more in the hope of being house niggahs when their massah reveals himself.

Lizzie ‘I know I am on your hit list ‘coz you have told me so. On July 4 I have a lot more time for you than you have for me, I suspect.

I don’t recall anything of that nature, I’ve only had very limited contact with you, not sure how you arrived at that idea. I only have some limited impressions. I’m always glad to see more women post here, it gets a bit homosocial at times.

‘That’s because I actually think that tolerance is a virtue and believe firmly in your right to spout nonsense freely.’

Self praise is no recommendation.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 3:20 pm
Ms Gillard says in her speech today, the facts are on the table – “indeed, on the kitchen table”
i don’t understand the kitchen bit.
she says some strange things

candy

4 Jul 12 at 3:21 pm
No need for petulance Gab. You asked fisky what his problem was and he told you. I don’t want Potemkin banned but Fisky’s right to be able to raise his concern.

Splatacrobat

4 Jul 12 at 3:25 pm
Gab, you overlooked the following:
Open Forum, June 16 – 14 Potemkin links.
June 12 – 6 Potemkin links.
June 9 – 5 Potemkin links.
June 2 – 3 Potemkin links. (I think that was the first occasion he started spamming threads with links to his blog – I could be mistaken).

Oversights, I’m sure. I didn’t check your other claims; I’m sure they’re correct.

Anyway, all things considered, I don’t think the word ‘flood’ was used inaccurately.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 3:27 pm
lol petulance indeed. Nothing of the sort simply a solution. Don’t be so sensitive.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 3:28 pm
I don’t think the word ‘flood’ was used inaccurately.

Rubbish.If he linked even 10% of total comments per forum maybe, but he is nowhere near that. I notice you didn’t include the number of total comments made.

Anyways, I’ve already supplied a solution to end your distress. Your choice.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 3:31 pm
To suggest banning him a solution? Sorry I mistook this comment as being serious not humour…..you were joking weren’t you Gab?

Splatacrobat

4 Jul 12 at 3:31 pm
Why would I be joking when you and OCO consider his cartoon links as spam?

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 3:33 pm
Kitchen Cabinet. Kitchen Table.

Dan

4 Jul 12 at 3:34 pm
Gab: no one’s suggesting that Grigory be banned. If this were my blog and if I sufficiently appreciated Grigory’s cartoons, I would make him a contributor and allow him to post them on the main page.

However, regardless of whether I made him a contributor or not, I would request that he cease promoting his blog in the way he currently is. And if he ignored me, I’d delete the comments in which he did so.

However, this isn’t my blog, and what I’ve been saying on the matter is just one man’s opinion, and I’ve never claimed it to be anything other than that. Let’s not be throwing the word ‘ban’ around. No need for overreactions. I’m not a fan of the circular firing squad.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 3:37 pm
Kitchen full of dancing idiots

Dan

4 Jul 12 at 3:37 pm
I agree, OCO, your overreaction to the cartoon links was unnecessary.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 3:39 pm
Yobbo

The kid is a lunatic. There’s no other possible way of describing her. And yes, time is an important element in determining if a person understands something and she was give what appears to be adequate time.

JC

4 Jul 12 at 3:39 pm
I didn’t include the comments number, because it’s much less relevant than you make out. If even 1% of advertisements shown on television are Coke ads, that’d be considered a veritable advertising barrage.

Similarly, if you are posting 23, or 14, or 6 different links to your blog on one – albeit long – thread after another, that’s a heckuva lot of self-promotion. Flood – yes.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 3:41 pm
I agree, OCO, your overreaction to the cartoon links was unnecessary.

Being deliberately obtuse is never a good look, Gab.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 3:42 pm
Every time you post here it is self promotion, OCO.

Sinclair is the blog owner and he decides who posts here or not. I’ll leave it up to him to decide.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 3:43 pm
It’s a comments thread. I’m commenting. That’s what the thread’s for.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 3:44 pm
so people who don’t opt out are by default, satan’s

la la la la la la la, Coz. Your views, you keep ‘em. Religious mania. The best meds for you are the blue ones.

not sure how you arrived at that idea

Late one night, must be a month or more ago now, Coz.
Child of Satan stuff to me then.

Self praise is no recommendation.

Sin of Pride stuff eh? La la la.

Beam her up, Scotty.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

4 Jul 12 at 3:44 pm
It’s a comments thread. I’m commenting. That’s what the thread’s for.

Yes and Grigory comments via his cartoons.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 3:48 pm
No, he promotes his blog via posting links to it here.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 3:49 pm
Slow day? Nothing of substance to argue about?

Sinclair Davidson

4 Jul 12 at 3:53 pm
OCO -
Do us a favour and shut up. Who gives a crap, its an open thread and he’s not promoting Coke. Grigory’s cartoons are his comment. Build a fucking bridge and get over it.

Nanuestalker

4 Jul 12 at 3:54 pm
There is no advertising on his site. He’s not asking you to buy a copy. The cartoons are not offensive in a puerile way. It is maybe/perhaps/probably not self aggrandisement, but ultimately, who gives a toss if it is? Don’t click the link.

Dan

4 Jul 12 at 3:54 pm
Rubbish.If he linked even 10% of total comments per forum maybe, but he is nowhere near that. I notice you didn’t include the number of total comments made.

Your linking total number of comments to number of potemkin posts is somewhat the same arguement that warmists use to justify calling Australia the world’s biggest polluter (tonnes emmitted in Australia per head of population). Total number of comments is irrelevant.

One or two links to “relevant” cartoons on a subject thread most would consider contributing to discussion but 14 links in one thread is self promoting spam. I’m sorry if you can’t see that Gab.

Splatacrobat

4 Jul 12 at 3:55 pm
This really is my last word on the matter because I am hideously late for an appointment because of this rather pointless exchange.

Gab, I would be more than happy to suggest Grigory be made a Catallaxy contributor so that he can post his cartoons on the main page.

However, I am against the practice of up-and-coming bloggers relentlessly promoting their blog via posts on popular blogs (such as Catallaxy) which simply link to posts on their blogs which may or may not be relevant to the conversation at hand. And if you allow one individual to do this, I don’t see how, in all fairness, you can deny 20 (30, 40 – the sky’s the limit) more up and coming bloggers, who will of course be of varying quality, the same privilege. And if that’s the case, you would find a significant proportion of OTs consisting of such posts. And that would be irritating.

What I’m talking about is just poor blog form.

Of course it’s Sinclair’s decision to do as he wishes on his blog. I never said it wasn’t. I was always simply expressing an opinion.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 3:59 pm
Oh Moderator, give them a subject

Dan

4 Jul 12 at 4:00 pm
Nanuestalker: if you don’t give a crap, why don’t you take your own advice?

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 4:01 pm
Lizzie ‘I know I am on your hit list ‘coz you have told me so.’

oh ok I geddit, this was projection, it’s actually I who am on your hit list. Takes a while to see sometimes, the way people actually tell you everything, but in projected terms.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 4:01 pm
Yes and Grigory comments via his cartoons.

He was getting a bit over the top with them… I actually don’t object to self-promotion if it’s relevant (which it arguably is) and in the context of greater discussion… But he isn’t posting many comments – just lots links it seems.

The penis pills example someone used earlier was a silly example – but not for the reason CL said:

The penis pills analogy doesn’t work. Grigory isn’t selling anything.

He’s “selling” his site – I don’t think the money thing makes a difference.

In short, it’s up to the blog owners whether they think it’s OK… for my part, I find the links mostly inoffensive, though after seeing the first few, rarely worth clicking… However, I’d prefer he cut back on them, or least make more actual comments rather than just post links, as it feels like I’m being talked at instead of someone joining the discussion.

That all said, I find the whole topic of conversation more boring/annoying than the links themselves. When a majority of a thread is basically meta discussion about the thread itself, it’s pretty much dead.

Fleeced

4 Jul 12 at 4:02 pm
Yes fleeced, lets talk about the Fisk doctrine and if a 10 year ban on leftism is enough time. I think Fisk is cutting corners and is far too ‘liberal’.

JC

4 Jul 12 at 4:04 pm
10 years not enough time, JC… we’ve got to deal with education, and that requires a whole generation to be de-programmed AFTER the Great Purge(tm) is applied to schools and universities.

Fleeced

4 Jul 12 at 4:07 pm
This really is my last word on the matter

Yes, so you said about an hour ago.

because I am hideously late for an appointment because of this rather pointless exchange.

Then why did you keep engaging and make yourself late for your appointment?

However, I am against the practice of up-and-coming bloggers

He’s hardly an “up and coming blogger”, he’s been around for quite some time.

Of course it’s Sinclair’s decision to do as he wishes on his blog.

Yes and I said the same an hour ago.

You use a lot of words, at least Grigory’s cartoons are short and have a point and take up far less reading time than your comments.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 4:07 pm
And no one is forced to click his link.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 4:10 pm
“Sinclair is the blog owner”

Technically Jacques is the owner.

Jarrah

4 Jul 12 at 4:11 pm
However, I’d prefer he cut back on them, or least make more actual comments rather than just post links, as it feels like I’m being talked at instead of someone joining the discussion.

A bit like watching Harpo Marx or Marcel Marceau on The Circle.

Splatacrobat

4 Jul 12 at 4:12 pm
Never mind the masons:
Church failed to tell of paedophile priest

THREE of Australia’s most senior Catholic clergy failed to tell authorities of evidence they received that a priest had repeatedly sexually abused boys as young as 10 in New South Wales. Two of the victims committed suicide.

SteveC

4 Jul 12 at 4:13 pm
No need to get nasty, Gab. It’s a beer appointment. These tend to be flexible. So please don’t worry about my schedule. Pax, and take care.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 4:13 pm
If anyone has been nasty it’s been you, OCO. But I will take note of your sensitive nature and adjust accordingly in the future so as to not offend.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 4:15 pm
Another cartoon from a blog I like…

Who’s running The Big Scare Campaign?

Token

4 Jul 12 at 4:17 pm
We’ll hang on to him and let you Mexicans enjoy the outstanding gayness Ballieu and O’Farrell, thanks very much.

We’re enjoying the magnificence of Emporer Barnett actually. He has ruffled a few feathers by making a decision on the Perth and Cottesloe waterfronts after only allowing 20 years of master plans and public comment.

If it’s not a mine WA doesn’t really do development.

H B Bear

4 Jul 12 at 4:18 pm
You guys are tempting he-who-should-never-be-named to come back. I’m looking at all of you right now.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 4:18 pm
Gab’s not being nasty just nitpicking around irrelevant parts of your arguement OCO

Splatacrobat

4 Jul 12 at 4:19 pm
“Sinclair is the blog owner”

Technically Jacques is the owner.

I believe he simply hosts it. The domain owner appears to be “thomas vogelgesang”

BTW, the domain expires in a couple weeks – I suggest you see about getting it renewed now so you don’t forget.

Fleeced

4 Jul 12 at 4:19 pm
You left a beer waiting whilst you dragged that story out OCO?
What hideous bad manners.
If I were that beer, I’d spill myself in disgust.

Winston SMITH

4 Jul 12 at 4:19 pm
If anyone has been nasty it’s been you, OCO.

I beg to differ, but I will admit that ‘nasty’ was an ill-chosen word. Snippy would have been a better choice. And it’s regretful that you responded to my olive branch with sarcasm. Never mind. Well, I’m off. Have fun, folks. New topic, huh? Howsabout that Craig Emerson? Oh right, old news. Cheerio!

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 4:22 pm
The funny thing is that it was Fisky who first commented on Grigory, but seems to have slunk off like a dog breaking wind under the dinner table.

Splatacrobat

4 Jul 12 at 4:23 pm
Haha Winston, no I simply have some catching up to do.

Oh come on

4 Jul 12 at 4:24 pm
Oh come on, OCO, don’t be such a sore loser.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 4:24 pm
If I were that beer, I’d spill myself in disgust.

LOL

Nanuestalker

4 Jul 12 at 4:24 pm
Token, does his last name rhyme with ‘turd’?

Alex Pundit

4 Jul 12 at 4:25 pm
We’ll hang on to him and let you Mexicans enjoy the outstanding gayness Ballieu and O’Farrell, thanks very much.

I don’t know what is in Red Ted’s panties, but unlike Can Do Baz has to make a deal with Nile or the Shooters to get legislation through.

Its crazy to think that with all the time Ted Theodore spent in NSW after bolting so he would not get sued by for bilking the Qld taxpayer, he could not organise to get rid of the upper house in this state as well.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 4:27 pm
Token, does his last name rhyme with ‘turd’?

Sure does, and in every good thesaurus it that is a synonym for his name as well.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 4:29 pm
Takes a while to see sometimes, the way people actually tell you everything, but in projected terms.

Endless mirror reflecting mirror reflecting mirror if we continue with this Coz. Getting nowhere.

Let’s just say I do applaud some of your economic commentary but I can’t agree with your religious division of the world into the saved and the damned, in fact I find it offensive if pushed at me. Say such things, but don’t expect approval for saying them. The Islamists are very good at making that sort of division too, and we can see where such rigid thinking leads.

But no doubt some of my penchants and peccadillos irritate others, so on your religious feelings I will close the door, politely I hope.

I want to be a happy puppy today not an attack dog.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

4 Jul 12 at 4:50 pm
Slow day? Nothing of substance to argue about?

Well, we had the cfmeu and associated remoras blocking the CBD in Melbourne.

The bloated great yaks turned up on 3 of our projects wanting to know why we were working (duh)

Carpe Jugulum

4 Jul 12 at 4:52 pm
Fisky, OCO – sorry, I don’t agree. I’m quite happy for Grigory to post his links here (as if that means anything given it’s Sinc’s site), and I have his site bookmarked and visit it daily.

I simply done view that as ‘advertising’ in any way. he’s just commenting in a different format and in quite a clever manner. And a lot of his cartoon comments are just as topical as most things I or you two say especially on the open thread. And they are a hell of a lot more pertinent than anything SfB has ever said in his miserable life.

Mk50 of Brisbane

4 Jul 12 at 4:56 pm
…it is like a zombie topic, it will not die no matter how many shotgun blasts it takes.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 5:02 pm
Endless mirror reflecting mirror reflecting mirror if we continue with this Coz. Getting nowhere.

yeah but it’s just you in the mirror, I’m not there.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 5:11 pm
…or more correctly, I’m behind the mirror looking out, it’s only you who are in front of it, and the endless reflections are of yourself. I’m on the other side of the glass. Have a nice evening, anyways, everybody.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 5:15 pm
New thread topic ?

FORMER Victorian police chief Simon Overland has been appointed as the new secretary of Tasmania’s Justice Department.

The surprise appointment was announced this afternoon by Premier Lara Giddings, who accepted it ”may be seen as controversial”.

”This appointment has been given careful consideration and I do not believe that anything has occurred which should preclude Mr Overland from taking up this position,” Ms Giddings said.

Mr Overland resigned last June after an inquiry found police had released misleading crime statistics in the lead-up to the 2010 Victorian state election.

He was appointed by the Brumby Labor government to the role of chief commissioner of Victoria Police in February 2009, defeating rival Sir Ken Jones.

Myrrdin Seren

4 Jul 12 at 5:16 pm
I’d like to add my appreciation of all the work CL did at his own blog. His posts were insightful and beautifully written. The rewards were not there to balance the effort, I guess. Commenters included yours truly as well as idiot Homer, who CL would ask most evenings “Homer, do you actually read anything?”
Thanks for all of it, CL. Sorry to see it go down the memory hole.

blogstrop

4 Jul 12 at 5:16 pm
Oh well, at least a certain resident of a certain Australian city hasn’t been posting his pointless banalities.

And no, I am not referring to myself!

Rabz

4 Jul 12 at 5:23 pm
FORMER Victorian police chief Simon Overland has been appointed as the new secretary of Tasmania’s Justice Department.

What was that school-based comedy a few years back that Marg Downey appeared in after Fast Forward? She was the Principal – it was actually funny, unlike similar things the ABC tries to do but tends to capsize them with too many PC passengers.
Anyway, there was one where a girl was left behind after a school outing bushwalk. They found her again about a year later, turned completely feral and hissing at them. They don’t rescue her, and the killer line was Marg saying, as they boarded the bus home, “Leave her, she belongs there now.”
Overland, Tasmania. Yep.

blogstrop

4 Jul 12 at 5:23 pm
Good news. CL’s blog still accessible here.

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 5:27 pm
FORMER Victorian police chief Simon Overland has been appointed as the new secretary of Tasmania’s Justice Department.

