Wednesday Forum: September 5, 2012 at Catallaxy Files

Wednesday Forum: September 5, 2012

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September 5th, 2012 at 12:01 am

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In the Beginning…

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 12:01 am
..there was the Doomlord?

Jarrah

5 Sep 12 at 12:01 am
DNC Convention Gets Off to Drunken Start

CHARLOTTE, N.C. – A California delegate to the Democratic National Convention was hospitalized early this morning, after apparently falling unconscious in a hotel lobby following a night of drinking, while another delegate became confrontational with hotel staff and has since left the delegation, a party official said.

Drunk & disorderly conduct, quelle surprise!

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 12:02 am
LOl more of happy #emptychairday

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 12:05 am
Womb with a View

Fascinating photos of in-utero animal embryos and foetuses

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 12:07 am
Sad to see a thoroughly dishonest leftist fucktard open this thread

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 12:08 am
Sad to see a thoroughly dishonest leftist fucktard open this thread

I find it hilarious. They’re both running around with a leg in the air thinking they’ve won arguments when in reality they’ve been thoroughly beaten on every point. Very Gillardian behaviour.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 12:11 am
Those are amazing composites, JamesK, thanks for the link.

Jarrah

5 Sep 12 at 12:12 am
It’s gotta be a worry when even Fox news thinks Ryans convention speech “was deceitful”

When said by unpaid Fox contributor Sally Kohn – a left-wing lesbian community organiser and George Soros-funded campaigner for the BDSM-Leather-Fetish, Swing, and Polyamory Communities , no – not so much.

Note that SteveC casually lied about the opinion of “Fox News…” while criticising deceit.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 12:14 am
Note that SteveC casually lied about the opinion of “Fox News…” while criticising deceit.

Usual lying. Not a surprise. Leftists lie all the time. They’re so spiteful at the moment.

JC

5 Sep 12 at 12:16 am
Fears Rising, Spaniards Pull Out Their Cash and Get Out of Spain

It is, Julio Vildosola concedes, a very big bet.

After working six years as a senior executive for a multinational payroll-processing company in Barcelona, Spain, Mr. Vildosola is cutting his professional and financial ties with his troubled homeland. He has moved his family to a village near Cambridge, England, where he will take the reins at a small software company, and he has transferred his savings from Spanish banks to British banks.

“The macro situation in Spain is getting worse and worse,” Mr. Vildosola, 38, said last week just hours before boarding a plane to London with his wife and two small children. “There is just too much risk. Spain is going to be next after Greece, and I just don’t want to end up holding devalued pesetas.”

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 12:17 am
Obama’s Accelerating Downward Spiral For America: “New income data from the Census Bureau reveal what a great job Barack Obama has done for the middle class as President. During his entire tenure in the oval office, median household income has declined by 7.3%.”

How’s that hopey-changey stuff workin’ out for ya? (Insty).

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 12:20 am
Hill Poll: Voters say second term undeserved, country is worse off

A majority of voters believe the country is worse off today than it was four years ago and that President Obama does not deserve reelection, according to a new poll for The Hill.

Fifty-two percent of likely voters say the nation is in “worse condition” now than in September 2008, while 54 percent say Obama does not deserve reelection based solely on his job performance.

Only 31 percent of voters believe the nation is in “better condition,” while 15 percent say it is “about the same,” the poll found. Just 40 percent of voters said Obama deserves reelection.

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 12:23 am
Oh God. I didn’t know she did and said this.

Peter van Onselen: Mine games go down like lead.

JULIA Gillard’s speech at the Association of Mining and Exploration Companies conference yesterday was a classic case of not understanding one’s audience. It was truly bizarre.

Having accepted an invitation to open the conference, the Prime Minister barely referred to the mining sector in her 20-minute speech. Instead she spoke about education.

She could have used a speech on education to zero in on the challenges of upskilling the mining sector’s workforce, but only cursory segues to such challenges rated a mention.

Gillard told her audience that they focused on “mines” while teachers focused on “minds”. It was the sort of pun – without substance to back it up – that should see a speechwriter sacked…

Journalists who attended tell me there was no mix-up: the students weren’t forced to sit through a detailed rationale behind the mining tax.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 12:27 am
Oops, my mistake, I didn’t realise foxnews.com wasn’t Fox News

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 12:29 am
They make you laugh at least

ABC News online, May 28, 2008:

SCIENTISTS say Australian skiers should prepare for shorter ski seasons because of global warming.

Sydney Morning Herald, Monday:

SPRING snowflakes have contributed to the best snow season in a decade.

Cut&Paste.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 12:34 am
Pow wow sought:

Native Indian Truth Squad Members Seek Meeting With Elizabeth Warren at DNC.

Elizabeth Warren can’t escape her Cherokee heritage controversy even at this gathering of loyal Democrats, as a contingent of skeptical American Indian delegates — including the great-grandson of Geronimo — are inviting Warren to a meeting tomorrow to explain her ancestry claims.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 12:35 am
….are inviting Warren to a meeting tomorrow to explain her ancestry claims.

Pocahontas is really screwed on this one.

“but, but grandpappy had high cheek bones”

JC

5 Sep 12 at 12:37 am
Oops, my mistake, I didn’t realise foxnews.com wasn’t Fox News

No. You described Sally Kohn as “Fox News.”

Not even a nice try.

I followed the link because it ponged of bullshit.

I then discovered the article was written by the network’s well-known token to extreme leftism – an unpaid Soros-funded lesbian community organiser and homosexual lobbyist.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 12:40 am
Potemkin’s Village

If a man does not have an ideal… here

Grigory Potemkin

5 Sep 12 at 12:42 am
The Australian’s lead story today is Gillard’s disastrous speech in Perth yesterday.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 12:43 am
that should see a speechwriter sacked.

That’s all well and good, PVO, but doesn’t Gillard vet the speeches written for her beforehand? Or does she just go and stage and perform her lines mindlessly?

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 12:45 am
Or does she just go and stage and perform her lines mindlessly?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nNDvCu2s2k

Ivan Denisovich

5 Sep 12 at 12:47 am
Paul Ryan to GM critics: Read the speech(text&vid)

For days, Democrats have been suggesting that Paul Ryan lied in his speech while highlighting the promises President Obama made as a candidate during a visit to a General Motors manufacturing plant in Janesville, Wisconsin.

Ryan answered his critics this morning on NBC’s Today show.

“What they’re trying to suggest is that I said that Barack Obama was responsible for our plant shutdown in Janesville,” Ryan said. “That is not what I was saying. Read the speech. What I was saying is the president ought to be held to account for his broken promises.”

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 12:52 am
Scandal…

Jeffrey Lord at The Spectator: The DNC’s Bold Lies.

DNC website caught lying about party’s civil rights record: Wasserman Schultz, Virginia Senate nominee Kaine involved…

Lie Number One: Check the “Our History” section, found here of the DNC’s website. See it? The history section — now written to reflect the history of the Obama administration — begins with this breathtakingly bold lie:

For more than 200 years, our party has led the fight for civil rights…..

Read on for Lie Number Two and the missing years between 1809 and 1920.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 1:04 am
Stars Get In Your Eyes

Special Iowahawk Guest Commentary
By Barack Obama, Stargazer-in-Chief

But in our shared moment of grief, let us also celebrate his historic accomplishment in becoming the first astronaut eulogized by me, Barack Obama, our nation’s historic first African-American president.

Neil’s passing gives all of us all pause to consider deeper questions. What does it mean for the future of space exploration? How proud would Neil have been to have a famous historic president refer to him by first name? And, most importantly, how did his death inspire that historic president to make ever more gigantic leaps for mankind?

RTWT

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 1:13 am
If a man does not have an ideal… here

Hey Grigory, stop stealing jokes from the British version of “The Office”. Me in Team, yes I remember that.

Dead Soul

5 Sep 12 at 1:15 am
Lie Number One: Check the “Our History” section, found here of the DNC’s website.

The ALP does the same re-writing of history to take credit for creating the Australia Council, National Gallery, pulling out of Vietnam etc. and pinning “fear of foreigners” on the Conservatives when the “White Australia Policy” was all their own work. Deceit is their modus operandi.

Cold-Hands

5 Sep 12 at 1:19 am
Ahm. … what was that new internet policy announced today by the Clown Party?

Hackers claim 12 million Apple IDs from FBI (Update)

Dead Soul

5 Sep 12 at 1:21 am
Apologies Dead Soul et al.

Grigory Potemkin

5 Sep 12 at 1:23 am
Not just the Labor Party. Roxon’s proposed police state powers re the internet have been fully endorsed by Tony Abbott.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 1:24 am
Any chance of adding Michael Smith’s Blog to the Official Blogroll? He’s currently putting up all the documents in the AWU/Wilson matter and he’s more credible than Pickering. He’s come a long way in a few short days- he’s even got his first resident troll.

Cold-Hands

5 Sep 12 at 1:25 am
British version of “The Office”. Me in Team,

Really? I’ve never watched “The Office” and I’ve been using that line for years. Hey, maybe they stole it off me!!

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 1:26 am
Two very informative pieces for those who need their memories refreshed on occasion…

Why Blame Obama?

689 Reasons To Defeat Obama

Zatara

5 Sep 12 at 1:29 am
Jon Stewart caught quote-doctoring Romney.

Ah, the lies.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 1:37 am
Ahahahahaha.

Chris Matthews Wishes The Obama Campaign Would Unleash Joe Biden.

Via Hot Air.

Has to be read to be believed.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 1:51 am
“Jon Stewart caught quote-doctoring Romney.”

From the link:

The clip, however, seems to entirely mischaracterize what Romney was saying, and at the very least takes him completely out of context in the short clip.

Déjà vu.

Jarrah

5 Sep 12 at 2:09 am
Caption: “If I’d had a snorkel in the car, different story.”

Kennedy: How are you going to pay for Obama Care?
Obama: We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.
Kennedy: Bastard!, Are you taking the Piss?.

Splatacrobat

5 Sep 12 at 2:21 am
A sign of the times. One of my son’s,an engineer working for a company contracting to the big miners, lost his job yesterday. He was not alone in his company. The work is drying up as the mines cut back.

He says that there are some opportunities overseas that look promising so he is considering moving. Friends of his have obtained jobs, strangely enough, in Britain in the oil and gas sector. Great when we start to lose our young talent.

Thank you Julia and Wayne. At a time when we should be doing everything to assist industry you impose the MRRT, carbon tax and and an IR system which makes it difficult to do business here. You really have no idea about business.

MikeH

5 Sep 12 at 2:53 am
Obama’s Accelerating Downward Spiral For America: “New income data from the Census Bureau reveal what a great job Barack Obama has done for the middle class as President. During his entire tenure in the oval office, median household income has declined by 7.3%.”

Noam Chomsky, John Quiggin, and others used to make a lot of hay about “real wages” in America “dropping” or “remaining stagnant” over the last 30 years. I wonder if they will have anything to say about this?

Fisky

5 Sep 12 at 3:17 am
Every school will get the same base funding and will need to work to improvement plans. Funding top-ups will go to indigenous and disabled students, children of low socio-economic status, those who don’t speak English well, and regional and small schools.

When I was in the army a range practice weekend usually included a catered BBQ on the Saturday night with the respective messes providing liberal amounts of alcohol. Needless to say the scores on the Sunday were usually lower on the previous day.
Our wowser Colonel issued an order to the mess committees that restricted alcohol to only two cans per man hoping this would improve our aim.

Knowing that some soldiers didn’t drink, some wouldn’t be attending due to sickness and at that time there was available beer cans that held 750 ml, they ordered the appropriate amount of cans across the entire battalion. In other words every one of the 800 odd names on the roll were allocated 2 x 750mm cans (full strength mind you!) of beer. This was more than enough for even the most ardent pisshead to get their fill without disobeying the original order.

My point to the story is this: If schools can get extra funding based on being indigenous, disabled,low economic status etc. then expect enterprising schools to trowel through every record to ensure they have all these bases covered.

If a child does not readily identify as Aboriginal they will now even if their name is Bridget O’Shaughnessy.
Your kid had flat feet? Great lets put him down as disabled.
Your parents are from Liverpool? Hmmm lets put you down as not speaking english well.
This will be a field day for largess maximisation schemes.

Splatacrobat

5 Sep 12 at 3:21 am
Leftists lie all the time. They’re so spiteful at the moment.

‘Sactly, JC. The left must lie to seize power. If they tell the truth about their intentions, they are unelectable because it alarms the middle class. Now, near the end of a six-year cavalcade of lies (Rudd is a conservative, Gillard’s no carbon tax, etc) — and fiscal irresponsibility, which the liars are trying to tell us isn’t happening — the left’s trolls are here to tell us, well, shucks, everyone in politics lies. No they don’t. Conservatives don’t have to lie because they’re defending the broadly supported socio-economic status quo, which the left is trying to destroy. That’s why the middle class are furious with the dishonest scum who lied their way into power in this country. And the scum and their sycophants have only one response: how much more trickery can we use to justify a travesty that has made middle Australia so angry?

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 6:01 am
Piers Ackerman is is in top form:

No disrespect to the simple-minded, but is Julia Gillard totally losing the plot?

Her address to miners yesterday might have been delivered by someone young and naive rather than the Prime Minister of Australia.

It was condescending in the extreme, it was vaccuous and it was stupid.

As mining company after company, from BHP Billiton to Fortescue, and across the nation from coast-to-coast, announced plans to mothball current operations and suspend future plans, the gormless Gillard told those in the business of mining that their industry was enjoying a boom

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 6:49 am
were allocated 2 x 750mm cans (full strength mind you!) of beer

This is evidently what happens when you get your drinking and shooting mixed up. Although I’ll grant that a 750mm shell casing – if such a beast existed – would be quite the beer keg. Two per person sounds pretty much, though, even for the unregenerate pre-PC days when the ADF Academy was still RMC Duntroon and pretty much the only girls in the place were pinups…

perturbed

5 Sep 12 at 6:51 am
Thank you Julia and Wayne. At a time when we should be doing everything to assist industry you impose the MRRT, carbon tax and and an IR system which makes it difficult to do business here. You really have no idea about ~~business~~ anything.

There, fixed it for you.

perturbed

5 Sep 12 at 6:54 am
Leftists lie all the time

What other choice do you have when your position isn’t supported by facts, history, or empirical evidence?

CraigS

5 Sep 12 at 7:24 am
were allocated 2 x 750mm cans (full strength mind you!) of beer

Oops sorry I meant 750mls like this .

Splatacrobat

5 Sep 12 at 7:25 am
Gillard has created an election policy committee:

Ministers have been instructed to nominate liaison staff to the committee by tomorrow, and to submit policy proposals by October 6 to equip the government with ideas to take to an election.

Some ministers said the policy committee was a normal part of election preparations.

The creation of the committee a year from the promised election date was no indication of an early poll, they said.

But some government insiders and party officials said it was part of preparations that would give Julia Gillard the option of an early election if she so chose.

“Some senior people have started talking about an early election,” encouraged by a recent recovery in Labor’s standing in the opinion polls, an official said.

Preselections for Labor candidates are under way and should be complete by November.

“The idea is to come out of the Christmas holidays into the new year and go to a February election; there are people weighing it as an option,” the official said.

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 7:47 am
Is it just me, or is everyone else getting the same Liberty Quote all the time:

Those politicians, professors and union bosses who curse big business are fighting for a lower standard of living.
— Ludwig von Mises

Aqualung

5 Sep 12 at 7:54 am
THE Gillard government has started formal preparations for a federal election, promising to run a full term but also giving itself the option of an early poll

How does one simultaneuously promise to run a full term and keep open the oprion of an early election…

Matt

5 Sep 12 at 7:56 am
More self-pitying whining drivel from Obummer in a weird interview with USA Today:

Interview: Obama says GOP drawing ‘a fictional Barack Obama’

ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE – President Obama says he’s older and wiser than he was during the heady 2008 campaign, and he has a more complicated message urging voters to stick with him as the country slowly digs out of “a very deep hole” on the economy.

So is the election less fun, the second time around?

“Well, I’ll tell you, it’s different,” he says with a slightly pained expression on his face, then offers: “But the plane is a lot nicer.”…….

“Gov. Romney spent a lot of time talking about himself and he spent a lot of time talking about me. He didn’t spend a lot of time talking about the American people and how their lives will get better,” the president says, then refers to himself in the third person. “I guess their premise is that the American people will be convinced, if we just get rid of Obama, then somehow that will be enough.”

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 7:59 am
How does one simultaneuously promise to run a full term and keep open the option of an early election…

You lie.

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 8:01 am
Democratic Platform Endorses Taxpayer-Funded Abortions
And the Democratic party doesn’t want to make abortions “rare.”

Charlotte
The 2012 Democratic party will officially adopt an extreme position on the issue of abortion on Tuesday. According to a copy of the party platform, which was released online just before midnight on Monday, “The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay.”

That last part–”regardless of ability to pay”–is an endorsement of taxpayer-funded abortions, a policy that President Obama has personally endorsed. Obama wants Medicaid to pay directly for elective abortions, and Obamacare will allow beneficiaries to use federal subsidies to purchase health care plans that cover elective abortions. According to a 2009 Quinnipiac poll, 72 percent of voters oppose public funding of abortion and 23 percent support it. In other words, public funding of abortion–a policy President Obama actively supports–is as unpopular as banning abortion in the case of rape, a policy on which the media have focused much attention over the past two weeks despite the fact that neither presidential candidate supports it.

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 8:02 am
Exclusive: Democrats Drop ‘God’ From Party Platform

Guess what? God’s name has been removed from the Democratic National Committee platform.

This is the paragraph that was in the 2008 platform:

“We need a government that stands up for the hopes, values, and interests of working people, and gives everyone willing to work hard the chance to make the most of their God-given potential.”

Now the words “God-given” have been removed. The paragraph has been restructured to say this:

“We gather to reclaim the basic bargain that built the largest middle class and the most prosperous nation on Earth – the simple principle that in America, hard work should pay off, responsibility should be rewarded, and each one of us should be able to go as far as our talent and drive take us.”

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 8:04 am
$16,015,769,788,215.80

“Federal debt at the end of the current fiscal year will stand at $16.2 trillion—$6.2 trillion above where it was 4 years earlier,” the Republican side of the Senate Budget Committee notes. “In the last 4 years, the debt increased by more than it did in the previous 17 years.”

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 8:07 am
U.S. Debt Now $136,260 Per Household—Up 50% Under Obama

(CNSNews.com) -The U.S. government debt, which topped $16 trillion for the first time at the close of business on Friday, now equals approximately $136,260 for every household in the country.

Just since President Barack Obama was inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2009, the debt has increased by $45,848 per household—or about 50 percent per household.

That excludes unfunded liabilities which far exceed the above figures

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 8:11 am
92-year-old Verona man shoots intruder at home

VERONA — Earl Jones had just turned off his new TV shortly after 2 a.m. Monday when he heard a bang in the basement.

The 92-year-old Boone County farmer walked eight paces to get his loaded .22 caliber rifle from behind the bedroom door. He unwrapped a beige cloth and returned to the living room, sitting in a chair with clear view – and shot – of the basement door, waiting with the gun across his lap.

Some 15 minutes later, when he heard footsteps moving closer up the stairs, he raised the rifle to his eye. The intruder kicked open the door. Jones fixed his aim on the center of the man’s chest and fired a single shot. The Boone County Sheriff later announced the death of the intruder, Lloyd (Adam) Maxwell, 24, of Richmond, Ky.

“These people aren’t worth any more to me than a groundhog,” Jones told the Enquirer. “They have our country in havoc. We got so many damned crooked people walking around today.”

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 8:14 am
Some 15 minutes later, when he heard footsteps moving closer up the stairs, he raised the rifle to his eye. The intruder kicked open the door. Jones fixed his aim on the center of the man’s chest and fired a single shot. The Boone County Sheriff later announced the death of the intruder, Lloyd (Adam) Maxwell, 24, of Richmond, Ky.

“These people aren’t worth any more to me than a groundhog,” Jones told the Enquirer. “They have our country in havoc. We got so many damned crooked people walking around today.”

Steve from Brisbane just wet his pants.

sdog

5 Sep 12 at 8:21 am
… part of preparations that would give Juliar Dullard the option of an early election if she so chose.

“Some senior people have started talking about an early election”

Bring it on, you fucking morons.

Electoral oblivion awaits…

Rabz

5 Sep 12 at 8:25 am
Sorry Rabz, got impatient.

Fairfax death watch.

Rudiau

5 Sep 12 at 8:25 am
DNC on Removing Pro-Israel Language from Platform: ‘Following What the Obama Administration’s Policy Is’

CNN reports on the reason this year’s Democratic platform is stripped of pro-Israel language: The Democratic National Committee is “simply following what the Obama administration’s policy is. That the White House said several months ago that the status of Jerusalem is an issue that should be resolved in the final status negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians and that is why that is not in the platform as it was in 2008.”

In 2008, the Democratic platform stated, “Jerusalem is and will remain the capital of Israel. The parties have agreed that Jerusalem is a matter for final status negotiations. It should remain an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths.”

That language is not in this year’s platform.

The CNN reporter calls the omission “perplexing.”

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 8:29 am
The video of Bishop interviewing Uhlmann & Lewis about their book is well worth watching.

blogstrop

5 Sep 12 at 8:31 am
…Not a surprise. Leftists lie all the time….

Don’t get mad. Get to know thine enemy. Abandon thy naive attachment to truth. /sarc

Tapdog

5 Sep 12 at 8:35 am
Debbie Wasserman Schultz: Israeli ambassador called GOP “dangerous for Israel”

CHARLOTTE – Democratic National Committee chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz claimed on Monday that Israel’s ambassador to the United States has accused Republicans of being “dangerous” to Israel by criticizing President Obama’s record……..

During her talk, Wasserman Schultz said that Republicans, who “can’t get anywhere with our community on domestic issues” instead “do everything they can to lie and distort and mischaracterize this president’s stellar record on Israel.”

As she was wrapping up her remarks, she claimed that, “We know, and I’ve heard no less than Ambassador Michael Oren say this, that what the Republicans are doing is dangerous for Israel.”

Israeli Ambassador Rebukes DNC Chair

Ambassador Michael Oren just released this statement:

“I categorically deny that I ever characterized Republican policies as harmful to Israel. Bipartisan support is a paramount national interest for Israel, and we have great friends on both sides of the aisle.”

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 8:36 am
Tatler and the Big Lie

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/08/29/msnbc-and-the-big-narrative-lie/

Tapdog

5 Sep 12 at 8:39 am
At 92, it’s lucky that it wasn’t the nephew that he forgot was visiting from out of town.

sdog, your celebration of people being shot and killed by people who had other choices (he waited 15 minutes for the basement door to open, and there is no mention of a call to the police) is just American creepy.

Furthermore, the stand your ground laws which cover this were recently found to not work to reduce crime:

Results indicate that the prospect of facing additional self-defense does not deter crime. Specifically, we find no evidence of deterrence effects on burglary, robbery, or aggravated assault. Moreover, our estimates are sufficiently precise as to rule out meaningful deterrence effects.

In contrast, we find significant evidence that the laws increase homicides. Suggestive but inconclusive evidence indicates that castle doctrine laws increase the narrowly defined category of justifiable homicides by private citizens by 17 to 50 percent, which translates into as many as 50 additional justifiable homicides per year nationally due to castle doctrine. More significantly, we find the laws increase murder and manslaughter by a statistically significant 7 to 9 percent, which translates into an additional 500 to 700 homicides per year nationally across the states that adopted castle doctrine.

Thus, by lowering the expected costs associated with using lethal force, castle doctrine laws induce more of it. This increase in homicides could be due either to the increased use of lethal force in self-defense situations, or to the escalation of violence in otherwise non-lethal conflicts. We suspect that self-defense situations are unlikely to explain all of the increase, as we also find that murder alone is increased by a statistically significant 6 to 11 percent.

But you just like burglars to be shot, regardless of circumstances.

Creep.

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 8:41 am
Issue of Liberty Quotes stalling was raised in previous Open Thread.
Doomlord is onto it.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Sep 12 at 8:43 am
ShitFerBrains’ defence of the criminal classes in all situations and contexts is noted without surprise.

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 8:51 am
Just watched two little birdies in the garden having a bit of a feather-flying flutter together. Mostly, birds are the last of the dinosaurs, except for a Tuatara or two.

Spring is in the air! Da boidies is choipin’ and da Hairy Ape is still asleep. Ain’t nature grand?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Sep 12 at 8:52 am
Verballing ambassadors of foreign countries.
Desperate much ?
I thought there was convention on diplomats – they don’t get involved in domestic politics or elections, aside from wishing everyone good luck.
Funny how Debbie picked on Israel, of all the nations in the world. Every diplomatic mission in the US must be cringing right now. I guess the dummocrats want to put wikileaks out of business by leaking first.

Keith

5 Sep 12 at 8:53 am
Cut & Paste takes the p*ss about a bunch of pompous rent seekers who never held to account for crying wolf:

ABC News online, May 28, 2008:

SCIENTISTS say Australian skiers should prepare for shorter ski seasons because of global warming.

Sydney Morning Herald, Monday:

SPRING snowflakes have contributed to the best snow season in a decade.

While in the same paper the same people are at it again:

ENVIRONMENTAL researchers say the end of Australia’s ski culture is in sight, despite Victoria and NSW experiencing one of their best snow seasons in almost a decade.

People were still shredding up powder last weekend at some of Australia’s top ski resorts, but Griffith associate professor Catherine Pickering says snow is rapidly disappearing because of global warming and by 2020 Australia may not have any left.

No shame.

Token

5 Sep 12 at 8:56 am
And only a couple of weeks back sfb was advocating for more armed security guards. He refused to answer any questions about that position, and now he has contradicted himself, by quoting an article saying private defence arrangements don’t work.
sfb must be truly spineless to tie himself in such knots.

Keith

5 Sep 12 at 9:00 am
Via Bolt:

The wellspring of leftist ideas has dried up. Most of the great left-wing intellectuals of the last century … are dead. Their younger intellectual successors are almost entirely third-rate. They speak in clichés.

“left-wing intellectuals”???

Otherwise known as oxymorons, emphasis on the moron…

Rabz

5 Sep 12 at 9:01 am
Yeah right Steve. Not only does the death penalty not deter crime, you also think concealed carry laws don’t deter crime, and the castle doctrine doesn’t deter crime.

Your attack on the castle doctrine is revolting. I might not believe in the death penalty and legal firearm ownership at all. I can still believe in the castle doctrine.

You think that we ought not to be able to use force on intruders, that we are at their mercy, and must wait until the crime is over to call the police for assistance?

You’re a sick fuck. I can’t honestly believe that you have children and care about their welfare.

.

5 Sep 12 at 9:04 am
DNC website caught lying about party’s civil rights record: Wasserman Schultz, Virginia Senate nominee Kaine involved…

The DNC has a wonderful history of using its conventions as a way of supporting white extremists:

The 1924 Democratic National Convention, also called the Klanbake…

…The second dispute of the convention revolved around an attempt by non-Klan delegates, led by Forney Johnston of Alabama, to condemn the organization for its violence in the Democratic Party’s platform. Klan delegates defeated the platform plank in a series of floor debates. To celebrate, tens of thousands of hooded Klansmen rallied in a field in New Jersey opposite of the convention building.[2] This event, known subsequently as the “Klanbake”,[citation needed] was also attended by hundreds of Klan delegates to the convention, who burned crosses, urged violence and intimidation against African Americans and Catholics, and attacked effigies of Smith.

That wonderful place for African Americans and Catholics!

Token

5 Sep 12 at 9:08 am
You heard it here first…

Weekly Times (agrarian socialist’s organ of record)

Mr Robb said the coalition was “weeks” off announcing major policies and that it was focused on “reversing nanny state” culture of governments.

We live in hope…

You should have been banging on about day and night since 2007!…

Forester

5 Sep 12 at 9:08 am
From the old thread. Pure pwnage.

JC – you think I was pissed off before? Some fuckwits have to learn you cannot buy intelligence by owning a book by Dawkins.

Well that seems pretty simple, theists believe that God (or Gods) exist and created matter and life, (though they don’t know how), and atheists believe that Gods do not exist and they don’t know how matter and life were created. Not a lot of difference really.

No, that’s dishonest bullshit, passively-aggressively militantly atheist crap that is insulting to civil and pleasant athiests and others (agnostics, theists and everyone else) who can control themselves in a civil discourse unlike you, to restrain their inner voice telling them to be arseholes.

Religious people do not necessarily ascribe any mysticism to what science doesn’t understand (yet). Explaining all theists (let’s be honest, specifically, Christians) dogmatic and personal theories of cosmology as “simple”. It is your mental capacity which is simple, pal.

I am a well educated person (better than you, Stevie). Some of my peers and family think I am a lot more intelligent than I am. I find this humbling. I have worked with people who are very accomplished and I will never be as smart as them – and you don’t hold a candle to them simply because you are culturally athiest or theist. Some of them are religious and some of them are not. They are not so stupid as you to judge intelligence on belief. You sound like a Taliban prick on that basis. You’d believe in Sharia law if it was in the ALP or Greens manifesto.

Assume all religious people are fundies? You’re an arsehole. You’d point out the same about anyone else if the assumption was made about Muslims, but since the left is trying to enforce some silly, non existent moral claim on Muslims, it doesn’t happen. Well it did and the left had a sensible dialogue and criticism of Islamofascism before the War in Afghanistan where it made the subject of critically acclaimed documentaries – but since 2001, the left has an “obligation” to deride all religions except Islam. The stupidity is multiplicative in that the leftist of today makes no effort to differentiate between Muslim moderates and extremists, but bemoans any conservative (also quite foolishly), failing to do so.

You’re an annoying, preening arsewipe who has a sense of moral superiority because rather than finding the weakness of a first mover argument disturbing, (as a normal, non misanthrope would), you take delight in the argument not existing.

Your whole basis is that the left once took up arms with the established churches. You are a puppet of previous cultural warriors who are a dead and buried. You are much less smart than you think you are. You are like a jumped up private girls school prefect who on meeting the Governor General, thinks she’s Princess Diana and Duchess Kate Middleton all rolled into one.

Wake up Princess, Kimberly is calling you.

.

5 Sep 12 at 9:08 am
You’re a sick fuck. I can’t honestly believe that you have children and care about their welfare.

I’d bet he doesn’t have children.

He’s an intellectually limited, inveterate liar hiding behind a fabricated internet identity.

This is an unrepentant marxist who claims to be both a conservative and a Catholic.

Not much of a leap to claim to be daddy, after making patently absurd claims such as those.

Rabz

5 Sep 12 at 9:11 am
How does one simultaneuously promise to run a full term and keep open the oprion of an early election…

LOL. That’s not a problem for the Lying Rodent.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 9:19 am
Some of my peers and family think I am a lot more intelligent than I am.

Don’t worry, my opinion of you counteracts theirs, so balance in restored to the universe.

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 9:20 am
Steve, didn’t you condemn that young woman (earlier this year) who shot a man who had broken into her house and was set to terrorise/rape/kill her and/or her baby? I seem to recall you saying she had other options.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 9:21 am
Lol.
From Bolt :
Age libels Grollo, who threatens to sue.
Popcorn please.
The last straw that breaks Fauxfacts’ back ?
Hope so.

Keith

5 Sep 12 at 9:23 am
They are not so stupid as you to judge intelligence on belief.

Dawkins, though a good biologist, showed himself to be something of a philosophical lightweight in his recent ABC discussion with Cardinal Pell. He claimed jetlag. His book shows though that he is fond of simplistic statements about religious viewpoints and people. He must have been jetlagged when writing that too.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Sep 12 at 9:23 am
SfB tries to be a contrarian, but really proves he is dim-witted:

At 92, it’s lucky that it wasn’t the nephew that he forgot was visiting from out of town.

It helps to read the story:

Some 15 minutes later, when he heard footsteps moving closer up the stairs, he raised the rifle to his eye. The intruder kicked open the door.

It would seem your out of town guests have different manners to those that stay with me Steve.

Token

5 Sep 12 at 9:23 am
Read of the week:
… rather than the collapse of communism leading to the end of ideology, instead we got the rise and rise of junk ideologies, especially preening green thinking. Green ideology was an effusive, fatuous kitsch mix of pseudo-science, New Age spirituality and officious morality that aligned perfectly with bureaucratic sloganeering and rent-seeking businesses. Green policy offers a vaguely plausible surround filled with piffle. So it is no surprise that the Gillard government’s carbon dioxide tax was a manifesto of silliness. It was not just wrong or questionable — it was harebrained. Even many of the ministers in Gillard’s government looked embarrassed by it. In the long history of silly taxes, the tax on carbon dioxide was a world-beater.

H/T Bolt.

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 9:26 am
But you just like burglars to be shot, regardless of circumstances.

Creep.

LOL, SfB calling someone else a creep. That projection is Gillard-esque in its magnitude.

You can imagine his kids are the sh*ts everyone hates as it is clear he takes the same approach to parenting.

Token

5 Sep 12 at 9:27 am
Dem convention video: “The Government Is The Only Thing We All Belong To.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gLa9Te8Blw

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 9:28 am
Steve’s argument against someone who is confident is to decry them as self absorbed, despite his self indulgent trolling and semen blogging.

You are full of shit Steve. You are saying there are no deterrents to crime but we can incentivise the use of alternative fuels to fossil fuels – even though nuclear is regulated to prohibitive cost levels.

You lying shithead.

.

5 Sep 12 at 9:28 am
ABC News/Washington Post poll: women dumping Obama.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 9:30 am
The “best snow in a decade” simply shows how crap most of the last ten years have been. The “best snow in a decade” has resulted in snow depth at Spencers creek of 204cm. That is just above the 50 year average of 199cm. The long range forecast doesn’t suggest this is likely to to increase.
Unfortunately a bit early to predict the return of the snowy sixties.

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 9:31 am
Abbott wins:

THE federal government has abandoned plans to pay some of Australia’s dirtiest coal-fired power generators to shut down under its co-called contract for closure program.

Energy Minister Martin Ferguson said the government could not be satisfied that entering into such arrangements would achieve value for money against the program’s objectives.

“The contract for closure negotiations have taken place constructively and in good faith but there remains a material gap between the level of compensation generators have sought and what the government is prepared to pay,” Mr Ferguson said in a statement on Wednesday.

The program had sought to support the closure of around 2000 megawatts of highly emissions-intensive generation capacity by 2020.

But a June 30 deadline for locking in a deal has already been and gone.

Coal-fired power stations plans abandoned.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 9:34 am
Unfortunately a bit early to predict the return of the snowy sixties.

You fuckhead Australia had an unusually high amount of rain and snowfall in the 1960s. This is a well known fact and a reason why we had an agricultural export boom back then.

You then call this a baseline to “prove” global warming is making it not rain – despite two years of recent floods.

.

5 Sep 12 at 9:35 am
Fme, now the SMH has declared a jihad on air conditioners.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/an-air-con-when-the-poor-pay-to-cool-the-rich-20120904-25cjh.html

You can pry my aircon out of my cold, dead hands …

jtfsoon

5 Sep 12 at 9:36 am
Unfortunately a bit early to predict the return of the snowy sixties.

Why not, wild and substantiated claims are the standard of the AGW cultists…

…but of cause warmies always demand rigour they never would subject their cult leaders to.

Token

5 Sep 12 at 9:37 am
Hang on Soon

Virtually everyone besides the poorest refos have air con, some of which is more or less necessary as part of OH&S now or building design, but this guy is worried about “cross subsidisation”? Maybe he ought to worry about the way power is priced, not if people can turn on air conditioners in 45 degree heat.

Let me guess: he typed that shit up from a climate controlled office.

.

5 Sep 12 at 9:40 am
snow is rapidly disappearing because of global warming and by 2020 Australia may not have any left

Of course, when 2020 is a perfectly adequate ski season, this prediction will be shoved down the memory hole and the date for a snow free winter will be pushed back to 2030.

Then, in 2030 … etc. etc.

Matt

5 Sep 12 at 9:40 am
Hey SteveC, did you see the Anthony Watts sea ice “Downfall” parody, which Watts himself has put up so as to point out how mean and nasty his critics are?

For those who follow Watts closely, it is quite funny.

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 9:43 am
Energy Minister Martin Ferguson said the government could not be satisfied that entering into such arrangements would achieve value for money against the program’s objectives.

Translation: internal Treasury analysis shows the projected 2012-13 $1.5 billion surplus is already a $10 billion+ deficit and climbing, while there is almost no room left under the extended $300 billion borrowing ceiling.

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 9:43 am
The point in the SMH article is quite valid, Jason.

Effort should be put in to smoothing out peak demand as a better solution to what we currently do.

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 9:49 am
Wow, easy to set dot off this morning. Did you take a red one instead of a blue one by mistake? You seem to have projected a lot of your own beliefs onto a fairly simple post of mine.
The long running debate yesterday included reference to creation, specifically “scientists and atheists have NO FUCKING IDEA” how life and matter were created.
It seems to me theists also have no idea, except that they believe God or Gods had something to do with it (and in the Abrahamic religions that’s all the same God). Atheists leave out the god part, and just leave it at “we don’t know how”.

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 9:49 am
Only a flint hearted AGW cultist with a name like Steve would not see this as serious warning to stop playing with people’s lives:

Samaritans welfare group CEO Cec Shevels said 60 per cent of families approaching his organisation sought assistance with power bills.

More than 10 per cent could no longer afford to heat their homes during winter.

[H/t Bolta]

Token

5 Sep 12 at 9:51 am
Hey steve,

perhaps you should take some time off to attend the Australian Environmental Foundation conference

http://www.quadrant.org.au/pages/whats-on

jtfsoon

5 Sep 12 at 9:51 am
Their conference program is here.

Go on a harbour cruise with some climate skeptics, steve

http://aefweb.info/data/Conference%20programme%202012.pdf

jtfsoon

5 Sep 12 at 9:52 am
s_dog just tweeted this.

The price of cigarettes would rise to $20 a pack under a Gillard Government proposal that would reap an extra $1.25 billion a year in taxes.

“An excise increase sooner rather than later could also prevent tobacco industry efforts to subvert the impact of plain packaging by lowering prices,” he said.

What is to stop this mob doing sooner and later.
Fme. Time to find a black market supplier.

Rudiau

5 Sep 12 at 9:59 am
Thanks sfb, hadn’t seen the Watts video. I guess you have to give hime some credit to Watts for actually putting it on his own blog, though maybe he was just lookinf for sympathy posts.
A good thing there were subtitles, for a minute there I thought I was listening to dot!

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 10:00 am
That cruise sounds like a hoot, “You’ll be transported to the days gone by”. Sounds like an apt metaphor for AEF

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 10:07 am
It’s odd that they’re going on a non-polluting “tall ships” harbour tour. I thought they would pick the dirtiest boat they can find.

Jason, I’d be happy to go and heckle David Evans from the floor about the Rothschild family being behind global warming. But the cost isn’t mentioned. I might have to stay at your place to save money…

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 10:09 am
SteveC wants a grand unified theory and he’s not going to stop crying until he’s given one.

Sfb misrepresents the SMH article. Big surprise there.

Thanks for bringing the boredom fellas.

Keith

5 Sep 12 at 10:09 am
Nonsense Steve C, you projected YOUR beliefs onto your imaginary enemies and you got called out for it.

I nailed you in one hit. You have the temerity to continue your smug, self congratulatory bullshit even now.

You are too cowardly to address any of the points, Princess, because it shows what a shallow, “intellectual” fraud you are. Only a moron would ascribe to such simplistic shit. You are a bigot and intolerant, trying to wrap up favoured beliefs with your belief set, and anyone who doesn’t come on side 100% is not on the side of the angels with you. You don’t even bother to differentiate between different types of theists because it makes you easier to hate and belittle them – despite any lack of intelligence on your part, or, notwithstanding their theism, their far superior intellect to yours. When a group of nonconforming theists become a cause de jour, you don a habit of tolerance and use them as some sort of spiritual spittoon to abuse yourself with – it is sickening to watch. The criticism you would give to any other group would blow the nonconformists out of the water – but you hold off as some stupid ploy to score points against institutions long abandoned by most of society.

PS

Learn some economic and climatic history before predicting out imminent doom in eight years time. You pillock.

.

5 Sep 12 at 10:11 am
Meteorologist Anthony Watts has a new post on Arctic ice, which backs up hard-science observations like this and this to counteract the politically motivated obfuscation of the doomed Greenfilth sycophants who infest this blog.

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 10:14 am
dot is obviously having an unstable day today.

Maybe a Snicker’s bar would help?

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 10:15 am
Shut up, fool.

.

5 Sep 12 at 10:16 am
The pictures from Empty Chair Day continue to roll in…

As Demoncrats are saying at their convention – “They built that”.

Token

5 Sep 12 at 10:17 am
lol the Solyndra empty chair! The empty chair at Mt Rushmore was also good.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 10:19 am
Mr Robb said the coalition was “weeks” off announcing major policies and that it was focused on “reversing nanny state” culture of governments.

The Howard Government’s gun buy back was one of the largest nanny state intrusions in world history. The Libs can go fist themselves.

Infidel Tiger

5 Sep 12 at 10:20 am
Where did the second link come from Tom? Blog scientist Steve Goddard?

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 10:24 am
NASA, you fuckwit.

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 10:27 am
Breitbart spoofs lefty fact checking:

Those Republicans are at it again. Here are just a few of the distortions, half-truths, and outright lies in the remarks actor Clint Eastwood made during the Republican National Convention last night.

“OK, I thought maybe it was just because somebody had the stupid idea of trying terrorists in downtown New York City.”

The idea that giving Khalid Sheik Muhammed a public forum with which to advance his violent agenda as “stupid” is Mr. Eastwood’s opinion, not a fact

“You’re getting as bad as Biden. Of course we all know Biden is the intellect of the Democratic party.”

Joe Biden is not the intellect of the Democratic party, he is the Vice President of the United States.

“Kind of a grin with a body behind it.”

Joe Biden is clearly more than just a grin with a body behind it. He also has hair plugs.

“A stellar businessman. Quote, unquote, ‘a stellar businessman.’”

Bill Clinton’s actual quote regarding Mitt Romney was: “There’s no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office and, you know, basically performing the essential functions of the office, a man who’s been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold.”

Token

5 Sep 12 at 10:29 am
Exclusive: Democrats Drop ‘God’ From Party Platform

I’m a bit surprised they didn’t use Allah instead given the two hour long Jumah they held – complete with women being relegated to stand at the back like the second-class citizens they are in Democrat world.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 10:32 am
ShitFerBrains’ defence of the criminal classes in all situations and contexts is noted without surprise.

100% of criminals, including rapists, would agree with him.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 10:41 am
Tom, the URL listed on the second link (webcite) says uk metoffice, but that URL doesn’t work. How did you find that chart, as it seems to conflict with all the other sea ice charts at metoffice

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 10:43 am
I see that Gateway Pundit has a post that elevates Ted Kennedy from “killer” (as in an earlier Gateway Pundit post it links to) to “murderer”.

I agree with Charles Johnson: Hoft is probably the stupidest of the wingnut bloggers there is. He’s commonly linked to here, especially by CL.

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 10:51 am
So apparently the Dem convention so far consists of:

* Hideous looking Feminists
* The National Pro Abortion League
* A videogram from Jimmy Carter in a cowboy hat
* A gay Christian black pro-life Marine
* A gay middle aged Orthodox Jew
* A bunch of “lifelong Republicans” who seem to disagree with everything the GOP stood for since Nixon…

MDMConnell

5 Sep 12 at 10:52 am
Tom, Watts post says “has Arctic Sea Ice started to turn the corner?” And his charts show the extent of sea ice increasing. Isn’t that because summer is over?

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 10:53 am
Re the air conditioners – the information I have seen shows the real heavy lifting on hot days is done by the commercial buildings. It takes a significant amount of power to cool down a 40 storey glass office building on a 40 degree day. Same goes for a massive shopping centre with 20 different automatically opening doors and a glass skylight roof.

Much, much more than a distributed bunch of 3 kw systems in the suburbs.

Just build more power stations and the problem solves itself. Power stations don’t cost taxpayers money if they are privately owned. Everyone wants to be cool on hot summer days. It saves lives and improves the lives of those who have it.

Only idiotic death-cult members who fantasise about the masses sweating through a hot night contemplate rolling back technology. I certainly don’t. The fact you can cool at least one room in your house for less than an average months pay is a triumph of modern technology.

brc

5 Sep 12 at 10:53 am
It’s what we’ve come to expect from you and the political activists you defend in the “scientific” community, SteveC: rampant data-doctoring.

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 10:53 am
THE federal government has abandoned plans to pay some of Australia’s dirtiest coal-fired power generators to shut down under its co-called contract for closure program.

I’m a bit sad about this. Just when the Labor party looks like it is finally going to hammer in the last nail of its own coffin, someone with half a brain works out how stupid the idea is and the zombie lurches up out of the coffin for a bit longer. I was hoping they were going to shut down one of the big Victorian brown coal stations for the upcoming summer. And then, when people were dying in blackouts from heat, traffic accidents and spoiled food, everyone could collectively ask if ‘saving the planet’ had to be quite so futile.

Martin Ferguson appears to be the only thinking person in the Labor party left. I bet all the others hate him.

Paying generators to take their generation offline turns out to be a dumb idea? Well, whoever would have guessed that.

Incidentally, Australian Co2 production from electricity generation hasn’t changed 1 iota since the carbon tax came in. That’s because, even when the coal generators stop producing power because of solar or wind input, they don’t stop spinning the generators.

brc

5 Sep 12 at 11:01 am
Dot, theists believe in a god or gods. Abrahamic theists (e.g. Christians and Muslims) believe in a single deity (the same one) , and that that deity created life and matter (as JamesK agreed yesterday). Atheists like myself don’t believe in the existence of any god/supernatural being, and leave the unanswered question of how the universe and life came into existence in the “we don’t know, but it wasn’t god” category.

I have no idea why you are getting your knickers in a knot over such a simple statement.

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 11:01 am
I see that Gateway Pundit has a post that elevates Ted Kennedy from “killer” (as in an earlier Gateway Pundit post it links to) to “murderer”.

Good point, though Kennedy did:

1. drive with the girl under the influence of a lot of alcohol home from a party.
2. crash the car into a lake
3. left the scene and did not report the accident to any authority thus preventing any chance to save the girls life

It has not been proven as murder (parents of drink drive victims often class it that way) or a negligent homoicide. We can discuss the rape allegations made after another of his binges which were also made to go away at another time.

Given all that the man was never charged and was allowed to stand as an elected official (almost becoming the Demoncrat party candidate in ’80).

Glad you are on the substance of the matter again Steve. Ignore the dispicable man lionised by the fetid sewer that is the Left and focus on a technical detail.

