The RHS quick links to comments and threads are all missing- not such a massive loss if it speeds the site loading but it’s still very sluggish. I take it that it’s a clever plan to teach us all patience…
That’s true. The Total Troll Overload on the last Open Forum has clearly clogged up the works. Needs a good service to clear the piles of troll droppings in the pipework.
COMPROMISE over the GST may have doomed the Australian Democrats, but now a refusal to do a deal over asylum-seekers is bleeding support from their successors the Greens.
Fourteen and eight are both relatively small figures. But the fall in the Greens’ Newspoll support from 14 per cent in the first part of June, before the parliamentary impasse over boats, and the 8 per cent recorded last weekend is a major threat to the party.
Signs of the electorate’s growing sanity: Christian Kerr discusses the rise and fall of the Greens in the Weekend Oz ($). Since early June, with a fall of 6%, the Greens have lost almost 900,000 votes, leading to a potential loss of more than $2 million in Electoral funding for the Greens.
And more good news:
Abjorensen observes, Hanson-Young will be contesting a place against the popular – and populist – independent Nick Xenophon. “Hanson-Young is going to be in trouble,” he says. “Xenophon is going to pick up a lot of the protest vote. He’s in absolutely no danger given his support base.”
I can’t wait.
The last word?
If electoral success and momentum deserts them, too, the party could be plunged into division and acrimony.
NSW Liberals are lost, as are the ACT Liberals. The Federal Liberals are barely hanging on to any ideological credibility. At least QLD LNP are doing what needs to be done. O’Farrell is insulting our intelligence with his idiotic Green pledges.
“the party could be plunged into division and acrimony.”
I don’t think there’ll be any could about it.
Those hard, pipe hittin’ marxists will purge any genuine good, green earth sorts faster than you can say “I miss the formatting thingies”.
Industry full of bullshit artists, con men and incompetents..dead right two months and still no email on iPhone. Apple, Telstra and own IT consultant are still busy trying to apportion blame. Nothing left to do but laugh at them , swear at them and tell them that they are incompetent.
“President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people,” Eastwood told The Pine Cone this week. “Romney and Ryan would do a much better job running the country, and that’s what everybody needs to know.”
Read of the day: Why the Greens vote is tanking and they’ll be lucky to retain one of three Senate seats up for re-election next near.Sarah Hanson-Young G-O-R-N. Adam Bandt: G-O-R-N. The Oz also has a profile of Tubbsy Milne.
The bizarre circus of the vagina-gogues is vulgar on multiple levels. It’s visually tacky, gross and exhibitionist. More to the point, it’s so tastelessly beside the point.
While Code Pink and their sorority of Democratic Party soul mates glorify abortion and indulge in condom-clutching fear campaigns, there are countless true-life horror stories of women and unborn children being preyed upon by those who masquerade as “reproductive health care providers.”
Their voices are the ones squelched in the public square. Yet, Fluke and her ilk grab the national spotlight to complain that they are victims of censorship.
Despite their ghoulish record and eugenics-rooted foundations, Team Obama rewarded Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards with a key speaking role at the DNC this week. She and the White House shamelessly accused the rival GOP ticket of causing cancer deaths, encouraging rape and increasing domestic violence all week.
Yet, the Democratic men and women in power in Washington look the other way at Planned Parenthood’s predation of poor women and young girls who have been advised by abortion counselors to cover up statutory rape. Undercover investigators at Live Action have caught the abortion lobbyists on tape endorsing sex-selection abortions and approving race-based abortions.
President Obama can take time out of his schedule to console and promote Fluke in the name of women’s health and safety. But he has nothing to say to the dozens of black female victims and their families in Philadelphia who suffered at the hands of convicted abortionist butcher Kermit Gosnell. Or to the family of Tonya Reaves, a black female patient at Planned Parenthood’s Loop Health Center in Chicago, who died this summer after the staff performed a careless abortion on her and neglected her for more than five hours while she bled to death.
Doesn’t fit the Vagina Narrative. Now, on with the femme puppet show!
Brendan O’Neill in a very astute article in The Australian gets stuck into the redefining of and somewhat sinister power now attaching to the term “peer review”.
Under the guise of promoting “correct science” and slamming “bad science”, the priestly peer-review lobby is actually enforcing an ideological world view, using the tags “peer reviewed” and “non peer-reviewed” to distinguish between those who are politically on side and those who remain stubbornly heretical.
It occurs to me that another form of control might emerge under the clever guise of “fact checking”. You’ll hear quite a bit of sophistry on this subject in the latest episode of ABC RN’s Media Report. It spends a lot of time on the US based FactCheck.org.
Towards the end of the program Richard Aedy totally destroys his credibility by suggesting that Australia needs an impartial organization like a university to fact check, and that either Andrew Jaspan’s The Conversation, or even the ABC (he rhetorically addresses this remark to his boss Mark Scott, who’s not present) should be above reproach for this task, being a trusted and unbiased organization! I don’t think he was joking.
The Greens won’t be plunged into division and acrimony, they will revert to division and acrimony. Those are their natural tendencies.
While the Greens brand in general was on the ascendant they kept an apparent united front, each group thinking they were playing a longer game against the other.
But ultimately they are student politicians, with each generation splitting and resplitting dogma, creating new ‘-isms’ to accuse others of, and yet other ‘-isms’ to declare their own brilliance.
There an infinite number of ways to be wrong, and The Greens have only just got started.
MALCOLM Turnbull showed his speech exhorting politicians to be more honest and criticising Parliament’s question time to Tony Abbott well ahead of delivering it.
So having interpreted the speech as a deliberate sledge against Abbott, will journalists now praise the Opposition Leader for his liberality and commitment to diverse views – even ones conceivably injurious to him?
NSW Liberals are lost, as are the ACT Liberals. The Federal Liberals are barely hanging on to any ideological credibility. At least QLD LNP are doing what needs to be done. O’Farrell is insulting our intelligence with his idiotic Green pledges.
John Comnenus
8 Sep 12 at 11:30 am
Local elections… So useless. Local councils are the worst of the worst – we should do away with them.
I haven’t been following the Newmann government closely, and they are still busy reshaping the Queensland State government, however when he ran the Brisbane City Council he let the greenslime run the place, so that they use only “green” electricity, insist their contractors make extortion payments to Greenpeace, and do everything possible to drive up costs to appease the morons insisting on a zero “carbon footprint”.
Fairfax has let the ferals run wild today, giving oxygen to a disgraceful Facebook campaign against Gina Rinehart
Gina should shut up. If she wants influence in public policy she can run for office. The poor little thing, so desperately in need of wider recognition. She and Palmer should get a room together.
They came to the U.S. from Gambia — in search of a better life.
But two tough decades later, some of Kenwood Academy High School student Muhammed Kebbeh’s family say they are considering going back to Africa after he became the city’s 370th murder victim this year and second of his six siblings to be gunned down on the South Side in the last six months.
Seems Obama’s Chief of Staff Axelrod didn’t like Romney’s winning numbers in the Gallup polls so has begun a campaign of leaning on the polling agency. First by intimidating e-mails and phone calls but they have even gone so far as to have Holder’s “Justice” Department enter into a suit against Gallup.
“Hmmm. Nice polling agency you got here… be a real shame if something happened to it.
I was talking to your Brisbane fellow-traveller, anyway, pre-empting the certainty that he will show up claiming that Obama knocked it out of the park, because hey, that’s what the press are saying.
Grattan et alia beclowned. Seems not quite appropriate seeing it was Grattan who wrote the article you quoted.
Nevertheless, if you are now keen on Grattan, here’s some more for you:
Inevitably, his remarks would be seen as a poke in Tony Abbott’s eye, whether intended or not. Probably not a day goes by that Turnbull doesn’t wonder how it is that Abbott, not he, is the Liberal leader.
Discussion on complex and important issues is distorted or worse; not surprisingly – it brought him down – Turnbull points to the ”hopeless, confused, hyper-partisan” debate on climate change.
With the opposition, shock jocks and others throwing charges of ”liar” at Julia Gillard, Turnbull probes the anatomy of a political lie.
”A lie is a false statement known to be false by the person who utters it,” he says. ”A change of policy is not a lie. If a politician says the best policy to promote innovation is ABC, and then comes to the view that it is in fact XYZ and says so, he is not telling a lie, he is changing his mind – unless of course he never believed ABC was the best policy in the first place.”
Where does this leave Gillard for her notorious pre-election ”there will be no carbon tax” promise? Off the hook? Not on Turnbull’s argument, because she is guilty of a ”breach of contract”.
Swan & Gillard started the trash talk directed at Gina in the press some time ago, so why shouldn’t she speak up. Or doesn’t she have a right to voice her opinion at the Sydney Mining Club? Your totalitarian slip is showing, DS.
Must have been a tough night in DemHQ….the concern trolls at US right wing sites have gone apeshit.
Hysterically claiming Obamas slight convention bounce proves its game over, the employment figures are wonderful, Clinton was the greatest speech ever seen, etc, etc
James, yes I knew you meant the other Steve.
TFA means Troll Feeding Addiction.
See jumpnmcar’s post 7 Sep 12 at 6:39 pm on the Wednesday 5 September Open Forum
Muhammed Kebbeh’s family say they are considering going back to Africa after he became the city’s 370th murder victim this year and second of his six siblings to be gunned down on the South Side in the last six months.
Doesn’t Chicago have the toughest gun laws in the country?
Almost 50 per cent of global investors in a survey said government efforts to combat climate change will have little effect on corporate profits, while most say global warming is a danger to the planet.
Seems not quite appropriate seeing it was Grattan who wrote the article you quoted.
Nevertheless, if you are now keen on Grattan, here’s some more for you:
The US general public appear to have liked Obama’s convention better than the mainstream media
A strange comment. The poll was conducted from the 4-6 September. The bounce is within the margin of error, and it is lower than the average bounce received. The poll also closed on the night Obama gave his speech. But what is strange is you conflate the Democratic convention to Obama’s convention to paper-over his poorly received speech, which hardly any of the respondents could have been influenced by.
Expect to see monty and SFB run feral on the FB site trashing Gina. Heck, they probably set it up.
How embarrasing for m0nty and steve after the other nights hard work when they desperately tried to inflate the “criticism of Gillard is misogyny” narrative (again).
While we’re on the subject of polls quoted by the egregious SteveC, the one about global warming and business was also misrepresented. From the article:
“Almost 50 per cent of global investors in a survey said government efforts to combat climate change will have little effect on corporate profits, while most say global warming is a danger to the planet.
Actions to limit pollution will have “not much impact” on profitability, according to 49 per cent of respondents in the Bloomberg Global Poll, while a third said profit may fall. Eight per cent of the investors, analysts and traders surveyed among Bloomberg’s global customers said such efforts would have a positive impact on corporate profitability in their nation.
Overall, 38 per cent of investors said climate change was a major threat to the environment, down from 48 per cent in July 2009. Forty per cent called it a minor threat in the most recent poll and 19 per cent said warming presents no real threat.
For all I know, the Bloomberg poll might be about as valid as Stephan Lewandowsky’s. But since Steve believes it, he ought to tell the truth about the results.
Prime Minister Julia Gillard has struck a formal deal with Papua New Guinea to open an asylum seeker centre in an effort to fireproof Labor’s new Pacific solution against any High Court challenge.
Ms Gillard met with her PNG counterpart Peter O’Neill this afternoon on the sidelines of a summit of regional leaders in Vladivostok.
Mr O’Neill had said only last week a new written arrangement with Australia was not required to reopen a detention centre on Manus Island.
But Ms Gillard said after legal advice amendments had been needed to bring the PNG agreement into line with a similar deal struck last week with Nauru.
Ms Gillard also met with Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak and the two agreed to ask officials to discuss the Malaysia people swap, struck down last year by the High Court.
The unravelling of the PNG ‘deal’ has already been pencilled in as one of the government’s scheduled monthly crises in the runup to the next election.
Also does it escape anybody’s notice that once again Abbotts university politics are being “reported” on. With yet another major piece on his student politics. Yet we’re told that not only are Gillards heavy involvements with commies off limits, but that even what she was doing at 35 was too long ago too.
johanna, you need to practise your arithmetic: “not much impact” on profitability, according to 49 per cent – 49 is “almost 50″. 38 per cent of investors said climate change was a major threat to the environment, Forty per cent called it a minor threat – 38 + 40 = 78% said it was a threat(major or minor). 78% is “most”
Yeah, those Federal law suits filed by the Holder Justice Department in conspiracy with the administration against Obama’s political enemies can be pretty wild can’t they?
I’d imagine that bucket of yours is overflowing by now.
Johanna : thanks for doing the hard work on unpicking the propaganda. I knew it would be something like that, but can’t be bothered to follow the links to ‘OMG climate change is a major problem still!!!11! links’.
One who still thinks anyone gives two hoots about ‘climate change’ should count the number of times it was brought up in either the Republican or Democratic shindigs and speeches: Once by the republicans to make fun of the issue, and once by the Democrats saying ‘well, it’s still kind of important for some people’.
Climate Change as a political issues is a bit like ocean liners – oh, they’re still around, but only for people who want to get their jollies on them. They’re not a serious mode of transportation and the general public don’t really care if they exist or not.
Oh, and the reason that 50% of investors say ‘no impact on profiabilty’ is that (1) the loss of profitability falls mainly on a narrow range of industries (the rest just pass the taxes on) and (2) the actual taxes – worldwide – are so small and ineffective that they wouldn’t register a blip.
Climate scare-mongers and bed-wetters might ask themselves this : it’s been the best part of a decade since climate-taxing started to gain traction. Has the growth of co2 emissions slowed, stalled or reversed? No.
Has the planet reached a tipping point and warmed dangerously? No.
Have any of the scares, prophecies, apocalypses or general doom-laden scenarios happened? No.
Is it dead as a dodo as a political issue? Yes.
Are any future politicians going to use it to push their campaigns along and win? No.
But you guys keep flogging it. I guess every now and again a dead horse must get up and win a race, right?
If homosexuality is a health hazard, that shouldn’t be anyone’s business but its practitioners’. That would be my view, ideally.
However, in the age of Roxon, health fascism, trumpeted lifestyle price-tags and left-wing morals campaigns, Jim Wallace is 100 percent justified and right.
No, just let them embarass themselves and get more shrill as relevance deprivation syndrome cuts ever deeper.
The problem is that the Heraldsun and many others are reporting it as a “revealed” fact – making it out like he walked up to a woman (his political rival) in some sort of rage and punched the wall right next to her head wife beater style.
The woman who told the story and her cohorts have been doing the rounds for years telling all and sundry about that “victory” over him and the subsequent silly uni student behaviour (mooning, etc) but this is the first time we’ve heard about this. How convenient – did she not tell the police or file a complaint?
The Greens have lodged an official complaint with the Human Rights Commission over his statements.
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“To compare the health effects of smoking cigarettes with the many struggles gay and lesbian Australians endure in contemporary society is heartless and wrong,” she said.
And former prime minister Kevin Rudd backed her.
“I haven’t seen the text of what Mr Wallace has said, but if reported accurately they strike me as homophobic,” he said.
it’s been the best part of a decade since climate-taxing started to gain traction.
It’s been the best part of a century since banging on about climate catastrophes/predictions began. Pity the climate hasn’t actually taken notice of such.
The Greens have lodged an official complaint with the Human Rights Commission over his statements.
If you own the “judiciary”, you can get away with murder. Are we going to have another Thought Police trial, with Christians cast as the devil? A perfect metaphor for the temporary leftwing toilet Australia has become.
But you knew that, or you would have provided something to prove your allegation.
So now me pointing out that the Presidential tracking telephone polling is a poll of adults rather than likely voters (best) or even registered voters is an “allegation” (which is ‘mine’) apparently.
Interesting.
Galluptracks daily the percentage of Americans who approve or disapprove of the job Barack Obama is doing as president. Daily results are based on telephone interviews with approximately 1,500 national adults; Margin of error is ±3 percentage points.
Take your time apologising for your laziness, Zatara .
Homosexual behaviour is a sin in Christian, Jewish and Islamic rules books.
Complaining about such people saying it’s a sin or a health hazard is infringing on freedom of religion and just might be hate speech, certainly in at least one widely reported statement by a politician.
He should apologise to Wallace.
However, in the age of Roxon, health fascism, trumpeted lifestyle price-tags and left-wing morals campaigns
The new moral compass. A new table of commandments. I would hazard a guess that costs of smokers to the community wouldn’t be any greater that costs for promiscuity but promiscuity is sacrosanct.
Once upon a time we considered people who could control their tempers and lusts etc. virtuous, but now it’s the ones who recycle their plastic and bring their green bags to the supermarket who are thought to be the righteous ones. How’s that working out for us?
The hysterical reaction to Wallace’s comments are instructive. This ‘controversy’ was raised by Rafael Epstein on the ABC. He interviewed Wallace, in what was really a hostile interview, not in order to discuss his comments, but to “counter them”. And at the end he referred listeners to a Crikey ‘fact-check’ piece. Our ABC.
Zatara, JamesK’s point is that polls like Gallup are less accurate than polls like Rasmussen because the former poll adults as opposed to registered voters like the latter.
Once upon a time we considered people who could control their tempers and lusts etc. virtuous, but now it’s the ones who recycle their plastic and bring their green bags to the supermarket who are thought to be the righteous ones.
Smart-arsery is a risky proposition for the ignorant.
You said that I had made an “allegation”.
I didn’t.
You obviously don’t know that a poll of random phone contacted adults is considerably less significant than a poll of registered voters which in turn, is considerably less significant than a poll of likely voters.
If you want a gauge of consumer confidence, you would naturally sample the adult population.
If you want a measure of how voters think about the state of the economy or who is best to manage it in a non-compulsory voting democracy , a poll of adults would not be your best bet.
dover_beach, if that was true then Gallup could not produce the chart located on the left side of this page Gallup Daily
There would be no way to break out the data they include there if they didn’t include specific attention to registered voters, etc. What the Dems are whinging about is the weighting process. Each polling agency develops their own, or there would be just one polling agency.
In other words, the Dems are claiming that what Gallup defines as a probable voter doesn’t meet their desires i.e. they expect more hispanics, or more 18-29 year olds etc. to vote in this election than Gallup does.
Is that a legitimate complaint? Are the Dems right or is Gallup right? Well the Dems have cause to be wishful thinkers and try to sway the results but the fact of the matter is that nobody knows until the day after the election who is going to turn up to vote.
The problem is, the Dems are trying to use the Office of the President and the Justice Department to sway those results at an independent polling agency.
James, I can see that set theory wasn’t a favorite of yours in primary school.
dover_beach, if that was true then Gallup could not produce the chart located on the left side of this page
Not necessarily. Rasmussen might only ring registered voters, whereas Gallup may ask if they are registered voters, among other things, and therefore depends on their respondent’s truthfulness.
…therefore depends on their respondent’s truthfulness.
Indeed so.
But the point remains that the Dems are using the Office of the President and the Justice Department to sway the results at an independent polling agency and thus influence other voters.
Which is unsavory at best. Contest their weighting methodolgy in the press perhaps, but don’t bring Federal Lawsuits against them.
From now on, no-one can ever complain about various people expressing whatever opinion they wish. Suck it up.
Exactly. It’s so easy now for everyone to visit the Fuck Gina Rinehart page and her fake Twitter account to discover for themselves what an infantile cesspit of hate and envy the Australian left has become.
Zatara and JamesK, you both need to take a chill pill. You both criticised my original post for different reasons (fair enough), but then starting arguing with each other about what the argument was about! I quoted a current Gallup poll, Zatara pointed out Gallup shouldn’t be trusted based on an earlier poll, and JamesK then interpreted that as talking about the current poll. So you are arguing about two different polls!
Yesterday’s shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 46% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns 45% of the vote. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided.
This will probably uptick modestly when the three rolling days have Friday as the last day.
But the point remains that the Dems are using the Office of the President and the Justice Department to sway the results at an independent polling agency and thus influence other voters.
I think both JamesK and I agree that this is another instance of Chicago-style politics emanating from the White house.
After Gallup collects and processes survey data, each respondent is assigned a weight so that the demographic characteristics of the total weighted sample of respondents match the latest estimates of the demographic characteristics of the adult population available from the U.S. Census Bureau. Gallup weights data to census estimates for gender, race, age, educational attainment, and region.
Then they decide what constitutes a potential voter.
After Gallup collects and processes survey data, each respondent is assigned a weight so that the demographic characteristics of the total weighted sample of respondents match the latest estimates of the demographic characteristics of the adult population available from the U.S. Census Bureau. Gallup weights data to census estimates for gender, race, age, educational attainment, and region.
Then they decide what constitutes a potential voter.
How Are Gallup Polls Conducted
None of this negates my critique Zatara.
Gallop weight for general population characteristics other than political affiliation.
At 3:45 pm, I wrote:
The President’s Daily Tracking Approval is not weighted nor reported afaik and since it’s not voting intention that’s probably reasonable.
By weighted I meant for political party membership.
I was correct there too.
Amazing for a man who doesn’t know even basic mathematics nor the difference between an adult and a child.
Yes, JamesK. But not just Axelrod, also the AG’s suit against Gallup which I’m sure would disappear if they’d please Axelrod and the Imperial President.
Marr presents a “profile” of Abbott for the Good Weekend magazine.
Marr surely seems to have a bit of a strange thing about Abbott.
It’s almost like he’s got a bit of a secret crush on him, and that what he would really like is for Abbott to …
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Yes, JamesK. But not just Axelrod, also the AG’s suit against Gallup which I’m sure would disappear if they’d please Axelrod and the Imperial President.
I’m not aware of the ins and outs but with Holder’s justice Dep’t (a contradiction in terms) nothing would surprise
Surely Holder is the, most disgracefully hyper-partisan and creepy AG in US history.
Holder’s continued presence is a stain on Obummer and his administration.
With administration colleagues like Holder no wonder so many run for the exits.
Given the level of taxation on smoking there are no overall costs to the community from smoking. Smoking is in the black.
Trust a catalaxative to count costs purely in dollar terms! However, I think even in that measure you are incorrect.
Some numbers in dollars and deaths
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However, I think even in that measure you are incorrect. Some numbers in dollars and deaths
Where in the above is the revenue received from taxes, etc. levied on smoking? Oh, in a section you didn’t link to, 17.4, which indicates net revenue to federal and state govts totalling $3.5B.
Wallace’s point regarding sodomy is a scientific, statistical fact. Homosexuals die up to 20 years earlier than heterosexuals. According to the US CDC, homosexuality is also driving an AIDS and syphilis epidemic. Sodomy kills. It’s that simple. So we return to his point. Why is smoking condemned while homosexuality is celebrated?
Exactly. It’s so easy now for everyone to visit the Fuck Gina Rinehart page and her fake Twitter account to discover for themselves what an infantile cesspit of hate and envy the Australian left has become.
Gina has the financial resources to see legal redress for this.
Click on “2012 Demographics” at that link. You will find all those registered voters you claim they don’t count.
LOL.
Having had me read a 4 page pdf file earlier in his nonsensical smart-arsery (which only confirmed what I had already said), Zatara apparently now has found a completely different Gallop poll from the Presidential job approval that Steve posted that we have been discussing.
Apparently Zatara wants to conflate the two.
This latest is the Presidential Race 7 day rolling poll of likely voters .
Why is smoking condemned while homosexuality is celebrated?
Because homosexuality is a ’cause’ and supporting the cause is fashionable. Just like Global Warming was fashinable (Some, like Marr and Turnball cling to the comfort of their adopted cause and insist the craze is not over, but really, Global Warming is so ‘yesterday’.)
Smoking used to be fashionable, all the great film stars did it, now (with apologies to Cats who still feel the nicotine rush) it is just smelly and people who smoke have been forced outside. Next to the bins. With other poor souls in their support group, they huddle in their offensiveness, looking out with a defiant ‘jack shit’ us against the world look, but the nanny state will not be satisfied until they are driven from even this small refuge.
Global warming will end up there too (next to the bins) but I suspect Marr and Turnball will abandon the cause before it gets to the alley way and it will only be Tubbsie and a few pathetic acolytes who mourn at the site.
Homosexuality? Has a long way to run before it is unfashionable. I have been reading about the Romans and the Greeks, all a good while ago and it seemed a not uncommon practice then, although not held to the heights of respect we are asked to these days.
It is merely the current fashionable cause, and by asking/questioning, we are deemed the lowest of the low, just as we were/are in all matters Global Warming. They will find something new in a year or so, those who cannot live without a cause.
In a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 20 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years will not reach their 65th birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871.
Gillard tribute to her dad was nice, as ex[ected of course, but this bit:
He taught me to believe in Labor and in trade unionism.
a bit strange but then people grieve in their own way. When I wrote the eulogy for my dear mum, it never occurred to me to include a comment about her thoughts on the trade unionism and what she taught me about the commie bastards.
America is so broketastically brokey-broke that one day, in the grim future that could be, society may even be forced to consider whether there is any meaningful return on investment for paying a quarter-million bucks to send the scions of wealth and privilege to school till early middle age to study Reproductive Justice. But, as it stands right now, a Cornell and Georgetown graduate doesn’t understand the central reality of the future her elders have bequeathed her. There’s no “choice” in the matter. It’s showing up whatever happens in November. All the election will decide is whether America wants to address that reality, or continue to live in delusion — like a nation staggering around with a giant condom rolled over its collective head.
Any space aliens prowling through the rubble of our civilization and stumbling upon a recording of the convention compatible with Planet Zongo DVD players will surely marvel at the valuable peak airtime allotted to Sandra Fluke. It was weird to see her up there among the governors and senators — as weird as Bavarians thought it was when King Ludwig decided to make his principal advisor Lola Montez, the Irish-born “Spanish dancer” and legendary grande horizontale. I hasten to add I’m not saying Miss Fluke is King Barack’s courtesan. For one thing, it’s a striking feature of the Age of Perfected Liberalism that modern liberals talk about sex 24/7 while simultaneously giving off the persistent whiff that the whole thing’s a bit of a chore. Hence, the need for government subsidy. And, in fairness to Miss Montez, she used sex to argue for liberalized government, whereas Miss Fluke uses liberalism to argue for sexualized government.
But those distinctions aside, like Miss Fluke Miss Montez briefly wielded an influence entirely disproportionate to her talents…….
The tragedy for America is that Sandra Fluke is all too typical.
The tenure of the Welsh-born Archbishop, who steps down after 10 years in December, has been marked by a bruising war between liberals and traditionalists in the Church of England and the wider Anglican Communion over the issue of homosexuality, including the ordination of gay bishops.
There has also been a divisive row over female clergy.
Admitting he may not have got it right he told the newspaper the top job might better be done by two people.
“I don’t think I’ve got it right over the last 10 years, it might have helped a lot if I’d gone sooner to the United States when things began to get difficult about the ordination of gay bishops, and engaged more directly,” he told the newspaper, adding: “I know that I’ve, at various points, disappointed both conservatives and liberals.
“Most of them are quite willing to say so, quite loudly.”
Talking about the new role, he said: “It would be a very different communion, because the history is just bound up with that place, that office (Archbishop).
From CL’s link about the Anglicans. Well, here come more members for the Ordinariate.
Smoking used to be fashionable, all the great film stars did it, now (with apologies to Cats who still feel the nicotine rush) it is just smelly and people who smoke have been forced outside.
This is one of the most common mistakes in analyses of smoking culture. Smoking is cool – quite apart from whether it is fashionable. By cool, I mean rebellious, FU, drive society’s establishment mad, offend your teachers, piss off your parents, irritate that constipated-looking tut-tutter at the party etc. COOL.
Never been cooler.
The more the Roxons of the world carry on about it, the cooler it stays.
Their calculations are not particularly relevant any more. HIV prevalence by sexuality has changed, infection rates have changed a lot, treatment has changed enormously.
“But kiddies can have it ‘shoved down their throat’ as ‘a lifestyle choice’ at your local gubberment school”
Steyn is dismissed by some as a pessimist – even as someone whose schtich is pessimism. I tend to think he’s probably right. America is finished as a freedom-loving country. They pretend and wave the flag but statistics don’t lie. Half of the country is on some form of government dole.
Where in the above is the revenue received from taxes, etc. levied on smoking? Oh, in a section you didn’t link to, 17.4, which indicates net revenue to federal and state govts totalling $3.5B.
Well done d-b, and what did the same report tell you about your statement, “smoking was in the black?”
and what did the same report tell you about your statement, “smoking was in the black?”
That it is very slightly in the red if you consider the tangible social costs like health care and labour in the workforce figures. Labour in the household and the intangible social costs seem to me arguable, at best.
Their calculations are not particularly relevant any more. HIV prevalence by sexuality has changed, infection rates have changed a lot, treatment has changed enormously.
I’d like to see what that study would look like with updated figures. If these figures from the CDC are to be accepted:
The data, presented at CDC’s 2010 National STD Prevention Conference, finds that the rate of new HIV diagnoses among men who have sex with men (MSM) is more than 44 times that of other men and more than 40 times that of women. The range was 522-989 cases of new HIV diagnoses per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men and 13 per 100,000 women. The rate of primary and secondary syphilis among MSM is more than 46 times that of other men and more than 71 times that of women, the analysis says. The range was 91-173 cases per 100,000 MSM vs. 2 per 100,000 other men and 1 per 100,000 women.
then I doubt they have markedly improved. I accept, however, that the prospects of those who are HIV+ is much better today than in the 90s.
Can we expect a Winfield Lesbian Cup and Benson & Hedges Homo Summer of Cricket?
Perhaps gay groups can sponsor F1 team technology?
And the drinker to, fuck them.
I’l have XXXX Solar State of Origin, Bundy Rum Wind Power Wallabies and …..
There is much to be pessimistic about, even without reading Steyn. I note that Vaclav Klaus also thinks things are grim. Even allowing for the Europeans’ penchant for Grimmness, one is forced to conclusions like: Europe is stuffed; the USA will be stuffed if Obama gets another Demolitionist term; Australia is in the process of being stuffed; Political Correctness is now the principal weapon of the stuffers, who are not just in the parliament but also in the various institutions. We know who they are.
There is now so much attention directed at anyone around youngsters that even ordinary mums and dads might think twice about getting involved in a youth group or scouts/guides.
Amateur photographers have to think twice about snapping any public scene involving young people, for fear of being labelled a perve. I do not condone photographing young people in inappropriate settings or states of undress. But the arts community had a blind spot when this became a cause celebre in respect of a certain photographer.
But when a young school girl is encouraged to write about a homosexual relationship, necessarily fabricated since it is in a place and time unknown to her, it is lauded as an achievement. Such is the dissonance of modern life, art and politics.
Regarding stats on smokers. A patients medical records has documented whether the patient is a current smoker, ex smoker, non smoker recorded for government statistics.
You can have a broken leg from falling off a ladder, be a smoker and this is counted in the statistics of smokers being a blight on the community even though smoking had nothing to do with your hospitalization.
I question most of Nanny Roxons statistics on health and smoking.
Their calculations are not particularly relevant any more. HIV prevalence by sexuality has changed, infection rates have changed a lot…
Codswallop.
Pro rata – according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) – AIDS is 50 times more prevalent amongst homosexual men than heterosexuals. Homosexual men also made up 65 percent of the reported primary and secondary syphilis cases in 2007, according to the CDC. The CDC has also found that homosexual men are 44 times more likely to be HIV positive than heterosexuals. Perhaps the most dangerous group of all are black homosexuals – amongst whom syphilis rates have soured 134 percent in recent years. During the same period, syphilis rates among the general population fell by 1.6 percent.
Now once again: why – as Wallace asks – is smoking condemned while homosexuality is celebrated? It’s a legitimate question but has been met by a predictable onslaught of ad hominem abuse and threats of legal action.
Fascists find freedom alluring. Fascism, of course, is only for the peasants. Like all collectivist philosophies, fascism is a top-down leave pass for the elite. That’s why the green left fascists who run this country love it.
Febro certainly gave us an example, unwittingly, of a non sequitur: Smokers of tobacco are…people who have lost control of themselves.
Any number of people of supreme self-mastery have smoked in the past: Einstein, Oakeshott, Russell, Tolkien, among a legion of others readily come to mind.
Can we expect a Winfield Lesbian Cup and Benson & Hedges Homo Summer of Cricket?
jumpnmcar, I’m entirely sure I get the point you were trying to make, but tobacco companies have not sponsored cricket or football (or any sport) in Australia since the mid 90′s. The sports have continued to be succesful with other sponsors.
a bit strange but then people grieve in their own way. When I wrote the eulogy for my dear mum, it never occurred to me to include a comment about her thoughts on the trade unionism and what she taught me about the commie bastards.
Gab Gillard is a bit like Thatcher in that she regards her father as the wellspring of her political ideas and indeed the inspirational springboard for her life in politics. Politics is her life and IMO the loss of her father can be seen in that context.
Wallace’s comments seem to have missed the point. It’s a non-sensical comparison. Smoking frequently causes serious illness and death. Unprotected sex and promiscuity also causes serious illness and death (I don’t have stats on the frequecy). Homosexuality – per se – does not cause illness and death.
Politics is her life why, yes, yes it is. As I said, she grieves in her own way; it strikes me that the inclusion of Labor and unionism is a bit like and now a word from our sponsor, imho.
No, the comparison does not involve homosexuality per se. It is between average rates of serious illness and death for active smokers and active homosexuals.
Looking at polls, Rasmussen still has the poll basically a dead heat. But this poll leans strongly to Obama. Why would there be such a discrepancy? Has anyone ever heard of FiveThirtyEight poll?
Thanks Gab, but the link I posted was to FiveThirtyEight poll, so i wanted to know if anyone had experience with it. Is it believable?
That’s a very nifty link though, thanks.
THE NSW government has promised to triple the amount of energy generated by wind turbines and solar panels in NSW over the next eight years at no extra cost to the public.
Its draft ”renewable energy action” plan confirms its commitment to a 20 per cent renewable energy target by 2020, up from about 8 per cent today, but claims this can be done mainly with money from private investor
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The plan, which was overseen by the parliamentary secretary Rob Stokes, said that by 2020 wind energy would replace coal as the cheapest power source in NSW.
Their analysis raised the question of whether Hollywood firms that already enjoy numerous tax advantages should get another break and took aim at some of the “opaque” accounting maneuvers used by the studios.
“Forrest Gump,” one of the industry’s highest grossing productions, showed no profit on the books, the analysis noted.
“Perhaps the highest level of creativity in Hollywood,” it said, “is the creative accounting.”
Well, Eva Longoria wanted to pay more taxes. Her whole industry just may get the chance to fulfill her dream.
The CDC had already revealed last year that approximately 53% of the estimated 56,300 new HIV cases in 2006 were in homosexual men
At the time and place of the 1997 study, on the other hand, 95% of HIV cases were in homosexual men. So you’ve just proved that my comment was correct.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) – AIDS is 50 times more prevalent amongst homosexual men than heterosexuals. Homosexual men also made up 65 percent of the reported primary and secondary syphilis cases in 2007, according to the CDC. The CDC has also found that homosexual men are 44 times more likely to be HIV positive than heterosexuals. Perhaps the most dangerous group of all are black homosexuals – amongst whom syphilis rates have soured 134 percent in recent years. During the same period, syphilis rates among the general population fell by 1.6 percent.
Now once again: why – as Wallace asks – is smoking condemned while homosexuality is celebrated? It’s a legitimate question but has been met by a predictable onslaught of ad hominem abuse and threats of legal action.
Because CL, homosexuality does not cause HIV. Unprotected sex causes HIV. So we should campaign strongly to encourage safe sex. Oh that’s right, we do.
A letter in today’s SMH said it well I thought. “I will stop going into ”overdrive”, Nan Howard (Letters, September 7), when people such as Jim Wallace say, ”Being gay carries risks, so be careful” rather than, ”Being gay carries risks, so don’t be gay.”
According to a February 2007 study, for example, homosexual men with HIV are 90 times more likely to develop anal cancer than the rest of the population.
Gosh, I wonder why that might be.
Now how come nobody is answering Wallace?
Why is this ‘lifestyle’ not officially discouraged by the state – like smoking?
Male homosexual sex is “fuelling” the rapid rise in HIV/AIDS infections in Asia, according to a recent report by the Western Pacific Branch of the World Health Organization (WHO). The WHO warned today that the HIV/AIDS epidemic may take a major turn for the worse in Asia.
The central role of male homosexual sex in the HIV spread has prompted WHO’s Western Pacific office, in collaboration with the United Nations Development Program, UNAIDS and the Hong Kong Department of Health, to implement AIDS prevention programs in light of the unique vulnerability of people with same-sex attractions.
“Studies show that at present, the proportion of HIV infections being transmitted among men who have sex with men is larger and more significant than we had originally believed,” said Dr Massimo Ghidinelli, WHO Regional Adviser in HIV/AIDS and Sexually Transmitted Infections. “Action needs to be taken now if a major increase in HIV/AIDS cases is to be averted. We need to target HIV prevention strategies, together with better access to health services, for men who have sex with men (MSM).”
The release cites a 2007 report showing an increase in AIDS infections across Asia, and mentions China in particular, where the risk of infection by active homosexual men is 45 times higher than for men in general. The WHO noted that Asia is thought to have the world’s largest number of actively homosexual men, estimated at 10 million.
It is no exaggeration to say that this ongoing epidemic is being ignored by Western governments – except in reactionary terms – because shut up.
CL, I am happy to agree that a homosexual lifestyle makes one vulnerable to all manner of diseases and problems that could shorten your lifespan.
So what? If one did not practice homosexual activities, does that mean they a not a poof?. Of course they still are. They are still made up that way, there is nothing a homsexual can do about it, just like skin colour, unless you are advocating they live a lie and marry some poor long suffering woman. It is not a lifestyle choice.
Smoking, on the other hand, no matter how much pleasure someone may get from it, is a lifestyle choice. The two issues should not have any correlations whatsoever.
“They are still made up that way, there is nothing a homsexual can do about it, just like skin colour…”
A very interesting opition – one which you have seriously not thought through. So let’s see, does that mean they are some sort of other gender, neither male nor female? Or does that mean they have some sort of defect which really needs sorting? Or maybe that means Penny Wong should have stuck with Weatherill and given her child a father?
But anyway, what I wanted to say is: nice to see you back Cat. Many thanks and well done Jacques.
State Liberal MPs have confirmed Australia’s worst-kept secret: Do-nothing premier Red Ted Baillieu’s government would be thrown out in an election:
Placing renewed pressure on the Government, the Liberal MPs spoke independently to the Herald Sun, saying seat-by-seat internal polling pointed to the outcome.
The four MPs under pressure are first-term politicians: Seymour’s Cindy McLeish, Bentleigh’s Elizabeth Miller, Mordialloc’s Lorraine Wreford and Carrum’s Donna Bauer.
The polling was conducted earlier this year and MPs were briefed on how they had performed as recently as last month, during a Parliamentary sitting week.
OK, I’ve mentioned this before, still waiting for the dam to break. Who will take the lead on what has to be the most important story of economic idiocy this century so far? James Delingpole’s blog has the links to Bishop’s Hill and to Lilley’s critique of Stern. Who’s going to pick up this huge story? Will it be The Cat’s emminent commentators like Sinc & Co., or Bolt, or Quadrant?
This is so important because governments are basing bad decisions on Stern and Garnaut, and alarmists use both to bolster their destructive master plans to change our society for the worse, economically and overall control-freakishly.
Rob Oakeshott’s mate Peter Besssiling romps home in local Election for Mayor.
Minister Hartcher now aware of rip-off pricing for Electricity, bans advertising by distributers.
HAAAAAAHAAAAA.
The Tide is turning.
Victor Hansen has a long piece on the evolution of the Democrats since the old days when they sought some watering down of the rugged individualism of the Republicans via 40-hour week, overtime pay and some form of social safety net. He now identifies them as radical reactionaries pushing ever increasing entitlements and expenditures: They no longer believe that their creed works or can work, only that somehow it must remain in control — or else.
Sounds familiar.
We have our home grown variety. Shades of the Twighlight Zone when you are asked “Do you want to see something really scary?”
Just read Piers Ackermann’s column on the national debt.
The chief of the federal thought police Nanny Roxon is proposing police state powers on the retention of internet data:
There aren’t many details yet. From what we can tell, the government wants to force all internet service providers to record details about every email their customers send, every website they visit, and every communication they make.
The providers will have to store those records for up to two years, just in case the police or the Commonwealth spy agency ASIO want to look at them later.
This data retention scheme would be an institutionalised, systematic invasion of our privacy – at least as bad as the Hawke government’s proposed Australia Card was in the 1980s. And it is certainly scarier than any of John Howard’s post-September 11 security laws.
Tom @8.41, I’ve got that book in transit from Amazon.com as we speak. As if I didn’t have enough to read (Coren’s Heresy is the current reading) this one will head to the top of the pile.
Socialist EU is putting together some Smoot Hawley regulation to turn get this economic recession into a real depression.
What over? The overpriced icons of vanity of the AGW Green cult of course:
China said Thursday it “deeply regrets” a European Union decision to probe claims solar panel products were being sold by Chinese firms below cost and warned of problems potential penalties may cause.
The European Union said Thursday it has decided to start an anti-dumping investigation after evidence provided by EU ProSun showed the Chinese products have had “substantial adverse effects on the financial situation of the Union industry”.
The Green industry sounds like the way of the future, we better shut down all our “old, evvvvaaaalll, dddddirrrtyyyy manufacturing” as it looks like this is the highly efficient market we want our economy to be dependent on.
We have our home grown variety. Shades of the Twighlight Zone when you are asked “Do you want to see something really scary?”
Just read Piers Ackermann’s column on the national debt.
Thanks for the link, it is good that Piers is ensuring some of the sunlight of truth shine on the squalid distortions the Stenographers peddle about the immigrant-hating, Khmer Rouge loving Gough Whitlam – who endorsed a plan to get cash from the Iraqi Baath party (i.e. Saddaam) to bale him from the fiscal hell he created.
How can Sydney call itself a world class city when it continues to elect a Green loon as Lord Mayor?
At the moment she is “selling the dream” of that wharf development – and her base of renters and inner city greens give her a plurality.
You do know that unionised labour will ensure cost blowouts, and therefore the rate-payers (i.e. commercial tennants) in the next term will be getting hit by big increases in rates. That will turn the tide.
I am interested if businesses have realised about Clover’s suppress the business vote strategy. I trust that in coming elections as rates spike and as they get better informed there will be some movement in the polls.
With his “enlightened” world view where Ms Fluke is a modern saint, I’m sure SoB would avoid any 1950′s style conservative thinking if his daughter told him the truth on why she thinks it is critical the government pay for her birth control:
CL, I am happy to agree that a homosexual lifestyle makes one vulnerable to all manner of diseases and problems that could shorten your lifespan.
So what?
So if we’re to condemn smoking, we should condemn sodomy.
If not, why not?
This was Wallace’s point.
Nobody has answered him yet – because they can’t.
They are still made up that way, there is nothing a homsexual can do about it…
No no. Sorry. Homosexuals have insisted for years that they choose to be gay. This was a dogma of the gay lobby for decades. You seem to be saying that lighting a cigarette is a choice but inserting your penis into another man’s bottom is some sort of unstoppable compulsion. This is insulting to many homosexuals, isn’t it?
JOHN HINDERAKER ASKS: Why Is This Election Even Close? “On paper, given Obama’s record, this election should be a cakewalk for the Republicans. Why isn’t it? I am afraid the answer may be that the country is closer to the point of no return than most of us believed. With over 100 million Americans receiving federal welfare benefits, millions more going on Social Security disability, and many millions on top of that living on entitlement programs – not to mention enormous numbers of public employees – we may have gotten to the point where the government economy is more important, in the short term, than the real economy.”
CL, I don’t rule out some confused lads adopting the gay lifestyle even if they aren’t inherently homosexual, one of the guys I shared a house with back in the day could possibly fall into that category. . But I find it hard to believe there would be as many gays in the population as there are if there wasn’t a genetic component. Something in their wiring means they are attracted to the same sex more than the opposite sex.
There is no genetic compulsion to smoking. There might be degrees of susceptibility to addiction correlating to genetics, but an addictive personality would be the case in general rather than ciggies specifically.
we may have gotten to the point where the government economy is more important, in the short term, than the real economy.
Yep, client politics. Here conservative govts appeasement – currently O’Farrell and Baillieu the most egregious – in the culture wars have ratcheted up the degree of difficulty with each surrender making the task for following conservative govts more onerous and difficult.
From Toke’s link: a fucked-up female who chose prostitution as a devastating retaliation against her parents’ delinquency illustrates why some people should be banned from having children:
I was a typical pink-diaper baby: I sat in on my mom’s feminist book clubs, we had family outings to protest U.S. imperialism in El Salvador, and I was into Joan Armatrading while my classmates were obsessed with New Kids on the Block. Fortunately, my crushing unpopularity was alleviated by a wonderful home life. All told, I can safely say I am a product of good parenting. I was encouraged, not coddled. I learned to be responsible at an early age by being given, within limits, a great deal of independence. My appreciation for my family goes well beyond their parenting skills. They aren’t guilty liberals who stir into action when an election or a war rolls around; they have always been fully engaged in living and working in radical ways. They never imposed their politics on me — my own politics mirror theirs because they taught me to think critically and set a powerful example of how to live. I’d be embarrassed by my uncanny similarity to my parents if I didn’t think they’re, well, totally amazing.
Even dying is political to these lowrents. They “can’t even stop for a second without thinking about it.
Yeah I thought that too. How come it became all about HER?”
yeh, i was wondering why she didn’t mention her mum and that the family were around supporting mum etc as the most important thing right now, taking care of mum.
I’m sure they are, but it’s the kind of thing people usually say, not about Trade Unions and the importance of education?
It’s not about a comparison between homosexuality and smoking.
It’s about state policy vis-a-vis homosexuality and smoking.
One group is pilloried and harrassed while the other is indulged and celebrated.
This needs to be explained by health fascists.
It’s not enough to argue that homosexuals can’t help themselves. There are many conditions which cause people to do things which are nonetheless discouraged or even illegal.
And to re-clarify: for me this is an exercise in rational explication. I am not personally condemning homosexuals for being homosexuals. When a man makes such comments in a free country and is condemned by the prime minister, sanctimonious dickhead Jeff Kennet and threatened with charges or jail by the Greens, we have to both demand that he be answered respectfully (and truthfully) and defended as a citizen with unalienable rights. On the face of it, Wallace makes a sound point – which is why are only responding with shut up.
Ol’ Leatherface seems to mistake himself for one of the 99% Occupy movement repeating the BBC’s claim Rinehart makes $2m an hour. Le Snore Taylor seriously out of her depth today.
repeating the BBC’s claim Rinehart makes $2m an hour
Wonder how much Bill Gates makes an hour? Wonder how much Oprah makes an hour? Wonder why the lefties continue to blatantly lie about what Gina actually said?
Because they can. Well yes, anyone can, but what is the motivation behind it? Why do they feel the need to lie? What purpose does it serve them? Is it merely reactionary to a conservative job creator speaking out? Is it fear? If so what do they fear? That Gina will somehow magically force labour rates down? Or is it they realise some truth being pointed out to them and that truth is really really scary? Is it too scary for them to actually explore the truth as instinctively they know where it will lead? It’s all rather jejune and burying their collectivist heads in the sand and lying will not change any truth.
This is one of the most common mistakes in analyses of smoking culture. Smoking is cool – quite apart from whether it is fashionable. By cool, I mean rebellious, FU, drive society’s establishment mad, offend your teachers, piss off your parents, irritate that constipated-looking tut-tutter at the party etc. COOL.
Never been cooler.
The more the Roxons of the world carry on about it, the cooler it stays.
–CL, 8 Sep 12 at 6:39 pm
Wonder how much Bill Gates makes an hour? Wonder how much Oprah makes an hour? Wonder why the lefties continue to blatantly lie about what Gina actually said?
Bill Gates has given many millions to try to eradicate Malaria, as far as we know Gina has kept all hers for herself.
Only guessing, of course, but I think it’s a variety of “shut up!”.
The fundamental self-deceit in the leftist meme is that intentions matter more than results. This leads to perverse outcomes like the Greens’ boat people policies. However, they won’t even consider the fact that they might be wrong; that their good intentions don’t matter a damn.
In this case, they refuse to even consider the possibility that high wages and “good conditions” (read: low productivity) can’t be sustained.
So we get “Shut up, I don’t want to hear that, you’re lying!”
Bernard Arnault, France’s richest man and chairman and chief executive of LVMH Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton, is seeking Belgian citizenship, a move that comes as President François Hollande prepares to press ahead with a controversial tax on the country’s wealthiest citizens.
LVMH confirmed Mr. Arnault’s request in a statement, but stressed the billionaire “is and remains” a taxpayer in France.
“The potential granting of the dual French-Belgian citizenship doesn’t change anything to this situation nor his determination to keep up with the development of the LVMH group and the consequent creation of jobs in France,” the company said.
The luxury behemoth said Mr. Arnault has numerous ties to Belgium, both on a personal and professional level.
Mr. Arnault’s request was first reported in Belgian newspaper La Libre Belgique on Saturday.
Georges Dallemagne, president of Belgium’s naturalization commission, said Mr. Arnault’s case was filed at the end of August and will be “treated like others.” Mr. Dallemagne said the process would take until “early next year, at best.”
Though the LVMH titan denies his move is fiscally motivated, the timing of Mr. Arnault’s request is sure to intensify the debate about whether Mr. Hollande’s tax policies are sparking an exodus of the country’s rich.
The fundamental self-deceit in the leftist meme is that intentions matter more than results.
Good intentions being the paving stones to hell and all, as they say. It appears they don’t look beyond intentions (because they’re all good, eh?) to possible results or even do investigative scenarios in order to determine possible unintended consequences. It’s as if they have underdeveloped pre-frontal cortices. Instant gratification (good intention-feeling) trumps reasoning out possible consequences.
So if we’re to condemn smoking, we should condemn sodomy.
If not, why not?
Homosexuality is an inextricable part of a person’s identity. Smoking is merely a bad habit that can be given up.
CL, you got upset when SteveC (I think) made analogies between atheism and theism. Equating homosexuality with smoking would be equally upsetting to homosexual people.
How do you know Gina ” has kept the money to herself” you putzhead?
She may donate money anonymously. Furthermore, it’s her money so keep our filthy, diseased ridden, envious eyes off it. Its not yours, you slob.
So nice to see that you have maintained an open mind.
Her money is certainly hers to do with as see wills.
She may even see away to take it with her when she goes on holiday or something.
Shut up, Monty explains. The same Monty who resurrected the Middle Ages by calling for all sufferers of depressive illnesses to be forced from public view.
It is the same deal. A man no more needs a Rothmans in his mouth as a penis in his bottom. They’re both choices. Both demonstrably dangerous to one’s health and the health of others.
It is the same deal. A man no more needs a Rothmans in his mouth as a penis in his bottom. They’re both choices. Both demonstrably dangerous to one’s health and the health of others.
This is the 21st century where we have IVF, there’s no need for heterosexual sex either. That’s a major disease vector too, especially in Africa. All sex is risky, that doesn’t mean it should be banned.
Smoking, however, kills you. Emphysema is inevitable for long term smokers. No exceptions, unless you die of something else first.
FFS CL, are you really stupid or what? Sodomy DOES NOT CAUSE HIV. Having unprotected sex (homosexual or heterosexual) with a partner who is HIV positive carries a high risk of contracting HIV. So the “state policy” is to recommend SAFE SEX. The only safe way to smoke is to not smoke. So the “state policy” is to recommend to NOT SMOKE.
Here’s some reading for you on how HIV is transmitted and how to avoid it.
Research has proven that homosexuals die anything up to 20 years earlier than heterosexuals. So why doesn’t the state take measures to discourage it? GO!
Right. Like sodomy, according to the CDC and the World Health Organisation. Takes 20 years off your life.
A complete and deliberate lie. You are repeating the lie of Tea Party hopeful Bob Marshall, who uses a 1997 Vancouver study as his evidence, which its authors have rejected.
We spoke to Julio Montaner, a co-author of the study and director of the British Columbia Center for Excellence in HIV/AIDs. He said Marshall’s statement is a “gross misrepresentation” of the research.
“To use my report to support the notion that gay and bisexual sex is somehow the reason why people die early is misusing the data,” Montaner said.
Montaner noted that his group’s original report was conducted at a time when the HIV epidemic was poorly controlled and treatments were ineffective. Since then, there have have been great strides in treating the disease and preventing its spread, Montaner said. In British Columbia, annual diagnoses of new infections have dropped from 900 in the mid-1990s to 300 in recent years, he said. Deaths from HIV also have fallen sharply, he said.
In the United States, figures from the Centers for Disease Control show that the rate of HIV deaths per 100,000 people peaked at 36.3 deaths in 1995 and fell to 2.7 in 2010, the latest year data is available.
Gay and bisexual men remain the group most heavily affected by HIV, according to the CDC. Although they represent 2 percent of the U.S. population, gay and bisexual men accounted for 61 percent of new HIV infections in 2009.
Our Ruling
Bob Marshall said homosexual behavior cuts a person’s life by about 20 years.
The research Marshall cites to support his claim is two decades old and was conducted near the height of the HIV epidemic. One of the authors said there have been tremendous advances in HIV treatment over the last 20 years and that Marshall’s statement is a “gross misrepresentation” of the research.
The U.S. death rate from HIV was nine times higher in 1990 than it was in 2010, the latest year for the data.
Marshall cites a number of other studies that show homosexuals face certain health risks. But none of them focused on the life expectancy of homosexuals, and they certainly didn’t conclude that gays die about 20 years earlier than heterosexuals.
The fundamental self-deceit in the leftist meme is that intentions matter more than results.
Yes, but I’d say the primary motivation is preening and moral grandstanding. There were no good intentions behind the incitement of the race riot, for example, only an attempt to assume the moral high ground. That Labor and its acolytes resort to such weapons is a measure of their intellectual poverty.
Like sodomy, according to the CDC and the World Health Organisation. Takes 20 years off your life.
CL, you keep equating HIV with sodomy or homosexuality. The state does take measures to discourage the cause of HIV, i.e. unprotected sex. which is why i posted you the links. Can you not understand that the cause of spread of HIV is not homosexuality or male on male sexual intercourse? The major cause of the spread of HIV is anal or vaginal or oral sex (hetero or homo) without using a condom with a partner who is HIV positive.
There is a heap of government campaigns to encourage safe sex (i.e. avoid sex without a condom) for that exact reason.
If you are not referring to HIV , what does the research you are referring to blame for the 20 year reduced life span?
If CL’s blood pressure isn’t already high enough,this weekends sun-herald magazine has a great article on teenage transsexuals, entitled “What’s wrong with boys wearing dresses?”
d-b “Safe sex” does include anal sex. safe sex means using a condom. you too could read the links i provided at 1.57pm. And no, a few cigs after dinner is not safe, check the links i posted earlier.
I’m sure if penises were meant to go into bottoms then God/Evolution/Gaia/Nature would have arranged for newborn babies to exit the same orifice…
That being said, what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes is frankly their own concern, as long as they are prepared to bear the consequences of their actions, and that innocent children are not exposed to it in any form.
GREENS candidates and campaigners will be going back to basics – and licking their wounds – after votes for the party fell at council elections around NSW.
Greens MP and local government spokesman David Shoebridge said support for the party had “softened” across the state when voters for 150 councils went to the polls on Saturday.
“This was a tough election to be talking about the progressive policies that the Greens practise: talking about restraining overdevelopment, reining in corporate Australia,” Mr Shoebridge told reporters in Sydney on Sunday.
“These kind of policies had a pretty hard go in an election where the electorate was clearly moving to the right.” …
Mr Shoebridge said the “toxic” state of federal politics could be partly to blame for the disappointing results.
I love the way the Greenfilth communists describe anything that’s not lunatic left destruction of the Australian economy and the denial of democracy to the majority who did not vote for or want the government they have as “toxic”.
SteveC, let’s say, for the sake of argument, that you are right. How then do you account for HIV being 44x more prevalent among gay men than other men and 40x than women, primary and secondary syphilis rates being 46 times greater than those of other men and 71 times those of women, and anal cancer rates for HIV- gay/bi-men is 20x that of the general population while for HIV+ gay/ bi-men it is 40x more prevalent. I’m not sure the difference can be accounted for completely by unprotected sex.
Mr Shoebridge said the “toxic” state of federal politics could be partly to blame for the disappointing results.
Don’t ya just love the duplicity of these lefties? After the trouncing they & Labor got in NT, the cry went out across LeftyLand” No, no it had nothing to do with federal politics and the policies of the Gillard government” and yet today the story is now reversed.
So nice to see that you have maintained an open mind.
I did, you fucking envious degenerate. I mentioned how you really have no way of knowing if she donates money to charity or not. I also added to fuck off and stop talking about her money you stalker. It’s nothing to do with you, so fuck off and leave her alone.
Her money is certainly hers to do with as see wills.
Eggsactly. Glad to see you’ve picked up on it, although I would imagine that you along with other leftwing degenerates would love to see it taken away from her.
She may even see away to take it with her when she goes on holiday or something
Stop stalking her, fuckface. Leave her alone and don’t mention her.
Oh, come on CL, you know why – because they’re hypocrites, that’s why.
Right. Yay! But note the extreme and comical limits somebody like Monty will go to in order to deny reality.
Monty’s answer: because “heterosexual sex is no longer necessary.”
LOL.
CL, you keep equating HIV with sodomy or homosexuality.
In fact, I haven’t once mentioned HIV.
We know that homosexuals die earlier than heterosexuals and also that an epidemic is currently underway involving sodomy-caused AIDS and syphilis transmission – not least in Asia.
So we return to Wallace’s question: why is the government condemning smokers while celebrating homosexuality?
If CL’s blood pressure isn’t already high enough,this weekends sun-herald magazine has a great article on teenage transsexuals, entitled “What’s wrong with boys wearing dresses?”
I don’t have high blood pressure.
Jim Wallace’s critics do.
Reason: because he’s right and they have no argument.
Ergo: shut up.
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And again for the record: Modern Monty has argued here repeatedly and passionately that all people with depressive illnesses must be forcibly removed from public roles. He said voters and taxpayers should not be held captive to their decisions. This means that Monty wants all public servants with depression sacked.
Morning, Snic. Please don’t shoot the new troll out of the cannon just yet. He’s just hanging around, pretending to be inoffensive. The thumb-sucking envy will get harder to suppress until the volcano of hate has its Vesuvius moment when the backpack of TNT detonates and dispatches him to the Thousand Virgins dreamtime. I believe you’ll know the moment from the green and watermelon red explosion. Pity the Cat doesn’t have a video channel.
Actually, when you really think about it, the only safe sex one can practice is Monster sex, which is no sex at all with anyone, or SteveC, sex which is having sex with Kimberly the plastic sex doll he bought. However recent studies have shown that the plastic from what Kimberly of is made of eventually becomes toxic. So SteveC beware. You’ve got the heads up.
From the CDC fact sheet linked to by CL, via LIfeSiteNews:
Complex Factors Increase Risk High prevalence of HIV: The existing high prevalence of HIV among gay and bisexual men means MSM face a greater risk of being exposed to infection with each sexual encounter, especially as they get older. For young black MSM, partnering with older black men (among whom HIV prevalence is high) may also lead to increased risk.
Lack of knowledge of HIV status: Studies show that individuals who know they are infected take steps to protect their partners. Yet many MSM are unaware of their status and may unknowingly be transmitting the virus to others. Additionally, some MSM may make false assumptions or have inaccurate information about their partner’s HIV status. It is critical to ensure that sexually active MSM get tested for HIV at least annually, or more frequently as needed.
Complacency about risk: Among young MSM in particular, complacency about HIV may play a key role in HIV risk, since these men did not personally experience the severity of the early AIDS epidemic. Additional challenges for many MSM include maintaining consistently safe behaviors over time, underestimating personal risk, and the false belief that because of treatment advances, HIV is no longer a serious health threat. We must reach each generation of MSM and develop programs that can help MSM remain uninfected throughout the course of their lives.
Social discrimination and cultural issues: For some MSM, social and economic factors, including homophobia, stigma, and lack of access to health care may increase risk behaviors or be a barrier to receiving HIV prevention services.
Substance abuse: Some MSM use alcohol and illegal drugs, contributing to increased risk for HIV infection and other STDs. Substance use can increase the risk for HIV transmission through risky sexual behaviors while under the influence and through sharing needles or other injection equipment.
and the recommendations:
Be smart about HIV. Here’s what you can do to reduce your
risk of infection:
Take control — You have the facts; now protect yourself and
your loved ones. There are three essential ways to reduce
your risk:
1. Don’t have sex (i.e., anal, vaginal or oral)
2. Only have sex (i.e., anal, vaginal or oral) if you’re in a
mutually monogamous relationship with a partner you
know is not infected
3. Use a condom every time you have anal, vaginal or oral
sex. (Correct and consistent use of the male latex condom
is highly effective in reducing HIV transmission.)
Yes, she was, but that’s because she is used to being there in a sort of collective with Fran Kelly and Malcolmm Farr, so that they can all agree with each other that Abbott is bad and has problems with women and really shouldn’t wear those speedo’s; and and and isn’t he so insensitive the way he attacks poor Julia in Parliament. Clearly an insensitive oaf and obviously no woman could vote for him.
Unfortunately for poor ole Lemon Face today, Gerard Henderson called her out on that utterly disgraceful smear of Abbott about some ridiculous incident that was supposed to have happened 35 years ago. Old Lemon Face didn’t like it at all – and seemed to be attempting to make it equivalent to the questions that have been asked as to Gillard’s integrity in the AWU/Slater Gordon affair.
The idea that Taylor could equate these two issues is almost breathtaking.
And note where the Abbott story comes from: That patronising puerile old poof Marr.
Old leatherface Cassidy made the astonishing claim that Gina makes 2 million dollars an hour.
Even basic fact checking would suggest this isn’t correct.
Barrie, Old leatherface $2 million an hour means she would be making something like $17.520 billion per year. Her net worth is now around that, you despicable moron.
You fucking dumb lying deadshit, Bawie, no individual makes that sort of money in Australia.
The asshat needs to apologize.
