I have had much to catch up on since returning but the one that has been the most difficult to follow has been the story about Tony Abbott supposedly having “punched a wall” in proximity to the head of some woman he had lost a student election to. It seems something of a habit for Abbott to lose elections to female leaders on his first go round but it does give me heart to hear that he did win on the subsequent occasion, as he will on this occasion as well.
Since this is a story of what supposedly happened 35 years ago during a student election at the University of Sydney that had never been mentioned until now, there really is a sense of make believe about it. Anyone who would consider anything like this a reason for voting one way or the other in a Federal election in 2013 really ought to have their vote take from them on account of feeble mindedness and all round stupidity.
Abbott has said that it never happened which is a reasonable reason not to have remembered such an event, and that the story had been mined from within a Labor “dirt unit” for which we have this priceless response taken from The Australian Online:
The editor of the Quarterly Essay, which first published the allegations, rejected Mr Abbott’s suggestion a Labor ‘dirt unit’ was involved.
‘On the contrary, the events described were discovered by the journalist David Marr during his extensive research for “Political Animal: the making of Tony Abbott”,’ Chris Feik said in a statement.
‘Marr is a highly respected journalist and biographer.
‘The idea that he is connected with any Labor dirt unit is completely implausible.
‘This is a clear case of trying to shoot the messenger.’
See how it escalates. Now they are accusing Abbott of trying to shoot someone. When will these wild accusations ever end?
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Gab
15 Sep 12 at 12:35 am
Ahahahahahaha.
http://www.thesydneyinstitute.com.au/media-watch-dog/
C.L.
15 Sep 12 at 12:37 am
Yes, um, sure. So extensive his research he didn’t even As Henderson pointed out today:
Gab
15 Sep 12 at 12:40 am
So extensive his research he didn’t even bother with actually reading the letters Ramjan had published in the Honi Soit.
Gab
15 Sep 12 at 12:42 am
Which letters conclusively prove that she was a liar and a wacko androphobe who hated and feared men.
C.L.
15 Sep 12 at 1:02 am
This is Labor’s campaign, spearheaded by Marr who absolutely detests Abbott, to personally attack Abbott and provide cover for Labor’s abysmal track record since 2007. Keep them on the defensive is the plan. Expect the personal attacks on Abbott to escalate, with a particular focus on the ‘Abbott has a problem with women voters’ meme.
Gab
15 Sep 12 at 1:11 am
Not for sure but pretty good evidence. Possibly lies but not clearly. You sound like a shill for the libs Steven. Do you seriously think that a liberal government in recession wouldnt convert to orthodox Keynesianism in a flash?
Joseph
15 Sep 12 at 1:40 am
Suddenly poor Tony is a victim. The crap consistently thrown at Gillard by shysters and shock jocks is apparently OK. This is rolled gold hypocrisy.
1735099
15 Sep 12 at 5:33 am
Not what you would scream in the same situation.
Please, Your honour, I did not rob the bank and kill that teller.
I’m sorry son, but Mr Marr says he saw you in the vicinity of the bank and he is a credible witness.
Helen Armstrong
15 Sep 12 at 6:39 am
It’s infuriating.
The embeds will run a full court press on one unsubstantiated allegation, but prefer the least said, soonest mended approach to an affair which should have seen prosecutions.
The way some of the PHC mob push “approved” stories and try to quash others is utterly shameless.
They are despicable people.
lotocoti
15 Sep 12 at 6:51 am
The reason the poor lefty luvvies from the 70s are having troubles getting their stories straight is that they were all suffering from PTSD at the time as a result of the Whitlam dismissal.
Steve of Glasshouse
15 Sep 12 at 7:00 am
Laurie Oakes article (in the Daily Tele, no less, so don’t blame Fairfax) has a goofy photo – on the web at least – of Abbott that does him no favours. Laurie starts:
Fair point.
steve from brisbane
15 Sep 12 at 7:36 am
It’s a pity one can’t enumerate Jules’ record without triggering a D notice.
lotocoti
15 Sep 12 at 7:49 am
Yes he is.
It is not crap, it is true, she is a criminal and unfit for office. Besides being an incompetent, out of touch, communist flunkie with a terrible fucking accent and posessing the morals of a pole cat.
You can quote me for the truth.
.
15 Sep 12 at 8:07 am
There is a very small possibility that something good could come out of all of this. The ABC has naturally run with this crap, instead of trying to brush it aside like they did with the Gillard/AWU/slush fund story. Hopefully Abbott is feeling a deep sense of injustice and will see that the ABC is beyond redemption. He might even have the resolve to do something about the ABC, like removing from the public teat.
As I said. It is only a very small and highly unlikely outcome given the Liberal Party’s general failure to embrace liberalism.
johno
15 Sep 12 at 8:32 am
Deb O’Neill must have realised how pathetic she (whoops, inadvertent misogynistic insult) sounded this week when she was trotted out as the token outraged female to denounce Abbott’s ‘obvious’ misogyny…? Surely???
Skuter
15 Sep 12 at 8:33 am
Ms Gillard the home wrecker. It’s time she expanded on her credentials so we can see if we can take her on trust.
candy
15 Sep 12 at 8:33 am
So long as it not made up.
Helen Armstrong
15 Sep 12 at 8:40 am
The only complaint Abbott has is that this stupid women is making it up. The Gillard fraud is not made up. Laurier Oakes is just dribbling shit but he has his retarded followers.
Tiny Dancer
15 Sep 12 at 8:45 am
Enjoying rolling in the muck SoB.
We are watching a change in politics. In the future people WILL talk about Gillard’s home breaking antics. People WILL talk about Plibersek’s choice to allow her children to be exposed to a man who traded in narcotics.
It does not stop there.
Anyone can be taken down using the standard of proof these guys are employing.
Did Phil Coorey go into a nightclub where drugs were taken? I’m sure we’ll find someone who saw him go into a room and come out after drugs were consumed.
Did Laurie Oakes not stop at an accident site and drive off and leave someone injured?
Token
15 Sep 12 at 8:51 am
Yes he is.
So now you shout….it doesn’t make any difference to your argument which summarised is I hate Gillard so anything negative posted about her must be true.
Hilarious.
1735099
15 Sep 12 at 8:55 am
if it was true, I think it would have come out earlier? was the victim and the growing number of witnesses just covering-up for abbott for these 35 years.
Jim Rose
15 Sep 12 at 8:58 am
I feel a song coming on:
Whoa Tony Abbott (bam-ba-lam)
Whoa Tony Abbott (bam-ba-lam)
Wrote to Honi Soit, no bam-ba-lam
Wrote to Honi Soit, no bam-ba-lam
Apologies to Ram Jam (a big hit also in Sept 1977).
andyd
15 Sep 12 at 9:01 am
To The Cat gals,if some guy punched the wall near your face would you knee him in “meat and two veg” or what?
