http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/rise-of-the-keyboard-activists/story-e6frg6z6-1226490970319
AS the Alan Jones furore spills into a second week, some of the mightiest names in corporate Australia have quailed and withdrawn their advertising from 2GB in the face of outrage from Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Bobby Limb and Dawn Lake, the Magic Pudding, Burke and Wills, Phar Lap and Skippy the Bush Kangaroo.
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Tony Robertson, the Australian communications director for Change.org, stands by the integrity of the organisation’s petitions.
“Claims that large numbers of fake names are being added to the Change.org petition on Alan Jones are simply wrong,” he says.
“Change.org uses some of the most sophisticated anti-spamming technology and techniques available anywhere in the world and we are confident of the integrity of our data.”
Robertson admits that false names can appear on his website, but insists that they are removed as a result of constant cleansing.
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A counter-petition launched on Change.org late on Saturday by a dry and drolly cantankerous conservative blogger by the name of Professor Bunyip suggests the system may have holes. Yesterday it still contained contributions from Rin Tin Tin, Anna and King of Siam, Fat Albert, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Craig Thomson and at least three David Marrs long after they initially appeared.
And just for fun, I lost count of how many times I signed the Alan Jones petition. I even signed as myself once, and I see Nic Lochner has signed it a few times as well.
Okay, once was me.
No, there are no false names there at all, although there is a signature from “Wikipedia Censorship-Article”.
Fully 66% of registered voters say Romney did the better job in last Wednesday’s debate, compared with just 20% who say Obama did better. A majority (64%) of voters who watched the debate describe it as mostly informative; just 26% say it was mostly confusing.
In turn, Romney has drawn even with Obama in the presidential race among registered voters (46% to 46%) after trailing by nine points (42% to 51%) in September. Among likely voters, Romney holds a slight 49% to 45% edge over Obama. He trailed by eight points among likely voters last month.
and nilk I didn’t sign the Nic Lochner petition but had fun following it one night, I recall there were a number of Kevin Rudds (one from China) and Gillard exchanging salacious messages, since then someone reported that Jesus Christ, Barack Obama, John McEnroe have signed.
Republican nominee Mitt Romney gave a highly pumped-up foreign policy speech Monday that hammered President Barack Obama’s foreign policy direction, including his handling of the recent attacks in Libya that left a U.S. ambassador dead.
The attacks on America last month should not be seen as random acts. They are expressions of a larger struggle that is playing out across the broader Middle East—a region that is now in the midst of the most profound upheaval in a century. And the fault lines of this struggle can be seen clearly in Benghazi itself.
The attack on our Consulate in Benghazi on September 11th, 2012 was likely the work of forces affiliated with those that attacked our homeland on September 11th, 2001. This latest assault cannot be blamed on a reprehensible video insulting Islam, despite the Administration’s attempts to convince us of that for so long. No, as the Administration has finally conceded, these attacks were the deliberate work of terrorists who use violence to impose their dark ideology on others, especially women and girls; who are fighting to control much of the Middle East today; and who seek to wage perpetual war on the West.
We saw all of this in Benghazi last month—but we also saw something else, something hopeful. After the attack on our Consulate, tens of thousands of Libyans, most of them young people, held a massive protest in Benghazi against the very extremists who murdered our people. They waved signs that read, “The Ambassador was Libya’s friend” and “Libya is sorry.” They chanted “No to militias.” They marched, unarmed, to the terrorist compound. Then they burned it to the ground. As one Libyan woman said, “We are not going to go from darkness to darkness.”
Not long after, presumed Obama supporters began insulting Dash for her opinion, saying she isn’t “black” enough, several even asking if the actress would just “kill herself.”
One man wrote: “This hurts but you a Romney lover and you slutting yourself to the white man only proves why no black man married u
Not long after, presumed Obama supporters began insulting Dash for her opinion, saying she isn’t “black” enough, several even asking if the actress would just “kill herself.”
