Peter van Onselen must have an Alan Jones voodoo doll. He is clearly obsessed and jealous of Jones.
While obsessing about Jones, he neglects the hypocrisy of Bob Carr, who said of Jones
The vehemence and the virulence of the message that comes out of the radio station is a very unhelpful thing for Australia.
Yet Carr continues to employ Bob Ellis whose comments about Gillard make Jones’ seem mild. Why hasn’t Ellis been forced to apologise? Why hasn’t Carr condemned Ellis’ comments about Gillard?
LOL
I loved that clip
Michael Kroger completely pwned the reliably pseudo-intellectual elitist PvO
Maybe not jealousy, but there’s deep resentment. Van Onselen used to appear on Jones’ show until he started to disagree with Jones’ talking points. The relationship has never recovered. Diddums.
Peter Van O’s writings are nastily leftist.
The thing is to be a good little leftie you have to do hypocrisy in an open faced sustained way. Van O tried, but he was lame and ended up almost pleading with Kroger to agree with him,so he’d get one win at least out of it.
This was after his opening appeal to all our sensibilities should we have lost a father,and our base instincts should we not like Alan Jones, but trying to paint Alan Jones as the cause of the grief to Mrs Gillard, all the while he was himself continuingto drag out the sorry sage that began when a rat illegally taped Jones at a private function!
Makes you wonder where to now for Van O, as I was awaiting his tears at both the beginning and the end of that,and as Bolta implies, only one of the duo was acting as an adult
Personally I’m looking forward to when the TV cross with Kroger when Wayne Swan concedes in Lilley at the next election.
Here’s a reminder of what happened last time (from 4.20 if you’ve heard enough from The Goose lately).
Ms Gillard could still easily put an end to all this nonsense. Is she going to mourn for a year?
I believe McTernan is encouraging it but, to the hilt.
Alan Jones is a journalist. he holds no office. Nobody has to listen to him. Everyone who listens to his radio show does so voluntarily.
The outrage over a journalist making a snarky, nasty comment about the Prime Minister- the most powerful person in the land – is not only overblown, it’s dangerous.
May journalists continue to engage in snark, for many, many years to come. And the witchhunt that other journalists are engaging in against one of their own is shocking and obscene.
The important thing to do when issues like this hit the front page is to remember and remind people of who said nothing, who jumped in and which way they jumped.
This is an organized campaign to get Jones and to get Abbott. It is useful as a way of identifying the fence sitters, the ALP lackeys and the true friends of democracy.
That’s the first time I’ve seen Van Zero. He just leeerves the sound of his own voice – classic ask-a-question-which-takes-forever to ask and then rudely interrupt after his guest utters just two phrases of response, to repeat his own opinion.
That wasn’t journalism, it was an ignorant commentator singing his own praises then bringing someone in to punch in the head, to demonstrate the authenticity and importance of his own opinion, and his fearless courage in expressing it.
He didn’t need Michael Kroger’s presence at all.
Jim Treacher with an epic evisceration of Obumma, Clinton and the State Department over Obumma’s Libyan Ambassador’s assassination cover-up:
Today in the State Department’s ongoing Benghazi cover-up
Now their cover story, concocted to cover up their own ineptitude, has completely collapsed. Now they’re telling you not only that the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens was a terrorist attack, but that they’ve said so all along.
Orwell was an amateur………..
Update: Courtesy of Ace of Spades, here’s Hillary Clinton blaming Chris Stevens’ murder on a YouTube video. Knowing full well it was a lie. While standing in front of his casket.
Please RTWT
Wong fwed
Harden the fuck up.
Eons ago when I spent extended periods in Sydney I heard Alan Jones himself say to the effect “Man’s ingenuity invented radio. His other valuable invention was the “off” switch.”
The bloke has a towering intellect, an extraordinary ability to retain data and use it well in his verbal delivery and an exceptional work ethic. He has achieved mightily in his career (eg. I regard him as one of the most important innovators in rugby union we will ever see).