Tal
15 Sep 12 at 9:06 am
For now the focus of attention is on Abbott and off the shed load of documentary evidence of fraud in the Trade Union movement which has direct links to the PM and senior members of the AWU.
By their actions Marr, Grattan, Sam Maiden and Coorey have proven for all to see they are rabid partisans and not journalists. There is documentary evidence now on file from each.
I do hope Oakes joins them in the muck as his time is over as well and will be fitting his memory is stained as well.
Token
15 Sep 12 at 9:08 am
How desperate can the extreme right get? “Shooting the messenger” is a well-used expression in Australia, used in general conversation. It never has, and was never intended to signify, lethal violence. You really are an extremist, Steve, if you believe what you are writing.
hammygar
15 Sep 12 at 9:12 am
It looks more like a case of unrequited love from Marr, who is now behaving like the nasty, bitchy, and vindictive queen it always has been.
Bob Sewell
15 Sep 12 at 9:21 am
I would’ve thought that a long bow until he wrote about Abbott’s underwear and gear in the Monthly. If we use Marr’s own disgusting unethical standards, his sexuality is now “in play”.
Token
15 Sep 12 at 9:25 am
Marr is just displaying his usual leftist hypocrisy- witness his essay against “censorship” by the Howard Government versus his complete silence when Conroy and the Red Queen muzzle Free Speech.
Cold-Hands
15 Sep 12 at 9:31 am
Steve you really need to watch this hilarious Beck program debating if harry Reid is a ‘paedophile rapist’. OR a paedophile AND and paedophile rapist?
It’s a real cracker!
Chris M
15 Sep 12 at 9:32 am
A simple comparison.
We now know beyond any reasonable doubt that the ramjet story is utter bullshit.
The electorate was informed of the fact that barking mad psychopath latham had broken a taxi driver’s arm before the election in 2004.
If taxi drivers weren’t such a widely despite bunch of jokes, the assault would have been much more of an issue, I’m sure/sarc off…
The hypocrisy is staggering.
And don’t get me started on that utterly inadequate, cholesterol laden, pasty faced lardarsed doughboy, kevni ruff…
Rabz
15 Sep 12 at 9:33 am
OK, censored version due to moderation – Link to hilarious Beck program debating if Harry Reid is a ‘xxxxx’. OR a xxxx AND and xxxx xxxx?
It’s a real cracker!
Chris M
15 Sep 12 at 9:35 am
widely despised bunch of jokes…
Rabz
15 Sep 12 at 9:36 am
Jabba joins in,
The usual Labor memes – Abbot hates women, aggressive sprinkled throughout.
Bolt does a useful number on Mrs Magoo whose efforts have made Fairfax the news powerhouse it is today.
One thing is for sure – Labor won’t be running the next election on their record of achievements under Gillard. Like Anna Bligh it will be fear and muck from here on in.
H B Bear
15 Sep 12 at 9:40 am
And we all know how well that turned out…
Rabz
15 Sep 12 at 9:46 am
Brick in the handbag is very good, mace in the pocket, and of course the meat and two veg option.
Best of all when dealing with lefty aggression (more usually sneaky dingo tactics) would be a louder solution, like Clint favours, however it is illegal in this country and doesn’t fit in the handbag all that well.
Helen Armstrong
15 Sep 12 at 9:48 am
More probably, envy.
Helen Armstrong
15 Sep 12 at 9:50 am
Greg Sheridan destroys an ABC radio host who tried desperately to lie and plead for now beclowned buffoon and embittered homosexual, David Marr:
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/newsradio/audio/20120914-sheridan.mp3
C.L.
15 Sep 12 at 9:55 am
Clearly the left haven’t learnt any lesson from the disastrous Qld campaign. Abbott seems to be taking a leaf out of Newman’s book by responding on as limited a basis as possible. Seems to work when the idiots are just making up stuff.
Tiny Dancer
15 Sep 12 at 9:59 am
The media reports that Barbara Ramjan has had no recent contact with the Labor Party are straining the truth- considering that last year in her position on the Legal Aid NSW Board, she was an adviser to a Labor Attorney General.
Leo G
15 Sep 12 at 10:02 am
Well well well…
Maxine McKew: Julia Gillard is a lying rodent.
Book claims Julia Gillard was deeply involved in Kevin Rudd’s sacking.
C.L.
15 Sep 12 at 10:05 am
According to Des Moore, it’s all about an early election:
cohenite
15 Sep 12 at 10:07 am
Wow, Sheridan was on fire.
dover_beach
15 Sep 12 at 10:27 am
Sheridan was correct to get on the record the ABC’s track record of sectarianism against Catholics.
Gerard Henderson has a long document trail that backs this up.
Note how Marias Benson made the defamitory statement that Abbott is “GUILTY” of the accusations at the start of the interview?
Token
15 Sep 12 at 10:30 am
Of course. Marr is not connected with a Labor dirt unit. He is a Labor dirt unit.
Mother Hubbard's Dog
15 Sep 12 at 10:43 am
I despise Gillard because she is an incompetent, a liar to the electorate, a misleader of Parliament, she hates 90% of the population, she is a crook, a backstabber and a vanguard of far leftism and she hates anyone who has made themselves wealthy through honesty, hard work, savings and educating themselves. She has glorified graft and is the worst PM in our history. She has no respect for free speech and hates the military.
She has tried to shut down a wide variety of primary industries which are massive job creators through high inter industry multipliers and they are high export and FX earners with low to no or negative rates of protection.
She has put party before country and covered up corruption.
That is why I dislike her. Do not tell your social betters (i.e, me) that I only dislike her policies because I dislike her. You mental incompetent.
.
15 Sep 12 at 10:44 am
So Dot, you dislike “her” because Gillard’s a woman. /sarc off.
Gab
15 Sep 12 at 10:48 am
Having been active in student politics in the 1970s, I simply cannot believe that if this alleged event ever occurred it would not have been talked about by hundreds of people and splashed across the student press. Instead, we have no written references to it and not a single witness, and no mention of it for 35 years despite Abbott’s often controversial political career.
All we need now is some other Labor hanger-on to come out and say that he/she suddenly remembered that Tony Abbot drowned a kitten and kicked a cute puppy in 1971.
The behaviour of the politicians is about what you would expect, but the ‘journalists’ are beneath contempt in their partisanship and hypocrisy.
johanna
15 Sep 12 at 10:51 am
Haha, what a pack of hopeless, witless, rudderless, lying c**ts.
.
15 Sep 12 at 10:52 am
1735099:
Are you really trying to pretend that the woman who accuses Tony Abbott now would not have referred to the alleged incident in her complaints against TA to Honi Soit, had it really happened ??
