Open Forum: October 6, 2012 at Catallaxy Files

Open Forum: October 6, 2012

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Written by Sinclair Davidson

October 6th, 2012 at 12:01 am

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g’day

jumpnmcar

6 Oct 12 at 12:01 am
Bullshit alert!!

Restricting nuclear power has little effect on the cost of climate policies

jumpnmcar

6 Oct 12 at 12:05 am
ANTARCTIC sea ice has expanded to cover the largest area recorded since satellite mapping began more than three decades ago, in stark contrast to this year’s record melt on the northern pole.

The expansion continues a trend of increasing Antarctic sea ice cover of about 1 per cent a decade and is at odds with predictions of climate change models that continue to forecast a long-term decline.

That’s very naughty of the climate and ice not to follow the scammers predictions.

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 12:28 am
AUSTRALIA’S border protection regime was dealt another blow yesterday when the High Court overturned the government’s ability to indefinitely detain an asylum-seeker found by ASIO to be a national security risk.

The decision places a cloud over the detention of more than 50 asylum-seekers deemed by ASIO to be national security risks.

The High Court, which last year struck down the Malaysia people-swap deal and sidelined offshore processing, ruled that a regulation under the Migration Act was invalid and a 36-year-old Tamil, who has been in detention for almost three years after receiving an adverse security assessment from ASIO, should have his case reconsidered.

Lawyer David Manne,[who else] who led the case and who successfully challenged the government’s Malaysian deal last year, immediately called for his client to be granted his freedom and flagged further legal action if the government failed to review all similar cases.

I don’t understand this. They want some bloke who is deemed a security risk to be let into the community. Are they mad? Why not just send him back to Sri Lanka?

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 12:33 am
Gab
Nico Bauer is “computer modeller ” that wrote the BS study i posted.
Maybe he works on sea ice models too.

jumpnmcar

6 Oct 12 at 12:35 am
Right, Jump. So he’s an economist not a scientist but that’s okay, he can muck around with climate science so long as he toes the IPCC line.

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 12:38 am
I agree Gab.

Set him free, deport him or put him on trial.

I am confused as to why ii) or iii) have not happened yet.

.

6 Oct 12 at 12:41 am
He’s been deemed a security risk by ASIO. There is no need for a trial and certainly setting him free in the community is not an option, it’s madness.

Every other person that comes here and is deemed a security risk is returned forthwith. No mucking around, no deliberations. Gone. Why is this bloke treated differently? Send him back to Sri Lanka.

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 12:46 am
Is it just me or does it appear that after the last poll in QLD showed that Newmans popularity hasn’t budged one micron despite the couriermails hysterical borderline creepy six month jihad against him – that they’ve officially given up? The front page is absent even one mention of him and how evil he is.

How demoralising must it be to go to work everyday thinking that you’re changing hearts and minds – thinking that you hold the opinions of hundreds of thousands in the palm of your hand – then find out that people don’t care one iota about what or your shitty newspaper say.

Poor old Love Media.

twostix

6 Oct 12 at 12:47 am
I don’t understand this. They want some bloke who is deemed a security risk to be let into the community. Are they mad? Why not just send him back to Sri Lanka?

No , I think the High Court has done a decent thing here. They are suggesting that a arm of government can’t make these decisions.

I think that if they go the route of judicial supervision it would pass muster. You want a judge overseeing these decisions, not a bunch of APS schleps.

JC

6 Oct 12 at 12:47 am
You want judges deciding if someone is a security risk? What’s their intel?

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 12:48 am
Gab is sucked in by the Australian’s war on climate, where repeatedly Graham Lloyd’s reports have headlines and openings which are misleading and later contradicted in the same story.

Typical.

Steve from Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 12:56 am
You want judges deciding if someone is a security risk? What’s their intel?

Let the schleps put it forward in a closed hearing, not an open court.

JC

6 Oct 12 at 12:59 am
You know it will just be more lefty-hugging ‘oh the poor dear had a tough life we better ignore security warnings and let him roam around in the community’. What the point of even having a security assessment if it just gets overruled by these bleeding hearts in the judiciary? What’s the point of all the intel and assessments if they are ignored?

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 1:03 am
Never fear, the Greens are on the case:

Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young said she would introduce a private member’s bill in the Senate on Wednesday to establish a review mechanism for adverse ASIO assessments.

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 1:08 am
FFS.

CC

6 Oct 12 at 1:12 am
17! Uzbekistan’s lucky number!

Abu Chowdah

6 Oct 12 at 1:15 am
They’ve certainly got the world well trained.

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 1:16 am
Politicians – the ones responsible for weak laws and incompetent mates on the bench who slap murderers, molesters and rapists on the wrist, thereby often enough facilitating later deaths, are angry with the public for expressing their disgust. Oh yeah, they also want to ban free speech online.

I’m sure that’s just a coincidence. And so – led by affirmative action appointment to the attorney-generalship, Nicola “$50,000″ Roxon…

Social media faces regulation over hate pages created after Jill Meagher’s death.

Hate pages.

Note, once again, that the people publicising the publicity about the Meager murder are police and politicians. How about this for a gift to the Meager accused’s legal team?

AUSTRALIA’S attorneys-general will set up a working group to look at the influence of social media sites on a person’s right to a fair trial.

The murder of the Melbourne woman Jill Meagher has brought into sharp focus the issue of social media’s potential influence on criminal trials.

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 1:16 am
Common sense and experience of life… Not a prerequisite for the bench.

Abu Chowdah

6 Oct 12 at 1:18 am
AUSTRALIA’S attorneys-general will set up a working group to look at the influence of social media sites on a person’s right to a fair trial.

Are they going to close down Telstra, Optus and Vodafone in case someone mentions it to their mum on dog n’ bone?

Australia is fly blown shit heap. Nuke it towel heads. I beseech you, you slack pricks. Put us out of our misery.

Infidel Tiger

6 Oct 12 at 1:20 am
How about this for a gift to the Meager accused’s legal team?

Absolutely. But then what else can one expect from the dank-haired dull-headed judges clerk and unionist Roxon ?

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 1:23 am
lank.

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 1:24 am
We have to be very clear about this.

Australia’s attorney-generals have deliberately publicised and catastrophised about the Meager case – to the extent that they’ve organised a special conference pursuant to a publicly argued (and alleged) connection between online commentary and the delivery of justice in that case – for the express purpose of milking public grief about Jill Meager’s death to strike against free speech.

They could just as readily reform the law to remove or modernise the quaint old British hogwash surrounding sub judice – to say nothing of totalitarian court orders about naming the names of child molesters, et hoc genus omne.

What the public demands is truth in sentencing and mandatory (literal) life sentences for the worst of the worst. They are also sick of wacko judges.

The attorneys will of course say that they want to ensure the worst of the worst are not set free, for want of a fair trial – the possibility of such dangerous liberations having been of no particular interest to them until now.

They are, to a man and woman, morally revolting poseurs – Liberals included.

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 1:42 am
Watching the US Presidential debate and the Romney speech in Virginia it looks like ‘being Green’ is a liability in the electoral race. It seems to me the Republican’s emphasis on coal and energy independence, and the Democrat’s silence so far, suggest Australia is swimming against the tide with the Carbon Tax.

NewBoy

6 Oct 12 at 2:29 am
What the point of even having a security assessment if it just gets overruled by these bleeding hearts in the judiciary?

Exactly. I am with Gab. But what the court has pointed out is that the denial of visa contravenes the migration act, because the latter does not mention security assessment as a condition.

They need to urgently amend the migration act, that is all.

If the guy is in danger of political persecution in Sri Lanka, he cna’t be sent there. so he will be in limbo.

Boris

6 Oct 12 at 3:20 am
These numbers are pretty fucking amazing.

White: 7.0%, 0.2% lower than the August rate of 7.2%.
Black: 13.4%, 0.7% lower than the August rate of 14.1%.
Asian: 4.8%, 1.1% lower than the August rate of 5.9%.
Hispanic: 9.9%, 0.3% lower than the August rate of 10.2%.

Is is racist to highlight the Asian stats?

JC

6 Oct 12 at 3:35 am
Poor, desperate Febrile. Shades of George Stephanopaulos declaring the Romney drubbing of Obama a tie.

Deep breaths, Febrile. Deep breaths.

Oh come on

6 Oct 12 at 3:35 am
Bauer is comparing nuclear to natural gas, which admittedly is close in terms of cost, and saying natural gas is only a 10% more expensive way to abate CO2 emissions.

I note this would assume a relatively unhindered development of natural gas resources.

It would be interesting to see the “no nukes and no fracking” case.

2dogs

6 Oct 12 at 6:17 am
I’ve suddenly realised what I’ve been doing wrong: I’ve been assuming that Fembro was an extremely immature 19-year-old male. I now realise she’s a quite dense 30-year-old female! Femmie, it’s endearing that you think reciting zombie gibberish here will do anything beside make you look like a poor lost soul who’s wandered into the wrong postcode. And I guess it’s a bit of a rush to get a reaction like this. I remember seeing a group of leftist protesters behaving like you at the fall of the Pinochet regime in Santiago, Chile, in 1990: naughty children daring the carabineiros to tear-gas them (the cops were happy to oblige). The blog’s owner/guardian is Professor Sinclair Davidson. You need to insult/annoy him personally in order to get banned. So you need to wind up the rhetoric. (Hint: Google “Graeme Bird”.) There’s a good girl. Go hard.

Tom

6 Oct 12 at 6:56 am
If Abbott was no threat – as Malcolm was – they’d want him to stay on – as they did!

Blogstrop

6 Oct 12 at 7:01 am
I’ve suddenly realised what I’ve been doing wrong: I’ve been assuming that Fembro was an extremely immature 19-year-old male

Actually Tom probably a little of both.

And double the age.

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 7:12 am
I see Lawrie Oakes is once again doing an AbbottAbbottAbbott.

The useless lickspittle for the MSM.

Mike of Marion

6 Oct 12 at 7:21 am
Election 2012: Ohio President
Rassie: Ohio: Obama 50%, Romney 49%

The critical battleground state of Ohio remains a draw, with President Obama holding a one-point lead in the first post-debate survey of the contest there.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Ohio Voters, taken last night, finds Obama with 50% support to Mitt Romney’s 49%. One percent (1%) likes another candidate, and another one percent (1%) is undecided.

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 7:29 am
Febro is no longer here.

Sinclair Davidson

6 Oct 12 at 7:33 am
Fibro is no longer here.

Great stuff Sinc.

You knew it made sense.

Rabz

6 Oct 12 at 7:43 am
We have to be very clear about this.

Australia’s attorney-generals have deliberately publicised and catastrophised about the Meager case – to the extent that they’ve organised a special conference pursuant to a publicly argued (and alleged) connection between online commentary and the delivery of justice in that case – for the express purpose of milking public grief about Jill Meager’s death to strike against free speech.

To actually control the internet in this manner is technically impossible

Max

6 Oct 12 at 7:43 am
What the zombies don’t understand about Alan Jones and why he will survive the banshee left’s attempt to assassinate him in the past week:

HE is a one-man gold mine. Brand Alan Jones. Worth about $24 million a year to the Macquarie Radio Network, his audience might not be young and trendy but it is gilt-edged, the so-called “affluent 40-64 demographic”.

These households typically earn more than $100,000 a year so they have cash to spare – and Jones has kept most of them with him over the past 25 years while he has reigned as the king of breakfast radio.

Because of his listeners, advertisers are prepared to pay the Macquarie Radio Network up to $4550 for Jones to do a 30-second live read spruiking their products or their businesses. The cheapest deal is still $1170 for a 30-second pre-recorded read that goes to air in Sydney only, not across the national network.

The left is infuriated by the fact that he connects with the public like no-one else in the Australian media; he is the most popular broadcaster in Australia by a street.

Hint for Australia’s Che Guevara revolutionaries: if you want to change the world, change it to something better that’s supported by the people. Of course, that’s anathema to the fascist left; that’s why the fascist left government will still be defeated, even after attempting to fix its worst fuckups. Blind Freddie could lead the Opposition and it would still win.

Tom

6 Oct 12 at 7:50 am
Thank you, Your Omnipotence. Most grateful.

Tom

6 Oct 12 at 7:53 am
Award winning LaboUr press release stenographer Laurie Jokes continues the smear in the Telegraph today.

How desperate is Abbott he asks.

But he missed highlighting one wife.

The former first lady lived up to her billing as Mr Rudd’s “better half” as she defended him against withering personal criticism from the Prime Minister and some senior Labor ministers.

But in an exclusive interview with The Sunday Telegraph, she has also revealed her first clue to the events that saw her family evicted from The Lodge.

Make space in the trophy cabinet, Laurie.
There is another of these credible awards coming your way for quality investigative, non-partisan ordinary journalism.

handjive

6 Oct 12 at 8:14 am
“The left is infuriated by the fact that he connects with the public like no-one else in the Australian media”‘

That’s true, and whether one agrees with or not he gets out and about like to the carbon rally and other stuff and stands up for what he believes in and talks to people. At his age it’s fairly onerous what he does.

He doesn’t just sit in the radio station and sprout opinions and go home.

candy

6 Oct 12 at 8:14 am
They want some bloke who is deemed a security risk to be let into the community.

And why is he deemed a security risk. “We’re not sayin’”.

They’re not saying because they’d be embarrassed to admit the real reason. Did he one consider voting for a left-wing party somewhere? Perhaps he didn’t sincerely genuflect to George W Bush when he visited his homeland. Maybe he “insulted” an ASIO officer somewhere. You trust ASIO? Best of luck!

hammygar

6 Oct 12 at 8:18 am
Dot to Alice (from Wednesday thread):

Alice. Do not associate yourself with Jarrah. I like him. He pisses me off over what boils down to semantics sometimes. I’ll concede he’s right more than I am over that but I find it tedious.

On the other hand, you are an insane crackpot space cadet. If there was ever such a thing as regulation of the internet, you should be a persona non grata.

Jarrah and I actually agree on 99% of stuff. He’s studying economics and law and I think he’d be a better economist (although law is a better career path, IMO – and I actually think he will make a very good economist). I wish he’d lose some of the cultural baggage of being a lefty. I am not sucking up because I’ve met him and I quite like his blog.

Like typical libertarians, we go to war with each other on trivialities.

You were too loopy to be kept on as a cheerleader on Kwiggern’s left wing academic economist blog.

Yep, agree with Dot. I’ll add that Jarrah is excellent at internet stoushing. A stoush with him is quite enjoyable.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 8:18 am
Blind Freddie could lead the Opposition

Headline: He does!

hammygar

6 Oct 12 at 8:20 am
I have no special knowledge of this case.

gab:

Every other person that comes here and is deemed a security risk is returned forthwith. No mucking around, no deliberations. Gone. Why is this bloke treated differently? Send him back to Sri Lanka.

Odd they have not.

This screams LTTE.

ABout the only reason I can think of not to send him back is that Sri lanka has the death penalty for the very worst of the LTTE, the torturers, the death squad leaders: war criminals.

If he’s one of those, the mincing cowards in the ALP would not want to send him back to face the music. They’d rather he become your next door neighbour.

he just might be a very, very bad bastard.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 8:23 am
Headline: He does!

Whoa!

Brilliant stuff yet again from d’Hamster.

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 8:33 am
Why not just send him back to Sri Lanka

Non-refoulement. It’s a big problem. We don’t want him as he failed the Security assessment. Our responsibilities under the UN Convention on Refugees doesn’t permit sending him back to be ‘persecuted’. And nobody else will take him (see failed security assessment). Consequently, there’s no obvious path for dealing with him, and he’ll just languish in detention until some circuit breaker is found. Perhaps guarantees from Sri Lanka as to his freedom from ill treatment. Regardless, we’ll have S H-Y and her ilk agitating to accept him and his fellows because refugee rights trump national security /sarc.

Cold-Hands

6 Oct 12 at 8:36 am
Glad Fibro’s trolling isn’t here to irritate anymore. At least SfB makes some research efforts to indicate the sources of his wrongness. Thus he provides a case study of someone being led astray by internet economic dross which is salutory for those of us still on their Austrian Economics 101 L-plates. So perhaps he is serves a purpose here.

Thanks too Dot for your useful summary last night of issues to do with response rates in surveys. Obviously, the complexity of what one is trying to obtain from the survey really matters re selection bias issues, as well as original sample size and what you are left with. If the numbers get brutally small when n is small, even some very clever tweaking may not be enough to save the day.

For those interested in an amusing overview of the key flaws, fallacies and statistical waywardness often found in biomedical research, then the Epidemiological Bestiary may succinctly help (useful Gerald Searle type animals are created out of the different problems encountered in such research). It is good for example to put a face on a nasty confounder or a sneaky regression to the mean and other such interlopers to one’s efforts.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

6 Oct 12 at 8:43 am
hammyracist has wriggled out of his dung heap. How nice.

They’re not saying because they’d be embarrassed to admit the real reason.

jeez, white supremacists are stupid. A security agency does not want to reveal it’s sources to the public because, y’know, they’ll lose them permanently if they do. And this does not matter to commieboy.

Next come his masturbatory projections, of course…

Did he one consider voting for a left-wing party somewhere? Perhaps he didn’t sincerely genuflect to George W Bush when he visited his homeland. Maybe he “insulted” an ASIO officer somewhere.

Hope you used a tissue there, you stalinist wanker.

You trust ASIO? Best of luck!

Worked with them enough in the 80s and 90s to know they are one of the better of the security agencies in the Anglosphere, so yes. (of course, you are utterly ignorant of what they actually do, and depend on lurid fantasies you invent)

Now, you paleosimian-terrorist-loving sack of racist crap, consider this:
- the LTTE are a proscribed terrorist organisation
- they were among the most formidable terrorist organisations of their era (they invented targeted suicide-bomber assassinations twenty years ago for example)
- there’s so many LTTE trying to get to Australia that the Sri Lankan Navy has reactivated reserve warships and is running a barrier patrol to catch them
- so far they have reaped a rather nice harvest of senior LTTE (IIRC they got one of the senior torturers and his lads and lasses, and hanged the lot)
- LTTE supporters here in Australia are funnelling funds to LTTE in Sri Lanka and Tamil Nadu to get their people over here.

Logically then, any sources ASIO has inside that LTTE structure would have to be at serious risk of being killed if their identities were to be revealed.

And that is what the Official Secrets Act does.

How good’s ASIO? Ask the 30+ muslims currently doing time in Australian gaols for planning terrorist attacks here in Australia.

If you are in Melbourne where most leninist filth seems to reside, do you use the train? The muslims gaoled as a result of Operation Pendennis were going to put 10-30 backpack bombs on the trains, to kill people just like you.

You can thank ASIO, AFP and VICPOL for saving hundreds of lives.

Anyway, White-Australia racist, you hate Sri Lankans. They are dark-skinned.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 8:46 am
Obama’s not the only one who’s lazy and disengaged: Laurie Oakes “phoned in” this column this morning which does little more than repeat Labor talking points:

The first conclusion to be drawn from all this is that Abbott’s so-called “women problem” is real. It would not provoke such a response unless it was showing up as a serious issue in Liberal Party polling…

Abbott’s aggression, his unrelenting attack dog image, is a turn-off for women, and it alienates many male voters as well. So the Margie message is not only that “Tony gets women” and operates happily surrounded by strong females.

Do the work, Laurie, you lazy bastard.

Tom

6 Oct 12 at 8:48 am
Oakes link.

Tom

6 Oct 12 at 8:55 am
And why is he deemed a security risk. “We’re not sayin’”.

They’re not saying because they’d be embarrassed to admit the real reason. Did he one consider voting for a left-wing party somewhere? Perhaps he didn’t sincerely genuflect to George W Bush when he visited his homeland. Maybe he “insulted” an ASIO officer somewhere. You trust ASIO? Best of luck!

hammy

Can you point where ASIO have ever really screwed up badly, see if there was a reason why they’d look into it, then tally it against their successes?

To be honest, Australian police and military intelligence since Federation has been well conducted, overall. The RBA has a worse public image when it comes to cloak and dagger, honeypot style scandals. The proof that they’ve done their job well is that we’ve seen very little political violence. Our lone assassination (maybe two with Donald Mackay) had fiduciary motives.

Anyway is this actually in the remit of ASIO? I thought they dealt with internal loonies.

.

6 Oct 12 at 8:55 am
Operation Pendennis

Wait…they didn’t name the operation after a portmanteau of Dennis Richardson and ‘Pendragon’ did they? That shows a lot of respect if true…but kind of cheesy.

Anyway I forgot someone tried to shoot Calwell, the Communists sabotaged our supply lines whilst Hitler was allied to Comrade Stalin, we had a couple of bombings in the 1980s and some Turkish nationalists went on a short lived rampage at the start of WWI. Plus any wannabe Islamist terrorists have been arrested and sent to gaol.

Without denigrating their work, that’s about it.

.

6 Oct 12 at 9:01 am
For those interested in an amusing overview of the key flaws, fallacies and statistical waywardness often found in biomedical research, then the Epidemiological Bestiary may succinctly help (useful Gerald Searle type animals are created out of the different problems encountered in such research). It is good for example to put a face on a nasty confounder or a sneaky regression to the mean and other such interlopers to one’s efforts.

It is this freakin’ bad Liz, and just 2 minutes ago on another forum an old friend of mine, a neuropsych. noted some social psychologists in particular who should be called to account for shoddy research.

An equally disturbing problem is the way in which Big Pharma is so often lying about their products and the research findings. Something must break because these issues are completely fucking up biomedical research. I’m sick of it. Glad I focus on neurobiology because molecular processes are much less subject to personal bias and bullshit.

Dead Soul

6 Oct 12 at 9:04 am
they didn’t name the operation after a portmanteau of Dennis Richardson and ‘Pendragon’ did they?

Nice thought but no. Pendennis is in Cornwall and Thackeray wrote a novel with that name..

Cold-Hands

6 Oct 12 at 9:10 am
Dot:

Anyway is this actually in the remit of ASIO? I thought they dealt with internal loonies.

Of course. If he’s let in, what does he become? If you look at the ASIO Act, you’ll also see their remit is counter-terrorism, too. LTTE are terrorists.

In former Empire countries, operation names come off a randomly generated list and have since 1916. It’s to ensure that they mean nothing in relation to the intent of the operation.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 9:16 am
The High Court decision on ASIO security assessments is in effect saying that judges can assess intelligence information better than ASIO. Maybe they can. The problem is that everyone in the court, open or closed, does not have a security clearance. We have already had cases here lawyers for an accused refuse to get security clearances and who can forget the US lawyers who leaked classified information to their clients?

No, this is all about the court arrogating more power to themselves, because judges, like politicians, believe that they know more than everybody else.

The fact is that our internatiional intelligence arrangements are protected by a number of international agreements not to disclose sources. Once in court the sources would have to be disclosed. At that point the case will be withdrawn. Every lawyer will know it, and every terrorist, like Abu Hamza in the UK, will get into the country, get on benefits and we will never be able to kick them out. We will become a safe haven for some of he most murderous monsters in the world, just like the UK and Norway.

This High Court decision fails the most elementary test of common sense. It knowingly endangs the Australian public by harboring dangerous war criminals. It is stupid.

John Comnenus

6 Oct 12 at 9:20 am
Thanks too Dot

After DOT’s comments last night it occurred to me that in many realms of research such a response rate would or should disqualify the research.

Dead Soul

6 Oct 12 at 9:22 am
Have to say I’m sold on the MI-1 – MI-6 model as being superior to (as far as know what is) the ad hoc approach of the Yankees.

.

6 Oct 12 at 9:23 am
You guys can dream on about Romney but OBama is going to win.
But dont let that stop you analysing why your policy prescriptions and ideologies are pissing more and more moderate conservatives off. There are none so blind etc
There is nothing inherently wrong with a lot of people in the conservative parties.
There is a shitload wrong with the economic remedies hammered out and repeated ad nauseum by those who run the party. Its the case that they cant think outside a 30 year script. Its tragic.
What happened to the democrats?

Alice

6 Oct 12 at 9:25 am
Can you point where ASIO have ever really screwed up badly

Well how would you ever find out. Everything’s a secret including the brand of tea the insiders use for their morning breaks. They should be given a new acronym ‘ACUO’. Australian Cover Up Organisation.

Get Smart may have been set in the USA, but in Australia’s case it shouldn’t be viewed as satire – more a serious documentary.

hammygar

6 Oct 12 at 9:26 am
Only six states to go, Bambi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_status_referendum,_2012

.

6 Oct 12 at 9:27 am
This High Court decision fails the most elementary test of common sense. It knowingly endangs the Australian public by harboring dangerous war criminals. It is stupid.

Morrison is already calling for changes to the Migration act to eliminate this loophole; trainer-wheels Roxon denies the bleeding obvious and will ‘review’.

Cold-Hands

6 Oct 12 at 9:28 am
The UK Daily Mail:

Speaking at an event in Fairfax, Virginia, a relaxed and confident President Barack Obama had plenty of witty retorts and quotable sound bites to aim at his challenger Mitt Romney.

The problem was that they came a day and a half after he had been demolished by Romney during the first presidential debate in Denver and were scripted and delivered with the aid of a pair of teleprompters flanking the stage.

Obama finally gets in his witty replies to Romney – 48 hours late. Did the TWO teleprompters help a bit?

Ouch.

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 9:28 am
You guys can dream on about Romney but OBama is going to win.

I always said it was going to be close.

Why do you have to be a serial liar, Alice?

There is a shitload wrong with the economic remedies hammered out and repeated ad nauseum by those who run the party. Its the case that they cant think outside a 30 year script.

Clinton, Reagan, Kennedy, Howard, Hawke and Keating all followed the Washington consensus to some extent and the result was high employment growth and real wages growth.

You literally know nothing about economic history Alice, nothing at all.

.

6 Oct 12 at 9:30 am
I feel guilty now.

The 5%/95% figure came from me but it’s actually 9%/91%

I ‘misremembered’ as they say.

I posted this on the other fred last night in response:

I saw the original Pew Research as well but I don’t have the link

Michael Barone, NRO:

As a recovering pollster (I worked for Democratic pollster Peter Hart from 1974 to 1981), let me weigh in on the controversy over whether the polls are accurate. Many conservatives are claiming that multiple polls have overly Democratic samples, and some charge that media pollsters are trying to discourage Republican voters.

First, some points about the limits of polls. Random-sample polling is an imprecise instrument. There’s an error margin of 3 or 4 percent, and polling theory tells us that one out of 20 polls is wrong, with results outside the margin of error. Sometimes it’s easy to spot such an outlier, sometimes not.

In addition, it’s getting much harder for pollsters to get people to respond to interviews. The Pew Research Center reports that only 9 percent of the people it contacts respond to its questions. That’s compared with 36 percent in 1997

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 9:31 am
Well how would you ever find out. Everything’s a secret including the brand of tea the insiders use for their morning breaks.

Really hammy? You’ve tried to find this out have you?

.

6 Oct 12 at 9:31 am
Jay Leno on debate ratings:

“The only person who didn’t tune in was Obama…”

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 9:32 am
You guys can dream on about Romney but OBama is going to win.

I still don’t think it’s gonna be close dot.

I think Romney will win with the size of margin that Obama won in 2008 by popular vote.

The punters just need to be reassured that the Dems fear-mongering isn’t true.

Romney has the machine for that.

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 9:34 am
Over 70 million watched the debate.

Think about that

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 9:35 am
hammyracist

‘Marx and lenin taught me all I need to know about ASIO, and my white supremacist and communist fantasies trump reality any day’.

Notice he’s never once even tried to deny (or even argue) that he’s NOT a racist, anti-semite, terrorist supporter or white supremacist?

And he has a twee addition to his gravatar: the persecution he faces at the Cat confirm the rightness of his racist and communist beliefs.

How sweet.

OTOH: Speaking or terrorists, I see the Pallies are setting up a casino in one of the new luxury megaplexes in Gaza. For poor oppressed people, they sure are doing well on EU money while their terrorist government keeps trying to murder innocent Israelis.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 9:41 am
Hammy AKA LENIN
Read my lips –NO I DON.T

blind freddy

6 Oct 12 at 9:43 am
Forgot: proof of hammyracist being proud of his racist and white supremacist views:

I strongly believe in a collectivist culture, and know that capitalism has caused immeasurable harm to mankind. I strongly believe socialism will have a surging comeback after recovering from the disaster that Reagan forced illegally onto the blessed USSR.

I believe in social justice, as it’s the only way for the undeserving rich to share its ill-gotten wealth with the poor, whose state of being they created.

I’m constantly being attacked on the Catallaxy blog. That gives a great deal of confidence that my position is a worthy one

You can’t make this stuff up.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 9:44 am
Mk 50

I told Jarrah he might be channelling Iago from “Othello”. Now he might be parodying the channelling of Iago.

The suspense is killing me.

It’s got to be Les.

.

6 Oct 12 at 9:51 am
Might be. Is it hysterical enough, though?

There could be more window-licking gap-toothed losers out there living in mummy’s spare room and pulling themselves to the collected works of lenin than we think, y’know.

As we speak, hammyracist could well be moaning with perverted joy as he tugs furiously while he reads Lenin’s speech on the agrarian question of 14 November 1917.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 9:57 am
Everything’s a secret including the brand of tea the insiders use for their morning breaks.

hahahaha I thought he was talking about the ABC’s little show.

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 10:01 am
http://phys.org/news/2012-10-green-toxic-norwegians-electric-vehicle.html

When green turns toxic: Norwegians study Electric Vehicle life cycle

Dead Soul

6 Oct 12 at 10:01 am
RE: Tony Abbott’s “women problem.” Why don’t any of the pollsters ask me about it? I’m happy to say that I’ve got a problem with him, although it’s that he needs to take the fight to the ALP and not pussyfoot around.

Stop being nice and get to bloody work.

nilk

6 Oct 12 at 10:05 am
Tony Abbott’s “women problem.”

Abbott has a problem with one woman and he is most certainly not a lone wolf in that regard.

Dead Soul

6 Oct 12 at 10:09 am
Oakes is such a good Labor boy. He and Labor and the other sycophants have been pushing the meme for over five years. How dare Mrs Abbott speak up now! Get back to the ironing they all tell her.

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 10:11 am
You guys can dream on about Romney but OBama is going to win.

Alice, from this I take it that you’re quite okay with a US President who has lied, who is the Commander-in-Chief of departments that gave guns to Mexican criminals and then lost them.

We only know about this because those guns have been used to kill people – not just other criminals, but also teenagers and old people among others.

This is a President who is happy to use federal funds to bribe voters (Obamaphone, anyone?) and has approved the use of unmanned drones to kill terrorists over Pakistan way.

If George Bush had done any of this, people would be screaming blue murder, and I suspect you’d be a part of the baying lynch mob.

But because it’s half-black Barry, you seem to be okay with that.

I don’t see anywhere that Romney’s got anything like that in his past.

But that’s okay – at least we know you’re not racist.

nilk

6 Oct 12 at 10:21 am
RE: Tony Abbott’s “women problem.”

It’s an extraordinary slander, the worst in its cynicism and scope that has ever been leveled at and sustained against a leader in Australia’s history.

Inflated by Anthony “Piggy” Albanese, Nanny Roxon, etc (as expected) but then outrageously floated oh-so piously by the likes of Labor lapdogs Laurie Oakes, the ABC, etc.

People need to start making complaints to the Press Council, if the Tele can be forced to withdraw its opinion pieces about Clover Moore and bike paths simply because some random leftist didn’t like it, it stands to reason that unless Oakes, etc can prove that Abbott has a problem with women that they need to withdraw and be forced to apologise by the system of censure that they are oh-so in love with and want to give more power to.

twostix

6 Oct 12 at 10:24 am
The actual power in the ALP – the union men – true to form shows their racism, homophobia and sexism:

PENNY Wong will be locked out of the top spot on a Senate ticket by one of the “faceless men” who helped topple Rudd.

http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/labors-faceless-men-to-deny-wong-top-spot-on-senate-ballot/story-e6frfkp9-1226489471846

twostix

6 Oct 12 at 10:26 am
The days of us freeloaders getting to read Oz articles by using the Google technique promoted in Catallaxy have gone. They’ve cottoned on to that one now.

whyisitso

6 Oct 12 at 10:31 am
Oakes is such a good Labor boy. He and Labor and the other sycophants have been pushing the meme for over five years. How dare Mrs Abbott speak up now! Get back to the ironing they all tell her.

Oakes is a clown taken seriously by so few anymore.

He does need a good smacking from the Press Council though, just to ensure he ends his career of being wrong all the time on a high note.

twostix

6 Oct 12 at 10:33 am
The ALP have a woman problem.

If women are not left wing, they are not women.

If they are culturally conservative, but even if they have liberal social ideas, they are not women

Having a vagina is a qualification.

Women must be protected as though they are helpless, this is somehow enabling. To preach modernity, we must have a backwards policy of a specific “women’s department/office”.

Women are so inept they need quotas to help them

The main concerns of “real women” are gay marriage, unfettered access to abortion and denigration of masculinity in schools, the family court, the presumption of male guilt, unfair privilege in property settlements etc

“Real men” want to be denigrated and will do so to prove they are not “mysogynists”.

This borders on cult like beliefs. It is a bizzare mix of glorification and condescension, much like the noble savage myth.

Whatever happened to equality between persons and diversity of opinion?

The net result of such an ideology is an incompetent bully like Gillard at the top.

.

6 Oct 12 at 10:34 am
Over 70 million watched the debate.

That’s like 4.5 million Australians watching a political debate!

Infidel Tiger

6 Oct 12 at 10:36 am
Is there anyone here who would trust Nicola Roxon to properly do their conveyancing?

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 10:40 am
FINANCE Minister Penny Wong will be locked out of the top spot on Labor’s SA Senate ticket by one of the “faceless men” who helped topple Kevin Rudd.

Good. She is an incompetent, robotic liar who is out of her depth and she is a complete amateur in her portfolio.

If only they’d shaft the man who sold his brain for a seat in Parliament, our poor dear friend Dr Andy Leigh.

.

6 Oct 12 at 10:42 am
Gotta say…

I thought Mrs Abbott’s entrance into things was a mistake.

Labor’s McTernan-scripted ‘war on woman’ stuff was becoming a parody of itself. It would have been better to let it go down in flames over time, trusting also that inevitably one of the accusers would be caught out being a sexist sexist. Like Bill Shorten abusing a female shop-keeper because he wanted a pie. Tommo caught out rooting somebody again etc.

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 10:43 am
Nicola Roxon has a problem just washing her hair properly. Surely on her huge salary she can afford a proper hairdresser and get advice on washing her hair correctly and keeping it neat and clean.
or she could have a gland problem, i spose.

candy

6 Oct 12 at 10:44 am
Good point, Candy.

You’re right.

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 10:45 am
“The High Court decision on ASIO security assessments is in effect saying that judges can assess intelligence information better than ASIO.”

This is not true. Most people discussing this here seem to think the courts are going to run the intelligence assessment again. That’s false. They want the AAT to look at the process, not the result. That’s the essence of judicial review.

I’m also perplexed that a group of people who daily castigate public servants as incompetent bureaucrats are suddenly declaring that public servants ASIO can do no wrong.

Jarrah

6 Oct 12 at 10:48 am
“I thought Mrs Abbott’s entrance into things was a mistake.”

CL, I tend to think she’s been upset by all the stuff they say about her husband. Over at Crikey they insinuate that he beats her up. It must really get her down.

candy

6 Oct 12 at 10:49 am
I thought Mrs Abbott’s entrance into things was a mistake.

I don’t. I think she will strike a chord with a lot of people, standing up for her family.

Plus there probably wasn’t anyone who could have stopped her!

Eddystone

6 Oct 12 at 10:54 am
The net result of such an ideology is an incompetent bully like Gillard at the top.

You can’t say things like that about gillard because…well..~~she’s~~ it’s a female.

Now it’s okay to call Abbott a bully becuase he’s a male. See the difference? Also, if you don’t vote for Gillard you’re a wall-punching misogynist.

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 10:54 am
Their record is good Jarrah and they belong in the justifiable part of Government.

I’m also sure they have less slackers than say the Office for the Status of Women. Remember Myles Peterson’s missive about speechwriting for Roxon when she was health Minister?

The court may have done the right thing. If the decision sucks, the law is an ass.

.

6 Oct 12 at 10:54 am
“I thought Mrs Abbott’s entrance into things was a mistake.”

Maybe so but what it has elicited are numerous misogynistic remarks from the luvrve media, especially those an ABC24, and Catherine Deveny.

The strategy worked well in that respect.

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 10:57 am
has elicited are numerous misogynistic remarks about Mrs Abbott…

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 10:58 am
Candy, check it out…

Morals campaigner Nicola Roxon.

Bergen-Belsen guard Irma Grese.

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 10:58 am
“Morals campaigner Nicola Roxon.”

oh my God, she needs help.

candy

6 Oct 12 at 11:02 am
Hey, remember when Gillard, Albanese, Roxon et alia were planning to send women and children to Malaysia to be tortured, whipped and sold into sex slavery?

Nothing anti-woman about that.

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 11:05 am
Gab, so now I’m a wall-punching misgynist? Geez. I’ve never punched a wall, although I did kick a hole in one once.

And no, I’d still never Vote for the Red Dalek.

nilk

6 Oct 12 at 11:08 am
Yes, their ABC is heavily promoting the fictitious wall punch again.

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 11:10 am
Michelle Malkin on Obama’s flagging campaign:

Desperate Dems Hide Behind Big Bird.

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 11:13 am
Missed amid Labor’s latest soap opera style confected outrage:

”Although the (Tobacco Plain Packaging) act regulated the plaintiffs’ intellectual property rights and imposed controls on the packaging and presentation of tobacco products it did not confer a proprietary benefit or interest on the Commonwealth,” a summary of the judgement said.

”The act was valid as it did not acquire property. It therefore did not engage section 51(xxxi) of the constitution.”

Warning: link goes to SMH. Reading SMH can clog your arteries.

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 11:30 am
”Although the (Tobacco Plain Packaging) act regulated the plaintiffs’ intellectual property rights and imposed controls on the packaging and presentation of tobacco products it did not confer a proprietary benefit or interest on the Commonwealth,” a summary of the judgement said.

The aim was to reduce smoking and they spend less on merit goods now.

These guys should probably do a B Ec. The poor stupid bastards don’t know what implicit or opportunity costs are.

“I didn’t pay cash for it so it isn’t a cost or a saving”

Uh…

.

6 Oct 12 at 11:33 am
The High Court decision re security and refugee applicants is no reflection on the Court. It is a reflection on the sloppy drafting of the Migration Act, which has been amended so many times for so many conflicting reasons that it is nearly as much of a dog’s breakfast as the tax legislation.

It also reflects the fact that by signing up to the Refugee Convention we have closed off a lot of our policy options, as adherence to the Convention is required under the Act. We have pretty much 100% control on legal migrants, but as soon as someone puts up their hand as a refugee a completely different, and much less rigorous, set of rules apply.

While judges will not be deciding security issues, they will be able to meddle in the processes, and of course lengthy delays and lawyerfests paid for by taxpayers will ensue.

johanna

6 Oct 12 at 11:34 am
While judges will not be deciding security issues, they will be able to meddle in the processes, and of course lengthy delays and lawyerfests paid for by taxpayers will ensue.

Good.

The only thing that tried to protect Bolt was a bloody lawyer.

Some of them are on the side of the Angels, Insh’Allah.

.

6 Oct 12 at 11:39 am
Should Obama have been allowed to use a teleprompter in the debate?

Yes, say Obama zombies.

Fleeced

6 Oct 12 at 12:03 pm
Obama Supporters President Should Have Teleprompter At Debates

Ahahahahahahahahaha.

Gold.

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 12:20 pm
Haw!

The hate-a-thon poll on Alan Jones has just been signed by Chips Rafferty, Biggles and the Captain of the Titanic!

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 12:23 pm
Nicola Roxon has a problem just washing her hair properly. Surely on her huge salary she can afford a proper hairdresser and get advice on washing her hair correctly and keeping it neat and clean.

You’d think Julia would offer Tim’s services.

Fleeced

6 Oct 12 at 12:26 pm
Oh, that’s rude.

The Alan Jones hatefest poll was just signed – I am not making this up – by

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Some great poll you have here, white boys.

Perhaps people are not taking them seriously?

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 12:31 pm
I KNEW Elvis was not dead!

This just gets better and better

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Some great poll you have here, white boys.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 12:39 pm
Should Obama have been allowed to use a teleprompter in the debate?

Yes, say Obama zombies.

Actually Romney should let him and then makes cracks about it.

I think Romney is now really fucking with head big time. There’s a huge chance the Kenyan could have a massive choke, as he’s really thin skinned. What thin skinned means is that he can’t take heat.

Figure this line of reasoning and events.

1. Romney just smoked the moron at the last debate so he’s running scared.

2. Next week Corn Rows Biden,, who is most likely going to be crushed by Ryan (and the contrast couldn’t be starker with a young attractive Veep and a gas bagging nitwit which the campaign wants to hide as much as possible).

3. Then there are two debates with one being a town hall set up in which the Romnster does well and the last one about foreign policy which Romney should also win, but the public really doesn’t give much of a shit about.

The Kenyan is going to choke. That’s my prediction.

The problem that leftwinger zombeies don’t understand is that they try and compare other times when previous presidents stumbled in a debate suggesting what just happened is somehow comparable.

However the Kenyan didn’t stumble all that much. It’s just that Romnster came across as a superior intellect and very competent. This a huge difference.

JC

6 Oct 12 at 12:47 pm
JC @ 1247,

Astute observation. I watched and I reckon Romney was confident with the information he wanted to get out there. He had some very telling responses to Obama who looked very unprepared and ‘disinterested”

Mike of Marion

6 Oct 12 at 12:51 pm
Romney was good in the debate because he wasn’t embarrassed by his policies. Many Republican types claim to be fiscally responsible, but are afraid to talk about cutting spending, etc.

Fleeced

6 Oct 12 at 1:00 pm
Axelrod says that was the plan. They wanted Obama to appear ‘calm’ and ‘presidential.’

LOL.

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 1:02 pm
JC, did you see Dick Morris is predicting Mittens comfortably – by roughly the same margin as Obama over McCain? Only Rasmussen will have bankable cred among the pollsters next year. Many in the prediction business will lose their jobs, IMO.

Tom

6 Oct 12 at 1:05 pm
CL, that could be right yet it reeks of post-facto rationalisation.

Where the Preshizzle (Paco™)spoke, it was on a very limited subject range. it’s like he was briefed on a series of talking points memo’s.

That only has one meaning. He has no depth of knowledge across the range of topics addressed. I have done a hell of a lot of briefings in my career and that was real junior officer behaviour.

he just does not know very much, the structure of his preparation betrays it.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 1:08 pm
Mark, Bambi has spent a lifetime winging it. You just know he was the student who rocked up with no tutorial presentation prepared. He couldn’t be excluded because he was aff. action and he has a nice smile. That was good enough. It’s always been good enough for Obama.

Then he met Romney, uber-intelligent, ruthless and super-articulate.

Unsackable object meets unstoppable force.

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 1:13 pm
Further to Romney’s ruthlessness, if he is elected president he could be as notable for national security as much as economics. He strikes me as one of those old world WASPish bastards and he will slaughter America’s enemies without batting an eyelid.

