Open Forum: September 29, 2012 at Catallaxy Files

Open Forum: September 29, 2012

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September 29th, 2012 at 12:01 am

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Hey there

Rabz

29 Sep 12 at 12:02 am
Don’t tell me I’m first.

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 12:02 am
You’re not first.

Rabz

29 Sep 12 at 12:03 am
The original Bourne film was good to re-watch despite the ads.

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 12:03 am
What’s on second?

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 12:04 am
Matt Damon!!!

Rabz

29 Sep 12 at 12:06 am
frist?

Antipodean

29 Sep 12 at 12:06 am
new taxes on super, any bets on a death tax? the final refuge of the bankrupt socialist.

Antipodean

29 Sep 12 at 12:08 am
Charles Krauthammer, Wa-Po: Go large, Mitt

Romney has accumulated tons of cash for 30-second ads. But unless they’re placed on the scaffolding of serious speeches making the larger argument, they will be treated as nothing more than tit for tat.

Make the case. Go large. About a foreign policy in ruins. About an archaic, 20th-century welfare state model that guarantees 21st-century insolvency. And about an alternate vision of an unapologetically assertive America abroad unafraid of fundamental structural change at home.

It might just work. And it’s not too late.

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 12:08 am
any bets on a death tax?

FFS – how much longer have these idiots got?

It’s all over – there will be no death tax under a grubment dullard leads.

Rabz

29 Sep 12 at 12:12 am
WSJ: As Good As It Gets?
Growth of 1.7% isn’t what Team Obama promised four years ago.

Bob Schieffer: “The fact is, unemployment is up. It is higher than when [President Obama] came to office, the economy is still in the dump. Some people say that is reason enough to make a change.”

Bill Clinton: “It is if you believe that we could have been fully healed in four years. I don’t know a single serious economist who believes that as much damage as we had could have been healed.”

CBS’s “Face the Nation,” September 23, 2012

Well, let’s see. We can think of several serious people who said we could heal the economy in four years. There’s Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Christina Romer, Jared Bernstein, Mark Zandi, and, most importantly, President Obama himself.

Mr. Obama told Americans in 2009 that if he did not turn around the economy in three years his Presidency would be “a one-term proposition.” Joe Biden said three years ago that the $830 billion economic stimulus was working beyond his “wildest dreams” and he famously promised several months after the Obama stimulus was enacted that Americans would enjoy a “summer of recovery.” That was more than three years ago.

In early 2009 soon-to-be White House economists Ms. Romer and Mr. Bernstein promised Congress that the stimulus would hold the unemployment rate below 7% and that by now it would be 5.6%. Instead the rate is 8.1%. The latest Census Bureau report says there are nearly seven million fewer full-time, year-round workers today than in 2007. The labor participation rate is the lowest since 1981.

So it has gone with nearly every prediction the President has made about where the economy would be today. Mr. Obama promised that the deficit would be cut in half in four years, but the fiscal 2012 deficit (estimated to be above $1 trillion) will be twice the 2008 deficit ($458 billion).

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 12:13 am
Obama’s Approval Rating Mirrors 2010

For all of the wishful thinking in the mainstream press about President Obama’s positioning 40 days before this election, Obama’s approval rating looks remarkably similar to what it was on this date in 2010 — shortly before his party lost a historic 63 House seats and 6 Senate seats. On September 27, 2010 — exactly two years ago — Rasmussen Reports showed Obama’s net approval rating among likely voters to be minus-3 percentage points (with 48 percent approving and 51 percent disapproving). Among those who felt “strongly,” Obama’s net approval rating was minus-14 points (with 27 percent “strongly” approving and 41 percent “strongly” disapproving).

Today, Rasmussen Reports shows Obama’s net approval rating among likely voters to be minus-3 points (with 48 percent approving and 51 percent disapproving). Among those who feel “strongly,” Obama’s net approval rating is minus-14 points (with 28 percent “strongly” approving and 42 percent “strongly” disapproving). So, two years after the biggest Republican gains in the House since before World War II, Americans remain every bit as unimpressed with the way Obama is handling his job as president as they were then.

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 12:15 am
FFS – how much longer have these idiots got?

Rabz, you can’t start an ALP fire without a green spark. These pricks are just dancin’ in the dark…

Skuter

29 Sep 12 at 12:18 am
2001 Obama WBEZ Interview Redistribution Wealth Warren Court

If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court. I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people, so that now I would have the right to vote. I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order as long as I could pay for it Id be o.k. But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasnt that radical. It didnt break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states cant do to you. Says what the Federal government cant do to you, but doesnt say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf, and that hasnt shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused I think there was a tendancy to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that.

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 12:20 am
Anti-semite Obama administration boycotted speech.

Obama’s ambassador to the UN Susan Rice also blew off Netanyahu’s speech.

She went to lunch with Hillary and some other officials instead.

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 12:21 am
Barack Hussein Obama’s America:

California Man Behind Anti-Muslim Film Ordered Jailed.

Left-wing Time notices what it calls a “wrinkle.”

The hearing had an unusual wrinkle as the news media were banned from the courtroom, and reporters had to watch the proceedings on a TV in a different courthouse a couple blocks away. Court officials didn’t give a reason for the decision.

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 12:24 am
Obama’s Recovery Is A Sham, And The Numbers Show It

Economy: As President Obama touts his “New Economic Patriotism” (see below), fresh data show just how badly his policies have failed. The old saying “patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels” also applies to the economy.

The final revision for the second quarter is in, and it isn’t pretty: GDP grew at a yearly rate of just 1.3%, not 1.7% as earlier estimated. Worse, durable goods orders plunged 13.2% in August, the biggest drop since the recession and an ominous sign the second half will be just as bad.

Pundits and economists have noted recently the economy is in danger of slipping back into recession. But they miss the point: It already is in recession. GDP growth of 1.6% in the first half of 2012 was abysmal, coming as it does more than two years after the recession officially ended in June 2009.

Economists broadly agree that to create jobs and raise standards of living, GDP must grow at a minimum of 2.5% or so. If the economy expands less than that for a prolonged period, it’s a “growth recession.” That’s exactly where we are today.

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 12:24 am
France taxes rich and business to slash deficit

To the dismay of business leaders who fear an exodus of top talent, the government confirmed a temporary 75 percent super-tax rate for earnings over one million euros and a new 45 percent band for revenues over 150,000 euros.

Together, those two measures are predicted to bring in around half a billion euros. Higher tax rates on dividends and other investments, plus cuts to existing tax breaks are seen bringing in several billion more.

Business will be hit with measures including a cut in the amount of loan interest which is tax-deductible and the cutting of an existing tax break on capital gains from certain share sales – moves worth around four billion and two billion euros each.

“The government is impeding investment and so will block innovation,” Entrepreneurs Club head Guillaume Cairou said of the preference for raising taxes rather than cutting spending.

“France is sick because of the model it has … but is choosing to preserve it.”

Four months after he defeated Nicolas Sarkozy, Hollande’s approval ratings are in free-fall as many French feel he has been slow to get to grips with the economic slow-down and unemployment at a 10-year high and rising.

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 12:28 am
Fox News poll: 79 percent say all Americans should pay income taxes

A large majority of likely voters believes all Americans should pay some federal income tax — even if it is as little as one percent of what they make.

Seventy-nine percent say everyone should pay something, according to a Fox News poll released Thursday. That includes 85 percent of Republicans, 83 percent of independents and 71 percent of Democrats.

According to the IRS, last year approximately 41 percent of tax filers did not pay federal income tax. The Tax Policy Center estimates that will increase to 46 percent this year.

Most voters (73 percent) are at least somewhat familiar with the widely-broadcast videotape of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney talking about “47 percent of Americans” and the number of people paying no federal income tax. Romney also talks about his concern that the country is becoming an entitlement society and that many are too dependent on government. Journalists and pundits speculated the tape would damage Romney’s campaign. Yet a 63-percent majority thinks the substance of Romney’s comment about dependence on government is mostly (36 percent) or somewhat true (27 percent).

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 12:31 am
These pricks are just dancin’ in the dark…

While their beds are burning – and no – I’m not going to link to f*cking lurch.

That stupid, stupid, twat.

Rabz

29 Sep 12 at 12:40 am
Lefties respond to Obama’s arrest of film-maker and banning of media from court proceedings…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9peZ5WOtL0

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 12:48 am
Mike Huckabee is exactly right:

“We’ve been lied to. We’ve been flat out lied to. It’s as if airplanes crashing into the World Trade Center and someone said those were just accidents they veered off course. Everyone with two eyes and an IQ above plant life understands that what happened in Egypt and what happened in Libya was not some spontaneous reaction to some stupid 13 minute video on YouTube. It was a planned, coordinated, orchestrated attack led by terrorists. Terrorists…

…And I think frankly if this issue gets the traction it deserves. Let’s go back. Richard Nixon was forced out of office because he lied. And because he covered some stuff up. I’m going to blunt and tell you this. Nobody died in Watergate. We have some people who are dead because of this. And there are some questions that should be answered and Americans ought to demand to get answers.”

You’d think journalists would be mad-keen to bring down a president over this.

I wonder why they’re not.

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 12:54 am
http://m.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/change-super-at-our-peril-says-bill-kelty/story-fn59niix-1226483820479

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/paul-howes-says-martin-ferguson-undermining-julia-gillard/story-e6frg6n6-1226483223658

Unbelievable…the ALP is trashing their own legacy of governments past and attacking the only people who actually care about their movement long-term.

Well, all I can say is fuck you into oblivion you cunts…20 bucks says Howesey is positioning for ACTU secretary or an ALP seat…

Skuter

29 Sep 12 at 1:23 am
MODERATION??? WTF!!!???

Skuter

29 Sep 12 at 1:25 am
U must have used a naughty word. Try again and break it up.

Cato the Elder

29 Sep 12 at 1:39 am
Seems SBY blew off Gillard, as I thought when I saw her pathetic, childish, point scoring, photo op with his FM in New York. Nice try Gillard, but leaders meet their peers, not their peers’ subordinates.

CC

29 Sep 12 at 2:08 am
On the France thing, if you want to get inside the mind of that effwit Poiter Fitzbandanna you should know that he spent those years playing rugby in Brive, department of Correze, which is where Hollande comes from, actually, well, the town of Tulle which is the capital of the department. Massive socialist movement down that way. I believe Chirac lived around there as well.

They just can’t get it through their heads that the ideology is redundant.

Dan

29 Sep 12 at 4:54 am
You’d think journalists would be mad-keen to bring down a president over this.

I wonder why they’re not.

Is it because he’s be black?

Dan

29 Sep 12 at 5:00 am
Dan,

The French and most of the Eurotrash are terminally stupid. They are lazy, greedy, selfish people who don’t care what they do to their kids, their country, their culture – anything. They are the most disgusting generation of degenerate people ever to walk on European soil. Unfortunately many in Australia suffer from the same delusion.

The central planning idiocy, eternal debt financing, big government, high taxing and permanent welfare agenda are a toxic mix that only the truly moronic can embrace. Because the Eurotrash are so terminally stupid, they will end themselves in a frenzy in the typical, bloody Euro way.

Their living standards are finally being destroyed by their bitter clinging to some failed utopian Left wing dream. Oh, by the way, did I mention that they love Obama?

John Comnenus

29 Sep 12 at 5:20 am
Their living standards are finally being destroyed by their bitter clinging to some failed utopian Left wing dream. Oh, by the way, did I mention that they love Obama?

I don’t think it’s any coincidence that people who don’t like America very much seem to like Obama. In fact, I found that with people I’ve spoken to who aren’t very politically minded at all. They don’t like America, but like Obama….

Alex Pundit

29 Sep 12 at 6:09 am
Has anyone ever compiled data on which universities our present lefty-luvvie ‘journalists’ were educated? Their lack of objectivity and their seeming inability to see that they are biased is incredible. How much longer do we need to put up with no scrutiny of any left wing politician’s behaviour, history, voting record etc?

I am so sick of being given the interviewer’s opinions about issues rather than an objective analysis of the issue. Generally it is an agressive harassment of the interviewee a la Leigh Sales rather than letting the person answer a question thoughtfully and calmly.

Old woman of the north

29 Sep 12 at 6:32 am
Full version of the You Only Run Twice Obama video. Pure gold.

Operation Hot Mic

Zatara

29 Sep 12 at 6:44 am
Bolt draws attention to Paul McGeough (McGoo!) today, who has produced something worthy of the worst leftist apologist for Middle-east terrorist takeover merchants while bagging the west for …. Giving them a lot … No, an obscene amount … of money for many years? It’s worthy of Pilger!
Partial quote:

After decades of happily making the rights and aspirations of ordinary Arabs subservient to global demands for energy and ‘’stability’’…

We should now respect their democratically elected leaders.

Blogstrop

29 Sep 12 at 6:46 am
Yeh Old Woman, I thought Bond Uni journo school would claw back the biased difference.
I was wrong.

jumpnmcar

29 Sep 12 at 6:48 am
John-if you want to read a great book about what happened to the West and appreciate what dirigisme does to a country I highly recommend Jean-Francois Revel’s Last Exit to Utopia.

His insights on Marxism and what it did to the French mentality are also wonderful. Too often in the US and Australia and Canada we are dealing with Marxist political theory hiding under another name. The assumption is that without the M label no one will recognize that all the fundamental tenets are there. In France the Marxists did not pretend about what motivated their recommended policies so Revel’s work is a good way to learn what to look out for. Label or not.

Robin

29 Sep 12 at 6:49 am
Did anyone suspect that Obama’s sole hope for victory would rest on trying to suppress the vote of his opponent with naked media bias and polling?

The polls allege Obama is ahead by 10% in Ohio (or should I use the Hawaiian spelling, “Oiho”) — a mining state — where part of the economy depends on King Coal and the money it brings in. This is the man who, through his agents at the EPA, has singlehandedly destroyed the coal industry in America.

He is said to be ahead by 12% in Pennsylvania — also a mining state, and home of the Marcellus Shale natural gas field. Yet even the uninformed know that under Barack Obama there will be no drilling for oil, mining coal, or building nuclear power plants. And probably in a second term, the EPA will shut down fracking, which means no natural gas either.

Yeah…he’s way ahead.

In Florida, he is leading by 9%. It is beyond belief that the state, with its large population of seniors and Jews, is going to vote overwhelmingly for the man whose signature legislation, ObamaCare, decimates Medicare and who has marginalized and insulted Israel repeatedly during his entire term. Remember, he had time for Whoopi, but not for Netanyahu.

Obama is going to lose in a landslide. And Barack Obama, the media, and the polling organizations will be appropriately shocked.

American Thinker

One can hope for change.

Rudiau

29 Sep 12 at 7:19 am
This is the worst government in the country’s history without doubt.
If nothing else, the Whitlam Government was entertaining.

manalive

29 Sep 12 at 7:42 am
Fighting Words: NYC Bans All Speech Which Might Insult The Prophet of Islam

I also cannot think of a more effective recruiting tool for the more bloody-minded, intolerant strain of Islam.

If you were a Muslim, choosing between a more moderate form of Islam that accepted the ideals of pluralism, freedom, and secular (not religious) rule, and the bloody-minded sort that proclaimed Sharia for all, and those who insult The Prophet shall be beheaded…

…which of the two forms do you see the world’s governments bowing down to?

One thing religions tend not to have is tangible, real-world proof that they’re the One True Religion.

But when the governments of all the world bow down to one form of Islam (and not the other)… Well. That is at least a demonstration that one form has real power, an undeniable ability to make nonbelievers and opponents kneel and bow with respect.

We might as well just start putting up ads that say, frankly, “The Salafist, violent, close-minded, intolerant form of Islam is the True Form of Islam.”

Because that’s what our actions are saying.

Irony: Pam Gellar’s ad is “demeaning,” it is asserted, because it implies that violent, intolerant Salafists are “savage.” Her ad states something like, “In a struggle between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.”

Now, the MTA says she can’t run that ad because some people will be unable to restrain themselves from committing acts of violence and mayhem.

Which people?

The savages?

Bear in mind that Pam Gellar has already won a court case allowing her to put up the subway posters.

Rudiau

29 Sep 12 at 7:44 am
The entire point of the American Thinker article linked to by Rudiau seems to be “it is inconceivable that Obama could win, therefore he won’t. Ergo, all polling that contradicts this is wrong.”

I know such thinking works very well here; it’s related to the similar presumptive “thinking” about climate change.

Meanwhile, in the real world, outside the reality challenged echo chamber, Romney is going to lose, and for good reasons; most of them outlined so well by Clinton at his democrat convention speech.

Steve from brisbane

29 Sep 12 at 8:21 am
Ergo, all polling that contradicts this is wrong.

Succinctly put moron.

Rudiau

29 Sep 12 at 8:48 am
On the French ‘super tax’ – oh, to be a real estate agent in Luxembourg or Monaco.

brc

29 Sep 12 at 8:49 am
How many media companies and polling organisations will fatally damage themselves as a result of their use of skewed polls?:

The mainstream media-commissioned polls have been far more skewed this election season than most in the past. Typically, many polls would be a little skewed to the Democrats during August and September (remember all those summer leads for Democrats that seemed to evaporate to Republican leads in October?) and then they would switch to surveying likely voters and tone down the skewing in time to report reasonably accurate results by some time in October. But it might be a tall challenge for these pollsters to clean up their act this year, given how far they’ve been skewed in their polls. For the sake of their credibility, I don’t see how they can keep skewing as heavily as they have, yet I also don’t see how they can change their ways too much too soon without risking the repudiation of their earlier polls during this election season.

Tom

29 Sep 12 at 8:53 am
I almost forgot. Also from the above article:

The latest UnSkewed Average of polls at UnSkewedPolls.com shows Mitt Romney leading by 7.8 percent while the latest QStarNews Daily Tracking poll released today shows Romney leading over Obama by a 52 percent to 46 percent. Many of the polls commissioned by mainstream media outlets have been quite skewed, including the series of swing state polls released today by CBS/New York Times/Quinnipiac University. The question is will these pollsters keep skewing their polls to this degree, or perhaps a lesser degree, as we get closer to the election.

Tom

29 Sep 12 at 9:04 am
http://www.thefreemanonline.org/

Was sent a link to this blog article:
http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/our-economic-past-the-great-horse-manure-crisis-of-1894/

Only one serious rebuttal out of127 comments.

Comments, please?

John A

29 Sep 12 at 9:08 am
Fuckwit inanity liar-steve™:

Meanwhile, in the real world, outside the reality challenged echo chamber, Romney is going to lose, and for good reasons

Meanwhile in the real world 5weeks+ from the election in a 3 day rolling average daily poll of likely voters nationwide:

Friday, September 28, 2012

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows President Obama attracting support from 47% of voters nationwide, while Mitt Romney earns the vote from 46%. Three percent (3%) prefer some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided. See daily tracking history.

Romney is supported by 86% of Republicans, while Obama gets the vote from 85% of Democrats. The GOP hopeful has a four-point edge among voters not affiliated with either major party.

When “leaners” are included, the race is tied at 48% apiece. Leaners are those who are initially uncommitted to the two leading candidates but lean towards one of them when asked a follow-up question

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 9:13 am
Dogshit is so clinically stupid he missed the key sentence in the American Thinker article:

The Obama campaign, and by “campaign” I mean members of the media and polling organizations, is trying to convince prospective Romney voters to believe that all is lost — in which case, they hope, we will stay home.

Tom

29 Sep 12 at 9:19 am
Meanwhile, in the real world, outside the reality challenged echo chamber…

Real World Steve predicted disaster for James Ashby, echoing Nicola Roxon and Bob Carr.

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 9:24 am
That’s right. Steve was a vocal supporter of Slipper’s right to sexually intimidate other men in the workplace. He wouldn’t hear a word against it and in fact considered it a restriction on his hard won freedoms.

Infidel Tiger

29 Sep 12 at 9:28 am
Victor Davis Hanson, Corner blog NRO: Non-Intelligence

Perhaps most worrisome were the loud declarations of the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, who insisted, in firing-before-aiming style, that the murders were not premeditated but were opportunistic attacks caused by the video. Clapper, remember, not long ago assured us the Muslim Brotherhood was “largely secular.” Earlier at a key juncture he had announced that Moammar Qaddafi would “prevail” over the rebels. And earlier this year, Clapper also asserted that Iran’s building a nuclear weapon within the next two years was not likely.

At some point, the director of national intelligence being wrong in assessments on most of the critical moments in the Middle East should matter.

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 9:29 am
Steve doesn’t want to talk about Ashby anymore. Can’t. Although he’ll probably come out in support of Roxon. The ALP are very lucky to have Steve arguing their cas.

Tiny Dancer

29 Sep 12 at 9:32 am
Biden promotes free colonoscopies to seniors in Florida.

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 9:34 am
Hilarious times. Bangbang invited Rudd to NY, said he’d even pay his expenses to go there to be on the panel of the World Leadership forum. Bangbang never did meet with Gillard, separate to the UN side forum, to discuss the appalling asylum seeker influx. Sure, there was a photo op becuase Gillard sat next to SBY but while SBY met separately with other leaders, one-on-one, no such meet was arranged with Gillard.

So Abbott called it right.

Gab

29 Sep 12 at 9:34 am
Gillard humiliated.

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 9:36 am
Hey, how come Steve hasn’t commented on the Ashby thread?

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 9:43 am
Fairfax humming along to oblivion!!!!!!!!!!!

http://au.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=FXJ.AX#symbol=fxj.ax;range=5d;compare=;indicator=volume;charttype=area;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

I think it was JC who said that Gina will get back in at about $0.20 AUD

Mike

Mike of Marion

29 Sep 12 at 9:56 am
I hope the next lot of polls show Gillard in the lead. Positive polls and the next budget, a Damocles sword with a date, will make it a guarantee. One week before the election Mr Abbott calls the press: “If Labor win the next election they will expand the carbon tax to capture fuel, beer, wine, cigarettes and imported cheese’s” Any denial should make for a wonderful advertisment for the Liberal party using Labor’s own words.

Holden

29 Sep 12 at 9:59 am
I predict the next lot of polls will show a slight bounce for Labor. It’s been the trend whenever Gilard leaves the country.

Gab

29 Sep 12 at 10:02 am
Holden @ 0959.

Our MSM wouldn’t report his (TA) comments!!!!!

Mike of Marion

29 Sep 12 at 10:04 am
Craig Emerson has some competition:

Australia’s biggest ever Twit, and proud on Twitter.

SHE tweets “good morning” when she wakes, “good night” when she goes to bed, and whatever’s on her mind once every 10 minutes in between, every day of the year.

Gab

29 Sep 12 at 10:16 am
I wonder if the Obumma biased US polls don’t work against the intent. With voting optional Democrat voters will lazily stay at home thinking it’s in the bag and Republican voter numbers will increase to help Romney.

Biota

29 Sep 12 at 10:21 am
U.S. Move to Give Egypt $450 Million in Aid Meets Resistance

The Obama administration notified Congress on Friday that it intends to give Egypt’s new government an emergency cash infusion of $450 million, but the move immediately encountered resistance from lawmakers wary of foreign aid in general and of Egypt’s new course under the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood.

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 10:24 am
ABC “reporter” prefaced a question:

“With these arrogant and baseless allegations that Iran is developing nuclear capabilities….”.

Gab

29 Sep 12 at 10:24 am
Putin gives Chavez ‘El Ruso’ the puppy

AFP – Vladimir Putin has sent a Black Russian Terrier puppy to his Venezuelan counterpart Hugo Chavez, who joked the Russian strongman would receive a capybara, the world’s largest rodent, in return.

The three-month-old puppy was given to Chavez by Igor Sechin, one of Putin’s most trusted lieutenants and chief executive of Rosneft, Russia’s largest oil company.

“I passed a message from Vladimir Vladimirovich — it’s a Black Russian Terrier. It’s three months old,” said Sechin during a visit to the energy-rich Latin American nation.

“He liked it very much,” Sechin said in quotes published by mass-circulation Komsomolskaya Pravda on Friday.

The Black Russian Terrier dog is the result of a cross-breeding experiment conducted in the Soviet Union in mid-50s-early 60s.

In the West, it is sometimes referred to as Stalin’s dog although the Soviet tyrant died before the animal was bred.

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 10:29 am
So stereotypically Labor.

SHE’S the national broadcaster’s glamorous newsreader, he’s the federal politician touted as a future leader – put them together and you have Australia’s newest power couple.
…
ABC news presenter Juanita Phillips and climate change minister Greg Combet…
…
Now both single – Phillips’ marriage to Mario Milostic broke down two years ago and Mr Combet’s relationship with fellow federal MP Melissa
Parke ended earlier this year.

Gab

29 Sep 12 at 10:31 am
Real World Steve predicted disaster for James Ashby, echoing Nicola Roxon and Bob Carr.

Real World Steve hysterically lectured and rebuffed us that Gillards criminal past was a “non story” and would never, ever see the light of day in the media.

Real World Steve sternly predicted that Abbott being elected leader would lead to the decimation of the Liberal party at the 2010 election.

Real World Steve is a wonderful anti-sage, whatever he predicts the opposite is guaranteed to come to pass, every time, all the time.

twostix

29 Sep 12 at 10:36 am
SHE’S the national broadcaster’s glamorous newsreader, he’s the federal politician touted as a future leader – put them together and you have Australia’s newest power couple.
…
ABC news presenter Juanita Phillips and climate change minister Greg Combet…
…
Now both single – Phillips’ marriage to Mario Milostic broke down two years ago and Mr Combet’s relationship with fellow federal MP Melissa
Parke ended earlier this year.

Who was the “vile rumour” about earlier in the year? The one that was viciously denounced as all lies?

twostix

29 Sep 12 at 10:44 am
Real World Steve is a wonderful anti-sage, whatever he predicts the opposite is guaranteed to come to pass, every time, all the time.

What !! SfB is Flannery??!

jumpnmcar

29 Sep 12 at 10:45 am
Gab,

this lot are so sick I’m beginning to wonder if they actively bed the press to gain influence – ie: prostitute themselves (in yet another way), or is it that the ABC are falling in love with their idols?

duncan

29 Sep 12 at 10:52 am
ABC news presenter Juanita Phillips and climate change minister Greg Combet…

Funny how ABC folks hook up with Labor MPs, huh?

No bias at the ABC, though. Move along.

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 10:53 am
She could do better.

.

29 Sep 12 at 10:59 am
Does Greg Combet ever smile?

candy

29 Sep 12 at 11:02 am
No doubt about it. Stevie knows his onions. Right every time. Housewife’s tip, Stevie: peel your onions under running water, you won’t burst into tears over them so often then.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Sep 12 at 11:04 am
He tried to once, Candy, but his face broke and his arse shattered like a cheap mug.

Tom

29 Sep 12 at 11:05 am
I’m guessing twitter user “JamesIsFierce” prefers the company of men?

.

29 Sep 12 at 11:06 am
Funny how ABC folks hook up with Labor MPs, huh?

No bias at the ABC, though. Move along.

No, no, CL, this will be interpreted as a “love conquers all” love-story.

dover_beach

29 Sep 12 at 11:09 am
Elizabeth, Dogshit — or Dumb As Dogshit, to give him his full title — is Chance the Gardener.

Tom

29 Sep 12 at 11:09 am
Does Greg Combet ever

Take his tie off?

Helen Armstrong

29 Sep 12 at 11:10 am
peel your onions under running water

Literalist that he is, our friend would probably suffer a near drowning experience in a rapidly flowing water course trying that tip.

lotocoti

29 Sep 12 at 11:15 am
The onion-peeler is scared of water. He bleats on about rising waters every day.

Gab

29 Sep 12 at 11:23 am
Lefties on twitter having fun with #OpRedUndies.

nilk

29 Sep 12 at 11:27 am
SHE twats “good morning” when she wakes, “good night” when she goes to bed, and whatever’s on her mind once every 10 minutes in between, every day of the year.

And more about the individual above:

Melbourne 28 year old who loves glee, katy perry and 1980s crooner bryan adams…

Why haven’t these people died of shame?

Rabz

29 Sep 12 at 11:29 am
No, no, CL, this will be interpreted as a “love conquers all” love-story.

FFS, how desperate are these ALPBC hags? zombet is a staggeringly ugly, lobotomised numpty who spouts utter shite 24/7.

Happy rooting, jaunita – lie back and think of rising sea levels!

Rabz

29 Sep 12 at 11:34 am
Rabz, shame died long ago.

nilk

29 Sep 12 at 11:34 am
@Candy: yes he does.

After a fashion.

nilk

29 Sep 12 at 11:36 am
Our troll herd reminds me more of this scene from Spaceballs:

blogstrop

29 Sep 12 at 11:37 am
Rabz at 11.34

They jump into a relationship to secure the rights to the parliamentary Suprerannuation benefits

Mike of Marion

29 Sep 12 at 11:39 am
Animals…more important than people

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/wa-to-kill-great-whites-before-they-attack/story-e6frfku9-1226482672726

This is, after all, a fish – let’s keep it in perspective.

LOL

.

29 Sep 12 at 11:43 am
nilk 11:36am

LOL, that’s a caption comp for certain.

jumpnmcar

29 Sep 12 at 11:47 am
After a fashion

Maybe he has really bad teeth?

Helen Armstrong

29 Sep 12 at 11:50 am
New poll: Romney overtakes Obama on terrorism

The foreign-policy results of the new Bloomberg National Poll haven’t gotten much attention yet, but the survey contains some bad news for the Obama campaign. According to the poll, Mitt Romney has a 48-42 advantage over Barack Obama on the question of which candidate would be tougher on terrorism. Romney, in other words, has encroached on one of Obama’s signature strengths.

What makes this result so surprising is that the president has consistently trounced Romney when it comes to counterterrorism. A Fox News poll earlier this month found that 49 percent of respondents trusted Obama to do a better job than Romney in protecting the United States from terrorist attacks, compared with 41 percent who put their faith in the Republican candidate. The president had a 51-40 advantage on handling terrorism in an ABC News/Washington Post poll around the same time, and a 50-35 edge on carrying out the war on terror in an Ipsos/Reuters poll in August. The Democrats’ rare national-security muscle was on full display at their convention, where speakers boasted about the administration’s successful raid against Osama bin Laden and targeted killings of al Qaeda leaders.

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 11:50 am
The huge flag flying over Parlaimentary House is tattered from the recent winds. Symbolic I would say.

Interestingly Roxon leapt to Slipper’s defence saying one is innocent until proven guilty in Australia. Except of course for industrial law where the employer is guilty until proven innocent under the Fair Work laws Gillard drafted. Talk about hoisted on you own petard! The irony is delicious. Hopefully Ashby goes Nanny Roxon for contempt and slander. Hopefully Nanny Roxon gets caught up the courts.

For what it’s worth I think Julia will call an election either on the Friday after the grand finals or, if she thinks she did well at the UN, after Australia gains a seat at the UN Security Council.

John Comnenus

29 Sep 12 at 11:59 am
WSJ: The Election Isn’t Over
Only fools and partisans(fuckwit inanity liar-steve™ on both counts) think Obama has it locked up.

The polls are volatile and close, and neither candidate has a lock on the Electoral College math. There is still time for the outside events to impact the race, the models with the best track record are split on who the winner will be, and the all-important debates are yet to come. To say that this race can go either way is an understatement, and those who say that the race is over are either partisan or foolish, or both(fuckwit inanity liar-steve™)

JamesK

29 Sep 12 at 12:03 pm
…and the all-important debates are yet to come.

I actually see the debates as Romney’s worst enemy. The media will ensure Obama ‘wins’ and that Romney commits ‘gaffes.’

Watch.

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 12:07 pm
Anyone know how I could donate to James Ashby and urge him to actually sue the idiot Roxon for her dreadful pronouncements about his case?
I find it galling that Cory Barnardi had to resign for speaking the truth that many people secretly thought, while she trashes the time honoured role of Attorney General with partisan comments while the case was subjudice and the detestable MSM has not even thrown one book at her!
As Bolta says, they have a much higher standard to which they hold conservatives, but I’ll add that their required standards for lefties to meet are under the floor!

Jazza

29 Sep 12 at 12:11 pm
Roxon has the most pissant resume for an Attorney-General imaginable. Associate to affirmative action judge, Mary Gaudron, and then some kind of lawyer at one of those industrial-sized Labor ambulance-chasing firms. She’s an embarrassment to the country.

Meanwhile, Craig Emerson (formerly the prime minister’s bed partner) dances in the parliamentary quadrangle, the retarded Stephen Conroy declares he is so all powerful that he can order the population to wear red underpants on their heads, and Julia Gillard strolls around Ground Zero with her unemployed hairdresser boyfriend.

12,000 morons kicked out Howard and Costello for this circus.

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 12:21 pm
Good to see jo Nova’s site back after the recent vicious hacking by those who would silence disagreement and shining the light on the climate warmening extortion. The steve trolls will be upset.

Gab

29 Sep 12 at 12:25 pm
DRUDGE lead: Obama to give another half a billion dollars to Muslim Brotherhood.

Do people still think Bird is out of line re the Kenyan Islamist?

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 12:26 pm
Patriots.

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 12:28 pm
“So stereotypically Labor.

SHE’S the national broadcaster’s glamorous newsreader, he’s the federal politician touted as a future leader – put them together and you have Australia’s newest power couple.”

Never heard of her Gab, truly, or seen her.

Mind you, whenever I go for a casual, random, unposed walk with the Goddess Ryan along the Broadwater I always – always – focus group the tie question beforehand.

1. Should I wear the tie with:
a) the top button undone
b) the sleeves up to the elbow
c) the sleeves up to the biceps
d) the sleeves not up but down

2. It’s a weekday. Should I wear the coat?

3. If yes to 2., … the cream, the bone, the white, the off-white, the ivory or the beige?

Only after I’ve resolved these isssssues do I ring the Gold Coast news photographer.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

29 Sep 12 at 12:30 pm
Via Media Watch Dog in mocking honour of the leftist love-in called the Festival of Dangerous Ideas on at the moment:

▪ Abortion Is Murder

▪ If We All Become Gay, Western Civilisation Will End

▪ George W. Bush is America’s Greatest President and Tony Blair is Britain’s Greatest Prime Minister

▪ If The Arab States Were As Good as Israel, The Middle East Would Be A Better Place

▪ Julian Assange Should Stand Trial For Treason In the United States

▪ Germaine Greer Has Become A Dreadfully Boring Media Tart

▪ Only Re-Colonisation Can Solve Africa’s Problems

▪ Private Schools Are Best

▪ Human Induced Climate Change Is A Load Of Crap

▪ Greed Is Good

▪ Vietnam Was a Just War

http://www.rightpulse.com/archives/37210

LOL

Ivan Denisovich

29 Sep 12 at 12:35 pm
HUMPHREYS went there a few years ago and told some of the grey army that the world was getting better and better and their pensions should be privatised.

.

29 Sep 12 at 12:49 pm
I think Julia will call an election either on the Friday after the grand finals or, if she thinks she did well at the UN, after Australia gains a seat at the UN Security Council.

John, I think there is a very strong chance that the current parliament will become only the second since federation to run full term. Writs must be issued in the coming week of next year. The poll bounce that was supposed to have happened looks to have lasted one week. The next scandal/crisis/fuckup will stomp on the zombie self-talk of a revival. They won’t go unless they think they can contain losses to a maximum of 30 seats — a disastrous loss, but not a wipeout. They’re currently still in wipeout territory. Keep an eye on the “undecideds” in the polling; they’re Coalition votes. IMO, they’ll keep waiting for deliverance that never comes until they are finally forced to act at the limit of the statute almost exactly a year from now. Unless, of course, a) there’s a terminal numbers fuckup b) Gillard unleashes her stupidity and opts for seppuku in an attempt to create posthumous heroine status and move her political grave away from Sir John Kerr’s.

Tom

29 Sep 12 at 12:52 pm
Great posts over at Bunyip’s – including:

IT USED TO BE said that doctors buried their mistakes…

Read on.

Hear bloody hear.

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 1:15 pm
Tom, they are all valid points, but Gillard and her team are cunning, not smart. When you add the lurking shadow of a Kevin Rudd take over, thus potentially casting her page as PM onto the ashes of history, will she be vicious enough to go to the polls just to deny him this chance?

Helen Armstrong

29 Sep 12 at 1:17 pm
Yes Helen, I think she will – or rather, would like to. One other factor here is the desire of many of those in Labor who will lose their seats to hang on to their parliamentary salaries and similar rewards for as long as possible; in particular, those with mortgages, kids at non-government schools, etc. I suspect the odds are that Rudd will be be back in, and Gillard warned off with mention of past matters, and future retribution.

rafiki

29 Sep 12 at 1:36 pm
Great posts over at Bunyip’s – including:

IT USED TO BE said that doctors buried their mistakes…

Just amazing how light sentencing does nothing but protect the crims.

Gab

29 Sep 12 at 1:38 pm
Some entertaining weekend reading:

This book is both humorous and informative. The theme is that Liberals want to take away what Americans enjoy. Included in his rundown are Walmart, Steakhouses, McDonalds, Flag Pins, Football, the V-8 Engine, Success, the Second Amendment, Freeways, the Military, and The Founding Fathers. The book starts off with Gallagher’s insightful description, “I learned that they spend a whole lot of time thinking about America’s faults, and how to correct them. About America’s ills, and how to cure them. Liberals love to hate things most Americans love, and spend the rest of their lives endlessly trying to take those things away from us.”

boy on a bike

29 Sep 12 at 1:39 pm
Australia made history this week as Tim Mathieson, became the first bloke in the 67-year history of the UN to attend the “first spouses” tea hosted by the wife of the UN General-Secretary. Thank god he didn’t take his other NY-based daughter, Zoo Weekly model Staci

We should be so proud.

Cold-Hands

29 Sep 12 at 1:47 pm
OK, can she call an election without seeking the endorsement of Cabinet? I thought it was the PM’s decision? In which case she will call it before she is dumped for Rudd. Can they change leader after the PM has called an election? I would think yes. But would they shift to Rudd with the corresponding poll bounce and saving of seats?

I guess it all comes down to how persuasive she is with in the party, and how pragmatic she is about her future as a politician or obscurity as the wife of a hairdresser.

There are more angles than mirrors in a crazy house at the local show.

Helen Armstrong

29 Sep 12 at 1:53 pm
Roxon has the most pissant resume for an Attorney-General imaginable. Associate to affirmative action judge, Mary Gaudron, and then some kind of lawyer at one of those industrial-sized Labor ambulance-chasing firms. She’s an embarrassment to the country.

She was at Maurice Blackburn and took over the AWU account when they quit Slater and Gordon. She failed to disclose this when commenting on Gillard’s AWU past. So she has obviously been schooled in the standard Lefty lawyer art of the cover up and would be well versed in Union corruption. This part of her CV makes her a perfect A-G for this corrupt, Union-run regime.

Cold-Hands

29 Sep 12 at 1:55 pm
A perfect weekend to release any dirty laundry that they know will come out eventualy.
Perhaps some aid funding to African UN voters or sumpin.
I know the eyes of the Cat will see it but noone else will.
As elen said, cunning.

jumpnmcar

29 Sep 12 at 2:13 pm
oops Helen with a H

jumpnmcar

29 Sep 12 at 2:14 pm
Gab, I hadn’t seen that article or been apprised of those facts.

I won’t comment on it, specifically.

I’m simply stunned.

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 2:24 pm
Gah that step daughter is the exact polar opposite of what I would think was an attractive woman.

As for Tim the First Gelding, I would have mumbled any excuses, feigned a stomach upset – anything but go along to that thing.

The guy has no shame. Call me cynical but somehow I just think he is for show.

brc

29 Sep 12 at 2:30 pm
It’s interesting the things one finds when reading through comments made on blogs such as the Professors.

Gab

29 Sep 12 at 2:32 pm
That article re Timmyy Mathiesons daughter in Zoo weekly She said if Julia posed naked for the mag she would look very beautiful.This is the end of the world type nightmare and if it came to I’d move to a foreign country.Probably Tasmania..

max49

29 Sep 12 at 2:39 pm
Cold Hands:

Thank god he didn’t take his other NY-based daughter, Zoo Weekly model Staci

We should be so proud.

Cripes. Put a warning on stuff like that FFS. A few suggestions: ‘Will cause projectile vomiting’ or ‘Flabby, butt-fugly bimbo alert’ or ‘Bogans ONLY’

I’d rather look at that hideous picture of bloody Roxon….

Mk50 of Brisbane

29 Sep 12 at 2:53 pm
LOL

max49

29 Sep 12 at 2:58 pm
His daughter looks very sophisticated, like a glamourous pop star. She looks really tall, can’t see the rest of her legs tho. The skirt is pretty short I think.

candy

29 Sep 12 at 3:02 pm
Go Swannies. Great 2nd Qtr

John Comnenus

29 Sep 12 at 3:50 pm
The skirt is pretty short I think.

Yep. And tight. A tad toooo shiny and tight, perhaps?

Yes, John C, ‘Great 2nd Qtr’, confirmed just then by Da Hairy Ape. I am trying to be ‘interested’, making lots of supportive questions, like ‘who is winning now?’ in tender tones, as if I really care. Apparently “Hawthorn have just fallen apart, they look like they’ve run out of puff”.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Sep 12 at 4:06 pm
He’s got up from his chair now and is ambling round and round the coffee table, trying to get different angles on the picture, as if he’s actually at the ground. Now he’s sat down again and got his hands on his head like a schoolboy, leaning backwards and forwards, offering little grunting encouragements. Hawthorn just scored I’m told but ‘didn’t deserve it, a very bad umpiring decison’, now it’s ‘yes!!’ for ‘a very good mark’. What’s a mark? I ask. Patiently he telle me, ‘when they catch it on the full like that’. Like what?

I know I am not very good at this.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Sep 12 at 4:19 pm
Massive hawks comeback…

This is not looking good…

Rabz

29 Sep 12 at 4:24 pm
Does anyone know why the Grand Final isn’t on Fox?

Rabz

29 Sep 12 at 4:25 pm
Lizzie, find another tv and watch the Ryder Cup.
It’s been brilliant. Woods is playing like M0nty with a hangover and Poulter is a man possessed.
Only 2-2 but Europe are my tip.

jumpnmcar

29 Sep 12 at 4:27 pm
‘Who are the hawks?’ I’m asking. “Hawthorn” he says.
Oh. Of course. Are they making a comback, I ask.
“They’ve hit the lead” I’m told. But suddently – ‘Now we’ve hit the front. It’s very close’.

Exciting!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Sep 12 at 4:29 pm
Jump. Ape says the Ryder Cup is golf. I’m even worse at that. I will keep on the net and play myself a few tunes there. Very quietly. He likes me around to share his fun, so I don’t want to leave the room anyway.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Sep 12 at 4:32 pm
Ape says the Ryder Cup is golf.

Then he would know that Rory McIlroy (an Irishman) is, at present. the best golfer in the world and about to kick USA arse.

jumpnmcar

29 Sep 12 at 4:40 pm
FFS, free to air TV sucks!

This is an outrage!

Rabz

29 Sep 12 at 4:41 pm
Oh dear, Swannies look like they’re going down…

Rabz

29 Sep 12 at 4:42 pm
Does anyone know why the Grand Final isn’t on Fox?

Keating, basically.

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2012/08/29/1226460/958292-120830-strewth.jpg

.

29 Sep 12 at 4:48 pm
Yes Jump, apparently he does know that name, and is glad to hear the news.

Rabz, early on when when I said it looks like we’re winning then, da Ape quickly put me right: things can change very quickly in this game, Lizzie. Seems he was right – but newsflash, ‘the gap’s just narrowed’

Meanwhile – Candy, here is some excellent dancing in case you are bored with football, although I do think ballerinas these days (like models and other celebrity women) do let themselves get too thin. Takes away a bit from the soft ethereal presence etc. if they don’t have a bit of rounded flesh imho. Guys – don’t bother to look, you would just laugh at the fairy-man tripping around with all of his bits showing in his tights and his very prominant butt muscles. Nice for me to see, but (ha ha, pun intended) even though he may well never be interested in a girl.

He sure can dance though.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Sep 12 at 4:57 pm
Typical bluddee Swans – another nailbiter…

Rabz

29 Sep 12 at 5:02 pm
You bluddee Bewdy!

Swannies!

Rabz

29 Sep 12 at 5:12 pm
Cheer, cheer the red and the white!

Honour their name by day and by night,

Lift that noble banner high,

Shake down the thunder from the sky

What though the odds be great or small,

Swans will go in and win overall

While her loyal sons are marching

Onwards to victory.

Rabz

29 Sep 12 at 5:14 pm
Another classic Grand Final. Congrats to the Bloods.

Cold-Hands

29 Sep 12 at 5:15 pm
Yea! Yea! I sat down and watched the last seven minutes with him, and saw someone take a ‘mark’ and then that last goal and the excitement and thrill and all the guys leaping up and down during and after. It was fun. A tough game to lose, says da Ape in the midst of his joy and delight. Nice of him to think of those who are not so pleased. He’s off to the gym now, been holding out till the game was over.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Sep 12 at 5:16 pm
enjoyable game – very tough.

pete m

29 Sep 12 at 5:20 pm
Oh no. Hawks lost the grand final.

Sinclair Davidson

29 Sep 12 at 5:20 pm
Swannnnnnies

John Comnenus

29 Sep 12 at 5:22 pm
Great, now go to Fox 3, Ryder Cup ,503, Yanks having purple patch, momentum to swing back imminent, running out of commas, the skill is awesome ….

jumpnmcar

29 Sep 12 at 5:28 pm
I dozed through the Final, but since my girl’s a Hawks fan she had to watch it.

That’s the only time the tv has been on the footy in I don’t know how many years.

At least Collingwood didn’t win.

nilk

29 Sep 12 at 5:55 pm
Aerobatic Porn

Woolfe

29 Sep 12 at 5:58 pm
What a magnificent day for Australian Rules football. Best grand final since 1989. A premiership for the unrated underdogs. Best of all: defeat for a team of self-fanciers with the worst supporters in the AFL, the new Collingwood riff-raff who boo umpires like entitled white trash – Brighton car dealers and Camberwell real estate sharks. Boo hoo, Monty; defeat behoves you. Sorry, Dover. They’re bloody bewdies, Rabzie. And I think they’ve outgrown the rubbish they used to play 5-7 years ago. They’re a great team – and a great team to watch!

Tom

29 Sep 12 at 6:13 pm
So you want to know what the really great news about Hawthorn losing a grand final they should’ve won is?

M0nty will be sulking for weeks.