It’s not like that mouth breather could ever find gainful employment in a private capacity. A moocher for life I’m afraid. Keeps him off the streets.

Infidel Tiger

4 Jul 12 at 5:28 pm
That’s good. His work’s there but my inane comments and Homer’s much worse ones are gone (I hope, anyway).
And the links still work! This one re Gillard and the BER at Bolt’s makes interesting re-reading.

blogstrop

4 Jul 12 at 5:33 pm
Whoops! Here.

blogstrop

4 Jul 12 at 5:34 pm
FORMER Victorian police chief Simon Overland has been appointed as the new secretary of Tasmania’s Justice Department.

The surprise appointment was announced this afternoon by Premier Lara Giddings, who accepted it ”may be seen as controversial”.

”This appointment has been given careful consideration and I do not believe that anything has occurred which should preclude Mr Overland from taking up this position,” Ms Giddings said.

Mr Overland resigned last June after an inquiry found police had released misleading crime statistics in the lead-up to the 2010 Victorian state election.

ugh why do we have to have these cadres, she just appointed an ex Labor premier to Chair Uni of Tas. Highly paid jobs for cadres all da way in Tas.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 5:42 pm
Technically Jacques is the owner.

Jacques hosts. Jason Soon owns Catallaxy.

Sinclair Davidson

4 Jul 12 at 5:42 pm
Overland, Tasmania. Yep.

noooooooo. Tasmanian police corruption is nowhere on the scale of Dictorian, this appointment is so he can spread his upside down pentagram badge corruption here. bleh.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 5:46 pm
http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2012/07/04/342905_todays-news.html

6 figure salary, according to the Murkury.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 5:50 pm
“The domain owner appears to be “thomas vogelgesang””

Wow, blast from the past.

Jarrah

4 Jul 12 at 5:50 pm
I’m behind the mirror looking out, it’s only you who are in front of it,

Just call me Snow White, o evil Queen.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

4 Jul 12 at 5:50 pm
Just received a cheery e-mail from Synergy, WA’s electricity supplier, telling me that they’re jacking up the price by 20%?!?!? They brazenly, and quite smugly put in, that 10% of the entire bill is now due to the carbon tax!!

Get this anti human clusterfuck of an abortion out of power!! No time soon though, I want them to go full term so the ultimate wrath of the electorate is thrust upon them. Lets go Queensland on the fuckers.

Harrys on the Boat

4 Jul 12 at 5:50 pm
c8to

Sinclair Davidson

4 Jul 12 at 5:51 pm
Ann Coulter saw through John Roberts as early as 2005

Right again she is.

Alex Pundit

4 Jul 12 at 6:05 pm
Just call me Snow White, o evil Queen.

Fond of the faux victim ploy much?

No, you don’t get the mirror thing, think ‘Alice’.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 6:10 pm
Passive agressives, what can ya say.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 6:11 pm
Simon Overland’s new position can’t be too demanding. Still time for a $190,000pa part time position with the Migration Review Tribunal on the side.

Tasmania should just be shut down and amalgamated with Victoria. Love to know how much that would save.

H B Bear

4 Jul 12 at 6:19 pm
Labor is running out of places to dump its friends.

H B Bear

4 Jul 12 at 6:21 pm
Simon Overland’s new position can’t be too demanding. Still time for a $190,000pa part time position with the Migration Review Tribunal on the side.

Tasmania should just be shut down and amalgamated with Victoria. Love to know how much that would save.

nah, the Dictorians here bring this up from time to time, fuhgeddaboutit. It’s like the notion that NZ must want to join the Australian federation. Unrequited.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 6:24 pm
Tasmania should just be shut down and ~~amalgamated with Victoria.~~ its inhabitants pushed into the sea.

The land can then be used for wine production and farming by FIFO workers from the mainland.

Infidel Tiger

4 Jul 12 at 6:25 pm
IT, that is the most sensible comment on Tasmania I have ever heard.

Harrys on the Boat

4 Jul 12 at 6:27 pm
So we are agreed that Grigory will be the first victim of the Fisk Doctrine?

Thanks. Thought so.

Fisky

4 Jul 12 at 6:30 pm
I spent my youth staring at maps Of Tasmania wondering about its lush forests and glistening mountain streams. Imagine my surprise when I got older to discover it was a c*** of a place.

Infidel Tiger

4 Jul 12 at 6:32 pm
Coz, you were the one who said I was projecting something on to you, which I was not doing. I could see no point in further discourse with you.

Passive agressive, never been called that before. Street fighter, yes. This cat scratches.

I’d would have made a lovely Alice, Coz. So nice of you to think of me like that. Blonde, blue hair-ribbon, blue-eyes, little heart-shaped face, a pretty little girl, would have made Lewis Carroll faint. My Latin teacher used to called me his little dolly blue eyes and stand me on a chair to recite Ovid. He’d have been prosecuted today. As doubtless would Lewis Carroll.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

4 Jul 12 at 6:38 pm
yes, it’s all about you lizzie, everything anyone ever says is always about you, it’s you in the spotlight you in the mirror. YOU YOU YOU.

Here’s a song for you and sfb, the biggest attention whores at this site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCB-9wMylhU

coz

4 Jul 12 at 6:48 pm
“I spent my youth staring at maps Of Tasmania”

I thought you were going in a totally different direction with that sentence beginning.

Jarrah

4 Jul 12 at 6:52 pm
I T

Thank you for my 10 decibel LOL at your disillusionment.

Roy

4 Jul 12 at 6:58 pm
Jacques hosts. Jason Soon owns Catallaxy.

As it has been necessary to spend the afternoon examining Sinc’s navel, on account of the fact that the news has been cancelled because the meeja has suffered an enzombieing attack of incompetence (a subject for another day), it might be opportune to throw up the possibility that the Cat could take advertising to defray expenses. The Google algorithms would have to pedal harder than Cadel Evans to define the Cat’s feisty audience, but from the owner’s point of view, it’s money for jam requiring zero input for $1000-$3000 p.m. based on current traffic, which I’m sure would have many uses. No-brainer for me; love to hear what others think.

Tom

4 Jul 12 at 7:17 pm
FORMER Victorian police chief Simon Overland has been appointed as the new secretary of Tasmania’s Justice Department.

What a perfect idea. Send all the rotted out Labor garbage down to Tasmania as reward for them sending up the Greens.

After the next election they’re going to need to build some more houses.

twostix

4 Jul 12 at 7:18 pm
it might be opportune to throw up the possibility that the Cat could take advertising to defray expenses.

That’s a good idea, so long as all advertisers present themselves as such and do not pretend that they are doing otherwise.

Fisky

4 Jul 12 at 7:22 pm
“The Occupy Cookbook project ran into contradictions at every turn in part because the acts of preparing and serving food are so complicated, bringing so much joy and also carrying so much baggage. Cooking can be an art or a pleasure; it can also be sheer drudgery, a burden and an obligation. We all deserve to be fed but, in order for this to happen, someone has to be enlisted to feed us”

Hahahahaha!!! Via Tim Blair.

Tom

4 Jul 12 at 7:27 pm
Now why are houses so expensive?

He has had land subdivisions clogged up in the planning process for seven long years during which “the GFC hit and the market changed”. On the south coast he was involved in a subdivision to build 1600 houses, that was bogged down for four years over the whereabouts of a white footed dunnart, a small marsupial that looks like a mouse. Although only one had ever been spotted, he had to prove he was not trying to build in a dunnart habitat.

He spent $100,000 on consultant reports. Holes were drilled into the ground and sticky tubes inserted to try to catch animal hairs, on which DNA analysis was performed. People crawled on the ground looking for dunnart poo. But for almost four years there was no sign of the elusive dunnart.

He hired a dunnart expert to tell the Department of Planning that the creatures were nomadic and not likely to be living in the area.

But still, the department was worried. Based on “the precautionary principle”, Greg was forced to set aside 6ha, or 45 house blocks, for a dunnart conservation area. In the end, he lost 60 of the 160 house blocks he was planning to develop. He sold out of the project in disgust.

“If you gave me a block of land for free and it had environmental issues, I don’t think I’d touch it. The grief involved isn’t worth it.

The green left bureaucracy needs purging yesterday.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/mirandadevine/

twostix

4 Jul 12 at 7:27 pm
“I spent my youth staring at maps Of Tasmania”

Didn’t we all?

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Thanks, ‘strop. Your Homer recollection made me laugh.

I love Homer, the irritating bastard.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 7:29 pm
Haven’t seen Tal for a while.

Hey Tal!

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 7:30 pm
…
Department of Environment and Climate Change are totally, utterly against any development at all.

“They sit there and dream up any reason. They make you do another study because they know it will cost $30,000 to $40,000 and take you six months. You get tooled in a meeting and you know it, but there’s nothing you can do. These guys are zealots.

“It’s like guerrilla warfare, all these tactics to make sure nothing happens, and no one in the department is responsible.”

Anybody have any lessons learned from the great stalins Great Purge that might be relevant to help old Barry O’Farrell?

twostix

4 Jul 12 at 7:31 pm
Go Queensland!

Tonight’s decider is reportedly the biggest sports telecast bonanza in the history of Australian sport.

It’ll be tough for the locals to win tonight. The Blues have a lot of positive momentum and Slater is sidelined.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 7:32 pm
As predicted not hours ago…

Clive Palmer seat bid ‘a threat to Abbott campaign’.

Fuck off, idiot.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 7:35 pm
“Fuck off, idiot.”

yes, he seems to be throwing his weight around a bit too much.

candy

4 Jul 12 at 7:40 pm
If I was Premier I’d give that developer the top job in the Department of Planning, then subsume the Dept of Environment into the Dept of Planning so that he got the pleasure of enacting revenge.

That’s you gotta roll O’Farrell you cowardly fucker, get on with it!

twostix

4 Jul 12 at 7:41 pm
I was interested to hear from Clive that a senior member of the Liberal party is also a paid shill for other interests and that it’s apparently ‘legal’. You folks may not like it, but others do.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 7:45 pm
And there’s a lot to throw, Candy!

SteveC

4 Jul 12 at 7:45 pm
Twostix

I wouldn’t put it past an eco activist to “plant ” some dunnart poo or even pretend to sight some Black-throated finches, would you?

Jumpnmcar

4 Jul 12 at 7:46 pm
So Hildebrand was one of the ones who thought Mirabella’s reaction to the fainting Sheikh was genuine indifference.

Can see why he only has a blog these days at the Telegraph.

Haven’t seen his ABC2 show yet. Would expect it to be of similar quality to his blogging.

Alex Pundit

4 Jul 12 at 7:51 pm
Reminds me of the time ooh twas only the last election that it was revealed that members of both liberal and labor parties bet on the outcome of elections and they both brushed it off as ‘but it’s not illegal’.

uh and who make the laws here?

Criminal cartel anyone?

coz

4 Jul 12 at 7:52 pm
I wouldn’t put it past an eco activist to “plant ” some dunnart poo …

Flinging faeces – it’s what the left/green collective does best!

blogstrop

4 Jul 12 at 7:54 pm
I wouldn’t put it past an eco activist to “plant ” some dunnart poo or even pretend to sight some Black-throated finches, would you?

Regarding the Black Throated Finch in the Galilee Basin, well, Greepeace said themselves that they’d do it:

4.2 The Battle of Galilee
…
What this looks like:
The first step is detailed research into the impacts to identify
opportunities to stop, limit or delay the developments – looking
at groundwater threats, endangered species habitat, financing of
infrastructure and mines, economic impacts etc.

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/1206_greenpeace.pdf

twostix

4 Jul 12 at 7:56 pm
Hildebrand trashed. Has he crossed over, or was he always there?

blogstrop

4 Jul 12 at 7:56 pm
yes, it’s all about you lizzie, everything anyone ever says is always about you, it’s you in the spotlight you in the mirror. YOU YOU YOU.

Just got in and found this little spray from puss-cat. You do sound a bit hysterical, dollink. Even a little bit envious? Repetitive and boring in fact, just like your taste in music, sung by a beta male for baby-teens. My Hairy Irish Ape sings me a song with the refrain of ‘you, you, you’, written by Cole Porter. Nicer than your drivel.

Of course I’m an attention seeker. Who isn’t, really? One way or another. We all come on here for our own reasons, and mine are private. You are free to skip; do so. I make fair comment, my way, try not to derail threads or be seriously unpleasant, and enjoy the varied comments of others. Your hand is up quite a lot for attention too and I have a dread suspicion it might get worse.

You come on here essentially I suspect to prozelytise your crazy pentagram visions of hell awaiting and da evil world of Lucifer. Too many refusals doing the door-knocking lately? However, if it helps you to vent these visions then so be it.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

4 Jul 12 at 7:56 pm
BOM’s climate zombies are trying on the doom hysteria again, predicting a “scorching” El Nino. Given that it uses the same type of professional clowns that have made the UK Met Office a laughing stock, and the same models, you can just about bet it won’t happen.

OUR dams are full, the lambs are fat and the sprinklers are running again. But weather experts are warning Australia’s east coast to brace for a return to dry conditions, perhaps even drought, as another El Nino event looms.

After two consecutive years of record rainfall and devastating floods brought on by La Nina, the Bureau of Meteorology warned yesterday that climate indicators show a shift towards drier weather patterns, and a potential swing to the opposite phenomenon, El Nino.

Warmer waters in the Pacific Ocean can trigger an El Nino, which brings less rainfall and drought such as the one that drained Warragamba dam to one-third of its capacity five years ago. Cooler waters bring on La Nina and associated wetter conditions, including those that spurred this year’s floods across NSW, and the devastating Brisbane floods the previous summer.

A bureau climatologist, Acacia Pepler, said conditions along the equator were yet to reach El Nino thresholds, but most climate models were predicting the event would develop in late winter and early spring.

”The chances of us reaching El Nino are growing,” Ms Pepler said. ”It’s not certain yet, but probability is increasing as the weeks pass.”

Tom

4 Jul 12 at 7:57 pm
Has he crossed over, or was he always there?

I think it’s the latter. I know he’s one of Blair’s mates but watching him on Sky sometimes he comes across as part of the ‘inner-city crowd’.

Alex Pundit

4 Jul 12 at 8:05 pm
So Hildebrand was one of the ones who thought Mirabella’s reaction to the fainting Sheikh was genuine indifference.

Hildebrand’s right, she should have run away.

twostix

4 Jul 12 at 8:08 pm
I think it’s the latter. I know he’s one of Blair’s mates but watching him on Sky sometimes he comes across as part of the ‘inner-city crowd’.

You don’t thing Hildebrand would have cleared the desk in one bound, slapped the sheik to check for consciousness then upon finding none, cracked open a VB, slammed it down fast, heaved his good mate “Sheiko” over his shoulder and carried him to safety?

Doesn’t strike you as that sort?

twostix

4 Jul 12 at 8:16 pm
Yep, we had these government paid floozies doing FIFO in the remote Northern Territory. They were on the Medicare, Education, Housing and Art teat.

Little wonder the scene was so atrocious, who’d want to give that comptroller position & lifestyle in the Apple Isle up?

Jessie

4 Jul 12 at 8:16 pm
To me, Ms Mirabella seemed cold, puzzled. His right hand was jerking like a seizure. But it seems the Sheik fellow is known for stunts? I take no notice of Getup as their ideas don’t interest me, so perhaps in retrospect she was puzzled and thought he was acting like an idiot? who’s to say.

Whatever, she has sent messages to him to wish him well and he’s probably a little embarrassed and doesn’t want his epilepsy broadcast. End of.

candy

4 Jul 12 at 8:24 pm
Hilderbrand has made me a little sceptical of his leanings. Maybe his recent period was a temporary jaunt to right wing rationalism, and he’s now returning to the PC left. Just a theory.

John Mc

4 Jul 12 at 8:28 pm
Stunts? It’s all GetUp is known for.

blogstrop

4 Jul 12 at 8:31 pm
A quick read through Hildebrand’s twitterings leave no doubt. And as for his promoting Australians as dumb drunk and racist, well…

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 8:33 pm
https://twitter.com/#!/Joe_Hildebrand

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 8:33 pm
No doubt you likely produced some fine entrepreneurial ideas and business after a hormone rush viewing such spatial wilderness to be exploited.
Bob did the same in another dimension.

