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It can happen here – it already is

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This is from Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit who, for the record, is a law professor at the University of Tennessee. He begins with a quote from the Los Angeles Times :

‘Just after midnight Saturday morning, authorities descended on the Cerritos home of the man believed to be the filmmaker behind the anti-Muslim movie that has sparked protests and rioting in the Muslim world.’

When taking office, the President does not swear to create jobs. He does not swear to ‘grow the economy.’ He does not swear to institute ‘fairness.’ The only oath the President takes is this one:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

By sending — literally — brownshirted enforcers to engage in — literally — a midnight knock at the door of a man for the non-crime of embarrassing the President of the United States and his administration, President Obama violated that oath. You can try to pretty this up (It’s just about possible probation violations! Sure.), or make excuses or draw distinctions, but that’s what’s happened. It is a betrayal of his duties as President, and a disgrace.

He won’t resign, of course. First, the President has the appreciation of free speech that one would expect from a Chicago Machine politician, which is to say, none. Second, he’s not getting any pressure. Indeed, the very press that went crazy over Ari Fleischer’s misrepresented remarks seems far less interested in the actions of an administration that I repeat, literally sent brown-shirted enforcers to launch a midnight knock on a filmmaker’s door.

But Obama’s behavior — and that of his enablers in the press — has laid down a marker for those who are paying attention. By these actions he is, I repeat, unfit to hold office. I hope and expect that the voters will agree in November.

And for the record, whatever might have been the motivation for the protests in the Middle East and elsewhere, it was not an obscure film trailer by a nobody producer. These were a calculated premeditated series of assaults on American embassies to coincide with September 11.

Update: There has been a Quickmeme series of postings based on the above photo where captions are placed around the picture. Clever they are, but I worry that it turns what is extraordinarily serious into something frivolous and a kind of joke which this is not. But if you are interested, you can go here.

Written by Steve Kates

September 16th, 2012 at 10:51 am

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  1. How much longer can they obscure the truth from the American people about this egregiously illiberal and constitution-disrespecting President?

    I keep thinking the dam is about to burst.

    What stories do leak through that suggest the truth get dropped with no zero analysis or reference to the obvious implications.

    It’s similar to the Canberra press gallery horde’s protection of Gillard but our fifth column is no where near as egregious as the MSM in the United States.

    Which is a breath-catching observation in and of itself.

    JamesK

    16 Sep 12 at 11:05 am

  2. Oh no, they knocked on his door at midnight and took him in for a voluntary interview! The constitution is in tatters!

    What a load of self serving crap. Where is the outrage for Guantanamo. That is unconstitutional. This is a Devonshire tea.

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 11:07 am

  3. Bringing him in at midnight was a blatant attempt to intimidate. His alleged crime is so trivial there is no excuse for acting outside office hours.

    Cold-Hands

    16 Sep 12 at 11:13 am

  4. Looks like at least five coppers and looks like he’s been hand-cuffed, raided his place at midnight (why at that time, overtime rates?), none of which looks like a ‘voluntary interview!’. They were going to arrest this man regardless. it’s just another way of Obama apologising to Islamists.

    Gab

    16 Sep 12 at 11:18 am

  5. Typical American overkill. It really is becoming a police state.

    Julian O'Dea

    16 Sep 12 at 11:18 am

  6. “By sending — literally — brownshirted enforcers to engage in — literally — a midnight knock at the door of a man for the non-crime of embarrassing the President of the United States and his administration, President Obama violated that oath.”

    Obama sent them? Personally? Were the Feds even involved? All I see are sheriffs.

    Jarrah

    16 Sep 12 at 11:19 am

  7. It will make for an interesting episode of COPS.

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 11:21 am

  8. Yeah, looks like he’s just toodling down for a ‘voluntary’ interview! I imagine he told the police to come at midnight because his schedule was full and that was the only available time.

    John Mc

    16 Sep 12 at 11:22 am

  9. I was waiting for a flight at the Sydney domestic terminal last night when I saw the Sydney “protests” on the news.
    I couldn’t heaer it all, but I know it’s not a protest, it is an incitement to violence.

    kae

    16 Sep 12 at 11:22 am

  10. Oh, and Fitzsimmonds, the red bandana man, is an idiot – see his SMH item today.

    kae

    16 Sep 12 at 11:23 am

  11. tick the box

    kae

    16 Sep 12 at 11:24 am

  12. The funniest bit is when they interviewed one of the muzzies and he justified the aggressive nature of the protest and the signs to behead others as freedom of speech!

    John Mc

    16 Sep 12 at 11:25 am

  13. Oh no, they knocked on his door at midnight and took him in for a voluntary interview! The constitution is in tatters!

    There are 5 brownshirts in the above picture for the midnight rendez-vous.

    I wonder if perennial clown m0nty will explain that?

    JamesK

    16 Sep 12 at 11:29 am

  14. LAPD sheriffs love the media spotlight.

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 11:34 am

  15. the signs to behead others as freedom of speech!

    In which case, protests should be organized with signs saying ‘behead those who would say behead those’. What? We can’t do that? why not? What, becuase we’d be as barbaric as them? Oh. We lose.

    Gab

    16 Sep 12 at 11:37 am

  16. I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

    Barry lied. He has never done anything to preserve, protect or defend the Constitution. To the contrary he is doing his damndest to destroy it.

    nilk

    16 Sep 12 at 11:38 am

  17. I’m sure it was For His Own Protection…

    ar

    16 Sep 12 at 11:44 am

  18. LAPD sheriffs love the media spotlight.</blockquote

    LA Times Article:

    Sheriff’s officials could not be reached by The Times, but department spokesman Steve Whitmore told KNBC News that deputies assisting the federal probation department took Nakoula to the sheriff’s substation in Cerritos for interviewing.

    Is that all La County sheriffs or just LA County sheriffs’ “deputies assisting the federal probation department” m0nty, you clown?

    And who might have called the press to alert them to voluntary midnight chat and where the brown-shirts would pick up the ‘volunteer’ for the midnight ‘limousine’ ride?

    JamesK

    16 Sep 12 at 11:45 am

  19. Monty and Jarrah cool with it.

    What a surprise.

    C.L.

    16 Sep 12 at 11:47 am

  20. The address had been leaked beforehand, hadn’t it? I assume the networks would have staked it out.

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 11:47 am

  21. Regardless of the parole violation issue, the optics are aren’t good.

    Where is the outrage for Guantanamo. That is unconstitutional.

    Well raised, mØnty.
    If only there was someone in the Oval Office who knew a thing or two about constitutional law.

    lotocoti

    16 Sep 12 at 11:48 am

  22. It’s all just a great big Establishment joke.
    Peter Reith on Bolta says he wouldn’t constrain Muslim immigration while attempting to assimilate the ones already in-country..
    LibLab agrees with LabLib.

    Alfonso

    16 Sep 12 at 11:53 am

  23. LAPD sheriffs love the media spotlight.

    Do they? You know this because you live there, have kept the news clippings?

    You make shit up as you along fat boy.

    JC

    16 Sep 12 at 11:53 am

  24. It amuses me that you lot would use the Nazi slur “brownshirt” to describe the LAPD, one of the most milquetoast departments in the force post the Rodney King incident. They’re a running joke, they way they constantly excuse celebrities from crimes. Lindsay Lohan could pretty much fly a plane into Disneyland and they’d let her off with a traffic ticket.