Token

5 Sep 12 at 11:02 am
So Tom, you accept that “from NASA, fuckwit” was an incorrect response from you?

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 11:06 am
Nanny Roxon gives further insight into why the Gillard government is the worst in Australian history. Now we can add LA Law to blubbing Conroy’s poisoned milk as a key ALP policy driver. This makes Tony Windsor asking his ex-Telstra mate what he thought of the NBN before committing taxpayers to a $40bn renationalisation of the wholesale network look positively scientific.

Why couldn’t Nanny Roxon have been watching Miami Vice and started a crusade against fashion crimes?

H B Bear

5 Sep 12 at 11:08 am
left the scene and did not report the accident to any authority thus preventing any chance to save the girls life

So he left the girl to drown and then tried to hide it by not reporting the accident to the police. Yep, excellent Democrat material.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 11:08 am
I mistook the second link for the the second table.

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 11:08 am
I agree with Charles Johnson…

LOL.

The man who inspired Anders Breivik.

Note that Steve from Brisbane opposed a young women shooting a rapist intruder but defends Ted Kennedy – who deliberately let a young woman drown in an Oldsmobile.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 11:12 am
It’s what we’ve come to expect from you and the political activists you defend in the “scientific” community, SteveC: rampant data-doctoring.

any comments on this from the the two climate nutjobs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 11:13 am
who deliberately let a young woman drown in an Oldsmobile.

Um, no. No one knows the exact circumstances of the attempts he claimed to have made to get her released from the car.

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 11:14 am
Mark Steyn:

Airbrushing out Mary Jo Kopechne.

Via Charles Johnson.

I don’t know how many lives the senator changed — he certainly changed Mary Jo’s — but you’re struck less by the precise arithmetic than by the basic equation: How many changed lives justify leaving a human being struggling for breath for up to five hours pressed up against the window in a small, shrinking air pocket in Teddy’s Oldsmobile? If the senator had managed to change the lives of even more Americans, would it have been okay to leave a couple more broads down there? Hey, why not? At the Huffington Post, Melissa Lafsky mused on what Mary Jo “would have thought about arguably being a catalyst for the most successful Senate career in history . . . Who knows — maybe she’d feel it was worth it.”

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 11:17 am
Day one of DNC line-up is like a scene from Jurassic Park.

Rush Limbaugh remarked that the Obama campaign slogan “Forward.” was ironic given that the speakers list came straight out of Jurassic Park. While every speech will talk about “the failed policies of the past” the words will all be spoken by failed politicians of the past. Here’s a highlight list of some of the DNC talent,
…
N.C. Governor Bev Purdue: As she welcomes the convention to her state, an awesome reminder that she is probably the least-liked Governor in the United States, not even running for re-election as a result, and the Governor’s mansion will likely go Republican. Welcome to North Carolina!

Jimmy Carter video! Kennedy Family Tribute!: Oh, Camelot. Nothing says “Forward.” like Jimmy Carter and the Kennedy’s. And also, “Middle Class.” On Carter, Mitt Romney noted in his convention speech that only two Presidents couldn’t ask “Are you better off now than you were four years ago.” Jimmy Carter, and Barack Obama.

Abortion Advocates: Apparently pushing the wonder and greatness of abortion are on the agenda tonight. A good reminder that President Obama is the extremist on abortion, even opposing life-saving treatments for surviving babies of botched abortions.

Lincoln Chafee: I’m guessing Chafee was one of the “big gets” for the DNC as a former-Republican-turned-Independent. But unlike, say, Artur Davis, Chafee was never well-regarded in the GOP and barely survived a 2006 primary challenge when he ran for re-election to the US Senate. He isn’t a moderate who suddenly saw the light. Oh, and “Forward.”

Former OH Gov Ted Strickland: I’m not sure featuring a losing sitting Governor from perhaps the most important-swing state, Ohio, is the optics the Obama camp are going for. But here you go. (And I guess it pairs well with Perdue, too.

and there’s more.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 11:20 am
John Farrar, the diver who recovered Kopechne’s body and captain of the Edgartown Fire Rescue unit, asserted that Kopechne did not die from the vehicle overturn or from drowning, but rather from suffocation, based upon the posture in which he found the body and its position relative to the area of an ultimate air pocket in the overturned vehicle. Farrar also asserted that Kopechne would likely have survived had a more timely attempt at rescue been conducted. Farrar located Kopechne’s body in the well of the backseat of the overturned submerged car. Rigor mortis was apparent and her hands were clasping the backseat and her face was turned upward. Farrar testified at the Inquest:

It looked as if she were holding herself up to get a last breath of air. It was a consciously assumed position. … She didn’t drown. She died of suffocation in her own air void. It took her at least three or four hours to die. I could have had her out of that car twenty-five minutes after I got the call. But he [Ted Kennedy] didn’t call.

What was Kennedy doing?

Sleeping, phoning powerful friends:

According to his own testimony, Kennedy swam across the 500-foot channel, back to Edgartown and returned to his hotel room, where he removed his clothes and collapsed on his bed.[14] Hearing noises, he later put on dry clothes and asked someone what the time was: it was something like 2:30 a.m., the senator recalled. He testified that, as the night went on, “I almost tossed and turned and walked around that room … I had not given up hope all night long that, by some miracle, Mary Jo would have escaped from the car.”

Back at his hotel, Kennedy complained at 2:55 a.m. to the hotel owner that he had been awoken by a noisy party. By 7:30 a.m. the next morning he was talking “casually” to the winner of the previous day’s sailing race, with no indication that anything was amiss. At 8 a.m., Gargan and Markham joined Kennedy at his hotel where they had a “heated conversation.” According to Kennedy’s testimony, the two men asked why he had not reported the accident. Kennedy responded by telling them “about my own thoughts and feelings as I swam across that channel … that somehow when they arrived in the morning that they were going to say that Mary Jo was still alive”. The three men subsequently crossed back to Chappaquiddick Island on the ferry, where Kennedy made a series of telephone calls from a pay telephone near the crossing. The telephone calls were to his friends for advice and again, he did not report the accident to authorities.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 11:23 am
Tom, your link to Paul Homewood asserts “[the chart ] clearly show ice extent recovering from the 2007 minimum. ” and concludes “Is the real reason [that the met office removed the graphs] the fact that the graph does not agree with NSIDC’s version of events?

But the NSIDC concludes no such thing. The NSIDC data shows an improvement from 2007 to 2009 followed by a sharp decline.

So perhaps the real reason is the one given by the Met office on their website? Because their data didn’t match everyone elses data they suspected there was something wrong with their data?

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 11:30 am
Gee, I’ve never heard that before, CL. [/sarc]

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 11:30 am
In the face of overwhelming testimony and evidence, SFB prefers to defend a cowardly beta male who let a young woman drown to save his own skin and says “Um, no. No one knows the exact circumstances of the attempts he claimed to have made to get her released from the car.”

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 11:31 am
Clinton guerrillas white-anting Obama:

Report: Bill Clinton’s ‘closest political adviser’ voting for Romney.

Douglas Band, former President Bill Clinton’s top aide, plans to vote for Mitt Romney in November, according to a report in The New Yorker…

“His associates take it as a given that he would like nothing more than to see his wife become President. Hillary Clinton will step down as Secretary of State after the campaign and begin the process of deciding whether she will run in 2016. By some measures a defeat for Obama in November would leave Hillary the undisputed leader of her party and propel her toward the Oval Office that much faster. At least one of Clinton’s closest advisers seems to be backing that strategy.”

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 11:31 am
Great ad: 16 trillion reasons not to vote for Obama. It’s great becuase it uses OBama’s own words.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/powerful-video-16-trillion-reasons/

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 11:36 am
Gab, of course Kennedy didn’t cover himself in glory, and the questions about his behaviour rightly raised questions about his character that lasted for years.

I like precision in words though (such as “murder” being the intentional killing of someone.)

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 11:39 am
Gee, I’ve never heard that before, CL.

You said that “No one knows the exact circumstances of the attempts he claimed to have made to get her released from the car.”

We do know the exact circumstances because Kennedy testified to what he did. He let a woman drown because he didn’t want to be on scene when authorities were called in. He let her die.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 11:39 am
The SMH article on air cons mentions increased infrastructure to accomodate the demand. Undoubtedly this is a part of the price increases.

But completely fails to mention similar infrastructure costs associated with wind/solar. Instead of a central point providing power (traditional stations) we end up with (especialy with wind) multiple small generators strung out over dozens of kilometres, all needing wiring back for transmission.

His failure to touch on that does lead me to dismiss his writing as less than balanced on this issue.

thefrollickingmole

5 Sep 12 at 11:40 am
Yesterday Steve was manically pursuing Paul Ryan regarding his time in a marathon.

Today he’s defending Teddy Kennedy’s behaviour at Chappaquiddick.

You’re simply an amoral, extreme left-wing fuckwit.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 11:42 am
Gab, of course Kennedy didn’t cover himself in glory

Fuck me. You really are a rancid piece of shit sometimes Steve.

You defend Kennedy killing Mary-Jo but have a psychotic spaz out because Casey the schoolboy retaliated against his bullies.

If you felt shame you would be swinging from a rafter now.

Infidel Tiger

5 Sep 12 at 11:44 am
Atheists like myself don’t believe in the existence of any god/supernatural being, and leave the unanswered question of how the universe and life came into existence in the “we don’t know, but it wasn’t god” category.

Much more civil than the assumption that all religious people are fundies. Maybe you’re just stupid and have poor social skills.

.

5 Sep 12 at 11:48 am
CL, you idiot. Kennedy claimed to have tried to release her from the car but could not and gave up. (And, quite frankly, I imagine it is extremely difficult to work out how to release someone – quite possibly temporarily unconscious – from a car in dark water.)

No one was around to verify how much effort he put in.

And the evidence about how long she may have been alive after the incident, is (I think I have read) dubious.

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 11:50 am
It would have been a shit tonne easier if it wasn’t his fault in the first instance.

.

5 Sep 12 at 11:51 am
Kennedy claimed to have tried to release her from the car but could not and gave up.

Unbelievable! Is SFB even sentient?

According to his own testimony, Kennedy swam across the 500-foot channel, back to Edgartown and returned to his hotel room, where he removed his clothes and collapsed on his bed.[14] Hearing noises, he later put on dry clothes and asked someone what the time was: it was something like 2:30 a.m., the senator recalled. He testified that, as the night went on, “I almost tossed and turned and walked around that room … I had not given up hope all night long that, by some miracle, Mary Jo would have escaped from the car.”

Back at his hotel, Kennedy complained at 2:55 a.m. to the hotel owner that he had been awoken by a noisy party. By 7:30 a.m. the next morning he was talking “casually” to the winner of the previous day’s sailing race, with no indication that anything was amiss. At 8 a.m., Gargan and Markham joined Kennedy at his hotel where they had a “heated conversation.” According to Kennedy’s testimony, the two men asked why he had not reported the accident. Kennedy responded by telling them “about my own thoughts and feelings as I swam across that channel … that somehow when they arrived in the morning that they were going to say that Mary Jo was still alive”.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 11:55 am
Oh look, there’s another word CL and IT don’t understand: “defend”.

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 11:56 am
In other words, to SFB, it’s perfectly reasonable to leave a young woman to drown in a car he ran off the road into a lake and not alert any rescue authorities to help the poor girl.

That’s just cowardly, despicable and murderous and indicative of the extreme left’s total disregard for human life if it means it ‘either her or me’. Complete lack or morals.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 12:00 pm
SFB.

You know you could back down by saying something like “Keeneddy never paid for his acts/omissions in any real way, but he devoted his life to helping others blah blah…”

Why are you stuck on stupid, he was a rich spoiled brat whos irresponsible actions caused the death of a young girl.
In addition (and the main point) his families wealth and political connections saw hiw walk away scott free.

thefrollickingmole

5 Sep 12 at 12:01 pm
No one was around to verify how much effort he put in…

He swam back to the motel and caught some Zs, you imbecile – interrupted only to “complain about the noise” at 2.30 am (to establish an alibi that he wasn’t there at all).

Oh yeah, he also forgot to call search and rescue.

As you do.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 12:04 pm
Gab, you are cherry picking from well after the accident:

The car plunged into tide-swept Poucha Pond (at that location a channel) and came to rest upside-down underwater. Kennedy recalled later that he was able to swim free of the vehicle, but Kopechne was not. Kennedy claimed at the inquest that he called Kopechne’s name several times from the shore, then tried to swim down to reach her seven or eight times, then rested on the bank for around fifteen minutes before returning on foot to Lawrence Cottage, where the party attended by Kopechne and the other “Boiler Room Girls” had occurred. Kennedy denied seeing any house with a light on during his journey back to Lawrence Cottage.[9]…

According to Kennedy’s testimony, Gargan and party co-host Paul Markham then returned to the waterway with Kennedy to try to rescue Kopechne. Both of the other men also tried to dive into the water and rescue Kopechne multiple times.[2] When their efforts to rescue Kopechne failed, Kennedy testified, Gargan and Markham drove with Kennedy to the ferry landing, both insisting multiple times that the accident had to be reported to the authorities.[12] etc

You might want to read more before relying on the ever unreliable CL’s version of history.

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 12:06 pm
In SFB’s world of ‘save my own skin’ morals, Robert Farquharson should have gotten off scot-free for murdering his sons. Such a shame Farquharson didn’t have the connections similar to the Kennedys, eh?

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 12:07 pm
Tole youse afore. No ice is good. Can get at the whalefish bettah. More huntin means more fun fur the littlens. For the sake uv the littlens gotta heat that place up.

WhaleHunt Fun

5 Sep 12 at 12:07 pm
You are utter scum, SFB. Don’t talk to me. Don’t even mention me by name.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 12:08 pm
Then Teddy went to bed for a well-earned snooze.

Then tried to establish an alibi that he wasn’t there.

Then forgot to ring search and rescue.

Then rang powerful advisers.

Then forgot to ring search and rescue.

Then went to the scene.

Then made some more phone calls.

Then forgot to ring search and rescue.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 12:10 pm
liar-steve™:

I agree with Charles Johnson…

Screams liberty quote Doomlord

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 12:11 pm
Gab, Gab, Gab, Gab, Gab.

There is no equivalence between a father (who a jury found) deliberately drove into a lake to kill his kids to spite their mother, and what Kennedy did (an accident, apparently some attempt to save the victim, and his extremely character damaging failure to report sooner.)

I think you know that, but then again I’m never sure if you have two neurons to rub together.

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 12:13 pm
Then Teddy went to bed for a well-earned snooze.

On the other hand and even as an old man he with fellow Dem Senators always tried to make poor waitresses feel cozy CL

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 12:14 pm
Milne whining and bemoaning that, for now at least, we will still have cheap (relatively to the green subsidy whores) electricity.

Govt breached faith on power stns: Greens

GREENS leader Christine Milne says the federal government never really got behind a plan to close dirty coal-fired power stations that it has now dropped.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 12:15 pm
This revelation here probably best describes today’s Democratic Party…

One of Teddy Kennedy’s closest friends, former editor of Newsweek and New York Times Magazine Ed Klein, told Diane Rehm on her show today that Teddy Kennedy’s “favorite topics of humor was indeed Chappaquiddick itself.”

Ted Kennedy was also a traitor who secretly offered to help the Soviets beat Ronald Reagan in the Cold War:

Forbes, August 2009:

Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

“On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”

Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 12:19 pm
It’s official.

The anti-Catholic Obummer jihad was Valerie Jarrett’s idea and Obummer’s chief-of-staff Daley knew nothing about it.

The Other Power in the West Wing

Jarret is Rasputin to Bazza and Michelle’s Nicholas and Alexandra.

Fascinating read

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 12:20 pm
“but then again I’m never sure if you have two neurons to rub together.”

Says the man defending Kennedys self serving excuses for causing the death of a young girl.

Look it like watching the Fonz trying to say hes wrong reading you silliness today.

thefrollickingmole

5 Sep 12 at 12:22 pm
Seat belts, even if worn, in that old car would not have prevented anyone from getting free.

The fucker managed to extricate himself.

I strongly doubt he bothered to swim back down to the car, even once.

He drove drunk. He drove into a river. He left the car without her. He failed to call for help from authorities straight away.

He may as well have murdered her.

Certainly manslaughter in our system. Second or third degree murder in US system.

pete m

5 Sep 12 at 12:27 pm
The masculine powerhouse in the White House:

Obama planned to watch his wife’s speech from the White House with his daughters. “I’m going to try not to let them see daddy cry,” he told supporters at the Norfolk State University rally. “Because when Michelle starts talking, I start getting all misty.”

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 12:28 pm
One of Teddy Kennedy’s closest friends, former editor of Newsweek and New York Times Magazine Ed Klein, told Diane Rehm on her show today that Teddy Kennedy’s “favorite topics of humor was indeed Chappaquiddick itself.”

If true, that’s absolutely unforgiveable.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Sep 12 at 12:30 pm
Teddy Kennedy’s “favorite topics of humor was indeed Chappaquiddick itself.”

No wonder SFB thinks Kennedy is a hero. SFB also thinks it’s funny when planes fall from the sky.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 12:34 pm
Only if it’s a Boeing with shareholder JC inside*, Gab, Gab, Gab, Gab, Gab, Gab.

* I only wanted an engineer failure with a safe landing too, if I recall correctly.

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 12:37 pm
Ted Kennedy was also a traitor who secretly offered to help the Soviets beat Ronald Reagan in the Cold War:

Kennedy was a deplorable man but he was part of the Demoncrat 1% so even though that was common knowledge in Washington he was allowed to continue as Senator.

Ask Clarance Thomas how Kennedy acted when a black man tried to rise above the station assinged by Kennedy, Biden and the Demoncrat 1%.

Token

5 Sep 12 at 12:38 pm
engine failure…

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 12:38 pm
Federal cabinet has imposed a $100 million across-the-board spending freeze that will hit travel, advertising and consultancies, as the government scours for savings in the budget to fund its recent spending commitments

heh. Amazing the amount of fat they can cut to salvage their imaginary budget surplus.

When are they going to start cutting the fat from the public servants?

http://www.afr.com/p/national/bureaucracy_hit_by_spending_cut_gxbQXnVv3u6X61Te1RoV3M

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 12:41 pm
From the Milne article linked above:

“The whole point of addressing global warming through an emissions trading scheme is to accelerate the transition away from fossil fuel and to renewable energy,” Senator Milne said.

“Shutting down some of the dirtiest coal-fired power stations was at the heart of what we are trying to do.

“(Mr Ferguson) is clearly the minister for fossil fuels.”

Senator Milne said there would also be now a “dislocation” in communities where the power stations were based.

As carbon pricing made the power stations less viable, rather than there being an “orderly transition” the communities were likely to get a shock as the plants faced commercial reality and suddenly closed.

“Instead you’ve got a minister who will be smiling all the way to the next coal pit,” Senator Milne said.

(my bold)

She. Does. Not. Get. It.

Closing down power stations is NOT a vote winner. That’s why Bob Brown backed away from it whenever cornered.

That’s why I wanted a Victorian power station to close down – even for a week.

Then we’d see how keen people really are on ‘saving the planet’.

People aren’t even interested in turning off their lights for an hour. Lights only, no refrigerators, TVs or hot water systems. And Milne thinks what really needs to happen is to switch the power off permanently?

Keep talking, Sen. Milne. Please! 5% Green vote isn’t out of reach – keep pushing!

brc

5 Sep 12 at 12:42 pm
That’s very funny:
This

theists believe in a god or gods. Abrahamic theists (e.g. Christians and Muslims) believe in a single deity (the same one) , and that that deity created life and matter (as JamesK agreed yesterday). .Atheists like myself don’t believe in the existence of any god/supernatural being, and leave the unanswered question of how the universe and life came into existence in the “we don’t know, but it wasn’t god” category.

elicited this:

Much more civil than the assumption that all religious people are fundies. Maybe you’re just stupid and have poor social skills.

.

Whereas this, earlier :

Well that seems pretty simple, theists believe that God (or Gods) exist and created matter and life, (though they don’t know how), and atheists believe that Gods do not exist and they don’t know how matter and life were created. Not a lot of difference really.

which is pretty much the same as my first comment, elicited a 500 word diatribe. So who is lacking the social skills?

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 12:43 pm
Hey, any reason for Wayne Swan going quiet on Campbell Newman?

Remember the “Newman effect”?

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 12:45 pm
“Because when Michelle starts talking, I start getting all misty.”

Imagining how much better his life would have been with Reggie.

Infidel Tiger

5 Sep 12 at 12:45 pm
I wonder if the Dems will use CGI to tone down Michelle’s teeth.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 12:50 pm
Tom, Watts post says “has Arctic Sea Ice started to turn the corner?” And his charts show the extent of sea ice increasing. Isn’t that because summer is over?

I love SteveC’s logic here, firstly the ice it melts because of the glowball warmening, but when it stops melting it’s cause of the end of summer.

Fucking hilarious… and as with all things about CAGW, the alarmists change their narrative to suit their argument at the time. No more ski fields, no more rain, drought, earthquakes, more of this less of that, sceptics, denialists, ignorant, the science is settled what if you’re wrong blah, blah blah.

Give it up guys the game is over.

Old Fridgie

5 Sep 12 at 12:50 pm
So who is lacking the social skills?

Someone who barges his way into a site not meant for him? Someone who then can’t politely agree (only once) to disagree and/or keep out of it, but insists on further barging?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Sep 12 at 12:51 pm
Well that seems pretty simple, theists believe that God (or Gods) exist and created matter and life, (though they don’t know how), and atheists believe that Gods do not exist and they don’t know how matter and life were created. Not a lot of difference really.

You don’t even understand why this is insulting. You freakshow.

.

5 Sep 12 at 12:54 pm
Remember how the Labor trolls spent so much of 2011 stating no one should investigate the HSU and Shagger Thomson ‘coz the Liberals had their own scandal – Mary Jo Fisher?

How did that work out?

FORMER South Australian senator Mary-Jo Fisher has been awarded $78,399 in costs incurred during her shop-lifting trial, in which she paid $216,000 to successfully defend charges she stole just over $92 worth of exotic fruit and vegetables in December, 2010.

Ms Fisher, who resigned from the Senate last month because of her ongoing struggle with a depressive illness, was found not guilty of shoplifting from an eastern suburbs supermarket in Adelaide last November, and guilty of assaulting a store security guard but the charges were dismissed.

All minors staff, and the costs could’ve been avoided if SA Labor did not try to make political capital:

Ms Fisher’s solicitor, top Adelaide QC Michael Abbott, revealed during the costs argument that his client had been prepared to accept an early plea, but senior police overruled the decision ensuring the matter proceeded to a nine-day trial.

Retired Magistrate Kym Boxall returned to court this morning to rule that police should pay Ms Fisher roughly two-thirds of the costs she incurred for solicitors, junior and senior counsel, but not court costs.

Given all this, Shagger still has not been charged and remains in parliament.

Token

5 Sep 12 at 12:54 pm
“Because when Michelle starts talking, I start getting all misty.”

Imagining how much better his life would have been with Reggie.

It nearly happened back around 2000 when Michelle was preparing the divorce papers and he was feeling really down.

Token

5 Sep 12 at 12:58 pm
No wonder SFB thinks Kennedy is a hero. SFB also thinks it’s funny when planes fall from the sky.

A little crass to bring up JFK junior Gab.

Rob

5 Sep 12 at 1:04 pm
It probably would have been, Rob, except I didn’t.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 1:07 pm
You’ve been making this argument all along. I simply accepted your explanation. Are you calling yourself a liar?

Really, I’ve been making the argument that Aquinas did not consider the idea that “time was created in the Big Bang, and therefore it’s as meaningless to ask what came ‘before’ the Big Bang as it is to ask what’s north of the North Pole”? That idea? Because it was “unintuitive”? Really, this or any other unintuitive idea never passed through the mind of Aristotle, or Averroes, or Maimonides, or Aquinas, or Clarke, or Leibniz, and so on. Which is strange because the divine attributes are anything but intuitive. You have attempted to blag your way through this argument from the very beginning, Jarrah, as I’ve shown through this conversation. The only thing you’ve demonstrated is your unfamiliarity with the argument. But don’t feel alone on this, you are in fine company.

dover_beach

5 Sep 12 at 1:10 pm
DNC 2012: Senator Harry Reid’s speech to Democratic convention (Full text)

President Obama’s strength of character leads him to do the right thing, even when it isn’t the easy thing.

Some said he shouldn’t save Detroit. But President Obama made the tough and right call to save more than a million American jobs in an important, iconic industry.

Some said he shouldn’t move heaven and earth to get bin Laden. But President Obama made the tough and right call to bring the world’s worst terrorist to justice.

Some said he couldn’t take on the big banks that brought our economy to its knees. But President Obama made the tough and right call so taxpayers will never again be on the hook for Wall Street’s risky bets.

Some said he couldn’t take on the insurance companies that were ripping us off. But President Obama made the tough and right call to save lives, save Medicare and ensure no one goes broke just because they get sick.

His whole life, there have been so many who told him what he shouldn’t or couldn’t do. But America has a president who knows what we must do.

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 1:10 pm
That’s why I wanted a Victorian power station to close down – even for a week

Brc, your idea has merit but you haven’t considered that some people can live without electricity. My counter proposal is a longer term experiment that Milne can participate in, close all power stations in Tasmania for a year. It could probably done with no loss of GDP, though doing the same in Canberra would probably increase GDP. Of course increasing prosperity pisses of the greens like nothing else.

Rob

5 Sep 12 at 1:12 pm
No dot, I don’t understand how it is any different to this:
“theists believe in a god or gods. Abrahamic theists (e.g. Christians and Muslims) believe in a single deity (the same one) , and that that deity created life and matter (as JamesK agreed yesterday). .Atheists like myself don’t believe in the existence of any god/supernatural being, and leave the unanswered question of how the universe and life came into existence in the “we don’t know, but it wasn’t god” category.”
I find it odd that you find it insulting to be told, that as a theist, you belive in God and that god created matter and life.

Do you, as a theist, believe that God created matter and life? Believing that God created matter and life does not make one a “fundie”.

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 1:13 pm
“Because when Michelle starts talking, I start getting all misty.”

Gawdalmighty. What a mighty alpha male.

To think this milksop holds the office once held by Teddy Roosevelt.

http://www.greatkat.com/03/theodoreroosevelt.html

Pedro the Ignorant

5 Sep 12 at 1:16 pm
An amused Allahpundit:

Convention devoted to women celebrates Ted Kennedy unironically.

I appreciate their brazenness in building a convention around the theme of a “war on women” while not only inviting Bill Clinton to be a headline speaker but having a video tribute to Teddy to start things off. They’re all but admitting that their pretense of moral superiority really is just a pose taken for political effect. If John Edwards had walked out onstage to a standing ovation after this clip ended, it would have been one of the most honest moments in recent convention history.

The video tribute was introduced by Joseph Kennedy III.

His father – Joe II – also loved women:

In August 1973, a Jeep he was driving overturned, fracturing one of his brother David Kennedy’s vertebrae, and permanently paralyzing David’s girlfriend, Pam Kelley. The police cited Kennedy with reckless driving and the judge temporarily suspended his driver’s license.

Pam Kelley.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 1:18 pm
Brc, your idea has merit but you haven’t considered that some people can live without electricity.

Interesting Rob, are these the people you are referring to?

Samaritans welfare group CEO Cec Shevels said 60 per cent of families approaching his organisation sought assistance with power bills.

More than 10 per cent could no longer afford to heat their homes during winter.

Yes, they can live without, but not live well…but that is not as important when achieving carbin purity is the actual goal of a society.

Token

5 Sep 12 at 1:20 pm
Democrats Celebrate Ted Kennedy, Mary Jo Kopechne Unavailable For Comment

Liberal Logic 101:

It’s OK to falsely accuse Mitt Romney of being responsible for the death of a woman he never met, while celebrating the memory of Ted Kennedy who let a woman drown to death.

Token

5 Sep 12 at 1:23 pm
Given the GST and welfare transfers to Tasmania you could probably shut the whole place down and achieve a net increase in wealth. A Green utopia, although Bob Brown would have to find a new cabin. Nimbin?

H B Bear

5 Sep 12 at 1:28 pm
Brc, your idea has merit but you haven’t considered that some people can live without electricity.

The link below provides details about some more Carbin Pure folks in Louisianna (post Hurracane Isaac).

Token

5 Sep 12 at 1:37 pm
Thanks to Candy and the rest of you for your prayers and wishes about our nephew.
He’s still on a respirator, but the cerebral bleeding has stopped, and his urine output has come down to near normal levels – a very good sign.
The surgeons are talking of taking him back to theatre to fix the fractured pelvis, femurs, and tibia/fibula.
Not out of the woods by a long shot, but improving.
His dad said that they’d taken over the waiting room outside ICU as a Maori meeting hall, with 31 rels there yesterday.

Winston Smith

5 Sep 12 at 1:37 pm
“Speak softly and carry a big stick” – Da Hairy Ape’s motif when in the corporate and bureaucratic jungle. He is renowned for his poker face during deal-making, achieving outcomes.

He would never get misty about me in a work context, wouldn’t dream of it; at home is a different matter. All just as it should be.

Obama needs to be strong for Michelle as she helps him in his career, not weepy. Deep down I suspect she would be embarrassed by tears in public. I would. A woman mothers her man-child at home but needs to see her ape-man out on the hunting grounds and to feel his resolute support if she is out there with him.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Sep 12 at 1:41 pm
Thanks for the update, Winston. Good to hear of his improvement. An excellent sign.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 1:43 pm
Just dropped by to see if it’s the usual shit fight in a hail of troll droppings. Yep.

blogstrop

5 Sep 12 at 1:49 pm
Obama needs to be strong for Michelle as she helps him in his career, not weepy.

Oh she does Lizzie.

The books written by people who spent time in the White House indicate Michelle Obama and Valarie Jarrett provide most of the strategic guidance for Obama.

As you’ll note in the link, when Obama stopped listening to Michelle she nearly divorced him.

The problem for Obama is it seems he is an extremely talented but callow who acts like a bored kid when he is not given direction by those women. His language is reflecting that.

Token

5 Sep 12 at 1:50 pm
His dad said that they’d taken over the waiting room outside ICU as a Maori meeting hall, with 31 rels there yesterday.

Good news W. The Maori community do look after their own.

Token

5 Sep 12 at 1:51 pm
Remember how the Labor trolls spent so much of 2011 stating no one should investigate the HSU and Shagger Thomson ‘coz the Liberals had their own scandal – Mary Jo Fisher?

Token – What Mary Jo Fisher did was on a totally different (low) level compared to what Thomson is accused of. And the ALP generally correctly IMO left her alone because of the link to a depressive illness.
IIRC she did finally resign because of a second shoplifting arrest.

Like many other cases where people shoplift I think the shoplifting is a sign that that she’s not coping rather than she’s a “criminal” but suspect she got sacrificed by the party because of the opposition campaign against Thomson. I think it would have been better that she was given medical leave to recover and get some treatment then return to work.

Chris

5 Sep 12 at 1:52 pm
Good news, Winston. My cousin was in a serious car accident many moons ago. He was given the last rites that evening. Twenty and some years later he now has three adolescent children and is happily married. He never quite recovered given the injuries he sustained. The miracle of the story is that a passer-by stopped and prevented him from asphyxiating by merely holding his tongue. Once the ambulance arrived he was on his way.

dover_beach

5 Sep 12 at 1:53 pm
Winston, that is such good news. I am sure we will keep the prayers and wishes flowing.

I have a Maori niece who got married recently; countless rellies of all skin colours came from all over, especially NZ of course. We had a great night partying hard, HIA especially (he once drank a Fiji Chieftain down to the tapa with a mix of Johnie Walker and kava; I think at that night’s end they called it a draw). Family through good times and bad is what these good folk live by. May the full waiting room be a portent of health and happiness to come for your bride’s nephew.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Sep 12 at 1:55 pm
That’s such good news so far Winston, i’d been thinking how it is all going. He’s only 21 so strength and youth will be on his side to recover, thank you for letting us know.

candy

5 Sep 12 at 1:55 pm
Token – What Mary Jo Fisher did was on a totally different (low) level compared to what Thomson is accused of. And the ALP generally correctly IMO left her alone because of the link to a depressive illness.

Hmmm, not sure that I agree with you Chris:

Peter Van Onselen: But you understand why they don’t want to vote with Craig Thomson from a political perspective. My issue is more with just the optics of a leader running around like that.

Anthony Albanese: Well they were happy to take Mary Jo Fisher’s vote in the Senate, including on the Carbon Price.

Seems like there is selective approach to protecting / exploiting people suffering from depression to me (note how Gillard made a mis-statement as well on this issue):

Ms Gillard said that Mr Abbott’s stance on the Thomson issue was ”political convenience” because he had previously used the vote of Coalition MPs who had faced criminal allegations, such as South Australian senator Mary Jo Fisher. ”He has accepted a vote of someone who is charged with and subsequently found guilty of theft and assault,” she said.

Young & naive again?

Token

5 Sep 12 at 2:11 pm
Do you, as a theist, believe that God created matter and life? Believing that God created matter and life does not make one a “fundie”.

You see you arsehole, you cannot even be honest about this. You don’t have to believe in either to be a theist. The religious people can fall back on a first mover.

Now let’s see you hold the same position you claim to be backing now – that theists aren’t necessarily against scientific evidence nor are they fundamentalists.

You’re such a sly little bastard. Your snipe is noted, that you think anyone who is even barely religious might believe in the big bang as “creation”, but they’re all hicks who deny that there were quantum fluctuations etc.

It is fair enough to say you think the first mover argument is weak but ignoring a theist pointing towards the first mover argument and agreeing entirely with scientific research is just bollocks.

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5 Sep 12 at 2:26 pm
Go Winston’s nephew!

I thought of him last night.

Glad to hear the early progress is encouraging.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 2:28 pm
SteveC, good luck deciphering that comment.

Personally, I think it might mean that dot sees God in the shaving mirror each morning, but I stand to be corrected….

Steve from Brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 2:34 pm
Token, sounds like quite a happy little threesome going on there with POTUS. I wouldn’t pretend to understand what it is about in a psychological or psycho-sexual sense, except power comes very much to mind, and power behind the throne by two ladies very much so. Only a man unable to be true to himself is so led.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Sep 12 at 2:40 pm
You add nothing of value to this site, or society, Steve.

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5 Sep 12 at 2:48 pm
Why don’t you answer the question dot? It’s a a pretty simple question. (much simpler than your “survey”). I didn’t make any of the assertions you have attributed to me. Here, i’ll break it down for you:
1 – do you belive in a god or gods (that’s what I would call a theist)
2 – do you believe that the god or gods was involved in the creation of matter
3 – do you believe that the god or gods was involved in the creation of life.

Most christians (and the few muslims) I know believe all those things. That includes my parents and siblings. I was raised Catholic and went to a Catholic school, so I guess I did too at some time. But I don’t now and I am an atheist.

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 2:48 pm
Hey blogstrop, I put in a few vegies this morning additional to your vegie piece on Blair’s thread about Gillard. Don’t know if it got up yet. I am sure there are many more vegies just waiting to be hauled into service, but I was short of time.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Sep 12 at 2:51 pm
It’s irrelevant you arsewipe, your argument is still a piece of shit.

I have forced you to tone down your bigoted statements. That is enough for me.

Still playing this silly intellectualising game. “I know a few Muslims!” You still believe you have superior intellect because you are an atheist. You dumb shit.

Some of my best friend are black too.

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5 Sep 12 at 3:02 pm
Maybe it is the catholic Church’s fault, but probably not…these left wing trolls are invariably ex catholic…or concerned conservative Catholics.

It’s like they’ve picked up that the DLP is going to attack the ALP and Greens in the Senate, but other than giving an occasional sledge, they refuse to do anything about it, like fix up really, really stupid policy.

It’s also an anti Abbot meme. If he became a Muslim, plenty of ex Muslim left wingers would descend around here. If Abbot was an atheist, they’d wheel out some left wing Catholic priest with heretic ideas about dogma as a foil.

It’s such fucking bullshit.

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5 Sep 12 at 3:09 pm
“Was I scared? Was I mad? Hell, no,” Jones said. “It was simple. That man was going to take my life. He was hunting me. I was protecting myself.”

Liberty quote this man and have Shitfer flogged at once.

Infidel Tiger

5 Sep 12 at 3:12 pm
Which bigoted statement(s), dot? Why are you so insecure in your theistic belief? When I asked yesterday JamesK answered emphatically, and good on him. You on the other hand simply spew verbal diarrhea, without actually stating what your beliefs are.

My “argument” is simply that the difference between theists and atheists is that theists believe in the existence of god (or gods) and that god had something to do with the creation of the universe. Atheists don’t and don’t. As I said plenty of times, that seems like a pretty simple difference. You may be implying a third choice – that theists belive in God, but god had nothing to do with the creation of the universe. But it’s hard to tell among all your blather.

Where did i say or imply “I believe I have superior intellect because I am an atheist.”?

I was intrigued yesterday that the debate went on for so long. Some people belive in God, I don’t, end of argument.

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 3:17 pm
So, let me get this straight, sfb finds a woman successfully defending herself “creepy”, but defends a man that left a woman he was with to drown and goes off to sleep, etc. without calling for help (apart for himself). This from a man ‘concerned’ about misogyny; echoing the theme of the Democrat Convention. sfb is a case worthy of Theodore Dalrymple.

dover_beach

5 Sep 12 at 3:25 pm
It’s like they’ve picked up that the DLP is going to attack the ALP and Greens in the Senate, but other than giving an occasional sledge, they refuse to do anything about it, like fix up really, really stupid policy.

We make fun of you because you give us such great fun, Dot. No one cares about the DLP.

m0nty

5 Sep 12 at 3:26 pm
He’s failed; he’s done wrong, but please, give him a second chance and maybe, just maybe, he’ll get things right this time around. Fingers crossed, y’all.

MICHELLE Obama has urged voters to give her husband a second chance as US president, saying he can be trusted to do what he says.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 3:29 pm
SteveFB, what do you reckon about Roman Polanski? Good guy?

Dangph

5 Sep 12 at 3:29 pm
Token – I agree the ALP started using the arrest of Mary Jo Fisher when the pressure on Thomson got very intense, but at the same time it stayed very low key for quite a while. For quite a while there were a lot of discussions related to Thomson where I would have expected them to bring the case up in the usual partisan political “you’re just as bad” manner, but didn’t.

Chris

5 Sep 12 at 3:29 pm
This from a man ‘concerned’ about misogyny

not so much concerned as practices it.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 3:30 pm
Embarrassment at the convention for Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

(Who, as usual, looks she just hopped out of the shower).

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 3:31 pm
MICHELLE Obama has urged voters to give her husband a second chance as US president…

Ahahahahaha. Wow. Now there’s a ringing endorsement.

C.L.

5 Sep 12 at 3:33 pm
“Aquinas did not consider the idea”

Don’t be an idiot. I said “this type of argument”, not “this argument”. Or words to that effect.

Jarrah

5 Sep 12 at 3:37 pm
Bummer. DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz attacked The Examiner today on FOX News for ‘deliberately’ misquoting her… But, she didn’t count on them having the audio to back up their report.

So she lied. Colour me unsurprised.
To me she looks like she’s never brushed her hair.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 3:40 pm
Gillard out today defending her cack-handed speech to the miners yesterday. At least this didn’t involve criminality or wasting taxpayer funds.

How soon can we be rid of this embarrassment?

H B Bear

5 Sep 12 at 3:51 pm
Test

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 3:53 pm
Test

You failed. You also have dangerously low levels of testosterone. Seek help.

infidel tiger

5 Sep 12 at 3:56 pm
You are unkind IT, but you are one of the few people here that makes me laugh

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 4:12 pm
One day you’ll be ready to graduate from High School, IT; but not yet.

As for d-b:

sfb finds a woman successfully defending herself “creepy”,

Well, he’s all for care when parsing arcane “proofs” of God, but a dishonest and careless git when it comes to arguments in the 21st century.

What’s creepy is the celebration of shootings of intruders regardless of the circumstances. Which is what routinely happens here.

defends a man that left a woman he was with to drown and goes off to sleep

The only “defence”, and that’s probably not even the right word for it, re Kennedy was against the wingnut escalation of what he did to “murder”.

But as with CL, it’s obvious that care with words does not matter, when it suits.

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 4:14 pm
What’s creepy is the celebration of shootings of intruders regardless of the circumstances.

My home is my castle and my shooting range.

if you don’t want to be covered in bullet holes, knock before you enter.

jtfsoon

5 Sep 12 at 4:16 pm
You’re a frustrated Batman* wannabe, Jason, so no surprises there.

* or whatever superhero uses guns. The Phantom?

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 4:17 pm
And, as usual, everyone* ignores the study that concluded that “stand your ground” laws do not work to reduce crime and lead to an escalation in homicides.

* except dot, who says “that can’t be right”.

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 4:19 pm
We make fun of you because you give us such great fun, Dot. No one cares about the DLP

Check their recruitment numbers. They want to keep hold of Madigan’s seat. They want more. They are very strongly anti carbon tax.

You will care, even if you don’t now.

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5 Sep 12 at 4:21 pm
The person the 92 year old shot could have been a social worker or medic come to see if he was okay and banged or kicked the door in out of concern. It’s worrying that a very elderly person does not feel safe or cannot secure his home and then has to use a gun.
Someone died and I know it’s a known felon but still it’s a life snuffed out without a chance to defend itself in Court. One wonders how it could have been averted but it’s different, different laws in America, I understand that.

cand

5 Sep 12 at 4:29 pm
Andrew Bolt in commenting on the backdown re power stations:

There are many who say Abbott’s unpopularity is a problem. I’d say it’s more than balanced by his strategic nous.

I’ve really had enough of this crap about Abbott’s unpopularity. The media tried this before with the often repeated thing about Costello’s smirk – WTF? The coalition’s polling is very good, and the leadership polls are for the most part irrelevant. But it still needs to be called for what it is, a cheap meme that sticks through repetition.
If the Libs don’t want to waste another potentially good PM they should counter this, and it shouldn’t be being repeated as if it had some significance by writers like Bolt.

blogstrop

5 Sep 12 at 4:30 pm
Good speech by Michelle Obama.

I didn’t believe a word of it but I believe she is sincere.

She’s become quite the polished political performer.

I could see the US Senate beckoning ala Hils

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 4:31 pm
Check their recruitment numbers. They want to keep hold of Madigan’s seat. They want more. They are very strongly anti carbon tax.

You will care, even if you don’t now.

Oh no, the LDP is coming to get me! Ooooh, I’m soooo scared!

Hahahahahaha.

m0nty

5 Sep 12 at 4:33 pm
Should we have a troll poll Sinc?

Rudiau

5 Sep 12 at 4:34 pm
You may be implying a third choice – that theists belive in God, but god had nothing to do with the creation of the universe. But it’s hard to tell among all your blather.

You smart arsed little shit brain. What I believe or don’t is immaterial. I don’t judge people or their intelligence based on their personal religious beliefs, unless they are extreme positions, such as Marxism or Islamofascism. I don’t judge or deride Jarrah or C.L for their atheism or theism. It’s a stupid metric.

A theist might believe that their god started the phase change and sat back and did nothing. They might think the universe is merely a sub set of creation. I don’t know. I don’t pretend to know what everyone else thinks.

What you are doing, on the other hand, is superficial. You are trying to redefine what people think as to shuttle them off into neat little boxes – ala “atheists = left wing = pro science = good” and “theists = right wing = anti science = stupid”. You tried to create a false dichotomy where only atheists believe in science.

You raging fuckhead. You still think you are intellectually superior because you “know” one possible explanation of cosmology is wrong – based on your own beliefs you cannot prove or disprove.

It’s all part of a meme to support the atheist Gillard and her politicised “science” and incompetently analysed economic policies – as a foil to the still moderately socialist but at least competent Abbot – who happens to be a Catholic.

This is the most superficial ruse we’ve seen in a while. Start denouncing radical Islam and we’ll buy into this shtick. No, Islamofascism is a lesser issue for you than culturally attacking churches that fuck all people attend nowadays.

Let’s pick on little old ladies because they might vote for Abbot because he has values. Gillard’s atheism isn’t a black mark but it gives her no support – her fraudulence shows she has no values. Let’s support Hicks because Howard went after him.

You are a repulsive, tribalistic shithead.

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5 Sep 12 at 4:37 pm
You are a repulsive, tribalistic shithead.

An excellent summary, Dot.

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 4:43 pm
SteveC is clearly incorrect.

I think its self-evident that being a theist is not a statement on your intelligence, if anything, many theists are incredibly intelligent, since they are able to come up with good rationalizations for believing in things that they believe in for non-rational reasons.

To take an extreme example, do you think Osama Bin Laden believed the things he did because he was unintelligent? Or uneducated? Unlikely.

Cardinal Pell as well, for whatever else can be said, is an intelligent man. Intelligence does not necessarily mean you are not going to believe in things for irrational reasons – I live in the ACT where people have a high level of education and are presumably quite bright, yet they believe in superstitious nonsense like “biodynamic farming”.

Seriously, check the link, and the next time you see some idea coming from Canberra, keep in mind it comes from the sort of people who believe in that.

Quentin George

5 Sep 12 at 4:46 pm
Abrahamic theists (e.g. Christians and Muslims) believe in a single deity (the same one)

SteveC – Christians believe in the TRUINE God, Muslims believe in a MONAD Allah. Completely different, and resulting in completely different worldviews. Definitely not the same one.

Ellen of Tasmania

5 Sep 12 at 4:48 pm
Check their recruitment numbers. They want to keep hold of Madigan’s seat. They want more. They are very strongly anti carbon tax.

You will care, even if you don’t now.

Oh no, the LDP is coming to get me! Ooooh, I’m soooo scared!

Hahahahahaha.

I was referring to the DLP you arseclown, that was quite clear.

Don’t you ever make pretences to pontificate and doctor us on Senate elections ever again, you colossal moron, minty.

.

5 Sep 12 at 4:50 pm
Michael Smith.

The AWU Scandal – PR Spakfilla from the PM – (for the uninitiated, Spakfilla is deployed by harassed husbands in the cover-up of impressions made by door handles, scooters and crockery on plasterboard)

LoL.

Rudiau

5 Sep 12 at 4:50 pm
SteveC – Christians believe in the TRUINE God, Muslims believe in a MONAD Allah. Completely different, and resulting in completely different worldviews. Definitely not the same one.

And the traditional Jewish conception of God is quite different to that developed under Christian theology.

Quentin George

5 Sep 12 at 4:53 pm
Bravo Bolta:

What Labor parrot Malcolm Farr says she said:

Token

5 Sep 12 at 4:53 pm
Fairfax starts propagating the new Gillard economic talking point: the mining boom is over and the zombie Green left government’s vitriolic attack on the industry, the carbon tax and the mining super profits tax has nothing to do with it.