Jessie

4 Jul 12 at 8:36 pm
Mirabella has stated she has poor vision in her right eye. Seems credible to me, she behaved like someone with limited vision in the relevent eye and seated next to a known prankster. In that situation you wait for others to define the meaning.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 8:37 pm
I take no notice of Getup as their ideas don’t interest me, so perhaps in retrospect she was puzzled and thought he was acting like an idiot? who’s to say.

That’s the first thing I though when I saw him. It looked like he was about to be a clown.

Given the lefts behavior towards Mirabella it takes some absolute balls for them to accuse her of “indifference”.

twostix

4 Jul 12 at 8:39 pm
Hildebrand trashed. Has he crossed over, or was he always there?

He’s admitted his is an inner city lefty, just disillusioned with Labor.

Listen to the rant on Sky, he is angry at Gillard & Swan…and the ALP for being nuff-nuffs for knifing Rudd when there is a solution for Labor…says Labor was “back on track”…

…he is still funny.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 8:41 pm
Hildebrand has always played to the crowd – and in Australia, the twitter crowd is still mostly of the left (efforts of sdog not withstanding). He’s playing for retweets.

Fleeced

4 Jul 12 at 8:42 pm
BOM’s climate zombies are trying on the doom hysteria again, predicting a “scorching” El Nino.

…been hearing it for the past few days…

Oh no, if we have El Nino back we may get a hot dry summer…get a chair and sit down and think on this…

Summer? Hot? Dry?

Token

4 Jul 12 at 8:43 pm
True, twostix. The left have absolute balls and more, but not in a nice way. We should take this as some sample of how they intend to conduct the next electoral contest: brutally, as a killing field, with the luvvie media in full cry. Response to this requires careful thought and planning – now. Off-the-cuff reponses will not be good enough in the heat of battle.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

4 Jul 12 at 8:46 pm
Also, in case you folks don’t know already, the Daily Fail seems to be employing a Australian left leaning story finder. As I’ve already explained, I often post at a certain ‘conspiwacy’ site where we have contempt for the Hegelian dialectic and it’s shrieking gatekeepers and this Daily Fail shill has turned up breathlessly announcing how shocked and horrified we should all be at some other Q & A item which, I can’t even remember, oh yeah it was the dopey George Pell vs some Brit atheist, yawn and then there was some other gumpf from this shill too, no recollection of that one, they do look for free ‘sensationalist’ stuff anywhere they can.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 8:47 pm
I look at the way Sophie Mirabella has been treated by the left and think she was being sensibly prudent when she first saw Sheik. .

Remember what Belinda Neal said to her in parliament, and the cowards in Labor never forced her to apologise.

Watch from 1:16

That said she better than Snow Cone Tone once it was realised he was not well.

Token

4 Jul 12 at 8:51 pm
Any reason you cut off before this para, tom?

But the Weather Channel, which measures the event using different indices, called the result early, declaring yesterday that El Nino had returned. ”Sea surface temperatures through the central tropical Pacific Ocean have gradually warmed during the past few months and are now more than 0.5 degrees above average, passing the threshold for El Nino conditions,” said senior meteorologist, Tom Saunders, adding that the rise must persist for five months before the event is ‘fully fledged’.

SteveC

4 Jul 12 at 9:21 pm
So what SteveC?

After an La Nina event we get an El Nino event.

The monsoon season in India, which is linked to El Nino, has been recorded since the time of the Indus Valley civilisation.

Your point?

Token

4 Jul 12 at 9:28 pm
You’re a weather expertologist now, SteveC.

JC

4 Jul 12 at 9:29 pm
…it might be opportune to throw up the possibility that the Cat could take advertising to defray expenses.

Sod that, Tom. I’d be happy to stump up $10 a month. I already pay for the Oz, and I don’t read that every day.

nilk

4 Jul 12 at 9:35 pm
I ain’t payin’, you should pay me.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 9:38 pm
By the clip of Q and A it looked like she was trying to avoid getting vomited on. Probably thought he had too much time in the green room.

Yobbo

4 Jul 12 at 9:43 pm
Yobbo

I really think that the expression on her face is suggesting..

“What the fuck are you doing” and totally flummoxed with it all. She simply couldn’t register that the oaf had fainted.

But WTF, a grown man fainting is really girly.

JC

4 Jul 12 at 9:45 pm
this is a few years old but deserves to be re-read

Ergas vs Manne
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/neo-liberalism-a-few-corrections/story-e6frg6zo-1225866694879

jtfsoon

4 Jul 12 at 9:56 pm
Real men don’t faint… They can collapse – maybe even pass out – but never faint.

Fleeced

4 Jul 12 at 9:59 pm
Lol, was it even a contest, jase? I remember that was the point in time I began to realize Manne was becoming the Right’s punching bag that you use to climb to higher levels.

Manne is like level 1 in tetrus for beginners.

JC

4 Jul 12 at 10:00 pm
it’s worth reading to see how Manne gets really upset towards the end but tries to hide it

jtfsoon

4 Jul 12 at 10:07 pm
He gets so upset he has to drag in climate change …

jtfsoon

4 Jul 12 at 10:11 pm
Lol.. Just read this fucking swill by the Mannester.

Fuck me dead, it’s so appalling it ought to go into snopes as the stupidest analysis ever written by a human being.

Manne:

Let me then begin by stating my case in telegraphic and necessarily un-nuanced form. I claim, first, that while neo-liberalism has undoubtedly increased per capita gross domestic product in the countries where it has taken root, it has also had two extremely negative and interconnected effects: a radical increase in social inequality and an altogether unhealthy bias in those economies towards the financial sector, a process commonly called “financialisation”. I claim, second, (influenced by economists such as Joseph Stiglitz and financiers such as Warren Buffett) that the most important explanation for the GFC was not, as some claim, the imbalance between China’s savings and US borrowings, but the explosion in the trade in the derivatives market in the US and beyond — and especially in those products based on subprime mortgages — whose dangerous lack of regulation is best explained by the alliance between the greed of those profiting from the finance industry, and the ideology of the neo-liberal true believers with their faith in the magic of the self-correcting market.

I claim, third, that with the arrival of the GFC, the economic illusions and naked ethical narcissism of the neo-liberals are now finally obvious for all to see. Markets are not self-correcting: greed is not good. And I claim, fourth, that while the future is unknown, the collapse of the illusions associated with neo-liberalism will mark a major cultural advance. It will allow us to see the strengths of the more egalitarian northwest European version of capitalism. And it will allow us, if we are willing, to tackle in earnest the problem of climate change, the greatest market failure in history, in which the scientifically irrational disinformation campaigns of the vested interests supported by the neo-liberal think tanks have played a calamitous role.

You’re in serious fucking trouble when you start volleying stigliz as a point of reference on anything in macro economics.

JC

4 Jul 12 at 10:27 pm
Remind me again why it’s our responsibility to answer every damned distress call from boats in Indonesia’s waters?

The crew of the boat called Australian authorities at about 4.30am AEST on Wednesday, claiming they were taking on water and needed help.

The call sparked a major search and rescue effort, with the Wollongong the first on the scene about 52 nautical miles south of the Indonesian island of Java.

The boat was located about 110 kilometres southwest of West Java and 370km northwest of Christmas Island, inside Indonesia’s search and rescue region.

nilk

4 Jul 12 at 10:28 pm
ok, it’s because ‘morality’ now consists of the sociopathic pushing of guilt and pity buttons. If people push said buttons and we fail to respond with cash or equivalent, we must be deemed to be ‘baaad’.

Guilt, as an income stream.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 10:35 pm
Remind me again why it’s our responsibility to answer every damned distress call from boats in Indonesia’s waters?

It’s good though. It puts more focus on the Slapper’s fuck ups. In fact, we should be answering distress calls in the Mediterranean if it puts more pressure on her.

JC

4 Jul 12 at 10:39 pm
Woo-HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 10:46 pm
QUEENSLANDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pete m

4 Jul 12 at 10:47 pm
What’s Newman done now?

Gab

4 Jul 12 at 10:49 pm
NSW should try less face massages and head high shots and less grouping behind and man up.

Only reason they got close is due to 2-3 silly plays by Qld. They played like shite tonight.

pete m

4 Jul 12 at 10:54 pm
Why do Queensland have the Gorn as their mascot?

Fleeced

4 Jul 12 at 10:55 pm
The point Token was it has nothing to do with “BOM’s climate zombies”. They are forecating hot dry summers…. So what you say? Exactly, so what? I was highlighting the pointlessness of Tom’s original post, so thanks for backing me up.

SteveC

4 Jul 12 at 11:01 pm
One very resigned Hairy Ape – ‘we were definitely robbed in game 1′ – but had to accept that Qld won this time – ‘we can’t complain about tonight’s game’.
He’s filling UK Rodger the Temporary Lodger in on the finer points as I type.

This passion. It is hard for me to grasp.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

4 Jul 12 at 11:01 pm
Heard on an earlier radio bulletin that the ‘asylum seeker’ boat was refusing Navy orders to stop, steaming on to Australian waters.

Smugglers are now essentially offering a more saleable product, advertised as a half trip to Australia completed in the comfort and safety of an Australian naval vessel.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 11:11 pm
Augments competing in Olympics… what next?

Fleeced

4 Jul 12 at 11:11 pm
Dubious of Brisbane writes:

Why did he need to “literally kick the door open with both feet”? Why couldn’t he just slide over and get out the other side? Do I detect a hint of spin-doctoring here?

Premier Campbell Newman in car crash on Sunshine Coast.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 11:24 pm
Your beautiful picture of the day.

C.L.

4 Jul 12 at 11:28 pm
The most gratifying ‘sport’ experience I’ve ever known was when I was a teenager, probably about 13 and my brother (the current masonist in the family) was playing Aussie rules teen games locally (we are tall genetically) and that particular game that weekend was played against Boystown Engadine and I encouraged the Boystown guys (first time I ever met an Aboriginal or a Catholic priest to talk to) to thump him as hard as they could, if possible and much to my gratification, they did. That’s as much as I understand about this bizarre pseudo religious cult of ‘sport’.

coz

4 Jul 12 at 11:45 pm
CL, just flashed your beautiful picture at Da Ape – his face was a picture, but not beautiful in its muted snarl, even to me who is very biased on the matter of his attractive features.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

4 Jul 12 at 11:46 pm
Good one, Coz.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

4 Jul 12 at 11:48 pm
..but most climate models were predicting..

Oh Puleeze. Stop wanking in front of your computer programs, look out the window, and grow up.

ENSO is currently neutral. Wishful thinking grant whores and climate trough swillers would wish it otherwise, but too bad..

Lazlo

4 Jul 12 at 11:52 pm
Honestly Fleeced this handicapped Olympics thing is almost a sick joke. I mean, look if you have less part of a leg or legs missing than the guys you win. FFS. Who we kidding.

I saw one dude who had no legs and was in the swimming competition. So the dude with legs and no arms wins? How the fuck is that a race?

JC

4 Jul 12 at 11:53 pm
I’m really not trying to sound amusing in any way about this, but why are we all kidding ourselves going to great expense and pretend these a fair competitions.

How the hell can anyone look at wheelchair basketball for instance and not turn away?

JC

4 Jul 12 at 11:56 pm
Quite so.

Lazlo

4 Jul 12 at 11:57 pm
oops… than the other guys, you win…

JC

4 Jul 12 at 11:59 pm
Yes, they are no longer handicapped in these cases – which is why I called them Augments (hoping the name catches on). It will render the sport unwatchable.

That said, an alternative competition where anything goes (drugs, surgery, augmentation, etc) might see some interesting innovation, not to mention, extreme results… that could be entertaining

Fleeced

5 Jul 12 at 12:01 am
Dubious of Brisbane writes:

Why did he need to “literally kick the door open with both feet”? Why couldn’t he just slide over and get out the other side? Do I detect a hint of spin-doctoring here?

Premier Campbell Newman in car crash on Sunshine Coast.

Geezuz CL, going by the comments on that article you’ve got some bitter, bitter leftists up there.

You know what would fix that? A well executed purge.

twostix

5 Jul 12 at 12:06 am
Geezuz CL, going by the comments on that article you’ve got some bitter, bitter leftists up there

In Queensland, their bitterness is all Lefties have left

Fleeced

5 Jul 12 at 12:09 am
Is it absurd? Not really.

Gab

5 Jul 12 at 12:13 am
Is it absurd? Not really. They’re just getting more efficient.

Gab

5 Jul 12 at 12:17 am
You’re in serious fucking trouble when you start volleying stigliz as a point of reference on anything in macro economics.

Point taken, but it’s pretty much fucked if the passage starts like this -

“Manne:”

Rob

5 Jul 12 at 12:27 am
This explains a lot:

Egypt’s New Islamist First Lady Najla Mahmoud is the President’s First Cousin.

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 12:30 am
Honestly Fleeced this handicapped Olympics thing is almost a sick joke. I mean, look if you have less part of a leg or legs missing than the guys you win. FFS. Who we kidding.

I saw one dude who had no legs and was in the swimming competition. So the dude with legs and no arms wins? How the fuck is that a race?

yeah, I got harrassed for donations for the ‘special’ olympics at my local Coles about a year ago, I asked the harassers if they were actually disabled themselves, but no, they’re commission salespeople. The scheme was bizarre, nutty and stupid and extremly complex, they said that there simply was’nt enuf fund to send a team, due to mismanagement of funds, so like if you buy X amount of a particular product at Coles, then ugh registered it with ‘them’ blah blah blah etc etc etc, it’s just another fake racket. Please don’t be sucked in by this shite.

coz

5 Jul 12 at 12:31 am
21:20; it must have been a corker. Disappointed to have missed it.

dover_beach

5 Jul 12 at 12:36 am
Haha… My first “job” was calling people to raise donations for Paralympics. It was an hourly rate, but with a huge churn – I was let go on second day for not making quota. Every time we got a donation, we had to ring a little bell after hanging up – and everyone not on a call had to clap.

I don’t think much made it to the Paralympic team.

Fleeced

5 Jul 12 at 12:38 am
This explains a lot:

Egypt’s New Islamist First Lady Najla Mahmoud is the President’s First Cousin.

Well look at the bright side. At least it wasn’t his sister.

JC

5 Jul 12 at 12:42 am
Just watched the highlights of the NSW press conference. Unable to be understood. Beautiful

Tiny Dancer

5 Jul 12 at 12:54 am
Just watched the highlights of the NSW press conference. Unable to be understood. Beautiful

Tiny Dancer

5 Jul 12 at 12:54 am
QUEENSLANDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cries pete m triumphally at 10:47pm, to which Gab replies:

What’s Newman done now?

Too funny Gab!

Mick Gold Coast QLD

5 Jul 12 at 1:05 am
Had dinner in Perth this evening with the chief of staff of one of the Barnett government’s ministers, a bright young political professional, as opposed to those versed in the jargon of political combat. In her words, the battle with the Greenslime is simply a matter of allowing progress to happen versus not allowing it. She agreed we were still to fight a protracted culture war against zombies in state and federal public services that will last well beyond the defeat of the Gillard rabble. Worth the trip over just to experience the optimism of a booming economy versus the basket cases Melbourne and Sydney have become.

Tom

5 Jul 12 at 2:19 am
You know what really shits me about the Simon Sheikh incident? It’s all of these arsehole Twitter nerds adjudicating on how someone should react in a crisis situation. Most of these people, with their “first world problems” have never been in a high pressure situation. I hate twats who pontificate on shit they don’t know about, like combat or emergency services work. STFU australia.

Abu Chowdah

5 Jul 12 at 2:39 am
Yeah Abu, I hear you… I witnessed an incident on the train a few years back (someone collapsed) and my reaction was … let’s say “delayed”. In a real situation (especially a first time) you don’t know how you’d react

Fleeced

5 Jul 12 at 3:21 am
So Egypt elects an inbreeding, swivel-eyed, ranting, warmongering religious fanatic and I take it we haven’t seen any of the usual smirking from the Left? I wonder why that is.

Fisky

5 Jul 12 at 3:22 am
Does anyone really believe a single LP commenter would have sprung into action when Sheikh passed out?