If that’s your assertion, for what reason do you think she didn’t bother to put it on the record , back then in real time, when complaints against Abbott et al were the very subject of her letters—nothing else.
Why would she leave out what, if it had in fact happened, would have been the most telling point against her bete noir of the time??
Your assertions are not credible.
The allegations against Gillard are substantive —go to the actions of a lawyer who now as PM , has the future of our country in her hands and to the actions of one of Australia’s most high-profile law firms—and are backed by documentation in the form of affidavits, statutory declarations, police information obtained under FOI, and necessarily cryptic references to wrongdoing by either her or her associates, from a man she had appointed Attorney-General of Australia—a man who had tried to have the matter resolved at the time.
In trying to compare these two issues, you use the tactic employed by the Left to escape scrutiny and accountability—you wilfully and with aforethought compare issues that are in no way analogous—- in order to obfuscate.
truth
15 Sep 12 at 11:07 am
Tony Abbott doesn’t need to answer a thing.
Marr has already been shown up for the partisan
hack he is by Bolta, Greg Sheridan, Christopher Pearson and Gerard Henderson. Bolta’s link to the ABC interview of Greg S where he takes apart the ABC partisan hack is priceless!
The big question now should be answered by Mc Tiernan: Now that ,even though Julia said 17 years ago was not relevant to the PM job, you have gone back to uni days over 30 yrs ago to dig dirt on Tony, are all MP and PM uni day dirt open slather or is it just Ok for Labor hacks?
Jazza
15 Sep 12 at 11:24 am
Open season on Gillard, Swan, Wong, Conroy, Shorten, Ludwig, Roxon and Pilbersek.
Then when an election is called, go for policy and the higher ground.
.
15 Sep 12 at 11:26 am
But here’s the thing, what is going to happen now about the accusations over the Lying Slapper’s help in embezzling union funds?
JC
15 Sep 12 at 11:37 am
Remember, this is the journalist their ABC deemed worthy to sit in judgement of his colleagues as Media Watch presenter. It suggests that professionalism is not a high consideration at ABC when doling out these appointments. I wonder what is, then?
Ivan Denisovich
15 Sep 12 at 11:38 am
Oakes’ article:
The thing is, Abbott is not complaining at all about anyone scrutinizing his past. He’s defending himself against the fabrication of an event that never happened.
Gab
15 Sep 12 at 11:38 am
Amazing how the spouse of the Federal Health minister, Tanyan Plibersek is a convicted heroin dealer and the ABC is focusing on false accusations over Abbott throwing a punch 35 years ago.
JC
15 Sep 12 at 11:39 am
Steve from Brisbane:
I think you inadvertently make the opposite point to that which you intend.
A reasonable person would see from TA’s statement, that here was a man whose life is an open book—a man who’s not hiding anything, and in fact is comfortable with himself, and the purposeful life he has led.
In expressing that, he was trusting that people would be honest and forthright, as he is himself.
He was forgetting for a moment, as most ordinary folks do, that there are people out there whose intent is entirely malicious, and for whom facts are just there for the manipulation for the purposes of propaganda rather than for informing the people of Australia.
In his respectful letter to Honi Soit, he described the honest naivety that the Left uses to spread its disinformation. ….
‘Most people are incapable of a brazen and outright lie, and accept most of what they read or hear as approximate truth’.
Of course Laurie Oakes would have used the worst photo he could find to accompany his latest attack on TA.
No reasonable Australian would ever expect balance or truth from poor old Oakes these days—he chose his miserable and fetid tank long long ago.
But like the rest of the comrades, he has high hopes that the theory of the big lie oft-repeated still works.
truth
15 Sep 12 at 11:42 am
That Sheridan interview is good, as far as it goes.
But really, any reasonable person being interviewed by the ABC should preface their remarks by saying I think the ABC should be closed down.
cohenite
15 Sep 12 at 12:00 pm
It’s the spuds truth, the spuds. The peeler’s judgement suffered awfully from the dull thud of all those spuds he peeled (for a very, very short time in his life 40 odd years ago) hitting the bottom of the bucket.
He is as you concluded and he hates the joint.
Mick Gold Coast QLD
15 Sep 12 at 12:05 pm
Your assertions are not credible.
My only assertion is of hypocrisy – and a brief reading of this page sees it stark and clear.
I only dislike her policies because I dislike her. You mental incompetent
Now abuse is added to shouting – reminds me of Abbott’s behaviour, and does nothing to advance your argument.
Go take a cold shower before you hurt yourself.
1735099
15 Sep 12 at 12:06 pm
Fuck off numbers. Go spam elsewhere.
JC
15 Sep 12 at 12:13 pm
Numbers – you sad, pathetic creature – Gillard hates us. She hates people who work in primary industry. She hates the finance world. She hates the military. She hates families.
She ripped off the AWU for hundreds of thousands if not millions.
You just don’t get it do you? You think we’re picking on poor little Jules.
Bullshit. Her ministry shut down industries based on lies and issue D notices to shut people up.
She is a malicious bully and a criminal. I need to stop criticising her or I’ll “hurt myself”? Is that a death threat?
You mental incompetent, you are protecting the bully and aggressor.
Your response to being poorly treated after the Vietnam war is to support a left wing PM who hates the military? You defective person. I feel sorry for you. You have Stockholm Syndrome and you are dead on the inside. Maybe you should save your vitriol for the far left like Whitlam, Lee Rhiannon, Christine Milne, Gillard, Kirner and Roxon.
They fucked you over buddy, not us.
.
15 Sep 12 at 12:18 pm
That’s not a buse. That’s a fact!
Fish in a barrel ….
Mick Gold Coast QLD
15 Sep 12 at 12:22 pm
StevieLiar goes away and another contender appears
Tiny Dancer
15 Sep 12 at 12:50 pm
Really? What a heel! How can this person even represent his own electorate, let alone be PM? Shocking.
Don
15 Sep 12 at 1:04 pm
CL:
I look forward to the book—that’s if it makes it through.
In my opinion, Rudd’s use-by time was set in concrete when it was decided that Labor needed him for the moment , because only he would get them across the line in the 2007 election.
I believe the opinion of Gillard’s backers was that Rudd [ as many others concurred] was a bizarre, dysfunctional , pathological narcissist, who had a record of incompetence , destruction and brutality— and messianic delusions ——in his only experience in governance.
They knew that as Goss’s guru at the very centre of that QLD Labor government that illegally destroyed evidence to protect alleged paedophiles at John Oxley Youth Centre, he called all the shots, and therefore could not possibly have been outside the loop when that government made the decision to deliberately place themselves above the law.
The fact that the destruction of the evidence was illegal , was firmly established in the courts when they subsequently prosecuted Pastor Douglas Ensby for exactly the same offence, but much less serious, and tried their best to have him jailed on his conviction.