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 11:53 am

  25. Do they? You know this because you live there, have kept the news clippings?

    I follow a certain celebrity news blog. They feature constantly.

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 11:55 am

  26. Monst is now an expert of US police departments. If you ever want information … Even the most obscure on US cops, you need to reference fat boy.

    JC

    16 Sep 12 at 11:56 am

  27. I follow a certain celebrity news blog. They feature constantly.

    Perez Hilton is where all the top criminologists get their briefings.

    Infidel Tiger

    16 Sep 12 at 11:57 am

  28. fat boy

    Seeing as you’re a cross between Martin Scorcese and Groucho Marx, JC, you’re in no position to start throwing stones old man.

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 11:59 am

  29. monty

    Under the 14th amendment the President is obliged to overrule local authorities who abuse the constitutional rights of citizens.

    Yes Gitmo is a disgrace. Obama didn’t shut it down. He promised and he didn’t.

    He doesn’t stand up for civil rights the way the Kennedys or Eisenhower did either.

    He represents the worst of the PATRIOT Act and the worst of debunked economics. What a shit bloke.

    .

    16 Sep 12 at 11:59 am

  30. Lol IT

    JC

    16 Sep 12 at 11:59 am

  31. I follow a certain celebrity news blog.

    I’d ban you for that admission.

    It’s almost as sad as when terminal deadshit rog quoted Zoo Magazine.

    Infidel Tiger

    16 Sep 12 at 12:02 pm

  32. WWTDD actually.

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 12:02 pm

  33. Monster,

    You could at least do something about your appearance, such as cutting down on the dozen crispy creams you inhale per 1/2 day sessions.

    Anyway who the fuck are you kidding, that you can have an informed opinion on the LAPD by reading Perez Hilton, you appalling overweight lazy lard ball.

    JC

    16 Sep 12 at 12:04 pm

  34. Yes Gitmo is a disgrace. Obama didn’t shut it down. He promised and he didn’t.

    It’s a stain on his presidency. Yet it’s so far from being an election topic that Gitmo might as well be on Mars. It’s a shame that such attacks on the constitution are bipartisan policy.

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 12:05 pm

  35. monty @ 11.53 you are confused

    The LAPD and LASO are seperate departments and they both have trained US military units for sniper duty.

    The LA and Cali courts are not run by the sheriffs in the above photo. The judges do that. The sheriffs run the gaols and do non metro community policing and of unincorporated areas.

    .

    16 Sep 12 at 12:06 pm

  36. It’s almost as sad as when terminal deadshit rog quoted Zoo Magazine

    That ranks as the gold standard of links. He rarely ever came back after that.

    JC

    16 Sep 12 at 12:06 pm

  37. You could do something about your appearance too, JC. Trim those eyebrows, geez you look like a tranny who does eyeliner with a crayon. Get a better shaver too, you’re one of those people with a permanent five o’clock shadow. You’re swarthier than Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Come to think of it, do you have some Arabic blood in you?

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 12:09 pm

  38. The bloke is guilty of making a terrible movie that no one wants to watch and is clearly a waste of money.

    On those grounds, we should be rounding up 90% of the Australian film industry and sending them off to camps.

    Boy on a bike

    16 Sep 12 at 12:09 pm

  39. Come to think of it, do you have some Arabic blood in you?

    Racist.

    .

    16 Sep 12 at 12:10 pm

  40. Yes, bi partisan policy… Such as the lawsuit against Gallup. Bush was suing all the polling firms that didn’t show him up in the count.

    Fuck off monster. As Stix has pointed out many many times, you have to be forced fed before you support freedom of speech etc.

    Don’t even fucking pretend.

    Like all the leftwing trolls here, you support finkelstiening the media, so the LAPD thing is nothing to you.

    JC

    16 Sep 12 at 12:11 pm

  41. Barry lied. He has never done anything to preserve, protect or defend the Constitution. To the contrary he is doing his damndest to destroy it.

    Obama did that when he took office. He was born in Kenya!

    Also. Guess which placard got the media outraged?
    “Ditch the Witch” or “Behead all those…”

    Anne

    16 Sep 12 at 12:11 pm

  42. LAPD sheriffs love the media spotlight.”

    Fuck me but you are an embarrassment to this blog.

    What the hell is an “LAPD sheriff“, you Super-Genius, you?

    “Monst is now an expert of US police departments. If you ever want information … Even the most obscure on US cops, you need to reference fat boy.”

    Quite so.

    sdog

    16 Sep 12 at 12:12 pm

  43. Come to think of it, do you have some Arabic blood in you?

    No. Why?

    “Your lot” doesn’t like Arabs? Knock off the crispy creams monster.

    JC

    16 Sep 12 at 12:14 pm

  44. …and looks like he’s been hand-cuffed

    The article says his hands were free :

    The man declined to answer questions on his way out and wore a hat and a scarf over his face. He kept his hands in the pockets of a winter coat.

    I suspect the hands were hidden to prevent either establishing racial identity or display of distinctive aspects of his hands (fancy tattoo, missing finger, whatever, that would assist identification).

    Keith

    16 Sep 12 at 12:16 pm

  45. It wouldn’t surprise me if this whole Italian thing is a front, JC, and you’re really an Ashkenazi Jew or something. Though you do like you some Italian designer jeans. You’re a man of mystery.

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 12:18 pm

  46. I suspect the hands were hidden to prevent either establishing racial identity or display of distinctive aspects of his hands (fancy tattoo, missing finger, whatever, that would assist identification).

    Or that he’s actually an albino!

    Lay off the Dan Brown novels, Keith.

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 12:19 pm

  47. Here’s a good question.

    Official White House spokesman Jay Carney has come out and declared that these protests are directed at an offensive movie, not at the United States, right?

    So… If movies offensive to Muslims truly “cause” terrorism, what about Sony’s upcoming film celebrating the death of Osama?

    Maybe Team Obama wants to rethink that whole “football spiking” thing?

    sdog

    16 Sep 12 at 12:19 pm

  48. It wouldn’t surprise me if this whole Italian thing is a front, JC, and you’re really an Ashkenazi Jew or something.

    mOnty has gone full leftard and is now abusing people as secret Jews.

    His honesty is refreshing.

    Infidel Tiger

    16 Sep 12 at 12:20 pm

  49. The article says his hands were free :

    Well that’s something, I guess. Pity the rest of him wasn’t free.

    Gab

    16 Sep 12 at 12:21 pm

  50. If JC wants to go personal, I can go personal too. Two way street.

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 12:22 pm

  51. On those grounds, we should be rounding up 90% of the Australian film industry and sending them off to camps.

    Good point. Quite a few movies are crimes. As in taking money under false pretences.

    Keith

    16 Sep 12 at 12:23 pm

  52. Official White House spokesman Jay Carney has come out and declared that these protests are directed at an offensive movie, not at the United States, right?

    Makes you wonder then why they set fire to the German embassy in Sudan.

    Yobbo

    16 Sep 12 at 12:24 pm

  53. Keith, one pointer to his identity is that he has appalling fashion sense.
    That will help narrow it down.

    Bob Sewell

    16 Sep 12 at 12:24 pm

  54. Pity the rest of him wasn’t free.

    Correct. What was his crime exactly ?
    Under habeus corpus there has to be a charge. Oh wait, that hc was struck down by the so-called Patriot Act.

    Keith

    16 Sep 12 at 12:25 pm

  55. what about Sony’s upcoming film celebrating the death of Osama?

