Tuesday Forum: August 28, 2012 at Catallaxy Files

Tuesday Forum: August 28, 2012

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اولً!

Abu Chowdah

28 Aug 12 at 3:17 am
First! First!

Abu Chowdah

28 Aug 12 at 3:18 am
I think Todd Akin is an excellent candidate who is destined to surf his moderate abortion policies to the greatest Senate landslide ever. What do you think?

Fisky

28 Aug 12 at 3:26 am
Is it Friday yet?

sdog

28 Aug 12 at 3:56 am
P.S. Thank you oh Doomlord Snic for the new open fred.

I know everyone else dismisses you as an evil bald fascist gnome, but you’re our evil bald fascist gnome and we like you.

sdog

28 Aug 12 at 4:02 am
A warmer body loses heat faster than a cooler body.
Whodathunkit?

Now it is observed that Outgoing Long wave Radiation increases with temperature at a faster rate than the greenhouse effect caused by the doubling of CO2.

AGW is dead.

More detail

Keith

28 Aug 12 at 5:52 am
الأوال

Dammut

Abu Chowdah

28 Aug 12 at 5:57 am
An alternate view on Arctic Sea Ice, the Media Darling.
Once again the ABC will be all over the latest iteration of “Global Warming’s Destroying Sea Ice”, except for the possible alternative causes.
For them it makes a change from holding a gun to the Barrier Reef and saying “pay up or the reef gets it”.

blogstrop

28 Aug 12 at 7:29 am
Looking forward to the Steyn v Mann legal smack down. Discovery should be a hoot. I bet Mann caves.

John Comnenus

28 Aug 12 at 7:38 am
The PM has said that when she found out what Wilson had done, she ended the relationship. There is still one major problem even if we accept all Gillard’s highly unlikely explanations about the set up and operation of the slush fund. Gillard had a legal obligation to report Wilson to the police once she suspected he was defrauding the slush fund and AWU to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. She was a lawyer, she knows ignorance of the law is not a defence and not reporting a crime is a crime.

She didn’t report Wilson to the police. That is a crime. Our PM is, therefore, a crook.

John Comnenus

28 Aug 12 at 7:49 am
I see the State Liberal premiers are tanking in the polls. There is a simple lesson in this for all Libs: if you don’t make the case against big government then don’t expect to win the argument when you try and cut government. Over to you Abbott!

John Comnenus

28 Aug 12 at 7:54 am
Would it confuse things if I brought up circumcision?
Allowing debate to harp on about “medical opinion” exalts the expert, and we must fight that trend otherwise we get “scientist agree on AGW therefore…”
It is also illogical. There may be other bits of a human that doctors agree are more trouble than they are worth so are we going to start cutting them off before the patient learns to say “no” – for whatever medically ignorant reason?
This should only be about people having the right to say “No don’t cut bits off me”.
Then I think Jewish people will be strongly opposed to it. Making it entirely about consent, would subsume all other arguments: the supposedly rational medical arguments, the questionable arguments of some African cultures on female sexuality. All of them would disappear if we said “You can’t cut anything off someone until that person is competent to give their consent”.

Ooh Honey Honey

28 Aug 12 at 8:04 am
then don’t expect to win the argument when you try and cut government.

Would you describe Barry O’Farrell as a small government guy? Has he slashed regulations, for example?

dd

28 Aug 12 at 8:07 am
if you don’t make the case against big government then don’t expect to win the argument when you try and cut government.

Exactly right, John C. Reducing government spending increases public wealth, but you never hear that; government spending is sold even by conservative governments as magic money from the sky, which is the default delusion of the economic illiterates on the left. Running a responsible government requires intellect!

Tom

28 Aug 12 at 8:10 am
DD, the point is that they either don’t cut government or won’t argue why, if they do. I don’t think O’Farrell is a big government guy, but he is also not a small government guy either.

Most Liberals are content to be a bit more efficient than the ALP and usually are cast in the role of repairing the finances the ALP has wrecked. They never bring in reforms to make it difficult and or painful for the ALP to increase the size of government again.

John Comnenus

28 Aug 12 at 8:14 am
Would it confuse things if I brought up circumcision?

Nope. It really is a stupid medical procedure.
The medical arguments don’t stand up to scrutiny and the crank study that purportedly showed that it reduced AIDS incidence has been exposed as worthless.

The fact that nobody remembers it isn’t a defense either. Using that logic it would be okay to assault dementia patients on the grounds that they’ll forget by tomorrow.

dd

28 Aug 12 at 8:14 am
Yeah, I get your point, John. However I think the O’Farrell government lost an opportunity to undertake real sweeping reform in NSW.

dd

28 Aug 12 at 8:15 am
DD,

You are probably right re O’Farrell.

John Comnenus

28 Aug 12 at 8:17 am
Re the premiers and the polls, when you are on the road to Greece there is no quick and painless way to change the course of the Titanic.

It is a pity that there is no Liberal Party infrastrucure to speak of because now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of the party, not so much for the sake of the party but to defend and promote good policy among circles of friends and relations.

That is why my next question to the trolls is: are you interested in developing policies to deal with serious problems or are you just defending a particular party regardless of policies?

Rafe

28 Aug 12 at 8:18 am
“You can’t cut anything off someone until that person is competent to give their consent”.

Nah, it’ll never work.

Exhibit A: The preponderance of self mutilating freaks society is now burdened with.

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 8:19 am
Looking forward to the Steyn v Mann legal smack down. Discovery should be a hoot. I bet Mann caves.

National Review is looking forward as well.

You can bet there are going to be cultist screaming about De Murdoch & Da Kochs throughout as Mann’s frauds gets pulled apart, lie by lie.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 8:21 am
Re the premiers and the polls, when you are on the road to Greece there is no quick and painless way to change the course of the Titanic.

You can bet the Stenographers did not come up with the meme the premiers are on the nose by themselves.

Seriously, as if the PM’s staff would not use this canard for leverage.

How long before a memo from the PM falls off the back of a fax?

Token

28 Aug 12 at 8:24 am
However I think the O’Farrell government lost an opportunity to undertake real sweeping reform in NSW.

The O’Barrell gubberment has a massive mandate for sweeping change in NSW, a mandate it has utterly squandered.

Both O’Barrell and Flailieu should be sacked and then given the infidel tigger treatment – fire them out of a cannon, O’Barrell into Sydney Harbore and flailieu into the stinking Yarra.

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 8:24 am
The Brisbane Courier-Mail is becoming the Crikey of the MSM:

What separates the fruit loops and misogynists on the lunar Right, though – those who source their views from the ilk of Pickering, Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones – is the level of violent anger and overt incitements to violence.

The disturbing thing is that the likes of Facebook continue to tolerate this hatred and abuse, regardless of which side of the ideological divide it comes from.

And let’s be absolutely clear. Spittle-flecked hatred and violence is not “freedom of speech”.

Tom

28 Aug 12 at 8:24 am
And let’s be absolutely clear. Spittle-flecked hatred and violence is not “freedom of speech”.

Except when engaged in by lobotomised leftist losers, then it’s legitimate discourse, of course.

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 8:26 am
Fauxfacts Deathwatch

The endgame nears…

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 8:29 am
The O’Barrell gubberment has a massive mandate for sweeping change in NSW, a mandate it has utterly squandered.

Too true Rabz, but in the lefty world of the Media this is what passes for analysis.

Support for the Liberal leaders continues to fall amid unrest in their states over austerity measures and cost-of-living concerns as voters struggle with the two-speed economy.

What f***king austerity? Both Red Ted & O’Barrel have done the absolute minimum of cutting the public service.

That is in The Australian.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 8:32 am
What a beautiful Fairfax graph

whalehunt fun

28 Aug 12 at 8:35 am
And let’s be absolutely clear. Spittle-flecked hatred and violence is not “freedom of speech”.

How many editorials have they made about the Greenreich’s BDS?

Token

28 Aug 12 at 8:36 am
Support for the gliberal leaders continues to fall amid unrest in their states over austerity measures and cost-of-living concerns

WTF? Would these morons have preferred that the gliberals tax, spend and borrow like the f*cking lobodomy pardee?

For crying out loud people are inexcusably thick.

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 8:37 am
Its even better than the graph of declining arctic sea ice making whaling easier and safer

whalehunt fun

28 Aug 12 at 8:38 am
And let’s be absolutely clear. Spittle-flecked hatred and violence is not “freedom of speech”.

Hatred and violence are two different things. One is an emotion, the other is action.

Also it’s worth noting that there has been no violence or encouraging of violence surrounding the coverage of the AWU scandal. To say otherwise is to engage in dishonesty.

dd

28 Aug 12 at 8:39 am
Also it’s worth noting that there has been no violence or encouraging of violence surrounding the coverage of the AWU scandal. To say otherwise is to engage in dishonesty.

The Stenographers are following orders and starting a witch hunt based upon open ended emotive statements…

…while they purposely ignorne the huge holes in the PM’s speech on Thursday.

This and the “premiers on the nose” memes are just talking points to disract from the fact Nauru’s allocation is nearly full, the government will soon be flying people in people who pay organised criminals, the carbon tax has ramped up the cost of living for the poor and the fact THE PM is one document away for being pinged for corruption.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 8:45 am
More union action. Rioting in Melbourne. No worries, business as usual.

Rafe

28 Aug 12 at 8:58 am
Circumcision of newborn boys, the procedure that has polarised Western medical opinion, has been given the tick by the influential American Academy of Pediatrics.

The surgical removal of the foreskin, now not routinely performed in most Australian public hospitals, offers more health benefits than risks, an evaluation of 10 years of evidence by the academy has found.

In a statement released yesterday, the academy said the benefits of newborn male circumcision justify access to this procedure “for families who choose it”.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/circumcision-benefits-outweigh-risks-us-paediatricians-20120827-24w65.html#ixzz24n0WRlZg

dd: I always thought that the anti-c movement attracted more than its fair share of nuts – I mean there are some laughably obsessed men about this – and also that their arguments were heavily based on things that were like the more emotional forms of environmentalism – that leaving Nature alone is always best, etc.

I for one am therefore not surprised that the medical view has swung back to it, given that there always were a set of conditions that it clearly helped prevent.

I am surprised by your take on this, but then again, you are a climate fake skeptic (the skepticism seems to run only one way), so I shouldn’t be I suppose.

steve from brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 9:06 am
So it’s back to the semenblogger’s favourite topic.

Penises.

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 9:11 am
Let’s lance this ‘Liberal leaders losing popularity’ boil now.

This isn’t a Rudd-like fall from godlike to election-in-trouble slump. Both Newman and O’Farrell would walk back in tomorrow.

Victoria wasn’t a Labor-smashing event like NSW and QLD were, Red Ted only squeaked in, so it’s not surprising to see the polls at 50/50.

There was no way the Liberal vote in both NSW and QLD was going to remain at 65%+ levels until the next polls (mores the pity). Particularly as, once the pain of an awful government has been exorcised, the traditional voters will leak back. Especially when the Australian Liars Party starts telling them their usual range of porky pies about how mean Liberals are going to steal their lunch money and sell their children into slavery.

If the ALP boosters are so confident, let’s have an election! We’re in an election year, after all.

Newman has plenty of time. There won’t be any ex-public servants lining up at soup kitchens to photograph. The unions are totally unable to produce actual people that are worse off. By the time the election comes around, this will all be long forgotten, the state finances will be back on track, and – hope of hopes – someone might actually be creating wealth in the state again.

brc

28 Aug 12 at 9:37 am
@tom re: courier mail : I noted the other day just how awful the language on Pickerings Facebook page is – both in the for and against camp. I think Pickering could do himself a favour and start cleaning it up. It really is poor form, and it undermines what he has been trying to achieve.

The courier mail is a joke of a paper, of course, that much goes without saying. But they do have a point about the level of discourse, it could be more civil.

brc

28 Aug 12 at 9:40 am
What separates the fruit loops and misogynists on the lunar Right, though – those who source their views from the ilk of Pickering, Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones – is the level of violent anger and overt incitements to violence.

You lot are famous!

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 10:00 am
Hoo boy.

Exclusive: SEAL Ad to Excoriate Obama for Bowing to Foreign Leaders

The controversial super PAC Special Operations for America, led by former Navy SEALs, is set to release a blistering new ad against President Obama Tuesday at the Republican National Convention.

The ad, titled “Bow to Nobody,” depicts Navy SEALs in combat situations; it then proclaims that they fight so that America will not have to bow to anybody.

Mr. Commander-in-Chief aka Football-Spiker-in-Chief, you really pissed off the wrong group of citizens.

sdog

28 Aug 12 at 10:04 am
If it wasn’t always the job of Liberal governments to get things back into the black they could perhaps be a little more warm and cuddly. But I suspect that whatever they do, however well managed things are and under whatever circumstances, there will always be a section of the media ready to cheer the ALP back into power and toss the libs out, regardless of the consequences.
It’s what happened in 2004, 2007.

blogstrop

28 Aug 12 at 10:05 am
both in the for and against camp.

Last time I looked, I saw no virtually no sign of an “against Pickering” camp at all.

steve from brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 10:05 am
the level of violent anger and overt incitements to violence.

Oh, what a load of pansy arsed bullshite.

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 10:07 am
In Arizona, women are now legally pregnant two weeks before conception, according to a new law, the Orwellianly-named, “Women’s Health and Safety Act,” signed yesterday by Republican Governor Jan Brewer.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 10:10 am
Last time I looked, I saw no virtually no sign of an “against Pickering” camp at all.

Seriously, there must be a startup somewhere where you can buy fake commenters for your rightwing hate blog, because Bird and Pickering seem to shop at exactly the same store. Have they ever been seen in the same room together? Are they related?

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 10:14 am
the level of violent anger and overt incitements to violence

Look. When you ladies go all pearl-clutchy and wail that Australia needs a ‘new tone’, a ‘new civility’ in political discourse, be prepared to be held to your own standards.

Are you seriously wanting to go there?

sdog

28 Aug 12 at 10:14 am
sdog: you think people are “pearl clutching” for thinking that its a better outcome to have fewer guns in society so that people with anger management problems are less likely to kill.

So your view on “civility” is tainted by your stupidity. (Sorry, but let’s call a spade a spade on the “everyone guns and we are all better off” view.)

steve from brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 10:20 am
So anyway, I look at the Oz’s Web site this morning, expecting to see a continuation of the Wilson investigation… hmm, nothing above the fold… nope, not in Most Read… zero in The Nation section about it… oh, surely it’s in National Affairs – no, donuts… hey there’e the opinion section, anything – nada, zippo, zilch…

Well whodathunkit, it’s as if the Wilson story is dead. I’ll be. Fancy that. You could knock me down with a feather. Strike me pink. Strewth.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 10:21 am
Political passion is violence in the fuckwitsphere. The idea is that the fuckwit government can shut down any site it dislikes if a fuckwit decides that, according to a fuckwit’s definition, it is violent. Fascism is a zombie aphrodisiac.

Tom

28 Aug 12 at 10:22 am
The Courier Mail are world champions at building people up and then tearing them down, and vice versa It’s how they entertain themselves.

Tiny Dancer

28 Aug 12 at 10:22 am
Shooting the messengers

Another piece by Paul Zanetti on the background to the Pickering Post:

Pickering also first published the news Ralph Blewitt, Bruce Wilson’s partner, would be returning to Melbourne from Malaysia to talk to Melbourne lawyers examining the scandal. Some weeks later, the national broadsheet, The Australian revealed in a front page ‘exclusive’ Blewitt had indeed returned to Melbourne and was seeking immunity from prosecution in a deal to reveal all to the authorities. The cat was now out of the bag and the job of The Pickering Post to get the story into the public domain was done. The Post’s aim was to create so much interest from the public that the mainstream could no longer ignore what was clearly in the public interest. Ignoring was tantamount to failure. Derryn Hinch interviewed Pickering live on 3AW, in what Hinch describes as the biggest reaction to any story or interview this year. Today Hinch was informed his contract would not be renewed.

He also informs readers that he and Pickering hold multiple Walkely awards, if that is the new barometer of separating nutjobs from serious reporting.

The internet is a very powerful tool. No wonder Conroy wants to get his filthy little hands on it.

brc

28 Aug 12 at 10:26 am
Oh lordy. You are such a lame-brained chucklehead SfB.

sdog

28 Aug 12 at 10:29 am
“everyone guns and we are all better off”

FFS, having you and muttley on the case is like being savaged by a pair of hamsters.

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 10:30 am
Gillard is going to gaol fatso.

The frauds concerning Shorten and Conroy are also pretty juicy.

.

28 Aug 12 at 10:36 am
StevieLiar QC. Have you cleaned up after breakfast?

Tiny Dancer

28 Aug 12 at 10:36 am
Well whodathunkit, it’s as if the Wilson story is dead. I’ll be. Fancy that. You could knock me down with a feather. Strike me pink. Strewth

So after a week and a half of saturation coverage of the story, the entire press getting in on it, the PM holding an hour long press conference over it culminating in even Media Watch resident communist Jonathon Holmes calling it a good story.

The person who for months “argued” that it was a “non story” that would never be of interest to anyone is crowing.

LOL!

M0nty: Catallaxy wrongolist No.2. Work harder if you want the top spot m0nty you shill – I know you can do it, just believe in your self.

twostix

28 Aug 12 at 10:37 am
Poor old Dennis Dotto, out of a (nut) job and irrelevant.

King Ca-Dotto, shouting at the waves of the daily news cycle as the tide turns.

What a loser.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 10:38 am
No wonder Conroy wants to get his filthy little hands on it.

brc, you referring to this.

This is not new. When I first encountered him on May 20, 1997, he was occupied at a urinal in a men’s toilet. As I walked in, he finished his business and walked out. He did not pause. He did not wash his hands. He went straight back to the committee room.

You do not forget such images.

Rudiau

28 Aug 12 at 10:38 am
You should all go to

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/

For factual clear and balanced reporting on the AWU Scandal

Max

28 Aug 12 at 10:39 am
So after a week and a half of saturation coverage of the story, the entire press getting in on it, the PM holding an hour long press conference over it culminating in even Media Watch resident communist Jonathon Holmes calling it a good story.

It was a nice yarn, we all had a chuckle at descriptions of a botched home reno. And now the story is dead. It has been 86ed, 26.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 10:41 am
Germaine Greer certainly is damaged goods. She had an abortion once and I think she’s struggled psychologically ever since as a failed woman. On Q&A last night she passionately supported female genital mutilation, comparing the butchering of little girls to adult women in the west getting tattoos or vanity labial reductions. Interestingly, the faces of the young women in the audience spoke of disgust and none of her applause line moments caused a single clap. Even Tony Jones tried to get her to at least condemn FGM in Australia but she wouldn’t.

The analogy with circumcision, of course, is a lunatic distraction. The clitoris is not analogous to a foreskin. If little boys were having their knobs cut off entire, that would be analogous but that’s not what circumcision entails. Nor does circumcision condemn the boy to a lifetime of infections and painful, joyless sex.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 10:47 am
monty

I notice you are trying to change the insult.

1. You watched the castle and realised that Denuto actually won, even if he needed help from Bud Tingle.

2. King Canute was the undisputed King of England which was a difficult prize to seize then, and ruled over a North Sea Empire and had family ties to the ruling Polish family.

How am I being insulted by you, you moron? All you are doing is talking me up.

Irrelevant? I’ve taught stoners who never turned up to class and they passed Econ 101 fair and square – you didn’t, fatboy.

Gillard is going to gaol. Buy a box of tissues and get over it.

.

28 Aug 12 at 10:47 am
Hey, has sacked lawyer and slush fund shonk Gillard sued The Australian, Fairfax, Michael Smith, Alan Jones or Larry Pickering yet?

No?

That’s interesting. I wonder why.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 10:49 am
Shock finding from landmark eight-decade longitudinal study:

Divorce: the single strongest social predictor of early death.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 10:53 am
Germaine Greer certainly is damaged goods. She had an abortion once and I think she’s struggled psychologically ever since as a failed woman.

I always laugh in Clive James’s memoirs when he describes her as being very motherly and fussing over them.

Infidel Tiger

28 Aug 12 at 10:53 am
From the Courier Mail article:

But let’s start at the JuLIAR page (the wing-nuts love their block capitals – it makes up for a lack of vocabulary and punctuation).

It appears Paul Syvert spent the Howard years under a rock and was never exposed to that favourite term of Lefty abuse, HoWARd. I always thought JuLIAR was just a parody of HoWARd.

boy on a bike

28 Aug 12 at 10:56 am
1. You watched the castle and realised that Denuto actually won, even if he needed help from Bud Tingle.

LOL! I don’t see any Bud Tingwells parachuting in to help you out of your helpless flailings, Mr Dotto.

2. King Canute was the undisputed King of England which was a difficult prize to seize then, and ruled over a North Sea Empire and had family ties to the ruling Polish family.

How am I being insulted by you, you moron? All you are doing is talking me up.

Hahahahahahaha! You embrace the hopelessness of your intellectual position, I see. Well, you might as well laugh at yourself.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 10:59 am
But let’s start at the JuLIAR page (the wing-nuts love their block capitals – it makes up for a lack of vocabulary and punctuation).

Ah, the old word-within-word trick.

Like I was saying, pearl-clutching Lefties… you sure you really want to be held to your own standards?

Because we can do that, if you want.

sdog

28 Aug 12 at 11:01 am
Shock finding from landmark eight-decade longitudinal study:

Divorce: the single strongest social predictor of early death.

Don’t get all churchy on me.

I know someone who naively and unknowingly married a very dishonest woman (in a nuptial mass) and she cheated welfare for years, is a bankrupt, lied to child support agencies, cost the bloke hundreds of thousands, even took his dog and second hand car but left him with the bills for them, turned his kids against him until they grew up and saw sense etc.

People like that cause early deaths, not divorce itself. If that were true the church should also get rid of annulments.

If she wasn’t facilitated like that in her dishonesty by the child support agency, this wouldn’t have happened in such a way.

Now his divorce is finalised, I’d say his diagnostics (BP, HR, etc) look much better.

.

28 Aug 12 at 11:02 am
Democrats announce that their convention will be Muslim prayer gathering.

In other convention news…

Democratic National Convention Bans Children from Convention Floor.

Breast-feeding babies have also been banned.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 11:03 am
Apparently Grahame Morris this morning said Leigh Sales “can be quite a cow”. Sales was on ABC radio just then responding.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 11:03 am
You embrace the hopelessness of your intellectual position, I see. Well, you might as well laugh at yourself.

Gillard is going to gaol. Anyone who thinks she isn’t dishonest is on par with Muhammad Saeed al Sahaf.

.

28 Aug 12 at 11:03 am
It appears Paul Syvert spent the Howard years under a rock and was never exposed to that favourite term of Lefty abuse, HoWARd.

Syvret spent at least part of the Howard years as press secretary to Beattie Govt Treasurer David Hammil.

Ivan Denisovich

28 Aug 12 at 11:04 am
Gillard is going to gaol.

Are you going to get that tattooed on your arm? It’s already tattooed on the inside of your eyeballs, evidently.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 11:05 am
Do you think Gillard acted with propriety, monty?

.

28 Aug 12 at 11:07 am
Mark Colvin ‏@Colvinius
For asking the same questions Tony Jones or I would have asked Tony Abbott, @leighsales just got called “a cow” by Graham Morris on @abc702.

Leigh Sales ‏@leighsales
@Colvinius @abc702 I’d rather be a cow than a dinosaur.

Zing!

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 11:07 am
Apparently Grahame Morris this morning said Leigh Sales “can be quite a cow”.

Germaine Greer said last night that Gillard was a fat-arsed organ grinder’s monkey. Tony Jones giggled.

————————————————–

Don’t get all churchy on me.

It’s a quantitative study. Nothing to do with church.

The long-term health effects of parental divorce were often devastating— it was indeed a risky circumstance that changed the pathways of many of the young Terman participants. Children from divorced families died almost five years earlier on average than children from intact families. Parental divorce, not parental death, was the risk. In fact, parental divorce during childhood was the single strongest social predictor of early death, many years into the future.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 11:07 am
The trolls are drowning everything else out.

Do you think Gillard acted with propriety, monty?

.

28 Aug 12 at 11:07 am
Children from divorced families died almost five years earlier on average than children from intact families.

I’d still point the finger at selection bias. Idiots are going to be harmful to their children.

.

28 Aug 12 at 11:09 am
Do you think Gillard acted with propriety, monty?

Yes. And so does everyone else who isn’t an Internet nut job like you, because the story is dead.

Now can we get back to talking about policy?

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 11:10 am
Do you think Gillard acted with propriety, monty?

Yes. And so does everyone else who isn’t an Internet nut job like you, because the story is dead.

What a fool believes.

Now can we get back to talking about policy?

We can when you fuck off.

.

28 Aug 12 at 11:12 am
What a fool believes.

We can when you fuck off.

You can tell when Dot has completely and utterly lost the argument, because all he has left are insults and abuse.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 11:13 am
Most people think Ms Gillard is shonky, she’s got no cred. if they replaced her with an honest face their polls would go up at least 5, just for getting her out of there.

candy

28 Aug 12 at 11:14 am
Shorter munty:

Gillard is innocent because the ALP find it inconvenient and embarrassing for her to be guilty.

You’re such a fucking joke, pal.

.

28 Aug 12 at 11:14 am
monty you have never contributed anything here whatsoever other than ALP interference.

We will discuss policy when you crawl back down the hole you came from, freak.

.

28 Aug 12 at 11:15 am
Swear more Dot, that really enhances your debating position.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 11:15 am
Democratic National Convention Bans Children from Convention Floor.

It’s a shame children aren’t banned from contact with our ALP members. Many court cases could have been avoided.

Infidel Tiger

28 Aug 12 at 11:19 am
You don’t engage monty and you are a liar. You engage in invective in the first instance and then complain when you get it back.

You are now basing a victory of sorts on the fact that I swore?

You petal.

Now, I’ll say it nicely: we’ll have sensible debate when you leave. You are a worthless human being. You are an inane fool with vested interests if you think Gillard is innocent and the story is over.

She will be rolled or lose very badly. After she is PM, she is going to gaol.

People are not cranks if they disagree with you monty. You are the misanthrope with thinks graduates should be taxed into poverty.

You are the true crank here, and a despicable freak.

.

28 Aug 12 at 11:19 am
Ironic that dot get the Dennis Denuto smear, while monty argues “it’s the vibe”.

Keith

28 Aug 12 at 11:22 am
dot turns on the charm again.

steve from brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 11:22 am
I always look forward to Germaine Greer’s visits to Australia. It reminds me how lucky we are she chooses to live in the UK.

H B Bear

28 Aug 12 at 11:27 am
Steve,

It is hilarious how as a ‘concerned conservative catholic’ you give me dating tips, write about Tony Abbot’s penis and semen, and one of your tips is that I’m rather abrasive to a silly, irrational fat guy from Melbourne in his mid 40′s, and I shouldn’t do it, apparently this is going to help me get a wife.

Somehow I’m sure this means that everything we say here at the cat contrary to ALP and Greens policy is somehow invalidated.

.

28 Aug 12 at 11:29 am
Ironic that dot get the Dennis Denuto smear, while monty argues “it’s the vibe”.

monty isn’t self aware. He is the paragon of the Dunning Kruger effect.

.

28 Aug 12 at 11:30 am
“It was a nice yarn, we all had a chuckle at descriptions of a botched home reno. And now the story is dead. It has been 86ed, 26.”

So mUttly, your “trained” journalistic insight equally matches your BMI… both flabby and lazy.

Hedley-
“In relation to your other questions about future stories and content, the answers are ‘yes’, and ‘both’.”

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/1230_thomas.pdf

DavidJ

28 Aug 12 at 11:32 am
First Amendment win in the US.

We need a first amendment here ro rein in Nanny Roxon:

WSJ: Court Strikes Graphic Cigarette Labels

WASHINGTON—A federal appeals court on Friday struck down requirements for large graphic warning labels on cigarette packages, saying the government didn’t provide evidence that the labels would bring down smoking rates.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, in a 2-1 decision, said federal regulators fell short of meeting constitutional requirements for justifying the labeling rules. “The First Amendment requires the government not only to state a substantial interest justifying a regulation on commercial speech, but also to show that its regulation directly advances that goal,” Judge Janice Rogers Brown wrote in the majority opinion.

The Food and Drug Administration “failed to present any data—much less the substantial evidence…showing that enacting their proposed graphic warnings will accomplish the agency’s stated objective of reducing smoking rates,” she added.

JamesK

28 Aug 12 at 11:33 am
Germaine Greer on Q&A. An Archbishop can fart loudly in Church and leave the Verger giggling and the congregation wondering if it might have been a profound comment.

Dr Faustus

28 Aug 12 at 11:35 am
Now, I’ll say it nicely: we’ll have sensible debate when you leave.

You don’t have a debate, you have a bunch of like-minded apparatchiks agreeing with each other on most things, as well as a few old saws like abortion and SSM where the same tired old men prosecute the same tired old ideological wars of decades past. Spare us from more beagle threads.

You are the true crank here, and a despicable freak.

Actually Dot, I’m just the sort of person you normally support: the lone wolf, fighting against the establishment, carving out a niche of fact in a world of lies. Except it’s bizarro world at the Cat, and it’s the one who supports scientific consensus who is in the minority here.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 11:37 am
Good to see the Comrades rallying around one of their own in a time of crisis…

Cathy Jackson to be sacked

Read that for the least convincing legal arguement by a union offical ever,,

thefrollickingmole

28 Aug 12 at 11:47 am
Actually Dot, I’m just the sort of person you normally support: the lone wolf, fighting against the establishment, carving out a niche of fact in a world of lies.

Wow, that comment provides a lot of insight when trying to understand what the hell is going on with Monty.

John Mc

28 Aug 12 at 11:49 am
Cathy Jackson to be sacked

Why do fat, stupid, male union corruptocrats hate women?

Zeeeeexists!

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 11:56 am
Actually Dot, I’m just the sort of person you normally support: the lone wolf, fighting against the establishment, carving out a niche of fact in a world of lies.

For to long society has ignored the fat hairy middle aged bloke who has battled against kids in Dream Team.

Let’s organise this super hero a street parade.

Infidel Tiger

28 Aug 12 at 12:00 pm
Do you think Gillard acted with propriety, monty?

Yes. And so does everyone else who isn’t an Internet nut job like you, because the story is dead.

mUnty finally admits what we all knew. He is morally and ethically bankrupt…

Your ‘niche of fact’ is actually wave after wave of bullsh!t crashing against the Catallaxian beach. Internet nut job. Is that your own phrase mUnty or did you pay royalties to McTernan?

Skuter

28 Aug 12 at 12:03 pm
Nicola Roxon did fine on Australian Story last night: she looks like a perfectly reasonable and competent politician.

steve from brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 12:04 pm
Hey mUnty, here’s a policy we can chat about – ensuring union leaders have the same responsibilities as company directors. Do you support higher standards of union governance or not?

Skuter

28 Aug 12 at 12:05 pm
Nicola Roxon did fine on Australian Story last night: she looks like a perfectly reasonable and competent politician.

Her head belongs in a lead lined bag.

It’s doubtful she has ever washed that mank head of hair.

She repulses me on a cellular level.

Infidel Tiger

28 Aug 12 at 12:08 pm
“She repulses me on a cellular level.”

bill shorten thought she was a bit of alright apparently.

candy

28 Aug 12 at 12:20 pm
I’d still point the finger at selection bias.

Interesting you say that, as I’m currently reading the article “Why Liberal Neutrality Prohibits Same-Sex Marriage: Rawls, Political Liberalism, and the Family“, which I linked to in the previous open thread, I came across this:

the force of the American Psychological Association’s influential 2005 brief on lesbian and gay parenting. The brief asserts, “Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents.”125 But this assertion is extremely misleading, because the 59 studies cited in the brief do not really examine the “children of lesbian or gay parents” and furthermore they fail to use a stable and well-defined conception of “heterosexual parents” as a comparison class.126 The studies overwhelmingly examine small, nonrepresentative convenience samples of well-educated, wealthy, white lesbian mothers who live in cities on the East or West coast….

The studies also … generally neglect to study the effects of lesbian or gay parenting on “intergenerational poverty, collegiate education and/or labor force contribution, serious criminality, incarceration, early childbearing, drug/alcohol abuse, or suicide that are frequently the foci of national studies on children, adolescents, and young adults….”128

Twenty-two of the 59 studies cited in the brief (44.1%) have no
heterosexual parenting comparison group whatsoever, and of the remaining 33 studies that do have a comparison group, many do not use intact families headed by a married mother and father. At least 13 of the 33 studies used various single-parent families as the heterosexual comparison groups, usually single mothers who were divorced or never married. The remaining 20 studies ambiguously refer to their heterosexual comparison group as “mothers” or “couples” without identifying whether they are single, married, divorced, cohabiting, or a mixture of these.129
– from pp. 36-7.

In fact, the references cited therein quite convincingly substantiate CL’s previous argument that children being raised by their biological parents is the optimal arrangement for children. The study he links to above is further support for this.

dover_beach

28 Aug 12 at 12:21 pm
Yea , totally reasonable stepford.

Her father died of cancer when she was 10 and the fat troll decides to run a jihad against da smoking because of that.

The cancer sounded unrelated to his own smoking

Jc　

28 Aug 12 at 12:24 pm
So magnanimous of you, Sinc. Come on in, trolls, use us as a skating rink.

Tom

28 Aug 12 at 12:26 pm
mOron and Stevieliar QC: did you two retards lose your moral compass or were you delivered by Jayant Patel when he had a fling at obstrics?

Tiny Dancer

28 Aug 12 at 12:33 pm
The proposal has been around for years, JC. She did not invent it.

steve from brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 12:33 pm
Good Lord, I’ll observe again, for the 20th time probably: these Boltardian arrivals are a whiny lot.

steve from brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 12:36 pm
Gillard has said she ended her relationship with Wilson when she realised what he was doing. Her legal obligation was to report Wilson to the police. In not doing so she broke the law. Gillard is a crook by her own admission even if we accept all her laughable excuses for being the worst lawyer in the history of the Common Law. Her excuses make Sergeant Shultz look like a model of fiduciary oversight and attention to legal detail.

John Comnenus

28 Aug 12 at 12:36 pm
Does anyone have Newmans ear? I think a weekly half hour show advertising the Bligh governments most outrageous spending stuff ups would get wonderful ratings, as well as letting the electorate know why they should never vote Labor again.
For example, “The $7000,000 Egg in the Rainforest” could be put against a graph showing how maney PS jobs it cost, or a round up with graphs would be a nice way of showing the debt position. As well as keeping it in the public eye.

Winston SMITH

28 Aug 12 at 12:36 pm
“She repulses me on a cellular level.”

bill shorten thought she was a bit of alright apparently.

She ticks every box Shorten needs in a woman, she has a pulse.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 12:37 pm
Sorry – $700,000 egg in da forest.

Winston SMITH

28 Aug 12 at 12:37 pm
Her father died of cancer when she was 10 and the fat troll decides to run a jihad against da smoking because of that.

Oh no. Not another Labor figure with a Tragic Story.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 12:38 pm
Mark Colvin and Leigh Sales play the sexist card.

How tedious.

H B Bear

28 Aug 12 at 12:39 pm
So magnanimous of you, Sinc. Come on in, trolls, use us as a skating rink.

It was nice to see M0nty was able to have a run around and bite a few ankles this morning like a feral Pekanese. He does get very yappy when we keep putting him in his place.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 12:41 pm
“She repulses me on a cellular level.”

bill shorten thought she was a bit of alright apparently.

Ggggaaaggggg!!!

The perfect appetite suppressant…

Skuter

28 Aug 12 at 12:42 pm
Poor Nanny Roxon. Let the government do your thinking for you.

Especially Stephen Conroy – he loves it.

H B Bear

28 Aug 12 at 12:43 pm
Her father died of cancer when she was 10 and the fat troll decides to run a jihad against da smoking because of that.

Oh no. Not another Labor figure with a Tragic Story.

I bet she got the tissues out when she heard Conroy’s tragic story of the UK faux mega nuclear meltdown in the 1950′s like the rest of the Labor faithful.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 12:43 pm
Sales isn’t a cow.

Coward, more like it.

We’re all waiting for her to prove her bona fides by harrassing Julia Gillard for her endless – numberless – lies.

But of course she won’t.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 12:43 pm
Her father died of cancer when she was 10 and the fat troll decides to run a jihad against da smoking because of that.

Yep, almost as heart rending as the conboy nuclear milk disaster…

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 12:45 pm
Don’t worry: Chris Ulmann is good for a soft Coalition interview every time.

I don’t know how his wife puts up with it.

steve from brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 12:45 pm
I bet she got the tissues out when she heard Conroy’s tragic story of the UK faux mega nuclear meltdown in the 1950′s like the rest of the Labor faithful.

Ahahahahahahahaha.

I forgot about that one.

“My family remembers when they came and took away all the milk for months because you couldn’t drink it,” he said.

Tim Blair had the pic.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 12:46 pm
aaarrrggghh Tokes!

I’ll cut and check comments in future…

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 12:46 pm
You don’t have a debate, you have a bunch of like-minded apparatchiks agreeing with each other on most things …

No, that would be the ABC/Fairfax/Greens/ALP/AGW world that you lot inhabit. The love media are quite plentiful enough and already in our faces daily to provide us with things to criticise without you pixel-wasters repeating it all here, ad nauseum, and cluttering up the joint.
Your pretences about wanting to argue are shot down by your own boilerplate lines combined with complete disdain for the regulars here, so your contempt come back at you with added spite, which is richly deserved.
Why the management thinks they have to uphold an exemplary standard of dormat behaviour towards you is a mystery. I’m sure they would treat gate crashers and uninvited crashing bores at their own homes quite differently.

blogstrop

28 Aug 12 at 12:47 pm
“Oh no. Not another Labor figure with a Tragic Story.”

yeh, it’s kind of annoying because so many people have something in their lives like that – you know, someone died of cancer – and there’s no Australian story about it.

candy

28 Aug 12 at 12:48 pm
Does anyone have Newmans ear? I think a weekly half hour show advertising the Bligh governments most outrageous spending stuff ups would get wonderful ratings, as well as letting the electorate know why they should never vote Labor again.

I trust from the fact the Courier Mail has gone troppo the state government advertising budget has have been slashed from the astronomical levels the Bligh givernment set out.

You are right, teach the MF at the Courier Mail a lesson and go around them.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 12:48 pm
So many running jokes in the Gillard government – it’s easy to forget them.

H B Bear

28 Aug 12 at 12:49 pm
Re Trolls

In the real world, when two sane people have a discussion/debate and find themselves in violent disagreement, they change the subject. If they find themselves again at odds with each other, they shake hands and part ways.

To hide behind anonymity on the internet and continually front up to push your own ideology within a space that you know where your thoughts are not appreciated (for want of a better word) is either stupidity or, as they say out in the western suburbs of the world, c*#tish behaviour.

Then to whinge and moan that your getting abused is insane behaviour

Dan

28 Aug 12 at 12:50 pm
aaarrrggghh Tokes!

I’ll cut and check comments in future…

I’m not surprised we both thought of it. Labor seems to be setting up these saccharine heart warming profiles every 2-3 weeks. As Candy says, its not like they are the only people who have lost family to tragedy, but unlike the rest of us, they are crass enough to milk the loss for political advantage.

Did they throw a link to Goose’s saccharine profile from a few weeks ago? Any Springsteen posters?

Token

28 Aug 12 at 12:52 pm
… you know, someone died of cancer – and there’s no Australian story about it.

Yes and I have a particular problem with that disgusting unwashed trollope roxon being given oxygen (at taxpayers’ expense) in regard to such an utterly trivial matter.

If I had a daughter as hideous as roxon I’d fabricate a mysterious fatal illness as well.

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 12:53 pm
What about Swan?

Does he have a Tragic Story™?

Dad died?

Aunt Betty run over by a bus?

Cat electrocuted?

Springsteen records warped in the sun?

Something that seared itself into his troubled soul – his very being – and caused him to join the Labor Party to set things to right?

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 12:53 pm
Tokes,

You know the thing that really pissed me off about the conboy nuclear milk whinge was just how absolutely fucking trivial and pathetic it was.

No gubberment subsidised milk for milksop conboy for a few weeks due to a bit ‘o’ trooble at nuclear power plant, m’lud…

And he was bawling his eyes out about it, FFS!

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 12:57 pm
The story did not dwell on her father’s illness as a motivating factor for Roxon at all. It was in large part just an interesting profile of her family background and life, as are many Australian Story episodes.

But do continue with the ugliness.

steve from brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 12:58 pm
I’m not sure about Swan but I believe Robert Ray was once sent to bed without is dinner. I feel your pain, Robbie. Never again!

dover_beach

28 Aug 12 at 12:59 pm
Wayne Swan actually has a feelgood story. He’s the first retard ever to become Treasurer.

Infidel Tiger

28 Aug 12 at 12:59 pm
I do enjoy Tom’s daily dose of thread-filler (“what are the trolls doing here, Mummy can’t you make them go away?”)

SteveC

28 Aug 12 at 1:00 pm
It was in large part just an interesting profile of her family background and life, as are many Australian Story episodes.

Jews who became Methodists and then sought to inflict all their fears and inadequacies on a whole nation. They should turn it into a major Australian film.

Infidel Tiger

28 Aug 12 at 1:01 pm
But do continue with the ugliness.

No.

dover_beach

28 Aug 12 at 1:01 pm
S. Conroy’s reactions appear over the top and with the crying. I had a hunch he might be susceptible to a substance but could be just an evil thought I got at the time.

candy

28 Aug 12 at 1:01 pm
just an interesting profile of her family background and life

Oh, FFS. There are monocellular organisms that spend their entire lives dwelling under rocks that more interesting than that filthy commie cow.

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 1:02 pm
Swan join the left because on his first day at a real job, some fat Bastid with a goatee stood over him and said “you wanna work here, you need a ticket” and the gutless fucker fell for it

Dan

28 Aug 12 at 1:04 pm
Don’t forget Kevvie’s sleeping in the car story.

That brought me to tears – and his government.

H B Bear

28 Aug 12 at 1:04 pm
Newman to look at bed-wetting gun laws…

Classic pic of one member of the new Ministerial Weapons Advisory Panel!

Police Union wants the bedwetting to go on:

Queensland Police Union president Ian Leavers said all gun-control bureaucracy and restrictions were vital to community and police safety.

He said that since 2000 police were just as likely to be killed by licensed gun owners as people using illegal firearms.

“If anything we shouldn’t reduce red tape for gun owners, but increase it,” Mr Leavers said.

“Red tape in this instance means risk-mitigation and having appropriate safeguards, which we want to keep in place. A reduction in red tape around gun ownership will simply mean more people will die. It’s as simple as that.”

Mr Leavers said the union had not been invited to join the advisory panel, noting it was dominated by organisations that urged the relaxation of gun controls.

Police being amongst the most dangerous buffoons with firearms in our society.

(Yes, that’s a woman in the video).

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 1:07 pm
The funny thing is, Dan just had a go at contributors “hiding behind” anonymity, and how shabby this is (if he disagrees with them).

Never mind that most of the “pro” Catallaxy side are also resolutely anonymous: there are no photos at all with which to compare the inherent masculine beauty of those here who insist that Roxon is the ugliest woman they have seen. How cowardly is that?*

* rhetorical question.

steve from brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 1:07 pm
who insist that roxon is the ugliest woman they have seen

More pathetic bleating.