Anna Bligh’s Labor government later re-affirmed Labor’s guilt by paying a six-figure sum in hush money to one of the JOYC victims.
All of the Labor-facilitating MSM know all the facts of these illegal actions by the Rudd/Goss/Labor government in the Heiner matter, but have been covering it up, whatever it’s taken in damaged lives and corruption of the whole system of law and law enforcement in QLD, for more than twenty years.
The MSM are complicit.
They all knew the man they wanted to use, carried explosive baggage, and could be relied upon to either crash and burn himself—or to give them the excuse for a coup.
So the plan was, IMO, that it would be all hands to the wheel —especially Labor’s MSM faction—-to first of all get Rudd into power—then to build Gillard’s image and a fake credibility—- in preparation for the big moment.
truth
15 Sep 12 at 1:15 pm
So that was their fate.
C.L.
15 Sep 12 at 1:20 pm
Ah, numbers is here.
What about those fucking papers on sea level rise I gave you numbers?
cohenite
15 Sep 12 at 1:33 pm
those fucking papers
They fucked you over
Fuck off
Vocab problem? Or simply thick? You choose.
1735099
15 Sep 12 at 1:42 pm
That’s right, numbers, choice; Gillard made a choice, a bad one; no consequence; how is that possible; shouldn’t due process occur in an open and free democracy?
Explain to me numbers, since you can’t debate AGW, how what Gillard did and has admitted in preparing an application for association with a declared purpose which she knew was false, is any different from what Marcus Einfeld did?
cohenite
15 Sep 12 at 1:55 pm
due process
What you’re calling due process is spite, smear and politically inspired innuendo.
As I recall, Marcus Einfield was convicted of a criminal offence in 2008, committed in 2006. When Gillard has been convicted of something she is accused of doing six years ago, your comparison may have some validity.
But then, John Howard was quite content to have a convicted criminal in his cabinet for a while. (1998 – 2003)
Abbott had no problem sharing the cabinet table with Tuckey. Given the apparent similarity in their characters, he probably felt right at home.
1735099
15 Sep 12 at 2:16 pm
Numbers ,so you think it ok for the PM of this country to have been complicit by turning a blind eye to an Association that actually due to being based on lies, broke both WA state law and was against union rules which she knew very well, and then to sweep it all away with “I did nothing wrong…I was young and naive..”
Well I’m glad I don’t have your and her moral compass, I couldn’t live with myself!
Jazza
15 Sep 12 at 2:47 pm
“We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.” (Lewis, 1943).
Ellen of Tasmania
15 Sep 12 at 2:56 pm
Okay, so let’s review the evidence, facts and witnesses to the event that support the allegation Abbott at around 5’10″ tall stood nose to nose with a 5 foot 1 inch female and punched a wall either side of her face 35 years ago:
Gab
15 Sep 12 at 3:01 pm
but old ironbar was just so colourful.
Jim Rose
15 Sep 12 at 3:33 pm
“Given the apparent similarity in their characters, he probably felt right at home.”
it’s odd that you disparage Tony Abbott like that, a good Christian man, volunteer worker, a politician with integrity and honesty and values, our next prime minister.
candy
15 Sep 12 at 3:44 pm
What a bunch of bullshit. Gillard ADMITTED she knowingly prepared a false document. She fucking ADMITTED it; is she smearing herself? Who else is doing the smearing on this point, Abbott?
Now, answer the question; how is what Gillard admitting doing different from what Einfeld did?
And what the fuck does 6 years have to do with it? Do you think there is a SOL on this?
cohenite
15 Sep 12 at 3:51 pm
The oz editorial today for the first time alluded to her affairs with married men.
Viva
15 Sep 12 at 3:53 pm
OT and was discussed on another thread but Islam Australia.
cohenite
15 Sep 12 at 4:17 pm
The so-called AWU scandal is an allegation of embezzlement of funds in the early 1990s by Bruce Wilson. Gillard was in a relationship with Wilson at the time, but guilt by association does not operate in this country. It’s more a feature of fundamentalist and totalitarian reasoning, so it’s no surprise that it’s floated by the likes of Pickering who is failing to manage his relevance deprivation syndrome, and Michael Smith who believes than any publicity is good publicity.
Wilson was never charged over the matter. Gillard has denied any wrongdoing, and Slater and Gordon found no improper behaviour on her part. A police investigation in 1995 and 1996 looked into the possible misappropriation of funds. After a thorough investigation, no charges were laid, and the police decided not to take any further action.
So if you’re to be believed, the police and the DPP are complicit in corruption, Slater and Gordon are also corrupt, and the civil and legal authorities involved are locked in some vast conspiracy.
There are allegations that Tony Abbott behaved like a thug in his Uni days. He was charged with sexual assault, remember.
He described the incident as
The victim described it as
She said – he said. You can believe whom you choose, but the consistency of these allegations against Abbott in regard to his physical behaviour with women as a student politician is remarkable.
Bottom line is, when both sides of politics are reduced to this level of debate, they’re making a joke of our democracy.
Given the tone of the above discussion, most on this site are much more comfortable with smear, abuse, and profanity than they are with reason and fact.
To complain here that Abbott is being smeared whilst an orchestrated dirt campaign is being enthusiastically waged on this site (and others) is the height of hypocrisy.
1735099
15 Sep 12 at 4:38 pm
Two points.
1. This plays into my damage limitation narrative.
2. The goose as prime monster.
Slow down and consider that second concept carefully, people.
And you all thought lardarse was a fucking joke…
Bring. It. On.
Rabz
15 Sep 12 at 4:39 pm
Some further elaboration.
The goose as PM will preside over a far worse election result* for the lobodomy pardee than kevni ruff as PM.
Therefore, I wholly endorse the goose being given his turn.
It is the lobodomy pardee way, after all…
*although a better result than lardarse.
Rabz
15 Sep 12 at 4:46 pm
You are a complete and utter fuckwit. My point was due process was not followed; has Gillard been investigated for preparing a false document? Has she?
The funds which business paid to Wilson’s crooked association is another issue, germane but seperate.
That association was set up under a false pretense; Smith has done the homework under WA law:
That’s it numbers; Einfeld was charged on the same basis and he didn’t admit to anything and the perjuring bastard still won’t admit to anything. At least Gillard has ADMITTED to doing it. But the fact that after admitting to doing what she did she could still say she has not done anything wrong puts her firmly in Einfeld’s space of no moral compass at all; she only differs from Einfeld in having even more hypocrisy.
It’s not that Gillard has done something sufficient to warrant a charge that worries you is it numbers; that is obvious; the thing which worries you is that your political ideology is defective and run by selfish bastards which means it has no moral ascendency. That means you are either a fool or complicant in that immorality.
cohenite
15 Sep 12 at 4:54 pm
lol like saying shall I go fore or aft on the HMAS Labor Titanic
Gab
15 Sep 12 at 5:02 pm
True.