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 1:15 pm
Tom

I hope you’re right of course.. And I hope toe sucker is right.

Look, to be honest I don’t have any edge in knowing who is right or wrong about the polls. The padding up the demolition vote to gross levels seems to be stupid or downright dishonest. However the betting markets still show the Kenyan as a win.

I really dunno.

I thought Bush sen

JC

6 Oct 12 at 1:17 pm
Axelrod says that was the plan. They wanted Obama to appear ‘calm’ and ‘presidential.’

Pathetic

Token

6 Oct 12 at 1:18 pm
Tom

I hope you’re right of course.. And I hope toe sucker is right.

Look, to be honest I don’t have any edge in knowing who is right or wrong about the polls. The padding up the demolition vote to gross levels seems to be stupid or downright dishonest. However the betting markets still show the Kenyan as a win.

I really dunno.

I thought that bush snr would take out Clinton. I thought that gore would beat bush 2 by a long way.

I never had a great feel about US elections.

I thought Bush sen

JC

6 Oct 12 at 1:19 pm
ANTARCTIC sea ice has expanded to cover the largest area recorded since satellite mapping began more than three decades ago, in stark contrast to this year’s record melt on the northern pole.

Dellingpole has said a few times, the atheist left have international government aparatus on their side…

…we have truth and God, and God is p***ed at being mocked.

Token

6 Oct 12 at 1:20 pm
Fucking IPad.

JC

6 Oct 12 at 1:20 pm
AUSTRALIA’S attorneys-general will set up a working group to look at the influence of social media sites on a person’s right to a fair trial.

Why stop there? Why not expand the scope to include the printing press.

Something tells me we’ll have a metric Copenhagen of strong worded empty rhetoric.

Token

6 Oct 12 at 1:23 pm
If it’s out of stupid and dishonest, I’ll back stupid. Groupthink is like snow blindness.

Tom

6 Oct 12 at 1:31 pm
He strikes me as one of those old world WASPish bastards and he will slaughter America’s enemies without batting an eyelid.

Did you see in the debate how he smilingly told Lehrer he was going to cut PBS’s government subsidy.

I reckon he could give a kill order and still enjoy his lunch while talking about the tax plan and ask not to be disturbed if the mission is a success.

JC

6 Oct 12 at 1:40 pm
Over 70 million watched the debate.

Think about that

…and they are now seeing the Lefties be bad losers.

Token

6 Oct 12 at 1:41 pm
AUSTRALIA’S attorneys-general will set up a working group to look at the influence of social media sites on a person’s right to a fair trial.

So let’s say Paco in Virginia runs a thread on an Australian murder and hundreds of us comment there about the scumbag responsible.

What’s Roxon going to do? Arrest Paco?

Us?

Tell us, Fatso.

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 1:45 pm
Tell us, Fatso.

It’s “Greasy haired Fatso” now, CL.

Fleeced

6 Oct 12 at 1:48 pm
Liability?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-06/woman-impaled-by-falling-tree-branch/4299224

Stupid trees.

C.L.

6 Oct 12 at 1:52 pm
Fleeced:

It’s “Greasy haired Fatso” now, CL.

It’s “Complete gronk and Greasy haired fatso” now, Fleeced.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 1:59 pm
Roxon and Conroy would have no problem shutting the internet down. They are extremely ugly fascists with hygiene issues.

Infidel Tiger

6 Oct 12 at 2:02 pm
According to the latest Rasmussen, Romney ahead in Florida (2%) and Virginia (1%) by a small margin, and just behind in Ohio (1%). Things are looking good, particularly when you see NH (3%), NC (4%), MO (3%), IA (3%), and CO (2%) to Romney.

I’m very tempted to put $500-$1000 on Romney at current odds.

dover_beach

6 Oct 12 at 2:04 pm
Stupid Trees

Somebody is going to demand warning signs around every one of those potentially deadly things one of these days.

Token

6 Oct 12 at 2:07 pm
lol… Hankygate

The Left are insane.

Fleeced

6 Oct 12 at 2:15 pm
Obama’s delayed teleprompter read response to Romney humiliating him reminds me of when George Costanza thinks of the perfect reply after being made a laughingstock during a board meeting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oApBlWipc2A

Damn it. I see a commenter at Youtube has beaten me to it.

Infidel Tiger

6 Oct 12 at 2:16 pm
I noticed the Healer had notes inked on his palms.

Gab

6 Oct 12 at 2:19 pm
Mk50, look at this.

Calibre/Item: 8mm LeBelle
Make: Berthier
Model: Mle-M-16 Artillery Carbine
Action: Bolt repeater
Scope: Open sights
Serial No: 60763
Condition: Good
Price: $525

Eddystone

6 Oct 12 at 2:21 pm
The tree accident reminds me of a poem by Peter Kocan, something along the lines that after a man fell to his death, “the authorities will ban the use and sale of height”.

As far as I can recall, Mormons like Romney have their origins in Yankee New England, having internally migrated to the Southwest:

http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2008/11/different-american-conservatisms.php

His folkways may not be far from the WASPs. Transplanted WASPs like Bush Jnr can still have that born-to-rule ethos, but the ones back home in New England have spent generations “abolishing themselves”.

Julian O'Dea

6 Oct 12 at 2:23 pm
Julian, I’m surprised somewhat by NE’s bucking of the trend in the North East; its a toss-up state surrounded by safe Dem states. And then you have New Mexico (safe Dem), surrounded by safe Rep states.

dover_beach

6 Oct 12 at 2:30 pm
Obama’s delayed teleprompter read response to Romney humiliating him reminds me of when George Costanza thinks of the perfect reply after being made a laughingstock during a board meeting.

Reminds me of Homer Simpson in the poker game when his friends said he was a little slow… I did have a link but Cat’s crappy spam filter seems to have whacked it.

Fleeced

6 Oct 12 at 2:34 pm
“Stupid trees”

Well, it depends. If Mosman Council is one of those that plants widowmakers (eucalypts) in suburbia, doesn’t maintain its street trees and makes it nearly impossible for residents to prune or remove trees on their own property, I hope she sues them for every penny she can get.

Here in the Glorious Democratic People’s Republic of the ACT, all of the above apply, and people have been killed and seriously injured as a result, not mention the annual quota of squashed cars and houses.

When I bought my house, the tree guy and I reclassified the widowmaker in my yard as a ‘shrub’, and it was promptly removed. Nothing ever came of it, but even if it had, it was one of those situations where it is easier to obtain forgiveness than permission.

johanna

6 Oct 12 at 2:37 pm
Maybe tinyurl will work

See first two minutes of this clip for Simpson’s video.

No doubt about it, Obama is a little slow.

Fleeced

6 Oct 12 at 2:40 pm
Well, it depends. If Mosman Council is one of those that plants widowmakers (eucalypts) in suburbia, doesn’t maintain its street trees and makes it nearly impossible for residents to prune or remove trees on their own property, I hope she sues them for every penny she can get

Agreed. For that matter, trees on private property that people have been restricted from chopping down/maintaining should be the same.

Fleeced

6 Oct 12 at 2:42 pm
dover beach

If you mean NH, it has always been an outlier (bumper plates “Live Free or Die”). New Mexico I would guess is chocka with Hispanics who will go Democrat.

I can see a few months of my happily obsessing over the psephology of the US Presidential election. If Romney is ahead in Florida, that is important because it carries a lot of electoral votes. Ohio is the classic bellwether state though.

Julian O'Dea

6 Oct 12 at 2:44 pm
johanna, I live in Aranda. Our street trees include brittle gums. We had a large original Blakeley’s red gum next to our house. My wife fretted about it and we had it taken down just before the rules got tougher.

That said, I don’t actually personally know of any injuries and car damage.

Julian O'Dea

6 Oct 12 at 2:48 pm
Eddystone. Saw that one. Nice!

I already have one of the Mousqueton Mle Mle-M-16, so I am after a Fusil Mle 1907/15.

Why not? I have dies and plenty of brass.

But first, as soon as the import permit comes in, I shall be able to order a trapdoor and be able to Slosh targets with a whacking great 577/450 480 grain. (Well, after I restore it…)

Looked at AIA for a new .303. No joy, looks like he’s gone out of business.

Maybe a P14 action and new barrel?? Alternative is a 10/10 SMLE action and barrel. have to think on this one. Might be best just to toss the P14 at a gunsmith and say ‘return to former glory’.

I really do like the P14 action and I am a .303 fanatic. (Why, oh why can’t we get ballistic tips in .303?)

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 2:56 pm
Julian, yes, NH, sorry. Re NM (49% Hispanics), you’re right. It has 20% more and 10% more than Arizona and Texas respectively.

dover_beach

6 Oct 12 at 3:06 pm
Electoral college – Rasmussen: Obama 271, Romney 267

One month and one day before the most important presidential election in the past quarter of a century and perhaps in the past century and a quarter, Rasmussen Reports shows the race being about as even as it could possibly be. At this point, Rasmussen’s state-by-state polling shows that President Obama would win by the tally of 271 electoral votes to 267 for Mitt Romney.

All of Rasmussen’s polls in the nine key swing states have been taken in the past three weeks, although the polls have been taken at different times during that stretch. In these nine key swing states, Rasmussen’s polling shows Romney leading in Virginia (by 1 percentage point), Florida (by 2 points), Colorado (by 2 points), Iowa (by 3 points), and New Hampshire (by 3 points). Rasmussen’s polling shows Obama leading in Ohio (by 1 point), Nevada (by 2 points), Wisconsin (by 3 points), and Pennsylvania (by 12 points).

Two months ago, on August 2, Rasmussen showed Obama ahead by the tally of 284 electoral votes to Romney’s 235. Obama subsequently expanded his lead, eclipsing 300 projected electoral votes, before falling back into what is now, for all intents and purposes, a tie.

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 3:07 pm
If you mean NH, it has always been an outlier (bumper plates “Live Free or Die”). New Mexico I would guess is chocka with Hispanics who will go Democrat.

And Californian refugees leaving Cal because of the economy who continue to vote demolitionist thereby infecting other parts of the country.

That’s why it’s imperative to throw California out of the Union and basically ban Californian emigration or at least deny any of them the right to citizenship/vote.

JC

6 Oct 12 at 3:16 pm
Looked at AIA for a new .303

Do you mean the new build “Lee Enfield” in 7.62×51?

There are a heap of them on used guns, brand new, but a bit pricy.

There is a P14 on Australian Arms Auction, looks the same as mine, with a brass plate over the stock disc.

If you’ve got a 10/10 Lee Enfield barrelled action, the other bits are readily available to restore it to military configuration.

A lot of P14/M17s have been converted to custom rifles. I don’t think original barrels are readily available. You could probably get one made, but it would be expensive.

Eddystone

6 Oct 12 at 3:19 pm
JamesK, Rasmussen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll says the full post-debate picture won’t be available ’til Monday (Aus time):

These results are based upon nightly interviews and reported on a three-day rolling average basis. As a result, only about one-third of the interviews for today’s update were conducted after the presidential debate. The single night of polling conducted after the debate did show some improvement for Romney, but it remains to be seen whether that will continue or if it was merely statistical noise. Sunday morning’s update will be the first national polling based entirely upon post-debate interviews.

Tom

6 Oct 12 at 3:21 pm
I am surprised at that gap in Pennsylvania. I have to wonder whether they polled the more rural areas effectively. Somebody once said that once you get outside the big cities, it votes like Alabama.

Lot of urban Catholics too, some of whom should be values voters. A surprising gap, as I said.

Julian O'Dea

6 Oct 12 at 3:23 pm
It ain’t gonna happen but it’s a sign of the times, JC

California Gas

Want to give the Obama campaign even more heartburn than it has now? How about putting California in play?

Seems farfetched, but then people outside of California might not have noticed that gasoline pump prices jumped as much as 30 cents a gallon yesterday. That’s how much pump prices jumped between lunch and late afternoon here on the central coast; the figure is lower in the major metropolitan areas apparently. It is not inconceivable that there could be old-fashioned shortages and gas lines by the end of the month. Some stations are shutting down or limiting sales already. Paging Jimmy Carter!

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 3:23 pm
Pre-debate article:

Obama approval tumbles in California: Is Golden State in play for GOP?

President Obama’s fundraising trip to California this week comes as a key poll shows his approval rating in the Golden State falling below 50 percent. It suggests Obama has work to do, experts say.

The sound of “ka-ching” that rang out across California this week, as President Obama made fundraising appearances in Silicon Valley, San Diego, and Hollywood, didn’t quite drown out the “thud” that has marked his dramatic drop in Golden State polls.

For the first time since Mr. Obama assumed office, fewer than half of California voters (46 percent) approve of his overall performance, according to a mid-September Field poll. Those who disapprove now stand at 44 percent.

It appears, at first blush, to be a potentially dire development for Obama. California and its 55 electoral votes have been solidly Democratic for a generation – the last Republican presidential candidate to win the state was George Bush in 1988. Losing California in 2012 would likely be fatal to Obama’s reelection bid, and even having it in play could force Obama to spend time and money defending Democratic home turf.

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 3:25 pm
“Liberty Sanger: – “and again I think that’s something that really resonates with women because women really appreciate what that means to frontline services, whether it be in health or education, childcare – those are the sorts of services that are being affected.”

New meaning for mysogynist – men who hate the views of left-wing women.

Now we need a new word for women who still expect to be cared for or protected when they need it, just not by their own menfolk.

Ellen of Tasmania

6 Oct 12 at 3:26 pm
JC, Levin was making a similar point the other day about Maryland. You have these middle class nitwits that vote Dem, state and federal, but move across the border into Virginia which was once solid Rep because of their lower taxes, commute to work in Maryland, and yet still vote Dem and transform that state into a high-taxing disaster. They really are freaking stupid.

dover_beach

6 Oct 12 at 3:29 pm
Ellen of Tasmania

There is an interesting parallel between the way in which private charity has been partly replaced by public, faceless charity (welfare, social security), partly I assume to reduce stigma; and the way in which financial support for mothers, once provided very largely by husbands, has also been put on the public purse.

Julian O'Dea

6 Oct 12 at 3:33 pm
Ellen, Liberty Sanger is a dim bulb and a Labor shill, but I repeat myself.

dover_beach

6 Oct 12 at 3:35 pm
If California’s in play then I’m on the lookout for rivers of blood and pestilence.

Infidel Tiger

6 Oct 12 at 3:37 pm
Julian/ Ellen, have a look at this, it raises just those issues and more:

Charles Murray on Coming Apart

I can’t remember the commenter that posted this on the previous open thread, but kudos and thank you.

dover_beach

6 Oct 12 at 3:39 pm
Tony Abbot lives near Mosman…hmmm

Tal

6 Oct 12 at 3:45 pm
Ellen, Liberty Sanger is a dim bulb and a Labor shill, but I repeat myself

She’s cute and she’s easy to rebut.

I like her.

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 3:45 pm
Now we need a new word for women who still expect to be cared for or protected when they need it, just not by their own menfolk.

Parasites.

nilk

6 Oct 12 at 3:47 pm
Meanwhile, http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/587761-thai-south-vendors-close-shops-out-of-fear-of-punishment/

Yobbo

6 Oct 12 at 3:51 pm
James K

There’s plenty of oil in the US, it’s just that the fucker in the White House doesn’t want to alleviate the shortages on the two coasts by allowing more pipelines to be built.

JC

6 Oct 12 at 3:51 pm
JamesK, yes, I’d be happy to ~~debase~~debate her as well. I also think that lady that used to edit the Monthly is easy on the eye too, nice voice as well.

dover_beach

6 Oct 12 at 3:51 pm
Mark Steyn, Corner NRO blog: America’s Paper of Torpor

The real problem with The New York Times is not that it’s liberal but that it’s boring. Over the years, I’ve appeared in various “newspapers of record” around the world, many of which lean left but none of which go to quite the lengths to anesthetize a story that these guys do.

Imagine if you’d heard something at work the following morning about the first debate, or you’d switched on MSNBC late on Wednesday night and caught Chris Matthews in full meltdown, or you’d read a despairing Tweet from Bill Maher or heard that Rush was cock-a-hoop. And you figured, “Gee, I wish I’d seen that debate. Maybe I’ll buy a paper, like grampa used to do.” After shoveling the quarters in the corner news box, this is what you’d have got. Headline:

The Choirboy and the Headmaster, and a Faceoff Without Fireworks
By Alessandra Stanley

Big splashy opening paragraph:

It was death by a thousand smiles: the first presidential debate, on Wednesday night, was perhaps the most genial exchange of enmity in memory.

It gets duller from there, and wronger.

I assume the Sulzbergers have been promised a second-term bailout. If not, this paper has a death wish.

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 3:52 pm
It appears, at first blush, to be a potentially dire development for Obama. California and its 55 electoral votes have been solidly Democratic for a generation – the last Republican presidential candidate to win the state was George Bush in 1988. Losing California in 2012 would likely be fatal to Obama’s reelection bid, and even having it in play could force Obama to spend time and money defending Democratic home turf.

WTF? Has the population of the state had a massive brain transplant or what?

It would be fucking hilarious if the Kenyan has to spend money in California. That would send him into a mental asylum.

JC

6 Oct 12 at 3:55 pm
I assume the Sulzbergers have been promised a second-term bailout. If not, this paper has a death wish.

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It’s Fairfax on steroids. They now sell assets to keep the wretched turd of a newspaper afloat.

JC

6 Oct 12 at 3:57 pm
Yes d_b – Sally Warhaft

Warhaft had the gumption to offer to publish a Peter Costello essay whilst sharing the stage on QANDA in response to Kevin Rudd’s childish effort on ‘neo-liberalism’ which made official the chasm between Howard/Costello and kruddy on fiscal conservatism.

Fired for that and not heard of since.

The Left are nasty

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 4:00 pm
If California’s in play then I’m on the lookout for rivers of blood and pestilence.

It doesn’t have to be. All that needs to happen is for the Kenyan’s polls to start dropping forcing the campaign to spend time and money there which would leave less resources available for the others in serious play.

This is why US presidential politics are so damned interesting to observe. It’s like a game of Risk or chess.

Romney’s team could spend a little money there pretending it’s in play thereby causing the Kenyan’s to spend money on poll research and advertising. It would be great fun being involved at the top of campaign as they devise strategy etc. It would be so stimulating. I knew a dude that was a mid level operative in the Bush 1 campaign when he lost to Clinton. I met him after. He had some great stories to tell.

JC

6 Oct 12 at 4:04 pm
Lol.

An Ohio man at the market told President Obama that business has been “Terrible since you got here,” according to the White House pool report. Via the pool report:

Potus stopped to meet people waiting for him, where he did the requisite hand-shaking, high-fiving and the rare baby-holding before going on to chat with proprietors at Turczyk’s Meats and the adjoining Larry Vilstein’s, Christopher Bakery and Edward Badbuster & Son. He then asked the proprietor at Rolston Poultry how business was going. “Terrible since you got here,” the man said. Pool could not get close enough to the Rolston Poultry man to get his name or political affiliation. Potus didn’t appear amused by the sentiment.

Translated:

“You’re fucking useless fuck off”.

JC

6 Oct 12 at 4:09 pm
NH voter sums it all up:

New Hampshire Resident: ‘Obama Couldn’t Run A Lemonade Stand’

Berlin resident David Viger says Obama’s tax and regulatory policies have hurt and in some cases shut down local businesses. The 61-year-old auto repair shop owner says he is eager to vote for Romney.

“Romney is a successful businessman. Obama is not,” Viger said. “Obama has no clue on how to run a business. Obama couldn’t run a lemonade stand.”

translated:

“You’re fucking useless, fuck off”

JC

6 Oct 12 at 4:12 pm
Dispoon Changcharoen, owner of Chong Ah Restaurant, said business was usually good on Fridays because people liked to relax and dine out, but he preferred to stay safe and would hence be closing his restaurant this week. In any case, he said, it would be difficult to find fresh supplies.

He also called on the authorities to launch morale-boosting measures.

Executing muslim extremists would boost morale no end.

Infidel Tiger

6 Oct 12 at 4:15 pm
Something must break because these issues are completely fucking up biomedical research. I’m sick of it.

There is a lot of poor quality biomedical research, as you note DB, in pharmaceutical research and psychology, the former often due to haste and commercial imperatives, the latter due to a lack of methodological design rigour within the discipline (as your link to the comment in Nature shows; it is crucial – and elementary – in replication to hold the elements and test modes constant). It is easy to get frustrated when poor scientific methods (including fudging statistics) are used, but best to get critiquing instead. Think hockey sticks!

Even epidemiology is not without its problems, although there is a pretty rigorous scientific discipline there. What I liked about epidemiological work was its strength in having an underpinning statistical foundation with regard to study design; an awareness of what you could and couldn’t do with certain types of studies (e.g. whether to control for dead cases in your exposure group or not; how you could statistically manage reduced power when dealing with very small numbers of rare cases, forms of meta-analysis etc.), i.e. the disciplinary field of epidemiological methods is well advanced although not always applied so well – for example, see the HRT fracas. There is sometimes a tendency to over-reach in the larger studies, or conversely, the data can be over-mined, pulverised to death.

I left this field of study, but not before I concluded it is best to stick to looking at where various things get published and never be scared to critique the basic assumptions underlying any study and its design once you have been fair to what they were trying to achieve. Quality biomedical serials (gold standard NEJM) publish high-level debate about any contentious findings and methodologies – best thing to do. No study is perfect in design and execution, different statistical techniques can produce variations in outcomes etc. And scratch-my-back grant applications and bias in peer review is always in the background as an issue. (I was always dubious about the ‘Women’s Health Initiative’ rubic for the HRT study; it smacked of an anti-HRT anti-BigPharma approach to start with). The politicisation of science is well advanced as part of the long march.

Anyway, guys, a fashion parade calls, and then a cocktail party, so I have to leave y’all and turns ma ‘tention to things of the moment like what to wear, what to wear??

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

6 Oct 12 at 4:24 pm
http://www.news.com.au/national/thousands-to-rally-against-live-exports/story-fndo4eg9-1226489607557

I wonder who these “no ban, no vote” retards are going to vote for if Julia doesn’t give them what they want?

The Greens? Julia gets your vote anyway.
Abbott? Somehow I don’t think so.

Not vote at all? Can’t do that either.

This is a fine illustration of the intellectual capacity of the anti-live export movement.

Yobbo

6 Oct 12 at 4:34 pm
I don’t know why but this has had me in hysterics.

dover_beach

6 Oct 12 at 4:44 pm
Hey, it worked for Debbie Wasserman Schultz, it should work for our Nicola. (Work safe.)

Eddystone

6 Oct 12 at 4:46 pm
Julian/ Ellen, have a look at this, it raises just those issues and more:

Thanks, Dover (and previous poster), I found the interview very interesting and shall download the book for listening this week. I wonder what the comparative stats would look like in Australia and the U.K. – both more socialist and humanistic than the U.S.?

Reminded me of Theodore Dalrymple’s books where he says the intelligensia come up with the silly ideas, but have the sense not to live them. Maybe.

Ellen of Tasmania

6 Oct 12 at 4:59 pm
Fired for that and not heard of since.

“Our ABC” has her as fill-in presenter when Jon Faine is unavailable. No difference to the ABC worldview.

Cold-Hands

6 Oct 12 at 5:11 pm
“Our ABC” has her as fill-in presenter when Jon Faine is unavailable. No difference to the ABC worldview.

Oh, so that’s why I haven’t heard from her since

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 5:22 pm
Rassie Florida: Romney 49%, Obama 47%

Mitt Romney now has swung back into the lead in the first post-debate survey of the presidential race in Florida.

The latest Rasmussen Reports statewide telephone survey of Florida Likely Voters shows Romney with 49% of the vote to Obama’s 47%. Three percent (3%) are undecided at this point.

Last month, the race was Obama 48%, Romney 46%. This is the third straight month the candidates have been within two points of each other. The spread has been three points or less in the Sunshine State in surveys since February.

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 5:27 pm
The Economist: Argentina
The president and the potbangers

Short version: How leftism destroy the geese that lay the golden eggs

Between 2003 and 2011, Argentina’s annual average growth rate of 7.7% was Latin America’s second-highest. This year, even by the questionable official numbers, it is set to be the lowest (see chart).

Distortions have been building for years under Ms Fernández and her late husband and predecessor, Néstor Kirchner. Price caps have squelched investment in energy and led the treasury to subsidise fuel imports. Public spending has soared, yielding a primary fiscal deficit of 3% of GDP. Thanks to the Kirchners’ quarrel with the IMF, Argentina can only raise external credit at steep interest rates. So the Central Bank has printed pesos. Inflation is around 25% according to unofficial estimates.

Until now, the economy has grown despite these policies, mainly because of high prices for its farm products, and exports to Brazil. But this year drought parched soyabean fields, and Brazil stalled. In addition $18 billion of debt and other payments came due that Argentina could not refinance. Desperate for hard currency, the government imposed curbs on imports and foreign-exchange transactions. It scared investors further by expropriating a majority stake in YPF, the national oil company, held by Spain’s Repsol. All this turned a soft landing into a screeching halt.

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 5:34 pm
(Work safe.)

Only the Southpark version of Nanny Roxon is work safe.

lotocoti

6 Oct 12 at 5:37 pm
God she’s a beast

Tal

6 Oct 12 at 5:43 pm
ooops, last call, DS not DB in my long comment above, response to DS. Apols..

ps re her hair, I think Roxon is probably doing the usual, and acting from ignorance. It is lank I suspect because she is over-conditioning it. She should see a good hairdresser who could also discuss some new styling. No Tim, best not.

It is the feminism in me. Always ready to help another suffering woman.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

6 Oct 12 at 5:49 pm
“The latest Rasmussen Reports statewide telephone survey of Florida Likely Voters”

To reach those who have abandoned traditional landline telephones, Rasmussen Reports uses an online survey tool to interview randomly selected participants from a demographically diverse panel.

I think I’m starting to see why Rasmussen is an outlier.

Jarrah

6 Oct 12 at 5:51 pm
Yes Jarrah and telephone surveys on politics in the US sometimes now have a response rate of 5%.

Now defend the piss poor response rate and response bias, and make an informed criticism of the Rasmussuen randomisation.

.

6 Oct 12 at 5:53 pm
“and make an informed criticism of the Rasmussuen randomisation”

I don’t have a problem with the randomisation. I have a problem with a poll ignoring mobile phones, when a third of US households have abandoned landlines.

Jarrah

6 Oct 12 at 5:58 pm
You need to read your own quote again.

.

6 Oct 12 at 6:00 pm
Mobiles are ignored. Rasmussen tries to make up for that lack with an online survey. We know how reliable those are.

Jarrah

6 Oct 12 at 6:02 pm
Mobiles are ignored. Rasmussen tries to make up for that lack with an online survey. We know how reliable those are.

Yes we do know Rasmussen is reliable Jarrah.

Because he’s got the runs on the board.

Inconvenient for twits like you, I know.

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 6:05 pm
Thanks Eddystone. I was not aware of the Auctions site. I have the money, I have a friend in Melbourne fully competent to examine the P14… and the email bid forms were due in yesterday.

Bugger.

However, now I know the site exists, there is always next time!

I saw the 7.62 AIA rifles there. To be frank, the prices do not impress, and I do prefer the P14 mauser style action in a hunting rifle.

I am trained on F88 and to be frank I vastly prefer the L1A1 I originally trained on. I’d actually prefer to take an unscoped L1A1 over the F88 in the field. A second choice over the F88 would be a scoped SMLE!

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 6:06 pm
“Yes we do know Rasmussen is reliable Jarrah.

Because he’s got the runs on the board.”

He did well in 2008. He did terribly in 2010:

The 105 polls released in Senate and gubernatorial races by Rasmussen Reports and its subsidiary, Pulse Opinion Research, missed the final margin between the candidates by 5.8 points, a considerably higher figure than that achieved by most other pollsters. Some 13 of its polls missed by 10 or more points, including one in the Hawaii Senate race that missed the final margin between the candidates by 40 points, the largest error ever recorded in a general election in FiveThirtyEight’s database, which includes all polls conducted since 1998.

Moreover, Rasmussen’s polls were quite biased, overestimating the standing of the Republican candidate by almost 4 points on average. In just 12 cases, Rasmussen’s polls overestimated the margin for the Democrat by 3 or more points. But it did so for the Republican candidate in 55 cases — that is, in more than half of the polls that it issued.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/rasmussen-polls-were-biased-and-inaccurate-quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/

Jarrah

6 Oct 12 at 6:10 pm
John Fund, WSJ: America’s Insurgent Pollster

Some traditional pollsters argue otherwise, but time has shown that automated telephone technology delivers results that are just as accurate as conventional methods (as well as being far less costly). Mr. Rasmussen correctly predicted the 2004 and 2008 presidential races within a percentage point. In 2009, Mickey Kaus of Slate.com noted that Mr. Rasmussen’s final poll in the New Jersey governor’s race was “pretty damn accurate. Polls using conventional human operators tended to show [Democrat Jon] Corzine ahead. They were wrong.”

Early this year, Mr. Rasmussen delivered the first early-warning sign that Scott Brown would change the direction of American politics. A Rasmussen poll showing Mr. Brown surging and only nine points down with two weeks left to go before January’s special Senate election in Massachusetts attracted the instant attention of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel…

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 6:16 pm
Rasmussen have been pretty accurate over the last couple of cycles, so I’m not fussed. Really, Romney is cleaning up among independents and Republicans, at worst, will run a few points behind Democrats. The turnout model predicting another Leftist tidal wave is wrong.

Fisky

6 Oct 12 at 6:18 pm
Scott Rasmussen, WSJ Op-Rd November 1, 2010

A Vote Against Dems, Not for the GOP
Voters don’t want to be governed from the left, right or center. They want Washington to recognize that Americans want to govern themselves.

This pre-election op-ed by Scott Rasmussen projected that the Republicans would gain 55 or more seats in the House and end up with 48 or 49 Senate seats. Nearly final results show the Republicans ended up with more than 60 more House seats and 47 Senate seats

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 6:24 pm
“Rasmussen have been pretty accurate over the last couple of cycles, so I’m not fussed.”

He did terribly in 2010.

Jarrah

6 Oct 12 at 6:35 pm
Great article Dead Soul. I had read article discussing this point, it is great to get a research article that underlines the fact

When green turns toxic: Norwegians study Electric Vehicle life cycle

http://phys.org/news/2012-10-green-toxic-norwegians-electric-vehicle.html

Earlier this year, reports of a study of vehicle types in China concluded that electric cars have an overall impact on pollution that could be more harmful to health than conventional vehicles. The researchers in that study examined pollution in 34 Chinese cities and they found that the electricity generated by power stations to drive electric vehicles led to more fine particle emissions than petrol-powered transport. They analyzed five vehicle types—gasoline and diesel cars, diesel buses, e-bikes and e-cars.

Token

6 Oct 12 at 6:37 pm
Mobiles are ignored. Rasmussen tries to make up for that lack with an online survey. We know how reliable those are.

Explain how you have a problem with online surveys and an online survey that tries to make up for a lack of a landline, you don’t have a problem with its randomisation.

So people who have mobiles don’t use the internet?

.

6 Oct 12 at 6:38 pm
“So people who have mobiles don’t use the internet?”

Online surveys can’t reach out to people who haven’t been contacted previously. It will work off email lists, or website visitors, or both (no details are provided).

Naturally Rasmussen will try to correct for this, but it’s hard, and more art than science, just like all the different ways of determining ‘likely voters’.

Jarrah

6 Oct 12 at 6:44 pm
You might be right about the first point but you’d have to know the ins and outs of how they actually did it for that to be valid. They might get over it with brute force (sample size). They can pay for that information anyway.

more art than science

If any statistical method is “art”, it’s fucking crap.

All the modelling can be ranked if you were to see the guts of it.

.

6 Oct 12 at 6:50 pm
Well if any Cats get bored tonight, you can always sign the Alan Jones petition as Kevin Rudd. A few people have done so so far.

nilk

6 Oct 12 at 6:56 pm
If any statistical method is “art”, it’s fucking crap.

Is formulating the question statistics?

Is being able to forecast who will turn up to cast his/her ballot statistics?

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 6:58 pm
Is formulating the question statistics?

Yes and there are methodologies to do it properly, with entire books of qualitative questions and scales that are considered valid.

Is being able to forecast who will turn up to cast his/her ballot statistics?

Yes, except you only get a valid result in aggregate.

.

6 Oct 12 at 7:01 pm
Florida has a lot of electoral votes (29). It is as important as New York state.

Julian O'Dea

6 Oct 12 at 7:27 pm
Is formulating the question statistics?

Is being able to forecast who will turn up to cast his/her ballot statistics?

The answer is ‘NO’ to both questions.

Statistics are applied to the sample.

The sample isn’t derived from statistics

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 7:34 pm
There is a serious scandal relating to the BBC that is brewing.

The alleged offences are said to have been committed by Savile for decades – between the 1950s and the 1990s.

The claims put further pressure on the BBC to reveal whether it knew about the accusations at the time – and for calls for Lord Justice Leveson to investigate the corporation’s conduct.

…A detective will lead a team from the Met’s child abuse investigation command, who will contact all the alleged victims and work with the BBC.

A situation which the BBC has covered up for years. Will we see the same fury about an institution of the left that we saw about the churches?

Token

6 Oct 12 at 9:07 pm
A neat summary of the scandal at the BBC.

Token

6 Oct 12 at 9:13 pm
So will ABC News24 devote its resources to fully cover any Inquiries that might arise under Justice Leveson?

Mike of Marion

6 Oct 12 at 9:31 pm
The answer is ‘NO’ to both questions.

Statistics are applied to the sample.

The sample isn’t derived from statistics

Whatever, doctors are usually shit at quant or qual analysis, the level of analysis in medical research is laughable, and experiment design is definitely a topic in statistics.

Good on you if you wanted to show that you were good at semantics. I don’t give a fuck.

.

6 Oct 12 at 9:33 pm
Listened to the BBC today, they were interviewing a woman who was 15 at the time she was taken by this guy.

Then the panel discussed whether it was just a sign of the times.

I kinda agree with them if the girls weren’t ridiculously young.

DaveF

6 Oct 12 at 9:37 pm
experiment design is definitely a topic in statistics.

I didn’t say it wasn’t.

Give the strawman a break.

Although an important topic in any textbook of statistcs they are not statistics.

I have obtained a statistician’s advice in a study design only so I maximised the chance that I could answer the question in a manner likely to be accepted as rigorous as realistically possible.

Clinical studies ipso fact are never perfect.

They can’t be by their very nature.

That’s not the fault of medicos; that’s the nature of clinical medicine/clinical surgery

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 9:41 pm
So will ABC News24 devote its resources to fully cover any Inquiries that might arise under Justice Leveson?

LOL, I think they’re busy trying to seriously investigate the ~~Australia Day Riot~~ anything about AJ.
________________

Listened to the BBC today, they were interviewing a woman who was 15 at the time she was taken by this guy.

Then the panel discussed whether it was just a sign of the times.

For real? The BBC is still trying to cover up and ride out the scandal?

Token

6 Oct 12 at 9:57 pm
On available evidence the ABC and BBC are more likely to molest children than religious figures. They should all be executed.

Infidel Tiger

6 Oct 12 at 9:59 pm
The British Bolshevik Collective has been aiding and abetting a rockspider for decades and steering fresh meat his way?

Who the f*** do they think they are? The Australian Labor party? The Australian Bolshevik Collective??

That’s THEIR gig!

I hear there’s two new BBC/ABC joint productions in the works.

‘The Veal Humpers Roadshow’ for adults, and ‘Peddobear’s Your Special Friend’ for the moppets.

Seriously, can we de-fund these vermin now? And the genpop for Savile (who is well named). They’ll love that.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 10:07 pm
Ah, the bastard is dead. Pity.

And the BBC had known for decades.

Mk50 of Brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 10:12 pm
Yeah, BBC is on high rotation on NewsRadio on the weekend.

My favourite is the 2/3 idiots (Paulo Totoro is often invited as the European Correspondent of a Major Australian Paper) that discuss the issues of the day. All clueless but listened to for their insights as if they had just been smuggled out of Aleppo or Benghazi or had just returned from the Fukushima reactor clutching leaked documents.

It’s really feeble.

DaveF

6 Oct 12 at 10:21 pm
I’d like to throw a question out there and receive some opinions.

I believe the AGW, CC, man made catastrophe is dying as a public issue. I’m pretty sure it’s on it’s last legs.

My question is where now?

These people need another scare to move onto. Look at the anti tobacco mob, they have seamlessly moved into anti booze and anti food (check the CVs of anyone involved in these lobbies).

So where do the AGW people go? I really don’t have a good answer.

DaveF

6 Oct 12 at 10:29 pm
Dot you imbecile

Im really having to scrape the bottom of my barrel to match you insult for iunsult and I really cant be bothered exceopt to say you really are a prize bore.

Dot says
“Clinton, Reagan, Kennedy, Howard, Hawke and Keating all followed the Washington consensus to some extent and the result was high employment growth and real wages growth.”

In between this poor policy fiesta were a whole load of conservative leaders

Sure which ones have done better at managing the spectre of rising unemplyment and loss of production the US?

As for real wages growth. Most people blinked and missed it you fool exceot for the already very rich over the past two three decades
DOH.

Check the inequality measures. Everyone has been going backwards except those who should be.

None of them in power kept rising unemployment from rising. Democrat or Republican. Instead they tried to do a snowjob by suggesting NAIRU had risen and “we all have to get used to it – because its here to stay. Utter bullshit. The level of unemployment is not an uncontrollable variable in economic policy.

They (democrats and republicans) all let the doors open and let the rich lobbying pricks remove the producing heart of the US to some country where they could screw third world workers down to the bone.

Yeah its a free world and this stupidity will drag many more of us down than those boats it lifts.

Rising tide of bullshit. Not one party. BOTH. All fools.

Join the ship of fools Dot of you think its just a voting problem – if you arent already busy being the the cockswain.

I have a real problem with your low level of critical thinking.

Alice

6 Oct 12 at 10:30 pm
Obama is currently ahead by 20 points in California. You’re dreaming if you think it’s in play.

m0nty

6 Oct 12 at 10:48 pm
“Clinton, Reagan, Kennedy, Howard, Hawke and Keating all followed the Washington consensus to some extent and the result was high employment growth and real wages growth.”

In between this poor policy fiesta were a whole load of conservative leaders

Yes – Ford, Nixon, Fraser weren’t great.

I’m not a conservative you twit so I don’t give a shit.

Sure which ones have done better at managing the spectre of rising unemplyment and loss of production the US?

The ones I mentioned, fuckhead.

As for real wages growth. Most people blinked and missed it you fool exceot for the already very rich over the past two three decades
DOH.

You moron you are getting your data of a study that actually dishonestly used the data. One of fuckhead Obama’s advisers.

It is simply a lie.

Check the inequality measures. Everyone has been going backwards except those who should be.

Everyone should be going forward, you nasty sack of crap.

Even a brainless grub such as yourself should be able to figure out what these charts mean:

http://mises.org/community/forums/t/15824.aspx

None of them in power kept rising unemployment from rising. Democrat or Republican. Instead they tried to do a snowjob by suggesting NAIRU had risen and “we all have to get used to it – because its here to stay. Utter bullshit. The level of unemployment is not an uncontrollable variable in economic policy.

I know of the top of my head that Clinton saw real GDP, wages, participation, employment and productivity growth and saw unemployment and inflation fall.

You are wrong, you are stupid, you are misguided and you are unhinged.

They (democrats and republicans) all let the doors open and let the rich lobbying pricks remove the producing heart of the US to some country where they could screw third world workers down to the bone.

So – they should have capital controls and be a rooly rich country like India before 1992?

You colossally fuckbrained halfwit.

Yeah its a free world and this stupidity will drag many more of us down than those boats it lifts.

You hate freedom. But you’re a commie shithead, natch.

Join the ship of fools Dot of you think its just a voting problem – if you arent already busy being the the cockswain.

I have a real problem with your low level of critical thinking.

I’m doing postgrad econ – what are your quals? Several hits of ketamine?

.

6 Oct 12 at 10:52 pm
Obama is currently ahead by 20 points in California. You’re dreaming if you think it’s in play.

You’ll always have California, kid. The Golden State is now a disgusting fecal ridden taco stand. Good riddance to what was once the American dream writ large.

Infidel Tiger

6 Oct 12 at 10:53 pm
Steyn on Big Bird.

In Australia substitute B1 and B2. Throw Our Fran in for good measure.

2nd dover_beaches appreciation of the link at 3.39pm today too.

H B Bear

6 Oct 12 at 10:53 pm
Obama is currently ahead by 20 points in California. You’re dreaming if you think it’s in play.

So you reckon Obama will get over 60% of the vote in Cali? What do you base this on?

Kerry only won CA by 9.9 and Obama overall isn’t going well enough to be a shoe in.

.

6 Oct 12 at 10:56 pm
Looking forward to Ol’ Leatherface’s analysis of how Labor and the Handbag Hit Squad deal with Pete “The Musselman” Slipper, regardless of whatever happens to the Ashby side-show.

Hope Ol’ Leathery can squeeze it into the AbbottAbbottAbbott Hour.

H B Bear

6 Oct 12 at 11:14 pm
If they show Insiders over Christmas I’m gonna play an Abbot drinking game with it.

Abbot – two fingers.

Abbot Abbot – four fingers.

Abbot Abbot Abbot – Finish whatever drink you have in hand.

.

6 Oct 12 at 11:16 pm
Obama is currently ahead by 20 points in California. You’re dreaming if you think it’s in play.

Oh really?

I shall enjoy watching you try to type through your tears when Ogabe falls in a heap.

Romney owns the wun and nothing the MSM can try will change that.

Carpe Jugulum

6 Oct 12 at 11:18 pm
Stupid trees.

The news report was interesting.

She was impaled through the stomach, but was only treated for cuts and abrasions to her face (according to the person reporting the accident).

kae

6 Oct 12 at 11:22 pm
I did a poll in my street today…greens 0%..gillard .5% but he was only a little kid and thought she was a bit scary.Looks like Abbott in a landslide

max49

6 Oct 12 at 11:30 pm
I was surprised last week when my son saw something on TV about the carbon tax and started saying that it wasn’t really a problem because companies paid it and it was no big deal. Turns out he had remembered – at least in part – a brief explanation I had given a couple of months back as to why it was controversial, but was not as bad as Tony Abbott claimed. We did a recap on the topic again – I mentioned the cost being passed on to customers, but compensation from the government too.

I’m sure you are very proud of my parenting skills.

steve from brisbane

6 Oct 12 at 11:39 pm
I’d like to throw a question out there and receive some opinions.

I believe the AGW, CC, man made catastrophe is dying as a public issue. I’m pretty sure it’s on it’s last legs.

My question is where now?

These people need another scare to move onto. Look at the anti tobacco mob, they have seamlessly moved into anti booze and anti food (check the CVs of anyone involved in these lobbies).

So where do the AGW people go? I really don’t have a good answer.

It’s all about “sustainability” and Agenda 21.

Seriously. This drivel is dominating local government, especially here in Brisbane. Greenslime has captured local government and is pushing this stuff.