They attack him from the high ground, from far, far away. They do this for fear of joining the battle in close, where they will inevitably fail. He is more articulate, a way superior debater and therefore must be destroyed.
Incidentally, I say much the same of the likes of Paul Keating. These clever fellows get too far ahead of the pack and it must drag them down to protect its own mediocrity.
The offensive comments by Jones didn’t involve paricipation by Julia Gillard. She has absolutely no duty to “put an end” to it. Let Jones stew. I’m with Van Onselen in this matter. One of the very, very few responsible, intelligent commenters on The Australian or indeed the whole Murdoch stable.
The Hamster has spoken.
I’m very pleased.
I agree with hammyeggs. Let them keep on and on and on about for as long as they like. In fact, I want Gillard to again say she won’t go on Jones’ show. I want the Labor MPs to continue to bash Abbott over this too.
It’s a winning strategy for sure.
How did we get the attention of the old racist Hammy again?
You are kidding hammy. Van Onselen is a second rate intellect and a second rate commentator.
A little discussion I had with Peter a few days back on Monday:
So it was all his editors fault his piece was all about slamming Jones. Do you believe it?
Yesterday
To be fair (fairer than PvO was to AJ) I’m trying to dig up the rest of the show to check.
Will keep you informed.
Wow. I watched it, and it was gobsmackingly amazing. I’m not sure if I mean that in a good way or a bad way, actually.
Now PvO mentioned that he lost his dad when he was young. Does anyone know how young? How people deal with the death of a parent can depend on their age at the time.
I honestly don’t think he’s gotten past it, and he’s taking Jones’ words personally.
Not a healthy way to go about things, and it just makes him look immature.
As a rule I loathe the idea of going to see a psychologist, but maybe he should have a think about that. Otherwise, just put a sock in it and move onto the next bleat.
Van Onselen has a broadly liberal outlook, judging by the times when he argues issues on rational grounds.
The problem is he’s strongly motivated by dislike of certain individuals, particularly Tony Abbott, and support for Malcolm Turnbull. Thus because Jones is a bit of a cheerleader for Abbott, Van Onselen concludes Jones is all wrong.
It’s weird and does him no credit at all. It’s also a waste of his obvious talents.
About half way through this interview (that’s about how far I got), there was a comment by Van Onselen to Kroger that he was one of the few supporters that Jones had left!?
I don’t particularly like Jones, I don’t agree with him & I don’t listen to him but the ratings don’t lie, he is popular, to imply he isn’t is insular & delusional. It kind of reminds me of the 99% line from the occupy movement.
And if you don’t listen to someone then WTF do you care whether they are on air or not unless your some obsessive & arrogant control freak.
I am sure that Van Onselen is aware of Jones ratings but maybe these are the type of supporters that just don’t count.
Wash the oil off Febbie.
PvO isn’t right wing.
Gab
She was on the news tonight saying exactly that.
I’ve said it before, Ms Gillard can put an end to the nonsense by saying, “this upsets my mum it’s hard enough for her, let’s all stop please, for my mum’s sake”.
done. that’s how most people think at times like this, put aside petty differences for the sake of the most bereaved – the widow.
Using feebles logic that must mean gillard can’t be PM either ?
Nor Malcolm “Mr 14% approval” Turnbull.
It’s easy to see how leftists liquidate the elderly with such ease whenever they take total power.
Nice fello feebles, so you’ll be advocating a bit of cleansing of the elderly dimwits from the community. Maybe poison their coffee, or just starve them to death?
Paul Sheehan discusses the way the issue has been used for political purposes:
…and also who is driving the boycott campaign (yet he has not been called about by PvO or the ALP…
FFS, what a pompous fucking narcissist. I lasted all of about one and half minutes (lost forevah!) and didn’t even get to see Kroges.
This whiny li’l beeyatch is on Sky, why again, exactly?
If I owned Sky and the Ozdraylian he’d be out of a jerb. How’s about it, Rupe?