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 1:11 pm
Steve, Roxon may look like Jennifer Hawkins outside, but all I see is her inner ugliness.

Infidel Tiger

28 Aug 12 at 1:12 pm
Jews who became Methodists and then sought to inflict all their fears and inadequacies on a whole nation. They should turn it into a major Australian film.

Good point IT, that is the exact type of story with absolutely no commercial appeal which the Australian Film Industry loves!

Stories that pitch to the inner luvvie suburbs has been the mainstay of the film industry since they were able to get the Hawke government to put it on the public teet in the 1980′s.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 1:13 pm
“If anything we shouldn’t reduce red tape for gun owners, but increase it,” Mr Leavers said.

And yet if your deranged it’s not hard to get a motor vehicle license.

Dan

28 Aug 12 at 1:14 pm
IT: You don’t like her because you used to smoke. You were a teenager who used to do it to impress girls. You were not very smart then, and maturity is taking a long time to arrive.

steve from brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 1:15 pm
S. Conroy’s reactions appear over the top and with the crying. I had a hunch he might be susceptible to a substance but could be just an evil thought I got at the time.

I’m sure the real reason he was crying was because he once again did not wash his hands and paid for it when he touched his eyes.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 1:17 pm
I don’t like Roxon because I believe in the uplifting human story of personal freedom and personal responsibility.

The day I let some unwashed goose stepping hausfrau dictate to me what I can and can’t do, is the day I take the Stanly Knife to my testes, don a pink frock and renounce the sweet love of beautiful women.

Infidel Tiger

28 Aug 12 at 1:20 pm
I’m with OHH on the circumcision question. And so is the German Landegericht Court so get out of the way Steve or get run over by a Panzer tank.

The German middle court ruled that cutting off a kids foreskin even with parental consent, constitutes a crime in German law. No it doesn’t promote the kid’s welfare but “violated his fundamental right to bodily integrity’ and‘the body of the child is irreparably and permanently changed by a circumcision’.

The parents aren’t allowed to appeal so the decision is final says the Adelaide academic who’s following the story, any legal changes will have to be changed by act of the German parliament or a test. Although in fairness, Koch says all three Abrahamic religions are unhappy about it, but my question is who will kick harder- the Muslims or the Jews?

MT Isa Miner

28 Aug 12 at 1:20 pm
Being relatively new here, what was sfb and monty’s response when Andrew Robb publicly discussed his battles with depression? Anyone?

Keith

28 Aug 12 at 1:23 pm
uplifting human story of personal freedom and personal responsibility.

It’s sounding suspiciously like you’ve read Rand…

steve from brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 1:25 pm
mOnty thought Robb was dangerous and should have been forced out of parliament.

Infidel Tiger

28 Aug 12 at 1:26 pm
monty said if he was his employee he’d sack him, Keith. Nice, eh?

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 1:26 pm
It’s sounding suspiciously like you’ve read Rand…

No. No real desire to.

Infidel Tiger

28 Aug 12 at 1:27 pm
DRUDGE:

Obama’s “body man” Reggie Love speaks!

Reggie Love: Obama leads like he plays.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 1:29 pm
Being relatively new here, what was sfb and monty’s response when Andrew Robb publicly discussed his battles with depression? Anyone?

I don’t recall sfb weighing in, but my reaction is that I don’t want someone on hard, mind-altering drugs with their hands on the tiller of the state. It’s a personal thing. If I had my druthers, those on presecription medication for depression would be disqualified from cabinet positions.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 1:30 pm
Ms Roxon goes about calling Tony Abbott sexist and other stuff, all lies and mean talk, so why shoud I be interested or care about her story. She’s probably half fabricated it anyway.

candy

28 Aug 12 at 1:31 pm
Well, thank goodness for that.

By the way, IT, your thoughts on freedom are probably being unduly affected by the fact that your backwards State has just allowed Sunday shopping everywhere.

(I heard on the radio that this has only just changed.)

Now that you can hit the malls on Sunday, I expect you’ll start to feel better soon.

steve from brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 1:32 pm
If I had my druthers, those on presecription medication for depression would be disqualified from cabinet positions.

You mean, like your beloved Churchill – famous depressive, medicated on alcohol?

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 1:34 pm
JFK was also heavily medicated.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 1:34 pm
“If I had my druthers, those on presecription medication for depression would be disqualified ..?

but Craig Thomson’s okay?

candy

28 Aug 12 at 1:37 pm
JFK was also heavily medicated.

Hence the sobriquet: “Two Minute Jack”…

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 1:37 pm
but Craig Thomson’s okay?

Yes Candy, those nasty gliberals have stopped trying to hound him to an early grave.

More’s the pity…

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 1:39 pm
FFS, having you and muttley on the case is like being savaged by a pair of hamsters.

LOL. The images that produced…lol

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 1:40 pm
Robb is no Churchill or JFK. The comparison is laughable.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 1:43 pm
I mainly object to Robb for being boring.

steve from brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 1:45 pm
Robb is no Churchill or JFK. The comparison is laughable.

No no. You would have dismissed Churchill back in 1905.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 1:47 pm
He’s not as boring and predictable as you, SFB. You win the Cup on that score.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 1:48 pm
Democrats announce that their convention will be Muslim prayer gathering.

Back to Obama’s roots then.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 1:48 pm
Robb is no Churchill or JFK. The comparison is laughable.

Your views on people working through depression is as regressive as your views on corruption.

You really are a 19th century man in many ways M0nty.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 1:50 pm
I mainly object to Robb for being boring.

We know Steve, people who are competent and tell the truth are not your style.

By contrast SoB looovvveess crooked rangers who set up SLUSH funds on the sly.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 1:51 pm
backwards State has just allowed Sunday shopping everywhere.

What!!?? Next thing they’ll adopt daylight saving !

SteveC

28 Aug 12 at 1:51 pm
“No no no! I didn’t set up a trust fund – I set up a slush fund!”

Still makes me laugh at her.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 1:53 pm
KERRY O’BRIEN: Understood. But Blanche, you’ve said that Bob at one point that year was in the grip of depression and had actually contemplated suicide. How seriously?

BLANCHE D’ALPUGET: Well I don’t know how seriously, but he told me he had contemplated suicide, he was so upset. But the extraordinary thing was he actually was suffering from depression and none of the staff recognised it, or if they did, they didn’t put a name on it. And back in those days people had depression and “Oh, tough”.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2010/s2951589.htm

Bob Hawke is my role model: Gillard.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 1:55 pm
Interesting development:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/carbon-tax/government-cuts-carbon-floor-price/story-fndttws1-1226459926677

A notable feature of the story is that Combet is apparently asking for the Greens permission and advice on how low he can go.

Mr Combet put to the Greens that the $15 floor price, which will underpin the scheme after it becomes a floating ETS in 2015, be dropped. The Australian has also been told that Mr Combet raised moving to a cap-and-trade system earlier.

The discussions centred on how to more closely align the Australian scheme to the European Union’s scheme – the biggest carbon trading market in the world.

No doubt, these are hate media lies…

Skuter

28 Aug 12 at 1:57 pm
No no. You would have dismissed Churchill back in 1905.

LOL, CL reckons Robb will be the next Churchill. Pull the other one, Lad, it’s got bells on. You’re such a clown.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 1:58 pm
Robb is no Churchill or JFK. The comparison is laughable.

monty, once again, misses they are analogous in the relevant respect: depressives under medication.

dover_beach

28 Aug 12 at 1:58 pm
Skuter

News Radio announced they will be crossing to Combet’s presser when it kicks off in a few minutes.

DaveF

28 Aug 12 at 1:59 pm
No no.

You’ve said that you would have sacked Churchill before anyone knew him – back in 1905.

You’ve also said that you would have sacked Bob Hawke.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 1:59 pm
You’re such a clown

Still lobbing bricks from your glass residence mUnty???

Skuter

28 Aug 12 at 1:59 pm
You sound surprised, dover. Or are you just being polite.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 2:00 pm
Monty addresses the Catallaxian Hulk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30lGrarz3MQ

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 2:01 pm
News Radio announced they will be crossing to Combet’s presser when it kicks off in a few minutes.

Break out the wattle folks – it looks like the Greens will be making an announcement through their ALP ministerial lackey…

Skuter

28 Aug 12 at 2:02 pm
I do enjoy Tom’s daily dose of thread-filler (“what are the trolls doing here, Mummy can’t you make them go away?”)

Hiding behind screen names is understandable, but that jibe is hiding behind the (quite reasonable so far) assumption that you can be as big a pain as you like with impunity here.
I think it illustrates your value very well. Most of what you contribute is thread-filler, and all of you would scream murder if Sinc ever did lance you and the others, several boils, the way he should.

blogstrop

28 Aug 12 at 2:05 pm
Combet: our ets will be linked to such economies as England, Germany and France. We’re sunk.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 2:06 pm
Break out the wattle folks – it looks like the Greens will be making an announcement through their ALP ministerial lackey…

Labor: the more things change…

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 2:06 pm
monty, once again, misses they are analogous in the relevant respect: depressives under medication.

Alcohol is not “medication”.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 2:08 pm
On a lighter note:

A Romanian taxi driver claims a sex-crazed Angelina Jolie lookalike passenger stabbed him after he refused to satisfy her for a third time.

He may have 99 problems but…

DaveF

28 Aug 12 at 2:08 pm
Labor stands up to the big Green:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30lGrarz3MQ

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 2:08 pm
monty, once again, misses they are analogous in the relevant respect: depressives under medication.

M0nty takes acts like a feral Pekanese when he knows he’s been found out being crass…and yet he wonders why people don’t warm to him in life.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 2:10 pm
The presser is drivel. We’re linking our CO2 market to the EU fraud ridden market.

Wow he was just asked a sensible question about blowing a hole in their estimates of a $20 odd carbon dioxide price when you can buy them in Europe for a couple of bucks.

Response: dissembling.

DaveF

28 Aug 12 at 2:12 pm
He may have 99 problems but…

She sounds like my ex.

Where was this again?

JamesK

28 Aug 12 at 2:17 pm
The latest lot are taxied in…

THE navy has intercepted a suspected asylum seeker boat carrying 165 passengers off the West Australian coast…Earlier, Mr Clare said the customs vessel Hervey Bay had overnight found 77 asylum seekers on North Keeling Island, in the Cocos Islands.

Authorities have intercepted two boats carrying 103 suspected asylum seekers north of Cocos Keeling Islands.

This brings the number of boat arrivals to four in two days.

Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare said customs vessel Hervey Bay intercepted the boats, carrying 49 and 54 passengers, on Monday.

Well, good to see Gillard’s border policies are working so well.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 2:18 pm
Gillard knows that once Nauru is filled to the brim the Coalition won’t be able to talk about Nauru.

Once that has occured the Alliance will be able to return to giving people who pay $5k to $10k to organised criminals the green light to dictate our immigration policy.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 2:21 pm
Gee, who’d have that Nauru might not work as well this time around?

That’s right: the same public servant who advised Howard and recommended a solution where they don’t get here at all.

steve from brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 2:21 pm
Gee, who’d have that Nauru might not work as well this time around?

That’s right: the same public servant who advised Howard and recommended a solution where they don’t get here at all.

I beat you Steve.

As discussed many times, Nauru is useless without TPV’s and detirmination to tow back boats in Indo waters…

…but you knew that you troll.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 2:22 pm
SFB, Nauru by itself will not work. This fact is well known among those intelligent enough not to believe the daily talking-points sheet from labor.

btw, nothing has been signed with Nauru nor with PNG. They’re still waiting for Gilllard to discuss the issues and details with the respected governments.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 2:25 pm
Gee, who’d have that Nauru might not work as well this time around?

That’s right: the same public servant who advised Howard and recommended a solution where they don’t get here at all

A genius analysis there liar.

JamesK

28 Aug 12 at 2:25 pm
Yet his “mind-altering” drugs have stabilised Robb’s problems and enabled him to lead a productive life. Apparently we would all have Robb’s problem if our endocrine system didn’t fire at the right time of day in the correct sequence. The drugs involved simply ensure a normal daily cycle of his endocrine system, and it takes care of the rest.
It should be noted that Robb actually stepped down in order to deal with his problems, before coming back better than ever.
It is estimated that 20% of all politicians are on anti-depressants.

Keith

28 Aug 12 at 2:25 pm
The drugs involved simply ensure a normal daily cycle of his endocrine system

So not “mind-altering” drugs as monty has stated? One wonders how monty actually knows what medication Robb is/was on.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 2:28 pm
I’m not sure but can’t anyone in any job including police, miners, drivers, people in health profession, etc take antidepressants, so why not a cabinet minister?

candy

28 Aug 12 at 2:28 pm
JamesK: Romania.

SfB
It won’t work as well because there are no temp protection visas. If you are only here for 5 years 10 grand is too expensive. Cheap if you are here for life.

Anyway there’s always Manus Island when Nauru gets full.

DaveF

28 Aug 12 at 2:30 pm
The governments “pacific” solution is about two years too late unfortunately.

candy

28 Aug 12 at 2:33 pm
Those that are sent to Nauru will protest, go on hunger strikes, injure themselves etc etc and the Gillard government will buckle under the pressure from human rights activists and the UN. She just doesn’t have the courage of her convictions. Hell, she has no convictions except to save her own skin.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 2:36 pm
Even Tony Jones tried to get her to at least condemn FGM in Australia but she wouldn’t.

I didn’t see the show, but where is this morally retarded self serving wrinkled up soured and joyless ancient hag in mental braces coming from? We know she’s never had a child, but I am beginning to doubt that she has ever even had an orgasm. No-one who had could countenance for a minute doing this in the name of culture to little girls.

I’m glad it seems as if the girls in the audience picked her on this one for the fraud she clearly is and has always been as far as real women and our experiences are concerned. Crawl into bed and try rubbing it lady, they do say it’s never too late to learn. Charitably perhaps, maybe you’ve lost your memory along with your marbles?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

28 Aug 12 at 2:37 pm
I’m not sure but can’t anyone in any job including police, miners, drivers, people in health profession, etc take antidepressants, so why not a cabinet minister?

Like I said, it’s a personal belief of mine, I wouldn’t necessarily advocate for it being public policy. I don’t like the thought of a medicated person’s finger being on The Button.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 2:40 pm
SFB, Nauru by itself will not work. This fact is well known among those intelligent enough not to believe the daily talking-points sheet from labor.

He knows that Gab, he’s read the discussions and predictions of just that over the last few weeks. He’s just willfully advancing the ALP’s cause: “oh see letting them wander around Nauru for a few weeks before bringing them here to live doesn’t work – see Abbott was wrong”.

He lies a lot.

twostix

28 Aug 12 at 2:41 pm
Those that are sent to Nauru will protest, go on hunger strikes, injure themselves etc etc and the Gillard government will buckle under the pressure from human rights activists and the UN.

As opposed to Howard who approved 90% of Nauru inmates as refugees?

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 2:42 pm
Graphic on Sky News right now:

GREENS REACTION TO THE CARBON PRICE
ANNOUNCEMENT, LIVE SHORTY ON SKY NEWS

Apparently Christine Milne and/or SHY is a gangsta shawtay.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 2:44 pm
Twin failures today from Gillard on carbon dioxide and borders.

What a doofus.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 2:44 pm
Alcohol is not “medication”.

Well, this would mean that Churchill’s position is even more shaky in your schema than Robb’s since his depression is being untreated.

dover_beach

28 Aug 12 at 2:44 pm
Perhaps he’s just extremely gullible, Twostix. People with a bit of intelligence ask further questions, reason things out for themselves. But not SFB not when it comes to his Dear Leader. What’s he going to go on about once Gillard gets tarred and feathered and driven out of town? Will he drool over the next Labor leader?

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 2:45 pm
As opposed to Howard who approved 90% of Nauru inmates as refugees?

You lie

Token

28 Aug 12 at 2:46 pm
As opposed to Howard who approved 90% of Nauru inmates as refugees?

30% were returned to their country of origin. 43% were settled here, the balance were taken by other countries.

It’s boring having to repeat myself.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 2:47 pm
I don’t like the thought of a medicated person’s finger being on The Button.

What button would that be for an Australian cabinet member, Monty?

The one on his office intercom?

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 2:47 pm
And the boats stopped coming in any great number!

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 2:47 pm
Lying M0nty tries to repeat a lie that lying Gillard and lying Swan have peddled.

A MISTAKEN Deputy Prime Minister Wayne Swan told parliament this week that almost all the asylum seekers sent to Nauru had been settled in Australia.

Mr Swan took aim at Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and claimed: “I can certainly confirm that virtually all those people they sent to Nauru came to Australia.”

However, in an issue raised by 2GB broadcaster Ray Hadley, his comments were in contrast to information provided by Labor’s then immigration minister Chris Evans in February 2008 when the Nauru processing centre was closed. Mr Evan’s update showed that 61 per cent of the 1153 refugees who had spent time on Nauru had been settled in Australia. Hundreds more were returned to their home countries while others were settled in New Zealand, Canada and other countries.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard corrected a similar comment she made during question time last year. She admitted she had “erred” when she said 90 per cent of those sent to Nauru ended up in Australia. “I should have said Australia and New Zealand,” she told parliament. Mr Swan’s office did not comment when asked if the record would be corrected in parliament.

Time to man up M0nty.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 2:48 pm
I forgot Tom’s twin – blogstrop, my bad.

SteveC

28 Aug 12 at 2:50 pm
Combet talking to the Greens: cap-in-hand over cap-and-trade.

H B Bear

28 Aug 12 at 2:50 pm
Those that are sent to Nauru will protest, go on hunger strikes, injure themselves etc etc and the Gillard government will buckle under the pressure from human rights activists and the UN. She just doesn’t have the courage of her convictions. Hell, she has no convictions except to save her own skin.

As a radical leftist it has been Gillard’s life long belief that asylum seekers should be processed on shore and in the community.

A a proud Fabian and fellow traveller with Tony Blair it is part of her platform, as it was part of his, to encourage mass immigration from the least compatible cultures to break the back of the existing mono culture.

It won’t work in this country but she’s nothing if not unimaginative.

twostix

28 Aug 12 at 2:50 pm
I don’t bother much these days but that’s now two debates I’ve had with Monty in as many weeks.

The first ended with the famous:

The Australian people elected her as PM …

The general public don’t elect a PM, CL.

Today’s ends with Monty the Churchill and Hawke aficonado accidentally arguiing that both men should have been sacked.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 2:51 pm
Well alright, 70%.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 2:51 pm
Twin failures today from Gillard on carbon dioxide and borders.

What a doofus.

I was confident that the latest Yeti sighting would prove to be false.

As expected, Australia’s most incompetent government managed to turn it around by reminding voters of their greatest failures.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 2:51 pm
Alcohol is not “medication”.
Damn, there goes my excuse.

SteveC

28 Aug 12 at 2:52 pm
As opposed to Howard who approved 90% of Nauru inmates as refugees?

90% of the three boat loads a year of genuine refugees that ran the gauntlet before Gillard dismantled it.

Really crossed the Rubicon haven’t you m0nt? Fully sold your soul.

twostix

28 Aug 12 at 2:53 pm
Well alright, 70%.

No. 43% were settled in Australia.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 2:53 pm
Swan lied.

Monty at 11.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 2:54 pm
No. 43% were settled in Australia.

70% were approved as refugees, though, which is what I was talking about.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 2:55 pm
Will he drool over the next Labor leader?

Yes, he’ll also damn and denounce Gillard the moment that she’s replaced.

twostix

28 Aug 12 at 2:55 pm
The Gillard government is surrounded by failure – it’s just a question of which one has risen to the top.

Still to come – HSU charges for Thomo and Williamson, NBN costs and delays and the December mid-year Budget review which will see the Goose’s imaginary surplus disappear like the puff of smoke it always was.

H B Bear

28 Aug 12 at 2:56 pm
70% were approved as refugees, though, which is what I was talking about.

yes, 43% here and 27% overseas.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 2:57 pm
Dover @1.01pm

But do continue with the ugliness.

No.

Sneaky and mean, Dover and no one pulled you up on it? Or maybe I was the only one who fell for it lol

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 3:00 pm
Appalling stuff by Dover.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 3:04 pm
This is a good day for the Coalition my friends…

Labor cops all the political heat for the carbon tax but loses the future revenue to pay for its waste. Meanwhile, repealing the tax has become that much easier for Abbott to manage and sell both before and after the election.

Sleetmute

28 Aug 12 at 3:06 pm
See, Dover’s mixing with the wrong types. Led him astray and then they stand there, all innocent-like, and admonish the poor angel.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 3:08 pm
HE’S a man’s man and Tony Abbott wants you to know one thing about this photograph. He was not having a pedicure.

The Liberal leader is captured in this image having a foot massage – in China.

The photograph was taken by the West Australian secretary of the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union Steve McCartney who bumped into him in Beijing.

Mr McCartney posted the photograph on the social networking website Twitter today.

“Bumped into Tony Abbott getting a pedicure, while I was on holiday in China,’’ he said in his post.

Mr McCratney later said the photograph was taken at the Silk Market in Beijing

“I get this SMS from one of my daughters saying he was up there, getting a pedicure,’’ he said.

“He looked like he was practising to be emperor of Australia. I just thought it was ironic. He’s outsourced his massage to China and he’s getting it done there.”

Well, that’s it! I’m not voting for Abbott now that I know he was having a pedicure or massage. Instead I’m going to vote for the hysterical party that gets its funding from corrupt unions whose officials post mealy-mouthed pics of Abbott on twitter.

Is that all they’ve got on him? Was this the career demolishing secret SFB was on about?

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 3:15 pm
Per Michael Smith News -

Letter to R. Blewitt on 18 Mar requesting deposit payment to occur explicitly by Bank Cheque. Letter from Slater & Gordon’s Olive Brosnahan.

Cheque drawn from AWU Workplace Reform Association on 18 Mar (not Bank Cheque).

Sale contract signed 22 Mar by Bruce Wilson with Power of Attorney for Blewitt. Witness to Bruce Wilson signature looks to be from one Olive Brosnahan.

Cheque deposited to Slater & Gordon Trust Account 22 Mar.

Who is Slater & Gordon’s Olive Brosnahan? She is the one requesting deposit to be explicitly by Bank Cheque and then witnessing execution of sale contract wherein cheque is clearly not what she required?

Rousie

28 Aug 12 at 3:20 pm
The Liberal leader is captured in this image having a foot massage – in China.

Those foot massages in China can be close to torture, they used it in The Amazing Race a few years back and the contestents could not walk after the experience.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 3:27 pm
Speaking of things that won’t work – either first or second try: the stupid carbon pricing arrangements are in absolute tatters now.

blogstrop

28 Aug 12 at 3:29 pm
I had a foot massage while in Singapore airport waiting for a connecting flight. Lovely place it was, very professional set-up and the masseur was Chinese and 100yo if she was a day. But by God did she hurt!! Told me to suck it up as it was good for me, at least that’s what I think she said in Cantonese.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 3:31 pm
Speaking of things that won’t work – either first or second try: the stupid carbon pricing arrangements are in absolute tatters now.

Isn’t the compensation which was already paid out based upon $23 per tonne?

What is Labor going to do if they get re-elected with the price at $10 per tonne?

Wait a minute…something doesn’t add up here…

Token

28 Aug 12 at 3:33 pm
A SENIOR union official who is suing Opposition leader Tony Abbott for allegedly implying he is a union thug deliberately drove his car at a building site manager following a violent protest in Melbourne this morning, a court has heard.

CFMEU assistant secretary John Setka also allegedly hurled abuse at Grocon employees during a protest in Melbourne where construction workers trampled on police officers.

Yep. Back to the 80s.

Now what was some tart at the Courier mail reflecting upon this morning? Oh yeah:

What separates the fruit loops and misogynists on the lunar Right, though – those who source their views from the ilk of Pickering, Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones – is the level of violent anger and overt incitements to violence.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 3:34 pm
I had one of those agonising foot massages in Hong Kong. Up a flight of rickety stairs, lots of foot diagrams in Chinese on the walls, little man doing my feet said he didn’t really take much notice of them.

“I am construction worker, not Confucius” he told me. “I make base for your standing”.

Fifty Shades of Grey for the feet.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

28 Aug 12 at 3:37 pm
And now for something completely different. Surprising result but does cast light on why so many other variables do not match the obesity scales. The other big ones may well be our use of antibiotics and changes in gut flora. This is becoming very interesting because the boundaries between us and them is becoming blurred. We need these bugs but are killing them, in fact it is now widely accepted that our germophobia is at least in part responsible for the big spikes in allergies and other immunological conditions. So next time someone tells you “calories in, calories out” tell them to stop being ignorant.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2012/08/27/the-hidden-truths-about-calories/

The Hidden Truths about Calories

Dead Soul

28 Aug 12 at 3:41 pm
You guys have got to watch this Michael Smith last night on the AWU Scandal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_J5bh3KWok&feature=share

Max

28 Aug 12 at 3:45 pm
Told me to suck it up as it was good for me, at least that’s what I think she said in Cantonese.

Hope it wasn’t like these ladies Gab .

Splatacrobat

28 Aug 12 at 3:49 pm
lol, Splat.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 3:51 pm
Thanks for posting that article, John.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 3:52 pm
Yes, Dead Soul. Absolutely fascinating Canadian piece on ABC last night about gut flora and late onset autism in toddlers. Very good longitudinal case study video back up, showing before (toe walking well caught) and after (improvement apparent) and long term outcome at 19 years. Main protagonists shown were a researching worried mum and a 90 year old scientist still going strong. Thus it was a great human interest paradigm-shift story happening on the margins of established science, as well as introducing some the interesting science around a particular gut organism, and indicating the growing importance of this field.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

28 Aug 12 at 3:53 pm
I need to think about this Abbott foot massage thing. Clearly a foot massage is so distasteful that Abbott cannot become PM. It is equally clear he should have taken Craig Thompson’s cue and had a far more intimate massage using someone else’s money. Then Abbott would have the ‘full support’ of the current PM.

There, now it is clear. I hope that has been helpful to others.

dianeh

28 Aug 12 at 3:53 pm
72% of Australians must be dumb.

Nanuestalker

28 Aug 12 at 3:53 pm
Brilliant article DS, thanks.

.

28 Aug 12 at 3:53 pm
Rousie

Wait, wait, wait.

The cheque is noted on the ledger as **DDep** which looks a hell of a lot like someone deliberately falsified the entry to indicate Direct Deposit rather than CHQ.

Is this a smoking gun?

DaveF

28 Aug 12 at 3:54 pm
And furthermore the cheque was dated the 18th of March (Thursday) and banked on the 22nd (Monday).

So the theory about *someone* spending the weekend with the crook and popping the cheque into her handbag as she left the love shack is starting to look better.

DaveF

28 Aug 12 at 3:58 pm
72% of Australians must be dumb.

Wow, and they didn’t mention the debt and umemployment level when conducting the survey. Strange that.
________________________________
Thanks, Dead Soul, your last couple of posts have been great. I look forward to reading them after the tin lids have popped off to bed.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 4:00 pm
Grocon’s executive project manager Frank Bortoletto went outside and told Mr Setka he was in contravention of court orders which were posted on the building site fences.

“He then said that we don’t care about such things and then began to verbally abuse Mr Bortoletto,” Mr McAdam told the court

These are the type of people directly in control of the Labor party, it’s policies and who sits in parliament representing it.

M0nty and the left of course fully endorse this lawlessness. Despite the fact that m0nty wouldn’t dare show his face at one of those rallies – being a member of the viciously non-union IT sector and all.

twostix

28 Aug 12 at 4:00 pm
“72% of Australians must be dumb.”

no, it’s a novelty thing and most people in Aust don’t know who Romney is but do know Obama.

candy

28 Aug 12 at 4:02 pm
Lizzie, so that show on Autism is worth watching then? I have taped it to watch later as I didnt get control of the remote last night. I am very interested, as I have my own special little boy, and am always looking for ways to improve his life for him.

dianeh

28 Aug 12 at 4:03 pm
Very interesting video/talk, Max @3.45pm. haven’t listened all the way through just yet, but wow! Wilson has a six-month old child. No wonder he looks bedraggled and exhausted.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 4:08 pm
Sneaky and mean, Dover and no one pulled you up on it? Or maybe I was the only one who fell for it lol

Appalling stuff by Dover.

The cruel beauty of the trick is that you know what is behind the link and yet you open it nevertheless.

dover_beach

28 Aug 12 at 4:09 pm
The cruel beauty of the trick is that you know what is behind the link and yet you open it nevertheless.

No, I didn’t know what was behind the link at all. I just trust you not to be devious and menacing, unlike some

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 4:14 pm
Dianeh, the show was introduced on the ABC with a range of provisos about how this was early days, possible false leads, don’t take too much to heart etc. As actually was appropriate. Nevertheless I thought it was deeply interesting and highly plausible. Science, not the lunatic edge of things. If your little boy is still under three I’d be saying it was essential for you to see it; maybe even if he is older. Take advice, but a course of Vancomycin would be my choice for my child showing signs of late onset autism as a toddler. I’d certainly be calling for some specialised gut pathology work ups to be done and having discussion with other parents and trusted medicos.

After a trip to Africa I had a year of miserable stomach pains on and off, did a Helicobacter breath test which was negative, finally had a stomach endoscopy and was shown to have a major Helicobacter infection: quickly solved these days with a specialised course of antibiotics.

Before some rogue Australian scientists got to work and got the Nobel Prize for their findings, I would have been told I had ulcers and needed my head examined for psych problems or at least told my work was killing me.

Always explore. I so admire the mother in this show.

I’m sure we’re all with you here in wishing you all the best with your little man into the future.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

28 Aug 12 at 4:30 pm
The ABC TV morning news crew, Tim & Carina, were so enjoying this morning the idea of the Republican convention in Florida being ruined by a hurricane, particularly as they were able to conjure up the Katrina genie – where bad ol’ GWB was said by all the lefty media to “not look caring enough”. They had a guest media person on too, and she obligingly threw into the conversational mix the term “bad juju” for the Republicans, reinforcing the zombie leftist impression I already had.

blogstrop

28 Aug 12 at 4:38 pm
What is Labor going to do if they get re-elected with the price at $10 per tonne?

I think that’s your problem right there. They’re not planning on being re-elected. Let’s just say they’re using WWII Soviet tactics, damn the consequences.

Hilariously, though, we are now going to end up with a carbon tax that will meet the following criteria:

- Damage the economy, in particular small business
- Be massively rorted due to the huge amount of dodgy permits floating around on the world market.
- not decrease the emission of CO2 one iota.

But at least we’re “doing something”.

Quentin George

28 Aug 12 at 5:06 pm
If ‘NSB’ is the supervising partner on the S&G Gen Ledger, then who is ‘NOB’ – it appears as ‘Sol’ – I assume solicitor, and again next to ‘W/O $747.80 against NOB Union’.

S&G Ledger Kerr St settlement

If NSB is Nick Styant-Brown then no wonder he leaked the client transcript. If he was the partner who managed the client, no wonder he was cranky at losing a major client by the actions of a salaried partner helping her boyfriend shaft the union.

brc

28 Aug 12 at 5:06 pm
..then who is ‘NOB’

That would be any male partner at S&G.

JC

28 Aug 12 at 5:09 pm
A SENIOR union official who is suing Opposition leader Tony Abbott for allegedly implying he is a union thug deliberately drove his car at a building site manager…

Ahahahahahahahaha.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 5:09 pm
Pollster Frank Lunz talking to undecided voters.

I love his fashion sense.

JC

28 Aug 12 at 5:27 pm
Anyway a few things from Lunz’s focus group meet about the undecideds, which are around 8% in the election.

They are appear to be fucking lunatics. However the good news is that they seem to supporting the Romster.

The bad news. These loons will decide the election.

Here in the author’s own words.

The bad news is that these people are going to determine the election.

The good news? The good news is that they are for Mitt. That’s right, ladies and gentlemen. If Luntz picks his swing-voter focus groups as carefully as he claims, Romney/Ryan has this whole thing sewn up. When asked to describe Romney in one word, they said things like “stiff,” “experienced,” “educated,” “accomplished,” “articulate,” “untrustworthy,” “a leader,” “successful,” “privileged,” “question-mark,” and “ethical.” A mixed bag, right? Sure, but look at what they call Obama: “narcissist,” “polarizing,” “trying,” “having hope,” “incapable,” “lost,” “polarizing,” “socialist” (!), and most damning of all, “disappointing.”

Starker still: Almost all of them voted for Obama in 2008. Almost none of them are committed to doing it again.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/315094/meet-deciders-daniel-foster

JC

28 Aug 12 at 5:30 pm
Reggie Love talks about … well the president.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/27/reggie-love-obama-leads-like-he-plays/

JC

28 Aug 12 at 5:33 pm
who is ‘NOB’

Probably Olive Brosnahan (see Rousie @3.20) the conveyancer. Most likely not a solicitor, despite the code. That code really means “file operator”, the person actually doing the work, whether or not a solicitor.

‘W/O $747.80 against NOB Union’ probably means that the balance fees of $747.80 were written off against “business development” for the Union but NOB was still credited with having done the work. Fairly normal practice to still credit the worker (who are all on KPIs) otherwise they start ducking the freebie jobs.

Cato the Elder

28 Aug 12 at 5:59 pm
Nicely said, Lizzie (2:37 pm).

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 6:09 pm
“In fact the Southern Ocean IS warming, and faster than the global trend.”

statements like that always make me want a nice cup of hot tea.

I don’t know why.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 6:19 pm
Even the Courier Mail ridicules the disgrace that is Fran Kelly.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 6:38 pm
LOL
apparently you can download Gillard saying over and over “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead” as a ring tone for your phone, from the Lib site. Hilarious.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 6:46 pm
Gab, you are a font of the most vital information. There coulf be nothing more fun than getting that…off I go now

WhaleHunt Fun

28 Aug 12 at 6:49 pm
I have it.
I will be a social pariah no more.
The amoebic dysentry I accidentally infected people at work with will be forgiven when they hear this.

WhaleHunt Fun

28 Aug 12 at 6:52 pm
Monster
blockquote>
I’m not sure but can’t anyone in any job including police, miners, drivers, people in health profession, etc take antidepressants, so why not a cabinet minister?

Like I said, it’s a personal belief of mine, I wouldn’t necessarily advocate for it being public policy. I don’t like the thought of a medicated person’s finger being on The Button.

What button, you drama queen. He’s opposition finance spokesmen FFS.

JC

28 Aug 12 at 6:54 pm
Hey, remember ‘peace’ activist Rachel Corrie?

More specifically, do you remember the Corrie debates?

Endless affairs, they were, with lefties hailing her as a heroin victim of the brutal Israeli army.

Yeah, well…

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 6:57 pm
One of the best screen names ever was: Rachel Corrie’s Flatmate.

Infidel Tiger

28 Aug 12 at 7:07 pm
My God, it used to be insane.

Lefties even pushed boycotts of Caterpillar.

Like it was their fault that she got squashed.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 7:10 pm
One of the best screen names ever was: Rachel Corrie’s Flatmate

Saint Pancake was another one.

Carpe Jugulum

28 Aug 12 at 7:11 pm
Graeme never disappoints

http://graemebird.wordpress.com/2012/08/27/neil-armstrong-will-not-be-missed/

Armstrong is not to be mourned or honoured. He was simply a soldier. One who obeyed orders. But unlike soldiers that we might actually admire he was never really at risk, he was undoubtedly the cause of many civilian deaths, he came home, and died of natural causes, having never been allowed to tell anyone that the entire Apollo program was an unbelievable racket …

What we do know for an absolute fact is that Armstrong did not go to the moon in 1969. And since the scenario where he did go to the moon (that I have just outlined) ….. seems pretty unlikely we have near-certainty that he never went there at all.

Whereas Armstrong is not to be mourned or admired, its not the case that he ought to be blamed too much for living a lie for so many decades. These are not nice people calling the shots. He would have been dead as John Lennon if he was so much as suspected of wanting to spill the beans.

jtfsoon

28 Aug 12 at 7:11 pm
World IQ went up a bit.

WhaleHunt Fun

28 Aug 12 at 7:11 pm
Friend of mine (now deceased) worked on reflecting a laser of the reflectors on the part of the Lunar module that stayed behinds so they could measure the distance to the moon within a couple centimetres. He had no uncertainty that the bloody thing landed. Either that or some alien left a makeup mirror on the surface.

WhaleHunt Fun

28 Aug 12 at 7:15 pm
God not Rachel again,the plays, the musicals,the Nobels,

Tal

28 Aug 12 at 7:16 pm
True Jase he never disappoints

Tal

28 Aug 12 at 7:18 pm
Graeme’s right. After Apollo 17, some 300,000 people who had been involved with the “moon landings” {nudge, wink} NASA finally realised they just couldn’t be sure people would keep The Secret. And that’s why there’s been no more moon landings since.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 7:20 pm
Thanks for clearing that up Gab

Tal

28 Aug 12 at 7:24 pm
Abbott:

No lesser person than the former Labor Treasurer of Queensland Keith DeLacy said on the weekend that the carbon tax is an act of collective insanity. It hurts jobs, it’s hurts families under enormous cost of living pressure. It is bad for our country because it hits us but it doesn’t hit our competitors. That’s why the smartest thing government can do, if it wants to make our companies more competitive and our families feel more secure, is axe the tax. It’s also emblematic of everything that’s wrong with the current government: great big new tax, great big new bureaucracy, great big new slush fund, great big new handouts. This is typical of Labor’s contemporary style. It’s one of the reasons why Labor governments are getting booted out right around our country, because the public understand that you just can’t keep going living beyond your means, you just can’t keep going endlessly burdening our economy, the productive parts of our economy, with more and more costs.

From a presser he did this morning at a Rockhampton transport company. Also there was Brian Smith, CEO of Rocky’s Transport, who looked and sounded like your average working truckie:

G’day guys. Look, I’m not as polished as Tony, so I have to read off some notes, but I needed to get this off my chest. First of all, I’m not into bashing federal Labor. My father voted Labor all his life and I have the utmost respect for his beliefs and what Labor used to stand for. I myself voted Labor up until the second term of the Howard Government, based on what I believed Labor once stood for. It was a fair go for all.

Unfortunately, due to the current situation that exists in the federal Parliament, this Labor government has shown it’s only too willing to compromise its beliefs to appease a small group of independents and minority parties to maintain power at all costs. They have been hijacked by an intellectual arrogance and ideology that will be eventually found out to be irrelevant to this country’s future. It’s all about spin, 24-hour news cycle and no real substance.

Wayne Swan’s assertion in the recent days about the carbon has been introduced and the sky hasn’t fallen – we’ve had a carbon tax for 60 days and anyone with half a brain is going to know that it’s going to take five to 10 years to see the real impact of this carbon tax. If our trading partners adopted similar legislation, then it would make some sense. However, all this legislation is going to do, I believe, is render Australian business uncompetitive.

If the carbon tax, as well as the Government’s agenda in its entirety has the impact on Australia and its mining and manufacturing sectors, as I suspect it will, we will just keep exporting jobs offshore and before we know it, it’s going to be too late. That’s all I’ve got to say.

Good stuff, Tone.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 7:24 pm
No, it is because they moon landings left an infection behind that turned the cheese rancid. It rotted away and there now is no moon. What you see in the sky at night is now just a hologram.

The story that they did not actually land is just a cover storey for the real truth which is they destoyed the moon due to not washing their hands after they went to the loo.

WhaleHunt Fun

28 Aug 12 at 7:26 pm
Birdie.

JC

28 Aug 12 at 7:26 pm
It’s almost like you’re Graeme’s evil twin, Whale. The Anti-Bird.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 7:27 pm
I understand about 12 or more astronauts have walked on the moon so it’s all a lie the whole shooting match?

candy

28 Aug 12 at 7:30 pm
Perhaps he has removed his tinfoil hat and the CIA brain control waves have taken him over. I am just an avatar created by a ICA operative in the US beaming control signals into Graeme’s mind.

They salterd a letter to him with a virus that causes dandruff which caused his head to itch so that he scratched it, thereby making the foil hat fall off. He then became a puupet which we now control and use to create me

Bwa ha ha ha

WhaleHunt Fun

28 Aug 12 at 7:32 pm
Show some fucking respect. Rachel Corrie’s death is a tragedy not a joking matter. Her death is the direct result of the corruption of young minds by organisations like Amnesty International whose doctrine is taught in schools.Where do you think protesters such as those found Max Brenners protests are nurtured. That could be my or your daughter/son.

Nanuestalker

28 Aug 12 at 7:34 pm
Candy if you do not believe my theory, consider this: why are Men’s loos always so much more foul smelling than the Ladies loo? Lack of personal hygeine. And it is that which caused the moon to become infected. After all you never saw any ladies on the moon. THey would have kept it neat and clean

WhaleHunt Fun

28 Aug 12 at 7:36 pm
Huh??

Rachel Corrie was an adult who made her own decisions, not some 5 year old kid.

jtfsoon

28 Aug 12 at 7:36 pm
I understand about 12 or more astronauts have walked on the moon so it’s all a lie the whole shooting match?

Yep. According to the birdmeister.

JC

28 Aug 12 at 7:36 pm
That could be my or your daughter/son.

I’d go out back to the ladies toilets and hang myself with a necktie.

.

28 Aug 12 at 7:37 pm
Who’s Rachael Corrie?

JC

28 Aug 12 at 7:37 pm
Rachel Aliene Corrie (April 10, 1979 – March 16, 2003) was an American member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM). She died while attempting to intervene in the demolition of a Palestinian home in Gaza.[1] Some witnesses state that she was caught underneath a bulldozer, while the IDF investigation reported that she died after being struck by falling debris.[1][2][3] Furthermore, while the investigation reported that the driver of the bulldozer could not see her, witnesses maintain that there was nothing to obscure the driver’s view.

Oh her. Yea well don’t stand in front of a fucking bulldozer while it’s operational in a fucking warzone. You’re asking for trouble. I guess she was flat out for the palis, huh?

JC

28 Aug 12 at 7:40 pm
Guy has a bulldozer, and people were firing rockets at his family, he would not care less who got hurt. You stand in front of the property of people rocketing his home, you would be lucky if he did not go out of his way to run you down.

WhaleHunt Fun

28 Aug 12 at 7:49 pm
Even the Courier Mail ridicules the disgrace that is Fran Kelly.

“Some Labor people say Tony Abbott can’t take direction from women, especially strong, capable women,” declared Kelly to Bishop.
Capable women had now been joined by strong women as the cause of Abbott’s “discomfort”.
Did Kelly genuinely expect the Deputy Leader of the Opposition to reveal her leader had a problem dealing with women and to crumble in the face of Kelly’s assertion that “some Labor people” said so?
Bishop, naturally, replied that she saw the accusations as part of a Labor smear campaign. Her answer to Kelly’s assertions was “No”.

She should have said “If Tony ever meets a capable Labor woman I’ll give you my answer”.

Splatacrobat

28 Aug 12 at 7:57 pm
Rachel Corrie was a misguided western yoof in search of a righteous political thrill, but she had more guts than the entire communist Greenfilth cabal in Canberra which has systemically gone about the strangulation of the Australian economy.

