Here is a witty takedown of the NBN by Malcolm Turnbull
Here is an embarrassing attempt to sing and dance by Craig Emerson
The sober and dispassionate analysis on the Coalition side compared with the silly and superficial preferred by the Gillard Labor Government.
That’s quite well done by Turnbull. A little awkward in delivery at times, but overall the point is made well.
I cannot believe that they are making boxes of propaganda crap like this, plus spending oodles of money advertising on TV and Google when there are only 4,000 connections.
I still haven’ watched Emersons stunt, and I plan to go to the grave like that.
brc
4 Jul 12 at 9:58 am
Well done by Turnbull, got the point across nicely with a comical slap at the NBN and the Fink. I saw the other comic genius Emmo on tele last night defending his performance by claiming it was important to make the point. I presume the point was that a PhD in economics can really look stoopid.
Biota
4 Jul 12 at 10:30 am
The Turnbull vid is getting caned by leftard commentators at youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXw-JvIvXTo
Fleeced
4 Jul 12 at 10:41 am
TL:DW
coz
4 Jul 12 at 10:58 am
Like most of his Labor colleagues, particularly in Queensland, Emerson is thinking about life after politics.
Unlike Craig Thomson and three quarters of Cabinet he can’t simply return to life as a union numbers man or industrial law ambulance chaser and would appear to have few marketable skills. He might need to speak to Mrs Kevin Rudd.
H B Bear
4 Jul 12 at 11:07 am
OK, thanks for letting us know… /sarc
Fleeced
4 Jul 12 at 11:09 am
Ah… that’s why Albanese supported Rudd – future employment prospects. Hahaha. Surprised more of them didn’t think of that.
Fleeced
4 Jul 12 at 11:10 am
Finally:
Hitler Reacts to Craig Emerson singing No Whyalla wipe-out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrQzXtgaFC0&feature=related
C.L.
4 Jul 12 at 11:10 am
That’s just mOnty and his 100 sockpuppet friends.
Infidel Tiger
4 Jul 12 at 11:28 am
brc, I think we’re well past the point where reality trumps “perceptions” – if they have at all in recent years. If spin didn’t work there’d be less of it, but you have to hope that people eventually see past a lot of what’s thrown at them, and that the cumulative effect of peppering the populace with dud policies results in one huge sneeze at the ballot box which blows them all down the nasal tubes and into a suitable receptacle.
blogstrop
4 Jul 12 at 11:29 am
Remember the rugby league player who did something filthy with a dog and had to leave the country in shame? I think what Emerson did was worse. I’m struggling to understand why he hasn’t ended it all.
Infidel Tiger
4 Jul 12 at 11:34 am
he’s trimmed down nicely and kept the weight off, good on him; very dull suit and tie tho, too much like a banker
candy
4 Jul 12 at 11:58 am
IT – as I’ve noted elsewhere, the video is still the Legover Man’s 2nd most embarrassing episode.
H B Bear
4 Jul 12 at 12:10 pm
@blogstrop I seriously doubt spin works in aggregate (some small spin probably has a positive effect in the same way some people win at casinos), but the lag time between putting it out and finding the results (ie, 3 years) means that the merchants of spin keep trying, I guess.
All I can think of is that the purveyors of paper mache head protests end up being employed by the government to produce boxes of crap like this.
Howard was as bad with the mountains of brochures printed for workchoices. I filed my ‘clean energy fucha’ booklet (still in plastic) for future hilarity when the whole thing is looked back on as a gigantic con that nobody really took seriously.
The NBN, however, is a gigantic train wreck in the slowest of slow motion. And yet it continue to get positive press – in all places on the internet in Australia, which, according to the NBN pushers, doesn’t work properly. Well, Whyalla Craig seems to have been seen widely – I’d say the internet is working nicely.
brc
4 Jul 12 at 12:19 pm
Umm.. one is a sarcastic politician and the other is an escaped mental patient?
Anne
4 Jul 12 at 12:20 pm
There are lots of things that never seem to get corrected, where the impression created sticks. Some are shorter half-life, but still do damage. Look at how long the “death threats to Canberra climate scientists” did the rounds, even though it was slowly ground into pulp.