But it’s not guilt by association. The reason why Gillard set up the AWU Workplace Reform Association for married lover Wilson pro bono was not because she was the proverbial whore with a heart of gold.
It was because an invoice arriving at the AWU would have alerted the union to the planned fraud.
Steve of Ferny Hills
15 Sep 12 at 5:05 pm
Abbott denied wrongdoing whilst Gillard admitted her part in a fraud. Can’t see the difference dimwit?
Tiny Dancer
15 Sep 12 at 5:08 pm
Labor’s dirt unit
http://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/2012/06/17/australian-prime-minister-julia-gillard-sets-up-watergate-style-dirt-unit-for-opposition-politicians/
would be chuffed to read that comment. It’s precisely what they would have hoped to achieve. Their objective was clear from the beginning – use baseless allegations against Abbott to immunise Gillard from further questions about her role in the AWU scandal, by means of equivalency and with toadying assistance from the old reliables:
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/grattan_and_the_phone_call_i_got_yesterday/
Ivan Denisovich
15 Sep 12 at 5:10 pm
Now that really strengthens your argument.
I think you meant separate.
My point is that the appropriate authorities decided that there was no due process to follow.
Quoting WA law has no relevance, nor does the behaviour of Bruce and Ralph. Guilt by association, remember? You obviously have a very meagre grasp of the law.
You wouldn’t have a clue about my political ideology. You don’t have a clue about due process. You don’t have a clue about the law. You can’t spell.
And I doubt you’d recognise moral ascendency if it bit you on the bum.
Give it away, you making a fool of yourself.
1735099
15 Sep 12 at 5:11 pm
It occurs to me that the prearation for an early election might be in anticipation of the next Hedley Thomas report.
DrBeauGan
15 Sep 12 at 5:41 pm
Well I dearly wish Hedley would print something soon.
Gab
15 Sep 12 at 5:46 pm
Great response numbers; the issue again: has Gillard done what Einfeld did?
You seem to be confusing inaction on the part of the “appropriate authorities” with whether Gillard has a case to answer; have the “appropriate authorities” considered whether Gillard has commenced an offence; who are the “appropriate authorities” in this instance?
The wider issue is, can the serving PM be indicted for possible criminal offences when still in office? It seems unlikely given that Thompson is still happy as a lark; maybe numbers can tell us why he hasn’t been charged; I know why, and it is a legal issue, a subtle one, but still legal in circumstances where the morality of alley cats prevails.
And numbers, the only word I have to spell when engaging with you is fuckwit; there, is that right?
cohenite
15 Sep 12 at 6:12 pm
Irrelevant.
Do you? Please tell.
Pretty fair description of federal politics.
Consult the DSM-IV. Uncontrolled repetition of obscenities is a symptom of Tourette’s Syndrome.
1735099
15 Sep 12 at 6:24 pm
Gab…what you say is completely untrue.
Are you just trying to show us the emptiness of the Leftist mind?
We already know.
truth
15 Sep 12 at 6:33 pm
So 1735099….
Just so that we know whether to bother to read anything you write—or whether we should hereafter ignore your musings…
You say that if a Prime Minister can manage to delay any scrutiny and accountability for her actions for six years by any means, no matter how foul or even possibly illegal her methods of avoidance might be, [ not saying they are---but there are letters, affidavits and statutory declarations that raise the possibility]—-then that’s just fine by your standards—she’s home and hosed—no case to answer whatsoever—legal or moral?
So if to protect her and union lawbreakers, our institutions have been manipulated and corrupted—silence bought and investigations shut down—and if stolen money was never recovered due to such manoeuvres—-if all of this was just papered over or swept under the carpet to save this PM’s skin—- then your moral compass or lack thereof tells you this is a Prime Minister that Australia must endure—that it wouldn’t matter at all if such a PM had shown herself to be untrustworthy and a terrible example to our children—a disgrace and an embarrassment to Australia—she’s still fit to govern, and permitted to be outside the reach of the law?
How can such a person and her government be trusted to follow the model litigant rules, which a government must?
truth
15 Sep 12 at 6:36 pm
Why? If one high ranking wanker can be charged with a criminal offence for misrepresenting a legal document why can’t another?
Thompson didn’t break any law even if he spent his union members’ money on whores because unlike publically listed and private companies the interests of union members are not protected with offences governing the use of their money by union leaders as is the case with company directors.
The only crime Thompson may have committed is if he has signed a Stat dec saying it was not him rooting the whores and it was.
Agreed.
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2 things; firstly I am alarmed that an otherwise clueless troll should go the pysch route; are you really Lewandowsky?
Secondly, Tourettes are non-specific in their expletitives; I am very specific in only calling fuckwits, fuckwits.
cohenite
15 Sep 12 at 7:33 pm
More than that – she’s even thrown her own party under the bus in her own personal interest.
Viva
15 Sep 12 at 8:21 pm
Numbers – fuck the agent orange stuff, you should sue the commonwealth for your ongoing brain damage.
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16 Sep 12 at 12:40 am
I play cricket against a guy with Tourettes and his expletives are usually on the money, so I think it’s partly linked to what they are thinking.
Yobbo
16 Sep 12 at 1:24 am
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1735099:
It takes militant blinkered tunnel vision to arrive at the conclusions you do.
You claim that the setting up by Gillard , of the ‘association’ by which her married boyfriend’s embezzlement was to be hidden or laundered, was just her acting in the role of innocent bystander—made guilty only by innocent association.
When she reportedly got up and persuaded unionists at a meeting in WA , as a Labor lawyer[ that’s why they trusted her even though they had misgivings, it’s said] , to merge their fund hitherto reserved for workers’ accidents or deaths, with her married lover’s dodgy ‘association’, in order to deceive the WA authorities—that’s the ‘association that would subsequently be used to hide embezzled and extorted funds—- when she did that, was she then just an innocent bystander suffering guilt by association?
When she drew up the Power of Attorney no questions asked for her lover , so that he could act for his ‘bagman’ Blewitt, and she then watched him bid for a property in Blewitt’s name and sign the documents and pay the deposit for Blewitt —still no questions asked—at auction, do you still think she was just an innocent bystander?
When she told Slater and Gordon at her ‘interview’ just before she left, that it was a slush fund, implying that she had always known it to be that, despite having represented it as something quite different to the WA authorities, who would never have registered the dodgy association as a slush fund—was she just an innocent bystander?
On your remarks about Slater and Gordon—this is from the affidavit of Ian Cambridge back in 1995. He was calling for a Royal Commission, but was persuaded by a cabal that included Bill Shorten—a group that had a lot to lose if the truth came out, as stated in a letter that’s on the record—-persuaded to take a succession of cushy jobs instead, the latest being at the head of FWA. He still stands by his affidavit.