Tom

28 Aug 12 at 7:58 pm
No doubt Frannie will jump on Abbott’s “This is a dog of a tax.” as a coded insult.

lotocoti

28 Aug 12 at 8:02 pm
I guess she was flat out for the palis, huh?

Flat chat is a leftist specialty.

blogstrop

28 Aug 12 at 8:03 pm
lol, lotocoti. Pity he didn’t say it was a cow of a tax.

I like how he mentioned the great big slush fund.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 8:05 pm
I see Ross Garnauts old gold mine in PNG is having a bit of trouble.
But what he said back in 2010 deserves to be repeated;

Professor Garnaut conceded that developing resources projects created challenges for miners weighing up the economic benefits and environmental costs. ”Mining inevitably generates waste and tailings,” he said.

He gets a bit techy when being proved a hypocrite
.

Jumpnmcar

28 Aug 12 at 8:07 pm
JC, there was a poster called ‘Rachel Corries Flatmate’ who used to celebrate every 16 mar as a day for pizza, flounder and pancakes. He used to come up with some doozies IIRC

Mk50 of Brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 8:18 pm
Rachel Corrie was an adult who made her own decisions, not some 5 year old kid.

Thats my point, she was so nutured that she thought the meaning of her middle class education was defending homes in Gaza from bulldozers. The driver / Israeli army didn’t cause her death, those who did make her a martyr for their cause and have no remorse that they caused her death. If she was alive today perhaps she would realise that she was “young & naive”.

Nanuestalker

28 Aug 12 at 8:25 pm
Great article Dead Soul. Please keep them coming.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 8:26 pm
Good to know that people believe that peaceful protestors should be summarily executed and then made fun of because she was ‘flattened’ by a bulldozer.

Who said that? Please provide evidence.

Token

28 Aug 12 at 8:27 pm
Good to know that people believe that peaceful protestors should be summarily executed and then made fun of because she was ‘flattened’ by a bulldozer.

Bad things happen when one joins a cult.

Jumpnmcar

28 Aug 12 at 8:28 pm
Piss off julius.

blogstrop

28 Aug 12 at 8:30 pm
I’d go out back to the ladies toilets and hang myself with a necktie.

… or you could take seriously the fact that this left-wing shit is being taught in schools.

Nanuestalker

28 Aug 12 at 8:31 pm
Good to know that people believe that peaceful protestors should be summarily executed and then made fun of because she was ‘flattened’ by a bulldozer.

Why, Token, Julius said that.

he’s the only one who has, and he’s delighted that Corrie died.

Check out what he says for proof.

He says “Good to know that people believe …”

That’s highly approving, is it not? So he thinks it “good” that people think she got crushed. It’s ‘Good to know…’!

He gilds the lily a bit by wanting protesters to be summarily executed and “then made fun of”.

But it’s a typically totalitarianist view.

And he has not given us enough info to known whether he’s a national socialist or an international socialist, but cripes, does he purely hate arabs and pro-pallie protesters!

Mk50 of Brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 8:33 pm
Julius,have an early night love
Nanu,I get where you’re coming from but no-one remembers the Jewish girls called Rachel that were killed …I think that’s important

Tal

28 Aug 12 at 8:35 pm
Brendan O’Neill on the beatification of Rachel Corrie:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100178241/the-secular-beatification-of-rachel-corrie-sums-up-everything-that-is-wrong-with-modern-solidarity-with-palestine/

Viva

28 Aug 12 at 8:38 pm
Good to know that people believe that peaceful protestors should be summarily executed and then made fun of because she was ‘flattened’ by a bulldozer.

If you die jumping off a building we don’t blame the guy who built the footpath.

Infidel Tiger

28 Aug 12 at 8:38 pm
Tal

or the Fogel Family.

Site is non-graphic but has links with imagery of the atrocity.

Mk50 of Brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 8:39 pm
“or you could take seriously the fact that this left-wing shit is being taught in schools.”

Perhaps her parents also brought her up on certain philosophies too. I don’t think schools can be entirely responsible.

candy

28 Aug 12 at 8:39 pm
Tal

Or the Hatuel family

Mk50 of Brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 8:40 pm
Having said that, I avoid Parent/Teacher meetings now (Mrs. Nanu goes)because I end up losing it with some of teachers because of the shit peddled as Civics etc.

Nanuestalker

28 Aug 12 at 8:40 pm
Tal

or the Maalot massacre

Mk50 of Brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 8:42 pm
Rabz, what news from the mole? Election before Christmas?

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 8:44 pm
“Decked out in Arafat-style keffiyehs (a PC form of blacking up), and possessed of a conviction that it falls to white-skinned, iPhone-armed westerners to expose Israel’s “genocidal” crimes to the world media … ”
Well spotted, Viva.

blogstrop

28 Aug 12 at 8:44 pm
Mk…you know what the great thing about the Internet is…… that sort of stuff is captured forever,no -one can say it didn’t happen

Tal

28 Aug 12 at 8:47 pm
And we are supposed to be all weepy over some brain-washed twink too thick to get out of the way of an armoured bulldozer?

Blade going up and down, lots of dust, poor vis (I mean, what driver expects a person to stand in front of the damned thing?) and a high workload.

Hmm.

Perhaps, just perhaps, Saint Pancake should have realised that this might breach OH&S guidelines, hmm?

And it is a tragedy she was killed. The driver was traumatised, her family lost a daughter, and even dullards mostly grow out of such far-left extremist views as those she held.

Hell, I did.

Mk50 of Brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 8:49 pm
Good link Viva, thanks.

Clearly demonstrates the innate racism of the left, doesn’t it?

Mk50 of Brisbane

28 Aug 12 at 8:54 pm
The ruling will not please Corrie’s supporters

I wouldn’t call them supporters, users is a better term. The court’s ruling is an even better result for their “cause”.

Nanuestalker

28 Aug 12 at 8:55 pm
Graeme never disappoints

Doesn’t bird know that Armstrong had a memory implant à la Total Recall?

Neil wasn’t consciously lying.

He honestly did believe that he went to the moon.

JamesK

28 Aug 12 at 8:56 pm
Winston @12.36, Speaking of that idiotic waste of money, here’s what one of my facebook mates from Qld thinks about it:

But the best one? The best one, the one that REALLY made me melt down was the article that concerned those fcking Labor ‘tards, who spent-wait for it-$684,000 on a fcking stone egg monument!!! In a place where nobody but fcking experienced bush-walkers can fcking see it!!!!!!!!!!. They paid $330,000 for a fcking Pom to come out and build the fcking thing, and a further $50,000 to airlift in the fcking rocks for the c–ting thing!!!!!
FCK!!!!!edited for language

nilk

28 Aug 12 at 8:56 pm
Nanu

Millions of people get taught crap (I’m sceptical that you actually get taught in schools to stand in front of a bulldozer though).

Look, it is sad that Corrie died for a hopeless cause. She did not strike me as evil so I am not overjoyed by that. However to claim that somehow her ‘teachers’ are responsible for her going there when she is a full grown adult is absurd.

jtfsoon

28 Aug 12 at 8:57 pm
Imagine how Neil must feel now in Heaven?

He realises that he unknowingly perpetrated the greatest fraud in history.

A puppet on strings controlled by Jewish bankers.

I’m jest sayin’

JamesK

28 Aug 12 at 8:59 pm
Bird:

http://graemebird.wordpress.com/2012/08/27/neil-armstrong-will-not-be-missed/#comment-40193

And I went to Catallaxy to support the free society? What the fuck was I thinking. Still Jason was running things then and it was at least an open mini-society of sorts … and looked like it had potential.

Now he appreciates me … Before he made my life a living hell …

jtfsoon

28 Aug 12 at 9:02 pm
… or you could take seriously the fact that this left-wing shit is being taught in schools.

What state Nanue?

In NSW the “Human Society and It’s Environment” module is pure and raw inner city university faculty lounge politics.

“Survival Day” is being pushed in primary school as part of the curriculmn. They teach a bit of market theory but it’s is of the “needs / wants / systems / centrally planned” bent and is only there to feed directly into the “living sustainably” propaganda – I’m talking primary school here.

Human rights are granted and secured by the UN and Nelson Mandela is just as important to democracy in Australia as the Magna Carta was.

Narrative building.

Very ugly.

twostix

28 Aug 12 at 9:03 pm
Cato @5:59

You’re right. Olivia Brosnahan was still listed as a paralegal a decade later in conveyancing at Kenna Teasdale Lawyers, though finished with them some time after 2006. So not a solicitor and obviously doing whatever the boss asks.

Link

NSB is responsible partner for the trust fund. So there is someone between NSB & OB instructing yes?

Rousie

28 Aug 12 at 9:08 pm
I avoid Parent/Teacher meetings now (Mrs. Nanu goes) because I end up losing it with some of teachers

Funny.

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 9:09 pm
Jason, am I still in his bad books?

dover_beach

28 Aug 12 at 9:11 pm
what news from the mole? Election before Christmas?

Yes, yes, I’ll hit the burrow shortly for some gems…

Rabz

28 Aug 12 at 9:11 pm
SUSPENSION

Unfortunately I have been suspended again from Facebook. This time for 7 days over an article I wrote.

I cannot determine what article.

Many cartoons have also been deleted without notice or explanation.

You think it’s bad now? What till the Finkelstein Media & Blog restrictions come in place at the end of this year – assuming of course Conroy doesn’t have his internet filter in place beforehand.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 9:14 pm
oops…the above from Pickering.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 9:15 pm
Jason – Of coarse I’m not saying she doesn’t have responsibily as an adult or that if she had the proper teaching it wouldn’t have happened.

I’m suggesting that schools have become saturated with left-wing ideology.

[ Disclosure: paranoia about what your kids are taught comes with parenthood ]

Nanuestalker

28 Aug 12 at 9:15 pm
No mention of you, DB

jtfsoon

28 Aug 12 at 9:15 pm
Now he appreciates me … Before he made my life a living hell …

very funny! Strangly I miss Bird!

Nanuestalker

28 Aug 12 at 9:19 pm
JC yesterday:

SteveC , Doucheballs… if it was “reverting” from a fixed to floating price they would issue credits right now. Instead it just a tax.

Herald Sun, today:

Peak lobby groups immediately turned their focus to the fact they still have to pay the $23-a-tonne, and rising, carbon tax for the next three years.

But during that period they can now buy EU permits that are currently trading at $10 a tonne.

If the European price rises, as expected by most analysts, they can profit post-2015. Either way, there are opportunities for hedging.

Climate Change Minister Greg Combet points out there is another opportunity for business too.

Under Tuesday’s deal, companies can meet 12.5 per cent of their liability through low-cost Kyoto credits which are generated via emission-reduction projects in developing countries.

SteveC

28 Aug 12 at 9:20 pm
twostix -

Victoria, but pick a state any state and you get the same.

Nanuestalker

28 Aug 12 at 9:22 pm
Good to know that people believe that peaceful protestors should be summarily executed and then made fun of because she was ‘flattened’ by a bulldozer.

Shut up Julius you annoying dropkick. Yes, there are funny ways to go.

JC

28 Aug 12 at 9:27 pm
In NSW the “Human Society and It’s Environment” module is pure and raw inner city university faculty lounge politics.

“Survival Day” is being pushed in primary school as part of the curriculmn. They teach a bit of market theory but it’s is of the “needs / wants / systems / centrally planned” bent and is only there to feed directly into the “living sustainably” propaganda – I’m talking primary school here.

Don’t worry, all that PC stuff that riddles the school curriculum will get thrown out when the Liberals come to power in NSW.

Oh, wait a moment…

dd

28 Aug 12 at 9:28 pm
“Bumped into Tony Abbott getting a pedicure, while I was on holiday in China,’’ he said in his post.

Mr McCratney later said the photograph was taken at the Silk Market in Beijing

“I get this SMS from one of my daughters saying he was up there, getting a pedicure,’’ he said.

So he stalked Tony, did he? Got the sms that Abbott was around and had to go check him out? LOL

nilk

28 Aug 12 at 9:29 pm
Steve C

Fuck it’s hard with some of you lefties. Your stupid blurb simply says that firms can buy credits now for when the price begins to float. So fucking what? It’s a tax now at 23 bucks a ton.

In any event you’d have rocks in your head to buy credits because we all know that entire thing is going to be scuppered after the real government comes in and replaces this phony one.
If you think that comment somehow helps your argument you’re a bigger moron than what I thought.

Go away. Shoo.

JC

28 Aug 12 at 9:33 pm
“So he stalked Tony, did he? Got the sms that Abbott was around and had to go check him out? LOL”

for sure he must have been stalking Tony Abbott, I mean China’s a biggish place, and he “bumped into him”?

candy

28 Aug 12 at 9:35 pm
Don’t worry, all that PC stuff that riddles the school curriculum will get thrown out when the Liberals come to power in NSW.

It’s going to be enshrined nationally in 18 months with the acceptance of Gillard’s commie national curriculum.

The QLD LNP dared raise some noise about it and we saw how that went “oh look at those rednecks dur hur hur”

twostix

28 Aug 12 at 9:36 pm
I really would like to say it, but I’m far too cautious. Okay.. the Kenyan appears to be fucked.

When a poll conducted by the Washington Post with a cooked in +9 Democratic Party advantage fails to give Barack Obama a comfortable lead, you know the nation is now pushing for a one and done scenario for the current president.

Lol…He appears to be in some serious kind of trouble.

I’ll do cartwheels to hear this…

“Good evening. A short while ago I called Governor Romney and congratulated him on his victory…….”

JC

28 Aug 12 at 9:49 pm
It’s going to be enshrined nationally in 18 months with the acceptance of Gillard’s commie national curriculum.

Why have the Liberals rolled over for Gillard on her push to centralise power… and to devalue Federalism, and promote mediocrity and ideology from coast to coast?

Maybe it’s a fear of being called “negative” by journalists.

dd

28 Aug 12 at 10:03 pm
from the new English curriculum in NSW

Sustainability and environment [SE]
The study of English provides students with the skill required to investigate and understand issues of environmental and social sustainability, to communicate information about sustainability, and to advocate action to improve sustainability.
If people now and into the future are to be treated fairly, action to improve sustainability needs to be informed by a worldview of people, places and communities. Both literature and literacy are key elements in the development of each student’s worldview. More sustainable patterns of living are largely shaped by people’s behaviours. English provides an important means of influencing behaviours

In other words, use English to promote “sustainability” (aka Green ideology)

dd

28 Aug 12 at 10:05 pm
I really would like to say it, but I’m far too cautious.

Rubbish JC, you are the least cautious poll pundit on the planet. Your problem is you keep changing your mind. Next week you’ll probably be moaning that the right will be rooned once again.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 10:09 pm
Hi All
The ABC program about autism, can anyone tell me what it was called? Can I find info on the web about it? I need to put my friend onto it, her son’s stepdaughter is a toe walker and has other problems still not sorted out by a paediatrician. (I mentioned this a few months ago.)

kae

28 Aug 12 at 10:10 pm
Hardly anyone votes in america so whatever the result there won’t be a popularly elected President.

It’s based on the 10 year census, you nincompoop so it does have a strong correlation to the popular will.

And what a bore of an election. A convention to showcase their families!

That’s because you don’t get it and you’re a sad leftwinger. A very sad one.

Hardly anyone is interested in it, and for good reason.

lol. you’re a fucking moron.

JC

28 Aug 12 at 10:11 pm
from the new science curriculum for NSW, stage 4 goals include the following. The student will be able to:

4.4.1 explains the impact of innovation and emerging technologies on society and the environment 4.6.2 identifies and explains ethical, social, environmental and sustainability considerations related to design projects

an overall goal of the curriculum

The syllabus provides opportunities for students to engage with scientific, technological or societal impacts on the Natural Environment and the Made Environment through activities such as:
•
considering the importance of resource conservation
•
describing how scientific and technological knowledge helps people understand the importance of recycling and the development of sustainable practices and technologies.

dd

28 Aug 12 at 10:14 pm
Rubbish JC, you are the least cautious poll pundit on the planet.

Shut up monster.

Your problem is you keep changing your mind.

If circumstances, as I see them change, I change my mind and happily will continue to do so, Monst. I have no ego like that.

If I were incautious I wouldn’t be changing my view. I’d just stick with an opinion. You have this shit backwards.

Next week you’ll probably be moaning that the right will be rooned once again.

If the right does something wrong which I perceive to be a stupid and life threatening I will.

JC

28 Aug 12 at 10:16 pm
Kae I think it was the Four Corners “Autism Enigma“

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 10:19 pm
Meanwhile Newman has ‘slid back’ on job cuts in Queensland.

From 20k plus to under 15k.

He’ll get to 20K in no time. Watch.

Moreover, half the increases in public servants under Labor were in Health and that was because there was a huge public demand for better health services.

Go oh, then he’ll take the meat axe to other areas. Cuts are cuts. They’re all good.

No, I don’t get ma and pa snoozefests posing as political campaigns!

I’ll let you watch the paint dry.

Then stop fucking talking about how bored you are with the US elections as no one gives a rats either way, doofus. You grandstanding sanctimonious twit.

JC

28 Aug 12 at 10:19 pm
In other words, use English to promote “sustainability” (aka Green ideology)

HSIE pushes “Social Justice” and “Sustainability” at every level. It also inserts aboriginal “perspective” into every component no matter how obtuse and goes as far as holding pre settler aboriginal “nations” up as the diamond standard of “sustainability” (seriously).

Of course it makes no mention of how those “nations” achieved their perfectly “sustainable” societies – I assume those facts are racist.

And then it damns the first fleet arrivals for almost immediately “causing food shortages for the Eora tribe” – so we inadvertantly get an insight into what being a perfectly “sustainabil” society actually means.

I.e The perfectly “sustainable” society couldn’t handle 1200 people arriving on a tiny speck of a vast coast.

twostix

28 Aug 12 at 10:19 pm
I’ll do cartwheels …

Please film & post to youtube!

Nanuestalker

28 Aug 12 at 10:20 pm
Kae, it was 4 Corners on autism.

AndrewL

28 Aug 12 at 10:20 pm
from the new History curriculum for NSW (you would be forgiven for thinking these are all the same curriculum)

History enables the development of students’ world views, particularly in relation to actions that require judgement about past societies and their access to and use of the Earth’s resources. Students are provided with opportunities to develop an historical perspective on sustainability by understanding, for example, the emergence of farming and settled communities, the positive and negative impacts of peoples and governments on pre-modern environments, the development of the Industrial Revolution and the growth of population, the overuse of natural resources, the rise of environmental movements as well as the global energy crisis and innovative technological responses to it. Making decisions about sustainability to help shape a better future requires an understanding of how the past relates to the present, and needs to be informed by historical trends and experiences.

dd

28 Aug 12 at 10:20 pm
from the new History curriculum for NSW (you would be forgiven for thinking these are all the same curriculum)

That’s abysmal. Whatever happened to studying the events and the facts? No wonder kids finishing school these days are numpties. This is so sad.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 10:23 pm
The dumbing down of Australia continues and is ensured through the next generation.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 10:24 pm
English provides an important means of influencing behaviours

No agenda there then.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

28 Aug 12 at 10:24 pm
If circumstances, as I see them change, I change my mind and happily will continue to do so, Monst.

Fine JC, but you can’t call yourself cautious when you can change your mind on a weekly basis. It is possible to suspend judgement based on a lack of evidence. Or you could take a longer view and not be influenced by poll noise or the news cycle.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 10:27 pm
SteveC. Still waiting for China and the USA to come flying out of the blocks and lead the fight in climate change. You know, you said you trusted their leaders. Dickhead

Tiny Dancer

28 Aug 12 at 10:30 pm
Compare the rubbish our kids are being fed to that in Singapore.

http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/syllabuses/humanities/files/history-lower-secondary-2006.pdf

Knowledge
• To recognise the purpose and relevance of studying History;
• To have firm knowledge of broad, fundamental historical concepts, e.g. change and continuity, and cause and effect;
• To understand the political, economic, social and cultural forces that shaped the history of ancient India, Southeast Asia and China; and
• To acquire a better understanding of the key developments and historical milestones in Singapore’s history from pre-1819 to 1971.
2.2.2 Skills
• To develop key historical skills such as recognising bias in History writing, distinguishing between fact and opinion, and processing historical information; • To develop critical and creative thinking skills such as making comparisons, analysing and drawing conclusions through an examination of different types of source materials; and
• To develop the necessary IT skills so as to help them manage, process and use information creatively and effectively.
2.2.3 Values and Attitudes
• To develop an interest in the past and the forces that shaped human activities, institutions and ideas over time;
• To appreciate our cultural heritage as well as to develop sensitivity to and an understanding of other cultures;
• To instil a sense of loyalty, pride and commitment to Singapore;
• To show an ability to look at events and issues from the perspectives of people in the past;
• To develop positive habits of mind for critical, creative and independent learning; and
• To promote an awareness of the influence of external events on Singapore and the interdependence of countries.

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 10:32 pm
Fine JC, but you can’t call yourself cautious when you can change your mind on a weekly basis.

I don’t and haven’t. By and large I’ve thought Romney would/should be the candidate most of the way, though not all of the way, through it.

It is possible to suspend judgement based on a lack of evidence. Or you could take a longer view and not be influenced by poll noise or the news cycle.

Since Romney was the anointed heir I’ve changed my mind three times. I thought he would win then I retreated as I saw the polls moving against him and now I think he has a decent show, but it’s not a cakewalk.

JC

28 Aug 12 at 10:32 pm
Vice-Chancellors and the Australian’s Higher Education Supplement are more responsible for the dumbing down of the curriculum than any bureaucratic document.

LOL.
Moving right along from that rather cryptic bit of trolling…

dd

28 Aug 12 at 10:33 pm
considering the importance of resource conservation
•
describing how scientific and technological knowledge helps people understand the importance of recycling and the development of sustainable practices and technologies.

The local PS doesn’t allow children to bring plastic bags (lunch, etc) to school on one day a week.

I lament such pathetic green left symbolism running amok in what is a no nonsense region such as this.

It’s found to be fairly stupid/irritable to most parents, but nobody says anything outside of the usual grumbling.

I went around “interviewing” some private schools a few months ago for my kid starting next year, they’re shocked when you start asking questions about what they’re teaching. The catholic principle bristled a little when I said that I believed that some of the HSIE curriculum was a little extreme by local community standards.

She then went onto to celebrate her achievement of removing the troughs from the boys toilets.

We ran.

twostix

28 Aug 12 at 10:34 pm
Outrageous brainwashing of kids. Why isn’t Fatty O’B moving against this?

Lazlo

28 Aug 12 at 10:36 pm
Yes, children should be allowed to smoke in the schoolyard like in the good old days!

We used to blow shit up.

Some arsehole took it too far and burned the school down!

.

28 Aug 12 at 10:38 pm
Why isn’t Fatty O’B moving against this?

It’s up to his education minister Adrian Piccoli, who is possibly surrounded by bureaucrats who have simply continued in their positions since the previous, Labor administration. No doubt in an impartial and technocratic role, of course.

dd

28 Aug 12 at 10:46 pm
Yes, children should be allowed to smoke in the schoolyard like in the good old days!

Fuck me what a shit attempt.

0 / 10

twostix

28 Aug 12 at 10:46 pm
Yes, children should be allowed to smoke in the schoolyard like in the good old days!

Please tell us the period of history when children were allowed to smoke at school. Until then, you need to dust off your copy of “Trolling for dummies” or enrol in “Trolling 101: trolling made simple” to improve your technique.

dd

28 Aug 12 at 10:48 pm
Meanwhile Newman has ‘slid back’ on job cuts in Queensland.

From 20k plus to under 15k.

You’re not falling for this old classic, are you?

What this means is that Newman’s original aim was 15,000.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 10:49 pm
It’s up to his education minister Adrian Piccoli, who is possibly surrounded by bureaucrats who have simply continued in their positions since the previous, Labor administration. No doubt in an impartial and technocratic role, of course.

They’ve delayed the roll out of the nationalised history module but only until next year or something.

Perhaps they’re hoping like hell Abbott gets in and scraps it.

The IPA have written some good stuff on the national curriculum.

twostix

28 Aug 12 at 10:51 pm
The Forgotten Rachels.

kae

28 Aug 12 at 10:52 pm
People in influential teaching roles responsible for corrupting the young and perhaps getting them killed by preaching extremism, hey Nanu?

To be sure.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 10:53 pm
I have picked up the Koran lately.

I am trying to get a copy of the Jewish scriptures.

Thing is, I can’t work out what I need.

Tankh, Midrash, Talmud… anything else?

.

28 Aug 12 at 10:56 pm
Chris Berg wrote a good article back in July:

Schools might as well tell students who to vote for

But from the start, the curriculum’s politics were obvious. In its own words, the National Curriculum will create ”a more ecologically and socially just world”. The phrase ”ecological justice” is rarely seen outside environmental protests. Social justice is a more mainstream concept, but it’s also solidly of the left – it usually refers to ”fixing” inequality by redistributing wealth.

It gets worse. The suggestion we have a duty to be ”stewards” of the environment comes straight from green political philosophy. It reduces humans to mere trustees of nature. This directly conflicts with the liberal belief that the Earth’s bounty can be used for the benefit of humanity.

Politics drenches the entire curriculum. Three ”cross-curriculum priorities” infuse everything from history to maths. They are: sustainability, engagement with Asia, and Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander histories and cultures.

Perhaps on first glance the priorities don’t seem too political. But the history curriculum will offer perspectives on ”the overuse of natural resources” and ”the global energy crisis”. The English curriculum will teach students how to ”advocate … actions for sustainable futures”. The ideology here is so flagrant teachers might as well just tell the kids who to vote for.

http://ipa.org.au/news/2697/schools-might-as-well-tell-students-who-to-vote-for

twostix

28 Aug 12 at 10:59 pm
The entire NSW subject “Human Society and its environment” seems to be, as twostix says, a PC-fest love-in.

dd

28 Aug 12 at 11:00 pm
Since Romney was the anointed heir I’ve changed my mind three times. I thought he would win then I retreated as I saw the polls moving against him and now I think he has a decent show, but it’s not a cakewalk.

If he wins, which demographics other than 55+ whites will he and the other white guy carry? He doesn’t seem to be running a broad strategy any more. The Tea Party is dominating the GOP. That’s the sort of long term view that I am talking about.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 11:01 pm
Powerful article by Berg.

In its own words, the National Curriculum will create ”a more ecologically and socially just world”.

That says it all.
But hey don’t fret, all the Liberal state premiers have signed onto this, and they all know what they’re doing. Right?

dd

28 Aug 12 at 11:02 pm
You’re not falling for this old classic, are you?
What this means is that Newman’s original aim was 15,000.

LOL, you’re right!
Wow, everyone fell for the oldest political trick in the book.

dd

28 Aug 12 at 11:03 pm
I have picked up the Koran lately.

I am trying to get a copy of the Jewish scriptures.

Thing is, I can’t work out what I need.

Tankh, Midrash, Talmud… anything else?

Stop being an idiot, wasting your time with heathen religions.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 11:04 pm
If he wins, which demographics other than 55+ whites will he and the other white guy carry? He doesn’t seem to be running a broad strategy any more. The Tea Party is dominating the GOP. That’s the sort of long term view that I am talking about.

Ageing population, a white majority – please tell us why you think this is a loser of a strategy.

.

28 Aug 12 at 11:04 pm
Thanks, Gab! I’ve sent her the link.
Now I must go horizontal!

kae

28 Aug 12 at 11:07 pm
Stop being an idiot, wasting your time with heathen religions.

Please tell me how Jews are “heathens”?

It’s not a religious deal. It is a histroy/current affairs/literary deal.

.

28 Aug 12 at 11:08 pm
Although I believe the convicted drug dealer has moved on from heading NSW Education, to Finance? How to count money will be a handy skill there..

Lazlo

28 Aug 12 at 11:11 pm
If he wins, which demographics other than 55+ whites will he and the other white guy carry? He doesn’t seem to be running a broad strategy any more. The Tea Party is dominating the GOP. That’s the sort of long term view that I am talking about.

The white vote, pure and simple. That’s who will be voting for him in large and potentially winning numbers.

JC

28 Aug 12 at 11:13 pm
And he’s run with it until he’s been forced to stop by the public.

LOL

Queensland needs more paper shufflers and more debt, doesn’t it?

.

28 Aug 12 at 11:13 pm
I keep trying to post but keep getting in moderation. Julius is mes lajesty, if you get my drift.

Brc

28 Aug 12 at 11:15 pm
All the Labor talking heads are certain that the air price will be $30 in 3 years. They should just buy some long term derivatives and really get the cash in.

All the while they go on about certainty, while continually changing the rules and manipulating the market.

Brc

28 Aug 12 at 11:18 pm
Julius is mes lajesty, if you get my drift.

I don’t think so. Les at least is a witty and entertaining troll. Julius seems to be on his/her trolling “L” plates.

dd

28 Aug 12 at 11:19 pm
FEMINISM’S TRIUMPH: So, women have finally succeeded in becoming all they hate? “Don Draper hasn’t gone away. He’s just changed his name to Donna.”

Related: “These women are the men their mothers divorced.”

Harsh but fair. (via Insty)

sdog

28 Aug 12 at 11:21 pm
Watching the CFMEU dispute on TV. Surprise, surprise, the talking head for the union is a militant Scotsman. Why can’t they go back to their own ruined toilet.

ABC giving the impression of shock that a union could behave like this.

No mention of disbanding the regulator by the clowns known as the alp.

Brc

28 Aug 12 at 11:22 pm
People in influential teaching roles responsible for corrupting the young and perhaps getting them killed by preaching extremism, hey Nanu?

CL –
Not sure what your point is. If you’ve been following the conversation, yes people grow up and recycle these left-wing ideologies to the younger generation. I’d have the same problem if there was a right-wing bias.

Nanuestalker

28 Aug 12 at 11:23 pm
The 20k figure was written in Costello’s audit report.

Right. So their original aim was 15,000.

And it’s being sold as a moderation.

LOL.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 11:23 pm
Ageing population, a white majority – please tell us why you think this is a loser of a strategy.

The white vote, pure and simple. That’s who will be voting for him in large and potentially winning numbers.

The white majority is soon to become a minority, back in May the story did the rounds that births of non-whites now outnumbers white births in America. How is confining your appeal to whites a good long term strategy, let alone short term?

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 11:23 pm
thanks sdog. And added to the end of that…

“Everybody thinks they are countercultural rebels, insurgents against the true establishment, which is always somewhere else.”

dd

28 Aug 12 at 11:24 pm
How is confining your appeal to whites a good long term strategy, let alone short term?

Oh you mean the GOP should be the same as the demolitionists by pandering to minorities and have a spoils system?

Doofus you take one race at a time.

JC

28 Aug 12 at 11:26 pm
What this means is that Newman’s original aim was 15,000.

He should have said 50,000.

twostix

28 Aug 12 at 11:27 pm
Oh you mean the GOP should be the same as the demolitionists by pandering to minorities and have a spoils system?

Doofus you take one race at a time.

LOL, I’d like to hear Romney say that.

“People say we’re cutting benefits for non-whites. Well, we’re taking it one race at a time. For the next four years, it’s whitey’s turn. Maybe after that, we’ll get around to some of you other people.”

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 11:28 pm
“Everybody thinks they are countercultural rebels, insurgents against the true establishment, which is always somewhere else.”

m0nty, 28 Aug 12 at 11:37 am: “Actually Dot, I’m just the sort of person you normally support: the lone wolf, fighting against the establishment, carving out a niche of fact in a world of lies.”

Heh. Who says trolls aren’t good for anything?

sdog

28 Aug 12 at 11:30 pm
Mentioned on Bolt that the Electrical Trades Union donated $325,000 to Adam Bandt and the CFMEU (Vic branch) donated $50,000 to Bandt because the Greens wanted to abolish the ABCC. And they succeeded through their puppet Gillard.

http://www.workplaceinfo.com.au/industrial-relations/unions/etu-gives-greens-$325-000-because-their-ir-policies-are-better

Gab

28 Aug 12 at 11:30 pm
Monster

When 95% of the black public vote for who they think is their own, you’re suggesting it’s somehow wrong for Romney to craft his campaign around attracting the white vote? You think that’s unfair in some way? Lol. Go away.

JC

28 Aug 12 at 11:32 pm
Julius is mes lajesty, if you get my drift.

No, Julius hasn’t mentioned AAPL. PeeTiddy would have by now.

Nanuestalker

28 Aug 12 at 11:32 pm
Monster

When 95% of the black public vote for who they think is their own, you’re suggesting it’s somehow wrong for Romney to craft his campaign around attracting the white vote? You think that’s unfair in some way? Lol. Go away.

It’s not a black and white issue, JC, if you’ll pardon the pun. Hispanics, Asians, there are plenty of other significant demographics.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 11:35 pm
How is confining your appeal to whites a good long term strategy, let alone short term?

If whites ever become a minority, most whites will be more interested in finding a new country than they will be in domestic politics.

Yobbo

28 Aug 12 at 11:38 pm
Yea… the Asian vote is split and increasingly going to the GOP which is a good thing as they represent 5% of the population.

Hispanics? Most seem rusted on Demolitionists.

Increase the white vote in the election and you win.

JC

28 Aug 12 at 11:41 pm
The entire NSW subject “Human Society and its environment” seems to be, as twostix says, a PC-fest love-in.

If you read the units of work you’ll eventually come across these gems:

Conduct class interviews with a variety of people from the community whose beliefs influence their work or lifestyle, eg
charity workers, WIRES representatives, vegans, social activists.

Vegans? Social Activists? Is this some sort of joke?

Have students write letters to environmental organisations, eg Greenpeace, to express their concerns regarding particular issues raised on their mind maps.

Invite a guest speaker from Greenpeace or another environmental group to explain possible consequences of human
involvement with the Antarctic

Students could investigate how they can positively influence the world’s environment by starting at home, eg reduce
global warming by reducing energy consumption. Discuss the idea of ‘Think globally, act locally’.

Get these fuckers out of the classroom now.

Ask students to investigate what can be, or is, produced at home and ways of ‘shopping’ that do not involve money, eg
subsistence farming, bartering, cooperatives. Investigate bulk buying.

VOMIT

twostix

28 Aug 12 at 11:42 pm
m0nty – instead of being white apologist, do the right thing and become a ranga apologist.

Nanuestalker

28 Aug 12 at 11:43 pm
Not sure what your point is. If you’ve been following the conversation…

Nanu, I started the conversation, you bone head.

I linked to a just decided Israeli court decision which cleared the IDF of any wrongdoing or liability for Corrie’s death.

My point is that you said Corrie was a victim of certain currents in education and culture pursuant to which she foolishly became indoctrinated and lost her life while actuating a warped sense of moral indignation and grievance.

Nonsense – for two reasons. First, she was an adult who got in the way of a bulldozer. (Actually, she placed herself in the operator’s blind spot, which is about the dumbest thing a person could do). Second, she herself sought to indoctrinate children; specifically, to hate Jews. She thereby contributed to the moral corruption of those children and conceivably contributed to their own future deaths in radical displays of outrage and ‘protest.’

Most people don’t do this, education and culture notwithstanding.

I’m sorry that she died but her death was her own fault.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 11:44 pm
Gab,

Dean Mighell from the ETU is a union thug who was expelled from the ALP by Rudd when he went over the top in thugishness, and even the Milky Bar Kid couldn’t turn a blind eye. He then had a hissy fit about the ALP and started channelling money to the Greens instead.

He is currently under a cloud for allegedly rorting hundreds of thousands from finance businesses associted with industry super funds. Standard Operating Procedure for unions it seems. It will be interesting indeed to see where these contributions to the Greens came from.

I know someone from the energy sector in Victoria who says that Mighell plays with live bullets on the meeting table when ‘negotiating’ with companies on industrial matters.

Lazlo

28 Aug 12 at 11:49 pm
If whites ever become a minority, most whites will be more interested in finding a new country than they will be in domestic politics.

Are there huge white migrations out of California and Texas now that they are white-minority states? Don’t be stupid, Yobbo.

m0nty

28 Aug 12 at 11:51 pm
Thats CL, that explains your fanatical pro-life stance.

Nanuestalker

28 Aug 12 at 11:51 pm
Thanks CL, that explains your fanatical pro-life stance.

Yes, as part of my pro-life stance, I am opposed to standing behind bulldozers and teaching Palestinian children to hate Jews.

C.L.

28 Aug 12 at 11:57 pm
Are there huge white migrations out of California and Texas now that they are white-minority states?

(1) California is bankrupt, and yes there are huge migrations of taxpayers and wealth-creators from it.

(2) Texas is not a “white-minority” state. Whites make up more than 70% of the population.

In any case, the real struggle is not between “whites” and “non-whites” … it’s between productive citizens and moochers. Those who want Teh Gubbamint to rip money out of the paychecks of the productive and hand it to them for doing nothing are going to vote Democrat and I don’t care how much melanin they have in their skin.

sdog

29 Aug 12 at 12:03 am
He is currently under a cloud for allegedly rorting hundreds of thousands from finance businesses associted with industry super funds.

Well colour me surprised.

Oh yeah, and Adam Bandt used to work at S&G.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 12:04 am
Oh yeah, and Adam Bandt used to work at S&G.

I don’t suppose the ETU could have been clients. Just speculating..

Lazlo

29 Aug 12 at 12:07 am
CL -
She started out as a treehugger in the SCA and probably stood in front of bulldozers in forests. Her indoctrination to left-wing ideology lead to the delusion she could do the same in Gaza.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 12:08 am
Corrie was standing in front of the bulldozer when the hate-filled driver mowed her down.

Flatened her more like it.

How the fuck do you know he was hate-filled, Julius? Were you there? Do you know him?

You are such a contemptible moron.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 12:09 am
THE extraordinary police record of John Setka, one of the nation’s most powerful unionists, finally has been laid bare, with 60 charges leading to dozens of convictions and fines including for theft, assault by kicking, criminal damage and assaulting police.

Well with that on his CV what would he do next? Oh, of course:

By the end of the year, Mr Setka is expected to be placed in charge of the construction division of the Victorian branch of the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union.

And the precious Setka is aslo suing Abbott for damages (que?) in a defamation suit because Abbott said “thugs like Setka”.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 12:10 am
She started out as a treehugger in the SCA and probably stood in front of bulldozers in forests.

One too many.

Her indoctrination to left-wing ideology lead to the delusion she could do the same in Gaza.

Big mistake. Huge.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 12:10 am
(1) California is bankrupt, and yes there are huge migrations of taxpayers and wealth-creators from it.

(2) Texas is not a “white-minority” state. Whites make up more than 70% of the population.

Texas has 45% non-Hispanic whites. It’s only 40% in California.

m0nty

29 Aug 12 at 12:13 am
Oh, and just for fun, here is another example of how a potential union whistle blower gets promoted to the bench to keep them quiet. This time from The Age no less.

This mob are seriously corrupt and need to go to jail, following the Royal Commission.

Lazlo

29 Aug 12 at 12:14 am
This mob are seriously corrupt and need to go to jail, following the Royal Commission.

I think they’ll be taken care of under the Fisk Doctrine; it’s in one of the secret appendices.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 12:16 am
Terry McCrann on today’s carbon dioxide debacle:

Linking collective carbon insanities.

We will be literally paying foreigners for the right to keep our own power stations operating. And also, what few factories we have left.

No wonder former Labor Queensland state treasurer, Keith de Lacy, sees this as an exercise in collective insanity.

And in the insane love media:

European deal is a carbon PR coup.

Worth reading for a laugh.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 12:17 am
Texas has 45% non-Hispanic whites. It’s only 40% in California.

They are very different people. A large number of Texan hispanics have been there a long time or from just across the border.

Mexican immigration to cal has come from very poor parts of Mexico.

You know the border with Mexico was closed by FDR, right? You could move across the border at will before FDR closed it at the urging to the labor unions.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 12:19 am
So leftism killed Corrie and not a bulldozer?

Well it does seem to go hand in hand with stupidity. Palestinians don’t stand in front of bulldozers.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 12:24 am
Cuts to come? Samantha Maiden, The Sunday Telegraph, August 26:

TONY Abbott’s budget razor gang is considering plans to charge students more for university degrees and introduce a new cap on university places.

No fear, says the federal Coalition’s education spokesman, Christopher Pyne in a media statement later that day:

THE Coalition has no plans to increase university fees or cap places. Reports that this is being considered are wrong. In fact, the Coalition strongly supported the uncapping of university places.

Maybe the Australian Greens missed it. Lee Rhiannon [consults her crystal ball and tarot cards] media release, lunchtime yesterday:

WE know that an Abbott government plans to increase student fees, cap university places and reintroduce full fee paying places … Though the Coalition has not released its policy platform, it has signalled a big HECS fee increase.

Hmmmm, who to believe?

Tony Abbott in the 2010 Election Debate:

” We will get a carbon tax if this Government is re-elected, as sure as night follows day.”.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 12:25 am
What Roxon wants:

Internet data tracking proposal seen as ‘a police state’.

PROPOSED laws that would allow the web and telecommunications data of all Australians to be stored for two years have been dubbed ”characteristic of a police state”.

[The government's proposals] include allowing authorities to access anyone’s computer to get to a suspect’s device, or to ”enter a third-party premises for the purposes of installing a surveillance device”.

It is also considering increasing the scope of search warrants from 90 days to six months and establishing an ”authorised operations scheme” to protect ASIO officers from civil or criminal liability.

Who supports the proposal?

The Australian Federal Police and the Australian Taxation Office were among the few supporting the proposal to retain all telecommunications data.

(Warning: the picture accompanying that story is horrifying).

————————————-

Yes, members of this government need to be jailed.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 12:27 am
Cuts to come? Samantha Maiden, The Sunday Telegraph, August 26:

Yay, we’re talking policy!

Well, one side is.

m0nty

29 Aug 12 at 12:30 am
(Warning: the picture accompanying that story is horrifying).

No kidding. So, you’re mending your wicked ways I see. Dover, watch and learn

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 12:33 am
m0nty, until fairly recently Americans of Hispanic origin did not consider themselves a different and distinct “race”. Indians (the indigenous people of North and South America, “native Americans”) were a distinct race, but those of Hispanic heritage were not considered to be.

My NC birth certificate, for instance, had no box to tick for “hispanic/latino”. It wasn’t a distinct race back then. Just an ethnicity, same as “polish” or “scandinavian”. Hispanic-Americans ticked the “white” box, just as Americans of Italian, Scandinavian, Greek and Polish ancestry did.

I just don’t see what your point is anyway. Since Texas, with a fair number of citizens of hispanic ancestry, is a successful state; and California, also with a high number of residents with hispanic ancestry, is a failed state, are you trying to put forward the proposition that there are other factors in play besides ethnicity? If so, I agree.

sdog

29 Aug 12 at 12:34 am
Julia Gillard is the Cecilia Gimenez of Australian politics.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 12:36 am
I just don’t see what your point is anyway. Since Texas, with a fair number of citizens of hispanic ancestry, is a successful state; and California, also with a high number of residents with hispanic ancestry, is a failed state, are you trying to put forward the proposition that there are other factors in play besides ethnicity? If so, I agree

My point is that the Ryan plan transfers wealth to rich old white people and removes benefits from large voting blocs of poor non-whites. I don’t see how this is a viable electoral strategy.

m0nty

29 Aug 12 at 12:41 am
Gimenez insists she had permission from the priest to touch up the painting, entitled Ecce Homo (Behold The Man) and painted by Elias Garcia Martinez. Spanish jokesters have renamed the fresco Ecce Mono (Behold the Monkey).

But Gimenez says she hasn’t finished yet. “We have always repaired everything ourselves here. The priest knew about it. Of course he did,” she told Spanish television.

