Wednesday Forum: September 19, 2012 at Catallaxy Files

Wednesday Forum: September 19, 2012

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September 19th, 2012 at 5:08 am

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First?

Dan

19 Sep 12 at 5:18 am
Snecond.

sdog

19 Sep 12 at 5:28 am
That’s Snic’s fault.

sdog

19 Sep 12 at 5:29 am
Bless your heart, febro. You’re adorable.

sdog

19 Sep 12 at 5:30 am
#Protip: If the first hand starts getting tired, switch over to t’other one.
You’re welcome!

sdog

19 Sep 12 at 5:39 am
Avengers assemble. Take a look at this pack of Charlie uncle November tangos:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-18/supporters-in-court-after-sydney-protest/4268200

I would suggest that the despised bikie association laws might come in handy for putting these mouth breathing cretins in different naughty corners. What fucking thuggish Neanderthals.

Abu Chowdah

19 Sep 12 at 5:46 am
Romney is standing by his blunt private remarks to supporters on welfare dependency and the intractibility of the Middle East/Israel problem, but voters are being howled at that it was a Romney “gaffe”.
(Tom from the old open forum)

@ChampionCapua‘s tribute to the deranged press pool: “Governor Romney! Governor Romney! Governor Romney! Governor Romney! What about the Palestinians? WHAT ABOUT YOUR GAFFES??!!”

Rinse and repeat.

sdog

19 Sep 12 at 6:05 am
via Tim:

Aditya Chakrabortty salutes the Occupy movement, now one year old:

As the activist Rebecca Solnit once said: “Despair is a black leather jacket that everyone looks good in. Hope is a frilly, pink dress that exposes the knees.”

Happy first birthday, Occupy. Keep showing your knees.

Quite so.

sdog

19 Sep 12 at 6:13 am
Avengers assemble. Take a look at this pack of Charlie uncle November tangos:

The dude having to lift his skirt up to get down the stairs ruins the whole effect.

Interesting to see the TV journo Mark Burrows on the right of the shot looking worried.

Keith

19 Sep 12 at 6:51 am
The coalition has played this issue for pointscoring from start to finish. If they really wanted to stop the boats they would have agreed to the Malaysia solution. No side can claim the high moral ground. Both sides sat by and did nothing for months.

Monty if the ALP hadn’t dismantled Howard’s Pacific Solution then the boats would not have started again and Malaysia wouldn’t have been considered.

Oh, and hundreds of people would still be alive.

Remember them?

nilk

19 Sep 12 at 6:53 am
Ultimate Obama photobomb.
Dude takes a leak while Bambi speechifies.

Keith

19 Sep 12 at 6:54 am
Janet Albrechtsen explains today in The Australian – with help from Friedman – why government spending tends to keep increasing unless rigorously controlled. To those who think the media has no impact, I recall when Friedmanism was thrown around by the media as an intended insult or put down alongside Thatcherism. Some may also remember the ridicule of another economist via the term “laughter curve”.
Paul Kelly (who asks his own questions) has a go on the integration of Islam into our secular democracy. At first I thought he was going a bit soft by saying how pleased he was that the pollies didn’t yield to popularism – a difficult charge to bring off when you’re part of a group so obsessed with polls, and who use them to justify whatever cause they can make fit – but then he hardened up and even mentioned visa cancellation and deportation. I’ll believe that when I see it.
He quite rightly admits that people having doubts about the future or islam in our country, and the future of immigration of this group, are justified. But he persists with the hope that integration remains possible. Given the nature of their teachings, this is a big ask. Exclusivity is central. But some rewriting of history and of lessons for the littlies could be possible.
Just yesterday the ABC ran a statement from a woman moslem who said that the prophet was not a violent man and was kind and considerate in all things. Some may feel this is more descriptive of Jesus. But if that sort of rewriting is possible, they may have a reformation? Vain hope, you might say.

Blogstrop

19 Sep 12 at 6:58 am
Cue hurt feelings.

For some reason I’m thinking of Kamahl… “Why are people so unkind?”

nilk

19 Sep 12 at 7:13 am
The heading the ABC (online) decided to give this:

‘Romney rules out peace between Israel, Palestinians’

I

Ellen of Tasmania

19 Sep 12 at 7:26 am
Febrile hints at Truth. The US can be faced with States craving secession as the only solution. Some of which may group together.
Presumably the CAGW hysterics will be happy if they are coastal States thereby allowing the hysterics to avoid the coming sea level catastrophe. Win, win.

Alfonso

19 Sep 12 at 7:37 am
Michael Smith.
Question Time could be interesting.

Rudiau

19 Sep 12 at 7:45 am
So, when a Muslim woman is killed collecting firewood in Afghanistan, these youth are angered at the fact that their sister was murdered. When a Muslim man is crushed to death in Palestine, they lament the loss of their brother. It may not make sense to a Western audience, but that doesn’t matter.

So do they lament or feel anger towards a fanaticical brother who blows himself and innocent sisters up in the name of their religion?

Splatacrobat

19 Sep 12 at 7:52 am
Do they need reminding that they’re on camera?

stu

19 Sep 12 at 7:57 am
Climate realist allowed on PBS news. Storm of protest follows.

Poor Old Rafe

19 Sep 12 at 7:59 am
News flash

Renewable energy Target not calculated with respect to Carbon emissions says Combet spokesman in OZ, instead

Emissions reduction estimates were derived by either “modelling, by external consultants or in-house calculations by the Department, or a combination of these approaches”.

This in response to reasonable letter from Energy Minister McArdle in Qld asking for productivity Commission to investigate cost vs benefit of RET, given there has been NO reduction in coal fired power use in association with renewable energy uptake.

Helen Armstrong

19 Sep 12 at 8:01 am
Fantastic, the trolls are working in shifts. febro drew the short staw and got the graveyard shift.

Poor Old Rafe

19 Sep 12 at 8:01 am
Maurice Blackburn and Peter Slipper have parted ways. I wonder who will be defending Da Speaker in future? And what caused the split?

Cold-Hands

19 Sep 12 at 8:15 am
Febro describes my dream future. If only. Thanks Febro fir keeping my dreams in the possible.

WhaleHunt Fun

19 Sep 12 at 8:27 am
Here’s the link. Slipper parts ways with Lawyers

Cold-Hands

19 Sep 12 at 8:31 am
Bob Carr’s influence on national politics is noticeable. The Yabbi promised to spend more money today she doesn’t have.

From the track reoord of the morons in NSW who fell for this crap, it is likely these statements are helping with the polls, it worked for the government that brought NSW to its knees.

It seems there are few people with some sense left in Labor though:

Although the Prime Minister will not commit to the full demands of the unions, anger is rising within the parliamentary Labor Party over big-spending promises being made while departments and government services face savage cuts from Wayne Swan’s razor gang.

At least five Labor backbenchers yesterday tackled the Treasurer about the government’s spending priorities and its ability to pay for big-ticket promises while protecting a budget surplus of $1.5bn in 2012-13.

Labor MPs told The Australian last night they believed Ms Gillard’s undertakings to union leaders running campaigns for government wage top-ups was all about “shoring up union support for her leadership”.

Senior Labor MPs are furious that Ms Gillard is making unfunded spending promises at the same time as welfare recipients face cuts and ministers are being told to cut deeper into their departments and programs.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 8:32 am
Woops! Put this on the old thread:

The AFR, of all places, has gone full retard on its front page this morning on the strength of blatantly wishful speculation by its own correspondent, of which there has not been a word in the US media: Romney: could this be the end?

Mark down this clown, Ben Potter, for some serious blogospheric retribution in November.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 8:34 am
The ‘light on the hill’ is about to turn into a windfarm:

Labor’s plan for 90pc clean energy

ACT Labor has unveiled an ambitious plan to source 90 per cent of the Territory’s power from renewable sources by 2020.

In 8 years the ALP in the ACT wants to convert an entire city of 350,000 people to wind, solar and ~~bullshit~~ sorry, biomass power. This will be entertaining to watch.

Bruce of Newcastle

19 Sep 12 at 8:35 am
Good on Cut & Paste for making sure this exchange which reflects the serious and genuine concerns of much of the community does not get flushed down the memory hole in the Left’s campaign of Mo-Washing the past.

CHANNEL 7′s Today Tonight’s Muslim forum, Monday:

MUSLIM Rebecca Kay: But it’s very easy for people to say like, (Daily Telegraph columnist) Joe (Hildebrand), no offence, Joe, to say that. You have restrictions against your religion. You can’t say anything bad about Jewish people. We don’t have them kind of protections.

Hildebrand: I’m not Jewish.

Kay: Oh, aren’t you? Are you sure?

No point making assumptions. Later in the same program:

HOST: Can you see any justification in a child holding a sign (that says “Behead those who insult our Prophet?”)

Kay: To tell the truth, I personally believe that that sign was left on the floor for that child to pick it up. We don’t even know who that mother is. We don’t even know if she speaks English, or not, or could even read that sign.

Shameless.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 8:36 am
The lead “story” at the Sydney Morning Herald website this morning (now #2) was written by a muslim university student:

Why were some protesters chanting ”Our dead are in paradise, your dead are in hell”? When prominent Muslim leaders cannot even begin to fathom how some Muslim youth have mentioned corpses when apparently protesting about a movie, we need to question whether the real problem is that such leaders are incredibly out of touch with the reality of Muslim youth in this country …

To begin with, many Muslims in Australia do not simply give up their identity as belonging to a global community merely because they happen to live in Australia. Many have not bought the liberal idea of individualism, and so see events happening on the other side of the planet as personally related to them. So, when a Muslim woman is killed collecting firewood in Afghanistan, these youth are angered at the fact that their sister was murdered. When a Muslim man is crushed to death in Palestine, they lament the loss of their brother. It may not make sense to a Western audience, but that doesn’t matter.

Oh good, no need for immigrants to integrate. It’s our fault.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 8:38 am
DD had it right last night, the Courier Mail is truly the heir to FauxFacts. Cut & Paste again:

Dennis Atkins in The Courier-Mail, August 22:

SLATER & Gordon acted for Wilson and the AWU with rising star Julia Gillard handling the account . . . It is hard to see what remains to be answered.

Atkins, The Courier-Mail, August 24:

IT was a symphonic performance by the real Julia . . . Claims she had acted unethically were answered.

Atkins on Saturday:

THIS issue and how Abbott handled it has opened up a wider front in the political battle (and) the question of (his) relationship with the truth . . . the Catholic Abbott is a big believer in absolution. Perhaps this extends to those small or not so small untruths he lets slip now and then. A little lie today can be dispensed with through confession.

If it is appropriate to tag Abbott as Catholic, it is appropriate to call the PM, the Homewrecker Gillard.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 8:39 am
The ACT gets a lot of its power from the Snowy, a clean scheme that the Green/Left would not allow to proceed today.

blogstrop

19 Sep 12 at 8:39 am
Oh good, no need for immigrants to integrate. It’s our fault.

Notice how when the “moderate” Muslims are asked to denounce without qualification violence they refuse to do it – and the useless media do not press them to.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 8:41 am
Maurice Blackburn and Peter Slipper have parted ways. I wonder who will be defending Da Speaker in future? And what caused the split?

The most important outcome might well be that this will cause further delay in the court case, especially if an early election were to be called.

Keith

19 Sep 12 at 8:43 am
Maurice Blackburn and Peter Slipper have parted ways.

Wait a minute, didn’t the lefty howler monkeys that plague this site go crazy a few weeks ago about Ashby’s lawyers?

Nice to know Nanny Roxon/Bill Shorten’s Alma Mata was defending the man who pays for special favours with Taxi Vouchers.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 8:45 am
Graveyard shift

In conference lingo, this is the shift after lunch where nearly everyone struggles to stay awake. Speakers hate getting it.

Helen Armstrong

19 Sep 12 at 8:45 am
What she really wanted to say :

Kay: To tell the truth, I personally believe that that sign was left by Jews on the floor for that child to pick it up. We don’t even know who that mother is. We don’t even know if she speaks English, or not, or could even read that sign.

Keith

19 Sep 12 at 8:48 am
Further to the discussion on power bills yesterday – another reason why they are so exorbitant.

Yabbott must scrap this inexcusable rip-off and market distorter. No ifs, no buts.

Rabz

19 Sep 12 at 8:51 am
The imbecilic reaction to the glowbull warmening stupidity continues.

Stanwell Corporation, [Queensland’s] biggest power utility, has said the boom in rooftop solar installations has not resulted in any carbon emissions savings…

This was because generation of solar electricity did not automatically reduce carbon emissions at base load power stations.

Coal-fired power stations are designed to run most efficiently at full capacity, a Stanwell spokesman said. “Reducing the amount of coal burnt made them more inefficient and increased the carbon intensity of the electricity produced,” the spokesman said.

This cancelled out any benefit of Queensland’s 400 megawatts of rooftop solar, which did not produce electricity at times of peak demand.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 8:53 am
In 8 years the ALP in the ACT wants to convert an entire city of 350,000 people to wind, solar and bullshit sorry, biomass power. This will be entertaining to watch.

Fine, Fine. Just ban them from taking energy from the grid and watch them reconsider.

Cold-Hands

19 Sep 12 at 8:56 am
ACT Laybore has unveiled an ambitious plan to source 90 per cent of the Territory’s power from renewable sources by 2020.

In 8 years the OLP in the ACT wants to convert an entire city of 350,000 people to wind, solar and bullshit power. This will be entertaining to watch.

No it won’t – and hopefully it won’t happen.

These morons are in for a nasty surprise in October. Even your average lobotomised Zombie Parrotville resident is getting sick of being fed this bullshit.

Rabz

19 Sep 12 at 8:58 am
Bob Carr’s influence on national politics is noticeable. The Yabbi promised to spend more money today she doesn’t have.

Other tactics borrowed from Carr- scrap an existing scheme (in this case, the Chronic Disease Dental Scheme) and use the money to fund a new shiny scheme. I gather that he did this each election- a program previously announced but only partly or never implemented would be replaced by a ‘new’ scheme that could be announced again to great fanfare. The supine media never held this sleight of hand to any serious scrutiny.

Cold-Hands

19 Sep 12 at 9:02 am
which did not produce electricity at times of peak demand.

No renewable can.

FFS, why is it so difficult for these fucking morons to comprehend this immutable fact?

In fact given what an utter load of fucking bullshit it is, why are we even still putting up with this preposterous, anti-scientific, fact and evidence free hysterical fucking idiocy?

FFS, I have gone to sleep and woken up in the fucking seventh centruy, or something?

Rabz

19 Sep 12 at 9:03 am
Apologies all – in a very bad mood…

Rabz

19 Sep 12 at 9:05 am
No worries, Rabz, SFB will be along soon with a dumb comment that will have us all howling with laughter.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 9:09 am
Reminder to the transients who may have lobbed in Canberra in the past three years: voting rolls for the ACT election close this Friday.

By the way, Rabz, do you understanding the ACT’s STV voting system? The fact that it is also in operation in Tasmania is a worry.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 9:12 am
Rabz, a big smile to cheer you up.

Rudiau

19 Sep 12 at 9:16 am
In 8 years the ALP in the ACT wants to convert an entire city of 350,000 people to wind, solar and bullshit sorry, biomass power. This will be entertaining to watch.

Did they really make this statement?

Did they really imply that the ACT could be powered by wind, solar and the crap Canberra produces in abundance?

Gold

Token

19 Sep 12 at 9:17 am
Where’s the money coming from?

LABOR is leaving open the option of giving $1.4 billion-a-year in taxpayer funds to private childcare workers as anger rises in government ranks about spending priorities, unfunded promises and deeper budget cuts.

Julia Gillard is today expected to lend support to unions seeking the wages top-up by offering a form of government assistance to the campaign to raise salaries for low-paid childcare workers. The level of financial support is unclear but the encouragement to United Voice, the union covering childcare workers, is the third significant demand being made on taxpayer funds to lift wages following a $1.2bn deal with United Voice and aged care workers and a $2bn-a-year government commitment to low-paid workers after the gender parity wages case earlier this year.

Labor MPs told The Australian last night they believed Ms Gillard’s undertakings to union leaders running campaigns for government wage top-ups was all about “shoring up union support for her leadership”.

Senior Labor MPs are furious that Ms Gillard is making unfunded spending promises at the same time as welfare recipients face cuts and ministers are being told to cut deeper into their departments and programs.

The government has been forced into preparing a fresh round of budget savings because of a projected slump in company tax receipts and a series of as-yet unfunded spending commitments. They include the $10.5bn National Disability Insurance Scheme, the $6.5bn-a-year Gonski school reforms and a $4bn dental care package.

In parliament, Mr Swan refused to rule out handing over billions of dollars in taxpayer-funded wage top-ups to childcare workers.

On one hand, they’re implementing austerity-lite measures to save the imaginary budget surplus, on the other hand they’re throwing money around like there’s no tomorrow. This is a government in trouble.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 9:21 am
There are strong arguments for getting rid of the ACT and Tasmania. Their voting system isn’t one of them.

H B Bear

19 Sep 12 at 9:21 am
Rudi, what the fuck are you doing posting secret photos of Jason Steger?

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 9:22 am
Rudiau that’s just mean

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 9:22 am
Chris Bowen says YES to preachers of Islamist hate and NO to people who say we should not put up with the un-repentent hate mongers.

One of the few true journalists at FauxFacts – Paul Sheehan – writes today:

My hands are tied. This, in essence, is the response that Chris Bowen, the Minister for Immigration, has given to questions in Parliament this week about why he granted a visa to an Islamic fundamentalist, Taji Mustafa, who spoke over the weekend at a conference organised by Hizb ut-Tahrir, a group notorious for religious intolerance, disdain for Western values and sympathy for jihad.

…What nobody knew was that at the same time, the minister had been sitting on a visa application by a member of the Dutch parliament who is an outspoken opponent of Islamic fundamentalism in the Netherlands and Belgium.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 9:23 am
On one hand, they’re implementing austerity-lite measures to save the imaginary budget surplus, on the other hand they’re throwing money around like there’s no tomorrow. This is a government in trouble

The Gaffe-Machine has painted herself into a corner here, the question is how the Stenographers & the peddlers of hate & envy will get her out again.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 9:24 am
ACT Labor has unveiled an ambitious plan to source 90 per cent of the Territory’s power from renewable sources by 2020.

The next Liberal Government needs to privatise like mad to abort this operation.

By the way, Rabz, do you understanding the ACT’s STV voting system? The fact that it is also in operation in Tasmania is a worry.

What’s so difficult? If they elected a Governor/Chief Minister separately by preferential voting, the PR system would be representative and set up an obstructive Parliament (good). Around Federation, Tasmania had some good politicians, like Andrew Inglis Clark. A politician that believed citizens actually had rights etc. I think he was largely behind the STV system.

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19 Sep 12 at 9:25 am
Bowen just doesn’t want any riots. He’s being held hostage by the vile Islamists in this country. Like Obama, he bows to their threats.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 9:25 am
Labor’s line of ‘fiscal responsibility’ is really nothing more than the government version of ‘of course I’ll still love you in the morning’

brc

19 Sep 12 at 9:30 am
Bowen just doesn’t want any riots. He’s being held hostage by the vile Islamists in this country. Like Obama, he bows to their threats.

Q: what’s the missing ingredient?
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A: Leadership.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 9:30 am
FFS, why is it so difficult for these fucking morons to comprehend this immutable fact?

Rabz, they can’t admit it. The fact is most of the AGW-cultists are un-employable lefties.

Let’s face it, we are dealing with relgious zealots who thrive off a guilt tithe from the masses.

If facts actually got out they’d have to get a real job, and there is no way the Marxist, Trots and other leaches on society will demean themselves and do that.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 9:33 am
Why do Muslims migrate in their millions from places where Islam is sovereign to places where it is not?

ella

19 Sep 12 at 9:33 am
“A TOURIST workforce from Asia, willing to fill 36,000 job vacancies that Australians don’t want to do, is being blocked by a “Hansonite view of the world”, a tourism chief said yesterday.”

Hey those 14,000 odd soon to be retired Qld public servants could fill the positions.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 9:34 am
Bolt

Melbourne University law students may wish to keep any criticism of Julia Gillard to themselves in the presence of these academics, who seem unusually protective of the Labor leader and suspiciously prone to collective action:

And this

College Prof on Leave After Forcing Students to Sign ‘Pledge’ to Vote for Obama

Any doubts as to the bias of our Uni’s worldwide?

Rudiau

19 Sep 12 at 9:41 am
By the way, Rabz, do you understanding the ACT’s STV voting system?

No – I’m going to have to do a crash course in it. Got a letter from the EC referring to it as “The Hare-Clark System” which has been a disaster in taxmania (and here for that matter).

Oh and thanks Rudi – the horror…

Rabz

19 Sep 12 at 9:46 am
DRUDGE: Obama arranged for his handsome, athletic, single young “body man” to be paid off on exit from White House.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 9:48 am
Lefty LA Times argues free speech in the West must be subject to Sharia.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 9:52 am
New ad. Small business owners: Obama treats us like we’re the enemy.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 9:52 am
State Dept: Morsi ordered Egyptian embassy in DC to take legal action against US citizens

“A potential diplomatic storm may be brewing prior to the arrival next week of Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi in New York City and the White House.

According to an unclassified daily brief circulated by the State Department Executive Secretariat this afternoon, Morsi ordered the Egyptian embassy in DC to take legal action against the U.S. citizens who are alleged to be behind the “Innocence of Muslims” video that has flamed tensions in the Middle East.”

Obama is sure to comply.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 9:56 am
ABC becoming drunk on the phony gaffe Kool Aid:

Mitt Romney is in damage control after a new video surfaced showing the Republican presidential nominee ruling out peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

What Romney actually said: the Palestinians “have no interest whatsoever” in peace with Israel.

BREAKING: Abbas Proposes Canceling Oslo Accords.

Palestinian Authority head, Mahmoud Abbas, proposed cancelling the Oslo Accords with Israel at a weekend meeting of the PA leadership, a senior member of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) told AFP on Tuesday.

PLO Executive Committee member Wassel Abu Yusef said Abbas raised the idea of “cancelling the Oslo agreement as well as the associated economic and security arrangements,” at the meeting on Saturday and Sunday.

Romney wins again.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 9:56 am
ABC-quoted response:

This morning chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat said the remarks were “unacceptable”.

Who is Saeb Erakat?

Erekat is one of the more prominent Palestinian spokespeople in the Western media. During the Second Intifada he loudly criticized Israeli actions and together with other sources characterized the IDF’s 2002 assault in the Palestinian town of Jenin as a “massacre” and a “war crime”, alleging that Israel has killed more than 500 Palestinians in the Jenin camp. After the incident was over and the Palestinian death toll was recorded at between 53 and 56 casualties, Erekat faced widespread criticism.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 9:59 am
Romney wins again.

Romney really is sounding like he’ll be very effective in foreign policy.

All the people who have “owned” the Sun King are coming out to trash him – Russia, Iran and now the PLO.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 10:02 am
Romney Honey Badger Sununu vs Obumma’s MSNBC lieutenant :

“My take is that you’re missing the big story which is this is in response to a president, the first president in my lifetime, whose decided to run a campaign on class warfare, it’s Obama who has opened up the class warfare issue he attacks success, he says we need to get a hold of more money out of the rich and he condemns those who succeeded with “you didn’t build it.” And Mitt Romney quantifies this, the constituency that Obama has been pandering to both in policy and language as 47/47 and all of a sudden you guys make that the story. The story is we have a president, who in his primary against Hilary Clinton made race a divider, and she said ‘shame on you Obama’ and his race against Mitt Romney, is trying to make class warfare a divider. And you ought to be saying, ‘shame on you Obama.’

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 10:04 am
Incredible.

First ever colour film discovered in Britain.

1902.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19557914

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 10:04 am
DOJ refuses to rule out introducing anti-blasphemy laws.
Of course blasphemy only applies if it’s to do with Islam.

First Amendment? What First Amendment?

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 10:04 am
Labor and its media sycophants have gone full retard over Cory Bernadi’s opposition to gay marriage and support for anti-islamist MP Geert Wilders, ignoring the red carpet Labor has rolled out for violent jihadis entering Australia.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 10:13 am
febro:

“But if Romney’s in charge, the attitudes of the antebellum South, rigid, aristocratic social structure, a serf class (undocumented aliens paid pennies and threatened with deportation unless they keep quiet and keep working), unassailable, God-appointed white Anglo Christian male dominance, infatuation with personal honor to the point of violence could well be the future for Americans.”

I realise you are just funnin’, as I believe they say in the South, but Romney is a Mormon with antecedents in the American Midwest. He has no cultural connection with the South.

Julian O'Dea

19 Sep 12 at 10:16 am
Rush Limbaugh: A Golden Opportunity for Mitt Romney

I tell you, I really hope that Mother Jones pulls down that Romney video pretty fast. Well, what he said about the Palestinians not wanting peace, that’s got the media as riled up as anything. The Palestinians are sacred to some people in our news media and the rest of the Democrat Party. Almost as sacred as Mohammed is the to the Islamists. And if they don’t pull that video down, our media might start rioting over what Romney said.

