The Jo Nova site recently went down due to a hacking attack but has come back faster and stronger with a little help from Jo’s friends.
Some good news on the (not) warming front. This climate thing is getting to be a bit of a bore but we are stuck with it for some time thanks to the usual suspects, including the stenographers of the MSM.
The heat is missing from oceans; it’s missing from the upper troposphere. The clouds are not behaving as predicted. The models can’t predict the short term, the regional, or the long term. They don’t predict the past. How could they predict the future?
The models didn’t correctly predict changes in outgoing radiation, or the humidity and temperature trends of the upper troposphere. The single most important fact, dominating everything else, is that the ocean heat content has barely increased since 2003 (and quite possibly decreased) counter to the simulations. In a best case scenario, any increase reported is not enough. Models can’t predict local and regional patterns or seasonal effects, yet modelers add up all the erroneous micro-estimates and claim to produce an accurate macro global forecast. Most of the warming happened in a step change in 1977, yet CO2 has been rising annually.
Uh Huh.
The real is doing such and such.
The models predict the other way.
You and I, Poor Old Rafe, would junk the model. Not these blokes. They know reality is wrong.
They refuse to believe all those standing and laughing in their direction are not laughing with them.
Winston SMITH
2 Oct 12 at 4:09 pm
Did it go down with a little DDOS help from anonymous friends of GetUp and The Climate Institute?
She can at least take some pride in being thought so effective she had to be silenced.
blogstrop
2 Oct 12 at 4:10 pm
Or they think that belief creates reality.
Dangph
2 Oct 12 at 4:19 pm
So we’re not going to die from climate change… guess that just leaves shame…
ar
2 Oct 12 at 4:22 pm
I am still unable to get into Jo Nova’s site, i tried this morning and also again twice a coupla minites ago.
Jannie
2 Oct 12 at 4:22 pm
Now that the armageddon cult is over and we agree we’re not going to die in a ball of flame can we get to discuss how we are going to get enough energy for our projected populations in 2020, 2030 & 2050?
Token
2 Oct 12 at 4:43 pm
Fairfax went below 40c today. Their share price is falling faster than the global temperature.
Bruce of Newcastle
2 Oct 12 at 4:44 pm
Plenty of coal, gas and shale oil to cover that period, and plenty of time to come up with something better than wind or solar.
OTH, the population might have self-destroyed by 2050 the rate stupidity is taking over.
Biota
2 Oct 12 at 4:58 pm
That is what I think when I see _another_ thread about whether sea ice/land ice in the Artic/Antarctica in one tiny locality has increased/decreased.
Typical Lefty tactic. Argue about the immaterial so people are distracted from the fact they crony capitalists and pointy heads are looting the public of tens of billions each year.
Token
2 Oct 12 at 5:02 pm
Look at the references; so much for consensus; some other versions of Jo’s summation here and a short-hand version here.
cohenite
2 Oct 12 at 5:29 pm
Just a question, how long have glaciers been shrinking?
There were breathless reports on newsradio last week about some of the last proper galacier type ice rotting away in the EU and possible dangers..
But when havent they been in retreat, barring short colder seasons?
thefrollickingmole
2 Oct 12 at 6:02 pm
Jo Nova’s blog is the most effective venue for the expression of dissent against the High Church of Climate Orthodoxy in Australia.
Not just because she’s a well-informed and articulate spokesperson for the rational skeptical position, but also because she has constructed an unique blog format that empowers commentary well beyond any other venue available in the blogosphere.
It is her commitment to freedom of expression for all voices that drove her to create a user-friendly virtual soapbox environment for her vast readership to shout loud and clearly from.
Power to the People is the secret to Nova’s enduring revolution against the corrupt status quo.
Empowering the voices of individuals to speak is to respect individuals as intelligent human beings capable of understanding the science and forming their own opinions independent of an elitist high priesthood handing down dogma to the peasants be memorised and chanted with reverence during Earth Hour.
It also explains why the collectivist cockroaches of climate groupthink, which scuttle away from any source of light, are so eager to shut down the cacophony of cogent voices that sing away on Nova’s blog.
The climate debate is truly over.
No less than Robert Manne pronounced the “Denialists” as the total victors this August.