ROFL

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 12:43 am
New RNC convention video. The Libs ought to do something similar.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 12:44 am
m0nty, you’re tying yourself in knots there. Drop the race card and you’ll have both hands free to try and extricate yourself. There’s a good boy.

sdog

29 Aug 12 at 12:45 am
Obama re-election poster.

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/149608/

EVEN AT THE NEW YORK TIMES, A BREATH OF OBAMA-DISENCHANTMENT: There is only one star in the galaxy at this White House and his name is Barack Obama. Everyone in the Sun King’s court has drunk the Kool-Aid.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 12:48 am
Internet data tracking proposal seen as ‘a police state’.

Police obviously want COOKIES as well as donuts.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 12:48 am
Time to sack Obama?

Gawker/New York Times: Is Barack Obama Depressed?

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 12:56 am
How many points is the sympathy vote worth? (Can’t see any other reason the NY Times are thinking of running that story)

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 1:02 am
Howard established the bipartisan shift to an Australian police state after 911.

Actually, there’s alot of truth in that and libertarian/centre-right sites such as this were very critical.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 1:05 am
Howard established the bipartisan shift to an Australian police state after 911.

Actually, there’s alot of truth in that and libertarian/centre-right sites such as this were very critical of it.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 1:06 am
Oh.

It’s Howard’s fault.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 1:13 am
Greens under pressure not to hold secret meetings.

Warning: Nightmare-inducing photo. Seriously!

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 1:23 am
A paper on Government Surveillance in Australia produced in 2006

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 1:25 am
The members of the party are always asked whether they would be happy to have the media in the conference or not, and frequently they say no, they want to be able to address things in a relaxed way because they don’t feel that they can do that with the media there,” she said “People feel a bit nervous if the media is around.”

Senator Milne defended the closed-door policy again yesterday. “The members have argued that they want to have a safe and secure environment in which to discuss various aspects of policies they may wish to implement,” she said.

She said Greens rank and file members could “feel stressed . . . with that kind of scrutiny”. However, she said both she and her predecessor, Bob Brown, thought “it would be a good idea” if conferences were open.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 1:32 am
BTW Gab & CL, stop with the scary photos!

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 1:34 am
Newt chews Chris Matthews’ race card and spits it out.

sdog

29 Aug 12 at 1:53 am
For fans of Dan Riehl, he’s completely renovated his website. Worth a look: http://www.riehlworldview.com/

sdog

29 Aug 12 at 1:59 am
Nanu, just to be clear…

I am not making light of Corrie’s death. She was educated, quite attractive, believed in something and was courageous. She was young. She died a horrible death – really horrible.

I know you’re trying to say she was, in some sense, a victim of our stupid culture of ostentatious grievance-mongering and fashionable (left-wing) causes. Maybe in a very, very meta-hermeneutical sense, she was. But in my reading of her later life and death, I cannot ignore her own adult moral agency, her wilful promotion of hate and her clumsily reckless disregard for her own safety.

Finally, her cultus – for that is what it has become – is premised upon, and driven by, the lie that she was murdered by evil men (Jews) doing systemically evil things. This is a blood libel, pure and simple. Now in ancient times (and still, today), the orthodoxy and spiritual efficacy of any cultus was judged mainly in terms of the goodness and enlightenment – the conversion – to be seen in the followers of the departed and putative saint. By this criterion, I judge the Corrie cult as being false, contrived, malicious and designedly fractious. That is to say, it is not of God.

Rachel herself was a child of God and I lament her dreadful, unnecessary death.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 2:06 am
Newt chews Chris Matthews’ race card and spits it out.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/08/12/the-daily-show-the-race-card-is-maxed-out/

Ivan Denisovich

29 Aug 12 at 2:12 am
Cardinal Dolan has given us all a lesson in priorities and commitment.

I beg to differ, Mr Morrissey.

Cardinal Dolan now delivering prayers at both conventions.

He has given us a lesson in everything that’s wrong with the American hierarchy.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 2:25 am
Michelle Obama: TOPLESS.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 2:30 am
My point is that the Ryan plan transfers wealth to rich old white people and removes benefits from large voting blocs of poor non-whites.

The Ryan plan does not “transfer wealth” to anyone – at the most it freezes current entitlements and scales them back over time.

Fisky

29 Aug 12 at 3:44 am
The party of subversives has to operate in secret:

Senator Milne was forced to defend the Greens’ closed-door meeting policy when she spoke outside the Tasmanian party conference on Saturday. She said party members had voted not to admit the media.
“The members of the party are always asked whether they would be happy to have the media in the conference or not, and frequently they say no, they want to be able to address things in a relaxed way because they don’t feel that they can do that with the media there,” she said.
“People feel a bit nervous if the media is around.”
Senator Milne defended the closed-door policy again yesterday. “The members have argued that they want to have a safe and secure environment in which to discuss various aspects of policies they may wish to implement,” she said.
She said Greens rank and file members could “feel stressed . . . with that kind of scrutiny”. However, she said both she and her predecessor, Bob Brown, thought “it would be a good idea” if conferences were open.
Despite this, she refused to confront the party on the issue, instead saying “the strength of the Greens has been in our local groups and local membership”.

Of course, they can’t go public if they’re acting against the public interest!

Tom

29 Aug 12 at 3:51 am
Why Combet’s carbon tax dog’s breakfast is just a revenue-raising speed camera on the Australian economy:

The EU exempts virtually all its export industries from its emissions trading scheme; we don’t exempt ours. So it is the EU that will decide, but our living standards that will suffer. With the Nobel prize in economics only weeks away, whoever devised this scheme won’t be wasting any money in sending the monkey costume off to the dry cleaners.

But if aligning our carbon price on the EU’s is such a good thing, why make us wait? Since carbon prices are going to be allowed to fall in 2015, what useful purpose is served by keeping them at gravity-defying levels, all the more so as a study by the Centre for International Economics shows having a higher carbon price than Europe’s will cost our economy $1.6bn to $3.4bn in 2012-13 alone?

No useful purpose at all. For as a signal to long-term abatement, the current high level of the carbon tax is entirely worthless. But there is one thing it does do: it raises revenue. And that helps feed the government’s addiction to redistribution: to shuffling around bits of the pie, regardless of the losses incurred along the way.

So the current carbon tax is just that: a tax that serves only to raise revenue, and very inefficiently at that. As for all the fine words about “locking in predictability and stability”, they are merely another commitment to be disposed of. Like soiled nappies. Jilted lovers. Or former colleagues. And then buried under the floor.

Tom

29 Aug 12 at 4:21 am
The construction industry’s Underbelly:

THE extraordinary police record of John Setka, one of the nation’s most powerful unionists, finally has been laid bare, with 60 charges leading to dozens of convictions and fines including for theft, assault by kicking, criminal damage and assaulting police.

By the end of the year, Mr Setka is expected to be placed in charge of the construction division of the Victorian branch of the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union …

Sitting with Melbourne identity Mick Gatto at a wine bar opposite Parliament House in Melbourne yesterday, Mr Setka said he was under legal instruction not to talk to The Australian but added that many of the offences were committed in the name of protecting workers.

“A lot of the charging was dismissed on appeal,” he said. “You go to a picket line and you just get loaded up with a whole lot of charges.”

Mr Gatto said Mr Setka worked hard for his members and deserved respect.

Mr Setka, who is suing Tony Abbott for allegedly implying he is a union thug, was accused in court yesterday of deliberately driving his car at a building site manager following a violent protest. He denies the claim.

Tom

29 Aug 12 at 4:37 am
Red Ted considers quadrupling fines to as much as $1400 for motorists who fail to save Greenfilth riding bicycles from their own stupidity. However, in a minor victory for most road users, a parliamentary committee has recommended against introducing demerit points for motorists whose doors hit passing cyclists. Naturally, the whole push to have cyclists declared an endangered species was proposed by the Greens.

Tom

29 Aug 12 at 4:56 am
Err, was it just my iPad?

Scheduled maintenance doughboys ‘r’ us?

Rabz

29 Aug 12 at 8:22 am
Newt chews Chris Matthews’ race card and spits it out.

That Chris Matthews is riddled with racial stereotypes from the past. Newt did a good job trying to get him into the 21st century.

Token

29 Aug 12 at 8:37 am
This is a bureaucracy whose Fish and Wildlife agents fine an eleven-year-old Virginia schoolgirl $535 for the crime of rescuing a woodpecker from a cat and nursing him back to health

For sdog – Steyn on the US’s Paramilitarized Bureaucracies…

Rabz

29 Aug 12 at 8:39 am
My point is that the Ryan plan transfers wealth to rich old white people and removes benefits from large voting blocs of poor non-whites.

The Ryan plan does not “transfer wealth” to anyone – at the most it freezes current entitlements and scales them back over time.

The Ryan plan involves the 50% of people who pay taxes get a tax break while the people who don’t get taxes see services put under cost centrols.

Where do you get the emotive statement “rich old white people”?

Is this a White-Hispanic type thing where all the people/businesses ran by people from all ethnic groups are reclassified as white to match the hate and prejudices of the Left?

Token

29 Aug 12 at 8:40 am
Why Combet’s carbon tax dog’s breakfast is just a revenue-raising speed camera on the Australian economy:

Ross Greenwood did some great interviews last night where he got Ed Husac on and had him on the run over the emerging Carbin Tax Budget Black Hole.

The government’s fantasy is built on the delusions from Treasury that the price of carbon in Europe will magically rise in time to save their projections.

Token

29 Aug 12 at 8:43 am
Penny Wrong on Lateline was given some easy questions about what Australia would do post the minerals boom. She said we’d be selling Goods & Services to the Growing Asian Middle Class. Later, when asked what we’d sell, all she came up with was tourism.
Greg Kombi on ABC TV (the Michael & Carina show) said it was “a breakthrough” that we’d now aligned ourselves and our stupid carbon trading system with all those Europeans.( Henry Ergas begs to differ!) It was done, he said, after the “consultations with industry” that they’d always said they’d have. Great, now ask industry about that ridiculous $23 interim swipe.
The policy is in tatters.

blogstrop

29 Aug 12 at 8:47 am
Tom,

so you think its quite alright to swing your door open into a cyclist?

No point looking.. not as if they’re people or anything.

What about peds.. do you fling your door open at them, too?

fuckwit.

duncan

29 Aug 12 at 8:47 am
I thought you’d fixed this yesterday. Why do I bother?

blogstrop

29 Aug 12 at 8:48 am
Moderation is now killing this blog, weakened and devlaued by trolls, and down for the count.

blogstrop

29 Aug 12 at 8:49 am
The evidence is overwhelming that the union movement is just another organised crime faction – possibly the largest in the nation and certainly the most powerful.

That we let their political wing anywhere near the levers of power is madness. May as well give Al Capone the keys to the vault.

No wonder the ALP are so keen to use anti-consorting legislation to bust up the bikies – the bikies are the competition.

Matt

29 Aug 12 at 8:50 am
Wow, people at the NY Times are calling Obama the Sun King…

When Barack Obama was on the presidential campaign trail the first time, he used the title of Doris Kearns Goodwin’s Lincoln biography, “Team of Rivals,” to describe the entourage he would seek at the White House, a combative group from across the political spectrum who would challenge his every idea.

Well, four years have passed and Obama has adroitly steered the bankrupted United States he inherited away from the precipice but has not provided a “different future” worthy of the hope invested in him; and that imagined team of rivals became a team, or rather a coterie, of idolizers.

There is only one star in the galaxy at this White House and his name is Barack Obama. Everyone in the Sun King’s court has drunk the Kool-Aid.

Token

29 Aug 12 at 9:03 am
Gab @1.23

Warning: Nightmare-inducing photo. Seriously!

Have you ever seen a more hate filled expression on an Australian politician?
What a loathsome, venomous sack of wrong she is.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

29 Aug 12 at 9:14 am
test

Huckleberry Chunkwot

29 Aug 12 at 9:17 am
So the whole idea that the progressive agenda for gay marriage was a slippery slope was supposed to be hyperbole [or hyper-bowl].

The BBC reports from Brazil:

Public Notary Claudia do Nascimento Domingues has said the man and two women should be entitled to family rights.

She says there is nothing in law to prevent such an arrangement.

…Ms Domingues, who is based in the Sao Paulo city of Tupa, said the move reflected the fact that the idea of a “family” had changed.

“We are only recognising what has always existed. We are not inventing anything.”

“For better or worse, it doesn’t matter, but what we considered a family before isn’t necessarily what we would consider a family today.”

Token

29 Aug 12 at 9:31 am
nanu – Thanks CL, that explains your fanatical pro-life stance.

CL – Yes, as part of my pro-life stance, I am opposed to standing behind bulldozers and teaching Palestinian children to hate Jews.

CL isn’t pro life, unless it’s male. He doesn’t care how many women die in backyard abortion clinics, he probably thinks they deserve it.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 9:57 am
Bicycles are for kids, getting home from the pub and for athletes. Anyone else using them is a plonker who should be subject to a life altering fine.

Infidel Tiger

29 Aug 12 at 10:27 am
One more try.
This begging letter is out from The Red Cross (Michael Raper):

Did you catch the first episode of Go Back to Where You Came From on SBS last night?
If you missed it, I recommend you try to catch it online. Go Back to Where You Came From reminds us that an estimated 4.3 million people were forced from their homes due to conflict or persecution last year alone. This is the world we live in.
Mostly these are ordinary people thrust into a new reality where great uncertainty, and fear about the future, now dominate their everyday lives.
In spite of the extreme hardship and suffering that many of these people endure, in my experience refugees and asylum seekers are often incredibly resilient people. Just like you and me, they hope for a future where they can be free from fear, persecution and violence

The Red Cross may be a bandaid society, but the “world we live in” needs something more positive and reformatory to happen to those perennially dysfunctional countries that are the source of all these refugees & country shoppers. We can’t become the repository of all those who, however lucidly, see their country of birth as a place to be exited.

You can’t win with the bleeding heart brigades. If you don’t boot out governments like the Taliban were last time around you get appalling government, but then when an alternative government is being nurtured and women are once again having some education and participating in that government, you’re faced with critics who say we shouldn’t be there. So the Taliban will be back soon.

Kick out a Middle-east dictator and you get the Muslim Brotherhood or Al-Qaeda. Turkey and Egypt are both neutering their armed forces so there’ll be no blowback as Islamisation shifts up a gear. Attaturk’s vision is being replaced with Zia Al Haq’s, where the military and Intelligence services are no longer a bulwark against terrorism, but involved in it.

blogstrop

29 Aug 12 at 10:44 am
Hooray!

blogstrop

29 Aug 12 at 10:45 am
They put Catherine Deveny together with Reith and Angry? LOL

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/the-danger-is-palpable-in-an-inspired-go-back-20120829-24zhh.html

(Deveny isn’t exactly a supermodel, is she?)

jtfsoon

29 Aug 12 at 10:53 am
There is so much that is so wrong in this kevni ruff piece that it defies description.

Read it at your own risk…

Rabz

29 Aug 12 at 10:53 am
Michael Smith’s post on the slush fund is hilarious.

The drafting skills in “objects of the association”went beyond the written word. Subliminal messaging techniques were employed to convey the impression the application was for a union slush fund, because words like “union election” or similar are not visible to the naked eye.

The document is notable for its adroit use of euphemistic language like “safe work practices”, a known literary-device meaning “slush fund”.

Keith

29 Aug 12 at 11:01 am
You can’t win with the bleeding heart brigades. If you don’t boot out governments like the Taliban were last time around you get appalling government, but then when an alternative government is being nurtured and women are once again having some education and participating in that government, you’re faced with critics who say we shouldn’t be there. So the Taliban will be back soon.

There are 40 million refugees around the world.

1. The absolute majority come from countries where the governments receive donor aid from the taxpayers in the West supposedly for food and medecine for the poor. Instead the money fuels the ruling class.

As a result the donations impede reform and solidify the position of ruling elites that impose autocratic policies.

2. The ruling classes of these countries know they can move in and eject people from their land as the refugees will be catered by charity organisations paid for by the taxpayers and donatiosn from the West such as the Red Cross. Thus they feel confident in their actions.

Thus, the charity though well intended fuels the process of dislocation from the autocrat classes. As the structural issues in the countries are not resolved (see point 1), many refugees remain in permanent camps looked after by aid agencies & the UN.

3. Now modern technology allows the people of those countries to know what the alternatives are and they are fleeing to the West on mass. Once they arrive as refugees the taxpayers in the West have to support the people.

Thus, policies that open borders to immigratants encourage mass movement from the permanent refugee camps.

Seriously, when you review points 1, 2 & 3, it is clear this system will break as the majority of population growth occurs in countries that supported by aid (point # 1).

Token

29 Aug 12 at 11:11 am
So the whole idea that the progressive agenda for gay marriage was a slippery slope was supposed to be hyperbole [or hyper-bowl].

The BBC reports from Brazil:

Public Notary Claudia do Nascimento Domingues has said the man and two women should be entitled to family rights.

She says there is nothing in law to prevent such an arrangement.

…Ms Domingues, who is based in the Sao Paulo city of Tupa, said the move reflected the fact that the idea of a “family” had changed.

“We are only recognising what has always existed. We are not inventing anything.”

“For better or worse, it doesn’t matter, but what we considered a family before isn’t necessarily what we would consider a family today.”

Token

29 Aug 12 at 11:13 am
I’m told by someone who watched it that Michael Smith came across as a jerk. And that Deveny was annoying.

Both to be expected.

steve from brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 11:14 am
From Rabz link, Krudd turns his hand to comedy,

For all our faults, we in the Labor tradition engage deeply in the core task of our policy platform, the costing of our policies, the complex process of transition to government and in the execution of our reform mandate once elected.

This from the idiot who, with that less-than-useless moron Conroy launched the $40bn NBN on the back of a post-it note flying around the East Coast. Not forgetting the complete dismantling of Australia’s border protection laws complete with backflip.

Expect to hear a lot more of the “Abbott as dangerous as Newman” meme. Unable to point to anything positive after 5 1/2 years in government Labor are back to scaring the electorate again.

H B Bear

29 Aug 12 at 11:23 am
Gab @1.23

Warning: Nightmare-inducing photo. Seriously!

Have you ever seen an Australian politician with a face showing such malevolent hate?
What a loathsome, venomous sack of wrong she is.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

29 Aug 12 at 11:26 am
As reported at the BBC:

An Indian company has launched what it claims is the country’s first vagina tightening cream, saying it will make women feel “like a virgin” again. The company says it is about empowering women, but critics say it is doing the opposite. The BBC’s Rajini Vaidyanathan in Mumbai reports.

It is certainly a bold claim. As the music starts playing on the advertisement for the 18 Again cream, a sari-clad woman is singing and dancing.

It is an unusual take on Bollywood.

“I feel like a virgin,” she croons, although the advert makes it clear she is not.

Her shocked in-laws look on, before her husband joins her for some salsa-style dancing.

“Feels like the very first time,” she continues, as she is twirled around.

And here I thought American ads for medicines and feminine hygiene products were bad.

steve from brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 11:27 am
There is so much that is so wrong in this kevni ruff piece that it defies description.

Jeez, maybe Gillard is an improvement on the prissy lil lezzo.

Infidel Tiger

29 Aug 12 at 11:29 am
From the piece Jason linked to from Fauxfacts:

Worst bit

Mike Smith “bonding” with the destitute and desperate children he meets, then leaving them to their fates while clinging to his “no illegals” line.

Interesting, so if Mike Smith wants more people processed through “legal” channels (i.e. preference given to people in such camps) instead of allow the intake being filled by “illegals”, how is Mike “leaving them to their fates”?

This moron actually doesn’t understand that Smith’s statement is the only way for the children to make it into the country…HELLO!

…and the morons on the Left wonder why FauxFacts is in its death throws.

Token

29 Aug 12 at 11:31 am
An Indian company has launched what it claims is the country’s first vagina tightening cream, saying it will make women feel “like a virgin” again

So Steve, after so many years of abusing butt plugs, are you going to give the cream a try before going into surgery for the full rectal re-sleeve?

Huckleberry Chunkwot

29 Aug 12 at 11:31 am
Chunkwart, you should have the warts on your chunk attended to.

steve from brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 11:35 am
Apparently we are not $250bn odd in debt because the Greens/ALP Alliance has just announced free fangs for everyone.

The vote buying has begun early.

Infidel Tiger

29 Aug 12 at 11:36 am
I was just wondering from where they’re getting the $4billion.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 11:39 am
Chunk – Stevieliar QC has finally moved on from Tony’s penis. Must have been a momentous event for him to google “vagina” for the first time.

Have you done the ironing Stevie?

Tiny Dancer

29 Aug 12 at 11:45 am
I assume that’s a rhetorical question, Gab?

Cato the Elder

29 Aug 12 at 11:45 am
After a tentative start, the Michael Smith blog is proving to be good. He’s got a lot to say, and lays it out pretty well.

brc

29 Aug 12 at 11:47 am
My, what a witty rejoinder Steve!
You are constantly subjected to some of the cleverest abuse that I have ever seen (deservedly so I should add), however you never seem to be able to come up with anything remotely resembling wit or humour in response.
You really are a sad, perverted misogynist aren’t you?

Huckleberry Chunkwot

29 Aug 12 at 11:47 am
I was just wondering from where they’re getting the $4billion.

We are back to Labor Magic Pudding economics…

…the same place they will source the money for the unfunded Gonski education hussle, the unfunded National Disability Scheme, which will cover the Carbon Tax Black Hole (revealed yesterday)…

Token

29 Aug 12 at 11:50 am
Yes, Rabz, the Kevni Ruff piece is a hard read. Interesting though that he is positioning himself for another run at PM or something else senior. It is also a truism that many people will fall for his nonsense about Labor being the Party of conscience, adaptive change and concern for all. The Coalition really do need to get busy talking up the concerns they intend to have for everyday assistances. Dental care for instance is a big one, a better system of disability provision to bring help to where it is really needed is another. They also need to talk up the political philosophy of personal achievement and endeavour and economic growth to provide jobs for all.

Sadly, a lot of people hold the view that the economy is just a big extant cake to be divided up, not something that needs nurturing to grow wealth (our view of such ‘nurturing’ here of course is to mostly leave it well alone and cut regulations, but again, that is not what a lot of people see as the issue in achieving economic growth). People want to see ‘vision’ from government and the Libs must deliver some to win. The idea of big government as the ‘fix’ is so thoroughly imbued by now. I hope the Coalition has some very good advice on how to sell the conservative viewpoint against the mess and economic disaster that Labor have produced, and that they start doing it very soon.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Aug 12 at 11:51 am
I was watching a Mike Smith vid yesterday was surprised at how down to earth he is and just how much information he has gathered. He seems like a really nice person. Genuine and not egotistical.
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on another note, anyone else find they have to keep filling in their name/email details in the Leave a Reply tabs? It doesn’t appear to “remember” the details anymore.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 11:52 am
Just received our 1st power bill in the brave new world of the carbin tax.
Consumption down 8% compared to same time last year.
Total bill, up 13% compared to same time last year.
Let’s just see how high that dead cat bounce in the polls is for the lying slapper.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

29 Aug 12 at 11:54 am
on another note, anyone else find they have to keep filling in their name/email details in the Leave a Reply tabs? It doesn’t appear to “remember” the details anymore.

Yes

brc

29 Aug 12 at 11:54 am
on another note, anyone else find they have to keep filling in their name/email details in the Leave a Reply tabs? It doesn’t appear to “remember” the details anymore.

Hmmm…probably caused by AFP data collection on behalf of Gillard.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 11:55 am
But to answer your question Gab, thats not happening to me but remember when my gravatar was abducted … some strange things happening with this blog since the move.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 11:58 am
Yes, Gab, I am not being remembered either. I am losing stuff I write here because I forget to save a copy, submit it, get told off for not having a name, go back to site and find it is all wiped off.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Aug 12 at 11:58 am
I am losing stuff I write here because I forget to save a copy, submit it, get told off for not having a name, go back to site and find it is all wiped off.

So it has its positves then!

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 12:01 pm
Oh, must be all this Scheduled Maintenance to-do. Still can’t access comments rss on the RHS of screen as I keep getting the scheduled maintenance notification. Same when I click the Catallaxy Files header. Oh well. I’m sure all will be back to normal shorty.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 12:02 pm
The other thing that has been happening recently is that the comment listing notifications are often not up to date, so you don’t know in real time who is submitting. Sometimes too the number of comments listed as made under each thread are seriously short of the actual number that you find there, so there is obviously an updating lag happening sometimes.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Aug 12 at 12:02 pm
Nanustalker – meanie!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Aug 12 at 12:03 pm
Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 12:04 pm
Chunkwart: you’re tedious bore.

Others: You can a see short bit of the Indian ad in question on Youtube.

This does not sound the healthiest thing for women to be trying. The packaging is nice, though.

steve from brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 12:22 pm
Gosh, that read like I have brain damage.

Others: You can see a short bit, etc…

steve from brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 12:23 pm
test 2

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 12:25 pm
C’mon Steve. You’ve had more than 20 minutes and that’s the best that you can come up with?
You really are a soulless, humorless piece of sexual perversion aren’t you?
How’s that working with children check going BTW?

Huckleberry Chunkwot

29 Aug 12 at 12:26 pm
Oh. You can see the whole ad, with the woman apparently singing about her new found virginal feeling in front of the family, here.

steve from brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 12:27 pm
Hmmm

More Twitter madness.

Reconstructing the flow of the article:

Troll: on behalf of NZ we would like you to please GO HANG YOURSELF!!!”

Victim: “my fiance hanged himself HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.”

Troll: replied: “if I was your fiance I’d hang myself too #gohangyourself.”

And who was this vicious troll ?

A MENTORING program staffer from Monash University

who works ( possible past tense may be soon required ) for the Pro Vice Chancellor for social inclusion.

Social media actually serves a useful Darwinian purpose – in that the utter morons who shot their metaphoric mouths off before stopping and thinking are revealed for as long as their idiocy can be webcached in the cloud.

Ms Troll’s future career options in the mentoring and social inclusion fields should be quite interesting.

A neat sidebar from the university too:

Stacey Mair, the university’s associate director, media and communications said via email last night: “Universities encourage lawful freedom of expression amongst staff and student population and encourage academic staff in particular to make public comment in their area(s) of academic expertise….

except of course if your lawful freedom of expression is in PC areas like climate change, refugee policy or economics – in which case expect calls around the academy for your summary ‘sanctioning’.

Myrrdin Seren

29 Aug 12 at 12:28 pm
SHARK nets probably won’t be adopted at West Australian beaches, with Premier Colin Barnett saying swimmers can feel safe between the flags in patrolled areas.

Good. Shark nets don’t work to deter sharks anyway.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 12:28 pm
“Universities encourage lawful freedom of expression amongst staff and student population and encourage academic staff in particular to make public comment in their area(s) of academic expertise….

Funny how they decide what is acceptable as “free expression”.

Student: I’m feeling suicidal.
Mentor: Go hang yourself.

Must be an example of the left’s compassion.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 12:31 pm
I hope the Coalition has some very good advice on how to sell the conservative viewpoint against the mess and economic disaster that laybore have produced, and that they start doing it very soon.

Lizzie, this is a source of genuine irritation. I’m so pissed off about it that I am seriously considering getting more directly involved in the political system, despite the disdain in which I rightly hold politicians.

A certain fellow commenter on this blog has been encouraging me to do so. “It may be time”, so to speak…

Rabz

29 Aug 12 at 12:37 pm
Seems a pretty light sentence for killing her husband, even if unintentionally:

Jian Chen was this morning sentenced to a minimum of three years and nine months in jail after pleading guilty to the manslaughter of her ex partner Xian Peng at her North Ryde home in February 2011.

The court accepted the guilty plea to the lesser charge, and withdrew the murder charge, because Chen was suffering from an “abnormality of the mind” due to mental illness and the belief Peng was going to take their child to China.

Chen believed her husband was “a conman” who wanted to impregnate wealthy woman to get money off them, the court heard.

The Supreme Court was told today Chen “laced” Peng’s soup dinner with sleeping tablets and then castrated him when he woke several hours later.

He died in hospital the following night from his injuries.

steve from brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 12:46 pm
I hope the Coalition has some very good advice on how to sell the conservative viewpoint against the mess and economic disaster that laybore have produced, and that they start doing it very soon.

Leftism is the easiest form of politics because every situation has the same remedy: Spend more, do more, create more bureaucracy.

Infidel Tiger

29 Aug 12 at 12:46 pm
SfB has the nerve to call me a bore when his contribution to the thread in the last hour or so has been a link to a story about vagina’s and another about a castration.
You are a perverted, brow beaten misogynist who resents the fact that your contribution to society is limited to providing links to non stories on a libertarian website, while your wife is out in the real world, earning a living and subsidising you to sit on your corpulent arse and annoy people in cyberspace.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

29 Aug 12 at 12:56 pm
Ah, that latest Michael Smith article is a beauty:

Watching the bravura bulltish from Canberra I drifted off and started dreaming about Chris Skase. I saw a beautifully crafted newspaper headline – Skase Declares Case Closed. Yesterday Christopher Skase walked into Chatswood Police Station and said to the duty probationary constable, “I understand police have some questions to ask me about a couple of transactions. Go your hardest for the next hour old son. At the expiration of 60 minutes I will announce the case closed and my obligation to answer your questions concluded. Don’t let your lack of preparation or the absence of your files hinder your investigation Constable, I am here to help. Lock the doors, do not admit further of your specialist squad colleagues, let’s get this cleared up for once and for all.”

dover_beach

29 Aug 12 at 12:56 pm
Amazing. Chunkwart’s evolutionary predecessor has been discovered:

According to National Geographic, a new fish species from Vietnam, Phallostethus cuulong, has its genitalia located on its head.

.

steve from brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 1:05 pm
Seems a pretty light sentence for killing her husband, even if unintentionally:

Working on your understatement SfB? “A little light” hardly seems to cover it.

14 years to life for grievous bodily harm and/or manslaughter used to be the rule. WTF are they thinking of?

Apparently castrating your spouse who then dies from injuries now calls for a lesser sentence than theft, if you are female and can claim “an abnormality of the mind”.

I hope the AG appeals against that sentence, it’s derisory.

Cato the Elder

29 Aug 12 at 1:06 pm
Don’t try a battle of the witty insults with Huck, SfB, you are unarmed.

Cato the Elder

29 Aug 12 at 1:09 pm
I see no evidence of wit from Chunkwart, Cato…

steve from brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 1:10 pm
Ah, that latest Michael Smith article is a beauty:

Quite a bit more up from Michael just now.

Driftforge

29 Aug 12 at 1:12 pm
Alright Steve, seeing as trying to be witty or clever is failing, I will bring the repartee down to your level.
OK, here goes………..

I see no evidence of wit from Chunkwart, Cato…

Steve, the only wit that I see around here is a……….
FUCKWIT!

Huckleberry Chunkwot

29 Aug 12 at 1:15 pm
The Leftist troll from Monash University has been sacked for her twitter abuse.

Fisky

29 Aug 12 at 1:16 pm
Why isn’t the Cat’s main page working?

Came thru to the site via this thread.

Home page gives some scheduled maintenance message.

?

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 1:16 pm
The Leftist troll from Monash University has been sacked for her twitter abuse.

That’s a bit harsh, but okay, whatever.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 1:18 pm
DOn’t know CL but we’re all getting the same issue.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 1:19 pm
having the same issue, getting the same message.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 1:19 pm
Meanwhile, political largesse is handed out to the ayants droit.

An ayant droit is a copyright holder. What the hell are you talking about?

Dangph

29 Aug 12 at 1:20 pm
Wacko theocrats…

Two hours of Islamic prayer scheduled at the Democratic National Convention.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 1:21 pm
No, it’s not harsh. Sacking Leftists is always a good thing. It should be the automatic punishment for expressing Leftist opinions.

Fisky

29 Aug 12 at 1:21 pm
I noted on MediaWatch last Monday that Fairfax seems to dispute Smith’s claim that his interview that was pulled was “lawyered” and given the all clear.

This is quite an important point, and I would be curious to know the truth.

I see that Smith claims ” I speak with Bruce a lot” as if they are on friendly terms, and yet Wilson was quoted last week criticising the “rabid” campaign against Gillard.

A cautious person might note these inconsistencies, and wonder if Smith is representing the situation properly.

But of course, look who I am talking to…

steve from brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 1:22 pm
Two hours of Islamic prayer scheduled at the Democratic National Convention.

That’s the party of “secularism”, “separation of church and state”, etc.

Fisky

29 Aug 12 at 1:23 pm
O wow, that must mean the Fisk Doctrine is being applied! Okay, slowly at first, minimal sentencing such as the sack from work but yeah, heading in the right direction.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 1:23 pm
The host committee for the Democratic National Convention is raising a number of eyebrows after choosing to proceed with featuring Islamic “Jumah” prayers for two hours on the Friday of its convention, though Democrats earlier denied a Catholic cardinal’s request to say a prayer at the same event.

Well of course, in Demo world Islam trumps all other religions.

They’ve gone mad.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 1:25 pm
Well of course, in Demo world islam trumps all other religions.

Can’t they all just hack each others heads off and be bloody done with it?

Morons.

Rabz

29 Aug 12 at 1:28 pm
No, it’s not harsh. Sacking Leftists is always a good thing. It should be the automatic punishment for expressing Leftist opinions.

If by sacking you mean hanging them with piano wire from lamp poles, then I agree.

Infidel Tiger

29 Aug 12 at 1:32 pm
Powerful New ad hits Obama over vote against protecting babies born alive from botched abortions

Features an abortion survivor who puts State Senator Obama’s 4 votes against protecting those born alive from botched abortions into perspective

JamesK

29 Aug 12 at 1:38 pm
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. Some of you may know, the last time I spoke at a convention, it turned out I was in the wrong place.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/28/Artur-Davis-electrifies-RNC

Infidel Tiger

29 Aug 12 at 1:39 pm
No, in this case I think “the sack” means to tie them up inside a sack, then hang them (upside down) for piñata practice. More fun, less rotting corpses.

Want the popcorn franchise? Only 5% of the gross . . . .

Cato the Elder

29 Aug 12 at 1:44 pm
New tone:

Ellen Barkin Hopes Hurricane Kills ‘Every Pro-Life, Xenophobic, Gay-Bashing SOB’ At The RNC.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 1:44 pm
Powerful New ad hits Obama over vote against protecting babies born alive from botched abortions

Features an abortion survivor who puts State Senator Obama’s 4 votes against protecting those born alive from botched abortions into perspective

Brilliant and poignant ad.

dover_beach

29 Aug 12 at 1:45 pm
New tone:

Ellen Barkin Hopes Hurricane Kills ‘Every Pro-Life, Xenophobic, Gay-Bashing SOB’ At The RNC.

God they’re evil bastards.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 1:47 pm
That’s a bit harsh, but okay, whatever.

Gab she’s a leftist “Social Inclusion” style theocrat – yet once again we see that those who puff their chests out proclaiming their “tolerance” doctrines are the most vile in real life. Her occupation is one of using her alleged tolerance as a battering ram against people being mean to others yet she (of course) the hypocrite does so at will.

So don’t be too worried.

I have a theory that in twenty years or so when the next murderous, totalitarian movement rises it will be the white collar middle class occupy supporting twitterati left who will form its backbone. They court eugenics, they’re racist to the core, are inherently collectivist, have delusions of grandeur while being completely nihilistic and are largely cutoff from the mainstream of society but most of all – they’ve a cruel streak and revel in ugliness of all forms while cynically and hypocritically demanding absolute purity from all outside their tribe.

twostix

29 Aug 12 at 1:48 pm
Site seems to have a cookie problem.

Cookies not working.

COOK-KIE!!

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 1:49 pm
Michael Smith summarises well something that should rule Gillard out from being in parliament, let alone be Prime Minister:

Mr Cambridge’s enquiries revealed a number of accounts held by the Commonwealth Bank. Keep in mind that the existence of the Australian Workers’ Union – Workplace Reform Association was unknown to the union until April, 1996. It is notable that Julia Gillard knew of it when she acted in its establishment in 1992. Slater and Gordon took money from it in 1993. Julia Gillard admitted to its existence and her role in its establishment as a “union slush fund” on 11 September, 1995. Thus the partnership Slater and Gordon was clearly aware of it, and its role in the funding of a house purchased with combined money from it and the Slater and Gordon partnership, by 11 September, 1995 at the latest.

I think it is inexplicable that Julia Gillard did not notify her client, the AWU of both the conflict of interest she had in her relationship with Mr Wilson, nor of the material fact of the AWU Workplace Reform establishment and existence when Wilson’s malfeasance was discovered and acted on in August, 1995. But the actions of the partnership in apparently not notifying the union are more noteworthy.

Decent people in and supporting the Labor Party must find this stunning.

It would be valuable to hear from Bob Smith about why he was so detirmined to stop Gillard (before he was handed the role of being in charge of Vics upper house) in ’96.

Token

29 Aug 12 at 1:50 pm
twostix

what makes you think it’s 20 years away?

Cato the Elder

29 Aug 12 at 1:51 pm
Twostix I’m a softy at heart but I see your point. Hopefully she’ll learn a lesson from this sacking ….but I doubt it.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 1:52 pm
A cautious person might note these inconsistencies, and wonder if Smith is representing the situation properly.
But of course, look who I am talking to…

It remains a mystery why you are talking to us, who you so openly disdain, and why you are in denial about dear leader. Any disdain shown to you is not merely justified, but in accordance with blog rules.
You’re a jerk.

blogstrop

29 Aug 12 at 1:54 pm
Decent people in and supporting the Labor Party must find this stunning.

but not surprising. For all their class war rhetoric the real nomenklatura today are the union officials.

Cato the Elder

29 Aug 12 at 1:55 pm
I wonder what “code” that old racist Chris Matthews could see in this?

Former Rep. Artur Davis (D-AL), the man who gave one of the nomination speeches for President Barack Obama before becoming a Republican and moving to Virginia, spoke tonight at the Republican National Committee, where he electrified the crowd with a spectacular attack on the presidency of Barack Obama.

Token

29 Aug 12 at 1:57 pm
So in other words, Token, she lied yet again when she held that conference last Thursday to “answer” any questions.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 1:59 pm
Okay these technical issues we’re having today with the Cat site are being addresses and Jacques says the problems should be fixed by tonight, hopefully.
————–
Fingers crossed and everyone think positive thoughts.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 2:01 pm
Michael Smith makes a call for assistance with a few documents he has linked to at his site:

You will recall that Slater and Gordon acted for Blewitt in his purchase of 1/85 Kerr Street Fitzroy, with Bruce Wilson signing all the documentation to effect the sale pursuant to a specific Power of Attorney donated to him by Blewitt.

That Power of Attorney makes the following transaction all the more interesting and difficult to understand on the face of it. Slater and Gordon loaned Ralph Edwin Blewitt an advance of $150,000. The mortgage documents are signed by Bruce Wilson pursuant to the Power of Attorney dated 4 February, 1993. The Mortgage includes a covenant that the information supplied by the Mortgagor (Blewitt) in the “application” for the loan is correct. It says that the loan is conditional on that information being correct. I would be fascinated to see what enquiries Slater and Gordon went to to satisfy itself as to Blewitt’s financial position. Download Mortgage documents

If you are expert in the law that prevailed in Victoria during 1993 in relation to credit providers in these circumstances I wonder if you might be so good as to render an opinion with your credentials included.

Token

29 Aug 12 at 2:03 pm
What sort of evil, disgusting piece of shit votes four times in a legislature to oppose protections to infants who survive botched abortions?

Oh, that’s right, bollocks fucking obongo.

Utterly disgraceful.

Rabz

29 Aug 12 at 2:04 pm
If you are expert in the law that prevailed in Victoria during 1993 in relation to credit providers in these circumstances I wonder if you might be so good as to render an opinion with your credentials included.

Will payment for such services be cash or cheque?

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 2:09 pm
what makes you think it’s 20 years away?

As we discussed last night – around the year 2000 they secured complete power over all of the school curriculum’s, so it’ll take two full generations of kids soaked in their neurosis from Kindergarten to Uni and then achieving positions of power before there will be a critical mass of like minded travellers and soft support from the dis-interested but ruined broader society to allow their ugliness to flourish.

twostix

29 Aug 12 at 2:10 pm
Twostix

I have a theory that in twenty years or so when the next murderous, totalitarian movement rises it will be the white collar middle class occupy supporting twitterati left who will form its backbone.

You pretty much have the base of a non-Islamist totalitarian movement right now in the Green-Left.

But what I don’t see, apart from the anarchist fringe, is too many wannabe totalitarians who would risk a street battle, like the inter-war years fought in Germany between the Communists and the Nazis, or pick up a gun and a bomb like the jihadis everywhere from West Africa to the southern Philippines.

Which I guess is why they are so keen on what is described as post-democratic politics. Lobby groups, front groups and NGOs often subsidised by governments to pressure those same governments or litigate under international rights umbrellas to achieve outcomes that would be impossible at the ballot box.

The end game is presumably the declaration of a Hamiltonian environmental crisis that places elections on hold for the duration ( read ‘forever’ ) and surrenders power to the Wise Philosopher Kings.

Myrrdin Seren

29 Aug 12 at 2:11 pm
A great piece of real-politic by the LNP today.

Step one: Get some low level LNP member to write a powerful “Warning” to Newman that the cuts are important, but Newman must show he’s not out of touch.

Step two: Newman “uses” the article as a springboard to respond telling how much it all hurts and how in touch he is, then articulating some of the positive things he’s done so far.

Step three: Watch as they become the most read article’s on the Courier Mail

Step four: Profit.

twostix

29 Aug 12 at 2:17 pm
So in other words, Token, she lied yet again when she held that conference last Thursday to “answer” any questions.

Quite so.
____________________

Okay these technical issues we’re having today with the Cat site are being addresses and Jacques says the problems should be fixed by tonight, hopefully.

Thanks for the update Gab. Like many around here I find it frustrated when my comments get eaten when I forget to fill in details.

Token

29 Aug 12 at 2:20 pm
SfB has the nerve to call me a bore when his contribution to the thread in the last hour or so has been a link to a story about vagina’s and another about a castration.
You are a perverted, brow beaten misogynist who resents the fact that your contribution to society is limited to providing links to non stories on a libertarian website, while your wife is out in the real world, earning a living and subsidising you to sit on your corpulent arse and annoy people in cyberspace.

How is that wonderful contribution any better than “trolling”

SteveC

29 Aug 12 at 2:21 pm
Ayant droit has a wider range of meaning than you suggest.

Oh? What are those meanings?

Dangph

29 Aug 12 at 2:26 pm
Twostix – that’s why I am serious when I say that the Doctrine offers us the only hope for defanging the Left. When you actually put the Doctrine to people who are frustrated with Leftism’s endless mau-mauing but don’t really see the whole picture, they show genuine interest in the idea. “You mean, we can just ban people like Catherine Deveny and then we don’t have to listen to her gutter talk anymore? Cool!”

Fisky

29 Aug 12 at 2:31 pm
When you actually put the Doctrine to people who are frustrated with Leftism’s endless mau-mauing but don’t really see the whole picture, they show genuine interest in the idea.

I encountered a fair bit of resistance from gentle folk about my plans for Friday Night Punishment Spectaculars until I informed those concerned about the accompanying festivities involving roast meats, hogsheads of ale and firkins of wine cooler. Once people heard “roast meats” I really could have proposed anything.