    Osama will be made out to be the hero in the film if Sony knows what’s good for them. Obama will of course be portrayed as the hero, that’s a given. A film can have two heroes..

    Gab

    16 Sep 12 at 12:26 pm

  56. Keith, one pointer to his identity is that he has appalling fashion sense.
    That will help narrow it down.

    Bob, that would put me in the frame.

    Keith

    16 Sep 12 at 12:27 pm

  57. “You’re a man of mystery.”

    Whereas your stupidity and fatness are seen by the whole world, Monty the Muncher.

    Bob Sewell

    16 Sep 12 at 12:28 pm

  58. What was his crime exactly ?

    Freedom of speech.

    Gab

    16 Sep 12 at 12:28 pm

  59. Some of the actors in the movie apparently didn’t know they were doing an anti Islam type movie and thought it was just something about a sheik in a desert, I hope their identities whereabouts remain secret there may be risk to them?

    candy

    16 Sep 12 at 12:29 pm

  60. Can we please stop with the Monty fat attacks? it just clogs up the thread. Ta.

    Gab

    16 Sep 12 at 12:29 pm

  61. Zoo and Picture are excellent sources. The equivalent of the old and new testaments. Bag Girls are just 21st century versions of lots wife.

    Pickles

    16 Sep 12 at 12:30 pm

  62. Or that he’s actually an albino!

    You mean it’s, shock/horror, Julian Assange under those coverings monty ?
    So the Yanks have finally abducted him?
    Good work you better phone that into Fairfax. I’m sure they’d give it run.

    Keith

    16 Sep 12 at 12:31 pm

  63. LOL Keith.

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 12:33 pm

  64. sdog

    16 Sep 12 at 12:46 pm

  65. Makes you wonder then why they set fire to the German embassy in Sudan.

    I’ve heard that generations of inbreeding can take its toll.

    sdog

    16 Sep 12 at 12:48 pm

  66. State Department: Stop asking us about the Benghazi attack

    Apparently the Washington press corp (or should that be corpse?) aren’t to ask questions about the Benghazi attack and killings because that is conveniently “under investigation”:

    The State Department told reporters Friday afternoon that it won’t answer any more questions about the Sept. 11 attack on the consulate in Benghazi that killed four Americans until the investigation into the incident is complete.

    “I’m going to frustrate all of you, infinitely, by telling you that now that we have an open FBI investigation on the death of these four Americans, we are not going to be in a position to talk at all about what the U.S. government may or may not be learning about how any of this this happened — not who they were, not how it happened, not what happened to Ambassador Stevens, not any of it — until the Justice Department is ready to talk about the investigation that’s its got,” State Department spokeswoman Victorian Nuland told reporters late Friday afternoon.

    All aspects of the attack, including what led up to it, its causes, the identity of the perpetrators, and the circumstances surrounding the death of Amb. Chris Stevens and the other three Americans,are off limits for reporters.

    The new policy leaves many questions about the Benghazi attack unanswered, potentially for a long time, such as the identity of the attackers, whether they were connected to protests earlier in the day in Cairo, what were the exact circumstances and cause of Stevens’s death, whether the administration had indications of the threat beforehand, and whether the consulate’s security was adequate or not.

    JamesK

    16 Sep 12 at 12:55 pm

  67. Yes Gab, it clogs up the threads. Just like the crap that the Fabulous Four have been shoving down our throats. I, and several others have asked for people to not respond to their bullshit, but to no avail.
    So if no one else is going to exercise restraint, why should I?
    Besides it’s good for releasing tension.

    Bob Sewell

    16 Sep 12 at 1:04 pm

  68. It’s good that you’re not a gutless coward, Bob, so we can judge you at your web site entitled http://vrwcptyltd/. Oh wait…

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 1:10 pm

  69. monty,

    Do you agree that the President is obliged to enforce the 14th amendment now?

    .

    16 Sep 12 at 1:26 pm

  70. I see M0nty’s point, the Sun Kings admin named the movie maker so all the jihadists in the world knew who to take out, then sent a few sheriffs to rescue him. Sure, I’m buying it ;)

    Seeing the Sun King is rounding up makers of crap products that offend, when, oh when, will he be getting to boy/men running website based upon footy tipping?

    Token

    16 Sep 12 at 1:53 pm

  71. Does the man allege anything in his movie that is actually false? Taking offense at a great falsehood could at least be understood by others more readily than being offended by someone telling the truth (however badly).

    Ellen of Tasmania

    16 Sep 12 at 2:05 pm

  72. Can we please stop with the Monty fat attacks? it just clogs up the thread. Ta

    I agree.

    dd

    16 Sep 12 at 2:06 pm

  73. Did the movie trailer refer to the bit where Mo consummated his marriage with his 9yo wife?

    Token

    16 Sep 12 at 2:09 pm

  74. Tell you what Gab, if you can cut him to 8 crispy creams per day I’ll cut it down by 50% as a proportional response to fat boy’s newly found discipline. Deal?

    JC

    16 Sep 12 at 2:10 pm

  75. Man behind anti-Islam film won’t return home after released by cops
    Nakoula Basseley Nakoula interviewed by police for half-hour over suspicions he violated probation terms

    LOS ANGELES (AP) — A Southern California filmmaker linked to an anti-Islamic movie inflaming protests across the Middle East was interviewed Saturday by federal probation officers at a Los Angeles sheriff’s station, authorities said.

    Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, was interviewed for about half an hour at the station shortly after 12 a.m. in his hometown of Cerritos, Calif., said Steve Whitmore, spokesman for the Los Angeles County sheriff’s department.

    After that, deputies dropped Nakoula off at an undisclosed location.

    “He is gone. We don’t know where he went,” Whitmore said. “He said he is not going back to his home.”

    Federal officials are investigating whether Nakoula, who has been convicted of financial crimes, has violated the terms of his five-year probation. If so, a judge could send him back to prison.

    Nakoula went voluntarily to the station, wearing a coat, hat, scarf and glasses that concealed his appearance. His home has been besieged by media for several days.

    Whitmore said Nakoula was not handcuffed and the heavy apparel was his idea.

    The probation department is reviewing the case of Nakoula, who pleaded no contest to bank fraud charges in 2010 and was banned from using computers or the Internet or using false identities as part of his sentence. Whitmore did not disclose other details about the interview.

    There’s more at the Times of Israel link

    JamesK

    16 Sep 12 at 2:14 pm

  76. Chris Matthews angry US isn’t a one party state: “Arrogant” Romney “Showed A Certain Kind Of Disdain” By Decision To Run Against Obama.

    Yes really. Must be seen to be believed:

    Video.

    C.L.

    16 Sep 12 at 2:17 pm

  77. The probation department is reviewing the case of Nakoula, who pleaded no contest to bank fraud charges in 2010 and was banned from using computers or the Internet or using false identities as part of his sentence.

    I think the freedom of speech thing is being over cooked perhaps. Perhaps.

    It says he went willingly to the police station. Perhaps he wasn’t interviewed about the movie at all, but the terms and conditions of his bail. It sounds to me that we’re not dealing with a good guy here. He’s no hero by any stretch.

    JC

    16 Sep 12 at 2:17 pm

  78. He’s no hero by any stretch

    That is not the issue or point JC

    JamesK

    16 Sep 12 at 2:22 pm

  79. monty,

    Do you agree that the President is obliged to enforce the 14th amendment now?