This is basic arithmetic Bawie that you should have fact checked before you opened your fat stupid leftwing trap.
The people attracted to the Fuck Gina Rinehart Facebook page are the pottymouth dregs of Australian society, most of whom, including the troll, have never had a job in the real economy and are full of entitled leftwing hate and envy. This is the sort of ugly underclass that breeds every half-century or so when you have an extremist anti-capitalist government in power, swimming in debt and uncontrolled spending on welfare and lunatic programs designed to entrench big government.
I see CL has chosen to ignore the exposure of his lies about the 1997 study, and his lie that CDC and WHO supported the incorrect conclusions of an extremist bigot. As usual, reality has a left wing bias, and CL has no way of dealing with reality so he escapes back to his autism-laced fantasies.
Condoms are much more likely to tear during anal sex than vaginal sex. And once your cover is blown, anal sex is an extremely unsafe practice. There is no such thing as Safe Sodomy. It should be taxed and labelled like all other dangerous activities. I think a plain packaging Mardi Gras, where all participants are forced to wear drab overalls, would be a good initial step.
I think a further good move would be for CL, instead of wasting time here talking about it, to personally evangelise outside gay pubs and clubs on a Saturday night, perhaps by wearing a sandwich board carrying the message “Sodomy shortens life. Do not do it tonight.*
At the very least sodomy should be banned on airlines and in all government buildings. Sodomy should also be confined to alfresco areas at cafes and restaurants. A total ban on sodomy advertising is a necessity. Political parties should also be shamed into not accepting donations from Big Sodom.
It’s the damage to the rectum etc in sodomy that is a problem too, which can lead to cancer, condom or not, or just incontinence over time as well.
perhaps J. Wallace was alluding to those things.
i’m sure this discussion has been had before, deja vu.
I think a further good move would be for CL, instead of wasting time here talking about it, to personally evangelise outside gay pubs and clubs on a Saturday night, perhaps by wearing a sandwich board carrying the message “Sodomy shortens life. Do not do it tonight.*
*Ask me about other forms of mutual pleasuring”
Too complicated, SfB. He’d be better served just downloading the kit they give out from Westboro Baptist.
Interesting. stevec, monty, sfb, Jarrah all defending sodomy. The “progressive” left hahahahahaha!
As for you, SFB, there’s been plenty on here attempting to “challenge” CL’s views, I wish they’d stop prolonging the “debate” though. Haven’t they got anything else to do besides stick up for sodomy?
Interesting. stevec, monty, sfb, Jarrah all defending sodomy. The “progressive” left hahahahahaha!
We’re defending individual rights, Gab, against the nanny statism of conservatives. It’s a pity the true libertarians don’t speak up on the issue on this site, evidently they’re scared of abuse from the lunar element like CL.
Btw, who is stopping people in Australia from sodomizing each other?
CL wants to. He wants to drag us back to the 19th century. And only the leftists on here are sticking up for individual rights. It’s rather pissweak by the libertarians on here, to be honest.
I’m all for full disclosure in sex education classes at school. When they discuss hetro sex and other forms of sexual ‘lifestyles” they should be as explicit as possible explaining the in’s and outs of the various sexual acts.
If they explained to say a class of 12 year olds that homosexual sex can include but not restricted to: anal penetration with the partner’s penis or penile shaped object, oral sex, and felching I’m sure they will think very carefully about which orifice they intend to play with in their future years.
The same health warnings with regard to STD’d for both hetro and homosexual sex should apply. Known statistics like mentioned earlier about the prevalence of HIV, Syphillis, drug taking, and other nasties associated with homosexual lifestyles should be as heavily prosecuted as hetro sex. We wouldn’t want some misguided darling growing up and suing because they weren’t warned in their formative years that anal sex was the cause of their cancer.
The man has awesome powers! Awesome – why just be disagreeing with the “progessive” leftwing’s call for a right to sodomy somehow that means CL will stop other people from their unalienable right to sodomise each other. Too funny.
On a happy note I tasted my first Jaboticaba today from one of dads trees.
Lovely grape taste with a little lychee thrown in IMO.
( Link a visual reference )
Smoking is cool – quite apart from whether it is fashionable. By cool, I mean rebellious, FU, drive society’s establishment mad, offend your teachers, piss off your parents, irritate that constipated-looking tut-tutter at the party etc. COOL.
Never been cooler.
No CL, it is not cool in a Rebel Without a Cause Way, it is just smelly and makes me want to vomit.
All the years I smoked, (35) it was never about the ‘cool’ it was always about the rush, the need to feed the urge, seek out other junkies who smoked and cluster. Every moment of the day was spent thinking about when the next fag would be, from the moment I woke to the last before bed. It came to be that I had no enjoyment other than the alleviation of the craving, which was no enjoyment, just a temporary reprieve. It was pathetic. I was pathetic.
Nothing cool about that, at all. But if others want to do it, that is fine. It is their choice, their circumstances. Even if they now have to do it near the bins. How cool is that?
A large number of those people on the dole aren’t able to find work because the government has run them out of the labor market through the FWA regulations. They deserve compensation for what’s happened to them. More in fact.
The only time they deserve condemnation is when we have a relatively free labor market.
Thanks for that, Jump. Have never heard of it. Have you tried The Black Sapote? Just yummo! Only place I’ve seen it was in Cairns, doesn’t appear to travel south.
The man has awesome powers! Awesome – why just be disagreeing with the “progessive” leftwing’s call for a right to sodomy somehow that means CL will stop other people from their unalienable right to sodomise each other. Too funny.
I agree, Gab, with your characterisation of CL as an extremist nutjob whom nobody should take seriously.
And only the leftists on here are sticking up for individual rights. It’s rather pissweak by the libertarians on here, to be honest.
No you’re not, you liar.
I haven’t been involved in this discussion at all, but from what I see no one is advocating any bans, you bullshit artist. That sort of talk only ever comes from “your lot”, you finkelstein douchebag.
We’re defending individual rights, Gab, against the nanny statism of conservatives.
Orwellian. CL has explicitly argued that mortality rates and the incidence of HIV, anal cancer, etc. for bi/ gay men don’t constitute reasons for government measures against bi/ gay men. In fact, he used the analogy to argue against like such measures being used against smokers. And rather than simply agreeing with this, as Jarrah did, you and Stevec have dragged this argument out simply to justify these measures against smokers.
Margaret Thatcher was in favour of decriminalization of sodomy, but she did have a very good law passed known as Section 28 to the local government act, banning the promotion of homosexuality. This was a sensible approach that struck a centrist balance between individual rights and the rights of an informed public. I propose it be reintroduced at once. It would be irresponsible to allow governments to promote smoking, and sodomy is no different.
Orwellian. CL has explicitly argued that mortality rates and the incidence of HIV, anal cancer, etc. for bi/ gay men don’t constitute reasons for government measures against bi/ gay men. In fact, he used the analogy to argue against like such measures being used against smokers. And rather than simply agreeing with this, as Jarrah did, you and Stevec have dragged this argument out simply to justify these measures against smokers.
And I’ve explained the counter to this argument: homosexuality is a part of a person’s identity, whereas smoking is just a bad habit. CL has no answer to this. So he ignores it, as usual.
The case against anal sex being a significant health risk is negligible anyway. Even if you accept the finding that anal cancer is 20 times more prevalent among participants, that is the difference between 0.0017% and 0.03% chance that you would contract it (about 1 in 60000 versus 1 in 3000), according to prevalence rates in the US. One of those risks that we take in life all the time with our lifestyles, in other words. As opposed to smoking, which is guaranteed to end your life early unless something else does even quicker.
homosexuality is a part of a person’s identity, whereas smoking is just a bad habit. CL has no answer to this.
The answer is that in both cases we should let people make their own choices. It’s not the government’s job to spend taxpayers’ money saving the taxpayers from themselves.
As an aside, nothing shits me more than listening to JJJ pushing political viewpoints and social policy positions. The J is by far the most partisan, left wing branch of the ABC, yet flies under the radar of criticism, while ABC TV cops it with both barrels. Presumably that’s because conservatives don’t listen to Triple J, so they don’t know what’s going on.
Well, it’s a bit of a one-note samba mardi gras here at the Cat today. What can I do but add some lyrics based on that old Irish favourite:
How are things in Sod/Gomorrah?
Is that little group still “sleeping” there?
Do they still run down to Taylor Square?
Vote Green, thank God for Clover come tomorrow?
The answer is that in both cases we should let people make their own choices. It’s not the government’s job to spend taxpayers’ money saving the taxpayers from themselves.
That’s an argument for decriminalisation of all drugs, dd. Surely you wouldn’t go there.
That’s an argument for decriminalisation of all drugs, dd. Surely you wouldn’t go there.
Yes I would.
In fact I’m already there, unpacked the furniture, and made myself at home. The only drugs I’d see dispensed with a doctor’s approval are antibiotics (mainly because antibiotics is the example that prohibitionists and lovers of regulation fans whine about whenever this comes up).
Yes I would.
In fact I’m already there, unpacked the furniture, and made myself at home. The only drugs I’d see dispensed with a doctor’s approval are antibiotics (mainly because antibiotics is the example that prohibitionists and lovers of regulation fans whine about whenever this comes up).
Yeah well, you’re not going to get far with that one.
As opposed to smoking, which is guaranteed to end your life early unless something else does even quicker.
There is no evidence that smoking is “guaranteed to end your life early”. None. And no, sodomy is not “part of someone’s identity”. You can choose to engage in risky behaviour or not.
This discussion started because you grossly misrepresented a study into HIV.
No. I linked directly to the actual study – which found that homosexuals die 20 years earlier than heterosexuals. What Monty didn’t tell you is that the author came under pressure from the gay lobby when his study was cited by their opponents in the US – which is when he began qualifying his findings.
I have also cited irrefutable CDC and WHO statistics which show that sodomy is responsible for an epidemic of death, illness, STDs and misery throughout the world – and increasingly in Asia, thanks to homosexuals.
Now once again: given that homosexuality is so dangerous to its practitioners’ health, why is it celebrated by the state while smoking is condemned?
Remembering, now, that there is no such thing as safe sodomy, condoms or no.
“In the NSW local government elections held yesterday, we won positions on Ku-Ring-Gai and Campbelltown councils.”
Woo! The only way is up!
Just checking the Campbelltown ballot, some of the party names are amusing: Totally Locally Committed Party, and the Community Service Environment Save Campbelltown Koalas party.
Gab and Helen, sorry got called away.
Yeh, the old boy has lots of weird fruit growing, granadilla, jack fruit and some strange varieties of avocados and mangos.Don’t know bout Black Sapote, looks like a guava from the outside.
I’l try and find a seed or three to give him.
Hey, JC. My bff blogger (or so people think) Charles Johnson has a post up about the myth of Obama being a big spending socialist. It has lots of graphs and stuff to support the argument, including a link to this column from Cato Institute in 2009.
Johnson seems to make a decent case. Where is he wrong?
And I’ve explained the counter to this argument: homosexuality is a part of a person’s identity, whereas smoking is just a bad habit.
Sodomy is also a habit. It is not necessary for survival. Indeed, it’s almost guaranteed to kill.
Try again.
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Steve from Brisbane arrives:
CL… CL… CL… CL…
Readers will recall that Steve spent two weeks here essaying his fear of black sex machine, Herman Cain.
But I thought this topic was interesting because so far nobody has answered Jim Wallace. Monty, ‘libertarian’ Jarrah and SteveC seem to agree with the Greens that he should be jailed. Odd. Why don’t they just answer his question?
No. I linked directly to the actual study – which found that homosexuals die 20 years earlier than heterosexuals. What Monty didn’t tell you is that the author came under pressure from the gay lobby when his study was cited by their opponents in the US – which is when he began qualifying his findings.
Paranoid delusions on your part about “pressure” are irrelevant. Marshall lied and you lied, CL. Stop lying.
Here is the statement from the authors of the study:
Gay life expectancy revisited
Robert S Hogg, Steffanie A Strathdee, Kevin JP Craib, Michael V O’shaughnessy, Julio Montaner and Martin T Schechter
Over the past few months we have learnt of a number of reports regarding a paper we published in the International Journal of Epidemiology on the gay and bisexual life expectancy in Vancouver in the late 1980s and early 1990s. From these reports it appears that our research is being used by select groups in US and Finland to suggest that gay and bisexual men live an unhealthy lifestyle that is destructive to themselves and to others. These homophobic groups appear more interested in restricting the human rights of gay and bisexuals rather than promoting their health and well being.
The aim of our research was never to spread more homophobia, but to demonstrate to an international audience how the life expectancy of gay and bisexual men can be estimated from limited vital statistics data. In our paper, we demonstrated that in a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 21 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality continued, we estimated that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years would not reach their 65th birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre were experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by men in Canada in the year 1871. In contrast, if we were to repeat this analysis today the life expectancy of gay and bisexual men would be greatly improved. Deaths from HIV infection have declined dramatically in this population since 1996. As we have previously reported there has been a threefold decrease in mortality in Vancouver as well as in other parts of British Columbia.
It is essential to note that the life expectancy of any population is a descriptive and not a prescriptive mesaure. Death is a product of the way a person lives and what physical and environmental hazards he or she faces everyday. It cannot be attributed solely to their sexual orientation or any other ethnic or social factor. If estimates of an individual gay and bisexual man’s risk of death is truly needed for legal or other purposes, then people making these estimates should use the same actuarial tables that are used for all other males in that population. Gay and bisexual men are included in the construction of official population-based tables and therefore these tables for all males are the appropriate ones to be used.
In summary, the aim of our work was to assist health planners with the means of estimating the impact of HIV infection on groups, like gay and bisexual men, not necessarily captured by vital statistics data and not to hinder the rights of these groups worldwide. Overall, we do not condone the use of our research in a manner that restricts the political or human rights of gay and bisexual men or any other group.
Yet again, CL attacks individual rights by misrepresenting science on behalf of conservatism, and the libertarians on here cower in fear and say nothing.
And I’ve explained the counter to this argument: homosexuality is a part of a person’s identity, whereas smoking is just a bad habit.
What nonsense. This is a ridiculous distinction. Kant routinely went for an afternoon walk at the same time everyday. This was as much a part of his identify as his sexual orientation, in fact it was more so. Sorry, but you don’t get to decide what is or isn’t a part of a person’s identity. But the effect of this distinction is worthless; even if true, the fact that something is a habit does not grant us a right to curtail its exercise where this only harms the person exercising that habit.
The case against anal sex being a significant health risk is negligible anyway.
I hardly think a rate of 35/60 per 100,000 is negligible (and the incidence is rising) given its a quarter to a third of the rate of incidence of lung cancer among smokers.
As opposed to smoking, which is guaranteed to end your life early unless something else does even quicker.
Not true, since there are smokers and ex-smokers that live beyond the average rate of life expectancy.
“No. I linked directly to the actual study – which found that homosexuals die 20 years earlier than heterosexuals.”
No, it projected, depending on which assumptions they chose, that homosexuals would live 8 to 20 years less than heterosexuals, as long as there was no change in infection rates and treatment options.
Since their assumptions are no longer applicable, saying “gays live 20 years less” is gross misrepresentation. And it’s not me who came up with that wording, it was what one of the authors said when someone else made the same claim.
“why is it celebrated by the state”
It’s not celebrated. How do you think it’s celebrated?
“Yet again, CL attacks individual rights by misrepresenting science on behalf of conservatism, and the libertarians on here cower in fear and say nothing.”
homosexuality is a part of a person’s identity, whereas smoking is just a bad habit.
A person’s choice to indulge in unsavoury habits – which may also have unhealthy consequences – does not give you license to discriminate against them.
As for homosexuality having a genetic component, which gene please? I have a friend who is gay while his identical twin is not, so I’m a bit confused.
Liberal candidates for Sydney and Coogee, Adrian Bartels and Bruce Notley-Smith, today provided New Mardi Gras Co-Chairs, Steph Sands and Peter Urmson with a letter signed by Liberal Leader, Barry O’Farrell assuring NMG that a Liberal Government would continue to provide:
· access to performance-based funding as a major event;
· exemption from user pays charges;
· help from State Government agencies such as the police, RTA and ambulance service to work with Mardi Gras to develop new ideas and events around the parade; and
Liberal candidates for Sydney and Coogee, Adrian Bartels and Bruce Notley-Smith, today provided New Mardi Gras Co-Chairs, Steph Sands and Peter Urmson with a letter signed by Liberal Leader, Barry O’Farrell assuring NMG that a Liberal Government would continue to provide:
· access to performance-based funding as a major event;
· exemption from user pays charges;
· help from State Government agencies such as the police, RTA and ambulance service to work with Mardi Gras to develop new ideas and events around the parade; and
So, if I’ve followed correctly the statement above by the authors of that study, life expectancy for gay/bi-men in BC has improved from 8 -21 years less to 2.6-7 less than for all men. Just like smoking, by the looks.
Sydney Mardi Gras will receive extra funding to celebrate the 35th anniversary of the parade in 2013, with the City of Sydney announcing an increase in cash sponsorship for the annual festival celebrating the LGBTIQ community.
A person’s choice to indulge in unsavoury habits – which may also have unhealthy consequences – does not give you license to discriminate against them.
There is no discrimination here. There is regulation of a product which kills thousands of its users each year.
So, if I’ve followed correctly the statement above by the authors of that study, life expectancy for gay/bi-men in BC has improved from 8 -21 years less to 2.6-7 less than for all men. Just like smoking, by the looks.
I think you should apologize to CL, monty.
no, no I want to see him twirl his way out of that one.
So, if I’ve followed correctly the statement above by the authors of that study, life expectancy for gay/bi-men in BC has improved from 8 -21 years less to 2.6-7 less than for all men. Just like smoking, by the looks.
I think you should apologize to CL, monty.
This is not due to the health effect of sodomy itself, which is what CL has been claiming, but due to increased prevalence of HIV in the gay community. No apology necessary. The problem is unsafe sex, not the place they stick it in.
“Literally. At the Mardi Gras, with your tax dollars.”
Seriously? That’s all you’ve got?
Government shouldn’t fund/subsidise any major events. I think businesses who benefit from tourism should pay for them themselves. But to suggest subsidising gays celebrating themselves is the equivalent of the state celebrating homosexuality is ludicrous. Especially since the state government also subsidises things like World Youth Day.
Hey, JC. My bff blogger (or so people think) Charles Johnson has a post up about the myth of Obama being a big spending socialist. It has lots of graphs and stuff to support the argument, including a link to this column from Cato Institute in 2009.
Johnson seems to make a decent case. Where is he wrong?
Stepford:
I really don’t understand why lefties are debating this as it’s not complicated. The average deficit under the Kenyan has been 8% of GDP.
But to suggest subsidising gays celebrating themselves is the equivalent of the state celebrating homosexuality is ludicrous.
When you think about it, it’s exactly what is being subsidized.
Our general objective is to raise the visibility of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer and intersex communities. We do that in many ways but the most notable of these is the Sydney Mardi Gras Parade. Sydney Mardi Gras hopes to inspire the world to love each other by celebrating the power and beauty of diversity.
Diversity of what? Sexual orientation. Where the Mardi Gras celebrating heterosexuality?
True, but how much has he donated for the supply DDT as opposed to inefficient mozzie nets?
Gates wants to eradicate malaria. His foundation is working on a vaccine amongst other things. He is of course an incredibly smart and determined guy. I reckon he must be doing more good in the world than countless government agencies.
The lefties seem to like him now, but let’s not forget that at the time they tried their hardest to tear him down.
This is not due to the health effect of sodomy itself, which is what CL has been claiming, but due to increased prevalence of HIV in the gay community. No apology necessary. The problem is unsafe sex, not the place they stick it in.
This is a truly bizarre response. Of course, it’s a problem relating to sodomy and unsafe sex among bi/ gay men, otherwise there would be no difference in infection rates between straight and gay/bi-men, as even though the later is likely more promiscuous and to engage more in unsafe sex the difference is unlikely to account substantially for the difference.
Gates work, like all entrepreneurial philanthropy is tax deductible.
They know the governments can’t get efficient results, with their tax dollars, so the do it themselves.
Businessfolk don’t trust government.
The lefties seem to like him now, but let’s not forget that at the time they tried their hardest to tear him down.
The only thing that stopped the relentless pursuit of Microsoft was a change to the Bush administration.
As usual, the lefties were on the wrong side of things. Just as they were trying to penalise Microsoft for bundling Internet Explorer, market forces had driven the re-energisation of the Mozilla project and the emergence of Firefox.
As Bill Gates said ‘we did everything that they asked’.
But they still wouldn’t stop dragging them through the courts until they found something, anything.
But now that he has paid lip service to the gaia religion and spends his time working for charities, his past has been cleansed by the left. No longer was he a hard-nosed businessman determined to crush his competition. No, all of a sudden he’s a lovable geek done well, a friendly guy with a nice story.
exactly. The idiots running Canberra have priced us out of the market with the carbon tax, the mining tax, and so on. Less mining is the intended outcome of these policies.
Let’s call a spade a spade.
Yes, there are health risks with promiscuity – and pertinently to this conversation, with gay sex.
There are also health risks with puffing on a cigarette or a joint. Going to the beach and getting a sun-tan puts you at risk of cancer. Going surfing when there are sharks in the water is a risk; going out in the city late on Saturday night is a risk given city violence. Travelling to interesting faraway countries; quite risky. Drinking alcohol: increased risk of cancer and heart disease. Loving someone: risk of heartbreak.
And so on and so on.
The point is, there are risks in life and it’s not some bureaucrat’s job to tell me what risks I am allowed to take.
The problem is, even though these revolutionary dreamers are detached from reality, they are nevertheless a big part of our reality. We can’t just choose to have Obama leave us alone, or tell him to go and inhabit his own private fantasy world if that is how he wishes to live his life. No, we are all stuck in his fantasy. We are all affected by people who refuse “to distinguish between dream and reality” — to see that the chair is empty.
Some of you may have detected something similar vis-a-vis family life. You will have noticed that it is always the burden of the sane one to adapt to the less-than-sane, because the latter cannot adapt to the former. Or, at least one must do this if one wishes to maintain harmony and avoid conflict.
market forces had driven the re-energisation of the Mozilla project and the emergence of Firefox.
Also with operating systems, Gates made the point that a competitor could emerge and challenge Microsoft’s dominance at any time. People laughed at that idea. It’s part of the leftist belief system after all that the free market causes monopolies.
But look at the situation now. In the case of smart phones and tablets, MS doesn’t have much traction. Apple and Google are the big guys now. If I remember correctly, they were pretty inconsequential at the time. Apple in particular was a basket case that had come really close to going under.
What’s your solution to controlling world commodity prices? Stamp our foot and insist that they pay a fixed price?
We can only sell our wares for whatever people are willing to pay. yes, that’s the market, and it’s the only way to establish the monetary worth of things. Or make money and become a wealthy nation.
I think it should be pointed out that heterosexual intercourse raises the chances of cervical cancer for women – if you want to argue over the risks of sexual activity, the only truly safe sex is masturbation.
(Unless you’re doing it wrong. Really wrong. Or you’re Michael Hutchence)
If they explained to say a class of 12 year olds that homosexual sex can include but not restricted to: anal penetration with the partner’s penis or penile shaped object, oral sex, and felching
Splatacrobat, are those activities restricted to homosexual sex?
Local government in NSW is heading for the knackery.
LDP too late for the upwardly mobile spiv party.
A quick review of Anthony Green’s site reveals that many of the councils where Asian Australians live have jumped at the chance at voting for candidates labelled Liberal.
If I was a lefty troll I’d be angry as the politics of patronage kept together by envy and stoking racial animosity is coming unwound in NSW.
It’s the market speaking, dictating, ruling, just like it should, right?
We have nothing to complain about much as our terms of trade went to a 150 record, our dollar rose which meant we could buy lots of cheap imports and our relative living standard rose to one of the highest in the world.
There was a sudden huge increase in demand for commodities brought on the 100′s of million of people joining the middle class around the world. The spike in commodity prices was as a result of that. And yes prices did exactly what they were supposed to do, provide the signal to raise output to meet increasing demand.
Since WW2 the only real players in the world economy has been the West plus Japan, now thankfully that has changed.
Tal, it was good. Did some pleasant stuff on Saturday.. i actually joined wifey buy some food at the Prahan market. Newish experience for me.
Watched a good couple of chapters in a Danish series last night called The Bridge.
Today went for a 2 hour walk and then had lunch on the way home at the Botanical overlooking the gardens.
Had dinner at home with the in-laws and earlier went to see parents which is always tension filled. My mother has forgotten where she hid her jewelry and now can’t find it.
Of course, while arguing for higher taxes, Warren Buffet is suing the IRS to reduce his taxes, and could easily reorganize his finances so he was paid a salary instead of capital gains and dividends, which would mean paying the highest tax rate instead of the current 15 percent,..
No. The study showed conclusively that homosexuals died up to 20 years earlier than heterosexuals.
So that’s a fact. But it’s not a lynchpin study.
The CDC and the WHO have concluded (unsurprisingly) that sodomy is driving an epidemic of AIDS, syphilis and anal cancer. Homosexuality kills.
These are the facts.
So again we return to Jim Wallace.
Why does the governement condemn smoking but celebrate the massively dangerous habit of sodomy?
Why, for that matter, does a retired SAS commando have to put up with being legally threated by the Greens – a party that subscribes, inter alia, to communism (history’s most murderous ideology) and anti-Jewish exterminationism?
Just a reminder: Monty the ostentatious spokesman for tolerance and modernity has called for all public servants living with depressive illness to be sacked.
He also refuses to deny backing Green calls for Wallace to be prosecuted – up to and including a jail term.
‘Libertarian’ Jarrah – a retired Bushitler critic who nowadays runs silent on Gitmo and illegal wars for oil – has also stood silent on the Greens’ threats.
remind me about the economic vandalism of this (and every ALP government)
“Gillard, Swan and a highly paid army of government consultants and spin doctors are spending hundreds of millions in a desperate attempt to make the public believe they have run a good government.
If the story of financial vandalism is not sufficient evidence to the contrary, there is also the global competitiveness index score card released this week by the World Economic Forum.
This group, which ranks 144 nations, found Australia slipped down the ladder in a number of crucial areas in the four years from 2007-08 to 2012-2013.
In terms of wastefulness of government spending, we went from 10th place to 48, in terms of the burden of government regulation, we dropped from 68 to 96. Transparency – from 12 to 29, government effectiveness – 5 to 18, government debt – 16 to 30, flexibility of wage determination – 87 to 125, labour market efficiency – 13 to 42, hiring and firing practices – 63 to 120, pay and productivity – 40 to 80.
This is the scorecard of a nation that is going backward”
What’s this? Grigory congratulating the party that has support for assisted suicide and gay adoption on its website? And wants government out of marriage, so that gay marriage will be quite on the cards.
CL, hopefully you saw the interview with Nigella on Ch. 7′s Sunday Night? Confirmed for me why, next to Mrs TBH, she is the greatest woman living today. She’s completely unrepentant about living a life full of good things and pleasure. Bravo.
In her first in-depth interview since her landslide defeat in March, Ms Bligh said cuts to the largest employer in the state were already taking a toll on people’s lives, with many of her friends personally affected.
Good.
RTWT and note that Bligh doesn’t once apologise for wrecking the state.
One important moment in the negotiations came when the president scheduled a major address on the nation’s long-term debt crisis. A White House staffer thought to invite House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., along with the other two House Republicans who had served on the Simpson-Bowles debt commission.
The president delivered a blistering address, taking apart the Ryan budget plan as “changing the basic social compact in America.” Ryan left the speech “genuinely ripped,” Woodward writes, feeling that Obama was engaged in “game-on demagoguery” rather than trying to work with the new Republican majority.
“I can’t believe you poisoned the well like that,” Ryan told Obama economic adviser Gene Sperling on his way out of the speech.
The president told Woodward that he wasn’t aware that Ryan was in the audience, and he called inviting him there “a mistake.”
If he had known, Obama told Woodard, “I might have modified some of it so that we would leave more negotiations open, because I do think that they felt like we were trying to embarrass him… We made a mistake.”
sodomy is driving an epidemic of AIDS, syphilis and anal cancer. Homosexuality kills.
These are the facts.
No CL, those are not the facts, and you repeating it over and over does not make it a fact. And anyone who bothers to check will know how wrong you are. Promiscuity and unprotected sex are high risk factors for HIV/AIDS. In fact if you are so concerned, you should support gay marriage. A monogamous homosexual realtionship is very unlikely to result in AIDS, syphilis and anal cancer. About as unlikely as a monogamous heterosexual realtionship. But I don’t expect your prejudice will ever let you see that.
if they explained to say a class of 12 year olds that homosexual sex can include but not restricted to
Yes, so if those activities are not restricted to homosexual sex than they may also be a part of heterosexual sex. It’s quite straightforward.
In fact if you are so concerned, you should support gay marriage.
Except, they are not looking for monogamous marriage, SteveC. Monogomish, at best, still promiscuous at worst. This is actually-existing homosexuality, and yet you, for instance, continue to speak about homosexuality per se.
San Francisco University, reported by the New York Times, studied monogamy in homosexual ‘marriages.’
“With straight people, it’s called affairs or cheating,” said Colleen Hoff, the study’s principal investigator, “but with gay people it does not have such negative connotations.”
How awfully convenient.
Any other distractions?
Monty said heterosexual sex was no longer necessary and SteveC claimed that homosexual ‘monogamy’ – and hence homosexual health – will be safeguarded by gay ‘marriage.’
Actually, this argument started because of a public campaign against Wallace and the ACL launched by the gay lobby and prosecuted in part by the MSM arising from his response to a question at a debate.
d-b you are being silly. homosexual sex can include but [is] not restricted to. Splat left out the “is”.
In that sentence homosexual sex is the subject, and the activities are the object. You can’t simply swap them aroud and say it meant the activities are not restricted to homosexual sex.
And if you did the sentence would become If they explained to say a class of 12 year olds that sex acts can include but not restricted to: anal penetration with the partner’s penis or penile shaped object, oral sex, and felching I’m sure they will think very carefully about which orifice they intend to play with in their future years.
I wouldn’t have raised it but for the fact that a former SAS commando and Christian is being denounced on moral grounds by slush fund maestro Julia Gillard and threatened with prosecution – and conceivably imprisonment – by a political party that supports the extermination of Israel.
All libertarians must defend to the death Wallace’s right to say what he said.
It so happens that he has a very solid argument.
If you won’t defend him, you’re totalitarian scum – or a collaborater with same.
It’s not easy to listen to Terry talk about the time he had sex with a seven-year-old girl. But after his psychotherapist put us in touch, he agreed to lay it all out for me during a phone call and email, and I was enthralled the way one might stare at a man falling from a bridge………
It started with him walking around the house naked with an erection, making sure to amble past the little girl and inspire her curiosity. After doing that a couple times, Terry began to masturbate with the door open. When his niece would come to watch, Terry would tell her that what they were doing was a secret that she couldn’t tell anyone
All libertarians must defend to the death Wallace’s right to say what he said.
Sure. No argument there.
However, in combatting the nanny state, this tactic of rhetorically calling for equivalent campaigns against homosexuality is counterproductive and confusing. It doesn’t clarify the issues, it muddies them and introduces a new, highly emotive and frankly tangential angle.
It will be a struggle between Bligh and Gillard as to who will assume the Emilys List mantle as the new Joan Kirner. Naturally complete failure in office is a pre-requisite, coupled with no realistic employment prospects and a desire to help women into politics where your failure has made this more difficult. They both have a strong claim.
Gillard’s desperation to out-Gough Gough will probably get her home.
No. The presence or absence of “is” doesn’t change the subject. We can readily see it was a mistake in expression. The subject is homosexual sex, which he says “includes but [is] not restricted to” x, y, z. You’re simply looking for an excuse to not say: Hmmm, yes, you’re right; sorry.
The old adage is that the true mark of a society is how it treats the weakest in its ranks. Blacks, women, Latinos, gays and lesbians, and others are still in no way on wholly equal footing in America. But they’re also not nearly as lowly and cursed as men attracted to children. One imagines that if Jesus ever came to Earth, he’d embrace the poor, the blind, the lepers, and, yes, the pedophiles. As a self-professed “progressive,” when I think of the world I’d like to live in, I like to imagine that one day I’d be OK with a man like Terry moving next door to me and my children. I like to think that I could welcome him in for dinner, break bread with him, and offer him the same blessings he’s offered me time and again. And what hurts to admit, even knowing all I know now, is that I’m not positive I could do that.
Serial story teller and Labor luvvie doubles down on her “abbott punched a wall near me – but despite me telling this story many times to various interviewers and never mentioning” story.
Abbott and accuser revive old university stoush
“Ms Ramjan said she had told friends the story for 35 years. “When people ask me what he was like it is the one thing I always remember.”
Erm except in the 2004 Sun Herald article where she made no mention of it at all.
Ms Ramjan, who now sits on the Legal Aid board of NSW [NSW Labor appointee] and is a former member of the Immigration Review Tribunal, maintains she was menaced by Mr Abbott in 1977.
Hey the unions or whoever have been running an ad against Can Do on Brisbane radio saying that he lied because he said there would be no forced redundancies and now they are cutting 20 000 jobs. Is anyone aware of any forced redundancies? Also I am guessing this is a lead up to the federal election as a state election is a long way off he only just got there. I predict there will be a scare campaign in QLD saying that Abbott will be the same as Newman. If this does happen I hope most people will react like me and say hey thats great.
Fat slob, Lenore Taylor on Insiders this morning was suggesting that it’s hypocritical of people who think the story about the Lying Slapper’s misdeeds helping to embezzle money is important while the story about Abbott isn’t.
Le Snore left out the bit that even if it was true what Abbott did it wasn’t illegal and he didn’t help a crook embezzle funds.
The coalition have already they are going to fire around 12,000 ALP servants. It’s already baked in. You can now stop worrying and get back to driving the cab safely.
We can readily see it was a mistake in expression.
d-b , you may see that. I note splat at no point attempted to clarify. You think you know what he meant, and you may be right, but it’s not what he said, which is why I asked the question.
PAUL Kelly: This was an illegal blockade. It was against the law. So I ask you again, are you prepared to criticise what happened?
Paul Howes: No Paul because . . .
Kelly: Why?
Howes: Because . . .
Kelly: Why?
Howes: Because Paul, I am accountable to the members of my union and . . .
Kelly: But you’re a national union leader.
Howes: And . . .
Kelly: You can’t just duck the question by saying that.
Howes: And what we have had here . . . is a situation where my understanding is agreements were made and then the employer went back on those agreements. Now, I have a policy in our union, if we have court orders against us, if we have injunctions put against us, we’ll comply with that. Ultimately . . .
Kelly: But did that justify the union activity?
Howes: Ultimately . . .
Kelly: I mean, did that justify what the unions did?
Howes: Ultimately, unions are accountable to their members and I am accountable to the members of the AWU. The leadership of the CFMEU are accountable to the membership of the CFMEU. And it’s very easy to sit on the sidelines during an industrial dispute and pretend to know that you have all the knowledge of what’s occurred there. I don’t know what happened during that dispute . . .
Kelly: So you think this illegal blockade might have been justified?
Howes: No, what I’m saying Paul is that it’s not my role as the head of one particular union to lecture the actions of other particular unions . . . I’m not going to get into the business of lecturing them . . .
Ben Butler and Ben Schneiders, The Saturday Age, August 4:
MR Howes last week filed a defamation lawsuit against Mr Purvinas, the federal secretary of the 3200-member Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association, over an angry email sent to union leaders.
JamesK, what is your actual objection to that article?
The theme to me seemed to be this: In other words, if you can’t beat pedophiles, it’s best to try and help them help themselves.
Sure we could execute all convicted pedophiles, but that won’t stop future pedophiles or do anything about unconvicted pedophiles. The article was discussing ways that are being investigated to actually prevent the problem.
Kimberly and I agree, SteveC and conclude Punching a wall is in fact worse.
He never punched a wall, she’s lying and this is yet another ratcheting up of the disturbing Labor-Media “get abbott” complex that has evolved since 2010.
Where because Gillard finally, despite the entire media refusing for years to touch it, had to answer some soft questions about her criminal associating and enabling past, parts of the media feel they must now, at any cost, find or fabricate an “equivalent” story for Tony Abbott.
Note that it’s widely known that the story was covered word for word before in the first of many “serious” looks at Abbott’s student politics by the SMH back in 2004. Yet the woman never mentioned this most serious accusation in any of her interview then or since, ever.
It is of course a self defeating behaviour for the media and the PMO’s office to fluff these sorts of stories. Because now that Abbott’s student political days – and what his political enemeies say about them are “relevant”, so are Gillards.
Let’s start with the AUS and under gillards leadership it coming out and calling married women “prostitutes”.
What Howes was trying to say was that union leaders are not bound by the law if the membership disagrees with the courts. The behavior of the Unions is abhorrent and criminal. They think they are above the law because the police allow them to ignore the courts.
JC
I am informed the ranks like Heritage or Waterfront are quieter than before because the State servants mustn’t be working overtime and catching cabs on the gov tab I guess. Aren’t you saddened by the Austerity hitting the cab drivers?
They think they are above the law because the police allow them to ignore the courts.
They are above the law if the police allow them to ignore the courts.
As I’ve said before, the Victorian Police Commissioner should be sacked and his replacement ordered to uphold the law. A law should also be passed that carries criminal prosecution for any commissioner who refuses to uphold a court’s industrial orders on work sites.
Look, JC’s call on Victoria was probably his best. It was a disaster that Ballieu won. Victorians needed more pain and disaster under Labor to prep them for a transformation led by a no bullshit Liberal leader.
Who was the President of the Australian Union of Students when it collapsed in 1984? Julia, that’s who. She has a great track record and is a rooly, rooly good negoshiator.
Really? Gillard believed married women were prostitutes?
Julia Gillard’s first foray into politics was in the early 1980s, when, as a university law student, she became active in the now-defunct Australian Union of Students (AUS).
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It also adopted a policy on prostitution which said, in part: “Prostitution takes many forms and is not only the exchange of money for sex. … Prostitution in marriage is the transaction of sex in return for love, security and house-keeping.” (Quoted by Helen Trinca, The Australian, April 6, 1984, p.7).
This bizarre statement made headlines across Australia. Anti-AUS student activists produced posters with the slogan: “AUS says your mother is a prostitute!”housekeeping”.
At the time the AUS’s official position was also that:
• All men exercise the threat of rape, ranging from subtle appeals to a woman’s mistaken sense of obligation, to direct threats, blackmail and even physical force.
Gillard was president of an organization that thought all men are rapists.
I love the smell of a rotting carcass in the morning.
VOTERS from hippie bastion Byron Bay may have elected a pro-business council for the first time in eight years, with a swing of 11 per cent against its Greens mayor.
If the slime is on the nose in Byron it could even start to stink in places like Fitzroy, although I could be optimistic here.
So Mad Dog Bob jumped as this ship was about to sink leaving another woman in charge. What is it with the leftwing leaving their women to pick up all the turds on the lawn?
Preferences will determine whether the first council area in Australia to elect a Greens mayor will keep the party in the top job, after two pro-business alliances challenged its dominance.
“We feel we have done much, much better than we expected,” Ms Woods said. “I think it will make a huge difference to the area. Whatever the result is we really need to concentrate on becoming a functional council again.”
The council has sparked controversy with plans that attempted to cut the number of outdoor events in the tourist town and its “planned retreat” policy on coastal development that stopped residents building seawalls to protect their property from storm surges.
Until this weekend the council comprised four Greens, two independents, who often voted with the Greens, and three others, including Ms Woods. “It was just frustrating and you just couldn’t achieve anything,” she said.
“It took away incentive, really. They’re a destructive force, in my opinion. They’ve destroyed opportunities.”
Mr Richardson said the party had retained the same number of councillors, but conceded the mayoral vote had declined.
O’Farrell is being an idiot here. This is a portent for federal Labor, not NSW Labor…
NED MANNOUN is living proof that the Liberals are running hot in western Sydney.
The 30-year-old Lebanon-born Muslim who was once an ALP member is poised to become mayor of Liverpool, the Labor fiefdom where Gough Whitlam ruled supreme and the council that gave Mark Latham to the world.
His win was the most striking but not the only boon for the Liberals in Saturday’s elections in western Sydney councils, which were once a cakewalk for Labor.
By yesterday afternoon, the Liberals had picked up swings of more than 20 per cent in Liverpool and about 10 per cent in Auburn, Bankstown and Blacktown. Counting was continuing.
There were also swings in local government areas such as Campbelltown and Parramatta, mirroring success by Liberal candidates in last year’s state election.
The Premier, Barry O’Farrell, who swore he would ”never take western Sydney for granted” after his historic election win last year, was chuffed with the ”massive swing” yesterday.
JC
China primarily supplies goods to the world not the OECD and the world economy is going along at a nice clip with the OECD being the smaller share of the world economy. If you insist on investing in the US (one year is only a play) invest in US companies that are supplying to the same markets as China. That is to people moving out of poverty. China can supply goods like toothbrushes and basic cosmetics. The US supplies relatively cheap food goods and things like soap and toothpaste that are not affordable to the people in absolute poverty, think Heinz, Coca Cola, Colgate Palmolive if they are at the right PE. I still like my Thailand as it is easier and more open than China. The issue with both Thailand and China is that their wages are now much higher than countries like Bangladesh, Cambodia and India so labour intensive products like clothing they are now high cost producers so there is a need for them to move slightly up the value chain.
Until the trend turns up in China I’m not changing my mind. I’ve caught far too many falling knives in my life to start doing that again. Unless the trend changes I’m going with a hard landing.
JamesK, what is your actual objection to that article?
LOL
It’s the ‘experts’ SteveC, you utter moron:
Imagine a world in which admitting your attraction to busty women or tall men led to alienation, jail time, or your murder. Older gay men can probably remember such an era, but nowadays most sexual appetites have been mainstreamed to the point of banality. Pedophiles, for obvious reasons, don’t enjoy the same kind of tolerance, and thus it seems as if they may be locked forever in a sexual prison from the moment they’re born.
To a leftist expert paedohilia is no different to blokes who like women with big norks
Dr. James Cantor is the Head of Research in the Sexual Behaviours Clinic at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, Canada’s largest mental health and teaching hospital. He’s also an associate professor of psychiatry at the University of Toronto’s school of medicine. He’s been working on better understanding pedophiles for about 12 years now using a variety of methods. In the Kurt Freund Phallometric Lab, Cantor and his colleagues can attach an instrument to sex offenders’ penises in order to gauge their responses to a variety of sexually charged images. The Freund lab, Cantor tells me during a phone call last week, is one of the few in the world that can measure increases in penis volume rather than just increases in circumference.
steveC, the ‘expert’ can measure volume ans not just circumference of the penis and as a result the ‘expewrt’ thinks paedophiles are born that way (translation: it’s not their responsibility)
Imagine that SteveC not just the circumference during tumescence and de-tumescence but the volume on the way up and on the way down as well.
Wow eh? Eh? Real science!
Here’s a thought SteveC:
The only way to stop paedophilia is to stop paedopliles abusing children as all paedophile offenders were themselves victims of childhood abuse.
And paedophile abuse is generally post natal, SteveC.
I fucking loathe leftist ‘experts’ who write long dissertations on why black is white and up is down.
Lefists have destroyed academia, pedagogy, the arts, rational debate and much more besides.
I will counter you with the S+P 500 is predicting better times ahead with the pe ratio rising and much above that of China. Remembering that the S+P 500 makes the majority of their earnings outside the US. So one market must be wrong or else the US market is only predicting a collapse in the USD. Whichever market if you are not investing in companies that make most of their earnings overseas I suspect you will not do well in AUD terms. Also taking into account the higher wages in China coupled with improved stability in other lower wage countries.
Ahmadinejad to address UN on Yom Kippur
Western leaders’ speeches at General Assembly this year expected to focus on Iranian, Syrian issues. PM Netanyahu to speak day after Iranian president
Public service redundancies can be wonderful things.
For starters, you’ll probably get 3 weeks pay per year of service.
Then they might add 1-3 months of “hush money” to make you go quietly.
All of that is taxed at a very low rate (5% if I remember correctly?)
So someone who has stuck around for 10 years will get up to 42 weeks pay, taxed at almost nothing.
On top of that, you’ll then get all your accumulated leave and long service leave paid out. This is taxed at normal rates, but it could take your total payout up to 60 weeks pay.
I know a bloke who was paid out less than a year before retirement. He had been there 40 years. He laughed all the way to the bank.
Newman might have learned something by making them forced – when you make redundancy voluntary, all the good, hard working pubes that can make it on the outside take the money and run. Forced redundancies at least allow you to throw out the trash.
two weeks pay for every year of service, plus a 12 week bonus if you agree to leave now. if you elect to not leave, and go in the pool for any jobs that come up, you lose the 12 week bonus. You are in the pool for four months, after which you might be redundant anyway.
Of the payout, the first $8,909 is tax free, plus an additional $4400 or so for every year of service.
The remainder is taxed at 15% if you are under 55.
finally, you get your entitlements (rec leave and LSL) taxed at the normal rate, and there is some sort of super arrangements i am not too clear on.
Not many private sector jobs offer that. I know some people regarded as key staff who are leaving because they are close to retirement and the payments let them leave earlier. In fact it was in their interest to do so. Others leaving because they want to do something different. People that put their hand up are always preferable.
I am also aware of people that get the tap on the shoulder, not for any performance reason, but just because the numbers require it. The Newman government hasn’t looked at it holistically, every department has pretty much the same cut (the clear exception is the Office of Climate Change). This means that areas that had no love under the ALP, and in fact were worn down during their reign, are undergoing even more pain.
Some of these people have put in decades of dedicated service. It is not good. If you are in your late fifties and have a swarm of kids, a mortgage and have become rather specialised in your career, it would be very worrying. The redundancy gives these people a very good chance, but all the same it is an outcome very different to what they had planned for their career.
it is also true that some people are tapped on the shoulder because they are lesser performers. Better them that someone who pulls their weight. But the numbers are such that even good workers get tapped, and how do prospective employers know the difference?
CL, that image is very disturbing. Expressions on the biker dudes faces don’t look too friendly. Look like they want to take the old perv out the back for some cultural awareness sessions.
Kimberly and I agree, SteveC and conclude Punching a wall is in fact worse.
He never punched a wall, she’s lying and this is yet another ratcheting up of the disturbing Labor-Media “get abbott” complex that has evolved since 2010.
Why are we surprised the Stenographers, many who will be pensioned off after the next election, are campaigning on this for Labor?
M0nty made it clear a couple of weeks ago that for the Labor Left that wild accusations about Abbott which have no documentary backing will be thrown out in response to the bucket loads of documentary evidence that as a “young & naive” lawyer Gillard helped her boyfriend set up a “SLUSH FUND” in contravention of WA state law, then was silent about it once fraud was detected.
After leaving FauxFacts with a fat payout, Labor troll Misha Schubert has come out of the cold and is lobbying for the left:
FairfaxFauxFacts refugee Misha Schubert has wasted no time in arranging her next gig after departing the Canberra Press Gallery with a big eligible termination payment burning a hole in her pocket. Some say folk of her standing were paid as much as 18 months pay, which is better than a kick up the bum or having to work in close proximity to Crikey’s Bernard Keane.
The well-regarded group chaired by the snarky Melbourne lawyer Mark Leibler is generously supported by taxpayers and currently employs as its boss cocky the former ALP national secretary Tim Gartrell
The Premier, Barry O’Farrell, who swore he would ”never take western Sydney for granted” after his historic election win last year, was chuffed with the ”massive swing” yesterday.
This was the takeout from the council elections. Labor’s patronage system is breaking down in Sydney’s immigrant communities.
Though Baz is failing on a lot of reform, he is doing a good job in enticing the entrepreneurs in those communities to join the conservatives.
Regarding the local council elections in NSW, this is the first time in my adult life I’ve never had to vote in them.
Be thankful for small mercies – although it would have been nice to be able to vote against those laybore/greenslime BDS dirtbags in Albansleazeyville.
The well-regarded group chaired by the snarky Melbourne lawyer mark leibler is generously supported by taxpayers and currently employs as its boss cocky the former OLP national secretary dim gartrell
Get these loathsome, parasitic scumbags “off the public’s tits”, thanks, Yabbott!
The Luv Meeja continues to rush to support David Marr’s fabrications. Bruce Guthrie on ABC 774 (holiday cover for Labor shill Jon Faine) is speaking to Marr this morning.
The point of the Abbott story is not to damage Abbott, but to force him and others to defend the story by
a) claiming it happened a long time ago
b) pointing out that these are unsubstantiated allegations
c) explaining that these and similar allegations have all been dealt with before.
Then, the love media can say, “Look, see? It goes both ways. Unsubstantiated allegations have been made against both our leaders”
Tubbsy Milne has a few problems this morning. It turns out people don’t actually like a ratbag collection of tree huggers, communists, ex teacher union reps and fruit loops.
“Some of these people have put in decades of dedicated service. … late fifties and have a swarm of kids, a mortgage and have become rather specialised in your career, it would be very worrying. … but all the same it is an outcome very different to what they had planned for their career”
entropy – the QLD public service sloths grew in number by 3.4% pa cumulatively over the 10 years to 2011. Population grew 2.1% pa. Where is the justification, the good sense in that?
There is just one year in which otherwise unemployable trough feeder numbers did not exceed population growth.
They ought to fall to their knees and give thanks that they got away with shuffling about doing nothing worthwhile, unnoticed, for a whole decade. Are they that moronic that they thought it would never end?
“it would be very worrying”??? Turn it up! – now they join the real world in which most other people must demonstrably contribute to a profit in order to keep their jobs.
According to the ABS, excluding the tertiary education sector, there were over one million state government employees in NSW, Victoria and Queensland as at June 2011.
In effect the job reductions already announced or implemented by coalition governments in the three big states roughly amount to less than two per cent of total state government employment.
Novak’s lumping the three states in together is a bit misleading. Newman is making substantial cuts in Queensland, while NSW and Victoria are dithering and tinkering at the edges.
REGIONAL leaders have agreed to cut tariffs on solar panels, wind turbine blades, solar hot water systems and other ”environmental goods” in what has been hailed as a shift against protectionist sentiment after global financial turmoil.
Some of these people have put in decades of dedicated service. It is not good. If you are in your late fifties and have a swarm of kids, a mortgage and have become rather specialised in your career, it would be very worrying. The redundancy gives these people a very good chance, but all the same it is an outcome very different to what they had planned for their career.
Of course we all care about families that lose their income. When families lose income, they lose certainty, and all sorts of other problems arise.
But the problem with your words is that it assumes that public servants are the only ones getting sacked. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. Public sector job losses are a tiny fraction of the private sector job losses and business closures – and the private sector people don’t get fat payouts.
I personally know someone in the building industry who had their business collapse in the last couple of years. He then took up a job in the mining industry – fair enough – but just as soon as he was established there, along comes idiotic government regulations + taxes, combined with militant union activity, and the mining company decides to close the mine.
No 12 week payouts, no other service – not even a refund on the 12 weeks of forward airline bookings made.
So by all means, shed a tear for the public servants who are out on their rears. But only if a flood of tears is also shed for those people who have had their livelihoods destroyed by bad government policies.
The faked rationale is never ending Gab – in your link some dill analyst/social worker / hand wringer comes up with a reason why it’s just sooooo unfair to Ozero. They invent a pseudo scientific name for everything they make up:
“Her conclusion is based on something called “implicit bias” – prejudices that people don’t realise they have”
We don’t even know that we instinctively recognise a monkey in silk is a monkey no less!!!
That’s why I’m contrasting the vote to the House & Senate results.
For the Republicans to win the Senate there need to be a strong swing (as many of the seats are in purple or nominally blue states) so they can pick up 5 or so seats while keeping all those previously head, how could that happen if swing voters will back Obama?
I notice the language in the trashy rags such as the SMH and the Aged blatantly accuse Abbott of the incident. Like it’s a foregone conclusion despite any evidence.
I notice the language in the trashy rags such as the SMH and the Aged blatantly accuse Abbott of the incident. Like it’s a foregone conclusion despite any evidence.
Seems like the Stenographers are leaving litigation landmines behind as they take their whopping payouts.
They know that if Abbott does sue, FauxFacts will be up for millions in compensation.
Like Schubert they’ll leave the problem behind as they jet off to an unsustainably high pay as they lobby for Labor in a gov funded QANGO.
It must be nice to be part of the luvvie 1%. They never lose.
“I notice the language in the trashy rags such as the SMH and the Aged blatantly accuse Abbott of the incident. Like it’s a foregone conclusion despite any evidence.”
Tony Abbott should just sue David Marr, the Aged, whatever, for defamation. I wondering if he’s thinking about it, his family must be getting so sick of this stuff.
I notice the language in the trashy rags such as the SMH and the Aged blatantly accuse Abbott of the incident. Like it’s a foregone conclusion despite any evidence.
Yeah, they all say things like “he had no recollection of the incident”. They don’t say “alleged incident” or even “such an incident”. No journalistic standards.
I see more and more people being led around by dogs on leashes. These people have absolutely no hope of restraining the dog if the dog decides to chew a kiddie.
I instinctively pick up my littlies whenever we walk past some wimp with a large dog on a leash.
It turns out Chris Murphy is the same one who “defended” Matthew Newton.
I think this is potentially big. Why did a criminal celebrity lawyer “release” this news three weeks ago after he claimed to have “interviewed” Ramdaj twice? Is the story being shopped around? Was Ramdaj lawyering up or was she approached by him?
Somebody needs to ask him some serious questions of her and him.
Why did Vexnews not run with the story? They haven’t said a word about it since.
Tim Blair also noted that on the 20th of August an alternate version of the story was posted in the Crikey comments:
“Now all we need to complete the bookends is for Abbott to be asked about his sexual assault where, to intimidate a witness, he punched a wall“
Labor bumboy Phil Coorey confirms that ‘wallgate’ is a strategy designed to deflect allegations of professional misconduct and involvement in fraud against Gillard:
It is legitimate to question whether Abbott’s behaviour at university is relevant to his suitability today, just as it was legitimate to ask the same about what Gillard was up to in the early 1990s.
Equally, both are figures of public importance and details about their conduct in past lives are always interesting, even if they are not hanging offences. They help the voter form a more complete picture of the person.
It is legitimate to question whether Abbott’s behaviour at university is relevant to his suitability today, just as it was legitimate to ask the same about what Gillard was up to in the early 1990s.
Yet not a single Fairfax journalist has asked that of Gillard!!!!
(okay, one did, but he lost his job)
Incredible.
i wonder if j. Gillard’s person McTiernan or anthony albanese are behind the lies about Tony Abbott or facilitating it somehow, it seems like their modus operandi.
i wonder if j. Gillard’s person McTiernan or anthony albanese are behind the lies about Tony Abbott or facilitating it somehow, it seems like their modus operandi.
I’d say it’s a foregone conclusion – it’s stinks like the PM’s office.
Michael Smith is using the free time Gillard arranged for him to have a wee look at one of Conroy’s dirty little secrets:
It’s disgusting to know that the managers of a large company like Alcatel can make it all go away by taking $137,000,000.00 from shareholders and paying it over in “fines”. Part of Alcatel’s conditions in settling the matter was that no individual executive be held accountable for the systemic corruption (beyond those juniors already named in South America). Does that sound like justice to you?
The betting markets used to a be a side-story, something to fill column inches. Then people started taking them as seriously as they do polling organisations.
The thing is:
1. Betting markets aren’t nearly as predictive as their urban legend makes out. None predicted a hung parliament in the last Federal election, for example, even though it was widely discussed in the run-up (which spawned the ‘there will be no…’ promise) in response to the coalition indicating that the greens would share balance of power, at least in the upper house.
2. Betting markets can be easily moved by money. Not saying it is happening, but the amount of money needed to shift the markets is peanuts compared to how much money is spent in campaigns. So while I’m not saying this is definitively happening, the simple fact that it is possible should relegate the betting markets back to novelty status, rather than predictive status.
Alcatel was a corrupt company. It had a corrupt culture. It paid bribes to government officials around the world in order to get government business. It had systems and processes to disguise the bribes it paid. It was very sophisticated. Jean Pascal Beaufret was the Chief Financial Officer of Alcatel and Mike Quigley was its Chief Operating Officer.
The Rudd Government appointed Quigley to head up the NBN on 25 July, 2009. Quigley appointed Beaufret as his CFO.
I see more and more people being led around by dogs on leashes. These people have absolutely no hope of restraining the dog if the dog decides to chew a kiddie.
There are problem dog owners, for sure.
Still, I’ve always maintained that the greatest danger in a public park are the little thugs created from what I call iPhone-parenting. That’s where the parent lets the kids off the leash and then stares into an iPhone for a couple of hours. The kids get more and more destructive in a futile attempt to get their parents to lift their nose above the mobile facebook app.
the government troll has now arrived to distract and disinform.
Hey, I thought that was my job.
I’m not joining in on the topic until the funds arrive in my account for the sterling services I provided at the height of the AWU scandal discussion a few weeks back.
I apologise for having missed this extraordinary development – the Greens dream made real, thanks to Labor’s mad carbon tax:
Qantas has entered into an agreement to buy more than a million tonnes of carbon credits from Henbury Station in central Australia.
The 527,000 hectare station was bought by RM Williams Agricultural Holdings for $13 million last year.
The Federal Government has contributed $9 million to the conservation zone project, which will see the Northern Territory station destocked and restored to a natural landscape.
Qantas environment issues head John Valastro says it is the first time the airline has sourced carbon credits in Australia.
This is taxing the public to return productive farms back to Nature. Paying more for less food and fewer jobs. It realises the Greens dream of removing man from the landscape.
And note the astonishing profiteering involved. A farm worth $13 million now produces carbon credits which, if purchased at the current carbon price, are worth $23 million, all financed by Qantas passengers and taxpayers.
This farm won’t produce jobs but pieces of paper allowing passengers to fly with an easier green conscience – and a lighter wallet.
Effect on the temperature? Zero. Effect on Australian food prices, transport costs, jobs and competitiveness? Entirely negative.
Over the past four years, the Labor government has lifted the debt ceiling four times, from $75 billion, to $200 billion, to $250 billion and now $300 billion. On each occasion Treasurer Wayne Swan has earnestly promised not to exceed the total debt limit.
But over the same period Labor has also produced the four biggest Budget deficits on record, totalling $174 billion.
Swan told the ABC’s AM program in May that lifting the debt ceiling was “no big deal”… it would still take 113 years to pay off the $174 billion of cumulative deficits Labor has delivered in just four years.
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This group, which ranks 144 nations, found Australia slipped down the ladder in a number of crucial areas in the four years from 2007-08 to 2012-2013.
In terms of wastefulness of government spending, we went from 10th place to 48, in terms of the burden of government regulation, we dropped from 68 to 96. Transparency – from 12 to 29, government effectiveness – 5 to 18, government debt – 16 to 30, flexibility of wage determination – 87 to 125, labour market efficiency – 13 to 42, hiring and firing practices – 63 to 120, pay and productivity – 40 to 80.
This is the scorecard of a nation that is going backward, a nation in decline, not a nation that is harnessing its mineral wealth and implementing reforms.
NSW Premier Barry O’Farrell says he will work with the federal government to toughen laws to punish internet trolls after footballer Robbie Farah copped abuse on Twitter.
NSW government wants the power to arrest people over internet comments the don’t like:
“NSW Police Minister Michael Gallacher said state police had some powers to act on offensive tweets but he wanted them to be able to replace “keyboards with handcuffs”.
Weep.
“I noticed that last night in a very short amount of time, others on Twitter had identified his ISP address, which is the computer from which this person had sent the message from,” Mr O’Farrell told Triple M Radio.
“So I imagine he is a bit nervous today and so he should be.“
He told reporters he had been talking to police about problems surrounding the issue.
“A lot of it does need some support from federal government and I’m sure the federal government will be up for it,” he said.
Utterly fascist stuff from the NSW Libs, just breathtaking. Not to mention showing an extraordinary lack of understanding of how the Internet works.
I’m not joining in on the topic until the funds arrive in my account for the sterling services I provided at the height of the AWU scandal discussion a few weeks back.
Has your’s already arrived SteveC?
I’m still on the phone in the conference call with Sussex St, getting the latest talking points down pat. The money is being wired through as I type.
Of course they will be, you monumental idiot. They desperately want to ban blogospherical criticism.
I’m going to repeat what I said last year re the NBN. It will be used as the tool to enforce these sorts of laws without running foul of freedom of speech “rights”. Australian ISP’s will be required to accept terms of agreement that state that in order to peer with or resell access to the NBNco’s network they must abide by NBNCo’s policies regarding the flow of “offensive speech”, copyrighted material, “offensive material”, spam, viruses, worms and trojans across the network.
The argument will be “don’t like it, don’t use the NBN”, the problem is that the ALP have paid testra and optus to physically destroy their competing networks and to promise not to aggressively compete with wireless.
@blogstrop that Hitchens article also has a piece on ‘dalek checkouts’ – a lame attempt at smearing automated checkout operations.
Customers like them in the same way they like ATMs. Fast, convenient, less prone to error and less waiting in line.
Anyone who complains about machines replacing humans should not:
1) drive a car
2) watch television
3) use a computer
4) operate a microwave
Instead they should spend a day dictating to their secretary before walking down to the local theatre to take in a show by some actors, and finishing off with a restaurant-cooked meal.
All replacement of human labour with machines – wherever successful (ie, profitable) improves the quality of life.
The replacement of checkout operators with machines increases productivity, which both reduces time spent in line for consumers, lowers the cost of stores for retailers, and – beautifully – guts another line of union dues for parasite union bosses. You might lament the loss of low-paying, repetitive and boring jobs – but few others will. Every crappy job replaced by machines releases spending for other things, and therefore creates job opportunities somewhere else.
If people crave the personal touch for buying their groceries, they can wait in line or find a boutique shop.
Personally, I love vending machines, and I can’t wait for a future where supermarkets are just a giant online vending machine with self-driving robotic delivery trucks.