You can take the Democrat out of the old south (as the values in the south no longer reflect those values), but you can’t take the old south racism out of the Democrat party.
It is clear Michelle Grattan’s time in politics is over.
MICHELLE Grattan, The Age, September 17:
WHY doesn’t (Opposition Leader Tony Abbott) go out, just once in a while, without a staffer, perhaps taking his wife Margie – whom the public would really like, if they saw more of her – and look natural and normal? Just to do a bit of “stuff” together, despite her dislike of the public forum. Possibly – no guarantees – it would help with the “woman problem”.
Grattan tweets on Friday:
COULD there be a teeny weeny bit of overkill with the Tony loves, respects, obeys women blitz? And now she’ll have to cook the roast.
Only discreditted organisations like the soon to be dead FauxFacts and the unrepresentative ABC would give this shrill and bitter old Abbott hater any space to speak.
Apparently I use infer and imply incorrectly (see below), but an inanimate object “tells” *you* what words mean?
That’s impossible.
Steve also thinks reasoning is inferior to folk contributions revised by professors who made up “rules” that never existed and varied by region, custom is better than reasoning. Nor have either of you said why it is impossible for the sender of the communication to infer something.
I’ve reasoned why I am correct under the Oxford dictionary which is the standard you have set Jarrah. You have not attacked the reasoning.
It’s the oldest trick in the book: when your polls are in the dumps, try to drum up nationalist fervor over a foreign conflict and watch the voters forget what a terrible job you’re doing domestically. With growth forecasts down to as low as 1.5% for this year after holding at almost 8% in 2011, and with inflation soaring, Kristina Kirchner is trotting out the tried and true Argentinian hobby horse: the Malvinas/Falklands…..
Some day, we hope, the Argentine people will truly wake up. They’ll realize that when a national leaders says, “The Malvinas are ours,” what they mean is, “The economy is going down the toilet, but you are such pathetic idiots that I can distract you with silly slogans.” When they say “Argentina does not take orders from foreign investors or the IMF,” what they mean is, “My cronies and I have now squandered and stolen so much money that the country can no longer pay its bills, but you ignorant fools won’t notice if I sing the national anthem and wave the flag.”
As an optimist I was hoping for the Jones and Abbott campaigns to backfire, like the effort in Qld. Too soon to say but it looks like it from the poll overnight. More revelations from BoltA.
Chris Smith on 2GB gave Jenna Price an interview yesterday, ordinary folk phoned in to remind people about the work that Jones does for charities.
On Q&A last night there was a tweet saying that with the demise of the ALP, Turnbull should start a new lefty party. Something both ALP and Coalition supporters can agree on?
Prof Bunyip has the news about a new petition – sack Mike Carlton
In this instance Julia Gillard, Santa Claus and Peter FitzSimon have validated his existence by throwing their weight behind the campaign to make Butch Carlton fork out cold, hard cash to have his columns printed in the Silly. If Mrs Claus’ name and comment appears, expect to see a warning that her husband is one married man our Prime Minister should leave very much alone
Competition for trade union power can be robust. Julia Gillard knows firsthand just how robust. She assisted in the establishment of a re-election slush fund for her client at the Australian Workers Union. The re-election slush fund is a very special beast in the trade union movement. There are two types of re-election slush fund: the known one for the incumbent and a secret one for challengers.
Indeed, the incumbent does not necessarily use a slush fund because they have the resources of the members.
The secret fund is used by the challenging organisers to, as an experienced campaigner tells it, “f . . k over” the secretary. They raise money from the challenging organisers, and sometimes from employers, to do the job.
The reason the fund is kept secret is that at the time of official nominations the challenge is revealed and the union secretary kicks the challengers out of the office and seizes their vehicles and telephones. They may be without pay for the duration of a two-month campaign. Meanwhile, the incumbent organisers have all of the resources of the union available for their campaign. This conduct is unconscionable. Which politicians condone it?
In the past week or so the High Court knocked over the interpretation of the provision in the Fair Work Act that union officials were a protected species.