    To shut down Gitmo? Sure.

    To punish officers who interviewed an ex-con about the likely violation of his probation? Not relevant.

    m0nty

    16 Sep 12 at 2:30 pm

  80. No, I know James.

    I’m just going on the stuff known about him. I’m very uncertain he was apprehended over the issue of the movie by itself.

    If the cops have information about a movie posted on the web that he was involved with and there were court restrictions on him from going anywhere near the internet etc. it makes me doubtful that he was interviewed about the movie. It just doesn’t gel.

    If it was about the movie alone then the Feds would have been involved and not the LAPD schleps.

    Where did the LAPD get the info that he was involved though? Who passed it onto them and why? The Feds? If it was the Feds why did they do so and was it done because they knew about his convictions/restrictions?

    JC

    16 Sep 12 at 2:39 pm

  81. To punish officers who interviewed an ex-con about the likely violation of his probation? Not relevant.

    Monst, Fuck off. You took this line of argument from me and now using it yourself without attribution. This has nothing to do with what you’ve been saying and doing before I posted that comment, as you were only trolling prior to that like the typical fat boy you are.

    JC

    16 Sep 12 at 2:41 pm

  82. It was the Federal Probation Department that interviewed him not LA County sheriff.

    JamesK

    16 Sep 12 at 2:41 pm

  83. It was the Federal Probation Department that interviewed him not LA County sheriff.

    Okay, now we’re getting somewhere. So it wasn’t about the movie at all in a direct way (possibly). Look I’m not prepared to give this fucker any latitude at all. If he broke his probation agreement then he needs to go back to jail. He’s a crook.

    You never know, because the actors may be lying, but it seems he got them to work under false pretenses too. Everything about him appears to be a fraud.

    JC

    16 Sep 12 at 2:45 pm

  84. So it wasn’t about the movie at all in a direct way (possibly).

    I can’t imagine why they’d need to interview him to decide if he broke his probation.

    But they let him go after 30 mins.

    Worse still it tells the islamists that they can murder US ambassadors and the US government can then act to suppress free speech.

    The Obumma admin are woeful on so many levels.

    But much worse they are dangerous.

    JamesK

    16 Sep 12 at 2:55 pm

  85. “Why ‘Sam Bacile’ deserves arrest”, by Anthea Butler, associate professor of religious studies at the University of Pennsylvania. This is a university professor saying that someone should be locked up for making a film. Unbelievable.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/story/2012-09-12/Sam-Bacile-Anthea-Butler/57769732/1

    Dangph

    16 Sep 12 at 3:12 pm

  86. Eugene Volokh: Why Punishing Blasphemous Speech That Triggers Murderous Reactions Would Likely Lead to More Deaths

    In recent days, I’ve heard various people calling for punishing the maker of Innocence of Muslims, and more broadly for suppressing such speech…..

    I think there are many reasons to resist such calls, but in this post I want to focus on one: I think such suppression would likely lead to more riots and more deaths, not less. Here’s why.

    Behavior that gets rewarded, gets repeated.
    (Relatedly, “once you have paid him the Dane-geld, you never get rid of the Dane.”) Say that the murders in Libya lead us to pass a law banning some kinds of speech that Muslims find offensive or blasphemous, or reinterpreting our First Amendment rules to make it possible to punish such speech under some existing law.

    What then will extremist Muslims see? They killed several Americans (maybe itself a plus from their view). In exchange, they’ve gotten America to submit to their will. And on top of that, they’ve gotten back at blasphemers, and deter future blasphemy. A triple victory.

    JamesK

    16 Sep 12 at 3:40 pm

  87. Isn’t the message being sent by the pop-left here loud and clear?

    Next time a “piss christ”, etc goes public the only possible response is to riot and murder.

    And what of abortion? Surely extreme anti-abortionists will feel justified in rioting and murdering next time they feel “offended” by some offensive “pro choice” satire?

    Then we can in the name of consistency fully expect the offending “artists” / “activists” will immediately be denounced, outed and held to “account” by the pop-left demanding the they be sent to jail for causing the offence to the extreme anti-abortionists.

    But then, it’s not going to work like that is it?

    twostix

    16 Sep 12 at 3:45 pm

  88. It is astounding that the focus is on ‘Sam Bacile’. And it’s absolutely shameful.

    dover_beach

    16 Sep 12 at 3:45 pm

  89. “Sam Bacile” – brother of “Im Becile”.

    boy on a bike

    16 Sep 12 at 3:57 pm

  90. To punish officers who interviewed an ex-con about the likely violation of his probation? Not relevant.

    How is making a movie a violation of his parole?

    .

    16 Sep 12 at 4:58 pm

  91. It wouldn’t surprise me if this whole Italian thing is a front, JC, and you’re really an Ashkenazi Jew or something.

    muttley – DO NOT GO THERE.

    There’s a good lad.

    Rabz

    16 Sep 12 at 5:19 pm

  92. And here is Anthea Butler’s blog.

    This is a religious studies teacher.

    Nothing more need be said.

    nilk

    16 Sep 12 at 5:21 pm

  93. How is making a movie a violation of his parole?

    It looks like he was conducting business under an alias. His probation for fraud forbade using an alias and accessing the Internet.

    AJ

    16 Sep 12 at 5:25 pm

  94. You have no evidence that’s the case, AJ.

    We don’t know as yet.

    Stop attempting to finkelstein the right to speech as far away as the US, you ragbag.

    JC

    16 Sep 12 at 5:27 pm

  95. The DiploMad, a former employee at the Department of State, gives some insight to the Libya situation.

    Clearly, our operation in Libya was one of those. Heads should roll, including that of the Secretary. Yes, Secretary Clinton should leave or be fired.

    Rudiau

    16 Sep 12 at 5:29 pm

  96. You have no evidence that’s the case, AJ.

    Given that he has been linked to making a movie under the alias ‘Sam Bacile’ by pretty much every media outlet in the world, I can imagine why his probation officer might want a word.

    AJ

    16 Sep 12 at 5:38 pm

  97. What a complete load of crap. Do you guys ever check any of the bullshit you read before you post it?

    A SOUTHERN California filmmaker linked to an anti-Islamic movie was interviewed by federal probation officers in Los Angeles but was not arrested or detained.

    Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, was interviewed for about half an hour at the station in his hometown of Cerritos, California, said Steve Whitmore, spokesman for the Los Angeles County sheriff’s department.

    After that, deputies dropped Nakoula off at an undisclosed location.

    Stick to economics Steve Kates.

    SteveC

    16 Sep 12 at 5:52 pm

  98. Link, please.

    Steve – however thanks for showing that monty lied.

    .

    16 Sep 12 at 5:54 pm

  99. The probation department in California’s central district is reviewing the case of Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, who was previously convicted on bank fraud charges and was banned from using computers or the Internet as part of his sentence. The review is aimed at learning whether Nakoula violated the terms of his five-year probation.

    SteveC

    16 Sep 12 at 5:55 pm

  100. Apparently David Irving and Snoop Dogg are not deemed fit to enter Australia but Taji Mustafa is.

    Infidel Tiger

    16 Sep 12 at 5:57 pm

  101. SteveC

    16 Sep 12 at 5:57 pm

  102. What a complete load of crap. Do you guys ever check any of the bullshit you read before you post it?

    What point or points exactly do you believe you just made in your last two fucktard posts SteveC?