Okay, let’s just dive in here. Romney’s at a fundraiser, he’s in Boca Raton. I think I’ve mentioned this to you, folks, a couple of times. I have attended such fundraisers. I was not at this one, but I have been at candidate fundraisers, and I’ve had meetings with presidential candidates. And, without exception, this is common. Republican presidential candidates go full metal conservatism when they’re talking to donors. When I saw the Romney video, the first thing I thought, “All right, we have a golden opportunity.”

I don’t care how this is being cast by the media. That’s predictable. What are we doing here? What is really happening? This election is about what? It’s about stopping Barack Obama. That’s what this election’s about. And we are hoping that a majority of people agree with us, that Barack Obama needs to be stopped. So here’s Romney at the Boca Raton fundraiser, and he happens to be telling these people a certain level of truth, a certain level of accuracy. I think there’s a bunch of people in that 47% that don’t want to be there. I think there’s a lot of that 47%, they’re there because of Obama. This is such a golden opportunity. ….

We don’t want this country to be finished, as founded. We don’t want this country to be over. We don’t want 47% of the country thinking that there’s no hope for them. We don’t want 47% of the country giving up. And, like I say, I don’t think all 47% are made up of people who are dependent, but I know what Romney was trying to say to these people. He was basically telling these people that we have reached a crossroads in this country. You and I talk about it all the time.

We ask ourselves, “Okay, have we reached the tipping point?” Just like de Tocqueville said, have we reached the point where more people are comfortable being cared for and taken care of than they are providing for themselves? And we’ve all feared that this election or thought this election was going to give us the answer to that question. That’s been the fear that we’ve all had. Where are we? The questions being asked on the conservative blogs when somebody says, “How come Romney’s not 15 points ahead?” that’s what they mean. What they really mean is, have we lost the country? Have we lost the culture? Have we lost the American work ethic? Have we lost American optimism?

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 10:18 am
You know what would have been a much better investment than Facebook shares?: Mac n’ Cheese.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 10:21 am
Australian Greens senator Richard Di Natale condemned Senator Bernardi’s associations with the Dutch hardliner.

“Multiculturalism is one of this country’s great successes and it must be defended,” he said.

Yes, we noticed the great success on the weekend..

Multicuturalism has been a success among immigrant communities that want to assimilate.

Lazlo

19 Sep 12 at 10:24 am
test

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 10:27 am
Rick Santelli On Romney Tape: “We Have A Dependency Society,” The “Media Overblows Everything”

I’m not going to agree or disagree with Trump, I’ll tell you what my opinion is. My opinion is he stated basic facts, not in an elegant fashion. And sometimes the facts aren’t easy to swallow. The issue here isn’t about that sound bite. The issue here is about the media. We are $16 trillion in debt. We have a jobs program, or many jobs programs that haven’t worked. We have a Federal Reserve who is ultimately going to print whatever size of their balance sheet we get. We have had an attack on the 11th anniversary of 9/11. Is this what’s in the news? No, we’re debating about facts that may politically harm Romney. I don’t see that what he said is incorrect. …

We have a dependency society. We do. It’s a fact. I’m not saying there aren’t subsets of people, whether they’re retired or can’t work or whether they’re too old to work, but when I look at the labor force participation rate, and I see that out of the eligible pool of workers, we’re bringing forth the fewest to actually have a job, there is a problem here. Maybe the media ought to quit hiding under tables and look at some of the bigger damn issues.

LOL

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 10:29 am
Would we better if if we publicly executed all the lawyers or journalists? I’m not saying we can’t do both, just shooting the breeze.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 10:31 am
Please stop feeding Cut’N Paste fembro

Nanuestalker

19 Sep 12 at 10:32 am
“Multiculturalism is one of this country’s great successes and it must be defended,” he said.

State multiculturalism has failed, says David Cameron

France’s Sarkozy: Multiculturalism Has Failed

So what’s to stop it working here?
Oh wait….it doesn’t.
In ten years we will hear the same from one of our gutsy leaders.

Rudiau

19 Sep 12 at 10:33 am
Would we better if if we publicly executed all the lawyers or journalists?

Unfortunately lawyers are still necessary.

They just need regular aggressive tort reform to keep ‘em in check.

But there is no need or demand for MSM journalists any more.

Thank you God.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 10:35 am
“So, when a Muslim woman is killed collecting firewood in Afghanistan, these youth are angered at the fact that their sister was murdered. When a Muslim man is crushed to death in Palestine, they lament the loss of their brother. It may not make sense to a Western audience, but that doesn’t matter.”

When a Catholic or other Christian is intimidated or murdered in the Middle East or Africa by a Muslim, it upsets me. Maybe the writer needs to think about that too.

Julian O'Dea

19 Sep 12 at 10:37 am
Lefty with a falafel in his hand (probably not so popular in Sydney just at the moment) has a few problems with democracy in Queensland.

H B Bear

19 Sep 12 at 10:41 am
So fibber’s intellectual base is Kunstler ?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That’s so funny.

Hey fibber, do you post comments at Kunstler’s blog? Have you gone all survivalist yet ?

Keith

19 Sep 12 at 10:42 am
A perfect opportunity for Odumbo to put his leadership to the test on behalf of the American airline industry:

Nineteen US aviation stakeholders on Monday sent a letter to President Barack Obama urging him to challenge the inclusion of international aviation under the European Union Emissions Trading Scheme (EU ETS) (ATW Daily News, Aug. 21). The letter comes ahead of the United Nation’s (UN) International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) meeting to be held Oct. 29-Nov. 6.

The groups—including Airlines for America, the Regional Airline Assn., Airports Council International-North America, the Aerospace Industries Assn., and several airline employee unions, and the Chamber of Commerce—have called on the president to initiate an Article 84 action under the Chicago Convention in the UN’s International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), whose governing council will convene from Oct. 29 to Nov. 6.

“The US must answer, and an Article 84 action is an appropriate and critical part of that answer,” the organizations said.

“Standing up against the application of this unilateral scheme on US airlines and general aviation aircraft operators is necessary to protect US sovereignty and jobs,” the letter said. “And it is the right position for the environment, since it will foster implementation of a truly international approach to aviation greenhouse gas emissions that will produce a better environmental outcome than a unilateral scheme. In fact, draining away any funds through taxation or cap-and-trade schemes to general government funds reduces the ability of our industry to limit emissions.”

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 10:45 am
When a Catholic or other Christian is intimidated or murdered in the Middle East or Africa by a Muslim, it upsets me. Maybe the writer needs to think about that too.

Quite so.
I’ve seen estimates of up to 20 million Christians worldwide are being oppressed by communists or Islamists on a daily basis.

Keith

19 Sep 12 at 10:46 am
Jonah Goldberg:

I’m just throwing it out there. The next time you hear someone lamenting how nobody’s speaking for the socially liberal fiscal conservatives, feel free to reply, “Well, there’s Clint Eastwood — and he’s voting for Romney.”

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 10:47 am
More bad loans in China, but what’s this, the collateral doesn’t even exist ?
Quelle surprise.

Keith

19 Sep 12 at 10:51 am
addendum : maybe all that overhang of steel inventory is not so bad after all.

Keith

19 Sep 12 at 10:52 am
Please stop feeding Cut’N Paste fembro

Yes febro was also caught out plagiarizing on the Romney thread.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 10:54 am
Keith’s link reinforces the point that Australia’s prosperity is tied to a corrupt, centrally planned economy in which there is no rule of law:

As defaults have risen in the world’s largest steel consumer, lenders have found that warehouse receipts for metal pledged as collateral do not always lead them to stacks of stored metal. Chinese authorities are investigating a number of cases in which steel documented in receipts was either not there, belonged to another company or had been pledged as collateral to multiple lenders, industry sources said.

Ghost inventories are exacerbating the wider ailments of the sector in China, which produces around 45 percent of the world’s steel and has over 200 million metric tons (220.5 million tons) of excess production capacity. Steel is another drag on a financial system struggling with bad loans from the property sector and local governments.

“What we have seen so far is just the tip of the iceberg,” said a trader from a steel firm in Shanghai who declined to be identified as he was not authorized to speak to the media. “The situation will get worse as poor demand, slumping prices and tight credit from banks create a domino effect on the industry.”

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 10:57 am
BREITBART: OBAMA ADMIN SENT UNARMED BRITISH FIRM TO PROTECT U.S. MISSION IN BENGHAZI

According to a source close to Breitbart News and high up in the intelligence community, the Obama administration’s policy following Muammar Gaddafi’s death has been to keep a “low profile” during a chaotic time.
For this reason, according to the source, American Marines were not stationed at the U.S. embassy in Tripoli or the American mission in Benghazi, as would typically have been the case. In the spirit of a “low profile,” the administration didn’t even want an American company in charge of private security. Blue Mountain, the British firm the State Department hired, was willing to abide by the “no bullets” Rules of Engagement (ROE), so were a logical fit for the contract. These sub-standard protections for American diplomats were signed by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in the ROE.
In essence, the Obama Administration tasked an unarmed British firm with security responsibilities that should have been handled by armed American servicemen, and it was all approved by the Secretary of State. Needless to say, the plan failed and an Ambassador was murdered, along with several others.
As of now, the State Department has not disclosed the full State Department Rules of Engagement for Libya.
Here is the full story.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 10:58 am
… with a falafel in his hand (probably not so popular in Sydney just at the moment)

If you want to keep your gut flora and fauna under control, best make your own kebab rolls.
A tasy combo is warm Kransky, sliced, lettuce, tomato, thinly sliced onion, and put a smear of hummus on the flatbread. Tabouli is good if you have some. A mix of tatziki and chilli sauce goes a treat too, or just chilli sauce. Roll it all up in greaseproof paper and foil, pop into the cafe press for a couple of minutes and before you can say ali baba you have a lovely snack.

blogstrop

19 Sep 12 at 11:00 am
Sununu: “You have a liberal media out there is looking for the tiniest little wart that they can blow up into a giant cancer”

Well, I think what you’re seeing is a Governor Romney that understands in a campaign you have to deal with the environment as it exists, and you have a liberal media out there is looking for the tiniest little wart that they can blow up into a giant cancer. And I understand he’s got to be a little more guarded with what he says and the explicit language he uses. The big message is Obama has failed this country economically, it’s got to be fixed, and Mitt Romney’s the guy to do it.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 11:03 am
Tom,

The article only relates to steel, but I’m willing to bet that it covers several other metals, particularly copper.

Keith

19 Sep 12 at 11:05 am
More bad loans in China, but what’s this, the collateral doesn’t even exist ?

That’s a cheery article. Just as well we have Wayne Swan at the helm or this could end very badly.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 11:06 am
That’ll be lunch, blogstrop, thanks.

Rudiau

19 Sep 12 at 11:06 am
“Multiculturalism is one of this country’s great successes and it must be defended,” he said.

In what way is Australia possibly “multicultural”?

Australia is 91% “white” european according to the CIA world fact book.

It’s like living in some Orwellian nightmare where these people have, with the aid of the media, created a mass delusion that we all must suffer in.

In their delusion there’s a hundred equal in size “cultures” living harmoniously in Australia.

Back here here in reality there’s a huge monoculture that barely tolerates other cultures eating and selling some of their own food. That’s it. That’s the extent of “multiculturalism” in Australia. It brutally stomps out any and all aspects of other “cultures” that it doesn’t like (chinese eating dog meat, afghan men and pederasty, FGM, Africans and polygamy, greek corruption, middle eastern misogyny, Family Honor, chinese celebratory firecrackers etc).

Leftism is a mental illness.

twostix

19 Sep 12 at 11:13 am
Did they really make this statement?

Token – Fairfax says “da”. The ALP goes even crazier in Canberra than most places. Something in the air.

And Delingpole opines today that our ABC is 1000 times sillier than the BBC.

My experiences with the ABC – particularly with a bonzer comic named Jon Faine – were one of the undoubted high points of my trip to Oz earlier this year. The ABC is like a comedy pastiche of the BBC: all the outrageous green/left bias, profligacy, arrogance, political correctness and statism which we grumble about in the BBC is magnified a thousandfold in its Australian sibling.

I concede he has a point, a definite point.

Bruce

19 Sep 12 at 11:17 am
In what way is Australia possibly “multicultural”?

There’s a good choice of restaurants and some nice looking exotic sheilas.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 11:17 am
Delingpole is a weedy fool.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 11:27 am
Hey Rabz, here (again) is Lizzie’s Happy Music to start the day well with. Just do a few sideways dancing steps while jiggling your shoulders up and down and going dumdy dumdy da dee dum with me now and you’ll feel great. Mindless joy. Works every time.

I am going this week to see Swan Lake and then away till Monday. I just love it when the little four cygnets dance in perfect dum de dum unison. And the pas de deux of Prince Seigfreid and his Swan Princess Odette expressing perfect love. And da evil beauty Odile, controlled by a sinister magician (an old pagan god?), leading him astray. And the international dancing at the Palace. I try to tell da Hairy Ape he should come see it, that this high art stems from the same old European sources as his great musical love, Wagner’s Ring Cycle; but he still prefers football. Anyway Rabz, I hope a few dancing steps are still in order.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

19 Sep 12 at 11:29 am
Another small step forward, dover_beach. Want to readjust your 400-year timeline?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19637156

Two Swedish women could be able to give birth using the wombs in which they were carried, doctors say, hailing the world’s first mother-to-daughter uterus transplants.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 11:30 am
Delingpole is a weedy fool.

That’s rich coming from a couch bound hausfrau who couldn’t bench press a strand of fettuccine.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 11:38 am
Delingpole is a weedy fool.

We know where you stand on the second descriptor, Stevie. So go on now, complete our picture. Show us your pecs.

James D looks and sounds fine to me.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

19 Sep 12 at 11:40 am
Tragically, Delingpole can’t be enjoyed by a pile of steaming dogshit who was born without an intellect. But his fantasy list of what might happen if you donate generously to the IPA (with the possibility of a return Dellers visit) is compulsory comedy:

$10,000 Julia Gillard will be strapped to a giant wind turbine in the mouth of Sydney Harbour, there to act as a dreadful warning to all who would mess with the economy of the Lucky Country.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 11:41 am
Odile is more interesting and sexier than Odette’s role. Too much goodness and purity is just a bit dull.

candy

19 Sep 12 at 11:43 am
Government now sending “articles” to magazines and “asking” them to run them as though they were written by the magazine:

PUBLIC relations staff from the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy are hawking articles praising the NBN to publications, telling editors they are free to run the stories under the names of their own journalists.

James Paterson, editor of the Institute of Public Affairs Review, which has been fiercely critical of the NBN, was startled to receive an offer of an article from an adviser at DBCDE on Friday offering a “meticulously researched” article on the NBN and women “quite gratis”. A follow-up email explained “the article is overly long — but deliberately so, to give you more choice if you cut”, while asking Mr Paterson to retain references in it to the Broadband Champions program launched last year by Communications Minister Stephen Conroy.

A third told Mr Paterson: “I have no problems with you by-lining it from your team.”

How much of Fairfax’s content is actually written by the government?

http://freedomwatch.ipa.org.au/spin-state-getting-out-of-control/

twostix

19 Sep 12 at 11:49 am
More Mother Jones/Jimmy Carter Jnr video:

Mitt Romney on Obama’s Foreign Policy

“The president’s foreign policy, in my opinion, is formed in part by a perception he has that his magnetism, and his charm, and his persuasiveness is so compelling that he can sit down with people like Putin and Chávez and Ahmadinejad, and that they’ll find that we’re such wonderful people that they’ll go on with us, and they’ll stop doing bad things. And it’s an extraordinarily naïve perception.”

A Classic!

I like this Romney bloke more and more as the campaign proceeds

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 11:50 am
“… who couldn’t bench press a strand of fettuccine.”

now that’s a classic line.

candy

19 Sep 12 at 11:54 am
The smell of vermin has just entered this thread..

Lazlo

19 Sep 12 at 11:54 am
Er, actually, I think I do look better without a shirt on than the weedy fool.

I renew my offer to email self pics to Gab, or to IT direct.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 11:59 am
Allen West on Islam.

Pity we don’t have his like here.

cohenite

19 Sep 12 at 12:02 pm
Abbott presser in ten minutes on the SSM bill. Presumably it will be on ABCNews24.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:02 pm
Er, actually, I think I do look better without a shirt on than the weedy fool.

He looks very wiry and strong. A throwback to a better time when Britain was the most glorious country the world has ever known.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 12:03 pm
In real life maybe, Candy. But this ballet is mythic stuff that expresses polar opposites of good and evil via the medium of ‘magically captured’ females, while Prince Seigfreid, the Galahad/Percival figure of innocence betrayed (my analysis), does take a fall and thus brings his house crashing down around him. For the old traditions of human frailty laid out bare in real lives it is hard to go past Euripides in BC and Shakespeare in AD. Then watch a few episodes of any good TV drama to see how much things never really change.

I should get back to doing other things. Thanks for your thoughts. See ya.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

19 Sep 12 at 12:05 pm
Abbott is timing his presser to happen just after Penny Wong finishes speaking in the Senate for the bill, evidently.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:06 pm
Cory Bernardi has just resigned as Abbott’s shadow parliamentary secretary for running CL’s beagle line against SSM.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:08 pm
Sharia Law is of more importance to more Australians than this bogus wank about homo confetti fests.

What a disgusting waist of parliamentary time even talking about this malarkey.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 12:09 pm
Steve hates weedy people.

Bruce

19 Sep 12 at 12:12 pm
Abbott now live on ABCNews24 to talk about Bernardi’s sacking.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:14 pm
Oh, is that all. Here I was thinking Tony was going to announce he’s moving in with Christopher Pearson and would like a spring wedding.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 12:14 pm
New shadow parliamentary secretary to the leader is Arthur Sinodinos.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:16 pm
Jamie Briggs also elevated to parliamentary secretary.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:16 pm
“n real life maybe, Candy. But this ballet is mythic stuff that expresses polar opposites of good and evil via the medium of ‘magically captured’ females”

Yes, Lizzie, I think I understand, i’m very fond of ballet I love the beauty of it and all not least the music, but the Swan Lake versions I’ve been lucky enough to see – I’ve found Odile just the more compelling somehow, perhaps just because of the contrast.

candy

19 Sep 12 at 12:17 pm
I hope Bernardi reads this blog and got the idea to go beagle from CL.

If CL was a speech writer for any Coalition identity, it would be a sure way to increase Labor vote in that electorate.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 12:17 pm
Abbott said the comments were “ill disciplined”. Journo asks whether he thinks they were offensive or wrong. Abbott refuses to agree with those characterisations specifically, says merely that “many people would find them repugnant”.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:19 pm
Arthur Sinodinos is an infinitely better choice.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 12:19 pm
Sinodinos should be in shadow treasury, really.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:19 pm
Chinese authorities are investigating a number of cases in which steel documented in receipts was either not there, belonged to another company or had been pledged as collateral to multiple lenders, industry sources said.

But issuing carbon credits based on trees being preserved could never go wrong.

At least with steel you can actually check it’s there by going to the warehouse. Anyone up for a trek into Borneo to see if their carbon-credit ™ tree is still there, or to check if a couple of swedes have bought the rights to the same carbon-credit ™ tree?

brc

19 Sep 12 at 12:20 pm
Jamie Briggs also elevated to parliamentary secretary

Apparently Briggs is a warmist. I find that a repugnant lifestyle and would prefer people made congress with beagles.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 12:20 pm
Apparently Briggs is a warmist.

Good. Another vote for Turnbull in the forthcoming challenge.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 12:22 pm
Sounds to me like Abbott’s message to his party is “keep being crazy loony wingnuts, but for Christ’s sake don’t tell anyone”.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:24 pm
Sounds to a cretinous fool like me like Abbott’s message to his party is “keep being crazy loony wingnuts, but for Christ’s sake don’t tell anyone”.

TFIFY

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 12:28 pm
Delingpoles article has found Ben Cubby, who is in rather a froth:

@bencubby: This goose @JamesDelingpole reckons Gina Rinehart has promised him my job as environment editor of the SMH. http://t.co/O8 …

Really, could Cubby take the bait with a bigger chomp? What an idiot.

One thing about Leftism – not only is it a mental disease, but it seems to result in a shrinking of the humor cortext and a malignant growth in the outrage cerebellum.

brc

19 Sep 12 at 12:28 pm
I see M0nty & SoB are doing their Bird impressions again today.

No surprises they get lost when they see a leader act on a matter of integrity.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 12:30 pm
LOl monty and SFB infurious agreement with each other like a couple of nodding head dogs. And just as clueless.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 12:30 pm
Too bad. For six hours this thread was vermin free.

Just fuck off to some McTernan echo chamber.

Lazlo

19 Sep 12 at 12:33 pm
There can only be one conclusion from today’s events: don’t mess with Big Bestiality.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:34 pm
Emails reveal Justice Dept. regularly enlists Media Matters to spin press

Internal Department of Justice emails obtained by The Daily Caller show Attorney General Eric Holder’s communications staff has collaborated with the left-wing advocacy group Media Matters for America in an attempt to quell news stories about scandals plaguing Holder and America’s top law enforcement agency.

Dozens of pages of emails between DOJ Office of Public Affairs Director Tracy Schmaler and Media Matters staffers show Schmaler, Holder’s top press defender, working with Media Matters to attack reporters covering DOJ scandals. TheDC obtained the emails through a Freedom of Information Act request

Emails sent in September and November 2010 show Schmaler working with Media Matters staffer Jeremy Holden on attacking news coverage of the New Black Panther Party voter intimidation scandal.

Holden attacked former DOJ Civil Rights Division attorneys J. Christian Adams and Hans von Spakovsky on Sept. 20, 2010 for what he called an attempt “to reignite the phony New Black Panther Party scandal.”

Before Holden posted his article at 7:52 p.m., Schmaler sent him several emails with information helping him attack both former DOJ oficials.

“Here’s one Wolf letter,” read the subject of one email Schmaler sent Holden that contained no text. The email was likely a reference to Virginia Republican Rep. Frank Wolf, a member of Congress who led the Republican charge on the New Black Panther Party scandal involving alleged voter intimidation at a November 2008 polling place in Philadelphia.

In response, Holden told Schmaler that “The response to interog 38 is particularly helpful. Thanks!”

Interrogatory 38 was a reference to a question from Congress that the Justice Department answered, concerning the role of several senior officials in discussing litigation related to that voter intimidation case.

A follow-up email shows Schmaler sending Holden more information.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 12:35 pm
PUBLIC relations staff from the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy are hawking articles praising the NBN to publications, telling editors they are free to run the stories under the names of their own journalists.

LOL naturally Fairfax is way ahead them already.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 12:36 pm
LOl monty and SFB infurious agreement with each other

Gab, if there was a gold medal to be awarded for sycophancy on this blog, we all know you would be the odds on favourite. In fact, “odds on favourite” wouldn’t do it justice.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 12:38 pm
Here I was thinking Tony was going to announce he’s moving in with Christopher Pearson and would like a spring wedding.

That would certainly dispel any notions of Abbott’s (falsely stated) homophobia.

But then what kind of depraved mind thinks about Abbott, his penis, his speedos and Abbott shacking up with a man?

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 12:40 pm
Cory Bernardi has just resigned as Abbott’s shadow parliamentary secretary for running CL’s beagle line against SSM.

It’s not a “line.”

I’ve asked gay ‘marriage’ supporters to explain on what basis they oppose men marrying beagles.

So far, no takers.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 12:41 pm
Arthur Sinodinos on ABCNews24 now.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:43 pm
Sounds to me like Abbott’s message to his party is “keep being crazy loony wingnuts, but for Christ’s sake don’t tell anyone”.

Uh-huh.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 12:43 pm
“So far, no takers.”

Translation: lalalalaIcan’thearyoulalala

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 12:44 pm
Not even gold is safe

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/tungsten-filled-10-oz-gold-bar-found-middle-manhattans-jewelry-district

.

19 Sep 12 at 12:45 pm
Steve, you seem to have overlooked the latest news on Obama’s handsome young “body man.”

Obama arranged for a rich bundler to look after his expenses.

Isn’t that sweet?

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 12:46 pm
Who was the daft lefy that just recently advocated it would be all fine and dandy if brothers and sisters married? talk about lefty inbred mountain folk a la Deliverance..

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 12:46 pm
I’ve asked gay ‘marriage’ supporters to explain on what basis they oppose men marrying beagles.

So far, no takers.

You may as well ask supporters of marriage full stop that same question.

Turnbull has your number on this C.L.

Your claims are insulting, hysterical and ridiculous.

IT has it right though that this ranking as more important than the loss of liberties, is completely absurd.

.

19 Sep 12 at 12:47 pm
It’s not a “line.”

It is a line. And it has just gotten your wingnut poster boy Cory sacked in disgrace, because it’s highly offensive for gays to have their relationships portrayed as equivalent to bestiality. Gratz CL, Creepy Cory probably cribbed his argument from your stupid ramblings.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:48 pm
Why shouldn’t a man marry a beagle if that’s what he wants?

GO!

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 12:49 pm
“his handsome, athletic, single young “body man”… handsome young “body man.””

Is there something you want to get off your chest, CL?

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 12:49 pm
Humans marrying animals is already passe.

Beagle-power!

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 12:50 pm
…it’s highly offensive for gays to have their relationships portrayed as equivalent to bestiality…

OK. Why shouldn’t a man marry a hibiscus if that’s what he wants?

GO!

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 12:53 pm
Speaking of beagles, Snoopy will soon pass away.