Will

6 Oct 12 at 11:48 pm
Just finished watching Inspector Morse and once again enjoying the theme music. Definitely classical. Chap called Barrington Pheloung wrote it and was in charge thereafter. All the Morse espisodes were riddled with opera and choral music. Pheloung has since had a successful career doing music for movies and TV.

Years ago, I investigated. Odd name, I thought, perhaps a Thai father. Pheloung?

He’s a European Tasmanian – Irish, in fact – whose grandfather or similar decided to change the name from Phelan. Perhaps the bookies were after him

I like his theme to Inspector Morse very much. In the modern school system, Bazza’s kids would be singled out for cultural sensitivity because their surname was ‘Pheloung’, despite 100% European ancestry.

Like most Tasmanians with talent, he left asap. He has had a successful career in Europe.

johanna

6 Oct 12 at 11:49 pm
Assuming liar’s not lying (it seems unlikely that he could actually manage to father children), liar-steve®’s son must have been responsible for some truly heinous acts in a previous life.

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 11:49 pm
mm excuse me, yes a cleansing champagne thank you, been a good day. Just popped in to check out the Cat, as usual lots of interesting remarks. For me, win, lose or draw, Romney wiped the floor with Obama, the empty suit. Poor old Michelle, up on the stage there, didnt know which one to biff, happy anniversary darling. Gooooood night folks.

delfino

6 Oct 12 at 11:51 pm
And here’s the kicker: what’s the likelihood that liar-steve®’s getting his jollies reading my last post?

JamesK

6 Oct 12 at 11:53 pm
but compensation from the government too

Where does that money come from?

Dangph

6 Oct 12 at 11:56 pm
These people need another scare to move onto.

Biodiversity is a big one – everything is dying. Over-population also -unsustainable. Over-fishing, cruelty to animals, frogs growing bigger/smaller.. etc

Lazlo

7 Oct 12 at 12:02 am
but compensation from the government too

Where does that money come from?

He’s a dullard isn’t he?

“Taxpayers getting compensation from Government”

It is a vicious, supercharged cycle of stupidity when Steve attempts economic analysis.

.

7 Oct 12 at 12:05 am
Just ignore him..

Lazlo

7 Oct 12 at 12:11 am
http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/alan-jones-loses-his-merc/story-e6frfkp9-1226489835280

A pleasing story…

Steve from brisbane

7 Oct 12 at 12:22 am
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-04/green-jones/4293938

It’s time to cultivate a new self-discipline – to restore the sense of civility and politeness that social media has stripped away, writes Jonathan Green.

Hypocritical ass.

Abu Chowdah

7 Oct 12 at 12:27 am
Wow, Alan Jones was so worth sponsorship he was loaned a car.

That’t pretty alright I reckon. They wanted their car linked to a powerful man.

Then squibbed it.

DaveF

7 Oct 12 at 12:31 am
Laslo

I figure there will be an over-arching catastrophe they could move on to.

DaveF

7 Oct 12 at 12:33 am
These people need another scare to move onto.

.

Over-population also -unsustainable

First they came for the carbon dioxide and I did nothing…

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 1:04 am
BOSSES will have to roster jobs around workers’ social lives and check that staff who yawn or daydream aren’t too tired to work safely.

Fleeced

7 Oct 12 at 1:10 am
Some recent signings at the Jones Petition:

Hugh Jarse

Mister Ed

Jesus Christ

Craig Thomson

Barack Obama

Steve

7 Oct 12 at 1:18 am
It is a vicious, supercharged cycle of stupidity when Steve attempts economic analysis.

I suggested Steve read Economics in One Lesson. I’d like to repeat that suggestion. It’s a very slim and readable book. Reading it would do wonders for his economics instincts. At the very least it would allow him to better know his enemy.

Dangph

7 Oct 12 at 1:20 am
As for real wages growth. Most people blinked and missed it you fool exceot for the already very rich over the past two three decades

I love this old canard. It’s always around in the undergrowth.

There are around 12 million illegals in the US mostly working in the bottom income quintile. In other words aggregate income in this segment expanded by around 50% accommodating them suggesting the jobs machine was hugely successful.

They also came from poor countries and therefore their employment actually reduced inequality around the world.

JC

7 Oct 12 at 1:25 am
You can make a difference! Use change.org to petition the directors at Fairfax to charge the Baron of Bullshit for publishing his columns. After all, they’re mostly just look-at-me advertorials, as Bunyip points out.

Tom

7 Oct 12 at 3:46 am
ALP-union fixer Paul Howes was such a little shit as a kid his stepfather handcuffed him to a chair and wanted to shoot him. Since the stepdad was a cop, it wasn’t an idle threat. But everything’s hunky dory now: the stepdad is suing Howes for defamation.

Tom

7 Oct 12 at 4:44 am
JOHN Laws agreed to appear on ABC-TV’s 7.30 program last week to comment on the Alan Jones controversy because he fancies host Leigh Sales:

He thinks Leigh Sales is “hot” and an “insightful interviewer”.

The ABC cut him telling Sales: “I’ll respect you in the morning” after asking if she had enjoyed herself.

He has now been invited to appear on Q&A but will do so only if the ABC comes to his apartment to film it.

Tom

7 Oct 12 at 5:05 am
Fairfax’s new zombie bumsuck in Washington rides Friday’s miracle discovery (Barry is creating jobs! Hot damn! He really is a god!) to try to smother the reality that Mitt is better for the middle class than the Magic Negro.

Romney demonstrated that when he stops pandering to the far right and starts sounding more like the Massachusetts moderate he once was, he looks a bit like a president.

From Lenin’s left flank, everything looks “far right”. You need to bookmark the stuff that’s destroying the company so you can recite it back to them.

Tom

7 Oct 12 at 5:32 am
What is going on in our High Court? Has it been adversely stacked with Labor appointees already?
Former Tamil Tigers are criminals who should be deported, not given protection visas. Boat-chasing lawyers like Mann should be charged with acting against Australia’s interests.

Blogstrop

7 Oct 12 at 6:29 am
The Great Race is today.

Bathurst 1000 – V8 Supercars – Ford v Holden – 10.15am.

Brrmm .. Brrmm.

Septimus

7 Oct 12 at 7:41 am
Blogstrop,

This disaster of a ruling would have had the High Court protecting Nazi’s at the end of WWII. For some reason, totally unrelated to any of the Nazi’s behavior, a whole bunch of people hated them in 1945 and wanted to lock them up or worse. The High Court would have us protect them.

If arch South African White Supremacist, Eugene Terrablanche is still alive and out of South African jail for trying to organise a coup in one of the so called ‘Homelands’ in South Africa, well the High Court is saying we would welcome him here. How about some of Gadaffi’s former henchmen, or Bashir al Saad’s goons? Surely they will be subject to some rough justice and will crave protection. Forget the top guys, but we will take the petty torturers and thugs because the High Court wants to run a court case for everynsingle one of them who turns up on our shores.

This decision is beyond disgusting. It shames us all as a country. The Court in open, total and abject contempt of the people it is supposed to serve.

John Comnenus

7 Oct 12 at 7:59 am
Insiders zombies: Bawwie, Karen Middleton (SBS), Denis Atkins (Cuba Courier-Mail). Token General population: Gerard Henderson.

Tom

7 Oct 12 at 8:10 am
Fairfax’s man in Jakarta doesn’t get it: he thinks terrorism is out of control in muslim Indonesia. In fact, the state has skilfully used extrajudicial executions to massively reduce the appeal of martyrdom. Tough guys are heroes and the tough guys are in Detachment 88, the counter-terrorism unit, not in some low-rent, shitkicker bomb-throwing conspiracy:

Indonesia’s prisons are a breeding ground for terrorists and so are some of the Islamic boarding schools. But, despite the ever-present threat of terrorism, the Indonesian state shows little interest in tackling the issue.
After the authoritarian and secular regime of Suharto fell in 1998, many groups that were previously repressed thrived under ”Reformasi”, Indonesia’s flowering of freedom. Among them were those groups with a radical religious agenda who wanted to replace the state of Indonesia with a caliphate under Islamist law.
Until the Bali bombing, whose death toll of 202 woke it from its torpor, the newly democratic Indonesia knew little or nothing of the growing number of deadly men in its midst.
Ten years on, Indonesian law enforcement, spearheaded by Detachment 88, the anti-terrorism police, has had great success cracking down on religiously inspired radicalism. On his recent visit to Indonesia, the Australian Defence Minister, Stephen Smith, lavished praise, saying: ”There is no country in the world that is more successful in arresting and prosecuting terrorists [than Indonesia is].”
Since the first Bali attack, Indonesia has arrested 700 people for terrorism offences and prosecuted 500.
For every 10 prosecuted, one suspected terrorist – including some of Asia’s most dangerous men – has been killed by police on the streets.
That success story, though, contains the frightening truth that, in 10 years, Indonesia has produced 500 people with a proven link to terrorism and many more who have so far gone unnoticed.

Tom

7 Oct 12 at 8:30 am
The High Court must be stacked full of pretty slow individuals who don’t understand the most obvious implications of their own decisions. One would have thought that even they might be able to work out by now that their decisions get noticed by criminals around the world. I wonder what sort of criminal notices that every alleged war criminal now gets a full blown court case, in a country they are not a citizen of, where it will be almost impossible to prove guilt and the security agency is forced to either reveal sources or not bring a case? I guess we will be getting a lot of Alawites from the Syrian regime once it starts to crumble. They will all have been shop keepers and goat herders, honest. Can’t wait til one moves into my neighborhood. It used to be the case that the High Court was respected. With this decision it has effectively be clowned itself.

John Comnenus

7 Oct 12 at 8:32 am
wow…. Gerard Henderson just blew a gasket on Insiders. He’s basically taking a scorched earth policy, laying waste to all around, telling them what he really thinks.

This could be Henderson’s last appearance on Insiders.

dd

7 Oct 12 at 8:41 am
Henderson lost his temper when the Insiders panel addressed the problem of Abbott’s “problem with women” for the 900′th time, as if it’s a fresh, new and important topic. Henderson just basically went (and I’m paraphrasing here),
“This is a load of bullshit and you guys are pathetic partisan hacks.”
He didn’t actually use those exact words but that was general upshot.

dd

7 Oct 12 at 8:45 am
Biggus Dickus just signed the Fairfax petition. How terrible of someone to do that.

boy on a bike

7 Oct 12 at 8:57 am
This could be Henderson’s last appearance on Insiders.

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 9:00 am
pretty much, Gab.

dd

7 Oct 12 at 9:03 am
DRUDGE round-up:

BOUNCE: R 49% O 47%

8-point shift for Romney in Colorado…

Romney raises $12 million in 48 hours…

OBAMA RAISES $181 MILLION IN SEPT — JUST 2% OF DONATIONS REPORTABLE…

Super PAC Donor on Obama: ‘Looks Like He Took My Million and Spent it All on Weed’…

TEAM OBAMA BLAMES JOHN KERRY FOR DEBATE LOSS…

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 9:04 am
Bob Carr BA (Hons) CWB – nothing sells to Australians ‘respect for women’ like a caucasian with an Asian wife – has just been on Sky saying Margie Abbott’s appearance proves her husband has a problem with women.

Carr employs Bob Ellis.

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 9:09 am
Tom, I hope you see that FauxFacts report for what it is.

The mentally lives in the Progressive era. This is the cadre of people who think nothing of setting up a camp for refugees on the sovereign territory of East Timor without asking. To take away a major source of protein to Indonesia based upon whim.

There us so much of the culturally imperialist in the attitude of the ~~Pro~~Regressives.

We on the Right know Indo is currently governed by adults and thus must trust they’ll be patient and wait for adults to voted in by the Australian electorate next year.

Token

7 Oct 12 at 9:10 am
The left mentally lives…

Token

7 Oct 12 at 9:11 am
Super PAC Donor on Obama: ‘Looks Like He Took My Million and Spent it All on Weed’…

LOL

Obama got trounced but in his favour he made no critical gaffes or mistakes. He merely wasn’t very good. But watch; Team Obama are panicking and fuck up the next debate completely. This idea that he must come out on the attack is going to misfire in spactacular, embarrassing, can’t-bear-to-watch-yet-can’t-look-away style.

There you go, that’s my prediction and you can all call me on it if I’m wrong.

dd

7 Oct 12 at 9:13 am
Romney just needs to say, “dude, calm down.”

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 9:15 am
I’m of the opinion, DD, Obama will do better in round 2. Team Obama will have the questions vetted beforehand and TOTUS will be there to lend a hand.

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 9:16 am
Yes they need it to be a ‘draw’ and will do whatever they can to get that. But I just don’t see it happening. But even if it does happen – which is unlikely- that just sets up the third debate for another flailing.

dd

7 Oct 12 at 9:18 am
Are you sure, Gab?

Obama at a townhall?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 9:20 am
JOHN Laws agreed to appear on ABC-TV’s 7.30 program last week to comment on the Alan Jones controversy because he fancies host Leigh Sales:

He thinks Leigh Sales is “hot” and an “insightful interviewer”.

The ABC cut him telling Sales: “I’ll respect you in the morning” after asking if she had enjoyed herself.

He has now been invited to appear on Q&A but will do so only if the ABC comes to his apartment to film it.

Christ. That’s as nearly as funny when Hawke tried to peck cute Kristina on the cheek and she jerked backwards like she’d just seen a corpse.

.

7 Oct 12 at 9:20 am
that just sets up the third debate for another flailing.

I agree. The final debate is the most important one as it’s the one that will leave the lasting impression before voting day. Recency and all that.

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 9:21 am
Please introduce it to Australia – just so we can enjoy the Outrageous Outrage!

A German liquor manufacturer has released a special edition line of rum, vodka and whisky, which it guarantees to have been poured over a sexy model’s bare breasts before it’s bottled.

Not convinced? G Spirits said every bottle comes with the model’s signature on a certificate of authenticity and a photo of the bombshell.

“To create the perfect taste we let every single drop of our spirits run over the breasts of a special type of woman,” the G Spirits website says.

Buy booze poured over boobs.

Maybe a local maker can hire a local lass for something similar:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5378/1820uyte75859597.jpg

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 9:25 am
The sad thing is that the Democrats think foreign policy is Obama’s strong suit. They’re actually looking forward to that one. It brings a tear to my eye.

dd

7 Oct 12 at 9:26 am
Really, CL? On a Sunday morning you just had to assault us with that picture?!

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 9:27 am
The milk in my coffee has just curdled.

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 9:28 am
Great quote from the brilliant Andrew Klavan over at Bolt’s. The idea of Obama as the left’s dress-up doll is perhaps the most insightful and hilarious analogy ever conceived to describe this appalling fraud.

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 9:28 am
C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 9:29 am
Please introduce it to Australia – just so we can enjoy the Outrageous Outrage!

A German liquor manufacturer has released a special edition line of rum, vodka and whisky, which it guarantees to have been poured over a sexy model’s bare breasts before it’s bottled.

Not convinced? G Spirits said every bottle comes with the model’s signature on a certificate of authenticity and a photo of the bombshell.

“To create the perfect taste we let every single drop of our spirits run over the breasts of a special type of woman,” the G Spirits website says.

Buy booze poured over boobs.

Maybe a local maker can hire a local lass for something similar:

is this even hygenic?

Will

7 Oct 12 at 9:35 am
I have done the research, reviewed the data and after a considered analysis, I have decided that Evelin Aubert can defile my vodka/scotch and turn it into boobscotch. I’ll allow that. I’m such a gregarious character I’ll even let her do that in person.

I physiologically needed to do that after C.L started my day with a Ludovico technique style of shock therapy. I thought I’d never like cupcakes again.

It was for my own good, he said.

.

7 Oct 12 at 9:44 am
Will, it’s alcohol. Of course it’s hygienic.

nilk

7 Oct 12 at 9:48 am
The NBN is a pathetic joke:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/opinion/nbn-co-fails-on-target-rollout/story-e6frgd0x-1226444256903

When is the next report out?

.

7 Oct 12 at 9:51 am
Paul Bongiorno asked Jason Clare on Meet The Press [paraphrased] if the High Court’s decision means that jihadists would be allowed into the community. Clare’s response was ‘no’. The follow-up question should have been ‘well, what does the HC’s decision now mean’ to those deemed a national security risk by ASIO? There was no follow-up question, of course, the subject matter was simply changed.
The TV was turned off.

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 9:52 am
For a moment there I thought Bongiorno had returned to journalism and given up knee padding.

.

7 Oct 12 at 9:54 am
Clare did say the ‘incentives [to come here by boat] had to be removed’. Honestly, the bare-faced hypocrisy is alarming. Do these people ever listen to what they say?

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 9:56 am
“A German liquor manufacturer has released a special edition line of rum, vodka and whisky, which it guarantees to have been poured over a sexy model’s bare breasts before it’s bottled.”

Meh. Here’s a place that goes further (albeit tongue-in-cheek).

http://www.whitepowermilk.com/

Milk that may appear by smell to be perfectly consumable (even organic), can contain contaminants such as suspended particles, parasites, bacteria, viruses, and fungi. Through extensive recruitment within the upper echelons of society, we deliver the finest milk purified in a way only we can. Our secret ingredient is in the process through which rich, beautiful, white girls gargle your milk to absolute perfection. It’s her touch that sets us far above the rest. Our diverse selection includes West Coast, The South, New England, New York, and London. Each of the carefully selected girls offer subtle differences of background, yet what they share is most important. All are waiting to clean your milk with their mouths. That is our promise to you!

To be eligible to filter White Power Milk, each white girl must be accredited as socially elite and deemed physically in superb health. However, rarely is it necessary to involve interviews or doctors. When we find the right girl from the right family, we just know.

Jarrah

7 Oct 12 at 9:58 am
Abbott “fair game” when it comes to personal attcks on him by Labor, sez Roxon.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/abbott-still-fair-game-labor-says/story-e6frfku9-1226490025046

But Gillard isn’t ‘fair game’ because ~~she’s~~ the lying slapper is a ~~woman~~ female.

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 10:08 am
That’s flagrant false advertising. They are probably trust fund kiddies, not “wealthy”.

Do they have a refund policy?

.

7 Oct 12 at 10:09 am
The way to attack Roxon is basically to spam her. She is above her station and ken.

SLAAP the Attorney General? Yep I reckon. She bungled the Ashby deal.

Mc Clelland, our next ALP Governor General, and Kathy Jackson, our next ALP PM, must be pissing themselves in hysterical laughter. Every cock up she makes is a treat in itself.

.

7 Oct 12 at 10:12 am
Presumably Ol’ Leathery asked Nanny Roxon why she should remain Attorney General after a Federal Court judge felt it necessary to make a statement in open court that the Speaker Pete “The Musselman” Slipper was not being favored by allowing his Comcar into the court basement car park.

H B Bear

7 Oct 12 at 10:16 am
Shockingly bad quality rugby game on at the moment. Fumbles every minute.

m0nty

7 Oct 12 at 10:20 am
Well thanks for bringing that to our attention monty.

The Wallabies may have a decent goal kicker at last.

.

7 Oct 12 at 10:26 am
Australian media are still making asses of themselves in the Hague Convention case
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/sisters-at-centre-of-custody-dispute-in-traumatic-scenes-at-fathers-italian-villa/story-e6freon6-1226489984517

val majkus

7 Oct 12 at 10:28 am
Chris Matthews Taken Away In A Straight Jacket

LOL

Alex Pundit

7 Oct 12 at 10:29 am
[Roxon] said he routinely turned his back on her in parliament…

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/07/08/2481977/ipad-art-wide-parliament-420×0.jpg

Gab – email it to Bolt.

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 10:30 am
[Roxon] said he routinely turned his back on her in parliament…

Probably because it would be unparliamentary to throw up, you hideous greasy unkempt fascist beast.

Infidel Tiger

7 Oct 12 at 10:33 am
Modern Australian feminists…

Running to reporters: “He was mean to me.”

Unfit for high office.

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 10:36 am
As California goes so goes America, so goes leftism.

NYT: California Struggles With High Gas Prices

Drivers in Southern California awoke Friday to find that their gasoline prices had spiked by nearly 20 cents a gallon overnight as a result of fuel shortages caused by a series of refinery disruptions in recent weeks.

Some gas stations around the Los Angeles area were forced to shut off their pumps because of rationing by suppliers, and they displayed makeshift signs explaining that the shortages were not their fault. Drivers formed long lines at stations that did have gas, with some stations raising prices to more than $5 a gallon for regular gasoline.

“What are they doing to us?” said Marilyn Tucker, a FedEx employee, as she stopped pumping at a central Los Angeles gas station at $37, well before the tank of her sedan was full. “It’s just ridiculous.”

JamesK

7 Oct 12 at 10:51 am
Thanks for the pic, CL. Have posted it to his blog.

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 10:55 am
Dot says with great bravado
“I’m doing postgrad econ – what are your quals? Several hits of ketamine?”

No, beginner. Ive done postgrad econ and Ive been studying and teaching econ since before you were likely born you little prat.

But at least you are studying it.

I hope you learn something smartarse.

Alice

7 Oct 12 at 10:57 am
If you want to see why some call Frank Luntz a genius watch this aggressive interview by Bill Maher:

Pollster Frank Luntz on HBO’s “Real Time” with Bill Maher on October 5, 2012.

I was astonished that Snowcone had him on Lateline a few weeks ago.

JamesK

7 Oct 12 at 10:57 am
They will publish the vilest of comments on that Jones Petition thing. I should know because I am responsible for some of them.

They should be banned.

Where are Conroy and Roxon on this?

PS BOAB re Biggus Dickus, Piss funny. Respect.

Steve

7 Oct 12 at 10:58 am
Buy booze poured over boobs.

I think I will keep very quiet about this one chez nous, in case Da Hairy Ape gets ideas about bottling a personalised home brew.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

7 Oct 12 at 10:59 am
Ms Roxon says the government won’t back down in its criticism of Mr Abbott, who she maintains has an “issue with capable women”.

Huh? Who are these capable women she is talking about?

Dangph

7 Oct 12 at 10:59 am
No, beginner. Ive done postgrad econ and Ive been studying and teaching econ since before you were likely born you little prat.

Was Wayne Swan one of your students?

Infidel Tiger

7 Oct 12 at 11:01 am
“What are they doing to us?” said Marilyn Tucker, a FedEx employee, as she stopped pumping at a central Los Angeles gas station at $37, well before the tank of her sedan was full. “It’s just ridiculous.”

Please, JamesK, don’t remind me how cheap petrol still is in the States: our 38 cents per litre excise (excluding the 10% GST on top) is about $1.70 per gallon — nearly half the US pump price, which is currently about 85 cents per litre, compared with our price gouge of $1.30-$1.50.

Tom

7 Oct 12 at 11:09 am
Buy booze poured over boobs.

Maybe a local maker can hire a local lass for something similar:

Oh thanks a million for the link C.L., now I want to throw up!

Each time I see Comrade Nanny Roxoff I see the need for a high pressure hose down and lots of delousing powder.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

7 Oct 12 at 11:10 am
Israeli air force shoots down drone aircraft

Israeli parliament member Miri Regev, a former chief spokesman of the military, wrote on Twitter it was an “Iranian drone launched by Hezbollah”, referring to the Lebanese Shi’ite group that fought a war with Israel in 2006.

Defence officials would not confirm Hezbollah’s connection to the drone.

On at least one occasion, Iranian-backed Hezbollah has launched a drone into Israel. And in 2010, an Israeli warplane shot down an apparently unmanned balloon in the Negev near the country’s Dimona nuclear reactor.

The Israeli military released a 10-second video clip of what it said was Saturday’s mid-air interception. In the video, a small, unidentified aircraft is seen moments before being destroyed by a missile fired from a fighter jet.

JamesK

7 Oct 12 at 11:13 am
IT, I think we’re meant to think Alice has commonsense because she has studied enough economics to make her a dangerous lunatic. Because Ross Garnaut. Need I say more?

Tom

7 Oct 12 at 11:15 am
PS BOAB re Biggus Dickus, Piss funny. Respect.

At risk of further lowering the tone of this thread, is his wifey Incontinentia up there yet? If not, someone with a spare email address might rectify thata.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

7 Oct 12 at 11:19 am
- drop the a on that. I hate it how these spare letters fly around and land like mozzies.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

7 Oct 12 at 11:21 am
an “issue with capable women”.

So Margey isn’t capable? How sexist is that?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

7 Oct 12 at 11:23 am
Need I say more?

Because Ross Gittins.

Tom

7 Oct 12 at 11:24 am
So Margey isn’t capable? How sexist is that?

Roxoff and Pliberjerk said Abbott was intimidated by capable women.

The obvious corollary was that his wife, his Deputy and his Chief-of-Staff were not “capable”

That was the first thing I thought when I heard the handbag childless leftist brigade say that.

Why did the media choose to ignore that overt bigotry by the leftist handbag attack dogs?

JamesK

7 Oct 12 at 11:31 am
Lizzie, you don’t need a real email address. I have been making them up. It accepts everything.

Have a go, It’s fun!

Steve

7 Oct 12 at 11:33 am
No, beginner. Ive done postgrad econ and Ive been studying and teaching econ since before you were likely born you little prat.

Sure Alice. That’s why you can’t understand why falling unemployment, rising participation rates and rising real wages are good for society.

You are just an unhinged bullshit artist.

You’ve been teaching econ since before the 1980s

So you must be a prof. by now. Are there any econ Prof’s in Australia called Alice?

You were born in 1957 weren’t you? Any female economics academics born in 1957 in Australia? named Alice?

No. You are a wilfully ignorant bullshit artist that wants to justify her larceny and graft under the gusie of “equity”.

Piss off you old bludger.

.

7 Oct 12 at 11:34 am
Ive done postgrad econ…

Betcha any money this was an Hons in ‘political economy’ somewhere. Thesis title: Abbott’s Speedos: Charting The Nexus Between Groin Hubris and Stimulus Scepticism Following The GFC.

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 11:44 am
Journalism:

Liberals should turn to Turnbull.

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 11:46 am
Of course teh Left want Turnbull as Liberal leader. He’d take them to a resounding loss against Labor at the next election.

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 11:53 am
Hey, fulminators over the HC decision on refugees and security issues.

They were correctly interpreting the Migration Act, as agreed by Parliament. Do you think that judges should just make stuff up?

If there is a security threat, it is down to gutless and/or lazy politicians who don’t take the implications into account when they put up their hand for legislation.

johanna

7 Oct 12 at 12:02 pm
All of the left’s tricks are so laughably dated now. We saw the upshot of the lameness in Queensland and at the presidential debate. They’re just not working any more. One of the classic oldies is to shower love and praise on which ever prominent alternative is in the shadows – hailing him as the ‘true,’ ‘moderate’ and ‘popular’ choice (as against the evil incumbent). When and if the alternave becomes the leader, repeat, rinse etc. And in fact this is what happened with Turnbull. When he was Liberal leader, the love media targeted him as unpopular, ‘rich,’ ‘out of touch,’ ‘arrogant’ and so on.

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 12:03 pm
One of the classic oldies is to shower love and praise on which ever prominent alternative is in the shadows

They also do that to demonstrate how they transcend partisan politics, how they can’t be pinned down with simple labels of left or right, how complex and sexy they are.

Dangph

7 Oct 12 at 12:25 pm
Johanna,
We are under no obligation to offer a trial to a non citizen who has an adverse security finding made against them. The only people who believe that are judges.

What they are saying is that you can’t detain a war criminal fleeing persecution. Here’s a hot tip for you and the HC – when vicious regimes fall, all the tinpot thugs, murders, torturers, war criminals and terrorists attached to regime ARE absolutely in danger of persecution at the hands of those they once tormented. That doesn’t mean we should offer such odious thugs refuge here. Only lawyers and the HC think that.

I wonder why The HC thinks the Parliament made the need for ‘refugees’ to pass a security assessment? Oh, that’s right, not to protect the public, no it was so lawyers and courts could engage in endless and pointless legal circuses. I am sure that is what parliament meant.

Next cab off the idiot HC ranks will be gay marriage. The argument is that the law says that marriage is between a man and a woman, but it doesn’t specifically say not between a man and a man or a woman and a woman. The greatest simpleton can see the failure of that logic, hence the HC will find a way to legislate from the bench against the specific legislation put forward by Parliament, where laws are supposedly made under the Westminster system.

John Comnenus

7 Oct 12 at 12:45 pm
We are under no obligation to offer a trial to a non citizen who has an adverse security finding made against them. The only people who believe that are judges.

Shouldn’t we?

This doesn’t stop them from being hunted down by a legitimate Government in their former territory hunting them down for a judicial trial and execution later on.

Doesn’t it? Can’t they be extradited? Say the Vietnamese regime fell. They couldn’t claim a capital trail was “persecution” could they?

As for gay marriage, if what you have described is the basis of the case, that is a silly argument and the court does not have that power.

By that virtue tax law doesn’t say I’m not a sovereign citizen and a wizard and I can overrule and ignore the Tax Commissioner (who is a mere sorcerer) and the ATO rules…thus I should pay no tax.

.

7 Oct 12 at 12:52 pm
Oh dear, Alice has kicked the hornets nest of questioning dot’s (self assessed) vast intellect and education!

SteveC

7 Oct 12 at 1:03 pm
Steve

There are plenty of people smarter than me, I have massive respect for and I am in awe of some of the people I have worked with in the private sector, as a volunteer and as an academic.

You and Alice are excluded from those groups. I am your superior, get over it.

In fact, most people who have a job and pay their bills are superior to you.

You’re supporting Alice the lobotomised fruitcake with her made up career and quals? Good work. We finally know the magnitude of your fuck-brained idiocy.

.

7 Oct 12 at 1:10 pm
Dot, I might believe your bullshit self aggrandisment when you post the answers to your own “survey”. In the meantime I’ll stick to my assumption that your brilliance is all in your imagination.

SteveC

7 Oct 12 at 1:13 pm
Israeli air force shoots down drone aircraft

Was it one of Obama’s?

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 1:14 pm
A know-nothing nobody from nowhere knows more about the Liberal Party than the Liberal Party:

Abbott has proved to be a most effective Leader of the Opposition and it might be asked why the Liberal Party would want to replace him. The answer is that his era has passed. This will become more apparent as time goes on.

The polls show that, were an election to be held today, Abbott would win a comfortable majority.

But the election is some time in the future and it is future-thinking policies that Abbott lacks. His 1950s thinking just won’t do in the second decade of the 21st century.

If Liberal Party members come to recognise this and turn to Turnbull, their election victory will be assured.

The conceit! The endumbenness! How do you stay sane in that newspaper monopoly (that no-one reads) shithole, Rabz? (H/T CL)

Tom

7 Oct 12 at 1:14 pm
Empty chair – a cruel but apt variation of the theme:

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz100612dAPR20121005014512.jpg

(From one of the other threads).

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 1:22 pm
The answers are “no” to anything that would embarrass a left winger as a sociopathic fuckwit if they said yes – so typically they dodged by pleading the fifth or played dumb – or just acted as normal.

“Duh if you answer a survey you’re not stupid”

You’re not a man, you are a fucking child.

The point of the survey was to call on the so called “honest broker” bullshit of left wingers such as yourself and the creepy ‘Xervam’.

It worked. Suck it up, you are the worst street team troll ever.

Revel in your delusional intellectual superiority by reading all of those non existent papers that Alice has never published.

.

7 Oct 12 at 1:23 pm
A childish, stupid country run by sour adolescent girls…

It’s come to this:

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/history_erased/

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 1:24 pm
“A childish, stupid country run by sour adolescent girls…

It’s come to this:”

I’ve only just been home long enough to switch on to this fabulous event, a lifetime annual feature for blokes my age.

Peter Brock is a bloke who achieved mightily. The people demanding this stupid stuff give me the ships.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

7 Oct 12 at 1:32 pm
You can’t be serious. They censored out Marlboro?

.

7 Oct 12 at 1:33 pm
Sinc, comment has disappeared. Grateful if you could check – thanks – J

johanna

7 Oct 12 at 1:43 pm
Channel Nine: now mediating in custody disputes:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8544069

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 1:52 pm
His 1950s thinking just won’t do in the second decade of the 21st century.

The denigration of the 50′s needs to end. From fashion to personal liberty, it spanked the pants off the crude days we currently inhabit.

But yes, nice to see the lefties still pretending they’ll vote for Turnbull. The same things the American Left throws at Mitt Romney and his wealth now were the same things our antipodean Left hurled at Turnbull when he led the Libs. No one should fall for the tricks of the vermin at the ABC and Fauxfacts.

Feral Abacus

7 Oct 12 at 1:56 pm
So dot, I’ll take these as the answers to some of your survey:

What are your credentials? No (I guess that means none)
How old are you? No – (means you don’t want to answer?)
Do you minimise your taxes? No
Have you even been responsible for the budget of your own household? No
Have you maintained a household budget without receiving government money? No
Do you work for the Government? No (aren’t you a lecturer? – who pays your salary?)
Have you ever been responsible for a budget larger than your own household? No
Have you named any of your children after any 20th century dictators or communist militia leaders? No

Doesn’t look very impressive to me. You sound like a government leech.

SteveC

7 Oct 12 at 2:11 pm
Wow, 2GB will stop running ads on Alan Jones program!

Macquarie Radio Network executive chairman Russell Tate said “the nature, tone and volume of the reaction to Jones’ remarks, and in particular the threats being made through social media to companies advertising in Jones’ program and the disruption being caused to their businesses, have made it necessary for MRN to call some ‘time out’.”

Crickey I never saw that coming. Those clever bastards are opening things up to get the old advertisers back on board.

DaveF

7 Oct 12 at 2:19 pm
Wrong, fuckhead. You lose.

.

7 Oct 12 at 2:19 pm
Your failure to answer the questions leaves me to assume the answers above are correct.

SteveC

7 Oct 12 at 2:22 pm
For all the talk of the ’1950s’ that gets around, it’s the Labor party that most wants 1950s policies re-implemented.

They’re the ones who want to rule exports and imports with a mercantilist tight fist. They’re the ones who want unions running everything. They’re the ones who still think that socialism is a valid way of organising a government.

1950s unionism is what took the UK from economic powerhouse to crumbling post-industrial toilet. The seeds of the destruction in the 1970s were all sown in the 1950s. While they unionised and choked out private investment, the Japanese went the other way and ended up overtaking the UK easily for productivity and output. Incidentally the brain-damaged unionists currently brandishing their foul mouths at construction sites and airports around Australia are all schooled in this 1950s adverserial union school. You can pick them out by their thick accents and bad teeth.

As usual with the left, to find out what they’re guilty of, see what they’re accusing someone else of.

brc

7 Oct 12 at 2:25 pm
Your failure to answer the questions leaves me to assume the answers above are correct.

You also believe in Alice’s made up career. QED.

.

7 Oct 12 at 2:33 pm
“.” from another thread

I want to see some absolutely SLAM the NBN.

What? Malcolm do his job?
Whilst we’re talking wishes, I’d like to see Matias Cormann run for a WA seat and be made treasurer in the Abbott Government.

Can’t think of a (potentially) better one ( saying Costello is cheating )

jumpnmcar

7 Oct 12 at 2:35 pm
As opposed to dot’s made up career?

SteveC

7 Oct 12 at 2:36 pm
Jesus Christ you’re an idiot. A few people here have met me from this forum in real life.

.

7 Oct 12 at 2:40 pm
Wow, 2GB will stop running ads on Alan Jones program!

In other words, they only had a handful of advertisers left who added up to bugger all revenue anyway, so they’re desperately trying to pretend it’s their own decision not to run ads on his show.

m0nty

7 Oct 12 at 2:41 pm
‘Aboriginal artist’ in the news.

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 2:46 pm
m0nster, good to see you again.
Now, tell me about how your pillow biting, mentally tough footy team went last weekend.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

7 Oct 12 at 2:54 pm
monty

Do you reckon he’ll lose his advertisers forever?

.

7 Oct 12 at 2:54 pm
m0nty, oh m0nty! Come out and play m0nty.
I really wish that you felt the same amount of shame about your politicians of choice as you obviously feel about your fragile footy team.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

7 Oct 12 at 3:01 pm
ALP-aligned WWF: All fish for Australians should be caught on rods and reels only.

C.L.

7 Oct 12 at 3:02 pm
C.L.,

I’m darker than that bloke and I have a moontan.

If you have red hair and freckles and get Australia Council grants, you are an imperialist, not a conquered person.

Australia was taken by the British by force or the threat of force from all other claimants?

Thanks Jason Wing. I really needed that refresher from primary school history.

.

7 Oct 12 at 3:04 pm
All fish for Australians should be caught on rods and reels only.

Mrs Smith: “Kilo of snapper please, Frank.”

Frank Monger: “There you go Mrs Smith. That’ll be $459.”

Infidel Tiger

7 Oct 12 at 3:06 pm
monty

Do you reckon he’ll lose his advertisers forever?

Probably not. But the damage to his rep has been done. It’s not necessary to run him out of town. Just convince the pollies to ignore him.

m0nty

7 Oct 12 at 3:07 pm
I believe 2GB will run no ads for a week or so and announce Jones has been punished enough. Then all the cancelled advertisers will agree and, bingo, back to where we were a week ago.

DaveF

7 Oct 12 at 3:07 pm
@CL I’m happy about that ruling. I welcome the introduction of rod&reel fishing.

It’s how I eat my seafood anyway, and when the punters are paying $50/kilo for garfish, I’ll be dining like a king. Friends will come around and marvel at my pan fried mackerel with sweet chilli dressing.

When they’re paying $100 for a feed of fish and chips, someone will twig that perhaps listening to the ‘nviramentalists isn’t always a good outcome.

My sincerest wish would be for 12 months of Greens policies adoption, to see how the Australian people really think of them. Sure, it would cause widespread problems, but think of it like a ‘Brewsters Millions‘ solution. The payoff in the long run would be worth the short term pain.

brc

7 Oct 12 at 3:11 pm
Really? How are they going to catch herring? What about the inland operators who catch carp like KC Fisheries or the producers of Charlie Carp?

We’ve got to preserve the carp now? Good call, Greenies!

The only thing this makes sense for is Tuna and other game fish.

It is like that chick is a Martian and is unaware of fishery quotas etc.

How is she going to catch prawns? Bait up a pilchard on a gang hook?

What an incredibly stupid way out of her depth.

She has got everything wrong. The super trawler decision was uneconomic and worse for the environment. The reason why we import tuna is because we shut down out responsible fisheries and have to import from unsustainable, poor practice ones.

What an incredibly stupid, misanthropic woman.

.

7 Oct 12 at 3:11 pm
A few people here have met me from this forum in real life.

I hope they weren’t burned by the sun shining out your arse.

SteveC

7 Oct 12 at 3:11 pm
Just convince the pollies to ignore him.

What a moron. The politicians don’t listen to him, the people do.

I can see how a lefist ‘all decisions must come from politburo central, people have no brain and no voice’ would come to the conclusion that Tony Abbott tunes into Jones to get his policy ideas. Sometimes people leave spectral signatures of their deeply flawed thought process, and that one was like the southern aurora.

brc

7 Oct 12 at 3:13 pm
I hope they weren’t burned by the sun shining out your arse.

They were showered with rose petal speckled radiance and rivers flowed with chocolate, the roads were paved with gold and children sang in the street.

You really hate someone who is proud of their achievements.

You’re a loser, basically.

.

7 Oct 12 at 3:16 pm
No brc, I’m not saying Abbott gets ideas from Jones. I’m saying that pollies treat Jones as if he’s a major conduit to the general public, when the reality is that his audience is dyed-in-the-wool aged Liberal voters. That is what should stop: pandering to the extreme Jones worldview.

m0nty

7 Oct 12 at 3:18 pm
From CLs link

A crucial aspect of sustainable development, which Ms Kakabadse will be promoting during her visit, is conservation in the Coral Triangle - home to 76 per cent of the world’s coral species.

LOL
Of those, %90 you can’t get anywhere near with a trawler.
And no commercial reef fishermen use a rod and real, it’s only hand line with a bit of trolling ( no, not what M0nty does), Yolander would know this if she had a clue.
And the super trawler only targets pelagics

jumpnmcar

7 Oct 12 at 3:23 pm
Perhaps it would be best for Alan JOnes to resign. He would be snapped up by another station and take his huge 2GB audience with him, but leave the old advertisers who boycotted him behind. Seems a sensible way to separate it out.

candy

7 Oct 12 at 3:23 pm
The super trawler decision was uneconomic and worse for the environment. The reason why we import tuna is because we shut down out responsible fisheries and have to import from unsustainable, poor practice ones.

http://www.rightpulse.com/archives/37133

All fish for Australians should be caught on rods and reels only.

Baby steps.

http://www.flyfishingupdates.com/2011/03/spotted-on-hoddle-st.html

Ivan Denisovich

7 Oct 12 at 3:24 pm
“when the reality is that his audience is dyed-in-the-wool aged Liberal voters.”

So mUttly, why is it Roxon failed to rule out that she would no longer appear on his show?

DavidJ

7 Oct 12 at 3:27 pm
Perhaps it would be best for Alan JOnes to resign. he’d better get rid of his stake in 2GB then. apparently he has 20% ownership in 2GB but I heard that from a Labor pollie so it’s probably a lie.

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 3:31 pm
The 20% figure is not right, Macquarie’s share register and board is dominated by Singo and his mates but they have been giving Jones enough options (4M) to make him fourth largest shareholder (among about 80M shares, i.e. 5%). Macquarie has had a poor time of it this year with the abject failure of MTR.

m0nty

7 Oct 12 at 4:00 pm
Monty, as usual you’re talking absolute bullshit. The left has not and will not destroy Alan Jones. He is the most powerful broadcaster in Australia because he controls the biggest 40-60 demographic in Australia (syndicated nationally). None of the feral fuckwits who are complaining about him listen to him. Executive chairman if MRN, Russell Tate, issued a statement today that said:

“Although the remarks were not made on 2GB, our position from the outset has been that a personal, unconditional apology was a necessary and appropriate response. I encouraged Alan to repeat the apology on 2GB when he first returned to air last Tuesday morning following his media conference. His apology was unambiguous and unconditional. He has revisited his apology many times in subsequent broadcasts.

“Alan Jones’ audience, those who listen regularly to his program, also agree that his remarks were unacceptable. From research we have conducted over this weekend with them, it is also clear though the great majority acknowledge his apology and have not significantly changed their attitude towards the Alan Jones Breakfast Show.

“Importantly, nor is there any indication from regular listeners that their attitudes towards companies advertising in the program has changed adversely.

“Since we now know these things to be fact, we have to conclude that the avalanche of telephone, email and facebook demands to our advertisers to “boycott” the Alan Jones Breakfast Show, and the threats to destroy their businesses if they don’t comply, are coming almost entirely from people who do not listen to Alan Jones or 2GB at all – probably never have done and never will.

“Now in Australia these people of course have the right to express their views to anybody who wants to listen, about any subject they want, including Alan Jones and his radio show. They also have the right and plenty of choice; freedom of choice, to listen to any of the hundreds, in this digital age, thousands of radio programs available to them.

“What they do not have the right to do is on the one hand decide for our listeners who and what they are going to hear on the radio station they choose to listen to, and on the other hand decide for Australian based companies which media outlets they will or won’t use to advertise their products and services. They do not have the right to interfere with freedom of choice and they do not have the right to attempt to censor – not Alan Jones, not this radio network, not the people who choose to listen to it and not the companies who choose to advertise on it.