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 4:53 pm
DLP or LDP, which is the most irrelevant political party in Australia? Even the Sex Party is more important today than these two dinosaur skeletons.

m0nty

5 Sep 12 at 4:54 pm
Righto, no answer. I’ll just take that as gutless on your part.
I don’t judge people or their intelligence based on their personal religious beliefs Same here
I don’t judge or deride Jarrah or C.L for their atheism or theism. same here.
You tried to create a false dichotomy where only atheists believe in science. Did I? Where?
You still think you are intellectually superior because you “know” one possible explanation of cosmology is wrong I’ve already asked you to show where I said that, which you can’t, because I didn’t
It’s all part of a meme to support the atheist Gillard Is it?
Let’s support Hicks because Howard went after him. Where did that come from?

The funniest part of your post was this:
I don’t pretend to know what everyone else thinks.
And then proceeded to make up an enormous amount of shit about what I think. You seem to have a serious projection problem. I don’t think a snickers bar will fix it.

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 4:54 pm
Token – I agree the ALP started using the arrest of Mary Jo Fisher when the pressure on Thomson got very intense, but at the same time it stayed very low key for quite a while.

Chris, thanks for acknowledging the main point. Next we can discuss whether we consider the PM & government Leader in the House using someone’s mental illness in interviews with major news organisations as means to deflect attention from a shameless crook is “low key”.

Guys, please remind me, what the next step is when trying to de-program someone?

Token

5 Sep 12 at 4:57 pm
DLP or LDP, which is the most irrelevant political party in Australia? Even the Sex Party is more important today than these two dinosaur skeletons.

You idiot, this is your defence for not knowing what you are talking about?

The DLP has a Senator, and the sex party has none.

I’ll give you a tip. When Fiona Patton goes, the sex party won’t be much more.

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5 Sep 12 at 4:58 pm
SteveC is clearly incorrect. Quentin, you sound more sensible than dot. What am I incorrect about?

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 4:59 pm
You are full of shit, Steve C.

You have been busted, and are now pissed off and respond with some lame TV ad for a chocolate bar.

Suck it Princess.

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5 Sep 12 at 5:00 pm
What am I incorrect about?

Oh jeez! Where do we start?

Nanuestalker

5 Sep 12 at 5:01 pm
Good speech by Michelle Obama.

I didn’t believe a word of it but I believe she is sincere.

I felt this speech had all the sincerity Gillard sniffling about the US going to the moon, and Gateway captured this wonderful hypocritical moment:

Michelle Obama at DNC: “If any family in this country struggles then we cannot be content” …(That’s Why She Took 16 Vacations in 3 Years)

Token

5 Sep 12 at 5:02 pm
Quentin, re Allah vs Yahweh, you may be right, I haven’t studied Islam in any depth, though they are undoubtedly an Abrahamic religion. However the Catholic god is definitely the same God as the Jewish Yahweh

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 5:03 pm
Another great GOP ad this time all Jimmy Carter’s words:

President Carter, President Obama

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 5:04 pm
Comment from the Michelle Obama thread at Gateway, showing quality analysis:

Beyond that, why is she wearing a sleeveless cocktail dress at a convention? It looks incredibly expensive. Plus her legs were shining which she had something done to them. Really inappropriate for a first lady.

steve from brisbane

5 Sep 12 at 5:06 pm
You are a repulsive, tribalistic shithead.

I presume that’s directed to SteveC. After that blast he ran to Kimberly, his plastic sex doll and started to cry.

JC

5 Sep 12 at 5:07 pm
“These people aren’t worth any more to me than a groundhog.”

Liberty quote this man. Have Shitfer publicly stoned.

Infidel Tiger

5 Sep 12 at 5:07 pm
dot, who is busted? You are clearly unable to answer any of my questions. Because you made up all the assertions you assigned to me. You made assertions, you can’t back them up – that’s my definition of busted.

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 5:08 pm
I felt this speech had all the sincerity Gillard sniffling about the US going to the moon

The first half of the speech suggested that she was the wife of a true conservative, Token.

Did our Kevin’s fiscal conservatism – not a “cigarette paper’s” difference between him and eevil right wing mastermind little Johnnie colour your cynicism?

LOL

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 5:11 pm
At 92, it’s lucky that it wasn’t the nephew that he forgot was visiting from out of town.

sdog, your celebration of people being shot and killed by people who had other choices (he waited 15 minutes for the basement door to open, and there is no mention of a call to the police) is just American creepy.

But you just like burglars to be shot, regardless of circumstances.

Creep.

My “celebration,” SfB, consisted solely of supplying block quote from the original news account and then editorialising, “Steve from Brisbane just wet his pants.”

Oh lordy. You did too, didn’t you.

What’s even lower on the evolutionary scale than a Beta male… an Omega male? Yeah, that’d be you.

I can just see you defending your wife against an attacker in your home: [SfB shouts from his hiding place under the bed] “Just lie back, relax, and make the best of it, dear – I’ve called The Authorities™, they should be here within the next few hours!”

Good grief. I hope you were lying about having a wife and children, you bed-wetting State-worshiping nancy boy.

sdog

5 Sep 12 at 5:11 pm
Yeah right. You refuse to engage and just start asking your own ridiculous questions.

My assertions are 100% correct.

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5 Sep 12 at 5:11 pm
Katie Pavlich speaks truth about Teddy Kennedy; Left stomps feet, spews profanity, threats

“Caring.”

sdog

5 Sep 12 at 5:14 pm
Did our Kevin’s fiscal conservatism – not a “cigarette paper’s” difference between him and eevil right wing mastermind little Johnnie colour your cynicism?

LOL

You, me & Charles Krauthammer it seems.

Token

5 Sep 12 at 5:15 pm
But you just like burglars to be shot, regardless of circumstances.

Yep, if in the act of a home invasion.

~~Creep~~ Normal guy

Well yes. Not after the fact or anything else going beyond reasonable force though.

Steve from B calls us creeps for defending the castle doctrine, lamenting the death of burglars yet supports the ALP Government with blanket media bans etc – against innocent poeple.

What a moronic fuckwit.

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5 Sep 12 at 5:16 pm
dot, Ignoring these two bizarre non-sequiturs:
It’s all part of a meme to support the atheist Gillard
Let’s support Hicks because Howard went after him.
We are left with your main argument, because this is the one you have repeated.
You still think you are intellectually superior because you “know” one possible explanation of cosmology is wrong
Again, show me where I said that, which you can’t, because I didn’t. Put up or shut up.

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 5:22 pm
I hope you were lying about having a wife and children, you bed-wetting State-worshiping nancy boy.

Dog, I suspect he’s actually single and collecting the disability pension, as well as state rent assistance, from his boarding house in the Brisbane inner suburbs, while he works on his application to be identified as Aboriginal.

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 5:23 pm
Good luck making any sense out that last stevec comment, Dot.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 5:23 pm
UPDATE: Shock! Horror! The Age and the CFMEU cover each others asses in their fight against Grollo.

The claims [made against Grollo by the Age and CFMEU], which date back six months, were first raised with us last week by the Courier-Mail who ran a story without naming Grocon or using the photo.

We understand the claims the Age has run and the photo (which is not taken at a Grocon site) also featured in flyers handed out by CFMEU organisers at the Emporium site at the beginning of the unlawful blockades.

The flyer makes the same insinuation as the article. We understand the non-Grocon employee identified in the photo is a construction worker for another firm in Brisbane.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 5:30 pm
ummm

finkelstein comes in handy.

JC

5 Sep 12 at 5:33 pm
I’m right aren’t I Gab?

If Abbot was an atheist, they’d wheel out Fr Bob.

.

5 Sep 12 at 5:34 pm
I hope you’re right, Tom. I wouldn’t be surprised if you were.

Meanwhile, more material to give the wannabe-crims of the world (and their staunch defenders) nightmares: the monthly ‘Armed Citizen’ section of the NRA magazine.

Because self-defense and defending your loved ones is just so damn “American creepy”.

sdog

5 Sep 12 at 5:34 pm
Caption this: Code Pink-er abandons vagina costume at DNC Planned Parenthood rally.

Oooh, so many captions, so little time.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 5:35 pm
Your case is clear and you are right, Dot – although why you even bother engaging with that nutjob on a serious level is beyond me.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 5:37 pm
Katie Pavlich speaks truth about Teddy Kennedy; Left stomps feet, spews profanity, threats

She’s first class and quite a babe.

She also did heaps of research and wrote a book on Fast & Furious long before the MSM carried it

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 5:39 pm
Gab, please don’t think I’m supporting Abbot.

He is the least worst option.

He is a socialist and will move the liberals economically left and socially right. As a libertarian, I am not a fan of this. However, his position is less economically left and less socially right than that of the carbon taxing, sanctioned speech of the ALP and Greens.

Abbot’s upside is he has lived outside the Canberra bubble, is a competent manager and is not head of a thoroughly corrupt political mass. His soft socialist policies are only a little crazy – not completely batshit insane.

.

5 Sep 12 at 5:42 pm
Ms Pavlich is indeed first class, JamesK. Also: smart, hot, confident. Everything about conservative women that scares the shit out of the Steves of the world.

sdog

5 Sep 12 at 5:44 pm
please don’t think I’m supporting Abbot.

never crossed my mind. From your writings, I know you better than that!

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 5:44 pm
The “evil, greedy” miner is correct.

For the second year in a row Australia is ranked 20th, just below South Korea and Saudi Arabia, in the World Economic Forum’s international productivity league table, dragged down by labour market laws, government regulation, unsophisticated business practices and a poor track record for innovation.

“The main area of concern for Australia is the rigidity of its labour market,” the report notes, a day after Australia’s richest woman, Gina Rinehart, prompted a prime ministerial rebuke for warning that Australian wages and regulations are undermining Australia’s global competitiveness.

Among 144 countries surveyed, Australia’s labour market ranks 123rd and 120th for wage flexibility and ease of hiring and firing, respectively.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 5:51 pm
” Well done is better than well said. ” (Benjamin Franklin)

That’s for you S~~leaze~~ from ~~a dark corner of~~ Brisbane

jumpnmcar

5 Sep 12 at 5:58 pm
A theist might believe that their god started the phase change and sat back and did nothing.

That would be a deist. I think it was St. Paul who wrote something to suggest that God is not just a bystander but remains actively involved. The Creation idea as expounded by Paul and consistent with the Big Bang is that creation is ongoing, it is not a one off. We live in the Big Bang. A news article last week said the “Big Bang” is misleading, it should be the “Big Chill”. Whatever, I wish they would shut the fuck up about cosmology because we don’t know enough. Feynman and Wittgenstein nailed it long ago: address solvable problems and if you can’t do that then shut up. Atheists, theists, deists, pantheists, all take note.

Dead Soul

5 Sep 12 at 6:01 pm
Amazing. Swan attacking Gina.
She’s taken $750 mil to $30 BIL.
He’s taken $50 BIL to negative $230 BIL.
When will the opposition attack the limey little scrotum with ” Swan isn’t comfortable with powerful Women, especially ones that don’t turn inherited wealth into massive debt ”

Maybe someone should point out Gina when through the GFC too.

jumpnmcar

5 Sep 12 at 6:11 pm
Message to all partisan hacks of the Left and Right. How can you let this happen?

Message to the left, both our political parties seem to want to follow the far right agenda of the US and throw money at education and health. Do you consider the outcomes in the US desirable?

I might be stupid but how does money help one to add up or to read?

To the Right how does all the left wing socialism of the US add up? seems it doesn’t. Ok so lets continue the the agenda anyway even copy the one of the most misleading ideas of the century that a government is an insurance company actually.

The end of the policy outcomes based on US experience is at least 5% of GDP wasted but probably 10% so lets join them. Another way to put it is you work 1 day in 10 for extra government waste. It means less money for your pet projects of extra military or cash handouts.

To the left and right in Aus get your act together.

kelly liddle

5 Sep 12 at 6:26 pm
Brc, your idea has merit but you haven’t considered that some people can live without electricity.

Interesting Rob, are these the people you are referring to?

Samaritans welfare group CEO Cec Shevels said 60 per cent of families approaching his organisation sought assistance with power bills.

More than 10 per cent could no longer afford to heat their homes during winter.

Yes, they can live without, but not live well…but that is not as important when achieving carbin purity is the actual goal of a society.

No, I was referring to Milne and the wankers that vote for her.

Rob

5 Sep 12 at 6:28 pm
Something to remember when all the politics gets you down.

Today marks what would have been the 66th birthday of a legend of the music industry, who was taken from us far too early…

Vale Freddie Mercury

Brian of Moorabbin

5 Sep 12 at 6:32 pm
It could have been a social worker or medic checking on the 92 year old and banged or kicked the door in concern.It’s worrying that an elderly person cannot be made secure in his own home that he has to have a gun to feel safe,
and I understand it was a known felon he killed but still it’s a life snuffed out with no chance to defend himself in Court. America’s laws are different,I understand that, it’s just different, just it seems a kind of tragedy in some respects, the old man now has to know he’s killed someone.

candy

5 Sep 12 at 6:40 pm
“Samaritans welfare group CEO Cec Shevels said 60 per cent of families approaching his organisation sought assistance with power bills.”

I’m not surprised. Over the last three years, power bills in NSW have increased by over 40%, higher than the national average of 35%. They’ve doubled since 2006. Additional network costs and the RET are the major culprits.

Jarrah

5 Sep 12 at 6:44 pm
When tendering on construction jobs for the big miners they generally give you the wages that you must pay your employees, and if you win the job they will audit you to ensure compliance. This is normally structured through the CCI (in WA) and I assume it is ticked off by the unions to stop industrial unrest. Though saying that we have very few union members in our industry.

Thus the miners themsleves dictate the wages you must pay.

Woolfe

5 Sep 12 at 6:47 pm
Janet in the Oz, on 46-year-old Twitter tragic Charlotte Dawson:

WHAT was Charlotte Dawson thinking? Maybe the former model wasn’t thinking. Maybe any publicity is good publicity when you’re a judge on Australia’s Next Top Model.

Like many people, I had never heard of the television celebrity until last week. And then, suddenly, her name was everywhere.

Newspapers reported a horrible online campaign of abuse directed at Dawson on Twitter. She could be heard on radio talking about firing back tweets to her online attackers. She was interviewed on evening TV. A day later, more newspaper reports emerged about Dawson’s admission to the emergency room at Sydney’s St Vincent’s Hospital after she tweeted “you win x” together with a picture of a hand holding pills.

There were reports doctors had banned her from engaging in social media and she would spend a few days in the hospital’s psychiatric ward. Reports too that, Dawson popped out of hospital against doctor’s orders to conduct an interview with the Nine Network’s 60 Minutes that aired on Sunday night.

Good grief. What a chucklehead.

This lady is older than me, works with an organisation supposedly helping young people deal with issues of “online bullying”, and she doesn’t even know the first thing about dealing with trolls herself?

I have over 8,000 twitter followers myself, but most of the habitual #auspol trolls have learned to leave me alone because I don’t generally give them any oxygen. You don’t HAVE to respond to every mention that shows up in your @ column – and in fact if you don’t, they almost always give up and go away. The more determined ones, you can block with one click.

A 46-year-old grown woman engaging in hours-long online slanging matches with anonymous trolls, culminating in her basically publicly threatening suicide over it? Unreal.

Where’s Abu Chowdah? I need a loudly-roared “Grow Up, Australia!” here.

sdog

5 Sep 12 at 6:50 pm
I have over 8,000 twitter followers myself,

Makes Rudd look amazing.

kelly liddle

5 Sep 12 at 7:02 pm
It could have been a social worker or medic checking on the 92 year old and banged or kicked the door in concern.

What a load of rubbish!

What social worker or medic would enter a house by kicking in a door none! In situations where welfare checks are required Police are called in, and they don’t kick in doors unannounced, they make everyone aware of who they are before breaking in.

It’s ~~worrying~~ reassuring that an elderly person can~~not be made~~ feel secure in his own home ~~that~~ because he has ~~to have~~ a gun ~~to feel safe~~

Contrary to the beliefs of some, bad people have been doing bad things to good people for ever, the phenomena of arming yourself for protection is not new to human kind.

the old man now has to know he’s killed someone.

The old man can go to sleep at night in his own bed knowing he is capable of looking after himself if some scum bag breaks in.

Could have been this or this if he hadn’t armed himself.

Old Fridgie

5 Sep 12 at 7:06 pm
A 46-year-old grown woman engaging in hours-long online slanging matches with anonymous trolls, culminating in her basically publicly threatening suicide over it?

Dog, she’s an attention whore like ShitFerBrains, only she’s trying to make money out of it, while ShitFer can only dream about monetising his beta personality.

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 7:09 pm
Makes Rudd look amazing.

Well, one would hope that the former PM of a country would have more followers than an anonymous cartoon dog of no particular distinction.

Sadly, though, most of his followers are fakes. Like Obama, he buys them by the thousand. Pathetic little man.

sdog

5 Sep 12 at 7:11 pm
of no particular distinction.

A Southern Gentleman is always distinctive. ‘specially to th’ ladies.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 7:20 pm
Like Obama, he buys them by the thousand. Pathetic little man.

Glad you haven’t resorted to buying them.

kelly liddle

5 Sep 12 at 7:27 pm
No, I was referring to Milne and the wankers that vote for her.

Thanks, makes sense now, Rob.

The quotes still stand for the people who actually vote for the angry housewife and the slimers.

Token

5 Sep 12 at 7:30 pm
Thanks Lizzie for your backup at Blair’s. I’m sure most will think we went a veg too far!

blogstrop

5 Sep 12 at 7:37 pm
And should be carrotted!

blogstrop

5 Sep 12 at 7:38 pm
I said “this type of argument”, not “this argument”. Or words to that effect.

That is what I meant; I’m not sure why you would believe I meant that idea in particular, however. Aquinas had no idea about the intricacies of the Standard Model or its variants, he needed no such idea. A finite or infinite universe is irrelevant to the Cosmological Argument. But he certainly conceived of what that would involve; that time begins with Creation.

dover_beach

5 Sep 12 at 7:41 pm
Well, he’s all for care when parsing arcane “proofs” of God, but a dishonest and careless git when it comes to arguments in the 21st century. What’s creepy is the celebration of shootings of intruders regardless of the circumstances. Which is what routinely happens here.

No one here has celebrated the “shooting of intruders regardless of the circumstances”, sfb, but thanks for letting me know my arrow hit the mark.

dover_beach

5 Sep 12 at 7:49 pm
Australia had an unusually high amount of rain and snowfall in the 1960s. This is a well known fact and a reason why we had an agricultural export boom back then.

Really, dot?

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 7:49 pm
I’m not cryin’ yet blogstrop.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Sep 12 at 7:50 pm
Leigh Sales just tried to browbeat Barnaby Joyce, saying that if her almighty audience wanted to know about it, he should divulge the contents of a private conversation. Moo!

blogstrop

5 Sep 12 at 7:53 pm
Sorry Blogstrop. Phone rang. Was going to smarten that crying up with a reference to onions.

Now HIA is home and hungry too. We are off to Sydney tomorrow, me to play for a week, he to stay till Monday. We have an excellent weekend planned.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Sep 12 at 8:07 pm
SteveC
Don’t know exactly what your point is but the link you provided indicates cherry picking. 3 graphs and all different start and finish dates.

kelly liddle

5 Sep 12 at 8:14 pm
If Abbot was an atheist, they’d wheel out Fr Bob.

If Gillard was a Catholic, I would wheel out Father Ted.

dover_beach

5 Sep 12 at 8:16 pm
kelly, does the rainfall chart support the proposition that “Australia had an unusually high amount of rain and snowfall in the 1960s“?

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 8:21 pm
Lizzie, if you’re onion … sorry, unattended I’m off work the first couple of days next week too. We could do lunch. And I suspect I’m old enough to be your dad so HIA needn’t worry.

blogstrop

5 Sep 12 at 8:22 pm
Poor old Abbot. Only beta males, the cognitively challenged and perennial conformists can now defend him.

You’re incapable of defending anyone febbie – whether your gender be beta or feminazi

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 8:31 pm
“Pathetic little man.”

Sdog, in all due respect, K.Rudd is genuinely popular up here i’m in his electorate and he gets around to the charitable orgnisations, the schools of course, here and there and everwhere and people like him. He is a good communicator out there with the public, in the way that Ms Gillard isn’t.
just saying, not pathetic, perhaps a little over eager to be liked.

candy

5 Sep 12 at 8:32 pm
Nice round-up of Father Ted there, DB. One of my very favorite shows. Only in Ireland….

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Sep 12 at 8:32 pm
just saying, not pathetic, perhaps a little over eager to be liked.

Face up to reality Candy.

Your Kevvie is a nasty little man

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 8:33 pm
Sinc, this particular troll is here for only one reason, but has so far skilfully avoided being shot from your cannon.

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 8:33 pm
Found this troll frequenting Michael Smiths FB page and his website saying some crazy shit…

Her recommendation to the Greens.

I agree, she really does need to spread the news if these are some of her views, it will be great for the greenslime…

moderators can we PLEASE ban and delete coments from those opposing our views. I really can’t wait until the media inquiry comes to fruition

but the likes of Andrew Bolt and other neocons should be at least censored surely. What about climate change denialists. At least without those views we could have had action on climate change long ago.

what happens when media barons want to control the media, we get complete unfettered bias. This is why we need a national media inquiry regulating the extreme right from spruiking their wares

perhaps its time we questioned if we need the large police force at all. I was at the protest in Grollo and there was no need for the jackboots to be there. It is nothing to do with them. If we took guns of them then there would be no need for crims to have guns.

you right wing shocks should be silenced. Why do we have a defence force at all. Because there is this archaic view that the domino effect is still present, that we are still chasing reds under the beds and thanks to the redneck gun lobby it exists so they can profit. Perhaps if we redirected funds from defence into sustainable herbiculture, gay marriage equity, Gay appreciation lessons in schools and ensuring the big polluters pay we would be a better society. We need an inquiry to ensure that homophobic views are banned, that climate change denialism is banned and any dialogue speaking against welcoming refugees is banned. Its about time we started to ensure that the offensive term “people smugglers” is also banned. These are heroes akin to Schindler. BTW your page is reported as being racist and offensive.

She is the new Composta!

Old Fridgie

5 Sep 12 at 8:41 pm
“Face up to reality Candy.

Your Kevvie is a nasty little man”

JamesK, just judging by his work as the member for Griffith here. I was reading a comment by someone here a day or two ago (not open forum) who said that in America people will judge their representative by what they do and how they are, and not just ‘cos they are Democrat or Republican but go to town hall meetings and so on and decide on the merits of that person. I can’t remember who said it or what column.

candy

5 Sep 12 at 8:43 pm
Australia had an unusually high amount of rain and snowfall in the 1960s. This is a well known fact and a reason why we had an agricultural export boom back then…
Really, dot?

Yeah really SteveC, in the S E — in the 50s, 60s and 70s, which correlates with the recorded snow depths in the Alps.
But then facts are not of much interest to the catastrophe enthusiasts.

manalive

5 Sep 12 at 8:44 pm
From that Sarah Bath link – an interesting view of the Democrats from the far, far left:

The opening night of the Democratic National Convention provided a grossly distorted picture of the Obama administration, presenting a right-wing, pro-corporate, anti-working-class government as though it was the second coming of the New Deal.

Speaker after speaker bashed Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney as the candidate of wealth and privilege and portrayed Obama as the advocate of working people and his reelection as the key to social and economic progress.

The utter cynicism of this claim was demonstrated by the continual references to Obama’s bailout of the auto industry as the high point of his concern for the working class. This action supposedly “saved a million jobs,” but there was no examination of the actual impact of the government intervention into General Motors and Chrysler on autoworkers.

Using the threat of imminent liquidation of the two companies, Obama’s auto task force, drawn from the top circles of investment banking, cut the wages of new hires by 50 percent, released the auto bosses of their obligation to pay healthcare benefits to retirees, and even stole dental and optical care from retired workers and their families.

FMD.

boy on a bike

5 Sep 12 at 8:51 pm
BOOM! New Romney ad exposes Obama’s empty promises to Janesville plant

The Obama campaign is busy attacking Paul Ryan to distract from President Obama’s broken promises. Four years ago, President Obama promised twice to bring prosperity back to Janesville, Wisconsin and retool its GM plant. Today, that plant still stands closed. Promises made on the campaign trail. Promises broken in Washington.

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 8:56 pm
very good manalive, Now change the season to winter, which is, after all, when it snows.

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 8:59 pm
Poor old Abbot. Only beta males, the cognitively challenged and perennial conformists can now defend him.

It’s fat Phil, the olive oil drabbing couch cyclist trannie.

I know those greasy fat paws anywhere.

JC

5 Sep 12 at 9:01 pm
And maybe look at the winter temperature too. Now of the two metrics which one do you think had the most effect on snowfall?

SteveC

5 Sep 12 at 9:03 pm
JC, could you give me the Phil story in 25 words or less?

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 9:06 pm
JamesK, just judging by his work as the member for Griffith here.

So until he was deposed your Kevvie was the worst PM ever, Candy.

His arrogance and grandstanding caused literally more than a thousand deaths at sea, he flagrantly wasted $200 billion of our taxes – pissed the money away – and he was personally an utter git to all and sundry around him, including Air Force junior personnel on his much abused airplane.

Electricity price rises of 30% in the last 2 years can be slated to him.

He’s shamed us internationally.

Int relations with China, Indonesia and Japan have all been at a low ebb – all directly due to your Kevvie’s incompetence and arrogance.

But that’s all okeydokey ‘cos he’s liked in his own electorate?

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 9:06 pm
“Poor old Abbot. Only beta males, the cognitively challenged and perennial conformists can now defend him.”

hello febromyalgia, sounds like you need your pain relief already. also – Abbott – two t’s, not one.

candy

5 Sep 12 at 9:07 pm
“But that’s all okeydokey ‘cos he’s liked in his own electorate?

He’s not a bad bloke and Ms Gillard has actually wreaked the damage, JamesK. He was only PM for less than two years – not a full term which ANY pm should have. That is fair play and the Australian way (in my opinion).

candy

5 Sep 12 at 9:12 pm
Tom

It would be impossible to describe that human monstrosity in less than 1000 pages. He’s permanently banned from here. He used to spend time slagging the Cat from Birdie’s site, but I think Birdie and the trannie had a lover’s tiff and hasn’t been seen there since.

JC

5 Sep 12 at 9:12 pm
I can give it to you in one, Tom: gobshite.

dover_beach

5 Sep 12 at 9:17 pm
He was only PM for less than two years – not a full term which ANY pm should have. That is fair play and the Australian way (in my opinion).

Well you have point there.

The sin was that nobody knew why he was replaced.

I supported his removal; I just never believed that Gillard would have been worse.

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 9:17 pm
“I’m not sure why you would believe I meant that idea in particular, however.”

Que? Are there two people using your login? You, or someone posing as you, wrote:

Really, I’ve been making the argument that Aquinas did not consider the idea that “time was created in the Big Bang, and therefore it’s as meaningless to ask what came ‘before’ the Big Bang as it is to ask what’s north of the North Pole”? That idea?

Gee, I don’t know why I would believe you meant that idea in particular!

“A finite or infinite universe is irrelevant to the Cosmological Argument.”

I know you think I haven’t done any reading on this subject, but that’s not the case. That’s how I know your statement is false – in the Summa Theologica, Aquinas said:

Now in efficient causes it is not possible to go on to infinity, because in all efficient causes following in order, the first is the cause of the intermediate cause, and the intermediate is the cause of the ultimate cause, whether the intermediate cause be several, or only one. Now to take away the cause is to take away the effect. Therefore, if there be no first cause among efficient causes, there will be no ultimate, nor any intermediate cause. But if in efficient causes it is possible to go on to infinity, there will be no first efficient cause, neither will there be an ultimate effect, nor any intermediate efficient causes; all of which is plainly false. Therefore it is necessary to admit a first efficient cause, to which everyone gives the name of God.

Checkmate, theist.

Jarrah

5 Sep 12 at 9:24 pm
He was only PM for less than two years – not a full term which ANY pm should have. That is fair play and the Australian way (in my opinion).

Two minutes of the oily little smarmball on Sunrise as opposition leader was more than enough for me to know what an insincere little opportunist he is. His performance in his two years as PM simply pushed that view even lower. But I will admit, given his poll ratings, he has proved George Burns right.

If you can fake sincerity, you’ve got it made.

Megan

5 Sep 12 at 9:28 pm
i would challenge the argument that Rudd is a good local member. I remember well his campaign to reduce aircraft noise which he used to drum up local support and as an implement to beat Howard over the head with, which was strangely forgotten immediately he got in government. At least he turns up to a ~~picture opportunity~~ chook raffle.

And from all accounts good old Dr Death is the dysfunctional boss from hell. And that was from people who worked with him long before he became PM.

entropy

5 Sep 12 at 9:29 pm
And BTW, I honestly believed Gillard would be better. I was wrong.

entropy

5 Sep 12 at 9:31 pm
And from all accounts good old Dr Death is the dysfunctional boss from hell. And that was from people who worked with him long before he became PM.

Get hold of the book “The No Asshole Rule: building a civilized workplace and surviving one that isn’t” and run through the checklist in there. Even if only half of what we have found out about him from others is true, he stands clearly on the Asshole side of the line.

Megan

5 Sep 12 at 9:42 pm
And BTW, I honestly believed Gillard would be better. I was wrong.

Gillard subcontracted her mouth to spin doctors because she didn’t trust what might come out of it. On reflection, she made a good decision: there’s no way communism can be made electorally appealing in Australia. Her mistake was to underestimate public perception and intelligence.

Tom

5 Sep 12 at 9:45 pm
Que? Are there two people using your login? You, or someone posing as you,…

Jarrah, I think we might be arguing at cross-purposes here. When I originally challenged you, in the previous thread, the claim I was challenging was your claim that Aquinas and successors never imagined the “unintuitive possibility” that there was no “before” prior to Creation. But this could not be true since the one of the attributes of a First Cause is timelessness.

I know you think I haven’t done any reading on this subject, but that’s not the case. That’s how I know your statement is false….Checkmate, theist.

Regarding your quotation from Aquinas, that would be his Second Way. Good, it looks like you’ve done some reading now but you’ve been rather careless. What that argues is entirely in keeping with what I’ve been arguing, so you’ve been a little careless about what I’ve said too. It is arguing about a sustaining cause in an essentially order causal series; it is not arguing back but down. And as I’ve argued before, in such a series, the First Causes is essential, without it, there can be no intermediate or ultimate causes, since the first cause “provides the effect”. An infinitely long series of intermediate causes will not do. That is why I’ve borrowed the quip about infinitely long paint brush handles still being unable to move themselves.

So, no, not so much a checkmate on your part, but an own goal. At least you’ve managed to get the ball this time.

dover_beach

5 Sep 12 at 9:51 pm
Blogstrop, you would be light years better than my dentist I am sure. He’s the world’s most boring man – but best dentist so worth going to Sydney for and his appointments are fought over. He holds me captive with my mouth immobilised for about an hour while going on about the contents his electronics magazines (he thinks I am fascinated). His is the the only appointment I could cancel and that only marginally so, because he’s fixing a broken crown (you didn’t get much dentistry in my sort of childhood). Otherwise I’m fully booked up.

It seems we must reconcile to being a star-crossed pair, even though you love words as I do, which will always be our mutual pleasure. Careful though if HIA gets a hint of this. Regardless of avuncular intent, you could be mistakenly invited outside and that is not fair to older blokes.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Sep 12 at 9:52 pm
How does one simultaneuously promise to run a full term and keep open the oprion of an early election…

Easy if you’re a member of the Australian Liars Party.

kae

5 Sep 12 at 9:59 pm
She’s all things to all people, Kae, in her own mind. Completely duplicitous. Therefore she offers nothing of any substance to anyone. She’s just an annoying gasbag on the tele whom I turn off the minute she comes on. Australia’s ruin.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

5 Sep 12 at 10:11 pm
“Good, it looks like you’ve done some reading now”

No, don’t bother trying to cast my textual debunking of your falsehood as though I’m playing catch-up. I had read a lot of Aquinas when you first brought up the Five Ways months ago. How else do you think I could pithily summarise his illogicality?

“It is arguing about a sustaining cause in an essentially order causal series; it is not arguing back but down.”

Sorry, but the text does not support your sophistry. You said finite or infinite was irrelevant. I’ve just shown that infinity was a key concern. You can tell, by the use of “it is not possible to go on to infinity”.

“An infinitely long series of intermediate causes will not do.”

Argument from intuition again. It’s really not good enough. Also, you’ve just shown how infinity is central to the cosmological argument, not irrelevant as per your earlier claim. Are both people now typing in the same comment?

Jarrah

5 Sep 12 at 11:14 pm
Sarah Hanson-Young would be fabulous PM imho.

Something is broken in your mind.

Dangph

5 Sep 12 at 11:21 pm
Something is broken in your mind.

Thank of the image Tubbsie Milne as OM would cause.

JC

5 Sep 12 at 11:22 pm
LOL a certain person’s ego is no match for his illogical and failed disquisitions.

Gab

5 Sep 12 at 11:30 pm
Salon: Gay couples have happier kids
‘Studies show’ (leftist™) that the traditional nuclear family is not better. It’s a dying model — and that’s a good thing

If you want what’s best for your kids, one surefire way to provide them with a healthy, happy home is to make sure they have lesbian parents. In the longest-running study of lesbian families to date, zero percent of children reported physical or sexual abuse—not a one. In the general population, 26 percent of children report physical abuse and 8.3 percent report sexual abuse………

A five-year review of eighty-one parenting studies published in the 2010 Journal of Marriage and Family, for example, reported that children raised by same-sex parents are “statistically indistinguishable” from those raised by straight parents in terms of self-esteem, academics, and social adjustment. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the Child Welfare League of America, the National Association of Social Workers, the American Medical Association, and the American Psychological Association all agree that same-sex couples are just as fit to parent as their heterosexual counterparts.

Today’s “perfect” family is not what it used to be.

The Left will never desist.

Gender meaningless is the goal withg human nature to be forced to submit to their rancid ideology

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 11:56 pm
Thank of the image Tubbsie Milne as PM would cause.

Actually, JC, that image has cheered me up a bit. While things could be better, they could be a lot worse.

Dangph

5 Sep 12 at 11:57 pm
NYT: Egypt Abuzz as Newsreader on State TV Wears Hijab

CAIRO — In what was called a first for Egyptian state television, a woman wearing a head scarf presented headlines in a newscast on Sunday, breaking with a code of secular dress that for decades effectively barred the wearing of Islamic head coverings……

Veiled women have been presenting the news for years on private satellite television here, including Ms. Nabil, who previously worked for the Brotherhood’s satellite station, Misr 25. Her appearance on Channel 1 was announced Saturday by the newly appointed information minister, Salah Abdel-Maqsoud, a Brotherhood member, who told an interviewer that Ms. Nabil’s wearing of the hijab would represent the “enforcement of the principle of justice in the field of media,” in the spirit of the Egyptian revolution, according to MENA, the official state news agency.

JamesK

5 Sep 12 at 11:59 pm
DW: EU pushes for more women’s quotas

The European Commission is increasing pressure on big companies to elevate more women to top positions. Forty percent of supervisory board members are to be women by 2020, according to EU Commissioner Viviane Reding.

Commissioner Reding has been lobbying to boost the share of women in leadership positions of big companies for a while. Her patience has been running thin lately, with many EU countries – Germany, in particular – failing to improve workplace inequality.

On Monday, Reding’s office presented a draft for an EU directive to the other Commission departments, with the goal of getting the directive underway as soon as this autumn, a spokesperson told DW. If it passes, the directive will force all 27 EU member states to introduce laws for a binding gender quota in companies listed on the stock markets by January 1, 2020.

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 12:02 am
Employing people based on their skills, talents, experience, knowledge and by merit is just so passé. Interesting how the lefties want a gender neutral world – except for when it comes to this absurd fantasy of employment by gender.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 12:07 am
Quite sickening.

You can thank our friends at FoxNews.com (picked up by Drudge) for alerting us to the pious artwork and posters for sale by street vendors outside the DNC with the headline: Artwork Portrays Obama as Jesus.

I can only hope he gets crucified at the polls.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 12:09 am
Is it just me or is 2020 the new 2000 for achievements?

DaveF

6 Sep 12 at 12:10 am
By that I mean 2000 was the year Sydney had it all. Roads? Done. Railways? Complete. Good hospitals? Maaaate, done.

Seems to be 2020 now.

African poverty has maybe 8 years left and that’s good news.

DaveF

6 Sep 12 at 12:15 am
I can only hope he gets crucified at the polls.

But can he rise from the dead?

JC

6 Sep 12 at 12:17 am
No, don’t bother trying to cast my textual debunking of your falsehood as though I’m playing catch-up. I had read a lot of Aquinas when you first brought up the Five Ways months ago. How else do you think I could pithily summarise his illogicality?

But you haven’t. See below.

Sorry, but the text does not support your sophistry. You said finite or infinite was irrelevant. I’ve just shown that infinity was a key concern. You can tell, by the use of “it is not possible to go on to infinity”.

No, a temporal first cause was no concern to Aquinas or Aristotle since neither was arguing back temporally to a first cause in the past, which is why both thought that you could not prove the finitude of the universe, philosophically. In fact, as I stated earlier, Aristotle believed the universe to be infinite. They were arguing down to what fundamentally sustains the universe in existence at every moment. The ‘first’ in first cause means fundamental. That which provides to all intermediate causes “the effect” and thus initiates all other effects in an essentially order series. Without it there would be nothing. As quoted by sfb in the other thread:

Since the argument proceeds independent of temporal considerations, the argument does not propose a first cause in time, but rather a first or primary sustaining cause of the universe. As Aquinas noted, the philosophical arguments for God’s existence are compatible with the eternity of the universe (On the Eternity of the World).

(emphasis mine)

Argument from intuition again. It’s really not good enough. Also, you’ve just shown how infinity is central to the cosmological argument, not irrelevant as per your earlier claim. Are both people now typing in the same comment?

It isn’t just an intuition. It is also obvious on reflection that an effect requires a cause; you cannot defer the requirement to infinity because to do so would be to admit that an effect requires no cause. That is again, the point of the image: If a long handled paint brush cannot move itself neither can a paint brush with an infinitely long handle.

dover_beach

6 Sep 12 at 12:17 am
What is it about Labor/Democrat people and cars. First we had the story of Kevvie and family living in a car. Now this evening on Lateline caught a glimpse of Michelle Obama telling us of her dates with Obama and his car that was so old and rusted she could see the ground. What next the wooden love shack?

delfino

6 Sep 12 at 12:19 am
Her appearance on Channel 1 was announced Saturday by the newly appointed information minister, Salah Abdel-Maqsoud, a Brotherhood member, who told an interviewer that Ms. Nabil’s wearing of the hijab would represent the “enforcement of the principle of justice in the field of media,” in the spirit of the Egyptian revolution, according to MENA, the official state news agency.

Progress:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/194142/full-coverage/mark-steyn

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/al_jazeera_women_go_on_hair/

Ivan Denisovich

6 Sep 12 at 12:23 am
DRUDGE breaking:

Dems move keynote Obama speech from 75,000 capacity stadium to 15,000 seat arena. Official excuse: possible lightning strike.

LOL.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 12:26 am
Potemkin’s Village

Make up your own mind… here

Grigory Potemkin

6 Sep 12 at 12:30 am
Sometimes the level of freedom or liberty in a society is not obvious by simply looking around. Economic freedom, to say nothing of freedom of speech and press, cannot be easily discerned by simply walking down the street. But other times there are visible signs that make it painfully obvious where a society or nation ranks. We’re all familiar with communist and Nazi propaganda posters and statues. Huge signs of the head of state are a sign of a cult of personality that is a telling sign of totalitarian or authoritarian societies.

These are still around, but in today’s world we face a new threat to our liberties; a fundamentalist or radical Islam. One of the first things that happens in a society infected with that disease is the degradation of women’s rights, and the most visible sign of that is the wearing of the veil, whether the full burka or the head-covering-only hijab.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 12:31 am
When even the law protects ped0philes then society and humanity is really heading for the sewer.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 12:36 am
“It isn’t just an intuition. It is also obvious on reflection”

You don’t see it? You really don’t see it? Then we’re both wasting our time.

Jarrah

6 Sep 12 at 12:37 am
Sununu: Obama campaign “wetting their pants.”

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 12:56 am
VICTORIANS who experience or witness racist abuse or hate are being asked to dob in the perpetrators under a bold plan to wipe out the ugly behaviour.

The Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission has launched a campaign to target offensive acts that often go unreported, as a series of disturbing cases of racism are revealed.

Both victims and third parties are encouraged to report and respond to acts of hate like graffiti, online slurs, racist remarks against children on the football field, or vilification at work, under the anti-hate campaign.

What could possibly go wrong? Umm…false accusations?

Ring, ring…Hello? Hi, it’s 1939 Germany calling…No, No it’s Mao’s Red Guard calling…

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 12:57 am
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/human-rights-commission-urges-victims-to-report-racist-slurs/story-e6frf7kx-1226465928519

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 12:57 am
A few years ago it was reported that the Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission received hardly any complaints and didn’t have enough work to do. It was suggested that its sinister functionaries would solve this by expanding the definitions of, and reporting mechanisms for, ‘racism.’

So now they’ve actually done it.

And a Liberal government is cool with it.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 1:01 am
You’re right, CL. In the article the Human Rights Stormtrooper bemoans the fact that they’ve received only 59 complaints over three years. makes you wonder why we’re paying the big bucks to have them there. In danger of not being able to justify their existence? Problem solved.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 1:10 am
A few years ago it was reported that the Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission received hardly any complaints and didn’t have enough work to do. It was suggested that its sinister functionaries would solve this by expanding the definitions of, and reporting mechanisms for, ‘racism.’

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_creating_racists/

Ivan Denisovich

6 Sep 12 at 1:10 am
Thanks for the reminder, Ivan.

Yeah, that’s what I thought.

Bolt’s conclusion:

Your grievance industry at work. I suggest we dismantle it, since the fewer incentives we give it to find trouble, the surer that it will create no more.

But the Liberal Party doesn’t want to dismantle it. It thinks it’s a small price to pay to keep the love media and the outrage propagandists off its case.

Utterly despicable.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 1:19 am
It thinks it’s a small price to pay to keep the love media and the outrage propagandists off its case.

A crucial element in the success of the left’s long march through the institutions.

http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/allan/2011/05/why-abbott-scares-them

Most important culture war targets for a Coalition Govt are the media and education but I don’t share Allan’s faith in Abbott.

Ivan Denisovich

6 Sep 12 at 1:40 am
Most reported and heavily-publicized “hate crime” in the States ultimately turns out to have been faked.

Gotta keep that Victim-Industrial complex going somehow! Narratives FTW.

sdog

6 Sep 12 at 1:50 am
Check out the current “Send This Tweet Now” Professor Jacobson has just put up at the Legal Insurrection blog:

Tonight Dems will stand and cheer an ethnic fraud http://youtu.be/xQnhVKfNcJo #DNC2012 #p2 #tcot http://shar.es/7PoGu

God, I love free speech.

Australia well and truly sucks sometimes.

sdog

6 Sep 12 at 2:21 am
It thinks it’s a small price to pay to keep the love media and the outrage propagandists off its case.

For now, at any rate. Later may be another matter.

As with environmental measures, I think Abbott is waiting until he sees the whites of their eyes and the Green in their souls, and then he is going to let rip.

perturbed

6 Sep 12 at 3:17 am
I think Abbott is waiting until he sees the whites of their eyes and the Green in their souls, and then he is going to let rip.

I don’t think so. When Abbott is elected, the left simply moves the barricades back to the bureaucracy to defend its empire from there.

The election of the Abbott Government will be the start of the war to rid Australia of the left’s control of government through the bureaucracy.

Tom

6 Sep 12 at 3:31 am
How sovereign risk is killing investment in Australia:

The decision to end the negotiations to buy and close down Australia’s “dirtiest” brown-coal power plants is not just a shift in policy that might ultimately save the budget billions; it is another shift in the goalposts that sends the wrong signals to industry and investors.

Apart from the fact the government’s purchase and closure of the high carbon-emitting power stations was instrumental in reaching its target of cutting greenhouse gases and would cost hundreds of jobs, it was a core element of agreement with the electricity suppliers about the long-term conversion to “cleaner” gas-powered stations.

These negotiations, which Energy Minister Martin Ferguson says were conducted in “good faith” but were undermined by the economics of electricity demand (and costs under the tax), are another symbol of Labor’s inability to deal with business realistically, openly and frankly.

Australia can’t afford another year of an economically illiterate, mad dog, Marxist government.

Tom

6 Sep 12 at 4:13 am
In the meantime, power generators are playing the loony Green tax-subsidy game like a piano:

AUSTRALIA’S highest-emitting brown coal electricity generators are between $400 million and $1 billion better off than they would have been without the carbon tax, according to new modelling.

The generators’ stronger-than-expected financial position forced the Gillard government yesterday to abandon its attempts to pay some of them to close down by 2020, infuriating environment groups and the Greens.

Giving up on the negotiations for early closure frees at least $1 billion in the budget from 2013-14. It means that greenhouse-intensive Latrobe Valley power plants Hazelwood, Yallourn and Energy Brix are likely to remain in operation for at least several years beyond their planned phase-out between 2016 and 2020.

The collapse of the talks has also triggered demands for the government to reconsider $4.5 billion worth of compensation yet to be paid to the companies on top of $1 billion in cash grants already handed over.

LINK

Tom

6 Sep 12 at 4:30 am
Remember when they said “You’ll have to pass the bill to see what’s in it”?

Health insurance premiums for college students in North Carolina rise 51% under ObamaCare

Students might have cheered the efforts of the Obama administration to force colleges to provide more comprehensive coverage, but they won’t be cheering when they open the bill for those services. Most young adults won’t ever use $1400 of medical services in a year, let alone more than that. A routine wellness physical costs around 10-15% of that figure. They would be better off with a low-cost policy for hospitalization and paying for everything else out of pocket.

That’s why an ObamaCare strategy is a perverse effort to woo young adults. If students wanted a comprehensive-policy option, they could have gotten it without ObamaCare, and now students no longer have the more sensible low-cost option thanks to ObamaCare’s mandate.

Awesome work, Obama. Freaking awesome.

sdog

6 Sep 12 at 4:31 am
Don’t suppose we could have a thread to itself on Christine Milne’s interview last week on Insiders [transcript here]?

It is a multifaceted gem of economic illiteracy and wishful thinking. Highlights include:

Carbon price: now made the Australian price for the long-term effectively the European price. It will be the global price at that time. And so companies can now look forward and track that and get long term certainty.

There’s a big movement in Europe to drive up the price because their whole recovery strategy is around renewable energy, energy efficiency and the like. They’ve got a lot of big projects in the pipeline that require a higher price.

Paying for Denticare and other schemes: So there are a lot of good things that need to happen in Australia but we need the money for them. And the Greens are prepared to do that just as we showed when we blocked the tax cut to big business last year we said ‘look, there is money to be had’. That was gratefully received by Treasury.

Don’t sack any public servants: I’m really worried that both the Prime Minister and Tony Abbott seemed to think that the surplus is more important than the jobs of people who are serving the public throughout the community. That is just not the case.