The remarks in this excerpt from the affidavit concern the conveyancing on the house that Gillard’s boyfriend bid on and paid the deposit on in the name of his bagman Blewitt. She was with him at the time.
The AWU cheque referred to, was the purchaser’s deposit paid to S&G, and formed part of the settlement on the house purchase, along with the $150K mortgage arranged by S&G, in Blewitt’s name , but signed by boyfriend Wilson.
These same points and more were mentioned in detail in a police document that was obtained under FOI.
There’s even more, so you can see that its’ insane to try to claim this extremely serious matter for Gillard and for Slater and Gordon—and Shorten and others—is in any way comparable to the confected allegations against Tony Abbott.
Cambridge’s affidavit states in part…
‘I am unable to understand how Slater and Gordon, who were acting for the Victorian Branch of the Union, could have permitted the use of funds which were obviously taken from theisnion , in the purchase of private property of this nature, without seeking and obtaining proper authority from the Union…’
truth
16 Sep 12 at 1:27 am
Slater and Gordon gave her the bum’s rush for losing a major client (the AWU). Through Gillard’s negligence in not opening a file for her work for Wilson’s “slush fund”, she made the whole firm liable. They did not officially act against her because it would publically expose their own culpability, leaving them open to hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages for their own malfeasance. Your so-called ‘exoneration’ of Gillard is by a fellow collaborator and is thus worthless.
Cold-Hands
16 Sep 12 at 1:48 am
@ truth
You say that if a Prime Minister can manage to delay any scrutiny and accountability for her actions for six years by any means,
Show me where I said that. I pointed out the difference in time scale between Einfield’s case and the allegations against Gillard, to show that linking the two was fantasy.
then that’s just fine by your standards
My standards are those of the Australian community, i.e. that a politically driven allegation is exactly that. Your standards are those of the lynch mob. Those operated in the south of the USA years ago, and on the streets of Benghazi last week.
and union lawbreakers
Guilt by association again. None of this has anything to do with Gillard. Introducing a red herring makes no difference.
How can such a person and her government
Abbott (on his own admission) behaved like a thug years ago, and the targets were frequently women. He believed back then that physical violence was an acceptable way of settling a dispute. How can such a person be fit to lead a government, let alone an opposition?
You claim that the setting up by Gillard
Again – words in my mouth. Show me where I wrote that.
When she reportedly
Hearsay. It doesn’t wash.
they trusted her even though they had misgivings it’s said
Supposition and hearsay again – and lots of fabrications are “said”.
do you still think she was just an innocent bystander?
The most likely explanation is that she was used, but I don’t know, I wasn’t there, and neither were you. Again, an allegation, an assumption, a supposition, a report – none of these is evidence. In this country you aren’t tried and convicted on an allegation, an assumption, a supposition, or a report.
Contrast this with Abbott, who was twice before a court – once charged with sexual assault, and once for wilful damage. On the first he was discharged through conflicting evidence – on the second convicted and placed on good behaviour. There’s a stink of double standards emanating.
persuaded by a cabal
Interpretation – not fact.
as stated in a letter
So someone with an axe to grind expressed an opinion in a letter. I wrote over 300 letters when I was in Vietnam – they’re full of opinions which look naïve now. Sorry, won’t wash.
These same points and more were mentioned in detail in a police document that was obtained under FOI.
And the police didn’t proceed? Says it all really.
There’s even more
Now you’re channelling Demtel.
the confected allegations against Tony Abbott
Confected? Check the court record.
were obviously taken from theisnion (sic)
Was Cambridge having problems with spelling as well?
@ Cold-Hands
Through Gillard’s negligence in not opening a file
OK – so she stuffed up in not following a protocol. This places the whole thing in a real context. Compare that with Abbott’s conduct.
The fact is, he’s a failed seminarian, a failed negotiator, a failed politician (a drover’s dog could have won in 2010) and he thinks ethics is a village in Greece.
1735099
16 Sep 12 at 6:27 am
Insisting that Gillard answer for her professional actions is not equivalent to killing some unconnected person over a bad and clearly doctored video.
But in number’s world an evidence based demand against Gillard for justice and accountability is a death threat, but an unsubstantiated allegation against Abbott is proof of misbehaviour.
What a careless troll he is.
Keith
16 Sep 12 at 8:02 am
Numbers, I would give up the task you have set yourself.
I predict this isn’t the end of the revelations about poor control over union member’s monies and the entire episode of Gillard/Wilson is just one part of the endemic corruption of the ALP.
Have you failed to notice the Obeid clan , Williamson ( ex national president no less),Thomson (he of the amazing self driving and telephoning credit cards) and the corruption of the mining leases granted in NSW to various shelf companies all with links to ALP entities?
You will be very busy answering all these enquiries.
As a dupe you can be exused but the weight and scale of evidence makes your answers to these claims of malfeance look like the work of someone who is motivated by either a desire to excuse the criminal or gross inability to accept that corruption is the problem.
No one is going to be satisfied with an answer or reply to claim of corruption with a claim that there have been no criminal charges made – the sequence of events and the need for a united front to be presented by the numerous players caught up in the corruption means there has been no co-operation with any investigating authority. The old firm of Slater and Gordon, The AWU, the ranks of ex union hacks – the rot is throughout the ALP.
Is is a sad sight for me, a lifelong ALP supporter to see the party beggared in this manner and for whose gains? No for the working people of Australia.
murph the surf.
16 Sep 12 at 8:04 am
“The fact is, he’s a failed seminarian, a failed negotiator, a failed politician (a drover’s dog could have won in 2010) and he thinks ethics is a village in Greece.
1735099
Tony Abbott is just an excellent wonderful gentleman and.Perhaps you just don’t approve of any Catholic people? Although he never mentions his religious point of views anyway, but for some people just knowing someone is of the Catholic persuasion is enough for them to pull their blinkers down and see no further!
candy
16 Sep 12 at 8:39 am
And in fucking Sydney yesterday; and who brought most of these pricks out here? I wonder how many of those bastards were “boat people”?
And how many mindless religion driven mobs have you seen demanding Gillard’s head? That’s right, none; but that doesn’t stop you dredging up a craven equivalence between demanding Gillard face the consequences of her actions and the zealots and shits which populate Islam.
You really are a creep.
cohenite
16 Sep 12 at 9:00 am
She admitted the fraud. She’s a fraud. Piss off 17whatever
Tiny Dancer
16 Sep 12 at 9:47 am
Abbot’s conduct is completely normal (one misdemeanour) and there is no point in questioning it. The only accusation you can make is that he was not guilty of another crime?