Infidel Tiger

29 Aug 12 at 2:36 pm
The public service union types that flood the Courier Mail with comments these days really are unhinged:

The public servant haters cannot provide a logical reason as to why public servants must not have job security. Haters, just because YOU do not have job security in YOUR particular private sector job, does not mean that other workers are accessing an undeserved benefit to your detriment. If you haters do not have job security then damn well demand it as a right. But no. No, it is far easier to erode the rights of others because, in your twisted reasoning, taking away rights from others will redress this imagined, confected inequity. Asking for better treatment for yourselves would be too much hard work, right? And you have the nerve to call public servants lazy.

‘Right’ to job security.

This person is so deeply brainwashed I don’t think anything but 5 years of unstable employment could fix it.

They literally do not understand where their salary comes from. They demand job security as a right, and declare those working in the real economy to provide the tax dollars for their public service employment just too lazy to ask for a job security clause?

FMD I think sacking the entire public service and starting again might be a good start.

I’m surprised this same individual doesn’t go into the ASX and demand a 20% return on their superannuation, coupled with a no-capital-loss guarantee. It’s their right, after all.

brc

29 Aug 12 at 2:39 pm
Former Reagan policy adviser looks at the influence of Hayek on Paul Ryan.

Seems to believe Ryan’s views are not nuanced enough.

steve from brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 2:40 pm
Stevie, I thought the Indian ad was hilarious. I lived with an Indian family for a short while once, and they are so communal and upfront about everything, while at the same time being deeply prudish, so everything is done by allusions, looks, winks etc. Loved the finale of the ad where the old folks pour over the computer to try and get their share of the goodies too.

As for the product? Totally useless. It’s strength in the pelvic floor muscles that really counts and is what is at issue here, not some magical shrinkage cream. Nothing needs to shrink. Bollywood dancing would do a lot more good, as dancers have to pull everything up and in. Keep up with the Kegal exercises girls, wonderfully adaptable as they can be excitingly used before, during or after, or in the supermarket queue if no-one is currently oaring your canoe.

End of Public Health lecture; back to Catallaxy.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Aug 12 at 2:44 pm
The public servant haters cannot provide a logical reason as to why public servants must not have job security

I’ll give him a logical reason. Fuck right off.

(Never ever engage in discussion or debate with people with these sorts of ideas.)

This person is so deeply brainwashed I don’t think anything but 5 years of unstable employment could fix it.

Naaaa. Fisk Doctrine.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 2:44 pm
WTF has Jacques done to the site.

Jacques! Fix the thing willya. The site’s fallen and it can’t get up.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 2:47 pm
Token, Mike et al:

1. conflict of interest

It is not a conflict of interest to sleep with your client. It is a breach of ethics and one should, when the relationship starts, seriously consider to cease acting for that client. A conflict can arise if you keep acting and your personal interests become attached to the work.

She did not need to notify her client of the relationship as Wilson was her client! I think he kenw about it! He was at the time the authorised instructor on behalf of AWU, so she’s covered there.

When she discovered the association was fraudulent, she should have ensured her client was aware of it. It seems she knew of it in 9/95 but the AWU did not discover it until the following year. So clearly neither she nor SG did not notify the client of the existence of the fraud. Naughty.

2. credit laws

Are we sure it was a loan to Blewitt? I thought it was a loan to herself to buy her own place. Why would SG loan money to Blewitt? Did they really lend him $150K. For a start that really is unheard of. I’ve never heard of a law firm advancing that sort of money just after the recession in early 90′s. I seems amazing to me. On the credit law side no idea. I have issues with SG both being the mortgagor for the purchase and solicitor for the conveyance. There is a clear conflict issue there. They would need written consent of the client. It would be interesting to see whether any guaranteed the loan.

You can search Vict legislation via Austlii. Most States at that time had a Credit Act.

pete m

29 Aug 12 at 2:47 pm
pete m -

Mortgage/conveyance by same law firm is not unusual then or now. There are plenty of even more complicated arrangements where law firm / client enter into joint ventures.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 2:59 pm
I can’t read the comments on my tablet! I had to get on a bloody computer to see what you guys have been talking about, and can’t smoke at the same time. So this is serious.

DrBeauGan

29 Aug 12 at 3:02 pm
I had to get on a bloody computer to see what you guys have been talking about, and can’t smoke at the same time. So this is serious.

You’re right, it is serious.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 3:09 pm
A bureaucrat writes a reasoned, well argued letter to the Curious Snail:

stopp HAYTING on grublic servents, pryvat sektore meenees!

Gett sum job sekuritee up ya!

Lobotomised Leichhardt Lezzo

29 Aug 12 at 3:10 pm
Wow

She’s cute too.

TAMPA, Fla.— African-American support for the Republican Party has fallen so far that a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll showed Mitt Romney capturing 0.0% of the black vote.

Enter Mia Love, the 36-year-old daughter of Haitian immigrants and a Republican congressional candidate in Utah. Should she win, she would be the first-ever black Republican woman to win a seat in Congress.

I wonder if she’s related to Reggie.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 3:11 pm
Seems to believe Ryan’s views are not nuanced enough.

Steve don’t know about Hayek or anything but 3% increase in spending per year makes the fella look like some Labor Party operative.

kelly liddle

29 Aug 12 at 3:11 pm
Wow

She’s cute too.

TAMPA, Fla.— African-American support for the Republican Party has fallen so far that a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll showed Mitt Romney capturing 0.0% of the black vote.

Enter Mia Love, the 36-year-old daughter of Haitian immigrants and a Republican congressional candidate in Utah. Should she win, she would be the first-ever black Republican woman to win a seat in Congress.

I wonder if she’s related to Reggie.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/08/28/utahs-mia-love-gets-enthusiastic-reception-in-tampa/

JC

29 Aug 12 at 3:12 pm
JC
What is wrong with you today I think that Mia chick is cute too. Means you are agreeing with me again.

kelly liddle

29 Aug 12 at 3:13 pm
SHARK nets probably won’t be adopted at West Australian beaches, with Premier Colin Barnett saying swimmers can feel safe between the flags in patrolled areas.

Good. Shark nets don’t work to deter sharks anyway.

Pro shark bullshit.

Gab is pro shark attack.

This is your Willie Horton moment.

.

29 Aug 12 at 3:15 pm
Fuuuck

The gal actually survived an abortion!

The conservative Susan B. Anthony List is poised to embark on a TV ad campaign challenging Barack Obama’s record on abortion, an official with the group tells POLITICO.

The initial ad is a $150,000 buy in Missouri, and shows a woman –Melissa Ohden – speaking to the camera about having been born alive in spite of an abortion procedure.

Abortion opponents have long decried Obama’s record in the Illinois legislature on regulating late-term abortions, but little money has been spent to advertise on the issue since he became president.

That’s a seriously close call.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 3:16 pm
Test

Sinclair Davidson

29 Aug 12 at 3:17 pm
Shut up Kelly. Get back in the cab.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 3:17 pm
Talking about living off the public purse, Ireland’s House of Representative has over 160 MPs with average salaries of $120K. 160+ MP for a population the size of Melbourne or Sydney. Thats just sitting MPs, add the rest of the public service and they wonder why the country is fucked.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 3:17 pm
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/sba-list-to-launch-missouri-ads-against-obama-on-abortion-133435.html

JC

29 Aug 12 at 3:18 pm
How is that wonderful contribution any better than “trolling”

See Catallaxy instructions on trolls. How you can be still here is enough of a mystery, why you do it is a matter for conjecture, but don’t expect anyone to be nice.

blogstrop

29 Aug 12 at 3:21 pm
Yes, it’s been very testing here today at the Cat, Sinclair with all these technical difficulties. Jacques on the case though.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 3:22 pm
WTF when I try to access Catallaxy I have been getting a “site closed for maintenance message” all day, but can get in off a link to a specific post on another site.

Rafe

29 Aug 12 at 3:23 pm
Pete M,

To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle. – Confucius

Dan

29 Aug 12 at 3:23 pm
On a serious note. I don’t know if it is true, but if it is the Kenyan deserves his backside kicked all the way back to Chicago and then some more.

The gal in the ad says that the fucker voted not once but 4 times against assisting kids aborted and still alive.

Now you can have all sorts of views on abortion, but if a kid manages to survive and is alive it’s downright fucking murder not to assist.

How does the Kenyan’s voting record not make him worse that the Missouri candidate if her claim is true?

JC

29 Aug 12 at 3:23 pm
The future first lady looks really good as a first lady should.

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/FSjJsg.VowenkmR7rer61w–/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zOTM7cT04NTt3PTUxMg–/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2012-08-29T021620Z_595359871_TB3E88T06B0N6_RTRMADP_3_USA-CAMPAIGN.JPG

JC

29 Aug 12 at 3:26 pm
Plibersek has just been on ABC 702 local radio banging on about the dental scheme she’s announcing (for after they leave government). In response to the point about it being unfunded she went on about the $33b they’d found in the last budget and the $100b they’d found the year before – but they’re still basically adding to the debt on so many fronts, so how does that figure as a positive? Swannynomics.

blogstrop

29 Aug 12 at 3:27 pm
I encountered a fair bit of resistance from gentle folk about my plans for Friday Night Punishment Spectaculars until I informed those concerned about the accompanying festivities involving roast meats, hogsheads of ale and firkins of wine cooler. Once people heard “roast meats” I really could have proposed anything.

Entertainment and instruction; bring your family and friends along.

dover_beach

29 Aug 12 at 3:27 pm
Plibersek has just been on ABC 702 local radio banging on about the dental scheme she’s announcing (for after they leave government).

Well, we are one step away from free contraceptives

dover_beach

29 Aug 12 at 3:29 pm
JC
I am nowhere near a cab will be in Thailand for a bit over a week. So yes can annoy you for a bit.

kelly liddle

29 Aug 12 at 3:33 pm
Well, we are one step away from free contraceptives

… Monty celebrates in his Richmond bedsit that oneday he will lose his virginity safely.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 3:34 pm
Rafe
Must be that Aus censorship thing in action.

kelly liddle

29 Aug 12 at 3:34 pm
So they’re pushing a dental scheme, a disability scheme and sorts of other shit.

Is it rude to ask where the is the money coming from?

JC

29 Aug 12 at 3:35 pm
Morgan Poll August 2012
FEDERAL L-NP LEADS IN ALL STATES IN AUGUST
NSW: L-NP(54.5%) CF ALP(45.5%);
VIC: L-NP(52%) CF ALP(48%);
QLD: LNP(60.5%) CF ALP(39.5%);
WA: L-NP(61.5%) CF ALP(38.5%);
SA: L-NP(57%) CF ALP(43%);
TAS: L-NP(52%) CF ALP(48%)

Rudiau

29 Aug 12 at 3:36 pm
Well, we are one step away from free contraceptives

… Monty celebrates in his Richmond bedsit that oneday he will lose his virginity safely.

lol… and what difference does it make to you monster? How about eggsactly none.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 3:37 pm
The future first lady looks really good as a first lady should.

Well, she certainly doesn’t look like she hails from the planet Kashyyyk…

Rabz

29 Aug 12 at 3:38 pm
Well I guess she’s sorta honest.

School: Teacher Helps Students Cheat Because She Says They’re ‘Dumb As Hell’

JC

29 Aug 12 at 3:40 pm
Well, we are one step away from free contraceptives

Monty assuming JC’s quote is correct just go down to a street corner and ask for a Dollar for safe sex. I would give a dollar for that if only for the fact it is an original begging position.

kelly liddle

29 Aug 12 at 3:42 pm
TAS: L-NP(52%) CF ALP(48%)

hahahahahahha you gotta fucking laugh.

Seriously… and I am.. throw them out of the fucking commonwealth. Chuck’em out.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 3:42 pm
Trader’s blog talking about Christie making a really good speech at the convention. Hope it’s true.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 3:45 pm
I love you PM bububut it wasn’t me.

Rudiau

29 Aug 12 at 3:46 pm
Smith had been charged with willful neglect and immorality, and she subsequently lost her job.

Wow, for helping primary school kids! The world has gone mad!

[Hmmm...maybe thats how Odumbo graduated from Harvard]

nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 3:47 pm
JC –
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/28/christie-rallies-gop-in-keynote-speech-emphasizes-respect-over-desire-to-be/

nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 3:50 pm
Is it rude to ask where the is the money coming from?

That’s a bit like the “who is the schmuck ?” question.

If you have to ask, it’s probably you.

Keith

29 Aug 12 at 3:51 pm
TAS: L-NP(52%) CF ALP(48%)

hahahahahahha you gotta fucking laugh.

And they have a significantly disproportionate number of lower house seats – a Labor gerrymander

Lazlo

29 Aug 12 at 3:52 pm
Explain Lazlo.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 3:55 pm
Is Homer getting increasingly obnoxious or what?

http://www.harryrclarke.com/2012/08/16/plain-packaging-case-success/comment-page-1/#comment-27762

He really needs a kick up the backside

jtfsoon

29 Aug 12 at 3:59 pm
LOL, I am so inside the heads of you lot that you have a conversation with me when I’m not here.

m0nty

29 Aug 12 at 4:06 pm
Homer and rog; peas in a pod.

dover_beach

29 Aug 12 at 4:07 pm
Two headlines in a row

Greens call for Tas electric car industry:

3:56PM AUSTRALIA should start converting its petrol-guzzlers into electric cars, a Greens candidate for the federal election says.

GM to idle production of Volt hybrid:

3:50PM GENERAL Motors is to suspend production of its Volt hybrid car, the vehicle once touted as the future of the US car giant, the Wall Street Journal reported.

Cherry-picking Losers.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 4:11 pm
Jase

I’ve noticed and it’s not a good look for him. He now seems to be be hanging sites where his rank stupidity gets a hearing (Harry’s blog, where else). Because he’s no longer reminded just how moronic and mentally simple he is he’s getting a big head.

I still want to short the bank he claims to be working for even if he’s the janitor there which is more than likely.

He’s also making a huge strategic mistake. We all used to feel sorry for him, save for say Fisky who never gave him the time of day. He doesn’t want to move from that to people feeling contempt. That just won’t work out well at all.

Homer, I know you’re reading this. You’d better stop it right now, you abysmal moron. Take a few breaths and remind yourself about the Skanke ho fiasco.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 4:12 pm
Homer and rog; peas in a pod.

Oh yea, Miss Wodger is there too trying to sink the boot in when he thinks it’s safe. Little coward.

He’s actually far far more contemptible than stupid Homer in some ways though not all. Getting thrown out of 9th grade wouldn’t help I’m guessing.

Harry seems to be attracting quite a talented and interesting following from what I see. That’s what you get trawling through mental institutions.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 4:17 pm
These well-meaning piccaninnies realise the big lady’s not for eating, right?

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 4:18 pm
Cherry-picking Losers.

Well why not we support the Americans don’t we and wouldn’t give the Jap crap an inch (Julia and Tony love their Holdins). Toyota will be the car of choice for taxi’s in Australia in a year or 2 if it hasn’t already reached majority. And yes many of them are hybrids. More new cars sold in Aus are made in Thailand than Aus seems that backward counry is ahead of us.

kelly liddle

29 Aug 12 at 4:19 pm
DRUDGE: Chinese communist media slam Romney, endorse Obama.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 4:25 pm
Michael Smith is very interesting reading. So Gillard knew at least a month before her sacking what Wilson was up to and didn’t say anything.

So, August 4, 1995 and Wilson has been sprung for the AWU Members’ Welfare Association No1 account activities…

So Wilson is still represented by Slater and Gordon. The Victorian AWU Accounts are frozen at this stage. It would have made paying the bills difficult.

Wilson is now under formal notice that he is being charged internally with the charges being referred to police. According to Cambridge’s affidavit he receives advice from Slater and Gordon.

Wilson and Ms Gillard know what happened when they went away together. Wilson knows what advice was given to him by Ms Gillard. Ms Gillard should have been aware that Wilson was being charged with serious fraud matters by his employer and that the charges were being referred to police.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 4:26 pm
The average size of federal electorates in Tas, as measured by number of voters, is significantly smaller than those on the mainland. They are about threee quarters the size. Thus Tas is over-represented in the House of Reps.

And then of course there is the Senate, but that’s another story.

Lazlo

29 Aug 12 at 4:28 pm
Sorry about the bustedness today, everyone. The move is not going as smoothly as might have been hoped.

Jacques Chester

29 Aug 12 at 4:29 pm
I wonder if The Goose made it to KRuddy’s Gough book launch. It might have been a bit awkward:

However for too long, Kevin Rudd has been putting his own self-interest ahead of the interests of the broader Labor movement and the country as a whole, and that needs to stop. …

For the interests of the Labor movement and of working people, there is too much at stake in our economy and in the political debate for the interests of the Labor movement and working people to be damaged by somebody who does not hold any Labor values.

Fortunately Labor, like most lefties, has a strong tradition of re-writing history.

H B Bear

29 Aug 12 at 4:31 pm
The Shady Bunch

Rudiau

29 Aug 12 at 4:34 pm
Kevin Rudd has been putting his … interest ahead of the interests of the … the country as a whole, and that needs to stop

Don’t know where the original quote is from but didn’t this person realise that Kev is a politician and self interest will come first. Next we will be calling for the second comming of Christ and for Tones to not care about self interest only the country. Maybe I have woken up in some Marxist theoretical world where everything is perfect.

kelly liddle

29 Aug 12 at 4:40 pm
Both quotes are Wayne Swansteen. About the only time he has been right about anything.

H B Bear

29 Aug 12 at 4:43 pm
well-meaning piccaninnies

CL’s 1950′s soul on display again.

Very condescending in the context here particularly.

steve from brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 4:45 pm
There’s no apostrophe in 1950s, Steve.

Second, analysis of language and soul is somewhat risible coming from somebody who famously mocked a girl hospitalised after being thrown from her horse.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 4:51 pm
Horses were being mocked, not the girl.

There was much more poor taste on display here yesterday evening re the Corrie death than I ever manage, by the way.

steve from brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 4:57 pm
There’s no apostrophe in 1950s, Steve.

sfb, don’t bring a wet paper bag to a gun-fight.

dover_beach

29 Aug 12 at 4:58 pm
Is there an admission fee, IT? Can you bring along someone you don’t like to throw on the fire, for example?

Winston SMITH

29 Aug 12 at 4:58 pm
QLD: LNP(60.5%) CF ALP(39.5%);

Yeah, ’cause Campbelll Newman has destroyed the LNP vote with his cost-cutting!

Depending on how the Sep 11 budget is received, Rudd might be an outside chance to keep his seat! I see it now – Newman is actually a Rudd operative – achieving Rudd resurgence through the application of ‘fiscal conservative’ actions.

brc

29 Aug 12 at 4:59 pm
However for too long, kevni ruff has been putting his own self-interest ahead of the interests of the broader laybore movement and the country as a whole, and that needs to stop.

For the interests of the laybore movement and of working people, there is too much at stake in our economy and in the political debate for the interests of the laybore movement and working people to be damaged by somebody who does not hold any laybore values.

Wonderful words from the World’s greatest goose.

Ruff should blast that li’l missive at top note in the emerson memorial whyalla wipeout courtyard when he re-ascends to the Prime Monstership…

Rabz

29 Aug 12 at 4:59 pm
poor taste on display here yesterday evening re the Corrie death

I have to agree. Silly, stupid girl; but a horrible way to go.

dover_beach

29 Aug 12 at 5:00 pm
Re Volt : funny how governments can’t compete effectively in the car-creating business.

Volt – the 21st Century Trabant for Government Motors.

Honestly, I could have told them that nobody was going to buy a family car priced 10-20k above the competition, no matter how much boot space was taken away by batteries.

Toyota has sewn up the ‘smug buyers’ market with the Prius, just as they have sewn up the tradie market with the Hilux. Honda built an almost identical looking car and still couldn’t shift it. GM had no hope.

brc

29 Aug 12 at 5:02 pm
Well thank the stars we have SFB here as a moral compass.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 5:03 pm
Thus Tas is over-represented in the House of Reps.

You would need to increase the size of the House by about 30% to fix that problem. Not likely to get too much suport here for that idea, I would think.

SteveC

29 Aug 12 at 5:03 pm
I wonder how the most media-savvy, socially connected generation in history will record the moment when the nets drop on them for IT’s Friday Night Punishment Spectaculars ?

Tweeting

#FiskDoctrine

#Tiger’s FNPS

other votes for hashtags being tweeted as they are marched into the arenas ?

Myrrdin Seren

29 Aug 12 at 5:04 pm
Speaking of Swan and Rudd:

Political foes Wayne Swan and Kevin Rudd set sights on true enemy: Campbell Newman

Ahead of the Federal Election due next year, Labor is stepping up its attempts to try to link Opposition Leader Tony Abbott to Premier Newman’s moves to cut jobs.

Mr Rudd said the “good people of Queensland” were discovering what it meant to “take a conservative leader on trust”, adding that increasingly Australia would come to the same realisation.

Labor insiders believe the tactic will help the party claw back votes, particularly in Queensland.

Wayne Swan described Kevin Rudd among other things as a “psycopath” and threatened to bring the government down if Rudd was leader again.

Yet the papers print this utterly debased theater unashamedly.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/political-foes-wayne-swan-and-kevin-rudd-set-sights-on-true-enemy/story-fndo45r1-1226460271810

twostix

29 Aug 12 at 5:06 pm
Does anyone know if Treasury has worked out where it is going to fund 10 billion of new spending in addition to catering for a 10 billion decline in revenue?

Maybe we can just fire up the printers at the Australian Mint.

Quentin George

29 Aug 12 at 5:06 pm
Winners:

QLD: LNP(60.5%) CF ALP(39.5%);
WA: L-NP(61.5%) CF ALP(38.5%);

Losers:

VIC: L-NP(52%) CF ALP(48%)
TAS: L-NP(52%) CF ALP(48%)

Infidel Tiger

29 Aug 12 at 5:09 pm
I must admit, the Labor Party is sounding a little bit too much like Romney at the moment: claiming an ability to spend and save.

But all will be revealed in due course…

steve from brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 5:11 pm
Millions to get free care under $4b dental reform package

Plibersek is all over the ALPBC with yet another unfunded promise to be delivered after the next election. Only someone from the collective could describe a $4bn government program as free.

New Australians who have problems with pork might find the next 12 months particularly difficult.

H B Bear

29 Aug 12 at 5:12 pm
You would need to increase the size of the House by about 30% to fix that problem. Not likely to get too much suport here for that idea, I would think.

No. You reduce the number of seats in Tasmania, which are all currently ALP + Wilkie. That would get support here..

Lazlo

29 Aug 12 at 5:15 pm
Tasmania has more in common with New Zealand. Let them have it.

H B Bear

29 Aug 12 at 5:16 pm
Does anyone know if Treasury has worked out where it is going to fund 10 billion of new spending in addition to catering for a 10 billion decline in revenue?

Mark Dreyfus told Ross Greenwood last night it was all going to be ok as Europe is going to come out of recession and be powering along so the carbon price will go up to the Treasury levels, seriously.

When asked if it won’t, he said it will.

These guys know they won’t have the Treasury benches in 18 months and are conducting scortched earth tactics and with the Dental scheme, NDIS, Gonski, etc.

Token

29 Aug 12 at 5:16 pm
I must admit I find it hard to understand Labors logic over the “sacking public servants” scare campaign….

1) Canberra is safe Labor anyway so stirring the troops up there won’t achieve anything electorally

2) Federal public servants would mostly lean Labor anyway

3) Slashing public service “fat cats” will probably go down well with Joe Public anyway

4) Rudd himself came to office witha pledge to slash the APS. So Abbott can just ask why it was good then but evil now??

MDMConnell

29 Aug 12 at 5:19 pm
claiming an ability to spend and save.

Shitfer, if we fired 100,000 public servants, not only would it be very funny there would be so much spare money we could all get gold teeth.

Infidel Tiger

29 Aug 12 at 5:19 pm
These guys know they won’t have the Treasury benches in 18 months and are conducting scortched earth tactics and with the Dental scheme, NDIS, Gonski, etc.

It’s almost worth voting them back in for an Anna Bligh, Keating L-A-W moment. But the joke has gone on long enough.

H B Bear

29 Aug 12 at 5:20 pm
You would need to increase the size of the House by about 30% to fix that problem. Not likely to get too much suport here for that idea, I would think.

Steve you mental midget, the number of Reps seats for Tassie would be REDUCED.
That would be an idea that would be celebrated around these parts.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

29 Aug 12 at 5:20 pm
Sorry Lazlo, SNAP. You posted while I was trying to get my comment submitted.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

29 Aug 12 at 5:23 pm
The Department has received several complaints from people who have been contacted and told they are eligible for grants of up to $100,000 for mortgage assistance, under the Household Assistance Package.

Well, I’m shocked, shocked I tells ya – who would evah attempt to scam the recipients of laybore pardee handouts?

Rabz

29 Aug 12 at 5:26 pm
Does anyone know if Treasury has worked out where it is going to fund 10 billion of new spending in addition to catering for a 10 billion decline in revenue?

Ummm it isn’t there job to balance the budget that is actually what we elect governments to do.

kelly liddle

29 Aug 12 at 5:27 pm
Is there anything Gillard can’t stuff up?

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/who_was_that_muscled_man/

Infidel Tiger

29 Aug 12 at 5:33 pm
Ummm it isn’t there job to balance the budget that is actually what we elect governments to do.

You’re the master of stating the bleedin’ obvious and taking up space, but without even answering the question. Congratulations, you have graduated from the Gillardian Skool of Not Answering Questions.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 5:33 pm
I get really embarrassed having Gillard as PM, but then I see what Americans have to put up with.

Obama sneezes while defending Obamacare; blames it on Republicans

Keith

29 Aug 12 at 5:37 pm
Gab
If the question was how can the government cut spending that is an easy one to answer. Health, education and other welfare are all expansionary so just put a stop to it. Yes means the opposition would have to cut back on their promises too. Nobody asked me if I wanted more wasteful spending.

kelly liddle

29 Aug 12 at 5:41 pm
Good line by Ann Romney.

Mitt will not fail you. Ouch!

JC

29 Aug 12 at 5:41 pm
Lol… Yea julius. It’s cutting costs razor gang style.

Shut the fuck up you uncontainable moron. We’ve had enough of your moronic stands. Seriously, just fuck off.

You’re not smart enough to be here.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 5:46 pm
The new dental scheme actually saves money because it axes the failed and rorted Abbott scheme, so yet another skillfull policy shift.

aka leftists spending other peoples’ money saves money trope

Jamesk

29 Aug 12 at 5:48 pm
Lazlo and Chucklehead. Yes, but would need to change the constitution, which requires a minimum of 5 seats for all original states. Maybe worth checking next time before determining ones mental midgetness.

SteveC

29 Aug 12 at 5:49 pm
The new dental scheme actually saves money because it axes the failed and rorted Abbott scheme, so yet another skillful policy shift.

How excellent the ALP is going to outdo the coalition on fiscal conservatism. I await to see the new expanded dental scheme at lower cost.

kelly liddle

29 Aug 12 at 5:49 pm
Moderator

Any chance of swapping Homer for Julius in a sort of prisoner exchange. Homer was the stupidest poster here until he was banned for rank idiocy. But no one beats this idiot, sheltered workshop escapee, Julius who recently appeared.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 5:50 pm
But no one beats this idiot

JC I appreciate the compliment I think you have put me in a simular category before so now I know I am not the worst.

kelly liddle

29 Aug 12 at 5:52 pm
Lazlo and Chucklehead. Yes, but would need to change the constitution, which requires a minimum of 5 seats for all original states. Maybe worth checking next time before determining ones mental midgetness.

We’re going to be stringing you and your friends up like pinátas and whacking you like rented mules come the revolution. You think we give a fire truck about the constitution?

Infidel Tiger

29 Aug 12 at 5:53 pm
This man will not fail.

Sound bite of the day and it will resonate for some time to come I suspect.

Perhaps all the way to November.

Whoever wrote her speech knew that was a killer line and she delivered it forcefully.

Jamesk

29 Aug 12 at 5:54 pm
The government has failed to say how it will fund the new $4 billion scheme

It’s about now that the resident idiots start talking about the ‘$10 billion coalition black hole’

$5b for Gonski, $1b for extra refugees, $4b for NDIS, $4b for teeth, pretty soon you’re talking real black holes. Throw on a carbon tax revenue collapse and we’ve finally defined a ‘structural black hole’.

brc

29 Aug 12 at 5:58 pm
Ah, I love it as a troll slowly reveals himself:

Stupid:

Meanwhile Newman has ‘slid back’ on job cuts in Queensland.

From 20k plus to under 15k.

Yes, ‘Juliars arse’ fell for the oldest political trick in the book

Ignorant:

Moreover, half the increases in public servants under Labor were in Health and that was because there was a huge public demand for better health services.

Well, ALP had completely effed up Q-health. They ‘fixed’ this by putting health workers on contract and bloating the admin staff numbers. The system is rotten to the core: new admin staff get 3 months probation, nurses and doctors get SIX!

Rabid anti-semitic Jew-hater:

Corrie was standing in front of the bulldozer when the hate-filled driver mowed her down.

Da Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos dunnit!

Conspiracy Whackjob:

Howard established the bipartisan shift to an Australian police state after 911.

Speaks for itself

Howling racist:

Obama: the black dog?

Juliars-arse “don’t like them darkies” do he? He and Les the racist kiddie are looking like a mated pair. Is he les’s catamite?

Mk50 of Brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 6:00 pm
Hahahahahahahahhahahaah

She isn’t even going. The Kenyan’s convention sounds empty.

For globe-trotting Hillary, Democratic convention not on itinerary

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/globe-trotting-hillary-democratic-convention-not-itinerary-211946898.html

JC

29 Aug 12 at 6:03 pm
This makes a very strong argument for the mooted merger between Victoria and Tasmania…

Lazlo

29 Aug 12 at 6:04 pm
Lazlo and Chucklehead. Yes, but would need to change the constitution, which requires a minimum of 5 seats for all original states. Maybe worth checking next time before determining ones mental midgetness.

Steve you pea brain. Was that not the conversation?
The discussion was about changing the constitution to reduce the over representation that the mendicant state has.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

29 Aug 12 at 6:05 pm
I did not realise that suspending the constitution was part of libertarian thinking, but given the way it has been bastardised and sodomised by the High Court decisions recently, it id hard to find a valid argument against your suggestion. Particularly since children really love the pinàtas and they also love donkey rides.
So yeah, count me in

WhaleHunt Fun

29 Aug 12 at 6:06 pm
JC

Yes, that is true about the Preshizzle (PACO™) Odumbugger.

He voted four times to ensure that babies born alive after botched murder attempts (what is a full-term abortion but murder?) were to be: Left. To. Die.

Living, breathing, crying completely helpless and utterly innocent newborn babies.

Four times the swine voted ‘kill the baby’. Most often they were thrown, alive, into the garbage to die of exposure, thirst or to be crushed in a compactor.

The left has no problem with murdering newborns.

Mk50 of Brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 6:07 pm
To fix Tasmania, why not make it independent, and let the avalanche of Green Jobs turn it into a primitive hunter gatherer paradise when the Mainland financial suuport is cut. They can undamn all the nasty hydro schemes to get rid the elcetricity the Greens hate and of course they have already virtually driven forestry to extinction.

WhaleHunt Fun

29 Aug 12 at 6:15 pm
What is the maximum number of decades old that a leftie foetus can be and still be legally aborted. I am sure that Krudd would fall within a leftie guideline but Gough might escape

WhaleHunt Fun

29 Aug 12 at 6:19 pm
I have no insight at all into the mind of someone who attempts a third-trimester abortion. I normally don’t comment on abortion – but the story of the woman speaking out who was alive after being aborted really got to me. Who on this earth tries to get rid of a baby in the third trimester, and why on earth do they do it? How do you carry a baby for 6 months and *then* decide you don’t want it after all? And if a baby somehow makes it through an abortion procedure – I think it’s proven a life has started and deserves to live.

brc

29 Aug 12 at 6:23 pm
Why are the anti-abortion nuts allowed to run riot here?

coz

29 Aug 12 at 6:29 pm
I’m thinking of getting out of Tasmania, the ghastly gentrification thing seems to have taken hold bringing the over-precious dobber mentality. Some guy’s been filming people not picking up their dog poo (probably at an off the leash area, where no-one cares) and sending the videos to da local council in Burnie, demanding these people are punished, and that’s just one example of preciousness.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 6:36 pm
Abortion is a difficult moral question, at least for most people. So you do not have to be nuts to oppose it or support it.

WhaleHunt Fun

29 Aug 12 at 6:37 pm
Punished by …?
Having their dog poo taken from them, and given to the guy who complained as a sort of spotters fee … by post … into his letter box

WhaleHunt Fun

29 Aug 12 at 6:42 pm
On a lighter note.
Sunday drive with the missus

Run you stick bastards.

Rudiau

29 Aug 12 at 6:50 pm
It’s like an Opus Dei infiltration though, it’s was bad enuf just having Johnny one note (CL) banging on about it, now there’s these ‘new’ people like JamesK, whalehunt and brc banging their gongs.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 6:54 pm
brc.

It’s about now that the resident idiots start talking about the ‘$10 billion coalition black hole’

$5b for Gonski, $1b for extra refugees, $4b for NDIS, $4b for teeth, pretty soon you’re talking real black holes. Throw on a carbon tax revenue collapse and we’ve finally defined a ‘structural black hole’.

Answer to the black hole here.

Rudiau

29 Aug 12 at 6:55 pm
Monty is delusional if he thinks that “nut jobs” care one whit about J E Gillard’s opinion of them!

Jazza

29 Aug 12 at 6:55 pm
I know of a bunch of Alternative Retirees who moved to Tassie, I gathered it must be a high class Nimbinesque retirement lifestyle.

Civilizations have been more productive living in deserts.

Dan

29 Aug 12 at 6:56 pm
I’m thinking of getting out of Tasmania, the ghastly gentrification thing seems to have taken hold bringing the over-precious dobber mentality

Are you thinking of going Ted Kaczynski Coz?

What gentrification are you talking about. It’s just a bunch of imbreds that bought the greenslime line.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 6:58 pm
Catallaxians, help me out here. There’s a question which is bugging me, and I can’t get it out of my mind.

Is cow tipping possible?

Some people on the internetz claim to have personally witnessed this activity (generally following the consumption of a large amount of liquor by a group of young blokes in the country).

But scientific experts claim that cows normally sit down to sleep; and anyway, even if one was standing, it’s weight and low centre of gravity would make tipping over rather hard.

Who’s right — the witnesses or the boffins? Can someone who grew up on a farm resolve this?

Piett

29 Aug 12 at 7:03 pm
Is cow tipping possible?

No it not. It’s bullshit.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 7:07 pm
Dan – ‘I know of a bunch of Alternative Retirees who moved to Tassie, I gathered it must be a high class Nimbinesque retirement lifestyle.

Civilizations have been more productive living in deserts.’

yeah it’s getting nimbinesque here, or queer eye for the straight country town, cos the nth coast has water views, there’s been all this tizzying up of the waterfronts and two story buildings going up to take advantage of the views and ‘art’ galleries opening up, bleh. Once that crowd moves in….

I already lived thru this tizzying up in Perth and Albany, they used to have sleepy neglected waterfronts where people walked there dogs and even exercised horses (in Albany anyway) with inpugnity, then somehow it becomes necessary to have a big entertainment centre and shops and restaurants on the waterfront and the customary users are shafted in favour of the culture vultures and foodies.

It’ll probably take 3 years to sell my property anyway, that’s standard for rural small acreages, but yeah, I think I’ve had enuf.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 7:14 pm
Why are the anti-abortion nuts allowed to run riot here?

You think people opposed to late term abortion are “nuts”?

Abortion in Australia:
” For third trimester or late-term abortions, 6 per cent said it should be outright lawful while 42 per cent said it depended on circumstances and 48 per cent said it should be unlawful”

90% of the population are “Nuts” – so sayeth coz the resident oddball.

twostix

29 Aug 12 at 7:23 pm
Is coz a father?
I hope not.

Jumpnmcar

29 Aug 12 at 7:25 pm
No. I’m a woman who grew up with a mother who complained daily about childbirth induced incontinence and who went on to develop osteoporosis due to donating bone tissue to foetii.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 7:28 pm
Lots of women lose teeth as well, or have weakened teeth from the tissue donation involved in childbirth.

Women aren’t actually made of rubber and it’s not like taking a dump.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 7:36 pm
OK, so coz won’t breed. I’ll settle for that.

blogstrop

29 Aug 12 at 7:40 pm
Touching stories, coz. You should write Hallmark Cards.

Infidel Tiger

29 Aug 12 at 7:41 pm
No. I’m a woman who grew up with a mother who complained daily about childbirth induced incontinence and who went on to develop osteoporosis due to donating bone tissue to foetii.

Your mother complained to you that you caused her incontinence daily?

No wonder you’re fucked up.

twostix

29 Aug 12 at 7:42 pm
Calcium and iron Dudette.
Don’t blame the child for the parents deficiencies or lack of preparation.

jumpnmcar

29 Aug 12 at 7:43 pm
I’m fortunate in having been married to a real woman. Only way to go. They (usually) want a lot of children, then some more, and have to be stopped by some means, logic or circumstances. It’s almost as if wanting more kids was analogous to men wanting more women.

blogstrop

29 Aug 12 at 7:45 pm
Every pro-abortion wacko I’ve ever encountered online is always more or less the same. They’re always damaged in some way and filled with resentment – especially resentment of the fecund.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 7:47 pm
Your mother complained to you that you caused her incontinence daily? No wonder you’re fucked up.

ROFLMAO!

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 7:47 pm
MSNBC airbrushes non-whites:

MSNBC cuts every speech made by a minority from RNC speech coverage.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 7:50 pm
I know plenty of people who aren’t anti-abortion … None of them is pro-abortion.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 7:51 pm
Sorry about the bustedness today, everyone. The move is not going as smoothly as might have been hoped.

Thanks Jacques, and I’m sorry I’m such a stroppy bastard. Wholesale site changes never run smoothly.

blogstrop

29 Aug 12 at 7:51 pm
Well thank the stars we have SFB here as a moral compass.

Him, and Nanny Roxon.

dover_beach

29 Aug 12 at 7:54 pm
Your mother complained to you that you caused her incontinence daily?

No wonder you’re fucked up.

No, not me, my older brother was a breech birth. I suppose you’d class her as ‘too posh to push’, when in fact she should have had a Caesarian.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 7:55 pm
As recently discussed here, Obama wouldn’t pay for his brother’s (modest) medical bills.

In contrast:

“It seems that everyone who has known him has a tale of his altruism,” the authors write. I was struck by the story of a Mormon family called (unfortunately) Nixon. In the 1990s a car wreck rendered two of their boys quadriplegics. Drained financially from extraordinary expenses, Mr. Nixon got a call from Romney, whom he barely knew, asking if he could stop by on Christmas Eve. When the day came, all the Romneys arrived bearing presents, including a VCR and a new sound system the Romney boys set up. Later Romney told Nixon that he could take care of the children’s college tuition, which in the end proved unnecessary. “I knew how busy he was,” Nixon told the authors. “He was actually teaching his boys, saying, ‘This is what we do. We do this as a family.’ ”

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 7:56 pm
RUDD LEAKS ON GILLARD

The information we receive is not, as Gillard maintains, coming from the Coalition. We have never spoken to, or received any information from, that source. The information is coming from past and current employees and clients of Slater & Gordon, ex-AWU officials, ALP backbenchers, second hand material originally from Kevin Rudd’s office and a legal source in Sydney.

Fight you b*stards, fight.

Rudiau

29 Aug 12 at 7:58 pm
CL Every pro-abortion wacko I’ve ever encountered online is always more or less the same. They’re always damaged in some way and filled with resentment – especially resentment of the fecund.

Every anti abortian wacko I’ve ever encountered is always the same, largely catholic hypocrite women haters who think women are just cows, if one dies or is damaged in childbirth, just get yourself another one.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 7:58 pm
I don’t recall anyone mentioning the constitution Chuckles. Lazlo said Tas was over-represented in the House of Reps. The simple solution would be to increase the size of the house. Reducing the number of reps for Tas below 5 would require Tas to vote in favour of that change, which seems unlikely. But then a merger of Tas and Vic also seems unlikely so I guess we are in the realm of “imagine if” now anyway.

SteveC

29 Aug 12 at 8:00 pm
I know plenty of people who aren’t anti-abortion … None of them is pro-abortion.

There are no such people.

There are brainwashed Clintonian casuists, insincere Hi-Alanists and weathervane sophists, though, sure.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 8:04 pm
Speaking of Mia Love:

Update: Via Instapundit, someone is in the process of trying to deface Mia Love’s Wikipedia page, calling her a “ a dirty, worthless whore who sold out her soul in the name of big business ….” and in a later attempted edit, “She is also a whore, and hopefully the editor who reverts this hates her as much as I now do.”

H/T: Legal Insurrection

dover_beach

29 Aug 12 at 8:05 pm
Romney does seem a genuinely nice person and someone you’d like to meet. There was something disingenuous about Obama from the start for me. Of course I know neither so …

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 8:07 pm
The only person who seems to talk of women in bovine terms is you, coz.

You seem to have inherited your mother’s incontinence, but without anything sentient to show for it.

Now shoosh.

Shoo.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 8:09 pm
The only person who seems to talk of women in bovine terms is you, coz
… and Grahame Morris

SteveC

29 Aug 12 at 8:12 pm
I see that the leftards are still in flat-out gibbermode on St Pancake.

But remember this?

The day leftards held a Pancake day… for Rachel Corrie?

Mk50 of Brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 8:13 pm
Fight you b*stards, fight.

No matter which one wins, this is the last job Jules will ever have.

lotocoti

29 Aug 12 at 8:13 pm
I’m not sure what message the Opus Dei infiltraters are trying to send, is it that women are sub human and simply a sexual and breeding commodity to be dispensed with at will?

I’m really not that interested in men’s opinion of abortion, and I think they should pipe down. They aren’t donating anything more than one sperm which has no long term or serious physical consequences, whereas women donate actual bodily/bone tissue and go through some fairly severe bodily changes.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 8:14 pm
No, not me, my older brother was a breech birth. I suppose you’d class her as ‘too posh to push’, when in fact she should have had a Caesarian.

Actually, the thing you want to fight against is public healthcare, by the sounds of it.

brc

29 Aug 12 at 8:15 pm
Now for something different : bicycle thieves get given an economic analysis:

what happens to stolen bicycles

brc

29 Aug 12 at 8:16 pm
MSNBC airbrushes non-whites

MSNBC cuts every speech made by a minority from RNC speech coverage

Just despicable. They really are scum.

dover_beach

29 Aug 12 at 8:19 pm
Coz

If you stopped the heavy drinking you’d probably enjoy life a little more. You sound fucking miserable.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 8:20 pm
Every anti abortian wacko I’ve ever encountered is always the same, largely catholic hypocrite women haters who think women are just cows, if one dies or is damaged in childbirth, just get yourself another one.

Cripes, Coz. You are one seriously, seriously messed up dude.

Not to mention an offensive creep.

Mk50 of Brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 8:22 pm
No matter which one wins, this is the last job Jules will ever have.

Think of the prestige S&G could muster making an ex PM a
senior partner.