In the Bendigo TAFE case an employee, who was a union official, was suspended for misconduct over an internal fight with other union officials. Fortunately, the High Court found that union officers are not immune from disciplinary action merely because of their status as union officers. The overturned interpretation, supported by officials, lower courts and politicians, allowed bad trade unionism to flourish. They should have known better.
Turnbull went out of his way to reinforforce the Labor talking points about 2GB and AJ, oblique criticising anyone who goes on AJ’s show (i.e. Abbot & today Julie Bishop).
He is not even trying hard to hide how he actively white ants the Coalition.
Clearly a new research branch of psychiatry is needed to keep track of the mental health of the new temporary ruling class, who can be observed going into involuntary spasms of fear, sweating and recitation aloud of incoherent gibberish at the mention of the names, Jones, Abbott, Murdoch, Rhinehart and Bolt:
The Alan Jones saga moves into its fin de siecle game state now. For those of you born after the collapse of western civilizational consensus think: Ultimate Boss Battle. On one side of the field we have Jones, the hulking Old Media brute clad in Gladiator armour, (stitched together from actual gladiators), snarling and spitting and swinging a giant club studded with sabre tooth tiger fangs. Attending him, the lower level bosses of the Boltbrechtson Hivemind, and the savage Horde of Talkbakistan.
In her opening remarks to the conference, Gillard said nothing was more important to the success of Australia’s digital economy than building the NBN. “The NBN is what the economists call a ‘public good’,” the Prime Minister said. “One of those projects like the Transcontinental Railway, the Sydney Harbour Bridge and the Snowy Scheme that creates a wealth of indirect benefits beyond those that can be calculated on a spreadsheet.”
Let me guess – Wayne Swan thinks it is anything above the “risk free” Government bond rate? He has said this before whilst being interviewed on radio.
So a firm could earn 6% profit – let’s say they reinvest half of their profits and pay the rest out as dividends.
What dividend do shareholders get?
Would industry super funds be taxed in the same way?
The only level of tax we need is enough to pay for a cost benefits assessed spending requirement which is balanced as a budget over the economic cycle.
The best tax mix for this is royalties, a consumption tax and a land tax on unimproved capital values.
A few years ago you could say this and it was untrue: the ALP and unions want to ruin the economy.
It is true again. I can’t believe the stupidity and envy of these pricks.
She also doesn’t know what an externality is. If they couldn’t be calculated, Pigou and Coase wouldn’t have their theories and there would be less emphasis on triple bottom line accounting etc.
“Nor have either of you said why it is impossible for the sender of the communication to infer something.”
If they infer, they’re not the sender. They can be a receiver (infer) and then be a sender (imply), but that’s acting as two different ends of a communication.
Take my advice – if you can’t figure it out, don’t use the words.
Now that the prematurely aged Malcolm Turnbull is back in the public sphere (after going MIA on the NBN he secretly supports), let’s talk about his passionate support for Bill Henson. Because nothing says ‘respect for females’ like a bloke talent-scouting for pre-pubescent girls in a primary school.
As the cabinet handbook says, if matters have not been subject to this process, there is a “risk” of “unforseen and unintended consequences.” Further, “It weakens the ability of the cabinet to apply scrutiny from a whole-of-government perspective and ultimately undermines the cabinet system itself.”
No, this is not a revolt against “destructive public discourse” but an attempt to silence a critic of Labor. Not for the first time, Turnbull has put personal interests and resentments ahead of the interests of his party.
Keep in mind PvO & MT are very, very close. When PvO goes hard he is acting like Sununu does for Romney.
“If the sender removes all need to reason or to deduce to come to a conclusion from a but does not explicitly say x or y, they have inferred it.”
No no no. Both infer and imply relate to incomplete data or non-explicit statements. If there is no reason for deduction, there is no implication by the sender OR any inference by the receiver. Get it?