The reason the climate change scam has gone on so long is that the opposition to it has been largely non-msm.
If all the media were more honest (I know, hopelessly optimistic of me) the big scam would be trashed decisively in a matter of weeks. It has taken years to get to the current situation where two thirds of the population feel negative about the tax, but how many still think there’s a problem and that we should do something?
blogstrop
4 Jul 12 at 12:47 pm
It doesn’t? How do you explain the AGW hypothesis becoming government policy?
jupes
4 Jul 12 at 12:51 pm
Good to see Turnball doing his job for a change.
jupes
4 Jul 12 at 12:53 pm
as I’ve noted elsewhere, the video is still the Legover Man’s 2nd most embarrassing episode
What’s number 1 (seriously)? Getting the prime ministerial earlobes wobbling?
John Mc
4 Jul 12 at 12:54 pm
@jupes @blogstrop I guess by aggregate I mean over the long term – > 10 years to hazard a guess.
But the AGW meme does kind of prove me wrong. Probably because it was the scientists that abused their trust level to spin, rather than the usual suspects like politicians. Quite a masterstroke to outsource the spin to a class of people with high trust levels. Not good for the long term trust levels of scientists though.
brc
4 Jul 12 at 1:07 pm
Is there a Turnbull video on the evil of lightbulbs?
C.L.
4 Jul 12 at 1:11 pm
Not any more.
jupes
4 Jul 12 at 1:16 pm
Probably because it was the scientists that abused their trust level to spin, rather than the usual suspects like politicians.
Our whole society has got to that level. All officials including politicians, scientists, military leaders, public servants, academics all live by the political truth overriding the real truth.
Europe is what happens when this disease gets advanced. You only need to listen to the European Parliament (where being elected is not necessarily a prerequisite!) to hear this type of ‘reality’ in full swing. You also only need to look just outside the European parliament to see the outcome it produces.
John Mc
4 Jul 12 at 1:24 pm
Please send:
The pens
The memory sticks
The folder thing with the calculator (and pen)
Keep the rest
Thanx
Pickles
4 Jul 12 at 1:29 pm
It would be enjoyable if I couldn’t get out of my head the image of Turnbull working alongside Labor to get “action on Climate-Change” (aka Carbon tax) through in such a bipartisan “Our bosses at the IPCC and Goldman Sachs want this badly” way.
Paul
4 Jul 12 at 1:33 pm
Oh, but Craig has done much better!
jules
4 Jul 12 at 2:51 pm
I’ve changed my mind on Turnbull. He’s okay. And he’s working hard and doing a good job.
Bygones, CL.
daddy dave
4 Jul 12 at 6:40 pm
It is amusing that Turnbull’s major remaining criticism of the NBN is that most people haven’t got it yet. All of his attacks on the actual policy have been shown up as lies or fallen flat, because the punters actually want it. Poor old Malcolm, it’s like he’s campaigning for Black Caviar to be retired.
m0nty
4 Jul 12 at 7:53 pm
The cost of the NBN is still a live issue. Also, the fact that they started out saying that only optical fibre would do, but now admit that fixed high speed wireless would service some areas! This will be a widening wedgie as things progress. I smell “changed circumstances” in the offing, but only after “offing” the competitors who could offer wireless at satisfactory speeds – and these days that’s just about anyone. Let’s not forget that most households do not need and will not use the maximum speeds postulated by this gold-plated solution. It’s only a matter of “can I download a movie before we finish dinner and want to watch it”, and “can I get as much surfing and downloading done in a month as I want without busting the budget”, which these days is quite ok even with a common or garden bigpond cable account and 100GB.