Rudiau

29 Aug 12 at 8:22 pm
Personally, I’m all for women producing lots of sprogs so long as they farm them out to nannies and the like asap so as they can continue, if they’re yummy, to give men pleasure and their exclusive attention.

A leftie beta male trying to sound like he’s really in demand by the ladies. Even the fakery sounds insincere and bullshit.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 8:23 pm
I’m the only woman AFAIK responding to about 4 posters who want to bang on about how abortion is baaaad, several of whom are ‘new’.

Don’t tell me to shut up or go away, tell them. I’ve already had this discussion with CL previously but as long as he keeps bringing the subject up, I’ll keep refuting it. OK.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 8:26 pm
You’re really one very sick puppy, coz. Get back on your meds.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 8:30 pm
Yes, coz, in a discussion of the immorality of denying medical assistance to a child of a failed induced abortion you ‘refuted’ the argument by mentioning your mother’s incontinence , cows, Opus Dei, and something about the necessity of having a vagina in order to hold an opinion of this matter. Very convincing.

dover_beach

29 Aug 12 at 8:32 pm
Actually, not OK. And what relevance is gender to a moral issue?

And before you start your whining cant in support of murder, I have put on this forum before that the last child my wife and I had was a direct threat to her life. She chose to have that child – abortion being morally wrong in her view – and it all ended well.

If you chose not to have children – your call of course and may you avoid the outcome that usually brings.

You are still being an offensive creep.

Mk50 of Brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 8:34 pm
I’m delighted to have ‘conservatism’ exposed for what it is, thanks for your help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

coz

29 Aug 12 at 8:37 pm
Yup, she’s off her meds/trolley.

A 1930s(?) BBC comedy skit proves something in whatever world Coz inhabits.

barking mad.

Mk50 of Brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 8:40 pm
Hey Coz

I brought up the subject. I hardly ever get involved in any abortion discussions. I did this time because I saw the advertisement by that woman claiming she survived a hoovering and now lives to tell the tale. That really shocked me.

I was also astonished that the current president of the US, the Kenyan, voted four times to offer no assistance to babies that survive a hoovering. In other words the guy is a first rate piece of shit. Yes I’m aware that abortion is a complex thing and there are arguments about body ownerhsip and all that. However when the kid is out of the body, alive and breathing, that’s a whole new kettle of fish. Ignoring a breathing kid need to medical attention is basically murder no two fucking ways about it.

By the way, complaining about your mother’s incontinence problem implies it would have been better if she had aborted… you. Okay.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 8:43 pm
Hey Coz

I brought up the subject. I hardly ever get involved in any abortion discussions. I did this time because I saw the advertisement by that woman claiming she survived a hoovering and now lives to tell the tale. That really shocked me.

I was also astonished that the current president of the US, the Kenyan, voted four times to offer no assistance to babies that survive a hoovering. In other words the guy is a first rate piece of shit. Yes I’m aware that abortion is a complex thing and there are arguments about body ownerhsip and all that. However when the kid is out of the body, alive and breathing, that’s a whole new kettle of fish. Ignoring a breathing kid need to medical attention is basically murder no two fucking ways about it.

By the way, complaining about your mother’s incontinence problem implies it would have been better if she had aborted… you. You realize you’re making a strong case for your own hoovering?

JC

29 Aug 12 at 8:44 pm
Coz: shoosh.

Shoo.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 8:46 pm
Islamic nation – France – investigates:

French prosecutors open murder inquiry into 2004 death of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 8:50 pm
No, you catholick Klowns I will not shoosh. Every time one of you fanatics bring the subject up, I will express my opinions. If you want me to shoosh then you need to shoosh yourselves.

Is it you strategy to let the general public know that the ‘Liberal’ party is staunch anti-abortionist? That you want more dead woman in back alley abortions? I’m not sure what else you could possibly be driving at.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 8:51 pm
Wish Plebeserk and Gillard would get their stories straight about where they’re going to find the money for the $4billon dental scam.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 8:51 pm
Is it you strategy to let the general public know that the ‘Liberal’ party is staunch anti-abortionist?
…
I’m not sure what else you could possibly be driving at.

Coz, WTF has this to do with Australian politics?

I’ll simplify so that even an offensive amoral creep like you can understand.

Preshizzle (PACO™) Odumbugger voted to deliberately let living babies die.

That’s murder.

People don’t like that.

Got it now?

Mk50 of Brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 8:57 pm
I’m delighted to have ‘conservatism’ exposed for what it is, thanks for your help.

Are you saying there isn’t anyone from the left that has antiabortion views, catholic, protestant or atheist?

Rudiau

29 Aug 12 at 8:59 pm
Report:

Clint Eastwood headed to RNC convention.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 8:59 pm
Try and follow this, Coz. The discussion was about full term babies being aborted. These babies managed to survive the abortion only to be left to die through neglect and essentially a DNR. Thrown out like trash. Some have been rescued and survived. Obama supports the murder of these aborted babies that survived the abortion. He chooses not to save a barely living breathing defenseless baby near death’s door.

The point being it is murder. No one here has today discussed abortion choices in general. They’ve discussed babies surviving an abortion being left to die but saved by someone with the humanity and compassion to do the right thing.

The only person grandstanding and carrying on like a headless chook about the issue of abortion in general, is you. It’s like you’re fighting a battle no one declared.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 8:59 pm
Wish Plebeserk and Gillard would get their stories straight about where they’re going to find the money for the $4billon dental scam.

Slush fund Gab, but there will be no file opened…thanks Larry

Rudiau

29 Aug 12 at 9:01 pm
I don’t care what sob stories Opus Dei will trot out, why aren’t they trotting out sob stories about women who are destroyed by childbirth?

Do you want the ‘Liberal’ party to be classed as staunch anti-abortionists or not? Make up your minds, it’s that simple, how do you want to be perceived?

coz

29 Aug 12 at 9:02 pm
Gab – I think Pleb-berserk and Juliar are relying on funding from the Tooth Fairy.

Boom-tish.

Mk50 of Brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 9:02 pm
coz, you are not refuting jack shit.

Your mother’s breech birth is about possible medical malpractice. Nowhere have you stated she did not want the baby. She in fact then had you!

So we still await 1 cogent argument from you about abortion of third trimester babies which medically can live outside the womb, and to be aborted require more than just removal of some pulsating tissue.

pete m

29 Aug 12 at 9:03 pm
Coz

Let me repeat, because somehow it didn’t seem to sink in.

1. I’ve rarely weighed into any discussion on the subject of hoovering.

2. I posted that political ad because it shocked me a little.

3. I rarely weigh into any religious discussion except for hanging shit on the Greenslime religion and adherents to the Greenslime religion as a i regard it and them as disgusting human beings.

4. Sounding disappointed about your ma’s medcial problem suggested to me you were by default advocating your very own hoovering, which at times I must admit, especially in the evenings when your drunk sounds like it would have been a pretty attractive proposition… a win win if you will. Your ma’s medical problems may not have been as bad and we would be spared your drunken gibberish most evenings.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 9:03 pm
Nuttier than Grandma’s fruitcake.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 9:05 pm
My mother didn’t want any children, she only did it for a meal ticket/roof over her head, like most women prior to equal pay or womens entry into the workforce. What would you do, unable to earn a living, obliged to open your legs/uterus in order to survive in a man’s world.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 9:05 pm
Being against late/full term abortion has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with being a human. I’m unashamedly atheist, but murdering a child is fucking barbaric no matter how you try to rationalise it.

big dumb fu

29 Aug 12 at 9:05 pm
This site is taking an extremist turn and not because of me.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 9:06 pm
What would you do, unable to earn a living, obliged to open your legs/uterus in order to survive in a man’s world.

Lie back and think of England.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 9:07 pm
Frankly, we could do with a lot less of them born each year in Australia.

Yea I fucking say, Freeb. I’d start with you and Coz, add in julius Nutjob, Stephanie from Bris bane, Monster and a few others here and I’d be all for hoovering even partial birth hoovering.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 9:09 pm
Exactly. women had no choice prior to reliable contraception (ie the pill). You either married and donated physical tissue to your own detriment or languished as a maiden aunt/prostitute.

Have you folks looked into the mitochondrial DNA thing?

coz

29 Aug 12 at 9:10 pm
My mother didn’t want any children,

There were condoms then, wirhdrawl she could have shut her legs. There were several options Coz.

she only did it for a meal ticket/roof over her head,

So you’re saying your ma had the same principles are a regular hooker then? Really?

like most women prior to equal pay or womens entry into the workforce.

Oh shut up.

What would you do, unable to earn a living, obliged to open your legs/uterus in order to survive in a man’s world.

Become a hooker like all females before the pill? Your ma sounded very discontented with life, Coz.

Are you sure you’re telling us all there is to know?

JC

29 Aug 12 at 9:14 pm
Here’s a good site that would interest you, coz. Go peddle your crazy there.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 9:14 pm
Exactly. women had no choice prior to reliable contraception (ie the pill). You either married and donated physical tissue to your own detriment or languished as a maiden aunt/prostitute.

Oh bullshit. Condoms have been around since men figured out there were more ways to use sheep entrails than just make sausage. You’re talking crap.

JC

29 Aug 12 at 9:16 pm
I’m not interested in your need to bond as a social group and I won’t be replying to those statements.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 9:19 pm
Jesus,what the hell?

Tal

29 Aug 12 at 9:19 pm
yeah, the masculinists catholicks have been running amok here.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 9:20 pm
One flew over the cuckoo’s nest, Tal.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 9:22 pm
This one’s barking mad, folks.

I don’t care what sob stories Opus Dei will trot out,

Opus dei?? So she’s a ranty anti-Catholic bigot.

why aren’t they trotting out sob stories about women who are destroyed by childbirth?

Why should they?

Do you want the ‘Liberal’ party to be classed as staunch anti-abortionists or not?

Who except you has said anything like this?

Make up your minds, it’s that simple, how do you want to be perceived?

perceived by you? Seriously, who cares what you think?

Mk50 of Brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 9:22 pm
You either married and donated physical tissue to your own detriment

I am damn sure my mother, her mother, my wife, in fact every woman I know doesn’t think that child birth, or giving life to their off spring has in any way been detrimental to them selves.

In fact all women I know would find the psychotic ramblings by Coz about child birth quite disturbing.

Sad really.

Old Fridgie

29 Aug 12 at 9:23 pm
Do you want the ‘Liberal’ party to be classed as staunch anti-abortionists or not? Make up your minds, it’s that simple, how do you want to be perceived?

This site is not affiliated with the Liberal Party. Furthermore the Liberal party does not have an anti-abortion policy, and in particular Tony Abbott has said that he will not change current laws.

dd

29 Aug 12 at 9:23 pm
Coz don’t visit if it upsets you

Tal

29 Aug 12 at 9:24 pm
Watching Catherine Deveny harangue Peter Reith on SBS, and after he was trying to be conciliatory. God she is one shrill cow.

Angry Anderson comes across as a very soft hearted fellow.

jtfsoon

29 Aug 12 at 9:24 pm
Talk about derailing the thread and making it “all about me”! Well played coz.

big dumb fu

29 Aug 12 at 9:25 pm
I’m unashamedly atheist, but murdering a child is fucking barbaric no matter how you try to rationalise it.

+1

As posted earlier, I never weigh in on abortion discussions, but murdering a child that has been born is just wrong, wrong, wrong. Most abortion arguments I have skimmed over seem to argue about when life starts. One thing they all agreed on was that by the time the baby was sucking air and looking around it was alive.

If feeling horrified that some babies are killed after they are born makes me an anti-abortionist nut then we really have entered the twilight zone.

btw I took out half my mothers reproductive organs on the way out, and ended any chances of having a younger sibling. She always told me as a kid I was worth it when I asked what her great big purple scar was. Maybe that’s why I don’t sit around getting drunk and posting rubbish on a Wednesday night, because I wasn’t messed up as a kid.

brc

29 Aug 12 at 9:26 pm
The vast majority of people in the US, and in Australia, are opposed to very late term abortions. Support for 8th month abortions is at rock bottom levels.

Now sure we don’t want to get all majoritarian. Just because almost everyone thinks that way doesn’t make it right, but it certainly torpedoes the claim that opposition to third trimester abortion is extremist. it’s not.

dd

29 Aug 12 at 9:29 pm
Coz

If you stopped the heavy drinking you’d probably enjoy life a little more. You sound fucking miserable.

Be fair JC, its either hug a tree or drink in Tasmania.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 9:30 pm
DD

This site is not affiliated with the Liberal Party. Furthermore the Liberal party does not have an anti-abortion policy, and in particular Tony Abbott has said that he will not change current laws.

Yeah, I’m aware of Abbott’s statement, it’s sensible and realistic, but how is this site not affiliated with the Liberal party? You expressed an interest in becoming a member.

I would be interested to know, it seems there is a need for a wider site, this site is a bit of an ape colony where insiders just groom each other.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 9:31 pm
You expressed an interest in becoming a member.

I did? I don’t remember doing that but take your word for it. But more to the point, why are you collating such information about this site?

dd

29 Aug 12 at 9:35 pm
Touching stories, coz. You should write Hallmark Cards.

IT are these the type of Hallmark cards you were thinking of?

Splatacrobat

29 Aug 12 at 9:37 pm
I’m not ‘collating’, but I’ve been posting for over 18 months, used to be just CL banging on with the papist’s ‘keep abortion on the front page’ rhetoric (same as ‘keep gay on the front page’ rhetoric’, same team really) but now, there’s a lot more of em, it has spread, like a contagion.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 9:38 pm
Leave Coz alone, she’s doing her bit to champion female foeticide, she has me almost convinced.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 9:39 pm
Masculinism is a female foeticide movement isnt’ it?

coz

29 Aug 12 at 9:40 pm
Didn’t get a response to my mention of mitochondrial DNA. Do you know what it is?

coz

29 Aug 12 at 9:41 pm
Mrs Leatherface manages to squeeze in less than 30 seconds of Tony Abbott and Sloppy Joe into the 7.30 Report story on an unfunded $4bn promise by Gillard on dentistry.

Insiders indeed.

H B Bear

29 Aug 12 at 9:41 pm
i’ve never heard of woman giving her bone marrow tissue to a foetus ?? her foetus? i’ve heard of women having another baby in hope of tissue match of new baby with existing sibling with leukaemia. also never heard that osteoporosis could be side effect of donation of bone tissue – it would be interesting to clarify

candy

29 Aug 12 at 9:45 pm
Masculinism is a female foeticide movement isnt’ it?

No it isn’t actually, look it up.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 9:47 pm
Coz, Know your limits

Splatacrobat

29 Aug 12 at 9:49 pm
Gab – I think Pleb-berserk and Juliar are relying on funding from the Tooth Fairy.

Boom-tish.

MK friend, luvya, but honesty allows that ABC 7.30 beat you to the punch with the Tooth Fairy line this evening.

For journos, of even the most politically correct persuasion, punnery sometimes triumphs

Lazlo

29 Aug 12 at 9:50 pm
Coz, people who are anti abortion are not necessarily dismissive of women’s rights and value. Most of them struggle with the competing value of the foetus and the adult. It is NOT an easy moral choice.

If someone finds it an easy decision, then it is they who are damaged.

WhaleHunt Fun

29 Aug 12 at 9:50 pm
Having a child takes a lot of Calcium. For well nourished women it is no problem. For poorly fed women a child can mean losing teeth and some bone mass. So to that extent Coz is correct

WhaleHunt Fun

29 Aug 12 at 9:55 pm
Coz, people who are anti abortion are not necessarily dismissive of women’s rights and value. Most of them struggle with the competing value of the foetus and the adult. It is NOT an easy moral choice.

FIFY
Coz, most men who are anti abortion are not necessarily dismissive of women’s rights and value. Most of them struggle with the competing value of the foetus and the woman. It is NOT an easy moral choice for a man, who is at no risk, but is clearly of more value than a woman.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 9:58 pm
Study this picture.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/its_good_to_be_queen/

Tear yourselves away from the rictus grin.

Look at the bearers of the throne and reflect on the wage earners from working families, the working class unsung heroes that the Union movement claims to represent, the third world citizens seeking a better life.

Remind yourselves how we got into this horrid mess. Remember the guilty parties who made this happen.

Moving forward!

FredB

29 Aug 12 at 10:06 pm
I agree entirely, and also with Dolan’s invitation to Obama for the Al Smith Dinner. The role of a bishop should be to promote dialogue, not to shut it down; to promote prayer everywhere and among all, not to selectively engage in it; and to remind people that faith is larger than politics. Cardinal Dolan demonstrated real leadership in these areas, even though our immediate political sensibilities might have recoiled at his decisions. And Dolan’s ecumenical outreach demonstrates that his opposition to the intrusion on religious liberty in the HHS contraception mandate is not borne of Republican sympathies, but out of genuine and completely understandable opposition to the policy itself.

From CL’s link to HotAir.

Wow.

nilk

29 Aug 12 at 10:07 pm
I would like to know how many women have an abortion after they have already given birth as opposed to those who seek abortion and are childless?

I think the stats would be very illuminating.

Splatacrobat

29 Aug 12 at 10:09 pm
Masculinism is a female foeticide movement isnt’ it?

No fvkwit.

Leftism is.

JamesK

29 Aug 12 at 10:12 pm
MK friend, luvya, but honesty allows that ABC 7.30 beat you to the punch with the Tooth Fairy line this evening.

Oh, cripes lazlo… beaten to the punch by the Australian Bolshevik Collective.

Sigh. The humiliation

Only one thing for it. That bottle of rum beckoneth, with siren song. So I have to go and drown the humiliation.

My excuse and I’m sticking to it!

Mk50 of Brisbane

29 Aug 12 at 10:15 pm
Why don’t men police their own reproductive/sexual practices?

coz

29 Aug 12 at 10:15 pm
Set an example for us.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 10:17 pm
Sounds like coz is a man hater and scared by her mothers pregnancy issues. I’m sorry you feel this way.

Splatacrobat

29 Aug 12 at 10:19 pm
The modern high school curriculum.

In my day, we studied ancient Greece, Rome, the Gypos etc.

Today, they still study the Greeks. However, the topic of the latest assignment to come home is “homosexuality in ancient Sparta”.

FFS

boy on a bike

29 Aug 12 at 10:20 pm
Why don’t men police their own reproductive/sexual practices?

Oh for fucks sake, thats not even close to an intelligient question/argument. You’re nothing but a dumbass troll. I’m sorry I’ve given you the benefit of the doubt on so many occassions.

Don’t feed it anymore fellow cats

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 10:21 pm
Don’t feed it anymore fellow cats

This here ape agrees.

Rudiau

29 Aug 12 at 10:24 pm
Spalt

Splat idiot is both really annoying and hilarious at the same time.

Did you him terrorizing the poor Time Warner operator. She started laughing at him like the Gay and Lesbian alliance dude.

Ned had an idea for a show on the new gay and lesbian channel.. Missionary Impossible…

it’s on this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkF42sz4Ths&feature=related

JC

29 Aug 12 at 10:24 pm
oops.. That idiot…

JC

29 Aug 12 at 10:27 pm
Coz you seem to argue as if only men object to abortion. This is not true. And you argue as if an abortion is performed when a woman is at risk.
While this occurs, it is in a trivial number of cases. Abortion is a casual form of contraception in the west. Meanwhile in parts of the third world it is not an option at all, no matter the risk. The issue is not simple.
And women have no superior right to decide the matter given that there are two people involved.

WhaleHunt Fun

29 Aug 12 at 10:29 pm
Your ma sounded very discontented with life, Coz.

Coz, I think JC is right and there is a lot more to your story. It does all seem to still be getting at you. It doesn’t have to be like that. Women in distress do put a lot of emotional pressure on their kids for support and can give a perspective on life that’s difficult to escape from (I copped a lot of this too, and my older sister had it even worse). I loved my mother to bits, because my father was such a pig (I thought, until I realised how mentally ill he was and what had made him that way) but mum was also at times a nutjob (totally schedule-necessary psychotic so bad that she didn’t recognise any of us for weeks on end) and at other times a sad depressive. I had to run away to save myself. Sometimes it helps to stand back a bit from that childhood and claim some happiness for yourself, rather than just almost willingly repeating the cycle of bitterness. Analysing and accepting what has happened is better than sociologising it into some leftish narrative of complaint. That gets you nowhere fast.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Aug 12 at 10:31 pm
Does anyone know if Treasury has worked out where it is going to fund 10 billion of new spending in addition to catering for a 10 billion decline in revenue?

Plibersek, Roxon and the whole Gillard Gang are unrelenting in their mission to gift Abbott the excuse to privatise the ABC and SBS. Over to you, Tony.

Ivan Denisovich

29 Aug 12 at 10:32 pm
I’m not interested in your efforts to patronise me or your efforts to shore up your place in the ape colony here.

For the third time, do you understand what mitochondrial DNA is?

coz

29 Aug 12 at 10:39 pm
Oh, cripes lazlo… beaten to the punch by the Australian Bolshevik Collective.

Yes, an outbreak of hopeful irony there, coupled with Gruen Transfer ribbing of LardArse and the carbon tax.

Maybe moments of realisation and revelation among te MSM?

Nah, pass the bottle round there MK, let’s not leave it stand there.

Cross with Cat Site Lazlo

29 Aug 12 at 10:41 pm
For the third time, do you understand what mitochondrial DNA is?

what is this, a pop science quiz? What is the point of this question, which you clearly know the answer to?

dd

29 Aug 12 at 10:44 pm
Want to get freaky Coz?

Ahem

29 Aug 12 at 10:45 pm
some dolt - Coz you seem to argue as if only men object to abortion. This is not true. And you argue as if an abortion is performed when a woman is at risk.

Not at all, brainwashed catholick women often object to it, to shore up their place in the brainwashed catholick heirarchy.

And women have no superior right to decide the matter given that there are two people involved.

Quite the contrary, men suffer no long term physical damage or loss from the donation of one sperm. Women donate a lot more than that.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 10:45 pm
FAIRFAX Media has lost more than 30 leading journalists, as the bloodletting continues in the company’s bid to cut costs, a report says.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/fairfax-loses-30-senior-journalists/story-e6frfku9-1226461169338#ixzz24wFybaEw

Bye-bye.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 10:45 pm
For anyone interested, check mitochondrial DNA here.

Coz, this is a significant part of the functioning of a cell that passed to a child only from the mother – it is thus used for genetic tracing of the matriline. The male y chromosome has to be used to trace the patriline. Geneticists use these markers to establish population origins parameters.

What else did you have in mind for the significance of MDNA?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Aug 12 at 10:46 pm
This site is taking an extremist turn and not because of me.

coz you dumbshit I posted the statistical support in Australia for late term abortion.

7% for.
42% against except in life or death situations.
48% against full stop.

That’s 90% against.

It’s you who are the nutty extremist on this matter.

Also if you want to create a totem pole, women who don’t have children themselves have less “right” to discuss the matter than men who have children.

So STFU.

twostix

29 Aug 12 at 10:48 pm
30 leading journalists

“Leading” by Fairfax standards.

FXJ $0.45. Market cap $1.06b. Add about that much in net debt and you have an enterprise value of about $2.1b. Can’t be long now, surely?

benson

29 Aug 12 at 10:49 pm
I’m not interested in your efforts to patronise me

Calling you an intellectually bereft leftist drone isn’t patronising coz

JamesK

29 Aug 12 at 10:51 pm
No. I’m a woman who grew up with a mother who complained daily about childbirth induced incontinence and who went on to develop osteoporosis due to donating bone tissue to foetii.

Your mother sounds like a whiny bitch. No wonder you’re an alcoholic.

Abu Chowdah

29 Aug 12 at 10:52 pm
Exactly what have I said in the last 2 hours or so that would be classed by a disinterested party as ‘crazy’. It’s all perfectly sane discussion/debate material but all I got was shouted down by the masculinist ape colony here and their running dog lackeys.

Do you really expect people to take this site seriously or do you just want to rub up against each other and pick fleas off yourselves.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 10:54 pm
Fistulas are correctible, so she was also a stupid bitch.

Abu Chowdah

29 Aug 12 at 10:54 pm
Coz –

When you were a sperm on the tip of your old man’s dick, your mother should have swallowed you.

Please go away.

Nanuestalker

29 Aug 12 at 10:55 pm
These well-meaning piccaninnies realise the big lady’s not for eating, right?

CL 4:19

LOL
I wondered the same thing at Blair’s – but look at her.
I’m sure she’d taste funny.

kae

29 Aug 12 at 10:55 pm
What else did you have in mind for the significance of MDNA?

coz is intellectually impaired Lizzie.

She/it wouldn’t have a clue.

Any clue she/it believed would be almost certainly delusional or a misconception

JamesK

29 Aug 12 at 10:55 pm
Is there anything duller than a load of middle class Melbournites all agreeing with each other how great it is to be middle class in Melbourne?

coz

29 Aug 12 at 10:56 pm
“Just a few weeks ago Defense Department Secretary Leon Panetta was in Cairo saying that Egypt’s new Muslim Brotherhood president, Mohamed Morsi, was “his own man” and that Morsi was committed to democratic reforms.

The crushing reality displayed in the weeks since Panetta’s praise of Morsi puts the lie to the Obama administration’s catastrophic foreign policy hinged on the Muslim Brotherhood’s supposed “moderation”.

Just two days after Panetta’s appearance with the Egyptian president, Morsi announced his cabinet that included three Islamists, including one appointed to the sensitive post of education minister. One of his Islamist allies was appointed the sole vice president, breaking Morsi’s promise prior to the election that he would appoint a Christian and a woman to vice president positions.

Leaders of the Christian community immediately denounced the appointments, with only a solitary Christian Copt to receiving one of the 35 ministry appointments to represent that minority community that comprises ten percent of the Egyptian population.

Then on August 12th, Morsi surprised the world (no doubt including Panetta and State Department Secretary Hillary Clinton) by unilaterally firing Defense Minister Hussein Tantawi and the head of the Egyptian armed forces (the only check on Morsi’s power), cancelling addenda to the provisional constitution that had limited the presidents power (and that he was elected under), and establishing new presidential powers, which were roundly denounced by Egyptian constitutional experts from all quarters as powers that rested solely with the parliament.

Then this past Saturday Morsi’s prime minister announced that the drafting of the new constitution would be completed by the end of September – even before a new parliament can be seated to help shape and define the new constitution. Members of the committee drafting the constitution have openly complained that the Muslim Brotherhood majority faction of the 100-member drafting committee were monopolizing the process and working to increase the role of Islamic law over the Egyptian people.

And then yesterday Morsi announced his new team of presidential assistants and advisers, with many of the positions going to Muslim Brotherhood members, the even-more hardline Islamist Al-Nour Party, and “independents” aligned with the Islamists.”

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 10:56 pm
The second person is the foetus, not the man. It is the rights of the foetus you are killing, if it is in fact technically alive, that is balanced against the health and security of the woman.
If, as you argue, you can treat a foetus as a disposable thing then you are arguing that men are absolutely and definitely entitled to treat women as things, objects to be used and disposed simply because power brings entitlement.
The moral argument is the same.
Women who oppose abortion are not wholly Catholic. That is just a nonsense.

WhaleHunt Fun

29 Aug 12 at 10:59 pm
Being against late/full term abortion has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with being a human. I’m unashamedly atheist, but murdering a child is fucking barbaric no matter how you try to rationalise it.

Ditto to all of that.

Abu Chowdah

29 Aug 12 at 11:00 pm
Ned calls the Boston Catholic Church about their stupid ‘driving commandants”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U0gZNUICd4&feature=related

JC

29 Aug 12 at 11:01 pm
I can’t believe coz (of all people) just punked dozens of comments from people.

That’s why these people come here and – every time – they’re obliged.

C.L.

29 Aug 12 at 11:01 pm
It’s like the tyranny of the stupid – the stupid have formed an alliance with the moderately talented at Catalepsy.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 11:01 pm
HBB

Tasmania has more in common with New Zealand. Let them have it.

Noooo. They’ll want to tow it up and anchor it off the beach at Bondi!

(Might keep the sharks away?)

kae

29 Aug 12 at 11:02 pm
Bye-bye.

Yup. Gone within two years, unless they let Gina in.

On a more serious note, the Copts are in grave danger. They need our support.

Lazlo

29 Aug 12 at 11:03 pm
Well, Coz, I’m anti-abortion, although I’m newish here at the Cat. I’m also a woman, and think that men not being allowed to have an opinion on abortion is idiotic and malign.

If you don’t want men to have a say in anything that happens as a result of two gametes fusing, then you’ll be okay with men choosing not to pay child support, or hang around for the baby if the woman wants to keep it, I guess.

After all, he’s no right to an opinion – he’s only a sperm donor.

You are a misandrist idiot.

nilk

29 Aug 12 at 11:04 pm
ape colony here and their running dog lackeys.

That’s a wonderful drunken image, apes with running dogs.

Do you really expect people to take this site seriously or do you just want to rub up against each other and pick fleas off yourselves

All humans engage in primate grooming behavior. It’s entirely normal. We are primates after all. The trolls around here however are more interested in flinging shit.

Dangph

29 Aug 12 at 11:06 pm
brainwashed catholick women often object to it, to shore up their place in the brainwashed catholick heirarchy.

Coz, you seem keen to see women ‘shoring up’ some place somewhere (even a place on Catallaxy!) and you also seem keen to particularly attack Catholics.

The conceptualising language you use is instructive. No-one needs to ‘shore up’ anything. People just have their own views and opinions and religious beliefs or, like me, lack of such beliefs. You’ll just see it as patronising, but really, you could do yourself a favour and ask yourself why you are so hostile and have such a bitterness sense of deprivation and loss about you all the time.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Aug 12 at 11:07 pm
Is Bolt asking a rhetorical question here?

This is incredible: the Government is promising extra spending of more than $10 billion a year just when analysts warn its Budget may have sprung a $10 billion a year hole – and worse to come.

What the hell is going on?

Does he really not know? It’s the pre-out-of-power-for-a-generation smash and grab. Designed to shove the country as far to European style socialism as possible – it’ll take fifty years to wind back even 1/4 of it.

Otherwise known as the Fabian Socialist doctrine.

Surprise!

twostix

29 Aug 12 at 11:08 pm
Ned calls about the condom recall. Condom recall? WTF?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_j18_clVZQ&feature=related

JC

29 Aug 12 at 11:09 pm
Sing us that song, Coz, about the love of a strong hairy man, “I spent my last fifty twenty bucks on birth control and beer…”

You know once youse lesbians have a good shag you’ll never go back to dining at the Y.

Abu Chowdah

29 Aug 12 at 11:09 pm
Is there anything duller than a load of middle class Melbournites all agreeing with each other how great it is to be middle class in Melbourne?

Shades of My Brother Jack.. or was it Keep the Aspidistra Flying?

Lazlo

29 Aug 12 at 11:09 pm
Women should have the sole right to decide whether they want to abort UNLESS the make lodges a susbtantial deposit for his share of childraining costs and undertakes to pay half until the child is 25 at least.

Let men put their money where their dick has been the case of abortion ane let the judge decide whether the male has the means to pay (and not piss off).

Thats the problem. Thats why most women want to abort.
Its an economic decision, not a churchy emotional decision and nor should it be.
Kids cost.

Alice

29 Aug 12 at 11:12 pm
it’ll take fifty years to wind back even 1/4 of it.

unless Abbott goes all Campbell Newman.

dd

29 Aug 12 at 11:13 pm
Plus we have too many people on the planet anyway.

Alice

29 Aug 12 at 11:13 pm
In the above address to her beloved Fabian Society Gillard said of Howard’s popularity:

What explains the Howard decade of success and what will cause him to fail?

…

It was hoped if we derided John Howard as a 1950s throw back, Australia would reject him.

It was hoped if people woke up to his use of the politics of fear, Howard would fail.

It was hoped if Howard was derided as divisive, that he would be repudiated.

But these strategies have failed.

“We” being her and her comrades at the Fabian Society.

She really is a failure though.

twostix

29 Aug 12 at 11:15 pm
My mother didn’t want any children, she only did it for a meal ticket/roof over her head, like most women prior to equal pay or womens entry into the workforce. What would you do, unable to earn a living, obliged to open your legs/uterus in order to survive in a man’s world.

What, so no woman ever worked before abortion was legally available? Better not tell my mum, or my nanas, or my aunts.

And as for the backyard abortionist theme, please point me to statistics on that one. I’d love to see how many there actually were, and we can compare them to how many Kermit Gosnell killed in his legally approved clinic.

nilk

29 Aug 12 at 11:15 pm
Is there anything duller than a load of middle class Melbournites all agreeing with each other how great it is to be middle class in Melbourne?

Oh Sweet Jesus, Coz, lay off the plonk and drop the shoebox meme as your claim to fame and superiority,

The quality of mercy is beginning to wear rather thin with me regarding you on this site. Go to bed.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Aug 12 at 11:16 pm
Just a few weeks ago Defense Department Secretary Leon Panetta was in Cairo saying that Egypt’s new Muslim Brotherhood president, Mohamed Morsi, was “his own man” and that Morsi was committed to democratic reforms.

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/parallel-betrayals-iranian-revolution-and-arab-spring/

And then yesterday Morsi announced his new team of presidential assistants and advisers, with many of the positions going to Muslim Brotherhood members, the even-more hardline Islamist Al-Nour Party, and “independents” aligned with the Islamists

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?ID=282258

Ivan Denisovich

29 Aug 12 at 11:17 pm
Let men put their money where their dick has been the case of abortion ane let the judge decide whether the male has the means to pay (and not piss off).

Thats the problem. Thats why most women want to abort.
Its an economic decision, not a churchy emotional decision and nor should it be.
Kids cost.

No, that might have been true half a century ago, but today, the man has to pay. You’ve been misinformed.

Alice, are you in favour of allowing abortion in the 9th month of pregnancy? For example, two weeks before the baby’s due.

dd

29 Aug 12 at 11:17 pm
I don’t know why I watch Lateline. They segue from some climate activist pretending Greenland and Antartica are about to melt, to reporting the Republican convention by showing a clip of Obama announcing s hurricane.

Brc

29 Aug 12 at 11:17 pm
Plus we have too many people on the planet anyway.

You literally couldn’t help yourself could you? Exposing your true thoughts on the matter I mean.

That’s now two leftist trolls “weighing” in on the debate with their desire to use abortion for population control.

See my comment above about the rising totalitarian left courting Eugenics.

twostix

29 Aug 12 at 11:23 pm
Obviously a mystery, Brc. It’s a bit like smoking, you don’t realise how good you will feel before you stop.

entropy

29 Aug 12 at 11:24 pm
Is there anything duller than a load of middle class Melbournites all agreeing with each other how great it is to be middle class in Melbourne?

Liz Oh Sweet Jesus, Coz, lay off the plonk and drop the shoebox meme as your claim to fame and superiority,

The quality of mercy is beginning to wear rather thin with me regarding you on this site. Go to bed.

Apparently you’ve mistaken my silence, but I guess you don’t understand tact. I just laugh at your idiocy, you clown. I never wanted to be anything other than what I was born into. Social climbers disgust me.

Oim a writer, wiv diamonds too!

coz

29 Aug 12 at 11:24 pm
the love of a strong hairy man

Abu, I guess everyone knows where I stand on that. And what’s this? Hundreds of Apes on the Cat all of a sudden. I must consult Da Hairy Oirish one about this influx of his friends and rellies.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Aug 12 at 11:24 pm
I never wanted to be anything other than what I was born into.

You should have stayed in the pig-pen then, dollink. Well, maybe you have.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Aug 12 at 11:28 pm
The list of the Fairfax Fleers is pretty ordinary.

David Marr anyone?

DaveF

29 Aug 12 at 11:30 pm
Women should have the sole right to decide whether they want to abort UNLESS the make lodges a susbtantial deposit for his share of childraining costs and undertakes to pay half until the child is 25 at least.

In that case, Alice, you won’t have any objections when men start getting women to sign pre-coital agreements that cover exactly what action will take place, and what to expect in the event of the unexpected.

As for paying for the child until 25? Sorry, no. Men already pay through the nose and it’s remarkably easy to game the system and get more money.

And what about cases where women have lied about birth control and gotten pregnant? The man has had no say in the pregnancy, has no say in an abortion, and still has to cough up?

I guess that’s okay, because he got his end in, so he deserves to be gouged.

nilk

29 Aug 12 at 11:31 pm
A bit of grounding from The Black Steam Train..

The other reason the pale activists are well past their use-by-date is their lack of caring for the big issues. Where once upon a time they used their skills to assist at the grassroots and their voices to advocate and agitate through media for equality and basic human rights for suffering blacks, their voices have now become self serving and narrow to their own interests – be it Native Title, Arts Funding or whatever their pet passion is in the Industry. It was hard not to become enraged when bringing up the living conditions of some of the children on missions or in remote communities, only to have the subject changed time and time again to a pet passion topic. I thought people would say ‘oh my god, I had no idea this was going on’. I mean, the reason they’ve ignored it so long in favour of things like Treaties and Land Rights was surely because they were just unaware, right? Turns out instead, they don’t want to hear about it. Their racial identity and support of that is far more important than some kids, far away from their circle in a place like the N.T having a sexually transmitted disease at 5.

All power to him…

Lazlo

29 Aug 12 at 11:33 pm
unless Abbott goes all Campbell Newman.

The good people of QLD might be able to handle that, but in the face of millions of commie Victorians, Tasmanian’s, South Australians and Canberrans plus 1/3 of NSwelshmen, the national media and the national leftist movement it’s just not going to happen.

He’ll have to do something bigger and much cleverer than just playing whack a mole. Like giving back the power to tax to the states and also handing over the associated bureaucracies – depriving the feds of income and power at a fundamental level – it’ll require a referendum but he can just throw it into the mix with the referendum on free speech, the right to recall mp’s and banning the ALP.

twostix

29 Aug 12 at 11:33 pm
Women should have the sole right to decide whether they want to abort

What an infantile thing to say.

Driftforge

29 Aug 12 at 11:35 pm
Oh, and Bob’s a racist.

nilk

29 Aug 12 at 11:35 pm
Liz You should have stayed in the pig-pen then, dollink. Well, maybe you have.

No, I’m probably lower middle class, state school, parents with no aspirations or interests in the yaarts, mixture of blue collar/white collar/public housing suburb. I had several offers to jump the class barrier and rejected them all resoundly, like any decent person would.

coz

29 Aug 12 at 11:38 pm
Back to the aborshun thing. Since so many of you men seem to want to put the blame on Mame, yeah keep it in your pants, then there’s no abortions, ok?

coz

29 Aug 12 at 11:40 pm
Discussions with coz …well It’s like trying to reason with the Taliban.

Gab

29 Aug 12 at 11:43 pm
You’ve done too much bad sociology Coz. Too much bad sociology makes Coz a very dull girl. Enjoy, sweetie.

Nighty night. I’m off to sleep, perchance to dream.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Aug 12 at 11:55 pm
Here’s one for Melbourne bourgeousie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPgKlmCSxDs

coz

29 Aug 12 at 11:55 pm
That never used to be available on youtube, it’s one of my faves but no one ever uploaded it, I had the LP when I was a teenager, lotsa fun, he’s a good songwriter, probably got sucked into the artsy leftist brain drain but a lot of em do.

coz

30 Aug 12 at 12:13 am
Monday: Abbott to mirror Newman on cuts – Swan.

Today: Treasurer Wayne Swan orders freeze on $2bn in handouts.

THOUSANDS of federal grants promised to groups ranging from community bodies to universities are at risk as the government’s razor gang seeks billions of dollars in budget savings to offset the sharp downturn in revenue.

The Australian has learned that the Gillard government has imposed an across-the-board clamp on an estimated $2 billion a year in federal grants after cabinet this week received its latest updates on the budget position.

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 12:27 am
French Government, Oil Industry Agree Fuel Price Cut

PARIS (Reuters) – The French government and energy industry have agreed to cut fuel prices by up to 6 euro cents per litre for three months to help drivers hit by a recent increase in prices, Finance Minister Pierre Moscovici said on Tuesday

He said the burden of the “extremely substantial” cut would be shared equally between the French state and oil companies with each contributing 3 euro cents per litre.

“This means it will cost 1.50 euro less to put 25 litres in the fuel tank. It’s a substantial amount, especially for people with low revenues or who have to drive a lot,” Moscovici told a news conference after talks with industry representatives.

The decision, which is due to take effect in the next 24 hours, will cost the state at least 300 million euros ($375 million) in lost tax revenues for the period, he said.

Taxes make up about half of the price drivers pay at the pump in France.

JamesK

30 Aug 12 at 12:28 am
Bret Stephens, WSJ: Barack Obama, Global Has-Been($)
The president would rather be loved than feared. He is neither.

A few days ago there occurred one of those telling little episodes that captures the essence and folly of the Obama administration’s approach to foreign policy. The meeting of the Non-Aligned Movement is being hosted this week in Iran, and the administration had urged United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon not to attend as a signal of displeasure at Tehran’s serial violations of U.N. Security Council resolutions.

Of course Mr. Ban is going.

The administration’s response to Mr. Ban’s decision was “muted,” according to the New York Times, evidently out of sympathy for his delicate position: Most U.N. member states are also members of the Non-Aligned Movement, and it’s customary for U.N. secretaries-general to attend the meetings. There’s also hope Mr. Ban will make a public stink in Iran about its leaders’ nuclear bid or their calls to wipe out Israel. And maybe he will.

Still, there’s no overlooking the central point of this tussle: In the global popularity contest between Barack Obama and Ali Khamenei, the ayatollah is winning.

JamesK

30 Aug 12 at 12:33 am
No, I’m probably lower middle class, state school, parents with no aspirations or interests in the yaarts, mixture of blue collar/white collar/public housing suburb. I had several offers to jump the class barrier and rejected them all resoundly, like any decent person would.

Cool story, bro.

You hate the Cat and yet here you are, penning the legend if Coz.

Hey, Lizzie, your hairy ape is not alone. This hairy ape has just had a lecture about working lunches involving Mouton Cadet, large cigars and snifters if Ardbeg…

Abu Chowdah

30 Aug 12 at 12:51 am
The Australian does some crowing.

Darren Davidson, The Australian, June 27:

MR Leckie’s departure from Kerry Stokes’s Seven West Media had been rumoured for weeks but the end came swiftly, with sources saying the appointment of Don Voelte was a short-term move that laid the ground for Ryan Stokes to ultimately succeed his billionaire father.

Frog what? James Chessell, AFR, June 28:

SOURCES at Seven said suggestions Ryan Stokes would take over the top job soon were “frogshit”.”

Ben Holgate in the AFR yesterday:

RYAN Stokes has been appointed Seven Group Holdings new chief operating officer, putting him in a potential position to succeed his father Kerry . . .

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 1:28 am
Taxes make up about half of the price drivers pay at the pump in France.

Who Takes What out of our $1.398?
Petrol Breakdown 1 litre of petrol consists of:

item 12.715 cents GST
item 38.143 cents in excise
item1.2 cents for the service station (Note: The credit card companies get more)
item57.96 cents Crude oil (based on today’s price and today’s exchange rate)

That is a total of 50.85 cents direct tax + 59.16 cent in raw product and service station margin, making a total of 110.01 cents

Who receives the other item 29.79 cents per litre? (see BBC news in side panel.)
29.79 cents per litre might not sound all that much, but multiply that by the estimated 16.6 billion litres of petrol used per year in Australia, and you are looking at a gross margin of 4.94 billion dollars.
Add to this the margin on the sale of diesel (another 17 billion litres).