You fucking sad c*nt.
Gillard ripped off the working class and WA Government for hundreds of thousands if not millions. She also engaged in tax fraud and then promised to not introduce a new tax.
She is a sociopathic cow.
You call Abbot a failed politician because he couldn’t beat Gillard? Come on, tell us what you think of Gillard. She must be really, really shithouse. Have you worked out that the likes of Gillard and Lee Rhiannon are the scum that spat on Vietnam vets etc, which you can’t seem to let go of?
You mental defective. Get help.
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16 Sep 12 at 11:56 am
Didn’t leave an awful lot of time for spud peeling in those few short months there, eh? Or anything else worthwhile.
Is fabulous self enfoolment a word?
Mick Gold Coast QLD
16 Sep 12 at 12:18 pm
@ Keith
Insisting that Gillard answer for her professional actions is not equivalent
I did not say the two things are equivalent. What I was comparing was the rule of law and mob rule. The partisan crap evidenced here resembles the second more than the first.
but an unsubstantiated allegation
Not unsubstantiated. He was convicted once, and charged once. There was substance to these events.
@ Murph the Surf
As a dupe you can be exused (sic)
The dupes are the sheeple who follow the party line here.
the rot is throughout the ALP.
I doubt there’s any more corruption in the ALP than anywhere else in political life.
As a Queenslander I remember well the washup from the Fitzgerald Inquiry which included criminal convictions from such conservative notables as Brian Austin (15 months for misappropriating public funds in 1990), Leisha Harvey (12 months for misappropriating public funds in 1990), Geoff Muntz (12 months for misappropriating public funds in 1990). And then of course, there was the old villain himself, Jo Bjelke-Petersen who got off on a mistrial because the jury foreman was an apparatchik in the National Party.
Outside of Queensland, there was Terry Martin (Producing child pornography and sexual penetration of a child under the age of 17 in 2011), Dr Bob Brown – this is a badge of honour – (Protesting against the Franklin Dam in 1983) and Ray O’Connor (18 months for stealing a Bond Corporation cheque from a parked car in 1995).
Federally there was Michael Cobb – NSW federal National Party MP fined $14,000 and given a two-year suspended jail term after being found guilty of rorting travel expenses, and Wilson Tuckey convicted of assault in 1967, after repeatedly belting an Aboriginal man with a length of steel cable. It was alleged that the man was being pinned to the ground at the time.
WA Labor MP Graham Edwards, a disabled Vietnam veteran and an ex-member of my old infantry unit, once said that Tuckey is the only MP in Parliament to whom he will not speak.
“Mate, I think he’s a disgrace,” Edwards said. “As far as I’m concerned, he’s just a bloody big coward. Anyone who makes a name for himself on the basis of having someone else hold a person down while you hit them is, in my books, a dingo.
These are representative of the calibre of politicians on the right. Corruption and criminal behaviour is hardly isolated to the ALP.
@ Candy
Perhaps you just don’t approve of any Catholic people?
As a practicing Catholic and a member of my Parish’s Social Justice Committee I don’t have a problem with “Catholic people” as you call them. The word, “Catholic”, incidentally, means broad or wide-ranging in tastes, interests, or the like; having sympathies with all; broad-minded;
Given what is known of Abbott, I’d guess that he has forgotten most of his Jesuit upbringing, and is Catholic in name only.
@ Cohenite
And in fucking Sydney yesterday; and who brought most of these pricks out here? I wonder how many of those bastards were “boat people”?
And the contributor with the vocab problem makes a right ass of himself. None of these idiots would have been boat people unless there were 11 year-olds (or younger) involved. You obviously have a scant knowledge of recent history. Most were first generation Lebanese judging by the names and addresses published so far.
You fucking sad c*nt.
You mental defective. Get help.
Is fabulous self enfoolment a word?
It’s interesting how abuse is the last resort when dimwits run out of logic – not worth acknowledging.
You’re the fool – riflemen in infantry sections don’t peel spuds – that was the job of the cooks at the Dat.
1735099
16 Sep 12 at 5:50 pm
When some one comes out with drivel like that, it’s to be expected numbers you complete fuckwit.
Corruption, child abuse, sexual deviancy and the AlP are synonymous
Now fuck off
JamesK
16 Sep 12 at 5:55 pm
So Wilson Tuckey beat up a rowdy drunk in his pub nearly 50 years ago and this absolves Gillard of her fraud, tax evasion and incompetence?
You are a deranged fuckwit, numbers.
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16 Sep 12 at 5:56 pm
Built any homes for remote Aboriginal communities yet?
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16 Sep 12 at 6:21 pm
The list of criminal convictions seems to have overlooked a rather lengthy list of kiddy fiddlers.
Why were they left out? Is it that numbers doesn’t consider paedophilia anything serious, or that his research is …er…. incomplete?
Steve at the Pub
16 Sep 12 at 6:27 pm
1735099
I remember reading your posts some weeks ago and some”Given what is known of Abbott, I’d guess that he has forgotten most of his Jesuit upbringing, and is Catholic in name only.”
Think that’s a bit unkind, however you’ve got your reasons for disliking Catholics and that’s none of my beeswax.
Anyway, all those people you mention above, it’s all old hat, old days, all gone. Tony Abbott is a fine honest man and intends to head a principled government. It’s really excellent for us!
candy
16 Sep 12 at 6:44 pm
Built any homes for remote Aboriginal communities yet?
No but I spent 5 years in the nineties in remote NW Qld working in Aboriginal Education. I guess that qualifies me to be PM as Abbott does it for a few weeks at a time.
The list of criminal convictions seems to have overlooked a rather lengthy list of kiddy fiddlers.
The complete list reveals close enough to a 50/50 split on the basis of party affiliations since 1987 (Labor = 15, Non-Labor = 14). That doesn’t include Tuckey who offended earlier and if added would make it exactly 50/50.
It’s a problem isn’t it, when the facts get in the way of a good smear?
you’ve got your reasons for disliking Catholics
I don’t hate Catholics, but I have a problem with hypocrites.
1735099
16 Sep 12 at 7:00 pm
Better to stick to the facts on the Wilson Tuckey business, leave out the unsubstantiated part.
I can understand why a publican would take to the member of the public. I fully support it. Wilson Tuckey did something any of the rest of us would do in the same circumstances.
Numbers, are you seriously suggesting that there is a 50/50 split (along party political lines) for convictions for kiddy fiddling?
Steve at the Pub
16 Sep 12 at 7:05 pm
From John Commenus:
Gab
16 Sep 12 at 7:22 pm
“you’ve got your reasons for disliking Catholics
I don’t hate Catholics, but I have a problem with hypocrites.”
“I guess that qualifies me to be PM as Abbott does it for a few weeks at a time.