    JamesK

    16 Sep 12 at 6:00 pm

  103. I heard on the news that google have refused to pull the video.

    And as to violation of parole – who said he was the one who posted it? Evidence, please?

    Helen Armstrong

    16 Sep 12 at 6:04 pm

  104. That the whole post is a load of crap, as I said JamesK. Brown-shirts? Ordered by the president? You should lay off the Dan Brown novels too.

    SteveC

    16 Sep 12 at 6:06 pm

  105. And as to violation of parole – who said he was the one who posted it? Evidence, please?

    Duh, that’s what the police are trying to find out, and why he went voluntarily to the station to answer police questions. Maybe I could ask Jaques to rename this blog the Dan Brown files.

    SteveC

    16 Sep 12 at 6:08 pm

  106. The police are trying to “find out” if he violated parole? A voluntary Q&A session at 12.30 am?

    I’m guessing that isn’t SOP.

    .

    16 Sep 12 at 6:20 pm

  107. stevec appears to be very upset about something….not sure what.

    Gab

    16 Sep 12 at 6:21 pm

  108. The video is irrelevant. If he had not made it they would have found offence in some other video, or whathaveyou. The attacks were premeditated. The protests have been orchestrated. The only people to blame are the murderers and their accomplices in Libya and abroad. They need to be relentlessly pursued and prosecuted.

    dover_beach

    16 Sep 12 at 6:21 pm

  109. Parole violation or not isn’t it rather unusual to decide to interview someone in the middle of the night in non urgent circumstances? Or is this standard procedure for police in the US? Though they’ve probably ended up doing him a service giving him the opportunity to evade the press pack.

    Though one statement which doesn’t really make sense is the authorities saying they don’t know where he is – surely notifying the authorities of his location would be a standard requirement for someone on probation?

    Chris

    16 Sep 12 at 6:23 pm

  110. Rudiau thanks for that link to the Diplomad . Fascinating readind

    Daisy

    16 Sep 12 at 6:23 pm

  111. Reading

    Daisy

    16 Sep 12 at 6:24 pm

  112. The violent protesters in Sydney, whoever the hell they are, ought to be charged with riot and or affray.

    Surely the Premier issuing a warning to “stay out of the CBD” constitutes “causing terror to a person of reasonable firmness”, as the Crimes Act says?

    .

    16 Sep 12 at 6:24 pm

  113. see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk for the stoning scence from The Life of Brian. that film was denounced as blasphemy too

    Jim Rose

    16 Sep 12 at 6:24 pm

  114. chris you make perfect sense.

    .

    16 Sep 12 at 6:25 pm

  115. The leftist mind: 1st amendment trashed, muzzies gone wild… look over there a unicorn riding a bicycle!

    Infidel Tiger

    16 Sep 12 at 6:27 pm

  116. Jim,

    The Prophet (1976) was also denounced as blasphemous. I mean, you couldn’t make a more respectful movie than that.

    Some people are misanthropic shits, the problem is when they head a revolution, rule a nuclear armed country or decide that a liberal democracy would like a bit of Beruit style sectarian violence, despite what everyone else, including their fellow believers, actually think.

    .

    16 Sep 12 at 6:27 pm

  117. see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ni559bHXDg for the first of four part a discussion was held about the then-new film Monty Python’s Life of Brian, which been banned by many local councils and caused protests throughout the world with accusations that it was blasphemous.

    To argue in favour of this accusation were broadcaster and noted Christian Malcolm Muggeridge and Mervyn Stockwood (the then Bishop of Southwark).

    In its defence were John Cleese and Michael Palin.

    Jim Rose

    16 Sep 12 at 6:28 pm

  118. stevec appears to be very upset about something….not sure what.

    His shrunken genitals and pathetic life is short odds.

    Infidel Tiger

    16 Sep 12 at 6:28 pm

  119. “Behead those who insult profits”

    We’re after you Wayne Swan.

    Infidel Tiger

    16 Sep 12 at 6:29 pm

  120. Jesus Christ Superstar is a rock opera about the last seven days of the life of Christ. Tim Rice was quoted as saying “It happens that we don’t see Christ as God but simply the right man at the right time at the right place.”

    Some Christians consider these comments blasphemous, the character of Judas too sympathetic and some of his criticisms of Jesus offensive

    Jim Rose

    16 Sep 12 at 6:36 pm

  121. So how many people were killed over the ‘blasphemous’ Life of Brian? How many embassies were stormed? Were there a world-wide protests demanding beheadings?

    Gab

    16 Sep 12 at 6:43 pm

  122. Jim

    …and some people call the last temptation of christ blasphemous…perhaps if you aren’t very perceptive and don’t watch the whole thing you agree.

    Why bother rbinging this up? Seen any nuns having a go at the UK ambassador…I mean bowie was pontius pilate.

    .

    16 Sep 12 at 6:44 pm

  123. That the whole post is a load of crap, as I said JamesK. Brown-shirts? Ordered by the president? You should lay off the Dan Brown novels too.

    That is the point you fuckwit.

    The administration chased this man down, made his address and name public and in front of cameras brought him in for questioning with large numbers of police.

    If he was guilty of a parole violation it was minor and didn’t involve theft or extortion.

    Presumably he could have been deemed guilty and arrested without taking him in for questioning.

    They released him and I expect he’s in fear of his life.

    Who knows?

    Maybe he begged them to arrest him or take him into protective custody?

    The administration has just ensured more islamist violence will ensue.

    A right to free speech does not include this government thuggery and intimidation.

    This man will have to change his identity and will forever be in fear of assassination.

    I don’t care how insalubrious a character he is; no citizen deserves that and as I say it only guarantees more of the same from insane militant islamists.

    I repeat you are leftist thug fucktard if you support this.

    JamesK

    16 Sep 12 at 6:45 pm

  124. why do religions claim to have some special right to be sheltered from insults?

    Jim Rose

    16 Sep 12 at 6:47 pm

  125. why does Islam claim to have some special right to be sheltered from insults?

    FTFY.

    Gab

    16 Sep 12 at 6:50 pm

  126. The probation department in California’s central district is reviewing the case of Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, who was previously convicted on bank fraud charges and was banned from using computers or the Internet as part of his sentence. The review is aimed at learning whether Nakoula violated the terms of his five-year probation.

    SteveC, if you had bothered reading the thread comments, instead of spending so much time with Kimberly, your sex doll, you would realize the above has been discussed before. We also didn’t needlessly attack (trolling) the writer, you fucking idiot.

    Steve may also not have known about the new information before he wrote, as it’s a pretty live story.

    Now fuck off and take your spite elsewhere.

    JC

    16 Sep 12 at 7:04 pm

  127. why do religions claim to have some special right to be sheltered from insults?

    why does Islam claim to have some special right to be sheltered from insults?

    FTFY.

    This article pretty well sums it up IMO.

    The Western apologizers for the insanity we see in the Muslim world always have an explanation. It is their poverty. It is our wealth. It is a history of colonial oppression. It is our support for their dictators. It is the Crusades. It is Israeli intransigence, i.e, if only those Jews would just go away. It is our insensitivity to their culture when we go there. It is our insensitivity to their culture when they come here. It is, it is, it is . . . it is everything except what IT really IS, to wit, that world’s adherence to a primitive, totalitarian, brutal ideology that preaches hate, conquest, death, and rejection of rational thought. It holds dear a belief structure that glorifies violence, considers women and infidels trash, demands obedience, and provides death to apostates and to all those who fail to join the club. It is an ideology which practices what it preaches. Words count.