Snoopy is my fatherinlaw’s dog of about 15 years.

She survived multiple head ons with cars with broken legs the usual result.

She survived eating a box of valium.

She survived numerous leg reconstructions and other surgeries, costing more than a new car in total.

She survived a dobermann biting her skull and piercing it.

She survived eating strange things, like panties, car head rests, glasses, leather and chain (dog) collars, anything that fell to floor from dining table, even if not food, living with my crazy in laws and much much more.

She sadly will not survive having her spine degenerate to nothing, meaning her legs don’t work anymore.

She never bit anyone. She loved a scratch around her tummy. She was a good and loyal dog who will be missed.

My motherinlaw is also sad, but maybe there will be some money left over for the rest of their retirement. Their vet has now shelved his home reno plans.

My girls enjoyed sharing Snoopy for a few years. We’ll get them their own dog in the new year.

pete m

19 Sep 12 at 12:54 pm
Why shouldn’t CL be banned as a constant, repetitive troll on the issue of SSM?

GO!

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:55 pm
no doubt there are some wackos around who will want to marry their pooch.

but likening homosexuality to bestiality or whatever he said was not appropriate and wouldn’t do the Coalition any favours.

candy

19 Sep 12 at 12:55 pm
ps I had a long comment yesterday on our power bills get lost between posting and appearing. we’re using the govt subsidies on solar power and paying no more than $150/quarter. Once the bill was -$34! No way I’m missing out and subsidising anyone else!

pete m

19 Sep 12 at 12:55 pm
don’t mess with Big Bestiality.

Exactly right. The Liberal socialists have caved in to the Green Left’s state religion, which staged a riot last Saturday defending their right to hump animals. Apparently they’re planning another bestiality riot in Melbourne next weekend, which Monty will be attending as a cheer leader. Better grow that beard, fatso, or you’ll be ostracised.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 12:55 pm
Marry Your Pet.

Specialists in catering for those who would like to demonstrate a long-term commitment to their pet.

Only amtter of time until the law reconises these “partnerships” as marriage, after all it’s only a matter of time until the law recognizes same sex “marriage”.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 12:56 pm
Still no takers.

How about a rock?

Why shouldn’t a man marry a rock if that’s what he wants?

GO!

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 12:57 pm
Your autism is showing again, CL.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 12:59 pm
It’ll be brothers and sisters married next, before rocks, in this “progressive” world of “marriage equality”.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 1:00 pm
You’re losing C.L. and you are losing badly.

.

19 Sep 12 at 1:00 pm
Your claims are insulting, hysterical and ridiculous.

If there’s anyone who should stay away from the “there’s no slippery slope” argument it should probably be the guy who’s cool with polygamy.

twostix

19 Sep 12 at 1:01 pm
There is nothing wrong with polygamy.

Why can’t you guys be adults about these issues?

.

19 Sep 12 at 1:02 pm
Peter Singer advocates bestiality so “marriage equality” is simply the next step in the “progressive” world.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 1:05 pm
Wasn’t there a woman in France a few years back who married a dolphin?

If that’s okay, then why not a beagle?

nilk

19 Sep 12 at 1:08 pm
I think Romney has forgotten what party he belongs to:

I do believe we should have enough jobs and enough take-home pay such as people have the privilege of higher incomes that allow allow them to be to pay taxes. I think people would like to be paying taxes.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 1:08 pm
Cori was idiotic to raise the bestiality angle.

The real story is supposed “rights” campaigners who out of one side of their mouth demand the “right” of adults to marry another consenting adult if they so choose, then out of the other side “promise” that once they secure that right they’ll immediately join the oppressors and use the arguments that were used against themselves to gang up on anybody else that comes along (polygamists, cousins wanting to marry, etc).

Dishonest, hypocritical and untrustworthy.

twostix

19 Sep 12 at 1:09 pm
Wasn’t there a woman in France a few years back who married a dolphin?

There’s been quite a few. See my comment at 12.50pm.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 1:09 pm
‘I’ve married my sister – now we’re having our second baby’: Siblings who defied law plan to start new life abroad
.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 1:15 pm
There is nothing wrong with polygamy.

Why can’t you guys be adults about these issues?

Excuse me?

Why can’t you be honest?, dot

You piggy back on Turnbull’s “moderate” chest puffing claiming “there’s no slippery slope” to attack CL while at the same time agitating for polygamy.

twostix

19 Sep 12 at 1:15 pm
Still no takers.

It’s a very simple question. What reason do gay ‘marriage’ advocates (including phony libertarians who want the state to monster private citizens and private institutions by diktat) put forth to explain their opposition to a marriage between a man and, say, a hibiscus?

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 1:16 pm
And from the comments section about the sibling marriage:

You two love each other. That much is obvious. Despite what ‘morally correct’ people will think, I support you. All acts of true love are sacred and should be honoured. Good luck to you both, your child and your unborn child.

- Ashley Tait , Livingston, Scotland,

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 1:16 pm
There is nothing wrong with polygamy.

Why can’t you guys be adults about these issues?

In terms of a relationship or in terms of qualifying for welfare?

Token

19 Sep 12 at 1:18 pm
So what’s the difference, same sex marriage advocates say the same thing:

All acts of true love are sacred and should be honoured

as those who say marrying your sibling is cool.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 1:18 pm
“It’ll be brothers and sisters married next, before rocks, in this “progressive” world of “marriage equality”.”

Since some people think the only thing that matters in marriage is that it’s between a man and a woman, it seems that incestuous marriage is more acceptable to these people than same-sex marriage.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 1:18 pm
I don’t know C.L., why people want any marriage law of any kind is beyond me.

.

19 Sep 12 at 1:19 pm
…it seems that incestuous marriage is more acceptable to these people than same-sex marriage

Who are “these people”?

Incest is a cultural taboo that is almost universal for good reason.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 1:20 pm
I vote today is proclaimed Deviated Prevert Day in honour of the triumph of the bestialists. Boatloads of enthusiasts are queueing off Indonesia as we speak in anticipation of the celebrations.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 1:23 pm
it seems that incestuous marriage is more acceptable to these people than same-sex marriage.

Oh look, a bigot who thinks he can stop consenting adults who love each other from getting married because he finds them to be icky.

How very Conservative.

twostix

19 Sep 12 at 1:25 pm
“Incest is a cultural taboo that is almost universal for good reason.”

No duh. So what good reason is there for preventing SSM?

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 1:26 pm
CL and dot are both right.

What’s the principled demarcation between what counts as marriage and what doesn’t? Between who can get married and who can’t and under what circumstancnes? It’s just a certificate after all. Means nothing, according to an increasing number of couples who dodge the paperwork. If people want a certificate declaring their ‘marriage’ (whatever that means to them) under some obscure circumstance, why would we stop them?

dd

19 Sep 12 at 1:26 pm
You piggy back on Turnbull’s “moderate” chest puffing claiming “there’s no slippery slope” to attack CL while at the same time agitating for polygamy.

There is no slippery slope. There is nothing wrong with polygamy nor am I “agitating” for it. You should apologise because I am being honest.

If welfare has to be reformed for that to be feasible, good. It should have happened 30-40 years ago.

The idea that libertarians want to dictate what marriage is or open up all kinds of special interest claims to welfare is just contemptible.

.

19 Sep 12 at 1:30 pm
“why would we stop them?”

Because some people like to monster private citizens and private institutions by diktat.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 1:30 pm
I lean towards the position of increased liberalisation, by the way.
But people on both sides throw the word ‘marriage’ around in this debate as if merely uttering the word makes their moral position so transparent and obvious that it doesn’t need to be explained. It does.

dd

19 Sep 12 at 1:30 pm
What a shame. Bernardi was a great plus for the ALP.

stevec

19 Sep 12 at 1:34 pm
Let’s make this Sunday worse than Cronulla:

A text message urging violence worse than the Cronulla riots has been circulated after news of a planned Muslim protest in Melbourne this Sunday.

The message, seen by The Age, calls for Australians to “battle for our rights and our land” to counteract a rally at the State Library planned by Muslims to protest a US film that denigrates the prophet Mohammed.

However, sources have provided The Age with another text message circulating within the Muslim community that says the planned protest on Sunday has not been organised by Muslims, and that they should not take part in it.

Muslim community did not organise any rallies in Melbourne … WE CONDEMN ANY ATTACK AGAINST OUR BELOVED PROPHET MOUHAMMAD (saw) and against ISLAM,” it says.

“But we must reply in a calculated and well planned way. WE MUST NOT ENCOURAGE FOOLISH BEHAVIOUR that will lead to a greater harm to the Muslim community. Please BOYCOTT the Melbourne protest on Sunday 23rd September because the Muslim community HAS NOT ORGANIZED IT please spread the word! Salam.”

Before the original text message was made public, Muslim leaders had urged those organising the rally to do so peacefully, and police said they had been made aware of the protest.

Socialist Alternative spokesman Corey Oakley said the group would not be attending any rally on Sunday but would discuss the rise of ‘‘Islamophobia’’ at a meeting tomorrow night.

Good, the commos are involved, which means this Sunday will be a protest against the Abbott Government which will destroy several city blocks. Might as well get started early!

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 1:38 pm
Another small step forward, dover_beach. Want to readjust your 400-year timeline?

No, and what a monumental waste of medical resources.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 1:39 pm
DOt has hit the nail on the head.

I’ve always thought that civil marraige law amounts only to a register of people who will be able to calim certain privileges and who have certain obligations under the law.

The substance of marriage is a private matter.

What the LGBT lobby want is to change society so that we all think of their unions as normal. The point is, we already do think of them as normal, for LGBTs. As they are all lefty twats, they think the only way to change society is to change the law. They are too effing stupid to understand that the State and Society are two different things. They think that Government recognition of their unions as marriages will automatically cast respectability on them.

I think that true acceptance is societal first and gvovernment long after.

I hope that same sex couples can get the privileges that anyone gets under the law, i.e. superannuation benefits, inheritance rights etc. But that doesn’t mean we have override thousands of years of tradition to make things work. They may neeed to have some kind of registration of the unions with the Government to get these privileges. But is it necessary to mangle the meaning of the word ‘marriage’ in the process, and to put the statutory definition at odds with the societal definition? Why not just pass an SSU Act which sets out the registration of same sex unions and says that a spouse in an SSU has the same rights at law as a spuse in a marriage?

There will be Constituional difficulties for the Commonwealth here, because it only has power re marriages. But the States could refer the power to the Commonwealth.

Rococo Liberal

19 Sep 12 at 1:40 pm
“Incest is a cultural taboo that is almost universal for good reason.”

No duh. So what good reason is there for preventing SSM?

I’ll answer you dimwit.

But first tell us what you believe the good reason against incest actually is.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 1:42 pm
A strange day on the Cat. The lefties are agreeing with Bolt. Bernardi should be censored apparently.
Looks like the labor way of controlling dissent/alternative views, the ultimate expression of which was Shorten essentially agreeing with whatever the PM said, “because I’m sure whatever she said is correct”.

Keith

19 Sep 12 at 1:43 pm
The substance of marriage is a private matter.

Utter nonsense.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 1:44 pm
The lefties are agreeing with Bolt.

No.

No they are not.

Bolt is nuanced in his agreement that Bernardi had to stand down.

It is not for any of the reasons leftists want him disgraced.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 1:46 pm
“I’ll answer you dimwit.

But first tell us what you believe the good reason against incest actually is.”

Like most taboos, it’s about protection of the group. In this instance, the taboo against incest promotes genetic diversity and thus strength.

Your turn.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 1:48 pm
is it necessary to mangle the meaning of the word ‘marriage’ in the process

Yes it is, RL. The whole idea is to destroy the institution of marriage as a safe haven for procreation as it was not invented by the left. Only by destroying the institution can the left embark on its next ambition: to depopulate the earth.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 1:50 pm
In this instance, the taboo against incest promotes genetic diversity and thus strength.

So they can acquire children the same way same sex couples do.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 1:50 pm
Like most taboos, it’s about protection of the group. In this instance, the taboo against incest promotes genetic diversity and thus strength.

That incorrect dimwit.

It’s about prevention of the sexual abuse of children and the ensuing destruction of family as the pedagogic unit of society.

Marriage between one man and one woman is about the encouragement of family as the pedagogic unit of society.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 1:55 pm
So they can acquire children the same way same sex couples do.

Are you saying heterosexual sex is not necessary, Gab? For shame.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 1:55 pm
To clarify:

Jarrah-the-dunce thinks the children of the union of a father and his daughter would be malformed.

They almost certainly would be normal

As recent history in Germany attests

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 1:58 pm
Wow, the news flashes keep coming from the Mittster.

Apparently, the Palestinians are not interested in peace.

Who would possibly have known?

James in Melbourne

19 Sep 12 at 2:01 pm
dd:
If people want a certificate declaring their ‘marriage’ (whatever that means to them) under some obscure circumstance, why would we stop them?

Who is stopping them producing their own certificates? Maybe those internet sites selling degrees can expand their services. But, of course, they don’t want a certificate, they want recognition and acknowledgement.

Jarrah:
Because some people like to monster private citizens and private institutions by diktat.

Marriage isn’t a private institution.

it seems that incestuous marriage is more acceptable to these people than same-sex marriage.

No. Both are unacceptable and absurd.

No duh. So what good reason is there for preventing SSM?

We ought to stopping confusing a refusal to recognise SSM with preventing SSM.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 2:02 pm
“It’s about prevention of the sexual abuse of children”

No.

I’m waiting on the “good reason” for preventing SSM.

“Jarrah-the-dunce thinks the children of the union of a father and his daughter would be malformed.”

You don’t have to prove your stupidity so often, you know. We get it – you’re a moron.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 2:03 pm
Who is stopping them producing their own certificates? Maybe those internet sites selling degrees can expand their services.

An interesting point. I wonder what would happen if I started selling private marriage ‘certificates’ online?

dd

19 Sep 12 at 2:05 pm
“Marriage isn’t a private institution.”

By the gods, dover_beach has finally disagreed with CL!

“We ought to stopping confusing a refusal to recognise SSM with preventing SSM.”

I don’t care if you don’t recognise SSM. But I do care that you want to legally prevent SSM.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 2:07 pm
FME. Is anyone else watching this crap in Question Time?

Septimus

19 Sep 12 at 2:11 pm
Marraige means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life.

[Marriage Act 1961]

Marraige by definition is an exclusive union.

Same sex unions can seek (and in my opinion should recieve) the same legal recognition but not at the expense of what is by definition a specific union of consenting adults of which one is male and the other female.

Remove the attack on the definition of marraige and concentrate on defining other unions between consenting adults for the purposes of obtaining legal recognition and the number of those objecting will reduce dramatically.

Nanuestalker

19 Sep 12 at 2:12 pm
I’m already working on the design for my marriage certificate for Gab, CL and d-b. It will be a very harmonious household, given the amount of mutual support and pleasure they already give each other.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 2:14 pm
Oh look, a bigot who thinks he can stop consenting adults who love each other from getting married because he finds them to be icky.

That’s Jarrah. Wing-nut bigot.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 2:19 pm
On another thread I talked about how Islam operates as a “global mind” and that what happens in Beirut has a direct consequence here. Paul Kelly alluded to this issue also in his piece in today’s Oz. And here we have a Muslim student clearly explaining how this mindset works in the SMH (quoted above):

To begin with, many Muslims in Australia do not simply give up their identity as belonging to a global community merely because they happen to live in Australia. Many have not bought the liberal idea of individualism, and so see events happening on the other side of the planet as personally related to them. So, when a Muslim woman is killed collecting firewood in Afghanistan, these youth are angered at the fact that their sister was murdered. When a Muslim man is crushed to death in Palestine, they lament the loss of their brother. It may not make sense to a Western audience, but that doesn’t matter.

The miltancy of Islam overseas and the continual volatility of events in Muslim countries makes this mindset a uniquely potent ongoing threat to peace in this country.

Viva

19 Sep 12 at 2:20 pm
FME. Is anyone else watching this crap in Question Time?

What’s happening in the Thunderdome?

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 2:23 pm
In this instance, the taboo against incest promotes genetic diversity and thus strength.

Note that Jarrah is assuming that incestuous marriages would be between brother and sister. He accidentally defines marriage as between a man and a woman. Oops. But in the left’s brave new world, what’s to stop brother ‘marrying’ brother?

So no argument from genetic diversity need apply.

Try again.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 2:24 pm
FME. Is anyone else watching this crap in Question Time?

What’s happening?

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 2:25 pm
Annabel Crabb is doing her usual fluff bit:

Oh, Mitt. America’s favourite bazillionnaire has stuck his Gucci loafer in it again, and as usual, it’s money-related.

Martin Amis once wrote of the howler-prone president Reagan that:

Each time he goes up to speak, you sense that the pollsters are reaching for their telephones, the aides for their aspirins.

Dear God, Romney could be the next Reagan!

The rest of the article is turgid left wing boiler plate that Steve from Brisbane could type with his eyes closed while darning a sock.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 2:30 pm
I need to be here at the Cat more often. The place seems to degenerate into abuse when I’m not around. Sad really. As i can is see it’s as a result of all the trolling by leftarded dipsticks.

Are you saying heterosexual sex is not necessary, Gab? For shame.

No fat boy, that’s what you suggested few days ago as a way of trying to normalize the fact that you’re a virgin…. at 38 years of age. Don’t try and project that crap, you doofus.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 2:34 pm
Good to see Jools voting with Tony on the glitter, confetti and beagles bill.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 2:34 pm
Over now. Dullard wasted the first 10 minutes of Question Time giving a self-indulgent life history of her father. Then Abbott agreed that John Gillard had raised a wonderful daughter who is now the Prime Minister.

Septimus

19 Sep 12 at 2:35 pm
Marriage isn’t a private institution.

Certainly the SSM folk don’t want it to be private. They want to force acceptance on those who don’t want to accept it. They want to force photographers, venues etc. to cater for them, even when those people don’t want to use their talents, time or property for that purpose. That sort of behaviour is pretty public stuff.

Ellen of Tasmania

19 Sep 12 at 2:35 pm
The rest of the article is turgid left wing boiler plate that Steve from Brisbane could type with his eyes closed while darning a sock.

Funny that. I’m almost tempted to pay Stepford not to show up here. No Kidding, it would be almost worth it.

Nanabel Crabb get paid 300K a year for the swill she writes. Think about that for a second…. and Stepford is a better troll than she is.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 2:36 pm
Note that Jarrah is assuming that incestuous marriages would be between brother and sister. He accidentally defines marriage as between a man and a woman. Oops. But in the left’s brave new world, what’s to stop brother ‘marrying’ brother?

So no argument from genetic diversity need apply.

A brother could marry a brother and then ask their sister to act as a surrogate for their offspring. The only trouble Cory can envisage would be getting the couple’s Spaniel recognised as the sperm donor.

Splatacrobat

19 Sep 12 at 2:37 pm
For those keen to see Jon Stewart’s take on the 47%, you can view it in Australia via Mediaite.

(I haven’t watched it yet, but I assume it is good.)

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 2:37 pm
The SSM bill vote is Gillard’s most honest decision as PM. She’s never respected the institution and certainly won’t be extending it to the hairdressing and steel working community.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 2:38 pm
So Parliament has obeyed Abbott and Pell.

Good.

And here’s the golden pic:

Julia Gillard and other Labor MPs, right foreground, sit opposite ALP colleagues on the Coalition side of the House of Representatives for the vote on same-sex marriage.

We won.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 2:38 pm
Re: the slippery slope argument.

It seems to depend on where you are on the slope. I can imagine some polygamy folk, when confronted with the slippery slope argument saying that OF COURSE they aren’t arguing for SSM – that’s just silly. And so on.

No fault divorce was the start of the slippery slope. What kind of contract/covenant is it that allows one party to break it whenever it suits them?

Ellen of Tasmania

19 Sep 12 at 2:40 pm
I’m almost tempted to pay Stepford not to show up here. No Kidding, it would be almost worth it.

I’m willing to negotiate. I’ve put years of work into building up to this status: sufficiently annoying to be paid not to do it.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 2:40 pm
You’re losing C.L. and you are losing badly.

I think not.

Abu Chowdah

19 Sep 12 at 2:43 pm
Apparently one of the ones arrested after the saturday inter-cultural wing ding was recognised by schoolkids as being their busdriver! Parents will be thrilled.
This clip from the Simpsons about Otto the school bus driver is a poor copy (still good, still good, as Homer would say) of a hilarious excerpt – couldn’t find a better one. After a bit of guitar playing he’s running late getting them to school, steps on it and creates mayhem. Spinal Tap are among the casualties. Love the bit at the end where the bumper bar falls off and has a sticker “How’s My Driving – Phone 5558821″.

blogstrop

19 Sep 12 at 2:45 pm
Remove the attack on the definition of marraige and concentrate on defining other unions between consenting adults for the purposes of obtaining legal recognition and the number of those objecting will reduce dramatically.

Agreed!

Abu Chowdah

19 Sep 12 at 2:46 pm
Legalizing Incestuous and Polygamous Marriage

Promoting a society-wide aversion to incest is almost certainly an effective tool for preventing the sexual abuse of children……

Our interest in preventing childhood sexual abuse gives us reason to promote an aversion to incest. In this respect, evolution may have given us the raw tools to work with, but evolution does not justify its use. Nor does eugenics. It is the prevention of childhood sexual abuse that justifies its use.

One of the social tools for promoting this aversion – as well as one of its effects – is a social intolerance of incestuous marriage. Permitting these marriages would require reducing the social aversion to incest – telling community members that it is okay and nothing to feel bad about. Whereas a prohibition communicates to society at large that it is something to feel bad about, which promotes this aversion, and reduces incidents of childhood sexual abuse.

Incest / Sexual Abuse of Children

With the increase in the divorce rates, more children are at greater risk than ever. Women, in their attempts to find a mate, may unwittingly be putting their children at greater risk for sexual abuse from the men they date. If the mother remarries, according to a survey done by Russell, the “stepdaughters are over eight times more at risk of sexual abuse by the stepfathers who reared them than are daughters reared by their biological fathers.” (Russell, 1986, p. 103) “As some researchers have begun to suspect, it may be the case that a growing number of stepfathers are really ‘smart pedophiles’, men who marry divorced or single women with families as a way of getting close to children.” (Crewdson, 1988, p. 31)

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 2:47 pm
LOL
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/cory-bernardi-quits-over-bestiality-comments/story-fn59niix-1226477232022
stupid loser

Pedro

19 Sep 12 at 2:47 pm
Julia Gillard and other Labor MPs, right foreground, sit opposite ALP colleagues on the Coalition side of the House of Representatives for the vote on same-sex marriage.

Good to see she is true to the values she held all those years ago and is not endorsing the expansion of what the ANU called “legalised rape” to a new class of victims.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 2:50 pm
Cory has been dudded. Paul Keating brought animals into it when he reportedly said “Two blokes and a cocker spaniel don’t make a family unit”.

blogstrop

19 Sep 12 at 2:51 pm
That’s very funny splat. By the way the sister in your example is a transvestite surrogate.

That’s basically the stock of European Royal families in a back to the future type thingi.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 2:51 pm
Who voted yes, who voted no on same-sex marriage.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 2:52 pm
I share your frustration JC. Now the troll has even admitted that he creams his jeans by annoying people.

As a number of us have said before: just ignore them. By starving them of effect (annoyance) they will become orgasm deprived and seek out other places to get their jollies.

Lazlo

19 Sep 12 at 2:52 pm
No Pedro… Disagree with Bernardi however much you like, but he’s really good value at times as he’s totally unscripted ans says the first thing that comes into his head .. and doesn’t really give a shit.

He’s like Birdie that way.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 2:53 pm
No fault divorce was the start of the slippery slope. What kind of contract/covenant is it that allows one party to break it whenever it suits them?

One introduced by noted communist Robert Menzies.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 2:56 pm
Monst..

Divorce is something you don’t need to worry about.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 2:57 pm
Remove the attack on the definition of marraige and concentrate on defining other unions between consenting adults for the purposes of obtaining legal recognition and the number of those objecting will reduce dramatically.

That is too sensible and misses the goal of pulling apart social traditions across many cultural and ethnic lines.

As if the social acknowlegement and end of economic discrimination is the true goal for the fanatics (though it is for many gays like Abbott’s friend Christopher Pearson and gays I know)

Token

19 Sep 12 at 2:59 pm
LOL
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/cory-bernardi-quits-over-bestiality-comments/story-fn59niix-1226477232022
stupid loser

No, he’s a proper social and fiscal conservative.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 3:02 pm
Who voted yes, who voted no on same-sex marriage.

Which side the “principled” guy who is Labor & Greens voters favourite PM vote?

Token

19 Sep 12 at 3:02 pm
Then the BB is the right place for him JC. He does lack discipline and it’s because he tries to big-note himself as a culture warrior.

Minty, I don’t think Menzies was PM in 1975.

Pedro

19 Sep 12 at 3:05 pm
JamesK, the stupidest commenter in the history of Catallaxy, completely wrong yet again. Big surprise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_taboo

In reality, there’s quite a few theories behind the existence of incest taboos, but James’ theory is not one of them.

So not only is he wrong (again), but out of 3-4 possibly correct answers, he chose to go with the only absolutely wrong one.

What a loser.