The replacement of checkout operators with machines increases productivity, which both reduces time spent in line for consumers, lowers the cost of stores for retailers, and – beautifully – guts another line of union dues for parasite union bosses. You might lament the loss of low-paying, repetitive and boring jobs – but few others will. Every crappy job replaced by machines releases spending for other things, and therefore creates job opportunities somewhere else.
The implementation of automated checkouts has gone smoothly at the local Woolworths and I’ve seen people using them even with the manned express lane is empty.
For big shopping carts people still use manned lanes as it’s more convenient.
He should by now have undertaken to hold an investigation into Conroy’s nobbling of the AusNet tender. In any other arena, this would have been illegal and he might have found himself up on corruption charges.
Cain said he’s convinced there are many more ABCs — “American black conservatives” — than pundits and politicians think.
“I’m an ABC!” he enthusiastically told Moran. And while other blacks “may not be visible as delegates” at the largely white GOP convention, “I know that they are there. There are a lot of closet conservative blacks in this country looking for a home.”
Cyber bullying does go on and affects some young people because they get in a tangle about it, spending so much time on Facebook and also Twitter as they do.
Arresting a person for it is hideous though, must be another way, and I wonder what the definition of “trolling” is – it could be very subjective, what upsets one person, another person won’t give a bugger about.
mOnty’s in Melbourne, SteveC is Sydney (I think) and I’m in Brisbane.
You see, the Party selects just one from each State to do its bidding in the blogosphere, and we three were chosen from a wide range of union flunky applicants.
We’ve also all slept with Julia Gillard, which helped in the selection process.
The American left… ie the Demolitionist party sure are the pro science party.
Yea right
Consider California’s Proposition 37, which would require genetically modified food to carry a warning label. The American Medical Association is opposed because “there is no scientific justification for special labeling of bioengineered foods.” Every major scientific and regulatory agency — including the prestigious National Academy of Sciences, the World Health Organization, EPA, FDA, and USDA — recognizes the importance of genetic modification.
Yet, the California Democratic Party has officially endorsed Proposition 37 — in direct opposition to the recommendation of America’s finest doctors and in contradiction to the scientific consensus. The Republicans endorsed the pro-science position. Did this fact make the news? No.
Digging deeper into the issue, one finds that California Democrats have de facto allied themselves with some of the biggest ant-science quacks in America. Among Prop 37’s most fervent supporters are peddlers of alternative medicine, anti-vaccine groups, and even one crank who claims that genetically modified food causes autism.
And lookee here:
The second person is President Barack Obama. On the campaign trail in 2008, Obama said , “We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it’s connected to the vaccines. This person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it.”
Wrong. The science was settled in 2002, if not earlier. In truth, the biomedical community never accepted this link, even as the myth gained wider acceptance among the general public. Obama was either severely uninformed about basic medical science or he was playing politics with people’s fears.
And look at what the moron caused.
Once he got into office, his performance on the issue didn’t improve. In 2009, under the auspices of his newly elected administration, the FDA ordered a change from multi-dose to single-dose influenza vaccines because they contained less thimerosal — the preservative that anti-vaccine activists wrongly believed causes autism. According to Scott Gottlieb, a former deputy commissioner of the FDA, this last minute switch was partially to blame for the vaccine shortages which occurred later that year.
Steve
It is very hard in many cases if you live in a community and have a high profile to go against the majority of what that community believes. Look at some of the crap people like Noel Pearson or Bess Price have had to put up with. They are basically accused of going against their race because they don’t support the ALP without question. There is no reason it would be so different in the US. So what number are supporters of the right side of politics who knows but for sure there are many who do but are not public about it.
AK: I was extremely nervous. Since they are gangsters, I thought I should be very careful, in case I shot something I wasn’t supposed to see. But this actually upset the gang. They saw my nervousness as disrespectful. I remember one time early on this guy pulled me aside and said, “You are here to take pictures. Act like a professional.” It turned out they respected me if I was really aggressive about getting a certain shot. To not take photos was a sign of weakness.
S: So what was that subculture like? What kind of values did they have?
AK: The values were almost comparable to general Japanese workplace values, actually. Most yakuza gangs actually have neighborhood offices, and the plaques they have on the door state core values like “respect your superiors,” “keep the office clean,” and so on.
One thing I noticed early on with gang life was how subtle everything was. Everything was unspoken, and will was expressed through group pressure. A pressure was constantly there. There was this innate understanding of form—if someone did something wrong, no one would say anything; he would simply be expected to apologize. And the fact everyone would be so silent about it made the pressure really intense.
S: Sounds a bit skuzzy. Why do you think society puts up with them?
AK: It’s said neighborhoods with a big yakuza presence are some of the seediest places in Japan, but also some of the safest places. The yakuza are not randomly violent—I mean, there is violence, but it doesn’t spill out into the public eye very often since keeping a low profile is good for business. And the yakuza are vested in making sure other people’s violence doesn’t spill into the public, either.
All non-yakuza gangs with a presence in Japan only exist by the grace of the yakuza. In Kabuki-cho the Nigerian mob were ceded a certain amount of territory and not allowed to step outside their bounds. If they did they’d be beaten up. The gang had street cameras everywhere to make sure nothing disruptive was happening.
Steve if you look at the NT election results it appears many black people are sick of Labor too. Bess Price got a swing of 18%. Admitedly there are not all that many voters in the electorate but it is a majority black electorate.
Aboriginal politics up there is very complicated, it seems to me kelly. I wouldn’t read too much into it.
By the way, there was a story on aborigines running cattle stations on Landline yesterday (a show that I don’t go out of my way to watch, but when I see it, it always has a strangely relaxing effect on me. I don’t understand what it is about the show, but it’s very calming as well as usually interesting.)
There were a couple of older aboriginal guys regretting the equal pay change, which they said meant that the stations could only afford to keep few stockmen and their families, and this led to disparate tribes which had previously been kept separate by living on stations to have to go live in settlements together. This led to problems within these new settlements which continue today.
I didn’t realise before that this was part of the modern problem (the bit about different tribal groups being put together and that causing friction.)
Adopting a new tone, Mitt Romney on Sunday said he would retain elements of President Obama’s health care overhaul, blamed Republicans as much as Democrats for the “mistake” of agreeing to automatic cuts in military spending and said Mr. Obama’s national security strategy had made America in “some ways safer.”
I didn’t realise before that this was part of the modern problem (the bit about different tribal groups being put together and that causing friction.)
That’s because you’re ignorant, Shit for Brains.
Ignorant and won’t listen, won’t be told.
Why don’t you get a job somewhere on The Lands and educate yourself?
Why are we forced to live in a leftwing toilet that allows political activists in the bureaucracy to terrorise ordinary citizens and swindle them out of their property rights? The election of an Abbott government will be only the first battle in a war to purge these fascists from unelected positions of power.
Well, winston, I think I probably had heard it mentioned before, but had forgotten. I was surprised to see some aboriginal guys bringing it up as being a big part of what went wrong.
By the way, I never claim to be particularly knowledgeable about this issue and don’t get involved in discussions about the intervention, etc, here. I do agree that Lefties have very often let ideology and political correctness triumph over practicalities, and can’t see that there is a future in keeping remote communities which have no hope of integration into the economy alive.
At the same time, I think Bolt was a jerk in the way he went about the “white aborigine” issue, and has been acting up as a drama queen on it ever since he lost.
The president had stopped at a campaign office in Port St. Lucie, Fla., to thank volunteers. Then, for the cameras, Mr. Obama was supposed to call two campaign workers who were out working on his behalf.
But when White House trip director Marvin Nicholson handed the president his personal iPhone, Mr. Obama couldn’t get it to work. A reporter who witnessed the scene said the president looked “befuddled.”
“It’s not clear he knows how to dial on an iPhone,” the reporter wrote in a pool report.
Regarding the fascist moanings of the NSW Liberal Government organising to have the power to put people in gaol over their twitter comments an article at News.com.au demonstrates the insanity.
Robbie Farrah received a nasty tweet from some dickhead.
In response he wrote: “u worthless piece of shit, if you had the balls to say that to my face I’d rip your face off”.
Immediately below the screencap of that tweet we have Nanny Roxon stating:
under commonwealth law it was an offence to menace, harass or threaten harm via social media.
So Farah’s reply to the troll broke existing commonwealth law and the troll could right now demand that he be charged.
This is really going to end well you fuckhead politicians.
That’s just mind-bogglingly communist, Twostix. And get this:
A letter arrived from Perth lawyer Martin Bennett a few days later demanding all posts be removed from the EGO thread. HotCopper duly removed the entire discussion… Two defamation writs were also issued: one to shareholder Darren Watson, the other to a 67-year-old nurse from Queensland, Susanne Devereux.
SFB saying he and monty slept with Gillard ought to be very afraid.
The papers are using the UK Social Media laws as an example to follow, specifically where some kid was arrested and charged for abusing a tax payer funded million dollar elite olympic athlete for losing:
I saw Craig Emerson refer to someone asking him a question on Twitter as as “filthy young lib” is he in violation of the law or the proposed laws? Or are and will these laws only exist to “protect” the elite from the peasants?
You’ll be pleased to know an uncorroborated claim made by a political enemy for the first time last week, 35 years after the fact, about “violence”, over which charges have never been laid and which has been denied, has equivalence with uncontested evidence that the nation’s leader lost her only job outside politics for serious misconduct:
Anthony Albanese says Tony Abbott should give a ”full explanation” of claims he physically intimidated a female opponent during a student election, accusing the Opposition Leader of having double standards.
Mr Albanese, the Leader of the House, says that after Mr Abbott demanded Prime Minister Julia Gillard give a full statement about why she left a Melbourne law firm before entering parliament, he should do the same over stories from his student days.
”It is Tony Abbott himself who says that it’s legitimate to go back into people’s past decades,” Mr Albanese told reporters in Canberra today.
Thankfully, in the past month, most Australians have had removed any doubt that the prime minister, apart from being a liar, is a person of otherwise poor character.
”It is Tony Abbott himself who says that it’s legitimate to go back into people’s past decades,” Mr Albanese told reporters in Canberra today.
Abbott should agree to make a statement in parliament only after Gillard agrees to make a statement about the Wilson Affair on the record in parliament.
Albo really didn’t think very hard about this, did he?
says that after Mr Abbott demanded Prime Minister Julia Gillard give a full statement about why she left a Melbourne law firm before entering parliament,
Ah, yes it’s all very clear now McTiernan is behind the false wall-hitting accusation made by Ramjam. This is just another ALP stunt.
For Amnesty, three pretty white chicks are clearly way more important than 34 dead black blokes. Britain’s liberal broadsheets, which pride themselves on speaking truth to power, have published no thundering editorials about the massacre, no stinging critiques of the ANC. World leaders are also keeping schtum.
I think Mitt’s trying a new strategy which will probably drive wingnuts crazy:
Adopting a new tone, Mitt Romney on Sunday said he would retain elements of President Obama’s health care overhaul,
You mean this stepford?
Asked by the show’s host, David Gregory, what elements of the health care program he would maintain, Mr. Romney said he would ensure that those with pre-existing conditions can obtain coverage, just as the president’s plan does.
It’s always been Mitt’s and GOP policy, you turkey.
A letter arrived from Perth lawyer Martin Bennett a few days later demanding all posts be removed from the EGO thread. HotCopper duly removed the entire discussion… Two defamation writs were also issued: one to shareholder Darren Watson, the other to a 67-year-old nurse from Queensland, Susanne Devereux.
Defamation law in Australia is absurd. The process is punishment.
My friend was part of a case that ended last year. Somebody that my friend barely knew had told a joke about a business my friend was involved with to somebody else at a bar and attributed it to my friend.
The joke was relayed to the owner of the business and he shopped around and found a solicitor who would help him shake down / sue. Initially he sued both the joke teller and my friend but dropped the case against the joke teller after some machinations.
My friend refused to settle, but formally “apologised” which the guy rejected and so four years and $110,000 later, my friend was finally cleared. He re-mortgaged his house and his parents took a loan out against their house to help him with the legals. My friend counter sued for defamation as during the time the plaintiff and his solicitor allegedly defamed him but the business man declared bankruptcy and it’ll be another couple of years before that case is finished and my friends solicitor tells him not to expect to see any of it back.
Four years of his life and $110,000 down the drain over nothing.
Anthony Albanese says Tony Abbott should give a ”full explanation” of claims he physically intimidated a female opponent during a student election, accusing the Opposition Leader of having double standards.
Mr Albanese, the Leader of the House, says that after Mr Abbott demanded Prime Minister Julia Gillard give a full statement about why she left a Melbourne law firm before entering parliament, he should do the same over stories from his student days.
”It is Tony Abbott himself who says that it’s legitimate to go back into people’s past decades,” Mr Albanese told reporters in Canberra today.
So Abbott needs to demand that Gillard make a full statement to parliament about why she was president of an organisation whose official policy was that all men are rapists and married women are prostitutes.
ALP commies have much more to fear about going back into the student politic days.
There is some connection to be made between autism and
“Old Peoples sperm” and the “Eggs of older women”
See Norman Swan. A man with impeccable credentials.
Maybe some people are having children too late in life.
Bomb threat at CFMEU turns out to be a hoax. It is within the realms of possibility that the hoax was concocted and executed by CFMEU staffer to gain some sympathy and/or falsely intimate/accuse Grocon or non-union labour of the act. It is possible.
Half of the Arctic ice having gone and a couple of tornadoes around New York City hasn’t convinced you yet? I’m asking Gaia to send a threatening but relatively harmless waterspout up Sydney Harbour this summer, and lightning bolts for the building that houses the IPA.
As usual, SFB, you didn’t read the article and instead of finding any fault with the article and offering an argument with any counter-factual you can dig up, you verbal the author. The article is by By R. Warren Anderson and Dan Gainor – why you are linking to Chossudovsky only you know.
A bipartisan group of six senators recently wrote to Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari, asking that he free Rimsha Masih, the eleven-year-old girl who was being held on blasphemy charges and is still under serious threat of mob violence and resumed prosecution even though she has been released on bail. The letter is a welcome indication that the world is finally noticing Pakistan’s blasphemy laws — but working at cross purposes with those who are trying to get Pakistan to scrap these laws is none other than Barack Obama, who is now doing nothing less than effectively enforcing them upon the U.S. military. The senators wrote to the wrong President.
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However, Barack Obama has just dealt a huge setback to any effort to compel Pakistan to drop its blasphemy laws in the interest of human rights, by effectively enforcing Islamic blasphemy laws against American military personnel. For last month, U.S. military brass announced that they were going to punish six American troops who were involved in the notorious burning of Qur’ans in Afghanistan last February.
“The administrative punishments,” according to Reuters, “could include things like reduce rank or forfeiture of pay.” Nonetheless, these “fell short of criminal prosecution, and it was unclear whether they would satisfy Afghan demands for justice.”
Gab,
He’s got nothing, never has, never will.
I know you have pity for such useless vermin but if you keep feeding it, it will never leave.
It’ll just keep turning up, waging its pox riddled tail, roll onto its back and piddle all over itself.
There is much speculation regarding President Barack Obama’s intentions for America should he no longer need to hide his desires from an electorate. Occasionally, he and other members of his administration let slip glimpses of their preferred utopian future, as they have recently done with education policy. If their desires are implemented, the consequences for American education — and society — will be profound and uniquely destructive.
…
Holder mentioned his determination to mandate racial quotas for school discipline:
“We’ve often seen that students of color, students from disadvantaged backgrounds, and students with special needs are disproportionately likely to be suspended or expelled,” Holder said in Atlanta, Ga.
“This is, quite simply, unacceptable. … These unnecessary and destructive policies must be changed” …
Holder attributed his claim of racial disparity in school discipline to a 2011 study that he said showed “83 percent of African American male students and 74 percent of Hispanic male students ended up in trouble and suspended for some period of time.”
Tim Ball is a fucking hero for having integrity and courage you can only dream about, you gutless dumb lowlife scum. Go back to where you belong: the blog with no readers. Want to know why it has no readers? Because you are as dumb as dogshit and have no credibility and have never written anything worth reading because you’re an uneducated pillock.
You’re such a disgusting violation of human nature I am now devoted to getting you banned from this place. Fuck off or be fucked off. No-one wants you here. We despise you.
You’re such a disgusting violation of human nature I am now devoted to getting you banned from this place. Fuck off or be fucked off. No-one wants you here. We despise you.
Actually I don’t mind some of the posts that our resident sheltered workshop trolls deliver here. The obviously wacky one can be ignored and those posts that do contain some semblance of higher lifeform intelligence can be debated and counter argued. Many a time I have seen insightful points of view teased out and robustly debated providing a greater depth of understanding that would not be possible if it was only a right wing group think love in.
If we banned all left wing comment then we would be no better than programs like Insiders,Drum, Q&A etc where everyone agrees with everyone else and issues are shallowly discussed.
Ignore fatuous comments, ignore obvious baiting, and ignore factless opinion. I liken Sfb, SteveC, Febro to Gollum in Lord of the Rings; A necessary evil have around to to complete our quest and totally expendable to be thrown into the crack of doom after the next election.
Great website gab, must remember to get all my hard hitting facts from there:
The term “conspiracy theorist“, perhaps the most misapplied description in our vernacular, is often used to describe 9/11 truthers. Perhaps that term does apply to a segment of the 9/11 truth movement. But in most cases a more accurate description of 9/11 truthers is probably “expert”, or “scholar”, or “researcher.” You see, much of the doubt cast on the official narrative of the events of 9/11 has not come in the form of speculated accusations, or “theories.” In fact, it has come in the form of questions that have been raised after a careful study of the official and undisputed events and details.
The Transnational Capitalist Class (TCC), or ‘Superclass’ as David Rothkopf refers to them, are globalized like never before. For the first time in history, we have a truly global and heavily integrated elite. As elites have globalized their power, seeking to construct a ‘new world order’ of global governance and ultimately global government, they have simultaneously globalized populations.
A brief survey of some of the scariest products known to be in the arsenal of the secretive alphabet agencies arrayed against John Q. Public are such devices as the Neurophone, patented by Dr. Patrick Flanagan in 1968. It converts sound to electrical impulses which can be delivered from satellites. When aimed at individuals, the impulses travel directly to the brain where the sounds are re-assembled and appear to be voices inside the head, which can be perceived as coming from God, or telepathic aliens, or whatever. Or the sounds can come out of a turned-off TV or radio. Through software, the device can mimic anyone’s voice and translate into any language.
As elites have globalized their power, seeking to construct a ‘new world order’ of global governance and ultimately global government, they have simultaneously globalized populations.
Sounds like the UN, stevec. Also seems to back up Bob Brown’s call for a one world government, stevec.
When aimed at individuals, the impulses travel directly to the brain where the sounds are re-assembled and appear to be voices inside the head, which can be perceived as coming from God, or telepathic aliens, or whatever.
That is a beauty, stevec, do you have a link to it?
Oh so you already knew that these histrionics about the Great Big Ice Melt and subsequent growth has been ongoing since 1895? Good for you. A bit of history and you go into an hysterical overdrive.
Tim Ball is a fucking hero for having integrity and courage you can only dream about, you gutless dumb lowlife scum.
Tom
Made me curious as to how the Mann v Ball court case was progressing.
You might imagine plenty must have transpired by now up there in the British Columbia Supreme Court. But you would be wrong. Mann’s zeal for pressing home his action against his fellow climatologist appears to have waned. Some observers are even of the opinion that Mann is delaying the inevitable until Ball slaps one home between the pipes.
Today – despite being duly served with legal notices – Steyn and the National Review are taking a leaf from Ball’s book and not caving over their “Football and Hockey” article. Steyn has a reputation for being a tough enforcer capable of lighting the lamp in any SLAAP face off. So is Mann skating on thin ice with more time wasting dangles and dekes?
Looks like “Dr Mann made global warming” might be losing his balls to Dr Tim Ball.
“Mark Steyn and the National Review wrote of the parallels in the “whitewashes” PSU investigations performed separately on Sandusky and Mann. The recent and hard-hitting Freeh Report is damning of PSU’s hierarchy.”
That will make an interesting court case.
This is just too funny. Coming out of an earnest presentation in teh Gillard bunker from McTernan, something straight out of The Thick of It, Albanese goes shouting from the rooftops about Wallgate. He seriously believes anyone would care. When (a) his content, (b) the equivalence he assumes it has with his boss’ historical problems, and (c) the public’s interest in it, all rate a massive zilch, his wounded discomfort should prove absolutely hilarious.
What a waste of space. What a completely typical ALP truffle-hound of crap, convinced that he has hit on the smoking gun at last, besotted with the equivalence he believes he has established, working in tandem with that loathsome dark-arts practitioner flown in from Britain. McTernan is no mere spin doctor, he is a Fellow of the Royal College of Rotation Physicians, an expert in impugnment, lies, ordure-flinging, garbage-bin-rooting and luring opponents’ characters into quiet, dark cul-de-sacs and garrotting them.
Yet again these contemptible morons manage to completely overlook what the voting public, Middle Australia, think of this rotten grab-bag of malignant Westminster practices. It;s a real vote-winner, guys. Keep doing it.
Yeah, real wacky, stevec. That article you linked to starts off talking about the CIA programs and then continues:
In 1974, Lawrence Pinneo, a neurophysiologist and electronic engineer with the Stanford Research Institute succeeded in correlating brain wave patterns from EEGs with specific words. In 1994, the brain wave patterns of 40 subjects were officially correlated with both spoken words and silent thought at the University of Missouri. It is believed that US intelligence agencies now have a brain wave vocabulary of over 60,000 words in most common languages.
Brain waves constitute a magnetic field around the head (the aura), each person having a unique, identifiable electromagnetic signature which becomes visible through Kirlian photography, and these fields can be monitored by satellites. The translated results are then fed back to ground-side super computers at speeds of up to 20 gigabytes/second. Neurophone messages can then be beamed to selected individuals based on their thoughts. It is believed that about one million people around the globe are now monitored on a regular basis. As these numbers increase, as they certainly will, to include most educated and important people in the world, the New World Order will definitely have arrived.
As Australian writer Paul Baird has observed, “no-one will ever be able to even think about expressing an opinion contrary to those forced on us by the New World Order. There will literally be no intellectual property that cannot be stolen, no writing that cannot be censored, no thought that cannot be suppressed (by the most oppressive/invasive means).” Baird also claims that ex-military/intelligence whistle-blowers have reported that experiments in controlling voters with these techniques have been tried in several foreign countries. So much for democracy.
Other technologies, such as microwave bombardment to confuse and disorient field personnel, microchip implantation, silently delivered acoustical subliminal messages, widespread population control through psychiatric drugs, and extreme close-up satellite-based viewing able to read documents indoors, are all well-developed and in use by military and intelligence agencies. This doesn’t even address the monitoring of overt spoken and written material. Under Project ECHELON, the NSA monitors every call, fax, e-mail and computer data message in and out of the US, Canada and several other countries. Their computers then search for key words and phrases. Anything or anyone of interest draws the attention of agency operatives, who can then commence surveillance operations by the NSA or other intelligence agencies.
Yeah, it’ll never happen.
I notice that a lot of articles are sourced elsewhere on that site and showcased on that site.
Still, the article I linked too – also sourced elsewhere – was just an historical piece highlighting, over the course of 117 years, how the climate doomsayers have been wrong time and again.
It’s a toss up who is the most unloved one here commenting 24/7. Angry Tom or dumb Gab.
That comment absolutely confirms that “febro” is that slimy murderer-loving trannie Phil. Hey Phil, you written any more poems to your hero, the Fort Hood murderer Nidal Hasan?
LOL at least I wasn’t here commenting on Friday and Saturday night unlike you “febro”. Poor old lonely thing no where else to be, eh old trannie?
The problem was nearly everything the article quoted was newpaper headlines, to which I respond “so what?” It wasn’t a useful discussion of the history of climate chnage science.
BTW here’s some more brilliant analysis from R warren anderson:
Housing: Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan has said he did not believe in a national housing bubble, only froth in local markets. The downturn of the housing market has been predicted since June of 2002 and has yet to occur. Writing in The Wall Street Journal on May 31, Brian Wesbury said that between 1992 and 2003, average housing prices have increased 43.5 percent, with the Consumer Price Index increasing 27.2 percent over the same period. That means that housing prices have only increased 1.5 percent faster than overall prices. Wesbury called this a sign of strong demand and rising commodity prices, but hardly a bubble.
Very Gandalfian of you, Splat. BTW, was I right last evening? Did you miss an “is”?
Sorry my year 10 education can’t grasp the ramification of omitting the 3rd person singular present indicative of “is” to the point I was making.
All I was trying to say was that if sex education for 12 years old’s contained graphic details of homosexual practices such as feltching and anal sex it would have the same salutary effect as showing diseased lungs and dead rats from the effects of smoking.
Gab, if you want to read a proper history of the scientific development of global warming, you could do well to have a look through Spencer Weart’s website on the topic. There is a summary page and a timeline, and plenty more detail beyond that.
In 1902 they reporters that scientists said the glaciers would disappear. Twenty years later, when the glaciers didn’t disappear, they said the glaciers were growing. rinse and repeat.
Seems like something that’s been happening for, like, eons. I know, I know, to you alarmists that really is strange.
If we banned all left wing comment then we would be no better than programs like Insiders,Drum, Q&A etc where everyone agrees with everyone else and issues are shallowly discussed.
Good grief! We have it thrust at us by the ABC, Fairfax and even the bulk of commercial TV every fucking day of the week.
There’s no shortage of lefty bulldust to discuss and fisk. What I object to is those who are demonstrably here purely as spoilers (and they have actually spoilt the open threads) not as part of a genuine conversation.
Gab, your article is more about media reporting of climate claims. It is not the same thing as reading a detailed history of the actual scientific development.
When you went to high school, was ever subject taught by textbooks which consisted entirely of media reports on the subject?
SFB, I know this is difficult for you to understand but I’ll try again. The article is just a history of how climate alarmists have changed their minds over the course of 117 years to suit when the climate didn’t behave as predicted.
Gab, i didn’t find it upsetting, just not very useful.
Technically it is a history of how climate alarmists newspapers have changed their minds. Which I don’t find very meaningful
Technically it is a history of how climate alarmists newspapers have changed their minds
No. Wrong. It is newspapers reporting what people such as geologists have predicted starting in 1895. You clearly didn’t read the linked article so why are you commenting on it?
Gab, there are many, many things that are much, much better understood now than they were 100, 50 or even 30 years ago.
Do you always keep going back to mistaken science opinion (some of which may not even had been the consensus of the time) of pre-WW2, based as they were on incomplete observations and the limited technology, as a reason to not be convinced by the scientific conclusions of the present day?
SFB, I find it interesting to look over the past 117 years and see how the trend of climate alarmism has developed. Starting in 1895, they have provided the world with error-laden predictions. It’s no different today.
Gab…..disengage, sweetly but firmly, and cross to the other side of the road.
This site’s equivalent of the dishevelled crank that sleeps under refrigerator packaging under the Coke sign next to the old railway bridge, and accosts passers-by with mutterings about 9/11 and the ATO and unspecified wrongs done to him by unnamed employers, has bailed you up on the footpath of the Cat.
Just stand where other people can see you, tell him you’re happy to pay $23 a tonne, use a pleasant tone and get out of there!
“Still, the article I linked too – also sourced elsewhere – was just an historical piece highlighting, over the course of 117 years, how the climate doomsayers have been wrong time and again.”
Wrong. Ask yourself what was the factual basis for the reporting. Was it one scientist or group, or many around the world? Was it an outlying study being reported, or a series of mutually confirming studies? Was it the media misrepresenting the scientific work by emphasising the low-probability but high-drama predictions, or was it an honest report of what the scientists actually thought was happening or going to happen? Was it tabloid ‘journalism’, or credible reporting?
To cherry-pick a few media articles (without asking these questions) and claim them as somehow being representative of the development of climate science is really, really stupid. To suggest the thousands upon thousands of studies over decades (confirming that AGW is real, is mostly us, and is a threat) are equivalent to a couple of second-rate 9-day-wonder papers that didn’t survive sceptical examination is… well, Gab-level stupid.
As one of the world’s foremost Arctic experts, Balchen was sought out by numerous companies and government agencies including Canada and Norway. Balchen was hired as a consultant by Hercules Oil, then Phillips Petroleum and Moran Towing on plans to extract oil from Alaska using pipelines.[25] According to a 1972 article in the Christian Science Monitor, Belchen asserted that “a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000.
I wonder if he was thought a kook back then when he delivered his prediction – him being the recognized world’s expert on the Arctic, at the time.
No gab, your characterisation of the article is incorrect. the quite long article quoted 5 scientists – Reid Bryson, Dr. J. Murray Mitchell Jr., J. B. Kincer, Nathaniel Schmidt, Rutger Sernander – among literally scores of refereneces to newpapers and journals.
The article itself says “This isn’t a question of science. It’s a question of whether Americans can trust what the media tell them about science.” . and concludes ” It is time for the news media to admit a consistent failure to report this issue fairly or accurately, with due skepticism of scientific claims.”
The article is about reporting of science, not science. As I agreed earlier it is interesting, but not very useful.
The conclusion would be “Don’t believe everything you read in the newspaper”. Who woulda thunk it!
Gab, Balchen was an aviator from Norway who went to the US and had an Air Force career. There is quite a long Wikipedia entry for him, which I can’t link to because I am iPad-ing.
It is clear from reading about his career that he knew about cold weather generally, but had no particular climate related science experience. His prediction about the warming Arctic was made towards the end of his life.
He was not an expert re Arctic climate change; his error is unimportant.
Once again, you have been conned by fake skeptics.
No gab, your characterisation of the article is incorrect. the quite long article quoted 5 scientists – Reid Bryson, Dr. J. Murray Mitchell Jr., J. B. Kincer, Nathaniel Schmidt, Rutger Sernander – among literally scores of refereneces to newpapers and journals.
No, stevec, no mischaracterisation on my part. What I said was “It is newspapers reporting what people such as geologists have predicted starting in 1895”.
The article itself says “This isn’t a question of science. It’s a question of whether Americans can trust what the media tell them about science.” . and concludes ” It is time for the news media to admit a consistent failure to report this issue fairly or accurately, with due skepticism of scientific claims.”
In the full context from the article:
Despite all the historical shifting from one position to another, many in the media no longer welcome opposing views on the climate. CBS reporter Scott Pelley went so far as to compare climate change skeptics with Holocaust deniers.
“If I do an interview with [Holocaust survivor] Elie Wiesel,” Pelley asked, “am I required as a journalist to find a Holocaust denier?” he said in an interview on March 23 with CBS News’s PublicEye blog.
He added that the whole idea of impartial journalism just didn’t work for climate stories. “There becomes a point in journalism where striving for balance becomes irresponsible,” he said.
Pelley’s comments ignored an essential point: that 30 years ago, the media were certain about the prospect of a new ice age. And that is only the most recent example of how much journalists have changed their minds on this essential debate.
Some in the media would probably argue that they merely report what scientists tell them, but that would be only half true.
Journalists decide not only what they cover; they also decide whether to include opposing viewpoints. That’s a balance lacking in the current “debate.”
This isn’t a question of science. It’s a question of whether Americans can trust what the media tell them about science.
I agree. Here the article refers to recent (30yrs) biased msm reporting of climate change. Only one view is reported in the majority, there is no balance and opposing viewpoints receive little or no coverage. (the MSM would not deign to report on “deniers” unless it’s to mock). This is well known.
The article is about reporting of science, not science. As I agreed earlier it is interesting, but not very useful.
I never said it was science. It is an illustration of what climate “scientists” and experts in their fields fed newspapers. The article illustrates how the trend of warming/cooling has changed four times in a bit over 100 years – as reported in the newspapers and magazines from climate “scientists”. For example:
Journalists took the threat of another ice age seriously. Fortune magazine actually won a “Science Writing Award” from the American Institute of Physics for its own analysis of the danger. “As for the present cooling trend a number of leading climatologists have concluded that it is very bad news indeed,” Fortune announced in February 1974…
That article also emphasized Bryson’s extreme doomsday predictions. “There is very important climatic change going on right now, and it’s not merely something of academic interest.”
Bryson warned, “It is something that, if it continues, will affect the whole human occupation of the earth – like a billion people starving. The effects are already showing up in a rather drastic way.” However, the world population increased by 2.5 billion since that warning.
And the article proceeds to warn that reporting on climate matters is skewed towards alarmism.
Your comment that it is not useful to you is of no surprise. A lot of comments and links you post are of no “use” to anyone.
The conclusion would be “Don’t believe everything you read in the newspaper”.
Well, yes. It’s an old adage and proved true time and again especially in the realms of climate “science” reportage.
Who woulda thunk it!
Who? People who don’t slavishly “believe” what the climate alarmists feed newspapers, the other point of the article.
As for that nasty Jarrah who sticks his nose in where it’s not wanted, sniffs at the wrong angle in the article and finishes with his signature arrogant flourish, well I’ll tread carefully lest I be sued.
“claim them as somehow being representative of the development of climate science”
I made no such claim. What I stated:
“..was just an historical piece highlighting, over the course of 117 years, how the climate doomsayers have been wrong time and again.”
Their predictions have been wrong. Is this the problem? Or perhaps it’s the “doomsayer” tag that got your nose out of joint.
“To suggest the thousands upon thousands of studies over decades (confirming that AGW is real, is mostly us, and is a threat) are equivalent to a couple of second-rate 9-day-wonder papers that didn’t survive sceptical examination is…”
Oooh, you make me sound evil. “A couple of second-rate-9-day-wonder papers”…what? Like the NYT? Like the Washington Post? Chicago Tribune? Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society? My but you have high standards to call these “second-rate” and “9-day-wonders”.
Gab-level stupid
Ah yes, the insult – always the last port of call for you climate alarmist leftists. I maybe stupid, Lord knows I’m no Einstein, but I’m not at the same level of “stupid” as you, Jarrah, so I’ve got that going for me.
To think an article illustrating the history of climate scientists and recognised experts of the times providing their predictions to the newspapers could cause so much consternation is just amazing. Or perhaps it was the bit in the article about biased climate alarmism reporting that has caused the kerfuffle.
And the article proceeds to warn that reporting on climate matters is skewed towards alarmism.
Reporting on anything is skewed towards alarmism. That’s what sells papers.
Well it appears surprisingly we may agree. Media reporting is unreliable, which is why I don’t get my information from newspapers or todays even less reliable equivalent – blogs, but rather from scientific sources such as NASA, CSIRO and the Academies of science.
Wow I saw the second half of David Marr being interviewed by lightweight Emma on Lateline.
Lol yea, it was hysterically funny. David Marr was doing a great Hooray Henry routine and Emma was giving that wanton gaze … “if only he wasn’t gay” look.
Marr
Of course “the punch” to the wall happened 30 years ago.
I’ve read what Gillard and i can’t see anything wrong with assisting embezzlement.
Q&A tonight was the most disgraceful orchestrated lynching attempt I’ve ever seen. Tony Jones ought to be fired.
Archbishop Jensen was magnificent. His performance was one of the greatest I’ve seen on any comparable programme on Australian television.
He wiped the floor with his critics and deftly showed up his interrogators as haters, loonies and ignorant nimrods. All in a Christ-like way.
Tony Jones: “Well, the bible text was Hebrew, actually.”
AUDIENCE APPLAUSE
Jensen: “I don’t know how to tell you this, Tony, but it was Greek.”
Deveny’s appearance again amplifies Andrew Bolt’s argument that it is morally wrong for the ABC to use this clearly disturbed women for others’ entertainment.
CL, Jensen performed well and Deveny was embarrassing.
But your choice of “zinger” is a bit suspect. What was the dialogue just before the “Hebrew” line?
As one of the world’s foremost Arctic experts, Balchen was sought out by numerous companies and government agencies including Canada and Norway. Balchen was hired as a consultant by Hercules Oil, then Phillips Petroleum and Moran Towing on plans to extract oil from Alaska using pipelines.[25] According to a 1972 article in the Christian Science Monitor, Belchen asserted that “a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000.
Well Gab, it was your own post at 11.43. But yes, “pioneer” climate alarmists is a good description. Though I think that is more appropriate to the newspaper reporting.
Gab, that’s self referencing. You are saying you deduced they were experts because the admittedly suspect reporting said they were experts. If I want to check if someone is an expert I would look it up myslef, not just say, “well the newspaper article said he was an expert.”
stevec, no one could accuse you of belaboring a trivial point. They were recognized experts in their own time. I didn’t make this up, it’s there in black and white.
To gather some empirical evidence on this question, we recently conducted an online survey of 492 American adults who have flown in the past year. In this sample, 40% said they did not turn their phones off completely during takeoff and landing on their most recent flight; more than 7% left their phones on, with the Wi-Fi and cellular communications functions active. And 2% pulled a full Baldwin, actively using their phones when they weren’t supposed to.
Consider what these numbers imply. The odds that all 78 of the passengers who travel on an average-size U.S. domestic flight have properly turned off their phones are infinitesimal: less than one in 100 quadrillion, by our rough calculation. If personal electronics are really as dangerous as the FAA rules suggest, navigation and communication would be disrupted every day on domestic flights. But we don’t see that.
Why has the regulation remained in force for so long despite the lack of solid evidence to support it? Human minds are notoriously overzealous “cause detectors.” When two events occur close in time, and one plausibly might have caused the other, we tend to assume it did.
But your choice of “zinger” is a bit suspect. What was the dialogue just before the “Hebrew” line?
No, my account wasn’t “suspect,” dumbo.
The archbishop was discussing the idea of submission (as in woman to man) whereupon Jones protested that it was, after all, an English word from a Hewbrew bible.
Utterly breathtaking imbecility from Jones.
Did he attend university?
Deveny is without doubt one of the Australian’s left’s most beloved intellectual leaders. She again proved that she should retire permanently to her many cats.
Completely agree, CL. Archbishop Jensen was, indeed, magnificent, patient and forgiving; Christ-like, as you say. Deveny was really insufferable. Supremely so. I missed the last 15 minutes but the section on marriage was really instructive. Apart from Jensen the rest of the panel really had nothing particularly intelligent to say on the matter, excepting possibly the lady on the end.
Chris Evans was an embarrassment. The pussy-whipped weakling admitted that his wife was the boss of everything and had written all their marriage vows.
Lefty ‘men’ are always boasting about how beholden and obedient they are to women.
He also again failed to apologise for personally ending the Pacific Solution – the decision that caused the deaths of 800 people.
The hilarious thing about Tony Jones’s boo-boo was that he was simply being a smart arse by interjecting, only to find his interjection being returned to him within interest by Jensen.
On Thursday, Sept. 6, 2012, Jarrod Wyatt, a mixed-martial artist accused of ripping out his friend’s still-beating heart in March of 2010, pleaded guilty to murder and mayhem charges.
CRESCENT CITY, Calif. — A Northern California mixed-martial artist accused of ripping out his friend’s heart and removing his tongue while the two were on hallucinogenic drugs has pleaded guilty to murder and mayhem charges.
Jarrod Wyatt of Crescent City agreed to a plea deal in which he will serve 50 years to life in prison, Del Norte County prosecutors said. His official sentencing is scheduled for Oct. 4.
Wyatt pleaded guilty to first-degree murder involving mayhem in the March 21, 2010, death of his sparring partner, 21-year-old Taylor Powell, prosecutors said.
“The earliest he’ll be able to see a parole board is 2062,” District Attorney Jon Alexander said. “We saved Taylor’s family the agony from reliving the incident at the trial.
Plead guilty and have three square and shelter at taxpayer’s expense for 50 years or until you kill another inmate.
What death penalty?
He only cut out his victim’s tongue and ripped out his heart while he was still alive.
What a mess Gillard/Rudd have created for the region.
Police and agency sources said that, taking into account those who had not registered with UNHCR, the number of potential boatpeople in the archipelago now exceeded 12,000.
Increasing arrivals in Java and Sumatra from South Asia and the Middle East raise fears the expected onset next month of the “western monsoon” will result in an upsurge of sinking tragedies.
[*Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, Shadow Minister for Mental Health and Ageing]
I didn’t know who she was but she handled herself quite well putting Deveny in her box a few times. Her point about attacks on the silent majority in particular Christians went over with strong support from the audience.
I didn’t mean your account was suspect, I meant your choice of that interlude was a poor choice of Jensens good arguments. I didn’t have a transcript, whereas it seemd you did.
Jones asked Jensen what he meant by “submit” and Jensen said it was a biblical word. Jones pointed out the bible wasn’t written in English (he said Hebrew, Jensen corrected him to Greek – of course quite a lot of the bible is actually in hebrew so moot point). Jones then gave an English definition.
Jensen then gave a very good description of what he meant by submit and at what point the vow would make sense. I don’t agree with his view, but I’m an atheist so Jensen would rightly say the vow would not be right for me.
What I find amusing about the whole episode is the constant childish spouting on this blog of “Haha got him with that zinger”
A bit harsh on Evans given that the architect of the policy he was forced to implement in the Rudd government was one Julia Eileen Gillard.
I don’t think it’s harsh on Evans. He still boasts that ending the Pacific Solution, ministerially, was his most golden moment in politics. Utterly shameful.
It’s just an absolute mess that Labor created and now have no idea how to solve…because returning to Howard-era policies is just not an option for them, out of spite and hate and of course it would be embarrassing for them.
On the Australian territory yesterday afternoon, immigration officials, police and managers from security contractor Serco held a teleconference with their counterparts in Canberra to put the finishing touches to the plan to transport the first group of 40 detainees to Nauru.
They made the arrangements as more than 150 asylum-seekers were brought ashore at Christmas Island from three boats. Two groups had been intercepted at sea in recent days and transferred to navy vessels while a third group of 81 motored close to the island overnight in an Indonesian ferry.
Christmas Island now holds almost 2000 asylum-seekers, up from fewer than 300 earlier this year when the detention centre and camps were all but emptied in favour of mainland centres and bridging visas.
More than 2000 have arrived since the government announced it would send asylum-seekers who arrived on or after August 13 to Nauru or Manus Island.
Initially only the fittest adults will be sent to Nauru, The Australian has been told.
I wonder if the government will allow a media presence during these transfers.
It works out to one every three years. Yeah, I’d say ‘few’ is spot on.
“Their predictions have been wrong. Is this the problem?”
No, why should it be? Also, many of those predictions were right.
““A couple of second-rate-9-day-wonder papers”…what? Like the NYT? Like the Washington Post? Chicago Tribune?”
Time to brush up on your reading skills again, Gab. That entire sentence was about scientific papers, not newspapers. LOL
“Ah yes, the insult – always the last port of call for you climate alarmist leftists.”
What a target-rich sentence.
Accepting that we get to choose our own opinions, but not our own facts, is not leftism. Accepting mainstream science is not alarmist. And you’re being hypocritical to object to insults while starting your comment with one.
“finishes with his signature arrogant flourish”
Ah, yes. Being right often leads one to being accused of arrogance by sore losers.
Labor set to target super tax breaks
Published 6:46 AM, 10 Sep 2012
The federal government is looking at the possibility of cutting billions in superannuation tax concessions, according to a report by the Australian Financial Review.
The cuts would help to pay for new policies in education and disability services, with the major target being capital gains tax concessions for self-managed superannuation funds.
It is believed that the government is also looking at the tax free pensions paid to retirees.
But Jeremy Cooper, the head of the federal government’s superannuation review, has warned against the cuts, saying confidence in the system would be undermined, according to the AFR.
“There has been quite a lot of change over a relatively short time. There is always policy reasons but the net effect is that the average person forms the view that super is all very well, but if the rules keep changing all the time, people will just be less inclined to put their money in,” Mr Cooper told the AFR.
The superannuation industry is also urging the government to reconsider targeting super for tax cuts.
“You don’t want regulatory arbitrage to discourage people from savings in super because it is about funding people’s retirement,” said chief executive of the Association of Superannuation Funds of Australia, Pauline Vamos, according to the AFR. http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Labor-set-to-target-super-tax-breaks-pd20120910-XYRYF?OpenDocument&src=am&utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=101356&utm_campaign=am&modapt=news
She looks to me like someone who was born not quite right, but had loving parents who kept her out of institutions. From britannica.com:
An extreme lack of inhibition may be antisocial and a symptom of certain mental disorders, particularly behaviour disorders, sociopathic personality disorders, and schizophrenic disorders.
The SMH has suspended a columnist accused of plagiarism. But why would Media Watch persecute a soul brother at Fairfax? Well, it turns out Tanveer Ahmed attempted to upset the Greens heartland as a Liberal Party candidate for Marrickville council. Your ABC™: Greens Rule, You Pay, OK?
I tried to watch the abomination Q&A last night. I promise, I really did try.
It started off OK with a question from the floor to Chris Evans asking why he had not been sacked for overseeing the removal of Howard’s policies which in turn was directly responsible for 100′s of deaths and the return of the trade in human cargo.
So far, so good.
Evans chose to not answer the question but instead waffled on about how it didn’t matter that they were wrong, what they did was the right thing to do you know.
Then, it had to happen, the Deveny woman opened her mouth.
I swear to God I lasted no more than 15 words of her foul lisping before I turned off.
Why is this woman on the telly? Why am I paying for this woman to be on the telly? Why am I paying for her to have the opportunity to spout her opinions to a national audience?
Of what relevance is her opinion anyway? What is her experience or occupation that gives her views any import?
Is her only relevance that she spews far left green bile, so therefore she is one of their ABC? Is she an expert on anything other than social media fauxs pas? Having her giving opinion on anything is like getting SfB to be an expert panellist at a climate debate.
Catherine, get the fuck off my TV and don’t come back.
With less than two months before voters head to the polls, two daily tracking polls out Monday give President Obama five-percentage-point leads over Mitt Romney, reports USA Today. Gallup’s latest daily tracking poll shows Obama maintaining his largest margin over Mitt Romney since early July, 49 percent to 44 percent. For its part, the Rasmussen daily tracking poll also has Obama ahead, 50 percent to 45 percent.
I don’t have great expectations for Abbot to be PM.
The lying and duplicity of the ALP and Greens is simply astonishing.
1. They are making bullshit up. He was no more anti gay than anyone else. He acted civily and never got physical. Cue David Marr accusing him of some made up crime.
2. Keating…”two poofs and a Cocker Spaniel is not a family”.
These pricks ought to get a taste of their own medicine.
Evans chose to not answer the question but instead waffled on about how it didn’t matter that they were wrong, what they did was the right thing to do you know.
It’s not the first time Evans has pronounced himself proud of his abolition of the Pacific Solution. He’s totally thrilled to have been responsible for almost 1000 deaths. He is literally in deep psychological denial. An almost sociopathic dirtball.
Why is this woman on the telly?
The ABC invites her on (and seats her next to the principal hate figure – they did the same thing when Abbott was on) precisely because they want her to abuse and vilify that person.
Fortunately, she isn’t well and always ends up being an embarrassment – even though she is one of the left’s iconic intellectual leaders.
As for Jones, he will never live down his Dan Quayle/Joe Biden moment last night, where he claimed the bible was written in Hebrew.
I don’t know about, after what she said about 11 year old Bindy Irwin (that the 11 year old should “get laid”). Using kids to further her agenda, why is that acceptable and she gets articles published in major papers and is on TV.
A man would not be able to get away with saying such, it would be end of career.
Last night, the president of France, Francois Hollande, spoke to the French people (9 million of them tuned in) and announced an unprecedented effort to close the deficit by raising an additional €20 billion in taxes next year. With the French economy projected to grow 0.8 percent next year, it’s hard to imagine that this increase in taxes is a good idea.
The private-sector austerity measures will be split between individual- and corporate-tax hikes. The individual tax increases will target the rich (Mr. Hollande’s 2013 budget includes a 75 percent tax on earnings over €1 million a year), but will also hit the middle class.
A California bill allowing children to have three legal parents will not help children, but instead will unnecessarily complicate their lives. The supposed need for California’s SB 1476 flowed directly from the drive to normalize same sex parenting and recognize same sex unions.
Can a child have three parents? If California State Senator Mark Leno has his way, children in California will be able to have three legal parents. Before we dismiss SB 1476 as another example of California Weird, we had best look into it more closely. After all, the bill has passed both houses of the California Assembly and is awaiting Governor Brown’s signature or veto.
I believe this development was inevitable, more inevitable in fact than the much-vaunted inevitability of gay marriage. Once we started trying to normalize parenting by same-sex couples and redefine marriage to remove the dual-gender requirement, we had to end up with triple-parenting.
A deeper look at the whole picture surrounding SB 1476 reveals that not only should the three-parent law fail, same-sex “marriage” should fail as well. As we will see, embedded in this bill is an appalling power-grab by the state, and a grotesque misrepresentation of the facts by the bill’s authors.
Q&A Last night.
1. Tony was right with the correction but not with the language.
2.The senator from W.A was lightweight and
3. If you don’t want to say “submit” don’t get married by Jensen.
Even although I don’t agree with him, there is no doubt that he is a good man.
There are plenty of ceremonies that don’t have that word.
Most of the debate is irrelevant if compared to Asylum seeking.
Trying to catch each other out on trivia is a waste of time.
The federal government is looking at the possibility of cutting billions in superannuation tax concessions, according to a report by the Australian Financial Review.
The cuts would help to pay for new policies in education and disability services, with the major target being capital gains tax concessions for self-managed superannuation funds.
Ross Greenwood was talking about this last night.
Shorten’s multi stage plan to pull down the competition to Union Super Funds is underway.
This is step 3 or 4 in the process of making Self Managed super funds economically out of the reach of ordinary Australians.
Oh dear, did Snow Cone Tone have another “renumeration” moment?
Somebody should take Snow Cone aside and point out that when you personality ensures you carry on like a supercilious, condescending prick it helps not to be wrong. Unfortunately this may not happen at your ALPBC.
Bob Carr being interviewed on the government broadcasting channel.
He’s saying the Malaysia Deal would go ahead except that Abbott is being obstructionist.
No mention that the Greens have never supported the Deal – it’s just all Abbott’s fault.
No question to Carr by the “reporter” about the High Court decision against the Malaysia Deal; no question about the UNHCR not supporting the Deal; no question to Carr about the Greens not supporting the Deal.
Just AbbottAbbotAbbott. I don’t know which is more despicable – Carr or the government “reporter”.
all seems a very over-hyped tactic to deflect away from Labor’s current ongoing abysmal performance.
Its a distraction.
Be patient. Mike Smith continues to chase down the documentary evidence on the actions of the AWU (remember the target is union corruption, not just the “young & naive” partner that helped up assocaiations in breach of WA legislation).
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I heard Bill Heffernon on 2GB this morning talking to Chris Smith. Will post links later. He made some important points:
1. He is pursuing the use of Thorium Energy vigorously, it was good to hear the only real alternative energy to fossil fuels be discussed.
2. NSW gov people’s committee on alternate energy requested nuclear/thorium be investigated.
3. He noted his concerns with Cubby Station – very valid concerns that the enterprise is uneconomical.
Another (more recent) Tone the Intimidator moment?:
A WOMAN who ran against Tony Abbott for the Australian Democrats in his Warringah seat at the 2007 election has accused him of invading her personal space and having ”grunted in my face”.
Georgina Johanson said yesterday the ”unsavoury” incident occurred when she was handing out how-to-vote cards at the Forestville primary school. She had been ”very taken aback” and shocked. ”He came within an inch of my nose. Then he just walked away” without saying anything. Ms Johanson, a radiographer, said she had told the Abbott story to many people in the years since.
In yesterday’s Essential Research poll, Mr Abbott’s approval fell from 36 per cent to 32 per cent, while Ms Gillard’s rose from 31 per cent to 35 per cent. She leads as better PM 40 per cent to 37 per cent.
Interesting….
The Party’s best choice as leader (Turnbull) is stymied by the party refusing to accept the Labor policy on climate change makes more economic sense than theirs. (And the large rump who are only grudgingly going along with their own policy anyway, as they don’t believe in AGW.)
Somebody should take Snow Cone aside and point out that when you personality ensures you carry on like a supercilious, condescending prick it helps not to be wrong. Unfortunately this may not happen at your ALPBC.
the ”unsavoury” incident occurred when she was handing out how-to-vote cards at the Forestville primary school. She had been ”very taken aback” and shocked. ”He came within an inch of my nose. Then he just walked away” without saying anything.
LOL another McTiernan stooge comes out of the woodwork. Talked about it for years, she has. It’s the troof, your honor. I just never went to the papers about it before because, well, just because”.
yesterday’s Essential report also has Libs at 55% and the ALP at 45%.
Finally Ian Cambridge clearly believed that the money which Thiess paid out to the “union slush fund” set up by Julia Gillard was indeed government money. His swore this paragraph in his affidavit:
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Cambridge does not append to his affidavit any further documentary evidence about the BCITF or other government source of the money.
It’s clearly relevant today given Premier Barnett’s recent statements that if public money was lost in this scandal, he’ll make it his business to get it back!
And Ms Gillard maintains that she did nothing wrong.
1. Tony was right with the correction but not with the language.
2. The senator from W.A was lightweight and
3. If you don’t want to say “submit” don’t get married by Jensen.
He was wrong with the ‘correction’ and the language.
The senator from WA was ignored because frothing-at-the-gob Christophobic loony, Tony Jones, was preoccupied with vilifying Jensen.
The vow to submit to a husband’s authority is one choice amongst a variety on offer to engaged couples.
So all wrong, Alan. Three out of three – wrong.
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And the large rump…
This is not about Gillard, Steve.
And it’s very amusing to hear you weigh on the subject, given that you have ‘joked’ about bashing Gab.
JULIA Gillard has defended taxpayer-funded information-gathering on Labor’s political opponents amid reports one of her senior staffers was running a dirt unit from her office.
The Prime Minister said she had not seen a document, allegedly distributed by her director of strategy Nick Reece, instructing ministerial staffers to gather sensitive political information on shadow ministers.
But she said scrutinising opposition MPs, including on their financial dealings, was a legitimate part of the political process.
The ABC’s AM program said the alleged Reece document was a “to do” list for gathering information on Coalition frontbenchers, including on their “younger days”, their pecuniary interests and “potential issues” such as litigation.
Nick Reece was dealt with the following day. Gillard, of course, knew nothing about it and then proceeded to defend the dirt file.
Note also, if they can’t find any “dirt”, they invent it.
CL.The trouble with opinion, yours or mine, is that it is exactly that. The secret is to think about what is said. If that senator can’t perform on a TV show how does she go in the Senate.
The vow to submit to a husband’s authority is one choice amongst a variety on offer to engaged couples.
I’m glad I’m not your wife. Or maybe you haven’t discussed it with her.
not realising that only a few percent of the population share their interest.
You’d think so, yeah?
When I was queuing at the green grocer’s last week, the conversation between the check out operator (and owner, a woman of around 40 years old)and the local electrician (a man looking to be in his mid to late 30′s)were talking quite openly about Gillard and how the AWU scandal has shown her for the untrustworthy and dodgy character she is. Given I live in a very staunch and historically safe Labor seat, I was rather astounded. Astounded they even knew about the Gillard AWU scandal, and astounded they spoke about it in public. And not in hushed tones either.
My teacher friend who is a Paul Keating fanboy and ex ALP supporter says at school, teachers, notoriously left wing as they are, openly sledge Gillard with vigour.
You would not have seen that two years ago.
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Most teachers hate the national curriculum. They know it is a vehicle for socialist inculcation of the youth.
Gillard ought to be charged with asebia and forced to drink hemlock.
Well, you’ll recall that my courier thought that Gillard was starting to “put some runs on the board”, even though he still basically hates her.
I think the current sentiment of “jeez, it would be good to get rid of Tony, but replace him with who?” was very much kicked off by the recent terrible 7.30 interview he gave.
Anyway, we’ll see.
In the meantime, I recommend Catallaxy participants start to stop up on tissues (for the tears) for the re-election of Obama in November.
The trouble with opinion, yours or mine, is that it is exactly that.
You hear this all the time now, that an opinion is neither right nor wrong; it’s just an opinion. But the claim is self-refuting. If it were so there could be no difference of opinion; but since we do have differences of opinion, and since an opinion can be contradicted or denied by another opinion the above claim is false.
“Gawd, candy, it seems the intensive counselling you would need if it were revealed that Abbott hasn’t been the perfect husband would go on for years”
oh I don’t know Steve, wouldn’t surprise me if Blair or Bolt etc shone some light on her affairs with the married men, since Marr and others are hell bent on destroying Mr Abbott’s reputation.
Fair’s fair, it’s tough in politics by looks of it.
The private-sector austerity measures will be split between individual- and corporate-tax hikes. The individual tax increases will target the rich (Mr. Hollande’s 2013 budget includes a 75 percent tax on earnings over €1 million a year), but will also hit the middle class
Orwellian BS – now ‘Austerity’ means raising taxes?
Austerity was supposed to mean cutting government spending. Now it means raising taxes?
No. Raising taxes is just raising taxes.
France is going down, down, down. They might as well just go full communist and see if they can get the SNCF to arrive on time.
The only redeeming feature left about France is it’s unwillingness to indulge in nanny-state idiocy.
Personally I don’t care too much if this happens, because the chances of the US balancing a budget and stopping Federal Government growth is pretty much nil anyway, regardless of who gets elected.
Another Obama term will serve them better in the long run. All addictions need to reach rock bottom before they can change their thinking. When the average American wakes up and realises that China could cart away the entire contents of Fort Knox and still not even knock off a 10th of the foreign debt – maybe they’ll decide another century or half-century of hard work and prudence is in order, rather than hunting around looking for people to blame and fleece.
“President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people,” Eastwood told The Pine Cone this week. “Romney and Ryan would do a much better job running the country, and that’s what everybody needs to know. I may have irritated a lot of the lefties, but I was aiming for people in the middle.”
… in a wide-ranging interview with The Pine Cone Tuesday from his home in Pebble Beach, he said he had conveyed the messages he wanted to convey, and that the spontaneous nature of his presentation was intentional, too.
“I had three points I wanted to make,” Eastwood said. “That not everybody in Hollywood is on the left, that Obama has broken a lot of the promises he made when he took office, and that the people should feel free to get rid of any politician who’s not doing a good job. But I didn’t make up my mind exactly what I was going to say until I said it.”
“It was supposed to be a contrast with all the scripted speeches, because I’m Joe Citizen,” Eastwood said. “I’m a movie maker, but I have the same feelings as the average guy out there.”
Eastwood is a liberal on social issues such as gay marriage and abortion, but he has strongly conservative opinions about the colossal national debt that has accumulated while Obama has been president, his failure to get unemployment below 6 percent, and a host of other economic issues.
“There was a stool there, and some fella kept asking me if I wanted to sit down,” Eastwood said. “When I saw the stool sitting there, it gave me the idea. I’ll just put the stool out there and I’ll talk to Mr. Obama and ask him why he didn’t keep all of the promises he made to everybody.”
He asked a stagehand to take it out to the lectern while he was being announced.
“The guy said, ‘You mean you want it at the podium?’ and I said, ‘No, just put it right there next to it.’”
The private-sector austerity measures will be split between individual- and corporate-tax hikes. The individual tax increases will target the rich (Mr. Hollande’s 2013 budget includes a 75 percent tax on earnings over €1 million a year), but will also hit the middle class
Working through the chapters on the Sun King in Rothbard’s Economic Thought Before Adam Smith at the moment.
The result of the statist Hollande’s tax policies mirror the results the statist Louis XVIV got.
LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas) – A top Hollywood director finds it acceptable for people to commit incest.
In an interview with The Wrap, director Nick Cassavetes believes no one should judge a brother and sister being with each other if they are in love.
“I’m not saying this is an absolute but in a way, if you’re not having kids – who gives a damn? Love who you want. Isn’t that what we say? Gay marriage – love who you want?” Cassavetes told The Wrap. “If it’s your brother or sister it’s super-weird, but if you look at it, you’re not hurting anybody except every single person who freaks out because you’re in love with one another.”
Tony Abbott steals puppies from the Lost Dogs Home, clubs them to death, skins them in his shed and makes his wife sew them into fluffy murdered-puppy-dog budgie-smugglers that he wears around the house and also on midnight peeping tom excursions around the neighborhood.
Also, he once ran over a dolphin with his jet-ski, then turned around and went back to it, punched it in the face, and then ran it over again for good measure. Twice. While wearing his murdered-puppy-dog budgie-smugglers, which still had murdered-puppy-dog blood on them.
f Romney carries independents by anything like that margin, the election won’t be close. The pollsters found that virtually all Democrats are voting for Obama and virtually all Republicans are voting for Romney, so someone with quicker math skills than mine can pretty quickly figure out how much they had to over-sample Democrats to come out with Obama winning by six points.
The upside is the law of unintended results.
The end result of the MSM making the poll # dodgy is that it will ensure the Republican base does not become complacent & comes out in great numbers.
Once, when his neighbor’s wife had to tread on his lawn to pickup her mis-thrown newspaper, Tony Abbott gave her the stinkeye and three weeks later all her begonias got powdery mildew and died.
Last night, Helen McCabe was defending the fairy story about Abbott being a misogynist. Mid her diatribe she said that Abbott certainly had a problem, had a problem with Labor women.
I have a problem with Labor women, and I’m tipping it’s the same issue as Abbott is alleged to have – Labor women are incompetent little brats.
You hear this all the time now, that an opinion is neither right nor wrong; it’s just an opinion. But the claim is self-refuting. If it were so there could be no difference of opinion; but since we do have differences of opinion, and since an opinion can be contradicted or denied by another opinion the above claim is false.
I’ll take that as a difference of opinion.
As for Clint and the empty chair, I saw “This Day Tonight” do it about 35 years ago. About the same time Clint had all his marbles
SfB only said Gab needed slapping around because he was temporarily afflicted by Tony Abbott’s Overt Climate of Violence Towards Women. In fact a full 75% of Australian domestic violence in the years 2007-2012 (incl) can and should be laid directly at the feet of Tony Abbott.
So I’m a dummy then ?
Is that why you won’t debate ?
It’s always the latest unicorn sighting with you, especially when the topic of Gillard/AWU/S&G dismissal slush funds for lovers comes up.
In May, Clooney held a fundraiser for Obama at his Los Angeles home that raised nearly $15 million. Clooney is scheduled to hold another fundraiser for Obama later this month in Geneva.
he once ran over a dolphin with his jet-ski, then turned around and went back to it, punched it in the face, and then ran it over again for good measure.