“What we are seeing here is 21st Century censorship, via cyber-bullying.

A few thousand feral extremists organising Facebook pages can’t hurt Jones. The hysteria will soon die. That is because the advertisers that buy time on Jones’ program still get the same value for money because they still get the same audience. If anything, people who listen to Jones are now more determined to support those companies because of the ferals’ attempt to damage them and silence Jones.

Jenna Price, who set up the Facebook page Destroy the Joint welcomed the announcement by Macquarie Radio Network on that it was temporarily suspending all advertising on Alan Jones’ 2GB breakfast show.

“We are thrilled with the reaction, but you can’t think that this is going to fix the problem,” she told AAP on Sunday.

“I’m not a person who wants to sack Alan Jones. I want to re-educate Alan Jones.”

Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame, you trollope. People in the real world don’t think like you and never will. We will soon tip your skinny white ass back into obscurity with all the other Greens Party and GetUp thugs who are trying to destroy the country.

The only thing you should be entitled to is teargas — lots of it and regularly.

Tom

7 Oct 12 at 4:31 pm
and on the other hand decide for Australian based companies which media outlets they will or won’t use to advertise their products and services

But they do have every right to boycott the prodcuts of those companies. The advertisers simply have to decide which market segment is more important to them, the imbeciles who listen to Jones, or the general population.

SteveC

7 Oct 12 at 4:45 pm
And another thing ( said with index finger pointing upward )
I live in Nth QLD, the countries heartland of conservative redneckery and we have NO conservative radio shock jocks.
It’s an outrage i tells ya.

jumpnmcar

7 Oct 12 at 4:48 pm
trollope?

SteveC

7 Oct 12 at 4:48 pm
dagnamit too.

jumpnmcar

7 Oct 12 at 4:50 pm
trollope?

A keyboard instrument resembling an organ but with the notes produced by steam whistles, used chiefly on showboats and in traveling fairs.

Now, Fuck off.

Steve

7 Oct 12 at 4:54 pm
That business of the WWF wanting Australian Fishing to be done only with rod and reel:
Apart from the own goal of increasing demand for imported fish from regimes that don’t give a toss what WWF think, does anyone seriously doubt that the subsequent step will be about establishing green zones in every estuary and finally, preventing animal cruelty by banning fish hooks?

Entropy

7 Oct 12 at 5:26 pm
When the Jones advertisers recover from the left’s stampede tactics, they will be able to do some qualitative market testing and they will find that, not only have the ferals never listened to Jones, they also by and large don’t buy the products they’re advertising on the Jones show. In other words, it has been a campaign of intimidation based on bluff with next to no real consumer dollars withdrawn from these companies’ products and markets. It’s all piss and wind, but it worked initially because the companies had never seen personal media manipulated in this way. These are not regular middle class people trying this on: they are political extremists. Once again it’s the left behaving like arseholes and it will create even more blowback against Labor and the Greens. The attempt to manipulate public opinion and silence a government critic will be seen in the next few weeks out in the suburbs for exactly what it is. Never forget for a minute, Dogshit’s Best Friend, you live on the fruitcake fringes and don’t represent the middle class.

Tom

7 Oct 12 at 5:27 pm
The instrument is a Steam Calliope, not Trollope.
But with the Labor party and the left generally it’s hard to know who’s blowing what up whom.

blogstrop

7 Oct 12 at 5:39 pm
Buy booze poured over boobs.

I’ll ‘ave mine poured over this young lass’s boosage, thanks, Squire!

Rabz

7 Oct 12 at 6:00 pm
Really Tom? Have you looked at the list of advertisers?
Slater & Gordon Lawyers, McDonalds, Booktopia, NIB, Pestrol, QBE, BoysTown, Anglican Retirement Villages, Chemists’ Own, Oporto, Guardian Funerals, Foxtel, McDonalds, NRMA, Mazda, Harvey Norman, Woolworths, Coles, Big W, Bing Lee, Challenger, Dilmah, Mercedes Benz, Freedom Furniture, Telstra 24/7, Lexus Parramatta, Commonwealth Bank Women in Focus, Australian International Motor Show, Slater & Gordon, Ford, 7-Eleven, Hyundai, Turner & Freeman Lawyers, Momentum Energy ,Sydney Symphony Orchestra, Geeks to You, State Custodians Mortgage Company, Grace Removals, John Oxley Motors, Toyota, Westend Mazda, Jetset Travel, Sydney City – Opel, Cruisescene, 2nds World, Deakin Univeristy, RSVP, Lite n’ Easy, Kathmandu, Gold Coast Theme Parks, Yellow Pages, White Pages, Hyundai, Honda, Blackmores, Thrifty Link, Ozforex, Foxtel and Medibank have pulled advertisements.

SteveC

7 Oct 12 at 6:00 pm
Have you looked at the list of advertisers?

Yep – as pointed out a few days ago, green left weekly has hasn’t swum in rivers of gold like this, evah!

FFS.

Rabz

7 Oct 12 at 6:06 pm
The list of advertisers is a list of ordinary companies trying to get themselves out of the limelight.

They’ll be back. In 6 months time this will just be background noise on the Alan Jones wikipedia entry.

The number of people who will actually boycott an advertiser because of the comments not even made on the radio station – well, they wouldn’t fill the average woolworths trolley bay.

One of the people I’ve seen make the most online noise about this is a young relative of mine. Her disposable income is about -4000 per year, as she’s a student and currently neck deep in wymmyns issues. Hardly about to buy a honda or fill the house with harvey norman goods. By the time matures and decides to buy said honda and whitegoods, she’ll probably start to think Alan Jones makes sense occasionally.

I love how S&G are in the list twice. Because they’re like, really really left.

brc

7 Oct 12 at 6:11 pm
Slater & Gordon Lawyers
Anglican Retirement Villages
Commonwealth Bank Women in Focus
Slater & Gordon (again)
Turner & Freeman Lawyers
Sydney Symphony Orchestra
State Custodians Mortgage Company
Deakin Univeristy (sic)
Medibank

If I was the most popular shock jock in the countrah, none of the above would be advertising on my show.

In other words, their (extorted) coin would not be missed.

P.S. Noice of you to slip in slapper & gordon twice.

Rabz

7 Oct 12 at 6:18 pm
I love how S&G are in the list twice.

Oh bleep – was doing some research on the advertisers, brc!

Rabz

7 Oct 12 at 6:21 pm
I was initially surprised that S&G were advertising with Jones, then I remembered they are ambulance chasers. You know it makes sense.

Entropy

7 Oct 12 at 6:26 pm
BTW Kangaroo Court has a post up about Roxon’s extraordinary interference in the Slipper matter
http://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/2012/10/07/ag-nicola-roxon-gives-instructions-to-her-subordinate-justice-steven-rares-in-the-peter-slipper-james-ashby-case/

val majkus

7 Oct 12 at 6:34 pm
Let me assure you, Dogshit’s Best Friend, you are extremist, minority scum and you will not win against Jones because your sole intention is to silence a government critic. You intention is to be able to silence anyone you don’t like on any issue at any time; the creation of a fascist virtual state. You’re gloating because you think you’re winning. You’re not only going to lose, you’re going to get your arse kicked as a prelude to the biggest arse-kicking in modern Australian history. You and your green fascist mates are going to have your political organisation all but destroyed, right down to and including your hiding places in the public service.

Tom

7 Oct 12 at 6:50 pm
“Oh dear, Alice has kicked the hornets nest of questioning dot’s (self assessed) vast intellect and education!”

You bet I kicked it because, like a hornets nest, Dot’s vast intellect is full of holes but once kicked he storms out of his nest and sprays insults everywhere.

As far as I can see – Dot’s insults are a poor substitute for an argument, and this from some prat doing post grad economics (or so Dot says) and who thinks he knows it all ….so boring and so tiresome.

First Dot needs to grow up and argue like a post grad econ student and he needs a good kick right up the arse until he does so.

Alice

7 Oct 12 at 6:55 pm
Oh, dear, mAlice is back.

If only her mouth size and brain size were reversed, we’d have a star drive by now.

Mk50 of Brisbane

7 Oct 12 at 6:59 pm
Mia san mia.

Rabz

7 Oct 12 at 7:28 pm
Alice

I only want to argue, but you kick in the invective.

When you get insulted in return, mostly for being haughty without actually knowing anything about the topic at hand (or lying about your actual partisanship) – it is childish etc. This is a cheap trick and you can bet I won’t let a brain damaged fuckhead such as yourself get away with it.

You know nothing of economics Alice and have never studied it. You have never had a job as an economist. You are a phoney and you are unhinged. Your so called non partisanship is a crock of shit.

If you think you are an economist with one postgrad degree on top of another field you learned absolutely nothing about economics whatsoever, have a sense of shame and hand back your degree and demand your fees back. If you have this deluded sense of entitlement because you have some incredulous, left wing, BA in basket weaving with moronic and ill informed criticisms of how the West is wealthier than the rest of the globe – you are simply a big noting shithead who hates humanity and is a jealous loser who has never succeeded besides not becoming a destitute.

Of course, the most likely probability is that you are a deranged left wing troll who is under 25, still wet behind the ears and will say anything to “win” an argument on the internet, even trying to use a fake degree, career and argue from authority by virtue of being older, despite knowing sweet fuck all about anything in particular.

You don’t have any economic arguments left. What you believe in is a load of codswallop. You actually think (sic) that increasing employment, rising participation rates, falling unemployment, rising productivity, falling inflation and rising real wages – make society worse off!

I bring up examples of centre right and centre left Governments in the OECD successfully using supply side policies and you just ignore them like a Raelian or a typical Scinetologist loon.

Like I said: You are wrong, you are stupid, you are misguided and you are unhinged. You are also a wuss.

Your views were wrong, fraudulent and bankrupt. I schooled you and now all you have left is invective, which you cannot even do without becoming a cry baby.

Fuck off and leave us sane people alone.

.

7 Oct 12 at 7:38 pm
Karen Middleton was looking as tired and flabby as her journalism on Ol’ Leathery’s Abbott Hour this morning.

Why is it that Jabba is held in such high regard that his fellow journalists all end up looking like him after a while?

H B Bear

7 Oct 12 at 7:45 pm
Dot
says

“You know nothing of economics Alice and have never studied it.”

Thats the beauty of the internet isnt it? You can get away with a complete bullshit statement about someone else without knowing jack shit about what they have been doing for the past twenty years.

Dream on Dot.

You are a novice in every sense of the word (and it is apparent by your responses) but it does you no good to swear at everuone who you disagree with if you are as you say, a post grad econ student.

You could do worse than take some advice.

Alice

7 Oct 12 at 7:46 pm
Thats the beauty of the internet isnt it? You can get away with a complete bullshit statement about someone else without knowing jack shit about what they have been doing for the past twenty years.

I thought you said were teaching since before the 1980s, not 1992…whatever.

Sure Alice, economics professors think paying $4 for a bottle of milk is the greatest moral outrage, ever.

From planet earth,

Bye.

.

7 Oct 12 at 7:49 pm
My sincerest wish would be for 12 months of Greens policies adoption, to see how the Australian people really think of them. Sure, it would cause widespread problems, but think of it like a ‘Brewsters Millions‘ solution. The payoff in the long run would be worth the short term pain.

Sure,
let’s do a trial in Tasmania, no-one is allowed to leave during the trial. It could be ‘Reality Green TV’. Like Big Brother, only worse (or better?)

Helen Armstrong

7 Oct 12 at 8:02 pm
Have we seen this before?

President interviewed by Hannity on Fox.

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 8:08 pm
Yes bye Dot
Come back for a chat when you grow up boy.

Alice

7 Oct 12 at 8:09 pm
All of the left’s tricks are so laughably dated now. We saw the upshot of the lameness in Queensland and at the presidential debate. They’re just not working any more.

Dead right, applies to Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Change Alarmism too. They have done poor old heny penny to death!

Helen Armstrong

7 Oct 12 at 8:09 pm
henny

Helen Armstrong

7 Oct 12 at 8:10 pm
Dot says
“ure Alice, economics professors think paying $4 for a bottle of milk is the greatest moral outrage, ever.”

So I take it you dont intend to take whatever econ postgrad you told us all you have..to a phd Dot and Professorship?

(and will never be one of the vast army of econ professors of different views?

Now let me see??? – isnt Sinc, your lovely host, a Professor of Econ?.
I’m sure Sinc doesnt think paying $4 for a bottle of milks is the greatest moral outrage ever.

You trip over your own bootlaces boy.
Think before you speak.

Alice

7 Oct 12 at 8:15 pm
Yes bye Dot
Come back for a chat when you grow up boy.

“Grow up, I should be able to insult anyone without combeack, anyone who protests my zany socialist schemes and rejection of empirical evidence in favour of laissez faire such as Keating and Hawke cutting marginal tax rates”

What you are telling me is that you are a wuss, a communist and must be elevated above your station, using the lamest of rhetorical devices to argue.

Please come back when you find a brain.

Bye.

.

7 Oct 12 at 8:16 pm
Helen….

…

…

…

… that’s a stroke of purest genius.

For a start, the orgy of cannibalism eight weeks in is going to rate like nothing on Earth.

And we can put grandaddy green shirtlifter and the Greens in a luxuriously appointed gated ~~iron cage~~ gated community in the middle of the starving mayhem, feasting on lavish viands in vast profusion, with video feeds out to the starving peasants and no communications inwards to tell them what’s really going on outside.

Instead, their delusions get fed by ~~MSM-style reporting~~ lies.

Then, running a countdown, one day the gates open. Inside they are preparing to go forth into the wild public acclamation they expect.

The looks on their faces as the howling cannibal starvelings swarm over them will be priceless.

Mk50 of Brisbane

7 Oct 12 at 8:17 pm
“ure Alice, economics professors think paying $4 for a bottle of milk is the greatest moral outrage, ever.”

So I take it you dont intend to take whatever econ postgrad you told us all you have..to a phd Dot and Professorship?

Alice you illiterate fuckhead, these are your beliefs.

.

7 Oct 12 at 8:18 pm
I was initially surprised that S&G were advertising with Jones, then I remembered they are ambulance chasers. You know it makes sense.

There are a lot of ambulance chasers advertising on Jone’s show.

I thought S&G was a p*** take as it is S&G conveyancing. No sh*t.

Token

7 Oct 12 at 8:18 pm
mAlice

You are boring and grow tiresome. The chance of you being anything more than just another gap-toothed window-licking retarded left-wing troll is below 10%.

A quick read of what you have posted here clearly reveals an undergrad level of education, and a poor grasp of logic, facts and argument.

Second year, perhaps.

Your claims are false.

Mk50 of Brisbane

7 Oct 12 at 8:20 pm
Haven’t seen JC’s comments for ages. Has he given up on Romney and Abbott and thinks the socialists have won? He shouldn’t be downhearted, all will be okay, JC.

candy

7 Oct 12 at 8:29 pm
Whatever you say are facts MK50

you are an expert apparently in blogland with no facts at all and your mate Dot is just plain clumsy with his analogies of what econ professors think about the price of milk.
You failed to note that Dot thinks all econ professors have the same view (including his host here? I dont think so)

which makes you as stupid as Dot
and as willing to accept your own trite opinions over fact.

Alice

7 Oct 12 at 8:32 pm
yeah, whatever, mAlice.

Just another low-quality troll.

Hey, SfB, can you give this spavined cretin some trolling lessons? It needs them desperately.

Mk50 of Brisbane

7 Oct 12 at 8:41 pm
What Alice believes

http://johnquiggin.com/2011/04/12/towards-an-economics-of-unhappiness/

@David Fitzpatrick
This immiseration is the current choice of both Australian political parties David. We, in Australia are nowhere near the point of Karl Marx’s mass immiseration of workers due to oppressive production, even if many other nations are much closer.
This immiseration of Australian people is solely the fault of our feeble governments and their feeble policy choices, and I make no distinction between either Labor or Liberal because there is no distinction to make.

Even Fran Barlow thinks you’re a lying, unhinged, left wing porkchop.

@Ernestine Gross
And Ernestine – just keep contributing your area of expertise…I dont have such expertise but I dont pretend to either and if you make sense to me (which is half the battle in economics isnt it?) then you are indeed communicating for a worthy cause.
The reason you make sense to me (and Fran makes no sense at all) is because I have some knowledge of economics over many years of teaching and readings – certainly enough to discern a fake or superfical user of economic terms from someone who has a deeper understanding like you.
I am a translator Ernestine from Professor and Lecturers somewhat higher than students who are somewhat lower, as always, on the knowledge scale. I waste my translating skills here…where apparently those without much objective, unbiased or deep reading can use / misuse economic terms freely. Im afraid it has already added to my economic cringe and I really dont know how JQ just doesnt throw up his hands and collapse the whole blog at times!!

September 26th, 2010 at 18:53
I sincerely wonder why $500 also…however I suspect if we look deeply enough yours and my taxes is paying for a lot the entrants to go (public academic subsidies and funding of conference attendance) to shake hands with bank managers and lick boots for an even higher paying job…
(Quigs and Keen aside) – honestly our taxes would be better off paying the latter two to go to a conference without the rest of the “finance maths modelling martini drinking egoistic hail fellow well mets”.
If every university was really thinking they would split their finance and economics departments and get rid of those who spend their life fawning to financial instutions with pretty models on how to make an even bigger leveraged buck at the expense of everyone else’s savings.
I dont see why finance and economics should be lumped togther in many uni institutions.
We need surgical intervention and economics conference fees shouldnt be just for the rich bankers.

May 26th, 2010 at 10:06 | #18 Reply | Quote
@Michael of Summer Hill
Moshie – the Mining sector in Western Australia – mostly BHP has been wealthy enough to buy up tracts of whole houses in some towns, for their workers to live in “in case they start a project” – leaving the firemen, school teachers and other residents who cant afford to buy facing exorbitant rent increases while streets and streets of houses stand empty (owned by BHP).
BHP obviously has more than enough super profits….while they decimate whole towns of small business and its traditional residents….while they think about projects.
That must also mean they get a good share of rentn income from their own employees?

October 12th, 2010 at 20:15 | #10 Reply | Quote
@Donald Oats
WTF is right Donald. Years..no decades ago I worked as a nurse in English hospitals and the poor girls that came from Ireland to have abortions in english hospitals when they probably could barely afford the trip. If it wasnt for Tony Abbotts twisted morality this woman wouldnt be on trial and neither would a whole lot of other women be placed through physical trials having invasive unsophisticated abortions in clinics and hospitalsn (at least thats one step up from the backyard abortions that went on in previous decades but its still not good enough). These men that think they have the right to decide what women do with their bodies and theor lifestyle choices must belong to the “freedom party”. The same sort of bunch of bullies attending the Monty Pelican meeting.
The morning after pill should have been here in Australia decades ago.

A translator, a nurse, an economist…fuck off.

WHAT A FUCKING IDIOT AND BULLSHIT ARTIST!

.

7 Oct 12 at 8:41 pm
JC told us a few weeks back that QE3 (i.e. US government stimulating the economy by printing money) has meant he is making a motza on the markets.

Hey Alice, seeing you are such a gun at economics.
Please help me explain to Candy why traders make a lot of money when QE occurs.

Token

7 Oct 12 at 8:41 pm
Are you losing it dot? Caps and bold??

SteveC

7 Oct 12 at 8:55 pm
At risk of further lowering the tone of this thread, is his wifey Incontinentia up there yet? If not, someone with a spare email address might rectify thata.

Lizzie you don’t need a spare email address.

You just make one up. [email protected] and hit enter and it accepts it.

It’s so easy to play, I don’t know why anyone would ever take an internet petition seriously. I mean, I’ve got 6 email addresses that I use just at home. They’re all for different things, but great for voting on stuff when you have to use legit addresses.

They aren’t worth the time it takes to read them

nilk

7 Oct 12 at 8:55 pm
A bit frustrated that I have use a sledgehammer to crack a nut, but I’m not having delusions like Alice.

.

7 Oct 12 at 8:56 pm
Lizzie you don’t need a spare email address.

I know, thanks, someone else told me earlier this afternoon and you will find that Incontinentia got work straight away then.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

7 Oct 12 at 9:01 pm
[email protected]

Nilk,

Teh ‘logde’????

Rabz

7 Oct 12 at 9:13 pm
[email protected]

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 9:15 pm
Incontinentia Bottocks – isn’t she from one of the fwinist fwamilies in Wome?

Token

7 Oct 12 at 9:15 pm
lol, Rabz. I wasn’t paying attention. I had a ball last night just making up names and being stupid with that petition. So were a few other people.

I have no idea how many of those signers were legit, but a fair whack of them are people just playing around. All that does is give Bolta and Tim Blair more toys to play with.

Kind of like the hashtags on twitter and Malkin’s twitchy.com site. There’s a crapload of fun to be had there.

nilk

7 Oct 12 at 9:17 pm
[email protected]

Rabz

7 Oct 12 at 9:19 pm
Thanks, Nilk – just having a laugh.

I signed teh petition on Friday arvo as Mitt Romney after reading Bunyip’s latest post.

All too easy…

Rabz

7 Oct 12 at 9:21 pm
I didn’t realise what an entrepreneur Malkin is.

.

7 Oct 12 at 9:23 pm
You have to remember that Incontientia and Biggus were both Romans, so an appropriate address would be something like:

[email protected]

A person by the name of Larks Tongue would be:

[email protected]

boy on a bike

7 Oct 12 at 9:24 pm
Fucking splitters.

.

7 Oct 12 at 9:27 pm
I signed as K Rudd, amongst other names. It’s sad the things that amuse us on a saturday night at home, but it was a hoot.

The confected outrage is definitely over the top.

nilk

7 Oct 12 at 9:35 pm
I wouldn’t put it past some horrible person to also sign up:

Ex Leper
Otters’ noses
Ocelot spleens
wrens’ livers
badgers’ spleens
Chaffinch brains
Jaguars’ earlobes
Wolf nipple chips
Dromedary pretzels
Tuscany fried bats
MR. BIG NOSE
HARRY THE HAGGLER
Nortius Maximus
Frank Goliath, the Macedonian baby-crusher
Sillius Soddus
Pwaetowian guards
BLOOD & THUNDER PROPHET
SHOE FOLLOWER
Thamthon the Thadduthee Thtrangler
Welease Wodewick
Brian of Nazareth

Don’t bother with Matthias, son of Deuteronomy of Gath – he’s already signed up.

boy on a bike

7 Oct 12 at 9:35 pm
I was King Kevin

JamesK

7 Oct 12 at 9:44 pm
The money has just kept coming for Romney this weekend on every betting site. The only thing stopping him from being a $2.50 shot is lefty losers. Back the truck up kids!

Infidel Tiger

7 Oct 12 at 9:55 pm
Excellent billboard ad for Romney.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/10/the-choice-is-clear-billboard-stops-traffic-in-michigan/

Gab

7 Oct 12 at 9:57 pm
Gooooaaaaaaaallllllll!!!!!!

Rabz

7 Oct 12 at 10:05 pm
Krauthammer smashes Obama…

“He is half as intelligent as he thinks he is.“

Token

7 Oct 12 at 10:08 pm
Belgium pioneers organ donation from euthanased patients

The practice of transplanting organs from patients who die after voluntary euthanasia is becoming relatively common in Belgium. A leading specialist, Dirk Van Raemdonck, told a conference in Brussels recently that there had already been nine cases. A year ago, a team at a hospital in Leuven announced that it had successfully transplanted lungs from four euthanased patients between 2007 and 2009. Over the next three years there appear to have been another five.

According to the website De Redactie, run by the Flemish public broadcasting company VRT, Belgium is the world leader in organ removal after euthanasia. This has been done only once elsewhere in the world, in neighbouring Holland, Dr Van Raemdonck told De Redactie.

Only a small proportion of euthanased patients are able to donate organs, since most of them are terminally ill with cancer. About 1,100 Belgians were euthanased in 2011. Most of the patient donors have muscular or neurological disorders

JamesK

7 Oct 12 at 10:08 pm
Haven’t seen JC’s comments for ages. Has he given up on Romney and Abbott and thinks the socialists have won? He shouldn’t be downhearted, all will be okay, JC.

I’m still around Candy. Just had a busy weekend.

I’m fine with Romney. I think he’s very competent but don’t know if he will win. Just hope he does. I hope the guys here talking about a stunning Romney victory are right.

I’m down on Abbott as I think he’s playing too much defense and becoming too worried about his own shadow.

JC

7 Oct 12 at 10:11 pm
“I’m down on Abbott as I think he’s playing too much defense and becoming too worried about his own shadow.”

I think you’re spot on there.

candy

7 Oct 12 at 10:21 pm
A real life Worzel Gummidge: Graduate lands job as human scarecrow

The job market is undoubtedly tough, even tougher if the job you’re after involves sitting down all day, reading a book and occasionally playing an accordion.

A 22-year-old music graduate has, however, been recruited for just such a job after landing employment as a human scarecrow at a farm in Norfolk.

Jamie Fox, who recently graduated with a degree in music and English from the University of Bangor, is employed to scare away partridges from an oilseed rape field in Aylsham.

Wearing a bright orange coat, and using an accordion and a cowbell to keep the partridges away, Mr Fox earns around £250 a week scaring partridges from the 10-acre (four-hectare) field.

This real life Worzel Gummidge spends his days sitting, reading and strumming his ukulele.

JamesK

7 Oct 12 at 10:31 pm
A real life Worzel Gummidge: Graduate lands job as human scarecrow

Nicola Roxon has found gainful employment?! Joyous day!

Infidel Tiger

7 Oct 12 at 10:34 pm
I’m down on Abbott as I think he’s playing too much defense and becoming too worried about his own shadow.

From a Jungian perspective that makes for some fascinating thoughts … .

Dead Soul

7 Oct 12 at 10:34 pm
Criticism Mounts Over State Envoy
Jewish leaders slam appointment of anti-Israel envoy to OSCE conference

Jewish leaders expressed outrage Friday over the State Department’s praise for, and defense of, a controversial Muslim leader who has defended terrorist groups and suggested that Israel may have been responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Salam al-Marayati, founder of the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), was picked to represent the United States government at the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe’s (OSCE) annual 10-day human rights conference, the Human Dimension Implementation Meetings (HDIM).

Al-Marayati’s well-known anti-Israel bona fides prompted Jewish leaders and others to express outrage over the Obama administration’s selection.

“It is regrettable that someone with such distorted, conspiratorial views—even with a lackluster apology—is delegated by our government to represent our country abroad,” the Anti-Defamation League said in a statement….

Al-Marayati was criticized by pro-Israel leaders when he recommended that the U.S. “put the state of Israel on the [9/11] suspect list,” according to the New York Times.

“If we’re going to look at suspects, we should look to the groups that benefit the most from these kinds of incidents, and I think we should put the state of Israel on the suspect list because I think this diverts attention from what’s happening in the Palestinian territories so that they can go on with their aggression and occupation and apartheid policies,” al-Marayati told a radio host, according to the Times.

The U.S. Embassies in Poland and Brussels had commended al-Marayati’s participation in the human rights forum, according to statements on their respective websites.

MPAC, the organization al-Marayati helped create, has been condemned by Jewish groups for promoting false articles claiming that Israel harvests Palestinian organs, the latest iteration of a centuries-old anti-Semitic blood libel.

And still American Jews overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

JamesK

7 Oct 12 at 10:40 pm
Revolt of the Spooks
Intelligence officials angered by Obama administration cover up of intelligence on Iranian, al Qaeda surge in Egypt and Libya

Weeks before the presidential election, President Barack Obama’s administration faces mounting opposition from within the ranks of U.S. intelligence agencies over what career officers say is a “cover up” of intelligence information about terrorism in North Africa.

Intelligence held back from senior officials and the public includes numerous classified reports revealing clear Iranian support for jihadists throughout the tumultuous North Africa and Middle East region, as well as notably widespread al Qaeda penetration into Egypt and Libya in the months before the deadly Sept. 11 terrorist attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.

“The Iranian strategy is two-fold: upping the ante for the Obama administration’s economic sanctions against Iran and perceived cyber operations against Iran’s nuclear weapons program by conducting terror attacks on soft U.S. targets and cyber attacks against U.S. financial interests,” said one official, speaking confidentially.

JamesK

7 Oct 12 at 10:45 pm
Wearing a bright orange coat, and using an accordion and a cowbell to keep the partridges away, Mr Fox earns around £250 a week scaring partridges from the 10-acre (four-hectare) field.

See what happens when farm subsidies get out of hand. Guarding a canola field sounds exciting.

kelly liddle

7 Oct 12 at 11:33 pm
The siege begins: the extreme left versus Australia, backed by the federal government, using Facebook as the battering ram and the Alan Jones breakfast show as the surrogate battlefield, advertising-free this morning to protect advertisers from harrassment and cyber-terrorism. Jones says Mercedes-Benz should sack its spokesman David McCarthy on behalf of the dealer network, which he says is furious about the social media campaign:

Mercedes-Benz Australia spokesman David McCarthy said the decision to withdraw all advertising was “made with immediate effect due to the inappropriate remarks made by by Alan Jones”.

Mercedes-Benz and its NSW dealer network have been regular advertisers on Jones’ morning program for many years.

“The message we want to send was that we don’t accept the comments made by Jones,” said Mr McCarthy. “This decision is for all our advertising as well as that of our dealer network.”

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 5:23 am
I wonder whether Fairfax are even pretending any more than they’re not the Labor-Green propaganda department:

THE federal Treasurer, Wayne Swan, has seized on comments by Tony Abbott that he wanted to get the ”economy growing again” to suggest the Opposition Leader needs to go back to school.

The Treasurer said Mr Abbott was proving his incompetence by claiming the economy was not growing.

”It’s either epicly ignorant or he’s flat-out lying because he thinks he can say whatever he wants about the economy and get away with it,” Mr Swan said yesterday.

”Maybe Mr Abbott could sit in on a year 8 economics class and learn that our economy is growing – more strongly than any major advanced economy, in fact.”

In my opinion, Fairfax and the left are daring working people to take to the streets in mass protests against this government, rubbing their noses in it to make them angry.

The reign of this criminal, incompetent rabble may actually finish on the streets.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 5:35 am
The Turks have vowed to “crush” anyone firing over the border from Syria. They have the means to do it, too. Given the atrophied, vestigial armed forces in most EU countries, Turkey has now the largest armed force in NATO next to the US.
Any minute now their return artillery fire will be designated by the ABC and Fairfax quality journalists as brutal, oppressive and in some way against international law. They will do this in order to appear consistent with their treatment of Israel whenever Israel returns fire at the so-called Palestinians.
Any minute now.

Blogstrop

8 Oct 12 at 6:44 am
Wow! Alan Jones says his sales team has told him that Mercedes-Benz’s confected outrage about his comments supposedly on behalf of MB consumers last week came two weeks after MB cancelled its advertising contract with 2GB. By playing politics, MB has now pissed off many of its dealers and has done itself a great deal of commercial harm. I expect the company will now sack this idiot PR man David McCarthy.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 6:52 am
What a fun morning on AJ.

First, Bunyip’s piece in Quadrant got read from beginning to end. The man should be seeing a flood of new traffic in the coming days.

Second, a wonderful lady from Caloundra gave a serve to Nanny Roxon over Peter “the Musselman” Slipper. It was a riot, and her sign off that she’ll never look at a spaghetti marinara the same way left me laughing on the floor.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 7:02 am
Greg Sheridan finds a couple of things to admire in Bob Carr and pronounces him the only adult in the current government.
I know he’s an admirer of Bob from way back, but to many the idea of Carr becoming a big wheel in the Federal sphere will be somewhat tempered by his track record in NSW, which they may feel is no great monument or magnificent CV after years spent in charge there.

Blogstrop

8 Oct 12 at 7:06 am
What is sad is that AJ noted how decripid the Green-slimers are who are persuing the political campaign to attack his shows advertisers.

Last week AJ gave time to advertise an eisteddfod for Autistic children for free. The result is the Green-slimer astro-turf organisation attacked the charitable organisation and demanded that boycott the show.

I can’t wait to see SteveC’s post celebrating the way his Green-sliming mates bullied this organisation.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 7:08 am
Good to Cut & Paste picked up Prof Bunyip’s work today and used Coorey’s words to be-clown him:

PHIL Coorey, The Sydney Morning Herald, October 1:
AN online petition calling for (Alan) Jones to be sacked has already gained more than 12,000 signatures.

Phil Coorey, Damien Murphy, SMH, October 2:

SPONSORS started lining up to withdraw advertising as more than 36,000 people signed an online campaign urging (companies) to boycott Jones and his employer, 2GB.

Michelle Grattan, The Age, October 5:

A PETITION to put pressure on advertisers and sponsors got more than 100,000 signatures.

Professor Bunyip blogs, Quadrant online, October 5:

OF all Australia’s many shames, few can rival the disgrace of being forced to share the continent with the likes of Alan Jones, who quite clearly needs to be silenced, ruined financially and shunned by all decent people and former advertisers….

Token

8 Oct 12 at 7:11 am
Token, it was Barry Humphries in his original magazine cartoon series Barry Mackenzie who first drew my attention to the term “spearing the bearded clam” as a metaphor in the rich Australian vernacular.
I have not yet seen the Australian movie “The Oyster Farmer”, but can surmise that there’ll be a romantic interlude of this type, wherein a clammy encounter is at least simulated.

Blogstrop

8 Oct 12 at 7:14 am
Tom, Cut & Paste note Mercedes Benz’s proud record when it comes to human rights:

Mercedes’ reputation. Sydney’s The Sunday Telegraph, yesterday:

MERCEDES-BENZ will confiscate Alan Jones’s $250,000 sponsored car, and has vowed to never again support the controversial broadcaster or his radio station 2GB.

Mercedes’ reputation. Britain’s Daily Mail, yesterday:

ROBERT Mugabe’s motorcade kills a third person in two weeks after colliding with a minibus. A homeless man, security guard and a minibus passenger all die as Robert Mugabe is transported around Zimbabwe. The 88-year-old tyrant’s motorcade is said to be the longest in Africa and his vehicle is a luxury Mercedes.

MB, a great supporter of tyrants and killers, not interested in free speech.

Nice to know SteveC endorses such an organisation.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 7:14 am
Blog, I don’t think Barry Humphries (a noted conservative) in full flight could deliver the comments with as much wit as the caller from Caloundra.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 7:15 am
I expect the company will now sack this idiot PR man David McCarthy.

Damn straight they should, by willfully misleading people he has managed to draw attention to the fact Mugabe uses MB vehicles to murder people.

A Woolworths employee has had to fall on his sword for much less. Note that unlike Mr McCarthy, this occured at a private function.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 7:20 am
Paul Sheehan catalogs the work of this wretch government in as much detail as he can today:

This fraught context can only go so far in explaining the endless distortions and smears that have become the daily language of the federal Treasurer, Wayne Swan. Even when packaged in a suit and tie and surrounded by the gravitas of the House of Representatives, he looks and sounds like a spiv.

In preparation for this column I spent two days going through the Hansards of recent months, extracting all the personal insults that Swan has engaged in, all the outrageous distortions, all the self-praise. I’ve found the sheer amount of damning material from his own mouth can’t be contained in this confined space. It requires a chapter, not a column.

Earlier this year I described Anthony Albanese, another member of cabinet and the leader of government business in the House, as someone who had made the gutter his permanent address. He still lives there. He’s added an extra room. But Swan has found somewhere lower to dwell. He has found the sewer.

It was entirely predictable that of the 102 Labor members of Federal Parliament, the two who sought to exploit the death of John Gillard for political advantage were Albanese and Swan. The Member for Gutter and the Member for Sewer sought to attach blame to Abbott for a distasteful remark made by the broadcaster Alan Jones about John Gillard’s death. Abbott had encouraged the ugly tone, they said, with not a shred of irony.

M0nty, SteveC, Steve from Brisbane. Time to man up and endorse this article and condemn the offensive way Labor has exploited the death of the PM’s father.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 7:30 am
I guess Dogshit’s Best Friend had a big night on the hash pipe and isn’t here to gloat about how the Greenfilth has executed Alan Jones – and has businesses throughout Australia cowering from its fascist social media zombies and the false signatures on the change.org petition.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 7:33 am
In case you were thinking change.org was an innocent tech site and not a trojan horse for the communist left to remake Australia in its own image – Paul Sheehan:

Change.org would have us believe it is a neutral platform for grassroots democracy, like Twitter and Facebook. It is not. It did not just provide the technology for disseminating the boycott campaign against Alan Jones. It provided the social platform. It provided the scale. It provided the context. It provided media support. It sent out press releases with ringing endorsements of the campaign, quoting the Australian director of Change.org, Nick Allardice: “As more advertisers pull out, the more consumers are buoyed by their ability to hold people like Alan Jones to account for what they say, and the more pressure builds on advertisers who are left.”

Note the use of the term “people like Alan Jones”.

Change.org also drew attention to the commercial damage caused by campaigns using its platform, and did so with approval: “A petition on Change.org led to more than 60 advertisers withdrawing their advertising from the Kyle and Jackie O program, at a cost of more than $10 million.”

Or, as one reader wrote, with revealing candour, in a letter published in the Herald last week: “We do not want Alan Jones on the air.”

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 7:52 am
The Member for Gutter and the Member for Sewer

Priceless descriptors.

dover_beach

8 Oct 12 at 8:03 am
Absolute ripper of an article from Sheehan. Thank Gaia he went through Hansard on Swan, saved me the trouble.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 8:07 am
Steve C says
“Are you losing it dot? Caps and bold??”

The idiot Dot lost it ages ago and is now trolling through five years of my blog comments.

So what Dotty??

If only I could be bothered trolling through your past blog entries – but I suspect it would send me to sleep pretty damn quick.

Dont you have a real job?

Oh and are you sure you are not doing post grad studies in the use of hate riddled invective?

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 8:19 am
Even when packaged in a suit and tie and surrounded by the gravitas of the House of Representatives, he looks and sounds like a spiv.

That’s our Wayne – the wiggling galoot.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 8:22 am
Alice, you’re now officially a troll who comes here only to pick fights. Fuck off. Mods take note.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 8:23 am
Paul Sheehan

Change.org would have us believe it is a neutral platform for grassroots democracy, like Twitter and Facebook. It is not. It did not just provide the technology for disseminating the boycott campaign against Alan Jones. It provided the social platform. It provided the scale. It provided the context. It provided media support. It sent out press releases with ringing endorsements of the campaign, quoting the Australian director of Change.org, Nick Allardice: “As more advertisers pull out, the more consumers are buoyed by their ability to hold people like Alan Jones to account for what they say, and the more pressure builds on advertisers who are left.”

Over a week ago, in response to a comment (by Gab?Candy?) about a new Change.org campaign to petition advertisers to support Alan Jones, I posted a comment querying whether Change.org could be trusted. I have since been unable to locate my comment on the Cat. Was it removed for some reason?

Septimus

8 Oct 12 at 8:24 am
Hey Alice, I really would like help to explain QE3 to Candy.

I trust with your extensive acadmic experience you’ll able to spend a few minutes and put it in terms one of your students can understand.

Are you able to do us all a favour and help us with that?

Token

8 Oct 12 at 8:26 am
Oh by the way Dotty I was a nurse. Have you not heard of anyone changing their career? Oh I must have forgot how young you are – what is it Dotty? Under 25 years??

You can scream Bullshit all you like but if the evidence on who I am and what I do went to a court – I would be happily watching you get it stuffed down your ignorant throat.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 8:26 am
Alice, you’re now officially a troll who comes here only to pick fights. Fuck off. Mods take note.

Yeah! This is Tom’s playground, and he decides who gets to use the monkey bars.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 8:27 am
Steve from Brisbane, please outline how offensive you find it that the deputy Prime Minister & the governments Leader of the House exploited the death of the PM’s father for politcal advantage.

Go!

Token

8 Oct 12 at 8:29 am
Alice

Please tell us what year you were born (I believe it is 1957 as previously stated on JQ’s blog), how many years did you train as a nurse, a translator and as an economist (before you started *teaching*?), and how many years you worked as each one of these (as an economist after your honours year please)? I note that you referred to yourself working in multiple British hospitals (in what you hint at was your first career) yet you describe having an Australian childhood? How could you do all of this yet start teaching economics before the 1980s?

You are lying. You have no clue about economics and you tried a silly, fabricated, age based argument from authority to shield yourself from accepting any of the crystal clear evidence I presented.

You are a silly old woman.

You do not have a licentiate to lie because you are a left wing loon who has very misguided, very passionate views on why Australians shouldn’t be more prosperous.

I don’t normally do this kind of thing but your level of dishonesty, stupidity and flagrant fuck brained nastiness and pusillanimity is truly beyond the pale.

.

8 Oct 12 at 8:30 am
Dear Token start with QE2 and ineterest rates and the concept of returns from alternative investments and work it from there. Im sure you wont find it too hard to explain it to Candy.

How about you run your ideas past me first and ill let you know if you are on the right track?

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 8:32 am
One good thing, Dot, is that I’ve learned a lot more about economics from you in your replies to Alice, as I’m sure others have as well. So there’s always an upside.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 8:32 am
I have no idea what gave Dot the idea I was teaching eocnomics BEFORE the 1980s?

Dot where did you get that idea or is that something else you made up in your own mind?

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 8:34 am
And you Dot, are a very silly boy obviously.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 8:34 am
Alice, why would we start at QE2 and not talk about he core issues which were the core of the matter?

I’m not as experienced as you, why focus on the concept of returns from alternate investment? How does that specifically explain the need for the stimulation?

I’m confused where you are going with this. What is the basis for the thesis?

Token

8 Oct 12 at 8:35 am
Economics a la Alice

Septimus

8 Oct 12 at 8:37 am
Scandal looms:

Since last week, the news sphere has been buzzing about the possibility of an Obama campaign foreign donor scandal being the big October surprise of 2012. Since the Washington Examiner first reported the story last week, many are asking how the Obama campaign will handle foreign donation allegations expected to go public Monday in a major magazine and national website story. The Obama campaign has already tried to block the story from publication and although the details of the scandal are still under wraps, we do know taxes and unsecured credit card transactions are about to cause a major headache for the Obama campaign.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 8:38 am
Thanks Alice. That’s all I need to see. QED.

Hey Alice, I really would like help to explain QE3 to Candy.

Dear Token start with QE2 and ineterest rates and the concept of returns from alternative investments and work it from there. Im sure you wont find it too hard to explain it to Candy.

What a gibbering fucking idiot. It’s like the RBA Governor answering every Senate committee question with “it’s a matter of supply and demand”.

.

8 Oct 12 at 8:38 am
Hey Token, you forgot to mention one line from Sheehan’s article:

The Liberal shadow minister Sophie Mirabella would win the bronze medal in the boorishness competition after Swan (gold) and Albanese (silver).

I didn’t really know she was held in low regard by a conservative columnist, so that was interesting.

The rest of Sheehan’s column was just a case of assertion.

I don’t have to spend hours going through Hansard to know how boorish and full of fake apology Alan Jones has been under the Gillard government. A couple of months ago, Media Watch pointed out that, after an interview in which Jones said he regretted using the “chaff bag” jibe, he was back using it again.

