Open Forum: September 15, 2012 at Catallaxy Files

Open Forum: September 15, 2012

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September 15th, 2012 at 12:01 am

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Jarrah

15 Sep 12 at 12:34 am
What happens if infidel embassies are overrun all over the caliphate? It’s not that hard they’re only glorified houses anyway. Surrounded by larger numbers of heavily armed and highly motivated individuals.

Pickles

15 Sep 12 at 12:47 am
Mitt Romney: Obama ‘Tends To, How Shall I Say It, Say Things That Aren’t True’

Very good interview clip of Romney interviewed by Obumma surrogate George Stephanopulos – a teaser for his Saturday show.

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 1:00 am
Ryan sharpens Obama foreign policy attack in Ohio

Owensville, Ohio (CNN) – In the second of his two campaign appearances Wednesday, Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan sharpened his critique of President Obama’s handling of the unfolding crises in Egypt and Libya.

“The administration sent mixed signals to those who attacked our embassy in Egypt, and mixed signals to the world,” Ryan told an outdoor crowd in Owensville, Ohio, in the heart of deep red Clermont County. “I want to be clear; it is never too early for the United States to condemn attacks on Americans, on our properties, and to defend our values. That’s what leadership is all about.”

Ryan, reading off notes, said the administration’s policies “project weakness abroad” and segued to a broader offensive against Obama’s foreign policy record.

“Undercutting allies like Israel, outreach to enemies like Iran, national security leaks and devastating defense cuts,” he said. “A weak America breeds insecurity and chaos around the world. The best guarantee of peace is American strength. And peace through strength will be the Romney/Ryan foreign policy of this country.”

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 1:14 am
It’s getting worse. And there’s plenty of them that need little or no encouragement to go ballistic.

The Taliban today advised all religious scholars in Afghanistan “to fully inform the masses about such barbaric acts of America in their sermons and to prepare them for a lengthy struggle” in the wake of the “Innocence of Muslims” film.

“The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan condemns with the strongest of words insult towards the great Prophet of Islam, Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (SAW), perpetrated in a screening in an American cinema with the authorization of its government,” the Taliban said in an English-language statement. “…Such revolting actions are not acts of individuals but rather are activities done with the approval or even directly by the government.”

The low-budget film screened once for a handful of people in June at The Vine Theater on Hollywood Boulevard.

Obama’s track record of apologizing to Islam isn’t working.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 1:18 am
Romney Honey Badger Sununu: Obama “Most Arrogant, Self-Centered And Incompetent” President In My Life

Former New Hampshire Governor and Romney surrogate John Sununu had some tough words for President Obama and his handling of the situation in Libya, Egypt and Yemmen. Speaking to Talk Radio Host Paul Westcott he slammed the President for “skipping 60% of his security breifings”, called him “the most arrogant, self centered and incompetent President of his lifetime” and praised Mitt Romney for condemning the US embassy’s statement apologizing to muslims.

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 1:22 am
Just wondering if anyone else is still experiencing problems with the site? I find the ‘recent comments’ list on the right of the page does not update in real time; same goes for the “comments rss” as this doesn’t update when refreshed.

Anyone else? (Or maybe it’s my computer)

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 1:23 am
Hey, as Israeli flags burn in London – and as the Gillard government has declared open season on past behaviours and attitudes…

Barry Cohen: The Anti-Semitic Labor Party.

“When the likes of Labor MP Tanya Plibersek rise in the House of Representatives and call Ariel Sharon “a war criminal” and Israel a “rogue state …”

So the woman opposed to imaginary violence against walls is on side with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and has sympathy for the view that the Jewish people ought to be punished or moved on (so to speak). Nothing inciteful or dangerous to others about those sentiments – nah.

C.L.

15 Sep 12 at 1:24 am
Aye, Gab. None of it is working properly.

C.L.

15 Sep 12 at 1:27 am
Today is Battle of Britain Day. Lest we forget, as too many of the citizens and the governing body of our most powerful ally seem to have done.

perturbed

15 Sep 12 at 1:30 am
Thanks, CL. I’ll shoot a quick email to Jacques to let him know.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 1:32 am
This is tough. But it is fair:

Bloody Handprints: Photos that define a failed Presidency.

C.L.

15 Sep 12 at 1:34 am
I just noticed low-life scum Jarrah made a comment on the previous OT thread in response to my comment the latest Rasmussen daily tracking poll which was but a factual report of 3 day rolling average polling likely voters viz:

” The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday ”

Why would anyone cite Rasmussen?

Jarrah who is low-life scum (quite independent of his frequent dishonesty and leftism) then cites Nate Silver in an infamous rant against Scott Rasmussen which has been thoroughly discredited.

Interestingly the Romney campaign has something to say about Nate Silver of the most leftist broadsheet in the world the vile New York Times and his recent anti-Romney bias just yesterday:

He singled out New York Times polling blogger Nate Silver — whose predictive model currently Obama an 80 percent change of re-election — as a left-leaning journalist who is churning out questionable analysis with partisan motives.
“It was kind of alarming when we found out that [Obama aide David] Axelrod was feeding him all this internal polling data and he wasn’t disclosing it,” the adviser said, referring to the 2008 election. (Silver acknowledged that he examined the Obama campaign’s polling in that race, but said it didn’t impact his objective analysis.)

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 1:40 am
MP Tanya Plibersek rise in the House of Representatives and call Ariel Sharon “a war criminal” and Israel a “rogue state …”

She really said that? What a shmendrik.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 1:40 am
Anyone else? (Or maybe it’s my computer)

Same here Gab

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 1:42 am
W00T! Look at us – we’re Legal Insurrection’s “Blog of the Day” today –> http://legalinsurrection.com/
http://www.uploadscreenshot.com/image/1424418/4858597

sdog

15 Sep 12 at 3:32 am
Imagine living in a thought bubble in an enclave inside a wealth minor metropolis imposed on the countryside in southern New South Wales where you can see The Envy of the World – hazaar!!! – mysteriously unappreciated by the seething middle class:

Youth unemployment in some parts of Europe is, tragically, higher than 50 per cent. Inflation here is tamed. Australia’s public debt is one of the lowest in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the rich nations’ club.
The federal budget is in balance; many other wealthy nations are running chronic, massive deficits that are adding to already bloated debt levels and further shackling economic growth.
Beyond all that, Tony Abbott and his team have largely failed to present ideas, let alone policies. Yes, Abbott is described as one of the most effective opposition leaders in contemporary history, but negativity will become less and less potent as the election approaches. Unless the Coalition starts presenting costed policies soon, it risks a community backlash. Further, there appears to be widespread, fundamental concern about Abbott’s character, a well of distrust and dislike.
Given all of this – a strong legislative record, a shining set of economic numbers and an Opposition Leader who generates fear and loathing in many – it is amazing that Gillard and her government are travelling so poorly. It is testament either to the ineptitude of the Prime Minister and her senior colleagues, or faulty tactics – or both.

Only Fairfaxland, where Labor’s vision is respun and relaunched daily onto a revolting peasantry.

Tom

15 Sep 12 at 4:37 am
If you think Fair Work Australia is a union gravy train, it has nothing on the Queensland Industrial Relations Commission: seven of the eight commissioners under Labor were union fixers, so CanDo has appointed three new commissioners from non-union backgrounds to start redressing the balance. Of course, the Courier-Mail is howling about the extra expense, while, at the same time writing that Newman’s spending cuts may not be enough because he’s gambling on economic growth that may not materialise.

Tom

15 Sep 12 at 5:07 am
Grant whore Stephan Lewandowsky is into us for $1.7 — the latest three tranches of funding from the Australian Research Council — which he is using, among other things, for shoddy research to denigrate people who question climate “science”. Joanne Nova holds him to account.

Tom

15 Sep 12 at 5:21 am
$1.7 million.

Tom

15 Sep 12 at 5:27 am
This current ALP anti-semitism is fucking disgusting.

I’ve been trolling these cnuts twitter accounts, I urge you all to do the same. notice though, how little reportage Sinodinos’ statements are getting. You would think someone in the MSM has some courage and would speak out against this BS that all started with a bunch of nobodies in a local council and some particularly toxic Greens members.

Lee Rhianon should be put on trial.

Dan

15 Sep 12 at 5:38 am
Excuse my ravings, but when you read about what happened in the senate over the week it tends to lead to revulsion.

Dan

15 Sep 12 at 5:50 am
US-commanded MFO in Sinai under attack — dead reported in compound

Times of Israel Reports: The headquarters of the Multinational Force and Observers (MFO) in the Sinai was attacked on Friday night by dozens of Bedouin Salafi gunmen, Israel’s Channel 2 News reported.

Dozens of gunmen, in some 50 vehicles, surrounded the base and then 60-70 of them burst in, storming into the base amid heavy gunfire. Exchanges of fire were continuing into the night, the report said.

Rudiau

15 Sep 12 at 6:32 am
Just wondering if anyone else is still experiencing problems with the site?

Gab, note when the first comment appears on this thread – 12:34am.

There’s your answer right there…

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 6:42 am
Tweet of the Day (and bonus comic of the day): What President Obama tweeted when the bodies of slain U.S. diplomatic personnel were being unloaded in the United States…

Winter is coming, but these sweatshirts are perfect for fall: OFA.BO/rj5Tns
15 Sep 12

Rudiau

15 Sep 12 at 6:49 am
Rabz,
Recent comments not updating on main page.
Occasional connection problems when posting.(frustrating).

Rudiau

15 Sep 12 at 6:52 am
This current ALP anti-semitism is fucking disgusting.

Lee Rhianon should be put on trial.

Dan, do you follow Imre Salusinszky (@Imresal) on Twitter? Go have a look at some of his recent tweets – he’s been on Lee Rhiannon’s, Sylvia Hale’s and SHY’s case too.

sdog

15 Sep 12 at 7:03 am
What President Obama tweeted when the bodies of slain U.S. diplomatic personnel were being unloaded in the United States…

He’s been tweeting crap like that since the Middle East exploded. Shout-outs to celebs, hawking stuff, asking for money… He – or whoever runs his Twitter account – is just out of control.

sdog

15 Sep 12 at 7:07 am
“Why yes, Hillary & Obama are flanked by the flag-draped coffins of 4 Americans murdered as a result of their incompetence.”

“Why is there a political speech being given flanked by 4 coffins???”

“Hillary Clinton blamed a YouTube video with 4 American Flag draped coffins not 10 feet away from her. This is astounding.”

“That our Secretary of State stood between flag-draped coffins and blamed free speech is one of the most offensive things I’ve ever witnessed.”

Props. They’re using the dead bodies of Americans killed on their watch – including the bodies of two former Navy SEALs who almost certainly wouldn’t have pissed on either Hussein or Hitlery if they were on fire – as props.

sdog

15 Sep 12 at 7:14 am
They say Tony needs some policies. Here’s a few suggestions. There are plenty more you could find.
Totally can not just the carbon pricing schemes but also Direct Action because the science needs to be looked at again and the cost can’t be justified in the debt laden situation Labor has brought about.
Delay or delete the maternity leave proposal that has earned him nothing but criticism from media and antagonistic pollies, due to the need to give industry, who were to be levied, a break now that times are tougher.
Promise to improve Health and Education by attacking the blood-sucking huge administrative overburdens and giving control of schools and hospitals back to the lean and mean local people who actually see what needs to be done and do it.
Promise to fine tune Fair Work Australia so it is fair and actually works in Australia’s interests.
Review all national parks and marine parks and reverse those which are blatantly political quid pro quo.
Review and redraft requirements for environmental impact statements which have become a severe impediment to business of all sorts.
Review all unviable aboriginal settlements with a view to placing the people in areas where education and employment might over two generations replace sit down money. Remove obstacles to local area inititpatives such as wild rivers restrictions on Cape York. Make public the amount of money spent per annum paying people to do nothing, and how much this has cost since the oft celebrated Wave Hill walk- off.
Reform the NBN program so it provides “to each according to their needs” to borrow a phrase, in the most cost-effective fashion instead of over-egging the pudding in a non-achievable and business squashing fashion as now being done – so slowly! Money saved, faster rollout.

I’m sure everyone here can add something to the list.

Blogstrop

15 Sep 12 at 7:14 am
“These optics suck Whitehouse”
I hadn’t seen this interview with Michelle Malkin.
It is a couple of days old now but if you haven’t watched it Michelle is really on fire.

Rudiau

15 Sep 12 at 7:31 am
Lee Rhianon should be put on trial.

For treason.

.

15 Sep 12 at 8:03 am
Great list, Blogstrop. Add to this – review and improve and fund our defense forces so that we can better protect our coastline and homeland. Reduce poorly targetted and unhelpful foreign aid, especially Green-tinged stuff. Review all disability payments and streamline and thus improve services without setting up a whole new expensive system (that will be rorted and blown out) to cover disability insurance.

Of course, it’s axiomatic to address the Gramscian march through the institutions – a cultural anti-luvvie sea-change to be floated in the media, schools and universities, bureaucracies.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Sep 12 at 8:26 am
I’d almost forgotten about the lunatic left that used to infest this country, and is now proliferating again using the government money of the Marxists in power in Canberra. Greg Sheridan’s piece today is notionally about David Marr’s smear of Tony Abbott, but it’s also about the violent, intolerant political underclass that once ruled university campuses like a bikie gang while supporting the great communist mass murderers around the world.

Tom

15 Sep 12 at 8:33 am
I see the Liberal(sic) party are focussing the important issues:

IN a sign of deepening turmoil within the NSW Liberals(sic), aggrieved branch members have commenced legal action…
…In a move with broad support in the Right Faction,…

I hope this is some wickedly undercover trick to get Madam Slush to call an early election.

Forester

15 Sep 12 at 8:50 am
Sorry, from today’s Oz…

Forester

15 Sep 12 at 8:51 am
So Paul McGeogh was trying to ratchet up Mid East tensions via FauxFacts yesterday.

WHAT a grubby landscape: a filmmaker, who may or may not be ”an Israeli Jew” who dabbles in Los Angeles real estate, sets out to provoke Muslim anger by packaging every hot-button insult to the prophet Muhammad into a crude film.

So had the Obama admin outed the man for all the jihadist in the world to track him down at this stage?

Disgusting.

Token

15 Sep 12 at 8:59 am
I thought that if I added the Catallaxy “comments feed” RSS to my toolbar I’d be able to see more up-to-date comments listings.

No dice.

Obviously Tony Abbott’s fault.

sdog

15 Sep 12 at 9:01 am
This article was linked to at the end of the last OT. Very interesting and informative:

The attacks on U.S. diplomatic missions this week—beginning in Egypt and Libya, and moving to Yemen and other Muslim countries—came under cover of riots against an obscure online video insulting Islam and the Prophet Muhammad. But the mob violence and assaults should be seen for what they really are: an effort by Islamists to garner support and mobilize their base by exacerbating anti-Western sentiments.

When Secretary of State Hillary Clinton tried to calm Muslims Thursday by denouncing the video, she was unwittingly playing along with the ruse the radicals set up. The United States would have been better off focusing on the only outrage that was of legitimate interest to the American government: the lack of respect—shown by a complaisant Egyptian government and other Islamists—for U.S. diplomatic missions.

Protests orchestrated on the pretext of slights and offenses against Islam have been part of Islamist strategy for decades. Iran’s ayatollahs built an entire revolution around anti-Americanism. While the Iranian revolution was underway in 1979, Pakistan’s Islamists whipped up crowds by spreading rumors that the Americans had forcibly occupied Islam’s most sacred site, the Ka’aba or the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. Pakistani protesters burned the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad.

I hope some of the remaining professional journalists follow the money that funded the sham of a movie as this all stinks of a set up to produce a storm to cover a Islamist plot.

Token

15 Sep 12 at 9:11 am
The article contains some important history that may be missed in a modern context:

And insults, real or hyped, are not the problem. At the heart of Muslim street violence is the frustration of the world’s Muslims over their steady decline for three centuries, a decline that has coincided with the rise and spread of the West’s military, economic and intellectual prowess.

During the 800 years of Muslim ascendancy beginning in the eighth century—in Southern Europe, North Africa and much of Western Asia—Muslims did not riot to protest non-Muslim insults against Islam or its prophet. There is no historic record of random attacks against non-Muslim targets in retaliation for a non-Muslim insulting Prophet Muhammad, though there are many books derogatory toward Islam’s prophet that were written in the era of Islam’s great empires. Muslims under Turkey’s Ottomans, for example, did not attack non-Muslim envoys (the medieval equivalent of today’s embassies) or churches upon hearing of real or rumored European sacrilege against their religion.

We need leaders who understand this and stopped feeding the inferiority complex.

Token

15 Sep 12 at 9:16 am
W00T! Look at us – we’re Legal Insurrection’s “Blog of the Day” today –> http://legalinsurrection.com/
http://www.uploadscreenshot.com/image/1424418/4858597

Great pickup Dawg

Token

15 Sep 12 at 9:17 am
We need leaders who understand this and stopped feeding the inferiority complex.

By that I take it you mean: “stop appeasing Islamists” rather than “stop excelling in science, technology, way of life and political freedoms” as the latter will make them feel more inferior?

Cold-Hands

15 Sep 12 at 9:23 am
Cold Hands, I’ll let the conclusion by the writer to answer that question:

Once the Muslim world embraces freedom of expression, it will be able to recognize the value of that freedom even for those who offend Muslim sensibilities. More important: Only in a free democratic environment will the world’s Muslims be able to debate the causes of their powerlessness, which stirs in them greater anger than any specific action on the part of Islam’s Western detractors.

Until then, the U.S. would do well to remember Osama bin Laden’s comment not long after the Sept. 11 attacks: “When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature they will like the strong horse.” America should do nothing that enables Islamists to portray the nation as the weak horse.

Token

15 Sep 12 at 9:34 am
Promise to fine tune Fair Work Australia so it is fair and actually works in Australia’s interests.

No. He should abolish it. Let’s drop the absurd pretense that it’s an impartial body.

dd

15 Sep 12 at 9:40 am
Disgusting Leftist filth who would allow young girls to be tortured and mutilated to appease a bunch who have devolved into the Dark Ages:

Questions occupying the Left in times of terror

Should we perhaps permit “controlled” genital mutilation, wonders an ABC host.

Should we restrict the right to attack the faith under which such things flourish, wonders the New York Times.

[H/t Bolta]

Token

15 Sep 12 at 9:41 am
Should we perhaps permit “controlled” genital mutilation, wonders an ABC host.

A ‘woman’, BTW…

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 9:48 am
The Australian left has always had an open mind towards female genital mutilation.

C.L.

15 Sep 12 at 9:56 am
The Australian left has always had an open mind towards female genital mutilation.

Time to call on our old friend, Lefty Kim

lotocoti

15 Sep 12 at 10:00 am
Well well well…

Maxine McKew: Julia Gillard is a lying rodent.

Book claims Julia Gillard was deeply involved in Kevin Rudd’s sacking.

JULIA Gillard was deeply involved in a well-planned operation to remove Kevin Rudd from the leadership in 2010, according to a forthcoming book by former Labor MP Maxine McKew.

The potentially damaging expose will challenge claims by the Prime Minister that she had been a reluctant draftee into the plan to roll Mr Rudd and only decided to challenge the day before the spill.

The Daily Telegraph has learned that the book, which is set to reignite tensions over the leadership tussle between the two when published in November, has devoted a chapter entitled “Ambush” to the events of June 2010.

Sources intimate with some of the detail in the book, called Tales From The Political Trenches, said it “will be very uncomfortable for some current members of the cabinet”.

It is believed to contain claims, drawn from numerous interviews with Labor MPs and staffers, that Mr Rudd was given no warning that members of his cabinet were unhappy about his leadership or that they would seek to replace him if things didn’t change.

It is also believed to include previously unpublished insights into the involvement of Housing Minister Brendan O’Connor and Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten, in a plot that had been planned well in advance.

C.L.

15 Sep 12 at 10:06 am
Wow. This will be a dilemma for the government stenographers – whom to trash? McKew or Gillard? Or just not report on it? Or invent something that rallies behind both Gillard and McKew? Tricky.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 10:17 am
Come Gab, the answer is clear, Abbott, Abbott, Abbott…

Token

15 Sep 12 at 10:32 am
Yep, if it wasn’t for Abbott, Kevni’s polling would have held up and Gillard would never have got her chance. One problem with that narrative – Gillard’s polling numbers are worse.

Keith

15 Sep 12 at 10:36 am
Ooh dear,
I seem to have used Rudd’s first name and Gillard’s surname there. Clearly favouritism.
Oh, and I also used ‘her’.
Would this be misogynistic? Would the adjudicators please advise?

Keith

15 Sep 12 at 10:39 am
Or invent something that rallies behind both Gillard and McKew? Tricky.

Diversion is usually the first port of call in such sticky situations. Elevate Turnbull, trash Abbott would be the stenographers’ preferred concoction.

Ivan Denisovich

15 Sep 12 at 10:40 am
Oh yeah, Token, silly me, I forgot about that!

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 10:40 am
Would the adjudicators please advise?

Provided you don’t use that third person, singular pronoun, which is apparently code for Slunty McBentlawyer, you are fine.

lotocoti

15 Sep 12 at 10:45 am
The polls have nothing to do with Abbot.

It is to do with the duplicity and unpopular, rejected far left economic policies of the ALP, lead by the human turd, Wayne Swan.

The polls turned with the mining tax. It boned Kevvy. Gillard lied about the carbon tax. This all after Kevvy proclaimed he was a “fiscal conservative” then we see a ghost written essay aboiut how great Keynes is.

Australians are not stupid. They were sick of little Johnny but they didn’t want to go back to the 1970s of Gough, Malcolm and stagflation.

Then look at all the primary industry the ALP, dickhead and moron Joe Ludwig (fuck you you corrupt old piece of shit, we’re ignoring any D-notice you issue )and the unpopular alliance partners, the Greens have tried to shut down.

The corpse of Billy Snedden could win the next Federal election. The ALP are too dumb and out of touch, and spiteful towards the public to understand their attacks on Abbot just make them look like the fuckwit fanatics they are.

.

15 Sep 12 at 10:50 am
Bringing this over to the Open…

Greg Sheridan destroys the ABC’s Marias Benson:

http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/newsradio/audio/20120914-sheridan.mp3

Note that Benson casually lies throughout – and that Sheridan doesn’t let him get away with it.

C.L.

15 Sep 12 at 10:50 am
Abbot needs to turn the heat up on the orchestrated Australia Day attacks/gee up.

.

15 Sep 12 at 10:54 am
Barack Hussein obeys Muslim Brotherhood, jettisons US Constitution:

President Barack Obama has bowed to the Muslim Brotherhood’s demand that the federal government suppress a satirical video of Islam’s prophet, Muhammad.

Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for the National Security Council, told the Washington Post that the White House has “reached out to YouTube to call the video to their attention and ask them to review whether it violates their terms of use.”

The request complies with the Sept. 13 demand and threat by the brotherhood, which now governs the Arab’s world’s largest country, Egypt.

“Hurting the feelings of one and a half billion Muslims cannot be tolerated, and… we demand that all those involved in such crimes be urgently brought to trial,” according to an English-language statement on the brotherhood’s website.

The brotherhood’s demand included a threat of additional violence during Obama’s re-election campaign.

“The people’s anger and fury for their Faith is invariably predictable, often unstoppable,” said the website.

The submission came shortly after White House spokesman Jay Carney publicly disavowed any plans to curb free speech.

“We cannot and will not squelch freedom of expression in this country — it is a foundational principle,” he told reporters at a 11.15 a.m. press conference in the White House.

Obama submits to Brotherhood, asks for suppression of anti-Islam video.

C.L.

15 Sep 12 at 11:17 am
Should we perhaps permit “controlled” genital mutilation, wonders an ABC host.

Well let her try it first.

Helen Armstrong

15 Sep 12 at 11:26 am
Barack Hussein obeys Muslim Brotherhood, jettisons US Constitution

That Obumma is disrespecting the Constitution is the least of it.

He has a lot of form in that regard.

But much worse, it invites more of the same from radical islamists.

It gives them the idea that the US government can curtail the right of their citizens to free speech.

It’s exactly counter-productive short-term thinking.

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 11:27 am
Bringing this over to the Open…

Greg Sheridan destroys the ABC’s Marias Benson:

http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/newsradio/audio/20120914-sheridan.mp3

Note that Benson casually lies throughout – and that Sheridan doesn’t let him get away with it.

Good. Sheridan really let bald idiot Marius Benson have it.

It was curious listening to Benson suggest that because of Sheridan’s monstering of Hooray Henry Marr, that Marr would need a right of reply to Sheridan;s attacks. Sheridan reminded the bald idiot that Lateline allowed Marr’s attack to go through unchallenged.

It’s not going to work. The Liars Party is going to lose the next election and no amount of ABC assistance to the Liars P will change that.

Fuck you Benson, you bald partisan shithead.

JC

15 Sep 12 at 11:28 am
“Interestingly the Romney campaign has something to say about Nate Silver”

HAHAHAHAHA

Don’t believe that biased journalist, believe this politician!

Man, I’m glad idiots like JamesK are around to provide comedic relief.

Jarrah

15 Sep 12 at 11:36 am
I hope many listen to that Benson / Sheridan interivew.

It’s how the ALPBC must be treated.

Pickles

15 Sep 12 at 11:39 am
Don’t believe that biased journalist, believe this politician!

So do you think Bill O Reilly is more reliable than Obama?

Interesting.

.

15 Sep 12 at 11:41 am
Steyn is scathing
h/tip bolta

Helen Armstrong

15 Sep 12 at 11:54 am
“Interestingly the Romney campaign has something to say about Nate Silver”

HAHAHAHAHA

Don’t believe that biased journalist, believe this politician!

Jarrah is a dishonest toad who is misrepresenting the point.

It is extraordinary that a campaign would pick out a particular journalist/blogger for scathing criticism.

Extraordinary.

It says a lot.

And I repeat that attack by Nate Silver on Scott Rassmussen that Jarrah gleefully posted here is infamous and completely debunked.

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 11:59 am
Sheridan took exactly the right approach when being interviewed on the ABC. Take it as read, that your position will be attacked and that the interviewer will be an advocate for Leftism, and thus never give the interviewer an inch.

dover_beach

15 Sep 12 at 12:01 pm
“So do you think Bill O Reilly is more reliable than Obama?”

If Bill compares two numbers and points out the difference doesn’t look good for Obama, I’d believe him over a campaign spinmeister trying to discredit his character while avoiding all mention of the numbers. JamesK doesn’t like that idea.

Jarrah

15 Sep 12 at 12:02 pm
“infamous and completely debunked”

Typical JamesK post – no reference.

Jarrah

15 Sep 12 at 12:06 pm
You may have noticed how the super trawler was scuttled by a need to spend two years “reviewing the science”.
If the science of fishing takes two years, the science of climate requires another two hundred years before we do anything so reckless and futile as to try and reset the earth’s thermostat.

blogstrop

15 Sep 12 at 12:06 pm
Can you guys flush your browser caches and see if the slow-comments thing persists?

Jacques Chester

15 Sep 12 at 12:08 pm
“infamous and completely debunked”

Typical JamesK post – no reference.

I love when scumbag Jarrah beclowns himself.

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 12:13 pm
Done, Jacques. And opened new Cat page however your comment at 12.08pm is still not listed on the ‘recent comments’ section.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 12:15 pm
Ann Barnhardt is as mad as hell and she’s not going to take it any more.
She has “had this horseshit”, and issues a challenge that is direct, confronting, bound to get attention. Complete with videos.
“I demand to be arrested for blasphemy. Now.”
This woman is awesome. Nobody is going to intimidate her by saying “we love death more than you love life”.

blogstrop

15 Sep 12 at 12:16 pm
And the Comments RSS is not refreshing, Jacques.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 12:18 pm
If Bill compares two numbers and points out the difference doesn’t look good for Obama, I’d believe him over a campaign spinmeister trying to discredit his character while avoiding all mention of the numbers. JamesK doesn’t like that idea.

I kind of agree jarrah. I think O Reilly’s belief set is wrong, and he is bit of a media princess, but I don’t think he goes out of his way to be deceptive. He actually goes by the “we report, you decide” mantra pretty well. Even if he is a pillock he lets Miller on the air so he gets a reprieve.

.

15 Sep 12 at 12:21 pm
Ann Barnhardt is kind of a nut.

She is a Catholic laywoman, IIRC, but has called Cdls Dolan and O’Malley all kinds of names. Her site is a sight to behold.

She is against women voting.

I shall leave it up to the reader to decide which of these makes her seem like a nut to me.

Julian O'Dea

15 Sep 12 at 12:27 pm
You may have noticed how the super trawler was scuttled by a need to spend two years “reviewing the science”.

What about the previous seven years? Um?

.

15 Sep 12 at 12:40 pm
Gab;

I and the host can’t recreate the problem — can you try with a different browser?

Jacques Chester

15 Sep 12 at 12:44 pm
test

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 12:50 pm
Mark Steyn has the column that, by rights, ought to mark the end of the most disgraceful presidency in US history.

C.L.

15 Sep 12 at 1:04 pm
Have tried another browser, Jacques. Still same result. For example CL’s comment still doesn’t appear on the Comments RSS nor the main comments list.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 1:06 pm
Sorry, Helen. Thread froze (or something) – didn’t see your Steyn link.

C.L.

15 Sep 12 at 1:07 pm
CL it is good that link gets repeated, as it is worth reading. Am I right in thinking there is a white hot rage building about Obama’s handling of this?

Helen Armstrong

15 Sep 12 at 1:12 pm
Insiders should be hilarious.

How to throw an ABC woman under the bus for reporting that Gillard lied her sizeable arse off over the Rudd knifing?

Even now, Barrie is trying to plot it all out.

C.L.

15 Sep 12 at 1:18 pm
Just a follow on from Helen’s linked excellent Steyn article.

Steyn on Obama’s Las Vegas ‘performance’: ‘Every American should be ashamed of their president’ [AUDIO]

On Hugh Hewitt’s radio show Thursday night, National Review columnist Mark Steyn, author of “After America: Get Ready for Armageddon,” said President Barack Obama gave an embarrassing performance Wednesday during his campaign swing through Las Vegas, Nev., in the wake of attacks on U.S. diplomatic stations in Libya and Egypt.

“I thought that thing last night with the president saying he had ‘a tough day’ and comparing the dead Americans in Libya to campaign supporters, which he did — I thought was one of the most disgraceful, inept and embarrassing performances by a head of state or government that I have ever seen,” Steyn said. “Every American should be ashamed of their president.”

Short and well worth a listen.

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 1:20 pm
Jacques, I notice that the pages are being served up with this resposnse header:

Cache-Control:max-age=7200, must-revalidate

7200 seconds is two hours. Could that be a problem? Does that mean that pages are being cached for up to two hours?

Dangph

15 Sep 12 at 1:22 pm
Maxine McKew’s book could be a big seller given that it’s about a recent dramatic time in politics and with all the interesting personalities involved,
but if she ends up banging on about John Howard and Tony Abbott, it’ll be just same old, same old.

candy

15 Sep 12 at 1:23 pm
People in the media and of similar biases around here shouldn’t wasted time playing games and actually pay attention to this which has always been the key issue:

…The men who organized this attack knew the ambassador would be at the consulate in Benghazi rather than at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli. How did that happen? They knew when he had been moved from the consulate to a “safe house,” and switched their attentions accordingly. How did that happen? The United States government lost track of its ambassador for 10 hours. How did that happen? Perhaps, when they’ve investigated Mitt Romney’s press release for another three or four weeks, the court eunuchs of the American media might like to look into some of these fascinating questions, instead of leaving the only interesting reporting on an American story to the foreign press.

For whatever reason, Secretary Clinton chose to double down on misleading the American people. “Libyans carried Chris’ body to the hospital,” said Mrs. Clinton. That’s one way of putting it. The photographs at the Arab TV network al-Mayadeen show Chris Stevens’ body being dragged through the streets, while the locals take souvenir photographs on their cellphones.

Steyn’s article hits the target and blows away the crap the Obama administration peddles to cover butts.

Token

15 Sep 12 at 1:34 pm
That is one powerful article. Cuts like a hot knife through monty.

dover_beach

15 Sep 12 at 1:56 pm
Egyptian who was part of the initial Tahrir Square protests says life getting worse.

Mahmoud Salem — aka Sandmonkey — is the well-known and highly-respected Egyptian blogger who was one of the original democracy demonstrators in Tahrir Square back when people, including me, wanted to believe in the “Arab Spring.” How naive we were.

I was able to catch up with Mahmoud this evening via Skype to his cell phone in a Cairo suburb for this audio interview. Not surprisingly, the Sandmonkey does not sound optimistic, but, as you will hear, he has not lost his sense of humor, even while calling for heads to roll among “Arabists” at certain Washington think tanks.

Token

15 Sep 12 at 2:06 pm
Now here’s a pleasing map.

Fingers crossed.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 2:18 pm
“I love when scumbag Jarrah beclowns himself.”

Still no reference.

Jarrah

15 Sep 12 at 2:20 pm
Youtube tells Obama it’s okay, we believe in free speech even if you don’t.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 2:29 pm
Why Nate Silver’s cozy insider status with Obama for America in 2008 matters in 2012.
As usual on the Left, it’s who you know that matters more.

OK, let me just lay this out for you.

Nate Silver is a political blogger – specialty; polls and polling – with both a devoted following and a sweet gig doing poll matters for the New York Times.

Silver has both because he enjoys a reputation as having a keen insight into the polling process, and an enviable track record at predicting results.

If you drill down on that, you quickly realize that Silver’s predictive abilities are largely due to his performance in the 2008 election cycle; during the 2010 cycle his earliest predictions about Congress (and his insights about how Republicans were thinking about the issues) first turned out to be laughably bad, then became extremely low-key until it became clear to EVERYBODY that the Republicans were going to win big. Still, getting 2008 right is good, yes?

Well. It turns out that the Obama campaign fed Silver huge amounts (H/T: AoSHQ) of their internal polling material during the 2008 cycle. Nate Silver did not disclose this, due to a confidentiality agreement.

I would like to note at this moment that there is nothing illegal about the previous bullet point.

Whether this was ethical, however, is a completely different story. Presidential internal polls are gold-standard; campaigns can afford the best data, expect the best data, and get the best data. If Nate Silver was able to cross-check outside polls with the stuff being fed him by Obama for America, he would be in a position to better detect polls and results whose flaws were hidden. In other words: insider access likely allowed Silver improve his ability to sort through the chaff for the wheat, and thus improve his reputation.

I hear people going “So what?” at this point. Well, there’s two reasons why this is problematical. The first is that Nate Silver is playing the part of the independent blogger with a system. Putting aside for the moment where ‘insider access’ is a legitimate system, such a pose allowed Silver to write things like this attack on Scott Rasmussen’s professional ethics because Rasmussen openly did some work for the Republican party during the 2004 election cycle. The impact of that particular post – which the Online Left has run with ever since – would have been much different if it had been disclosed that Nate Silver had had a formal special relationship with the Democratic party*.

Second, and more importantly? This is not 2008. This is 2012, and Nate Silver is working for the New York Times. Why is that important? Why, it’s because of those pesky confidentiality agreements. If Obama for America is still feeding Silver information, I have a real problem with a news organization being given non-classified material on the proviso that they never, ever reveal that they got it… and so should you. But I don’t think that it’s that bad. I think that the NYT wouldn’t sign off on that, which means that Silver isn’t being fed information this go-round.

And if that’s true, then that means that Nate Silver does not in fact have any special insight into how the 2012 election goes.

*Silver’s butt-covering on this is a thing of beauty, in its way.

But I do believe in open disclosure, both as a branding and an ethical matter. That’s why I tell you in the FAQ who I voted for (Barack Obama). I have never conducting polling or paid consulting on behalf of a political client, nor am I actively (or even passively, for the time being) soliciting such business. I have conducted consulting and polling on behalf non-political clients, and I have also advised political clients on an informal, unpaid basis. FiveThirtyEight is independently owned and operated.

Strictly speaking, the statement And oh, yeah, the Obama campaign gave me all sorts of proprietary political polling material that could easily be used to check my assumptions for me; only I didn’t tell anybody about that before now does not contradict that paragraph. Strictly speaking. But that is only if you, to repeat a phrase, make “the most absurdly lawyerly reading” of said paragraph.

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 2:30 pm
Wasn’t Nate Silver one of the infamous JournoLists?

dover_beach

15 Sep 12 at 2:34 pm
John Fund, WSJ: America’s Insurgent Pollster
Understanding the tea party is essential to predicting what the country’s political scene will look like.

Thanks to the shifting tectonic plates of American society, polls have come to dominate our politics as never before, and Mr. Rasmussen is today’s leading insurgent pollster. A co-founder of the sports network ESPN as a young man, now, at age 54, he’s a key player in the contact sport of politics. His firm, Rasmussen Reports, has replaced live questioners with automated dialers so it can inexpensively survey a large sample of Americans every night about their confidence in the economy and their approval of President Obama. Key Senate and governor’s races are polled every two weeks.

Some traditional pollsters argue otherwise, but time has shown that automated telephone technology delivers results that are just as accurate as conventional methods (as well as being far less costly). Mr. Rasmussen correctly predicted the 2004 and 2008 presidential races within a percentage point. In 2009, Mickey Kaus of Slate.com noted that Mr. Rasmussen’s final poll in the New Jersey governor’s race was “pretty damn accurate. Polls using conventional human operators tended to show [Democrat Jon] Corzine ahead. They were wrong.”

RTWT

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 2:34 pm
Pat Caddell and Doug Schoen: Don’t Shoot the Pollster
Attacks on Scott Rasmussen and Fox News show a disturbing attitude toward dissent.

A recent case in point is what has happened to Scott Rasmussen, an independent pollster we both work with, who has an unchallenged record for both integrity and accuracy. Mr. Rasmussen correctly predicted the 2004 and 2008 presidential races within a percent, and accurately called the vast majority of contested Senate races in 2004 and 2006. His work has sometimes been of concern for Republicans, particularly when they were losing congressional seats in 2004 and 2006.

Most recently, Mr. Rasmussen has been the leader in chronicling the decline in the public’s support for President Obama. And so he has been the target of increasingly virulent attacks from left-wing bloggers seeking to undermine his credibility, and thus muffle his findings……..

Mr. Rasmussen, who is avowedly not part of the Beltway crowd in Washington, has been willing to take on issues like ethics and corruption in ways no other pollsters have been able to do. He was also one of the first pollsters to stress people’s real fear of the growing size of government, the size of the deficit, and the concern about spending at a time when these issues were not really on Washington’s radar screen.

The reaction against him has been strident and harsh. He’s been called an adjunct of the Republican Party when in fact he has never worked for any political party. Nor has he consulted with any candidates seeking elective office.

The attacks on Rasmussen and Gallup follow an effort by the White House to wage war on Fox News and to brand it, as former White House Director of Communications Anita Dunn did, as “not a real news organization.” The move backfired; in time, other news organizations rallied around Fox News. But the message was clear: criticize the White House at your peril.

As pollsters for two Democratic presidents who served before Barack Obama, we view this unprecedented attempt to silence the media and to attack the credibility of unpopular polling as chilling to the free exercise of democracy.

This is more than just inside baseball. As practicing political consultants, both of us have seen that the established parties try to stifle dissent among their political advisers and consultants. The parties go out of their way to try to determine in advance what questions will be asked and what answers will be obtained to reinforce existing party messages. The thing most feared is independence, which is what Mr. Rasmussen brings.

Mr. Gibbs’s comments and the recent attempts by the Democratic left to muzzle Scott Rasmussen reflect a disturbing trend in our politics: a tendency to try to stifle legitimate feedback about political concerns—particularly if the feedback is negative to the incumbent administration.

Mr. Caddell served as a pollster for President Jimmy Carter. Mr. Schoen, who served as a pollster for President Bill Clinton, is the author of “The Political Fix” just out from Henry Holt.

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 2:39 pm
Paterico: An in-depth look at Rasmussen and vintage Democratic whine

Ed Morrissey and DRJ have both covered the Politico’s indulgence of lefty whining about inconvenient polling:

Democrats are turning their fire on Scott Rasmussen, the prolific independent pollster whose surveys on elections, President Obama’s popularity and a host of other issues are surfacing in the media with increasing frequency.

The pointed attacks reflect a hardening conventional wisdom among prominent liberal bloggers and many Democrats that Rasmussen Reports polls are, at best, the result of a flawed polling model and, at worst, designed to undermine Democratic politicians and the party’s national agenda.

Notably, the weakest quotes in the piece are from actual pollsters. The Politico’s Alex Isenstadt talked to Pollster.com’s Mark Blumenthal and Charles Franklin, both of whom observed only that Rasmussen’s polling is less favorable for Democrats and is used frequently by Republicans. This is not surprising, as both have addressed the topic at length in the face of the ongoing lefty whining about Rasmussen.