Yobbo

19 Sep 12 at 3:05 pm
’cause Aunt Wiki says so

FTFYobbo

Nanuestalker

19 Sep 12 at 3:11 pm
I see some reports today suggesting Jesus had a wife. This is extremely insulting to Catholics. Do you see us ripping up the streets and smashing police heads?

Lysander Spooner

19 Sep 12 at 3:11 pm
IF, I’ve no doubt he’s a proper conservative, that’s not mutually exclusive with stupid loser.

Those thin edge arguments are intellectually crap. The problem for conservatives in this case is that the good arguments simply aren’t there. You’re only left with bigotry or simple fear of change.

Pedro

19 Sep 12 at 3:11 pm
Greeno pinko lezzo poofo festival would rather die than drive a Jeep:

THE City of Port Phillip knocked back a $500,000 sponsorship deal that would have guaranteed the future of the St Kilda Festival in 2013 because the proposed sponsor was perceived to be at odds with its sustainable transport policy.
The Age has learnt that the council employed an external contractor, New South Wales-based Sound Campaign, to find a major sponsor to help underwrite next year’s festival. In July, Sound Campaign presented a package in which Jeep, a division of the Chrysler motor company, would have naming rights over the festival. That deal was rejected outright.
”It would be fair to say that the sponsorship arrangement that was put to us was not consistent with our values,” Cr Janet Bolitho told The Age yesterday.
”We are entirely, utterly and wholly committed to a sustainable transport agenda and Jeep does not fit in there.”
That principled stand has, however, put next year’s festival at risk, with Cr Bolitho believed to be among a faction led by deputy mayor Frank O’Connor who question whether the main attraction of the eight-day event, the final-day Festival Sunday, should be cancelled because of a projected budget blowout.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 3:14 pm
JamesK, the stupidest commenter in the history of Catallaxy, completely wrong yet again. Big surprise.

LOL

Perennial censorious self-identified and invariably condescending ‘libertarian’ and fuckwit Yobbo quotes Wikipedia for his sociology or indeed anything that can support his repetitive expressed stupid and disgusting beliefs

Sociologist Ian Robertson gives three main social reasons why incest taboo exist as a cultural universals. The first is that early human beings-living primarily in small kinship groups of hunters and gatherers- needed to protect themselves by forming alliances with other groups. By forcing their children to marry into families outside their own, each group widened its social links and provided itself with allies in time of famine or other hazards. These groups faced the alternatives of marrying out or dying. Marriage in most traditional societies is a practical alliance between groups, not a love match between individuals. That is why marriages are arranged by the parents, often when their offspring are still children and sometimes even before they are born. The second reason for the incest taboo is that the family itself could not function without it, for the statuses of family members would be utterly and hopelessly confused. As Kingsley Davis points out: ” The incestuous child of a father-daughter union would be a brother of his own mother, i.e. the son of his own sister; a stepson of his own grandmother; possibly a brother of his won uncle; and certainly a grandson of his own father.” The third reason is that without an incest taboo, sexual rivalry among family members would disrupt the normal roles and attitudes of the various relatives. the father, for example, might experience role conflict as both the disciplinarian and the lover of his daughter; the mother might be jealous of both; and the child, of course, would be caught in the middle. Faced with constant conflict and tension, the family institution might simply disintegrate. The incest taboo has developed over time because it is vital to the survival of the family and thus of society itself. Of course, neither traditional nor modern societies consciously appreciate the reasons for the taboo. They and we simply accept it as natural and moral.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 3:14 pm
THE City of Port Phillip knocked back a $500,000 sponsorship deal that would have guaranteed the future of the St Kilda Festival in 2013 because the proposed sponsor was perceived to be at odds with its sustainable transport policy.

I’m sure a horse and buggy company will step in to fill the void.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 3:16 pm
Is Yobbo is as libertarian as Jarrah?

LOL

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 3:16 pm
So is that the end of it for now? Does this mean the same sex activists will shut the fuck up?

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 3:17 pm
Toke, Turnbull voted no.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 3:18 pm
Cory Bernardi has set man-beagle love back years.

H B Bear

19 Sep 12 at 3:18 pm
Greeno pinko lezzo poofo festival would rather die than drive a Jeep:

We should encourage them in their efforts.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 3:19 pm
No, Gab. Adam Ant and the world’s worst intelligence analyst have another private members’ bill in the works.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 3:20 pm
lol Mr Sidebottom voted ‘yes’.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 3:21 pm
I need to be here at the Cat more often.

Yes, yes you do. And what’s with you toning down the abuse? What’s wrong with you these days? RUOK?

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 3:23 pm
Toke, Turnbull voted no.

‘sactly. Can’t wait to “explore” the meaning of that next time we hear the Turnbull is the beloved for the Lefties.

As the man has one of the largest proportions of people effectived by the marriage “equality” in his electorate than most in parliament, I am sure he would understand the subtleties of this matter better than the armchair experts.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 3:31 pm
And what’s with you toning down the abuse? What’s wrong with you these days? RUOK?

We should have read the signs…

Nanuestalker

19 Sep 12 at 3:33 pm
And what’s with you toning down the abuse?

Really, you think I’ve toned it down? I’m shocked and chagrined. I;ve been trying to tone it up rather than down.

I’ve been around less these days as I’ve really freaking busy with trades etc. I’ll be back when I quieten down.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 3:34 pm
FME. Is anyone else watching this crap in Question Time?

Albo-sleazy just spat on everyone. Wayne Swan was being addressed but made sure to keep his distance and not make eye contact with the spittle flecked, buck toothed, apoplectic Member for Grayndler.

.

19 Sep 12 at 3:35 pm
Toke, Turnbull voted no.

He wasn’t free to vote against as a member of shadow cabinet.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 3:36 pm
He wasn’t free to vote against as a member of shadow cabinet.

It’s because Abbott keeps election promises even when they in opposition.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 3:40 pm
“No fault divorce was the start of the slippery slope.”

Clearly straight marriage was the start of the slippery slope.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 3:41 pm
“Note that Jarrah is assuming that incestuous marriages would be between brother and sister.”

I referred to the taboo against incest, not incestuous marriages. Oops. Though I can see why you made the mistake of thinking that. In your mind, children only come from marriage, therefore any comment about offspring from incest is also a comment about marriage.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 3:47 pm
Re: the slippery slope argument.

It seems to depend on where you are on the slope. I can imagine some polygamy folk, when confronted with the slippery slope argument saying that OF COURSE they aren’t arguing for SSM – that’s just silly. And so on.

No fault divorce was the start of the slippery slope. What kind of contract/covenant is it that allows one party to break it whenever it suits them?

If marriage was left as private law then some could choose canon law where the rules would be more strict.

By making the rules for everyone the same, the government juts brought down commitment and discipline to the lowest common denominator.

The Government encouraged AND subsidised marriage breakdowns since then.

What is so different about marriage than regulating friendships?

Marriage might be an institution with societal benefits but it makes as much sense as legislating what to do with a friend who is a persistent bullshit artist or when you can cut people off and treat them as strangers.

Contract and common law was operative on common law marriages before we were all given the same cookie cutter deal.

That’s what most private relations are governed by – except in the most part there are no laws necessary.

If child protection or social welfare laws (or even marriage registration) are necessary, there is no necessity to bundle them with marriage – or other relationships as law.

.

19 Sep 12 at 3:47 pm
I see some reports today suggesting Jesus had a wife.

Da Bunyip has a thread on this and other things.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

19 Sep 12 at 3:49 pm
I think we should do to marriage what we have done to firearms.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 3:55 pm
I see some reports today suggesting Jesus had a wife.

And a Trans-Am and a beach house.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 3:56 pm
Joe Hildebrand notes his encounters with Blankets and Media Watch and in particular how one of his stories was ripped off by the program.

My love affair with Media Watch began in 2007 when a “researcher” called asking for a contact number for a family in a story I’d written. The yarn rapped Fairfax over the knuckles for running ads that praised a cult leader accused of child sex abuse. I happily handed over the number only to discover that when Media Watch ran the story it did so as though it had discovered the outrage itself and did not credit the Telegraph article that prompted it, let alone the paper’s assistance.

I wrote to them saying I thought this deeply unfair and they responded with words to the effect that it was not their job to report on the media every time it got things right.

There are more examples from Hildebrand who notes Media Watch got vicious when called on for being duplicitous.

Plenty more great stories in the article. I think the summary explains the difference/danger of the ABC to the private news agencies it competes against:

…All over the country ever-shrinking newsrooms struggle to keep up with the 24-hour media cycle and the ever-increasing demands of media’s brave new world. Journalists are working harder than ever to hold on to their jobs and keep news and information flowing to a hungry public.

Media Watch, meanwhile, has a dedicated staff of 11 people whose sole job it is to hang shit on them for 15 minutes a week. You’d think they could at least do a better job of it than that.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 3:58 pm
“I see some reports today suggesting Jesus had a wife.”

It’s possible. At least it’s more likely than him having superpowers.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 4:05 pm
“I see some reports today suggesting Jesus had a wife.”

I’m pretty sure Pope JP2 put Michael Baigent on the proscription list for the Holy blood and the holy grail

Pedro

19 Sep 12 at 4:05 pm
Behead all those who insult Jesus.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 4:08 pm
Jarrah:
I don’t care if you don’t recognise SSM. But I do care that you want to legally prevent SSM.

You and they want public recognition for SSM, Jarrah; that is what the law provides. And above you’re saying that you have a problem with my engaging in a debate in which the legal recognition of SSM is in dispute. So you do care about my public reasons for disputing the public recognition of SSM. SSM advocates need to make the case for the public recognition of SSR as marriage.

Pedro:
The problem for conservatives in this case is that the good arguments simply aren’t there. You’re only left with bigotry or simple fear of change.

This goes to the failure to adequately respond to CL’s challenge re the poor beagle. If marriage is whatever convention dictates, then there is nothing stopping a marriage between a man and his beagle, or between two brothers, and the like, apart from some reference to the convention of the day. BTW, there is a great article written from a Rawlsian (i.e. non-conservative) perspective against SSM which simply states that there are no legitimate public reasons for recognising SSM.

Nanu/ Abu:
Remove the attack on the definition of marraige and concentrate on defining other unions between consenting adults for the purposes of obtaining legal recognition and the number of those objecting will reduce dramatically.

I agree, but the problem for this suggestion from the point of view of SSM advocates is that it does not deal with bio-normativity, hetero-normativity, and so on. SSM is part of the long game of radically restructuring society.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 4:08 pm
So the SSM vote has been done and comprehensively defeated.

Can we please move on now? Not just this thread, but the whole freaking country?

There are much bigger problems afoot than the use of a word to describe living arrangements.

brc

19 Sep 12 at 4:08 pm
“I see some reports today suggesting Jesus had a wife.”

What, are we doing a book review for The Davinci Code now?

brc

19 Sep 12 at 4:09 pm
We won.

Indeed. I think this will deserve a glass of port, or two, when I get home.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 4:09 pm
Just 42 MPs supported the private members bill put forward by Labor backbencher Stephen Jones, while 98 MPs voted against.

Wow. Maybe three glasses.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 4:11 pm
It will happen in Tasmania won’t it?

.

19 Sep 12 at 4:12 pm
Incest, dot?

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 4:15 pm
How would they know Jesus had a wife, they discover a copy of the marriage certificate? Maybe the same people that deny his historical existence.

Either way, why does it matter. None of the Gospels said he was not the marrying kind, or a celibate like priests are supposed to be. In fact, some Catholic traditionalists have hinted that Mary Magdalen may have been a wife of sorts.

Jannie

19 Sep 12 at 4:17 pm
It’s possible. At least it’s more likely than him having superpowers.

God doesn’t have superpowers or Jesus isn’t God according to the gospel of Jarrah.

It matters not which.

Really facile point-score apropos of nothing in pursuit of nothing other than Jarrah – no advertisement for intelligence – is an atheist who thinks it’s just dandy to insult the intelligence of people who do believe in the divinity of Jesus.

As long as atheists remain as thick as Jarrah and Yobbo the future of the Christianity is safe

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 4:17 pm
I see the war room is open,please keep it tidy folks and remember the blood rule

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 4:27 pm
Seriously, I dont understand why Gay people cant have a form of civil union protecting their property and legal rights, and just leave the old convention of ‘marriage’ to the people who invented it and owned it for the past 12000 years.

Jannie

19 Sep 12 at 4:29 pm
KavkazCenter.com reports that Russia is taking steps to ban the Koran and deport Sharia supporters. Let’s see if that’ll bring out people who are willing to go and burn Russian embassies in the North African and other Muslim countries.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 4:30 pm
“I see some reports today suggesting Jesus had a wife.”

The left missed an opportunity to claim he had a husband.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 4:31 pm
That already happens there, DB. We must be culturally sensitive.

.

19 Sep 12 at 4:31 pm
“You and they want public recognition for SSM, Jarrah; that is what the law provides.”

No, I want the deregulation of marriage. And you’re confusing societal recognition with legal recognition – the law only provides the latter.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 4:32 pm
The left missed an opportunity to claim he had a husband.

His husband was a transgendered roman auxillary from Persepolis, he had his tackle cut off in a skirmish with some Roman soldiers near a bathouse. The Essenes were just really, really into biodynamics and simple living.

I could get a gig on the Dumb at this rate.

.

19 Sep 12 at 4:35 pm
“Jarrah – no advertisement for intelligence – is an atheist who thinks it’s just dandy to insult the intelligence of people who do believe in the divinity of Jesus.”

Don’t be silly. Intelligence is entirely uncorrelated with religious belief. It’s not unintelligent to believe Jesus was magic, just irrational.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 4:35 pm
I’m perusing that list of yes and no votes for same sex marriage, but I can’t find Andrew Leigh. Was he on a sicky or something?

Keith

19 Sep 12 at 4:36 pm
No, I want the deregulation of marriage. And you’re confusing societal recognition with legal recognition – the law only provides the latter

It’s at least an intellectually defensible position but 95% + of the population disagrees with you.

You’d have a job on your hand to convince 10% let alone a majority

Moreover the resistance would be huge by those who see the institution of marriage as central to societal welfare.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 4:37 pm
Don’t be silly. Intelligence is entirely uncorrelated with religious belief.

Don’t be silly, Jarrah. I didn’t say it was.

Give the strawmen a rest.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 4:38 pm
Seriously, I dont understand why Gay people cant have a form of civil union protecting their property and legal rights, and just leave the old convention of ‘marriage’ to the people who invented it and owned it for the past 12000 years.

It is be-wildering, isn’t it?

The fact is no concession, no acknowledge, no legal status can fill the yawning emotional hole in the Lefty soul.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 4:38 pm
Seriously, I dont understand why Gay people cant have a form of civil union protecting their property and legal rights, and just leave the old convention of ‘marriage’ to the people who invented it and owned it for the past 12000 years.

What would be the problem if they called it marriage? It’s just a word.

The fact of the matter is if the Government gets out of marriage – gay marriages would happen.

You care so much about a word? This has shades of the ‘honour of the prophet’ nonsense. Didn’t your communist teachers ever make you read the bitter butter battle as a small, vulnerable child?

.

19 Sep 12 at 4:39 pm
“Note that Jarrah is assuming that incestuous marriages would be between brother and sister.”

Guess he’s Tasmanian. isn’t that normal there?

Mk50 of Brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 4:40 pm
I’m perusing that list of yes and no votes for same sex marriage, but I can’t find Andrew Leigh. Was he on a sicky or something?

I would think his sympathies would be with it but as a potential future PM, he’d be wise to avoid the record.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 4:41 pm
Moreover the resistance would be huge by those who see the institution of marriage as central to societal welfare.

It never needed Governmental interference to work besides administration and adjudication of the court system, when asked for by one or more parties.

Government isn’t society!

.

19 Sep 12 at 4:42 pm
“95% + of the population disagrees with you”

On whether to deregulate marriage? Possibly, but no-one’s ever asked them in a poll, so possibly not.

“I didn’t say it was.”

You claimed I was insulting the intelligence of those who believe Jesus was magic. I simply clarified that I wasn’t, because I don’t think religious belief has anything to do with brains.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 4:44 pm
I would think his sympathies would be with it but as a potential future PM, he’d be wise to avoid the record.

He is the member for Fraser. I think that explains more.

.

19 Sep 12 at 4:44 pm
No, I want the deregulation of marriage.

If that is what you want why are you supporting the extension of marriage through Marriage Act so that it includes SSM? That would be like extending tariff protection to a presently unprotected industry and saying you support the removal of tariffs.

And you’re confusing societal recognition with legal recognition – the law only provides the latter.

No, there is no confusion. To recognise X as a matter of law is to recognise X publicly/ societally. You seem to be confusing the public/ societal recognition of X with private beliefs people might have about X. I’m not concerned with the latter.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 4:45 pm
Quite right Jarrah. There are no athiests in foxholes, thus proving JC’s wager!

.

19 Sep 12 at 4:46 pm
If biblical scholars were not preoccupied with drawing grand conjecture from small bits of papyrus they might make careers in the law or at the ATO, where interpretations of the abstract and arcane cause normal people much expense and grief.

lol, Bunyip. The Tax Office is full of theologians and those common folk with something to protect have to gather many stones to throw at these Goliaths.

I have been all day avoiding doing anything at all about gathering up the info for da Ape’s accountants to get busy on his tax return. Said I would, but whenever I think of it, I’d prefer to watch paint dry in a blackened cell. Must start. Must start. He’ll be home in two hours and this will be the third day running I’ve skived off.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

19 Sep 12 at 4:47 pm
DD is quite right it’s just a bit of paper now. The concept has been devalued.
I keep proposing to The Child Bride, then she says I sober up and forget.
Tab “A” fits Slot “B”. End of story.

Bob Sewell

19 Sep 12 at 4:48 pm
Andy was hiding underneath his desk. He stuck his hand up but the vote counter didn’t see it.

Other than Shane Wand, Lying Slapper, Shortened, Clark Combet Kent, Fatty Roxon, Plibersek, Lurch, the little turd, Bento Conroy, the acting speaker and the rest of the front bench, Andy is just as worthless and slimy.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 4:48 pm
“What would be the problem if they called it marriage? It’s just a word.

The fact of the matter is if the Government gets out of marriage – gay marriages would happen.

You care so much about a word? This has shades of the ‘honour of the prophet’ nonsense. Didn’t your communist teachers ever make you read the bitter butter battle as a small, vulnerable child?”

What?

I am not sufficiently educated to understand a word of that.

Jannie

19 Sep 12 at 4:49 pm
It’s not unintelligent to believe Jesus was magic, just irrational.

No, no. Surely the only thing you can say here was that it was very improbable. Not that it is irrational; that would be to engage in metaphysics, and thus, another order of argument to the one you can make.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 4:51 pm
The Bunyip has a new post up.
Interesting photo beneath the caption, “Legs closed for once”.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

19 Sep 12 at 4:54 pm
From the linked post,

HAVING crossed the floor this afternoon to defend the sanctity of traditional marriage, Julia Gillard shoots the breeze on the opposition benches with Craig Emerson, who ran from wife and children to warm the sheets once stained by Bruce Wilson.

More Gold!
My how I have missed the Prof’s missives.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

19 Sep 12 at 4:56 pm
“Legs closed for once”.

ahahaha!

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 4:56 pm
test

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 4:58 pm
As a change of pace from Jesus’s bridal registry, sodomy, glitter and the gold standard, can I implore people to watch Boss. Easily the best show on TV that doesn’t involve a ball and an umpire.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 5:00 pm
You claimed I was insulting the intelligence of those who believe Jesus was magic.

Correct.

And with “magic” now and ‘superpowers’ earlier, it’s perfectly clear you were and are being disrespectful of Christians’ intelligence.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 5:02 pm
It never needed Governmental interference to work besides administration and adjudication of the court system, when asked for by one or more parties.
Government isn’t society!

Brilliant dot. Not.

I didn’t and wouldn’t say gubbernment was society.

If marriage is whatever different groups or individuals in society want it to be then it is not a societal institution.

Do try and grow up.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 5:06 pm
I’ve been watching it, IT. Season 2 not as good as season 1 – far too much of the mayoral introspection, however still worth watching for the Chicago “politics”.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 5:06 pm
I have been all day avoiding doing anything at all about gathering up the info for da Ape’s accountants to get busy on his tax return.

So no chance of him engaging in that heroic activity himself, I take it Lizzy?

P.S. Thanks for the kind thoughts this morning. I had lunch today with a cool bird I used to work with and am now in a more chipper mood, further helped by the news about the same sex marriage shenanigans…

Rabz

19 Sep 12 at 5:10 pm
So the SSM vote has been done and comprehensively defeated.

Can we please move on now? Not just this thread, but the whole freaking country?

There are much bigger problems afoot than the use of a word to describe living arrangements.

Please. I hate yelling above the crowd.

brc

19 Sep 12 at 5:11 pm
I’ve been watching it, IT. Season 2 not as good as season 1

Bugger.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 5:12 pm
So did Bernadi “link” SSM to bestiality or just make a slippery slope argument?

.

19 Sep 12 at 5:13 pm
If marriage is whatever different groups or individuals in society want it to be then it is not a societal institution.

WTF?

“Govenrment isn’t society”

‘I never said that’

Snap. You just did.

.

19 Sep 12 at 5:14 pm
“No, no. Surely the only thing you can say here was that it was very improbable. Not that it is irrational.”

Is it not irrational to believe the very improbable to be factual. Where is the reason in that?

Pedro

19 Sep 12 at 5:19 pm
I guess my (unanswered) questions are now moot.

The gay ‘marriage’ debate is over.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 5:22 pm
In case you missed the biggest story of the day…

Standard and Poor’s: Wayne Swan lying about the budget.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 5:32 pm
Damn fine photo of Abbott in that ABC (spit) article.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 5:34 pm
“If that is what you want why are you supporting the extension of marriage through Marriage Act so that it includes SSM?”

Who said I was?

“To recognise X as a matter of law is to recognise X publicly/ societally.”

It is a form of public recognition, I guess, but only one form. It’s a lagging indicator, usually.

“Surely the only thing you can say here was that it was very improbable.”

So improbable that it would be irrational to believe it.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 5:39 pm
“Correct.”

So now you reverse your earlier position that I was indulging in strawman arguments. Thanks, I guess.

“And with “magic” now and ‘superpowers’ earlier, it’s perfectly clear you were and are being disrespectful of Christians’ intelligence.”

No, I was being disrespectful of their beliefs. Do try to keep up.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 5:41 pm
Snap. You just did.

No I didn’t you moron.

You are quite incapable of behaving rationally to defend yourself dot.

It’s a huge weakness.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 5:41 pm
So now you reverse your earlier position that I was indulging in strawman arguments. Thanks, I guess.

No. No I wasn’t you utterly deceitful fuckwit

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 5:43 pm
It’s about prevention of the sexual abuse of children and the ensuing destruction of family as the pedagogic unit of society.

LOL. Plenty of opportunities for sexual abuse in days of yore whether it was incest or not.

Remember, it used to be incestuous to sleep with your brother’s wife. Henry VIII even got his marriage annulled on the basis that his wife was widow to his dead brother.

JamesK, you have to get away from the idea that religious strictures were put in place to protect children. As Jarrah says, it was all about protection of the group over the individual.

Quentin George

19 Sep 12 at 5:43 pm
In case you missed the biggest story of the day…

Standard and Poor’s: Wayne Swan lying about the budget.

Now we’re getting back to serious business.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 5:43 pm
Now we’re getting back to serious business.

and real issues of importance.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 5:45 pm
No, I was being disrespectful of their beliefs. Do try to keep up

No.

No you weren’t being merely disrespectful of their beliefs.

You said: “It’s possible (that Jesus was married) . At least it’s more likely than him having superpowers”

That is disrespectful of Christians you deceitful fucktard.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 5:47 pm
Feel good story of the day according to Jamie’s blog.

Fucking moron Pakistani, chokes himself dead from the fumes burning an American Flag.

Wait until they find about about the Jewish conspiracy to lace American flags with noxious chemicals. I’m just making that up before they do.

Around 10,000 people participated in the main rally organised on The Mall by the Tehreek Hurmat-i-Rasool. The participants marched from Nila Gumbad to Masjid-i-Shuhada on The Mall. Despite a ban on rallies on The Mall, the road remained blocked for vehicular traffic from noon to 6 pm. …

One of the participants of the rally, Abdullah Ismail, passed away after he was taken to Mayo Hospital. Witnesses said he had complained of feeling unwell from the smoke from US flags burnt at the rally.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 5:48 pm
If Goose thinks he will deliver a surplus in the face of a $20 billion slump in export earnings, and he’s adamant about not cutting PS numbers, that leaves only big ticket items to cut. Since NBN has never been in the Budget, that leaves infrastructure projects and Defence equipment.

Keith

19 Sep 12 at 5:49 pm
it was all about protection of the group over the individual.

You are a moron Quentin.

Moreover you’ve not even attempted to make an argument.

Lastly you tiresome git, the incest taboo is present in many different societies throughout the world and may or may not be religion associated.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 5:50 pm
That’s the sort of shit Homer would do if he a paki and attended an American flag burning ceremony. He’d find a way to kill himself.