I have no sympathy with Jones or his station or even his advertisers, except to the extent that excessive spammy emailing of an advertiser can cause serious disruption to an important tool for small business. (I presume big companies can handle it, but still, hard to know where to draw the line.) Campaigners who lead such social media movements should dissuade people from doing that. It is counterproductive, as it is boorish behaviour in its own way.

As far as I am concerned, the current campaign was not really sparked by the one comment by Jones, but by his completely unacceptable rhetoric in his campaign against Gillard personally over the last few years.

In case you hadn’t noticed, there are other forms of advertising than radio.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 8:41 am
Hammersmith Hospital to be precise Dot in the bone marrow transplant unit and elsewhere as a nurse living in London for 4 years.
Now how about you tell me exactly what work you have done and where and how long since you left school and where you are undertaking your econ post grad studies and um how far have you got with that Dot?

Or maybe I should just scream “bullshitter” in bold as well when I dont know jack about you?.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 8:41 am
I don’t normally do this kind of thing

Actually yes Dot, you do.

m0nty

8 Oct 12 at 8:44 am
Dogshit, it is a matter of great frustration to me and others that the blog owners allow you to troll this site all day every, picking fights with everyone except the other leftwing trolls. I can only assume that Sinc regards you as an insurance marker: he can’t be accused of running a closed shop as long as he gives unlimited freedom to the most repulsive, ignorant, uneducated clown in the Australian blogosphere. If anything, your presence has turned off a number of posters who no longer come here because of the poisonout bullshit you insist on posting. You’re a traffic killer: website owners beware. Just look at that pathetic, unvisited mess of pixels you created yourself. In any case, I’m revising my Dogshit theory: I now believe you’re a fake troll praising the idiocy of Labor and the Greens to maximise the conservative vote at the next election. It’s a brilliant subterfuge. I wonder if Brian Loughnane told Tony Abbott when he hired you as the Catallaxy fake troll? Masterful. I just hope he doesn’t let you anywhere near Peta Credlin. She’d probably deck you, you tiny pissant loser.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 8:45 am
How long did it take to become trained as a nurse in such a specialised unit?

Did you grow up in Australia (as inferred by earlier posts at Quiggin’s) and move to England for work?

So you were at least 21 before you trained as a translator (presumably at least a BA) then did a four year honours degree in economics presumably after that (if it required NO specialised training to work in that unit).

How many years did you work as a translator?

How have you been working as an academic economist for over two decades and now as late as 2010 you described yourself as a translator?

Your other work history has to finish before 1992 before you start teaching economics.

GO!!!

.

8 Oct 12 at 8:47 am
Token: I have found it to be pretty much politics as usual.

Look, you know I think that a large element of the Right has gone as ugly as sin in terms of how it has attacked Gillard personally. I also think Abbott has been too slow to distance himself from it (not just the current Alan Jones comment, but from Alan Jones and his style of rhetoric generally.)

I am therefore struggling to take great offence at what is currently coming from the Labor Party.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 8:50 am
Steve,

Do you realise Gillard called your wife a whore?

.

8 Oct 12 at 8:53 am
Someone asked:

Has Julia Gillard ever been shown to have done any voluntary work at all?

Someone replied:

Yes. The work for Bruce Wilson was pro bono.

Hope you don’t mind but I’ve borrowed your reply, CL. I’ve used it to for good not evil purposes.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 8:59 am
AFR: Macquarie Radio hopes businesses are learning an important lesson about how social media can be turned against them.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 8:59 am
imo McTernan is up to his eyeballs in the whole abuse of Tony Abbott and Mrs Abbott thing and encouraging the weak minded ones, Roxon/Swan/Carr/Albanese.

Labor policitics, pretty much as usual.

but do I wonder why a Scotsman should run the ALP show. It’s un-Ausralian.

candy

8 Oct 12 at 9:03 am
Bolta has a good little article on the Labor smear machine, including the Australia’ Day riot proudly brought to you by Labor. Snippet:

Anyone who knows Abbott knows what a monstrous lie is being told. He is the most self-consciously moral political leader of a political party since at least Labor’s Kim Beazley, and probably long before.

This is a man who devotes some of his holidays each year to do volunteer work in Aboriginal communities.

Does Julia Gillard?

This is a man who led a blind runner in last month’s Sydney Marathon to raise money for breast cancer nurses.

Would Wayne Swan?

This is a man who this year cycled 1000km to raise $148,000 for a women’s shelter.

Did Nicola Roxon?

I mention those Labor frontbenchers – Gillard, Swan and Roxon – because they are behind this vile campaign to destroy Abbott by making his character seem other than what it is.

It is not his politics they attack. No, they try instead to make a good man seem bad, even though they know he has a record of service – to the Rural Fire Service, Aborigines and charities – they cannot match.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 9:09 am
Link

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 9:10 am
Alice is gonna sue me?

Maybe John Winston Howard can sue her.

From Pr Qu’s blog

March 2nd, 2010 at 19:43 | #15 Reply | Quote
@paul walter
League of rights is right Paul…I think you are on to something. They have a hot bed in SE QLD as well…they are some dim distant inbred relatives of Howards and the De Groot clan. Of course they are posting LP talking points. Some half bright LP had to write them first though for the lackeys to do the posting. They just follo orders. They dont make the orders. If we looked hard enough we could probably get a link through to Barnaby himself.

More of Alice’s “economics”

January 5th, 2011 at 20:40 | #22 Reply | Quote
@Tony G
There is nothing anymore efficient about the private sector than there is about the public sector than there is about any human beings in any sector.
Zombie belief number one in the ten commandments of zombie ideas (“”””efficient private sector””””) from remote control teleprompter Tony!

March 24th, 2009 at 09:21 | #14 Reply | Quote
Sean and Ben, you may be interested in the fact that Marx foresaw the problems we have now in 1894
“Formation of stock companies. Thereby…(occurs) transformation of the actually functioning capitalist into a mere manager, administrator of other people’s capital, and of the owner of the capital into a mere owner, a mere money capitalist…It produces a new financial aristocracy, a new variety of parasites in the shape of promoters, speculators, and simply nominal directors; a whole system of swindling and cheating by means of corporate promotion, stock issuance, and stock speculation.

So she’s a hardcore communist but has denied this. I wonder if she has a BA and thinks it is an economic dgeree?

Um…friends?

May 12th, 2010 at 18:58 | #17 Reply | Quote
@Philomena
Dear Philo – thankyou so much for the compliment.
Where have you been????

Implies an Australian childhood:

June 9th, 2011 at 18:48 | #5 Reply | Quote
@John Quiggin
You obviuosly never heard of the Quik choc powder we all poured into our milk in the 1960s Prof (you call yourself a boomer? I doubt it – a rear end boomer – we had to overcome warm milk somehow).

.

8 Oct 12 at 9:15 am
Dilbert intersects with the blogsphere:

Dilbert and Wally discuss opinions

Then again, with the with the quality of opinion ’round here, perhaps this would be closer to The Drum…

Steve D

8 Oct 12 at 9:29 am
Oh, the pains of moderation!

Steve D

8 Oct 12 at 9:30 am
Hmmm

http://www.nbnco.com.au/assets/documents/nbn-co-corporate-plan-6-aug-2012.pdf

p 12

The
deployment timeframe for the Fibre network has been extended by 6 months and is now
forecast to be completed by June 2021.

Wasn’t the plan to build this in seven years?

Ah, remember the original plan (thnaks wiki)?

Initial failed federal government RFP 2007/09
In the run-up to the 2007 federal election, opposition Labor party leaders announced a Labor Government would build a “super-fast” national broadband network, if elected.The network was estimated to cost A$15 billion including a government contribution of A$4.7 billion which would be raised in part by selling the Federal Government’s remaining shares in Telstra

This would be funny if I was a foreigner:

From the Aus, Aug 7 2012

The initial (sic) plan was released in December 2010 by Julia Gillard. That plan is now in tatters despite the fact before its release the Prime Minister’s Department paid corporate advisers Greenhill Caliburn $1.1 million for an initial 11 days’ work to vet the plan.

Failure

Based on its original targets, NBN Co has achieved only 9 per cent of its rollout target for homes passed by fibre and 3 per cent of the planned connections where customers are hooked up to broadband. Based on its initial estimates, by June this year 317,000 households should have been passed with fibre and 137,000 homes actually connected to a broadband service. In reality, fewer than 25,000 homes had been passed and fewer than 4000 connected.

According to Ben Grubbin the SMH, these are the cost blowouts to date:

NBN Co has unveiled a new corporate plan. It reveals NBN will cost $4.6b more than forecast to build and operate and that ugly battery backup boxes will no longer be mandatory, among other things.

Couldn’t ~~organise a root in a brothel~~ engage in graft with competence if they tried.

.

8 Oct 12 at 9:32 am
Alright, let’s go through this Sheehan takedown of Swan and Albanese.

One member of the federal cabinet is the Member for Gutter. Another is the Member for Sewer. One resides permanently in the gutter, the other resides permanently in the sewer.

A fine first paragraph… for a troll. All pretence of impartiality has been cast aside. At least we know where we stand. Sheehan is letting out a full-throated battle cry as he waves his war axe about at a sprint.

The Prime Minister was white with grief. After she spoke of her father and the military funerals, the Leader of the Opposition rose to reply.

Quoting Abbott’s reply raises a good point. Abbott was indeed gracious and dignified in his comments at the time. I think it has been a mistake of Labor to attack Abbott for his own character rather than attack him for the real problem, which is that he is the front for faceless men who are way more antediluvian than he. If Sheehan had stopped there, he might have gone somewhere.

It must be the tenor of the times, the massive amount of trolling that goes on in political discourse, via Twitter, via the internet, via social media, and via constant opinion polling.

Oh, so no trolling goes on in the pages of the Herald, Paul? Bullhockey. You are your ilk are part of that particular problem. Don’t act all high and mighty about tenor when you have just said that the Federal Treasurer lives in a sewer. You look like a fool.

Even when packaged in a suit and tie and surrounded by the gravitas of the House of Representatives, he looks and sounds like a spiv.

More namecalling. Who is taking the high moral ground here, exactly?

In preparation for this column I spent two days going through the Hansards of recent months, extracting all the personal insults that Swan has engaged in, all the outrageous distortions, all the self-praise. I’ve found the sheer amount of damning material from his own mouth can’t be contained in this confined space. It requires a chapter, not a column.

Apparently, Paul, you had so little space that you couldn’t find any for a single quote of Swan’s. Not a one. Instead, you crowded out the space with wall to wall insults of Swan by your good self.

Earlier this year I described Anthony Albanese, another member of cabinet and the leader of government business in the House, as someone who had made the gutter his permanent address. He still lives there. He’s added an extra room. But Swan has found somewhere lower to dwell. He has found the sewer.

See now, there’s a whole paragraph full of space that you could have used to quote from Hansard to illustrate your point. But no, you chose to restate your earlier assertion, with the only addition being some self aggrandisement.

Maybe you couldn’t find any quote nearly as bad as Jones’ comments, Paul, and you’re just making up this outrage you’re expressing. Maybe you realised that if you posted the worst of Swan’s invective, it would look so tame next to Jones’ disgraceful slur that it would invalidate the whole point of your article. Maybe you set out to manufacture a gotcha, but you couldn’t find anything in your two days of searching that wouldn’t make you look desperate.

It was entirely predictable that of the 102 Labor members of Federal Parliament, the two who sought to exploit the death of John Gillard for political advantage were Albanese and Swan.

Actually it was Jones who sought to exploit the death of John Gillard for a joke at a Liberal Party function. That is the only exploitation going on here. Unless you count all the political journos like you, pushing the story on and on for your own devices.

The Member for Gutter and the Member for Sewer sought to attach blame to Abbott for a distasteful remark made by the broadcaster Alan Jones about John Gillard’s death. Abbott had encouraged the ugly tone, they said, with not a shred of irony.

I doubt they ever used the word “encourage”. Swan said that Abbott gave the “green light” and “legitimacy” to such comments. This is a crucial distinction. Condoning comments is a long way from encouraging them. Abbott has not encouraged them, but he has condoned them by not going hard enough on Jones and Bernardi.

It was business as usual. These two have been alleging for months that Abbott has a personal problem with women, a scurrilous line that has no basis in fact and is overwhelmed by contrary evidence, starting with his wife and his three grown daughters who are proud of their father. I’m not suggesting that Labor has a monopoly on parliamentary boors. The Liberal shadow minister Sophie Mirabella would win the bronze medal in the boorishness competition after Swan (gold) and Albanese (silver).

As I said, I agree that attacking Abbott is a mistake. I would suggest that you could mine the National backbenches to get a few more deserving medallists.

The nastiness coming from the top of the federal government reflects the hollow moral core of a government that operates as a front for the unions and depends on the support of the moral Frankenstein of Australian politics, Craig Thomson. If Albanese resides in the gutter, and Swan the sewer, Thomson occupies a public prison of disgrace.

Equally, I could say that the nastiness coming from the top of newspaper editorials reflect the hollow moral core of journalists who operate as a front for their politician sources and depends on the support of… well actually, I was going to say the NSW ALP Right, but there’s nobody left to support Fairfax. Journos like you, Paul, are shortly to occupy a public Centrelink office of disgrace.

This is the moral foundation of the Gillard government. It is little wonder that the party grassroots are withering. Labor is about self-interest. It is about big unions and big public service bureaucracies staffed with public sector unionists who vote Labor.

A Fairfax journo lecturing politicians about withering grassroots and bloated bureaucracies, that is hilarious.

As for the Change.org stuff, internet petitions are completely irrelevant.

m0nty

8 Oct 12 at 9:34 am
I didn’t know Canberra was an area of need, nor did I know there was a shortage of political spinners in Australia. So what visa is John McTernan in the country on? I can’t believe the ALP imports their workforce from overseas given the bile it heaped on Rinehard for importing workers.

John Comnenus

8 Oct 12 at 9:36 am
John, don’t you know by now?

It’s different when they do it.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 9:38 am
Yes Gab, just shining a light on the hypocrisy of the ALP and Gillard.

John Comnenus

8 Oct 12 at 9:40 am
Dot

from Monty’s comment on your comment below

“I don’t normally do this kind of thing” (Dot)

“Actually yes Dot, you do.” (Monty)

In other words Dot thinks he is the chief censor in here? Who have you that role Dot because I am damn sure it wasnt Sinc.

So Dot reply to my question seeing as you think you have some right to investigate my life (who the fuck are you?? What the fuck have you done with your life? When did you get your first lay? Or still waiting if the level of your anger is anything to go by?).

I have nothing whatsoever to apologise for to some yapping child with a penchant for swearing and another for illogical arguments.

Now how about you tell me exactly what work you have done and where and how long since you left school and where you are undertaking your econ post grad studies and um how far have you got with that Dot?

Dot doesnt even get the difference between a figurative analogy with the use of the word translator

The dopey idiot has ASSUMED I translate languages?

So what do you actually do Dot?

Not much it seems except post extensively drivel in blogland with more basis on your own personal assumptions, fictions and beliefs than fact.

Dont ever join the police force Dot.
You would put the wrong people in Dot’s private jail.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 9:42 am
The first poll exit polls give victory to Henrique Capriles

The consultant Variance granted a victory to opposition leader by 51.3% compared to 48.06 of Chavez, the absence of school closures

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 9:45 am
The ALP occupy their own privileged position in their own eyes. Normal rules do not apply.

Steve D

8 Oct 12 at 9:46 am
I wonder how much McTernan is paid? Around $500,000 or so I guess, in his job to abuse Tony Abbott and the Liberals (but of course mostly Mr Abbott and now his wife and daughters).

They could have at least employed an Australian, at least the money would stayed in Australia, he’s probably sending most of it home to Scotland. Perhaps no Australian wanted to take the job on, I can see that, it’s scumbag work, experience necessary.

candy

8 Oct 12 at 9:48 am
I’m getting the impression that Alice is a senior policy advisor for Wayne Swan. Reading her postings and the announcements Swan has made it is apparently Alice provides the intellectual punch behind the economic statements Swan makes.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 9:49 am
Token: I have found it to be pretty much politics as usual.

Look, you know I think that a large element of the Right has gone as ugly as sin in terms of how it has attacked Gillard personally. I also think Abbott has been too slow to distance himself from it (not just the current Alan Jones comment, but from Alan Jones and his style of rhetoric generally.)

I am therefore struggling to take great offence at what is currently coming from the Labor Party.

“Look I’ll level with you – it’s all Abbott’s fault and the government front bench slurring and slandering Abbott in the media is cool because some guy on the radio doesn’t like Gillard, no don’t talk about the ABC and Fairfax it’s not the same because“.

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 9:57 am
So Dot reply to my question seeing as you think you have some right to investigate my life (who the fuck are you?? What the fuck have you done with your life? When did you get your first lay? Or still waiting if the level of your anger is anything to go by?).

Because you relied on an argument from authority to hold onto a very stupid position. You refused to accept the data.

Alice.

I have met people here on this blog before and I am not fabricating my life history to win an argument.

Please tell us the other British hospital(s) you worked in and for how long.

It is rather bizzare that you didn’t deny being a translator when it was brought up before but only do so now when it was put to you that you could not possibly have done this.

If I’m making assumptions, please fill in the details.

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8 Oct 12 at 10:03 am
internet petitions are completely irrelevant.

But you love them so. mOron.

Tiny Dancer

8 Oct 12 at 10:07 am
Alice reckons “the pirvate sector is no more efficient that the public sector”

Let’s look at China. It is from wiki and I accept criticism of the data being incorrect if an alternative can be published.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Prc1952-2005gdp.gif

What kind of economics academic would argue against such metrics?

You can actually see the “Great Leap Forward” and “Cultural Revolution” destroyed economic growth.

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8 Oct 12 at 10:07 am
I am surprised to see Alice has such a history as a commenter (troll?) on other sites, showing a familiarity with Marx etc and now claiming economic expertise. I had thought she was a pretty genuine older lady who had picked up a few wrong ideas about privatisation and globalisation from things like supermarket shopping, Dick Smith’s pamphlets and some of the radio shock jocks. Seems I was wrong, (although she could yet prove me right).

I hope she can keep up in her new role as economist because in that regard this site has major intellectual firepower that I, for one, wouldn’t take on lightly.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

8 Oct 12 at 10:07 am
I wonder what John Gillard would think of Gillard’s actions? Of not accepting a public apology, of allowing her attack dog ministers to get mileage out of his death and her grief over his death, of allowing her pack of mongrel ministers to link Abbott to Alan Jones’ words…I’m just wondering if he would be ashamed of her now or proud of this three-ringed circus that she could put an end to in a nano-second. It seems the only raison d’être for Labor is to attack Abbott, not to manage the county successfully, and to shut down free press – especially using Alan Jones as yet another reason the press should be regulated by the government. A response that is the antithesis to a democracy. How proud would he be?

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 10:08 am
Dot – So now that you have assumed the right to some knowledge about my life that you decided of your own free will to investigate (why I wouldnt know), none of which I have any regrets or shame about and make no apologies for, especially not to you, a complete stranger…

and now that you have, after extensive investigations, satisfied youself I am somehow impersonating someone else (quite who I dont know?) which has also probably bored the crap out of everyone here this morning

provide some details now on your own life busy body!

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 10:09 am
If the puff pieces in The Dumb get any lighter Mark Scott is going to have to hit up the taxpayer for a paperweight in next year’s budget.

Naturally the author, a Gruen Planet panelist, can’t help getting a little moist for Malcolm. Moist for Malcolm would be a great campaign slogan – if a touch musselman-ish.

H B Bear

8 Oct 12 at 10:11 am
No, fill in the details Alice.

What bores the crap out of people is the lies you make up to justify your petty arguments and want for free stuff at the cost of everyone else.

You’re busted Alice, busted.

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8 Oct 12 at 10:12 am
The Dumb is proving a rich source of ALPBC wrong headedness today.

A new source of environmental concern – places that look nice. Too bad if you are a mangrove swamp I guess.

H B Bear

8 Oct 12 at 10:16 am
So Alice, can you explain Chinese economic growth post reforms if ‘the pirvate sector is no more efficient than the piublic sector’?

This is your chance to skwewer any doubt we have about your excellence as an academic and as an economist.

I must ask you however, why you think it is wrong for economists to advise banks how to maximise the return on invested and levered funds? Is it wrong for consumer advisory, let alone financial advisers to tell depositors which banks offer them the most value with term deposits and debentures, given probable yield curve outcomes?

The impression that I have is that you believe that banks should be inefficient. What purpose does this serve?

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8 Oct 12 at 10:17 am
Do you also want to explain to candy why QE III will make traders like JC wealthy?

You have argued from authority before.

Fine, if you are an authority, please enlighten us all, if you can.

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8 Oct 12 at 10:19 am
I wonder what John Gillard would think of Gillard’s actions? Of not accepting a public apology, of allowing her attack dog ministers to get mileage out of his death and her grief over his death, of allowing her pack of mongrel ministers to link Abbott to Alan Jones’ words…

You must wonder what a man of traditional values would think of a daughter who had got involved with 2 married women and through that process was facilitated major fraud on a state government & union members.

I’m sure in the valleys of Wales where he was raised they’d have strong opinions such a girl. Working class Welshmen I’ve met sure had no tolerance for such.

Yet the love and care of a parent often means they forgive in their children that which they would find intollerable in others.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 10:25 am
Last week AJ gave time to advertise an eisteddfod for Autistic children for free. The result is the Green-slimer astro-turf organisation attacked the charitable organisation and demanded that boycott the show.

Pack of deranged hyenas.

Do you have a link, Token, please?

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 10:25 am
You can still love your children and yet also be ashamed of their actions.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 10:27 am
Alice, the public sector can’t be as efficient as the private sector. Firstly it gets 15% superannuation, it works half an hour a week less than the private sector, unlike the private sector it has RDO and flex days and gets paid incidentals to travel. So it costs a lot more to run the public service than the private sector. So it can’t be competitive on cost efficiency, it mus be hyper productive producing……………………………….
regulations that stifle the st of the economy, intrude on our lives and generate more income for the public sector.

John Comnenus

8 Oct 12 at 10:29 am
TONY Abbott has declared it’s important that the Coalition attracts more women, and is confident the party will have boosted its female ranks after the next election.

The comments came after retiring LNP senator Sue Boyce told The Courier-Mail her own party was failing to attract enough women to Parliament.

Wrong reply, Abbott. The Coalition needs to attract more competent people, regardless of gender. Don’t fall for the PC crap.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 10:31 am
Don’t fall for the PC crap.

Couldn’t agree more, Gab. It is a mistake as well to believe that men and women are equally interested in some careers and therefore the numbers should equalise. It is not a numeric thing. Men and women are different. Good, high-flying, competent AND interested women: they are the ones who will rise to the top in politics regardless. Remember Maggie. Let that happen, and don’t force it.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

8 Oct 12 at 10:40 am
Interesting fact, I wonder if Alice has trouble reading, she has slowed down since we asked her some real questions about the field she alleges she is an expert in…

http://www.afr.com/p/opinion/yes_minister_you_can_crank_up_the_iV0wm4YwZFQyKPq0J8uOeK

Australia’s public service sector is larger than the mining and manufacturing sectors combined. Including public, private and not-for-profit providers, it accounts for 15 per cent to 20 per cent of the national economy and around a quarter of the nation’s workforce.

15% of the output with 25% of the workforce?

Simple maths shows that the private sector is around 88.9% more efficient than the public sector.

Can you defend your earlier claims, Alice?

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8 Oct 12 at 10:45 am
I suggest open threads just be renamed in future the “Gillard is a Marriage Wrecker Thread – Part 24″ etc, and be done with.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 10:46 am
It’s like feeding time at the zoo over at The Age today as the children editors unleash the unemployed Occupy youth in comments on Alan Jones. The share price, meanwhile, teeters over the abyss.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 10:50 am
Own up, Dogshit. Are you the one who gave our prime minister gonorrhea? Or was it another one of the Labor one-night stands?

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 10:54 am
It is happening here too with their distant antipodean relatives…

Frustrated Residents: Raccoons Slowly Taking Over New York City
Some Who Live In Brooklyn Are Literally Having Their Lives Altered By Critters

Tasers.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 10:54 am
Fot those joining us late, Steve is a strictly ‘conservative’ ‘lifelong Liberal’ and devout ‘Catholic.’

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 10:54 am
Given that Gillard has personally approved using her deceased father as a battering ram, legitimate questions can now be asked of her loyalty and decency.

She’s leaning a lot, don’t forget, on ALP hate czar McTernan – who now runs the government. McTernan was interviewed by police in Britain – he has that in common with a growing list of Gillard-linked individuals.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 10:58 am
Do you have a link, Token, please?

I’ll see what 2GB posts, but as it was a phone call discussion I’m not sure the conversation will be posted. Jones noted that the charity had been badgered by the slimers in a similar way to the commercial orginisations.

I posted it as I believe it is important to flag how amoral the people persecuting this political campaign are.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 11:01 am
WELFARE groups have asked the United Nations to intervene in federal government plans to shift 100,000 single mums off parenting payments and onto the dole.

The government wants single parents, who are mostly mothers, moved to the Newstart allowance when their youngest child turns eight.

What freaking business is it of the UN? Why do these “welfare groups” think the UN governs Australia and sets the policies?

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 11:01 am
More in Alician economics:

August 26th, 2010 at 06:58 | #16 Reply | Quote
@Chris Warren

There is something else which will reduce unemployment we seem to have forgotten all about in this country – public investment. Broadband is a start but the government could be doing a whole lot more than running around saying “well we have made all these lovely models and now we will leave it to the market and then they open the doors to all and sundry unethical large international firms to fly in – rip out maximum profits for very little employment and little tax – fly the profits out and leave their mess behind for us to clean up in the name of “free trade” ie economic plunder.

So, how did the NBN work out, given that it is over budget by almost 10% already, and already four years behind schedule, has 3% of market penetration it was meant to have? What is the IRR of the NBN – is it negative or less than the cost of capital – you inferred before with banks that you believe inefficiency is a good thing. You also told us that finance and economics must be divorced.

What subjects do you teach, exactly?

You also have a very poor, sub undergraduate understanding of the reasons for, nature of and impacts of foreign direct investment in Australia.

See the authoritative BIE/PC (1996) report here:

http://www.pc.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/31594/53offshore.pdf

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8 Oct 12 at 11:04 am
Hamish McSporran will join a long line of failed UK spin doctors. Their class war rhetoric doesn’t work without the row upon row of council houses and permanent welfare dependent underclass to hear it.

Despite Labor’s best efforts, Australia is a long way off joining the UK decline.

H B Bear

8 Oct 12 at 11:10 am
Dot, if you get a degree in Marxist economics (BmEc?) are you required to display a warning to protect students: “Marxist economics cannot be used to operate a business…” etc etc etc.?

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 11:16 am
Gillard ‘government’ approves of online Jones attacks.

That’s good, Laborites. Because you aint seen nothing yet.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 11:21 am
Thug McTernan wrote:

Playing nasty card might get results

["nasty" being his euphemism for inventing lies and a general personal smear campaign. Hey, if you can't beat them on facts - just lie.]

‘MUGGERS. Sex offenders. Burglars. Vote SNP.” That would be one side of my campaign leaflet if I was running Scottish Labour’s campaign. On the other would be a mock-up of a “Get Out of Jail Free” card with the strapline: “The SNP want to free 8,000 prisoners.” Negative? Oh yes. A mighty row? Yep. Effective? Without a doubt.

There are a lot of myths about political campaigning. Top of these is the idea that negative campaigning never works.

A lot of people believe that because whenever they are asked the public declare that they hate negative campaigns and swear that they are never moved by them.

As is often the case, voters are saying what they’d like to believe about themselves rather than describing how they actually act. Around the world, campaign after campaign shows that fear beats hope. And why wouldn’t it? After all, politics is a contact sport.

But the point, of course, is not the punch itself – it’s the connection. An attack on SNP policy on crime would serve Iain Gray in a number of ways. First, it would show he is up for a fight. Anyone who has seen him in action in Holyrood at First Minister’s Questions knows that he is a scrapper, not a shrinking violet. But that knowledge is currently shared only by those who watch television coverage of the Scottish Parliament, or, in other words, by pensioners, students, the unemployed and political obsessives.

Everyone who aspires to public office has to be, at least in part, an intellectual thug. It’s not pretty, but the public’s view is straightforward – if you won’t fight for your own job, why should I believe that you’ll fight for mine. Whatever you think about Alex Salmond, no-one doubts that he’s up for a fight.
…
Michael Heseltine was once asked for advice by someone thinking of becoming an MP. “Don’t do it,” he said, “if you’re only thinking of becoming one.” His point – you need to want it. How do you become First Minister of Scotland? Simple. Malcolm X was right: “By any means necessary.” If you’re not prepared to follow his advice, you should avoid politics as a career.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 11:23 am
You can still love your children and yet also be ashamed of their actions.

We’ll never know.

I’m sure Mr Gillard was a class act with real working class moral values, and would never speak ill of one of his own even if they strayed from what he deemed acceptable behaviour.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 11:24 am
The Coalition should be making McTernan a household name. They should be getting it out there that a posh Pommy is now running the government.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 11:28 am
From CL’s link “Gillard ‘government’ approves of online Jones attacks”.

The Australian has contacted Communications Minister Stephen Conroy, who has championed the push against cyber-bullying, for comment.

I’d love to hear comment on whether this is cyber-bullying or just flat out abuse of his priviledged ministerial position.

In all the faux outrage over Jones this story is being buried.

MEDIA outlets face new ownership restrictions, a public interest test and the introduction of laws protecting the privacy of individuals under industry reforms being finalised by the government.

…Communications Minister Stephen Conroy and Wayne Swan are leading a push for a stronger suite of reforms to curb the influence of media organisations, particularly newspapers, according to senior government sources.

FFS.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 11:30 am
[H/t Bolta]

Token

8 Oct 12 at 11:31 am
A new questionnaire for you dotty:

Please tell us what year you were born?
How many years did you train as an economist?
How many years you worked as an economist?
Are you currently working?
In what position?
If you are working, how do you find so much time for posting on this blog?

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 11:32 am
Alice doesn’t understand macroeconomics:

Alice
October 1st, 2010 at 09:55 | #12 Reply | Quote

The micro nature of modern macro does not help. It hinders us all to have economists with no courage for the big issues, with no courage to speak out, who subjugate their intelligence to mindless petty problems and intricacies deep inside a statisical programme writing in a language only their haughty cohorts can understand – perhaps even specialising in out how banks can make even more money from the rest of us. It really is completely exasperating when the big picture just sails straight past them unnoticed.

Again Alice has problems with banks being run at a profit. Perhaps she’d like to wipe off t hundreds of billions that are invested in superannuation?

Of course I’m sure Alice, in her world where supply and demand are not analytical tools, where prices and profits are not signals where society ought to allocate goods and commodities to, has developed a cogent thesis with empirical proof as to why Kydland and Prescott were wrong.

Alice you have also denied that you care passionately about paying $4 for a bottle of milk.

September 3rd, 2010 at 19:29 | #22 Reply | Quote
@Donald Oats
The news is deliberately trying to make an idiot out of Katter but frankly Donald – if he doesnt go back and beat some sense into his electirates heads like he threatened to do, and if he continues to support the “slimy dog” liberals (his words not mine) after all they have done with the wretched free trade agreement and after all they didnt do about Coles and Woolies (and have no intention of doing anything to fox either the mess of free trade or the obscene oligopoly in our grocery market).

It isn’t an oligopoly. There are minor players everywhere (corner shops, farmers markets, eBay), margins are low and there are at least two other major players in addition to the big two (Aldi and IGA on ina ddition to WOW and Coles). Also add in regional supermarkets like foodworks.

Jarrah has nailed Alice’s stupidity and blind hatred of productive people before:

Jarrah
September 11th, 2010 at 09:44 | #11 Reply | Quote
@Alice
OK, I can understand your concern about accounting tricks. I don’t think they could hide very much, though. If I were being very generous to your thesis, at a guess they could be hiding a couple of billion. That is, that they actually made $4 billion, for a margin of approx 8%. That would be a huge trick, but I suppose it’s possible.
So, 8%. Is that “obscene” levels of profit?
For comparison, here are some numbers from big companies, some of which have dominating market power. The 5-year average net profit margin for Microsoft is 28.1%. For Google, 24.7%. For General Electric, 11.3%. Exxon Mobil, 9.5%. For Walmart, 3.6%, which is the same as Toyota.
You get the idea, but this last one is interesting – the average over the whole S&P500 over five years is 11.2%.
What I’m trying to say is, maybe the eeeevil supermarket giants aren’t actually squeezing producers and consumers as much as you’d like to think.

Alice opposes money and wants to return to a barter society:

Alice
April 1st, 2010 at 20:46 | #12 Reply | Quote
@charles
Money gives them a reason to be stupid and a nuisance to human advance. Its always been the way. What are your values? Human advance or engineered obstructionist stupidity for some short term individual profit maximising reason?
They dont call it the root of all evil for nothing.

Alice believes in chartalism and an extreme form of the Philips curve. Inflaiton doesn’t hurt the little guy

May 19th, 2011 at 19:51 | #2 Reply | Quote
There is one thing that has become so terribly obvious with living with a lower inflation target and the hammering of higher interest rates every time it threatens to move outside the lowest of low bands. It rewards capital at the expense of labour. Central bank obsession with inflation is an oppression of a sorts. It sacrifices unemployment on the alter of capital security (capital laissez faire). It is, in itself the most obscene redistribution to the rich.

That is all.

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8 Oct 12 at 11:32 am
Maybe Alice taught high school economics when the real teacher was sick. They are often short of properly-trained teachers and call in anyone with half a claim to teach it in an emergency.

Over on Steve Kates’ thread with the bar chart, Steve recommends his book for further elucidation of the trickier points. Go, Alice. amazon.com 4 U

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

8 Oct 12 at 11:32 am
Communications Minister Stephen Conroy and Wayne Swan are leading a push for a stronger suite of reforms to curb the influence of media organisations…

Nazi scum.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 11:34 am
Token, I see above you have assumed Mercedes Benz supports Mugabe because Mugabe’s car is a Merc. Did Merc donate the car? If not, how do you propose Mercedes Benz reposses the car?

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 11:34 am
That’s good, Laborites. Because you aint seen nothing yet.

Such as? Jones-ites taking to the streets because they can’t work out where their nearest Merc dealer is if Alan doesn’t tell them?

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 11:35 am
Ah, the lads have finally received today’s ALP talking points..

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 11:36 am
A new questionnaire for you dotty:

Fuck off. You didn’t even answer the first one, and you still try on this “honest broker” bullshit.

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8 Oct 12 at 11:38 am
Sunday TV ratings: Bolt slowly destroying Insiders.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 11:38 am
I do hope Dot is enjoying talking to himself while he runs around repeating, like a demented parrot
“bullshitter!” “ah ha – I got you”
“youre busted Alice”
Busted by who and for what crime? By Dot the pipsqueak and for commenting on blogs?

You obviously dont really want to know what I think about governments of both persuasions Dot and nor do you want to know what I think about the failed economics policies coming from both sides of the political spectrum aided and abetted by people just like you on either side who think tribally and actually dont yet even understand enough about economics to know you are not thinking at all.

Just like you Dot, there are millions around the world that join a club, stay in it and are simply parroting. They dont even have the balls to change their vote even when confronted with utter stupidity by governments (left or right or whatever – both words are an anthema to me because they are used by two audiences in a football stadium to hurl abuse and rocks at each other and neither group looks up to see its raining crap from the sky)

Analogy Dot? Recall that word?

Much like you squawk in the stadium Dot.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 11:39 am
“Around the world, campaign after campaign shows that fear beats hope.”

That’s terribly cheerless, rather depressing really, wonder if McTernan is an atheist.

candy

8 Oct 12 at 11:43 am
Gillard ‘government’ approves of online Jones attacks.

So, illegal spamming and denial of service is approved by the government…

Lazlo

8 Oct 12 at 11:46 am
Alice

You think that sub market average profit margins are obscene, we should increase inflation, we ought to tax companies for success, ignore microeconomics, ignore price signals, abandon supply and demand, that studying the economics of banking is immoral, banks ought to inefficient, economists cannot move to the finance sector without breaking some previously unknown moral rule, free trade hurts those who drop tariffs, foreign direct investment in Australia hurts us, the private sector is less efficient than the public sector. Your beliefs defy logic, empirical evidence (you can’t explain why China pre reforms was so poor and they are an emerging economy now) and the literature of academic economists. You deny being a communist but make several references to Marx being a prophet par excellence.

If you are an economist you really are an outlier and I have never met anyone with these beliefs. Your analysis is emotive and neither positive nor normative.

Please just tell me what subjects you teach at university (I don’t want to know where) and I’ll leave you alone.

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8 Oct 12 at 11:48 am
Actually dotty, I did answer you survey in great detail. Presumably you were trolling rather than wanting the information. So now it’s your turn:

Please tell us what year you were born?
How many years did you train as an economist?
What is your qualification?
Which institution granted your qualification?
How many years have you worked as an economist?
Are you currently working?
In what position?
If you are working, how do you find so much time for posting on this blog?

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 11:51 am
Actually dotty, I did answer you survey in great detail.

Not to the detail I prescribed. Fuck off.

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8 Oct 12 at 11:53 am
I’ll admit I am surprised Bolt’s show has done so well.

I remain puzzled by the afternoon figures – 4pm on a Sunday is about the last time slot of the week I would thought that anyone – even those interested in politics – would turn a TV to watch a show about it. I’ve always wondered whether it just rates well because a bunch of pensioners have fallen asleep in front of the telly on a Sunday afternoon.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 11:53 am
Steve C

You are running interference for Alice now.

Do you believe in the bullshit she does?

I cannot see any other reason why other than you were angry that we called your bullshit on being an “honest broker”.

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8 Oct 12 at 11:55 am
I’ve always wondered whether it just rates well because a bunch of pensioners have fallen asleep in front of the telly on a Sunday afternoon.

Is that where you have your afternoon kip, old timer?

Infidel Tiger

8 Oct 12 at 12:00 pm
They’re pretty simple questions dotty. You claim to be an economist but are not prepared to provide any details.
I cannot see any other reason why other than you were angry that I called your bullshit on being an “economist”.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 12:01 pm
I wonder what John Gillard would think of Gillard’s actions?

I’m sorry, Gab, but I think we’re going to have to get up an online petition to boycot you.

How dare you say something like that????

nilk

8 Oct 12 at 12:03 pm
Okay let’s say I’m not an economist. Whatever. It isn’t a well loved profession.

I know more about economics than Alice who reckons she is a university professor but denies all empirical evidence as to why she is wrong about socialism, inflation, international trade and investment…etc.

I’d just like to know what she teaches, since she rejects everything economists have apparently learned.

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8 Oct 12 at 12:04 pm
He’s working on his phd SteveC, you fucking douchebag. Enough people know Dot to say the claim is true.

Hey, how did Kimberly your plastic sex doll like the holiday is WA? I presume she didn’t like traveling as unaccompanied luggage, yea?

JC

8 Oct 12 at 12:05 pm
Make sure the petition is run through change.org, Nilk. I hear they even have the dead signing the petition to silence Jones.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 12:06 pm
This is taking rule 5 a bit too far.

Rudiau

8 Oct 12 at 12:07 pm
I don’t usually nap on Sundays, IT. Yesterday I spent a lot of time creating a bit of wall art in the garage, on a cheap canvas bought from the discount variety shop.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 12:08 pm
DOWN WITH GAB.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 12:08 pm
Misogynist!

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 12:09 pm
Anyone else finding the Cat rather slow today?

OT only at 500 plus but it’s already bitching about it.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 12:10 pm
Dotty you also claim to be (or have been) a lecturer.
A lecturer in what? Is that part time to give you so much time to post here? Was it/is it a government funded position?

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 12:11 pm
I want to know what economic credentials stevec has?

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 12:12 pm
Yesterday I spent a lot of time creating a bit of wall art in the garage, on a cheap canvas bought from the discount variety shop.

Good on you, Steve. That’s an excellent pastime. Please spend more time doing that.

Dangph

8 Oct 12 at 12:12 pm
I remain puzzled by the afternoon figures – 4pm on a Sunday is about the last time slot of the week I would thought that anyone – even those interested in politics – would turn a TV to watch a show about it.

That’s because you’re a dunce and know as much about the mass media as you do about successful blogging. Have you caught your kids laughing at you? Do they call you a loser when you attempt to assert your authority?

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 12:14 pm
Well, there you go. I assumed dot was some sort of economist-y person. Just an accountant?

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 12:14 pm
No economics credentials Gab, have not claimed to have any, and rarely enter an economics debate.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 12:15 pm
Steve

I used to post more prolifically here when I worked in the private sector.

Soon used to run this blog when he was promoted from a cut throat transfer price assessor to higher up in a big firm. He blogs less now he is a semi academic guy now.

You got called for your “honest broker” bullshit. Get over it. It is sad you’d align yourself with Alice’s whacky ideas because of a grudge. I almost feel sorry for you.

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8 Oct 12 at 12:15 pm
Tom’s SDS (Steve Derangement Syndrome) continues unabated, I see.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 12:15 pm
Sorry Steves, you have me confused with Ross Gittins.

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8 Oct 12 at 12:16 pm
Obama Doctrine: Admin Withdrew Special Forces Team From Libya One Month Before Attack

The subpoena compels Lt. Col. Wood to appear at a House Oversight Committee hearing next week that will examine security decisions leading up to the Sept. 11 Muslim extremist terror assault on the U.S. compound at Benghazi. U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three of his colleagues were killed in the attack.

Lt. Col. Wood has told CBS News and congressional investigators that his 16-member team and a six-member State Department elite force called a Mobile Security Deployment team left Libya in August, just one month before the Benghazi assault. Wood says that’s despite the fact that US officials in Libya wanted security increased, not decreased.

Wood says he met daily with Stevens and that security was a constant challenge. There were 13 threats or attacks on western diplomats and officials in Libya in the six months leading up to the September 11 attack.

A senior State Department official told CBS News that half of the 13 incidents before September 11 were fairly minor or routine in nature, and that the Benghazi attack was so lethal and overwhelming, that a diplomatic post would not be able to repel it.

Wood, whose team arrived in February, says he and fellow security officials were very worried about the chaos on the ground. He says they tried to communicate the danger to State Department officials in Washington, D.C., but that the officials denied requests to enhance security.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 12:17 pm
The Obama death panel in the making.

Hospitals who re-admit patients within 30 days after they were discharged will now have to, under an Obamacare provision, pay fines as of October 1, 2012, which could force hospitals to slash programs that help the elderly, the poor, and the chronically ill.

According to a study, “about two-thirds of the hospitals serving Medicare patients, or some 2,200 facilities, will be hit with penalties averaging around $125,000 per facility this coming year.”

This provision was inserted into Obamacare as a cost-cutting measure, but it will force hospitals to give the poor, elderly, and chronically ill substandard care.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 12:18 pm
Tom’s SDS (Steve Derangement Syndrome) continues unabated, I see

Thankfully nobody suffering Steve Derangement Syndrome could be as deranged as nasty leftist turd and liar, liar-steve™.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 12:21 pm
No Steve, Tom is merely following this blogs rules on how to treat trolls.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 12:24 pm
He sounds just like Gillard who’s another one that hates pensioners and doesn’t think them worthy of support becuase “they don’t vote Labor”.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 12:24 pm
Sorry Steves, you have me confused with Ross Gittins.