Dog, you’re just giving Sydney’s Greenfilth councils an excuse to ban jet-skis in their public swimming pools because they remind them of AbbottAbbottAbbott! The kiddies will be so upset.
I’ve been thinking about getting a jet-ski simply because I’ve seen how the mere existence of a noisy pleasure craft gets greenfilth types to clutch their pearls and swoon.
I actually hate the things when I’m in the water myself, but that’s a small price to pay when it comes to annoying wowsers.
Hmm, thinking of that, maybe I’ll revisit a misspent youth and fit a set of open pipes to the old bent 8.
Steve
I did watch that part of Landline you suggested and was interesting. I think you find landline relaxing because often the stories are uplifting to a point and there is no editorial which is a good thing.
Once we finish laying the det cord along the rabbit-proof fence, Western Australia is going to blast itself free from the rest of Australia and I’m bringing in my Blackwater mates from North Carolina to patrol the resultant canal. On jet-skis.
“Austerity was supposed to mean cutting government spending. Now it means raising taxes?”
‘Austerity’, as it has been used during the European crisis, has been a deficit-reduction strategy only, regardless of what happens to growth. So it has always meant spending reductions combined with tax increases – attacking the problem from both sides.
That courier mail article is by Paul Syrvet : not worth reading.
I could tell the article just by the headline.
They are whistling in the wind, the majority of QLD voters knew what they were getting. They will actually deliver a balanced budget, unlike Swan, who couldn’t balance a rubiks cube on a flat table. In the end, responsibility will win the day, because the alternative – putting debt on the never-never – is not sustainable, and anyone with half a brain knows that.
‘Austerity’, as it has been used during the European crisis, has been a deficit-reduction strategy only, regardless of what happens to growth.
More orwellian crap.
Imaginary growth from debt spending doesn’t exist. It’s just an artefact of partial reporting.
If I borrowed twice my income and spent it on entertainment for my neighbours, nobody would say I was experiencing financial ‘growth’. They’d all say I was a financial fruitcake, and a person not to be trusted.
Yet the masses, delusioned by the magicians trick of measuring ‘aggregate demand’ by GDP, fret about a fall in a meaningless figure, one that isn’t weighed down by debt. Leaving financial fraudsters to pump up a GDP figure by printing money, then award themselves prizes for changing a meaningless number.
The sooner we leave behind these bogus ‘economy’ measures, the better we’re all going to be.
Race riot organiser – who waited years to phone Nauru as hundreds died – eager to crack down on internet:
LESS than an hour before the Wests Tigers captain Robbie Farah continued his public crusade against cyber trolls yesterday, officials from his club received a phone call from the office of the Prime Minister pledging support for the NRL star…
NRL fan Nicola Roxon also strangely keen:
”The government is considering what other action, if any, can be taken to improve the law in this area. We will also discuss this matter with state and territory attorneys-general.”
Former Dapto dogs caller and all-round idiot, Ray Hadley – who was last week forced to settle out of court with Andrew Voss, after abusing him with language unlawful to broadcast – is also demanding ‘action’:
“The government has to look at some form of regulation,” he said yesterday…
“I have to be careful what I say on air – newspapers have to pay someone to moderate their websites so we don’t end up in court. Next time I want to have a go at someone, I’ll do it on Twitter, not on air. Evidently, if it’s on Twitter, no one can touch me.”
Race riot organiser – who waited years to phone Nauru as hundreds died – eager to crack down on internet:
LESS than an hour before the Wests Tigers captain Robbie Farah continued his public crusade against cyber trolls yesterday, officials from his club received a phone call from the office of the Prime Minister pledging support for the NRL star…
NRL fan Nicola Roxon also strangely keen:
”The government is considering what other action, if any, can be taken to improve the law in this area. We will also discuss this matter with state and territory attorneys-general.”
Former Dapto dogs caller and all-round idiot, Ray Hadley – who was last week forced to settle out of court with Andrew Voss, after abusing him with language unlawful to broadcast – is also demanding ‘action’:
“The government has to look at some form of regulation,” he said yesterday…
“I have to be careful what I say on air – newspapers have to pay someone to moderate their websites so we don’t end up in court. Next time I want to have a go at someone, I’ll do it on Twitter, not on air. Evidently, if it’s on Twitter, no one can touch me.”
“If I borrowed twice my income and spent it on entertainment for my neighbours, nobody would say I was experiencing financial ‘growth’.”
I don’t disagree, but you’re just highlighting the deficiency of GDP as a measure, and the folly of concentrating on it to the exclusion of the real components of economies.
European austerity has been cast as a simple mathematical exercise, ignoring their actual problems.
European austerity has been cast as a simple mathematical exercise, ignoring their actual problems.
Look, I think we’re somewhat in the same neighbourhood of agreement here. The term ‘Austerity’ is already completely overloaded to the point of being useless if everyone has a different view of what it is. My beef is that the ‘growth’ campaigners pitch themselves against the ‘austerity’ measures. But as is typical of orwellian double-speak – the ‘growth’ people are actually measuring decline, while the ‘austerity’ measures are actually supposed to fix things (but they won’t because none of them actually reverses government spending or borrowing)
It’s just part of my general frustration that the entire world is looking the wrong way at the wrong things for the wrong reasons. Everyone is sitting at the free lunch table saying ‘isn’t this grand’ – and when someone suggests that, perhaps, at the end of the lunch, a bill might have to be paid, they are hounded as a ‘free lunch denier’ or whatever derogatory term is currently in use.
The Queensland Government is only going to sack 14,000 public servants. They look on it as saving 6,000 jobs as they were going to sack 20,000.
I would like to congratulate them for being so Human in there approach.
They now admit that Labor debt is 65 billion not 100 billion as claimed by Premier Newman. So they have saved 35 billion by telling the truth.
But Labor senator Doug Cameron said the focus should be Mr Abbott’s policies, ”not what someone’s done when they were 20”. ”I’d hate to think that my 19-year-old and 20-year-old activities would get dragged up – that’s just my opinion,” Senator Cameron said.
I actually welcome this new emphasis in politics on student and youthful backgrounds. This is going to backfire spectacularly.
While on that subject, that reminds me. Tanya Plibersek is married to a convicted heroin dealer unless I’m mistaken. Does anyone know if she was in position to know about his activities when hubby was dealing? Just curious that’s all.
Can we get some interviews with Mesdames Wilson and Emersen? I’d like to know to what extent their lives and the happiness of their children were wrecked by the unsavoury conduct of a certain woman.
The Courier Mail is a curious paper within the Newscorp stable.
Brisbane is a single-paper town.
The courier mail used to be worth reading when it was a broadsheet.
Now in newscorp ‘bang ‘em out’ tabloid format it is a despicable, hopeless rag. I read it sometimes if it is lying around, and always regret opening it.
The fall of the Courier Mail follows the same trajectory of the rise of the Labor government. Somewhere along the line the key paper readers went from being producers to moochers as the southern economic refugees flowed across the border, and the paper obligingly followed suit.
The only thing that could possibly improve the Courier Mail is the addition of page 3 girls (or guys, if that’s your thing)
The rot has set in and the hounds are baying for blood as two prominent QLD unions call for tenders from polling companies to quantify Rudd’s appeal in marginal seats.
The terms of reference for the survey?
“Find out if Rudd as PM can save more QLD seats than can Gillard!”
Indications are a serious move is afoot to sack Gillard. Labor supporter, David Marr’s timeous report that Abbott may have punched a wall 35 years ago is bordering on psychotic Abbott phobia.
Albanese’s protestations of Abbott misleading Parliament over whether he read a report or not is equally unhinged. Accusations of him being a woman-hater are also stupid but this is a campaign with a sinister reason.
The ALP is desperate for dirt and has set a dangerous course for an election on the unsuitability of Abbott for PM. The ALP’s gamble could backfire as a perceived election “plus”. Gillard has a far seedier past if that’s the gamble they wish play.
But it’s a gamble only if Gillard remains as PM.
Imminent further disclosures on the Wilson/Gillard scandal will emerge well before any election date. The ALP knows this and more importantly the unions know it.
Abbott has not gone near the Gillard/Wilson scandal for good reason. He has no need to and getting down and dirty would be inviting reciprocity. Abbott’s on a winner with the Carbon Tax biting more each day. Throwing dirt loses ground… that’s a political reality.”
Tony Abbott rose to offer the condolences of the Coalition on the death of Ms Gillard’s father, which he described as a “heavy blow”.
“The Prime Minister was obviously particularly close to her father,” the Opposition Leader said. “He did work hard and he realised the Australian dream to see his children do better than he probably could have imagined.”
Mr Abbott said there could be no prouder moment for a parent than to see their child become prime minister and described Mr Gillard as a “fine Australian”.
The CM is pretty balanced on that story, but they’re preferring to focus on a loony bishop complaining that being gay is a health hazard. I suppose the problem is that brainy people no longer end up in the church.
Alan – do Scots people still eat haggis or is that an old fashioned kind of thing now and times moved on. what’s it like? no offence meant, i guess you’ve been asked that hundreds of times anyway.
As for the ‘brainy’ people, they were represented by Tony Jones – who believes the most important book in the history of Western civilisation was written in Hebrew.
Unlike Bunyip, who doesn’t have the good grace to leave snide commentary about the father’s view of Julia alone, despite having lost a parent himself recently.
It was no joke but a mealy-mouthed snide remark. Your trademark, SFB.
I don’t see anything wrong with Bunyip’s honest view on the situation. After all, a parent still loves his child despite the shameful actions of that child.
Bunyip is only reflecting on how a normal parent would feel about hearing that stuff about their kid that’s recently come out about the Lying slapper.
Do you have a daughter?
How would you feel if in the future her (hypothetically) seedy life came out, such as breaking marriages apart for hook up sessions with thugs even before hook ups were invented, assisting slime buckets like Wilson embezzle funds. I know how I would feel.
It’s not a good way to enter to the after life. I mention the after life because of your conservative Catholic leanings, Step.
Tom, things are coming back together and I hope to be tickling the plastic soonish. Indeed, I’m weighing an invitation to contribute the odd thought to well known website.
Especially since Gillard senior was a coal-miner trade unionist. The thought of a fraudster scumbag running around using the union as his own personal slush fund and scam base, aided and abetted by his own daughter – well, that would weigh heavily on most men. Hooking up with a liar, con-man, adulterer and all-round lowlife. Not a choice most people would make for their children.
Certain forms of promiscuous sex might be health hazards, but those are not compulsory for gays. I said he was a dill because you’d think even a bishop would know the difference between being gay and having unprotected anal sex with somebody you can’t trust on STDs.
Nah, that was a shitty thing to say bunyip, the poor bloke’s dead and you’re ragging on how he would have thought about his daughter. Poor taste. Down-right alp-ish, even. There’s plenty to laugh at without that rubbish.
Dover, do you think Jensen said something stupid or profound?
Breaking news – Following on from the attempt to break the record for the most claims of Nazi/Racists in Charlotte, SC last week, Lefties in the US can now explain how your choice of lunch may prove you are WWWAAAACCCIIISTTT!!!
The Portland Tribune, in an article titled “Schools beat the drum for equity,” reports (hard to keep a straight face typing that) on the “subtle language of racism” discovered by principal Verenice Gutierrez every day. Every. Day!
Take the peanut butter sandwich, a seemingly innocent example a teacher used in a lesson last school year.
“What about Somali or Hispanic students, who might not eat sandwiches?” says Gutierrez, principal at Harvey Scott K-8 School, a diverse school of 500 students in Northeast Portland’s Cully neighborhood.
You know that striking teachers in Obama’s home town, they only seem to be good at looking after themselves at the expense of the children they are entrusted with:
Chicago public school teachers went on strike on Monday and one of the major issues behind the strike is a new system Chicago plans to use for evaluating public school teachers in which student improvement on standardized tests will count for 40 percent of a teacher’s evaluation. Until now, the evaluations of Chicago public school teachers have been based on what a Chicago Sun Times editorial called a “meaningless checklist.”
Certain forms of promiscuous sex might be health hazards, but those are not compulsory for gays. I said he was a dill because you’d think even a bishop would know the difference between being gay and having unprotected anal sex with somebody you can’t trust on STDs.
Except, these “forms” do not need to be compulsory, they just need to be typical. We typically do not make these sorts of qualifications when we describe B as a health hazard. We simply say that on average if you fall under the category B, given the activities typical for B, that you are more likely to contract X, Y, and/or Z, then A.
Dover, do you think Jensen said something stupid or profound?
I missed that part of the show so I cannot say. He certainly seemed the most profound participant on that panel given what I saw.
I’m interested by the talk of Gillard’s involvemernt in the Goldfields Accident and Death Fund.
Gillard’s boyfriend Bruce Wilson had travelled to Boulder in 1992 to transfer the management of union members’ monies in The Goldfields Fatal Accident and Death Fund to a new AWU account in Northbridge, Perth. The approximate one million dollars in the fund was money donated by union members themselves and was to be used to financially assist bereaved families of deceased union members.
The union members – aware of Wilson’s alleged fraudulent activities, were not happy campers about the transfer, and demanded a meeting, which was set for 8pm in the Boulder Town Hall.
Who did conman Wilson bring to the town hall to help him get his hands on unionists’ hard-earned money? Why, it was none other than the Liar herself. Those trusting Boulder unionists didn’t know she was his girlfriend, who the previous year had set up accounts for him under The Workplace Reform Association into which he was stuffing hundreds of thousands of dollars defrauded from businesses and the Victorian AWU.
Last week on Q&A, Tony Burke stated he could do nothing to ban the super-trawler.
This week, with a bit of jiggery-pokery and black magic, the super-trawler has been banned from fishing in Australian waters.
When they put their little Borg mind to it, there’s no legislation they cannot conjure up.
Don’t these guys like eating seafood? they don’t like the cattle industry either. Seems that Burke and Wong also hate dairy, rice, fruit and sheep & wheat.
The Greens seem to shut down fishing everywhere else.
When there is no more primary industry left, you’ll find out that you cannot eat stimulus packages…
Joan MacNaughton, a former top UK civil servant and vice chair of the high level panel, told the Guardian: “The carbon market is profoundly weak, and the CDM has essentially collapsed. It’s extremely worrying that governments are not taking this seriously.”
I sense a plea for money coming along…
and here it is…
Governments have a last chance to restore confidence in the system when they meet in Qatar this December to discuss climate change.
Only x months/years (delete as applicable) to save the planet. Where have we heard this ‘ol scam before?
All of this has combined to bring about a collapse in the price of UN credits, from highs topping $20 (£12.50) before the financial crisis to less than $3 each today. At such rates, many potential projects are not commercially viable. Financiers and project developers have abandoned the market in droves.
Ah, the sweet, sweet sound of synthetic market collapse.
Governments invent a synthetic market where they create both the demand and the supply, and then manipulate it to close industries. When industries close, the market collapses, and then they run around trying to work out why nobody will touch the market.
Why are we still talking about central planning in 2012? This stuff was comprehensively debunked 50 years ago.
Some X do Y, Y is dangerous, therefore being X is dangerous. Okey dokey
This is correct, if you’re talking statistically dangerous.
Some Teenagers drive cars fast and crash. Crashing is dangerous. Therefore being a teenager with a car is dangerous.
It is not a abuse of logic to say that, if you see a teenager with a car, get out of the way. Not all teenagers drive cars fast, and not all who drive cars fast crash. But enough do to make it dangerous.
Of course there are exceptions, but generally the rule holds true.
They are all stuck in their home countries wishing they had basic amenities like fresh water and sewerage so they didn’t have to emigrate to some far off land away from their ancestors and broader family. Oh, and they don’t give a toss about climate change.
@dan – not my argument. Just clarifying the logic of sayings a statement like that.
If a lot of smokers get lung cancer, then it’s fair to say that being a smoker means you’re at higher risk of lung cancer. This might not be true at the individual level, but it’s true for the group.
Pedro seemed to indicate that the logic was suspect. That’s what I’m responding to. I definitively do not want to get involved in the ‘fudge packing’ (h/t nanu) argument.
I see the fallout from Jensen’s tour de force triumph last night – which included a memorable humiliation of Tony Jones – is hitting the fag hag lobby hard today.
That’s good.
Because his point stands, as does Wallace’s – unchallenged and irrefutable.
Homosexuality is a health hazard.
There is no such thing as a ‘safe’ number of anal sex encounters. It is very much comparable to smoking in that sense.
Incidentally, Jensen has degrees – up to and including a coveted D. Phil – from Sydney University, the University of London and Oxford University.
In the other corner – speaking for Pedro and wacko anti-depressive campaigner Monty – Catherine Deveny.
lan – do Scots people still eat haggis or is that an old fashioned kind of thing now and times moved on. what’s it like? no offence meant, i guess you’ve been asked that hundreds of times anyway.
Candy. I have a Tartan, I have never eaten Haggis, I have drunk Scotch.
You are the only person that has ever asked me.
There are lots of native Scots and ex-pats that consume all those things on a regular basis. Haggis can be bought in Sydney
Treasurer Wayne Swan has turned from smearing and misrepresenting miners to joining journalists of the Left in framing Tony Abbott as a violent sexist.
In Parliament today he claimed Tony Abbott “is a thug”.
This politics of personal destruction if unleashed by the Liberals would be denounced by every press gallery heavy. This one is instead abetted by most.
The Goverrnment has utterly debased the quality of public debate. That is, when it’s not trying to suppress it.
Reading between the lines in Judith’s article today, you can see why Heather Sell-Out was happy to be the part of the Potemkin village of business leaders for Rudd & Gillard:
A good example of this was the application made by AMP for inclusion as a default fund in the Professional Employees Award. The application was opposed by both the Australian Industry Group and the Association of Professional Engineers, Scientists and Managers Australia.
Fair Work Australia dismissed the application because AMP did not have standing, although the tribunal could have used its discretion to vary the award.
With that type of attitude there is no surprises why she was keen to shaft the members of the AIG.
You can bet Heather and her “peers” in the executive of AIG will be vocal in opposing member interests and blocking the regulation of Industry Super Funds.
I am not happy to be a pessimist about this, but the Left Never Sleeps. They have a religious devotion to politics, and to control, and we on the right have to take time off from our day jobs to have an amateur stab at politics just fend them off from the latest outrage. They plot and plan, we react. We want to be left alone, they want to control us. We do not need them, but they are dependent on us for their livelihoods. They cannot allow us to be free because they need us to pay for their visions of grandeur. They continually advance, and we continually retreat.
I have never seen the Left/Right dichotomy explained so concisely. I don’t mind saying that it scares the beejesus out of me.
H/T Jannie
Treasurer Wayne Swan has turned from smearing and misrepresenting miners to joining journalists of the Left in framing Tony Abbott as a violent sexist.
In Parliament today he claimed Tony Abbott “is a thug”.
This politics of personal destruction if unleashed by the Liberals would be denounced by every press gallery heavy. This one is instead abetted by most.
The Goverrnment has utterly debased the quality of public debate. That is, when it’s not trying to suppress it.
UPDATE
It’s a deliberate campaign.
Now Swan complains of “aggessive questions”.
Surely this weeks ratcheting up of the howling and shit flinging signals that something is coming very soon.
I don’t mind saying that it scares the beejesus out of me.
Chunkwart telling the kids scary stories around the campfire: “Then, despite the warning, he looked behind him. And there, standing in the doorway, the red haired politician said ‘we should raise more revenue from the rich to ensure a fairer society”!
Chris Kenny spats the cave to ShutUp! & GruenReich Peace:
The decision to ban the so-called super trawler from fishing in Australian waters shows the Gillard Government doesn’t learn from its mistakes.
One minute a fishing company is allocated a quote to take a certain tonnage of fish and arranges to have a large trawler come here to fill it. Next, the deal is off.
Then politics got involved. Pressure groups Greenpeace and GetUp! decided they would make an issue of this fishing vessel. A social media campaign, advertisements and media stunts ensued. There is, of course, nothing wrong with that – they have every right to express their views.
But unless the activists could come up with some new facts or information to change the government’s mind, they should have been resisted. Their claims about off-target kills, after all, remain simply claims. And monitoring was going to be in place to ensure the fishing was conducted appropriately.
Yet, once again, the government was intimidated by the emotive media campaign – magnified in the digital age by social media. So – just as it did in response to a media campaign against the live cattle trade to Indonesia last year – the Gillard Government has been reactive, jumping in response to Twitter and the 24-hour news cycle. In a knee-jerk response it has now completed another policy backflip and banned the ship from fishing for two years while more research is carried out.
The government has overruled itself because it couldn’t withstand a couple of weeks’ pressure from Greenpeace, GetUp! and the Greens. Paradoxically this comes just as Labor has been trying to tell voters that the Greens are out of touch and it won’t tolerate being pushed around by them. All evidence to the contrary.
Over at Democratic Undergound, one of the Democrats “grass roots” activist sites a thread exists where old washed up 60′s feminists and losers are lamenting the fact that their good for nothing sons and daughters are rejecting their wise activist parental teachings vis-a-vis politics and becoming well adjusted republicans.
I have never seen the Left/Right dichotomy explained so concisely. I don’t mind saying that it scares the beejesus out of me.
Huck, why do you think the Left hates Free Speech and needs to muzzle blogs & talk back radio?
The Tea Party (and the Carbon Tax protesters) scares them even more as it is a ligitimate popular revolts of the middle and lower classes whereby these people wish to set the agenday instead of being responsive to the lefty reactionaries who plunder the ever-expanding public purse while they distract attention with the latest scare/tirade.
Over at Democratic Undergound, one of the Democrats “grass roots” activist sites a thread exists where old washed up 60′s feminists and losers are lamenting the fact that their good for nothing sons and daughters are rejecting their wise activist parental teachings vis-a-vis politics and becoming well adjusted republicans.
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We have friends (our kids went to school together)….. The couple are life long Westside Demolitionists. Westside Demolitionists make Fitzroy leftwingers look right wing. Typically they’re lefties and hypocritical as one spouse worked on the tobacco case in the 90′s in support of the big bad tobacco firms.
Anyways their kid was my son’s good friend all through school and he became a Republican in high school. He even supported gun ownership we were told! He’s a lawyer now living in Alaska and living the Republican life.
Chris Kenny should get all the credit, I’m happy to be the cypher.
As the Stenographers are carefully coordinating with Lie-Bore in the sleazy Abbott, Abbott, Abbott distraction Mark CCLXXXIV the Gaffe Machine that is the Red Yabbi is once again trying to get away with an amazing cave.
Good point, dover_beach. The safest form of sex is one-partner monogamy (as opposed to serial monogamy). This is codified in the social institution of marriage.
In the interests of homosexual health, you will now advocate that gays be allowed to marry, right?
“Yeah, that must be why we’ve outbread every other denomination.”
That’s because you’re also uptight about contraception.
“Candy. I have a Tartan, I have never eaten Haggis, I have drunk Scotch.
You are the only person that has ever asked me.”
okay, well I don’t think i’m up for haggis either! I do like the look of tartan fabric products but, such cheerful warm colours for throwover rugs and cushions and stuff, just speaking of Scottish style of things.
I’d ask you the colour and style of your Tartan, but it might all be a bit trite for the open forum people! hope it’s blue/green but.
We have friends (our kids went to school together)….. The couple are life long Westside Demolitionists. Westside Demolitionists make Fitzroy leftwingers look right wing. Typically they’re lefties and hypocritical as one spouse worked on the tobacco case in the 90′s in support of the big bad tobacco firms.
Shortly leftism to young people will be what straight “square” conservatism was to the rebel youth in 1960.
Wide eyed libertarianism is making nice inroads into youth culture, soon it will the on campus rebel cause du-jour.
Leftists will be the establishment trying to ban it and denouncing it in the name of “immorality” and “civility”…oh look that’s already happening.
“As the Stenographers are carefully coordinating with Lie-Bore in the sleazy Abbott, Abbott, Abbott distraction Mark CCLXXXIV the Gaffe Machine that is the Red Yabbi is once again trying to get away with an amazing cave.”
Chunkwart telling the kids scary stories around the campfire: “Then, despite the warning, he looked behind him. And there, standing in the doorway, the red haired politician said ‘we should raise more revenue from the rich to ensure a fairer society”!
Steve you indolent, emasculated, oxygen and pixel thief.
Remind me again how a self confessed “conservative” would not find socialist wealth redistribution policy such as you have described, abhorrent?
What, you can’t? That is because you are a liar.
You do not have a conservative bone in your body. If you had been smart enough to get into uni, you would have been a member of the on campus Socialist Forum.
If you were motivated enough to be employed, you would have been the shop steward.
Unfortunately, you are neither smart nor motivated and as a consequence you spend your days here annoying the crap out of people.
Fuck off and stop lying.
If you were not such a despicable fucking liar, you may get a little respect on this site.
“Ronald Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s diaries, told NPR. “He knew that it was necessary at times. And so there’s a false mythology out there about Reagan as this conservative president who came in and just cut taxes and trimmed federal spending in a dramatic way. It didn’t happen that way. It’s false.”
It’s important to note that Reagan’s tax increases did not wipe out the effects of that initial tax cut. But they did eat up about half of it. And as Peter Beinart points out, the 1983 payroll tax hike went to pay for Social Security and Medicare. (“Reagan raised taxes to pay for government-run health care,” Beinart writes.) Reagan also raised the gas tax and signed the largest corporate tax increase in history, an act Joshua Green writes would be “utterly unimaginable for any conservative to support today.”
Reagan was not happy about raising taxes or expanding government, and we certainly shouldn’t forget that he had to work within the constraints placed upon him by a non-compliant Congress. But that doesn’t change the fact that Reagan both increased spending and, after the initial cut, showed a willingness to raise taxes – exactly the sort of policy prescriptions so widely condemned by today’s Reagan-reverent conservatives.
Increasing taxes, when appropriate, does not make one a socialist.
Reagan also raised the gas tax and signed the largest corporate tax increase in history, an act Joshua Green writes would be “utterly unimaginable for any conservative to support today.”
Yes. He had to fight to the Soviet Union and force it to surrender and collapse.
He should have cut waste, held taxes stable at worst and reformed US trade, occupational licensing and monetary policy more.
Paradoxically this comes just as Labor has been trying to tell voters that the Greens are out of touch and it won’t tolerate being pushed around by them. All evidence to the contrary.
On the super trawler – blind freddy could tell that fishing already had quotas and limits. So one trawler going out for a long time would catch exactly the same amount of fish as 10 or more smaller trawlers.
What the green idiots failed to absorb was that one larger ship doing the fishing was always going to be more efficient than a set of smaller ships. As is usual for them – there will now be more, smaller ships burning diesel and running over turtles and dolphins rather than one larger, more efficient ship. The exact same number of fish will be caught, either way.
The only outcome will be worse environmentally, plus a further dropping of confidence in the Australian government, and yet more evidence how the green tail wags the Labor dog.
Good point, dover_beach. The safest form of sex is one-partner monogamy (as opposed to serial monogamy). This is codified in the social institution of marriage.
You mean, codified, as is “between a man and a woman”?
In the interests of homosexual health, you will now advocate that gays be allowed to marry, right?
Except, they don’t, as a rule, want or practice monogamy. They want polyamory; from ‘monogamish’, at best to promiscuity at worst.
So JC, are you still holding out any hope for R-Money? Obama’s convention bounce was bigger than Mitt’s. Silver pegs Obama as four to one on favourite, up from three to one on. What changes the game from here on in?
SfB, why keep arguing the point?
You are as close to being a conservative as Julia is to being honest (or moral).
Why the charade?
Just come out loud and proud and declare yourself, ” Hi, my name is Steve and I am a socialist”
You will feel much better about yourself and I am sure that you will not receive anywhere near as much vitriol on this site as you have in the past.
I think that people will have at least a smidgen of respect for someone that declares their position and then argues a case for that position.
Rightly, people have no respect for an inveterate liar who prances around here wearing the cloak of conservatism as a disguise.
BTW, how is the working with children check going?
Clearly you know sweet FA about POTUS elections, it all starts after the conventions with the debates. Current projections have the election as a 50/50 split. I expect no more than 10 electorial college votes will be the the difference if Obama holds but if things continue to go Romney’s way expect a 30 vote margin.
mOnty, how do you suggest we celebrate the Obama win in November? If we can both get to Sydney, I think Sussex Street will spring for a tofu and vegetarian feast in Chinatown, followed by an evening at that new play “The Anal Monologues”.
We all know what comes in dead last (‘there will be no…’)
But what comes in second last, less popular than the NBN – why, it’s removing Workchoices!
But…but…The unions told us that nobody likes Workchoices? Why is it, then, that the percentage of voters that supports the Labor party is higher than the number of people that supported the removal of Workchoices?
The bias of Essential media is on display with the questions – like ‘implementing the gonski report’ – as if announcing some never-never spending in 10 years amounts to a policy.
And this one ‘Expanding dental health services for people on low incomes’ – 78% support! Why not ask them if they hate murdering kittens – I’m sure you can get nearly 99% support on that one. I’d like to see the response to ‘increasing your tax paid by $1000/yr to supply dental health services’ – now that would be an interesting response.
If that’s the standard, then Abbott should announce a new 2-pack kitchen for every house between 2035 and 2040. I mean, if we’re going to judge uncosted, non-detailed air-fairy announcements….
Guys, smartarse p_edo “jokes” just show what offensive idiots the joke teller is. I have a couple of kids and tire of your repetitive stupidity. Grow up.
Nah Blog, it ‘aint the case.
I have just been trying to make the point that Steve shows signs of being a bit of a sexual n’er do-well in addition to his open misogyny. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if there were impediments to him being able to apply for said check.
I have asked him on many occasions if he has such issues, but he has never answered.
Once again Muttly, your insight engulfs all others. Clearly Morris is a fruit loop and you are an unappreciated genius with a global reach, plus in this case, armed with a superior understanding of US political machinations.
It would be a social service (or almost a branch of justice) if you craft an all encompassing OP based on your superior knowledge of diet, fitness and being an internet CEO. Will ya?
mOnty, how do you suggest we celebrate the Obama win in November? If we can both get to Sydney, I think Sussex Street will spring for a tofu and vegetarian feast in Chinatown, followed by an evening at that new play “The Anal Monologues”.
I say we burn down St Andrew’s, followed by a tour of brothels on the good ole HSU credit card.
It would be a social service (or almost a branch of justice) if you craft an all encompassing OP based on your superior knowledge of diet, fitness and being an internet CEO. Will ya?
If we can both get to Sydney, I think Sussex Street will spring for a tofu and vegetarian feast in Chinatown, followed by an evening at that new play “The Anal Monologues”.
Sorry, but if the two of you are performing won’t it be the “The Anal Dialogue”.
Steve, you don’t need to be a ped0 to be denied a working with children card.
Registered sex offenders are not able to apply. To be a registered sex offender does not require one to have diddled kiddies.
You have on many, many occasions exhibited rank sexual perversion along with rampant misogyny. When this is wrapped up with you declaring that you want to smack around one of the female contributors to this site, there are conclusions to be drawn about your character.
No-one is intimating that you are a ped0, and believe me, if I had an inkling that you were I would be straight to the cops about it.
I don’t make jokes about that shit, unlike your leftist heroes as Gab has already pointed out.
Hey Chunkwart, here’s the thing: if you’re arguing politics, as most of the arguments here are about, you don’t have to attack someone you disagree with by saying “by the way, I think you’re a sex offender of some kind”.
Radical idea for you, I know, reeking as it would of a glimmer of maturity.
According to the Queensland Treasurer the debt that Labor left was $63.7 billion.
That’s $1.3 billion less than this morning.
Is this the only accounting error or is there more to come?
That so-called error in 1.5% of the total, you dickhead. Get it into perspective. They also left that debt in a 150 year terms of trade boom which in itself is astonishing. Now fuck off.
Fuck off Steve.
I will stop questioning your proclivities when you are able to engage in debate without continually resorting to crass sexual language and imagery, misogynistic diatribes and threats to assault the women who frequent the site.
As for engaging in political argument, maybe you should try it.
Generally, arguments require the participants to have their own views. You have repeatedly shown that you are incapable of forming your own views, instead relying on providing stupid links to irrelevant leftist websites as if that somehow makes your case.
Keep your mind out of the gutter, your hands off the women and take your trolling to somewhere where it is welcome.
Don’t get too worked up about the latest polling,” Neil Newhouse wrote in a memo that the Romney campaign circulated Monday, “While some voters will feel a bit of a sugar-high from the conventions, the basic structure of the race has not changed significantly. The reality of the Obama economy will reassert itself as the ultimate downfall of the Obama Presidency, and Mitt Romney will win this race.”
Well, you might very understandably suppose, the Romney pollster would say that. Yet Newhouse continues to make a number of arresting, and encouraging, points. To wit:
All signs point to a tight race. Those watching the daily tracking polls know that, while the President has seen a bounce from his convention, his approval has already begun to slip, indicating it is likely to recede further. In eight states, Pollster.com’s reporting of the most recent statewide polls puts the margin between the two candidates at less than three points, virtually guaranteeing a tight race.
Next, the battlefield has actually expanded, not contracted. Note that Wisconsin is now in play and our campaign is now up with ads in that state, while the latest poll numbers from the Albuquerque Journal in New Mexico show the race closing there. And this tightening is not an anomaly. Consider the traditional Democratic strongholds of New Jersey and Connecticut, won by President Obama in 2008 by margins of 15 points and 22 points, respectively. In both states, Pollster.com’s reporting of the most recent statewide polls puts Obama’s lead at only seven points in each of these states.
In North Carolina, fresh off of hosting the Democratic National Convention, the Obama campaign is laying the groundwork for a stealth withdrawal. In a state the President won by a mere 14,000 votes in 2008, all one has to do is look at the Obama campaign’s television buy in the state to understand how they view their chances there. The Obama campaign’s North Carolina television buy has dropped 35% compared to June, and they have run more than twice as much advertising over the past two weeks in Rochester, Minnesota (hitting a small slice of Iowa), than they have in any North Carolina market.
Romney gaining in New Mexico while Obama retreats from North Carolina. Very, very good news.
It’s very tight. This isn’t really a great position for an incumbent to be in. But I still go with the polls and Intrade favoring the Kenyan. I have no edge to make a prediction based on the tightness as it stands now.
If the pollster is right about the fact that the battlegrounds have expanded rather than contracted then it’s a problem for the Kenyan.
I think that analysis is pretty good JC. We’ll have a better idea in 3-4 weeks but with the swing states moving away from Obama the electorial map could look like 2004 except for New Mexico which I think Obama will hold.
That so-called error in 1.5% of the total, you dickhead. Get it into perspective. They also left that debt in a 150 year terms of trade boom which in itself is astonishing. Now fuck off.
Thirteen Thousand million is a fair chunk of cash.
Thirteen Thousand million is a fair chunk of cash.
It’s not thirteen thousand million, you fucking innumerate. It’s thirteen hundred million. … 1.3 billion
Here:
13,000 x 1,000,000 = 13 billion
1300 X 1,000,000 = 1.3 billion
Is being an fucking innumerate a dead set requirement to be leftwing?
$1.3 billion is a lot of money, however measured against the debt the Liars party left the state it’s a rounding error, you dim bulb. As I said.. astonishing.
Just some random troll. I probably banned him from my site and he developed a grudge.
Monst, who is Ausbone.
A former employer of mine. I worked there for eight months trying to sign new partners for an ISP peering co-operative – long story short, it was a network set up by mid-sized ISPs to route around Telstra to avoid longhaul costs. I had some success, but not enough. I’m not a born salesman. Then the dot com bust came, and everyone in the industry without equity lost their jobs, pretty much. End of story.
The hosts are fucking up royally. I’m working on it.
1100 comments and the Cat is lightning fast, the personal info remains stored, the recent comments shortcuts work, liberty quotes rotating.
Ya dun good.
So the NYT is an unreliable leftist rag shilling for Democrats that can’t be trusted to do more than spell its transparently partisan articles correctly… unless you want to link to it. LOL
Also, it seems you didn’t read the whole thing:
Open relationships are not exclusively a gay domain, of course.
No surprise, considering estimates for heterosexual marriage infidelity (that is illicit affairs rather than open relationships) range from 30% to 60%.
All those married gays don’t want or practise monogamy?
No, not all, just most. See CL’s link above.
Codification varies between cultures and eras.
Oh, so when you said “The safest form of sex is one-partner monogamy (as opposed to serial monogamy)” you meant this only in terms of being true in certain “cultures and eras”.
I really don’t understand your game here, Jarrah. If certain features of marriage are not found across all cultures and eras we could never know we were discussing the same institution. If this is true, those features (exclusivity; life-long; a man and a woman ) and their purpose are essential, not conventional.
cannot help but feel sorry for them if you have anything to do with establishing their moral compass. Don’t act like a sleazebucket in a trenchcoat and you won’t cop the shit. Boxhead
Open relationships are not exclusively a gay domain, of course.
No. The argument never depended on open relationships being “exclusively a gay domain”. The argument was that gay ‘marriage’ had very little to do with monogamy. Thus, the reference to the article, which also sought to problematise the requirement of exclusivity in the very definition of marriage.
Tiny Dancer you are indeed a compassionate and generous person, and given that your advice will most probably be ridiculed by the very scum you endeavour to help, please don’t change.
I doff my hate to you sir?madam.
Tiny malevolent dancer: you’re one of the bellicose morons who doesn’t understand my sense of humour or my social conservatism, and have made this blog a mere imitation of the more enjoyable place it used to be. You would not be missed if you took your ludicrous vendetta against me elsewhere.
If so, can anyone say when election would be called? Would Rudd want time to bed in or would they rush to polls on the glow of salvation?
Anyone trying to understand the ins and outs of an early election should read Antony Greens latest blog (go find it!).
In a nutshell, he says the coalition doesn’t want an early election now, because it wouldn’t be a half-term senate election, just a lower house election. Which means they would be hamstrung with exactly the same senate makeup as now, and would be forced to either call a senate-only election (bad for sitting governments, historically) or would have to try and trigger a double-dissolution and have another election shortly afterwards.
With the greens vote dropping and the ALP vote not recovering, best case scenario for the coalition right now is for Gillard to limp on and call an election in the first half of next year, after the minimum period for the half senate election.
Best move for Rudd is to knife Gillard, and call an early election before then. He probably loses, but it will be closer, and he won’t lose the senate.
So Rudd is agitating for another spill, and the Gillard camp is going to hang on for grim death and hope something comes their way.
Section 13 of the Constuitution means that any election held before 3 August 2013 would be for the House of Representatives and the four Territory Senators. There cannot be a half-Senate election for state Senators before August 2013, and even then, the new Senators elected would not take their seats until 1 July 2014.
So we need to run until August to clean out the greenfilth, or go early now and get the carbon tax withdrawal legislation blocked twice to call a double dissolution, which they would have to get onto pronto, or be forced to a half-senate election by May 2014 (which Green says is what Gough was visiting the GG for when he got boned).
So it’s either general election late 2012 leading to possible double dissolution in 2013, or election in August 2013, which I don’t think Swanny will want as too many figures will be released.
Expect all this to be part of the Rudd master plan.
The Goose can’t wait until the MYEFO numbers are out. He and Gillard will be laughed out of town when they try and con the love media into reporting a 2012-13 surplus.
Thanks brc, so Rudd if he gets the nod would go this year, Juliar if she hangs on would go next year (Bolt is tipping February) OR she will run the distance.
Antony Green from your link
The strongest pre-text for an early election would be a change of Labor leader, perhaps a resignation from Parliament, or perhaps a defeat on the floor of the House. All three would normally produce cries from the Opposition for an early election, which is what the Government would need to do what I suggest. However, as I explained, this might be the point in the electoral cycle where demanding an early election is not in the Coalition’s best interest.
I have seen comments elsewhere that Juliar is releasing policy now that should have been saved for an election to stave the Rudd challenge off, so she is fighting. But how long can she last without the support of the Unions? I guess we get to see how she fights when cornered.
So the NYT is an unreliable leftist rag shilling for Democrats that can’t be trusted to do more than spell its transparently partisan articles correctly… unless you want to link to it. LOL
Lame fend-off to another beclowning.
It is precisely because the New York Times is a leftist rag shilling for Democrats that an article acknowledging the laughable fantasy of gay ‘marital’ monogamy has a more than unusual authority.
Nixon, China and all that.
Try again.
And while you’re at it, explain to us why a man can’t marry a beagle if it’s what he really wants.
Far be it from me to defend mOnty but if having a failed business venture is a sin then then we have lost our bearings. We need risk takers and risk will inevitably involve some failure.
Is this leak disguising the real intent? Or is it to fend off Rudd again, wrong foot him? So she can say to the knifers look, I’m working on an early election, OK?
OR is it to put Abbott under pressure in the hope the coalition will fumble as time goes on? Probably all of the above?
Here is a little quote I found quite interesting, talking about the results of the plain packaging legislation. Draw your own conclusion.
Tobacco manufacturers who produced the branded stock can lodge claims with the ATO for refunds of duty paid, once the tobacco is destroyed.
The ATO will supervise the destruction of the tobacco.
Between October and December 2012, there will be up to 100 cubic metres a day being destroyed, which means squelched and squashed and graded into landfill. For smokers it will be approximately 540 million cigarettes destroyed as each stick is individually branded. So the ATO will have staff in most destruction sites, in safety boots and high visibility vests. It reminds us of the range of activities we have administered for Australia.
IT but surely we get a pass on criticising the efforts of one when they spend their waking hours trying to destroy the very system they live from?
I don’t know. It seems wrong to allow lefties to try and run a business. Unless it is a very good business immune to bad management, it’s destined for the tip. Or they are just faux lefties. Either way, the two ideas are incompatible (entrepreneurship and a left outlook).
Corpratism must be derided and capitalism must be defended Infidel.
I dont know how you can make the connect between giving entrepreneurial abilities to the most (and that includes SMEs in the larger pyramid) than allowing it to accrue to to the few (at the top pushing down the netrepeneurial abilities of those below working their way up the food chain).
Yes capitalism must be defended but Im not sure you have a grip on the fact that we now are starting to live under corporatism ie control by the few…and this doesnt sit well with either liberty or opportunity.
“. It seems wrong to allow lefties to try and run a business”
This from a defender of the market and capitalism (and freedom and liberty?)
There is a cure for that. You should know it you spiteful creature. Make all “lefties” who run businesses, give up all their possessions to the anti lefty police and wear an L affixed to their clothing and send them off to concentration camps.
Make all “lefties” who run businesses, give up all their possessions to the anti lefty police and wear an L affixed to their clothing and send them off to concentration camps.
Not first.
What’s going on with the site? It’s still busted in bits.
kae
8 Sep 12 at 12:08 am
Sorry – very annoying.
Sinclair Davidson
8 Sep 12 at 12:14 am
This blog needs some serious tender loving care.
JC
8 Sep 12 at 12:14 am
The RHS quick links to comments and threads are all missing- not such a massive loss if it speeds the site loading but it’s still very sluggish. I take it that it’s a clever plan to teach us all patience…
Cold-Hands
8 Sep 12 at 12:19 am
Poor Jacques. This must be sending him round the bend.
Jarrah
8 Sep 12 at 12:27 am
The hosts are fucking up royally. I’m working on it.
Jacques Chester
8 Sep 12 at 12:28 am
That’s true. The Total Troll Overload on the last Open Forum has clearly clogged up the works. Needs a good service to clear the piles of troll droppings in the pipework.
Megan
8 Sep 12 at 12:28 am
Lol Yea Megan
getting rid of the leftie trolls would certainly operationally improve the blog.
JC
8 Sep 12 at 12:32 am
Signs of the electorate’s growing sanity: Christian Kerr discusses the rise and fall of the Greens in the Weekend Oz ($). Since early June, with a fall of 6%, the Greens have lost almost 900,000 votes, leading to a potential loss of more than $2 million in Electoral funding for the Greens.
And more good news:
I can’t wait.
The last word?
Yes!
Cold-Hands
8 Sep 12 at 12:32 am
OMG
I was first!
Amazing.
Lots of annoying things happening with the blog.
Did you get the freakin’ Qld ALP Health pay mob to do the job?
(I know that it’s probably driving you guys mad, too, Sinc. More mad!)
kae
8 Sep 12 at 12:33 am
Thank you, Jacques.
Gab
8 Sep 12 at 12:33 am
Sometimes you can’t go back to old threads, without the latest comment, the back load button does nothing.
Just sayin’.
kae
8 Sep 12 at 12:35 am
“The hosts are fucking up royally.”
Keep at it, Jacques. I’ve never known an industry so full of bullshit artists, conmen and incompetents who can’t deliver on their promises.
Tom
8 Sep 12 at 11:19 am
Just a reminder that the Local Elections are on today.
Have fun and remember your values.
alan
8 Sep 12 at 11:25 am
Yeah, that was sucky timing… Hadn’t been on the site much lately, and when I returned for my “fix” last night, it wasn’t available.
Fleeced
8 Sep 12 at 11:30 am
NSW Liberals are lost, as are the ACT Liberals. The Federal Liberals are barely hanging on to any ideological credibility. At least QLD LNP are doing what needs to be done. O’Farrell is insulting our intelligence with his idiotic Green pledges.
John Comnenus
8 Sep 12 at 11:30 am
Local elections… So useless. Local councils are the worst of the worst – we should do away with them.
Fleeced
8 Sep 12 at 11:32 am
“the party could be plunged into division and acrimony.”
I don’t think there’ll be any could about it.
Those hard, pipe hittin’ marxists will purge any genuine good, green earth sorts faster than you can say “I miss the formatting thingies”.
lotocoti
8 Sep 12 at 11:36 am
Industry full of bullshit artists, con men and incompetents..dead right two months and still no email on iPhone. Apple, Telstra and own IT consultant are still busy trying to apportion blame. Nothing left to do but laugh at them , swear at them and tell them that they are incompetent.
Pickles
8 Sep 12 at 11:42 am
Team Obama on universally panned speech:
Focus groups told us they wanted a speech that was flat, repetitive, and disappointing.
Yes, they’re really saying they meant it to be crap.
Ace LOLs:
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/332660.php
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 11:43 am
Actual quote…
Paul Krugman on the latest disastrous employment figures in the US:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/07/no-news-on-jobs/
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 11:45 am
Is that what the Krugster said? God he’s a idiot at times.
I just wish he gave up the blog and column and went back to economics.. preferably nothing more than international trade.
JC
8 Sep 12 at 11:50 am
Links aren’t working, so this is manual: Fairfax has let the ferals run wild today, giving oxygen to a disgraceful Facebook campaign against Gina Rinehart
(https://www.facebook.com/ginaisatheif), while, even after his resignation from the SMH, David Marr continues his campaign of personal hatred of Tony Abbott (http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/bully-tactics-came-out-early-in-abbott-says-former-rival-20120907-25joi.html). Marr presents a “profile” of Abbott for the Good Weekend magazine.
Tom
8 Sep 12 at 11:50 am
Clint Eastwood:
RTWT.
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 11:52 am
Liberty quote?
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 11:53 am
Can’t complain about service from a free blog with the best articles and comment on the http://www.au!
Woolfe
8 Sep 12 at 11:57 am
In the U.S. – Food stamp recipients over the last seven years:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/08-2/Foodstamps%20June.jpg
Ellen of Tasmania
8 Sep 12 at 12:02 pm
Read of the day: Why the Greens vote is tanking and they’ll be lucky to retain one of three Senate seats up for re-election next near.Sarah Hanson-Young G-O-R-N. Adam Bandt: G-O-R-N. The Oz also has a profile of Tubbsy Milne.
Tom
8 Sep 12 at 12:05 pm
A frenzied Jennifer Granholm:
http://michellemalkin.com/2012/09/07/winner-howard-dean-award/
Ivan Denisovich
8 Sep 12 at 12:11 pm
http://michellemalkin.com/2012/09/07/circus-of-the-vagina-gogues-vs-archbishop-timothy-cardinal-dolan/
Ivan Denisovich
8 Sep 12 at 12:14 pm
Brendan O’Neill in a very astute article in The Australian gets stuck into the redefining of and somewhat sinister power now attaching to the term “peer review”.
Under the guise of promoting “correct science” and slamming “bad science”, the priestly peer-review lobby is actually enforcing an ideological world view, using the tags “peer reviewed” and “non peer-reviewed” to distinguish between those who are politically on side and those who remain stubbornly heretical.
It occurs to me that another form of control might emerge under the clever guise of “fact checking”. You’ll hear quite a bit of sophistry on this subject in the latest episode of ABC RN’s Media Report. It spends a lot of time on the US based FactCheck.org.
Towards the end of the program Richard Aedy totally destroys his credibility by suggesting that Australia needs an impartial organization like a university to fact check, and that either Andrew Jaspan’s The Conversation, or even the ABC (he rhetorically addresses this remark to his boss Mark Scott, who’s not present) should be above reproach for this task, being a trusted and unbiased organization! I don’t think he was joking.
blogstrop
8 Sep 12 at 12:17 pm
Sorry, that second para should be in block quote!
blogstrop
8 Sep 12 at 12:19 pm
Honey, You Didn’t Build That
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3EZQvSCGaJI
laterite
8 Sep 12 at 12:27 pm
Hey, Steve, I see the US mainstream media are giving rave reviews to the Obama speech.
It must have been really good to impress those people. Yeah, he really must have nailed it. Praise from those guys is really hard-earned.
James in Melbourne
8 Sep 12 at 12:31 pm
Expect to see monty and SFB run feral on the FB site trashing Gina. Heck, they probably set it up.
Gab
8 Sep 12 at 12:34 pm
Great find laterite. Sums up the redistributionists perfectly.
Nanuestalker
8 Sep 12 at 12:35 pm
The Greens won’t be plunged into division and acrimony, they will revert to division and acrimony. Those are their natural tendencies.
While the Greens brand in general was on the ascendant they kept an apparent united front, each group thinking they were playing a longer game against the other.
But ultimately they are student politicians, with each generation splitting and resplitting dogma, creating new ‘-isms’ to accuse others of, and yet other ‘-isms’ to declare their own brilliance.
There an infinite number of ways to be wrong, and The Greens have only just got started.
Aqualung
8 Sep 12 at 12:36 pm
Psst.
Occupy activists plead guilty to conspiracy and weapons of mass destruction charges.
Endorsed by Obama.
Odd that the media aren’t focusing on this story, eh?
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 12:40 pm
I’m very surprised, CL. There must be some straight-forward explanation.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 12:42 pm
James in Melbourne needs treatment for his TFA.
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 12:43 pm
Coorey, Grattan et alia beclowned.
Turnbull speech received blessing of Abbott.
So having interpreted the speech as a deliberate sledge against Abbott, will journalists now praise the Opposition Leader for his liberality and commitment to diverse views – even ones conceivably injurious to him?
NO.
Of course not.
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 12:45 pm
I haven’t been following the Newmann government closely, and they are still busy reshaping the Queensland State government, however when he ran the Brisbane City Council he let the greenslime run the place, so that they use only “green” electricity, insist their contractors make extortion payments to Greenpeace, and do everything possible to drive up costs to appease the morons insisting on a zero “carbon footprint”.
oil shrill of Brisbane
8 Sep 12 at 12:47 pm
Was Jennifer Granholm drunk, on cocaine?
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 12:47 pm
”
Turnbull speech received blessing of Abbott.”
What, Abbott didn’t press gag Turnbull like Gillard does with her lot? What a difference.
Gab
8 Sep 12 at 12:48 pm
Gina should shut up. If she wants influence in public policy she can run for office. The poor little thing, so desperately in need of wider recognition. She and Palmer should get a room together.
Dead Soul
8 Sep 12 at 12:49 pm
It must annoy M. Turnbull no end that Tony Abbott just accepts his traitorlike speeches with equanimity.
candy
8 Sep 12 at 12:50 pm
Gun control working a treat in Obama’s Chicago paradise:
After second in family killed, family may return to Africa.
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 12:51 pm
About that polling “data”.
Seems Obama’s Chief of Staff Axelrod didn’t like Romney’s winning numbers in the Gallup polls so has begun a campaign of leaning on the polling agency. First by intimidating e-mails and phone calls but they have even gone so far as to have Holder’s “Justice” Department enter into a suit against Gallup.
“Hmmm. Nice polling agency you got here… be a real shame if something happened to it.
Zatara
8 Sep 12 at 12:52 pm
That’s a big room.
Infidel Tiger
8 Sep 12 at 12:55 pm
Who else doesn’t have speaking rights in your particular democracy, DS?
Tom
8 Sep 12 at 12:55 pm
TFA, Steve C?
Enlighten me.
I was talking to your Brisbane fellow-traveller, anyway, pre-empting the certainty that he will show up claiming that Obama knocked it out of the park, because hey, that’s what the press are saying.
James in Melbourne
8 Sep 12 at 12:56 pm
Anglicans:
‘You know, what we need is some sort of global leader and figure of unity.’
Good idea!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QYeST_9FUg
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 12:56 pm
Like Henry, Howes, Mann, Flannery, the Kellys, and the ABC. No comment on policy matters unless you’re an MP.
Pickles
8 Sep 12 at 12:57 pm
Grattan et alia beclowned. Seems not quite appropriate seeing it was Grattan who wrote the article you quoted.
Nevertheless, if you are now keen on Grattan, here’s some more for you:
Read more:
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 12:59 pm
Swan & Gillard started the trash talk directed at Gina in the press some time ago, so why shouldn’t she speak up. Or doesn’t she have a right to voice her opinion at the Sydney Mining Club? Your totalitarian slip is showing, DS.
Gab
8 Sep 12 at 12:59 pm
Must have been a tough night in DemHQ….the concern trolls at US right wing sites have gone apeshit.
Hysterically claiming Obamas slight convention bounce proves its game over, the employment figures are wonderful, Clinton was the greatest speech ever seen, etc, etc
Axelrod must be flogging them…
MDMConnell
8 Sep 12 at 1:02 pm
James, yes I knew you meant the other Steve.
TFA means Troll Feeding Addiction.
See jumpnmcar’s post 7 Sep 12 at 6:39 pm on the Wednesday 5 September Open Forum
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 1:11 pm
The US general public appear to have liked Obama’s convention better than the mainstream media
From Bloomberg
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 1:14 pm
Doesn’t Chicago have the toughest gun laws in the country?
Gab
8 Sep 12 at 1:17 pm
smh.com.au
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 1:19 pm
So it is appropriate.
Thanks.
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 1:20 pm
SteveC you might want to have a look at what I posted above before you go touting Gallup polls favoring Obama.
Zatara
8 Sep 12 at 1:23 pm
The US general public appear to have liked Obama’s convention better than the mainstream media
A strange comment. The poll was conducted from the 4-6 September. The bounce is within the margin of error, and it is lower than the average bounce received. The poll also closed on the night Obama gave his speech. But what is strange is you conflate the Democratic convention to Obama’s convention to paper-over his poorly received speech, which hardly any of the respondents could have been influenced by.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 1:30 pm
And if anyone thinks that is an isolated example they they aren’t listening closely enough.
Zatara
8 Sep 12 at 1:31 pm
Zatara, SteveC is a government troll. Ignore him.
Tom
8 Sep 12 at 1:32 pm
Don’t ya just love Chicago-style politics.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 1:38 pm
How embarrasing for m0nty and steve after the other nights hard work when they desperately tried to inflate the “criticism of Gillard is misogyny” narrative (again).
A day later this.
What a pair of beta males.
twostix
8 Sep 12 at 1:40 pm
While we’re on the subject of polls quoted by the egregious SteveC, the one about global warming and business was also misrepresented. From the article:
“Almost 50 per cent of global investors in a survey said government efforts to combat climate change will have little effect on corporate profits, while most say global warming is a danger to the planet.
Actions to limit pollution will have “not much impact” on profitability, according to 49 per cent of respondents in the Bloomberg Global Poll, while a third said profit may fall. Eight per cent of the investors, analysts and traders surveyed among Bloomberg’s global customers said such efforts would have a positive impact on corporate profitability in their nation.
Overall, 38 per cent of investors said climate change was a major threat to the environment, down from 48 per cent in July 2009. Forty per cent called it a minor threat in the most recent poll and 19 per cent said warming presents no real threat.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/investors-split-on-climate-change-costs-action-poll-20120908-25koy.html#ixzz25qUORvME
For all I know, the Bloomberg poll might be about as valid as Stephan Lewandowsky’s. But since Steve believes it, he ought to tell the truth about the results.
johanna
8 Sep 12 at 1:40 pm
Yep Obama got a 2 pt bounce in todays polls, is still behind in Ras poll, and gained a whopping half a percent or so on RCP average..
Another poll out today apparently had Rom up 3….
MDMConnell
8 Sep 12 at 1:41 pm
Potemkin’s Village
Nut jobs and misogynists… here
Grigory Potemkin
8 Sep 12 at 2:03 pm
Duckbum does another deal:
The unravelling of the PNG ‘deal’ has already been pencilled in as one of the government’s scheduled monthly crises in the runup to the next election.
Tom
8 Sep 12 at 2:07 pm
Zatara, I did read your earlier comment on Gallup polling, and threw it in the wild conspiracy theory bucket.
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 2:13 pm
Just heard on the radio that Snoop Dogg has endorsed Obama.
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 2:13 pm
There’s a hatchet job doing the rounds that Abbott “punched” the wall near the head of a political rival in 1977.
Bolt reports that the woman making the allegation – Barbara Ramjan “forgot” to mention it back July in another piece for New Matilda.
She and also a couple of other people also completely “forgot” to mention it in this 2004 Sydney Morning Herald piece on Abbott’s student politics.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/17/1089694611874.html
In fact her story over time seems to have gotten wilder and wilder.
Abbott needs to start suing people.
twostix
8 Sep 12 at 2:15 pm
It was a poll of adults.
Not likely voters or even registered voters.
It’s meaningless.
It didn’t need filing Steve; it need waste disposal.
JamesK
8 Sep 12 at 2:18 pm
Also does it escape anybody’s notice that once again Abbotts university politics are being “reported” on. With yet another major piece on his student politics. Yet we’re told that not only are Gillards heavy involvements with commies off limits, but that even what she was doing at 35 was too long ago too.
Finklestein commission now!
twostix
8 Sep 12 at 2:18 pm
johanna, you need to practise your arithmetic:
“not much impact” on profitability, according to 49 per cent – 49 is “almost 50″.
38 per cent of investors said climate change was a major threat to the environment, Forty per cent called it a minor threat – 38 + 40 = 78% said it was a threat(major or minor). 78% is “most”
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 2:18 pm
Yeah, those Federal law suits filed by the Holder Justice Department in conspiracy with the administration against Obama’s political enemies can be pretty wild can’t they?
I’d imagine that bucket of yours is overflowing by now.
Zatara
8 Sep 12 at 2:19 pm
“Abbott needs to start suing people.”
he should sue David Marr. That guy’s crazy obssessed with Mr Abbott, is he a screw loose or something.
candy
8 Sep 12 at 2:19 pm
Video: Democrat-owned cotton picker, John Lewis, says Republicans Romney and Ryan will re-introduce segregation.*
* The most cherished policy in the history of the Democrat Party.
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 2:21 pm
Johanna : thanks for doing the hard work on unpicking the propaganda. I knew it would be something like that, but can’t be bothered to follow the links to ‘OMG climate change is a major problem still!!!11! links’.
One who still thinks anyone gives two hoots about ‘climate change’ should count the number of times it was brought up in either the Republican or Democratic shindigs and speeches: Once by the republicans to make fun of the issue, and once by the Democrats saying ‘well, it’s still kind of important for some people’.
Climate Change as a political issues is a bit like ocean liners – oh, they’re still around, but only for people who want to get their jollies on them. They’re not a serious mode of transportation and the general public don’t really care if they exist or not.
Oh, and the reason that 50% of investors say ‘no impact on profiabilty’ is that (1) the loss of profitability falls mainly on a narrow range of industries (the rest just pass the taxes on) and (2) the actual taxes – worldwide – are so small and ineffective that they wouldn’t register a blip.
Climate scare-mongers and bed-wetters might ask themselves this : it’s been the best part of a decade since climate-taxing started to gain traction. Has the growth of co2 emissions slowed, stalled or reversed? No.
Has the planet reached a tipping point and warmed dangerously? No.
Have any of the scares, prophecies, apocalypses or general doom-laden scenarios happened? No.
Is it dead as a dodo as a political issue? Yes.
Are any future politicians going to use it to push their campaigns along and win? No.
But you guys keep flogging it. I guess every now and again a dead horse must get up and win a race, right?
brc
8 Sep 12 at 2:21 pm
Zatara, I did read your earlier comment on Gallup polling, and threw it in the wild conspiracy theory bucket.
Was that Axelrod’s claim, and AG’s suit, against Gallup, that you threw in the bucket?
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 2:22 pm
And?
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 2:22 pm
>Abbott needs to start suing people.
No, just let them embarass themselves and get more shrill as relevance deprivation syndrome cuts ever deeper.
brc
8 Sep 12 at 2:23 pm
No, it wasn’t. At worst, according to the Dems complaint, it was:
But you knew that, or you would have provided something to prove your allegation.
Zatara
8 Sep 12 at 2:25 pm
If homosexuality is a health hazard, that shouldn’t be anyone’s business but its practitioners’. That would be my view, ideally.
However, in the age of Roxon, health fascism, trumpeted lifestyle price-tags and left-wing morals campaigns, Jim Wallace is 100 percent justified and right.
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 2:28 pm
No it was the “Hmmm. Nice polling agency you got here… be a real shame if something happened to it.” which i threw in the bucket.
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 2:31 pm
The problem is that the Heraldsun and many others are reporting it as a “revealed” fact – making it out like he walked up to a woman (his political rival) in some sort of rage and punched the wall right next to her head wife beater style.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/tony-abbott-says-he-cant-remember-punching-wall-near-fellow-student/story-e6frf7jo-1226467996723
The woman who told the story and her cohorts have been doing the rounds for years telling all and sundry about that “victory” over him and the subsequent silly uni student behaviour (mooning, etc) but this is the first time we’ve heard about this. How convenient – did she not tell the police or file a complaint?
twostix
8 Sep 12 at 2:31 pm
Oops. Forgot all important link…
Anglicans:
‘You know, what we need is some sort of global leader and figure of unity.’
