Wednesday Forum: September 26, 2012 at Catallaxy Files

Wednesday Forum: September 26, 2012

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Dead Soul

26 Sep 12 at 7:44 am
Janet Albrechtsen in The Australian today:

Back home, ABC Radio National’s breakfast radio host Geraldine Doogue fell into the now familiar morass of moral relativism found at our public broadcaster. Talking about the protesters here, she mentioned “warnings that we mustn’t give oxygen to people who are consciously provocative”. Then, pointing to the publication of the French cartoons, Doogue said, “It’s the same thing, isn’t it?” No, Geraldine, it’s not the same thing. Not by a long shot. The protesters picked up planks of wood to beat our police. They brought violence to the streets of Sydney. The French cartoonist drew a picture. Doogue might instead have explored the irony, not to mention hypocrisy, of radical Muslims who bleat about their feelings being hurt by a film or a cartoon while expressing their own right to free speech, demanding death to infidels.

blogstrop

26 Sep 12 at 7:46 am
Good news for me because it highlights a marked shift in our understanding of what brains are and what they do. While everyone thinks of neurons and cognition, outside the field most are unware that white matter, that fatty sheath that surrounds axons, is not only critical for cerebral health but also critical for cerebral function. It is so important that the brain manufactures its own cholesterol, which constitutes a large chunk of myelin.

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-09-white-dogs.html
White matter, old dogs, and new tricks

Dead Soul

26 Sep 12 at 7:50 am
Bill Whittle tells an interesting story about a company that is working to make space tourism a reality.

Unfortunately, the story highlights the stupidity of big government and the people who vote for it.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 8:01 am
The hubris and naivity of Obama is shocking and scary.

The NYT has a piece on the events in Egypt over the past 2 years and in it the arrogance of Obama that he could bluff his way through is startling.

Powerline summarises it well:

This critical look by the New York Times at President Obama’s responses to the “Arab Spring” is very much worth reading. It describes the “hard lesson[] the president ha[s] learned over almost two years of political turmoil in the Arab world” as follows: “bold words and support for democratic aspirations are not enough to engender good will in this region, especially not when hampered by America’s own national security interests.”

How is it that an American president didn’t know this from the beginning? The explanation, the Times makes clear, resides in Obama’s megalomania. Thus, the Times finds that Obama’s “handling of the uprisings demonstrates the gap between the two poles of his political persona: his sense of himself as a historic bridge-builder who could redeem America’s image abroad, and his more cautious adherence to long-term American interests in security and cheap oil.”

Token

26 Sep 12 at 8:09 am
Suck on this Chomsky. Innate grammar module, what a steaming pile of shit that was.
Language Use Is Simpler Than Previously Thought, Study Suggests

Dead Soul

26 Sep 12 at 8:10 am
Embitted, irrelevant ol’ marxist mediocrity reminisces:

I can recall days when I was in the cabinet room at various cabinet, SPBC and committee meetings from around 8am to almost midnight…

Fat lot of good it did.

The quote above is a vision of hell of earth, being trapped in a room with those disgusting, drooling cretins.

Rabz

26 Sep 12 at 8:26 am
The Ozdraylian epicentre of lobotomised greenslime lunacy experiences “change”:

LAYBORE’S darcy byrne was last night elected mayor of Leichhardt council…

Bwahahahahahahahahahah!!!!

Rabz

26 Sep 12 at 8:41 am
Another well received speech by the Chosen One at the UN. TOTUS was in fine form. Finally a defence of Freedom of Speech, however late and begrudging.

Our ABC has been telling me that Foreign Affairs is one of Obama’s strengths. Given the weakness of his response to the Benghazi attack and the murder of his ambassador, the sooner that he is turfed out the better.

Cold-Hands

26 Sep 12 at 8:41 am
Did it never occur to Tanner and co that they were doing it wrong?

The Labor fools must have bought into the line that an executive must be stressed out and overworked.

If you’re spending over 14 hours in meetings every day, by definition you’re doing it wrong. No wonder there were so many bad decisions coming down the pike.

If that’s how bad things were when they were a new government and full of zeal, imagine how bad things are now. What’s the bet they don’t even bother meeting anymore – clearly the scatter-brained strategy would suggest the only communication is through ‘get abbott’ memos.

brc

26 Sep 12 at 8:49 am
Mark Cuban has an interesting view of the US election scenario

Aussieute

26 Sep 12 at 9:29 am
This graph is a tad scary

I’d hate to think what it would look like in Australia with all the green requirements, the local government diatribe, the carbon Dioxide tax, adding to the direct cost of compliance / regulation line.

Aussieute

26 Sep 12 at 9:35 am
Thank you again Dead Soul for the links to those articles.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 9:39 am
This graph is a tad scary

Quite so.

Very scary.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 10:06 am
Having trouble with the link button, so here is the link that I want to use.

http://youngconservativeau.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/exclusive-labor-caught-out-spreading.html

Apparently Labor has set up a facebook page posing as concerned high school kids. Worth a look.

dianeh

26 Sep 12 at 10:16 am
Any laws broken in this scam, DianeH?
Yes.
Will the Libs demand the coppers do their jobs?
No.
Why not?
Someone might call them meanies….bunch of gutless bastards.

Winston SMITH

26 Sep 12 at 10:24 am
Suck on this Chomsky. Innate grammar module, what a steaming pile of shit that was.

So, he’s wrong about linguistics and he’s wrong about politics. He is wrong about everything.

Dangph

26 Sep 12 at 10:32 am
Winston, I think the same. Why in the hell arent the Libs going after those that do things like this? They all cant be gutless bastards. Maybe its a question of money. But at the least, one of them should get on the tele and highlight it to the general population. Your are right, they are gutless.

Kids coming across that facebook page will of course believe it. Ive noticed (from my lovely teenage nieces) that teenagers are not big in the research dept and are a pretty gullible lot, believing what they read on Facebook.

dianeh

26 Sep 12 at 10:34 am
So, he’s wrong about linguistics and he’s wrong about politics. He is wrong about everything.

Of course, he is a social scientist.

Dead Soul

26 Sep 12 at 10:35 am
The waste. The hubris. The insanity.

PUBLIC schools were discouraged from using $3.5 billion in Building the Education Revolution funds [for NSW] to replace outdated demountable classrooms or ageing toilets and told to build “iconic” libraries or halls…
Education Minister Adrian Piccoli claimed yesterday…

“They had to build new buildings. They didn’t want to build toilets because what Labor MP wants to open a toilet,” [Education Minister Adrian] Piccoli said.

The former project director of the BER in NSW, Angus Dawson, backed Mr Piccoli’s version of events, saying: “The … guidelines would not have allowed us to do backlog maintenance in schools.”…

Mr Piccoli pointed to a 2010 email from education department deputy director-general Hugo Harmstorf to a Treasury official which said: ”New toilets or administration blocks do not have a sufficient degree of iconicness.”

h/t Bolt.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 10:46 am
Regarding social science and its uses and failings, I’d like anyone interested in the long thread that has been continuing regarding same sex marriage under the “Senator Louise Pratt” rubric to have access to the study published in Journal of Social Science Research which has been the subject of debate on the later part of that thread. I have put my longer comments on this research there, where this paragraph also contains the link:

Further to the question raised by Jarrah about the sampling used in the first major population-based study of adult children’s experience of a gay milieu, and in the interests of clarity and good faith, here is the link to the original study by Regeris published in the Journal of Social Science Research.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

26 Sep 12 at 10:48 am
”New toilets or administration blocks do not have a sufficient degree of iconicness.”

Liberty quote.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 10:48 am
Madonna: vote for ‘black Muslim’ Obama

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 10:50 am
New toilets or administration blocks do not have a sufficient degree of iconicness.

True, true. Toilets are not iconic enough. What they need to do is build a giant cesspool.

Dangph

26 Sep 12 at 10:53 am
“PRIME Minister Julia Gillard says she has recovered from an upset stomach ahead of her address to the United Nations General Assembly.”

Reminds me, the “upset stomach” brothel supporter Thomson had and kept him from facing questions over his carnal escapades, how the devil is Thomson these days? What’s he up to?

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 10:57 am
I know people have criticised me for arguing that the one Greenie concern that I suspect is not entirely without merit is GM food.

This Nature report on the recent French study (by an admittedly biased group) that raised questions about GM maize and cancer notes all of the criticism of the study, but I remain surprised that it says:

An earlier test of NK603 maize in rats in a 90-day feeding trial — the current regulatory norm — sponsored by Monsanto showed no adverse effects3.

That’s all you have to do? Feed rats your GM modified food for 90 days and everything in A-OK?

My objection to GM food is based on the following:

1. how genes work is not well understood at all. (Consider, for example, recent report that”junk DNA” seems to have a point after all)

2. getting new genes into food is an imprecise activity. When I last raised this here, several people were not aware that literally blasting them into cells was one prominent way of doing it. It’s nothing like a surgical procedure where you know exactly what is going on at the cellular level

3. the point of many GM modifications is to enable farming practices that obviously have ecological risks – most notably, being able to poor heaps of herbicide around your food crops without harming them. This is, in fact, the point of the GM modification in the maize in question. This was predicted by Greenies at the start to be a good way to develop weeds with herbicide resistance – and this indeed is happening and is a serious problem. The “arms race” approach – to now GM food to resist stronger herbicides, is just a further escalation of a pretty obviously bad idea in the first place.

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 10:58 am
Regarding social science and its uses and failings

Oh don’t worry Liz there is hardly a week that goes by where I don’t read something which challenges conventional biological wisdom. I’m sick of it, reading all those bloody difficult papers only to realise that the majority are wrong in some sense, that it is near impossible to extrapolate from those studies, that even ORAC values(measures of antioxidant capacity) are near useless for determining what actually happens in the body. And lo and behold, for all the focus on amines in the CNS, the one most common denominator in all neuropathologies is loss of inhibitory control(GABA, there is an obvious explanation to that but it wasn’t obvious to me until I contacted a GABA researcher). Now we are seeing studies showing that high antioxidant intake may shorten life, that omega 3′s aren’t that good after all, and aspirin may be the single best thing we can do prevent some cancers. WTF!

On bionet.neuroscience, a long time ago, a neuroscientist who did his Ph. D. in QM mentioned how we goes back to visit his physicist mates and tells me that he can’t achieve replication in his experiments. His physicist mates state he must be doing his experiments wrong, which highlights how ignorant they are about the problems involved in biology and the social sciences. We are told replication is vital but the simple truth is replication in these fields is extremely difficult and many people from the hard sciences simply can’t get their head around this. There is a huge methodological problem here and it is extremely difficult to address. So good luck to you because we all need that.

Dead Soul

26 Sep 12 at 10:58 am
…how the devil is Thomson these days? What’s he up to?

He’s still alive? The love media said he was on the verge of jumping off a cliff.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 10:59 am
Damn. SFB has found the new thread, Wots he on about now?

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 11:00 am
New toilets or administration blocks do not have a sufficient degree of iconicness.

This will not do!
I give you “iconicity”
.

blogstrop

26 Sep 12 at 11:01 am
I should not have said “the one Greenie concern”. I should have added “the one controversial Greenie concern”. Their concern about climate change, is, of course, entirely justified and is not controversial.

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 11:02 am
I wasn’t aware anyone cared about your amateur-hour views on GM food, Steve.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 11:02 am
“iconicity”
.

a vision of toilet blocks used to build a new city. Each one has Gillard’s picture on it.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 11:03 am
It’s science-y talk, CL: not your thang.

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 11:04 am
There’s an article in the SMH about something Turnbull said that has no relation whatsoever to his portfolio. What is interesting is the “Senior Correspondent” refers to Turnbull as the “former Liberal leader”. lol So transparent.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 11:12 am
“former Liberal leader”

In perpetuity.

Rabz

26 Sep 12 at 11:16 am
Mark Cuban has an interesting view of the US election scenario

If the economic plans are viewed in isolation from the plans for deregulation and tort reform the statements Mark Cuban makes would be true.

Have a look at the post I made at 8:01am from Mark Whittle on why the 2 parties are not the same and anyone who is playing the equivalency game is in fact just shilling from the Democratic Party.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 11:16 am
Always wondered about the Younger Dryas- 13,00o years BP. This may provide some answers:

http://phys.org/news/2012-09-theory-impact-event-years.html

New research findings published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) are consistent with a controversial theory that an extraterrestrial body – such as a comet – impacted the Earth approximately 12,900 years ago, possibly contributing to the significant climatic and ecological changes that date to that time period.

Dead Soul

26 Sep 12 at 11:17 am
Steve,

Notice how we have a Ph D in biology and he just ignores you?

We ought to follow his example and also ignore your asinine claims about economics.

.

26 Sep 12 at 11:18 am
”New toilets or administration blocks do not have a sufficient degree of iconicness.”

Wow.

I remember that in the early ’90s when Kennett was taking on the Vic public sector unions he used a few examples of bureaucratic hubris like this to fend of the “nasty” tag.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 11:19 am
Your ALPBC celebrates a “book” full of anti scientific fact and evidence free hysteria that has led directly to the (preventable) deaths of millions of third world peons.

Rabz

26 Sep 12 at 11:20 am
Just listening to the Joint Intelligence and Security Committee holding an inquiry into potential reforms of National Security Legislation – the one where they want providers to keep our communications for two years. They are now stating that five years is preferable.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 11:20 am
Oh and their motives are just “honest and pure”.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 11:21 am
a pretty obviously bad idea in the first place.

Ever spent a good part of your childhood chipping fucking weeds because you couldn’t spray them?

lotocoti

26 Sep 12 at 11:23 am
Inspector Rabz, can you give us an update on your investigation of the Jill Meagher disappearance?

SteveC

26 Sep 12 at 11:28 am
Inspector Rabz, can you give us an update on your investigation of the Jill Meagher disappearance?

Only if you give us an update on what happened to Chris Stevens’ body given you believed Hilary Clinton’s statement that Stevens’ body was simply being transported to the hospital.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 11:30 am
I wonder if any of our US friends can confirm if this is true – that Romney was denied access to World leaders at the UN

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3ff_1348605633

Mike

Mike of Marion

26 Sep 12 at 11:32 am
Judith Sloan:

ON Monday, I wondered whether Wayne Swan was just having a bad day when he declared there was still some room for growth in the public service.

Yesterday, I decided Penny Wong and Gary Gray must also have had a very bad day. They declared there would be an additional $550 million in savings over the forward estimates to make the public service more efficient. But strangely they nominated savings that accounted for less than half that sum ($212m). And the big-ticket item? Reductions in air-travel spending, including restrictions on business-class flights ($120m over four years).

You will also be pleased to know that the government intends to save $2m a year by moving to online job-advertising. I’m not quite sure why we needed to be informed of this, given that the government’s annual outlays now amount to $365 billion.

The impact of the government’s imposed “efficiency dividend” and now the “super efficiency dividend” (4 per cent, up from 1 1/2 per cent) has been to force departments to cut staff numbers and to stall recruitment. This is not necessarily a bad thing, although using a one-size-fits-all directive is a very bad way to go to achieve greater efficiency in public service delivery.

And when Wong says the government is not cutting front-line jobs, that would be because it does not employ many people in such roles. The states are overwhelmingly responsible for the delivery of human services. Her contribution is merely to state the bleeding obvious.

Then there are whole departments that could be eliminated for considerable net public gain. Surely we do not need a separate Department of Climate Change? We already have the Environment Department.

And most of what the Department of Health and Ageing does simply looks like duplicated effort with the states. After all, this department does not run any hospitals or employ any clinical staff — just conducts lots of meetings and produces reports.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 11:32 am
“Apparently Labor has set up a facebook page posing as concerned high school kids. Worth a look.

almost sounds like paedophlia, posing as a young person to get the trust of a kid.

candy

26 Sep 12 at 11:37 am
Howard Stern contributors Sal and Richard travel to Harlem to interview Obama supporters and ask them why they are voting for Obama.

Because we want to know.

Ellen of Tasmania

26 Sep 12 at 11:38 am
Yes Candy, you’re right. It’s called ‘grooming’.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 11:39 am
Apparently Labor has set up a facebook page posing as concerned high school kids. Worth a look.

What is really interesting about this is that this sounds like some deflection from the NSW Teachers Union.

Talking with NSW Teacher friends they were really angry about the lack of money for texts in the schools.

They noted it in context with the money wasted on thought bubble programs at Head Office (their words) over the life of Labor. They noted they’d been talking with their union reps about it but getting no traction.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 11:39 am
And in case you missed it – posing as an anti-business crusader, Peter Schiff found a number of DNC delegates and attendees who support explicitly outlawing profitability.

Ellen of Tasmania

26 Sep 12 at 11:41 am
Well well well, looky here: Pole warms, melts, cools; rinse repeat for eons.

“This new core provides the best record of climate events on the peninsula going back at least 20,000 years, and may extend back as far as 50,000 years. From this new data a team of researchers has constructed the most detailed history of climate on the Antarctic Peninsula known to science and it has revealed a number of interesting things. Most important of these is the fact that this area undergoes bouts of rapid warming periodically and that things were at least as warm on the peninsula 2,000 years ago. So much for “unprecedented” warming on the Antarctic Peninsula.”

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 11:41 am
Speaking of Obama, Intrade has his chance of being re-elected up to 72.6%, Romney 27.1%.

Obama’s chances have been increasing.

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 11:42 am
I wonder if any of our US friends can confirm if this is true – that Romney was denied access to World leaders at the UN

I wouldn’t worry Mike.

None of the professional survivors at the UN is going to stand by Obama and risk p**sing off Romeny if he is going to win. They will not be depending on polls, they have a vested interest to know.

It will be happening in the background and if you see a flood of endorsements/photo ops from world leaders you can be sure the polling # are bulls**t.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 11:43 am
We are told replication is vital but the simple truth is replication in these fields is extremely difficult and many people from the hard sciences simply can’t get their head around this.

There was an interesting EconTalk podcast recently that explored replicablility issues in the social sciences.

http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2012/06/yong_on_science.html

(Podcasts are great I don’t understand why they are not a more popular medium. You can listen to them to fill in dead time. I listen to them while cooking or driving.)

Dangph

26 Sep 12 at 11:45 am
Notice how we have a Ph D in biology and he just ignores you?

We ought to follow his example and also ignore your asinine claims about economics.

Sounds like a policy I’ve already implemented.

I did pose the question multiple times to him why, if Global Warming is such a threat, does he not follow George Monbiot’s lead and back the only real clean green energy – Nuclear?

He has ignored the question each time.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 11:47 am
NSW ALP sets up fake facebook accounts?

They are like sexual predators. Wait, “like”?

They ought to be banished from office for 30 years after they stop these shenanigans.

.

26 Sep 12 at 11:50 am
As Real Climate wrote about that Antarctic paper in August, Gab:

Century scale warming trends comparable to that of the last century have happened before, without any influence from humans, and if we didn’t have any data other than this one ice core, we really couldn’t say much more than that.

What’s missing from this argument, of course, is that we do have other data. For one thing, recent rapid warming in Antarctica isn’t limited to the Peninsula. Whatever you may have read in some quarters, the borehole temperature data from WAIS Divide show definitively that West Antarctica is warming too — and in recent decades at least, the rate has been comparable to that on the Peninsula. More importantly, warming is occurring on the Peninsula at the same time that most of rest of the planet is warming. As the figure illustrates, in the Southern Hemisphere that warming has been nearly monotonic since about 1920, whether one is talking about the Southern Hemisphere as a whole (top panel of the figure), at James Ross Island (bottom panel), or at Orcadas in the South Orkney Islands, the one and only location south of 60°S that has a century long instrumental temperature record. This makes it much harder to argue that it is merely “local variability” that explains the recent warming trends. The James Ross Island results thus add yet one more bit of evidence to what we already knew: global warming is.. well, global.

They go on to note that also confounding attribution in Antarctica is the ozone hole, which generally makes it cooler, although it may also have brought warmer air down to the Peninsula.

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 11:51 am
They dun tol’ us if we didn’t give them mo’ money we’d see more tornadoes. They lied.

tornado events in the U.S. in 2012 have dropped well below the expected normal. The preliminary total of 757 tornadoes is about 400 tornadoes below what might be expected in a typical year. This chart shows that in late 2011, the annual running total was over 400 tornadoes above normal. This depicts the dramatic variability that can occur in tornado numbers from one year to the next.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/25/al-gores-dirty-weather-timing-is-impeccable-noaa-just-released-data-showing-2012-tornado-count-dropping-like-a-house-in-oz/

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 11:51 am
Ellen,

What was scary was how gung ho they were about it.

.

26 Sep 12 at 11:53 am
He has ignored the question each time.

In fact, I am a cautious supporter of nuclear, but consider that priority in its use should be to new designs with high passive safety. I am unconvinced that enough work has been done to see the best way to roll out nuclear rapidly and economically. It therefore remains an open question whether it is really appropriate for Australia to go down that path yet.

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 11:54 am
Most important of these is the fact that this area undergoes bouts of rapid warming periodically and that things were at least as warm on the peninsula 2,000 years ago.

LOL. So according to science, the warmenist hysteria about da pole is officially crap.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 11:55 am
In an all-out, no holds barred attempt to win the next election, Julia Gillard’s new imported chief dirt digger, John McTernan, has instructed the ALP’s media department to, “pull no punches” and “let’s have a concerted attack on critics”.

At least one person is not happy with the instructions given her: “I have always voted Labor”, she said, “but this seems a bit un-Australian to discredit people who disagree with us.”

I was contacted late on Tuesday by a female member of the PM’s staff concerned at the type of instructions given by one of McTernan’s offsiders. “He was talking about stuff saying that it didn’t matter if it wasn’t quite true. He was implying that if we couldn’t get dirt on opponents, we should make some up and start blogging. He told us to complain to Facebook all at once using our home PCs and to set up multiple blogs linking them all together. We weren’t actually told to lie but that’s what I took it to mean anyway.”

Expect this sort of thing to intensify closer to the election.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 12:06 pm
So good luck to you because we all need that.

Ta, DS. I gave up medical epidemiology ten years ago even though I was rather good at it, and genetics too: HD’s from med faculty in old sandstone university followed by research possibilities in US. I had other things to do with my life at the time and I’d had enough of the problems inherent in such research anyway..

Still an interested bystander though, but perhaps getting rusty on the details where I was once crash hot. Social sciences in Australia are largely ignorant of and/or dismissive of the methodology of statistical sciences. A yawning gulf.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

26 Sep 12 at 12:08 pm
The counter-attack:
The hide of that Lindsay Tanner; talking about things that happened over two years ago!

blogstrop

26 Sep 12 at 12:14 pm
The hide of that Lindsay Tanner; talking about things that happened over two years ago!

LOL.

They’re all lining up today with their McTernan scripts rubbishing the man formerly known as “party elder statesman” Lindsey Tanner.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 12:16 pm
The hide of that Lindsay Tanner; talking about things that happened over two years ago!

Since the dregs of the middle class stole the party from the cream of the working class what else have Labor warriors to left to do then hate and plot revenge?

Token

26 Sep 12 at 12:24 pm
Eco thugs about to destroy Crete in the name of green energy.

Here.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 12:26 pm
In fact, I am a cautious supporter of nuclear, but consider that priority in its use should be to new designs with high passive safety. I am unconvinced that enough work has been done to see the best way to roll out nuclear rapidly and economically.

A valid statement. Considering all the points you raise, why do you back renewables which fail on the very important criteria you state?

Token

26 Sep 12 at 12:26 pm
that raised questions about GM maize and cancer notes all of the criticism of the study, but I remain surprised that it says:

Regarding that study:

From the abstract:

In treated males, liver congestions and necrosis were 2.5–5.5 times higher. This pathology was confirmed by optic and transmission electron microscopy. Marked and severe kidney nephropathies were also generally 1.3–2.3 greater. Males presented 4 times more large palpable tumors than controls which occurred up to 600 days earlier. Biochemistry data confirmed very significant kidney chronic deficiencies; for all treatments and both sexes, 76% of the altered parameters were kidney related. These results can be explained by the non linear endocrine-disrupting effects of Roundup, but also by the overexpression of the transgene in the GMO and its metabolic consequences.

My analysis here is off the top but I suspect that if this GM species was that dangerous shouldn’t it have become more apparent in the general popn by now? Does the USA have higher rates of cancer than in countries where GM is banned? Or kidney and liver problems? It seems to me their data is so pronounced as to disqualify itself. But I would appreciate the input of DOT and Lizzie on this.

Dead Soul

26 Sep 12 at 12:30 pm
In fact, I am a cautious supporter of nuclear,

LOL. recall all the bed-wetting and catastrophising the Prophet of Doom subjected this site to during the Fukushima non-melt down.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 12:30 pm
Costello skewers Goose (again).

On Friday, Swan fronted a business audience with this claim in a prepared speech: ”Let’s be blunt and acknowledge the biggest threat to the world’s biggest economy are [sic] the cranks and crazies that have taken over a part of the Republican Party.”

First the good news. The Greek default and fragility of the euro is no longer much of a problem. Nor is the $US16 trillion of US federal debt. China’s currency, long a preoccupation in Washington, can be put in perspective. And in a week when Islamist militants murdered the US ambassador in Benghazi, just remember who constitutes the greatest threat to the US: the cranks and crazies in the US Republican Party.

…Swan blames the Republicans for not increasing taxes. But US legislators frequently cross party lines. Earlier this year, 19 Democrats voted with Republicans to oppose a tax rise proposed by their own party. It isn’t as simple as Democrat v Republican; good v evil.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 12:30 pm
LOL. recall all the bed-wetting and catastrophising the Prophet of Doom subjected this site to during the Fukushima non-melt down.

LOL, yes, good times, good times.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 12:34 pm
Forget lindsay bloody tanner – what about this limelight deprived ol’ dinosaur?

FORMER prime monster malcolm “pantsoff” fraser last night warned of the “major danger” that the US could start a war against China.

Rabz

26 Sep 12 at 12:35 pm
I must say, I’m enjoying the links provided by Dead Soul and the discourse between he and Lizzie. keep it up. Hopefully Dot will join in soon. Interesting stuff.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 12:36 pm
NSW ALP sets up fake facebook accounts?

They are like sexual predators. Wait, “like”?

They ought to be banished from office for 30 years after they stop these shenanigans.

Bolta has noted it was endorsed by NSW Labor.

With Labor’s history (to this week) of having MPs charged & convicted on child sex / kiddie porn charges you would think they’d show some prudence about approaching children across the internet.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 12:37 pm
Front page spread of the New York Post has a picture of Ahmadinejad giving the peace salute with the headline:

<blockquote>A’jad flashes “love” at UN but spews anti-Israel hate.
Peace of sh!t.

Jihad forthcoming.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 12:42 pm
Inspector Rabz, can you give us an update on your investigation of the Jill Meagher disappearance?

Homicide squad chief John Potplant described Tuesday afternoon’s search of the home (the third in as many days) as routine.

“There are two options – either she’s found a hiding place in the flat we can’t detect, or she’s not there.”

“Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m late for a gathering of the squad at Kripsy Kreme’s.”

Interview ends.

Rabz

26 Sep 12 at 12:42 pm
New toilets or administration blocks do not have a sufficient degree of iconicness

Coutts-Trotter was Director-General of the NSW Department of Education and Training while this massive waste of money and opportunity was allowed to proceed.

So why was he rewarded by Barry O’Farrell with a new role as Director-General of the newly created NSW Department of Finance and Services? And why is he still occupying this position?

Septimus

26 Sep 12 at 12:47 pm
In fact, I am a cautious supporter of nuclear, but consider that priority in its use should be to new designs with high passive safety.

A nation listens, grateful and fascinated.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 12:49 pm
Obama to the UNGA:

‘The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam’

This is the man-child’s first speech to the Muslim world after rabble hoisted Al-Queda flags over six of embassies and murdered his diplomatic staff including an ambassador.

He’s so fucking cringeworthy, inept and dangerous.

JamesK

26 Sep 12 at 12:52 pm
Penny Wong perhaps being a little mischievous about her big spending crackdown.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

26 Sep 12 at 12:54 pm
SfB translated:
I am a cautious supporter of nuclear = don’t forget I’m allegedly conservative!
Priority in its use = this should stymie it
High passive safety = leave them turned off

blogstrop

26 Sep 12 at 12:55 pm
Hyphen-Trotters was Director-General of the NSW Department of Education and Training while this massive waste of money and opportunity was allowed to proceed.

So why was he rewarded by Fatty O’Barrell with a new role as Director-General of the newly created NSW Department of Finance and Services? And why is he still occupying this position?

Excellent questions.

Hyphen-Trotters is of course, tanya dillbeserk’s husband and a convicted heroin trafficker.

Rabz

26 Sep 12 at 1:01 pm
In fact, I am a cautious supporter of nuclear, but consider that priority in its use should be to new designs with high passive safety.

Considering the scale of the crisis and the urgency you continually note to us Steve’s, why don’t you put your full weight into lobbying to have the funds inefficiently allocated to renewables?

When you consider the projected ability of renewable to provide energy against the real energy consumption requirements of this continent, no amount of wonderful statements of hope addresses the fact that with existing and likely technology, renewables will not fill Australia’s energy needs.

[Link to ABARE provided]

It would seem a better use of resources and actually be a fulfilment of the precautionary principle.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 1:08 pm
…put your full weight into lobbying to have the funds inefficiently allocated to renewables to making nuclear safe?

Token

26 Sep 12 at 1:11 pm
Front page spread of the New York Post has a picture of Ahmageddinebad giving the peace salute with the headline…

Gab – Ha! Just saw it, bloody awesome.

Rabz

26 Sep 12 at 1:18 pm
Hyphen-Trotters was Director-General of the NSW Department of Education and Training while this massive waste of money and opportunity was allowed to proceed.

So why was he rewarded by Fatty O’Barrell with a new role as Director-General of the newly created NSW Department of Finance and Services? And why is he still occupying this position?

Excellent questions.

Hyphen-Trotters is of course, tanya dillbeserk’s husband and a convicted heroin trafficker.

Lessons from the north:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/elections/campbell-newman-orders-anna-blighs-husband-greg-withers-to-kill-green-schemes/story-fnbsqt8f-1226311864712

Ivan Denisovich

26 Sep 12 at 1:23 pm
Bill Clinton – building cultural bridges:

You cannot live in a shame-based world. You won’t make it in the 21st century

Now y’all musselmen better be listening to Bubba, ’cause he knows what he is talking about.

Ol’ Bubba – he ain’t got NO shame. He’s a hound dog !!

Myrrdin Seren

26 Sep 12 at 1:28 pm
funds inefficiently allocated to renewables to making nuclear safe?

Given we have one reactor, we don’t have much say in this, do we? Nearly all of the expertise needed is overseas.

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 1:29 pm
inefficiently allocated to renewables ~~to making nuclear safe~~

to installing substantial nuclear capacity.

The funds in the CEFC would fully fund a few GW of nuclear power capacity.

Driftforge

26 Sep 12 at 1:29 pm
Hyphen-Trotters is of course, tanya dillbeserk’s husband and a convicted heroin trafficker.

Is that right?

Yet another ALP political marriage that’s hidden from view by the lack of common surname.

How many is that now? ALP members who are married to high level public servants and operatives but obscure their relationship I mean.

….

And so it is:

Michael Coutts-Trotter has a year remaining on his five-year contract. But Adrian Piccoli, NSW’s new Education Minister, said the position needed to be advertised and filled by someone with a background in education.

The former minister, John Della-Bosca, parachuted Mr Coutts-Trotter into the job, which was not advertised, in April 2007.

Mr Piccoli said his decision to replace Mr Coutts-Trotter, who is married to federal Labor MP Tanya Plibersek, was not simply because of his close Labor connections.

Mr Coutts-Trotter’s rise through the public service since starting work for Mr Egan as a press secretary in 1996 is even more remarkable because he is a rehabilitated drug addict; he served two years and nine months of a nine-year jail sentence for selling heroin.

The ALP: Putting convicted heroin dealers in charge of education, putting their wives in charge of Health.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/blogs/learning-curve/first-head-rolls-in-nsw-public-service-its-an-education-20110329-1ce0v.html

twostix

26 Sep 12 at 1:30 pm
Seriously. What does this woman know about the trials and tribulations of being a worker?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/elections/queensland-opposition-leader-urges-wider-talent-pool-for-labor/story-fnbsqt8f-1226311821797

By rights, the ALP ought to be extincted in about 5 years.

.

26 Sep 12 at 1:31 pm
Lefty Slate officially dumps reverence for free speech.

The World Doesn’t Love the First Amendment
The vile anti-Muslim video shows that the U.S. overvalues free speech.

Via Ace.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 1:35 pm
As if by divine intervention, the revoltingly sacrilegious “Piss Christ” portrait will be going on display this Thursday at a ritzy Manhattan gallery right around the corner from the annual gathering of the United Nations General Assembly…

Read on for an interesting commentary – Celebrating blasphemy in Manhattan…

Rabz

26 Sep 12 at 1:41 pm
Coutts-Trotter was Director-General of the NSW Department of Education and Training while this massive waste of money and opportunity was allowed to proceed.

So why was he rewarded by Barry O’Farrell with a new role as Director-General of the newly created NSW Department of Finance and Services?

That’s a question that answers itself. O’Farrell is just labor without the unions, and with a bit of fascistic law and order biffo.

dd

26 Sep 12 at 1:41 pm
By rights, the OLP ought to be extincted in about 5 years

Extinctification by the end of next year will do just fine…

Rabz

26 Sep 12 at 1:42 pm
Dead Soul

I’d make a comment but I can’t see their data analysis.

C.L. – Posner is right. There is no explicit right to general free speech in Australia. We’re a bloody ally! Furthermore he is just showing the left and right (Statists) don’t really care about freedom. I think he’s tapping the Fergusonian theme that freedom is ephemeral, rare and is a freak of history.

.

26 Sep 12 at 1:44 pm
People probably wonder what qualifications Coutts-Trotter had to be Director-General of the NSW Department of Education and Training and now Director-General of the NSW Department of Finance and Services.

Let’s see:

Coutts-Trotter matriculated from Saint Ignatius’ College, Riverview and the University of Technology, Sydney, with a degree in journalism.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 1:45 pm
Given we have one reactor, we don’t have much say in this, do we? Nearly all of the expertise needed is overseas.

That has not stopped Australians spending amazing amount of private and public funds duplicating the experience with renewables overseas.

Let’s face it, imagine how far we could have got if we had not funded that Hot Rocks thought bubble and spent the money to research the best and the worst nuclear safety safety techniques from across the world.

France has the largest penetration of nuclear energy and rarely if ever do we hear any concerns. Their big government types must be doing something correct. Lessons could’ve been learned and controlled research facilities set up.

If you know anything about research into curing cancer you’d know that there are registered sites using testing using highly toxic and nuclear material across Australia.

I’ve been to a few sites in surburban Brisbane.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 1:46 pm
That’s a question that answers itself. O’Farrell is just labor without the unions, and with a bit of fascistic law and order biffo.

Unfortunately I agree.

The NSW Police have handled themselves very professionally lately (Particularly in relation to rioters). Even boofhead Hadley was asking the Commish to divulge tactical information…idiot, the Army would tell you to fuck off given the same sort of questioning. There is always some conformist loon dialing up that wants national service and legalised police brutality ala Sir Joh on talkback these days.

The cops are well armed. I’m pretty sure they can handle stuff short of paramilitaries.

.

26 Sep 12 at 1:48 pm
Extinctification by the end of next year will do just fine.

Rabzie, it’s fitting that the Labor Party and its Green Left court eunuchs at Fairfax may well be able to set off for Atlantis simultaneously.

Tom

26 Sep 12 at 1:51 pm
Coutts-Trotter matriculated from Saint Ignatius’ College, Riverview and the University of Technology, Sydney, with a degree in journalism.

Ah journalism graduates, is there anything they can’t do? (Except sell Newspapers).

twostix

26 Sep 12 at 1:51 pm
I never get sick of reading the story about Blighs husband being made to dismantle all his schemes. The douche and slander-throwing wife had their tickets to Paris all booked, she quit less than 12 hours after her historical electoral defeat, everything was set to go.

Except that he didn’t get his massive payout. He didn’t even get time off. No, he had to report in for duty on Monday, and start dismantling all his ALP make-work schemes.

It’s a story which needs to be told through the ages.

brc

26 Sep 12 at 1:54 pm
That’s a question that answers itself. O’Farrell is just labor without the unions, and with a bit of fascistic law and order biffo.

It says he has a five year contract and I suppose O”Farrell the coward had to do something with him, so why not put him in charge of the Dept of Finance?

Makes perfect sense.

twostix

26 Sep 12 at 1:55 pm
Agreed.

Mr Swan told reporters in Townsville Labor’s achievements in government had been “quite remarkable”.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 1:57 pm
DD

I think you forget just how much of a mess the ALP left in NSW. It is goinbg to take two terms to clean it up. And you don’t get two terms by being a biffo right-winger.

Lots of lovely cuts are being made in the bloated education and health portfolios. That is a start.

They are forcing the Couuts character, like Bligh’s bloke, to implement Lib policies, so why are you worried? They are rubbing his fascistic little nose in it. WHen his contract’s up, no-one will employ the little shit.

Rococo Liberal

26 Sep 12 at 2:02 pm
‘They go on to note that also confounding attribution in Antarctica is the ozone hole, which generally makes it cooler …. ‘ steve from brisbane.
There’s nothing confounding about the temperature trend in Antarctica; in fact the is nothing happening at all since it has been dead flat since, according to the IPCC, human CO2 emissions have been probably likely responsible for over half of …… nothing.
Just to ruin his day (knowing how alarmists love to wallow in impending doom) there is nothing happening to the Arctic T trend that hasn’t happened before in the instrumental record.

manalive

26 Sep 12 at 2:02 pm
It says he has a five year contract and I suppose O”Farrell the coward had to do something with him, so why not put him in charge of the Dept of Finance?