“Irregular maritime arrivals”: …Deterrence doesn’t work, Barrie.…deterrence doesn’t work, it has never worked. What we have to do is encourage people not to get on boats by promising them proper assessment and safe passage to Australia through appropriate assessment processes and an increased humanitarian intake. That’s what we need to be telling them.

David Brewer

6 Sep 12 at 4:58 am
Professor Stephan Lewandowsky’s ARC funded research, which allegedly showed that people who did not believe in Catastrophic Global Warming are conspiracy theorists who also doubt the moon landing, has been pulverised over recent days. Contributors to Bishop Hill has been leading the charge.

Unfortunately, they have also riled Steve McIntyre, a mild-mannered retired Canadian mining chap and maths/statistics whiz, who (with fellow Canuck, McKitrick) demolished the Hockey Stick. That is the much-reproduced image of temperatures showing a sharp rise just lately. They proved that if you entered last weekend’s football scores into the model, the result would be the same.

(As an aside, the Scots have donated some fine people to the Colonies!)

Anyway, Lewandowsky, who basks in the title of Professor at the University of Western Australia, has (a) claimed that his ‘survey’ proved that climate change sceptics were lurid conspiracy theorists – which the results didn’t support; (b) at best was disingenuous about how he collected his data; (c) presented so-called preliminary results while the opinion survey was still open – a huge no-no; (d) seems to have edited reporting the survey questions to eliminate results he didn’t like; (e) had different versions of the survey floating around at different times – and there is more.

As someone who has not only formally studied survey methodology, but done it for a living, this exercise rates not only an ‘F’, but possible exclusion for cheating.

As Gerard would say – Dr Lewandowsky – for he is a doctor – has many questions to answer. Your taxes at work.

johanna

6 Sep 12 at 5:22 am
I have over 8,000 twitter followers myself,

Good lord, that boggles the mind. I think I have about 38. But I suppose I am targeted towards the boutique aficionado of sarcasm and bile.

Abu Chowdah

6 Sep 12 at 5:23 am
I don’t let anyone follow me on twitter. I only have it to confirm for myself the idiocies of people who think they are clever

Entropy

6 Sep 12 at 6:37 am
Kae can vouch for my age and decrepitude. I was at least able to give her a kiss on the cheek in thanks the night she organised a get together of commenters at the Dolphin Hotel in Sydney, with the estimable, erudite and amusing Mr. Blair.

Blogstrop

6 Sep 12 at 6:38 am
johanna, thanks, i need someone like you to pull his stuff apart cause all i know is that there are lies, damned lies and statistics, much less statistical methodology.

MT Isa Miner

6 Sep 12 at 7:09 am
Sweet baby cheeses.
Anna Blight isn’t finished.

lotocoti

6 Sep 12 at 7:50 am
As someone who has not only formally studied survey methodology, but done it for a living, this exercise rates not only an ‘F’, but possible exclusion for cheating.

I’m in the same boat and was aghast at just how poorly it was structured before you even got to the skewed and misinterpreted results. The very day it was in first in the news I was working with some of our transition students, who have been set a challenging research assignment well ahead of their supposed capabilities which are not yet at first year undergraduate level. Without exception, each one had done a better job of framing their research question and methodology than Lewandowsky.

How bad are our academic institutions that appalling scholarship is not only applauded but encouraged.

Megan

6 Sep 12 at 7:51 am
this exercise rates [...] an ‘F’

But, but, but, it’s peer reviewed science. Everyone knows that peer reviewed science is infallible!

Dangph

6 Sep 12 at 7:55 am
Anna Blight isn’t finished.

Excellent. I hope NSW labor embrace her enthusiastically. A reminder of the profligate, dishonest liars party and how a state was driven into the ground. Her new tilt at NSW politics funded by her generous Qld government pension.

Keith

6 Sep 12 at 8:01 am
LOL:

Monica Lewinsky’s former rabbi at the Democratic National Convention.

Monica Lewinski’s former rabbi — who was highly critical of Bill Clinton after the scandal — is scheduled to deliver the benediction at the Democratic National Convention on Wednesday, shortly after the former president addresses the crowd.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 8:07 am
Megan, so glad to hear that this fifth rate exercise was recognised for what it is. How a Professor can get a grant for something that a first year student would be soundly bollocked for is a mystery.

It is also notable that, were it not for the blogosphere (principally Bishop Hill, based in the UK in this example) he almost certainly would have got away with it.

It’s just like the Gergis et al paper which was trumpeted all over the luvvie press here, and meant to be our contribution to the next IPCC report. Within days, it was shot down in flames on Steve McIntyre’s blog, (by Jean S. a formidible Quebecois number cruncher) and has yet to resurface.

Thankfully, it is getting harder for agenda driven academics to get away with rubbish that, as we know, would cause an undergraduate in a decent university to fail.

johanna

6 Sep 12 at 8:23 am
Talking of statistical crap :

Abstract:
This paper estimates the impact of climate change on the prevalence of criminal activity in the United States. The analysis is based on a 50-year panel of monthly crime and weather data for 2,972 U.S. counties. I identify the effect of weather on monthly crime by using a semi-parametric bin estimator and controlling for county-by-month and county-by-year fixed effects. The results show that temperature has a strong positive effect on criminal behavior, with little evidence of lagged impacts. Between 2010 and 2099, climate change will cause an additional 30,000 murders, 200,000 cases of rape, 1.4 million aggravated assaults, 2.2 million simple assaults, 400,000 robberies, 3.2 million burglaries, 3.0 million cases of larceny, and 1.3 million cases of vehicle theft in the United States.

This person is unhinged and should in an institution for their own safety.

So a forecast for 89 years indicating increasing crime, using the IPCC’s demonstrated unskilled climate forecasts. Gee what could go wrong?

Keith

6 Sep 12 at 8:23 am
VICTORIANS who experience or witness racist abuse or hate are being asked to dob in the perpetrators under a bold plan to wipe out the ugly behaviour.

The Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission has launched a campaign to target offensive acts that often go unreported, as a series of disturbing cases of racism are revealed.

I would love to hear how much time this Commission spends on cases where a person reports an aboriginal for calling them a “Gubba”.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 8:43 am
I wonder whether the University of Western Australia understands the reputational (“brand”) damage that has been inflicted on it by Professor Stephan Lewandowski – damage that can only be neutralised if he is found guilty in a formal inquiry of misconduct and dismissed.

Tom

6 Sep 12 at 8:44 am
Tom – in answer to your query, here is what I posted at Bishop Hill.

I can just imagine the meeting of the executive sub-committee of UWA.

“so, this feller Lewandowsky has done things which exposed the University to criticism?”

(Apparachik) “Sadly, it seems so, sir.”

“Well, what can we do about it?”

“Nothing, sir, he is a Tenured Professor”.

If only the Vice Chancellor had Jeeves available to advise.

johanna

6 Sep 12 at 9:05 am
I wonder whether the University of Western Australia understands the reputational (“brand”) damage that has been inflicted on it by Professor Stephan Lewandowski…

The Loon has been perpetrating statistical frauds and dishonesty for years, and UWA have done nothing. UWA also has a Statistics department in the faculty of Engineering and Mathematics, etc. Loon has also been publicly facilitated by the Drum, etc, yet not a word from UWA statisticians.
One look at the school of Engineering will tell you why. Many of their projects have to do with CO2 reductions and how to charge electric vehicles. They are sufficiently captured by agenda-driven government funding as to make any honest attempt at formally reviewing the Loon’s work impossible.

Keith

6 Sep 12 at 9:05 am
I wonder whether the University of Western Australia understands the reputational (“brand”) damage that has been inflicted on it by Professor Stephan Lewandowski…

The man is working to get Uni of WA put in the same class as East Anglia & Penn State.

i.e. beloved by the true believers yet with suspicion by the rest of humanity.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 9:09 am
M’eh, all research based on responses to on line survey is automatically suss.

However, Lewandowski’s conclusion that “that endorsement of a laissez-faire conception of free-market economics predicts rejection of climate science” is unremarkable and evidenced daily at Catallaxy.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 9:21 am
ShitFerBrains, everyone is born capable of learning, but you’re as dumb as dogshit entirely of your own volition. You’re despised at the Cat. No-one likes you. Yet you continue to come here to escape your pathetic existence of writing a blog with no audience about subjects on which your opinions are sought out and valued by no-one. More than anything, however, you are doggedly committed to the idea that there’s nothing that anyone here can teach you. You’re just a simple-minded troll swimming along the bottom of a pool of your own shit. Fuck off.

Tom

6 Sep 12 at 9:30 am
Slow day in the shed today, Tom?

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 9:31 am
More on the Brown Coal generator close-down backflip:

She vowed to push to bring forward a Productivity Commission review of billions of dollars of compensation for brown-coal generators.

Hang on, I thought ‘taxing people and paying the polluters’ is what Tony Abbott was going to do?

Senator Milne said that putting Mr Ferguson in charge of the process was like “giving the fox control of the hen house”.

Last night Mr Ferguson said Senator Milne’s comments were “childish” and that her “simplistic” attack on the government “reflects more on her and her lack of understanding of the energy market”.

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

Alinta Energy chief Jeff Dimery – who had been negotiating for the closure of the ageing Playford power station in South Australia – said industry was worried about the uncertainty over central planks of carbon policy.

You’ll just have to run it and make an honest profit instead, and leave the taxpayer dollars to the taxpayers, rent-seeker.

Alinta still wants government funds for a feasibility study for a small solar thermal project.

Get your filthy hands out of the till, mate. It’s not your money.

It was to be the biggest single measure to cut carbon emissions to 2020 and was to be funded from the taxpayer-funded contingency reserve after June 30, 2016, which kept the costs beyond the budget forecasts.

So now we get to the end game. There will be no reduction in emissions in Australia – none whatsoever – but we have outsourced tax collection policy to the EU.

FMD You couldn’t make this up.

And the change in global co2 from all this cash burning, investment destroying, publicly divisive policy manouvering? 0 ppm.

Golf clap, lefties, you’ve really outdone yourselves for idiocy this time.

brc

6 Sep 12 at 9:32 am
Apart from being evidenced at Catallaxy, Tom, I could also have mentioned the IPA, the Tea Party, and most libertarian inclined think tanks.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 9:35 am
@David : I also think there is a need for a dedicated thread on pulling apart the Christine Milne fantasy land policies.

Yes, it will become a piling-on of tearing the Greens a new one, but many of us find this therapeutic as we have to read and live with their brain-fart policy formulations.

brc

6 Sep 12 at 9:35 am
However, Lewandowski’s conclusion that “that endorsement of a laissez-faire conception of free-market economics predicts rejection of climate science” is unremarkable and evidenced daily at Catallaxy.

You mean that Lewandowski accidentally said something that was true? You consider that to be praiseworthy?

Dangph

6 Sep 12 at 9:36 am
Your ALPBC leading the news reporting a speech by their favourite Liberal Malcolm Turnbull attacking the waste and delay of the NBN as Shadow Minister for Communications ….bwahahaaa . Actually he was criticising the quality of political discourse [because it was not coming from him].

Godwin Gretch said he was unable to issue a press release as he is still not allowed to use the pencils, scissors or other sharp objects but said as Opposition Leader, Turnbull’s approach of agreeing with Labor policy had not been effective.

H B Bear

6 Sep 12 at 9:36 am
Explain yourself, Lewandowski.

Tom

6 Sep 12 at 9:37 am
Answer the f#cking question.

Sen Dick Durbin torn apart.

Rudiau

6 Sep 12 at 9:43 am
However, Lewandowski’s conclusion that “that endorsement of a laissez-faire conception of free-market economics predicts rejection of climate science” is unremarkable and evidenced daily at Catallaxy.

And there you have a perfect research question SFB. Go off and research it and when you have actual evidence to support your hypothesis, get it peer reviewed and published. Then, if indeed your theory is right, we can all believe it.

Because that’s what you demand of everyone else here and never demand of yourself. I can only assume that you have no understanding of what the word evidence actually means. Clue: it is not always something that supports your own intellectually limited point of view.

Megan

6 Sep 12 at 9:45 am
I knew the Lewandowski survey was a crock, but I didn’t realise just how bad it was.

He needs to be hauled in front of the university management for that one. If I were in charge, I’d be asking for a minimum 6 month leave (unpaid after entitlements ran out) plus an apology and withdrawal of the paper. And a suggestion that if he wants to indulge in partisan activities, to go and join a political party.

I thought these days that catastrophists were a bit more circumspect about releasing papers after one after the other get torn to shreds by some simple fact checking. But it would appear that there is no standard they won’t abandon when it comes to getting a headline for a couple of days.

brc

6 Sep 12 at 9:45 am
However, Lewandowski’s conclusion that “that endorsement of a laissez-faire conception of free-market economics predicts rejection of climate science” is unremarkable and evidenced daily at Catallaxy.

Yes, I suppose that explains me, John Humphreys, Greg Mankiw and Henry Ergas (who has never questioned the climate science, only the economics of mitigation),

jtfsoon

6 Sep 12 at 9:50 am
I uhmm, I uhmm…(guess I didn’t get the desired result)..I’ll do that one more time, (nope still not right), one more time, (oh f#ckit) motion accepted.
Ahh, the Lefts’ democracy at work.

Rudiau

6 Sep 12 at 9:59 am
However, Lewandowski’s conclusion that “that endorsement of a laissez-faire conception of free-market economics predicts rejection of climate science” is unremarkable and evidenced daily at Catallaxy.

Steve agrees with Tim Flannery that Gaia is a living creature who will soon come to life and save the planet.

We can conclude that free market denialists are more likely to believe in invisible ecology sky monsters.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 10:00 am
Lewandowski’s line which I edited was:

Paralleling previous work, we find that endorsement of a laissez-faire conception of free-market economics predicts rejection of climate science (r @ .80 between latent constructs).

I don’t understand the bit in brackets. I was guessing it meant it wasn’t a 100% correlation.

As for Ergas, I am suspicious. If it was up to me, he should be hauled before a government committee to explain his position on the science.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 10:03 am
The Sun King fails to manage expectations and much laughter results:

“You Didn’t Fill That!” — Obama won’t be speaking in the 74,000-seat stadium.

___________________

By contrast – Michelle Obama is pan handling via email:

I know your life is full — with work, or school, or family — and yet you still find the time to help out when you can.

You may have a tight budget, but you give what you can afford.

A woman recently told the campaign her family skipped a pizza dinner at their favorite place so that they could make a difference in this election.

Pathetic.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 10:06 am
“But, but, but, it’s peer reviewed science. Everyone knows that peer reviewed science is infallible!”

Has anyone ever said that?

Jarrah

6 Sep 12 at 10:06 am
I see that Lewandowski is a psychologist.

LOL.

So he has an arts degree.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 10:07 am
“But, but, but, it’s peer reviewed science. Everyone knows that peer reviewed science is infallible!”

Lol. What a mockery of academia and the academic process. What a fucking embarrassment.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:08 am
DRUDGE:

Disastrous embarrassment at the Dem convention…

Delegates Boo God.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 10:14 am
Political conventions are supposed unite a party, so by that standard this convention in NC really isn’t going well:

Democrats BOO & SCREAM As They Vote to Put God and Jerusalem Back Into Platform

Not only was the convention not willing to back a platform that would place the Democrats in line with middle America and their Jewish base, the convenor managed to inflame the situation by making sure he was being filmed by every media company in the US when did a dodgy by manipulation of the voting rules.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 10:14 am
Thoughts on Lewandowsky from a man who loves words.

Rudiau

6 Sep 12 at 10:15 am
I can only hope he gets crucified at the polls.

If he wants to wear a crown of thorns, I’ll bloody crucify him!

Wow. Sununu really fucking hates Obambi.

http://nation.foxnews.com/john-sununu/2012/09/04/sununu-obama-incompetent-not-incomplete

Abu – if I was on twitter, I’d follow you, with that rather unique sales pitch.

jarrah – it is often implied a lot.

.

6 Sep 12 at 10:15 am
However, Lewandowski’s conclusion that “that endorsement of a laissez-faire conception of free-market economics predicts rejection of climate science” is unremarkable …
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You mean, people who oppose unnecessary taxes oppose unnecessary taxes? Next, you’ll be saying that people who oppose government tinkering in energy markets, resulting in higher prices for no good reason, oppose that as well. Which just proves that they don’t believe in the moon landing. QED. Or, good enough for climate ‘science.’

Go away. I hear that Lewandowsky is about to sack his unfortunate research assistant, who will be blamed for ‘timing and communication failures’, so there could be a job opportunity there for you.

johanna

6 Sep 12 at 10:17 am
Well well well…

Look who drove the economic meltdown:

With landmark lawsuit, Barack Obama pushed banks to give subprime loans to Chicago’s African-Americans.

President Barack Obama was a pioneering contributor to the national subprime real estate bubble, and roughly half of the 186 African-American clients in his landmark 1995 mortgage discrimination lawsuit against Citibank have since gone bankrupt or received foreclosure notices.

As few as 19 of those 186 clients still own homes with clean credit ratings, following a decade in which Obama and other progressives pushed banks to provide mortgages to poor African Americans.

The startling failure rate among Obama’s private sector clients was discovered during The Daily Caller’s review of previously unpublished court information from the lawsuit that a young Obama worked on as an attorney for the lead plaintiff.

Since the mortgage bubble burst, some of his former clients are calling for a policy reversal.

“If you see some people don’t make enough money to afford the mortgage, why would you give them a loan?” asked Obama client John Buchanan. “There should be some type of regulation against giving people loans they can’t afford.”

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 10:18 am
So he has an arts degree.

yep.

B.A. Washington College, Chestertown, MD, U.S.A., 1980
M.A. University of Toronto, 1981
Ph.D. University of Toronto (Supervisor: Bennet Murdock), 1985

Lewandowski went to Washington college for his undergrad. According to Forbes college rankings, all you need to gain entry is show proof of life and front up with 40K per year. It’s ranked a miserable 146th!

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:21 am
“But, but, but, it’s peer reviewed science. Everyone knows that peer reviewed science is infallible!”

Has anyone ever said that?

Remember this people, Jarrah will ensure you maintain standards that Lewandowsky, Manne, Hansen and the legion of AGW cultists will not keep to.

Its Rule 4 from the Alinsky rules for radicals:

RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 10:23 am
“But, but, but, it’s peer reviewed science. Everyone knows that peer reviewed science is infallible!”

Has anyone ever said that?

It’s an exaggeration of course, but yes, warmists by and large have an undue faith in scientists and peer review.

Dangph

6 Sep 12 at 10:24 am
T.Blair

Not to alarm anybody, but Australian Security Intelligence Organisation director-general David Irvine says that his agency is currently dealing with about 200 active counter-terrorism investigations. These mainly involve the “perceived religious obligations” of ideologues and extremists.

Presbyterians, ya just can’t trust ‘em.

Rudiau

6 Sep 12 at 10:25 am
“There should be some type of regulation against giving people loans they can’t afford.”

Oh my God.

I’m sorry, but how dumb are these guys? Do they realise the law forces loans to bad credit risks, and it is ultimately insured by the taxpayer through the FHA PMI, and the financing flow happens through GSEs under the CRA?

Fuuuck!

.

6 Sep 12 at 10:26 am
Presbyterians, ya just can’t trust ‘em.

……and Methodists. See Fatty Von Roxon.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:27 am
This is really big.

The Dems railroaded the return of God and Jerusalem back into the platform but their own delegates clearly did not vote for it and booed when the change was made illegitimately buy the chair. There was was a loud chorus of nays.

Like all leftists the Dems hate God and Israel.

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 10:29 am
You know politics is politics and religion is religion. I don’t care either way about mentioning God at a political rally, which is what these conventions are.

But the Demolitionists are doing their level best to concentrate their much fewer states. That’s perfectly fine with me.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:34 am
oops…support..

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:34 am
Does this Gillard woman ever stop with the lies? Ever?

GINA Rinehart did NOT call for Australian wages to be cut to $2-a-day African levels. The Prime Minister’s suggestion that she did was pure, malicious – and you’d have to say, only too typical – Gillard verballing…

And her little side-kick Swan is no better.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 10:35 am
Lol…

Dems Ram ‘God’ and Jerusalem Back into Platform…
VIDEO…
Delegates at convention boo, hiss, jeer…
HALL DIVIDED…
Did the Vote Fail?
Jewish, Palestinian Leaders Fume…
President Scrambles: Campaign says Obama disagrees with his own policy…
Romney: ‘I think it’s a very sad day’…

And the Romster sinks the boot in.

What a fucking circus.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:37 am
All these attacks on Gina are clearly sexist and misogynist …

jtfsoon

6 Sep 12 at 10:38 am
Hilarious.

The chief meteorologist at a Charlotte television station is questioning the decision by Democrats to move President Obama’s acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention to a smaller venue because of the weather.

“Thursday night will likely be the best weather of the entire week,” Brad Panovich of WCNC-NBC TV wrote on Twitter in reference to when Obama’s speech was planned to take place at the outside Bank of America stadium, which can accommodate 70,000 people.

The Democratic National Committee on Wednesday announced that the weather is forcing them to relocate Obama’s speech to the Time Warner Cable Arena, which is inside and holds a far fewer 22,000 people.

In a series of tweets on Wednesday morning after the news broke, Panovich said there’s only a 20 to 30 percent chance of rain or storms and argued that “if you are going to move inside for this small risk you could have done that days ago.”

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 10:39 am
You know politics is politics and religion is religion. I don’t care either way about mentioning God at a political rally, which is what these conventions are.

It was the DNC that decided to make this an issue by first not including these items on the agenda, then adding at the last moment, and finally playing dodgy student politics on TV.

The gaffe by the DNC makes this news.

It is the reactions of the members of the convention & the cover up which makes this great TV.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 10:40 am
JamesK
See my two posts above.
Durbin refuses to answer the question on the omission of God.
and
The Dems wonderful version of democracy.

Rudiau

6 Sep 12 at 10:41 am
Let it not be said that Austalian politics are uninteresting

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/a-scream-and-a-thud-as-local-councillors-get-to-grips-at-restaurant-20120905-25evw.html

On Tuesday night, two candidates running for Holroyd council ended up in a tussle during which the grappling duo tumbled down the stairs of a Merrylands restaurant.

”The fat lard of something landed on top of me,” complained Gregg Ritchie of fellow councillor Eddy Sarkis. Both men are disendorsed Liberals who are running as independents in Saturday’s local elections.

jtfsoon

6 Sep 12 at 10:42 am
The blow back forced the amendments today, Rudiau.

Anderson Cooper Says Wasserman Schultz In ‘Alternate Universe’ About DNC Platform Change

Reacting to interview, Cooper repeated that Wasserman Schultz said there wasn’t a change of language, there wasn’t any discord, and it was a two-thirds vote. “I mean, that’s an alternate universe,” he said to the panel.

This the same person, Cooper said, who recently attacked Mitt Romney‘s campaign and said “it is the candidate who sets the platform, who designs and writes the platform. It wasn’t true when she was saying it two weeks ago — but now isn’t it fair if she claimed that about the Republican platform to claim that about the Democratic platform?”

Cooper further argued, “From a reality standpoint, you can defend it, as the head of the DNC, but to say flat out there was no discord is just not true.”

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 10:44 am
It was the DNC that decided to make this an issue by first not including these items on the agenda, then adding at the last moment, and finally playing dodgy student politics on TV.

The gaffe by the DNC makes this news.

It is the reactions of the members of the convention & the cover up which makes this great TV.

Yea i know. What’s so funny is that the convention chairman lied when he said the motion was carried by 2/3rds of the convention. It’s not true. In fact the no was a tiny bit louder. Lying is just par for the course for these asshats.

What’s great is that it gets in TV and people see what they’re like… lying all the way.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:47 am
Well, silly old Gina for leaving this line of rhetorical attack open.

If she thinks wages here are too high, though, it would be helpful if she would explain to what level she thinks they should fall.

By the way, Labor is equally happy to attack Clive Palmer as a rich (and by happy co-incidence if you’re mounting an attack on “fat cats”) overweight miner. Not much credible misogyny to be found in the attack on Gina.

Quite laughable to suggest (if this was Jason’s intent) that there has been no misogyny in the Pickering campaign on Gillard.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 10:49 am
Both men are disendorsed Liberals who are running as independents in Saturday’s local elections.

Independents? Lol. Yea right, like the old Lezzo and Oakeshitt.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:50 am
The Obama Administration cut back military drills with Israel recently but will hold drills with the Muslim Brotherhood led Egyptian government in Egypt.

They really do hate Israel.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 10:51 am
If she thinks wages here are too high, though, it would be helpful if she would explain to what level she thinks they should fall.

1. Reduce on costs and occupational licensing, it stops her employing more people.

2. Whatever level the market dictates.

.

6 Sep 12 at 10:52 am
If she thinks wages here are too high, though, it would be helpful if she would explain to what level she thinks they should fall.

Fuckface, she never mentioned Australian wages. What she was alluding to was costs. In fact she was alluding to the point that if you want to maintain high wages you need to consider other costs as well as there are lots of competitors out there.

Now please return to your own blog… Oh no you can’t as no one reads it.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:52 am
The Paralympics strikes me as a PC wankfest, but this is freaking amazing.

Infidel Tiger

6 Sep 12 at 10:53 am
Keiler noted that the supposed “technical oversight” opened the Democrats to criticism from Republicans, but Wasserman Schultz pointed to the president’s record and relationship with Israel as proof positive of Democrats’ strong support of Israel.

LoL

‘Sparks fly’ over US policy on Iran at meeting between Netanyahu and US envoy

Rudiau

6 Sep 12 at 10:54 am
Quite laughable to suggest (if this was Jason’s intent) that there has been no in the Pickering campaign on Gillard.

misogyny

Stepford is reciting feminist theory he was taught at the rural TAFE where he gained a Dip Arts.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:55 am
By the way, Labor is equally happy to attack Clive Palmer as a rich (and by happy co-incidence if you’re mounting an attack on “fat cats”) overweight miner. Not much credible misogyny to be found in the attack on Gina.

Left wing SoB shows his history in the “Whatever it Takes” section of the Labor Party.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 10:55 am
The Paralympics strikes me as a PC wankfest,

You mean the one arm guy beat the legless dude in the 100 freestyle swimming. Is that it?

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:57 am
Stepford is reciting feminist theory he was taught at the rural TAFE where he gained a Dip Arts.

Shitfer flunked home economics, so his wife started him a blog.

Infidel Tiger

6 Sep 12 at 10:58 am
Seeing the US media has decided once again that the speakers at the DNC don’t need to be fact-checked, it has left another gap for Breitbart.

NPR gave Mrs. Obama a clean bill of health: “As for first lady Michelle Obama’s address to the convention, the fact checkers don’t seem to have any faults to find.”

That is because they weren’t looking. The basic premise of Mrs. Obama’s speech–that she and her husband had struggled economically like so many other Americans–is false. Not only did they enjoy many advantages that others do not, but CNS News reports that Barack Obama inherited half a million dollars in stock from his grandmother, a bank vice president who Michelle misleadingly cited as a victim of gender discrimination.

These fibs are not new for the Obama camp. The UK Daily Mail reported during the 2008 campaign that Michelle Obama has benefited from vast exaggerations of her “working-class origins,” substituting a humble single-room residence for what was in fact a middle-class home, and obscuring the fact that her family shared in the spoils from the Democratic Party’s regime of (segregated) patronage in Richard Daley’s Chicago.

Here is some more facts Michelle Obama twisted.

First Lady Michelle Obama’s pitch to voters last night relied on the premise that she and her husband understand what it is to struggle to make ends meet. She spoke movingly about their early years–about how a young Barack Obama drove a car that was “rusted out” and found his furniture “in a dumpster,” how they both came from families that had to “scrape by.” Her fairy tale–however well-delivered–was one great, big, colorful lie.

Both Michelle Robinson and Barack Obama began their adult lives with a leg up on the rest of America. They attended elite schools: Michelle went to Whitney Young, the public magnet school for Chicago’s upper class, while Barack attended Punahou, the private prep school for the top stratum of Hawaiian society. They were accepted to Ivy League schools despite undistinguished credentials, and both attended Harvard Law School.

“[B]elieve it or not, when we were first married, our combined monthly student loan bills were actually higher than our mortgage,” Michelle said. That sounds like a raw deal–but in fact reflects their fortunate circumstances. They had both just graduated from a very expensive law school, and their combined income from cushy law firm jobs dwarfed the repayments. Barack also soon enjoyed a second salary from the University of Chicago.

They had expensive tastes, reflected in the $277,500 two-bedroom condo they bought in 1993–a high price even by today’s standards. Several years later, they moved into their $1.65 million mansion in Hyde Park–with the help of fraudster Tony Rezko. Barack often told a story of hardship on the campaign trail in 2008 about having his credit card declined–once. The fact that he thought this counted as real hardship speaks volumes.

Whoops…

Token

6 Sep 12 at 11:08 am
Speaking of sexist misogynistic nutjobs…

“The only Australian not getting sick and tired of this almost-daily pearl-rattling from Gina Rinehart is her loyal servant Tony Abbott,” he said.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 11:12 am
“almost-daily pearl-rattling“

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 11:14 am
By the way, Labor is equally happy to attack Clive Palmer as a rich (and by happy co-incidence if you’re mounting an attack on “fat cats”) overweight miner. Not much credible misogyny to be found in the attack on Gina.

In the same way that Pickering also attacked Wilson and Blewitt as corrupt dishonest scumbags. Not much misogyny then. All good.

Keith

6 Sep 12 at 11:47 am
Having read JC’s link, I agree. I think that Mark Woodford paper is dynamite stuff.

The NGDP rule is Monetarism Mark II and a whole lot more relevant than the goldbug crap the Austrians produce. This is a practical, pragmatic proposal that could provide the right formula approach to macroeconomic policy that was Milton Friedman’s aim. A lot of libertarians pay lip service to Friedman and ignore what he actually thought about macro. Woodford is rightfully Friedman’s successor on this

jtfsoon

6 Sep 12 at 11:47 am
I’m not a big fan of the Haka – not of its special protected status in sports, anyway – and I’m not sure of its appropriateness in Christian funeral rites.

But this is impressive:

Powerful Video… Royal New Zealand Infantry Reg Say Farewell to Fallen With a Haka.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 11:48 am
“Quite laughable to suggest (if this was Jason’s intent) that there has been no misogyny in the Pickering campaign on Gillard.”

i honestly think Steve that if it were a male PM, Pickering would have been no holds barred but people pad gently around her because she’s female,
though for sure the bit about pregnancy etc was very poor form and most ignored it anyway as not relevant, quite poor form really of him.

candy

6 Sep 12 at 11:50 am
Jason,

Can’t I be both, but patiently waiting for want Hayek really wanted?

NGDP to me merely sets out to recreate what private banking would do if policy is (implicit or not) a zero % inflation target.

.

6 Sep 12 at 11:53 am
Hello,
Here is a comparison of prices between Queensland and NSW.

Queensland with Origin Energy
The standard rate per KW is 25.3781Cents.
The supply charge is 26.17Cents daily.
NSW with Origin Energy
The standard rate per Kw is 34.41Cents.
The supply charge is 138.02Cents daily.
My supplier tells me that it is all due to state charges.
Queensland capped the profits that the state could glean from electricity prices.
Barry O’Farrell promised to cap prices in his election platform last election

alan

6 Sep 12 at 11:54 am
I’m surprised the aggressive display that is the Haka is allowed to be performed anywhere these days given the PC Nazi mob rules.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 11:55 am
Fme. The mysandrous nutjobs.
Abbott Abbott Abbott Balanced?

Rudiau

6 Sep 12 at 11:56 am
On Tuesday night, two candidates running for Holroyd council ended up in a tussle during which the grappling duo tumbled down…

If only it involved bikinis, Kate Ellis and Julie Bishop.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 11:57 am
“Seeing the US media has decided once again that the speakers at the DNC don’t need to be fact-checked”

Oh, so now it’s OK to check the facts?

Besides, it’s not true – see here.

Jarrah

6 Sep 12 at 12:04 pm
That can’t be right alan, we all know the price difference is all due to the carbon tax.

SteveC

6 Sep 12 at 12:18 pm
For Elizabeth Warren lovers … Clinton to follow

Nanuestalker

6 Sep 12 at 12:18 pm
The Paralympics strikes me as a PC wankfest

Au contraire, IMHO:
If you ask me, all gov’t funding for the Olympic Games (and to all competitive sports) should be totally scrapped.

Sports is just entertainment for the able-bodied.
For the disabled – it is an essential part of their rehabilitation and fitting in with the rest of society.

roger

6 Sep 12 at 12:18 pm
Yeah right Jarrah … Dems have dubious claims and Reps have false claims. Go have some private time with your 2008 Hope & Change poster.

Nanuestalker

6 Sep 12 at 12:23 pm
I always thought talk of an early election was a bit crazy. Who would be crazy enough to call an election when you are 10 points behind in the polls? Antony Green has an interesting discussion at his blog on the problems that an early election would present the coalition, even though they would almost certainly win by a large margin.

SteveC

6 Sep 12 at 12:25 pm
All is right with the world again.

FRENCH shoemaker Christian Louboutin can trademark his famous red soles, a US court ruled Wednesday, reversing a ruling that allowed rival Yves Saint Laurent to mark its own outsoles in scarlet.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 12:30 pm
Clinton…

Nanuestalker

6 Sep 12 at 12:33 pm
That’s intellectual property rights running amok, Gab. FFS, he now owns the color red?

JC

6 Sep 12 at 12:35 pm
Oh Lord, I just bet Clinton would really hate doing this.

You know, I believe Dick Morris. Bill is voting for Romney this year.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 12:38 pm
.Apart from style and quality as the standout, the trademark is the red sole, ’twas ever thus.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 12:38 pm
Besides, it’s not true – see here.

As usual, Jarrah parses a statement and misleads by spinning it.

Where in the NPR page or any of the linked pages – FactCheck.org, WP Fact Check or PolitFact were the errors in speech of Michelle Obama checked?

No-where.

Alinsky # 4 once again.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 12:39 pm
UK toilet watch:

Couple in isolated cottage attacked by gang of four men (all subsequently charged with burglary) in early hours, man shoots at them – wounding one.

Couple in cottage arrested.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 12:39 pm
So the Dem convention is going well.

Stadium couldn’t be filled, sand Obama fell over, all about abortion and death, manslaughterer Ted Kennedy lionised (video introduced by son of another Kennedy who paralysed his brother’s girlfriend for life), God booed, Monica Lewinski’s rabbi there (after Clinton), Michelle Obama caught lying, Geronimo’s great great grandson wants a word with Elizabeth Warren…

What a fucking circus.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 12:45 pm
Clinton’s dog-whistle … Vote Romney!

Nanuestalker

6 Sep 12 at 12:48 pm
There is simply no way they should have been arrested.

.

6 Sep 12 at 12:48 pm
What a fucking circus.

Bill’s now talking about how he used to get on with Republicans of his time?

FFS, all he ever talked about was how obstructionist they were.

Who’s he kidding?

JC

6 Sep 12 at 12:50 pm
The photo evokes the old Democrat south…

Black Romney Supporter Kicked Out of MSNBC Pavilion.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 12:51 pm
Julia Gillard pulls out of Christian Lobby address.

“I was not comparing homosexuality with smoking at all,” Mr Wallace said in a statement.

“What I was saying is that on one hand we are vocal on our discouragement of people to smoke and on the other we are suppressing public dialogue about the health risks associated with homosexuality.

“Instead of more free speech-suppressing vitriol and demonisation from the gay activists, there needs to be an open and honest debate before Parliament changes the definition of marriage.”

True.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 12:59 pm
When I walked out the door this morning Nine’s Girlz on the Grill were oooing and aaahing over Michelle’s speech and how much more ‘real’ she was than Anne. Their sycophancy is just incredible.

dover_beach

6 Sep 12 at 1:00 pm
Julia Gillard pulls out of Christian Lobby address.

Gillard broke a direct promise to Wallace and the Christian Lobby made before the 2010 election.

See what she did to Rinehart and you’ll see she was looking for a chance “Slush Fund” them like she did to the Australian as she is too much of coward to front the people she lied to.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 1:07 pm
It seems CL is miffed that the Democrats are not following Ann Romney’s promise of no American child to grow up without a pony.

(Or did I dream that?)

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 1:08 pm
…and how much more ‘real’ she was than Anne.

After all, a woman who got a leg up all her life due to her skin colour and lies about being poor is more “real” that a woman who raised 5 kids, has MS and beat breast cancer.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 1:10 pm
Ms Gillard can’t really talk about supporting the institution of marriage at the ACL address anyway, given her affairs with married men.

candy

6 Sep 12 at 1:10 pm
The Dems are like liar-steve™.

They are Christians in eggsactly the same way liar is a conservative Catholic

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 1:25 pm
Token, it defies belief.

dover_beach

6 Sep 12 at 1:26 pm
Hey CL

WTF?

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/05/catholic-nun-brings-her-star-power-to-dnc/

Can you have her excommunicated please?

JC

6 Sep 12 at 1:30 pm
Hey, Token, the Breitbart article on the Obamas didn’t make clear when Barak inherited shares from his grandmother – you had to follow their link to find it was 2009. A bit irrelevant as to the question of whether Michelle or Barak were not well off 30 years ago.

As for Michelle’s background, the link Breitbart supplies but selectively quotes from contains this:

The Robinsons grew up on the upper floor of a house built in the Twenties…

No one could pretend they were rich and it is true that her father, Frasier Robinson, spent some time as a maintenance worker for Chicago’s Department of Water Management.

However, he was a good deal more than the labourer that many seem to imagine.

Indeed, according to family friends, Michelle’s father was a volunteer organiser for the city’s Democratic Party, a by-word for machine politics in America, and his loyalty was rewarded with a well-paid engineering job at Chicago’s water plant. Even before overtime, he earned $42,686 – 25 per cent more than High School teachers at the time.

Michelle’s mother stayed at home and devoted her energies to her and her older brother Craig. Marian Robinson nurtured great ambitions for both her children, along with the traditional values which are now serving Michelle so well.

Television was all but banned in favour of homework, debates about the issues of the day and improving games of chess.

Bright and determined, Michelle was awarded a place at one of Chicago’s first ‘magnet’ schools, which offered special programmes for gifted children. By the time she was 13, she was taking a college-level biology course.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-517824/Mrs-O-The-truth-Michelle-Obamas-working-class-credentials.html#ixzz25ekNLp2p

Wooo. She came from a single income family on forty something thousand a year, and was a very bright student.

What a terrible lie she has been living. [/sarc]

No one should accept anything that appears at Breitbart at face value.

S

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 1:31 pm
Nun labels paying off debt as immoral.

What a crock of shit.

This is the same as the Australian left wheeling out Fr Bob to decry monetarism and NGDP targeting.

.

6 Sep 12 at 1:37 pm
Catholic nun brings her star power to DNC

…Whoopi was busy

Nanuestalker

6 Sep 12 at 1:43 pm
Nun labels paying off debt as immoral.

Wouldnt not paying off the debt be immoral? Knowing that if it is not paid off, that at some point, they will runout of money, leaving those dependent upon the state with far less assistance.

The other thing, the huge debts means billions of dollars a year diverted from spending on services to debt servicing. That truly is immoral. The borrowing to maintain services in one year means that services will need to be foregone in future years until the debt is gone. Truly immoral.

BTW, I watched Clinton. I like him. He was very good, a terrific speaker, but it doesnt make me want to vote for Obama, I want to vote for Bill.

dianeh

6 Sep 12 at 1:45 pm
Fixed for you Stepford:

No One should accept anything that appears at Breitbart at face value.

and

No one should accept anything that ~~appears at Breitbart~~ is posted by Stepford at face value.

When I follow the link, the info is the Daily Mail article quoted by Breitbart:

Instead of the one-room tenement that now appears in most accounts of her upbringing, we found a well-kept neighbourhood of red-brick Arts and Craft-style houses which have long been home to respectable black families.

Hardly humble: Michelle’s childhood home in Chicago
“Michelle was from a middle-class family,” confirmed one of her long-time friends, Angela Acree.

“She came from a regular family. They had a nice home. It wasn’t a mansion, but it was just fine. It was a decent neighbourhood.”

Why can’t she admit she is middle class?

Indeed, according to family friends, Michelle’s father was a volunteer organiser for the city’s Democratic Party, a by-word for machine politics in America, and his loyalty was rewarded with a well-paid engineering job at Chicago’s water plant. Even before overtime, he earned $42,686 – 25 per cent more than High School teachers at the time.

Good on her father. She should be proud of his income and stop lying about being poor.

Now where is the evidence of the rusted old car she & Obama had while pulling in hundreds of ks per year?

Token

6 Sep 12 at 1:45 pm
First Lady Michelle Obama said at a fundraiser in Providence, Rhode Island, on Friday night that a bank where Barack Obama’s grandmother had worked discriminated against her for nearly two decades “because she was a woman.”

However, the Washington Post reported earlier this year that Obama’s grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, had been the first female vice president of the Bank of Hawaii.

Wow. That’s some kind of discrimination.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 1:49 pm
Speaking of horses…

1.

2.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 1:49 pm
BTW, I watched Clinton. I like him. He was very good, a terrific speaker, but it doesnt make me want to vote for Obama, I want to vote for Bill.

I wonder if the Kenyan’s campaign thought about that.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 1:49 pm
Fixed for you Stepford

Don’t tell me Michelle and Barack tell porkies just like our liar-steve™?

Say it ain’t so.

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 1:51 pm
I wonder if the Kenyan’s campaign thought about that.

Don’t worry JC.

The Kenyan hugged Bill for the front page of tomorrow’s NYT and he put God and Jerusalem back on the Dem platform and fuck democracy

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 1:53 pm
Clinton was one of the worst ever presidents.

The only good things he did were done pursuant to the cattle prod of Newt Gingrich.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 1:54 pm
I could actually see the pavement going by through a hole in the passenger side door

I don’t know for sure, but I’m almost positive its called a window.

Nanuestalker

6 Sep 12 at 1:56 pm
Jennifer Rubin in WaPo on the Democrats’ disastrous convention:

Horror show: Wednesday night at the DNC.

Wednesday was a wonderful political day for Republicans. Let’s recap. The day started off with the flap over platform language. That in turn led to the spectacle of Democratic delegates booing the vote to put back Jerusalem and God back into the platform. It was even in the eyes of the most Obama-sympathetic media a horrid disruption, signaling both incompetence and hostility to things that many if not most Americans hold dear. The news got worse as Politico reported that the president had signed off on the platform sans God and Jerusalem. The Romney camp could hardly believe the avalanche of atrocious press. (Democratic National Committee chairwoman Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s insistence that there had been no controversy brought CNN’s Anderson Cooper to declare she was operating in an “alternate universe.”)

It was a remarkable, actual newsmaking episode, something we rarely get at conventions. Moreover, it was the worst blunder in a scripted TV event in recent memory.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 1:57 pm
Clinton was one of the worst ever presidents.

The only good things he did were done pursuant to the cattle prod of Newt Gingrich.

And he knew how to moisten a stogie.

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 1:57 pm
Um, Token, have you Google up a photo of the home yet?

Quite a few sites indicate this is it.

And the Daily Mail article says it was the upper level.

Luxury!

I can’t find a photo of the Ann Romney childhood home. Maybe they haven’t got a camera lens wide enough to fit it in?

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 1:57 pm
Rubin also says Sandra Fluke bombed:

Until the appearance of Bill Clinton, the parade of speakers were cartoonishly angry figures, mouthing the “Bain is evil” and pro-abortion platitudes. It managed to be both dull and over-the-top, and moreover lacking any appreciation for how bad is the economy, the number one concern of voters, really is. Had a Republican convention ignored the economic and human misery like this the media surely would have decried the “insensitivity” and “cluelessness.”

None of this was aimed at undecided voters, and the message was so tired and worn you have too wonder if it really connected with base voters. If Michelle Obama was inclusive and positive,; these folks were negative, accusatory and predictable.

Then came Sandra Fluke. If you think women are victims and have a right to free birth control, you were enraptured. But aside from that sliver of already devoted Obama supporters did this help the Democrats? It is very hard to see how.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 1:59 pm
While Stanley Dunham [Obama’s grandfather] drifted between sales jobs, Ann’s mother, Madelyn, ultimately rose to prominence as one of the first women to be vice president at the Bank of Hawaii. It was Madelyn who supported the family and paid for her grandchildren’s private schooling as her daughter struggled to support herself abroad.”

Poor Obama. Forced to go to a private school by his grandmother, the first female VP of The Bank of Hawaii. Bamby really knew tough times.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 2:01 pm
Yesterday Steve was vigorously and manically defending the man who lived here.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 2:01 pm
Drudge lead me to a released from the latest inside the Whitehouse book by Bob Woodward and gees Louise, this is the last thing the DNC wants released during their convention.

An explosive mix of dysfunction, miscommunication, and misunderstandings inside and outside the White House led to the collapse of a historic spending and debt deal that President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner were on the verge of reaching last summer, according to revelations in author Bob Woodward’s latest book.

The book, “The Price of Politics,” on sale Sept. 11, 2012, shows how close the president and the House speaker were to defying Washington odds and establishing a spending framework that included both new revenues and major changes to long-sacred entitlement programs.

But at a critical juncture, with an agreement tantalizingly close, Obama pressed Boehner for additional taxes as part of a final deal — a miscalculation, in retrospect, given how far the House speaker felt he’d already gone.

He is as much a Masher Negoshehater as the Red Yabbi:

With the president taking charge, though, Obama found that he had little history with members of Congress to draw on. His administration’s early decision to forego bipartisanship for the sake of speed around the stimulus bill was encapsulated by his then-chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel: “We have the votes. F— ‘em,” he’s quoted in the book as saying.

Obama’s relationship with Democrats wasn’t always much better. Woodward recounts an episode early in his presidency when then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid were hammering out final details of the stimulus bill.

Obama phoned in to deliver a “high-minded message,” he writes. Obama went on so long that Pelosi “reached over and pressed the mute button on her phone,” so they could continue to work without the president hearing that they weren’t paying attention.

Looks like when Obama leaves Washington he will find no-body takes his calls.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 2:04 pm
Obama went on so long that Pelosi “reached over and pressed the mute button on her phone,” so they could continue to work without the president hearing that they weren’t paying attention.

That’s just humiliating.

Wow.

LOL.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 2:06 pm
1 in 20 to work in aged care!

http://www.news.com.au/business/worklife/universities-and-aged-care-facilities-to-transform-into-practical-learning-centres/story-e6frfm9r-1226464286080

I guess our society should have never abondoned the recommendation ” go forth and multiply “

Max

6 Sep 12 at 2:07 pm
I can’t find a photo of the Ann Romney childhood home. Maybe they haven’t got a camera lens wide enough to fit it in?

I’m sure as the truth is valuable to her, if Anne Romney had a Middle Class upbringing, she would say so.

Let’s face it Stepford, you really like people who lie as badly as you do – Michelle Obama, the Red Yabbi, Ted Kennedy, the Greens.