In December 2009, Mark Blumenthal charted the “house effects” of the pollsters charted by Pollster.com in a post about Rasmussen’s results. Blumenthal identified at least three possible reasons why Rasmussen tends to show Obama with lower approval and higher disapproval than most (but not all) pollsters: (1) sampling likely voters; (2) giving them four possible answers (strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove); and (3) the robo-calling method. While Blumenthal thinks the robo-calling is a minor factor, Democratic polling firm PPP uses the same method to reach registered voters and also tends to show lower approval for Pres. Obama. Thus, this part of the Politico story is not surprising, either:

“The way he does polls is that he’s more likely to get high-energy voters,” said Tom Jensen, a pollster for the North Carolina-based Democratic firm Public Policy Polling. “I think Rasmussen favors Republicans this year, but I don’t think he inherently favors Republicans.”

Blumenthal’s charts show similarly large “house effects” that inflate Obama’s approval number (CBS/NYT, Ispos/McClatchy, CNN and ABC/WaPo) and deflate his disapproval (CBS/NYT, Pew). His colleague Charles Franklin produced charts for each pollster that make the same point in a slightly different way.

These charts demonstrate one of the common righty responses to the Politico story — that the establishment media never does stories about the Right’s complaints against polls like CBS/NYT, ABC/WaPo and CNN. The charts also underscore the degree to which the Politico story appears to have been written simply to advance a lefty narrative. After all, this story could easily have been written to advance the narrative that “lefty bloggers complain about Rasmussen, but pollsters the Politico interviewed do not back their complaints.”

—

Note: I previously addressed lefty complaints about Rasmussen’s polling on ObamaCare, finding them wanting.

Update: Lefty blogger Nate Silver (because he knows better) adds a new spin — Rasmussen may not be biased, but news outlets that cite Rasmussen too much may be biased.

Yet during the 2008 campaign, Silver rated Rasmussen one of the most accurate pollsters.

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 2:54 pm
Insiders should be hilarious.

How to throw an ABC woman under the bus for reporting that Gillard lied her sizeable arse off over the Rudd knifing?

Easily solved CL.
They’ll discuss it for 90 seconds or so in the second half of the show, then move on. It was, after all, so long ago, it’s water under the bridge and all that. And besides, they need to clear lots of space to discuss The Punch.

dd

15 Sep 12 at 2:54 pm
WOW. Riots in sydney, right now. police use tear gas on rioters.

Up to 500 protesters stormed through the city as protesters worked their way through Pitt Street before moving to Hyde Park amid a heavy police presence.

The crowd carried signs saying “Behead all those who insult the prophet”.

dd

15 Sep 12 at 2:58 pm
Wow, look at all those loyal ‘Australians.’

They shouldn’t be gassed; they should be clubbed and bashed by the police.

C.L.

15 Sep 12 at 3:04 pm
“Behead all those who insult the prophet”.

It’s so primitive.

JC

15 Sep 12 at 3:04 pm
Poll Accuracy in the 2008 Presidential Election
—Initial Report, November 5, 2008—
Costas Panagopoulos, Ph.D.
Department of Political Science
Fordham University(pdf)

The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of their final, national preelection
polls (as reported on pollster.com).
1. Rasmussen (11/1-3)**
1. Pew (10/29-11/1)**
2. YouGov/Polimetrix (10/18-11/1)
3. Harris Interactive (10/20-27)
4. GWU (Lake/Tarrance) (11/2-3)*
5. Diageo/Hotline (10/31-11/2)*
5. ARG (10/25-27)*
6. CNN (10/30-11/1)
6. Ipsos/McClatchy (10/30-11/1)
7. DailyKos.com (D)/Research 2000 (11/1-3)
8. AP/Yahoo/KN (10/17-27)
9. Democracy Corps (D) (10/30-11/2)
10. FOX (11/1-2)
11. Economist/YouGov (10/25-27)
12. IBD/TIPP (11/1-3)
13. NBC/WSJ (11/1-2)
14. ABC/Post (10/30-11/2)
15. Marist College (11/3)
16. CBS (10/31-11/2)
17. Gallup (10/31-11/2)
18. Reuters/ C-SPAN/ Zogby (10/31-11/3)
19. CBS/Times (10/25-29)
20. Newsweek (10/22-23)

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 3:11 pm
Those Islamists calling for murder on the streets of Sydney are the full responsibility of the Left.

The world is just too dangerous at the moment to be allowing Leftist expression to disrupt and confuse things.

Fisky

15 Sep 12 at 3:17 pm
Those Islamists calling for murder on the streets of Sydney are the full responsibility of the Left.

Piers Akerman:

But under Hilaly, the Lakemba mosque, his powerbase, became the home of the Islamic Youth Movement, a body which ran excerpts from the works of Sayyid Qutb, the force behind the radical Muslim Brotherhood, and publicised interviews with the spiritual leader of the Bali bombers, Abu Bakar Bashir, and Osama bin Laden in its magazine, Nida’ul Islam. Translations were often provided by his personal interpreter, Keysar Trad.

Hilaly is the author of his own fate, with some assistance from Labor. The ALP’s short-term political expediency has left Australia with a long-term cultural disaster.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/extreme-ploy-to-win-votes/story-e6frezz0-1111112441237

Ivan Denisovich

15 Sep 12 at 3:20 pm
It’s frightening how close they conform to the stereotype we’ve come to identify with extremist Islam. Don’t they realise this? In the same week that agents conducted anti-terror raids in Melbourne, that Australia’s first female genital mutilation charges have been laid, they come out and do this.

But we’re supposed to be different in Australia, Europe’s problems wouldn’t be seen hear, they said…

Harold

15 Sep 12 at 3:24 pm
OK, the host reckons they’ve spotted and fixed an issue with the comments feed.

Can you sound off it’s working for you now?

Jacques Chester

15 Sep 12 at 3:31 pm
I can’t understand ABC 24′s coverage. There’s a protest happening in the Sydney CBD and they can’t get a camera crew there? What the hell is going on? They are simply showing stills. Just pathetic.

dover_beach

15 Sep 12 at 3:35 pm
Status unchanged for mine, Jacques. Comments rss and recent comments list show JamesK comment at 2.30pm to be the most recent.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 3:36 pm
I don’t know if this is important, Jacques, the ‘recent comments’ list gets successfully updated after F5 when one is actually in a thread. So I can, for example, see a new comment from Ivan in another thread while I’m in the Open Forum thread. (Sorry if that’s unclear).

Gabrielle

15 Sep 12 at 3:42 pm
Can you flush your local cache and try again, Gab?

Jacques Chester

15 Sep 12 at 3:47 pm
I did that but will do so again.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 3:48 pm
The crowd carried signs saying “Behead all those who insult the prophet”.

Sure is lot nastier than ‘ditch the bitch’

I wonder if we’ll get a condemnation in parliament?

brc

15 Sep 12 at 3:50 pm
Sorry, Jacques but I still get the main Cat page with most ‘recent comment’ being Jamesk at 2.30pm; same for comments rss feed.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 3:52 pm
OK, I’ve let them know.

Jacques Chester

15 Sep 12 at 3:55 pm
Sorry, Jacques but I still get the main Cat page with most ‘recent comment’ being Jamesk at 2.30pm; same for comments rss feed.

That was on Firefox.

For IE, most recent comment still stuck at 3.36pm comment of mine above.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 3:55 pm
Cache flushing sorted Safari.

lotocoti

15 Sep 12 at 4:00 pm
“Josh Bavas Josh Bavas ‏@joshbavas

I’m only hearing snippets about what’s happening down the road in Martin Place, Sydney. Police have been injured there. ”

I’m trolling the twitter feeds. @JoshBavas is an ALPBC journo who has pics there, i’m looking for vid.

nilk

15 Sep 12 at 4:02 pm
Where I normally feed info through is manned by Europeans and Americans, and it looks like everyone is asleep. Anyone mind if I start linking stuff through? I found a photo of a child carrying one of those lovely mass-produced placards calling for beheadings.
here.

nilk

15 Sep 12 at 4:04 pm
Listen to the drivel on ABC News 24.

The initial clashes between the mussies and the police was just a misunderstanding that has now been worked out.

The protests are really about evangelism and reaching out to the general public to make them feel welcome by islam.

John Mc

15 Sep 12 at 4:06 pm
Joel Tozer is with the Globe and Mail.

And This sign is a handmade call for.. yes.. a beheading.

nilk

15 Sep 12 at 4:06 pm
Ah, yes, the ALPBC.

nilk

15 Sep 12 at 4:08 pm
According to the Occupy Cake Stall it’s an ‘Arab Street Rally.’ link

And the aussiemuslims

nilk

15 Sep 12 at 4:14 pm
“Obama, Obama, we love Osama” – the classy Muslims chant as he strolls through inner Sydney

Tiny Dancer

15 Sep 12 at 5:05 pm
“Behead all those who insult the prophet”.

These guys are so great, the fit in so well, where can we order a few more boatloads?

Token

15 Sep 12 at 5:11 pm
Bolta has a picture with a boy (5 yo) holding up that hate filled sign.

Token

15 Sep 12 at 5:14 pm
See the injured and bleeding copper? Ah, a little bit of Libyan/Egypt/Syria/take your pick/ comes to Sydney, Australia.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 5:17 pm
woolfe ‏@woolfe
Hey, people, look on the bright side, at least when they take over Roxon and Rhiannon would have to wear a Burqua. #auspol

LOL

Rudiau

15 Sep 12 at 5:19 pm
If you’re on twitter, I’ve been following @joshbavas along with @Davidramli and @jttozer. Joel Tozer is the one who snapped off the child with the sign as far as I can tell.

I suspect it will kick off now that the women and children have gone home, so there are no restraining influences. I have to go out now, too, just as it’s all happening.

nilk

15 Sep 12 at 5:20 pm
From nilk’s ABC news link:

“One protester was carrying a placard that read “behead those who insult the Prophet”.

Just one, hey?

Ellen of Tasmania

15 Sep 12 at 5:22 pm
Ellen, others had the ‘behead those who insult islam’ placards. Nothing wrong with a bit of diversity!

nilk

15 Sep 12 at 5:24 pm
“This is not a case of protests directed at the United States writ large or at U.S. policy, but it is in response to a video that is offensive to Muslims.” — White House Press Secretary Jay Carney.

Ellen of Tasmania

15 Sep 12 at 5:26 pm
Just one, hey?

I saw many.
As per the other thread Defund/Sell ALPBC.
Greg Sheridan asks the question, why are taxpayers paying for sectarian partisanship?
Liberty Quote.

Rudiau

15 Sep 12 at 5:29 pm
A lot of ” 6th Pillar ” t-shirts in that crowd.
A lot of Nike runners too.

jumpnmcar

15 Sep 12 at 5:42 pm
ABC News 24 – police spokesperson:

Six police officers injured.

The police are happy it was relatively well behaved (and certainly could have been worse!).

John Mc

15 Sep 12 at 5:52 pm
8 people arrested, two police vehicles damaged. Warnings released advising pedestrians and motorists to keep away from the CBD.

But the police have defended their actions!

John Mc

15 Sep 12 at 5:58 pm
Another powerful Paul Ryan speech and another categorical indictment of Obumma.

In this election, many millions of Americans count themselves as values voters, and I am one of them. In 53 days, we have a choice between two very different ideas about our country – how we were meant to live, and what we were meant to be.

It’s the kind of choice that can never be taken for granted. Peace, freedom, and civilized values have enemies in this world, as we have been reminded by events in Egypt, Libya, and Yemen.

We have all seen images of our flag being burned and our embassies under attack by vicious mobs. The worst of it is the loss of four good men, including our ambassador to Libya. They were there for the most peaceful purposes in service to our country. And today our country honors their lives and grieves with their families.

All of us are watching events closely, but we know who America is dealing with in these attacks. They are extremists who operate by violence and intimidation. And the least equivocation or mixed signal only makes them bolder.

Look across that region today, and what do we see?

- The slaughter of brave dissidents in Syria.

- Mobs storming American embassies and consulates.

- Iran four years closer to gaining a nuclear weapon.

- Israel, our best ally in the region, treated with indifference bordering on contempt by the Obama administration.

Amid all these threats and dangers, what we do not see is steady, consistent American leadership.

In the days ahead, and in the years ahead, American foreign policy needs moral clarity and firmness of purpose. Only by the confident exercise of American influence are evil and violence overcome.

That is how we keep problems abroad from becoming crises. That is what keeps the peace. And that is what we will have in a Romney-Ryan administration.

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 6:10 pm
I love this: Bob Dylan is baited by a zombie from Rolling Stone to denounce Obama’s critics as racist and he goads him to endorse Obambi. He refuses.
(H/T Blair)

Tom

15 Sep 12 at 6:16 pm
USA Today: Deadly embassy attacks were days in the making

CAIRO — Days of planning and online promotion by hard-line Islamist leaders helped whip up the mobs that stormed the U.S. Embassy in Egypt and launched a deadly attack on the U.S. Embassy in Libya that killed an ambassador and three others.

The protest was planned by Salafists well before news circulated of an objectionable video ridiculing Islam’s prophet, Mohammed, said Eric Trager, an expert at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
The protest outside the U.S. Embassy in Cairo was announced Aug. 30 by Jamaa Islamiya, a State Department-designated terrorist group, to protest the ongoing imprisonment of its spiritual leader, Sheikh Omar abdel Rahman. He is serving a life sentence in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center.
When the video started circulating, Nader Bakkar, the spokesman for the Egyptian Salafist Noor party, which holds about 25% of the seats in parliament, called on people to go to the embassy. He also called on non-Islamist soccer hooligans, known as Ultras, to join the protest.
On Monday, the brother of al-Qaeda leader Ayman al Zawahiri, Mohamed al Zawahiri, tweeted that people should go to the embassy and “defend the prophet,” Trager said.
Zawahiri justified al-Qaeda’s 9/11 attacks in an interview with Al Jazeera last month.
“If America attacks the Arab peoples and their regimes do not defend them, somebody who does defend the Arab and Muslim peoples should not be considered a criminal,” Zawahiri told the television network, according to a translation by MEMRI. “We have done nothing wrong.”
A U.S. official, speaking to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the situation publicly, said the Obama administration is investigating whether the assault on the U.S. consulate in Libya was planned to mark the anniversary of 9/11.

For Jay Carney the fuckwit WH spokesman to even have suggested otherwise is beyond parody.

This WH is so utterly inept when on the defensive.

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 6:18 pm
WOW. Riots in sydney, right now. police use tear gas on rioters.

Dave, absolutely f*cking disgraceful – it’s the local branch of hezbollocks – i.e. the same bunch of goat pleasuring sand monkeys who rampaged through Cronulla and Maroubra in 2005.

o’barrell of course, has even smaller gonads than that loathsome piece of lobodomy pardee shit morrie enema.

Yes people – that’s Sydney in 2012, not fucking beirut.

FFS.

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 6:21 pm
Time to bring out the White Elephant and see what it can do with that trunk.

duncan

15 Sep 12 at 6:42 pm
FFS – I am so furious about that incident in Sydney that it’s probably unwise for me to comment on it again.

Not happy, you marxist pieces of shit!

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 6:44 pm
I was in the office. That mob went past our building. We could hear them from 20 floors up. There are noisy protests most weekend, so I paid them no heed. If I’d known what was going on, I would have popped out for a look.

Given how noisy, furious and mental they sounded, I thought they were state school teachers protesting against the proposed budget cuts.

boy on a bike

15 Sep 12 at 6:45 pm
I just put this up on another thread after a quiet sit down to read the paper got me rather riled, but it probably sits better here, so I’m putting it here too. Meanwhile, a friend of mine has just called from Sydney to say that someone close to us both has had a particular crisis which needs police intervention (a life may be at risk due to mental illness) but the cops have said they are really too busy to deal with it because of ‘the Islamic riots’. The riots? I replied, but now I know. Meanwhile, here’s my blast at Nikki for you all:

Personally, in Australia, I am so sick of media spin. The latest one to get me really annoyed is the Weekend Oz Magazine’s Nicki Gemmell. This woman uses feeling rather than thought to write her columns, and this week’s is a lu lu of silliness about feminism and how she grieves for her daughters because female politicians like Julia Gillard are not given a fair go – about which, Nikki the thoughtless, I scream absolute bulldust.

Gemmell goes for outright toadyism and leftism – for example, claiming against all the evidence of Gillard’s duplicity and evasions in this matter that Gillard’s answers about ‘the Slater & Gordon years’ were an ‘exhaustive, witty, eloquent chastening’ of the media. She claims Gillard has been ‘belittled, mocked’ and OMG, get this – ‘ignored’. then the lu lu plus – Leigh Sales when interviewing Tony Abbott on 7.30 ‘courageously wanted to inject a little equality into the national debate; to be as hard on Abbott as she would ever be on Gillard’. This, if you have seen the interview and the howls about unfair interviewing and bias surrounding it, is an absolute travesty of a description given what happened: Sales’s unprofessional and partisan attack on Abbott in comparison to her generally easy treatment of Gillard. Gemmell then goes on to say that ‘For this, Sales was labelled a “cow” by Liberal strategist Grahame Morris’ – which again is a totally unfair representation of how and when and why Morris used this word.

Nikki Gemmell, you say it will be a long time before we ever see another female PM in Australia. It certainly will if such a one is ever like Julia Gillard. It is the person who counts, not the gender, and you should know and acknowledge this. You are a fraudulent writer, stuck in an inner-city enclave and putting a tired old spin about feminism onto the inept leader of the worst government Australia has experienced in generations.

Gemmel should go back to writing about sex. Feelings matter a lot more there.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Sep 12 at 6:48 pm
Token

I’ve downloaded Safari (for PC) but still no luck.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 6:49 pm
… it will be a long time before we ever see another female PM in Australia.

Yep.

Just like it will be a long time before we ever see another ‘black’ President in the United States…

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 6:54 pm
I’ve downloaded Safari (for PC) but still no luck.

Gab, if I’d known, I would have advised you not to bother.

Safari is a joke. It’s the Sydney hezbollocks branch of web browsers…

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 6:56 pm
LOL Rabz. Oh, okay, I’ll uninstall, thanks.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 6:58 pm
Source: Hillary banned bullets at Benghazi mission.

Both she and Obama ought to be impeached.

C.L.

15 Sep 12 at 7:01 pm
Rabz, everyone understands what is going on here: a problem forced on the country by the extreme left, which controls the federal government. There will be a huge backlash; the government’s sycophants in the media and the bureaucracy will whitewash it. But it is yet another crisis that ordinary people feel they have lost control over and have no-one in authority remotely interested in fixing it. The retribution by voters will be savage, irreversible and terminal for this administration and all its hangers-on. The cumulative effect of everything that has been done to this country in the past five years is a far bigger national crisis than Whitlam.

Tom

15 Sep 12 at 7:02 pm
According to Hilary, a “robust security presence” is some local rent-a-cops armed with viciously sharpened slices of mango.

boy on a bike

15 Sep 12 at 7:10 pm
WTF?
Assange gets Aboriginal passport.

jumpnmcar

15 Sep 12 at 7:16 pm
The cumulative effect of everything that has been done to this country in the past five years is a far bigger national crisis than Whitlam.

Oh Tom, I hope you are right about the outcome we will see from all of this national disaster. That’s why people like Nikki Gemmell so upset me: a lot of ordinary and nice people think she is apolitical, pleasant, a good writer, says decent and worthwhile things etc. – but she is really just an excuse-maker for all of the troubles our country has been drawn into by this awful government. People may vote on her understanding of things – and that would be a great tragedy for this Nation – and there are many in the media just like her.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Sep 12 at 7:20 pm
I was eating dinner while watching QLD ABC News cover the Sydney riot, so I may have missed any vision of signs calling for beheading (or any signs for that matter) but I don’t think so. I certainly didn’t hear any Osama chant. Plenty of self-serving ‘interviews’ though.

When they aren’t making shit up, they self censor. It’s been business as usual for the ALPBC.

Steve of Ferny Hills

15 Sep 12 at 7:20 pm
Check the like/dislike votes on these photos of the protests.

I can see a head slowly shaking in sorrow Monday opinion piece about the racism of Australia…

DaveF

15 Sep 12 at 7:21 pm
Great tweet:

Anthony Leach @ahleach

It might take a few days but eventually law abiding, middle class Australia will get the blame for today’s disgraceful behaviour.

Token

15 Sep 12 at 7:30 pm
The rabble in Sydney are complicit in the murders in Libya.

blogstrop

15 Sep 12 at 7:30 pm
Token

I’ve downloaded Safari (for PC) but still no luck.

Same, I posted a certificate error the OT from Safari where it said the certificate for catallaxy.com is dodgy or a fake but it got swallowed by moderation.

Token

15 Sep 12 at 7:32 pm
The left have been amazing how offensive they are with their trolling #SydneyRiot.

This was especially odious and it looks like his real twitter account

Rhys Muldoon @rhysam

Cori Bernardi just found his porn channel. #sydneyriots

Is this guy still a Play School presenter? As the ABC love Catherine Devegny, they could get Rhys and Catherine to do a show to teach kids how to be offensive bogans.

Token

15 Sep 12 at 7:35 pm
I did send a reply:

@rhysam Catherine Devegny would be proud of this tweet. Are you still a Play School presenter? You can Catherine could do a show together.

Token

15 Sep 12 at 7:37 pm
Check the like/dislike votes on these photos of the protests.

Interesting how many SMH readers “like” it when the cops deploy dogs and capsicum spray.

boy on a bike

15 Sep 12 at 8:14 pm
In Melbourne they couldn’t even deploy horses with any effect. The whole idea of having police horses is to intimidate unruly crowds, not be teddy bears to be pushed back and set up on the shelf and look cute. What is the policing world coming to?
There used to be a saying “he went mad and the police shot him”, which remained true – at least in respect of the last part – until relatively recently. That was before the leftoid feminisation of the police by the last ALP Vic Govt. and Nixon, patron saint of hairdressers, bio writers, bi-cyclists, and restaurants.

blogstrop

15 Sep 12 at 8:27 pm
Gemmel should go back to writing about sex.

Just another yummy mummy dummy I’m afraid.

Viva

15 Sep 12 at 8:29 pm
Interesting how many SMH readers “like” it when the cops deploy dogs and capsicum spray.

Indeed. It looks like the votes aren’t following the editorial line.

However it must be noted the photo of the blokes praying didn’t get as hammered as others. Genuine tolerance. Its the angry young men shots that cop the dislikes.

As I mentioned the SMH will set things to right with a hand wringing “racist Aussies” op ed on Monday.

DaveF

15 Sep 12 at 8:39 pm
I’m so excited to see that the coming public executions of leftists are being advertised and celebrated by our muzzie brothers!

However, I must ask them to be patient. All in good time my felafel loving friends.

p.s. Be a real shame if a mischievous right wing arsehole propagated a rumour amongst the goat fuckers that Mardi Gras was going to feature displays of the prophet doing Allah knows what… but I would never do that.

Infidel Tiger

15 Sep 12 at 8:44 pm
Well said again by Michelle Malkin:

I know I’m not the only one who was flabbergasted by Obama’s bloodless Rose Garden appearance following the planned two-part 9/11/12 jihadi attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, which resulted in the deaths of four Americans, including U.S. ambassador Christopher Stevens.

Late as usual, the president ambled up to the podium 15 minutes behind schedule on Wednesday morning. Teleprompter-less, he spent most of his fleeting five-and-a-half-minute appearance with eyes downcast on his script.

…Detached, diffident, aloof, and resigned — America and the world saw a eulogizer-in-chief, not a commander-in-chief. It was as if something more important were occupying his mind at the time.

…Soon after, Obama scurried onto a plane to Las Vegas for a lovefest campaign rally with 8,000 fanboys and fangirls who cultishly screamed, “I lovve youuuuuu” — interrupting his cool POTUS flow momentarily as he dispensed with a line or two about the bloody disaster in the Middle East. Incurably self-absorbed, Obama lamented for a second or two that “we” had a “tough day.” And then he turned quickly back to the central business of getting himself reelected.

Token

15 Sep 12 at 8:54 pm
This whole idea of ‘respect’ – which is a code-word for ‘fear’ – is something we have to get away from.

- Salman Rushdie (interviewed on BBC Radio 4). Indeed. And not just in where the bullying religiose are concerned. Tolerance should not mean pretending to agree.

boy on a bike

15 Sep 12 at 9:17 pm
“This is not a case of protests directed at the United States writ large or at U.S. policy, but it is in response to a video that is offensive to Muslims.” — White House Press Secretary Jay Carney.

As the attacks were in fact planned before the video was released, this is obviously garbage. But it does suit the Left to claim it anyway because they want to ban free speech.

Fisky

15 Sep 12 at 9:23 pm
Go Beagles!

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 9:41 pm
Is that all it takes? Someone called Julian O’dea says Ann Bernhardt is a weirdo and nobody looks at the link?

Blogstrop

15 Sep 12 at 9:42 pm
After unsuccessfully adopting a strategy of smear against Campbell Newman in the Queensland election, Labor needs to be careful. So far, Ms Gillard’s personal past has been quarantined from public scrutiny. In the slush fund affair, her relationship with a married man was central. And another such relationship has crossed into her own frontbench ranks, blurring the professional and personal. Based on Labor’s public comments and private urgings this week, it could hardly complain if the opposition chose to explore these issues.

In a move that should please Candy, The Weekend Australian Editorial today let slip a veiled warning that the PM’s relationships with married men may not be off limits for much longer. Once the fallout from the latest Islamist riots blows over, perhaps we can expect some more detailed coverage.

In view of her past behaviour, it is obvious why the Red Queen doesn’t support Gay Marriage: she doesn’t respect the institution of marriage for anyone.

Cold-Hands

15 Sep 12 at 9:52 pm
she doesn’t respect the institution of marriage for anyone.

back in her student days, Gillard was very active within the AUS.

The AUS declared 1983 to be the International Year of the Lesbian.

It also adopted a policy on prostitution which said, in part: “Prostitution takes many forms and is not only the exchange of money for sex. … Prostitution in marriage is the transaction of sex in return for love, security and house-keeping.” (Quoted by Helen Trinca, The Australian, April 6, 1984, p.7).

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 9:59 pm
Blogstrop, people think Ann Barnhardt is a nutter because she’s a catholic convert who takes her faith very seriously. I love her, and one of the Fathers at my church thinks she’s entertaining – he’s never seen so much sustained indignation in his words.

She speaks from an unapologetically christian perspective, and that’s not the done thing in this day and age.

I think she’s great, and she speaks sense on quite a few things.

nilk

15 Sep 12 at 10:08 pm
Rabz:

The Eagles are looking a bit sick now. And frankly with my Swans facing the winner next week I’d prefer WC.

DaveF

15 Sep 12 at 10:11 pm
Bugger. The Pies got up.

DaveF

15 Sep 12 at 10:16 pm
Dave – it’s over. FFS, I hate the mcfuckwits…

Go those Mighty Swannies!

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 10:17 pm
Go da poies!

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 10:19 pm
Good ol’ mcfuckwitsville forevah,

No teeth, no brains, no money, lets steal some cars and bash some pooftees!

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 10:20 pm
Ann Barnhardt redefines the word feisty. Using bacon strips for bookmarks for her Koran-burning video shows a fine eye for detail. I admire her passion.

I see from her twitter-feeds that Bette Midler has called for Barnhardt’s arrest for Blasphemy and as an accessory to murder. Looks like the First Amendment is at greater threat now than ever before.

Cold-Hands

15 Sep 12 at 10:20 pm
Good ol’ mcfuckwitsville forevah,

No teeth, no brains, no money, lets steal some cars and bash some pooftees!

Salt o’ deurt

JamesK

15 Sep 12 at 10:23 pm
Guys,

If it’s any consolation, Kathy Shaidle described Ms Barnhardt as an American version of herself.

Quite frankly, I’m into Ann. “Feisty” doesn’t do her justice.

Incendiary is more fitting.

They know where she lives and they can’t touch her.

Great stuff.

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 10:27 pm
the worst experiences I’ve had at the SCG was with C’wank fans.

They truly are feral.

And forget it if you smoke. They come up to you every 5 secs to bludge one.

DaveF

15 Sep 12 at 10:28 pm
bette midler has called for Barnhardt’s arrest for Blasphemy and as an accessory to murder.

Good luck with that, you oogly, embittered ol’ cow!

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 10:31 pm
Sorry, Rabz, I’m rooting for Moronville from here. The Crows are the only mob left that aren’t completely disgusting. Longmire is just a poor copy of Roos, who set out to destroy the game by making it unwatchable. Thankfully the other Roos robot, Lyon, was knocked out last night. If the Morons knock over the poo and wees next week, it will be one of the greatest days in AFL history, a reprieve from the insufferably arrogant shirt-lifters who follow them. Sorry, Gab, you were gallant until the penultimate week, but I’m glad the hubris will finally exact its revenge next week on the car thieves.

Tom

15 Sep 12 at 10:40 pm
obongo sweatshirt slogans…

Warning: Iowahawk slogan may damage keyboards…

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 10:46 pm
For the uninitiated:
Moronville = Adelaide.
Longmire coaches Sydney.
Lyon coaches Fremantle.
Poor and wees = Hawthorn.
Car thieves = Collingwood.

Tom

15 Sep 12 at 10:48 pm
Longmire is just a poor copy of Roos, who set out to destroy the game by making it unwatchable.

Thanks for the reminder Tommy – or as we used to call it:

“That Negative Sydney Game”

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 10:49 pm
I said Barnhardt was a bit of a nut. I don’t like the way she abuses her own American Cardinals. Look up her website and see.

She is in a fight with the IRS as well as Muslims.

She would rather have a fight than a – feed.

Julian O'Dea

15 Sep 12 at 10:50 pm
Prostitution in marriage is the transaction of sex in return for love, security and house-keeping.”

I tink da Hairy Ape would be a bit upset to think that was all there was to it. I doubt he feels we are ‘transacting’ anything when making love together. I certainly don’t.

He’s been busily intent on the football, bless him, over in the other half of this big room, while I sit tapping away this end at the dining table.

What’s a dummy half? I say at one point when I hear it being mentioned by the commentator. Then sadly I repeat – I don’t even know what that means.

Then, reflectively, I ponder aloud – Do you think that’s a problem between us?

No, he replies, it’s not in the script. You don’t have to understand it. You just have to be very cute not understanding it.

So next break he comes over and kisses me, goes for a pee, comes back, says – I adore you – and settles happily back into his big chair that he positioned in the room exactly where he wanted it in front of the tele – no matter what any room designer says. I don’t mind. I’d prefer him to a perfect room any day.

No transaction there, I think to myself. He wouldn’t have a clue about any of that.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Sep 12 at 10:51 pm
“That Negative Sydney Game”

Originally attributed to, if I’m not incorrect, a certain Robert Walls Esquire…

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 10:52 pm
I was at Manuka Oval once and heard this exchange:

Collingwood supporter to Hawks supporter: Poofter!
Hawthorn supporter to Pies supporter: Loser!

I thought that summed it up nicely.

Julian O'Dea

15 Sep 12 at 10:54 pm
I don’t like the way she abuses her own American Cardinals.

Hmmm – you won’t be the only one, then.

She would rather have a fight

As I said, incendiary…

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 10:55 pm
Actually it was Rocket that introduced that effective strategy to the AFL.

Roos extended it but Longmire has moved away from it to an extent as it’s less effective.

Id prefer we didn’t play the ferals but I think we have half a chance against them. Their spirit and form really seems rocky. I dunno about Nathan Buckly as coach either.

Unfortunately that’s the only positives I can summon for next week…

Rocket = Rodney Eade

DaveF

15 Sep 12 at 10:56 pm
Souths win first final (not grand final) for 100 years.
Canberra try hard but fade away in second half.

Rafe

15 Sep 12 at 10:58 pm
no way. Souths won finals/grand finals forever

DaveF

15 Sep 12 at 11:01 pm
Wow

According to Dellers, one of my absolute favourite bloggers, Ben Pile @ Climate Resistance, has thrown down the gauntlet to one of UK Labour’s vile renewables shills !

Myrddin Seren

15 Sep 12 at 11:06 pm
Souths win first final (not grand final) for 100 years.

Err, thanks, Rafe, you poor ol’ bipad – evidently I’m watching a delayed telecast – the Rabbitohs are in front 20-10…

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 11:08 pm
Using bacon strips for bookmarks for her Koran-burning video shows a fine eye for detail

And adds a tangy BBQ aroma to the event. Perfect.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Sep 12 at 11:13 pm
Nobody please mention the Wallabies v Puma result- the Melbourne Free-to-Air telecast doesn’t start ’til midnight

Cold-Hands

15 Sep 12 at 11:14 pm
Ann Barnhardt with her pink rifle:

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2011/04/countermoonbat-10.html

Julian O'Dea

15 Sep 12 at 11:21 pm
You don’t have to understand it. You just have to be very cute not understanding it.

hahahaha. You’re such a trophy wife

Love your Tales of Da HIA.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 11:21 pm
MS: I dunno if it’ll go far. It’s a bit light for actionable and probably there is a public figure defence in there.

I’m very much a sceptic but I really hate how so much of the debate involved court/threats of court action.

The VA Attorney General and his politicised actions against Mann are a disaster IMO.

DaveF

15 Sep 12 at 11:21 pm
Nobody please mention the Wallabies v Puma result

Hands,

I don’t know the result, but if the wallybees don’t win, heads need to roll…

Rabz

15 Sep 12 at 11:21 pm
What tender little skins these British politicians appear to have, Myrddin. All the better to cook you in, my dears, I say. Agree – Ben Pile is admirable.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Sep 12 at 11:22 pm
Sorry, Gab

Not you’re not. But you will be next week.

Gab

15 Sep 12 at 11:23 pm
Aah Elizabeth (Lizzie), thought I was the only one who was annoyed and had a distaste for Gemmell’s syrupy writings. Well, actually only read her first two columns, then flicked over the page, not before I sent her my opinion, like most women, we need to have the last word.
Also after last weekend’s Australian Magazine, was nearly going to send a sharp letter to the editor in relation to the article on Greens leader Milne. After seeing her on front page of the Australian and then in the magazine, thought the whole thing too much.
Anyway late at night last glass of vino, but good to see a kindred soul, at least in relation to the syrupy Gemmell. Thanks Elizabeth.

delfino

15 Sep 12 at 11:25 pm
Yep, Dellers and Ben Pile are on fire. At least there is a bit of decent discussion going on (finally) in the UK. Here, we still have the Neros of the tottering Fairfax empire (Ben Cubby, take a bow) telling their shrinking pool of readers that the misnamed ‘renewable’ energy industry is a brave little David against the satanic Goliath of cheap and reliable energy.

South Australia, deeply committed to windmills, has reached the world tables in expensive energy. Fuckwit O’Farrell doesn’t have the guts to tell them to piss off. Tony Abbott wants to waste $10bn on giving money to people who will lose the lot, and lobby against him every chance they get.

Here we are, sitting on massive deposits of coal and uranium, and our political leaders seem to be outbidding each other to see who can make energy more expensive.

When (not if) the West is overtaken by China, India and even Indonesia, the Gaia-worshippers should be front and centre to take the blame.

johanna

15 Sep 12 at 11:30 pm
I’m very much a sceptic but I really hate how so much of the debate involved court/threats of court action.

On the contrary, the problem with the debate is that there have not been enough court cases.

Tom

15 Sep 12 at 11:30 pm
On the contrary, the problem with the debate is that there have not been enough court cases.

The problem with this is that the Judiciary is riddled with anti-scientific f*ckwits who accept arguments “from authority” from the warmistas and discount actual data. This explains why the action in NZ went down.

Cold-Hands

15 Sep 12 at 11:41 pm
Just read this from Matt Ridley. Seems we should all go and kiss a pig’s bum and eat some dirt.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

15 Sep 12 at 11:53 pm
Steve from FH. The chant was on the channel ten news at 5 pm. That it wasn’t shown on the ALPBC news is entirely unremarkable and expected. The grubs should be deported and the ABC privatised

Tiny Dancer

15 Sep 12 at 11:54 pm
Who would be brave enough to fly into the Middle East right now and demand religious freedom for all?

C.L.

16 Sep 12 at 12:14 am
That is one powerful article. Cuts like a hot knife through monty.

I know you were only joking db, but that sort of comment should be off limits even on here. Do it against the PM and you’d get a visit from Plod, Deveny style. Don’t stoop to her level.

m0nty

16 Sep 12 at 12:26 am
—apologies to the Four Tops and “I’ll Be There”

Now if you feel like things can’t go on
‘Cause the “hope” and the “change” are all gone
And the promise of a future has faded
‘Cause we’re in debt and our credit’s downgraded
And the world is erupting in flames
Voters, reach out
Reach out to me
I’ll be there
Hitting balls out all across the links
I’ll be there
Playing the race card with some nods and winks

Now if the whole Muslim world is explodin’
‘Cause I endlessly spiked the ball ’bout bin Laden
And folks were murdered serving in our embassy
‘Cause I stinted upon their security
And the carnage gets ever more ghastly
Voters, reach out
Reach out to me
I’ll be there
At fundraisers for thousands a plate
I’ll be there
Abandoning you all to your fate

I can tell by reading polls from Rasmussen
That my performance in office you’re discussin’
But you’d all best remember your places;
If you don’t vote for me you’re a racist
I know what you’re thinking
You bought my line, but you’ve been boned
Voters, reach out
Reach out to me
I’ll be there
Living high on the public dime
I’ll be there
Yes, I want to do it one more time
I’ll be there
Living high on the public dime
I’ll be there
Yes, I want to do it one more time
I’ll be there
Living high on the public dime
I’ll be there
Yes, I want to do it one more time…

(fade out)

Gab

16 Sep 12 at 12:42 am
“I don’t know the result, but if the wallybees don’t win, heads need to roll.”

I was there Rabz, watching from end on which is where I go if I’m studying tactics, organisation and defences.

The Wannabees were were simply terrible – leaderless, unaccustomed to being stopped dead in their tracks by two tacklers – one around the shins and the other locking up the ball, turning the ball back inside to make it even easier for the Argies’ sliding defence – then doing the same thing again and again about 13 or 43 times just to check if the tacklers were still on the job … aaaaarghh!

Cooper, Beale and Ione led the scoring in the pretender awards, Adam Two-Fathers too. These blokes draw big fees under false pretences. Cannot catch, cannot bowl.

Deanes is not to blame, the self important, feeble, incompetent players are.

Do not believe any ARU cheer squad rugby journos’ take on it – they were dead set lucky to get away with a win.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

16 Sep 12 at 12:53 am
I know you were only joking db, but that sort of comment should be off limits even on here.

You understood I was using “monty” as a euphemism for butter? Honestly.

dover_beach

16 Sep 12 at 12:59 am
A dismal performance by the Men in Gold. No fluency, careless errors abounded plus a lack of commitment. One bright spark was that the forward pack outpointed the Puma scrum but on this showing, the away matches are a bridge too far.

Cold-Hands

16 Sep 12 at 1:53 am
You understood I was using “monty” as a euphemism for butter? Honestly.

There’s a Southern euphemism for disbelief that goes,
“Well butter my butt and call me biscuit – I did not know that.”

Just thought I’d throw that out there.

sdog

16 Sep 12 at 2:59 am
BTW, if Jacques is lurking about somewhere, the comments feed for this blog is working perfectly again, for me at least. Cheers.

sdog

16 Sep 12 at 3:00 am
I remember Nikki Gemmell as a JJJ presenter. She was a complete airhead. It amazes me that she possesses the literary ability to write an article, as she could barely string two sentences together without sounding like a bloody fucking moron.

Oh come on

16 Sep 12 at 4:46 am
So much for the land of the free.

30-signs-that-the-united-states-of-america-is-being-turned-into-a-giant-prison

Some scary stuff in that lot.

CraigS

16 Sep 12 at 5:48 am
I know you were only joking db, but that sort of comment should be off limits even on here. Do it against the PM and you’d get a visit from Plod, Deveny style. Don’t stoop to her level.

What the fuck? You’re doing your best to sound like another of this site’s paranoid simpletons, Monster. Steyn’s piece on the Odumbo administration’s selling out of American interests in the past week was devastating. You’re not jealous you weren’t given his gifts, are you?

Tom

16 Sep 12 at 6:16 am
Ann Barhardt’s accessorising the pink rifle and matching shoes is right up there with Palin’s bearskin sofa for getting up the noses of leftist pantywaists.

Blogstrop

16 Sep 12 at 6:18 am
I also await C.L.’s input on American cardinals.

Blogstrop

16 Sep 12 at 6:25 am
So much for the land of the free.

Craig, I share some of those concerns. However, if it’s a choice between conspiracy and stuffup, always back stuffup:

Passenger screening lanes at US airports are increasing at a rate of about 4.5%-5% annually, he noted. The growth in checkpoint lanes comes even as US passenger traffic has stagnated.

“We just can’t keep expanding the checkpoint lanes,” Bianchini said. “There just isn’t the space available at airports … We understand that real estate is limited.”

The creation of the Transportation Security Administration in 2001 was a recipe for bureaucratic disaster where a generous budget met an almost complete lack of accountability. The assumption was that the bureaucracy could do whatever it liked with public support. As a result there has been one scandal after another about issues such as privacy. Eleven years later, Americans are realising they have created a monster.

Meanwhile, without any sort of constitutional safeguards, Australia’s tinpot democracy thinks it can do whatever the Americans do; we went ahead and installed body scanners even after they they failed trials in Germany.

The TSA, meanwhile, is “out of control”, according to security experts.