I’m sure a truly embarrassing/shitty position in the Withers mould could have been found for him if Barry O F’all wasn’t a castrato.

Ivan Denisovich

26 Sep 12 at 2:05 pm
It’s a story which needs to be told through the ages.

lol, brc. And you just gave us a great template for telling it again and again. Ta.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

26 Sep 12 at 2:10 pm
a truly embarrassing/shitty position in the Withers mould

Maaate.

O’Farrell should have cleaned out the Labor acolytes from senior positions in the NSW Public Sector. That he has not done so will come back to bite him.

Septimus

26 Sep 12 at 2:19 pm
Obama versus Romney – the cartoon:

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/09/fair-fight/

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 2:23 pm
~~Two years, five years…~~

Police want phone, web data kept indefinitely.

But he told the inquiry in Sydney that police would “ideally” prefer the information be held by telecommunication companies indefinitely, so it could be accessed by police at any time.

“The two-year proposal … we could live with,” he said. “It certainly wouldn’t be ideal, but we could live with [it].”

Who gives a fuck what you could ‘live with’? You’ll do as you’re told.

And does it get any more chilling than this?

Mr Scipione said: “Our motives in this are true and pure. We just want to keep Australia the safest nation on the planet.”

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 2:28 pm
As if it needs to be said:

Australia is a disgusting overpriced toilet.

The cost of a brew in this country shames us all.

Infidel Tiger

26 Sep 12 at 2:29 pm
If you had any talent the Americans wanted, IT, you could go live there and stop your bitching.

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 2:32 pm
If you had any talent the Americans wanted, IT, you could go live there and stop your bitching.

Ad if you had male genitalia you could use the urinal without ruining your trousers.

Infidel Tiger

26 Sep 12 at 2:35 pm
I will therefore henceforth blame your lack of talent for your unhappy state.

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 2:35 pm
The sweet spot is the Czech Republic – second cheapest beer, but easily double the quality of American beer, if not triple the quality.

I bought some Pilsner Urqell at Dan Murphys recently at $15 for a 6 pack. At only a couple of bucks more than the local brew, I consider this supreme value. When so-so Australian ‘premium’ beers cost 3 or 4 bucks more than quality Czech beer, something has gone seriously wrong.

Czech Republic – big beer drinkers, great cities, beautiful women, sincere hatred of communists, burners of much coal : what’s not to like?

brc

26 Sep 12 at 2:38 pm
I’m not unhappy. Being couped up in the house with nothing but a basket full of ironing and Ellen Degeneres for company would send me spare, but that’s your lot in life.

Infidel Tiger

26 Sep 12 at 2:40 pm
I love the names of the various Czech beers. It’s like reading Klingon.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 2:42 pm
The price of beer in this country is indeed a scandal.

I’m reaching the point where I won’t buy beer in bars as the cost is simply ridiculous.

At the moment I buy James Squire Chancer Golden Ale at $50 a case. That’s just on $3 a pint (500 mills).

Rabz

26 Sep 12 at 2:49 pm
I bought some Pilsner Urqell at Dan Murphys recently at $15 for a 6 pack. At only a couple of bucks more than the local brew, I consider this supreme value

I’m a Budvar man myself.

Anyone who buys domestic beer should be deported. It is swill.

Infidel Tiger

26 Sep 12 at 2:51 pm
The price of beer in this country is indeed a scandal.

It’s a national emergency verging on a crisis from where I sit.

Infidel Tiger

26 Sep 12 at 2:52 pm
Anyone who buys domestic beer should be deported. It is swill.

Oh, FFS.

Rabz

26 Sep 12 at 2:53 pm
What about you, sfb? Which beer do you prefer for your shandy?

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 2:55 pm
Rabz, I hate foreigners as much as the next person who is offended by men who wear shoes without socks and kiss hello, but there is not doubt they are superior at making beer.

Australians should stick to what they do best; filling out forms and writing letters to local papers denouncing the lack of regulations in our society.

Infidel Tiger

26 Sep 12 at 2:56 pm
Gab : Pilsner is just a type of beer brewed in the Czech town of Pilsen. The Czechs took the style of brewing perfected in Bavaria (see Lowenbrau for another top drop) and improved upon it for the original golden, clear beer. Proud of their creation, they called it ‘Pilsner Urquell’ – Urquell being the german word for ‘original’.

So if it had been invented in, say, Bathurst it would just be ‘Bathurst Original’.

The original Pilsen style of brewing has been copied worldwide – every golden beer you have ever seen has originated by copying the Pilsen style of brewing. Yes, from XXXX to Budweiser and all stops in between, just shameless copies of Czech goodness.

Incidientally, the original ‘Budweiser’ beer was brewed in Budweis (not going to print the Czech version). But the crafty Americans trademarked the name first (Ugg boots all over again), and eventually the Czechs had to give up competing against the poor imitation. But purchase a ‘budweiser’ anywhere in Europe and you’ll get the original, far superior version.

Hmm, all this beer talk has created a definite craving for a coldie.

brc

26 Sep 12 at 2:58 pm
I’ve gone all boutique beer, Gab, at least when at a pub. White Rabbit on tap is very pleasing, if they have it.

For cheap beer at home: no particular favourite, but the most major Australian brands are pretty dull and avoided.

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 2:59 pm
every golden beer you have ever seen has originated by copying the Pilsen style of brewing.

Even the Asian beers? (I’m fond of them, and some local boutique brews, but I’m a girl).

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 3:01 pm
I propose a new law regulating foreign beer out of existence!

.

26 Sep 12 at 3:04 pm
I bought some Pilsner Urqell at Dan Murphys recently at $15 for a 6 pack. At only a couple of bucks more than the local brew, I consider this supreme value

I love the Czech beers. The bottle is 500ml not 335ml or 325ml and the taste is magnificant.

Some are perfect to re-use as stock for homebrewing.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 3:05 pm
What about you, sfb? Which beer do you prefer for your shandy?

Sfb and beer, don’t be stupid. Sfb drinks sherry.

Nanuestalker

26 Sep 12 at 3:06 pm
The price of beer in this country is indeed a scandal.

Brewing is just one of Australia’s viciously anti-competitive oligopolies. The price of beer in America is less than half Australia’s. Airports, brewing and banking are Australia’s specialties in sodomising the public; supermarkets would also be making super-profits if they weren’t so inefficient. And Australia bends over lovingly to be had by the global oil companies. The word is out: if you want to make a shitload of money on a small scale, you can do what you like in Australia because the peasants are conditioned to accept it.

Tom

26 Sep 12 at 3:07 pm
I can tell you where the best boutique beer bar in Brisbane is. And it’s not the Pink, where one day I hope to have a rendezvous with CL.

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 3:08 pm
But purchase a ‘budweiser’ anywhere in Europe and you’ll get the original, far superior version.

On special I can get 500ml of that glorious stuff for around $4 a bottle near my place. The Chinese ownere of the little bottle-o is helping me explore the beers of central europe at a great price.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 3:08 pm
Tom, you might be forgetting that you can buy perfectly drinkable clean skin wines for $3 a bottle at Dan Murphys. This makes up somewhat for the alleged high cost of beer.

Note: see how I am talking to you as a normal human?

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 3:10 pm
where one day I hope to have a rendezvous with CL.

Stalker alert. SFB do you realise how creepy that sounds coming from a man who blogs about semen, butt plugs and CL’s bedroom? You do realise, I suppose, and are just being…um…silly. Look, men don’t talk like that to each other, okay? Just a friendly tip to help you along life’s social path.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 3:11 pm
>Even the Asian beers?

All of them. It goes back to the 1840s. It’s really the Bavarians that invented it, but the Czechs perfected it.

Before that, most beer was a cloudy, dark brew. Think ales and stouts as popular in the UK and Ireland.

Most Asian breweries were established with either Dutch, German or American money, and usually with Germans or German trained brewers. To say that golden, clear beer took the world by storm is to understate the effect.

It’s why bearded old whingers in the UK started up ‘CAMRA’ to try and stop their warm, cloudy beer from disappearing altogether.

brc

26 Sep 12 at 3:11 pm
Mumble usually gives me the heebies, but he has a neat line today re Lindsay Tanner.

He was hardly a household name, not someone with popular “appeal”, but if Mr or Mrs Average happened across him on television they saw an articulate, forceful person on top of their job and free of slogans—the kind you might want in charge of the country’s finances.

He was also very good in parliament: clever and funny.

So he was Wayne Swan’s opposite in every respect.

Lazlo

26 Sep 12 at 3:12 pm
All this talk about beer, FFS – my extra long weekend doesn’t commence until tomorrow evening…

That said, always keen to broaden the palate.

I’ll purchase some (eastern) European beers this weekend for a taste test.

Rabz

26 Sep 12 at 3:14 pm
The price of beer at bottleshops is reasonable.

It is more when one has one off the wood that one feels one’s trousers been lowered and a tube of KY Jelly being made ready.

Infidel Tiger

26 Sep 12 at 3:14 pm
Sfb and beer, don’t be stupid. Sfb drinks sherry

Pimms No 1 Cup for sure, almost certainly with a sex on the beach chaser

Bunyip

26 Sep 12 at 3:14 pm
It’s why bearded old whingers in the UK started up ‘CAMRA’ to try and stop their warm, cloudy beer from disappearing altogether

And thank the Gods that they have.
I like my brew thick enough to stand a fork in it!
It isn’t served warm by the way, it is actually served at cellar temperature which is approx 4-6 degrees C, it just doesn’t go through a refrigerated “temp-right” like we do here.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

26 Sep 12 at 3:17 pm
Pimms No 1 Cup for sure, almost certainly with a ~~sex on the beach~~ Fluffy Duck chaser

FTFY

Nanuestalker

26 Sep 12 at 3:17 pm
Good stuff, brc, thanks. I looked up Tsingtao Brewery in Qingdao and sure enough the brewery was established in 1903 by Germans. Imagine being German and moving to a small city (okay small in China terms) and starting a brewery back then. Talk about your pioneers.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 3:18 pm
Mumbles… possessed by the spirit of Lt. Lockhart…even Cronkite is going to say the war is unwinnable

.

26 Sep 12 at 3:19 pm
Ok fellow Cats, name Sfb drinks:

[I'd like to see who can beat Fluffy Duck.]

Go!

Nanuestalker

26 Sep 12 at 3:21 pm
I like my brew thick enough to stand a fork in it!

Luxury!

Nan used to stick a red hot poker in it when Mr Hitler was trying to bomb her lovely munitions factory!

.

26 Sep 12 at 3:23 pm
name Sfb drinks:

I’m tipping Fruit Tingle.

Meself, I’m partial to a Whiskey Sour.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 3:23 pm
>It isn’t served warm by the way, it is actually served at cellar temperature which is approx 4-6 degrees C, it just doesn’t go through a refrigerated “temp-right” like we do here.

Agreed on that. Correctly served, a good ale is hand-pulled from unpressurized casks in a cool cellar as noted.

I’m a big believer in enjoying drinks in the place and circumstance which suits them. Tucking into a Pint of Spitfire while lazily feasting on a beef and ale pile in an old pub somewhere in the English countryside is a true pleasure.

Just so happens Australian climate suits a clear, refreshing lager, especially when teamed up with hot steaks fresh off the barbecue. I occasionally seek the silky embrace of a Guiness in the midst of an Australian winter, but it never lives up to expectations. Guiness isn’t guiness unless brewed (and possibly served) in the Emerald isle.

brc

26 Sep 12 at 3:25 pm
Really? I thought Steve would be more partial to rainwater and pure grain alcohol, ep ep ep.

.

26 Sep 12 at 3:26 pm
@rabz : for a starter I recommend either the Pilsner Urqell or the Budvar (not called Budweiser here, it’s an unreadable Czech version) – reasonable easily obtained and just perfect.

brc

26 Sep 12 at 3:26 pm
Ok fellow Cats, name Sfb drinks:

Do we really want to go there? How long before someone mentions felching?

Huckleberry Chunkwot

26 Sep 12 at 3:27 pm
Gab, yesterday JamesK linked to a story about a Chinese wank machine; Dan is using an gravatar featuring an elephant trunk standing in as a comedy penis, and IT mentions sodomy and all men he disagrees with (on anything) as being effeminate on a daily basis.

And all your concerned about is some years ago reference to a buttplug, and an old detailed discussion with d-b, done without comedy, about how amazingly proscriptive Catholic ideas of how sex must end, even in the marital bed?

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 3:29 pm
Thanks BRC – I shall purchase and consume.

Gab, shouldn’t that be a “Fruit Tingalingalingle” in memory of the catchy jingalingalingle?

Rabz

26 Sep 12 at 3:29 pm
I’ve never tried Grain Alcohol – conspicuously missing from my drinkers CV. I guess I’ll come across it one day, though I’m unlikely to enjoy the experience. I’m much more of a grape’n'grain sort myself, usually avoiding spirits in general. Though my friends do like to ply me with the stuff in the hope of unearthing the evil brc who is known to spend entire evenings trying to perfect the ultimate insult towards hapless victims. I’d stand no chance of sustaining a Abbot-style inquisition into days of youth.

brc

26 Sep 12 at 3:30 pm
How long before someone mentions felching?

Not long apparently! Now I need to throw up.

Nanuestalker

26 Sep 12 at 3:31 pm
Hey sfb, I’m not the one hanging out for a hook-up with CL.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 3:31 pm
And all your concerned about is some years ago reference to a buttplug, and an old detailed discussion with d-b, done without comedy, about how amazingly proscriptive Catholic ideas of how sex must end, even in the marital bed?

It will end when you admit your “career ending rumour” about Abbot was just lies you made up.

.

26 Sep 12 at 3:33 pm
Gab, the suggestion of meeting CL at a pub known as “the Pink” amuses me.

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 3:35 pm
You wish it was called “The Brown” don’t you?

NTTAWWT. I just don’t think C.L. digs what you are into.

.

26 Sep 12 at 3:37 pm
It will end when you admit your “career ending rumour” about Abbot was just lies you made up.

I said I heard a rumour, from what I considered to be a reliable source, and said I thought it would harm him if it was known.

I did not say it would be “career ending”. That’s the inflation that you and CL have put on it.

Why should this be viewed as so improbable that it couldn’t possibly be true (that I heard a potentially damaging rumour about a politician)?

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 3:42 pm
Sorry Nanu, but it did need to be said.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

26 Sep 12 at 3:43 pm
Ok fellow Cats, name Sfb drinks

This one, but even though he’s from Queensland he’s no cowboy.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 3:44 pm
And the winner is …………………….
Token.
I am a grumpy old bastard and rarely laugh, but that one had me rolling on the floor.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

26 Sep 12 at 3:48 pm
People probably wonder what qualifications Coutts-Trotter had to be Director-General of the NSW Department of Education and Training and now Director-General of the NSW Department of Finance and Services.

His wife is in the labor party and he had some private sector experience, what more could you want from a labor party appointee?

Rob

26 Sep 12 at 4:01 pm
lol just looking back and found this gem, from IT, after SFB had linked yet another journo (Oakes) disparaging Abbott:

“Steve, do your spend every waking moment seeking validation? If you can’t find a journo in Australia willing to bad mouth a conservative pollie then you’re a retard. It’s not exactly like you’ve found Lassiter’s Reef, you jelly backed, testicle challenged, nancy boy.”

Those were the days.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 4:08 pm
Interesting. Ross Greenwood’s 2GB program the domestic travel detailed travel fares for Penny Wong has not been posted all day.

For those who want a quick overview listen to the beginning of the Bolta/Pricey program from last night. I imagine somebody got the hairdryer treatment today.

$1,300 fares from Canberra to Adelaide. Tons of payments for cancelled fares.

I can’t wait to hear this story tonight on 2GB.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 4:11 pm
SfB drink? Bicardi Breezer with a listhp for thure.

Helen Armstrong

26 Sep 12 at 4:15 pm
France has the largest penetration of nuclear energy and rarely if ever do we hear any concerns.

yep, so unconcerned are they that organic farms are located right next door.

Helen Armstrong

26 Sep 12 at 4:18 pm
SfB has posted so many trollish comments that not even absinthe could make the heart grow fonder.

blogstrop

26 Sep 12 at 4:37 pm
The French nuclear power is a funny joke on the leftists. There isn’t a yartsy luvvie that wouldn’t surrender a left reproductive organ to get some sort of government-paid trip to gay Paris, where they could sip on un Cafe au Lait and despair that your average Aussie isn’t tres chic like your average Parisian. All the while, holding a nuclear powered hot beverage and not getting the irony that this very socialist country sees no problem at all with smashing atoms for electrickery.

brc

26 Sep 12 at 4:38 pm
Absence might just work, however.

blogstrop

26 Sep 12 at 4:39 pm
Rasmussen:

Daily Swing State Tracking Poll
Swing State Daily Tracking: Obama 47%, Romney 44%

Keep the faith.

SteveC

26 Sep 12 at 4:39 pm
I prefer James Squire’s muslim beer: Four Wives

Pete of Perth

26 Sep 12 at 4:40 pm
The French nuclear power is a funny joke on the leftists.

Yes, I remember Adele Horin’s series of “what my Franch frands said the uzzer day about zis ‘orrible ‘oward”, but the nuclear endorsement or thanksgiving didn’t make it into the cafe conversation as far as I can recall.

blogstrop

26 Sep 12 at 4:43 pm
The French nuclear power is a funny joke on the leftists.

I noted there was no reply again from the Steve’s on nuclear power.

If French statists are happy to use nuclear to bake their baguettes and croisants, watch their very naughty moves and to power their fast electric trains, why can’t we?

(Actually to export power for all the above in England, Germany, Spain and Italy to make up for the failure of renew-balls to meet demand in those countries so the French can work a 30 hour week)

We’re the Saudi Arabia of nuclear material after all.

Token

26 Sep 12 at 4:50 pm
This should be of interest here.

Private city in Honduras will have minimal taxes, government

Small government and free-market capitalism are about to get put to the test in Honduras, where the government has agreed to let an investment group build an experimental city with no taxes on income, capital gains or sales.

…

The laws in the city will be separate from those in the rest of Honduras. Strong said that the default law that will be enforced in the city will actually be based on Texas state law, which has relatively few regulations.

…

The bill to allow the creation of such cities passed the Honduran Legislature nearly unanimously, by a vote of 126 to 1. But not everyone is on board with the project.

I wonder who is not on board?

Left-wing Hondurans have filed a complaint before the Honduran Supreme Court, arguing that the free cities project violates their constitution and treats “national territory as a commodity.”

There’s a surprise!

Eddystone

26 Sep 12 at 5:04 pm
Hondurans will emigrate like crazy to that city. Can we have Texan law here?

.

26 Sep 12 at 5:09 pm
FFS – an explosion of taxpayer funded leftist lunacy over at the dumb as wrongathon green has a whinge about superannuated marxist merchant banker lindsay tanner.

Green admiringly quotes our own beloved occasional commenter ben “watching videos of myself” eltham.

Also contains a very instructive quote from alzheimer’s victim, one boob carr:

But it’s got a bit too easy to write another book spelling out what’s wrong with the battered ol’ Ozdraylian Lobodomee Pardee.

Yes boob, it has…

Rabz

26 Sep 12 at 5:19 pm
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the best you tube comment EVER

‘JESUS LOVES YOU’
A Nice gesture in church.
A HORRIFIC thing to hear in a Mexican Prison.

Some terrifying music to accompany:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdIiuxAte3s&feature=related

.

26 Sep 12 at 5:36 pm
The fascists are at it again.

JUST 8000 Australians will be able to attend the Anzac Centenary dawn service on the beach at Gallipoli.

A ballot will be held to allocate tickets to the event, at Anzac Cove in 2015.

Veterans’ Affairs Minister Warren Snowdon warned many Australians who wanted to attend the service – including descendants of Gallipoli veterans – would miss out.

“We believe there are probably around one million direct descendants, which makes it highly improbable that many of them will be able to attend the site, even if we wanted them to,” Mr Snowdon said.

It’s Turkish territory ffs!

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 5:44 pm
Which fascists are you referring to Gab? How would you propose to handle the situation where there’s only room for a small portion of those who might want to attend?

SteveC

26 Sep 12 at 6:14 pm
If I was in charge, I wouldn’t commemorate Gallipoli at all.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 6:22 pm
After publishing Alene Composta’s thoughts on Kristina Keneally’s moose knuckle, if Jonathan Green had any self-respect he would get a job washing dishes on a north coast RSL or something. He doesn’t and neither does the ABC, so we are obliged to continue to be subjected to his “thoughts” and to fund them too.

H B Bear

26 Sep 12 at 6:27 pm
Why wouldn’t you commemorate Gallipoli, CL? Is it because the whole Australia became a nation in the Dardanelles is a heap of rubbish? If so, I agree with you.

I can recommend a very good book on how Australia became a nation, It’s called the ‘Lion and the Kangaroo’ It’s by Gavin Souter. He notes that Lyons’ 1931 election slogan was ‘Tune in with Britain’ Lyons won the biggest ever ladnslide in history. SO the idea that the Great War split the wonderful, larrikin Aussies from the stuffy Poms is really a load of hooey.

Rococo Liberal

26 Sep 12 at 6:35 pm
If I was in charge, I wouldn’t commemorate Gallipoli at all.

So who is ” in charge ” that is forcing you to commemorate Gallipoli?
No-one that’s who.
Australia is a magnificent country that way.

jumpnmcar

26 Sep 12 at 6:36 pm
Is it because the whole Australia became a nation in the Dardanelles is a heap of rubbish?

Yes, RL. I loathe the notion.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 6:36 pm
I can recommend a very good book on how Australia became a nation, It’s called the ‘Lion and the Kangaroo’ It’s by Gavin Souter. He notes that Lyons’ 1931 election slogan was ‘Tune in with Britain’ Lyons won the biggest ever ladnslide in history. SO the idea that the Great War split the wonderful, larrikin Aussies from the stuffy Poms is really a load of hooey.

That book is full of ridiculous bullshit. Let’s ignore the royal commission into the constitution and the statute of Westminster.

Loyalty isn’t the same as unity.

.

26 Sep 12 at 6:48 pm
Oh no, the Cat talking history again. Any moment now Churchill will be due a spray from CL.

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 6:51 pm
Oh no, SFb talking about CL. Again.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 6:52 pm
Al Qaeda To Go On Strike

Muslim suicide bombers in Britain are set to begin a three-day strike next Monday in a dispute over the number of virgins they are entitled to in the afterlife. Emergency talks with Al Qaeda have so far failed to produce an agreement.

The unrest began last Tuesday when Al Qaeda announced that the number of virgins a suicide bomber would receive after his death will be cut by 25% this April from 72 to only 60. The rationale for the cut was the increase in recent years of the number of suicide bombings and a subsequent shortage of virgins in the afterlife.

The suicide bombers’ union, the British Organization of Occupational Martyrs (or B.O.O.M.) responded with a statement that this was unacceptable to its members and immediately balloted for strike action. General Secretary Abdullah Amir told the press, “Our members are literally working themselves to death in the cause of Jihad. We don’t ask for much in return but to be treated like this is like a kick in the teeth”.

Speaking from his shed in Tipton in the West Midlands in which he currently resides, an Al Qaeda chief executive explained,

“We sympathize with our workers’ concerns but Al Qaeda is simply not in a position to meet their demands. They are simply not accepting the realities of modern-day Jihad in a competitive marketplace. Thanks to Western depravity, there is now a chronic shortage of virgins in the afterlife. It’s a straight choice between reducing expenditure and laying people off. I don’t like cutting wages but I’d hate to have to tell 3000 of my staff that they won’t be able to blow themselves up.”

Spokespersons for the union in Newcastle , Middlesbrough, Essex, Glasgow and Australia stated that they would be unaffected as there are no virgins in these areas anyway.

Apparently the drop in the number of suicide bombings has been largely put down to the emergence of the Scottish singing star, Susan Boyle. Now that Muslims know what a virgin looks like, they are not so keen on going to paradise.

jumpnmcar

26 Sep 12 at 7:00 pm
“If I was in charge, I wouldn’t commemorate Gallipoli at all.”

i tend to think Anzac Day is about all the wars incluidng Vietnam and not just Gallipoli. There’s people probably younger people don’t know where Turkey is and when the WWI was or anything much about it, but are very much in tune with paying respect to those who serve/d because of Afghanistan and Iraq.

candy

26 Sep 12 at 7:15 pm
‘JESUS LOVES YOU’
A Nice gesture in church.
A HORRIFIC thing to hear in a Mexican Prison.

Best comment? The standard must be low but funny all the same.

Nanuestalker

26 Sep 12 at 7:36 pm
RL:

Why wouldn’t you commemorate Gallipoli, CL? Is it because the whole Australia became a nation in the Dardanelles is a heap of rubbish? If so, I agree with you.

That’s a 1960s over-simplification put up by then-trendy-leftards to attack the old Imperial connections.

It’s a lot more complex than that cartoonish caricature.

I can recommend a very good book on how Australia became a nation, It’s called the ‘Lion and the Kangaroo’ It’s by Gavin Souter. He notes that Lyons’ 1931 election slogan was ‘Tune in with Britain’ Lyons won the biggest ever ladnslide in history. SO the idea that the Great War split the wonderful, larrikin Aussies from the stuffy Poms is really a load of hooey.

Souter’s not bad. Read it in conjunction with Darwin’s work though, and a few others: this is a good place to start -

DARWIN, J., A Third British Empire? The Dominion Idea in Imperial Politics, in, The Oxford History of the British Empire, Vol.IV, The Twentieth Century, J.M. Brown and W.R.L. Louis (eds), Oxford University Press, 1999, pp.64-87.

MADDEN, F., and DARWIN, J., (eds), Select Documents on the Constitutional History of the British Empire and Commonwealth, Vol IV, The Dominions and India Since 1900, Westport, 1993

GOLDSWORTHY, D., Losing the Blanket: Australia and the End of Britain’s Empire, Melbourne University Press, 2002

BIRRELL, R., A Nation of Our Own, Longman, Melbourne, 1995

MAGEE, G.B., and THOMPSON, A.S., Empire and Globalisation: Networks of People, Goods and Capital in the British World, c.1850-1914, Cambridge University Press, New York, 2010

To be quite blunt, the yawning lacunae in Australian historiography over the last fifty years is Australia’s formation, development and position within the Empire. it’s been deeply unfashionable since the progscum began their march thru the universities in the 60s.

Fortunately, this means ‘green field research’ for a (Donald Mackenzie Schurman Imperial School) Imperialist like me.

it’s also good being in an Imperial nation like Australia. There’s a lot to Darwin’s concept of the Third Empire being alive and well, a sort of evolved and semi-formal global Empire.

Mk50 of Brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 7:43 pm
Gallipoli WWI and the two failed conscription referenda raise uncomfortable sectarian matters which surprisingly linger today still.

manalive

26 Sep 12 at 7:45 pm
DD

I think you forget just how much of a mess the ALP left in NSW. It is goinbg to take two terms to clean it up. And you don’t get two terms by being a biffo right-winger.

Lots of lovely cuts are being made in the bloated education and health portfolios. That is a start.

Maybe that’s true, maybe they’re doing a lot behind the scenes. But at some point, they have to actually deliver visible changes to the way the NSW State government and state public sector operates.

I want to see reforms. I want to see streamlined, we’ll-get-out-of-your-way government. I want to see deregulated industries that are messy and vibrant. Fewer regulations, fewer bodies doing less. I want to see them stop the bureaucracy smothering commercial fishing, for example, as discussed on another recent thread here, and other primary industries.

I don’t want to see free speech curtailed, sentences altered retrospectively by fiat, increased powers for the cops, increased restrictions on alcohol service. I don’t want to see more green energy schemes. Etc.

I’d like some reform, please.

dd

26 Sep 12 at 7:51 pm
So Leigh Sales behaving badly, rudely and aggressively isn’t just limited to Tony Abbott.

She just behaved like a banshee from MtDruitt/Frankston with Lindsay Tanner.

JamesK

26 Sep 12 at 7:51 pm
Australia was born without a shot fired in 1901.

The preposterous Gallipoli myth was invented because erstwhile nationalists wanted a bloody, allegedly glorious creation story. The truth, to them, was shamefully banal.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 7:52 pm
Mk 50

I have had ardent monarchists tell me Australia was independent basically in 1856.

They seemed to forget that Blamey went to staff College in Quetta, not Weston Creek.

.

26 Sep 12 at 7:53 pm
Leigh Sales on the 7.30 Report has just finished demonstrating why she is unfit for the job. I have never seen such a spittle-flecked attack on what only today’s Labor party could call “a rat in the ranks”. He made good points, and she was ropeable, wanting to cast him and his pension into whatever circle of hell that such things cease to exist in.
Her anger was so palpable it overshadowed the whole segment. Tanner did well to retain composure in the face of it.

blogstrop

26 Sep 12 at 7:53 pm
I’d like some reform, please

Likewise. But it’s not going to happen unless O’Farrell first cleans out the Labor appointees still occupying senior positions in the NSW Public Sector and maintaining the Labor policy bias.

Septimus

26 Sep 12 at 7:57 pm
The preposterous Gallipoli myth was invented because erstwhile nationalists wanted a bloody, allegedly glorious creation story. The truth, to them, was shamefully banal.

Hughes was a nationalist, no doubt. He demanded a seat in negotiations as an independent nation and we got one with the other dominions. The argument is not without merit at all as R.L seemingly made out.

I’ve been reading wiki lately and they refer to ‘Australian Fronier Wars’

I baulked at this at first but then it seemed to be written without blatant anti establishment bias. Maybe Windschuttle ought to be let loose?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_frontier_wars

.

26 Sep 12 at 7:58 pm
Not sure if this has come up yet, but there are a few stories circulating regarding the amount of $100 notes in circulation, and a ex RBA official complaining about it.

Pensioners are complaining about being fingered for it.

I suspect that rather than pensioners, the main culprit is reserve banks starting to hold AUD as reserves.

Driftforge

26 Sep 12 at 8:15 pm
Yep blogstrop, she even referred to Labor as ” the great party “.
She’s another with a different surname to her husband ( FWIW Phil Willis ),it’s a sneaky ALP thing.

jumpnmcar

26 Sep 12 at 8:18 pm
It is easier to blame pensioners who are under-represented in society than to take on the many businesses – small to large – which continue to deal in cash in spite of the GST

That comment is just too hard to swallow. Pensioners are becoming the most powerful voting bloc.

.

26 Sep 12 at 8:24 pm
Steve C

Rasmussen:

Daily Swing State Tracking Poll
Swing State Daily Tracking: Obama 47%, Romney 44%

Keep the faith.

Bullshit artist

This is from the Realclear.

Rasmussen Tracking 9/22 – 9/24 47 The Kenyan 46 Romney

JC

26 Sep 12 at 8:27 pm
It was a most bizarre performance from Sales. I mentioned this on another thread…the nastier the question she threw at Tanner, the faster and more frenzied her delivery became. I ~~hoped~~ thought she might swallow her tongue.

Megan

26 Sep 12 at 8:29 pm
and SteveC

I forgot… Regards to Kimberly, your plastic sex doll. Sorry if you thought I was being rude not to mention her this time.

JC

26 Sep 12 at 8:31 pm
And further on Sales’ Massive Tanty. I detest the thought that my hard earned tax dollars pay for the generous retirements of these political bludgers but the Australian taxpayer via the medium of Parliament pays these pensions not, as she tried to imply, the Liar’s Party.

Megan

26 Sep 12 at 8:32 pm
SteveC and SfB. Lying because they can. The Labor way. If you guys had insight it’d be all over.

Get your centrelink forms in today, Stevieliar QC? Hurry up and cook your husband his dinner.

Tiny Dancer

26 Sep 12 at 8:34 pm
She’s another with a different surname to her husband …

Not too many Happy Feet in the ALP this evening.

blogstrop

26 Sep 12 at 8:35 pm
Stepford:

Tiny raises a good point. Have you cooked hubby his organic cutlets?

JC

26 Sep 12 at 8:36 pm
Can I just ask why Tanner is raising this issue just now? He really is a bit late and I suspect a) he has written a book or b) election coming up?
Thankfully Im so disinteretested I wouldnt buy thr bookn a nd have no idea when the election is coming up.
Its nice some in here have allegiances. Personally I find, the older one gets its best to divest oneself of political allegiances for it matters not the party – they all disappoint.
Although I will say this – Gillard is making gains on the favourite son Abbott and there is no point in living in denial. He needs something more than that which David Clarke, Alex Hawke and Photios prescribe.
Those on the extreme will only hold back the conservative vote as most on extremes always do on most part aggregate votes.
Good time to examine navels if you can bear to hear the truth.

Alice

26 Sep 12 at 8:42 pm
Tanner is now persona non grata. In one day of McTernan-scripted calumny, he has been relegated from Elder Statesman to Evil Splitter. The reaction confirms his thesis. Namely, that the ALP is no longer interested in what is true or what is in the national interest. Laborites are now just snot-nosed university politicians playing a game of hatred and smear for their own aggrandisement and entertainment. Tanner is only wrong about the innocence of Rudd. The man was a sociopathic cock-head of the highest order. But it’s true that he was in no particular psephological trouble when he was hysterically knifed. By any objective criteria, his replacement has been an unmitigated disaster, five times worse.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 8:47 pm
There do seem to be a lot of missing $100 bills out there. Funnily enough, a Sydney drug dealer had over $1m worth stashed at his sister’s house. But hey, let’s blame the pensioners.

johanna

26 Sep 12 at 8:48 pm
As to the amount of $100 notes in circulation. My husband is a car dealer. When he buys he takes cash to secure the car on the spot and that wouldnt be $50s or $20s.
Pleanty of people need $100s – I dont gwt what the big deal is. We dont all feed from the ATM and other use bigger notes in cash for business transactions. Why is that so hard to understand or should we all see it from a public servants view who only uses the ATM and never needs a $100.

Silly. Of course people need $100a notes.

Alice

26 Sep 12 at 8:50 pm
CL:

Australia was born without a shot fired in 1901.

A common misconception, that, CL.

1901 was just the birth certificate being signed. In reality, Australia was born at the 1887 Colonial Conference.

Mk50 of Brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 8:51 pm
But it’s true that he was in no particular psephological trouble when he was hysterically knifed. By any objective criteria, his replacement has been an unmitigated disaster, five times worse.

I wonder if he boned her before his split? I think the entire front bench has.

(Just a thought that crossed my mind, that’s all)

JC

26 Sep 12 at 8:56 pm
Yea right Charlie, you imbecile.

Race Stabilizing in Obama’s Favor – Charlie Cook, National Journal

JC

26 Sep 12 at 8:58 pm
Drift, yeah there was a discussion on radio I heard yesterday about the disappearing hundred dollar bills. Somebody mentioned pensioners but the more respectable explanation – which some guru insisted on – was an expanding black economy. Gotta love the black economy. It’s the great FU to Canberra and its mad, disgusting schemes. May it continue to flourish.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 9:00 pm
The other thing regarding $100 notes – what’s the concern with hoarding anyway? That’s where this is getting at.

The biggest issue I see with it is that hoarding $100 bills only covers one of the problems – bank failure, while leaving the issue of currency failure completely untouched.

And it’s not as though the currency is adversely affected by it anyway. Interest rates are fixed, not the amount of cash on issue.

Driftforge

26 Sep 12 at 9:01 pm
CL- may be so, but I’d still be tempted to look up how much AUD is held as foreign reserves – my understanding is that this has increased notably over the last few years.

Doesn’t take too many countries holding 2% reserves as AUD to account for a whole lot of $100 bills.

Driftforge

26 Sep 12 at 9:03 pm
Somebody mentioned pensioners but the more respectable explanation – which some guru insisted on – was an expanding black economy. Gotta love the black economy. It’s the great FU to Canberra and its mad, disgusting schemes. May it continue to flourish.

Yea, this idiot I had working on my entertainment system since.. I can’t last recall gave me two prices.. one with GST and one without.

I can easily see why 100′s are in huge demand.

In fact they ought to introduce 200 and 500 bills to make black market exchanges easier.

JC

26 Sep 12 at 9:03 pm
Saw a snippet of The Project (the Tween Network) earlier this evening regarding Gillard overseas. I have to say, she looked pretty good in dark classy skirt and a silken blouse (dark blue, I think – though don’t quote me; I’m colour-blind). Anyway, the gag was that the luminary she sat down to speak with proceeded to scratch and re-arrange his balls as the cameras whirred. Pretty funny.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 9:04 pm
Drift:

Doesn’t take too many countries holding 2% reserves as AUD to account for a whole lot of $100 bills.

The term “reserves” indicates some official holding. The Swiss National Bank has been buying Aussie dollars like a demon by exchanging accumulated Euro for aussie as a result of the fix. However they always buy Australian govies.

Demand for 100′s is a black market phenomenon.

JC

26 Sep 12 at 9:07 pm
JC, I know reading is not your strong suit, but read the first line again:
Daily Swing State Tracking Poll

SteveC

26 Sep 12 at 9:12 pm
Gotta love the black economy. It’s the great FU to Canberra and its mad, disgusting schemes. May it continue to flourish.

C.L, you anarchist you. Well done chap, I always knew you had it in you.

.

26 Sep 12 at 9:14 pm
I stand corrected for once by you, SteveC. Treasure it. It’s the first time it’s happened and won’t again.

By the way doofus, it’s the first time in weeks you’ve responded to me calling you out for being a moron. Normally you go skulking off back into Kimberly’s arms.