Birds of a feather, eh?

Token

6 Sep 12 at 2:07 pm
Definition of ghetto.

Michelle Obama’s definition of ghetto.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 2:08 pm
as the Red Yabbi

LOL. First time Ive heard that.

dianeh

6 Sep 12 at 2:09 pm
Clinton was one of the worst ever presidents.

The only good things he did were done pursuant to the cattle prod of Newt Gingrich.

I tend to agree, Bill’s (I like the man, I always thought he would be good value at a party) good work was done after Gingrich got control of the house. But I will give him credit for more brains than Obama. Bill knew he couldnt get anything done without compromise, so he did it. Obama doesnt compromise and so does nothing, not even a budget. Bill adapted to the conditions of his presidency. Obama cannot do that, he is hostage to his (or possibly Michelle’s ) ideology.

dianeh

6 Sep 12 at 2:14 pm
Anne Romney’s school, according to wikipedia. Looks pretty run down, eh?

SteveC

6 Sep 12 at 2:16 pm
Forget about judging the worthiness of a man to be POTUS by how poor their wives pretend to be.

You may as well compare who has the saddest story about their dog being run over by the neighbours.

This shit is entertaining. How do people come up with this whacky crap?

http://freddyo.com/beyonce-is-not-innocent-friend-tells-all-no-baby-beyonce-is-bisexual-truth-behind-rihanna-fight/news/

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6 Sep 12 at 2:18 pm
This Woodward book reinforces statements by Orszag in Confidence Men. This is about 2009.

Peter Orszag relays this eviscerating quote that Summers said to him about Obama during the worst of the economic distress. According to Orszag, Summers says, “You know, Peter we’re really home alone. There’s no adult in charge. Clinton would never have made these mistakes.” Later, Orszag says to Suskind, “Larry just didn’t think the president knew what he was deciding. Was this [obstruction of the president's wishes] outright and willful?” In other words, asks Orszag, was Summers saying, “I know more than the president flat-out? That strikes me as … likely.”

This time it is Boehner from 2011 who was trying to cut a deal who makes the same explosive point.

Boehner was equally harsh in his judgment of the flaws inside the White House.

“The president was trying to get there. But there was nobody steering the ship underneath him,” Boehner told Woodward. “They never had their act together. The president, I think, was ill-served by his team. Nobody in charge, no process. I just don’t know how the place works. To this day, I can’t tell you how the place works. There’s no process for making a decision in this White House. There’s nobody in charge.”

Guys, this is the leader of the worlds biggest economy who controls their nuclear arsenal. Are you as concerned as I am?

Token

6 Sep 12 at 2:18 pm
if Anne Romney had a Middle Class upbringing, she would say so.

I take it you haven’t checked on her family background yet.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 2:19 pm
I wonder what the world’s theocracies will do when they finally realise Obummer really is gonna lose?

They won’t have much time left.

Jamesk

6 Sep 12 at 2:22 pm
this is the leader of the worlds biggest economy who controls their nuclear arsenal. Are you as concerned as I am?

If I was Netanyahu I’d be very concerned.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 2:22 pm
Clinton had the budget in surplus before Bush spent it all and more on imperial wars.

Bush fought the exact same wars Clinton fought in the Middle East. Against al Qaida, and against Saddam Hussein.

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6 Sep 12 at 2:23 pm
Dodgy Steve backs up Liar Steve.

Anne Romney’s school, according to wikipedia. Looks pretty run down, eh?

When did Anne Romney say she lived in a ghetto? She has not repeatly lied about her upbringing and her life wil Mitt being poor like Michelle Obama is on the record doing.

Nice attempt to try and switch the topic. We are used to Lefties who try and use envy and hate to distract from their lies.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 2:24 pm
Clinton had the budget in surplus before Bush spent it all and more on imperial wars.

Wow.

Even for some one as mind-numbingly stupid as Julius that is bizarre.

Who’s the US’ Gov General in the US Territory of Iraq, Julius?

How big is the US naval base in Iraq, Julius?

How large are the US garrison number stationed in Iraq, Julius?

Jamesk

6 Sep 12 at 2:28 pm
How about fucking right off Junius?

JC

6 Sep 12 at 2:30 pm
And after the election Romney is more likely to spend another fortune trying to destroy Iran, although I wouldn’t bet against Obama doing the same.

The smart money would be on him doing nothing just as he’s consistently done Julius-the-dense.

Unfortunately no bookies will take the bet as Obummer is going down in November and more and more people are realising it.

Jamesk

6 Sep 12 at 2:31 pm
JamesK, your optimism might be misplaced

SteveC

6 Sep 12 at 2:31 pm
Token, who said: “I’m sure as the truth is valuable to her, if Anne Romney had a Middle Class upbringing, she would say so.” ?

SteveC

6 Sep 12 at 2:33 pm
JamesK, your optimism might be misplaced

if that link is to a bookie price on Obummer to win in November, I wouldn’t take it Steve.

There’s little serious money yet.

If you’re gonna have a fluter on your hero have it against me.

I’ll bet you $500 that Romney wins in November.

How about it?

Jamesk

6 Sep 12 at 2:36 pm
I want to vote for Bill.

Yeah, maybe he’ll offer free cigars to the ladies…

… and a dry cleaning voucher.

Septimus

6 Sep 12 at 2:36 pm
I have an interesting (at least to me) observation after having spent 9 hours on the road in the US today driving through 3 States and many different socio-economic areas. Being bored to tears through most of it I began counting election bumper stickers.

Final tally:
- Ron Paul (1)
- Romney/Ryan (38)
- Obama (0)

Yes, that’s a zero, nil, nada, zip for Obama. Not even old ones from 2008 they were too lazy to scrape off.

Zatara

6 Sep 12 at 2:40 pm
JamesK, your optimism might be misplaced

Okay, lets take that electoral map.

Adding safe- likely and leans for each we end up with

247 for the Kenyan and 196 for Romster.

Toss ups 96.

I can’t see one of those states going for the Kenyan, which would put the Romster on 300 electoral votes.

I’d also remove Minnesota and give it to Romney which would him just under 320 votes.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 2:45 pm
Yes, that’s a zero, nil, nada, zip for Obama.

I find that difficult to believe, Zatara, when there are plenty of perfectly good Obama bumper sticks to be displayed.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 2:46 pm
“Where in the NPR page or any of the linked pages – FactCheck.org, WP Fact Check or PolitFact were the errors in speech of Michelle Obama checked?”

As usual, Token gets shown up for being a liar, then tries to change his story and hope no-one notices. First he says “speakers at the DNC”, then wants to suggest he only meant Michelle Obama. All this after earlier whining that being held to account for one’s statements is gosh-darned unfair.

Jarrah

6 Sep 12 at 2:46 pm
All those delegates in favour, say: ‘aye’

All those delegates opposed say: ‘d’oh!’

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 2:48 pm
The man sacked as PM for incompetence in his first term dreams about having CanDo’s parliamentary majority:

After a short walk about during which he was greeted by about a dozen members of the public, Mr Rudd launched into a fiery tirade against the Premier accusing him of “sending a wrecking ball through the Queensland economy”.

“My general view is state governments should be allowed to get on and do what they’re doing, they’ve been elected for a specific purpose. But what this government has done is take such a broad axe to the delivery of basic services to the Queensland community and to basic job security, that we have to speak out,” Mr Rudd said.

… “If Mr Newman doesn’t change course…the Coalition will move to remove him as Premier.”

Suffer in your jocks, CanDo! Meanwhile, Newman discovers Bligh had a Queensland Air Force chewing up millions per year.

Tom

6 Sep 12 at 2:49 pm
Steve Sailer seems to really enjoy dissing Obama

http://isteve.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/obama-v-jesse-jackson-at-reading-green.html

Much of the palpable disappointment with Obama among youngish voters who got so excited about him in 2008 is that for their whole lives they’d been informed that black guys are cool. So what could be cooler than electing President Will Smith? But then President Obama turned out to be, the more you got to know him, nowhere near as cool as he thinks he is.

We could have guessed that long ago from the way Michelle treats him. According to Jodi Kantor’s book The Obamas, Michelle still very much believes in Barack as “transformational” for the rest of us. But, her body language always suggested that she never really got Obamania, and in fact resented the hoopla over her husband, who, if you know him the way Michelle knows him, isn’t all that.

Kantor discovered that Michelle’s initial reaction to his election was to demand a separation — he could go bach it in the White House while she and the girls stayed in Chicago through the rest of the 2008-2009 schoolyear. Eventually, aides talked her out of what would have been a PR cataclysm, and her mood has improved as her husband’s poll ratings came down from the stratosphere.

jtfsoon

6 Sep 12 at 2:50 pm
Clinton, the man with the golden tongue

http://isteve.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/business-is-booming-for-clinton.html

In 11 years as a private citizen, Clinton has delivered 471 paid speeches and earned an average of $189,000 per event.

Former President Bill Clinton commanded the largest speaking fees of his career in 2011, earning $13.4 million and exceeding his previous record by 25%.

jtfsoon

6 Sep 12 at 2:52 pm
In 11 years as a private citizen, Clinton has delivered 471 paid speeches and earned an average of $189,000 per event.

I know of one he gave back in June to a private audience (corporate) in NYC where he and George Bush doubled up.

The secret service let it be known that there was a kill zone between the two and the audience. Anyone that breached uninvited that space, which i presume was between the podium and the front seats could expect a several bullets.

It’s actually quite shocking they take these former presidents so seriously.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 2:58 pm
.

The entire Demolitionist delegation went off teleprompter.

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JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 3:00 pm
JC, you could be right, but the other way of looking at it is Obama only needs two (or the three smallest) of the seven toss-ups to gain the required 270 votes to win. Are any states not “winner-takes-all”

SteveC

6 Sep 12 at 3:04 pm
The secret service let it be known that there was a kill zone between the two and the audience.

Any women venturing in there get pawed to death by Bill.

infidel tiger

6 Sep 12 at 3:07 pm
From Bill Clinton’s speech, which reads very, very well, if you ask me:

Though I often disagree with Republicans, I never learned to hate them the way the far right that now controls their party seems to hate President Obama and the Democrats

Glad to see him make this point.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 3:10 pm
I just want to know how Chris Matthews is going to spin the anti-semitism at the DNC.

Nanuestalker

6 Sep 12 at 3:14 pm
Nobody asked you Steve.

Nanuestalker

6 Sep 12 at 3:15 pm
From Bill Clinton’s speech, which reads very, very well, if you ask me

very lol, very very lol

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 3:15 pm
Fatty O’Barrell’s government will squeeze $1 billion from the state’s battered electricity consumers despite promising to do everything possible to keep down bills.

This means the average NSW household will this year pay an extra $120 to state government coffers this year on top of soaring prices from the federal government’s carbon tax, green schemes and network upgrade charges.

Premier Barry O’Farrell promised to cap dividend increases when he was elected last year, but NSW budget figures show the government’s dividend revenue has grown by 56 per cent, from $638 million under the former Labor government, to $1 billion this year.

The amount of money the government collects from the state-owned power companies has increased by more than $360 million in line with rising profits. Treasurer Mike Baird defended the increase.

alan

6 Sep 12 at 3:15 pm
Did Bill say anything about democracy in the Demolitionist Pardee, liar?

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 3:17 pm
As usual, Token gets shown up for being a liar…

Is it just me or is Jarrah becoming increasingly pseudo omniscient and punch drunk?

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 3:18 pm
Commentary on WSJ website likes it.

JamesK and token waiting for the Breitbart ratbag attack, and then declare “see, Clinton a dud.”

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 3:19 pm
Glad to see him make this point.

Yes, but he’s lying you ignoramus. I lived the entire 8 years with bubba as president and he spent every single one of those years bickering and fighting with the Republican Congress.

He learnt to live with the GOP congress because, as CL said, he became the GOP’s bitch. He was also not as ideological as the Kenyan. In other words Clinton wasn’t a commie.

Stepford, stop talking about stuff you don’t know nor understand. Get out of here. Go on, shoo.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 3:20 pm
It’s actually quite shocking they take these former presidents so seriously.

Fucken oath. They are public servants, former public servants, not frigging real life, miracle performing, living saints.

I kill zone around Laird Hamilton I can understand, but he’d just man up and stare down the would be attackers anyway.

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6 Sep 12 at 3:22 pm
JamesK and token waiting for the Breitbart ratbag attack, and then declare “see, Clinton a dud.”

Fuck off you mindless troll Steve.
Unlike you, James & Toke are more than capable of forming their own opinions.
They don’t need to be mouthpieces for Fuck Up or whatever foetid sewers are giving you your talking points.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

6 Sep 12 at 3:22 pm
Ah yes Gab, but isn’t that rather like touting your popularity by pointing out that all Post Offices carried a poster of you which specifically said you were “Wanted”?

Zatara

6 Sep 12 at 3:23 pm
He learnt to live with the GOP congress because, as CL said, he became the GOP’s bitch. He was also not as ideological as the Kenyan. In other words Clinton wasn’t a commie.

You’re forgetting the fact that the Right has gone stoopid.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 3:23 pm
As usual, ~~Token~~ Jarrah gets shown up for being a liar, then tries to ~~change his story~~ project his sins on others by screaming LIAR and hope no-one notices

Jarrah, your game of parsing and screaming LIAR when you are caught is prodictable. You project worse than the Red Yabbi.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 3:25 pm
Though I often disagree with Republicans, I never learned to hate them the way the far right that now controls their party seems to hate President Obama and the Democrats

Glad to see him make this point.

Well yes, since you’re stuck in 2004 you haven’t seen the totality of Bush Derangement Syndrome flower in all it’s glory yet. Though even stuck in 2004 you have seen enough to make this statement one of the most outrageous things that you’ve ever inferred.

Or did you think we were all going to just magically forget 2000-2009?

twostix

6 Sep 12 at 3:26 pm
How Steve?

The right, and the left, were committed to the Washington consensus back then. So are the Tea Party and Romney/Ryan.

This is just the beginning of being adults once more.

The Clintons are on the Romney team, following the Washington consensus.

The GOP spendathon and subsequent global left wing throwback to the 1970s was, of course, the stupidity.

.

6 Sep 12 at 3:26 pm
Clinton on the Romney non plan:

I think the President’s plan is better than the Romney plan, because the Romney plan fails the first test of fiscal responsibility: The numbers don’t add up.

It’s supposed to be a debt reduction plan but it begins with five trillion dollars in tax cuts over a ten-year period. That makes the debt hole bigger before they even start to dig out. They say they’ll make it up by eliminating loopholes in the tax code. When you ask “which loopholes and how much?,” they say “See me after the election on that.” People ask me all the time how we delivered four surplus budgets. What new ideas did we bring? I always give a one-word answer: arithmetic. If they stay with a 5 trillion dollar tax cut in a debt reduction plan – the – arithmetic tells us that one of three things will happen: 1) they’ll have to eliminate so many deductions like the ones for home mortgages and charitable giving that middle class families will see their tax bill go up two thousand dollars year while people making over 3 million dollars a year get will still get a 250,000 dollar tax cut; or 2) they’ll have to cut so much spending that they’ll obliterate the budget for our national parks, for ensuring clean air, clean water, safe food, safe air travel; or they’ll cut way back on Pell Grants, college loans, early childhood education and other programs that help middle class families and poor children, not to mention cutting investments in roads, bridges, science, technology and medical research; or 3) they’ll do what they’ve been doing for thirty plus years now – cut taxes more than they cut spending, explode the debt, and weaken the economy. Remember, Republican economic policies quadrupled the debt before I took office and doubled it after I left. We simply can’t afford to double-down on trickle-down.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 3:26 pm
JamesK and token waiting for the Breitbart ratbag attack, and then declare “see, Clinton a dud.”

It was an okay speech for a Demolitionist. I’ve always found Bubba’s speeches lacking something that I can’t quite put my finger on and a little boring. I think he’s a shallow speaker.

However, the problem with this speech is that it will make people hanker more for Bubba than the Kenyan. Bubba will remind people what they don’t have.

Bubba kept talking about how he got on with the Republicans. There’s the fiscal cliff coming in December, which could make people decide they want a president who can get it done, as they know the Kenyan can’t deliver.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 3:26 pm
Steve you are a dope.

Clinton and Gore cut, cut, cut.

They rationalised welfare for one thing. A major success that was a “only Nixon can go to China” moment.

He actually wants them to do option 2. Unless you think each extra dollar spent by the Dept. of Education goes to educating a child…you pillock.

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6 Sep 12 at 3:28 pm
Shit, Qantas is really getting out of some international routes.

Qantas Airways shares have risen almost five per cent after the airline announced a deal with Emirates that leaves London as its sole European destination.

The 10-year partnership between the two carriers, unveiled in Sydney on Thursday, will result in Qantas shifting its European hub to Emirates’ home airport in Dubai.

From there, Qantas passengers headed to destinations other than London can transfer to Emirates flights carrying the QF airline code as part of a wide-ranging partnership that also includes reciprocal frequent flyer benefits.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 3:28 pm
You’re forgetting the fact that the Right has gone stoopid.

Steve to public: You’re Stoopid Vote Gillard!1!111

twostix

6 Sep 12 at 3:28 pm
It’s supposed to be a debt reduction plan but it begins with five trillion dollars in tax cuts over a ten-year period. That makes the debt hole bigger before they even start to dig out. They say they’ll make it up by eliminating loopholes in the tax code. When you ask “which loopholes and how much?,” they say “See me after the election on that.” People ask me all the time how we delivered four surplus budgets.

Yes, they are lowering the rates and eliminating dedications. You realize that you can claim an interest deduction for the mortgage on a vacation home or a boat in the US , right?

JC

6 Sep 12 at 3:31 pm
Shitfer, Obama doesn’t have a plan, you stupid fucking arsehole. Go and change the toilet ducks you mooching swine.

Infidel Tiger

6 Sep 12 at 3:32 pm
The Clintons are on the Romney team, following the Washington consensus.

Yep. However Bubba is publicly dishonest in the same way as Keating is. They won’t diss their political parties although they hate the current leaders and their policies.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 3:34 pm
The right have gone stupid?

Jesus. The spendathon here has already begun. Billions on a dental scheme we don’t need. Dental care and orthodontics are so cheap that virtually everyone in the middle class has or a sibling has had braces.

There is ALREADY a free annual check-up and clean available to everyone, subsidised Federally.

There is ALREADY the option of bulk billing dental services.

We have fluoridated water etc.

Basic health insurance is so affordable that someone on welfare can buy it with dental coverage.

We have a generous welfare system too.

Gillard is seriously turning into a cartoon character – ala Homer Simpson.

These crazy promises will bust departmental budgets within months of running a full year.

Swan cannot even balance the budget on previous white elephants.

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6 Sep 12 at 3:38 pm
JC: If you have a big enough debt problem, and the US does, start eliminating some of the more ridiculous deductions (such as those you list) and don’t make your job harder by unnecessary tax cuts.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 3:40 pm
dot, don’t you have to on a healthcare card to get these?
There is ALREADY a free annual check-up and clean available to everyone, subsidised Federally.

There is ALREADY the option of bulk billing dental services.

SteveC

6 Sep 12 at 3:41 pm
Tax cuts increase productivity, Steve. The laffer curve is real, the total tax take varies little compared to tax rates.

An economy wide tax policy is better than a debt based one.

Your argument assumes the optimal level of spending is whatever the Government of the day thinks it is.

Outside of a general war, this is highly unlikely to be true.

.

6 Sep 12 at 3:42 pm
Oh, and you might do something obvious, like wind back Defence spending.

Not increase it.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 3:46 pm
That may be Steve, so we should extend it to the middle class who can afford to buy orthodontics?

Your duplicity on this is ridiculous. Let me guess, you think the private healthcare rebate is a form of middle class welfare?

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6 Sep 12 at 3:47 pm
Stepford:

You don’t understand what Romney is attempting to achieve. If you spent less fucking time on leftwing propaganda sites and more time where you could learn something you wouldn’t be this ignorant.

Romney “tax cuts” aren’t tax cuts as you seem to understand them. What he’s be selling is the idea of lowering the marginal rates by eliminating many deductions. He’s stated many times that this would be revenue neutral.

The benefit from this action is that it makes the tax system less complicated and more efficient with far less distortions. It’s a good solid plan, but not a great one as I would be cutting spending to lower the high thresholds as well.

One other thing… you do realize that the US has perhaps the highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized west, right?

JC

6 Sep 12 at 3:47 pm
Steve has made one sensible point (out of several thousand), cut US defence spending.

This could be done with actually increasing front line deployments and weapons upgrades. It really is an expensive trough for local and State government piglets.

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6 Sep 12 at 3:49 pm
JamesK and token waiting for the Breitbart ratbag attack, and then declare “see, Clinton a dud.”

I didn’t say anything about Bill’s speech liar.

I haven’t heard it.

That’s why I asked you whether he said anything about democracy in the Demolitionist Pardee?

Chairman Villaraigosa asked the delegation:

I’ll do that one more time:

All those delegates in favour, say: ‘aye’

All those delegates opposed say: ‘d’oh!’

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 3:51 pm
Oh, and you might do something obvious, like wind back Defence spending.

Not increase it.

An Australian supporting cuts in the US defense budget is the last fucking thing you ought to be going for, you nimbus. It means we get to free ride less and end up having to spend more of our own money if they cut materially.

If i wasn’t so nationalistic.. pro-Australia… I would strongly support US defense cuts.

One other thing… 4% of GDP going to US defense isn’t out of the ballpark. It ought to be closer to say 3.5% but it’s not budget busting and actually quite responsible.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 3:54 pm
If you stand back and review the content of the speeches given so far at the Dem Convention something becomes quite clear. They are not about winning the next election, they are about cleaning up the Obama story for posterity.

The wookie droning on about how hard it has been for him and how hard he has worked for instance. The milktoast performance of Clinton. Not to mention the fact that the Dems chose a has-been, convicted perjuror who was impeached by Congress to give a keynote speech in the first place. Not at all a serious or important speaker but hey, when you are competing with the first game of the 2012 US pro football season you got to find something to make the housewives harass their hubbies into switching channels.

The Dems have have in already given this up and are goign through the motions while covering their loses.

Zatara

6 Sep 12 at 3:54 pm
Edit: The Dems have already given this up and are going through the motions while covering their loses.

Zatara

6 Sep 12 at 3:55 pm
Steve has made one sensible point (out of several thousand), cut US defence spending.

This could be done with actually increasing front line deployments and weapons upgrades. It really is an expensive trough for local and State government piglets.

Yes it is. The troughing and pigging out ought to stop. Dot, I’m more inclined to think that Romney is bullshitting a little here. I tend to think he will be streamlining the spending.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 3:57 pm
That may be Steve, so we should extend it to the middle class who can afford to buy orthodontics?
No, though I don’t think that’s what the new dental scheme will do (depending on your definition of middle class i guess)

Let me guess, you think the private healthcare rebate is a form of middle class welfare?
Yes. The same money would be much better spent on public health.

SteveC

6 Sep 12 at 4:00 pm
The troughing and pigging out ought to stop. Dot, I’m more inclined to think that Romney is bullshitting a little here.

He’s not.

He will restore and then increase defence spending.

Of all the primary GOP candidates hew was the most committed to defence.

He made an important speech about it during the primary process.

He wants 320+ navy ships.

They’re down to 270 and aging.

It’s hugely expensive.

There will be a war with Iran.

I agree with Romney on this.

He’ll do a Reagan

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 4:04 pm
Christ you’re a dope Steve.

There is no need for these dental schemes. If people are too uncivilised to brush their teeth, fuck em. With flouridated water – they’ll just end up ugly. If it is such a special case, why do we need so much money spent on it?

Gillard is a joke. She is throwing money at non existent issues.

The rebate gets people out of the public system, and they enter emergency services as private patients.

Do you really think more money would flow to each patient on a public ward if the money was siphoned to the State and Federal Departments of Health rather than allowing private treatment and private coverage of emergency services?

Perhaps other than running PHIAC and Medicare, you can tell me what Federal Health bureaucrats do, given the fed operates no hospitals.

.

6 Sep 12 at 4:05 pm
James,

The Arleigh Burke class for example are getting old. The Mk45 guns have better replacements waiting. It’s a valid point.

I think though they can do it – and actually cut overall spending. Building bases with no practical use in lower bumfuck keeps some of these braindead and geriatric Reps and Senators in office for generations.

.

6 Sep 12 at 4:07 pm
JC, see point one in Clinton’s speech:

1) they’ll have to eliminate so many deductions like the ones for home mortgages and charitable giving that middle class families will see their tax bill go up two thousand dollars year while people making over 3 million dollars a year get will still get a 250,000 dollar tax cut;

If the deductions being cut are ones heavily utilised by the middle class, it is they who disproportionately bear the “cost” of the exercise.

As Romney won’t say which deductions he will attack, this uncertainty will be hanging over the head of middle class voters.

I would also refer you to this short commentary in The Atlantic which ends thus:

“Clinton knows that higher taxes will not bring back the economy of the 1990s,” the NR editors write. But nobody is claiming that a top marginal tax rate of 39.6% is The Secret Code to unlock the dormant 1996-era productivity growth rates. There is a much simpler claim here. Taxes raise money. Raising taxes raises more money. Reagan got it (he raised taxes repeatedly after 1981). Bush I got it. Clinton got it. It’s only since Bush II that the obvious claim became controversial: More money for the same government means lower deficits.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 4:13 pm
The Romney campaign has issued a quick response following former President Bill Clinton’s address to the Democratic National Convention:

“President Clinton drew a stark contrast between himself and President Obama tonight. Bill Clinton worked with Republicans, balanced the budget, and after four years he could say you were better off. Barack Obama hasn’t worked across the aisle – he’s barely worked with other Democrats – and has the worst economic record of any president in modern history. President Clinton’s speech brought the disappointment and failure of President Obama’s time in office clearly into focus.” – Ryan Williams, Romney Spokesman

Do you agree with Romney’s assessment, liar?

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 4:13 pm
ANALYSIS: Charles Krauthammer Calls Clinton DNC Address “One of the Strangest Nomination Speeches Ever Given”

Charles Krauthammer spoke with Bret Baier and Megyn Kelly after Bill Clinton’s DNC speech and did not hold back in his critique of the former commander in chief’s remarks. “I think he struck out on this,” Krauthammer said. “I don’t think he moved the needle whatsoever.”

Krauthammer went on to call his nearly 50-minute speech sprawling, undisciplined and truly self-indulgent. “It was one of the strangest nomination speeches ever given,” he said. “It sounded like a campaign speech for a third Clinton term.”

Do you agree with Charles’ assessment liar?

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 4:16 pm
“It sounded like a campaign speech for a third Clinton term.”

It’s always about him. Always.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 4:17 pm
What are the odds that tonight we’ll see the Dems deny God and Jerusalem thrice on Lateline, the 7 o’clock News or 7.30 liar-steve™?

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 4:19 pm
Latest Bird sighting – The Economist

http://www.economist.com/comment/1618296#comment-1618296

GraemeBird in reply to Geoff Richards 32 mins ago

Now apply yourself.

We are going to go over the non-parallel shadows again. This is a debunking of the Apollo mission in and of itself. Its NOT A MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE. The question is are they parallel or not? They aren’t. The suns shadows are parallel because there is one light source and it is far away. Studio light shadows are not parallel, since the source of the light is near, or there may be more than one studio light.

Its got nothing to do with illusion or perspective. Here is the quintessential example of the Apollo stooge accepting one ad hoc excuse after another. The ad hoc excuse-making process can go on as long as the stooges want to run interference for the criminals who ran away with the taxpayers money. The shadow gives the game away. This make-believe debunking cannot produce a time-machine and allow the astroNOTS to go back in time and make it to the moon when they never did.

The question of the shadows has not been addressed. Its not going away despite the goose-stepper you linked. The networks who pulled off this gigantic crime against the public are still at large. The criminal parasites have produced children who are parasitic off us and murderous towards us still. The crime of Apollo is such that the networks have been caught red-handed. Its important that this fact is part of the mainstream record. So that the heirs of the old criminals can have their wings clipped.

jtfsoon

6 Sep 12 at 4:22 pm
Another bit attacking the Romney plan as just not adding up:

The Romney-Ryan budget, and this will be the heart of Obama’s attempted take-down of Ryan, also will explode the deficit, because, once again, the math simply does not work. You cannot cut taxes, hold current entitlements harmless, raise defense spending and balance the budget, no matter how much you cut non-defense discretionary spending. There simply isn’t enough of it — less than 15 percent of the budget.

What makes Ryan vulnerable is that his plan not only perpetuates the myth of the Laffer curve, but that, unlike Reagan and Bush II, who allowed deficits to rise instead of gutting social programs, Ryan’s chief approach to deficit reduction is draconian cuts in the social safety net and investments in science, education and technology. His budget leaves him and Romney wide-open to attacks that their approach is not only deeply unfair, but unwise.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 4:24 pm
Let me guess, you think the private healthcare rebate is a form of middle class welfare?

Yes. The same money would be much better spent on public health.

Yes Steve, it is a simple zero sum game isn’t it.

So on similar lines, do you belive the government should support children that attend private schools, or should all the money be spent on the public system?

Token

6 Sep 12 at 4:28 pm
Those poor Economist readers must be scracthing their heads …

http://www.economist.com/comment/1618296#comment-1616016

GraemeBird in reply to Geoff Richards Sep 5th, 08:46

You are a dishonest fool . “The unmanned Apollo 5 mission lasted a few hours” We were talking about the flight of that piece of crap lunar module. Not the entire Apollo five mission. You are an idiot mate.

jtfsoon

6 Sep 12 at 4:30 pm
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The question is liar-steve™ – will we be shown the Dems deny God and Jerusalem thrice on ‘their’ ABC tonight?

Whaddya think?

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JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 4:30 pm
The rebate gets people out of the public system, and they enter emergency services as private patients.

Dot, you don’t get it, in Steve-nomics everything is a zero sum game.

How could the government paying a proportion be better than paying the full amount?

Token

6 Sep 12 at 4:30 pm
“Clinton knows that higher taxes will not bring back the economy of the 1990s,” the NR editors write. But nobody is claiming that a top marginal tax rate of 39.6% is The Secret Code to unlock the dormant 1996-era productivity growth rates.

Stepford,

What the Atlantic doesn’t tell you is that the top fucking tax rate is NOT 39.6%. It’s already over 50% for those that pay it.

Most people that earn that sort of money are living in states which have a high state income tax.

Living in NYC without mortgage interest deductions, I was paying 52%!

I was paying the marginal rate (federal), state tax of 8.75% and City tax of 4.25%. I promptly took out a mortgage as there was no fucking way I was ever going to pay to the government more than what I earnt even if it cost me money.

Furthermore and this is really important, almost every small business in the US reports as a sub-S corporation. This means that small business people basically report income as individuals as fully incorporating would mean they would end up paying the corporate tax rate and then also having to comply with the onerous reporting requirements of regular corporations requiring serious money in such things as accounting fees etc. And it is onerous.

Add in all the costs to small business with the now having to comply with Kanyancare and you’ll find that small business could end up forking over 60% of profits is taxes and add-ons. We don’t have that level of costs in Australia, so why do you push for it in the US?

JC

6 Sep 12 at 4:31 pm
Jase

You left this one out.

GraemeBird in reply to Geoff Richards Sep 5th, 08:49

And of course your comments on the still photos further emphasise what a moron you are. Get a brain transplant and a slut tumour removal before talking to me again. Have you no shame at the sheer stupidity of your comments?

In your favour I can say that you are not untypical of someone hanging onto irrational pro-Apollo beliefs in the face of all the data which contradicts them.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 4:34 pm
James -

As I said before, Clinton’s dog-whistle: “Vote Romney”

… and he said “I” nearly three times more than Obama. Its good to have Clinton on side!

Nanuestalker

6 Sep 12 at 4:35 pm
I think this upward trend will screw Obama.

http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp?fromYear=2008&toYear=2012

The overall rate is unacceptably high.

.

6 Sep 12 at 4:45 pm
Gab,

Some of those zazzle Obama stickers are very funny – but I’d love an Aussie version of …

“Very funny. Now bring out the real President.”

Ellen of Tasmania

6 Sep 12 at 4:50 pm
Dot, some reading here and here on the results of poor dental health. In the long run, fixing people’s teeth would save money on downstream general health problems. I don’t know wht you mentioned orthodontics, as far as I can tell the new program does not included orthodontics.

SteveC

6 Sep 12 at 4:51 pm
Living in NYC without mortgage interest deductions, I was paying 52%!

Gee, it must annoy you that Romney household paid just 13.9% on their 2010 tax return, then.

I wonder how this should be dealt with. I know – tax reductions for the rich. It’s so obvious, isn’t it?

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 4:53 pm
And of course your comments on the still photos further emphasise what a moron you are. Get a brain transplant and a slut tumour removal before talking to me again. Have you no shame at the sheer stupidity of your comments?

In your favour I can say that you are not untypical of someone hanging onto irrational [insert topic here] beliefs in the face of all the data which contradicts them.
Why was he banned, that sounds like a pretty normal comment around here!

SteveC

6 Sep 12 at 4:55 pm
Ooh wow that’s interesting reading.

Aldi sell toothbrushes and toothpaste for 75 c and $1.29.

Like I give a fuck.

I don’t know wht you mentioned orthodontics, as far as I can tell the new program does not included orthodontics.

We’re wealthy enough for such a vanity item, people can learn how to brush their fucking teeth.

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6 Sep 12 at 4:56 pm
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Krauthammer mused that Bill went 20 minutes over time because he knew Obummer was being kept waiting behind the stage curtain to come out for the Big Bill NYT frontpage photo-op hug after the speech.

The Big Bill kissoff for 2008.

Whaddya think of Charles’ theory liar-steve™?

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JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 4:56 pm
I wonder how this should be dealt with. I know – tax reductions for the rich. It’s so obvious, isn’t it?

Christ you’re an idiot Steve. The wealthy don’t pay tax because of tax planning – not tax rates.

You’re a fucking dolt.

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6 Sep 12 at 4:57 pm
Gee, it must annoy you that Romney household paid just 13.9% on their 2010 tax return, then.

Stepford,

Do you ever think in comparable terms. Romney’s tax rate is that level because he earns dividends, had cap gains and has a 401K

You do understand that Australians also have tax relief for dividends introduced by Keating. We have tax relief in our super (first introduced by Keating). We also have cap gains relief introduced by Howard, which this government hasn’t touched.

Any wealthy Australian at Mitt’s age would be paying a comparable rate of tax. perhaps a tiny but higher but not much more.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 5:00 pm
This is why your wife won;t give you a chequebook or credit card Stepford. You are too fucking stupid. You will never ever understand the fucking material.

Infidel Tiger

6 Sep 12 at 5:04 pm
Don’t listen to them, SFB. Keep talking.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 5:13 pm
Jason,I miss Graeme,look at the nuff nuffs we get here!

Tal

6 Sep 12 at 5:17 pm
Bloomberg talking about how the Romney tax figures don’t add up (well, unless you are reducing deductions that are most used by the middle class, but hush now, we don’t want the middle class to realise this before the election):

Romney says he would broaden the tax base by reducing deductions and other tax breaks to ensure his plan generates as much revenue as the current system, and avoids shifting the tax burden from high earners to the rest of the population.

The Romney campaign has resisted explaining how it would do that, even after an Aug. 1 study by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center showed that achieving all of his goals would be almost impossible, given that the rate cuts for top earners would cost the U.S. government $360 billion in revenue in 2015.
Only Hints

Romney has offered only hints. In remarks overheard at an April 15 fundraiser, he said he was considering eliminating mortgage interest deductions for second homes and the deduction for state and local taxes.

Those changes alone wouldn’t come up with enough money to offset the rate cuts. Ending the state and local tax deduction could generate $862.2 billion over the next decade, the Congressional Budget Office estimated last year. Phasing out the mortgage interest deduction over that period would yield $214.6 billion. The estimates would be lower if tax rates also were cut.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 5:20 pm
PHOTO: Teleprompter Already Affirmed Two-Thirds Majority Before ‘God, Jerusalem’ Platform Vote Ever Taken

Check out this photo, taken as the DNC chair took a vote on Wednesday, asking delegates to vote on re-adding language on God and Jerusalem to the party’s platform.

Although the crowd seemed to not reach the two-thirds majority needed to affirm the vote, the chair did so anyways. Now, it appears that the result was already forecast, planted in the prompter prior to the vote ever taking place.

Are you aghast that the Chair overruled the will of the Demolitionist delegates liar-steve™?

Do you prefer God and Jerusalem over democracy liar?

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 5:20 pm
“I haven’t seen a hug that awkward — the one between Clinton and President Obama — since Liza Minnelli and David Gest said ‘I do.’”

Stephen Green (Vodkapundit)

Infidel Tiger

6 Sep 12 at 5:28 pm
“I haven’t seen a hug that awkward — the one between Clinton and President Obama — since Liza Minnelli and David Gest said ‘I do.’”

Bazza had been waiting half an hour to wrap his ~~hands~~ arms aroud Bill’s neck

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 5:31 pm
David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog

In 2 days, 4 high level Dems have likened GOP to Hitler, Hitler’s mistress, Goebbels, and Nazi genocide. Then they boo Israel.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 5:33 pm
David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog

I don’t care whether Democrats believe in God. I want evidence they believe in math.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 5:35 pm
Gee, it’s obviously hurting the right wing pundits that the Democrats are having widely applauded key note speeches every night. Their assessment and commentary is just going for silly cheap shots instead of dealing with substance.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 5:36 pm
David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog

Breaking: DNC finale goes indoors to escape tsunami of empty seats

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 5:37 pm
Their assessment and commentary is just going for silly cheap shots instead of dealing with substance.

Why are you talking about yourself in the third person now?

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 5:38 pm
Jason,I miss Graeme,look at the nuff nuffs we get here!

Yes Tal. Just take a look at this.

I can say that you are not untypical of someone hanging onto irrational pro-Apollo beliefs in the face of all the data which contradicts them.

It’s really funny how convinced and articulate he sounds about the most atrocious beliefs… in this case the Apollo conspiracy theory.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 5:38 pm
Gee, it’s obviously hurting the right wing pundits that the Democrats are having widely applauded key note speeches every night. Their assessment and commentary is just going for silly cheap shots instead of dealing with substance.

For Pete’s sake, Steve, you sound like a 14-year-old girl passionately and tearfully defending Justin Bieber. It’s sad, man.

James in Melbourne

6 Sep 12 at 5:40 pm
Politico: Debbie Wassurname-Shrugs Run away!

DNC’s Wasserman Schultz, Gaspard cancel interviews amid platform debacle

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Democratic National Committee chiefs Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Patrick Gaspard cancelled interviews with local media outlets tonight, amid controversy surrounding the party’s decision to reintroduce “God” and “Jerusalem” to the platform.

Jon Ralston, host of the Las Vegas-based “Face To Face” news program, told POLITICO that he was sitting in the chair waiting for a 2:45 p.m. PT (5:45 p.m. ET) interview with Gaspard when he was told that his guest had cancelled, without explanation.

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 5:42 pm
He is damn good Joe,the people we get now are amateurs

Tal

6 Sep 12 at 5:44 pm
I’d love to know what a ‘slut tumour removal’ is.

jtfsoon

6 Sep 12 at 5:48 pm
Tal

I don’t know what it is about Birdie, but women seem to always like him for some reason. I really don’t get it. Every woman who comes across him, seems to have a soft spot for the interminable doofus.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 5:48 pm
Lefty Politico: Bill’s effective Obama embrace

One source close to the Clintons said Hillary hadn’t made any decisions in either direction, but would likely take some down-time after leaving the Obama administration, write her book, start a foundation or join her husband’s, and then assess the landscape in about two years.
“She says she won’t” run again, Bill Clinton told NBC’s Brian Williams in an interview that aired shortly before his speech. She is approaching 70 – they are not, Bill Clinton noted, “kids anymore.”
Yet Bill Clinton has become a Reaganesque figure among Democrats since leaving office, giving a different dimension to a national political legacy.
After they hugged following Obama’s entrance on stage after Bill’s speech, they waved to the crowd with their arms around each other’s backs as they walked off stage.
But someone caught Clinton’s eye, and he stopped just before exiting to shake hands. Obama, waved back by Clinton, shook the man’s hand as well. Clinton then started talking to someone else. Obama, walking ahead, left the stage, leaving Clinton behind.

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 5:50 pm
For Pete’s sake, Steve, you sound like a 14-year-old girl passionately and tearfully defending Justin Bieber.

James, the media reviews have been very strong for Michelle Obama (they were quite good for Ann Romney too, but somewhat better for Michelle), and very, very good for Clinton.

The praise for the Clinton speech is deserved. Articulate, detailed in its criticisms, and calling for Republicans to come back to the rational centre.

The Democrats are having a pretty good conference.

There is nothing “fanboy” about this: I have quite neutral feelings towards both Clinton and Obama.

I do have strong feelings that the Republicans have gone stoopid – and I have been detailing with extracts from all over the place as to why they are making no sense. There are many former Republicans who agree with me.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 5:53 pm
women seem to always like him for some reason. I really don’t get it.

He’s very charming when he has a mind to be. And witty on many occasions.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 5:53 pm
Joe, yeah it’s weird,he really seems to like women,I can only remember him going off a a female once or twice

Tal

6 Sep 12 at 5:58 pm
Local Weather Forecaster Says Charlotte “In Good Shape” For Obama’s Speech, Chance Of Severe Weather “Minimal”…

You don’t think the Obama campaign is being dishonest when they claimed to move it because of the weather?

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 5:58 pm
You go hard StevieLiar QC. You love that my misogynist Clinton nearly as much as the raping, killing Kennedys. Cook the dinner you deadshit. Your wife is hungry

Tiny Dancer

6 Sep 12 at 6:00 pm
Potemkin’s Village

ALP Values… here

Grigory Potemkin

6 Sep 12 at 6:00 pm
Further from the DNC.

Florida DNC Boss: “Christians Want Jews Slaughtered”…

Mark Alan Siegel, Palm Beach County Democrat Chairman, makes some rather anti-Christian statements.

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 6:01 pm
Jase I’ve heard of a whore tumour removal,maybe its similar?

Tal

6 Sep 12 at 6:01 pm
I see “slut cancer” has an Urban Dictionary definition of referring to cervical cancer.

A strange insult from Mr Bird.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 6:08 pm
You would think that 100 broken promises in a year would be enough, as that is more than one every four days. But Barry has set himself with keeping pace with his first year, so below are some of the latest porkies he has sold to the people of NSW.

“We will need more public servants, not less.” ~ Fate of our State debate, February 24 2011

“I can’t envision a situation where we would have more [speed cameras].” ~ ABC News, 7 April 2011.

“There will not be a decision to turn our national parks into hunting reserves.” ~ Sydney Morning Herald, 13 April 2011

”We have absolutely no plans to privatise either the generators or the poles and wires.” ~ Lithgow Mercury, 28 January 2011

“We have no intention of doing deals with the minor parties.” ~ Sydney Morning Herald, 13 April 2011

alan

6 Sep 12 at 6:09 pm
The electricity price increases announced by the Independent Pricing and Regulatory Tribunal (IPART) today come on top of Barry O’Farrell passing on an 18.1 per cent electricity price hike on 1 July last year.

The total electricity bill increases under the O’Farrell Government will add between $424 and $743 to household electricity bills over two years.

alan

6 Sep 12 at 6:13 pm
Listening to Jim Wallace dig himself into a deeper hole on PM. Why doesn’t he just apologise for a silly choice of analogy.

SteveC

6 Sep 12 at 6:14 pm
Mark Alan Siegel, Palm Beach County Democrat Chairman, makes some rather anti-Christian statements.

Comment from JamesK’s link.

poljunkie • 7 hours ago

I think most Jews would take their chances with the Christians. Its the Muslims they are more concerned about.

Amen to that.

Rudiau

6 Sep 12 at 6:18 pm
Let’s ban corporate profits.
Oh wait, there are some thinkers here.
Lets cap corporate profits.

T.Blair

Rudiau

6 Sep 12 at 6:25 pm
That Schiff video Blair links to is just fucken awesome!

Like the ALP and unions here – the AFL-CIO and Democrats want to ban profits.

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6 Sep 12 at 9:51 pm
Or Sandra Fluke cancer, StevieLiar QC. Did you cook dinner? Tell the children they will die next year because of nasty Tony?

Tiny Dancer

6 Sep 12 at 9:52 pm
the media reviews have been very strong for Michelle Obama (they were quite good for Ann Romney too, but somewhat better for Michelle), and very, very good for Clinton.

Now you have shocked me Steve, shocked me to the core of my being……to think that the US fourth estate, those grizzled veterans of speaking truth to power, are writing glowing stuff about the Dems….wonders will never cease.

Anyone other than you would recognise slavish, hagiographic paeans, that have demeaned the profession of journalism beyond the power of words to depict. They are shills, Steve, to a man and woman, their role in life – unasked, unsought, done gratis without a thought – is to write encomiums about the Obamas and the Democrats, run interference for them, that is when they are not rummaging through decades-old garbage bins trying to find something with which to blacken, malign and straight-out verbal any Republican who dares to put their head above the parapet.

The US media are Obama’s goons, Steve, it’s a joke that you would consider the drivel they are putting out about the DNC as anything other than North Korean State TV-style propaganda. Fufuxake!

James in Melbourne

6 Sep 12 at 9:53 pm
Thoroughly enjoyed reading that, James in Melb.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 9:55 pm
LOL “corporations should have losses”!

Where on earth do they dig these stupid people up?

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 9:58 pm
Fuuuuccckk

They actually want to ban profits? I’ll tell you the Liars party would be no better and the Greens.. like you really don’t need to guess where the slime come out on this one.

OMG.

And we have scumbags here in Oz suggesting the GOP is the party of ignorance.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:03 pm
Well said, James in Melb; well said.

dover_beach

6 Sep 12 at 10:03 pm
Thanks, Gab.

“You cannot hope to bribe or twist,
Thank God, the British* journalist.
But seeing what the man will do
unbribed, there is no reason to.”

* CBS, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, Yahoo

James In Melbourne

6 Sep 12 at 10:03 pm
LOL “corporations should have losses”!

Where on earth do they dig these stupid people up?

It’s actually not a laughing matter. This the second major party in the US having what appears to be 100% unity that profits should either be capped or banned.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:04 pm
“Jarrah, your game of parsing”

I don’t think you know what the word means. You keep using it like you think it’s an insult.

Jarrah

6 Sep 12 at 10:07 pm
Anne Summers delivers the 2012 Human Rights and Social Justice Lecture to the University of Newcastle. Includes graphic images of persecution of the Prime Minister.

Turns out you lot, while disgraceful and contemptible at times, are a bit tame compared to the deeper depths of the Interwebs.

m0nty

6 Sep 12 at 10:07 pm
Do these people even try to understand that during the GFC estimated earnings for the S&P went from 90 to 63 bucks and unemployment hit over 10%?