Which reminds me, when was the last time anyone saw Kero boy as I’m worried about him for obvious reasons.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 5:50 pm
I trust you can all see now how it is safe for me, as a social conservative, to vote for Julia Gillard. (Even though I wish she would get married as an example to the nation.)

Other examples to the nation needed: Gina and Clive to have their own reality TV weight loss program, relying simply on modest eating and exercise in the form of doing advertising flyer deliveries in suburban letterboxes;

Clive to invite every sick kid and their parents within 100 km to have a free weekend at his Coolum Resort;

JC and other Catallaxy commenters to put $1 in the swear tin to donate to St Vincent de Paul every month.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 5:51 pm
One of the world’s major ratings agencies, Standard & Poor’s, believes Australia will record a budget deficit of $20-25 billion this year.

Call the election now Jools. It’s your only freaking hope.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 5:52 pm
That is disrespectful of Christians you deceitful fucktard.

Well of course it is but we all know this by now. Really it’s nothing new.

What would be new is a lefty showing disrespect to Muslims over their beliefs.

Behead all those who insult Christians.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 5:53 pm
I think it’s looking like a 2.5% increase in GST would be enough.

You’d hardly notice it.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 5:57 pm
Behead all those who insult Christians.

Now that would really be fun, especially in Australia. We’d really cull the population down to a “suzztainable” size.

We’d need to be classy about it and not primitive such using swords. Lets used a digitized guillotine.

Harry would certainly get his suzztainable congestion idea through without a tax. He’d be one of the first ones on the flight deck I would imagine.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 5:58 pm
I think it’s looking like a 2.5% increase in GST would be enough.

Great idea stepford. Great great idea. I hope wand follows your advice.

I’ve reduced GST charges these days as we’re buying a great deal of shit online now.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 6:00 pm
digitized guillotine. aka lightsaber.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 6:00 pm
JC, they need to put warning tags on the flags. “Burn only in a well ventilated area otherwise serious injury or death may occur.” It’s the American way.

Dangph

19 Sep 12 at 6:00 pm
Watching Swan get overtaken by his fiscal lies is going to be fun. It’ll be like watching the skinny wiggler trying to catch a medicine ball thrown by Mr T.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 6:00 pm
Watching Swan get overtaken by his fiscal lies is going to be fun.

Honestly, I want a $30 billion deficit just to see the little prick jerk his abysmal little body around from side to side like he always does when he’s lying.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 6:06 pm
A certain C Thomsom MP, member for ~~Brothels~~ Embattled, voted yes.

Poetic, or something.

Where was Slippery Pete?

Bruce

19 Sep 12 at 6:13 pm
I’ve reduced GST charges these days as we’re buying a great deal of shit online now.

I hope you’re not one of the disgraceful ones who goes to a shop to try a pair of shoes or pants, then goes on line to pay for it from overseas.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 6:13 pm
You’re getting too obvious, Steve.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 6:18 pm
You care so much about a word?

Reductionist much? Marriage is not just a word. It is a lived experience with thousands of years of lived experience having gone before. Traditional marriage expresses the accumulated wisdom of the tribe based on that lived experience. It is a foundational pillar of our social order. Next qustion?

Viva

19 Sep 12 at 6:19 pm
I hope you’re not one of the disgraceful ones who goes to a shop to try a pair of shoes or pants, then goes on line to pay for it from overseas.

No, but my wife was embarrassed as all hell. We had our loud mouth daughter home for her summer break. They were in a store eyeing something off and my kid tells wifey she’ll check her websites to see how much cheaper she can buy the item online… in front of the salesgal. Her mouth thinks by itself.

No doofus, I don’t do that shit, but so what if I did? You think it’s not right to compare prices then? I ought to buy from the highest priced?

Shut up.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 6:21 pm
Where was Slippery Pete?

Slippery Pete is still on the naughty spot. And full pay.

H B Bear

19 Sep 12 at 6:22 pm
Oakeshott or Swan, who is dumber?

Windsor or Rudd, who is the sourest old lezzo?

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 6:28 pm
any government that increases the GST will be out on its ear, that’s blindingly obvious.

also
i also feel Jarrah is being disprectfl of Christians, making fun of us, and it’s hurtful but that’s free speech, isn’t it? to be able to put Christians down if you feel so inclined, it’s not illegal.

candy

19 Sep 12 at 6:30 pm
There you are candy.

Do you like possums? I have a nice photo of mother and child possum from yesterday morning.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 6:34 pm
” child possum from yesterday morning.”

The baby possum is just gorgeous, and holding onto mum like that. That’s a really good photo, Steve.

candy

19 Sep 12 at 6:38 pm
Oakeshott or Swan, who is dumber?

has to be Swan. He’s already in front by a DC nomination of note.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 6:42 pm
Cool photo Steve. Regrettably the local kids scared away my family of ringtails. They’d built a nest in a bush right next to my front door couple years ago. Literally 1 m away at waist level. Not too sharp in the intellect stakes but totally gorgeous.

Bruce

19 Sep 12 at 6:44 pm
There is another Australian Graeme Bird who is active on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wclmRlEAQZw

jtfsoon

19 Sep 12 at 6:48 pm
Our Graeme would write better lyrics Jason

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 6:50 pm
Even paleo-cons can talk a lot of sense occasionally.

Some great riffs from Pat Roberson in this interview on Fox: “Barack Obama Is A Drug Dealer Of Welfare”

“Barack Obama, in my judgment, is a Fabian socialist, and by that I mean he’s not Bernie Sanders who is out in the open and honest about it, but he’s a Fabian socialist who wants to move through gradualism and reform step by step until a majority of Americans are dependent upon government. When that happens the party of government wins every election.”

“One in every five people are on food stamps.”

“This is just it. The whole idea, we used to have FDR talking about relief being a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit. We have to get off this welfare is what he said.”

“And in that sense, if it’s a narcotic, Barack Obama is a drug dealer of welfare”

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 7:05 pm
All possums should be eradicated. They are disgusting creatures. One walks around on our roof in the middle of the night and wakes us up.

I’ve got a good mind to throw rat poison up there.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 7:06 pm
I agree wholeheartedly, JC.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 7:10 pm
That’s a really good photo, Steve.

Do you have any of your washing line or ironing board?

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 7:13 pm
We can’t of course touch them, Gab because they’re the original owners.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 7:14 pm
If Goose thinks he will deliver a surplus in the face of a $20 billion slump in export earnings, and he’s adamant about not cutting PS numbers, that leaves only big ticket items to cut.

Look at all the election promises being made that can’t be fulfilled, that slander about Abbott is going to last, I was old enough to see what Labor has done over the years just before they hit an economic cliff they chose to steer into…

…they go to elections. If they don’t they are mad as the economic # are getting worse not better.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 7:16 pm
Now this is fucking interesting. I picked it up from Yahoo finance. Normally online polls are colored by the political slant of the site, but I can’t really see if there is any such thing at yahoo’s finance site.

Do Governor Romney’s remarks at a recent fundraiser regarding 47% of Americans being dependent on government make you more or less likely to support his candidacy?
Oops you have already voted on the poll

More likely (57727)
47%
Less likely (35901)
29%
Will have no impact (29025)
24%

This helps Romney.
Of course there would be few moochers reading the site, but if anything it’s strengthened Romster’s position with people he wants to vote for him.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 7:21 pm
Just look at the Romster go will you. You go boy.

ROMNEY: ‘PALESTINIANS HAVE NO INTEREST IN PEACE’…

JC

19 Sep 12 at 7:24 pm
“Do you have any of your washing line or ironing board?”

well, yes, IT, but i’m sure you don’t want to see pictures of my frivolous pink underwear on the washing line!(even if they have a black lace trim).

candy

19 Sep 12 at 7:24 pm
Gosh Candy, you have a rather exotic knickers drawer! I was actually referring to Steve in my question but I imagine his answer would have been exactly the same.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 7:29 pm
well, yes, IT, but i’m sure you don’t want to see pictures of my frivolous pink underwear on the washing line!(even if they have a black lace trim).

Sounds okayish. Put up a pic and let us be the judge. Stop the teasing. Not just a pic of the underwear, but you wearing it of course.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 7:31 pm
Yes, standing up to the Dark Age zealots in the Middle East who Obama doesn’t believe is an ally seems like a smart move…

Egypt is looking more like post-1979 Iran every day.

Cairo has issued international arrest warrants for eight Americans—seven of them Coptic Christians from Egypt—who are allegedly involved with the anti-Mohammad video everyone’s rioting over. The prosecutor’s office also issued a warrant for Terry Jones, the Koran-burning nutjob in Florida, just because, and says if convicted the defendants may get the death penalty.

Mahmoud Salem (aka “Sandmonkey”) was interviewed on CNN yesterday. He says the new Muslim Brotherhood government is much more oppressive than the Mubarak regime. That should have been obvious to everyone in advance, though astonishingly it was not. And Mahmoud is hardly a Mubarak apologist. He was one of the most outspoken critics of the ancien régime in the world, and he was arrested and beaten for it.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 7:33 pm
What a slap in the face for the Kenyan.

Putin on Romney: At Least He’s Direct…

Nobody, not even your adversaries like a wimp. Stepford, SteveC… take note.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 7:33 pm
Why doesn’t Santelli have his own show?

Token

19 Sep 12 at 7:37 pm
That Standard & Poor ABC article seems to have gone walkabout. Anyone got another link?

big dumb fu

19 Sep 12 at 7:39 pm
Oh dear, JC is trying to convince himself again that R-Money is going to win. This will end poorly, as usual.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 7:39 pm
ah febro slithers in. We’ve noticed you cut and paste lots of sentences and try to pass them off as your own. Too bad you’ve been caught out.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 7:40 pm
I agree with Bruce. Possums are gorgeous wild animals. Well of course that is a tautology.

What is , you agreeing with Bruce, because the other stupid sentence isn’t tautological you oaf, Phil.

These are all wild animals but one are beautiful. Get back inside the mental asylum as you’re not supposed to be out at night.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 7:42 pm
Oh dear, JC is trying to convince himself again that R-Money is going to win. This will end poorly, as usual.

Fat boy, it’s too close to call I think at this stage, but if you thought those remarks were going to hurt him, you need to get off the reefer.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 7:43 pm
Stick to possum photos SfB. It’s the only thing you’ve done that is valuable in any way.
Apart from that you’re a pathetic attention whore who really should wake up to your own inadequacies and try to salvage something of a life patently wasted, and on show nationally as such, all day every day.

blogstrop

19 Sep 12 at 7:44 pm
All possums should be eradicated. They are disgusting creatures.

There good fun to shoot with a .22; you’ve just gotta be careful of nosy neighbours JC.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 7:44 pm
Here, Fu.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 7:45 pm
I’ve got a good mind to throw rat poison up there.

Tried this recently somewhere else, haven’t been back yet to inspect the results.

Trick told to me was to mix it up with birdseed. Apparently the overgrown rats just love birdseed. Mind you, need to make sure no birds are going to find it.

brc

19 Sep 12 at 7:45 pm
Behead all those who insult Christians.

Don’t be silly. Leave that crap to the Muzzies.

Crucify them instead.

boy on a bike

19 Sep 12 at 7:45 pm
The photos are shit. Who cares?

Put some frilly undies on for your husband StevieLiar QC, he has needs. Then go and finish the washing up.

Tiny Dancer

19 Sep 12 at 7:45 pm
The PJMedia site seems to attract it’s share of what look like automated leftist troll bots in the comments section, they’re usually obvious as they post under embarrassingly gay screen names like “Mike” and “Chuck” and “Bob”.

I present to you the most magnificent Autogenerated Concern Troll I’ve ever seen, regarding Romney:

“Mike”

I am as conservative as anybody but at what point do we finally admit that hey, maybe this is not the guy to represent our party. What he’s done since the London olympics has been nothing short of embarrassing for this party and I, for one, feel this embarrassment. Wanting Barack Hussein Obama out of the office is one thing but to have this complete fool take over the office would leave us with the next 4 years of total regret and embarrassment. I don’t even want to imagine what it would be like with this complete idiot in the office. I don’t even want to imagine the kind of idiocies that he would commit on behave of this party if he would be in office.

Now that is a Hi Alanist Concern Troll, the resident concern troll here should be ashamed of himself.

twostix

19 Sep 12 at 7:47 pm
Fox News: Justice Dept. thinks its collaboration with Media Matters ‘not a big deal

The Department of Justice continues to ignore requests for comment in response to the revelation its Office of Public Affairs director Tracy Schmaler has coordinated with left-wing advocacy group Media Matters for America, and is sending signals to at least one media organization that the cabinet agency doesn’t believe the collaboration has great significance.

“We have reached out to the Justice Department for some comment on this,” Fox News Channel anchor Jon Scott said on the air Tuesday morning. “Officially, they are not commenting about it — ‘no comment’ — although they are essentially saying, off the record, that it is not a big deal.”

Emails The Daily Caller obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request and published Tuesday show Schmaler, Holder’s top press defender, and Media Matters staffers working together to attack reporters covering DOJ scandals.

Schmaler and the DOJ have ignored TheDC’s requests for comment on the matter since before the first piece was published. She has also ignored TheDC’s requests asking her to confirm that the DOJ doesn’t think her apparent partnership with Media Matters is a “big deal.”

Media Matters spokeswoman Jess Levin has also ignored requests for comment from TheDC about this story.

The disgusting nasty leftist thug Holder knows that he neither represents nor is answerable to the people

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 7:49 pm
Now that is a Hi Alanist Concern Troll, the resident concern troll here should be ashamed of himself.

Good point TwoStix, we are not going to get good quality trolls if we are kind. Spare the rod and you spoil the troll and all that.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 7:53 pm
good fun to shoot with a .22; you’ve just gotta be careful of nosy neighbours JC.

Use a foam backed pipe (plastic) it keeps the noise down, it is not a silencer but it is good for supressing the noise. We did this for feral cats as a kid.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Sep 12 at 7:53 pm
Fox News: Justice Dept. thinks its collaboration with Media Matters ‘not a big deal

Quite so.

Treat the Press as Enemy Collaborators

“So how do you feel about your new position with Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL)?” asked Media Bistro of Jonathan Allen. “Certainly excited. I’m happy to go to work for someone who inspires me and who I admire. I’m hopeful I can advance the Democratic Party’s goals and obviously, the congresswoman’s goals,” Jonathan Allen replied.

Jonathan Allen is now the Politico’s senior Washington correspondent.

Token

19 Sep 12 at 7:55 pm
Yes, But: NBC and CBS (and Cat Fucktards) Try to Undermine Romney’s Accurate Observation 47% Escape Income Tax

NBC and CBS felt compelled Tuesday night to fact check Mitt Romney’s assertion “47 percent of Americans pay no income tax” and both had to acknowledge his accuracy, but then tried to undermine Romney’s point. Noting the statistic had become “Tea Party mantra,” NBC’s Andrea Mitchell allowed “it’s true that approximately 47 percent of Americans do not pay federal income taxes, as Mitt Romney said, but,” she quickly added, “not because they are living off of the 53 percent.”

Over on CBS, Anthony Mason relayed how “Roberton Williams with the non-partisan Tax Policy Center says, to be precise, 46.4 percent of Americans pay no federal tax. But,” Mason insisted, “it’s more complicated than that.”

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 7:56 pm
US trading Blogger.He was disinterested with the election. Comes alive.

I Will Vote For This Mitt Romney

Everyone is criticizing him for these remarks. Meanwhile, he fucking nailed it.

http://ibankcoin.com/news/2012/09/18/i-will-vote-for-this-mitt-romney/

Monst, you don’t understand Americans. Non-moochers, they eat this stuff up for breakfast lunch and dinner.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 7:57 pm
Do Governor Romney’s remarks at a recent fundraiser regarding 47% of Americans being dependent on government make you more or less likely to support his candidacy?
Oops you have already voted on the poll

More likely (57727)
47%
Less likely (35901)
29%
Will have no impact (29025)
24%

It’s exactly as you say, JC. Anyone reading Yahoo Finance is more likely to be just an ordinary middle class punter who might own a small number of shares. They don’t read the New York Times. And they’re not susceptible to the story the left is trying to ram down their throat. This has been going on since Adam, JC: newspapers getting a puffed up opinion of their own importance, which just doesn’t wash in voterland. The liberal media’s use of huge D+ polling biases is designed to tell the middle class: it’s futile voting for anyone but Obama. Have faith in middle America: they’re not stupid and they’re alarmed about the huge welfare recipient numbers the Romney “gaffe” has flushed out.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 7:58 pm
The Malaysian governent has denied endorsing these guidelines on how to spot gayness and lesbianness in your children

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/13/guidelines-for-gay-and-lesbian-symptoms-malaysia-education-ministry_n_1881863.html

Symptoms of gays:

Likes having a fit body and likes to show off by wearing V-neck and sleeveless clothes;
A preference for tight and bright-colored clothes;
Attraction to men; and
A preference for carrying big handbags, similar to those used by women

Symptoms of lesbians:

Attraction to women;
Besides their female companions, they tend to distance themselves from other women;
A preference for going out, having meals etc. with women and a preference for sleeping in the company of women;
Not attracted to men

jtfsoon

19 Sep 12 at 8:03 pm
sinclair

Feebie is fucking up threads. It’s quite possibly Birdie’s fat trannie.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 8:04 pm
Truth is sure stranger than fiction.

Yours certainly is.

dd

19 Sep 12 at 8:05 pm
JC, sorry to butt in while everyone’s having fun kicking the shit out of the trolls or shooting possums, What’s this about the Chinese, Russians, and Iranians now dealing oil trades with the Renminbi?
It looks like the first shot of a trading war that may boil over to a shooting war if the US dollars all come home.

Bob Sewell

19 Sep 12 at 8:11 pm
I agree wholeheartedly, JC.

Gab hates possums like Tal hates da pandas.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 8:14 pm
In case you missed the biggest story of the day…

Standard and Poor’s: Wayne Swan lying about the budget.

When you lose these mouths for hire you’re totally incredulous and totally fucked.

Good spot C.L. I bet the little SOB still will have some university wing named after him.

.

19 Sep 12 at 8:16 pm
Pandas are at least cute. possums are just disgusting vermin.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 8:17 pm
The ABC tonight had an interview with somebody whose surname was Fudge. It would suit Wayne.

blogstrop

19 Sep 12 at 8:20 pm
Pedro:
Is it not irrational to believe the very improbable to be factual.

No, it isn’t. A is either irrational or rational; there is no sense of degree. Whereas B can either more or less probable, and thus is only a matter of degree.

Jarrah:
So improbable that it would be irrational to believe it.

No, nothing can be so improbable that would make it irrational to believe it. For instance, the idea that animate, or even intelligent, life can arise from inanimate origins is very, very improbable and yet it would not be irrational to believe it simply on the grounds of its improbability. Other ideas have to be put forward that categorically deny the possibility of animate life arising from inanimate origins to regard such a belief as irrational.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 8:22 pm
Free market suddenly gets a tick. Febro the fantastic elastic rubbery figure of fun. A mole in need of a whack.

blogstrop

19 Sep 12 at 8:23 pm
I hear Swan is very sensitive to being called boofhead.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 8:24 pm
The Economist cites with approval this explanation of the silly games Republicans play:

The reason many lower-income working Americans aren’t paying income tax these days, while they continue to pay other taxes, is largely that Republicans have repeatedly cut income taxes, and if you cut income taxes for rich and poor alike then the poor tend to fall off the scale. Mr Klein says:

[W]hen you look at graphs of the percent of Americans who don’t pay income taxes, you see huge jumps after Ronald Reagan’s 1986 tax reform and George W. Bush’s 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. So whenever you hear that half of Americans don’t pay federal income taxes, remember: Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush helped build that…

But now that those tax cuts have passed and many fewer Americans are paying federal income taxes and the rich are paying a much higher percentage of federal income taxes, Republicans are arguing that these Americans they have helped free from income taxes have become a dependent and destabilizing “taker” class who want to hike taxes on the rich in order to purchase more social services for themselves.

…So notice what happened here: Republicans have become outraged over the predictable effect of tax cuts they passed and are using that outrage as the justification for an agenda that further cuts taxes on the rich and pays for it by cutting social services for the non-rich.

Near the end of the argument (which goes into other interesting tax in America discussion) it sums up:

But the genius of the “they-don’t-pay-income-taxes” complaint is that it takes the tax cuts that were implemented in order to get poor people off of welfare and encourage them to work, and uses them to accuse poor people of being shiftless and dependent on government. This creates a sort of permanent resentment machine, a renewable fuel source for class warfare of the rich against the poor.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 8:24 pm
A preference for going out, having meals etc. with women and a preference for sleeping in the company of women;

Wow? Lesbians do that? Thanks for that tip, Government!

.

19 Sep 12 at 8:25 pm
But the genius of the “they-don’t-pay-income-taxes” complaint is that it takes the tax cuts that were implemented in order to get poor people off of welfare and encourage them to work, and uses them to accuse poor people of being shiftless and dependent on government. This creates a sort of permanent resentment machine, a renewable fuel source for class warfare of the rich against the poor.

What a load of shit. Asking people to take in less services (including ending pork barrelling and the retrenchment of some civil servants, some “services”…but anyway) because they’ve already been given a hand up on two counts (tax cuts and welfare) and because the country is busted arse is “class warfare”?

The economist is a left wing rag which supported Obama and no serious economist gets any direction from it whatsoever.

.

19 Sep 12 at 8:29 pm
I hear Swan is very sensitive to being called boofhead.

He can’t be mad about Rudd’s sobriquet: “DC.”

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 8:30 pm
Panda and possum coats are ok Lad

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 8:32 pm
Oakeshott or Swan, who is dumber?

Windsor or Rudd, who is the sourest old lezzo?

Ah, IT, these are some of the questions I ponder while sitting on my porch smoking pipe weed at dusk.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 8:33 pm
Yeah but he never sued Rudd for calling him that. He is suing Hadley over referring to him as a boofhead.

I think boofhead really suits him.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 8:33 pm
Steve Liar probably thinks Stern and Garnaut are really smart economists too.

blogstrop

19 Sep 12 at 8:33 pm
Looks like the NBN/fibre to the home will be obsolete before it’s even finished.

So how much will that be down the drain?

Bob Sewell

19 Sep 12 at 8:36 pm
Truth is sure stranger than fiction.

Only a truly demented mind could make you up, Fibro.

You are not worth my expletives, which are rare and thus valuable. Just go away. Get lost. Vamoose. Shoo. Disappear. Put your shrivelled pea-brain brain in your handbag and take it with you.

It’s useless here.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

19 Sep 12 at 8:39 pm
Is it flammable Bob?

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 8:39 pm
Febro to the home is totally worthless.

blogstrop

19 Sep 12 at 8:40 pm
Offer Febro a bottle of olive oil to go away,works every time.

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 8:42 pm
permanent resentment machine

Only if one was a retard.

Tiny Dancer

19 Sep 12 at 8:42 pm
“FRANCE will close its embassies and schools in about 20 countries on Friday because of fears of a hostile reaction to a magazine’s publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed, the foreign ministry says.

Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius earlier announced that he had ordered special security measures “in all the countries where this could pose a problem”.

Demonstrations in the Islamic world often follow Friday prayers.

Fabius admitted that he was “concerned” by the potential for a backlash to satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo’s printing of a series of cartoons featuring Prophet Mohammed against a background of violent protests in the Muslim world over an anti-Islam film.”

Sure lock up the embassies in fear but then arm the places and shoot to kill any that would enter. About time the world stopped trembling in fear and fought back. None of this namby-pamby pc apologetics. Enough.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 8:51 pm
Gab, how was the first episode of Boardwalk Empire the other day?

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 8:54 pm
Ain’t it interesting that when Obama made what I believe was the election losing gaffe of saying, in public, “you didn’t build that,” the media hardly reported it, or reported it not as a gaffe. But when Romeny says something in a private function that the left disagrees with, it’s a gaffe of record breaking proportions.

The media is full of idiots!. Do they think they we actually agree with such obvious opinion making by them?

The gaffe here is the media’s! It has shown us that it cannot be trusted to give us facts.

Rococo Liberal

19 Sep 12 at 8:58 pm
What the Economist didn’t mention (and omission itself is a form of lying) is that the US has the most progressive income tax system in the world.

Stepford , you need to explain why that rag left it out.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 8:59 pm
SELECTIVE EDIT? MOTHER JONES ADMITS ROMNEY TAPE MISSING ‘ONE TO TWO MINUTES’

Mother Jones, the left-wing magazine that released a controversial video of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s remarks to a fundraiser in May, now admits that it has no full tape of what Romney said, and that its video is missing “one to two minutes” at the most important moment.
The Legal Insurrection blog’s William Jacobson and The Blaze both raised questions on Tuesday about whether Mother Jones had, as promised, revealed the full video, given an apparent jump cut in the critical section of Romney’s remarks

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 9:00 pm
First ep of the 3rd series, Dover, was pretty good. It’s in keeping with the general theme of shock, politics, sex, etc. Still engrossing but I wouldn’t say as exciting as the first series but then they seldom are after two years.
And just when you think Nucky might turn into a good guy – blam!