Fisky

5 Jul 12 at 3:28 am
Potemkin’s Village

A man’s very highest moment is… here

Grigory Potemkin

5 Jul 12 at 3:52 am
Ha!

Abu Chowdah

5 Jul 12 at 4:06 am
#WIN

sdog

5 Jul 12 at 5:14 am
At least for once it was relevant to the discussion.

Abu Chowdah

5 Jul 12 at 5:35 am
Quite appropriate after all the hand wringing and angst by some about Potemkin’s Village

Mike of Marion

5 Jul 12 at 7:08 am
Well said Grigory, no one can complain that one was not “on topic”.

Token

5 Jul 12 at 8:09 am
Does anyone really believe a single LP commenter would have sprung into action when Sheikh passed out?

They would all be arguing over who would chair the committee to develop the scope to explore action into a likely investigation into why Sheikh had collapse and whether any protected species would be hurt by action on the matter.

i.e. he would have been conscious before they had even figured out the voting rules.

Token

5 Jul 12 at 8:17 am
Don’t you have the certainty this Carbin pricing has provided business?

Feel the serenity:

THE government is negotiating with the Greens on changes to the floor price in its carbon tax scheme amid calls for it to be dropped and suggestions Labor is considering moving to an emissions trading scheme earlier than the scheduled start date of 2015.

Token

5 Jul 12 at 8:21 am
Fleeced

That said, an alternative competition where anything goes (drugs, surgery, augmentation, etc) might see some interesting innovation, not to mention, extreme results… that could be entertaining

I have arguing for years there should be ‘no laws in the arena’ competitions, where footballers, athletes, basketballers can juice themselves to the gills, inject and swallow whatever they want. The brains behind putting such competitions together would make a killing. Come on, who doesn’t want to see some running 100m in 9.0, in the morning, take out Johnathan Thurston in the afternoon, before being used as one of the parties in a dwarf-throwing contest that evening!?

Peter Patton

5 Jul 12 at 8:24 am
Onya Grigory. A dose of their own medicine, therapeutic for you and always works well.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Jul 12 at 8:28 am
Yeah Abu, I hear you… I witnessed an incident on the train a few years back (someone collapsed) and my reaction was … let’s say “delayed”. In a real situation (especially a first time) you don’t know how you’d react

When I took Psych as an undergrad, we read all these studies, watched all these videos, and conducted some L-plater experiments, which showed that the likelihood of you actually dying from an accident – drowning in a river, car accident, assault, stroke – increases positively, as the number and density of bystanders around you increases. You are much more likely to survive such accidents if there are very few people around, with your best bet being only one person witnessing your danger!

Peter Patton

5 Jul 12 at 8:33 am
Great stuff, Potemkin…

Rabz

5 Jul 12 at 8:47 am
You are much more likely to survive such accidents if there are very few people around, with your best bet being only one person witnessing your danger!

Interesting PP, did they explain why?

The first ideas that come to mind are:

* somebody else will do it
* somebody else is more experienced that I am
* (I’m loathed to blame this) what will happen if I fail in front of all these people.

Token

5 Jul 12 at 8:47 am
This really is the feeling in punter land…

Our navy is now the world’s most expensive taxi service

Token

5 Jul 12 at 8:48 am
… what will happen if I fail in front of all these people.

You’ll probably get sued…

Rabz

5 Jul 12 at 8:49 am
From the Oz article cited above:

The greenslime were said to have “pushed back” on the idea but infuriating MP rob oakeshitt, who helped negotiate the carbon dioxide pricing package…

Australia – ‘governed’ by morons.

Rabz

5 Jul 12 at 8:56 am
Token

Yep, all of the above. There’s a bit of:

1. “phew, I know I really want to help that guy, but by the time I move, a dozen other bystanders near me will have it sorted”.

2. I really am horrified rigid, my thoughts are all running, my fight-flight instinct has set in, so I’ll just freeze.

3. I really don’t care, and given there are so many people already here, no will ever know that I just shrugged my shoulders, and walked away.

4. In the movies, there’s always an off-duty doctor, nurse, or marine on board when an accident happens, so there’ll be plenty here to. I better not get in their way.

5. The energy of the bystanders can grab our attention much more than the danger of the victim.

And on and on. I’ll see if I can track down some of the videos we watched. The whole topic was pretty fascinating actually, and a real warning.

Peter Patton

5 Jul 12 at 8:59 am
some months ago I was walking down my street on way to shop and outside a house when elderly man came crashing down his front stairs. HIs wife said he must have had seizure as he had epilepsy and she was on phone for ambulance.
He was a bit juddery and nearly conscious so I just held his hand and talked to him and another neighbour got a blanket and we just sat and talked with him trying to comfort him till the ambulance came. He could have had spine injury so he couldn’t be moved, he didn’t and no head injury, just bruises. Nothing else to be done except be with him and make sure his wife was okay too.

candy

5 Jul 12 at 9:08 am
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Well said at Catallaxy Files

5 Jul 12 at 9:33 am
“I hate twats who pontificate on shit they don’t know about, like combat or emergency services work.”

Hear hear.
Well said that man…

Winston SMITH

5 Jul 12 at 9:44 am
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Does anyone know what these replies are all about? I’ve clicked on a couple of the names but remain totally nonplussed.

Winston SMITH

5 Jul 12 at 9:46 am
About thirty years ago, a schoolgirl was knocked over on a pedestrian crossing in front of me. Whilst she was lying on the ground, the driver gets out and is telling all and sundry to “Don’t move her she may have a spinal injury!” despite the fact that she had an obviously obstructed airway and needed to be put on her side, which myself and the two nurses who were with me did. She promptly started breathing again as her tongue moved to uncover her airway.
Hate to think what would have eventuated had we not ignored him.
Lesson: Do your own assessment if you can.

Winston SMITH

5 Jul 12 at 9:53 am
The brain takes a few seconds to adjust when something completely out of the ordinary happens.

Remember when some peanut ran at Prince Charles firing a starters pistol? It happened in Sydney years ago.

Chuck and most of the dignitaries on the dais, including several of the Top Brass, were like stunned mullets, but the NSW Premier, can’t remember his name, leaped up and tackled the guy. He got to him before the security guys.

I was most impressed by that.

Eddystone

5 Jul 12 at 10:19 am
Really ugly: Labor holds an anti-Asian white-power rally.

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 10:22 am
Angry Labor whites: just look at them.

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 10:22 am
Mother doesn’t give a shit where her toddler is, man next door blamed…

NSW man charged after boy drowns in his pool.

A New South Wales man will face court on manslaughter charges next month after a toddler fell into his unfenced backyard swimming pool and drowned.

Armidale resident Phillip Cameron, 61, is accused of causing the two-year-old boy’s death by failing to fix a broken perimeter fence for as long as a year, the Daily Telegraph reports…

In 2010 the law was changed to make people who didn’t fence their pools accountable if someone subsequently drowned.

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 10:33 am
Meant to include:

The child, who has not been identified, was visiting Cameron’s neighbour with his mother on May 14 when he wandered next-door and fell into the pool.

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 10:34 am
Mother doesn’t give a shit where her toddler is…

That’s a bit harsh, CL – I agree kids are the parent’s responsibility, but kids can be tricky little buggers – it only takes a second.

That said, it seems absurd this guy is being charged with manslaughter.

Fleeced

5 Jul 12 at 10:37 am
Chanting “Gina Rinehart’s full of s..t” and other union slogans

Remember the faux outrage over ditch the witch?

Token

5 Jul 12 at 10:42 am
I’ve written to Bernard Salt today about a glaring factual error in this article which could’ve been resolved with a quick google.

When someone like Salt can’t get a basic fact right, it makes me wonder…

Token

5 Jul 12 at 10:49 am
This woman sounds worse than the Soup Nazi:

Ichikawa’s restaurant has a notorious set of rules to cut food waste, with customers expected to eat everything on their plate and bring their own containers for leftovers and takeaway orders…

But in an announcement posted online, Ichikawa said Wafu would close in the coming months partly because not enough diners were willing to abide by her policies.

“First, many potential customers, and even some members, have entered Wafu without doggie containers,” she wrote on the Wafu website.

“I could not accept such inconsiderate people…

“Further, I found it distressing when, after eating, with obvious self-satisfaction, people said, ‘SO FULL!’.

“Perhaps this was meant as a compliment, but to me it meant that the utterer had deliberately damaged their body by wasting food through over-eating.

“It meant also that the utterer did not understand Wafu’s ways, and had not bothered to make the effort or take time to find out what these are.

“Wafu is viable, as a business, if I continue to accept inconsiderate, greedy people.

“But I couldn’t do it…”

H/T: Bolt

Fleeced

5 Jul 12 at 11:18 am
Meanwhile, in Canada, they’re talking about Emerson’s strange little fit…

I love his “Whooaah, this music really rocks, Bruce!” suburban party-face when the guitar riff kicks in. I think that’s what convinced me that carbon taxes are a good thing.

Betcha that while in school, he was always picked last for sports……. and dance.

Gab

5 Jul 12 at 11:20 am
kids can be tricky little buggers – it only takes a second.

One second to walk next door and fall in a pool?

No.

What was she doing, hitting the bottle?

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 11:43 am
LOL. This is being played on radio stations everywhere in Queensland today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iteRKvRKFA

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 11:44 am
LOL. DC’s narrative wrecked so he re-works it with an imbecelic spin:

LNP ruled by Palmer, says Swan.

He says the evidence for this is that Palmer has been ordered by Abbott not to run in Lilley and has, consequently, pulled out.

MR Palmer has decided not to run for Liberal National Party (LNP) pre-selection for Mr Swan’s Brisbane seat of Lilley and is looking at other Queensland seats, including Fairfax and Kennedy.

But Mr Swan told reporters in Brisbane that even though Mr Palmer had his “tail between his legs”, any other LNP candidate would be a “wholly owned subsidiary” of the mining magnate because of the influence he wields.

“The fact is that Clive Palmer owns the Liberal National Party in Queensland lock, stock and barrel and any candidate that runs in Lilley will be a wholly owned subsidiary of Clive Palmer,” Mr Swan said.

Thrown out by Abbott. Yep, that proves he’s running the party.

(Related: Abbott told me not to challenge Swan: Palmer).

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 11:52 am
but the NSW Premier, can’t remember his name, leaped up and tackled the guy. He got to him before the security guys.

Was it John Fahey?

blogstrop

5 Jul 12 at 12:04 pm
but the NSW Premier, can’t remember his name, leaped up and tackled the guy. He got to him before the security guys.

Not true. A bit of a myth. Charles’s principal bodyguard protected his person, Fahey was one of about three seated dignatories who sort of manhandled the bloke (after he fell over anyway).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9kbOTJGkT8

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 12:14 pm
And now the dude with the gun is now a barrister in Sydney. LOL

Fleeced

5 Jul 12 at 12:37 pm
This woman sounds worse than the Soup Nazi:

I would have loved to have taken my old NY trading buddies there. I reckon it would have turned into a knife fight with her.

JC

5 Jul 12 at 12:37 pm
A bit of a myth

Funny how memory can play tricks.

I remember (I think ) being unimpressed with the reaction of the Service bigwigs, but I obviously gave Fahey too much credit. Still a good response by him.

Eddystone

5 Jul 12 at 12:47 pm
And now the dude with the gun is now a barrister in Sydney. LOL

Seriously?

I’m guessing he does pro-bono work for the republican movement.

Eddystone

5 Jul 12 at 12:49 pm
Jumping John Fahey reacted better than Snow Cone Tone did in the great Sheikh fainting drama of 2012.

Token

5 Jul 12 at 12:50 pm
Seriously?

Yep:

David Kang (born 1971) is an Australian barrister. In 1994, while a student at Macquarie University, he fired a starting pistol at the Prince of Wales during an Australia Day speech at Tumbalong Park, Darling Harbour, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia, on 26 January 1994. His father is Robert Kang, a former Republic of Korea Air Force helicopter pilot.

He got 500 hours community service for his crime… we’re a soft lot in Australia.

Fleeced

5 Jul 12 at 12:54 pm
Really ugly: Labor holds an anti-Asian white-power rally.

Lol As Bolt says check out the accents of the speakers. They’re all freaking limeys by the sounds of things.

JC

5 Jul 12 at 12:55 pm
Really ugly: Labor holds an anti-Asian white-power rally.

Kudos to the organisers. To find a thousand people in Perth without jobs would be a Herculean effort.

Infidel Tiger

5 Jul 12 at 12:58 pm
They’re all freaking limeys by the sounds of things.

My call to ban British and European immigration had me labelled an eccentric at first. Now it’s mainstream thinking amongst the righteous.

Infidel Tiger

5 Jul 12 at 12:59 pm
I kind of like the Wafu restaurant ideas, doggie containers are sensible even if the food goes to the dog, it’s not wasted. And she says rice and salad are “not decorations”, and can be taken home, all sensible.

you can’t send unwanted food to the starving people in India but the waste you see in eateries of what people don’t eat does seem wrong somehow.
I wonder what happens to all that leftover food.

the owner seems a bit over the top with her rules tho.

candy

5 Jul 12 at 1:02 pm
Mumble sad about Gillard government:

Now it’s as if some 12-year-old is in charge of public relations. There are no grownups.

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 1:11 pm
How on earth did the Age go broke?

It’s a mystery.

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 1:12 pm
I kind of like the Wafu restaurant ideas, it’s just a pity about all the barking mad censorious fascism that goes with them.

Actually, I don’t – the ‘woman’ is insane.

Back to Norko with you, luvvie.

Let them eat dirt.

Rabz

5 Jul 12 at 1:33 pm
Tomorrow, The yaged finally answers that age-old question: how come we don’t have three legs?

Tomorrow, The yaged finally answers that age-old question: how come fish don’t swim backwards?

Rabz

5 Jul 12 at 1:38 pm
Hey Rabz, eels can swim backwards and Jack the Pake had an extra leg.

candy

5 Jul 12 at 1:40 pm
Thanks Candy, you learn something new every day…

Tomorrow, The yaged finally answers that yage-old question: how come its readers are deserting in droves and the share price is in the toilet?

Let me guess, it’s due to factors other than the insane leftist numpties responsible for the content?

Rabz

5 Jul 12 at 1:46 pm
Tomorrow, The yaged finally answers that age-old question: how come we don’t have three legs?

Tomorrow, the yaged finally answers that age-old questions: why can’t I telepathically take control of the mind of AGW-skeptics and force them submit to what the hive mind thinks is appropriate.

Token

5 Jul 12 at 1:47 pm
Wow, what a come down.

It kind of sounds like someone we know and treasure.

His name was William James Sidis, and his IQ was estimated at between 250 and 300 [8, p. 283]. At eighteen months he could read The New York Times, at two he taught himself Latin, at three he learned Greek. By the time he was an adult he could speak more than forty languages and dialects. He gained entrance to Harvard at eleven, and gave a lecture on four-dimensional bodies to the Harvard Mathematical Club his first year. He graduated cum laude at sixteen, and became the youngest professor in history. He deduced the possibility of black holes more than twenty years before Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar published An Introduction to the Study of Stellar Structure. His life held possibilities for achievement that few people can imagine. Of all the prodigies for which there are records, his was probably the most powerful intellect of all. And yet it all came to nothing. He soon gave up his position as a professor, and for the rest of his life wandered from one menial job to another. His experiences as a child prodigy had proven so painful that he decided for the rest of his life to shun public exposure at all costs. Henceforth, he denied his gifts, refused to think about mathematics, and above all refused to perform as he had been made to do as a child. Instead, he devoted his intellect almost exclusively to the collection of streetcar transfers, and to the study of the history of his native Boston. He worked hard at becoming a normal human being, but never entirely succeeded. He found the concept of beauty, for example, to be completely incomprehensible, and the idea of sex repelled him. At fifteen he took a vow of celibacy, which he apparently kept for the remainder of his life, dying a virgin at the age of 46. He wore a vest summer and winter, and never learned to bathe regularly. A comment that Aldous Huxley once made about Sir Isaac Newton might equally have been said of Sidis.

JC

5 Jul 12 at 1:54 pm
why can’t I telepathically take control of the mind of AGW-skeptics

“First, remove tinfoil hat to improve telepathic communications.”

blogstrop

5 Jul 12 at 1:57 pm
I gave up earlier, didn’t bother becoming a professor. Streetcar transfers eh? Cool!

blogstrop

5 Jul 12 at 2:00 pm
He found the concept of beauty, for example, to be completely incomprehensible and the idea of sex repelled him…

Bluddee hell. What a loser.