I’m sure there are book-keepers working day and night to become qualified accountants who would be demoralised if they realised that is what they’ll beecome.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 12:27 pm
so, no economics quals for dotty. Perhaps no quals at all. Though I’m still intrigued by the claim to be a lecturer. Possibly no job – given his volume of posts. Probably not old enough to have experienced an economic downturn prior to the GFC. Will keep all that in mind when reviewing future posts.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 12:30 pm
Updated election forecasting model still points to Romney win, University of Colorado study says

An update to an election forecasting model announced by two University of Colorado professors in August continues to project that Mitt Romney will win the 2012 presidential election.

According to their updated analysis, Romney is projected to receive 330 of the total 538 Electoral College votes. President Barack Obama is expected to receive 208 votes — down five votes from their initial prediction — and short of the 270 needed to win.

The new forecast by political science professors Kenneth Bickers of CU-Boulder and Michael Berry of CU Denver is based on more recent economic data than their original Aug. 22 prediction. The model itself did not change.

“We continue to show that the economic conditions favor Romney even though many polls show the president in the lead,” Bickers said. “Other published models point to the same result, but they looked at the national popular vote, while we stress state-level economic data.”

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 12:32 pm
Rasmussen: Daily Swing State Tracking Poll

In the 11 swing states, the president earns 49% support to Mitt Romney’s 47%. One percent (1%) likes another candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided.

This is the closest the race has been since September 29 and is Romney’s best showing since the middle of last month. Because this survey is based on findings from the previous seven days, most of the responses still are prior to Romney’s debate win on Wednesday night. But the Republican challenger has been gaining ground and the president losing it since Friday.

In 2008, Obama won these states by a combined margin of 53% to 46%, virtually identical to his national margin.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 12:33 pm
Wow. The lies just keep on coming:

Mumbrella has learned that the Mercedes Benz Sydney dealer group gave a month’s notice of ending their advertising arrangement, as per the terms of its contract with 2GB on September 19 – three days before Jones made his offensive comments

Jones on 2GB this morning said Mercedes-Benz actually made that decision even earlier – two weeks before his comment:

Jones said Mercedes-Benz actually withdrew their advertising before his comments about the prime minister’s father were published.

But after Jones’ made the remark for which he’s apologised, Mercedes-Benz pretended it had actually made that decision from high principle:

The car company’s corporate communications manager, David McCarthy, says Mercedes-Benz has demanded Jones return the black 2012 S-Class given to him as part of his sponsorship deal.
Advertisement

“We want the car back, the deal is cancelled, it is over,” Mr McCarthy told News Limited.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/playing_politics_mercedes_benz_caught_out_exploiting_the_jones_fuss/

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 12:34 pm
Mercedes-Benz is run by communists who support gotcha campaigns by political radicals to damage small business.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 12:35 pm
Moreover, McCarthy’s demand Jones return the car misrepresents – and nastily – the arrangement under which Jones drove it:

MACQUARIE Radio Network’s managing director Robert Loewenthal … said the car was never provided to Mr Jones as part of any “sponsorship deal”. He said the car was given to the radio station and it was the radio station who provided it to Mr Jones.

One thing to bear in mind: McCarthy is also president of gay and lesbian radio station Joy 94.9.

Joy 94.9, when it talks politics, does so from a position on the far Left. McCarthy himself concedes:

People will assume I’m left-of-centre…

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 12:35 pm
Snap! Sorry, Gab.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 12:36 pm
so, no economics quals for dotty. Perhaps no quals at all.

Well, certainly nothing that helps with anger management…

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 12:38 pm
A MAN who claimed he was tricked into ferrying 37 asylum seekers into Australian waters has been found guilty of people smuggling.

Amerudin Hasan was charged with people smuggling after being caught on an Indonesian fishing boat intercepted by the navy on October 1, 2010, at Ashmore Reef – more than 300km off Australia’s coast.
…
“He says he was tricked … he said he was angered because he knows what is going to happen when he gets to Australia,” Mr Todd told the court during closing submissions last week.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/tricked-people-smuggler-found-guilty/story-e6frfku9-1226490657896#ixzz28fh8Uca9

Good outcome.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 12:42 pm
McTernan was interviewed by police in Britain – he has that in common with a growing list of Gillard-linked individuals.

John Mcternan:

On his time in Southwark, he says: ”I learnt you can be the cleverest person in the room – and I was by miles – but you still have to win the votes. I learnt the hard way that you can’t call people idiots.”

McTernan’s job is not so much day-to-day media management and monitoring, though he does do some of that, but to keep the government’s message on track.

If that means yelling at journalists, backbenchers or ministers who stray, McTernan is more than happy to oblige.

He relishes his potty-mouthed, hard-man reputation and invites comparisons to Malcolm Tucker, the spin doctor at the heart of the cult BBC series The Thick of It.

Labor brings this man out to lead their “civil” political dirt unit.

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 12:45 pm
CARACAS, Venezuela
Venezuela electoral council says Hugo Chavez wins presidential vote

What a surprise.

Rudiau

8 Oct 12 at 12:45 pm
Steve C, I am sure you would tribally oppose anything I ever wrote despite being your intellectual superior.

You side with Alice who has a made up career and thinks that banks are better run when they are forced to lose money. Alice then blames the private sector, which was forced to lose money, for the resulting GFC.

You’re a crackpot.

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8 Oct 12 at 12:46 pm
I will be shocked if the idiot leftwing gay activist zombie PR man David McCarthy is still employed by Mercedes-Benz at 5pm. Your little cyber-terrorism campaign is going well, ey, Dogshit’s Best Friend. No sign of a backlash anywhere. No way! The revolution’s here! Fuck off, evil capitalist pigs! We’re going to kill you all.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 12:48 pm
Leftards like McCarthy will choose backslaps over the truth every time. I mean have you ever seen an ideology so rooted in insecurity?

Rousie

8 Oct 12 at 12:49 pm
Is John Mcternan a racist Tory?

On his time in Southwark, he says: ”I learnt you can be the cleverest person in the room – and I was by miles – but you still have to win the votes.

Southwark Council is one of the biggest and most economically diverse of London’s inner boroughs, where just one-third of its quarter of a million people own their own homes and 20% of ratepayers are African.

Just what is he saying?

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 12:53 pm
I got the strangest feeling that this thread is going to turn in to a fight about Coles and Woolies… not sure why.

Alex Pundit

8 Oct 12 at 12:54 pm
dot, my eyes glaze over when you and Alice argue about economics. I simply find it amusing you demand to know the qualifications of your opponent while steadfastly refusing to supply the same information about yourself.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 1:08 pm
I got the strangest feeling that this thread is going to turn in to a fight about Coles and Woolies… not sure why.

That’s the moron Malice.

When SteveC is on board it’s usually much worse than that.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 1:11 pm
dot, my eyes glaze over when you and Alice argue about economics.

I don’t care.

Your eyes glaze over when any higher order thinking is required.

Fuck off you worm.

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8 Oct 12 at 1:13 pm
Dogshit’s Best Friend, you are a troll and come here solely for the purpose of picking fights. Therefore no-one here will or is required to give you common courtesy or any sense that you in any way belong in this community. You get that? Fuck off.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 1:15 pm
Dot is Dottier than I thought

“Steve C, I am sure you would tribally oppose anything I ever wrote despite being your intellectual superior.”

Steve get used to it. Dot says I’m a liar even though he wouldnt know his bum from his head and you are are an intellectualy inferior crackpot.

Nothing quite like calling everyone else liars and crackpots on the prima facie evidence of disagreement with Dot in Cat.

Still, look on the bright side – “Liar” and “Crackpot” is pretty tame from Dot – almost a compliment.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 1:19 pm
Flashback: John Mcternan tells Murri Murri woman and low level ALP hack that she will be the patsy for the Australia Day race riot that he engineered that ended with one of his junior staff fleeing the country:

Ms Sattler, who said she was “hiding” in Canberra after media laid siege to her husband’s home, revealed Ms Gillard’s new communication guru, John McTernan, had phoned her before noon to inform her she would be publicly named.

Ms Sattler revealed she told Mr McTernan, a former Blair government staffer, that she had a right to her privacy being protected.

“He said, ‘well, we are going to release your name‘. He said, ‘we’re going to have a press conference and we are going to name you‘.

That was after this:

“I spoke to Tony Hodges on the phone,” she[Sattler] reportedly told political journalist Samantha Maiden.

“He mentioned that Tony Abbott had made a statement about the embassy, that it shouldn’t exist at all,” she said.

“He said, `you might want to get someone to respond to that’. He said, `By the way, he is next door at The Lobby (restaurant) at the function’.

Labors “civil” politics.

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 1:20 pm
Alan Jones claiming to be bullied reminds me of Miss Trunchbull in Roald Dahl’s “Matilda”

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 1:25 pm
Alice

Explain how inflation helps the working classes and the indigent.

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8 Oct 12 at 1:26 pm
How is the phd going dot?

sdfc

8 Oct 12 at 1:26 pm
Oh and Dotty swho now says

“Alice who claims to be a university professor”

If I stay here long enough Dot will have me claiming to be the VC.

I never claimed to be a university professor in economics btw (Can I call you the liar now?) but I can say now I have lectured and taught economics way longer than you little boy, who is apparently an accountant doing his phd in econ and had not yet finished? Welcome to the thousands of others doing just that Dot.

I hope you develop a deeper level of understanding and a gentler method of argument than that which you display here.
ie learn to keep the dummy in your mouth.

Frankly I no longer understand why anyone would want to do a phd in economics the way the “science” is at the moment (more like a fractured fairy tale).

Where exactly did you say you lectured economics Dotty? I might know someone who knows you.
I certainly hope you can keep your head in the classroom.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 1:30 pm
Good thanks sfdc.

Hope you’re making a killing.

Alice

Can you explain how inflation helps the indigent.

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8 Oct 12 at 1:33 pm
Alan Jones claiming to be bullied reminds me of Miss Trunchbull in Roald Dahl’s “Matilda”

You listen to Alan Jones?

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 1:34 pm
Frankly I no longer understand why anyone would want to do a phd in economics the way the “science” is at the moment (more like a fractured fairy tale).

Where exactly did you say you lectured economics Dotty? I might know someone who knows you.

You don’t know anything about economics but you “might know someone”.

Fuck off.

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8 Oct 12 at 1:34 pm
Run your ideas past me Dot on how inflation helps the working class and I will critique your response.

Get the protocol of who tests who straight.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 1:34 pm
Oh I see – Dot doesnt want to tell me where he lectures economics (ie at what uni) in case I might just know someone who knows Dot

so I get told to “fuck off”.
Another dummy spit.
Im beginning to think you might just be the liar Dot.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 1:36 pm
Alice

You haven’t explained anything of what you spouted.

Why must Coles and Woolies have sub normal profit margins? Why must banks be inefficient? Why does inflation help the unemployed, pensioners, those who are renting and are trying to buy their first home, etc?

You can go away after an adequate explanation is given.

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8 Oct 12 at 1:36 pm
Run your ideas past me Dot on how inflation helps the working class and I will critique your response.

That’s your idea, shithead.

in case I might just know someone who knows Dot

I don’t know any Marxist macrame lecturers. I avoid them like the plague.

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8 Oct 12 at 1:38 pm
Good to hear Dot, hope all the hard work pays off.

We’re too conservative to make a killing. It’s people like JC who put their balls on the line that make the killings. Is it any wonder he is such a big fan of QE.

sdfc

8 Oct 12 at 1:41 pm
She’s still crazy but the Alice that’s commenting today is much more lucid than the peppermint essence drinking nutbag that entertains us at night.

Infidel Tiger

8 Oct 12 at 1:46 pm
You’re alright sfdc, you just have some funny ideas.

Alice is batshit insane.

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8 Oct 12 at 1:46 pm
So we know that Gillard’s hate czar, McTernan, is an elitist Brit who is certainly a racist and likes to harrass women on the phone and push them around.

Plus he has had dealings with the UK police.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 1:47 pm
SDFC

You fuck head, I’m not a one dimensional trader. I can make money shorting or going long the markets. The side doesn’t worry me. All I’m interested in is the direction and if I can get it right.

I’m not a fan of QE per se. I’m a fan of NGDP targeting and I thought QE would get us closer to optimum level of NGDP.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 1:48 pm
So we know that Gillard’s hate czar, McTernan, is an elitist Brit who is certainly a racist and likes to harrass women on the phone and push them around.

Plus he has had dealings with the UK police.

So the limey shithead fits right in with the Australian Liars Party. I’m fucking shocked.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 1:49 pm
For those joining us late, Steve is a strictly ‘conservative’ ‘lifelong Liberal’ and devout ‘Catholic.’

Oh yea. I forgot.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 1:51 pm
You know IT, there used to be a crazy old Chinese lady who’d turn up to the AFBC conferences put on by UNSW, who’d not talk to anyone, but ramble to herself all the time.

In the tea breaks – and all the way through the speaker’s address. She’d argue with the presenter in a muted voice for 30-45 minutes. From the guys from the private finance colleges, to the guys from private equity, to a French or Chinese finance or econ. prof from a big rep uni. She’d be sitting there, arguing with them to herself, then summating their arguments and moderating herself in the third person.

I reckon she could be Alice.

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8 Oct 12 at 1:51 pm
I’m not a fan of QE per se. I’m a fan of NGDP targeting and I thought QE would get us closer to optimum level of NGDP.

I wanna do a Bird impersonation but it’s hard to do well.

.

8 Oct 12 at 1:54 pm
You listen to Alan Jones?

When they replay him on the ABC

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 1:57 pm
Plus he has had dealings with the UK police.

He’s a potential Harry Reid type until he denies it in my book.

Infidel Tiger

8 Oct 12 at 1:57 pm
Ok Dot
What tranche of working class are you talking about? Those who rent or those who have borrowed to buy their house? Be specific. And as for your “indigent” – are they working or not? Are they welfare recipients or simply extreme working poor? Or are they retired? Quite a difference. There are a lot of variables that determine how a particular group is affected by inflation – higher inflation will produce favourable effects for one group and unfavourable effects for another group.
You want to be silly enough to make a sweeping statement about inflation and its effect on the poor Dot in two sentences? Go right ahead. I wont respect you in the morning.

How about while you are at it inform us all as to how low inflation benefits the wealthy?
That should keep you busy enough for a while to keep the dummy in your mouth.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 1:57 pm
SteveC

Does Kimmberly, you plastic sex doll know you listen to Alan Jones?

JC

8 Oct 12 at 1:58 pm
I’m not a fan of QE per se. I’m a fan of NGDP targeting and I thought QE would get us closer to optimum level of NGDP.

Alice, please don’t be shy. We are lucky to have an education with your extensive experience at this blog.

Please feel free to fill us all in on what JC meant by that.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 2:00 pm
So you were indifferent about the effect on share prices of a fresh round of stimulus JC? Really?

sdfc

8 Oct 12 at 2:00 pm
So you were indifferent about the effect on share prices of a fresh round of stimulus JC? Really?

It was a difficult time for him. He didn’t know whether to buy a new place in Lake Como or St Kitts.

Infidel Tiger

8 Oct 12 at 2:02 pm
Clinton HUD secretary Andrew Cuomo bragging about banks being forced to give bad loans – in 1998.

They knew what would happen and they did it anyway.

H/T Robert S.

Rudiau

8 Oct 12 at 2:02 pm
Pretty cool:

Soldier Surprises Family at USC Game (Video).

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 2:04 pm
What tranche of working class are you talking about? Those who rent or those who have borrowed to buy their house? Be specific.

I was.

Answer the question.

And as for your “indigent” – are they working or not? Are they welfare recipients or simply extreme working poor? Or are they retired? Quite a difference.

Maybe if you knew what you were talking about you could answer the question.

There are a lot of variables that determine how a particular group is affected by inflation – higher inflation will produce favourable effects for one group and unfavourable effects for another group.

I specified different groups. You refuse to give any real answer.

How about while you are at it inform us all as to how low inflation benefits the wealthy?

Their savings are not depreciated and long term buy signals for assets are more reliable. Of course if they are highly levered they benefit and also they receive asset price appreciation with high inflation – at the expense of the poor.

I actually think that the wealthy employ people with real assets, you think they spin some magic money wheel, employ people with no capital, then pull out as they see favourable.

You’re a fucking lulu.

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8 Oct 12 at 2:05 pm
Clinton HUD secretary Andrew Cuomo bragging about banks being forced to give bad loans – in 1998.

They knew what would happen and they did it anyway.

Alice thinks this should happen. She also thinks irresponsible financial management helped create the crisis. She also purports to have worked as a senior economics academic – well she actually denies that when pressed, says she “taught economics” but doesn’t say what topics at what level (I dunno want to know where).

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8 Oct 12 at 2:07 pm
I both care and indifferent SDFC.

That’s because I agree with Scott Sumner that the Fed needed to move towards a NGDP level targeting, which they seemed to. I supported it because I think it’s the best thing for the US.

I’m indifferent in terms of trading the markets. In fact I would have made far more money if the Fed went all hard currency as it would have cracked the stock market and moved TLT to 160 bucks or so. I would also have bought the US dollar against the Euro and Aussie with my ears pinned back.

Whereas I bought high beta stocks and sold the Dollar against the Euro.

In other words I had a strategy for both plays.

Stop being a fuckhead.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 2:07 pm
When they replay him on the ABC

How do you know he’s a “bully” then? If you’ve never listened to him?

Jonathon Green the editor of The Drum spends his days, on the clock, on Twitter making partisan jibes and retweeting Catherine Devney and Marieke Hardy.

Should he be fired from his job for misusing tax payer funds, violating the APS code of conduct and associating with those vile degenerates?

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 2:11 pm
Dot says

“Answer the question.”

Dots question was

“Alice – Explain how inflation helps the working classes and the indigent.”

Alice answered with the following

“What tranche of working class are you talking about? Those who rent or those who have borrowed to buy their house? Be specific.”
And as for your “indigent” – are they working or not? Are they welfare recipients or simply extreme working poor? Or are they retired? Quite a difference.”

Dot replies

“I was. Answer the question”
and
“Maybe if you knew what you were talking about you could answer the question.”

Maybe Dot if you knew two cents worth of economics you would not have asked such a stupid broadarsed ill defined question with no answer possible.

I see I am dealing with an ill tempered idiot and wont waste my time further on him.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 2:12 pm
Alice

Answer the question.

How does inflation help someone who is unemployed and how does it help someone who is saving for a home?

I see I am dealing with an ill tempered idiot and wont waste my time further on him.

CRM-114 Discriminator Translation Services

“I have no fucking idea what I am talking about and avoid debate with cheap rhetorical devices”

PS

I am also checking if Hammersmith Hospital actually ever had a “Bone Marrow Transplant Unit”

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8 Oct 12 at 2:16 pm
You are turning into one fierce little old lady, Alice. High school teacher with some woofly economics, I guessed right? Or are we in an ex-CAE somewhere surrounded by sheep-studded miles? Personally, I don’t actually care. Clever people are found everywhere – but they have to show they are clever rather than make appeals to unimpressive authority.

So – no-one has to justify who they are in job history terms on the Cat although some people tell and others don’t (mostly I don’t because I don’t want to be identified, but I will say if I’ve got more than a passing knowledge or experience in some area). Even then, people will be called if they don’t justify any claim to expertise by demonstrating the range and depth of their knowledge and bring in evidence that reliably sustains their claim (and makes the comment interesting and informative).

I once knew someone who taught high school economics as some sort of political economy of the poor with the words supply and demand occasionally wafted around without much meaning and da dreadful capitalists owning ‘the means of production’ and ‘extracting surplus value’. Hmmmmmmm. That’s OK, if that stuff floats your boat and you don’t mind disinforming children, but you are not talking to wet behind the ears kids here, and this sort of stuff definitely does nothing for Catallaxians. Live with it, learn, or go. Otherwise you’re trolling.

If you have good medical knowledge then comments in that area, showing expertise, have always been welcome. Try some there. And the Cat is always short on people who have the right equipment to make a comment about the experience of being female, so hang in there on that Alice.

Over to you now, as I’m off up to Sydney for a few days off-line.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

8 Oct 12 at 2:19 pm
John Mcternan – sectarian bigot:

DES BROWNE, the Scottish and defence secretary, was under pressure this weekend to sack one of his top aides for describing Scotland as a “narrow, Presbyterian and racist” country. John McTernan, a special adviser to Browne and former Downing Street aide to Tony Blair, made the comments in a personal e-mail to a Labour politician.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/labour-aide-brands-scotland-as-racist/story-e6frg6to-1111115358593

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 2:19 pm
twostix, i’ve heard him many times. He also gets quoted in the press a lot. If you don’t think Jones is a bully I don’t think you know what a bully is! He’s entitled to say whatever he likes on his own radio station, but he shouldn’t complain when the boot is on the other foot for a change.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 2:19 pm
moronic lefties think anyone that disagrees with them is a “bully”.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 2:21 pm
admit it dot, you’re unempoyed aren’t you?
checking if Hammersmith Hospital actually ever had a “Bone Marrow Transplant Unit”?

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 2:21 pm
Another judicial idiot…

Judge tells family of murdered pensioner to cool it:

Murder case material censored by court.

The grieving family of a murdered pensioner has been prevented from reading victim impact statements in court because the judge ruled the material went “too far” and needed censoring.

Adelaide pensioner Anne Redman, 87, was murdered by two teenagers, one a policeman’s son, on Australia Day last year.

Prosecutors told a previous hearing the teenagers disconnected the electricity and broke into Ms Redman’s house at night.

When she came outside in her pyjamas with a torch, her throat was cut several times with a blunt hunting knife.

The South Australian Supreme Court had been due to hear sentencing submissions for both boys, one of whom only recently changed his plea to guilty over the Seacliff woman’s killing.

The boy’s lawyer objected to parts of the family’s victim impact statements, saying they encouraged violence against her client.

Liesl Chapman SC said although she could understand the family’s strong feelings, the sentiments expressed in the victim impact statements did not accord with legislation.

“I understand the emotions, as I say, but it doesn’t come within injury, loss or damage that is contemplated within [the legislation],” she said.

“The way it’s expressed, descriptions of him as a monster and an unstoppable and untreatable predator are inappropriate, and while they are valid emotions they don’t come within [the legislation].”

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 2:21 pm
Alice

Shut up. You’re embarrassing yourself and indirectly embarrassing the website for allowing you to post drivel here.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 2:21 pm
admit it dot, you’re unempoyed aren’t you?
checking if Hammersmith Hospital actually ever had a “Bone Marrow Transplant Unit”?

You spend an awful lot of time here to make that accusation.

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8 Oct 12 at 2:22 pm
Alice

Why must Woolworths and Coles be forced to only return a below average market profit margin to their shareholders?

.

8 Oct 12 at 2:25 pm
What’s your claim to fame SteveC? Most unsolicited sperm donations at the sperm bank ever? GetUp’s biggest suckhole 2011?

Infidel Tiger

8 Oct 12 at 2:25 pm
twostix, i’ve heard him many times. He also gets quoted in the press a lot. If you don’t think Jones is a bully I don’t think you know what a bully is! He’s entitled to say whatever he likes on his own radio station, but he shouldn’t complain when the boot is on the other foot for a change.

No, you didn’t say you’ve listened to him, you said you’ve only heard him through The ABC reporting him. You were lying then or you’re lying now.

You also didn’t answer why he’s a “bully”, because you don’t agree with him I presume.

Now answer my question regarding Jonathon Green, editor of The Drum violating the APS code of conduct by engaging in partisan politics on the job, using twitter during work hours while endorsing Catherine “he has the face of a rapist” Devney and Marieke Hardy.

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 2:27 pm
What’s your claim to fame SteveC? Most unsolicited sperm donations at the sperm bank ever? GetUp’s biggest suckhole 2011?

And first owner of Kimberly his plastic sex doll. “She” has a remarkable resemblance to Kim Kardasian.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 2:28 pm
And first owner of Kimberly his plastic sex doll. “She” has a remarkable resemblance to Kim Kardasian.

The only trouble is that Kimberly is a fan of Alan Jones. It’s a considerable source of tension between her and Steve.

Dangph

8 Oct 12 at 2:36 pm
Get back to your books Dot and stop wasting your unemployed time blogging very poorly specified econ questions unless you are up for a long discussion and want to actually think about the matter you raised ie “how inflation helps the working class and indigent”.
There is no eight word answer to your eight word talking point.
Just a bloody kid obviously.
Good luck with your phd anyway (and your internet searches – which I suggest could be more useful to your econ studies).

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 2:36 pm
Dot
As to whether Hammersmith Hospital actually has a bone marrow transplant unit?
Let me help you out. You are very slow.
http://www.imperial.nhs.uk/hammersmith/ourservices/clinicalhaematology/index.htm

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 2:39 pm
Alice

Answer the question

Why must Woolworths and Coles be forced to only return a below average market profit margin to their shareholders?

.

8 Oct 12 at 2:40 pm
So they had that in the 1970s, did they Alice?

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8 Oct 12 at 2:41 pm
Alice

You numbnut, Woolies and Coles don’t have super profits. They make an okay return. Stop the crap. If you want more competition at the grocery store then change the stupid zoning laws.

We had that sort of crap going in in NYC as Walmart could never set up there because the disgusting local government had limits to store size in order to keep the big discounters out of the city.

Anyone advocating this sort of thing ought to be jailed for fucking fraud.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 2:46 pm
If one doesn’t care for Alan Jones (and there are several here who have said so lately), this attack by Mike Carlton is an entertaining read.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 2:48 pm
Mike Carlton on March 10:

IT is (Stephen) Smith himself who is somewhere between completely insensitive and completely stupid. . . . So, special sea duty men close up. Hands to stations for leaving harbour. Best if the minister were to be towed out to sea and sunk by gunfire, to become an artificial reef for fish.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 2:51 pm
I dont know Dot. I wasnt there in the 70s. I am not sure when they started it and I dont see why I should answer your inquisition style questions. I think you need to get a life outside Cat.

You are really just trying to denigrate people who dont agree with you. Its a very clumsy approach Dot to any form of discussion and as Lizzie says above Cat is open to discussion.
I dont have to agree with you Dot and neither does Stece C or anyone else here. It doesnt warrant the sort of nonsense you are carrying on with in here and all the stupid questions which you have no discussion on.

You are really starting to annoy me because you are an annoyingly aggro and obviously young person who thinks he is on some undercover supersleuth mission to do what?

Prove that I am a liar? About what Dot? What work I have done? I could surprise you even more with the grade average for my own studies and the prizes I won. So far you have had not one bit of success at the liar line and if you keep up this waste of time you wont have any success at your phd in econ either.

Frankly by now Dot I think you are quite mad.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 2:54 pm
Taxes are for the little people that keep me in a job, she says.

South Australian Greens MP Tammy Franks has been found guilty of failing to lodge tax returns for 10 years, with a magistrate describing her as a “disorganised” person and an unimpressive witness.

The Adelaide Magistrates Court today rejected the argument put by the 43-year-old member of the state’s upper house that she was incapable of lodging tax returns from 2001 to 2010 by June last year due to the breakdown of her marriage.

Ms Franks originally pleaded guilty to 10 counts of failing to furnish taxation approved forms, but changed her plea in March.

She will be able to keep her seat in parliament, despite the convictions.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/decade_of_disorganisation/

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 2:55 pm
Bullshit JC

Coles and Woolies have made a very healthy return for years for their shareholders at the expense of their customers.
I forgot your one eyed traders view. What would I expect from you?

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 2:56 pm
Coles and Woolies have made a very healthy return for years for their shareholders at the expense of their customers.

Out of one side of your mouth you bitch about them selling things too cheaply then out of the other for being too expensive.

Do you have Alzheimers?

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 3:01 pm
Coles and Woolies have made a very healthy return for years for their shareholders at the expense of their customers.

The directors would be in breach of their fiduciary duties if the did anything else.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 3:04 pm
The Fed could have made the same commitment without setting a target for additional excess reserves. The chance of the Fed “going all hard currency” were nil.

sdfc

8 Oct 12 at 3:09 pm
Do you have Alzheimers?

It’s possiblly a secondary diagnosis for mAlice twostix but the primary one is FITH syndrome.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 3:09 pm
Another misquoting liar here and it isnt me (twoface).

Never did I say Coles and Woolies sold things too cheaply. I might have said they paid the bloody farmers in Australia too stinking little because thats what they do and dont bastards like you (and JC) give a damn about the nationals in your ranks?

Paying suppliers too little and on average charging the customers too much. Thats exactly why Coles and Woolies profits have been healthy for years and years and getting away with it due to no damn competition.

Have you heard this towstix?
profit = revenue minus costs?

I wonder why the nationals put up with some in the liberal ranks. I really do.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 3:12 pm
LOL

August 28th, 2010 at 19:33 | #15 Reply | Quote
@Ron E Joggles
…
I really dont like being ripped off at the supermarket (only to imagine how good the world is for Metcash, Coles, Woolies and Wesfarmers and their profits and only to know how badly they rip off country producers as well). If we had half a backbone in this country we would not vote for either major parties (and not touch the filthy Murdoch rags) and put a whole lot of indepenmdents in, or least we should, with our votes, go feral and make them swing from the trees trying to chase us all.

Your hatred of Murdoch verges on bigotry.

Pure idiocy with a sock puppet

Alice
January 25th, 2010 at 19:50 | #42 Reply | Quote
@Philomena
Philo – do you want my honest opinion? I dont give a damn whether prodctivity is increasing or has died….in the (??) Productivity refers to baour producctivity ands has been used as an ideological expressiob to borw beat employees into working harder for longer for less and being as felxible as cooked sphaghetti into the bargain

(Labour) productivity is a function of capital intensity. You think BHP miners are paid a high wage because they are whipped harder, not because they get use technologically advanced and specialised machinery.

You’re a dolt, Alice.

More conspiracy nonsense

Alice
August 5th, 2010 at 19:22 | #5 Reply | Quote
Tax cuts hmm…now that sounds like a definite possiblity. We know trickle down didnt work.
Any dedicated economist might try suggesting trickle up…. it might upset the banking overlords though…and that economist might find himself peer reviewed and destroyed by a bunch of hoods from Chicago.

Alice has never heard of inter-industry mulitpliers

Alice
March 23rd, 2011 at 19:35 | #4 Reply | Quote

Im sick of hearing about the RBA talking about Mining when the amount of jobs it adds is paltry. Im sick of mining getting all the kudos. Im sick of mining getting all the help.

Alice is ignorant of economic history and has a preference for inefficiency

Alice
May 14th, 2011 at 17:41 | #20 Reply | Quote
Id like to see more economists against the “price mechanism”.
The price mechanism is a modern invention that belongs to the generation that started modelling people into subservience.
Tell me when in history we / politicians / theorists / policy makers stopped thinking about the “good of the nation” and “advancing economic strength” “employing people” and “building infrastructure”
to getting bogged down in arguments about the price mechanism.
God – they didnt even know a price mechanism existed in the 1950s when we had full employment and could build a thing or two.

Alice thinks costs are simply a repressive right wing construct

Alice
May 13th, 2011 at 19:07 | #3 Reply | Quote
Well – while we talk about costs of solar as if its some big deal that it doesnt yet compete on costs people forget its been around a long time and was actually successful in the US in a number of states, where it established a healthy market….until the government came along, subsidised electricity, got everyone hooked on the grid by subsiding builders to intsall electric hot water heaters for free.
The infant industry rules can be used again to get us out of the mess of electricity, which no governments had any problems subsidising then. The government and half the unhelpful modelling economics profession, just need to get off this private market model addiction that they have been blowing the economy up with.

The odd conclave of Alice, Alicia and philomena that were always kneepadding each other and got banned – what exactly did you get banned from Kwggin’s from?

The more you look at it, the more Alice seems to be one of phil’s sockpuppets. I mean there was one reference at kwggerns about using valencia organes as a skin balm…FFS

.

8 Oct 12 at 3:14 pm
Paying suppliers too little and on average charging the customers too much. Thats exactly why Coles and Woolies profits have been healthy for years and years and getting away with it due to no damn competition.

Alice. They make below average profits and you have complained about low prices and being ripped off as a consumer.

You are full of shit.

Say hi to philomena for me.

.

8 Oct 12 at 3:17 pm
Nice feed from Bolta.

Eat your heart out Tim Blair:)

Poor Old Rafe

8 Oct 12 at 3:26 pm
Never did I say Coles and Woolies sold things too cheaply.

No you’re lying.

You “argued” that their home brand items are too cheap and that their milk is too cheap.

So when they sell things too cheaply you whinge, when they sell things at normal prices you whinge and if they raised prices to give you what you demand in order to pay for your laundry list of “demands” (which includes higher priced produce and milk)…you’d whinge some more.

You’re just a fruitcake.

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 3:30 pm
I wonder why the nationals put up with some in the liberal ranks. I really do.

Because without the Liberals the Nationals would have as much sway in politics as The Greens?

Perhaps?

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 3:32 pm
… Now answer my question regarding Jonathon Green, editor of The Drum violating the APS code of conduct …

Employees of the ABC isn’t subject to the APS Code of Conduct as the ABC isn’t a public service agency and doesn’t employ anyone under the public service act. ABC Services are covered by the ABC Code of Practice which doesn’t, as far as I know, automatically extend to comments made on social media in a private capacity.

badm0f0

8 Oct 12 at 3:36 pm
Pretty cool:

Soldier Surprises Family at USC Game (Video).

Powerful video.

The grieving family of a murdered pensioner has been prevented from reading victim impact statements in court because the judge ruled the material went “too far” and needed censoring.

Honestly, if two teenagers murdered my mother in such a way my victim impact statement would involve the illustration of their captivity in a gibbet by the front of my house.

dover_beach

8 Oct 12 at 3:46 pm
The grieving family of a murdered pensioner has been prevented from reading victim impact statements in court because the judge ruled the material went “too far” and needed censoring.

Oh boofuckinghoo. There is no way on earth the impact statement could go as far as murdering them.

Hey, they murdered your relative but shut up about it already.

Nice judiciary we have here in Chavezland.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 3:49 pm
If one doesn’t care for Alan Jones (and there are several here who have said so lately), this attack by Mike Carlton is an entertaining read.

‘Butch’ Carlton talking about prissy shrieks? Well, he would know something about them I guess.

dover_beach

8 Oct 12 at 3:49 pm
“Thats exactly why Coles and Woolies profits have been healthy for years and years”

Are you still spinning this line, Alice? Don’t you remember me schooling you on exactly what their profit margins were on Quiggin’s blog? Average for the sector, and entirely unspectacular.

Just stop.

Jarrah

8 Oct 12 at 3:55 pm
Carlton and Fitsimons are the most unbearable double act on the planet. Smug deadshits.

Infidel Tiger

8 Oct 12 at 3:55 pm
Alice suffers from the ‘fairness’ bug. This probably involves a bit of zero sum disease, a long streak of envy, plus a rabid phobia of freedom allied to some irrational hatred of companies and profits.

She seems to think that there is a ‘fair’ price for any good or service that is somehow different to the market price. A lot of people sffer from this delusion. I blame our education system which seems to encourage too many little darlings that what ought to be is the same as what is, and that fairness is somehow the equivalent of justice.

Rococo Liberal

8 Oct 12 at 3:58 pm
“moronic lefties think anyone that disagrees with them is a “bully”.”

Alan Jones is a moronic lefty? Well, I never.

Jarrah

8 Oct 12 at 3:58 pm
The female journalist who had the temerity to ask Alan Jones at the No Carbon Tax rally whether he was being paid to attend (and you remember the OTT response) has a great time ripping into Alan for calling others “bullies”.

It starts:

The terrible down-side of the advertising being pulled from Alan Jones’ radio show this morning was that we had to hear more of him. Free from messages from his traitorous sponsors, there were no pauses at all in his bile-speckled monologue, which was about as narcissistic as possible, betraying the paranoid us-against-them world-view which defines him.

And near the end:

Now we see a truly populist social media campaign challenge his power and call him out on his bitter hatred of women. It is manifesting real results, however short lived they may be. And Jones is – to use a vulgar phrase – absolutely losing his s***.

He’s not a popular man.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 3:59 pm
Alan Jones is a moronic lefty? Well, I never.

His economics mirror the trade unions. He is a socially conservative leftist – the worst type of people.

Infidel Tiger

8 Oct 12 at 4:01 pm
Whoops, forgot the link.

http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/382899/the-startling-hypocrisy-of-alan-jones/?cs=2315

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 4:03 pm
I regard someone as a bully if they use their position of power (Jones broadcasting) to attack others who have little course of redress. For example referring to the Mercedes Benz rep as a “gutless wonder”. Frequently found guilty of defamation. Attacks on Brigadier McDade.
As I said, if you don’t think Alan Jones is a bully, you have a strange definition of bully.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 4:04 pm
was that we had to hear more of him.

What, she can’t escape listening to him?

dover_beach

8 Oct 12 at 4:05 pm
The female journalist who had the temerity to ask Alan Jones at the No Carbon Tax rally whether he was being paid to attend (and you remember the OTT response)

well she’d have no axe to grind, now would she?

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 4:07 pm
I think Catherine Deveney is a bully – suggesting paedo relationship for an 11 year old year and that child had no avenue of redress, being a child and not even understanding what Ms Deveney was suggesting to her.

candy

8 Oct 12 at 4:10 pm
BC Services are covered by the ABC Code of Practice which doesn’t, as far as I know, automatically extend to comments made on social media in a private capacity.

Thanks m0fo you sent me searching and what did I find at the ABC site?

USE OF SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY

1. Do not mix the professional and the personal in ways likely to bring the ABC into disrepute.
2. Do not undermine your effectiveness at work.
3. Do not imply ABC endorsement of your personal views.
4. Do not disclose confidential information obtained through work.

So all those ABC “personalities” who are busily tweeting their partisan hackery all day long are surely violating 1, 2 and 3.

http://abc.net.au/corp/pubs/documents/201111/useOfSocialMedia.pdf

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 4:12 pm
My wesfarmers shares are paying about 6% fully franked which appears “healthy” to me. When you say average for “the sector”, surely the supermarket sector has very few players in Australia?

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 4:13 pm
That was a dumb comment, Gab. She makes it perfectly clear she has an axe to grind: she recounts how the incident went down.

Are you commenting without reading links again?

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 4:13 pm
Salman Rushdie is being interviews on 702 Sydney for anyone interested.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 4:13 pm
Never before in the history of the Australian media has there ever been such an egregious remark made as that of ‘her father died of shame’. Well, he must be silenced. Let’s just hang him and be done with it. Look, it’s just not good enough to wish him dead via cancer, as so many have declared, no, they can’t wait that long.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 4:14 pm
For example referring to the Mercedes Benz rep as a “gutless wonder”.

He’s blessed with the very best defense on that particular attack SteveC: he’s correct.

And I’m no fan of Jones but your accusation of unfairness on Jones’ part is more appropriately directed at the spineless Mercedes Benz shill

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 4:14 pm
..a truly populist social media campaign ..

The only evidence for the ‘truly populist’ proposition is that the usual leftard stenographers say it is.

The Prof has exposed the Chang.org fakery – an on-line petition without even the most basic anti-scam controls.

Flooding of mail boxes could easily have been achieved by an orchestrated spambot.

Lazlo

8 Oct 12 at 4:16 pm
Change.org

Lazlo

8 Oct 12 at 4:17 pm
“His economics mirror the trade unions.”

Nah, he’s a plain old populist, with all the inconsistencies that entails. And he was a candidate for the Liberals, so I don’t think ‘leftist’ is quite the word for him.

Jarrah

8 Oct 12 at 4:18 pm
I regard someone as a bully if they use their position of power (Jones broadcasting) to attack others who have little course of redress. For example referring to the Mercedes Benz rep as a “gutless wonder”. Frequently found guilty of defamation. Attacks on Brigadier McDade.
As I said, if you don’t think Alan Jones is a bully, you have a strange definition of bully.

So you regard Roxon and Carr as bullies regarding their “using their positions of power to attack” James Ashby then? Both soon to be found guilty of defamation?

And Steven Smith with his disgraceful attacks on ADFA Commandant Bruce Kaffer?

Will you label him a bully too?

Albanese and his attacks, in Parliament against the protesters last year?

Bully too?

Start spinning.

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 4:20 pm
Alan Jones is a moronic lefty? Well, I never.

???

Quite a number of us have been calling AJ a moronic lefty for shilling for the Greens over CSG.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 4:20 pm
“Well, he must be silenced.”

That’s where you’re going wrong, Gab. He’s not being silenced.

“My wesfarmers shares are paying about 6% fully franked which appears “healthy” to me.”

Wesfarmers is way more than just Coles.

Jarrah

8 Oct 12 at 4:21 pm
Stevieliar QC. Have you cooked dinner?

Tiny Dancer

8 Oct 12 at 4:21 pm
That was a dumb comment, Gab. She makes it perfectly clear she has an axe to grind: she recounts how the incident went down.

Is this another one of those “I agree with what she said so it’s solid evidence – but a statutory declaration doesn’t mean anything” moments Stevie?

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 4:22 pm
It’s only a matter of time and Jones will be silenced. The left will see to it.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 4:23 pm
For example referring to the Mercedes Benz rep as a “gutless wonder”.

The correct description is “lying douche” who is likely to be sacked only day when the HQ receives the feedback from the dealers across NSW QLD.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 4:24 pm
I don’t think ‘leftist’ is quite the word for him.

It’s perhaps not perfect but Jones is an agrarian socialist populist.

He’s also an highly intelligent polymath and an extraordinarily generous man who loves his country and her peoples.

He doesn’t deserve what the lowest form of leftism are throwing at him right now for no other reason than he deplores AGW alarmists, he’s socially conservative and he likes Tony Abbott and deplores Julia Gillard’s cduct since she regained the PM’ship after the election.

At one point in time, it should be noted, he was a great admirer of Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd.

So his intelligence extends only so far.

His decency however should not be in question.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 4:25 pm
Gab

Jones will not be silenced, he’s far too popular with great swathes of he population. The getup crowd aren’t really that good at influencing long-term outcomes just at shouting a lot.

Rococo Liberal

8 Oct 12 at 4:25 pm
Dot you really are a fruitcake

I might just start posting the last ten years of your comments… if only I had that much interest in your comments at all.

I dont.
What did you discover Dot?

That Im unlikely to agree with you on lots of things?
So now I know you are positively incapable of tolerating anyone who doesnt agree with Dot??

Is that it?? – in short you are a narrow minded neanderthal who wants to club people with his own views and if they dont like it you spend all day (ALL FUCKING DAY) trying to malign, cheat, lie and denigrate, bully and twist and drag unfindable dirt up

Sounds like you are looking for a job either in a campaign office with some politician or in News of the World or some other lying dirtbag publication or you are just a freak of nature with an OCD personality who sees himself as always right (are you always right Dot or did you slip up and tie your left shoelace first this morning)?

You are ugly Dot. Very ugly.

I quite liked Philo. I also quite like Alicia.
Where the hell is she (are they?)? Havent spoken with them for a long time.
I also like Candy and Lizzie and Gab but I really dont like you much at all Dot.