There’s an argument abroad since the debate that Obama was so awful he revealed the truth about himself — a truth papered over by the extraordinary circumstances in 2008 that helped him win the presidency. He is not nearly as eloquent, masterly, and smart as he and his sycophants think he is, and now everybody is onto him. So the argument goes.
That may be true in part, but only because nobody could have been as eloquent, masterly and smart as Obama and his toadies have believed in their most ludicrous moments.
The implicit premise of his 2008 victory was that if you voted for Barack Obama you were not just making a choice between two candidates but making history, changing history, affirming something high and grand and noble. A vote for him elevated you.
As a strategy, it was brilliant. It turned a mere vote into a transcendent social and cultural statement. But no human being could live up to such preposterous expectations, and no human being should ever believe anything so absurd about himself. Obama did and does.
One has to wonder at the intellectual capabilities of our so-called civil libertarians; perhaps civil libertines might be a more appropriate title.
The latest utterings from this perverse group of social engineers states that CCTV seldom discourages crime, but concede that the system can assist in apprehension of the criminals.
Well, duh, it is self-evident that many social miscreants give little thought to the consequences of their crimes, as they are often committed in the heat of the moment;- the opportunity to attack a defenceless female; the site of an unlocked door. These apologies for humans are usually not capable of much rational thought; they react to basic instincts that are completely foreign to most of us.
But, heaven bless us, they are subject to reflection regret, and guilt after the event, if for no other reason, their own self-preservation.
This line of thought seems difficult for civil libertarians to grasp; they utter broad generalisation about CCTV intruding into the public’s private lives. They never give substantive examples because if they did, they would be ridiculed as they should.
So, please you do- good apologists for criminal behaviour, enlighten us all.
Q Speaking of foreign policy, can you react to the election results in Venezuela?
MR. CARNEY: The Venezuelan National Elections Commission has declared that President Hugo Chavez won reelection, I believe roughly 54 to 45 percent, with 90 percent reporting. We congratulate the Venezuelan people on the high level of participation, as well as on what was a relatively peaceful election process. I would note the challenger has conceded the race.
This grant was brought to you by the letters “A” and “R” — as in American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, aka the “stimulus bill.”
Sesame Workshop, the independent nonprofit corporation that produces the popular childrens’ program Sesame Street, received a $1,067,532 stimulus bill grant in August 2010, via the Department of Health and Human Services.
The funding was to promote healthy eating according to the federal Recovery website
The projected created “1.47″ new jobs, the website reported. How they could calculate this to a hundredth of a percent is anybody’s guess. In any event, that comes out to about $726,000 per job created.
The money is separate from the funds Sesame Workshop receives from the federally-funded Corporation for Public Broadcasting to run the Sesame Street program on PBS stations.
Jenna Price claims to be just an ”ordinary” person who is ”sick of the way that Alan Jones speaks to us and tries to whip up hate”. Or so she told ABC Radio AM yesterday. Ms Price is the founder of a Facebook page which has campaigned – so far successfully – for companies to withdraw their advertising from Alan Jones’s breakfast show on Macquarie Radio 2GB.
In a few years there will be thousands of unemployed journalists and tens of thousands of journalism graduates who will never see a keyboard. If they worked in the motor vehicle industry, perhaps the government would care rather than add to their woes.
If, at a seafood buffet, Slipper enjoys mussels (even allowing that he might also find the banana prawns somewhat alluring), I don’t really see that his poor taste text is actually misogynistic.
There are plenty of women who find banana prawns more functional than positively attractive. Admittedly, probably not too many women text each other on the topic, but still…
Speaking of fiction, an inconvenient videotape resurfaced the day before the debate. It was from 2007 in Virginia: Senator Barack Obama, presidential stars in his eyes, speaking to a largely black audience of religious leaders and inciting racial animus.