JC

26 Sep 12 at 9:17 pm
I’m trying to help with your remedial reading. Hopefully it is appeciated.

SteveC

26 Sep 12 at 9:21 pm
JC – If the guy gave you two prices one with GST one without you save 10% paying cash to him but he saves more because he escapes income tax.
it should be 15% dii beteen a cash no cash price.
Also dont blame the poor tradie who is quoting your repairs – most times its the customer whon asks fpr the cash price and these days so many customers ask to pay cash, when tradies want something on their books – well yes they will give you a narrow spread

As a purported stock trader you should have worked all this out by now, no?

Alice

26 Sep 12 at 9:21 pm
Thanks for clearing that up, JC. Everything must be fact-checked. Their first impulse is to lie their heads off. Nothing they say is credible.

Tom

26 Sep 12 at 9:22 pm
BS demand for $100 is a black market pehenomenon.
So many businesses use them except wage slave employees and people like JC who transact the lot electronic.
They just cant get their heads areound different businesses who do use $100s.

Alice

26 Sep 12 at 9:25 pm
JC – If the guy gave you two prices one with GST one without you save 10% paying cash to him but he saves more because he escapes income tax.

As a purported stock trader you should have worked all this out by now, no?

And where did I even indirectly imply I was confused by what he was trying to achieve, you idiot Alice.

Point it out.

JC

26 Sep 12 at 9:25 pm
On the subject of polls, did I miss the discussion of the latest Morgan poll on the cat:

In late September support for the L-NP is 52% (down 1.5% from last week’s face-to-face Morgan Poll) cf. ALP 48% (up 1.5%) on a two-party preferred basis according to the latest face-to-face Morgan Poll conducted last weekend, September 25/26, 2012.

Gary Morgan says:

“Today’s face-to-face Morgan Poll — the third Morgan Poll released since polls released by Newspoll and Nielsen on Sunday September 16, 2012, shows the L-NP 52% (down 1.5% since last week’s face-to-face Morgan Poll) with a narrowing lead over the ALP 48% (up 1.5%) on a two-party preferred basis.

SteveC

26 Sep 12 at 9:26 pm
LNP 52% ALP 48% you say? Wow the ALP are going to get rooted harder than Gillard on a first date with another wife’s husband.

Infidel Tiger

26 Sep 12 at 9:30 pm
“On the subject of polls, did I miss the discussion of the latest Morgan poll on the cat:”

I agree Labor are making gains. Welfare of New Start and Disablity is now an absolute breeze to get and Labor encourages this and I think there’s a sizeable proprotion of people who will vote Labour for the welfare.
Sadly, it saps people’s self esteem and motivatin to make something of their lives, but the enducement to live on welfare seems stronger than ever.

candy

26 Sep 12 at 9:35 pm
SteveC,

Look fuckwit, there was I think one or two polls after a1/3 of the way through Howard’s second term when the libs were ahead of the Liars Party.

Stop being an imbecile. The lying slapper is not going to win the next election… even if kimberly, you plastic sex doll whispered such things in your ear.

JC

26 Sep 12 at 9:35 pm
The other thing regarding $100 notes – what’s the concern with hoarding anyway? That’s where this is getting at.

The biggest issue I see with it is that hoarding $100 bills only covers one of the problems – bank failure, while leaving the issue of currency failure completely untouched.

And it’s not as though the currency is adversely affected by it anyway. Interest rates are fixed, not the amount of cash on issue.

The whole thing is absurd. As if as a pensioner you’d stash $50,000 in bank notes under the bed. With the way these fuckers are running the show next year it’ll be worth $47,000, the year after that $10,000 and the year after that fifty cents.

If hoarding money was goal you’d just buy 25 nice 1oz canadian maples, kookas and koala’s put them in a safe then sell one on ebay whenever you need a couple of grand. Far more civilised than sleeping on a lumpy mattress stuffed full of of gay looking Australian currency.

twostix

26 Sep 12 at 9:36 pm
Journal entry Stardate 2012926: target is colour blind. No need to change wig colour for project “Nigella Bait”…

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 9:55 pm
Yes but you still need to change your hairstyle, sfb.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 10:02 pm
The whole thing is absurd. As if as a pensioner you’d stash $50,000 in bank notes under the bed. With the way these fuckers are running the show next year it’ll be worth $47,000, the year after that $10,000 and the year after that fifty cents.

If only that were true. Anyone involved with old people and estates will tell you tales of cash stashed away. Remember plenty of old people grew up in a time where cash could actually be trusted.

I agree they should be buying gold and silver but what can you do.

brc

26 Sep 12 at 10:04 pm
The trend (two thirds down the page) of the polling is the interesting part. I think people are tiring of “Doctor No” and the carbon tax has lost its sting.

SteveC

26 Sep 12 at 10:06 pm
It’s interesting that it’s Essential that is not seeing any substantial movement when all other polls are.

I usually ignore Morgan totally, since it always seems to be so far away from the others. But if it’s showing a narrowing, I’ll start to give it credit again…

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 10:10 pm
The trend (two thirds down the page) of the polling is the interesting part. I think people are tiring of “Doctor No” and the carbon tax has lost its sting.

The reason has more to do with a very effective and competent dirt unit. Congrats to Gillard and her team. And I’m sure you’re proud of them too, SteveC.

dd

26 Sep 12 at 10:10 pm
The ABC has a problem with Leigh Sales hosting their flagship current affairs program – she is starting to resemble Virginia Trioli and Deborah Cameron at the height of their vapours before the ABC was able to farm them off or out of sight. All that is missing is a couple of dozen cats walking across the desk during the program.

ABC Managing Director Mark Scott might want to apologise to Grahame Morris and Australia’s bovine population for comparing them to Leigh. Most unfair without being given the moo of reply.

H B Bear

26 Sep 12 at 10:12 pm
Also dont blame the poor tradie

Yeah right. They’re eating carrion in their fibro hovels with their family dressed in filthy rags, disease ridden limpet and urchin offspring running amok to the shrill wailing of their foetid fishmonger cum whore banshee wives are they?

.

26 Sep 12 at 10:13 pm
The only recent “dirt” I can recall has been the “wall punch” incident. I find it hard to believe anyone really gives a shit about what Abbott may or may not have done when he was about 19.

SteveC

26 Sep 12 at 10:18 pm
The only recent “dirt” I can recall has been the “wall punch” incident. I find it hard to believe anyone really gives a shit about what Abbott may or may not have done when he was about 19.

We need to come up for a name for this particular manfiestation of the mental illness known as leftism.

Where by leftists remain totally silent, or comment with barely containable glee during the period that their fellow travelers are loudly and visibly carrying out a particularly vicious offence against their opponents, but then afterwards say “oh I’m against that” or “it doesn’t matter anyway”.

Easily the most disgusting of the leftist pathologies.

twostix

26 Sep 12 at 10:27 pm
Don’t feed the vermin…

Lazlo

26 Sep 12 at 10:30 pm
Your Gravatar bill is going to be enormous, Gabrielle.

Tom

26 Sep 12 at 10:30 pm
…But worth every cent. Hilarious!

Tom

26 Sep 12 at 10:32 pm
Let’s not commemorate Gallipoli – rather, choose Amiens in 1918, at which the British, Australians and Canadians walked through the Germans, leaving a trail of corpses, took tens of thousands of prisoners, and caused many thousands of others to flee screaming for the rear.

After that? A hundred-day marathon of kicking German arse, all the way to and through their toughest defences, which we broke in three days without stopping. After which the Kaiser basically said “Fuck this shit,” and started peace negotiations.

perturbed

26 Sep 12 at 10:32 pm
Twostix and d-d: Abbott has never personally polled well yet it hasn’t affected the issue of which party people would vote for. Now, because of commentary run mainly in Fairfax (which, according to people here, has not for the last 3 years been read by anyone who would have ever intended voting Coalition,) an incident from the 70′s is supposed to have turned people off voting Coalition?

Very unconvincing analysis; but I understand, you’re just looking for excuses.

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 10:35 pm
Necessities, Tom. One must always have enough for the bare necessities.

Gab

26 Sep 12 at 10:35 pm
Don’t feed the vermin…

Doncha wish there was blog equivalent of rat poison or myxomatosis? I do. Man, I’d have to eating it down to dusk.

JC

26 Sep 12 at 10:37 pm
oops dawn..

JC

26 Sep 12 at 10:38 pm
Couldn’t agree more Perturbed.

Australia’s current national day is a day we all mope around remembering the musselmen handing us our arses on a plate. That shit ain’t cool.

Great nations celebrate victories, not being made to retreat from goat fuckers and kebab farmers.

Infidel Tiger

26 Sep 12 at 10:39 pm
The last General to ever be knighted in the field by a British monarch was?

Lazlo

26 Sep 12 at 10:49 pm
Stepford,

You nimrod, the carbonic tax was never going to create a big bang effect on the fateful day is was introduced. The deterioration in the economy in having a pwice on carbin 3.5 times the world average is a slow death. It’s like the impact of chemo on terminal cancer. It slows the onset but at some stage it will fuck the brain, liver and lungs.

So there was always going to be a reversal in the polls. What you should be worried about, as a conservative Catholic and all is that the PM, the slapper that chases married men, is as highly thought of by the electorate, as a dead skunk on the road.

JC

26 Sep 12 at 10:49 pm
We need to come up for a name for this particular manfiestation of the mental illness known as leftism.

Where by leftists remain totally silent, or comment with barely containable glee during the period that their fellow travelers are loudly and visibly carrying out a particularly vicious offence against their opponents, but then afterwards say “oh I’m against that” or “it doesn’t matter anyway”.

The Marrmite.

C.L.

26 Sep 12 at 10:50 pm
Christine Milne on Lateline now. I saw from the start that she’s going to suggest the Liberals could get Green preferences if they put Turnbull in as leader and change carbon policy.

steve from brisbane

26 Sep 12 at 11:01 pm
John Monash, in August 1918.

Hey perturbed, have you experienced Villers-Bretonneux? Brings a lump to the throat. From the Australian memorial on the high ground you look down on Le Hamel, the site of Monash’s brilliant one day battle in July 1918.

Then on 8 August it was where the decisive push was commenced – Ludendorf’s blackest day for the German army, and the model for Blitzkreig 21 years later.

There is a terrific movie to be made about 1918..

Lazlo

26 Sep 12 at 11:02 pm
as a dead skunk on the road.

That would actually be one for the books here in Australia..

Driftforge

26 Sep 12 at 11:05 pm
John Monash, in August 1918.

Incredible story, his. And not just the accomplishments in the army; everything from reinforced concrete to brown coal.

Driftforge

26 Sep 12 at 11:08 pm
Let’s not commemorate Gallipoli – rather, choose Amiens in 1918

Dunno. There is something to celebrating getting ‘handed your arse’. It takes a peculiar self sentiment to acknowledge someone elses success at your cost, and its one I’m glad we have and would rather not lose.

Let others celebrate their great victories. It’s not an attitude I’d want to see cultivated here.

Driftforge

26 Sep 12 at 11:14 pm
Dunno. There is something to celebrating getting ‘handed your arse’. It takes a peculiar self sentiment to acknowledge someone elses success at your cost, and its one I’m glad we have and would rather not lose.

Say that to those who probably lost grandads in that war…….

Alex Pundit

26 Sep 12 at 11:16 pm
Christine Milne on Lateline now. I saw from the start that she’s going to suggest the Liberals could get Green preferences if they put Turnbull in as leader and change carbon policy.

Lol.

Yea Stepford, getting slime preferences would really excite the conservative base.

Do you understand, you fucking idiot, that if the libs had anything to do with the slime, with the exception of breathing air there would be a revolution in the party?

You really don’t get how despised the slime is on the right, you moron.

Tubbsie Milne is looking for a preference deal with anyone because the idea of tying the knot with them is like drinking arsenic for other parties. They are fucking poison.

JC

26 Sep 12 at 11:17 pm
Say that to those who probably lost grandads in that war…….

In the family here.

I don’t have to though. It’s what we do already. It’s what they do already.

Driftforge

26 Sep 12 at 11:21 pm
Incredible story, his. And not just the accomplishments in the army; everything from reinforced concrete to brown coal.

He recovered admirably after a poor performance in Turkey. Built a few nice bridges too.

Infidel Tiger

26 Sep 12 at 11:24 pm
Just watched Leigh “don’t ever fuck with the ALP” Sales interview Tanner. He’s a dickhead but she is an outrageously obviously incompetent spastic who should be fired tonight. What a c**t of a thing she is. She carried on like a CMFEU official ina war zone.

Tiny Dancer

26 Sep 12 at 11:46 pm
Tim Stanley thinks Obama’s lead is built on race, class and gender. “This is an identity politics election.”

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100182769/obamas-lead-is-built-on-race-class-and-gender-this-is-an-identity-politics-election/

Viva

26 Sep 12 at 11:52 pm
She carried on like a CMFEU official ina war zone.

She was very agitated and emotional. It seems absurd to get that worked up over a political party and have a strong urge to “protect” the party by attacking someone who is seen as a traitor in her eyes. She couldn’t control her emotions and took the perceived “betrayal” by Tanner very personally. It’s not normal or civil behaviour; it is rather extreme behaviour in the context of a (supposedly) professional interview.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 12:08 am
Whose gaffes?

Note the slideshows on offer. When even The Australian buys this manufactured junk, you have to ask yourself what possible future newspapers have.

C.L.

27 Sep 12 at 12:10 am
You know, this gotcha thing that Kerry O’Brien started, copied by Tony Fatty Jones and now the minions like Leigh Sales and Emma Alberici is starting to wear thin.

When an interviewee is asked a question and the interviewer interrupts like Sales did to Tanner and Jones does to all righties they should be told to fuck right off.

JC

27 Sep 12 at 12:12 am
It was only a matter of time before they came for the Super. This desperate need to conjure up fictional surplus is just ridiculous.

Budget axe hangs over super funds as Canberra looks for savings

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 12:22 am
When an interviewee is asked a question and the interviewer interrupts like Sales did to Tanner and Jones does to all righties they should be told to fuck right off.

Malcolm Turnbull as Opposition leader was the only one to call O’Brien out on his bullshit.

It may well have been the interview that ended O’Brien’s career as he finished up a few months later.

Remember?

He told O’Brien to go right ahead and tell him when he was finished so that he Turnbull could speak.

It was Turnbuckle at his best.

JamesK

27 Sep 12 at 12:32 am
CNN’s Acosta to Romney: ‘If You Somehow Beat Obama,’ How Would You ‘Assure Blacks You’d Be Their President Also?’

JIM ACOSTA, CNN: African-Americans have a tremendous sense of pride that there is the first African-American president in the White House. If you were to somehow beat the first African-American president, what would you say to the black community to assure them that you would be their president also?

MITT ROMNEY: I want to be the president of all the people of America. I want to help all the people of America. You don’t get into a race like this with myself and my family and do the kind of work and commitment that we’ve put forward without the passion to help all of America. And the people who really need the help right now are the people in the middle class, people who have fallen into poverty. I know how to get them help. The president doesn’t.

JamesK

27 Sep 12 at 12:40 am
IT’S been 189 days since he last set foot in parliament but stood-aside speaker Peter Slipper has pocketed $173,000 for entertaining dignitaries and visiting four foreign lands.

Mr Slipper is set for another trip, leading a delegation of federal MPs to an Inter-Parliamentary Union meeting in Canada and Argentina.
…
The role is being privately questioned by some MPs, who say it is embarrassing for the scandal-plagued Speaker to represent Australia when claims made against him are still outstanding.

Some Labor MPs said they feared Mr Slipper might be perceived by other countries as a representative of the government

hahaha. You lot wanted him.

The controversial MP has retained all the trappings of one of parliament’s highest offices since he stood aside over sexual harassment and fraud allegations, and continues to earn almost $1000 a day without performing the role‘s key function – governing parliament.

Labor - they just stuff everything up in their quest to embarrass Abbott and retain their power.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 12:44 am
We need to come up for a name for this particular manfiestation of the mental illness known as leftism.

Where by leftists remain totally silent, or comment with barely containable glee during the period that their fellow travelers are loudly and visibly carrying out a particularly vicious offence against their opponents, but then afterwards say “oh I’m against that” or “it doesn’t matter anyway”.

Taqiyya

Cold-Hands

27 Sep 12 at 12:46 am
Another Labor debacle.

THOUSANDS of broken laptops are being stockpiled at schools across the state as the federal government’s $2.4 billion Digital Education Revolution threatens to collapse.

Families are being hit with bills of up to $400 for repairs, which can take up to four weeks to complete.

Photographs obtained by The Daily Telegraph show piles of damaged laptops on a technology support officer’s workbench at one Sydney school. The majority are the notorious “red laptops” owned by Year 12 students.

A NSW Department of Education and Communities spokesman said students were issued with temporary replacements if laptops broke.

But one teacher said many were forced to go without while they were repaired.

The DER delivered almost one million laptops, iPads and desktop computers to every student in years 9 to 12 nationally. But the National Secondary School Computer Fund finishes on June 30 next year – and neither the federal nor NSW governments appear willing to commit the $100 million required to maintain the 1:1 computer-to-student ratio into 2013-14.

Reminds me, wonder how the budget for the set-top boxes is going?

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 12:47 am
Giving free laptops to teenagers, which they could carry around with them – what could possibly go wrong?

If the cost of every lost, destroyed, stolen or sold laptop was deducted from responsible Ministers’ salaries, they might have a different attitude.

Your taxes at work.

johanna

27 Sep 12 at 1:00 am
The most moronic part of this scam is that most laptops are outdated within a couple of years and will need replacing.Another big bill to replace them and ongoing.Has anyone tried to work out if it is of benefit to students….didn’t think so

max49

27 Sep 12 at 1:59 am
Hey perturbed, have you experienced Villers-Bretonneux? Brings a lump to the throat.

I had a choice of two places for a holiday a while ago. One was Amiens; the other was the place I met my wife. For that reason, I’m glad I didn’t go to Amiens. Maybe for the centenary, and we’ll take the kids as well.

perturbed

27 Sep 12 at 4:07 am
I’ve just watched Leigh Sales’ borderline tantrum interview with Lindsay Tanner. Let’s just say some real-world market discipline would do the ABC public service bubble the world of good. You know what to do, TA. Chicken out at your peril.

Tom

27 Sep 12 at 6:37 am
When even The Australian buys this manufactured junk, you have to ask yourself what possible future newspapers have.

Most of those so-called Gaffes by Romney aren’t even remotely ‘gaffes’. They’re gaffes by decree.

dd

27 Sep 12 at 6:48 am
Obama Supporter Interviews Herself.
“Was I really as stupid as you four years ago.”

Rudiau

27 Sep 12 at 7:10 am
“Why did your administration sit with Iran rather than stand with Israel? Why Mr. President, Why?”

Succinct ad.

Rudiau

27 Sep 12 at 7:51 am
“Just watched Leigh “don’t ever fuck with the ALP” Sales interview Tanner. He’s a dickhead but she is an outrageously obviously incompetent spastic who should be fired tonight. What a c**t of a thing she is. She carried on like a CMFEU official ina war zone.”

I laughed when I read that Tiny Dancer (at 11:46pm) – it’s not quite the measured terms I would use but it is accurate and, in these equal opportunity times, that woman deserves every bit of vitriol directed at her. I don’t much care what descriptions are used either – she and her lot demanded a level playing field and they ought to get it in shovel loads.

How dare she take an overpaid job in the public service to report the news and then run her own little private vendetta. How dare those effete pissants masquerading as an executive and board of the ABC endorse her prejudiced, corrupt behaviour.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

27 Sep 12 at 7:52 am
Perhaps Ms Sales has an attention deficit hyperactivity disorder not treated. She seems verbally out of sync with her mind and things rush out of her mouth without due thought to politeness and respectfulness to the interviewee.

candy

27 Sep 12 at 8:12 am
Did Leigh cross her arms? You know she’s cranky when you crosses her arms

Tal

27 Sep 12 at 8:14 am
Yesterday I brought you Peak Bacon in jest.

Today I bring you sad news from PWAF

In comments elsewhere in these parts, readers are alerted to a coming bacon crisis likely to afflict the US and Europe far worse than Wayne Swine’s putative bacon tax

Rudiau

27 Sep 12 at 8:16 am
As i understand it, the ABC is wholly funded by the Federal Government. Is that funding through a specific Funding appropriation or through a specific Departmental Line?

Mike

Mike of Marion

27 Sep 12 at 8:17 am
Labor has began the great raid to cover their their unsustainable level of spending.

Christine Kirchner would be proud of this mob.

I am sorry for the people who took the bait laid out by Labor and tied up too many of my assets in the super honey pot. Unfortunately, if you put money in a place a left wing government can get to, they will take it eventually.

Token

27 Sep 12 at 8:21 am
As i understand it, the ALPBC is wholly funded by the Feral Gubberment.

Mike, technically speaking, the ALPBC is not wholly dependent on gubberment grants for its income – the ALPBC Shops being an obvious example of another ‘revenue source’.

However, as with every aspect of human endeavour engaged in by leftists, they are probably an utter fail as well.

I might check…

Rabz

27 Sep 12 at 8:34 am
CNN’s Acosta to Romney: ‘If You Somehow Beat Obama,’ How Would You ‘Assure Blacks You’d Be Their President Also?’

The man who seconeded Obama’s nomination in 2008 – Artur Davis – gave a great answer to that crap at the RNC covention. What is his background again?

Of course Davis considers African-Americans as Americans first, and that doesn’t work with the meme the lefties at CNN are trying to push.

Token

27 Sep 12 at 8:36 am
IT’S been 189 days since he last set foot in parliament but stood-aside speaker Peter Slipper has pocketed $173,000 for entertaining dignitaries and visiting four foreign lands.

I’m glad Slippery Pete is finding his way back into the media.

We’re is Fair Work at with Shagger Thomson investigation? Time for that to re-emerge as an issue.

Token

27 Sep 12 at 8:37 am
Hmmmm – from the ALPBC financial report 2010-11 (2011-12 is not yet available):

Sources of Funds 2010 –11:

The ALPBC was allocated $972.6m in the May 2010 Feral Budget.

The ALPBC also received $183.1m from other sources, including ALPBC Commercial.

Therefore, under 16% of its total income was from sources other than taxpayers.

Rabz

27 Sep 12 at 8:43 am
Even I thought Leigh was a bit over the top last night. [I didn't see all of it, though. I was watching X Factor with my daughter. Good thing that WAT band got booted, hey?]

But Sales will be countered by some soft interviews that Uhlmann will give to someone in the Coalition soon. So don’t you worry about it.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 8:50 am
Rabz @ 0843,

What I’m thinking is!!!

TA only has to not provide a Funding Allocation in the Budget and we’d save a Billion straight up!!

Then flog it to the Private Sector

Mike of Marion

27 Sep 12 at 8:51 am
A helpful suggestion on how to answer the totalitarians at the UN who are trying to get their useful idiots (the lefty surrender monkeys) to trade away our freedoms.

As if by divine intervention, the revoltingly sacrilegious “Piss Christ” portrait will be going on display this Thursday at a ritzy Manhattan gallery right around the corner from the annual gathering of the United Nations General Assembly. For those who don’t know, this particular instance of free speech consists of a photograph taken of a crucifix floating in the artist’s urine. It caused a stir in the late 1980s and 1990s because the artist (Andres Serrano) had been subsidized by NEA and other public grants. Of course, Democrats staunchly defended both the work and the funding, and Serrano is a star among Manhattan’s elite liberal socialites.

…if you really want him to condemn the Piss Christ, this is what you have to do: Find an enterprising young artist willing to create a “Piss Mohammed” version of Serrano’s work, and ask the museum to hang it right next to the Piss Christ. It could be part of a “Piss Religion” exhibit. If the gallery declines (as it surely would), then perhaps one could gather together a small group of Manhattan atheists to march “piss portraits” of Mohammed and his fellow deities / prophets right up 1st Avenue past the United Nations, in homage to the First Amendment.

Token

27 Sep 12 at 8:52 am
But Sales will be countered by some soft interviews that Uhlmann will give to someone in the Coalition soon. So don’t you worry about it.

Good try Steve, even the efforts of the honest spouse of an ALP MP can not save the ABC from itself.

Its time has ended.

Token

27 Sep 12 at 8:54 am
The spontaneity of al qaeda.
Clinton Sees Link to Qaeda Offshoot in Deadly Libya Attack.

via DRUDGE.

Rudiau

27 Sep 12 at 8:55 am
So don’t you worry about it.

Thanks, Joh.

Rabz

27 Sep 12 at 8:55 am
Where is Fair Work at with Shagger Thomson investigation? Time for that to re-emerge as an issue.

If there isn’t a government crisis, just wait a few days. VIP Julia 737 has them on a revolving roster. Lindsay Tanner has stepped in to help out while she’s away.

Tom

27 Sep 12 at 8:55 am
TA only has to not provide a Funding Allocation in the Budget and we’d save a Billion straight up!!

Mike,

Yep, they have other existing sources of revenue, so go for it, commies!

Rabz

27 Sep 12 at 8:57 am
Recall the “Jesus had a wife” story of the last couple of weeks? Looks like the fragment is a forgery and that the author/ MSM wanted to get the meme out there for whatever reason/s, even before publication in the Harvard Theological Review, where it appears to have been rejected precisely because of questions relating to provenance.

This is no par for the course for the media across the board. Publish lies with apparent truthiness and clear ideological purposes, have it endlessly discussed for a few days, and then once the truth emerges, the correction or clarification appears page 56 if at all, it is not discussed, and they move on to the next issue.

dover_beach

27 Sep 12 at 8:58 am
I don’t know, d-b: I thought most of the reporting on the fragment made it very clear that this was not considered anything definitive by scholars.

But it’s true: the internet can have devastating effect on public understanding. The issue that it really matters on is, of course, climate change.

The whole fake skeptic movement has only succeeded to the extent it has because of the communications revolution that is the Internet, I reckon.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 9:16 am
Looks like Dellingpole has decided to enter the Fracking debate, and no surprises on what he finds – Lefties are proven to by Liars in court case after court case:

In the New York Post, Phelim McAleer – co-producer/director of the forthcoming Frack Nation – relates the amusing story of how Matt Damon and co were driven to increasingly desperate measures to make their Promised Land movie look vaguely credible.

I broke the news that “Promised Land” was about fracking and now I can reveal that the script’s seen some very hasty rewriting because of real-world evidence that anti-fracking activists may be the true villains.

In courtroom after courtroom, it has been proved that anti-fracking activists have been guilty of fraud or misrepresentation.

There was Dimock, Pa. — the likely inspiration for “Promised Land,” which is also set in Pennsylvania. Dimock featured in countless news reports, with Hollywood celebrities even bringing water to 11 families who claimed fracking had destroyed their water and their lives.

But while “Promised Land” was in production, the story of Dimock collapsed. The state investigated and its scientists found nothing wrong. So the 11 families insisted EPA scientists investigate. They did — and much to the dismay of the environmental movement found the water was not contaminated.

There was Wolf Eagle Environmental Engineers in Texas, a group that produced a frightening video of a flaming house water pipe and claimed a gas company had polluted the water. But a judge just found that the tape was an outright fraud — Wolf Eagle connected the house gas pipe to a hose and lit the water.

Token

27 Sep 12 at 9:17 am
Recall the “Jesus had a wife” story of the last couple of weeks?

So they lied. Behead them all.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 9:26 am
PAGING GENERIC WHITE MALE LIBERTARIANS WHO SEEM FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON TO HAVE A PREDILICTON TO ASIAN WOMEN

http://www.smh.com.au/executive-style/62m-to-marry-my-daughter-tycoon-offers-bounty-for-man-to-woo-lesbian-daughter-20120927-26m36.html

I think she’s a cutie and I suffer the same affliction as many of my brethren but I like blondes. Only if “Katie” Upton had a bounty on her…

.

27 Sep 12 at 9:28 am
I’m sure that this would never happen in Australia:

Bonking at the Beeb: why BBC staff can’t keep their hands off each other

I’m sure there is great material for a successful daytime serial here somewhere.

Token

27 Sep 12 at 9:35 am
Sorry, Dot, I don’t think you’ll turn that gal, even though she’s as pretty as a picture. She looks to me like she started batting for the other side at puberty.

Tom

27 Sep 12 at 9:36 am
I thought the man on the left was her father!

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 9:36 am
Yes, Gab. Notice who’s way taller?

Tom

27 Sep 12 at 9:39 am
Her father claims to have had intimate relations with 10,000 women, it says in the story. That’s an awful lot. No wonder the daughter became a lesbian.

candy

27 Sep 12 at 9:43 am
Unbelievable
If true, this will make the story of the Qantas A380 out of Singapore seem like a walk in the park.
The Aviation Herald is a trusted journal, so the indications are that this story is for real.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

27 Sep 12 at 9:46 am
A DOCTOR and his pharmacist wife have denied playing any role in the circumcision of their two daughters 18 months ago in a Sydney home.

The couple, who cannot be named for legal reasons, faced Parramatta court yesterday charged with two counts of genital mutilation on their daughters, then six and seven years old.

What’s the bet they get off lightly with a warning?

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 9:51 am
To accept preferential treatment on the basis of one’s race – in employment, academe, the arts, the media – is to participate in racism.

This piece will really ruffle some feathers…

Rabz

27 Sep 12 at 9:54 am
After a career spent in jobs reserved for Indigenous Australians, Kerryn Pholi has had enough of being a “professional Aborigine”. Far from closing the gap, she now believes these strategies are racist.

Well done young lady. You and your family will be better for it.

Sorry for the long quote – this is just beautiful prose:

After that, I could no longer ignore the fact that my career was built on racism. Not ‘reverse racism’ or ‘positive discrimination’ – just plain racism, of benefit to nobody except a select gang of privileged people with the right genes and a piece of paper to prove it. In other words, of benefit only to people like me.

About 18 months ago I burned my ‘proof of Aboriginality’ documentation (a letter from the NSW Department of Education acknowledging that I was Aboriginal, on the basis that my local Aboriginal Lands Council at that time, circa 1990, had said so). I walked away from the Aboriginal industry for good.

It hasn’t been easy, and I am still working out what to do with myself from here, but it has been rewarding. It feels great to simply identify as a human being, and to work alongside colleagues that only know me as another ordinary wage-slave, and not as a pampered mascot with the power to ruin a career with an accusation of ‘insensitivity’.

It also feels good to do proper work; sitting around a government office essentially being paid to be Aboriginal is both undignified and boring. I miss the money of course, but I don’t miss the racism.

If you are an Aboriginal person with the literacy and media access to be reading this, you are not ‘disadvantaged’; you are one of the most fortunate people on the planet. You don’t need special assistance because you are Aboriginal, you are not owed recompense because you are Aboriginal, nor do you possess special powers to perform tasks that others could not.

Only if we could remove the same bias for employing women over men at any cost and ethnic minorities over whites at any cost.

Great to see that Tom Sowell and Sen have gotten through to some people from the left.

…and for godsake can we end this welcome to country rubbish and close down the racist tent embassy cobbled together on a myth of an united “Aboriginal nation”?

.

27 Sep 12 at 10:03 am
At the UN, Gillard declares blasphemy (against Islam) “unacceptable.”

C.L.

27 Sep 12 at 10:16 am
This piece will really ruffle some feathers…

The left is rewriting its black, black-white and white-black victim impact statement as we speak.

Tom

27 Sep 12 at 10:17 am
Lead story on your ABC NEWS tonight?
FOREIGN INTEREST IN GILLARD/WILSON SCANDAL

Now I wonder why that would be. Perhaps the competing nations for a UN seat have taken an interest? Not that Luxembourg or Finland would be so crass as to accuse the Australian competitor of anything criminal. But they have international friends in the Press eager for a little down under gossip.
Luxembourg and Finland have been vying for the same seat for 8 years. I doubt they would allow Australia a leg in. Particularly if there is a juicy scandal available for ammo.

Michael Smith Interviews with Foreign Media

I yesterday told you that I’d been interviewed by a foreign TV network for their nightly news. I was phoned by them this morning – they asked me for a further extended interview which I’ve now just completed (via Skype). I’m told by their journalist that they will now make a few segments of the story – they are fascinated by the clear criminality – in both the sophisticated fraud and then in t…

Rudiau

27 Sep 12 at 10:17 am
We must reaffirm this again today. Denigration of religious beliefs is never acceptable. Australia seeks to be an example of freedom for all faiths and we support this in the wider world.

Note that Gillard the Orwellian frames her craven illiberalism as “freedom.”

C.L.

27 Sep 12 at 10:19 am
Can someone explain the sale of Dick Smith Electronics to me?

The Canucks paid 20 mln AUD for a firm which has an EBIT of 26 mln AUD? Has this been reported correctly?

I know that WOW will get a cut of the later sale that the PE mob does.

It seems too easy for the PE mob. I thought this shit was hard. Surely there is a guarantee that they can’t underperform? Is it really that hard to sack people, shut down stores, rationalise the supply chain and pump a bit more funds into marketing?

What I don’t get is that they half did the job before they sold it to the Canuckian PE firm.

I’d be pissed off if I held WOW shares.

Even if the firm they sell (say within a year) has a price earnings ratio of 10 and they only get half (the other half is farmed off to WOW), the Canucks stand to make 500% basically before tax.

…and WOW loses 80 mln AUD.

Does it really cost more than this to sack people and rationalise, and pump up marketing…like I said, they already half did this…?

.

27 Sep 12 at 10:20 am
Can someone explain the sale of Dick Smith Electronics to me?

Dot, maybe there is a relationship between the board at WOW and the PE mob.Such clear conflicts have been known to happen, look at the QAN PE bid of a few years ago.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

27 Sep 12 at 10:26 am
Asian lesbians are OK with me (unless they are in the Australian Senate).

People who dress up their toy dogs in Santa costumes are a deal breaker I’m afraid.

H B Bear

27 Sep 12 at 10:30 am
Dot’s right. This is a job for Yobbo!

C.L.

27 Sep 12 at 10:32 am
Your totally impartial media ‘commentators’…

The New York Post reported Egyptian-American columnist Mona Eltahawy has been arrested for defacing an anti-Muslim ad in the New York subway system. The video shows her spraying pink paint on the ad while a supporter of the ad tries to block her. She’s a journalist for censorship.

Eltahawy, a former Reuters correspondent, has been a recent favorite of CNN and MSNBC’s weekend morning shows to discuss Egypt, and she often smears together the Islamist “right wing” and the American right wing, as she did on Melissa Harris-Perry just 11 days ago.

Radical Pro-Islamist Who Defaced Pro-Israel Signs Is MSNBC & CNN Analyst.

C.L.

27 Sep 12 at 10:38 am
Michael Smith has not forgotten about Shagger Thomson.

Put the PDF report up in pride of place on your computer screen.

Now hit CTRL F – that’s Control F. That should bring up a search box. Next type the words “personal benefit” into the search box. That’s personal benefit, no quotation marks, one space between the words.

Each player then writes down the number of times he or she thinks the words personal benefit will be mentioned in the report. Keep in mind this report confines itself to Craig’s role as the boss of a union. A union whose members are some of the poorest paid workers in the country. Now the fun starts – but not as much as Craig had.

Token

27 Sep 12 at 10:43 am
Hell of a way to fight a war:

The Free Syrian Army, the umbrella group for defected soldiers, said on its Facebook page….

Their Facebook page ??

Myrrdin Seren

27 Sep 12 at 10:44 am
Michael Smith: Unions & Slush Funds and why they corrupt people:

It’s always unsettled me as a relative clean-skin that unionists speak about unorthodox fundraising as if it’s just a normal part of life. You can see the potential for blurred ethics. I can picture the ingenue starry-eyed at the boyfriend and pitching in to do her bit to help The Cause. If the boyfriend and “like-minded individuals” needed a slush fund……well who hasn’t got one of those?

That’s been the go with the offender too. He just knocked around with a master, Michael Williamson and got used to the free cash flow. Everyone was. The offender was just unloved and he went out and bought company using other people’s money. Fair enough? It seemed like a legitimate expense in the context of what everyone else was doing.

This way of doing things is crazy. The prize for union leaders is too much power, too much influence, too much money. Look at Michael Williamson. There are good blokes in unions I’m sure. But the case for a good old dose of salts through the whole show is pretty clear to me.

Token

27 Sep 12 at 10:45 am
I see Catherine Deveny has claimed to have been the victim of a prior attack by the suspect in the Jill Meagher abduction mystery (sorry no links ladies & gents). Now I will leave it to others to make the “obvious” comments (fnarr, fnarr) but the thing that I took away from this was: isn’t it a tad irresponsible and negligent NOT to have reported this incident to the Police when it happened? so at least the cops would be on the alert for a potential creep?

dragnet

27 Sep 12 at 10:47 am
Out of the various groups, the Free Syrian Army look like the most pro Western.

I realise this is off topic – and I don’t want to hijack this great topic – so pls consider not posting and writing something about it – but why is the Govt considering printing not just “new” money, but new style of money? Um…..cost of design, fitting out new machines, transitions etc….please!!!!! Or perhaps foreign nations are sick of being bribed for escort services etc… with our old 90′s style currency?

I would actually like the old notes brought back in the polymer style. If we piss the Queen off the old $1 note and the $5, we have plenty of room!

Well…they’ve sort of done that. The money won’t fade but it looks um..more “flamboyant” than ever.

Bring back macarthur, farrer, lawson, florey etc on the new $200, $500 and $1000 notes…

.

27 Sep 12 at 10:49 am
but why is the Govt considering printing not just “new” money, but new style of money? Um…..cost of design, fitting out new machines, transitions etc

Yes it seems extraordinary to do this. Another massive waste of money for what gain? Unless of course the new design is to put Gillard’s head on the new notes. And Swan’s. But really, what is the point? Seems indulgent.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 10:52 am
Gab

We ought to bring in higher denomination notes for ease of transactions and to keep the Government on their toes…as a sort of internal competitive pressure on rapacious taxation. I’m not really averse to spending 10 mln in stopping counterfeiting (I would like a lower inflation target of zero however). That is less than is spent on the office for the status of women. I’d know how I’d prioritise things…

.