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 9:03 pm
GALLUP: MAJORITY OF AMERICANS BELIEVE GOVERNMENT DOING TOO MUCH

A new Gallup poll on Monday found a majority (54%) of Americans believe the government is “trying to do too many things that should be left to individuals and businesses” while 39% of those surveyed said the government should actually do more. More than half of Americans also feel that government has too much power.
Gallup conducted its survey September 6-9, which was toward the end of the Democratic National Convention when government-centered policies and prescriptions were embraced.
Gallup also found a partisan divide on the appropriate role of government.
Eighty-two percent of Republicans felt government was doing too much while 67% of Democrats said “government should do more.”
More than a majority of Independent voters (62%), though, believed government was doing too much.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 9:03 pm
Stepford, you lying galoot. That’s not “The Economist”, as you described it. It’s one of their many blogs at the site, which in this case was written by some idiot referring to himself as MS.

The Economist , although a leftwing rag, would not quote Ezra Klein in the first sentence to support the leftwing line.

You dishonest turd stepfod.

Stop linking to Economic stuff as you have no fucking idea what it all means.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 9:05 pm
gab:

Sure lock up the embassies in fear but then arm the places and shoot to kill any that would enter. About time the world stopped trembling in fear and fought back. None of this namby-pamby pc apologetics. Enough.

Agreed. Mo was a peddo. Aisha was 6 when he married her and 9 when he shagged her. he was 53.

Peddo by Roman standards and by contemporary standards in most cultures. Not that it was any more than societally frowned on back then, especially when criticising warlords like him got your noggin lopped.

When he died he was apparently trying to marry a babe-in-arms. One can only assume a very small peddopecker on someone like that.

Mk50 of Brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 9:08 pm
How’s business Joe?

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 9:08 pm
Loving Nigella

Tiny Dancer

19 Sep 12 at 9:08 pm
Looks like the NBN/fibre to the home will be obsolete before it’s even finished.

So how much will that be down the drain?

Bob, you blithering idiot. That is wireless LAN technology between devices in your home network. It is just the sort of thing that FTTH is designed to make best use of. You’re making a pro-NBN argument, but you’re too clueless to know the difference.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 9:13 pm
Tiny, she’s gorgeous. And in those new pics reminds me of Sharleen Spiteri. Excuse me while I retrieve my eyeballs.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 9:14 pm
Gallup poll shows Obama post-convention bounce shrinking

New Gallup survey results out Tuesday show Obama leading Mitt Romney by a single percentage point.

The 47-46 point lead represents a much tighter race than just a week ago. Poll results last week showed Obama leading by 7 points, on the heels of the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, N.C.

But wait, wait, wait didn’t Romney just make a huge “gaffe” about the middle east that required wall to wall coverage in the MSM for days?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/18/gallup-poll-shows-obama-post-convention-bounce-shrinking/

twostix

19 Sep 12 at 9:15 pm
That is why your coffee goes cold Dover

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 9:17 pm
Bob, you blithering idiot. That is wireless LAN technology between devices in your home network. It is just the sort of thing that FTTH is designed to make best use of. You’re making a pro-NBN argument, but you’re too clueless to know the difference.

Oh M0nty we know you can’t wait to use the clunky unreliable government network with its mass surveillance and built in censorship.

That is of course when it arrives at your “flat” above your mums garage in twenty five years time. In the meantime the rest of us will be enjoying our zippy liberty oriented wireless.

twostix

19 Sep 12 at 9:20 pm
DB, totally with you on the Sharleen Spiteri comparison. They are both georgeous.

tbh

19 Sep 12 at 9:21 pm
If one was to buy one’s wife the complete collected works of Nigella for Christmas, how would it be received?

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 9:23 pm
Tal, very funny. IT, not well. Not at all well. As I’m in NY this Christmas it could lead to death by exposure/ misadventure.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 9:26 pm
Said wife could have fun for days drawing moustashes and beards on every pic of Nigella.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 9:27 pm
IT yeah love you do that

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 9:27 pm
,.. Or,Stevie you could just engage in some cock talk with said husband.

Tiny Dancer

19 Sep 12 at 9:29 pm
But, IT, please do that and report back to us. Push the envelope, man. You will have an honoured place amongst adventurers of olden time.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 9:30 pm
But Snoppy old son,when do you get a wife?

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 9:30 pm
If it was me, IT, I’d say it would be fine provided you made dinner each night using her recipes.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 9:33 pm
Tal, this mob of incompetents could set fire to water, so, yes.

Bob Sewell

19 Sep 12 at 9:33 pm
How’s business Joe?

I’ve had a great several weeks Tal.

In the afterlife I want it to be like this.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 9:33 pm
Chuck a set of diamond earrings in and I just may get away with it.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 9:34 pm
Very interesting interview of Charles Chaput, Archbishop of Philadelphia obviously on the last night of the DNC by the National Catholic Reporter

I heard a speech he made as Archbishop of
Denver a few years ago and he was intellectually very impressive

Just some politics snippets that are telling of a possible long hoped for distinct change in American bishops

Chaput in Philly swims against ‘nostalgia and red ink’

We’re speaking on the night Barack Obama is delivering his acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention. Let me ask flat-out: Do you believe a Catholic in good faith can vote for Obama?

I can only speak in terms of my own personal views. I certainly can’t vote for somebody who’s either pro-choice or pro-abortion.
I’m not a Republican and I’m not a Democrat. I’m registered as an independent, because I don’t think the church should be identified with one party or another. As an individual and voter I have deep personal concerns about any party that supports changing the definition of marriage, supports abortion in all circumstances, wants to restrict the traditional understanding of religious freedom. Those kinds of issues cause me a great deal of uneasiness.

What about the wing of the church that says a party that supports the Ryan budget also ought to cause concern?

Jesus tells us very clearly that if we don’t help the poor, we’re going to go to hell. Period. There’s just no doubt about it. That has to be a foundational concern of Catholics and of all Christians. But Jesus didn’t say the government has to take care of them, or that we have to pay taxes to take care of them. Those are prudential judgments. Anybody who would condemn someone because of their position on taxes is making a leap that I can’t make as a Catholic. … You can’t say that somebody’s not Christian because they want to limit taxation. Again, I’m speaking only for myself, but I think that’s a legitimate position. It may not be the correct one, but it’s certainly a legitimate Catholic position; and to say that it’s somehow intrinsically evil like abortion doesn’t make any sense at all.

That said, do you find the Ryan budget troubling?

The Ryan budget isn’t the budget I would write. I think he’s trying to deal with the same issue in the government I’m dealing with here locally, which is spending more than we bring in. I admire the courage of anyone who’s actually trying to solve the problems rather than paper over them. I think a vigorous debate about the issues, rather than the personalities, is the way through this problem. It’s immoral for us to continue to spend money we don’t have. I think that those persons who don’t want to deal with the issue are, in some ways, doing wrong by putting it off for their own political protection or the protection of their party.

Religious freedom has become the signature issue for the bishops’conference. Was the ‘Fortnight for Freedom’ a success?

It was a success in the sense that it brought this issue to greater awareness in the lives of many Catholics. In terms of really changing either the church or the national situation concretely, we have to yet to see its effects. The history of the world demonstrates that if we aren’t always on guard about religious freedom, we’ll lose it. It happens everywhere, and it could happen in the United States.
Church officials in Europe, bishops and cardinals, have told me that they’re astonished there is an actual threat to religious freedom in the United States. They’ve always seen us as embodying religious freedom more clearly than any other government or country in the history of the world. It’s also surprising to me. I would never have thought, even ten years ago, that we would be dealing with it so quickly. What opened my eyes was my service to the United States as a member of the Commission on International Religious Freedom. I saw things in Western Europe that disturbed me in terms of limitations on religious freedom, mostly for non-Christian groups such as the Muslims. I thought that if Western Europe could do this, it could happen in the United States too.

Also tonight, Cardinal Timothy Dolan is delivering a benediction at the DNC, after having done the same thing for the Republicans. In 2008, you didn’t offer a benediction for the DNC when it met in Denver. Had you been invited, would you have accepted?

I was safe from making that decision because they didn’t invite me. It would have been very hard for me to have done it without saying things about abortion and the meaning of marriage. If they would be willing to let me be myself and say something about my convictions in my prayer, then I would have prayed. If they would have restricted my freedom about what I thought should be said, I wouldn’t have accepted.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 9:35 pm
“If one was to buy one’s wife the complete collected works of Nigella for Christmas, how would it be received?

probably very well since you obviously care so much to make your wife happy.

candy

19 Sep 12 at 9:35 pm
Cheers Tom! I still get page not found. The message on the ABC site says “The page you are looking for, “http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-19/standard-and-poors-says-australia-heading-for-deficit/4269980″ cannot be found. It might have been removed, had its name changed, or be temporarily unavailable.”

Fuck it, I don’t need S&P to tell me the goose has 100% probability of delivering another deficit.

big dumb fu

19 Sep 12 at 9:39 pm
IT yeah ok but no vacuum cleaners

Thats good to hear Joe,did your mum find her jewelry?

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 9:39 pm
Yes monty, but this technology will continue to improve in terms of Wireless to the node.
That would be why I put in the fibre to the house bit, Mr Clueless.

Bob Sewell

19 Sep 12 at 9:41 pm
Bob,a question if I may ,why the name change?

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 9:41 pm
Has there ever been a bigger non-Catholic Catholic than JamesK?

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 9:42 pm
Has there ever been a bigger Catholic non-Catholic than SFB?

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 9:44 pm
Bob,a question if I may ,why the name change?

That’s like when Daddy Dave went to his real name and we all told him to go back to his moniker.

Bob, just go back to Winston Smith.

JC

19 Sep 12 at 9:44 pm
Steve what do you think about Nigella?

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 9:44 pm
Bob, just go back to Winston Smith.

Seconded. It’s weird calling you Bob now.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 9:46 pm
test

Rudiau

19 Sep 12 at 9:49 pm
I don’t know guys, although I like Winston/Bob I always picture 1984

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 9:49 pm
I just felt it was more intellectually honest – I would own the statements I made, Tal.
But I can see that it’s causing issues amongst people whose opinion I value.
So I’ll go back to Winston Smith – if you click on my avatar it will still show my correct name.

Bob Sewell

19 Sep 12 at 9:50 pm
After a few more puffs she said the drug’s leaf symbol was the “new peace sign” and that she was going to talk to Barack Obama about making marijuana legal around the world.</em

Idiot Gaga talking the tough talk in Amsterdam

Tiny Dancer

19 Sep 12 at 9:50 pm
That has to be a foundational concern of Catholics and of all Christians. But Jesus didn’t say the government has to take care of them, or that we have to pay taxes to take care of them. Those are prudential judgments. Anybody who would condemn someone because of their position on taxes is making a leap that I can’t make as a Catholic. … You can’t say that somebody’s not Christian because they want to limit taxation. Again, I’m speaking only for myself, but I think that’s a legitimate position. It may not be the correct one, but it’s certainly a legitimate Catholic position; and to say that it’s somehow intrinsically evil like abortion doesn’t make any sense at all.

Just had to put it up again.

PS

Welfare might stop people being skint for a while, but in the long it creates more poverty. The long term effects of welfare are mind blowingly appalling.

.

19 Sep 12 at 9:51 pm
James Taranto, WSJ: 47 Skidoo
Uh-oh, Romney’s lost the election again.

“What is 47?” asks the FAQ page at the website of the 47 Society. Answer: “In short, 47 appears to be the quintessential random number of the universe. In other words, when a number appears randomly, more often than not, that number is 47.”

Barack Obama was 47 when he was elected president, and Mitt Romney was born in 1947. Eerie, isn’t it?

Anyway, if you believe the mainstream media, Romney has lost the election again. That’s the third time in as many weeks, notwithstanding that the election won’t actually happen until 47 days after the day after tomorrow. Last week it was his statement criticizing the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, and we forget what it was the week before. This week’s fatal kerfuffle is all about–you guessed it–the number 47…………

Romney’s comment has been compared with Obama’s infamous 2008 remark, also at a private meeting with donors, about Pennsylvania voters who get bitter and cling to guns and religion. To our mind the difference is that those people, traditionally Democratic voters, could easily tell that Obama was referring to them. Most of the 47% will not see themselves in Romney’s description–and those who do, would probably not have considered voting for him anyway.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 9:51 pm
Nigella looking yummy. Still nice and curvy.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 9:52 pm
She’s OK, Tal, physically. I don’t care much for her TV shows, though. She’s too clearly acting a role, really, and a lot of the finger licking and groaning in pleasure at the taste of some dish or other is so obviously “sex-lite” for male viewers that it’s inadvertently funny. Her recipes also (often) have the usual deficiencies of most English cooking shows.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 9:53 pm
“That is disrespectful of Christians you deceitful fucktard.”

Of their belief that, as a historical fact, Jesus had superpowers, yes. But intelligence doesn’t even enter into it. Luckily for you, because you have none to contribute.

Jarrah

19 Sep 12 at 9:53 pm
Very odd, Fu. The ABC has put two stories down the memory hole, even though they’re still at the top in Google:

“Opposition seizes on S&P’s deficit warning”
and,
“S&P says Australia heading for $20b+ deficit”

They wouldn’t be that blatant in censoring bad news for their government … would they? The left’s government-financed gravy train is all about to fall apart.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 9:54 pm
Stepford, you lying galoot. That’s not “The Economist”, as you described it. It’s one of their many blogs at the site, which in this case was written by some idiot referring to himself as MS.

As I’ve said over and over again, always check Steve’s links.

——————————————————

Gab, Swan is suing Hadley for calling him a boofhead?

Really?

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 9:55 pm
Tal, that’s where I first picked up the nom de blog – I loved the book. I fact I have a collection of George Orwells short stories somewhere, and they are just brilliant in the ability to portray humans in horrid situations.
Always thought that WS and Julia would be ground down by the machine of Big Brother for the crime of being human.
Somehow it struck a chord.

Winston Smith

19 Sep 12 at 9:56 pm
Good to hear from you again Stevie. Did you get the Centrelink forms in this week?

Tiny Dancer

19 Sep 12 at 9:57 pm
Of their belief that, as a historical fact, Jesus had superpowers, yes. But intelligence doesn’t even enter into it. Luckily for you, because you have none to contribute.

More drivel.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 9:58 pm
Tiny Malevolent Dancer, can you keep your disturbed stalker tendencies in check when I am merely responding to a question?

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 9:59 pm
Gab, Swan is suing Hadley for calling him a boofhead?

Really?

Has Wand considered what would happen if Hadley wins?

JC

19 Sep 12 at 10:01 pm
I hate the bleakness of 1984 Winston

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 10:01 pm
Good to hear from you again Stevie. Did you get the Centrelink forms in this week?

Great question. Stepford? Did you?

JC

19 Sep 12 at 10:02 pm
Good to see Arch Chaput repeat what I’ve said here many times about the laughable (but maliciously evil) equivalency wheeled out by left-wing ‘Catholics’ whereby GOP economic ideas magically cancel out Obama’s deep-seated and years-long commitment to the murder of children.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 10:02 pm
Which chef do you like Steve?

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 10:03 pm
Hmm, yes, big deception here. It was (not that I realised at the time) from an Economist blog for correspondents who contribute to the magazine, linked to from the centre part of the Economist website, which usually links to article as appear in the magazine.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 10:03 pm
My mistake, not suing; taking him to ACMA.

DEPUTY Prime Minister Wayne Swan has taken 2GB’s Ray Hadley to the broadcasting watchdog over a tirade in which Mr Hadley accused him of being a “boofhead” and a liar.
…
Hadley said: “I don’t think he’s lying, I just think he’s a complete boofhead that didn’t know what was happening.” He also accused Mr Swan of lying before the election by saying claims there would be a carbon tax were “hysterically inaccurate”.
…
Hadley said last night: “They are trying to stifle debate in print (through proposals for media regulation), now he’s trying to hop into the electronic media. I have been doing this for nearly 20 years . . . and to my knowledge no politician has gone to ACMA or the governing body looking for a remedy.”

I still think it’s hilarious he called him a boofhead.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 10:04 pm
Any Tebow fans out there? Anyone know what the Jets are doing?

Tiny Dancer

19 Sep 12 at 10:06 pm
so w. Swan calls Tony Abbott a “thug” under protection in parliament but sues for being called a “boofhead”

candy

19 Sep 12 at 10:06 pm
Tiny Malevolent Dancer, can you keep your disturbed stalker tendencies ~~in check~~ coming when I am ~~merely responding to~~ avoiding a question?.

You’re welcome.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 10:07 pm
80 million hours needed to tackle Obamacare tax rules

A week after small businesses warned that Obamacare taxes will eat up to half of their profits, a new government report reveals that simply complying with the new tax rules in the health care act will cost American families and businesses nearly 80 million hours–essentially a whole new tax.

Based on Internal Revenue Service figures, the House Committee on Ways and Means has compiled an estimate of the total amount of hours it will take to comply with the tax rules. The bottom line: 79,229,503 hours, most of which will fall on small businesses.

For fun, the committee gave a comparative example.

“So, what can be done in 79,229,503 hours? The Empire State building, which took 7 million man-hours to build, could be constructed 11 times. The Curiosity Lander could travel from Earth to Mars 13,048 times. Halley’s comet, seen from Earth once every 76 years, could be spotted 119 times.”

The committee said that Obamacare has resulted in thousands of pages in IRS and Treasury rules including 17 regulations, 5 revenue procedures, 2 revenue rulings, and 14 Treasury decisions.

“Given the enormous impact the regulations will have on job creators, it is no wonder that a recent survey found that over 70 percent of small businesses cite the health care law as a major obstacle to job creation,” said the panel headed by Rep. David Camp.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 10:08 pm
Well, for personality, and general travelogue commentary, I really like Rick Stein, and his cooking tends to be less cream and butter heavy than usual English stuff.

In Australia, I think Poh has a lot of charm.

I don’t know who she is, but I also kind of like the woman who cooks with the daggy Aussie bloke on some Channel Ten show.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 10:09 pm
Bunyip on fire. Gillard not handing it out but hanging with scum.

Tiny Dancer

19 Sep 12 at 10:12 pm
You’re right, Gab. Dogshit has tired of talking to the wall at Obsession Confession and has become the resident homeless squatter at the Cat. Pitiful. I’d love to know exactly how much he’s into taxpayers for.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 10:18 pm
I wouldn’t call it bleak, Tal.
The Inner Party was somewhat like the Soviet Party members and had all the perks of power.
The Proles were shackled to the wheel of production and destruction, and were probably going to stay there for the rest of their lives.
But you may remember a passage in the book where the prole woman outside their rented room where they spent their dirty weekends, eternally hanging washing and nappies on the line.
Winston said “If there is any hope for man, it lays with the Proles.”
Julia replied “We are the dead.” And the police rushed in and nabbed them at a psychologically weak moment.
The long winded point I make is there is an innate reaching for freedom in the human psyche, and no police state can grind that down. The individuals – yes. The human emotional requirement for freedom – no.
(It’s been fifteen or so years since I read the book for about the 20th time, so errors may have crept in.)

Winston Smith

19 Sep 12 at 10:19 pm
Did not the Bunyip get divorced a coupla years ago?

Does he care to share the details of that, including his sex life before the divorce was granted.

Or would that be seen as being intrusive and not my business, just as the exact circumstances of Gillard’s love life has little to do with what she does too.

And how often has the Bunyip fretted about who male politicians have slept with?

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 10:20 pm
Thanks for the general travelogue commentary opinion.
Fabulous stuff. But did you get the forms in?

Tiny Dancer

19 Sep 12 at 10:22 pm
Tal, as soon as I pressed submit I just knew you would be on to me about just that.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 10:25 pm
Oh what do you know. Judith has been on The Drum re-play while I am typing.

As usual, Judith happy to turn up on the ABC as the only TV media outlet that Catallaxy/IPA types ever get exposure on, while she (and most commenters here) complain bitterly about the ABC more generally.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 10:27 pm
Did the Bunyip fuck hordes of married people, destroy marriages, wreck peoples lives, then enter politics, hold himself up as a paragon of virtue and have his friends call into question his opponent ‘s virtues?

God you are the ultimate deadshit StevieLiar QC

Tiny Dancer

19 Sep 12 at 10:28 pm
Oh dear. The vermin have infested again.

How many times do you need to hear: you are not welcome here, your opinions are tiresome, nobody likes you, indeed you irritate many people and, in your own words, you enjoy this.

You are a tiresome scumbag. Get out of here.

Lazlo

19 Sep 12 at 10:29 pm
Or would that be seen as being intrusive and not my business, just as the exact circumstances of Gillard’s love life has little to do with what she does too.

Less intrusive than putting the confused, contradictory ramblings about events 35 years past of an ALP appointed leftist luvvie on the front page for a week.

twostix

19 Sep 12 at 10:31 pm
Had you followed the Bunyips Blog, SFB, you would know he covered all that.
We’ll ask him about it again when he gets to be the PM, hmmm?

Winston Smith

19 Sep 12 at 10:31 pm
Entertaining Mark Steyn radio interview~15mins

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 10:31 pm
Tell us about the sex scandal that was going to bring Abbott down SfB.

That’s not intrusive because it’s about Abbott.

twostix

19 Sep 12 at 10:33 pm
No fault divorce was the start of the slippery slope. What kind of contract/covenant is it that allows one party to break it whenever it suits them?

Well said, Ellen. I agree wholeheartedly – it softened the foundations enough to make it easier and easier to dig under them until we get to the stage we’re at now.

Beagles.

nilk

19 Sep 12 at 10:33 pm
Can you summarise for me, Winston? Surely it would only take a couple of sentences.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 10:33 pm
Want to know how your Fed Member voted on SSM? Here you go.

nilk

19 Sep 12 at 10:34 pm
Don’t respond Winston, it only encourages them.

Do not rise to the person who says he gets off on irritating people.

Lazlo

19 Sep 12 at 10:37 pm
Winston or Bob I’m sure you’re a fine person

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 10:38 pm
Wow! I hadn’t realised Dogshit was into us for so much: $350 p.w. or $1000+ p.f. (if his husband does the usual rort and commits fraud).

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 10:39 pm
Dover I need to know the date so The Cat Gals can get frocks and order champagne this is not a big ask my boy hmmm

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 10:41 pm
Steve, now what impact does the Bunyip have on you life? Nada!Correct?

Tal

19 Sep 12 at 10:45 pm
Cats gone feral about candys uees. Excellent. about time. I approve . Post the photos.

Pickles

19 Sep 12 at 10:47 pm
No SfB. Do your own bloody work.

Winston Smith

19 Sep 12 at 10:54 pm
Help please!

I went to a suburban restaurant tonight, and overheard the people at the next table talking about how great a peter Fitzsimons article was in response to the recent Muslim riots. Allegedly, he said they should be grateful to be here or get the fuck out.
Have I entered a parallel universe? is it the twilight zone? or has the earth figuratively turned a full circle and the stopped clock that is bandana boy has finally got something right again? Or do Fairfax have a big room with a million monkeys with typewriters in it that actually write the Peter Fitzsimons columns? If the monkeys actually have to read what they write, isn’t this considered cruel? Why hasn’t joe Ludwig shut down Fairfax to set the monkeys free? (other than the obvious reason that each of the monkeys could do a better job than him, but what is he worried about its not like any of the monkeys’ dads own the labor party?)

Rob

19 Sep 12 at 10:57 pm
Hooray. Just checked in and Winston is back! Welcome back Winston. Bob Sewell just didn’t seem like my old mate even tho’ he probably hadn’t changed a bit.

If I turned out to be Hilary or Judith or something wouldn’t that be a shock? Don’t worry, Lizzie it is, ‘tho Da Ape sometimes says Kathleen Mavourneen or Katie Elizabeth, because that is my second name and it is Irish. But B is not my married lady’s initial. The Hairy one wouldn’t like me to use his initial online and I must respect that.

———-

Personally, I think Nigella is looking just a tad thin. Lost a bit of the luscious. Showed da Ape the pic for an expert male opinion. She’s good Lizzie, she’s very cute … a darlin’ … that raven-hair look is really … woof!

I AM A BLONDE. Daggers.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

19 Sep 12 at 11:00 pm
Tal – I have said it before and I will say it again – as far as I know, there has been no media reporting on whether Ms Wilson or Emerson’s ex blame their husband’s relationship with Gillard for the end of the marriage.

People whose marriages are over routinely start new relationships before divorces come through. This may, or may not, be the case with Gillard.

It is simply because people don’t like Gillard’s politics that they leap to the conclusion that she was the cause of the marriage break-ups.

I may be wrong – these ex-wives may be furious with her – then you would actually have solid grounds on which to question her character. Until then, it is speculation. In the case of the Emerson relationship at least, she has always spoken so openly about it, I get the sense there is no sense of guilt at all – and the best explanation of that may not be that she’s a bitch, but rather that she was/is very confident that her relationship with Emerson did not cause the break up of a happy marriage.

And the other point is, of course, that there is a huge double standard that people here would not be interested much at all at whether a male PM has had short or long affairs with married women. In fact, everyone probably assumed Bob Hawke had – and they didn’t care.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 11:03 pm
Gawd SFB devotes a lot of his time here rabbiting on about politicians’ sex lives. It’s a bit obsessive. What does your wife think about it?

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 11:06 pm
It’s OK Lazlo, Tal except for the last two weeks when I was a bit fragile, I do my best to ignore them.
Just a momentary weakness.
The nephew who got run over by a tray top is awake and responding to family, he recognises his baby and has a tracheotomy for his respirator which is still used occasionally. His broken femurs have been repaired as well as his hip. Most of the brain swelling has gone down and they’re talking about a Faciomaxillary surgeon consult.