So out of 140 cents we pay 51c tax plus 30c company profit, 81c near enough.

Rudiau

30 Aug 12 at 1:40 am
Audio turns up featuring amoral monster and all-round evil coward:

Unearthed audio: Obama calls newborn baby a ‘fetus outside of the womb’.

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 1:41 am
Re. Hilary not appearing at the DNC:

The Clintons’ daughter, Chelsea, is attending both the Republican and Democratic conventions, according to the William J. Clinton Foundation.

Now that’s interesting. I wonder what we can make of that? Does she see the writing on the wall and wants to consider a switch of sides? Is she simply reporting back to her mother? What’s going on here?

Onto another topic:

It was hoped if we derided John Howard as a 1950s throw back, Australia would reject him.

It was hoped if people woke up to his use of the politics of fear, Howard would fail.

It was hoped if Howard was derided as divisive, that he would be repudiated.

But these strategies have failed.

That’s because the underlying premise was bullshit in every case, you incompetent Lefty nitwits.

perturbed

30 Aug 12 at 1:43 am
Via AP, Gawker, Huffington Post etc…

Book: SEAL Team 6 members disliked Obama, thought Biden was insane…

But this is what tells you all you need to know about Barack Obama. The Team had just returned from the mission and were met by Obama and Biden:

After listening to Obama’s speech and enduring Biden’s “lame jokes that no one got (He seemed like a nice guy, but he reminded me of someone’s drunken uncle at Christmas dinner)” the president invited the team to return to his residence later for a beer.

But Owen writes a few weeks later: “We never got the call to have a beer at the White House.” Joking with a fellow SEAL, “Hey, did you ever hear anything about that beer?” Walt cracks: ” You believed that shit. I bet you voted for change too, sucker.”

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 1:55 am
ANU sends undercover Labor operative to infiltrate Libs meetings.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 1:58 am
Now that’s interesting. I wonder what we can make of that?

We can make of that she works as a special correspondent for NBC.

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 1:59 am
BLOCKADING construction workers are earning almost double the wages of typical Victorians as well as getting more than 13 weeks’ paid leave.

As an illegal shutdown of Grocon’s $250 million Emporium building site enters its ninth day, the CFMEU has been accused by builders of demanding bribes in exchange for industrial peace on other commercial sites.

Tensions are rising at the Emporium site as four key unions representing 150,000 construction workers stood by their threat to call a general strike if police made any further move to break the union blockade, which is being held in defiance of Supreme Court orders.

Time for the water cannons to be deployed.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 2:07 am
John Setka: I am not an animal. Nor a thug.

Hilarious.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 2:08 am
Not water cannons, Gab. Truncheons. I don’t have much sympathy for Baillieu but he’s owed at least the acknowledgement that 1) the CFMEU criminals are fully backed by a corrupt Federal government led by a union slush fund moll; and 2) the Victoria Police is itself a unionised racket – one transformed into the lesbian version of the Keystone Cops under Christine “Just Popping Out For A Feed” Nixon.

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 2:15 am
What to drink on your way to vote Barry out in November.

nilk

30 Aug 12 at 7:15 am
Amusing that the police horse squad was withdrawn because “the horses were being punched”. Errrm, hello, why weren’t the horses in their riot gear ?
Maybe the police could show up to a seige unarmed too, and see how that works.

Keith

30 Aug 12 at 7:58 am
Grocon should just lock up all of their sites until further notice, given the vandalism and sabotage occurring. In essence, do a Qantas.

Keith

30 Aug 12 at 8:02 am
All seven people on the FBI’s domestic terrorism most wanted list, all of them very violent, are leftists.

Dangph

30 Aug 12 at 8:19 am
All seven people on the FBI’s domestic terrorism most wanted list, all of them very violent, are leftists.

Gee, who’da thunk it?

Rabz

30 Aug 12 at 8:28 am
Feral Treasure Woine Goose orders freeze on $2bn in handouts

So how’s that surplus looking, you f*cking goose?

Oh, that’s right, what surplus?

Rabz

30 Aug 12 at 8:30 am
Fauxfacts Deathwatch

Will the great plummeting resume today?

Rabz

30 Aug 12 at 8:32 am
All seven people on the FBI’s domestic terrorism most wanted list, all of them very violent, are leftists.

Related:

#WarOnWomen: ‘I want to murder Ann Romney’; Left hurls misogynist hate, death threats at multiple #GOP women bit.ly/Uc3NXf— sdog (@s_dog) August 29, 2012

sdog

30 Aug 12 at 8:59 am
Hi Abu. Cold light of day here now. As for Coz, let’s just let her get on with it. BTW, I agree completely with you and JC on 3rd trimester abortions, in my view they are really deliveries and should be recognised as such and the child attempted to be saved during the process if they absolutely have to happen (for medical reasons only). Plus leaving a live born child to die is murder, no question. I won’t buy into the rest of the debate, although I wouldn’t personally encourage abortion of any sort, nor treat it lightly. But in the first trimester I do believe it is not up to me to judge.

This hairy ape has just had a lecture about working lunches involving Mouton Cadet, large cigars and snifters if Ardbeg…

Well my own hairy one remembers the great old days of the working lunch – now sadly departed into the land of we don’t drink at lunchtime. He is tremendously abstemious when he has to be. Quite the mineral water man.

But working dinners. They still abound and he always calls for extra bottles of the best ‘for da table’, ha ha. Enjoy what you can while you can Abu.

I am off to do a dance class to blow through some cobwebs myself.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

30 Aug 12 at 9:00 am
Far out. “Coz” from 29 Aug 12 at 6:29 pm onward.

What the hell was that all about?

I think she’s actually seriously unwell.

sdog

30 Aug 12 at 9:02 am
sdog – just on the war on women meme, I noticed some braindead wapo opinionista denouncing Anne Romney’s speech as “pandering to women”.

Unbelievable.

And to those keen on keeping up with the Presidential election campaign, I thoroughly recommend “the Corner‘.

Fascinating stuff.

Rabz

30 Aug 12 at 9:07 am
Fauxfacts Deathwatch

Will the great plummeting resume today?

People in the industry disagree, but looking at that list of journalists who were sacked I don’t believe I knew the name of any except Marr. That was not the case in the 80′s.

Seriously, who will miss the lapdogs?
_____________________________

Along those lines, I notice Mike Smith seems to moved branched out from the AWU scandal and is moving onto other stores the Stenographers purposely choose not to report:

5 people killed. Many more defence force people wounded and traumatised. Everyone on the boat lied to the coroner. But they all got visas and they are all of good character. I must have missed something in the details.

The only bloke convicted of any crime over the 5 deaths onthe illegal asylum seeker boat SIEV 36 has just finished his gaol sentence. He got 21 days. Plus a $500 bond to be of good behaviour for two years.

It’s hard to imagine Australians acting like the Afghanis,who took part in a plot that killed 5 people in Australian waters on 16 April,2009. It’s even harder to accept their collusion and orchestrated lying under oath to an Australian coroner about thekillings. We’ve traditionally had better character and higher expectations of ourselves than to allow people to get away with this sort of behaviour without punishment. But get away with it the boat people did–all bar one of them received no punishment at all, and each of them was rewarded with a permanent visa to stay here in Australia.

Hello, Fauxfacts this is how you will survive. Read this and learn.

Token

30 Aug 12 at 9:11 am
Far out. “Coz” from 29 Aug 12 at 6:29 pm onward.

What the hell was that all about?

I think she’s actually seriously unwell.

Coz had a meltdown a year or so ago where she actually fell apart in a serious way and was offline for months. It was very distressing to read to blog as she spiralled down.

I’m afraid that when she does a “Bird Attack” like last night its best to not condemn her too much in case she starts down that path.

Token

30 Aug 12 at 9:14 am
I second what Token said. I tried to suggest the same a couple of months ago, and Gab (if I recall correctly) thought I was just being a controlling smart arse, or something.

steve from brisbane

30 Aug 12 at 9:17 am
MSNBC airbrushes non-whites

MSNBC cuts every speech made by a minority from RNC speech coverage

Just despicable. They really are scum.

Labor / Demoncrats and their media mates are spiralling into places which makes the majority of the community disgusted.

Bolta had a good point on Mon night – Where are the pieces celebrating the election in the NT of 3 aboriginal CLP candidates. Add that to the federal Coalition member and it is clear Australia is going “post-racial”.

Instead we get crickets. Rather, like MSNBC, the ABC & the rest of the Stenographers choose to stoke the fires of hate and envy, and shocking events like the Australia Day riot is the result.

Token

30 Aug 12 at 9:19 am
Thanks Steve.

Token

30 Aug 12 at 9:21 am
Coz had a meltdown a year or so ago where she actually fell apart in a serious way and was offline for months. It was very distressing to read the blog as she spiralled down.

It would be best for all concerned if that person sought professional help and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

That outburst last night was a pitiful cry for help.

Rabz

30 Aug 12 at 9:23 am
“I’m afraid that when she does a “Bird Attack” like last night its best to not condemn her too much in case she starts down that path.”

I thought she was talking about her mother giving actual bone tissue donations or something but turns out she just meant normal pregnancy. She sounded angry.

candy

30 Aug 12 at 9:23 am
test

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 9:33 am
This site is fucked since the move!

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 9:35 am
What about an update on the maintenance of the site issue? I can’t get on to pose and can’t access directly.

Rafe

30 Aug 12 at 9:37 am
Can’t get on to post either!

Rafe

30 Aug 12 at 9:37 am
It would be best for all concerned if that person sought professional help and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

That outburst last night was a pitiful cry for help.

I’ve never asked for someone to be moderated before, but I do believe that when Coz has a “bird attack” she should get a time out.

As Candy notes, she gets very angry, and no-one is able to snap her out of it..

Token

30 Aug 12 at 9:40 am
I can post OK but there seems a real lag on loading even the catallaxy home page. It is really slow on 3G but even at home on 115mbps it takes a while to start loading.

Entropy

30 Aug 12 at 9:50 am
We seem to be an outlet for her, Token, but what she really needs is to talk to someone in real life about her issues.

Coz, if you’re lurking out there, please know that some of us are genuinely concerned for you. Please reach out to someone who might be able to help you.

sdog

30 Aug 12 at 9:53 am
That outburst last night was a pitiful cry for help.

My Phd in dime store psychology qualifies me to say the same.

Seriously, fuck she was erratic! Probably down to her mother telling her that she’d given her the shits since childbirth. Shit happens I guess!

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 9:54 am
People on Twitter have been asking what’s wrong with Catallaxy. Often, clearing their cache helps them to at least access the site again, but there seem to be some other ongoing issues as well.

More than a bit frustrating.

sdog

30 Aug 12 at 9:55 am
Obama is one classy motherfucker:

“As an acknowledgement of your []son’s []daughter’s supreme sacrifice, you may have already won a dinner and photograph with Barack and Michelle.”

Infidel Tiger

30 Aug 12 at 9:56 am
Rafe, if you are still getting that “web site movers” page, you could try force-refreshing your browser cache:

* Windows: ctrl-F5 (or maybe ctrl-shift-F5)
* Mac: cmd-R (I think)

Dangph

30 Aug 12 at 9:57 am
FAIRFAX Media has lost more than 30 leading journalists, as the bloodletting continues in the company’s bid to cut costs, a report says.

Here’s some suggestions of my own for immediate termination with extreme prejudice – JC, get out da fire hose…

Bonehead coorey
adill horror
Barkin’ betty farrelly
The Git
mike ‘male menopause’ carlton
braindead ben cubby house
pansy fitzsimmons
dicky ‘smugness’ ackbland
catherine ‘clownfish’ murphy
doug ‘acid casualty’ Anderson
unfunnybel crabb

Etc, etc, etc. Even flipping through the bloody app makes me physically ill.

End this disgraceful farce now, Gina. You know it makes sense.

Rabz

30 Aug 12 at 9:59 am
I mean I can’t put up new posts as a contributor as distinct from the riff raff off the street who just clutter up the site with comments.

Rafe

30 Aug 12 at 10:00 am
More form Mike Smith’s article:

In his formal findings The Coroner Greg Cavanagh says of Arman Ali Brahimi, the bloke with the lighter – “Having regard to the video evidence, and what he had said previously in his written statements, I must conclude that his denials are not to bebelieved. He has lied.” He has a visa to stay here.

The Coroner made this finding about others on the boat. “Other passengers were asked about this “lighter” incident. Most if not all of those who were on the front deck would have been in a position to see this incident.However, all the witnesses called denied knowledge of it. In so far as those depicted on the video were in a position to see and were in fact looking in the direction of the incident, I do not accept their denials of knowledge. They are lying.” They all got visas.

“Mohammad Anwa rMohammadi denied any knowledge of the pouring or the smell of petrol even though he was nominated by passenger “R” (a child whose name has been suppressed) as the person who said on the morning of the explosion “They had spilled petrol to burn the ship”. In fact Anwar Mohammadi denied knowledge of any unrest at all and claimed “everyone was happy” though he can be clearly seen on the video, portside of the cabin and close to the group who were resisting the directions of the ADF to move forward. He has not told the truth.” He got a visa.

Wow, what the hell is the Dep of Immigration doing? Crap like this won’t stay covered up forever, and when it comes out voters will go troppo!

Token

30 Aug 12 at 10:01 am
Thanks Dan, but no luck. I tried restarting the machine as well.

Rafe

30 Aug 12 at 10:03 am
Though offered up on a platter, Clinton administration refused to kill bin Laden in 1999.

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 10:04 am
That’s disgracefull IT, Obama too busy playing golf or fundraising. That in itself should be enough to be kicked out of office.

He’d be better off not sending letters at all.

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 10:04 am
It loaded Ok on ADSL 2+, but on an iPhone, once there’s more than about 60-70 comments, fergeddaboutit!

papachango

30 Aug 12 at 10:05 am
Gillard government kills another 144.

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 10:07 am
Bolta nails it linking ourselves to the anchor of Europe with the carbon price.

Gina as well, also at Bolta

Mrs Rinehart claims anti-business policies hurt the poor and the young more than the wealthy. “The terrible millionaires and billionaires can often invest in other countries,” she says. “And if they do suffer, what does that really mean? Maybe that their teenagers don’t get the cars they wanted, or a better beach house, or maybe the holiday to Europe is cut.

“No, those who hurt the most when investments are killed off by taxes, green tape and socialist policies that are not friendly to business or conducive to investment are those who usually vote for the anti-business socialist parties. And for them, the price is very high. It’s a job lost, when they have few savings, a mortgage to meet and children to clothe and feed.

“The millionaires and billionaires who choose to invest in Australia are actually those who most help the poor and our young.”

Rafe

30 Aug 12 at 10:08 am
Rafe, you could try clearing your cache altogether:

http://www.refreshyourcache.com

(I’m assuming the problem you are having is that you are getting a stale page, and not that you are having problems with logging in or whatnot.)

Dangph

30 Aug 12 at 10:11 am
Obama sent auto-penned pro formas to families of those 17 killed SEALS?

What an asshole.

——————————————————–

I mean I can’t put up new posts as a contributor as distinct from the riff raff off the street who just clutter up the site with comments.

That’s really below the belt, Rafe.

See what happens, folks? They forget the little people.

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 10:11 am
Gina as well, also at Bolta

So far I’ve seen a few Americans tweeting that piece, Rafe, people with thousands of followers.

I think,
(A) Bolta has a larger international following than people realise, and
(B) Gina’s advice strikes a pretty universal note.

Both are positive developments.

sdog

30 Aug 12 at 10:16 am
I told all y’all not to get too carried away with Gina Rinehart:

TREASURER Wayne Swan has slammed mining magnate Gina Rinehart for insulting Australian workers after she accused people of being jealous of the wealthy.

Ms Rinehart, Australia’s richest person, says those who are jealous of the wealthy should start working harder and cut down on drinking, smoking and socialising.

Right after you cut down on the hamburgers, love.

Wayne Swan weighs in, appears to be certifiable:

But Mr Swan said the comments were “an insult to the millions of Australian workers who go to work and slog it out to feed the kids and pay the bills”.

“The big question is whether (Opposition Leader) Tony Abbott will endorse Gina Rinehart’s social policies as he’s endorsed her tax, industrial relations and environmental policies,” the treasurer said in a statement on Thursday.

“Tony Abbott is Gina’s knight in shining armour when it comes to fighting for tax cuts for her and Clive Palmer.”

Mr Swan added: “The question for Tony Abbott today is does he agree with Gina Rinehart that Aussies are lazy workers who drink and socialise too much?

“Will he do her bidding and slash the minimum wage as Gina wants him to?”

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 10:17 am
Betty Farrelly in the remains of the Fairfax bunker:

Elizabeth Farrelly: My column on cyclists raised some hackels.

It would appear the sub-editors have been cleaned out too, and we are left with the gap year Gen-Yers who think a ‘hackel’ must be a metaphor for rapid conservative bloggers ( Hi Tim ) cause isn’t it like ‘jackel’ – kind of, y’know, like, waddever ?

Myrrdin Seren

30 Aug 12 at 10:18 am
Obama sent auto-penned pro formas to families of those 17 killed SEALS?

What an asshole.

Especially given that he was concerned enough about the welfare and feelings of that “gimme free pills” slut Sandra Fluke that he telephoned her personally.

Bush handled things differently.

sdog

30 Aug 12 at 10:21 am
Ms Rinehart, Australia’s richest person, says those who are jealous of the wealthy should start working harder and cut down on drinking, smoking and socialising.

Right after you cut down on the hamburgers, love.

CL, she was specifically targeting that to those who were jealous of those with more money than them.

And I see her point.

Alcohol, ciggies and a night out are VERY expensive in Australia. If the average moaner were to take the money they threw away on those things and invest it, they’d be that little step closer to being better off. Really, $5000+ (a pack a day plus a few cartons of beer + a few nights out) per year saved could really “empower” some of these always-crying-poor numpties.

She wasn’t issuing a general edict, as the Left does. Just advice to those crying poor.

sdog

30 Aug 12 at 10:28 am
“The question for Tony Abbott today is does he agree with Gina Rinehart that Aussies are lazy workers who drink and socialise too much?

Is this the same c**t who runs a government which has gone out of its way to punish the working man with punitive alcohol and ciggie taxes?

Fuck off and die you sawn off piece of shit.

Infidel Tiger

30 Aug 12 at 10:32 am
Another murderous assault by our supposed Afghan allies:

Fears 3 Aussie troops dead in Afghanistan

Cultural differences seem to play a part in the escalating chaos:

Many US soldiers were appalled by the rampant torture of dogs and puppies they witnessed while being based with ANSF units

US soldiers reported that they had observed many cases of child abuse and neglect that infuriated them and alienated them from the civilian populace

There have been numerous accounts of Canadian troops in Kandahar complaining about the rampant sexual abuse of children they have witnessed ANSF personnel commit, including the cultural practice of bacha bazi, as well as the raping and sodomizing of little boys…

US soldiers…mentioned the poor treatment and virtual slavery of Women in Afghan society, and how they found such practices repugnant

A fighting retreat of the ISAF forces out now, and leave nothing modern for the medieval jihadis to fire back at us after the place goes to hell. Return it to their treasured pre-modern state, for which they joyfully kill and die to achieve.

Myrrdin Seren

30 Aug 12 at 10:33 am
Oh, sdog, did you have to go and to that? sfb will be livid.

But did anyone expect anything more of the man we have learned him to be?

dover_beach

30 Aug 12 at 10:38 am
A fighting retreat of the ISAF forces out now, and leave nothing modern for the medieval jihadis to fire back at us after the place goes to hell.

Don’t forget to napalm the poppy fields, as well, thanks.

Rabz

30 Aug 12 at 10:39 am
I’d always resisted blogging. It swallows time and, well, why give away something for which you should be paid?

The above quote is from Farrelly’s piece in the SMH today.
What a pompous, arrogant fool this woman is. The whole piece is full of the typical leftist memes of sexism, misogyny and Murdoch inspired haters.
In her bleating about how unfair it is to cop criticism for the opinions that she should be paid for, she seems to miss the irony when she states,

I understand the truckie didn’t like being outed. But it’s that old privacy thing: if you wouldn’t want it known, don’t do it. If it was OK for him to do it, it was okay for me to say so.

Well Liz, if you don’t want to be criticised for your opinions, don’t make them known.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Aug 12 at 10:40 am
“I understand the truckie didn’t like being outed.”

In retrospect perhaps she thinks it would have been better to just go round the truck and say Hi how’s your day to the driver in a friendly way like other people do and be cheerful. but she “outed” him.

candy

30 Aug 12 at 10:45 am
I understand the truckie didn’t like being outed. But it’s that old privacy thing: if you wouldn’t want it known, don’t do it. If it was OK for him to do it, it was okay for me to say so.

I look forward to her applying this rule scrupulously in regards to her own private life, the private life of her favored politicians, and of course, her colleagues.

dover_beach

30 Aug 12 at 10:50 am
Oh, sdog, did you have to go and to that? sfb will be livid.

I’m about to be out of radio range for the next 10+ hours, so I get to leave it to you all to deal with him

Hahahahaha! Have fun, kids!

sdog

30 Aug 12 at 10:53 am
Is there anything duller than a load of middle class Melbournites all agreeing with each other how great it is to be middle class in Melbourne?

Is there anything duller than Melbourne?

Rococo Liberal

30 Aug 12 at 10:54 am
What a pompous, arrogant fool this woman is.

And to think that fauxfacts still haven’t sacked the loathsome, lobotomised cow.

That incredibly smug, stupid, utterly incoherent piece of shit was the reason I finally vowed I would never again pay money to have my intelligence insulted by dirty, disgusting marxist morons.

She is an absolute disgrace and should rightfully be on the frigging dole.

My god, she makes me furious.

Rabz

30 Aug 12 at 10:55 am
Edna – Coz, if you’re lurking out there, please know that some of us are genuinely concerned for you. Please reach out to someone who might be able to help you.

I can’t be expected to keep up with all the obvious ape colony bullshit that seems to pass for comment here. I’ve been outside, unlike you lot.

I shall in future simply call you all either Edna or Norm.

coz

30 Aug 12 at 10:55 am
Is there anything duller than Melbourne?

That’s a tough one.

coz

30 Aug 12 at 10:56 am
CL –
Taking snippets quoted by Swan? Did you read Rinehart’s article?

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 10:57 am
Good to the smh this morning trumpeting the new ALP dental scheme that isn’t funded but is merely the same as the Coalition’s old scheme with an ALP brand sticker on it.

This smacks of the old Bob Carr method of running the Government: just keep making new spending announcements without actually carrying them out. Then after a year or so make the same announcement again with a few minor tweaks.

This works at a STate level where media scrutiny isn’t the best, but at Federal Level I think the ALP will find that such guff will be noticed by at least some of the media.

Rococo Liberal

30 Aug 12 at 11:03 am
“That people can anonymously abuse someone in public is not freedom of expression. It’s slander. It’s not taking responsibility for your views. It’s not citizenship.”

Bullshit.

See @GeordieBoy’s links here: CLICK

Also, see the EFF on anonymity.

I’m jack of the legacy media whinging about anonymity and (worse) trying to take it off us. FFS, the Founding Fathers of the USA “blogged” (leafleted) anonymously.

Seriously – have a read. There are more studies, too, but I don’t have time to find them right now. Anyone, feel free to borrow those links. I ‘gotta zip’ now. ‘Rock n roll’. Cheers.

sdog

30 Aug 12 at 11:10 am
Dumbarse billionaires are the gift that keeps on giving for the Labor Party.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 11:12 am
monty -

Fuck off and buy your own condoms, they’ll only perish in your wallet anyway.

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 11:16 am
And blue collar workers having a hand in white collar crime are a blessing for the liberals.

Dan

30 Aug 12 at 11:18 am
Dumbarse billionaires

If only to be that dumb, eh m0nt?

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Aug 12 at 11:19 am
Coz

Why Edna and Norm?

On the principle that men, not being able to get pregnant, cannot have a say on the ,oral questions surrounding abortion, does that mean that we cannot also comment on female circumcision?

Rococo Liberal

30 Aug 12 at 11:23 am
If only to be that dumb, eh m0nt?

Yes, I’m sure you’re jealous of an heiress.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 11:23 am
“She wasn’t issuing a general edict, as the Left does. Just advice to those crying poor.”

i agree with Ms Rinehart’s comments cept for the bit about alcohol and cigs/entertainments. People need relaxation and whatever floats the boat, none of anyone else’s beeswax.
perhaps she’s a little defensive about all the flak she receives from around the place and who could blame her, some nasty stuff is said, and it is from sheer envy (a wasted emotion).

candy

30 Aug 12 at 11:24 am
I agree with Ms Rinehart’s comments cept for the bit about alcohol and cigs/entertainments. People need relaxation and whatever floats the boat, none of anyone else’s beeswax.

I think Rinehart was making sense about the alcohol & cigs.

My parents didn’t indulge in either so they could pay for our education and dental work.

Token

30 Aug 12 at 11:28 am
@sdog – the Founding Fathers of the USA were dangerous rightwing extremists, when measured by current socialist non-heteronormative standards.

What with their freedom and equality for all, there desire to be free of an oppressive taxation regime.

brc

30 Aug 12 at 11:28 am
“That people can anonymously abuse someone in public is not freedom of expression. It’s slander. It’s not taking responsibility for your views. It’s not citizenship.”

~~Sorry~~ Listen dickheads, while you continue to labour under the delusion that you have some right to censor my views and hound me through the so called legal system, I will continue to insult and belittle you with great vengeance and furious anger, you dumbarse leftist twats.

Get over yourselves.

If you weren’t so singularly stupid and offensive, people might not point out these self evident truths with such gusto.

Rabz

30 Aug 12 at 11:29 am
She wasn’t issuing a general edict, as the Left does. Just advice to those crying poor.

I’m not so sure, Spot.

I recall Reinhart taking a swipe at drinkers generally once before. She was advocating tobacco-like tax hikes. That’s why a plonked a big question mark over her in the first place.

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 11:29 am
m0nster, unlike most heirs, big Gina has not pissed the inheritance up against the wall, she has removed herself from the old mans shadow and parlayed a small fortune into a very large one.
Perhaps the people in Canberra who provide you with your daily talking points could take note of what Gina has done and try it themselves. You know, instead of doing the opposite and turning the very large fortune that they inherited into a very,very small one.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Aug 12 at 11:32 am
Republicans bring the cool:

Clint Eastwood To Speak At Republican Convention on Thursday: Fox News.

Preview of remarks to Obama, Biden, Pelosi and Reid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYdbGHzaTk

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 11:36 am
Perhaps the people in Canberra who provide you with your daily talking points could take note of what Gina has done and try it themselves.

Righto then, we all get issued with reams of leases for vast swathes of outback land to exploit during the largest mining boom in a century, do we?

Gina is not a self-made woman. No one believes that claptrap, Huck. Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 11:37 am
You can choose to chillax on beer and ciggies if you want. You have the freedom to do so.

What you do lose when sitting back smoking and drinking is the ability to criticise who do get off their derrieres and save and invest for the future.

brc

30 Aug 12 at 11:38 am
The problems don’t seem to only be here, but just about anywhere where comments/opinions against our Union/Crook/Government can be made.

Pickering Post is running like a dog with all sorts of problems it
didn’t use to have (particularly, lots of posts having ‘certain portions’ omitted, even short portions you try to re-post separately),
and until this morning, even the Herald Sun Poll,

‘Do you support the union action at the Emporium site?’,

is NOT working, oops spoke too soon,
it isn’t working again…it was something like,
400 for Unions to 2000 against,
but now not showing results and being sent to an
“Internal Server Error” message again…
hell, even the 2GB Live Feed keeps cutting out!

O.K., First, on clicking at the HS POLL, ‘nothing happened’,
then the ‘server error’ message,
and now even the ‘Yes’ and ‘No’ buttons are missing.

So I went to ‘comments’ to ask about it,
and got this:

HTTP Status 500 – Content Server error

type Status report

message Content Server error

description The server encountered an internal error (Content Server error) that prevented it from fulfilling this request.
Apache Tomcat/6.0.18

true lilly

30 Aug 12 at 11:40 am
Obama sends out form letters to parents of dead Navy SEALS – signed with an electronic pen

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08/obama-honored-fallen-seals-by-sending-their-parents-a-form-letter-signed-by-electric-pen/

jtfsoon

30 Aug 12 at 11:40 am
Ms Rinehart is the opposite of those Hilton girls in America who squander their family fortune, probably billions wasted on nothing and seem to add or build nothing but just take. parasites (pretty, but still parasites!)

candy

30 Aug 12 at 11:41 am
I’m sorry.

I’m calling bullshit on the idea that a wave of billionaires and entrepreneurialism would be unleashed if only people gave up the Winnie Blues.

Palmer is a fucking idiot who wants to hurt Abbott and Rinehart’s latest won’t help much either.

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 11:43 am
Fuck off m0nty, if you are going to quote me, use the whole quote and don’t cherry pick and then put up straw men.
I was simply making the comparison between Gina- who was gifted a head start in life, but has not wasted it away, compared to the ALP- gifted an incredibly large surplus but they have pissed it up against the wall.
Don’t throw straw man arguments at me about being self made, show me where anyone that visits these pages has said anything of the sort.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Aug 12 at 11:46 am
Eastwood to Democrats:

If you all apologise – like I know you’re going to…

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 11:47 am
Perhaps the people in Canberra who provide you with your daily talking points could take note of what Gina has done and try it themselves. You know, instead of doing the opposite and turning the very large fortune that they inherited into a very,very small one.

Yeah, good point.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 11:49 am
m0nster, unlike most heirs, big Gina has not pissed the inheritance up against the wall, she has removed herself from the old mans shadow and parlayed a small fortune into a very large one.

Quite a reasonable statement I feel. As others note, few heirs to fortunes power on in the 2nd generation. So what is the response?

Gina is not a self-made woman. No one believes that claptrap, Huck. Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.

Remember these sage words from Dennis Prager when having a dialogue with a lefty:

Get used to feeding ideas into the meatgrinder of the progressive mind and getting mutilated caricatures of what you’re saying fed back to you. That’s what they need to do in order to continue avoiding the next point.

I’m sorry Huck. Based upon what M0nty posts it seems you’re statement filled M0nty with envy and his responses when he gets like that are very ugly.

Token

30 Aug 12 at 11:50 am
Yes, I’m sure you’re jealous of an heiress.

Says the guy who shills for the ALP – the torch bearer for nepotism and the home of every ugly political dynasty in Australia for the last 100 years.

twostix

30 Aug 12 at 11:50 am
m0nty – you’re exactly who she’s taking about. You have ideas that might be a success but you’re all talk and zero committment to get the job done.

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 11:52 am
You can choose to chillax on beer and ciggies if you want. You have the freedom to do so.

What you do lose when sitting back smoking and drinking is the ability to criticise who do get off their derrieres and save and invest for the future.

Thanks BRC, that puts the point I was making better than I can make it.

I’d also add to the point that many who make the sacrifice do get very grumpy about schemes like the Dental scheme when we see people who spent their cash chillaxing crying poor…

Token

30 Aug 12 at 11:58 am
America, land of the free? not

Sad to see a great nation decline

Rococo Liberal

30 Aug 12 at 11:58 am
8 years ago, Rumsfeld was copping flax for sending out form condolence letters signed electronically.

People were also complaining that, although Bush was signing his letters, they were form letters.

This strikes me as a trivial issue.

steve from brisbane

30 Aug 12 at 11:59 am
Coz

Why Edna and Norm?

On the principle that men, not being able to get pregnant, cannot have a say on the [m]oral questions surrounding abortion, does that mean that we cannot also comment on female circumcision?

The Edna/Norm thing refers to the bourgeoise Melbourne groupthink that dominates here, not really a reference to abortion at all. I would also be prepared to use ‘Toady’,'Sycophant’ or ‘little bully boy’ if people prefer.

If you folks are unaware of it, maybe you need to know about the Asch tests, cos your living proof.

http://www.psychwiki.com/wiki/Asch%27s_Conformity_Study

coz

30 Aug 12 at 12:00 pm
copping flack!

People probably weren’t sending him linen.

steve from brisbane

30 Aug 12 at 12:02 pm
Leftards do not have a clue about wealth creation. As Gab so aptly said: it’s like trying to reason with the Taliban.

Lazlo

30 Aug 12 at 12:03 pm
She should get out of the cake shop and make her own way in the world.

Do you say the same about Kim Beazley?

twostix

30 Aug 12 at 12:04 pm
Barking mad fascist mouth foaming over on your ALPBC about da Pell and the greatest moral challenge of our time™…

Warning: Industrial grade idiocy and totalitarian concepts.

Rabz

30 Aug 12 at 12:05 pm
My position on abortion would be closer to coz than CL. However the way she has gone about arguing it, and her frequent display of inferiority complex, Marxist class warfare and making excuses about her station in life is not appealing

jtfsoon

30 Aug 12 at 12:05 pm
On the one hand, we’re ‘extremists’, on the other, we’re ‘conformists’.

dover_beach

30 Aug 12 at 12:06 pm
We’re multifaceted creatures, Dover.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 12:08 pm
Fuck me, if it isn’t little Stevie and his sock puppet Julius. What wait, there’s more? m0nster, coz et al.
Now all we need is SteveC, Jarrah and fuckwit febrile and we will have all the resident trolls in one place at one time! (probably a bit harsh on Jarrah)
Anyone else notice how we haven’t heard from Steve all morning, but lo and behold- up he pops at 11.59, exactly the same time as the sock puppet Julius decides to make its first contribution for the day. Then bugger me, coz is next at bat, hitting off at midday!
All of this 20 minutes after the m0nster made his 1st appearance.
Must just be a coincidence I’m sure.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Aug 12 at 12:09 pm
Passive Aggressive Toady – My position on abortion would be closer to coz than CL. However the way she has gone about arguing it, and her frequent display of inferiority complex, Marxist class warfare and making excuses about her station in life is not appealing.

Cat got your tongue sonny?

coz

30 Aug 12 at 12:10 pm
to think all this started because coz was complaining Tasmania had too high standards of hygiene because people complained if you left poo on the sidewalks.

Perhaps coz should consider moving to Bombay

jtfsoon

30 Aug 12 at 12:12 pm
I was simply making the comparison between Gina- who was gifted a head start in life, but has not wasted it away, compared to the ALP- gifted an incredibly large surplus but they have pissed it up against the wall.

Howard is a more salient analogy, if you’re going there. Gifted a large surplus by Hawke and Keating’s reforms, and did nothing with it but expand middle class welfare. Gillard was gifted a GFC shit sandwich.

You’re trying to assert that all Rinehart got was a “head start”, and she worked hard to make good on it. I call bullshit on that too. It doesn’t take a gun entrepreneur to ring up BHP Billiton, tell them to start digging, and give an address for the royalty cheques.

I’m not envious of Rinehart’s life. She has destroyed her family over money, and the only people she might call “friends” are sycophants like Singleton or colleagues with vested interests like Cowin. It must be a lonely life she leads.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 12:18 pm
“My parents didn’t indulge in either so they could pay for our education and dental work.”

i’m for prudence too but as to how a person’s spends their money earned from their job is their own beeswax.

but i feel dental care is just making sure your kids brush their teeth properly twice each day which is commonsense and saves money. Also drinking water and reduce the sugary stuff.

candy

30 Aug 12 at 12:19 pm
Seriously I don’t understand this dental care urgency.

I hate going to the dentist. I can literally count on one hand the number of times I’ve been to the dentist in my life. OK, maybe 2 hands but still less than 10. Over 37 years. And I don’t have a single filling and every dentist has complimented me on how strong my teeth are (and this despite all the sparring).

I think people just eat too much sugar or something,

jtfsoon

30 Aug 12 at 12:23 pm
Is there anything duller than Melbourne?

well yes. Adelaide. Canberra. Brisbane. Anywhere in Sydney once you’re out of sight of the harbour.

you’re all just jealous

papachango

30 Aug 12 at 12:24 pm
chunkwart, it may suit your conspiratorial mind to imagine that all of the “trolls” work out co-ordinated attacks in order to maximise your personal annoyance (I mean, you probably believe umpteen national weather bureaus ring each other up about how much they can artificially boost temperature records so as to prove AGW) but I can assure you that you are imagining things (and that you’re an unpleasant twat).

steve from brisbane

30 Aug 12 at 12:24 pm
“Gillard was gifted a GFC shit sandwich.”

she was gifted a couple of married “boyfriends” too to help her out!

candy

30 Aug 12 at 12:25 pm
LOL, M0nty, each day pitch up doing your feral pekanese actwith stuff with the crap you make up and get put in your place.

Go back to Crikey or the Dumb or a similar place where people are equally riddled with hate and envy over their failures in life.

Token

30 Aug 12 at 12:25 pm
Does anyone else here think that coz and febro are one and the same?
I know coz is from Tassie, and I have a memory from an earlier open thread of JC (I think) calling bullshit on febro who had denied ever being to Tassie after earlier proclaiming how good it was to touch down in Hobart again.
There seems to be a real pattern of sock-puppetry amongst the trolls, and I reckon that with the changes to the site that require you to put your ID in every time you post, we may see a few incidences of posters forgetting which sock puppet that they are meant to be.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Aug 12 at 12:27 pm
And I don’t have a single filling

I nominate Mr Soon “Man of the Year”.

dover_beach

30 Aug 12 at 12:27 pm
Huck, no.

dover_beach

30 Aug 12 at 12:28 pm
(and that you’re an unpleasant twat).

Remind me again Steve how that working with children check is going.
Is that unpleasant enough for you?

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Aug 12 at 12:31 pm
“Gillard was gifted a GFC shit sandwich.”

Hasn’t it been proven since then that the GFC didn’t hit Australia hard at all and the money Gillard/Rudd pissed up the walls was just a waste and didn’t make one iota of difference to the economy?

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 12:32 pm
Jason, I wonder if it has something to do with the particular bacterial ecosystem different people get in their mouths. As a child, we rarely had soft drink; fruit juice was not common, and lollies were a very occasional treat (maybe once a week?) Yet I had plenty of cavities in some of my “baby” teeth, and later in adult teeth, even though I was having normal adult brushing habits as a older child.

(Another thing I have noticed is how any decay problems seem to slow down as you get older.)

But I have spoken to people about my age, with the same sort of profile of how much sugarly stuff would be at home, and they have barely had a cavity in their life.

I don’t know if there has been research about it, but it certainly seems odd to me how some people just seem to be unlucky regarding the amount of tooth decay suffered.

steve from brisbane

30 Aug 12 at 12:33 pm
“Gillard was gifted a GFC shit sandwich.”

Did the “GFC” occur in 2010?

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 12:34 pm
Does anyone else here think that coz and febro are one and the same?
Dingleberry I know coz is from Tassie, and I have a memory from an earlier open thread of JC (I think) calling bullshit on febro who had denied ever being to Tassie after earlier proclaiming how good it was to touch down in Hobart again.
There seems to be a real pattern of sock-puppetry amongst the trolls, and I reckon that with the changes to the site that require you to put your ID in every time you post, we may see a few incidences of posters forgetting which sock puppet that they are meant to be.

LOL, yes you never know, I could be all of em.

coz

30 Aug 12 at 12:37 pm
My position on abortion would be closer to coz than CL.

Even in just a passing comment, never, never, never lower yourself to even a remote comparison/similarity with Coz.

Don’t you feeling unwashed now? Ewww!

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 12:38 pm
Thass right schlepps, always toady, speak the groupthink.

coz

30 Aug 12 at 12:39 pm
Huck, you can never prove they are the same person, and after reading her stuff for over a year I do know Coz has a deeper intellect than Febro who is a moronic troll.
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“Gillard was gifted a GFC shit sandwich.”

Did the “GFC” occur in 2010?

What did you say about the Taliban Gab?

Token

30 Aug 12 at 12:40 pm
It must be a lonely life she leads.

m0nty, don’t forget, we have seen a photo or two of you.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Aug 12 at 12:45 pm
Obama sends out form letters to parents of dead Navy SEALS – signed with an electronic pen

Wow, just like Rummy did (& Bush was accused of doing).

badm0f0

30 Aug 12 at 12:47 pm
I do know Coz has a deeper intellect than Febro

Yeah, profoundly deep like a kids paddling pool.

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 12:48 pm
Wow, just like Rummy did (& Bush was accused of doing).

As if on cue, one of the trolls that I forgot about turns up. You couldn’t script this shit.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Aug 12 at 12:52 pm
signed with an electronic pen

I think that’s the point, he couldn’t be bothered to even personally sign the letters. Does this mean he didn’t even see the letters? Couldn’t be bothered to read and ensure that’s what he wanted to say to the families of the deceased SEALS? Just let his staff handle it all for him as he was too busy with a round of golf or entertaining the glitterati at an election fund raiser?

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 12:53 pm
An ALP razor gang. A sure sign that nothing will change and spending will increase.

Sean

30 Aug 12 at 12:54 pm
“Gillard was gifted a GFC shit sandwich.”

And commenced to let it rot in the sun, then try and feed it to the populace.

A competent goverment governs competently, no matter what the winds may bring.

Howard and Costello went through the Asian financial crisis without too much trouble. The dot-com bust and post-Sep 11 slowdown were also navigated pretty well.

Declaring a leader good though they failed to navigate a crisis is like saying a coach is OK even if they keep losing, because he hasn’t got any good players.

brc

30 Aug 12 at 12:58 pm
I do know Coz has a deeper intellect than Febro

Yeah, profoundly deep like a kids paddling pool.

You may disagree, but it is deeper than Febro. Like PP Coz has a caustic obsession about some topics.
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You can bet this article is the one that got M0nty remember the Keating / Beazley black hole that made the voters not trust Labor on economics for over 10 years:

Labor’s $120bn budget blowout

Future governments may need to raise $120 billion – or almost $20,000 for the average four-person family – by the end of the decade to pay for Labor’s spending commitments.

Analysis by The Australian Financial Review of future demands on the budget supports recent warnings by Treasury secretary Martin Parkinson and his predecessor, Ken Henry, that the tax system will be unable to cope with new spending promises.

Even as China’s economic boom shows signs of cooling, potentially torpedoing the federal government’s revenue projections, political parties continue to raise expectations about costly future policies.

These include the National Disability Insurance Scheme, which is expected to require an extra $10.5 billion a year within six years, a $4 billion dental care scheme, announced on Wednesday, as well as $5 billion a year for education recommended by the Gonski schools review.

When you hear M0nty whine about how bad Labor had it in 2007 (when they had the biggest spike in tax revenue in Aus history) you know he is working off Labor talking points to distract from the fact we’ll be paying for this government for more than a decade.

Token

30 Aug 12 at 1:00 pm
ALP razor gang slits open the sacks of money.

Woolfe

30 Aug 12 at 1:00 pm
Obama sure does hate the troops.

The feeling is obviously mutual.

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 1:00 pm
Does this mean he didn’t even see the letters?

Hmmm …
“I didn’t write that, somebody else made that happen.”

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 1:04 pm
My position on abortion would be closer to coz than CL.

Fair enough Jase, but I’m not sure you’re mother would be complaining she gave birth to you, as well as implying (like Coz’s ma) that she had wished she had aborted you like Coz’s ma (according to Coz).

At one time last evening Coz was actually advocating for her own abortion…. that is, her mother should have had her hoovered.

I’m not being judgmental here. I’m just making an observation.