27 Sep 12 at 10:56 am
The eighth rugby league ‘Immortal’ will be announced tonight. Pretty stupid concept – begun as a cover story by Rugby League Week years ago and now treated as some kind of ultra-award in its own right. The debate over Meninga vs. Johns is ridiculous. Johns the drug user shouldn’t even be considered. He’s done hardly anything in the service of the game. So – of course – there’s now talk that both will be ‘inducted.’ And with St George legend Norm Provan up for consideration as well, how on earth is Johns even in the running? I’ve never understood the NSW rugby league fraternity’s fawning over this personality-free block head. (Although I suspect that there is a sooky la-la political agenda in play given that the sixth and seventh Immortals were Queenslanders – Beatson and Lewis). The gutless dual induction dodge is a real possibility, IMO.

C.L.

27 Sep 12 at 10:56 am
I agree CL! Provan v Johns its a no-brainer. Then again I’m a red vee man so I may be a little biased!

dragnet

27 Sep 12 at 11:02 am
You’re right, Dragnet. It’s staggering in this age of hyper-sensitivity to violence against women that this suspect has not been already identified from previous police reports. I can only assume that women have had a false sense of security when visiting this Luvvieville address because it doesn’t normally attract the rough male trade from the outer northern suburbs that make sexual assaults and bashings a regular occurrence just a few kilometres away. It’s upsetting that we’re now virtually reliving the attack in CCTV replays.

Tom

27 Sep 12 at 11:03 am
C.L.,

I am a Johns critic as well. I find Stuart, Daley, Lewis and Langer far higher up as MVPs. They’ve been respected coaches. To his credit he is considered a very well rounded half. I don’t see why this makes him the greatest.

League also needs a business like and imperialistic approach to survive, hell, they need to carry the sport internationally for decades if necessary. It is half a backwater and half on the defensive with business strategy. The ARL and NRL need to go and watch some of the marketing from the early 1990s and see how far they’ve gone backwards.

PS

Let’s get rid of silly rules like the 40/20 rule. Let’s admit it only exists because scrums are non contestable. I watched the 1992 preliminary final and the 1991 grand final recently. Tries and ground was gained off aggressive kicking and winning against the feed.

It’s FOOTball goddamit.

.

27 Sep 12 at 11:04 am
Add in Fittler and Greg Alexander as well.

Christ I’m a dinosaur.

.

27 Sep 12 at 11:06 am
We must reaffirm this again today. Denigration of religious beliefs is never acceptable. Australia seeks to be an example of freedom for all faiths and we support this in the wider world.

This would be a woman who spent her life in the radical atheist left.

A group who has done more offensive “denigration” and shit poring on Christianity in the last 30 years than anyone. Producing and lauding “offences” that make anything towards muslims today laughable in comparison.

What a witch.

And once again we see leftists totally silent on the matter.

twostix

27 Sep 12 at 11:08 am
office for the status of women.

I find this very sexist against men and the notion we of it is extremely offensive and belittling to women.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 11:09 am
On the Gillard/Wilson affair – I’ve been wondering why it hasn’t popped up in British papers. For one, they love a scandal. For two, they love anything that makes Australians look like uncouth colonial swindlers. For three, it involves love affairs with the sitting PM.

Maybe Uncle Rupert said no, but surely he doesn’t own all of the British dailies?

Maybe it’s because the whole thing exposes the corruption deep within the union movement, a filth that we imported from the UK.

brc

27 Sep 12 at 11:13 am
Let’s get rid of silly rules like the 40/20 rule. Let’s admit it only exists because scrums are non contestable.

Yes, and let’s admit that the current scrums are pointless with the ball always being fed into the second row. Might as well just have the team with the feed re-start play by a play-the-ball.

So, bring back scrums where the ball must be put into the middle between the two front rows for the opposing hookers to stike at it with their feet.

Septimus

27 Sep 12 at 11:18 am
Apart from that photo – one of the greatest in the history of Australian sport – this is my favourite of big Norm Provan. A face his mother loved.

C.L.

27 Sep 12 at 11:19 am
Dot, you know what I hear a lot of in radio and TV commentary on rugby league? The pie. They’re always talking about ‘growing the size of the pie’ – for their own eating and enjoyment, of course. One of the reasons I despise Ray Hadley is that he’s always pushing the pie enlargement ideas despite what the punters say. A bloke rang him up on the Continuous Call Team a couple of months ago when the panel was discussing the time the GF will be aired (Sunday night, 8.30). Hadley laid into him and his mates – and the the desire he expressed for a more beer ‘n barby friendly airing time. Basically told him the game wasn’t about deadbeats like him anymore. It was about the Beautiful Pie Eaters and what was in their best interests. So part of the problem you raise is the existence of an elite who have become too gutless and too money-slavish to advocate and push for innovations attractive to the non pie-eating unwashed. I despise these leeches.

C.L.

27 Sep 12 at 11:28 am
Re #Leigh_ Sales_Spittle-Flecked_Venom

I think Mick well upthread nails it:

How dare those effete pissants masquerading as an executive and board of the ABC endorse her prejudiced, corrupt behaviour.

Can you imagine the organisational culture that would have HR-type stuff coming out their ears and yet not see anything to query in respect of Sales’ professionalism ?

Can you imagine the performance review process within that echo chamber, as Steve from Brisvegas ably illustrates:

“Mark Scott:

Leigh, well done on challenging and thought provoking journalism. Please make sure the Beretta under your desk is unloaded everytime before interviewing Tory filth.

Chris, too much ‘false balance’. Review tapes of Leigh and try harder.”

Sales is a symptom, not the cause. It is total management failure.

Myrrdin Seren

27 Sep 12 at 11:31 am
Herald Sun (and Daily Tele I think):

PM Julia Gillard’s tough action call wins United Nations support

…

Ms Gillard spoke to an almost full assembly where 140 leaders were meeting, without skipping a beat in a speech which received wide applause.

Good PR for the PM.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 11:34 am
Good PR for the PM.

As we have seen before, every time she leaves the country Labor has a small boost in the polls.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 11:35 am
Tony Abbott meanwhile has been on a character rescue mission with his daughters on morning FM radio.

Talking about the house fire incident.

(Rolling my eyes).

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 11:38 am
Abbott saves a couple of kids from a housefire, doesn’t stick around to get thanked and SFBrains rolls his eyes. Typical.
Hey, what if they had been your kids, SFB?

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 11:40 am
It’s just all a bit obvious, Gab.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 11:42 am
Ms Gillard saved a couple of wives and children too, from being a happy together family.
She’s just so wonderful.

candy

27 Sep 12 at 11:42 am
On today’s The Grill Team, Triple M’s Matty Johns brought something up about the Federal Opposition leader Tony Abbott which isn’t common knowledge.

“Tony Abbott is a hero. When Tony Abbott was a young man he rescued people from a fire and he’s never gone on record and said anything about this. Regardless of what’s gone on and he’s got that much too gain by making it public knowledge, he never has,” said Matty.

With his two daughters by his side, Mr. Abbott was a guest of The Grill Team and recalled the incident.

“Me and two mates were drinking at the pub. It was a long time ago. We were at Uni. There was a fire in the house next door and we all went round, and by that stage a few of us got out of the pub, and we managed to get the kids out of the house,” said Tony Abbott.

“It was just one of those things. You’ve had a few drinks, something’s happened and you did what needed to be done to make things as good as you could.”

Of course SFB would never be that heroic in the first place or modest.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 11:44 am
Oooh, nice one,, Candy.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 11:45 am
Aye, Gab. Always follow and check Steve’s links.

He always lies and distorts.

C.L.

27 Sep 12 at 11:46 am
LOL. The bitter women of Catallaxy.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 11:48 am
I see Gillard wore her frayed and stained white bib at the UN again.

Good Lord, woman, retire it to the attic.

C.L.

27 Sep 12 at 11:49 am
(Rolling my eyes).

How very effeminate of you nancy boy.
Have you produced enough testicular fortitude to admit that you are not, and never have been, a conservative?
I truly believe that if you dropped your pathetic attempts to be a wolf in sheeps clothing, you would not be subjected to quite as much vitriol as you normally are.
As it is, I think that you are one of the most despicable moral and intellectual cowards that I have encountered.
If you have a position on something, say it- don’t try to couch your argument by trying to say, “I’m really one of you, but………”
You simply don’t have the intellectual wherewithal to make a position on its merits, so you take the cowards way.
The fact that you rely on your wife to provide for your family while you contribute nil to society also points to the fact that you will always take the soft option, a coward by any measure.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

27 Sep 12 at 11:49 am
The bitter women of Catallaxy.

Yes, are rather bitter, SFB.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 11:53 am
LOL. The bitter women of Catallaxy.

SfB gets his arse handed to him by women again and so what does immediately do?

Breaks the glass on his emergency “misogynist quip” cupboard.

twostix

27 Sep 12 at 11:56 am
Chunkwart, relax, have a drink. Play some Microsoft flight sim, or whatever makes you feel better.

Simple fact is, Tony has had a plan of political attack that people have tired of, still looks nervous and defensive on interviews, and people’s trouble seeing him as PM is starting to hurt the Coalition. He’s a man who was promoted above his level of competence by one lucky vote.

His advisers think that instead it’s all about a kerfuffle over what he did in student politics 30 years ago, so he’s trying the character rescue bit. But that’s not the problem at all.

So sad that this analysis upsets people so much. (Well, not really. Stupid and wrong analysis is the perverse attraction of this place.)

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 11:57 am
Going back to the change in currency…

The Reserve Bank has been working on a top-secret plan for five years to issue a new series of banknotes at a cost of $9.3 million so far.

So far?…

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 12:02 pm
Stupid and wrong analysis is the perverse attraction of this place.

Yes – you’re both staggeringly stupid and unerringly wrong.

And you have a perverse attraction to this blog, presumably because you are a masochist.

Rabz

27 Sep 12 at 12:03 pm
So sad that this analysis upsets people so much. (Well, not really. Stupid and wrong analysis is the perverse attraction of this place.)

That after you, the esteemed resident wrongologist, just made your fourteen thousandth prediction that Abbott is in trouble.

After lying about an interview he did as the basis for your own “analysis”.

Sick.

twostix

27 Sep 12 at 12:05 pm
presumably because you are a masochist.

I remember Stephen Fry on some chat show saying that he used to dissuade his school mates from beating him up by saying “no, don’t do that, it’ll only give me an erection”.

Pretty funny, I thought.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 12:06 pm
Play some Microsoft flight sim, or whatever makes you feel better.

Unlike you Steve, my life does not revolve around having anonymous arguments with people that despise me on a blog.
I visit here to be informed and entertained by people with similar views on life and politics. Once I have had a look or maybe commented, I leave.
You see, unlike the pathetic waste of carbon that you are, I leave because I have a life. I have a job. I contribute to society.
You, on the other hand, contribute zero. You are despised by the people that you seem to spend all of your waking hours wanting to engage with.
You are a failure Steve. A misogynistic failure, who needs to take out his inadequacies on the women who hand him his arse on a plate daily.
Why do you hate women so much Steve? Is it because you resent that fact that you are so emasculated that you require your wife to provide for you?
I can’t believe that you are trying to dis me about my job, when you spend all day with the sound of one hand typing keeping you company.
You are a sad, pathetic loser.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

27 Sep 12 at 12:08 pm
Harsh, but fair, Huck.

blogstrop

27 Sep 12 at 12:13 pm
I think that Bolt has discovered the reason for SfB’s emasculation.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

27 Sep 12 at 12:13 pm
C.L.,

The SuperBowl starts at 6.30 pm in the US and they get 3.5 mln per ad.

I honestly don’t know who likes the time of the NRL GF.

Too late for kids and drinkers, too late for some retirees, it cuts into prime time chick lit and house reno shows.

I put it down to leechdom.

The sunday arvo games of the late 80s and early 1990s were better.

.

27 Sep 12 at 12:17 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9568183/Not-even-the-great-economists-of-history-can-get-us-out-of-this-fix.html

Watching Stephanie Flanders’s magisterial new series for the BBC, Masters of Money, it is clear that none of the three great political economists she profiles –Keynes, Hayek and Marx – has the answers to this problem. All three, in their different ways, offer plausible explanations of how the mess came about, but little in the way of realistic solutions.

Viva

27 Sep 12 at 12:19 pm
Speaking of the resident wrongologist, let’s have a little look back…

I agree with whoever it was who recently suggested that much of the government’s current image problem could be dealt with by a Gillard takeover of the leadership. I know it’s not going to happen

– steve from brisbane

16 Feb 10 at 4:33 pm.

LOL

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 12:19 pm
my life does not revolve around having anonymous arguments with people that despise me on a blog.

Actually, lately, most of the time, it just consists of putting up brief arguments and positions that are perfectly reasonable, and watching those who are easily scarred by dissent spew out scores of words of abuse and personality assessments which are as completely off the mark as their political and scientific assessments.

It’s perversely amusing in its own way.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 12:23 pm
Peter Robinson on Uncommon Knowledge had Trevor Reese-Jones on a little while back, explaining the frack-facts. The general public needs to be told.

blogstrop

27 Sep 12 at 12:25 pm
How did my insider status in the ALP let me down on that one, Gab? It’s a mystery, isn’t it…

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 12:26 pm
I must say, Gillard looks rather foolish ‘muscling up’ to Syria and Iran given that everybody knows Australia will not contribute anything to interventions in these countries – not least because her government has destroyed the Australian Defence Forces. Kind of like candidate Obama smacking down Howard’s rather silly call that Democrats commit more fully to Afghanistan. You first, Obama argued.

C.L.

27 Sep 12 at 12:27 pm
Gillard becomes UN education champion

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has appointed Prime Minister Julia Gillard one of 10 education champions in a new initiative.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news#ixzz27dKgIBHp

Gillard – the Oprah of the UN.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 12:32 pm
Can someone explain the sale of Dick Smith Electronics to me?

The Canucks paid 20 mln AUD for a firm which has an EBIT of 26 mln AUD? Has this been reported correctly?

Does it really cost more than this to sack people and rationalise, and pump up marketing…like I said, they already half did this…?

I’m no analyst, but consumer electronics seems like a pretty sick sector to be in at the moment. I would only expect that EBIT to nosedive as online sales grow and the market is pressed to cut the so-called ‘Australia tax’ on electronics which makes up the bulk of CE retailers’ profit margin. Though, you would have to think Woolworths is getting a hefty cut of future revenue to take that much of a haircut on DSE, no matter how dire its future looks.

I’d also reckon the whole rationalisation thing is outside of Woolworths’ competencies. Woolworths’ supply chain is geared towards high-volume lazy oligopoly (Supermarkets, Big W etc.) and they’d have a hard time sectioning off and fixing up the supply chain of one relatively inconsequential part of their business, especially in a properly competitive industry such as consumer electronics. JB Hi-Fi et al. would have it down to a tee.

tl;dr selling DSE seems best for WOW shareholders, no matter how dire the deal looks on paper.

Toxic

27 Sep 12 at 12:35 pm
I must say, Gillard looks rather foolish. ~~‘muscling up’ to Syria and Iran~~

Fixed that for you CL.

SfB, unfortunately I can’t hang around to play anymore, it’s time for me to go off and be productive, tootle-pip.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

27 Sep 12 at 12:36 pm
Ms Gillard saved a couple of wives and children too, from being a happy together family.
She’s just so wonderful.

Touché!!!

Tom

27 Sep 12 at 12:37 pm
Speaking of Bolt, as Chunkwart was, this is a bit odd sounding to me:

Lady Gaga’s music is irrelevant. Her real art is in reinventing her identity, and for that alone I like her.

As a boy I moved from town to country to town, and learned how powerfully liberating it could be to define afresh who you were.

Any idea of “defining afresh who I was” would have been a very foreign idea to me as a boy, or teenager, or adult. I would have to know more about what he means by this, but it sounds rather like he had a self confidence problem. And maybe that persists in a way.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 12:38 pm
Some others things the Wrongologist said:

Steve, nobody really takes much notice of your opinions. You predicted an ETS double dissolution and the destruction of Tony Abbott over the warmening issue. You thought Malcolm Turnbull’s 14 percent approval rating was wonderful and your whole political theory, as expostulated earlier in the year, seemed to revolve around Speedos and Lord Monckton’s eyeballs. You also said that when summer got going, voters would remember Nick Minchin which would lead to a generational collapse of the Liberal Party’s voting base. And finally, yesterday you invented the Eliza Doolittle story to argue that Julia has a beautiful speaking voice and fantasised at your blog about Tony Abbott being caught in adultery.

One positive thing: yesterday Gillard admitted that an ETS was currently impossible, thus confirming that Tony Abbott was right and you and Kevin Rudd were wrong.

– C.L.

25 Jun 10

This is fun.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 12:40 pm
it sounds rather like he had a self confidence problem. And maybe that persists in a way.

I doubt we will ever see a more clear-cut example of projection.

James in Melbourne

27 Sep 12 at 12:40 pm
Rudiau at 7:10am

That clip is gold!

Obio

27 Sep 12 at 12:43 pm
Gab, of course CL doesn’t summarise my arguments with any accuracy at all. You need to quote me directly in a wrong forecast for it to make any sense at all.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 12:44 pm
Now, how am I to hope for Abbott to lose his position? The only way I see is for him to (literally) be caught with his pants down somewhere with someone other than his wife.* It’s possible; I should never give up hope!

SFb on his pathetic blog, 24 Jun 2010.

http://www.opiniondominion.blogspot.com.au/2010/06/half-my-wish-fulfilled.html

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 12:46 pm
Fuck off, Dogshit. You’re a troll. And your see-through me-me-me SOP is grotesque and pathetic. It’ll only ever be all about you on your sad little commo blog with no readers.

Tom

27 Sep 12 at 12:50 pm
Peter Robinson on Uncommon Knowledge had Trevor Reese-Jones on a little while back, explaining the frack-facts. The general public needs to be told.

That is a great episode.

They had another episode with Thomas Sowell last week which again is worth listening. Sowell has such an amazing presence and understanding, I could listen to him all day.

I note from Bolta’s latest post an interesting story where Sowell’s words were powerful enough to shake someone loose of a horrible industry based around misery and keeping people in ignorance.

In my years of working as a professional Aborigine, I don’t think I did anything that really helped anybody much at all, and I know that I was a party to unfairness, abuses of power, wastefulness and plain silliness in the name of ‘reconciliation’ and ‘cultural sensitivity’.

Aside from a nagging sense of feeling like a complete fraud, things were reasonably OK until I made the mistake of reading works by Kwame Anthony Appiah, Amartya Sen’s Identity and Violence and Thomas Sowell’s Affirmative action around the world: an empirical study. (Please – stop reading what I have to say right now. Go and read this instead).

Token

27 Sep 12 at 12:51 pm
I wish Thomas Sowell had been the first black US President.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 12:55 pm
Now, how am I to hope for Abbott to lose his position? The only way I see is for him to (literally) be caught with his pants down somewhere with someone other than his wife.* It’s possible; I should never give up hope!

You can see our faux conservative is a Labor/Union man through and through.

Conservatives/Libertarians vote based upon values. Lefties hate.

Why waste our time worrying the sleaze? Life has taught me that the kharmic bus will be around to collect you soon.

Token

27 Sep 12 at 12:55 pm
I wish Thomas Sowell had been the first black US President.

Seconded.

Token

27 Sep 12 at 12:56 pm
Gab, stop quoting my old self deprecating witticisms. It’s upsetting Tom, Token, and some others.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 12:58 pm
Ramin Mehmanparast, spokesman for Ahmadinejad, gets attacked by refugee Iranians on streets of New York.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 1:07 pm
You need to quote me directly

So I did.

Gab, stop quoting

LOL

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 1:09 pm
No surprises these guys get along…

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad met with the Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan and other religious leaders Tuesday, according to an English translation of the Iranian president’s webpage posted Wednesday.

In a picture of the Tuesday evening meeting, Farrakhan — known for making brutally anti-Semitic assertions, and calling President Obama a “murderer” for the death of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi — is seen smiling as he sits at a table with the Iranian president.

Token

27 Sep 12 at 1:11 pm
The fact that you rely on your spouse to provide for your family while you contribute nil to society

Chuckleberry, are you suggesting people who stay at home to raise family are contributing nil to society?

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 1:11 pm
I can recall countless times Gab saying she ignores sfb, “don’t talk to me sfb”, “I’m not listening sfb”, blah blah blah. So it is interesting to see Gab dig up old quotes of Steve’s. Do you find her fascination in you a bit creepy Steve?

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 1:14 pm
SteveC: Just so you understand, I don’t bother correcting all (and there are a huge number) of the wrong claims that people here imagine about me. The “stay at home” husband idea is one of them.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 1:14 pm
I think I have a certain je ne sais quoi allure to [some] women, SteveC.

Heh.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 1:16 pm
“Apart from that photo – one of the greatest in the history of Australian sport …”

C.L. I was there that day (as a 13 yo!). There was a big Wests front rower who always stood out due to his fair hair, Dennis Meaney. At some stage he was flattened, evidently, and the play moved on to another part of the field.

The ground was a quagmire and one could not identify the players however I remember Meaney rising as a solitary figure from the mud in centre field, as if he’d emerged from the ground below, and until that point no-one knew he was even lying there.

On the discussion between you and Dot about League’s immortals – Norm Provan should be a walk up start given his prominence for such a long period. Meninga is a worthy contender because he had extraordinary skill (hands, balance, swerve) and he revived strong running centre play.

The over-rated, ill disciplined Johns does not deserve a place in the debate (off field events should be considered); and, for all their marvelous abilities, Daley and Fittler were merely outstanding players. I would even place Ron Coote in that category, he did not dominate his era as John Raper did in his – and that’s from a lifetime Rabbitohs man, who turned his back on the game when they kicked my beloved Souths out 20 odd years back.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

27 Sep 12 at 1:16 pm
Just got my first post-carbon tax bill.

I thought it was supposed to be itemised on it. But no. Buried in the fine print there is a note about the price increasing by 2.3c/kwh (10%) due to the carbon tax, but no dollar summary of how much that is contributing to the overall bill?

Has anyone else got theirs? I was expecting a ‘you paid $x carbon tax’ on this bill.

They are still covering with stupid bar grapsh of how much ‘evil carbon’ I’ve released into the atmosphere,but seem to be very circumspect about how much I paid for the privelege.

brc

27 Sep 12 at 1:20 pm
So Dogshit’s paymaster arrives, bells ringing, to stick it up the taxpayers. Don’t you just love bathing in the people’s money, you fucking thief.

Tom

27 Sep 12 at 1:21 pm
So Sherrin is evil because it has just discovered its subcontractor uses child labour to stitch footballs. Then when it immediately terminates the contract, it’s bad because it’s depriving Indian families of a source of income?

…they can’t really win can they?

papachango

27 Sep 12 at 1:26 pm
Mick, great observations – thanks.

You know, the more I think about it, there is the possibility that Provan will come through because of the ridiculous stand-off between Big Mal and Johns (who isn’t worthy). The compromise nomination. Which is insulting to him – he’s a full-on league legend; he’s on the NRL trophy, FFS!

Meninga is also a huge figure in the game. A State of Origin mainstay, personally responsible for transforming Canberra from a joke team to a competition leader, most capped Kangaroo at one stage (IIRC), heavily involved in the game’s development, heavily involved in indigenous development. Apart from all that, Meninga is apparently considered a god in Papua New Guinea.

C.L.

27 Sep 12 at 1:34 pm
Ace:

Ahmadinejad’s Spokesmen Gets Spat On, Harassed, Kicked in the Ass By Iranian Refugees In NYC

Videos:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/333240.php

C.L.

27 Sep 12 at 1:50 pm
So Sherrin is evil because it has just discovered its subcontractor uses child labour to stitch footballs.

Sherin’s error was to be a private enterprise organisation with a profit motive that chose to do business with the soviet republic of AFL.

Token

27 Sep 12 at 1:53 pm
spokesdouche for Ahmageddinebad, gets attacked by refugee Iranians on streets of New York.

Your good news story for the day.

Rabz

27 Sep 12 at 1:58 pm
STOP PRESS: It’s taken the Obama administration 15 days to acknowledge what the rest of the world knew a fortnight ago:

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Wednesday suggested there was a link between the Qaeda franchise in North Africa and the attack at the American diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, that killed the American ambassador and three others. She was the highest-ranking Obama administration official to publicly make the connection, and her comments intensified what is becoming a fiercely partisan fight over whether the attack could have been prevented.

Tom

27 Sep 12 at 1:59 pm
…they can’t really win can they?

One day business will realise the only way to “win” against this sort of pearl clutching moral panic by the superannuated blue haired leftists and their boring perpetually outraged Conservative pop-left children is to simply ignore them or laugh at them.

Australians don’t do boycotts because a company uses cheap labour, we sleep comfortably on our Chinese sweatshop built beds everynight.

twostix

27 Sep 12 at 2:19 pm
Apart from all that, Meninga is apparently considered a god in Papua New Guinea.

If I start a religion, Laird Hamilton will be my God, or at least a prophet with the status and mystical narrative of Elijah.

.

27 Sep 12 at 2:28 pm
Best thread on the Drum/Unelashed ever.

Well done, HUMPHREYS.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2739638.html

.

27 Sep 12 at 2:29 pm
Tax resistance has a glorious history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_tax_resistance

Filed under “What I didn’t learn at school but wish I had”

.

27 Sep 12 at 2:38 pm
brc, I guess its up to the provider. My bill from Lumo says in bold red “NSW Govt estimates that the federal carbon tax and green enery schemes add about 316 a year to a typical 7MWh household bill – see ipart.nsw.gov.au”. You could multiply the greenhouse gas figure x $23 for an estimate.

The problem with listing a figure would be it would be very hard to actually calculate it exactly on each bill, so the provider would be at risk of quoting an incorrect amount.

The provider is typically not the generator, so it would be virtually impossible to know how much of an individual bill was coal fired vs hydro or other renewable. So calculating an exact amount PER BILL would be equally impossible.

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 2:41 pm
They can get around the ‘estimate’ problem by just saying ‘estimated carbon tax content: $x’

If they can tell me how much extra per kwh the charge is, and they know how many kwh hours I used, they can give an estimate of how much it is.

I can work it out with a calculator, but the idea was to show people how much tax they are paying. I think the retailer is trying to hide the figure. I’m guessing that’s because my retailer is a rent-seeking parasite in bed with greens. I’m also about to start looking for a new retailer.

brc

27 Sep 12 at 2:46 pm
Check Drudge now. Classic front page montage.

Oh come on

27 Sep 12 at 3:08 pm
I see at Bolt’s site that 182 illegal Centrelink seekers arrived in three boats since last night – you know, boats “intercepted”, passengers waved through.

A quick look around the gummint’s web site reveals lots of reports obfuscating the facts up to 2010 or 2011, loquacious policy papers and standard empty threats of dire consequences, but no running total of future Labor voters / Pitt Street Mall rioters as they appear on the horizon.

Various immigration directors with very long job titles find time to belt off astonished letters to editors (faithfully recorded on the Media page) but nowhere can one readily see how many of the bludgers have landed from Christmas ’til end August or in this financial year, for example.

Does anyone know of a source / web site which keeps a running total over time?

Mick Gold Coast QLD

27 Sep 12 at 3:14 pm
You have got to be kidding. They called this satire.

Politico’s Paul Ryan Satire: The Joke’s on Them

Though Ryan had already decided to distance himself from the floundering Romney campaign, he now feels totally uninhibited. Reportedly, he has been marching around his campaign bus, saying things like, “If Stench calls, take a message” and “Tell Stench I’m having finger sandwiches with Peggy Noonan and will text him later.”

Paul Ryan vs. The Stench

Rudiau

27 Sep 12 at 3:19 pm
Hmmm..not takers on my suggestion we should get higher denomination bills as a disincentive for Governments not to tax too harshly and lose revenue to the black/grey economy?

It could be a history lesson for the kids. We could get Florey, Banks, Chisholm, Farrer, Lawson and Kingsford Smith, Cook, Sturt, Roden Cutler etc on/back on the notes…

$200, $500, $1000…do we need $2000, $5000 etc?

I also suggest we get $1 notes and $2 notes back as a way of paying petty fines such as minor speeding and parking offences.

.

27 Sep 12 at 4:04 pm
Cool maps from NASA:
Before and after: Arctic sea ice in 1984 and 2012

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 4:08 pm
So how much has the sea level risen from this?

.

27 Sep 12 at 4:09 pm
Sea ice dot. You’re confusing that with land ice.

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 4:12 pm
So nothing on the inconvenient ice levels in the Antarctic, then?

Rabz

27 Sep 12 at 4:16 pm
Dot,
Think of the Polar Bears.

Woolfe

27 Sep 12 at 4:16 pm
Dot,
Think of the Polar Bears.

They look very happy on those coca cola adverts, is that not true?

Token

27 Sep 12 at 4:20 pm
So nothing on the inconvenient ice levels in the Antarctic, then?

Well, nothing apart from being implicated in changes in the jet stream and blocking events such as that been responsible for things like the great Russian heatwave of 2010 which probably killed about 11,000 people and destroyed 1/4 of their wheat harvest.

Apart from that, nothing of note at all.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 4:23 pm
Sea ice dot. You’re confusing that with land ice.

So what you’re saying is – it doesn’t fucking matter.

You chump.

.

27 Sep 12 at 4:24 pm
Linky thing.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 4:24 pm
So nothing on the inconvenient ice levels in the Antarctic, then?

Question avoided by vermin, so still inconvenient..

Lazlo

27 Sep 12 at 4:26 pm
Malcolm Bloody Fraser.

Jannie

27 Sep 12 at 4:28 pm
Get a map of arctic ice extent in the Medieval warming period and get back to me Steves.
Oh, and explain the causes, of course.

jumpnmcar

27 Sep 12 at 4:28 pm
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-09-men-mind-male-dna-women.htmlhttp://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-09-men-mind-male-dna-women.html

Men on the mind: Study finds male DNA in women’s brains

For this research, scientists examined brain autopsy specimens from 59 women who had died between the ages of 32 and 101. Male microchimerism was detected in 63 percent of subjects, was distributed in multiple brain regions and was potentially persistent throughout the human lifespan; the oldest female in whom male fetal DNA was detected in the brain was 94.

Dead Soul

27 Sep 12 at 4:29 pm
Well, nothing apart from being implicated in changes in the jet stream and blocking events such as that been responsible for things like the great Russian heatwave of 2010 which probably killed about 11,000 people and destroyed 1/4 of their wheat harvest.

This is pure woo.

The jet stream’s current changed and this stopped wheat growing in the south West of Siberia, did it?

Russia got no hotter than a moderately hot summer’s day in Australia.

Fucking idiot.

Of course, this is from a picture in 2012.

.

27 Sep 12 at 4:29 pm
which probably killed about 11,000

It was reported in the UK’s Telegraph that many drowned while swimming due to being drunk. 11,000? Is that an official figure or something hyped up by one of those silly warmening catastrophe sites SFb goes to for disinformation?

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 4:33 pm
Dead Soul,

Is there any indication if these women were more or less intelligent than others?

.

27 Sep 12 at 4:37 pm
Latest on the Meagher Case:

Victorian Police Hero Super Commissioner General Intendent Potplant has announced an important breakthrough in the Meagher disappearance case, Take it away, SuperCommish:

“I’d like to report that a typical Brunswickian figure has stepped forward with some important information. This man was one of the figures visible in the CCTV footage released yesterday by our hard working team. Here is a statement from the man, Dan Gregster:”

The Gregster: “I cannot remember seeing Ms Meagher”

“There are three options here; Either the Gregster did see Ms Meagher and the man in the blue hoodie; he is lying; or he was blind drunk.”

“That’s what I call investigative progress – Don’t all thank me at once folks.”

“Now if you’ll excuse me, I have an important cultural outreach and interfaith meeting at a local restaurant to attend. We look forward to resuming our investigations on Tuesday.”

Press conference ends.

Rabz

27 Sep 12 at 4:37 pm
Lazlo, you moron. There have been a heap of articles in news and blog sites explaining why blog scientists Steve Goddard and Anthony Watts are wrong that the Antarctic ice somehow counteracts what is going on in the Arctic.

Here is one, which I may have even linked to here before.

But yes, buddy, you stick with your blog scientists. Monckton’s cure for what ails you will probably let you live to 150 too.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 4:39 pm
Is there any indication if these women were more or less intelligent than others?

Ha! You shit stirrer. No idea DOT.

Dead Soul

27 Sep 12 at 4:42 pm
All climate models beloved of the IPCC hypothesise polar amplification due to increased atmospheric CO2. Empirical observations of the Antarctic thoroughly contradict the hypothesis.

Thus polar amplification hypothesis disproved and climate models seriously flawed. That is why it is inconvenient.

Lazlo

27 Sep 12 at 4:42 pm
Straw man argument. See above re climate model failure. It’s called scientific method.

Lazlo

27 Sep 12 at 4:44 pm
Projections made from climate models all predict that global warming should impact Arctic sea ice first and most intensely, Serreze said

Hmmm.

jumpnmcar

27 Sep 12 at 4:46 pm
Lazlo you are ignorant. Climate modelling predicted Arctic amplification and much slower effects to Antarctica.

Article in Real Climate from 2006 explaining this.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 4:50 pm
great Russian heatwave of 2010 which probably killed about 11,000 people

Shades of hussein obongo’s mythical killer kansas tornado there, sfb…

Rabz

27 Sep 12 at 4:51 pm
Lazlo you seemed to have upset the housefrau. One can always tell by his argumentum ad insultum.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 4:52 pm
‘Death spiral’ Serreze has form making lurid, baseless and unscientific pronouncements.

Now, point us to the peer-reviewed science that supports his statement. Anyone?

Lazlo

27 Sep 12 at 4:53 pm
Is there any indication if these women were more or less intelligent than others?

And did these women enjoy watching movies that had car chases and explosions?

Dangph

27 Sep 12 at 4:53 pm
Lazlo you seemed to have upset the housefrau.

Because he doesn’t have a clue what he is talking about and is talking about the “scientific method”.

This blog attracts fan of blog scientists like flies.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 4:55 pm
Russia got no hotter than a moderately hot summer’s day in Australia.

Quite.

The highest temperature ever recorded in Russia was 44.0 °C (111.2 °F), set on 11 July, in Yashkul, Kalmykia, beating the previous record of 43.8 °C (110.8 °F) set on 6 August 1940, also in Kalmykia.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 4:56 pm
Yeah sure, Gab. 44 degrees is a “moderately hot summer’s day”. What rubbish.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 5:01 pm
A heat wave started in Moscow on the 27 June,[43] as temperatures reached 33.1 °C (91.6 °F), and stayed around 30 °C (90 °F) for the rest of the week.[43][44]

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 5:03 pm
The ABC stenographers are now regurgitating some nonsence about Abbott using animal similes re the Carbon Tax. This sketch is getting silly, as the Monty Python team would say.

blogstrop

27 Sep 12 at 5:03 pm
Yes Steve, you refer to a entire season, I note the average temp and you refer to the hottest day of the year.

Fuckwit.

.

27 Sep 12 at 5:05 pm
SfB’s a Climate Scientologist.

blogstrop

27 Sep 12 at 5:05 pm
Traditional scientific method (abridged):

form hypothesis, test with evidence, adjust or reject hypothesis if not supported by evidence.

Postnormal climate astrological method:

determine desired conclusions, write computer program that outputs supporting results, ignore inconvenient empirical evidence, call the science settled and insult anyone who disagrees

Lazlo

27 Sep 12 at 5:07 pm
The 2006 piece from the much wanked-over RealClimate is an op ed.

The citations in the piece either describe observations of what is going on in the Antarctic (prior to 2006) or try to explain why it is happening. None of them say that IPCC models have predicted what is observed.

The models are wrong. Next?

Lazlo

27 Sep 12 at 5:15 pm
Catallaxy Scientific Method: start from premise that government should always be as small as possible, and taxes are all e-vil; disbelieve all science if it suggests government response is required to get an effective solution; believe instead blog scientists and a handful of contrarian real climate scientists (who also all happen to be small government/libertarian/creationist types.)

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 5:18 pm
Rabz and Lazlo – do you mean Antarctic sea ice or land ice?

Dot –

Sea ice dot. You’re confusing that with land ice.
So what you’re saying is – it doesn’t fucking matter.

If you think the problem with melting sea ice is raising sea levels then you need to do a bit more homework.

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 5:19 pm
disbelieve all science if it suggests gubberment response is required to get an effective solution

Oh, FFS. Do you really want to go there?

who also all happen to be small government/glibertarian/creationist types

You forgot believing the moon landings were faked…

Rabz

27 Sep 12 at 5:22 pm
Here’s NASA’s spin on that pesky Antarctic ice…

Rabz

27 Sep 12 at 5:24 pm
If you think the problem with melting sea ice is raising sea levels

We don’t.

Rabz

27 Sep 12 at 5:25 pm
Rabz,
your first post on Jill meagher was somewhat amusing, though you seemed skeptical about the idea of the planted handbag and assumed it was police imcompetence.
Your second post was also slightly amusing, regarding the reason for searching the missing woman’s apartment. As it was in response to a post by me asking for an update I can’t really complain.
However your third post has pushed your original humour into the are of very poor taste. A woman is missing, possibly adbucted, possibly murdered. Do you really think it appropriate to post your witticisms?

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 5:31 pm
Dot seems to think so Rabz.

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 5:32 pm
Information on recent rapid warming in Antarctica

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 5:35 pm
Lazlo, you are lazy and an idiot and not worth spending time finding the links to show you are wrong.

The IPCC always expected the Arctic to warm up much faster than Antarctica. It is happening that way and is no surprise, and minor variations at the moment in Antarctic sea ice does not challenge AGW predictions at all.