Token

29 Sep 12 at 6:23 pm
Today’s AFL Grand Final (an exciting match) was played under the coldest conditions ever — I claim that quite confidently.
The maximum temperature recorded at the BOM office in Victoria Parade during the game was 11.8C at 3.30 pm (it snowed this morning where I am).
According to Bruce Kennedy’s Grand Final Weather, the coldest was in 1958 at 11.3C closely followed by 2002 at 11.9C.
However, according to the US Environment Protection Authority, the Urban Heat Island Effect adds 1- 3C to the temperature in a situation like that of the current BOM Melbourne Office surrounded by apartment towers (reflecting the intermittent sunshine) and busy roads as it is — very different from the situation 50 years ago.
I mention this only because if the reverse was the case i.e. the warmest final, there would have been much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

manalive

29 Sep 12 at 6:24 pm
The 05 & 06 finals between Swans & Weagles were crackers. Pies Bears in 02 was a ripper too.

Token

29 Sep 12 at 6:25 pm
Because some folk saw it coming:

“I see an innumerable crowd of like and equal men who revolve on themselves without repose, procuring the small and vulgar pleasures with which they fill their souls. Over these is elevated an immense, tutelary power, which takes the sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate. It is absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident, and gentle. It would resemble the parental power if, like that power, it had as its object to prepare men for manhood, but it seeks, to the contrary, to keep them irrevocably fixed in childhood . . . it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their needs, guides them in their principle affairs . . .

The sovereign extends its arms about the society as a whole; it covers its surface with a network of petty regulations―complicated, minute, and uniform―through which even the most original minds and the most vigorous souls know not how to make their way . . . it does not break wills; it softens them, bends them, and directs them; rarely does it force one to act, but it constantly opposes itself to one’s acting on one’s own . . . it does not tyrannize, it gets in the way: it curtails, it enervates, it extinguishes, it stupefies, and finally reduces each nation to being nothing more than a herd of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.”

(Alexis de Tocqueville)

Ellen of Tasmania

29 Sep 12 at 6:32 pm
Congrats, Rabz.

dover_beach

29 Sep 12 at 6:34 pm
Hey Monst, Fat boy. Your side lost. hahahahahahahhahahahhaahahhahahaha

JC

29 Sep 12 at 6:38 pm
Ah, Fisky, next year, mate.

dover_beach

29 Sep 12 at 6:39 pm
I mention this only because if the reverse was the case i.e. the warmest final, there would have been much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Lol… but of course.

JC

29 Sep 12 at 6:41 pm
Best of all: defeat for a team of self-fanciers with the worst supporters in the AFL

Obviously you’ve never been to a West Cost Eagles home game.

Yobbo

29 Sep 12 at 6:46 pm
There was a grand final on today?

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 6:49 pm
Yes, the one that goes out of its way to provide the worst half-time entertainment money can buy.

Tomorrow League will make an ass-clown out of Fat Andy and his team over paid inner city luvvies.

Token

29 Sep 12 at 7:04 pm
Did Meatloaf appear again this year?

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 7:06 pm
Aussie band The Temper Trap played at half time, Paul Kelly pre-game. Marina Prior sung the anthem.

Yobbo

29 Sep 12 at 7:10 pm
No, Lad. The AFL socialist emperor wanted a whiny old lefty, Paul Kelly, and some boy band who write catchy tunes. Sorry, I wasn’t much interested. The difference this year is the AFL didn’t look like complete idiots. Sorry we don’t live in your pure rugby union universe, CL.

Tom

29 Sep 12 at 7:12 pm
m0nty’s team lost … oh happy days!

______________________________________

Go Storm!

Nanuestalker

29 Sep 12 at 7:13 pm
Tomorrow League will make an ass-clown out of Fat Andy and his team over paid inner city luvvies.

Excellent.

Megan

29 Sep 12 at 7:18 pm
oops Helen with a H

LOL my brother calls me ‘Alan’. In fact once a part was lost for months because the shop had it filed under ‘Alan’

Helen Armstrong

29 Sep 12 at 7:24 pm
oops Helen with a H

LOL my brother calls me ‘Alan’. In fact once a part was lost for months because the shop had it filed under ‘Alan’

Helen Armstrong

29 Sep 12 at 7:29 pm
Can’t wait for the RL GF. Att: JC. The bookies are giving money away. Storm are $1.80 favourites because the Sydney $20 punters are for Canterbury. Melbourne has the best coach, best champion players, best motivation: to humiliate the NRL for stripping Storm of premierships and treating the rest of the country (and NZ) like shit.

Tom

29 Sep 12 at 7:33 pm
Rugby League is dead to me since Johns was put ahead of Big Mal.

It is maladministered worse than a crack whore mothers her crack baby.

It is a beautiful thing that is dying, because of the Bourbon regime attitudes the ‘elite’ of the RL ‘community’ have.

The Johns thing was the last straw.

.

29 Sep 12 at 7:39 pm
Lizzie, I watched the clip you put up of the ballet, and it was very beautiful. All young men should dress like that.

I did notice though that Polina’s feet looked quite large. Are they or is it just the things they wear in the end of their slippers that make them bigger looking?

Even with big feet, she was lovely.

Helen Armstrong

29 Sep 12 at 7:40 pm
Repulsive misogynist Jason Biggs and craven corporate enabler Nickelodeon:

http://michellemalkin.com/2012/09/28/meet-nickelodeons-trash-mouthed-misogynist-jason-biggs/

Ivan Denisovich

29 Sep 12 at 7:42 pm
Interesting link, I roll my eyes however when lulu US conservatives start complaining about “the subversiveness of SpongeBob SquarePants”. I think its appropriate at that point to ask if women seek their pure essence but do they deny it to them?

Never mind Ivan. He will always be, thanks to Jay and Silent Bob, the guy who shoved his dick in a pie.

.

29 Sep 12 at 7:48 pm
Oh, a Sydney team won the AFL grand final?

I like AFL because it provides incontrovertible proof that homosexuals are completely accepted in Australia. I mean, they have their very own football code!

Mk50 of Brisbane

29 Sep 12 at 7:54 pm
So Mark, are you comparing it to the game where 1 toothless bogan tries to push 2 teethless bogans up 3 teethless bogans bums?

Huckleberry Chunkwot

29 Sep 12 at 8:10 pm
it just the things they wear in the end of their slippers that make them bigger looking?

Helen, toe shoes have a blocked end, like putting your feet into a fairly rigid little casket. They make big feet look a bit bigger because of the slightly squared-off end, so little feet (comme moi) look better. I haven’t used toe-shoes for years, but used to be quite competent with them. Hard on the toes of course. Most long-term ballet dancers have foot problems. I didn’t do it for long enough to have these sorts of issues. But childhood ballet was once thing that made me realise there was a better life somewhere else than where I was. I do jazz dance now.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Sep 12 at 8:15 pm
Alan Jones shamed in the Sunday Telegraph for offensive comments about Gillard at a Young Liberals function. His 47% moment.

m0nty

29 Sep 12 at 8:30 pm
Alan Jones shamed in the Sunday Telegraph for offensive comments about Gillard at a Young Liberals function. His 47% moment.

And what? Do you think we actually give a shit m0oby?

Hawks fail! m0oby fail! Great weekend so far for me.

Nanuestalker

29 Sep 12 at 8:53 pm
Wow mOron, Alan Jones shamed. What about that stupid dishonest grub Roxon? Nothing to add boxhead?

Tiny Dancer

29 Sep 12 at 8:54 pm
Monty, you are such a yawn.

blogstrop

29 Sep 12 at 8:57 pm
Some entertaining weekend reading:

This book is both humorous and informative. The theme is that Liberals want to take away what Americans enjoy. Included in his rundown are Walmart, Steakhouses, McDonalds, Flag Pins, Football, the V-8 Engine, Success, the Second Amendment, Freeways, the Military, and The Founding Fathers. The book starts off with Gallagher’s insightful description, “I learned that they spend a whole lot of time thinking about America’s faults, and how to correct them. About America’s ills, and how to cure them. Liberals love to hate things most Americans love, and spend the rest of their lives endlessly trying to take those things away from us.”

The author presented at the Nixon library, very funny.

This guy can tell a story and has good slides to go with each point.

Token

29 Sep 12 at 8:59 pm
Rugby Union is largely dead to me, Tom.

I despise the way it’s played now. It’s a game for anal retentive bozos.

The way it used to be (posted before, featuring Phil Bennett’s famous triple step):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwCbG4I0QyA

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 9:03 pm
Wrongologist Monty, 7 Jul 12:

The Ashby scandal has been a disgrace for the LNP. Slipper will probably return to the speaker’s chair, or at worst join the cross-benches.

Good call.

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 9:04 pm
Spaceballs continues.
SfB jams radar. SteveC (in large black helmet) is taken aback.

blogstrop

29 Sep 12 at 9:06 pm
SuperAgers may thus have a greater attentional capacity, which could help boost their memory and their lifelong learning capacity.

And yet people wonder why I recommend meditation. It improves attentional capacity, even seems to preserve gray matter, and reduces the startle response. You don’t need to formally meditate but you do need to practice attentional skills.

Dead Soul

29 Sep 12 at 9:27 pm
Did Gillard’s Dad die of shame?

I’d say yes.

To say otherwise casts aspersions on his character.

.

29 Sep 12 at 9:35 pm
C.L. – how good was the post try celebration? He just ran back to his mark!

pete m

29 Sep 12 at 9:37 pm
“Meanwhile – Candy, here is some excellent dancing in case you are bored with football”

Hi Elizabeth -(I’m not a lover of football)
I thought the ballerina travelled a bit much in her spins? she was nice, yes, a little spindly.
The Vogel dancer – Wow! power and grace and energy.

candy

29 Sep 12 at 9:41 pm
So Mark, are you comparing it to the game where 1 toothless bogan tries to push 2 teethless bogans up 3 teethless bogans bums?

Nah. That’s League. It’s a football code for homosexuals too effeminate to play AFL.

Soccer, of course, is also alleged to be a football code: if so it’s exclusively for transvestites and trans-sexuals who are also screaming drama queens.

No wonder the Europeans love it so.

Let’s see, I think that’s everyone offended…

Mk50 of Brisbane

29 Sep 12 at 9:44 pm
Ah, Fisky, next year, mate.

I blame m0nty.

Fisky

29 Sep 12 at 9:48 pm
Mk50

Don’t forget the cricketing pansy boys in their coloured pyjamas.

Rococo Liberal

29 Sep 12 at 10:00 pm
So what’s left MK50? Surely not Union, with the poofey Quadey boy of yours?

Lazlo

29 Sep 12 at 10:09 pm
RL – nah, I’ll leave cricket alone. We took a seriously senior US military officer and his staff to the SCG once, to see a test match.

The look on his face when it was explained that yes, this was a three day game, one of a series… and that yes, this was for just one test match between two countries… and that yes, they were often draws as a result.

Well, priceless does not begin to describe that look.

Then, of course, we filled him and his staff up with beer (we put a keg on).

The funny thing is that he’s now (many years later and long retired) a test cricket fanatic. Started a school league in his home state.

Mk50 of Brisbane

29 Sep 12 at 10:11 pm
I thought the ballerina travelled a bit much in her spins? she was nice, yes, a little spindly.

Yes, lacking composite bodily grace I thought. Too scrawny. I also thought a couple of her fouettes were only just there (for a prima ballerina that is). She has a big following, but not my favorite.

But the Vogel – agree. Woof, woof (in ladylike tones).

Here is a useful warning for young girls that ballet can ask too much of you. Da Hairy Ape says ballet is trying to make women dolls and he’d rather that girls played football. I’d take a middle path on that, enjoying the dance for fun and without pain but not taking myself to the mud fields fighting over a bit of leather.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Sep 12 at 10:16 pm
The NFL is beyond reproach.

“Ah they are pansies for wearing PPE”

Who cares. The NFL look after their players (and unlike the ARU, selection is highly competitive). They don’t have the loser mentality of a typical NRL fan from Belmore, Penrith or Dee Why:

“Fuckin’ dog carnt earning 350k salary mate ya should be workin’ as a brickie’s labourer ya carnt or a used car salesman when yer not playing da fooite mate ya ferkin uppity carnt…ya make me sick when I read about ya new model missus with dem good norks getting a 100k diamond ring in the tele at the AHR-US-ELLE on a mundee mornin’ when I put me foirst bets on da dishlickers“.

.

29 Sep 12 at 10:21 pm
AFL: “Oh my God, he jumped and caught a ball for half a second!”

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

C.L.

29 Sep 12 at 10:23 pm
Hmmm. This thread is getting a bit like the Aussie barbie. Blokes around the keg and the girls discussing babies and hairdos in the corner with a chardy.

Ellen put up de Toqueville a while back. Any takers?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Sep 12 at 10:27 pm
Yeah, Union. Oh, I don’t watch it these days, too many nancyboy rules. I used to play it though, and the interservice games were legendary. Sometimes even the ref would join in the fighting and I don’t think I can recall many I.S. games where bones were not broken. Lost track of how many times the old snotbox pointed sideways after a game. The rucks were excellent boot-to-head combat training and the punchups in the scrums were also entertaining. We used to play ‘lineout surprise’. You’d grab the opposition’s hooker and throw him at someone. Hard. Jeez they looked surprised when their hooker smacked into them at an appreciable percentage of light speed.

D’you realise that they’d penalise you merely for rucking out someone head these days? Disgraceful, that sort of pansification. Penalising someone just because they gave some bloke a couple of dozen stitches in the noggin?

Talk about taking the fun out of a game.

And as for talking the fireys into getting six fire engines and spraying the oval during the game ’cause you had not played in the mud for a while, they’d probably squeal about that too.

Tough for a young bloke to prove himself these days. Little weedy bastard we had on one of our teams (winger) did not have much of a rep until he played out the game with three busted ribs. After that, everyone knew he was a tough little bugger, especially him. And that matters.

Mk50 of Brisbane

29 Sep 12 at 10:27 pm
Women

fighting over a bit of leather.

Only if it’s apparel or a handbag, Lizzie.

kae

29 Sep 12 at 10:34 pm
Penalising someone just because they gave some bloke a couple of dozen stitches in the noggin?

So you have no objection to potentially inflicting brain damage on someone.

Tough for a young bloke to prove himself these days.

So to be a man you have to beat someone around the head?

Dead Soul

29 Sep 12 at 10:35 pm
Did she put it on de mantlepiece?

Lazlo

29 Sep 12 at 10:36 pm
I remember a playground game called “British Bulldog” at St Kevin’s, Toorak, in about 1964. Quite rough. Probably wouldn’t be permitted now.

From another thread, snakes are not spineless. I once had a maths academic ask me if dolphins have spines. Er … Yes.

Julian O'Dea

29 Sep 12 at 10:50 pm
DS, in da olden days men traditionally fell into two types, warriors and clerics. Warriors felt they had to bash each other around, clerics tried to find out why. Plus ca change I guess. There are reasons for this no doubt hidden in men’s genes.

Ooooooh Lizzie, what are you saying??????????

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

29 Sep 12 at 10:52 pm
Yes, I played that in primary in the early 80s.

dover_beach

29 Sep 12 at 10:56 pm
DS, Julian,

You gotta take some things as figures of speech.

Likewise, it would be mad of you not to note my fluent and usually persistent invective (usually aimed at trolls) as a figure of speech for “you rapscallion, your continuing obfuscation and flat learning curves, unfortunately have irritated me today”.

.

29 Sep 12 at 10:59 pm
SYDNEY!!!!

How fucking good was Goodes today.

sdfc

29 Sep 12 at 11:01 pm
Lizzie, we all used to bash and get bashed. Even us clerkly types.

OK, it was a figuratively spineless snake.

Julian O'Dea

29 Sep 12 at 11:04 pm
You should all spare a thought for Footscray supporters.

Julian O'Dea

29 Sep 12 at 11:07 pm
In England I experienced a game called Jimmy Knacker. One team lines up in a sort of chain by each member putting their head between the legs of the one in front, so it forms a sort of conga line, except it’s the head up someone’s arse variety.

Then the other team takes it in turn to run and jump and come down with great force onto the backs of the conga line. If the line collapses then the jumping team wins. If a jumper falls off then the conga team wins. If all jumpers have jumped, and the conga line remains steadfast enough to shout, in unison ‘One Two Three Jimmy Knacker!’ then the conga team wins!

I suspect British Bulldog might have been similar.

Lazlo

29 Sep 12 at 11:12 pm
This trader is right. Becky Quick of CNBC is an asshat and deservedly gets the asshat of the week award.

She interviews the RIMM CEO (blackberry) and gives the fucker a free pass. He destroyed that company when they had the market in their back pocket and now becomes garbage.

Really cute as he points out, but a douchebag interviewer.

JC

29 Sep 12 at 11:12 pm
Nah. Just searched for British Bulldog. Not the same game at all. Sounds like fun but..

Lazlo

29 Sep 12 at 11:25 pm
British Bulldog involved some boys in the middle of the playground. Others would run from end to end, attempting to evade the central boys. If the latter boys could capture a running boy and hold him long enough to slap him on the back, saying “British Bulldog, one, two, three”, he had to join the central boys.

The absolutely most important status thing at primary school was the ability to run quickly.

Julian O'Dea

29 Sep 12 at 11:28 pm
Playground days… those were the days my friend

Lazlo

29 Sep 12 at 11:33 pm
It was a very exciting game. It was one of those rare elemental experiences of childhood, of which there probably are fewer these days. Fifty years on, I still remember the boys in the centre, baying like hounds, as the few remaining boys, fast or lucky, tried desperately to evade the swollen crowd of boys in the centre.

Julian O'Dea

29 Sep 12 at 11:37 pm
Yes, Julian, I used to play Bulldog at primary school too. It was mainly controversial for getting buttons ripped off shirts. I don’t recall the nuns ever trying to stop it, though.

steve from brisbane

29 Sep 12 at 11:41 pm
Steve, it used to get rough when a boy refused to accept that he was “caught”. There were no nuns. It was a Christian Brothers school.

Julian O'Dea

29 Sep 12 at 11:43 pm
The tactic would surely be to capture the young pups first, and then gradually go up in age. The last would be the overgrown tough boys..

Lazlo

29 Sep 12 at 11:43 pm
You gotta take some things as figures of speech

It was not a figure of speech. He meant it. Silly old macho crap. How does a person prove themselves? Oh I don’t know, being a good citizen, a good parent, starting a business, creating a new product, a new treatment, a new technology. Take ya friggin pick. Not manly enough for you? Then piss off back to the 20th century.

Dead Soul

29 Sep 12 at 11:45 pm
DS, I understand your point. But even the more scholarly type of boy likes to test his courage. I was very pleased when I found the courage to tackle quite well when I played rugby union at thirteen.

Julian O'Dea

29 Sep 12 at 11:51 pm
From the side, on the thigh, and head behind not in front, JOD. Waterloo was won on the playing fields of Eton.

Lazlo

29 Sep 12 at 11:56 pm
Lazlo, absolutely correct. Tackle low. Not like those scruffy, ruffianly League upper body tackles.

Julian O'Dea

30 Sep 12 at 12:08 am
The Rugby League players are gentlemen. The fans are the ruffians. Cronulla fans at Bruce Stadium? Gorillas in the Mist meets White Man’s Burden.

.

30 Sep 12 at 12:15 am
Gentlemen like: Steve Kneen, Steve Roach, Peter Kelly, Les Boyd, Terry Lamb..

Lazlo

30 Sep 12 at 12:25 am
Rugby union is basically finished, Mark.

It was glorious in the days of ~~yore~~ old.

So you have no objection to potentially inflicting brain damage on someone.

Given how many tens of thousands of men and boys play football every weekend – that is, the rugby codes; AFL hugging and dribbling is not a tough football code – I’d like to know how many suffer clinical brain damage in any given year.

Hardly any, would be my guess.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 12:26 am
Iranian News Agency falls for Onion parody: “A news agency in Iran has published a report by the satirical news website, The Onion, saying rural white Americans would rather vote for President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad than Barack Obama.”

Note that in the case of Iran specifically, misunderstanding American pop culture is actually a bit of an official pastime.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 12:38 am
No defence of Alan Jones from anyone please.

His comments re Gillard’s father were moronic.

I’m heartily sick of this greenie socialist fucking whiner. I wish he’d retire to his apartment and full-time chef and stop clogging up the airwaves with his fantastical “food security” hysteria.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 12:40 am
He could have been Obama’s son…

A St. Louis teen who authorities say is a member of a gang called the “Obama Boyz” has been charged with two shootings on Saturday.

Anthony Jamal Lee, 18, fired at a group of people from the window of a Grand Prix at 2:17 p.m., according to charges. A 13-year-old boy was struck in the side of his body and had to be hospitalized; a 17-year-old boy was grazed by bullets on his face and arm.

Lee, according to authorities, then fired from his car at two passengers in another Grand Prix, grazing one of them in the back.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 12:43 am
I see Obama is giving the Hamas terrorists $300 million. That should get a few firearms & rockets.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 12:48 am
If the last 24 hours has taught us anything it is that homosexuals should be silenced. They are trouble.

Infidel Tiger

30 Sep 12 at 1:29 am
Hardly any, would be my guess.

Oh good a guess. Gee, I don’t know, according to people who actually done more than guess it is certainly more than “hardly any”.

4.5 times the risk of dementia, excluding CTE. But hey, let’s guess, that’s a good way to determine risk. Told you years ago that eventually this would become big news in Australia. You laughed then, you laugh now. Perhaps Rugby players don’t mind ending up demented and drooling in their 50′s, like so many USA NFL players. But guess what: parents very much care about their children playing sports which are more likely to induce brain damage than a piss up or worse.

I don’t want these games banned. Actually I don’t give a rat’s arse because I have next to no interest in sport. Oh how unmanly of me that I would rather read than watch grown man run into one another. Such a wuss am I for feeding my intelligence rather than watching other people damage theirs.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/heading/story-fndo2iwh-1226479109779

Dead Soul

30 Sep 12 at 1:30 am
I agree with Dead Soul. Sure, males, especially kids, have an some violent urges, but I do not think this should encouraged or celebrated as sport. Certainly nothing healthy in it for the body or soul.

Boris

30 Sep 12 at 1:44 am
Boris, you’ve stumbled into the wrong place. The social engineering department is down the hallway on the Left. The Cat will give you nothing but hurty bad feelings.

Tom

30 Sep 12 at 2:16 am
Sure, males, especially kids, have some violent urges, but I do not think this should encouraged or celebrated as sport.

Stop being a poofter.

Sport is orchestrated, lawful violence.

Football is magnificent and the injuries that result from it are minimal.

——————————————————-

Sorry, John – sarcasm and your usual bullshit pseudo-omniscience don’t alter the fact that hundreds of thousands of men and boys have played football over the years and the number of brain injuries that have resulted are hardly worth worrying about.

I could just as easily commission a study that would prove – as it inevitably would – that participants in football are much healthier, fitter, slimmer and more socially integrated than non-footballing fatsos, losers and creampuffs. Moreover, there would be thousands of heart attack and obesity-related deaths that could have been avoided if only non-footballers had played football.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 2:16 am
Alan Jones has made an idiot of himself. He should have known that, if he was going to say something that was designed to be offensive, there would be phone recorders taking it down for posterity and plenty of enemies just waiting for a chance to organise a gotcha. And I’m with CL: Jones has become a Green shrieker. His radio show was unbearable last time I tried to listen.

Tom

30 Sep 12 at 3:43 am
It was a monty link so I didn’t bother to read it. Jones is due for retirement.

Blogstrop

30 Sep 12 at 6:25 am
More evidence via Bolt that the glowing figures we were given about inflation and unemployment being so great were wrong or misleading, and that we are indeed in a wiley e. coyote economy
.

Blogstrop

30 Sep 12 at 6:32 am
Sorry Rafe, I’m still half asleep. You’ve already posted that!

Blogstrop

30 Sep 12 at 6:39 am
I could just as easily commission a study that would prove – as it inevitably would – that participants in football are much healthier, fitter, slimmer and more socially integrated than non-footballing fatsos, losers and creampuffs.

Try getting funding for that study from government research funding bodies. Good luck.

dd

30 Sep 12 at 7:02 am
Interesting graphs on the surge in Afghanistan, and how badly it compares to the surge in Iraq.

The important thing about this slide is that it shows that the Surge was a failure. Why does it show that? Because the Surge was intended to collapse the opposition, so that Afghan forces could stand up and take control. Instead of those recurrent peaks, representing the annual fighting seasons, you should see a peak and then a decline.

boy on a bike

30 Sep 12 at 7:10 am
Remember how bad pommy cars used to be?

Britain now producing MORE cars than Germany: How the UK has become the car production capital of Europe

Eight out of 10 cars currently built in the Britain end up on foreign roads as British-made cars are now sold in more than 170 countries.

And the cause? Private investment, not government subsidy.

Mini, Jaguar and Range Rover are all on the rise after £6billion of mostly private funds have been ploughed into improving factories and research into new models.

boy on a bike

30 Sep 12 at 7:15 am
I think JAG and Range rover are owned by Tata motors.
Plus poms drive on the correct side of the road.

jumpnmcar

30 Sep 12 at 7:28 am
Update on a film that is a commercial success that received NO government aid and the major news agencies are going out of their way to prevent it receiving publicity:

Two weeks ago, Dinesh D’Souza’s documentary “2016: Obama’s America” passed Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” for second place on the all-time box-office money list for political documentaries. It now has a box office gross of more than $32 million. But if you’re an independent or a liberal who’s unplugged from conservative websites and talk radio, you’d never know.

You didn’t see D’Souza on CBS or NBC (although he showed up on ABC’s “Nightline” in late night). There were no cover stories in Time or Newsweek. The film opened on just one screen in Houston when it premiered on July 13, and then spread to 10, and eventually to 1,000 theaters in August and 2,000 theaters in September. A cultural sensation, yes – but somehow not newsworthy.

…And yet, D’Souza’s film was the Little Engine That Could – the film that could surpass Gore at the box office. He didn’t need MSNBC to put him on, although in August, he slammed them as cowardly: “You could watch that channel and not even know we have a film out – unless you saw a commercial that we’re running for our film. You look at Lawrence O’Donnell, you look at Rachel Maddow, you look at Chris Matthews. I mean, look at those cowards!…I would love to cross swords with those guys, but I think they’re all hiding under the desk.”

Whatever media-elite notice that D’Souza received began trickling in once it made the top ten of the weekend box-office hits in late August…and it wasn’t positive at all.

This should be good news for those of us in Australia who need to go around the palace guard to communicate important messages to voters.

Token

30 Sep 12 at 7:32 am
And I’m with CL: Jones has become a Green shrieker. His radio show was unbearable last time I tried to listen.

AJ has gone full green. He was endorsing mad-dog Milne’s economic irrationalism this week.

Token

30 Sep 12 at 7:38 am
The latest Steyn article is a ripper. I could clip a dozen sections – I’ll keep under control and try lure you in with this statement:

And so it was with President Obama’s usual visionary, inspiring, historic, etc, address to the U.N. General Assembly the other day: “The future must not belong to those who bully women,” he told the world, in a reference either to Egyptian clitoridectomists or the Republican Party, according to taste. “The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians,” he added. You mean those Muslim guys? Whoa, don’t jump to conclusions. “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam,” he declared, introducing to U.S. jurisprudence the novel concept of being able to slander a bloke who’s been dead for getting on for a millennium-and-a-half now.

Yes the smartest US Prez eva and constitutional law professor really did say that!

Token

30 Sep 12 at 7:42 am
British Bulldog, as Julian notes, was a very exciting game, but its one-legged variant, Hoppo Bumpo, was even more fun. Now that the feminised educational Establishment has concluded the problem with boys is that they are, well, boys, I doubt if rowdy, scragging, bruise-bestowing activities are even permitted in the modern playground. Indeed, it is very likely the police would be summoned.

Young Master Bunyip shattered a wrist as an 9-year-old when a classmate fell on it during some boy-sterous business in the schoolyard. The next day and acting under his teacher’s instruction, the kid whose “fault” it was wrote a note of apology. Mrs Bunyip knew his mum, called her up, and said he shouldn’t feel bad, that her lad might just as easily have been the injured party and that there was nothing regret.

The next year both families gave our lads to the Jesuits (in the nicest possible, non-invasive way), who instilled sound, traditional values. Chief amongst these was that footy teams from fairyland schools — think Melbourne Grammar — were composed entirely of poofters who needed to be walloped hard and often.

Sound advice that has stood him in good stead ever since.

Bunyip

30 Sep 12 at 7:46 am
Unbelievable, here was another critical bit of essential for the US’s national security which the Obama admin leaked to the press:

In March, Foreign Policy magazine reported that “several high-level sources” in the Obama administration had revealed Israel’s secret relationship with Azerbaijan, where Israeli planes could refuel on the way to or from an air strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities.

The administration feared “the risks of an Israeli strike on Iran,” according to these “high-level sources.” Apparently the risks of an Iranian nuclear strike on Israel are not so much feared.

This leak was one of the historic and unconscionable betrayals of an ally whose very existence is threatened. But the media still saw no evil, heard no evil, and spoke no evil.

No good could come from the US revealing that information. It has thrown another post soviet ally in Central Asia under the bus.

Token

30 Sep 12 at 8:03 am
Green energy struggling in Europe. Who would have thunk it?

Mind your manners on this site Bunyip, we know how to deal with trolls!

Poor Old Rafe

30 Sep 12 at 8:05 am
I remember British Bulldog involving a punch to the arm, not a slap.

It was particularly nasty around vaccination time.

Involvement was completely voluntary, and it was self-organised by the kids with no teacher participation. And yet the only kids who didn’t take part were those on crutches. Even the Monty-swotty types with Coke-bottle glasses and no co-ordination would have a go.

Boys love playing games that involve fighting – something our feminised teaching fraternity will never understand.

boy on a bike

30 Sep 12 at 8:10 am
I could clip a dozen sections

Indeed, Token, like this bit:

Two weeks ago in this space, I wrote that, in striking contrast to the official line, the Benghazi slaughter was not a spontaneous movie review that got a little out of hand but a catastrophic security breach and humiliating fiasco for the United States. Even more extraordinary, on Sept. 14, fewer than two dozen inbred, illiterate goatherds pulled off the biggest single destruction of U.S. airpower since the Tet Offensive in 1968, breaking into Camp Bastion (an unfortunate choice of name) in Afghanistan, killing Lieutenant-Colonel Christopher Raible, and blowing up a squadron’s worth of Harriers. And, even though it was the third international humiliation for the United States in as many days, it didn’t even make the papers. Because the court eunuchs at the media are too busy drooling over Obama’s appearance as what he calls “eye candy” on the couch between Barbara and Whoopi.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 8:10 am
What do you do if you’re a Lefty government whose job destroying legislation is causing job layoff during a re-election year?

So, the government is going to provide the funds to pay the fines they impose on the contractors for non-compliance with regulations written by the government.

You couldn’t make this stuff up.

Token

30 Sep 12 at 8:11 am
I remember British Bulldog involving a punch to the arm, not a slap.

It was particularly nasty around vaccination time.

I remember the pride my and my friends would get in Grade 2 if we were allowed to play British Bulldogs with the Grade 6 boys.

After they stuffed your head into the turf a few times, they would invite you to play kick-to-kick with them.

Token

30 Sep 12 at 8:13 am
Like paying “compensation” for hurtling the carbon dioxide tax at the electorate.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 8:14 am
Interesting. Every time we played a Catholic school at any sport, our cheer squad of at least 500 boys would quickly switch to bellowing out a song that had “All Catholics are poofters” as the last line of every verse. Each verse had two lines – the first was fairly irrelevant. You could sing anything you like, such as:

“Wombats have 4 legs
All catholics are poofters

Women like leather handbags
All catholics are poofters

Hawthorn are a miserable lot
All catholics are poofters”

etc etc etc. You sing that until you lungs wear out.

Our teachers never tried to shut us down. However, the mick teachers were much more uptight – everytime the poofters tried to retaliate, they were told to clam up.

boy on a bike

30 Sep 12 at 8:16 am
Boy: Ted Baillieu was a Grammar boy. Case closed.

Bunyip

30 Sep 12 at 8:21 am
Just on the thought of British Bulldog and Brandy, there are far too many schoolyard games banned now in the interests of ‘safety’.

I suspect it might be more to do with litigation, as several schools in my area have banned teachers from getting a ladder and retrieving balls from the roof, and there are a few schools that also will not teach the kids how to do forward rolls in PE.

That last one leaves me eternally gobsmacked. So does the thought of the kids that start school never having been on the monkey bars or being unable to throw a ball properly.

Our children are being crippled by political correctness and social engineering.

nilk

30 Sep 12 at 8:27 am
Radio National is this moment broadcasting a special on Where Fairfax Went Wrong.

No mention so far of the crap it publishes, just the company’s inability to come to terms with the Web. I fully expect the program to conclude with comments from some academic about the federal government’s moral obligation to subside “quality journalism”, probably “quality long-form journalism” as well.

Bunyip

30 Sep 12 at 8:28 am
AJ has gone full green.

I was listening to him harangue O’Barrell over CSG, last week.
It’s my understanding that anyone who was competently briefed on the subject could kill the anti CSG jihad stone dead. The degree of humiliation involved would, however, mean they’d never get another gig on his show.

lotocoti

30 Sep 12 at 8:28 am
Just on the thought of British Bulldog and Brandy, there are far too many schoolyard games banned now in the interests of ‘safety’.

Playing British Bulldogs with the older boys we learned to shake tackles and tactics to distract when moving forward in # in a real fierce contest where to screw up meant real pain.

Then playing kick-to-kick we had to time our jumps and rove the packs as we could not compete on strength with the older kids.

As a result, during inter-school carnivals our school would smash other teams, especially when we played those schools way down the pussification of education path.

Token

30 Sep 12 at 8:32 am
It’s my understanding that anyone who was competently briefed on the subject could kill the anti CSG jihad stone dead.

Like quoting this Dellingpole article where he picks up a quote from the producer of Frack Nation?

There was Dimock, Pa. — the likely inspiration for “Promised Land,” which is also set in Pennsylvania. Dimock featured in countless news reports, with Hollywood celebrities even bringing water to 11 families who claimed fracking had destroyed their water and their lives.

But while “Promised Land” was in production, the story of Dimock collapsed. The state investigated and its scientists found nothing wrong. So the 11 families insisted EPA scientists investigate. They did — and much to the dismay of the environmental movement found the water was not contaminated.

There was Wolf Eagle Environmental Engineers in Texas, a group that produced a frightening video of a flaming house water pipe and claimed a gas company had polluted the water. But a judge just found that the tape was an outright fraud — Wolf Eagle connected the house gas pipe to a hose and lit the water.

Other “pollution” cases collapsed in Wyoming and Colorado. Even Josh Fox, who with his Oscar-nominated documentary “Gasland” first raised concerns about flammable water, has had to admit he withheld evidence that fracking was not responsible.

Dellingpole has provided links in his article to back up each statement.

Unfortunately AJ is working an angle and doesn’t want the truth to get out.

Token

30 Sep 12 at 8:38 am
For anyone who thinks the statements about skewed polls in the US is all just sour grapes:

Drop in Ohio voter registration, especially in Dem strongholds, mirrors nationwide trend

So why is it that pollsters are publishing results based upon greater Democrat turn out?

Token

30 Sep 12 at 8:41 am
Wow. From Rafe’s link:

Greece: The electricity system came close to collapse in June when market operator LAGHE was overwhelmed by subsidies it pays to green power producers as part of efforts to bolster solar energy.

Japan: Sharp Corp. plans to end production and sales of solar cells and modules in the U.S. and Europe by March as part of a restructuring, Kyodo News said. Osaka-based Sharp plans to cut more than 10,000 jobs, or about 18 percent of its workforce, and is in talks to sell plants as it tries to return to profit…

Scotland: The amount of electricity produced from “green” energy sources in Scotland fell by almost half for a period earlier this year – because it was not wet or windy enough. The figures prompted opposition concerns that Scotland could be left in the dark if the “wind isn’t blowing”.

UK: The UK biofuels industry stands to be ‘devastated’ by draft proposals being developed by the European Commission, renewables chiefs have warned.

Switzerland: would have to charge higher end-user power prices and resort to new gas-fired plants to fill the supply gap created by its planned nuclear phase-out prompted by Japan’s Fukushima accident [?], the Swiss energy ministry said on Friday. The statement also said the average household electricity bill, estimated at 890 Swiss Francs ($950) a year, was due to rise in line with higher costs for renewable energy and to cover the costs of investment in the grid.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 8:44 am
Even more extraordinary, on Sept. 14, fewer than two dozen inbred, illiterate goatherds pulled off the biggest single destruction of U.S. airpower since the Tet Offensive in 1968, breaking into Camp Bastion (an unfortunate choice of name) in Afghanistan, killing Lieutenant-Colonel Christopher Raible, and blowing up a squadron’s worth of Harriers. And, even though it was the third international humiliation for the United States in as many days, it didn’t even make the papers. Because the court eunuchs at the media are too busy drooling over Obama’s appearance as what he calls “eye candy” on the couch between Barbara and Whoopi.

Most of the US media is now as disciplined as the Iranian media in knowing what to do and what to suppress for the ruling party and its president. They are a disgrace. What they don’t seem to know or care about is that a comfortable majority of Americans now regard them as left-wing liars and extremists. It’s possible their astonishing corruption is now a net benefit to the Republicans.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 8:51 am
All catholics…

Whereas all state school kids were front bottoms.
A point driven home by some Clayfield SS kid in an U11 game.
(He used a file on his tags.)
As Mark related last night, inter-service games were great.
Especially The Duntroon Game (who cares what the dirty filthy pongos called it).
Of particular note were hang dog expressions carried by the Air Farce brass who came to watch. Apparently there was no equivalent contest in the field of interior design for the chasps at Point Cook.

lotocoti

30 Sep 12 at 9:12 am
Insiders this morning is wall-to-wall luvvies and is concentrating on:

1. AbbottAbbottAbbott’s embarrassment over AJ’s idiotic private remarks and the marvellous gotcha that fortuitously brought it to light.
2. Internal Coalition tensions over wheat exports.
3. AbbottAbbottAbbott’s “gaffe” over illegal immigration.
4. AbbottAbbottAbbott’s … (to be advised).

I’d love to know how much of our money goes into this weekly assault on voters.

Tom

30 Sep 12 at 9:14 am
Bunyip

We had our share of “wet” Anglican schools – like Grammar. The funny thing is that the Grammar equivalent actually did turn out a lot of poofters.

boy on a bike

30 Sep 12 at 9:16 am
Tom @ 0914,

Totally agree with Insiders this am.

Mike of Marion

30 Sep 12 at 9:25 am
the feminised educational Establishment has concluded

that boys will be boys is verboten. In the new century they dictate that boys will be girls.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 9:27 am
No mention so far of the crap it publishes, just the company’s inability to come to terms with the Web.

I listened to the show too (Background Briefing, Saving the Masthead).

It’s true they didn’t address on the quality of the journalism, but it was a good show all the same.

One could say that both the crap journalism and the repeated failures over a long time to embrace digital media stem from a common problem: a lack of desire to understand how the world really works.

They don’t have the transcript up yet, so this is a paraphrase from memory, but there was one funny bit that went like this:

Journalist: Someone should have come along to explain to us how important this Web stuff would be.
Interviewer: But isn't it your job as journalists to find this stuff out for yourselves?

Dangph

30 Sep 12 at 9:30 am
I’m stunned. Not.

History war claims by John Howard soundly rejected by ACARA

Warning – the comments over there are like a teacher’s version of Webdiary.

boy on a bike

30 Sep 12 at 9:34 am
UK Labour wants to ban ethical investing.

Mr Miliband is proposing a sweeping new legal duty on any financial service which manages savings, including pension funds and banks, to maximise the saver’s returns. Failure to do so would mean them breaking the law.

That’s entirely the end of the corporate social responsibility movement then. Entirely screws over the ethical pension and investment funds. All those plans for Green Bonds go up in smoke.

For he’s imposing a strict version of fiduciary duty on the pension funds. You are not allowed to consider anything else at all except the financial return to investors. If fags n’booze provide the best returns, arms, raping Gaia through mining, then that’s where you’ve got to invest.

Bugger what anyone thinks about anything else: financial return is the only valid metric.

It’s going to be very interesting indeed seeing what happens when people, including the Milipede, realise what’s he’s actually advocating.

Clearly the leftist dills over there are exchanging stupidity with Wayne Swan.

boy on a bike

30 Sep 12 at 9:45 am
Have you noticed the price of tomatoes lately?
It’s due to uncommonly cool conditions in QLD.
But of course that’s just weather. Later on when it warms up for summer it’ll become climate change again. I noticed that some are already predicting a nasty hot summer, licking their lips in anticipation.

blogstrop

30 Sep 12 at 9:47 am
Alan Jones is too left wing for you lot, what a joke.

m0nty

30 Sep 12 at 10:00 am
They banned British Bulldog at our school after one kid got hurt. I don’t believe he was hurt seriously, it was more that he was just a whinging type. We had played the game for a long time without incident before that. Things were self regulating: if one kid was too rough, they would face retaliation and shaming. Things worked themselves out. There was one kid who was large of stature, small of brain, and who had a slight mean streak. But we managed to deal with him successfully in the game (besides, he was slow and easy to avoid). It seemed like a huge injustice to me at the time to ban such a glorious game because of one incident.

Dangph

30 Sep 12 at 10:09 am
mOron, how about Roxon on Ashby? Cat got your tongue dickhead?

Tiny Dancer

30 Sep 12 at 10:11 am
I noticed that some are already predicting a nasty hot summer, licking their lips in anticipation.

Yes, yes and the BOM is yet again predicting a bumper cyclone season this year.

Every year the same prediction, they’ll be right one year i spose.

jumpnmcar

30 Sep 12 at 10:12 am
Monty posted the Jones link thinking it would be really hurtful to us.

Nobody likes your fellow lefty here, Mont.

———————————————————

Have you noticed the price of tomatoes lately?

I took a double/triple take when I saw a pack of six for sale at $5.75. Even those little tomatoes are expensive. Most annoying. I love my matoes.

On the other hand, I’m loving the give-away strawberry prices.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 10:19 am
Actually, I’m surprised Alan Jones hasn’t called for a royal commission into tomatoes. FOOD SECURITY!!

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 10:21 am
Alan Jones is too left wing for you lot, what a joke.

Fat boy ,

he’s an old style leftwinger and disgusting nimby. Unlike you we don’t let personalities get in the way of ideology… (or in your case a box of crispy creams).

JC

30 Sep 12 at 10:21 am
Hey m0nst, no mention of your soft pillow biting chokers this morning? And no, I am not talking about Slipper or Ashby, I am talking about the over-rated pretty boy Hawks.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Sep 12 at 10:25 am
JC,

That’s a deliberate, outrageous slur!

crispy cream

is spelt Kristy Kreme.

Tom

30 Sep 12 at 10:26 am
Krispy.

Tom

30 Sep 12 at 10:27 am
I’m on board. Fuck him. I don’t understand why the Libs keep sucking up to this turd.

No defence of Alan Jones from anyone please.

His comments re Gillard’s father were moronic.

I’m heartily sick of this greenie socialist fucking whiner. I wish he’d retire to his apartment and full-time chef and stop clogging up the airwaves with his fantastical “food security” hysteria.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 10:27 am
Oops Sorry Krispy…. Never knew that.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 10:28 am
Good on the AFL for putting their GF on at a sane hour.

The pie brigade of the NRL are playing theirs at the absurd time of 8.30 pm – all at the behest of Channel Nine. No family barbies in the arvo for the league unwashed. Idiots.

The creampuff Loserbies went down to South Africa last night (of course). At one stage the Wallaby staff lost count of the replacements they’d made and were forced to see out the game with 14 men. Cooper might be an eogtist but he happens to be right. Don’t shoot the messenger.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 10:30 am
My kid skyped me this morn.

She was walking along and overheard a conversation between two black dudes sauntering down the street.

” Who the “fok” are you going to vote for, ROMNEY?” (Romney pronounced in disgust).

Other dude replies.

” Don’t matter, I’ll still be foking poor”

(last one has the makings of a libertarian I think.)

JC

30 Sep 12 at 10:32 am
Hey m0nst, no mention of your soft pillow biting chokers this morning? And no, I am not talking about Slipper or Ashby, I am talking about the over-rated pretty boy Hawks.

Hey Monst

hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahaha

What a bunch of fucking chokers.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 10:33 am
Hey Monst,

Did you keep the scarf or throw it in the trash can?

JC

30 Sep 12 at 10:35 am
JC,

That’s a deliberate, outrageous slur!

crispy cream

is spelt Kristy Kreme.

Hey Tom

I just figured, that if they added another “K” in there they could have been seen as racist doughnuts by CNBC.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 10:37 am
No family barbies in the arvo for the league unwashed. Idiots.

Why not??. CanDo put QE2 B’day holiday on tomorrow.( fixed another Bligh fukup)
A smart thing to do.

jumpnmcar

30 Sep 12 at 10:38 am
So wrongologist Monty backed the Hawks?

Ahahahahahahaha.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 10:49 am
Re: the grand final yesterday, it was the whole team of champions v champion team thing. As a neutral, I thought it was a fantastic game. As an aside, doesn’t Lance Franklin know how to shank a shot at goal?

Skuter

30 Sep 12 at 10:51 am
So wrongologist Monty backed the Hawks?

C.L, the m0nster didn’t just back the Hawks, he lives for them. Don’t forget that not only is he a pathetic leftist, he is a 40 something bachelor, so he has nothing much else going in in his life.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Sep 12 at 10:54 am
CL, the NRL hasn’t gone completely mad. The GF starts at 5.15pm.

Tom

30 Sep 12 at 10:55 am
Campbell Newman went to the Launceston Church of England Grammar School for Boys. That is in Launceston (Tasmania).

One of the old headmasters, circa 1905 was The Reverend R A H Champion. His portrait fell off the dining room wall one day while I was saying grace after lunch. God knows why.

Poor Old Rafe

30 Sep 12 at 10:56 am
Skuter @ 1051,

What would you expect with a ‘leftie’!!!!

Mike of Marion

30 Sep 12 at 10:56 am
going in on in his life.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Sep 12 at 10:57 am
The pie brigade of the NRL are playing theirs at the absurd time of 8.30 pm – all at the behest of Channel Nine.

NRL GRAND FINAL KICK-OFF IS AT 5.00pm TODAY!!