Hey febro sounds like you are describing jooLIAR giLiARds LiEbor supporters! Perfect description .
This is the clip of the show that ( the Amazingly Resourcefully Talented ) Gab put up.
He makes a promise to Kroger about next Tuesdays show.
Will he honour it or do a Juliar Gilliar?
Go to 9:38 to 9:56 ( if anyone has the editing skills to make this a stand alone clip then throw it at PVO on twit or myface or whatever)
Great – another ‘earthian’ gone wild.
PvO’s long, long, long self absorbed monologue at the beginning was not only eye wateringly boring but made for pretty uncomfortable viewing. Here’s a hint Peter: lots of people’s loved ones have died, lots of people have had tragedy in their lives, you’re not special and it doesn’t give you special attack powers on this matter.
By the end it almost seemed as though he was using his victim story as a political weapon “yeah but my dad died” – Kroger tried to settle him down “My dad died to” or some such “hardly the same thing” was was basically the interjection sort of a “nobody understands my pain I have a special insight don’t dare question me about it!”.
I don’t even get the point he was trying to make, Alan Jones said those things in a private conversation, but going by PvO’s hysterics you’d think Alan Jones walked up to Gillard and screamed it in her face.
What a clown.
Hey its good to know Im not the only one who thinks Pov is a jerk.
Almost felt sorry for him, if he was my son I would try to explain that hed been softly dissed by a pro.
Like my son, he wont learn.
Well we can’t all be welfare dependent half finished trannies who while away their days masturbating to Target catalogues like your good self freako.
Now be a good little patient and ask the warden if you can take a bath with a toaster.
DD – I actually think you’re the only person in Australia who calls Alan Jones a “journalist”. You’ve been running this line for days, and I have no idea why.
Broadcasters who do not do reports, but fill the day with opinion and interviews are surely not “journalists”.
Jones doesn’t need “supporters.”
He’s a journalist. Not a politician.
This whole campaign is brilliant. They are treating a journalist as if he is a Liberal Party politician and treating the whole thing as a political scandal. It’s Orwelllian in its mendacity but fucking brilliant. Who is the Labor strategist who dreams this shit up? I mean, wow. They have have created a political scandal out of thin air.
Token, you raise the issue of the boycott against Jones and 2GB.
I am trying to complain to Ing and Commonwealth Bank about this – the counterreformation at work.
Other customers are out there. This is economics, how does it work?
Broadly speaking, he’s a commentator and opinionator, and he interviews politicians. ergo, he’s a journalist. Now, sure, you might think he’s populist and low-brow and not a ‘good’ journo, but objectively, that’s what he is.
He is certainly not a politician. You ask why I keep saying it. I keep saying it because the entire country is acting as if he holds public office, and as if this is a political scandal.
The one to target is Gerry Harvey. Of all the boycotters, he’s the only one that can’t hide behind a faceless institution.
Does that mean that the recently embalmed, but still speaking, John Laws was a “journalist” in his hey-day?
Also PvO was trying to make hay out of how deep and upsetting it all is for Gillards mother.
Gillards mother wouldn’t have ever heard about it let alone be continually upset about it if the likes of PvO and the ALP would stop talking all week in an attempt to score a political win against their own political enemy.
Menfuckingdacious.
Sent a few notes to the cowards myself.
The one I sent to Gerry noted my disappointment as some consumers like me were more likely to buy from HN after Harvey made the comment on the GST & got slammed by Swan.
Steve from Brisbane
Do you think PVO will honour the word he gave that I pointed out @9:10 pm ??
Nobody but the usual suspects care about it DD it’s as dead as a door nail, this time next week it will be totally forgotten then the week after his show will be quietly re-sponsored.
As if Hervey Norman are never going to advertise on his time slot again. What a joke.
And Parramatta Lexus? Seriously were are they going to advertise? The Green Left Weekly?
Of course he was. “Journalist” is a job description. You’re treating it like some sort of title or award, or restricted-membership club.
oh and by the way, nice work on the ageist slam against laws… “recently embalmed” my eye.
hammygar
Is that your real photo , or your alto-ego AKA Lenin!