You have some unfortunate social failings.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 4:27 pm
I am still struggling to work out why a bad throw-away line about the PM merits such an hysterical reaction by the fascist left. Their problem is that 95% of the populatin now see them as the villains because their reaction to Jones’s offence has been so over the top.

Rococo Liberal

8 Oct 12 at 4:27 pm
I’m thinking about the new media regulations this totalitarian government is about to impose, RL. It seems no one can stop them.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 4:27 pm
? That made no sense at all, twostix. The way Jones turned on her was on TV at the time.

A normal person in Jones’ position might have said “don’t be silly and insult me – of course I wouldn’t take money for something like this” and leave it at that. Rather than attempt to sick the crowd onto her, as he did.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 4:28 pm
How will the new media regs stop popular radio presenters from being on the air?

Rococo Liberal

8 Oct 12 at 4:28 pm
“…. His decency however should not be in question.”

That was all beautifully said, JamesK.

candy

8 Oct 12 at 4:29 pm
Nah, he’s a plain old populist, with all the inconsistencies that entails. And he was a candidate for the Liberals, so I don’t think ‘leftist’ is quite the word for him.

???

He was an adviser to Malcolm Fraser, which tells you he comes from the period before the economic reform movement of the late 70′s & early 80′s.

History shows that economically Fraser was more left wing than Hawke, Keating & Howard (and maybe Rudd).

Token

8 Oct 12 at 4:30 pm
The news media regulations ensure that once one complaint is made, the person has to either retract, apologise or face a fine or imprisonment.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 4:31 pm
Fair enough Jarrah, though coles is about a third and the 2012 annual report says

COLES achieved strong earnings growth of 16.3 per cent to $1,356 million.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 4:31 pm
“It’s perhaps not perfect but Jones is an agrarian socialist populist.”

Yes, I’d agree. His natural constituency is the Nationals. Hence his shilling for farmers over CSG.

Jarrah

8 Oct 12 at 4:31 pm
Thank you Candy

You big softie.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 4:32 pm
Rather than attempt to sick the crowd onto her, as he did.

Ah, the crowd were rabid dogs. She was lucky to make it out of there alive.

dover_beach

8 Oct 12 at 4:33 pm
For example referring to the Mercedes Benz rep as a “gutless wonder”.

What a hypocritical bunch of sleazy krauts. They sell bullet proof mercs to every murderous dictator in the world and are offended by Jones. Oh please, fuck off.

I’ve never like that firm, which is why I’ve always had BMW’s as family cars. I once bought a merc for wifey and it was a shit awful car. Luckily it was stolen and I replaced it with the Beamer promising myself I would never buy one of their cars again. Fuck Mercedes Benz.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 4:35 pm
He’s also an highly intelligent polymath and an extraordinarily generous man who loves his country and her peoples.

You sound like Tim Brooke-Taylor talking about Margaret Thatcher in the Goodies.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 4:36 pm
Fuck Mercedes Benz.

Well said JC.

I’d normally say I’d never be seen dead in one but so many fucking hearses are Mercs.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 4:37 pm
I am still struggling to work out why a bad throw-away line about the PM merits such an hysterical reaction by the fascist left.

It is great cover for the sh*t which is really going down. Bolt covered the laundry list well in his intro yesterday.

All up, all the event has done is prove the Left like to silence people they don’t like and act in the exact base manner they claim their opponents act like.
___________________

How will the new media regs stop popular radio presenters from being on the air?

I’m glad someone else has been paying attention that what Il Duce Conroy has been doing why the distraction keeps people focused on immaterial events.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 4:37 pm
“He was an adviser to Malcolm Fraser, which tells you he comes from the period before the economic reform movement of the late 70′s & early 80′s.”

So the Liberals were leftists? OK then.

“earnings growth”

And the profit margin?

Jarrah

8 Oct 12 at 4:37 pm
“I am still struggling to work out why a bad throw-away line about the PM merits such an hysterical reaction by the fascist left.”

Opportunism. There was an opening to attack someone they didn’t like, and they took it.

Jarrah

8 Oct 12 at 4:38 pm
d-b, surely you don’t defend Jones’ response to that journalist at that rally as a fair response? It was a remarkably ugly look, the way he handled it.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 4:39 pm
You sound like Tim Brooke-Taylor talking about Margaret Thatcher in the Goodies.

When you try to be a smartarse liar-steve™, the punchline has to have the thin veneer of plausibility to succeed.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 4:39 pm
Dot

Ive also just realised why you have no name

So no-one else can go through all your posts for ten years to find out exactly what a nasty abusive foul mouthed lying insult throwing little swearer you really are.

I could post a list of your obscenities and insults here from this thread alone – it would jam the airwaves if I posted all. Alan Jones rudeness has nothing on you sunshine.

You are just beneath me Dot and from now on Im done with you.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 4:40 pm
Essential Poll

2PP unchanged: LNP 53%, other 47%

First pref. LNP 47%, other 37% (+1).

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 4:40 pm
I am still struggling to work out why a bad throw-away line about the PM merits such an hysterical reaction by the fascist left.

It was just an excuse for them to get their hate on.

Dangph

8 Oct 12 at 4:41 pm
SDFC

The Fed could have made the same commitment without setting a target for additional excess reserves. The chance of the Fed “going all hard currency” were nil.

Well actually it wasn’t. They scuppered the two QE’s by firstly QEing and then later on, signaling to the markets they were going to maintain strong vigilance over inflation and keep the 2% ceiling. So in effect they basically nixed their action as the markets then began to tighten on expectation the Fed would too.

This time though they have said they will tolerate a higher inflation rate while maintaining vigilance “over the cycle. It’s a very different type of operation.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 4:41 pm
Sicking the crowd on her…

Reminded me of courageous, tough as nails Julia:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3795088-3×2-700×467.jpg

She actually fucked up the organisation of a race riot. Dad must have been proud.

Mum too.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 4:43 pm
She actually fucked up the organisation of a race riot.

Yea I know. She couldn’t organize a root in a brothel. without fucking it up.

FFS, the moment I watched the vid and saw the Lying Slapper eyeing off the camera (twice) to ensure she was in range and could be heard to care about “Tony’s safety” I smelt a freaking rat… a rat as big as a wombat.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 4:49 pm
Alice

If you were competent you could answer questions about inflation.

Maybe you can explain how solar energy is really cost effective, despite being unable to stand on its own feet as an unsubsidised industry.

You pull this wimpy routine of playing the invective card and crying foul when you are bested. Suck it up.

Steve C

Coles has a dividend yield equal to the capital market average but actually less than their sector. They are a lower risk stock than their sector as well.

There is nothing remarkable about their performance.

.

8 Oct 12 at 4:51 pm
She couldn’t organize a root in a brothel.

Craig Thomson to the rescue then. She has utter confidence in him, I hear.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 4:51 pm
I continually forget about the race riot, being away at the time. Yes, have Maley’s laser-like focus been trained on finding that AWOL Gillard staffer that organized that affair? No. Puzzling. But look, over there, Jones!

dover_beach

8 Oct 12 at 4:51 pm
“He was an adviser to Malcolm Fraser, which tells you he comes from the period before the economic reform movement of the late 70′s & early 80′s.”

So the Liberals were leftists? OK then.

No, everyone moved right once the lefty economics of the post war period was found to be unsustainable.

Fraser was on the right then, but as people moved right Fraser stayed in the same position he was in, so now he is a unreformed lefty.

Some of Jone’s positions date from that time. Many others evolved to suit new inforamtion.

Unfortunately the GFC gave the left a chance to run back to the same old populist policies.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 4:52 pm
Steve C

Coles has a dividend yield equal to the capital market average but actually less than their sector. They are a lower risk stock than their sector as well.

There is nothing remarkable about their performance.

It’s basically a grandpa stock. Is steveC trying to paint it as a huge money machine?

You ignorant cow poke, SteveC.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 4:56 pm
I continually forget about the race riot,

Never forget. It was a history making thing. An Australian PM and her office attempted to create a race riot.

She has the integrity of a hungry jackal.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 4:58 pm
Alice

Why is it immoral to advise banks how to maximise profits?

Can you tell me why Australia dropping tariffs hurts Australians, despite hundreds of years of theory and empirics which say otherwise?

You can start by saying why the partial equilibrium analysis of a tariff is incorrect – but I forgot, you think supply and demand are invalid metrics and analytical tools.

So how do you analyse welfare effects if you also criticise computerised models which general equilibrium ultimately is?

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8 Oct 12 at 5:00 pm
Yes, I remember JC was the first to be suspicious about the stage-managed Australia Day riots, well before any of the media. I didn’t believe him and thought no way would Gillard do something like that, not even her. Yet again, JC was right.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 5:01 pm
JC also made the right call on Red Ted.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 5:03 pm
Actually, d-b, there is no evidence she knew of whatever steps her staff may have taken before the “race riot” at all. I always thought it was remarkably unlikely that she would want to arrange a large bunch of aborigines to turn up outside a glass walled restaurant at a non-partisan function she was attending.

But it’s always enough for Catallaxians to imagine what Gillard knew or did in order to condemn her.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 5:05 pm
Poor Imre Salusinszky is under attack by the boob squad.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 5:11 pm
Actually, d-b, there is no evidence she knew of whatever steps her staff may have taken before the “race riot” at all.

Yes there was, you dishonest househusband. We saw her twice getting herself within camera range so that she could be overheard with her concern over Tony’s saefty. The moron couldn’t even look away from the camera.

I always thought it was remarkably unlikely that she would want to arrange a large bunch of aborigines to turn up outside a glass walled restaurant at a non-partisan function she was attending.

She knew about it and the skunk who ran off to London arranged the whole thing under the watchful eye of the senior people in her office. They got him a job with UK labor to keep the criminal bastard silent and well away from here in case there was heat.

But it’s always enough for Catallaxians to imagine what Gillard knew or did in order to condemn her.

Yes it is.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 5:13 pm
Steve

Her staffer got boned for it.

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8 Oct 12 at 5:13 pm
Get lost Dot you inadequate little creep.

Dont ask me questions just to post a whole lot of foul mouthed abuse here afterwards.
As I said Im done with you and the day I answer any one of your BS questions write it down and stick it you know where.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 5:13 pm
Poor Imre Salusinszky is under attack by the boob squad.

Funny pic. He doing what he can to prevent his elbows touching those great looking body parts. Contorting himself to avoid them.

He should be more relaxed and let the elbows go where they need to.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 5:16 pm
All I want to do is talk about economics, Alice.

Can you tell us why you think labour productivity growth is a bad thing?

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8 Oct 12 at 5:16 pm
That’s what had me in giggles, JC, He’s obviously trying so hard not to touch anything and yet the gals are up close and personal. lol poor Imre.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 5:18 pm
Dot – Not with you brainless idiot who lies about being an econ lecturer and is instead an obnoxious little turd

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 5:19 pm
You’re doing an excellent job of dishing out the abuse, Alice. No shrinking violet.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 5:20 pm
Also the look on Tony Abbott’s face when she was voicing concern for him, like he was thinking what the heck is she up to now.

candy

8 Oct 12 at 5:20 pm
Also the look on Tony Abbott’s face when she was voicing concern for him, like he was thinking what the heck is she up to now.

I would have told her top fuck off and found my own way back.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 5:22 pm
Her staffer got boned for it.

Which tell us nothing about Gillard’s knowledge. (JC’s mind reading based on Gillard’s glance – which I couldn’t even see – at a camera puts him right up there with the film world’s best comedy detectives.)

Of course it was very embarrassing for her that her staff were involved in passing the message to the tent embassy.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 5:22 pm
You seem to have misunderstood what I said which was that the Fed could have made the commitment to “support continued progress toward maximum employment ~~and price stability~~, the Committee expects that a highly accommodative stance of monetary policy will remain appropriate for a considerable time after the economic recovery strengthens” without setting further targets for reserve creation.

If they wanted to bring mortgage rates down from their already record low levels they could also have set yield targets for the purchasing of agency debt and MBS.
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sdfc

8 Oct 12 at 5:25 pm
Stevieliar QC, I still don’t know if you’ve cooked tea. Have you bought the washing in? It’s a bit overcast.

Tiny Dancer

8 Oct 12 at 5:25 pm
Jarrah, by earnings in the annual report they mean EBIT.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 5:28 pm
It’s been a fun day watching dot get beaten up by a woman, by the way.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 5:29 pm
Alice I start talking about economics and you start abusing me.

Do you want to explain why you want capital controls, and why capital controls aren’t to blame at least in part for the fact that pre 1991/2 India didn’t become wealthy or reduce absolute poverty levels significantly?

Or is that acceptable because the domestic Indian Gini coefficient was more “desirable” pre 1992?

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8 Oct 12 at 5:29 pm
Which tell us nothing about Gillard’s knowledge.

Oh yea. She’s innocent.

Look househusband, the criminal piece of shit who fell on his it was mid level public service scum.

Do you honestly reckon that if he was the only one, the senior scum at the top of the Australian Liars Party would contacted the UK Liars Party to get him a job there? The strategy was to get him out of here and into paid employment so the criminal piece of shit wouldn’t finger the others who were involved.

You understand he’s basically human garbage , right?

Fuck off Stepford, you appalling househusband. Go heat the canned food.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 5:29 pm
….by earnings in the annual report they mean EBIT.

Steve C is a finance major now… in between taking care of Kimberly, his plastic sex doll.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 5:31 pm
Steve.

This is the start of Rd 8 and I’m Balboa.

Enter Guile music which goes with anything…

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8 Oct 12 at 5:31 pm
oops fell on his sword…

JC

8 Oct 12 at 5:33 pm
JamesK

Why do you describe Jones as a polymath?

Just curious. I have never heard him.

Julian O'Dea

8 Oct 12 at 5:35 pm
It’s been a fun day watching dot get beaten up by a woman, by the way.

Why? Gab is always beating the shit out of you.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 5:35 pm
Actually, d-b, there is no evidence she knew…

She is alternatively the Al Capone or the Sgt. Schultz of Australian politics.

dover_beach

8 Oct 12 at 5:37 pm
Actually dot, I shouldn’t forget SteveC’s contribution too.

I think people who have been here long enough do know your real name, so I don’t know why your qualifications should be a big secret.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 5:39 pm
Do you honestly reckon that if he was the only one, the senior scum at the top of the Australian Liars Party would contacted the UK Liars Party to get him a job there? The strategy was to get him out of here and into paid employment so the criminal piece of shit wouldn’t finger the others who were involved.

Truly

This is at least as bad as the Watergate Scandal. I say that with clean hands.

Then again we are dealing with Julia “I am not a crook’ Gillard.

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8 Oct 12 at 5:40 pm
Did you even go to university Steve? You are an innumerate yet you insist that you are a climatologist.

I’m sure you don’t learn that stuff on your leaving certificate.

Actually please stick to that because your contributions to economics are nearly always far worse than anything Alice says.

There is far less damage when you talk about the poley bears or the ice caps melting by 2035.

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8 Oct 12 at 5:42 pm
In 2004, Jones received a Queen’s Birthday Honour – an Officer of the Order of Australia (AO) partly for his service to the media and sports’ administration, but also helping many charities, including Youth Off The Streets, the Children’s Hospital, Starlight Children’s Foundation, the Sir Edward Dunlop Medical Research Foundation and the Heart Research Institute.

Coach Australian Rugby Union Team

Rugby league coach and administrator.

School teacher.

Speech writer for PM Malcolm Fraser.

Actor/singer in musical theatre.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 5:44 pm
Thanks, JamesK.

Impressive.

Julian O'Dea

8 Oct 12 at 5:47 pm
Hey Alice if you worked at Hammersmith hospital for four years, why did you deal with so many Irish girls getting abortions there?

I mean, why would they go to London when they could go to Liverpool, Manchester or Belfast?

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8 Oct 12 at 5:48 pm
Dot

Splendid troll squishing. Truly excellent work.

Mk50 of Brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 5:48 pm
PS Alice

Since when did nurses specialise in haematological treatments, did you do any undergrad or postgrad to train for that, and why were you as a bone marrow expert dealing with abortion patients?

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8 Oct 12 at 5:53 pm
Hi Gab – No – Im not a shrinking violet (Ive heard you arent either) but that Dot is an obnoxious little bastard and he deserved it.
He doesnt have any economics qualifications. As others have pointed out here Dot is a (miserable little) accountant (yeah right to that as well) who is doing post grad econ (work that one out – how did he get in? Where is his honours year that somehow miraculously got him from accounting into an econ phd ie he just bypassed undergrad econ like the holy ghost did he????

Waddya really doing Dot? – a diploma in econ? – economic studies by coursework or the economics of accounts payable or perhaps the economics of seek after some bank sacked you?
Who cares – Dot is a nasty piece of work.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 6:00 pm
Answer the questions about the British medical system, Alice.

I got first class honours in economics and I did a minor in finance and like sfdc and JC said, I’m finishing off a Ph D.

I’ve met people from this blog in real life. Who have you met with other than the sockpuppets Alicia and philomena?

Please also answer the questions about why labour productivity shouldn’t grow, why capital controls make us better off and why banks shouldn’t be run efficiently to maximise profits.

At least answer the partial equilibrium question about the welfare effects of tariffs.

You may not have the ability to answer the economics questions but you should be able to answer simple questions about the practicalities of living, studying and working in the UK.

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8 Oct 12 at 6:07 pm
PS Dot – you know nothing you itsy bitsy little bad mad baby. How did you mummy deal with your lying and your adhd?

When I trained in nursing we trained in hospitals you idiot. There was NO SUCH THING as undergrad nursing
The idiot. Dot wasnt even born then and has no memory or knowledge of the system (you know the places where nurses trained and worked Dot in 1970s? Like in gospitals not unis) and while I was working my guts out bad boy Dot was probably toddling around peeing in his pants, trashing his bedroom and bashing his little brother.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 6:08 pm
He doesnt have any economics qualifications.

Alice, what are your qualifications? You said you did some postgrad in economics. What was that exactly?

Dangph

8 Oct 12 at 6:13 pm
Alice what is the colour of the boathouse at Hereford?

Infidel Tiger

8 Oct 12 at 6:14 pm
mAlice

Actually, Dot is a long term Catallaxian and much appreciated by most for his views.

You are a blow-in, and an obvious troll.

Dot has done an absolute number on you today, trawled some publicly available data and showed you up as a bull artist. Now, were you a good bull artist, that’d be fine. People appreciate good bull artists.

But you are not: you are a sad little shabby excuse for a bull artist.

Oh, and one hardly needs an Honours year to do postgrad these days. Mrs Mk50 is doing her Master’s in Pain Management without even the the benefit of a Fourth Form Leaving Certificate. I am doing my PhD without an honours year, too. (Yes, having a Master’s counts, dear).

Mk50 of Brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 6:15 pm
I got first class honours in economics and I did a minor in finance and like sfdc and JC said, I’m finishing off a Ph D.

That can’t be right. Stevec assured us you had no quals.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 6:16 pm
But Alice you inferred you only became an economist after the 1980s.

How did you train to specialise in nursing to that certification (haematological medicine) during the 1980s without going to university?

Anyway Alice, can you tell me why the Irish girls went to London and not Belfast?

By the time you were old enough to work, Northern Ireland had home rule taken away so they were subject to British Law in toto.

Why would the girls go to London, as you said you worked and lived there for four years?

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8 Oct 12 at 6:21 pm
And yet he still believes in voodoo economics with all of his heart.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 6:22 pm
Wow. That gal on the right has some big boobs.

Alas fake, methinks.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 6:23 pm
Oh? How would you know, CL? They look real to me.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 6:25 pm
I agree with CL, for once.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 6:29 pm
Steve

It is one thing to say “there is no association I can find with taxes and growth” or “these tax cuts are only marginally effective” and then with what that dolt tried to show with his comparison of Presidents – that tax increases improve growth – no. Just no.

Always refer to the production fucntion. Always.

Tax cuts and rationalising the tax system will always increase output as long as there is a balanced budget and law and order and the rules of the game are maintained.

If the level of spending rises, purchasing power also decreases. This is the theory that Rubin took on for Clinton. Clinton removing trade barriers (tariffs are another type of tax remember) and paying down the debt did more than a marginal tax hike did damage.

You have an inability to look at the big picture.

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8 Oct 12 at 6:29 pm
Gab, I won’t argue with you about it.

I remember the sad story of your golfing ineptitude.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 6:29 pm
Of course it was very embarrassing for her that her staff were involved in passing the message to the tent embassy.

They didn’t just pass on a “message” you liar, they said that Tony Abbott wanted the tent embassy “gone” and that “Tony Abbott is at the function down the road” (hint hint).

This of course happened almost immediately after racist, bigoted, “smartest man in the room” “bad poll fixer” John McTernan became the de-facto leader of the country.

I know you know all this, because just this afternoon I posted the excerpt from the Murri Murri woman explaining that McTernan callously told her that she was going to be the patsy after using her as the “go between”.

But don’t worry I’m sure it wasn’t Gillards idea, she’s too utterly hopeless to come up with such a thing and it’s become clear to the country is run by the men behind her, notably her poll “fixer” and she’s just along for the ride, day in day out doing as she’s told in order to “win” the days media battle.

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 6:31 pm
Steve

If you think equality is an issue, let me ask you if you find absolute or relative poverty more offensive.

I’d prefer a society where A earns 10k and B earns 100k than to one where A earns 1k and B earns 5 k.

Equality of outcome and the Gini coefficient type of analysis tell us otherwise – and we must make everyone worse off.

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8 Oct 12 at 6:32 pm
Aww geez. That’s why I say so little about me. Someone always remembers.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 6:32 pm
Oh no. Here we go again. Julia the victim:

Gillard’s Facebook Q&A turns sexist

Gillard cops sexist spray in Facebook live chat

PM Facebook chat descends into abuse

/Google News lead stories.

Crikey:

Julia Gillard may have been hoping for a debate on education when she logged in for a Facebook live chat this afternoon — instead, she got sexist taunts and was told to “get my dinner ready”.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 6:34 pm
The reason I am not answering your questions Dot is because you seem intent on proving I have no economics knowledge and seeing as I have been teaching it at teriary level, since 1995 both tutoring and lecturing and have written course modules and contributions to textbooks with acknowledgements currently in use, participated in research projects and all sorts of activities and seeing as you cant get your head around the fact that people can and do change careers like I did with nursing and instead you have spent ALL FUCKING DAY trolling for my past posts going back years in some insane quest to prove I am lying about my life which I am actually not and its really none of your business and I dont know why you care?

Why the fuck would I answer a single one of your questions now you rude little prig after how you went on like a pork chop today?
I just think you are completely mad. Your questions are not about discussing anything to do with economics Dot. They are about something far more shallow and just plain dumb ie your questions are about proving your own blind assumption right when you are, in reality, so wrong.

I will say this
- for an economics srudent you jump to a hell of a lot of blind assumptions but worse than that, you cant even countenance the idea you might actually be wrong. Not a great character trait in an economist but you wouldnt be alone in that one.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 6:37 pm
instead, she got sexist taunts and was told to “get my dinner ready”.

Big mistake. Her kitchen had seen less action than mOnty on Friday night.

Infidel Tiger

8 Oct 12 at 6:38 pm
They had to shut the Tony Abbott Facebook page down some time after the 2010 election due to the vile, vicious comments made about him, his wife and his three daughters. Really nasty pornographic stuff about his family and horrid stuff about him, including the various ways they’d like to see him die,

The hilarious thing about the Gillard whine today is one of the comments cited as being outrageous was:

Worst PM ever.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 6:39 pm
Woe have a go it this absolute pack of rubbish.http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/live-online-chat-with-julia-gillard-turns-nasty/story-fndo2j43-1226490891092 I have been over to this site regularly over the last three days.I may have missed something but I have not seen one abusive post in that time.I have seen negative gillard posts and have posted my views as well,although nothing abusive or nasty.I have said before that in my view this is one of the strangest sites I have ever been to and I’m convinced it is mostly computer generated.This is one of the most inaccurate stories i”ve seen and this so called journalist has done not a whit of research.It has Mc Ternan written all over it and I would go so far as to I think the abusive comments were placed in my opinion.This really is outrages…

max49

8 Oct 12 at 6:43 pm
I’ve been blocked from commenting on the ALP facebook page. I’ve also been blocked from the Greens, too.

Not sure why.

The Barry O lovepages don’t like me much either.

nilk

8 Oct 12 at 6:44 pm
Tax cuts and rationalising the tax system will always increase output as long as there is a balanced budget

Well there’s a problem right there.

The Ryan budget, despite its cuts and aggressive fiscal moves, does not balance the budget for at least 23 years, according to the House Budget Committee and the Congressional Budget Office.

Or you are proposing a 1.3 trillion dollar cut to government spending is going to be done overnight?

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 6:44 pm
LOL Nilk. I’ve been blocked from the Gillard PM Facebook page as well as The Greens FB page. I asked too many questions.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 6:46 pm
I have been teaching it at teriary level, since 1995 both tutoring and lecturing and have written course modules and contributions to textbooks with acknowledgements currently in use

Jesus Christ. Hand your degree back and ask for your money back.

You can answer the questions to prove you are not bullshitting.

I can’t get my head around this because you talk like an incompetent lumpkin who believes in all kinds of silly populisms and conspiracy theories.

Why do you not know the laws your practised under in the UK under the time, how did you become specialised in haematological medicine and why can’t you answer simple questions about trade economics, foreign investment etc?

I note before on Qweergeans blog you have complained about how inadequately textbooks were written. These seems an odd complaint from someone who raves about their own textbooks “in use”. Lecturers normally write textbooks on the subjects they teach and use their own textbooks.

You can’t even do that right, but purport to be my intellectual superior.

Please Alice, I just want to talk about economics.

Why do you think the public sector is equally efficient to the private sector when I’ve shown it is around 88.9% less efficient? Note the AFR article I linked previously.

Please Alice, if you really know as much as you say you do, you can really enlighten me. A near doubling which doesn’t exist is something I shouldn’t take on as fact. I would like an explanation.

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8 Oct 12 at 6:47 pm
Alice were you matron’s pet?

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 6:48 pm
“Julia the victim: ”

Did McTernan organise this Facebook abuse to get more sympathy for Julia the victim?

although “worst PM ever” sounds very genuine actually.

candy

8 Oct 12 at 6:50 pm
Big mistake. Her kitchen had seen less action than mOnty on Friday night.

Actually more as Tim does her hair in the kitchen of a Friday

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 6:51 pm
Steve is discussing economics again. Our next guest lecturer will be a dolphin discussing the finer points of hang gliding.

Infidel Tiger

8 Oct 12 at 6:51 pm
Let me answer one of your ill defined questions Dot.

Some suggestions why Irish gris went to London at that time 70s/80s a) find work b) possibly find a richer english boyfriend or husband or c) travel to europe d) go to a sex pistols concert or e) perhaps procure legal abortions in the NHS or elsewhere which I think is the answer you are looking for.

I wont rank it first because I dont know all the reasons Irish girls went to London in the 1970s/80s

Once again its not a well phrased question.

Abortion was illegal in Ireland at that time is my understanding requiring irish girls to travel to London if they wanted a legal or safe abortion. However I have not studied the history of abortion rules and practices in Ireland and nor have I studied patterns of gender specific movements between Ireland and London.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 6:51 pm
dot: as many economists (I am sure) would say: the point is not that tax cuts are never appropriate.

The point is that tax cuts are not always appropriate – and at a time of extraordinary budget debt, tax cuts (or tax reform, allowing for Romney’s dubious claim that he’ll re-jig things so there is no lost government revenue) that disproportionately benefit the rich are especially unlikely to serve any economic benefit.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 6:52 pm
Candy it would not surprise to learn that there were no real abusive comments, after all we’re told the moderators got rid of them. . Also I wouldn’t raise an eyebrow if it became known the “abusive” comments were staged.

McTernan and Gillard are not above such things.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 6:54 pm
Abortion was illegal in Ireland at that time

Ireland is civilised.

Unless there’s a medical lifesaving indication medically induced abortion still is illegal.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 6:55 pm
The point is that tax cuts are not always appropriate – and at a time of extraordinary budget debt, tax cuts (or tax reform, allowing for Romney’s dubious claim that he’ll re-jig things so there is no lost government revenue) that disproportionately benefit the rich are especially unlikely to serve any economic benefit.

Leftist ballcocks

All you bastards ever cause is human misery especially for the poor

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 6:57 pm
Dot – why do you think the private sector has the sole claim on efficiency?
Why do you think efficiency is the only objective in town?
Why is price the only thing that matters?.
You can buy the lies Dot but I am really over them. There are times when I am deeply ashamed to teach it.

Tell me Dot – do you think all economic agents are rational?
Do you think they all always act in their own self interest?
Do think markets always find equilibrium if left to their own devices?
Perhaps the reason I dont wwant to discuss economics with you Dot is because you buy into traditional orthodoxy and I dont. I dont see any meeting grounds between us.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 6:58 pm
In my opinion this gillard abuse thing is a put up job.Tele and Fairfax both running it..

max49

8 Oct 12 at 6:58 pm
e) perhaps procure legal abortions in the NHS or elsewhere which I think is the answer you are looking for.

They couldn’t go to Belfast, failing that, Liverpool or Manchester?

They just take an expensive trip to London for an abortion, on the off hand that they will get a better boyfriend?

That’s an interesting theory.

Now explain how you became specialised in haematological medicine without any qualifications.

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8 Oct 12 at 6:59 pm
Hey Alice, before Dot answers your questions, how ’bout you answer his? They’re all there from today.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 7:00 pm
And now for something completely different.

Why men love breasts.

Dead Soul

8 Oct 12 at 7:02 pm
You answer some of my questions Dot because as far as I can see, when I respond to one of yours civilly you carry on like a pressure pack of vitriol.
Cant see a reason for all that hatred Dot – it couldnt be good for your blood pressure or mine.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 7:04 pm
Dot – why do you think the private sector has the sole claim on efficiency?
Why do you think efficiency is the only objective in town?
Why is price the only thing that matters?.
You can buy the lies Dot but I am really over them. There are times when I am deeply ashamed to teach it.

The AFR article I linked to noted that 15% of the output was from the public sector and it used 25% of the workers.

If you make a ratio out of the input output ratios, you come up with a number that shows the private sector is 88.9% more efficient.

This is a fact Alice. How do you explain this away?

No Alice, I don’t buy into the “orthodoxy”, but it is a useful framework and it is right quite a lot of the time.

It isn’t the norm either, it is just how you introduce a model without using too much maths (which you eschew anyway, you think it is a tool of oppression helping bankers to make money) and how they were historically formed.

You adjust that people are rational most of the time, can learn, forget things, markets tend towards equilibrium, the most liquid markets actually go there but it is temporary.

The RBA actually has macroeconometric models like this.

I find your lack of knowledge disturbing.

Again how do you explain away the demonstratable fact the private sector is more productive?

.

8 Oct 12 at 7:04 pm
Gab

Dot hasnt answered one of my questions ALL DAY but has peppered me with questions and insults and invective like a cross between a Spanish Inquisitor and a Sharia Court elder.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 7:06 pm
No Alice.

Please explain how you got your qualifications so we know you’re not lying. I am being quite civil at the moment, just as long as you are being honest.

.

8 Oct 12 at 7:06 pm
I read that last week, DS. Funny how no one has ever thought of that before.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 7:06 pm
And now for something completely different.

Why men love breasts.

You have to use language rightly.

It’s norks, bazookas, titties, boobs or knockers.

Otherwise if you use ‘breasts’ the qualifier ‘female’ has to added.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 7:07 pm
Dot hasnt answered one of my questions ALL DAY

Yes I have. Stop being evasive.

.

8 Oct 12 at 7:07 pm
Perhaps the reason I dont wwant to discuss economics with you Dot is because you buy into traditional orthodoxy and I dont. I dont see any meeting grounds between us.

There is no meeting ground between mental derangement and reality.

Dot, give up. Alice is seriously fucked in the head. Just ignore this sad pathetic human.

Will

8 Oct 12 at 7:09 pm
IT: you’d notice, if you were anything other than an mere fanboy in the Gab or Lizzie mould of the brand of right wing small government/free market/libertarian economists that we see at Catallaxy, that I actually quote and cite articles, studies and other economists to back up my arguments.

You wave your hands, pick up the pom poms and adjust your sports bra and start with the “dot is right, steve is dumb (and probably gay)” chant, in a very unedifying way. (Of course, as we have established before, you consider the entire male population of Europe to be gay, except perhaps for Burlusconi, so your pathetic views on matters of sexuality must be understood in this light.)

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 7:09 pm
I actually quote and cite articles, studies and other economists to back up my arguments

Perhaps you might if you ever made an argument liar.

Why dontcha try it once for a novelty?

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 7:12 pm
Schiff was right, Steve.

The Ryan plan is inadequate but at least it recognises there is a looming problem.

You ought to sign up to his newsletter and media alerts.

.

8 Oct 12 at 7:13 pm
Did McTernan organise this Facebook abuse to get more sympathy for Julia the victim?

Yes it’s the whole thing is so obviously a fabricated sympathy exercise that it’s not even funny.

Only the dumbest fucker in the universe would think that Gillard wouldn’t cop troll abuse on Facebook.

No, this is merely tieing into the whole shutdown the internet / people are mean to poor Gillard meme.

Once again they wring some mileage out of Gillards fathers death. Unbelievable.

At what point did “worst PM ever” become a “vile remark” by the way?

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 7:14 pm
That was a vigorous rejoinder Steve. Your testosterone shots must be working.

Infidel Tiger

8 Oct 12 at 7:15 pm
Ha. Julie Bishop has challenged the PM and her female “ministers” to comment on Slipper’s misogynistic texts and give reason why he should continue to be Speaker.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 7:16 pm
Obama pokes fun at own debate performance

Speaking at a celebrity-led fundraiser at the Nokia Theatre, Obama came on stage after performances by such singers as Katy Perry, Jon Bon Jovi and Stevie Wonder and remarks by actor George Clooney. He marveled at how they are able to perform flawlessly night after night and then said, quote, “I can’t always say the same.”

…

He was capping his night at a ritzy 150-guest dinner costing $25,000 person.

As Biden would say, “You know, this is a big fucking meal!”

Fleeced

8 Oct 12 at 7:16 pm
“No Alice, I don’t buy into the “orthodoxy”, but it is a useful framework and it is right quite a lot of the time”.

I completely disagree. It is more wrong than it is right. The orthodoxy works disproportionately for some increasingly at the cost to the majority. There is loittle revision. There is little analysis of the massive faultlines in our financial systems, growing inequality, entire nations being laid to economic waste and people like you suggest “The orthdoxy is a useful framework. You dont always agree with it but it works most of the time”.

No it doesnt. It is a crock of bullshit and a fairy story and it needed examining decades ago when it started to fail and economists stopped thinking and instead started building pretty models based on unrealistic persons and not looking at real data from real economies to search for the signs where they just might have been stuffing up economic policy. Economic history was consigned to the dustbin as economists decided they were better as fortune tellers or autiustic incomprehensible garbled jargon spewing mathmaticians.

Its a monumental waste of your intelligence Dot if thats what you think you want to study. Advertising and marketing has a much better grasp of people and how they behave han economics. I would likely even bet JC would have a better idea of how markets and people work than your average mainstream economics degree subject.

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 7:17 pm
At what point did “worst PM ever” become a “vile remark” by the way?

It was “abusive”. And that’s becuase “she” belongs to a minority. LOL

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 7:19 pm
Her staffer got boned for it.

Not so Dot. He was rewarded with protection and a new gig in the UK.

Septimus

8 Oct 12 at 7:22 pm
Australia day set up gillard FB page outrage the same..

max49

8 Oct 12 at 7:23 pm
Alice

I know you are a troll because of what you just wrote, not just because of your cock and bull career in abortions as an unaccredited specialist nurse in another field.

Supply and demand curves do not hurt people. Research is revision. Models use real world data. People still study economic history, which you have demonstrated you have a poor grasp of – you had no idea of the benefits that centre left and right Governments created by engaging in supply side policies and you couldn’t even touch the question about India and capital controls.

Advertising and marketing teach students about the elasticity of demand when they learn about how to price products and they also learn about supply chains and scale economies when it comes to integrated marketing and business analysis. Students are nearly always co-enrolled or co-requisite to learn microeconomics and there is an overlap in microeconometrics and marketing statistics.

You are a rambling idiot, and a sad person with at least two fake careers and at least four fake academic degrees.

Bye.

.

8 Oct 12 at 7:27 pm
“Did McTernan organise this Facebook abuse to get more sympathy for Julia the victim?”

Someone above kindly posted a few paragraphs of McTernan’s beliefs in his own words and after reading that I feel McTernan capable of anything to achieve a goal, that kind of person.

candy

8 Oct 12 at 7:35 pm
Now isn’t this weird.

Crickey filed exactly the same story about Gillards “barrage of sexist” comments two hours ago too.

Apparently there was so many comments that the Crikey intern who posted the story copied and pasted exactly the same couple of comments as the Daily telegraph did:

instead, she got sexist taunts and was told to “get my dinner ready”.

but other users responded angrily to a comment from Matthew Van Den Bos asking “How’s your dad?”

Was there a media release from the PM’s office about this or was it just a quiet email to a couple of stenographers?

http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/10/08/gillard-cops-s-xist-spray-in-facebook-live-chat/

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 7:40 pm
twostix,candy,you are right and this is is a bloody barefaced evil..

max49

8 Oct 12 at 7:43 pm
Is Matthew Van Der Boss actually a real person?

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 7:47 pm
Matthew Van Den Bos

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 7:49 pm
It’s interesting that under the new media laws proposed by Labor Alan Jones would have easily suppressed the illegally recorded footage of him.

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 7:51 pm
Dot

You have some growing up to do

the pressure cooker of your vitriol strikes again

“Alice

I know you are a troll because of what you just wrote, not just because of your cock and bull career in abortions as an unaccredited specialist nurse in another field.”

Dot I cant be bothered to discuss anything with you at all. I picked you nicely when I made the comment that you accept orthoxy and I dont and there would never be any meeting grounds for us to discuss much at all.

You just proved it. Defend your view of economics and its worth Dot. A growing number of people are totally disenchanted with it, myself included.
I am happy for you to fabricate myself as being an abortion nurse now is it? You can invent whatever you like about me (and have been busy at that all day) create whatever political opinion you want by creating the right set of algorithms in the right mathematical model twisted your way (as so many are) and get it published in a mainstream journal – most of which have been hijacked and sold back to unis in to the interests of Elsevier (no this isnt knowledge – its product) and ignore every piece of fact and evidence under the sun. You will make a fine economist in this failing and dishonest science Dot.
I hope you enjoy your bank career trajectory working against the very essence of good economics and may you rot in hell (which you will).

Alice

8 Oct 12 at 7:52 pm
twostix if their laws turn out that way I’ll stand for in the main street with a wire brush..

max49

8 Oct 12 at 7:53 pm
Why men love breasts.

Because they’re lovely.

dover_beach

8 Oct 12 at 7:56 pm
Alice, you’re a troll. You only came here to pick fights. You’re not interested in why this website exists. Fuck off back to the lavishly funded government websites that were set up to be socialist echo chambers just for people like you.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 8:09 pm
right wing small government/free market/libertarian economists that we see at Catallaxy

Groß Gott! So this is Australia’s leading libertarian and centre-right blog, not some green, left, DIY Prince Albert fancier’s blog.

lotocoti

8 Oct 12 at 8:10 pm
An aardvark phoned: said he had some views on economics… like Steve.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 8:30 pm
Which poor sucker is on Q&A duty this evening?

Tal

8 Oct 12 at 8:36 pm
Which poor sucker is on Q&A duty this evening?

Hmmm.
Watch Q&A or shave one’s head with a cheese grater…

lotocoti

8 Oct 12 at 8:41 pm
Watch Q&A or shave one’s head with a cheese grater…

Does it have to be one of the two? Can’t I just download something off the net and watch that instead?

It’s not just the pain I’m afraid of – I really hate washing the cheese grater.

Fleeced

8 Oct 12 at 8:45 pm
Why men love breasts.

Because women have them.

Mk50 of Brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 8:45 pm
Sorry, I can’t do QandA. I just can’t.

It’s bad enough attending the occasional BDS/Solidarity/Anarchist rally without having it in my living room.

Oh, and what’s tonight’s question about gay marriage? Maybe we can make a QandA bingo. Knock back a shot of jagermeister each time gay marriage is brought up. I’ll be trashed by 9.50.

nilk

8 Oct 12 at 8:47 pm
Maybe the most balanced panel on Q&A ever

Kate Ellis – Minister for Employment Participation
Christopher Pyne – Shadow Education Minister
Lindsay Tanner – Former Finance Minister
Nilaja Sun – American actor and playwright (???)
Piers Akerman – Political commentator

.

8 Oct 12 at 8:48 pm
Nilk

My drinking game is to watch insiders and

abbot 2 fingers

abbot abbot 4 fingers

abbot abbot abbot finish whatever you have and pour a new one

.

8 Oct 12 at 8:50 pm
For the kiddies at home, Uncle Dot is of course talking about coffee as insiders is aired Sunday 9am .

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 8:52 pm
Pyno is always good value.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 8:52 pm
Who was from labor that called Pyne a “mincing poodle”? Oh yeah, that’s right, Gillard.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 8:55 pm
fuck me snow cone tone is a low animal partisan dog.
Also, Kate Ellis (aka Adelaide Town Bike) is seriously as dumb as dog shit. Another Emily’s Lister who has over reached her level of incompetence.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

8 Oct 12 at 8:55 pm
The look of horror on the young dish-lickers face when Akerman pointed out that Gillard stated that wives are prostitutes was priceless.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

8 Oct 12 at 9:05 pm
Why men love breasts.

Isn’t the human race well designed? Two sexes that excite each other. Except for the fatal design flaw: they last only slightly longer than cars.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 9:07 pm
The look of horror on the young dish-lickers face when Akerman pointed out that Gillard stated that wives are prostitutes was priceless.

lol Really? I may just watch the show tomorrow just to see that!

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 9:08 pm
Bwahaha!

Abbott popularity on the rise:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/tony-abbott-support-lifts-in-latest-newspoll/story-fn59niix-1226490973454

Infidel Tiger

8 Oct 12 at 9:12 pm
Leftism makes pretty women ugly.

The horrible facial expressions of Kate Ellis.

Very sad to witness.

What a particularly ugly episode of the now routinely awful QANDA

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 9:12 pm
This QandA audience is so stacked towards Labor supporters tonight. Listen to the relative applause for pro-Abbott comments (a polite smattering) versus anti-Abbott – and earlier alan Jones. In those cases, they nearly brought the roof down and there were even cheers and whoops.

Incredible. For the ABC to claim that this is a politically balanced audience is just a bald-faced lie.

dd

8 Oct 12 at 9:13 pm
But Alice you inferred you only became an economist after the 1980s.

Alice, if you really want to rile dot, point out he doesn’t know the difference between infer and imply, as evidenced above.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 9:13 pm
From IT:

SUPPORT for the Gillard government has fallen and Tony Abbott’s personal position has improved during three weeks of intense political debate about the Opposition Leader’s attitude to women.

Electoral backing for Labor and the Coalition has returned to the position it has held for most of this year and voter satisfaction with the way Mr Abbott is doing his job has lifted from an equal record low in the middle of last month.