Thanks to all the Cats who gave support and prayers for a good kid, from Winston and The Child Bride.

Winston Smith

19 Sep 12 at 11:07 pm
TJ is conducting the most disgraceful interviews about Romney with Frank Luntz on Lateline at the moment. And the prep story was equally disgraceful.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 11:08 pm
Winston – I know Bunyip has said his wife left him. he has alluded to drinking too much and not being an ideal husband. I don’t know if he has referred to his sex life.

But here’s my rule of thumb: if you’ve had a failed marriage, and your willing to take some of the blame for it, you’re far better off not being snide and making assumptions about what might have gone on in other people’s marriages too.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 11:10 pm
Gawd SFB devotes a lot of his time here rabbiting on about politicians’ sex lives.

Wingnut projection happening again.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 11:11 pm
The nephew who got run over by a tray top is awake and responding to family, he recognises his baby

Oh my. That is just wonderful wonderful news, Bob. Thanks for letting us know. I’ve been thinking about him and hoping you’d update us with great news. And you have! And it is!! Prayers will continue. xx

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 11:12 pm
Yes monty, but this technology will continue to improve in terms of Wireless to the node.
That would be why I put in the fibre to the house bit, Mr Clueless.

Right, it’s the vibe. Thanks Dennis, a.k.a. Winston, a.k.a. Bob.

m0nty

19 Sep 12 at 11:13 pm
FM, in response to Luntz saying that while Obama ‘created’ 4M jobs but lost 7M, TJ says: well there is that bumper sticker: GM is alive, Obama is dead.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 11:13 pm
And yet, SFB you didn’t answer the question as usual.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 11:13 pm
Excellent news, Winston.

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 11:14 pm
What question?

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 11:15 pm
In all seriousness you’d have to be pretty torn up if your husband abandoned you for Gillard. Jen Hawkins: ok I can bear it, pretty much any woman from Sweden: ok I can bear it, a fleshlight: yeah ok you could even bear that… but Gillard? Really?

Jeremiah

19 Sep 12 at 11:17 pm
Sinc, where’s the line for people who come on here attempting to smear private citizens – especially when they admit they’re trolls? I’m fucking sick of it.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 11:17 pm
What question?

Read my comment again. It the sentence that ends with a funny symbol that looks like this “?”.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 11:17 pm
I agree, Lizzie. Nigella has to be careful not to become too skinny.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 11:18 pm
where’s the line for people who come on here attempting to smear private citizens

Oh yeah, didn’t SFB go the whole muck-racking hog when the story was about Gina and her kids. On and on for days. He said some pretty nasty stuff – but don’t anyone dare said a word against his precious lying slapper.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 11:20 pm
Remember when ~~McCain~~ Romney was the left’s favourite conservative? Those were the days.

I hope he becomes Prez for no other reason than the mental breakdowns that will ensue.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 11:23 pm
Winston, I’m so glad that the nephew sounds out of the woods, although still with much repair to happen yet.

Stevie – the Bunyip is a gentleman of the old school, and has only ever alluded to troubles due to his tryst with Joan down at The Moorings. He admits his faults. No doubt you are faultless. You would be, of course.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

19 Sep 12 at 11:23 pm
In all seriousness you’d have to be pretty torn up if your husband abandoned you for Gillard.

Nah. It’s like your husband telling you he’s a poofter. You realise he’s the one with the problem and move on.

It’s a pretty sick fetish though.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 11:27 pm
TJ says: well there is that bumper sticker: GM is alive, Obama is dead.

Here’s another one: Privatise the ABC.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 11:28 pm
I always choose not to discuss my marriage, Gab. I don’t care for it when people go into detail about it in forum like this, and hence I won’t do it myself.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 11:30 pm
Stevie, here’s my rule of thumb. Keep out of other people’s marriages until they are well and truly over, decree nisi preferably, especially if kids are involved. Wobbly marriages don’t need anyone else to come along and complicate things more imho.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

19 Sep 12 at 11:32 pm
Oh yeah, didn’t SFB go the whole muck-racking hog when the story was about Gina and her kids. On and on for days.

I said nothing at all about her sex life, Gab.

Unlike Gillard, however, the fact that she has a severely fractured relationship with a few of her kids, and that it is based on money and control issues, is a matter of public record.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 11:32 pm
GM is alive, Obama is dead.

Correction:….Osama is dead.

Osama, Obama; you say tomato….

dover_beach

19 Sep 12 at 11:33 pm
I don’t care for it when people go into detail about it in forum like this, and hence I won’t do it myself.

Says the person who raved on in a disgusting manner for days on end about the sex lives of Herman Cain and Mrs Romney .

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 11:33 pm
TJ is conducting the most disgraceful interviews about Romney with Frank Luntz on Lateline at the moment. And the prep story was equally disgraceful.

Frank Luntz is the master of communication dover.

He’s a strange fellow but a certifiable genius.

He knows the ABC is leftwing.

What information did an average viewer get watching the show apart from Frank loving Snowcone and loving Australia?

Did they hear that Obama isn’t the God that the ABC portrays at every available opportunity and his country is in a mess?

He have Snowcone what only what he wanted to give Snowcone.

He gave the average Aussie listening to Lateline a lot more honest info than they’ve received to date from any source.

And he hasn’t upset the leftists who watched the show.

There’s nobody voting here.

JamesK

19 Sep 12 at 11:34 pm
Unlike Gillard, however, the fact that she has a severely fractured relationship with a few of her kids, and that it is based on money and control issues, is a matter of public record.

it’s Gina, dummy, and your hypocrisy has lungs and two legs.

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 11:35 pm
He admits his faults. No doubt you are faultless. You would be, of course.

You are being stupid Lizzie.

I’m not the one continually casting aspersions on the character of a public figure based on the imagined reactions of the a couple of other women. My behaviour is therefore not relevant in the slightest.

So, if you’re telling me its fine for the Bunyip to make jokes about a public figure not “keeping her legs crossed” if he has admitted to his own infidelities, well you’re just too stupid and politically partisan to recognize hypocrisy.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 11:38 pm
Just trying to remember, it’s decree nisi first, then decree absolute, isn’t it? So make that decree absolute before you start up with that previously married person. Otherwise you risk being just part of the tangle.
Reference: Lizzie B’s advice service for young ladies.

Da Hairy Ape is singing tender love songs to me, trying to make up for his fox’s paw. Glad you agree CL, she needs to eat up. And blondes have more fun.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

19 Sep 12 at 11:41 pm
Mrs Romney .

I’ve said nothing about her.

You meant, Mrs Santorum. And yes, as a conservative pro-lifer Catholic writing books and doing TV, her former life was a matter which could well have caused political embarrassment because it was in wild (and unexplained by her) contrast with her current views.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 11:43 pm
Luntz is a big Romney fan, nearly as optimistic as JamesK:

The Romney campaign. It hasn’t adjusted to the campaign as a choice. “That’s the problem,” says pollster Frank Luntz, who has conducted dozens of focus groups this year. “When your opponent has $1 billion to spend, it’s [no longer] a referendum. It’s a choice.” Swing voters and independents don’t believe Obama deserves reelection, Luntz says, but Romney “hasn’t made the case for himself.” There’s “no ‘not Obama’ lever. They’ll have to pull the Romney lever. At this point, they aren’t willing to do that. He hasn’t given them a reason why.” Were the election solely about Obama’s record, he wouldn’t need to.

SteveC

19 Sep 12 at 11:44 pm
Here’s another one: Privatise the ABC.

Privatize it
Don’t criticize it
Privatize it
And I will advertise it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABc8ciT5QLs

Dangph

19 Sep 12 at 11:44 pm
Oh yeah it was Mrs Santorum. Remember when SFB raved on about Mrs Santorum’s sex life and alleged abortion?

Gab

19 Sep 12 at 11:47 pm
Sussex Street has got your shift starting late tonight, SteveC. I’ve got to have a word with them…

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 11:48 pm
Good work StevieLiar QC. Your good work on Santorum and Cain demonstrates your hypocrisy. Answer the question shi.thead

Tiny Dancer

19 Sep 12 at 11:49 pm
Glad you agree CL, she needs to eat up. And blondes have more fun.

Aye, Elizabeth.

Except that I like dark and raven-haired gals.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 11:50 pm
Gab: you are as accurate and reliable in recall as CL. That is, completely inaccurate and unreliable. If I continue to spend time correcting you, nothing else will get commented on.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 11:50 pm
Herman Cain – oh sure, Tiny Malevolent, his secret sex life was also completely irrelevant to his appeal to his Evangelical base.

Grow a brain.

steve from brisbane

19 Sep 12 at 11:52 pm
You’re a disgusting piece of shit with the morals of a sewer rat.

Tom

19 Sep 12 at 11:52 pm
Oh Stevie my little muppet, I am not stupid in the ways of love. See my advice service above. Everyone’s behaviour is relevant. Even yours, if you wish to comment on other people’s comments on such things.

It’s a grown up world. Certain standards do apply. Particularly to a political lady, Stevie, who claims to have the interests of other ladies at heart – as she does.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

19 Sep 12 at 11:53 pm
Fuck me. The madness never ends. Calls to legislate for more local content on TV.

The Federal Government’s Convergence Review recommended setting quotas for Australian content on both free to air and subscription television but the Government has not committed to implementing the recommendations.

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said through a spokesman yesterday that the Government was still considering the report and would “respond in due course”.

director Gillian Armstrong said the industry was fragile and needed its future assured by content quotas enforced by Government.

Infidel Tiger

19 Sep 12 at 11:55 pm
Remember when SFB raved on about Mrs Santorum’s sex life and alleged abortion?

Sure do. It went on for about a week.

C.L.

19 Sep 12 at 11:58 pm
You are truly a tool StevieLiar QC. A dickhead extraordinaire. Your hypocrisy is, again, breathtaking. Answer the question dolt.

Tiny Dancer

19 Sep 12 at 11:58 pm
Tom, you’re a disturbed and angry individual with a low insult vocabulary. Cheers.

steve from brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 12:00 am
Tom, on the money. Again.

Tiny Dancer

20 Sep 12 at 12:03 am
d-b, I do miss the opportunity to remind people about Mrs Santorum’s former love life, so in that respect I do miss Santorum too. Just as I miss Herman Cain’s Comical Ali denials about his love life.
steve from brisbane

25 Jul 12 at 1:20 pm

Gab

20 Sep 12 at 12:03 am
The Federal Government’s Convergence Review recommended setting quotas for Australian content on both free to air and subscription television but the Government has not committed to implementing the recommendations.

That should make television even more irrelevant than it already is. Has the “Convergence Review” not heard of the Internet?

Dangph

20 Sep 12 at 12:04 am
CL, you a dishonest liar.

For the record, because the nutters here who weren’t here at the time might think you are truthful instead of a liar:

* there was never an allegation in the media report that detailed Mrs S love life in her 20′s that she had an abortion. However, she lived with an abortion providing doctor. Friends who knew the couple at the time recall her raising no concerns about this.

* there was no allegation of any relationships apart from that one. That is, the “sex life” story was about one relationship that was, nonetheless, completely at odds with her later pro-life and conservative Catholic views.

steve from brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 12:05 am
Quick work Gab. Well done.

Tiny Dancer

20 Sep 12 at 12:06 am
dishonest liar

Moron

Tiny Dancer

20 Sep 12 at 12:08 am
Oh, this is tedious. The common thread in the Santorum and Cain stories is that they are American conservatives who appeal directly for support to a significant and influential (in Republican circles) block of religious conservative voters of a kind you do not really see in Australia.

Hypocrisy in your personal life matters a hell of a lot in that situation.

steve from brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 12:12 am
Geezus poor old Stevie is copping it tonight.

Steve one day you’ll realise that your life will be much better once we’ve cleared out the final two leftist hold outs in the anglosphere: the Australian Commonwealth and the US presidency.

Once we do that then you’ll no longer have to spend your life defending the stinking, rotten, festering corpse of 1970′s leftism anymore and your quality of life will improve immeasurably.

twostix

20 Sep 12 at 12:15 am
You’re a disgusting piece of shit with the morals of a sewer rat who lies like a canary sings.

Your daughter needs to see this comment to understand what a two-faced weavil you are.

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 12:16 am
Steve has no children who acknowledge him. It’s not possible.

Tiny Dancer

20 Sep 12 at 12:30 am
d-b, I do miss the opportunity to remind people about Mrs Santorum’s former love life, so in that respect I do miss Santorum too. Just as I miss Herman Cain’s Comical Ali denials about his love life.
steve from brisbane

25 Jul 12 at 1:20 pm

LOL.

C.L.

20 Sep 12 at 12:32 am
… completely at odds with her later … views.

Would that be anything like a serial marriage-wrecker now shacked up with a hairdresser who yesterday voted with the Coalition to uphold the sanctity of marriage?

C.L.

20 Sep 12 at 12:35 am
There is nothing wrong with polygamy.
Why can’t you guys be adults about these issues?

Except of course that the main examples of polygamy tend to illustrate social structures that treat women like chattel. Apart from THAT it’s tippy top, hey?

Abu Chowdah

20 Sep 12 at 12:36 am
Distraction fail…

Romney marches to 3 point lead in New Hampshire.

C.L.

20 Sep 12 at 12:38 am
Pollster corruption exposed: LOL.

C.L.

20 Sep 12 at 12:44 am
Stephan Lewandowsky squirms as Steve McIntyre takes apart his latest “survey” designed to smear global warming sceptics. (Via JN).

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 12:46 am
How old are Tiny and Tom? I have the distinct impression we’re talking retirees who spend a lot of time in their man sheds, probably drinking home brew.

Steve from Brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 12:46 am
Well well well.

Mother Jones removed up to 2 minutes from Romney’s taped answer.

Developing…

C.L.

20 Sep 12 at 12:49 am
David Marr gets his hand off it long enough to accept some extra attention from The Australian:

When Marr was asked his reaction to the media coverage this week, he said: “Some surprise that ‘the punch’ got such enormous treatment and some surprise I was branded an anti-Catholic bigot because of my analysis.”

Marr vigorously defends what he wrote, but adds that he considered “the punch” was “an incident in his (Mr Abbott’s) young manhood on which I have never placed a huge amount of weight”.

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 1:03 am
USA Today Op-Ed, Romney: I’ll deliver recovery, not dependency

Efforts that promote hard work and personal responsibility over government dependency make America strong. When the economy is growing and Americans are working, everyone involved has a shared sense of achievement, not to mention the basic sense of pride that comes with the paycheck they earn.
However, over the past four years, those kinds of opportunities have been in short supply. We’re experiencing the worst recovery since the Great Depression. Unemployment has been above 8% for 43 straight months; 47 million Americans are on food stamps. Nearly one in six Americans now live in poverty.
Under President Obama, we have a stagnant economy that fosters government dependency. My policies will create a growing economy that fosters upward mobility.
Government has a role to play here. Right now, our nation’s citizens do need help from government. But it is a very different kind of help than what President Obama wants to provide.

JamesK

20 Sep 12 at 1:06 am
Maybe Romney answer was “inelegant” only because Mother Jones didn’t disclose that part of tape was missing

It is impossible for us to know if Romney said something which changed or put the remarks in context. Romney doesn’t remember the event except for what exists on audio/video. Maybe in the fullness of the answer, the answer was less “inelegant” than it appears. Maybe Romney put some of the context on it that we have heard in his interviews the past two days.

What difference does it make?

Think how the initial 24 hours of controversy might have played out differently had Corn made the disclosure up front. That part of the answer was missing from the tape would have provided a valuable context both to readers/listeners, and to the Romney campaign. That never happened because there was no disclosure by Corn that part of the tape was missing

JamesK

20 Sep 12 at 1:08 am
Distraction fail:

Mitt Romney hits the lead in Colorado.

C.L.

20 Sep 12 at 1:12 am
James Pethokoukis, AEI:
Under Obamanomics, the 47% — and everyone else — will be paying more taxes soon enough

One of these two things has got to give: Either a) the projected future explosion in federal spending is reduced or b) a good chunk of the 47% of Americans who currently pay no income taxes will have to start (or perhaps pay a value-added tax).

Less spending or just about everybody — including the broad middle class — will pay more. Lots more.

That’s the choice. And that is the issue Mitt Romney should be raising.

Why won’t President Obama — unlike Paul Ryan — release a long-term budget plan? Simple. If he did, it would show the only way to realistically pay for the Democratic spending agenda is to eventually raise taxes on pretty much everybody.

See, if you are not going to cut future spending increases and dramatically reform entitlements, raising taxes on just the rich isn’t enough to cover the budget gap. The Buffett Rule is a sham

JamesK

20 Sep 12 at 1:15 am
Has anyone ordered Dick Morris’s fantastic children’s book, Dubs Runs For President?

I love Dick Morris. He’s awesome. A shameless self-promoter, but he’s more often than not right on the money. He’s been arguing for months – persuasively – that you can put the vast bulk of the undecideds in the Romney column.

I do hope someone is noting down m0nty and Wadej’s triumphalist remarks predicting an imminent Obama rout. It’ll be such fun reviewing them during Romney’s acceptance speech.

Oh come on

20 Sep 12 at 3:02 am
How old are Tiny and Tom? I have the distinct impression we’re talking retirees who spend a lot of time in their man sheds, probably drinking home brew.

Steve from Brisbane
20 Sep 12 at 12:46 am

A more agreeable pursuit of manliness than hitting the salon once a week to get your legs waxed and nails done.

Dan

20 Sep 12 at 4:37 am
Dan’s being awfully discreet in not mentioning your regular manscaping sessions, SfB. He’s a better man than I.

sdog

20 Sep 12 at 5:42 am
Remember when SfB was bragging that he reckoned his sperm were perkier than CL’s? That was a comment session for the ages. Perky sperm. LOL.

sdog

20 Sep 12 at 5:48 am
In its new role as a propaganda comic, The Age helps The Guardian gang-tackle Cory Bernardi to embarrass the British Conservative Party PM David Cameron. Bernardi is in the air as we speak on his way to a Young Conservatives “Freedom Summit” in the UK.

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 6:42 am
Creepy, creepy, creepy.

I’m sorry, but this self-posted photo of ‘Obama for America’ campaign manager Jim Messina screams “I Failed My ‘Working With Children’ Screening” to me:
http://twitter.com/Messina2012/status/248440417127903232

More on Team Obama’s latest hashtag fail here:
http://twitchy.com/2012/09/19/forall-hashtag-fail-cutter-natalie-portman-leto-kick-off-jim-messinas-pic-creeps-everyone-out/

sdog

20 Sep 12 at 6:43 am
Ha ha ha!!! Obama’s still squirming about Clint’s Empty Chair routine in a serious, joke-free propaganda opportunity on Letterman:

Obama was the only guest, so there was an empty chair next to him. Letterman, referencing Clint Eastwood’s RNC speech, asked the President whether he would like to say something to the empty chair—but the joke was almost killed when the President placed a stuffed cat, which had been sent as a token by Letterman’s son, on the chair.

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 7:07 am
For JC, Phabulous Phil Phuking Coorey begrudgingly writes a positive piece about AbbottAbbottAbbott. Could it be that it’s part of a job application at The Australian?

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 7:34 am
Good morning Tom. How’s the shed this morning?

Re Obama on Letterman: I see no squirming. Try cleaning your glasses and watch again.

steve from brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 8:07 am
I see you used “squirming” last night too. You’re a regular squirmaholic, I think.

steve from brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 8:08 am
For JC, Phabulous Phil Phuking Coorey begrudgingly writes a positive piece about AbbottAbbottAbbott. Could it be that it’s part of a job application at The Australian?

I call him Punxatawney Phil as he writes the same crap every day for the same masters but I now think Cockroach Phil is more appropriate as he looks like he will do anything to survive the downfall of this rancid government.

Token

20 Sep 12 at 8:15 am
More on Team Obama’s latest hashtag fail here:
http://twitchy.com/2012/09/19/forall-hashtag-fail-cutter-natalie-portman-leto-kick-off-jim-messinas-pic-creeps-everyone-out/

That hashtag and those photo’s are some of the creepiest cult of personality crap I’ve seen, as creepy as Steve from Brisbane.

Token

20 Sep 12 at 8:18 am
Talking about creepy Steve from Brisbane, this is just the type of unsubstantiated rumour that he would be happy to peddle:

India. @RebelleMonroe_

Did Mitt Romney really call Mexican-Americans ‘Taco jockeys’?!

Yes, it is the type of unsubstantiated rumour that comes from a reputable source like this, so SoB will be all over it in a heartbeat.

Token

20 Sep 12 at 8:23 am
as creepy as Steve from Brisbane

I saw somewhere on the Internet that neither Jim Messina nor SfB are allowed within 500m of any primary school.

It might have been a fake and malicious rumor, but I’m calling it “too good to check”.

sdog

20 Sep 12 at 8:28 am
After bitching to the world he pays too much tax, the US Congress passes a law to allow Warren Buffett to pay whatever he thinks a fair amount of tax.

By voice vote this afternoon, the House passed the Buffett Rule Act of 2012, which paves the way for taxpayers to voluntarily pay more than they owe to reduce the national deficit. Taxpayers already can pay more than they owe, but the legislation would facilitate the process by adding a checkbox directly to federal tax forms.

Yes, as it is named after the grandstanding tight-ass crony capitalist who is suing the US government so his companies do not have to pay their fair share, do you think he’ll be motivated to put his money where his mouth is?

Token

20 Sep 12 at 8:30 am
After bitching to the world he doesn’t pays ~~too much~~ enough tax…

Token

20 Sep 12 at 8:31 am
…the amount of warming caused by human greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions is known to a high degree of certainty, and these same studies have all found that GHGs are responsible for over 100% of the observed warming over this timeframe.

#MathIsHard

sdog

20 Sep 12 at 8:32 am
Phil Coorey
Phil Coorey

You decide.

Splatacrobat

20 Sep 12 at 8:34 am
It puts the lotion on…

sdog

20 Sep 12 at 8:35 am
So what’s Mr 15% on $42 million income (Romney) think about that, Token. (And we don’t know what he has paid before that – more than the last two tax returns not been released, if I recall.)

steve from brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 8:42 am
sdog, may I see a photo of you petting your guns in front of your “I heart Romney” poster. Then we can judge who looks creepier.

steve from brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 8:44 am
Steve from Brisbane once again shows how he spent his youth as a Troskite or similar. His far left background in the politics of envy means when he stumbles like the comment above the old lefty dogma’s dribble out.

Yes Steve, we understand that you & your other “conservative” mates have always believed in redistribution of wealth.

Token

20 Sep 12 at 8:48 am
Splatacrobat @ 0834,

Please don’t denegrate Ernie and bert, please!

Mike of Marion

20 Sep 12 at 8:50 am
President Barack Obama is in a better position to win November’s election than any presidential candidate since Bill Clinton in 1996, according to a nationwide poll released today that shows him with an eight-percentage-point lead among likely voters.

In the survey by the Pew Research Center, Obama is ahead of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney 51 percent to 43 percent, the largest advantage in September the survey has shown for any presidential nominee among likely voters since 1996, when Clinton – then seeking re-election – led Republican challenger Bob Dole, 50 percent to 38 percent.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/more-bad-news-for-romney-as-poll-points-to-obama-win-20120920-267n3.html#ixzz26xUykeCM

Same polling shows massive lead for Obama amongst women, 56 to 38.

Gee, call women uppity sluts for talking about contraception and health care, and look what you get. I never saw that coming, no sir-ee.

steve from brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 8:54 am
Phil Coorey
Phil Coorey

You decide.

Wayne Swan
Wayne Swan

Dangph

20 Sep 12 at 8:57 am
SoB, what is wrong with Romney paying tax at that rate?

Token

20 Sep 12 at 9:02 am
How much of our money are you costing us, Dogshit (apart from your trolling fees)? Fess up, parasite.

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 9:08 am
Bolt haughtily preaching on the sacking of Bernardi :

It is offensive to gays in loving relationships to be linked to bestiality.

And what was the core of his complaint about being prosecuted by the white 9 ?

Bolt really doesn’t get irony does he ?

Keith

20 Sep 12 at 9:11 am
Courier Mail.

THE mother who gave her child an inflammatory banner to hold up during the Muslim riot told police she didn’t know what “behead” meant.

And the father I presume.BS.

Rudiau

20 Sep 12 at 9:22 am
sdog, may I see a photo of you petting your guns in front of your “I heart Romney” poster

Sorry, Steve. I’m already spoken for.

sdog

20 Sep 12 at 9:24 am
Same polling shows massive lead for Obama amongst women, 56 to 38.

Gallup shows a one point difference, I posted it last night and you saw it.

But “Pew” well now there’s a polling titan.

twostix

20 Sep 12 at 9:25 am
“Mother Jones removed up to 2 minutes from Romney’s taped answer.”

They never get it, CL – it’s the cover up that does the damage.
So when are they going to release the extra two minutes?
They’re not?
Well. I never saw that coming.

Winston SMITH

20 Sep 12 at 9:30 am
Good to have you back Winston. I find that your pithy comments have that extra zing with the link to 1984.