With the rational debate and the democratic process now lost to the climate millenarians, the only path left for them is to wage holy war against the infidels who blasphemy their prophets and gospel.
wes george
2 Oct 12 at 6:48 pm
Good on you wes.
cohenite
2 Oct 12 at 6:58 pm
Token wrote:
Yes. 3.29 million square km of missing summer sea ice is just “one tiny locality” in the Arctic.
What a stupid thing to say.
steve from brisbane
2 Oct 12 at 7:02 pm
Steve – if you sail south you’ll find it around Antarctica, which reached the largest sea ice extent ever. A historical record.
On average sea ice is a bit below average, which is quite consistent with the peak of the PDO/AMO 60 year cycle and the highest solar activity last decade in 230 years.
Sorry Steve the data does not favour you. And I do hope you can process data better than certain climate scientists.
Bruce
2 Oct 12 at 7:35 pm
Sorry I meant overall sea ice is a bit below average.
Bruce
2 Oct 12 at 7:40 pm
Shut up steve; things don’t go missing in nature; they just go on holidays and then come back refreshed.
cohenite
2 Oct 12 at 7:43 pm
It’s a backhanded compliment to Jo, I suppose, that the censorship brigade of climate alarmists have repeatedly taken her site down with DOS attacks.
I note that people of the same mindset have made major attacks on Swedish companies’ and government agencies’ websites since Julian Assange’s most recent whinings.
Sabotaging messages they don’t like seems to be considered a mark of honour in the ‘enlightened’ part of the political spectrum these days. To them, free speech is just the enemy of correct thought.
johanna
2 Oct 12 at 7:57 pm
Wow, SoB is craving to make this thread _that_ thread.
Instead can we do a review of resource economics and discuss the gap between the energy we need to produce in 2029-30 and what the current moronic policies will allow us to produce.
The manufactured scarcity will create social problems in the next few years and only a moron like SoB would enjoy that prospect.
Token
2 Oct 12 at 8:08 pm
The extent of Arctic summer sea ice is not essential to any species’ survival or anything else; it’s a fetish of alarmists who have nothing else to cling to.
There is nothing happening in the Arctic that hasn’t happened before, even in the instrumental record and many times in the past 10,000 years.
manalive
2 Oct 12 at 8:31 pm
It’s classical state-backed fascism, Johanna. We have a federal government that’s on the verge of introducing fascist regulations suppressing dissent in the media, supported by much of the media and almost all of academia. I would be surprised if the attempt to shut down Jo Nova’s site was not done by government employees or those on the public payroll, using equipment and facilities that we also paid for. Australia is being run by one of the most freedom-hating rat packs in our history, supported by ferals with a similar disposition.
Tom
2 Oct 12 at 8:40 pm
“No less than Robert Manne pronounced the “Denialists” as the total victors this August.”
We won the climate battle. They won the institutions. All of them.
Now, how do we take those back?
Twodogs
2 Oct 12 at 8:53 pm
The power bills are going up and in a year when the car-bin rate goes up the compensation will not cover the payout for anyone.
The market is going to bring them down like it has to all other autocratic regimes.
Token
2 Oct 12 at 9:11 pm
Johanna,
Don’t let the Orwellian doublespeak fool you. We are the heirs of The Enlightenment.
We who value rational inquiry based upon empirical evidence as freely reviewed transparently over and over again by any third party who wishes to be so concerned.
We who insist to think for ourselves, even as Australian Propaganda Corporation uses our taxpayer monies to attempt to deceive us.
We, who as skeptics, hope to maintain an open mind to new evidence, ever willing to evolve our opinions, ever willing (aye, even eager) to reverse our opinions as evidence dictates.
We who are not true believers in any thing other than hard facts that we can verify for ourselves.
The poles have reversed. Up is now down.
Today the same people who once called for inclusion and multiculturalism are now as hell bent on suppressing dissent as if they were the KGB or the Nixon White House.
Tolerance of intolerance has begat intolerance of tolerance.
A female ABC reporter recently queried a guest whether female circumcision should be part of the Medicare system. Germaine Greer would be turning over in her grave, but she’s hardly buried yet and is, gobsmackingly, a supporter of female circumcision!
A BBC discussion about the values of The Enlightenment a few years ago coined the term “Endarkenment” not as some invidious slur but as a “rational” respond to the unfettered individualism set loose by our modern networked age. Too many people, too well informed, thinking for themselves is the greatest threat to centralised collectivism.