To be generous, Obama’s performance is disgusting. Cynically adopting the black dialect of the American South, a dialect utterly alien to him, he demagogues against Washington’s supposedly selective waivers of the Stafford Act — legislation that requires communities hit by disasters to match 10 percent of federal aid. They waived it for 9/11, he tells the crowd, and they waived it when Hurricane Andrew hit Florida: Those communities were allowed to keep their one dollar for every ten federal dollars. But when he comes to Hurricane Katrina, which devastated the largely African-American population of New Orleans, Obama implies that Congress refused the waiver: “What’s happenin’ down in New O’leans? Where’s yo’ dollar? Where’s yo’ Stafford Act money? . . . Tells me that somehow the people down in New O’leans they don’t care about as much.”
In fact, ten days before Obama gave that speech, Congress had waived the Stafford Act requirement for Katrina. He was well aware of that fact, too. After all, he was one of only 14 senators to vote against the waiver. It was part of a bill to fund the war effort in Iraq. That is, to pander to his Bush-deranged, anti-war base, Obama decided that squeezing New O’leans was a price worth paying. Then, he lied about what happened in order to foment racial resentment — an atmosphere that he calculated would help his presidential bid.
Just as he’s doing today.
It doesn’t matter to me, though. I was already voting against Obama. Now, though, I’m voting for Romney.
COULD there be a teeny weeny bit of overkill with the Tony loves, respects, obeys women blitz? And now she’ll have to cook the roast.
Grattan lectures the world today:
By giving ordinary people a voice, social media is empowering voters and consumers. This is obviously a good thing, whether it is to enables them to have more political say or get better service from companies.
…Much of the misogynist denigration of Julia Gillard has been coming though social media. Who would expect a session on education would lead to the grossest personal remarks that would never find their way into a newspaper? In this case, surely that should have been properly moderated by the PM’s office.
The usually razor sharp Christopher Pyne and the stuttering old bone head Piers Ackerman were hopelessly remiss on Q&A when Tony Jones started raving on about the Bondi “race riot.”
Couldn’t one of them have made the obvious interjection?
If, at a seafood buffet, Slipper enjoys mussels (even allowing that he might also find the banana prawns somewhat alluring), I don’t really see that his poor taste text is actually misogynistic.
The woman-hating queen Peter Slipper’s text were repulsive and offensive to women, but Dogshit says they were necessary to uphold Labor’s repulsive, offensive double standards.
You really are a gutter crawler, Dogshit. You disgust me.
Wrinkly old slut, Madonna – ‘brave and ‘edgy’ mocker of religion – folds:
Madonna has decided against wearing a Muslim bridal dress, a combination of a traditional Iraqi bridal veil and a US soldier’s uniform, in her new music video after being convinced by her advisers to give the outfit a miss for her own safety…
The 54-year-old singer was planning to don a ‘Terror Bride’ outfit – a combination of a traditional Iraqi bridal veil and a US soldier’s uniform – in the video for upcoming single ‘Superstar’ as a statement against oppression against women and war, but her advisers convinced her to ditch the political stunt because of the outrage it would be likely to cause.
Token says
“Turnbull went out of his way to reinforforce the Labor talking points about 2GB and AJ, oblique criticising anyone who goes on AJ’s show (i.e. Abbot & today Julie Bishop).
He is not even trying hard to hide how he actively white ants the Coalition.”
I dont think Turnbull white ants anything except a bunch of extreme nutters on the right of conservative politics.
Turnbull calls Jones claim of cyber bullying for what it is. A blatantly pathetic attempt for the bullying by Jones on the airwaves for so long to be transferred as a railing against the freedom of new media to carry the power of many voices, instead of only him.
Jones has been a distasteful, disrespectful inciter of hatred and lead mouuthpiece in a destructive and vicious public discourse for too long.
Jones has been regulated, at last, not by any government authority, but by the freedom of thousands of people who have simmered in silence at his rantings and hate campaigns over decades.
Good on Malcolm Turnbull. Its good to see some in the conservative party dont make a living out of the unchecked use of insults, nastiness and vitriol
Unlike some in here known as Dot.
By the way Dot – Im keeping a tally of your rude and nasty comments to others. Ill surprise you with it one day, Mr rude and stupid.