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:08 pm
LOL “corporations should have losses”!

Stewart & Colbert have been pulling tricks like that for years.

It was great to see someone pull that on the DNC.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 10:08 pm
Laughing becuase otherwise I’d be screaming or crying. I did wonder though if we sent along a roving reporter to the ALP conferences would we get the same reaction? If Swan was asked the same question, I’m pretty certain he’d opt to cap profits. In fact, I have no doubt the dumb and greedy bugger would do it.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 10:08 pm
That video is fantastic.

dover_beach

6 Sep 12 at 10:10 pm
Monty, what do you reckon? Should we ban or cap corporate profits?

Dangph

6 Sep 12 at 10:11 pm
The question is though what was the strike rate to get that sort of result. How many people did Schiff interview?

But even if the strike rate was 50%!

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:15 pm
Of course not Dangph, those people are idiots. But if you asked random GOPers outside their convention, you could find some nutjobs with wacky statements, too. Party conventions of both sides in America are full of morons.

m0nty

6 Sep 12 at 10:17 pm
Aboriginal take on boat arrivals.

Splatacrobat

6 Sep 12 at 10:17 pm
The government is the only thing that we all belong to.
Caleb Bonham and Kelly Maher hit the streets of Charlotte.

Youtube

Don’it feel great..

Rudiau

6 Sep 12 at 10:19 pm
So I take it, Monty, that you consider Anne Summers a moderate and you regard the majority of Australians who feel betrayed by this government are idiots. So she’s dragging up pictorial/graphic shit from the interwebs that’s been around for years. Yeah, and …? You want to censor it like most of the the rest of the idiot zombie left do?

Tom

6 Sep 12 at 10:25 pm
I lasted 15 secs on the second clip, Rudiau. Couldn’t watch any further. My sensibilities have been assaulted. Now I do want to cry. Unbelievable and so very communist. In this day and age, after all we have seen/experienced/been subjected to under communist and fascist countries these idiots are still wanting to be like sheep. It’s just so sad. And frightening. It’s like their saying, ‘hey, open the gates to totalitarian control. America needs this now!”

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 10:25 pm
Like it’s a cool thing to do!

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 10:26 pm
Turns out you lot, while disgraceful and contemptible at times, are a bit tame compared to the deeper depths of the Interwebs.

Like you mean we’re not as bad at the abuse and threats made against John Howard when he was PM from the a large part of the Left.
He even had a shoe thrown at him in the ABC studios by a fucker who is now dead (Good riddance).

Fuck you monst. I wouldn’t partake in that sort of abuse on your link, however I always say two things. Payback and escalate. Don’t fucking like it? Then don’t do it.

So don’t come crying here about that sort of thing boyo, as you don’t get sympathy.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:27 pm
The only reason the left abused Howard in so many disgusting ways – including on the ABC – was because Howard was a male.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 10:29 pm
Turns out you lot, while disgraceful and contemptible at times, are a bit tame compared to the deeper depths of the Interwebs.

You really are a beta male m0nty. Which hen pecked commenter on that embarrassing dinosaurs site is you?

twostix

6 Sep 12 at 10:31 pm
The only reason the left abused Howard in so many disgusting ways – including on the ABC – was because Howard was a male.

And his appearance Gab. They went absolutely apeshit after him about his appearance.

Now that the lying slapper is getting her comeuppance they go all finkelstien on us.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:31 pm
Obamacare Summed Up in One Sentence
“signed by a president who smokes” lol “What could poosibly go wrong?”

Dr. Barbara Bellar Candidate for Illinois State Senate

Rudiau

6 Sep 12 at 10:32 pm
The question is though what was the strike rate to get that sort of result. How many people did Schiff interview?

But even if the strike rate was 50%!

It probably was lower than would seem from the video, but as you know JC if they get one or two, the Daily Show or Colbert would then position the opinion as the norm for the group.

Schiff did well. You can be sure the control freaks in the DNC will be revoking a lot of press passes once they become aware of this vid.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 10:33 pm
You want to censor it like most of the the rest of the idiot zombie left do?

I love the comments on that site.

“Oh yes anne this really is an outrage, we really must ban critisism of the Prime Minister starting with banning Tony Abbott and the Liberal Party…”.

twostix

6 Sep 12 at 10:35 pm
hey Token

Don’t get me wrong. if the strike rate wasn’t 100% it was at least 50% of not more and it could very have been 100%. I wouldn’t be shocked in the least.

Coulter is right. It’s not a political party it’s a mob of undesirables.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:36 pm
The only reason the left abused Howard in so many disgusting ways – including on the ABC – was because Howard was a male.

That’s actually incorrect Gab.

The Left treat women and minority conservatives much worse than old white conservative males.

Just think liar-steve™ and how he treats CL or JC versus how he treats you.

Leftists are scum; it’s really not complicated.

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 10:37 pm
I left a comment at that site:

It’s dreadful, isn’t it? Almost as dreadful as when Howard was subjected to vile abuse from many quarters – including SBS and the ABC. Where was Anne Summers then? Did she speak out then? Ah, no. Why? Because Howard was a conservative and a male.

It seems the Left can dish it out in bucket loads but cry sexism! misogynistic! when the same abuse is directed at one of theirs who happens to be a female. Clearly, rules for some not others.

I doubt it will be published.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 10:37 pm
So I take it, Monty, that you consider Anne Summers a moderate and you regard the majority of Australians who feel betrayed by this government are idiots. So she’s dragging up pictorial/graphic shit from the interwebs that’s been around for years. Yeah, and …? You want to censor it like most of the the rest of the idiot zombie left do?

Summers’ point is that we wouldn’t accept this sort of behaviour in a normal workplace or many other social situations, so why do we accept it when it comes to the PM? Her solution is not to censor it. Her solution is for regular people to take a stand against persecution by saying it “stops with me” – i.e., I don’t participate in perpetuating it via social media. She doesn’t want it removed, she wants it ignored.

m0nty

6 Sep 12 at 10:37 pm
Just think liar-steve™ and how he treats CL or JC versus how he treats you.

Leftists are scum; it’s really not complicated.

good point, James.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 10:39 pm
As if the DNC convention was not going badly enough, the creator of that iconic image is going to do gaol time:

Feds Seek Prison Time For Obama “Hope” Artist

Prosecutors want Shepard Fairey sentencing to serve as a warning

Federal prosecutors want Shepard Fairey, the artist who created the Barack Obama “Hope” poster, to serve time in prison following his misdemeanor conviction for destroying and fabricating documents in connection with a civil lawsuit over the iconic campaign image.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 10:40 pm
Monster

turn off the fucking sombre music as no one is interested.

When Howard was being bashed around about his appearance where exactly was my cousin in law when that was happening? No where to be found or I’m betting agreeing with the abuse being heaped on him.

Fuck you and stop the wailing.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:40 pm
From the comments:

At the women-only gym the other day – a place full of Avon pamphlets and breast cancer-pink stuff – I was trying to punch the swinging punching bag. I wasn’t doing a very good job, having never done this before. The staffer suggested I imagine punching someone I didn’t like. I was processing this suggestion when the woman next to me suggested I imagine the face of “Julia” on the punching bag.

LOL

Even women are “mysoginists” when it comes to Gillard, she really can’t catch a break.

twostix

6 Sep 12 at 10:41 pm
Fuck you monst. I wouldn’t partake in that sort of abuse on your link

Bullshit, you liar. You regularly use demeaning, foul, sexist language to refer to her.

Google finds 149 different pages on Catallaxy containing the phrase “lying slapper”. You use the phrase in eight of the first ten.

What is it with the right and sexism?

m0nty

6 Sep 12 at 10:44 pm
“lying slapper”

is just a fact rather than a mere insult.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 10:46 pm
South Carolina Democratic chairman Dick Harpootlian compared his state’s Republican female governor, Nikki Haley, to Hitler’s mistress, Eva Braun this morning at a breakfast in Charlotte, North Carolina.

The third senior Dem to liken a Republican to Hitler in the las number of days:

The Dick Harpootlian show

S.C. Democratic Chairman Dick Harpootlian, never a loss for a quick quip, tossed a few stinging one-liners at the Wednesday delegation breakfast.

On Gov. Nikki Haley participating in daily news briefings in a basement studio at the NASCAR Hall of Fame: “She was down in the bunker a la Eva Braun.”

His opinion on why he thinks Republicans dislike education funding: “An educated population would not elect a Nikki Haley.”

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 10:47 pm
They are weak in spirit and resolve Gab and yes they are sheep. Totalitarianism, communism can only succeed if good men and women do nothing. Chin up and keep up the good fight.
DFTT and ATG (Factio Virides delenda est!) as Cato the Elder would say.

Rudiau

6 Sep 12 at 10:48 pm
Roxon betrays her family’s history

areff

6 Sep 12 at 10:48 pm
sfb, this sounds like some of those former republicans you were talking about.

SteveC

6 Sep 12 at 10:48 pm
Summers’ point is that we wouldn’t accept this sort of behaviour in a normal workplace or many other social situations, so why do we accept it when it comes to the PM?

I don’t know m0nty, why don’t we ask Gina Rhinehart and the ABC?

Or perhaps we’ll ask where the fuck were you in 2000-2009 you concern troll fascist fucker?

twostix

6 Sep 12 at 10:50 pm
Is “Glass Houses” Summers lecturing people about public behaviour?

Summers’ point is that we wouldn’t accept this sort of behaviour in a normal workplace or many other social situations, so why do we accept it when it comes to the PM?

You have some appalling heroes M0nty – this is what Summers had to do after a cowardly attack on the wife of a person she does not like.

I am pleased that The Monthly has removed from its website a despicable defamation of my wife that was written by Anne Summers in her “profile” of me. Actually, I presume that was the reason for what it’s done, since the magazine removed not only that vile smear but the whole tawdry article with it. This raises the question: was the editor also worried about the many other laughable errors, from my supposed previous “engagement” to the apparent assumption that some clearly fake Twitter account was actually mine? Did the magazine perhaps regret the shameless smearing of my late mother? The pathetic sledging of my wife by an unnamed ex-girlfriend of mine from more than a quarter of a century ago? Who knows?

Still waiting for a public apology to my wife, though.

Glad to see she is staying classy.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 10:50 pm
Interesting Gab, what is your definition of a “slapper”?

SteveC

6 Sep 12 at 10:51 pm
Bullshit, you liar.

So let me get this right then,

Turns out you lot, while disgraceful and contemptible at times, are a bit tame compared to the deeper depths of the Interwebs.

I’m not part of “you lot”?

You can’t even get your fucking story straight, you imbecile. There were comments on that site about wishing he death on her etc. I’ve never said anyething like that, you douchebag.

There was a death threat per hour coming from “your lot” when Howard was PM.

Recall, “little Jonny howard”? How is that altogether different from referring to the Lying Slapper as the Lying Slapper?

My reference is closer to the mark than the one about Howard as he wasn’t small, whereas she seems to be a slapper as well as a known liar.

So get fucked Monster take the sexism charge and shove it up your fat backside as that crap doesn’t work with me.

Sexism lol. You virgin.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:53 pm
Where’s former Veep Al Gore at the DNC?
Doesn’t any one care about Global Warming anymore?

CHARLOTTE, N.C. — In 2008, Al Gore strode onto the stage at Denver’s Invesco Field to a hero’s welcome, throwing his support behind Barack Obama to take on the “global climate crisis.”

When Obama takes the stage this week, Gore will be nowhere in sight.

He isn’t coming to the Democratic National Convention but is spending the week in New York City, anchoring coverage of the event for his network Current TV.

Gore’s evolution over the past four years — from a central figure in the Democratic Party to a no-show at its biggest event — matches what has happened to the issue of climate change itself, which moved to the sidelines alongside its chief crusader

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 10:53 pm
Yes, you lot can believe, if you want, that every single journalist and commentator in the US who has praised the Clinton speech are mere shills who, to a man (or woman) hate the Republicans and are never, ever, fair to them.

Or, you can be all grown up and acknowledge a good speech is a good speech.

It was, actually, a great speech, but I don’t expect you to go there.

You can also, while you are at it, go ahead thinking that from (what may well be) the two lingering images of these conventions (the performances of Clint and Clinton), the rambling of an aged movie star to an empty chair is going to be remembered by history as the effective one.

What a sad joke if you sincerely think that way…

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 10:55 pm
Language is a measure of the depths plumbed here.

I wish you were plumbed junius. Permanently, you moron.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:55 pm
Summers is not my hero, Token. But she does have a point in this case. What do you think about her point? Are you going to keep perpetuating persecution too?

m0nty

6 Sep 12 at 10:56 pm
Language is a measure of the depths plumbed here.

Fuck off, princess. There’s a child-minding centre down the road.

Tom

6 Sep 12 at 10:56 pm
Former NSW MP Karyn Paluzzano sentenced to home detention for rorting, lying

In the Downing Centre Local Court today, Deputy Chief Magistrate Jane Culver said Paluzzano’s “repeated breaches of trust” merited a maximum custodial sentence of 18 months.

Ms Culver noted Paluzanno also repeatedly lied about falsely signing 18 sitting-day relief forms for various staff members between 2006 and 2007.

“The offender not only committed the crimes, she compounded her criminality years later by lying about these crimes in ICAC proceedings,” Ms Culver said.

Liars party aficionado

Splatacrobat

6 Sep 12 at 10:57 pm
No one should take lefties seriously when they raise issues like this; it is merely another instance of their political tartuffery.

dover_beach

6 Sep 12 at 10:57 pm
As usual Anne Summers (and M0nty), are trying that old Lefty trick of trying to appear reasonable when actually they are the uncivilised ones.

Sound familiar?

If Obama’s call for “civility… is to be taken seriously,” says Romney, stop comparing your opponents to Nazis.

“[I]t’s time for the President to rein in those of his supporters and allies who are trivializing Nazism while also shamelessly trampling on the most basic rules of American political discourse.”

Token

6 Sep 12 at 10:57 pm
Interesting Gab, what is your definition of a “slapper”?

Fuck you’re an easy target, SteveC.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 10:59 pm
political tartuffery.

LOL – reminds me of an Italian dessert: tartufo.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 11:00 pm
Little Johnny Howard was invented to refer to his junior status to Fraser in his boyish days.

Oh okay, Thanks junius. That clears it all up.

The lying Slapper was invented to refer to her as both an inveterate liar and a woman who had a nasty habit of fucking married men.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 11:02 pm
James Taranto,WSJ: The Pinocchio Press
The bizarre rise of “fact checking” propagandists.

In the 19th-century fairy tale “The Adventures of Pinocchio,” the eponymous protagonist is a wooden puppet who dreams of becoming an actual boy. We suppose people who work as fact checkers have long dreamed of becoming writers and editors, who enjoy, respectively, the glory and the power in journalism.

Outside the world of journalism, fact checkers were pretty much unknown until recently. Like proofreaders, they work behind the scenes. Their job is quality control. The most rigorous fact-checking operations–The New Yorker’s and Reader’s Digest’s are the best known among us who know about such things–would scrutinize every factual assertion in an article, reporting back so that any error could be corrected.

Over the past few years, many organizations have promoted “fact checkers” by making them writers, or perhaps demoted writers by making them fact checkers. No, it’s more the former, because other writers have been bowing to the “fact checkers” as submissively as Barack Obama upon meeting some anti-American dictator.

“Fact-checker findings, including those by The Washington Post’s project, figure prominently in campaign ads,” enthuses a Post news story. “The unique rating systems used by these organizations–including the trademarked Truth-O-Meter and Pinocchios–have become part of the political vernacular.” A New York Times news story laments that fact checkers “verdicts . . . are often drowned out by dissent.”

In the same way as scientists have been reduced to leftist ‘experts say’ so journalists have been reduced to calling in their ‘expert6s’ ahka ‘fact-checkers’.

The Left destroy everything they gain control of – the Arts, journalism, teaching, universities, the public sector, social sciences and economics and now large chunks of Science itself, the Law etc after nauseating etc

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 11:03 pm
Summers is not my hero, Token. But she does have a point in this case. What do you think about her point? Are you going to keep perpetuating persecution too?

Oh m0nty.

Is this really what you’re reduced to? From the soaring truimphlist tones of 2009-2010 to this?

You’ll really are down to the last few crumbs in the lefts ole bag o’tricks aren’t you?

I’m sorry old man, you deserve better.

twostix

6 Sep 12 at 11:03 pm
Yes, you lot can believe, if you want, that every single journalist and commentator in the US who has praised the Clinton speech…

I know someone who believed that among the un-necessary shrill name calling Clinton landed an important punch…on Obama:

Clinton saluted Obama for extending the life of Medicare by cutting $716 billion from the program, you had to wonder. If Obama extended the life of Medicare by cutting it to the tune of $716 billion, just think what Obama might have done with double or triple the cuts? Why, he could have provided Medicare a bridge through the twenty-first century, to borrow an old Clinton trope.

Obama’s diddling with the welfare reform work requirement strengthened it, according to Clinton. It was a requirement that Clinton himself had signed off on in 1996. Why hadn’t he thought of such an ingenious approach? Surely you had to understand that the man was putting us on. Just as he was obscuring the substance of what Obama has done, Clinton made sure to drop a clue when he asked: “Now, did I make myself clear?”

Clinton’s case for Obama’s handling of the economy involved another subtle satirical thrust: “No president — no president, not me, not any of my predecessors, no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years.” But could others have done better? Clinton didn’t say, of course, but the answer is affirmative. If the implication was that others might have done better, it was left hanging.

Bill is an old bastard who never forgot being racial profiled in South Carolina. Never.

Token

6 Sep 12 at 11:04 pm
a slapper is someone who supports a carbon tax?

SteveC

6 Sep 12 at 11:05 pm
Summers is not my hero, Token. But she does have a point in this case. What do you think about her point? Are you going to keep perpetuating persecution too?

Summers is not one to lecture anyone about decency.

What do you think of her baseless slandering of the women in Andrew Bolt’s life? Do you approve of that?

Token

6 Sep 12 at 11:06 pm
I’m not part of “you lot”?

Yes you are part of “you lot”, and you are one of the worst here, but as you say, you haven’t wished her death like some who Summers highlighted.

Recall, “little Jonny howard”? How is that altogether different from referring to the Lying Slapper as the Lying Slapper?

He’s a short man at 5’5″, that’s hardly sexist or suggesting violence! The Little Johnny stuff is also a reference to a series of jokes where Johnny is a rube. That’s a long way from calling Howard a slut.

What exactly do you define the word “slapper” to mean, JC? I see SteveC asked the same of Gab.

m0nty

6 Sep 12 at 11:08 pm
Gab, that dessert looks delicious.

dover_beach

6 Sep 12 at 11:08 pm
So let’s do a score here.

The virgin Monst shows up pouting and going all sanctimonious on us by linking to what he thought was iron clad defense by my cousin in law.

Turns out my cousin in law has also played the nasty card before. see Token’s link.

And from the edge of the internet we see Monst scurrying and skulking off with his tail firmly betwen his legs.

Junius shows up and tries very hard to present as a bigger idiot that Monst.

This isn’t a contest. It’s a fucking bloodbath. I’m sick of having to wipe the blood off the screen. The site needs to hire a professional blood-off-screen cleaner, as it’s getting far too messy.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 11:09 pm
Yesterday’s Cut & Paste:

Unlike those vile trolls, Catherine Deveny and Mungo MacCallum are a picture of civility

CATHERINE Deveny in The Sunday Age, Sunday:

I REMEMBER when I was about 14 slagging off some poor girl with my classmates … I am no stranger to trolls. They try to get my attention on an hourly basis. Women who colour outside the lines cop a hundred times more vitriol than men, and it’s a thousand times more vicious … Enter the troll. Small pathetic little people hell-bent on getting attention by slagging off, sledging or just being boring. Hate-filled abusive messages driven by envy and relevance-deprivation is their game. Generally men, generally anonymous, generally misogynist.

Deveny’s farewell tweet on her former editor, Paul Ramadge, June 26:

I WISH him arse cancer.

Deveny tweets about fellow ABC1 Q&A panellist Peter Dutton, March 15, 2010:

HAD nightmare they sat me next to a chinless, ex QLD cop with a face of a rapist who refused to go to the stolen generation apology #qanda

Deveny tweets on April 24, 2010:

ANZAC Day. Men only enlisted to fight for the money, for the adventure or because they were racist … Anzac Day IS a glorification of war. They didn’t die for us but because they were risktaking testosterone fuelled men with a pack mentality … Anzac Day. I abhor people whose self-esteem is fuelled by nationalism approved misogyny, homophobia, racism or cruelty administered by relos … Live your own life. Make your own mark. Stop feeling big because your dead relative killed people because they knew no better … Anzac Day. F..k repect (sic). Respect is just code for “support our selective narrative used to prop up our power that we use to oppress”.

Deveny on people who live in the Melbourne suburb of Craigieburn, The Age, April 19, 2008:

THE reality is that it is impossible to watch these brainless retards belt the crap out of each other without enjoying it just a little.

Mungo MacCallum on ABC News 24′s The Drum, last Thursday:

ONE of the problems is that we are becoming a less civil society. There’re all sorts of reasons for this. One is the great attacks on what used to be called political correctness. “Go on; let it all hang out if you think somebody’s a bastard, tell ‘em. Don’t be politically correct about it.” You know, in other words, don’t be polite. Don’t be decent. Don’t be civilised. Be as rude as you want to be about everybody you don’t like.

MacCallum in his book Run Johnny, Run: The Story of the 2004 Election (Duffy & Snellgrove, 2004)

(JOHN Howard) the little c . . t … a shithouse rat … a jerky little man with a manic grin … a lying little rat … the unflushable turd set out on a leisurely victory circuit of the toilet bowl.

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 11:11 pm
Well here’s a ringing endorsement for dear Anne, Catherine Deveny!!

Catherine Deveny ‏@CatherineDeveny

Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant speech by @SummersAnne on the sexist and hateful persecution of PM Gillard MUST WATCH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY7FFt-ciE4&feature=youtu.be …
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Rudiau

6 Sep 12 at 11:11 pm
What do you think of her baseless slandering of the women in Andrew Bolt’s life? Do you approve of that?

No of course not.

Summers is not one to lecture anyone about decency.

So you’re not going to answer the question? That’s rather gutless of you, Token.

m0nty

6 Sep 12 at 11:12 pm
You OK, Junius? Don’t toke so hard on that thing.

Tom

6 Sep 12 at 11:13 pm
The Little Johnny stuff

was a demeaning reference to the (alleged) size of his penis, monty. It was widely known and used and laughed at for that reason. For you to now pretend it was for his height is disingenuous of you. But then I don’t expect better from you.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 11:13 pm
What exactly do you define the word “slapper” to mean, JC? I see SteveC asked the same of Gab.

like really eggsatly.

See the link I posted and the 11.02 comment.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 11:14 pm
Howard was diminutive, Gillard is an inveterate liar and a homewrecker.

All factual.

Little Johnny Howard and the Lying Slapper.

Both very apt, and neither is sexist.

Howard got his moniker undeservedly. That’s the difference.

.

6 Sep 12 at 11:14 pm
Wow, minty caught lying AGAIN.

Who’d thunk it?

.

6 Sep 12 at 11:16 pm
StevieLiar QC. IF you know you won’t get it here then why bother hanging around? Why not hang around with supporters of killers , cowards, rapists, liars and misogynists? Or hang around at that poxy site you run, the one with no comments? Take mOron and stevieCC with you. Peasants

Tiny Dancer

6 Sep 12 at 11:16 pm
m0nty: the duality of man epitomised, on the one hand a man of serious Victorian era attitudes to women when it comes to protecting his “side”:

Bullshit, you liar. You regularly use demeaning, foul, sexist language to refer to her.

On the other hand he’s the ever edgy leftist who likes to make “ironic” jokes about rape:

What about rapist?

That was the thing with Clinton… he never had trouble getting consensus

Funny stuff m0nt!

twostix

6 Sep 12 at 11:17 pm
her baseless slandering of the women in Andrew Bolt’s life?

I genuinely don’t recall this. Bolt’s ex girlfriend spoke to Summers and said she had been engaged to Bolt. Bolt denied it and was (for reasons I could never understand) upset about it. Said ex girlfriend had article in The Age saying she was the one who had been upset with Andrew when he had referred to her in what she thought was a demeaning way in the IPA Review.

She is obviously still upset with Bolt about the matter and insists they were engaged.

So, is there another woman in Bolt’s life that Summer’s upset? Because she sure as hell didn’t upset that one.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 11:17 pm
Is anyone else experiencing an excruciatingly slow loading time of the Cat?

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 11:17 pm
Turns out my cousin in law has also played the nasty card before. see Token’s link.

More gutlessness by JC. Classic tu quoque logical fallacy. Refusal to engage with the argument, weak as water.

m0nty

6 Sep 12 at 11:18 pm
a slapper is someone who supports a carbon tax?

Fish in a fucking barrel. It’s almost going to be de-registered as a sport.

she sure did SteveC. She sure did.

JC

6 Sep 12 at 11:19 pm
it is merely another instance of their political tartuffery.

Great word dover. I haven’t heard anyone use this word for years. I had a mate who when he heard bullshit would just mutter under his breath in a fake German accent “gross tartuffery”!

Splatacrobat

6 Sep 12 at 11:20 pm
On the other hand he’s the ever edgy leftist who likes to make “ironic” jokes about rape:

LOL 26, you have been hanging onto that one for months just waiting for the right time to strike, haven’t you? You sad, sad little man.

That was not a joke about rape, you colossal moron. It wasn’t even a joke. I was just pointing out that Clinton didn’t have trouble seducing women.

m0nty

6 Sep 12 at 11:23 pm
What is it with the right and sexism?

m0nty – Your gynecomastia is clearly getting to you. Burn your bra and let us appreciate you for your mind not your moobs

Nanuestalker

6 Sep 12 at 11:24 pm
All this time I thought JC was simply boorish, whereas it appears he is in fact simply illiterate.

SteveC

6 Sep 12 at 11:26 pm
tartuffery.

I’m going to use that word from now on. I’m rather fond of it, Dover.

Tartufo is yummy, but cassata is better! “Italian cassata ice cream dessert. Luscious noughat, hazelnut gelato, candied fruit, and liqueur sponge. “

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 11:27 pm
was a demeaning reference to the (alleged) size of his penis, monty. It was widely known and used and laughed at for that reason. For you to now pretend it was for his height is disingenuous of you. But then I don’t expect better from you.

First I’ve heard of it. You’ve been looking at too many Pickering cartoons, Gab.

m0nty

6 Sep 12 at 11:27 pm
Yes, I agree with mOnty. I genuinely never thought the reference was to his penis.

I agree, generally, that Howard was truly hated by a significant number on the Left who were over the top and personal in their name-calling.

This was rightly called out by reasonable people on the Right. (Like me!)

What reasonable people on the Right should not do, if they don’t want to hypocrites in the extreme, is engage in the same (or in many cases, worse) name calling of Gillard and other Labor figures.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 11:32 pm
“Interesting Gab, what is your definition of a “slapper”?”

A woman she disagrees with politically, and therefore someone who must be a slut.

The typical way to attack women is by impugning their looks or their sexual behaviour. Few escape this pattern. Julia Gillard, Gina Rinehart, and Nicola Roxon spring to mind as examples, but undoubtedly there are many more. Mk50′s astounding misogynistic tirade is a case in point:

But looking at the left’s females… well a fuglier collection of harridans, thin-lipped wowsers, bloodless soulless kommisars and hatchet-faced bitches you’d never want to meet.

And I have not even started on the left’s femenazis and lesbians yet. They combine the looks of a bucket of smashed crabs with the personality of rotting cunjevoi. The smell is similar to the latter, too.

This atrocious passage has been defended on this blog, by a woman no less, but imagine the change in response if he had said “the right’s females”!

But this isn’t a problem found only on this blog. You don’t have to look far to see left-wing men and women using equivalent disgusting language, and for the same reason – the person they’re attacking happens to hold different views on politics or economics.

Of course, men are not immune, as m0nty has found out – cowards who wouldn’t dare put their own picture up on the internet are happy to insult his looks. However, it’s not a default insult, like “lying slapper”.

Jarrah

6 Sep 12 at 11:33 pm
More gutlessness by JC. Classic tu quoque logical fallacy. Refusal to engage with the argument, weak as water.

LOL m0nty calling others gutless.

Here’s m0nty’s M0.

Of the current events, such as Gina Rhinehart being publically mocked on the government media, or Sophie Mirabella having her private affairs run through the press as a cynical ALP foil against its Craig Thompson problem, or well anything.

M0nty is silent. Crickets. Nowhere to be found.

Then a few months later it becomes expedient for the left to be on the other side all of sudden here comes m0nty, guns blazing.

Somebody says: Where m0nty, were you when X was the case against your enemy?

Monty, six months after the fact says: Oh, I’m against that [now that it's useful to be].

You did it re Mirabella.
You did it re the ALP “threatening” the newsmedia
You’ll do it on Rhinehart (if you ever get the guts to actually answer my question)
And you just did it on howard.

What a shallow joker.

twostix

6 Sep 12 at 11:34 pm
Or, you can be all grown up and acknowledge a good speech is a good speech.

It was, actually, a great speech, but I don’t expect you to go there.

I’m embarrassed for your children, Steve.

You need medicating.

Infidel Tiger

6 Sep 12 at 11:37 pm
Sorry Token that I had missed your earlier link to the Mrs Bolt story.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 11:38 pm
Want to lift the level of debate here eh Jarrah?

How about coming out and admitting The Economist is left wing, and not centre right.

.

6 Sep 12 at 11:39 pm
was a demeaning reference to the (alleged) size of his penis, monty. It was widely known and used and laughed at for that reason. For you to now pretend it was for his height is disingenuous of you. But then I don’t expect better from you.

Nah. Was nuthin to do with his Johnson.

Howard was taller than Hawke. And if Hayden is to be believed Bob wasn’t sporting much downstairs.

Infidel Tiger

6 Sep 12 at 11:40 pm
Oh I get it! So m0nty & Jarrah have feelings. Here’s some advice ‘gurls’, don’t park here if you can’t handle it.

Nanuestalker

6 Sep 12 at 11:40 pm
But looking at the left’s females… well a fuglier collection of harridans, thin-lipped wowsers, bloodless soulless kommisars and hatchet-faced bitches you’d never want to meet.

And I have not even started on the left’s femenazis and lesbians yet. They combine the looks of a bucket of smashed crabs with the personality of rotting cunjevoi. The smell is similar to the latter, too.

I agree. Look at Eva Cox and Nicola Roxon. Their preferred policy position is hard socialism and social authoritarianism.

This atrocious passage has been defended on this blog, by a woman no less, but imagine the change in response if he had said “the right’s females”!

Oh boo hoo Ann Coulter looks like she does more coke than Rihanna.

.

6 Sep 12 at 11:42 pm
A woman she disagrees with politically, and therefore someone who must be a slut.

She lied. Continues to lie and has broken up two marriages (that we know of). Both marriages with small children.

So yes, lying slapper describes her perfectly.

The typical way to attack women is by impugning their looks or their sexual behaviour. Few escape this pattern.

Howard’s looks and appearance was attacked, relentlessly and mercilessly. But as usual, that was okay because he was a male and a conservative. The Little Johnny Howard slur [and yes it was used in reference to his penis size] was used often accompanied by sniggering, especially in the hallowed halls of Parliament.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 11:42 pm
IT, your children will always be able to put on “Clint harassing a chair” on DVD loop to amuse you when you are in a nursing home.

That is, after all, about the only place where people should find it funny.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 11:44 pm
The Economist is a right wing, pro free market, pro free trade magazine with a degree of intelligence not shared usually by people who believe such things.

Lies.

.

6 Sep 12 at 11:45 pm
Of the current events, such as Gina Rhinehart being publically mocked on the government media, or Sophie Mirabella having her private affairs run through the press as a cynical ALP foil against its Craig Thompson problem, or well anything.

M0nty is silent. Crickets. Nowhere to be found.

I have been asked on this blog about Mirabella, and agreed that investigation of her private life beyond what was reported from the court case at the time is beyond bounds. I don’t watch the gossip media.

As for Rinehart, when she says stupid things like how Australians should look for economic pointers to Africa where miners are paid $2 a day, of course she’s going to be lampooned for that sort of idiocy. That’s nothing to do with her gender, and everything to do with her arguments.

Again, this is all classic tu quoque. Again, JC does not engage with the fact that he is a ringleader of sexist persecution on this blog. Again, JC is completely gutless when called on his bullshit.

m0nty

6 Sep 12 at 11:45 pm
LOL 26, you have been hanging onto that one for months just waiting for the right time to strike, haven’t you? You sad, sad little man.

There’s this thing called google m0nty. It’s ever so easy to use. See on any matter regarding these embarrasingly craven “civilty” attacks all one has to do is type in sarah palin and oh look…mountains of “misogyny”.

And you who are so “gutless” that you can’t even now stand by a “witty” comment you made regarding Clinton being accused of rape question other people’s courage? LOL.

You’re energised again, but this is a dead end for you m0nty. We’ll start pulling out the lefts sick and all too mainstream desire to see Sarah Palin and her daughters raped if you like shall we?

How about we start with Letterman’s “jokes”?

I bet you’re “against them” now too.

twostix

6 Sep 12 at 11:46 pm
Continues to lie and has broken up two marriages (that we know of). Both marriages with small children.

As I have pointed out repeatedly – we have never heard from the wives as to whether they considered the marriage over before or after the Gillard relationship.

You just do not know Gab, so stop pretending you do.

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 11:47 pm
Look: the four dumbest, most humourless zombie trolls in Australia all converging on the adults’ blog. How many millions of dollars of our money did we fork out to create blogs for the zombie left (Drum, Conversation, etc)? Not good enough. They have to behave like delinquents on someone else’s private property instead.

Tom

6 Sep 12 at 11:47 pm
As for Rinehart, when she says stupid things like how Australians should look for economic pointers to Africa where miners are paid $2 a day, of course she’s going to be lampooned for that sort of idiocy. That’s nothing to do with her gender, and everything to do with her arguments.

She never said that you lying idiot.

Remove on costs and most occupational licensing and her and her employees could be enormously better off.

You don’t care about outcomes, only the mantra that businesses ought to be destroyed.

.

6 Sep 12 at 11:48 pm
That Schiff video Blair links to is just fucken awesome!

Like the ALP and unions here – the AFL-CIO and Democrats want to ban profits.

Another goodie at Hot Air:

DNC attendees: Yeah, it’s pretty awesome to belong to the government.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 11:49 pm
Slow night in the shed, Tom?

steve from brisbane

6 Sep 12 at 11:49 pm
I have been asked on this blog about Mirabella, and agreed that investigation of her private life beyond what was reported from the court case at the time is beyond bounds. I don’t watch the gossip media.

Lol you were asked by me m0nty, 12 months after it occurred and then you were “against it”, when it doesn’t matter one whit what your opinion was. At the time though, of course there was nothing, just silence.

Christ you’re a slippery one though aren’t you?

twostix

6 Sep 12 at 11:49 pm
like how Australians should look for economic pointers to Africa where miners are paid $2 a day,

lol just like Gillard, good pet monty perpetuates a falsehood.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 11:49 pm
IT, your children will always be able to put on “Clint harassing a chair” on DVD loop to amuse you when you are in a nursing home.

I’ll watch it after Gillard and Obama’s concession speeches. Then I’ll make the nurse bend over in front of me.

Infidel Tiger

6 Sep 12 at 11:49 pm
As I have pointed out repeatedly – we have never heard from the wives as to whether they considered the marriage over before or after the Gillard relationship.

Dumb as dogshit and completely devoid of morality.

Tom

6 Sep 12 at 11:50 pm
Again, this is all classic tu quoque. Again, JC does not engage with the fact that he is a ringleader of sexist persecution on this blog. Again, JC is completely gutless when called on his bullshit.

Sexism?

Emerson and Shorten too are lying slappers.

Spin that, fuckwit.

.

6 Sep 12 at 11:50 pm
The Little Johnny Howard slur [and yes it was used in reference to his penis size] was used often accompanied by sniggering, especially in the hallowed halls of Parliament.

Oh I get it, it’s like Eastwood addressing Invisible Obama. There is a Little Johnny penis that only Gab can see. And laughter that only she can hear. Because she was there, or something?

Are you actually Niki Savva, Gab? That would explain a lot.

m0nty

6 Sep 12 at 11:51 pm
How many millions of dollars of our money did we fork out to create blogs for the zombie left (Drum, Conversation, etc)? Not good enough. They have to behave like delinquents on someone else’s private property instead.

And I wonder if they made any comment on the Anne Summers article monty linked to? None, of course? But they cannot stay away from here, despite their disparaging the site and its population. How stupid id that?!

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 11:52 pm
“I agree. Look at Eva Cox and Nicola Roxon. Their preferred policy position is hard socialism and social authoritarianism.”

What? You’re talking about their political views. Mk50 was talking about their looks.

“How about coming out and admitting The Economist is left wing, and not centre right.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

“The Little Johnny Howard slur [and yes it was used in reference to his penis size] ”

Really? Well, you learn something every day. I thought it was his small stature. When they called him the Lying Rodent, now that was a reference to his looks.

Jarrah

6 Sep 12 at 11:53 pm
“There is a Little Johnny penis that only Gab can see. And laughter that only she can hear. Because she was there, or something?”

LOL

Jarrah

6 Sep 12 at 11:54 pm
As for Rinehart, when she says stupid things like how Australians should look for economic pointers to Africa where miners are paid $2 a day, of course she’s going to be lampooned for that sort of idiocy. That’s nothing to do with her gender, and everything to do with her arguments.

The audacity of lies.

The ABC led the charge in the attacks on Rhineharts looks, Q&A called her fat and made jokes about her “hole”.

The problem with you leftists is once we scratch the surface of the “argument” we find out just how extraordinarily craven and morally bankrupt you are.

twostix

6 Sep 12 at 11:55 pm
And you who are so “gutless” that you can’t even now stand by a “witty” comment you made regarding Clinton being accused of rape question other people’s courage?

I wasn’t trying to be witty. You’re projecting, 26.

Lol you were asked by me m0nty, 12 months after it occurred and then you were “against it”, when it doesn’t matter one whit what your opinion was. At the time though, of course there was nothing, just silence.

I didn’t hear about it at the time. I’m supposed to be psychic now?

m0nty

6 Sep 12 at 11:56 pm
“How about coming out and admitting The Economist is left wing, and not centre right.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Just admit it Jarrah.

They were hostile to the Tea Party. They were enthusiastic about Obama. They are not for free trade, but slow liberalisation of managed trade. They are no longer for the Washington consensus and lower taxes for all.

Unless it has changed drastically in the last half year, I must be correct.

.

6 Sep 12 at 11:57 pm
Arguably the best stump speech master in American politics today:

MUST WATCH: Allen West gives freaking amazing labor day speech.

C.L.

6 Sep 12 at 11:57 pm
mOron – you’ve caught StevieLiar QC’s cock worship disease.

Tiny Dancer

6 Sep 12 at 11:58 pm
The ABC led the charge in the attacks on Rhineharts looks, Q&A called her fat and made jokes about her “hole”.

Wow. Sexist, derogatory, non inclusive, taxpayer funded and defended by the likes of Steve et al. here.

.

6 Sep 12 at 11:59 pm
Ah, I see jarrah and monty are now getting nasty. To be expected. Just becuase you two have never heard the real meaning behind “Little Johnny Howard” does not mean it is untrue.

Gab

6 Sep 12 at 11:59 pm
Cassata is a favourite of mine too, Gab.

dover_beach

6 Sep 12 at 11:59 pm
Another goodie at Hot Air:

DNC attendees: Yeah, it’s pretty awesome to belong to the government.

Why do you think liar-steve™ enjoys belonging to the Lying Slapper, Cl?

Would he prefer belonging to Obummer?

Can we send him off shore as a gift?

JamesK

6 Sep 12 at 11:59 pm
There is a Little Johnny penis that only Gab can see. And laughter that only she can hear. Because she was there, or something?

Look out cool edgy m0nty! Victorian Gentleman m0nty will berate you for such mysognistic, sexist comments directed at a women.

So m0nty, you’re a little hard to follow here. Is it ok to make sexual jokes about penises towards females or not?

twostix

7 Sep 12 at 12:00 am
Yes, Gab, slow as a wet week. Jacques must be having a play.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 12:00 am
He’s a short man at 5’5″,

He’s a good 4 to 5 inches taller than that. My children had their photo taken with him when he chatted to them and their dad at LA airport in 1986 after we were bumped off a flight. He’s maybe an inch taller than my husband who is a shade under 5’9”. Unless he has high heels on under those accountant’s grey trousers.

Our US friends were gobsmacked that our Leader of the Opposition would be wandering about a public airport on his own without security. Those were the days.

Megan

7 Sep 12 at 12:01 am
Furthermore Africans want to work and its workers are willing to work for less than $2 per day. Such statistics make me worry for this country’s future.

m0nty

7 Sep 12 at 12:02 am
So m0nty, you’re a little hard to follow here. Is it ok to make sexual jokes about penises towards females or not?

That’s monty’s pick-up tactic.

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 12:03 am
“They were hostile to the Tea Party. ”

Probably because the Tea Party aren’t centre-right.

“They were enthusiastic about Obama.”

No, they weren’t.

“They are not for free trade, but slow liberalisation of managed trade.”

Maybe you missed the ‘centre’ part of centre-right?

“They are no longer for the Washington consensus and lower taxes for all.”

Evidence, please.

Just admit it, Punctuation Mark. Your extreme position means even the right are to your left.

Jarrah

7 Sep 12 at 12:03 am
The easiest girl in America, Sandra Fluke:

Ryan Would Allow Women to Die in Emergency Rooms (Video).

Well it’s a step up from a 1967 Oldsmobile.

C.L.

7 Sep 12 at 12:04 am
I’ve just discovered my local pizza joint down here on the coast has cassata, Gab. A long lost fave of mine, served with cherry syrup and cream.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 12:05 am
So m0nty, you’re a little hard to follow here. Is it ok to make sexual jokes about penises towards females or not?

Again 26, I am not joking. Gab is making things up. I am calling her out on it.

I’m glad you find me so amusing.

m0nty

7 Sep 12 at 12:06 am
The CFMEU, apparently against…cancer patients:

Grocon chief Daniel Grollo wins war after CFMEU abandons illegal blockades

The Grocon dispute hit all the company’s sites in Melbourne, including the $180 million Westpac project in Collins St and a $350 million Grocon development in Footscray.

But work resumed on the cancer centre in Parkville yesterday after a backlash from patients had forced the union to back down.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/grocon-chief-daniel-grollo-wins-war-after-cfmeu-abandons-illegal-blockades/story-e6frf7kx-1226466851154

twostix

7 Sep 12 at 12:06 am
“Ah, I see jarrah and monty are now getting nasty.”

Laughing is now ‘nasty’? I think you’re being a little sensitive.

Jarrah

7 Sep 12 at 12:07 am
Furthermore Africans want to work and its workers are willing to work for less than $2 per day. Such statistics make me worry for this country’s future.

Which is totally different to what you said:

As for Rinehart, when she says stupid things like how Australians should look for economic pointers to Africa where miners are paid $2 a day,

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 12:07 am
Furthermore Africans want to work and its workers are willing to work for less than $2 per day. Such statistics make me worry for this country’s future.

Pay attention monty. An economics lesson.

It is entirely true that labour competes, with qualification. Costs might see mining go offshore. Australian costs are always going to be higher because of competition from other employers – or how mining has forced up wage rates in non boom States.

She never recommended that we lower wage rates. What matters is real unit labour costs.

A low real unit labour cost is high output (or productivity) per full wage cost.

A low real unit labour cost benefits the worker, employer and society in general.

Fortunately, other than unskilled labour, Australian workers do not compete with African workers.

However, RULC isn’t the only cost factor and a too high RULC might be the marginal cost that pushes investment elsewhere. It would also see economy wide lower real wages and wages growth.

.

7 Sep 12 at 12:07 am
I think you’re being a little sensitive.

Please. just don’t sue me.

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 12:08 am
For your reading pleasure:

Beyond Human Nature: How Culture and Experience Shape Our Lives

Jesse J. Prinz – Distinguished Professor of Philosophy at the City University of New York

Were you one of those unfortunate souls who fell under the spell of Dawkins and gene centrism? Read this book.

Did you fall into the trap of Evol. Psych? Read this book.

Are you one of those people who think we have a wide range innate cognitive and moral structures in our heads? Read this book.

Think all humans have an innate ability to count past 3? Wrong!

Prinz does a brilliant job demonstrating how easy it is to mis-interpret a vast range of psychological studies, especially in developmental psychology(Paiget be damned!). The text is replete with fascinating accounts of cross cultural and historical differences in cognitive styles and morals. He raises some fascinating questions about the ever increasing rates of psychopathology in modern society.

When I go to the library I sometimes do random hits, a way to keeping my thinking fresh and forcing me to entertain perspectives I might otherwise ignore. This book was a gem amongst the rubble that constitutes so much of modern psychology. If you want an entirely refreshing, entertaining, and illuminating exposition of how gene centrism and the “doctrine of innateness” has polluted so much of modern psychology, this book is mandatory reading.

Dead Soul

7 Sep 12 at 12:10 am
Jarrah,

The Economist on Barack Hussein Obama:

He has campaigned with more style, intelligence and discipline than his opponent. Whether he can fulfil his immense potential remains to be seen. But Mr Obama deserves the presidency

.

7 Sep 12 at 12:10 am
Again 26, I am not joking. Gab is making things up. I am calling her out on it.

M0nty you gutless coward.

How about you answer the question, that I’ve put to you five times now regarding Rhinehart and Q&A making jokes about her “hole” and the ABC in general commenting on her looks.

How about you do that?

Or are you saying that she deserves it because you don’t like her?

Here it comes: “I am against that”.

twostix

7 Sep 12 at 12:11 am
Big surprise: Retailers demand internet sales tax.

I bought a car part direct from Germany last night for 200 Euro. Was going to cost me $1700 in Oz.

Australia is a toilet.

Infidel Tiger

7 Sep 12 at 12:12 am
As for Rinehart, when she says stupid things like how Australians should look for economic pointers to Africa where miners are paid $2 a day

You’d never guess a journalist could be such a brazen fucking liar.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 12:13 am
INTERNET shopping could be about to get a lot more expensive after a government taskforce recommended tax changes that would slug shoppers an average of $60 a parcel for items sent from overseas.

A study of the $1000 tax-free threshold on internet purchases has also found the incremental revenue generated by scrapping the tax break would more than cover the cost of collecting it — undermining a long-standing government objection to imposing tax on internet shopping.

Earlier this year we were told emphatically that this would never happen.

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 12:14 am
Furthermore Africans want to work and its workers are willing to work for less than $2 per day. Such statistics make me worry for this country’s future.

Reary? So firms don’t compete for labor, Monst.

No fucking wonder you failed first year Monash economics, you moron.