Rabz

5 Jul 12 at 2:02 pm
Where do I puke?

Nanuestalker

5 Jul 12 at 2:06 pm
What’s a streetcar transfer? I presume it’s a ticket?

JC

5 Jul 12 at 2:10 pm
Generally speaking, a transfer means a ticket given on a local, especially a city, public vehicle (in particular, a street car), as evidence of fare paid on one vehicle and good for travel on another vehicle for the same fare in continuation of the ride. In most American cities this is a common device where traveling from one part of the city to another necessitates changing cars.

Rabz

5 Jul 12 at 2:15 pm
From SL…

JC is such a gadfly

What a compliment!

Nanuestalker

5 Jul 12 at 3:46 pm
(Not SL herself but a comment on the blog)

Nanuestalker

5 Jul 12 at 3:49 pm
CLIVE PALMER: I know that Tony Abbott said some things about door knocking being important and it is. I’ve door knocked on more than four million doors since 1969

.

So big Clive claims to door knock 100,000 homes a year or about 275 homes a day.

Where did he find the time to start a mining empire?

Infidel Tiger

5 Jul 12 at 4:08 pm
Sidis was also a traditional (and dogmatic) Jewish socialist. They were everywhere in the early 1900s.

So he wasn’t altogether brilliant.

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 4:25 pm
I’ve door knocked on more than four million doors since 1969

I think that includes toilet doors IT. I have heard big Clive is partial to Indian curries but suffers greatly from the side effects.

Splatacrobat

5 Jul 12 at 4:33 pm
Clive is an excellent example of why folk should not be pre-selected for parliamentary representation until they have passed physical and psychological testing – just like a lot of other folk are required to before joining numerous organisations these days.

Myrrdin Seren

5 Jul 12 at 5:00 pm
Perhaps they can tack on an adjunct council to that new “fit to be a media mogul” council, Myrrdin?

Abu Chowdah

5 Jul 12 at 5:09 pm
Mmmm

Thinking of something more objective, like the OHS requirements of resource companies Abu.

I have the feeling that the ‘fit to be a media mogul’ test will consist of placing an image of said wannabe media mogul in front of a troop of howler monkey media academics lead by Robert Manne – and waiting for the shrieking and poo-flinging to subside ?

Myrrdin Seren

5 Jul 12 at 5:14 pm
“So he wasn’t altogether brilliant.”

Or it’s yet more proof – as if any were needed – that intelligence is wholly uncorrelated with political beliefs.

Jarrah

5 Jul 12 at 5:44 pm
Who said this?

“For as long as I’m around, and my team are around, we’re not going to allow these sort of more fringe groups continue their agenda,” he said.

“I mean, will we be able to go and sit in the local park, will that be an unacceptable impact?

“I don’t know, I mean it’s political correctness gone mad.”

Hint; PM material.

Jumpnmcar

5 Jul 12 at 5:46 pm
One for the history buffs.

Just following some links from Richard Fernandez’s site – lead to this interesting vignette:

http://www.saipanstewart.com/essays/American%20Embassy.html

“This trade later took place in West Africa where the Japanese diplomats who had been stationed in Washington (including Japanese negotiators Ambassador Admiral Kichisaburo Nomura and Saburo Kurusu) were exchanged for the American Embassy staff that had been assigned to Japan.”

I have wondered for years what happened to the respective embassy and consular staffs once the various hostilities broke out.

I imagine this was not observed regularly though – I don’t imagine the staff of the Polish embassies in Berlin and Moscow fared as well in 1939, for example.

Myrrdin Seren

5 Jul 12 at 6:17 pm
Eric Sykes RIP. His best work; The Plank

I loved the scene at 8.12 ,the Morris eight with suicide doors. My dad had one of these when I was a nipper.

Splatacrobat

5 Jul 12 at 6:22 pm
Aren’t GE energy one of the main “300″ carbin tax spruikers?

GE Energy has made the decision to put construction at its Colorado thin-film fab for “at least” 18 months.

Forbes reported the development yesterday, on the basis of news that GE was laying off workers at the site. GE Energy has since confirmed with pv magazine that the decision was made over the past month to halt construction and fit-out at the site and concentrate on R&D efforts. GE Energy’s Lindsay Theile told pv magazine: “This technology will reach a far higher efficiency level and more competitive cost position, and will require modifications to the plant design currently under construction.

Read more: http://www.pv-magazine.com/news/details/beitrag/ge-puts-cdte-plant-on-hold_100007623/#ixzz1zja6hmJb

Jumpnmcar

5 Jul 12 at 6:26 pm
Or it’s yet more proof – as if any were needed – that intelligence is wholly uncorrelated with political beliefs.

Perhaps not then, but tell me, who with an IQ of more the 79 vote for the Alliance? Can you guess? these would be people that hold Shane Wand in high standing.

JC

5 Jul 12 at 6:27 pm
Also another win for Obama.

According to GTM Research, U.S.-based, Abound Solar is set to close its doors, thus bringing more embarrassment to the U.S. Government, which supplied the cadmium telluride (CdTe) thin film module manufacturer with a $400 million Department of Energy (DOE) loan guarantee.

Read more: http://www.pv-magazine.com/news/details/beitrag/abound-solar-to-close_100007521/#ixzz1zjcekQzO

Jumpnmcar

5 Jul 12 at 6:30 pm
I remember Sykes being in a funny program that my mother thoroughly enjoyed. Hattie Jacques was in it too.

Here’s more info.

kae

5 Jul 12 at 6:31 pm
Mr Palmer would struggle to walk 50 metres let alone door knock and everything Mr Abbott does in a day, every day. He must know that, what’s he on about it’s pretty weird, does he think he can knock over Mr Abbott and become PM.

candy

5 Jul 12 at 6:40 pm
Even cartoonists are smarter than the ALP/Greens.

(No offence Grigory )

Jumpnmcar

5 Jul 12 at 7:11 pm
American site, so it could a little biased.

The 28 hottest Olympians.

http://www.brobible.com/girls/slideshow/28-hottest-olympians-london-this-summer?utm_source=theslingshot&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=the-hottest-olympians-of-the-2012-games#

JC

5 Jul 12 at 7:15 pm
WTF

Japanese parliament report: Fukushima nuclear crisis was ‘man-made’

Here

And faferksayk don’t read the comments unless you have a punch-proof screen.

Jumpnmcar

5 Jul 12 at 7:23 pm
Japanese parliament report: Fukushima nuclear crisis was ‘man-made’

AbbottAbbottAbbott again?

Splatacrobat

5 Jul 12 at 7:27 pm
The end of America etc:

Homeland Security Report Lists ‘Liberty Lovers’ As Terrorists.

A new study funded by the Department of Homeland Security characterizes Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal authority,” and “reverent of individual liberty” as “extreme right-wing” terrorists.

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 7:50 pm
“And faferksayk don’t read the comments unless you have a punch-proof screen.”

Can’t see any comments at that link.

Jarrah

5 Jul 12 at 7:55 pm
Scroll down Jazza. You’ll get there in the end.

JC

5 Jul 12 at 7:57 pm
Jarrah,

The “comments” are there

Mike of Marion

5 Jul 12 at 7:57 pm
Fine, Jump/Splat.
We’ll sell them coal to make up for their mothballing their nukes.
The Jerries too.

Winston Smith

5 Jul 12 at 7:59 pm
Looks like Gina is beginning to rattle Fairfax shareholdings – sold some of her holding

Mike of Marion

5 Jul 12 at 8:00 pm
i don’t get it, the Fukushima disaster was man made because of out of date systems that’s what the article says.

anyway, Japan has had great benefit from nuclear power and will in the future this was just a shocking blip that was bound to happen and other countries can learn from it.
I hope Aust can go nuclear in the future.

candy

5 Jul 12 at 8:01 pm
I know it’s not Independence Day, but this wonderful little gem from (I think) 1948 deserves a wider audience.

It’s a cartoon from the Harding College called Make Mine Freedom.

nilk

5 Jul 12 at 8:22 pm
CNN is not called the communist news network for nothing.

So a reactor designed 40 years ago for a Scale 7.5 quake and a 12 metre tsunami is wrecked survives without major radiation leak a scale 9 quake and a 30 metre tsunami.

And CNN says that?

CNN – it’s Mediaspeak for cretin.

Mk50 of Brisbane

5 Jul 12 at 8:44 pm
Fukishima should be a byword for the triumph of man over nature. Incredible work, Japs. Take a bow.

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 8:46 pm
Gillard government caught lying about impact of carbon dioxide tax, Combet blames “evil.”

And note how the fascist cockhead threatens the companies:

THE federal government says some businesses that supply gas for refrigerators and air-conditioners are engaged in “evil price gouging” following the introduction of Labor’s carbon tax.

But Climate Change Minister Greg Combet believes refrigerant companies are being “smarter” than the Brumby’s bakery chain by not directly linking prices rises to the tax.

“They’re just letting you draw a conclusion that somehow this is all the evil carbon tax, whereas it’s actually evil price gouging in my opinion,” the minister told Adelaide radio on Thursday.

“I know the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) is having a look at it.”

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 8:49 pm
i don’t get it, the Fukushima disaster was man made because of out of date systems that’s what the article says.

…yet the flotilla of boats calling the navy in sight of the Indonesian islands is not.

This is the crazy lefty world we’re living in.

Token

5 Jul 12 at 8:50 pm
Greg Combet believes refrigerant companies are being “smarter” than the Brumby’s bakery chain by not directly linking prices rises to the tax.

So he doesn’t know for a fact, it’s just his belief.

whereas it’s actually evil price gouging in my opinion,”

Again, he’s just guessing – unless he has actually seen the breakdown of their cost structure.

In other words, he’s talking shit.

Gab

5 Jul 12 at 8:55 pm
A new study funded by the Department of Homeland Security characterizes Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal authority,” and “reverent of individual liberty” as “extreme right-wing” terrorists.

That will probably replace the survey of seventy companies (of whom forty thought it safer to say they’d still be paying carbon tax in ten years) in the ABC’s friday morning bulletins.

blogstrop

5 Jul 12 at 9:14 pm
Perhaps we’ve found the Higgs Boson?

Winston Smith

5 Jul 12 at 9:15 pm
Imagine what the Department of Homeland Security would think of Jefferson or Washington, or basically anyone who signed the Declaration of Independence or the American Constitution.

John Mc

5 Jul 12 at 9:17 pm
The bad news keeps rolling in:
New vehicle sales hit historic high

LOW interest rates and $1 billion of lump sum carbon tax compensation payments propelled consumer spending towards a record high at the end of the financial year, making June the biggest month for motor vehicle sales in Australian history.

SteveC

5 Jul 12 at 9:18 pm
Why is that bad news?

John Mc

5 Jul 12 at 9:20 pm
A triumph over carbon dioxide, hey Steve.

LOL.

C.L.

5 Jul 12 at 9:21 pm
Higgs Boson? Nah, just another scam Winston.

SteveC

5 Jul 12 at 9:22 pm
Wow! Steve C does another “event study” in his playpen.

blogstrop

5 Jul 12 at 9:29 pm
I’m curious about why you think this is another scam, SteveC.

Winston Smith

5 Jul 12 at 9:47 pm
Because they are scientists, working for a government funded agency, what other explanation could there be?

SteveC

5 Jul 12 at 9:50 pm
steve the handout is going to deposits on cars and furniture it has to be paid off is this compassionate of labor to get people into this fix when handouts run out

candy

5 Jul 12 at 9:53 pm
I have heard of the phenomenon of doom car buying.

coz

5 Jul 12 at 10:03 pm
Why is that bad news?

Maybe SteveC is actually a used car salesman and these figures just just crashed the floor price of that datsun 180B he’s been trying to shift.

Splatacrobat

5 Jul 12 at 10:16 pm
Gillard’s carbon tax seems like it is being sold on the back of advice from the shonkiest salesman in history Arthur Daley

“You make contact with your customer. Understand their needs. And then flog them something they could well do without”.

Splatacrobat

5 Jul 12 at 10:28 pm
The U.S. jobs report will be released tomorrow night. Interesting to see what it says….

Not expecting any recovery here.

Alex Pundit

5 Jul 12 at 10:48 pm
Not expecting any recovery here.

Instead of unemployment rate, we should be looking at “100 – non-government employment rate”. Government is the fastest growing industry.

Fleeced

5 Jul 12 at 10:57 pm
It strikes me as grotesque in the extreme that this Labor government are stumping around the place lecturing business on being honest, not ripping off their customers and that they’ll be punished most severely for lying about the Carbon Tax. The Carbon Tax…the biggest lie and rip off in Australia’s political history. The government are literally demanding businesses hold themselves up to an infinitely higher standard than themselves and they’ll punish private individuals with criminal punishments for doing exactly what the Prime Minister did.

Utterly poisonous.

twostix

5 Jul 12 at 11:32 pm
This is interesting. It seems rather than moving away, she really isn’t letting up and closing down any possible loopholes they try to use to stop here from getting her board seats.

Hancock Prospecting Pty Ltd (HPPL) confirms that it has today sold 86,500,000 Fairfax Media Limited (Fairfax) ordinary shares to a major Australian fund manager. HPPL remains the largest single shareholder of Fairfax.
The sale was completed to resolve an issue that arose concerning the Directors and Officers Insurance Policy, in the situation of a Director having a greater than 15% shareholding in Fairfax. This was one of the key issues recently raised by the Chairman of Fairfax and needed to be resolved by either the Chairman authorising endeavours to raise the 15% limit, which has been able to be reasonably achieved by other companies, or, as also discussed with the Chairman, by sale of shares so that the largest shareholder had less than 15%.

JC

5 Jul 12 at 11:55 pm
oops, I’ll post it on the other thread.

JC

6 Jul 12 at 12:02 am
“Jarrah, The “comments” are there”

Can’t see them. It might be the plethora of plug-ins I have running on my browser, mis-identifying the comments section as advertisements or something and therefore getting blocked. Regardless, it sounds like I’m not missing anything important.

Jarrah

6 Jul 12 at 12:08 am
The U.S. jobs report will be released tomorrow night. Interesting to see what it says….

If it’s not perky, it’ll most certainly be “unexpected”. A Yank could safely bet their next pay packet on that. If they’re getting one.

Oh come on

6 Jul 12 at 12:13 am
Just looked at the link CL posted above.

That photo – at first I thought the hideous specimen wearing the “Dare to struggle” Eureka Stockade shirt in front, centre was a bloke with an epic pair of manboobs.

But then I thought perhaps it’s a woman. Anyone hazard a guess?

Oh come on

6 Jul 12 at 12:17 am
Because they are scientists, working for a government funded agency, what other explanation could there be?

You’ve given up. Are you feeling a bit sad today?

Abu Chowdah

6 Jul 12 at 12:25 am
It think it’s a (woo)man. It’s hard to tell, but s/he looks really angry like all leftwingers on the street.

JC

6 Jul 12 at 12:27 am
“Anyone hazard a guess?”

The front three are all women. But don’t let Gab catch you dissing women on their looks, she’ll have your guts for garters.

Jarrah

6 Jul 12 at 12:28 am
Just looked at the link CL posted above.

That photo – at first I thought the hideous specimen wearing the “Dare to struggle” Eureka Stockade shirt in front, centre was a bloke with an epic pair of manboobs.

The Eureka stockade was manned by immigrant miners ready to kill Victorian government officers intent on over taxing them.

The optics of Labor affiliated union members wearing Eureka flags while protesting immigrant miners while their party tries to tax the shit out of miners is extraordinary.

twostix

6 Jul 12 at 12:29 am
You only get offended when leftwing dykes of hazard are dissed, Jazza.

JC

6 Jul 12 at 12:30 am
The optics of Labor affiliated union members wearing Eureka flags while protesting immigrant miners while their party tries to tax the shit out of miners is extraordinary.

C.L. made a similar point a while ago.

The Eureka rebellion is another one of those greatly-misinterpreted historical events.

benson

6 Jul 12 at 12:53 am
GetUp director Simon Sheikh yesterday on his fainting spell on ABC1′s Q&A:

THE ironic thing about what happened on Monday night is that as we began talking about the carbon tax, the relative levels of carbon dioxide in my brain increased. As a result of that I, of course, fainted.