Tom

16 Sep 12 at 7:01 am
So much for the land of the free.

Craig, I share some of those concerns. However, if it’s a choice between conspiracy and stuffup, always back stuffup:

Passenger screening lanes at US airports are increasing at a rate of about 4.5%-5% annually, he noted. The growth in checkpoint lanes comes even as US passenger traffic has stagnated.

“We just can’t keep expanding the checkpoint lanes,” Bianchini said. “There just isn’t the space available at airports … We understand that real estate is limited.”

Tom

16 Sep 12 at 7:09 am
The creation of the Transportation Security Administration in 2001 was a recipe for bureaucratic disaster where a generous budget met an almost complete lack of accountability. The assumption was that the bureaucracy could do whatever it liked with public support. As a result there has been one scandal after another about issues such as privacy. Eleven years later, Americans are realising they have created a monster.

Meanwhile, without any sort of constitutional safeguards, Australia’s tinpot democracy thinks it can do whatever the Americans do; we went ahead and installed body scanners even after they they failed trials in Germany.

The TSA, meanwhile, is “out of control”, according to security experts.

Tom

16 Sep 12 at 7:11 am
In the next fortnight we’ll find out exactly how irresponsible and incompetent this rabble of a government in Canberra is with the publication of the 2011-12 Final Budget Outcome. Piers Akerman:

Just immediately before the 2010 election Labor told the Australian people the 2011-12 deficit would be $10 billion. By May, 2011, they admitted that forecast had blown out to $22.6 billion; by November, 2011, they said the blowout had reached $37.1 billion; but four months ago, in May, they said it would actually be $44.4 billion.

The question for Labor is simple. Did you manage to keep within even this massively inflated deficit forecast _ your fourth massive deficit out of four so far, for an astonishing cumulative total deficit of $174 billion?

The betting is no, because of hits to Treasury’s forecast commodity prices and only nominal income growth since the Budget was delivered.

Tom

16 Sep 12 at 8:13 am
Tom @ 0813,

And the MSM will offer NO CRITICISM as per usual.

Mike of Marion

16 Sep 12 at 8:16 am
And the MSM will offer NO CRITICISM as per usual.

They are more likely to praise Labor’s great performance in a hostile global economy and play up the fact that they have managed to keep the deficit under $50bill. And never mentioning the massive borrowing that’s going on either.

Megan

16 Sep 12 at 8:27 am
It is time to discuss the size of government in Australia, based on the world as it is, not as we would like it to be. That public sector spending, at present about 36 per cent of GDP, is low by international standards reflects more on the profligacy of others than our own fiscal virtue. Soaring revenues over the past decade have been swallowed by state governments, raising expectations and recurrent spending to unsustainable levels. Queensland’s debt-to-revenue ratio soared from 12 per cent in 2004-05 to 104 per cent in 2011-12. The NSW budget deficit will exceed $800m.

This editorial from The Australian gives a different picture to what I’ve been hearing form ABC apologists, that QLD has no budgetary problems. But that suits their brief, which is to attack all conservative governments as uncaring beasts who cut expenditure.

blogstrop

16 Sep 12 at 8:34 am
However, if it’s a choice between conspiracy and stuffup, always back stuffup:

I agree, and that’s the only reason they bring more and more of these control etc in to try and avoid stuff ups but as we know…

..common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
Douglas Adams

CraigS

16 Sep 12 at 8:58 am
Insiders has gone full retard with Karen Middleton from the SBS tax-eaters, Phabulous Phil Coorey and George Mongoloid Genius on the couch. But first Tanya Plibersek gets the luvie treatment.

Tom

16 Sep 12 at 9:18 am
Plibersek explains the moral equivalence between 19-year-old AbbottAbbottAbbott’s student days and Gillard’s professional misconduct at Slater and Gordon. And, of course, there’s noooo Labor dirt unit. Labor MPs just made that up.

Tom

16 Sep 12 at 9:23 am
Insiders – turned it off – don’t need that crap

Mike of Marion

16 Sep 12 at 9:24 am
This conference is taking place in Sydney today, 16 September, 2012

Michael Smith

Rudiau

16 Sep 12 at 9:32 am
Blaming the video is beside the point, even more so in relation to the assassination of the US Ambassador in Libya:

AL-Qaeda said the deadly attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, Libya was in revenge for the killing of the network’s number two Sheikh Abu Yahya al-Libi, SITE Intelligence Group reported.

“The killing of Sheikh Abu Yahya only increased the enthusiasm and determination of the sons of (Libyan independence hero) Omar al-Mokhtar to take revenge upon those who attack our Prophet,” said al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula said in a statement, quoted by the US-based monitoring group.

Al-Qaida’s Yemen-based offshoot did not claim direct responsibility for Tuesday’s attack on the US consulate in Benghazi that killed the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, and three other Americans.

Rudiau

16 Sep 12 at 9:38 am
Bawwie attempts to smear Greg Sheridan over his attack on the ABC in the Marius Benson interview over its coverage of Abbott’s student days: Sheridan was “far too attached” to the story, according to Bawwie. Fuck me. These hypocrites ar shameless.

Tom

16 Sep 12 at 9:53 am
Just immediately before the 2010 election Labor told the Australian people the 2011-12 deficit would be $10 billion. By May, 2011, they admitted that forecast had blown out to $22.6 billion; by November, 2011, they said the blowout had reached $37.1 billion; but four months ago, in May, they said it would actually be $44.4 billion.

Staggering, criminal incompetence.

Jail the bastards.

Rabz

16 Sep 12 at 9:58 am
Jeez, I haven’t seen a more egregiously repugnantly condescending display from George Imamegagenius this morning.

JamesK

16 Sep 12 at 10:00 am
I loved Greg Sheridan getting stuck into the ABC. I pretty much share Tony Abbott’s social views, and his religion, and I think it is high time someone spoke bluntly. It was a brilliant performance by Sheridan. Benson has verbal fencing skills but Sheridan won that exchange.

Finally someone has said it.

Julian O'Dea

16 Sep 12 at 10:16 am
A lot of Nike runners too.

Yeah, funny how a lot of what the West provides is acceptable and desirable.

pink rifle

love the pink camo on the magazine, should come in handy in a barbie doll shop or amongst the clothes on the line of a family who has little girls. Even so, you cannot deny she’s hunting bear.

Helen Armstrong

16 Sep 12 at 10:39 am
Yesterday I protested myself.

I had a non-violent protest with my Mother at Paddington Max Brenner.

Then when I arrived back in Queensland I had a non-violent protest with the rest of my family at Robina Max Brenner.

I think I’m addicted to Max Brenner.

I will need to protest more.

Maybe it wasn’t a protest. Perhaps I was just raising awareness?

kae

16 Sep 12 at 10:49 am
You understood I was using “monty” as a euphemism for butter? Honestly.

I know. Not something worth joking about though.

m0nty

16 Sep 12 at 11:01 am
Jeez, I haven’t seen a more egregiously repugnantly condescending display from George Imamegagenius this morning.

Yes I won’t tell you what I said when George stated that people that talk about sovereign risk are “making it up”.

But I pretty sure it did have words starting with F,D,S,A and maybe even C in it.

CraigS

16 Sep 12 at 11:07 am
Benson has verbal fencing skills but Sheridan won that exchange.

That’s not how the lefties saw it. They think that Sheridan flipped out and had a tantrum. They thought it was funny. They were like, ha ha look at the crazy conservative. They were unable to engage with what he said of course.

Dangph

16 Sep 12 at 11:17 am
Dangph, maybe. But I thought Benson ended up sounding like an idiot. I imagine he will not remember the encounter fondly.

Julian O'Dea

16 Sep 12 at 11:23 am
Sheridan “spoke truth to power”.

Julian O'Dea

16 Sep 12 at 11:24 am
Ann Barhardt’s accessorising the pink rifle and matching shoes is right up there with Palin’s bearskin sofa for getting up the noses of leftist pantywaists.

Pink guns are a thing.

You go, girlz.

sdog

16 Sep 12 at 12:57 pm
BTW, if Jacques is lurking about somewhere, the comments feed for this blog is working perfectly again, for me at least. Cheers.

For me to, Spot, that is until five minutes ago, Now it’s not refreshing at all.

Gab

16 Sep 12 at 12:57 pm
For me to, Spot, that is until five minutes ago, Now it’s not refreshing at all.

I just noticed that as well. Now, the most recent comment in the RSS is Julian O’Dea on the Insiders thread. Bah. Spoke too soon.

sdog

16 Sep 12 at 1:01 pm
We probably need some cat videos while we’re waiting for the blog to right itself again.

sdog

16 Sep 12 at 1:05 pm
The last comment on the RSS, for me, is Julie Novak’s @12.35pm. And for the ‘recent comments’ it’s mine @12.39pm. It was all going along so smoothly and then not. *sigh*

Gab

16 Sep 12 at 1:14 pm
Excellent cat video, Spot. Hilarious in fact.

Gab

16 Sep 12 at 1:19 pm
I see from her twitter-feeds that Bette Midler has called for Barnhardt’s arrest for Blasphemy and as an accessory to murder.

Midler should be arrested for crimes against humanity courtesy of Beaches.

Barnhardt’s talk on islamic sexuality is something to behold, also.

nilk

16 Sep 12 at 1:21 pm
Quite frankly, I’m into Ann. “Feisty” doesn’t do her justice.

Rabz you’re talking about the woman who occasionally posts some of the hatemail she receives on her blog with her own commentary.

I love the one where she was asked what she used for contraception (any sort of contraception generally being against Catholic teachings) and her reply was a succinct “Virginity.”

LOL How can you not love that? I wich I had half her spunk.

nilk

16 Sep 12 at 1:24 pm
And now I get:

This Connection is Untrusted

You have asked Firefox to connect
securely to catallaxyfilescom, but we can’t confirm that your connection is secure.
Normally, when you try to connect securely,
sites will present trusted identification to prove that you are going to the right place. However, this site’s identity can’t be verified.

What’s that all about?..

Gab

16 Sep 12 at 1:29 pm
Clint Eastwood On RNC Speech: Message Was Simple — Don’t Idolize Politicians, They Work For You

Speaking with CNN in his first televised interview since his much talked about RNC speech, Clint Eastwood was asked what sort of feedback he received after his “empty chair routine.”….

When asked if he regretted his speech, Eastwood shook his head. Then, when told that Mitt Romney had enjoyed the speech, Eastwood shared that the GOP nominee has a much better sense of humor than he’s often given credit for.

JamesK

16 Sep 12 at 1:45 pm
Talking about medieval religions and shit, anyone watched Game of Thrones, an HBO series. I’m on the first one and it’s pretty good. The sex is soft core and for some reason all the scenes are to with rear mounted sex…. I don’t get that obsession though. Does anyone understand the significance. (no feminist bullshit please)

JC

16 Sep 12 at 1:49 pm
Julia Gillard seeks to exploit Campbell Newman job cuts, in speech to the ALP state conference

JULIA Gillard has returned to the public spotlight to tell Queensland Labor members the party now has a policy platform worth fighting for.

Addressing the Queensland ALP state conference, almost six months after the defeat of the Bligh government, the Prime Minister used the backlash against the Liberal National Party government to distinguish her party from the conservatives.

Good platform to run on… don’t fire public servants. lol.

JC

16 Sep 12 at 1:55 pm
Gab,
Is your computers time and date correct, if yes try the following.
Start Firefox in Troubleshoot Firefox issues using Safe Mode via menu >Help|Restart FF with addons disabled.

Rudiau

16 Sep 12 at 1:56 pm
Thanks, Rudiau. The Cat seems to be working fine now but I’ll bookmark your comment and try it next time there are problems with refreshing.

Gab

16 Sep 12 at 2:14 pm
Gab. Sorry couldn’t wait for a reply, gotta duck out.
If that didn’t work try this.
When you see “This connection is untrusted”, click on “I Understand The Risks” and click on “Add Exception” button.
Once you click on the “Add Exception” button, a pop up window will appear, Click on “Get Certificate” button and then click on “Confirm Security Exception” button.
Also tick the “Permanently store this certificate” to avoid this screen again.

Rudiau

16 Sep 12 at 2:14 pm
Thanks, will do, Rudiau

Gab

16 Sep 12 at 2:15 pm
schnaps…cheers.:)

Rudiau

16 Sep 12 at 2:16 pm
“JULIA Gillard has returned to the public spotlight to tell Queensland Labor members …”

The more Comrade Bogan Broadasks appears in QLD, especially on the TV News at the end of a cruisy local Sunday, for all the relaxed people to be reminded she’s still there to be belted, the happier I am.

She – sorry, that’s sexist – it is all but universally reviled up here.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

16 Sep 12 at 2:18 pm
Does anyone understand the significance. (no feminist bullshit please)

It changes to woman on top (rather than missionary) and he falls in love with her JC.

I saw all the series so far.

It’s terrific.

Particularly the dwarf who is first class.

JamesK

16 Sep 12 at 2:19 pm
Bawwie attempts to smear Greg Sheridan over his attack on the ABC in the Marius Benson interview over its coverage of Abbott’s student days: Sheridan was “far too attached” to the story, according to Bawwie.

Though his moral relativity sometimes he makes me want to scratch out my own eyes, M0nty is worth having as he gives us a window into the empty lefty soul of the Stenographers.

Token

16 Sep 12 at 2:37 pm
On the trawler debacle, ABC Online characterises it thus:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-15/fisheries-breached-act-on-super-trawler-quota/4263172

Breached the Act? It turns out that one person attended a meeting he probably shouldn’t have, in a seven-year, hundreds of meetings, process. Perhaps this person had Voldemort-like powers to change everyone’s minds?

Your ABC. Your taxes at work.

johanna

16 Sep 12 at 2:43 pm
Your ABC. Your taxes at work.

They are a curse on society. The ABC buildings in each capital city need to be emptied out, burned to the ground and the earth salted.

Maybe that will break the hex.

Token

16 Sep 12 at 2:44 pm
The best show on TV at the moment is Boss. The combination of Chicago machine politics and lesbian hookers has always been a winner.

Infidel Tiger

16 Sep 12 at 2:46 pm
It’s terrific.

Particularly the dwarf who is first class

Yea, the dwarf is really good value. We’ve had lots of experiences with poison dwarfs here at the Cat and that perhaps clouded my/our judgement about them. However he’s ballasted prior misgivings I ever had.

JC

16 Sep 12 at 3:09 pm
It changes to woman on top (rather than missionary) and he falls in love with her JC.

Oh Okay. I’m not just talking about the Blond though. Watch the whorehouse scenes and it’s all rear entry stuff. Even the Queen was copping it from behind by her brother. I think the writer must be obsessed with that sexual position or something.

JC

16 Sep 12 at 3:11 pm
I think the writer must be obsessed with that sexual position or something.

It’s a shame that the series was written by an extreme leftist – George whatevah – who is distinguished in that he’s possibly as handsome as m0nty.

JamesK

16 Sep 12 at 3:16 pm
Operation repo, hoarders and swamp people are my tops presently.

Pickles

16 Sep 12 at 3:18 pm
I think that the quotas would have been set by fisheries biologists. It can be quite technical and require mathematical modelling. Having the fisheries operator present was still not a good idea.

Julian O'Dea

16 Sep 12 at 3:21 pm
Respecting religion in Lebanon.

nilk

16 Sep 12 at 3:31 pm
Islam sure looks like the religion of the anti-Christ.

Gab

16 Sep 12 at 3:38 pm
It’s a shame that the series was written by an extreme leftist – George whatevah – who is distinguished in that he’s possibly as handsome as m0nty.

Is this him? Boy, Monst and him look like they were separated at birth.

Both of them ought to front page GQ.

JC

16 Sep 12 at 3:39 pm
Potemkin’s Village

Word Association Football… here

Grigory Potemkin

16 Sep 12 at 3:42 pm
Is this him? Boy, Monst and him look like they were separated at birth.

Both of them ought to front page GQ.

That’s him but that photo doesn’t do him justice.

This one makes me think that m0nty may not be quite as attractive as George

JamesK

16 Sep 12 at 4:01 pm
Michael Smith articulates exactly what a leader of this country should say following the Sydney riots.

Rudiau

16 Sep 12 at 6:15 pm
Halfway through the 3rd book in the Game of Thrones series now – but it’s a bit off-putting. In a normal fantasy story, there will be one or two not-quite-main characters die as part of a great sacrifice close to the end – here there is a sense they’re all going to die and the only question is when, and how horribly. It’s disturbing – I’ve had to put it down for a while to recover…

Tim

16 Sep 12 at 6:56 pm
Female Mutant Ninja Iranians! Iranian Mullahs deploying a lethal combination of Rule 5 and martial arts! Fortunately there is a response to this…

Girl in third pic is mine… mine I tells ya.

Rudiau

16 Sep 12 at 6:57 pm
Tim, Storm of Swords is my favourite book of the series so far. Have you reached the wedding yet? I’m guessing you have considering your shock and awe. Ah, what a brilliant chapter. Wait till you get to the end of A Dance with Dragons. My favourite character is struck down; but does he die? We shall have to wait til Book 6. Martin, you are a cunning bastard.

dover_beach

16 Sep 12 at 7:12 pm
Yes, DB – the wedding chapter is where I stopped for a break. (Also an exam to study for, but that’s just an excuse.)

Tim

16 Sep 12 at 7:35 pm
Why are firefox and Microtheft showing different comments at the same time?

JC

16 Sep 12 at 7:54 pm
Why are firefox and Microtheft showing different comments at the same time?

And Safari shows different as well.

Gab

16 Sep 12 at 7:58 pm
Firefox being an Open-Source browser only shows true libertarian and centre-right comments.
Microtheft and Safari, (being closed to new ideas} on the other hand align themselves more with the leftist comment.
——————————————————–

Seriously , all i can think of is flush cookies and cache.

Rudiau

16 Sep 12 at 8:19 pm
Flush cookies and cache regularly.

Rudiau

16 Sep 12 at 8:21 pm
Why are firefox and Microtheft showing different comments at the same time?

I reckon they need to turn off caching. We are being served up stale pages.

Dangph

16 Sep 12 at 8:26 pm
“They” being Jacques.

Dangph

16 Sep 12 at 8:27 pm
Potemkin’s Village

I tried to watch “The Bolt Report” on YouTube today and got this instead… here

Grigory Potemkin

16 Sep 12 at 8:32 pm
What the fuck is wrong with you lot?
Doesn’t anyone play Civilisation 2 anymore?

Bob Sewell

16 Sep 12 at 8:38 pm
Very slow loading again today. And now the name/email boxes don’t retain the details again. *sigh*

Gab

16 Sep 12 at 8:51 pm
Doesn’t anyone play Civilisation 2 anymore?

Does that even run on Windows 7? (BTW, ‘Medieval Man’ is currently using a Windows 8 Release Preview and is finding it rather good)

dover_beach

16 Sep 12 at 9:12 pm
Gab,
Do you need help?

Rudiau

16 Sep 12 at 9:15 pm
It’s very slow to load, I don’t know how you can fix that, Rudiau. I have no problem with other sites. In fact I had no problems with this site before the last two moves. Still finding the comments rss doesn’t always refresh, same for the recent comments. Very frustrating is all.

Gab

16 Sep 12 at 9:19 pm
But thanks for asking, Rudiau

Gab

16 Sep 12 at 9:22 pm
Did you click through to see the lady with the pink rifle?

Mama mia!

boy on a bike

16 Sep 12 at 9:30 pm
Bob

Re Civ 2.

Merely addicted. Awesome piece of software in a small package.

Dover

Some geniuses have worked out how to make it run on Windows 7, but you need the Multiplayer Gold version. Pretty sure I tracked down the patch on one of the Whirlpool forums ( much to my Better Half’s deep regret ).

Back to the Empire !

Myrddin Seren

16 Sep 12 at 9:52 pm
Test

Rudiau

16 Sep 12 at 10:16 pm
We’ll use Newman against Abbott : PM

We’ll use Abbott against Gillard: Rudd

Splatacrobat

16 Sep 12 at 10:40 pm
Shanahan at the OZ now claiming that Newspoll has ALP-LNP on 50-50 2PP..

Lazlo

16 Sep 12 at 11:13 pm
We’ve now got the pinnacle of independence verifying “punchgate”: Bruce Hawker.

LABOR strategist Bruce Hawker says the woman who’s accused Tony Abbott of landing punches “inches” from her face at university told him about the incident “years ago”.

This is becoming a parody.

And wait, wait, wait…I thought that Ramjan was an untainted politically independent operator? Now we find out that it just so happens that not only is she an ALP appointee but that she’s also mates with Bruce Hawker.

Well done fuckwit MSM, well done.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbott-uni-story-isnt-new-says-alp-strategist-bruce-hawker/story-fn59niix-1226475051153

twostix

16 Sep 12 at 11:26 pm
Shanahan at the OZ now claiming that Newspoll has ALP-LNP on 50-50 2PP..

Something is seriously crook with Newspoll.

Infidel Tiger

16 Sep 12 at 11:27 pm
We’ll use Newman :against Abbott

Yeah what a brilliant idea. Try and compare Abbott to the guy who won a crushing defeat 6 months ago and remains a very popular premier.

Look at the union prtoests in Brisbane – they couldn’t even muster a decent crowd in QPS central on a weekday.

Most of the staff facing the chop are too busy trying to line up for the redundancy packagesv- there is 800 million up for grabs after all.

springborg approved a pay rise for nurses and finally sorted out the pay debacle.

The entire thing about people being upset about sackings is just a dog and pony show. If the polls were that bad for newman they would be in the papers every day. I fully expect to see Newman and Abbott campaigning together. What are the ALP going to do, go round shopping centre with Gillard and Bligh?

brc

16 Sep 12 at 11:32 pm
Shanahan at the OZ now claiming that Newspoll has ALP-LNP on 50-50 2PP..

Lol all last week Swan was acting PM and Gillard was totally absent.

Poor Gillard, is really must hurt her feelings.

I’m calling yet another Yeti sighting…

twostix

16 Sep 12 at 11:38 pm
A 5 point turnaround in two weeks when the last poll I saw on Monday had the same old 55/45 split that has been in place for a year? And since when does Newspoll get released on a Sunday night?

I’m not buying it. I’ve never seen a jump of that magnitude. Over what? University stories?

Something very screwy is going on with Newspoll. One poll that jumps that far, that quick, with the other polling not showing the same, just isn’t right.

brc

16 Sep 12 at 11:38 pm
Shanahan at the OZ now claiming that Newspoll has ALP-LNP on 50-50 2PP..

Something is seriously crook with Newspoll.

The Aus seem to have pulled the story.

A genuine yeti sighting.

twostix

16 Sep 12 at 11:41 pm
The entire thing about people being upset about sackings is just a dog and pony show. If the polls were that bad for newman they would be in the papers every day. I fully expect to see Newman and Abbott campaigning together. What are the ALP going to do, go round shopping centre with Gillard and Bligh?

Galaxy – the pro labor “get the libs” “goto” pollster have Newmans popularity at “just” 48%, down from 56%. 48% being “only” an 18 point lead above the ALP.

Those numbers from that poll are the basis for the “hugely unpopular” meme…Newmann 18 points ahead “hugely unpopular”, Gillard 10 points behind? All systems go.

twostix

16 Sep 12 at 11:47 pm
The Aus seem to have pulled the story.

it’s still their from my view.

Gab

16 Sep 12 at 11:51 pm
I’ve got a capture of the page for when the journos want to push it down the memory hole…

Lazlo

16 Sep 12 at 11:55 pm
it’s still their from my view.

Ah yes there it is, wtf it was missing 10 mins ago.

I wouldn’t put it up if I was them, but then I suppose they have no shame.

Essential and galaxy will come out 55/45 and they won’t report it.

twostix

16 Sep 12 at 11:56 pm
If the poll is right then the ragheads are welcome to this shithole.

Infidel Tiger

16 Sep 12 at 11:59 pm
>If the poll is right

The poll is not right.

brc

17 Sep 12 at 12:07 am
Funny how there’s a Newspoll gift for Jools whenever Rudd pops up sniiffing the breeze.

Infidel Tiger

17 Sep 12 at 12:13 am
What encouraging news re Newspoll.

Don’t panic boys and girls. Oh alright, go ahead and panic. It’ll be in line with the other thread here where a hot head protest in Sydney, rightly condemned by all sides of politics, and resulting in legitimate arrests, is being treated like the end of Australia as we know it.

People, if you really want to annoy conservative Muslims, and convince them we do not share their standards, it is your duty to re-elect as Prime Minister a woman who lives with her boyfriend. That will show them how they have to adjust to Australian live and let live values.

Heh.

Steve from Brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 12:18 am
You’re going to be even more insufferable than usual, aren’t you SFB.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 12:21 am
Nielsen is out as well. Check @GhostWhoVotes.

sdog

17 Sep 12 at 12:31 am
COUNTER-terrorism experts and police across Australia have been placed on high alert for expected retaliatory attacks after the violent Islamic protest that rocked Sydney.

In Melbourne they wouldn’t even step in and stop an illegal union blockade, as if they’re going to do anything to stop Islamic riots in Melbourne. Pfft.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/police-on-red-alert-to-stop-riots-spreading-to-melbourne/story-e6frf7kx-1226475220467

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 12:32 am
Not really Gab. It may be bad news for me, SteveC and mOnty, as Sussex street might consider cutting back our remuneration.

Steve from Brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 12:32 am
Your future speaking, Australia.

AS Julia Gillard struggled to explain how Muslim children could be used to incite violence, eight-year-old Ruqaya yesterday fronted a congress of Islamic fundamendalists in Sydney to espouse her love for jihad. Addressing a 600-strong crowd at the Australian chapter of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Bankstown in the city’s west, the young girl urged all Muslim youth to fight for the restoration of the Islamic caliphate, a single global government for all Muslims established under strict sharia law.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/girl-8-calls-on-islamic-youth-to-back-jihad/story-e6frg6nf-1226475239074

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 12:34 am
The Neilsen poll is also showing up better for the Liars Party. Them’s are the breaks.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 12:38 am
your duty to re-elect as Prime Minister a woman who lives with her boyfriend

You really don’t want to know what the Muslims think of gillard. You think us calling her the factually correct Lying Slapper is bad….

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 12:39 am
Slutty women like Julia Gillard and openly gay men and women like Bob Brown and Penny Wong will be the first up against the wall if the Islamists get their way.

It’s the frog and the scorpion. The Islamists are just using the Left to get where they want to be, and then all “alliances” will be off.

sdog

17 Sep 12 at 12:48 am
….and, since I’m getting fed up with the Cat feeding me old caches and refusing to update, I’m calling it a day. Hope it recovers soon.

sdog

17 Sep 12 at 12:58 am
What are the ALP going to do, go round shopping centre with Gillard and Bligh?

LOL.

No, it will be Gillard and Rudd, displaying harmonious team work. Hahaha

Keith

17 Sep 12 at 7:02 am
John McTernan is instructing his bitchbot to say outrageous shit like this:

Ms Gillard said that at next year’s election Australians would have a clear choice. ”Do you want a high-wage, high-skill, high-value-add society where everyone gets a chance? Or a race to the bottom, cutting wages, cutting conditions, everyone going backwards, the weakest scrambling for $2 a day?”

And Newspoll is telling me Australians are undecided about whether to vote for three more years of reckless financial mismanagement or electing some adults. If this is true, I may have to revise my understanding of the human race.

Tom

17 Sep 12 at 7:04 am
Greg sheridan has a go in The Australian, but as is often the case in the diplomacy ridden atmosphere of multi culti politics makes too much of the “sacred” value of non discriminatory immigration. A bit more discrimination is essential.
He does make a good point though, in saying that if moslems don’t want to all be tarred with the one brush as violent extremists they might cease tarring all the west, or in the latest case all the USA, with the responsibility for the stupid excuse for violence – that film. But it’s only a debating point.
There is also too much pussy footing around the awful truth that the types in that riot are not reformable. Their numbers will not shrink just because some spokesperson says they condemn such behaviour blah blah blah.
The catsmeat sheik got where he was despite his extremist views, and was only sidelined due to over reach and a lot of bad publicity during a period of rapes and civil unrest. Probably nobody in the moslem hierarchy will take the fall over this event. There’s obviously still a very active school or cell at work here fostering these more fundamentalist views.
Instead of just condemning the behaviour, the so-called moderates should be asking for the extremists to be deorted so not to damage the moderate cause any further.

Blogstrop

17 Sep 12 at 7:11 am
That’s “deported”. Removing the ort will not suffice.

Blogstrop

17 Sep 12 at 7:12 am
Typing on the iPad is driving me nuts but I just keep doing it!

Blogstrop

17 Sep 12 at 7:16 am
Strike me pink.
Libyan President: It was a planned attack
White House line: No no, it was a spontaneous display of righteous anger at a film.

lotocoti

17 Sep 12 at 7:18 am
What encouraging news re Newspoll.

Don’t panic boys and girls.

Panicking? We’re laughing at you, dickhead.

.

17 Sep 12 at 7:38 am
Those polls are ridiculous.

People disapprove of Tony Abbot as much as they do of the ALP policy and governance.

What all these pro Government shadowy figures are forgetting and ignoring is that marginal seats are typically judgemental and only go for populist policies and have long memories.

Abbot could win if it is 2PP ALP 52: LNP 48, nationally.

The best thing Abbot could do as PM is simply repeal any Federal legislation and regulation made after 20th Spetember, 2007.

.

17 Sep 12 at 7:51 am
A Philippines news program explains how “white shoe brigade” speculators can triple the price of Australian rural holdings by cancelling farming/food production and turning the property into a carbon farm, as Qantas has done. The fallout wouldn’t be seen by consumers in higher food prices until long after Gillard is booted out of office. The ultimate property scam, for which Australia has been a ground-breaking pioneer for 200 years.

Tom

17 Sep 12 at 8:07 am
Who’s panicking?

We’ve got the Gaffe Machine as PM and Goose as Treasurer, and the mid year review of the budget is soon to be released, you know the one -

“There will be no SURPLUS in a government that I lead”.

It is interesting to see how the Liars Party supporters enjoy watching a show where the Stenographers guzzle down the government endorsed sewerage.

Now the Ramjan standard exists in Australian journalism, who knows who will it will hurt next!!!

BTW, Micheal Smith has more documents on his page about the fraud that was perpetrated from the SLUSH fund the PM set up and did not tell S&G about in her exit interview.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 8:07 am
The fallout wouldn’t be seen by consumers in higher food prices until long after Gillard is booted out of office. The ultimate property scam, for which Australia has been a ground-breaking pioneer for 200 years.

I lived in Vic during the Kennett years. This is the Liars Parties re-election strategy. Turn the economy into an economic basket case, then pound the poor saps who have to clean up the mess.

Can-Do is fighting the same fight right now in QLD. Abbott will be doing the same when in the lodge after the next election.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 8:10 am
There’s more detail out with the Nespoll – after showing a crash in the green vote last time to 8%, now it’s recovered to 12% ?

It’s just not credible that the greens have had a 40% increase in voters.

If other polls have shown an improvement in ALP support then they have obviously improved their position. But the Newspoll figurs should be viewed with suspicion by many people.

brc

17 Sep 12 at 8:10 am
What encouraging news re Newspoll.

Imagine the bump if thirdpersonsingularpronoun took two weeks off, not 1.

lotocoti

17 Sep 12 at 8:13 am
Halfway through the 3rd book in the Game of Thrones series now – but it’s a bit off-putting. In a normal fantasy story, there will be one or two not-quite-main characters die as part of a great sacrifice close to the end – here there is a sense they’re all going to die and the only question is when, and how horribly.

That is its charm. George R Martin stated he wanted to put together a story based upon the War of the Roses and the way he keeps killing off the supposed heroes is true to that era.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 8:15 am
Imagine the bump if thirdpersonsingularpronoun took two weeks off, not 1.

The Liars Party was able to cave into the Greens/Shut Up!/Greenpeace & kill off the fishing industry, and fill Nauru with future attendees as future discussions with police at Hyde Park by ensuring the Gaffe Machine was not being in the public eye.

Looks like an effective election strategy here.

;sarc off

Token

17 Sep 12 at 8:18 am
Gillard is enjoying the fruits of two events- one, the increase owed to the sympathy vote due to the death of her father (and her subsequent absence from public life for a week); and the second being the remorseless sledging of Tony Abbott over the Ramjan “wallgate” affair. Neither of these factors are sustainable, and the slow burn of the pointless CO2 tax and the non-delivery of Labor’s non-negotiable surplus (plus the swingeing cuts they introduce willy-nilly to try and achieve this mirage), will return the polls back towards more familiar territory by the MYEFO.

Cold-Hands

17 Sep 12 at 8:18 am
“t’s just not credible that the greens have had a 40% increase in voters”

Suppose stopping the Trawler caused the Greens to go back to 12 percent in one but it seems strange that a single issue can make such a big difference, but it’s the only issue of relevance for them in the last 2 weeks I think. Would that be credible?

candy

17 Sep 12 at 8:28 am
Regarding the poll, it’s utterly irrelevant.

The Ozdraylian Lobodomy Pardee is still headed for the the biggest and most long overdue electoral thrashing in this country’s history.

Bring. It. On.

Rabz

17 Sep 12 at 8:30 am
Behold our future if of our own Kirchner & her the crony cabal is re-elected:

Thousands of people took to the streets across Argentina on September 13 to protest generalized insecurity, heavy handed state intervention and a looming threat of constitutional reform that could pave the way for the re-election of President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner in 2015. Temperatures have hit a boiling point after a very long simmer heated by years of government-denied inflation, nationalizations, import restrictions, and now talks of constitutional reform. . . . Adding insult to injury, the Kirchner government denies the over 25 percent inflation affecting the country since about 2004.

[H/t Instapundit]

Token

17 Sep 12 at 8:32 am
NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione warned that investigators would scour footage and photographs in search of the most violent offenders.

“If you are one of those people who are in those photographs, it’s probably better if you come forwards and talk to us because we will certainly be coming to knock on your door,” Mr Scipione said.

Watch out moozlies, o’barrell has unleashed the hamsters!

Rabz

17 Sep 12 at 8:59 am
OK – I enjoyed his recent attack on the ALPBC, but this sheridan piece on those donkey pleasurers in Sydneystan is simply not good enough.

Rabz

17 Sep 12 at 9:07 am
Instead of just condemning the behaviour, the so-called moderates should be asking for the extremists to be deorted so not to damage the moderate cause any further.

The trouble is, the Koran is the literal word of Allah. It was dictated by him in Arabic to Mohammed. Muslims therefore have to take it seriously. (The Christian bible in contrast was inspired by God but written by humans, and there is room there for individual conscience.)

So if the Koran says for example that apostates should be put to death, then that has to be taken seriously. Even though a moderate would never in a million years want to kill an apostate themself, they would be hard pressed to condemn the practice.

Dangph

17 Sep 12 at 9:17 am
Julia the mourner is up in the polls. Little fish are safe in the deep. Yes, the election cycle has begun. Hitting under the belt at Abbott as they have done is now par for the course; expect more of it, so Tony please show your womenfolk lots – gloves are off. Next we’ll have her wedding (she’d do anything for power, even that, ‘coz weddings are big in the zeitgeist right now). Nikki Gemmell will drip some more general poison about the place under the guise of neutral caring and sharing (told you she was very, very dangerous because women trust her. Ladies, it’s time to hit back hard at this writer’s insidious form of propaganda). Also, is Julia moderating her voice at bit? Getting some lessons? Opinions on this please. I know it’s hard because it means tuning in instead of hitting the mute, so we will need some fearless volunteers for this task. I haven’t been game enough, just heard the first few words.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

17 Sep 12 at 9:22 am
If the ALP get back in after the next election then we are in for the mother of all recessions in this country. They are absolute economic vandals.

But, if the people of Australia vote for these idiots then we will absolutely deserve what’s coming and I for one will be laughing my tits off.

tbh

17 Sep 12 at 9:26 am
If the ALP get back in after the next election then we are in for the mother of all recessions in this country

The mother of all depressions more likely, fiscally and mentally.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 9:33 am
The polls are BS.

I know several former ALP and Greens supporters that are rabid libertarians or strongly conservative with libertarian leanings now that will openly boast they will vote for Abbot even if they don’t like him so he can fuck over Julia and govern the country properly…and they are starting to like him.

.

17 Sep 12 at 9:35 am
I repeat:

The best thing Abbot could do as PM is simply repeal any Federal legislation and regulation made after 20th Spetember, 2007.

.

17 Sep 12 at 9:36 am
Geezuz people it’s one poll out of hundreds.

Gillard’s father just died, she’s been out of the media for a week and the most ugly smear campaign I’ve ever seen has been run against Abbott. According to Nielsen that gained the ALP a whole two points 53 / 47.

Let us pray that this “boost” causes Gillard to call an early election…

Then lets start hearing about Gillards student days, etc.

twostix

17 Sep 12 at 9:47 am
Opinions on this please.

Can’t help you there, Lizzie. As you’d know I refuse point blank to watch or listen to the hideous harridan.

Rabz

17 Sep 12 at 9:57 am
“Next we’ll have her wedding (she’d do anything for power, even that, ‘coz weddings are big in the zeitgeist right now)”

I think you’re right with that one, Elizabeth, a wedding is right on the cards.

candy

17 Sep 12 at 10:00 am
I hope Jacques is wielding the proverbial stick at the service provider (host, whatever) and they’re working on getting this site back to running properly.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 10:08 am
Next we’ll have her wedding (she’d do anything for power, even that, ‘coz weddings are big in the zeitgeist right now)

I don’t think she’s the marrying kind. Think about ASU’s reflections on marriage when she was its president. However, I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility that she and Tim announce their engagement followed shortly thereafter by calling of the election. The marriage can be postponed indefinitely (when she can find the time in her busy schedule etc etc) or called off some time in the distant future.

Ivan Denisovich

17 Sep 12 at 10:11 am
Lets assume the polls are right. The ALP still can’t win. Show me where they will pick up a single seat?

Lyne and New England will be LNP seats again after the election so they are already down another two.

Infidel Tiger

17 Sep 12 at 10:12 am
Next we’ll have her wedding

Then she’’ll shove a cushion up the front of her dress – “Oi’m having a boiby, Ozdraylia”!

FFS, spare us…

Rabz

17 Sep 12 at 10:16 am
I’d like to see a state by state, I’m sure the malingerers in Vic, Tas & the ACT have swung heavily back to the Liars Party.

What about NSW?

An election at council level (not a poll) just one week ago showed huge swings to the Coalition and away from the Greens.

Something is weird here.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 10:18 am
I don’t think she’s the marrying kind. Think about ASU’s reflections on marriage when she was its president.

Are you telling me that the PM who set up a SLUSH funds in breach of WA state law for her boyfriend, who didn’t tell her law partners about the entity on her exit interview, and who leads staffers who organised a RACE riots on Australia Day has a principle she will stand by?

Interesting.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 10:22 am
IT, it’s a fair point. They still have to pick up seats to govern in their own right. I don’t know where they are going to do that.

tbh

17 Sep 12 at 10:22 am
Something is weird here.

A small subset of the people called don’t wish to pile on during the week she’s grieving her fathers passing. Another subset have been swayed by the crippling dishonest and slanderous smear campaign silently endorsed by every ALP backer and shill here.

Next week will be back to business as usual, this will be forgotten about.

Just like last time there was a yeti sighting, and the time before that, and the time before that…

twostix

17 Sep 12 at 10:31 am
IT

All those are fair points. Anyone thinking right now that the Liars Party will win the election is double dosing on heroin and smoking crack at the same time.

But that isn’t the point really in my opinion.

The Liars Party require obliteration and 42/48 still puts them in the game as a political party. They will have learnt nothing and remembered all their bad habits.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 10:33 am
Lets assume the polls are right. The ALP still can’t win. Show me where they will pick up a single seat?

I will be shocked if, once the doubters-others (7-12%) nominate a party, the 2PP is anything less than 60% opposition to 40% Labor at the 2013 poll. That means the Liars will win a maximum of 31 seats in the Reps to the Coalition’s 119, with all independents/Greens disappearing. It assumes it’s Gillard vs Abbott and discounts the leftist fantasy that it will be Rudd vs Turnbull.

Tom

17 Sep 12 at 10:35 am
I’d love to get the mole’s opinion on this latest poll, but he’s away for a few days.

Will there be increased speculation about an early election?

The MYEFO is going to be an absolute disaster for the goose, so there may be some movement before then…

Rabz

17 Sep 12 at 10:38 am
Stix

I’m more down on Abbott as I think he’s starting to become the problem. It’s nothing to do with punching a wall and shit like that. That’s laughable.

The problem I think is that’s he’s underperformed. The one strength required of politicians aspiring to be political leaders is in being able to articulate a message and have a conversation with the public. He’s been fucking appalling of late.

He looks defensive when interviewed, ill at ease and unable to sound convincing. He sounds like he’s winging it.

I think this has a lot to do with it.

He just doesn’t inspire. I don’t know what the fuck is wrong with him. Watch him in parliament and he’s great. He very animated and quite verbose. Stick the fucker in front of an interviewer and he stiffens up.