Blame me for raising the abortion issue. I just posted an ad I saw by a person who actually survived an abortion and it kinda freaked me out a little.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 1:04 pm
The subbies are driving me nuts. They exercise no initiative. They could have finished last night but the decided to ask me to authorise something THAT I HAD ALREADY BLOODY AUTHORISED THEM TO DO.

Jacques Chester

30 Aug 12 at 1:06 pm
Jason, I wonder if it has something to do with the particular bacterial ecosystem different people get in their mouths. As a child, we rarely had soft drink; fruit juice was not common, and lollies were a very occasional treat (maybe once a week?) Yet I had plenty of cavities in some of my “baby” teeth, and later in adult teeth, even though I was having normal adult brushing habits as a older child.

Eeeeeew… God you’re a repulsive individual, Stepford. The worst.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 1:06 pm
Jacques

I still can’t access the site. Is it a problem on my end or the site’s.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 1:08 pm
Thanks for the update, Jacques. It’ll all be up and running smoothly soon. No dramas.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 1:08 pm
What are you crapping on about JC?

steve from brisbane

30 Aug 12 at 1:10 pm
What does someone do when hate is they have left:

First it was MSNBC treating convention speakers Artur Davis, Mia Love, and Ted Cruz like nonpersons. And now it’s Yahoo! Washington Bureau Chief David Chalian getting caught on an ABC webcast saying Mitt Romney would be “happy to have a party when black people drown.”

Chalian, not surprisingly, was fired almost immediately when the word got out, but the climate in which he would make such an insane statement is very much alive and well. Why would anyone dream of saying such a thing in a semi-public situation if he didn’t feel safe and among friends?

Another lefty sacked for making hate-filled statements. That is over 10 this year.

At a conference where African- & Latino- Americans are getting standing ovations from the RNC faithful the Left has been toxic.

Token

30 Aug 12 at 1:10 pm
These include the National Disability Insurance Scheme, which is expected to require an extra $10.5 billion a year within six years

Err, no. That make an extra $15 billion per year, which is the latest cost estimate from the Australian Gubberment Actuary.

Rabz

30 Aug 12 at 1:11 pm
No dramas.

No way. Kick their ass Jacques!

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 1:11 pm
We don’t to be told about the inside of your disgusting mouth Stepford. You’re repulsive as it is. Keep that shit at your own unread blog.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 1:12 pm
What I meant by no dramas, Nanu, is from our end here, as in it’s not exactly a life & death situation not being able to smoothly access the Cat.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 1:14 pm
My position on abortion would be closer to coz than CL.

That’s pretty embarrassing.

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 1:15 pm
Didn’t you use tooth powder in the old days, Steve?

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 1:19 pm
What I meant by no dramas, Nanu, is from our end here, as in it’s not exactly a life & death situation not being able to smoothly access the Cat.

Indeed, some would call it productive.

brc

30 Aug 12 at 1:19 pm
Seriously I don’t understand this dental care urgency.

There is no urgency. Dentistry is like a haircut. It’s a vanity project.

Infidel Tiger

30 Aug 12 at 1:21 pm
What I meant by no dramas, Nanu, is from our end here, as in it’s not exactly a life & death situation not being able to smoothly access the Cat.

The server owners Jacques has subbed to don’t sound they’re quite up there with Larry & Sergey. They sound more like the cheap knockoff version.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 1:24 pm
Mia Love:

she told NR that female and minority Republicans often face heightened press scrutiny.

“Am I surprised by it?” she said. “No. I think that that’s exactly what the current administration fosters — they foster divisiveness. They’re trying to divide us based on social status, income level, and gender. And I think it’s time for us to say we’re not standing for it any longer.”

Rabz

30 Aug 12 at 1:26 pm
As if on cue, one of the trolls that I forgot about turns up. You couldn’t script this shit.

You need to learn the definition of troll, deadshit.

badm0f0

30 Aug 12 at 1:29 pm
There is no urgency. Dentistry is like a haircut. It’s a vanity project.

not if you’ve got serious tooth decay, or especially if you need root canal treatment.

dd

30 Aug 12 at 1:33 pm
Ah yes, the topic that disgusted me so much it inspired my pseudonym/avatar has returned:

Shameful: Racist Left: ‘GOP trotting out tokens,’ ‘good ole token negro black boys,’ ‘ Uncle Toms’

Shame on you. As Twitchy reported last night, the racist Left started using the despicable hashtag #NegroSpotting during last night’s coverage of the Republican National Convention. But that was just the tip of the repugnant iceberg

Token

30 Aug 12 at 1:38 pm
not if you’ve got serious tooth decay, or especially if you need root canal treatment.

Pay for that on your own dime. Next you’ll be wanting me to pay for your short back n’ sides, Jheri curls or Bieber flop.

If you own a TV or a car and you still have a tooth ache, then you have fucked up priorities and should be shot.

Infidel Tiger

30 Aug 12 at 1:40 pm
Another lefty sacked for making hate-filled statements. That is over 10 this year.

In twenty years the left will have made books and produced boring moves about how in 2011/ 2012 there was such extraordinary “right wing” control of the entire news media (complete with blacklists and mass firings), that good hearted truth seeking left of centre media people such as David Chalian had to hide their true beliefs to work in the industry out of fear of being “blacklisted”.

Rupert Murdoch will be cast as he grand puppet master of the conspiracy.

You watch it’ll be like the 1990′s whitewash and Orwellian revision of the traitorous, hateful, soviet sympathetic, commie infested 1950′s hollywood all over again.

twostix

30 Aug 12 at 1:40 pm
New essays by French author Richard Millet, which say Anders Behring Breivik’s Norwegian massacre was the result of immigration and multiculturalism, have caused an uproar in France

Millet states he does not approve of Breivik’s murderous actions that left 77 people dead, he does write the slaughter was “without doubt what Norway deserved.” The reason? Norway, Millet contends, allowed immigration, multiculturalism and the domination of foreign customs, language and religion to become such dominant influences that a self-designated defender of traditional society felt compelled to take decisive action.

“European nations are dissolving socially at the same time as they’re losing their Christian essence in favor of general relativism.”

Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/08/28/french-essayist-blames-multi-culturalism-for-breiviks-norwegian-massacre/#ixzz24ztGCGnf

Viva

30 Aug 12 at 1:42 pm
Labor are going to need to wheel out the Wombat Whisperer to give a big tick to all this spending.

It is starting to look worse than Howard when he knew he had a problem – only difference was he already had the taxes in the bank. The Goose is having to put it all on the credit card.

H B Bear

30 Aug 12 at 1:46 pm
it’s not exactly a life & death situation not being able to smoothly access the Cat.

But I want to kill trolls!

nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 1:49 pm
to be fair to Steve from Brisbane i think he was making a point that no matter how you look after your teeth, it’s the luck of the draw if you end up getting rotten teeth.
But i’m pretty sure dentists say brushing several times per day will prevent most problems, i think that’s accepted knowledge.
also babies need their teeth cleaned too, as letting their little teeth get cavities and rot ruins their gums for the upcoming second teeth.

it’s all in the brushing.

candy

30 Aug 12 at 1:53 pm
If you own a TV or a car and you still have a tooth ache, then you have fucked up priorities and should be shot.

I’m as anti-socialised medicine as the next guy IT, but it is possible to own a car and a TV and then get a toothache.

papachango

30 Aug 12 at 2:00 pm
>it’s all in the brushing.

and the flossing. Don’t forget the flossing.

Almost everyone in Australia can afford basic dental care. There is no need to give more tax to the government so they can give it back via a gigantic Canberra office en route to the dentist at the end of your street.

Dentists should fight this with all their being. At first they might think it’s like manna from heaven, but no government gives cash out without strings attached. Whether it is onerous reporting, increased industry inspection, forced unionisation of staff, or something else – no sane-minded dentist should want a part of this.

Being a GP has gone from being a well-paid and respected profession to something you wouldn’t wish on your worst business enemy. All because the Government inserted themselves between doctor and patient, and like an annoying relative peeking over the shoulder at a proctology examination, wants to know and be a part of everything.

Dentists take note. Get your associations together and tell the Feds to go jump.

brc

30 Aug 12 at 2:03 pm
candy – Yes, genetic predisposition to tooth decay has been established. I’d count myself as one of those lucky ones who has good genetics in that respect having no fillings at all. Introduction of fluoride has helped a lot too.

Also poor dental health is a stronger predictor of heart problems than high cholesterol. So what you save on dental maintenance you might end up paying a lot more for on acute coronary care a few years down the line. Its rather telling by the incentives private health insurance funds offer their members to have regular dental health checks – its the one service they really want you to use.

I think it always has been a bit of an oddity that basic dental health (and I’m not talking about cosmetic work, although some of it can certainly make maintaining dental hygiene a lot easier) has not been included in medicare.

btw scary child teeth xray for the day

http://nilsgeylen.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/childstheeth-via-benwakeling.png

Chris

30 Aug 12 at 2:11 pm
So today we’ve blogged about coz’s “issues” and Sfb teeth. Gun please!

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 2:15 pm
Its rather telling by the incentives private health insurance funds offer their members to have regular dental health checks – its the one service they really want you to use.

What a lot of unmitigated garbage.

They want you to use the service because it’s relatively cheap and is a reminder of the value of the private healthcare. And regular checks saves them the cost of a bigger payout down the line when a dentist has to do serious remediation work. It’s the same reason they dabbled with allowing you to claim running shoes a while back, but stopped that when it was clear that people weren’t actually doing any more exercise, and probably led to more physio bills as fatties hurt themselves trying to run.

I think it always has been a bit of an oddity that basic dental health has not been included in medicare.

Why on earth would anyone advocate giving more tax to the government so that the government can pay for their dentist for them? Why not just give the cash to the dentist directly?

brc

30 Aug 12 at 2:18 pm
The first law of business reporting is “follow the money”. Australian businesses might be telling confidence surveys one thing, but their money is doing something else. Reports of the death of the capex boom have indeed been exaggerated.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 2:19 pm
Also poor dental health is a stronger predictor of heart problems than high cholesterol.

Is that correlation or causation? It could be that both the teeth and heart problems are caused by a third factor.

Dangph

30 Aug 12 at 2:22 pm
It’s the same reason they dabbled with allowing you to claim running shoes a while back, but stopped that when it was clear that people weren’t actually doing any more exercise

That was not the reason given at the time for withdrawing the $100 rebate on sports shoes.

The left whipped up a moral panic about evil private health insurance holders stealing taxpayers’ money (through the 30% rebate) to buy sports shoes.

I know because I was extremely pissed off about the stinky leftist dishonesty at the time.

Rabz

30 Aug 12 at 2:27 pm
m0nty -
Make up your mind, are capitalists good or bad?

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 2:28 pm
You probably should learn to settle down and worry less, Rabz. All this bile in your system would be making you sick.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 2:29 pm
As an unwilling virgin, Monst, do you think you ought to be talking to others and lecturing them about build up of bodily fluids?

Honest question.

Thanks.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 2:32 pm
m0nty -
Make up your mind, are capitalists good or bad?

Everyone else is fair game except monst to monst. That’s how he thinks.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 2:33 pm
You probably should learn to settle down and worry less

Bugger that.

I’m an unrepentant ol’ grump and proud of it.

Rabz

30 Aug 12 at 2:33 pm
The left whipped up a moral panic about evil private health insurance holders stealing taxpayers’ money (through the 30% rebate) to buy sports shoes.

Really? I missed that. Mercifully I must have been out of the country at the time.

Anyway, there’s a much bigger link to using sports shoes and avoiding heart disease than avoiding the dentist and getting heart disease.

I agree with Dangph in that dental issues are caused by the same things that cause other health issues – mainly people paying no attention to what they put in their mouths, and pretending health issues from bad lifestyle won’t happen to them.

Incidentally, most chronic drug users have severe dental problems.

brc

30 Aug 12 at 2:36 pm
Don’t take any shit from him Rabz. None whatsoever. Anyone that takes to a golf course in an old t-shirt, dilapidated shorts, black work socks and scruffy sneakers all color coordinated in the worst combination known to man simply deserves contempt and the most severe contempt if the person is a leftwing idiot.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 2:37 pm
m0nty -
Make up your mind, are capitalists good or bad?

Genuine entrepreneurs who invest and create new wealth through hard work and innovation are great.

Rinehart is a trust fund kiddie, essentially.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 2:46 pm
The server owners Jacques has subbed to don’t sound they’re quite up there with Larry & Sergey. They sound more like the cheap knockoff version.

For $249/month I expected better service, no lie.

Jacques Chester

30 Aug 12 at 2:47 pm
The first law of business reporting is “follow the money”. Australian businesses might be telling confidence surveys one thing, but their money is doing something else. Reports of the death of the capex boom have indeed been exaggerated.

Businesses make long-term strategic and financial decisions, Monty. Mines aren’t web-sites. The money sloshing about now isn’t necessarily indicative of what businesses are deciding now about the longer term future (as measured in confidence surveys). Michael Pascoe would know that if he wasn’t a moron.

C.L.

30 Aug 12 at 2:47 pm
For $249/month I expected better service, no lie.

Sounds like you’re getting screwed, Jacques. I hope you’re not paying good money to any Australian provider, they’re ripoff merchants.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 2:51 pm
I agree with Dangph in that dental issues are caused by the same things that cause other health issues

You can see that starkly with the raw vegans. Some of them do well in the short term on that diet, but after a few years a lot of them start getting lots of cavities due to nutrient deficiencies. I think there’s a lot to be said for the idea that teeth become weakened from the inside out due to poor health or poor nutrition.

Dangph

30 Aug 12 at 2:51 pm
Just listened to Condoleezza Rice’s speech … worth listening to.

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 2:53 pm
Is that correlation or causation? It could be that both the teeth and heart problems are caused by a third factor.

As I recall there is epidemiological data that suggests a direct connection between poor teeth and coronary inflammation, with the ‘postulated biological pathway’ beloved of epidemiologists being a blood born bacterium. However recent work on auto-immune inflammation, bacteria and the breakdown of the self-other distinction, providing opportunities for bacterial floral disturbance due to anti-biotic intervention to have as yet unknown consequences, leave the field rather more open to speculation than just one simple causation imho. (I know that’s a convoluted sentence but I can’t bear writing it again, having lost it once already to this system).

Anyway, having a cesspit of feasting bacteria growing anywhere in substantial oversupply in the body is a bad idea in general, and so it’s worth cleaning up rotten teeth just because …

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

30 Aug 12 at 2:56 pm
Rinehart is a trust fund kiddie, essentially.

She turned a large fortune into a fucking huge forture you dolt!

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 2:59 pm
I hope you’re not paying good money to any Australian provider, they’re ripoff merchants.

These views brought to you by mOnty and Gina Rinehart.

Infidel Tiger

30 Aug 12 at 3:00 pm
leave the field rather more open to speculation than just one simple causation imho

Lizzie, yes, good point. There are probably all sorts of causal loops going on.

Dangph

30 Aug 12 at 3:03 pm
Genuine entrepreneurs who invest and create new wealth through hard work and innovation are great.

Anyone that can turn $75million into $30+billion is doing something right.

If I gave you $75 could you turn into $30,000?

Infidel Tiger

30 Aug 12 at 3:03 pm
For $249/month I expected better service, no lie.

Yowsers. Who pays for this thing?

brc

30 Aug 12 at 3:04 pm
She turned a large fortune into a fucking huge forture you dolt!

Who couldn’t? It’s easy to make money when you have money.

coz

30 Aug 12 at 3:08 pm
Anyone that can turn $75million into $30+billion is doing something right.

She took a winning lotto ticket to the servo and got paid. That’s not entrepreneurialism.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 3:10 pm
” So what you save on dental maintenance you might end up paying a lot more for on acute coronary care a few years down the line.”

if you look after your teeth, the bacteria does not go into your gums that (could) go to your heart apparently. so brushing (and flossing) several times per day makes good sense i tend to think.

candy

30 Aug 12 at 3:12 pm
She took a winning lotto ticket to the servo and got paid. That’s not entrepreneurialism.

Good heavens but you’re a jealous and talentless hack who runs a pitiful website that employs no one.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 3:16 pm
Who couldn’t? It’s easy to make money when you have money.

Tipsy, she started off with $75 million when the old man croaked it in 1992. 20 years later, at the height of the commod boom, her estimated net worth was $30 billion.

That’s an astounding 45% compound rate of return per year.
Buying BHP shares in the same time frame and comparing like with like would have produced at return less than half of that.

Tipsy, stop talking about shit you don’t know about because you don’t know. Okay.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 3:16 pm
Paul Ryan:

It all started off with stirring speeches, Greek columns, the thrill of something new. Now all that’s left is a presidency adrift, surviving on slogans that already seem tired, grasping at a moment that has already passed, like a ship trying to sail on yesterday’s wind.

President Obama was asked not long ago to reflect on any mistakes he might have made. He said, well, “I haven’t communicated enough.” He said his job is to “tell a story to the American people” – as if that’s the whole problem here? He needs to talk more, and we need to be better listeners?

Ladies and gentlemen, these past four years we have suffered no shortage of words in the White House. What’s missing is leadership in the White House. And the story that Barack Obama does tell, forever shifting blame to the last administration, is getting old. The man assumed office almost four years ago – isn’t it about time he assumed responsibility

Link

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 3:17 pm
Good heavens but you’re a jealous and talentless hack who runs a pitiful website that employs no one.

Congrats Gab, every part of that sentence is wrong. You should stick to the pom-poms.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 3:19 pm
JC, stick it where the sun don’t shine.

coz

30 Aug 12 at 3:19 pm
so brushing (and flossing) several times per day makes good sense i tend to think.

So does spending less than you make, and checking evidence before embarking on wild schemes.

But try teaching that to your average leftie.

As for Reinhardt, if multiplying your inheritance by 400 times is simple, I wonder why very few manage?

> It’s easy to make money when you have money.
It’s even easier to lose money when you have it.

People who denigrate those who have done well usually do so as a lame attempt at brushing off their own lack of success from their own failings. ‘I’m not rich because only rich people get rich’. Well, no. People with inheritances get a head start, but, more crucially, they were taught how to think properly from a young age. And not to throw good money after emotions instead of reason.

brc

30 Aug 12 at 3:21 pm
She took a winning lotto ticket to the servo and got paid. That’s not entrepreneurialism.

If it’s legal (or should be legal like drugs) and has a positive rate of return then it’s a worthwile enterprise, Monster.

Stop talking shit like you have some sort of moral standing to dictate what is and isn’t entrepreneurial. All we need now is you and harry directing traffic as to who who is or isn’t in the club. Just shut Monster, you idiot.

You’ve been told this before, the door bell rings but there’s no one ever home.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 3:21 pm
You should stick to running your little webesite, monty. Perhaps you might even catch up on a few chores.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 3:21 pm
Yowsers. Who pays for this thing?

I do. Actually, as of a few weeks ago, it’s fully sponsored by my Pty Ltd.

Sounds like you’re getting screwed, Jacques. I hope you’re not paying good money to any Australian provider, they’re ripoff merchants.

We’re on WPEngine now. Everyone else raves and they’re supposed to be full-service.

I mean it’s running nice and quick, so that’s good. But the move has involved some pretty piss-poor customer service on their part and some underwhelming technical chops from the subbie they tapped to perform the actual move.

Anyhow. Once I can log into my own blog I might do a write-up.

Jacques Chester

30 Aug 12 at 3:22 pm
People with inheritances get a head start, but, more crucially, they were taught how to think properly from a young age. And not to throw good money after emotions instead of reason.

Sounds like something a Dad’s Army character might say.

coz

30 Aug 12 at 3:23 pm
JC kills every Rinehart attack made by the left with one simple fact:

Buying BHP shares in the same time frame and comparing like with like would have produced at return less than half of that.

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 3:24 pm
If it’s legal (or should be legal like drugs) and has a positive rate of return then it’s a worthwile enterprise, Monster.

Spoken like the unscrupulous speculator you are, JC.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 3:25 pm
She took a winning lotto ticket to the servo and got paid. That’s not entrepreneurialism.

So what should she have done with the $75 Million she inherited then? Or, put another way, how much would she need to turn it into, or how many new jobs would she need to create, or how much extra money would she need to add to the Government’s coffers (while maintaining and growing her capital) before you’d consider her to be entrepreneurial?

Maybe if you ask nicely she can give you $75 Million and you can show her and the rest of us how a real entrepreneur would do it.

Naed

30 Aug 12 at 3:25 pm
Coz, Monty,

Let me guess, you have never managed any significant business in your lives or made any sort critical business decisions after weighing up all the risks.
If you had, you would realise it required more than luck, it also requires brains, creativity & self-awareness

Richard D

30 Aug 12 at 3:25 pm
“I hope you’re not paying good money to any Australian provider, they’re ripoff merchants.”

What customers claim about the nominee for the 2000 Australian IT Entrepreneur of Year…

“Ausbone are incompetent though. I tried joining months ago, their contact – Paul (guess who) seems to have done a runner, and every ISP I called who belonged to Ausbone had no idea what it was. ”

DavidJ

30 Aug 12 at 3:28 pm
Buying BHP shares in the same time frame and comparing like with like would have produced at return less than half of that.

And she could just as easily have sold-off the interests when Dad died and headed off to Monte Carlo for a life of hedonistic delight. Instead, she stayed, took risks, invested the money she inherited, employed people, contributed positively to the economy and made more money herself. She took risks and they paid off and for this the mealy-mouthed lefty moralists get almighty upset. How dare she be successful!!

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 3:28 pm
How much did Rose get? Anybody know?

coz

30 Aug 12 at 3:31 pm
i don’t think Australians are inherently jealous of other’s wealth it’s normal to aspire to something better, but W. Swan/ALP are trying to stir up trouble and vulnerable people fall for it, it’s kind of manipulation.

candy

30 Aug 12 at 3:32 pm
“Ausbone are incompetent though. I tried joining months ago, their contact – Paul (guess who) seems to have done a runner

If only was a married man with kids he’d be Julia’s next amour.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 3:32 pm
invested the money she inherited

Gee that sure took some brains, creativity and guts. She coulda put it under the mattress.

coz

30 Aug 12 at 3:33 pm
Teeth are really interesting and tell us quite a lot about ourselves. Archaeologists are now grinding up ancient teeth from Stonehenge and using the mineral composition etc to tell exactly where that individual grew up (thus showing that in the Bronze Age it was not too unusual for people to travel from their homelands in the Swiss Alps to Stonehenge, presumably for a bit of a magical boost to their health problems found in those other remnants of existence, their bones).

I have a slight ridge on my upper toothline, not at all noticeable but my dentist (otherwise the world’s most boring man) picked it, saying that I must have had a serious illness when I was about eight or nine to have caused these ridges. If I was on my deathbed aged nine then no-one noticed, I told Da Hairy Ape. I can’t recall it myself. But no-one noticed my bursting appendix till I sat down in a gutter (oh the symbolism) and refused to move till neighbours called an ambulance. Hey, maybe that was it. I might have been about eight then. Must ask Sis. (Sorry, not meant to be another poor me story, just thinking aloud and now I might have an explanation.)

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

30 Aug 12 at 3:34 pm
>Sounds like something a Dad’s Army character might say.

And you sound like a character from Prisoner. So that’s fair.

brc

30 Aug 12 at 3:36 pm
Fellow Cats –

Please don’t feed coz. She’s probably on her 3rd or 4th bottle of gin by now, she just throws up and makes a mess everywhere. Let her crash out for the rest of the evening.

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 3:36 pm
It should be pointed out that the $30 billion valuation on Rinehart’s fortune was based on iron ore prices before the arse fell out of it. It will be interesting to see how far that number falls in the next rich list.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 3:37 pm
JC, stick it where the sun don’t shine.

you know I love sinc. I love him like a brother, but he has one huge fault. He doesn’t have a culling season from time to time.

One American trader blog I hang around in the evening has culled over 1000 commenters over the last year or so and they are never allowed to be get back on. The blogger is boastfully proud of this.

Sinc… please take note.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 3:37 pm
RichardD,

Coz, Monty,

Let me guess, you have never managed any significant business in your lives or made any sort critical business decisions after weighing up all the risks.

You are actually incorrect about our friend the m0nster.
Just google “ausbone”and you will find that m0nster indeed has run a company…………..into the ground!

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Aug 12 at 3:38 pm
The supreme Irony Of All This is that, if Gina had bankrolled Emilys Listers and made noises about da boat people, she would be feted and carried aloft on the shoulders of the emotional idiots who call themselves lefties as a shining example of the sisterhood.

But no. She uses here brains and reason instead, points out stupid policies that are counter productive, and has the hide to try and turn around a communist newspaper company which places staff feelings before corporate well being. Thus she is the devil, and must be spoken ill of at every available opportunity.

brc

30 Aug 12 at 3:40 pm
It should be pointed out that the $30 billion valuation on Rinehart’s fortune was based on iron ore prices before the arse fell out of it. It will be interesting to see how far that number falls in the next rich list.

What ya hoping for, monty? For Gina’s business to fail? You’re an idiot.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 3:41 pm
And she could just as easily have sold-off the interests when Dad died and headed off to Monte Carlo for a life of hedonistic delight.

Or she could have just as easily got BHP Billiton in to take all the risk and do all the work, while she sat back and ate the royalty cheques like so many mouthfuls of pavlova. Oh wait, that’s what she did do.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 3:41 pm
Fellow Cats –

Please don’t feed coz

Oh, all right then. One must rise above shooting fish in a barrel.

brc

30 Aug 12 at 3:42 pm
It should be pointed out that the $30 billion valuation on Rinehart’s fortune was based on iron ore prices before the arse fell out of it. It will be interesting to see how far that number falls in the next rich list.

Lets call it $15 billion then.

200 times. Any fund manager who could do that would die of cocaine and whore abuse.

Infidel Tiger

30 Aug 12 at 3:44 pm
Or she could have just as easily got BHP Billiton in to take all the risk and do all the work, while she sat back and ate the royalty cheques like so many mouthfuls of pavlova. Oh wait, that’s what she did do.

LOL little fat monty pokes fun. You just don’t have the nous and talent, monts. Look, running your business into the ground is bad, and you did it by all accounts very well and then scurried off. Not to worry, as long as you’ve learned from your mistakes you can move on to your next business venture. Perhaps it will be a multi-million $$$ investment like Gina’s was?

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 3:45 pm
Catamites and catamite fanciers

Please don’t feed ToadyNanu. She’s unable to tell the difference between day and night and tries to control the narrative in a pedestrian sort of way.

coz

30 Aug 12 at 3:46 pm
Or she could have just as easily got BHP Billiton in to take all the risk and do all the work, while she sat back and ate the royalty cheques like so many mouthfuls of pavlova. Oh wait, that’s what she did do.

Ummm No, she didn’t. She used the earnings from the trust and leveraged up buying other assets in the mining business. She’s a smart lady, unlike the virgin 38 year old who comments here and should have been culled long ago.

the trust fund has eggsactly the same assets as when Dad died and they are worth around $5 billion of the $30 billion.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 3:47 pm
You’re so adorable when you try to act like a real commenter, Gab. You’re the Vernon Troyer of the Cat.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 3:48 pm
it’s kind of manipulation

It’s blantant manipulation and disgusting hypocrisy too when they’re all millionaires themselves despite having never stepped outside of university / union / ALP politics in their entire lives.

Or as Gillard put it: “and usually union officials are worth a fair bit when they leave one union and go to another”.

M0nty’s level of “outrage” over systemic embezzlement by the mafiosi like “Labor Movement”?

0.00.

twostix

30 Aug 12 at 3:48 pm
Why are you folks always clamping your lips around the orifices of people you perceive to be influential or powerful?

coz

30 Aug 12 at 3:49 pm
Paul Ryan Addresses GOP Convention: “We Don’t Have Much Time”

Brilliant speech by Paul Ryan and a withering forensic indictment piece by piece of the Obama administration.

“My playlist starts with AC/DC and ends with Zeppelin”

“A government planned life, acountry where everything is free but. Listen to the way we are spoken to!”

Vid ands transcript at the link

JamesK

30 Aug 12 at 3:49 pm
Don’t you feel any sense of shame about that?

coz

30 Aug 12 at 3:50 pm
“A government planned life, a country where everything is free but us”

JamesK

30 Aug 12 at 3:50 pm
Or she could have just as easily got BHP Billiton in to take all the risk and do all the work, while she sat back and ate the royalty cheques like so many mouthfuls of pavlova. Oh wait, that’s what she did do.

Oh, you are that stupid m0nty!

Hmmm….
1. m0nty will address the next BHP shareholders AGM with what he has uncovered… their investment in BHP made its competitor more sucessful.
2. Adonis-m0nty makes fat jokes.

Go away dolt!

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 3:51 pm
What is is with lefty “males” that have to resort to nasty misogynistic comments when confronted with logic and reason by a female conservative who shows them up for the little boys they are? Must be their insecurity.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 3:51 pm
it’s normal to aspire to something better

Candy, you often talk such uncommon common sense. Good on you.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

30 Aug 12 at 3:51 pm
Fellow Cats, for those of you that don’t know, follow the link and find the picture of the man that looks like a gobbledock from the Smith’s crisps ads from a few years ago.
Once you have stopped laughing, ask yourself if it is the height of irony for the gobbledock man to say,

she sat back and ate the royalty cheques like so many mouthfuls of pavlova. Oh wait, that’s what she did do.

Pot, kettle, black-I think all of those words come to mind. As well as ranga!

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Aug 12 at 3:52 pm
Spoken like the unscrupulous speculator you are, JC.

Unscupulous? Really Monster? I’ve never cheated anyone in my life you fat turd. I buy and sell stocks, bonds and currencies on the public markets with publicly quoted bids and offers.

If trading off that is unscrupulous, according to you, you ought to be placed in a stock for a week having kids throw rotten fruit and eggs at your fat head.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 3:52 pm
She used the earnings from the trust and leveraged up buying other assets in the mining business. She’s a smart lady

Of course she’s your hero, JC. She is everything you hope to become: wealthy without toil, a billionaire through speculation. If only you’d been the fruit of Lang’s loins instead of her.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 3:53 pm
In the end Ms Rinehart can do whatever she likes with her money, because it’s hers.

She didn’t steal it, like the Wilson/Williamson,Thomson crooks.

candy

30 Aug 12 at 3:55 pm
I’ve never cheated anyone in my life

Yes, well, I doubt monty can say the same, eh Ausbone boy?

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 3:55 pm
What is is with lefty “males” that have to resort to nasty misogynistic comments when confronted with logic and reason by a female conservative who shows them up for the little boys they are? Must be their insecurity.

LOL Gab, you started this exchange with the following passage of sweetness and light:

Good heavens but you’re a jealous and talentless hack who runs a pitiful website that employs no one.

If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 3:56 pm
mOnty’s about to go on 26 weeks holiday. That should be fun for Catallaxy commentators.

Infidel Tiger

30 Aug 12 at 3:57 pm
If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

lol

or is you case, stay outta the pantry.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 3:58 pm
twostix nails it : if we’re going to start peering into how people made their money, lets take a look at people like Shorten and his ilk.

Why bother employing people when a couple of well-placed slush funds will do the job?

You can then go on TV with the supreme irony of being ‘for the workers’ when in fact you’ve been systematically fleecing them. Tending the workers in the same way a shepherd tends his flock – and the sheep turn around and defend him, right up until the lambs are loaded onto the truck. Then they wonder who is really working for who.

Why indeed be an entrepreneur when it would seem that going to Labor shagging camps is the far easier way. All you need to do is practice your lying and deception.

I googled Ausbone – could only find references to them being a company adept at selling $10 bills for $5 a piece, doing brisk business before crashing due to lack of funds.

brc

30 Aug 12 at 3:58 pm
Of course she’s your hero, JC.

No, she’s not my hero, Monster. However I do admire the big gal for what she has accomplished.More power to her that she inherited 75 big ones too. She’s thrived in what is essentially a man’s business and that’s admirable.

She is everything you hope to become: wealthy without toil, a billionaire through speculation.

I’m happy in my own skin you oaf. A spare bill would come in handy though.

If only you’d been the fruit of Lang’s loins instead of her.

But hardly as handsome if I were I speculate.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 3:58 pm
But no. She uses here brains and reason instead, points out stupid policies that are counter productive, and has the hide to try and turn around a communist newspaper company which places staff feelings before corporate well being. Thus she is the devil, and must be spoken ill of at every available opportunity.

Nailed it.

M0nty et-al are merely leaves blowing about in the howling pop-culture leftist gale, unsure of why they think what they do and why one month they hold one view then the next month the total opposite.

Female leftist billionaire = Empowered goddess.
Female non-leftist billionaire = pure evil / fat / hateful / disgusting, lonely, loser, etc.

We even had a leftist here using Paris Hilton as an example of a “good” heiress. Yet it was only 2007 that the left raged against her…until she shilled for Obama that one time, then immediately all the rage went away.

If Gina donated a mil to the ALP and denounced Abbott M0nty would be here slobbering all over her.

Such is the nature of the unthinking shill.

twostix

30 Aug 12 at 3:59 pm
mOnty’s about to go on 26 weeks holiday. That should be fun for Catallaxy commentators.

And… loving it.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 4:00 pm
mOnty’s about to go on 26 weeks holiday. That should be fun for Catallaxy commentators.

Monst, where are you off too?

JC

30 Aug 12 at 4:00 pm
m0nty, stop avoiding the real issues here.
You are a fat, balding, childless, bachelor of 40 odd years. Explain yourself please.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Aug 12 at 4:00 pm
In the end Ms Rinehart can do whatever she likes with her money, because it’s hers.

Apparently that sentiment only applies to lefty millionaires.

She didn’t steal it,

Ah, maybe that’s what upsets the lefty trolls.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 4:01 pm
Howard is a more salient analogy, if you’re going there. Gifted a large surplus by Hawke and Keating’s reforms, and did nothing with it but expand middle class welfare. Gillard was gifted a GFC shit sandwich.

Monty, your swing at Howard was about as accurate as your golf. Hawke and keating owed their reforms to a largely concordant opposition, and if any politician should get credit for those reforms it should be the alleged moron in the whitehouse at the time – who set the tenor of reform for the era.
On the other hand, Howard had an opposition and senate that blocked tax cuts but allowed middle class welfare. A Labor party that could run away from hawke and keating fast enough.
No doubt that Gillard was gifted a shit sandwich by her predecessor but she was the one buttering the bread and helping him to squat over it.

Rob

30 Aug 12 at 4:01 pm
But hardly as handsome if I were I speculate.

Yeah righto, Groucho.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 4:01 pm
Personally i freaking hate traveling. You’ve seen one 300 year old European church you’ve seen them all i reckon. Beach hols are okay though.

Wifey has been impossible over this.

She wants to “travill” and I keep putting it off because I hate it.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 4:03 pm
I’m not off anywhere, JC. No OS holidays this year. I’m actually working hard in the off-season, got several projects on the go.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 4:03 pm
Yes Huck,

Well it was a guess
If you think business decisions are all about luck, why do a proper risk assessment or any research?
And I notice the Left aren’t particular into the concept of Cost/Benefit before implementing anything at all.
I can understand why Monty’s business did quite work out in the end

Richard D

30 Aug 12 at 4:03 pm
Yea right. You’re just jealous monst.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 4:04 pm
I’m not off anywhere, JC. No OS holidays this year. I’m actually working hard in the off-season, got several projects on the go.

Oh okay, like improving the looks of that dog’s breakfast of a site.

Hire Jacques as I’m sure he would improve the looks. He’s great at that sort of thing.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 4:05 pm
So mOnty what do you think about the Carlton coach getting the sack?

Tal

30 Aug 12 at 4:06 pm
While the death of five servicemen in two separate incidents in Afghanistan is a tragedy (yet another insider attack and a helicopter crash), the Prime Minister is sending a terrible signal to our Pacific neighbours by leaving the Pacific Islands Forum early. Her excuse (that she’ll get fuller briefings back in Australia) doesn’t wash in these days of global telecommunications. She will be replaced at the Forum by a Departmental Head- not even a Minister! A great way of letting the Pacific Island leaders know where they stand in Australia’s priorities.

Cold-Hands

30 Aug 12 at 4:06 pm
5 diggers passed away today in a war. RIP.

Lest we forget.

pete m

30 Aug 12 at 4:07 pm
So mOnty what do you think about the Carlton coach getting the sack?

Typical Carlton mentality, they’re a prima donna club and they have always done things the wrong way. This post on one of the fan forums is pretty spot on.

The Board want to run the place on other peoples money like they run their businesses. When it fails oh well.

Private equity version of a football club, not a membership based model as Demetriou suggests is the AFL style.

Ratten was second choice to Voss, and Malthouse is second choice to Roos, neither had a due diligence process like the other “AFL model” clubs where you appoint a panel of experts and interview for senior roles, not sneaky coffees and hush hush manager denials.

I like Mick reckon he’s a super motivator of people and perfect for this group, but we keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Hopefully this time we get lucky. Brittain, Pagan, Ratten, Malthouse, all no review one, one out of four (if it’s three cherries in a line with MM) with the clubs money, is not an effective strike rate in business………sits waiting for $200 raffle ticket phone call

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 4:10 pm
Wonder if Swan will cut the arts grants and the glowbull warmening grants to help fill in that $10 billion black hole in the imaginary surplus budget.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 4:10 pm
Why don’t they fly the briefings brieflet maker to her?

pete m

30 Aug 12 at 4:10 pm
Cold Hands..

But lets get real. These islands may be nations and all but they are basically just sand banks that ought to part of the Australia co-posterity sphere.

It would have been better if the Lying Slapper stayed on of course for the simple reason that anything she touches turns to shit like midas in reverse.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 4:10 pm
THE controversial abortion drug RU486 has been approved as safe and effective for use by the nation’s medicines watchdog and will become more widely available six years after parliament voted to strip former Health Minister Tony Abbott of his the power to veto the medicine.

How did this happen? Something about vested interests…

No medicine company had been willing to apply to sell the medicine in Australia and it was the sexual and reproductive organisation Marie Stopes that finally sponsored the drug and asked for TGA approval for its listing in Australia.

sexual and reproductive organisation

Why not call them what they are? Abortion clinics.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 4:15 pm
Since it began use in Australia there have been 792 reports of adverse events reported to the TGA with 579 reports citing retained products of conception and 126 ongoing pregnancy.

Other rare adverse events included significant haemorrhage, uterine perforation.

Marie Stopes will have to undertake a post market study to check whether adverse events increase after the drug is open to wider availability.

Yep, safe as.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 4:17 pm
James

Great speech by Ryan. He also looks great in a slim fitting suit too.

The tone of his voice is just perfectly pitched too I think. It’s very non-threatening.

If there’s one thing he should change it’s the mid western drawl higher pitch at the end of a sentence.

Cute looking kids too. That’s worth at least 2 points.

JC

30 Aug 12 at 4:19 pm
Gab, shouldn’t you and the other Opus Dei members be discussing this stuff at catholick Weakly?

coz

30 Aug 12 at 4:23 pm
Her excuse (that she’ll get fuller briefings back in Australia) doesn’t wash in these days of global telecommunications.

Yea, there must be more to it than that. Planning to meet relatives or to attend funerals?

Chris

30 Aug 12 at 4:25 pm
I’m actually working hard in the off-season, got several projects on the go.

Get real m0nty, updating your profile on RSVP etc. isn’t work, besides your quest to ge laid isn’t working.

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 4:28 pm
Re my earlier comment, I see there was a short article on this at Scientific American 10 years ago:

Why do some people get more cavities than others do?

…

All bacterial biofilms are not alike, however. Although Mutans streptococci and other species have been implicated as primary culprits in causing caries, some people who are infected with these species of bugs don¿t get cavities. Genotypically different strains of the same bugs exhibit varying levels of cariogenicity. Therefore, it¿s not just the quantity of plaque biofilm present, but the specific strain with which one is infected that is important in predicting who might get cavities.

So, basically, it sounds like I was right. Some people will be lucky in avoiding cavities; others will have to work much harder, depending on what strain of bug they happened to get living in their mouth.

I also would add: I have never lost a tooth to tooth decay or had any major dental work (apart from wisdom teeth removal due to them not coming out fully). Just had my fair share of fillings over the years despite what I think is a decent diet and good dental hygiene.

steve from brisbane

30 Aug 12 at 4:32 pm
But lets get real. These islands may be nations and all but they are basically just sand banks that ought to part of the Australia co-posterity sphere.

While they are client states of Australia, we still can’t take them for granted if we want to process “asylum seekers” offshore.

Yea, there must be more to it than that. Planning to meet relatives or to attend funerals?

The bodies won’t be repatriated before the end of the Island Forum. More likely she a) can’t be bothered with Foreign Affairs (She’d much rather be reading Das Kapital to schoolkids somewhere), or b) She doesn’t trust her Caucus not to plot her overthrow while she’s overseas.

Cold-Hands

30 Aug 12 at 4:37 pm
Get real m0nty, updating your profile on RSVP etc. isn’t work, besides your quest to ge laid isn’t working.

You are a very poor quality stalker.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 4:39 pm
“I’m actually working hard in the off-season, got several projects on the go.”

Does one of your “projects” include removing all the gravy stains from your favourite Garfield PJ’s?

DavidJ

30 Aug 12 at 4:41 pm
And here’s one who’s even worse.

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 4:42 pm
Does one of your “projects” include removing all the gravy stains from your favourite Garfield PJ’s?

that actually made me lol.

Gab

30 Aug 12 at 4:44 pm
Bloody hell, News Ltd websites are still going on about the “c-bomb” Qantas thing. Who edits their on-line sites, some 15 year who thinks this is the funniest thing ev-a?

steve from brisbane

30 Aug 12 at 4:58 pm
Just News Ltd?

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 5:07 pm
Just idly browsing gossipy stuff on Yahoo and came across this. Don’t know whether this woman has hit hospital for a publicity stunt or because mindless and really nasty hate trolling has really got to her. If so, she’s not very tough in the sticks and stones league, and one wonders why she is on Twitter at all, but it does also raise real issues about deranged minds and the internet (some of her Twitter commenters look and sound positively psychopathic and I don’t know why she responds to them – except perhaps to build up her hit numbers?). If they don’t know who you are, then they do themselves more damage than they do you, imho, but if the derangement could spill over to their target in real life, problems emerge. This is just another good reason for the anonymity of the Cat.

I’m going to avoid responding to clearly deranged people on the Cat and hope that they go elsewhere and seek help. CL is right. Basically, non-engagement is the appropriate technique for derangement intruding into a forum like this one.

However, other trollery note, it is still business as usual. Ignore, or destroy. We can’t take all the fun out of it.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

30 Aug 12 at 5:10 pm
m0nty – What? Did i hurt your feeling? Sorry. I’m sure there’s somebody out there for you. Don’t give up!

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 5:12 pm
I’m merely pointing out that your information is incorrect, Nanue.

How’s your personal life going, btw?

m0nty

30 Aug 12 at 5:20 pm
Just great m0nty; wife, four happy kids, house,good income, savings & investments, oversees holidays, mistress etc. Thanks for asking. You?

Nanuestalker

30 Aug 12 at 5:33 pm
THE Federal Coalition is calling for changes to existing laws – or for new tougher laws – that would better protect people from cyber-bullying and harassment.

Proof that these morons don’t fucking get it, and that their “we’ll repeal 18C” talk is just telling their audience what they want to hear.

The Coalition members who asked for this should go hang themselves.

Fleeced

30 Aug 12 at 6:52 pm

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