Stick a fucking ad in the employment section and see how many takers you get at 2 bucks an hour, you imbecile.

It’s true, leftwing idiots don’t understand economics.

Dimwit, Monst? Labor rates here are a function of the market participants bidding for labor at rates which they hope to attract labor.

Even Krugman would laugh at you because he believes in the marginal productivity theory, as he’s said so many times.

You indescribable twit.

Unfuckingbelieveable what we have to put up with here.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:15 am
Gab is making things up. I am calling her out on it.

Thew hell I’m making things up! Just because you’ve never heard it doesn’t not mean I am lying.

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 12:17 am
Here it comes: “I am against that”.

Yea, like I’m waiting for that too. It’s always when we stick his fat head in a vice and tighten it though.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:17 am
Dead Soul

Have a look at this

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Human-Nature-Culture-Experience/dp/0713998172

Wow. A lot of hostility in the reviews. They even seem to give the opposite impression of the content that you described.

I was thinking of buying it. I find stuff on learning styles etc fascinating.

.

7 Sep 12 at 12:17 am
She never recommended that we lower wage rates. What matters is real unit labour costs.

Bullshit, Dot. She wants to create an economic exclusion zone where she ships in those African workers at much closer to that $2 a day than an Australian worker gets. And now Hockey is dog whistling in support.

m0nty

7 Sep 12 at 12:18 am
You’d never guess a journalist could be such a brazen fucking liar.

If he’s leftwing you can. sure. In fact you have to assume s/he’s lying.

I wish Fisk was here.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:19 am
Bullshit, Dot. She wants to create an economic exclusion zone where she ships in those African workers at much closer to that $2 a day than an Australian worker gets.

Reary? Which government would allow that to happen.

I fucking would in a heart beat, but I’m not the next government
.

And now Hockey is dog whistling in support.

Monst, as Steyn said, if you hear the dog whistle, you’re the fucking dog.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:22 am
You are such a crashing bore, JC.

m0nty

7 Sep 12 at 12:23 am
Everytime I think of Howard I get penis envy.

Junius, you’re an omega male. Of course you have penis envy. You don’t have one.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:24 am
She wants to create an economic exclusion zone where she ships in those African workers at much closer to that $2 a day than an Australian worker gets.

You are now officially a fruitloop. Put on your clown pants. FMD.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 12:25 am
Bullshit, Dot. She wants to create an economic exclusion zone where she ships in those African workers at much closer to that $2 a day than an Australian worker gets.

Right.

So RULC is “bullshit”? (no wonder you failed economics at uni)

If she doesn’t want a labour force and wants to keep the projects that are based in Australia, she’d automate.

Where is she going to find African engineers and technicians coming here being paid that little?

I worked with a guy from Ethiopia and he was paid a six figure salary. He was an academic and later became a consultant.

What do you think he’d do if his wage rate was cut from $55 per hour to $2 per hour?

I’ll give you a mad tip: he’d get a new job.

.

7 Sep 12 at 12:25 am
Hilarious stuff from their ABC:

ABC1′s Lateline on Wednesday:

TONY Jones: OK. Now your predecessor, Maurice Newman, accused the ABC of group think. Do you see any evidence at all in the organisation that there is group think?

ABC Chairman Jim Spigelman: I certainly hope so. I mean, I wouldn’t want there to be any doubt about issues like genocide, slavery, torture. There are areas where group think is the right response.

Webster Merriam dictionary, definition of group think:

A PATTERN of thought characterised by self-deception, forced manufacture of consent, and conformity to group values and ethics.

Who cares about ratings! Mark Scott, The Drum, Tuesday:

IT is not about winning the ratings but about finding the best possible audience for the kind of content we are best able to deliver.

Er, we do. Scott, The Drum again:

THE first myth is that we don’t care about ratings. The truth is, we do.

And there’s more from Cut&Paste

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 12:25 am
You are such a crashing bore, JC.

You ought to fucking talk Monst. You epitomize boring.

You failed economics. You have no fucking idea what it all means and you post platitudinous crap here with every single one of your comments.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:26 am
The deranged bizarro world of the Yarralumla Che Guevara:

Premiers to blame for strike rise: ALP.

WORKPLACE Relations Minister Bill Shorten has blamed conservative premiers for a surge in industrial disputation that has seen the number of lost working days rise to their highest level since 2004.

C.L.

7 Sep 12 at 12:26 am
Gina wants to leave her mark on the blues by importing Africans to WA and creating the ‘Pilbara Blues’ sound.

Load up on the colloidal silver and orgone, freak.

What other BS scares you? HAARP? Flu injections?

.

7 Sep 12 at 12:27 am
Please don’t try to do comedy,Junius. It doesn’t work with a metaphorical c**k up your arse, which is the left’s default position.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 12:29 am
How about you answer the question, that I’ve put to you five times now regarding Rhinehart and Q&A making jokes about her “hole” and the ABC in general commenting on her looks.

I don’t recall you asking me that. I haven’t got the time to follow your every utterance in open threads and I don’t google you. You’re not that important to me, 26, sorry to break it to you.

As for Barry’s comments, they were rather artless and should have been withdrawn. He was trying to make a pun, and it didn’t work. There’s something about those boomer exiles who descended on Blighty in the 60s and are now entering old age. That something is senescence. Greer is also past it, she is just not relevant. It’s a bit like asking Lou Richards about Mick Malthouse. Just leave him be in the nursing home, dammit.

m0nty

7 Sep 12 at 12:33 am
I have that nasty feeling in my gut that mad dog bob ellis aka maxwell Scream is back as Junius.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:34 am
We will decide what Africans come to this country and the circumstances under which Gina wants them to come.

Except those that come by boat and are on welfare after 5 years. Right Fuckface Bob? You like those Africans, yea?

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:36 am
I have that nasty feeling in my gut that mad dog bob ellis aka maxwell Scream is back as Junius.

Agree. It’s a wind-up toy. But it has a mental age of about 15.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 12:39 am
Tom

It’s Bob. I can smell that fat disgusting carcass from hundreds of miles away.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:42 am
The Toe Sucker is consistent on Bill O’Reilly:

Bill O’Reilly: I think that Bill Clinton wants Barack Obama reelected. Would you disagree with that?

Dick Morris: Oh, absolutely. I absolutely.

O’Reilly: Do you think he wants him to lose.

Morris: I guarantee you, based on what I know that Bill Clinton wants Obama defeated.

O’Reilly: But it’s easier for Hillary to step in after Obama’s 8 years than it would be if Romney gets a shot and does well. Come on.

Morris: No. Because after 8 years of Obama no Democrat will get elected for the next 100 years.

JamesK

7 Sep 12 at 12:45 am
Hey Dot

The ECB president has announced an unlimited bond buying program, but he also said that it will be sterilized. How the fuck can they do that? Okay that can but if they go out and say buy 10 year Spanish bonds they would have to sell another maturity so it only become a twist operation and not a QE. In other words they would just fuck around with the yield curve.

He also said that if they buy say spanish paper (my example) they won’t go out and sell say German bonds (my example again)

If I’m right then that’s no big deal.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:46 am
Karl Rove, WSJ: The President’s Fountain of Youth Is Drying Up
In 2008 young voters chose Obama over McCain by 66% to 32%. Today he leads Romney by 49% to 41%.

The July poll by Generation Opportunity reported that 84% of young Americans are delaying important decisions or feel their plans are in jeopardy. More than a third—38%—are delaying finding their own place. Some 31% said they are delaying starting a family, and 23% said they are delaying getting married. Dangerously for the president, 76% believe the lack of job opportunities—not the lack of government—is shrinking the middle class.

On every front, Mr. Obama is on the defensive, fighting to keep states and voter groups in his winning coalition. He can absorb some erosion from his 2008 totals, but not much. Right now the signs are ominous for him.

Mr. Romney—with his young and personable running mate, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan—can make real inroads with frustrated and disappointed millennials who supported Mr. Obama four years ago. These young voters are willing to give Messrs. Romney and Ryan a hearing. The Republican ticket has 61 days to persuade them that the GOP is the party of opportunity and ideas.

JamesK

7 Sep 12 at 12:50 am
more

Here’s what he said about my question.

In another potential sop to the Bundesbank, Draghi said all bond purchases would be “sterilized” by taking in an equivalent amount in deposits from banks to avoid any risk of inflation.

Okay, but how exactly do they take in deposits? So the ECB is going into the deposit business? WTF?

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:51 am
Julia Gillard is a fool, an unflushable turd, a scheming, mendacious little girl who silenced dissent, corrupted the public debate and used left-wing climate activists to indoctrinate the nation. She is also far and away the worst prime minister in living memory who has a pre-fascist fetish to attack the wealthy and middle-class Australia. Under her government, Australia is headed towards an increasingly authoritarian trajectory of the political culture, ensuring we become a backwater, racially divided and inward-looking country. Gillard is condemned at the court of world opinion as callous and inhumane.

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 12:52 am
George Will, Wa-Po– Obama: the real radical

“Government is a relation of give and take.” The “rulers” — FDR’s word — take power from the people, who in turn are given “certain rights.”

This, says Kesler, is “the First Law of Big Government: the more power we give the government, the more rights it will give us.” It also is the ultimate American radicalism, striking at the roots of the American regime, the doctrine of natural rights. Remember this when next — perhaps tonight — Obama discourses on the radicalism of Paul Ryan.

As Kesler says, the logic of progressivism is: “Since our rights are dependent on government, why shouldn’t we be?” This is the real meaning of Obama’s most characteristic rhetorical trope, his incessant warning that Americans should be terrified of being “on your own.”

Obama, the fourth transformative progressive, had a chief of staff who said “you never want a serious crisis to go to waste.” More than a century before that, a man who would become the first such progressive said that a crisis is a terrible thing not to create. Crises, said Wilson, are periods of “unusual opportunity” for gaining “a controlling and guiding influence.” So, he said, leaders should maintain a crisis atmosphere “at all times.”

RTWT

JamesK

7 Sep 12 at 12:58 am
Gab – too many words … Gillard is a lying slapper.

Nanuestalker

7 Sep 12 at 1:08 am
Julia Gillard is a fool, an unflushable turd, a scheming, mendacious little girl who silenced dissent, corrupted the public debate and used left-wing climate activists to indoctrinate the nation. She is also far and away the worst prime minister in living memory who has a pre-fascist fetish to attack the wealthy and middle-class Australia. Under her government, Australia is headed towards an increasingly authoritarian trajectory of the political culture, ensuring we become a backwater, racially divided and inward-looking country. Gillard is condemned at the court of world opinion as callous and inhumane.

All true.

C.L.

7 Sep 12 at 1:12 am
David Frum points out Bill Clinton’s greatest economic achievement:

As Bill Clinton collects his accolades, let’s recall: the key decisions that inflated the housing bubble of the 2000s – and that laid waste to the US economy in 2008 — were taken under Bill Clinton’s administration: the decision to leave derivative trading unregulated, the decision to allow deposit-taking institutions to engage in proprietary trading, the pressure on banks to relax mortgage lending standards, the decision to allow Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to grow enormously large thanks to the implicit subsidy of the government guarantee of their bonds and borrowing.

If President Obama inherited a mess not of his own making, it should be remembered of whose making the mess was.

The Housing Bubble? Clinton Helped Build That.

C.L.

7 Sep 12 at 1:20 am
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Though the 2012 Democratic Party platform declares that the “national security threat from climate change is real, urgent, and severe,” it is apparently not urgent and severe enough to merit mention by speakers at the Democratic National Convention during the past two days.

The Daily Caller reviewed the speech transcripts of the over 80 speakers who took the stage at the Time Warner Cable Arena here in Charlotte on Tuesday and Wednesday, and only one mentioned climate change — and even he only mentioned it in passing.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/06/climate-change-so-serious-democrats-mention-it-once-in-over-80-speeches-over-two-days/#ixzz25hZzPhBw

Gillard’s delusion:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/now_even_japan_wont_touch_a_carbon_tax_either/

Ivan Denisovich

7 Sep 12 at 1:25 am
Chris Matthews: ‘If Bill Clinton Landed on Mars, He Would Know How to Do it with Them, He Would Know How to Reproduce’

Chris Matthews, reacting to Bill Clinton’s convention speech last night, said, “I always figured that if Bill Clinton landed on Mars, he would know how to do it with them, he would know how to reproduce, he would know everything. He’d just instinctively know how to talk to people.”

JamesK

7 Sep 12 at 1:30 am
…national security threat from climate change is real…

LOL.

No. No it isn’t.

C.L.

7 Sep 12 at 1:30 am
national security threat from climate change is real, urgent, and severe

It’s the greatest moral and economic challenge of our time. Oh, nevermind…….

Ivan Denisovich

7 Sep 12 at 1:47 am
Potemkin’s Village

If Jim Wallace really wanted to offend the PM… here

Grigory Potemkin

7 Sep 12 at 3:18 am
This is odd. I can’t access any of the News Ltd blogs (Bolt, Blair, Devine) at the moment.

sdog

7 Sep 12 at 5:38 am
Julius is no longer here.

Sinclair Davidson

7 Sep 12 at 5:38 am
Cheers to the Doomlord, bouncer par excellence !

P.S. I caaaaaan connect to News Ltd bogs after all, it’s just a slooooow process.

Can’t be my connection, since I’m having no problems with any other sites. Odd.

sdog

7 Sep 12 at 5:53 am
This is beautiful.

Dr. Barbara Bellar Candidate for Illinois State Senate, District 18 sums up Obamacare in one sentence. — This oughta go viral.

Let me get this straight. (This is a long sentence.)

We’re going to be gifted with a healthcare plan
we are forced to purchase, and fined if we don’t,
which puportedly covers at least 10 million more people,
without adding a single new doctor,
but provides for 16000 new IRS agents,
written by a committee
whose chairman says he doesn’t understand it,
passed by a congress that didn’t read it
but exempted themselves from it,
and signed by a president who smokes,
with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes,
for which we will be taxed for four years
before any benefits take effect,
by a government which has already backrupted social security
and medicare,
all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese
and financed by a country that’s broke.
So what the [blank] could possibly go wrong?

(via Legal Insurrection)

sdog

7 Sep 12 at 6:08 am
Like Mark Antony, he came to bury Julius, not to praise him.
I have an eyrie sense of foreboding!
Beware the steves that march!
And Montague a mere Crapulet will be,
Ere Doomlord rests his sword.

Blogstrop

7 Sep 12 at 6:24 am
I’ll pay that one Grigory. Why Christians expressing an opinion about homosexuality as a lifestyle should create so much backlash is a mystery, or would be if we were not so in thrall to PC idiocy. I was totally amazed at the language Warren Entsch (spelling?) was using on last night’s radio reports.
For that matter, why the ACL asked an atheist PM to speak at their convention is also a mystery. There are perfectly good Christian pollies they can get to stand in, and should have in the first place.

Blogstrop

7 Sep 12 at 6:33 am
Blogstrop @ 6:24 is lucky I wasn’t drinking coffee just now. LOL.

sdog

7 Sep 12 at 6:43 am
Speaking of conventions, there’s a video going around showing the Dem convention in disarray during a vote on the voices to amend or perhaps “patch up” based on polling their bloopers re Jerusalem and god-given. The big O has spoken and sees his jewish vote as needing a bit of massaging.
Given the left leaning media’s alacrity when siezing on perceived gaffes by the Romney camp, the way they spin or ignore this one will be interesting to see. The whole convention had a Biden moment.
I won’t try and link, too fraught on ipad.

Blogstrop

7 Sep 12 at 6:45 am
why the ACL asked an atheist PM to speak at their convention is also a mystery.

Add to that a two time adulterous home wrecker. The ACL may as well asked Salome to speak and bring the head of ~~John the Baptist~~ Tony Abbott.

Splatacrobat

7 Sep 12 at 6:46 am
Dog, You’re correct. News Limited addresses are chronically slow loaders. Don’t know why. Someone will.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 6:51 am
Yeah, Tom – I run both Ad Block Pro to block the bandwidth-wasting ads and Ghostery to block the trackers, but still I have no end of trouble with News Ltd blogs that I just don’t have anywhere else.

sdog

7 Sep 12 at 6:55 am
Anyone see the courier mail article claiming an independent review of Costello’s audit of Qld’s finances by the Quigster and and funded by the unions found Costello to b full of crap?

Bwahahahaha! As if Quiggan ever met a government expenditure he didn’t like.

Entropy

7 Sep 12 at 7:02 am
Just got two more “Gateway Timeouts”, one on Bolt’s and one on Blair’s. Poo.

Say, if there are any Theodore Dalrymple fans here, I just recently discovered several of his books available for Kindle at around the $4.00-$5.00 mark. Just started reading “Life At The Bottom”. CLICK.

sdog

7 Sep 12 at 7:04 am
Life At The Bottom will give you nightmares.

Abu Chowdah

7 Sep 12 at 7:09 am
If nothing else, it gives your call to put a moratorium on immigration from the UK new urgency, Abu.

sdog

7 Sep 12 at 7:11 am
Dog, at this very moment for me, Blair and Bolt are breaking loading speed records for me. Rats must be eating the Nullabor phone cable.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 7:14 am
Michael Smith takes the piss..

That is too bizarre – but it is real. Miss Gillard said it. She didn’t say this but I can imagine it, “God we pissed ourselves, Craig needed a slash bad and he had a shocking bottom-of-the-cocky-cage mouth after a biggie that was on one or another of the various slush funds we had established and he just skolled the glass of water with me contacts in it. Then the phone rang and it was Mrs Emerson and I had to shut up while he was all serious and God it was a scream.
“Union slush fund one week, watching Craig in his smalls swallow your contacts the next. And the member for Dobell’s doing a great job and he has my full support. And Bruce distressed me bad and done me wrong but I done nuffin’, you got nuffin’ on me. I’ll have your job if you keep going.

Rudiau

7 Sep 12 at 7:35 am
Rats must be eating the Nullabor phone cable.

The NBN is sucking all the goodness out of what was already a fast enough broad band service.

Splatacrobat

7 Sep 12 at 7:37 am
Not misandry just a Bruced ego!

Now that’s funny.

Rudiau

7 Sep 12 at 8:14 am
Earlier this year we were told emphatically that this would never happen.

When Gerry Harvey raised this that moron Swan decided to ignore the important message about the tax base and thought it was a great opportunity to play the politics of hate and envy.

WAYNE Swan has branded retailer Gerry Harvey a whinger after the Harvey Norman boss declared he’d given up trying to compete with GST-free online retailers.

Like their policy on illegal immigration, the Carbin Tax & host of other issues, Labor is onto the story 1 year after it is raised.

Token

7 Sep 12 at 8:15 am
JC,

Sort of to the Q 2, which partially answers Q 1.

I think Draghi reckons he can do it by matching expected inflation, output and pre existing bond maturities.

So in a way, it is like stuffing around with deposits.

“Hey, more money supply, and no balance sheet!”

If he has another way, buggered if I know.

.

7 Sep 12 at 8:17 am
Wow, these deflationist idiots are everywhere.

http://blogs.wsj.com/eurocrisis/2012/09/06/the-ecb-sterilization-and-money-supply/?mod=google_news_blog

1:12 pm September 6, 2012
ECB Sterilization = Deflation wrote :
This action doesn’t fundamentally change anything. All it does is swap bad national debts with ECB debt.

This doesn’t solve the liquidity problem. It may help some banks because ECB debt is easier to transact than bad national debt; however, if everybody is trying to transact ECB debt there still needs to be a buyer. Who is going to buy all this ECB debt?

In short this act may help interbank cooperation but it won’t help the liquidity crisis that exists in most markets. The consequence is highly probably to be more deflation.

Thank you, ECB, thank you for nothing!

So increasing money supply over a short period of 2-3 years won’t help bank liquidity?

Some of these debt deflationists are truly worse than conspiracy nutters.

.

7 Sep 12 at 8:22 am
Labor’s economic illiterates, from Gillard and Swan down, and their media sycophants rail against reality and commonsense:

A seemingly self-serving economics lecture by one of the world’s richest women, whose fortune owes as much to progeny as to acumen, may not be a marketing triumph but it doesn’t blunt the truth of her message.

And the truth hurts. Australia has become excessively expensive, with price increases concentrated in parts of the economy the government meddles most with, such as health and education.

The commonwealth parliament passed a farcical 7100 pages of legislation last year, compared with 358 in 1958. The tax system requires 21,000 bureaucrats to enforce, and the federal departments of health and education employ almost 10,000 people.

Far from being loopy, Rinehart’s remarks reflect standard, even boring, economic theory, entwined with a classically liberal philosophy that unwieldy government undermines national and individual prosperity.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 8:51 am
As the Lefty howler monkeys scream for decency, their heroes continue to show that the vapid statements are just a political tactic.

Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., told the Huffington Post today that the gay rights group the Log Cabin Republicans model themselves after “Uncle Tom,” the servile black slave character in the novel Uncle Tom’s Cabin.

What is the response by the gays Frank attacked with that vile slur? A noble response:

“As far as Log Cabin Republicans are concerned, it’s a badge of honor to be attacked by a partisan hack like Barney Frank,” said Log Cabin Republicans Executive Director R. Clarke Cooper. “We understand that Barney has earned his protected place within the Democrat Party by being their attack dog on gay rights issues, demonizing Republicans and undermining efforts at bipartisanship that would actually improve LGBT Americans lives. We expect this kind of bile from Barney, especially when it plays into the Obama campaign’s efforts to divide, distract and deceive the American people.”

Which do you respect?

Token

7 Sep 12 at 8:56 am
The Keynesian consensus is coming to an end in Japan….maybe.

“The government running out of money is not a story made up. It’s a real threat,” said Japan’s finance minister Jun Azumi on Friday. Opposition parties in Japan are blocking a deficit financing bill which would allow the government to continue to drive its debt levels above 200pc of GDP. If the opposition holds firm, the government has threatened the unthinkable – it will spend less. Tax rises are also on the table, although the doubling of sales tax to 10pc will not come fully into force until 2015.

Rudiau

7 Sep 12 at 9:01 am
An Obama win may trigger a socialist revival in Australia, Tony Abbott may fall. Turnbull has already made a start on his demolition. I could live with a Turnbull government as long as he got rid of Chris Pine Julie Bishop and Ruddock. And anybody else from the Howard era.

alan

7 Sep 12 at 9:07 am
Life At The Bottom will give you nightmares.

I dunno.

I have had a chainsaw pulled out mid conversation at a bikies home (didn’t know who he was, I was told it would be a short visit to pick up a posession), who regaled us with tales of petty crime as we struggled to keep our eyes off his very attractive much younger girlfriend who could have married up to say a doctor or a barrister if she was self aware. As a customer I have had a guy hired on the cheap at a recycling yard who was mentally disturbed spin the biggest load of shit to me for 30 minutes and pull out a knife mid conversation. I’ve heard of people with their garbage bins in the middle of their living rooms. I’ve seen dogs (ugly motherfuckers bred to fight from hunting stock) eating faeces out of nappies thrown out of a front lawn. I went to a decent school but near a bad area where people feared to walk at night due to the locals but by day because of roaming dogs. I’ve seen a mentally disturbed drug addict terrorise busloads of commuters on the same route over and over again. I’ve seen steroid, alcohol and GHB fueled violence blow up out of almost nothing from civility and fun to affray and sheer terror. I know a guy who basically dropped out of school in year seven and for years his peers (mostly university educated) struggled to stop his constant bullshitting and ignorance (he’s fine now, besides a bad marriage). I’ve had to put up with ethnic gangs terrorising commuters and the local white kids beat up a disabled man. I’ve had friends mugged on city rail and I think probably once myself almost near central station if I didn’t realise something bad was going to happen and I didn’t run like hell. I’ve been a juror and the accused was a filthy scumbag of a parent who raised her kids to be criminals ala Fagan.

My answer is that life is pretty shithouse, as an unbiased observer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37QUUwp9xIs

.

7 Sep 12 at 9:10 am
Labor’s economic illiterates, from Gillard and Swan down, and their media sycophants rail against reality and commonsense:

The criminal syndicate that rules the country know the EQ of the Stenographers is close to zero, therefore when they throw down some red meat hate and envy, their dogs devour it without question.

As I noted above, they did the same to Gerry Harvey to get him to shut up. They did it to Twiggy Forest.

Will they change? Look at the postings from M0nty, the Steves & Jarrah last night. That is emotionally crippled audience they are pitching to.

Token

7 Sep 12 at 9:13 am
Turnbull has already made a start on his demolition.

Yep.He is in negations with the ALP to lead them in the upcoming elections.

Rudiau

7 Sep 12 at 9:14 am
“negotiations” …Fme.

Rudiau

7 Sep 12 at 9:15 am
Look at the postings from M0nty, the Steves & Jarrah last night. That is emotionally crippled audience they are pitching to.

What the hell are you talking about?

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 9:20 am
This new assault on online sales – it makes me despair. When faced with competition from international markets, the Australian ~~gougers~~ retailers cry unfair and ask the government to tax their customers.

Did it ever occur to any of these nitwits to, you know, perhaps ask the government to remove some of the crushing burden that makes Australian retail so expensive?

I buy virtually nothing in Australian stores, unless I am time-strapped to buy it, or it’s too big to be shipped. I do my clothes shopping in the USA, I purchase car parts from the USA, books from the USA, electronics from Hong Kong or wherever else. And why not? The cost of a return flight to Los Angeles or Hong Kong can easily be offset by savings if you purchase a decent amount of stuff. Purchase just 5 pairs of jeans in the USA and you’ve saved yourself about $400 over the ridiculous pricing here. Throw in a pair of running shoes, some decent shirts and maybe a suit and you’ve paid for your airfare and the hotel.

Even if they slug me $60 per parcel for online deliveries, I’ll continue to do it. But I’ll hate Harvey Norman and his cohorts even more, and I’ll vow not to set foot in their stores, except maybe to spray abuse at the clay-footed dimwits that work in there and wouldn’t know the specifications and features of a product if you stapled the manual to their forehead.

Remember the mining tax? That was supposed to cut small business tax rates. In the too-hard basket that went, with naked vote buying instead. I suppose Gillard probably held it up to the light and said ‘small business don’t vote for us anyway, let’s give it to the pokie demographic’.

Australian retailers should be pushing for exemption from payroll tax, leave loading, ridiculous penalty rates, unfair dismissal, carbon tax, fair work Australia, ridiculous council zoning laws and every other tax and regulation that drives them to be so uncompetitive.

But no. Instead they want to use the power of government to tax the very customers they want to walk in the doors.

‘The taxing will continue until sales improve’

brc

7 Sep 12 at 9:25 am
Good piece in the Oz:

Far from loopy, Rinehart espouses standard economic and liberal theory lnkd.in/wMqFaz— Adam Creighton (@Adam_Creighton) September 6, 2012

sdog

7 Sep 12 at 9:30 am
Julian is gone, but his “twin” Alan remains. Sigh.

Token

7 Sep 12 at 9:30 am
As the Lefty howler monkeys scream for decency, their heroes continue to show that the vapid statements are just a political tactic.

Token, that statement from Barney gave a lot of barely-closeted gay-haters on the Left permission of sorts to let their bile flow. Check some of the responses.

sdog

7 Sep 12 at 9:34 am
Even if they slug me $60 per parcel for online deliveries, I’ll continue to do it. But I’ll hate Harvey Norman and his cohorts even more, and I’ll vow not to set foot in their stores,

I agree with everything you say as I too find Australian retailers overpriced and service staff in Oz appalling.

As you note, the prices reflect so much over-regulation and taxes that make clothing and household goods unaffordable.

Each time I go to Taiwan I am stunned by the lack of attitude and dedication to help of the people in every store.

That said. That moronic GST loophole should be closed and Goose should be taken out and flogged for incompetence.

Token

7 Sep 12 at 9:34 am
I’ve had friends mugged on city rail and I think probably once myself almost near central station if I didn’t realise something bad was going to happen and I didn’t run like hell. I’ve been a juror and the accused was a filthy scumbag of a parent who raised her kids to be criminals ala Fagan.

My answer is that life is pretty shithouse, as an unbiased observer.

I think that you are confusing the criminal class with just about everybody else.

alan

7 Sep 12 at 9:38 am
My point is the bottom is fucking everywhere. Unfortunately Darymple isn’t prophetic as some think he is for Australia.

.

7 Sep 12 at 9:43 am
Bawnee has now distinguished himself as a racist thug.
Fitting.

Keith

7 Sep 12 at 9:44 am
brc

Australian retailers should be pushing for exemption from payroll tax, leave loading, ridiculous penalty rates, unfair dismissal, carbon tax, fair work Australia, ridiculous council zoning laws and every other tax and regulation that drives them to be so uncompetitive.

Productivity Commission last year concluded the tax exemption on internet purchases was not the main reason Australian retailers were more expensive than foreign websites.
—————————————
The taskforce also found that the cost of collecting GST and import duty would be more than outweighed by the revenue collected, even if the GST-free threshold were dropped from its present level of $1000 to just $100.

Modelling undertaken by the taskforce found that reducing the threshold to zero would result in a net cost of $4.78 an item to collect tax and duty, but halving the exemption to $500 would result in costs of $20.19 an item; more than covered by charges of $60.46.

Ah..Modelling..What could possibly go wrong?
Who did the taskforce comprise of, I wonder?
The Australian

Rudiau

7 Sep 12 at 9:51 am
That said. That moronic GST loophole should be closed and Goose should be taken out and flogged for incompetence.

Please. Asking Goose to fix something is equivalent to advocating national destruction.

Keith

7 Sep 12 at 9:57 am
Lang Hancock, father of Gina Rinehart, had his own thoughts about a special northern zone.

m0nty

7 Sep 12 at 10:30 am
Gillard arrives in Russia today for APEC.

Will she:

1. Meet Putin?
2. Fawn over Putin like she does Obama?
3. Eat the “Ear of Rudd” soup available from APEC cafeteria?

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 10:31 am
Rinehart’s increasingly frequent forays into public policy should surprise no-one. Australia’s richest woman inherited not only her father’s lucrative mining interests, but his unfashionable ideas too.

m0nty

7 Sep 12 at 10:32 am
You hysterical idiot, monty. Are you seriously comparing special economic zones – an idea with a long pedigree in economic policy – with compulsory sterilisation?

jtfsoon

7 Sep 12 at 10:35 am
Say, if there are any Theodore Dalrymple fans here, I just recently discovered several of his books available for Kindle at around the $4.00-$5.00 mark. Just started reading “Life At The Bottom”. CLICK.

For the miserly, “Life At The Bottom” can actually be read for free online as the chapters are articles from City Journal and they’re all still online, see here. (Although you do miss out on the introduction if you read it that way). It is definitely a must-read.

Andreas

7 Sep 12 at 10:36 am
Seems to me, Jason, that father and daughter have both called for special zones to be set up in the north where the normal rules of law don’t apply.

m0nty

7 Sep 12 at 10:36 am
Adam Creighton even said today that Gina inherited Lang’s ideas. Adam is a former adviser to Abbott, so his word is trustworthy (because he wrote it down).

m0nty

7 Sep 12 at 10:41 am
There is a big difference between saying ‘the laws against abduction and unlawful detention don’t apply’ and saying we should have a lower minimum wage which reflects the lower cost of living.

Each State has slightly different OHS and IR provisions. By your logic this is against ‘the rule of law’ and the same regulations should apply everywhere in Australia.

jtfsoon

7 Sep 12 at 10:42 am
Adam Creighton even said today that Gina inherited Lang’s ideas.

What a dishonest defamer you are. He was referring to Lang Hancock’s economic ideas.

jtfsoon

7 Sep 12 at 10:43 am
‘Special economic zones’ isn’t about sterilisation, you hysterical doofus.

They have been used in China, they were advocated by Jack Kemp to deal with poverty in the US and the same idea can be found in the concept of ‘charter cities’ advocated by Paul Romer

jtfsoon

7 Sep 12 at 10:45 am
Monty, do you actually understand the concept and function of special economic zones? It becomes clearer everytime you open your mouth you’re an economic illiterate with a bad case of irrational envy like your doomed heroes in the Marxist government.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 10:46 am
http://chartercities.org/concept

jtfsoon

7 Sep 12 at 10:48 am
Adam Creighton even said today that Gina inherited Lang’s ideas.

One of his “ideas”:

“THE quickest and most effective means of attracting money to the north of Australia is to declare (for a trial period of 20 years) a tax holiday for all workers and salary earners.”

Creighton continues…

Hancock was animated by distaste for bureaucratic and centralised government in Canberra. He railed relentlessly against the insidious and enervating impact of taxation — “the largest extractive industry in the world”, he said.

Along with advertising king John Singleton, he helped found the Workers Party in the mid-1970s to agitate against the massive expansion of government initiated by Gough Whitlam.

“If you want to help the poor and our next generation, make investment, reinvestment and businesses welcome. High-tax socialist policies don’t create jobs, business and investment do,” Rinehart said recently, pointing out Australia was mired in costly labour regulation, investment-sapping taxes and carping jealousy fanned by a pusillanimous political class…

And the truth hurts. Australia has become excessively expensive, with price increases concentrated in parts of the economy the government meddles most with, such as health and education.

The commonwealth parliament passed a farcical 7100 pages of legislation last year, compared with 358 in 1958. The tax system requires 21,000 bureaucrats to enforce, and the federal departments of health and education employ almost 10,000 people.

Far from being loopy, Rinehart’s remarks reflect standard, even boring, economic theory, entwined with a classically liberal philosophy that unwieldy government undermines national and individual prosperity.

monty has Gina derangement syndrome.

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 10:48 am
But Gab
Those people in the north would be oppressed by not being able to pay taxes subject to the same rule of law as us

jtfsoon

7 Sep 12 at 10:52 am
I think the NT should be exempt from FIRB review and wage regulation, and have no payroll tax or income tax.

Actually it would be good if it applied to all territories. Christmas Island is an embarrassment. They’ve got crabs and reffos. Woo hoo.

Canberra might produce its own economic base from agriculture, tourism, mining and IT.

.

7 Sep 12 at 10:53 am
“What the hell are you talking about?”

Steve, don’t feed the troll.

Jarrah

7 Sep 12 at 10:55 am
Note that I think it’s at all important but photos of John Howard with his cabinet certainly don’t make him look tall

SteveC

7 Sep 12 at 10:55 am
Canberra might produce its own economic base from agriculture, tourism, mining and IT.

Canberra produces its own economic base from government, and possibly porn

jtfsoon

7 Sep 12 at 10:56 am
That said. That moronic GST loophole should be closed and Goose should be taken out and flogged for incompetence.

Why? Neither the good nor their service are being provided in Australia.

Australian retailers can go root themselves with a rusty star picket.

Infidel Tiger

7 Sep 12 at 10:58 am
Putin and Obama

http://www.tomatobubble.com/putin_obama.html

jtfsoon

7 Sep 12 at 10:59 am
Gab asserts [Gillard] has broken up two marriages (that we know of). How do you “know” that Gab, what is your source?

Secondly, earlier I asked your definition of “slapper’, but you didn’t answer. It appears from the above your definition is “marriage-breaker”. That’s not a typical interpretation of the word.

SteveC

7 Sep 12 at 10:59 am
Published on Jun 19, 2012 by GCCMelbourne

Talking head newscast discussing the ‘Aboriginal problem’. In this instance, Lang Hancock offers sterilisation as a solution to the problem.

Adam Creighton even said today that Gina inherited Lang’s ideas. Adam is a former adviser to Abbott, so his word is trustworthy (because he wrote it down.

alan

7 Sep 12 at 11:00 am
monty has Gina derangement syndrome.

It’s significant that there’s a 99% correlation between GDS with Rupert Devil Syndrome (RDS) and AbbottAbbottAbbott Syndrome (AAAD).

Of course, correlation is not causation but there are definitely a strong case for several million dollars in ARC grants.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 11:00 am
“Note that I think it’s at all important but photos of John Howard with his cabinet certainly don’t make him look tall”

what lovely pics of Joe Hockey and his litle boy. that little tyke just about stole the show.

thanks for putting that up, SteveC.

candy

7 Sep 12 at 11:01 am
Ah, so our resident Tartuffe has dropped last night’s baton, and picked up a new one, the rule of law, having never shown any concern for it so far as it regards, say, Obama’s direction to federal law enforcement officers to ignore current federal immigration law where that law is inconsistent with the policy of the Obama Administration.

dover_beach

7 Sep 12 at 11:06 am
Even if the 2 (or more) marriages were going through a rough patch, and what marriage doesn’t, Ms Gillard marched in there and polished them off didn’t she without a backward glance by looks of things.

Not learning by the first ‘mistake’ but apparently ready for another go at someone else’s marriage, by looks of things.

candy

7 Sep 12 at 11:08 am
mOnty is on the Catallaxy payroll as a comment generator. Please don’t expect him to be consistent.

He’s a comment whore for hire.

Infidel Tiger

7 Sep 12 at 11:11 am
I missed that one candy – yes, very cute!

SteveC

7 Sep 12 at 11:19 am
Earlier this year we were told emphatically that this would never happen.

Harvey and others have been lobbying pretty hard on this. I don’t see how this would be even vaguely politically doable unless the retailers are making huge donations to both the ALP and Libs and the policy becomes bipartisan. Because there will be a huge populist protest on this with a lot of votes up for grabs.

$60 per package is much more than the GST for a lot of overseas purchases and in practice it will be a huge administrative nightmare. How are they going to distinguish between gifts and purchases? How small a package are they going to intercept – when I buy very small things they often just arrive in envelopes.

As you note, the prices reflect so much over-regulation and taxes that make clothing and household goods unaffordable.

There are many examples where this is not the case – cameras are a good example. Often you can buy retail from overseas websites cheaper than than retailers in Australia can buy from the manufacturer on their wholesale pricing. Pre easy internet purchasing the manufacturers knew they had a fairly wealthy but captive market and knew they could get away with higher margins.

Digital software sales are another classic example – exact same software (or music/video) served from the same servers and with essentially little to no local presence but they charge Australians significantly more. Because they know most consumers don’t know how to get around geo IP blocks or can access overseas credit cards.

Chris

7 Sep 12 at 11:20 am
This is ridiculous. This despicable mofo should be bound and gagged and left in the hold.

TAXPAYERS face a $1 million bill for a charter flight to deport a British killer after he refused to leave Australia, spitting on passengers, abusing crew and attempting to urinate in an aisle during two aborted commercial flights this week.

Infidel Tiger

7 Sep 12 at 11:21 am
Even if the 2 (or more) marriages were going through a rough patch, and what marriage doesn’t, Ms Gillard marched in there and polished them off didn’t she without a backward glance by looks of things.

Yep, she’s a slapper alright… as I keep saying.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 11:22 am
Ms Gillard marched in there and polished them off didn’t she without a backward glance by looks of things.

In emily’s list / greer world, such action is considered worthy of a merit badge.

Keith

7 Sep 12 at 11:22 am
Ah the insanity of it all.

Four times the price of a dam that would have produced three times the water:

DRINKING water from Victoria’s $5.7 billion desalination plant will begin trickling into Melbourne’s supply in the next week, with quality tests under way, the state government says.

Why we couldn’t build a cheap dam instead:

Climate change—while the Mitchell has flooded recently, investing billions of dollars in another rainfall-dependent water source in the face of rapidly changing climate patterns is very risky.

Melbourne’s dam levels today:

77.4%

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 11:25 am
mOnty is on the Catallaxy payroll as a comment generator. Please don’t expect him to be consistent.

He’s a comment whore for hire.

I love that mental picture, IT. Sinc meets Monty once a month in the front bar at Young and Jackson’s to slip him a plain brown envelope stuffed with AUD.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 11:26 am
This is ridiculous. This despicable mofo should be bound and gagged and left in the hold.

True.

dover_beach

7 Sep 12 at 11:32 am
Snap sorta of Keith.. I made a similar comment but The Cat , now running third rate diesel, seems to have chewed it up.

This was it.

What a dishonest defamer you are. He was referring to Lang Hancock’s economic ideas.

Isn’t he just. Monster has been slandering Gina for ages now. Par for the course as the left hates successful women. They show up their Emily’s list of losers, miscreants and misfits.

Just look at the fucking list willya. There’s the lying slapper, the female version of the Panama canal chasing married union schleps. Then there’s minister for health married to a convicted heroin trafficker.

According to Monster their resumes compare favorably to Gina’s.

You can’t make this shit up even if you really tried.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 11:33 am
Video: Bush-bruised loser John Kerry tells Dem convention that we must stop the rise of the oceans because it’s in Scripture.

C.L.

7 Sep 12 at 11:43 am
what lovely pics of Joe Hockey

Have a look at Joe from that link in pic CNB389. Whenever I see him I can’t help but notice those massive shoulders. He could have been a hard hitting heavyweight. Instead he decided to be a lightweight Liberal wet.

The Hunted Mind

7 Sep 12 at 11:44 am
Ah the insanity of it all.

You watch, they’ll be blaming it on the distribution system like they do with other utilities made ridiculously expensive by the AGW cult of doom.

Token

7 Sep 12 at 11:45 am
Video:

Caroline Kennedy: ‘As a Catholic, I value the Catholic principle of abortion on demand.’

She cites her father Jack Kennedy – who once ordered a 19 year-old intern to give his chief of staff a blow job – as a pioneer of women’s rights.

C.L.

7 Sep 12 at 11:47 am
‘As a Catholic, I value the Catholic principle of abortion on demand.’

That’s just hideous.

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 11:49 am
Guess who pops up as Stephan Lewandowsky’s chief apologist/marketing agent? Of course, it’s Graeme Redfearn, the fruitcake zombie journalist who gave up an MSM career with the Brisbane Courier-Mail to become the bumboy for the climate alarmism industry, banished to sites like The Drum and Desmogblog.com.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 11:49 am
Now that the brown coal generators are not to be closed they have the nerve to ask for a grant to install solar to assist with steam production. $300 million is the request.Will they get it?

alan

7 Sep 12 at 11:55 am
I love that mental picture, IT. Sinc meets Monty once a month in the front bar at Young and Jackson’s to slip him a plain brown envelope stuffed with AUD.

Close, Tom, but Sinc would never be that silly. He uses intermediaries.

dover_beach

7 Sep 12 at 11:58 am
Not that Steve thought it at all important but photos of John Howard with his cabinet certainly don’t make him look little

JamesK

7 Sep 12 at 11:59 am
He uses intermediaries.

Sinc’s only a few doors away but he couldn’t trust his students.

Surely?

JamesK

7 Sep 12 at 12:01 pm
From a US trading blog.

The only reason why I am voting for Romney is because I think the democrat clan is filled with pussies and jackasses. I don’t believe Romney can do better, from a stock market performance stand point. If you recall, George “dumb as fuck” Bush harpooned the economy with the very worst financial catastrophe since Hannibal laid siege on Rome. He obliterated shareholder equity to the point of comedy. The only thing that worked under Bush was SKF and 99 cents stores.

Fucking ape.

Obama got elected because he was cool and black. People were proud of themselves for transcending barbaric racism, by putting a community organizer at the helm. I voted for the O because I like to win. Therefore, when Barack won, I won.

Under Obama, the general economy has done nothing. However, the stock market, which is all I really care about, soared. Now some of you might think “The Fly” is being selfish and you are correct. I don’t give a shit about the factory worker in 0hio, not much less than the factory worker in 0hio cares about some asshole Wall Street guy like me. Don’t kid yourself, pal, life is all about self-preservation and kicking the next guy down a flight of stairs lined with german mustard.

Worst case scenario: Obama gets reelected and Bernanke runs the country for another 4 years. Oh, no, please stop that man from printing more money.

Are you people out of your fucking minds? We have it good now. Markets are easy and banks are lending money at absurdly low rates. Next thing you know, President Romney will appoint a hawk to the Fed– who will hike rates to 3%, sending the Dow down 3,000 fucking points.

Tough call.

Plainly, if it wasn’t for the pathetic nature of liberals and how dumb Biden is compared to chimpanzees, I’d vote for Obama again! However, that is not the case and Romney will have to do.

Yep, it’s tough call. People , don’t abuse me if on election day, my defacto vote, that is my kid’s vote, goes to the Kenyan.

I’m not voting for the Romster if it sounds like he firing the bearded clam (uncle Ben) to put in a hard money guy in the big chair sending the US stock market down 50%. No freaking way. Bear markets are a devil of a thing to trade.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:07 pm
JamesK, trust doesn’t come into it. He has eyes everywhere, like Littlefinger.

dover_beach

7 Sep 12 at 12:08 pm
Isn’t he just. Monster has been slandering Gina for ages now. Par for the course as the left hates successful women. They show up their Emily’s list of losers, miscreants and misfits

Last night when he pathetically tried to kick start the “poor Gillard is victim of the awful right wing misogynists” “attack”, no less than five times I challenged him to even acknowledge the disgraceful, sexist, insults that emanated from the national broadcaster toward Rinehart, including calling her fat and “joking” about her “hole” on national TV, enabled by the toxic environment and slander directed towards her from the ALP government.

If you scroll back up through the conversation, you’ll notice that he conveniently totally ignored that while responding to my other comments and accusing others of being “gutless” for not answering his hamfisted “have you stopped beating your wife yet” non-questions.

The closest he finally got (after saying she deserved the hate directed at her) was saying one of the comments was “artless” but then offered a bizarre mealy mouthed paragraph long explanation for why they’re not so bad anyway. Apparently it’s all some UK immigrants fault.

twostix

7 Sep 12 at 12:10 pm
Why don’t you quote what she actually said: “As a Catholic woman, I take reproductive health seriously, and today it is under attack”

SteveC

7 Sep 12 at 12:16 pm
There is a reason repugnant mysogists like to slag off at Breitbart, look what it does:

With that said, I do have some concerns you might not win this one. I don’t know if you know this, but there’s a war on women going on in this country.

Did you see the look in Megyn Kelly’s eyes when she reported this story on Fox News? I’m not sure she’s going to let this one go. Like Michelle Malkin and Dana Loesch, Kelly has this thing about attractive, respectable, hard-working mothers being subjected to nauseatingly sexist attacks for being non-liberals (I know, right? Take a joke! About your anus…).

I can understand how you might have misjudged how explosive this would be. This really could have gone either way. Sometimes children’s show stars hire prostitutes, sexually degrade women in political attacks, teach kids about masturbation and anal bleaching on twitter, and ridicule Christians for believing in God, and the whole thing blows over in a couple days.

My professional advice going forward is to keep doing what you’re doing. While you’re going to have to fire Biggs once Bill O’Reilly takes this up (it’s coming), it’s best to drag it out as much as possible. You want people to know how tough it is to determine where the line is and how thoroughly you appreciate the moral nuances involved here.

They put the disgusting stink from the sewer that is the left on display for everyone to see.

As you would expect, anyone who acts in such a way and peddles in such filth would despise such an organisation.

Token

7 Sep 12 at 12:17 pm
Stix

Ignore the grandstanding from these leftist twerps. The sexism charge is laughable in of itself. It’s as though that confected feminazi charge is going to somehow impact the way people refer to the Lying Slapper.