What a lefty girl.

Gab

6 Jul 12 at 1:02 am
Twostix, I think you missed part of the eureka flag reference, it’s code for “asians get out”. Which is largely the point of the protests by the CFMEU.

Yobbo

6 Jul 12 at 1:22 am
Breaking news: “Simon Sheikh: I’m a soft cock.”

Abu Chowdah

6 Jul 12 at 1:28 am
Nigel Farage – unfortunately only figuratively – kicks van Rompuy and Barroso in the nuts in the EU parliament.

Enjoy!

JamesK

6 Jul 12 at 2:00 am
Does he ever stop? He’s delightfully disrespectful of them – he calls Von Rompuy “old Rumpy” or something like that. Great stuff. Yes, I’m being childish. But still, great stuff. It’s always good to see the self-important openly mocked.

Oh come on

6 Jul 12 at 2:24 am
Bill Kristol: Dukakis, Kerry … Romney?

Remember Michael Dukakis (1988) and John Kerry (2004)? It’s possible to lose a winnable presidential election to a vulnerable incumbent in the White House (or in the case of 1988, a sitting vice president). So, speaking of losing candidates from Massachusetts: Is it too much to ask Mitt Romney to get off autopilot and actually think about the race he’s running?

Adopting a prevent defense when it’s only the second quarter and you’re not even ahead is dubious enough as a strategy. But his campaign’s monomaniacal belief that it’s about the economy and only the economy, and that they need to keep telling us stupid voters that it’s only about the economy, has gone from being an annoying tick to a dangerous self-delusion

JamesK

6 Jul 12 at 3:30 am
We are so blessed that Governor Romney is our candidate. Jesus’s disciples wouldn’t have it any other way.

Fisky

6 Jul 12 at 3:52 am
Farage is brilliant. He provides the perfect contrast to the softly-spoken intellectualism of Daniel Hannan. Hannan is incisive, but perhaps a little too subtle and deep to have much of an effect on most of the people he’s talking to – Farage seems to be more of a down-to-earth “shove that in your pipe and smoke it” type.

perturbed

6 Jul 12 at 4:40 am
Kristol’s comparisons are spurious. Twenty years ago when Clinton was running for office, he had the luxury of being able to be a “full spectrum candidate”, as voters weren’t so worried about their jobs as they are now. Romney’s dead right to focus like a laser on the real, miserable state of the economy and hammer the point home relentlessly, because Obama’s determined to talk about everything apart from it. There’s a very good reason for that. Romney’s campaign isn’t a worldbeater, but he’s very much on the right track.

Oh come on

6 Jul 12 at 4:50 am
Potemkin’s Village

Nothing is a waste of time… here

Grigory Potemkin

6 Jul 12 at 4:56 am
Potemkin’s Village

Nothing is a waste of time if… here

Grigory Potemkin

6 Jul 12 at 5:02 am
But then I thought perhaps it’s a woman. Anyone hazard a guess?

Why are they all so f*cking fat?

Rabz

6 Jul 12 at 8:43 am
The front three are all women

Oh dear God – my eyes, they burn.

Carpe Jugulum

6 Jul 12 at 8:49 am
The front three are all women

Leaving aside the gender, I would hazard to guess some of these fans of reintroducing the White Australia Policy are members of the Mordy-Litijus tribe.

Token

6 Jul 12 at 9:08 am
Calls for John Roberts to be impeached.

C.L.

6 Jul 12 at 10:10 am
Surprise!

Labor adviser cleared over Australia Day protest

ONE of Julia Gillard’s advisers was acting “within the scope of his duties” when he passed on information that unwittingly led to Australia Day protests, police say

Labor’s NKVD throws union official under a bus to protect PM’s office:

“Mr Hodges accurately conveyed Mr Abbott’s message; Mr Hodges’ actions in contacting Ms Sattler were within the scope of his duties as a media adviser,” the documents say.

The question of Mr Hodges’ judgment was “outside the scope of the AFP’s evaluation”.

The documents show that Ms Sattler poorly translated Mr Hodges’ information, as she told Aboriginal activist Barbara Shaw that Mr Abbott wanted to “pull down” the tent embassy.

She will be well rewarded for her loyalty.

twostix

6 Jul 12 at 10:16 am
The Byron Bay Police “Force” can’t subdue a lone, unarmed man inside the police station:

Two male officers arrested him and took him to the charge room before Abberton started resisting and trying to break free.

The two officers wrestled him to the ground but Abberton kept lashing out.

“They struggled with him for a couple of minutes and were unable to restrain him due to his strength and level of resistance,” the court heard.

“Both police feared he was going to overpower them.”

So….they just let him go. They literally let him walk out of the police station back into the community after, and because, he beat the shit out of them.

Abberton failed to appear in court on five occasions.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/bra-boy-is-on-the-run-after-attacking-police/story-e6freuzi-1226418342913

twostix

6 Jul 12 at 10:30 am
Higgs Boson? Nah, just another scam Winston.

I found this “gotcha” post by SteveC interesting, it is a great strawman that proves once again how he:

A. Is closed minded, ignorant of the substance of the objections and chooses not understand the objection of conservatives to the AGW scam, or

B. Understands, and believes it is appropriate to lie to people and steal their income based upon his narrow ideological objectives.

Because I like to think the best of people I would say like most lefties it is A, but he can correct the assumption if he likes.

Token

6 Jul 12 at 10:33 am
Surprise!

Labor adviser cleared over Australia Day protest

Abbott needs call a royal commission into this matter, Day 1 of his PM ship. I trust this will be the best way to clear out the political timeservers at the top of the AFP.

Token

6 Jul 12 at 10:34 am
Lefties believe life beginning at conception (as per science) is a “scam” – pushed by the pope and Sarah Palin.

C.L.

6 Jul 12 at 10:36 am
Lefties believe that the planet is a sentient being.

Infidel Tiger

6 Jul 12 at 10:39 am
I’ve been following the aftermath of the Obamacare decision and have to say that the Roberts decision looks incoherent the longer you look at it and follow the commentary. But calling for his impeachment is a stretch.

It’s also interesting to see that leftist over here also engage in the leftist reversal. If conservatives vote along purportedly ideological lines its the end of the republic, but when liberals do so crickets.

dover_beach

6 Jul 12 at 10:40 am
Calls for John Roberts to be impeached.

So the leftist Politico reports breathlessly of a few commentents on so0me biog posts at Powerline and Hotair?

The Left love to smear.

Demonising conservatism is really the only thing they are successful at.

Think about that.

JamesK

6 Jul 12 at 10:46 am
I don’t have a problem with a movement to impeach Roberts. He clearly acted unlawfully.

C.L.

6 Jul 12 at 10:55 am
Token, you might be able to explain it to me. AGW is according to some a scam. Generally in a scam, the scammer(s) use fraudulent means to get the scammee(s) to part with something of value, to the benefit of the scammer(s).
In the AGW scam, I assume the general public are the scammees. But who are the scammer(s) and what is the benefit to them?

SteveC

6 Jul 12 at 10:59 am
Why don’t you do your own fucking thinking instead of coming here demanding that others do it for you?

Tom

6 Jul 12 at 11:02 am
Steve have you noticed the billions of dollars that have gone into research and regulatory agencies for climate studies and climate-related policies?

Just follow the money!

Rafe

6 Jul 12 at 11:02 am
Check out these numbers
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/05/does-climate-money-matter-is-a-monopoly-good-for-a-market/

And this industry as well.
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/06/global-carbon-market-hits-176-billion-in-2011/

Rafe

6 Jul 12 at 11:08 am
In the AGW scam, I assume the general public are the scammees. But who are the scammer(s) and what is the benefit to them?

2008 called.

They want you back.

twostix

6 Jul 12 at 11:13 am
Rafe, you’ve made two slightly contradictory points there. Are the beneficiaries of the scam the bankers and traders who profit from the carbon market, and they have duped the scientists into providing the information they need to dupe everyone else? Or are the beneficiaries the scientists who benefit from government grants for research?

SteveC

6 Jul 12 at 11:15 am
So the leftist Politico reports breathlessly of a few commentents on so0me biog posts at Powerline and Hotair?

By contrast to threats by proxies of the president to stack the court if the decision goes the wrong way…

Token

6 Jul 12 at 11:22 am
They all benefit from the scam. you work out the precise motivation and modus operandi of the different groups if you find it interesting.

Rafe

6 Jul 12 at 11:24 am
It’s academic anyway. Polls in most Western countries show that nobody cares about the warming hoax anymore.

It’s all over.

Sorry, lefties. You failed again.

C.L.

6 Jul 12 at 11:25 am
I don’t have a problem with a movement to impeach Roberts. He clearly acted unlawfully.

That’s a stupid position to take CL.

Why not impeach the liberal justices as well?

Who decides that the Chief Justice acted “unlawfully”?

You?

He made an argument albeit convoluted.

The opinion is internally inconsistent, far-fetched and – more importantly – in some ways the implications are worse than excesses of the commerce clause but it definitely is not unlawful.

That’s crazy talk.

JamesK

6 Jul 12 at 11:29 am
Token, you might be able to explain it to me. AGW is according to some a scam. Generally in a scam, the scammer(s) use fraudulent means to get the scammee(s) to part with something of value, to the benefit of the scammer(s).

Thank you for taking the time to ask. To start with, read the Delinquent Teenager

This outlines effectively the concerns held by conservatives about that oxymoron – the “settled science”.

Once you have done that, we can discuss and when you are ready we can move onto critical topics like – why you can not trust an asset which does no intrinsic value which can be objectively be measured.

Token

6 Jul 12 at 11:30 am
The troll is incapable of original thought. Is there such a thing as a conceited amoeba?

Tom

6 Jul 12 at 11:31 am
I don’t have a problem with a movement to impeach Roberts. He clearly acted unlawfully.

Unlawfully?

Token

6 Jul 12 at 11:33 am
So the geberal thrust is that BOM’s climate zombies and the professional clowns that have made the UK Met Office a laughing stock, somehow convinced 200 national governments to part with billions in research grants, to the benefit of themsleves and carbon traders. So they are scientific nongs, and the best scammers the world has ever seen, at the same time? They truly are remarkable people then.

SteveC

6 Jul 12 at 11:33 am
Steve C, nice strawman. If you are interested in understanding the objections.

Read the book.

If not, man up and admit you are not interested in understanding the our objections.

Token

6 Jul 12 at 11:35 am
Don’t be silly, James.

It’s permissible (not “crazy”) to impeach a justice and if constitution-shredders had been sacked in the past, the US wouldn’t be in the situation it’s in now – where judges just make things up. It’s nothing more than the legislature acting on behalf of the people to punish wrongdoing.

Why not impeach the liberal justices as well?

When they unlawfully invent things (see Roe v. Wade), sure – why not?

C.L.

6 Jul 12 at 11:35 am
Liberal MP realises community can do things without government money:

“There’s been quite a strong public support for it and I’ve had offers of people wanting to help paint it and also offers for people to help pay for the paint…”

MP to proceed with painting bridge himself.

C.L.

6 Jul 12 at 11:37 am
Unlawfully?

Yes, unlawfully.

The Constitution is a document that he has clearly bastardised and bowdlerised to finesse a difficult political situation. That is not his job. His job is to uphold the law.

C.L.

6 Jul 12 at 11:42 am
CL, I agree with the spirit of your statement, and especially agree the tax power Roberts created is an over-reach which is bad as those ruled in Roe v Wade, Plessy v Ferguson, etc…

…but I understand since Marbury v Madison, it has been understood it is legal for SCOTUS to do so.

Token

6 Jul 12 at 11:55 am
Thanks Token, though before I spend time reading that book, as the issue of that book appears to be about credibility of the material published by IPCC, can you let me know what credibility and qualifications Donna LaFramboise has to critique that subject?

SteveC

6 Jul 12 at 11:56 am
From CL’s link:

The South Australian Government said Mr Venning would need to be mindful of the risks associated with old bridge paint and the potential presence of lead.

Remind me again why I can’t say Australia is a fucking toilet that needs flushing?

Infidel Tiger

6 Jul 12 at 12:01 pm
That is a very pedesterian attempt at a “No True Scotsman” argument/fallacy.

SteveC, when you act like this, you just prove to use how fake the cloak of reasonableness you wear is.

Do some research yourself. If your objection is to the material, come back and discuss it.

Token

6 Jul 12 at 12:03 pm
It’s permissible (not “crazy”) to impeach a justice

I said “crazy talk”.

And it is.

Manna from heaven for leftists who would love to undermine SCOTUS or even better do away with it.

Just like they want to do away with the Constitution.

JamesK

6 Jul 12 at 12:04 pm
Why are people talking to this SteveC GetUp plant? Just tell him to suck your nuts and move one.

Infidel Tiger

6 Jul 12 at 12:07 pm
Manna from heaven for leftists who would love to undermine SCOTUS or even better do away with it.

Just like they want to do away with the Constitution.

Too true, this is SCOTUS justics Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s view:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/02/03/ruth_bader_ginsburg_to_egypt_dont_use_us_constitution_as_a_model.html

Token

6 Jul 12 at 12:09 pm
Even the US doesn’t bother using the US Constitution as a model any more, so perhaps Ginsburg was right.

Infidel Tiger

6 Jul 12 at 12:13 pm
Hahahahahahahahaha

This is gold, good work from the top legal minds in Labor!

ATTEMPTS by Peter Slipper and ministers to label the behaviour of James Ashby part of a criminal conspiracy have backfired.

A federal court judge has said because of the claims, he can no longer force Mr Ashby to file a response to allegations of abuse of process for fear of incriminating himself.

Worst government EVVVVAAAAA!!!!

Where is M0nty?

Token

6 Jul 12 at 12:20 pm
Maybe she wasn’t lying wilfully. Maybe she just doesn’t understand.

Julia Gillard:
Barbara, I have been to a training facility in Brunswick in Melbourne that is powered by geothermal. It is already being used.

Reader Realist corrects the “PM”:

One of Gillard’s blog answers yesterday was that she had seen a training centre powered by geothermal at Brunswick. This is complete BS. The closest thing to it is an air conditioner using a shallow well heat exchanger to boost efficiency at NMIT Epping Campus

Gab

6 Jul 12 at 12:23 pm
Young and Naive? Gillard’s answer was in reply to a comment ‘Geothermal doesn’t work’

val majkus

6 Jul 12 at 12:26 pm
Token, I don’t see why I should accept at face-value the views of a self-described “investigative journlist” on the corruption of science. Should we have a duel of journalists at 30 paces?

SteveC

6 Jul 12 at 12:32 pm
Labor calls on PM Abbott to break deadlock with Greens over illegal boat arrivals.

Gab

6 Jul 12 at 12:34 pm
Put forward your investigative journalist and we’ll discuss their material.

To date you have proved my point you have a closed mind, that AGW is a faith to you, not a science.

Ultimately SteveC, I am not trying to “convert” you to an alternate way of thinking. I am challenging you to read the documents so you can understand the way the premise of “settled science” is challenged.

If you want to hold the line and refuse to accept the challenge on the basis of a “No True Scotsman” fallacy, that is your choice.

Token

6 Jul 12 at 12:51 pm
The South Australian Government said Mr Venning would need to be mindful of the risks associated with old bridge paint and the potential presence of lead.

Fair enough.

Any government that imposes a fucking mattress tax, FFS, would find the potential presence of lead a major cause of panty-bunching.

Eddystone

6 Jul 12 at 12:57 pm
You simply have to read Tristan Edis in today’s Climate Spectator writing about scare campaigns on the carbon tax. Even for a site that is a monument to Conformation Bias and Question-Begging, today’s offering almost beggars description.

At one point he uses, in the same sentence, the terms “trust,” “direct quotes,” “from,” “Combet” and “the Greens.” Now there must be a mathematical formula that is able to assemble those terms into a coherent sentence without the built-in contradictions and oxymorons rendering it meaningless, but it would need the Sequoia super-computer to do it.

And the irony of that site, Warmist Central, complaining about “media tripe,” “lies” and “distortions” will blow up your screen if you don’t have a strong-enough Irony Deflector.

Edis’ point, as far as I could make it out, was that anyone positing that a tax on electricity and energy cascading through all levels of the economy could possibly cause a rise in the price of any item whatsoever is not only a liar, they are a “desperate” liar. Also, that a whole week has gone by and any dissent on the carbon tax (sic) should have died down by now.