You have to use a fucking crowbar to get dialogue. I’m at a loss the understand what the hell is going on as those sides of him just don’t follow.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 10:41 am
perhaps its better to have a poll like this now than just some weeks prior to an election.

candy

17 Sep 12 at 10:42 am
FFS Labor Louise Pratt in Parliament crying over same sex marriage.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 10:44 am
He looks defensive when interviewed, ill at ease and unable to sound convincing. He sounds like he’s winging it.

I’ve been saying that for years.

I demand that JC also now be called a paid, lying, Labor shill, and emasculated pervert.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 10:50 am
The Liars Party require obliteration and 42/48 still puts them in the game as a political party. They will have learnt nothing and remembered all their bad habits.

If the Libs don’t end up with a landslide victory then things like the carbon tax are here to stay. They won’t have a majority in the senate and without a huge majority won’t risk a double dissolution.

He looks defensive when interviewed, ill at ease and unable to sound convincing. He sounds like he’s winging it.

A mentioned on Insiders, Abbott performs much better on offence than he does defence. Which is fine for an opposition leader, but opportunities to go on attack will be a lot fewer as PM. The drop in polls probably is to do with him not effectively attacking because he’s too busy defending.

Gillard’s father just died, she’s been out of the media for a week and the most ugly smear campaign I’ve ever seen has been run against Abbott. According to Nielsen that gained the ALP a whole two points 53 / 47.

I’m not particularly happy with the direction politics is taking where they dig up dirt from 20 to 30 years ago, but Abbott is just getting a dose of his own side’s medicine. The ALP (and Gillard) tend to poll better when Gillard is absent! Not really a feasible long term strategy unless they do end up replacing her.

Chris

17 Sep 12 at 10:54 am
@jc you’re right, and I agree with you.

My thesis is that the unbelievable hostility to him by the media is taking it’s toll. The guy can’t get a fair hearing anywhere, so he’s clamming up for fear of setting off a 4-week news cycle of ‘Abbott said X’.

The 2010 election campaign showed he can go well when he gets the bit between his teeth. But this current period of letting the media set the tone and is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Abbott needs to get out and speak directly the the camera and ignore the interviewer. He should be watching old Howard interviews where he would just ignore whatever partisan crap an interviewer would throw at him. Some of his putdowns to Kerry O’Brien were great ‘well, I doubt the viewers of your program really think that, Kerry’ is the sort of stuff he’d hit back with.

Being a conservative PM in Australia means fighting the media daily. He needs to get used to it. People will respect the strength and straight answers when they see it.

Abbott should get out and do some shopping centres and do some faux-campaigning. It might throw the light on why the shoe-leather in the Gillard cupboard is barely scuffed, let alone worn out.

Also : memo to Front Bench – get out and support your leader. The media are never going to give you a fair run, just get used to it and come out swinging.

These guys have to realise that at least half the country is in their corner, so stop acting like cowards.

brc

17 Sep 12 at 10:57 am
Candy

The punters are teasing the shit out of the political parties. In my opinion they aren’t really reflecting their true intentions but collectively fucking with their heads.

Abbott has time to recover, however he needs to up his performance and talk about new stuff and do so in an articulate and convincing way. He hasn’t shown any guts of late. The punters are primed to accept some changes in the labor market laws yet he’s steered well away from talking about that stuff when it’s obvious he should.

Stepford:

This is a trap for the Lairs party. Don’t go smoking crack and start making predictions now. The punters are offering the degenerates a poison chalice- to keep the lying slapper as their leader into the election. It will prove a disaster for them whether Abbott is the lib leader or not.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 10:58 am
Does anyone have a link to an article showing how some audience members (gay marriage activists I think?), got to ask questions on more than one episode of Q&A? I’d swear I’d seen one recently but I can’t remember where and have yet to find the right string of terms to google.

Cold-Hands

17 Sep 12 at 11:03 am
The problem I think is that’s he’s underperformed. The one strength required of politicians aspiring to be political leaders is in being able to articulate a message and have a conversation with the public. He’s been fucking appalling of late.

He looks defensive when interviewed, ill at ease and unable to sound convincing. He sounds like he’s winging it.

I think this has a lot to do with it.

Very true.

Joe “The Butcher “Hockey has been good of late. Let’s do the numbers.

Infidel Tiger

17 Sep 12 at 11:05 am
He looks defensive when interviewed, ill at ease and unable to sound convincing. He sounds like he’s winging it.

I agree.

I was talking to a relative last night who would be described as having a typical Aussie interest in politics (as in not much except she dislikes gillard) and she lamented the fact that Abbott’s “not doing anything”.

It’s definitely time for the libs to start offering their vision for Aus I think.

He used to be pretty good as health minister in interviews. He’s purposefully held back since becoming leader so as to lose the “head kicker” label and I suppose forever having his words twisted into “abbott says he hates babies, news at 11 ” takes its toll. He needs to relax, realise he’s on the right side of history take control of the narrative again and be confident about the things he’s saying.

He and all libs should also silently boycott the ABC as well. I distinctly remember when I was a young pop-leftist espousing the wonderful “fairness” of the ABC that I would use the fact that Liberals chose to go on to be interviewed as evidence.

twostix

17 Sep 12 at 11:06 am
Abbott only has to refer to that lying slapper as ‘she’ and the love media and hostile feminazi selective misandrists create the news cycle for the next three weeks.

As I’ve said before, Abbott needs to be Abbott and to hell with the love media. Nothing he says will change their minds about him so it’s time he started talking to the electorate and not trying to appease the meeja. It’s also about time he treats the meeja with the same disdain that Gillard does.

Also what brc said.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 11:06 am
“The punters are primed to accept some changes in the labor market laws yet he’s steered well away from talking about that stuff when it’s obvious he should.”

Thanks for your response JC. I see what you mean about upping his game, but I feel the campaign against him about his “woman bashing aggessive nature” – all rubbish – is a difficult one for him emotionally, affects his family too, you see.

Sooner or later bit between the teeth will happen.

candy

17 Sep 12 at 11:07 am
I’m not particularly happy with the direction politics is taking where they dig up dirt from 20 to 30 years ago, but Abbott is just getting a dose of his own side’s medicine.

You lie.

Mike Smith does not work for the Coalition.

The documentary evidence that has avoided talking about Gillard’s habit of being a home-wrecker has been the focus of Mike Smith’s work.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 11:07 am
I demand that JC also now be called a paid, lying, Labor shill, and emasculated pervert.

Care to denounce the slanderous smear campaign run by the ABC and fairfax on behalf of the ALP for the last week?

Now that it’s done its damage you will, after a week of silence like the craven shill you are.

twostix

17 Sep 12 at 11:08 am
Abbott needs to get out and speak directly the the camera and ignore the interviewer. He should be watching old Howard interviews where he would just ignore whatever partisan crap an interviewer would throw at him.

We saw on Insiders yesterday the Stenographers pack attack Sheridan for standing up to the sectarian ABC. The Coalition should get over themselves and expect that to be the standard.

Gillard is pulling Newt’s trick of not accepting the premise of questions posed by the reporter.

It is time for the Abbott, Hockey and the rest of the Coalition to do the same.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 11:12 am
Bunyip sighting at Quadrant. “Grattan & Co.” come off second best.

areff

17 Sep 12 at 11:13 am
I’m not particularly happy with the direction politics is taking where they dig up dirt from 20 to 30 years ago, but Abbott is just getting a dose of his own side’s medicine.

Oh fuck off.

If Abbott’s “side” had of dished out the “medicine” he got last week all of Australia would know that Gillard has been the other woman in two family ruining affairs, was president of a student organisation that among other things called all males rapists and equated marriage with prositution and was one of two paid employees in the financial successor of the Australian Communist Party later becoming a senior committee member of it which she stayed as until 2002.

Then we’d be hearing about how it’s alleged she shilled for her boyfriend in front of 800 miners to help him take over their fund which he rorted, and on, and on, and on.

twostix

17 Sep 12 at 11:15 am
Care to denounce the slanderous smear campaign run by the ABC and fairfax on behalf of the ALP for the last week?

Not likely, SoB was gleefully wallowing in the sewerage on Sat when he linked to Jabba’s article.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 11:16 am
twostix: I thought it was the theory around here that only Lefty luvvies (who already dislike Abbott) read Fairfax and that was why it was in a death spiral? And that the ABC could be shut down because no one will miss its incredible bias.

Now I see they are responsible for bringing down Abbott?

Get your story straight.

The Abbott wall punch thing only hurt him (if it did in any substantial sense – I’m not really convinced) because of the way he initially responded. As Grattan suggested, all he needed to say was “I’ve grown up since then” and remained vague on whether it happened as alleged or not.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 11:16 am
TwoStix, looks like we’ve got a LiarChris to go with the LiarSteve who trolls the site.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 11:17 am
If Abbott’s “side” had of dished out the “medicine” he got last week…

Keeping their powder dry for the election campaign?

Cold-Hands

17 Sep 12 at 11:19 am
Bunyip sighting at Quadrant.

He did announce here a few days ago that he would be writing for another well known site. He kindly gave us the scoop.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 11:21 am
FYI: Albanese on Sky this morning:

ANTHONY ALBANESE: Polls come and go. We don’t get overexcited or depressed by a poll from day to day. But there’s no doubt that there’s a trend out there that reflects Tony Abbott’s scare campaign that on July 1 the sky was going to fall.

I mean, this is a campaign that has hit a brick wall of reality. Reality has hit the rhetoric and reality’s winning.

KIERAN GILBERT: So you’re putting it down totally to the – your view that the carbon tax is waning. Is that the turnaround here?

ANTHONY ALBANESE: That’s certainly a big element. The other elements are our management of the economy. Essentially, if you look at the rest of the world, we’re doing extremely well.

On any indication, growth is there, unemployment’s down, we have inflation under control – all the key economic indicators.

If you look at our management of the big issues – education, we’ve got a big reform agenda. We’ve got a big reform agenda in the NDIS, in health and in my area of infrastructure and transport.

But the other side of the ledger, they have a look at Tony Abbott and they just see destructive negativity.

KIERAN GILBERT: Well, that’s what the Coalition is saying about you. In this poll, they’re saying that it’s largely the result of personal attacks against Tony Abbott’s character. Is that the ALP strategy, because we have seen that’s been the main focus over the last week?

ANTHONY ALBANESE: If you look at Tony Abbott, what you see is someone who is engaged in destructive negativity every single day.

It’s not our fault that he goes out and does a doorstop in order to get his robocall out – you know, press one for scare campaign on carbon price, press two for scare campaign on asylum seekers.

That’s all we get.

Malcolm Turnbull belled the cat on the Coalition a couple of weeks ago when he spoke about their negative tactics in Question Time and last week we had the same.

Tom

17 Sep 12 at 11:25 am
Now I see they are responsible for bringing down Abbott?

How about you make some more shit up?

Now I notice you posted that very long fictional story but still haven’t simply denounced the smear. You live here, you know the facts of the matter and you know full well that it’s an ugly lie.

Yet you as usual refuse to condemn it, simply voting “present”. Like you do with all of these matters.

You then have the audicity to quote Grattan, one of the worst offenders in giving the smear oxygen.

As Grattan suggested, all he needed to say was “I’ve grown up since then” and remained vague on whether it happened as alleged or not.

Why would he admit to something that demonstrably never happened?

You can’t help yourself can you?

twostix

17 Sep 12 at 11:29 am
I’m not particularly happy with the direction politics is taking where they dig up dirt from 20 to 30 years ago, but Abbott is just getting a dose of his own side’s medicine.

I can’t be bothered to scroll up and find who wrote that childish drivel. Labor insiders and Labor pollies and unionists are the ones pushing for the actual truth of Gillard’s shady past to be drenched in the disinfectant of sunshine. All of which have been suported by evidence.

Abbott has no medicine to take, he has not been involved with the Gillard/Wilson fraud and only asked once that “she” tell all to Parliament to clear the air. After all, that’s what Labor says often often, that they need “clear air”.

What Labor has leveled against Abbott, and make no mistake Labor is behind this utterly unfounded campaign of smear, are pure lies. If people cannot see the difference then they should not be allowed anywhere near a ballot box.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 11:29 am
Does anyone have a link to an article showing how some audience members (gay marriage activists I think?), got to ask questions on more than one episode of Q&A? I’d swear

The scumbags are doing it all the time. They occasionally have that moron on who always refers to himself as a Vietnam war veteran with a gay son and asks why the libs are against da gay marriage. They’ve wheeled the douchebag out three times now, I think.

His son is sitting beside him and usually has a disgusted look and appears to have a very punchable face…. not because he’s gay or anything like that, just that he looks like a bigger douchebag than his henpecked father.

I’m beginning to think that “numbers” is him.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 11:33 am
Intersting link from Bunyip’s article in Quadrant I’m sure others were aware of.

Good on Piers Ackerman for calling out David Marr for making the inference that people that are gay can not be trusted to be school teachers or coaches of sporting teams.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 11:34 am
Does anyone have a link to an article showing how some audience members (gay marriage activists I think?), got to ask questions on more than one episode of Q&A?

Isn’t that the father of the soldier?

Token

17 Sep 12 at 11:35 am
I’ve been saying that for years.

Yea stepford, but it’s always been disingenuous and no one ever takes notice of your pathetic rants.

I demand that JC also now be called a paid, lying, Labor shill, and emasculated pervert.

Fuck off dipstick.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 11:35 am
I can’t be bothered to scroll up and find who wrote that childish drivel. Labor insiders and Labor pollies and unionists are the ones pushing for the actual truth of Gillard’s shady past to be drenched in the disinfectant of sunshine. All of which have been suported by evidence.

LiarChris @ 10:54am.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 11:36 am
Isn’t that the father of the soldier?

No, it’s the father who was the spud peeler and the layabout useless son. They’re the Q&A Bobsey Twins

JC

17 Sep 12 at 11:37 am
There’s a galaxy of difference between JC’s comments and SFB’s comments. JC will criticise Labor, Greens and Liberal. SFB just criticises the Liberals.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 11:38 am
Now I notice you posted that very long fictional story but still haven’t simply denounced the smear.

No, dimwit, because as I have commented here before, I think the evidence that he did punch the wall is more convincing than his belated denial.

I also think, like Grattan does, that the incident itself is not really here nor there. Abbott is really the one who made his truthfulness the issue, which led to others coming out to back up the complainant.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 11:39 am
Isn’t that the father of the soldier?

Father? what, because he said he was? Where’s the evidence?

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 11:39 am
I think the evidence that he did punch the wall

SFB, QC, relies on hearsay as evidence. LOL. How pathetic is that? Hey, SFB, if someone called you a ped0phile are we to just take their word for it as evidence?

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 11:41 am
There’s a galaxy of difference between JC’s comments and SFB’s comments. JC will criticise Labor, Greens and Liberal. SFB just criticises the Liberals.

It’s a righties discussion and motor mouth stepford thinks we’re interested in what he has to say. We’re not even remotely interested. All he does is annoy.

Look Gab, I criticize the Libs, however I take a butcher’s meat cleaver to the Liars Party degenerates and vandals.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 11:44 am
Gab, the evidence of the person who the “victim” is still evidence. And it is not “hearsay” evidence.

Stay away from bush lawyering; you’re no good at it.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 11:44 am
Posted by Helen on the Sydney thread and it deserves a post here:

Comment to Greg Sheridans’ article in Oz today

John A of Neutral Bay Posted at 11:23 AM Today

It’s quite possible that we were looking at our nation’s future leaders among the rioters on Saturday. If we continue on our present path, in 30 years, when many of them will still be middle-aged, we could well have a ‘functional’ Muslim majority in this country. That is, about 30% Muslim but so activist and with such persuasive force that they hold sway over the passive and compliant non-Muslim population. Saturday’s rioters will have gained enormous credibility among the hardline Islamic community, credibility that will stand them in good stead in future power struggles. Australian non-Muslims are so afraid of seeming intolerant, and avoiding confrontation, it is almost certain Australia will continue to include in it’s immigrant intake a high number of Muslims. When you combine that with a rapidly growing resident population, the eventual dominance of Islam in Australia is virtually inevitable. Our whole media-education complex is geared toward national guilt and cultural timidity. So, to all those who wish to continue the hand-wringing tolerance of Islamofascism, take a good look at your future rulers.

Like I said, I’m glad I’ll be dead by the time Australia becomes part of the Caliphate.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 11:46 am
Gab, the evidence of the person who the “victim” is still evidence. And it is not “hearsay” evidence.

Stay away from bush lawyering; you’re no good at it.

The only bush lawyer, to use your hackneyed term, is you. Hearsay is not evidence.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 11:49 am
brc

Also : memo to Front Bench – get out and support your leader. The media are never going to give you a fair run, just get used to it and come out swinging.

Gag Turnbull first, literally.
IMO he will be Abbott’s next problem.

Rudiau

17 Sep 12 at 11:50 am
Keep wallowing in that sewer SoB, you filthy decrepit husk of envy and hate.

Fact is that line you peddle is, unlike the substantial charges against Gillard, crap.

There is no independent witness of this (alleged) incident. Yesterday, the left-wing lawyer David Patch, who was Ramjan’s campaign manager in 1977, claimed in an article in the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age that he was “a witness” to the incident. This is nonsense since Patch acknowledged in the same article: “I did not see the incident but I was nearby.” A lawyer like Patch should know that you cannot be a witness to an event which you did not see.

David Patch’s recollections 35 years after the event amount only to hearsay.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 11:50 am
Gab, it’s clear you do not understand the term “hearsay evidence”. You should just leave it at that.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 11:52 am
Thanks.

Cold-Hands

17 Sep 12 at 11:52 am
Isn’t that the father of the soldier?

No, it was the daughter of two lesbians. She wrote an article somewhere about her experience. She used an unusual term to describe herself. “Gayby” or something (a baby with gay parents).

Dangph

17 Sep 12 at 11:52 am
SFB it’s very clear you do not understand the law. You ought to stop now as you are embarrassing yourself even more.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 11:53 am
I guess the question is now do the Coalition come out with all the info on Ms Gillard’s personal life in the same way A. Albanese etc have done on Tony Abbott.

must be difficult to know what to do. It works for the Labor Party but is that justification.

candy

17 Sep 12 at 11:54 am
Candy, if they did they’d be accused of mysogony and be pilloried by the Stenographers for “lowering the tone” which is “not a good look”.

There will be no defense they will save Abbott from such claims.

Until the hold of the Steonographers over the coversation is broken the Coalition has to take the high road.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 11:57 am
Until the hold of the Steonographers over the coversation is broken the Coalition has to take the high road.

Let Pickering do the dirty work. Everyone reads it anyways.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 11:59 am
Tony Abbott need to pick a fight and win it, and the fight of the moment is open borders.

Helen Armstrong

17 Sep 12 at 12:01 pm
Things are getting mighty tense in the Gulf.
Iran says will hit Hormuz, US bases, Israel if attacked

If the US, UK, etc care about their military assets in the Gulf, they will need to shoot first if Israel appears to be launching an attack. They can’t wait until Israeli munitions are hitting targets.

Meanwhile :
Al Qaeda-led Salafis hit three Egyptian Sinai bases, down Egyptian chopper

And Iran happily boasts that its Quds force is in Syria “to offer counsel”. Yeah right.

Keith

17 Sep 12 at 12:01 pm
Fairfax just can’t kick the AbbottAbbottAbbott habit: Nanny Grattan has been promoted to the top of The Age website with the friendly suggestion that Abbott should open himself to even more shit-throwing by the lunatic left at Fairfax and the ABC:

Why doesn’t he go out, just once in a while, without a staffer, perhaps taking his wife Margie — whom the public would really like, if they saw more of her — and look natural and normal? This is not the time to appear with her in some confected interview that the minders negotiate with terms and conditions. Just to do a bit of ”stuff” together, despite her dislike of the public forum. Possibly — no guarantees — it would help with the ”woman problem”.

Today’s polls — Nielsen and News — both reinforce the message Abbott has a major issue with his own ratings and, worse for the Coalition, that it is starting to leak into the voting figures. At the least, it is making it easier for Gillard and her government to recover somewhat.

Now this should not be overstated. Newspoll’s 50-50 two-party result is probably too good to be true for Labor; Nielsen still has a comfortable opposition win. The election money would have to be still strongly on the Coalition.

Objectively, you would much rather be in Abbott’s position than in Gillard’s. Subjectively, however, it would be another story.

Gillard has hope. Abbott is probably in a funk in his head. He wants this prime ministerial prize too much for his own good. That desire has been so strong that he has allowed himself to transform — or be transformed — into a robot. Being terrified of mistakes, he is making more of them. A mistake made then increases the likelihood of making another.

I think it’s time someone like Bolt suggests a non-hostile interview with Abbott on, say, a Sunday night (or even Sunday morning or afternoon), to explore what he believes in and what he’ll do in government. Since this has never been done, I think it would get a quite a large audience. Even a Sky interview would be preferable to the hatred that is heaped on him by the left smartarseritti.

Tom

17 Sep 12 at 12:02 pm
Gees, it’s hard work dealing with bush lawyers:

Token, my point was that the evidence of the woman herself is not hearsay evidence.

Gettit?

Patch’s evidence may be hearsay, but people are not obliged to decide the truth of matters by the same standards a court would apply. Patch’s account of what happened sounded quite credible and supportive of the woman’s version to me.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 12:18 pm
You voted for a president named Hussein…what did you expect?

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 12:20 pm
Patch’s account of what happened sounded like he was lying to me.
There, fixed it for you.

Helen Armstrong

17 Sep 12 at 12:21 pm
but people are not obliged to decide the truth of matters by the same standards a court would apply.

Stepford,

How do you feel about the Lying Slapper being accused of helping to embezzle union funds?

JC

17 Sep 12 at 12:21 pm
Tom, Abbott needs to ignore the Yeti sightings and focus on boats, the surplus and the rise in the cost of living on working people.

The Mid Year Economic review is coming out and no matter how much cutting Labor does they won’t save get a surplus.

The Stenographers will be working hard to spin that in the coming weeks. One the one hand they have to slam the p*ss-weak budget cuts be conservative premiers while at the same time cheer Liars cuts as the end of “middle class welfare” and the like.

They Liars Party with their Stenographers will lie their way through it, but it will take all their energy.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 12:21 pm
Since this has never been done, I think it would get a quite a large audience

Yes. Tony’s lame lines about the sex advice he would give his daughters, how they think he is a loser anyway, and how gay men make him feel threatened, have all shown how the “relaxed” Tony Abbott talking about what he believes in can still backfire.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 12:24 pm
The war on men.

Gender selection is okay when it’s done by women.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 12:25 pm
Yeah that’s right JC. Pickering, the guy who persistently draws the PM with a strap-on. He’s credible.

sdfc

17 Sep 12 at 12:27 pm
Token, my point was that the evidence of the woman herself is not hearsay evidence.

Gettit?

They are statements made by a person of dubious character who has a track record of making vexacious claims that change over time.

Real lawyers would love to get her on the stand and give her the Ron Merkel treatment.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 12:28 pm
How do you feel about the Lying Slapper being accused of helping to embezzle union funds?

I note that she has always clearly and specifically denied knowledge of Wilson’s activities, and her enemies have had nearly 20 years to prove this wrong and failed.

Even Wilson, it would appear, since he has been contacted by Michael Smith, has not claimed she knew (otherwise I am sure Smith would have told us by now.)

This suggests extremely strongly that her denials are true.

Is that enough detail for you?

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 12:29 pm
“Let Pickering do the dirty work. Everyone reads it anyways.”

If the rotton job has to be done, I would think Julie Bishop would be appropriate.

candy

17 Sep 12 at 12:32 pm
Gab, from your link, frigging horrifying:

For Jennifer Merrill Thompson, the reasons were simple. “I’m not into sports. I’m not into violent games. I’m not into a lot of things boys represent and boys do,” she said.

Only from the fascist left: next stop, hundreds of thousands of abortions of male foetuses, just like the happy solution to get rid of girls in communist China.

Tom

17 Sep 12 at 12:34 pm
Tony’s lame lines about the sex advice he would give his daughters, how they think he is a loser anyway

Try to keep up:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/proving-hes-no-snore-loser-abbott-hammers-out-hits-on-country-tour-20111017-1ltg2.html

Ivan Denisovich

17 Sep 12 at 12:38 pm
Tony’s lame lines about the sex advice he would give his daughters

Mr Abbott said he would tell his daughters that sex was “the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving, and don’t give it to someone lightly.”

SFB tells his daughter: go for it, honey, anywhere, anytime and with whomever.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 12:42 pm
”

“Let Pickering do the dirty work. Everyone reads it anyways.”
If the rotton job has to be done, I would think Julie Bishop would be appropriate.

Because she’s a female she can take the attack up whereas the men will just be labelled mysogynists.

candy

17 Sep 12 at 12:43 pm
He needs to relax, realise he’s on the right side of history take control of the narrative again and be confident about the things he’s saying.

Yes, he does. He should appear rather as I am sure he does to his daughters; caring, authoritative, with dignitas (always dad in their hearts; exemplar of the mode was leftie Sir William Deane), showing an easy willingness to listen and agree, and offer lots of compassionate comments. Women love that. He’s had a lot of life experience to draw on, and he should let that be known. That’s the trick Gillard played in her big media refutation of her ‘young and naive’ times. i.e. I stand before you as a 50 year old woman, blah de blah …. And this week, all the mourning, my dear old dad blah de blah ..

We need a bit more self-disclosure Tony. As Nikki Gemmell plays up so well, women go on feelings.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

17 Sep 12 at 12:43 pm
Ivan, that’s very nice that his daughter helps out.

It was, of course, completely unnecessary for Tone to offer during an interview that daughter’s assessment of him in the first place.

Tony has been promoted above his level of competence, that is all there is to it.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 12:44 pm
SFB tells his daughter: go for it, honey, anywhere, anytime and with whomever.

Gab, one is able to indicate that one holds to conservative ideals of where and when sex is appropriate, even acknowledging that few people (he included!) manage to live up to the ideal, all without explaining it in a way that sounds as daggy as women giving their virginity as a “gift”.

Have you understood the point about hearsay evidence yet, by the way?

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 12:50 pm
It was, of course, completely unnecessary for Tone to offer during an interview that daughter’s assessment of him in the first place.

Of course. It’s Abbott’s fault. Always. Never forget it.

Ivan Denisovich

17 Sep 12 at 12:51 pm
Defence Department secretary Duncan Lewis is preparing to resign as soon as tomorrow with the department in mounting turmoil over current and planned funding cuts.

Mr Lewis, a retired army major- general, has been in the job for barely a year. His shock resignation seems linked to the reluctance of the Gillard government to explain how it will pay for major new weapons systems. It is also likely to trigger at least a minor reshuffle of departmental heads in the bureaucracy.

This year the government cut the Defence budget by 10. 5 per cent, the largest cut since the end of the Korean war in 1953. In all, $5.5 billion will be cut from the Defence budget over the next four years as the government attempts to push the federal budget into surplus. Further reductions have also been mooted.

It is not clear whether Mr Lewis is quitting because of his frustrations with the government’s approach to defence funding or whether he was pushed by the notoriously sensitive Defence Minister, Stephen Smith, following a recent speech in which Mr Lewis voiced his concerns.

At an Australian Strategic Policy Institute dinner last month, Mr Lewis spoke warmly of the late legendary Defence secretary Sir Arthur Tange (1970-79) and the famous 1973 “Tange Harangue” in which Sir Arthur criticised what he saw as a gap between strategic policy and the defence budget. Mr Lewis approvingly quoted Sir Arthur’s aphorism: “You are not talking strategy unless you are talking dollars.”

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 12:51 pm
It’s time for gloves off and defamation action against Fairfax. Patch, as an officer of the court, would be foolhardy indeed to repeat his hearsay. The complete lack of evidence at the time, and subsequently, would very persuasively suggest that Ramjan and Marr made it all up, with intention to smear.

I’m sure Abbott could identify a worthy aboriginal community to receive the defamation payout. Grovelling corrections and apologies in all Fairfax outlets would also be in order.

Lazlo

17 Sep 12 at 12:52 pm
This year the government cut the Defence budget by 10. 5 per cent, the largest cut since the end of the Korean war in 1953. In all, $5.5 billion will be cut from the Defence budget over the next four years as the government attempts to push the federal budget into surplus. Further reductions have also been mooted.

‘seactly. Only the Gaffe-Machine & Goose would go after the state premiers for cutting waste while doing it themselves.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 12:55 pm
Tone to offer during an interview

So what according to Steve is Abbott allowed to talk about?

His Charity work? Nuh, that would show those who do none.

His life saving? ditto

His honesty? ditto.

His strong ‘normal’ married with kids and a mortgage’ family life? ditto

Oh I get it, Abbott is not allowed to talk about anything that shows his humanity, oe his faith, or his courage or his selflessness.

Because that would be a perfect foil against Gillard, Swan, ad nauseum ALP.

Helen Armstrong

17 Sep 12 at 12:56 pm
No, dimwit, because as I have commented here before, I think the evidence that he did punch the wall is more convincing than his belated denial.

There is no “evidence” you fucking clown. Except to those craven shills like yourself who desperately want it to be true.

How amusing though – in one case reams of documentary evidence, a taped, transcribed interrogation and Gillard herself admitting wrong doing has us enduring months of you breathlessly and hysterically denouncing it as a muckraking completely fabricated “non story” that would never be printed by a newspaper again.

In another case a single ALP appointed, ALP associated individual simply utters an accusation, who twice before on the record totally “forgot” to mention anything about it…

“The evidence is convincing”.

You never argue in good faith.

Ever.

You simply lie, all the time.

twostix

17 Sep 12 at 12:56 pm
Steve all your comments about Abbott should be prefaced by a disclosure on your bigotry towards virile athletic men.

Infidel Tiger

17 Sep 12 at 12:58 pm
Posted this on ‘Sydney’ but bought it across here, because it says it all, really.

Comment to Greg Sheridans’ article in Oz today

John A of Neutral Bay Posted at 11:23 AM Today

It’s quite possible that we were looking at our nation’s future leaders among the rioters on Saturday. If we continue on our present path, in 30 years, when many of them will still be middle-aged, we could well have a ‘functional’ Muslim majority in this country. That is, about 30% Muslim but so activist and with such persuasive force that they hold sway over the passive and compliant non-Muslim population. Saturday’s rioters will have gained enormous credibility among the hardline Islamic community, credibility that will stand them in good stead in future power struggles. Australian non-Muslims are so afraid of seeming intolerant, and avoiding confrontation, it is almost certain Australia will continue to include in it’s immigrant intake a high number of Muslims. When you combine that with a rapidly growing resident population, the eventual dominance of Islam in Australia is virtually inevitable. Our whole media-education complex is geared toward national guilt and cultural timidity. So, to all those who wish to continue the hand-wringing tolerance of Islamofascism, take a good look at your future rulers.

Helen Armstrong

17 Sep 12 at 1:01 pm
Ed Husic takes the sharia law approach to freedom of speech, unsurprisingly…

We also cannot turn a blind eye to those who deliberately whip up religious hatreds while claiming freedom of expression. While we cherish that freedom, does that give free licence to post videos claiming awful things just because they’re free to do so?If you thought the signs at Saturday’s protests expressed awful sentiments (which I did) then logic suggests that that video should be categorised the same way (which I do). analysis and criticism is one thing -Expression designed to be deliberately provocative and injure the deeply held views and values of others is something I’ll never support or respect.

Ed Husic, elected in 2010, is the first Muslim to enter federal parliament.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 1:02 pm
Nanny Roxon should take note:

Only one year after its implementation, the Danish government is planning to scrap the “fat tax.” The reason why: reports show that it simply doesn’t work.

Denmark is now likely to abolish the tax levied on saturated fats, as empirical evidence shows that its negative effects outweigh the benefits for the Danish Treasury. In particular, reports point to job losses in the food processing industry and Danes crossing the German border to buy cheaper products.

The proposals to scrap the fat tax have been included in the 2013 draft budget, which is currently under consideration by Parliament. Under current law, Denmark is applying a tax of DKK16 ($2.40) per kg of saturated fat on food items. This tax was introduced back in autumn 2011 to combat obesity and raise tax revenues.

Only problem we have is that it’s a bit hard to nip over to NZ for a bucket of KFC.

boy on a bike

17 Sep 12 at 1:05 pm
I should have copied this too:

Update: In the comments section, Scott Drum poses an excellent question:

“Why is that liberals constantly embrace the idea that taxing something of which they don’t approve (fat, soft drinks, gasoline) will result in less of that thing being produced/consumed, but insist that increasing taxes on investment or income won’t have any affect on those activities?”

boy on a bike

17 Sep 12 at 1:06 pm
They are statements made by a person of dubious character who has a track record of making vexacious claims that change over time.

Real lawyers would love to get her on the stand and give her the Ron Merkel treatment.

As a follow on. I do hope the Ramjan keeps making unsubstantiable claims and that litigation occurs.

It would be great as whe would draw more attention to the violent lunar left.

Can you imagine what would happen if a great investigators like Hedley Thomas was paid by The Australian to dig through the records of the Lunar Left in the 1970′s?

It would be wonderful to see if there are direct financial links between the Soviet Union funded activities that Lee Rhiannon (also known as Lee Brown) was up to & the AUS (which Gillard lead).

Just saying…

Token

17 Sep 12 at 1:08 pm
Oh I get it, Abbott is not allowed to talk about anything that shows his humanity, oe his faith, or his courage or his selflessness.

True, Helen, but he should just go ahead and do it anyway, linking it to his compassionate view of the road ahead for Australians, where everyone pulls together to keep the country true to its ideals. A sort of ‘light on the hill’ touch, or Kennedy moment of patriotism to keep the faith in the Australian Way etc. Note that Gillard has picked up on this latter theme when talking about the jiharditoddler photo because it occurred in so many comments, including mine, so get amongst it Tone.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

17 Sep 12 at 1:09 pm
Patch’s evidence may be hearsay, but people are not obliged to decide the truth of matters by the same standards a court would apply. Patch’s account of what happened sounded quite credible and supportive of the woman’s version to me.

Or in other words: “I choose to believe whatever outrageous smear anybody utters no matter how ridiculous or contradictory because I want to.”

Patch stated that he saw a man swinging punches at a woman he knew.

It didn’t even occur to him to have a look at what was going on, let alone intervene, off he wandered down the hall, but he was very careful to make sure he remembered that it was Tony Abbott doing the swinging, just in case he needed to remember it 35 years later.

This is Steve’s key “evidence” and witness. Somebody who didn’t see anything, but did see it, but didn’t intervene, and remembers it perfectly.

Him and a woman who despite writing long boring letters to the student newspaper damning Abbott’s behaviour because one of his mates mooned her just “forgot” to mention the small matter of him smashing his fist into the wall right beside her head.

Then again in 2004 when she was interviewed by the SMH on the matter, again she remembered to mention Abbott’s mate mooning her but forgot all about Abbott smashing his fist into the wall beside her head.

To steve, this story is vastly more credible than Gillards machinations: a senior lawyer who admitted at a minimum to defrauding the WA government, and the long string of documentary evidence showing her setting up the legals for her long term boyfriends embezzlement scheme.

What a joker.

twostix

17 Sep 12 at 1:11 pm
Well said, twostix.

dover_beach

17 Sep 12 at 1:19 pm
Have you understood the point about hearsay evidence yet, by the way?

Here’s a signed statutory declaration by Robert Kernohan, Victorian Branch AWU President implicating Gillard in the embezzlement of moneys and implicating Bill Shorten in a scheme to hush the matter up by offering him a bribe of a seat in parliament.

By your own rules of “evidence” you must now damn Gillard and Shorten or be once again branded a lying hypocrite.

Now lets wait for the silence, or the worming “but the bizarre contradictory hearsay as given to a journalist by somebody from events 35 years ago is far more believable than a mere signed statutory declaration”.

twostix

17 Sep 12 at 1:26 pm
The Ramjet woman wrote up a bloke taking a leak behind a tree as “exposed himself to me.” She is a malicious, lying loony. We know she’s lying and we know Patch is lying too.

C.L.

17 Sep 12 at 1:28 pm
Given the existence of that stat dec, why hasn’t Gillard sued Kernohan for libel ?

Keith

17 Sep 12 at 1:30 pm
My how the narrative changes when it involves his Dear Leader.

Listen, dumb-bots: it is possible I am wrong.

I think it unlikely I am wrong because: these allegations are old and have been denied repeatedly. Any enemy who had proof of her guilt (and the Labor Party and unions are good at in fighting and making enemies) would have used it against her before now.

steve from brisbane

9 Aug 12 at 3:39 pm

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 1:36 pm
twostix (1.11pm): Patch said he didn’t see the incident but ‘was nearby’. He says Ramjan told him soon after the event that Abbott had punched the wall either side of her head. So he witnessed zip.

It was Anonymous Photocopying Guy who tells the fantastic tale of Abbott bursting into the building, kicking in the door of the SRC offices and taking a swing a Ramjan.

Of course, the fact that Anonymous Photocopying Guy’s version in no way supports Ramjan’s account didn’t stop Faifax from saying he contradicted Abbott’s rejection of Ramjan’s claim.

Recall that Ramjan claims Abbott approached her in a manner which she first took to be congratulatory.

She didn’t mention Abbott burst into the building, kicked in the door to her office…before making his congratulatory approach. Understandable.

Peter

17 Sep 12 at 1:45 pm
Given the existence of that stat dec, why hasn’t Gillard sued Kernohan for libel ?

For the same reason that if as we’re now hearing, somebody merely making a vocal accusation is “evidence” of guilt, why did it take over a year and two fired journalists before the media finally grudgingly and rapidly covered then closed the story?

Because the pop-left hold the popular narrative in the palm of their hand and mold and shape it as they see fit.

An ALP associated political rival of a Liberal leader from 35 years ago simply makes a vocal accusation with no actual evidence: Front page news for weeks. Internet ALP backers find Abbott guilty – we’re lectured that hearsay evidence is perfectly fine for determining whether Abbott is to be found publicly guilty or not.

A former president of the AWU Vic branch signs a stat dec implicating Gillard and Shorten in all sorts of illegal behaviour then reams of documentation comes out corroborating his statements?

“18 years ago is ancient history, she was never found guilty in a court of law, it’s different because we say so, you can’t rely on a union leader, documents? what documents? Non story, case closed”.

twostix

17 Sep 12 at 1:48 pm
Gab, this is a good day for for Steve. The opinion polls indicate his dear leader will be beaten like a redheaded stepchild rather than a donkey at a Tijuana sex show.

Give him this day, because tomorrow he’s back darning socks and begging Jehovah’s Witnesses to come inside and talk to him.

Infidel Tiger

17 Sep 12 at 1:49 pm
tomorrow he’s back darning socks and begging Jehovah’s Witnesses to come inside and talk to him.

Laughing out loud!

Tom

17 Sep 12 at 1:55 pm
Give him this day

What is wrong with you? Take your bleedin’ heart leftism and give yourself a good talking to.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 1:57 pm
The intolerance of the militant homosexual lobby knows no bounds:

Noted homosexual Rupert Everett under fire for saying “I’d hate to be raised by two gay fathers”

Infidel Tiger

17 Sep 12 at 1:57 pm
We also cannot turn a blind eye to those who deliberately whip up religious hatreds while claiming freedom of expression. While we cherish that freedom, does that give free licence to post videos claiming awful things just because they’re free to do so?If you thought the signs at Saturday’s protests expressed awful sentiments (which I did) then logic suggests that that video should be categorised the same way (which I do). analysis and criticism is one thing -Expression designed to be deliberately provocative and injure the deeply held views and values of others is something I’ll never support or respect.

The difference, you intellectual lightweight is one is a commentary on history and the other is a call to behead those who comment on history in a way you disagree with.

Ed Husic: fucking idiot.

Abu Chowdah

17 Sep 12 at 2:00 pm
No Kidding… I was opening the front page of Realclearpolitics and this “ad” loudly showed up. I think is a Tony&Guy ad in the social media for the upmarket hair cutting salon.

Are they for fucking real though? Take a look at the 50 second mark and continue on.

WTF? It has to be a send up no?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhGtBy6nyW0&feature=BFa&list=SPAE874E63BACD583B

JC

17 Sep 12 at 2:11 pm
Essential Poll

First Pref: Lib 48% (+1), Lab 34% (0)

2PP: 55 / 45 unchanged from last week.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 2:16 pm
That looks about right. I will not be surprised if the overkill against Abbott ends up having the same result as the attack on Newman. It will cetainly diminish the journalists and others involved in the eyes of all fair-minded people.

Rafe

17 Sep 12 at 2:19 pm
I don’t understand those polls at all. HOw can one be 50/50 and one 55/45.

candy

17 Sep 12 at 2:28 pm
Just to reiterate, this Abbott story was “announced” four weeks ago at the height of Gillard’s Slater and Gordon trouble. It was announced on twitter by notorious foaming at the mouth, lawsuit threatening, celebrity criminal solicitor Chris Murphy who claimed he had twice “interviewed” Ramjan about it.

Clearly to any functional and thinking person the smear was hamfistedly designed to defuse the Slater and Gordon debacle, however even Vexnews thought the story worthless and took it nowhere and nobody else thought much of it either.