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 2:32 pm
…
That’s some fine reporting there ABC.
twostix
8 Sep 12 at 2:37 pm
SteveC, fair enough. Humour is a subjective thing.
Zatara
8 Sep 12 at 2:39 pm
it’s been the best part of a decade since climate-taxing started to gain traction.
It’s been the best part of a century since banging on about climate catastrophes/predictions began. Pity the climate hasn’t actually taken notice of such.
Gab
8 Sep 12 at 2:40 pm
Wallace wasn’t comparing smoking to “struggles.”
He was comparing the public war against the health hazard of smoking with the glowing celebration of comparably life-shortening homosexuality.
It’s a legitimate observation.
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 2:45 pm
If you own the “judiciary”, you can get away with murder. Are we going to have another Thought Police trial, with Christians cast as the devil? A perfect metaphor for the temporary leftwing toilet Australia has become.
Tom
8 Sep 12 at 2:55 pm
So now me pointing out that the Presidential tracking telephone polling is a poll of adults rather than likely voters (best) or even registered voters is an “allegation” (which is ‘mine’) apparently.
Interesting.
Gallup tracks daily the percentage of Americans who approve or disapprove of the job Barack Obama is doing as president. Daily results are based on telephone interviews with approximately 1,500 national adults; Margin of error is ±3 percentage points.
Take your time apologising for your laziness, Zatara .
No rush.
JamesK
8 Sep 12 at 2:57 pm
No, not “comparably”. Sodomy is much more dangerous than smoking. Why isn’t it being taxed and appropriately labelled?
Fisky
8 Sep 12 at 2:57 pm
Did you think children vote in the US James?
They also interviewed only human beings.
But the point is, they polled voters, just not the ones the Dems wanted.
Zatara
8 Sep 12 at 3:03 pm
Homosexual behaviour is a sin in Christian, Jewish and Islamic rules books.
Complaining about such people saying it’s a sin or a health hazard is infringing on freedom of religion and just might be hate speech, certainly in at least one widely reported statement by a politician.
He should apologise to Wallace.
blogstrop
8 Sep 12 at 3:05 pm
The new moral compass. A new table of commandments. I would hazard a guess that costs of smokers to the community wouldn’t be any greater that costs for promiscuity but promiscuity is sacrosanct.
Once upon a time we considered people who could control their tempers and lusts etc. virtuous, but now it’s the ones who recycle their plastic and bring their green bags to the supermarket who are thought to be the righteous ones. How’s that working out for us?
Ellen of Tasmania
8 Sep 12 at 3:05 pm
The hysterical reaction to Wallace’s comments are instructive. This ‘controversy’ was raised by Rafael Epstein on the ABC. He interviewed Wallace, in what was really a hostile interview, not in order to discuss his comments, but to “counter them”. And at the end he referred listeners to a Crikey ‘fact-check’ piece. Our ABC.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 3:06 pm
Zatara, JamesK’s point is that polls like Gallup are less accurate than polls like Rasmussen because the former poll adults as opposed to registered voters like the latter.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 3:12 pm
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/why_secret_policemen_love_the_greens/
Ivan Denisovich
8 Sep 12 at 3:15 pm
Don’t be a fool twice Zatara.
Smart-arsery is a risky proposition for the ignorant.
You said that I had made an “allegation”.
I didn’t.
You obviously don’t know that a poll of random phone contacted adults is considerably less significant than a poll of registered voters which in turn, is considerably less significant than a poll of likely voters.
If you want a gauge of consumer confidence, you would naturally sample the adult population.
If you want a measure of how voters think about the state of the economy or who is best to manage it in a non-compulsory voting democracy , a poll of adults would not be your best bet.
JamesK
8 Sep 12 at 3:24 pm
Gillard’s father has died, which buys her a week’s immunity from criticism.
Tom
8 Sep 12 at 3:24 pm
dover_beach, if that was true then Gallup could not produce the chart located on the left side of this page Gallup Daily
There would be no way to break out the data they include there if they didn’t include specific attention to registered voters, etc. What the Dems are whinging about is the weighting process. Each polling agency develops their own, or there would be just one polling agency.
In other words, the Dems are claiming that what Gallup defines as a probable voter doesn’t meet their desires i.e. they expect more hispanics, or more 18-29 year olds etc. to vote in this election than Gallup does.
Is that a legitimate complaint? Are the Dems right or is Gallup right? Well the Dems have cause to be wishful thinkers and try to sway the results but the fact of the matter is that nobody knows until the day after the election who is going to turn up to vote.
The problem is, the Dems are trying to use the Office of the President and the Justice Department to sway those results at an independent polling agency.
James, I can see that set theory wasn’t a favorite of yours in primary school.
Zatara
8 Sep 12 at 3:29 pm
Very sad news for Mrs Moira Gillard as I believe she and John were married for more than 50 years.
Gab
8 Sep 12 at 3:31 pm
Who else doesn’t have speaking rights in your particular democracy, DS?
You. From now on, no-one can ever complain about various people expressing whatever opinion they wish. Suck it up.
Dead Soul
8 Sep 12 at 3:38 pm
dover_beach, if that was true then Gallup could not produce the chart located on the left side of this page
Not necessarily. Rasmussen might only ring registered voters, whereas Gallup may ask if they are registered voters, among other things, and therefore depends on their respondent’s truthfulness.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 3:38 pm
Just testing out my new Aldi $249 tablet.so far so good!
Splatacrobat
8 Sep 12 at 3:38 pm
…therefore depends on their respondent’s truthfulness.
Indeed so.
But the point remains that the Dems are using the Office of the President and the Justice Department to sway the results at an independent polling agency and thus influence other voters.
Which is unsavory at best. Contest their weighting methodolgy in the press perhaps, but don’t bring Federal Lawsuits against them.
Zatara
8 Sep 12 at 3:44 pm
Ahh…
Zatara has decided to double down on low-rent smart-arsery.
Apparently his reckoning is that if he produces enough chaff to distract no one will notice that he’s been pwned.
Whether a polling groups weights for the last Dem v GOP turnout in the last election is generally reported.
If they don’t they should report the percentage difference in registered Dems, GOPers and unregistered voters in their sample.
The President’s Daily Tracking Approval is not weighted nor reported afaik and since it’s not voting intention that’s probably reasonable.
JamesK
8 Sep 12 at 3:45 pm
Exactly. It’s so easy now for everyone to visit the Fuck Gina Rinehart page and her fake Twitter account to discover for themselves what an infantile cesspit of hate and envy the Australian left has become.
Tom
8 Sep 12 at 3:51 pm
Zatara and JamesK, you both need to take a chill pill. You both criticised my original post for different reasons (fair enough), but then starting arguing with each other about what the argument was about! I quoted a current Gallup poll, Zatara pointed out Gallup shouldn’t be trusted based on an earlier poll, and JamesK then interpreted that as talking about the current poll. So you are arguing about two different polls!
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 3:51 pm
You are fucking kidding me, you actually believe that?
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 3:54 pm
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll is a voter intention poll of likely voters.
This will probably uptick modestly when the three rolling days have Friday as the last day.
Romney’s was 4 points and then settled back to 2.
I expect Obummer’s will be similar.
JamesK
8 Sep 12 at 3:54 pm
But the point remains that the Dems are using the Office of the President and the Justice Department to sway the results at an independent polling agency and thus influence other voters.
I think both JamesK and I agree that this is another instance of Chicago-style politics emanating from the White house.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 3:55 pm
No I didn’t.
I argued against misinterpreting it’s significance.
JamesK
8 Sep 12 at 3:57 pm
James, are potential voters adults? _ yes _ no
Does Gallup poll adults? _ yes _ no
Does Gallup pool potential voters? _ Yes _ no
Then they decide what constitutes a potential voter.
How Are Gallup Polls Conducted
Zatara
8 Sep 12 at 3:59 pm
Are you talking about Axelrod doing the Chicago heavy on Gallop?
I can’t believe that’s would be effective.
Gallop are lefties but they prize their integrity.
JamesK
8 Sep 12 at 4:00 pm
Given the level of taxation on smoking there are no overall costs to the community from smoking. Smoking is in the black.
I’d be interested to see an economic analysis of the costs of promiscuity; I have a gut-feeling it would be significantly in the red.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 4:04 pm
None of this negates my critique Zatara.
Gallop weight for general population characteristics other than political affiliation.
At 3:45 pm, I wrote:
By weighted I meant for political party membership.
I was correct there too.
Amazing for a man who doesn’t know even basic mathematics nor the difference between an adult and a child.
JamesK
8 Sep 12 at 4:07 pm
Yes, JamesK. But not just Axelrod, also the AG’s suit against Gallup which I’m sure would disappear if they’d please Axelrod and the Imperial President.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 4:09 pm
Marr presents a “profile” of Abbott for the Good Weekend magazine.
Marr surely seems to have a bit of a strange thing about Abbott.
It’s almost like he’s got a bit of a secret crush on him, and that what he would really like is for Abbott to …
__________________________________________
Actually, probably best to not go there.
James P
8 Sep 12 at 4:23 pm
It is most certainly reported. And it is broken down by subgroup. Is it weighted? Can’t imagine why it would be.
But we are speaking of the Election itself so I’ll point you tothis Gallup page which lays it all out by Registered Voter.
Want some sauce to go with that?
If it makes you feel any better I will stipulate that the term “allege” used in my earlier post was perjorative.
But you are still wrong.
Zatara
8 Sep 12 at 4:24 pm
Edit: this = 2012 Presidential Candidate Support by Group.
Zatara
8 Sep 12 at 4:26 pm
I’m not aware of the ins and outs but with Holder’s justice Dep’t (a contradiction in terms) nothing would surprise
Surely Holder is the, most disgracefully hyper-partisan and creepy AG in US history.
Holder’s continued presence is a stain on Obummer and his administration.
With administration colleagues like Holder no wonder so many run for the exits.
JamesK
8 Sep 12 at 4:29 pm
No I’m not and your postings are full of blather as you try to obscure the fact that you’ve been pwned.
Weighting as I used it above clearly referred to whether political affiliation in the last election was weighted for.
All polls weight for age and sex.
JamesK
8 Sep 12 at 4:35 pm
Trust a catalaxative to count costs purely in dollar terms! However, I think even in that measure you are incorrect.
Some numbers in dollars and deaths
.
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 4:35 pm
Are they fucking serious? The Kenyan’s Administration is suing Gallup because of unfavorable polls.
This piece of shit needs to be thrown out of the White House on his arse.
Fuck they’re appalling.
JC
8 Sep 12 at 4:35 pm
Definition of “catalaxative”:
the lefty trolls who come onto the Cat and manage to give everyone the sh*ts.
Gab
8 Sep 12 at 4:39 pm
Edit: this = 2012 Presidential Candidate Support by Group.
Good link Zatara. I was not aware of the big variance in gender based Dem/GOP split.
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 4:43 pm
JamesK, since you continue to try and slide the goalposts I’ll remind you what you claimed originally:
Click on “2012 Demographics” at that link. You will find all those registered voters you claim they don’t count.
Zatara
8 Sep 12 at 4:43 pm
Well something is sure causing Gab’s verbal diarrhea.
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 4:43 pm
[Censored]…
Rabz
8 Sep 12 at 4:56 pm
Fuck off, troll. Your only purpose here is to harrass and annoy on behalf of your Canberra paymasters.
Tom
8 Sep 12 at 4:57 pm
However, I think even in that measure you are incorrect. Some numbers in dollars and deaths
Where in the above is the revenue received from taxes, etc. levied on smoking? Oh, in a section you didn’t link to, 17.4, which indicates net revenue to federal and state govts totalling $3.5B.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 5:08 pm
Wallace’s point regarding sodomy is a scientific, statistical fact. Homosexuals die up to 20 years earlier than heterosexuals. According to the US CDC, homosexuality is also driving an AIDS and syphilis epidemic. Sodomy kills. It’s that simple. So we return to his point. Why is smoking condemned while homosexuality is celebrated?
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 5:13 pm
“Why is smoking condemned while homosexuality is celebrated?”
Selective wowserism (which used to be the other way around). Both should be left well enough alone.
Jarrah
8 Sep 12 at 5:19 pm
The CEO of Gibson guitars was a GOP financial backer. The result? A SWAT raid.
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 5:20 pm
You can’t buy homosexuality at the corner shop.
alan
8 Sep 12 at 5:28 pm
You can catch gonorrhea from a bird at a pub, instantly. You can’t get cancer from smoking just one cigarette.
It would actually be very interesting the see the national health cost comparison.
Dan
8 Sep 12 at 5:34 pm
The facts all here
Dan
8 Sep 12 at 5:36 pm
Nor can you buy smokers at the corner shop.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 5:38 pm
I want one. But Aldi don’t do mail outs. It is bushist!
Helen Armstrong
8 Sep 12 at 5:39 pm
But kiddies can have it ‘shoved down their throat’ as ‘a lifestyle choice’ at your local gubberment school…
Rabz
8 Sep 12 at 5:39 pm
Gina has the financial resources to see legal redress for this.
oil shrill of Brisbane
8 Sep 12 at 5:41 pm
Gina, this and bringing fauxfacts down while you’re at it.
You know what to do.
Rabz
8 Sep 12 at 5:43 pm
Swannies!!!!
Rabz
8 Sep 12 at 5:47 pm
LOL.
Having had me read a 4 page pdf file earlier in his nonsensical smart-arsery (which only confirmed what I had already said), Zatara apparently now has found a completely different Gallop poll from the Presidential job approval that Steve posted that we have been discussing.
Apparently Zatara wants to conflate the two.
This latest is the Presidential Race 7 day rolling poll of likely voters .
That shows: Aug 31-Sept 6, 2012,
Obama48%(+1) Romney 45%(-1)
RATFLMAO
JamesK
8 Sep 12 at 5:47 pm
Dan, thanks for that link. Very informative.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 5:53 pm
Listen to her. She’s off her head.
This is great. Another Demolitionist goes off the rails.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKux363Dg64
JC
8 Sep 12 at 6:00 pm
Because homosexuality is a ’cause’ and supporting the cause is fashionable. Just like Global Warming was fashinable (Some, like Marr and Turnball cling to the comfort of their adopted cause and insist the craze is not over, but really, Global Warming is so ‘yesterday’.)
Smoking used to be fashionable, all the great film stars did it, now (with apologies to Cats who still feel the nicotine rush) it is just smelly and people who smoke have been forced outside. Next to the bins. With other poor souls in their support group, they huddle in their offensiveness, looking out with a defiant ‘jack shit’ us against the world look, but the nanny state will not be satisfied until they are driven from even this small refuge.
Global warming will end up there too (next to the bins) but I suspect Marr and Turnball will abandon the cause before it gets to the alley way and it will only be Tubbsie and a few pathetic acolytes who mourn at the site.
Homosexuality? Has a long way to run before it is unfashionable. I have been reading about the Romans and the Greeks, all a good while ago and it seemed a not uncommon practice then, although not held to the heights of respect we are asked to these days.
It is merely the current fashionable cause, and by asking/questioning, we are deemed the lowest of the low, just as we were/are in all matters Global Warming. They will find something new in a year or so, those who cannot live without a cause.
Helen Armstrong
8 Sep 12 at 6:01 pm
To clarify my position, I’m with CL’s previous post, that homosexual promiscuity is no person’s business than the practioners.
Dan
8 Sep 12 at 6:04 pm
From the abstract CL links to above:
Wow.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 6:06 pm
Steve posted a Bloomberg report on a Gallup poll.
Prove me wrong James. Post the poll and prove that Gallup didn’t measure “likely voters or even registered voters”.
Zatara
8 Sep 12 at 6:11 pm
Gillard tribute to her dad was nice, as ex[ected of course, but this bit:
a bit strange but then people grieve in their own way. When I wrote the eulogy for my dear mum, it never occurred to me to include a comment about her thoughts on the trade unionism and what she taught me about the commie bastards.
Gab
8 Sep 12 at 6:19 pm
I already did and hyperlinked.
You clown
JamesK
8 Sep 12 at 6:22 pm
Mark Steyn: A Nation of Sandra Flukes
As usual RTWT
To laugh or to cry?
That is the question
JamesK
8 Sep 12 at 6:26 pm
From CL’s link about the Anglicans. Well, here come more members for the Ordinariate.
nilk
8 Sep 12 at 6:36 pm
This is one of the most common mistakes in analyses of smoking culture. Smoking is cool – quite apart from whether it is fashionable. By cool, I mean rebellious, FU, drive society’s establishment mad, offend your teachers, piss off your parents, irritate that constipated-looking tut-tutter at the party etc. COOL.
Never been cooler.
The more the Roxons of the world carry on about it, the cooler it stays.
Snake was told America was a non-smoking country.
But look what he finds: 1:58 ———–>>>>>>>>>>>
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 6:39 pm
“From the abstract CL links to above:”
Their calculations are not particularly relevant any more. HIV prevalence by sexuality has changed, infection rates have changed a lot, treatment has changed enormously.
“But kiddies can have it ‘shoved down their throat’ as ‘a lifestyle choice’ at your local gubberment school”
LOL
Jarrah
8 Sep 12 at 6:40 pm
Found this graph and thought it interesting.
Global warming and cooling over a couple of thousand years.
Splatacrobat
8 Sep 12 at 6:41 pm
Steyn is dismissed by some as a pessimist – even as someone whose schtich is pessimism. I tend to think he’s probably right. America is finished as a freedom-loving country. They pretend and wave the flag but statistics don’t lie. Half of the country is on some form of government dole.
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 6:43 pm
Well done d-b, and what did the same report tell you about your statement, “smoking was in the black?”
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 6:52 pm
and what did the same report tell you about your statement, “smoking was in the black?”
That it is very slightly in the red if you consider the tangible social costs like health care and labour in the workforce figures. Labour in the household and the intangible social costs seem to me arguable, at best.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 7:27 pm
Their calculations are not particularly relevant any more. HIV prevalence by sexuality has changed, infection rates have changed a lot, treatment has changed enormously.
I’d like to see what that study would look like with updated figures. If these figures from the CDC are to be accepted:
then I doubt they have markedly improved. I accept, however, that the prospects of those who are HIV+ is much better today than in the 90s.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 7:34 pm
Can we expect a
WinfieldLesbian Cup andBenson & HedgesHomo Summer of Cricket?Perhaps gay groups can sponsor F1 team technology?
And the drinker to, fuck them.
I’l have
XXXXSolar State of Origin,Bundy RumWind Power Wallabies and …..Ohh shit, gotta go footys on…
jumpnmcar
8 Sep 12 at 7:53 pm
There is much to be pessimistic about, even without reading Steyn. I note that Vaclav Klaus also thinks things are grim. Even allowing for the Europeans’ penchant for Grimmness, one is forced to conclusions like: Europe is stuffed; the USA will be stuffed if Obama gets another Demolitionist term; Australia is in the process of being stuffed; Political Correctness is now the principal weapon of the stuffers, who are not just in the parliament but also in the various institutions. We know who they are.
blogstrop
8 Sep 12 at 7:54 pm
There is now so much attention directed at anyone around youngsters that even ordinary mums and dads might think twice about getting involved in a youth group or scouts/guides.
Amateur photographers have to think twice about snapping any public scene involving young people, for fear of being labelled a perve. I do not condone photographing young people in inappropriate settings or states of undress. But the arts community had a blind spot when this became a cause celebre in respect of a certain photographer.
But when a young school girl is encouraged to write about a homosexual relationship, necessarily fabricated since it is in a place and time unknown to her, it is lauded as an achievement. Such is the dissonance of modern life, art and politics.
blogstrop
8 Sep 12 at 8:17 pm
Regarding stats on smokers. A patients medical records has documented whether the patient is a current smoker, ex smoker, non smoker recorded for government statistics.
You can have a broken leg from falling off a ladder, be a smoker and this is counted in the statistics of smokers being a blight on the community even though smoking had nothing to do with your hospitalization.
I question most of Nanny Roxons statistics on health and smoking.
Daisy
8 Sep 12 at 8:49 pm
Their calculations are not particularly relevant any more. HIV prevalence by sexuality has changed, infection rates have changed a lot…
Codswallop.
Pro rata – according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) – AIDS is 50 times more prevalent amongst homosexual men than heterosexuals. Homosexual men also made up 65 percent of the reported primary and secondary syphilis cases in 2007, according to the CDC. The CDC has also found that homosexual men are 44 times more likely to be HIV positive than heterosexuals. Perhaps the most dangerous group of all are black homosexuals – amongst whom syphilis rates have soured 134 percent in recent years. During the same period, syphilis rates among the general population fell by 1.6 percent.
Now once again: why – as Wallace asks – is smoking condemned while homosexuality is celebrated? It’s a legitimate question but has been met by a predictable onslaught of ad hominem abuse and threats of legal action.
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 8:52 pm
These were the exact sentiments of the most famous anti-smoking zealot in history: Adolf Hitler.
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 8:55 pm
You don’t appear to know what a non sequitur is.
I made the axiomatic – which is to say, undeniable – observation that your sentiments about smoking and smokers are identical to Adolf Hitler’s.
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 9:10 pm
Fascists find freedom alluring. Fascism, of course, is only for the peasants. Like all collectivist philosophies, fascism is a top-down leave pass for the elite. That’s why the green left fascists who run this country love it.
Tom
8 Sep 12 at 9:11 pm
Smokers of tobacco are…people who have lost control of themselves.
Non sequitur par excellence.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 9:12 pm
The observation that sentiment A is identical to sentiment B is not the same as arguing that B follows A, which is what is involved in a non sequitur.
The number of people that erroneously accuse people of committing logical fallacies is quite incredible.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 9:37 pm
The troll has a mental age of about 17.
Tom
8 Sep 12 at 9:45 pm
Excepting, of course, those who genuinely enjoy a smoke.
nilk
8 Sep 12 at 9:46 pm
Why is it a non sequitur?
Dangph
8 Sep 12 at 9:52 pm
febro?
Dangph
8 Sep 12 at 10:10 pm
It isn’t a non sequitur.
Febro doesn’t understand the term.
He expressed his views about smoking and smokers.
I felt like pointing out that they’re identical to Adolf Hitler’s.
So Febro agrees with Hitler.
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 10:21 pm
Febro certainly gave us an example, unwittingly, of a non sequitur: Smokers of tobacco are…people who have lost control of themselves.
Any number of people of supreme self-mastery have smoked in the past: Einstein, Oakeshott, Russell, Tolkien, among a legion of others readily come to mind.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 10:33 pm
On the other hand, Hitler couldn’t control himself.
C.L.
8 Sep 12 at 10:35 pm
jumpnmcar, I’m entirely sure I get the point you were trying to make, but tobacco companies have not sponsored cricket or football (or any sport) in Australia since the mid 90′s. The sports have continued to be succesful with other sponsors.
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 10:45 pm
Potemkin’s Village
Speaking of Germans… here
Grigory Potemkin
8 Sep 12 at 10:45 pm
She’s baaaa…aack …..
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/moore-claims-victory-20120908-25ljw.html
Viva
8 Sep 12 at 10:48 pm
The list of eminent pipe smokers over the last century is quite amazing.
True. Very True.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 10:56 pm
Gab Gillard is a bit like Thatcher in that she regards her father as the wellspring of her political ideas and indeed the inspirational springboard for her life in politics. Politics is her life and IMO the loss of her father can be seen in that context.
Viva
8 Sep 12 at 10:57 pm
Wallace’s comments seem to have missed the point. It’s a non-sensical comparison. Smoking frequently causes serious illness and death. Unprotected sex and promiscuity also causes serious illness and death (I don’t have stats on the frequecy). Homosexuality – per se – does not cause illness and death.
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 11:00 pm
Overstated by a factor of 10. And I’m being extremely generous.
Megan
8 Sep 12 at 11:01 pm
How can Sydney call itself a world class city when it continues to elect a Green loon as Lord Mayor?
H B Bear
8 Sep 12 at 11:08 pm
Politics is her life why, yes, yes it is. As I said, she grieves in her own way; it strikes me that the inclusion of Labor and unionism is a bit like and now a word from our sponsor, imho.
Gab
8 Sep 12 at 11:09 pm
In the Hornsby Council elections, Peter Whelan, president of the LDP, received 3.8% of the vote in the mayoral contest.
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 11:09 pm
Video. Conservatives Rising: How Did an Obama Documentary Break Box Office
via Insty.
Gab
8 Sep 12 at 11:17 pm
No, the comparison does not involve homosexuality per se. It is between average rates of serious illness and death for active smokers and active homosexuals.
dover_beach
8 Sep 12 at 11:20 pm
You’re a spiteful big of turd, SteveC…. just like any leftwing prick.
JC
8 Sep 12 at 11:24 pm
Looking at polls, Rasmussen still has the poll basically a dead heat. But this poll leans strongly to Obama. Why would there be such a discrepancy? Has anyone ever heard of FiveThirtyEight poll?
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 11:31 pm
Holy shit the council election here was brutal.
The comments section on the local rags website makes this place look like a kumbaya love in.
twostix
8 Sep 12 at 11:35 pm
Even dying is political to these lowrents. They can’t even stop for a second without thinking about it.
JC
8 Sep 12 at 11:43 pm
Has anyone ever heard of FiveThirtyEight poll?
Here, I’ll help you.
Gab
8 Sep 12 at 11:44 pm
Thanks Gab, but the link I posted was to FiveThirtyEight poll, so i wanted to know if anyone had experience with it. Is it believable?
That’s a very nifty link though, thanks.
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 11:54 pm
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/renewable-energy-to-rise-without-cost-to-public-20120907-25jnu.html#ixzz25t1HU4Ys
SteveC
8 Sep 12 at 11:56 pm
Our own Dot partakes.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 12:00 am
Hollywood, creativity and taxes.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 12:00 am
It’s not codswallop. Your own link says:
At the time and place of the 1997 study, on the other hand, 95% of HIV cases were in homosexual men. So you’ve just proved that my comment was correct.
Jarrah
9 Sep 12 at 12:05 am
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) – AIDS is 50 times more prevalent amongst homosexual men than heterosexuals. Homosexual men also made up 65 percent of the reported primary and secondary syphilis cases in 2007, according to the CDC. The CDC has also found that homosexual men are 44 times more likely to be HIV positive than heterosexuals. Perhaps the most dangerous group of all are black homosexuals – amongst whom syphilis rates have soured 134 percent in recent years. During the same period, syphilis rates among the general population fell by 1.6 percent.
Now once again: why – as Wallace asks – is smoking condemned while homosexuality is celebrated? It’s a legitimate question but has been met by a predictable onslaught of ad hominem abuse and threats of legal action.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 12:07 am
I leave you guys for one afternoon and you argue over polls …sheezs…jeez… etc
Nanuestalker
9 Sep 12 at 12:30 am
Because CL, homosexuality does not cause HIV. Unprotected sex causes HIV. So we should campaign strongly to encourage safe sex. Oh that’s right, we do.
A letter in today’s SMH said it well I thought.
“I will stop going into ”overdrive”, Nan Howard (Letters, September 7), when people such as Jim Wallace say, ”Being gay carries risks, so be careful” rather than, ”Being gay carries risks, so don’t be gay.”
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 12:32 am
Sad but true!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nanuestalker
9 Sep 12 at 12:32 am
I never thought in this way, but I find myself here in a (politically incorrect) agreement with CL.
My answer, of course, is that the war on smokers is morally wrong.
Boris
9 Sep 12 at 12:33 am
Well he’s not very calm!
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 12:34 am
Furthermore:
Gosh, I wonder why that might be.
Now how come nobody is answering Wallace?
Why is this ‘lifestyle’ not officially discouraged by the state – like smoking?
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 12:40 am
Another thing we hear a lot is that anti-smoking zealots see Asia as the El Dorado of sanctimony – the next big arena for their campaign for purity.
Which is odd – qua Wallace – given what an alarmed World Health Organisation has conclusively demonstrated:
Male Homosexual Sex Fuelling Spread of HIV in Asia, Warns World Health Organization.
It is no exaggeration to say that this ongoing epidemic is being ignored by Western governments – except in reactionary terms – because shut up.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 12:45 am
This from a troll that has posted double the amount of comments.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 12:53 am
CL, I am happy to agree that a homosexual lifestyle makes one vulnerable to all manner of diseases and problems that could shorten your lifespan.
So what? If one did not practice homosexual activities, does that mean they a not a poof?. Of course they still are. They are still made up that way, there is nothing a homsexual can do about it, just like skin colour, unless you are advocating they live a lie and marry some poor long suffering woman. It is not a lifestyle choice.
Smoking, on the other hand, no matter how much pleasure someone may get from it, is a lifestyle choice. The two issues should not have any correlations whatsoever.
entropy
9 Sep 12 at 7:35 am
“They are still made up that way, there is nothing a homsexual can do about it, just like skin colour…”
A very interesting opition – one which you have seriously not thought through. So let’s see, does that mean they are some sort of other gender, neither male nor female? Or does that mean they have some sort of defect which really needs sorting? Or maybe that means Penny Wong should have stuck with Weatherill and given her child a father?
But anyway, what I wanted to say is: nice to see you back Cat. Many thanks and well done Jacques.
C.C.
9 Sep 12 at 8:13 am
State Liberal MPs have confirmed Australia’s worst-kept secret: Do-nothing premier Red Ted Baillieu’s government would be thrown out in an election:
Tom
9 Sep 12 at 8:18 am
In a book extract in the Sunday Telegraph, SEALs reveal in detail the raid on the Abbotobad compound and the killing of Osama bin Laden.
Tom
9 Sep 12 at 8:41 am
What a difference 52,195 days make.
Rudiau
9 Sep 12 at 8:41 am
OK, I’ve mentioned this before, still waiting for the dam to break. Who will take the lead on what has to be the most important story of economic idiocy this century so far? James Delingpole’s blog has the links to Bishop’s Hill and to Lilley’s critique of Stern. Who’s going to pick up this huge story? Will it be The Cat’s emminent commentators like Sinc & Co., or Bolt, or Quadrant?
This is so important because governments are basing bad decisions on Stern and Garnaut, and alarmists use both to bolster their destructive master plans to change our society for the worse, economically and overall control-freakishly.
blogstrop
9 Sep 12 at 8:43 am
Rob Oakeshott’s mate Peter Besssiling romps home in local Election for Mayor.
Minister Hartcher now aware of rip-off pricing for Electricity, bans advertising by distributers.
HAAAAAAHAAAAA.
The Tide is turning.
alan
9 Sep 12 at 8:50 am
Victor Hansen has a long piece on the evolution of the Democrats since the old days when they sought some watering down of the rugged individualism of the Republicans via 40-hour week, overtime pay and some form of social safety net. He now identifies them as radical reactionaries pushing ever increasing entitlements and expenditures:
They no longer believe that their creed works or can work, only that somehow it must remain in control — or else.
Sounds familiar.
We have our home grown variety. Shades of the Twighlight Zone when you are asked “Do you want to see something really scary?”
Just read Piers Ackermann’s column on the national debt.
blogstrop
9 Sep 12 at 8:51 am
The chief of the federal thought police Nanny Roxon is proposing police state powers on the retention of internet data:
Tom
9 Sep 12 at 8:56 am
Be careful not to underestimate the enemy.
That’s what MR. Hitler did.
alan
9 Sep 12 at 9:01 am
Tom @8.41, I’ve got that book in transit from Amazon.com as we speak. As if I didn’t have enough to read (Coren’s Heresy is the current reading) this one will head to the top of the pile.
nilk
9 Sep 12 at 9:11 am
Socialist EU is putting together some Smoot Hawley regulation to turn get this economic recession into a real depression.
What over? The overpriced icons of vanity of the AGW Green cult of course:
The Green industry sounds like the way of the future, we better shut down all our “old, evvvvaaaalll, dddddirrrtyyyy manufacturing” as it looks like this is the highly efficient market we want our economy to be dependent on.
[H/t Bolta & Watts]
Token
9 Sep 12 at 9:17 am
Thanks for the link, it is good that Piers is ensuring some of the sunlight of truth shine on the squalid distortions the Stenographers peddle about the immigrant-hating, Khmer Rouge loving Gough Whitlam – who endorsed a plan to get cash from the Iraqi Baath party (i.e. Saddaam) to bale him from the fiscal hell he created.
Token
9 Sep 12 at 9:21 am
So, CL just a Saturday night fretting about gay sex. Huh.
steve from brisbane
9 Sep 12 at 9:26 am
At the moment she is “selling the dream” of that wharf development – and her base of renters and inner city greens give her a plurality.
You do know that unionised labour will ensure cost blowouts, and therefore the rate-payers (i.e. commercial tennants) in the next term will be getting hit by big increases in rates. That will turn the tide.
I am interested if businesses have realised about Clover’s suppress the business vote strategy. I trust that in coming elections as rates spike and as they get better informed there will be some movement in the polls.
Token
9 Sep 12 at 9:28 am
With his “enlightened” world view where Ms Fluke is a modern saint, I’m sure SoB would avoid any 1950′s style conservative thinking if his daughter told him the truth on why she thinks it is critical the government pay for her birth control:
Token
9 Sep 12 at 9:34 am
So if we’re to condemn smoking, we should condemn sodomy.
If not, why not?
This was Wallace’s point.
Nobody has answered him yet – because they can’t.
No no. Sorry. Homosexuals have insisted for years that they choose to be gay. This was a dogma of the gay lobby for decades. You seem to be saying that lighting a cigarette is a choice but inserting your penis into another man’s bottom is some sort of unstoppable compulsion. This is insulting to many homosexuals, isn’t it?
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 9:39 am
CL If it isn’t I find it hard to fathom why anyone would choose to do so for shits and giggles.
I am just saying that it isn’t a good comparison.
Entropy
9 Sep 12 at 9:49 am
Que?
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 9:52 am
As I said above re Steyn…
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 9:54 am
Catrollaxy off and running again today.
Depressing.
Septimus
9 Sep 12 at 9:58 am
CL, I don’t rule out some confused lads adopting the gay lifestyle even if they aren’t inherently homosexual, one of the guys I shared a house with back in the day could possibly fall into that category. . But I find it hard to believe there would be as many gays in the population as there are if there wasn’t a genetic component. Something in their wiring means they are attracted to the same sex more than the opposite sex.
There is no genetic compulsion to smoking. There might be degrees of susceptibility to addiction correlating to genetics, but an addictive personality would be the case in general rather than ciggies specifically.
Entropy
9 Sep 12 at 10:08 am
Yep, client politics. Here conservative govts appeasement – currently O’Farrell and Baillieu the most egregious – in the culture wars have ratcheted up the degree of difficulty with each surrender making the task for following conservative govts more onerous and difficult.
Ivan Denisovich
9 Sep 12 at 10:19 am
From Toke’s link: a fucked-up female who chose prostitution as a devastating retaliation against her parents’ delinquency illustrates why some people should be banned from having children:
Tom
9 Sep 12 at 10:23 am
Yeah I thought that too. How come it became all about HER?
Helen Armstrong
9 Sep 12 at 10:24 am
Even dying is political to these lowrents. They “can’t even stop for a second without thinking about it.
Yeah I thought that too. How come it became all about HER?”
yeh, i was wondering why she didn’t mention her mum and that the family were around supporting mum etc as the most important thing right now, taking care of mum.
I’m sure they are, but it’s the kind of thing people usually say, not about Trade Unions and the importance of education?
candy
9 Sep 12 at 10:35 am
Entropy, you’re not addressing the question.
It’s not about a comparison between homosexuality and smoking.
It’s about state policy vis-a-vis homosexuality and smoking.
One group is pilloried and harrassed while the other is indulged and celebrated.
This needs to be explained by health fascists.
It’s not enough to argue that homosexuals can’t help themselves. There are many conditions which cause people to do things which are nonetheless discouraged or even illegal.
And to re-clarify: for me this is an exercise in rational explication. I am not personally condemning homosexuals for being homosexuals. When a man makes such comments in a free country and is condemned by the prime minister, sanctimonious dickhead Jeff Kennet and threatened with charges or jail by the Greens, we have to both demand that he be answered respectfully (and truthfully) and defended as a citizen with unalienable rights. On the face of it, Wallace makes a sound point – which is why are only responding with shut up.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 11:11 am
Chris Pine was very impressive on the Insiders.
alan
9 Sep 12 at 11:20 am
Entropy, you seem to be confusing sexuality with some sort of nervous tick.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 11:43 am
Ol’ Leatherface seems to mistake himself for one of the 99% Occupy movement repeating the BBC’s claim Rinehart makes $2m an hour. Le Snore Taylor seriously out of her depth today.
H B Bear
9 Sep 12 at 11:50 am
Wonder how much Bill Gates makes an hour? Wonder how much Oprah makes an hour? Wonder why the lefties continue to blatantly lie about what Gina actually said?
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 11:55 am
Because they can.
Cato the Elder
9 Sep 12 at 12:23 pm
Because they can. Well yes, anyone can, but what is the motivation behind it? Why do they feel the need to lie? What purpose does it serve them? Is it merely reactionary to a conservative job creator speaking out? Is it fear? If so what do they fear? That Gina will somehow magically force labour rates down? Or is it they realise some truth being pointed out to them and that truth is really really scary? Is it too scary for them to actually explore the truth as instinctively they know where it will lead? It’s all rather jejune and burying their collectivist heads in the sand and lying will not change any truth.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 12:47 pm
Confirmed:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199855/Popular-kids-likely-smoke-study-says.html?ITO=1490
Sorry, Nanny Roxon. The Science is Settled.
sdog
9 Sep 12 at 12:50 pm
The baseball bats are out.
Bring on a Federal Election.
Septimus
9 Sep 12 at 12:54 pm
Born This Way: Sympathy and Science for Those Who Want to Have Sex with Children
Seriously, Gawker? Ugh.
sdog
9 Sep 12 at 12:55 pm
Bill Gates has given many millions to try to eradicate Malaria, as far as we know Gina has kept all hers for herself.
alan
9 Sep 12 at 12:58 pm
Forecasting a budget bounce?
Stutchbury on Insiders this morning kept referring to the QLD Health Minister as Springboard.
Septimus
9 Sep 12 at 1:06 pm
As long as they don’t smoke afterwards the new puritans will probably approve.
Infidel Tiger
9 Sep 12 at 1:11 pm
Only guessing, of course, but I think it’s a variety of “shut up!”.
The fundamental self-deceit in the leftist meme is that intentions matter more than results. This leads to perverse outcomes like the Greens’ boat people policies. However, they won’t even consider the fact that they might be wrong; that their good intentions don’t matter a damn.
In this case, they refuse to even consider the possibility that high wages and “good conditions” (read: low productivity) can’t be sustained.
So we get “Shut up, I don’t want to hear that, you’re lying!”
Cato the Elder
9 Sep 12 at 1:16 pm
Alan, fuckface
How do you know Gina ” has kept the money to herself” you putzhead?
She may donate money anonymously. Furthermore, it’s her money so keep our filthy, diseased ridden, envious eyes off it. Its not yours, you slob.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 1:19 pm
America is increasingly unworthy of respect as a great nation.
People bored with 9/11, ground zero set to become a picnic site.
The great hyperpowers in history would have levelled Mecca.
Instead they built ‘reflection pools.’
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 1:19 pm
The incentive effects of Taxes
from the WSJ
vr
9 Sep 12 at 1:21 pm
Shut up is the left’s favourite argument these days.
Cassidy was interrogating Pyne this morning about why the Opposition asks questions about the carbon dioxide tax. Because shut up.
A must-see Andrew Klavan classic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWHgUE9AD4s
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 1:23 pm
The fundamental self-deceit in the leftist meme is that intentions matter more than results.
Good intentions being the paving stones to hell and all, as they say. It appears they don’t look beyond intentions (because they’re all good, eh?) to possible results or even do investigative scenarios in order to determine possible unintended consequences. It’s as if they have underdeveloped pre-frontal cortices. Instant gratification (good intention-feeling) trumps reasoning out possible consequences.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 1:26 pm
Homosexuality is an inextricable part of a person’s identity. Smoking is merely a bad habit that can be given up.
CL, you got upset when SteveC (I think) made analogies between atheism and theism. Equating homosexuality with smoking would be equally upsetting to homosexual people.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 1:27 pm
Same deal.
Same deal with sodomy.
Or are you saying homosexuals die without it?
Who cares?
I did? Can I have a link to that? Go!
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 1:32 pm
No it is not the same deal. That is a seriously bigoted, extremist, pink triangle view you’re peddling there, CL.
It was JamesK, as it happens. Withdrawn.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 1:40 pm
So nice to see that you have maintained an open mind.
Her money is certainly hers to do with as see wills.
She may even see away to take it with her when she goes on holiday or something.
alan
9 Sep 12 at 1:41 pm
Shut up, Monty explains. The same Monty who resurrected the Middle Ages by calling for all sufferers of depressive illnesses to be forced from public view.
It is the same deal. A man no more needs a Rothmans in his mouth as a penis in his bottom. They’re both choices. Both demonstrably dangerous to one’s health and the health of others.
So why is one condemned and other celebrated?
Let’s have an answer for Wallace.
GO!
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 1:46 pm
This is the 21st century where we have IVF, there’s no need for heterosexual sex either. That’s a major disease vector too, especially in Africa. All sex is risky, that doesn’t mean it should be banned.
Smoking, however, kills you. Emphysema is inevitable for long term smokers. No exceptions, unless you die of something else first.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 1:54 pm
LOL.
Right. Like sodomy, according to the CDC and the World Health Organisation. Takes 20 years off your life.
So why is one condemned and other celebrated?
GO!
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 1:56 pm
FFS CL, are you really stupid or what? Sodomy DOES NOT CAUSE HIV. Having unprotected sex (homosexual or heterosexual) with a partner who is HIV positive carries a high risk of contracting HIV. So the “state policy” is to recommend SAFE SEX. The only safe way to smoke is to not smoke. So the “state policy” is to recommend to NOT SMOKE.
Here’s some reading for you on how HIV is transmitted and how to avoid it.
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 1:57 pm
Idiot Ray Hadley forced to apologise and back down again.
Scared shitless of Stuart Littlemore, apparently.
Six figure settlement for Voss – who is, by the way, a superior rugby league commentator to former Dapto dogs caller, Hadley.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 1:59 pm
Fortunately for the world, many people have evolved beyond that response.
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 2:00 pm
LOL one can always tell when the little lefties get angry, they use capitals. It’s the equivalent of stamping one’s foot to make an “argument”.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 2:01 pm
I didn’t SAY IT DOES.
Try again.
Research has proven that homosexuals die anything up to 20 years earlier than heterosexuals. So why doesn’t the state take measures to discourage it? GO!
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 2:02 pm
Oh, come on CL, you know why – because they’re hypocrites, that’s why.
Cato the Elder
9 Sep 12 at 2:05 pm
A complete and deliberate lie. You are repeating the lie of Tea Party hopeful Bob Marshall, who uses a 1997 Vancouver study as his evidence, which its authors have rejected.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 2:06 pm
“Safe sex” would typically not include anal sex for men or women, SteveC; whereas I’m sure a couple of cigs after a meal is quite safe.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 2:08 pm
Yes, but I’d say the primary motivation is preening and moral grandstanding. There were no good intentions behind the incitement of the race riot, for example, only an attempt to assume the moral high ground. That Labor and its acolytes resort to such weapons is a measure of their intellectual poverty.
Ivan Denisovich
9 Sep 12 at 2:12 pm
CL, you keep equating HIV with sodomy or homosexuality. The state does take measures to discourage the cause of HIV, i.e. unprotected sex. which is why i posted you the links. Can you not understand that the cause of spread of HIV is not homosexuality or male on male sexual intercourse? The major cause of the spread of HIV is anal or vaginal or oral sex (hetero or homo) without using a condom with a partner who is HIV positive.
There is a heap of government campaigns to encourage safe sex (i.e. avoid sex without a condom) for that exact reason.
If you are not referring to HIV , what does the research you are referring to blame for the 20 year reduced life span?
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 2:14 pm
Good news.
Read more:
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 2:15 pm
If CL’s blood pressure isn’t already high enough,this weekends sun-herald magazine has a great article on teenage transsexuals, entitled “What’s wrong with boys wearing dresses?”
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 2:19 pm
What’s right about it?
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 2:21 pm
Do we know if the % of homos that smoke out number the % of normal people that smoke ?
I’m guessing it’s higher.
jumpnmcar
9 Sep 12 at 2:22 pm
d-b “Safe sex” does include anal sex. safe sex means using a condom. you too could read the links i provided at 1.57pm. And no, a few cigs after dinner is not safe, check the links i posted earlier.
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 2:23 pm
You’re talking about the race riot that Alan Jones incited? That’s the only race riot in Australia in recent times.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 2:25 pm
I’m sure if penises were meant to go into bottoms then God/Evolution/Gaia/Nature would have arranged for newborn babies to exit the same orifice…
That being said, what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes is frankly their own concern, as long as they are prepared to bear the consequences of their actions, and that innocent children are not exposed to it in any form.
A Lurker
9 Sep 12 at 2:25 pm
Which is the worst:- Trolls, smokers or sodomites?
I think it’s Trolls.
alan
9 Sep 12 at 2:35 pm
I love the way the Greenfilth communists describe anything that’s not lunatic left destruction of the Australian economy and the denial of democracy to the majority who did not vote for or want the government they have as “toxic”.
Tom
9 Sep 12 at 2:35 pm
SteveC, let’s say, for the sake of argument, that you are right. How then do you account for HIV being 44x more prevalent among gay men than other men and 40x than women, primary and secondary syphilis rates being 46 times greater than those of other men and 71 times those of women, and anal cancer rates for HIV- gay/bi-men is 20x that of the general population while for HIV+ gay/ bi-men it is 40x more prevalent. I’m not sure the difference can be accounted for completely by unprotected sex.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 2:40 pm
Don’t ya just love the duplicity of these lefties? After the trouncing they & Labor got in NT, the cry went out across LeftyLand” No, no it had nothing to do with federal politics and the policies of the Gillard government” and yet today the story is now reversed.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 2:42 pm
d-b “Safe sex” does include anal sex. safe sex means using a condom.
No, SteveC, regular anal sex with a condom is still unsafe; just ask your proctologist.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 2:46 pm
What Steve is sayin’ is that if poo jabbin’ is unsafe then that doesn’t pass the fairness test and therefor it shouldn’t be unsafe.
And if it shouldn’t be unsafe then politically correctly it’s perfectly safe.
Alright?
JamesK
9 Sep 12 at 2:52 pm
Alan, Fuckface.
I did, you fucking envious degenerate. I mentioned how you really have no way of knowing if she donates money to charity or not. I also added to fuck off and stop talking about her money you stalker. It’s nothing to do with you, so fuck off and leave her alone.
Eggsactly. Glad to see you’ve picked up on it, although I would imagine that you along with other leftwing degenerates would love to see it taken away from her.
Stop stalking her, fuckface. Leave her alone and don’t mention her.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 2:53 pm
Right. Yay! But note the extreme and comical limits somebody like Monty will go to in order to deny reality.
Monty’s answer: because “heterosexual sex is no longer necessary.”
LOL.
In fact, I haven’t once mentioned HIV.
We know that homosexuals die earlier than heterosexuals and also that an epidemic is currently underway involving sodomy-caused AIDS and syphilis transmission – not least in Asia.
So we return to Wallace’s question: why is the government condemning smokers while celebrating homosexuality?
GO!
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 2:54 pm
“How then do you account for … anal cancer rates for HIV- gay/bi-men is 20x that of the general population”
They’re smoking cigarettes in the wrong way?
Jarrah
9 Sep 12 at 2:54 pm
What a pathetic beta male. OMG.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 2:57 pm
Well of course it isn’t necessary to mosnt. He’s never had sex as he’s still a virgin.
Monst, you continue on thinking that hetro sex is no longer necessary. You go girl.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 2:59 pm
lol
And the nicotine stains!! Oh my Gaawd!!
jumpnmcar
9 Sep 12 at 3:00 pm
I don’t have high blood pressure.
Jim Wallace’s critics do.
Reason: because he’s right and they have no argument.
Ergo: shut up.
——————————————————-
And again for the record: Modern Monty has argued here repeatedly and passionately that all people with depressive illnesses must be forcibly removed from public roles. He said voters and taxpayers should not be held captive to their decisions. This means that Monty wants all public servants with depression sacked.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 3:00 pm
“In fact, I haven’t once mentioned HIV.”
This discussion started because you grossly misrepresented a study into HIV. You mentioned AIDS yesterday, and today have mentioned HIV twice.
“We know that homosexuals die earlier than heterosexuals”
Since you can’t rely on the 1997 calculation, how do you know?
Jarrah
9 Sep 12 at 3:01 pm
Morning, Snic. Please don’t shoot the new troll out of the cannon just yet. He’s just hanging around, pretending to be inoffensive. The thumb-sucking envy will get harder to suppress until the volcano of hate has its Vesuvius moment when the backpack of TNT detonates and dispatches him to the Thousand Virgins dreamtime. I believe you’ll know the moment from the green and watermelon red explosion. Pity the Cat doesn’t have a video channel.
Tom
9 Sep 12 at 3:01 pm
Vaginal smoking is supposed to cleanse and sterilise the vagina Jarrah.
And disgracefully you won’t hear about that in The Vagina Monologues
Could a proctological puff or two help reduce homosexual anal cancer and HIV rates?
JamesK
9 Sep 12 at 3:02 pm
And homos a more likely to have depressive illnesses too CL.
http://psychcentral.com/lib/2011/higher-risk-of-mental-health-problems-for-homosexuals/
jumpnmcar
9 Sep 12 at 3:03 pm
Depression or no depression. 90% of the fuckers should be booted with prejudice.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 3:05 pm
Actually, when you really think about it, the only safe sex one can practice is Monster sex, which is no sex at all with anyone, or SteveC, sex which is having sex with Kimberly the plastic sex doll he bought. However recent studies have shown that the plastic from what Kimberly of is made of eventually becomes toxic. So SteveC beware. You’ve got the heads up.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 3:10 pm
oops bad comma after SteveC
JC
9 Sep 12 at 3:14 pm
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/tom-switzer-beach-violence-not-a-symptom-of-rampant-racism/story-e6frg6zo-1111112664545
Nope:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_we_need_a_sorry_for_labors_race_riot/
Ivan Denisovich
9 Sep 12 at 3:29 pm
CL at 5.13 yesterday you said
So unless you are reffering to some other cause of AIDS, then yes you are talking about HIV.
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 3:39 pm
JC.
I like G***. I think that she has a great future. If you look at my post on the F*** G*** fb page you will see that I was quite nice about her.
alan
9 Sep 12 at 3:40 pm
From the CDC fact sheet linked to by CL, via LIfeSiteNews:
and the recommendations:
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 3:50 pm
Le Snore Taylor seriously out of her depth today.
Yes, she was, but that’s because she is used to being there in a sort of collective with Fran Kelly and Malcolmm Farr, so that they can all agree with each other that Abbott is bad and has problems with women and really shouldn’t wear those speedo’s; and and and isn’t he so insensitive the way he attacks poor Julia in Parliament. Clearly an insensitive oaf and obviously no woman could vote for him.
Unfortunately for poor ole Lemon Face today, Gerard Henderson called her out on that utterly disgraceful smear of Abbott about some ridiculous incident that was supposed to have happened 35 years ago. Old Lemon Face didn’t like it at all – and seemed to be attempting to make it equivalent to the questions that have been asked as to Gillard’s integrity in the AWU/Slater Gordon affair.
The idea that Taylor could equate these two issues is almost breathtaking.
And note where the Abbott story comes from: That patronising puerile old poof Marr.
James P
9 Sep 12 at 3:53 pm
Alan, Fuckface, stop obsessing about her.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 4:05 pm
James P
You’re right, Lenore Taylor was completely out of her depth. So was old leatherface Bawie.
I can’t figure how they had two people on the right today.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 4:08 pm
Oops I meant Le Snore, not Lenore.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 4:12 pm
Old leatherface Cassidy made the astonishing claim that Gina makes 2 million dollars an hour.
Even basic fact checking would suggest this isn’t correct.
Barrie, Old leatherface $2 million an hour means she would be making something like $17.520 billion per year. Her net worth is now around that, you despicable moron.
You fucking dumb lying deadshit, Bawie, no individual makes that sort of money in Australia.
The asshat needs to apologize.
This is basic arithmetic Bawie that you should have fact checked before you opened your fat stupid leftwing trap.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 4:19 pm
The people attracted to the Fuck Gina Rinehart Facebook page are the pottymouth dregs of Australian society, most of whom, including the troll, have never had a job in the real economy and are full of entitled leftwing hate and envy. This is the sort of ugly underclass that breeds every half-century or so when you have an extremist anti-capitalist government in power, swimming in debt and uncontrolled spending on welfare and lunatic programs designed to entrench big government.
Tom
9 Sep 12 at 4:36 pm
I see CL has chosen to ignore the exposure of his lies about the 1997 study, and his lie that CDC and WHO supported the incorrect conclusions of an extremist bigot. As usual, reality has a left wing bias, and CL has no way of dealing with reality so he escapes back to his autism-laced fantasies.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 4:45 pm
CL’s been talking about gay sodomy for, what, nearly 24 hours now?
Tom, JamesK, blogstrop and my other fans will soon be begging me to change the subject.
steve from brisbane
9 Sep 12 at 5:01 pm
Condoms are much more likely to tear during anal sex than vaginal sex. And once your cover is blown, anal sex is an extremely unsafe practice. There is no such thing as Safe Sodomy. It should be taxed and labelled like all other dangerous activities. I think a plain packaging Mardi Gras, where all participants are forced to wear drab overalls, would be a good initial step.
Fisky
9 Sep 12 at 5:07 pm
“It should be taxed and labelled like all other dangerous activities.”
There we have it – Fisky is Roxon.
Jarrah
9 Sep 12 at 5:12 pm
I think a further good move would be for CL, instead of wasting time here talking about it, to personally evangelise outside gay pubs and clubs on a Saturday night, perhaps by wearing a sandwich board carrying the message “Sodomy shortens life. Do not do it tonight.*
*Ask me about other forms of mutual pleasuring”
steve from brisbane
9 Sep 12 at 5:15 pm
Evidence?
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 5:17 pm
At the very least sodomy should be banned on airlines and in all government buildings. Sodomy should also be confined to alfresco areas at cafes and restaurants. A total ban on sodomy advertising is a necessity. Political parties should also be shamed into not accepting donations from Big Sodom.
Infidel Tiger
9 Sep 12 at 5:18 pm
I’d be happy if the Gillard/Union/Green/Indep government would just take a break from sodomizing the taxpayers.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 5:20 pm
Dangerous words.
I agree with them.
Rabz
9 Sep 12 at 5:22 pm
Crikey this discussion about sodomy and smoking has been going on for 2 days?
Guys, how about the footy finals or Clover “Biker” Moore.
Or this poorly written piece of recycled thought about why women’s sport gets no respect.
http://www.dailylife.com.au/health-and-fitness/dl-sport/how-successful-do-female-athletes-need-to-be-20120907-25i0t.html
No cliche left behind.
DaveF
9 Sep 12 at 5:23 pm
Grow up SteveC
JamesK
9 Sep 12 at 5:23 pm
God I wish Kimberly (your sex doll) could speak.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 5:23 pm
It’s the damage to the rectum etc in sodomy that is a problem too, which can lead to cancer, condom or not, or just incontinence over time as well.
perhaps J. Wallace was alluding to those things.
i’m sure this discussion has been had before, deja vu.
candy
9 Sep 12 at 5:26 pm
Too complicated, SfB. He’d be better served just downloading the kit they give out from Westboro Baptist.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 5:26 pm
That’s how I feel every quarter and the sept one is coming up.
Lefties, steer clear from the 15 th on as I won’t be as nice as I am now.
Remember 15 days either side of the quarter end.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 5:27 pm
Bring it on, please, FFS.
It could be rebadged as the “Grey Mardi Gras”…
Rabz
9 Sep 12 at 5:29 pm
Candy
Stop that sort of dirty talk.
People please.. Enough on the gay sex stuff.
Monster, as for you.. Enough on hetro sex … Let the experts do all the talking for obvious reasons.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 5:30 pm
Interesting. stevec, monty, sfb, Jarrah all defending sodomy. The “progressive” left hahahahahaha!
As for you, SFB, there’s been plenty on here attempting to “challenge” CL’s views, I wish they’d stop prolonging the “debate” though. Haven’t they got anything else to do besides stick up for sodomy?
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 5:30 pm
What is the definition of disability?
Has it changed?
Or has the interpretation changed?
A view of the USA
Interested to see the AUS version of this.
Also would be interested to see what are the comparative numbers of government employees and welfare recipients vs those in productive employment.
Aussieute
9 Sep 12 at 5:32 pm
“Mardi Gras Gris”?
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 5:32 pm
No – Grey Mardi etc is more evocative.
Celebrate teh blandness!
Rabz
9 Sep 12 at 5:37 pm
We’re defending individual rights, Gab, against the nanny statism of conservatives. It’s a pity the true libertarians don’t speak up on the issue on this site, evidently they’re scared of abuse from the lunar element like CL.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 5:39 pm
I’m still pissed over Bawie cassidy suggesting Gina makes 17.5 billion a year. Stupid lying deadshit.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 5:40 pm
to sodomy. Hilarious! Keep talking.
Btw, who is stopping people in Australia from sodomizing each other?
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 5:42 pm
Disability is code for older workers who give up looking for work.
I’m sure it would be higher here, is it 400k on benefits?
I was looking that up and found this gem:
Almost half the 588,824 people receiving unemployment benefits last month were not required to look for work,
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/money/federal-budget/benefits-tighten-to-get-more-working/story-fn84fgcm-1226034444566#ixzz25xLPZUC3
Even the dole isn’t very onerous.
DaveF
9 Sep 12 at 5:42 pm
CL wants to. He wants to drag us back to the 19th century. And only the leftists on here are sticking up for individual rights. It’s rather pissweak by the libertarians on here, to be honest.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 5:45 pm
I’m all for full disclosure in sex education classes at school. When they discuss hetro sex and other forms of sexual ‘lifestyles” they should be as explicit as possible explaining the in’s and outs of the various sexual acts.
If they explained to say a class of 12 year olds that homosexual sex can include but not restricted to: anal penetration with the partner’s penis or penile shaped object, oral sex, and felching I’m sure they will think very carefully about which orifice they intend to play with in their future years.
The same health warnings with regard to STD’d for both hetro and homosexual sex should apply. Known statistics like mentioned earlier about the prevalence of HIV, Syphillis, drug taking, and other nasties associated with homosexual lifestyles should be as heavily prosecuted as hetro sex. We wouldn’t want some misguided darling growing up and suing because they weren’t warned in their formative years that anal sex was the cause of their cancer.
Splatacrobat
9 Sep 12 at 5:45 pm
The man has awesome powers! Awesome – why just be disagreeing with the “progessive” leftwing’s call for a right to sodomy somehow that means CL will stop other people from their unalienable right to sodomise each other. Too funny.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 5:47 pm
On a happy note I tasted my first Jaboticaba today from one of dads trees.
Lovely grape taste with a little lychee thrown in IMO.
( Link a visual reference )
jumpnmcar
9 Sep 12 at 5:48 pm
@Tom may be something like this needs to happen Join to help us get rid of the page “Cancer is funny cause people die” only a page to recognise people who contribute, not those who feel they are entitled to everything for doing nothing and compain about the likes of Gina.
Aussieute
9 Sep 12 at 5:49 pm
No CL, it is not cool in a Rebel Without a Cause Way, it is just smelly and makes me want to vomit.
All the years I smoked, (35) it was never about the ‘cool’ it was always about the rush, the need to feed the urge, seek out other junkies who smoked and cluster. Every moment of the day was spent thinking about when the next fag would be, from the moment I woke to the last before bed. It came to be that I had no enjoyment other than the alleviation of the craving, which was no enjoyment, just a temporary reprieve. It was pathetic. I was pathetic.
Nothing cool about that, at all. But if others want to do it, that is fine. It is their choice, their circumstances. Even if they now have to do it near the bins. How cool is that?
Helen Armstrong
9 Sep 12 at 5:49 pm
DaveF
A large number of those people on the dole aren’t able to find work because the government has run them out of the labor market through the FWA regulations. They deserve compensation for what’s happened to them. More in fact.
The only time they deserve condemnation is when we have a relatively free labor market.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 5:51 pm
Thanks for that, Jump. Have never heard of it. Have you tried The Black Sapote? Just yummo! Only place I’ve seen it was in Cairns, doesn’t appear to travel south.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 5:53 pm
I agree, Gab, with your characterisation of CL as an extremist nutjob whom nobody should take seriously.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 5:54 pm
Stop being absurd and talking shit. I did not so thing – I was mocking you. The only one to stand guilty of characterization is you.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 5:56 pm
No you’re not, you liar.
I haven’t been involved in this discussion at all, but from what I see no one is advocating any bans, you bullshit artist. That sort of talk only ever comes from “your lot”, you finkelstein douchebag.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 5:56 pm
We’re defending individual rights, Gab, against the nanny statism of conservatives.
Orwellian. CL has explicitly argued that mortality rates and the incidence of HIV, anal cancer, etc. for bi/ gay men don’t constitute reasons for government measures against bi/ gay men. In fact, he used the analogy to argue against like such measures being used against smokers. And rather than simply agreeing with this, as Jarrah did, you and Stevec have dragged this argument out simply to justify these measures against smokers.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 5:59 pm
Margaret Thatcher was in favour of decriminalization of sodomy, but she did have a very good law passed known as Section 28 to the local government act, banning the promotion of homosexuality. This was a sensible approach that struck a centrist balance between individual rights and the rights of an informed public. I propose it be reintroduced at once. It would be irresponsible to allow governments to promote smoking, and sodomy is no different.
Fisky
9 Sep 12 at 6:02 pm
Really interesting, jump, I will try to source one.
Helen Armstrong
9 Sep 12 at 6:02 pm
The Liberal Democratic Party has its first elected politicians.
In the NSW local government elections held yesterday, we won positions on Ku-Ring-Gai and Campbelltown councils.
Tomorrow the world.