Jump, SFb will get back to you shortly once he finds an opinion online.
It’s like bottled irony.
I don’t really have it in for John Laws; he’s always steered pretty much middle of the road when it comes to politics. But he’s been aging not so well physically for a couple of decades now, and his appearance the other night was so ghastly, when he has plenty of wealth, it makes his refusal to retire (again) “Montgomery Burns” funny.
I also think he has a skin like a rhinoceros and couldn’t care less what people say about him. I therefore don’t think I am causing any offence.
DD
I could complain to Jerry Harvey and threaten not to buy any more stuff from them, God knows my mob has bought heaps. But he sells to survive, he is not my enemy. I would rather target the faceless.
Ing and Commonwealth are both my providers. I have threatened both of them to take my business elsewhere unless I get a satistacory response from them. Its not sheepstations, but its more than significant money involved.
I havent told my wife yet, but we have a finance broker who could realistically rewrite it all at a better overall rate than currently. Might take a year or two, but its a threat. And I have time to carry it out.
Everybody who can should respond to providers who support the Left, else you get more of it.
I will keep you informed. Jannie v Ing, Jannie v Netbank.
Freddy, there’s a theory held by some that Hammygar is actually a rightie doing a parody of a leftwinger. I’m on the fence on that issue.
Wow. The only thing that beats Chris Matthews’ nutjob performance is Peter van Onselen’s uttlerly bizarre, overwrought hysteria with Michael Kroger.
This is the behaviour that drove nineteenth century women to vibrators.
Honestly, is he OK?
Heh, I didn’t realise that Alan Jones launched PvO’s book
Jump: I don’t know. What else can I say?
I don’t pay attention to PvO much at all. He writes for the Australia, which would be my preferred choice of Australian papers for my birdcage. (If I had one.)
But this was pretty entertaining.
Incidentally, where is Bob Carr?
He went MIA soon after his speech-writer was exposed as a Mr Gillard mocker.
I’m personally not interested in a counter-boycott against Harvey Norman as I think he was simply caving in to pressure, and it would again be an instance of ganging up on an individual. But people and organisations shouldn’t indulge in this kind of politicking with their commercial decisions.
hammyracist (who has not denied being Rex’s catamite: yea and verily he has confirmed it with the lenin gravatar)
Well aber natürlich, hammyracist. Of course you agree with van Onselen – he’s white. And how funny that you have yet another white guy as your gravatar. Only this time, a mass murdering totalitarian.
So cute.
Winning point to a proud aryan white supremacist like yourself. Hey, you attending the ‘Hammered’ white supremacist and neo-nazi concert in Queensland in January? Apparently they are looking to beat up some homosexuals, Aborigines and Jews. Should be right up your ally!
Shall I tell QPS you are on your way?
Hasa anyone actually seen the video of Jones’ apology? Or a recoding of it? (Unedited)
This hammygar question of whether he is performance art just indicates that, as performance art, it’s a waste of time.
As with the Decomposter (?) stuff, some of the posts at least at the beginning, didn’t really sound like satire, and were within the range of what a “normal” earnest left winger might say. This made the later more obviously over the top stuff a bit of a puzzle. I mean, why put all the effort in earlier posts of not identifying as satire only to do a slow reveal later?
Hammygar has the same problem – sounds OTT and satirical sometimes; within “normal” lefty range at others.
I don’t see the point.
So Jones said Gillard’s father died of shame and because PvO’s father died he finds this comment particualrly offensive.
Why is it offensive at all?
Parents should not be responsible for the failings of their off-spring when the offspring reach maturity, but as a broad concept, some exceptions to that rule should exist.
Gillard has presided over the largest compilation of national debt in Australia’s history; nothing worthwhile has been produced by that accumulation of debt.
Gillard has killed people through her policies, pink batts, boat people; she has vitiated the very concept of Australia as a nation since a nation requires borders which are controlled; Australia’s borders are porous to a state of non-existence.