    Rudiau

    16 Sep 12 at 7:13 pm

  128. “So how many people were killed over the ‘blasphemous’ Life of Brian?”

    One of the best movies ever made.

    Jarrah

    16 Sep 12 at 7:20 pm

  129. Steve JC’s pissed off you won’t give his sex doll back.

    sdfc

    16 Sep 12 at 7:20 pm

  130. So yesterday, everyone here was right up Kerry Stokes for his comments on US troops in Oz. Does this intransigence change this? If not, why not? Cognitive dissonance, or can we make some kind of reasoned discrimination between the irredeemably leftist and worthless US of the State Department (Hillary, Obama, etc) versus the US of the Pentagon, which seems to retain remnants of righteousness?

    Big Jim

    16 Sep 12 at 7:23 pm

  131. Perhaops the jihadists could simply send Conroy the full lists of books, pictures, videos and newspaper articles they’d like banned.

    Onya conboy.

    Rudiau

    16 Sep 12 at 7:26 pm

  132. Conroy is a pissweak Limey arsehole. It’s a damn shame his family survived the nuclear attack he cried like a girl about.

    Infidel Tiger

    16 Sep 12 at 7:41 pm

  133. Terror raids were “racist” claim terrorist group.

    Infidel Tiger

    16 Sep 12 at 7:51 pm

  134. No, that’s not right, SDFC. I am in no need of a sex doll like SteveC’s “Kimberly”.

    JC

    16 Sep 12 at 7:52 pm

  135. We need a bigger public flogging arena IT

    Tal

    16 Sep 12 at 7:58 pm

  136. Terror raids were “racist” claim terrorist group.

    They really are a natural fit with the Left.

    Gab

    16 Sep 12 at 8:00 pm

  137. So we have a peaceful [sic] protest where people are arrested and police hurt and what are the papers full of? Conroy wants a video taken down from youtube and the usual cries of ‘racist’ from people of the same belief system as those peacefully [sic] protesting.

    Can anyone tell me why on earth those who would like to see a new khilafah wouldn’t be emboldened?

    FFS I wish we had some politicians or community leaders with some solid gonads. I’m tired of little sooky lalas quivering in their ivory towers telling me I’m a fricken racist and it’s all my fault that people believe something different and are pushing it with extreme prejudice in my country.

    nilk

    16 Sep 12 at 8:08 pm

  138. A hundred years ago, when what we now call ‘Islamic fundamentalism’ was embryonic, colonialists (ie, normal people) realized that religion was being revived as a revolutionary tool. Racial animus was always the real issue.

    Big Jim

    16 Sep 12 at 8:18 pm

  139. The System needs to realise:
    Do your jobs and defend the society, or we will do it ourselves.
    Is that what you want?

    Bob Sewell

    16 Sep 12 at 8:20 pm

  140. But nik Abbot punched a wall ,that is important damn it

    Tal

    16 Sep 12 at 8:21 pm

  141. The administration chased this man down, made his address and name public and in front of cameras brought him in for questioning with large numbers of police.

    The federal probation service isn’t part of the executive, it’s run by the federal court and part of the judiciary.

    AJ

    16 Sep 12 at 8:31 pm

  142. OMG, Tal, so he did!

    Someone should ship him off to Nauru and put him in detention.

    nilk

    16 Sep 12 at 8:33 pm

  143. The Beast (Islam) is stirring, with the false prophet Mohammad….

    Revelation 19:20 “And the beast was taken, and the false prophet that was with him, who wrought the signs before him by which he deceived them that received the mark of the beast, and those that worship his image. Alive were both cast into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.”

    Chris M

    16 Sep 12 at 8:41 pm

  144. The administration chased this man down, made his address and name public and in front of cameras brought him in for questioning with large numbers of police.

    The federal probation service isn’t part of the executive, it’s run by the federal court and part of the judiciary.”

    To assume a degree of what we call coordination between arms of government – (a phone call; a sychophantic desire to please) – here and there, would be the stuff of tinfoil conspiracy theory?

    Big Jim

    16 Sep 12 at 8:45 pm

  145. Chris M, fear not we have The Fisk Doctrine,have you heard of it?

    nik,Naru is to good for him

    Tal

    16 Sep 12 at 8:46 pm

  146. Robert Fisk the rambling fabricator?

    Chris M

    16 Sep 12 at 9:01 pm

  147. Chris, no! The Doctrine has nothing to do with Robert Fisk.In fact Robert maybe one of The Doctrines first victims

    Tal

    16 Sep 12 at 9:06 pm

  148. Well he is a victim of stupidity first.

    Such a fabulist though, the ABC just lap up his creative lefty yarns.

    Chris M

    16 Sep 12 at 9:17 pm

  149. Crap. If not Nauru then where?

    nilk

    16 Sep 12 at 9:20 pm

  150. Behavior that gets rewarded, gets repeated.

    Diplomatic immunity was first seriously compromised in 1979. Jimmy Carter was powerless to stop it and refused to recognize an act of war and the result is repeated attacks on embassies and ambassadors that are only increasing with frequency. If the West firstly made it clear that free speech will never be thrown under the bus and if anything extended, secondly stated that all embassy attacks will from now on be recognized as an act of war, and thirdly followed through on point 2 by firing on the mobs, these embassy attacks will stop right away.

    Fisky

    16 Sep 12 at 9:29 pm

  151. Better first re-establish the West. At the moment there is no there there.

    Big Jim

    16 Sep 12 at 9:33 pm

  152. The West has just hauled in the film-maker for questioning.

    Big Jim

    16 Sep 12 at 9:35 pm

  153. Steve may also not have known about the new information before he wrote, as it’s a pretty live story.

    As in shoot first, aim later? The info I posted apppeared online at daily mail at 8am, two hours before the OP.

    SteveC

    16 Sep 12 at 9:38 pm

  154. all embassy attacks will from now on be recognized as an act of war

    go to war over vital interests.

    Jim Rose

    16 Sep 12 at 10:06 pm

  155. [...] H/T Catallaxy Files [...]

  156. The barbarians are already inside the gates.

    Not only inside, but infiltrating, colonizing and growing fat off the generosity and stupidity of the host society.

    I am glad I am getting old and will not live to see the downfall of Western civilization at the hands of the social engineers and apologists.

    Pedro the Ignorant

    16 Sep 12 at 10:32 pm

  157. This is the friendly publicity stuff. Has anyone thought what might be happening under the provisions in the latest NDAA. You all realise that a person can just disappear right. I got serious criticism and was told to stop whinging it won’t happen to me. Now seems some of that crowd that told me to stop whinging are worried about something in the media spotlight which is about as interesting as someone got a parking ticket as far as being oppresive was he beaten to a pulp, kept awake for 48 hours with no food or water (except for water boarding which is not torture) in an interrogation room?, no I didn’t think so. Or is it just that this is largely a partisan crowd so only non-partisans can criticise bi-partisan policy. Wonder how the dungeons around the world are going? Wake up to yourselves people this is nothing.

    kelly liddle

    16 Sep 12 at 10:35 pm

  158. Pedro,that is how I feel but I’m also ashamed that “we”don’t do more to uphold our freedoms

    Tal

    16 Sep 12 at 11:05 pm

  159. I am glad I am getting old and will not live to see the downfall of Western civilization at the hands of the social engineers and apologists.