Token

20 Sep 12 at 9:34 am
Bolt haughtily preaching on the sacking of Bernardi :

Over time I’ve felt that Bernadi did not have enough discipline in the way he delivers his message had a tendancy to slip over a line into sensationalism thereby losing his audience.

He is a young man who plays the straight shooter well so he has time to learn. He should take the medecine and learn to refine his message & to lace it with humour like Barnaby Joyce does.

Token

20 Sep 12 at 9:39 am
Did Bernadi really link gays to bestiality or make a sloppy, poorly worded slippery slope argument?

So what’s Mr 15% on $42 million income (Romney) think about that, Token.

6.3 million USD, Steve.

That’s about the income taxes of 291 workers on a salary of 100k USD p.a.

It isn’t Romney who is ripping them off. The US Federal Government slugs workers on 100k USD p.a. at an effective marginal tax rate a touch over 21%.

The US should cut subsidies and benefits and raise the TFT to 100k and make the rate 20% – or adopt a 15% national sales tax and drop income tax.

It is paid by only just over half of the workers but those who pay it face a highly progressive system which basically makes it impossible to ever become wealthy unless they are entrepreneurs or invest heavily in property given the tax breaks it has – and we all saw how that ended four years ago.

The really stupid and nasty part of their tax system is that they fund Medicare through FICA – a regressive payroll tax borne by the employees. They should abolish FICA, privatise medicare and fund any income supplementation of it through a broad based indirect tax.

.

20 Sep 12 at 9:42 am
It isn’t Romney who is ripping them off. The US Federal Government slugs workers on 100k USD p.a. at an effective marginal tax rate a touch over 21%.

…but Dot, why won’t more SoB’s lefty campaign for more punative taxes not a solution?

Won’t greater complexity and more rules provide certainty?

I’m sure that the perfectly worded tax rules won’t have any loopholes which the rich [e.g. Buffett] can exploit and the not so rich can not take advantage of. After all big government & extremely complext tax systems never have provided such incentives to the rich in the past.

;sarc off

Token

20 Sep 12 at 9:58 am
Another poll for you SoB:

Last month in the NBC/WSJ poll, Obama’s net approval on foreign policy was a commanding +14 points. 54% of registered voters approved of his handling of foreign affairs while only 40% disapproved. Democrats were even starting to cite this advantage as a powerful argument for his reelection. But, the turmoil in the Middle East and the storming of American embassies–and murder of American diplomats–has almost wiped out Obama’s advantage.

In the latest NBC/WSJ poll, Obama’s net approval rating on foreign policy plunged from +14 to just +3. His approval rating dropped from 54% to 49%. His disapproval rating spiked from 40% to 46%. Keep in mind this latest poll is D+7 (D+5 if independent leaners are included). Also, the ratings are among registered voters, which has a built-in Democrat bias.

Even a poll with an amazing skew like the NBC/WSJ has tracked how Obama’s reputation has plumeted since it was revealed that he was skipping intelligence briefings.

Token

20 Sep 12 at 10:20 am
Andrew Bolt watch out.

The Green-Left Report will blow you out of the water
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtieqbs9H38

jtfsoon

20 Sep 12 at 10:20 am
They represent the 99% Soon. Only the vanguard of robber barons would disagree!

.

20 Sep 12 at 10:32 am
Creepy, creepy, creepy.

Agreed, sdog.

And what’s with the lippy?

Rabz

20 Sep 12 at 10:32 am
Combine the work of an inept president that has deminished the US’s international prestige with a nationalist campaign stirred by the rulers of an emerging super-power and you get these very concerning images:

A car carrying the U.S. ambassador to China was mildly damaged after becoming the target of boisterous anti-Japan demonstrators who were expressing outrage over a territorial dispute and marking the 81st anniversary of Japan’s invasion of China.

Token

20 Sep 12 at 10:33 am
For JC, Phabulous Phil Phuking Coorey begrudgingly writes a positive piece about AbbottAbbottAbbott. Could it be that it’s part of a job application at The Australian?

Really? He’s such a bald idiot. It’s too late for him to be making amends. Too little and too late.

JC

20 Sep 12 at 10:39 am
“Remember when ~~McCain~~ Romney was the left’s favourite conservative? Those were the days.”

It’s no surprise they liked him – back in those days he was a pro-choice moderate who supported gay rights, gun control, tackling climate change, and championed a law that required everyone to buy health insurance, backed up with generous subsidies for those who could not afford it.

He’s not called ~~Multiple-Choice Romney~~ ~~the Flip-Flopper~~ the Etch-a-Sketch candidate for nothing.

Jarrah

20 Sep 12 at 10:40 am
Andrew Bolt watch out.

The Green-Left Report will blow you out of the water

You can almost smell the b.o.

C.L.

20 Sep 12 at 10:47 am
It’s no surprise ~~they~~ I liked ~~him~~ Obama – back in those days he was a pro-choice moderate who supported gay rights, gun control, tackling climate change, and championed a law that required everyone to buy health insurance, backed up with generous subsidies for those who could not afford it against illegal wars, rendition, Gitmo, drone attacks, assassinations, military tribunals, spying on Americans, historical deficits, unemployment.

~~He’s~~ I’m not called Multiple-Choice ~~Romney~~ Jarrah the Flip-Flopper ~~the Etch-a-Sketch candidate~~ for nothing.

C.L.

20 Sep 12 at 10:53 am
Sharia-compliant ABC Online assembles Muslim ‘experts’ to answer questions about their revolting ‘religion.’ Conclusion: Muslims are animals.

Q. How could a film have sparked such widespread outrage?
- ABC staff

Every culture has its taboos, and mocking of the Prophet invokes the same type of almost involuntary reaction that many people experience when exposed to a stream of profanity, images of violence done to children, or flag-burning.

Nevertheless, after the initial taboo is provoked, a different type of logical anger takes over, in this case based on deep currents of frustration.

- Rachel Woodlock

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-18/islam-and-the-film-that-sparked-global-unrest/4267612

C.L.

20 Sep 12 at 10:58 am
Romney hits the lead, nation-wide.

C.L.

20 Sep 12 at 11:00 am
I thought Romney’s campaign was over. That was the judgement of our own ABC.

dover_beach

20 Sep 12 at 11:04 am
CL

If the polls see saw like this, then there could be the toe sucker theory in operation in that the undecided break late in the game.

The toe sucker had an interesting vid today saying that the undecided broke for Reagan a few days before the election allowing him to win by 9 points.

Possibly, but.. but… but.. dunno.

JC

20 Sep 12 at 11:05 am
“It’s no surprise I liked Obama – back in those days he was against illegal wars, rendition, Gitmo, drone attacks, assassinations, military tribunals, spying on Americans, historical deficits, unemployment.”

Sounds like a good list of reasons to like somebody.

I think while doing all those strike-throughs you got a bit confused. Normally you’re not so nice to me.

“I’m not called Multiple-Choice Jarrah the Flip-Flopper for nothing.”

It was Obama that broke his promises and turned out to be akin to a war criminal rather than someone worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize. Starting off liking him, and then disliking him for changing into Bush Lite, is not flip-flopping.

Gee, even when you try to insult me you can’t make the case. Did you skip your morning coffee or something?

Jarrah

20 Sep 12 at 11:05 am
Obama champagne gaffe:

President Barack Obama attended a fundraiser at Jay-Z’s 40/40 Club in Manhattan that featured a champagne tower of 350 bottles worth $105,000 – more than twice the median household income of an American family.

The tower of $300-a-bottle Armand de Brignac Brut Gold, known as ‘Ace of Spades’ because of its label, is a permanent fixture at the club.

‘It’s floor-to-ceiling gold bottles in the entire space,’ a 40/40 representative told the New York Post. ‘It’s beautiful—breathtaking. It’s the first thing you see when you walk in.’

The median income for an American family was $51,413 in 2011.

C.L.

20 Sep 12 at 11:05 am
Gaffe latest:

Elitist Obama Bans Photos of Champagne Towers at Lavish Fundraiser.

C.L.

20 Sep 12 at 11:08 am
Own any diamonds?

Well, they’re now worth… not much:

Russian asteroid crater revealed to be filled with over $1 quadrillion of diamonds.

C.L.

20 Sep 12 at 11:09 am
The tower of $300-a-bottle Armand de Brignac Brut Gold, known as ‘Ace of Spades’ because of its label,

It’s actually not a bad drop. It doesn’t go straight to your head like other champers. Good taste at least.

I hope they have a vid of that and the Romnster uses it.

JC

20 Sep 12 at 11:09 am
Romney landslide, JC; Romney landslide. Lock-it in. And hold the line.

dover_beach

20 Sep 12 at 11:12 am
It was Obama that broke his promises and turned out to be akin to a war criminal

Oh FFS libertarians need to get a grip. His assassination policy is one of the few things in his favour. You guys prefer lots of collateral damage?

jtfsoon

20 Sep 12 at 11:13 am
Own any diamonds?

Well, they’re now worth… not much:

Russian asteroid crater revealed to be filled with over $1 quadrillion of diamonds.

It wouldn’t be worth anywhere near that unless they think people are saps. Raise the supply and what would happen to price?

Lefties… SteveC, Stepford, fat boy, Labor Front bench… no it wouldn’t rise, you dumbfucks. If supply increases, given the same level of demand, the price would fall to clear the market.

JC

20 Sep 12 at 11:16 am
It’s actually not a bad drop.

Is it 10 times better than a $30 bottle?

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 11:17 am
“You guys prefer lots of collateral damage?”

The collateral damage – both to innocents on the ground and to America’s standing in the world – is part of the problem of the drone strikes, Jason.

Jarrah

20 Sep 12 at 11:18 am
DB

I’m not sure.. and I’m really not sure. The polls honestly don’t look great for him as he’s not eggsactly inspirational, although I never thought it ought to matter in this election. Perhaps the polls are fucked up with the input and messing with the variables gets adjusted close to the date. I really dunno but hope you’re right.

JC

20 Sep 12 at 11:20 am
Is it 10 times better than a $30 bottle?

Yes it is. It really is a great drop.

What a waste on that crowd though..the Kenyan fundraiser… It’s like feeding strawberries to pigs.

JC

20 Sep 12 at 11:23 am
You can get $3.90 about a Romney win! Looks like the betting markets have got high on their own supply.

I’ll be taking some of that. The debates haven’t even started. Biden could take a shit on stage and mould it into moon men.

Infidel Tiger

20 Sep 12 at 11:25 am
Jamie’s blog goes hog wild.

Name That Party: Trophy Wife Gone Wild Edition
Posted by Jammie on Feb 14, 2012 at 6:42 pm
nadialockyer

So you’re the attractive young wife of a much older high-profile politician, you’re reportedly injured during a fracas with a younger ex-boyfriend in the wee hours of the morning and you also happen to be an elected official who’s now entering rehab. Stuff like this is tabloid manna from heaven. Well, it would be if the parties involved were Republicans. The fact they’re prominent Democrats in the Bay Area?

Nah, not worth mentioning.

and..

Democrat By Day, Sleazy Facebook Sl.t By Night
Posted by Jammie on Aug 12, 2012 at 8:45 am
rivera2

Apparently some people think the Internet is still private. Even if you’re a politician. And you post photos of yourself wearing lingerie. Sure, nobody will notice.

She’s a real swing voter.

To constituents, she’s Naomi D. Rivera, a mild-mannered, bespectacled Bronx assemblywoman whose social-media page is dotted with her accomplishments, thoughtful sayings and the latest neighborhood news.

But on another, secret Facebook page, she’s Daniela Rivera, a sultry single 47-year-old who shows off her curves, her dance moves and, in one photo accessible to the public, the top of her lacy red bra.

But more than anything, the lawmaker’s Internet alter-ego is devoted to Tommy Torres, a fellow Democrat eight years her junior whom she has been dating for at least two years — and whom she put on her government payroll.

Dozens of photos on Daniela’s page show Rivera with her hunky “babe” in various poses — locking lips, nuzzling his cheek and dirty dancing.

The legislator began posting romantic photos of Torres in 2009, when she created the page under “Daniela,” her middle name, and a year before she hired him or finalized her divorce from husband Antonio Rodriguez.

Infidel Tiger

20 Sep 12 at 11:31 am
Oh FFS libertarians need to get a grip. His assassination policy is one of the few things in his favour. You guys prefer lots of collateral damage?

I’ve never criticised Obama for drone strikes or keeping Gitmo as once he became the man he realised his childish promises could not be kept.

Token

20 Sep 12 at 11:32 am
More

We’re Gonna Need a Bigger Hypocrisy Meter: Tax Cheat Rangel Lectures Romney on Taxes

the pic that goes with the story is just great.

Infidel Tiger

20 Sep 12 at 11:35 am
Three nationwide polls point to an absolute dead heat, JC.

AP-gfk of likely voters O +1

Rasmussen of likely voters R +1

Gallup of registered voters O +2

St Hubbins

20 Sep 12 at 11:38 am
You can get $3.90 about a Romney win!

Huge overs, IT. Those setting the market are the mates of those barracking for Obama. Three things: 1. the electorate has never been so volatile. 2. the undecideds will break for Romney. 3. media don’t and never did control public sentiment and they’re currently misresding it badly. IMO, those pollsters loading their samples with huge D+ may well destroy their businesses in November.

St Hubbins

20 Sep 12 at 11:39 am
I don’t know how that happened.

St Hubbins above was actually me.

How did his/her name and email show up on my ‘Leave a Reply’ comment box?

Jacques?????????”

JamesK

20 Sep 12 at 11:40 am
11:38 not 11:39.

Shit this site is still fucked

JamesK

20 Sep 12 at 11:42 am
Oh FFS libertarians need to get a grip. His assassination policy is one of the few things in his favour. You guys prefer lots of collateral damage?

I support targeted assassination. It is morally righteous to do so.

.

20 Sep 12 at 11:43 am
WTF?

Those last two Infidel postings were mine. Somehow the site picked up IT’s moniker and email dets and posted as him.

Jacques, what is going on. What have you done?

JC

20 Sep 12 at 11:44 am
Weird. St Hubbins just “stole” my comment:

You can get $3.90 about a Romney win!

Huge overs, IT. Those setting the market are the mates of those barracking for Obama. Three things: 1. the electorate has never been so volatile. 2. the undecideds will break for Romney. 3. media don’t and never did control public sentiment and they’re currently misresding it badly. IMO, those pollsters loading their samples with huge D+ may well destroy their businesses in November.

Memo Jacques: I just acquired St Hubbins’ email address by improper default. I don’t want my email addressed accidentally disseminated.

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 11:44 am
This site is spooky today

Tal

20 Sep 12 at 11:46 am
Change email address?

.

20 Sep 12 at 11:46 am
This site seems to be run by “Tony” my technician. He upgraded the entertainment system and nothing fucking works. Music started to come pound out at max decibels at 4 in the morn the other day possibly waking up the entire suburb. “Tony” says it was minor software problem.

JC

20 Sep 12 at 11:48 am
Hi Tom, it’s me, Gab. But i’m appearing as you!!

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 11:50 am
I am not Tom. Weird alright.

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 11:51 am
Dot, actually.

http://www.news.com.au/news/democrat-politician-naomi-riveras-secret-facebook-page-reveals-lover/story-fnejlrpu-1226449355118

ERROR

The requested URL could not be retrieved

While trying to retrieve the URL: http://www.news.com.au/news/democrat-politician-naomi-riveras-secret-facebook-page-reveals-lover/story-fnejlrpu-1226449355118

The following error was encountered:

Socket Failure
The system returned:

(98) Address already in use
Squid is unable to create a TCP socket, presumably due to excessive load. Please retry your request.

Your cache administrator is root.
Generated Thu, 20 Sep 2012 01:49:34 GMT by news.com.au (squid)

MUM! I think I broke the internet!

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 11:52 am
Tom, stop hogging the site!

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 11:53 am
My name and email address has just picked up Tom’s name and email dets.

This is me by the way… JC.

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 11:54 am
You can only post on this thread if your name is Tom lol

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 11:55 am
Fuck, I’ll suicide if I end up with Fat Boy’s identity.

JC

20 Sep 12 at 11:56 am
All, I think you need to MANUALLY change the comment post proforma to your own name and email address. I have just emailed Jacques that there is a massive security breach going on because of a site brain explosion.

Tom

20 Sep 12 at 11:57 am
I just posted about these comment issues on the comment problems thread and I came up as Gab!

Huckleberry Chunkwot

20 Sep 12 at 11:57 am
Test. Am I who I am?

steve from brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 12:42 pm
Test: I yam who I yam.

steve from brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 3:25 pm
Yeah that’s right SteveC: Julia then says to me “it’s not as impressive as Kevni’s, but

Oh wait, I think we’re back on line.

steve from brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 3:28 pm
I think Gab is really fabulous and very intelligent.
btw, I’m 72 this year.

steve from brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 3:33 pm
I really am envious of CL. His masterful vocab and the way he uses English is just awesome. I wish I was like him.

steve from brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 3:36 pm
Oh my god.

I’m steve from brisbane.

Quick! Hi Alan, Conservative Catholic life long liberal voter here can I just say that Gillard’s doign a wonderful job and is totally without historic criminalality issues, Tony Abbott is clearly guilty of punching a woman in the head as one ALP luvvies say so is better evidence that a statutory declaration, Global Warming is real, I adore Obama but I swear I’ve have voted for The Liberals all of my life.

Oh and there’s a sex scandal that I know about will bring Abbott down poste-hast, but oh how I lament the peering into politicians private lives!

Buyyyeee!

steve from brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 3:37 pm
No. I’m Steve from Brisbane you impostor!

Penis
semen
Abbott

See? it’s me!

steve from brisbane

20 Sep 12 at 3:38 pm
Hi Everyone:

I’m Steve from Brisbane and I’m a Conservative Catholic lesbian

JC

20 Sep 12 at 11:51 pm
This will be known as the great Catallaxy blackout of 2012. People will be talking about it in the 22nd century. They will want to know what people actually did while the site was down and how they occupied themselves. History will not treat Jacques kindly. ☺

JC

20 Sep 12 at 11:56 pm
Far too many Sfb!

Nanuestalker

21 Sep 12 at 12:05 am
Too weird for words. I’m going to bed.

Pedro the Ignorant

21 Sep 12 at 12:07 am
History will not treat Jacques kindly.

… but Steve finally got the ironing done.

Nanuestalker

21 Sep 12 at 12:07 am
History can treat me however it pleases, I’ll be dead by then.

Jacques Chester

21 Sep 12 at 12:08 am
What an insufferable little piece shit. It’s unbelievable when a fucking moron who knows everyone thinks and knows he’s a moron tries to pretend he isn’t. That’s Shane Wand.

WAYNE Swan will today launch a blistering attack on US Republicans, declaring “cranks and crazies” have taken over the party and have come to represent the No 1 threat to the world’s biggest economy.

JC

21 Sep 12 at 12:13 am
Bloody hell.

sdog

21 Sep 12 at 12:19 am
Now I’m Nanuestalker.

I blame the Alsatians of the Shadow Government.

Also, MI-6.

Nanuestalker

21 Sep 12 at 12:23 am
You guys?

RUOK?

sdog

21 Sep 12 at 12:24 am
I feel violated!

Nanuestalker

21 Sep 12 at 12:32 am
Test

Token

21 Sep 12 at 12:35 am
Bolt finds Anthony Loewenstein advocating genocide.

Oops- no preview. I’ll see how it goes.

Cold-Hands

21 Sep 12 at 12:38 am
I’m Token!

Token

21 Sep 12 at 12:38 am
OK I lied…I’m Cold-Hands

Cold-Hands

21 Sep 12 at 12:39 am
Funny, I only had the option of one instance of identity theft (now deleted). Must be related to how often you post here.

Apologies Token, it won’t happen again.

Cold-Hands

21 Sep 12 at 12:40 am
Still no preview.

Cold-Hands

21 Sep 12 at 12:42 am
no preview but we get the identity of whoever logs in!

Cold-Hands

21 Sep 12 at 12:48 am
No no I’m Cold-Hands

Cold-Hands

21 Sep 12 at 12:50 am
No I’m Cold-Hands and so’s my brother!

Cold-Hands

21 Sep 12 at 12:52 am
No. I’m Cold-hands and I have Cold-Feet too!

Cold-Hands

21 Sep 12 at 1:00 am
???

kae

21 Sep 12 at 1:23 am
Cats sleeping with dogs, what is going on!

m0nty

21 Sep 12 at 1:29 am
Apart from having to fill my name in each time it seems to be working for me.

Andrew Reynolds

21 Sep 12 at 1:50 am
Why don’t y’all migrate to SfB’s site and troll the fuck out of that?

Dan

21 Sep 12 at 4:36 am
If only Tony Jones would moderate Q&A like this.

Richard Dawkins vs. George Pell as it should have been .

Splatacrobat

21 Sep 12 at 6:51 am
Actually, this site is more enjoyable when it’s working in random identity mode. Please set it up to do that every Friday night, starting after the SBS Nazi doco…

steve from brisbane

21 Sep 12 at 7:00 am
Wy don’t you just fuck off Dan. That site is full of worthwhile, carefully considered argument. I’m sick of idiots from this site going over there and making personal attacks on me.

steve from brisbane

21 Sep 12 at 7:31 am
Don’t worry Steve, even on a day when the Cat was totally out of service I was not tempted for a minute to visit your site.

Token

21 Sep 12 at 7:59 am
This is serious sh*t, how can a minority be allowed to change our society like this?

US warns citizens of more Sydney unrest as Muslim leaders back police actions

THE United States has advised its citizens to keep away from Martin Place and Hyde Park this weekend amid fears of another outbreak of anti-American violence.

Will the ABC be dedicating all its shows to ensure Americans who are in the country can live and work in peace, free of the prejedice of a indulged minority that shames us all?

Token

21 Sep 12 at 8:11 am
LOL Obama’s lies and hypocrisy catch up with him yet again

Obama caught in lie on David Letterman

President Obama, who doesn’t have time to meet with the Israeli prime minister, managed to squeeze an appearance on The Late Show with David Letterman into his busy schedule of fundraisers and rounds of golf.

He says he has never questioned the patriotism of those who disagree with him.

Really?

Flashback: Obama calls Bush adding $4 trillion to national debt “unpatriotic”

Token

21 Sep 12 at 8:11 am
Please set it up to do that every Friday night, starting after the SBS Nazi doco…

Along those lines, will the ABC continue to prove it is where anti-semetism lives and keep engaging the bigoted troll who has all the attribute we have come to associate with Left wing politics:

As Loewenstein wasn’t quite answering the question he was pressed further by Hoffman as to how many people Loewenstein thinks should die. First, Frank Barat, the Chairman, answered “200,000? (here is more on Barat). Then Loewenstein answered ”Six million. That’s my answer. Write that down.”

Token

21 Sep 12 at 8:15 am
I’m sick of idiots from this site going over there and making personal attacks on me.

What liar-steve® meant:

I~~’m sick of idiots~~ wish my betters from this site ~~going~~ went over there ~~and~~ making personal attacks on me because I’m a psychologically fucked-up pervert and inciting attention no matter how derogatory is how I get my jollies

Token

21 Sep 12 at 8:30 am
People, it’s still happening!

Rabz

Token

21 Sep 12 at 8:31 am
Tokes – this is Rabz – email address display is still happening

Jacques!

Token

21 Sep 12 at 8:32 am
Rabzie, just make sure YOUR details are in the proforma before posting a comment. There is still a fault. Jacques appears not to be up yet (in Perth). I’ve been emailing.

Tom

21 Sep 12 at 8:36 am
Tom,

I’m not leaving my details up for certain idiots to see.

Rabz

Tom

21 Sep 12 at 8:38 am
Marcus Brigstocke explains Growth and Recession
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIGJy41ekEU&NR=1&feature=endscreen

Keith

21 Sep 12 at 8:40 am
Rabz, you should protect yourself with an alias email address/identity.

Tom

21 Sep 12 at 8:42 am
Tom,

If I change my email address the site won’t let me post comments.

Rabz

Tom

21 Sep 12 at 8:49 am
Yes it will, Rabz. Your proforma will just default to whatever address you put in the field above.

Tom

21 Sep 12 at 8:51 am
Jacques!!

That was me at 8:30 not Token

Tom

21 Sep 12 at 8:51 am
Jacques!!

That was me at 8:30 and 8:51 not Token and Tom

JamesK

21 Sep 12 at 8:52 am
The Devil and Jens Weidmann

Head of Bundesbank says money printing is the devil’s work, or at least monetary policy in the service of State objectives.

Keith

21 Sep 12 at 9:23 am
Site caching is all over the place. You have to post a new comment to coax the site back to the real-time present.

Tom

21 Sep 12 at 9:25 am
test

Tom

21 Sep 12 at 9:55 am
Hey JC,

Do you have any more lifestyle tips for me, please? I’m in desperate need of them, as you know.

I must say, You, Gab and CL are absolute legends, I’m just so in awe of the three of you.

BTW, SfB really needs to get out of his bondage dungeon and smell the roses.

I also take back what I said about R Money in the other thread – he’s going to make a fantastic President, about a trillion times better than Obama.

Anyway, I have to go and make some money, I just so love being a capitalist.

m0nty

21 Sep 12 at 10:04 am
Monty, be good to your mother. If you run a business, don’t support communists. There. Simple.

Tom

21 Sep 12 at 10:07 am

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