Except to the dumb and ignorant and ideologically motivated to disbelieve science like you.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 5:36 pm
So, vermin reject the traditional scientific method then..

Lazlo

27 Sep 12 at 5:37 pm
Vermin exemplifies postnormal climate astrological method..

Lazlo

27 Sep 12 at 5:39 pm
You might reasonably suspect that all the fuss about disappearing Arctic sea ice is overblown, then, given the growth of ice down south.

But you’d be wrong, for all sorts of reasons.

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 5:42 pm
If you think the problem with melting sea ice is raising sea levels then you need to do a bit more homework.

There is no problem. Fuck off.

.

27 Sep 12 at 5:43 pm
Question avoided by vermin, so still inconvenient..

call the science settled and insult anyone who disagrees

interesting juxtaposition.

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 5:44 pm
The GRACE stuff has been subsequently debunked. Do keep up.

Vermin is not confined to climate astrological types. It is a generic term for people who turn up here simply to be a pest. As with other vermin, the people here despise them and want them eradicated.

Lazlo

27 Sep 12 at 5:47 pm
Dot, are you saying the Arctic sea ice is not melting (thus “no problem”) or it is melting, but that is not a problem?

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 5:49 pm
So SfB, does that mean the Climate crisis is big enough to consider nuclear energy with all the necessary safeguards they have in places like France?

Or do you rate the danger so low that we can waste another 50 years spending borrowed billions on energy options that can not and will not provide the base load power we need?

Page 18 has the population projections in the key assumptions:

2008 21.6M people, 2030 28.5M people

Page 29 shows energy consumption across Aus

in 2007/08 was 5724PJ, in 2029/30 demand is projected to be 7715PJ.

Page 37 shows energy generation by source

2007/08 only 172PJ generated by re-new-balls, in 2029/30 it is projected it would have reached 262PJ

Steve C, you are the other AGW zealot so you can help SoB if you want.

How do you think we’ll address the demand for an extra 2000PJ when the gubbermint experts tell us re-new-balls will only grow by 90PJ?

Token

27 Sep 12 at 5:50 pm
Docement: Australian energy
projections to 2029-30 ABARE

Token

27 Sep 12 at 5:50 pm
Steve from Brisbane, the best organisational principle is actually this:

The government should be as small as possible, but not smaller.

Jannie

27 Sep 12 at 5:51 pm
To help Lazlo and Rabz with my question about the difference between land ice and sea ice:

A new paper in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is sure to help, though. Using two different measurement techniques, a team of geophysicists from the U.S. and Netherlands has shown that the ice in Antarctica and Greenland is not only vanishing into the sea: the rate of disappearance has been accelerating over an 18-year period, with about 36.3 billion metric tons more ice lost each year compared to the year before.

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 5:51 pm
Ya should see the jugs on these girls (pic No.4, don’t go anywhere else, verboten)

Rudiau

27 Sep 12 at 5:53 pm
Dot, are you saying the Arctic sea ice is not melting (thus “no problem”) or it is melting, but that is not a problem?

It melts every summer, returns every winter.

The minor reduction of 10-15% over the past 10 years in arctic ice is welcome. As you are aware, the arctic has been ice free previously. Its a cyclical thing, much like all climate. Zero evidence that it has anything to do with atmospheric concentrations of CO2, in fact the null hypothesis has been confirmed.

Will

27 Sep 12 at 6:07 pm
A new paper in the journal Geophysical Research Letters is sure to help, though. Using two different measurement techniques, a team of geophysicists from the U.S. and Netherlands has shown that the ice in Antarctica and Greenland is not only vanishing into the sea: the rate of disappearance has been accelerating over an 18-year period, with about 36.3 billion metric tons more ice lost each year compared to the year before.

New paper? published very early 2011 !

This paper, by Rignot et al also make comment about their extrapolations:

While this value may not be used as a projection given the considerable uncertainty in future acceleration of ice sheet mass loss, it provides one indication of the potential contribution of ice sheets to sea level in the coming century if the present trends continue.

LOL

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 6:07 pm
Will, how do arrive at the 10-15% figure?

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 6:11 pm
Gab, Did I say anything about sea-level rise?

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 6:27 pm
Oh BTW Gab, when you say “this value” what value were they referring to?

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 6:31 pm
SteveC, why don’t you just fuck off. I’m working away and open up The Cat every now and again just to read any new articles and comments, just to have my time wasted ploughing through fuckers like you spawning shit.

Fuck off to Crikey or The Drum you c*nt.

harrys on the boat

27 Sep 12 at 6:49 pm
SteveC

Harry is making lots of sense. Can Kimberly your plastic sex doll somehow entice you go to the Dumb or Crikey.

Thanks and frig off.

JC

27 Sep 12 at 6:58 pm
The fact is Steve I’m a laid back bloke who couldn’t really give a shit about most things. But you actually rile me to forward websites to colleagues/friends on a regular basis, highlighting what a bunch of twats you socialist pricks are.

You’re such a dumb c*nt. You comment here thinking your scoring points and probably bragging to your sad pathetic friends about it, but what your actually doing is getting people like me involved. Fuckers like you and the other cretins on this site encourage me to make sure we beat you socialist c*nts to a pulp.

harrys on the boat

27 Sep 12 at 7:04 pm
Again we’re being lectured by political activists (whose primary aim is to destroy capitalism) about the climate. And everytime we fact-check what they have to say, we find out they’re lying, fudging and exaggerating pseudo-science that, after two decades of trying, still can’t prove its hypothesis and has been caught repeatedly doctoring the data. “What else could it be?” is not a sufficient standard of evidence to prove that evil humans are cooking the planet. Especially not when the haranguing is coming from communist-socialist political agitators like the dregs who have attached themselves to the Cat.

Tom

27 Sep 12 at 7:27 pm
You comment here thinking your scoring points and probably bragging to your sad pathetic friends about it, but what your actually doing is getting people like me involved.

SteveC’s only friend is Kimberly, his sex doll.

JC

27 Sep 12 at 7:29 pm
Always worth a look – Stevieliar QC at his finest explaining why he can’t leave this place alone…

But it has to be said – I’ve been wanting to say it here for so long – Catallaxy has the largest collection of obnoxious, immature, misogynistic, unreasonable, dishonest, disingenuous, lazy, dumb, gullible, un-insightful, self absorbed, uncharitable, childish, abusive, detached from reality, unpleasant, unscientific, selfish, tribal, repetitive, hypocritical, pedantic, tedious, psychologically unbalanced, and flat out wrong collection of commenters in all of the Australian blogosphere.

Stevie, have you dressed appropriately for your husbands homecoming? Made his dinner?

Tiny Dancer

27 Sep 12 at 7:32 pm
Wow, Labor really can waste money.
A brand new embassy in Jakarta for an ex-politition to entertain in.
How much you ask?
$230,000,000 using Indo labour !!!

It will be Australia’s largest Embassy complex anywhere in the world.

( For the vermin, download the images for a closer look. Can you see any solar panels or wind mills? )

jumpnmcar

27 Sep 12 at 7:40 pm
That’s $230 mil estimated cost, if labor organised the contracts it’ll be closer to $500mil pushed into the coalitions term.

jumpnmcar

27 Sep 12 at 7:44 pm
Oh BTW Gab, when you say “this value” what value were they referring to?

I can give you a link to the paper if it would help, Gab

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 7:45 pm
Back to work for you then, harry.

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 7:46 pm
Oh BTW Gab, when you say “this value” what value were they referring to?
I can give you a link to the paper if it would help, Gab

You really are losing it. You quoted from an article which references a “new” paper. I followed the link, found the “new” paper referenced in the article you linked to. I just assumed you had read the paper that was being linked in the article you linked to. Clearly I was srong.

Here‘s the “new” paper. Go knock yourself out.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 7:54 pm
Carr had a lovely soft time on 7:30.
Hmmm…

jumpnmcar

27 Sep 12 at 7:55 pm
Gab, I’m still curious to know when you said when you said “this value” above, what value were they referring to?

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 7:57 pm
He always does, Jump.

JC

27 Sep 12 at 7:57 pm
Here’s a tip Gab, don’t get your quotes from WUWT. I know Shoes and Science both start with S, but that’s where the similarity ends. Stick to what you know about.

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 7:59 pm
Here’s a tip, Stevec, read what you link to.

Now, like many people here have already told you: Fuck off and stop filling this thread with garbage.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 8:03 pm
The IPCC always expected the Arctic to warm up much faster than Antarctica. It is happening that way and is no surprise, and minor variations at the moment in Antarctic sea ice does not challenge AGW predictions at all.

The IPCC? I guess they think the arctic will heat up faster as all the heat rises to the top of the enclosed vessel, as written about by some teenage undergraduate in the humanities.

blogstrop

27 Sep 12 at 8:04 pm
You’re an offensive, arrogant c**t, SteveC.

Tom

27 Sep 12 at 8:04 pm
What an amazingly tough interview of bob Carr by Leigh sales, she clearly wanted to have his babies and because he was in New York physical contact just wasn’t possible that must have been hard for Leigh. To think people accuse her of being biased?

Rob

27 Sep 12 at 8:06 pm
Says Tom, the big cheery fella who wouldn’t insult a fly. Give us a hug, ya lug.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 8:07 pm
Gab, the figure they were referring to was 36.5 Gt/yr2.
Is there a reason you can’t answer the question. As I said, you should avoid cuttng and pasting from WUWT when you don’t know what they are referring to.

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 8:08 pm
How much are you being paid to make a c**t of yourself here, Dogshit, you low-rent whore?

Tom

27 Sep 12 at 8:09 pm
While this value may not be used as a projection given the considerable uncertainty in future acceleration of ice sheet mass loss, it provides one indication of the potential contribution of ice sheets to sea level in the coming century if the present trends continue.

LOL

LOL, indeed.

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 8:09 pm
A discussion on ABC radio 702 this evening at 5.30 started out by looking at the Morsi statement about religious vilification and provocation being outside the proper role for “free speech”, which should be limited.
The panel went on to discuss this, and despite the presence of Peter Coleman, nobody thought to say hey, wait a minute; Imams all over the Middle-east denigrate the jews on a regular basis in hateful and often murderous terms, so are they going to stop?

blogstrop

27 Sep 12 at 8:09 pm
Last time for the idiot:

If the acceleration in ice sheet loss of 36.3 ± 2 Gt/yr2 continues for the next decades, the cumulative ice sheet loss would raise global sea level by 15 ± 2 cm in year 2050 compared to 2009/2010. The GIC would contribute a sea level rise of 8 ± 4 cm, and thermal expansion of the ocean
would add another 9 ± 3 cm based on the average of scenarios A1B, A2 and B1 [Meehl et al., 2007], for a total rise of 32 ± 5 cm. At the current rate of acceleration in ice sheet loss, starting at 500 Gt/yr in 2008 and increasing at 36.5 Gt/yr2, the contribution of ice sheets alone scales up to 56 cm by 2100.
While this value may not be used as a projection given the considerable uncertainty in future acceleration of ice sheet mass loss, it provides one indication of the potential contribution of ice sheets to sea level in the coming century if
the present trends continue.

That is not from WUWT, you moron, it’s from the paper you inadvertently linked to but didn’t read.

All this kerfuffle over stupid ideas that the Arctic has never had cycles of warm and heat. Piss off, stevec.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 8:13 pm
warm and cold

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 8:14 pm
Latest on the Meagher Case:

Arrest of man in relation to disappearance of Gillian Meagher
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Thursday, 27 September 2012 18:56

Homicide Squad Missing Persons Unit detectives arrested a man today in relation to the disappearance of Gillian Meagher.

A 41-year-old Coburg man was arrested this afternoon and he is currently in custody assisting police with their enquiries.

H/T Michael Smith

Rudiau

27 Sep 12 at 8:21 pm
Exactly Gab, so the “extrapolation” you referred to was related to sea level rise, and nothing to do with the actual ice loss, which was the point of my post.
from WUWT:

Rignot et al. (2011) were quick to note that this rather naïve extrapolation was probably less than reliable:

Followed by your exact quote. And of course the two hours it took you to find the actual “this value” Excuse my scepticism for the source of your original post.

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 8:35 pm
And of course the two hours it took you to find the actual “this value”

You really are a fucking idiot. Unlike you, I don’t have the luxury of sitting on the couch and refreshing the Cat all day long and do nothing else. You have made no point at all. You are. by your very nature, pointless. And you still fill this thread with crap.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 8:39 pm
Gab keep sticking to what you know while the 2 Steve’s stick to what they’re told. The irony of his condescension is magnificent. Leftism – a self awareness free zone.

Rousie

27 Sep 12 at 8:40 pm
Ohh, I see why there are no solar panels on the NEW $230mil embassy in Jakarta.
Because Leightons, who are building this waste, are also helping with all the coal power stations over there.
http://www.theindonesiatoday.com/joomla-pages-iii/categories-list/57-indonesia-news/indonesia-news/447-leighton-awarded-davao-coal-fired-power-plant.html

Theiss is building a few as well. Geez they’re embracing renewball them Indos eh.

jumpnmcar

27 Sep 12 at 8:40 pm
Another interesting paper on Arctic sea ice for you Gab.

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 8:41 pm
Hey, at least I have places to be on Friday and Saturday nights, unlike Febro Phil the fat oiled-up trannie who is pathetically so lonely she/he spends Friday and Staurday nights here. Poor dumb lonely looney Phil.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 8:47 pm
Hey Phil, whatever happened between you and Graeme? Lover’s tiff? He finally throw you out?

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 8:48 pm
And here comes Klepto the pixel thief, who thinks inanity is a useful contribution to society. News flash Klepto – you suck

Rousie

27 Sep 12 at 8:49 pm
Obama Royalty.

Taxpayers spent $1.4 billion dollars on everything from staffing, housing, flying and entertaining President Obama and his family last year, according to the author of a new book on taxpayer-funded presidential perks.

In comparison, British taxpayers spent just $57.8 million on the royal family.

Author Robert Keith Gray writes in “Presidential Perks Gone Royal” that Obama isn’t the only president to have taken advantage of the expensive trappings of his office. But the amount of money spent on the first family, he argues, has risen tremendously under the Obama administration and needs to be reined in.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 8:49 pm
SteveC, the whole scam has been uncovered, the unscience is now known for what it is, and you are reduced to arguing with one solitary remaining person who can be bothered with you. Sad, really.

blogstrop

27 Sep 12 at 8:50 pm
morn to midnight cut and paste function

LOL says the dumb idiot Febro who has been caught out plagiarizing on at least three occasions. Has no opinion her/himself. Has to steal them.

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 8:51 pm
“Cool maps from NASA:
Before and after: Arctic sea ice in 1984 and 2012″

Hey Steve, give up on the sea ice and levels for a bit, or you can come over to my place and explain it to me over a glass or two of cheap plonk, however i must warn you I have a habit of not listening but looking like i’m interested but really thinking of something much more practical like getting the clothes off the line and what to cook for dinner.

candy

27 Sep 12 at 8:55 pm
Gab says

It was only a matter of time before they came for the Super. This desperate need to conjure up fictional surplus is just ridiculous.

Budget axe hangs over super funds as Canberra looks for savings

too right they will come for the super which is why i keep nothin in it they can come for
Super has been one motherfucking monumental scam

Alice

27 Sep 12 at 8:59 pm
Blog –
So true. They remind me of the Amish.
Except they don’t make anything.
And they’re dishonest.

Rousie

27 Sep 12 at 8:59 pm
LOL Candy, bravo!

Token

27 Sep 12 at 9:01 pm
hey sfb, this sounds like the “right that have moved away from you”
The GOP’s environmental disaster
It wasn’t always against protecting the planet

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 9:07 pm
Good idea candy. I’ll explain how god doesn’t exist at the same time

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 9:08 pm
Rousie, the Greens are a little like the Shakers in that they don’t approve of breeding, but totally unattractive. How long will we have to wait, though, for them to unbreed out?

blogstrop

27 Sep 12 at 9:11 pm
I have a habit of not listening but looking like i’m interested but really thinking of something much more practical like getting the clothes off the line and what to cook for dinner.

Candy, you may have had SteveC’s pulse racing at “getting the clothes off”, until his eyes and overworked mouth got to the end of the sentence, whereupon he finds that you’re really channelling SfB.
But he might like that – they’d make a lovely couple.

blogstrop

27 Sep 12 at 9:15 pm
Heres a tip, SteveC and shit both start with S but the similarities don’t end there

Tiny Dancer

27 Sep 12 at 9:17 pm
That’s right. CO2 is pollution, like um real pollution.
No conflation to see here folks.
Take a moment to think about what they’re telling you to say before you say it stevie.
Show some dignity man.

Rousie

27 Sep 12 at 9:22 pm
Alice, they’ve already been quietly lifting bits of our super.
The NBN and the desal plants are being funded in part by the SuperFunds.

Winston Smith

27 Sep 12 at 9:27 pm
what would happen if all small businesses decided to give their eplyees their super instead of forwarding it to a “fund of their choice” ? I mean in a recordable, traceable way. The employee is then responsible for his/her OWN retirement funding. No dollar diff to the small (or big) business after all. This is the way ot always should have been
In the USA they have soe special bank savings scheme, a retirement . Does anyone know how this works, should we try it here?

hz

27 Sep 12 at 9:34 pm
blog, I did notice that, but thought better of mentioning it.

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 9:37 pm
Plenty of miracles beloved by the religious warmists, but no evidence of attribution anywhere.

A bunch of government and renewable industry money corrupted, ignorant weather deniers!

Lazlo

27 Sep 12 at 10:00 pm
Seems the python squeezed the life out of the cobra, and then the wrecking ball squashed the python, but never fear, Henry to the rescue!

SteveC

27 Sep 12 at 10:13 pm
hz

You would have to get a SMSF to invest it in a bank. So you need to pay the trust fees, possibly company fees and the auditing fee and the assurance fee every year.

FFS. it doesn’t have to be that hard, does it?

Surely some of our banks offer a super deposit account? It would make super a piece of piss, the customer service officer would sign you up to your own trust with the bank perhaps as a corporate trustee.

They could attract a decent return simply because of their long lived maturities – firstly ala the yield curve and then compounding.

.

27 Sep 12 at 10:18 pm
dotdotdot,

this is good thinking, I am on the wrong thread but thanks for answering.

wonder what Mr Keating is thinking now about how it all turned out !!

I am increasingly irritated that NO-ONE in govt is
considering this subject, especial;y since theya re all so excercised over who can marry who. Super is so
much more important in the long run.

hz

27 Sep 12 at 10:27 pm
Unlike you, I don’t have the luxury of sitting on the couch and refreshing the Cat all day long and do nothing else.

Well said, Gab. These trolls are time wasters and have no lives of their own.

Mostly my life is so busy I run to stand still; like many here. I hop into the Cat inbetween times, for good thinking company and a laugh. Someone here once compared it to taking a walk in the neighbourhood and briefly meeting people you know, saying hi and maybe exchanging a few views. It’s a public place and you also see people you want to avoid, so it’s best to cross the street when a troll appears.

Candy – never invite these creeps round, even in imagination; they might start to feel they are acceptable. You are so kind-hearted, but giving away a few Female State Secrets too – most guys, especially feeble-minded boring ones, don’t realise our occasional big-eyed rather intent look is because we actually aren’t much present, but more productively engaged in planning a lot of other things behind the eye-glaze. Always multi-tasking. Of course, (cheers for the real Cat men) when the guy is nice and we really are thinking it’s Christmas, then natch the big eyes are full of appreciation and about something else altogether.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

27 Sep 12 at 10:46 pm
SteveC.

Steve Chapman is a dick. He’s a dishonest partisan dick and you’re his lick spittle.

These days the EPA and the other arms of government or NGOs that focus on da ‘vironment look nothing like the EPA and the other shit like what those early Republicans set up and the direction they wanted to go, you moron.

Seriously, there will be $100,000 for you in a cashiers cheque if you could suggest one of those early Republicans even remotely resemble Tubbsie Milne of Mad Dog Bob.

Look, fuck knuckle, the basic credo of those people was that da ‘vironment could co-exist with human prosperity and interference. In other words they weren’t misogynist slimeballs.

JC

27 Sep 12 at 10:52 pm
‘De-populating the planet’ is the call I have heard from people educating our children in universities..

Lazlo

27 Sep 12 at 10:57 pm
My eyes also glaze over regarding superannuation. It’s rather like football to me. I simply don’t get it, don’t understand it, don’t want to.

Da Hairy Ape understands it all. He’s good like that. Takes risks and controls risk.

I don’t worry my pretty little head anymore. If we go bust, I’ll still love him.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

27 Sep 12 at 11:02 pm
‘De-populating the planet’ is the call I have heard from people educating our children in universities..

It’s all you used to hear from the Greenies in the ’90′s.

twostix

27 Sep 12 at 11:06 pm
Obama knew within 24 hours that AL-Queda assassinated his ambassador:

U.S. Officials Knew Libya Attacks Were Work of Al Qaeda Affiliates
Sources say intelligence agencies knew within a day that al Qaeda affiliates were behind the attacks in Benghazi, Libya—they even knew where one of the attackers lived.

Within 24 hours of the 9-11 anniversary attack on the United States consulate in Benghazi, U.S. intelligence agencies had strong indications al Qaeda–affiliated operatives were behind the attack, and had even pinpointed the location of one of those attackers. Three separate U.S. intelligence officials who spoke to The Daily Beast said the early information was enough to show that the attack was planned and the work of al Qaeda affiliates operating in Eastern Libya….

Nonetheless, it took until late last week for the White House and the administration to formally acknowledge that the Benghazi assault was a terrorist attack. On Sunday, Obama adviser Robert Gibbs explained the evolving narrative as a function of new information coming in quickly on the attacks. “We learned more information every single day about what happened,” Gibbs said on Fox News. “Nobody wants to get to the bottom of this faster than we do.”

Another U.S. intelligence official said, “There was very good information on this in the first 24 hours. These guys have a return address. There are camps of people and a wide variety of things we could do.”

A spokesman for the National Security Council declined to comment for the story. But another U.S. intelligence official said, “I can’t get into specific numbers but soon after the attack we had a pretty good bead on some individuals involved in the attack.”

The lying scumbag President caught being a scumbag and liar yet again.

Will the MSM notice?

JamesK

27 Sep 12 at 11:17 pm
And now for something completely different.

Egyptian prosecutors referred to trial Tuesday a well-known radical Islamist who tore up an English copy of the Bible during a protest outside the U.S. Embassy in Cairo against an anti-Islam film produced in the United States.

The case against Ahmed Mohammed Abdullah is a rare example of Egypt’s blasphemy laws — often condemned by rights groups as restrictive of freedom— used against someone who allegedly insulted a religion other than Islam.

http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-09-25/egypt-refers-man-who-tore-bible-to-trial

Jarrah

27 Sep 12 at 11:19 pm
And now for more of the same.

CAIRO — Accused of defaming Islam and the sanctity of all religions, Egyptian activist Albert Saber stood in court on Wednesday in his first trial session as he denied all charges.

Saber, a 27-year-old blogger and activist who comes from a Coptic Christian family, was arrested at his home in Cairo two weeks ago without a warrant, according to his lawyer.

“Albert’s arrest in itself was illegal, he was taken without proper documentation and warrant,” said Karim Abdelrady, Saber’s lawyer.

“His court date was set very quickly, faster than police officers accused of killing protesters during protests over the past two years,” he said.

Kariman Masiha, Saber’s mother, said the prosecutor informed her and lawyers that a group of citizens filed a case accusing Saber of sharing the anti-Islamic video on his personal social networking sites.

Abdelrady, the attorney, said the prosecution found no evidence linking Saber to the video. However, the young man was accused of previously posting online videos of himself as he spoke negatively of religion. The prosecution decided to put Saber, a secular activist, on trial for blaspheming all monolithic religions, the lawyer said.

Abdelrady said the prosecution held Wednesday’s session while refusing to allow the defendant’s lawyers to review the evidence. If found guilty, Saber could face up to six years in prison.
…
Masiha said that shortly after her son’s arrest their home was raided without a search warrant, and her son’s computer, CDs and some of their personal belongings were confiscated.

“The government has become worse; they are pitting us Egyptians against each other,” she said. “I just hope we will end these ‘Christian and Muslim’ labels and stand by each other and against injustice just like we did in the revolution.”

Gab

27 Sep 12 at 11:30 pm
De-populate? Fuck ‘em.
I say let’s drink a toast to the nine billion = 4.5 billion couplings, not to mention the practice.

Lazlo

27 Sep 12 at 11:33 pm
As noted at the Washington Post:

It is obvious that, with a deficit at 8 percent of gross domestic product, any solution to our budgetary problems has to involve both spending cuts and tax increases. Ronald Reagan agreed to tax increases when the deficit hit 4 percent of GDP; George H.W. Bush did so when the deficit was 3 percent of GDP. But today’s Republican Party is organized around the proposition that, no matter the circumstances, there must never be a tax increase of any kind. The Simpson-Bowles proposal calls for $1 of tax increases for every $3 of spending cuts. But every Republican presidential candidate — including Romney — pledged during the primaries that he or she would not accept $10 of spending cuts if that meant a dollar of tax increases.

So Romney could present a serious economic plan with numbers that make sense — and then face a revolt within his own party. His solution: to be utterly vague about how he would deal with the deficit.

steve from brisbane

27 Sep 12 at 11:41 pm
Don’t know where I got that from, getting late – 9 billion couplings.

Spread over, on average, 70 years ~= 130 million successful spawnings per year.

Now, at a success rate from personal experience of about 1 in 50 in the spawning season, that makes about 6.5 million per year, just for those trying to succeed.

So, where was I?

Lazlo

27 Sep 12 at 11:46 pm
“So, where was I?”

No-one knows. Or cares.

Jarrah

27 Sep 12 at 11:58 pm
“It is obvious that, with a deficit at 8 percent of gross domestic product, any solution to our budgetary problems has to involve both spending cuts and tax increases.”

No, that’s crap. It all depends on the timeline, of course, but spending cuts are the only long-term solution to the US deficit woes. The Post is falling for the short-termism that afflicts Europe, where their spending cuts and tax increases are getting the worst of both worlds.

Jarrah

28 Sep 12 at 12:02 am
Will the MSM notice the Daily Beast? Don’t know – will they notice the View? Mad magazine?

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 12:02 am
Five years out of the game, former drug user Andrew Johns beats out legends Meninga and Norm Provan (whose image adorns the fucking NRL premiership trophy) to become an ‘Immortal.’ Fatty Vaughtin defends the disgrace tonight by saying ‘he’s a good bloke; I play golf with him.’

C.L.

28 Sep 12 at 12:04 am
Fairly scandalous that this pilot oxygen problem with the F-22 took so long to address.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 12:05 am
Jarrah: even if you argue that Romney is right to not increase taxes, his approach is to effectively increase the tax taken from the middle class (by removing deductions they most heavily rely on) and reduce it for the rich. It makes no sense to do so.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 12:11 am
Steve, you know as much about economics as you do about science.

Which is to say, zero.

Be quiet, dum-dum.

C.L.

28 Sep 12 at 12:22 am
“his approach is to effectively increase the tax taken from the middle class (by removing deductions they most heavily rely on) and reduce it for the rich. It makes no sense to do so.”

The reason it makes no sense is because it’s not root-and-branch reform of a complicated and contradictory taxation regime. Cutting the top rate for federal income tax and eliminating deductions is tinkering at the edges of a broken system. It’s also transparently geared towards helping the top end of society, which is backwards, but predictable considering Romney’s background and the factional pressures in the Republican party.

The US is crippled by historical detritus in multiple policy areas. Gary Johnson offers a drastic but necessary alternative to the tinkering and can-kicking of the Democrats and Republicans. But he’ll never get anywhere close to power, thanks to the institutionalised two-party system and the entrenched special interests that control the flow of money into the political apparatus.

Jarrah

28 Sep 12 at 12:25 am
Howard must read the Cat.

JOHN Howard has re-entered the culture wars, describing the Gillard government’s national school history curriculum as “unbalanced, lacking in priorities and quite bizarre”, and accusing it of marginalising the Judeo-Christian ethic and purging British history.

The former prime minister said last night that “our Western heritage appears to be so conspicuously absent from the history curriculum reflects a growing retreat from self-belief in Western civilisation”.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 12:29 am
“describing the Gillard government’s national school history curriculum as “unbalanced, lacking in priorities and quite bizarre”, and accusing it of marginalising the Judeo-Christian ethic and purging British history.”

The problem isn’t the content. It’s the idea of a national curriculum!

Jarrah

28 Sep 12 at 12:33 am
From the new history curriculum:

History enables the development of students’ world views, particularly in relation to actions that require judgement about past societies and their access to and use of the Earth’s resources. Students are provided with opportunities to develop an historical perspective on sustainability by understanding, for example, the emergence of farming and settled communities, the positive and negative impacts of peoples and governments on pre-modern environments, the development of the Industrial Revolution and the growth of population, the overuse of natural resources, the rise of environmental movements as well as the global energy crisis and innovative technological responses to it. Making decisions about sustainability to help shape a better future requires an understanding of how the past relates to the present, and needs to be informed by historical trends and experiences.

But yeah, “the problem isn’t the content”.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 12:39 am
WSJ: The Libya Debacle
The more we learn, the more Benghazi looks like a gross security failure.

Imagine the uproar if, barely a month before Election Day, the Bush Administration had responded to a terrorist strike—on Sept. 11 no less—in this fashion. Obfuscating about what happened. Refusing to acknowledge that clear security warnings were apparently ignored. Then trying to shoot the messengers who bring these inconvenient truths to light in order to talk about anything but a stunning and deadly attack on U.S. sovereign territory.

Four Americans lost their lives in Benghazi in a terrorist attack that evidence suggests should have been anticipated and might have been stopped. Rather than accept responsibility, the Administration has tried to stonewall and blame others. Congress should call hearings to hold someone accountable for this debacle.

JamesK

28 Sep 12 at 12:50 am
Gab, these youngsters generally believe in the indoctrination they are getting at school. It takes a lot for a parent to point out the lies, errors, and misrepresentation that is being peddled.
History teaches us that an amoral government can fashion its citizens thought processes when it has control of the education system.
I give you for example, the USSR, Nazi Germany, and Japan.
And we forget sometimes that there but for the grace of God go ourselves.

Winston Smith

28 Sep 12 at 12:53 am
I haven’t forgotten, Winston which is why it riles me so. What’s worse are the idiots who just cannot see what is happening.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 12:55 am
CL telling someone – anyone – that hey know nothing about science? That’s good for a laugh. And it doesn’t take a genius to know that Republicans have currently stop making sense when it comes to taxes and other economic issues. They have let ideology triumph over arithmetic and common sense.

Steve from Brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 12:56 am
Should the New York times get an award for this mind-numbingly confused and offensively inane op-ed?

There’s soo much competition at the NYT

Fighting Over God’s Image

THE murders of four Americans over an amateurish online video about Muhammad, like the attempted murder of a Danish cartoonist who in 2005 had depicted the prophet with a bomb in his turban, have left many Americans confused, angry and fearful about the rage that some Muslims feel about visual representations of their sacred figures.

The confusion stems, in part, from the ubiquity of sacred images in American culture. God, Jesus, Moses, Buddha and other holy figures are displayed in movies, cartoons and churches and on living room walls.

blah progressive blah blah blah

JamesK

28 Sep 12 at 12:57 am
The NYT is apologising to the terrorists for not depicting Mohamed in movies? LOL.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 12:59 am
The Same-sex marriage bill has been voted down in Tasmania. Maybe there is hope for Tasmania yet…

Cold-Hands

28 Sep 12 at 1:02 am
The New York Times continues to help Obama perpetrate an amateurish lie:

THE murders of four Americans over an amateurish online video about Muhammad, like the attempted murder of a Danish cartoonist who in 2005 had depicted the prophet with a bomb in his turban, have left many Americans confused, angry and fearful about the rage that some Muslims feel about visual representations of their sacred figures.

Even now, the NYT is helping Obama stage-manage the “discovery”, two weeks later, that the stupid anti-muslim video had nothing to do with the Benghazi attack.

The news media rely on trust/credibility to sell newspapers/page views. A vibrant news media is one of the pillars of a healthy democracy. The public can no longer trust the news media.

Tom

28 Sep 12 at 6:02 am
You need more than beauty sleep, Pizza The Hut.

Blogstrop

28 Sep 12 at 6:16 am
Tom, I’ve been saying for a long time that way too many in the media are players. It has become more obvious year by year.

Blogstrop

28 Sep 12 at 6:20 am
The Same-sex marriage bill has been voted down in Tasmania.

No gay marriage, but no forestry industry either. Gunns went into voluntary administration this week.

dd

28 Sep 12 at 6:24 am
A sleuthing Bunyip reveals the thug accused of raping and murdering Gillian Meagher has plenty of form.

Tom

28 Sep 12 at 6:37 am
National Curriculum History, Chapter 35: What The Boomers Did Next.

Blogstrop

28 Sep 12 at 6:47 am
So Jill Meagher would be alive today if it yet another cockhead magistrate had jailed the filth responsible with the posted, entirely deserved, sentence for a previous violent assault?

Utterly disgusting.

C.L.

28 Sep 12 at 7:28 am
Same sex marriage went down, but the momentum that has taken down forestry and fishing is still building.

Got to remove the enabling legislation to have any hope in the long term.

Driftforge

28 Sep 12 at 7:34 am
Gay ‘marriage’ – rejected even in Tasmania and California.

Gee, isn’t it popular?

C.L.

28 Sep 12 at 7:40 am
Gay ‘marriage’ – rejected even in Tasmania and California.

Gee, isn’t it popular?

In the 32 US states where gay marriage has been on the ballot, voters have rejected it.

3 years after being rejected by the people, it’s on the ballot in Maine again.

It’s been passed only in legislatures.

Famously in New York las year.

The GOP senators who passed it are being beaten in primaries

In California, the state supreme court has found that the rejection of SSM by the people was unconstitutional.

JamesK

28 Sep 12 at 7:54 am
No to gay marriage, yes to the death penalty for murdering scum.

blogstrop

28 Sep 12 at 8:18 am
Today’s Google doodle reminds us that Aboriginals are being held back by the so-called concerned, often leftist, rights-based activists and commentariat who have disdained and vilified the attempts in the past to help them break out of a blind alley.

blogstrop

28 Sep 12 at 8:22 am
Terrible news about the Meagher woman.

As noted, the piece of shit responsible for her murder should have been in jail at the time.

The criminal justice ‘system’ in this country is a disgrace.

Thanks, you progressive shitheads.

P.S. I make no apologies for lampooning the Victorian police, they are a national laughing stock.

Rabz

28 Sep 12 at 8:28 am
Holy Moley, the man made the statement and it is scary a naked articulation in words of the way he has acted for 5 years.

Stephen Conroy’s speech at Columbia University, September 24:

TELECOM powers in Australia are exclusively federal. I have unfettered legal power. That means I am in charge of spectrum auctions. If I say everyone who wants to bid in spectrum auctions has to wear red underpants on their heads, well, I’ve got news for you. Next week you will be wearing red underpants on your head.

We know that Conroy will say this was “taken out of context”, but seriously how black and white can you get?

Token

28 Sep 12 at 8:44 am
Well they should make that piss weak lefty magistrate stand in at the morgue when they autopsy jillian, so he can see exactly the results of his leniency.

Helen Armstrong

28 Sep 12 at 8:45 am
Conroy wishes to be a dictator. It’s not about making the world a better place,(by growing the pie) it is only about the power.

Helen Armstrong

28 Sep 12 at 8:48 am
TELECOM powers in Australia are exclusively federal. I have unfettered legal power. That means I am in charge of spectrum auctions. If I say everyone who wants to bid in spectrum auctions has to wear red underpants on their heads, well, I’ve got news for you. Next week you will be wearing red underpants on your head.

Sociopathic Labor scum. If there was anything approximating justice in this country, Conroy would have been charged for nobbling Sky’s Australia Network TV bid.

C.L.

28 Sep 12 at 8:50 am
Obama’s Sharia-friendly America:

Anti-Islam filmmaker arrested in LA.

C.L.

28 Sep 12 at 8:53 am
I’m not too sure whether the politically correct, anti-Western content of the national curriculum will unduly influence the thoughts of students ……. I rely on the sole bit of evidence being my 16 year old son’s oh so PC and lefty history textbook that has been defaced/enhanced (take your pick) with robust non PC and anti-lefty comments (from previous students of course lol).

dragnet

28 Sep 12 at 8:53 am
Interesting to see that when Howard makes some sensible points about how history is being dumbed down the lefty media (yes, The Australian) brings out the “History Wars” crap again.

Howard’s column in the Australian today:

An illustration of the bizarre is to be found in the Year 10 curriculum. In it, students are required to do what is called an in-depth study of one of three aspects of globalisation from 1945 to today: the options are popular culture, environmental movements or mass migration movements.

Now I read that several times and I thought: since 1945, what has been the most significant element of globalisation that has really affected the world and Australia?

Surely it has to be economic globalisation? Surely it’s the fact that the spread through market forces and more open trade, of economic growth to countries such as China, India and other nations in our region, has helped liberate literally hundreds of millions from poverty?

By 2030, the majority of middle-class people in the world will live in the Asia-Pacific region. This is a historic trend and it’s the greatest shift in the locus of economic power since the Industrial Revolution.

Yet as historian Greg Melleuish has pointed out, for some extraordinary reason, those who wrote this curriculum, in their infinite wisdom, believed that AC/DC and Kylie Minogue are more important to an understanding of the globalising world since 1945. And I say that with much respect to a talented entertainer.