CHANNEL 9 LIVE COVERAGE IS AS FOLLOWS:

PRE-MATCH ENTERTAINMENT : 4.30PM – 5.00PM

GRAND FINAL : 5.00PM – 7.00PM

Septimus

30 Sep 12 at 10:59 am
True Mike. I have noticed a commonality between m0nty’s comments and Shanklin’s shots at goal. Often they land in another postcode…

Skuter

30 Sep 12 at 11:01 am
A little respect fellas. Dover is a Hawks fan too.

Infidel Tiger

30 Sep 12 at 11:01 am
Maybe Dover should take a break from the Cat for a little while so that we can have our fun at m0nsters expense with a clear conscience.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Sep 12 at 11:06 am
Spooky, Rafe!

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 11:07 am
Interesting. Every time we played a Catholic school at any sport, our cheer squad of at least 500 boys would quickly switch to bellowing out a song that had “All Catholics are poofters”

Were you on the rowing team?

.

30 Sep 12 at 11:10 am
Rowers row in crews, not teams.

boy on a bike

30 Sep 12 at 11:12 am
And the racket at the Head of the River was even more awesome, because thousands of old boys would park their boats along the course towards the finish line and get stuck into the turps early, so you’d have a roaring tidal wave of noise as the crews reached the last 500 metres. Some would hire a barge, park a few kegs on it and pack it with thirsty, loud blokes.

boy on a bike

30 Sep 12 at 11:18 am
Former prime minister Kevin Rudd says Jones should be expelled from the Liberal Party.

“Alan Jones’ comments are lowest of the low. Abbott must dismiss Jones from Liberal Party now and ban him from future Liberal events,” he tweeted.

Craig Thompson is OK, though. Stealing money from female hospital orderlies is fine in the ALP. I hope Abbott handles this the right way. That is, I hope he doesn’t go too mushy. He should slam idiot Jones but, as regards the attempt to discredit him or the Liberals by association, he should combatively Go There vis-a-vis Gillard’s support for Thompson. Thomson isn’t, after all, merely a party member. He is an MP.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 11:31 am
Jones is completely wrong.

If Gillard’s dad was going to drop dead from shame, he would have died 20 years ago.

boy on a bike

30 Sep 12 at 12:07 pm
Agree CL. Abbott needs to get assertive on this, but not responsive to ALP agendas.

—————

Da Hairy Ape has just come in with some wild-eyed waving of the TV program saying that this puts a new agenda onto our day – the next Grand Final in this weekend of footie is at 5ish not 7ish as he was planning. Re-arrangements of schedule already organised, new plans made etc. (if you don’t mind, Lizzie, is very much an added afterthought).

I don’t mind. I can swim, shop and see friends anytime really, anytime. And he is so pleased I gave his footie seven minutes of my attention yesterday, who could not melt at his childlike enthusiasm at the prospect of sharing the same with me later today. In return, he will watch Call the Midwife with me (he quite likes it anyway).

I am organising for a male friend of his from Sydney to arrive in a couple of weeks for a visit to give him some better weekend sporting fun than I can manage.

I know my limits.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

30 Sep 12 at 12:30 pm
“Former prime minister Kevin Rudd says Jones should be expelled from the Liberal Party.

“Alan Jones’ comments are lowest of the low. Abbott must dismiss Jones from Liberal Party now and ban him from future Liberal events,” he tweeted.”

He’s a fine, chivalrous fellow, this Comrade Dear Leader chap, leaping without any thought of personal advantage to protect a wee vulnerable female-person-organism.

I wouldn’t. I don’t care if Alan Jones has gone all Dick Smith about iceberg lettuces and evil life sustaining CSG – he and anyone else can hurl whatever personal rubbish they like at Comrade Lying Witch. She established the personal standard that suits her and I say she can live with the harvest that generates.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

30 Sep 12 at 12:33 pm
Da Hairy Ape has just come in with some wild-eyed waving of the TV program saying that this puts a new agenda onto our day – the next Grand Final in this weekend of footie is at 5ish not 7ish as he was planning.

He was relying on the wrong information that CL posted last night and this morning about the NRL Grand Final? Alas.

Excellent that his day has now been properly organised to watch what should be a cracker of a game live on Channel 9 at 5.00pm.

Septimus

30 Sep 12 at 12:43 pm
You’ll notice I am not admitting to anything, lest I be accused Tony Abbott-style of some atrocity from the days when I was young and naive.

boy on a bike

30 Sep 12 at 12:45 pm
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

I was listening to a debate on the GF start time. They may have been discussing next year or the finishing time.

Apols, Ape.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 12:45 pm
I have a daughter. If my kid helped steal money, slept mostly with married men and was an inveterate liar, I’d be dying of shame too.

Jones is a leftwing greenie douchebg, but I don’t really see the problem here.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 12:46 pm
Wow, and bravo.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/14/staying-celibate-before-marriage-was-best-thing-ive-ever-done/

Just read it, and congrats to Mr and Mrs Crowder!

Mk50 of Brisbane

30 Sep 12 at 12:50 pm
The Fairfax zombies are demanding Tony Abbott kiss their arse over Alan Jones, wheeling out the luvvie idiot in the bandana as the attack dog at the top of the SMH website.

Tom

30 Sep 12 at 12:53 pm
“Jones is completely wrong.
If Gillard’s dad was going to drop dead from shame, he would have died 20 years ago”

that’s pretty funny actually but I feel mean for thinking it funny.

The whole thing puts another bit of pressure on Tony Abbott to respond in some way, but AJones should have had more commonsense really

candy

30 Sep 12 at 12:58 pm
There was a story on ABC radio I was listening to in the car about a study in scandinavia which showed what I always knew. Relationships where the male does housework are fucking doomed.

In other words men when men act like pansies they are treated abominally by their women.

I informed wifey that in the interests of keeping our marriage together and above water I would no longer be doing the dishes once a month like I used to and that she should cease and desist from always asking me to pick up after myself in the bathroom….. It just wasn’t going to happen.

In other words no more Mr. Niceguy.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 1:00 pm
On a much more vital matter C.L.:

“The creampuff Loserbies went down to South Africa last night (of course). … Cooper might be an eogtist but he happens to be right. Don’t shoot the messenger.”

Person of Interest Cooper had no message when asked about it in a soft interview on Thursday night. He answered “toxic”, “environment” and “facilities”, with mumbled gibberish in between ‘cos, whilst he’d been coached to say these words, he didn’t know what they meant or how to connect them.

What Cooper said and did is demonstrably dead set wrong.

His manager is playing a cunning stunt new contract game against the ARU and that is all this is about.

Cooper draws $15,000 per week to not tackle, to avoid being tackled and to chuck and kick the ball without thought or purpose. His feeble inabilities have been worked out by the All Blacks and everyone else and he’s not so important any more. He has learnt for years that he must blame someone … his coach will do.

The Wallabies were always going to end up at this low point. To explain – Adam Ashley Two Fathers is out of the team after a concussion. The concussion is because he was never expected to learn to tackle. Polota Nau is (often) injured for the same base reason.

Australian rugby’s entitled class has failed in their earlier careers to develop the fundamental skills necessary to justify the fabulous money they’re paid. They need someone to blame … the coach will do.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

30 Sep 12 at 1:00 pm
I informed wifey that in the interests of keeping our marriage together and above water I would no longer be doing the dishes once a month like I used to and that she should cease and desist from always asking me to pick up after myself in the bathroom….. It just wasn’t going to happen. has she stopped laughing yet?

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 1:07 pm
Mick, I agree with all that but if the forwards can hold their own all of a sudden Cooper looks like the best player in the world. We are a different team with Horwill, Pocock and Moore.

They are just a shambles at the moment.

Tiny Dancer

30 Sep 12 at 1:08 pm
Why in the hell is Tony Abbott responsible for what Alan Jones says? That’s like saying Julia Gillard is responsible for what Catherine Deveny says. When is she going to apologise?

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 1:09 pm
“Da Hairy Ape has just come in with some wild-eyed waving of the TV program saying that this puts a new agenda onto our day – the next Grand Final in this weekend of footie is at …”

This Hairy Ape fella sounds right up my alley, a man with purpose and perspective and passion for the things that matter – he has gravitas.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B – you are so very fortunate to have been invited into the aura of such a man!

Mick Gold Coast QLD

30 Sep 12 at 1:10 pm
Alan Jones has apologised, but that is a minor story for the SMH, which is still going after Abbott with the Fitzsimons rant.

Tom

30 Sep 12 at 1:12 pm
Peter Fitzsimons urinates on the memories of the 9/11 dead:

Hello. We are sorry. We are desperately sorry that the world has now moved to the point where it is on the edge of an abyss from which there can be no return. We accept that such hate as drove the planes into the World Trade Centre towers can only have come from incredible suffering, and we are desperately sorry for that suffering, even if we are yet to come to grips with its specific cause.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 1:16 pm
I noticed on Thursday that Fairfax shares are at about the price of a box of matches.

“… but that is a minor story for the SMH, which is still going after Abbott with the Fitzsimons rant”

is one of the reasons why.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

30 Sep 12 at 1:21 pm
Very disappointing to find out three intelligent friends, with very responsible private sector jobs, are against dams. After a lengthy – and let’s call it animated – discussion, the argument boiled down to

1) dams destroy towns and are bad for the ‘viroment. (But building cities and roads are not).
2) dams take up arable land (wind farms doing the same is apparently different, just ’cause)
3) we don’t know what unforeseen negative events could impact us in future where dams are built, like, for example, we may need more farms for food or something…

(Dangerous discussion it seems, danger enhanced due to the beta male – you can tell these things by their attire and constant nodding with his female companion – at the adjacent table was giving me the stink eye).

But back to our table. Now two of the three friends there don’t vote labor, only one is a staunch Labor supporter because Gillard brought her chicken soup one time when she had a cold during their uni days. So I was really amazed at the emotional arguments being proffered as argument against da ebil dams from these intelligent types.

In future, our regular Sunday brunch will need to steer clear of such emotional topics. Not good for the digestion.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 1:24 pm
Alan Jones has apologised, but that is a minor story for the SMH, which is still going after Abbott with the Fitzsimons rant.

Do they even realised he’s apologised? Or are they so caught up in their outrage to eleventy outrage and blaming Abbott that it hasn’t even sunk their thick skulls?

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 1:31 pm
Dead Soul:

4.5 times the risk of dementia, excluding CTE. But hey, let’s guess, that’s a good way to determine risk. Told you years ago that eventually this would become big news in Australia. You laughed then, you laugh now. Perhaps Rugby players don’t mind ending up demented and drooling in their 50′s, like so many USA NFL players. But guess what: parents very much care about their children playing sports which are more likely to induce brain damage than a piss up or worse.

Basically, bugger off you idiot.

I got my own sons into team sports they liked. One’s a Union player (winter, cricket in summer), the rest chose cricket with indoor cricket in winter.

I also introduced them to booze early. And a whole bunch of other ‘dangerous’ activities like shooting, bushwalking etc etc

My sons are now fine young men of whom I am immensely proud. None smoke, none drink to excess, none do drugs, all are married/steady relationships.

part of that reason for that is that they were allowed to be boys, and allowed to prove themselves to the men they looked up to. One of my sons is a very good hunter. When 14 he shot his first big feral pig after a stalk in unfavourable terrain, where he was the ‘hunt leader’. That is when he knew he had been accepted by the men in his family as an equal – one with a lot to learn, but an equal.

The emasculated beta male fathers who forbade their boys from playing team sports over their whiny-arsed worry about poor little Johnny’s safety from harm are now regretting it bitterly.

My sons school peers are now, as young men, trying to ‘prove themselves’ via drug use, killing each other in street racing, drinking themselves into brain damage, getting into drunken streetfights etc.

Boys have to turn into men via some form of a ‘rite of passage’. In my era, a major avenue was via proving your toughness – your manhood – on the football field.

‘Social engineers’ (universally being left-wing ‘intellectuals’ AKA worthless people filled with arrogance, ignorance, ego, spite and venom) hate this concept. They have made much of the last two generations into feminised beta males.

The prices of this is many times the death rate, brain damage rate, and harm rate than in the controlled rite of passage I and my peers used on a football field. because boys try to prove themselves now in uncontrolled ways. Every ‘fail video’ on Youtube shows the result.

So dead soul?

You are an ignorant beta-male arsehole who supports views that maximise the harm to and death of young men. Piss off.

Mk50 of Brisbane

30 Sep 12 at 1:32 pm
3) we don’t know what unforeseen negative events could impact us in future where dams are built, like, for example, we may need more farms for food or something…

If history is any guide, and it should be, we can look forward to a long drought after the wonderful wet seasons we’ve just had.

jumpnmcar

30 Sep 12 at 1:34 pm
Gab, the normal rules of news reporting have gone out the window here. They’re continuing their outrage aimed at Abbott even after Jones’ apology has changed the story. Should knock another cent or two off the share price tomorrow, breaching the 40-cent barrier on its way down.

Tom

30 Sep 12 at 1:40 pm
the normal rules of news reporting have gone out the window here

yes well hatred of Abbott and all things Abbott does provide for a conditioned response regardless of changing events.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 1:48 pm
If this is the scrutiny Abbott get now, imagine when he’s PM!
Look at what CanDo ( Hannibal Newman ) is getting, it’s a disgrace and something or someone is gunna break.

jumpnmcar

30 Sep 12 at 1:56 pm
Oh, well said, Mk50 of Brisbane at 1:32pm.

My son was offered a similar path, and his three younger sisters – team sports (didn’t matter what sport, praise be to Allah the Loose Head it was rugby for him and marvelously brutal hockey for the girls) horses, shooting straight (more or less!), camping way out west, understanding snakes, setting the fire, learning to box, getting grubby and so on.

That set a standard for the girls too and they married blokes of similar bent. They’re all in their 30s now, all filthy capitalist businessmen who employ family only, and I’m determined the grandchildren will get to learn stuff in similar places to me, amongst the wood shavings, linseed oil and sawdust on the floor of my grudge.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

30 Sep 12 at 2:05 pm
Apols, Ape.

I think I might have given him misinformation from the Cat (he’s pleased that I am engaging with people who like football), or perhaps he got similar misinformation from somewhere else. Anyway, all is solved now. But I’ve just realised this is the end of the footy season now, (isn’t it?) so he and his mates will just have to get a little bit Guinnessed together on DVD’s of old re-runs. Or does something else sporting start right up immediately – cricket maybe?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

30 Sep 12 at 2:11 pm
Mick Gold Coast

It works. That’s the thing with it. It works and it’s worked for millennia. It’s how you turn boys into men.

And that’s what the left does not want, they want dependent eunuchs.

Hey, we have a get together every so often, organised through Kae. About time to organise another one.

Wanna come?

If so, email Kae at her blog (http://www.annoyancesandirritations.blogspot.com/).

Mk50 of Brisbane

30 Sep 12 at 2:28 pm
“Very disappointing to find out three intelligent friends, with very responsible private sector jobs, are against dams. After a lengthy – and let’s call it animated – discussion, the argument boiled down to …”

It is at that point, Gab, that I enjoy the debate. Being an old bloke I can recall dams like Warragamba being built and why, and how they’ve succeeded. I’m well versed in how and why some of the potential sites get their potential (none of ‘em ever think it may be party members’ and friend’s land ownership/options to purchase patterns!).

Throw in a bit of history of, for example, the MIA and suddenly their distant and weak understanding of the touted Murray-Darling “solutions” is shown up.

“I was really amazed at the emotional arguments being proffered as argument against da ebil dams from these intelligent types.”

They know so little but feeeeel so much. They see the Murray River from 30,000 feet, in business class en route to the Collins Street branch office. With some knowledge and on the ground experience it is so easy to calmly, quietly dismantle and destroy the base on which their lazy ignorance is founded.

The most alarming thing to me is the uneducated characteristics of the younger educated and “responsible” phalanx of decision makers.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

30 Sep 12 at 2:33 pm
“But I’ve just realised this is the end of the footy season now, (isn’t it?) …”

Oh dear. Oh dear!

Mick Gold Coast QLD

30 Sep 12 at 2:35 pm
I’ve only now read the Fairfax headline on the Fitzsimons piece:

Alan Jones has no shame, but what about Tony Abbott?

This from the man who took a giant crap on the victims of 9/11.

Fitzsimons is a despicable moral coward.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 3:12 pm
When JC regains conciousness, the first thing his wife will do is send him out to replace the dented frying pan.

boy on a bike

30 Sep 12 at 3:28 pm
Antony Green on the upcoming Sydney by-election:

Now all the effort by Labor to re-engage with inner-Sydney voters has been wasted. Not only has the Labor Party chosen to abandon holding a primary to select a Sydney by-election candidate, but it has chosen to ignore local party members altogether by announcing the party will not nominate a candidate for the by-election.

The Labor Party has effectively thrown away any attempt to re-build its own support in inner-Sydney, making a tactical decision instead to try and deny victory to the Liberal Party by leaving a clear path for Independent candidate Alex Greenwich.

There’s lots more at the link.

boy on a bike

30 Sep 12 at 3:34 pm
Ol’ Leatherface and his partisan companions were all over the Abbott/Jones connection.

Fuck he’s a worthless prick.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 3:40 pm
JC returns! Careful mate – if the wife finds you’ve given up on doing the washing up, another frying pan will be dented.

boy on a bike

30 Sep 12 at 3:51 pm
Boy:

Sleep well. That crap would be the least of my fears. Yep, I’ve told her I’m not washing up once a month to save the marriage.

She actually had the temerity to scoff when I suggested that in order to safeguard the marriage saying that I don’t do a thing anyway.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 3:55 pm
I don’t quite get what these morons are demonstrating about.

There’s one placard which says

” No Violence remember Jill Meagher”.

WTF is that supposed to mean.

The woman was brutally raped and then murdered in cold blood. Who on earth would advocate the opposite?

Fucking moron.

THOUSANDS of people have marched down the Melbourne street where slain woman Jill Meagher was last seen alive, joined both in grief at her shocking death and to protest against violence throughout the community.

Families with young children, couples and groups of friends – most of whom never knew the 29-year-old but shared in the horror of her alleged abduction and murder last weekend – formed a crowd stretching well over a kilometre that marched along Brunswick’s Sydney Road from noon today.

Many carried flowers, photos of the late Ms Meagher and placards with slogans urging peace and harmony as they walked from Moreland Road to Brunswick Road.

Local resident Philip Werner, who organised the event, led the march holding a banner that read “Choosing peace, hope, non-violence and solidarity with all women”.

Here’s what I advocate…. Capital punishment for the vermin that committed this atrocity. Any takers in that demonstration? Thought not.

Dickheads.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 3:57 pm
“Choosing peace, hope, non-violence and solidarity with all women”.

Yeah, that’ll convince murderers and rapists to stop murdering and raping.

Fisky

30 Sep 12 at 4:09 pm
Without discussing any specific case, there must be a discussion of almost casually arrogant judicial negligence and Labor lawyers being promoted to the bench. The bullshit about sub judice is being used not to uphold ancient rights but to silence critics of a corrupt and worthless sentencing system.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 4:15 pm
Has Peter Fitzsimons distanced himself for his Fairfax colleague Catherine Deveny’s comment about how Bindy Irwin should get laid?

If not, why not?

So he agrees with Deveny, huh?

Here is the woman the ABC calls in to slander Christians and Liberals.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 4:18 pm
This piece is 2 years old but just a reminder of the fucks we’ve sent our soliders to die for

http://formerspook.blogspot.com.au/2010/12/dadt-afghanistan-edition.html

The vast gulf between U.S. and Afghan attitudes about homosexuality and pedophilia has generated concern among U.S. advisers in Afghanistan since the American presence there began to expand.

In late 2009, U.S. and British forces ordered a study of Pashtun male sexuality. They were worried that homosexuality and pedophilia among Afghan security forces and tribes could create cultural misunderstanding with allied troops, according to a copy of the report obtained by The Washington Examiner.

The study, requested by 2nd Marine Expeditionary Battalion along with British forces in Lashkar Gah, was conducted by members of one of the Defense Department’s Human Terrain Teams stationed in Afghanistan. The report was authored by team member Anna Maria Cardinalli, who said the goal was to learn how to advise “U.S. and British service members who report encounters with men displaying apparently homosexual tendencies. These service members are frequently confused [by] this behavior.”

The report described unease by U.S. Marines and British soldiers who felt they were being propositioned, or who were outraged by apparent acts of pedophilia by Afghan soldiers and police. It documented one case in which 12 of 20 Pashtun interpreters working with one U.S. Army unit had contracted gonorrhea from homosexual encounters.

jtfsoon

30 Sep 12 at 4:21 pm
Without discussing any specific case, there must be a discussion of almost casually arrogant judicial negligence and Labor lawyers being promoted to the bench.

In the future, there won’t be any Labor lawyers because Labor Party identification will be strictly prohibited.

Fisky

30 Sep 12 at 4:21 pm
Right.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 4:23 pm
Okay so now that Abbott has acquiesced to the luvvie bleatings for him to renounce Jones, I’m tipping they’ll criticise Abbott becuase in their view he didn’t go hard enough at Jones and should have expelled him from the Liberal Party. That’ll be the next 48 hour news cycle:”Abbott not sincere in his condemnation of Jones. See, we tolds ya Abbott is a misogynist”.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 4:29 pm
Abbott mystifies me. He’s shell-shocked, is my best guess.

Fight the fuck back, man.

Craig Thomson is still in the ALP.

Go hard, dumbo.

Turn it around.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 4:31 pm
Pietro Citati is right.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 4:32 pm
I don’t know about borrowing the Big Pineapple, Ram, Bull, Prawn, Banana, etc. But they can have the big liar and her sidekick, the big dope, for free forever.

kae

30 Sep 12 at 4:36 pm
I don’t see the problem wither JC.

Gillard is a slutty criminal scumbag with contempt and hatred for her own ctizenry.

To feel a certain way is one thing, to inflict harm wilfully is another.

As for that true love waits fellow…I would never mock him or someone else’s civil lifestyle choice..but to call most of society whores and charlatans…fuck I hope for his wife and soon to be born children’s sake the poor fucker doesn’t work in sales.

.

30 Sep 12 at 4:39 pm
Big Merino, kae

It is not a Big Suffolk, Big Dorset, etc…

.

30 Sep 12 at 4:41 pm
Pedant.

kae

30 Sep 12 at 4:44 pm
Paolucci sounds like an idiot. A place of prayer and contemplation cannot be akin to a bustling train station.

dover_beach

30 Sep 12 at 4:45 pm
Boys have to turn into men via some form of a ‘rite of passage’. In my era, a major avenue was via proving your toughness – your manhood – on the football field.

Sometimes they just grow up.

The prices of this is many times the death rate, brain damage rate, and harm rate than in the controlled rite of passage I and my peers used on a football field. because boys try to prove themselves now in uncontrolled ways. Every ‘fail video’ on Youtube shows the result.

If they are stupid. I think you would have been more than capable to raise non stupid humans if they didn’t play sport.

.

30 Sep 12 at 4:45 pm
kae,

It’s normal. If you get a B Ec you must pass PDNT 1001. I was a country kid too.

We make shit up too. My best neologism to date has been “contemporaneous lamentation”. I think that tops anyting Greenspan ever said.

.

30 Sep 12 at 4:48 pm
Nope, I think ram is reasonable, in keeping with the rest of the big things I named, no specific types identified.

Pfft!

kae

30 Sep 12 at 4:48 pm
Just don’t call the Big Murray Cod, “The Big Fish”!

.

30 Sep 12 at 4:49 pm
Dot, if you’re an economist then you know how they always make things up. New words are created with gay abandon in the halls of academia by economists.

But geez, I’d just made Mother laugh with that and you came along and just destroyed it.

*sob*

kae

30 Sep 12 at 4:50 pm
Looking forward to Storm v. Bulldogs.

Yes, those scrums should be titanic. Just love that fifteen seconds of brutal mayhem before one rugby league scrum prevails over the other, and you’re watching mesmerised, thinking ‘who will it be?’

James in Melbourne

30 Sep 12 at 4:51 pm
Okay (I didn’t want to specifically name them all…) and the Big Murray Cod wasn’t there last time I was at Wagga Wagga beach.

kae

30 Sep 12 at 4:51 pm
Abbott mystifies me. He’s shell-shocked, is my best guess.

Fight the fuck back, man.

Craig Thomson is still in the ALP.

And Craig Emerson is still not only a member but a Minister:

Trade Minister Craig Emerson said: “They think it’s hilarious. When boats go down they think it is funny.”

Dr Emerson later refused to withdraw the remark.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/labor-mps-furious-at-bishops-linking-leadership-woes-to-maldives-coup/story-fn59niix-1226270955366

Ivan Denisovich

30 Sep 12 at 4:51 pm
Go Storm!

dover_beach

30 Sep 12 at 5:30 pm
I have a daughter. If my kid helped steal money, slept mostly with married men and was an inveterate liar, I’d be dying of shame too.

Jones is a leftwing greenie douchebg, but I don’t really see the problem here.

All true. If the man had shame he would’ve sorted her out the first time she broke up a marriage. The 2nd time she should’ve been disowned.

Token

30 Sep 12 at 5:50 pm
Okay so now that Abbott has acquiesced to the luvvie bleatings for him to renounce Jones, I’m tipping they’ll criticise Abbott becuase in their view he didn’t go hard enough at Jones and should have expelled him from the Liberal Party. That’ll be the next 48 hour news cycle:”Abbott not sincere in his condemnation of Jones. See, we tolds ya Abbott is a misogynist”.

Abbott’s comments were much the same as those regarding Bernardi. He’s too gutless to condemn the comments as wrong, so the most he will allow is to gently chide the culprits for ill discipline. In other words: “For God’s sake, don’t tell people what our actual opinions are.” This strategy will ultimately fail, because if you don’t stand up to the extreme wing of your party then no one will respect you.

m0nty

30 Sep 12 at 5:52 pm
heh. Like I said.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 5:54 pm
Hey why the hell is lactose deficient Minister Conroy going on about red underpants?

Tal

30 Sep 12 at 6:00 pm
For a Federal Minister he’d make a so-so local government council member.

blogstrop

30 Sep 12 at 6:03 pm
Bernardi was right, Jones was wrong.

Btw, go Storm!

dover_beach

30 Sep 12 at 6:04 pm
He’s projecting, Tal. He thinks becuase he wears red undies on his head, I’m assuming he does this in private, others should too and he has the unfettered authority to make it so.

Plus he has a sick mind.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 6:05 pm
He’s projecting, Tal. He thinks becuase he wears red undies on his head, I’m assuming he does this in private, others should too and he has the unfettered authority to make it so.

Plus he has a sick mind.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 6:05 pm
Abbott mystifies me. He’s shell-shocked, is my best guess.

Fight the fuck back, man.

Craig Thomson is still in the ALP.

Go hard, dumbo.

I don’t get why people let themselves play the lefties games. The lefties would not apologise if it was them. As CL points out, do you see apologies from Gillard to Wilson’s victims? Apologies from Shagger to the poor HSU workers?

I don’t understand why AJ apologised. It just feeds the fire as the Lefties treated it as weakness.

He should’ve taken the approach he did with the chaff bag comment.

Token

30 Sep 12 at 6:09 pm
Oh ok I thought he wanted everyone to look like Peter Fitzbandana ,my bad

Tal

30 Sep 12 at 6:10 pm
Cronk and O’Neill. Genius. Go Storm!

dover_beach

30 Sep 12 at 6:11 pm
Abbott’s comments were much the same as those regarding Bernardi.

M0nty proves my point. Abbott has to learnt to give no quarter as none is ever offered.

M0nty never has apologised for Shagger, rather he goes for the jugular when an insignificant remark is made about one of the most ferocious political campaigners of all time.

Did Gillard apologise when it was proven her staff & the ACT unions started a race riot?

No, not once, not ever. She attacked Abbott.

Token

30 Sep 12 at 6:11 pm
Seriously, what is it with some of the Canterbury players trying to look like the local inhabitants?
Has Sydney become that bad that it is now cool to look like a jihadi?
Go Storm!!!!!!

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Sep 12 at 6:12 pm
Is Alan Jones even a member of the Liberal Party? Who the fuck cares what that far left green extremist says. Jones is the left’s problem.

Infidel Tiger

30 Sep 12 at 6:13 pm
Remember when Julian Burnside called Abbott a pedophile but later said it was a joke? I don’t remember anyone calling for Gillard to condemn his comments as wrong nor to throw him out of the party. I don’t recall the Labor media getting outraged over the matter.

It’s different when they do it, eh?

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 6:15 pm
Oh ok I thought he wanted everyone to look like Peter Fitzbandana ,my bad

LOL

Token

30 Sep 12 at 6:15 pm
I don’t understand why AJ apologised. It just feeds the fire as the Lefties treated it as weakness.

IF he had shrugged it off as ‘nothing to do with me, old bean’, that would be that.

By apologising, he now owns the comments.

really bad move

Will

30 Sep 12 at 6:15 pm
Has Abbott apologised for Jill Meagher’s rape and murder? It’s as relevant as apologising for something that champagne socialist Jones said.

Infidel Tiger

30 Sep 12 at 6:17 pm
We are living in very strange times.

dover_beach

30 Sep 12 at 6:19 pm
We are living in very strange times.

Dontcha think the estrangement from reality and sheer astounding irrationality of the so-called centre-Left here and in the US is actually frightening?

JamesK

30 Sep 12 at 6:26 pm
Headline tomorrow, ” POM BITES PILLOW BITER “

jumpnmcar

30 Sep 12 at 6:26 pm
JamesK, yes.

dover_beach

30 Sep 12 at 6:31 pm
Fuck me. The Age has two opinion pieces on protectionist, subsidy loving, pinko Jones comments. The left really do eat their own.

Infidel Tiger

30 Sep 12 at 6:34 pm
Remember when Julian Burnside called Abbott a pedophile but later said it was a joke? I don’t remember anyone calling for Gillard to condemn his comments as wrong nor to throw him out of the party. I don’t recall the Labor media getting outraged over the matter.

…and Alan Jones was right, the raving green lefty he is. What sane person wouldn’t be ashamed of Julia Gillard as their child? – A universally reviled and incompetent career politician, a liar, she was proven to be unethical as a dodgy union solicitor, a thief, a wealthy tax cheat who legitimately and illegitimately lives/ed off the public teat and has raised the tax burden on the most poor, the starter of race riots and a home wrecking, communist slag with contempt for anyone who actually is married and now plans to raid the savings of workers she purports to represent.

.

30 Sep 12 at 6:35 pm
“Dogs just can’t get up the right end of the field. It’s really killing them… now … this is a chance.”

Little update from HIA.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B – you are so very fortunate to have been invited into the aura of such a man!

Don’t I just know it, Mick.

He won’t say any more now except calmly: ‘the game is going on … ‘ Suddenly there’s a shout from his chair, he’s up and standing, beer in hand (first one of the game): ‘oh, that’s more like it, keep doing that’.

You would probably fit right in with this aura, Mick.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

30 Sep 12 at 6:36 pm
Huck Chunk

Canterbury-Bankstown is now jihadi central.

kae

30 Sep 12 at 6:43 pm
What sane person wouldn’t be ashamed of Julia Gillard as their child?

Look her father died a short time ago and she’s still grieving. Nothing good would ever come out of a comment like that. It was a low blow and completely unnecessary to demonstrate a point. He may have been ashamed, he may not have but really whose business is it anyway and how does it matter in the political context what Gillard’s dad thought of her behaviour, past and present? A decent parent loves their child no matter their actions.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 6:44 pm
“What does Labour offer,” Ed Miliband has been musing to colleagues, “when there’s no money to spend?”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/9575604/Whats-the-point-of-Labour-whenthe-coffers-are-empty.html

Viva

30 Sep 12 at 6:53 pm
I don’t care, she is a repulsive person, a criminal and a poor Prime Minister who governs to merely to stay in power and stays in power to inflict a very warped moral and economic system on society. She has no remorse if her actions inflict any damage on the nation. She is not a pragmatist or a patriot. I do not adhere to the double standards the whiny left demand.

.

30 Sep 12 at 6:54 pm
I don’t care if Ms Gillard was upset by the remarks as she is not a respectable woman and I would be lying to say I cared about her feelings,

but the elderly widow could be further distressed so it’s poor form on A.Jones part.

candy

30 Sep 12 at 6:59 pm
I am with you and Dot about the PM’s moral worth, Candy, and in my despair at the things that she wishes to inflict upon Australian society. Nevertheless, her personal feelings for her father should be respected, imo anyway, because I deeply respect fatherhood; his feelings about her are actually quite unknown and not our business really. Gab puts it well.

Well said about his wife, the elderly widow. We should not forget her. She is a private person who does not need others to intrude upon her grief and remembrance.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

30 Sep 12 at 7:14 pm
I’ve been quiet about Gillard’s bereavement because I don’t care.

Gillard has been a total inept fuckup as PM, which seems to follow an historical record of ineptitude. I don’t care about her private life, I don’t care about her bereavement.

I. Just. Do. Not. Care.

I want her gone taking with her the inept, crooked cronies who surround her and come the next election I think my wish will come true.

kae

30 Sep 12 at 7:15 pm
Fingers and toes all crossed, Kae.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

30 Sep 12 at 7:24 pm
kae,

I mostly agree with you.

I don’t care about people’s personal lives.

This is what wound me up. Whilst she is unmarried, called all wives whores, broke up marriages and her relationships took on large, shady business deals and then later as an MP she then took an anti gay marriage stance in the name of ‘tradition’…she is just a duplicitous, mean spirited, incompetent sack of crap.

.

30 Sep 12 at 7:26 pm
I want her gone taking with her the inept, crooked cronies who surround her and come the next election I think my wish will come true.

Yeah, me too. But a loathsome comment about her recently deceased father – whether it upset her or not I don’t know – will not make that happen. And it furthers no political cause at all.
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What is nauseating is the carry on from the Labor support team in the media. Jones has apologised and that should be the end of the matter. But no, they will drag this on for days yet, getting more and more outraged and continually linking Abbott with the comment. Fitzbandana Head (thanks, Tal) a case in point with his linking Abbott:

This afternoon, the Opposition Leader said the comments by Jones were completely out of line.

“Alan’s remarks regarding the PM were completely out of line,” he said in a brief statement.

“It’s good that he’s recognised this and apologised for them.”

[And pointedly followed by:]

Let’s hear it now from 2GB and its sponsors, like Challenger. Do you, or do you not want to be associated with this vicious, woman-hating bully?

Pathetic.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 7:28 pm
Fitzbandana Head

Dumbarse must be totally dominated by his wife. What a beta male.

.

30 Sep 12 at 7:36 pm
Well the grappling , salary cap cheating ,Qld talent stealing, scum won their second Trophy.
Should have watched that tourette’s syndrome program on ch7.
Funny as that show.

jumpnmcar

30 Sep 12 at 7:41 pm
Of course anything said against gillard has the ALP big guns (the women mostly) banging on about misogyny.

Gillard is an enormous target because she is useless and stupid (or cunning, but that can go with stupid, too), and she is the PM and a public figure.

Freedom of speech says I can criticise her ineptitude, and that of the people she surrounds herself with, and I will!

Gab
Worse crap has been said about Howard and other Lib/National members and it doesn’t seem to matter to the ALP, just what’s said about their own, particularly the precious gillard.

Again.

I. Just. Do. Not. Care.

Dot, I don’t care that she’s slept with married men. It’s not something I would ever do, ever. But I will not pass judgement on that aspect of her life.

What I will say of that is that is her obvious disrespect of and disregard for others’ marriages really doesn’t look terribly good when she’s got her mates working to undermine Tony Abbott’s obvious support from his family by saying it’s fake and that he has trouble with women.

Tony’s trouble with women is that the thinking ones like him. He’s honest and thougtful, and a good family man (as shown by their support), and that goes a long way with women.

I was amazed in a recent discussion with someone at work where we both said the same thing about gillard, but he said that he didn’t like Abbott as he had a problem with women. I was too gobsmacked to ask what exactly the problem was. I will next time, for sure!

kae

30 Sep 12 at 7:41 pm
Kae, sorry but my sense of irony obviously didn’t come through. I visited Sydney a couple of weeks ago and my taxi took me through Bankstown on the way back to the airport, looks a lot like Coburg in Melbourne but there was a real undercurrent of hostility towards outsiders.
Anyway, I can’t believe how lucky I am to be a supporter of both the Storm and Geelong. Without doubt the 2 most professional and humble sporting clubs in the land (Sydney Swans also up there). The culture of winning with class that these teams exhibit is a credit to all involved.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Sep 12 at 7:55 pm
Remember when Julian Burnside called Abbott a pedophile but later said it was a joke? I don’t remember anyone calling for Gillard to condemn his comments as wrong nor to throw him out of the party. I don’t recall the Labor media getting outraged over the matter.

Game over.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 7:55 pm
JC, I tried to tell you they were giving away free money today because the dumb money in Sydney had made Melbourne a $1.80 favourite when they should have been $1.20-$1.40. You just can’t believe how mortified the NRL were to have it stuck right up them. The end of the game was like a funeral. Storm could actually win three of these back-to-back. And you’ll always get overs because of the dumb Sydney money.

Tom

30 Sep 12 at 7:55 pm
Hi Tom.
Sorry I didn’t see the comment.
I’m not a gambler though. The last time I took a bet in sport was Evander Hollyfied/ Tyson when the idiot Vegas bookies had Hollyfield at 25:1 and I managed to get a 20 :1 bet while the odds were being crushed.

That was in the early to mid 90′s.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 8:09 pm
Good luck, Juanita. You’re at least #4.

blogstrop

30 Sep 12 at 8:10 pm
mk50, me thinks all this talk of alpha and beta males is big bullshit. I gather in your book Albert Einstein would be beta male, right?

Perhaps the most dramatic recent example of a cult of physical strength and male power was Imperial Japan. You know how it all ended.

If you say competetive sport is good for kids, I agree. But I can’t see why they can’t as well prove themselves in basketball, tennis, or soccer. Or even in chess, for that matter.

Boris

30 Sep 12 at 8:20 pm
I meant to say Empire of Japan.

Boris

30 Sep 12 at 8:21 pm
Fat Boy, Monster

Abbott’s comments were much the same as those regarding Bernardi. He’s too gutless to condemn the comments as wrong, so the most he will allow is to gently chide the culprits for ill discipline. In other words: “For God’s sake, don’t tell people what our actual opinions are.” This strategy will ultimately fail, because if you don’t stand up to the extreme wing of your party then no one will respect you.

You mean like this and then this?

Fuck off Fat Boy.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 8:23 pm
Oh, Boris! Why not checkers? Hopscotch?
Perhaps Cat’s Cradle. Boys need to knit, crochet, and do macrame.

blogstrop

30 Sep 12 at 8:23 pm
Great Southern Land, the latest propaganda program on ABC TV masquerading as “general interest” is putting forward the argument that big trees should be protected over a certain volume. But don’t they have a function by dying? Falling down and making way for the little trees?
The Chinese have a saying – if the old don’t go, the new can’t come.

blogstrop

30 Sep 12 at 8:28 pm
I don’t care, she is a repulsive person, a criminal and a poor Prime Minister who governs to merely to stay in power and stays in power to inflict a very warped moral and economic system on society.

Jokes aside, what has come of you, Mark? You said many years ago that while having pretty radical views, you can respect people of a diverse spectrum of views, even including social democrats. Why can’t you still have respect for those who have very diffrent views. I understand it is frustrating but we shouldn’t lose the moral compass.

The values we share are more important than the differences.

Boris

30 Sep 12 at 8:29 pm
Boris

Some people don’t like being lied to and taken advantage of.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 8:31 pm
Gillard is responsible for 1000 deaths at sea – all because she hates John Howard. At one stage, she was going to send women and children to a sex slavery and torture country. Her office orchestrated a race riot which seems to have been designed to both embarrass Tony Abbott and place him in physical danger. She has stood squarely behind an MP who stole half a million dollars from hospital orderlies.

Fuck her sensibilities.

Jones has apologised. Case closed.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 8:46 pm
Yay for the Storm!

Have the Bulldogs’ fan-base started a riot or a jihad yet?

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 8:47 pm
Well well well.

Bob Carr’s former speech-writer makes fun of Mr Gillard’s death.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 8:49 pm
I’m sorry. Did I say former speech-writer?

No. He’s Carr’s current speech-writer.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 8:49 pm
Well well well. Look at what Labor speechwriter Bob Ellis said about the death of Julia Gillard’s father (h/t Bolt):

She fled an important conference, and a meeting with Vladimir Putin, because her father had died at 83, and fled home weeping to Adelaide.

Leaving a battlefield because of a dear one’s death is not what she lets our soldiers do. They must stay, and fight on till battle’s end.

Yet she thinks she is different somehow. She is allowed her girly tears and her time off, playing hookey from her national obligations, her duty.

The latest conference had a day to run. The funeral wouldn’t occur for about five days. There was time to get home and comfort her mum before then. Her sister was on hand, doing so already. Many Australians overseas when a parent dies don’t get to the funeral. That is the way things go sometimes.

But not for Gillard. She is what Schwarzenegger might call a ‘girly man’. She goes AWOL.

The Left and Labor must apologise for this and for Chairman Mao at once.

Fisky

30 Sep 12 at 8:50 pm
SNAP!

Fisky

30 Sep 12 at 8:51 pm
Gillard is responsible for 1000 deaths at sea – all because she hates John Howard. At one stage, she was going to send women and children to a sex slavery and torture country.

Don’t forget that she spent over a year yelling at one of the poorest countries in the world, East Timor, angrily insisting that they had agreed to set up a detention centre despite constant denials. She really is a colonial bully.

Fisky

30 Sep 12 at 8:55 pm
So we have two far left whackos, Jones and Ellis, both making crass comments about the PM’s dead dad. The left are disgusting hate filled vermin.

Infidel Tiger

30 Sep 12 at 8:56 pm
Ellis is a misogynist and a bully.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 8:58 pm
Muslim animals in Pakistan bash Christian bishop unconscious over YouTube video.

“You Christians have offended our Prophet, we will kill you all!”

Fancy linking this religion to violence. It’s absurd!

Ann Coulter, after 9/11:

“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 9:01 pm
Bob Carr is laughing at Mr Gillard’s death.

That’s the only conclusion I can reach given that he fully supports Bob Ellis’s comments and refuses to sack him.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 9:02 pm
Are we sure Carr didn’t write those words and get Ellis to publish them?

Infidel Tiger

30 Sep 12 at 9:04 pm
Muslim animals in Pakistan bash Christian bishop unconscious over YouTube video.

but all the leaders of the West have apologised…the trailer-maker is in jail….much denouncements have occurred at the UN dictator’s fest…so why are the muslims still revolting and attacking? Surely the West’s appeasements would stop that, yes?

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 9:05 pm
Muslim animals in Pakistan bash Christian bishop unconscious over YouTube video.

but all the leaders of the West have apologised…the trailer-maker is in jail….much denouncements have occurred at the UN dictator’s fest…so why are the muslims still revolting and attacking? Surely the West’s appeasements would stop that, yes?

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 9:05 pm
Bob Carr’s former speech-writer makes fun of Mr Gillard’s death.

He’s not former. Carr stuck the loon back on the pay roll as soon as he was appointed to the the senate and the ministerial job.

In fact it was one of the first things he did on becoming senator and foreign minister.

At least that is what I recall.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 9:05 pm
I promise you, I’m only clicking on the ‘submit comment’ once.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 9:08 pm
Boris:

But I can’t see why they can’t as well prove themselves in basketball, tennis, or soccer.

Young men can prove themselves in most team sports. In some single sports it’s also easy (boxing, martial arts, shooting, climbing, kayaking etc) and in some it’s not (tennis, surfing [oddly enough, dunno why] croquet, badminton).

What proves them to themselves and to their peers is the normal millennia-worn mix of courage, physical danger overcome, injury risked or occasioned and phlegmatic calculation and acceptance of risk. An example: the son of mine who led a pig hunt at 14 earned the respect of a cousin (four times his age and an extremely experienced conservation hunter) by assessing the risk of following the boars into ti-tree and forbidding that as we had the wrong firearms for the very short sightlines you get in that terrain.

It’s sad to see young men trying to obtain ‘proof of themselves’ from effing computer games.

I do all the work I can with combating depression in young men – it’s a lethal scourge and THE leading cause of suicide in young males. Good results are being obtained through initiatives such as linking them to the Australian Men’s Shed Movement, getting them a circle of men to prove themselves to, and letting them prove themselves by an appropriate means – which can be as simple as making something difficult, learning a skill that impresses a group of older men, hell, I have seen a young man leave quite serious depression behind him by mastering the art of beach fishing and (as the junior part of a group of experienced fishermen) landing a big jewfish. mastering a difficult art (big jewies are hard fish to catch and are the Holy Grail of beach fishermen).

All this beta male safety and cossetting crap is quite literally killing scores of young men annually – far too many by their own hand.

Boys have to BECOME responsible young men. Rites of passage are needed.

Mk50 of Brisbane

30 Sep 12 at 9:10 pm
So Carr employs a man who attacked Peter Costello’s wife in the grossest possible terms? We can therefore conclude, accurately, that Carr hates women.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 9:12 pm
Did bob ellis have a parent die overseas or something?
what a lot of puzzling dumb tosh he writes.
perhaps he’s drunk

candy

30 Sep 12 at 9:13 pm
In fact it was one of the first things he did on becoming senator and foreign minister.

At least that is what I recall.

You recalled right.

Bob Carr looks to ‘true believer’ Bob Ellis for help with his speeches.

FOREIGN Minister Bob Carr has turned to his former speechwriter Bob Ellis to help recreate some of the trademark rhetorical flourishes he was renowned for as NSW premier.
It’s understood Senator Carr will engage the writer and Labor true believer on an ad hoc basis, helping out with major speeches.

Mr Ellis shared a coffee today with the Foreign Minister’s chief of staff, Graeme Wedderburn, ahead of Senator Carr’s maiden speech tomorrow.

Mr Ellis crafted speeches for Senator Carr when he was NSW premier. He has worked for many Labor figures over the years, including former opposition leader Kim Beazley and former South Australian premier Mike Rann.

Mr Ellis landed himself in hot water last year after questioning on the ABC’s The Drum website if artistically talented child abusers should avoid prison.

He also expressed regret at the number of left-wing politicians whose careers were ended by “sexual complaints” by women.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 9:14 pm
Mr Ellis landed himself in hot water last year after questioning on the ABC’s The Drum website if artistically talented child abusers should avoid prison.

The Labor Party are making exactly the same mistakes that caused British Labour to become toxic: appointing lunatics to various positions, running interference for bigots, funding extremist organisations, and tolerating corruption.

Fisky

30 Sep 12 at 9:21 pm
Did bob ellis have a parent die overseas or something?

Possibly not, at least not recently. I think the fat fuck is well into his 70′s

what a lot of puzzling dumb tosh he writes.