    Yep. Me too. I’ve often thought I’m glad I’ll be dead before all that and before Australia becomes another Islamic state.

    Gab

    16 Sep 12 at 11:11 pm

  160. I am glad I am getting old and will not live to see the downfall of Western civilization at the hands of the social engineers and apologists.

    Yep. Me too. I’ve often thought I’m glad I’ll be dead before all that and before Australia becomes another Islamic state.

    You’ve forgotten to think of the children. Won’t someone please think of the children.

    Megan

    16 Sep 12 at 11:28 pm

  161. Pedro,that is how I feel but I’m also ashamed that “we”don’t do more to uphold our freedoms

    -Tal

    I spent 20+ years in one uniform, 11 years in another coloured uniform, and mostly lived in places where the Australian flag was raised every morning and lowered every night with due ceremony and respect.

    Now, as I watch the TV news from Sydneystan, I sometimes wonder why I bothered.

    Pedro the Ignorant

    16 Sep 12 at 11:31 pm

  162. It raises another interesting paradox…will the bed-wetting planet warming catastrophists be proven right before the re-establishment of the Caliphate? Or will all those new mosques be drowned under rising sea levels?

    Stay tuned for a debate on this very question featuring The Bandana Man of Brainlessness and Flim Flam. Should be riveting. /sarc off.

    Megan

    16 Sep 12 at 11:33 pm

  163. Now, as I watch the TV news from Sydneystan, I sometimes wonder why I bothered

    I was wondering how it has come to this. I was incandescent at the utter nerve of these disgusting protesters to bring such hatred and violence to this country. They brought more shame on their religion of peace than any You Tube video.
    Three generations of my family, a total of 8 individuals, have served in war across all three branches of the Australian military and, like Pedro, it’s left me wondering why the hell they bother/ed. Especially when I think of what it cost them physically and mentally.

    Megan

    16 Sep 12 at 11:41 pm

  164. The Pentagon is blaming US troops for ‘friendly fire’ attacks, ordering sensitivity training about Islam (column) nyp.st/PHawID— New York Post (@NewYorkPost) September 16, 2012

    Speechless.

    sdog

    17 Sep 12 at 12:39 am

  165. What the hell do they hope to achieve, Spot? This is madness. Just give the musloids the US and be done with it.

    Gab

    17 Sep 12 at 12:43 am

  166. I’m sick about it, Gab. I don’t know. I just don’t know.

    sdog

    17 Sep 12 at 12:52 am

  167. dawg -

    Thats a fucking disgrace.

    Nanuestalker

    17 Sep 12 at 1:09 am

  168. David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog

    When you stop and think about it, that guy couldn’t have made his crappy anti-Islam video without government roads and bridges.

    Rudiau

    17 Sep 12 at 6:11 am

  169. Girl, 8, calls on Islamic youth to back jihad

    Eight-year-old Ruqaya speaks at the Khilafah Conference in Bankstown, Sydney. Picture: James Croucher Source: The Australian

    AS Julia Gillard struggled to explain how Muslim children could be used to incite violence, eight-year-old Ruqaya yesterday fronted a congress of Islamic fundamendalists in Sydney to espouse her love for jihad. Addressing a 600-strong crowd at the Australian chapter of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Bankstown in the city’s west, the young girl urged all Muslim youth to fight for the restoration of the Islamic caliphate, a single global government for all Muslims established under strict sharia law.

    “My dear brothers and sisters in Islam, as the world gathers against the believers in Syria … seeking to hijack our sincere and blessed uprisings, children in Sydney would like to send their message of hope and support to the Muslims of (Syria), especially to the children and mothers,” she read from notes. “These uprisings have demonstrated that this umma (global Muslim community) is alive and well, her love is for jihad, she is unshackled herself from the fear which she held, and she yearns to once again live under the banner of (the Islamic state).

    “Children as young as myself can be seen on the streets joining the uprisings, risking their lives to bring food, water and medicine to their wounded family members, some of them never returning to their mothers … Nobody is too young,” she said.
    The most influential people in Sport

    Ruqaya was the seventh of nine speakers at the “Muslims Rise” conference.

    Organisers of the event invited the media to report on her address.

    Julia Gillard yesterday expressed her horror at images showing Muslim children carrying inflammatory placards at a protest in Sydney on Saturday, including one that read “Behead all those who insult the Prophet”.

    Another sign at the protest read “Our dead are in paradise, your dead are in hell”.

    “I do not want to see in the hands of anyone, particularly children, offensive signs that call for the killing of others,” the Prime Minister said.

    “This is not the Australian way.

    “We believe in freedom of religion and we believe that every religion should be treated with respect.”

    Hizb ut-Tahrir is an international political movement devoted to restoring a caliphate, the last of which collapsed in the 1920s.

    The movement hopes Islamic fighters in Syria will replace the Assad regime with a caliph-led state that will eventually annex other Muslim countries and promote Islam in the West.

    The caliphate would also threaten Western nations with jihad if they did not prevent their citizens from defaming the Prophet Mohammed or Islam.

    It would be established under the same constitution imposed under Mohammed, which could not be reformed.

    Ruqaya said: “We must work hard to achieve victory. It is enough that your generation and your parents’ generation were raised in the absence of the khilafa (caliphate). Do not allow my generation to be added to that list.”

    Khaled Sukkarieh, the chairman of the Islamic Council of NSW, said images of children at the protest shocked many in his community. “Someone put that (banner) in the hand of a child.

    “That is a poor, innocent child. It is abhorrent and a very sad way of using children,” Mr Sukkarieh said.

    nilk

    17 Sep 12 at 6:57 am

  170. If they’re wheeling out kids, then they’re obviously confident of their position.

    nilk

    17 Sep 12 at 6:59 am

  171. Megan, when the majority of your religious text is instructions on dealing with the infidel it’s not very peaceful.

    It’s been building up for years, and when anyone speaks out against it they are shouted down as racists or charged with (what is technically) blasphemy. Google the Two Dannys, Catch the Fire case. They were originally found guilty of quoting the quran in a way that caused people to laugh.

    After hundreds of thousands of dollars and appealing against the conviction, it was pretty much dropped, but the chilling effect remained.

    This is lawfare, and it happens all the time.Ask Bolta, ask Mark Steyn.

    People are too scared to speak up because they’ll be called a racist, which is apparently worse than being called a nazi (I dunno, I’ve been called both in my time).

    nilk

    17 Sep 12 at 7:03 am

  172. Girl, 8, calls on Islamic youth to back jihad

    That’s fucked up.

    People are too scared to speak up because they’ll be called a racist

    Eight year old girls should be playing with dolls and stealing their mum’s lippy, not calling for a religious based war.

    Racist? The imbeciles have run out of insults and excuses.

    .

    17 Sep 12 at 7:36 am

  173. But, but….I thought anyone who questions immigration numbers in general or by failed 3rd world Muslims in particular is an anti free market, anti human ‘capital flowing where the market takes it’ troll.
    What a difference a day makes.

    Alfonso

    17 Sep 12 at 7:43 am

  174. Eight year old girls

    Old enough to marry according to Mohammad.

    Helen Armstrong

    17 Sep 12 at 7:45 am

  175. But, but….I thought anyone who questions immigration numbers in general or by failed 3rd world Muslims in particular is an anti free market, anti human ‘capital flowing where the market takes it’ troll.