Turnbull went out of his way to reinforforce the Labor talking points about 2GB and AJ, oblique criticising anyone who goes on AJ’s show (i.e. Abbot & today Julie Bishop).
He is not even trying hard to hide how he actively white ants the Coalition.
There’s not much need to emphasize Turnbull’s contemporary unpopularity – it’s all over the air waves and the papers. It takes only a few metrics to quantify it. He leads a Coalition that Possum’s Pollytrack currently shows has an average TPP vote of only 40. Pollytrack shows 60/40 in Labor’s favour across several polls, and Pollytrend showing a steady trend away from the Coalition. The latest Newspoll PPM ratings show 67/18…
“Turnbull’s satisfaction dynamics have an eerie longer term linear quality to them; you can almost run a straight line through them starting from his November 2008 satisfaction figures and ending on today’s. Since November, Turnbull is losing around 100,000 people a week in terms of the number of folks that are satisfied with his performance across the Australian electorate. With his dissatisfaction levels it’s even worse, with around 115,000 people a week becoming dissatisfied. The difference between those rates, that 15 thousand people or so, represents the rate at which the Undecideds are breaking against him. Turnbull’s problem isn’t any given Newspoll; it’s his longer term performance that’s grinding him into the dirt…”
AND:
Why is Turnbull so unpopular in the polls, particularly among female voters? In any dynamic system there are always multiple causes, but forced to name just one, it would be ‘Negativity’. Add to that ‘Arrogance’, then ‘Disingenuousness’ to complete Turnbull’s Terrible Trifecta: Negativity-Arrogance-Disingenuousness.
Just change the radio dial if you don’t want to hear Jones!
What’s wrong with these people!!!!!
They don’t listen to him. They don’t know anything about him. They know he’s pure evil not by what they’ve heard him say but what other people say about the things he’s said – the problem is the other people don’t listen to him either, they’re just repeating what they’ve heard, etc, etc.
And on that basis they know in their bones that they must crusade and rant and rave that he must be silenced – it’s for the good of democracy.
Dangerous thinking that has been formenting in the pop-left since bush, starting in the US with their rage against Coulter and Limbaugh’s “hate speech” and now infecting the broad pop-left here (and as we all know – the Australian left haven’t had an original idea since about 1890 so that’s only normal).
With the Shell-less Mussel Man about to go down for the last time the search for a replacement Speaker must be under way.Someone who failed to make it as Australia’s first President and couldn’t even hang on as Leader of the Opposition might find the position attractive.A chance to stick it up Tony Abbott and become the hero of the “Progressives”. Come on down Malcolm.
With all the outrage about AJ, everyone was asking about Carr’s employing Bob Ellis.
[H/t to PvO for doing what no-one else in the country has done and raise it with the man who brings such a Fresh-air withh his approach to politics]
Just a private blog … Sky News’s Australian Agenda again, Sunday:
PETER van Onselen: One of the things they raise is that Bob Ellis, on his blog, so publicly, not at a private function, made disparaging remarks about the Prime Minister … He’s written speeches … for various Labor people including yourself, do you repudiate him, you and your colleagues, as strongly as you and your colleagues repudiate Alan Jones?
Bob Carr: Yeah, I deprecate that attack but it wasn’t in the Jones category …
Van Onselen: Bob Ellis also wrote that she had “girly tears”, that’s in the same category.
Carr: Bob Ellis has got a private blog and again, that second remark is not in the same category …
Van Onselen: I’m surprised you don’t see them as the same thing, though to be honest I think they are equally as deplorable.
I want to copy a post i made to the SMH (in vain, most likely as their readership are mostly beyond reason, but i digress), for discussion here.
As an addition to the below post, i want to say that i do not believe in imposing conditions on rights, as they then cease to be rights, but mere privileges, which can be taken away. In the context of free speech, the only valid argument is to what extent free speech applies i.e. at what point does the spoken word go beyond opinion to calls to deny other peoples’ rights?