Gillard has union affiliations which are demonstrably corrupt, sleasy and immoral; personally, her background of relationships, whatever you think about marriage or the notion of realtionship integrity, set a deplorable example and one whichs negates any claim that she may make about supporting the ‘sisterhood’.
Also personally, Gillard has a case to answer for her actions at Slater and Gordon, where she admitted to forging the purpose of an application for association, an act which legally, as far as I can see, has no distinction with the offence which Einfeld was convicted of.
More recently, as has been revealed, a case can be made that she has authorised the expenditure, directly and through targeted foreign aid, of an amount of somewhere between $3.5 and 4 billion to buy a seat on the security council, which, also arguably, has no other purpose other than providing an avenue for getting rid of her equally destructive predecessor.
The list goes on. and given this why is an offence for Jones to have said her father died of shame?
Was it Alex Downer who revealed how dangerous this will be – on the council Australia will be drawn into and forced to vote on issues between China & the US.
Candy, The Lying Slapper will make that statement when there is no more traction to be wrung from it. That way she’ll get another few days.
Cohenite
Dunno, yes yes yes yes yes yes and dunno.
All good points, but what next?
When you live in the rarified air of the chattering classes as PvO clearly does its easy to lose perspective and lose grip on the real world of mainstream Australia …..if he keeps this up PvO will drift into the exclusive and irrelevant world of journalism such as”Meet The Press” and The Drum” …..
He needs to understand that taking personal issues with Jones (and he described some of them) onto a TV show showed a disrespect for our intelligence and time …….
Well said, Cohenite.
By her actions, dullard stands condemned – she is entirely undeserving of both sympathy and respect.
There are few people in my lifetime I can remember despising with such a passion.
When he’s running with the baying pack (even if he does feel like it’s a ‘lynch mob’) then he is supporting those who would shut you down for saying the wrong thing, Jannie.
There are plenty of other stores out there that sell the same things.
Well said, Cohenite.
I might disagree with the Bob Ellis spin on most things and laugh at his silly hyperbole but can never deny him the right to say what he does.
In particular, this stupid idea that his comments on Gillard are in any way fit to be used in the debate over the Alan Jones comments is absurd. They have nothing to do with the Jones comments.
Ellis had/has every right to comment as he did in bringing to the Gillard narrative a valid argument: that the death of an elderly relative caused her to vacate her position as PM for weeks, parliamentary duties delegated and so on. Comparing hers to the tragedies of others and how they handled is also valid, especially as her parliamentary duties were more important to the nation than the examples he gave.
He could have gone further and wondered, like I do, whether the death of the 83 year old father of the Prime Minister is a case where some state of National Mourning has to be declared as if we are in a place where the cult of the ‘leader’ is mandatory.
Could this have been a totally prepared attack? Waiting for any Liberal slip up? Meant for Abbott? but ready for any conservative?
Jones makes one simple (though ill advised) comment at a purportedly partisan function and up goes the balloon.
100,000+ complaints to advertisers almost immediately? Lists of advertisers’ emails at the ready? Faked outrage by the entire Labor machine?, ABC? Fairfax?
Quiet, almost saintly reservedness by Gillard? Gillard able to take the high moral ground.
Was this really spontaneous or carefully planned?
Is this how it was supposed to go on Australia day?
If Jones is a boor, what exactly is the commenter Febro?
He/she has posted that life is wasted on the elderly.
I find that a more insulting comment than Jones’ remark and Jones didn’t make his publicly to seek attention to himself.
But welcome, the latest selfish, hypocritical leftie!
Gerry Harvey is part of the lynch mob no matter what he says. It’s un-Australian to go after a private individual for one dumb comment like these companies are doing. What are they thinking.
BECAUSE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT HE DID, AND IT IS OFFENSIVE TO HIS FAMILY TO BE HEARING A PROMINENT POLITICAL HACK SPECULATING ABOUT THE THOUGHTS OF THEIR RECENTLY DECEASED LOVED ONE.