DavidLeyonhjelm
9 Sep 12 at 6:05 pm
Well done the LDP! Terrific stuff
Fisky
9 Sep 12 at 6:08 pm
Well done to them, David. “Tomorrow the world” we can but hope.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 6:08 pm
And I’ve explained the counter to this argument: homosexuality is a part of a person’s identity, whereas smoking is just a bad habit. CL has no answer to this. So he ignores it, as usual.
The case against anal sex being a significant health risk is negligible anyway. Even if you accept the finding that anal cancer is 20 times more prevalent among participants, that is the difference between 0.0017% and 0.03% chance that you would contract it (about 1 in 60000 versus 1 in 3000), according to prevalence rates in the US. One of those risks that we take in life all the time with our lifestyles, in other words. As opposed to smoking, which is guaranteed to end your life early unless something else does even quicker.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 6:17 pm
The answer is that in both cases we should let people make their own choices. It’s not the government’s job to spend taxpayers’ money saving the taxpayers from themselves.
dd
9 Sep 12 at 6:22 pm
As an aside, nothing shits me more than listening to JJJ pushing political viewpoints and social policy positions. The J is by far the most partisan, left wing branch of the ABC, yet flies under the radar of criticism, while ABC TV cops it with both barrels. Presumably that’s because conservatives don’t listen to Triple J, so they don’t know what’s going on.
dd
9 Sep 12 at 6:25 pm
Well, it’s a bit of a one-note samba mardi gras here at the Cat today. What can I do but add some lyrics based on that old Irish favourite:
How are things in Sod/Gomorrah?
Is that little group still “sleeping” there?
Do they still run down to Taylor Square?
Vote Green, thank God for Clover come tomorrow?
blogstrop
9 Sep 12 at 6:26 pm
That’s an argument for decriminalisation of all drugs, dd. Surely you wouldn’t go there.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 6:27 pm
Yes I would.
In fact I’m already there, unpacked the furniture, and made myself at home. The only drugs I’d see dispensed with a doctor’s approval are antibiotics (mainly because antibiotics is the example that prohibitionists and lovers of regulation fans whine about whenever this comes up).
dd
9 Sep 12 at 6:34 pm
Yeah well, you’re not going to get far with that one.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 6:39 pm
There is no evidence that smoking is “guaranteed to end your life early”. None. And no, sodomy is not “part of someone’s identity”. You can choose to engage in risky behaviour or not.
Fisky
9 Sep 12 at 6:40 pm
Yep that’s about right.
The developing world is really fucking things up big time.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 6:43 pm
Sinc
Febro, or rather Bird’s fat, oiled trannie is back here trolling again. The attention seeking fat fuck needs to be banned again.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 6:44 pm
No. I linked directly to the actual study – which found that homosexuals die 20 years earlier than heterosexuals. What Monty didn’t tell you is that the author came under pressure from the gay lobby when his study was cited by their opponents in the US – which is when he began qualifying his findings.
I have also cited irrefutable CDC and WHO statistics which show that sodomy is responsible for an epidemic of death, illness, STDs and misery throughout the world – and increasingly in Asia, thanks to homosexuals.
Now once again: given that homosexuality is so dangerous to its practitioners’ health, why is it celebrated by the state while smoking is condemned?
Remembering, now, that there is no such thing as safe sodomy, condoms or no.
GO!
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 6:45 pm
“In the NSW local government elections held yesterday, we won positions on Ku-Ring-Gai and Campbelltown councils.”
Woo! The only way is up!
Just checking the Campbelltown ballot, some of the party names are amusing: Totally Locally Committed Party, and the Community Service Environment Save Campbelltown Koalas party.
Jarrah
9 Sep 12 at 6:46 pm
True, but how much has he donated for the supply DDT as opposed to inefficient mozzie nets?
nilk
9 Sep 12 at 6:47 pm
Gab and Helen, sorry got called away.
Yeh, the old boy has lots of weird fruit growing, granadilla, jack fruit and some strange varieties of avocados and mangos.Don’t know bout Black Sapote, looks like a guava from the outside.
I’l try and find a seed or three to give him.
jumpnmcar
9 Sep 12 at 6:49 pm
Thanks for demonstrating that I haven’t once mentioned HIV.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 6:49 pm
Fuck off Monster. Both things are a private issue. Stay away from our lungs as well as our bedrooms, you apologist dick.
No it’s not you innumerate moron. No medical professional worth their degree would say that.
Stay the fuck away from stats and related stuff as you have no fucking idea.
If you’re going to cloak bans and taxes with risk then it ought to go all the way, fuckhead. Not just what “your lot” approves.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 6:49 pm
Hey, JC. My bff blogger (or so people think) Charles Johnson has a post up about the myth of Obama being a big spending socialist. It has lots of graphs and stuff to support the argument, including a link to this column from Cato Institute in 2009.
Johnson seems to make a decent case. Where is he wrong?
steve from brisbane
9 Sep 12 at 6:51 pm
Sodomy is also a habit. It is not necessary for survival. Indeed, it’s almost guaranteed to kill.
Try again.
——————————————————
Steve from Brisbane arrives:
Readers will recall that Steve spent two weeks here essaying his fear of black sex machine, Herman Cain.
But I thought this topic was interesting because so far nobody has answered Jim Wallace. Monty, ‘libertarian’ Jarrah and SteveC seem to agree with the Greens that he should be jailed. Odd. Why don’t they just answer his question?
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 6:54 pm
Thanks for citing Johnson, Steve – the man who inspired Anders Brievek.
Very authoritative.
Compelling.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 6:56 pm
Paranoid delusions on your part about “pressure” are irrelevant. Marshall lied and you lied, CL. Stop lying.
Here is the statement from the authors of the study:
Yet again, CL attacks individual rights by misrepresenting science on behalf of conservatism, and the libertarians on here cower in fear and say nothing.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 6:58 pm
And I’ve explained the counter to this argument: homosexuality is a part of a person’s identity, whereas smoking is just a bad habit.
What nonsense. This is a ridiculous distinction. Kant routinely went for an afternoon walk at the same time everyday. This was as much a part of his identify as his sexual orientation, in fact it was more so. Sorry, but you don’t get to decide what is or isn’t a part of a person’s identity. But the effect of this distinction is worthless; even if true, the fact that something is a habit does not grant us a right to curtail its exercise where this only harms the person exercising that habit.
The case against anal sex being a significant health risk is negligible anyway.
I hardly think a rate of 35/60 per 100,000 is negligible (and the incidence is rising) given its a quarter to a third of the rate of incidence of lung cancer among smokers.
As opposed to smoking, which is guaranteed to end your life early unless something else does even quicker.
Not true, since there are smokers and ex-smokers that live beyond the average rate of life expectancy.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 7:00 pm
They did: Shut up; and also smokers are worse than sodomites.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 7:00 pm
“(Correct and consistent use of the male latex condom
is highly effective in reducing HIV transmission.)”
This Steve guy is hilarious. Name me one guy on earth who has correctly and consistently used male latex condoms. Just one.
C.C.
9 Sep 12 at 7:00 pm
“No. I linked directly to the actual study – which found that homosexuals die 20 years earlier than heterosexuals.”
No, it projected, depending on which assumptions they chose, that homosexuals would live 8 to 20 years less than heterosexuals, as long as there was no change in infection rates and treatment options.
Since their assumptions are no longer applicable, saying “gays live 20 years less” is gross misrepresentation. And it’s not me who came up with that wording, it was what one of the authors said when someone else made the same claim.
“why is it celebrated by the state”
It’s not celebrated. How do you think it’s celebrated?
Jarrah
9 Sep 12 at 7:01 pm
Wrong again. Stop lying, CL. Lies, lies, lies, that’s all you’ve got.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 7:01 pm
“Thanks for demonstrating that I haven’t once mentioned HIV.”
Obviously you missed my earlier comment where I point out what anyone can find with Ctrl-F – you have mentioned it twice on this thread.
Jarrah
9 Sep 12 at 7:04 pm
No, it’s not, if practiced in a monogamous relationship or with a condom. Safe sex is described as ‘safe’ for a reason.
dd
9 Sep 12 at 7:04 pm
“Yet again, CL attacks individual rights by misrepresenting science on behalf of conservatism, and the libertarians on here cower in fear and say nothing.”
Excuse me? Am I invisible here?
Jarrah
9 Sep 12 at 7:06 pm
A person’s choice to indulge in unsavoury habits – which may also have unhealthy consequences – does not give you license to discriminate against them.
As for homosexuality having a genetic component, which gene please? I have a friend who is gay while his identical twin is not, so I’m a bit confused.
nilk
9 Sep 12 at 7:06 pm
With government funding.
The gay lobby – welfare queens to the last “man”.
Fisky
9 Sep 12 at 7:08 pm
JC, I think I found out where SteveC bought Kimberly from.
Splatacrobat
9 Sep 12 at 7:08 pm
“Thanks for citing Johnson, Steve – the man who inspired Anders Brievek. Very authoritative. Compelling.”
Ad hom again? That’s getting old.
Jarrah
9 Sep 12 at 7:09 pm
(comment lost in moderation.
Literally. At the Mardi Gras, with your tax dollars.
http://www.mardigras.org.au/about-us/news/liberals-pledge-support-to-grow-mardi-gras/index.cfm
Fisky
9 Sep 12 at 7:10 pm
So, if I’ve followed correctly the statement above by the authors of that study, life expectancy for gay/bi-men in BC has improved from 8 -21 years less to 2.6-7 less than for all men. Just like smoking, by the looks.
I think you should apologize to CL, monty.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 7:12 pm
More on the welfare queens of the gay lobby.
http://gaynewsnetwork.com.au/news/national/8181-mardi-gras-gets-increased-cash-support-from-city.html
Fisky
9 Sep 12 at 7:13 pm
There is no discrimination here. There is regulation of a product which kills thousands of its users each year.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 7:13 pm
The gay mardi gras is hardly quiet contemplation in private is it?
Splatacrobat
9 Sep 12 at 7:14 pm
“Left-libertarians” just love having their own preferences being backed up by the coercive arm of the state.
Fisky
9 Sep 12 at 7:14 pm
Sodomy has killed millions and will continue to kill until it attracts the same plain-packaging constraints as cigarettes.
Fisky
9 Sep 12 at 7:15 pm
no, no I want to see him twirl his way out of that one.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 7:17 pm
More hope for the future:
Greens will go, flushed away like the scum they are.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 7:23 pm
This is not due to the health effect of sodomy itself, which is what CL has been claiming, but due to increased prevalence of HIV in the gay community. No apology necessary. The problem is unsafe sex, not the place they stick it in.
m0nty
9 Sep 12 at 7:23 pm
“Literally. At the Mardi Gras, with your tax dollars.”
Seriously? That’s all you’ve got?
Government shouldn’t fund/subsidise any major events. I think businesses who benefit from tourism should pay for them themselves. But to suggest subsidising gays celebrating themselves is the equivalent of the state celebrating homosexuality is ludicrous. Especially since the state government also subsidises things like World Youth Day.
Jarrah
9 Sep 12 at 7:23 pm
Stepford:
I really don’t understand why lefties are debating this as it’s not complicated. The average deficit under the Kenyan has been 8% of GDP.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 7:26 pm
When you think about it, it’s exactly what is being subsidized.
Diversity of what? Sexual orientation. Where the Mardi Gras celebrating heterosexuality?
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 7:28 pm
I wouldn’t be linking to Chucky Johnson. He sailed off the edge of reality and relevance years ago.
nilk
9 Sep 12 at 7:29 pm
Gates wants to eradicate malaria. His foundation is working on a vaccine amongst other things. He is of course an incredibly smart and determined guy. I reckon he must be doing more good in the world than countless government agencies.
The lefties seem to like him now, but let’s not forget that at the time they tried their hardest to tear him down.
Dangph
9 Sep 12 at 7:29 pm
This is not due to the health effect of sodomy itself, which is what CL has been claiming, but due to increased prevalence of HIV in the gay community. No apology necessary. The problem is unsafe sex, not the place they stick it in.
This is a truly bizarre response. Of course, it’s a problem relating to sodomy and unsafe sex among bi/ gay men, otherwise there would be no difference in infection rates between straight and gay/bi-men, as even though the later is likely more promiscuous and to engage more in unsafe sex the difference is unlikely to account substantially for the difference.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 7:39 pm
Thank goodness we have Wayne Swan at the helm, hey febro.
Dangph
9 Sep 12 at 7:42 pm
Gates work, like all entrepreneurial philanthropy is tax deductible.
They know the governments can’t get efficient results, with their tax dollars, so the do it themselves.
Businessfolk don’t trust government.
jumpnmcar
9 Sep 12 at 7:46 pm
The only thing that stopped the relentless pursuit of Microsoft was a change to the Bush administration.
As usual, the lefties were on the wrong side of things. Just as they were trying to penalise Microsoft for bundling Internet Explorer, market forces had driven the re-energisation of the Mozilla project and the emergence of Firefox.
As Bill Gates said ‘we did everything that they asked’.
But they still wouldn’t stop dragging them through the courts until they found something, anything.
But now that he has paid lip service to the gaia religion and spends his time working for charities, his past has been cleansed by the left. No longer was he a hard-nosed businessman determined to crush his competition. No, all of a sudden he’s a lovable geek done well, a friendly guy with a nice story.
brc
9 Sep 12 at 7:47 pm
exactly. The idiots running Canberra have priced us out of the market with the carbon tax, the mining tax, and so on. Less mining is the intended outcome of these policies.
dd
9 Sep 12 at 7:48 pm
When will the “Recent comments” log return, Jacques? I can’t remotely follow what is going-on on the other threads.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 7:49 pm
Dover,are you still heading to the US later this year?
Tal
9 Sep 12 at 7:52 pm
Let’s call a spade a spade.
Yes, there are health risks with promiscuity – and pertinently to this conversation, with gay sex.
There are also health risks with puffing on a cigarette or a joint. Going to the beach and getting a sun-tan puts you at risk of cancer. Going surfing when there are sharks in the water is a risk; going out in the city late on Saturday night is a risk given city violence. Travelling to interesting faraway countries; quite risky. Drinking alcohol: increased risk of cancer and heart disease. Loving someone: risk of heartbreak.
And so on and so on.
The point is, there are risks in life and it’s not some bureaucrat’s job to tell me what risks I am allowed to take.
dd
9 Sep 12 at 7:53 pm
Four hundred and twenty third!
Ooh Honey Honey
9 Sep 12 at 7:53 pm
Obama is a Dream Come True.
The conundrum of living among the Left.
Rudiau
9 Sep 12 at 7:53 pm
Fuck.
Ooh Honey Honey
9 Sep 12 at 7:54 pm
Yes, I will be, Tal. Put a nice bottle of champagne away for it.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 7:56 pm
Also with operating systems, Gates made the point that a competitor could emerge and challenge Microsoft’s dominance at any time. People laughed at that idea. It’s part of the leftist belief system after all that the free market causes monopolies.
But look at the situation now. In the case of smart phones and tablets, MS doesn’t have much traction. Apple and Google are the big guys now. If I remember correctly, they were pretty inconsequential at the time. Apple in particular was a basket case that had come really close to going under.
Dangph
9 Sep 12 at 7:57 pm
Let’s call a spade a spade.
According to the Greens and their surrogates, this is or ought to be illegal.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 7:58 pm
On Firefox, compared to Chrome, it is a dog.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 7:59 pm
Can we not feed the troll, please?
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 8:01 pm
What’s your solution to controlling world commodity prices? Stamp our foot and insist that they pay a fixed price?
We can only sell our wares for whatever people are willing to pay. yes, that’s the market, and it’s the only way to establish the monetary worth of things. Or make money and become a wealthy nation.
dd
9 Sep 12 at 8:03 pm
Ooh Gab I think we may have a blog wedding later this year
Tal
9 Sep 12 at 8:06 pm
This is a stupid thread.
Jacques, can we have the kittens back?
Ta.
sdog
9 Sep 12 at 8:07 pm
I know. It’s exciting, Tal. Promise of a new life together, hope for the future, facing the future together, a loverly wedding – and cake!
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 8:08 pm
New shoes and a frock
Tal
9 Sep 12 at 8:10 pm
Ever envisage a world without such shenanigans?
I have, I’m not keen on lining up for months for a loaf of bread and half an oz of butter
Dan
9 Sep 12 at 8:14 pm
And new shoes and frocks Gab
Tal
9 Sep 12 at 8:14 pm
Puppies!!!!!
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 8:17 pm
Dan don’t pay febro Phil ,freddy,isher,any mind
Tal
9 Sep 12 at 8:19 pm
God!Why is Phil still here? I can’t wait for theFisk Doctrine
Tal
9 Sep 12 at 8:22 pm
I think it should be pointed out that heterosexual intercourse raises the chances of cervical cancer for women – if you want to argue over the risks of sexual activity, the only truly safe sex is masturbation.
(Unless you’re doing it wrong. Really wrong. Or you’re Michael Hutchence)
Quentin George
9 Sep 12 at 8:23 pm
We now have no fewer than five trolls competing to be next to be shot out of the Catallaxy cannon!
Tom
9 Sep 12 at 8:24 pm
Oh, excuse me, JC already made the point.
Quentin George
9 Sep 12 at 8:25 pm
Ok, so which cause of AIDS were you referring to? Which cause of death by sodomy were you referring to?
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 8:28 pm
It’s called barter, you fucking idiot.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 8:30 pm
Splatacrobat, are those activities restricted to homosexual sex?
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 8:30 pm
People rule which in this case is the marginal buyer making the price. That’s China.
we weren’t complaining when the price was US$180 bucks a ton. Now fuck off.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 8:32 pm
How was your weekend Joe?
Tal
9 Sep 12 at 8:33 pm
Steve, are gay bath houses smoke free venues?
Infidel Tiger
9 Sep 12 at 8:34 pm
Probably IT, I’ve never been to one. Thet may have an alfresco area as you suggested earlier.
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 8:37 pm
God I hope so IT,God forbid you smoke indoors
Tal
9 Sep 12 at 8:38 pm
Feebie
I’m responding to part of your comment :-
which presumably meant a world without prices. However even in barter there are imputed prices. Two rabbits equals one chicken and that sort of shit.
If you don’t like living in the modern world, Feebie then fuck off out bush in the depths of Taxmania. You won’t be missed.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 8:40 pm
I’ll tell you what is hilarious – the “safe injecting” room In Kings Cross is a smoke free venue! Heaven forbid you do something unhealthy.
Infidel Tiger
9 Sep 12 at 8:41 pm
A quick review of Anthony Green’s site reveals that many of the councils where Asian Australians live have jumped at the chance at voting for candidates labelled Liberal.
If I was a lefty troll I’d be angry as the politics of patronage kept together by envy and stoking racial animosity is coming unwound in NSW.
Token
9 Sep 12 at 8:45 pm
We have nothing to complain about much as our terms of trade went to a 150 record, our dollar rose which meant we could buy lots of cheap imports and our relative living standard rose to one of the highest in the world.
There was a sudden huge increase in demand for commodities brought on the 100′s of million of people joining the middle class around the world. The spike in commodity prices was as a result of that. And yes prices did exactly what they were supposed to do, provide the signal to raise output to meet increasing demand.
Since WW2 the only real players in the world economy has been the West plus Japan, now thankfully that has changed.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 8:45 pm
Lol.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 8:46 pm
So much for major issues.
Goodnight.
blogstrop
9 Sep 12 at 8:50 pm
Splatacrobat, are those activities restricted to homosexual sex?
SteveC, what part of “can include but not restricted to” did you not understand?
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 8:50 pm
Tal, it was good. Did some pleasant stuff on Saturday.. i actually joined wifey buy some food at the Prahan market. Newish experience for me.
Watched a good couple of chapters in a Danish series last night called The Bridge.
Today went for a 2 hour walk and then had lunch on the way home at the Botanical overlooking the gardens.
Had dinner at home with the in-laws and earlier went to see parents which is always tension filled. My mother has forgotten where she hid her jewelry and now can’t find it.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 8:51 pm
oops 150 year record…
JC
9 Sep 12 at 8:52 pm
They such hypocrites.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 8:56 pm
No. The study showed conclusively that homosexuals died up to 20 years earlier than heterosexuals.
So that’s a fact. But it’s not a lynchpin study.
The CDC and the WHO have concluded (unsurprisingly) that sodomy is driving an epidemic of AIDS, syphilis and anal cancer. Homosexuality kills.
These are the facts.
So again we return to Jim Wallace.
Why does the governement condemn smoking but celebrate the massively dangerous habit of sodomy?
Why, for that matter, does a retired SAS commando have to put up with being legally threated by the Greens – a party that subscribes, inter alia, to communism (history’s most murderous ideology) and anti-Jewish exterminationism?
GO!
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 8:57 pm
DavidLeyonhjelm @ 6:05 pm
Congrats to the LDP
Grigory Potemkin
9 Sep 12 at 8:58 pm
DavidLeyonhjelm @ 6:05 pm
Congrats to the LDP
Grigory Potemkin
9 Sep 12 at 8:59 pm
Just a reminder: Monty the ostentatious spokesman for tolerance and modernity has called for all public servants living with depressive illness to be sacked.
He also refuses to deny backing Green calls for Wallace to be prosecuted – up to and including a jail term.
‘Libertarian’ Jarrah – a retired Bushitler critic who nowadays runs silent on Gitmo and illegal wars for oil – has also stood silent on the Greens’ threats.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 9:01 pm
Dangph
remind me about the economic vandalism of this (and every ALP government)
“Gillard, Swan and a highly paid army of government consultants and spin doctors are spending hundreds of millions in a desperate attempt to make the public believe they have run a good government.
If the story of financial vandalism is not sufficient evidence to the contrary, there is also the global competitiveness index score card released this week by the World Economic Forum.
This group, which ranks 144 nations, found Australia slipped down the ladder in a number of crucial areas in the four years from 2007-08 to 2012-2013.
In terms of wastefulness of government spending, we went from 10th place to 48, in terms of the burden of government regulation, we dropped from 68 to 96. Transparency – from 12 to 29, government effectiveness – 5 to 18, government debt – 16 to 30, flexibility of wage determination – 87 to 125, labour market efficiency – 13 to 42, hiring and firing practices – 63 to 120, pay and productivity – 40 to 80.
This is the scorecard of a nation that is going backward”
oil shrill of Brisbane
9 Sep 12 at 9:04 pm
CL
Notice how even using an electric cow prod these lefties remain silent on finkelsteing the media, Cl… These lovers of freedom and herman’s rights.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 9:06 pm
Tal, I know you hate pandies but do you have any sympathy for this poor old poley?
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 9:11 pm
The Leg-over Man steps in.
H B Bear
9 Sep 12 at 9:12 pm
For those gays that do defy the odds, Ned lobbies for a gay only retirement village .
Splatacrobat
9 Sep 12 at 9:14 pm
Emerson?
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 9:14 pm
Interesting…
Flashback: Gallup Had Carter Up 4 Points Over Ronald Reagan in September 1980.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 9:16 pm
What’s this? Grigory congratulating the party that has support for assisted suicide and gay adoption on its website? And wants government out of marriage, so that gay marriage will be quite on the cards.
I don’t think Grigory has been paying attention….
steve from brisbane
9 Sep 12 at 9:18 pm
CL
The Reuters poll has always been skewed towards the Kenyan.
See here;
no biggie
The average in heir polls has been 5.7 pro the Kenyan as per than link.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 9:20 pm
My last comment was in relation to the 47/43 pro kenyan header on Drudge.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 9:21 pm
CL, hopefully you saw the interview with Nigella on Ch. 7′s Sunday Night? Confirmed for me why, next to Mrs TBH, she is the greatest woman living today. She’s completely unrepentant about living a life full of good things and pleasure. Bravo.
tbh
9 Sep 12 at 9:26 pm
Splat, you didn’t have to go and do that now.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 9:29 pm
tbh, I caught. She is wonderful, isn’t she.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 9:30 pm
No, TBH. I missed it!
I’ll dial it up on 7′s site later to see the Gloriously Plumpacious One.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 9:35 pm
That was hilarious! My God the woman at Sun City was polite.
Se’s lost a stack of weight CL. Down to a size 12 I believe. Still sporting some fantastic fun bags though.
Infidel Tiger
9 Sep 12 at 9:38 pm
LOL: Bligh predicts bleak future for Queensland.
Good.
RTWT and note that Bligh doesn’t once apologise for wrecking the state.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 9:39 pm
I’m watching the congressional voting as Intrade notes 90% the republicans will control the house and 53% they will control the house.
What is the chance of that occurring while Obama gets elected president?
Are the people keen on more gridlock government?
<a href=" Interesting… Flashback: Gallup Had Carter Up 4 Points Over Ronald Reagan in September 1980. Stories like this are not going to stay hidden across the campaign – and Obama looks like the impediment to getting a resolution.
Token
9 Sep 12 at 9:40 pm
IT, she’s still gorgeous as far as I’m concerned. The weight loss hasn’t made her any less sexy as far as I’m concerned.
tbh
9 Sep 12 at 9:43 pm
Yep. This is why I’m not an Intrade disciple like our own beloved Snic.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 9:44 pm
” Kant routinely went for an afternoon walk at the same time everyday. This was as much a part of his identify as his sexual orientation,”
Kant was gay. I find that ironic.
Big Jim
9 Sep 12 at 9:47 pm
Americans do like split government though.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 9:50 pm
Watch the polling in Florida keenly in the coming weeks is my tip.
News is the the Sheldon Adelson backed Super PAC has picked up the footage of the delegates booing the motion to put God & Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel onto the party platform. The footage of the Arab American delegation’s protests will not play well in the swing states he’ll be targeting.
Token
9 Sep 12 at 9:50 pm
d-b at 8:50, this part
“if they explained to say a class of 12 year olds that homosexual sex can include but not restricted to:”
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 9:51 pm
“The study showed conclusively that homosexuals died up to 20 years earlier than heterosexuals.”
Thus proving that you don’t even understand what you hope to rely on.
Jarrah
9 Sep 12 at 9:55 pm
Jarrah, you’re punchie again.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 9:58 pm
No CL, those are not the facts, and you repeating it over and over does not make it a fact. And anyone who bothers to check will know how wrong you are. Promiscuity and unprotected sex are high risk factors for HIV/AIDS. In fact if you are so concerned, you should support gay marriage. A monogamous homosexual realtionship is very unlikely to result in AIDS, syphilis and anal cancer. About as unlikely as a monogamous heterosexual realtionship. But I don’t expect your prejudice will ever let you see that.
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 9:59 pm
The first 2 segments of the Bolt Report today were the best he’s done in a while.
It is stunning that the Stenographers just blithely ignore all the warnings of China slowing because Labor is playing pathetic politics of envy.
Token
9 Sep 12 at 10:05 pm
“Jarrah, you’re punchie again.”
Says the guy who’s taken so many hits in this thread, he can’t remember what he cited to begin with:
It was a prediction, heavily contingent on what turned out to be transient factors.
Jarrah
9 Sep 12 at 10:06 pm
I don’t know who’s worse the trolls or those fucking feeding them. Seriously a day’s discussion of ass-fucking at the Cat? Worst open thread ever.
Nanuestalker
9 Sep 12 at 10:13 pm
LOL.
No, the facts are that homosexual people die earlier than heterosexual people and that sodomy, specifically, is inherently dangerous – condoms or no.
It is also a habit – like smoking.
Moreoever, there is presently an epidemic of STDs in the homosexual community according to the CDC and a growing homosexual-caused crisis in Asia.
These are the facts.
So Wallace’s point was a sound one.
Telling him to shut up or supporting the extremist Greens’ demand that he be prosecuted won’t alter those facts or the soundness of his argument.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 10:18 pm
Nanu, you may want to check when and who started the discussion.
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 10:23 pm
CL’s new gravatar
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 10:27 pm
Does it make any difference?
Nanuestalker
9 Sep 12 at 10:27 pm
I guess it depends on your definition of trolls.
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 10:28 pm
LOL see, typical lefty – they never ever take responsibility for their own actions. “But but he made me do it”.
Gab
9 Sep 12 at 10:29 pm
if they explained to say a class of 12 year olds that homosexual sex can include but not restricted to
Yes, so if those activities are not restricted to homosexual sex than they may also be a part of heterosexual sex. It’s quite straightforward.
In fact if you are so concerned, you should support gay marriage.
Except, they are not looking for monogamous marriage, SteveC. Monogomish, at best, still promiscuous at worst. This is actually-existing homosexuality, and yet you, for instance, continue to speak about homosexuality per se.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 10:29 pm
San Francisco University, reported by the New York Times, studied monogamy in homosexual ‘marriages.’
How awfully convenient.
Any other distractions?
Monty said heterosexual sex was no longer necessary and SteveC claimed that homosexual ‘monogamy’ – and hence homosexual health – will be safeguarded by gay ‘marriage.’
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 10:33 pm
Actually, this argument started because of a public campaign against Wallace and the ACL launched by the gay lobby and prosecuted in part by the MSM arising from his response to a question at a debate.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 10:40 pm
Let’s draw a line under this discussion.
PROPOSITION: That Jim Wallace was fully justified in questioning why the state celebrates homosexuality while denouncing cigarette smoking.
COUNTER-PROPOSITION: “Because shut up.”
STATUS OF WALLACE PROPOSITION: True.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 10:41 pm
d-b you are being silly.
homosexual sex can include but [is] not restricted to. Splat left out the “is”.
In that sentence homosexual sex is the subject, and the activities are the object. You can’t simply swap them aroud and say it meant the activities are not restricted to homosexual sex.
And if you did the sentence would become
If they explained to say a class of 12 year olds that sex acts can include but not restricted to: anal penetration with the partner’s penis or penile shaped object, oral sex, and felching I’m sure they will think very carefully about which orifice they intend to play with in their future years.
Which would probably horify most 12 year olds!
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 10:42 pm
hahaha!
Let’s draw a line under this discussion.
sounds a lot like “Because shut up” !
SteveC
9 Sep 12 at 10:44 pm
I wouldn’t have raised it but for the fact that a former SAS commando and Christian is being denounced on moral grounds by slush fund maestro Julia Gillard and threatened with prosecution – and conceivably imprisonment – by a political party that supports the extermination of Israel.
All libertarians must defend to the death Wallace’s right to say what he said.
It so happens that he has a very solid argument.
If you won’t defend him, you’re totalitarian scum – or a collaborater with same.
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 10:49 pm
I’m not convinced of that. The mortality data you cite may just be a result of the AIDS epidemic.
dd
9 Sep 12 at 10:49 pm
The onward march of the Left:
Born This Way: Sympathy and Science for Those Who Want to Have Sex with Children
JamesK
9 Sep 12 at 10:50 pm
Sure. No argument there.
However, in combatting the nanny state, this tactic of rhetorically calling for equivalent campaigns against homosexuality is counterproductive and confusing. It doesn’t clarify the issues, it muddies them and introduces a new, highly emotive and frankly tangential angle.
dd
9 Sep 12 at 10:52 pm
I perhaps could have more precisely said “‘ironically’ calling for equivalent campaigns”… but whatever.
dd
9 Sep 12 at 10:54 pm
It will be a struggle between Bligh and Gillard as to who will assume the Emilys List mantle as the new Joan Kirner. Naturally complete failure in office is a pre-requisite, coupled with no realistic employment prospects and a desire to help women into politics where your failure has made this more difficult. They both have a strong claim.
Gillard’s desperation to out-Gough Gough will probably get her home.
H B Bear
9 Sep 12 at 10:54 pm
I really didn’t need to read that, James. Thanks… not.
dd
9 Sep 12 at 10:56 pm
And as a roughie – Ted Baillieu in drag.
H B Bear
9 Sep 12 at 10:59 pm
d-b you are being silly.
No. The presence or absence of “is” doesn’t change the subject. We can readily see it was a mistake in expression. The subject is homosexual sex, which he says “includes but [is] not restricted to” x, y, z. You’re simply looking for an excuse to not say: Hmmm, yes, you’re right; sorry.
dover_beach
9 Sep 12 at 11:01 pm
Closing paragraph:
JamesK
9 Sep 12 at 11:11 pm
Supporters of civilian-killing war criminal Breaker Morant still at it.
This time, with help from David Hicks’s lawyer.
WTF?
C.L.
9 Sep 12 at 11:15 pm
Serial story teller and Labor luvvie doubles down on her “abbott punched a wall near me – but despite me telling this story many times to various interviewers and never mentioning” story.
Abbott and accuser revive old university stoush
Erm except in the 2004 Sun Herald article where she made no mention of it at all.
Oh how convenient.
http://www.news.com.au/national/abbott-and-accuser-revive-old-university-stoush/story-fndo4bst-1226468101843
twostix
9 Sep 12 at 11:27 pm
Hey the unions or whoever have been running an ad against Can Do on Brisbane radio saying that he lied because he said there would be no forced redundancies and now they are cutting 20 000 jobs. Is anyone aware of any forced redundancies? Also I am guessing this is a lead up to the federal election as a state election is a long way off he only just got there. I predict there will be a scare campaign in QLD saying that Abbott will be the same as Newman. If this does happen I hope most people will react like me and say hey thats great.
kelly liddle
9 Sep 12 at 11:30 pm
A forced redundancy in the Public Service meaning a big fit payout.
Oh no, weep for the newly defined “working man” – the public servant.
twostix
9 Sep 12 at 11:49 pm
Fat slob, Lenore Taylor on Insiders this morning was suggesting that it’s hypocritical of people who think the story about the Lying Slapper’s misdeeds helping to embezzle money is important while the story about Abbott isn’t.
Le Snore left out the bit that even if it was true what Abbott did it wasn’t illegal and he didn’t help a crook embezzle funds.
JC
9 Sep 12 at 11:59 pm
Kelly
The coalition have already they are going to fire around 12,000 ALP servants. It’s already baked in. You can now stop worrying and get back to driving the cab safely.
JC
10 Sep 12 at 12:00 am
Abbott punched a wall?
Am I missing something here?
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 12:02 am
d-b , you may see that. I note splat at no point attempted to clarify. You think you know what he meant, and you may be right, but it’s not what he said, which is why I asked the question.
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 12:05 am
CL, he was young and naive.
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 12:05 am
SteveC believes punching a wall ranks equally with assisting in the embezzlement of 500K.
Kimberly and I agree, SteveC and conclude Punching a wall is in fact worse.
JC
10 Sep 12 at 12:10 am
Never mind an illegal strike that shuts down Melbourne’s CBD, have a look at this email…
SKY’S Australian Agenda yesterday:
PAUL Kelly: This was an illegal blockade. It was against the law. So I ask you again, are you prepared to criticise what happened?
Paul Howes: No Paul because . . .
Kelly: Why?
Howes: Because . . .
Kelly: Why?
Howes: Because Paul, I am accountable to the members of my union and . . .
Kelly: But you’re a national union leader.
Howes: And . . .
Kelly: You can’t just duck the question by saying that.
Howes: And what we have had here . . . is a situation where my understanding is agreements were made and then the employer went back on those agreements. Now, I have a policy in our union, if we have court orders against us, if we have injunctions put against us, we’ll comply with that. Ultimately . . .
Kelly: But did that justify the union activity?
Howes: Ultimately . . .
Kelly: I mean, did that justify what the unions did?
Howes: Ultimately, unions are accountable to their members and I am accountable to the members of the AWU. The leadership of the CFMEU are accountable to the membership of the CFMEU. And it’s very easy to sit on the sidelines during an industrial dispute and pretend to know that you have all the knowledge of what’s occurred there. I don’t know what happened during that dispute . . .
Kelly: So you think this illegal blockade might have been justified?
Howes: No, what I’m saying Paul is that it’s not my role as the head of one particular union to lecture the actions of other particular unions . . . I’m not going to get into the business of lecturing them . . .
Ben Butler and Ben Schneiders, The Saturday Age, August 4:
MR Howes last week filed a defamation lawsuit against Mr Purvinas, the federal secretary of the 3200-member Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association, over an angry email sent to union leaders.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 12:15 am
JamesK, what is your actual objection to that article?
The theme to me seemed to be this:
In other words, if you can’t beat pedophiles, it’s best to try and help them help themselves.
Sure we could execute all convicted pedophiles, but that won’t stop future pedophiles or do anything about unconvicted pedophiles. The article was discussing ways that are being investigated to actually prevent the problem.
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 12:16 am
Part of the campaign to paint Abbott as misogynist and a petulant reaction to the Wilson scandal investigation.
Ivan Denisovich
10 Sep 12 at 12:28 am
He never punched a wall, she’s lying and this is yet another ratcheting up of the disturbing Labor-Media “get abbott” complex that has evolved since 2010.
Where because Gillard finally, despite the entire media refusing for years to touch it, had to answer some soft questions about her criminal associating and enabling past, parts of the media feel they must now, at any cost, find or fabricate an “equivalent” story for Tony Abbott.
Note that it’s widely known that the story was covered word for word before in the first of many “serious” looks at Abbott’s student politics by the SMH back in 2004. Yet the woman never mentioned this most serious accusation in any of her interview then or since, ever.
It is of course a self defeating behaviour for the media and the PMO’s office to fluff these sorts of stories. Because now that Abbott’s student political days – and what his political enemeies say about them are “relevant”, so are Gillards.
Let’s start with the AUS and under gillards leadership it coming out and calling married women “prostitutes”.
twostix
10 Sep 12 at 12:31 am
What Howes was trying to say was that union leaders are not bound by the law if the membership disagrees with the courts. The behavior of the Unions is abhorrent and criminal. They think they are above the law because the police allow them to ignore the courts.
John Comnenus
10 Sep 12 at 12:32 am
investigationquestionsIvan Denisovich
10 Sep 12 at 12:32 am
JC
I am informed the ranks like Heritage or Waterfront are quieter than before because the State servants mustn’t be working overtime and catching cabs on the gov tab I guess. Aren’t you saddened by the Austerity hitting the cab drivers?
kelly liddle
10 Sep 12 at 12:36 am
Really? Gillard believed married women were prostitutes?
What does that make an unmarried woman who wrecks other women’s marriages?
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 12:37 am
What does that make an unmarried woman who wrecks other women’s marriages?
A pathetic low-life byatch.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 12:41 am
They are above the law if the police allow them to ignore the courts.
As I’ve said before, the Victorian Police Commissioner should be sacked and his replacement ordered to uphold the law. A law should also be passed that carries criminal prosecution for any commissioner who refuses to uphold a court’s industrial orders on work sites.
Look, JC’s call on Victoria was probably his best. It was a disaster that Ballieu won. Victorians needed more pain and disaster under Labor to prep them for a transformation led by a no bullshit Liberal leader.
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 12:42 am
Of course she is. There was another one who only the other day said he touched her behind.
However, as far as I know hitting a wall isn’t a legal offense… yet anyways, although SteveC seems to think it’s about on par to embezzlement.
JC
10 Sep 12 at 12:46 am
What does that make an unmarried woman who wrecks other women’s marriages?
A common trollop.
A lying slapper.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 12:50 am
China could be a really hard landing folks.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/business/story/2012/09/9/china-factory-output-weakest-in-3-years-in-august/57713812/1
If it is I’m backing a $70 billion budget deficit.
JC
10 Sep 12 at 12:53 am
OK, Gab.
I got it.
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 12:54 am
Who was the President of the Australian Union of Students when it collapsed in 1984? Julia, that’s who. She has a great track record and is a rooly, rooly good negoshiator.
Fisky
10 Sep 12 at 12:54 am
http://newsweekly.com.au/article.php?id=4346
At the time the AUS’s official position was also that:
Gillard was president of an organization that thought all men are rapists.
twostix
10 Sep 12 at 12:56 am
First rate charmer, isn’t she?
JC
10 Sep 12 at 12:59 am
But but she was young and naive.
JC
10 Sep 12 at 1:00 am
Looks like Gillard has succeeded in shutting down Pickering’s facebook page.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 1:04 am
I love the smell of a rotting carcass in the morning.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/councillors-vow-to-put-business-into-byron/story-e6frg6nf-1226468557510
If the slime is on the nose in Byron it could even start to stink in places like Fitzroy, although I could be optimistic here.
So Mad Dog Bob jumped as this ship was about to sink leaving another woman in charge. What is it with the leftwing leaving their women to pick up all the turds on the lawn?
JC
10 Sep 12 at 1:06 am
Those independents again.
JC
10 Sep 12 at 1:09 am
All men exercise the threat of rape, ranging from subtle appeals to a woman’s mistaken sense of obligation…
What the hell does that mean?
What about moving from a neck massage to canoodling-with-intent? Rape?
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 1:10 am
That must have been her bull dyke period.
JC
10 Sep 12 at 1:11 am
O’Farrell is being an idiot here. This is a portent for federal Labor, not NSW Labor…
Change in the air as Libs take over Labor strongholds.
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 1:14 am
China could be a really hard landing folks.
JC You were being sarcastic right or are you on the turps?
kelly liddle
10 Sep 12 at 1:14 am
SAY, HOW COME WE’RE NOT HEARING ABOUT GREEN PARTY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE JILL STEIN?
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 1:16 am
Are stevec and kelly related?
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 1:17 am
Not so far as I know Gab (assuming I am the kelly). Why do you ask?
kelly liddle
10 Sep 12 at 1:19 am
So she believed Emerson and Wilson were threatening to rape her?
Ivan Denisovich
10 Sep 12 at 1:22 am
And Mathieson?
Ivan Denisovich
10 Sep 12 at 1:24 am
No Kelly, I’m being serious.. The trend seems to be inexorably down and the PMI still continues to show fairly significant contraction.
This isn’t a 1 month play you idiot. It could suggest a hard landing into next year.
JC
10 Sep 12 at 1:31 am
No this is really freaking cool.
http://video.theaustralian.com.au/2277205976/Lamborgini-parking-prob-no-worries?area=videoindex16
JC
10 Sep 12 at 1:36 am
JC
China primarily supplies goods to the world not the OECD and the world economy is going along at a nice clip with the OECD being the smaller share of the world economy. If you insist on investing in the US (one year is only a play) invest in US companies that are supplying to the same markets as China. That is to people moving out of poverty. China can supply goods like toothbrushes and basic cosmetics. The US supplies relatively cheap food goods and things like soap and toothpaste that are not affordable to the people in absolute poverty, think Heinz, Coca Cola, Colgate Palmolive if they are at the right PE. I still like my Thailand as it is easier and more open than China. The issue with both Thailand and China is that their wages are now much higher than countries like Bangladesh, Cambodia and India so labour intensive products like clothing they are now high cost producers so there is a need for them to move slightly up the value chain.
kelly liddle
10 Sep 12 at 1:45 am
Kelly
Until the trend turns up in China I’m not changing my mind. I’ve caught far too many falling knives in my life to start doing that again. Unless the trend changes I’m going with a hard landing.
JC
10 Sep 12 at 1:49 am
The shanghai composite is at the 2009 lows (just off). This is very ungood Kelly. Despite all the stuff they through at it the stock market is predicting a hard landing.
JC
10 Sep 12 at 1:53 am
oops… threw at it like the enormous fiscal stimulus
JC
10 Sep 12 at 1:54 am
LOL
It’s the ‘experts’ SteveC, you utter moron:
Imagine a world in which admitting your attraction to busty women or tall men led to alienation, jail time, or your murder. Older gay men can probably remember such an era, but nowadays most sexual appetites have been mainstreamed to the point of banality. Pedophiles, for obvious reasons, don’t enjoy the same kind of tolerance, and thus it seems as if they may be locked forever in a sexual prison from the moment they’re born.
To a leftist expert paedohilia is no different to blokes who like women with big norks
Dr. James Cantor is the Head of Research in the Sexual Behaviours Clinic at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, Canada’s largest mental health and teaching hospital. He’s also an associate professor of psychiatry at the University of Toronto’s school of medicine. He’s been working on better understanding pedophiles for about 12 years now using a variety of methods. In the Kurt Freund Phallometric Lab, Cantor and his colleagues can attach an instrument to sex offenders’ penises in order to gauge their responses to a variety of sexually charged images. The Freund lab, Cantor tells me during a phone call last week, is one of the few in the world that can measure increases in penis volume rather than just increases in circumference.
steveC, the ‘expert’ can measure volume ans not just circumference of the penis and as a result the ‘expewrt’ thinks paedophiles are born that way (translation: it’s not their responsibility)
Imagine that SteveC not just the circumference during tumescence and de-tumescence but the volume on the way up and on the way down as well.
Wow eh? Eh? Real science!
Here’s a thought SteveC:
The only way to stop paedophilia is to stop paedopliles abusing children as all paedophile offenders were themselves victims of childhood abuse.
And paedophile abuse is generally post natal, SteveC.
I fucking loathe leftist ‘experts’ who write long dissertations on why black is white and up is down.
Lefists have destroyed academia, pedagogy, the arts, rational debate and much more besides.
And fools like you lap it up.
JamesK
10 Sep 12 at 1:54 am
I will counter you with the S+P 500 is predicting better times ahead with the pe ratio rising and much above that of China. Remembering that the S+P 500 makes the majority of their earnings outside the US. So one market must be wrong or else the US market is only predicting a collapse in the USD. Whichever market if you are not investing in companies that make most of their earnings overseas I suspect you will not do well in AUD terms. Also taking into account the higher wages in China coupled with improved stability in other lower wage countries.
kelly liddle
10 Sep 12 at 2:21 am
Ahmadinejad to address UN on Yom Kippur
Western leaders’ speeches at General Assembly this year expected to focus on Iranian, Syrian issues. PM Netanyahu to speak day after Iranian president
JamesK
10 Sep 12 at 2:45 am
Public service redundancies can be wonderful things.
For starters, you’ll probably get 3 weeks pay per year of service.
Then they might add 1-3 months of “hush money” to make you go quietly.
All of that is taxed at a very low rate (5% if I remember correctly?)
So someone who has stuck around for 10 years will get up to 42 weeks pay, taxed at almost nothing.
On top of that, you’ll then get all your accumulated leave and long service leave paid out. This is taxed at normal rates, but it could take your total payout up to 60 weeks pay.
I know a bloke who was paid out less than a year before retirement. He had been there 40 years. He laughed all the way to the bank.
Newman might have learned something by making them forced – when you make redundancy voluntary, all the good, hard working pubes that can make it on the outside take the money and run. Forced redundancies at least allow you to throw out the trash.
boy on a bike
10 Sep 12 at 6:03 am
the detail of the QPS redundancies are:
two weeks pay for every year of service, plus a 12 week bonus if you agree to leave now. if you elect to not leave, and go in the pool for any jobs that come up, you lose the 12 week bonus. You are in the pool for four months, after which you might be redundant anyway.
Of the payout, the first $8,909 is tax free, plus an additional $4400 or so for every year of service.
The remainder is taxed at 15% if you are under 55.
finally, you get your entitlements (rec leave and LSL) taxed at the normal rate, and there is some sort of super arrangements i am not too clear on.
Not many private sector jobs offer that. I know some people regarded as key staff who are leaving because they are close to retirement and the payments let them leave earlier. In fact it was in their interest to do so. Others leaving because they want to do something different. People that put their hand up are always preferable.
I am also aware of people that get the tap on the shoulder, not for any performance reason, but just because the numbers require it. The Newman government hasn’t looked at it holistically, every department has pretty much the same cut (the clear exception is the Office of Climate Change). This means that areas that had no love under the ALP, and in fact were worn down during their reign, are undergoing even more pain.
Some of these people have put in decades of dedicated service. It is not good. If you are in your late fifties and have a swarm of kids, a mortgage and have become rather specialised in your career, it would be very worrying. The redundancy gives these people a very good chance, but all the same it is an outcome very different to what they had planned for their career.
it is also true that some people are tapped on the shoulder because they are lesser performers. Better them that someone who pulls their weight. But the numbers are such that even good workers get tapped, and how do prospective employers know the difference?
entropy
10 Sep 12 at 7:03 am
Good Lord. Biden makes out with bikie chick at campaign stop.
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 7:30 am
Bolt is reporting that misogynist nutjob Rudd is again counting numbers for a challenge.
CL, that image is very disturbing. Expressions on the biker dudes faces don’t look too friendly. Look like they want to take the old perv out the back for some cultural awareness sessions.
Keith
10 Sep 12 at 8:07 am
Why are we surprised the Stenographers, many who will be pensioned off after the next election, are campaigning on this for Labor?
M0nty made it clear a couple of weeks ago that for the Labor Left that wild accusations about Abbott which have no documentary backing will be thrown out in response to the bucket loads of documentary evidence that as a “young & naive” lawyer Gillard helped her boyfriend set up a “SLUSH FUND” in contravention of WA state law, then was silent about it once fraud was detected.
After leaving FauxFacts with a fat payout, Labor troll Misha Schubert has come out of the cold and is lobbying for the left:
Token
10 Sep 12 at 8:15 am
This was the takeout from the council elections. Labor’s patronage system is breaking down in Sydney’s immigrant communities.
Though Baz is failing on a lot of reform, he is doing a good job in enticing the entrepreneurs in those communities to join the conservatives.
Token
10 Sep 12 at 8:21 am
Following the link, Obama finds a new way to look effeminate.
Token
10 Sep 12 at 8:29 am
Regarding the local council elections in NSW, this is the first time in my adult life I’ve never had to vote in them.
Be thankful for small mercies – although it would have been nice to be able to vote against those laybore/greenslime BDS dirtbags in Albansleazeyville.
Now bring on the ACT gubberment elections…
Rabz
10 Sep 12 at 8:30 am
Get these loathsome, parasitic scumbags “off the public’s tits”, thanks, Yabbott!
What a fucking disgrace…
Rabz
10 Sep 12 at 8:33 am
Hello, what have we here?
Lobotomised NSW greenslime dirtbag:
Yes, yes, it is. But, don’t forget, just keep talking, genius.
Rabz
10 Sep 12 at 8:37 am
Bleak’s view on the greenslime’s travails…
Rabz
10 Sep 12 at 8:39 am
The Luv Meeja continues to rush to support David Marr’s fabrications. Bruce Guthrie on ABC 774 (holiday cover for Labor shill Jon Faine) is speaking to Marr this morning.
Cold-Hands
10 Sep 12 at 8:45 am
Breaking News: We now have photographic confirmation of Obama’s attendance at Columbia.
dover_beach
10 Sep 12 at 9:09 am
David Marr talking on RN this morning “I am fascinated by Tony Abbott”. David was quite nice about Tony.
alan
10 Sep 12 at 9:12 am
Breitbart & Eastwood live on!
Token
10 Sep 12 at 9:19 am
ACT liar’s party are not numerate. Big surprise.
A donation from the Liar’s party property trust not declared, but subsequently found.
And of course the same idiot responsible is trying to cover and defect with a smear on a liberal. The liar’s party only have one tactic in the playbook.
Keith
10 Sep 12 at 9:22 am
David Marr would present himself for anyone who would have him at the ALPBC.
H B Bear
10 Sep 12 at 9:29 am
Centre Left Identity Paul Macartny receives Legion of Honour from other Lefty, Francois Hollande. Now that’s news!
alan
10 Sep 12 at 9:33 am
The point of the Abbott story is not to damage Abbott, but to force him and others to defend the story by
a) claiming it happened a long time ago
b) pointing out that these are unsubstantiated allegations
c) explaining that these and similar allegations have all been dealt with before.
Then, the love media can say, “Look, see? It goes both ways. Unsubstantiated allegations have been made against both our leaders”
dd
10 Sep 12 at 9:35 am
Tubbsy Milne has a few problems this morning. It turns out people don’t actually like a ratbag collection of tree huggers, communists, ex teacher union reps and fruit loops.
H B Bear
10 Sep 12 at 9:36 am
Possible translation: I’m going to write a book about him.
dd
10 Sep 12 at 9:42 am
The country is in good hands.The Goose is in charge today.
Just go about your usual business.
H B Bear
10 Sep 12 at 9:44 am
dd, you have unmasked them.
dover_beach
10 Sep 12 at 9:45 am
entropy – the QLD public service sloths grew in number by 3.4% pa cumulatively over the 10 years to 2011. Population grew 2.1% pa. Where is the justification, the good sense in that?
There is just one year in which otherwise unemployable trough feeder numbers did not exceed population growth.
They ought to fall to their knees and give thanks that they got away with shuffling about doing nothing worthwhile, unnoticed, for a whole decade. Are they that moronic that they thought it would never end?
“it would be very worrying”??? Turn it up! – now they join the real world in which most other people must demonstrably contribute to a profit in order to keep their jobs.
Mick Gold Coast QLD
10 Sep 12 at 9:54 am
Are they that moronic that they thought it would never end?
Why yes, apparently the taxpayer owes them a living.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 9:57 am
Julie Novak:
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 10:03 am
Novak’s lumping the three states in together is a bit misleading. Newman is making substantial cuts in Queensland, while NSW and Victoria are dithering and tinkering at the edges.
dd
10 Sep 12 at 10:08 am
Exactly.
And they do it all the time since that UK reject and serial loser Mcternan because Gillards chief media adivser.
Craig Thompson – Sophie Mirabella
Craig Thompson – Jo Fisher
Both were similar (failed) attempts at building an “equivalence” narrative.
twostix
10 Sep 12 at 10:18 am
Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/opinion/political-news/regions-do-tariffs-deal-on-goods-to-help-environment-20120909-25mgq.html#ixzz261NMjLwk
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 10:30 am
It’s official. Not voting for Obama means you’re racist.
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world/race-issue-returns-to-us-politics/story-e6frfkui-1226470650856
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 10:46 am
Give Hamish McSporran a break. He hasn’t got much to work with.
H B Bear
10 Sep 12 at 10:50 am
@entropy:
Of course we all care about families that lose their income. When families lose income, they lose certainty, and all sorts of other problems arise.
But the problem with your words is that it assumes that public servants are the only ones getting sacked. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. Public sector job losses are a tiny fraction of the private sector job losses and business closures – and the private sector people don’t get fat payouts.
I personally know someone in the building industry who had their business collapse in the last couple of years. He then took up a job in the mining industry – fair enough – but just as soon as he was established there, along comes idiotic government regulations + taxes, combined with militant union activity, and the mining company decides to close the mine.
No 12 week payouts, no other service – not even a refund on the 12 weeks of forward airline bookings made.
So by all means, shed a tear for the public servants who are out on their rears. But only if a flood of tears is also shed for those people who have had their livelihoods destroyed by bad government policies.
brc
10 Sep 12 at 10:55 am
Smartest president eveh.
Obama Pulls a Biden, Tells Audience, “Three Proud Words – Made in the USA!” (Video).
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 11:05 am
Romney leads electoral vote race 317 to 179.
Two words: wow!
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 11:10 am
Interesting review of “Twilight of the Elites: America After Meritocracy”, which looks like an interesting book
Mother Hubbard's Dog
10 Sep 12 at 11:11 am
Conservative cartoonist Gary McCoy actually makes the news on NBC for hammering America’s easiest girl, Sandra Fluke. ‘Offending’ cartoons and story.
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 11:16 am
Mmm. Looks like InTrade is being manipulated.
And very easy and cheap it is to do.
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 11:19 am
The faked rationale is never ending Gab – in your link some dill analyst/social worker / hand wringer comes up with a reason why it’s just sooooo unfair to Ozero. They invent a pseudo scientific name for everything they make up:
We don’t even know that we instinctively recognise a monkey in silk is a monkey no less!!!
Mick Gold Coast QLD
10 Sep 12 at 11:22 am
New at Quadrant Online:
Why Gonski is wrongski
James Franklin on the moral void that is Peter Singer
Off to London with 80 junketeering catastrophists
Roxon would turn her grandpa’s stomach
areff
10 Sep 12 at 11:27 am
More on abbott punchgate.
Three weeks ago sydney criminal lawyer Chris Murphy and Vexnews had an interesting exchange on Twitter:
He then says this to Vexnews who accuse him of defamation:
“Interviewed”? “released the news”? A criminal lawyer “released the news” after he “interviewed” her?
Let’s recall that three weeks ago was the height of Gillard’s scandal.
A diversion that misfired the first time? Coincidence?
https://twitter.com/vexnews/statuses/239243674976911361
twostix
10 Sep 12 at 11:28 am
That’s why I’m contrasting the vote to the House & Senate results.
For the Republicans to win the Senate there need to be a strong swing (as many of the seats are in purple or nominally blue states) so they can pick up 5 or so seats while keeping all those previously head, how could that happen if swing voters will back Obama?
Token
10 Sep 12 at 11:29 am
Australia’s least successful day trader is back?
H B Bear
10 Sep 12 at 11:36 am
A Reaganite landslide is in the offing.
dover_beach
10 Sep 12 at 11:37 am
Nice work, twostix.
Shame there are no journalists to look into this.
It’s against The Narrative, after all.
Was Chris Murphy commissioned to dig around?
By whom?
Was Ramjet paid? How much?
—————————————————-
Mmm. Just did some digging of my own.
https://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/im-the-victim-of-a-sexist-smear-campaign/
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 11:47 am
I notice the language in the trashy rags such as the SMH and the Aged blatantly accuse Abbott of the incident. Like it’s a foregone conclusion despite any evidence.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 11:54 am
Lobotomised leftists call for “fictional dog characters” to be banned in one, two, three seconds…
Rabz
10 Sep 12 at 12:00 pm
Seems like the Stenographers are leaving litigation landmines behind as they take their whopping payouts.
They know that if Abbott does sue, FauxFacts will be up for millions in compensation.
Like Schubert they’ll leave the problem behind as they jet off to an unsustainably high pay as they lobby for Labor in a gov funded QANGO.
It must be nice to be part of the luvvie 1%. They never lose.
Token
10 Sep 12 at 12:01 pm
They’ll be interviewing the wall next
Dan
10 Sep 12 at 12:02 pm
Fairfax rushes in propaganda resources to aid union thugs.
Tom
10 Sep 12 at 12:05 pm
The holes in the wall have been papered over now – it’s a cover up!!
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 12:05 pm
“I notice the language in the trashy rags such as the SMH and the Aged blatantly accuse Abbott of the incident. Like it’s a foregone conclusion despite any evidence.”
Tony Abbott should just sue David Marr, the Aged, whatever, for defamation. I wondering if he’s thinking about it, his family must be getting so sick of this stuff.
candy
10 Sep 12 at 12:06 pm
oops – “fictional dog characters” study meeja linky…
Rabz
10 Sep 12 at 12:06 pm
Yeah, they all say things like “he had no recollection of the incident”. They don’t say “alleged incident” or even “such an incident”. No journalistic standards.
Dangph
10 Sep 12 at 12:08 pm
I see more and more people being led around by dogs on leashes. These people have absolutely no hope of restraining the dog if the dog decides to chew a kiddie.
I instinctively pick up my littlies whenever we walk past some wimp with a large dog on a leash.
Pickles
10 Sep 12 at 12:08 pm
It turns out Chris Murphy is the same one who “defended” Matthew Newton.
I think this is potentially big. Why did a criminal celebrity lawyer “release” this news three weeks ago after he claimed to have “interviewed” Ramdaj twice? Is the story being shopped around? Was Ramdaj lawyering up or was she approached by him?
Somebody needs to ask him some serious questions of her and him.
Why did Vexnews not run with the story? They haven’t said a word about it since.
Tim Blair also noted that on the 20th of August an alternate version of the story was posted in the Crikey comments:
twostix
10 Sep 12 at 12:13 pm
Labor bumboy Phil Coorey confirms that ‘wallgate’ is a strategy designed to deflect allegations of professional misconduct and involvement in fraud against Gillard:
Totally fucking shameless.
Tom
10 Sep 12 at 12:14 pm
Show the braindead li’l twits the footage of shortarse trying to buy a pie – that’ll learn ‘em!
FFS, is there a more unctious lowlife in this country than f*cking chris furphy?
Rabz
10 Sep 12 at 12:16 pm
Yet not a single Fairfax journalist has asked that of Gillard!!!!
(okay, one did, but he lost his job)
Incredible.
dd
10 Sep 12 at 12:17 pm
The ABC and Fairfax seem thrilled with the endorsement of Cannabis by a local medical body, while in the UK Peter Hitchens has a totally different take:
blogstrop
10 Sep 12 at 12:21 pm
i wonder if j. Gillard’s person McTiernan or anthony albanese are behind the lies about Tony Abbott or facilitating it somehow, it seems like their modus operandi.
candy
10 Sep 12 at 12:22 pm
I’d say it’s a foregone conclusion – it’s stinks like the PM’s office.
twostix
10 Sep 12 at 12:27 pm
Michael Smith is using the free time Gillard arranged for him to have a wee look at one of Conroy’s dirty little secrets:
Token
10 Sep 12 at 12:28 pm
The betting markets used to a be a side-story, something to fill column inches. Then people started taking them as seriously as they do polling organisations.
The thing is:
1. Betting markets aren’t nearly as predictive as their urban legend makes out. None predicted a hung parliament in the last Federal election, for example, even though it was widely discussed in the run-up (which spawned the ‘there will be no…’ promise) in response to the coalition indicating that the greens would share balance of power, at least in the upper house.
2. Betting markets can be easily moved by money. Not saying it is happening, but the amount of money needed to shift the markets is peanuts compared to how much money is spent in campaigns. So while I’m not saying this is definitively happening, the simple fact that it is possible should relegate the betting markets back to novelty status, rather than predictive status.
brc
10 Sep 12 at 12:29 pm
Phil Coorey confirms that ‘wallgate’ is a strategy designed to deflect allegations of professional misconduct and involvement in fraud against Gillard
We really are dealing with scum here, make no mistake.
dover_beach
10 Sep 12 at 12:31 pm
Token
10 Sep 12 at 12:31 pm
Goodness me, who would ever do that?
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 12:31 pm
There are problem dog owners, for sure.
Still, I’ve always maintained that the greatest danger in a public park are the little thugs created from what I call iPhone-parenting. That’s where the parent lets the kids off the leash and then stares into an iPhone for a couple of hours. The kids get more and more destructive in a futile attempt to get their parents to lift their nose above the mobile facebook app.
brc
10 Sep 12 at 12:36 pm
Labor. The sycophantic Gillard-supporting journalists at Fairats.
Why haven’t you been paying attention?
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 12:36 pm
In my opinion, Candy, it has John McTernan’s fingerprints all over it. Note that the government troll has now arrived to distract and disinform.
Tom
10 Sep 12 at 12:37 pm
Yes, it will be interesting to see if the details for Michael Smith brings the others out to clog the thread.