Don’t miss how the writers of the curriculum are trying to whitewash the 100 million + deaths due to the left’s hatefilled creed:

In its treatment of political thought and movement in the past 100 years, the starkest evidence that the curriculum lacks prioritisation is that there is no discrete study of the rise and fall of Soviet communism. Surely the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the disintegration of the Soviet Union itself, which finally put paid to any notion that the command-economy model could work, has been the most momentous development to touch the ebb and flow of political ideologies since the end of World War II.

I do hope this is what Howard spends the coming years fighting about as we need some towering intellects with political stature to stop the teaching of a perverse distortion of history to coming generations.

The more I understand about education system, the less I believe parents must build skepticism in the mind of children.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 9:00 am
‘Tis good to be in the Electrical Trades Union, well only if you are the union elite:

WITH five bedrooms, three bathrooms, a butler’s pantry and a ‘’luxurious’’ in-ground pool, it is anything but a house for a battler.

But the $1,125,000 pad in Oyster Bay, Sydney, was bought with union money to house Allen Hicks, the assistant national secretary at the Electrical Trades Union, one of Australia’s biggest blue collar unions.

The use of the union money to buy the house – which includes a French provincial kitchen and a spa bath – is the latest controversy to embroil the union movement after the Health Services Union scandals.

So that’s how members union dues are used.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 9:07 am
“But yeah, “the problem isn’t the content”.”

Exactly. Anyone can find stuff they disagree with in the syllabus, like that rather innocuous passage you quote, and people will disagree about what’s objectionable. Therefore the problem isn’t the content, it’s the idea we should have a national, one-size-fits-all curriculum.

Let schools teach what they like. Fund students with vouchers. Let a thousand flowers bloom, and get parents to watch out for weeds.

Jarrah

28 Sep 12 at 9:07 am
Token, you’re very right. A key fact that must be included in all curriculums is the killing of 100,000,000 people by leftists and atheists in the twentieth century – the worst murderers in history. Also important: the Western bourgois left’s support for this holocaust.

C.L.

28 Sep 12 at 9:14 am
So Jill Meagher would be alive today if it yet another cockhead magistrate had jailed the filth responsible with the posted, entirely deserved, sentence for a previous violent assault?

A Hulls appointment.

There have been various changes in the name and partnership structure over the years until the last Senior Partner, Ron Saines, left in 2002 to take up an appointment as a Magistrate.

Oh, big surprise:

Saines & Partners had long had a strong association and affiliation with the Labour movement and the Ballarat Regional Trades & Labour Council, with one of our offices being located in the Trades Hall building. We have always been proud to support union members and the Labour movement through Trades Hall functions, events and fund raisers in conjunction with our long tradition of assisting injured workers with their compensation claims.

Hulls was the Minister for Patronage:

http://www.vexnews.com/2009/11/battle-of-the-biases-hulls-v-debus-who-is-the-lefts-fave/

http://www.vexnews.com/2012/07/hate-crime-lefty-hulls-appointed-magistrate-cheers-on-anti-israel-bigots/

Ivan Denisovich

28 Sep 12 at 9:21 am
Malcolm Turnbull told a great big fat lie:

LIBERAL frontbencher Malcolm Turnbull was briefed by ASIO on the national security risks posed by the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei, despite claiming he was “not privy” to the government’s security intelligence advice about the controversial company.
…
He said the review [of Huawei] would be conducted in light of all the available security intelligence advice, but he was unaware of the nature of that advice.

“We have not been privy to the same intelligence advice that the government has had,” Mr Turnbull said. “We will review that decision in the light of all the advice in the event of us coming into government.

“That’s as far as I can go.”

However, The Australian can reveal that Mr Turnbull was briefed by ASIO in Canberra on May 9 about the security risks posed by having the Chinese company involved in the NBN. Deputy Opposition Leader and foreign affairs spokeswoman Julie Bishop also attended the ASIO briefing.

This means Mr Turnbull made his pledge to review the ban on Huawei knowing this would place the Coalition at odds with the views of Australia’s domestic spy agency.

It really is time he joined the Labor Party. Much better fit for him.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 9:21 am
Let schools teach what they like. Fund students with vouchers. Let a thousand flowers bloom, and get parents to watch out for weeds.

I see you’re only sensible up to a point, Jarrah.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 9:23 am
“Gay activists have vowed political vengeance against Tasmanian upper house MPs who last night voted down a bill to allow for same-sex marriages.”

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 9:25 am
“I see you’re only sensible up to a point, Jarrah.”

What’s wrong with that proposal, Steve?

Jarrah

28 Sep 12 at 9:28 am
Um, most parents are not up to doing detailed assessments of what schools are teaching. Many parents have no choice of school to send their children to.

It’s just silly, really.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 9:41 am
Token, CL, Sorry plagiarised a little from both of you to tweet this.

CONROY.First Sky’s Australia Network TV bid. Now, Spectrum auctions[inserted link] “red underpants on your head.” #auspol #ozcot

I detest the milk blubbering lickspittle with a vengeance.

Rudiau

28 Sep 12 at 9:49 am
lickspittle:Ever faithful but lonely lickspittle looking for new federal asshole to serve.

Rudiau

28 Sep 12 at 9:59 am
sfb: Um, most parents are not up to doing detailed assessments of what [markets should stock]. Many parents have no choice of [markets] to [feed] their children [from]. It’s just silly, really.

Hmmm.

dover_beach

28 Sep 12 at 10:06 am
Can you be more explicit, d-b? Are you saying that parents understanding schooling methods and systems is not much harder than working out you need to eat cereals, meat, fruit and veggies and oil?

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 10:11 am
“Um, most parents are not up to doing detailed assessments of what schools are teaching.”

The assessments don’t have to be detailed.

“Many parents have no choice of school to send their children to.”

I disagree. Most Australians live in urban areas. Besides, people move house to get closer to desired schools all the time.

Jarrah

28 Sep 12 at 10:12 am
Are you saying that parents understanding schooling methods and systems

Parents do not need to understand schooling methods and systems. They simply need a basic idea of what is being taught and confidence that examinations actually examine proficiency in subject areas as well as in literacy and numeracy so that they are not being misinformed by the reports they receive.

dover_beach

28 Sep 12 at 10:20 am
Jarrah @ 1012.

Agreed. A friend of mine, a young widow, made great sacrifices to buy a house in the very near vicinity of an Adelaide suburbs High School. Her elder son shows a lot of potential in the Maths and Sciences and she was ever-so determined to be in a residence within the school’s enrolling criteria.

Mike of Marion

28 Sep 12 at 10:22 am
Of course, Jarrah, what you mean is: poor people with no ability to move to get a reasonable school, and every country town with one primary and one high school, will just have to live with whatever current curriculum and teaching ideas their (potentially nutjob) local principal and teachers want to follow.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 10:23 am
Steve

You are an idiot and a liar shilling for less equitable and less competitive funding of schools.

Besides where it is unfeasible to set up a school (and you can bus the kids in), the current system overspends in poor areas to boot. What did Uncle JC tell us? Aboriginals cost the Government twice as much as everyone else.

Not that the money actually goes to the students.

.

28 Sep 12 at 10:26 am
will just have to live with whatever current curriculum and teaching ideas their (potentially nutjob) local principal and teachers want to follow

Brilliant. Better than the hatchet job being done by socialist nutjobs Gillard and Garrett.

Curriculum should be local and lack detail.

When it is centralised and detailed, it presumes a conceit of knowledge and is indoctrination.

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28 Sep 12 at 10:28 am
“Of course, Jarrah, what you mean is: poor people with no ability to move to get a reasonable school”

Poor people don’t move? Most of my moves were during the period of my life when I worked for minimum wage or less.

I’m open to the idea of means-tested vouchers, so households under certain income levels get more, above certain levels get less; also different amounts for disabled kids and those living in remote areas. But they are all just variations on the central theme.

“will just have to live with whatever current curriculum and teaching ideas their (potentially nutjob) local principal and teachers want to follow.”

You’re assuming a high probability of nutjobs. Leaving that aside, localised problems are a real risk of decentralisation. I think it’s worth it, compared to the risk of nationalised problems inherent in a one-size-fits-all approach.

Jarrah

28 Sep 12 at 10:32 am
Turnbull caught lying, hey?

What an incompetent goose.

C.L.

28 Sep 12 at 10:33 am
poor people with no ability to move to get a reasonable school

This is now the case given current policy re public schools. In a deregulated system, they could live where they are and catch a bus or train, or lift with mum or dad on their way to work, to get to the closest reasonable school.

every country town with one primary and one high school, will just have to live with whatever current curriculum and teaching ideas their (potentially nutjob) local principal and teachers want to follow.

This is now potentially the case given current policy, only we need substitute the relevant state and federal education minister for this local principal, and every school is hostage to its possibility.

sfb, why do you hate the exercise of freedom and responsibility?

dover_beach

28 Sep 12 at 10:37 am
Better the possibility of a few local nutjobs than the ACTUAL nutjobs who are determined to screw the system nationwide.

Poor Old Rafe

28 Sep 12 at 10:40 am
“I see you’re only sensible up to a point, Jarrah.”

True. His belief in global warming takes the shine off.

Infidel Tiger

28 Sep 12 at 10:43 am
Obama Feds arrest film-maker for ~~parole violation~~ mocking Mohammed.

Lefties respond:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g04aCp3ej-I

C.L.

28 Sep 12 at 10:51 am
A-G Eric Holder is held in Contempt of Congress, but of course, no Fed law officer moves to question or charge that contemptible imbecile, otherwise known as their boss, and yet the most trivial parole violation here is meet with a knock on the door after midnight, reminiscent of the Stasi, etc. and the individual is taken into custody for questioning, and this is followed, in time, by an arrest. And the whole thing was concocted by this Administration to hide their abject failure to protect their Ambassador on the anniversary of 9/11. The juxtaposition is absolutely fantastic. The story line unbelievable. And yet….

dover_beach

28 Sep 12 at 11:00 am
I thought one of the reasons for attempting a national curriculum was to increase the ease of movement of labour, which I thought free market types where keen to encourage.

But no, you would rather risk increasing the disparity in the quality and content of local schools, giving families even more reason to be leery of moving for work.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 11:00 am
Want to know more about Obama’s Sharia arrest of a film-maker?

Well, too bad for you.

The exact nature of the court appearance is unclear, because the federal court documents have been sealed.

C.L.

28 Sep 12 at 11:03 am
Compassionate lefties.

The first part of the video is a tedious debate with an Obama supporter over tax policy. Facts just bounce off the man’s forehead. But stick around to hear this proud Democrat and supporter of the president tell the world that our murdered (and possibly raped, according to some early reports) “probably had it coming.”

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/09/27/video-obama-supporter-murdered-us-ambassador-probably-had-it-coming/

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 11:07 am
But no, you would rather risk increasing the disparity in the quality and content of local schools, giving families even more reason to be leery of moving for work.

Possibly the stupidest comment of the year so far.

Workers won’t move interstate because of variations in the history curriculum. LOL.

C.L.

28 Sep 12 at 11:07 am
I thought one of the reasons for attempting a national curriculum was to increase the ease of movement of labour, which I thought free market types where keen to encourage.

Yeah, right, free market types like more regulation. Are you just trying to be annoying?

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 11:08 am
I thought one of the reasons for attempting a national curriculum was to increase the ease of movement of labour, which I thought free market types where keen to encourage.

You have to be a statist and/or a moronic lefty to believe that shite.

If you had changed schools when you were a child, either within and them across state borders, you’d be able to realise this is just crap.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 11:11 am
…either within ~~and them~~ or across state borders…

Token

28 Sep 12 at 11:12 am
I thought one of the reasons for attempting a national curriculum was to increase the ease of movement of labour, which I thought free market types where keen to encourage.

No.

University teaches teachers to develop content around stages anyway, a national curricula is pointless.

But no, you would rather risk increasing the disparity in the quality and content of local schools, giving families even more reason to be leery of moving for work.

No dickhead, it is because of property taxes and other transactional taxes.

.

28 Sep 12 at 11:14 am
Steve, how long have you been here at the cat? How much have you learned about the free market while you’ve been here. Fuck all I would say. Why is that? Is it just intellectual laziness?

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 11:16 am
Look, you can live in a your fantasy world of “the unfettered free market works for everything, from medical care to education to people being relied upon to save money to have a good retirement”.

The world in fact doesn’t work that way, but like the communists of old, I’m sure you’re convinced that the reason is just that it hasn’t been implemented properly; not that the idealogy is flawed and won’t work.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 11:20 am
Yes the world does in fact work that way.

Keating’s superannuation being blown up by Gillard, Swan and Shorten is testament to this.

You actually believe that a means tested voucher system, or simply removing usurious and inefficient stamp duties and replacing them with something more effiicient is an example of “unfettered free markets”.

You degenerate cockhead.

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28 Sep 12 at 11:23 am
Looks like the answer is intellectual laziness Dangph.

To cover his ignorance SoB tries to set up another version of the Small Government = No Goverment Strawman.

I repeat SoB. Did you change schools when you were a child?

If so, did the teachers, working from the same text, teach and emphasise parts of the material in exactly the same way?

Was the homework and quizes uniform across schools and teachers?

Moron.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 11:24 am
Basically you don’t understand your opponents’ point of view. You don’t know what you are arguing against, which makes the discussion pointless. The only thing you do is annoy people.

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 11:26 am
But no, you would rather risk increasing the disparity in the quality and content of local schools, giving families even more reason to be leery of moving for work.

Here’s an example of the “quality” “content” contained within the very serious, non-”nutty”, NSW centralised curriculum :

“Conduct class interviews with a variety of people from the community whose beliefs influence their work or lifestyle, eg charity workers, WIRES representatives, vegans, social activists. ”

“Pose a moral dilemma about obtaining goods that you might need, such as food or clothing, when you don’t have any money. What options would be available and which options would be fair or unfair? Ask students to form opinions about options for people.”

“Discuss the use of exposition in letters. Model the use of language with high modality, eg ‘The logging of the … Rainforest will …’ Have students write letters to environmental organisations, eg Greenpeace, to express their concerns regarding particular issues raised on their mind maps.”

“Invite a guest speaker from Greenpeace or another environmental group to explain possible consequences of human involvement with the Antarctic. View the Greenpeace website at http://www.greenpeace.org/”

So immediately the premise of your stupid argument is demonstratably false – centralisation doesn’t prevent “nuttiness”, it just ensures that there’s no escape.

Secondly there is already a disparity between schools Steve you ancient old dinosaur. Around here there’s five schools, three public and two private and people absolutely fall over to themselves to keep their kids out of one of the public schools due to it’s “nutty” and shithouse “methods” and “systems”. See it has a reputation that every parent with school aged kids knows about, and the other day the school was in the local paper lamenting the fact that hardly anybody was sending their kids to it despite it being in a large suburb.

See how we have reality on our side, and you mere supposition?

twostix

28 Sep 12 at 11:28 am
sfb’s having another breakdown. He’s attacking a straw-man and comparing a publicly-funded but privately-provided system to communism.

dover_beach

28 Sep 12 at 11:30 am
Is it just intellectual laziness

No, just stupidity.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

28 Sep 12 at 11:31 am
The world in fact doesn’t work that way, but like the communists of old, I’m sure you’re convinced that the reason is just that it hasn’t been implemented properly; not that the idealogy is flawed and won’t work.

The guy who’s standing up for a nationalised single school curriculmn where every single child in the entire country will be taught exactly what the central government says they will be taught calling others commies.

L.O.L

Clearly your 1948 era education was deficient.

twostix

28 Sep 12 at 11:37 am
The logging of the MY LITTLE PONY UNICORN Rainforest will …MAKE ME HAPPY

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28 Sep 12 at 11:38 am
No I didn’t change schools, Token.

I’m well aware that there is currently variation between schools.

The Labor government has taken steps to increase the ease with which comparisons between schools can be made, which I don’t really have a problem with.

The problem I do have is the idea that you ramp up the competition between schools even further by easing up on uniform curriculum – even within the State or local level, if I understand Jarrah right – and letting a voucher system create planning chaos for schools.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 11:42 am
More from the non-”nutty” centralised NSW Curriculm:

Read texts that contain a peace or environmental message, eg Sadako and a Thousand Paper Cranes, The Lorax.
Jointly listen to songs or read poems that have similar messages. Discuss the messages in the texts, songs or poems and identify the beliefs that the authors may have.

Inform students of the various global organisations to which Australians belong, including: United Nations, AusAID, Greenpeace, Amnesty International, Red Cross, World Wide Fund for Nature, International Olympic Federation.

Students could investigate how they can positively influence the world’s environment by starting at home, eg reduce global warming by reducing energy consumption. Discuss the idea of ‘Think globally, act locally’.

It’s a good thing that local communities don’t have control over their school curriculum, who knows what nutty ideological shit they might end up teaching their kids!

twostix

28 Sep 12 at 11:43 am
Seriously. Is there anything in the world that Steve doesn’t think being an elected MP (particularly from the ALP or Greens) means you’re an expert in?

Hey. Why don’t we get these guys to rewrite our ethics textbooks, financial administration textbooks, dating advice websites and medical texbooks?

I know as you do, gentle reader. Steve from B doesn’t:

Because we don’t want a bunch of low IQ, knuckle dragging, struggling-to-breath-obese, ethical nightmares no minister of religion or ethics or philosophy expert wouldn’t treat like a wretched human failing, who couldn’t administer a petty cash tin a and who use union credit cards to fuck hookers because they couldn’t get a root any other way because they are in need of plastic surgery, telling us what to do.

But they should meddle with pedagogy sez macrame expert and general pervert Steve from Pinkenba.

It’s ok when we are (in our best Altonese/SBS’s “Housos” inflection) ‘doin’ ut faw da kidz footchers’…’moooo!’

(H/T Leigh Sales)

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28 Sep 12 at 11:48 am
In a bombshell development, the federal government has settled its case with James Ashby, the aide to the stood-aside Speaker of the Parliament Peter Slipper, for $50,000 and a commitment to introduce training for all MPs and senators regarding sexual harassment.

The settlement between the commonwealth and Mr Ashby was reached on Thursday and detailed in a three-page letter of offer from the Australian Government Solicitor.

Mr Ashby’s lawyers, Harmers Workplace Lawyers, accepted the deal on his behalf. Mr Ashby had sued the commonwealth, alleging it had failed to provide a safe workplace.

Separately, Mr Ashby has sued Mr Slipper with allegations of sexual harassment, supported by records of lurid text messages sent by the Speaker to Mr Ashby.

Mr Ashby’s case against Mr Slipper continues and is listed for an interlocutory hearing at 10.15am on Tuesday.

Well, they fought long and hard to get Slipper and have proved that he does belong in the Labor fold.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 11:49 am
publicly-funded but privately-provided system to communism.

No I am not. I am saying libertarian, free market ideology that always sees services provided privately and with minimal regulation as better than government run services is an evidence ignoring ideology that discounts “the common good” to an objectionable level, and is the mirror image of communist ideology that government provided services and a command economy is always better.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 11:49 am
When googling the name of the perp who is now charged with killing that missing ABC reporter, I came across an item from February *this year* which said someone of the same name had just been charged with king hitting someone while drunk *and out on parole*. That news was also from Victoria.

Now if it’s the same piece of shit, that begs the question of why/how he was out on parole *twice* now and both times committed an act of violence.

Frankly this is why I personally couldn’t give a toss about Barry O’Farrel’s tougher law and order stance. Throw these animals in jail, torture them, whatever and never let them out.

jtfsoon

28 Sep 12 at 11:54 am
I am saying libertarian, free market ideology that always sees services provided privately and with minimal regulation as better than government run services

Because it is true, dickhead.

Please tell us of any Government service that is better run than the private sector.

Let me guess: the military, policing and courts of law.

A command economy is nearly always inferior, this is a fact. You cannot make ANY comparison whatsoever.

.

28 Sep 12 at 11:56 am
your fantasy world of “the unfettered free market works for everything”

Yes the world does in fact work that way.

Yep works really well for children stitching footballs in India.

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 11:57 am
Hang him, Jason.

I see cocks like him go to the gym all the time, military style haircut, tight shirts, beach muscles, pump sets…what a cock.

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28 Sep 12 at 12:00 pm
Yep works really well for children stitching footballs in India.

Who now have had their only source of income taken away by the PC driven AFL. Must make you proud..

jtfsoon: the Professor was out of bed early on this one..

Lazlo

28 Sep 12 at 12:02 pm
Yep works really well for children stitching footballs in India.

Yes, it does work really well in fact. Fuck it gets annoying having to explain everything from first principles every fucking time.

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 12:04 pm
Yep works really well for children stitching footballs in India.

Your point being? If India has child slavery, that’s on them. If children are allowed to earn an income, their family can get out of poverty.

Don’t lecture me on shit you know nothing about, imbecile.

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28 Sep 12 at 12:05 pm
dot
If you know the link you’re referring to (I don’t want to be too explicit because I don’t want to get Sinc in trouble from the sub judice rule) it does seem too much of a coincidence.

In the February 2012 article he was described as 40 years old, history of sexual violence, in a Victorian town. This current perp is 41 years old, also Victorian. Same first name and surname.

He was out on parole then. If he committed a serious king hit in February while out on parole, given his past background, what the hell was he still doing walking on the streets in September 2012??

This latest crime was avoidable.

jtfsoon

28 Sep 12 at 12:05 pm
Only numbskulls think the US medical system as a whole works better than the Australian one, dot.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 12:05 pm
I agree Jason – it is utterly despicable. If he is guilty of this there is no economic, moral or ethical reason why he shouldn’t be executed. It is only that the death penalty isn’t on the books. This guy has basically gone through life raping and beating people up, and now has killed someone in the commission of a sexual assault. The only thing going for him is that he sang like a canary.

Only numbskulls think the US medical system as a whole works better than the Australian one, dot.

No. I’m sick of your bullshit and lies, Steve.

It is more expensive because of regulation ala demarcation rules and the American Medical Association oligopoly (backed by Government).

The standard of care is better and the care available to the lower classes and the indigent is much lied about by the left.

Even someone on welfare could afford basic private health cover. Medicare is funded by a regressive payroll tax and so deters employment of those who need jobs the most.

Only lying cockheads perpetuate the asinine, childish nonsense you prattle on with Steve.

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28 Sep 12 at 12:12 pm
“I am saying libertarian, free market ideology that always sees services provided privately and with minimal regulation as better than government run services is an evidence ignoring ideology that discounts “the common good” to an objectionable level”

You have to consider the incentives and market mechanisms that operate on private enterprise. Investing their own money, answerable to their customers, in competition with others, at risk of losses or insolvency – these are reasons why a free market will tend to provide most goods and services better than government, which does not have these pressures to provide what the public wants (ie the “common good”).

Not all goods and services are created equal, to be sure, but education is not substantially different from groceries when viewed in the context of market incentives, and the prerequisites for their operation.

Jarrah

28 Sep 12 at 12:14 pm
Jarrah,

Steve is an extremist and an anti intellectual hun. He finds your sensible and timid response, totally incorrect.

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28 Sep 12 at 12:17 pm
The US medical system was way ahead of ours technically, and most workers were covered by their employers as part of their conditions. Instead of doing some sort of patch-up safety net thing for the ones who were outside it (a minority) they stuffed the whole thing for the bankrupt euro-socialist model. Great.

blogstrop

28 Sep 12 at 12:24 pm
Getting my lunch can be as easy as picking up a of eggs chooks in my backyard have laid.

Getting enough children educated to a level to keep a technological society running is something that takes about 17 or so years of learning and long term planning.

It’s very different.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 12:24 pm
Yep works really well for children stitching footballs in India.

Who now have had their only source of income taken away by the PC driven AFL. Must make you proud..

Typical Lefty, better the child has no job and is dependent on foreign aid then doing productive work.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 12:24 pm
Steve is an extremist and an anti intellectual hun. He finds your sensible and timid response, totally incorrect.

And the Steves won’t bother to understand what Jarrah wrote, and they will just come out with the exact same horseshit they always do on the next occasion.

I’m not saying they have to agree with anyone, but it shits me that they never bother to learn their opponents’ point of view.

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 12:25 pm
Dogshit has about the same intellectual capacity of that primitive piece of shit who raped and murdered the girl in Victoria.

Tom

28 Sep 12 at 12:27 pm
“It’s very different.”

In substance, but not in how incentives impinge on the providers, and therefore not in how the market can be superior to government.

Jarrah

28 Sep 12 at 12:30 pm
I’m well aware that there is currently variation between schools.

The Labor government has taken steps to increase the ease with which comparisons between schools can be made, which I don’t really have a problem with.

So why does that comparison need to be made?

What value is there treating every child the same way?

One of my best friends has taught the same English material to children in Walgett, Broken Hill, Woolgoolga and one other large regional area in NSW. Same education system, same classic English texts, different children.

No amount of government bureaucratic top down standardisation are going to make the children of aboriginals in Walgett pay attention to the material in the same way as the Fijian Sihk children do in Woolgoolga, let alone 6th generation migrants with a heavy Dutch/German Lutheran background in an irrigation district.

As I said above – You have to be a statist and/or a moronic lefty to believe that standardisation helps the children in any way.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 12:31 pm
Steves, serious suggestion, go watch Milton Friedman’s Free to Choose on YouTube. Or read Henry Hazlitt’s Economics in One Lesson. It’s a very slim book, and no doubt you could buy an electronic version.

You don’t have to agree with what you watch or read, but do go and learn some of the basic arguments against your positions.

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 12:31 pm
Typical Lefty, better the child has no job and is dependent on foreign aid then doing productive work.

Except that there is an error in this lefty narrative. Foreign aid never reaches or benefits these children.

There are only two consequences of the AFL action: some armchair lefty consciences get salved; some of the poorest of the poor get poorer.

Must make ‘em proud.

Lazlo

28 Sep 12 at 12:31 pm
Yes, it does work really well in fact.

bullshit – it migt work in the long term, but it sure as fuck doesn’t work for those kids right now.

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 12:33 pm
Dogshit has about the same intellectual capacity of that primitive piece of shit who raped and murdered the girl in Victoria.

Tom, such stupid and idiotic attempts at insult merely reflect on you; you’re also paranoid and delusional about dissent and think it must be part of a grand paid socialist scheme to annoy you personally and/or is a part of an attempt to destroy capitalism.

You should leave blogging alone or you’re going to end up being sectioned by someone in the family.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 12:34 pm
Getting enough children educated to a level to keep a technological society running is something that takes about 17 or so years of learning and long term planning.

It could easily be reduced to 10 if the likes of you would get your indoctrinating, totalitarian fingers out of the school curriculum.

twostix

28 Sep 12 at 12:36 pm
It could easily be reduced to 10 if the likes of you would get your indoctrinating, totalitarian fingers out of the school curriculum.

Bloody hell. The expert has spoken.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 12:37 pm
bullshit – it migt work in the long term, but it sure as fuck doesn’t work for those kids right now.

Having some money in their pocket rather than no money in their pocket doesn’t work for them.

The logic of a leftist.

twostix

28 Sep 12 at 12:38 pm
Shock Photos of Netanyahu at U.N. from AP, Reuters

No bias here. Move along.

via ACE

Rudiau

28 Sep 12 at 12:40 pm
Getting enough children educated to a level to keep a technological society running is something that takes about 17 or so years of learning and long term planning.

No, it doesn’t.

People who don’t do uni or a trade stay in school to hush up unemployment figures.

School wastes a lot of time and children can work in technical or services/sales job before they are 15. FFS most hackers learn their trade before they are in senior high school. It is inefficient and the bright kids are held back by the dummies.

Kiss my arse it requires a lot of planning. You could simply aim for the IB before you finished Year 10 and it would require no more planning than rescheduling.

bullshit – it migt work in the long term, but it sure as fuck doesn’t work for those kids right now.

Yes it does. How asinine “going to work today might make be better off in the future, but not today”.

Please tell us the number of factories in India where children stitch balls together. GO!!!

You really, truly, know nothing about child labour, don’t lecture your betters who know better than you about something you are totally out of depth about.

.

28 Sep 12 at 12:41 pm
bullshit – it migt work in the long term

There is no longterm when you starve to death as a child. Moron.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 12:41 pm
Stevieliar QC, you certainly make this blog bloated with nonsense. Go back to the village, they miss you.

Tiny Dancer

28 Sep 12 at 12:43 pm
It could easily be reduced to 10 if the likes of you would get your indoctrinating, totalitarian fingers out of the school curriculum.

Bloody hell. The expert has spoken.

Irony really knows no bounds. You really are an ignorant, arrogant cnut, Steve.

.

28 Sep 12 at 12:43 pm
Bloody hell. The expert has spoken.

Considering that I’ve read right through the NSW curriculm, left school less than a decade ago and have two boys starting school – compared to you who went to school over half a century ago and now sit in your tin shed posting to the Cat, why yes, I am an expert compared to you.

But sure, it’s very important that children spend one hundred hours a year learning about “sustainability” but leave school barely literate.

twostix

28 Sep 12 at 12:44 pm
Getting enough children educated to a level to keep a technological society running is something that takes about 17 or so years of learning and long term planning.

Fuck that. Most kids should leave school at year 10 and learn trades. Only about 2% of the population need tertiary education at university. I mean look at you! Your more useless than a pocket on a singlet. Your home economics training and women’s studies major did sweet fuck all for you and society.

Infidel Tiger

28 Sep 12 at 12:46 pm
The zombies are mystified why massive subsidies and wall-to-wall leftist content aren’t turning on theatre audiences:

In a recent spray, (Lyndon) Terracini (Opera Australia AD) rather cheekily cautioned against high public subsidies for performing arts companies. “A very high percentage of government funding in an overall budget does not necessarily produce a better or more creative outcome,” he told The Australian. Terracini points out the company is less reliant on government grants due to increased box office and sponsorship revenue.

However, given the huge increases in competition for the attention and wallet of the average punter, it could also be argued that performing arts companies are holding their own. Total cinema attendances in Australia, for instance, are down about 8% between 2001 and 2011, while circulations for newspapers and magazines have collapsed.

Here’s a suggestion: why not put on stuff people want to see? You know, popular stuff.

Tom

28 Sep 12 at 12:46 pm
Sachiko Eto dead: Japan cult leader executed for 6 murders

TOKYO — Japan executed two people Thursday, including a 65-year old female cult leader convicted of six murders that took place during supposed exorcisms.

The Justice Ministry said 65-year-old Sachiko Eto and 39-year-old Yukinori Matsuda were executed by hanging. Matsuda was convicted of killing two people during a robbery in 2003…..

Eto’s daughter and another cult member were sentenced to life in prison for the 1995 murders.

Japan is one of the few industrialized countries that have capital punishment. The lack of transparency in the system has been criticized by human rights groups, but capital punishment is generally supported by the public, according to opinion polls.

Japan had no executions in 2011 but has conducted seven this year. The Justice Ministry says 131 convicts are on Japan’s death row.

JamesK

28 Sep 12 at 12:52 pm
Two/three problems IT,

1. Increased occupational licensing. You need to do a “chem cert” and an “OHS whitecard” to be an unskilled gardener/maintenance worker.

2. The protectionism in the trades/certification.

3. TAFE NSW etc is considering (or at least it was) to break down trades into “subtrades” rather than a Cert III carpenter/cert IV building mamager, they’d break it down into Cert IIs in “doormaking” “houseframing” etc.

TAFE is a leech and more competition ought to open up.

I agree. Half of the kids I’ve taught at uni don’t really cut the grade, nor do they want to be there.

.

28 Sep 12 at 12:53 pm
Your home economics training and women’s studies major did sweet fuck all for you and society.

Now, now, he can cook and sew. Those are serious skills that an alpha female looks for in a house husband so go easy.

twostix

28 Sep 12 at 12:54 pm
Japan is one of the few industrialized countries that have capital punishment. The lack of transparency in the system has been criticized by human rights groups

Bullshit. They murdered six and two people each, and the punishment was appropriate.

If there is a lack of transparency anywhere to be outraged about, just remember “Heiner Affair”.

.

28 Sep 12 at 12:56 pm
No I am not.

Yes, you were, sfb. You decided to respond with a straw-man, and compared it to communism. Now, keep talking.

dover_beach

28 Sep 12 at 12:58 pm
This latest crime was avoidable.

Yes, and not only because of the judiciary failure. It is a shame that Catherine Deveny did not report to police her alleged July encounter with this criminal at the time. Had she done so perhaps Jill Meagher would still be alive today.

Septimus

28 Sep 12 at 1:00 pm
Public education in Victoria, and I assume the rest of the country, is nothing but tireless indoctrination in the whole tired grab-bag of leftie, anti-capitalist, anti-endeavour, anti-individual-volition, anti-American, humans-are-raping-the-planet, the-poor-are-victims, advertising-forces-people-to-buy-stuff-they-don’t-need, colonism-was-genocide, jihadis-are-freedom-fighters, the-yanks-deserved-9/11 garbage.

Sadly I have to pay $50K a year to keep my kids a thousand miles from it.

Who was it the other day, Gab I think, who posted the aims of the Singapore curriculum? It was a case of read it, and weep.

James in Melbourne

28 Sep 12 at 1:02 pm
Public education in Victoria, and I assume the rest of the country, is nothing but tireless indoctrination in the whole tired grab-bag of leftie, anti-capitalist, anti-endeavour, anti-individual-volition, anti-American, humans-are-raping-the-planet, the-poor-are-victims, advertising-forces-people-to-buy-stuff-they-don’t-need, colonism-was-genocide, jihadis-are-freedom-fighters, the-yanks-deserved-9/11 garbage.

Now that’s a liberty quote.

twostix

28 Sep 12 at 1:07 pm
Dot, none of those problems will exist after the coming Friday night spectaculars in every town square of this wide brown land.

Infidel Tiger

28 Sep 12 at 1:07 pm
Media Watch has suffered an adverse finding from the media regulator. Maybe they won’t be so sanctimonious now? Or pigs might fly.

Cold-Hands

28 Sep 12 at 1:10 pm
Getting my lunch can be as easy as picking up a of eggs chooks in my backyard have laid.

Getting enough children educated to a level to keep a technological society running is something that takes about 17 or so years of learning and long term planning.

What a stupid and inept comparison. The first should read “Getting lunch for a diverse and disperse population of 20M in a timely and effective manner is not easy”given what you say in the second, and yet day after day we manage it quite efficiently.

dover_beach

28 Sep 12 at 1:12 pm
Only about 2% of the population need tertiary education at university

I have often suspected that the focus on the necessity of university study was to artificially lower the unemployment rate.

But perhaps I am being cynical.

Helen Armstrong

28 Sep 12 at 1:16 pm
No,

You are cynical and correct.

.

28 Sep 12 at 1:18 pm
The Commonwealth has settled with Ashby. Slipper is on his own and Roxon is left looking stupid.

Cold-Hands

28 Sep 12 at 1:23 pm
nor do they want to be there.

Gee, maybe it had something to do with their know-all lecturer.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 1:26 pm
Sadly I have to pay $50K a year to keep my kids a thousand miles from it.

More money than sense.

What a wacko bunch of ideological warriors these threads consist of.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 1:33 pm
Well that’s it, I am going to make like steve and be a W.I.F.E. – Washing, Ironing, Fluffing the cushions Etc.

Except I don’t iron.

Helen Armstrong

28 Sep 12 at 1:34 pm
Only numbskulls think the US medical system as a whole works better than the Australian one, dot.

Had to pick this one out.

It is utter, utter tripe.

The USA continually leads the world in medical research, new procedures and treatments not available anywhere else.

How many times have we heard the stories of fundraising to send a sick kid to the USA for lifesaving treatment? Ever stop to wonder why that is?

That’s because the medical system is free to innovate and charge whatever it likes for those innovations.

How many sick kids get sent to the UK for lifesaving treatment under the NHS? None, that’s how many. We should send kids to be looked after by the NHS if they are misbehaving in class. They’d sure fall into line after they got back.

The cherry-picking ‘US system doesn’t work well’ is always on some ‘social justice’ measure. It’s never on quality of healthcare outcomes themselves. It’s never about what the patients think.

Yes, there are problems with the US system in terms of affordability, and how that hampers new business creation in general due to the penalties of having a small company in terms of employee healthcare. But this can be laid squarely at the doors of the monopoly creation that has been government backed (there can be no real monopolies without state sanction).

Like everything about the USA – moaners like to crow how theirs is better while they freely accept the positive externalities created by the US system. I bet the tossers just love to post how the US system is terrible while on their iPhones.

brc

28 Sep 12 at 1:38 pm
“Gee, maybe it had something to do with their know-all lecturer.”

I wonder how Dot handles dissent in the classroom?

Jarrah

28 Sep 12 at 1:38 pm
So Ashby won and the government folded.

Gillard, Roxon, Albanese, Emerson, Swan and Steve from Brisbane beclowned.

Mal Brough vindicated.

C.L.

28 Sep 12 at 1:39 pm
They kept telling us Agent Orange was safe the lying fuckers.

Dioxin Causes Disease and Reproductive Problems Across Generations, Study Finds

Dead Soul

28 Sep 12 at 1:42 pm
I cannot believe the Ashby settlement is going to involve another ‘elf and safety training session for MPs not to try and rodger their staff members.

No doubt the lectures will be delivered by some 21 year old clipboard-wielding graduate of ‘community counseling in sexual awareness’ TAFE course, flown around the country at great expense.

What a monumental waste of time.

$50k is pretty crappy sum for sacrificing your dignity and future career prospects. Dumb move, Ashby.

brc

28 Sep 12 at 1:42 pm
It is a shame that Catherine Deveny did not report to police her alleged July encounter with this criminal at the time.

If she didn’t tweet about, it didn’t happen.

Steve of Ferny Hills

28 Sep 12 at 1:43 pm
More money than sense.

What a wacko bunch of ideological warriors these threads consist of.