Three weeks later Fairfax and David Marr, then the ABC decided the smear that even Vexnews wouldn’t touch was fresh, quality, front page material.

It all raises so many questions.

twostix

17 Sep 12 at 2:29 pm
Stix

I don’t think anyone gives a shit about the story. The poll improvement for the Liars party would have been here anyways.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 2:33 pm
The left and the theatre/arts poofterati are indivisible (from IT’s link):

“I’m not speaking on behalf of the gay community. In fact, I don’t feel like I’m part of any ‘community’. The only community I belong to is humanity and we’ve got too many children on the planet, so it’s good not to have more.”

Oh noes, we’ve been naughty to Gaia!!! The left are genetically unable to stop hating humanity.

Tom

17 Sep 12 at 2:36 pm
Potemkin’s Village

Experience hath shewn… here

Grigory Potemkin

17 Sep 12 at 2:54 pm
I don’t think anyone gives a shit about the story.

Nah me neither, maybe like a temporary 1% move.

No it’s:

1. The staggering hypocrisy
2. The template for future smears
3. A perfect opportunity to walk back through a smear to see how it came about, who the operators were what worked and what didn’t.
4. Just so easy to out then smack down the usual suspects with it.

It’d be perfect if we could prove that this was an ALP smear that originated close to the ALP.

twostix

17 Sep 12 at 3:05 pm
It’d be perfect if we could prove that this was an ALP smear that originated close to the ALP.

Prove it? Stix it’s as probable as 1 and 1 = 2. with those degenerates you need them to disprove it.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 3:08 pm
I don’t think anyone gives a shit about the story. The poll improvement for the Liars party would have been here anyways.

For the second time today, I find JC and I on the same page.

At this rate, we’ll be able to share manscaping tips by dinner time.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 3:13 pm
BTW, I think Joe Hockey as Opposition Leader would be the Liberal equivalent of Kim Beazley. People would say “seems a nice guy – a really nice guy; says the right things for his team, but seems clear he would most like to be doing something else though (time with the kids/going for flights in RAAF fighters). Nah, doesn’t want the PM job bad enough.”

Just my opinion.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 3:36 pm
Malcolm, on the other hand, would really, really like the job.

Ah, but he’s on the wrong side of the AGW issue.

Monckton and Jonova lovers can’t have that.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 3:39 pm
Just my opinion

FFS, you spend an inordinate amount of time here spouting incoherent, irrelevant drivel.

Do you actually have a purpose in life?

Rhetorical question, BTW.

Rabz

17 Sep 12 at 3:50 pm
No-one here gives a fuck about what you think on any subject, Dogshit, you stunted retard. Apart from the fact that you’re not their breadwinner, do your children know you spend all day every day being lampooned at a website where you are despised as a clueless idiot because you’re a parrot for the most imcompetent and unpopular government in Australian history? Not to mention that you run a blog that has no audience. I’m guessing they’ve already figured out you’re a loser.

Tom

17 Sep 12 at 3:51 pm
… you spend all day every day being lampooned at a website where you are despised as a clueless idiot because you’re a parrot for the most imcompetent and unpopular government in Australian history? Not to mention that you run a blog that has no audience.

But apart from those minor character flaws, the poor li’l dears no doubt think he’s the greatest thing since government subsidised contraception/sarc off…

Rabz

17 Sep 12 at 3:57 pm
I don’t think anyone gives a shit about the story.

Driving home I caught a promo for some bloke’s planned interview with the angry anti-Catholic sodomite on Abbott’s “dark past” with a bonus, oh so necessary “Is he one of the Pope’s battalions?”
Their ABC will run hard to the bitter end.

lotocoti

17 Sep 12 at 3:58 pm
Tough but very, very fair Tom. Too fair in fact. I wish Tony was around to offer one of his singularly good daily blasts.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 4:00 pm
The fanclub responds, I see. Where’s Tiny Malevolent Dancer? He’s late to the par-tay.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 4:01 pm
Did Obama’s stupid and clumsy error that Egypt “is not a US ally, nor an enemy” get a run here in the press? Was there any criticism of his bumbling? Could you imagine the criticism had Romney (or Bush) made such a statement (you don’t need to imagine, in fact, we have the furor caused by Romney’s unobjectionable remarks on Tues following the attacks on US embassies, and the murders of an Ambassador and consulate staff) ?

For the record, Egypt is a major non-NATO ally of the US, as is Australia, Israel, Japan, and South Korea.

Obama must go. He is an utter fool. A disaster. And a disgrace.

dover_beach

17 Sep 12 at 4:07 pm
“Is he one of the Pope’s battalions?”

WTF? He really has driven them stark ravin’ bonkers…

Rabz

17 Sep 12 at 4:08 pm
Did this get a mention here before? Bruce Hawker on Bolt yesterday he knew of the Ramjan story years ago:

Mr Hawker said today the story had been “around” for some time.

“Barbara Ramjan told me about this years ago, it’s not as if this was a story that hadn’t been around,” he told Network Ten’s Bolt Report.

“She’s been talking about this for some time.”

So, there’s Ramjan, who made an immediate complaint to Patch; Hawker and that other unidentified person who confirm they knew about it too.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 4:12 pm
You’re a pathetic git liar.

JamesK

17 Sep 12 at 4:14 pm
So, there’s Ramjan, who made an immediate complaint to Patch; Hawker and that other unidentified person who confirm they knew about it too.

And yet none of this got into the uni newspaper even while they were complaining about Abbott continuously.

What did they ‘know’, by the way? Some gossip?

dover_beach

17 Sep 12 at 4:16 pm
Ramjan, Patch and Hawker.

Solid impartial citizens one and all.

Do we have any documented evidence of Abbott setting up a slush fund and carrying on like a dizzy slut who couldn’t do his job properly because he was been rogered by one of his clients… oh hang on, that was someone else.

Infidel Tiger

17 Sep 12 at 4:17 pm
Brucie said Kruddy had over 40 votes in caucus.
How did that work out?
Credible witness? Nope.

Keith

17 Sep 12 at 4:18 pm
You have the behaviour of a dung beetle sfb.
Always seeking after the fecal matter.

Keith

17 Sep 12 at 4:21 pm
Don’t forget the “other unidentified person”, who adds even more credibility to the ramjet fantasy.

I’ve witnessed some utterly pathetic and desperate lamestream meeja hatchet jobs in my life but this without a doubt, one of the saddest ever.

Memo to shitfer, et al – this dodo ain’t gunna fly no more.

Rabz

17 Sep 12 at 4:25 pm
Did Obama’s stupid and clumsy error that Egypt “is not a US ally, nor an enemy” get a run here in the press? Was there any criticism of his bumbling?

DB, its in the memory hole with the comment on the 57 states, the “You didn’t build that” insult, et al.

The Sun King is faultless and if you say otherwise you are WWWRRRAAACCCIIISSSTTT.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 4:28 pm
Token, Token, Token…..

it’s waaaaaycist

the 5 italicised ‘a’s are important, they give a nice balance.

Oh, FWIW, it’s the waaaaahmbulance one calls for leftards when another leftardish ‘hero’ proves to be the usual lefty peddo, thief, or corruptionist.

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 4:36 pm
So, there’s Ramjan, who made an immediate complaint to Patch; Hawker and that other unidentified person who confirm they knew about it too

Stepford enjoys rolling in the sewerage. Get a few moutful’s while you were there?

RAMJAN – A person of dubious character who has a track record of making vexacious claims that change over time. Real lawyers would love to get her on the stand and give her the Ron Merkel treatment.

PATCH & HAWKER – Hearsay

EXTRA PERSON – Husband yet Ramjan’s previous statement was noone else was there.

Chris Murphy revealed the other, it is her husband.

Now Ms Ramjan,a bystander eyewitness, a Supr Ct Judge(now husband) & a Crown Prosecutor back her up v a weak Tony Abbott denial #auspol

@chrismurphys – chris murphy
3 days ago

Token

17 Sep 12 at 4:38 pm
DB, if it did get a mention, the left media would contort to make it sound like nothing. Foreign policy, and diplomacy especially, is practiced by amateurs and lapped up by stupid media hacks who have no effing idea of the long term implication.

For example. Krudd was the new Chinese expert. Reality. China is non too impressed. Also, all ASEAN nations are pissed off with current Oz diplomatic efforts. According to the MSM it is all just swimmingly good. Then that eternal Buffon Kerry Stokes pops up with his incoherent two cents as proof.

Dan

17 Sep 12 at 4:42 pm
Did this get a mention here before? Bruce Hawker on Bolt yesterday he knew of the Ramjan story years ago:

Oh SfB, but of course it did.

And the question was asked, why are we now finding out that the “apolitical” Ms Ramjan – Labor appointee also hangs around with ALP bagman Bruce Hawker? Why it’s just another coincidence I’m sure!

But you keep peddling that bike.

With the notorious ALP numbers man Bruce Hawker on your side who can be against you?

twostix

17 Sep 12 at 4:45 pm
Look, fellas, no one’s actually saying it’s that important, so your furious energy in denying it could possibly be true just shows what general lack of judgement the Right (and constituted by the majority here) currently has.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 4:46 pm
Token, Token, Token…..

it’s waaaaaycist

Thanks Mk50, it does have that special ring to it.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 4:46 pm
Bolta notes how “Fresh Air” Carr has more positions than the Kama Sutra on China and he’s worshipped by the Stenographers as an “expert”.

Nice to know he’s slyly taken the exact position he attacked Abbott for taking in July.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 4:48 pm
Look, fellas, no one’s actually saying it’s that important, so your furious energy in denying it could possibly be true just shows what general lack of judgement the Right (and constituted by the majority here) currently has.

Do you raise your children to be as deceitful as you have become over the last 18 months?

twostix

17 Sep 12 at 4:48 pm
Carr is a lightweight. If that particular piece of guano is the best we can offer the world, then we are rooted.

Dan

17 Sep 12 at 4:54 pm
Michael Smith has posted the timeline based upon the document trail of the affair where union members and the WA state government were defrauded by Gillard’s ex boyfriend.

The AWU Scandal – a quick synopsis

Token

17 Sep 12 at 4:55 pm
See this Sinclair?

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/The-Laffer-Curve-and-New-Evidence-that-Taxes-Stifle-Economic-Output

It’s interesting, but I can’t help but think that there is some problems applying it to subsets.

Pedro

17 Sep 12 at 4:59 pm
shows what general lack of judgement the Right (and constituted by the majority here) currently has

No, it demonstrates beyond any doubt what a bunch of desperate, lying muckrakers lobotomised leftists are.

Not a single shred of credible evidence to support ramjet’s incoherent fantasising.

Reminds me of AGW, which you’re a gullible screeching adherent of as well.

Rabz

17 Sep 12 at 5:00 pm
Rabz! Watch out! The ocean! It’s coming up the Clyde River at Bateman’s Bay! It’ll be in Canberra by the weekend because of the melting arctic icecaps. Ohhhhh Nooooooeeeeesss!!!

Tom

17 Sep 12 at 5:07 pm
Simple question SoB, will melting arctic ice caps contribute to rising sea levels?

Dan

17 Sep 12 at 5:11 pm
Greg Sheridan on Q&A tonight.

Give ‘em hell, Greg. Take no prisoners.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 5:11 pm
Computers made in China come with viruses and trojans built in.
That makes sense, saves so much time in trying to infect them later.

Keith

17 Sep 12 at 5:21 pm
Tony Abbott said the other day in his response to the nasty business that this was only the start of what the ALP will conspire against him. More nasty tricks on the way.

candy

17 Sep 12 at 5:22 pm
For those who’ve missed it upthread, the Bunyip is firing again on Quadrant where he seems to have got himself a spot as occasional guest writer. Can you link it on Bunyipitude please Prof so that we may add congratulations and comments?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

17 Sep 12 at 5:25 pm
Greg Sheridan on Q&A tonight.

Give ‘em hell, Greg. Take no prisoners.

He’ll be drowned out by the ratbag audience and fatty Jones. They’ll shut him up like they do any center right person. In fact I don’t peg Sheridan as a rightie at all in fact. I reckon he’s basically a centrist and he’s had enough of the left wing swill. Sheridan often cops a blast here for his shitty ideas, such as Rudd was a good foreign policy PM. The little turd was awful and Sheridan ought to know better or stop the bullshit.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 5:27 pm
Simple question SoB, will melting arctic ice caps contribute to rising sea levels?

Trick question, Step. Watch out. You would have to know 6th grade science for this one and that would be a stretch.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 5:29 pm
I meant in relation to the lies being touted about Abbott’s past, JC. A subject sure to get a thorough unbalanced airing tonight.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 5:32 pm
Arctic sea ice itself won’t contribute to sea level rise, but there is a small effect in terms of thermal expansion of water and (I guess) the indirect effect of allowing for some faster calving of land glacier ice.

Why am I being asked this?

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 5:38 pm
Thanks JC!

I bet he is busy gogoling the properties of ice at the moment.

Dan

17 Sep 12 at 5:38 pm
Ray Hadley may be a crap caller of League, but when he gets wound up on an issue he does a good job sorting out the policians and senior police:

1. Talks to Barry O’Farrell and gets into him that the police were held from arresting the ring leaders.

Interesting that O’Farrell notes at 7min that based upon history the if police don’t private citizens take matters in their own hands (i.e. he may be referring to Cronulla)

2. Get’s stuck into the police commissioner about the command from police senior command that instructed police on the ground not to arrest the ring leaders.

3. Confirmation that one of the ring leaders is Carneta Matthew’s husband by Channel 7.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 5:39 pm
I meant in relation to the lies being touted about Abbott’s past, JC. A subject sure to get a thorough unbalanced airing tonight.

He should go with a prop – a gag – so when Tony cuts him off he simply put in on to communicate the world what Snow Cone is up to.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 5:42 pm
Why am I being asked this?

Bravo liar!

You knew from your various leftist blog lurking that melting sea ice doesn’t contribute to sea level rise.

You genius you

LOL

JamesK

17 Sep 12 at 5:45 pm
He should go with a prop – a gag – so when Tony cuts him off he simply put in on to communicate the world what Snow Cone is up to.

Yep he should. It will be interesting to see if he does that because I’m sure fatty jones will be up to his old tricks.

It was interesting how Sheridan broke through that crap with bald idiot leftwing partisan, Marius Benson last week.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 5:46 pm
Can I just say that this muzzo problem thing really seem to be a Sydney issue.. as someone pointed it out to me. It’s not a problem in Melbourne in the same way.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 5:48 pm
Nor do glaciers “calve”.

blogstrop

17 Sep 12 at 6:00 pm
Bet ya there are no mussies on Qanda this evening

Tal

17 Sep 12 at 6:03 pm
Bet ya there are no mussies on Qanda this evening

Nope. An Israeli historian, and a prominent Jewish lawyer. Then there’s Clover Moore, and an “author” who rode a camel across the outback and wrote book about it (riveting stuff)

Keith

17 Sep 12 at 6:38 pm
It’s truly amazing how Ramjan never mentioned the punch in her letters when they were “the foremost thing on her mind” yet told that fat shit Hawker. Truly amazing that anyone thinks she has any credibility. Particularly that most learned law lord and penis and hearsay expert, Emeritus Professor StevieLiar QC.

Tiny Dancer

17 Sep 12 at 6:42 pm
Can I just say that this muzzo problem thing really seem to be a Sydney issue.. as someone pointed it out to me. It’s not a problem in Melbourne in the same way.

That’ll change before long, JC.

nilk

17 Sep 12 at 6:46 pm
The Israeli historian sounds like he will be a far left nutjob.

Dangph

17 Sep 12 at 6:47 pm
Nor do glaciers “calve”.

Um, it’s the term used when glaciers produce icebergs… calve

Cold-Hands

17 Sep 12 at 6:49 pm
I heard there the was Muzzi debate on TDT this evening and watched it.

Some muzzo woman “accaused” Joe Hillbrand, who was participating was Jewish, and he corrected her. He’s not. She suggested that people can’t say anything against Jews… which is obviously untrue.

One bearded idiot said he supported free speech as long as no one disrespected da prophet.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 6:49 pm
oops

Some muzzo woman “accused” Joe Hillbrand, who was participating, as being Jewish,

JC

17 Sep 12 at 6:50 pm
The Israeli historian sounds like he will be a far left nutjob.

He is. Fatty Jones gave as intro last week about him.

Are you shocked?

JC

17 Sep 12 at 6:52 pm
One bearded idiot said he supported free speech as long as no one disrespected da prophet.

The prophet (balls be in his mouth) can suck my nuts.

Infidel Tiger

17 Sep 12 at 6:52 pm
The Israeli historian sounds like he will be a far left nutjob.

He is. Fatty Jones gave an intro last week about him.

Are you shocked?

JC

17 Sep 12 at 6:52 pm
Look out IT there’s a 6 year old boy in Sydney that wants to chop your head off

Tal

17 Sep 12 at 7:00 pm
Can’t help thinking that Australian refugee selection only compounds social disruption. I gather we’re taking 1000 Syrian refugees, presumably Sunni Moslems. Then, once Bashir al Assad is overthrown and the payback massacres begin, the refugees from Syria will be Alawites and Christians who will get on with earlier Syrian refugees like a house on fire. Literally.

Shouldn’t we stick to accepting refugees with the best chance of integrating successfully with the existing Australian community? There are thousands of Burmese and Coptic Christians who have already shown as a group that they’ll make much better citizens than Muslims from almost any source in terms of co-existing with the rest of the nation. Hold off any further muslim immigration until we’ve assimilated the one’s we’ve already got- we’re still getting hundreds each month through the porous northern border; there’s no need to add to the influx through other channels.

Cold-Hands

17 Sep 12 at 7:03 pm
Hadley has a shocker today. The dude filling in on the parrot show was better.

Hadley wanted the coppers to spill their guts about tactical decisions. If he asked the military the same, they’d ask him to fuck off.

.

17 Sep 12 at 7:06 pm
Hold off any further muslim immigration until we’ve assimilated the one’s we’ve already got- we’re still getting hundreds each month through the porous northern border; there’s no need to add to the influx through other channels.

The cops/Feds/ASIO reckon this is because of about 25 people.

How about we just come down on them like a tonne of bricks?

.

17 Sep 12 at 7:09 pm
Shouldn’t we stick to accepting refugees with the best chance of integrating successfully with the existing Australian community?

No. That’s waaaaaaaycist!

nilk

17 Sep 12 at 7:10 pm
Bet ya there are no mussies on Qanda this evening

Nope. An Israeli historian, and a prominent Jewish lawyer. Then there’s Clover Moore, and an “author” who rode a camel across the outback and wrote book about it (riveting stuff)

You watch. The audience will feature several pro-Al Qaeda muzzie women in burquas shouting questions as a fuck-you ABC statement to taxpayers.

Tom

17 Sep 12 at 7:13 pm
You’ve got to listen to this.

If you want an amazing run down of what happened in Libya and how the Obama Admin’s story about the death of Ambassador Stevens is just plain b**lshit, listen to this recording from John Hinderaker of Powerlineblog with Brian Ward of Fraters Libertas.

By 8min the run down is complete.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 7:26 pm
The story goes:

* The US embassy is attacked (how did the attackers know the amb will be in Benghazi?)
* The staff evacuate to a safehouse, it comes under attack (though it was supposed to be secret)
* Somehow the amb gets in & the others do not & get killed
* The ambassador dies from smoke inhalation in the safehouse, yet everyone else is ok
* The attackers “disappear” & the good people of Benghazi take the dead ambassador to the hospital (while hundreds take photos of him) – Do muzzies do that with every person that dies?
* Then the safe house goes back under attack and the rescue force from Tripoli has to get them free after a fierce fire fight.

Listen to lawyer John Hinderaker tell the story.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 7:32 pm
Suggested one liner for Greg Sheridan on Q&A tonight:

Can you imagine if Tony Abbott had affairs with two married women with children in his 30s…

Rousie

17 Sep 12 at 7:32 pm
Hadley has a shocker today. The dude filling in on the parrot show was better.

I like it when he gives people in power a hard time. There is no greater threat to our democracy than the practice of politicians getting softball questions. The problem is that we don’t hear more of it.

I agree Chris Smith was better, he also did a good job quizzing people.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 7:36 pm
Leigh Sales was a disgrace this evening

Tal

17 Sep 12 at 7:45 pm
Tal, could you give a sentence on what she did?

Tom

17 Sep 12 at 7:50 pm
Tom, she(oops are allowed to say she)interviewed a hizb ut tahrir rep,it was pathetic,I’ll try to find a link

Tal

17 Sep 12 at 7:58 pm
Tal, I’m guessing it was closer to the fawning upon David Marr side of the scale of hostility than the snarling at Tony Abbott?

Token

17 Sep 12 at 8:07 pm
I thought Leigh Sales was fairly effective initially. She started well by presenting the Caliphate chap with an anti-semitic reference from his website. He blustered his way out of that, and Sales sort of let him do a PR talk for a Caliphate after that. She had a sort of blonde interview really.

Julian O'Dea

17 Sep 12 at 8:14 pm
Its understandable Julian, she only really gets fired up when faced with people with integrity and principles.

Token

17 Sep 12 at 8:15 pm
Recent attacks on coalition forces in Afghanistan have killed a lot of soldiers and wrecked valuable aircraft – and those guys were disguised in US uniforms! The response of the top brass is to issue instructions on greater cultural sensitivity.

blogstrop

17 Sep 12 at 8:17 pm
Token, I might take some time away from the ABC,it makes me angry,I don’t do anger very well

Tal

17 Sep 12 at 8:18 pm
If the hizbut dude had punched a wall…….

Tal

17 Sep 12 at 8:20 pm
Julian as hard hitting as usual. I think he’s a plant.

blogstrop

17 Sep 12 at 8:21 pm
Julian as hard hitting as usual. I think he’s a plant.

What was wrong with his comment?

Seemed spot on to me.

The other question is whether ABC should have had the fuckwit on national tv in the first place (the guest I mean).

JamesK

17 Sep 12 at 8:30 pm
I am a plant?

Here is an interesting Caliphate website, some of which looks like wish-fulfillment with (I assume) imaginary newspaper reports:

http://www.hizb-australia.org/events/item/372-khilafah-conference-2012

Julian O'Dea

17 Sep 12 at 8:30 pm
What do you think of Belmont Club, Julian?

blogstrop

17 Sep 12 at 8:31 pm
What is Belmont Club?

Julian O'Dea

17 Sep 12 at 8:33 pm
That’s a fine article, Pedro. What’s Australias total tax take?

Bob Sewell

17 Sep 12 at 8:33 pm
For someone who was so fast on the negative about Ann Barhardt you are ignorant of Belmont Club?

blogstrop

17 Sep 12 at 8:35 pm
I know of Ann Barnhardt through my reading in the American Manosphere, where she is famous for her views on women’s suffrage. She is against it.

Do you want an URL with her views?

Julian O'Dea

17 Sep 12 at 8:41 pm
Think I might ditch QandA for the season return of Person of Interest.

dd

17 Sep 12 at 8:46 pm
George Christensen considers kids be removed from parents who think they should be junior jihadis.

Here is his actual media release:

Jihad children ‘should be removed’
AUTHORITIES should act immediately, without fear or favour, to track down the parents of the weekend protest’s poster child, according to Federal Member for Dawson, George Christensen.
The toddler was pictured holding up a placard reading: “Behead all those who insult the prophet” at the violent Sydney protests.
Mr Christensen also said authorities should do likewise with the parents of eight-year-old Ruqya, who called on the nation’s youth to join in the jihad at the radical Hizb ut-Tahrir conference in Sydney on the weekend.
“Kids of this age should be playing hide and seek, not calling for jihad or beheadings,” Mr Christensen said.
“Using a toddler to peddle an incitement to violent killing is disgusting and I think the Australian public would expect the authorities to take up the matter with the parents,” he said.
“If the parents are exposing their children to religious hatred and encouraging violence then perhaps those children should be put in the care of better people.”
He said the same treatment should apply in this situation as it would apply in any other where a child was exposed to such a violent upbringing.
“We must question what rights the parents have to bring up a child in a household that actively incites racial or religious hatred and violence or killing. I have no doubt similar circumstances in the wider community would see a child removed from the care of such parents.
“It would not be tolerated in any other circumstances and it shouldn’t be tolerated here.”
ENDS
Monday, 17 September 2012

nilk

17 Sep 12 at 8:56 pm
The manosphere? Sounds like something SfB needs to get into. As far as the blogosphere is concerned, and particularly for those of a conservative inclination, Belmont Club is one of the best around.

Blogstrop

17 Sep 12 at 9:00 pm
I know of Ann Barnhardt through my reading in the American Manosphere, where she is famous for her views on women’s suffrage. She is against it.

Do you want an URL with her views?

Yes please. I love that woman.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 9:00 pm
I have to say that the muzzo community is the most tiresome, boring, drama queens we have here.

What a bunch of freaking dullards.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 9:03 pm
Julian I think Barnhardt has a point with what she says about women’s suffrage and its unintended consequences.

As she points out, the man is undermined as the head of the family, excessive state welfare and no-fault divorce make it easier to leave a marriage than stay.

People vote for what they want, not what would be best for their society, especially when they can vote themselves extra benefits.

Add in benefits that can often be more generous for single parents than married, and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.

nilk

17 Sep 12 at 9:09 pm
Token, I might take some time away from the ABC,it makes me angry,I don’t do anger very well

My feelings as well Tal, it has been 4 months…

Token

17 Sep 12 at 9:26 pm
nilk, I didn’t say I disagreed with her on female suffrage. I can see arguments both ways. My objection to her was that she abused the American cardinals. Cardinal Dolan in particular seems to me to be doing a good job. It is easy, as they say, to be critical.

For her views on women’s suffrage, go to the 1 September postings on the topic at her blog:

http://barnhardt.biz/

Julian O'Dea

17 Sep 12 at 9:30 pm
No. That’s waaaaaaaycist!

Ah, but I’m an ethnic. It’s not racist if a person of colour* says it.

*While I’ve been called white inside, I’m a non-caucasian. That means I’m entitled. /sarc off

Cold-Hands

17 Sep 12 at 9:48 pm
How enjoyable is it watching Q&A to see someone at uni at Tone’s time saying he’s not surprised at the Ramjan allegation.

Quite enjoyable.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 9:48 pm
Cardinal Dolan has been accepting of some serious liturgical abuses, and his invitation to Barry Obama to be a keynote speaker at the main Catholic fundraising dinner for the year has really riled up the masses.

It makes no sense at all for the Cardinal to play nice with the man who hates his Church and is doing his damndest to break her. (It won’t work, of course, but that’s not the point).

nilk

17 Sep 12 at 9:52 pm
StevieLiar QC, you might get lucky and someone will start talking about his penis. Now wouldn’t that be a lot more than just quite enjoyable?

Tiny Dancer

17 Sep 12 at 9:52 pm
LOL, Cold Hands. You score higher than I do. I’m white, so I default to ‘racist’ automatically.

nilk

17 Sep 12 at 9:54 pm
Well, that’s Tone done for tonight. Jones seemed quite pleased how it went.

Heh heh.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 9:54 pm
“Abbott was physical but I never saw any violence”. Fuck me. Who is this clown? I thought counsel were supposed to be robust.

Tiny Dancer

17 Sep 12 at 9:54 pm
Clover Moore looks a trannie. What’s with the hair?

JC

17 Sep 12 at 9:55 pm
“Abbott was physical but I never saw any violence”. Fuck me

Lol Yea.. another bald idiot. It’s surprising Sheridan didn’t pick him up on that.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 9:57 pm
It’s a “statement”, JC.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 9:57 pm
nilk, I have seen Cdl Dolan on EWTN and discussed on Mark Shea’s blog, IIRC, and been impressed. I think he has a tough job. It is easy for Ann Barnhardt, who is responsible only to herself, to be purist.

Julian O'Dea

17 Sep 12 at 9:59 pm
It’s also a load of laughs to listen to someone from Socialist Left days joke about The Slapper breaking up two marriages, with kids, while acting the part of a feminist! Laugh, could have died!

And then another mate from those days being amazed that someone who should have been struck off managing to be pre-selected for a safe ALP seat. Perhaps there is another family she broke up that we don’t know about! It’s all so enjoyable.

But then the biggest giggle is about the dishonest, hypocritical vermin who think this is all OK..

Lazlo

17 Sep 12 at 10:00 pm
Sadly for StevieLiar QC there was no cock talk. Go and put something frilly on, your husband has needs box head

Tiny Dancer

17 Sep 12 at 10:01 pm
nilk, I often say to Americans that Australian women have used their vote more wisely than American women. Any thoughts?

Julian O'Dea

17 Sep 12 at 10:02 pm
How enjoyable is it watching Q&A to see someone at uni at Tone’s time saying he’s not surprised at the Ramjan allegation.

Yes, coz Ramjan and the truth rarely cross paths.

BTW, I’d love those student mags to be online. I’d love to know Ramjan’s opinion on the Khmer Rouge.

Come on – hard lefty in the late 70′s, peer of Khmer Rouge apologist David McKnight in the ANU. What’s the name of that magazine again?

Token

17 Sep 12 at 10:02 pm
Who the heck first mentioned Barnhardt with any sense of approval? I’ve just had a look at her site and she is an absolute nutter. There was one line I spotted about the evil of fractional reserve banking. She’s like a religious Graham Bird, if he lived in American and could fill every spare room with guns and ammo, as she appears to have done in anticipation of the immanent collapse of the USA.

An absolute nutter.

steve from brisbane

17 Sep 12 at 10:06 pm
Excellent essay by Victor Davis Hanson.

The Premodern Middle East and Postmodern West Don’t Mix, Mr. President

Globalization certainly did not bring the premodern world of the Middle East closer together with the postmodern West — despite Barack Obama’s 2007 narcissistic vows that his own intellect and background could bridge such a gap. If anything, the more we know about each other, the more we sense we are back to Lepanto and the siege of Vienna. Since the 9/11 anniversary attacks, the Obama administration has seemed bewildered, petulant, and more or less shocked in Casablanca-style fashion about the hatred shown the United States — whether overt among the Arab Street, or implicit among Arab governments’ wink-and-nod inability to protect U.S. embassies. It apparently forgot some basic rules about how to deal with radical Islam, and instead regressed back to the old familiar appeasement that led to 9/11/2001.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 10:13 pm
Clover Moore looks a trannie. What’s with the hair?

She’s looked like this for years. It’s how she identifies with her gay/lesbian/Green constituency.

Cold-Hands

17 Sep 12 at 10:14 pm
But didn’t Leigh stick it to that guy on 7.30! She chose to ignore the whole thing about the Caliphate, Sharia law, banning of American ambassadors anywhere muslim.. Why? Because she was hunting for any notion that he may or may not have read something. Then she would have really gone for it!

But as it happened it was a total subjection.

The vermin on this site would have loved it.

Lazlo

17 Sep 12 at 10:15 pm
There is nothing wrong with guns, especially in the context of the castle doctrine.

There is nothing wrong with realising that the Government uses inflation as a stealth tax through fiscal drag.

Steve is for a pacifist society of victims under the thumb of capricious Government.

.

17 Sep 12 at 10:16 pm
Do we still have a castle doctrine? Apart from in the title of that movie?

Julian O'Dea

17 Sep 12 at 10:19 pm
You score higher than I do. I’m white, so I default to ‘racist’ automatically.

Nice link. I hadn’t seen the hierachy of victimhood with numerical values displayed. Unfortunately, the best hand I can play only adds up to, I think, nine

Cold-Hands

17 Sep 12 at 10:31 pm
Do we still have a castle doctrine? Apart from in the title of that movie?

Priperty rights are trashed in this country.

Only even worse under Liebore

JamesK

17 Sep 12 at 10:32 pm
Do we still have a castle doctrine? Apart from in the title of that movie?

Property rights are trashed in this country.

Only even worse under Liebore

JamesK

17 Sep 12 at 10:32 pm
Who is the stupid woman with the red cape? I know she’s a fiction author. She has absolutely nothing to say.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 10:33 pm
Who is the stupid woman with the red cape? I know she’s a fiction author. She has absolutely nothing to say.

She’s an elitist leftist progressive who is clueless and distasteful

I approve of her being on the panel.

JamesK

17 Sep 12 at 10:34 pm
So Tony Jones hosted an extremist anti-Israeli historian – on the one day of the year when Jews aren’t allowed to watch TV or participate in TV audiences. Nice work, Tone. The reason?
“This was the only night that he was able to appear on Q and A.” Yeah, right.

Luckily someone called in with a video question and busted him on it.

dd

17 Sep 12 at 10:39 pm
Luckily someone called in with a video question and busted him on it.

LOL did they? Now that’s worth watching…on the ‘net tomorrow. I’m too busy watching the return of Boardwalk Empire, 3rd series.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 10:41 pm
A taste of the American “manosphere”:

http://shiningpearlsofsomething.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/anonymous-letter.html

Julian O'Dea

17 Sep 12 at 10:43 pm
FMD I shoould really stop watching Q & A, not good for the health.

I’ve never seen such a blatant diplay of rabid anti-semitism. They even slipped in that old conspiracy theory of the Joooz controlling the west and the media.

For fucks sake – imagine if they carried on about the muslims that way.

papachango

17 Sep 12 at 10:44 pm
Come now, papachango it wouldn’t be the ABC/Q&A without a good deal of Jew bashing now would it? At least they gave the Catholic bashing a rest this week.

Gab

17 Sep 12 at 10:49 pm
Greg Sheridan and Irving Wallach won the night. Even so, the crowd couldn’t stop clapping everything that came out of Ilan Pappe’s mouth.

Good thing that the QandA crowd is completely unbiased. (except for no Jews, on account of a Jewish holiday)

dd

17 Sep 12 at 10:51 pm
yeah but this was a bit more blatant then normal. They outdid Lee Rhiannon. Amazing how they sucked up to the Muslims though ‘the police could have acted more smoothly’

papachango

17 Sep 12 at 10:51 pm
Why didn’t someone ask Ilan Pappe the direct question – do you support the existence of the state of Israel, a country recognised by the UN (who he says he ‘trusts’) since 1948?

papachango

17 Sep 12 at 10:54 pm
papa, I thought they nailed him pretty clearly on several fronts.
That would have been an excellent thing to pin him down on, except that Tone wasted time by asking him a series of friendly questions that merely gave him a platform to espouse his views unchallenged (for a while, anyway).

dd

17 Sep 12 at 10:58 pm
Who is the stupid woman with the red cape? I know she’s a fiction author. She has absolutely nothing to say.

Robyn Whatsit, the Camel Woman who trecked across the continent in the late 70s.

No idea why she was invited on, except that in the end she said she fully fell for the Anti-Israeli narrative so arduously promoted by Jones and the ABC this evening..

Lazlo

17 Sep 12 at 10:59 pm
Who is the stupid woman with the red cape? I know she’s a fiction author. She has absolutely nothing to say.

Robyn Whatsit, the Camel Woman who trecked across the continent in the late 70s.

No idea why she was invited on, except that in the end she said she fully fell for the Anti-Israeli narrative so arduously promoted by Jones and the ABC this evening..

Lazlo

17 Sep 12 at 10:59 pm
she had sod all to add apart from agreeing with Ilan papper and Clover moore. Not one single original thought – just there to make up the usual leftist quota of 4 against 2

papachango

17 Sep 12 at 11:06 pm
Why didn’t someone ask Ilan Pappe the direct question – do you support the existence of the state of Israel, a country recognised by the UN (who he says he ‘trusts’) since 1948?

Clover Moore almost jumped the wall but then fell back into line. She raised the issue of how Australia caused dispossession among the aboriginals and then curved balled it to talk about da reconciliation. The part about dispossession is true. The US, Canada, NZ Sth America, borders changing everywhere….. the world is replete with this sort of thing. Yet as Sheridan said, it’s only Israel that is treated differently where its very existence is questioned (by the Western Left). Moore didn’t go there because she’s far too busy building bike tracks everywhere and she’s a show pony asshat.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 11:10 pm
Robyn Whatsit, the Camel Woman who trecked across the continent in the late 70s.

Oh Okay, she’s no a fiction writer then. So she road a camel and she now an expert on international relations and shit like that? Fme.

You could come of an Alzheimer wing of a teaching Hospital. As long as you’re a leftwing retard Jones will have you on the program and the retarded audience will clap.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 11:15 pm
WSJ: The Magnitude of the Mess We’re In
The next Treasury secretary will confront problems so daunting that even Alexander

Sometimes a few facts tell important stories. The American economy now is full of facts that tell stories that you really don’t want, but need, to hear.

Where are we now?

Did you know that annual spending by the federal government now exceeds the 2007 level by about $1 trillion? With a slow economy, revenues are little changed. The result is an unprecedented string of federal budget deficits, $1.4 trillion in 2009, $1.3 trillion in 2010, $1.3 trillion in 2011, and another $1.2 trillion on the way this year. The four-year increase in borrowing amounts to $55,000 per U.S. household.

The amount of debt is one thing. The burden of interest payments is another. The Treasury now has a preponderance of its debt issued in very short-term durations, to take advantage of low short-term interest rates. It must frequently refinance this debt which, when added to the current deficit, means Treasury must raise $4 trillion this year alone. So the debt burden will explode when interest rates go up.

The government has to get the money to finance its spending by taxing or borrowing. While it might be tempting to conclude that we can just tax upper-income people, did you know that the U.S. income tax system is already very progressive? The top 1% pay 37% of all income taxes and 50% pay none.

Did you know that, during the last fiscal year, around three-quarters of the deficit was financed by the Federal Reserve? Foreign governments accounted for most of the rest, as American citizens’ and institutions’ purchases and sales netted to about zero. The Fed now owns one in six dollars of the national debt, the largest percentage of GDP in history, larger than even at the end of World War II.

The Fed has effectively replaced the entire interbank money market and large segments of other markets with itself.

RTWT

JamesK

17 Sep 12 at 11:16 pm
The next Treasury secretary will confront problems so daunting that even Alexander Hamilton would have trouble preserving the full faith and credit of the United States

JamesK

17 Sep 12 at 11:17 pm
Why didn’t someone ask Ilan Pappe the direct question – do you support the existence of the state of Israel, a country recognised by the UN (who he says he ‘trusts’) since 1948?

I think he would have said he supports a one-state solution. I think he would sell out his own people in exchange for elevating his own status amongst the intelligentsia.

Dangph

17 Sep 12 at 11:19 pm
You could come of an Alzheimer wing of a teaching Hospital. As long as you’re a leftwing retard Jones will have you on the program and the retarded audience will clap.

It’s just a matter time before they get on Code Pink or Queers for Palestine.

Dangph

17 Sep 12 at 11:21 pm
Good new Romney ad – what he would do

JamesK

17 Sep 12 at 11:21 pm
Rep. Ryan: New Fed policy a ‘bailout’ for Obama economy and JC

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said the Federal Reserve’s latest policy shift amounts to a “bailout” of the economy under President Obama.

Speaking at a campaign event in Oldsmar, Fla., Mitt Romney’s vice presidential candidate lambasted the Fed’s recent decision to try and do more to boost the economy as “sugar high economics.”

“We don’t need synthetic money creation. We need economic growth. We want wealth creation,” he said. “We don’t want to print money. We want opportunity and growth.”

JamesK

17 Sep 12 at 11:23 pm
Queers for Palestine

Yes I’ve never got that. I’d love just five minutes to ask them some questions about what the f… they’re on about…

papachango

17 Sep 12 at 11:29 pm
Devastating character assessment of 19yo Abbott from the Chrome Dome: “Abbott was known to be fond of his beer…”

Where the fuck do they find these deadshits? Please bomb us Towelheads, we deserve it.

Infidel Tiger

17 Sep 12 at 11:47 pm
Rep. Ryan: New Fed policy a ‘bailout’ for Obama economy and JC

Lol

I don’t need a bailout. I’m fine. I can trade bear and bull markets with equal aplomb and dignity, although bull markets are better and more fun.

Look, if uncle Ben hadn’t announced QE3 the other day, I’d have been short thereafter and made money.

JC

17 Sep 12 at 11:49 pm
Yes I’ve never got that. I’d love just five minutes to ask them some questions about what the f… they’re on about…

I went to the Queers for Palestine web site once. They have a FAQ. But they didn’t answer the obvious WTF?! question.

I think it’s just a demonstration of advanced progressivism. They clearly hold a very difficult position, and that signals to the other luvvies how admirable they are. At the same time there is very little cost to them, so it’s a pretty good deal. They don’t face a lot of danger holding that position in Berkeley, California.

Dangph

17 Sep 12 at 11:52 pm
I was pleasantly surprised at Clover Moore not taking the bait. Maybe she’s a smart politician and knows a sucker trap when she sees one.

dd

18 Sep 12 at 12:16 am
Saw on the Tween News…

‘Muslim leaders’ have warned of an upsurge of vilification and are advising Muslims not to hesitate to call the police. Also, the same ‘Muslim leaders’ have met to discuss plans to boost security at Sydney mosques.

The tricks of these despicable frauds never change.

C.L.

18 Sep 12 at 12:21 am
Saw only brief snippets of Q&A. Would I be right in concluding that loony bishop-baiter Tony Jones conducted a symposium of sycophantic indulgence towards the left’s de facto official religion (Islam)?

C.L.