Yep, he’s a moron, I think.

perhaps he’s drunk

scarily I think he’s sober.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 9:24 pm
Any minute now, Peter Fitzbandana will write a scathing article about Ellis’ misogynistic comments about Gillard and demand Abbott apologise.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 9:29 pm
Jones has apologised. Case closed.

I agree. This is very different from justifying the remarks.

Boris

30 Sep 12 at 9:29 pm
Speaking of beach fishing:

http://www.southcarolinasharkfishing.com/massive-tiger-shark/

Wow, a near IGFA record beater.

.

30 Sep 12 at 9:33 pm
Boys have to BECOME responsible young men. Rites of passage are needed.

Even of this is true (in an evolutionary sort of way, with kids growing through the simulated history of humans), there is more than one way to acheive this. People do not live by physical strength alone anymore, if you haven’t noticed.

I am no expert on depression, and respect your knowledge of this. But I do know there are high acheiving professional athletes who suffer from this. This kind of undermines your theory.

Boris

30 Sep 12 at 9:57 pm
Outside of those who are pushed into by their parents kids play sport because its fun. I certainly never played because I thought it was a rite of passage.

sdfc

30 Sep 12 at 10:03 pm
Why can’t you still have respect for those who have very diffrent views. I understand it is frustrating but we shouldn’t lose the moral compass.

I’m disgusted that FauxFacts let the Pirate and the other editors exploit the death of Gillard’s father.

I can’t believe the board and shareholders will have to face that shame. So when will the Pirate and the other FauxFacts editors be issuing their apology?

FFS, being lectured on a moral compass. This is the moral compass of the woman you are defending.

Gillard also denied at first boat people were dying at sea. In 2009, I counted the first 25 bodies, and warned Gillard’s laws were luring people to their deaths.

Gillard also denied at first boat people were dying at sea. In 2009, I counted the first 25 bodies, and warned Gillard’s laws were luring people to their deaths.

WHEN the Opposition repeated my claim, Gillard attacked this “vile slur”, calling it one of the most “dangerous”, “irresponsible” and “despicable” she’d heard in politics, adding: “There is no evidence to support this figure.”

In fact, on rechecking, I found the death toll then was already 42.

She could’ve stopped the deaths if she acted them. Instead it was all about covering her own ass.

Token

30 Sep 12 at 10:06 pm
Great topic to start the weeks of the first debate. I can hear the memory hole opening as I write…

The woman herself called it an Obama Phone. Drudge didn’t give it that name. The vast right wing conspiracy didn’t give it that name. Romney didn’t give it that name.

Why in the world would she think it was an Obama Phone? (h/t Instapundit)

And why would the woman think that all the poor and disabled people in Cleveland were getting free Obama Phones?

Token

30 Sep 12 at 10:11 pm
I am actually disgusted by the repeated claims from the right that the ALP is responsible for the deaths at sea. This is hypocritical. It is obvious that the libs advocate strong ‘boarder protection’ policy not to save lives of boat people but to prevent them ladning in Australia (in line with the feelings of large portions of the population). John Howard, the author of these policies, never suggested that they are designed out of compassion for the refugees.

The people responsible for the deaths are people smugglers and also refugees themselves taking these impossible risks.

Boris

30 Sep 12 at 10:14 pm
Boris, were there boats on the ocean before the policy changed?

Did the people smugglers who beat their clients who get buyers remorse in business before Labor came to power?

Token

30 Sep 12 at 10:17 pm
It is hilarious that you lot are desperately attempting to abandon Jones as a “far left green extremist” and “far left whacko”. The reality is that the centre is abandoning him as a right wing extremist.

Jones says exactly the same things as you lot on every issue, apart from CSG where he is protecting his own commercial interests like a typical hypocritical squattocrat. He is a Liberal right winger through and through. You own him. He’s yours.

m0nty

30 Sep 12 at 10:19 pm
Can’t say I’m sorry the Hawks lost yesterday Monty. Down with the Vics.

sdfc

30 Sep 12 at 10:21 pm
Hey M0nty, no wonder you are a bundle of hate, the Hawks choked when they were a cert for a premiership.

Token

30 Sep 12 at 10:24 pm
Fat boy, Monst

It is hilarious that you lot are desperately attempting to abandon Jones as a “far left green extremist” and “far left whacko”.

Actually we abandoned him long ago, you self deceiving turd. Go read the past threads. There’s not a positive comment about him.

The reality is that the centre is abandoning him as a right wing extremist.

You’re a pollster now fat boy? You know this because you’ve taken a poll?

Jones says exactly the same things as you lot on every issue, apart from CSG where he is protecting his own commercial interests like a typical hypocritical squattocrat.

He’s not protecting any personal interest from economic damage because CSG doesn’t offer up any probable risk, you glutenous turkey

He is a Liberal right winger through and through. You own him. He’s yours.

Fat boy, are you fessing up to owning Ellis? Go on, lets dare you.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 10:25 pm
Hey Boris, so you do agree the Pirate & FauxFacts should apologise for exploiting the death of Gillard’s father right?

How about Bob Carr? That was sick right?

Only a transparent partisan hack would come by and try that concern troll act and not acknowledge when the other team committed a grievous act of exploiting a death for political advantage.

Token

30 Sep 12 at 10:27 pm
Oh and Fat Boy, I pretty much agree with what Jones said. She is a liar and her father, if he was a normal father would have choked back tears learning what the slapper had been up to.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 10:27 pm
Ellis is a misogynist and a bully

He hates everyone Gab but is actually willing to argue the point with all. Check his website he’ll engage with anyone.

Daisy

30 Sep 12 at 10:27 pm
Fuck me m0nty you hypocritical cnut. Are you and your lot going to “own” and take responsibility for Ellis?
I notice that for the last couple of days you have come on here and thrown barbs, but you have not hung around to debate or to cop what is rightfully yours. It is no wonder that you follow Hawthorn as you exhibit the same lack of courage as your team. Birds of a feather and all of that.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

30 Sep 12 at 10:29 pm
Talking about lying Lefties who try to distort the truth for short term political advantage…

…the lilly white race baiters at MSNBC have been caught doctoring a clip of a Romney/Ryan campaign.

Lefties are sick.

BUSTED: MSNBC Doctored Clip From Romney/Ryan Rally

Token

30 Sep 12 at 10:30 pm
Boys have to BECOME responsible young men. Rites of passage are needed.

‘Tis so, mk. Doesn’t really matter what it is, as long as sterner older men give credence to it, women are kept away from it, and boys gain these mens’ approval for their efforts. I salute your work with today’s young boys and the gathering Men Of The Sheds.

The Playing Fields of course were the most usual traditional source of male identity formation and biffo. Once initiated into the rough stuff though, men can continue to make merry in the most masculine of manners with what others might regard as quite unpromising material.

Apparently with some unauthorised rule changes Da Hairy Ape and Roger the Temporary Lodger managed to make croquet a blood sport during their spare time together at Cambridge University, additonal to their rugger and rowing. It’s a vicious, vicious game, Lizzie, says Da Ape as we pass by the octogenarians at play on the local club lawn.

If men are more and more restricted in their options, we may yet live to see the emergence of crafted string macrame for men, at ten paces, with penalties for near-garrotting and points for tying an opponent up in fancy knots. You can’t keep all that testosterone under a fig-leaf of feminist invention. Men are men.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

30 Sep 12 at 10:30 pm
are you fessing up to owning Ellis

No, he’s a knobhead. Carr should drop him like a stone.

m0nty

30 Sep 12 at 10:31 pm
The attempt by lefties to attack Abbott vicariously through Jones has failed within the space of 24 hours. Despicable failures.

dover_beach

30 Sep 12 at 10:33 pm
Nah, Daisy, I’ve been there before. Nothing much to see except for the bile and hate.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 10:33 pm
Outside of those who are pushed into by their parents kids play sport because its fun. I certainly never played because I thought it was a rite of passage.

It’s not as if the latter cannot be fun.

dover_beach

30 Sep 12 at 10:36 pm
Get ‘em into the Army.
EOS.

Winston Smith

30 Sep 12 at 10:36 pm
No, he’s a knobhead. Carr should drop him like a stone.

You despicable hypocrite, fat boy. So you think it’s okay for you to disown that nutcase.. a nutcase Carr has on the taxpayer payroll but we can’t disown Jones.

Fuck, you’re a horrible debator, Fat boy. You have more holes in your line of arguments than the three dozen Kripy Kreams you sock away at each morning sitting.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 10:37 pm
Liz loved the ballet clip but the russian was far too thin. See Madeleine Eastoe (australian) for a true ballet dancer with the “look”.
Boys will be boys and we need to encourage that, though don’t know how to get past the schoolnazis.

Daisy

30 Sep 12 at 10:38 pm
You can’t keep all that testosterone under a fig-leaf of feminist invention.

they’ll try to bred testosterone out of the male species. In some cases, it seems they have already succeeded.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 10:40 pm
Gab thats true but he stands and defends.

Daisy

30 Sep 12 at 10:42 pm
No, he’s a knobhead. Carr should drop him like a stone.

Lol, beaten like a red headed step child.

Jones gave a speech, Bob Carr is great mates with, and gets the tax payer to pay Bob Ellis to write Bob Carrs speeches.

So now let’s hear you damn Bob Carr personally for his associating with this misogynist loon, demand Gillard censure Carr and kick Ellis off the payroll and then lets see you demand the ABC and Fairfax run the Carr / Ellis disgrace front page.

If you are not in fact the opportunistic ALP shill you look like this will all be no problem for you.

twostix

30 Sep 12 at 10:42 pm
but he stands and defends.

So what? No offense, Daisy, you obviously respect Ellis, I’m afraid I don’t. He’s a vicious arrogant egotistical frump and rather looney.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 10:48 pm
No actually I dont respect him at all Gab. But I’m always always surprised when the egotistical, self aggrandized engage.

Daisy

30 Sep 12 at 10:52 pm
Even of this is true (in an evolutionary sort of way, with kids growing through the simulated history of humans), there is more than one way to acheive this. People do not live by physical strength alone anymore, if you haven’t noticed.

Excellent point. The evolutionary reality is this. Even up to 20,000 years ago the Cro Magnons were on average the equivalent of Front Row Forwards, with bigger brains to boot. Body size has been shrinking for most of homo sapien history because big brains make huge demands upon metabolism. A big body and a big gut rob the brain of nutrients. In the modern world physical strength is mostly irrelevant. The way forward is above the neck, not below it. So today our rites of passage are finishing school, getting a degree, but getting laid tops all those. So the evolutionary dynamics are still in play but one of the remarkable features of human psychology is the paradoxical situation where our brains can transcend our genes. As Edelman noted long ago:

167
Diderot’s view of human consciousness opened up the possibility that
to be human was to go beyond mere physics.

170
The workings of the mind go beyond Newtonian causation. The workings of higher-order memories go beyond the description of temporal succession in physics. Finally, individual selfhood in society is to some extent an historical accident.

175
At a certain practical point, therefore, attempts to reduce psychology to neuroscience must fail.

I am no expert on depression, and respect your knowledge of this. But I do know there are high acheiving professional athletes who suffer from this. This kind of undermines your theory.

I’m no expert on depression or psychology but I have friends who are and I rely on their opinions. A large percentage of depression is self limiting, whether or not we should be rushing to medicate all depressives is a very difficult question. If you look closely at the data on antidepressants you might be surprised to learn that the difference between placebo response and medicated is not that large which is why many abstracts begin with something like “we need better treatments”. Unfortunately the medical profession typically interprets that as “we need better drugs”. Depression, and all psychiatric conditions, are very poorly understood at the physiological level. Depression is not a disease just in the body but lies at the interface of the organism and the environment.

“The Shed” movement was probably inspired by a like organization, The Mankind Project. I know someone was in the MKP for 3 years. He is now taking an antipsychotic and antidepressant for severe anxiety and depression. So I approached my friends for an opinion because they have professional experience with such movements. One described such movements as “bullshit”, another as “toxic”. I wouldn’t go that far because it presumes that all men need the same treatment. That is a fundamental failing, we really are individuals so stop prescribing universal solutions.

I cannot find any decent studies on these movements and I have bugger all faith in anecdotal reports. I don’t even trust observational studies let alone what members of such groups report! I do believe these movements are helping some people but in the absence of reliable analyses I can never be confident about that belief.

In the USA the risk of depression in the 1950′s was 2%, the risk now is 25%. Änxiety is the most common mood disorder and the latest analyses state that 46.4% of all USA citizens will experience anxiety\depression at some point in their lives. In the under 30′s some claim the rate is increasing and out of control. (Note: figures are off the top of my head so may be slightly off but not by much).

We may be “teaching” people to become depressed. Jesse Prinz, in his outstanding text, “Beyond Human Nature”, suggests that by focusing on depression, talking so much about it, we are giving people a script that facilitates depression. I do have concerns about what I call “emoting circle jerks” because introspection is not a good strategy for anxiety or depression, in fact it is often precisely a major problem. We can change our mood by our behavior but too many psychologists seem to think we can talk ourselves into feeling better. Perhaps, it does work for some, but if you closely at the studies on CBT you will find short term benefits eroded over the long term.

Good on you Mark for being involved in helping those teenagers. This is a serious problem and one that is getting worse. Keep it up.

Dead Soul

30 Sep 12 at 10:57 pm
So you think it’s okay for you to disown that nutcase.. a nutcase Carr has on the taxpayer payroll but we can’t disown Jones.

I did not disown him. Carr, and by extension the left, should disown him. He’s a fool, and Carr does himself a disservice by associating with the old duffer.

You lot, on the other hand, are trying to pretend that Jones is not even your problem to begin with. Typical cowardice on your part, you never take responsibility.

And for 26, the reason Jones gets front page treatment and Ellis is forgotten is in proportion to their media clout. Ellis has none, he’s a nobody these days. Jones has a big audience and still likes to pretend he’s a kingmaker, a myth that is currently being demolished.

m0nty

30 Sep 12 at 10:59 pm
Yes, monty’s right. It is always different when they do it.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 11:01 pm
Shut up fat boy. You’re a horrible debator and also very stupid.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 11:13 pm
Ellis has none, he’s a nobody these days. Jones has a big audience and still likes to pretend he’s a kingmaker, a myth that is currently being demolished.

No m0nty, your lies don’t work here. The “real” reason that it’s front page news is that leftists like you gleefully thought you had a real juicy smear and “gotcha” moment to run against Alan Jones in order to “demolish” him, while linking it to the Libs and specifically Tony Abbott for good measure.

That’s why.

But now that half baked narrative has been thoroughly neutralised as we find out that Bob Carr’s long time mate, tax payer funded speech writer and ALP cult icon said something just as “bad” you’ve totally lost momentum on it.

You were hoping to “demolish” Alan Jones and now all you’ve succeeded in doing is exposing what a bunch of grubs the ALP, it’s various hangers on and media sycophants are.

Job well done.

What’s interesting to see the difference in your own personal judgments though:

Alan Jones: Misogynistic extreme right nutjob
Bob Ellis: “Old Duffer”.
Radio Personality: King Maker
Speech writer for and great mate to the Foreign Minister: “A nobody”.

twostix

30 Sep 12 at 11:16 pm
You’re a horrible debator and also very stupid.

That’s your whole argument? Must be past your bed time, old man. The Mogadon has kicked in.

m0nty

30 Sep 12 at 11:18 pm
The “real” reason that it’s front page news

… is that it’s grand final weekend and there’s nothing else happening.

m0nty

30 Sep 12 at 11:20 pm
… is that it’s grand final weekend and there’s nothing else happening.

Oh dear.

So it’s officially been downgraded from being something so big that it was going to “demolish” the “King Maker” Alan Jones to a story that is only being run because the news week is so slow there’s nothing else to print.

Poor old m0nty you’ve just got no heart for it anymore.

twostix

30 Sep 12 at 11:29 pm
… is that it’s grand final weekend and there’s nothing else happening.

Oh dear.

So it’s officially been downgraded from being something so big that it was going to “demolish” the “King Maker” Alan Jones to a story that is only being run because the news week is so slow there’s nothing else to print.

Poor old m0nty you’ve just got no heart for it anymore.

twostix

30 Sep 12 at 11:29 pm
CA Shuts Down Fifty-Year-Old Burger Joint For Having Counters Too Tall.

Thanks to a lawsuit, Americans With Disability Act being cited, Ford’s Real Hamburgers, a local fixture for more than 50 years, is closing its doors.

Video.

Gab

30 Sep 12 at 11:30 pm
Regarding Jones and Ellis, I think it is quite healthy to acknowledge that there are morons and nasties on both sides. This does not mean that either side is evil.

Boris

30 Sep 12 at 11:32 pm
Regarding Jones and Ellis, I think it is quite healthy to acknowledge that there are morons and nasties on both sides. This does not mean that either side is evil.

Ah the “pox on both their houses” panhandling.

What a joker, the left own “ugliness” lock stock and barrel – they regularly promote the worst offenders to taxpayer funded status.

Devney
Hardy
Ellis

Shall we go on?

But what we certainly should acknowledge is despite these people regularly featuring on ABC and ALP endorsed products we never see front page news about them for instance saying that a Liberal MP “has the face of a rapist” and ALP shills feigning outrage that they should be denounced and cutoff.

twostix

30 Sep 12 at 11:44 pm
So it’s officially been downgraded from being something so big that it was going to “demolish” the “King Maker” Alan Jones to a story that is only being run because the news week is so slow there’s nothing else to print.

It may yet demolish Jones, and it’s a slow news week. Your brain may not be large enough to hold both concepts in it at once, 26.

m0nty

30 Sep 12 at 11:51 pm
I am actually disgusted by the repeated claims from the right that the ALP is responsible for the deaths at sea.

It’s not a “claim.”

It’s a fact.

The Labor government is responsible for 1000 deaths.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 11:51 pm
Monty today:

It may yet demolish Jones…

Monty, 7 Jul 12:

Slipper will probably return to the speaker’s chair…

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 11:53 pm
Bolt’s embarrassing Carr/Ellis reminder shows that the Foreign Minister hates women, believes child abusers ‘with talent’ shouldn’t be jailed and that the death of Gillard’s father is a cause for embittered politicking and amusement.

We know this because he employed Ellis, refuses to distance himself from him and has so far refused to apologise for associating with him.

C.L.

30 Sep 12 at 11:57 pm
Yea right Fat Boy…as a result of Jones calling the lying slapper a liar and claiming that her dad died of heartbreak as a result of reading/hearing about the slapper putting out for married men, abetting embezzlement and becoming the union bike, his aging listeners aren’t going to turn the dial to his station and listen to his rants anymore.

You really are a fat idiot, Monst. Stay off the Krispy Kreams as the sugar intake is fucking with your small brain.

JC

30 Sep 12 at 11:58 pm
Monty today:

It may yet demolish Jones…

Monty, 7 Jul 12:

Slipper will probably return to the speaker’s chair…

and

“you don’t really need hetrosexual sex”.

JC

1 Oct 12 at 12:00 am
Slipper will probably return to the speaker’s chair…

The week’s events have done nothing to decide that one way or the other.

you don’t really need hetrosexual sex

LOL, you lot think the science isn’t settled on whether IVF works or not. Clowns.

m0nty

1 Oct 12 at 12:11 am
Bolt calls for action on the Carr/Ellis scandal:

Bob Carr ought to send a message to the extremists who cheered and applauded and laughed at that appalling blog post. Bob Carr ought to make it clear that those people are denounced by him as well – and that Bob Ellis will never again be employed to write speeches for Labor, and certainly not at the taxpayers’ expense.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 12:15 am
War on Campbell Newman misfires for ALP as Newspoll shows LNP holds lead

THE vocal backlash against Campbell Newman’s cost-cutting drive – and federal Labor’s attempts to demonise the Queensland leader as part of its campaign against Tony Abbott – have failed to dent the popularity of the Premier and his Liberal National Party.

A Newspoll survey published exclusively in The Australian today reveals Mr Newman has come through the turbulent opening to his premiership with almost all of the voter support that delivered a crushing state election victory to the LNP six months ago.

Despite the Gillard government’s efforts to portray his purge of the state public service and cutbacks in government spending as the curtain-raiser to what the Opposition Leader would do in government, the Queensland electorate has kept faith with Mr Newman.

Please. Keep it up Labor, keep talking, keep sledging, keep up the smears as it’s working I tells ya.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 12:17 am
Ahahahahahahahaha.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 12:19 am
“We may be “teaching” people to become depressed”

from Dead Soul at 10:57pm.

Oh ain’t that the truth!

Driving to Brisbane on Friday I availed myself of my 8 cents and listened for a bit to the ABC for the news. One ABC petal was talking to a senior Head Office ABC petalette about the people in their Melbourne office, where the murdered Brunswick girl had worked for all of 7 or 8 months.

Within a minute and a half the ABC petal asked the senior girl if Melbourne ABC petals were being offered counselling. They continued for minutes then, not about street crime but about the struggle of the office staff to cope with life. Unbe-bloody-lievable!

“I’m no expert on depression or psychology but I have friends who are and I rely on their opinions.”

I don’t!

I had a psychologist and his psychiatrist wife as neighbours a few years back – lots of money, sumptious house, dead set loony tune dills. I recall them coming home to find they’d been burgled and they had no idea what to do other than panic – it was like leading children through a paddock avoiding the cow pats – “The bad men have been gone for a while now, put the kettle on.”

I commend MK50′s remarks about properly educating young men in life and dismiss those of so many others.

Spend a lifetime doing what he does, or preparing them for their rugby, in all roles – not merely as learned former player or coach but also as orange boy or strapper working quietly in the sheds before they take the field, listening to what they say and do and understanding the value they place on what they are doing. Then you’ll understand better what MK50 is talking about.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

1 Oct 12 at 12:36 am
Mark Latham: Leave Julia alone!

MARK Latham has lashed the media and conservative commentators over their treatment of the Prime Minister, accusing them of “dragging our politics down to American levels” and waging an unprecedented campaign against Ms Gillard.

[...]

Mr Latham, who last week called on his old party to increase its attacks on Tony Abbott’s past, said Coalition parliamentarians had driven recent reporting of allegations over Ms Gillard’s conduct while she was a partner with law firm Slater & Gordon in the 1990s.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 12:47 am
I had a psychologist and his psychiatrist wife as neighbours a few years back – lots of money, sumptious house, dead set loony tune dills.

One example does not make a claim. Who are you going to rely on for insight? You gotta start somewhere so tell me where do you start. In case you haven’t noticed, the advent of modern interventions in psychiatric illness has massively reduced the need for asylums. By your logic I can dismiss any professional opinion.

Then you’ll understand better what MK50 is talking about.

Australia is one of the most sporting nations on earth yet we still have high rates of youth suicide so that argument aint gonna wash. “Properly educating men” = we have the perfect way for all men to be men. Some people respond well to team sports but strong introverts often don’t. Enough with these generalisations about how we should raise our children. Any parent knows that each kid requires individual attention, not some group program.

Dead Soul

1 Oct 12 at 1:24 am
Where I agree with mk50 is that I also detest the sanitaised environment. Kids should, by and large, encouraged to play sports, if only to channel the restless energy in a positive way (but also because it is healthy for both body and mind, and also fun).

But ‘encourage’ does not mean ‘force’. My dad tried a lot to introduce me into various sports but I was a lost cause. I earned respect of peers in other ways.

Boris

1 Oct 12 at 1:37 am
The Fairfax zombies are upset: Alan Jones apologised, but he is refusing to kiss Julia Gillard’s arse:

Jones’s apology was undermined when he used the opportunity to continue his attacks on Labor policies, including the carbon tax. He likened the anger about Labor’s policies to the anxiety suffered by troops at Gallipoli.

”In the trenches of Gallipoli people made black-humoured comments about facing death,” he said. ”A lot of people today feel they have got their backs to the door.”

He denied he had previously made offensive remarks about Ms Gillard, including calling her ”a lying bitch” or saying she should be guillotined.

But last year Jones read out an email he had received from a listener, which said: ”Please, please don’t have that lying bitch on your program again”.

Tom

1 Oct 12 at 6:18 am
I notice the concern troll went to pox on both their houses when Ellis’ over the top remarks were revealed. He still hasn’t condemned FauxFacts for exploiting the story to score crass political points.

I see PvO has predictably joined the media queue seeking to crassly exploit the issue.

Cut & Paste points out the rancid way the hypocritical ALPBC bloviated on the issue while ABC management endorse the Chaser boys latest tasteless piece laughing at the death of someone.

Token

1 Oct 12 at 6:32 am
Pity the concern troll is a ‘denier’ about the over 1000 deaths that resulted from Gillard’s policy which the ALP implemented.

Even Labor us not so crass.

Token

1 Oct 12 at 6:34 am
If men are more and more restricted in their options, we may yet live to see the emergence of crafted string macrame for men, at ten paces, with penalties for near-garrotting and points for tying an opponent up in fancy knots. You can’t keep all that testosterone under a fig-leaf of feminist invention. Men are men.

I’d pay to see that lol.

nilk

1 Oct 12 at 6:37 am
I had a psychologist and his psychiatrist wife as neighbours a few years back – lots of money, sumptious house, dead set loony tune dills.

Unfortunately I have had some contact with a woman who has psychology degree (although she didn’t complete her masters in it, thank God).

All I will say is that I agree.

nilk

1 Oct 12 at 6:43 am
Michelle Grattan admits the real agenda on the Jones comment is to get Abbott:

IN THIS toxic political climate, the appalling comment that shock jock Alan Jones made about the death of Julia Gillard’s father has now become part of the wider battle between Labor and the Coalition.

The government is attempting to tar Tony Abbott with the behaviour of Jones, who told a Sydney University Liberal Club function that John Gillard had died ”of shame” over his daughter’s lies.

Cabinet minister Craig Emerson claimed this represented ”the culture that Abbott and his sidekicks seek to promote in the Liberal Party”.

Alan Jones at his press conference. Photo: Dean Sewell

Jones is close to Abbott and the Liberals and his excesses are hard for them to deal with.

You are judged by your friends and your reactions in times like this. Malcolm Turnbull’s response was instant and impeccable: Jones’ remarks were cruel and offensive, he tweeted. In a more insipid reaction, Abbott called them ”completely out of line” but by the time he got that on the record, Turnbull had had his say and the issue had gone wild on social media.

In the next hour or two, the SMH and The Age will open their websites to “register your hatred of Alan Jones here” comments — a convenient surrogate war on behalf of the ABC, which is being thrashed by Jones in the ratings.

Tom

1 Oct 12 at 6:52 am
Today in Islam:

Tunisian Woman Raped by Police Faces Six Months in Prison for “Indecent Exposure”.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 7:03 am
I earned respect of peers in other ways

Yes, I can imagine. Boris, you’re just another troll joining the herd here, and yes, your favourite party has given in to evil.

Blogstrop

1 Oct 12 at 7:03 am
On the depression and sport thing, when we were kids, we were always active, playing sport at school, out of school, riding bikes, playing outside etc. Now, many kids play no sport at all, spend hours at school which do very limited amoutns of sport, spend hours at after school care, and are generally inside most of the time. I think that sport is important,not so much as a right of passage, but as an important part of growing up, teaching team work, discipline, developing friendships, interactions with adults and others outside their school friends etc. It is important for boys as well as girls.

As someone who has suffered from depression (after I had my kids but not before), I find regular sport and exercise an integral part of keeping it a bay. And is it not just the exercise, it is the social aspect as well. Others that I know that have suffered depression say similar things. Perhaps rather then new drugs and drug trials, that research should be done to look at the link between organised sport and exercise and the rate of depression in the community, as well as its effectiveness as part of a treatment programme.

dianeh

1 Oct 12 at 7:12 am
Jones is close to Abbott and the Liberals and his excesses are hard for them to deal with.

Craig Thomson is a member of parliament.

Bob Ellis – employed by Labor – thinks Mr Gillard’s death was hilarious. He also wants child molesters with talent to be spared imprisonment.

Bob Carr (childless, like Gillard) has refused to condemn these views.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 7:13 am
monty – IVF is not a picnic.

The female has to undergo daily needle injections, take strong medicine to boost her hormones, constant vigil on her cycle and numerous insemination procedures by strangers / doctors before she has a slim chance at it. Yes of course we know it is possible.

In comparison, a bloke (likely her husband / partner / lover) pumps for a few seconds and presto.

Yeah, I can see women the world over telling us men to go jump because they are off to the clinic for that wonderful experience of IVF.

Moron.

pete m

1 Oct 12 at 7:14 am
In comparison, a bloke (likely her husband / partner / lover) pumps for a few seconds and presto.

Love the old saying, “This won’t take long did it”

Rudiau

1 Oct 12 at 7:27 am
Michelle Grattan admits the real agenda on the Jones comment is to get Abbott:

What a suprise, Day 2 of exploit the death of Gillard’s father to get Abbott.

Will there any pearls left in the country after this round of pearl-clutching?

Token

1 Oct 12 at 7:32 am
Michelle Grattan admits the real agenda on the Jones comment is to get Abbott:

What a suprise, Day 2 of exploit the death of Gillard’s father to get Abbott.

Will there any pearls left in the country after this round of pearl-clutching?

Token

1 Oct 12 at 7:32 am
Nanny Roxon has really got the handbag swinging today. Like a good socialist ban ban ban. Ban the Parrot, ban the Parrot.

Nanny knows best.

H B Bear

1 Oct 12 at 8:41 am
Alan Jones is on the nose big time and eating his crow hot today – regardless what the intractible JC thinks.
The good thing about social media is that many more people get to have their say about this ageing smart mouth with a dubious past. Alan Jones is the troll in this case – and the thousands that have called his behaviour into account via twitter – tweet wahtever to advertises and online petitions – including I might add Tony Abbott – are all fairies.

Beautiful democracy and freedom of speech at work – time to go now Al.

The era of shock jocks swaying opinions with blunt force rudeness and bad manners is over. So is the era of radio having such a large impact on people – who is listening?. The internet has arrived and its a sign that tired biased loudmouthed views “said loud and said long and repeated often” just aremt cutting it anymore.

People get their information from many more places than 2GB and thats what the advertisers also realise.

Alice

1 Oct 12 at 9:17 am
Alan Jones is on the nose big time and eating his crow hot today – regardless what the intractible JC thinks.
The good thing about social media is that many more people get to have their say about this ageing smart mouth with a dubious past. Alan Jones is the troll in this case – and the thousands that have called his behaviour into account via twitter – tweet wahtever to advertises and online petitions – including I might add Tony Abbott – are all fairies.

Beautiful democracy and freedom of speech at work – time to go now Al.

The era of shock jocks swaying opinions with blunt force rudeness and bad manners is over. So is the era of radio having such a large impact on people – who is listening?. The internet has arrived and its a sign that tired biased loudmouthed views “said loud and said long and repeated often” just aremt cutting it anymore.

People get their information from many more places than 2GB and thats what the advertisers also realise.

Alice

1 Oct 12 at 9:17 am
There seems to be a bit of a problem with comments today (and no, I don’t mean someone has given Alice her weekly keyboard access). it seems to go blank after you try and post a comment. A lot of people end up double posting by hitting the refresh button.

Alice, no one here are fans of that agrarian socialist Alan Jones. But I bet his ratings will rise after this.

entropy

1 Oct 12 at 9:29 am
In the next hour or two, the SMH and The Age will open their websites to “register your hatred of Alan Jones here” comments — a convenient surrogate war on behalf of the ABC, which is being thrashed by Jones in the ratings.

More to the point, 2GB is flogging Fauxfacts’ 2UE, the shameless sacker of Michael Smith whose sole ‘error’ was to tell the truth.

Steve of Ferny Hills

1 Oct 12 at 9:31 am
As predicted, Fairfax has now opened its “Hate Alan Jones here” comments, complete with a childish gotcha poll, which the foaming zombies are lapping up like some primitive 14th century witch burning.

Tom

1 Oct 12 at 9:48 am
Alice

Sure he said something inappropriate and disrespectful, but that’s no reason for personal abuse being heaped upon him everywhere as I see happening today.

he’s not a politician to be taken to account, he’s not being paid by the Commonwealth

candy

1 Oct 12 at 9:48 am
The good thing about social media is that many more people get to have their say about this ageing smart mouth with a dubious past. Alan Jones is the troll in this case – and the thousands that have called his behaviour into account via twitter – tweet wahtever to advertises and online petitions – including I might add Tony Abbott – are all fairies.

Yep, and thousands to his defence.

Catherine Deveny @CatherineDeveny 15h
Hey @HarveyNormanAU. Alan Jones is a hater and a misogynist. We’re boycotting you until you pull your adverting budget from 2GB.

Barb @BabsNation 15h
Hey @HarveyNormanAU You know @CatherineDeveny hopes 14-year-old girls “get laid” and hopes eds who fired her get “arse cancer”, ya? #2GB

Barb @BabsNation 15h
Hey @StGeorgeBankYou know @CatherineDeveny hopes 14-year-old girls “get laid” and hopes eds who fired her get “arse cancer”, ya?

Terry Barnes @TerryBarnes5 14h
@CatherineDeveny tweeting for boycotts of Alan Jones’s sponsors? Hypocrisy and temerity, thy name is Catherine. Get thee hence. #auspol

H/T A.Bolt

Rudiau

1 Oct 12 at 9:50 am
The good thing about social media is that many more people get to have their say about this ageing smart mouth with a dubious past. Alan Jones is the troll in this case – and the thousands that have called his behaviour into account via twitter – tweet wahtever to advertises and online petitions – including I might add Tony Abbott – are all fairies.

Beautiful democracy and freedom of speech at work – time to go now Al.

The era of shock jocks swaying opinions with blunt force rudeness and bad manners is over.

http://rwdb.blogspot.com.au/2011/05/julia-heart-bolta.html

Ivan Denisovich

1 Oct 12 at 10:03 am
Andrew Bolt yet again shows his flaky, need for “I’m-a-nice-chap” popularity above all other objectives by pursuing Alan Jones in a second headline piece.

Sure, he’s done a couple of pieces on Comrade Carr’s and Forty Cents Fairfax’ opportunism but why would he have a second crack at Jones when Labor’s caravan has already moved deeper into the mire as it tries to capitalise on Comrade Evil Witch’s father dying?

His feeble equivocation reminds me of that politician’s mantra along the lines of: “I have a firm policy stance on this issue but, if it proves unpopular, I do have another policy.”

Mick Gold Coast QLD

1 Oct 12 at 10:05 am
Two major sponsors (Freedom & Challenger) of the Alan Jones show have withdrawn their sponsorship because AJones’ apology wasn’t sincere enough in their view. Apparently ABC24 is contacting other sponsors….what? to strong arm them? AJones wasn’t even on air when he made the remark.

Albasleezy now giving presser about “hateful” AJones and is blaming Abbott for this. What I said would happen has now come to pass.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 10:06 am
This is good. Labor is now ramping this up to eleventy against Abbott – essentially now saying Abbott must stop making personal attacks against Gillard.
This too will backfire on Labor.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 10:09 am
This is good. Labor is now ramping this up to eleventy against Abbott – essentially now saying Abbott must stop making personal attacks against Gillard.
This too will backfire on Labor.

The only way this backfires is if Abbott listens and obeys, since the personal attacks have coincided with a resurgence in the polls by Gillard. The more Abbott refuses to squash this kind of abuse from his side, the more the voters turn off him and his party.

m0nty

1 Oct 12 at 10:13 am
“This too will backfire on Labor”

I do hope you are right Gab. Too few voting dills see only the screeching headline and not the pattern of reporting, and make no effort to discover agendas beyond that.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

1 Oct 12 at 10:16 am
Breaking News!

The Goreacle is not a Carbonic Messiah – he just a thieving, swindling, lying, hypocritical sack of shyte.

See here.

Spewing CO2 as his private jet circles the world, Captain Carbon Chakra™ trousers those delicious six-figure consulting fees from NGOs and cons the gullible retards of the Holy Gaian Church with high-priced fees for preaching the Evil Carbonical Dogma of more wind and solar to save the world from Carbothermageddon.

Now, you’ll be asking yourself, where does the Goreacle INVEST the money he cons from the gullible? In wind and solar industries? Bwahahahahahahahaaaa…. don’t be stupid.

He’s a lying swindling sack of crap and a conman, but he’s not an idiot

In particular, none of the companies produces solar panels, wind turbines, or biofuels. Instead, what you find are mundane commercial real estate, biotech, and healthcare companies, aside from Amazon, Procter and Gamble, Colgate Palmolive, Polypore (whose stocks they doubled: production of membranes for batteries and filters), and others.

And the real estate? Coastal properties mostly. Funny how he’s preaching to the gullible about thirty-foot sea level rises, eh?

How gullible are the conned carbonic clowns who swallow his garbage hook, line and sinker? Just have a look at Shitfer and Monty and you’ll get the picture.

They Belieeeeeeve Captain Carbon Chakra™, you see.

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 10:18 am
I think you’re wrong, monty. People are not so stupid as to not see how Labor are making hay out of Jones’ comments. This ramping it up and blaming Abbott is going too far and is seen as opportunistic. Had Labor and their media arm kept the condemnation to a minimum people would respect that but this outrageous outrage now condemning all liberals and especially Albasleezy’s allegations that Abbott personally attacks Gillard, is going to far.

Like I said, I hope they keep it up for days. People will also remember all the abuse hurled at HoWARd by Labor and their minions and labor will continue to be seen for the hypocrites they are. So really, it’s a win.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 10:19 am
New York Post: Obama administration blames US troops for Afghan ‘allies’ murdering them:

Afghan security forces, our supposed allies, are slaughtering American troops. Thirty-three soldiers have been killed by “green on blue” attacks this year alone. The situation is so bad that the training of Afghan forces has been temporarily suspended.

How has the Pentagon responded?

By blaming our troops.

Top officials believe culturally offensive behavior is the motivation behind the killings, so it’s stepped up Islamic sensitivity training for our troops.

If you don’t want to be shot in the back by your Afghan training partners, the Pentagon advises, don’t offend their religious sensibilities. Don’t kick your feet up on a table, for instance, and never ask to see a picture of their wives and kids. “There’s a percentage [of attacks] which are cultural affronts,” Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey said in a recent interview.

Dempsey echoes the concerns of Gen. Sher Mohammad Karimi, the Afghan National Army’s chief of staff, who earlier this month argued both sides need to do more to “teach” foreign troops Islamic traditions and values to reduce the chance of violent reactions to cultural slights.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 10:20 am
Gees you’re a fool. AbbottAbbottAbbott is not responsible for Alan Jones – well, not like Comrade Thommo PantsDown is Comrade Julia PantsDown’s responsibility.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

1 Oct 12 at 10:21 am
You make me sick, Alice.

Alan Jones is on the nose big time and eating his crow hot today – regardless what the intractible JC thinks.

When will Gillard be held accountable to any standards? What about the slurs about Abbot? SHE STARTED A FUCKING RACE RIOT. SHE IS THE PRIME MINISTER. WHAT A GODAWFUL WOMAN.

When will Gillard eat crow?

Oh that’s right you don’t want her to. The duplicity of the left on this issue is astonishing. This manufactured outrage is such bullshit. People say nasty things about people when they kick the bucket, or simply the deceased, all of the time. Um, what about Keating’s comments about Downer’s father etc? No comment from braindead leftists, who think Gillard will shower them with mana from heaven as the budget blows out worse than Britney Spears without her handlers.

Abbot – not guilty of anything of consequence, held to account, smeared by smarmy luvvie dears and supported by a network of suckholes protesting free speech, has been respectful to those in the past he seemingly deingrated (e.g, the unemployed as Minister in charge of DEEWR).

Gillard- uses her prerogative powers to stop things going to press, cabinet Minister supports bizzare anti free speech laws, blatantly lies to the electorate, will not answer serious criminal allegations that prima facie means she’s in a heap of shit, a home wrecker whose affairs were of a business like nature, calls 90% of Australian mothers (married women) whores.

Spot the fucking difference, moron?

You support the most shameful government in our history bar Bligh or the usurper Macarthur. You have no problem with a double standard in media standards because you love this Government so much.

Tell us Alice, how much better off is the average taxpayer now? Are they more free? Should Gillard be allowed to hush up questions about her legal ethics and have a double standard about slurs and insults from the left to the centre right? Besides – Jones has moved to the left. He is as right wing as Malcolm Fraser was in practice.

Sure Abbot will be a soft left Catholic. The jokes about the DLP are valid. The best we can hope, is that like Howard, he will pay off the debt and be competent. You are somehow outraged at either of these possibilities.

As long as the handouts continue, you are for duplicity, crassness and a crook in charge. Only outsiders to or persona non grata of the Greens, ALP and union officialdom are accountable.

.

1 Oct 12 at 10:23 am
The more Abbott refuses to squash this kind of abuse from his side, the more the voters turn off him and his party.

From the analyst who predicted Peter Slipper’s inevitable return to the Speaker’s chair.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 10:23 am
Incompetent affirmative action recipient, Nicola Roxon – humiliated by James Ashby last week and about to be sued for illegal comments – says Alan Jones has gone too far.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 10:27 am
It’s instructive to see Labor baying for Abbott’s blood over this and demanding that Abbott do this and do that to a private citizen. Methinks they all believe they have “unfettered power” over citizens.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 10:28 am
so it’s stepped up Islamic sensitivity training for our troops.

Come on CL, you know what that means: always wear a bullet proof vest.

Dead Soul

1 Oct 12 at 10:29 am
the personal attacks have coincided with a resurgence in the polls by Gillard

No, they haven’t. Keep watching.

Tom

1 Oct 12 at 10:29 am
When will Gillard be held accountable to any standards? What about the slurs about Abbot? SHE STARTED A FUCKING RACE RIOT. SHE IS THE PRIME MINISTER. WHAT A GODAWFUL WOMAN.

When will Gillard eat crow?

When will she apologise for the 1000 people who have drowned at sea because she hates John Howard?

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 10:29 am
When will Gillard eat crow?

Election night.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 10:31 am
Abbott: surf lifesaver, fireman, Aboriginal township volunteer, house inferno hero.

Gillard: 1000 dead.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 10:32 am
“This too will backfire on Labor””

hard to tell. Alan Jones has enjoyed a lot of support in Australia, he’s up and out there with his opinions and seems to want the best for Australia, he’s not a pretender.

Portraying him as evil for one disrespectful comment is extremely unkind.

candy

1 Oct 12 at 10:33 am
This twitter thing can be useful. A little dialogue this morning.

Peter van Onselen blames The Aus editors for the fact he didn’t mention Ellis.

Token @lokicat_

@vanOnselenP still silent about disgusting words by ALP employee Bob Ellis ellistabletalk.com/2012/09/12/the… #auspol #ozcot

Peter van Onselen @vanOnselenP

@lokicat_ actually I have said I’ll be raising that and the tweet by Bowen’s wife & others…. #getyourfactsstraight

Token @lokicat_

@vanOnselenP your would’ve placed it in your article in the Australian if #getyourfactsstraight was important to you

Peter van Onselen @vanOnselenP

@lokicat_ no bc the piece was on Jones and there were space limits. Write to the paper if u don’t like those editorial realities…

So its not PvO, its all the editors fault.

Token

1 Oct 12 at 10:34 am
Gillard has provided comfort for many husbands in their time of need.

Infidel Tiger

1 Oct 12 at 10:36 am
I wonder if this outrageous outrage would be so if Gillard was a man.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 10:37 am
Gab, it worked so well for Qld Labor, I’m not surprised that this party of wrongologists is doing it again.

Winston Smith

1 Oct 12 at 10:38 am
Anyone else believe that crap from the toady who said this instead of asking some hard questions?

HOST: Can I just ask one question on this and then we move on – last question. Why not just put it all out there? I believe you, that you did nothing wrong. I made a comment on Friday on my show the Contrarians that I thought this is all a beat-up and that we should move onto the major issues. But why not just address it straight down the barrel so that we can move on and all of the scuttlebutt that goes on online, which frankly I’m sick of people emailing me about this, we can just move one from it.

PM: Well Peter let me welcome but also question your grand naivety. The people who are dealing with this online in their malicious and motivated way would not stop no matter what explanation I gave.

Token

1 Oct 12 at 10:38 am
Peter van Onselen blames The Aus editors for the fact he didn’t mention Ellis.

Heh. I notice PVO hasn’t published my comment to him on his article, pointing out what Ellis said. I made the comment around 12.15am this morning…

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 11:02 am
The morning TV shows were flogging this dead horse from go to woe this morning, and completely silent about Carr/ Ellis. What a disgraceful bunch of court eunuchs they’ve become.

BTW, are there any depths Emerson will not plumb?

dover_beach

1 Oct 12 at 11:07 am
Anyone else believe that crap from the toady who said this instead of asking some hard questions?

Hell, even the Red Dalek dismisses PvO. It is indicative that she welcomes his grand naivety; if even Gillard puts you down to your face, then you have zero clout or credibility.

Cold-Hands

1 Oct 12 at 11:08 am
Heh. I notice PVO hasn’t published my comment to him on his article, pointing out what Ellis said. I made the comment around 12.15am this morning…

That’s why I got onto Twitter, unfortunately the Aus is going the way the Courier Mail.

Token

1 Oct 12 at 11:11 am
AJ makes this point yesterday that shouldn’t be ignored:

A person, apparently a journalist, represented himself to the organisers as a Liberal student and paid the Liberal student entry fee, but he’s not a student.

He registered for the evening with an email address which concealed the fact that he was a journalist.

And without notifying or seeking approval from the organisers or the speakers, he apparently taped the speech.

Where the Listening Devices Act fits in relation to such behaviour is interesting.

But if people at private dinner parties have to wonder whether someone is secretly taping proceedings for reproduction to any media outlet that wants them, then it seems that no one is safe on a Saturday night from details of the evening being later revealed.

That does not mean that comments made privately or publicly should be such as to give offence to another, should those comments be made public. But I wonder if such reporting behaviour occurred at a Labor Party dinner, what the response might have been.

Interesting to find out if it is legal to tape & broadcast someone without permission now.

Token

1 Oct 12 at 11:15 am
What is more, only last week, the wife of a federal government minister tweeted to the extent that Alan Jones won’t have to be endured for much longer as the average age that males live to in Australia is such that he won’t be with us for long.

Or words to that effect.

Nice stuff.

And the social media yesterday were wishing my cancers to return, except this time, the hope was expressed that they should finish the job.

Token

1 Oct 12 at 11:16 am
BTW, are there any depths Emerson will not plumb?

Lecturing, was he?

Trade Minister Craig Emerson said: “They think it’s hilarious. When boats go down they think it is funny.”

Dr Emerson later refused to withdraw the remark.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/labor-mps-furious-at-bishops-linking-leadership-woes-to-maldives-coup/story-fn59niix-1226270955366

Ivan Denisovich

1 Oct 12 at 11:17 am
BTW, are there any depths Emerson will not plumb?

I have an evil mind and thus will not touch this comment.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 11:18 am
unfortunately the Aus is going the way the Courier Mail.