YOU’RE AN APPALLING EXCUSE FOR A MAN, COHENITE.
Oh dear. Cohenite you’ve made SFB blow his poofle valve.
Kroger for P.M.
Or did Graeme edit the SFB’s comment?
Hehe, where is TwoStix, we need to have this Socialist SoB melt-down translated on the Hot/Warm/Cold scale.
I think we’ve seen Boiling Hot for the first time.
Strange how the fabrications of Ramjan didn’t evoke emotion like this.
SoB, it sounds like you personally involved in this matter somehow. What is your relationship to Gillard?
I disagree, Token. He was off the Richter scale defending the school boy bully who attacked Casey. You see, in the SFBs’ opinion, Casey had no right to fight back. Well! SFB lashed out at those congratulating Casey here, sooked off to his lonely little blog and ranted away for days. His self-exile from the Cat was much appreciated though.
Neither is there a skerrick of evidence that Gillard herself has any shame for her actions either.
Family trait perhaps.
Steve’s comment, however, does raise the wider issue, which Jone’s comment about Gillard’s father touches on, of how far and to what degree should the personal lives of politicians be available for discussion by the public; and that whether that life should include their upbringing, the values and attitudes of their parents and other members of their extended family.
After all, Rudd played for all its worth his log cabin to lodge background; and every member of Newman’s family was fair game from the abomination which was the Bligh government; and Howard’s brother was hauled out for years to reflect badly on Howard.
In the US several religious candidates over the years have been caught with their pants down in contradiction of their espoused values.
And this is the point; the public wants to be able to see the true nature of their representitives; what factors contributed to the formation of their believe and behaviour; Rhiannon would be a classic example of this.
So would Gillard but in a different way to Rhiannon; unlike Rhiannon Gillard had a more conventional upbringing without her parents being confirmed communists and opposed to the social and economic structure of Australia.
Given that, what made her, Gillard, turn to socialism, feminism and be a serial partner to married men and commit, on the face of it, a criminal act while working as a senior partner in a large law firm?
Perhaps Gillard’s parents could have thrown some light on this Volte-face; unfortunately Gillard’s father has passed away and we can never ask him.
But, good man that he is, Jones has assumed that Gillard’s father was a normal decent man, and on that basis assumed he would, like any normal citizen, be assumed to be ashamed of his daughter’s dreadful political and personal history.
The context of dying of shame, however, is poetic licence, and an exaggeration; it would have been sufficient that Jones say Gillard’s father must have been ashamed of his daughter, not die of shame.
No I’m not; fuck you steve.
Great.
shitfer has a spectacular shouty meltdown defending his beloved moral vacuum, AKA the most incompetent prime minister in this country’s history.
Exactly why do you infest this blog again, you fucking loser?
Listening to Alna Jones’ show this morning (first time listener, Mr Jones) I was annoyed by all the ads interrupting his program.
Well said again, Cohenite.
Cohenite,
Well said, i tried to make the same points on twitter, though in 140 characters it is difficult!
Good point, Cohen please keep the dialog alive as we may all be rewarded with Socialist “Any sleazy rumour about Abbott may be pedelled with glee” Steve from Brisbane leaving us again for a while.
Steve,
Can you fuck off? No one here likes you.
Not even the ever fair and polite Dover Beach or Jarrah.
jones is well past his 15 minutes on this issue.
I’m still trying to reconcile PvO’s take on all things Abbott. Perhaps, having worked for Abbott in the past, he feels like he needs to be over critical to avoid accusations of bias?
I had a crack at PvO on twitter this morning after watching a replay of the Kroger interview. Wound up being invited to appear on the contrarians… From all reports I can find, he seems like a decent bloke in person…
The real question is, who is this guy? So he’s got a gig at The Australian. So have Beattie and Emmerson which explains, a few exceptions aside, what that’s worth. And if anyone wants kidz newz why pay Foxtel when they can watch The Project for free on Ten. Something is way out of kilter here.