Steve, I happen not to want for my children 24/7, 13-year immersion in the whole tired grab-bag of leftie, anti-capitalist, anti-endeavour, anti-individual-volition, anti-American, humans-are-raping-the-planet, the-poor-are-victims, advertising-forces-people-to-buy-stuff-they-don’t-need, colonism-was-genocide, jihadis-are-freedom-fighters, the-yanks-deserved-9/11 garbage.

I want them brought up to read and write, think critically and independently, to appreciate the cultural heritage of the human race, and to retain a sense of curiosity and wonder at the world, but to understand that no-one owes them anything and that rewards and achievements are hard-earned.

That is not available from 8:30am-4 pm on weekdays in term time unless I pay for it, which I am happy to do. More money than sense? No – just not prepared to have my kids inculcated as a Penny Wong or a Lee Rhiannon.

James in Melbourne

28 Sep 12 at 1:47 pm
You’re free to spend your money as you see fit, James.

Although how you found a school full of sufficient ideological purity in curriculum and staff to satisfy you remains a mystery.

And let me get this right – do you send your kids to boarding school (you made reference to 1,000 miles away) just to avoid the Victorian curriculum? I’m not entirely sure they will thank you for that in future.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 2:01 pm
“Gee, maybe it had something to do with their know-all lecturer.”

I wonder how Dot handles dissent in the classroom?

1. I was well loved. “Thanks for teaching us” and commendations from heads of schools etc.

2. Simple. I let people think what they wanted as long as they backed it up with evidence. Of course I subverted them with stuff like Kydland and Prescott.

If anyone was too noisy, I just turned the volume up.

That is not available from 8:30am-4 pm on weekdays in term time unless I pay for it, which I am happy to do. More money than sense? No – just not prepared to have my kids inculcated as a Penny Wong or a Lee Rhiannon.

Exactly. Who would want a traitor indoctrinating their children?

.

28 Sep 12 at 2:02 pm
do you send your kids to boarding school (you made reference to 1,000 miles away) just to avoid the Victorian curriculum? I’m not entirely sure they will thank you for that in future.

Yeah they’ll HATE walking arse backwards into investment banking. Fucking pillock.

.

28 Sep 12 at 2:03 pm
Oh, I guess 1,000 miles away from it was metaphorical?

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 2:05 pm
“I was well loved.”

No doubt because you didn’t call them degenerate arse nuggets at the slightest provocation

Jarrah

28 Sep 12 at 2:07 pm
You are a winner Stevieliar QC. All over it.

Tiny Dancer

28 Sep 12 at 2:07 pm
Conservative Steve (buttplug aficionado) is against home schooling and private schooling. Only when the government is in charge is he happy.

Infidel Tiger

28 Sep 12 at 2:13 pm
the allegations that Mr Ashby makes do include some serious allegations

The Commonwealth strongly believes that this process has been one which is really for an ulterior purpose, not for the purposes of an ordinary workplace complaint

I think that there are a lot of questions to be answered.

Is it, sort of, internal Liberal National Party shenanigans?

What a fabulous AG she is. Another mighty victory for the cream of Emily’s List, How proud her party must be of her.

Tiny Dancer

28 Sep 12 at 2:15 pm
More money than sense.

What a wacko bunch of ideological warriors these threads consist of.

You’re free to spend your money as you see fit, James.

More comments from the supercoach.

I wonder how the fish are faring? Have they found out their fate yet?

brc

28 Sep 12 at 2:16 pm
http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/testimony/2000/20000328.htm

High denominations notes stop greedy Governments and facilitate civil disobedience.

.

28 Sep 12 at 2:18 pm
Steve, the “1000 miles away” was a figure of speech. I would not want to banish my children from the family in order for them to be properly educated. Just banished from those dedicated to white-anting, smearing, maligning and defeating all that I hold dear.

James in Melbourne

28 Sep 12 at 2:18 pm
Dogshit’s in heaven. Coming here is one big headjob for an attention whore, isn’t it, Dogshit?

Tom

28 Sep 12 at 2:24 pm
I suppose no Labor politician has ever come out of a private school, hey James?

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 2:28 pm
Just caught this on Yahoo while checking some mail. I think it refers to the specially set up websites but also generally, even here I guess, and I’m thinking that no-one here would want to hinder the course of justice taking place in the dreadful Meagher murder case. From her brother:

“And while I really appreciate all the support, I would just like to mention that negative comments on social media may hurt legal proceedings, so please be mindful of that.

i.e. he is referring to negative comments about the accused which would probably be easy enough to make …

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

28 Sep 12 at 2:29 pm
Exactly. Who would want a traitor indoctrinating their children?

I saw it though DOT and it was freakin’ scary. That school teacher with a head full of PoMo nuttery and a culture destroying relativism that must have left his students bewildered thinking they were products of an evil empire. Straight honours in his degree and a head filled with ideology. Amazing.

Dead Soul

28 Sep 12 at 2:31 pm
I suppose no Labor politician has ever come out of a private school, hey James?

Hitler Youth wannabe Roxon is a proud graduate of the wowser factory: MLC.

Infidel Tiger

28 Sep 12 at 2:32 pm
Ben Fordham did a good job reviewing the unbelievable amount of money Labor has wasted keeping Slippery Pete as speaker while the Ashby case remains unresolved.

Overseas trips, travel costs, huge phone bill.

It is amazing what people this Labor government gets away with.

When he leaves parliament he gets $114K pa indexed plus all the other benefits.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 2:35 pm
What poor high school got you as a student, IT? Private or public?

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 2:41 pm
I let people think what they wanted as long as they backed it up with evidence.

Yep, same in my academic teaching life, when in contestable areas. Now I’ve moved from a varied working life to W.I.F.E. as Helen calls it, proudly ‘trophy’. Just like you Helen, I don’t do ironing (never have, always wash and wear or dry clean for me) so I am on a sharp upward curve with all matters of fine laundering and the smoothing iron as befits Da Hairy Ape’s style choices. Fluffing cushions up I manage quite well, especially before I relax back into them.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

28 Sep 12 at 2:42 pm
I suppose no Labor politician has ever come out of a private school, hey James?

Of course they have, Steve. That can be seen from their behaviour when they attain the trappings of power – a grasping tackiness that shows them as more the wannabe plutocrat than any of their former classmates.

All of that completely absolved, naturally, by telling Their ABC, whenever the pesky subject is brought up, that they “didn’t fit in” at school.

James in Melbourne

28 Sep 12 at 2:44 pm
Please tell us the number of factories in India where children stitch balls together.

We’re not talking about factories, dot, we’re talking about out workers. The situation of child labour in India and other developing nations is an enirely predictable outcome of the “unfettered free market” you espouse, which becomes a race to the bottom so richer nations can get cheaper stuff.

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 2:44 pm
I would just like to mention that negative comments on social media may hurt legal proceedings, so please be mindful of that.

Surely that wouldn’t happen on the Cat?

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 2:46 pm
And remember how hard they fought to have Ashby as Speaker. LOL. Nine Labor MPs were nominated by the Libs. All rejected by Labor. Hilarious. Like everything else Labor maneuvers in it’s arrogance, it goes utterly wrong.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 2:46 pm
Hitler Youth wannabe Roxon is a proud graduate of the wowser factory: MLC.

After Bunyips recent posts, it would not be too long a bow to draw that Plibersek’s ancestors liked those spiffy uniforms that were all the vogue in the 30′s & 40′s.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 2:48 pm
And while I really appreciate all the support, I would just like to mention that negative comments on social media may hurt legal proceedings, so please be mindful of that.

That is a fair enough comment which is why I have tried to be indirect in my comments so they don’t turn up in a search engine. If people want the animal to be locked up and raped by Samoans, they should minimise opportunities for his defence to declare a mistrial.

jtfsoon

28 Sep 12 at 2:49 pm
The advantages of private schooling are:
- the teachers give a shit,
- the individual is encouraged to achieve their best,
- the extra curricular activities are quality with decent people and don’t involve me paying the government to get a ‘green card’ or whatever it is to volunteer for my kids sports club, and I don’t have to deal with some f*cktard who is trying to validate his own self-worth by building his empire out of local under 14s cricket team, and
- indoctrination is kept to a minimum because the school doesn’t want to offend the hard working parents who are paying for it all.

Worth every cent to see kids realise their potential and in peace of mind of not having to put up with the shithouse state indoctrination system.

Incidentally, I was going to keep my kids in state schools until they began high school (as the best compromise to save money). At a parent teacher interview I was quizzing my son’s maths grade as it was identified as a weakness and we do maths and logic nearly every night. I suspect he’s probably the best in the class, and probably better than his (clearly quite dumb) teacher. Her advice was that she broke the class into teams and marked accordingly in order to ‘advance the class as a group’. This is the point in which I decided it would be his last year of state schooling, and the other one would start private from scratch.

John Mc

28 Sep 12 at 2:50 pm
Left or right can we all agree that Conroy is a c**t?

I mean, just look at that mug

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/senators-red-undie-remarks-fall-flat-in-new-york-20120928-26pqt.html

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy has declared he has “unfettered legal power” over telecommunications regulation, including the ability to request Australian telcos “wear red underpants on their head”.

The bizarre comments were made by Senator Conroy at the Columbia Institute for Tele-Information conference in New York last Monday, and were reported by communications publication CommsDay yesterday.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/senators-red-undie-remarks-fall-flat-in-new-york-20120928-26pqt.html#ixzz27jkqp3WC

jtfsoon

28 Sep 12 at 2:51 pm
I suppose no Labor politician has ever come out of a private school, hey James?

The failures from the private system form a good part of the sneery inner city elites. The ALP, Greens & ALPBC are full of them.

As was predicted, the ALP and the left are made up of the dregs of the middle class.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 2:51 pm
predictable outcome of the “unfettered free market” you espouse

Go away. You are not prepared. Go read a book.

Or read this article by Paul Krugman (before he went mad): In Praise of Cheap Labor

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 2:53 pm
You would have to suspect in a case like this that there is going to be ample forensic evidence to tie the guy to the crime.

Still, yes, going berko on social media about murder trials before they happen is not a good idea.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 2:54 pm
Left or right can we all agree that Conroy is a c**t?

Can you just imagine how other nations view us? Supposedly a first world western nation and our ministers make statements like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Not to mention how his ‘darlec’ personality would of contributed to the whole effect.

John Mc

28 Sep 12 at 2:57 pm
SfB, who last attended school some time in late 1950′s thinks he is right on top of the modern school system and that those of us who actually endured the unmasked indoctrination (at the expense of actual education) of the post ’90′s revolution and are now agitating against it are simply uninformed “ideological warriors”.

He undoubtedly thinks schools still have pictures of the queen up, teachers are still well educated no nonsense disciplinarians and that kids still sing the national anthem under the flag, celebrate colonial Australia, sing their times tables before reading Shakespeare and then learn about the British origins of the Westminster system and the everlasting glorious empire.

Up with the times is our old Steve.

twostix

28 Sep 12 at 2:58 pm
This week on MWD:

● Dangerous Ideas? – Not at the Opera House but in MWD

● Can You Bear It? RN Breakfast Forgets the Workers; Mark Latham’s Back and Emma Alberici’s “Thing”

● Nancy’s Pick-of-the-Week: Dennis Altman Outs Clover Moore’s Egotism

● Nancy on the Couch Talks to Inky About Leigh Sales’ 7.30 and The Australian’s Phillip Adams

● Jim Spigelman, Michael Danby and Miranda Devine Win Five Paws

● Documentation: A Barbara Ramjan Update Re David Marr and Bruce Hawker

● Correspondence : How The Age censored a Robert Manne Critic

● A Self Indulgent Flashback: 50 years Since Essendon’s Grand Final Win

http://www.thesydneyinstitute.com.au/issue-156/

Ivan Denisovich

28 Sep 12 at 2:58 pm
You would have to suspect in a case like this that there is going to be ample forensic evidence to tie the guy to the crime.

Still, yes, going berko on social media about murder trials before they happen is not a good idea.

You really do dumb-down this blog.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 2:58 pm
Who was it the other day, Gab I think, who posted the aims of the Singapore curriculum? It was a case of read it, and weep.

Wasn’t it just. Thoughtfully integrated outlines demonstrating an intellectual rigor about each subject, with no political framing via weasel words like ‘sustainability’ and ‘equity’ and ‘social awareness’ etc. Good to see Howard getting stuck into the current National history curriculum today for its general laziness and blindness.

I am off now to see a ‘beautician’ and nail artist. Wow. Life changing stuff.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

28 Sep 12 at 3:01 pm
According to some lefties, it’s “not about the content” of the curriculum. LOL.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 3:04 pm
dangph, are you arguing in favour of the working conditions of the children the subject of the SMH report? Are those conditions the result of an “unfettered free market”?

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 3:04 pm
Lizzie, do you think people are really interested in the details of your sub-Brynne Edelsten life?

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 3:05 pm
twostix once again constructs an imaginary “SfB” to criticise.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 3:07 pm
Please dot, enlighten us on the benefits of child labour.

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 3:07 pm
Lizzie, do you think people are really interested in the details of your sub-Brynne Edelsten life?

SFB please be under no illusions that the pathetic sub-primary school level of tripe you write is of interest to anyone.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 3:07 pm
Communications Minister Stephen Conroy has declared he has “unfettered legal power” over telecommunications regulation, including the ability to request Australian telcos “wear red underpants on their head”.

IT losers and Tech publications from all over the country who raged against Conroy because he wanted to prevent them from looking at animated Japanese pseudo kiddie porn, now slobber and fawn over him in a way that makes Michelle Gratten look like a hard nosed non-partisan over his plan to bring the Internet in Australia under his governments total control.

He makes comments like this and still many refuse to believe what’s coming as soon as the last private network is switched off. Such is the hankering for some taxpayer funded ultra highspeed pr0n by so many IT nerds.

twostix

28 Sep 12 at 3:10 pm
dangph, are you arguing in favour of the working conditions of the children the subject of the SMH report?

Of course the situation of these children is not good, but what is their next best alternative? What is the best thing that can be done to improve their plight.

Read the article.

Are those conditions the result of an “unfettered free market”?

In India? No, they are the result of a long history of a fettered, non-free market.

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 3:13 pm
“Please dot, enlighten us on the benefits of child labour.”

You’re assuming they wouldn’t be labouring if it weren’t for the dastardly multinationals and their sweatshops.

Life is shitty in developing countries. They will only get less shitty if they can accumulate capital, which can only happen through remunerative work that is more productive than subsistence living. Working in factories for cents a day is better than the next best option. Not only that, but it is part of a process that will mean their children do much better than they do.

Jarrah

28 Sep 12 at 3:22 pm
New Facebook page set up two hours ago:
“Adrian Bayley is an innocent man”

I know his guilt has to be proved in court so thats not the point, but what type of lowlife would be inspired to set up such a page? Fuck me!

Nanuestalker

28 Sep 12 at 3:30 pm
Left or right can we all agree that Conroy is a c**t?

Where do I sign up?

Skuter

28 Sep 12 at 3:33 pm
Left or right can we all agree that Conroy is a c**t?

Be fair. He went without fresh milk for a couple of weeks when he was a kid. Unless you have faced trauma like that, you can’t judge him. Fufuxake! Walk a mile in his shoes before you criticise him.

James in Melbourne

28 Sep 12 at 3:37 pm
And while I really appreciate all the support, I would just like to mention that negative comments on social media may hurt legal proceedings, so please be mindful of that.

Fair enough. Yet however often people say this I don’t recall a single mistrial being declared because Robbo#234 wrote something condemnatory of the accused on Facebook. It’s a borderline urban myth.

C.L.

28 Sep 12 at 3:39 pm
Beclowned imbecile Nicola Roxon on Ashby: ‘No no, we were right.’

C.L.

28 Sep 12 at 3:41 pm
Please dot, enlighten us on the benefits of child labour.

Child labour of course means any kind of job such as being a street vendor – which can be profitable. The kids learn about supply chains, marketing, sales, maths and communication skills. They’d learn a hell of a lot of economics as well. It’s not a bad education really. Their parents would teach them literacy adn numeracy (necessary for the job). Computers and the internet, and indeed motor vehicles are cheap in India. They can learn all they like about humanities. Their only setback is they’ll never be a young aged elite sportsperson (maybe they’ll be okay at cricket which is a second religion in India) and they will have to learn independently for stuff like pre university maths.

So what? Go to a fucking tutor.

“they won’t be socialised”

No, they’ll be socialised plenty and play with their family and neighbourhood kids when the shop isn’t open.

You’ve gone from being an expert to being a fucking neophyte. You probe with a sabre until you meet steel because you are a bullshitting coward. All your effort is directed to your bizzare religion of making bureaucracy a centrepiece of life.

Why don’t you fuck off and leave us alone? What right do you have stopping Indians from feeding themselves you preening phoney?

Jarrah has nailed it in one. You ought to listen to him.

“SMH report”

There is your problem right there.

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28 Sep 12 at 3:50 pm
Ms Roxon said the government did not “resile” from its arguments that the claim was vexatious

Clearly the Australian Government Solicitor does not aggree with Roxon. Unless it made a political decision.

Tiny Dancer

28 Sep 12 at 3:50 pm
That’s really pathetic, Jarrah.

There’s a reason Western countries run away from deliberately using child labor in manufacture – because it’s immoral for the sake of the tiny extra profit involved.

No one says that using cheaper labor in a foreign country is wrong, and yes, globalisation helps the poor country grow wealthier and work conditions and pay improve over time. But there are limits which a free market philosophy should not exceed, and taking advantage of child labor is one of them. (Working adults into an early grave via unsafe work conditions you would not tolerate in your own country is another.)

Have a read of the Wikipedia article on child labor in India: it is supposed to be illegal there, and kids are supposed to be getting an education. That is doesn’t happen does not reflect well on the government, but there is no way it is moral for Western companies to profit from what is not supposed to be happening in Indian law anyway.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 3:51 pm
Jarrah has nailed it in one. You ought to listen to him.

Who is this Jarrah you speak of?

Nanuestalker

28 Sep 12 at 3:53 pm
Oh, look at moral imbecile dot come in with a full fledged support for using Indian kids for whatever a company wants.

What an embarrassment to the Right this blog is.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 3:54 pm
You fucking dumbarse Steve.

The wiki article uses the bullshit ILO definition of child labour, which is any children working, and presumes it is all bad.

Farking idiots. Have they considered school is a form of part time detention?

You are an imbecile Steve. Labour costs are not what matters.

It is UNIT LABOUR COSTS and LABOUR ON COSTS which fucking matter.

You unflushable arse nugget.

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28 Sep 12 at 3:55 pm
By the way – I meant to say “Western companies run away from using child labor (when it is pointed out to them that it is happening)”

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 3:55 pm
Stevie, what about Ashby? You used to bang on day and night about it. Fuckwit

Tiny Dancer

28 Sep 12 at 3:55 pm
No, you’re a moral degenerate, dot.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 3:57 pm
Oh, look at moral imbecile dot come in with a full fledged support for using Indian kids for whatever a company wants.

What an embarrassment to the Right this blog is.

No dickhead.

I used to work with a heap of economists from the sub continent.

This is what they think of the two Steves: you are preening, know nothing cnnts who hate brown people and like to jerk off into your own faces over their phoneyness.

There is nothing “moral” in denying someone to be able to feed themselves with their own labour.

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28 Sep 12 at 3:57 pm
No, you’re a moral degenerate, dot.

You’re a fucking idiot proposing that we re-invade India and impose our unfeasible false morality based on self aggrandising pretensions of middle class white superiority.

PS

Indians think you’re cnnt.

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28 Sep 12 at 3:59 pm
I couldn’t care less about who you worked with, you foul mouthed moral degenerate.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 4:00 pm
Go Away for an hour or so and then check back in only to find SFB still on the blog, still commenting crap and getting very angry. Hope he has another meltdown. Last time he did it was hilarious.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 4:02 pm
I don’t care about how much you don’t know you creepy pervert, what you don’t know could fill a warehouse.

Of course you don’t care what Indians think. As long as you “beat” the multinationals it doesn’t matter if Indians have a lower quality of life.

You sick, narcissitic fuck.

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28 Sep 12 at 4:02 pm
Steve,

Why do you hate Indians and want them to starve?

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28 Sep 12 at 4:03 pm
you foul mouthed moral degenerate.

and they told me economists were boring! ha! Dot sounds like a rock star.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 4:05 pm
Are those conditions the result of an “unfettered free market”?

It is obviously not apparent to you, from your position of plenty and comfort, that these kids are very much better off than in the past.

Globalisation and liberalisation of the Indian economy is the only hope for lifting them out of poverty.

You would prefer to have them back where they were 30 years ago, with no alternative to a life fossicking for food scraps and rags on a garbage tip.

Lazlo

28 Sep 12 at 4:07 pm
Thank you dot for confirming for me that children aged 10 working for 12 cents per ball, which then sell for hundreds times that amount, instead of being in school is a perfectly accepatble and expected outcome of your “unfettered free market” which is how the world should work.

Are you suggesting the information in the extensive reporting of the story is fictitious?

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 4:07 pm
There is nothing “moral” in denying someone to be able to feed themselves with their own labour.

dot, at what age is it moral to send children to work full time instead of being in school?

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 4:09 pm
Why do you hate Indians and want them to starve?

Because he is an arsehole. That is is his raison d’etre.

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 4:10 pm
SteveC, did you read the Krugman article? If not, then piss off and stop wasting our time.

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 4:13 pm
An edu-friggin-cation for children is something that helps countries grown richer too, you morons.

Encouraging child labour ensure that is not going to happen for the lower classes.

And as I said, Lazlo, dimwit, this is not an argument against globalisation per se. Globalisation is good – within limits. If, for example, exposing your worker to chemical X in a factory would be illegal in Australia because it is known it causes illness, it would be immoral to set up a factory that exposes workers to it in India. And that is regardless of how many workers in India might prefer to take that risk to their current job.

It’s absurd that libertarian wankers have to be told the same arguments as they were having in British parliament in the 19th century.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 4:18 pm
Yeah I am sure they can go to school without a tax base and the family struggles to survive on subsistence farming and foraging.

Good call Steve C. Let them eat turnips. It’s only wrong they earn an income because someone else is making more money than them. They are better off being on an income of $0 than letting someone else make a profit whilst they earn a wage…

It hasn’t occurred to you that school is coercive, unpaid labour and it has institutional problems with child abuse. Rights of the child my arse.

Of course. We need something Napoleon set up to whip the susperstitious country folk into shape and build an Indian army do we?

I can’t believe your main objection is that the kids weren’t getting paid $20 for every ball. Besides the fact that only a finished ball marketed in the right place in the world brings in top dollar…

Here is a tip, fuckwits

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balassa%E2%80%93Samuelson_effect#The_empirical_.22Penn_Effect.22_effect

Stupid cnnts.

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28 Sep 12 at 4:18 pm
SoB’s Wikipedia link:

For much of human history and across different cultures, children less than 17 years old have contributed to family welfare in a variety of ways. UNICEF suggests that poverty encourages child labour. The report also notes that in rural and impoverished parts of developing and undeveloped parts of the world, children have no real and meaningful alternative. Schools and teachers are unavailable. Child labour is the unnatural result.[32] A BBC report, similarly, concludes poverty and inadequate public education infrastructure are some of the causes of child labour in India.[33]

Nobody is endorsing child labour in India, we are noting the reality of that world the children live in. If they are not making Sherin’s those children will be working in other tasks.

If the child labour is to end India has to address the archaic caste system, the rampant corruption and all the social ills that came from following socialist dogma from 1948 to the 1990′s.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 4:19 pm
Child labour bad. Child death worse.

Dot, when boofhead 1 & boofhead 2 scramble around their detailed tangents in search of a ‘gotcha’ – simply bring it back to what matters.

The lefty mind just can’t work at that level of abstraction.

Rousie

28 Sep 12 at 4:20 pm
An edu-friggin-cation for children is something that helps countries grown richer too, you morons.

You obviously didn’t read your article LiarSteve.

The report also notes that in rural and impoverished parts of developing and undeveloped parts of the world, children have no real and meaningful alternative. Schools and teachers are unavailable. Child labour is the unnatural result.

Unlike us who all know check the documents you reference

Token

28 Sep 12 at 4:21 pm
An edu-friggin-cation for children is something that helps countries grown richer too, you morons.

NO NO NO NO NO

This only occurs when they have attained an adequate level of nutrition for two generations

This is fundamental stuff the developmental economists, and known to biologists as well.

Will you dumb lefties stop talking out of your arse about shit you have no idea about?

Do you honestly think parents don’t educate their children at all??? Do you think children who have a job don’t learn on their job about anything useful, besides having a job – which is the biggest indicator of future employment – and also a main goal of “investing” in education?

Here is some references for you dummies. Why don’t go away and LEARN THE MATERIAL???

Schultz, T. Paul, 1988. “Education investments and returns,” Handbook of Development Economics, in: Hollis Chenery† & T.N. Srinivasan (ed.), Handbook of Development Economics, edition 1, volume 1, chapter 13, pages 543-630 Elsevier.

Behrman, Jere R. & Deolalikar, Anil B., 1988. “Health and nutrition,” Handbook of Development Economics, in: Hollis Chenery† & T.N. Srinivasan (ed.), Handbook of Development Economics, edition 1, volume 1, chapter 14, pages 631-711 Elsevier.

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28 Sep 12 at 4:23 pm
And as I said, Lazlo,

I wasn’t talking to you, you conceited prick.

I try very hard not to reply to your provocative trollery, because it only encourages you to be even more childish.

Sometimes I fail. But it can have the benefit of witnessing you going into meltdown, as you did yesterday.

Lazlo

28 Sep 12 at 4:24 pm
As usual the leftie compares reality with fantasy. The reality of children in sweatshops is terrible; the fantasy of children with full bellies in classrooms doing finger painting is wonderful. Fantasy wins. Therefore ban sweatshops. What a fool.

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 4:26 pm
If the child labour is to end India has to address the archaic caste system, the rampant corruption and all the social ills that came from following socialist dogma from 1948 to the 1990′s.

YES! India had very poor economic outcomes until the 1990s. The caste system is a blight on the country and holds many of the underprivileged back more than anything else.

Making the lower castes economically powerful will change that. Nothing else will.

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28 Sep 12 at 4:26 pm
As CL says, Token, if sfb provides a link, it is always judicious to read it oneself. One invariable finds the opposite of what he said it said to be true.

dover_beach

28 Sep 12 at 4:28 pm
Sorry kids, no dinner tonight. We’re assuaging the moral vanity pleas of some boofheads from Australia.

Yes, I am sure they know best.

Have you done your homework yet?

Rousie

28 Sep 12 at 4:29 pm
As usual the leftie compares reality with fantasy.

If you want social cohesion you want young men to be employed and fully occupied.

From London to France to Kenya in the past 5 years we’ve seen large riots burn cities when young men who have had an education are not employed take out their anger.

India and other emerging countries do not suffer that problem as at least the boys can earn money to provide for their families. The Transfer Payments that result provide capital to those at home and a hope of an eductiosn.

…but as we know, the Lefties prefer an ever increasing pool of unemployed labour.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 4:36 pm
Yes dangph, I read the article. Do you think Krugman was talking about 10 year old children?

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 4:41 pm
On schools:

https://www.johntaylorgatto.com/bookstore/dumbdnblum1.htm

Why do lefties think they basically make cows produce cream and shit gold?

Those who insist on “edukayshun nort jerbs” ought to bloody know a thing or two about education before they start recolonising bloody India.

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28 Sep 12 at 4:42 pm
Here dangph, I’ll swap you a read
India’s latest move to stop child labor

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 4:47 pm
Yes dangph, I read the article. Do you think Krugman was talking about 10 year old children?

Yes. You have to seriously answer the question, “What is their next best alternative?” If they were not sewing footballs, what would they be doing? They are sewing footballs because it is their best option at the moment. You want to take that option away from them.

You have to seriously answer that question.

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 4:58 pm
The new law is stupid.

Australian kids work in the service sector under the age of 14.

NGOs are demanding the purview of such a ban be extended to include all children below the age of 18. Research by Save the Children shows that 74 percent of child domestic workers in India are between the ages of 12 and 16.

Are they serious? It’s mostly teenagers anyway. But they want to ban people from working before they are 18?

There’d be hardly any apprentices in Australia.

This is just a recipe for poverty.

Ingrid Srinath, the CEO of Child Rights and You (CRY), a New Delhi based NGO, calls the ban notification “insular” and is skeptical that it will do much good in its current form.

The ban, he says, does little to address the reasons that compel children to work: backbreaking poverty, family debts, marginalization, and migration of their parents.

A recent study conducted by the International Labour Organization found that “children’s work was considered essential to maintaining the economic level of households, either in the form of work for wages, of help in household enterprises, or of household chores in order to free adult household members for economic activity elsewhere.”

Raju’s father, a daily wage laborer, frets that the ban will only exacerbate his family’s financial woes. “At least now, he doesn’t steal. He earns his meals with dignity,” he says. “If the ban is enforced, he might be forced to beg for alms, or the family might go hungry.”

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28 Sep 12 at 4:59 pm
There are plenty of 10 year old Australian kids who work in the family business for 0 cents an hour. Particularly if that business is a farm pr a convenience store.

Where is the outrage?

That’s right, they are the children of capitalists, and therefore not real humans.

I don’t like child labour. But it’s not our country to choose. Withdrawing the contract for manufacture from them won’t get the kids into school, that’s for sure. It will just mean they’ll either be unemployed and scrounging, or the boss man will get a contract from some other company.

I’d rather see them productive and paid than wandering the streets or garbage tips, or worse.

brc

28 Sep 12 at 5:01 pm
Raju’s father, a daily wage laborer, frets that the ban will only exacerbate his family’s financial woes. “At least now, he doesn’t steal. He earns his meals with dignity,” he says. “If the ban is enforced, he might be forced to beg for alms, or the family might go hungry.”

Ridiculous. The two Steve Labor nutjobs here know better and pontificate as much, to all and sundry, from their warm and cosy houses with their full bellies and no doubt ample butts- judging by how long they maintain their Labor vigil on this site. Yes they know far more than the father of a kid in a country far far away. A country in which neither have lived, but no, they know better than the locals.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 5:07 pm
Poll Shows Romney Winning High Water Mark for Libertarian Vote

Among these likely libertarian voters, the presidential horserace currently stands:

Romney 77%
Obama 20%
Other 3%

Romney’s share of the libertarian vote represents a high water mark for Republican presidential candidates in recent elections.

Hmmmm…. Very interesting. But why was I not surprised that this election season that Libertarians would go overwhelmingly GOP?

Alex Pundit

28 Sep 12 at 5:07 pm
You stupid pillock Token – you’re quoting a general statement as if it applies to everywhere in India where child labour is happening.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 5:09 pm
brc, at those kids at school? How many hours are they working? Are they doing work likely to harm their health.
Discussions like this always remind me of John Kenneth Galbraith.
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
I take comfort from knowing that people who promote the arguments in favor of child labor are in a tiny minority.

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 5:11 pm
At least now, he doesn’t steal. He earns his meals with dignity,” he says. “If the ban is enforced, he might be forced to beg for alms, or the family might go hungry.”

Yes over 100 million died in the 20th century due to similar lefty policies, but Dot & Dangph, you are missing what is important.

SteveC needs to have that feeling of superiority that comes from being able to interfere in people’s lives from a position of supreme arrogance and ignorance, and not having to see or understand the consequences of his decision.

The flint hearted left doesn’t have room to feel for the children or parents facing diabolical choices.

Better to demonise the individuals who try to make life better with over simplifications and presentation of the players as pantomine villians.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 5:15 pm
Stopping children working in the most productive jobs available means the country will be poorer for longer, meaning children have to work for many years into the future instead of not so many.

The fastest way to get rid of child labour is to allow child labour (within reason – I support the principles behind the Worst Forms convention).

Jarrah

28 Sep 12 at 5:16 pm
I take comfort from knowing that people who promote the arguments in favor of child labor are in a tiny minority.

So you would prefer that they were fossicking on garbage tips, begging, or were forced into child prostitution..

Lazlo

28 Sep 12 at 5:18 pm
Get fucked you cnnt.

I want Indians to be able to earn an income and not beg for alms. Again your complaint is that the kids didn’t earn enough of the income derived from the sale price, you communist shit.

Righto dickhead, let’s see you pay $400 for a football.

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

A pampered left wing princess quoting another pampered left wing princess – both dead wrong about almost everything.

Quelle surprise!

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28 Sep 12 at 5:19 pm
Yet however often people say this I don’t recall a single mistrial being declared because Robbo#234 wrote something condemnatory of the accused on Facebook.

I think they’re less worried about any given individual comment than the potential for the aggregate to be used to argue that a fair trial isn’t possible. This is probably a more acute concern give how prominently the situation has been followed in & amplified through social media (as well as traditional media). They were probably made aware that the prior criminal history of the accused had been touched on in some quarters & were hoping to prevent too much of a storm building around this amongst those who’d been following the case.

badm0f0

28 Sep 12 at 5:20 pm
I take comfort from knowing that people who promote the arguments in favor of child labor are in a tiny minority.

What if your policies caused more misery than they sought to prevent? Would you still take comfort? I think that yes, sadly, you would, because you are an idiot.

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 5:21 pm
So you would prefer that they were fossicking on garbage tips, begging, or were forced into child prostitution..

I’m not surprised given these creeps hail from the ALP…although they usually don’t pay the kids.

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28 Sep 12 at 5:22 pm
You stupid pillock Token – you’re quoting a general statement as if it applies to everywhere in India where child labour is happening.

So you agree the statement is true. Thank you for being man enough for acknowledging you learned something from the dialogue.
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“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”

Nice strawman you introduced SteveC. JSG has been proven wrong about many matters.

Given all that, we acknowledged above:

1. We don’t want children to have to work
2. Laws do not end the problem. The only solution is for the society to become affluent and as then the parents can afford to have their children spend all their time at school.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 5:24 pm
brc, at those kids at school? How many hours are they working?

Ah, now we get to the nub of it.

If a child in Australia works in the local business, but also goes to school, I presume this is OK?

By this, you agree that if a child receives education, a bit of work isn’t a bad thing?

Are they doing work likely to harm their health.

All work has the potential to harm your health. It’s just a matter of degree. Friends of mine that spent childhood years working on farms turned out to be strapping young blokes, so I would say that it was beneficial for them.

I take comfort from knowing that people who promote the arguments in favor of child labor are in a tiny minority.

I don’t favor child labour at all. I’m just not a presumptions twat who thinks can sit half a globe away and presume to interfere with somebody else’s family.

By this response we can say that:
- child labor itself isnt’ wrong, it’s just the lack of school that is the problem
- child labor itself is OK as long as it isn’t dangerous work

brc

28 Sep 12 at 5:26 pm
I think we need a serious sports and arts component in the new national curriculum. Idle minds and all that…It will prevent preversions such as joining Amnesty International and going to youth Parliament. These preversions unfortunately afflict dickhead lefties for life, they never grow up.

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28 Sep 12 at 5:27 pm
1. We don’t want children to have to work
2. Laws do not end the problem. The only solution is for the society to become affluent and as then the parents can afford to have their children spend all their time at school.

Well said…

Lazlo

28 Sep 12 at 5:28 pm
“India has the largest number of child laborers on the planet. And studies by non-governmental organizations (NGOs) reveal shockingly high levels of emotional, physical, and sexual abuse among children working as domestic helpers.” From Token’s link. So if they do work sounds better they work in a factory than as domestics where they are abused. By the way, now that Sherrin pulled out after all the do-gooder, know-nothing luvvie furore, the families are left with no income. Good job, lefties.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 5:33 pm
By the way, now that Sherrin pulled out after all the do-gooder, know-nothing luvvie furore, the families are left with no income.

But are now free to be educated in non existent schools until they starve or get on a boat.

jumpnmcar

28 Sep 12 at 5:41 pm
If you sew footballs for a while, then at least you’ve got some skills and a work history, and you can use those to trade up to a better job. It’s a stepping stone. Where is the race to the bottom, SteveC?

As usual the lefties don’t care if they destroy stepping stones for the most vulnerable people in society. So long as they get to call themselves compassionate, and call conservatives cold hearted, that’s all that matters. They don’t give a shit about who they hurt.

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 5:46 pm
If you sew footballs for a while, then at least you’ve got some skills and a work history, and you can use those to trade up to a better job. It’s a stepping stone.

This is exactly what Gary Becker says, and I paraphrased him before.

What would perhaps the most eminent labour economist in the world know?

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28 Sep 12 at 5:50 pm
Another article (from 30 Aug 12) on Indian child labor:

India’s government has proposed a ban on the employment of children younger than 14, as it tries to push more youngsters into school and address an issue that has sullied the country’s image as an emerging economic powerhouse.

The proposed amendment to India’s existing child labor laws would impose a three-year jail term and a fine of $900 for anyone who employs children younger than 14 in any work at all or uses children younger than 18 in hazardous industries.

If adopted by Parliament, the amendment, which the cabinet approved this week, would signal an end to India’s long-standing official tolerance of the inevitability of poor children being in the workforce.

Child and human rights campaigners, as well as the International Labor Organization, welcomed the move as a landmark development in India’s child labor debate, though they admitted that enforcement would be a huge challenge.

“The time is absolutely right,” said economist A.K. Shiva Kumar, a member of the influential National Advisory Council, which recommends policies for the Congress party. “They’ve really recognized that the long-term benefits of education are far more consequential than the short-term gains of child labor.”

But no, ideologically driven Catallaxians know what’s best for the Indian kids, and think it’s A-OK for Western companies to take advantage of a social situation the Indian cabinet wants to put an end to.

Here’s the thing: why don’t you start a campaign for child labor. Start going to AGM of any meeting that manufactures in a relatively poor overseas country, and start asking why they aren’t using child labor. While your at it, demand that they crunch the contractors down in cost by getting the adults to work 12 hours a day instead of 11.