    You are right.

    You have only ever supported any policy which is against economic growth on this blog.

    There are 500 criminals in Sydney who support the Capiphate and maybe a couple of hundred ringleaders who are manipulating children.

    You can take them on and let immigration blow out.

    Australia had virtually unrestricted immigration in the 19th century and by the end of it was the richest nation on earth – and was a model of tolerance and civility. With modern mannerisms it would have been a pretty enlightened place.

    History and the facts are on my side.

    .

    17 Sep 12 at 8:01 am

  176. Old enough to marry according to Mohammad.

    At least he’d wait a year before he deflowered them.

    I just heard Jon Faine on ABC774 criticising YouTube for not taking down the “offensive” video, alluding to the Bolt decision to justify the censorship and capitulation to militant Islamist intimidation. Breathtaking hypocrisy- I didn’t hear him arguing for the removal of Piss Christ from display. Another gutless appeaser.

    Cold-Hands

    17 Sep 12 at 8:25 am

  177. I just heard Jon Faine on ABC774 criticising YouTube for not taking down the “offensive” video…

    Grab that and put it aside. It will be valuable to use to be-clown Faine when the Labor shill bleats about free speech during the term of the coming Abbott government.

    Token

    17 Sep 12 at 8:38 am

  178. Australia had virtually unrestricted immigration in the 19th century and by the end of it was the richest nation on earth – and was a model of tolerance and civility. With modern mannerisms it would have been a pretty enlightened place.

    History and the facts are on my side.

    Sinc won me over with the statement by Milton Friedman – you can have open borders or a welfare state, not both.

    Sorry Dot, we have a welfare state so I can’t agree.

    Token

    17 Sep 12 at 8:39 am

  179. It’s good that you’re not a gutless coward, Bob, so we can judge you at your web site entitled http://vrwcptyltd/. Oh wait…

    Never had a website monty, merely because I wouldn’t have a clue as to run one. VRWC Pty Ltd is the address I’ve been using for years – even registered it as a company name for a venture which fell through. The blog site here recognises it as a web address though.
    You’ll also note that now I blog under my own name, no longer using Winston Smith. I can be tracked down at McKinlay Bush Nursing Clinic, if you really want to talk to me.
    We also have the Catallaxy Social Club here – meets most nights for drinks around the fire in an old 44. Members are me, Fatso the Cat, and Buddy, Devourer of Chickens. They don’t drink beer but.

    Bob Sewell

    17 Sep 12 at 9:19 am

  180. Sinc won me over with the statement by Milton Friedman – you can have open borders or a welfare state, not both.

    Sorry Dot, we have a welfare state so I can’t agree.

    To quote Peter Patton – HELLO! What do you think I’ve been saying about the change in boat people from 1982 to 1994?

    It’s simple really. Make PR easy to get. Make citizenship a long process. Cut off welfare to non citizens.

    I really don’t know why this is offensive or too hard. We need higher immigration and better quality immigrants. It would save money as well.

    .

    17 Sep 12 at 9:33 am

  181. “Members are me, Fatso the Cat, and Buddy, Devourer of Chickens. They don’t drink beer but.”

    Probably a good thing, Bob, leaves a bit more for yourself. Winston was a cute name, but Bob is nice too.

    candy

    17 Sep 12 at 9:53 am

  182. It’s simple really. Make PR easy to get. Make citizenship a long process. Cut off welfare to non citizens.

    I agree, but I also see the way the Stenographers have distorted extremely generous redundancy payments to unsustainable numbers of public servants in a state that has maxed out its credit card.

    I’ve seen the same Stenographers refuse to report on documented fraud committed from a SLUSH fund set up by the PM, while they peddle defamatory rumours about the opposition leader.

    Good luck getting a politician to have the ticker to close the borders ans stop the middle class from muslim East Asia from getting into the country and at our welfare system.

    Token

    17 Sep 12 at 10:15 am

  183. …from muslim East Asia & the tamil areas of Sri Lanka

    Token

    17 Sep 12 at 10:16 am

  184. A bloggers account of the Khilafah Conference yesterday.

    Geez, Michael. I went over to my Mums today. When I got there, she was on the Internet listening to the “live” feed on her pc. Thank you for making us aware of the conference. We sat and watched, listened, to the call to arms by what I think is a terrorist organisation, a cult. The second last speaker called on all Muslim Australians to “throw the Australian Constitution in the bin”. He said from now on they (Muslim’s) should only recognise Sharia Law. Later, a fellow of African descent pleaded as to what they needed to do from today; in Arabic. What on earth did he say? I am worried these extremists are about to embark on acts of terror in this Nation as we have never seen before. I can’t believe Gillard is not on the News condemning this violence in Sydney and stating we will not tolerate this behavior in any form. It is time for all us Aussies to stand up and show these “nut-jobs” we are not going to accept their religious law in our country and we hold our Constitution dear to our hearts. We value freedom and will not let it go by a simple minority we were kind enough, silly enough, to allow on our shores. I talked to my 22 year old daughter today, who has not seen the News. She responded saying proudly, I don’t watch the News. I can not believe how dismissive the younger generation are, even though I have tried to instill the values of being informed as part of my parenting. I feel like the education system has been working against me all these years and part of the problem. The awakening of the younger generation is paramount to the realities of what we face today. Seriously, how could anyone not know what happened in Sydney yesterday? Obviously, I explained the seriousness of the situation to my daughter and hope she and her partner are now interested in what is going on. I am comfortable my two kids are now aware. I just wonder how many other people in Australia are unaware and complacent? Political Correctness has made us weak. I can only hope the majority of Australians are aware and ready to fight in every way they can. Talk to your families and friends, is my advice. Make sure they know what is happening and are ready to take on the hard questions. If they are not, our way of life will be threatened. That is not something I am prepared to let happen.

    Bolding mine.
    Tried to find a live feed in English but could not, also tried to find a media summary of conference, the above is about all I could find.

    Rudiau

    17 Sep 12 at 11:35 am

  185. “You’ll also note that now I blog under my own name, no longer using Winston Smith.”

    Something to be applauded. Have you noticed any difference in how you comment since the name change?

    Jarrah

    17 Sep 12 at 11:36 am

  186. Perhaps its time we extended refuge to some real victims of violence.

    NoFixedAddress

    17 Sep 12 at 11:41 am

  187. You’ll also note that now I blog under my own name, no longer using Winston Smith. I can be tracked down at McKinlay Bush Nursing Clinic, if you really want to talk to me.

    And do we have a photo of you online, so that we may judge your physical appearance as you do mine?

    m0nty

    17 Sep 12 at 1:23 pm

  188. m0oby -
    We don’t judge your appearance, we laugh at it. Grow a pair FFS.

    Nanuestalker

    17 Sep 12 at 2:21 pm

  189. To quote Colbert:

    So sit back, relax, and then panic.

    Sean

    17 Sep 12 at 2:45 pm

  190. “throw the Australian Constitution in the bin”. He said from now on they (Muslim’s) should only recognise Sharia Law.

    Good luck with that…

    More chance of m0nty

    Sean

    17 Sep 12 at 3:11 pm

  191. You telling someone else to grow a pair is hilarious.

    sdfc

    17 Sep 12 at 3:15 pm

  192. Since web etiquette has come up, I am nicer online than in person.

    wreckage

    20 Sep 12 at 1:20 am

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