I can’t provide the link, but look it up and read the whole thing. It is the most off-the-wall, stark, raving lunacy you will possibly find this year: in the immortal words of Eliza Dushku, it will “simmer your head-meat down to a bubbling, brainy fondue.”

James in Melbourne

6 Jul 12 at 1:26 pm
I’d love to see HDR geothermal work. It’s an immensely enabling technology if it gets up and going.

As Geodynamics has discovered, there are a lot of unknowns getting 4km down and back again. Still, they’ve just finished another 4km hole with what they learnt from previous experience; if nothing new goes wrong, and the technical fixes work… well lets just say is Bolta is going to be eating crow for a few years.

Just don’t tell the greeenies that HDR is basically utilising nuclear power…

Driftforge

6 Jul 12 at 1:37 pm
Just like they want to do away with the Constitution.

Earth to James: they already have.

That’s the whole point.

C.L.

6 Jul 12 at 1:46 pm
Just ignore him Token – SteveC was just getting a strawman set up so he could clog the thread…

Winston SMITH

6 Jul 12 at 2:05 pm
I’d love to see HDR geothermal work.

In order for these new technologies to work, they need to be taken out of the hands of economically illiterate zealots with political agendas and put in the hands of qualified business people who can realise them without having them sucking on the public teat. So much of what’s brilliant in new technology will never be realised because their backers came from or have aligned themselves with the Greens, who have in turn been hijacked by the old Left, which needed a new trojan horse with which to attack capitalism.

Tom

6 Jul 12 at 2:07 pm
Earth to James: they already have.

That’s the whole point.

No it isn’t CL.

I have advanced the view that in many respects the US has been in a post-constitutional state since Wilson and FDR but the Court cannot correct those anomalies if its authority is undermined.

Calls for the impeachment of Chief Justice Roberts are pure nuttery and are much to the left’s delight.

Why do you think leftist Politico chose to report facile comments on blog posts from Powerline and HotAir?

I empathise with your frustration but not with calling for impeachment of Roberts ffs.

Furthermore it follows that you’d need to call for all five justices in the majority opinion to be impeached and not just Roberts.

Roberts will be Chief Justice for 25 years and he is a conservative justice.

Stop helping leftists with crazy talk.

JamesK

6 Jul 12 at 2:09 pm
People smugglers are now instructing crews to call Australia and report the vessel is in distress, knowing a rescue ship will be dispatched.

Calls to Australia from the latest vessel, carrying between 130 and 180 passengers, began at 4.30am yesterday when it was still in Indonesian waters, just 116km south of Java.

In a satellite call to Australia from the boat, passengers said the vessel was taking on water in 3m waves in conditions described as “sea state six”.

So our navy sent HMAS Wollongong to assist:

When it arrived at 10am there was no signs of distress and the vessel was headed towards Christmas Island.

Isn’t it about time the Navy phones were forwarded to Indonesian border patrol comms?

Gab

6 Jul 12 at 2:11 pm
Edis’ point, as far as I could make it out, was that anyone positing that a tax on electricity and energy cascading through all levels of the economy could possibly cause a rise in the price of any item whatsoever is not only a liar, they are a “desperate” liar. Also, that a whole week has gone by and any dissent on the carbon tax (sic) should have died down by now.

Anybody who claims to be a warmist who doesn’t want the price of electricity to rise, and who defends this weeks Labor talking points that the “Carbon Tax” won’t change the price of anything, immediately shows themselves to be political hacks operating under the cover of “Climate Change” rather than merely concerned people worried about The Science (TM).

The Science says that the price of electricity must increase to a point that releasing C02 is no longer profitable.

That was supposed to be the whole goddamned POINT of any carbon tax. Remember when you couldn’t turn on the TV without seeing an “expert” or activist hysterically wailing at us about “the tipping point”? And how dire the circumstances were?

Now of course, we see that for so many it was merely cover for their desire to expand the government in every direction and now that in this country Labor has done that to it’s maximum ability AGW hysterics are digging in and saying “well, that’ll do” and now have jettisoned their former hysterical rhetoric and simply begun preparing to defend against the counter revolution against this welfare scheme wrapped up as a carbon dioxide emission tax. All the while throwing down the memory hole the fact that it’s not even 1/100 of what two years ago they wailed was imminently necessary or all life on planet earth would end.

twostix

6 Jul 12 at 2:13 pm
I have advanced the view that in many respects the US has been in a post-constitutional state since Wilson and FDR…

For three-quarters of a century, then.

Right. So you agree with me.

Roberts… is a conservative justice.

LOL.

C.L.

6 Jul 12 at 2:15 pm
I’d love to see HDR geothermal work.

Let’s face it, if it hasn’t managed to be a success in supply for over 90 years, what makes you think it will be now that the taxpayer keeps sinking money into it?

Gab

6 Jul 12 at 2:15 pm
Abbott will not have control of the senate, so he is assuming the Greens will roll over.

This quote, one of the left’s new talking points in comments at Fairfax today, joins the “it doesn’t matter who you vote for, you’re still going to get the carbon tax” attempt at self-fulfilling prophesy in spite of TA’s loud assurances that the Coalition will move immediately to axe it.
IMO, assuming public sentiment doesn’t significantly change between now and the election, the Libs shouldn’t waste their money on Labor attack ads. The focus must be on the Senate and the potential for the Greens and Labor to frustrate a new government – in effect a continuation of the current, hated minority government.

Tom

6 Jul 12 at 2:24 pm
It’s the sacm argument I can never get a straight answer to. The beneficiaries of the apparent scam range from the UN,one-world government, IPCC bureaucrats keeping their jobs, scientists getting grants, bankers/traders making money from carbon trading, greenies in general (not sure what their “benefit” is), probably more I haven’t heard of yet.
It’s like a game of “pick your conspiracy”. They can’t ALL be the beneficiaries at the same time.

SteveC

6 Jul 12 at 2:36 pm
Winston, how can one “clog up” an open forum thread?

SteveC

6 Jul 12 at 2:37 pm
Winston, how can one “clog up” an open forum thread?

You manage it easily.

Alert! Leftwing bozo, Steve C believes incentives don’t matter one bit.

JC

6 Jul 12 at 2:43 pm
Isn’t it about time the Navy phones were forwarded to Indonesian border patrol comms?

Welcome to the people-smuggler frontline : two runabouts , two hours of fuel and 117km to patrol

They must be using homing seagulls for comms on these boats as I don’t see a radio antenna anywhere?

Splatacrobat

6 Jul 12 at 2:49 pm
They can’t ALL be the beneficiaries at the same time.

That is the dumbest fucking thing anybody has ever said in history of the internet.

twostix

6 Jul 12 at 2:51 pm
Denmark Cuts Rates to Record Lows as Zero Threshold Breached

Denmark’s central bank cut its main borrowing costs to record lows and brought the rate it offers on certificates of deposit below zero, as policy makers test uncharted territory to fight a capital influx.

The benchmark lending rate was cut to 0.2 percent from 0.45 percent, while the deposit rate was reduced to minus 0.2 percent from 0.05 percent, Copenhagen-based Nationalbanken said in a statement today. The move followed a quarter of a percentage point cut in the European Central Bank’s main rate to 0.75 percent. Nationalbanken doesn’t hold scheduled meetings and only adjusts rates to defend the krone’s peg to the euro.

“There’s no experience of how negative deposit rates will affect the financial markets and the krone,” Jacob Graven, chief economist at Sydbank A/S, said in a phone interview today before the decision was announced. “It’s a sign of the strong Danish economy. This is good. The opposite situation would be far worse, if the central bank would have to hike rates to defend the krone. We have a luxury problem.”

Denmark has stepped up its battle to prevent the krone from strengthening beyond its currency band as the nation’s haven status attracts investors

Capital is fleeing the eurozone.

JamesK

6 Jul 12 at 2:52 pm
wonder what’s up with other Steve, from Brisbane. hope he’s well and not sad, hi Steve.

candy

6 Jul 12 at 2:54 pm
Spain borrowing costs up as Irish return to market

Ireland returned to short-term debt markets on Thursday for the first time since before its EU/IMF bailout in November 2010, paying less for three-month paper than Spain which has avoided going to international lenders for a full sovereign rescue…………

The Spanish Treasury paid the highest rate in over seven months to borrow 10-year funds, suggesting the positive effect of last weekend’s agreement by euro zone leaders is wearing off.

Altogether, Madrid auctioned 3 billion euros ($3.75 billion) in three maturities of bonds. It sold 747 million euros in the benchmark 10-year bonds at an average yield of 6.43 percent, up from 6.044 percent at the last such auction on June 7.

Despite the recent ‘rescue’ for Spain rates heading up to 7% again

JamesK

6 Jul 12 at 2:54 pm
Actually I’m surprised we have not been called upon to rescue even these dingbats . No one is wearing a life jacket and it would not take long for the Captain to sink like a stone with the weight all that fruit salad festooned on his shirt.

Splatacrobat

6 Jul 12 at 2:56 pm
wonder what’s up with other Steve, from Brisbane. hope he’s well and not sad, hi Steve.

Kneel down.

Say the Rosary daily for a month and beg the Lord for redemption, Candy.

JamesK

6 Jul 12 at 3:01 pm
It’s the sacm argument I can never get a straight answer to.

First came the scientific gurus – the Hansens, Shmidts, Suzukis, the “Team.” Suddenly they were gurus, seers, bathed in the heady glow of saving the planet, on the luxury-resort conference circuit, grants flowing in. Hard to knock back. Then came Gore’s cartoon: that main-chancer, with a personal carbon footprint an elephant can sleep in, saw the trading possibilities of carbon derivatives – at which every IB and exchange in the world drooled, and still drool.

After that, politically, the cause was taken up by the Greens, for whom de-industrialisation at last appeared not only attainable, but (to their amazement) positively hip and cool; and Socialists everywhere, for whom the obvious redistribution bonanza dealt them back into the game after the abject failure of their ideology in the marketplace of ideas.

They didn’t come up with the scam, but the pretext of their dreams landed in their laps, to their surprise and delight, and they weren’t going to waste it.

James in Melbourne

6 Jul 12 at 3:01 pm
I was half joking Splatwhatever.
Instead of you being silly, perhaps you might entertain the idea the Indo navy has more than 2 boats.

Gab

6 Jul 12 at 3:01 pm
It’s like a game of “pick your conspiracy”. They can’t ALL be the beneficiaries at the same time.

SteveC, it is clear from the endless strawmen you present that you do not understand and do not want to understand.

Your responses are par for the course for a lefty troll.

Get used to feeding ideas into the meatgrinder of the progressive mind and getting mutilated caricatures of what you’re saying fed back to you. That’s what they need to do in order to continue avoiding the next point.

Token

6 Jul 12 at 3:04 pm
why twostix? It would mean the conspirators number in the hundreds of thousands, and have managed to hoodwink hundreds of national governments in the process. And all keep the same line. Which would be an extraordinary performamce. So extraordinary it is simply unbelievable. It indicates a high level of delusional paranoia on the part of someone who believes that so many people are out to get them.

Don’t forget these conspirators are the same dumb-asses that can’t get a weather forecast right. They are the same dumb-asses (the IPCC) that can’t put together a coherent report, that Monckton can demolish in seconds flat.

yet they are brilliant masterminds of a world wide conspiracy. How can they be so dumb and so smart at the same time?

SteveC

6 Jul 12 at 3:08 pm
I know the Indonesians have more than two boats Gab. You were half joking but my post was silly? I don’t get your tetchy reply?

Splatacrobat

6 Jul 12 at 3:11 pm
Perhaps I misunderstood the point of your comment. What was it?

Gab

6 Jul 12 at 3:13 pm
If Labor and the Greens block the removal of the carbon tax in the Senate, I’d love to see Abbott take the country to a double dissolution. Whoever is leading the remnants of the Labor party won’t have the guts to do it.

H B Bear

6 Jul 12 at 3:15 pm
I knew this day would come, but I thought I would not be alive when it is finally happened…

FIFA approves goal-line technology

Token

6 Jul 12 at 3:20 pm
Token, I’m not putting up straw men. I asked “. But who are the scammer(s) and what is the benefit to them?”. You answered – go and read journalists book. rafe at least answered the question, and said “they all benefit” which is a proposition I reject as absurd, as outlined above.
So Token, who are the scammer(s) and what is the benefit to them?.

SteveC

6 Jul 12 at 3:25 pm
FIFA approves goal-line technology

Hear Hear! Well there’s at least one thing we can agree on Token.

SteveC

6 Jul 12 at 3:31 pm
why twostix? It would mean the conspirators number in the hundreds of thousands, and have managed to hoodwink hundreds of national governments in the process. And all keep the same line.

So SteveC, fair enough, you are skeptical of the information indicating poor science and lack of supervision over a multi-billion dollar industy has lead to corruption of science and people who are benefiting from the corruption perverting systems. Fair enough.

Please be honest, if someone could prove to you that there was some sort of conspiracy/incompetence/peversion happening, would you start to have doubts about whether it is appropriate for Australia to price carbon dioxide emissions?

Token

6 Jul 12 at 3:31 pm
yet they are brilliant masterminds of a world wide conspiracy. How can they be so dumb and so smart at the same time?

Steve we did all this two years ago. It’s over.

You missed the boat fella, AGW as a political issue is as a dead as a fucking doornail.

Next year will be it’s official end in Australia. The rest of the world have already walked away from it.

None of use expect any self reflection or remorse from it’s worst spruikers, don’t worry.

twostix

6 Jul 12 at 3:35 pm
if someone could prove to you that there was some sort of conspiracy/incompetence/peversion

Yes, absolutely.

SteveC

6 Jul 12 at 3:40 pm
The point was the link of The Australian article about them having two small boats patrolling 117km. If the photo that accompanied the article was correct and was actually one of the two boats then my “silly” comment about homing seagulls and lifejackets was appropriate.

You say your comment was half joking but then lecture me not to be silly and educate myself of the rest of the Indonesian navy’s capabilities? I was not having a go at you but adding to point of your post. Is it that difficult?

BTW calling me Splatwhatever in your response only demeans you. It would have taken less effort to type Splatacrobat or just Splat. I respectfully call you Gab, I’m not a troll so don’t treat me like one.

Splatacrobat

6 Jul 12 at 3:49 pm
Clearly you’re offended. My bad.

Gab

6 Jul 12 at 3:52 pm
Stix, I won’t consider justice has finally been done until the ringleaders go to jail for the deliberate fraud and deception that has been used to secure public funds and influence government policy, starting with Michael Mann. Successful prosecutions will be harder to achieve in Australia because more of the judiciary is controlled by the left after five years of Labor.

Tom

6 Jul 12 at 3:52 pm
I lectured you? WOW.

Gab

6 Jul 12 at 3:52 pm
if someone could prove to you that there was some sort of conspiracy/incompetence/peversion

Yes, absolutely

Excellent, thanks for having an open mind.

I recommended that book as it is written by a primary witness, is well researched and likely to go a good way to get you to understand our concerns.

Token

6 Jul 12 at 3:58 pm
OK, I’ll read it.

SteveC

6 Jul 12 at 4:06 pm
maybe you might read some Monbiot as a counter mesaure

SteveC

6 Jul 12 at 4:06 pm
Clearly you’re offended. My bad.

Not offended, just curious you would follow up with
“I was half joking Splatwhatever.Instead of you being silly, perhaps you might entertain the idea the Indo navy has more than 2 boats” When my post only reinforced the post you made?

Then you not so innocently follow up with another barb about missunderstanding an obvious point by sarcastically asking ‘what is it?”.

You say “my bad” which I take to mean not sorry but a mistake then throw out the last word straight after “I lectured you? WOW.”

“Instead of you being silly, perhaps you might entertain the idea the Indo navy has more than 2 boats” sounds like a lecture to me.

Splatacrobat

6 Jul 12 at 4:13 pm
You’re being overly sensitive, Splat. There was no sarcasm, overt or implied, in my question to you on what point you were trying to make. Nor was there any meant in “my bad”. If you choose to see it that way, then go ahead as nothing I can say will convince you otherwise. I wasn’t lecturing you on anything, btw. And quite frankly I’m sick of this nonsense.