People will look at you like the nutjobs you are.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 6:03 pm
1. We don’t want children to have to work
2. Laws do not end the problem. The only solution is for the society to become affluent and as then the parents can afford to have their children spend all their time at school.

I agree Token.
Remember the reason producers use child labor is because they can, and they can pay very little. As a result of “unfettered free markets”. It’s not through an altruistic aim to lift communities out of poverty.

Gab- they are not in factories – have a read of the story.

Dangph – the race to the bottom means as soon as wages improve in one location the producers will move to another location where can get equally cheap labour.

Leadership needs to come from large companies like Nike and Adidas (as it has) an hopefully Sherrin’s parent company. That’s the whole aim of Fair Trade

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 6:04 pm
Caritas, the social arm of the Catholic Church, has been supporting the poor through its working children program since 2007. The project funds 12 nonformal education centers in all 12 parishes of Faisalabad in Punjab province.

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 6:07 pm
Dickhead: allowing the indigent to work so they can eat is not crazy.

Referring to non-existent schools and ignoring the greatest minds in developmental and labour economics and cherry picking and misquoting some poor dupe, certainly is crazy.

Congress have held the country back for decades.

Here’s the thing: why don’t you start a campaign for child labor.

Because children have shit productivity. Hence why I referred to unit labour costs, you dumbarse.

Congress is the party of Indira Ghandi who set up a quasi dictatorship, oppressed the Sikhs and tried to sterlise the less well off.

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28 Sep 12 at 6:08 pm
It’s not through an altruistic aim to lift communities out of poverty.

Neither is paid work in Australia.

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28 Sep 12 at 6:09 pm
“the race to the bottom means as soon as wages improve in one location the producers will move to another location where can get equally cheap labour.”

Which is great, because now the new location can have a bit of industrialisation and development itself, while the old location, with its higher wages, has moved up the economic ladder and will have more capital to use and better consumer markets, etc.

Jarrah

28 Sep 12 at 6:11 pm
Public spotlight can be useful:
Sherrin to offer jobs to child stitchers’ parents

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/sherrin-to-offer-jobs-to-child-stitchers-parents-20120928-26q6y.html#ixzz27kZAWkPo

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 6:12 pm
The Age reports:

Sherrin has promised to offer employment to the parents of all of the child labourers who previously worked stitching its footballs.

Already, nearly 70 former home stitchers have begun work, on better pay, in the factory of Sherrin’s Indian manufacturer, Spartan.

More detail in the story.

This is entirely the right thing to do; something fools who live here would presumably not have bothered with.

What a bunch of offensive morons.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 6:14 pm
Apple use young kids around 14 in their factories and I understand conditions are quite poor – poor environment, poor safety, very low pay, just all out bad conditions.

I don’t buy any more Apple products because of that.

It would be good if Apple as this huge successful company could lead the way with fair conditions to their young employees, still providing employment to the kids and helping their economy but just do it properly. One would think they could afford to do it properly.

candy

28 Sep 12 at 6:16 pm
dot and jump, some of the non-existent schools in Jalandhar
Looks like you need another chat with your economist friends in the sub continent, dot.

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 6:18 pm
Fuck of Steve you creep. Of course they have to do that, sooner or later. A new law forbids the employment of anyone under the age of 18.

Of course, such a law is going to see the rural poor starve, but Steve doesn’t give a fuck because the kids will be going to non existent schools.

candy – they are not “Apple’s Factories”

.

28 Sep 12 at 6:19 pm
Steve C – try thinking about non existent food. Pause for a moment as to what that does in the short run.

It is well known education has no benefit without generational good nutrition.

.

28 Sep 12 at 6:22 pm
Candy, I listended to quite a long program on “This American Life” about Apple and Foxconn. It would appear Apple have received perhaps unwarranted bad press. I don’t know if you can find the program online, but it was quite a detailed study.

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 6:24 pm
The two lobotomised laybore trolls have been copping an absolute shellacking today, even more so than usual.

Bloody brilliant – keep up the good work, Cats.

Rabz

28 Sep 12 at 6:25 pm
Offensive lies at the ABC.
Earlier this week a 17 year old got bitten by a deadly snake in the Hunter Valley. The newsworthy angle was that such snakes are rare so far east.

Now the snake is in the care of ‘snake handlers and will be relocated. It’s illegal to kill even the deadliest of snakes in Australia. They must be relocated. Well, I guess that’s humane, but the policy is invariably justified with the following two Orwellian falsehoods:
* snakes are placid, misunderstood creatures
* when a human gets bitten, it’s the human’s fault.
Observe:

“They are a very placid snake, they rarely bite,” she said.

“It does take a lot to aggravate them to bite.

“We’ve had him since last night and he’s shown no aggression whatsoever.

“He’s the most toxic land snake in the world and we’d like to know where he came from, who gave it to the young guy.”

She says they can be very dangerous if mishandled.

When a policy needs a web of lies to defend it, the policy is probably bad.
And frankly, a society in which it’s illegal to kill deadly snakes is a society that has lost its sense of perspective.

dd

28 Sep 12 at 6:28 pm
And what proportion of Indian child workers have inadequate nutrition to go to school, dot?

And what does that mean – they have to wait another 25 or 50 years before bothering sending poor kids to school.

Sounds like bullshit to me: the nutrition problem may hamper educational outcomes, but sounds no reason to not give them a basic education at all.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 6:28 pm
This is entirely the right thing to do; something fools who live here would presumably not have bothered with.

What a bunch of offensive morons.

Sure. So now the teenagers will be farmed out as domestic helpers in private homes and face abuse, as the report above shows, there is a high level of physical and sexual abuse committed against these kids. But yeah, they’re no longer working in a factory, so there’s that. I wonder if you read the story you posted, SFB? The bit where the stitchers working from home will now instead be employed in the factories, replacing the teenagers – and where will these kids go? Not to school.

Gab

28 Sep 12 at 6:29 pm
Snake handlers always blame the victim. Screw them. Snakes are dangerous pests and killing snakes should be legal.

dd

28 Sep 12 at 6:29 pm
Sounds like bullshit to me: the nutrition problem may hamper educational outcomes, but sounds no reason to not give them a basic education at all.

Sure Steve, everything that goes into the Elselvier Handbooks is bullshit, but everything you say about topics you know NOTHING about is true.

Just fuck off.

.

28 Sep 12 at 6:31 pm
Snakes are dangerous pests and killing snakes should be legal.

DD

If I saw you kill a snake, I wouldn’t report it.

The law is bizzare and no one has any respect for it. It should be repealed. Pearl clutchers like the two Steves would be outraged.

.

28 Sep 12 at 6:32 pm
Why don’t you answer the question you bullshit artist with the enormous head known as dot:

does the “generational nutrition problem” mean you don’t send kids to school at all?

What proportion of child workers in India don’t have the nutrition to finish school.

Give us the details or your just bullshitting.

steve from brisbane

28 Sep 12 at 6:35 pm
It’s illegal to kill even the deadliest of snakes in Australia.

It is?

Bloody hell – we (me and and my friends) used to hunt and kill them several decades ago, for the sheer bloody enjoyment of it, just as we used to torture funnel webs back in the seventies in our pre-teens.

What a soft, pathetic country we’ve become.

Rabz

28 Sep 12 at 6:36 pm
DD

We had an issue with a snake about 4 years ago . I wasn’t there at the time, so wifey called the cops to find out what to do and they gave her the number to a snake catcher.

It ended up costing her ( me really… I’ll never forget) $267 to have spineless thing “relocated”. It was one of those brown snakes which are fucking deadly.

If I was there there I would have cut it in half with a shovel. It was in the enclosed pool equipment area which is dangerous.

You forgot the third point. It’s an original owner after all.

JC

28 Sep 12 at 6:36 pm
Pearl clutchers like the two Steves would be outraged.

Let them get bitten then. It’s not like being bitten by a fucking mosquito. This is what it looks like.

That’s the reason I fucking partial to the Fisk Doctrine and a computerized guillotine for repeat leftwing offenders.

JC

28 Sep 12 at 6:40 pm
Public spotlight can be useful:
Sherrin to offer jobs to child stitchers’ parents

That is good news SteveC. A good result as the families involved benefit in the long run.

I do hope those factories keep using the adults once the public attention moves somewhere else.

I’m sorry to say that from experience in China the agents that Sherrin engaged (you always have to have a local partner) will find a new city/town up the road who offers higher wages and the factory and the parents lose their jobs again.

That said, like Jarrah notes the industrialisation and capital that results can spur further development.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 6:41 pm
And what proportion of Indian child workers have inadequate nutrition to go to school, dot?

All of them, if all of them are no longer allowed to work.

In the most dire situations, no one denies that their parents don’t want them to work, you twit. They find that preferable to malnutrition and starvation.

Maybe you also find the concept of a literate parent teaching their child the family business (which they will inherit someday) and basic literacy and numeracy and supplementing their education with a tutor (in preparation for university or technical college) as something only a “nutjob” would believe in – because people around the world should mimic what the megalomaniac Bonaparte did in France?

Your infantile and fantastic view of homogenised public education should embarrass you but you have the shame of a rutting bonobo chimp.

Steve’s love of dictators like Indira Ghandi and Napoleon Bonaparte just shows he isn’t a serious person and is a sick creep.

.

28 Sep 12 at 6:41 pm
A study of 188 government-run primary schools found that 59% of the schools had no drinking water and 89% had no toilets.

If the Sherrin factories had a tap and dunnies, I know where i would rather my child was.
Liarsteves?

jumpnmcar

28 Sep 12 at 6:41 pm
Dot, rural poor?
Do some fucking research for once before you open your stupid mouth to spout uninformed shit.

Jalandhar is considered to be the less populated and cleanest city of Punjab. It is also known as the largest developed city in State. Jalandhar has numerous hospitals, including Ruby Nelson Memorial Hospital of Seventh-Day-Adventis, Akal Eye Hospital, Mahajan Eye Hospital, Thind Eye Hospital, Patel Hospital, Tagore Hospital, Lajwanti Hospital, Oxford Hospital, Pruthi Hospital, Guru Nanak Mission Hospital, Ruby Hospital, and Ghai Hospital. Although each hospital has its own identity, Akal Eye Hospital, Mahajan Eye Hospital and Thind Eye Hospital are on the world map for their Lasik treatments. Jalandhar is also one the largest producer of vehicles of the country.

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 6:42 pm
That said, like Jarrah notes the industrialisation and capital that results can spur further development.

Jarrah has been bang on with regards to this topic.

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28 Sep 12 at 6:43 pm
You didn’t link to this article on Foxconn at American Life did you SteveC?

Unfortunately though the Australian ABC ran hard with the fabrication, they forgot to report on how the story was all a fraud.

It turns out the person at the center of the report, Mike Daisey, “partially fabricated” key details.

Daisey is a performance artist who had a one-man show on Apple. After seeing that show, “This American Life” producer and host Ira Glass asked him to record a modified version of the show.

In the episode, Glass said, “We have gone through his script and fact checked everything that was checkable … Overall, we checked with over a dozen people.”

“This American Life” now says Daisey “misled” the fact checkers.

It will air a full explanation on Sunday, and it will be, “separating fact from fiction, when it comes to Apple’s manufacturing practices in China.”

In the meantime, you can read a longer press release here that details much of what was wrong.

You should never trust the ABC SteveC. Period.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 6:46 pm
No Steve C, you are pushing a giant crock of shit around.

I am speaking generally and you know I was. I am backed by mountains of empirical evidence you are ignorant of. You have anecdotes and newspaper articles.

You should apologise for your colossal hypocrisy but you have the shame of a gold rush whore.

Save your moral outrage for a time when you are being honest.

.

28 Sep 12 at 6:46 pm
SteveC

Stop the fucking swearing at a rightwinger. If you can’t speak respectfully then fuck off back to Kimberly, you blow up plastic sex doll. Know your place you douchebag.

JC

28 Sep 12 at 6:46 pm
And what does that mean – they have to wait another 25 or 50 years before bothering sending poor kids to school.

Maybe not that long, but yes, it does take a while for an economy to thrive after it has been crippled by policies from arseholes like you.

Hopefully the kids of the kids who are sewing footballs today will be able to go to school, so long as your lot don’t make things worse in the meantime.

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 6:49 pm
Jarrah has been bang on with regards to this topic.

Here, here. He has been.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 6:49 pm
I’m not a rightwinger JC, I believe in freedom – and the right to feed yourself with the efforts of your own labours. Or to educate your own children as you see fit.

The left believes in starvation and protecting creep MPs. They are insidious.

The right believes in consensual buggery to improve camraderie amongst the elite who prepare for tomorrows battles on today’s playing fields. Or in elite rowing squadrons. They are inept.

.

28 Sep 12 at 6:51 pm
Oh FFS, I haven’t been totally following the story. It’s not one of those think of da children schticks is it? This time refined down to think of da children in developing nations.

Doesn’t ever stop?

JC

28 Sep 12 at 6:52 pm
Sorry dot, I’m not a rightwinger in the strict sense of the word because like you I’m not a conservative.

I’m just using the term generically to establish those who despise leftism/statism… Asrsholes they are.

JC

28 Sep 12 at 6:54 pm
Please keep this up, dot and co.; sfb might soon spit his dummy and leave us for a month or so. Bliss.

dover_beach

28 Sep 12 at 6:54 pm
I’m not a right-winger JC, I believe in freedom…

LOL.

dover_beach

28 Sep 12 at 6:59 pm
The right believes in consensual buggery to improve camraderie amongst the elite who prepare for tomorrows battles on today’s playing fields. Or in elite rowing squadrons.

huh?

dd

28 Sep 12 at 7:00 pm
The Age reports:

Sherrin has promised to offer employment to the parents of all of the child labourers who previously worked stitching its footballs.

Already, nearly 70 former home stitchers have begun work, on better pay, in the factory of Sherrin’s Indian manufacturer, Spartan.

More detail in the story.

This is entirely the right thing to do; something fools who live here would presumably not have bothered with.

What a bunch of offensive morons.

Pot, kettle.

How many billions of people in the developing world have you offered better pay and conditions to SoB?

All of them? only some?

how many?

perhaps you can “redistribute” the wealth. Tell me how that worked in Cuba, Albania, former USSR, Eastern Bloc. Totalitarism works for you? The movie ‘Other People Lives” gave you warm thoughts of the Motherland?

You really are a sicko

I think you are all bitter and twisted as you think life has treated you unfairly, as it has left you to rot in the slum of Pinkenba, wedged between the sewerage works and the sleezy dive of a hotel with topless barmaids.

I am sure that where you get your kicks at lunchtime, go and have a perve. That and coming onto the Cat and having a spray of stupidity and venom.

foff

Will

28 Sep 12 at 7:01 pm
Let us examine the abject stupidity of “fair” trade.

Sherrin is pressured/outlawed from employing children. Their parents are paid the same to do the same work.

The net results is that the child loses the income, and the parent is now paid a child’s income.

Whatever the child’s wage rate is (be it equal or less than an adult’s), for every child: parent pair, one adult’s wage is lost.

No one gains from this. It is not fair. Disposable incomes and employment falls in the region. People are on subsistence incomes or worse – even if the kids are going to a subsidised school.

The children are not generally physiologically developed enough to go onto higher learning and the ROI (as per IRR)/NPV for education will be marginal if not negative.

The local region also loses its tax base and ability to fund public goods such as the police and publicly funded infrastructure or services.

All of this is undeniably true.

.

28 Sep 12 at 7:02 pm
Remember that to the left, the idea is all important, the outcome (destruction and waste) is irrelevant.

Stevieliar QC have you cooked some dinner?

Tiny Dancer

28 Sep 12 at 7:09 pm
Lizzie, do you think people are really interested in the details of your sub-Brynne Edelsten life?

Piss off you silly little twerp. I am interested in the contradictions of my existence, and that is good enough for me. I note how much people here have expressed the most extraordinary interest in your views on the world in general and your declared role reversal, whereas I am all unctuous sympathy. If you continue on in this vein, rest assured you will get no further helpful household hints from me to assist you in your beta maleness and little dickery.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

28 Sep 12 at 7:14 pm
Labor PMs have lived here since 2007 yet no solar panels.
I wonder how many labor MPs have solar panels.
A survey should be done.
SfB, your in charge of that OK ?

jumpnmcar

28 Sep 12 at 7:19 pm
at what age is it moral to send children to work full time instead of being in school?

I went to work full time aged just fourteen and three months, with long hours, for absolute peanuts.

I’m still standing.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

28 Sep 12 at 7:24 pm
Token, re American Life, yes that’s the gist of the article i linked. It will air a full explanation on Sunday,. That’s the show I listened to, (the full explanation) it was quite interesting.

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 7:27 pm
Dot, I raised a very specific case in the first place, which you disputed, so it’s a bit late to say “I was speaking generally”. In the specific case you are totally wrong, as current events have shown.

Your point being? If India has child slavery, that’s on them. If children are allowed to earn an income, their family can get out of poverty.
Don’t lecture me on shit you know nothing about, imbecile.

hahaha. Lecture, that’s all you ever do. The problem is, your head is so far up your own arse, all I can hear is shit.

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 7:33 pm
So not 7 or 10 Lizzie?

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 7:34 pm
If you continue on in this vein, rest assured you will get no further helpful household hints from me to assist you in your beta maleness and little dickery.

Sinc!!!!!

Liberty quote please

JamesK

28 Sep 12 at 7:35 pm
I was correct, I was non-specific from the outset, and I have consistently been correct and now I have demolished the bogus idea of fair trade.

Again: Please don’t lecture people on topics you know nothing about, Steves.

.

28 Sep 12 at 7:36 pm
The net results is that the child loses the income, and the parent is now paid a child’s income.

Already, nearly 70 former home stitchers have begun work, on better pay, in the factory of Sherrin’s Indian manufacturer, Spartan.

Wrong again, dot.

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 7:36 pm
The second time I’ve added to my risk position in DDD. I’m old enough to understand that the technology could be an absolute screamer but the stock one buys to express such an opinion may be a dog.

I think that 3D imaging is the genesis of fabrication and replication. In other words – and much to the chagrin of leftwing misanthropes and deadbeats- manufactured goods are going to cost a fraction of what they do now as a result of this technology.

If I’m right and DDD is the right vehicle I could be on a something that ends up being worth thousands of dollars per share.

I read a report that someone has thought of re-fabricating the body of a motor vehicle cutting the cost by 90% using 3D. Amazingly cars are structured and cut body wise the same way they were from the very beginning.

JC

28 Sep 12 at 7:38 pm
So what you’re telling me is there isn’t a race to the bottom?

That would mean that you have been wrong at least half of the time.

Yes and note how I refer to unit labour costs over and over again, not wages.

Competition and capital accumulation have seen real wages rise. Jarrah and I are correct again, and you are wrong in both fact and premature jubilation.

.

28 Sep 12 at 7:39 pm
WSJ, Sean Fieler: Easy Money Is Punishing the Middle Class (whilst enriching JC)
A policy of low but persistent inflation anesthetizes workers to declining real wages.

With the Republican Party committed to a gold commission and the Federal Reserve committed to easy money, a substantive debate about the principles underpinning our monetary system is finally in the offing. For sound money to carry the day, Republicans will need to do more than point out the still-hypothetical risks of easy money. The GOP will have to detail the harm that the middle class has already suffered as a result of a policy of low but persistent levels of inflation.

A little inflation appears to be a free lunch, lubricating the economy and gradually erasing past financial mistakes. But the nature of the free lunch is that its costs aren’t absent—they’re just distributed broadly. And in the case of low but steady inflation, the broadly distributed costs are borne by the middle class. Over time, rising prices have eroded American workers’ standard of living. And, over time, the Federal Reserve’s persistent easy money hurts the very person it is presumably intended to help, the American worker.

The notion that modest inflation is helpful to labor dates to John Maynard Keynes’s “General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money.” Keynes pointed out that the supply of labor is not a function of real wages alone. Rather, the instance in which the supply of labor is determined solely by real wages is a special case that fits into his broader “General Theory,” which showed the strong influence that observed wages have over the supply of labor.

JamesK

28 Sep 12 at 7:40 pm
Dot,

Don’t take nay shit from that idiot SteveC. If he gets abusive report to the site management and have the fucker banned for life.

JC

28 Sep 12 at 7:42 pm
JC, please explain hwo the one-way no abuse policy works?

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 7:46 pm
So not 7 or 10 Lizzie?

No. I was too busy cooking the food, picking up the shattered glass and missing school at that age, SteveC.

Terrible I know. But true. Although I realise you have no reason whatsoever to believe this, and nor does anyone else. But I do. End of story.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

28 Sep 12 at 7:48 pm
JC, please explain hwo the one-way no abuse policy works?

Easy. Leftwingers that abuse a non leftwinger or use strong language should receive a lifetime ban from the Cat. In my book all leftwingers that post here should be banned immediately, but I have nothing to do with the site management.

You don’t like this rule?

Then fuck off back to the Dumb or Crikey. No one here gives a shit.

Think it’s grossly unfair?

We don’t send tissues.

JC

28 Sep 12 at 7:51 pm
UPDATE 2-UK seeks to mend “broken” Libor, not scrap it

The banks should tell the regulator to go eat shit and walk off. Don’t fucking post LIBOR anymore and let them stew in their own broth.

It’s a private rate asshats. You don’t like the rate so you sue and bad mouth the banks. Then fuck off.

JC

28 Sep 12 at 7:53 pm
The President and Bibi are having a talk. That’s good.

Netanyahu, Romney to Speak Friday…

JC

28 Sep 12 at 7:56 pm
“Terrible I know. But true. Although I realise you have no reason whatsoever to believe this, and nor does anyone else. But I do. End of story.”

I believe you Lizzie, think I’ve been in that same sort of situation (I understand what you mean about ‘picking up shattered glass’),tho I was 16 when i escaped, but I never got a proper education. I didn’t even know there was even a Berlin wall until it came down!

candy

28 Sep 12 at 8:01 pm
I for one enjoy stories re ‘da hariy ape’ and associated goings on. It’s a simple joy.

Driftforge

28 Sep 12 at 8:02 pm
I didn’t even know there was even a Berlin wall until it came down!

Wow really? It sorta makes finding out it came down pretty redundant, no?

JC

28 Sep 12 at 8:05 pm
Jarrah has been bang on with regards to this topic.

Again I ask, who is this Jarrah you speak of?

[A broken clock is right twice a day, you better not comment any more for the day Jarrah]

Nanuestalker

28 Sep 12 at 8:08 pm
Sinc!!!!!

Liberty quote please

I second that!

Nanuestalker

28 Sep 12 at 8:11 pm
You don’t like this rule?

Not interested in that rule, JC, because it exists only in your head.

SteveC

28 Sep 12 at 8:12 pm
SteveC, you fucking moron, it’s a rule I’d like to see established you dishonest sex doll loving cretin.

JC

28 Sep 12 at 8:17 pm
I love this justification from a bit higher up, bolded as if it was le fusil encore fumant.

Child and human rights campaigners, as well as the International Labor Organization, welcomed the move as a landmark development in India’s child labor debate, though they admitted that enforcement would be a huge challenge.

So unions and other assorted lefty NGOs agree with lefty talking points, but admit that passing laws to accord with lefty talking points acheives nothing.

In other news, the Pope put on his funny hat today.

brc

28 Sep 12 at 8:17 pm
“Wow really? It sorta makes finding out it came down pretty redundant, no?”

true, it had no meaning to me at all at the time.

candy

28 Sep 12 at 8:25 pm
I’ve been busy this week trying to sell a family business.. talking to brokers and interested parties.
It’s really fun finding shit out about that universe.

We were talking numbers at the beginning of the week with the broker. Nothing was mentioned to define the number and the broker didn’t clarify. I was talking about net profit after tax and the broker was thinking I was talking about sales/turnover/revenue. It was cleared up today. Apparently in the business selling game the hardest thing for a broker to suss out is the EBITA (net profit) as everyone talks sales. This is pretty amazing to me because I can’t understand why anyone would give a flying toss about sales seeing you should only be interested in two things – EBITA and cash flow. Everything else is just small talk. I mean who would give a toss about sales if the business is breaking even or making a loss…. in fact you’d most likely want to reduce sales if everything that went out the door was a loss maker, right?

There a fucking idiot buyer (or so he claimed) who I told that he wasn’t getting it because he was a first rate dick. He looked mortified.

JC

28 Sep 12 at 8:27 pm
What is he taking? Have just watched video clip of Stephen Conroy addressing who ?? in New York, boasting to paraphrase – he has so much power, if he says you wear red underpants, you will do so. Seriously we have a loon, well now, an open loon, who is representing our country, words fail me. What drug is he on? We all know what the NBN is costing. Who was he addressing? School kids, was he doing a comedy sketch? I really despair after watching this stuff. AAah, delfino, go have a glass of vino.

delfino

28 Sep 12 at 8:27 pm
I for one enjoy stories re ‘da hariy ape’…

Being a ‘hairy ape’ myself I find these references de-humanizing. Why are people so unkind.

dover_beach

28 Sep 12 at 8:27 pm
In other news, the Pope put on his funny hat today.

And he looked magnificent.

dover_beach

28 Sep 12 at 8:29 pm
The President and Bibi are having a talk. That’s good.

Netanyahu, Romney to Speak Friday…

One of the reasons that Obumma refused to meet other leaders is that then Romney could then also meet with them – and thus appear presidential.

Think of Opposition leader Rudd meeting leaders in Sydney just before the election of the international forum Howard hosted

JamesK

28 Sep 12 at 8:29 pm
Bloody hell – we (me and and my friends) used to hunt and kill them several decades ago, for the sheer bloody enjoyment of it, just as we used to torture funnel webs back in the seventies in our pre-teens.

What a soft, pathetic country we’ve become.

After WW2 my Grandfather brought a sword that he had “liberated” off a Japanese officer home to the farm.

The blade on it is a mess as over the years my grandmother regularly used it to chop snakes in half around the house.

This, of course, was back when Australia was awesome.

twostix

28 Sep 12 at 8:30 pm
Who was he addressing?

Columbia University. Seriously.

How embarrassing for the nation.

When the Libs get back in soon they need to hunt down the public servant that organized Benito Conroy’s speaking gig and fire his or her fucking arse.

In fact I was the lib that would be a second order priority.

JC

28 Sep 12 at 8:31 pm
Lol.. Wow the toe sucker ploughs on like a German WW2 Tiger tank. He’s absolutely unfazed.

Romney Pulls Ahead
By Dick Morris

JC

28 Sep 12 at 8:37 pm
I’d be shocked if all that mattered wasn’t NOPAT, cashflow, and growth in net equity (perhaps a margin of safety with leverage)…always assuming you get a decent ROE/IRR – and of course you make your profit when you buy, not when you sell.

I suggest you sell it to the stupid dickhead rather than the pleasant, lowballing opportunist.

He’s a dickhead. Take his fucking money you big mary! CLOSE!

Dot’s sales class:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QM2wxoWT0o

You can clue me up on the WOW sale of DSE to that Canuck PE mob too JC.

I think the WOW shareholders have been had. Chunk said there may be a conflict of interest. Someone else said WOW were inept. I think they both may be right.

.

28 Sep 12 at 8:37 pm
The trawler debacle, preventing an MP from a friendly democracy from speaking here, and now Conroy telling people at Columbia University about his power to make people wear red underpants on their heads.

The rest of the world must think that Mugabe’s less talented family members have taken over here.

johanna

28 Sep 12 at 8:38 pm
I think we should refer to Conroy as “Jeffrey” from here on in, as in “Wash your hands, Jeffrey. With the soap, Jeffrey” given that instructive story told by Sheehan.

dover_beach

28 Sep 12 at 8:39 pm
Hello, Pizza.

blogstrop

28 Sep 12 at 8:41 pm
Pizza The Hut.

blogstrop

28 Sep 12 at 8:42 pm
It’s illegal to kill even the deadliest of snakes in Australia.

Ahahahahahahahaha.

Sure, sure.

C.L.

28 Sep 12 at 8:43 pm
The native leftists are getting very restless.

Usually this means something’s going bad for them. What ails you leftists? Obama’s shockingly bad handling of the middle east which will allow Romney to romp it home?

Gillard and Swans 20 billion dollar budget blowout? Gillard and Swan threatening to tax super to fix their insane spending ensuring Labor is pulverized? Conroy’s gaffes? Tony “terminator” Abbott’s relentlessly good polling in the face of the worst smear campaign in decades?

What is it?

twostix

28 Sep 12 at 8:45 pm
JC,

How is the trolling of ALP pollies going on twitter?

The corrupt, inept, gormless fuckers deserve it.

.

28 Sep 12 at 8:45 pm
We were talking numbers at the beginning of the week with the broker. Nothing was mentioned to define the number and the broker didn’t clarify. I was talking about net profit after tax and the broker was thinking I was talking about sales/turnover/revenue. It was cleared up today. Apparently in the business selling game the hardest thing for a broker to suss out is the EBITA (net profit) as everyone talks sales. This is pretty amazing to me because I can’t understand why anyone would give a flying toss about sales seeing you should only be interested in two things – EBITA and cash flow. Everything else is just small talk. I mean who would give a toss about sales if the business is breaking even or making a loss…. in fact you’d most likely want to reduce sales if everything that went out the door was a loss maker, right?

Most small businesses are sold at about 10 times sales plus “stock-at-value”. It a general rule as much of the profit is “off book”.

Listed and more substantial companies involve a more through due diligence and risk analysis, where things like EBIT become important.

There is still many other factors to consider. The Woolies purchase of DSE has always baffled me, and I recently came across the case of a major shipping line potential purchase of a container company that made no sense whatsoever.

Will

28 Sep 12 at 8:46 pm
Being a ‘hairy ape’ myself I find these references de-humanizing. Why are people so unkind.

I’m not very hairy at all, but according to 23andMe, I have 3.1% Neanderthal DNA (which puts me in the 98th percentile).

I do enjoy the hairy ape stories BTW.

Dangph

28 Sep 12 at 8:53 pm
Funny thing is Abbott is for protection for workers, income support for mothers, and is, in general, a big government kinda guy.

So I see you’ve made it to the acceptance phase now.

Good for you.

twostix

28 Sep 12 at 8:54 pm
Who the hell is this Scott? He’s the one who at 68 has decided he’s standing again in Maranoa and (as Dennis Shanahan has it in The Australian) has precipitated a “decent” decision by Barnaby not to force further strains on the coalition in a pre-elecion period.

blogstrop

28 Sep 12 at 9:01 pm
The public service (state and federal) all have their “social security cases” that turn up for work but do nothing much of importance.
We have SfB, SteveC, febro and sundry others.

blogstrop

28 Sep 12 at 9:05 pm
JC,

How is the trolling of ALP pollies going on twitter?

The corrupt, inept, gormless fuckers deserve it.

I’ve been forgetting to harangue and harass them, Dot. I reckon that one time singing Emo was talking about generalized rudeness and assorted stuff on social network sites, he may have had my comment in mind. He made some seriously stupid and tasteless comment and I twitted him that it was as tasteless as getting his leg over the Lying Slapper. I forget his intro. He blew a fuse.

I wish I could be in parliament because I’d be freaking ruthless with them… male, female or Emily’s lister. But I couldn’t trust myself not to bodily attack asshats like Shane Wand. I’d make his miserable life miserabler. Fuck I despise that little prick.

JC

28 Sep 12 at 9:09 pm
Read it and weep.

9:02PM Friday Sep 28, 2012

smh.com.au

Govt debt tops $250 bln for first time

Date
September 28, 2012 – 5:40PM

AAP

The federal opposition warns the Labor government has made the economy vulnerable after the amount of commonwealth debt on issue topped $250 billion for the first time in the nation’s history.

The latest $500 million bond sale on Friday by the government’s debt manager, the Australian Office of Financial Management, lifted total securities on issue to $250.1 billion.

In the May budget, Treasury forecast gross debt to be below $250 billion at the end of each of the next few financial years.

But in order to manage the “within year” financial task, the government legislated to allow the country’s debt ceiling to be raised from $250 billion to $300 billion.
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“Labor’s growth in debt is extraordinary given that we have been blessed with a mining boom which has delivered the best terms of trade in more than 150 years,” shadow finance minister Andrew Robb said in a statement.

“This government has wasted the mining boom.”

He said annual interest payments alone on borrowings are a staggering $12 billion.

“Labor’s debt and continued reckless spending leaves our economy extremely vulnerable to the storm clouds which are gathering over commodity prices.”

johanna

28 Sep 12 at 9:10 pm
Another one for the “you couldn’t make it up” file.

THE Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) has rapped television watchdog Media Watch over the knuckles for breaching the ABC’s code of practice.

Poor Old Rafe

28 Sep 12 at 9:10 pm
The ABC’s rules: “… where allegations are made about a person, the ABC is obliged to make reasonable efforts to provide a fair opportunity for that person to respond.”
Yeah, right. In a live, “gotcha” interview, or a “how dare you rat on your party and defile your superannuation” question.

blogstrop

28 Sep 12 at 9:21 pm
Howzat gonna work out Liberals?

He’s infinitely more competent than the idiots you’re licking arse for, so we can live with it.

perturbed

28 Sep 12 at 9:55 pm
Funny thing is Abbott is for protection for workers, income support for mothers, and is, in general, a big government kinda guy.

Howzat gonna work out Liberals?

You are going to do some charity work in remote aboriginal communities this weekend?

No, you will sit on your cosseted arse and pontificate. Middle class fuckwit.

Lazlo

28 Sep 12 at 10:07 pm
THE Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) has rapped television watchdog Media Watch over the knuckles for breaching the ABC’s code of practice.

You do know that blankets will get his 11 researchers who get 3 months off a year to help him to spend 15 minutes discounting the pathetic apology he gave today.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 10:16 pm
I’ve been forgetting to harangue and harass them, Dot. I reckon that one time singing Emo was talking about generalized rudeness and assorted stuff on social network sites, he may have had my comment in mind.

I quite enjoyed harassing lefties during the muzzo riots. They couldn’t help themselves and had to blame Abbott.

My favourite was giving a serve to Rudd’s senior policy adviser/Playschool Host who has a real potty mouth.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 10:19 pm
I was a bit surprised in a recent prowl around the net to find that Eugene O’Neill had written an expressionist play called The Hairy Ape, about an Irish boiler stoker and his efforts to try and fit into da New World. It is still quite widely studied apparently in American universities. So all you other ‘hairy apes’ out there should be out and proud. There is a high canon tradition. You belong.

The storyline is a bit crap though.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

28 Sep 12 at 10:20 pm
Ann Coulter on the View

You gotta hand it to our friend Ann Coulter. She’s willing to go just about anywhere to get her message out (and promote her latest book, Mugged: Racial Demagoguery from the Seventies to Obama). Today, she went deep, deep behind enemy lines: the almost all blue and politically inane territory more popularly known as The View. Watch below as she takes Whoopi Goldberg way out of her comfort zone and forces Barbara Walters — TV’s Matron Saint– to practically take the vapors. Ann, you go girl.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 10:23 pm
The Hairy Ape stories are such a charming diversion Lizzie, thanks for sharing them.

Token

28 Sep 12 at 10:29 pm
I wish I could be in parliament because I’d be freaking ruthless with them… male, female or Emily’s lister. But I couldn’t trust myself not to bodily attack asshats like Shane Wand. I’d make his miserable life miserabler. Fuck I despise that little prick

Did you see his comment recently where he said the biggest threat to the world economy is the Republicans in congress?

I don’t know why Abbott did censure the idiot in parliament since they control the House, will eventually control the Senate, and increasingly likely the White House soon. Considering that Rudd did that to Howard after what he said about Obama in 2007….

Alex Pundit

28 Sep 12 at 10:30 pm
Wow! Steve from Brisbane sure is frantic and angry. His husband must have balled him out after finding none of the housework done today.

Infidel Tiger

28 Sep 12 at 10:42 pm
Hey Candy, hope I catch you before the dawning of a bright new thread. I’ve been telling you for a while now that I’ve been thinking you are something of a clever cookie, especially when it comes to matters that life teaches rather than those that universities teach (after all, who knows things they’ve never studied or been introduced to?). This difference between formal and otherwise acquired education has, interestingly, been something of a topic on this thread. I’m glad you’ve found the Cat (it’s education the fun way) and that we can meet here. Neither of us are bitter people, which I think is something we deserve credit for. Not asking for it though, so no bouquets thanks. Too embarrassing. Just sharing with Candy.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

28 Sep 12 at 10:51 pm
Ta token, da Hairy Irish Ape is no invention btw. Couldn’t invent him. Just don’t mind sharing him, because he’s unique, special and very much around, so if I’m writing something he’s somehow in the picture.

He’s looking at choirboys on the net, right now.

Nothing salacious. He was in a very famous choir himself and is revisiting old memories, finding recordings in which actually sang. Keeps banging his head with his hand – Oi, Jaesus, that’s him, we called him Poggy, lovely guy, sang with him, wonderful, bel canto, perfect singing. Look Lizzie, there’s the great gate, the great Norman gate.

I look, admire, love.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

28 Sep 12 at 11:13 pm
Did you see his comment recently where he said the biggest threat to the world economy is the Republicans in congress?

Yea i did. He just so pathetic as a human being let alone treasurer. I honestly don’t know how his mother kept him.

JC

28 Sep 12 at 11:28 pm
But it has to be said – I’ve been wanting to say it here for so long – Catallaxy has the largest collection of obnoxious, immature, misogynistic, unreasonable, dishonest, disingenuous, lazy, dumb, gullible, un-insightful, self absorbed, uncharitable, childish, abusive, detached from reality, unpleasant, unscientific, selfish, tribal, repetitive, hypocritical, pedantic, tedious, psychologically unbalanced, and flat out wrong collection of commenters in all of the Australian blogosphere.

Only when you and your mates are here.

kae

29 Sep 12 at 10:27 pm

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