18 Sep 12 at 12:24 am
Jaysus – from the queers for palestine website:

In February, speakers from ASWAT – Palestinian Gay Women, al Qaws for Sexual and Gender Diversity in Palestine, and Palestinian Queers for BDS spoke to over 700 people in San Francisco and Berkeley, as part of a highly successful national tour. They talked about how harmful “pinkwashing” – the Zionist efforts to portray Israel as the only queer-friendly democracy in the Middle East, is to their struggle for equality and recognition

.

Fuck me. OK boys and girls, whatevs. It’s all a Jewish-controlled media conspiracy and Palestine is actually a model of liberalism and tolerance for diversity of sexuality. No why don’t y’all go to the Gaza strip and hang with those Hamas boys who are so open minded…

Jesus wept…

papachango

18 Sep 12 at 12:30 am
I be right in concluding that loony bishop-baiter Tony Jones conducted a symposium of sycophantic indulgence towards the left’s de facto official religion (Islam)?

That was the first third of the show. The second third was basically an anti-Jewish hatefest

papachango

18 Sep 12 at 12:51 am
You’re invited to imagine the future caseload that our touchy-feely Green-Left Marxist open-borders immigration policy has created for ASIO:

Professor (Clive) Williams told a Sydney security conference that Australian authorities needed to be wary of attempts to groom young children for hatred with “seductive” promises of paradise in the afterlife as happened in countries such as Pakistan. He said the nation’s immigrant population needed “careful management” as technology and social media made radicalisation easier, increasing the risk of home-grown or lone-wolf style terror attacks.

Professor Williams yesterday told The Australian he did not consider the problem a “failure of multiculturalism” but said more work “clearly needs to be done.”

“The little boy who was handed that sign during the riot probably couldn’t even read it,” he said.

“The problem here is much more among young men who might fall under the spell of more charismatic and influential members of the community who want to lead them into trouble, particularly where these young men are unemployed or from a low socio-economic background.”

Tom

18 Sep 12 at 2:24 am
To be a member of the “Washington Post Writers Group”, there is only one prerequisite qualification for entry: the confused collective morality of the socialists must never be questioned, especially when they’re in power, and non-socialists must always be denigrated. Kathleen Parker understands the mission perfectly:

This is most certainly why Mitt Romney decided to enter the fray, for which he has been variously pilloried and heralded. Put me in the pillory column. His comments condemning President Obama’s “apologist” foreign policy were premature, inappropriate and too politically motivated to be effective either as proper criticism or as a campaign manoeuvre.

Attempting to clarify, Romney’s foreign policy adviser, Rich Williamson, subsequently asserted that events would have been different under a President Romney. Perhaps, but might we use the same powers of extrapolation to infer that 9/11 wouldn’t have occurred if George W. Bush hadn’t been president?

Obama critics have long held that his post-exceptionalist, lead-from-behind model only invites contempt in the Middle East. Since no policy thus far seems to have been very effective, we’ll have to rely on history for more information. On principle, meanwhile, Romney would have been better advised to keep his own counsel pending clarity – always the wiser course.

What we clearly must not convey to the Muslim world is that either a random, Koran-burning zealot or an anti-Muhammad filmmaker is remotely relevant to our foreign policy. By apologising – and later by Romney’s commenting – we made events more of an American problem than they were, as The Washington Post’s David Ignatius recently noted. And we lent unnecessary gravity and impetus to the conduct of imbeciles.

Tom

18 Sep 12 at 3:19 am
The chief Australian recruiter for Allah’s bomb squad is busy rehearsing his lines for a post-riot address to the faithful in Auburn tomorrow:

He gained notoriety for blaming women for being rape victims and for his “Death Series” $150 boxed set of 15 DVDs which contained racist rants. The father-of-six, who claimed he was being persecuted for being a Muslim, returned to Sydney from self-imposed exile overseas in 2010.

Other notable comments from the sheik include his belief that jihad is the “peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point” of Islam and the Kaffir – or non-Muslim – is “the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt”.

Tom

18 Sep 12 at 4:27 am
John McTernan’s “dirt unit” gets a helping hand from Labor pollster Essential Research and Michelle Grattan:

Despite Malcolm Turnbull being more than twice as popular as Mr Abbott as preferred Liberal leader, there is no leadership stirring.

”There is no question of any leadership issues at the moment,” said one Liberal, who also saw little prospect of a change in the Abbott style. ”He is who he is.”

Another said: ”Tony is the stamp of the man he is,” adding that he had a problem with women. ”The blokes don’t dislike him. He’s a bloke’s bloke.”

Tom

18 Sep 12 at 5:00 am
Julian, that link to Shining Pearls I approve. It’s in line with what my wife would say, and has been for some time – that the feminists and feminisation have been bad for society. And she would have been on side with them in the beginning, like many young people. But some of us change our views with age and experience, observing what works and what doesn’t.
There will be a certain sort of woman who doesn’t like Tony Abbott – Michelle Grattan, Clover Moore ( spot on, JC), Leigh Sales, Tanya Plibersek, Catherine Deveny … And no doubt others. But out there in voterland there are real women like my wife who will see a man they can respect.
As usual, I fear the two point difference a corrupt media can have in a close election. We have to wait and see how close the next one is. Probably not that close. But the left will not sleep, they will continue to try and indoctrinatenas many as possible until the votes are in.
It was Anthony Green last week, interviewed on the media show with Richard Aedy who said he doesn’t give polls much consideration. He regards them as of little consequence. I think they are useful to the propagandists as we’ve seen this past few days, but it may be of more interest to see the two party preferred after the weekend’s islamo shenanigans.

Blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 6:39 am
@Julian from last night. re Cardinal Dolan vs. Ann Barnhardt.

While I appreciate that the Cardinal is in a more visible, more weighty position than Barhardt, so his actions correspondingly carry more weight. He should be leading and feeding his flock. Do you believe that he would refuse the Eucharist to someone he knew to be an unrepentant sinner? I’m thinking of Dianne Quinn here. She’s drawn her line in the sand, and can we honestly say that the Cardinal will step over it and confront her?

That’s something I’m not sure of, and that’s my issue with him.

We know full well where where Cardinal Pell stands, for instance. The Rainbow Sashers tried years ago to force his hand on that sort of thing – crashing Mass and demanding Communion – and didn’t get the response they sought.

I’m not sure that Aussie women have handled the responsibility of voting better than American women, either. We have a much smaller population and there are some of those cultural differences. Far too many numpties voting for the Red Dalek, for example, because she’s a woman. That’s got to be the most stupid thing I’ve heard for a while.

Morons.

Of course, that view also ranks with the numbskulls who voted Green at the last election because they weren’t sure about Lib or ALP and didn’t like them anyway. Not that they bothered to read the policies.

nilk

18 Sep 12 at 6:52 am
Dyke/fag hag Labor Senator Louise Pratt is upset the lying slapper won’t let her marry ex-girl transvestite and science experiment Aram Hosie:

Labor Senator Louise Pratt fought back tears in parliament as she spoke about being prevented by law from marrying her transgender partner.

In an emotional contribution to the debate on a gay marriage bill she co-sponsored with three other Labor Senators, Senator Pratt appealed to her fellow Senators to remember gay and lesbian Australians when they were deciding how to vote.

“We exist. We already exist… all we ask is that you stop pretending that we don’t. That you stop pretending that our relationships are not as real as yours, our love as true, our children as cherished and our families as precious. Because they are,” she said.

Tom

18 Sep 12 at 7:10 am
Bunyip is on fire

Helen Armstrong

18 Sep 12 at 7:18 am
So she road a camel and she now an expert on international relations and shit like that? Fme.

I have shot heaps of camels, why wasn’t I on there (Q&A) as an expert international on camels and their riders and eaters?

Helen Armstrong

18 Sep 12 at 7:23 am
The Bunyip is in fine form. Loved that line about Grattan’s ear trumpet.

Blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 7:37 am
@Tom

Kathleen Parker is a waste of space.

With friends like these …

She’s the type when elected that caused voters to get really angry with the GOP and create a third force The Tea Party to rescue the country.

JamesK

18 Sep 12 at 7:48 am
sorry Token, my bad, I just saw you linked to bunyip

Helen Armstrong

18 Sep 12 at 8:07 am
Barnhardt with any sense of approval?

I like her colour co-ordinated rifle. And her courage. Wish some of our pollies had that, instead of PW (Politically Wrong) apologist Bambi socialist latte sandalista malthusian sentiments.

Helen Armstrong

18 Sep 12 at 8:12 am
Victoria Police just assumed it would be OK to use transport smart cards as tracking devices for miscreants:

TTA chief executive Bernie Carolan said police were handed information only when justified. ”Strong privacy controls are maintained at the TTA and any release of data to, for example, the police is only granted when sufficient justification is given. Release of the data is always approved by TTA senior management,” he said.

It’s not until you leave the country that you realise how far advanced the fascist state is in Australia.

Tom

18 Sep 12 at 8:12 am
Helen, go ahead and link to the Great Bunyip.

We should never be precious about such links, it is not as if it is my work.

Token

18 Sep 12 at 8:17 am
”Strong privacy controls are maintained at the TTA”

Aren’t they always!?

“Release of the data is always approved by TTA senior management,”

Ever heard of a warrant.

Australia isn’t a liberal democracy. There are just too many liberal democratic principles that have been violated to retain that title.

John Mc

18 Sep 12 at 8:19 am
“Strong privacy controls are maintained at the TTA”

Aren’t they always!?

Is that code for the security is so flimsy even the Age can hack into it (and therefore will)?

Token

18 Sep 12 at 8:36 am
Heard on JJJ news this morning:

1. A federal gubberment “assistance package” for the now unemployed Queensland taxeaters

2. Grub Oakeshitt demanding vehicle congestion charging in our major cities

FFS, will this nightmare ever end?

Rabz

18 Sep 12 at 8:37 am
successful, strong women in politics.

Wonder what Julie Bishop and Petra think about that inane comment?

Helen Armstrong

18 Sep 12 at 8:42 am
FFS – I wasn’t imagining things…

Queensland taxeaters made redundant in the state gubberment’s jobs purge will be helped through an $850,000 assistance package from the feral gubberment.

Altogether now – “What an inexcusable waste of taxpayers’ money“.

Rabz

18 Sep 12 at 8:46 am
Grub Oakeshitt demanding vehicle congestion charging in our major cities

FFS, will this nightmare ever end?

In the short run he put the slapper in power, in the long run he’s made real conservatives aware of the danger of agrian socialists love taxing other people.

Token

18 Sep 12 at 8:46 am
Wonder what Julie Bishop and Petra think about that inane comment?

They are conservative women, on the victim deck of playing cards they negative & therefore open to any vile abuse.

Token

18 Sep 12 at 8:48 am
Queensland taxeaters made redundant in the state gubberment’s jobs purge will be helped through an $850,000 assistance package from the feral gubberment.

That’s around $61 per head. Yep, that’ll do wonders.
Plus, how much in administration costs to implement this farce?

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 8:50 am
That’s around $61 per head*. Yep, that’ll do wonders.

Legends, Gab, fucking fiscal legends.

*Be almost a lifetime’s supply of tissues though, would it not?

Rabz

18 Sep 12 at 8:54 am
Cut & Paste captures how shrill Abbott hater Sam Maiden who was revealed by Gerard Henderson in her attempt to intimidate him:

Letter from Gerard Henderson to Samantha Maiden, September 13:

SAMANTHA, I refer to your (somewhat agitated) phone call on Tuesday at around 11am in response to my column … You were emphatic that I was wrong in claiming that Barbara Ramjan had spoken to the Sun-Herald in July 2004. When I said I would check my clippings, you replied in words to this effect: “Don’t bother checking, Gerard. You’re wrong.” … You will remember that I read you the relevant section of the article by Kerry-Ann Walsh and Candice Sutton (July 18, 2004), viz: Barbara Ramjan, now a social worker, who defeated Mr Abbott for the SRC presidency that year, remembers (emphasis added) the night of September 7, 1977 when officer elections were held. As I pointed out to you, the use of the present tense by Ms Walsh and Ms Sutton clearly indicates that Barbara Ramjan did speak to the Sun-Herald in 2004.

Maiden, The Sunday Telegraph, last Sunday:

WHEN I read the heavily edited Walsh-Sutton piece, I was convinced they hadn’t spoken to Ramjan as the only quotes were from the student paper, Honi Soit. But I was wrong. Ramjan’s quotes were cut from the published article.

Let’s read the whole quote and see how dodgy Maiden is:

Ten years ago she sat for more than an hour in Sydney’s Bar Italia at Leichhardt with journalist Andrew West. She remembers telling West the story and him not even writing it down. West concedes he was far more interested in the mystery woman who had given birth to Abbott’s child.

Both now concede the discussion was at times off the record, with Ramjan reluctant to embarrass her husband Greg James, QC, then a NSW Supreme Court judge, by courting public controversy.

Note how West does not acknowledge that she actually said it?

Slimy and disgusting.

Token

18 Sep 12 at 8:57 am
If laybore wants to reposition itself to become the dominant party in Australian politics it will need to find a modus vivendi with the greenslime

I am speechless – these people are stark raving bonkers…

Oh and again, your taxes are paying for this idiocy.

Rabz

18 Sep 12 at 9:00 am
‘Remove that prophet-hating video clip or it’s another 9/11 on the way”.

Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah made a rare public appearance on Monday to tell the United States it would face more anger and grave repercussions across the Muslim world unless it suppressed a film that demeans the Prophet Mohammad.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/letting_terrorists_dictate_what_we_may_read_or_see/

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 9:01 am
Queensland taxeaters made redundant in the state gubberment’s jobs purge will be helped through an $850,000 assistance package from the feral gubberment.

They must be really trying to shore up their support in QLD. I suppose a couple of news headlines now and over the next few months reiterating that Libs will try to balance the budget at the expense of the parasite class is good value at $850K. Even when a promised budget surplus is becoming harder to find than rocking-horse crap.

John Mc

18 Sep 12 at 9:02 am
Shrill Abbott hater had one of the most boring and little read blogs at the Australian, yet one day she actually got 300+ comments for this:

HERE’S a tip for Tony Abbott. It’s never a terrific look for a bloke to make jokes about a woman and whether or not “no means no”.

Most of the comments were the same. WTF, how did you turn that into an attack?

Notice how in the Daily Telegraph she is a coward like Grattan, she smears and slimes and does not allow comments as she knows she’ll be called out like she was back in 2010.

Token

18 Sep 12 at 9:02 am
She remembers telling West the story and him not even writing it down.

Well, how convenient is that li’l ‘factlet’?

Shameless bullshit artists.

Rabz

18 Sep 12 at 9:03 am
Link to the Shrill Abbott-Hater‘s blog in The Oz

Token

18 Sep 12 at 9:03 am
I support gay marriage but I gotta say, I’m confused by this

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/gay-marriage-bill-personal-for-senator-20120917-262c8.html

Labor Senator Louise Pratt fought back tears in parliament as she spoke about being prevented by law from marrying her transgender partner.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/gay-marriage-bill-personal-for-senator-20120917-262c8.html#ixzz26lxRL6QP

jtfsoon

18 Sep 12 at 9:25 am
Queensland taxeaters made redundant in the state gubberment’s jobs purge will be helped through an $850,000 assistance package from the feral gubberment.

Newman should offer a package to Queensland Federal public servants who are about to be sacked by Swan.

C.L.

18 Sep 12 at 9:29 am
A $850k stunt. The money to be blown on a “jobs fair”.
What a joke. So a bunch of federal pubes will visit Brisbane, and “assist” ex-Qld pubes for a few days. That’ll chew up most of that money. Shorten really takes pomposity to the extreme.

Keith

18 Sep 12 at 9:33 am
The money to be blown on a “jobs fair”.

I hear Gina is looking for 1700 workers.

I hear the feral government has also approved importing workers for the Tourism Industry. Not sure how many are needed now but back in 2010 there were 36,000 positions shortfall.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 9:38 am
Hmmmm…

Just had a very interesting discussion with The Mole™.

More to follow…

Rabz

18 Sep 12 at 9:46 am
What a joke. So a bunch of federal pubes will visit Brisbane, and “assist” ex-Qld pubes for a few days. That’ll chew up most of that money.

Geez – that li’l gabfest will cause a blowout in ‘carbon’ emissions…

Rabz

18 Sep 12 at 9:48 am
It’s a shame that these people with the photographic memories who attended uni at the same time as Tony Abbott didn’t also attend Harvard or Columbia during Obama’s time. Nobody in his class remembers him at all!

Devastating character assessment of 19yo Abbott from the Chrome Dome: “Abbott was known to be fond of his beer…”

St Hubbins

18 Sep 12 at 10:01 am
The following assertions were made by The Mole™:

Dullard is indeed, back Baby, BACK!

She was gone for all money, but she’s got some momentum. No early election, she’ll be holding on as long as possible. Attacks on the greenslime a positive for laybore as are the ramjet allegations. New policy initiatives also a plus.

Ruff keeping his powder dry – can strike at any time. Instant election if he returns.

Yabbott in a corner and losing momentum – what can he do at the moment that opens up new fronts in the attack on the gubberment?

Rabz

18 Sep 12 at 10:03 am
Don’t keep us in suspense, you bastard, Rabz.
Spill ya guts.

Bob Sewell

18 Sep 12 at 10:04 am
Krugman talks about QE3, and how the Right hates Ben Bernanke.

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 10:08 am
$850k?

What a joke.

I’ll reiterate again.

The redundancy packages on offer are an $850 million hit on the QLD budget.

That’s right, $850 million is about to be divvied up by the permanent employees who are getting the sack.

That’s why the little demonstrations are pathetic – they are far too busy jockeying for a position in the pie-queue to worry about protesting. Why protest when a big fat payday is on the line?

Newman needs to point this out – it’s not like they are sending these people penniless into the wilderness. The severance packages are immensely generous and far, far, far above what the average sacked worker gets.

brc

18 Sep 12 at 10:19 am
Yabbott in a corner and losing momentum – what can he do at the moment that opens up new fronts in the attack on the gubberment?

Just wait a few weeks for the next inevitable mess.

I mean, nobody saw the complete mess of the trawler decision, did they?

A couple of weeks before that, it was the cancellation of the Olympic dam project.

If there’s one thing you can count on, it’s that a supreme screwup is always just around the corner.

Abbott needs to start hitting out again and don’t let them box him in with all this negativity rubbish. But now is not the time for policy announcements. He also needs to re-iterate that, yes, they are the party of fiscal responsibility.

I think the union corruption problem that is festering away below the surface has the supreme possibility of blowing up massively. And then there is the problem of the never,ever, going to happen surplus.

Finally, on the run down to the election – how on earth is Labor going to make any promises. ‘There will be no bad teeth under the government I lead’…

They really aren’t thinking this thruogh.

brc

18 Sep 12 at 10:23 am
steve
I agree, parts of the right have gone mad about deflationism. I can’t explain it. Milton Friedman wouldn’t have agreed with the,

jtfsoon

18 Sep 12 at 10:34 am
Goodbye Petrodollar.
This is big. China has just provided Iran with a way to ignore the SWIFT embargo. Sanctions, pffft.

Keith

18 Sep 12 at 10:37 am
Yes Jason but the obsession with having no deflation whatsoever is totally erroneous and superstitious and the evidence is as convincing that a floating duck must be a witch and burnt it’s own pan juices.

The goal should be minimal inflation and deflation with liquidity ensured.

Running a tight monetary policy and giving sporadic balance sheet adjustments (QE) basically creates persistent illiquidity and the injections of liquidity create volatility.

They ought to follow Rubinomics and rein in spending.

.

18 Sep 12 at 10:40 am
dot
Bernanke’s decision is perfectly consistent with NGDP targetting. In fact some bloggers are crediting Scott Sumner with changing the debate on this. I thought you supported the idea?

why all this hating on Bernanke?

jtfsoon

18 Sep 12 at 10:43 am
BRC – You’ve made some interesting points – given the morons we’re talking about, there are always a litany of real or potential screwups just around the corner.

But now is not the time for policy announcements.

Agreed – they’ll either be stolen by laybore or attacked unrelentingly via the presstitutes.

And then there is the problem of the never, ever, going to happen surplus.

This is the biggest area of weakness. The gubberment can of course delay the release of the MYEFO, but once it comes out, it will be a massive blow for the goose. I’m predicting a deficit of at least $20 billion, probably much higher. The deficit will be due of course, to the cumulative effects of these squandermonkeys’ epic incompetence.

And don’t forget the white hot anger out in the electorate over the air tax. For example, my most recent utilities bill included a $500 electricity and a $300 gas bill. That’s about a $250 increase on the equivalent quarter last year – I live by myself and am hardly ever home, so to say I’m not happy about these bills is an understatement.

Anyway, it’s all a matter of detail. The key point is that laybore are going to be electorally obliterated, quite possibly fatally. Anything else is simply desperate deck chair shifting on a rapidly sinking ocean liner…

Rabz

18 Sep 12 at 10:49 am
So how about that Mother Jones video of Romney talking to millionaires? Fairly embarrassing.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 10:49 am
Beheading Toddlers mum turns herself in to Police. Children are safe, can stay with parents. But girly action boy has been charged (presumably with attacking a police car with a milk crate) – OZ

Helen Armstrong

18 Sep 12 at 10:52 am
So how about that Mother Jones video of Romney talking to millionaires? Fairly embarrassing.

Yeah, it’s a real game changer.

http://go.bloomberg.com/political-capital/files/2012/05/clooney_obama_620.jpg

C.L.

18 Sep 12 at 10:53 am
Shock pic: Obama addresses millionaires – including notorious Nazi collaborater.

C.L.

18 Sep 12 at 10:58 am
Bernanke’s decision is perfectly consistent with NGDP targetting.

Really? Maybe I’m wrong but I’m sceptical that this can be done right. There are timing problems and now a fluctuating level of liquidity. Even if it can be done right it starts to get information problems like central planning.

NGDP targeting done from long enough ago would have avoided an asset bubble and QE.

.

18 Sep 12 at 11:00 am
Blogstrop, glad you liked that piece by “Suz”. There is an intellectual ferment in the American “manosphere” and its Ladies Auxiliary, which is where Suz fits in. I thought that was a particularly powerful piece of hers. Of course, things are worse for American men than here. The question is whether we are heading down the same path.

nilk, I suppose I put Cardinal Dolan in a sort of “best of a bad bunch” category. He seemed to handle the Obama aggression against the Church recently quite well, although I did suspect, cynically, that the American prelates only finally showed some spine when their personal fiefdoms, in the form of Catholic hospitals and so on, were being interfered with.

Julian O'Dea

18 Sep 12 at 11:14 am
I live by myself and am hardly ever home, so to say I’m not happy about these bills is an understatement.

That electricity bill for a single person sounds extraordinarily high. Something sounds wrong.

I don’t know about gas: I assume you use it for heating?

We use gas for a cooktop at home, and one nine lt bottle refill, which lasts about 2 1/2 to 3 months, is about $26 or $28.

Solar hot system has made a dramatic difference to the electricity bill.

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 11:20 am
Solar hot system has made a dramatic difference to the electricity bill.

that’s becuase other people are subsiding your bills!

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 11:26 am
subsidising!

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 11:27 am
I think for solar hot water, the only subsidy is for installation. Nothing on going.

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 11:33 am
QUEENSLAND will wind back some of the nation’s most generous subsidies for solar power by slashing the feed-in tariff to households by 80 per cent, adding State Energy Minister weight to the state government’s efforts to contain the cost of renewable energy schemes.

From July 10, the feed-in rate under Queensland’s Solar Bonus Scheme — the price paid by the state for solar power generated by a household and fed into the public system – will be cut from 44c per kilowatt hour to 8c/kWh. The electricity supplier kicks in an additional 16c/kWh.

However, the Newman government said it would honour its election commitment to preserve the entitlements of the 180,000 households that have signed on to install solar panels and sell the electricity they do not use back to the public grid.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 11:36 am
Comment piece in Bloomberg nails the Romney problem:

Why is Romney unable to discuss health care policy — his most significant government success — with any coherence or conviction? Because Republicans told their base that Obamacare was the devil’s spawn and Romney (who originated the role of the devil in this theater of the absurd) must maintain the fiction.

Why is the most salient aspect of Romney’s budget the gaping hole at its center? Because contemporary Republicans like to play fantasy league politics, in which vast swaths of government are magically excised by a legion of Randian Harry Potters. Voters, however, lack a similar imagination. If they saw real numbers signifying real cuts, they would punish Romney. So the numbers stay hidden and Romney’s rhetoric and budget documents appear untrustworthy.

Why must Romney, a multimillionaire, push for highly unpopular tax cuts for the wealthy in an era of guilded inequality? Because his base demands it. If such cuts are bad economics (see the Bush administration, 2001-2009), bad fiscal policy (ditto) and unpopular with the broad electorate, so what? The Republican nominee must support tax cuts for the wealthiest — no matter how much it costs him in credibility or votes.

The list goes on and on. Indeed, Romney’s ill-fated foreign policy attack this week may be derived from the same impulse to appease the fantasies that have taken root in the Republican base, which clings to its belief that Obama is anti-American and vaguely in cahoots with terrorists (though presumably not the ones he has had assassinated).

Romney was a fairly successful governor who made a valuable breakthrough in an extremely complex policy arena: health care. His particular brand of business success would probably not be an unmitigated political boon under any circumstances. But any positive political effects have been buried amid Republican protests that the very wealthiest require additional tax breaks and the poorest need more “skin in the game.”

I would add his attitude to AGW to the list where he has to pretend to be less accepting of science than he was before; and he has had to sound tougher on abortion too.

The problem is not Romney: it’s the Republican base which has become so ideologically driven that they now lack common sense and don’t care about evidence.

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 11:48 am
That electricity bill for a single person sounds extraordinarily high. Something sounds wrong.

We, a young family of four, just received our winter bill: $954.

Up from $700 same time last year.

You’ve stated many times how the thought of young families not being able to afford to have electricity makes your juices flow so I thought you’d love to hear about it, perhaps you can make a carbon neutral offering to your gods giving thanks that the world will soon be safe.

twostix

18 Sep 12 at 11:53 am
That electricity bill for a single person sounds extraordinarily high. Something sounds wrong.

Don’t get me started…

I’ll be raising this matter with the ACT gliberals.

Rabz

18 Sep 12 at 11:54 am
We, a young family of four, just received our winter bill: $954.

Up from $700 same time last year.

WTF? I feel bad about complaining now – thankfully I’m a high income earner and I don’t have a family to support.

Sorry to hear it, stix – extortion, pure and simple.

Rabz

18 Sep 12 at 11:56 am
You’ve stated many times how the thought of young families not being able to afford to have electricity makes your juices flow

I have?

Anyway, do the government compensation figures as applicable to your family twostix, then get back to me.

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 11:58 am
During a global foreign policy catastrophe of his own making…

Barack and Michelle discuss Twinkies.

C.L.

18 Sep 12 at 12:02 pm
push for highly unpopular tax cuts for the wealthy in an era of guilded inequality?

Why just yesterday I was walking down to the docks and a group of dirty street urchins were loitering about.

I recognised one of them: “Pip!” I exclaimed “What are you doing dressed in those filthy rags”?

“Aw I dunno govn’r me pa was lost to the black lung and me ma was sent to th’ work ‘ouse’” He then pulled out his iPhone and sent a tweet to his fellow urchins.

“Damn this age of guilded inequality!” I thought to myself.

twostix

18 Sep 12 at 12:02 pm
heh

Someone observed long ago that the Middle East is the place where you can watch working-age men sitting in cafes all day (rather than working) talking about how the Jews are crippling their economy.

boy on a bike

18 Sep 12 at 12:06 pm
There is no ‘Romney problem’. He will win in November in what will be reminiscent of Reagan’s 80 & 84 landslides.

dover_beach

18 Sep 12 at 12:08 pm
I have?

Err, by definition of course you have. You rabidly and unceasingly demand cripplingly high electricity prices to in line with your extremist religious beliefs.

Anyway, do the government compensation figures as applicable to your family twostix, then get back to me.

WTF? “Compensation?” You patronising scum bag. You can’t buy me with my own goddamned money. Not to mention there is no “compensation”, we are doing the compensating.

But you can sit pretty with your hot water service that we were forced to help pay for.

twostix

18 Sep 12 at 12:09 pm
Doug Ross effortlessly destroys the latest Romney In Trouble™ meme…

Ah, memories…

C.L.

18 Sep 12 at 12:15 pm
The ABC is running with the “oh, no, backlash” angle. Hatemail! People saying get out. Why would that be I wonder? How about no more incoming?
A woman is just saying that the prophet would never have used violence, and was thoughtful and considerate in everything. That’s consciously misleading. Another spokesperson earlier said not enough youth facilities in western Sydney were part of the problem. The police have been running youth clubs for as long as I can remember, and youth in western Sydney have been doing normal things like go to school, then get a job for as long as I can remember.

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 12:17 pm
That 47% story just ran on the midday news. They really have a lot invested emotionally in Obama down at the ABC. Less charitably, they have an anti-west, anti-christian, anti-jewish, anti-conservative, anti-business of any sort – problem, and the sooner the USA is irrevocably Changed and Humbled the better they’ll like it.

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 12:23 pm
Arab approval of the United States in the Middle East has plummeted so drastically that it now is lower than it was during the presidency of George W. Bush, according to a startling new survey… The poll of over 4,000 citizens in six Arab nations — Morocco, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates — shows the favorability rating of the United States dropping precipitously

I remember how often we were told that the world hated America because of Bush and that electing Obama would change all of that.

twostix

18 Sep 12 at 12:31 pm
d-b, that is reminiscent of this blog’s 15,000 predictions that Gillard was about to go.

In fact, I’ll just note how much it amuses me that a couple of months of intense Gillardian attack by Pickering and Smith, cheered on by Bolt, Jones and upteen other right wing radio jocks, has ended up with a substantial increase in her popularity.

Only a couple of weeks of Fairfax led chat about Tony being aggro at uni has (arguably, although I think his recent performance generally is more to blame) resulted in a clear polling loss in popularity.

Isn’t life funny?

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 12:31 pm
We, a young family of four, just received our winter bill: $954.

Yeah, we’ve received ours (family of four), at $800. Up about $200 from this quarter last year. Talk around work is the same. The most commonly touted figure is 30% increase.

John Mc

18 Sep 12 at 12:38 pm
“Poles and wires” is supposedly made up of fortifying the network to avoid blackouts as demand increases. But it also includes those stupid subsidies for feed-in, does it not? And various green energy intiatives, like subsidies for wind power, and expensive infrastructure to get the scattered wind power farms connected. It’s a kick in the HP nerve for every voter, while all the pollies try to point the finger elsewhere.

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 12:44 pm
Isn’t life funny?

What’s funny is how for a year you hysterically denounced and threatened anybody who uttered Gillards formal, documented, immediate pre-politics transgressions.

But now you’re totally on board with an ALP appointee luvvies laughable “accusation” from 1977 of something that nobody witnessed, and she herself twice “forgot” to mention on the record, being run front page for weeks.

Of course being the demonstrably non-hypocritical person you are you now look forward to the story about Gillard being “the other woman” in not one, but two affairs being run on the front page for weeks as well.

And of her being president of an organisation that declared all men are rapists, etc.

Don’t you?

Now about that AWU Victorian President’s stat dec and accusations that you keep ignoring…

twostix

18 Sep 12 at 12:55 pm
the story about Gillard being “the other woman” in not one, but two affairs being run on the front page for weeks as well.

Since there are no crimes involved, that would be a bridge that the media would be very wary to cross.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 1:07 pm
StevieLiar QC, your excitement over the latest polls shows you for the retarded, dishonest hypocrite that you are. Months ago you were outraged that anyone would put any weight on the polls.

Tiny Dancer

18 Sep 12 at 1:07 pm
Sorry twostix, I still don’t think what she did showed dishonesty; at the same time, I understand why it caused consternation for the firm. Some WA journo on Insiders said a few weeks ago that he rang the WA dept that looks after incorporated associations and asked whether what she did re incorporation would be illegal or improper, and was told “no”, or probably not, or some such.

No one has proved she got benefit.

What’s more, out there in voterland people are evidently not punishing her for it.

I know it would never occur to you that a bunch of right wing Gillard hating bush lawyers might be wrong, but that’s your problem, not mine.

As for Abbott: JC and I agree (I know he loves it when we agree, BFF that we are and all) that Abbott’s slump may well be more related to his performance generally lately. If it is partly related to the uni story, Michelle Grattan and I agree that the people involved in supporting the Ramjan claim sound credible, and Abbott’s denial did not sound convincing. Abbott really made the not very significant story worse by the way he responded.

So, again, right wing bush lawyers don’t understand the limits of their judgement.

Oh dear, how sad.

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 1:09 pm
Once, my electricity bill was outlandishly high – it turned out to be a mis-read meter reading. One of those little dials was not noted down properly. I rang the power company promised that I was not lying and didn’t leave heaps of lights on for the whole quarter and got my bill fixed.

Presumably that won’t happen again since a smart meter got put in by the authorities this week… :-\

Steve D

18 Sep 12 at 1:14 pm
Since there are no crimes involved, that would be a bridge that the media would be very wary to cross.

Only last week you told us how you read celebrity websites for the latest scoops. What do they talk about,

You really are moron fat boy

Jc　

18 Sep 12 at 1:16 pm
Yes, mOnty is right.

The media hears rumours about politicians on both sides having affairs, I am sure. I expect this makes them reluctant to take sides in terms of whose affairs they will investigate and report on, and whose they won’t.

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 1:17 pm
Since there are no crimes involved, that would be a bridge that the media would be very wary to cross.

Like Tony Abbott allegedly punching a wall. Oh, wait………..

Ivan Denisovich

18 Sep 12 at 1:19 pm
Like Tony Abbott allegedly punching a wall. Oh, wait………..

If it happened, there would have been a crime involved.

As I’ve said before, though, I don’t agree with those bringing it up as I don’t think it’s a healthy development for the media. Stick to policy would you ffs.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 1:28 pm
Another spokesperson earlier said not enough youth facilities in western Sydney were part of the problem.

Undoubtably true, but the sentences haven’t been long enough either.

Rob

18 Sep 12 at 1:33 pm
Stick to policy would you ffs.

Like Abbott’s supposed anger issues? That sort of thing?

Ivan Denisovich

18 Sep 12 at 1:40 pm
Bit busy at the moment. Has the tax dodging welfare leach finished using the time provided by our tax dollars to spam the forum and lecture the productive members of society?

Yes, that you SoB.

Token

18 Sep 12 at 1:42 pm
My take is that she’s reflecting the growing fear that all sorts of people across the political spectrum have about the prospect of Abbott as PM.

He frightens people for a range of reasons not least his inarticulate violent tendencies and reactions and his apparent problems with successful, strong women in politics.

that’s a tired old narrative, febro. Abbott isn’t violent.

The most convincing counterargument against the Ramjan allegations was Sheridan on QandA- not because he was a friend but because he asserted that Abbott “doesn’t operate with a short fuse.”

The thing about that claim is that it’s quite specific and you can easily marshal evidence either way. If ABbott is known to be hot-tempered, then the punch seems in character. if he is known to be equananimous, then it’s out of character. Which is it? Can anyone attest that he does have a shor fuse? or do even his detractors admit otherwise?

dd

18 Sep 12 at 1:44 pm
If it happened, there would have been a crime involved.

Who’s the bush lawyer?

So M0nty you have chosen to dive into the sewer with Steve, good on you. Enjoy, but don’t open your mouth.

Token

18 Sep 12 at 1:44 pm
Rapper M.C ‘Bama:

‘U Didn’ Build That’ on video.

*smirk*.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 1:47 pm
Pictures That Change Elections?

C.L.

18 Sep 12 at 1:48 pm
Christopher Pearson’s weekend explanation of his history with Abbott is a bit more unusual than I would have expected:

Abbott and I have been friends since 1994, when I began to edit all his journalistic writing and major speeches. Ever since, he and his family and my mother and I have holidayed in one another’s houses and spent a lot of time together. For the first five of those years of friendship, before my reception into the Catholic Church, I was an out-and-proud gay man.

Bit about never feeling unwelcome with Tony’s family. Then:

One of the first conversations Abbott and I had was about student politics in the late 70s, when polymorphous perverse Trotskyism and Maoism and plotting in the sauna was pretty much the order of the day. He told me he was afraid that he’d been “a bit too stridently heterosexual” at the time and hoped I wouldn’t think the less of him on that account.

I’m not sure it’s a good idea to use the term “plotting in the sauna” in the context, Chris.

Curious thing is, why was Abbott still silly enough to say in the 2010 interview that he sometimes felt a bit “threatened” by gay men?

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 1:50 pm
You’re being quite the drama queen when it comes to what “the sewer” is in relation to Abbott, Token.

Did I hear you complaining much about Pickering talking about abortions and Gillard being sent to “look after” Wilson? Did you complain at all?

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 1:54 pm
The minority. Heh.

In Lebanon 500,000 Hezbollah Fanatics Chant “Death to America” at Anti-US Protest (Video).

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 1:54 pm
“…a chilling response…”

No, Eleanor Hall isn’t referring to Muslim murderers.

C.L.

18 Sep 12 at 1:55 pm
Terrorists Filmed Carrying RPG’s During US Consulate Attack – Obama Administration Calls This a ‘Protest’

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 1:56 pm
White House Must Stop Sony from Releasing ‘Killing bin Laden’ Film

Now that the White House and State Department have made clear that they believe movies compel terrorists to terrorize, it’s time for them to get ahead of this problem. And one thing the White House can do immediately is to pressure Sony to stop the release of director Kathryn Bigelow’s “Zero Dark Thirty,” which celebrates the killing of Osama bin Laden.

I’m only saying this because, you know, the White House and the media told me movies inflame and cause terrorism.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 1:59 pm
White House Must Stop Sony from Releasing ‘Killing bin Laden’ Film

Good point.

C.L.

18 Sep 12 at 2:01 pm
Stick to policy would you ffs.

Hypocrite.

Ivan Denisovich

18 Sep 12 at 2:03 pm
Wonder if they’ll now take Kathryn Bigelow in for questioning for inciting global violence??

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 2:06 pm
CBS: Obama Leads in Our D+13 Poll

Anyone following the presidential campaign through the prism of media polls is doing themselves a serious disservice. Virtually every one uses a polling sample that is so heavily-skewed towards Democrats that it distorts the actual state of the campaign. Of course, that is a feature, not a bug of the polls. The polls are specifically designed to drive a narrative that Obama is surging and Romney is struggling. Increasingly, though, the polls are having to go to ridiculous efforts to support this meme. Friday’s CBS/New York Times poll, for example, uses a D+13 sample of registered voters. This is absurd.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 2:08 pm
If Abbo has friends who are poofters that means he secret;y is one. And that is why he has a problem with women.

Pickles

18 Sep 12 at 2:13 pm
If Abbo has friends who are poofters that means he secret;y is one. And that is why he has a problem with women.

WTF? That’s straight out of the poofter paranoia of Benghazi. You’re an ill-educated idiot if you believe that … and evidently a bigot. Tell me you’re joking and forgot the sarc tag.

Tom

18 Sep 12 at 2:20 pm
Isn’t Kathryn Bigelow a film director? What did she do to incite violence?

Julian O'Dea

18 Sep 12 at 2:22 pm
I’m pretty sure Pickles was mocking the leftards, Tom.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 2:24 pm
Mock? as if, Gab.

Pickles

18 Sep 12 at 2:27 pm
Like Abbott’s supposed anger issues? That sort of thing?

I was agreeing with you Ivan, you idiot.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 2:32 pm
This editorial, written on Saturday, has caused a nuclear reaction in the Prime Minister’s office. It seems only Labor’s manure smells sweet.

Wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall.

Rudiau

18 Sep 12 at 2:35 pm
Mark Steyn: “And it’s absolutely disgraceful the site that you just showed here, of those guys, those armed guys, going at midnight on a weekend to take this filmmaker in for questioning. You know, if the ambassador in Benghazi had that level of armed force, he’d still be alive today.”…….

If Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama want to be film critics, they can get a job with Variety. But the United States government should not be taking a position on this film or this filmmaker because they’re endangering the lives of other Americans when they do it,”

JamesK

18 Sep 12 at 2:37 pm
Someone with photoshop skillz should change the sign that kid was holding to:

“deport all those who disrespect freedom of speech”

Or

“deport all those who brainwash their kids”

Abu Chowdah

18 Sep 12 at 2:39 pm
What does “too stridently heterosexual” mean?

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 2:39 pm
“wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall.”

Finally A. Bolt gets around to this troubling issue.

AFter all the Labor have attacked Tony ABbott for nothing, making rubbish up about him from 40 years ago.

All fair in love and war, i say.

candy

18 Sep 12 at 2:44 pm
Unlike the Gillard revelations, the Abbott claims are not supported by documentation and relate to personal rather than professional conduct. Character assessments are relevant for a potential prime minister but this story bears the hallmarks of a personal smear. Ms Ramjan said there was no witness; subsequently, other political allies emerged as hearsay witnesses. A leading Labor figure of that scene supports Mr Abbott’s denial. Had such an incident occurred, and mattered, it seems likely it would have resulted in a public reaction or become folklore — not hibernated until now.