According to the latest Newspoll survey, conducted exclusively for The Australian on the weekend, Labor’s primary vote support has dropped three percentage points to 33 per cent and the Coalition’s rose four percentage points to 45 per cent. Primary support for the Greens dropped from 12 to 10 per cent.

Based on preference flows at the 2010 election, the Coalition’s two-party preferred lead has returned to a resounding election-winning lead of eight points, 54 per cent to the ALP’s 46 per cent. At the 2010 election Labor won 50.1 per cent of the two-party preferred vote and the Coalition 49.9 per cent.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 9:14 pm
Nilaja Sun is not pretty pretty; just pretty pathetic

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 9:14 pm
Yes, it might be worth the price of admission to see that lol

nilk

8 Oct 12 at 9:14 pm
Order is restored. We will get our public executions and leftism will be driven from the city walls.

Infidel Tiger

8 Oct 12 at 9:15 pm
Alice, if you really want to rile dot, point out he doesn’t know the difference between infer and imply, as evidenced above.

No, I am correct because she was rather direct.

You cannot “directly imply” something.

.

8 Oct 12 at 9:16 pm
The level of political knowledge amongst our youth is frightening. On the evidence on Q&A tonight, other than dot point talking points of the like that Green Left Weekly would put up, today’s youth are incredibly empty vessels.
The fact that when questioned on one of their talking points, they are rendered speechless indicates that they are simply regurgitating glib one liners with zero understanding of their subject matter.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

8 Oct 12 at 9:18 pm
The look of horror on the young dish-lickers face when Akerman pointed out that Gillard stated that wives are prostitutes was priceless.

Oh he went there?

About time somebody did.

Next up: Gillard thinks all men are rapists.
Gillard thinks political terrorism is acceptable.
Gillard chases married fathers
Gillard acted as a shill for her boyfriend when he convinced miners to hand him control of the Gold Miners Bereavement fund.
Gillard hired a political thug who lost preselection for his seat due to his involvement in the Cash for Peerage scandal in the UK to run her dirt unit.
Gillard was a paid employee and high level member of the financial successor to the communist party until she was 40.

Lots of ground to cover in the new era of political muckraking.

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 9:18 pm
SUPPORT for the Gillard government has fallen and Tony Abbott’s personal position has improved during three weeks of intense political debate about the Opposition Leader’s attitude to women.

Ahahahahahahaha.

The ~~Newman~~ Bligh Effect.

Keep throwing mud, Labor.

And keep talking too!

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 9:19 pm
Newspoll’s lat 2PP was 50/50. Now it’s 54 / 46. Has Newspoll given an explanation?

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 9:21 pm
Based on preference flows at the 2010 election, the Coalition’s two-party preferred lead has returned to a resounding election-winning lead of eight points, 54 per cent to the ALP’s 46 per cent. At the 2010 election Labor won 50.1 per cent of the two-party preferred vote and the Coalition 49.9 per cent.

First of all:

AHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Second:

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

And finally:

The polls didn’t “return” they never moved Newspoll was simply wrong and the fact that the media picked up the last radical outlier and ran as though it was some life altering poll is a disgrace.

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 9:23 pm
“Steve is discussing economics again. Our next guest lecturer will be a dolphin discussing the finer points of hang gliding.”

honestly, IT, you could be a standup comic and be a raging success.

candy

8 Oct 12 at 9:25 pm
Newspoll’s lat 2PP was 50/50. Now it’s 54 / 46. Has Newspoll given an explanation?

margins of error Gab. no single data point can be taken as the exact true situation. Each poll is a rough estimate, if you like.

dd

8 Oct 12 at 9:26 pm
Then the word you are looking for dot is “said”. The difference between infer and imply (in English, not economics) is not a metter of degree but a matter of perspective. The message sender implies the message receiver infers.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 9:32 pm
Gillard: Importing Tony Blairs media management strategy, Blairs client state, Blairs failed advisors and muckrakers and now…Blairs failed policy launches:

Teacher campaign just ‘reheated Blair’

OPPOSITION claims of plagiarism have overshadowed Julia Gillard’s launch of a campaign designed to attract standout students to teaching.

The Prime Minister launched the “Who’s your favourite teacher?” campaign last Friday, complete with a photo of herself in pigtails. Visitors to her Facebook page are asked to post photos and memories of their favourite teachers

But the opposition claims it is a carbon copy of efforts by former British Labour leader Tony Blair to boost teaching, which ultimately failed.

Gillard runs nothing:

The spokeswoman denied Ms Gillard’s communications director John McTernan, a former adviser to Mr Blair, was behind the campaign

Sure.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/teacher-campaign-just-reheated-blair/story-fn59niix-1226490226562

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 9:34 pm
Blair wore pigtails too?

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 9:35 pm
~~Simpsons~~ South Park did it: Entire Cities In World of Warcraft Dead

Fleeced

8 Oct 12 at 9:35 pm
Then the word you are looking for dot is “said”. The difference between infer and imply (in English, not economics) is not a metter of degree but a matter of perspective. The message sender implies the message receiver infers.

Steve how about you answer the question you’ve been avoiding.

You defined a “bully” as “somebody who uses their power against somebody with little or no recourse”.

Nicole Roxon used her power as Attorney General to attack and defame James Ashby.

Is she a bully as per your definition?

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 9:38 pm
Primary support for the Greens dropped from 12 to 10 per cent.

I’m excited by recent polling putting Greens support at just 8%. I am supremely confident that it will be 8% or less at the next election and the communists will struggle to get a quota in every state, meaning the three Green Senators who stand for re-election next year in Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania will all be defeated. That includes the author of Australia’s no-borders policy, Sarah Hanson-Young.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 9:38 pm
how did Piers go in Q & A? I couldn’t bear to watch it but I know others here do

val majkus

8 Oct 12 at 9:40 pm
I just saw the most hilarious Lateline promo eveh.

Alberici appeared on screen and announced tonight’s balanced story line-up.

“Tonight on Lateline: Malcolm Turnbull takes a swipe at political and media supporters of Alan Jones… And [']independent['] Tony Windsor says he’ll be asking Speaker Peter Slipper to explain his text messages about women.”

Can you imagine it? The Old Lezo and Fr Slipper discussing “clams” and “c–ts.”

After which, Windsor will advocate Slipper’s return to the chair – saying something like, “while I don’t approve of Mr Slipper’s comments, we all need to move on now and stop the hate.”

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 9:41 pm
Un-fucking believable!
With 3 minutes to go on Q&A, Akerman tried to make the point that he could not understand how on a weekly political program, there had been no mention of the corruption charges against a former ALP national president, the misogynistic texts by Gillards hand picked Speaker but snow cone would not have a bar of it and shut him down.
I challenge anyone that can stomach it, to watch and not want to smash the screen.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

8 Oct 12 at 9:45 pm
So Turnbull will be bashing the Liberal Party again and advocating Finkelsteinian measures. I wish he would just move over to Labor. At least it would be official then.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 9:46 pm
Check out Matthew van der Bos’s Facebook (looks like it was set up on 1/10/12) & Linked In (garbage).

This is as dodgy as the Change.Org survey. Good enough for a lazy google search. No good when the surface is scratched.

There is a real Matt van der Bos in the US.

This really does look like the Australia Day riot repeated.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 9:46 pm
She didn’t say that, however.

You’re wrong anyway. The sender can infer and imply but the receiver can only infer. The sender can infer as long as the conclusion is obvious and the receiver requires no reasoning to come to that conclusion.

.

8 Oct 12 at 9:47 pm
Newspoll – yet another false dawn for Gillard.

Cue the KRudd.

H B Bear

8 Oct 12 at 9:48 pm
That’s why I asked earlier if that matthew van dur bos was real as I only found the dummied up link’d spot.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 9:49 pm
e.g

“A whole number that comes after nine but before eleven”

It was inferred that it is ten, because I know as a fact that is the next number. I do not need to reason that it is the next number – it was already inferred to me in the message because the conclusion is obvious and requires no reasoning as it relies on fact alone.

I can choose to otherwise infer it is ten myself as well by wasting my time with number theory.

.

8 Oct 12 at 9:50 pm
Can someone tell me when the economics that most people follow at the Cat become orthodox?

Token

8 Oct 12 at 9:51 pm
I tried to watch Lateline, but I got a little bit of sick in my mouth when Turnbull started talking. He would have apoligised for Hitler.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 9:51 pm
A government owned NBN? ASIO with access to everbody’s web history for years? What could go wrong?
Suspicion over Dotcom net glitch

Telecom engineers investigating internet irregularities weeks before GCSB[NZ Government Communications Security Bureau] has said it started spying on him.

The GCSB is under police investigation after admitting it illegally spied on Mr Dotcom between December 16 and January 20, the day of the raid. It is also studying three other cases of possible illegal action carried out after requests from the police.

The other cases emerged after Prime Minister John Key – who is responsible for the agency – ordered an inquiry. Asked about the possibility of earlier spying, a spokeswoman said the Prime Minister had sought and received “a fresh assurance” the GCSB and Security Intelligence Service had not carried out any surveillance before December 16.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10838484

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 9:52 pm
I think Turnbull beleives all the lefty BS about wanting him to be Lib leader. He’s well forgotten what they used to say about him.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 9:52 pm
Newspoll – yet another false dawn for Gillard.

Sounds like Abbott’s sorted out his problem with women.

What will the media have to talk about now? Piers does have helpful suggestions.

The opinion of women of Peter “Musselman” Slipper is topical.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 9:53 pm
I have to admit, never thought I’d say this about a member of the Socialist Left, but Lindsay Tanner, though I don’t agree with him on everything, is pretty sharp. Why the fuck wasn’t he Treasurer instead of that idiot Swan?

It’s just embarrassing having him next to current Labor ministers like Kate Ellis – makes you realise how bad the current lot are.

I seriously reckon Tanner was the last grown-up to leave the ALP – he was mart enough to see where they were headed

papachango

8 Oct 12 at 9:55 pm
So Turnbull will be bashing the Liberal Party again and advocating Finkelsteinian measures. I wish he would just move over to Labor. At least it would be official then.

Actually no he didn’t. I think Turnbull gave a pretty important speech that was truly liberal in the true sense of the word.

He did diss Jones comments, something I disagree with as I think Jones said nothing really that offensive. Any father would be mortified with the Lying Slapper.

Turnbull suggested that government intervention in the media markets was ridiculous as social media shows that people have a voice and can be heard. That’s a fair point.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 9:56 pm
The Matthew van der Bos fb page does seem a bit dodgy… but then trolls would probably set up a fake one anyway, if they were half smart (though most of them aren’t)

That said, it fits ALP’s pattern to do something like this, and in this case, it keeps the misogyny angle going; allows Gillard to play the victim card; and, supports their anti-fb/social media agenda. There isn’t a single form of media these fuckers don’t want control over.

Fleeced

8 Oct 12 at 9:57 pm
Fair enough, JC. Thank you for the correction.

So Turnbull will be bashing the Liberal Party again. I wish he would just move over to Labor. At least it would be official then.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 9:58 pm
Snow Cone and Turnbull – what TV in hell will be like. And you can’t find the remote for eternity.

H B Bear

8 Oct 12 at 9:58 pm
how did Piers go in Q & A?

As ever he takes ages to spit it out. JUST SPIT IT OUT PIERS!!!!

Viva

8 Oct 12 at 10:00 pm
I know from experience, unfortunately, that ALP trolls set up fake accounts and cause havoc on the Gillard FB page pretending to be Libs.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 10:01 pm
Turnbull was supporting exactly what we do here. That is highlight the left’s dishonesty, stupidity and their Stalist attempt to close debate when it gets too hot.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 10:01 pm
I know from experience, unfortunately, that ALP trolls set up fake accounts and cause havoc on the Gillard FB page pretending to be Libs.

Yes, it’s kind of funny, really… use obnoxious slander against their own side, and then the Hi-Alan approach against the Libs.

Fleeced

8 Oct 12 at 10:04 pm
Turnbull was supporting exactly what we do here. That is highlight the left’s dishonesty, stupidity and their Stalist attempt to close debate when it gets too hot.

Nut naturally, the ABC focus on his Jones knock, and make that the headline. No surprises – that’s a large part of way ALP side pushes it in the first place.

Fleeced

8 Oct 12 at 10:06 pm
That said, it fits ALP’s pattern to do something like this, and in this case, it keeps the misogyny angle going; allows Gillard to play the victim card; and, supports their anti-fb/social media agenda. There isn’t a single form of media these fuckers don’t want control over

Killing social media will hurt them just as much as it will hurt anybody else.

It would be a decision predicated upon the notion that they don’t require grass roots activism any longer, that all those multitudes on crazy, nasty, leftists on Twitter should be silenced. Now given that they are the rotting carcass of The Establishment that’s not totally wrong for the moment, owning the ABC and Fairfax as they do, but it’s pretty short sighted.

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 10:06 pm
I don’t think he was basking the Liberal Party, Gab. There are a lot of people on the right who don’t have any time for Jones. I don’t. In fact most people here are critical of a idiot.

Turnbull was doing nothing more than what we do here and there is no rule in the liberal Party that says Jones can’t be criticized. Abbott had a go at him for saying what he did about the Lying Slapper.

Turnbull was actually defending free speech rights and showing how stupid and unnecessary regulation would be.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 10:06 pm
But you’re right, Fleeced, they are pretty dumb because they would then scuttle back to another FB page and brag about it.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 10:06 pm
I know from experience, unfortunately, that ALP trolls set up fake accounts and cause havoc on the Gillard FB page pretending to be Libs.

This place had a few moby’s a year or two ago, remember?

All we have at the moment is SteveC who avoids answering difficult questions.

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 10:11 pm
Then I misunderstood the initial comment, JC:

Malcolm Turnbull takes a swipe at political and media supporters of Alan Jones

Abbott said he would still go on Jones’ show as has another 1 or 2 Lib, so I thought Turnbull was going to take a swipe at the them.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 10:11 pm
I’m just watching Q&A now (daylight saving and all): it seems to me that Chris Pyne’s hair is less intensely curly now.

As for Newspoll: given Essential, I am guessing true Labor Primary is higher than 33%. Probably 35%.

And Gillard is more popular:

However, Julia Gillard has improved further on her strongly improved personal ratings last time, holding steady on approval at 36% and dropping two on disapproval to 50%, producing her best net approval rating since April last year. The wide gap which opened on preferred prime minister last time has narrowed only modestly, coming in at 43-33 in Gillard’s favour rather than 46-32. Tony Abbott’s personal ratings have also improved, his approval up three to 33% and disapproval down five to 55%.

So, she’s preferred Prime Minister, and has an approval rating of – 14% compared to Abbott’s 22%.

All this after Pickering’s failed sleazefest campaign.

All in all, given that all polls have shown Labor’s position improving, and there should be 12 months before an election, not too bad a position to be in, in the circumstances.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 10:12 pm
All we have at the moment is SteveC who avoids answering difficult questions.

He’s the classic leftist coward.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 10:12 pm
Finally got to read the Cohen article in The Australian today.

Throughout the 1970s and 80s one dictatorship after another joined and formed blocs of self-interest. Arab countries, Islamic countries, sub-Saharan Africa, the Soviet and Chinese blocs and smaller groups voted to ensure each others’ breaches of human rights were ignored. They could agree to target only one country in the Middle East and that was the only genuine democracy in the region — Israel.

Havana was the highlight of my IPU adventures. It was traditional for the head of state of the host country to welcome visiting delegates.

Fidel Castro must have had a sore throat for he could manage only a truncated peroration of just two hours. It was the most nauseating drivel I have been forced to listen to as an MP. Here are quotes from a speech I made after Castro had spoken.

FFS, when I read this and see Gary Johns in action on Bolt Report I get very agree remembering how Labor once was not just the dregs of the middle class.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 10:14 pm
as social media shows that people have a voice and can be heard. That’s a fair point.

It’s nothing to do with social media and people having their voices heard. It is orchestrated cyber manipulation using the same techniques as cyber criminals, cyber warfare and cyber terrorists, e.g. poll scamming and spam botnets. BTW, it may seem irrelevant, but spam bots are illegal.

Lazlo

8 Oct 12 at 10:15 pm
You think Turnbull is a wrecker now, wait ’til the Libs are in power. He will be Keating on steroids. The power games start when Abbott becomes PM: Abbott vs Turnbull, Libs vs Greens, Libs vs GetUp, Libs vs unelected snakes in the PS and academia.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 10:15 pm
Abbott’s -22% approval rating, I meant…

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 10:15 pm
All in all, given that all polls have shown Labor’s position improving, and there should be 12 months before an election, not too bad a position to be in, in the circumstances.

lol

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 10:16 pm
Malcolm Turnbull takes a swipe at political and media supporters of Alan Jones

That’s just the ABC being leftwing hacks. Alberici is is most ways worse than Tony Jones (fatty). She’s not smart, knows her limitations and goes very left in order to maintain her spot and avoid criticism. She’s a first rate scum bag.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 10:16 pm
Nut naturally, the ABC focus on his Jones knock, and make that the headline. No surprises – that’s a large part of way ALP side pushes it in the first place.

JC, Turnbull continues to drop this crap as he knows it will dominate the media cycle and ruin any momentum Abbott has built up.

Why the f*** is hit not hitting the NBN white elephant around the park and having a wee wander again?

Token

8 Oct 12 at 10:16 pm
Tom

Turnbull has no constituency in the Libs. He knows he will never be leader again.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 10:18 pm
dot, what source are you using for your usage of infer and imply?

Here’s a useful explanation from an online dictionary. As i mentioned once before, I recommend you get a copy of Fowler’s modern english usage, which has an excellent explanation.

Usage Note: Infer is sometimes confused with imply, but the distinction is a useful one. When we say that a speaker or sentence implies something, we mean that it is conveyed or suggested without being stated outright: When the mayor said that she would not rule out a business tax increase, she implied (not inferred) that some taxes might be raised. Inference, on the other hand, is the activity performed by a reader or interpreter in drawing conclusions that are not explicit in what is said: When the mayor said that she would not rule out a tax increase, we inferred that she had been consulting with some new financial advisers, since her old advisers were in favor of tax reductions.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 10:18 pm
You think Turnbull is a wrecker now, wait ’til the Libs are in power.

Yep, the chances of Turnbull getting sacked from the ministry increase exponentially. Can’t wait. Maybe this time he will have a hissy fit *and* keep his promise to quit.

CC

8 Oct 12 at 10:20 pm
Twostix, the more SoB does such obvious trolling, the clearer it is he is a lonely bachelor sitting in his underwear desperate for any attention.

Token

8 Oct 12 at 10:20 pm
Token

He’s shadow media spokesman, so talking about the government’s attempts to regulate media is in his bag. I think demonstrating there is no need to regulate with the recent example of social media’s attack on Jones was an excellent way of trying to move public opinion against the Liars Party attempts to regulate against criticism.

Look, I can’t read his mind and therefore don’t know his true motives, however he will never be leader again.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 10:22 pm
He knows he will never be leader again.

If only his giant ego would allow him to fuck off then.

H B Bear

8 Oct 12 at 10:22 pm
He knows he will never be leader again.

I’m not sure he does.

Fleeced

8 Oct 12 at 10:22 pm
dot, what source are you using for your usage of infer and imply?

Steve you patronisingly sneered “I regard someone as a bully if they use their position of power (Jones broadcasting) to attack others who have little course of redress.”

I asked you (three times now) is Roxon who used her power as Attorney General to attack and defame James Ashby a bully?

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 10:23 pm
Oh fuck, another moron citing dictionary definitions.

SteveC, Kimberly your plastic sex doll is calling out for you. Go!

JC

8 Oct 12 at 10:24 pm
And when is the time gonna be fixed on these posts to reflect DS time? (Let’s not worry about the backward states that don’t have it)

Fleeced

8 Oct 12 at 10:24 pm
SteveC isn’t there a grammar blog you could be trolling? There are certainly websites for those as anal as you are. Try Googling “anal” and “boring” and you will find hours of stuff to keep you occupied.

Infidel tiger

8 Oct 12 at 10:24 pm
He knows he will never be leader again.

I really want to believe you – you’ve been 2 for 2 so far but…I just don’t trust Turnbull.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 10:24 pm
Yes, JC, Turnbull has no power base. But he thinks something will turn up to make him a hero again because he’s a narcissistic arsehole with an ego the size of a city block. The Libs should put him to sleep before next year.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 10:25 pm
Turnbull suggested that government intervention in the media markets was ridiculous as social media shows that people have a voice and can be heard. That’s a fair point.

There’s an important caveat JC.

Turnbull maintained this was just a democratic response with technology “empowering” normal people.

Jones can dish it out and now he’s getting a righteous does of his own medicine or somesuch.

It’s utter bollocks

Most likely what’s happening is ‘Get Up’ leftist activism with a few hundred mounting possibly 100,000 ‘signatures’.

Turnbull fucking well knows that.

He didn’t even suggest that might be a problem for a second.

That’s really not much different to the Greenslimes’ BDS thuggery

Turnbull was just being Turnbull.

Firstly disingenuous and secondly pay back against his own enemies

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 10:25 pm
lol

JC

8 Oct 12 at 10:25 pm
Malcolm Turnbull doesn’t have the charisma, doesn’t connect with people. It’s never going to happen.

candy

8 Oct 12 at 10:26 pm
Malcolm Turnbull doesn’t have the charisma, doesn’t connect with people. It’s never going to happen.

Maybe not, but as long as he thinks it can happen, (and unlike JC, I believe he does think that), then he’ll remain a destabilising force.

Fleeced

8 Oct 12 at 10:31 pm
James

It may well be true that GetUp is behind the get Jones thing, but so what?

Let them play that dishonest game in the open arena rather than having that piece of shit Benito Conroy and the putrid little turd, Shane Wand fickelstien it all away.

Look, pound for pound the right in Australia has the upper hand in the social media. Ex-ABC we fucking kill them.

Look at this site for instance. Look at the way we treat the left and the shit we say about them. That’s what they want to kill off.

Don’t forget that it was Pickering using a blog that basically went after the Lying Slapper and caused bleeding.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 10:32 pm
twostix, I don’t know If i would use the word bully for Roxon on Ashby, a bully usually shows a repeated pattern – as is the case with Jones. But certainly in the Roxon case her remarks (as AG) were highly inappropriate about someone suing the commonwealth

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 10:32 pm
Look at Bolt for instance. He basically used a blog to get his name out there and now has a TV program which is blasting Bawie Cassidy’s leftwing government funded one out of the water.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 10:34 pm
twostix, I don’t know If i would use the word bully for Roxon on Ashby, a bully usually shows a repeated pattern – as is the case with Jones. But certainly in the Roxon case her remarks (as AG) were highly inappropriate about someone suing the commonwealth

See now that wasn’t so hard now was it?

twostix

8 Oct 12 at 10:39 pm
It may well be true that GetUp is behind the get Jones thing, but so what?

Are you serious?

BDS can destroy Max Brenner’s coffee shops then so what?

If da Greenslimes can effectively shut up Jones, then Hadley will be next.

Gillard wouldn’t have needed to heavy Fairfax to see Smith lose his job, she could get her mates at Get Up to finish Smith’s career without having her grubby paws all over the shutting down of free speech.

So what?

So what?

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 10:39 pm
Look at Bolt for instance. He basically used a blog to get his name out there and now has a TV program which is blasting Bawie Cassidy’s leftwing government funded one out of the water.

Yes look at Bolt.

He can’t write or speak freely about aboriginal injustice

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 10:41 pm
Yea stix…

Fatty Roxon wasn’t trying to bully Ashbey. She was just being “highly inappropriate”. LoL

Fuck, you’re a first rate wanker SteveC. I can’t understand how Kimerberly your plastic sex doll can stand you.

It could even be a first in the Family court.

“Plastic sex doll sues for divorce”.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 10:42 pm
lol

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 10:43 pm
I’m 100% in agreement with Fleeced’s last comment

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 10:43 pm
So what do you propose then James? You think there ought to be legislation to protect Jones?

JC

8 Oct 12 at 10:44 pm
dot, what source are you using for your usage of infer and imply?

Reasoning, numbnuts.

.

8 Oct 12 at 10:45 pm
But certainly in the Roxon case her remarks (as AG) were highly inappropriate about someone suing the commonwealth

We should actually applaud a lefty writing that.

Good one Steve

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 10:45 pm
The BDS campaign has been a total disaster for the left. It’s actually motivated people who never knew the Max Brenner existed to support the firm.

JC

8 Oct 12 at 10:46 pm
Gallup conducts it’s first post-debate poll,

Romney up five points and now tied with Obama.

Also, watch these guys on Fox (one Rep and two Dems) show that the uptick for Romney is probably a lasting one.

here

Alex Pundit

8 Oct 12 at 10:47 pm
The RCP average of polls is now only 0.9 in favor of Obama….

Alex Pundit

8 Oct 12 at 10:48 pm
“Maybe not, but as long as he thinks it can happen, (and unlike JC, I believe he does think that), then he’ll remain a destabilising force.”

I also think he has visions of being leader again.
He never is supportive or seem to have a positive warm working relationship with Tony Abbott as does do the other senior ministers

candy

8 Oct 12 at 10:48 pm
Turnbull looks older than Steve.

I tried to watch Lateline, but I got a little bit of sick in my mouth when Turnbull started talking. He would have apoligised for Hitler.

Well, he apologised for Bill Henson’s talent-scouting expeditions in primary schools.

—————————————————-

Pyne and Piers riffed brilliantly at the end of Q&A – firing off a list of disasters after Ellis made the hilarious claim that the government has never made short-term policy fixes. “Nauru… East Timor… GroceryWatch…”

Of course the audience bussed in from the Sydney University Lesbian Knitters’ Collective didn’t like it.

LOL.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 10:50 pm
So what do you propose then James? You think there ought to be legislation to protect Jones?

Not specifically no.

I think ‘polls’ and internet signature campaigns to intimidate and boycott business should be derided unless there is evidence that they are genuine.

Moreover knowledgeable people like Turnbull who pretend they are genuine when they know they should be suspicious should be widely derided as the piece of scum they are

But if they are not genuine and have damaged business the people who run them should be subject to libel and personal damages compensation through the courts

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 10:52 pm
I don’t think it is correct to say Turnbull has no constituency in the Libs. Opinion polls Neilsen and Morgan still show Turnbull as preferred, even among coalition voters. Of course that doesn’t mean the Liberal party will actually elect him. But certainly would not discount the possibility of Turnbull becomming leader again before the next election.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 10:53 pm
I watched the latest South Park episode today, and it brought to my attention the existence of “Honey Boo Boo Child”. America! WTF?!

Fleeced

8 Oct 12 at 10:53 pm
Piers Ackerman was much better tomight than he normally is on tv.

He was excellent tonight

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 10:54 pm
uh-huh – dot just making stuff up again. no source, he just knows when he’s right.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 10:56 pm
The BDS campaign has been a total disaster for the left. It’s actually motivated people who never knew the Max Brenner existed to support the firm.

Yup and the same happened to Chick-fil-A in the US and Rush Limbaugh advertisers who left him suffered severely with a backlash and Limbaugh then refused to take them back when they returned sheepishly begging.

Their businesses suffered lasting damages.

Limbaugh’s audiences actually increased as did his new advertiser charges.

He’s making $millions more thanks to “the slut” and the Left’s response.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 11:00 pm
And when is the time gonna be fixed on these posts to reflect DS time? (Let’s not worry about the backward states that don’t have it)

It should reflect real time. The socialist south did it for lifestyles of the workers right?

kelly liddle

8 Oct 12 at 11:02 pm
It should reflect real time. The socialist south did it for lifestyles of the workers right?

Well, as libertarian as I am, “the time” is one thing I’m happy to have centralised… as long as it’s the way I want it

We all have our limits.

Fleeced

8 Oct 12 at 11:04 pm
All the post-debate polling is now in the system. It would take a major upset for Romney to lose from here. I’m not a big punter, but, as the local odds haven’t moved, I’ve just taken $500/$200 on Romney as my first bet of the spring.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 11:04 pm
After tonight’s Newspoll disaster I’m guessing John McTernan hasn’t been invited around to The Lodge to watch X-Factor over pizza and coke.

“No no, Julia – emphasising that Tony Abbott has a wife and a beautiful family and you don’t will play well in the outer Hebrides; I mean electorates… and stuff.”

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 11:06 pm
From Cut&Paste.

MICHELLE Grattan, The Age, September 17:

WHY doesn’t (Opposition Leader Tony Abbott) go out, just once in a while, without a staffer, perhaps taking his wife Margie – whom the public would really like, if they saw more of her – and look natural and normal? Just to do a bit of “stuff” together, despite her dislike of the public forum. Possibly – no guarantees – it would help with the “woman problem”.

Grattan tweets on Friday:

COULD there be a teeny weeny bit of overkill with the Tony loves, respects, obeys women blitz? And now she’ll have to cook the roast.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 11:06 pm
I don’t think it is correct to say Turnbull has no constituency in the Libs. Opinion polls Neilsen and Morgan still show Turnbull as preferred, even among coalition voters.

As with climate change, SteveC, you are talking to the impervious to evidence when it comes to Turnbull. In fact – it is precisely because of climate change that they are unable to conceive of Turnbull as leader again.

steve from brisbane

8 Oct 12 at 11:09 pm
Hahaha… too funny, Gab. They really are shameless, and they think nobody will call them out.

Fleeced

8 Oct 12 at 11:10 pm
Get a room, steves.

Fleeced

8 Oct 12 at 11:11 pm
A devastating video summary of the biggest scandal in US politics since the 1980s.

Romney will carve lying rodent Obama to shreds for this enormity.

C.L.

8 Oct 12 at 11:12 pm
All the post-debate polling is now in the system.

The Rasmussen 11 swing state isn’t a 3 day average but a 7 day rolling average so it’s only half way thru.

Obumma is ahead by 2 on average across the 11 states

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 11:13 pm
One thing that I think is always forgotten when talking about politicians is that they want to win and showing a more diverse party theoretically can attract a larger number of voters. So I think it is not inconcievable that other members of the coalition are happy for Turnbull to talk as he does even if they might dissagree on some issues.

kelly liddle

8 Oct 12 at 11:14 pm
In fact – it is precisely because of climate change that they are unable to conceive of Turnbull as leader again

Yeah that and he has poor judgment and is not terribly well liked within his own party.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 11:15 pm
That should destroy him, CL… truly outrageous.

Fleeced

8 Oct 12 at 11:17 pm
Let’s watch and see how the lovemedia try and spin it to protect Obama, CL.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 11:18 pm
Hopeless and hideous hag Nicola Roxon must be fired from the ministry and a cannon:

ATTORNEY-GENERAL Nicola Roxon personally intervened in the sexual harassment case against Peter Slipper by briefing lawyers defending the Speaker, whose misogynist and degrading attitudes to women have been exposed in a new trove of sexually explicit texts.

In a text exchange between Mr Slipper and former staffer James Ashby, Liberal MP Sophie Mirabella is referred to as an “ignorant botch (sic)” when she was thrown out of the House of Representatives on the day of the carbon tax vote in October last year.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/nicola-roxons-hand-in-peter-slipper-case/story-fn59niix-1226491011060

Infidel Tiger

8 Oct 12 at 11:20 pm
Romney will carve lying rodent Obama to shreds for this enormity.

Obumma should indicted for his deceit on this and Fast and Furious.

The fucker the next morning got on a plane with his embassies under attack through 6 countries and went to a fund-raiser in Las Vegas where “obviously” he mourned the loss of life and then equated his campaign workers efforts in Nevada there with the sacrifices of the public servants assassinated under his watch in Benghazi.

Obumma is a stinkin reprehensible jerkoff.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 11:24 pm
JamesK, I was quoting this, not the 7-day rolling average:

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 49% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 47%. Two percent (2%) prefer some other candidate, and two percent (2%) are undecided.

Rasmussen had previously said that the staggered polling would be all post-debate polling by Sunday’s report.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 11:24 pm
Yeah, the national poll is a 3 day rolling average.

So the debate effect is seen fully on Sunday.

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 11:26 pm
HAHAHA

Tony Robertson, the Australian communications director for Change.org, stands by the integrity of the organisation’s petitions.

“Claims that large numbers of fake names are being added to the Change.org petition on Alan Jones are simply wrong,” he says.

“Change.org uses some of the most sophisticated anti-spamming technology and techniques available anywhere in the world and we are confident of the integrity of our data.”

Robertson admits that false names can appear on his website, but insists that they are removed as a result of constant cleansing.

A counter-petition launched on Change.org late on Saturday by a dry and drolly cantankerous conservative blogger by the name of Professor Bunyip suggests the system may have holes.

Yesterday it still contained contributions from Rin Tin Tin, Anna and King of Siam, Fat Albert, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Craig Thomson and at least three David Marrs long after they initially appeared.

Dry and cantankerous indeed! They don’t know The Bunyip.

Nobody outs Bunyip in the corner!

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 11:29 pm
Tom, you need to look at the swing state poll. The national average is fairly meaningless. In the same way it’s really only the marginal seats that matter in Oz. Romney is still behind in the swing state poll, even with Rasmussen. If you look at other polls he is further behind.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 11:30 pm
puts! not ‘outs’.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 11:30 pm
Dumbarse steve C needs a source to tell him how to logically construct sentences.

What a fuckwit.

.

8 Oct 12 at 11:32 pm
Dumbarse dot needs a dictionary to tell him what words mean. Infer is sometimes confused with imply, or in dots case, not sometimes, but always

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 11:34 pm
Robertson admits that false names can appear on his website, but insists that they are removed as a result of constant cleansing.

And how are they doing that, checking the electoral roll against the names and addresses?

kelly liddle

8 Oct 12 at 11:35 pm
Well there was quite a few dodgy signatures posted by users of this blog, maybe they could check and report back if their posts were deleted.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 11:38 pm
A dictionary does not tell you the difference between infer and imply.

Poorly written, cheap, tacky, advertisement revenue based websites tell you what you wrongly think the difference is, fuckhead.

The receiver never implies but the sender can infer but usually implies.

This level of thinking is beyond you.

.

8 Oct 12 at 11:39 pm
Well there was quite a few dodgy signatures posted by users of this blog, maybe they could check and report back if their posts were deleted.

King Kevin’s was still there earlier today so I added three more but I can’t be arsed checking again.

It’s actually difficult scrolling thru although entertaining

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 11:42 pm
Steve and Dot
Thanks for the English lesson but you do realise I will forget it in about 5 minutes so please accept my low standard of English.

kelly liddle

8 Oct 12 at 11:46 pm
Claim: Obama campaign illegally solicited foreign donors via social media website

“The GAI Report has shown that the Obama Campaign actively solicits campaign contributions from non-U.S. residents throughout the world,” Sukhia wrote. “[S]uch solicitations could be explainable if they were received solely by U.S. citizens abroad. They clearly are not.”

In addition to soliciting foreigners for donations, the Obama campaign has chosen not to employ industry-standard safeguards against collecting unlawful foreign donations via its social media and online process, the GAI report says.

I tried contributing to Santorum during the Primary but his website didn’t allow me

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 11:47 pm
My biggest worry, Dogshit’s Best Friend, is that I haven’t put enough on Romney.

Tom

8 Oct 12 at 11:48 pm
U.S. Soldiers Urged Not to Shoot Taliban at Night so Locals Can Sleep

Reports indicate U.S. soldiers and British Royal Marines have been urged to show “courageous constraint” by not shooting Taliban members spotted planting IEDs.

The reason? Shooting them might disturb the locals.

This news comes out on the heels of an investigation into the death of Royal Marine Sergeant Peter Rayner, whom witnesses say watched the Taliban plant IEDs at night but was ordered not to engage them. Families of other soldiers and Royal Marines are telling stories of how their loved ones were not allowed to use mortars or night illumination when they came across Taliban members in an area full of IEDs.

The reason given was that “the sound of shooting ‘might wake up and upset the locals.’”

This is not “courageous restraint” — this is appeasement.

Why are they even there?

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 11:48 pm
OK dotty, I know you like to make stuff up when it suits you. You carry on relying on your dotionary. Meanwhile I’ll stick to a dictionary.

SteveC

8 Oct 12 at 11:50 pm
Dot, please, stop replying to the moron.

Gab

8 Oct 12 at 11:51 pm
James,
He did that in 2008 as well. No one cared and he promised that he would account for all the money and donors. Why would you take the verification system off? Because Obama is just another corrupt Chicago politician.

John Comnenus

8 Oct 12 at 11:56 pm
Jake Tapper: Security Team Commander Says Ambassador Stevens Wanted His Team to Stay in Libya Past August

U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens wanted a Security Support Team, made up of 16 special operations soldiers, to stay with him in Libya after their deployment was scheduled to end in August, the commander of that security team told ABC News.

The embassy staff’s “first choice was for us to stay,” Lt. Col. Andrew Wood, 55, told ABC News in an interview. “That would have been the choice of the embassy people in Tripoli.”

JamesK

8 Oct 12 at 11:58 pm
The Rape of America’s Ambassador to Libya

“According to the Arabic website, Tayyar:

the American ambassador in Libya [Christopher Stevens] was sexually raped before being killed by the gunmen who stormed the embassy building in Benghazi last night [Tuesday, September 11], in protestation of a film insulting to the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings upon him.

Then there is this picture, rarely shown on the MSM. Perhaps he is being rescued from the jihadis, but why, exactly, are his pants down?

Sexual abuse and degradation is a common tactic used against non-Muslims, especially women, as the repeatedly raped Lara Logan found. A report in Arabic media that just appeared discusses how Christian women—identified by wearing crosses around their necks or simply not wearing a hijab—are subject to sexual harassment, verbal abuse, and even threats of rape on the streets of Egypt. This has only “become much more blatant and terrifying [after the embassy attacks]—and has even reached the point of threats of genocide and purging the land of Egypt of infidel Christians,” writes one female Christian in Egypt.

Nor are men immune from such rapes. In fact, the photos of Ambassador Stevens—stripped clothes, bloodied and tortured right before he was killed—very much resemble the photos of Gaddafi right before he was killed. One U.S.-supported “freedom-fighter,” for example, can be seen sodomizing Gadaffi with a rod as others dragged him along.

The al-Qaeda affiliated men who sexually abused and killed Gaddafi are the same sort of men who sexually abused and killed America’s ambassador. We were told that the late Libyan dictator was killed because he was an evil oppressor of his people. Why was the American ambassador killed, who had hailed the revolution and was there helping to “build a better Libya“?

These are the questions the media and the Obama administration need to be answering—not obsessing over a second-rate YouTube video and questioning hard won American freedoms enshrined in the First Amendment. They should be explaining why it is that, after four years of appeasing the Islamic world in ways unprecedented, including by helping oust America’s longstanding allies like Egypt’s Mubarak to empower Islamists, all we have to show for it are dead and violated Americans, stormed embassies, burned U.S. flags, and greater anti-American sentiment than ever before.”

Gab

9 Oct 12 at 12:05 am
‘Brave’ and ‘edgy’ mocker of religion – Madonna – backs down:

Material Girl Wimps Out – Nixes Muslim Bridal Dress for New Video… Too Dangerous.

Madonna has decided against wearing a Muslim bridal dress, a combination of a traditional Iraqi bridal veil and a US soldier’s uniform, in her new music video after being convinced by her advisers to give the outfit a miss for her own safety.

C.L.

9 Oct 12 at 12:53 am
Fresh disaster for Obama’s flagging campaign:

Princeton Economist: Obama Misrepresenting My Study on Romney’s Tax Plan.

All this little man does is lie. He is an evil person.

C.L.

9 Oct 12 at 12:59 am
1,001

New Fred?

Fleeced

9 Oct 12 at 2:39 am
“A dictionary does not tell you the difference between infer and imply.”

You can’t be serious.

From the Oxford:

verb (infers, inferring, inferred)
[with object]: deduce or conclude (something) from evidence and reasoning rather than from explicit statements
[with clause]: from these facts we can infer that crime has been increasing

verb (implies, implying, implied)
[with object]: indicate the truth or existence of (something) by suggestion rather than explicit reference: salesmen who use jargon to imply superior knowledge
[with clause]: the report implies that two million jobs might be lost
(of a fact or occurrence) suggest (something) as a logical consequence: the forecasted traffic increase implied more roads and more air pollution

It’s probably easier if you just stop using either word.

Jarrah

9 Oct 12 at 6:16 am
In Fairfax’s fascist alternate universe, no mention that McTernan’s hate campaign has backfired (today’s Newspoll). No, it’s Abbott’s fault and, with any luck Alan Jones will be taken off the air for the good of the country:

In the context of a minority government, which has been kept afloat by the votes of independent MPs, Tony Abbott has been relentless in his attacks on the government. Nothing it does is worthy of his approval and the Prime Minister is repeatedly labelled a liar. Jones has simply used his megaphone at 2GB to amplify Abbott’s attacks.
If the campaign to rein in the excesses of Jones is successful, it should act as a warning to other shock jocks whose commercial imperative to date has been to push the limits of political debate on the assumption that the loudest voice and brashest opinion gets the biggest audience.
What an angry drunk might yell out in a pub has become the standard fare of some radio stations.
Instead of challenging ideas or canvassing issues, shock jocks have taken the easy road of reinforcing the prejudices of their listeners and directing their resentments and hate at political targets. And they are paid millions to do so. Australian democracy is the loser.
Whether the campaign against Jones also causes politicians to rein in their own language remains to be seen. There is already a groundswell building on social media sites that is critical of the ceaseless personal attacks on Gillard. Those attacks raise particular ire when they are clearly based on sexism.

Fairfax leads today with “PM cops Facebook abuse” (Age) and “Jones no victim: Turnbull” (SMH). No links – fuck ‘em.

Tom

9 Oct 12 at 6:16 am
Turnbull may well have no constituency in the Liberal Party, but he is an invaluable propaganda weapon for Labor and its media lapdogs:

ALAN JONES has been ”given a dose of his own medicine” with the online campaign that has stripped his station of sponsors, and is not the victim of ”cyberbullying” as he has claimed, the Coalition communication spokesman, Malcolm Turnbull, has said.

Tom

9 Oct 12 at 6:22 am
Tom, I don’t want to go to that Fairfax editorial, could you tell me if it discloses that 2UE, the rival radio station that has been perennially flogged by Jones in the ratings?

Entropy

9 Oct 12 at 6:35 am
Sorry, is owned by Fairfax?

Entropy

9 Oct 12 at 6:36 am
Turn bull is the Fraser of our time. He even shares the same first name.

Entropy

9 Oct 12 at 6:37 am
Caught the tail end of Can of Worms last night.

What would you do for a million dollars?

Run naked through times square?

Eat a plate of 200 cockroaches?

Root Alan Jones?

This was on Can of Worms.

Not. Funny.

Give it a bloody rest.

And that ugly looking monkey boy radio/tv idiot reckoned he’d do Allan Jones for a mil.

I reckon Mr Jones has much better taste.

kae

9 Oct 12 at 7:57 am
Tom, 6:22 am today
I heard a snippet of that too.
I think they’re trying to imply that there will be a challenge for leadership by Turnbull because he’s so popular (only with ALP supporters

kae

9 Oct 12 at 8:00 am
).

Meh!

kae

9 Oct 12 at 8:01 am
The devious bipad Sinc the Doomlord opened a Tue thread Kae which runs much faster.

Token

9 Oct 12 at 8:04 am

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