Also, this is not meant as a lecture not any sarcasm applied.

Gab

6 Jul 12 at 4:18 pm
What nonsense are you sick of? Me calling you out on your non answers or your having to post another last word?

Splatacrobat

6 Jul 12 at 4:30 pm
OK, I’ll read it.

Thank you. As I note above, I will not be shocked if it doesn’t change your mind.

maybe you might read some Monbiot as a counter mesaure

I’m happy to, I’m sure I will learn a lot from his viewpoint.

I was impressed when he came out in favour of nuclear energy. I never understood why, if carbon emissions are so bad, anyone would rule out in totality a well managed nuclear energy sector.

As JC noted to you the other day, Thorium looks like the most likely energy alternative to replace coal and other carbon based energy.

Token

6 Jul 12 at 4:38 pm
Bugger it.
With all the tetchy commentary and steveCs strawmen, I think I’ll go to the pub and then stand around a 44 fire, drinking beer and singing badly.
Cheerio!

Winston Smith

6 Jul 12 at 4:52 pm
Media Watch Dog is out.

Henderson nominates the winner for the most OTT comments about the fainting Sheik.

Notably:

The False Prophet of Palm Beach opined:

Now that assassination is official American foreign policy I did not find it hard to imagine, five minutes ago, that Simon Sheikh had been poisoned and there would be more men and women of the Left so dealt with in the future.

Your man Ellis continued to bang on about the CIA and all that before concluding:

If Simon has a history of epilepsy, fine. If he ate a dodgy oyster tonight, okay. But you wonder, you really do.

Here.

Gab

6 Jul 12 at 4:53 pm
But you wonder, you really do.

I for one wonder if Bob shouldn’t be donating samples of his brain to medical science right now – so they can determine the impact of long term substance abuse and the linkage to compulsive inane blogging.

Anyone else got any wondering about Bob ?

Myrrdin Seren

6 Jul 12 at 5:04 pm
I just believe Bob’s from another planet, and as such, we should be careful as he’s sure to be in touch with the mothership on a regular basis.

Gab

6 Jul 12 at 5:10 pm
Anyone else got any wondering about Bob ?

Does he go out of his way to look like Sir Les Paterson?

Token

6 Jul 12 at 5:12 pm
Maybe Bob has a point. One could easily mix up the polony and the polonium sandwiches in the Q&A green room.

H B Bear

6 Jul 12 at 5:32 pm
Bob Ellis is entirely representative of left wing Australians active in the union movement. I have heard similar conspiracy theory shit spouted over beers in pubs in Newtown by friends active in whatever that fucking union is that wants to kill Qantas.

Abu Chowdah

6 Jul 12 at 5:36 pm
I have heard similar conspiracy theory shit spouted over beers in pubs in Newtown by friends active in whatever that fucking union is that wants to kill Qantas.

Abu

Tell your buds that the CIA can listen in to their smart phones and The Great Satan randomly monitors for key phrases uttered by inner city progressives, before sending in the black helicopters and drones.

That should empty out the pubs in King St.

Myrrdin Seren

6 Jul 12 at 5:41 pm
Is anyone surprised that Bob is currently working with our Foreign Minister?

jupes

6 Jul 12 at 5:41 pm
Yes, the persecution complex of the heroes of the left. Either a lone right-wing nutter will cold-bloodedly murder dozens of you at a Young Labor camp, or the CIA will take time out from monitoring Al-Qaeda, the Russians, the Mexican drug cartels and the Chinese to slip some untraceable poison into your drink while you’re bloviating on the ABC.

It’s a hard life, speaking truth to power.

James in Melbourne

6 Jul 12 at 5:43 pm
whatever that fucking union is that wants to kill Qantas.
The pilots and engineers’ unions don’t just want to kill Qantas, Abu. They’re succeeding and they’re being cheered on by the current Canberra rabble, which is too stupid to understand what’s coming. Qantas will be gone in three years, IMO.

Tom

6 Jul 12 at 5:45 pm
Woops, only the first sentence should have been inside the quote.

Tom

6 Jul 12 at 5:46 pm
Bob is the left wing’s bizzaro world to the right wing’s Clive.

All sides of politics have a crazy uncle they would rather lock up in the attic.

Splatacrobat

6 Jul 12 at 6:00 pm
Standard & Poors downgraded Fairfax from from stable to negative today.

Infidel Tiger

6 Jul 12 at 6:04 pm
Don’t forget George Monbiot posted that Peak Oil is a giant con last week. The poor old chap is like a puppy starting to open it’s eyes and gain sight for the first time.

More likely he can read the public mood and start to slide towards the exit before the more committed fools realise they’ve been left alone on the CAGW liferaft.

Only a matter of time before the UK starts shale gas production in earnest, as with other places. The windmills will eventually grind silent, and in 150 years time the equivalent show of Grand Designs will be about hipsters building yarts studios in the abandoned nacelles.

I read a story today how Toyota has built it’s own factory power station powered by gas because the Japanese power supply is too unreliable with the anti-nuke fever still gripping the joint.

Only a matter of time before other major factories start to do the same. Gas starts to look cheaper, you can reuse the heat from the turbines and you can stick two fingers to the government controlled grid.

brc

6 Jul 12 at 6:05 pm
Tom, is that the same union the stewards and hosties are in? Because I was drinking with some of those fine feathered individuals. (Don’t ask).

Abu Chowdah

6 Jul 12 at 6:06 pm
re: get tough on china in us politics

President Barack Obama expanded U.S. trade complaints against China…

Romney has said that on his first day in office, he will issue an executive order labeling China a currency manipulator.

Mark

6 Jul 12 at 6:10 pm
Bob wouldn’t have been such a rabid leftie if it wasn’t for a quirk of fate….he was conceived.

Splatacrobat

6 Jul 12 at 6:33 pm
I read a story today how Toyota has built it’s own factory power station powered by gas because the Japanese power supply is too unreliable with the anti-nuke fever still gripping the joint.

Only a matter of time before other major factories start to do the same. Gas starts to look cheaper, you can reuse the heat from the turbines and you can stick two fingers to the government controlled grid.

Lets sincerely hope they choose Capstone Turbines. I have a load of stock in this little fucker.

JC

6 Jul 12 at 6:38 pm
The shutdown of the nuclear plants has hit their trade balance hard and left them rationing power.

Good move.

sdfc

6 Jul 12 at 6:56 pm
Here’s how they are doing it JC. Small load methane generators out of China.

One of these in the bowels of Parliament fed on the bullshit gas from the PM’s office would provide enough power to light up every government office in Canberra.

Splatacrobat

6 Jul 12 at 7:14 pm
Splat

Lol.. or have it attached to the Liars Party caucus room.

naaa capstone makes far better turbine generators.

JC

6 Jul 12 at 7:31 pm
Abu, out of all the union trash Qantas has to deal with, the flight attendants’ union is probably the least politically motivated and the most co-operative. Steve Purvinas’s engineers union is the worst – full-on protectionist princesses making a fortune who sought a veto on management decision-making (the reason Joyce decided to ground the fleet last October.) The pilots’ union, egged on by knowalls in the media, also thinks it knows more about running an airline than the management.

Tom

6 Jul 12 at 7:44 pm
Been watchin Capstone since you mentioned them JC, their baby must have smiled at them cause they went to Rio.

Pro outfit, will do well.

Jumpnmcar

6 Jul 12 at 7:45 pm
Tom

Qantas should really get rid eerr Qantas. Jetstar makes money and doesn’t have those poisonous unions to worry about.

The qantas side is worth zero in the valuation of the firm as the international side loses the money the domestic side makes.

JC

6 Jul 12 at 7:46 pm
Abu, I should have added the Transport Workers Union (the ground handlers) are full-on unreconstructed communists, led by Tony Sheldon, who was running an ultimately unsuccessful camaign for the ALP presidency concurrently with the campaign against Qantas by Gillard, Swan and other detritus like Senator Doug Cameron.

Tom

6 Jul 12 at 7:55 pm
Yeah I looked up Capstone when JC mentioned it here before. Very interesting operation and looks the goods.

Shale Gas + pipelines + onsite generation very much look like the way of the future. Another own goal from the greens.

Anyway, here’s the linky: Toyota Announces Summer Energy Saving Measures

brc

6 Jul 12 at 8:11 pm
maybe you might read some Monbiot as a counter mesaure.

No, maybe you should!

blogstrop

6 Jul 12 at 8:24 pm
JC, both brands of the political establishment have been resentful of Qantas’s treatment over the past two decades, which has effectively granted the national carrier a series of anti-competitive rackets, such as the US route, which given Qantas $100-$150m of its annual gross earnings 2000-2007 when United was unable to compete effectively, spending most of that period in Chapter 11. During that period, the bureaucracy gave Middle East and Asian competitors carte blanche market access, which is now killing QF as it has a 30-50% unit operating cost disadvantage that it cannot overcome while it is unionised and based in Australia with AUD-USD parity. It would have taken extraordinarily competent management for Qantas to thrive after Geoff Dixon. Alan Joyce is not the man required. He’s a cost-cutter, not a clever product spruiker like Dixon was.

Tom

6 Jul 12 at 8:28 pm
Why do you think they are building four LNG plants in Gladstone? Not for the domestic market but all for export. The smart Japanese and Chinese are gearing up for LNG and small scale power plants to feed industry will be the future. The writing is on the wall for all state owned mega power stations. Maybe Alcoa or even Boyne could fund their own energy security like Toyota and offset the emmissions with gas?

Splatacrobat

6 Jul 12 at 8:39 pm
Tonight’s Media Report on ABC RN was illuminating, but not always in a good way. Paul Barry’s unbounded admiration for Conroy was somewhat disquieting, as was the theory that the ABC would be the last receptacle of “quality journalism” left standing when the digital era has consumed all.

blogstrop

6 Jul 12 at 8:41 pm
I need to ask a favour – can anyone please explain why my laptop’s internal mike won’t work?

I’ve had to reinstall everything recently following a hard drive death and the internal mike will not hear me for skype.

Have I missed a driver or a particular disk?

Software is windows 7 home premium…

Rabz

6 Jul 12 at 8:48 pm
Rabz, try checking that the driver is actually installed – Control panel – device driver. Is it a Dell? Go to the Dell site and re install the drivers for your machine. Sometimes the installation order is important.

Winston Smith

6 Jul 12 at 9:11 pm
Too proud to call Gupta at the help desk in Mumbai Rabz? Only kidding.

Maybe the driver. Go to control panel, then device manager to check if the driver is working correctly.

Splatacrobat

6 Jul 12 at 9:16 pm
Rabz
Try Control panel,then click sound,click the recording tab and check if your microphone has a tic against it.

Splatacrobat

6 Jul 12 at 9:24 pm
Thanks guys, all fixed – found the tag under the thing, downloaded the driver and hey presto – communicado!

Yep – no calls to the service centre, not in the mood…

Rabz

6 Jul 12 at 9:26 pm
If the driver is working properly and the microphone has a tic then try skype mic test to make sure its just not on mute.

Splatacrobat

6 Jul 12 at 9:28 pm
if these all fail try shouting out loud or you may have to resort to semaphore flags on your webcam.

Splatacrobat

6 Jul 12 at 9:30 pm
the ABC would be the last receptacle of “quality journalism” left standing when the digital era has consumed all.

Strop, this is a blatant self-delusion being peddled by people who wouldn’t know ‘quality journalism’ if it jumped and bit them on the balls. Quality journalism is simply the allocation of time and resources to find out stuff, which doesn’t happen with tabloid formats, where 400-word limits apply. The idea that anyone who doesn’t have a leftwing bias can’t do quality journalism is a political hijacking that could only exist in a dumbed-down backwater like Australia, where the zombie left still claims exclusive ownership of the language and social ideology. Conservatives need to get off their arses and assert the dominance of conservative thought which has been the natural partner of capitalism for decades. What has been going on in Australia since 2007 is a periodic aberration that occurs twice or three times a century. Assigning government to extremists is necessarily destabilising and shortlived. On the other hand, journalism that challenges the status quo performs the same role as a political opposition that keeps a democracy healthy. And the journalism business needs to get off its arse and restore its pricing power, which has been lost to technology companies like Google, which, as I’ve said before, is the most malign influence in publishing for a century.

Tom

6 Jul 12 at 9:46 pm
Strop, this is a blatant self-delusion being peddled by people who wouldn’t know ‘quality journalism’ if it jumped and bit them on the balls.

Are you telling us Tom that we should not just take the ABC at face value when the ABC tells us that the ABC is the last bastion of quality journalism?

A word comes to mind – hubris.

Remind me, according to the old saying, what comes before the fall?

Token

6 Jul 12 at 9:58 pm
the zombie left still claims exclusive ownership of the language and social ideology. Conservatives need to get off their arses and assert the dominance of conservative thought which has been the natural partner of capitalism for decades.

Tom,

There’ve been lots of debates about ownership of language. None of which we seem to be winning. For example, I’ve been denounced (in a ‘professional’ setting) as a dangerous extremist for explaining in plain language (backed up with irrefutable evidence) why fauxfacts is going down the shitter.

That’s when you start to think, hey, why not reach for the Louisville Slugger?

Read some Shaidle (if you already do, then apologies).

She doesn’t give a shit what the vile bedwetters think…

As we all shouldn’t.

Especially while we can still rescue our country, economy and society from these brain damaged, zombie bastards.

Rabz

6 Jul 12 at 9:59 pm
Keep an eye on Drudge. 30 mins to the US jobs report.

Alex Pundit

6 Jul 12 at 10:00 pm
We are the navy Blues, the old dark navy Blues. We hate losing. Especially to car thieves.

Tom

6 Jul 12 at 10:19 pm
Bloody Carltonini!

Bloody brilliant!

Rabz

6 Jul 12 at 10:20 pm
Ta, AP.

bingbing

6 Jul 12 at 10:29 pm
It’s 80,000 jobs created in June. They were expecting at least 90,000.

Unemployment rate stuck at 8.2%.

Via FNC….

Alex Pundit

6 Jul 12 at 10:32 pm
Not good news.

Alex Pundit

6 Jul 12 at 10:33 pm
Business Insider has the info…

…here

Alex Pundit

6 Jul 12 at 10:36 pm
As you can see, not a good start to this news cycle for Obama after his win on healthcare in the Supreme Court.

Alex Pundit

6 Jul 12 at 10:38 pm
Sadly, the gubberment is giving that message against a great drop in the polls in terms of the general community’s unpreparedness to take any pain on action on climate change.

fran kelly on the ALPBC RN brekky.

So, remind me again exactly why we are tolerating this insulting, hysterical, parasitic insanity?

Rabz

6 Jul 12 at 10:43 pm
Possibly the stupidest nonsensical tweet I’ve ever read.

Lisa Desjardins ‏@LisaDCNN

FEMALE VETS and JOBS more: dramatic 1-month rise in female vet unemp. rate (5.8% to 8.8%) seems caused mostly by rise among Gulf War I vets.

JC

6 Jul 12 at 10:55 pm
We are the navy Blues, the old dark navy Blues. We hate losing. Especially to car thieves.

Unbelievable.

dover_beach

6 Jul 12 at 10:59 pm
Hot Air has a very good summary of the jobs report going right now

Alex Pundit

6 Jul 12 at 11:03 pm
Update II: This is a good time to remind people of the implications of Barack Obama’s immigration policy change this month. The pledge to issue work permits means that we may potentially add 1.2 million workers to the workforce over the next two years. That means we will have to add jobs at a rate closer to 200,000 per month just to keep up with population growth and the policy change.

quote via said site.

Alex Pundit

6 Jul 12 at 11:03 pm
not a good start to this news cycle for Obama after his win on healthcare in the Supreme Court.

Too many pundits are underestimating Roberts.

bingbing

6 Jul 12 at 11:07 pm
Underestimating him about what eggsactly?

JC

6 Jul 12 at 11:14 pm
Funny thing about the jobs report as per this video of the event as it broke,

here,

only 4000 gov jobs were lost, contrary to those (some of which troll this blog) who claim that more gov jobs are needed.

Alex Pundit

6 Jul 12 at 11:29 pm
Lol, and that ends the quickest hour of my life.

Alex Pundit

6 Jul 12 at 11:29 pm
Potemkin’s Village

Life is short… here

Grigory Potemkin

6 Jul 12 at 11:39 pm

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