Say it until you’re blue in the face but the leftoids just hate Abbott. The man can do no right in their eyes.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 2:45 pm
Since there are no crimes involved, that would be a bridge that the media would be very wary to cross

Lol, like Abbott’s university days?

Like Abbott’s “love child”?

Like Sophie Mirabella’s personal business?

The media with massive prompting from the ALP have opened up student politics and have declared a persons “moral character” from when they were 19 as being extremely relevant to their wanting a job as PM.

So now it’s necessary to start asking about how it is that the PM was the other woman in not one, but an extraordinary two affairs with married fathers (that we know about).

- Two affairs with married fathers.
- Created slush funds and facilitated million dollar embezllement for one of her beau’s.
- Was President of an organisation that declared marriage akin to prositution.
- Was President of an organisation that officially declared that all men are rapists.
- Was a founding member, paid employee and then senior comittee member in the financial successor to the Australia Communist Party until 2002.
- Hasn’t explained allegations that she acted as a professional shill for her criminal boyfriend to convince 800 WA miners to hand over control of a fund to him.
- Hasn’t explained the signed Statutory Declaration from the ex-AWU Victorian President implicating her in embezzlement and Shorten in a bribery scandal.

Oh there is so much to cover

twostix

18 Sep 12 at 2:45 pm
Hah. There is no way Abbott is going to approve a Coalition campaign of talking about Gillard’s past bedroom partners.

How stupid of the Australian editorial to suggest otherwise.

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 2:47 pm
I was agreeing with you Ivan, you idiot.

The question for me out of all this is, what is he so constantly angry about? Any insight, Judith?

m0nty
16 Sep 12 at 10:40 am

As I said.

Ivan Denisovich

18 Sep 12 at 2:49 pm
What does “too stridently heterosexual” mean?

It’s not something our troll herd need to strive to avoid.

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 2:49 pm
Yeah, twostix, the campaign against Gillard’s past has been a smashing success.

Please, ring up your nearest Coalition MP and ask them to start this new campaign.

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 2:49 pm
Sorry twostix, I still don’t think what she did showed dishonesty; at the same time, I understand why it caused consternation for the firm. Some WA journo on Insiders said a few weeks ago that he rang the WA dept that looks after incorporated associations and asked whether what she did re incorporation would be illegal or improper, and was told “no”, or probably not, or some such.

No one has proved she got benefit.

What’s more, out there in voterland people are evidently not punishing her for it.

I know it would never occur to you that a bunch of right wing Gillard hating bush lawyers might be wrong, but that’s your problem, not mine.

All those words to again avoid answering a single thing I asked.

Now that you have established that a lone partisan woman’s never before heard of accusation of something that happened in 1977 to a partisan journalist is all the “evidence” you need to damn someone – explain how a signed statutory declaration from the ex-AWU Victorian President isn’t.

I do know the answer, but it’s fun making you worm and squirm.

twostix

18 Sep 12 at 2:55 pm
“How stupid of the Australian editorial to suggest otherwise.”

Julie Bishop, as a woman, is the perfect choice to discuss this troublesome issue. As a woman she will be able to understand the pain and suffering caused to the abandoned wives and children.

candy

18 Sep 12 at 2:55 pm
I notice the psychologically disturbed and perverse sad lonely nutter liar-steve™ is still contentedly peddling his perpetual repugnant drivel.

The Coalition didn’t start or foster the AWU scandal.

The are too afraid of leftist msm praetorian guard.

JamesK

18 Sep 12 at 2:56 pm
Hah. There is no way Abbott is going to approve a Coalition campaign of talking about Gillard’s past bedroom partners.

How stupid of the Australian editorial to suggest otherwise.

All it took last time was an obscure Rudd supporter to say something in Parliament to wave the chequered flag for the last Gillard pile-on. The Oz is so hoping for another flimsy excuse like that, Steve.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 2:59 pm
The Coalition didn’t start or foster the AWU scandal.

What? Is he still peddling that lie? ffs!

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 3:01 pm
twostix: give up your Heiner-lite obsession. You’ll feel better for it in the morning.

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 3:01 pm
SFB you’re in no position to call anyone out for obsessions. Look at you, all day on and on about Abbott. Give your hand a rest will ya?

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 3:03 pm
The story about affairs with two married men could damage Julia with a lot of married women. I know I can be a bit lacking in nuance at times, but surely this is a very bad look for her, if sections of the media start to highlight it.

A cover story in a woman’s magazine, “How I was hurt by Julia: devastated mum tells of her betrayal.” That kind of thing.

I suspect The Australian is basically saying: back off.

Julian O'Dea

18 Sep 12 at 3:03 pm
The question for me out of all this is, what is he so constantly angry about? Any insight, Judith?

m0nty
16 Sep 12 at 10:40 am

As I said.

I was responding to Judith’s story of getting yelled at by Abbott. Talk to Judith about her reasons as to why she shared the story. I think she’s got credits for posting enough about policy.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 3:06 pm
I suspect The Australian is basically saying: back off.

A newspaper making a public threat to the Prime Minister, is that what we’ve come to.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 3:08 pm
Yeah, twostix, the campaign against Gillard’s past has been a smashing success.

There hasn’t been a campaign against Gillards past you dumbshit – just questions about her involvement in the crime spree she and her boyfriend were involved in immediately before she entered politics.

A single patently false smear against Abbott was front page news for a week.

In order to wage a “campaign” against Gillards past and in the name of fairness Gillard being the other woman in two affairs with married fathers must be on the front page for a week and discussed on Q&A. We must have the victims of her home wrecking interviewed and it must be brought up in question time where she will be damned as a home wrecker by the Shadow Treasurer to the applause of the media.

twostix

18 Sep 12 at 3:09 pm
Just how insulting can a labour minister be??

Mr Ferguson has used his speech to take a swipe at the Queensland Government’s recent decision to hike coal mining royalties, arguing the move will exacerbate the problems associated with low commodity prices and could result in mine closures.

He has also urged mining companies to look at ways to improve the productivity of the sector, including more “efficient labour practices”, given the difficult environment.

“There is no room for fat in the system if Australia is to be competitive,” he said.

“If resource prices continue to fall and input costs continue to rise, increasing productivity in this manner will be the only way the industry will continue to prosper.”

thefrollickingmole

18 Sep 12 at 3:10 pm
twostix: give up your Heiner-lite obsession. You’ll feel better for it in the morning.

Lol.

Again no answer to the simple question in the name of consistency.

You’re too cowardly to even stand by your own “rules”. You’ve really gone downhill over the last 18 months. You’re just an empty floppy shill now – you’ve even given up the hi-alanism.

twostix

18 Sep 12 at 3:14 pm
I was responding to Judith’s story of getting yelled at by Abbott.

Given your “stick to policy” instructions why post at all on Judith’s story, then?

Ivan Denisovich

18 Sep 12 at 3:19 pm
A newspaper making a public threat to the Prime Minister, is that what we’ve come to.

“We” came to that 18 months ago when Gillard threatened a newspaper and instigated an autocratic and craven “inquiry” against it when it dared to air matters relating to her recent past. “We” came to that a month ago when ALP backbenchers were openly stating they wanted News Ltd “regulated” because they “don’t live the coverage the government gets”.

Threats which you were totally silent about aside for the occasional smartarse comment betraying your internal glee.

twostix

18 Sep 12 at 3:19 pm
A newspaper making a public threat to the Prime Minister, is that what we’ve come to.

Did you ever work in a big newsroom at a proper newspaper? Your understanding of the real world is like a kindy kid’s.

Tom

18 Sep 12 at 3:21 pm
A newspaper making a public threat to the Prime Minister, is that what we’ve come to.

I haven’t looked upthread to see which troll said that, so let me guess. It was fat boy.

JC

18 Sep 12 at 3:23 pm
” All it took last time was an obscure Rudd supporter to say something in Parliament to wave the chequered flag for the last Gillard pile-on. The Oz is so hoping for another flimsy excuse like that, Steve.”

An obscure Rudd supporter? Really m0nst, can’t you come up with something a little more dignified for our previous Attorney General?
Surely you remember Mr McClelland? He was the guy that was involved in uncovering the fraud that happened at the AWU if my memory serves me correctly.
No wonder he is a Rudd supporter though. He knows that the lying slapper really is a lying slapper, how could he possibly support her?

Huckleberry Chunkwot

18 Sep 12 at 3:23 pm
A newspaper making a public threat to the Prime Minister, is that what we’ve come to.

It certainly makes a change from the PM threatening newspaper editors, eh m0nty?

Why do leftists fear corporations whilst conservatives and libertarians fear government?

The latter is well founded the former is but more dishonest leftist fear-mongering.

You’re a fuckwit m0nty.

JamesK

18 Sep 12 at 3:32 pm
Up until now I have been willing to give SfB the doubt; but he’s really crossed into La La land.

The “witnesses” are supposedly “credible”? It’s “credible” that they just sort of forgot to mention this assault for the last 35 years? Puhleeze.

As for Gillard, deliberately filling out a false application is grounds for her to be struck off as a lawyer. Not a “fit and proper person” , don’t yer know? It was dishonest and any dishonesty in practice is rightly anathema to the profession.

Your claim to be a conservative Liberal voter who thinks they have lost their way is tripe. You are a partisan ALP troll and should be treated accordingly.

Cato the Elder

18 Sep 12 at 3:36 pm
“Did you ever work in a big newsroom at a proper newspaper? Your understanding of the real world is like a kindy kid’s.”

Good question.

mUttly, as a trained journalist what were your 3 biggest ever stories, scoops, must reads or exclusives and for which publications did they appear?

DavidJ

18 Sep 12 at 3:37 pm
What does “too stridently heterosexual” mean?

Unable to decorate a house or cake, only takes it up the bum once a week.

Infidel Tiger

18 Sep 12 at 3:38 pm
Monst

Answer DavidJ. He really seems to have your measure (XXL) by the way.

JC

18 Sep 12 at 3:41 pm
Webdairy is dead!

Dead Baby, DEAD!

The tributes flow…

Rabz

18 Sep 12 at 3:48 pm
Webdiary is dead, which will come as a terrible shock to anyone who thought it was still alive.

Get out of my head, Tim.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 3:50 pm
Webdiary? Huh? I thought she went bust because my carbon slave (metro) had taken her for a ride.

speak of the devil… this is about the right interval when the idiot makes a cameo appearance here at the Cat… and then when found out promptly gets the size 10 hobnail.

JC

18 Sep 12 at 3:53 pm
Hey James K..

Lots of righties are saying the polling methodology is either rigged or just out of whack with some exceptions.

But here’s where I’m coming from… when we finally come time for the real poll- the election- brand name polls seem to get it right or pretty damn close.

Are they tweaking it all the way then? Is that what’s going on?

JC

18 Sep 12 at 3:59 pm
I thought she went bust because my carbon slave (metro) had taken her for a ride.

Ah yes, a brilliant li’l scam while it lasted. If I remember correctly wasn’t he was slugging people a hefty fee to access some website where he was simply cutting and pasting pieces from the NYT?

Of course, the bulk of his victims were the margoyle and her barking mad acolytes…

Rabz

18 Sep 12 at 4:08 pm
Oh Yea that’s right. Metro bought a subscription to the NYTimes and then started to cut and paste from there. Before you know it, he’s waddled through her 40K life savings.

I honestly felt sorry for her. She was basically cleaned out. Metro emptied the cupboards.

You know, she was a good soul. She was basically an idiot of course, but I think she was an okay person for a leftie. You know how you can sometimes find people that are absolute raving lunatics and good sticks at the same time.

I laughed myself silly when Margot came up with some crap that Boeing was working on an anti-gravity machine for the US military at the height of the leftwing’s paranoia over the Iraq war. Yea margot, you moron, I’m sure they were working and building anti-gravity machines. They’re called aircraft.

JC

18 Sep 12 at 4:19 pm
I’m sure they were working and building anti-gravity machines. They’re called aircraft.

LOL

Bernoulli was an alien!

.

18 Sep 12 at 4:31 pm
Lots of righties are saying the polling methodology is either rigged or just out of whack with some exceptions.

Point 1: For 2012, the average Republican-to-Democrat sample, the correct sample should be 36 (R) to 33 (D) to 31 (I).

Rasmussen is D+2

Point 2: Among likely voters, independents break for Romney, 51 percent to 40 percent (according to the ultra-liberal National Journal).

JamesK

18 Sep 12 at 4:37 pm
Katherine Murphy in her Politics Live column notes:

That Romney video is going nuts in the United States. Nuts.

And it’s true – Google news search for “romney video” is 3192 hits

Good spotting this morning mOnty.

Steve Kates will be forced into doing an exculpatory “it’s all the media’s fault, they are mean and biased” any time now.

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 4:48 pm
d-b, that is reminiscent of this blog’s 15,000 predictions that Gillard was about to go.

sfb, where was Gillard “about to go”? What have I ever said in that regard? I’m just indicating what I think will be the result of the Presidential election in Nov. How that can be “reminiscent” of claims about Gillard “going” to an early election/ being knifed by caucus/ marrying Tim is beyond me.

dover_beach

18 Sep 12 at 4:51 pm
A newspaper making a public threat to the Prime Minister, is that what we’ve come to.

The media is not allow to talk truth to power.

Got it. Will remember when M0nty is whining when Abbot is PM.

Token

18 Sep 12 at 4:54 pm
d-b, you may well not have personally said “she’s gonski”, but then again I never said you personally did.

You’re being a bit precious here.

I’m saying that participants at this blog have been wildly wrong in political predictions about Gillard’s future, over the last few months in particular.

I’m saying that your prediction that Romney will romp it in will prove equally wide of the mark.

Have you started to read yet the reaction to Romney’s gigantic foot in mouth talk of 47% percent of Americans considering themselves “victims”? What’s worse is what followed:

In the video, the Republican nominee goes on to say his job as a candidate “is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.” Instead, he says his goal is to “convince the five to 10% in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other.”

I got that quote from the WSJ, which can see the political harm in this.

Is Herman Cain still available?

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 5:01 pm
Oh Yea that’s right. Metro bought a subscription to the NYTimes and then started to cut and paste from there. Before you know it, he’s waddled through her 40K life savings.

Wow, is that what he was up to?

When I “met” him here, he was trying to do his dodgy solar panel salesman routine.

I remember he would post to links which he would say proves Solar is going to be big baby, big!

Token

18 Sep 12 at 5:02 pm
d-b, you may well not have personally said “she’s gonski”, but then again I never said you personally did.

You’re being a bit precious here.

I’m saying that participants at this blog have been wildly wrong in political predictions about Gillard’s immanent leadership departure, over the last few months in particular.

I’m saying that, similarly, your political prediction that Romney will romp it in will prove equally wide of the mark.

Have you started to read yet the reaction to Romney’s gigantic foot in mouth talk of 47% percent of Americans considering themselves “victims”? What’s worse is what followed:

In the video, the Republican nominee goes on to say his job as a candidate “is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.” Instead, he says his goal is to “convince the five to 10% in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other.”

I got that quote from the WSJ, which can see the political harm in this.

Is Herman Cain still available?

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 5:03 pm
I see SFB is making up for lost time over the weekend. Hey, SFB this isn’t your personal blog.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 5:05 pm
Breaking news, man with such a bad credibility problem he is known as LiarSteve throws around accusations…

I’m saying that participants at this blog have been wildly wrong in political predictions…

…and nobody cares, coz he is Liar Steve.

News at 11.

Token

18 Sep 12 at 5:05 pm
Sorry about the two similar posts. I got a “connection error” message and made slight amendments.

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 5:06 pm
Jeez the the psychotic fucktard liar-steve™ just never tires of pebble-dashing this thread with his bilge.

The video cuts are brilliant.

So brilliant in fact, that Romney has asked that the leftist fucktard who released them in fine cuts release the whole video.

You badly need anti-psychotic medication liar.

Seriously fuck off and get treatment.

You utter tool.

JamesK

18 Sep 12 at 5:12 pm
“Is Herman Cain still available?”

So how does the Cain vs Gillard match-up rate on your moral scale when considering fitness for high office SOB?

Who trumps who and why so?

DavidJ

18 Sep 12 at 5:12 pm
Is SoB’s bird attack over?
______________________

All it took last time was an obscure Rudd supporter to say something in Parliament to wave the chequered flag…

That’s an interesting way to refer to a former Atorney General. I’m going to happily refer to Nanny Roxon that way.

Token

18 Sep 12 at 5:15 pm
So how does the Cain vs Gillard match-up rate on your moral scale when considering fitness for high office SOB?

Both had extra-marital affairs. Both are not fit to lead a country. Only one had to pay for it.

Token

18 Sep 12 at 5:17 pm
Eye Contact Quells Online Hostility

Mean comments arise from a lack of eye contact more than from anonymity.

There is probably a great deal of truth about human nature and social interaction in this:

seeing a partner’s eyes “helps you understand the other person’s feelings, the signals that the person is trying to send you,” which fosters empathy and communication.

Might not work to see every Cat commenter’s eye though……

Myrrdin Seren

18 Sep 12 at 5:17 pm
Piett used to comment here. He had the all seeing eye gravatar. Spooky.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 5:20 pm
Doesn’t apply to Cat’s eyes

JC

18 Sep 12 at 5:22 pm
“I’m saying that … your political prediction that Romney will romp it in will prove equally wide of the mark.”

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 5:01 pm

Dogshit speaks.

Tom

18 Sep 12 at 5:23 pm
All it took last time was an obscure Rudd supporter to say something in Parliament to wave the chequered flag…

Toke, it was actually the disingenuous m0nster that came up with that beauty. Refer to my post @3.23

Huckleberry Chunkwot

18 Sep 12 at 5:24 pm
I’m not being precious; he will win by a landslide. You believe this prediction to be wild. We will have to wait until November to see how wild the prediction was.

Have you started to read yet the reaction to Romney…

Much ado about nothing.

dover_beach

18 Sep 12 at 5:27 pm
Speaking of KRudd he looks pretty happy with the latest polls.

Rudiau

18 Sep 12 at 5:28 pm
Dogshit speaks.

Oh hi Tom. Lovely evening in the TomShed, is it?

You’re not cranky because Romney is looking increasingly like a walking talking political gaffe making machine, are you?

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 5:32 pm
he says his goal is to “convince the five to 10% in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other.”

This is 100% correct. Only those who self identify as moochers could be upset.

Romney needs to own this comment completely. Any backtracking and he should be strangled to death by his Reg Grundies.

Infidel Tiger

18 Sep 12 at 5:32 pm
Completely agree, IT.

dover_beach

18 Sep 12 at 5:36 pm
Actually, IT, it’s not that part that’s the problem.

It’s the “47% percent of American are hopeless loser moochers who have no brains so obviously I don’t need to bother addressing them in my campaign” part.

I paraphrase, but only slightly.

As commenters note at the WSJ thread, a considerable part of the non tax paying 47% will be retirees who have done their taxpaying bit.

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 5:38 pm
Come on girls ya gotta get in shape if want to win our hearts.

Rudiau

18 Sep 12 at 5:39 pm
Speaking of “walking talking political gaffe making machine”-in-Chief, Barack “Egypt is neither an ally nor enemy” Obama

dover_beach

18 Sep 12 at 5:39 pm
I’m saying that participants at this blog have been wildly wrong in political predictions about Gillard’s future, over the last few months in particular.

And the number of elections faced in the “last few months” is ….

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 5:40 pm
You watch what the betting markets do after this incident, d-b.

Oh, how I wish Les were here to share his views…

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 5:43 pm
Jesus Rudiau a warning would be nice

Tal

18 Sep 12 at 5:46 pm
Oh, how I wish Les were here to share his views…

I hate to break this to you SfB but Les considered you a worthless queer jackbooted suburban nancy boy who he would only piss on if he was sure it wouldn’t extinguish the flames. Apart from that he liked you.

Infidel Tiger

18 Sep 12 at 5:48 pm
Flotsam and jetsam, sfb. Obama’s stripping Medicare to the tune of 700B; the retirees you’re worried about will be more concerned by the implications of this to their health care than they will be about the above. The focus on this is indicative of the desperation of the Dems at present. They are desperate to win by knockout in the first round; this is not going to happen.

dover_beach

18 Sep 12 at 5:51 pm
You watch what the betting markets do after this incident, d-b.

Romney is $3.55
Obama is $1.28

I must have a dabble at those odds.

Infidel Tiger

18 Sep 12 at 5:52 pm
“come on girls ya gotta get in shape if want to win our hearts.”

They still might be soft and tender-hearted under those terrifying muscles.

candy

18 Sep 12 at 5:54 pm
Given your “stick to policy” instructions why post at all on Judith’s story, then?

I’m a regular citizen. I was talking about the political media. I am not part of them.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 6:01 pm
I see above some discussion on electricity prices. An interesting read here on the cause and possible cure for the problem.
Excerpt:

Such are the regulatory settings at present that the transmission giants, TransGrid in New South Wales and SP AusNet in Victoria, are paid according to the size of their assets. The more they build, the higher their returns. Same deal for distributors such as Citipower or Ausgrid.

According to a Deloitte analysis from April this year, between $1.5 billion and $4.6 billion could be saved over the next 10 years by doing five things to combat peak demand. These relate to ”time of use” pricing, direct load control of airconditioners and pool pumps, efficiency measures for electric cars and appliances, and further small-scale solar power generation.

SteveC

18 Sep 12 at 6:02 pm
I can’t be bothered to scroll up

Don’t forget the “find on this page” function (click on down arrow on top rh corner.)

Viva

18 Sep 12 at 6:03 pm
The focus on this is indicative of the desperation of the Dems at present. They are desperate to win by knockout in the first round; this is not going to happen.

LOL

Forget about the first round.

There trying to spike his drink in the pre-match warm-up.

It’s not just that meedja are trumpeters of Obumma but active members of his dirty tricks squad.

The ambassadors assassination was all Romney’s fault.

JamesK

18 Sep 12 at 6:04 pm
d-b, I think a french fry you ate in the States is somehow lodged in a carotid artery, and thereby affecting the “political common sense” region of the brain, ever since that trip. I’d suggest a visit to our socialist medical system to have it checked out.

IT’s just after a political party that will allow him to live out his gun toting, Texas Ranger wannabe fantasy, as he thinks he’ll get better service at Australian hotels if he could only flash the pistol on his hip, and can’t see why he shouldn’t be allowed to shoot fish in national parks.

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 6:05 pm
SFB go cook dinner for your wife and kids.
Your verbal diarrhea needs some attention too.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 6:08 pm
IT’s just after a political party that will allow him to live out his gun toting, Texas Ranger wannabe fantasy, as he thinks he’ll get better service at Australian hotels if he could only flash the pistol on his hip, and can’t see why he shouldn’t be allowed to shoot fish in national parks.

A more accurate summation of my politics I can’t imagine. Thank you!

Infidel Tiger

18 Sep 12 at 6:12 pm
test

Cold-Hands

18 Sep 12 at 6:12 pm
Kudos to Salman Rushdie who has come out strongly to condemn a Hezbollah call for the international community (UN) to criminalise insults against Islam, also called for by Saudi Arabia & Egypt’s Grand Mufti. The worry is that spineless Western Governments may take the idea seriously. Mind you, Rushdie has nothing to lose by doubling down- Iran has just increased the bounty on his head to USD$3.3 million.

Cold-Hands

18 Sep 12 at 6:15 pm
SFB in the right of it. “As commenters note at the WSJ thread, a considerable part of the non tax paying 47% will be retirees who have done their taxpaying bit.”

From IHT: “Mr. Romney’s figure of 47 percent comes from the Tax Policy Center, which found that 46.4 percent of households paid no federal income tax in 2011.

But most households did pay payroll taxes. Of the 18.1 percent of households that paid neither income taxes nor payroll taxes, the center found that more than half were elderly and more than a third were not elderly but had income under $20,000. Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the center, wrote in a blog post last summer that about half of those were off the rolls because they had low incomes.”

Xevram

18 Sep 12 at 6:15 pm
It certainly makes a change from the PM threatening newspaper editors, eh m0nty?

People ring up newspapers every so often to threaten them over actionable, libellous reports. That’s everyone’s right when they get libelled. PMs of both sides have been doing it for decades.

A newspaper is now threatening to drop the convention of ignoring politicians’ personal lives, which has been in place since Federation pretty much, to score some short term points in an ongoing partisan campaign. This is something new.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 6:15 pm
Watch out sfb, Gab’s spiked your drink with catallaxative again.

SteveC

18 Sep 12 at 6:16 pm
Got this from an Email i received.
I won’t put up the whole thing as it’s too ” anti-Islam and pro-jewish” ( i’m not interested in that shit )
But these facts are interesting;

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000;
that is ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world’s
population. They have received the following NobelPrizes:
Literature:
1988 – Najib Mahfooz
Peace:
1978 – Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 – Elias James Corey
1994 – Yaser Arafat:
1999 – Ahmed Zewai
Economics:
(zero)
Physics:
(zero)
Medicine:
1960 – Peter Brian Medawar
1998 – Ferid Mourad
TOTAL: 7 SEVEN
The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that
is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world’s population. They
have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1910 – Paul Heyse
1927 – Henri Bergson
1958 – Boris Pasternak
1966 – Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 – Nelly Sachs
1976 – Saul Bellow
1978 – Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 – Elias Canetti
1987 – Joseph Brodsky
1991 – Nadine Gordimer World
Peace:
1911 – Alfred Fried
1911 – Tobias Mi chae l Carel Asser
1968 – Rene Cassin
1973 – Henry Kissinger
1978 – Menachem Begin
1986 – Elie Wiesel
1994 – Shimon Peres
1994 – Yitzhak Rabin
Physics:
1905 – Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 – Henri Moissan
1907 – Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 – Gabriel Lippmann
1910 – Otto Wallach
1915 – Richard Willstaetter
1918 – Fritz Haber
1921 – Albert Einstein
1922 – Niels Bohr
1925 – James Franck
1925 – Gustav Hertz
1943 – Gustav Stern
1943 – George Charles de Hevesy
1944 – Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 – Felix Bloch
1954 – Max Born
1958 – Igor Tamm
1959 – Emilio Segre
1960 – Donald A. Glaser
1961 – Robert Hofstadter
1961 – Melvin Calvin
1962 – Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 – Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 – Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 – Julian Schwinger
1969 – Murray Gell-Mann
1971 – Dennis Gabor
1972 – William Howard Stein
1973 – Brian David Josephson
1975 – Benjamin Mottleson
1976 – Burton Richter
1977 – Ilya Prigogine
1978 – Arno Allan Penzias
1978 – Peter L Kapitza
1979 – Stephen Weinberg
1979 – Sheldon Glashow
1979 – Herbert Charles Brown
1980 – Paul Berg
1980 – Walter Gilbert
1981 – Roald Hoffmann
1982 – Aaron Klug
1985 – Albert A. Hauptman
1985 – Jerome Karle
1986 – Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 – Robert Huber
1988 – Leon Lederman
1988 – Melvin Schwartz
1988 – Jack Steinberger
1989 – Sidney Altman
1990 – Jerome Friedman
1992 – Rudolph Marcus
1995 – Martin Perl
2000 – Alan J. Heeger
Economics:
1970 – Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 – Simon Kuznets
1972 – Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 – Leonid Kantorovich
1976 – Milton Friedman
1978 – Herbert A. Simon
1980 – Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 – Franco Modigliani
1987 – Robert M. Solow
1990 – Harry Markowitz
1990 – Merton Miller
1992 – Gary Becker
1993 – Robert Fogel
Medicine:
1908 – Elie Metchnikoff
1908 – Paul Erlich
1914 – Robert Barany
1922 – Otto Meyerhof
1930 – Karl Landsteiner
1931 – Otto Warburg
1936 – Otto Loewi
1944 – Joseph Erlanger
1944 – Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 – Ernst Boris Chain
1946 – Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 – Tadeus Reichstein
1952 – Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 – Hans Krebs
1953 – Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 – Joshua Lederberg
1959 – Arthur Kornberg
1964 – Konrad Bloch
1965 – Francois Jacob
1965 – Andre Lwoff
1967 – George Wald
1968 – Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 – Salvador Luria
1970 – Julius Axelrod
1970 – Sir Bernard Katz
1972 – Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 – Howard Martin Temin
1976 – Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 – Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 – Daniel Nathans
1980 – Baruj Benacerraf
1984 – Cesar Milstein
1985 – Mi chae l Stuart Brown
1985 – Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 – Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 – Gertrude Elion
1989 – Harold Varmus
1991 – Erwin Neher
1991 – Bert Sakmann
1993 – Richard J. Roberts
1993 – Phillip Sharp
1994 – Alfred Gilman
1995 – Edward B. Lewis
1996- Lu RoseIacovino
TOTAL: 129!

jumpnmcar

18 Sep 12 at 6:17 pm
A newspaper is now threatening to drop the convention of ignoring politicians’ personal lives, which has been in place since Federation pretty much, to score some short term points in an ongoing partisan campaign. This is something new.

So a PM can get away with crimes if they mix business with pleasure?

This is as dumb as your idea that you cannot charge parents over the manslaughter/criminally negligent deaths of their children because “they’re upset”.

Please tell us of your outrage over the way Mirabella was treated over her probate case heard in a court of equity.

.

18 Sep 12 at 6:20 pm
They’re too busy fighting each other and carrying out a jihad on the world’s infidels and the Great Satan to worry about such things as developments in science, literature and peace, Jump.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 6:27 pm
Those stats just prove that the Jews are a devious lot who have corrupted science.

Infidel Tiger

18 Sep 12 at 6:29 pm
At least give some semblance of respect to the concept of keeping to the point, Dot.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 6:29 pm
Answer the questions monty. Cut the victim BS act.

.

18 Sep 12 at 6:32 pm
I don’t have to answer your dumb questions, Dot. You’re a clown.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 6:33 pm
Right then, no answers, we’ll just sledge you then.

A newspaper is now threatening to drop the convention of ignoring politicians’ personal lives, which has been in place since Federation pretty much, to score some short term points in an ongoing partisan campaign. This is something new.

So is a PM getting away with fraud, having the temerity to call herself a “powerful woman” and use the “don’t pick on a woman” BS to get away with it.

.

18 Sep 12 at 6:37 pm
The Libs won’t go after Gillard for her sexual affairs – they know if they open that can of worms Laborites won’t be the only ones to come under the gun. It’s Mutually Assured Destruction.

Viva

18 Sep 12 at 6:38 pm
And another such relationship has crossed into her own frontbench ranks, blurring the professional and personal.

That explains why Emmo was hanging around Vladivostok while Gillard was there for APEC.

Cue Lara’s Theme.

Steve of Ferny Hills

18 Sep 12 at 6:39 pm
Nor should they.

The ALP however went after Mirabella, which monty fully supports – the lying turd then says it’s below the belt to do so.

.

18 Sep 12 at 6:40 pm
So a PM can get away with crimes if they mix business with pleasure?

Apparently so.

That explains why Emmo was hanging around Vladivostok while Gillard was there for APEC.

Seems she got away with more than fraud or tax evasion.

.

18 Sep 12 at 6:41 pm
The ALP however went after Mirabella

They did? I must have missed it. I thought Albo just said they might…

Anyway, viva is correct. No way Libs will want to go down the adultery path.

steve from brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 6:43 pm
Peter Medawar the great medical scientist who contributed to advances in organ transplants was a Lebanese Maaronite Christian, not a Muslim.

jtfsoon

18 Sep 12 at 6:45 pm
“he Libs won’t go after Gillard for her sexual affairs – they know if they open that can of worms Laborites won’t be the only ones to come under the gun. It’s Mutually Assured Destruction.”

nah, can’t affect Tony Abbott as alternative PM and it’s only the highest office and suitability for it that is in question.

candy

18 Sep 12 at 6:46 pm
I wonder if the harlot PM knows her pimp in the non-communist blogosphere is an invalid pensioner known as Dogshit.

Tom

18 Sep 12 at 6:48 pm
I thought Albo just said they might…

What a buck toothed, spittle flecked, apoplectic yokel.

.

18 Sep 12 at 6:48 pm
That explains why Emmo was hanging around Vladivostok while Gillard was there for APEC.

Where’s Tim these days? No one ever mentions him. Is he still Gillard’s main squeeze?

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 6:49 pm
[this landed in my inbox this arvo.]
17 September 2012

Dear Members, Supporters and Friends;

You may have heard rumours that Q Society has invited Geert Wilders to Australia and that we are planning two public info events in mid October.

These rumours are true.

We were asked to keep this under wraps until travel plans, security and formalities are finalised. This is now in place for three weeks, but as of today Geert is still waiting on Minister Bowen’s department to issue a visa so he can enter Australia.

Typically any law-abiding citizen of a friendly country visiting for a few days is issued with a visa within minutes of booking a flight. Considering Geert has special security requirements, we appreciate this can take a few days, perhaps a week. But not three weeks.

Surely there can be no reason to withhold a visa from the elected member of parliament from a friendly nation and close ally. In particular not when Islamic radicals from Hizb ut-Tahrir, calling for the destruction of Israel and the overthrow of Western democracy, have been given visas without any problems. Likewise members and supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood were swiftly issued with visas to lecture Australians on the virtues of Islam.

But after waiting for three weeks now, we are beginning to wonder what may be the reason for Minister Bowen’s department to process visas for Islamic hot heads in a hurry, but leave MPs from friendly European nations hang out to dry.

What kind of message does this send to Australians and our friends in the world?

We all should ask our federal MP and Senator this question so they can put this to Minister Bowen. If you’re not sure how to write and how to find your MP, please see http://www.qsociety.org.au/qpolcontact.html And ask friends and connections to do the same. Minister Bowen’s contact details are below.

Best Regards

Andrew Horwood
VP Media and Community Relations
Q Society of Australia Inc

Chris Bowen Electorate Office

Email: [email protected]
[I edited out all of the contact details. I'd pay to see Geert speak.]

nilk

18 Sep 12 at 6:49 pm
What a buck toothed, spittle flecked, apoplectic yokel.

That would make quite an eloquent epitaph for him.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 6:51 pm
actually, Abdus Salam, the Pakistani physicist whose work contributed to the Higgs-Boson (God particle) could be added to the list of Muslim scientists except for the fact that he belongs to the small Ahmadi sect who are regarded as heretics in Islam

http://secularright.org/SR/wordpress/abdus-salam/

jtfsoon

18 Sep 12 at 6:52 pm
Nilk you ought to forward that to Bolt.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 6:54 pm
Done, Gab, along with one to TimB.

nilk

18 Sep 12 at 6:58 pm
Wiki records it slightly different:

Salam, Sheldon Glashow and Steven Weinberg shared the 1979 Nobel prize for this discovery.[5] Salam holds the distinction of being the first Pakistani and the first Muslim to receive a Nobel prize in Physics.[6]

In 1974, Abdus Salam departed from his country, in protest, after the Pakistan Parliament passed a controversial parliamentary bill declaring the Ahmadiyya denomination as non-Islamic. Even after his death, Salam remained one of the most influential scientists in his country. In 1998, following the country’s nuclear tests, the Government of Pakistan issued a commemorative stamp, as a part of “Scientists of Pakistan”, to honour the services of Salam.

Abdus Salam died peacefully on 21 November 1996 at the age of 70 in Oxford, England, after a long illness.[102] His body was finally returned to Pakistan and kept in Darul Ziafat, where some 13,000 men and women visited to pay their last respects. Approximately 30,000 people attended his funeral prayers.

Pity some fool scrubbed out “Muslim” on his grave. Seems to have been quite a brilliant man and accomplished much in his life.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 7:02 pm
Where’s Tim these days? No one ever mentions him.

He got a mention in the death notice for Gillard’s father which stated he was “honoured by Tim” [and two others].

Viva

18 Sep 12 at 7:09 pm
As Jason pointed out, Peter Medawar was not a typical Islamist, he went to an English public school and loved cricket. He even played village green cricket with a team of mendicant musicians and bowled off breaks (as you would expect an intellectual do do).

Poor Old Rafe

18 Sep 12 at 7:17 pm
Does any one recall the name of the operation conducted by the US/allies in rounding up German scientists at the end of WW2 and giving them assistance to continue their work?

A friend mentioned it at work and I would like to look into it further.
On the surface, if it is true from what he says, it’ was a very compassionate and productive decision.

jumpnmcar

18 Sep 12 at 7:27 pm
More about Peter Medawar.

He acquired a taste for Australian wine as well.

He shared the Nobel with the Australian Macfarlane Burnett.

Poor Old Rafe

18 Sep 12 at 7:29 pm
I suspect that Tim operates at about the same level as StevieLiar QC but isn’t so annoying or stupid

Tiny Dancer

18 Sep 12 at 7:29 pm
if it is true from what he says, it’ was a very compassionate and productive decision.

Bullshit it was compassionate. They wanted rockets to deliver a bomb to the mens toilet in the Kremlin.

JC

18 Sep 12 at 7:30 pm
Several great posts on Jo Nova.

Poor Old Rafe

18 Sep 12 at 7:31 pm
Nilk, signed up for Q-society ‘emails and will have a look at getting along to one of their meetings. Watching 7:30 Report as I’m typing this. Like him or hate him, it would be completely unreasonable if Wilders was not allowed into Australia.

John Mc

18 Sep 12 at 7:34 pm
and bowled off breaks (as you would expect an intellectual do do).

Plenty of pace bowlers were/are indalectuals …..soo… shut up…

jumpnmcar

18 Sep 12 at 7:37 pm
Does any one recall the name of the operation conducted by the US/allies in rounding up German scientists at the end of WW2 and giving them assistance to continue their work?

NASA?

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 7:40 pm
Jump, it was called Operation Paperclip.

John Mc

18 Sep 12 at 7:41 pm
Jump, at least that was one of the programs, I don’t know if it was the one you are thinking of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

John Mc

18 Sep 12 at 7:42 pm
So is a PM getting away with fraud, having the temerity to call herself a “powerful woman” and use the “don’t pick on a woman” BS to get away with it.

Only lonely conspiracists like you believe that she committed fraud, Dot. Or if she was the beneficiary of anything, it was in the form of a dud reno job by Bill the Greek and Con the Incompetent. Hardly the work of a master criminal, you maroon.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 7:43 pm
Plenty of pace bowlers were/are indalectuals …. called Bruce.

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 7:43 pm
A newspaper is now threatening to drop the convention of ignoring politicians’ personal lives, which has been in place since Federation pretty much, to score some short term points in an ongoing partisan campaign. This is something new.

I was pointing to a far more intimidating hypocrisy in response to m0nty’s earlier breathtakingly stupid indignation.

I see now more drivel from m0nty in reply.

He has an answer to everything and a genuine response to little.

In this case: naught in the way of response to the critique.

He then almost immediately demonstrates more hypocrisy and gall to complain to dot who calls him up on it:

At least give some semblance of respect to the concept of keeping to the point, Dot.

Listen to yourself, m0nty.

JamesK

18 Sep 12 at 7:43 pm
JC

Bullshit it was compassionate. They wanted rockets to deliver a bomb to the mens toilet in the Kremlin.

The scientist themselves may disagree.
Can’t see the Japs then or Jihadist now offering such accommodation.
Anyway, can you recall the name of the Op?

jumpnmcar

18 Sep 12 at 7:44 pm
They wanted rockets to deliver a bomb to the mens toilet in the Kremlin.

that was the Manhattan Project.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 7:47 pm
jump

The point was that was that the Americans were getting some seriously advanced technology. There was nothing compassionate about it.

it was also a way of keeping them from the Russians.

JC

18 Sep 12 at 7:50 pm
Paperclip looks to be it.
Much thanks John Mc.

jumpnmcar

18 Sep 12 at 7:52 pm
I think the Manhattan project was the bomb. The stuff Jump is talking about was the rocket project… delivery systems. That’s right no?

JC

18 Sep 12 at 7:52 pm
oh yeah, you’re right. M Project disbanded in August ’47.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 7:56 pm
The Manhattan Project was the development of the A bomb in WWII, culminating in the Trinity test.

Burnet came up with the clonal selection theory of immunity, which beat out Linus Pauling’s hypothesis. Medawar did crucial experiments which supported Burnet’s ideas.

Julian O'Dea

18 Sep 12 at 7:58 pm
In this case: naught in the way of response to the critique.

It’s not my fault that you lot have such poor memories of my response to the Mirabella thing. In short: reporting the case is perfectly fine, because it’s public to that extent, but anything past that is beyond the pale IMO. Now can you stop using it as a pretence for escalation of the media temperature?

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 8:00 pm
Dr Werner von Braun and his colleagues

Mike of Marion

18 Sep 12 at 8:02 pm
“Only lonely conspiracists like you believe that she committed fraud”

To quote Yabbot – Haha haha haha – no.

Gillard is a crook and a homewrecker who thinks that most Australian blokes have married whores.

She will lose the next election and she will lose the next election very badly. Abbot is winning and he knows he is winning. Gillard is a tragedy of human being.

.