News Ltd is the new Fairfax.

dd

1 Oct 12 at 11:26 am
unfortunately the Aus is going the way the Courier Mail.

News Ltd is the new Fairfax.

dd

1 Oct 12 at 11:26 am
When will she apologise for the 1000 people who have drowned at sea because she hates John Howard?

Probably at about the same time the Howard apologies for getting us involved in the Iraq war for weapons of mass destruction which didn’t exist. Civilian casualties of over 100,000 just from direct violence, not counting many more who died indirectly from the destruction of infrastructure.

Chris

1 Oct 12 at 11:28 am
Where did you get the graph, Gab?
I can’t magnify it enough to read it.

Winston Smith

1 Oct 12 at 11:35 am
Chris repeats the mantra of “No WMD” as if it will prove the evidence wrong.
Tell it to the people in Halabja.

Winston Smith

1 Oct 12 at 11:45 am
Romney in the lead – poll.

DRUDGE:

POLL: 43% of voters certain they will vote for Romney. 42% certain they will vote for Obama. Remaining 15% either uncommitted or open to changing mind…

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 11:48 am
Winston, if you click on my gravatar pic, then on the pop-up, you should get a full page of the graph.

I dun stole it from Spot’s twitter page – LHS midway down.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 11:51 am
Chavez to Obama: I’d vote for you, and you for me

CARACAS, Sept 30 (Reuters) – With both presidents facing tight re-election fights, Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez gave a surprise endorsement to Barack Obama on Sunday – and said the U.S. leader no doubt felt the same.

“I hope this doesn’t harm Obama, but if I was from the United States, I’d vote for Obama,” the socialist Chavez said of a man he first reached out to in 2009 but to whom he has since generally been insulting.

Chavez is running for a new six-year term against opposition challenger Henrique Capriles, while Obama seeks re-election in November against Republican candidate Mitt Romney. Venezuela’s election is next weekend.

“Obama is a good guy … I think that if Obama was from Barlovento or some Caracas neighborhood, he’d vote for Chavez,” the president told state TV, referring to a poor coastal town known for the African roots of its population.

Chavez is one of the world’s most strident critics of Washington and his 14 years in office have been characterized by diplomatic spats and insults at the White House.

He called former U.S. President George W. Bush a “drunk” and the “devil.” After an initial overture to Obama came to nothing, he said the new president had disappointed progressives the world over and was the “shame” of Africans.

JamesK

1 Oct 12 at 11:52 am
Here’s another instructive graph:

Borrowings per day by Australian Prime Ministers.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 11:54 am
McTernan’s clerks were all emailed their script for today.

ALP spokesman Phil Coorey brings the forum:

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 11:58 am
Carbothermageddon.

Excellent, MK50. One for the inheritors of Dr. Johnson’s dictionary.

On matters linguistic, last night’s bedtime reading of linguist David Crystal’s “By Hook or by Crook” somewhat comforted me for my occasional apostrophic mistake, and others may similarly be pleased to have at least one worldly woe removed in this current political vale of tears, so I indulge (please skip if disinterested):

“The apostrophe was in fact one of the last punctuation features to come into English orthography, and it has never setled down. In texts from around Shakespeare’s time we see it being used repeatedly for plurals and third-person singulars in verbs. In the opening plays of the First folio we find fellow’s, et cetera’s, it’s lips, how fare’s my lord, answer’s (the verb), go’s (the verb) and dilemma’s.

“Even as late as Johnson’s day, the system was still developing. There are no longer any plural apostrophes after a consonant, but there are several after nouns ending in -o or -a. In the Dictionary we find him allowing such spellings as grotto’s, innuendo’s, supercargo’s, virtuoso’s, volcano’s, and echo’s as well as comma’s, opera’s, cupola’s, savanna’s, vista’s and toga’s.

“In the nineteenth century, printers and publishers attempted to standardize the system, but they still left some anomalies. They applied the rule about possession rigorously to nouns, but forgot about pronouns, so that the possessives his, hers, its, ours, yours and theirs don’t have an apostrophe. They banned the apostrophe from plurals, but allowed a number of exceptional cases, such as after the numerals (the 1860′s), abbreviations (the VIP’s), and individual letters (P’s and Q’s)

People found it difficult to apply the rules consistently, right from the start.”

Quite up-cheering, isn’t it? Anyone can have an apostrophically ‘unsettled’ day is my take on it. He also points out that names are variously given apostrophes, or not. Starbucks not, MacDonald’s yes (except that the web refuses apostrophes in URL’s – even MacDonald’s has had to give way – and so perhaps apostrophes are on the way out anyway). That would be apocalyptic, although not carbothermageddon.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

1 Oct 12 at 12:01 pm
Study compares libertarian minds to those of conservatives and left-liberals:

Perhaps more intriguingly, when libertarians reacted to moral dilemmas and in other tests, they displayed less emotion, less empathy and less disgust than either conservatives or liberals. They appeared to use “cold” calculation to reach utilitarian conclusions about whether (for instance) to save lives by sacrificing fewer lives. They reached correct, rather than intuitive, answers to math and logic problems, and they enjoyed “effortful and thoughtful cognitive tasks” more than others do.

Dangph

1 Oct 12 at 12:02 pm
Romney in the lead – poll.

DRUDGE:

POLL: 43% of voters certain they will vote for Romney. 42% certain they will vote for Obama. Remaining 15% either uncommitted or open to changing mind…

What a complete joke you are, CL. Even Rasmussen, which is in the tank for the GOP, now has Obama leading by two points. You’re a terrible partisan shill. Obama is strolling to a landslide victory.

m0nty

1 Oct 12 at 12:04 pm
Obama is strolling to a landslide victory.

LOL

JamesK

1 Oct 12 at 12:08 pm
Chris the Gullible Idiot:

Civilian casualties of over 100,000 just from direct violence,

Bwhahahahaha!

Leftards still trot out that utterly discredited Lancet bullshit. Ah, fact-free emotive gullible stupid people. Where would the left and Al Gore be without them?

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 12:08 pm
Monty the perfessional wrongologist:

Obama is strolling to a landslide victory.

Cripes. I did not realise Romney was going to win so crushingly!

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 12:09 pm
“He also points out that names are variously given apostrophes, or not. Starbucks not, MacDonald’s yes”

I thought that was because MacDonald’s is a possessive?

“(except that the web refuses apostrophes in URL’s – even MacDonald’s has had to give way – and so perhaps apostrophes are on the way out anyway)”

Australia Post has ditched them for place names.

Jarrah

1 Oct 12 at 12:10 pm
The Drudge Report on Romney’s lead is from Rasmussen Report…

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 12:11 pm
Wa-Po: Romney or Obama? Political scientists make their predictions

The 13 projections are contained in the new issue of PS: Political Science and Politics, which is published by the American Political Science Association. Eight of them project that Obama will win the popular vote; five say the popular vote will go to Romney. But the degree of certainty in those forecasts differs. One projection favoring the president says there is an 88 percent certainty that he’ll win, while two others forecasting Obama say there is only a 57 percent certainty.

JamesK

1 Oct 12 at 12:12 pm
The ABC TV news at 12 was totally preoccupied with the Jones affair. Was there nothing more important happening in the nation or the world? They are absolutely determined to be the propaganda arm until “disarmed”.

blogstrop

1 Oct 12 at 12:13 pm
Yes, Gab. Read the article. First par.

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows President Obama attracting support from 48% of voters nationwide, while Mitt Romney earns the vote from 46%.

m0nty

1 Oct 12 at 12:14 pm
That’s Daily, monty. The third paragraph shows Romney just in the lead.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 12:15 pm
“Leftards still trot out that utterly discredited Lancet bullshit.”

The 100,000 figure is the Iraq Body Count Project (or the Associated Press, or the US military – all have similar numbers). Not the Lancet.

What was that about stupid people?

Jarrah

1 Oct 12 at 12:15 pm
“He also points out that names are variously given apostrophes, or not. Starbucks not, MacDonald’s yes”

I thought that was because MacDonald’s is a possessive?

Yes, but so is Starbucks. They named their store after a character from Moby Dick called Starbuck. (Thanks, Wikipedia.)

Dangph

1 Oct 12 at 12:18 pm
The ABC Radio noon Current Affairs program The World Today has spent its first eight minutes on the Jones business. They’ve been statements from Albanese & Roxon, stories whipping up a consumer boycott of Jones’ sponsors and of course, attempts to tie Jones to Abbott. “Our ABC” is leading the witch hunt. I expect next weeks Media Watch will excoriate this partisan propaganda. /sarc.

Cold-Hands

1 Oct 12 at 12:21 pm
What do you expect?

Roxon was made a clown of by by pursuing the Ashby and then opened the government up to more liability by a follow up blunder.

A pack attack about a non-issue was desperately needed to distract from the Labor gaffe machines.

Token

1 Oct 12 at 12:24 pm
Back to British Bulldog (I was away yesterday on a “road trip” with Mrs O’Dea to Young, NSW, and environs).

What was odd was that us boys at a Catholic school would play a game with such an empire-building name.

And yes, even the more swotty boys, like me, wanted to have a go. If you didn’t mind getting thumped a bit, and better still got a beaut scar on your knee, you would feel pretty good about yourself afterwards.

“Don’t tell mum”.

Julian O'Dea

1 Oct 12 at 12:24 pm
That’s Daily, monty. The third paragraph shows Romney just in the lead.

The fourth paragraph, which is what you’re talking about, is merely a measure of the softness of the votes. What it actually shows is that the undecideds are falling Obama’s way, which is a bad sign for Romney.

m0nty

1 Oct 12 at 12:37 pm
Obama’s way, which is a bad sign for Romney.

LOL

Independents are split or lean Romney.

What happened to your: “Obama is strolling to a landslide victory”, m0nty?

Or is that just a “bad sign for Romney” too?

JamesK

1 Oct 12 at 12:40 pm
Hey JamesK, what happened to your boy Santorum swinging the race back to the GOP with his crucial campaigning effort?

m0nty

1 Oct 12 at 12:43 pm
I watched Albanese’s presser today. IIRC, he made a comment about not giving Jones’ remarks any oxygen, and then pulled out his bellows and fanned the flames for half an hour. Of course, as usual, Abbott is the root of all evil. Apparently political discourse has never been so uncivilised. Obviously he hadn’t seen Keating’s book of insults. Apart from saying that he saw the PM on Saturday, didn’t mention her or her emotional state once. When questioned about Bowen’s wife’s tweet about Jones, he shrieked: “can we leave politician’s families out of this?”. He wasn’t even challenged. Fme…

Skuter

1 Oct 12 at 12:57 pm
US Board of Geographic Names, said “word or words that form a geographic name change their connotative function and together become a single denotative unit. They change from words having specific dictionary meanings to fixed labels used to refer to geographic entities. The need to imply possession or association no longer exists”.

But David Crystal points out that local placename campaigners fighting a rearguard for the apostrophe have won regarding Martha’s Vineyard, Ike’s Point, and Carlos Elmer’s Joshua View – on grounds of conveying meaning or heritage attributions.

Gee – if I’d had to apostrophise Starbucks I would have treated it as a plural ‘their’ and put the apostrophe after the ‘s’. How wrong would I have been! It is a singular name. Traps for the unwary.

It is easy to be an apostate with apostrophes.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

1 Oct 12 at 1:01 pm
I should also add that Albo backed Roxon’s comments about the Ashby case. I hope Ashby’s lawyers were watching and took notes…

Skuter

1 Oct 12 at 1:08 pm
Not all miners share the Gina/Clive approach. As reported a couple of days ago:

In a speech yesterday, Rio’s head of coal in Australia, Bill Champion, said the company recognised the value of action on climate change.

”The scale of the necessary emissions reductions and the need for adaptation, coupled with the world’s increasing requirements for secure, affordable energy, create large challenges,” he said.

”We support a co-ordinated global approach to reduce emissions. Until that is in place, as well as after, we recognise that it will be necessary for individual jurisdictions to take actions.”

Rio Tinto had factored a carbon price into its investment decision-making for the past 10 years, Mr Champion said. ”We factor into our planning and decision-making, including our choice of investments, the costs and associated risks of emissions and business disruption, as well as the costs and benefits of mitigation and adaptation, and the opportunities created for our business by the move to a low-carbon economy.”

Etc.

But I am sure that people here would prefer the “fly in Monckton” approach.

steve from brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 1:09 pm
Why do the mainstream media – along with the police – keep publicising what people are saying online about the Meager murder accused, while discouraging publicity for such comments? Why don’t they just take their own advice and STFU? It’s complete and utter bullshit that the trial will be aborted.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 1:09 pm
Hey, Steve. You sure have been quiet about Ashby.

How come, buddy?

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 1:11 pm
Santorum campaigns at Barnesville festival

BARNESVILLE, Ohio —

Thousands gathered in Barnesville Saturday for the pumpkin festival, and Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Penn., made his way there to campaign with U.S. Rep. Bill Johnson, R-Ohio.

“Sen. Santorum is very well thought of here along the river, and it’s great to have him here not only to celebrate the pumpkin festival but to advance the pushback on the war on coal,” said Johnson.

Santorum spoke to a big crowd at the Veterans Memorial Plaza, shook hands and signed autographs. He said since his last trip to the Ohio Valley, some things are still the same.

“The issues are the same, what we talked about last time are very much the same,” said Santorum. “The objective when I was out here last time was to defeat Barack Obama.”

The Obama campaign responded to Santorum’s stop in Belmont County.

NEWS9 received this message from the campaign: “President Obama believes economic growth comes from the middle out, not the top down. He wants to see everyone pay their fair share and will protect and strengthen Medicare. Eastern Ohio families simply cannot afford the Romney-Ryan plan, and that is why they will be supporting the president this fall.”

JamesK

1 Oct 12 at 1:14 pm
ps. I am doing apostrophes because I have just not been able to tolerate the political discourse around the Alan Jones matter. Talk about Labor luvvie media overkill given the track record of Labor on scumbag and duplicitous behaviour. Note behaviour, full on action, like Thompson, Slipper and Gillard, not just a flawed comment by a politically free-lancing all over the place old has-been airwaves geezer, behaviour in which the PM is thoroughly implicated. Abbott has nothing to do with what Alan Jones thinks.

Let me reiterate for the benefit of the slow.

Abbott has nothing to do with what Alan Jones thinks.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

1 Oct 12 at 1:14 pm
Jarrah:

The 100,000 figure is the Iraq Body Count Project (or the Associated Press, or the US military – all have similar numbers). Not the Lancet.

The first survey published on 29 October 2004, estimated 98,000 excess Iraqi deaths for the period 2003-2004.

The Iraq Body Count Project has 110,000 2003-2011.

It must be nice and simple to be a dull left-wing shill like you, Jarrah, for in your world two years 2003-2003 is the same as nine years 2003-2011.

yes, you idiot, what was that about stupid people?

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 1:20 pm
Barone: When it comes to polls, readers beware

As a recovering pollster (I worked for Democratic pollster Peter Hart from 1974 to 1981), let me weigh in on the controversy over whether the polls are accurate. Many conservatives are claiming that multiple polls have overly Democratic samples, and some charge that media pollsters are trying to discourage Republican voters.

First, some points about the limits of polls. Random-sample polling is an imprecise instrument. There’s an error margin of 3 or 4 percent and polling theory tells us that one out of 20 polls is wrong, with results outside the margin of error. Sometimes it’s easy to spot such an outlier; sometimes not.

In addition, it’s getting much harder for pollsters to get people to respond to interviews. The Pew Research Center reports that it’s getting only 9 percent of the people it contacts to respond to its questions. That’s compared with 36 percent in 1997……….

I don’t believe that any of the media pollsters have been tilting their results in order to demoralize Republicans, though I do look with suspicion on the work of some partisan pollsters.

But I do have my doubts about whether samples with more Democratic Party identification than in 2008 are accurate representations of the electorate. Many states with party registration have shown big drops in registered Democrats since then.

Pollster Scott Rasmussen, who weights his robocall results by party identification, adjusted monthly, has shown a much closer race than most pollsters who leave party identification numbers unweighted. So has the Susquehanna poll in Pennsylvania.

JamesK

1 Oct 12 at 1:21 pm
From the Weather Isn’t Climate Department:

all time Antarctic sea ice extent record set

Lazlo

1 Oct 12 at 1:24 pm
There might have been some benefit to Labor in the Jones remarks but, unfortunately, the overkill from pond scum like Albanese, Emerson and soon-to-be-sued Nicola Roxon has cancelled out the advantage. Once again, Labor’s unhinged hatred of Tony Abbott has backfired.

Hey, time for a flashback: lying turd Julia Gillard lies about top secret plans regarding Tony Abbott’s timetable for visiting Afghanistan.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 1:25 pm
Both joannenova.com.au and its backup are down again. Jo’s taking a break but the DDOS never sleeps…

Cold-Hands

1 Oct 12 at 1:29 pm
Rio’s head of coal in Australia, Bill Champion

Surveying the landscape, smoothing ruffles, hedging bets, while busy paddling off to explore another stream. Da Hairy Irish charmer does this in his job all the time; anyone involved at a senior level in running a large organisation has to do this.

I had an altercation at the pool yesterday with some fool who got in the way. Da Ape came over and in full hirsute display in his little budgie smugglers did a great smoothing job so all were happy and peace reigned in the lanes of da pond.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

1 Oct 12 at 1:29 pm
If Alan Jones was a Lefty and had said a similar thing about Tony Abbott, there can be no doubt that the ethics of journalists attending private functions under-cover, recording them in full and waiting to pounce on any indiscretion would have been fully and lavishly discussed by an appalled media who also would have connected it with News Ltd’s UK operations.

To be clear, we have no issue with under-cover journalism. We think Alan Jones’s remarks were depressing and vile. The PM’s Dad had every reason to be very, very proud of his daughter’s public service and her achievements therein.

The comments won’t be the end of Alan Jones but suggest that he is probably much closer to retirement than had generally been realised.

But what is clear is that there’s a double-standard applied to different types of journalism, depending on whether we like the outcome of it or not. And those who would hang Alan Jones from the highest tree are the worst offenders.

UPDATE: Listening to Melbourne ABC talkback on Alan Jones suggests those pretending public broadcasters have higher standards than their commercial rivals are clearly mistaken. Even Jon Faine got in on the act, apparently discouraging one caller from committing an act of violence against Jones because he “enjoys spanking.” Many of the callers made homophobic suggestions or implications.

http://www.vexnews.com/2012/10/sickening-alan-joness-comments-and-the-humbug-of-jones-haters-are-equally-unedifying/

Ivan Denisovich

1 Oct 12 at 1:30 pm
Frightened Democrats pre-emptively managing failure:

DNC spokesman thinks Mitt Romney will win first presidential debate.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 1:30 pm
The PM’s Dad had every reason to be very, very proud of his daughter’s public service and her achievements therein.

Nonsense.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 1:32 pm
Jones’ private comment about the death of John Gillard was insulting but it is the Labor Party who are now using his death for political purposes in a public manner.

That is about as low as you can go.

Viva

1 Oct 12 at 1:36 pm
I should add too that the altercant (?) and I swam contentedly away then in our lower-achievers lane, with the result being he didn’t try to move into Da Ape’s speed swimming traverse, leaving the Hairy One with his very own lane, all to himself.

So he wasn’t just rescuing his damsel in distress. Cynical, moi?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

1 Oct 12 at 1:37 pm
Re Ashby: I haven’t followed closely what the settlement story is, to be honest.

Of course, CL and other here were themselves poo-pooing Ashby’s approach when the story first came out. Ashby has won himself $50,000, no future in politics (given other revelations about his erratic behaviour and private life, as well as his highly suspicious long meetings with a politician more than happy to see Slipper sunk) and an uncertain future re his litigation with Slipper.

I am open to arguments that Roxon was wrong to come out swinging like she did, but politically she has probably caused no harm.

steve from brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 1:38 pm
liar-steve®:

…to be honest.

ROTFLMAO

JamesK

1 Oct 12 at 1:40 pm
given other revelations about his erratic behaviour and private life

Yeah, it was amazing how all that stuff just started appearing out of nowhere when the legal proceedings heated up. What a coincidence. It was almost as if there was a team of people digging up stuff from his past, or something.

dd

1 Oct 12 at 1:49 pm
Re Ashby: I haven’t followed closely

I believe you, Steve. Don’t listen to the others.

dd

1 Oct 12 at 1:50 pm
Fast and Furious Scandal: New Details Emerge on How the U.S. Government Armed Mexican Drug Cartels

On January 30, 2010, a commando of at least 20 hit men parked themselves outside a birthday party of high school and college students in Villas de Salvarcar, Ciudad Juarez. Near midnight, the assassins, later identified as hired guns for the Mexican cartel La Linea, broke into a one-story house and opened fire on a gathering of nearly 60 teenagers. Outside, lookouts gunned down a screaming neighbor and several students who had managed to escape. Fourteen young men and women were killed, and 12 more were wounded before the hit men finally fled.

Indirectly, the United States government played a role in the massacre by supplying some of the firearms used by the cartel murderers. Three of the high caliber weapons fired that night in Villas de Salvarcar were linked to a gun tracing operation run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), according to a Mexican army document obtained exclusively by Univision News.

Univision News identified a total of 57 more previously unreported firearms that were bought by straw purchasers monitored by ATF during Operation Fast and Furious, and then recovered in Mexico in sites related to murders, kidnappings, and at least one other massacre.

As part of Operation Fast and Furious, ATF allowed 1,961 guns to “walk” out of the U.S. in an effort to identify the high profile cartel leaders who received them. The agency eventually lost track of the weapons, and they often ended up in the hands of Mexican hit men , including those who ordered and carried out the attack on Salvarcar and El Aliviane, a rehabilitation center in Ciudad Juarez where 18 young men were killed on September 2, 2009.

In Mexico, the timing of the operation coincided with an upsurge of violence in the war among the country’s strongest cartels. In 2009, the northern Mexican states served as a battlefield for the Sinaloa and Juarez drug trafficking organizations, and as expansion territory for the increasingly powerful Zetas. According to documents obtained by Univision News, from October of that year to the end of 2010, nearly 175 weapons from Operation Fast and Furious inadvertently armed the various warring factions across northern Mexico.

“Many weapons cross the border and enter Mexico, but that [Fast and Furious] number, quantity and type of weapons had quite an impact in the war in this area” Jose Wall, an ATF agent stationed in Tijuana from 2009 to 2011, told Univision News.

VIDEO: Univision exposes Mexican massacre by the Cartel using guns from Fast and Furious
Posted

JamesK

1 Oct 12 at 1:55 pm
You are a dickhead Stevieliar QC.

tiny dancer

1 Oct 12 at 1:56 pm
Jones’ private comment about the death of John Gillard was insulting but it is the Labor Party who are now using his death for political purposes in a public manner.

That is about as low as you can go.

Yep. Labor’s high octane vilification of Jones and, of course Abbott, sees them scoring political points out of a tragedy. Gillard naturally won’t put a stop to this – she’d much prefer her father’s death to mean something politically.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 2:05 pm
Whatever it takes to get those polls numbers up.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 2:05 pm
Re Ashby: I haven’t followed closely what the settlement story is, to be honest.

LOL.

Whenever Steve is beclowned he claims he wasn’t even following the story.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 2:12 pm
FATHERS and same-sex partners will receive two weeks’ paid leave under a federal government scheme aimed at giving dads more time off to help care for their baby.

Pity Labor is against same sex ‘marriage’ then.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 2:14 pm
The economists and fiscal policy advisors of the CFMEU now dictating to the RBA.

MORE worrying figures about Australia’s manufacturing sector should compel the Reserve Bank to cut interest rates by at least half a per cent, the construction union says.

The CFMEU has urged the RBA to act decisively when it meets on Tuesday, saying the jobs of one million Australians are at risk.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 2:17 pm
They of course don’t care about da dadz (being men).

No no. Feminists love ‘paternity leave’ because it normalises the ideological doctrine that there is nothing inherently superior about motherhood and men are just as vital to babies as women. (Which is, of course, crap).

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 2:18 pm
Chris Kenny unhappy with one of the court jesters (Stephen Spencer):

@sspencer_63 This is the last time I ask, Spencer. Unequivocal correction and apology please. You were wrong.

Via Twitter

Woolfe

1 Oct 12 at 2:28 pm
Re the Jill Meagher march:

Some signs indicated that women should not feel coerced into once again feeling fear.

Trouble is there will always be predators on the streets – the capacity to feel fear is what often keeps us safe.

Viva

1 Oct 12 at 2:30 pm
What was that exchange about, Woolfe?

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 2:31 pm
“Trouble is there will always be predators on the streets – the capacity to feel fear is what often keeps us safe.”

someone should have insisted on escorting her home no matter if she protested. the streets at that time will never be safe for women.

candy

1 Oct 12 at 2:37 pm
CL,
Spencer said:

The 2 most outspoken critics of the campaign against Jones @chriskkenny & @mirandadevine have not criticised Jones for his offensive remarks

This was not true.

He has since apologised (sort of)

Woolfe

1 Oct 12 at 2:37 pm
Alan Jones has been dumped as headline speaker at an anti-coal seam gas rally on the Tweed next week, with organisers condemning him as a ‘thoughtless bastard’ for his extraordinary personal attack on Julia Gillard.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/alan-jones-dumped-as-headline-speaker-of-rock-the-gates-anti-csg-rally-over-comments-on-julia-gillards-father/story-fndo45r1-1226485883222

Hilarious.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 2:51 pm
Gab, that is very funny. And monty wants us to ‘own’ an anti-CSG numbnut. He fits perfectly in the Australian Greens.

dover_beach

1 Oct 12 at 2:57 pm
All this confected morality over Jones’ remarks.

I’ve commented elsewhere today I’m with Alan Jones, he manned up (and courageously to a press conference rather than issuing a media release), he apologised and that should be the end of it I regard Alan Jones as a man of courage who publicly reflects the concerns of a large number of Australians as do Piers, Bolt, Michael Smith And it does take courage these days to go against the “luvvie media’

As for the News Ltd journo who surruptitiously recorded Jones’ private comments, shame on him! That’s certainly not behaviour reflective of honesty and integrity and courage. Jones to his credit showed all these traits yesterday as he has shown in the past. Plaudits to him. None to the journo.
Now enough of all this confected morality!

Back to the Cat – question was the journo in breach of the Surveillance Devices Act – arguable but I’m no expert – it’s possible he was getting legal advice while holding the recording. In any event what the journo did was despicable IMO – I’d never invite him to a private function at my place

val majkus

1 Oct 12 at 3:04 pm
Woolworths have pulled their ads and a couple of radio stations have pulled him from their lineup.

All pretty bizarre.

At least Campbell Newman says he will still appear on A. Jones’ show, and that his apology was good and all he needed to do.

Good on Mr Newman for being sensible and showing a bit of guts.

candy

1 Oct 12 at 3:06 pm
I take it from your extreme rant above equal you rather like the style of Alan Jones.
Well Freedom doesnt – they have posted a comment on their website
“you spoke, we listened”
Thats the consumers.
Woolworths doesnt either – they are all falling to the power of social media emails.
“We value whatr our customers are telling us”

Surely you equal even though you are a pretty big blockhead dont object to the power of the paying consumer to object to one windbag old fart who has had one rant too many on the airwaves at the top of his dogmatic old lungs? He has been the absolulte master of vicious personal insults and this was one of them.

I dont much like many politicians or many parties in Australia just now equal.

Seeing you have imagined somethink like that (in your own head)

They are all as bad as each other. NSW Labor was truly disgusting, Campbell Neuamn is tarvelling down the same stupid road of mindlessly sacking public servants but building monuments to himself by selling heritage properties, Barry OFarrell is certainly better than prior NSW labor or that idiot Roberston but the same old ideological pro PPS deal makers there now (Greiner and co), Gillard Govt may be starting to look a little better in the face of what people already know Tony Abbott will do to workplace laws ( with bills up that wont help unless you are an idiot who thinks business owners go around with a hat and tickets in it to give out jobs like Santa Claus and that lower costs mean they wont flog one person to do the job but will instead hire two with an easier worklife) BUT NONE of them are particularly appealing or gracious or have real leadership skills for the good of this country – NONE.

But you equal are just a one sided blockhead.

Alice

1 Oct 12 at 3:10 pm
Neuamn is tarvelling down the same stupid road of mindlessly sacking public servants

Alice, if you haven’t noticed the extreme growth in the numbers of public servants under Labor in QLD – like evrywhere else – you shouldn’t be commenting on the subject.

blogstrop

1 Oct 12 at 3:24 pm
Alan Jones’ economic views would be identical to yours Alice.

entropy

1 Oct 12 at 3:40 pm
I’d never invite him to a private function at my place.

I’m not sure that’s quite as much of a loss as you seem to think.

badm0f0

1 Oct 12 at 3:44 pm
Alice, his name is Dot. Not equal.

kae

1 Oct 12 at 3:46 pm
Here’s a lovely story:

AUSTRALIAN TV star and model Holly Valance has married her billionaire beau Nick Candy in a fairytale wedding which took place in Beverly Hills.

And dating one of the most eligible men around means the former Neighbours star had the fairytale wedding she no doubt had been dreaming of since she was a little girl.

The bride, 29, wore an extravagant white gown by J’Aton Couture which boasted a full, meringue style skirt resembling feathers and a bodice like top.

All very nice; pity about the dress as it looks as if a game of swans had a fight with a web of tulle and lost.

(Now if one of the regulars here had married the groom, she’d be known as Candy Candy.)

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 3:47 pm
OK Kae, Dotblockhead then from now on.

I always knew he wasnt equal.

Alice

1 Oct 12 at 3:48 pm
Alice, settle down, dear. I know you can refer to him by his on-screen identity. Dot. see, it’s not difficult.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 3:49 pm
You domt sack em when the economy isnt great blogstrop (and dont go telling me sacking them will help everyone)

Thats just stoopid.

Alice

1 Oct 12 at 3:49 pm
OK Dot then and ill leave out the blockhead.
Do I have to eat hot crow now?

Alice

1 Oct 12 at 3:50 pm
Well no, but only if you want to.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 3:51 pm
I do like you Gab and Candy too.
Both very nice ladies.
Id better sneak out and think about cooking dinner before Dot gets back (wicked I know).

Alice

1 Oct 12 at 3:53 pm
That’s very sweet of you to say, Alice. I do so enjoy your vibrant debates with Dot.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 3:56 pm
Alice, it s quite possible I will yet lose my QPS job. But I can tell you that my payout in after tax equivalents will be getting close to two years of pay. How many people in the private sector would get that if they lost their job?

So yes it would suck, but life goes on I will go and work for the CSG industry or something. Just to annoy my greenie relatives.

And also, if 14,000 people spend even a minor lump of that money they get, what will that do to the GSP calculation?

entropy

1 Oct 12 at 4:00 pm
Also possible with me, entropy. But there’s plenty of work out there if you look for it.
For the willing workers of Australia, it’s raining soup. Grab a bowl.

Winston Smith

1 Oct 12 at 4:08 pm
Ooh i burst out laughing when i heard this on ABC radio today;
Fish likely to shrink as planet warms: study

They said global warming, blamed on human burning of fossil fuels, will make life harder for fish in the oceans largely because warmer water can hold less dissolved oxygen, vital for respiration and growth.

“As the fish grow bigger and bigger it will be difficult to get enough oxygen for growth. There is more demand for oxygen as the body grows. At some point the fish will stop growing,” Cheung said of the study, based on computer models.

Hahahaha

Predator fish like cod that swallow prey whole would become less fearsome, perhaps allowing smaller species to thrive.

“Cod … can only eat fish that can fit into their mouth. They are not like lions or tigers” that can attack animals that are larger than they are, he said.

Aahahahaha
But wait, there’s more;

The climate scenario used in the study would mean an increase in world temperatures of between 2 and 5.4 degrees Celsius (3.6 to 9.7 Fahrenheit) by 2100, the second biggest gain of six scenarios used by the U.N. panel of climate experts.

And finally;

“The results will be quite similar,” using other scenarios, Cheung said.

I’m still chuckling at the brazen ridiculousness.

jumpnmcar

1 Oct 12 at 4:10 pm
You’re a terrible partisan shill.

Don’t steal my description of you m0nty you brainless hack.

twostix

1 Oct 12 at 4:10 pm
You domt sack em when the economy isnt great blogstrop (and dont go telling me sacking them will help everyone)

Thats just stoopid.

…

So.. Let’s work this through. The economy isn’t great. The state does not have savings left, and is in debt to a very significant but not yet irretrievable degree. This is not controversial, just how things are.

In periods where the ecomony ‘isn’t great’, what is happening?

People are spending less, saving more, not taking on as much new debt.

This isn’t wrong; its natural and the appropriate response given the circumstances.

Now the government is still spending money like we are in a boom; receipts have fallen off and can’t be increased without further damaging the economy. Putting it on the tab is no longer viable. The only viable option available to rectify their situation is to cut spending.

Lets look – what options are available to them?

Cut wages by cutting wage rates.

Cut wages by cutting staffing.

Cut expenses on infrastructure.

The first is probably the best option, but can’t / won’t be done for contractual reasons. The third is ok on a short term basis, but nothing about the situation we are in says ‘short term’. Which leaves the second.

Will ‘sacking them’ help everyone, today, tomorrow? No. The economy will suffer significant disruption. But that is not the point. That is already happening anyway, and denying it doesn’t help.

People don’t seem to realise that a recession is hardly the worst that can happen.

Driftforge

1 Oct 12 at 4:11 pm
Amazing!! Europe retain the Ryder Cup in the biggest comeback in the events history, on US soil ( Medinah Country Club,Illinois ), despite the rudest unsporting golfing spectators on the planet.

Fantastic to witness.

jumpnmcar

1 Oct 12 at 4:32 pm
Candy, advertisers always ‘pull out’ when a controversy is on. They come back a few weeks later when nobody cares any more. If you believed lefty wrongologists like Monty, Rush Limbaugh was finished when he called slut Sandra Fluke a slut. After a week, Rush’s show and sales were booming.

—————————

It’s hard to pick the funniest McTernan-ordered Abbott/Jones derangement utterance of the day. Nicola Roxon is hard to overlook. On the receiving end of one of the most humiliating slap-downs in the history of the attorney-generalship last week – at the hands of an office clerk – she then lost her dotty Emily’s Lister temper and spoke illegally about her defeat, thus inviting a further beclowning.

She said Jones had gone too far with his words and should be sacked.

LOL. Good one, fatso.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 4:37 pm
Fantastic to witness.

Good-o. I’ll take your word for it Jump and pass it on the you-know-who, who doubtless knows already. I’m sportif’ed out.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

1 Oct 12 at 4:41 pm
I’m sportif’ed out.

What ? there is such a thing ?
Huh… Won lernes much, hear at da Cat.

jumpnmcar

1 Oct 12 at 4:49 pm
loved the ballet clip but the russian was far too thin. See Madeleine Eastoe (australian) for a true ballet dancer with the “look”.

Daisy – If you are en pointe every kilo counts. The lighter the better. Same with every other move.

will

1 Oct 12 at 5:13 pm
Re the Jill Meagher march:

Some signs indicated that women should not feel coerced into once again feeling fear.

Trouble is there will always be predators on the streets – the capacity to feel fear is what often keeps us safe.

There have been similar marches, ‘take back the night’ and so on, for many years now.
They are based on an insidious and dangerous lie; that the terrible crimes committed against women like Jill Meagher are the result of a general societal acceptance of violence against women and a widespread male condoning of such violence.

That’s why it’s a protest. The point of protests is to change the mind of mainstream society. that’s what you do. Make a lot of noise, wave some placards, and draw attention to the issue and hope to provoke people into considering your point of view.

But the vast majority of people are sickened and appalled by what happened to her, as they are by all such crimes. Protesting won’t work. And in fact because it’s based on a lie (that men are somehow okay with this kind of stuff), it misleads, misdirects, and can only lead to more heartbreak.

dd

1 Oct 12 at 5:28 pm
Fish likely to shrink as oceans warm? More GIGO funded by the grant machine for global warming garbage, funded by unfortunate taxpayers.

Let’s see. They assumed unproven ocean warming (based on, you guessed it, models). They assumed that fish cannot swim somewhere else if they find their environment uncongenial. They assumed that fish raised in fishtanks are just like fish living in the ocean. They assumed that temperature is the most important proxy for oxygenation. There are quite a few other problems with this load of crap, but that will do to start with.

Apart from these concerns, which the believers would no doubt describe as minor niggles, this ‘study’ is rolled gold science, just like the Government tells us we get from the IPCC. You know, like Australia’s heavily promoted contribution to the next IPCC report from Gergis et al, which lasted exactly four days in the blogosphere before being being utterly discredited and withdrawn. It was meant to be re-issued in September after extensive use of gaffer tape and spackfiller and a quick respray, but so far, still no sign.

The ABC will promote absolutely any rubbish that suits their deep green agenda, and trying to get them to retract even glaring errors is like extracting teeth from a cranky tiger.

johanna

1 Oct 12 at 5:32 pm
If you are en pointe every kilo counts. The lighter the better. Same with every other move.

You’ve been up there then Will, en pointe? Man toes still OK I hope.

Actually, ballerinas have to have the muscle and lifting power as well. Certainly they can’t be pudgy, which is unlikely anyway, given the amount of regular training needed. But it’s not just about kilos. A frail and undernourished female body is not going to be supple and graceful, let alone at peak performance. The truth is not everyone has the sort of body that should be doing ballet. The problems emerge when people who are ‘wrong’ for it don’t recognise that, and just do the kilo thing.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

1 Oct 12 at 5:40 pm
Hear, Hear, Johanna. Well said that woman.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

1 Oct 12 at 5:44 pm
Daisy – If you are en pointe every kilo counts. The lighter the better. Same with every other move.

Yep, reason number one that Little Miss Entropy wont keep costing me the equivalent of a second set of school fees on dance lessons. She isn’t fat, not in the slightest, but likes her tucker too much. I wonder if she will keep it up till she is old enough to go en pointe.

entropy

1 Oct 12 at 5:46 pm
But the vast majority of people are sickened and appalled by what happened to her, as they are by all such crimes. Protesting won’t work. And in fact because it’s based on a lie (that men are somehow okay with this kind of stuff), it misleads, misdirects, and can only lead to more heartbreak.

I think that even “vast” is understating the number of people sickened by it. I couldn’t imagine more than a couple of lunatics that wouldn’t be appalled in our population of 22 million.

But you’re right, it’s a political statement to suggest men are somehow predators and/or are not appalled by this act of barbarity.

They are really a sickening bunch. They are using the brutal murder of this woman to somehow statement against men.

What a bunch of despicable creatures.

JC

1 Oct 12 at 5:47 pm
Yeh Johanna.
If you’ve ever been diving you know if you want cooler you go deeper, but if sea levels are rising don’t bother, you’ll already be deeper.
Haha Whale sharks ( are not whales) are the biggest fish and they live in warm ocean
My trust in ” scientists ” is at an all time low, I’m sure I’m not alone.

jumpnmcar

1 Oct 12 at 5:53 pm
This is reason why the toe sucker, Dick Morris, still thinks Romney will be the next president.

POLL: 43% of voters certain they will vote for Romney. 42% certain they will vote for Obama. Remaining 15% either uncommitted or open to changing mind.

JC

1 Oct 12 at 5:59 pm
They assumed unproven ocean warming (based on, you guessed it, models).

Yeah, sure:

Sea surface temperature (SST) surrounding Australia has undergone significant warming since the early 20th century. Average SST for the most recent 20-year period (1992-2011) was 0.68oC warmer than the period 1910-1929. This significant change in regionally-averaged SST is of similar magnitude to the warming of Australian air temperature (+0.74oC) and to globally-averaged land and sea temperatures (+0.71oC) between the same two periods. Australian region SST for every decade from 1921-1930 through 2001-2010 has been warmer than the preceding decade. The rate of globally-averaged temperature rise has accelerated since the mid-20th century; similarly, for Australian waters the rate of warming was 0.08oC/decade from 1910-2011 and 0.11oC/decade from 1950-2011. Since the first Report Card in 2009, the then warmest year (1998) for Australian region SST has been superseded by that in 2010. 15 of the 20 warmest years within the 102-year instrumental record have all occurred within the last 20 years.

Did you think that higher air temperatures, which fake skeptics will now usually admit has happened over the 20 th century, was all magically happening without the involvement of the oceans getting warmer too?

But, as usual, you will now claim that we can keep burning coal because the air and ocean temperature rises will just stop. How convenient. And completely unscientific.

steve from brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 6:03 pm
As for the march in Melbourne: well there was a feminist element to it, about making the streets safer, etc, you can bet that a huge part of it was simply participation out of a sense of sympathy for the husband and relatives of a very attractive young woman from overseas who died here in the worst possible way.

steve from brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 6:06 pm
Oh Jeez

Talk about the climate and stepford puts down the iron or the mop without a seconds thought as to what his husband will say about not finishing the assigned chores for the day.

JC

1 Oct 12 at 6:07 pm
I too am shocked. Stevie. Has the village got in touch with you?

Tiny Dancer

1 Oct 12 at 6:11 pm
As for the march in Melbourne: well there was a feminist element to it, about making the streets safer, etc,

Bullshit. Her death was used as a political rally against men. It was repugnant.

you can bet that a huge part of it was simply participation out of a sense of sympathy for the husband and relatives of a very attractive young woman from overseas who died here in the worst possible way.

You don’t demonstrate by going to a rally if you feel those emotions, dickwad.

Leftwing feminists took the opportunity to use her murder as a battering ram to attack men. Those ugly feminist trolls have the integrity of a dead skunk. Foul fucking creatures.

JC

1 Oct 12 at 6:13 pm
SFB

0.68oC warmer than the period 1910-1929

That’s very accurate. How exactly did people measure that to a 100th of a degree in 1910 ?

jumpnmcar

1 Oct 12 at 6:14 pm
I too am shocked. Stevie. Has the village got in touch with you?

Every rural hamlet and village has called him to be their idiot. He’s being sold at auction to the lowest bidder.

JC

1 Oct 12 at 6:15 pm
There have been similar marches, ‘take back the night’ and so on, for many years now.
They are based on an insidious and dangerous lie; that the terrible crimes committed against women like Jill Meagher are the result of a general societal acceptance of violence against women and a widespread male condoning of such violence.

That’s why it’s a protest. The point of protests is to change the mind of mainstream society. that’s what you do. Make a lot of noise, wave some placards, and draw attention to the issue and hope to provoke people into considering your point of view.

But the vast majority of people are sickened and appalled by what happened to her, as they are by all such crimes. Protesting won’t work. And in fact because it’s based on a lie (that men are somehow okay with this kind of stuff), it misleads, misdirects, and can only lead to more heartbreak.

Comment of the day, DD.

I would only add that there IS scope for an actual theme to a protest, properly so called. Namely, the corruption and sneering elitism pursuant to which Labor lawyers, Mickey Mouse Labor judges and the matrix of politicians, social workers (mostly women), rent-seekers and bleeding hearts wilfully uphold a system whose wrist-slapping and parole leniency kills women and children.

And they couldn’t care less.

The march for Jill was a thematic disgrace – worse, moral cowardice.

They loved this dear woman, purportedly, but call out the left-wing scum that have turned our ‘justice’ system into a revolving door? Not these inner-city luvvies.

No sir.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 6:15 pm
Those ugly feminist trolls have the integrity of a dead skunk. Foul fucking creatures.

Way to make women feel safer on the street, JC: sound like a woman hating psycho yourself. Congratulations.

steve from brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 6:15 pm
I wonder if she will keep it up till she is old enough to go en pointe.

I was only en pointe between twelve and fourteen, when circumstances meant I had to drop my classes, which back in the day were fairly cheap in a church hall in the less salubrious suburbs. I’ve never forgotten the thrill of being allowed up on toes though, which I’d begged for ever since I started (probably allowed up too young btw). Entropy, even a little ballet goes a long way; it’s a life-long gift of good posture and bodily awareness which carries over to many other things, to say nothing of the introduction it gives to a great cultural tradition, including music. I suspect your money is being well spent.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

1 Oct 12 at 6:15 pm
Way to make women feel safer on the street, JC: sound like a woman hating psycho yourself. Congratulations.

You’re appalling stepford.

I love women. Real ones, not bull dyke ugly feminist trolls and their hangers on like you, Stepford that would use the brutal murder of a woman as a man hating political statement.

You deranged animal.

JC

1 Oct 12 at 6:20 pm
Steve fb
I really need to know how the temp of the ocean was measured, to 100th of a degree, in Australian waters, over 100 years ago.

jumpnmcar

1 Oct 12 at 6:21 pm
Ignoring Ashby/Roxon Stevieliar QC? No longer interested? Have you cooked the man some eggs?

Tiny Dancer

1 Oct 12 at 6:24 pm
Has the village got in touch with you?

Every rural hamlet and village has called him to be their idiot. He’s being sold at auction to the lowest bidder.

Ahahahahahahahaha.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 6:24 pm
They are really a sickening bunch. They are using the brutal murder of this woman to somehow statement against men.

As a man, JC has every right to feel this way, Steven.

Only a lesser man would play the ‘psycho’ card against him in this context. A lesser man such as you, perhaps?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

1 Oct 12 at 6:25 pm
“(Now if one of the regulars here had married the groom, she’d be known as Candy Candy.) ”

Gab, even for a billionaire and the chance to be a Candy Candy, his short blue velvet jacket would put me off, who let him out wearing that?

I thought her veil looked really beautiful.

candy

1 Oct 12 at 6:26 pm
I am sure it is, Lizzie, even though I am paying for two little miss entropys to have a second life after school. And the performances they put on a pretty impressive. We even get ones at home, choreographed by the oldest little Miss Entropy.

Slightly older Master entropy, of course, isn’t interested, despite the fact that there would be many lithe, fit young ladies on tap with minimal competition. But to say so probably only scares the bejesus out of him at this stage, which is the one where the opposite gender is either invisible or unnerving.

entropy

1 Oct 12 at 6:27 pm
Lizzie, go chat about your tedious sub-Brynnie life. I can scan what those comments are about and ignore them.

steve from brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 6:29 pm
Gab, even for a billionaire and the chance to be a Candy Candy, his short blue velvet jacket would put me off, who let him out wearing that?

That’s what went through my mind when I saw the doofus’s jacket.

Dude, you’re a billionaire get married in a freaking Brioni, not some cheap looking blue velvet jacket that ends above the backside. FFS.

JC

1 Oct 12 at 6:30 pm
The Australian media had its own Benghazi/Las Vegas moment today. Wall to wall, they banned and covered up the Bob Carr/Bob Ellis scandal.