Token
10 Sep 12 at 12:43 pm
Hey, I thought that was my job.
I’m not joining in on the topic until the funds arrive in my account for the sterling services I provided at the height of the AWU scandal discussion a few weeks back.
Has your’s already arrived SteveC?
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 12:47 pm
I’m sure if such an incident occurred back then there would have been a report in the uni paper.
dover_beach
10 Sep 12 at 12:47 pm
John McTeirnan, if your reading this, give up, it’s a lost cause. These comrades make Blair and Brown look like Nobel Laureates.
Dan
10 Sep 12 at 12:49 pm
Gordon Brown was a successful Treasurer and PM. If you overlook the bankrupting of the UK during this period.
Hang in there Hamish McSporran.
H B Bear
10 Sep 12 at 1:00 pm
A.Bolt
Vote with your bottoms people.
Rudiau
10 Sep 12 at 1:04 pm
A documentary on the above Qantas blog.
Rudiau
10 Sep 12 at 1:07 pm
I’m not joining in on the topic until the funds arrive in my account for the sterling services
sfb, I believe that Nanny Roxon is sending you a pair of her y-fronts.
dover_beach
10 Sep 12 at 1:08 pm
Tim Blair did an excellent job of poking Murphy with a stick a while back. I wish he would do it again.
Keith
10 Sep 12 at 1:12 pm
What? His plastic sex doll, Kimberly? He received that through the post ages ago, according to SteveC
JC
10 Sep 12 at 1:12 pm
The official denial from the troll merely confirms that he has received payment.
Keith
10 Sep 12 at 1:13 pm
I should contact Lewandowsky about the theories that float around here.
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 1:17 pm
I know it’s been posted here already, but Steyn really is on fire in the OC Register…
Rabz
10 Sep 12 at 1:27 pm
As posted by blogstrop:
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/piersakerman/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/swans_debt_dive_an_act_of_financial_vandalism/
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 1:30 pm
Mm-mmm.
I still rate Hungry Jacks’ Aussie Burger as the best over the counter burger money can buy.
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 1:45 pm
The Post Democratic era officially arrives:
NSW government wants the power to arrest people over internet comments the don’t like:
Weep.
Utterly fascist stuff from the NSW Libs, just breathtaking. Not to mention showing an extraordinary lack of understanding of how the Internet works.
How has it come to this?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/barry-ofarrell-to-help-federal-government-fight-twitter-trolls-after-farah-incident/story-e6frg6nf-1226470826868
twostix
10 Sep 12 at 1:46 pm
That Qantas/Henbury Station story is all the proof you need that leftism is literally an illness.
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 1:47 pm
I saw that, twostix.
The person who insulted Farrah’s deceased mother is scum.
Take as read.
O’Farrell’s reaction, however, almost matches it, scum-wise.
He and Ballieu are disgraceful clowns.
Of course they will be, you monumental idiot. They desperately want to ban blogospherical criticism.
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 1:52 pm
Please do. He’d be interested in you for his next survey of denialists. But will he pay as well as the liar’s party?
Keith
10 Sep 12 at 1:57 pm
I’m still on the phone in the conference call with Sussex St, getting the latest talking points down pat. The money is being wired through as I type.
m0nty
10 Sep 12 at 2:00 pm
689 Reasons to Defeat barack obama…
Rabz
10 Sep 12 at 2:02 pm
2 paddle pops and a signed pair of Roxon Jocks?
Dan
10 Sep 12 at 2:02 pm
This is a lie.
We know all cash transfers from slush funds take place either in bank cheques, personal cheques or paper bags full of money.
brc
10 Sep 12 at 2:04 pm
Hmmmmmm…
Per’aps I should phone my contacts in Sussex St and tell them what lousy value you are – oh, wait.
Rabz
10 Sep 12 at 2:04 pm
Agree CL re Aussie burger! Haven’t had one for a while …
blogstrop
10 Sep 12 at 2:05 pm
I have absolutley no doubt monty & sfb get paid by Labor or Unions to write crap on here, so it’s refreshing they admit it openly.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 2:07 pm
It’s about as likely as Sinc secretly getting paid by the tobacco companies, Gab.
m0nty
10 Sep 12 at 2:10 pm
I’m going to repeat what I said last year re the NBN. It will be used as the tool to enforce these sorts of laws without running foul of freedom of speech “rights”. Australian ISP’s will be required to accept terms of agreement that state that in order to peer with or resell access to the NBNco’s network they must abide by NBNCo’s policies regarding the flow of “offensive speech”, copyrighted material, “offensive material”, spam, viruses, worms and trojans across the network.
The argument will be “don’t like it, don’t use the NBN”, the problem is that the ALP have paid testra and optus to physically destroy their competing networks and to promise not to aggressively compete with wireless.
twostix
10 Sep 12 at 2:10 pm
@blogstrop that Hitchens article also has a piece on ‘dalek checkouts’ – a lame attempt at smearing automated checkout operations.
Customers like them in the same way they like ATMs. Fast, convenient, less prone to error and less waiting in line.
Anyone who complains about machines replacing humans should not:
1) drive a car
2) watch television
3) use a computer
4) operate a microwave
Instead they should spend a day dictating to their secretary before walking down to the local theatre to take in a show by some actors, and finishing off with a restaurant-cooked meal.
All replacement of human labour with machines – wherever successful (ie, profitable) improves the quality of life.
The replacement of checkout operators with machines increases productivity, which both reduces time spent in line for consumers, lowers the cost of stores for retailers, and – beautifully – guts another line of union dues for parasite union bosses. You might lament the loss of low-paying, repetitive and boring jobs – but few others will. Every crappy job replaced by machines releases spending for other things, and therefore creates job opportunities somewhere else.
If people crave the personal touch for buying their groceries, they can wait in line or find a boutique shop.
Personally, I love vending machines, and I can’t wait for a future where supermarkets are just a giant online vending machine with self-driving robotic delivery trucks.
brc
10 Sep 12 at 2:11 pm
Actual racism:
Percentage of blacks intending to vote for Mitt Romney: zero percent.
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 2:13 pm
No point backpedaling now, monty, you’ve admitted to it out in the open. You’ve come out, it’s too late to go back into that wc.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 2:13 pm
promise not to aggressively compete with wireless
Optus et al won’t, but the consumer will
Dan
10 Sep 12 at 2:14 pm
So blacks won’t vote for Romney because he’s white? How is that not racist??!!
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 2:15 pm
They have to speak veeerrry sloooowwlly for monty.
Keith
10 Sep 12 at 2:16 pm
Moderation? I can type leftist fuckwit troll semen blogger redhead liar but can’t type Optus or wireless?
Dan
10 Sep 12 at 2:18 pm
The implementation of automated checkouts has gone smoothly at the local Woolworths and I’ve seen people using them even with the manned express lane is empty.
For big shopping carts people still use manned lanes as it’s more convenient.
twostix
10 Sep 12 at 2:18 pm
Yes, twostix.
But where is Abbott?
Always MIA.
He should by now have undertaken to hold an investigation into Conroy’s nobbling of the AusNet tender. In any other arena, this would have been illegal and he might have found himself up on corruption charges.
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 2:20 pm
I can assure you, Gab, that if I was ever on the blower to Sussex St I would not be listening, but giving them a bollocking.
m0nty
10 Sep 12 at 2:20 pm
Me thinks the lad doth protest too much.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 2:21 pm
Gee, and there was Herman Cain a coupla weeks back:
Good old, reliably wrong, Herman.
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 2:21 pm
Cyber bullying does go on and affects some young people because they get in a tangle about it, spending so much time on Facebook and also Twitter as they do.
Arresting a person for it is hideous though, must be another way, and I wonder what the definition of “trolling” is – it could be very subjective, what upsets one person, another person won’t give a bugger about.
candy
10 Sep 12 at 2:22 pm
mOnty’s in Melbourne, SteveC is Sydney (I think) and I’m in Brisbane.
You see, the Party selects just one from each State to do its bidding in the blogosphere, and we three were chosen from a wide range of union flunky applicants.
We’ve also all slept with Julia Gillard, which helped in the selection process.
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 2:25 pm
The American left… ie the Demolitionist party sure are the pro science party.
Yea right
JC
10 Sep 12 at 2:26 pm
Have you? That’s defamatory if you haven’t.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 2:28 pm
Steve
It is very hard in many cases if you live in a community and have a high profile to go against the majority of what that community believes. Look at some of the crap people like Noel Pearson or Bess Price have had to put up with. They are basically accused of going against their race because they don’t support the ALP without question. There is no reason it would be so different in the US. So what number are supporters of the right side of politics who knows but for sure there are many who do but are not public about it.
kelly liddle
10 Sep 12 at 2:33 pm
Isn’t it Turnbull’s responsibility to be getting things like that out there? Especially given that he was CEO of a big ISP at one stage.
twostix
10 Sep 12 at 2:35 pm
Fascinating interview (and pictures) from some guy who spent time with the Yakuza
http://stewardmag.com/yakuza/
jtfsoon
10 Sep 12 at 2:36 pm
Interesting, Jason.
But what the heck is “Steward” magazine?
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 2:40 pm
No idea, steve. I got the link off the Lowy Institute blog
jtfsoon
10 Sep 12 at 2:42 pm
I was worried it might be for Qantas cabin crew, and feature speedo centrefolds.
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 2:50 pm
Steve if you look at the NT election results it appears many black people are sick of Labor too. Bess Price got a swing of 18%. Admitedly there are not all that many voters in the electorate but it is a majority black electorate.
kelly liddle
10 Sep 12 at 2:53 pm
Aboriginal politics up there is very complicated, it seems to me kelly. I wouldn’t read too much into it.
By the way, there was a story on aborigines running cattle stations on Landline yesterday (a show that I don’t go out of my way to watch, but when I see it, it always has a strangely relaxing effect on me. I don’t understand what it is about the show, but it’s very calming as well as usually interesting.)
There were a couple of older aboriginal guys regretting the equal pay change, which they said meant that the stations could only afford to keep few stockmen and their families, and this led to disparate tribes which had previously been kept separate by living on stations to have to go live in settlements together. This led to problems within these new settlements which continue today.
I didn’t realise before that this was part of the modern problem (the bit about different tribal groups being put together and that causing friction.)
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 3:03 pm
Stop pestering liar with facts Kelly
JamesK
10 Sep 12 at 3:08 pm
I think Mitt’s trying a new strategy which will probably drive wingnuts crazy:
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 3:32 pm
It’s all SfB all the time, on Radio Catallaxy this afternoon.
I’ll just play “A Walk in the Black Forest” now, while I do something else.
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 3:40 pm
That’s because you’re ignorant, Shit for Brains.
Ignorant and won’t listen, won’t be told.
Why don’t you get a job somewhere on The Lands and educate yourself?
Winston SMITH
10 Sep 12 at 3:43 pm
Why are we forced to live in a leftwing toilet that allows political activists in the bureaucracy to terrorise ordinary citizens and swindle them out of their property rights? The election of an Abbott government will be only the first battle in a war to purge these fascists from unelected positions of power.
Tom
10 Sep 12 at 3:47 pm
well if you’d stop posting your arrogant shit here and stuck to your miserable blog it wouldn’t be.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 3:49 pm
Well, winston, I think I probably had heard it mentioned before, but had forgotten. I was surprised to see some aboriginal guys bringing it up as being a big part of what went wrong.
By the way, I never claim to be particularly knowledgeable about this issue and don’t get involved in discussions about the intervention, etc, here. I do agree that Lefties have very often let ideology and political correctness triumph over practicalities, and can’t see that there is a future in keeping remote communities which have no hope of integration into the economy alive.
At the same time, I think Bolt was a jerk in the way he went about the “white aborigine” issue, and has been acting up as a drama queen on it ever since he lost.
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 3:55 pm
Let’s hope – Abbott will have a ministry with Malcolm Turnbull and Greg Hunt and others, so it will have an anchor dragging it to the left.
Token
10 Sep 12 at 3:57 pm
Newman for PM.
Tom
10 Sep 12 at 4:03 pm
This must be the time of day that CL retires to his crypt to regenerate.
m0nty
10 Sep 12 at 4:11 pm
Four words: what an idiot.
DRUDGE:
‘Befuddled’ Obama has trouble with iPhone.
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 4:25 pm
Regarding the fascist moanings of the NSW Liberal Government organising to have the power to put people in gaol over their twitter comments an article at News.com.au demonstrates the insanity.
Robbie Farrah received a nasty tweet from some dickhead.
In response he wrote: “u worthless piece of shit, if you had the balls to say that to my face I’d rip your face off”.
Immediately below the screencap of that tweet we have Nanny Roxon stating:
So Farah’s reply to the troll broke existing commonwealth law and the troll could right now demand that he be charged.
This is really going to end well you fuckhead politicians.
twostix
10 Sep 12 at 4:33 pm
and so it begins, Australia, the lucky country being f#cked by experts!
Rudiau
10 Sep 12 at 4:34 pm
Oops link:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/farah-subjected-to-vile-twitter-abuse/story-e6frfro0-1226468559816
twostix
10 Sep 12 at 4:35 pm
That’s just mind-bogglingly communist, Twostix. And get this:
SFB saying he and monty slept with Gillard ought to be very afraid.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 4:39 pm
Sorry, not twostix, I meant Rudiau
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 4:40 pm
So the Sun King managed a George HW Bush “scanner” moment and Dan Quayle potato “gaffe” in the same weekend…
…think how much fun the left would make of him if he was a Republican.
Token
10 Sep 12 at 4:41 pm
Following the link, Obama finds a new way to look effeminate.
He doesn’t need to ‘find’ a new way to achieve that; he just needs to be himself.
James P
10 Sep 12 at 4:44 pm
The papers are using the UK Social Media laws as an example to follow, specifically where some kid was arrested and charged for abusing a tax payer funded million dollar elite olympic athlete for losing:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/news/london-2012-17yearold-arrested-over-string-of-malicious-tweets-sent-to-olympic-diver-tom-daley-7993820.html
I saw Craig Emerson refer to someone asking him a question on Twitter as as “filthy young lib” is he in violation of the law or the proposed laws? Or are and will these laws only exist to “protect” the elite from the peasants?
twostix
10 Sep 12 at 4:49 pm
Well, there you go, I had no idea that iPhones were waaaaacist!
Rabz
10 Sep 12 at 4:53 pm
You’ll be pleased to know an uncorroborated claim made by a political enemy for the first time last week, 35 years after the fact, about “violence”, over which charges have never been laid and which has been denied, has equivalence with uncontested evidence that the nation’s leader lost her only job outside politics for serious misconduct:
Thankfully, in the past month, most Australians have had removed any doubt that the prime minister, apart from being a liar, is a person of otherwise poor character.
Tom
10 Sep 12 at 4:54 pm
Abbott must answer questions… on why Fairfax should be nuked.
Infidel Tiger
10 Sep 12 at 4:55 pm
Abbott should agree to make a statement in parliament only after Gillard agrees to make a statement about the Wilson Affair on the record in parliament.
Albo really didn’t think very hard about this, did he?
Token
10 Sep 12 at 4:59 pm
Ah, yes it’s all very clear now McTiernan is behind the false wall-hitting accusation made by Ramjam. This is just another ALP stunt.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 5:01 pm
Activists trump dead black miners.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 5:18 pm
Stepford:
You mean this stepford?
It’s always been Mitt’s and GOP policy, you turkey.
JC
10 Sep 12 at 5:23 pm
Defamation law in Australia is absurd. The process is punishment.
My friend was part of a case that ended last year. Somebody that my friend barely knew had told a joke about a business my friend was involved with to somebody else at a bar and attributed it to my friend.
The joke was relayed to the owner of the business and he shopped around and found a solicitor who would help him shake down / sue. Initially he sued both the joke teller and my friend but dropped the case against the joke teller after some machinations.
My friend refused to settle, but formally “apologised” which the guy rejected and so four years and $110,000 later, my friend was finally cleared. He re-mortgaged his house and his parents took a loan out against their house to help him with the legals. My friend counter sued for defamation as during the time the plaintiff and his solicitor allegedly defamed him but the business man declared bankruptcy and it’ll be another couple of years before that case is finished and my friends solicitor tells him not to expect to see any of it back.
Four years of his life and $110,000 down the drain over nothing.
The “joke” was 100% true too.
twostix
10 Sep 12 at 5:33 pm
So Abbott needs to demand that Gillard make a full statement to parliament about why she was president of an organisation whose official policy was that all men are rapists and married women are prostitutes.
ALP commies have much more to fear about going back into the student politic days.
twostix
10 Sep 12 at 5:37 pm
No sfb, they’re all talk an no action.
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 5:51 pm
What the? I’m calling my shop steward right now.
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 5:56 pm
Unfortunately, unlike The Goose, we will not be able to watch that bean toothed grub Albasleazy lose his seat at the next election.
H B Bear
10 Sep 12 at 5:58 pm
There is some connection to be made between autism and
“Old Peoples sperm” and the “Eggs of older women”
See Norman Swan. A man with impeccable credentials.
Maybe some people are having children too late in life.
alan
10 Sep 12 at 5:59 pm
Sydney’s warmest start to spring in 24 years
I’ll be cross if the snow melts before the end of September.
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 6:07 pm
Bomb threat at CFMEU turns out to be a hoax. It is within the realms of possibility that the hoax was concocted and executed by CFMEU staffer to gain some sympathy and/or falsely intimate/accuse Grocon or non-union labour of the act. It is possible.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 6:09 pm
Labor full-on dissing the Greens and blaming them for what ails Labor.
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/labors_love_lost/
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 6:12 pm
Match made in hell.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 6:14 pm
The global warming must have been a real motherfucker 24 years ago. How did they cope?
Infidel Tiger
10 Sep 12 at 6:17 pm
Update.
Rudiau
10 Sep 12 at 6:26 pm
We cranked up the air con IT, we could afford it in those days
Tal
10 Sep 12 at 6:28 pm
IT. We were a lot tougher then.
alan
10 Sep 12 at 6:34 pm
Half of the Arctic ice having gone and a couple of tornadoes around New York City hasn’t convinced you yet? I’m asking Gaia to send a threatening but relatively harmless waterspout up Sydney Harbour this summer, and lightning bolts for the building that houses the IPA.
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 6:52 pm
History of the histrionics over Artctic ice melting/growing from 1895 onward.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/conflicting-views-on-climate-change-fire-and-ice/
That’s another lie, Pinocchio.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 6:57 pm
The superstitious troll didn’t read the Tim Ball post explaining the Artic ice fluctuation. Hardly surprising in one determined to be ignorant.
Keith
10 Sep 12 at 6:57 pm
Stepford,
There are tornado warnings every 5 years in NYC. Tornadoes can occur anywhere in the US. Stop talking shit and go pester your own blog.
JC
10 Sep 12 at 7:00 pm
Has the results of the AFP investigation into ” Rudd Chinese Swearing Video Leak ” shown up anywhere yet?
Probably sitting on PM
GillardsSwans desk.jumpnmcar
10 Sep 12 at 7:09 pm
Gab, you’re linked to a website (or established by) a real nutter. You have noticed what other ideas they ramble on about?
Keith: Tim Ball has low, low credibility.
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 7:10 pm
As usual, SFB, you didn’t read the article and instead of finding any fault with the article and offering an argument with any counter-factual you can dig up, you verbal the author. The article is by By R. Warren Anderson and Dan Gainor – why you are linking to Chossudovsky only you know.
In short, you are again lying, Pinocchio.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 7:18 pm
Now that the U.S. Is an Islamic State…
A bipartisan group of six senators recently wrote to Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari, asking that he free Rimsha Masih, the eleven-year-old girl who was being held on blasphemy charges and is still under serious threat of mob violence and resumed prosecution even though she has been released on bail. The letter is a welcome indication that the world is finally noticing Pakistan’s blasphemy laws — but working at cross purposes with those who are trying to get Pakistan to scrap these laws is none other than Barack Obama, who is now doing nothing less than effectively enforcing them upon the U.S. military. The senators wrote to the wrong President.
…
However, Barack Obama has just dealt a huge setback to any effort to compel Pakistan to drop its blasphemy laws in the interest of human rights, by effectively enforcing Islamic blasphemy laws against American military personnel. For last month, U.S. military brass announced that they were going to punish six American troops who were involved in the notorious burning of Qur’ans in Afghanistan last February.
“The administrative punishments,” according to Reuters, “could include things like reduce rank or forfeiture of pay.” Nonetheless, these “fell short of criminal prosecution, and it was unclear whether they would satisfy Afghan demands for justice.”
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 7:26 pm
Steve believes Australia’s carbon dioxide tax will stop tornados in America.
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 7:26 pm
Gab,
He’s got nothing, never has, never will.
I know you have pity for such useless vermin but if you keep feeding it, it will never leave.
It’ll just keep turning up, waging its pox riddled tail, roll onto its back and piddle all over itself.
jumpnmcar
10 Sep 12 at 7:29 pm
Hahahahaa.
Don’t invest your time on scandal sheets, they’ll rot your brain. Oops, too late.
Keith
10 Sep 12 at 7:29 pm
Like I said, superstitious.
Keith
10 Sep 12 at 7:32 pm
Obama’s Racism.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 7:33 pm
CL did you see “her” on TV last night?
Tal
10 Sep 12 at 7:36 pm
Tim Ball is a fucking hero for having integrity and courage you can only dream about, you gutless dumb lowlife scum. Go back to where you belong: the blog with no readers. Want to know why it has no readers? Because you are as dumb as dogshit and have no credibility and have never written anything worth reading because you’re an uneducated pillock.
You’re such a disgusting violation of human nature I am now devoted to getting you banned from this place. Fuck off or be fucked off. No-one wants you here. We despise you.
Tom
10 Sep 12 at 7:38 pm
If anyone has a link to Nigella being interviewed on Channel 7′s Sunday Night , I’d be mighty grateful if they could link it here.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 7:44 pm
Being challenged on the grounds of credibility by StevieLiar QC has a certain delicious irony. Or is that hypocrisy?
Have you done the dishes boxhead?
Tiny Dancer
10 Sep 12 at 7:46 pm
I don’t have a link Gab but she has lost a lot of weight and looks fantastic
Tal
10 Sep 12 at 7:56 pm
I’ve searched for a link but can’t locate one, Tal. I really wanted to watch the interview.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 8:02 pm
Tal, he missed “her”, that’s why I sense a certain glumness in his step today. Cheerey-up, CL.
dover_beach
10 Sep 12 at 8:10 pm
Actually I don’t mind some of the posts that our resident sheltered workshop trolls deliver here. The obviously wacky one can be ignored and those posts that do contain some semblance of higher lifeform intelligence can be debated and counter argued. Many a time I have seen insightful points of view teased out and robustly debated providing a greater depth of understanding that would not be possible if it was only a right wing group think love in.
If we banned all left wing comment then we would be no better than programs like Insiders,Drum, Q&A etc where everyone agrees with everyone else and issues are shallowly discussed.
Ignore fatuous comments, ignore obvious baiting, and ignore factless opinion. I liken Sfb, SteveC, Febro to Gollum in Lord of the Rings; A necessary evil have around to to complete our quest and totally expendable to be thrown into the crack of doom after the next election.
Splatacrobat
10 Sep 12 at 8:16 pm
Great website gab, must remember to get all my hard hitting facts from there:
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 8:25 pm
more gems:
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 8:27 pm
Very Gandalfian of you, Splat. BTW, was I right last evening? Did you miss an “is”?
dover_beach
10 Sep 12 at 8:27 pm
I don’t know about the website, stevec. I didn’t explore it.
What did you think about the article i linked to, stevec? Did you even read it – or was it too technical for you?
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 8:28 pm
Gab, what are you doing linking to the Greens?
dover_beach
10 Sep 12 at 8:28 pm
here’s a beauty:
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 8:29 pm
Sounds like the UN, stevec. Also seems to back up Bob Brown’s call for a one world government, stevec.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 8:30 pm
Dover did you see it?
Tal
10 Sep 12 at 8:30 pm
That’s a bit scary Gab, you link to an article without wondering about the motives of the publisher?
I did read the article. It was an interesting review of techniques newspapers have used for decades to sell newspapers.
I don’t get my information on climate change from newspapers, so while interesting, it didn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know.
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 8:32 pm
That is a beauty, stevec, do you have a link to it?
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 8:32 pm
I did, indeed, Tal.
dover_beach
10 Sep 12 at 8:34 pm
Oh so you already knew that these histrionics about the Great Big Ice Melt and subsequent growth has been ongoing since 1895? Good for you. A bit of history and you go into an hysterical overdrive.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 8:35 pm
It’s a beauty isn’t it! I found it by wandering around http://www.globalresearch.ca/
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 8:37 pm
Still waiting on that link, stevec.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 8:37 pm
Tom
Made me curious as to how the Mann v Ball court case was progressing.
Looks like “Dr Mann made global warming” might be losing his balls to Dr Tim Ball.
“Mark Steyn and the National Review wrote of the parallels in the “whitewashes” PSU investigations performed separately on Sandusky and Mann. The recent and hard-hitting Freeh Report is damning of PSU’s hierarchy.”
That will make an interesting court case.
BTW well said.
Rudiau
10 Sep 12 at 8:37 pm
Foud it in my history:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/mind-control-and-the-new-world-order/
There’s some pretty wacky stuff on there!
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 8:37 pm
I was surprised the amount of loathing she generates Dover
Tal
10 Sep 12 at 8:38 pm
“All you need is love,
Every-bod-y
All you need is love, love,
Love is all you need”.
From SFB to Tom.
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 8:44 pm
I thought The Cat was a Beatles free zone
Tal
10 Sep 12 at 8:48 pm
This is just too funny. Coming out of an earnest presentation in teh Gillard bunker from McTernan, something straight out of The Thick of It, Albanese goes shouting from the rooftops about Wallgate. He seriously believes anyone would care. When (a) his content, (b) the equivalence he assumes it has with his boss’ historical problems, and (c) the public’s interest in it, all rate a massive zilch, his wounded discomfort should prove absolutely hilarious.
What a waste of space. What a completely typical ALP truffle-hound of crap, convinced that he has hit on the smoking gun at last, besotted with the equivalence he believes he has established, working in tandem with that loathsome dark-arts practitioner flown in from Britain. McTernan is no mere spin doctor, he is a Fellow of the Royal College of Rotation Physicians, an expert in impugnment, lies, ordure-flinging, garbage-bin-rooting and luring opponents’ characters into quiet, dark cul-de-sacs and garrotting them.
Yet again these contemptible morons manage to completely overlook what the voting public, Middle Australia, think of this rotten grab-bag of malignant Westminster practices. It;s a real vote-winner, guys. Keep doing it.
James in Melbourne
10 Sep 12 at 8:51 pm
Yeah, real wacky, stevec. That article you linked to starts off talking about the CIA programs and then continues:
Yeah, it’ll never happen.
I notice that a lot of articles are sourced elsewhere on that site and showcased on that site.
Still, the article I linked too – also sourced elsewhere – was just an historical piece highlighting, over the course of 117 years, how the climate doomsayers have been wrong time and again.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 8:53 pm
That comment absolutely confirms that “febro” is that slimy murderer-loving trannie Phil. Hey Phil, you written any more poems to your hero, the Fort Hood murderer Nidal Hasan?
LOL at least I wasn’t here commenting on Friday and Saturday night unlike you “febro”. Poor old lonely thing no where else to be, eh old trannie?
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 9:01 pm
The problem was nearly everything the article quoted was newpaper headlines, to which I respond “so what?” It wasn’t a useful discussion of the history of climate chnage science.
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 9:02 pm
BTW here’s some more brilliant analysis from R warren anderson:
http://www.mrc.org/news/bernanke-nomination-brings-out-medias-economic-concerns
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 9:04 pm
Well, yes stevec, what the “pioneer” climate alarmists have said did get reported in newspapers. Still do today.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 9:05 pm
i like of all the Beatles “Let It Be” the most, the lyrics are very moving
candy
10 Sep 12 at 9:06 pm
Sorry my year 10 education can’t grasp the ramification of omitting the 3rd person singular present indicative of “is” to the point I was making.
All I was trying to say was that if sex education for 12 years old’s contained graphic details of homosexual practices such as feltching and anal sex it would have the same salutary effect as showing diseased lungs and dead rats from the effects of smoking.
Splatacrobat
10 Sep 12 at 9:10 pm
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 9:11 pm
Gab, if you want to read a proper history of the scientific development of global warming, you could do well to have a look through Spencer Weart’s website on the topic. There is a summary page and a timeline, and plenty more detail beyond that.
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 9:13 pm
Alternatively, SFB, you can read one here.
In 1902 they reporters that scientists said the glaciers would disappear. Twenty years later, when the glaciers didn’t disappear, they said the glaciers were growing. rinse and repeat.
Seems like something that’s been happening for, like, eons. I know, I know, to you alarmists that really is strange.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 9:17 pm
PIMF….In 1902 it was reported that scientists said the glaciers would disappear.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 9:18 pm
Lab,you may have missed Nigella but you also missed Peter Fitzbandana
Tal
10 Sep 12 at 9:20 pm
Lad not Lab,sorry CL
Tal
10 Sep 12 at 9:21 pm
Good grief! We have it thrust at us by the ABC, Fairfax and even the bulk of commercial TV every fucking day of the week.
There’s no shortage of lefty bulldust to discuss and fisk. What I object to is those who are demonstrably here purely as spoilers (and they have actually spoilt the open threads) not as part of a genuine conversation.
blogstrop
10 Sep 12 at 9:24 pm
and we assumed you meant heterosexual practices as well, as the practices you listed aren’t limited to homosexual sex.
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 9:25 pm
Talking about q&a, we have Peter Jensen and Catherine Deveny on together tonight. Could be interesting!
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 9:28 pm
Gab, your article is more about media reporting of climate claims. It is not the same thing as reading a detailed history of the actual scientific development.
When you went to high school, was ever subject taught by textbooks which consisted entirely of media reports on the subject?
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 9:30 pm
SFB, I know this is difficult for you to understand but I’ll try again. The article is just a history of how climate alarmists have changed their minds over the course of 117 years to suit when the climate didn’t behave as predicted.
Why this is so upsetting to you and stevec?
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 9:32 pm
Gab, i didn’t find it upsetting, just not very useful.
Technically it is a history of how
climate alarmistsnewspapers have changed their minds. Which I don’t find very meaningfulSteveC
10 Sep 12 at 9:35 pm
DON’T BAN ME, BRO!
sdog
10 Sep 12 at 9:36 pm
Technically it is a history of how climate alarmists newspapers have changed their minds
No. Wrong. It is newspapers reporting what people such as geologists have predicted starting in 1895. You clearly didn’t read the linked article so why are you commenting on it?
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 9:39 pm
Gab, there are many, many things that are much, much better understood now than they were 100, 50 or even 30 years ago.
Do you always keep going back to mistaken science opinion (some of which may not even had been the consensus of the time) of pre-WW2, based as they were on incomplete observations and the limited technology, as a reason to not be convinced by the scientific conclusions of the present day?
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 9:41 pm
SFB, I find it interesting to look over the past 117 years and see how the trend of climate alarmism has developed. Starting in 1895, they have provided the world with error-laden predictions. It’s no different today.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 9:43 pm
Who is doing the Qanda watch this evening?
Tal
10 Sep 12 at 9:51 pm
Gab…..disengage, sweetly but firmly, and cross to the other side of the road.
This site’s equivalent of the dishevelled crank that sleeps under refrigerator packaging under the Coke sign next to the old railway bridge, and accosts passers-by with mutterings about 9/11 and the ATO and unspecified wrongs done to him by unnamed employers, has bailed you up on the footpath of the Cat.
Just stand where other people can see you, tell him you’re happy to pay $23 a tonne, use a pleasant tone and get out of there!
James in Melbourne
10 Sep 12 at 9:53 pm
I’m certain some leftist twit said the same or similar 100, 50 or even 30 years ago.
None were probably as inveterate a liar as our liar-steve™ tho’.
JamesK
10 Sep 12 at 9:54 pm
It’s not very interesting so far, Tal.
Gay marriage is due to arrive any minute, though.
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 9:54 pm
“Still, the article I linked too – also sourced elsewhere – was just an historical piece highlighting, over the course of 117 years, how the climate doomsayers have been wrong time and again.”
Wrong. Ask yourself what was the factual basis for the reporting. Was it one scientist or group, or many around the world? Was it an outlying study being reported, or a series of mutually confirming studies? Was it the media misrepresenting the scientific work by emphasising the low-probability but high-drama predictions, or was it an honest report of what the scientists actually thought was happening or going to happen? Was it tabloid ‘journalism’, or credible reporting?
To cherry-pick a few media articles (without asking these questions) and claim them as somehow being representative of the development of climate science is really, really stupid. To suggest the thousands upon thousands of studies over decades (confirming that AGW is real, is mostly us, and is a threat) are equivalent to a couple of second-rate 9-day-wonder papers that didn’t survive sceptical examination is… well, Gab-level stupid.
Jarrah
10 Sep 12 at 9:56 pm
I wonder if he was thought a kook back then when he delivered his prediction – him being the recognized world’s expert on the Arctic, at the time.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 9:58 pm
No gab, your characterisation of the article is incorrect. the quite long article quoted 5 scientists – Reid Bryson, Dr. J. Murray Mitchell Jr., J. B. Kincer, Nathaniel Schmidt, Rutger Sernander – among literally scores of refereneces to newpapers and journals.
The article itself says “This isn’t a question of science. It’s a question of whether Americans can trust what the media tell them about science.” . and concludes ” It is time for the news media to admit a consistent failure to report this issue fairly or accurately, with due skepticism of scientific claims.”
The article is about reporting of science, not science. As I agreed earlier it is interesting, but not very useful.
The conclusion would be “Don’t believe everything you read in the newspaper”. Who woulda thunk it!
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 9:59 pm
Gab, Balchen was an aviator from Norway who went to the US and had an Air Force career. There is quite a long Wikipedia entry for him, which I can’t link to because I am iPad-ing.
It is clear from reading about his career that he knew about cold weather generally, but had no particular climate related science experience. His prediction about the warming Arctic was made towards the end of his life.
He was not an expert re Arctic climate change; his error is unimportant.
Once again, you have been conned by fake skeptics.
steve from brisbane
10 Sep 12 at 11:34 pm
No gab, your characterisation of the article is incorrect. the quite long article quoted 5 scientists – Reid Bryson, Dr. J. Murray Mitchell Jr., J. B. Kincer, Nathaniel Schmidt, Rutger Sernander – among literally scores of refereneces to newpapers and journals.
No, stevec, no mischaracterisation on my part. What I said was “It is newspapers reporting what people such as geologists have predicted starting in 1895”.
The article itself says “This isn’t a question of science. It’s a question of whether Americans can trust what the media tell them about science.” . and concludes ” It is time for the news media to admit a consistent failure to report this issue fairly or accurately, with due skepticism of scientific claims.”
In the full context from the article:
I agree. Here the article refers to recent (30yrs) biased msm reporting of climate change. Only one view is reported in the majority, there is no balance and opposing viewpoints receive little or no coverage. (the MSM would not deign to report on “deniers” unless it’s to mock). This is well known.
The article is about reporting of science, not science. As I agreed earlier it is interesting, but not very useful.
I never said it was science. It is an illustration of what climate “scientists” and experts in their fields fed newspapers. The article illustrates how the trend of warming/cooling has changed four times in a bit over 100 years – as reported in the newspapers and magazines from climate “scientists”. For example:
And the article proceeds to warn that reporting on climate matters is skewed towards alarmism.
Your comment that it is not useful to you is of no surprise. A lot of comments and links you post are of no “use” to anyone.
The conclusion would be “Don’t believe everything you read in the newspaper”.
Well, yes. It’s an old adage and proved true time and again especially in the realms of climate “science” reportage.
Who woulda thunk it!
Who? People who don’t slavishly “believe” what the climate alarmists feed newspapers, the other point of the article.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 11:38 pm
Wow I saw the second half of David Marr being interviewed by lightweight Emma on Lateline.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more eltist left interview on ‘their’ ABC.
It was beyond belief even for me who expects shameless leftism and bias on the ABC.
Marr was more extremely condescending than I have ever before witnessed.
Watch it online later and shower after.
Just spectacular elite leftism displaying maximum awfulness just as if they were at a leftist dinner party and no outsider was watching.
With extreme leftist prejudice……
LOL
JamesK
10 Sep 12 at 11:42 pm
As for that nasty Jarrah who sticks his nose in where it’s not wanted, sniffs at the wrong angle in the article and finishes with his signature arrogant flourish, well I’ll tread carefully lest I be sued.
“To cherry-pick a few media articles”
LOL a few? Here’s a list of the “few”.
“claim them as somehow being representative of the development of climate science”
I made no such claim. What I stated:
“..was just an historical piece highlighting, over the course of 117 years, how the climate doomsayers have been wrong time and again.”
Their predictions have been wrong. Is this the problem? Or perhaps it’s the “doomsayer” tag that got your nose out of joint.
“To suggest the thousands upon thousands of studies over decades (confirming that AGW is real, is mostly us, and is a threat) are equivalent to a couple of second-rate 9-day-wonder papers that didn’t survive sceptical examination is…”
Oooh, you make me sound evil. “A couple of second-rate-9-day-wonder papers”…what? Like the NYT? Like the Washington Post? Chicago Tribune? Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society? My but you have high standards to call these “second-rate” and “9-day-wonders”.
Gab-level stupid
Ah yes, the insult – always the last port of call for you climate alarmist leftists. I maybe stupid, Lord knows I’m no Einstein, but I’m not at the same level of “stupid” as you, Jarrah, so I’ve got that going for me.
To think an article illustrating the history of climate scientists and recognised experts of the times providing their predictions to the newspapers could cause so much consternation is just amazing. Or perhaps it was the bit in the article about biased climate alarmism reporting that has caused the kerfuffle.
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 11:43 pm
Anyone watch Q&A as I missed it. I’ve been told bible expert and theologian Tony Jones said the bible was written in Hebrew!
Anglican bishop Jensen corrected him and nicely explained it was written in Greek.
Lord, he’s a fucking idiot. He’s like the Left’s version of Ron Burgundy. All the idiot needs is a mustache and the transformation is complete.
JC
10 Sep 12 at 11:43 pm
Are these people who pretend to be skeptics, SFB?
Gab
10 Sep 12 at 11:45 pm
Reporting on anything is skewed towards alarmism. That’s what sells papers.
Well it appears surprisingly we may agree. Media reporting is unreliable, which is why I don’t get my information from newspapers or todays even less reliable equivalent – blogs, but rather from scientific sources such as NASA, CSIRO and the Academies of science.
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 11:46 pm
Lol yea, it was hysterically funny. David Marr was doing a great Hooray Henry routine and Emma was giving that wanton gaze … “if only he wasn’t gay” look.
Marr
What was with the hot pink top. It was blinding.
JC
10 Sep 12 at 11:48 pm
oops was supposed to have done
JC
10 Sep 12 at 11:49 pm
Q&A tonight was the most disgraceful orchestrated lynching attempt I’ve ever seen. Tony Jones ought to be fired.
Archbishop Jensen was magnificent. His performance was one of the greatest I’ve seen on any comparable programme on Australian television.
He wiped the floor with his critics and deftly showed up his interrogators as haters, loonies and ignorant nimrods. All in a Christ-like way.
Tony Jones: “Well, the bible text was Hebrew, actually.”
AUDIENCE APPLAUSE
Jensen: “I don’t know how to tell you this, Tony, but it was Greek.”
Deveny’s appearance again amplifies Andrew Bolt’s argument that it is morally wrong for the ABC to use this clearly disturbed women for others’ entertainment.
Bottom line: JENSEN WON – and how.
C.L.
10 Sep 12 at 11:51 pm
Pot, meet kettle.
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 11:56 pm
Gab, on what basis did you determine the people quoted were “climate scientists and recognised experts of the times “ ?
SteveC
10 Sep 12 at 11:58 pm
I referred to them as ““pioneer” climate alarmists”. If i called them climate scientists later on then I was surely mistaken.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 12:02 am
LA Times: Villaraigosa defends vote revising DNC platform on Jerusalem, God
Short Version:
Villaraigosa: God and Jerusalem Omissions No Big Deal
And the best of all, the President admired how I handled myself.
LOL.
How are the GOP gonna put the scene in ads?
It’s a little long.
Make a tv advert series?
The MSM aren’t gonna run with it.
JamesK
11 Sep 12 at 12:02 am
CL, Jensen performed well and Deveny was embarrassing.
But your choice of “zinger” is a bit suspect. What was the dialogue just before the “Hebrew” line?
SteveC
11 Sep 12 at 12:02 am
recognised experts of the times
For example,
which I had already posted at 9.58pm.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 12:04 am
Well Gab, it was your own post at 11.43. But yes, “pioneer” climate alarmists is a good description. Though I think that is more appropriate to the newspaper reporting.
SteveC
11 Sep 12 at 12:05 am
NYT: As Coolant Is Phased Out, Smugglers Reap Large Profits
Short version:
Greens see to it that you can go to jail for selling freon.
Carlos Garcia did.
JamesK
11 Sep 12 at 12:08 am
Gab, that’s self referencing. You are saying you deduced they were experts because the admittedly suspect reporting said they were experts. If I want to check if someone is an expert I would look it up myslef, not just say, “well the newspaper article said he was an expert.”
SteveC
11 Sep 12 at 12:08 am
stevec, no one could accuse you of belaboring a trivial point. They were recognized experts in their own time. I didn’t make this up, it’s there in black and white.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 12:10 am
I saw Nigella. She’s just gorgeous.
Missed Fitzbandana, sadly.
*snort*
kae
11 Sep 12 at 12:10 am
WSJ: Do Our Gadgets Really Threaten Planes?
The ban on electronic devices rests on anecdotes, not on hard evidence—because there isn’t any
JamesK
11 Sep 12 at 12:11 am
Well Gab, it was your own post at 11.43.
well stevec, yes, hence my reply to you at 12.02am.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 12:11 am
Oh noes, I missed qanda tonight.
kae
11 Sep 12 at 12:12 am
No, my account wasn’t “suspect,” dumbo.
The archbishop was discussing the idea of submission (as in woman to man) whereupon Jones protested that it was, after all, an English word from a Hewbrew bible.
Utterly breathtaking imbecility from Jones.
Did he attend university?
Deveny is without doubt one of the Australian’s left’s most beloved intellectual leaders. She again proved that she should retire permanently to her many cats.
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 12:14 am
Completely agree, CL. Archbishop Jensen was, indeed, magnificent, patient and forgiving; Christ-like, as you say. Deveny was really insufferable. Supremely so. I missed the last 15 minutes but the section on marriage was really instructive. Apart from Jensen the rest of the panel really had nothing particularly intelligent to say on the matter, excepting possibly the lady on the end.
dover_beach
11 Sep 12 at 12:14 am
Chris Evans was an embarrassment. The pussy-whipped weakling admitted that his wife was the boss of everything and had written all their marriage vows.
Lefty ‘men’ are always boasting about how beholden and obedient they are to women.
He also again failed to apologise for personally ending the Pacific Solution – the decision that caused the deaths of 800 people.
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 12:19 am
The hilarious thing about Tony Jones’s boo-boo was that he was simply being a smart arse by interjecting, only to find his interjection being returned to him within interest by Jensen.
dover_beach
11 Sep 12 at 12:19 am
California MMA fighter Jarrod Wyatt, accused of ripping out friend’s heart and tongue, pleads guilty to murder
Witnesses say the two had ingested hallucinogenic mushrooms before the attack and believed they were involved in a struggle between God and the devil.
On Thursday, Sept. 6, 2012, Jarrod Wyatt, a mixed-martial artist accused of ripping out his friend’s still-beating heart in March of 2010, pleaded guilty to murder and mayhem charges.
Plead guilty and have three square and shelter at taxpayer’s expense for 50 years or until you kill another inmate.
What death penalty?
He only cut out his victim’s tongue and ripped out his heart while he was still alive.
JamesK
11 Sep 12 at 12:19 am
Despite the High Court ruling and despite the fact the greens will never agree…
<blockquote>LABOR is striving to revive its people-swap deal with Malaysia amid concerns that Nauru, which will receive its first asylum-seekers by the end of the week, risks being swamped by a wave of new arrivals flooding through Indonesia.
What a mess Gillard/Rudd have created for the region.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 12:23 am
[*Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, Shadow Minister for Mental Health and Ageing]
I didn’t know who she was but she handled herself quite well putting Deveny in her box a few times. Her point about attacks on the silent majority in particular Christians went over with strong support from the audience.
Nanuestalker
11 Sep 12 at 12:25 am
He’s the Ron Burgundy of the Left.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 12:31 am
Lefty ‘men’ are always boasting about how beholden and obedient they are to women.
Apparently it’s the cool thing to do lest they be labelled “misogynists”.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 12:34 am
A bit harsh on Evans given that the architect of the policy he was forced to implement in the Rudd government was one Julia Eileen Gillard.
Cold-Hands
11 Sep 12 at 12:34 am
I didn’t mean your account was suspect, I meant your choice of that interlude was a poor choice of Jensens good arguments. I didn’t have a transcript, whereas it seemd you did.
Jones asked Jensen what he meant by “submit” and Jensen said it was a biblical word. Jones pointed out the bible wasn’t written in English (he said Hebrew, Jensen corrected him to Greek – of course quite a lot of the bible is actually in hebrew so moot point). Jones then gave an English definition.
Jensen then gave a very good description of what he meant by submit and at what point the vow would make sense. I don’t agree with his view, but I’m an atheist so Jensen would rightly say the vow would not be right for me.
What I find amusing about the whole episode is the constant childish spouting on this blog of “Haha got him with that zinger”
SteveC
11 Sep 12 at 12:36 am
What I find amusing about the whole episode is the constant childish spouting on this blog of “Haha got him with that zinger”
Pot, meet kettle.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 12:39 am
Concetta Fierravanti-Wells’ backhander to Deveny was a good ‘un.
Ever been married, Catherine?
No.
Just like the chattering classes – experts on what they know nothing about.
BLAM!
Deveny nearly exploded – I thought those big boobs of hers would pop out of her heaving blouse.
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 12:39 am
I don’t think it’s harsh on Evans. He still boasts that ending the Pacific Solution, ministerially, was his most golden moment in politics. Utterly shameful.
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 12:44 am
You save them up, eh Gab!
Though I’m interested for you to show me where I use “zingers”
SteveC
11 Sep 12 at 12:44 am
Spare us. She actually kind on looks a few degrees away from having been born with Down syndrome.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 12:45 am
JC
11 Sep 12 at 12:46 am
It’s just an absolute mess that Labor created and now have no idea how to solve…because returning to Howard-era policies is just not an option for them, out of spite and hate and of course it would be embarrassing for them.
I wonder if the government will allow a media presence during these transfers.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 12:47 am
“LOL a few? Here’s a list of the “few”.”
It works out to one every three years. Yeah, I’d say ‘few’ is spot on.
“Their predictions have been wrong. Is this the problem?”
No, why should it be? Also, many of those predictions were right.
““A couple of second-rate-9-day-wonder papers”…what? Like the NYT? Like the Washington Post? Chicago Tribune?”
Time to brush up on your reading skills again, Gab. That entire sentence was about scientific papers, not newspapers. LOL
“Ah yes, the insult – always the last port of call for you climate alarmist leftists.”
What a target-rich sentence.
Accepting that we get to choose our own opinions, but not our own facts, is not leftism. Accepting mainstream science is not alarmist. And you’re being hypocritical to object to insults while starting your comment with one.
“finishes with his signature arrogant flourish”
Ah, yes. Being right often leads one to being accused of arrogance by sore losers.
Jarrah
11 Sep 12 at 1:04 am
More Money needed!
Labor set to target super tax breaks
Published 6:46 AM, 10 Sep 2012
The federal government is looking at the possibility of cutting billions in superannuation tax concessions, according to a report by the Australian Financial Review.
The cuts would help to pay for new policies in education and disability services, with the major target being capital gains tax concessions for self-managed superannuation funds.
It is believed that the government is also looking at the tax free pensions paid to retirees.
But Jeremy Cooper, the head of the federal government’s superannuation review, has warned against the cuts, saying confidence in the system would be undermined, according to the AFR.
“There has been quite a lot of change over a relatively short time. There is always policy reasons but the net effect is that the average person forms the view that super is all very well, but if the rules keep changing all the time, people will just be less inclined to put their money in,” Mr Cooper told the AFR.
The superannuation industry is also urging the government to reconsider targeting super for tax cuts.
“You don’t want regulatory arbitrage to discourage people from savings in super because it is about funding people’s retirement,” said chief executive of the Association of Superannuation Funds of Australia, Pauline Vamos, according to the AFR.
http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Labor-set-to-target-super-tax-breaks-pd20120910-XYRYF?OpenDocument&src=am&utm_source=exact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=101356&utm_campaign=am&modapt=news
val majkus
11 Sep 12 at 1:46 am
She looks to me like someone who was born not quite right, but had loving parents who kept her out of institutions. From britannica.com:
Tom
11 Sep 12 at 5:53 am
Turns out the journalist union’s 2011 Australian Stenographer of the Year doesn’t actually believe in all that Wikileaks shit after all.
Tom
11 Sep 12 at 6:09 am
And here we have the money quote (not shot) on Marr’s obsession with Abbott..
On ABC 774 Melbourne, regarding Abbott’s University days:
“He was unspeakably homophobic at the time..”
duncan
11 Sep 12 at 6:50 am
The SMH has suspended a columnist accused of plagiarism. But why would Media Watch persecute a soul brother at Fairfax? Well, it turns out Tanveer Ahmed attempted to upset the Greens heartland as a Liberal Party candidate for Marrickville council. Your ABC™: Greens Rule, You Pay, OK?
Tom
11 Sep 12 at 7:00 am
I tried to watch the abomination Q&A last night. I promise, I really did try.
It started off OK with a question from the floor to Chris Evans asking why he had not been sacked for overseeing the removal of Howard’s policies which in turn was directly responsible for 100′s of deaths and the return of the trade in human cargo.
So far, so good.
Evans chose to not answer the question but instead waffled on about how it didn’t matter that they were wrong, what they did was the right thing to do you know.
Then, it had to happen, the Deveny woman opened her mouth.
I swear to God I lasted no more than 15 words of her foul lisping before I turned off.
Why is this woman on the telly? Why am I paying for this woman to be on the telly? Why am I paying for her to have the opportunity to spout her opinions to a national audience?
Of what relevance is her opinion anyway? What is her experience or occupation that gives her views any import?
Is her only relevance that she spews far left green bile, so therefore she is one of their ABC? Is she an expert on anything other than social media fauxs pas? Having her giving opinion on anything is like getting SfB to be an expert panellist at a climate debate.
Catherine, get the fuck off my TV and don’t come back.
Huckleberry Chunkwot
11 Sep 12 at 7:17 am
Another stunning victory for the true Church in England!
.
11 Sep 12 at 7:22 am
What bollocks. Blame the drugs you irresponsible thug and coward. No fuck you, you should be hanged at dawn.
Good call James.
.
11 Sep 12 at 7:28 am
Slate notes:
The Democrats clearly had a good convention.
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 7:31 am
This twitter shit really riles me up.
Repeat after me, dickhead politicians:
“Free speech is sacred”
“Free speech is sacred”
“Free speech is sacred”
“Free speech is sacred”
“Free speech is sacred”
“Free speech is sacred”
.
11 Sep 12 at 7:31 am
Not to mention all that rampant white heteronormativitah!
Rabz
11 Sep 12 at 7:44 am
Like I keep on saying:
I don’t have great expectations for Abbot to be PM.
The lying and duplicity of the ALP and Greens is simply astonishing.
1. They are making bullshit up. He was no more anti gay than anyone else. He acted civily and never got physical. Cue David Marr accusing him of some made up crime.
2. Keating…”two poofs and a Cocker Spaniel is not a family”.
These pricks ought to get a taste of their own medicine.
.
11 Sep 12 at 7:50 am
It’s not the first time Evans has pronounced himself proud of his abolition of the Pacific Solution. He’s totally thrilled to have been responsible for almost 1000 deaths. He is literally in deep psychological denial. An almost sociopathic dirtball.
The ABC invites her on (and seats her next to the principal hate figure – they did the same thing when Abbott was on) precisely because they want her to abuse and vilify that person.
Fortunately, she isn’t well and always ends up being an embarrassment – even though she is one of the left’s iconic intellectual leaders.
As for Jones, he will never live down his Dan Quayle/Joe Biden moment last night, where he claimed the bible was written in Hebrew.
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 7:50 am
Poor Catherine
Tal
11 Sep 12 at 7:58 am
“Poor Catherine”
I don’t know about, after what she said about 11 year old Bindy Irwin (that the 11 year old should “get laid”). Using kids to further her agenda, why is that acceptable and she gets articles published in major papers and is on TV.
A man would not be able to get away with saying such, it would be end of career.
candy
11 Sep 12 at 8:15 am
Candy,I was trying to be sarcastic
Tal
11 Sep 12 at 8:19 am
Will France Go Down in Flames?
JamesK
11 Sep 12 at 8:40 am
Bolt has a detailed piece on Marr’s slurs, past and present.
Albanese goes for Abbott’s throat in Parliament.
all seems a very over-hyped tactic to deflect away from Labor’s current ongoing abysmal performance.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 8:49 am
Why California’s Three-Parent Law Was Inevitable
JamesK
11 Sep 12 at 8:50 am
Q&A Last night.
1. Tony was right with the correction but not with the language.
2.The senator from W.A was lightweight and
3. If you don’t want to say “submit” don’t get married by Jensen.
Even although I don’t agree with him, there is no doubt that he is a good man.
There are plenty of ceremonies that don’t have that word.
Most of the debate is irrelevant if compared to Asylum seeking.
Trying to catch each other out on trivia is a waste of time.
alan
11 Sep 12 at 8:51 am
Ross Greenwood was talking about this last night.
Shorten’s multi stage plan to pull down the competition to Union Super Funds is underway.
This is step 3 or 4 in the process of making Self Managed super funds economically out of the reach of ordinary Australians.
Token
11 Sep 12 at 8:53 am
Oh dear, did Snow Cone Tone have another “renumeration” moment?
Somebody should take Snow Cone aside and point out that when you personality ensures you carry on like a supercilious, condescending prick it helps not to be wrong. Unfortunately this may not happen at your ALPBC.
H B Bear
11 Sep 12 at 8:57 am
Bob Carr being interviewed on the government broadcasting channel.
He’s saying the Malaysia Deal would go ahead except that Abbott is being obstructionist.
No mention that the Greens have never supported the Deal – it’s just all Abbott’s fault.
No question to Carr by the “reporter” about the High Court decision against the Malaysia Deal; no question about the UNHCR not supporting the Deal; no question to Carr about the Greens not supporting the Deal.
Just AbbottAbbotAbbott. I don’t know which is more despicable – Carr or the government “reporter”.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 8:58 am
It isn’t your money until you withdraw it all.
Remember who benefits from “industry super funds” – the unions.
Shorten is trying to assert the ACTU and ALP as cooperating fuedal lords with your retirement savings as their fiefdom.
.
11 Sep 12 at 9:02 am
Abbott should release a statement about misandrist nutjobs. Albanese and Marr are the Uncle Toms of the feminazi movement.
Keith
11 Sep 12 at 9:03 am
Its a distraction.
Be patient. Mike Smith continues to chase down the documentary evidence on the actions of the AWU (remember the target is union corruption, not just the “young & naive” partner that helped up assocaiations in breach of WA legislation).
______________________
I heard Bill Heffernon on 2GB this morning talking to Chris Smith. Will post links later. He made some important points:
1. He is pursuing the use of Thorium Energy vigorously, it was good to hear the only real alternative energy to fossil fuels be discussed.
2. NSW gov people’s committee on alternate energy requested nuclear/thorium be investigated.
3. He noted his concerns with Cubby Station – very valid concerns that the enterprise is uneconomical.
Token
11 Sep 12 at 9:04 am
Another (more recent) Tone the Intimidator moment?:
The article also ends with:
Interesting….
The Party’s best choice as leader (Turnbull) is stymied by the party refusing to accept the Labor policy on climate change makes more economic sense than theirs. (And the large rump who are only grudgingly going along with their own policy anyway, as they don’t believe in AGW.)
What a shame.
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 9:05 am
JC did it again. Ron Burgandy is correct.
Token
11 Sep 12 at 9:08 am
I’m not sure about that. I would think David Marr sits down to take a piss. Albasleazy is just fat and lazy, reaching for the nearest slur.
H B Bear
11 Sep 12 at 9:09 am
LOL another McTiernan stooge comes out of the woodwork. Talked about it for years, she has. It’s the troof, your honor. I just never went to the papers about it before because, well, just because”.
yesterday’s Essential report also has Libs at 55% and the ALP at 45%.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 9:14 am
For those who don’t want to feed the troll you can see the documents Mike Smith posted yesterday from the AWU scandal.
We are nto talking about sleazy unsubstantiated statements from political opponents, we are talking about documents like this:
The AWU Scandal – the BCITF, quasi-government organisation that funded Thiess for workplace reform
or this:
The AWU Scandal – more on the dodgy association Ms Gillard helped set up – the AWU Auditors
Token
11 Sep 12 at 9:14 am
Tony Abbot used to wear a pencil moustache, a unibrow, a mask, a cape and tie local women to the train lines around here…goddamned sumbitch!
.
11 Sep 12 at 9:17 am
He was wrong with the ‘correction’ and the language.
The senator from WA was ignored because frothing-at-the-gob Christophobic loony, Tony Jones, was preoccupied with vilifying Jensen.
The vow to submit to a husband’s authority is one choice amongst a variety on offer to engaged couples.
So all wrong, Alan. Three out of three – wrong.
——————————————————
This is not about Gillard, Steve.
And it’s very amusing to hear you weigh on the subject, given that you have ‘joked’ about bashing Gab.
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 9:17 am
I have the distinct feeling that those with an ongoing intense interest in the AWU stuff are starting to be the equivalent of Heiner obsessives.
It’s an all absorbing hobby that they think is vitally important, not realising that only a few percent of the population share their interest.
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 9:24 am
Nick Reece was dealt with the following day. Gillard, of course, knew nothing about it and then proceeded to defend the dirt file.
Note also, if they can’t find any “dirt”, they invent it.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 9:27 am
Even fewer are interested in the lies of Emily List operatives.
Not even Doug Cameron gives a shit, and he has been intimidated since he entered the national spotlight.
.
11 Sep 12 at 9:28 am
I doubt we’ll hear about Tony Abbott having affairs with several married women with young children and contributing to breakup of their marriages.
I’m sure this creep McTernan and A. Albanese will invent something, however, they are terrible liars.
candy
11 Sep 12 at 9:30 am
CL.The trouble with opinion, yours or mine, is that it is exactly that. The secret is to think about what is said. If that senator can’t perform on a TV show how does she go in the Senate.
I’m glad I’m not your wife. Or maybe you haven’t discussed it with her.
alan
11 Sep 12 at 9:33 am
That’s outrageous.
If that’s the case, why is he still here?
Keith
11 Sep 12 at 9:34 am
Looking at the agressive anti-social trolling he is doing, it looks like Stepford’s husband gave him a real serve last night.
You really do have to deal with your problems constructively Steve instead of this passive agressive anger that is so personally destructive.
Token
11 Sep 12 at 9:35 am
You’d think so, yeah?
When I was queuing at the green grocer’s last week, the conversation between the check out operator (and owner, a woman of around 40 years old)and the local electrician (a man looking to be in his mid to late 30′s)were talking quite openly about Gillard and how the AWU scandal has shown her for the untrustworthy and dodgy character she is. Given I live in a very staunch and historically safe Labor seat, I was rather astounded. Astounded they even knew about the Gillard AWU scandal, and astounded they spoke about it in public. And not in hushed tones either.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 9:35 am
Gawd, candy, it seems the intensive counselling you would need if it were revealed that Abbott hasn’t been the perfect husband would go on for years.
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 9:38 am
Gab you are correct.
My teacher friend who is a Paul Keating fanboy and ex ALP supporter says at school, teachers, notoriously left wing as they are, openly sledge Gillard with vigour.
You would not have seen that two years ago.
PS
Most teachers hate the national curriculum. They know it is a vehicle for socialist inculcation of the youth.
Gillard ought to be charged with asebia and forced to drink hemlock.
.
11 Sep 12 at 9:41 am
How’s that Bedford van working out for ya,”ailane”?
.
11 Sep 12 at 9:50 am
CL
Why do you bother watching shite like Q&A. Leave it alone. If we sensible people stop watching such rubbish it will wither away and die.
Rococo Liberal
11 Sep 12 at 9:55 am
Well, you’ll recall that my courier thought that Gillard was starting to “put some runs on the board”, even though he still basically hates her.
I think the current sentiment of “jeez, it would be good to get rid of Tony, but replace him with who?” was very much kicked off by the recent terrible 7.30 interview he gave.
Anyway, we’ll see.
In the meantime, I recommend Catallaxy participants start to stop up on tissues (for the tears) for the re-election of Obama in November.
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 9:55 am
The trouble with opinion, yours or mine, is that it is exactly that.
You hear this all the time now, that an opinion is neither right nor wrong; it’s just an opinion. But the claim is self-refuting. If it were so there could be no difference of opinion; but since we do have differences of opinion, and since an opinion can be contradicted or denied by another opinion the above claim is false.
dover_beach
11 Sep 12 at 9:59 am
“Gawd, candy, it seems the intensive counselling you would need if it were revealed that Abbott hasn’t been the perfect husband would go on for years”
oh I don’t know Steve, wouldn’t surprise me if Blair or Bolt etc shone some light on her affairs with the married men, since Marr and others are hell bent on destroying Mr Abbott’s reputation.
Fair’s fair, it’s tough in politics by looks of it.
candy
11 Sep 12 at 9:59 am
lol
Want to to put some money where your mouth is liar?
JamesK
11 Sep 12 at 10:04 am
Orwellian BS – now ‘Austerity’ means raising taxes?
Austerity was supposed to mean cutting government spending. Now it means raising taxes?
No. Raising taxes is just raising taxes.
France is going down, down, down. They might as well just go full communist and see if they can get the SNCF to arrive on time.