18 Sep 12 at 8:04 pm
The 7.30 Report has just run another story on live cattle exported to an Islamic country (and in this case a rich one) where they are mistreated, starved, not looked after, and killed poorly. This “live trade” is being done so these primitives can then yard and slaughter them in a “halal” fashion.
Let’s leave aside the bona fides of such stories for now – but I have to say I’ve no faith in these countries given their slavishness to “cultural practices”.
We are being corralled into a very unsatisfactory position. Either accept that shit happens or enforce some basics that don’t involve bowing down to these culturally backward Islamic nations.
Export only chilled carcasses, slaughtered in Australian abbatoirs where they (a) are in good condition, and (b) stunned before killing. It can be (c) halal, subject to a. and b.
If the destination country hasn’t got refrigeration, stiff.
Get it, or eat something else, from somewhere else. Or starve.

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 8:05 pm
In short: reporting the case is perfectly fine, because it’s public to that extent, but anything past that is beyond the pale IMO.

Bringing the Kernohan stat. dec. to public attention is thus a cherished public service.

.

18 Sep 12 at 8:05 pm
Let’s leave aside the bona fides of such stories for now

No. The last one was a hoax.

What has the ALP got against people employed in primary industries?

.

18 Sep 12 at 8:06 pm
so these primitives can then yard and slaughter them in a “halal” fashion.

Blog, they’re killed in halal fashion here.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 8:08 pm
They can be killed in halal fashion here, if we have to go that far, but they are actually stunned first.

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 8:11 pm
Nilk, Bolt about to talk about Geert on 2GB.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 8:13 pm
What has the ALP got against people employed in primary industries?

Any productive industry is targetted by Green/Labor.
But it’s PC that has us shipping live animals instead of chilled carcasses.

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 8:13 pm
Mostly, yes, blog. However, there are instances where the relevant Australian meat-inspection authority does approve an abattoir for ritual slaughter sans stunning.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 8:16 pm
It’s not my fault that you lot have such poor memories of my response to the Mirabella thing.

Decided to go full dishonest blathering confusion I see m0nty

Presumably on the basis that no one would notice.

You responded to dot by accusing him of exactly what you had just done twice.

JamesK

18 Sep 12 at 8:20 pm
“It’s not my fault that you lot have such poor memories of my response to the Mirabella thing. In short: ..”

Tony Abbott’s private life and Ms Gillard’s are both open to inspection, because one aspires to, and one has the top job. So let’s examine their private lives to see if they up to the mark.

We need to know the calibre of Mr Abbott, as Ms Grattan and Mr Oakes have been saying in their articles all last week.

Bring it on.

candy

18 Sep 12 at 8:20 pm
Some people overseas like to kill their own beasts, for ritual or cultural reasons.

Julian O'Dea

18 Sep 12 at 8:22 pm
Abbott is sinking fast. His anti-women misogyny is frightening the horses.

i.e. that’s all you’ve got. Gillard lost her father recently and Abbott allegedly intimidates women. Believable perhaps, because he is a macho man. So she deserves sympathy as a not-exactly-gifted woman trying her best, and some women voters will give her that sympathy.

Not exactly ‘Your Rights at Work’ (which was brilliant, BTW). And good luck trying to keep it sticking until the election.

John Mc

18 Sep 12 at 8:22 pm
They can kill “their own beasts” then. I’ve had it with these special considerations for culture.

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 8:23 pm
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/08/us-soldiers-deliver-sheep-for-ramadan-slaughter-in-afghanistan.html

Julian O'Dea

18 Sep 12 at 8:25 pm
It would be interesting to know just how much livestock is killed halal fashion v non-halal in Australia and what percentage is carried out without stunning. I know in certain areas of Melbourne, butchers only sell halal meat/chicken.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 8:29 pm
Abbot doesnt hev any policies that dont involve more sackings of the public sector, more downward pressure on wages (penalties) etc and apart from that has only “anti policies”ie we disagree with everything.
The liberals are calling Barnaby Joyce “insane” because he wants to break up Coles and Woolies and hey guess what? So do a lot of shoppers there.

Its liberals that need to look at your policies if you want Abbot to win ie start having some decent policies that dont involve mass sackings, pushing wages down further, screwing country producers with more de-regulation and pursuing this “too far right” agenda.

liberals need to have a close look at themselves to see how far they have strayed from conservatism in this country if you want to get re-elected.
Oh and wealthy liberals need to consider having their tax increased to get the budget back to surplus fo a change. They had their day in the sun.

As for Gina, Clive and Twiggy – its best they just shut up right now. They arent doing conservatism any favours.

Alice

18 Sep 12 at 8:29 pm
Thanks, Gab. I don’t usually watch the tv or listen to the radio – it tends to send my blood pressure skyrocketing, and I’ve also usually got the youngster around. Not a good look.

Listening now.

nilk

18 Sep 12 at 8:30 pm
You responded to dot by accusing him of exactly what you had just done twice.

I have consistently been criticising those raising the media temperature. I don’t like the Abbott punching story, I disagree with muckraking the Mirabella story beyond the public court case, and I don’t think it is going to end well if the media start investigating politicians’ affairs. There is no hypocrisy on my part, JamesK.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 8:30 pm
There are places that need live stock because they don’t have refrigeration. So they slaughter animals in the same way as human kind has been doing for a few thousand years. So what?

John Mc

18 Sep 12 at 8:30 pm
Is there any evidence of any kind that any of these gestures of good will have ever been reciprocated, or ever mitigated the ferocity of the jihad against us?

Quite so.

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 8:31 pm
liberals need to have a close look at themselves to see how far they have strayed from conservatism in this country if you want to get re-elected.

If you want that you can vote for Katter.

John Mc

18 Sep 12 at 8:33 pm
The liberals are calling Barnaby Joyce “insane” because he wants to break up Coles and Woolies and hey guess what? So do a lot of shoppers there.

A lot of morons think higher prices are a better alternative to more competition? That’s no surprise, this is the land of the moron.

Infidel Tiger

18 Sep 12 at 8:33 pm
febro, Marr can’t do shit and no one in Australia cares for his retardedly biased opinion.

John Mc

18 Sep 12 at 8:35 pm
So what?

I don’t think saying a prayer absolves these creeps from starving and mistreating animals before killing them in that fashion.
Nor am I prepared to give PETA any respect until they have the cojones to condemn the annual amateur hour Eid Festival backyard slaughter that’s done for purely “cultural” reasons, not because of any practical ones.

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 8:35 pm
Nilk, I’m wondering if Julie Bishop is the best person to get information on Labor preventing Geert’s visa. What do you think?

Alternatively, Geert could always get on a boat in Indonesia…

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 8:36 pm
Thats the trouble with Abbot – he doesnt have any ideas apart from disagreement and more radical free market hands off stuff.
Its not what a lot of people want to hear. Blighs givernment was scaked because of the privatisations. Now that hate Newman.
Barnaby is called “insane” because he can see what the ugly Coles Woolies dupoloy is doing to Australian farm / food production. Katter has the same opinion and he is a man looking at country life.
I dont want people flocking to the cities because there is no production and jobs in the country. The roads are crowded enough.

Abbot and his team olf liberals need to haul off with the ideology and start acting how they are expected to act, as the voice of the people, not the voice of the liberal vision.

Alice

18 Sep 12 at 8:37 pm
You’ll have to help me with “scaked”, Alice.

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 8:41 pm
Sorry, Nilk, I meant to give her the information from Q-society.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 8:43 pm
But it’s PC that has us shipping live animals instead of chilled carcasses.

I would have thought that it is the Free Market rather than PC.
They want them live as electricity and refrigeration is dodgy in their markets; live animals don’t begin to go off until they’re slaughtered. Plus if they’re live, they can slaughter them how they prefer themselves.

I have no objections- even an inept slaughterman is probably better or at worst on par with being run down and killed by a predator in the wild.

Cold-Hands

18 Sep 12 at 8:44 pm
Infidel you are the idiot. In case you hadnt noticed we have higher prices (obscenely so in Coles and Wooolies) and no fucking competition already.
But you can keep dreaming of you want. It wont win Abbot votes if you are all dreaming about what ordinary Australians want.
There is some sort of major disconnect in the liberal party with what the majority of Australians want. We didnt all sign up to the free markets charter you know and if we did and it isnt working – we expect politicians to be on the ball enough to uniwnd it (shock horror – that means chamging political direction does it?)
We expect business to be flexible but politicians appear to be one idea wonders?.

Alice

18 Sep 12 at 8:44 pm
Alice you are full of shit.

Mass sackings are needed. The public sector is too large. Fact. What exactly do the Federal education and health departments do?

Abbot will push wages down? Umm? When he was the Workplace Relations Minister under Howard, Fisky correctly pointed out that real wages grew at their fastest rate under Howard compared to any other post war PM.

“Oh and wealthy liberals need to consider having their tax increased to get the budget back to surplus fo a change. They had their day in the sun.”

Piss off you misanthropic far left loon. Everyone deserves a tax cut.

“Katter has the same opinion and he is a man looking at country life.”

He is full of shit as are you. He represents the retards who grow sugar, not the 95% of primary producers who get by without subsidies and have inputs like motor vehicles subject to costly tariffs.

.

18 Sep 12 at 8:44 pm
Alice are you a comedic invention of one of the regulars here?

I hope so.

Infidel Tiger

18 Sep 12 at 8:45 pm
blogstrop scaped is scacked I mean sacked

Alice

18 Sep 12 at 8:45 pm
Abbot and his team olf liberals need to haul off with the ideology and start acting how they are expected to act, as the voice of the people,

Alice, people like me want hime to say that stuff. In fact, I demand it. If he doesn’t promote individual choice and responsibility, free markets and lean, efficient government I won’t vote for him.

John Mc

18 Sep 12 at 8:45 pm
Infidel you are the idiot. In case you hadnt noticed we have higher prices (obscenely so in Coles and Wooolies) and no fucking competition already

Aldi and IGA don’t exist?

Idiot.

There is some sort of major disconnect in the liberal party with what the majority of Australians want. We didnt all sign up to the free markets charter

Nor did we sign up to the criminality of the ALP and the unions and the backward, stifling lunacy of Bob fucking Katter.

We expect business to be flexible

We didnt all sign up to the free markets

You fucking blockhead.

.

18 Sep 12 at 8:47 pm
Alice.

Thats the trouble with Abbot – he doesnt have any ideas apart from disagreement and more radical free market hands off stuff.

that’s all that’s needed. NBN versus not NBN alone, that’s a 50 billion dollar difference in policy. Carbon tax versus not a carbon tax; same with mining tax. Simply saying you’ll reverse these policies is a huge deal, and a very signficant policy difference with Labor.

As for “free market hands off stuff”, people love that shit around here. The only heads that will nod in concerned agreement to that are Steve, m0nty, and a couple of others.

Blighs givernment was scaked because of the privatisations.

I think you’ll find that she racked up huge amounts of debt as well.

Now that hate Newman.

That’s froth and bubble and will pass. Newman’s government will win a second term at the next QLD election.

Barnaby is called “insane” because he can see what the ugly Coles Woolies dupoloy is doing to Australian farm / food production.

Coles and Woolies’ duopoly is not damaging Australian food production; the worst thing for Australian farms are restrictive regulation such as tree clearing restrictions, water consumption restrictions, land use restrictions, and more.

Abbot and his team olf liberals need to haul off with the ideology

What you call ideology, I call a method for increasing total Australian wealth.

dd

18 Sep 12 at 8:48 pm
David Marr is the most highly paid writer in Australia

No.

.

18 Sep 12 at 8:48 pm
Infidel you are the idiot. In case you hadnt noticed we have higher prices (obscenely so in Coles and Wooolies) and no fucking competition already.

If you want to see high prices, wait until Coles and Woolies are replaced by a stand alone grocer with no control over the supply chain.

If you want alternatives to them, change zoning laws. Change IR laws. Remove the barriers of entry.

Infidel Tiger

18 Sep 12 at 8:49 pm
Christ, the insects are bad tonight. Is there a bad batch of moonshine or dope going around that’s forcing every dumb cnut in the zombiesphere to beg their future owners for forgiveness for fcuking up the country? Fuck off, vermin, or I’ll get out the Mortein.

Tom

18 Sep 12 at 8:50 pm
Ok John – if that what you want to hear fine. Dont vote for him if he doesnt say it. Im just not sure thats what everyone wants to hear more of that lean efficient free market crap and Im not sure that will get Abbott in. Its been overdone and a lot of people dont want to hear aboyt free markets when it comes to their electrivity bills and groceries. These markets are free but not competitive at all – price gouging happens when you have a small captive market and are relatively easily controlled by one of two firms (Australia fits this bill and has done for decades plus plus – we have a hostory of being royally gouged from Burns Philp to BHP – we cant swim to North America to get more choice or even to NZ)

Tony already says that crap all the time about free markets and that lets Coles and Woolies off the hook and its not just your votes he needs.

Alice

18 Sep 12 at 8:51 pm
Spray yourself Tom – do us all favour.

Alice

18 Sep 12 at 8:53 pm
Romney has ushered in class warfare to the election campaign, Bob Woodward told Sales tonight.

Mitt Romney. All on his patma. Like, you know, the last four years never happened.

The selective hearing and seeing of the Left is beyond credulity.

James in Melbourne

18 Sep 12 at 8:54 pm
I would have thought that it is the Free Market rather than PC.
They want them live as electricity and refrigeration is dodgy in their markets;

Qatar can afford electricity, as can most ME countries we export to.

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 8:54 pm
He’s got good reason to be smug. He’s earned it and he’s sweet. Like it, or not.

No….he is a whiney bitch with a pathological hatred of Abbott and Howard who plays the gay victim card at every opportunity. He is a wastrel, a churl, a buffoon, a dribbling cretin.

Carpe Jugulum

18 Sep 12 at 8:54 pm
Jack, David Marr is the most highly paid writer in Australia.

Bullshit. If that’s the state of writing in Australia it’s no wonder we’re seen as parochial.

John Mc

18 Sep 12 at 8:55 pm
Are sugar producers subsidised?

What is the Q-society?

Julian O'Dea

18 Sep 12 at 8:57 pm
Damn, he didn’t get to talk about it, Nilk.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 8:57 pm
Romney has ushered in class warfare to the election campaign, Bob Woodward told Sales tonight.

Bo Woodward? I suppose it would have been a bit much to dig up Cronkite.

Infidel Tiger

18 Sep 12 at 8:57 pm
heh.

having beers with a few friends and acquantances after work today and the execrable buffoon David Marr came up in the comversation.

One of the gayer acquaintances claimed to have boinked him a few years ago (said he was rather a dud bash). Reckons Marr’s problem with Abbott is quite simply a case of Marr “… having the screaming hots for the sort of real man he likes but that will never be requited.”

Yeah, my BS radar was going off, but bloody funny if nothing else.

Mk50 of Brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 8:59 pm
Its been overdone and a lot of people dont want to hear aboyt free markets when it comes to their electrivity bills and groceries.

In case you haven’t noticed, the moves against free markets have made everybody’s electrical bills become more expensive. And competition from Aldi or ‘Home Brand’ has made groceries cheaper.

John Mc

18 Sep 12 at 8:59 pm
No, don’t dig up Cronkite! It will paralyse Superman!

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 8:59 pm
Yes he did, Gab. There have been some good calls, including an old mate of mine. I’ll have to download the podcast later.

nilk

18 Sep 12 at 9:00 pm
See you all tomorrow.

blogstrop

18 Sep 12 at 9:02 pm
The Q Society is a group that is all about educating people.

“The Q Society of Australia is both vessel and umbrella for a group of dedicated individuals, either formal members or supporters. The Society is incorporated as not-for-profit association in Victoria, but members and supporters hail from all over the Australian Nation. While we come from many ethnic backgrounds and follow different religions, we are first and foremost unhyphenated Australians. Australians, who believe in the equality of men and women, a fair go for everyone and a civil and democratic society based on classical European foundations.”

From the website.

nilk

18 Sep 12 at 9:03 pm
There is no hypocrisy on my part, JamesK.

Utter bollocks.

JamesK

18 Sep 12 at 9:03 pm
Bo Woodward? I suppose it would have been a bit much to dig up Cronkite.

Thanks IT. Just as well I’m not drinking at the moment.

nilk

18 Sep 12 at 9:04 pm
Infidel you are the idiot. In case you hadnt noticed we have higher prices (obscenely so in Coles and Wooolies) and no fucking competition already

I heard an interview from NSW diary farmers which revealed they are doing test shipments to get milk from the farm gate to Shanghai within a couple of days.

Coles & Woolies have pushed the price of milk so low that it is now economical to export fresh. For the first time the market for fresh Australian milk looks like it will be truly expanding.

If that market gets fired up is that a good thing for Australian farmers & Chinese consumers?

I think farmers will grow more milk and children in China will be healthier – plus with real competition the price of the milk in the supermarkets will rise.

Problem solved by free enterprise! You must be happy with capitalism, yes?

Token

18 Sep 12 at 9:04 pm
Marko, you’re just in time for drunks hour. Coz’s mate Alice is into the Chateau Cardboard and is taking it out on all of us.

Tom

18 Sep 12 at 9:04 pm
Correct Julian, Costello got rid of the last of it.

I’ll change what I said: Katter is even out of touch with his constituents now.

.

18 Sep 12 at 9:06 pm
Yeah Tom, loads of internet vermin about. Probably the state of the moon, or they have hit the chronic simultaneously.

Mk50 of Brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 9:06 pm
Alternatively, Geert could always get on a boat in Indonesia…

it would be a shame if it sank

SteveC

18 Sep 12 at 9:14 pm
Thanks, nilk.

Thanks “.” Yes, I was pretty sure sugar is not subsidised.

Julian O'Dea

18 Sep 12 at 9:14 pm
febro, are you implying that Dickens was homosexual?

Julian O'Dea

18 Sep 12 at 9:17 pm
“’ll change what I said: Katter is even out of touch with his constituents now.”

think you’re right with that – B. Katter is elderly now and also the homophobe ad did him no favours

candy

18 Sep 12 at 9:18 pm
He did? I musta missed it. I’ll have to listen again. Podcast should be up shortly tonight, Nilk.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 9:19 pm
Fungus, are you like one of the Spanish god botherers who invaded South America in the 17th century, led by priests and cannons, to teach the Quechuans guilt, of which they had no concept? Missionaries don’t tend to do well among people who hate the old-fashioned communism you’re all a’fevered about out of bitter learning and experience. I guess you can’t believe your luck that you haven’t been zapped by the Doomlord’s TrollZapper™.

Tom

18 Sep 12 at 9:22 pm
Watching ABC News24:

These calls by the Islamic leaders for anyone to avoid any further rallies unless they are endorsed by the leading Islamic bodies is admirable, I suppose, in a time of minor crisis.

Biut it kind of misses the point. We’re not looking for a community that looks to its religious leaders for the authorisation to hold a protest. We’re looking for people who think for themselves, and in doing so, showing their true values in their actions. That is the true Western approach. Which is also kind of the point. Are those rallies that are being held by hundreds of people, but not endorsed by the key religious bodies, the true reflection of Islam in Australia?

John Mc

18 Sep 12 at 9:23 pm
it would be a shame if it sank

Not a death threat?

Septimus

18 Sep 12 at 9:29 pm
Now that hate Newman.

The lone Galaxy poll that created the “everyone hates Newmann meme” that idiots like you regurgitate endlessly has Newmans popularity “dropping” from 56% to a “low” 48%.

Oh no, he’s only the most popular politician in the entire county.

“Hated”. LOL

twostix

18 Sep 12 at 9:32 pm
it would be a shame if it sank

The “tolerant” left.

twostix

18 Sep 12 at 9:34 pm
febro, are you implying that Dickens was homosexual?

Febro’s a pure troll Julian, not in the way that people call SfB and m0nty “trolls”, but an actual genuine classic troll.

It comes in for 10 minutes at a time every couple of days, sprays stupid “outrageous” one liners, then leaves.

twostix

18 Sep 12 at 9:38 pm
it would be a shame if it sank

Yep. Given my reference was quite clearly meant to refer to people allegedly seeking asylum, it’s interesting how the leftoids have so little regard for human life. Oh wait, the Red Queen already has blood on her hands…she sets the example I suppose.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 9:43 pm
Gab, Red Dalek.

Tom

18 Sep 12 at 9:50 pm
Hardly the work of a master criminal, you maroon.

Her later work is hardly the work of a master politician, and don’t call people queenslanders that is below the belt – even for the cat.

Rob

18 Sep 12 at 9:55 pm
Steyn on that fellow who died after inhaling Old Glory.

nilk

18 Sep 12 at 10:04 pm
Hah!

Juliar is (to quote Antipodean), The Red Barren

Mk50 of Brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 10:21 pm
According to DuPont’s MSDS for nylon compound used to manufacture flags, burning the flag produces:

“Hazardous gases/vapors produced in fire are formaldehydes, ammonia, carbon monoxide, cyclopentanone, oxides of nitrogen, traces of hydrogen cyanide, incompletely burned hydrocarbons.”

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 10:23 pm
THE federal government is refusing to confirm a claim that 14 Sri Lankan asylum seekers have opted to return to their country rather than be sent to Nauru.

Coalition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison made the claim on television today.

”There is an unconfirmed report that there are 14 Sri Lankans who I understand will be flying back to Sri Lanka because they don’t want to go to Nauru,” he told Sky News.

”If that’s the case, the government can confirm that and I would welcome that as an outcome.”

Both Immigration Minister Chris Bowen’s office and the Department of Immigration and Citizenship have declined to confirm or comment on Mr Morrison’s claim.

But a source on the island said Mr Morrison’s claim appeared to be correct, although the number of refugees involved was unclear.

Splatacrobat

18 Sep 12 at 10:32 pm
Alice, the problem with Abbott, the inherent problem, is that he will never be a voice for women, half the population, actually more than half. He’s disenfranchised himself from speaking for women, by his words and his history.

Fibro, as a woman, the hour to be crude is coming upon me.

Shut up. You know nothing. You are a troll, ugly and blind. Get back under your bridge and wank there not here.

Just fuck off.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

18 Sep 12 at 10:33 pm
After unsuccessfully adopting a strategy of smear against Campbell Newman in the Queensland election, Labor needs to be careful. So far, Ms Gillard’s personal past has been quarantined from public scrutiny. In the slush fund affair, her relationship with a married man was central. And another such relationship has crossed into her own frontbench ranks, blurring the professional and personal. Based on Labor’s public comments and private urgings this week, it could hardly complain if the opposition chose to explore these issues.

Presumably mentioned above.

Very fair point by The Oz editor.

Which did more damage to women – an imaginary assault on a wall or a couple of wrecked marriages?

C.L.

18 Sep 12 at 10:34 pm
Shut up. You know nothing. You are a troll, ugly and blind. Get back under your bridge and wank there not here.

Gold. The disdain is just imperious.

That’s a troll-slapping that has to leave a mark.

Mk50 of Brisbane

18 Sep 12 at 10:36 pm
Gillard’s awfully cosy with Obama but then he does have the prerequisites, married with kids.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 10:36 pm
Queensland taxeaters made redundant in the state gubberment’s jobs purge will be helped through an $850,000 assistance package from the feral gubberment.
That’s around $61 per head. Yep, that’ll do wonders.

Maybe they should direct the $61 straight to their electricity bill. They will need it if they are going to be at home all day watching repeats of Insiders and Q&A.

Splatacrobat

18 Sep 12 at 10:43 pm
“Fibro, as a woman, the hour to be crude is coming upon me.

Shut up. You know nothing. You are a troll, ugly and blind. Get back under your bridge and wank there not here.

Just fuck off”

Now THAT, Lizzie, was a virtuoso performance.

Author! Author!

Mick Gold Coast QLD

18 Sep 12 at 10:51 pm
Shorten: “Sunday penalties safe.”

Of course, it would never occur to the venal little grub that most of the people who work on weekends prefer to do so, making “penalty” rates an utter oxymoron.

Labor – the party of the 1970s.

James in Melbourne

18 Sep 12 at 10:55 pm
Gab 8:29

All AMH’s kills are halal.

I object to this.

kae

18 Sep 12 at 11:05 pm
Gillard’s awfully cosy with Obama but then he does have the prerequisites, married with kids.

That’s wexist!

Nanuestalker

18 Sep 12 at 11:09 pm
… but also funny!

Nanuestalker

18 Sep 12 at 11:10 pm
Watching Lateline – the’re moaning about in-app purchases by children racking up big payments on their iPads and iPhones.

Nick Xenophon reckons he will fix it by introducing australia specific legislation, which will just mean the apps will be pulled from the Australian app store.

It’s very simple : don’t give kids your password, dimwits.

brc

18 Sep 12 at 11:11 pm
All AMH’s kills are halal.

Really? I didn’t know that. Hell of a lot of halal kills then. Do we get a choice or are we all being fed halal meat? Given the mussies are supposed to be a very small percentage of the population, seems a lot of beef!

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 11:12 pm
Why would Scott Morrison be crowing about the success of the government’s policies? He should be hoping they fail.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 11:13 pm
More the question of why isn’t the feral government happy about the result? Why are they being all secretive about it? Why aren’t they crowing about it?

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 11:17 pm
Scott Morrison be crowing

He said:

”If that’s the case, the government can confirm that and I would welcome that as an outcome.”

How is that crowing, moron?

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 11:19 pm
m0oby-

A bigger “why?” … why comment as you spam shit anyway.

Nanuestalker

18 Sep 12 at 11:19 pm
Why would Scott Morrison be crowing about the success of the government’s policies? He should be hoping they fail.

It wasn’t government policy until they back flipped, adopted (partial) coalition policy and failed to apologise for the thousand bodies in the sea.

Morrison has every right to say ‘I told you so’

brc

18 Sep 12 at 11:24 pm
Why would an opposition spokesman celebrate a positive outcome for the government in his portfolio?

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 11:25 pm
Why wouldn’t the feral government not celebrate a positive outcome for a borrowed part-policy?

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 11:27 pm
Reckons Marr’s problem with Abbott is quite simply a case of Marr “… having the screaming hots for the sort of real man he likes but that will never be requited.”

Either that or he has a fetish for being buggered by the priest that Abbott never quite became. /jk

perturbed

18 Sep 12 at 11:31 pm
LOL

I really enjoyed Lizzie’s exasperated rant.

What empty lives our resident leftist thread pebble-dashing trolls lead.

I suspect for example that liar-steve™ prefers the evident perverse delight he experiences after successfully derailing a Cat thread over anything else life has to offer the pathetic git.

JamesK

18 Sep 12 at 11:40 pm
Why does my coffee go cold when I forget to drink it?

dover_beach

18 Sep 12 at 11:42 pm
Hypertension Man explains why the government is full of fraudsters, adulterers, union timeservers and sexual harrassers.

The pay is too low.

H B Bear

18 Sep 12 at 11:43 pm
Why does my coffee go cold when I forget to drink it?

Insufficient global warming?

SteveC

18 Sep 12 at 11:46 pm
Why wouldn’t the feral government not celebrate a positive outcome for a borrowed part-policy?

They’re hoping the issue goes away, or the opposition is snookered by Labor running Liberal policy. Morrison either doesn’t care and just wants publicity anyway, or doesn’t realise how dumb he looks cheerleading for the government. It certainly undermines the previous line of “they’re not stealing enough of our policy”.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 11:46 pm
I was talking about the political media.

Nice attempt but fail. Here’s your words:

Stick to policy would you ffs.

Ivan Denisovich

18 Sep 12 at 11:47 pm
Yes Ivan, and those words were directed at the media. Do keep up.

m0nty

18 Sep 12 at 11:54 pm
Morrison either doesn’t care and just wants publicity anyway, or doesn’t realise how dumb he looks cheerleading for the government.

You know, I didn’t realise until now just what a vile vicious little man you are, monty. Not little in physicality, little in character. Also, you’re quite dumb.

Nauru is part of the coalition’s policy that they have been pushing for the ferals to reintroduce as part of a total strategy. The ferals have resisted for years, and many deaths later, they finally implement one part of the opposition’s policy. That seems to have had a positive effect as some of the country-shopping queue jumpers have decided they’d rather go home than live in a tent on Nauru. Hey, whaddya reckon? Do you think (heh) it might actually work, in some part, as a deterrent? And isn’t that what Morrison has been talking about for the last few years since the ferals stumbled into power?

Now as the ferals have been promising for the last few years to “stop the boats” and “stop the people smugglers” why aren’t they celebrating this positive event? Could it be they bitterly hate having to implement a coalition policy only to see it start to work? Are they that hateful? Are they that inhumane that for pride they’d rather see more drownings?

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 11:55 pm
The “compassionate” left my arse.

Gab

18 Sep 12 at 11:58 pm
He is a moral vacuum Gab..

Lazlo

19 Sep 12 at 12:01 am
Yes Ivan, and those words were directed at the media. Do keep up.

Rubbish. Your revision fails.

Ivan Denisovich

19 Sep 12 at 12:10 am
Yep, thought so. I’m speechless.

By Judith Sloan.

In keeping with the findings of previous research, it is absolutely clear that refugees fare very badly in terms of employment and financial self-sufficiency. And note that this study was conducted during a period of low overall unemployment.

For example, the employment rate of humanitarian migrants from Afghanistan was recorded at only 9 per cent – note this is not the unemployment rate – five years after settlement and nearly 94 per cent of households from Afghanistan received Centrelink payments.

According to the report, “Afghans have a different settlement experience compared with most other cultural groups, such as having poorer English skills and lower qualifications levels. Yet they are more likely to borrow money, obtain mortgages and experience difficulties in paying them.”

Those from Iraq did little better, with 12 per cent employed and 93 per cent of households in receipt of Centrelink payments. Interestingly, those who did best in the humanitarian group were from Central and West African countries such as Sierra Leone.

Note that these refugees are the least likely to have arrived by boat.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/end-the-boatpeople-centrelink-cycle/story-fnbkvnk7-1226476061727

JC

19 Sep 12 at 12:10 am
Look at this, Lazlo. It’s good news becuase some in Labor actually appear to care. okay, they don’t care about Australians but they do care just how daft Gillard and Swan are and really nothing will change but at least they questioned their own party’s stupidity:

TREASURER Wayne Swan has been tackled by members of his own party on the government’s spending priorities and its ability to pay for big-ticket promises.

As opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey predicted a revenue shortfall this year of up to $25 billion, at least five Labor MPs questioned the government’s spending priorities and the budget’s capacity to fund them.

Labor Senator Doug Cameron and lower house colleagues Ed Husic, Janelle Saffin, Kelvin Thomson and Geoff Lyons spoke up in today’s caucus meeting to express their concerns.

Senator Cameron questioned whether the tax base was sufficient, and asked why Labor was proud that it had shrunk from 24.2 per cent under the Coalition to 22.1 per cent under Labor.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 12:11 am
Yep, JC. Bolt was the first to bring that into the open a while back. Naturally, he was howled down as a racist by the left.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 12:14 am
You’re on the angry pills tonight, Gab.

The coalition has played this issue for pointscoring from start to finish. If they really wanted to stop the boats they would have agreed to the Malaysia solution. No side can claim the high moral ground. Both sides sat by and did nothing for months.

Labor is keeping schtum and leaving it to Morrison to choose between two bad options: cheerlead for the government and thus own the solution, or stay quiet and remove the issue from the media. I guess he couldn’t shut up.

The real danger is that he can’t legitimately turn around and criticise after the next boat goes belly up, since he’s just spent political capital praising the new policy. Then again it’s Morrison, he seemingly has no problem being two-faced. It remains to be seen if the journos will call him out on it.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:21 am
“This (The Australian) editorial, written on Saturday, has caused a nuclear reaction in the Prime Minister’s office. It seems only Labor’s manure smells sweet.

Wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall.”

… from Rudiau at 2:35 pm

She – oops, that’s sexxxxxist – it assumes a self righteous position with such ease! How dare she go “nuclear” and react furiously to any of the truth about her being revealed?

The facts were penned by her, with her behaviour and with her lousy decisions, not by anyone else – if she is so ashamed she ought to have thought about it back then.

An incompetent, barely literate union hack emerges from the sludge and plots and plots until she wins the prize – lots of lovely loot which will sustain her for the rest of her life.

She’s gone ballistic once before over her past being revealed and two blokes have lost their jobs. Who does she think she is?

In an ideal world one hopes that when The Australian’s senior blokes hear she is on the phone, ready to abuse them, they say “Tell her to piss off, we’re busy!” because that is the only response she deserves.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

19 Sep 12 at 12:21 am
No, I’m not angry at all, just utterly surprised by your small-minded partisan outlook, monty. You really are becoming more and more rabid.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 12:26 am
LOL monty the political analyst. Morrison has nothing to fear.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 12:27 am
The Malaysia solution was a non-starter from the word go. Having lived there and seen some of the treatment of refugees (mainly from Burma) by the Malaysian government, I can’t believe our own did the deal.

tbh

19 Sep 12 at 12:29 am
It’s good that you’re trying really hard to say something interesting, Gab. It should be applauded.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:32 am
This is just so interesting, I’ll have to post it in its entirety:

TREASURER Wayne Swan has been tackled by members of his own party on the government’s spending priorities and its ability to pay for big-ticket promises.

As opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey predicted a revenue shortfall this year of up to $25 billion, at least five Labor MPs questioned the government’s spending priorities and the budget’s capacity to fund them.

Labor Senator Doug Cameron and lower house colleagues Ed Husic, Janelle Saffin, Kelvin Thomson and Geoff Lyons spoke up in today’s caucus meeting to express their concerns.

Senator Cameron questioned whether the tax base was sufficient, and asked why Labor was proud that it had shrunk from 24.2 per cent under the Coalition to 22.1 per cent under Labor.

He said the tax base should be broadened to ensure the government could fund major policies such as the national disability insurance scheme and the Gonski education reforms.

Mr Husic questioned why the government had committed to bolstering the pay of community sector workers while slashing pensions for single mums and refusing to boost veterans’ entitlements.

Mr Lyons asked whether the government would consider a special Medicare levy to pay for the NDIS.

This was immediately ruled out by Mr Swan.

Ms Saffin expressed concerns over the government’s ability to meet a promised increase in foreign aid, while Mr Thomson spoke out against cuts to science and medical research.

Mr Hockey seized on the unease on the Labor backbench during question time.

“Their own MPs are in rebellion about their unfunded spending,” he said.

Earlier, he told the Coalition joint party-rioom the government would have to find another $20 billion to $25 billion this financial year due to write downs in company tax receipts.

The government has been forced into preparing a fresh round of budget cuts due to a projected slump in company tax receipts and a series of as-yet unfunded spending commitments.

They include the $10.5 billion NDIS, the $6.5 billion a year Gonski schools reforms, and a $4 billion dental care package.

The promised boost to community sector wages will cost $3 billion to 2021.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 12:38 am
In keeping with the findings of previous research, it is absolutely clear that refugees fare very badly in terms of employment and financial self-sufficiency. And note that this study was conducted during a period of low overall unemployment.

For example, the employment rate of humanitarian migrants from Afghanistan was recorded at only 9 per cent – note this is not the unemployment rate – five years after settlement and nearly 94 per cent of households from Afghanistan received Centrelink payments.

According to the report, “Afghans have a different settlement experience compared with most other cultural groups, such as having poorer English skills and lower qualifications levels. Yet they are more likely to borrow money, obtain mortgages and experience difficulties in paying them.”

Those from Iraq did little better, with 12 per cent employed and 93 per cent of households in receipt of Centrelink payments. Interestingly, those who did best in the humanitarian group were from Central and West African countries such as Sierra Leone.

Note that these refugees are the least likely to have arrived by boat.

But, but, but… that can’t possibly be right. That totally contradicts Doomlord’s view that boat people are industrious ingenious types. As I understand it from Sinkers, these queue-jumping clever chappees are like a motley crew of Burka-wearing Bells, beardy Teslas and Shalwar Kamees-rocking Edisons.

Abu Chowdah

19 Sep 12 at 12:47 am
Excellent:

Peter van Uhm: Why I Chose the Gun

Here General Peter van Uhm, the Netherlands’ chief of defense, explains why he made the gun his chosen tool and the military his career: Because he loves peace and hates evil.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/332964.php

Watch the whole thing.

And that’s one beautiful rifle he presents for the audience.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 12:51 am
Avengers assemble. Take a look at this pack of Charlie uncle November tangos:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-18/supporters-in-court-after-sydney-protest/4268200

I would suggest that the despised bikie association laws might come in handy for putting these mouth breathing cretins in different naughty corners. What fucking thuggish Neanderthals.

Abu Chowdah

19 Sep 12 at 2:17 am
Potemkin’s Village

Dad, why do you risk your life… here

Grigory Potemkin

19 Sep 12 at 3:47 am
The self-appointed election-fixers of the US liberal media are desperate to buy an Obama victory, promoting class warfare as in Australia:

In a speech at the union’s headquarters, Mr. Trumka said that “those so-called victims he dismisses with ease are victims of his — they’re victims of a system that was rigged by Mitt Romney’s backers so they’d lose.”

Romney is standing by his blunt private remarks to supporters on welfare dependency and the intractibility of the Middle East/Israel problem, but voters are being howled at that it was a Romney “gaffe”.

Newspapers like the NY Times are elitist broadsheets that aren’t read by most people, which accounts for the Romney camp’s high morale:

Kevin Madden, a spokesman traveling with Mr. Romney, argued that the video controversy would quickly blow over now that the candidate has explained what he meant. “It has to, I think we’ve put in context the focus of the voters out there,” Mr. Madden said aboard a flight from California to Utah on Tuesday morning. “And the voters I think are really focused on the big issues related on the economy and the direction of the country.”

Asked if Mr. Romney was winning the race right now, Mr. Madden replied, “Well this is a very close campaign,” adding, “I think it will be all the way to Election Day.”

As in Australia, Americans have figured out the liberal media don’t represent the public interest, so the punters are deserting them in droves.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 5:56 am
It’s a gaffe to say the Palis don’t really want peace?
A gaffe to realise that people vote for more handouts once they’ve grown accustomed to them?
A lot of ethnic groups and social security addicts in Australia do just that – vote for the party with the easier attitude to handouts. That’s the sort of asylum many are seeking.

Blogstrop

19 Sep 12 at 6:20 am
Abu @2.17am is it just me or does the one on the left look like Ringo Starr?

nilk

19 Sep 12 at 6:49 am
The lead “story” at the Sydney Morning Herald website was written by a muslim university student:

Why were some protesters chanting ”Our dead are in paradise, your dead are in hell”? When prominent Muslim leaders cannot even begin to fathom how some Muslim youth have mentioned corpses when apparently protesting about a movie, we need to question whether the real problem is that such leaders are incredibly out of touch with the reality of Muslim youth in this country …

To begin with, many Muslims in Australia do not simply give up their identity as belonging to a global community merely because they happen to live in Australia. Many have not bought the liberal idea of individualism, and so see events happening on the other side of the planet as personally related to them. So, when a Muslim woman is killed collecting firewood in Afghanistan, these youth are angered at the fact that their sister was murdered. When a Muslim man is crushed to death in Palestine, they lament the loss of their brother. It may not make sense to a Western audience, but that doesn’t matter.

Oh good, no need for immigrants to integrate. It’s our fault.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 7:07 am
Meanwhile, the SMH relishes an excuse to run a Gotcha! photo of an opposition front-bencher along with a “sketch” showing how unparliamentary the Liberals have made federal parliament. Fairfax is quite confident that a majority of the Australian population are idiots.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 7:20 am
FMD. The AFR, of all places, has gone full retard on its front page this morning on the strength of blantantly wishful speculation by its own correspondent, of which there has not been a word in the US media: Romney: could this be the end?

Mark down this clown, Ben Potter, for some serious blogospheric retribution in November.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 7:48 am
tom,

What about this one!!!!!!

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/politics/happy-ending-or-not-gillard-a-heroine-in-political-sphere-20120918-264i9.html

One wonders ‘Who is up who?”

Mike

Mike of Marion

19 Sep 12 at 8:16 am
Mike, LOL. That’s hilarious. The left expects people to read that shit with a straight face.

Tanja Kovac is a writer, lawyer and research fellow at EMILY’s List Australia.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 8:20 am
Good morning Tom.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 8:27 am
Forget, too, the personal sacrifice, professional brilliance and sheer guts it took to get into Parliament in the first place.

You cannot help but admire Tanya Kovacs mastery of Newspeak. It takes a certain level of belief to describe constructive termination as a law partner and a job organized by Mother Kirner with John Cain as professional brilliance.

It also takes a certain world view of your readers to publish it.

H B Bear

19 Sep 12 at 8:42 am
But, but, but… that can’t possibly be right. That totally contradicts Doomlord’s view that boat people are industrious ingenious types. As I understand it from Sinkers, these queue-jumping clever chappees are like a motley crew of Burka-wearing Bells, beardy Teslas and Shalwar Kamees-rocking Edisons.

No, it’s not.

Australia has home grown bludgers and poor bastards born into generational poverty. What proportion of these people ever get a job? Plenty of women born in Australia under the age of 20 call themselves “pensioners” because they’ve popped out a sprog and get welfare for it. The lunacy starts when they start demanding pensioner prices.

The shame is we are conditioning refugees to the same life of misery and being dead last on the social rungs.

.

19 Sep 12 at 8:59 am
Jump the effort you are after is Operation Paperclip.
You should also chase down more detail of Operation LuSTy, the effort to bring back captured Me262s to the US.

Bob Sewell

19 Sep 12 at 9:08 am

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