One of the worst abusers in the Australian political scene was Keating and the fucking left made musical about it. Thank about that for a second.

Latham referred to a female columnist as a skanky ho and there wasn’t a peep from the Emily Listers or other well known leftists.

Fuck’em. Respond and escalate is my motto.

Don’t like it lefties? Eat shit and don’t make musicals to adore serial abusers.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:19 pm
twostix: oh man of tiny brain – the insults to Gina you are whipping yourself into a frenzy about appeared once, on an ABC panel show, unscripted, and were from a comedian well known for characters who specialise in double entendre and poor taste in comedy. Said comedian is actually known for conservative inclination in politics in his private life.

You are an absolute idiot with no sense of perspective if you consider this the equivalent of the virulent on line campaign against Julia Gillard.

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 12:21 pm
You are an absolute idiot with no sense of perspective if you consider this the equivalent of the virulent on line campaign against Julia Gillard.

Stepford:

Did you go see Keating the musical?

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:24 pm
CL gave a concise summation of what she said.

dover_beach

7 Sep 12 at 12:25 pm
Actually, I meant to say “no sense of perspective”.

Token, did you catch the uproarious [/sarc] tweets of Ann Coulter and other Republicans during the Sarah Fluke speech?

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 12:26 pm
Still wrong : “no sense of proportion”.

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 12:27 pm
….the insults to Gina you are whipping yourself into a frenzy about appeared once, on an ABC panel show, unscripted, and were from a comedian well known for characters who specialise in double entendre and poor taste in comedy. Said comedian is actually known for conservative inclination in politics in his private life.

Actually that’s true. However Tony Jones never stopped it when as host he could have. Furthermore a female leftist on that show began to refer to Gina’s looks explaining how she was looks challenged. That was the first thing she said when speaking about her. The very first.

Which is why I say… respond and escalate.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:27 pm
Jarrah:

“Interesting Gab, what is your definition of a “slapper”?”

A woman she disagrees with politically, and therefore someone who must be a slut.

The typical way to attack women is by impugning their looks or their sexual behaviour. Few escape this pattern. Julia Gillard, Gina Rinehart, and Nicola Roxon spring to mind as examples, but undoubtedly there are many more. Mk50′s astounding misogynistic tirade is a case in point:

But looking at the left’s females… well a fuglier collection of harridans, thin-lipped wowsers, bloodless soulless kommisars and hatchet-faced bitches you’d never want to meet.

And I have not even started on the left’s femenazis and lesbians yet. They combine the looks of a bucket of smashed crabs with the personality of rotting cunjevoi. The smell is similar to the latter, too.

This atrocious passage has been defended on this blog, by a woman no less, but imagine the change in response if he had said “the right’s females”!

But this isn’t a problem found only on this blog. You don’t have to look far to see left-wing men and women using equivalent disgusting language, and for the same reason – the person they’re attacking happens to hold different views on politics or economics.

Of course, men are not immune, as m0nty has found out – cowards who wouldn’t dare put their own picture up on the internet are happy to insult his looks. However, it’s not a default insult, like “lying slapper”.

Shorter jarrah:

How dare you use our very own tactics against us!

Turn-about is fair play, and oh, how it makes you left-wing swine squeal.

You want misogynists? Check out the media organs of the left and how they treat Gina R.

And FWIW, most of those words came from my wife after the Margronk put the hard word on her in a public place, while one the youngest of children was standing holding her hand. She was the predatory left-wing femenazi lesbian with “…the looks of a bucket of smashed crabs with the personality of rotting cunjevoi. The smell is similar to the latter, too”

Mk50 of Brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 12:29 pm
CL gave a concise summation of what she said.

Again, d-b is happy for words to be twisted whichever way CL likes; but getting Aquinas wrong is a big no-no.

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 12:30 pm
Token, that letter by Templar is brilliant.

dover_beach

7 Sep 12 at 12:31 pm
Shitfers frantic again. Must’ve run out of Fabulon.

Infidel Tiger

7 Sep 12 at 12:32 pm
I haven’t used Fabulon for many years, IT. I used to like the smell, though. And actually, my daughter has started ironing my shirts for $1 a shirt.

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 12:36 pm
Must’ve run out of Fabulon.

less snorting, SFB, and more spraying.

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 12:36 pm
No words were twisted, sfb. She argued that, as a Catholic woman, she believed in the unconditional availability of abortion at any stage of a pregnancy.

dover_beach

7 Sep 12 at 12:42 pm
And actually, my daughter has started ironing my shirts for $1 a shirt.

Wouldn’t it be easier all around if your “husband” simply paid your daughter. It would save moving the money around and you’d know eggsactly how much pocket money you had each week.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:44 pm
Obama is giving his speech now. You can watch live at LGF. You won’t catch cooties from going to his site – honest.

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 12:45 pm
It would save moving the money around

yes but leftists like sfb are so fond of churn.

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 12:46 pm
…. the virulent on line campaign against Julia Gillard

Again with this ahistorical whinge!

Is this “campaign” any worse than the continuing campaign against Howard than ran for over 13 years? The left may have forgotten how much muck the likes of Marr and McCallum threw but the rest of us haven’t.

Gillard is copping no more stick than Rudd, Howard or Keating ever did. Of course, unlike Howard and Keating, Gillard is monumentally incompetant and a pathological liar so more of the mud sticks.

Crying foul because she is a woman doesn’t cut it – Gillard is no delicate flower – she is quite capable of slinging insults and accusations with the boys.

Matt

7 Sep 12 at 12:46 pm
O Farrell crusades against global warming

The NSW government has promised to triple the amount of energy generated by wind turbines and solar panels in NSW over the next eight years, at no extra cost to the public.

Its draft “renewable energy action” plan, released this morning, confirms its existing commitment to a 20 per cent renewable energy target by 2020, up from about 8 per cent today, but claims this can be done mainly with money from private investors

So now we see how the NSW Libs swing. Either they are indistinguishable from Labor/Greens, or they are captive of the bureaucracy.

dd

7 Sep 12 at 12:48 pm
This fat Indian dude has me in stitches. Such a lame gag:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crXtTrhfv00

From about 0.30 onwards to 0.34

.

7 Sep 12 at 12:50 pm
Hodge Twins

Bacon milkshake.

Hog fat flavoured with smoked hog fat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lixqyX31o2c

.

7 Sep 12 at 12:51 pm
DD

In all fairness and I mean that loosely when it’s applied to Fatty O’Barrell the 20% renewball target is also a Federal Libs schtick too, so it’s not as though he’s a stand out. Even the QLD libs subscribe to it.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 12:52 pm
Hilarious, JC.

I think Obama is doing quite well, but I have missed much of it.

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 12:54 pm
Oh goodie

Stepford’s caught in spam.

Moderator please don’t let him out. Keep the fucker there permanently.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 1:03 pm
Damn

Spoke too soon.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 1:04 pm
Obama’s speech has finished. I’ll keep you posted as to how well it is received. I had too many interruptions to tell for myself.

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 1:11 pm
What we’ve seen is over the last couple of days the amount of energy generated from wind power in South Australia has gone through between 55 and 85 per cent since Monday as a result of the very strong winds we’re having at the moment

ABC Online

SteveC

7 Sep 12 at 1:16 pm
So let me get this right, Stepford, you nincompoop. You don’t really know how the speech went because you were too busy ironing and cleaning the toilets. However you’re going to appraise us by going to leftwing sites plagiarizing their undoubted high distinction grade and post about it here.

Fuck off.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 1:17 pm
SteveC

There are gale force winds in the southern part of the continent, you freaking moron. Are you sort of implying that potential capacity usage is going to go up because there will be gale force winds from now to eternity?

Kimberly is calling. Shoo off.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 1:20 pm
Biden. Barack. Bloody Beautiful!

alan

7 Sep 12 at 1:28 pm
Caroline Kennedy told delegates that as a Catholic she values the Catholic value of abortion on demand.

She also cited her pimp father as a pioneer of women’s rights.

C.L.

7 Sep 12 at 1:31 pm
DD

In all fairness and I mean that loosely when it’s applied to Fatty O’Barrell the 20% renewball target is also a Federal Libs schtick too, so it’s not as though he’s a stand out. Even the QLD libs subscribe to it.

Fair enough.
Even so, we’ll know there’s been a political sea change when they start announcing new power stations (of any variety: coal, nuke, or hydro). That day is probably some way off.

dd

7 Sep 12 at 1:35 pm
Watched a bit of B. Obama’s speech from Steve’s link and it’s nice and okay but not really uplifting?

I wonder if Americans are tired of all these words from both sides, with their terrible unemployment and huge debt, pehaps losing some hope that things can actually really be fixed.

candy

7 Sep 12 at 1:36 pm
“Building a strong renewable energy industry is vital to supporting employment and helping grow the NSW economy,” Mr Hartcher said.

“We have heard loud and clear that people are fed up with soaring electricity prices, which is why consumers have been front of mind in developing this plan.”

The plan lists 28 “actions” that it said would contribute to achieving the 20 per cent renewable energy target – some of which are repackaged, existing announcements, such as state government support for a large solar farm near Nyngan in the state’s west.

Has he really got the message?

alan

7 Sep 12 at 1:40 pm
She also cited her pimp father as a pioneer of women’s rights.

It’s hard to believe that a female member of the Kennedy clan could disgrace the JFK name more than the belated revelations of JFK’s personal conduct…… but his own daughter?

JamesK

7 Sep 12 at 1:40 pm
Worst case scenario: Obama gets reelected and Bernanke runs the country for another 4 years. Oh, no, please stop that man from printing more money.

I found that rant unconvincing, JC.
For one thing, the US has a big debt problem. And you don’t want Obama holding the stick when the pinata explodes. I have no opinion about the money-printing issue.

Also, his philosophy is that democracy is relentlessly about self-interest defined in the narrowest possible terms. That kind of politics does exist but it’s the worst kind, being about nothing more than ever-expanding government and payoffs to interest groups.

dd

7 Sep 12 at 1:41 pm
According to your spunk-o-meter, who should win the election, Gab?

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 1:41 pm
candy, I meant candy

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 1:42 pm
DD

sorry I wasn’t clear. It was meant with tongue in cheek.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 1:45 pm
…..perhaps losing some hope that things can actually really be fixed.

The mood is worse than it was in 92. Americans have had the stuffing knocked out of them. But they will eventually get up as the optimism is never far from the surface.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 1:49 pm
Of course, it’s Graeme Redfearn, the fruitcake zombie journalist

Tom, LOL. That Graeme Redfearn article is some of the most brain-damaged writing I’ve ever seen. What a clown. He opens with a metaphor has to be read to be believed. I can’t even describe it, it’s such a mess. Here’s a quote: “There would be canapés topped with faked moon landings”.

SteveFB, as the chief warmist in residence, aren’t you embarrassed to have clowns like that on your team?

Dangph

7 Sep 12 at 1:50 pm
Candy, be advised that Steve probably has a different idea of what a spunk-o-meter measures than you do.

C.L.

7 Sep 12 at 1:51 pm
Stevieliar QC’s spunk-o-meter measures in millilitres

Tiny Dancer

7 Sep 12 at 1:57 pm
I think it clear that the Democrats, despite the stuff up with platform change, had a convention that simply looked and sounded better than the Republican’s. It seems the Obama speech reaction is that it was solid and competent, but not really outshining the stellar performance of Clinton.

I would be surprised if there is not some bounce for it in the polls.

I would also be surprised if Romney wins.

Republicans just have to come back to the centre and lose their obsession about taxes (and against science) before they are credible again.

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 1:59 pm
No wonder he is the biggest shareholder in Kleenex

Dan

7 Sep 12 at 2:00 pm
twostix: oh man of tiny brain – the insults to Gina you are whipping yourself into a frenzy about appeared once, on an ABC panel show, unscripted, and were from a comedian well known for characters who specialise in double entendre and poor taste in comedy. Said comedian is actually known for conservative inclination in politics in his private life.

You are an absolute idiot with no sense of perspective if you consider this the equivalent of the virulent on line campaign against Julia Gillard.

Oh steve, steve, steve.

Once again with the lies man. Either that or your memory is failing, which I suppose is quite likely.

Lets take a little walk down memory lane.

The question, as chosen by the ABC to be put onto live television via it’s rabid Q&A program was thus:

“Why is Gina Rinehart so greedy?”

Well now that’s certainly unusually “nuanced” (Ahem), I wonder where that’s going to go.

David Marr: ” … she’s humiliating herself and her family in the courts … This is amazingly perverse behaviour … she seems to be willing to appear greedy … [and] brutally cruel to her own family … ”

MIRIAM MARGOLYES: It’s very difficult, isn’t it, because poor woman she is not a beauty and I am not a beauty either so I know what it’s like to be fat and ugly and having money makings it easier, I imagine. What troubles me about her is that she is not generous. I think it’s fine to be as rich as you possibly can be but you’ve got to be generous. You’ve got to be aware of people who are less fortunate and give a lot of it away. I do. I’m absolutely wonderful like that but she isn’t and I think she’s got to…

Now here’s an article later by the editor of the ABC’s The Drum describing the show:

But overwhelmingly it was hilarious; a sharp, louche, wildly funny burlesque.

You fail every time. Why bother?

twostix

7 Sep 12 at 2:09 pm
Good to see no one is credibly contesting my assessment. The motion is passed, and we can look forward to Julia Gillard having the continued support of Obama after the November election.

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 2:10 pm
I would be surprised if there is not some bounce for it in the polls.

I would also be surprised if Romney wins.

RATFLMAO

JamesK

7 Sep 12 at 2:11 pm
Biden spoke of the “enormity” of Obama’s heart. Maybe he isn’t a full retard after all.

Infidel Tiger

7 Sep 12 at 2:13 pm
I see Bolt now has a post acknowledging that the Clinton speech was brilliant.

You lot therefore now have permission to do the same.

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 2:19 pm
Biden spoke of the “enormity” of Obama’s heart. Maybe he isn’t a full retard after all.

Really? LMAO!

Nanuestalker

7 Sep 12 at 2:19 pm
twostix: you’re late for Gina’s weekly peppermint oil footrub and pedicure. Why are you still here?

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 2:22 pm
I see Bolt now has a post acknowledging that the Clinton speech was brilliant

A brilliant buffing of his own credentials and sly slag at Bambi.

Infidel Tiger

7 Sep 12 at 2:22 pm
A bear market might be so, but at least volatility would be up.

However, you can’t have another massive bull market until equities grind down to single-digit PE levels again.

There’s not going to be any more bull markets with happy endings if Bernanke boards the helicopter again. A Bernanke sugar hit boost might happen, but ultimately foul-tasting medicine has to be taken in order to get it healthy for another long term run-up.

brc

7 Sep 12 at 2:22 pm
Biden spoke of the “enormity” of Obama’s heart.

“Literally.”

sdog

7 Sep 12 at 2:27 pm
The Right wing commentary is falling apart: having to imagine things from Clinton’s speech (rather like imagining a president sitting in a chair) as the only way to find a criticism.

Just remember: lasting image from Democrats – articulate, detailed analysis of what’s wrong with Republican policies and philosophy.

Lasting image from Republicans: a stumbling, lame attempt at comedy by an 82 year actor.

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 2:30 pm
Andrew Klavan Breaks Down Obamanomics

Excellent!

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 2:33 pm
It’s hard to believe that a female member of the Kennedy clan could disgrace the JFK name more than the belated revelations of JFK’s personal conduct…… but his own daughter?

You know the only reason the clan contrived to allow Maria Shriver to marry Arnold Schwarzenegger was so they could produce a bullet proof Kennedy.

Splatacrobat

7 Sep 12 at 2:33 pm
Stepford

You’re really trying to break this stuff down to the atomic level.

The GOP convention was solid. It wasn’t a knock out but it was good. Americans met Ryan and they essentially like him. They also had another look at Romney and also liked him .. just a little more.

Neither of the conventions hit a home run.

Having said that, Romney essentially made the sale. I’m not certain the Kenyan was able to. The Kenyan’s problem was that the two things he will be defined by are the stimulus and Kenyancare which are basically unpopular. So he was unable to run on his performance. It’s pitiful. That’s the reason his speech sounded like a State on the Union address.

The GOP won the convention on points.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 2:42 pm
Recently an Egyptian Muslim posted a YouTube videotape of himself cursing Islam, its holy book, the Koran, tearing the latter to pieces and throwing it in the garbage.

Here’s an excerpt:

There it is, Allah’s book, this is the basic catastrophe. I don’t know what day it is of this disgusting month of Ramadan! You are making the tearing of the Quran such a big and dangerous thing… it is instinctive to tear this book, those sons of [profanity] think they can threaten me and challenge me to tear the Quran, but I want to prove to them that they are nothing and what is the big deal in tearing this book!! There it is [he starts tearing the Quran] in the trash. Are you feeling better now! You cannot touch a hair on my head! We keep blaming Hamas and Gaza, but it is not them, it is this son of [profanity] book that I am stepping on right now. That book is the source of all evil and the real catastrophe. There is nothing new here, it is not Omar Abdel Rahman, Abbud or all the others; it is this garbage that is causing us to run in a demonic never-ending circle that will never end.

And the predictable response:

Someone like him must receive the punishment he deserves—and it is death. He is an apostate… It is clear from what he says that he is a Muslim, and must be killed as an apostate.

and on and on and on with the hate and vitriol in the name of the “Religion of Peace”.

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 2:43 pm
Nice to see that SoB has declared today “Opposite Day”.

He invites people to understand the true meaning of what he says be automatically assume the opposite is true.

Token

7 Sep 12 at 2:51 pm
I just watched that ‘we should totally ban corporate profits’ video from Tim Blairs blog.

Gawd those people are dumb, dumb, dumb.

Politics of hate and envy definitely sells like hotcakes, there’s no doubting that.

‘Them people got all that money! Let’s take it from them! It’s not fair!’

The call of scoundrels from the start of human history. If it is heeded, collapse of the society surrounding it always follows. ALWAYS.

Leftism is a mental disease, apparently incurable if contracted in childhood.

brc

7 Sep 12 at 2:52 pm
I can’t remember which catalaxative suggested I had transposed millions for billions when I talked about corporate fraud.

Investors suffered losses totalling around $3.6 billion when the Townsville-based financial services company’s highly leveraged investments were hit by market volatility in December 2008.

SteveC

7 Sep 12 at 2:55 pm
What a great speech to end the DNC by Cardinal Dolan. The theme was anti-abortion & for those that face religious persecution.

Great ending to the best convention evvvvaaaaa….

Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the archbishop of New York and a leading Catholic-American voice opposing abortion and President Obama’s health care reform law, inserted what some saw as an anti-abortion remark into his benediction Thursday night at the Democratic National Convention.

“Thus do we praise you for the gift of life. Grant us to defend it. Life, without which no other rights are secure. We ask your benediction on those waiting to be born, that they may be welcomed and protected,” Dolan said in prayer delivered immediately following President Obama’s address accepting his party’s nomination.

Token

7 Sep 12 at 2:55 pm
Catalaxatives:

sfb
stevec
the now booted Julius
monty
feeble febro

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 2:57 pm
I think we should all silently ponder, for a moment, the enormity of sfb’s heart too, as we ponder Obama’s……….
Thank you.

dover_beach

7 Sep 12 at 3:01 pm
@gab I read that piece about the egyption guy tearing up the koran, and basically it seems to me as though they, as a movement- a people- whatever you want to call it – are in a space about equivalent to 13th or 14th century Europe. That’s when the church had the power of life or death over people, and periodically some nutjob would declare himself gods representative on earth and kill anyone who disagreed with him. They used to install themselves as some type of holy man, tell starry-eyed believers that the rapture, the coming of jesus- whatever – was just around the corner. Then they’d run the ‘rich’ people out of town, and help themselves to whatever was left behind. This all goes well for a while as they have a big surplus to throw around, and they can trade the looted riches for both food and soldiers.

After a while they’d start acting like any other despot who think they’re above everyone else, and start allowing polygamy and killing everyone who looked at them sideways. But then they run out of cash, nobody is working, and everyone steals everything from everyone else. And the whole thing ends up like any other suicide cult – nobody survives it.

The only cure in Europe was the rise of the Merchant class, which eventually sidelined the mystics and cultists by introducing free movement of people and goods. This was all, of course, enabled by people opening their minds up to rational thinking and no longer giving mystics and cultists any leeway at all. They learnt the lessons, and just used to crush any attempts at yet-another-self-appointed king.

The depressing thing we find from history is that for any enlightenment of this particular brand of killing-in-the-name-of-allah is unlikely to be stopped until it is crushed properly and comprehensively, both by freeing people up to choose, and both by coming down hard on murderous despots who try and enslave people by pretending to have Allah on their side.

brc

7 Sep 12 at 3:08 pm
Am I the only one who thinks JC’s last comment is a bit of whistling in the dark? Stay brave, JC. The world won’t end with the Obama re-election.

(Well, unless there’s a Iran/Israel war in the Middle East which accidentally escalates into all out nuclear exchange.)

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 3:11 pm
This was all, of course, enabled by people opening their minds up to rational thinking and no longer giving mystics and cultists any leeway at all. They learnt the lessons

In today’s Egypt, Syria, Sudan etc etc it appears they have not learned any lessons at all. Egypt, in particular, has regressed, all in the name of Allah.

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 3:12 pm
A PSYCHOLOGIST treating former ABC presenter Andy Muirhead has said he viewed child pornography due to work stress and not for sexual gratification.

You have got to be kidding! The Left really are despicable. Well, I suppose when judges let ped0philes of scot-free why should Andy be treated differently.

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 3:18 pm
ABC presenter viewed child porn for ‘stress’ .

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 3:19 pm
A PSYCHOLOGIST treating former ABC presenter Andy Muirhead has said he viewed child pornography due to work stress and not for sexual gratification.

There’s nothing like a bit of sexual torture of children to soothe the troubled mind.

I hope he’s sodomised by a honey badger on meth.

Infidel Tiger

7 Sep 12 at 3:21 pm
>Egypt, in particular, has regressed, all in the name of Allah.

Yeah, that’s my point (much more succinctly put) – unless the Egyptians themselves get themselves busy and shove these guys aside before they get a foothold, only a bloody (and long) war will end it.

It’s probably already too late for that. Maybe every religion and society needs to go through their own spanish inquisition in order to find out slaughtering your own kind is a bad idea in the long run.

brc

7 Sep 12 at 3:22 pm
Is it just me, or does sfb sound a tad desperate at the minute?

dover_beach

7 Sep 12 at 3:29 pm
Is it just me, or does sfb sound a tad desperate at the minute?

Like a 40 year old cougar at closing time.

Infidel Tiger

7 Sep 12 at 3:32 pm
I hope he’s sodomised by a honey badger on meth.

Sounds like a job for Stanley.

sdog

7 Sep 12 at 3:33 pm
I read that piece about the egyption guy tearing up the koran, and basically it seems to me as though they, as a movement- a people- whatever you want to call it – are in a space about equivalent to 13th or 14th century Europe. That’s when the church had the power of life or death over people,

At last somebody I can agree with. Sorry brc

alan

7 Sep 12 at 3:34 pm
I’m sorry, the only thing I want to hear from Muirhead is an abject apology, a donation of a large perecentage of his net worth to a childrens charity, and to disappear into well-deserved obscurity, forever on the run from neighbourhoods chased out by conscientious mothers, with the rest of his life a misery.

When I feel stressed I go for a run or a rum. Either works well.

Stress presenting a half-hour ABC TV program? Spare me. Imagine how stressed the poor kids were when they were exploited for creeps like him.

There is no excuse for child pornography. None.

brc

7 Sep 12 at 3:44 pm
A PSYCHOLOGIST treating former ABC presenter Andy Muirhead has said he viewed child pornography due to work stress and not for sexual gratification.

Another loser using psychology to justify their criminality. Fuck ém.

Dead Soul

7 Sep 12 at 3:45 pm
That’s when the church had the power of life or death over people

The Catholic Church has never enjoyed that power.

dover_beach

7 Sep 12 at 3:52 pm
The ALPBC were positively moist for South Australian wind energy today. I think they even gave some to Victoria too!

Ask them about their electricity prices.

H B Bear

7 Sep 12 at 3:54 pm
The Newman government today confirmed 2754 jobs would go from Queensland Health… That figure includes 1217 full-time-equivalent jobs from the corporate head office and 1537 from Queensland Health’s 17 regions, now run by hospital and health boards…

Newman is not going to let a minor blip in the polls distract him from the urgent task of mass sackings. Someone needs to set up a site like Iraq Body Count to keep track of all the layoffs.

Fisky

7 Sep 12 at 4:05 pm
Spot @ 9.10

Thanks for the recalibration and the link to John Cooper Clarke

Grigory Potemkin

7 Sep 12 at 4:08 pm
And even Abbott, the old socialist, is thinking about some redundancies, though not as many as Newman.

http://www.workplaceinfo.com.au/termination/redundancy/abbott-looking-at-cutting-20-000-public-servants

Fisky

7 Sep 12 at 4:08 pm
This is “social science”?

Dr Janet Haines has told the Tasmanian Supreme Court there were no indicators Muirhead could be considered a pedophile…

She said the 36-year-old fell into a small group of offenders, recognised by new studies, who viewed child pornography for other reasons.

Dr Haines said Muirhead had developed a dissociation condition after working up to seven days a week in the two ABC jobs.

“He was exhausted, he didn’t have any balance in his life,” she told the court on Friday. “That level of pressure increases people’s stress levels, it increases their arousal. That level of arousal starts to feel normal.”

She said the arousal was not sexual but involved the “sympathetic” nervous system causing symptoms such as increased adrenaline and heart rate. A sense of detachment followed and heavy use of the internet for legitimate purposes then turned into browsing to find a “welcome diversion”.

Dr Haines said Muirhead had initially viewed adult pornography for sexual reasons but soon lost interest in it before “accidentally” coming across child-based material. “You’re drawn to it because it is so alien to your value system,” she said.

She said the viewing of about 13,000 images over 16 months, at times on a daily basis, was irrelevant because Muirhead’s dissociative condition meant he lost track of those kinds of numbers…

Mr Lincoln said the viewing of so many images over a long period, some at the highest level of severity, meant Dr Haines’ report should be ignored in determining a sentence.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 4:11 pm
MWD this week:

● Stop Press: Cate Blanchett On the (So-Called) Climate Debate Silence

● A Linda Mottram Moment: Reading Tweets About Gina Rinehart and Tony Abbott

● New Feature: Nancy’s Gong for Invincible Historical Ignorance: Ray Martin Scores on the 1930s and 1970s

● MWD Essay : A Leftist World-View Identified in New York Times But Rejected by Jim Spigelman for the ABC

● Nancy’s Pick-of-the-Week: Paul Bongiorno All Excited about Malcolm Turnbull and Wayne Swan

● Can You Bear It?: Phillip Adams of The Weekend Australian, Adam Morton of The Age; Jane Cowan’s Goose-Bumps &

The-Guardian-on-the-Yarra’s Michael Leunig Condemns Every War

● Liberty Sanger tells News Breakfast What Should Be On The News (Again)

● Nancy’s Five Paws Award: Well Done John Nethercote (On Gough Whitlam) and Ross Fitzgerald & Stephen Holt (On Arthur Calwell)

http://www.thesydneyinstitute.com.au/issue-153/

Let’s see what stenographer Paul Bongiorno has been up to recently:

MALCOLM AND WAYNE – BUT NOT TONY

Whatever the influence of Gina Rinehart on Channel 10, she has certainly not silenced the television channel’s in-house leftist and political editor Paul Bongiorno. Here’s a recent run down of your man Bonge’s behaviour in recent times.

▪ Paul Bongiorno appears on the Radio National Breakfast program on 20 August 2012 and identifies himself with “liberals in the true sense of the word”. This is the traditional usage of the word liberal. It means left-of-centre. PB goes on to declare that left-liberals like him “will always err on the side of optimism rather than pessimism”. How about that?

▪ Paul Bongiorno appears on “Mornings with Linda Mottram” on 23 August 2012 and declares that “any uncertainty over taxation in Australia is largely the result of the fact that our Opposition is promising to repeal the carbon tax and the mining tax”. So it’s all Tony Abbott’s fault, you see.

▪ Paul Bongiorno is the only journalist interviewed on the Australian Story on 27 August 2012 titled “Kicking the Habit” on Attorney-General Nicola Roxon. He sounds like the Minister’s spinner.

▪ Paul Bongiorno appears on “Mornings with Linda Mottram” on 6 September 2012. He declares that Malcolm Turnbull (who on some issues is closer to the Labor/Greens alliance than to the Coalition) is “extremely inspiring” and “looks like a statesman”. Bonge then levels buckets of praise on Wayne Swan, supports Julia Gillard and criticises Tony Abbott’s climate change policies. Bonge concludes by acknowledging: “You wound me up today, Linda.” The truth is that Bonge winds himself up – which is why he goes on for so long.

[No sign of Ms Rinehart’s censorship there. By the way you must chase up Bonge’s prophecy – as told to Channel 10 viewers – that Tony Abbott was to be interviewed by the Australian Federal Police for upsetting Labor’s Craig Thomson and report back on Bonge’s soothsaying. See MWD Issue 139 - Ed]

Just the usual, then.

Ivan Denisovich

7 Sep 12 at 4:18 pm
Abbott looking at cutting 20,000 public servants

That’s day one’s target I hope.

Infidel Tiger

7 Sep 12 at 4:18 pm
Via Christian Kerr on Facebook:

From Gerard Henderson’s Media Watchdog today — a lovely little pome of Stalinist joy by Lee Rhiannon’s dear old (comrade) dad:

Stand where Lenin stood
by Bill Brown

To stand where Lenin stood –
In endless pilgrimage,
From every land we come
Worker,
farmer,
artist,
all,
In wordless reverence,
To stand upon the ground
where Lenin stood.
Leningrad!
The Smolny!
Where Lenin’s pointing finger
Stabbed a path
Through Revolution’s smoke and whirl
Moscow!
The Kremlin!
Where Lenin stood in common triumph
with all
Who ever raised a hand to see
The flag of workers’ power
finally unfurl.

jtfsoon

7 Sep 12 at 4:38 pm
How come our Senator for NSW, Lee Rhiannon, hasn’t been tried for treason in court no 3 of the High Court?

Didn’t she take payments off the most evil empire in human history, which had nuclear weapons pointed at us for 35 or more years?

Brandis should bring that up every day in the Senate.

.

7 Sep 12 at 4:59 pm
She was just young and niave dot.

Pickles

7 Sep 12 at 5:07 pm
I see Bolt now has a post acknowledging that the Clinton speech was brilliant.

You lot therefore now have permission to do the same.

Steve, Clinton would sound brilliant if he were reading out the telephone directory listings.

Is that a newsflash – that Bill Clinton knows how to impress an audience – and one, just quietly, pre-programmed to just luuuuuurve him?

But, and sorry to quibble, for all his brilliance and cleverness and tres sophisticated grasp of policy, he gooed all over a White House intern, while President of the United States, and a married President of the United States.

Sorry for that pesky fact. For mine it kinda countermands some of the aforesaid brilliance.

James in Melbourne

7 Sep 12 at 5:08 pm
“You’re drawn to it because it is so alien to your value system,”

Wow, just like cannibalism?

.

7 Sep 12 at 5:18 pm
You know, if I was stressed out over working two jobs and 7 days a week, I’d just quit one of those jobs.

I would definitively never sit down, google up some child exploitation imagery and sit down and sort through 30,000 images.

Whichever lawyer organised that defence for him needs to take a long look at themselves in the mirror. The person who took the stand and spouted that post-modern crap needs to seriously re-evaluate their purpose in life.

brc

7 Sep 12 at 5:29 pm
James, I was assessing a speech, not the man. I actually don’t care for Clinton’s voice as a speech giver, and I am very neutral on the question of his presidency. (Christopher Hitchens, whose judgement on such matters I used to find persuasive, loathed the Clintons.)

But regardless, the content of the speech yesterday was brilliant, especially in its taking apart the Romney tax (non) plan.

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 5:34 pm
IT – re the ABC rockspider.

And he’s changed the meaning of ABC from ‘Australian Bolshevik Collective’ to ‘Always Buggering Children’.

Wonder if the shrink actually believed any of that crap.

‘Yep. Great way to de-stress after a hard day at the Bolshevik Collective, doc. Watching little kiddies get raped and tortured is just how I wind down. Y’know the old saying – ‘what does an ALP-supporting ABC guy like to see in a nine year old kid? His dick! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa ….. hey why are you not laughing, it was hilarious when Milton Orkopolis said it.’

‘The singing get to you?’

‘You have no idea. It never ends! The Red Flag, the Internationale, Official Paen of Praise to Hero Shock Workers of Krasnoyarsk Tractor Factory No.14, Sing Happy Workers of the Revolution, Song of the Glories of the Ever Victorious leader Kim Jong Il, it gets to me, Doc.’

‘And watching video’s of little boys being sodomised by fat German perverts…’

‘Just allows me to de-tune doc.’

‘Sounds fair’.

yeah, riiiight.

I have a better idea, gaol time – as a rockspider. Just think of all the lifers in the genpop who could be de-stressed by adding him to their number.

Mk50 of Brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 5:51 pm
And yes, my plan will continue to reduce the carbon pollution that is heating our planet – because climate change is not a hoax. More droughts and floods and wildfires are not a joke. They’re a threat to our children’s future. And in this election, you can do something about it.

We are not alone.

alan

7 Sep 12 at 5:52 pm
(Christopher Hitchens, whose judgement on such matters I used to find persuasive, loathed the Clintons.)

Hark! That’s probably Hitchens groaning and spinning like a rotisserie.

Sorry Hitch.

Go back to sleep – it’s just another arsewipe.

JamesK

7 Sep 12 at 5:58 pm
You know, if I was stressed out over working two jobs and 7 days a week, I’d just quit one of those jobs.

I would definitively never sit down, google up some child exploitation imagery and sit down and sort through 30,000 images.

Brc, you don’t work at the ABC. Imagine what it’s like to go to work surrounded by people who support mass murderers such as saddam, castro & chavez because they happen to be from the left. They have lost all their bearings, they think Milne is reasonable and Gillard is honest.
The guy is from Tasmania, no wonder he cracked.

Rob

7 Sep 12 at 6:03 pm
That comment made no sense at all, JamesK, even by your normal bellicose and bilious standards.

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 6:06 pm
Imagine what it’s like to go to work surrounded by people who support mass murderers such as saddam, castro & chavez because they happen to be from the left. They have lost all their bearings, they think Milne is reasonable and Gillard is honest.

Look, don’t get me wrong, I couldn’t last until the first lunch break at the ABC without wanting to end it all.

But why children? Why couldn’t he just set up some slush funds and start fleecing workers and collecting bribes like the rest of them?

brc

7 Sep 12 at 6:18 pm
You’re a moron, liar.

JamesK

7 Sep 12 at 6:20 pm
Geez the Cat’s rooted lately, and it’s not Mr Chesters changes or Mr Sincs holidays, it’s the dreaded ” Troll Feeding Addiction ” (TFA).
IT’S A SICKNESS and lots of folk heRE are afflicted.
Just say NO.

Jumpnmcar

7 Sep 12 at 6:39 pm
The latest..

The Indians haven’t found any Apollo remnants. If they had its NASA covering its tracks post 1969. Attempt a scientific argument. NASA can dump gear on the moon. What it cannot do is go back in time and make Apollo real. Indians are human beings too, and they were railroaded into believing this Apollo rubbish like the rest of us.

from Graeme Bird, Esq.

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 6:47 pm
Hey Gab, even though it’s like supporting Pol Pot, we’re with you tonight, barracking for the Thomastown car thieves against the worst supporters in the AFL.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 6:59 pm
I’ll leave for an extended period, jump, if Gab will record (just audio will do) a version of “You Light Up My Life” dedicated to “Steve of Brisbane” and posts it on a public channel on Youtube for one month with link here.

A free MIDI file can be downloaded for the background music.

My ransom demands are more than reasonable – you’ve seen the damage I can cause.

steve from brisbane

7 Sep 12 at 7:04 pm
Hey Gab, even though it’s like barracking for Pol Pot, we’re with you tonight against the worst supporters in the AFL. Go Pies!

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 7:06 pm
ShitFerBrains: put everyone here out of their misery and just fuck off.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 7:10 pm
Jump
non pascentur in troglodytae
annihilare vireta

Rudiau

7 Sep 12 at 7:13 pm
Thanks for that article, Tom. Very clever & enjoyed it.

LOL’d at this line:

Hawthorn supporters don’t barrack like the rest of us. They cheer. As if Snodgrass-Willis has just broken the under-14 breaststroke record or Sir has announced a half-day holiday for the visit of General Peter Cosgrove.

Them and their perfect white – why it’s just teasing us Pies! Almost an invitation to “correct” their perfection

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 7:18 pm
teeth, damn it, their perfect white teeth!

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 7:19 pm
“According to your spunk-o-meter, who should win the election,candy?”

well since you’ve asked, Steve, Romney and Obama to me seem both good guys, both good looking blokes. I notice Romney has a lovely straight spine, beautiful posture, like he can stand up to anything. And Mit is a darn cute name. Obama needs a touch more weight, and to grow his hair – those African curls are neat and could be styled in a nice dignifed way.
So i go with Romney on the spunk-o-meter, however he must smile more. most definitely he must smile more.

candy

7 Sep 12 at 7:20 pm
Tom, It’s not about him.
It’s like tobacco, drink, weed or whatever.
Don’t ask it to fuck of, it wont.
Just refuse to participate.
TFA is real and we must show strength and self discipline to beat it.
Try not feeding em for a day, then a week and so on….

jumpnmcar

7 Sep 12 at 7:23 pm
Great article Tom and yes Gab having teeth is bad enough without them being white as well

Nanuestalker

7 Sep 12 at 7:35 pm
Hey Gab, even though it’s like barracking for Pol Pot, we’re with you tonight against the worst supporters in the AFL. Go Pies!

M0nty is one of those barbarians in piddle and poop.

Token

7 Sep 12 at 7:42 pm
Obama’s speech has finished. I’ll keep you posted as to how well it is received. I had too many interruptions to tell for myself.

Guess who said that.
Clinton’s speech was lame, warmed over shite, Obama’s was lamer.

blogstrop

7 Sep 12 at 7:48 pm
Toke, Even though I’m 100 kilometres away, I can hear Buddy Franklin’s hamstring snapping from here.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 7:49 pm
Just keep trolling, Fungus. You’re next.

Tom

7 Sep 12 at 8:02 pm
Jump
They are being paid to derail.
Which makes them akin to prostitution.
However prostitutes don’t sell their souls.
Trolls do!
They don’t believe the crap they spew.
They are derailing, that is their mandate.

Rudiau

7 Sep 12 at 8:03 pm
This is “social science”?

It is a steaming pile of shit. How arrogant of that psychologist to pressuppose some physiological correlate for behavior. 3 days ago I downloaded a paper the abstract began with this:

No reliable anatomical or functional alterations have been confirmed in psychiatric neuroimaging;…

40 years of research and not a thing. Yet this psychologist is doing what so many fools do: confusing the naive with fancy words and ideas that mean nothing. Arrogant.

Dead Soul

7 Sep 12 at 8:08 pm
If the rockspider from the ABC was overtired from working two jobs, where did he get the time to sit down and view tens of thousands of kiddie porn?

Winston Smith

7 Sep 12 at 8:16 pm
Rudiau

They are being paid to derail.

Then i would like nothing more than to deny them the ability to gain that income.
It’s up to the TFA sufferers.

jumpnmcar

7 Sep 12 at 8:18 pm
Watching the long form video when the Democrats voted to God and Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, the camera focuses on some Arab delegates.

This writer has included that package with an article that notes it is likely the 2nd part of the motion that the “No” particularly relates to.

The Democrats seem to have tapped into a very concerning vein of hate here.

[PS: Watch that video]

Token

7 Sep 12 at 8:22 pm
Then i would like nothing more than to deny them the ability to gain that income.
It’s up to the TFA sufferers.

+1

Rudiau

7 Sep 12 at 8:30 pm
Never met one intelligent or cultured woman

No one would expect you would or could febbie.

JamesK

7 Sep 12 at 8:37 pm
Febro sounds quite pleasant tonight.

candy

7 Sep 12 at 8:37 pm
QLD teachers are, according to the Govt website, getting an extra week off from next year on.
And striking for more money too?
Wish I worked only 40 weeks a year.

jumpnmcar

7 Sep 12 at 8:42 pm
Candy, it’s as insidious as shredded fibro. The timescales for mesothelioma and the long march through the institutions are about the same. We’ve arrived.

blogstrop

7 Sep 12 at 8:43 pm
Jump, the pattern repeats. But how many terms of conservative government does it take to rectify (great word, that) a term of lefty spend and tax government, or three or four terms as has happened in some states, not to mention the “Ferals”.

blogstrop

7 Sep 12 at 8:48 pm
blogstrop
Iv’e long though a 4 to 1 ratio was about right if we had a balanced media.
What ever happened to all them conservative raised Bond Uni journalism graduates anyway ?
Too soon?

jumpnmcar

7 Sep 12 at 9:02 pm
Hi, my name is Dot and I suffer from TFA.

Over the last few weeks, I have been trolling these arseholes. What I’ve worked out is that Steve from Brisbane is elite at spewing asinine facts and vainglorious sweet nothings and has peaked in his life. monty is unhinged. Steve C is delicate petal.

All that effort for nothing – I really don’t care what these poorly educated halfwits think. I only care that they vote and can reproduce.

Now they will be ignored. I just hope I’ve wound them up half as much as they think they’ve wound me up.

.

7 Sep 12 at 9:06 pm
Now they will be ignored.

Well done brother dot, the first step is the hardest.
And beautifully said also.

jumpnmcar

7 Sep 12 at 9:19 pm
Well done brother dot, the first step is the hardest.
And beautifully said also.

+2

Rudiau

7 Sep 12 at 9:31 pm
What happened to the recent comments column and the rest of the left hand links?

Splatacrobat

7 Sep 12 at 9:54 pm
Hi, my name is Dot and I suffer from TFA.

Over the last few weeks, I have been trolling these arseholes. What I’ve worked out is that Steve from Brisbane is elite at spewing asinine facts and vainglorious sweet nothings and has peaked in his life. monty is unhinged. Steve C is delicate petal.

All that effort for nothing – I really don’t care what these poorly educated halfwits think. I only care that they vote and can reproduce.

Now they will be ignored. I just hope I’ve wound them up half as much as they think they’ve wound me up.

There, there. Calm down

alan

7 Sep 12 at 10:05 pm
Dunno splat, ask Win Chester or Sinclair intl.
They’re the guns.

(yuk,yuk )

jumpnmcar

7 Sep 12 at 10:10 pm
What happened to the recent comments column and the rest of the left hand links?

I was just about to leave a comment to the same effect, Splat. Who broke the sidebar?

Not only is the Liberty Quote still munted, but now I can’t see the “Recent Posts” or “Recent Comments” widgets. Navigating this site without those features is too much like hard work. Fingers crossed it gets fixed soon.

sdog

7 Sep 12 at 10:10 pm
on pascentur in troglodytae
annihilare vireta

Rudiau

7 Sep 12 at 10:15 pm
Good then it’s not just me then?

The rot set in for me a week ago when my name and email stopped auto defaulting in the leave a reply. Now I have to type it in every friggin time. Does this happen to everyone else or is it just me? I use three different computers depending on where I am and the auto defaulting my nic and email dropped off on all of them around the same time as the Cat web site upgrade so i’m thinking its the Cat site not my puters.

Add to this the slow loading of long threads and drop outs, this site is getting as unwieldy as a control room server at the Chernobyl power station

Splatacrobat

7 Sep 12 at 10:25 pm
Interesting reviews of Obama’s speech at DNC.
From the Guardian

SteveC

7 Sep 12 at 10:48 pm
I’m thinking the Kenyan is now fucked. This is an awful number.

Non Farm Payrolls: Prior 141k, Market Expects 130k, Actual 96k, Unemployment Rate Falls to 8.1%

The rate falls because more people are dropping out from looking for work.

JC

7 Sep 12 at 10:54 pm
I just hope I’ve wound them up half as much as they think they’ve wound me up. Based on a simple word count analysis that seems unlikely

SteveC

7 Sep 12 at 10:54 pm
Go splat.
+3

Rudiau

7 Sep 12 at 10:58 pm
Is the Cat being run by the same team who designed the stimulus? I expect the joint to explode and kill a couple of intellectually disabled trolls any moment.

Infidel Tiger

7 Sep 12 at 11:10 pm
In case anyone missed it, the Hawkers romped it home.

dover_beach

7 Sep 12 at 11:13 pm
the Hawkers romped it home.

would we say “romped”? mmmmm…they were lucky tonight.

Gab

7 Sep 12 at 11:21 pm
Now I have to type it in every friggin time. Does this happen to everyone else or is it just me?

Same with me, and the loading problems today are a pain because I try to reserve Friday time for the Cat.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/is-technology-damaging-teen-brains/story-fnet08ui-1226467121484

Is technology damaging teen brains?

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“Damaging” – what a stupid word to use. It is changing the maturation of brains but that’s no biggie because there is no “natural” maturation. There is a problem with multi-tasking though and the business community and students needs to take stock of this. If you want to really get your head around something, if you want to very much increase your learning speed and memorisation, then absolute concentration is mandatory. I recall one old study which found that any interruption can impede concentration for up to 20 minutes afterwards. So while multi-tasking is very valuable in some work contexts, we need to recognise that for some tasks it is better to be distraction free for the heavy intellectual work. Meditation can help because it inhibits the “startle response”, a key measure of anxiety which brings me to … .

Last week I was invited to help set up a not for profit organisation addressing anxiety issues. I found some data that suggests(only that) some EMFs may increase anxiety. I’m not prepared to buy into this yet because the data is far too weak but there is a behavioral side to this which is worth thinking about. If we are in a state of always being “switched on” that in itself may diminish our ability to remain focused.

So try this: switch off occasionally, have a digital free day every now and then if not on a frequent basis.

Please fix up the server issues. No wait don’t do that, it gives me good reason to abandon yet another distraction.

Dead Soul

7 Sep 12 at 11:31 pm
would we say “romped”? mmmmm…they were lucky tonight.

Their shooting for goal suggested otherwise. Collingwood were lucky not to get pummeled by over 10 goals.

Fisky

7 Sep 12 at 11:46 pm
would we say “romped”? mmmmm…they were lucky tonight.

I see your paranoid delusions extend to football as well, Gab.

Go Hawks! I was there, sitting in the members. Collingwood were terrible for the most part, couldn’t deal with Gibson at all. Only bad kicking by the Hawks and good kicking by Krakouer was keeping them in it. And then they got rolled over.

m0nty

8 Sep 12 at 3:07 pm
I see your paranoid delusions extend to football as well, Gab.

I see your Abbott/Rinehart derangement syndrome has left you without humour.

Gab

8 Sep 12 at 3:10 pm

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