The Left believe hoi polloi are cows and need to be herded by an elite party cadre of intellectuals unaccountable to the democratic process. Plato’s philosopher kings.
If only we would STFU and herd. Herd, you dumb beasts!
Today, almost every 24-hour news cycle contains new examples of Left-of-center assaults on our fundamental liberty to free expression. The most recent being Steven Conroy’s “red underpants” gaffe and Julia Gillard’s un-Australian assumption that we do not have the God-given right to offend the dogmas others hold to be sacred truths.
This is a truly unprecedented climate change in our body politics, a climate change that might well herald the catastrophic destruction of our way of life.
Somewhere, Bob Brown is smirking.
wes george
2 Oct 12 at 9:15 pm
Huh! And here’s me thinking he is.
JC
2 Oct 12 at 9:24 pm
Yes it’s boring but unfortunately we have whole government departments and quangos poring out rules and regs to forestall climate change and large amounts of government grants depend on states and councils following the pc line.
Eg councils having to draw up plans to cope with non existent sea level rises.
We think that sanity now prevails but the believers ignore us and continue to act as if it is full steam ahead.
Wayneofperth
3 Oct 12 at 1:04 am
Bruce, what about Antartctic land ice?
SteveC
3 Oct 12 at 1:16 am
“I note that people of the same mindset have made major attacks on Swedish companies’ and government agencies’ websites since Julian Assange’s most recent whinings.”
Ironically, Wikileaks has been repeatedly subjected to DDoS attacks.
Jarrah
3 Oct 12 at 1:25 am
That is my thought just have to wait for it to run it’s course even though it may be many years.
kelly liddle
3 Oct 12 at 3:46 am
Oh, no! Wikileaks? The bastards, they’ll kill Kenny ..er, Julian.
Blogstrop
3 Oct 12 at 6:21 am
The attacks on Jo Nova are a return of mob rule, just as the inflated and synergistic one (government and ABC) on Alan Jones is, whatever your opinion of him is.
Blogstrop
3 Oct 12 at 6:24 am
When people look at their power bills, or look out of the window and see industrial developments (wind farms and solar arrays) paid for by their power bills, they might be less bored than you are.
When people have to pay absurd tip fees, have their lightbulb of choice banned (thanks Malcolm Turnbull) and be required to sort their rubbish like medieval peasants into an ever increasing number of bins, with concomitant higher rates, backed up with fines for not complying, they might be less bored than you are.
When people discover that our most competitive industries are being slugged so as to disadvantage them against their international competitors, they might be less bored than you are.
Rafe, sorry that you and some high minded commenters find this stuff trivial and boring. You are putting yourselves right up there with the inner-city Greens with your disdainful and fashion-driven approach.
johanna
3 Oct 12 at 6:35 am
Thanks for the stir johanna, “boring” was loose talk, a bit like “died of shame”, I mean it is irritating (a better word) to have to keep up a debate that should never have happened. But is a debate that has to be won and the roots have to be explained to reduce the risk that it will keep happening. That is why one of my missions is to do summaries of stuff that most people will never see or have the time to read. Such as this piece on the way it got started with the anti-nuclear campaign of the 70s and 80s. Check out the links at the end as well.
Rafe
3 Oct 12 at 7:51 am
I can’t access her site – it seems our li’l fascist friends are still beavering away…
Rabz
3 Oct 12 at 9:07 am
Not being a techno wiz like spot, is there a way of finding out the origins of these DDOS attacks?
Winston SMITH
3 Oct 12 at 9:44 am
SteveC – I haven’t been following land ice in Antarctica closely because the whole continent is usually well below freezing. There’s not much going on temperature trend-wise.
There’s a new paper out on GRACE mass balancing the ice gain/loss which finds net gain of 49 Gt/a between 2003-2008. The paper is a NASA paper and the lead author is Jay Zwally, who is not a climate sceptic.
Apologies if this post comes up twice. With the site problems something about the settings for moderation or spam appears to’ve changed. I’m trying this with one fewer link.
Bruce of Newcastle
3 Oct 12 at 10:41 am
The anti-nuclear mob were so rabidly left that even Peter Garrett left in disgust.
Twodogs
3 Oct 12 at 11:14 am