The only redeeming feature left about France is it’s unwillingness to indulge in nanny-state idiocy.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 10:05 am
Personally I don’t care too much if this happens, because the chances of the US balancing a budget and stopping Federal Government growth is pretty much nil anyway, regardless of who gets elected.
Another Obama term will serve them better in the long run. All addictions need to reach rock bottom before they can change their thinking. When the average American wakes up and realises that China could cart away the entire contents of Fort Knox and still not even knock off a 10th of the foreign debt – maybe they’ll decide another century or half-century of hard work and prudence is in order, rather than hunting around looking for people to blame and fleece.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 10:09 am
Clint Eastwood, unrepentant (as he should be)
http://www.pineconearchive.com/120907-1.html
jtfsoon
11 Sep 12 at 10:09 am
Andrew Wilkie has spoken to the “majority of Australians” and they’ve all said “they don’t want the super-trawler” operating here.
He also said that he can’t find one Tasmanian who wants the super-trawler. That’s a lot of people Wilkie has canvassed. When did he have the time?
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 10:10 am
Jason, if you think the Clint bit gave the convention good PR, I strongly recommend you never, ever, consider a late career in advertising.
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 10:16 am
Clint achieved his purpose.
And the purpose wasn’t to give “the convention good PR”, liar.
He certainly raised the tv ratings for Romney and Rubio though.
Not that was his purpose either liar.
JamesK
11 Sep 12 at 10:21 am
I wonder what Les thought about the Republican convention.
He can send emails to my blog hotmail address and I’ll pass them on. (When I remember to check that address.)
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 10:23 am
Working through the chapters on the Sun King in Rothbard’s Economic Thought Before Adam Smith at the moment.
The result of the statist Hollande’s tax policies mirror the results the statist Louis XVIV got.
Talk about history rhyming.
Token
11 Sep 12 at 10:24 am
Clint achieved his purpose.
He sure rattled SFB.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 10:24 am
No, it’s not about opinion.
Jones was factually, demonstraby, unqualifiedly wrong.
End of story.
————————————————-
See also Malcolm Turnbull – Mr 14 Percent.
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 10:25 am
Liar Steve or Rasmussen? Which would you choose to believe?
Now the Republicans can advertise on equal footing to Obama, the campaign hots up.
Along those lines, wait until the footage of the DNC booing God & Jerusalem gets played endlessly in Florida & the mid-west.
Token
11 Sep 12 at 10:28 am
Steve, do you still want to slap Gab around?
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 10:28 am
Gay ‘marriage’ ['non existent'] slippery slope watch:
Top Hollywood Director Believes Incest Is Acceptable.
Next up: beagles.
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 10:32 am
Clint Eastwood confirms he laid a brilliant trap for the Twitterati:
The trolls are still trying to pretend it didn’t happen, even as “empty chair” jokes become the new anti-Obama meme.
Have you noticed that the trash who read Fairfax are addicted to Hollywood gossip that used to be uncool fashion death for the left?
Tom
11 Sep 12 at 10:34 am
Tony Abbott steals puppies from the Lost Dogs Home, clubs them to death, skins them in his shed and makes his wife sew them into fluffy murdered-puppy-dog budgie-smugglers that he wears around the house and also on midnight peeping tom excursions around the neighborhood.
#FAIRFACT.
sdog
11 Sep 12 at 10:37 am
Also, he once ran over a dolphin with his jet-ski, then turned around and went back to it, punched it in the face, and then ran it over again for good measure. Twice. While wearing his murdered-puppy-dog budgie-smugglers, which still had murdered-puppy-dog blood on them.
#FAIRFACT
sdog
11 Sep 12 at 10:37 am
Okay, so let’s gather all this together.
1. Incest is now acceptable
2. Ped0philes are just misunderstood ans shouldn’t be jailed
3. Perving on children forced into sex is just stress relief.
The Left’s morality on display.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 10:39 am
CL, context is everything.
Such as – you are dishonest yet dummies like Keith believe your version of events.
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 10:40 am
Powerline delves into one of the supposedly “unskewed” polls and finds this:
The upside is the law of unintended results.
The end result of the MSM making the poll # dodgy is that it will ensure the Republican base does not become complacent & comes out in great numbers.
Token
11 Sep 12 at 10:43 am
” context is everything”
ridiculous – truth is truth, what a silly billy u are
candy
11 Sep 12 at 10:43 am
Once, when his neighbor’s wife had to tread on his lawn to pickup her mis-thrown newspaper, Tony Abbott gave her the stinkeye and three weeks later all her begonias got powdery mildew and died.
#FAIRFACT
sdog
11 Sep 12 at 10:43 am
Especially as Romney/Ryan still has most of its warchest intact whereas the Chosen One is running on empty.
Cold-Hands
11 Sep 12 at 10:43 am
Last night, Helen McCabe was defending the fairy story about Abbott being a misogynist. Mid her diatribe she said that Abbott certainly had a problem, had a problem with Labor women.
I have a problem with Labor women, and I’m tipping it’s the same issue as Abbott is alleged to have – Labor women are incompetent little brats.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 10:44 am
Oh, I see. You were Taken Out of Context when you ‘joked’ about slapping Gab around, Steve?
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 10:46 am
Comprehension fail on your part.
Unsurprising.
Keith
11 Sep 12 at 10:48 am
Imagine that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VJVw32EkIM
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 10:51 am
Context.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 10:51 am
I’ll take that as a difference of opinion.
As for Clint and the empty chair, I saw “This Day Tonight” do it about 35 years ago. About the same time Clint had all his marbles
alan
11 Sep 12 at 10:52 am
SfB only said Gab needed slapping around because he was temporarily afflicted by Tony Abbott’s Overt Climate of Violence Towards Women. In fact a full 75% of Australian domestic violence in the years 2007-2012 (incl) can and should be laid directly at the feet of Tony Abbott.
#FAIRFACT
sdog
11 Sep 12 at 10:52 am
So I’m a dummy then ?
Is that why you won’t debate ?
It’s always the latest unicorn sighting with you, especially when the topic of Gillard/AWU/S&G dismissal slush funds for lovers comes up.
Keith
11 Sep 12 at 10:53 am
Keep talking, lefties.
dover_beach
11 Sep 12 at 10:53 am
I’ll take that as a difference of opinion.
That refutes yours.
dover_beach
11 Sep 12 at 10:55 am
Incest is fine. Do not smoke afterwards though lest ye offend modern society’s delicate sensibilities.
Infidel Tiger
11 Sep 12 at 10:56 am
So,we can do whatever we want,just don’t punch walls?
Tal
11 Sep 12 at 10:58 am
Or smoke
Tal
11 Sep 12 at 11:00 am
sdog,
Ok, you had me agreeing TA is an ar#ehole in parts I & II,
but this
is just beyond the pale.
I’m calling #bullshit.
Rudiau
11 Sep 12 at 11:02 am
The blog owners would be acting with complete propriety to permanently exile sfb if he doesn’t apologise to Gab forthwith.
Keith
11 Sep 12 at 11:04 am
A forced apology is no apology at all in my book, Keith.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 11:09 am
You would say that, you homophobic misogynist neo-liberal Murdoch shill.
#DENIER.
sdog
11 Sep 12 at 11:11 am
homophobic misogynist neo-liberal Murdoch shill.
Outstanding. That should be included in your CV, Rudiau.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 11:15 am
Clint or Clooney, that is the Question.
alan
11 Sep 12 at 11:18 am
sdog
Who me?
LoL
Rudiau
11 Sep 12 at 11:24 am
Dog, you’re just giving Sydney’s Greenfilth councils an excuse to ban jet-skis in their public swimming pools because they remind them of AbbottAbbottAbbott! The kiddies will be so upset.
Tom
11 Sep 12 at 11:25 am
Speaking of CV material, the lovely Julie Novak is a zealot and the IPA is “a conservative think tank so fervent in its libertarian zeal it would make Republican vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan blush”.
Thus spake the Courier-Mail.
sdog
11 Sep 12 at 11:28 am
Only bogans have swimming pools and powered watercraft.
.
11 Sep 12 at 11:29 am
What the fuck?
Being anti economic rationalism is pro jobs?
Have these fuckers ever heard of stagflation, the 1970s etc?
Every ten of those Government jobs basically costs the private sector thirteen jobs at the same wage rate.
The Courier Mail is not a serious paper.
.
11 Sep 12 at 11:32 am
I’ve been thinking about getting a jet-ski simply because I’ve seen how the mere existence of a noisy pleasure craft gets greenfilth types to clutch their pearls and swoon.
I actually hate the things when I’m in the water myself, but that’s a small price to pay when it comes to annoying wowsers.
Hmm, thinking of that, maybe I’ll revisit a misspent youth and fit a set of open pipes to the old bent 8.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 11:34 am
Steve
I did watch that part of Landline you suggested and was interesting. I think you find landline relaxing because often the stories are uplifting to a point and there is no editorial which is a good thing.
kelly liddle
11 Sep 12 at 11:35 am
Once we finish laying the det cord along the rabbit-proof fence, Western Australia is going to blast itself free from the rest of Australia and I’m bringing in my Blackwater mates from North Carolina to patrol the resultant canal. On jet-skis.
sdog
11 Sep 12 at 11:38 am
“Austerity was supposed to mean cutting government spending. Now it means raising taxes?”
‘Austerity’, as it has been used during the European crisis, has been a deficit-reduction strategy only, regardless of what happens to growth. So it has always meant spending reductions combined with tax increases – attacking the problem from both sides.
Jarrah
11 Sep 12 at 11:41 am
That courier mail article is by Paul Syrvet : not worth reading.
I could tell the article just by the headline.
They are whistling in the wind, the majority of QLD voters knew what they were getting. They will actually deliver a balanced budget, unlike Swan, who couldn’t balance a rubiks cube on a flat table. In the end, responsibility will win the day, because the alternative – putting debt on the never-never – is not sustainable, and anyone with half a brain knows that.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 11:48 am
So what are you suggesting we use to cut the legs off kiddies’ pet pelicans? Machetes???
Tom
11 Sep 12 at 11:49 am
More orwellian crap.
Imaginary growth from debt spending doesn’t exist. It’s just an artefact of partial reporting.
If I borrowed twice my income and spent it on entertainment for my neighbours, nobody would say I was experiencing financial ‘growth’. They’d all say I was a financial fruitcake, and a person not to be trusted.
Yet the masses, delusioned by the magicians trick of measuring ‘aggregate demand’ by GDP, fret about a fall in a meaningless figure, one that isn’t weighed down by debt. Leaving financial fraudsters to pump up a GDP figure by printing money, then award themselves prizes for changing a meaningless number.
The sooner we leave behind these bogus ‘economy’ measures, the better we’re all going to be.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 12:00 pm
Race riot organiser – who waited years to phone Nauru as hundreds died – eager to crack down on internet:
NRL fan Nicola Roxon also strangely keen:
Former Dapto dogs caller and all-round idiot, Ray Hadley – who was last week forced to settle out of court with Andrew Voss, after abusing him with language unlawful to broadcast – is also demanding ‘action’:
Here’s Ray Hadley – anti-abuse campaigner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rjTlVkzIT8
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 12:00 pm
Seconded. Syvret is a Class-A Fucktard and why he is employed (anywhere, in any capacity) is beyond me.
Supplice
11 Sep 12 at 12:02 pm
Race riot organiser – who waited years to phone Nauru as hundreds died – eager to crack down on internet:
NRL fan Nicola Roxon also strangely keen:
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 12:03 pm
The ALP has never come across a problem that can’t be solved with more legislation.
H B Bear
11 Sep 12 at 12:05 pm
Former Dapto dogs caller and all-round idiot, Ray Hadley – who was last week forced to settle out of court with Andrew Voss, after abusing him with language unlawful to broadcast – is also demanding ‘action’:
Here’s Ray Hadley – anti-abuse campaigner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rjTlVkzIT8
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 12:05 pm
Yay. A note of appreciation from kelly.
Other students may discretely leave their notes of appreciation on my desk while I step outside for a moment…
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 12:07 pm
“If I borrowed twice my income and spent it on entertainment for my neighbours, nobody would say I was experiencing financial ‘growth’.”
I don’t disagree, but you’re just highlighting the deficiency of GDP as a measure, and the folly of concentrating on it to the exclusion of the real components of economies.
European austerity has been cast as a simple mathematical exercise, ignoring their actual problems.
Jarrah
11 Sep 12 at 12:08 pm
The Courier Mail is a curious paper within the Newscorp stable.
Little know fact – Dennis Atkins fits perfectly into the dents left by David Marr’s arse cheeks on Ol’ Leatherface’s sofa.
H B Bear
11 Sep 12 at 12:11 pm
Look, I think we’re somewhat in the same neighbourhood of agreement here. The term ‘Austerity’ is already completely overloaded to the point of being useless if everyone has a different view of what it is. My beef is that the ‘growth’ campaigners pitch themselves against the ‘austerity’ measures. But as is typical of orwellian double-speak – the ‘growth’ people are actually measuring decline, while the ‘austerity’ measures are actually supposed to fix things (but they won’t because none of them actually reverses government spending or borrowing)
It’s just part of my general frustration that the entire world is looking the wrong way at the wrong things for the wrong reasons. Everyone is sitting at the free lunch table saying ‘isn’t this grand’ – and when someone suggests that, perhaps, at the end of the lunch, a bill might have to be paid, they are hounded as a ‘free lunch denier’ or whatever derogatory term is currently in use.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 12:14 pm
The Queensland Government is only going to sack 14,000 public servants. They look on it as saving 6,000 jobs as they were going to sack 20,000.
I would like to congratulate them for being so Human in there approach.
They now admit that Labor debt is 65 billion not 100 billion as claimed by Premier Newman. So they have saved 35 billion by telling the truth.
alan
11 Sep 12 at 12:14 pm
I actually welcome this new emphasis in politics on student and youthful backgrounds. This is going to backfire spectacularly.
Somebody already has a guilty conscience:
Well well well.
Start digging, folks.
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 12:15 pm
While on that subject, that reminds me. Tanya Plibersek is married to a convicted heroin dealer unless I’m mistaken. Does anyone know if she was in position to know about his activities when hubby was dealing? Just curious that’s all.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 12:18 pm
“Start digging, folks”
bet he’s been actually charged with something, like assault, he has a very angry face.
candy
11 Sep 12 at 12:18 pm
He’s a Scotsman, we all look like that.
alan
11 Sep 12 at 12:26 pm
The Courier Mail headline is ‘Unsavoury’ incidents return to haunt Abbott.
Can we get some interviews with Mesdames Wilson and Emersen? I’d like to know to what extent their lives and the happiness of their children were wrecked by the unsavoury conduct of a certain woman.
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 12:35 pm
Brisbane is a single-paper town.
The courier mail used to be worth reading when it was a broadsheet.
Now in newscorp ‘bang ‘em out’ tabloid format it is a despicable, hopeless rag. I read it sometimes if it is lying around, and always regret opening it.
The fall of the Courier Mail follows the same trajectory of the rise of the Labor government. Somewhere along the line the key paper readers went from being producers to moochers as the southern economic refugees flowed across the border, and the paper obligingly followed suit.
The only thing that could possibly improve the Courier Mail is the addition of page 3 girls (or guys, if that’s your thing)
brc
11 Sep 12 at 12:35 pm
That’s the Brisbane times headline
Pedro
11 Sep 12 at 12:43 pm
“UNIONS CALL FOR SURVEY ON RUDD
The rot has set in and the hounds are baying for blood as two prominent QLD unions call for tenders from polling companies to quantify Rudd’s appeal in marginal seats.
The terms of reference for the survey?
“Find out if Rudd as PM can save more QLD seats than can Gillard!”
Indications are a serious move is afoot to sack Gillard. Labor supporter, David Marr’s timeous report that Abbott may have punched a wall 35 years ago is bordering on psychotic Abbott phobia.
Albanese’s protestations of Abbott misleading Parliament over whether he read a report or not is equally unhinged. Accusations of him being a woman-hater are also stupid but this is a campaign with a sinister reason.
The ALP is desperate for dirt and has set a dangerous course for an election on the unsuitability of Abbott for PM. The ALP’s gamble could backfire as a perceived election “plus”. Gillard has a far seedier past if that’s the gamble they wish play.
But it’s a gamble only if Gillard remains as PM.
Imminent further disclosures on the Wilson/Gillard scandal will emerge well before any election date. The ALP knows this and more importantly the unions know it.
Abbott has not gone near the Gillard/Wilson scandal for good reason. He has no need to and getting down and dirty would be inviting reciprocity. Abbott’s on a winner with the Carbon Tax biting more each day. Throwing dirt loses ground… that’s a political reality.”
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 12:44 pm
Well, that’s nice of Tony to say so.
It’s a pity that most of his followers can’t manage such generosity, ever.
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 12:44 pm
“The only thing that could possibly improve the Courier Mail is the addition of page 3 girls (or guys, if that’s your thing”
even the Age might come good with a page 3 girl, and a page 3 bloke (for the girls). Simple things do work.
candy
11 Sep 12 at 12:44 pm
The CM is pretty balanced on that story, but they’re preferring to focus on a loony bishop complaining that being gay is a health hazard. I suppose the problem is that brainy people no longer end up in the church.
Pedro
11 Sep 12 at 12:45 pm
“He’s a Scotsman, we all look like that.”
Alan – do Scots people still eat haggis or is that an old fashioned kind of thing now and times moved on. what’s it like? no offence meant, i guess you’ve been asked that hundreds of times anyway.
candy
11 Sep 12 at 12:50 pm
If Gillard’s father felt anything as life’s curtain came down it could have been a sense of overpowering shame.
Bunyip
11 Sep 12 at 12:52 pm
It is a health hazard.
No question.
Not a complaint; a lament.
As for the ‘brainy’ people, they were represented by Tony Jones – who believes the most important book in the history of Western civilisation was written in Hebrew.
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 12:54 pm
Whoops. He said Mr Gillard was a fine Australian. I thought he was complimenting Julia.
I misread.
Tony’s still a violent scumbag then.
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 12:54 pm
Tough but fair. I’ll allow it on points, as he had a lifelong problem with supporting trade unions.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 12:55 pm
They now admit that Labor debt is 65 billion not 100 billion as claimed by Premier Newman. So they have saved 35 billion by telling the truth.
No bozo, if things were left the way they were debt would grow to $100B. But feel free to celebrate the $65B Debt your comrades did leave behind
Dan
11 Sep 12 at 12:56 pm
You’re insulting Abbott by calling him “violent scumbag” becuase he paid a nice tribute to Gillard’s father, SFB?
There’s something very deranged about your thinking process. Are you also good friends with Marr and Deveny? A Twiiter follower too?
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 12:57 pm
Hey, Bunyip. How are they hangin’?
Tom
11 Sep 12 at 12:58 pm
It was a joke, Gab.
Unlike Bunyip, who doesn’t have the good grace to leave snide commentary about the father’s view of Julia alone, despite having lost a parent himself recently.
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 1:00 pm
It was no joke but a mealy-mouthed snide remark. Your trademark, SFB.
I don’t see anything wrong with Bunyip’s honest view on the situation. After all, a parent still loves his child despite the shameful actions of that child.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 1:03 pm
that brainy people
The ‘brights’. LOL.
dover_beach
11 Sep 12 at 1:06 pm
Stepford
Bunyip is only reflecting on how a normal parent would feel about hearing that stuff about their kid that’s recently come out about the Lying slapper.
Do you have a daughter?
How would you feel if in the future her (hypothetically) seedy life came out, such as breaking marriages apart for hook up sessions with thugs even before hook ups were invented, assisting slime buckets like Wilson embezzle funds. I know how I would feel.
It’s not a good way to enter to the after life. I mention the after life because of your conservative Catholic leanings, Step.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 1:08 pm
Tom, things are coming back together and I hope to be tickling the plastic soonish. Indeed, I’m weighing an invitation to contribute the odd thought to well known website.
Ignore SfB. He’s an idiot.
Bunyip
11 Sep 12 at 1:10 pm
Especially since Gillard senior was a coal-miner trade unionist. The thought of a fraudster scumbag running around using the union as his own personal slush fund and scam base, aided and abetted by his own daughter – well, that would weigh heavily on most men. Hooking up with a liar, con-man, adulterer and all-round lowlife. Not a choice most people would make for their children.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 1:12 pm
I’m so glad you said ‘slush fund’ and not ‘trust fund’, brc. You know how angry Gillard gets when people accuse her of setting up a trust fund.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 1:14 pm
“It is a health hazard.”
Really, how so?
Certain forms of promiscuous sex might be health hazards, but those are not compulsory for gays. I said he was a dill because you’d think even a bishop would know the difference between being gay and having unprotected anal sex with somebody you can’t trust on STDs.
Pedro
11 Sep 12 at 1:17 pm
We know.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 1:20 pm
know the difference between being gay and having unprotected anal sex with somebody you can’t trust on STDs.
It’s not just the backdoor, it’s the sneaky blowjobs they give out willy nilly on the dance floor
Dan
11 Sep 12 at 1:22 pm
What the hell is going on the Chicago.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 1:23 pm
The facts seem to show that homosexuality is a health hazard.
There is no such thing as ‘safe’ anal sex, by the way.
We should tell young people this, as we tell them not to smoke.
Wallace’s point stands, unchallenged and irrefutable.
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 1:24 pm
Do it! In these dark and censorius days we need voices of reason to spring forth from the interwebs.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 1:27 pm
Nah, that was a shitty thing to say bunyip, the poor bloke’s dead and you’re ragging on how he would have thought about his daughter. Poor taste. Down-right alp-ish, even. There’s plenty to laugh at without that rubbish.
Dover, do you think Jensen said something stupid or profound?
Pedro
11 Sep 12 at 1:28 pm
Breaking news – Following on from the attempt to break the record for the most claims of Nazi/Racists in Charlotte, SC last week, Lefties in the US can now explain how your choice of lunch may prove you are WWWAAAACCCIIISTTT!!!
Token
11 Sep 12 at 1:34 pm
What the facts show is that any bilge from a bible bashing bastard is gospel for CL
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/30/6/1499.full
Pedro
11 Sep 12 at 1:35 pm
Last week on Q&A, Tony Burke stated he could do nothing to ban the super-trawler.
This week, with a bit of jiggery-pokery and black magic, the super-trawler has been banned from fishing in Australian waters.
When they put their little Borg mind to it, there’s no legislation they cannot conjure up.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 1:37 pm
Oh dear, CL is obsessing about penises again.
m0nty
11 Sep 12 at 1:38 pm
A small chink appears in the ‘all academies agree about CAGW’ meme.
Now, let’s wait for the usual slimers..
Lazlo
11 Sep 12 at 1:39 pm
You know that striking teachers in Obama’s home town, they only seem to be good at looking after themselves at the expense of the children they are entrusted with:
Ed Driscoll notes:
Token
11 Sep 12 at 1:40 pm
I see we haven’t exhausted discussion of fudge packing yet.
You guys really want to discuss this?
Nanuestalker
11 Sep 12 at 1:41 pm
And as for getting with the rest of the world on carbon trading…
Lazlo
11 Sep 12 at 1:42 pm
Certain forms of promiscuous sex might be health hazards, but those are not compulsory for gays. I said he was a dill because you’d think even a bishop would know the difference between being gay and having unprotected anal sex with somebody you can’t trust on STDs.
Except, these “forms” do not need to be compulsory, they just need to be typical. We typically do not make these sorts of qualifications when we describe B as a health hazard. We simply say that on average if you fall under the category B, given the activities typical for B, that you are more likely to contract X, Y, and/or Z, then A.
Dover, do you think Jensen said something stupid or profound?
I missed that part of the show so I cannot say. He certainly seemed the most profound participant on that panel given what I saw.
dover_beach
11 Sep 12 at 1:44 pm
I’m interested by the talk of Gillard’s involvemernt in the Goldfields Accident and Death Fund.
Oh boy.
So she really was bonnie to Wilson’s clyde.
twostix
11 Sep 12 at 1:47 pm
Don’t these guys like eating seafood? they don’t like the cattle industry either. Seems that Burke and Wong also hate dairy, rice, fruit and sheep & wheat.
The Greens seem to shut down fishing everywhere else.
When there is no more primary industry left, you’ll find out that you cannot eat stimulus packages…
.
11 Sep 12 at 1:47 pm
From the link:
So no fiery planet death, no
billionsmillionsthousandsany climate refugees?You don’t say.
I suspect the German Academy of Science is about to be discredited as a scientific academy in 3…2…1…
I guess we could open a betting pool on (a) right wing think tanks (b) big oil (c) big coal (d) denialists being the cause of this strategic retreat.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 1:48 pm
Hey Bunyip welcome back,how ya doing,alright?
Tal
11 Sep 12 at 1:50 pm
Some X do Y, Y is dangerous, therefore being X is dangerous. Okey dokey
Pedro
11 Sep 12 at 1:51 pm
the cause of this strategic retreat.
I’m tipping
1. Abbott’s fault
2. The evil IPA
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 1:51 pm
“The facts seem to show that homosexuality is a health hazard.”
Heterosexuality is also a health hazard, and by your logic should be discouraged.
I know Catholics are uptight about sex, but I think that’s going too far
Jarrah
11 Sep 12 at 1:53 pm
From Lazlos other link:
I sense a plea for money coming along…
and here it is…
Only x months/years (delete as applicable) to save the planet. Where have we heard this ‘ol scam before?
Ah, the sweet, sweet sound of synthetic market collapse.
Governments invent a synthetic market where they create both the demand and the supply, and then manipulate it to close industries. When industries close, the market collapses, and then they run around trying to work out why nobody will touch the market.
Why are we still talking about central planning in 2012? This stuff was comprehensively debunked 50 years ago.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 1:53 pm
Fuuuucckk
There’s more, Stix. I’m speechless.
This one is pretty bad if they were siphoning off money meant for the dead families.
There’s some serious amount of insider leaking going on here.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 1:54 pm
“Some” X?
Are you saying it’s not a prerequisite?
twostix
11 Sep 12 at 1:58 pm
3. America becoming self sufficient in energy from evil shale and gas
Dan
11 Sep 12 at 1:59 pm
Some X do Y, Y is dangerous, therefore being X is dangerous. Okey dokey
But we’re not talking about a subset of X, we’re talking about the set X, and the avg. instance of A, B, and/or C for the set X, Pedro. Okey dokey?
Heterosexuality is also a health hazard, and by your logic should be discouraged.
We call it marriage.
dover_beach
11 Sep 12 at 2:03 pm
Kevni really has lost his mojo and is reduced to writing whiny weaksauce whinges about the truimphal Newman:
Read it and weep for the state of the ALP’s “intellectual” thought:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/opinion/right-owe-debt-of-gratitude-to-fear/story-e6frerc6-1226471242322
Apparently because Spain has 24% unemployment that means that anything below that is A-ok.
Oh and Newman is about to be replaced.
Like SfB is stuck at his peak in 2004, Kevin’s clearly stuck at his peak of 2009.
The comments aren’t kind.
twostix
11 Sep 12 at 2:04 pm
This is correct, if you’re talking statistically dangerous.
Some Teenagers drive cars fast and crash. Crashing is dangerous. Therefore being a teenager with a car is dangerous.
It is not a abuse of logic to say that, if you see a teenager with a car, get out of the way. Not all teenagers drive cars fast, and not all who drive cars fast crash. But enough do to make it dangerous.
Of course there are exceptions, but generally the rule holds true.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 2:05 pm
200 million, apparently, in the usual revision (upwards and outwards):
http://asiancorrespondent.com/70292/where-are-the-climate-refugees-the-academics-don%E2%80%99t-know-either/
Not to Germany, so where then?
Ivan Denisovich
11 Sep 12 at 2:10 pm
@Brc
Aren’t those the statistical reasonings that lead to more and more dangerous legislation that infringe on everybody’s rights?
Dan
11 Sep 12 at 2:12 pm
Not to Germany, so where then?
They are all stuck in their home countries wishing they had basic amenities like fresh water and sewerage so they didn’t have to emigrate to some far off land away from their ancestors and broader family. Oh, and they don’t give a toss about climate change.
Dan
11 Sep 12 at 2:18 pm
@dan – not my argument. Just clarifying the logic of sayings a statement like that.
If a lot of smokers get lung cancer, then it’s fair to say that being a smoker means you’re at higher risk of lung cancer. This might not be true at the individual level, but it’s true for the group.
Pedro seemed to indicate that the logic was suspect. That’s what I’m responding to. I definitively do not want to get involved in the ‘fudge packing’ (h/t nanu) argument.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 2:21 pm
I see the fallout from Jensen’s tour de force triumph last night – which included a memorable humiliation of Tony Jones – is hitting the fag hag lobby hard today.
That’s good.
Because his point stands, as does Wallace’s – unchallenged and irrefutable.
Homosexuality is a health hazard.
There is no such thing as a ‘safe’ number of anal sex encounters. It is very much comparable to smoking in that sense.
Incidentally, Jensen has degrees – up to and including a coveted D. Phil – from Sydney University, the University of London and Oxford University.
In the other corner – speaking for Pedro and wacko anti-depressive campaigner Monty – Catherine Deveny.
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 2:23 pm
Apparently you’ve been obsessing about it here in absentia, CL, according to the man who told us last week that hetero sex was no longer necessary.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 2:31 pm
The true Church in England lives!
.
11 Sep 12 at 2:32 pm
Candy. I have a Tartan, I have never eaten Haggis, I have drunk Scotch.
You are the only person that has ever asked me.
There are lots of native Scots and ex-pats that consume all those things on a regular basis. Haggis can be bought in Sydney
alan
11 Sep 12 at 2:34 pm
Yeah, that must be why we’ve outbread every other denomination.
Maybe you missed Monty Python’s take on non-Catholics and sex.
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 2:37 pm
Thank you Dan.
alan
11 Sep 12 at 2:41 pm
In Parliament, the health minister – whose husband is a convicted heroin trafficker – is talking about morality, trauma and caring for people.
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 2:41 pm
Despicable ****.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 2:45 pm
Reading between the lines in Judith’s article today, you can see why Heather Sell-Out was happy to be the part of the Potemkin village of business leaders for Rudd & Gillard:
With that type of attitude there is no surprises why she was keen to shaft the members of the AIG.
You can bet Heather and her “peers” in the executive of AIG will be vocal in opposing member interests and blocking the regulation of Industry Super Funds.
Token
11 Sep 12 at 2:45 pm
Europeans eat disgusting stuff. Horses, dogs, insides. It’s not just one country. The whole lot a disgusting.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 2:46 pm
From the Greens/Lovers Tiff thread,
I have never seen the Left/Right dichotomy explained so concisely. I don’t mind saying that it scares the beejesus out of me.
H/T Jannie
Huckleberry Chunkwot
11 Sep 12 at 2:52 pm
Surely this weeks ratcheting up of the howling and shit flinging signals that something is coming very soon.
twostix
11 Sep 12 at 2:58 pm
They’re going to try and push ahead with the Malaysian Deal and have already started to blame Abbott for the delay. What else, I don;t know.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 3:00 pm
Chunkwart telling the kids scary stories around the campfire: “Then, despite the warning, he looked behind him. And there, standing in the doorway, the red haired politician said ‘we should raise more revenue from the rich to ensure a fairer society”!
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 3:00 pm
Chris Kenny spats the cave to ShutUp! & GruenReich Peace:
Token
11 Sep 12 at 3:01 pm
Ripper of an article, twostix.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 3:06 pm
Amusing.
Over at Democratic Undergound, one of the Democrats “grass roots” activist sites a thread exists where old washed up 60′s feminists and losers are lamenting the fact that their good for nothing sons and daughters are rejecting their wise activist parental teachings vis-a-vis politics and becoming well adjusted republicans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021304176
twostix
11 Sep 12 at 3:06 pm
Huck, why do you think the Left hates Free Speech and needs to muzzle blogs & talk back radio?
The Tea Party (and the Carbon Tax protesters) scares them even more as it is a ligitimate popular revolts of the middle and lower classes whereby these people wish to set the agenday instead of being responsive to the lefty reactionaries who plunder the ever-expanding public purse while they distract attention with the latest scare/tirade.
Token
11 Sep 12 at 3:07 pm
Ivan, the climate refugees didn’t go to Germany – they just melted.
Winston SMITH
11 Sep 12 at 3:09 pm
oops, apologies, Token.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 3:10 pm
Not I!
twostix
11 Sep 12 at 3:10 pm
Here is the leech on society SoB raises the red flag of Socialism again.
Faux Conservatives of the world unite and overthrow your oppressors.
Token
11 Sep 12 at 3:10 pm
Niall Ferguson: Why Obama Is Winning
m0nty
11 Sep 12 at 3:13 pm
Stix
We have friends (our kids went to school together)….. The couple are life long Westside Demolitionists. Westside Demolitionists make Fitzroy leftwingers look right wing. Typically they’re lefties and hypocritical as one spouse worked on the tobacco case in the 90′s in support of the big bad tobacco firms.
Anyways their kid was my son’s good friend all through school and he became a Republican in high school. He even supported gun ownership we were told! He’s a lawyer now living in Alaska and living the Republican life.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 3:15 pm
Chris Kenny should get all the credit, I’m happy to be the cypher.
As the Stenographers are carefully coordinating with Lie-Bore in the sleazy Abbott, Abbott, Abbott distraction Mark CCLXXXIV the Gaffe Machine that is the Red Yabbi is once again trying to get away with an amazing cave.
Token
11 Sep 12 at 3:16 pm
“We call it marriage.”
Good point, dover_beach. The safest form of sex is one-partner monogamy (as opposed to serial monogamy). This is codified in the social institution of marriage.
In the interests of homosexual health, you will now advocate that gays be allowed to marry, right?
“Yeah, that must be why we’ve outbread every other denomination.”
That’s because you’re also uptight about contraception.
Jarrah
11 Sep 12 at 3:24 pm
“Candy. I have a Tartan, I have never eaten Haggis, I have drunk Scotch.
You are the only person that has ever asked me.”
okay, well I don’t think i’m up for haggis either! I do like the look of tartan fabric products but, such cheerful warm colours for throwover rugs and cushions and stuff, just speaking of Scottish style of things.
I’d ask you the colour and style of your Tartan, but it might all be a bit trite for the open forum people! hope it’s blue/green but.
candy
11 Sep 12 at 3:25 pm
Shortly leftism to young people will be what straight “square” conservatism was to the rebel youth in 1960.
Wide eyed libertarianism is making nice inroads into youth culture, soon it will the on campus rebel cause du-jour.
Leftists will be the establishment trying to ban it and denouncing it in the name of “immorality” and “civility”…oh look that’s already happening.
twostix
11 Sep 12 at 3:25 pm
“As the Stenographers are carefully coordinating with Lie-Bore in the sleazy Abbott, Abbott, Abbott distraction Mark CCLXXXIV the Gaffe Machine that is the Red Yabbi is once again trying to get away with an amazing cave.”
Are you having a stroke?
Jarrah
11 Sep 12 at 3:25 pm
Steve you indolent, emasculated, oxygen and pixel thief.
Remind me again how a self confessed “conservative” would not find socialist wealth redistribution policy such as you have described, abhorrent?
What, you can’t? That is because you are a liar.
You do not have a conservative bone in your body. If you had been smart enough to get into uni, you would have been a member of the on campus Socialist Forum.
If you were motivated enough to be employed, you would have been the shop steward.
Unfortunately, you are neither smart nor motivated and as a consequence you spend your days here annoying the crap out of people.
Fuck off and stop lying.
If you were not such a despicable fucking liar, you may get a little respect on this site.
Huckleberry Chunkwot
11 Sep 12 at 3:27 pm
And you support the return to pre no fault divorce, right?
In the interests of “homosexual health”.
twostix
11 Sep 12 at 3:28 pm
Always a good way to start a comment directed to stepford.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 3:32 pm
Here’s the fucking head of the teachers union in Chicago
Here’s a typical fucking teacher.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 3:40 pm
Kyrie eleison.
Save us from those fat, unproductive, ill spoken, tax eating teachers that probably eat kids.
.
11 Sep 12 at 3:46 pm
They remind me of United Airlines flight attendants.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 3:49 pm
Ahem:
Increasing taxes, when appropriate, does not make one a socialist.
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 3:49 pm
Yes. He had to fight to the Soviet Union and force it to surrender and collapse.
He should have cut waste, held taxes stable at worst and reformed US trade, occupational licensing and monetary policy more.
.
11 Sep 12 at 3:52 pm
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/labor_shields_the_greens_it_said_wanted_to_divorce/
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/labor_squibs_the_real_fight_with_the_greens/
Ivan Denisovich
11 Sep 12 at 3:53 pm
Nice strawman, who said it does except you?
The problem is SoB you can’t help making statements where you regurgitate the socialist dogma you’ve believed all your life.
This is like Obama’s “Share the Wealth Around” comment. Only a socialist would think it is not a big deal.
Token
11 Sep 12 at 4:03 pm
On the super trawler – blind freddy could tell that fishing already had quotas and limits. So one trawler going out for a long time would catch exactly the same amount of fish as 10 or more smaller trawlers.
What the green idiots failed to absorb was that one larger ship doing the fishing was always going to be more efficient than a set of smaller ships. As is usual for them – there will now be more, smaller ships burning diesel and running over turtles and dolphins rather than one larger, more efficient ship. The exact same number of fish will be caught, either way.
The only outcome will be worse environmentally, plus a further dropping of confidence in the Australian government, and yet more evidence how the green tail wags the Labor dog.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 4:08 pm
Good point, dover_beach. The safest form of sex is one-partner monogamy (as opposed to serial monogamy). This is codified in the social institution of marriage.
You mean, codified, as is “between a man and a woman”?
In the interests of homosexual health, you will now advocate that gays be allowed to marry, right?
Except, they don’t, as a rule, want or practice monogamy. They want polyamory; from ‘monogamish’, at best to promiscuity at worst.
dover_beach
11 Sep 12 at 4:08 pm
So JC, are you still holding out any hope for R-Money? Obama’s convention bounce was bigger than Mitt’s. Silver pegs Obama as four to one on favourite, up from three to one on. What changes the game from here on in?
m0nty
11 Sep 12 at 4:09 pm
Speaking of United Airlines, they’re quoting return flights to NY in November at around $1300. A freaking steal.
dover_beach
11 Sep 12 at 4:10 pm
What changes the game from here on in?
The debates, monty. I also tend to think that Dick Morris is on the money here.
dover_beach
11 Sep 12 at 4:12 pm
Obama is a far better orator.
And you’re talking about Dick Morris, who says Hillary is a hostage whom Obama will kill, and Bill Clinton delivered a zinger of a speech because his agenda is to undermine Obama? Morris who says Obama thinks Jews don’t care about Israel? Morris who claims Akin is a big plus for Romney? Morris is a fruit loop.
m0nty
11 Sep 12 at 4:20 pm
SfB, why keep arguing the point?
You are as close to being a conservative as Julia is to being honest (or moral).
Why the charade?
Just come out loud and proud and declare yourself, ” Hi, my name is Steve and I am a socialist”
You will feel much better about yourself and I am sure that you will not receive anywhere near as much vitriol on this site as you have in the past.
I think that people will have at least a smidgen of respect for someone that declares their position and then argues a case for that position.
Rightly, people have no respect for an inveterate liar who prances around here wearing the cloak of conservatism as a disguise.
BTW, how is the working with children check going?
Huckleberry Chunkwot
11 Sep 12 at 4:28 pm
The semenblogger working with children? Say it aint so, Huck!
Now if he’d just punched a wall or something, that’d be ok.
blogstrop
11 Sep 12 at 4:33 pm
m0nty -
Clearly you know sweet FA about POTUS elections, it all starts after the conventions with the debates. Current projections have the election as a 50/50 split. I expect no more than 10 electorial college votes will be the the difference if Obama holds but if things continue to go Romney’s way expect a 30 vote margin.
Nanuestalker
11 Sep 12 at 4:34 pm
mOnty, how do you suggest we celebrate the Obama win in November? If we can both get to Sydney, I think Sussex Street will spring for a tofu and vegetarian feast in Chinatown, followed by an evening at that new play “The Anal Monologues”.
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 4:38 pm
than Biden, sure, but he’s nothing without TOTUS and anyone who says otherwise deserves to have rotten eggs thrown at them and laughed outta town.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 4:40 pm
The essential poll of Labor government decisions has some interesting data:
Decisions of the Labor governemtn
We all know what comes in dead last (‘there will be no…’)
But what comes in second last, less popular than the NBN – why, it’s removing Workchoices!
But…but…The unions told us that nobody likes Workchoices? Why is it, then, that the percentage of voters that supports the Labor party is higher than the number of people that supported the removal of Workchoices?
The bias of Essential media is on display with the questions – like ‘implementing the gonski report’ – as if announcing some never-never spending in 10 years amounts to a policy.
And this one ‘Expanding dental health services for people on low incomes’ – 78% support! Why not ask them if they hate murdering kittens – I’m sure you can get nearly 99% support on that one. I’d like to see the response to ‘increasing your tax paid by $1000/yr to supply dental health services’ – now that would be an interesting response.
If that’s the standard, then Abbott should announce a new 2-pack kitchen for every house between 2035 and 2040. I mean, if we’re going to judge uncosted, non-detailed air-fairy announcements….
brc
11 Sep 12 at 4:42 pm
I love the Prof Bunyip but…….
Liar was right to call him out.
It doesn’t serve him well but given his own circumstances probably understandable.
It wouldn’t really matter if he wasn’t a hero to many of us but he is.
JamesK
11 Sep 12 at 4:42 pm
Guys, smartarse p_edo “jokes” just show what offensive idiots the joke teller is. I have a couple of kids and tire of your repetitive stupidity. Grow up.
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 4:42 pm
Nah Blog, it ‘aint the case.
I have just been trying to make the point that Steve shows signs of being a bit of a sexual n’er do-well in addition to his open misogyny. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if there were impediments to him being able to apply for said check.
I have asked him on many occasions if he has such issues, but he has never answered.
Huckleberry Chunkwot
11 Sep 12 at 4:43 pm
Once again Muttly, your insight engulfs all others. Clearly Morris is a fruit loop and you are an unappreciated genius with a global reach, plus in this case, armed with a superior understanding of US political machinations.
It would be a social service (or almost a branch of justice) if you craft an all encompassing OP based on your superior knowledge of diet, fitness and being an internet CEO. Will ya?
DavidJ
11 Sep 12 at 4:43 pm
I say we burn down St Andrew’s, followed by a tour of brothels on the good ole HSU credit card.
m0nty
11 Sep 12 at 4:48 pm
reminds me, how is your mate Julian Burnside, SFB? Has he twittered anymore ‘Abbott is a ped0′ smirks?
Yes? No? What about “jokes” calling Abbott a ‘violent scumbag’ as you did today? That musta been hilarious on planet grub.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 4:48 pm
If Sinc asks nicely.
m0nty
11 Sep 12 at 4:50 pm
Larry Pickering says that two QLD unions have issued tender for polling on Gillard v Rudd for least seats lost.
That this ties in with upping the ante on Abbott being vile woman basher unable to control his urges /sarc off
If so, can anyone say when election would be called? Would Rudd want time to bed in or would they rush to polls on the glow of salvation?
Helen Armstrong
11 Sep 12 at 4:51 pm
The Labor-Green backflip is just the latest example of the massive increase in sovereign risk under this worst government in living memory.
This reeks almost as much as Conroy’s interference in the Australia Network tender that was twice awarded to Sky News.
Twelve months to go and Australia’s long term economic interests will continue to be damaged right up to election night.
H B Bear
11 Sep 12 at 4:52 pm
“Liar was right to call him out.”
Fuck that. Gillard deliberately choose to exploit and weave her own political survival into the public statement.
DavidJ
11 Sep 12 at 4:53 pm
If we can both get to Sydney, I think Sussex Street will spring for a tofu and vegetarian feast in Chinatown, followed by an evening at that new play “The Anal Monologues”.
Sorry, but if the two of you are performing won’t it be the “The Anal Dialogue”.
dover_beach
11 Sep 12 at 4:53 pm
Steve, you don’t need to be a ped0 to be denied a working with children card.
Registered sex offenders are not able to apply. To be a registered sex offender does not require one to have diddled kiddies.
You have on many, many occasions exhibited rank sexual perversion along with rampant misogyny. When this is wrapped up with you declaring that you want to smack around one of the female contributors to this site, there are conclusions to be drawn about your character.
No-one is intimating that you are a ped0, and believe me, if I had an inkling that you were I would be straight to the cops about it.
I don’t make jokes about that shit, unlike your leftist heroes as Gab has already pointed out.
Huckleberry Chunkwot
11 Sep 12 at 4:58 pm
“If Sinc asks nicely.”
As an alternate deal and just for simply posting a substantial thought in the OT, what if I offered you a $200 voucher for KFC?
Imagine… buckets, wraps, chips, potato, nuggets, gravy, all beyond your wildest culinary dreams.
You name the outlet and I will prepay the credit note.
You seem trustworthy.
DavidJ
11 Sep 12 at 5:04 pm
issuedtender invited tender ….Helen Armstrong
11 Sep 12 at 5:04 pm
Hey Chunkwart, here’s the thing: if you’re arguing politics, as most of the arguments here are about, you don’t have to attack someone you disagree with by saying “by the way, I think you’re a sex offender of some kind”.
Radical idea for you, I know, reeking as it would of a glimmer of maturity.
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 5:11 pm
According to the Queensland Treasurer the debt that Labor left was $63.7 billion.
That’s $1.3 billion less than this morning.
Is this the only accounting error or is there more to come?
alan
11 Sep 12 at 5:12 pm
That reflected on her not on our beloved Bunyip.
The reverse is true for Bunyip’s comment earlier on this thread.
Frustration is inevitable as the Left are always dishonest.
The only way they win in the first place is to pretend to be conservatives and the only way they deflect criticism is to demonise conservatives.
Besides it’s what the MSM want her to say.
She can’t disappoint them.
They’ve got her back and need rewarding
JamesK
11 Sep 12 at 5:16 pm
I’m more of a Nando’s man, DavidJ.
m0nty
11 Sep 12 at 5:18 pm
Of course. The polls are very volatile within a narrow band. However they will break convincingly I think.
Looks like it, doesn’t it. Lets see if it holds.
Does he? Intrade seems about the same.
A couple of things change the game. Does the Kenyan’s expected bounce have staying power, which we will see over the next few weeks.
The debates could change things.
Both the betting and the polls suggest a Kenyan win at the moment.
Personally I don’t think it will happen, but talk is cheap and I’m not prepared to bet on it.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 5:23 pm
Hi Alan
That so-called error in 1.5% of the total, you dickhead. Get it into perspective. They also left that debt in a 150 year terms of trade boom which in itself is astonishing. Now fuck off.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 5:27 pm
maturity eh?
Fuck off Steve.
I will stop questioning your proclivities when you are able to engage in debate without continually resorting to crass sexual language and imagery, misogynistic diatribes and threats to assault the women who frequent the site.
As for engaging in political argument, maybe you should try it.
Generally, arguments require the participants to have their own views. You have repeatedly shown that you are incapable of forming your own views, instead relying on providing stupid links to irrelevant leftist websites as if that somehow makes your case.
Keep your mind out of the gutter, your hands off the women and take your trolling to somewhere where it is welcome.
Huckleberry Chunkwot
11 Sep 12 at 5:28 pm
“Except, they don’t, as a rule, want or practice monogamy.”
All those married gays don’t want or practise monogamy?
“You mean, codified, as is “between a man and a woman”?”
Codification varies between cultures and eras.
Jarrah
11 Sep 12 at 5:30 pm
Nothing I’ve seen changes my view that Romney will win a comfortable victory.
He’d have to self-immolate and that ain’t gonna happen.
JamesK
11 Sep 12 at 5:34 pm
Someone in a thread at the LGF blog the other day said “wingers are masters of projection”, and I knew exactly what he meant.
steve from brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 5:42 pm
Then there’s this:
It’s very tight. This isn’t really a great position for an incumbent to be in. But I still go with the polls and Intrade favoring the Kenyan. I have no edge to make a prediction based on the tightness as it stands now.
If the pollster is right about the fact that the battlegrounds have expanded rather than contracted then it’s a problem for the Kenyan.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 5:44 pm
“I’m more of a Nando’s man, DavidJ.”
If that is your depth of negotiation skills, it explains your tenure as Ausbone CEO and hence the ultimate corporate outcomes. Go ASIC.
Perhaps focus any potential OP on the safer ground of health and fitness. There is a $200 credit to be eaten.
DavidJ
11 Sep 12 at 5:49 pm
Monst
Who is DavidJ? I must say he has a lot of `elan… and insight… lots of insight.
Monst, who is Ausbone. Presumbably it’s not some sort of dating site, right? Explain please
JC
11 Sep 12 at 5:54 pm
I think that analysis is pretty good JC. We’ll have a better idea in 3-4 weeks but with the swing states moving away from Obama the electorial map could look like 2004 except for New Mexico which I think Obama will hold.
Nanuestalker
11 Sep 12 at 6:07 pm
Thirteen Thousand million is a fair chunk of cash.
alan
11 Sep 12 at 6:10 pm
Nice.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9533863/TUC-Congress-T-shirts-rejoicing-over-Thatchers-death-sold-at-trades-union-gathering.html
Viva
11 Sep 12 at 6:12 pm
It’s not thirteen thousand million, you fucking innumerate. It’s thirteen hundred million. … 1.3 billion
Here:
13,000 x 1,000,000 = 13 billion
1300 X 1,000,000 = 1.3 billion
Is being an fucking innumerate a dead set requirement to be leftwing?
$1.3 billion is a lot of money, however measured against the debt the Liars party left the state it’s a rounding error, you dim bulb. As I said.. astonishing.
Now fuck off
JC
11 Sep 12 at 6:21 pm
Just some random troll. I probably banned him from my site and he developed a grudge.
A former employer of mine. I worked there for eight months trying to sign new partners for an ISP peering co-operative – long story short, it was a network set up by mid-sized ISPs to route around Telstra to avoid longhaul costs. I had some success, but not enough. I’m not a born salesman. Then the dot com bust came, and everyone in the industry without equity lost their jobs, pretty much. End of story.
m0nty
11 Sep 12 at 6:23 pm
a not an.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 6:23 pm
Jacques,
1100 comments and the Cat is lightning fast, the personal info remains stored, the recent comments shortcuts work, liberty quotes rotating.
Ya dun good.
Rudiau
11 Sep 12 at 6:25 pm
JC
I got it wrong sorry, but I was overwrought by the news. I’m glad it’s not so bad as I thought. I especially don’t want to upset you.
alan
11 Sep 12 at 6:29 pm
Try again:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 6:37 pm
http://edmortimer.wordpress.com/2011/07/16/how-greens-govern-notorious-greens-mayor-fiona-byrne-brings-in-scabs-to-attack-workers/
Ceterum censeo, Vireta delenda est.
.
11 Sep 12 at 6:39 pm
The left’s continuing war on science… Andrew Bolt has a round-up re the extremist Gillard government’s latest panic: DA TWAWLER MONSTER!
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 6:41 pm
sfb:
Van Jones: Obama Can Be ‘Moved’ on Environment, Romney Can’t .
A good reason to hope for an Obama win.
I’ll onto Sussex street and get something setup for November.
SteveC
11 Sep 12 at 6:42 pm
Oops I meant GetUP something for November
SteveC
11 Sep 12 at 6:42 pm
Alan, your defending the indefensible. Debt is debt and your beloved comrades left more than keating.
Grow a pair
Dan
11 Sep 12 at 6:54 pm
“Try again:”
So the NYT is an unreliable leftist rag shilling for Democrats that can’t be trusted to do more than spell its transparently partisan articles correctly… unless you want to link to it. LOL
Also, it seems you didn’t read the whole thing:
No surprise, considering estimates for heterosexual marriage infidelity (that is illicit affairs rather than open relationships) range from 30% to 60%.
Jarrah
11 Sep 12 at 7:03 pm
@Monty
I’m not a born salesman
Well, your fucked then aren’t you Monty. Get out into the sunshine and synthesise some Vitamin D
Dan
11 Sep 12 at 7:03 pm
No need to apologize. You’re an idiot.
No you weren’t you bullshit artist. You were elated they found an error.
No you aren’t.
You’re not.
But listen to yourself, you fucking moron. You’re doing a song and dance about $1.3 billion remaining silent about the huge debt of over $60 billion.
As I said, fuck off.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 7:06 pm
WTF?
JC
11 Sep 12 at 7:12 pm
All those married gays don’t want or practise monogamy?
No, not all, just most. See CL’s link above.
Codification varies between cultures and eras.
Oh, so when you said “The safest form of sex is one-partner monogamy (as opposed to serial monogamy)” you meant this only in terms of being true in certain “cultures and eras”.
I really don’t understand your game here, Jarrah. If certain features of marriage are not found across all cultures and eras we could never know we were discussing the same institution. If this is true, those features (exclusivity; life-long; a man and a woman ) and their purpose are essential, not conventional.
dover_beach
11 Sep 12 at 7:14 pm
cannot help but feel sorry for them if you have anything to do with establishing their moral compass. Don’t act like a sleazebucket in a trenchcoat and you won’t cop the shit. Boxhead
Tiny Dancer
11 Sep 12 at 7:18 pm
Tiny makes some very good points, stepford. You should listen to him.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 7:25 pm
Also, it seems you didn’t read the whole thing:
Open relationships are not exclusively a gay domain, of course.
No. The argument never depended on open relationships being “exclusively a gay domain”. The argument was that gay ‘marriage’ had very little to do with monogamy. Thus, the reference to the article, which also sought to problematise the requirement of exclusivity in the very definition of marriage.
dover_beach
11 Sep 12 at 7:32 pm
Tiny Dancer you are indeed a compassionate and generous person, and given that your advice will most probably be ridiculed by the very scum you endeavour to help, please don’t change.
I doff my hate to you sir?madam.
jumpnmcar
11 Sep 12 at 7:33 pm
Tiny malevolent dancer: you’re one of the bellicose morons who doesn’t understand my sense of humour or my social conservatism, and have made this blog a mere imitation of the more enjoyable place it used to be. You would not be missed if you took your ludicrous vendetta against me elsewhere.
Steve from Brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 7:34 pm
JC, don’t encourage the bile filled morons just because u find continual abuse of me funny.
Steve from Brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 7:36 pm
Stepford
Stop being so fucking rude to someone trying to help you.
Moron.
JC
11 Sep 12 at 7:36 pm
It’s not me that’s making a song and dance.
I just got it wrong.Sorry.
alan
11 Sep 12 at 7:38 pm
my sense of humour or my social conservatism
you’re not funny and you’re a totalitarian so stop lying.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 7:41 pm
Please Stevieliar QC, I hate agreeing with you. I don’t get your sense of humour or social conservatism but I get how you are a fuckwit who talks shit
Tiny Dancer
11 Sep 12 at 7:42 pm
Fuck that’s lame.
jumpnmcar
11 Sep 12 at 7:43 pm
Not funny. Essential. Fuck off. You’re a waste of food.
Tom
11 Sep 12 at 7:53 pm
“Just some random troll. I probably banned him from my site and he developed a grudge.”
Despite your pitiful sanitising of the facts, history will always show you as the Jerry Lundegaard of the internet.
DavidJ
11 Sep 12 at 7:53 pm
Anyone trying to understand the ins and outs of an early election should read Antony Greens latest blog (go find it!).
In a nutshell, he says the coalition doesn’t want an early election now, because it wouldn’t be a half-term senate election, just a lower house election. Which means they would be hamstrung with exactly the same senate makeup as now, and would be forced to either call a senate-only election (bad for sitting governments, historically) or would have to try and trigger a double-dissolution and have another election shortly afterwards.
With the greens vote dropping and the ALP vote not recovering, best case scenario for the coalition right now is for Gillard to limp on and call an election in the first half of next year, after the minimum period for the half senate election.
Best move for Rudd is to knife Gillard, and call an early election before then. He probably loses, but it will be closer, and he won’t lose the senate.
So Rudd is agitating for another spill, and the Gillard camp is going to hang on for grim death and hope something comes their way.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 8:01 pm
Oh, alright, I found it:
Which party wants an early election
Here’s the key part:
So we need to run until August to clean out the greenfilth, or go early now and get the carbon tax withdrawal legislation blocked twice to call a double dissolution, which they would have to get onto pronto, or be forced to a half-senate election by May 2014 (which Green says is what Gough was visiting the GG for when he got boned).
So it’s either general election late 2012 leading to possible double dissolution in 2013, or election in August 2013, which I don’t think Swanny will want as too many figures will be released.
Expect all this to be part of the Rudd master plan.
brc
11 Sep 12 at 8:06 pm
The Goose can’t wait until the MYEFO numbers are out. He and Gillard will be laughed out of town when they try and con the love media into reporting a 2012-13 surplus.
H B Bear
11 Sep 12 at 8:14 pm
Whereas you are the Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged of the internet, and history will not record you at all.
m0nty
11 Sep 12 at 8:15 pm
Thanks brc, so Rudd if he gets the nod would go this year, Juliar if she hangs on would go next year (Bolt is tipping February) OR she will run the distance.
Antony Green from your link
I have seen comments elsewhere that Juliar is releasing policy now that should have been saved for an election to stave the Rudd challenge off, so she is fighting. But how long can she last without the support of the Unions? I guess we get to see how she fights when cornered.
Helen Armstrong
11 Sep 12 at 8:22 pm
SfB: “Someone in a thread at the LGF blog the other day said” ….
blogstrop
11 Sep 12 at 8:26 pm
Lame fend-off to another beclowning.
It is precisely because the New York Times is a leftist rag shilling for Democrats that an article acknowledging the laughable fantasy of gay ‘marital’ monogamy has a more than unusual authority.
Nixon, China and all that.
Try again.
And while you’re at it, explain to us why a man can’t marry a beagle if it’s what he really wants.
GO!
C.L.
11 Sep 12 at 8:42 pm
Or his sister if they really love one another
LOL
JamesK
11 Sep 12 at 8:50 pm
Far be it from me to defend mOnty but if having a failed business venture is a sin then then we have lost our bearings. We need risk takers and risk will inevitably involve some failure.
p.s Lose some weight mOnty. It’s unseemly.
Normal transmission may now resume.
Infidel Tiger
11 Sep 12 at 8:53 pm
WTF? IT standing up for mOnty? IT, someone has stolen your email address.
SteveC
11 Sep 12 at 8:59 pm
The resulting kiddies would then have three parents and most likely two heads…
Rabz
11 Sep 12 at 9:00 pm
Sorry, February tip not Bolt, but luvvie Peter Hartcher, and linked to by Bolt.
Is this leak disguising the real intent? Or is it to fend off Rudd again, wrong foot him? So she can say to the knifers look, I’m working on an early election, OK?
OR is it to put Abbott under pressure in the hope the coalition will fumble as time goes on? Probably all of the above?
Helen Armstrong
11 Sep 12 at 9:01 pm
What’s gone wrong? IT the Defender of the Downtrodden.
Steve from Brisbane
11 Sep 12 at 9:02 pm
This is a ground breaking piece of news, people:
Three men have been arrested in India after attempting to board a plane with monkeys hidden in their pants.
Rabz
11 Sep 12 at 9:07 pm
Here is a little quote I found quite interesting, talking about the results of the plain packaging legislation. Draw your own conclusion.
Tim
11 Sep 12 at 9:11 pm
@rupertmurdoch ruminates.
m0nty
11 Sep 12 at 9:13 pm
I can no sooner criticise mOnty for starting a business than the person at Krispy Kreme who provides him with nourishment.
Capitalism must always be defended.
Infidel Tiger
11 Sep 12 at 9:13 pm
Just to clarify: I didn’t start AusBONE, I was merely an employee.
m0nty
11 Sep 12 at 9:16 pm
@rupertmurdoch ruminates.
Infidel Tiger
11 Sep 12 at 9:16 pm
IT but surely we get a pass on criticising the efforts of one when they spend their waking hours trying to destroy the very system they live from?
I don’t know. It seems wrong to allow lefties to try and run a business. Unless it is a very good business immune to bad management, it’s destined for the tip. Or they are just faux lefties. Either way, the two ideas are incompatible (entrepreneurship and a left outlook).
brc
11 Sep 12 at 9:18 pm
Corpratism must be derided and capitalism must be defended Infidel.
I dont know how you can make the connect between giving entrepreneurial abilities to the most (and that includes SMEs in the larger pyramid) than allowing it to accrue to to the few (at the top pushing down the netrepeneurial abilities of those below working their way up the food chain).
Yes capitalism must be defended but Im not sure you have a grip on the fact that we now are starting to live under corporatism ie control by the few…and this doesnt sit well with either liberty or opportunity.
Alice
11 Sep 12 at 9:19 pm
Have you got an invisible Murdoch sitting on that chair now, IT?
m0nty
11 Sep 12 at 9:19 pm
Under the Fisk Doctrine leftists may start businesses but they are taken from them the moment they turn a profit. It’s what they would have wanted.
Infidel Tiger
11 Sep 12 at 9:20 pm
Read his twitter feed.
Infidel Tiger
11 Sep 12 at 9:21 pm
Ah right, thought you had pulled a FTFY gag. All good.
m0nty
11 Sep 12 at 9:22 pm
Mr I Tiger has always shown compassion for the unfortunately afflicted. The willfully ignorant, not so much. Nil really.
Pickles
11 Sep 12 at 9:22 pm
Gee brc says
“. It seems wrong to allow lefties to try and run a business”
This from a defender of the market and capitalism (and freedom and liberty?)
There is a cure for that. You should know it you spiteful creature. Make all “lefties” who run businesses, give up all their possessions to the anti lefty police and wear an L affixed to their clothing and send them off to concentration camps.
Alice
11 Sep 12 at 9:22 pm
What in the hell is he doing???
twostix
11 Sep 12 at 9:25 pm
Seconded.
Gab
11 Sep 12 at 9:25 pm
If that’s the case a few dozen Krispy Kreme donuts can be purchased daily from petty cash to reduce profitabilty
JamesK
11 Sep 12 at 9:27 pm
JC is a waste of food by the way…whoever said it.
Not that im sure he would ever run short of food or wine