You do tend to come across as an Abbott hater.
candy
16 Sep 12 at 7:34 pm
media searching from tips
You’ll have to do better than “tips”. These figures are not verifiable without citations.
Since 1983 I identified 28 State or Federal Politicians who had been convicted of offences.
Of the 28, 16 were ALP, 1 ex ALP Independent, 10, Lib & or Nat, and 1 Green.
Even if your figures were verifiable, 12 of the 28 weren’t Labor. The tenor of the postings above insinuate that corruption is confined to the ALP. Clearly. it’s not – it’s a problem across the board.
Your last paragraph is dodgy and your last sentence completely absurd. If I accept your figure of 12 non-Labor politicians convicted since 1983, you’d need 180 Labor people to deliver 15 ALP crims for every LNP crim. Where did you get the additional 164?
That’s the kind of maths used by the likes of Goebbels. He’d be right at home here.
1735099
16 Sep 12 at 7:50 pm
164 what?
Gab
16 Sep 12 at 7:53 pm
@ Steve at the Pub
I fully support it.
So you fully support a man being held down whilst another beats him with a cable?
Graeme Edwards called Tuckey a “Dingo”. He’s a pretty fair judge of character, and your comment says a lot about yours…..
1735099
16 Sep 12 at 7:53 pm
Background information on this here thread. Knock yourself out.
Gab
16 Sep 12 at 7:56 pm
Ray O’Connor was a Liberal.
sdfc
16 Sep 12 at 8:00 pm
No numbers, your comment says a lot about the sheltered life you’ve led.
You’d do well to back up the statement that the person Wilson Tuckey clobbered was being held down. An allegation is not proof.
Steve at the Pub
16 Sep 12 at 8:01 pm
Godwin’s Law: Bob Witless evokes the Nazis.
Nanuestalker
16 Sep 12 at 8:22 pm
@ Gab
164 politicians – as postulated in your factor of 15 to 1…
Bit ridiculous, isn’t it?
@ Steve at the Pub
You wouldn’t know what kind of life I’ve lived, but if 40 years working with disabled kids, more than half of them in the bush, 2 years in the army including active service in a rifle section in Vietnam, 2 years competing a degree part time whilst working labouring jobs, etc is “sheltered” – well I’ve lived a sheltered life.
1735099
16 Sep 12 at 8:23 pm
I stand by my statement numbers. If your comment was fair dinkum, then your life has been somewhat sheltered.
Steve at the Pub
16 Sep 12 at 8:26 pm
In moderation so let me amend it
The ALP has made itself the natural home of pedos, sex offenders and fraudsters. Suck it up 17whatever.
Tiny Dancer
16 Sep 12 at 8:28 pm
“You wouldn’t know what kind of life I’ve lived, but if 40 years working with disabled kids, ..”
You’re obviously a good man 1735099, and I remember your posts from a couple of weeks ago and you’ve had tragedy,it made an impression on me.
But why dis Tony Abbott who is also a good man and serving the community?
i don’t get that.
unless you know him personally and have a real reason for putting Mr Abbott down, why? he’s just a man doing his job the best way he can like most.
candy
16 Sep 12 at 8:31 pm
Why?
Because communist turds like Lee Rhainnon spat on him when he came home from Vietnam.
What a poor defective broken person he is.
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16 Sep 12 at 8:34 pm
“Because communist turds like Lee Rhainnon spat on him when he came home from Vietnam.”
I’ve never understood why they did that, although being a bit lazy on history, i’ve never researched it either but it seems a very shameful episode to treat our Vets like that, any Vets from any war, doesn’t matter, they all deserve our respect.
candy
16 Sep 12 at 8:38 pm
Calling for grieving parents to be gaoled and then taking the piss out of veterens over their war service. All in the space of a week. Dot sets the bar lower and lower.
sdfc
16 Sep 12 at 8:41 pm
@ Noname
The only time I was abused post Vietnam was by Liberal staffer in the 1975 federal election, after my father, who was voting with me told him I was a veteran when I refused to take a how-to-vote card.
This dropkick told me that I wasn’t fighting for him, and that Vietnam wasn’t a “real war”.
Sorry that I don’t fit the stereotype, which is crap anyway. Most Vietnam Veterans have lived good lives since the war – despite the rubbish unloaded on them by ignorant prats like you.
1735099
16 Sep 12 at 8:42 pm
“Our” history? It was the noble left wingers who treated returning servicement so.
So brave were these left wingers that they not only gave lotsa *sheep* to the returning soldiers as they marched in formation, but when the troops were dismissed, and able to break formation & fight back, the left wingers stuck around to, with relish, take on troops who were then allowed to fight back.
Ooops, I made a slight historical error there, can anybody guess what it was?
Steve at the Pub
16 Sep 12 at 8:43 pm
Candy -
Don’t buy into Bob Witless’s claim of 40yrs working with disabled kids as a sign of what a great person he is. 40 years on the public purse doesn’t amount to 40 years of charitable deeds. Jellybeans in the Head is just a troll.
Nanuestalker
16 Sep 12 at 8:48 pm
Guys, Digits had to do a patrol in Vietnam, and he ended up with a nasty case of crotch rot. He spent the rest of his tour dunking the family jewels in a Betadine bath so they wouldn’t fall off. Sadly, the treatment wasn’t effective. so he became a teacher in North Queensland to compensate.
Ignore him. He never got over the sound of “Clunk Clunk splat”
Bob Sewell
16 Sep 12 at 8:49 pm
“Candy -
Don’t buy into Bob Witless’s claim of 40yrs working with disabled kids as a sign of what a great person he is.”
No, Nanuestalker,in all due respect, I do believe 1735099.
He uses that number as his screen name here and perhaps there’s a reason, it’s unusual screen name to my mind.
candy
16 Sep 12 at 8:55 pm
sdfc, numbers is a complete fuckwit so don’t use him to make a point. ill put it down to disillusionment over the swannies loss to east freo.
Harrys on the Boat
16 Sep 12 at 8:56 pm
its his army number apparently, candy. peeling spuds and cowardice are something to be proud of apparently.
Harrys on the Boat
16 Sep 12 at 8:57 pm
@BobSewll, Candy, Nanustalker,
He’s written a book, very interesting & not a bad read.
Go to the website linked on his name & purchase yourself a copy.
Steve at the Pub
16 Sep 12 at 8:58 pm
Word on the street is the guy is a screaming loser.
John Mc
16 Sep 12 at 9:08 pm
Harry it’s been a shocking weekend for footy all round. Today was the icing on the cake.
sdfc
16 Sep 12 at 9:17 pm
It’s his army number Candy. All serviceman have one but rarely broadcast it to anyone. I’ts especially meaningless to anybody apart from the owner even after forty years.
Splatacrobat
16 Sep 12 at 9:25 pm