It would have ruined the narrative.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 6:30 pm
Stepford

Shoo off. You’re not wanted here.

JC

1 Oct 12 at 6:31 pm
his short blue velvet jacket would put me off

I don’t get it either, Candy. I mean look at her dress! They’ve got money but money cannot buy class.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 6:32 pm
Lizzie, go chat about your tedious sub-Brynnie life.

It doesn’t take much for the vicious misogynist in Steve to be teased out.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 6:32 pm
You’re another fan of the “da hairy ape” stories, are you JC? Each to his own.

I’d call Lizzie a wanker if she were a man.

steve from brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 6:32 pm
Oh good. CL coming out in defence of Lizzie too. Soon it’ll be “hairy ape” stories on the hour every hour.

steve from brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 6:33 pm
Catherine Deveny:

God is bullshit

Julia Gillard:

Denigration of religious beliefs is never acceptable.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 6:34 pm
Who’s wearing velvet?

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 6:34 pm
Stevie, I’d call you a wanker if you were a man. I’ll just settle for fuckwit at this point.

Tiny Dancer

1 Oct 12 at 6:36 pm
You’re another fan of the “da hairy ape” stories, are you JC? Each to his own.

They’re okay and funny at times.

I can see how they really upset you, Step. You see a man in those stories. You then look in the mirror hoping one appears but never does.

I’d call Lizzie a wanker if she were a man.

Always bitching about the ladies.

JC

1 Oct 12 at 6:37 pm
We all know you’re disturbed in a special way, Tiny.

steve from brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 6:37 pm
Soon it’ll be “hairy ape” stories on the hour every hour.

That would be fun except I doubt Lizzie spends all day on the couch reading the Cat, unlike you you SFB.

Lizzie, I really do enjoy Tales of the HIA (does he have a brother? Single? Maybe a close cousin?, and your narrative style is a real treat! (How’s that book coming along???)

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 6:37 pm
Speaking of Brynnie, that Edelston dude is something else.

Is it true that notwithstanding his criminal convictions and appalling taste he is actually a brilliant businessman? Anyone know?

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 6:39 pm
Who’s wearing velvet?

This idiot. He’s supposedly a billionaire. look. He should have thrown a party and invited his jacket down.

JC

1 Oct 12 at 6:39 pm
Who’s wearing velvet?

CL, it was in relation to a story I posted earlier.

I know you don’t scroll up for anybody, so here it is.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 6:40 pm
STEVE FROM BRISBANE
Answer please.

“”"0.68oC warmer than the period 1910-1929″”"

That’s very accurate. How exactly did people measure that to a 100th of a degree in 1910 ?

And the data set from 1910 would be good too.

Thanks in advance; Jumpnmcar.

jumpnmcar

1 Oct 12 at 6:42 pm
Is it true that notwithstanding his criminal convictions and appalling taste he is actually a brilliant businessman? Anyone know?

Yea he is. He really revolutionized the medical clinic business. I heard he was wheeling and dealing in his university days.

He went down with the ship in the 80′s and he’s back with a supposed net worth of around $200 to $300 million.

He’s pretty tasteless though.

JC

1 Oct 12 at 6:43 pm
“I don’t get it either, Candy. I mean look at her dress! They’ve got money but money cannot buy class.”

No, i didn’t care for the dress either, chunky and odd looking, but the veil did look really lovely (from the part seen ) – long and delicate

candy

1 Oct 12 at 6:43 pm
Good question, jumpnmcar.

As usual, sfb’s link doesn’t prove a thing. I don’t pander to his pathetic attention-seeking by responding to his tanties unless I am very bored indeed.

johanna

1 Oct 12 at 6:44 pm
I can see how they really upset you, Step. You see a man in those stories. You then look in the mirror hoping one appears but never does.

Sinc!!!

Liberty quote.

JamesK

1 Oct 12 at 6:44 pm
How’s that fabulous blog of yours going Stevie? Plenty of traffic and comments over there?

Tiny Dancer

1 Oct 12 at 6:46 pm
Gee, Jump, my guess would be there were lots of measurements being averaged out.

Do your own research, dumbass – because I know that whatever I come up with you’ll go “ho ho ho, that’s not right.”

steve from brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 6:47 pm
Is it true that notwithstanding his criminal convictions and appalling taste he is actually a brilliant businessman?

yes, according to wikipedia.

From February 1984 onwards, following the establishment of Medicare by the Hawke government, Edelsten became famous for running multi-disciplinary, 24-hour medical centres that featured chandeliers and white grand pianos. His clinics were innovative and the forerunners of corporate medical practices,[5] and were the first in Australia to bulk-bill patients to Medicare so they incurred no direct cost.[14][19] Within four months, the first clinic was seeing 2,000 patients a week. Edelsten’s empire grew to thirteen medical centres, with around 200 doctors seeing more than 20,000 patients each week

They got him for over-servicing patients (which these days is standard practice).

dd

1 Oct 12 at 6:48 pm
Do your own research, dumbass

Stock standard answer from SFb every time, Jump. He never ever answers questions other than to abuse and tell you you’re lazy.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 6:49 pm
Yeah, very convincing Johanna – sit on your backside and just say – “ha, he hasn’t convinced me!” Gab used to do that a lot.

It’s a trademark of fake skepticism.

steve from brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 6:49 pm
See what I mean.

You are lazy Gab (when it comes to doing more than checking today’s talking point on WUWT, or Delingpole’s appalling columns.)

steve from brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 6:50 pm
Oh wow. That velvet jacket is disgusting. It’s bunched up on his backside.

He can’t have been brought up right.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 6:50 pm
I can see how they really upset you, Step. You see a man in those stories. You then look in the mirror hoping one appears but never does.

LOL reminds me of the Old Spice commercial where the gorgeous black hunkofaman says ‘ladies, look at me, now look at your man, now back to me…”. SFB is definitely not the black man on a horse.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 6:51 pm
SOB, you limp misogynist.

Time to start a social media campaign to get your hateful website shut down once and for all.

DavidJ

1 Oct 12 at 6:54 pm
Univision report connects Operation Fast and Furious scandal to murders of Mexican teenagers

The “massacre,” as Univision described it, was not the only bombshell the network unveiled in its Sunday evening report.

“Univision News identified a total of 57 more previously unreported firearms that were bought by straw purchasers monitored by ATF during Operation Fast and Furious, and then recovered in Mexico in sites related to murders, kidnappings, and at least one other massacre,” the Univision report reads.

The network also uncovered another Fast and Furious weapons “massacre.” On September 2, 2009, 18 young men were killed at “El Aliviane, a rehabilitation center in Ciudad Juarez,” according to the report.

Univision found many of these victims through “access to the list of serial numbers for weapons used in Fast and Furious” and the “list of guns seized in Mexico,” according to English subtitles on the Spanish-language video.

“After cross-referencing them both lists, it became clear that a least a hundred of them were used in crimes of all kinds,” the subtitles read. “We found 57 weapons that were not mentioned in [the U.S.] Congress’ investigation.”

Though Univision tracked many more victims down, it said that “the death toll that this free flow of weapons authorized by ATF had in Mexico has not been tallied.”

Univision held nothing back in its broadcast, airing images and video of bloodied, dead bodies. The network showed the faces of the dead and walked viewers through how cartel operatives hunted their victims down with the weapons President Barack Obama’s administration allowed straw buyers to traffick to them.

One photo, for instance, showed pools of blood in the streets of a Mexican town after a “massacre” committed by murderers armed with Fast and Furious weapons. Video footage showed where some of the victims were killed and how the cartels chased their helpless victims to their deaths.

The Univision broadcast implicitly suggested that Americans have no regard for the victims of violence American policy helps fuel — that is, until one of those victims ends up being an American.

It wasn’t until U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry’s murder prompted whistle-blowers to come forward to Congress to publicly voice concerns about ]he program that the Obama administration stopped allowing firearms to flow into Mexico.

Precisely correct.

JamesK

1 Oct 12 at 6:55 pm
Listen to him, Steven. Steven, you could at least try to smell like this man.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 6:57 pm
Well, that’s a weird comment, DavidJ.

steve from brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 6:58 pm
Did anyone read Alice the Gubshite’s script?

1. Anyone who dislikes Gillard is extreme.

2. The Coalition are just as bad as the ALP.

3. When the government runs out of money, it should spend more, to help everyone out.

Just fuck off Alice, you pathetic ALP shill. You have inflicted your psychological maladies on the Australian blogging community for far too long.

.

1 Oct 12 at 6:59 pm
Any progress in adding http://www.michaelsmithnews.com to the blogroll? Not that he needs the publicity- its going gangbusters there just from word-of-mouth.

Cold-Hands

1 Oct 12 at 7:01 pm
They are based on an insidious and dangerous lie; that the terrible crimes committed against women like Jill Meagher are the result of a general societal acceptance of violence against women and a widespread male condoning of such violence.

Interesting how the crew got marching for an ABC employee in Brunswick. Proximity counts.

I trust the ladies will be out in force next time there is a honour killing around Narre Warren or when they discover their a case of female genital mutilation in Broady.

Token

1 Oct 12 at 7:02 pm
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard doesn’t monce words in a very worthwhile piece to read despite the slightly ott sub-editor’s title:

Another domino falls as Hollande pushes France into depression

His tragically-misguided budget offers no strategic plan to reverse — or even to stop — thirty years of slow national decline. He offers no worthwhile measures to slim the Leviathan state, now a Nordic-sized 55pc of GDP, without Nordic labour flexibility or Nordic free markets.

He does not tell us how he will stem the slide in France’s share of eurozone exports over the last decade, down from 17pc to 13pc, or what he will do about the disastrous swing in France’s trade balance from a surplus of 2.5pc of GDP to a deficit of 2.4pc since 1999.

He proposes nothing credible to restore France’s viability within EMU, or to stop public debt spiralling beyond 90pc of GDP. Instead he has served up the most drastic retrenchment in forty years, at the worst possible time, and in the worst possible way. And markets are supposed to applaud?

The budget will tighten discretionary fiscal policy by 2pc of GDP next year into the teeth of deepening depression, without offsetting monetary stimulus or exchange rate relief

JamesK

1 Oct 12 at 7:05 pm
Or even mince

JamesK

1 Oct 12 at 7:05 pm
What was the time between the illegal recording of the private event AJ spoke at and the faux outrage?

It would be good to know as we need to figure out when the community will go troppo over Il Duce Conroy’s declaration of absolute Red Underpant powers.

Token

1 Oct 12 at 7:05 pm
Do your own research, dumbass – because I know that whatever I come up with you’ll go “ho ho ho, that’s not right.”

You are a liar aren’t you Steve ?
I give everyone the benefit of doubt, i even try to see your comments as part of the conversation.

No more.
I don’t spent the time here to unlearn from the likes of you.
Fuckhead.

jumpnmcar

1 Oct 12 at 7:06 pm
Why should anyone be surprised that I find a near continuous stream of twee/overly theatrical autobiographical comments irritating? I would bet there is someone out there who feels the same way, but is too polite to say so, but whenever Lizzie does a put down of me, I feel free to express my personal opinion of her. (She is capable of intelligent comment on some topics – climate change excluded – but the autobiographical stories are simply annoying, and, if you ask me, attention seeking when done on a group blog.)

I am told about 50 times a day that I am annoying people: my occasional outburst that Lizzie (or MK50, who annoys me even more than her when he gets into full blown drama queen voice) is but a tiny amount of time in comparison devoted to telling someone they are annoying.

steve from brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 7:07 pm
Excellent stuff taking on the loathsome PvO Token.

JamesK

1 Oct 12 at 7:08 pm
Hey Lizzie – would it be possible for you to blog about the HIA every hour or more? It appears to piss off SFB. It may even keep him away!

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 7:08 pm
That march for Jill Meagher is troublesome.
It might give a few vulnerable women the idea that they are ‘entitled’ to feel perfectly safe on the streets walking alone at 1:30am, which is just dumb and dangerous.

candy

1 Oct 12 at 7:08 pm
Step

Shoo off. Go away.

JC

1 Oct 12 at 7:09 pm
The wider community won’t respond to Conroy’s new choice of headware without the MSM picking up the meme and running with it, which they have singularly failed to do. At best we’ll see Bill Leak, Pickering and Zanetti using the Red Underpants as a convenient visual shorthand to identify the crybaby.

Cold-Hands

1 Oct 12 at 7:11 pm
NYT Op-Ed: Beyond Obamacare
By Steven Rattner, a contributing opinion writer, counselor to the Treasury secretary in the Obama administration.

WE need death panels.

Well, maybe not death panels, exactly, but unless we start allocating health care resources more prudently — rationing, by its proper name — the exploding cost of Medicare will swamp the federal budget.

But in the pantheon of toxic issues — the famous “third rails” of American politics — none stands taller than overtly acknowledging that elderly Americans are not entitled to every conceivable medical procedure or pharmaceutical.

Sarah Palin vindicated yet again.

That was called the “Biggest Lie of the Year” by leftists in 2009

JamesK

1 Oct 12 at 7:14 pm
I know this appalls some people, but man I love this side of American culture. I don’t wanna go near it though.

By the way, Rick Ross is a real dude. He blew $1 million in one night at a South Florida strip joint on his birthday. He drives a pink Bentley.

Just look at what happened on BERT night. (from Drudge)

Rappers Young Jeezy and Rick Ross in angry fight at BET Awards which ‘saw shots fired in parking lot‘

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210682/Rappers-Young-Jeezy-Rick-Ross-angry-fight-BET-Awards-saw-shots-fired-parking-lot.html#ixzz282LfKzNs

JC

1 Oct 12 at 7:16 pm
Rick looks really fit and in top shape too.

JC

1 Oct 12 at 7:17 pm
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard was wrong about Hollande – he said he would tear up the Franco-German austerity pact Merkel and Sarko cooked up as soon as Hollande entered office. Hasn’t happened. France is still Germany’s bitch.

Oh come on

1 Oct 12 at 7:18 pm
Another domino falls as Hollande pushes France into depression

The man really is FDR re born. What scares me is that after all the damage FDR did with his regressive parliament.

I have paid attention, has Hollande threatened the supreme court yet?

Token

1 Oct 12 at 7:21 pm
“Why should anyone be surprised that I find a near continuous stream of …” etc.

Steve,

What are you on about, Lizzie shows the utmost politeness and consideration and genuine interest in others.

candy

1 Oct 12 at 7:22 pm
I’d call Lizzie a wanker if she were a man.

Feel free, Steven. I’ve never let gender get in my way and it shouldn’t get in yours. If that’s your worst insult then I’m laughing all the way from my bed to the beautician. This is my time, my life, my writing. You have nothing to offer but oppositional twattery to support your little dickery. Man up.

Da Hairy Ape has just arrived home, and I am so thrilled to see him (sneaking this comment in quickly while he de-suits). He’s not everyone’s dreamboat, but he is mine. And yes, he does have a brother, Gab. Married and in the UK though. A lovely guy, but not a Hairy Ape to me.

Men are hairy. All are apes. There is starting potential everwhere. I guess that is my point in writing about him. He is Everyman.

I have been through enough, seen enough, felt enough and laughed enough to brush little crumbs like you, Steve, away from my table. You aren’t worth eating.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

1 Oct 12 at 7:29 pm
Hey Lizzie – would it be possible for you to blog about the HIA every hour or more? It appears to piss off SFB. It may even keep him away!

We can only hope it provides a some protection against beta-males.

Token

1 Oct 12 at 7:33 pm
Men are hairy. All are apes. There is starting potential everwhere.

Somewhere during the time when my forefathers were riding horses for generations across the endless eurasian steppes they somehow bred the hairiness out of us.

Token

1 Oct 12 at 7:38 pm
How’s that fabulous blog of yours going Stevie? Plenty of traffic and comments over there?

You mean blogs plural, Tiny. Don’t forget that Steve is a failed Leunig wannabe.

Dangph

1 Oct 12 at 7:44 pm
I don’t get it – Jones says something stupid- outrage!
-ABC person gets light sentence for child porn- meh

Tal

1 Oct 12 at 7:46 pm
Smith’s website reminded me that Malcolm Turnbull was quick to denouncingly denounce the “offensive” Alan Jones. Malcolm hasn’t had this much attention since he warmly backed ‘artist’ and schoolyard talent scout Bill Henson a few years ago.

C.L.

1 Oct 12 at 7:50 pm
But in the pantheon of toxic issues — the famous “third rails” of American politics — none stands taller than overtly acknowledging that elderly Americans are not entitled to every conceivable medical procedure or pharmaceutical.

However, believing that Sandra Fluke is not ‘entitled’ to free contraceptives is evidence of a “war against women”.

dover_beach

1 Oct 12 at 7:53 pm
Speaking of Bill Henson, the “man” who organised the Jill Meagher “protest” is:

Philip Werner, as in the professional photographer of whose b0ndage pictures, several graphic, I dare show only the most “demure”:
…
The model in one picture even looks like a bound woman dug out from the earth, perhaps a grave. And the sentiments expressed are a bit … off:

They really are a sick sick lot.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/not_the_man_to_lead_the_jill_meagher_march_in_my_opinion/

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 7:57 pm
SfB’s comment is so wrong!
His wayward, introspective meanderings through (for the most part) his own oxidising grey matter are such dross. Lizzie’s comments are most welcome, a refreshing breeze blowing away the acrid cobwebs of the over-stewed, staccato stevian interloper.

blogstrop

1 Oct 12 at 8:00 pm
ABC person gets light sentence for child porn- meh

Out with parole by March. Ah, true justice.

dover_beach

1 Oct 12 at 8:01 pm
Stevie, I am going to be nice to you again. Here is a little bit of etymology on a word you use above: annoy. Things ‘annoy’ you.

Linguist David Crystal says:

“To annoy the beseigers. Annoy sounds odd to modern ears. That’s because the meaning has changed. It’s another ‘false friend’.. Today, the meaning of annoy is mild – ‘vex, irritate’. But when the word first came into English from French in the fourteenth century, it had a much stronger sense – ‘to be hateful or odious to someone’. By the time of the Civil War it had developed meanings of ‘injure, harm’, especially in a military context.//It turns up several times in Shakespeare in this sense. In Act 1 of Julius Caesar, Casca tells Cicero that a lion ‘went surly by/Without annoying me’. He doesn’t just mean that the sight of a lion failed to cause him some minor irritation. He was much relieved that it hadn’t gone for him. Dyott wasn’t on the roof to vex the Roundheads (beseigers). He was there to kill them. Which he did.”

Guess it’s a good thing you don’t annoy me, Stevie, the way you annoy others.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

1 Oct 12 at 8:01 pm
I get the feeling that if Jill Meagher was not attractive the outcry would have been far more subdued

Tiny Dancer

1 Oct 12 at 8:09 pm
I get the feeling that if Jill Meagher had not been attractive there would have been no outcry.

Tiny Dancer

1 Oct 12 at 8:10 pm
That, Tiny, but also an ABC employee.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 8:10 pm
I child was thrown by her own father from the West Gate Bridge and killed and I don’t think it generated 1/20th of the public reaction. It’s all very strange.

dover_beach

1 Oct 12 at 8:15 pm
Tiny, Tiny, surely you know by now that anything that happens to A Journalist is eleventy billion times more important than if it happens to an ordinary punter?

Look at the outrage if a journalist gets jostled or injured or killed during war or civil unrest. Why, anyone would think that the baddies would know that while murdering the civilian population is just fodder for the international media, journalists are special snowflakes deserving of protection.

It’s like that prat of an aid worker in Libya last week demanding that the Australian Government pull out all the stops because she was held up from leaving for a few days. Another special snowflake, apparently.

Here’s a tip. If you choose to go to dangerous places, bad stuff can happen, and it is probably already happening to the unfortunate people who have no choice about being there.

johanna

1 Oct 12 at 8:22 pm
Stop being so anti woman, dover beach.

Ah yes. Shit matters when it happens to luvvies. Men who don’t wear white white ribbons beat women, all men who enjoy violent sports are violent people, people who advocate self defence are clearly looking for an excuse to be violent, pacifists don’t believe in their own fragility until someone has to protect them from violence…

Don’t even think about it, DB. They have the mentality of children. Treat them as such and ask them when they mention financial difficulty if they would prefer to be income managed as an invalid.

They should just be thankful that some of the more aggressive and risk seeking members of society have pro social pathologies. Having the mind of children, they don’t and cannot differentiate between the heroes and villains – because they have admonished leadership roles and supplanted them with silly rhetoric about how they never want to succeed or how being incapable with dealing with violence is a form of enlightenment – yet they denigrate failure and violent criminals as less than human, or worse, not chic or de jour.

.

1 Oct 12 at 8:25 pm
“I child was thrown by her own father from the West Gate Bridge and killed and I don’t think it generated 1/20th of the public reaction. It’s all very strange.”

good point, but perhaps the Gate Bridge tragedy was just too awful for people to express, even now it’s hard to make sense of it in any way.

candy

1 Oct 12 at 8:26 pm
Men are hairy. All are apes. There is starting potential everwhere

Lizzie, what have you done/

You know this will get SfB all…. excited.

And yet, he’s a homophobe. Odd.

Mk50 of Brisbane

1 Oct 12 at 8:29 pm
“Alan Jones was invited to speak with the 7:30 Report, but he declined,” said Leigh Sales, with the same tight-lipped demeanour that Madame Defarge exhibited when told that a tumbril axle had broken and the next shipment of aristocratic necks would be delayed by a few hours.

I thought she was going to combust in a shower of righteous sanctimony. Not even moving straight on to a “brawl in the coalition over wheat” cheered up the Judge Danforth of Southbank. There were no stories on that cheery united front on the government benches.

Having said that, Jones is a prize farkwit and egregious fathead who passed his use-by date years ago. What a stupid thing he said.

James in Melbourne

1 Oct 12 at 8:46 pm
But what Il Duce Conroy said about the red underpants is still no problem for Madame Defarge et al.

blogstrop

1 Oct 12 at 8:49 pm
The Libs were sweating on the ALP dumping Gillard so they could get rid of their own embarrassment.

Wrong. The Libs have been hoping for no such thing. Gillard’s incompetent and has an albatross or three around her neck that she’ll drag to the next pol. The biggest danger to the Libs is a Rudd return which would have unpredictable effects.

dd

1 Oct 12 at 8:50 pm
Oh. Spaceballs is back. Hi Pizza!

blogstrop

1 Oct 12 at 8:50 pm
“Alan Jones was invited to speak with the 7:30 Report, but he declined,”

He’s a fucking journalist. He has no obligation at all to appear on the ABC.

They’re treating him as if he’s a politician that they caught out.

dd

1 Oct 12 at 8:51 pm
Blog, so is he Darth Helmet?

Token

1 Oct 12 at 8:55 pm
The ALP might very well will the next election febro, that’s not to say they will win, idiot.

tkh

1 Oct 12 at 8:58 pm
“Alan Jones was invited to speak with the 7:30 Report, but he declined,”

I hope he said something like: “when your show is as popular as mine without people being forced to pay for it I might think about it. But let’s be honest: that’s not going to happen anytime soon, is it?”

John Mc

1 Oct 12 at 8:59 pm
This is febro.

blogstrop

1 Oct 12 at 9:00 pm
Darth Helmet I think is SteveC.

blogstrop

1 Oct 12 at 9:01 pm
SfB is the one with hairy ears,

blogstrop

1 Oct 12 at 9:02 pm
A piece of bacon fell off as he said that.

blogstrop

1 Oct 12 at 9:05 pm
And yet, in a year or so, his government is going to be better received in the region – let alone the rest of the world – than KRudd or Gillard ever have been.

John Mc

1 Oct 12 at 9:05 pm
Book time. Bye.

blogstrop

1 Oct 12 at 9:06 pm
Woke up, poured out some sweet tea for my lawn flamingos dyin’ in the streets and thanked the Lord for aviators, gravy and scissor kicks.

Merica. Fuck yeah!

SP0T

1 Oct 12 at 9:09 pm
Somewhere during the time when my forefathers were riding horses for generations across the endless eurasian steppes they somehow bred the hairiness out of us.

If it’s Asian Steppes we’re talking about, maybe the non-hairy ones did well in oil-wrestling, and therefore won all the womenfolk, and successfully outbred the hairy ones? In an ancient world defined by polygamy and conquest, it’s funny how the gene pool can get emptied pretty quickly.

brc

1 Oct 12 at 9:28 pm
It broke :[

Jacques Chester

1 Oct 12 at 10:18 pm
But you fixed it, Jacques. Ta

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 10:19 pm
PS The link to the ‘Catallaxy Files’ header is still broken.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 10:28 pm
Rick Ross image @ JC 7:17pm 1 Oct 12

Does he own a mirror?
Does he have any friends?

Does he think he looks good?

(Doesn’t he have a pair of trousers to fit him?)

kae

1 Oct 12 at 10:35 pm
Why did I do it? Why did I watch the Q&A festival of dangerous ideas?

Dangph

1 Oct 12 at 10:41 pm
Oh, look – Febro suffers from the same oral-anal conjunction that Hammygar does! They can start a support group!

They’ll need it when Gillard is consigned to the dustbin of history.

perturbed

1 Oct 12 at 10:49 pm
Thanks for the fix, Jacques. You are a star and a treasure, slaving away in a backroom somewhere just for us. xx

In an ancient world defined by polygamy and conquest, it’s funny how the gene pool can get emptied pretty quickly.

Yes, Stephen Oppenheimer put it well in his book about the Origins of the British – sooner or later as you go back into origins, most men will find themselves sitting inside the testes of a warlord. This is due to da warlord taking all da ladies and killing off all the other gents.

So, Token. Your ape-ish manliness is still defined by a general male pattern distributing whatever hair you possess and you can probably lay claim to the Oriental might of such conquerers as Ghengis Khan as one of your forebears, which is a significantly masculine image, if that is any compensation (I think it should be).

Gab – thanks for your kind words about my style of commenting, and apologies to those upon whom it grates. There will be less of it soon anyway as I am getting very busy here in a new city after a fallow period settling-in, during which period the Cat has been my pleasure.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

1 Oct 12 at 11:01 pm
The Cat is lucky to have you here, Lizzie, same goes for many other notable commenters who grace this site.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 11:08 pm
FOR CL: a double-header.

Gab

1 Oct 12 at 11:23 pm
Leaked document: Wayne Swan – known as “DC” – has four ‘media advisers.’

A SECRET list of the Gillard government’s ministerial staff reveals numerous chiefs of staff and senior policy advisers have little professional experience in their portfolio areas and that many of them previously worked in political roles or as media advisers.

Labor’s April 2012 Contact Directory, which is marked “Confidential Please Keep Secret At All Times”, underscores business claims about the shift in Canberra from policy substance to political spin…

The Australian’s analysis of the directory shows that at least four cabinet ministers with complex portfolios have promoted generalists, who have graduated from media and political roles into their top positions.

They are: Wayne Swan; Immigration Minister Chris Bowen; Employment and Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten; and Tertiary Education Minister Chris Evans.

The Treasurer has four media advisers, and his chief of staff, Jim Chalmers, hails from a political background in the Queensland government, which included a media advising role.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 12:51 am
Oh thanks for that, Gab.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 12:52 am
26 percent of British workers diagnosed with depression.

British workers ‘are the most depressed in Europe’.

This is clearly bullshit.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 1:12 am
Beclowned…

Matt Daayyymonnnn!

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 1:21 am
update from Rasmussen:
Daily swing state tracking – 1 Oct.

In the 11 swing states, the president earns 51% support to Mitt Romney’s 45%. Three percent (3%) prefer another candidate, and two percent (2%) are undecided.

Keep the faith, the turnaround is just around the corner.

SteveC

2 Oct 12 at 1:25 am
“in your world two years 2003-2003 is the same as nine years 2003-2011.”

It must be nice to be able to make shit up about people, Mk50. That way you don’t have to admit to being a total fucktard who doesn’t know the difference between 100,000 and 600,000.

Chris didn’t mention a timeframe. You didn’t mention a timeframe. I didn’t mention a timeframe. Now you want to make it about a timeframe? Face it – you’re a right-wing moron who can’t tie his shoelaces without help.

Jarrah

2 Oct 12 at 1:33 am
Politico: race dead even, but Romney increases lead amongst independents.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 1:33 am
“Three percent (3%) prefer another candidate”

Go Johnson!

Jarrah

2 Oct 12 at 1:35 am
Boys have to turn into men via some form of a ‘rite of passage’.

Bullshit, as if a rite of passage suddenly makes a boy a man. What sort of nonsense is that?

What is this beta male crap anyway? By your standards some of the most accomplished males in our sociey are beta males. What, you actually take seriously that stupid song by Jackson Brown about being a real man? Fucking leftie dumbass bullshit. Since you are so concerned about beta males stop using a computer because the primary logic of computers was developed by a screaming queen. And last I heard von Neumann was no fan of sports either, nor Shannon. While you’re at it forget about Newtonian physics because Newton was a homosexual heretic. WTF are you on about?

What sports people enjoy says bugger all about those people. It is stupid to think that one can make determinations about an individual on the basis of their sporting or intellectual interests. That’s just plain prejudice and reveals an appalling lack of insight into human behavior. You think you know what it takes to be a real man. So you’re an expert on that stupid concept “human nature”. An expert on stupidity. Any attempt to define human nature is social engineering you screaming idiot. That’s what the bloody socialists did you twit, they thought they knew what being human is about. So do you, you’re in beta male company when it comes to thinking. You’re a dinosaur with the dendritic density of aplysia and neural complexity of a c. elegans. Eat my shorts.

Dead Soul

2 Oct 12 at 5:04 am
Somewhere during the time when my forefathers were riding horses for generations across the endless eurasian steppes they somehow bred the hairiness out of us.

Clearly, the forebears of the inhabitants of my suburb did not ride horses.

boy on a bike

2 Oct 12 at 6:03 am
“I child was thrown by her own father from the West Gate Bridge and killed and I don’t think it generated 1/20th of the public reaction. It’s all very strange.”

good point, but perhaps the Gate Bridge tragedy was just too awful for people to express, even now it’s hard to make sense of it in any way.

Sadly, Candy it’s not that difficult at all. When I originally heard the news report, the first thing that popped into my head was that it was a family breakdown.

The only surprise is that it’s not more common. Unless it is, and it just isn’t reported as often.

nilk

2 Oct 12 at 6:36 am
Wilders is to allowed come here, but Bowen proclaims him ignorant and distasteful.

Blogstrop

2 Oct 12 at 6:44 am
Bowen is familiar with ignorance and distastefulness,look at his co- workers!

Tal

2 Oct 12 at 6:51 am
The whole Bowen article is ripe for a fisking. Our multiculturalism is a beaut example of, among other things, Integration!

Blogstrop

2 Oct 12 at 7:23 am
Bowen is projecting.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 7:29 am
At this point I would like to observe that males who criticise rites of passage for young men are the type that fear they wouldn’t make it through.

Entropy

2 Oct 12 at 8:04 am
ALP raises $7.8bn from super rules

THE government has booked budget savings of $7.8 billion over nine rounds of superannuation tax measures since winning office in 2007. The savings began in its first budget when it was decided to include salary sacrifice contributions to superannuation in the definition of income, for the purpose of calculating means tests for government benefits.

If the government includes a further tightening of superannuation entitlements in its forthcoming round of budget savings, as is expected, it will be the 10th round of revenue raising from superannuation since Labor was elected in 2007.

This raised only $47 million over the three-year forward estimate period, but was expected to generate $430m in savings from lower benefit payments.

The biggest savings from superannuation have involved changes to the co-contribution scheme, affecting people on low incomes, and adjusting the maximum amount people can put into superannuation, affecting people on higher incomes or trying to boost retirement savings in their final years in the workforce.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 8:07 am
Canberra’s great superannuation rort

Former superannuation minister Nick Sherry has blown the lid on Australia’s greatest rort – the $210 billion unfunded public sector defined benefit superannuation schemes.

The Canberra public service beneficiaries of this rort are often the very people who are attacking legitimate savers in the private sectors who put money aside to pay for their retirement.

As we all know the public servant rorters are mounting another attack on legitimate private savers. This has led former ACTU boss Bill Kelty to demand that the public servants and their weak ministers stop attacking Australian savers. Now in The Australian, Nick Sherry advocates scrapping the generous super scheme enjoyed by public servants and politicians, pointing out it will raise billions of dollars in budget savings.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 8:11 am
Wilders is to allowed come here, but Bowen proclaims him ignorant and distasteful.

Has Wilders presided over 1000 dead asylum seekers Bowen?

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 8:19 am
Romney is pulling in Obama, or is he…

Interesting, after so much heat about the shonking skewing of the polls – strangely the # of Dems in samples are dropping & wha-la, the poll are even.

The Gay Patriot (who is with us in Oz) links to an article by Powerlineblog’s John Hinderaker.

So today’s CNN/ORC poll has Obama’s lead cut in half, to three points [from their previous poll which gave Obama a six-point lead]. Does that mean that Romney is surging? Not really. It means they didn’t call quite as many Democrats. This time, the pollsters gave us the partisan breakdown of their sample: D-37%, R-29% and I-34%. So when the partisan gap in the sample narrowed from D +12 to D +8, Romney did three points better. Well, yeah.

Once again the blogs on the right seem to be shaping the election.

Token

2 Oct 12 at 8:26 am
“AFGHANISTAN’S ambassador to Australia, Nasir Andisha, has predicted that the revival of offshore processing on Nauru and Manus Island will do nothing to deter the thousands of asylum-seekers already in Indonesia from journeying to Australia.

With the Gillard government behind in its declared target of having 500 asylum-seekers on Nauru by this month, Mr Andisha said for many Afghan asylum-seekers in Indonesia, life in Nauru was preferable to life on the margins of Indonesian society.

He said while no Afghans had yet been sent to Nauru, there were no signs the threat of transfer to Nauru was deterring boatpeople, although the policy was in its early phases. “But the trend so far shows it doesn’t have any effect . . . because the people keep coming,” Mr Andisha told The Australian. “As far as the people who are stuck in Indonesia are concerned, I think for them even Nauru is a better place than Indonesia . . . At least there are some facilities. At least they are not in fear of police or corrupt officials.”

Mr Andisha did say the decision to increase the humanitarian intake by more than 6000 to 20,000 a year had generated interest in Afghanistan. His office had seen a spike in inquiries from Afghans about “legal” options for migration.

Since Julia Gillard announced the reopening of the Pacific Solution processing centres, 3421 people have made the journey to Australia on 56 boats — including a record 2295 people seeking protection last month.”

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 8:27 am
Mr Albanese said Mr Abbott’s one-line statement describing Jones’s comments as ”completely out of line” and accepting his apology was ”pathetic”, given the heavily qualified nature of Jones’s apology.

Yes, the way the ALP has exploited the grief of the PM has been disgusting and must be condemned.

Token

2 Oct 12 at 8:31 am
Said the same yesterday, Token. Why doesn’t Gillard put a stop to her ministers prolonging this? Because she thinks she’s scoring political points off the death of her father. Never let a tragedy go to waste. This Jones imbroglio is highlighting Labor will do anything to get poll numbers up. But as I also said yesterday, this transparent strategy will backfire on them.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 8:37 am
You’re right, Gab. After 72 hours of this we can safely and decently concluded that Gillard couldn’t care less about what was said of her father.

What a cold, evil person she is.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 8:43 am
Greg Hunt makes himself useful in The Australian by cataloguing some of the truly awful things said about conservative politicians by ABC favourites, and even by the PM, with no fuss made at all by those now in full fake cry.

blogstrop

2 Oct 12 at 8:45 am
Guess Who’s Coming To Dinner?

No, he would never be ashamed. And woe betide anyone who said otherwise.

Rudiau

2 Oct 12 at 8:48 am
Why hasn’t Bob Carr been charged with a serious crime, by the way?

Greg Hunt today:

At the highest level, arguably the most significant recent breach of decent conduct has been the ministerial attack against an alleged sexual harassment victim. The Foreign Minister, Bob Carr, recently said of James Ashby’s claims of sexual harassment against Peter Slipper that they were “more rehearsed than a kabuki actor”.

This was interference in a legal case. This was a direct attack on someone claiming sexual harassment. This was arguably intimidation of a witness and a claimant. Without commenting on the merits of the substantive matter, it is not surprising the commonwealth has now had to spend taxpayers’ funds in a payment to Ashby, which includes the release of claims against Carr.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 8:49 am
$40 million spent for the impotent temporary UN security council seat? Nah, try $2 billion plus.

TAXPAYERS will foot an extra $2 billion foreign aid bill because Labor feared the consequences of upsetting Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd, Government insiders claim.

Ballooning aid spending in regions, including Africa and the Caribbean, where Mr Rudd is chasing votes for a seat on the 15-member UN Security Council is also causing alarm within the Government.

It is understood there are concerns that the Government is signing tax treaties with small islands in the Caribbean as part of the chase for a coveted UN position.

That is despite the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade warning the Government it would have more chance at a seat if the 2013 bid was delayed until 2018.

Government insiders claim Mr Rudd was not prepared to wait that long.

When The Daily Telegraph put the claims to Mr Rudd yesterday, his spokeswoman said: “The Australian Government does not allocate aid to gain votes for the UN Security Council. Bilateral tax agreements are negotiated by the Department of Treasury and are the responsibility of the Assistant Treasurer.”

LOL they’re scared of Rudd.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 8:59 am
Doesn’t explain why they are still pursuing a seat on the council today.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 9:02 am
What a cold, evil person she is.

What a drama queen you are.

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 9:09 am
$2.9 billion is the current figure:

AUSTRALIAN aid spending in Africa, the Caribbean, South East Asia and the Pacific has increased by more than $2.9 billion since the government announced its bid for the UN Security Council.

Countries traditionally not supported by Australia, which the government believes are now backing the bid, have been lavished with tens of millions of dollars.

The government claims the campaign announced by Kevin Rudd in 2008 for the seat, which will be voted on at the UN later this month, has cost $23.59 million.

However, aid and development spending in countries believed to be backing Australia has exploded, with taxpayers now funding everything from diplomatic training in the Caribbean to mango production practices in Cambodia and pearl culture in Tanzania.

The increase in spending has come as Australia committed to increase its aid budget to 0.5 per cent of GDP by 2015, up from 0.32 in 2008-09, but government sources said the sudden change in focus outside of Australia’s region to Africa and the Caribbean was designed around the bid.
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Spending in Africa, where the government has concentrated much of its effort due to the region’s 50 UN votes, has included a $300,000 membership of a convention on biological diversity in Kenya.

The number of African countries receiving support doubled between 2008-10, a government aid spending report revealed, with total spending in the region leaping from $101 million in 2007-08 to $354 million this financial year.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 9:10 am
WOOLWORTHS the chicken sh*t people

Woolworths and others need to decide who they are responsible to: Shareholders or politically correct bleeding hearts. Because they will be scurrying back to the Alan Jones’ program accepting a worse deal than before.

Rudiau

2 Oct 12 at 9:13 am
While there was no Newspoll today, I think no one here mentioned that the Essential poll finally shows a small improvement to Labor.

Well no one has mentioned it as yet, SFB, becuase the report only went up about 20 minutes ago – I’ve been checking this morning.

However, what I did state yesterday is I expected a slight upward tick for Labor given that’s what happens every time Gillard leaves the country.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 9:36 am
I’ll give Woolies the flick till they come to their senses. Alan Jones’ comment was dumb, but the mob mentality after a person who’s a private citizen is very wrong.

candy

2 Oct 12 at 9:38 am
Woolies is Safeway in Victoria.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 9:39 am
OIC. Poll Bludger had the details out last night.

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 9:44 am
I don’t read Crikey, unlike you.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 9:51 am
“However, what I did state yesterday is I expected a slight upward tick …”

I’m not sure about that, but the sympathy for bereavement factor might be there and the blitz on Tony Abbott’s character was/continues to be well executed.

But that’s where the polls are I reckon, give or take a point or two, you can’t change your basic ALP supporters into Liberal supporters or vice versa, no matter what the provocation.

candy

2 Oct 12 at 9:59 am
The voters have made it clear, they like it best when Gillard doesn’t say anything and is out of the country.

Token

2 Oct 12 at 10:13 am
British workers ‘are the most depressed in Europe’ as one in four is diagnosed with the illness

European survey found 26% of British workers diagnosed with depression
Britons and Germans took the most time off as a result – 41 days on average

When asked what is needed to support employees with depression in the workplace, managers most often cited more counselling services and better government legislation and policies.

Dr Vincenzo Costigliola, President of the European Depression Association said ‘The results of the IDEA survey show that much needs to be done in raising awareness and supporting employees and employers in recognising and managing depression in the workplace.

‘We ask policymakers to consider the impact of depression on the workforce and charge them with addressing depression and workers and workplace safety.’

FFS

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 10:19 am
Strange, I have a comment in moderation where I linked to the Times in Israel. Moderators…

Token

2 Oct 12 at 10:29 am
This time, the pollsters gave us the partisan breakdown of their sample: D-37%, R-29% and I-34%. So when the partisan gap in the sample narrowed from D +12 to D +8, Romney did three points better. Well, yeah.

This sort of tendentiousness would make a whore blush.

dover_beach

2 Oct 12 at 10:30 am
This is a joke, but you can bet Phil the Greek would say this:

Prince Harry says to The Queen

“I say Nanny, I can’t find my packet of ginger biscuits – have you seen them?”

The Queen says “No dear, I’ll ask your grandfather.”

“Philip – Have you seen Harry’s ginger nuts?”

Prince Philip replies “I think the whole bloody world has seen them by now, Liz!

Token

2 Oct 12 at 10:32 am
New low:

Obama Uses Down Syndrome Woman in New Ad… A Woman Who Would Be Aborted Under Obamacare.

Democrats actually believe she should have been killed.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 10:35 am
CNN pollster: Obama going backwards, losing support.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 10:38 am
Yes, the way the ALP has exploited the grief of the PM has been disgusting and must be condemned.

This is true.

dover_beach

2 Oct 12 at 10:39 am
THE High Court has ruled mining billionaire Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest and his iron ore company Fortescue Metals Group did not mislead investors.

The court on Tuesday upheld an appeal by Mr Forrest and Fortescue against a Federal Court decision they misled investors in 2004 by misrepresenting the nature of agreements with three Chinese entities.

Forrest:1, ASIC:0

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 10:39 am
Yes, the way the ALP has exploited the grief of the PM has been disgusting and must be condemned.

Hypocrisy. Gillard only has to say ‘stop’. But she will not. Too much mileage yet to be had over the death of her father.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 10:41 am
New low:

Obama Uses Down Syndrome Woman in New Ad… A Woman Who Would Be Aborted Under Obamacare.

Democrats actually believe she should have been killed.

Dear God. What a moral abyss the Dems have thrown themselves into.

dover_beach

2 Oct 12 at 10:44 am
The Left’s destruction of our civilisation continues unabated:

France to cover 100 percent of abortion costs

AFP – France on Monday unveiled a package of reforms designed to increase access to abortion, including 100 percent reimbursement of medical costs by the state social security system.

At present French women are only able to claim back between 70 and 80 percent of the costs, which average between 200 and 450 euros depending on whether the abortion is induced by medication taken at home or carried out by surgical procedure in a clinic.

The change to full reimbursement was included in the 2013 social security budget unveiled on Monday. In a statement the government said the move was “necessary to ensure all women have equal access to abortion.”

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 10:45 am
“Gillard only has to say ‘stop’. But she will not. Too much mileage yet to be had over the death of her father.”

Well, it would have been simpler for her to accept A. Jones’ apology with some graciousness recognising he said a dumb thing, and say let’s all leave this business alone now please as it upsets her mum.

And that would have been the end of it.

candy

2 Oct 12 at 10:52 am
Good point, Candy.

No-one seems to give a rats’ about how all this point scoring is affecting the grieving widow. Crocodile tears all around.

johanna

2 Oct 12 at 10:58 am
Peter Slipper fails to attend court. Too much media interest.

Tiny Dancer

2 Oct 12 at 11:07 am
Good point, Candy.

No-one seems to give a rats’ about how all this point scoring is affecting the grieving widow. Crocodile tears all around.

The callers to AJ this morning are livid that the PM did not accept a sincere apology and played games.

For people with traditional values that targeted insult by the PM is equal to Jone’s boorish words.

Token

2 Oct 12 at 11:16 am
…now please as it upsets her mum.

Good point.

But…

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6968/gillardbadger.jpg

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 11:18 am
Peter Slipper fails to attend court.

Judge angered by Slipper no-show.

Another fool who trusted the (non existent) decency of Julia Gillard:

Mr Slipper and the Government’s lawyers had been working together to have the case thrown out.

Now the Speaker will need to fight it on his own.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 11:21 am
Oh my, CL and d-b are as right wing stupid as they come.

Hoft’s headline (indeed, he is the dumbest right wing blogger out there – and is a permanent CL favourite) is completely misleading – as if Obamacare means Downs Syndrome babies will have to be aborted.

To state the obvious: a couple taking up screening for genetic abnormalities does not have to have an abortion. They may well use the information to learn more about how to cope with a downs syndrome baby and child before it is born.

The fact that many women do have an abortion for such pregnancies would not be the fault of Obamacare. Rather, it shows the failure of pro-lifers to convince the public that their take on matters relating to abortion is correct.

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 11:21 am
Uh oh: CNN says their sources say Obama not truthful about Libya

CNN says they were hearing from their sources that the Benghazi attack was a pre-planned terrorist attack right after it happened. But then the Obama administration started using these talking points about a mob getting out of control, and CNN says their sources couldn’t corroborate that. The fact that the Obama administration left out of the talking points what they already knew, that it was a pre-planned terrorist attack by an Al-Qaeda linked terrorist group can only mean, according to one former intelligence official, that the administration was trying to cover something up.

LOL CNN has broken ranks.

Will they give it legs?

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 11:21 am
Rather, it shows the failure of pro-lifers to convince the public that their take on matters relating to abortion is correct.

Ahahahahahaha.

‘Catholic’ Steve defends abortion again.

News at 11.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 11:26 am
It’s not that complicated, SFB. Abortion kills.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 11:27 am
The fact that many women do have an abortion for such pregnancies would not be the fault of Obamacare [but] the failure of pro-lifers….

sfb, you are an execrable human being.

dover_beach

2 Oct 12 at 11:30 am
“The Cat is lucky to have you here, Lizzie, same goes for many other notable commenters who grace this site.”

Hey Gab, is Lizzie going to stop posting because of what someone said do you think? sad state of affairs, she wouldn’t be put off by what just one person said would she?