Monty might be “amused” at Turnbull’s presentation, but I am “disturbed” by the apologists for an incredibly wasteful program that he and others seem to defend regardless. As they say, socialists try to create nirvana until they run out of other people’s money. Monty is one of them.
blogstrop
4 Jul 12 at 8:08 pm
Same tired old lies, Blogstrop. The plan always involved wireless to cover the most remote areas. Always. Don’t lie. Also, anyone who claims we will ever have enough communications bandwidth is ignorant of the basics of the industry. Lies and ignorance, that is all the right has to fight progress on this issue.
m0nty
4 Jul 12 at 8:32 pm
I take everything you say, monty, as being the opposite of the truth. So go right ahead. Or just piss off.
blogstrop
4 Jul 12 at 8:42 pm
Where I live, mOnty, the cable will be going past. But we won’t get connected, nor will there be a wireless node.
The cable will be dug up at midnight by a sleep walking backhoe until the connection happens.
Don’t even think we are going to put up with this bullshit.
Winston Smith
4 Jul 12 at 8:48 pm
The plan always involved wireless to cover the most remote areas.
That’s a cop out and completely misses (and is probably trying to hide) the point.
Wireless is easy and cheap to roll out and those that oppose the NBN have been saying for ages that wireless satisfies 99% of the requirement. Furthermore, wireless has not plateaued in terms of bandwidth (even though the NBN aficionados are keen to point out it will never get to the level of fibre, which everyone understands and agrees anyway).
Wireless is so easy and cheap to roll out that Somalia which has no effective government (or at least didn’t have for quite some time if it does now) has a functioning mobile and data network. In fact, many places in the world have proven that wireless is practically and economically viable where a physical wired network has never come to fruition.
Hence, the smart people have been saying that wireless will surpass the NBN for 99% of typical use, especially in a vast country like Australia, and fibre is not a sensible use of public money. Furthermore, the market will easily deliver wireless without a large government program eg. Somalia, not to mention a million other examples like South Korea or the US.
So, for those who support the NBN to say wireless is a sign of NBN success is deceitful at best. Bullshit at worst.
John Mc
4 Jul 12 at 8:56 pm
We all know M0nty is a believer and nothing we can say will change that.
Token
4 Jul 12 at 9:04 pm
Thanks John Mc,
You forgot satellite though. And the footprint.
Some in PNG have been downloading GPS data direct to Aus for some time.
Additionally changes to bandwidth and usage by Civil Aviation Authority (and Maritime) dramatically affected tele-communication usage by small operators and citizens in remote Australia. A far different geography to US and South Korea.
Jessie
4 Jul 12 at 9:25 pm
I’m on satellite, Jessie. 200kB/s download and a 3 Gb plan for $60 a month. The only benefit is that it’s provided by my employer as a Condition of Service. But I do have to share it with the business, which doesn’t allow me the ability to do much in the way of downloading stuff.
Satellite is rubbish. But it’s better than no connection at all.
Winston SMITH
5 Jul 12 at 9:14 am
Using Somalia as a paragon of telco policy is a complete joke, and only underlines the poverty of argument from the right on this issue. We are not living in a third world country, John Mc. At least, not until you lot all move to the Pilbara and install Gina as your new tinpot ruler of Rinehartland.
m0nty
5 Jul 12 at 1:12 pm
Small edit Monster
JC
5 Jul 12 at 1:14 pm
And yet we have an unelected junta that wants to control the media.
C.L.
5 Jul 12 at 1:18 pm
Sure satellite might be rubbish Winston. We were on it 2000-2006 way out bush.
Before that there was nothing. Lucky to get The Australian on Sunday if they loaded it on the plane in Townsville.
Installing satellite provided access to the outside world. And also the dimension of colour. After 30 years of anthropologists and watermelons driving people’s brains back into the last Ice Age through the use of black n white photos of ancestors, satellite was an illuminating experience. As was the chance to have the written and spoken English language etc.
Before that time bush industry and residents hardly existed on the city public’ radar. And propagated and twisted into their city minds was that mining was a horror industry. The Australian did a fine job of bringing the centre and north to the attention of city people around 2005.
And mOnty if it wasn’t for the free and thinking media and mining industry the lies spewed out from much of academia and govt and their gloating over their pet experiments and Indigenous gulags of the outback would
have continued.
Jessie
5 Jul 12 at 10:07 pm