(Franklins up here Brisbane for shopping instead of Woolies, not as big a range but cheaper anyway, so I’m giving Woolies the flick, they’ too big for their boots)

candy

2 Oct 12 at 11:34 am
Obumma after a terrorist attack on American soil in Benghazi and assassination of his ambassador:

Great ad by American Crossroads that attacks Obumma for caring more about keeping his job than actually governing the nation.

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 11:40 am
It’s not that complicated, Gab: screening does not mean you have to abort.

As for d-b, what a convincing response.

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 11:41 am
No, I don’t believe so, Candy. Methinks Lizzie doesn’t give a hoot what SFB thinks of her.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 11:44 am
“No, I don’t believe so, Candy. Methinks Lizzie doesn’t give a hoot what SFB thinks of her.”

Okay, that’s good. I like the way she shares her stories and obvious happiness here.

candy

2 Oct 12 at 11:47 am
Peter Slipper fails to attend court.

Probably got drunk and fell asleep. He does have form in this.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 11:51 am
Hoft’s headline (indeed, he is the dumbest right wing blogger out there – and is a permanent CL favourite) is completely misleading – as if Obamacare means Downs [it is "Down" or "Down's", fool] Syndrome babies will have to be aborted.

It is not misleading at all. They are typically killed in large numbers presently and they will be easier to kill under Obamacare and yet you come here and offer this fallacious objection that some people reading that headline might erroneously conclude that the killing of Down syndrome fetuses will be compulsory under Obamacare. No.

Anyway, the point of the item was the juxtaposition of a sufferer of Down Syndrome being used in a political advertisement associated with a party that will further facilitate more like sufferers being killed in utero.

As for d-b, what a convincing response.

It was the response you deserved.

dover_beach

2 Oct 12 at 11:55 am
Candy Im giving Woolies the flick down here as well. They ARE too big for their boots.

ALDI has opened another store even closer to mme. Go Aldi!! Their speculaas biscuits are delicious! (the ones with the flaked almonds on the back).

I dont want any comments about flakiness on the basis of my observations though.

Alice

2 Oct 12 at 11:56 am
Democrat Pollsters Pat Cadell and Doug Schoen To Megyn Kelly: Media Guilty Of ‘Corruption Of The First Order’ For Protecting Obama

“We’re entering territory we have never entered before,” said Caddell. “We’ve never had a situation where the press has purposefully decided to pick up a narrative rom the White House to not tell people things that happened in order to support their overwhelming candidate for president, Barack Obama.”

“This isn’t about partisanship, this is about danger,” said Caddell. He equated the media to “Pravda,” a newspaper which was owned and operated by the state in the Soviet Union.

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 11:56 am
“Candy Im giving Woolies the flick down here as well. They ARE too big for their boots.”

Yes, Alice, I’d go to Aldi if close but the petrol to get there would outweigh savings somewhat. Franklins is fine and just down the road.

candy

2 Oct 12 at 12:05 pm
Peter Slipper fails to attend court.

Someone should check the toilets. Father Slipper could be stuck after offering a private communion to a staffer in there.

Infidel Tiger

2 Oct 12 at 12:08 pm
ABC calls the man who produces images of women in bondage “photographer.”

Jill Meagher peace march a victory for kindness.

The organiser of a peace march in honour of murdered ABC employee Jill Meagher in Melbourne’s Brunswick suburb says it was a march in support of the values we hold dear, like kindness and positivity.

Melbourne photographer Phillip Werner organised Sunday’s march down Brunswick’s Sydney Road where Jill was last seen.

Meanwhile, Victorian police chief wets his pants:

His comments come in the wake of Victoria Police’s request that several Facebook hate pages relating to the man arrested for Jill Meagher’s murder be removed.

Deputy Commissioner Tim Cartwright says many of the comments are vile.

“Some of those sites are inciting hatred and are quite disgusting in the sorts of messages they are portraying,” he said.

“One of them calls for his hanging…”

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 12:28 pm
Ooh. The biggest “not a practicing Catholic but I wannbe Pope” on site is upset with me.

What’s equivocal in the heading “A Woman Who Would Be Aborted Under Obamacare”, hey Medieval Man? Answer (no need to consult Aquinas): nothing at all.

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 12:29 pm
“One of them calls for his hanging…”

In the town square while law abiding citizens have a festival?

Infidel Tiger

2 Oct 12 at 12:30 pm
“Some of those sites are inciting hatred and are quite disgusting in the sorts of messages they are portraying,” he said.

Off you go, you incompetent fascist oaf: charge them with incitement to violence under the common law or shut the fuck up. This place is already a leftwing toilet where individual rights are being flushed by the turds in power – federal and state. If you’re a cop, don’t involved yourself in politics.

Tom

2 Oct 12 at 12:37 pm
Thanks for the heads up on the other thread, Tom.

Fauxfacts hits new low, still plummeting…

Rabz

2 Oct 12 at 12:54 pm
The government in February:

Cabinet minister Anthony Albanese sounded a warning to the Labor team that they needed to sell the government’s message better.

“We’ve got the economic fundamentals right,” he said. “What we need is for government members to continue to focus on selling the government’s message. That’s a job, not just for the prime minister, but for the whole team.”

What they weren’t telling you: the government has become unelectable with nearly double the number of spin doctors compared with Howard and nearly 50% more ministerial staff, not to mention an increase in government spending of 72%.

Tom

2 Oct 12 at 1:06 pm
Marxist historian Eric Hobsbawm is dead.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9579092/Eric-Hobsbawm-A-believer-in-the-Red-utopia-to-the-very-end.html

Viva

2 Oct 12 at 1:08 pm
“We’ve got the economic fundamentals right,” albansleazey said.

No, you haven’t, you monstrous fucking moron.

Rabz

2 Oct 12 at 1:09 pm
What’s equivocal in the heading “A Woman Who Would Be Aborted Under Obamacare”

“Would”, you numbnut. “Would” is not “must”.

dover_beach

2 Oct 12 at 1:11 pm
marxist historian eric hobsbawm is dead

Obviously not of shame.

Rabz

2 Oct 12 at 1:12 pm
Nice one Rabz- and quick off the marxist too!

Viva

2 Oct 12 at 1:27 pm
The Left’s destruction of our civilisation continues unabated:

France to cover 100 percent of abortion costs

They shouldn’t cover a cent. Moreover, abortionists should be imprisoned for life.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 1:29 pm
Hobsbawm was a fool but I admired his ability as a writer and organiser of historical prose.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 1:31 pm
The sales cycle…

Rabz

2 Oct 12 at 1:32 pm
That’s what the bloody socialists did you twit, they thought they knew what being human is about.

You do have a point, DS. But so does MK50. Re your point of view, there is obviously a great variety of personality types (phenotypes/genotypes) across the population of all males, just as there is across the population of all females. Socialism certainly did prescribe a particularly fanciful general human nature which failed to recognise this variety and which ignored the wide range of social institutions that social anthropology shows have developed to meet and mould this variety. Socialism prescribed its own form of moulding, fixated on equalising mediocrity in all things, and genderless, which was found wanting in the extreme when applied.

Re MK50′s point: the key issues Mark raises relate to the fact that differences between people are more noticable between male and female, which ARE the result of all human evolution, differences in hormonal levels, strength and aggression (however the latter is expressed, whether in grappling with maths and the theology of the singularity or fighting over a ball with a lot of biffo). The two sexes have different bell curve midpoints on most of this, but there is also overlap and the possibility that the curves are closer together than we think (I’ll allow that, although I still hold a pretty gendered view of such differences). Most pre-literate and isolated societies developed a strong sexual division of labour and culture, with initiation rituals emphasising the arrival of the young into their new adult, strongly gendered, status. Men made men, strong of arm and powerful in speculative intellectual range, secure in their social place vis a vis women. Women made women, baby-bearers and raisers, acute in their gathering eye and with meticulous brains and analytic capabilities, talkative to each other and children, not quiet for the pressures of the hunt.

I simplify and idealise, but the general pattern in pre-literate societies is to recognise these differences, base social systems on them, and offer men more socially-recognised initiations into adulthood. Women, after all, have menarche as their key initiation ritual. Young boys need to be ‘born’ by men – in fact certain initiation rituals do precisely that, imitate a ‘tunnel’, a social vagina through which young men are issued forth by the adult males into male status. MK suggests we still need this sort of recognition, although I think we can eschew the ‘tunnel’! I’m with him on that and the value of the ‘shed’.

So – different, no one sex better or worse. Each different in many ways, and showing some overlap and similarities, meaning we all exist together as people, especially in our complex technological world.

BTW – if I write about my own Hairy Ape, could I explain here that I think and hope that I do so usually to make a relevant point that has been raised in the discourse – e.g. that men don’t consider marriage prostitution, that CEO’s can act in their own interests while kissing the Blarney Stone on climate change, that guys like to watch men mock fighting in football and become engrossed in it as a part of their identity-formation, that women are indulgent to men in return for the emotional security they offer and that men need to be admired and praised for their manhood, that women are sexually attracted to the male body and personna because such difference becomes hormonally attractive to us during puberty (we don’t know why). This is the stuff of daily life for many men and women and too often is is not seen as important. I think it is.

Yes Candy and Gab, I will post here again, although not in such length. I did a kick-boxing class this morning and SfB was top of mind.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

2 Oct 12 at 1:41 pm
I simplify and idealise, but the general pattern in pre-literate societies is to recognise these differences, base social systems on them, and offer men more socially-recognised initiations into adulthood.

Thanks Liz. Excellent comments. Your above statement goes to the heart of what I am talking about. There is no specific “rites of passage”, there are many potential avenues and advocating a specific set denies the reality of human variation. According to the likes of MK50 though, someone like myself, who in the last several weeks has received an invitation to next year’s SFN, to speak at next year’s TEDx in Byron Bay, to participate in a non-profit start up for people with anxiety disorders, to participate in the NYAS Scientists Without Borders, to participate in the European Neuropsychiatric Network, is a beta male. That’s ridiculous. So perhaps I just go to where people are interested in my views and seek them.

Dead Soul

2 Oct 12 at 1:46 pm
According to the likes of MK50 though, someone like myself, who in the last several weeks has received an invitation to next year’s SFN, to speak at next year’s TEDx in Byron Bay, to participate in a non-profit start up for people with anxiety disorders, to participate in the NYAS Scientists Without Borders, to participate in the European Neuropsychiatric Network, is a beta male.

Um, you’re not a boy and those aren’t rites of passage.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 2:01 pm
Um, you’re not a boy and those aren’t rites of passage.

I didn’t say they were CL, I was pointing out the absurdity of claiming that I’m a beta male just because I question whether or not men should glory in hitting each other in the head.

Dead Soul

2 Oct 12 at 2:17 pm
Chris didn’t mention a timeframe. You didn’t mention a timeframe.

Jarrah

Between 1979 when he became President and 2003 when he was legally overthrown, Saddam Hussein was ultimately responsible for a median count of 800 000 dead, nearly all innocent, Iraqis. That doesn’t include the previous death toll from ’63 when he became head of intelligence or ’68 or when he became Vice President.

If the invasion has a net effect of slowing the genocide/political murder rate (an ugly metric of course), then it is worthwhile for the Iraqis.

You can dispute the source but they have their own to be checked:

http://necrometrics.com/20c300k.htm#sadhus

.

2 Oct 12 at 2:23 pm
DOT,

If you want to see a shocking movie on the Saddam’s psychopathic rapist torturing son, watch “The Devil’s Double”. Shocking.

Dead Soul

2 Oct 12 at 2:29 pm
Yes Candy and Gab, I will post here again, although not in such length. I did a kick-boxing class this morning and SfB was top of mind.

What a pity. Steve from Brisbane is your classic bully who is at heart a coward. We all will lose if we get less of Lizzie & more of SfB.

He tries to bully those he percieves as weaker, that is why gets so nasty & agressive at women.

Those of us who were socialised to deal with bullies through the rites of passage of adolescence gained experience in how to handle a bully/coward.

Token

2 Oct 12 at 2:36 pm
The SMH appears to be racing the FXJ stock price to the bottom, still leading its website with AJ, backing it up with nearly 600 “I hate AJ” comments and vitriol from Birmingham of Brisbane. TA is allowed a minor role:

Tony Abbott says Labor’s attempts to link him to the Alan Jones controversy was ham-fisted and part of a knee-jerk, daily campaign called “blame Tony”.

“Honestly, the government blames me for everything,” Mr Abbott said. “If someone gets a flat tyre on their way to work, it’s Tony Abbott’s fault.

“If the government misses out on a UN Security Council seat, you can be sure it is Tony Abbott’s fault.

Tom

2 Oct 12 at 2:44 pm
What a dope you are Token.

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 2:45 pm
Sounds like an awful but at the same time thrilling movie, DS.

One for C.L.,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wurmbrand

Remember, Lee Rhiannon was on the payroll of the creeps that tortured this poor man. She has no remorse.

.

2 Oct 12 at 2:54 pm
“If the government misses out on a UN Security Council seat, you can be sure it is Tony Abbott’s fault.”

Stay tuned. That’s ecactly what’s going to happen. It all comes down to Wabbott’s Welentless Negativity. I mean, fuck, Wayne Swan gets away with blaming Alan Jones for the state of the economy. No doubt it’s the Liberals’ fault that Third World shitholes don’t like us enough.

Labor’s obsession with Tony Abbott verges on mental illness. Every last one of them should be locked in a padded room (and that’s the most pleasant possible outcome those criminal incompetents should expect once they’re turfed out of office).

Feral Abacus

2 Oct 12 at 2:56 pm
It’s true. LOL.

Labor have now made Abbott the victim of hatemongering.

They’ve gone too – as they always do.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 2:57 pm
too FAR !!

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 2:59 pm
Isn’t that the buch that Gough wanted to borrow money from?

Token

2 Oct 12 at 3:01 pm
Paul Ryan copping a lot of rubbishing for his performance on Fox on Sunday where “it would take too long” to explain where and how the offset deductions would work when tax rates are reduced.

Not mentioned at all on Hot Air, or Gateway Pundit, as far as I can see. Funny that.

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 3:05 pm
Steve,

No one reports on what a loser you are either.

The facts that tax policy is complex and that you’re brain damaged fuckwit are both non newsworthy.

.

2 Oct 12 at 3:07 pm
Paul Ryan copping a lot of rubbishing

From leftist fucktards like yourself who couldn’t balance their cheque books let alone explain tax credits and deductions in a sound bite.

Infidel Tiger

2 Oct 12 at 3:10 pm
Dogshit, go back to Obsession Confession, where the audience size matches your talent.

Tom

2 Oct 12 at 3:16 pm
In magical Right wing Republican land, arithmetic must be kept hidden from the public because its awesome power is too dangerous for common knowledge. And temperature rises of the air and the ocean (the latter of which appears to be news to some on this blog) will just stop, and the people will all dance and sing and shoot their guns in the air and live happily ever after with a teeny, tiny book of government laws which even a Princess could not feel under her mattress.

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 3:22 pm
SFb, why are you being a nutter today?

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 3:27 pm
Gab, I think he was trying to do humour – very brave if you were born without an intellect.

Tom

2 Oct 12 at 3:32 pm
FXJ going to zero. Good riddance.

Another piece in the AFR today – Fairfax missed the internet …etc. Have a read of the hopeless rag and ask why anyone would pay for it.

H B Bear

2 Oct 12 at 3:40 pm
In magical Right wing Republican land, arithmetic must be kept hidden from the public because its awesome power is too dangerous for common knowledge.

How is Gillard going to pay for her many, many blowouts, zany schemes and boondoggles and also reach a budget surplus while not cutting any government costs?

Where’s the arithmetic for that?

Or are you just being a dickhead again?

twostix

2 Oct 12 at 3:41 pm
Interest rates are back at GFC levels, but Goose is doing his Comical Ali impressions saying everything is alright and if it is not it is Alan Jones’ fault.

Token

2 Oct 12 at 3:43 pm
Fairfax missed the internet

Realestate.com, Carsales.com, Seek.com could all have been Fairfax’s! It’ll be a blessed day when they and then News Ltd are out of business.

Then we must execute with extreme prejudice anyone who has worked for the ABC or harbours a desire to do so.

Infidel Tiger

2 Oct 12 at 3:45 pm
Steve’s just being a dickhead. I’d call him a wanker if he was a man.

Tiny Dancer

2 Oct 12 at 3:47 pm
Then we must execute with extreme prejudice anyone who has worked for the ABC or harbours a desire to do so.

Follow that up with criminal reoffenders of any magnitude and all of a sudden the country wouldn’t be broke.

Supplice

2 Oct 12 at 3:49 pm
I don’t think the Goose understands economics at all. Unfortunately there is no-one else in Cabinet who can explain it to him either.

Costello often failed to reign in Howard’s love of big government but at least he got it.

H B Bear

2 Oct 12 at 3:54 pm
Humphrey, thanks for the link. FXJ breached 40 cents (briefly) for the first time today, a timely moment to reflect on the board’s irresponsibility in letting the staff trash the company:

Fairfax has only one purpose in life: to make money for its owners. Editorial independence is nothing more than a brand dimension. And if you don’t like the idea of maximising shareholder wealth, you should work for a public broadcaster.

The prevailing critique is that Fairfax’s stewards failed its owners. In absolute terms, this is true. If you bought Fairfax shares in 1992, you would have lost 40 per cent of your capital, even after dividends. By contrast, investing in News Corp, Prime Media, or Seven yielded total returns of 200 to 300 per cent. Yet all these bets look bad compared with the wider sharemarket: a simple index fund would have quintupled your cash.

Tom

2 Oct 12 at 3:55 pm
Um yeah sure dickhead Steve. Global warming – no one cares.

Almost minus two in temperate parts of NSW for October, some places hitting sub threes. Snowfields only just out of season. For the year, it didn’t even hit 40+ where I am for Jan-Feb, and it can get up over 40 degs and hit 45 degs as a normal summer.

.

2 Oct 12 at 4:06 pm
LiarSteve Watch – following SoB’s links and exposing the bullsh** that pathetic tax-dodging wretch spouts:

Not mentioned at all on Hot Air, or Gateway Pundit, as far as I can see. Funny that.

…or any other place than one boring editorial in the NYT.

Yes, lying Steve lied again.

Token

2 Oct 12 at 4:07 pm
Hugh Hweitt gets into Obama’s head

President Obama has a number of “poker tells” which he displays when answering questions. They betray an increasing distance between his reply and the truth.

Talk show hosts love when the president gives one of his very rare press conference or any other occasion when he is off prompter. That is when these “tells” surface, giving all veteran Obama observers the verbal heads-up that the president has entered the land of thinly disguised fantasy or obvious dissembling.

Token

2 Oct 12 at 4:14 pm
Justice Steven Rares said Slipper could afford legal representation and had a public responsibility to attend court.

The judge said a letter sent by Mr Slipper around 4:30pm yesterday, saying that he would not be attending, was not good enough.

“It’s very unsatisfactory to be told that and to treat the court in a discourteous way,” Judge Rares said.

“This case cries out for complete resolution.”

After today’s hearing Justice Steven Rares ordered the men to enter mediation tomorrow. The case may then return to the Federal Court on Thursday if it is not resolved.

London to a brick that this goes back to court.

Cold-Hands

2 Oct 12 at 4:15 pm
Shouldn’t the justice find in the complainant’s favour now that Slipper is a no show?

blogstrop

2 Oct 12 at 4:19 pm
Anyone wanting to support Alan Jones here’s a petition (to the boycotting companies)
http://www.change.org/petitions/radio-2gb-advertisers-immediately-cease-boycotting-radio-station-2gb
Radio 2GB advertisers: Immediately cease boycotting radio station 2GB

val majkus

2 Oct 12 at 4:23 pm
Fairfax missed the internet

It’s funny how people who can’t get their own shit together always want to dictate how society should work.

Dangph

2 Oct 12 at 4:26 pm
Given that Slipper sent a note from his mum saying he wouldn’t be attending, the judge let him off with a slap on the wrist. However, I’ll bet that the judge won’t be doing him any favours from now on…

Cold-Hands

2 Oct 12 at 4:29 pm
“Socialism certainly did prescribe a particularly fanciful general human nature which failed to recognise this variety and which ignored the wide range of social institutions that social anthropology shows have developed to meet and mould this variety. Socialism prescribed its own form of moulding, fixated on equalising mediocrity in all things, and genderless, which was found wanting in the extreme when applied.”

I agree, and I’ve found it to be among the most frustrating factors when arguing with socialists. Their ideal societies seem to need, as a prerequisite for functioning, a wholesale change in human nature, the New Soviet Man in all but name.

I was recently making the case for the inevitability of competition for status regardless of economic system, and my opponent kept insisting that the only way to solve humanity’s problems was to do away with this primal urge (through means unspecified). I can only shake my head at such bizarre ideas – that we must remake people to satisfy ideology, rather than the other way around.

Jarrah

2 Oct 12 at 4:35 pm
7:30 will have John Laws on to talk about Alan Jones. Kind of like interviewing Dr Lecter about Buffalo Bill.

m0nty

2 Oct 12 at 4:37 pm
Hasn’t Laws died of shame yet? Obviously hasn’t listened to any of his poetry if he’s still kicking.

Infidel Tiger

2 Oct 12 at 4:43 pm
Almost minus two in temperate parts of NSW for October, some places hitting sub threes. Snowfields only just out of season. For the year, it didn’t even hit 40+ where I am for Jan-Feb, and it can get up over 40 degs and hit 45 degs as a normal summer.

Dot showing his mastery of climate science.

SteveC

2 Oct 12 at 4:43 pm
“It’s very unsatisfactory to be told that and to treat the court in a discourteous way,” Judge Rares said.”

Just goes to confirm that p. slipper was never a fit person to be the Speaker.

(I signed the petition, Val, thanks for putting it up).

candy

2 Oct 12 at 4:45 pm
In magical Right wing Republican land, arithmetic must be kept hidden from the public because its awesome power is too dangerous for common knowledge.

I would not surprise me if the Greens did support some form of this. Not outrightly banning maths as even they would see that as too blatant, but perhaps censoring the analysis of data or something similar. As Clive Hamilton will tell you, letting people think for themselves can end up limiting the correct type of progress we need.

John Mc

2 Oct 12 at 4:47 pm
Almost minus two in temperate parts of NSW for October, some places hitting sub threes. Snowfields only just out of season. For the year, it didn’t even hit 40+ where I am for Jan-Feb, and it can get up over 40 degs and hit 45 degs as a normal summer.

That’s right folks.

It is also representative of a global cooling trend since 1998.

Is less carbon dioxide being produced? Is the lag 15 years…

Dot showing his mastery of climate science.

More mastery of literacy and numeracy than you could ever pay an Asian kid to fake for yourself, Steve Clone.

.

2 Oct 12 at 4:49 pm
thanks Candy

val majkus

2 Oct 12 at 4:55 pm
Allergy warning SfB. Leave now. Hairy Ape mention coming.

So perhaps I just go to where people are interested in my views and seek them.

Stick around here DS and report back from your conferences. Many are interested. Take heart that no-one is going please all of the people all of the time. You (and I) are part of a larger community here who somehow manage to get along OK in spite of various differences in opinion and style. The different things people say and their way of saying them makes for an interesting site, I reckon.

I won’t be chased away. SfB was knocked-out in the first kick-boxing round, so not much of a mental challenge, whereas if I am in an imaginary kick-box bout with Da Hairy Ape (it does happen), then in my mind, and knowing his capacity for returning intellectual biffo, he lasts until about the third round before he staggers off to fight another day.

Be happy, DS. Life is short. Da big black and white dawgie is chasing da swooping little birdies in the waves near my window and they are both happy. I’ve just been to the hairdressers and got a good result, so I am too. SfB thinks it is some sort of Edelstein thing (not my style at all, Stevie), but the truth is all girls like to look nice for our Apes of variable hairiness and biffiness; it’s in our make-up.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

2 Oct 12 at 4:58 pm
In magical Right wing Republican land, arithmetic must be kept hidden from the public because its awesome power is too dangerous for common knowledge. And temperature rises of the air and the ocean (the latter of which appears to be news to some on this blog) will just stop, and the people will all dance and sing and shoot their guns in the air and live happily ever after with a teeny, tiny book of government laws which even a Princess could not feel under her mattress.

Steve, I am sorry, but that came across as pathetically desperate.

James in Melbourne

2 Oct 12 at 5:01 pm
It is also representative of a global cooling trend since 1998.

The misplaced belief in his own ability is astonishing, albeit a bit sad.

SteveC

2 Oct 12 at 5:02 pm
Obviously hasn’t listened to any of his poetry…

Thanks for reminding me of that – Wordsworth he ain’t!

Rabz

2 Oct 12 at 5:04 pm
Did you find the name of that suburb with the -43% house price change yet, null?

SteveC

2 Oct 12 at 5:05 pm
As clive hamilton will tell you, letting people think for themselves can end up limiting the correct type of progress we need.

Too bloody right – best we suspend democracy, quicksmart…

Rabz

2 Oct 12 at 5:07 pm
I won’t be chased away.

Thanks, you are one of the few people that keeps me here. I don’t know what Steve’s problem is because your references to Da Hairy Ape reflect a deep love and contentment that is sorely lacking in so many. I appreciate your very disciplined cognitive style, your breadth of knowledge, and sparkling intelligence. You are the sort of person I would sit down with for a few drinks and a gazillion words.

Be happy, DS. Life is short.

Yeah well I have maybe 15 years left in me. Too many iatrogenic conditions from a stupid surgeon. So the last 5 days have been filled with pain.

Dead Soul

2 Oct 12 at 5:09 pm
Alan Jones is another reason to be thankful you don’t live in Sydney.

H B Bear

2 Oct 12 at 5:13 pm
SFb, why are you being a nutter today?

Today?

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 5:13 pm
It is also representative of a global cooling trend since 1998.

The misplaced belief in his own ability is astonishing, albeit a bit sad.

Ok Let’s keep ability out of it.

Here is the data since 1998, from warmist hero Phil Jones.

Lazlo

2 Oct 12 at 5:14 pm
Obviously hasn’t listened to any of his poetry if he’s still kicking.

I thought they reserved his poetry for the guys that didn’t crack under waterboarding.

badm0f0

2 Oct 12 at 5:17 pm
I would not surprise me if the Greens did support some form of this. Not outrightly banning maths as even they would see that as too blatant, but perhaps censoring the analysis of data or something similar.

Much of the greens totally subjective “sustainability” doctrine is taught as science in school.

The NSW Science Curriculum support docs spends 50 pages concerning itself with “gender equity”, “diversity” and “Recognising Aboriginal students’ cultural attributes
and needs”.

Check this, this is from the support doc for the Science Curriculum in NSW:

efforts should be made to establish both in the classroom and in the broader school community a socio-cultural environment which promotes Aboriginality

that an intrinsic part of Aboriginal culture are spirit communications and the power of sacred places. It is important that teachers be aware of and respect this vital cultural difference.

In the science classroom teachers are directed to “respect” the fact that Aboriginal kids, and aboriginal kids alone, have religious views. No, not just respect, but to promote their “aboriginality” as standing alone from everybody else vis-a-vis science.

But that’s not the best bit, here’s the Pièce de résistance:

Science and technology in Aboriginal culture are based on detailed and intimate knowledge and experience of the Australian environment.
In the past such knowledge and experience were largely unknown to Europeans, and as a result the impact of European settlement on the Australian environment has been significant and in many ways destructive. In recent years, however, Aboriginal knowledge and experience have begun to be understood and valued. Environmental attitudes of many other Australians now have more in common with Aboriginal people’s respect for the land. It is the responsibility of all educators to emphasise and encourage this process.

Fuck Galilleo, Copernicus and Einstein! The “science and technology” of pre settlement Aboriginals is what kids must be forced to learn from in order to achieve the correct “attitude”.

Probably the most patronising and racist official document I’ve ever read: http://k6.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/files/science-and-technology/k6_scitech_supdoc.pdf

twostix

2 Oct 12 at 5:18 pm
Token, you dimwit. Why didn’t you try news Googling something like “Paul Ryan Fox tax policy”. There’s a couple of hundred links under the first result alone.

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 5:22 pm
SfB allergy alert. Prepar to depart. Small hints of HIA.
———————————

It’s a good red shared in thoughts for us both tonight then, DS. Don’t count the years, enjoy the days. Too many of them left to count and who is to say that the year number won’t change anyway? (HIA gets very cross at the TV spruiking ad saying that this may be the last generation to die of cancer: nice of you to say so, always happy to oblige, he mutters sourly).

I can only shake my head at such bizarre ideas – that we must remake people to satisfy ideology, rather than the other way around.

Bravo, Jarrah. But what actually is ‘ideology’? Why keep it?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

2 Oct 12 at 5:29 pm
Obviously hasn’t listened to any of his poetry if he’s still kicking.

I thought they reserved his poetry for the guys that didn’t crack under waterboarding.

When I first heard it I understood what Ford & Arthur went through during that Vogon Poetry reading.

Token

2 Oct 12 at 5:33 pm
Stix

That’s pretty jawpdropping stuff. Thanks the the info. Next time a leftwing turd wants to talk about the “unsciencey” Right, I ram the fuckers face in that shit.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 5:36 pm
the impact of European settlement on the Australian environment has been significant and in many ways destructive. In recent years, however, Aboriginal knowledge and experience have begun to be understood and valued

The aborigines fire-farmed the hell out of the environment so much so that only eucalypts (which can be regarded as a weed species) survived due to their capacity to both create fire (eucalyptus burns well) and to set seed under conditions of fire.

No destructive impact there of course.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

2 Oct 12 at 5:37 pm
Oops I’ll..

JC

2 Oct 12 at 5:37 pm
Democrat Pat Caddell: “There Is a Purposeful Conscious Effort to Suppress News That Might Hurt Obama” (Video)

Democratic party operative and pollster Pat Caddell told Bill O’Reilly tonight that there is a purposeful conscious effort to suppress news that might hurt Obama.

“Whether its organized or a straight conspiracy and we have gone down a slippery slope here. Look Bill, we’ve had liberal bias or bias in the press for a long time. And it’s gotten worse starting in 2008. But now we’ve got a press that is actively engaged in a reelection – putting out a narrative that Romney is a loser, they’re running polls… But Romney’s not my issue here. More importantly they not only decided to support Obama. On this issue the last two weeks what we see is a press that has decided that it will not tell the American people the truth.”

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 5:40 pm
I appreciate your very disciplined cognitive style, your breadth of knowledge, and sparkling intelligence. You are the sort of person I would sit down with for a few drinks and a gazillion words.

Gawd. Sounds like love is in the air.

I said Lizzie was capable of intelligent comment, sometimes. Not on climate change, that’s for sure. Or on Gillard, or feminism generally. She’s happy to watch the generic and over the top misogyny against any woman not on the “right” side of politics that is so common in threads; and excuse it in fact, as she did with JC’s ridiculous OTT comment on the Brunswick walk yesterday.

As it happens, I have a dislike for all affectation towards spouses on forums like this: “the child bride” irritates me no end as well.

But Lizzie you are obviously adored across the land, and apparently this means that I am “bullying” you when calling you an annoying wanker equivalent in response to your calling me an emasculated male; which you have, quite often.

My apologies, gracious Queen of Catallaxy. Your subjects await you….

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 5:40 pm
The aborigines fire-farmed the hell out of the environment

FFS, I don’t mean to disrespect them but they were stone age freaking people and hunter gatherers.

Pretending otherwise is outright denialism. The real sort.

Aboriginals ought to be disgusted at this leftist brownnosing.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 5:43 pm
“But what actually is ‘ideology’? Why keep it?”

It’s more a case of being unable to avoid it. It’s often contrasted against ‘pragmatism’, but that’s just another ideology – or used as a rationalisation of a particular one.

Jarrah

2 Oct 12 at 5:52 pm
Study: Baby Boomers’ Health Very Poor, Getting Worse

Australian researchers from Adelaide’s three universities have completed the first stage of a report on the generation born between the end of the Second World War and the mid-1960s.

Obesity among baby boomers is more than double the rate of their parents at the same age, and boomers with three or more chronic conditions was 700 percent greater than the previous generation.

Professor Graeme Hugo from the University of Adelaide said the findings were alarming and evidence that new public policies were needed.

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 5:53 pm
…and excuse it in fact, as she did with JC’s ridiculous OTT comment on the Brunswick walk yesterday.

You hypocritical turd. You even sorta concurred/ sympathized with me seeing this is what you said.

As for the march in Melbourne: well there was a feminist element to it,

I’d deck you, if you were in front of me right now, Stepford.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 5:56 pm
That’s funny. Pat Caddell sure doesn’t sound like a “Democratic Party operative”. And, in fact, here’s his Wikipedia entry explaining that it’s rather misleading to call him such:

In 1988, Caddell left the Democratic Party after an acrimonious lawsuit with a Democratic consulting firm, Caddell, Doak and Shrum. Republicans would often cite Caddell’s tirades against the Democratic Party when they spoke on the floor of the House and the Senate.[3][4][5]

According to researchers, Caddell had wide influence in the Carter White House, and was the chief advocate of what later became known as Carter’s “malaise speech”.[6]

His analysis on polls and campaign issues often puts him at odds with the current leadership of the Democratic Party. He has been criticized for predicting the downfall of the Democratic party.[7][8] Critics point out that he has defended the Bush administration by arguing that Republicans did not exploit the issue of gay marriage in the presidential election of 2004.[citation needed] He also denounced Democrats in the House who voted against the Palm Sunday Compromise, which sought to reinstate Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube, as “cold blooded,”[citation needed] and called environmentalism “a conspiracy ‘to basically deconstruct capitalism.’”[1]

Caddell is a regular guest on the Fox News Channel, and he is listed as an official ‘Fox News Contributor’. This has earned him the label of a “Fox News Democrat” by critics such as liberal opinion magazine Salon.com[1] He has also frequently appeared on the conservative website Ricochet.com discussing politics.[9][10][11]

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 5:58 pm
Lizzie

Ignore the climate betwetter. He’s just jealous he’s not the man the hairy ape is and he’s not the woman you are and all the other gals here.

The jealousy he feels is right out in the open.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 5:59 pm
FT: Banks reap profits on mortgages after QE3

Bank profits from new mortgages have soared since the Federal Reserve began its third round of bond purchases two weeks ago, fuelling the debate over the fallout of the latest dose of quantitative easing.

The extent to which QE3 drives down new mortgage rates and helps homeowners or is pocketed by banks will be crucial to the success of the policy and the prospects for growth in the US and global economies next year.

The rise in profit earned by banks from creating new mortgages came as Fed chairman Ben Bernanke sought to defend QE3 against attacks from Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney and other critics. Mr Romney said last week the Fed was keeping interest rates “artificially low”.

Speaking in Indianapolis on Monday, Mr Bernanke said it would be “inappropriate” and “ineffective” for the Fed to raise interest rates to put pressure on Congress to tackle the deficit. QE3 would not lead to long-term inflation, he said, adding that stronger growth would help savers in the long run despite low interest rates today.

Although the average rate on a fixed 30-year mortgage reached 3.4 per cent this week – a record low – mortgage rates could be lower if banks passed on the full drop in their funding costs.

“For banks which are mortgage originators this [QE3] was some of the best news they could possibly have heard,” said Steven Abrahams, mortgage strategist at Deutsche. “They will continue originating loans and selling them into the market at a significant premium.”

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 6:00 pm
Cadell is a Clinton middle of the road dem, Stepford.

It’s because Clinton’s party has moved so far to the left that Pat appears out of place.

No fuck off . Shoo.

And Clinton will likely vote for Romney.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 6:02 pm
In recent years, however, Aboriginal knowledge and experience have begun to be understood and valued. Environmental attitudes of many other Australians now have more in common with Aboriginal people’s respect for the land.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/mythologise_this/

Ivan Denisovich

2 Oct 12 at 6:05 pm
He has also frequently appeared on the conservative website Ricochet.com discussing politics

LOL

liar cites wikipedia apropos of nothing much at all.

Cadell and Schoen were both Dem operatives and pollsters.

Moreover they both criticise Romney and the GOP

Where has Cadell been a booster of/approved of the GOP liar-steve™?

I’m a member of Ricochet.

Cadell regularly calls the GOP the “Stupid Party” there.

He’s there to argue the lefty liberal perspective.

I agree with Cadell on the corruption of the MSM and I agree with his characterisation of the GOP.

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 6:07 pm
It’s because Clinton’s party has moved so far to the left

No, the Democrats are pretty much where they have always been – you’re mistaking the Republicans’ run towards (and over the edge of) the Cliff of Credibility (to the Right of them) as being movement on the part of the other party.

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 6:10 pm
Ok Let’s keep ability out of it.

Here is the data since 1998, from warmist hero Phil Jones.

You stupid, stupid “man”, Steve C.

PS Idiot – the suburb you are looking for is Neutral Bay for 2 br units between 2007 Q3 and 2008 Q1. Actual prices could be more and the median price might be a little less.

Run along, fuckwit.

.

2 Oct 12 at 6:10 pm
Cadell is a Clinton middle of the road dem, Stepford.

Cadell is one of the now few Dems who still believe in the Constitution of the United States of America, JC.

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 6:12 pm
No, the Democrats are pretty much where they have always been

I actually believe in redistribution

- President Obama

.

2 Oct 12 at 6:13 pm
No, the Democrats are pretty much where they have always been

You’re the complete tosser liar.

Obumma and Nancy Pelosi vs Clinton and JFK.

ROTFLMAO

The DNC floor clearly recently voted against an Israeli Jerusalem and God

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 6:15 pm
No, the Democrats are pretty much where they have always been

JFK was a pussy loving, tax cutting, commie hating son of a gun. BHO is a homosexual, Marxist, bastard son.

Infidel Tiger

2 Oct 12 at 6:19 pm
I’m a member of Ricochet.

Cadell regularly calls the GOP the “Stupid Party” there.

He regularly gets stuck into the Republicans. Like Juan Williams and other Dems on Fox, he is not chased away as Republicans are not a voodoo cult whose ears will bleed if they here disenting opinions.

Token

2 Oct 12 at 6:19 pm
James

It’s just that there a possibly 3 decent and honest demolitionists in the entire US now , so Pat sounds like a republican.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 6:20 pm
It’s just that there a possibly 3 decent and honest demolitionists in the entire US now , so Pat sounds like a republican.

It’s said that Pelosi was pleased in 2010 as the election cleaned out any of the few remaining moderate or pro-life Dems

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 6:24 pm
I see Caddell was calling the state of American opinion “pre-revolutionary” on Fox News in 2010, adding things like:

“A sea of anger is churning — the tea parties are but the tip of the iceberg. People say they want to take their country back, and, to the Democrats’ chagrin, they’re very serious about it.”

Funny, but from here it looks like the Tea Party influence is what is going to sink Romney.

Where ever he lies on the political spectrum, Caddell just sounds like a wanker.

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 6:27 pm
Funny, but from here it looks like the Tea Party influence is what is going to sink Romney.

LOL

If that is what you ‘think’ liar, make an argument in support of it.

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 6:28 pm
“The DNC floor clearly recently voted against an Israeli Jerusalem and God”

They voted against God? I didn’t realise He was running for anything.

Jarrah

2 Oct 12 at 6:29 pm
Are You Kidding Me? Romney’s Garbage Man Blasts Him In New Political Ad

“My name is Richard Hayes, and I pick up Mitt Romney’s trash. We’re kind of like the invisible people. He doesn’t realize that the service we provide — if it wasn’t for us, it would be a big health issue, us not picking up trash.

“Residents do come out and shake our hands. Sometimes they give us hugs and thank us for the job we’re doing, hand us water and Gatorades. Tell us we’re doing a good job and keep up the good work. Picking up 15, 16 tons by hand, that takes a toll on your body. When I’m 55, 60 years old, I know my body’s gonna be break down [sic]. Mitt Romney doesn’t care about that.”

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 6:30 pm
Funny, but from here it looks like the Tea Party influence is what is going to sink Romney.

The 2010 mid terms delivered an historic kick in the vagina to Obama’s Presidency on the back of the Tea Party.

You’re a very dumb person.

Infidel Tiger

2 Oct 12 at 6:30 pm
Caddell just sounds like a wanker.

Take that to the ” takes one to know one ” thread.

jumpnmcar

2 Oct 12 at 6:31 pm
Back in the day, sfb was out there supporting ‘Raygun’ on the lawns of UQ.

dover_beach

2 Oct 12 at 6:33 pm
I appreciate your very disciplined cognitive style, your breadth of knowledge, and sparkling intelligence. You are the sort of person I would sit down with for a few drinks and a gazillion words.

Hear, hear. (Wish I’d said that).

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 6:34 pm
Brett Stephens, WSJ: Benghazi Was Obama’s 3 a.m. Call
Libya was a failure of policy and worldview, not intelligence.

No doubt the administration would now like to shift blame to Mr. Clapper. But what happened in Benghazi was not a failure of intelligence. It was a failure of policy, stemming from a flawed worldview and the political needs of an election season.

Let’s review:

The U.S. ignores warnings of a parlous security situation in Benghazi. Nothing happens because nobody is really paying attention, especially in an election year, and because Libya is supposed to be a foreign-policy success. When something does happen, the administration’s concerns for the safety of Americans are subordinated to considerations of Libyan “sovereignty” and the need for “permission.” After the attack the administration blames a video, perhaps because it would be politically inconvenient to note that al Qaeda is far from defeated, and that we are no more popular under Mr. Obama than we were under George W. Bush. Denouncing the video also appeals to the administration’s reflexive habits of blaming America first. Once that story falls apart, it’s time to blame the intel munchkins and move on.

It was five in the afternoon when Mr. Obama took his 3 a.m. call. He still flubbed it.

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 6:34 pm
The last line says it all.

dover_beach

2 Oct 12 at 6:38 pm
Walter Russell Mead:Thank God W Isn’t President Anymore

If George W. Bush were president now, and had ordered the surge and was responsible for the strategic decisions taken and not taken in Afghanistan over the last four years, the mainstream press would be rubbing our noses in his miserable failures and inexcusable blunders 24/7. The New York Times and the Washington Post would be treating us to pictures of every fallen soldier. The PBS Newshour would feature nightly post-mortems on “America’s failed strategies in the Afghan War” and every arm-chair strategist in America would be filling the op-ed pages with the brilliant 20/20 hindsight ideas that our pathetic, clueless, failed president was too dumb and too cocky to have had.

There would be no end to the woes and the recriminations. There would be the most moving and eloquent examples of hand wringing in the New York Review of Books, elegantly demonstrating that the cretinous assumptions and moral failings that led Bush into his failed Afghan policy weren’t his alone, but reflected broader, deeper failings in America itself. One is almost sorry for the sake of the authors of these diatribes that Bush is gone; the failure of our Afghan strategy is so sweeping, so unavoidable, that it would be the best possible backdrop against which to paint a stirring portrait of a failed president misleading a flawed people. What works of polemical literature have been lost, what inspired jeremiads will never be penned, what scalding portraits of America’s inherent flaws will never see the light of day because W left the White House too soon.

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 6:40 pm
Science and technology in Aboriginal culture…

LOL.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 6:40 pm
What The Washington Post really thinks of capitalists and entrepreneurs:

I am a job creator: A manifesto for the entitled

I am a corporate chief executive.

I am a business owner.

I am a private-equity fund manager.

I am the misunderstood superhero of American capitalism, single-handedly creating wealth and prosperity despite all the obstacles put in my way by employees, government and the media.

I am a job creator and I am entitled.

I am entitled to complain about the economy even when my stock price, my portfolio and my profits are at record levels.

I am entitled to a healthy and well-educated workforce, a modern and efficient transportation system and protection for my person and property, just as I am entitled to demonize the government workers who provide them.

I am entitled to complain bitterly about taxes that are always too high, even when they are at record lows.

I am entitled to a judicial system that efficiently enforces contracts and legal obligations on customers, suppliers and employees but does not afford them the same right in return.

etc etc ad nausseum

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 6:47 pm
Hey, Petal Van Olsen has blocked me on twitter!
Sent me a DM:

Yeah I always run alp talking points u fool…blocking on basis of stupidity! Learn to read to recognise how hard I have been on this govt

Woolfe

2 Oct 12 at 6:53 pm
Woolfe

To be honest, I think Val Olsen is a libertarian type who doesn’t like big government of any stripe – right or left.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 6:56 pm
The NSW Science Curriculum support docs spends 50 pages concerning itself with “gender equity”, “diversity” and “Recognising Aboriginal students’ cultural attributes
and needs”.

The real culture war is in the school curriculum and the left have won. That’s mostly because the other team didn’t show up for the game, so they won by forfeit.

dd

2 Oct 12 at 6:59 pm
JC
Doesn’t like criticism either!

Woolfe

2 Oct 12 at 6:59 pm
Science and technology in Aboriginal culture…

haaaaaaaar

Supplice

2 Oct 12 at 7:00 pm
DD, you are right.

dover_beach

2 Oct 12 at 7:00 pm
To be honest, I think Val Olsen is a libertarian type who doesn’t like big government of any stripe – right or left.

You couldn’t be more wrong. He’s a Turnbullist with Rudd’s personality.

Infidel Tiger

2 Oct 12 at 7:01 pm
He’s a Turnbullist with Rudd’s personality.

Are you saying he’s demonic, IT?

dover_beach

2 Oct 12 at 7:02 pm
Nailed it IT.

H B Bear

2 Oct 12 at 7:05 pm
Trustworthy?

Change.org’s no.1 petition is for people to support a boycott of Jones’ show.

Why should we trust them to at the same time honestly run a petition to support Jones?

Septimus

2 Oct 12 at 7:05 pm
The stupid thing about all this luvvie adoration of Aboriginal culture is that it is so at odds with what the culture was really like.

I have Aboriginal friends, and have been out bush with them. Their attitude to plants and animals is totally unsentimental – club ‘em and eat ‘em, or burn the bloody lot and see what comes running out that is edible. It is true that individuals may have a particular animal that is sacred to them, but as for the other 99.99999% of critters, they are just food. Oh, and they are not at all fussed about modern notions of cruelty to animals when they hunt and slaughter them.

The romantic overlay which these pathetic excuses for educators put over the culture is privately sniggered at by many Aboriginals, although they are very good at staying po-faced in public!

johanna

2 Oct 12 at 7:09 pm
SOB, why is Gillard laying low? When do you expect her back?

DavidJ

2 Oct 12 at 7:12 pm
That’s pretty jawpdropping stuff. Thanks the the info. Next time a leftwing turd wants to talk about the “unsciencey” Right, I ram the fuckers face in that shit.

At the end of every module there’s a “Special Considerations” section which reminds the science teacher that there’s various leftist protected groups in their class and how to deal with them. So after twenty pages of the importance of “Equality” we get this in relation to a module where they create an “adventure game”:

Special considerations
ESL/NESB/Aboriginal Students Some adventure games can reflect a multiplicity of cultural names because they allow users to put their own name into the game.
If an adventure game reflects a Western consciousness, then discuss this with the students rather than not using the game at all and hence, perhaps, denying the students a good learning experience.

If?? In a western school “IF” something reflects western “consciousness”?

Girls
Adventure games with violence in them are not attractive to girls. Violence is unacceptable in adventure games for boys and girls. Some games create unacceptable stereotypes for males and females. Some games are aimed at male players, eg when the goal is to rescue the princess, or the player must take on a pre-defined male role. Such games are unacceptable.

Equality.

twostix

2 Oct 12 at 7:14 pm
Aboriginal culture was fantastic. Everyday was a fun filled adventure of starvation and rape until the white man came.

Infidel Tiger

2 Oct 12 at 7:15 pm
Some games create unacceptable stereotypes for males and females. Some games are aimed at male players, eg when the goal is to rescue the princess, or the player must take on a pre-defined male role. Such games are unacceptable.

Yes and we must breed testosterone out of existence.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 7:23 pm
Woolfe

To be honest, I think Val Olsen is a libertarian type who doesn’t like big government of any stripe – right or left

That’s just wrong JC.

PvO is a progressive lefty possibly with a fiscal conservative bent.

He’s like a RINO who thinks university elites should run the country unencumbered with union thugs basically.

He’s the type of creep that makes union thugs like Conroy look attractive.

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 7:25 pm
Gab

See what I wrote at 8.25 PM yesterday.

.

2 Oct 12 at 7:30 pm
From Lizzie’s comment earlier:

Young boys need to be ‘born’ by men – in fact certain initiation rituals do precisely that, imitate a ‘tunnel’, a social vagina through which young men are issued forth by the adult males into male status.

Many Aboriginal tribes practised this initiation ritual – to complete the mock-vagina the men forming the passage would make a subincision into their penises so blood would flow onto the heads of those who passed below. Something like women give birth to children, men give birth to warriors.

If they actually taught a warts-and-all version of Aboriginal culture rather than mythologised crap it would actually be pretty interesting and people might come to appreciate our own culture – and civilisation – a bit more.

Andreas

2 Oct 12 at 7:32 pm
Quick: go to ABC1 to see a mummified John Laws talking about Alan Jones.

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 7:40 pm
Oh, and they are not at all fussed about modern notions of cruelty to animals when they hunt and slaughter them.

Lol… I once watched a program about the Top End aboriginals. The look of horror on the faces of the white idiots was hysterical as couple of indig landed a turtle with one dude smashing its head with blood’s splattering everywhere and the body contorting around. They were in a state of shock.

I think it was this one.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 7:41 pm
I think it was some mystical elixir of life that he was clutching during the entire interview. He had to have a sip at the end.

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 7:44 pm
Doesn’t like criticism either!

Lol. He sounds think skinned.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 7:44 pm
I swear in 50 years I bet the left will be using these documents as incontrovertible proof of the clear institutional racism in evil old 2000 era racist Australia.

And they’ll blame it all on the right too.

Check it and remember this is all from NSW K-6 Science Curriculum:

efforts should be made to establish both in the classroom and in the broader school community a socio-cultural environment which promotes Aboriginality

When there are Aboriginal students in the class, students should be encouraged to look at artefacts from Aboriginal cultures.

Incorporate group work and movement in the lesson which is suitable for Aboriginal students.

Aboriginal students learn well through demonstration and imitation and these processes are important for this strategy.

Many Aboriginal people regard direct questioning as personally intrusive and threatening. Aboriginal students may not ask direct questions of the teacher.

Support the Aboriginal student’s need to achieve whilst respecting Aboriginal non-competitive attitudes towards achievement.

In teaching Aboriginal students it must be remembered that devaluing any aspect of Aboriginal culture may alienate not only Aboriginal students but also their communities.

one key home experience is that many Aboriginal students come to school speaking Aboriginal English. Where students use Aboriginal English teachers must respect and encourage the maintenance of this home anguage if Aboriginal students are to succeed in their education.

for complex socio-cultural reasons Aboriginal children have a high incidence of hearing impairment caused by middle ear infections, the effects of which may be intermittent. Teachers should always be
aware of this possibility

have opportunities to further enhance their
self-esteem and promote a positive image, especially in their ethnic identity, through such bulletin board projects as The Festival Recipe Book.

But then elsewhere…

Take care not to promote a particular culture.

The content and theme of this document, and the utterly patronising and clinical attitude towards Aboriginals could have been lifted ad-hoc from some 1890′s outback Lutheran Mission’s training manual.

twostix

2 Oct 12 at 7:45 pm
Bring back the missions, and re-colonise Africa. The other way has failed.

blogstrop

2 Oct 12 at 7:49 pm
The content and theme of this document, and the utterly patronising and clinical attitude towards Aboriginals could have been lifted ad-hoc from some 1890′s outback Lutheran Mission’s training manual.

Too right. I think it was Bolta who succinctly said that the Left want to keep Aboriginies as permanent museum exhibits.

Fuck their “good intentions”… the Left are a pack of brainless social wreckers.

Feral Abacus

2 Oct 12 at 7:52 pm
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JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 7:53 pm
I had to stop pretty early on JC.

“Serene waters”…dumb bitch. Did you see any tourists fucking swimming there? Duh…might be the various reef sharks and salties…yep very fucken serene once you’ve expired.

Yes ABC luvvies, give them land rights and tell them you respect their culture but demand they have kill floor procedures like a modern, $30 mln slaughterhouse complex.

Dummies.

.

2 Oct 12 at 7:54 pm
Fuck their “good intentions”… the Left are a pack of brainless social wreckers.

It’s just brown nosing , that’s all. It’s so patronizingly racist too.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 7:55 pm
twostix: I agree that there is too much of a romantic and politically correct attitude towards aboriginal culture in academia, and there is too much effort to not offend by inflating their cultural achievements into something more worthy than it really was.

That said, I think you’re really straining to take offence at a lot of what is in that document. I see large parts of it as being unremarkable, and simply a call for cultural sensitivity in the classroom, which is probably already there in most teachers who deal with a lot of aboriginal students anyway.

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 7:58 pm
Last one, which perfectly displays the utter racism and anti-science inherent in the K-6 NSW Science Curriculum.

Accompanying the teaching of the very essence of science, testing and experimentation, comes this warning to teachers:

Aboriginal students may need to be encouraged to trial and test ideas because they may not be interested in this strategy to explain things which are fixed in their culture. If students are doing this the teacher must start with the students’ interests. Aboriginal students may know their environment and therefore may not need to test or trial .
Be careful not to stereotype individuals or groups when testing socio-cultural backgrounds or concepts.

Testing/experimentation is a feature of Western science. Many cultures do not use this.

If testing is based on socio-cultural factors, eg eye colour, be sensitive to Aboriginal people.

Not only schizophrenic but bordering on psychopathic, disgustingly racist, utterly un-self aware and being inflicted on half a million primary school kids every day.

How did this happen?

twostix

2 Oct 12 at 7:59 pm
WSJ: The 60th Vote Regrets
Now Jim Webb and Evan Bayh tell us.

One of the tragedies of the Obama Administration is the historic political accident that it had 60 Senate Democratic votes in 2009. The ability to break a filibuster without Republican votes empowered the left to think it could pass anything, and so it steamrolled ahead with ObamaCare, which needed every one of those 60 votes to pass.

Now a couple of those Senators are expressing regrets about those votes after the fact. In our pages last week, former Indiana Democrat Evan Bayh rehearsed the looming economic damage from ObamaCare’s medical-device tax. He described, as some of us predicted in 2009 during the debate, how the tax is sending jobs and investment overseas in an industry where the U.S. still leads the world. Mr. Bayh, who retired after 2010, provided the 60th vote for ObamaCare to pass.

Another 60th vote, Virginia Senator Jim Webb, is also expressing second thoughts as he heads for retirement this year after one term. “My great regret on that is that I believe the whole health-care issue could have been handled differently by the Administration and over here,” he told MSNBC recently. “I think the way that the process was put forward without a clear set of principles from the Administration caused a lot of fear in the country. We had seven different or five different committees boiling up 7,000 pages of contradictory information.” …………..

A second irony is that Democrats only had those 60 Senate votes because of a series of improbable and corrupt events. Mr. Webb won his race by a hair in 2006 after incumbent George Allen stupidly uttered the word “macaca,” and the media portrayed him as racist. Alaska’s Ted Stevens lost his seat in 2008 by 3,724 votes after he was convicted eight days before the election in a trial in which the Justice Department withheld crucial evidence. He was later exonerated. And Al Franken, who was trailing on Election Day, managed to steal the Minnesota recount in 2008 by 312 votes from a hapless Norm Coleman.

Add the Louisiana Purchase, the Cornhusker Kickback and the other special deals that President Obama used to buy Senate Democratic votes for ObamaCare, and you have the first major new entitlement in history that passed along strictly partisan lines and is as unpopular today as it was on the day it passed.

Messrs. Webb and Bayh can lament what might have been, but the bitter truth is that the only way voters can undo their damage is by defeating Mr. Obama in November and electing a Republican Senate. Otherwise, both men will have left their country economically weaker and health care less affordable than it was when they decided to run for office. That should be their real regret.

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 8:00 pm
Yes ABC luvvies, give them land rights and tell them you respect their culture but demand they have kill floor procedures like a modern, $30 mln slaughterhouse complex.

Use a stun gun developed from the ancient aboriginal science laboratories.

In other words they shouldn’t have used a grey brick they had handy. It should have been a big fucking rock.

Lets give them land rights and let them be aboriginal. Oh no, you can’t kill a turtle like that.

Fucking, fucking asshats.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 8:00 pm
whilst respecting Aboriginal non-competitive attitudes towards achievement

???

Mundine got shafted (well, Blacklock more so) and so he tried another sport and went very well, despite having the personality of a anthropomorphic boss hog.

Seriously. Let’s buy whoever wrote this crap tickets to a good NRL game. (Even though Rugby League is dead to me).

.

2 Oct 12 at 8:05 pm
Surprise surprise, SfB, our very own scientific establishment zealot and leftist doesn’t think intertwining Aboriginal religion into the Science Curriculmn and ramming it home in every single module while conspicuously pointing out that aboriginals are “different” and not as capable as everyone else in the class is anything to think about.

twostix

2 Oct 12 at 8:09 pm
ferbo: someone incited hated

Ah yes ferbo. Your posts are about as pleasant and affable as being glassed at a South West Sydney tittie bar.

.

2 Oct 12 at 8:12 pm
Lets give them land rights and let them be aboriginal. Oh no, you can’t kill a turtle like that.

Fucking, fucking asshats.

That’s just Multiculturalism – where you and your “culture” do as you’re told by the Aussie left and not one thing more.

twostix

2 Oct 12 at 8:15 pm
In what way have the “cultural achievements” been less worthy than represented, do you think?

Oh how about this compared to this, you fucking idiot.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 8:15 pm
What “cultural achievements” did this hunter-gatherer culture achieve? No cities, no wheel, only some tribes discovered agriculture… it’s hardly a proud list of milestones.

Cold-Hands

2 Oct 12 at 8:15 pm
So the tribunal has official thrown any illusion of propriety out the window today.

You’d think they would have waited a week or two to ensure it wasn’t seen as activism.

But of course this “scandal” would be forgotten then and the ruling wouldn’t have had the same political impact now would it?

Did they rush it though? Or have they been sitting on it waiting for the right moment to release it?

twostix

2 Oct 12 at 8:19 pm
I’d say the fact that Western Sydney has been turned into a warzone by uninvited guests incites hatred too…

Feral Abacus

2 Oct 12 at 8:19 pm
It’s still a sad state of affairs, given the interventions that Aboriginal children have so many ear infections, leading to partial deafnesss and then school dysfunction, poor education and all that follows.

Seems a simple thing – antibiotics for kids with sore ears but somewhere it still all goes wrong. Can it just be distance to a doctor.

candy

2 Oct 12 at 8:24 pm
So the tribunal has official thrown any illusion of propriety out the window today.

They’re basically attempting to “Bolt” the Right now. That’s where it’s headed.

This is why it’s absolutely imperative that on taking government- at the very least- the Right must institute their own version of hatred laws.

Call rich people like Twiggy and Gina Rhinehart liars and thieves?

That should score legal sanction of severe proportions.

Criticize market based principles?

Get your leftwing arse kicked from here to Sunday.

Make accusations of glimate denilialsim?

Treat it legally like racism.

You use their laws to kick the absolute living shit out of them to teach them a lesson they never forget.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 8:26 pm
Yes it does seem coincidental that the Tribunal released the decision today when the vilification of Jones is at it’s peak.

Yes, very coincidental.

And it took 7 years to resolve- how does that work? Fair Work Australia seems efficient compared to these cowards.

DaveF

2 Oct 12 at 8:27 pm
Each one of those is a lie, ferbo.

.

2 Oct 12 at 8:33 pm
Seems a simple thing – antibiotics for kids with sore ears but somewhere it still all goes wrong. Can it just be distance to a doctor.

No.

Even small aboriginal settlements have a health centre with a nurse that doles out antibiotics for children.

That’s to prevent the extraordinarily high incidence in aboriginal people of not just deafness but of childhood rheumatic fever with the consequent long term problems of heart valve disorders in early/middle aged adult life.

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 8:34 pm
I’m neither old nor angry and my bile is fucking righteous.

Feral Abacus

2 Oct 12 at 8:35 pm
Each one of those is a lie, ferbo.

That’s only because febbie is an unreformed lying slut dot.

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 8:36 pm
“That’s to prevent the extraordinarily high incidence in aboriginal people of not just deafness but of childhood rheumatic fever with the consequent long term problems of heart valve disorders in early/middle aged adult life.”

why high incidence, James K, but I guess it’s a feature of poverty in any culture?

candy

2 Oct 12 at 8:36 pm
This site is a great pile of moronic bile vomited from old men.

Is Candy an old man?

I used to think so but not anymore.

twostix

2 Oct 12 at 8:37 pm
@ Candy

Seems a simple thing – antibiotics for kids with sore ears but somewhere it still all goes wrong. Can it just be distance to a doctor.

From memory it’s only prevalent in the NT where the kids aren’t washed properly and the flies create the infection that leads to poor hearing. Same with eye problems (glaucoma?). Its more a hygiene than a medical thing.

And not really relevant to the bulk of aboriginal children.

Or it could be a complex socio-cultural thing.

DaveF

2 Oct 12 at 8:38 pm
This site is a great pile of moronic bile vomited from old men.

You’re right to be angry. Your lives are empty and fucked.

Target acquired. Keep bombing.

Infidel Tiger

2 Oct 12 at 8:38 pm
“Did they rush it though? Or have they been sitting on it waiting for the right moment to release it?”

sounds like a co-oridnated effort to descredit Alan Jones or am I seeing conspiracies, is that what having this particular lying ALP government does to one?

candy

2 Oct 12 at 8:42 pm
They’re basically attempting to “Bolt” the Right now. That’s where it’s headed.

Does anybody even listen to Alan Jones?

The Australian left really have absolutely no ideas of their own though – the yank left try and do exactly the same to Limbaugh six months ago then, surprise! The Aussie left copy them in totality against their local version.

So utterly pathetic.

twostix

2 Oct 12 at 8:45 pm
febro is ‘manning’ the only AA-battery to ever employ a pea-gun.

dover_beach

2 Oct 12 at 8:47 pm
the yank left try and do exactly the same to Limbaugh six months ago then, surprise! The Aussie left copy them in totality

You mean they’re like our fashion industry?

dover_beach

2 Oct 12 at 8:48 pm
sounds like a co-oridnated effort to descredit Alan Jones or am I seeing conspiracies, is that what having this particular lying ALP government does to one?

They overtly and unapologetically organised a race riot against the soon to be PM Tony Abbott.

The AFP deemed there to be nothing to answer for – despite the key organiser fleeing the country.

FWA aided and abbetted the government in protecting Craig Thompson.

Treasury comes out with crank numbers to help the government win political debates.

Conroy boasts about having “unfettered legal power”.

This is how the modern left rolls.

twostix

2 Oct 12 at 8:49 pm
Gab.Gab,Gab
Your real good at finding transcripts and stuff, can you
(pretty) please find the bit on Peter van Olsen getting his freckle torn apart by Michael Kroger tonight on Sky 601 “showdown ”
It was epic, brutal and justified.
Front foot Kroger spanked the clown. LOL
( You’ll love it ,Probably out 2morra, worth the wait )

jumpnmcar

2 Oct 12 at 8:50 pm
febro is ‘manning’ the only AA-battery to ever employ a pea-gun.

I don’t know what this is about – haven’t scrolled up yet – but it’s darn funny, Dover.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 8:52 pm
I’ll have a look see, Jump.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 8:53 pm
This site is a great pile of moronic bile vomited from old men.

You’re right to be angry. Your lives are empty and fucked.

You’re so tomorrow, Fungus, you dear little thing. And so brave. It’s nearly nine o’clock. Mum will be wondering where you are.

Tom

2 Oct 12 at 8:54 pm
You mean they’re like our fashion industry?

Or our movie industry.

Or our various bureaucracies.

Any area that is stuffed to the gills with leftists is guaranteed to be lifting 100% of their work and ideas from the US and UK.

twostix

2 Oct 12 at 8:55 pm
Wow. So John Laws embarrassed the fanta pants off Sales on the 7:30 Report tonight? Another leftist own goal.

Infidel Tiger

2 Oct 12 at 8:56 pm
So John Laws embarrassed the fanta pants off Sales on the 7:30 Report tonight?

It was a strong performance for someone recently embalmed, I’ll give you that.

steve from brisbane

2 Oct 12 at 9:01 pm
I’ll have a look see, Jump.

Ta Gab, It was as bare knuckle as an “interview ” get on Aust TV.
Loved it. PVOs ratings should go up due to his “fierce mongoose turned roadkill ” routine.

jumpnmcar

2 Oct 12 at 9:02 pm
Fuck off Febie, go take a olive oil bath after that bike ride in Tuscany.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 9:03 pm
It was a strong performance for someone recently embalmed,

AGEIST !!!

jumpnmcar

2 Oct 12 at 9:04 pm
Yeah I always run alp talking points u fool…blocking on basis of stupidity! Learn to read to recognise how hard I have been on this govt

LOL, did Gillard’s bi-atch really tweet that?

Token

2 Oct 12 at 9:05 pm
Laws looked like a pimp,Leigh was a bit star struck I thought

Tal

2 Oct 12 at 9:07 pm
Gillard’s bi-atch wrote this with a nose a brown as Mark Riley’s in 2010:

HERE is my prediction and I am well aware I will be held to account for it. Julia Gillard won’t just win the next election, she will increase Labor’s majority.

Kevin Rudd was Labor’s biggest problem, not the policies his government has enacted, not the personnel in his parliamentary team. The published polls and the internal party polling all showed Rudd had become a drag on Labor’s vote.

It is a big call to depose a first-term prime minister, but it was the right thing for Gillard to do.

What a douche.

Token

2 Oct 12 at 9:08 pm
Toke

He wrote a really, really good piece supporting smaller government once that really turned me.

I hardly ever read him because I find him boring, but that column was really good.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 9:11 pm
Token, there was a list of PVOs wrong predictions on the Cat once.
It was a very long list.

jumpnmcar

2 Oct 12 at 9:16 pm
PVO is all over the place in the Weekend Oz.

Lat Saturday he was hammering Swan for his ’10 prediction of $12b deficit this year which he pushed up to $22b last year then $44b last week.

He mocked him pretty well.

I don’t like most of the guys opinions but I dunno if you can label him.

I reckon he is just a floater who expands on the first intelligent thing he overhears at the restaurants he frequents (was going to write ‘pub’ but I reckon he visits them as often as I deliberately eat halal).

DaveF

2 Oct 12 at 9:17 pm
It was a strong performance for someone recently embalmed,

From his history it is clear Steve doesn’t like women and men who are a year or so younger than him.

Token

2 Oct 12 at 9:26 pm
Great commercial: Just how serious is President Obama about doing his job?

Needs to be shorter.

Token

2 Oct 12 at 9:28 pm
He wrote a really, really good piece supporting smaller government once that really turned me.

I hardly ever read him because I find him boring, but that column was really good.

I wouldn’t hammer him so hard if he wrote about small government more often.

He spends most of this time giving a pass to the left as he loves open borders regardless of the cost.

Token

2 Oct 12 at 9:31 pm
ABC ‘talent’ lifts the tone – again:

“Hadn’t heard that John Laws had died. Fascinating interview with his cadaver” – @PhillipAdamsABC

Token

2 Oct 12 at 9:34 pm
Has this country gone bloody mad?

Yes it has, Pedro. He gets away with referring to women as uncovered meat that attracts cats and the lefties gets reward him for it.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 9:36 pm
What a coincidence that the Jones court case was decided today eh?

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 9:38 pm
Oh yea, like it was a huge co-incidence. Nothing to see here folks, move on please.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 9:41 pm
“Hadn’t heard that John Laws had died. Fascinating interview with his cadaver” –

-Phillip Adams

It was a strong performance for someone recently embalmed,

-SfB

There’s that famous leftist uniqueness again.

twostix

2 Oct 12 at 9:41 pm
why high incidence, James K, but I guess it’s a feature of poverty in any culture?

No.

It’s a feature where there are no antibiotics or no adults who care.

They just don’t bring their children for treatment of streptococcal throat infections Candy.

Free antibiotics are readily available.

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 9:47 pm
Laws was great, he signed off on top:

LEIGH SALES: John Laws, thank you very much for making time for speaking to us tonight.

JOHN LAWS: Did you enjoy it?

LEIGH SALES: I did enjoy it, did you?

JOHN LAWS: I loved every minute.

Token

2 Oct 12 at 9:56 pm
Was Lawsy drinking Bourbon and Coke?

Infidel Tiger

2 Oct 12 at 9:57 pm
“They just don’t bring their children for treatment of streptococcal throat infections Candy”

that must be frustrating for medical and nursing staff then, to know there are ill little ones there who could easily be made better with with a simple course of antibiotics

candy

2 Oct 12 at 10:00 pm
Ta for the link Token.

Gee Lawsy is looking as old as hell.

For a guy I don’t like at all he came across really well. There was definitely only one adult on that clip.

I also respect a guy happy to be filmed boozing in the mid afternoon.

DaveF

2 Oct 12 at 10:09 pm
Dawef says

“Gee Lawsy is looking as old as hell.”

Gee Jonesy is looking old as hell too.

Time for them both to go.

They are as old as hell.

So is their style.

Alice

2 Oct 12 at 10:15 pm
hahaha! Just heard Rudd demanded this morning that Abbott should kick Jones out of the Liberal Party. Jones hasn’t been a member for twenty years.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 10:16 pm
I mean is that Lawsey downing a bourbon and coke on the 6.30 am morning show? I mean has he been up all night??
Jones looks just as pickled and probably is. Only one other I can think of looks that pickled and its good old Derryn.

Alice

2 Oct 12 at 10:20 pm
Alice

Well at least Jonesy turns up to anti carbon tax protests. I rate that.

The ABC clowns turn up to the oxymoronic “Festival of Dangerous Ideas” (oxymoronic because none are).

DaveF

2 Oct 12 at 10:22 pm
“They just don’t bring their children for treatment of streptococcal throat infections Candy”

that must be frustrating for medical and nursing staff then, to know there are ill little ones there who could easily be made better with with a simple course of antibiotics

quite so.

entropy

2 Oct 12 at 10:27 pm
Dawef – All I am saying is “give some new blokes a chance”

These two are slipping up….have slipped up. I dont think there is an honest liberal in the room right now who isnt thinking “Jones needs to go”????

Alice

2 Oct 12 at 10:29 pm
He isn’t a Liberal and he isn’t liberal.

What the fuck are you on about, Alice, you demented cow?

.

2 Oct 12 at 10:32 pm
Shut up Alice. Stop giving womanhood a bad name with your inane comments. It’s the wrong thing to do.

JC

2 Oct 12 at 10:34 pm
I’ve been out.

Has the ABC or Fairfax apologised for endorsing Catherine Deveny’s call for Bindy Irwin to be raped?

I say ‘endorsed’ because they keep employing and booking her. I say ‘raped’ because the then 13 year-old Bindy could not be “laid” by anyone lawfully.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 10:35 pm
Why Helloooo JC… I missed you.

A man like you is a real challenge I acknowledge.

Now let me see…where would i start?

Alice

2 Oct 12 at 10:36 pm
Gee Jonesy is looking old as hell too.

Anyone seen Malcolm Turnbull lately?

Has he been taking octogenarian pills or what?

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 10:38 pm
Alice – (it’s DaveF btw, I dunno if you’re trying to make a point…)

On that I will agree. These talk show stations get too comfortable with the same line up of dudes that rate. But when they retire (or not in the case of Lawsy) they have to scramble around with 3 or 4 alternates till they find the right person.

And I think they could make a go of a woman or two, conservative women would rate well in my opinion.
I only know Sydney, perhaps there are some in other cities.

DaveF

2 Oct 12 at 10:39 pm
Technically, and because we’re all a bunch of pendants anyway, Bindi was still twelve at the time of the vile Deveny text, just shy of her thirteenth birthday by two months.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 10:42 pm
The Irish have Queen Mab in their iconography. If the Cat has its Queen (as per Stevie), then it has to be Queen Gab, Sovereign of Gravitars and Keeper of Shoe Lore. She reigns supreme and with an iron rod at times. All can quake before Gab’s ability to call up the internet at will to do exactly her bidding. I’m happy in the Corps de Ballet as some sort of cygnet.

Not a luvfest anywhere btw, Stevie. Just people sayin’ and being a bit nice to each other, just as you wish people to be nicer to you. Well, at least I’m not ignoring you, so you are in luck there.

Also, I really do support women, but as women, not as puppets of an ideology of leftist feminism. I think men count as well and should have a say, as JC did. Invective too, often gender-based, like my ‘little dickery’ and your ‘wanker’ never refers in my mind to the physical person, because each person has their own biological integrity, as a private matter. Invective it is a technique of repartee and debate. Dot has said something like this before: terms of invective are metaphoric. Mine refer to a person’s thought processes, which are subject to that person’s free will (i.e. they can change their views and thus the perception people have of them; the invective no longer applies). In a robust forum such as this, I add the proviso that anyone at risk of psychological hurt should maybe step back and take a break or kick-box back into a good mood.

Stevie, nothing stops you from becoming a hairy ape, metaphorically speaking, except yourself. If you are happy to be otherwise (a lefty metrosexual) that’s your choice and your choice to be here as a representative of the type. You are heaps better than Fibro, btw. I’m almost fond of you. And a real tryer. Quite trying too, at times.

————————————

Jarrah, thanks for your further comment on ‘ideology’. I think it is well considered and I agree with you. Gets a tad ‘post-modern’ in its relativism, but in context that is OK by me.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

2 Oct 12 at 10:46 pm
You know Davef

From an advertising oerspective I think you might be on to something there…
with the conservative woman aspect.

Im not sure you want the starchy looking ones (by that I mean e.g. Bishop and Bronwyn – I suspect both of them are and have been trying too hard to be one of the boys) but there are some nice ones in here with a softer side and I do think you could be on to something with that idea.

They could start with a softer hair style than the ones I mentioned (and less of the beehive look and shoulder pads and lean corporate style of dress)

who knows? Maybe someone will pick up on it?

Like JC – solid views but I think some hard edges could be rounded off in the liberal views for better overall appeal.

Could just work from an advertising perspective.

Alice

2 Oct 12 at 10:47 pm
I checked M T’s pic on Bing images and he looks ok.

Maybe you saw him without makeup.

Buts Lawsy looks OLD..

DaveF

2 Oct 12 at 10:50 pm
Oh dear Dots back in here calling me a demented cow.

Past my bedtime. Can someone make sure Dot or Spot or unequal or blockhead or whatever his name is kept amused in or by my absence?

Alice

2 Oct 12 at 10:51 pm
You are heaps better than Fibro, btw. I’m almost fond of you.

Beware the Stockholm Syndrome. He is a small minded, small dicked, angry nobody.

Lazlo

2 Oct 12 at 10:55 pm
SaveF

They both look old and are slipping up – Lawsey’s interview with borbon in hand – well looked like a bourbon dissemination even if it was Coke.

Not so sharp as he used to be. Much the same could be said about Jones bidding for chaff bags and making crass comments about recently deceased people…

Shame really but what does a shock jock do to shock when not as many are listening now? They are part of trad mnedia but the world is changing.

Alice

2 Oct 12 at 10:56 pm
sorry DaveF

Alice

2 Oct 12 at 10:56 pm
Per the woman on talkback thing I’ve considered for a while they could be great to build audience and a ripper demographic for ads.

Listen to 2GB a bit and the ads are pretty sketchy in my opinion, iffy financial products and fairly mid market restaurants and such.

Where are the holidays? Cruises, NT by bus etc. A huge opportunity wasted.

The voice is the thing, not the looks, listen to Angela Catterns on, generally the ABC as a relief, she has a perfect tone I reckon. Rubbish opinions, but the voice and laugh sound very genuine.

She rustles my jimmies.

DaveF

2 Oct 12 at 10:58 pm
Boosterism:

DRUDGE/Politico: Under oath, Democrat pollster admits polls are dishonestly spun and used as propaganda tools.

As they say in the classics, no shit Sherlock.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 10:59 pm
Dots back in here calling me a demented cow

I wouldn’t worry about it, Alice. Dot is just a little too passionate at times, sometimes this is a good thing, other times not so much. It’s all in how the passion gets channeled. Personally, I think he’s rather fond of you and enjoys the verbal fisticuffs but don’t you go getting all soft on him now.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 11:02 pm
Lawsy sure does wear a lot of bling. He’s like Snoop Dogg for the prune juice set.

Infidel Tiger

2 Oct 12 at 11:02 pm
Past my bedtime. Can someone make sure Dot or Spot or unequal or blockhead or whatever his name is kept amused in or by my absence?

Keep posting insane blather about how you wrote a letter to woolworths re: your boycott over cheap milk and no one gave a fuck and we’ll keep laughing at you.

Now do you want to apologise to the Liberal party and liberalism for your derogatory slander, you gibbering idiot?

.

2 Oct 12 at 11:03 pm
CL do you drop into the Ulsterman Report?

DaveF

2 Oct 12 at 11:03 pm
I think he’s rather fond of you and enjoys the verbal fisticuffs but don’t you go getting all soft on him now.

No.

.

2 Oct 12 at 11:04 pm
Well DaveF

I might be inclined to agree with you and I agree re the “products” – where are the holidays and fun stuff – even cooking etc

Is conservatively inlcined media forgetting its women?
It seems someone has put in a vote for Gab and thats what is needed – ordinary nice conservative women.
Good idea.

Alice

2 Oct 12 at 11:05 pm
Lawsy sure does wear a lot of bling. He’s like Snoop Dogg for the prune juice set.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 11:05 pm
Dots back in here calling me a demented cow

It’s not defamation when it’s the truth Alice.

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 11:06 pm
Not so sharp as he used to be. Much the same could be said about Jones bidding for chaff bags and making crass comments about recently deceased people…

If not age, what’s shock jock Tony Jones’s excuse?

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 11:06 pm
Sinclair, I implore you to make IT’s remark a Liberty Quote Special.

Gab

2 Oct 12 at 11:07 pm
Dot

What on earth are you talking about? I have never written to Woolworths about any boycott of cheap milk.

I do however object to the fuckers selling cheap milk and then filling it up with frigging byproduct D
but I wouldnt expect you to see the shallow, let alone deep side of full cream milk?

I am really concerned about you Dot but my concern will have to be postponed.

Now let me go to sleep!

Alice

2 Oct 12 at 11:11 pm
CL do you drop into the Ulsterman Report?

Que?

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 11:11 pm
When the Washington Post ‘Fact Checker’ calls their beloved Obumma a maximum Pinocchio liar:

Obama’s claim that the Bush tax cuts led to the economic crisis

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 11:11 pm
A plurality of Americans and more than seven in 10 Republicans believe pollsters are intentionally skewing results to benefit President Obama, according to a new poll released Tuesday.

Some 42 percent of voters surveyed by Daily Kos and SEIU said pollsters were manipulating their sample sizes to benefit the incumbent president, while 40 percent do not. An additional 18 percent said they were not sure. That’s evidence that Republican claims that Democrats and minority voters are being oversampled in national polls could be resonating — and potentially undermining the momentum of the president’s early lead.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/259655-poll-plurality-of-americans-believe-polls-biased-for-obama

twostix

2 Oct 12 at 11:17 pm
Ed Driscoll:

British historian Eric Hobsbawm died on Sunday at age 95. As Michael Moynihan wrote last year in the Wall Street Journal, “It’s not that he didn’t know what was going on in the dank basements of the Lubyanka and on the frozen steppes of Siberia. It’s that he didn’t much care……

And he’s far from alone among left-wing intellectuals in preferring the comfort of intellectual abstractions, long after they were proven to be false………

And here’s Mark Steyn in After America on President Obama’s similarly aloof take on 9/11:

He’s the first president to give off the pronounced whiff that he’s condescending to the job—that it’s really too small for him and he’s just killing time until something more commensurate with his stature comes along. When he lectures America on the Ground Zero mosque or immigration, he does not speak to his people as one of them. When he addresses the monde, he speaks as a citoyen du for whom the United States has no greater or lesser purchase on him than Papua or Peru. There is an absence of feeling for America—as in his offhand remark to Bob Woodward that the United States can “absorb” another 9/11. During the long Northern Irish “Troubles,” cynical British officials used to talk off-the-record about holding casualties down to “an acceptable level of violence,” but it’s eerie to hear the head of state take the same view—and about a far higher number of fatalities. Ask the 3,000 families who had a huge gaping hole blown in their lives whether another 9/11 is something you want to “absorb” rather than prevent.

JamesK

2 Oct 12 at 11:21 pm
“Gets a tad ‘post-modern’ in its relativism, but in context that is OK by me.”

Not sure what you mean. It’s not relativism to recognise ideology is ubiquitous. And I certainly didn’t want to suggest all ideologies are equally valid!

Jarrah

2 Oct 12 at 11:28 pm
Very interesting, twostix.

C.L.

2 Oct 12 at 11:32 pm
but I wouldnt expect you to see the shallow, let alone deep side of full cream milk?

Yep, milk is “deep”. Go to sleep Alice. Have two nembutal pills tonight. Have all the florid fantasies you wish about bathing in organic milk under a protectionist, socialist PM Turnbull.

.

2 Oct 12 at 11:35 pm
Thats curious. My post never appeared

DaveF

2 Oct 12 at 11:36 pm
Ah, second time non appearance it must be the link is blocked. OK

DaveF

2 Oct 12 at 11:40 pm
Dave, if you tell us what the link is, you can then Google the link and post the link for the Google returns page. We can then click it. That sometimes gets around the problem.

C.L.

3 Oct 12 at 12:02 am
California is apparently reduced to shaking down it’s citizens, from VDH:

This year I got a letter from the state explaining that based on my income they “estimated” that I must have used the Internet to buy x-amount of things and therefore did not pay state sales taxes. Thus, they suggested that I should pay them around, say, $600.

Another such letter came from the Ministry of Revenue yesterday. The state says I have a house in the mountains and therefore may some day require auxiliary state fire protection and therefore should send them, say, $150 — or else!

Extraordinary.

http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-quiet-californians/3/

twostix

3 Oct 12 at 12:11 am
Hilarious new CNN ‘poll’ shows Romney extending his lead amongst independents to 8 points. CNN over-sampling of Democrats nevertheless creates the headline conclusion that Obama in the lead by by 3.

C.L.

3 Oct 12 at 12:17 am
When journalists go beserk for an angle:

DES Porter’s grand passion for a biplane built before he was born cost him $1 million, the lives of his father and older brother, and quite possibly those of his wife, his boyhood mate and three other friends who were with him when the ruby 1934 De Havilland Dragon fell out of the sky.

Des Porter was an 11 year-old boy when his father’s plane crashed – killing the latter gentleman and his brother. Nothing to do with his passion. Nor does anyone know what happened, much less that the Dragon “fell out of the sky.”

C.L.

3 Oct 12 at 12:31 am
Dave, if you tell us what the link is, you can then Google the link and post the link for the Google returns page. We can then click it. That sometimes gets around the problem.

Okey doke

http://www.bing.com/search?q=ulsterman+report&go=&form=QBLH&filt=all&qs=n

top of the list

White House Insider is the only thing I read, he appears genuine.

DaveF

3 Oct 12 at 12:41 am
That Victor Davis Hanson article is a shocker.

It can happen here

DaveF

3 Oct 12 at 12:53 am
CL, is Rasmussen also dishonestly spun?

Daily Swing State Tracking Poll, 2 Oct. In the 11 swing states, the president earns 50% support to Mitt Romney’s 45%. Three percent (3%) prefer another candidate, and two percent (2%) are undecided.

That’s a big gain from -6 to -5 for Romney. I told you the recovery was just around the corner.

SteveC

3 Oct 12 at 1:00 am
truthtold, can you not type in lower case?

SteveC

3 Oct 12 at 1:03 am
“CL, is Rasmussen also dishonestly spun?”

Add Fox News to the liberal lamestream ‘poll’ hoaxers:

The latest Fox News poll finds the race for the White House holds steady, with 48 percent of likely voters backing the Obama-Biden ticket and 43 percent backing the Romney-Ryan ticket, if the election were held today. That’s unchanged from two weeks ago, after the Democratic convention.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/27/fox-news-poll-most-voters-want-change-even-as-obama-holds-edge/

Jarrah

3 Oct 12 at 1:12 am
Tuesday, October 02, 2012

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows President Obama attracting support from 48% of voters nationwide, while Mitt Romney earns the vote from 47%. One percent (1%) prefer some other candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided.

JamesK

3 Oct 12 at 5:46 am
Abbott needs to lift his game, according to Paul Kelly. I agree:

Abbott and his staff are being out-thought and outsmarted. The problem has been apparent for some time. They are too slow, lack decisiveness and are unsure in broken traffic. In an election campaign, the social media activists who exploited the Jones issue will be mobilising against Abbott on a daily basis, setting an anti-Coalition agenda, confident the ABC will take up and “mainstream” their anti-Abbott crusades. Unless Abbott re-thinks his operation he will be slaughtered …

Meanwhile, Labor’s anti-Jones, anti-Abbott campaign has become ludicrous. Leading the charge on Monday, Nicola Roxon said that Abbott “has to be held responsible” given his close ties with Jones. Roxon claimed Abbott had created the climate for such vilification by “very aggressive and very personal attacks” on Gillard. Albanese said Abbott had signalled there was “nothing too low, nothing out of bounds” in personal attacks. Wayne Swan said that Jones had to be removed from the airwaves.

Now to the real world: Jones is his own man and, whether you love him or hate him, a force of nature. Abbott is not responsible for Jones. He cannot be responsible for Jones. Such claims are untenable and reflect the extent of Labor’s desperation.

Tom

3 Oct 12 at 6:19 am
Twostix, shush about the Californians. You’re giving ideas to our “direct current” treasurer. Leave that dud, all stuck in the mud, in a swamp down in Joisey, er, Jersey.

Blogstrop

3 Oct 12 at 6:33 am
I move that this thread be now closed and a new one opened. All those in favour …

Blogstrop

3 Oct 12 at 6:35 am
Tom, it’s the rabid mob rule sycophant, stenographic ABC media that needs curbing rather than the Libs needing to be somehow more adept- which is increasingly difficult in these PC times, with a stacked deck in use.

Blogstrop

3 Oct 12 at 6:40 am
In the mad dog world of social media, which has been hijacked by the zombie left as a protest forum, businesses felt they had no option but to desert Alan Jones at least temporarily. But he’s the most popular broadcaster in Australia and is therefore the best radio advertising vehicle to move product, so they’ll be back:

THE mass walk-out of advertisers and sponsors from the Alan Jones breakfast show on 2GB could be costing as much as $80,000 per day, but the damage could be short-lived and ultimately financially insignificant, brand experts say.

Since Monday, 23 companies have publicly announced the suspension or termination of their relationships with the program and/or the station …

That appears to represent a major win for the 95,000-plus supporters of the change.org petition and associated campaigns on social media calling for a boycott of Jones over his claim that Julia Gillard’s father had “died of shame” over his daughter’s “lies”. But the victory may be brief at best, if not entirely illusory.

The reason Jones’ popularity won’t wane, as the left is desperately hoping, is that he is the de facto leader of a popular uprising against a very unpopular government. The past three days have been simply an attempt to silence a powerful government critic.

Tom

3 Oct 12 at 6:46 am
Tom, it’s the rabid mob rule sycophant, stenographic ABC media that needs curbing rather than the Libs needing to be somehow more adept

Strop, I agree. It is totally corrupt when a tax-financed “news” organisation has become a political faction in the country’s national political life. However, that can’t change until its charter in enforced by independent oversight from the outside, which will not happen before 2014 at the earliest.

Tom

3 Oct 12 at 7:01 am
For my sins, I just looked at ABC Online headlines. The top one is:

Aussie tycoon fined for Arctic party cruise

Apparently a businessman from Queensland got into trouble for a party held on his boat in Canadian waters.

What struck me was the headline “Aussie tycoon”. Huh? Has anyone heard of Paul McDonald? He may be a rich oaf, or just a guy who knows how to throw a party. But ‘tycoon’ used to mean someone who was so rich and famous that everyone knew who they were. In OurABC, it apparently means anyone with more money than the work-experience person writing the headline. And, of course, therefore it is newsworthy if such an undesirable person has a minor brush with the local Plod about an exuberant party on the other side of the world.

The ABC is rotten to the core with class envy. Not only is this not news, there is nothing of note about any of the dozen major issues around the globe on their ‘breaking news’ list as of a few minutes ago. Disgraceful.

johanna

3 Oct 12 at 7:09 am
UK DAILY TELEGRAPH:
Did the White House order a cover-up over the murder of Libya’s US Ambassador?

But the real smoking gun is whether the Obama administration was warned in advance that al-Qaeda was planning an attack. A number of Israeli newspapers have suggested that Washington was warned as early as September 4 – a week earlier – that the environment in Benghazi was becoming increasingly hostile and anti-American, while in London the Foreign Office took the decision to withdraw all its consular staff from Benghazi two months before the murders. This decision was based on an intelligence assessment made by MI6 that al-Qaeda was openly operating in the area following a failed assassination attempt on Sir Dominic Asquith, Britain’s ambassador to Libya, in June.

It is well known that British intelligence works closely with its counterpart in America, and if MI6 knew al-Qaeda was operating in the Benghazi region, then it is highly likely that the CIA did too.

Suddenly the Administration’s “it’s nothing to do with us, guv,” defence is starting to look rather thin, with potentially disastrous consequences for Mr Obama’s re-election prospects.

JamesK

3 Oct 12 at 7:38 am
Can you feel the leftist rehearsed talking points whitest man evah to run for president hate?

Stephanie Li, Author, Associate Professor of English at the Huffington-Puffington Post:

The White Elephant in Romney’s Room

Mitt Romney “truly is the whitest man to run for president because he doesn’t realize how his whiteness has influenced his life and how his class standing provided him with remarkable educational and financial opportunities…….

“This theme and the Romney’s repeated vow that they are the creators of their own success taps into long standing myths of the self-made American man, a man who is always implicitly white. But Romney’s narrative of rugged individualism is as false as the image of self-reliant colonists and frontiersman who made their fortunes in large part by relying on the slave trade and the exploitation of Native Americans. Romney’s blindness to his own racial privilege is a further function of his whiteness and its invisible entitlements.”

Lee Siegel, NYT: What’s Race Got to Do With It?

The simple, impolitely stated fact is that Mitt Romney is the whitest white man to run for president in recent memory.

Of course, I’m not talking about a strict count of melanin density. I’m referring to the countless subtle and not-so-subtle ways he telegraphs to a certain type of voter that he is the cultural alternative to America’s first black president. It is a whiteness grounded in a retro vision of the country, one of white picket fences and stay-at-home moms and fathers unashamed of working hard for corporate America.

JamesK

3 Oct 12 at 7:49 am
Vote for Obama: he’s half black.

Gab

3 Oct 12 at 7:57 am
Obumma Campaign to women: “vote like your lady parts depend on it.”

JamesK

3 Oct 12 at 7:57 am
David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog

Nothing says “pro-woman” like treating female voters as hysterical brain-damaged walking uteri

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog

Lady Parts news: Obama administration wants to give $450M to big fans of female genital mutilation

JamesK

3 Oct 12 at 8:01 am
Jake Tapper, ABC:

White House Has No Comment on House GOPers’ Assertions that Libyan Mission Requested Security Prior to 9/11/12 Attack

Earlier today, chairman of the committee Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., and Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, the chair of the subcommittee on national security, homeland defense, and foreign operations, wrote to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, asserting that “multiple U.S. federal government officials have confirmed to the Committee that, prior to the September 11 (2012) attack, the U.S. mission in Libya made repeated requests for increased security in Benghazi. The mission in Libya, however, was denied these requests by officials in Washington.”

The two congressmen also listed thirteen incidents leading up to the attack – ranging from I.E.D. and RPG attacks to a “posting on a pro-Gaddafi Facebook page” publicizing early morning runs taken by the late Ambassador Chris Stevens and his security detail around Tripoli.

“Was State Department headquarters in Washington aware of all the above incidents?” they asked Secretary Clinton, requesting written responses by October 8. “If not, why not?”

“If so, what measures did the State Department take to match the level of security provided to the U.S. Mission in Libya to the level of threat?” they asked. The two also asked for details of “any requests made by Embassy Tripoli to State Department headquarters for additional security, whether in general or in light of specific attacks” detailed in the letter.

JamesK

3 Oct 12 at 8:10 am
Grassley: Obama Administration’s Actions Towards Lockheed Like Second ‘Fast and Furious’

“Here’s a case where the President or his staff is advising the employers they don’t have to follow the labor laws,” Grassley adds. “And even in addition to that, they’re saying that if you’ve got any problems, we’ll pay for the legal deals. I think it’s abhorrent that the president would suggest that people would violate the labor laws, and worse yet to pay for costs that taxpayers shouldn’t have to bear.”

JamesK

3 Oct 12 at 8:14 am
There is a new OT that was just opened this morning. We have another day before the slow refresh times returne.

Token

3 Oct 12 at 8:30 am
I certainly didn’t want to suggest all ideologies are equally valid!

Good-oh Jarrah. I was just concerned that you might. Clarified, thanks.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

3 Oct 12 at 8:31 am

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