Please note that due to word constraints, i was unable to qualify my last paragraph below. Please discuss!
“There is a simple solution to all this, which never gets a mention. The same principle should apply to freedom of speech that applies to freedom in general – you can do whatever you want up to the point at which it impedes other peoples’ rights. This is the reason for the left’s push to elevate not being offended to being a right. It’s total bunkum, and has never existed in human history (excepting anti-blasphemy laws under a different guise). It is being elevated as a tool to crush dissent, as offence is so subjective as to effectively apply to anything you want. To those in power, this is the ultimate weapon, as it effectively enables censorship of anything it wants, especially criticism of itself.
This should be the test as to what can be legally said and not said, in terms of being mere opinion versus calls to action, the latter potentially impeding on others’ rights. That test would fail the “chaff bag” comments, but not the morally repugnant “died of shame” comment. It would fail the “beheading” sign at the riot. It would not fail the boycotts of Alan Jones, but would fail the intimidation of third parties to boycott Jones against their will. It would also possibly not fail Bolt’s comments as inaccuracy in itself in insufficient to impede others’ rights. The true question in the Bolt case should have been whether harm was done to the accused beyond mere offence. If such harm was defamatory, then those laws should have applied. If the harm was racial, then those laws should apply.
The only case for more legislation is to expand the anti-vilification laws beyond the restrictions of race to protect individuals from potential harm.”
On this last point, calling for harm to third parties does not come under freedom of speech, rather than applying a condition to it. I do not necessarily support changes to these laws, as it would likely be hijacked by the left to become another weapon in their arsenal.
Social Media presents quite the conundrum for Labor.
On the one hand “conservative” types are outnumbered at least 50 / 1 on Twitter and FB by raging “ironic” black humoured leftists so they can’t shut it down without shutting down their base. On the other hand it gives the average joe schmoe Liberal voter the chance to take it to ALP types and their praetorian guard for the first time in decades.
Mind you it’s only about 1% of what the left have dished out – we won’t for instance riot through parliament or force the taxpayer to fund our CD’s and books to insult them but it’s a start.
The Telegraph is reporting that Daryl Melham has resigned as Chairman of Caucus.The poor little petal is “sick of the arrogance of the Cabinet and the way many Ministers treated Backbenchers”.
Good find, CL. No one should ever forget that when leftist journalists and cretinous parasites like “independent” Tony Wanksaur call for Turnbull to take the leadership it’s only because they want the Coalition to lose the election. There is literally no other reason. Don’t trust the fuckers.
Sports giant Puma will next year unveil a coalition of companies that are prepared to develop ground-breaking work on creating an environmental profit and loss account (EP&L).
The news comes as Puma chairman, Jochen Zeitz, announced that the company has for the first time taken its EP&L down to a product level, which will demonstrate to consumers what products are more sustainable by putting a price tag against the environmental damage they do.
The Telegraph is reporting that Daryl Melham has resigned as Chairman of Caucus.The poor little petal is “sick of the arrogance of the Cabinet and the way many Ministers treated Backbenchers”.
Gees, the knifing of Rudd really improved the way Cabinet functioned under Labor.
Sports giant Puma will next year unveil a coalition of companies that are prepared to develop ground-breaking work on creating an environmental profit and loss account (EP&L).
It’s just a service they’re offering customers who want eco information. It also differentiates their brand from Nike, which has been damaged as rapacious capitalists.
Don’t think this is a dawning of a new age of economics, or anything like that SteveC. Nothing going on here except the market at work.
Talking about externalities:
Puma scales up environmental profit and loss reporting to a product level
How many times have we seen these marketing campaigns before?
Give it 18 months and the CEO will be walked out of the building for pathetic earnings by an angry board (which of course SteveC / ABC / Guardian) will not report.
Puma does lovely PR exercise in promoting “vironmetal” P&L to deflect from the GAAP p&l. Can’t have those nasty profits, must off-set with ‘vironmental and the dummies will buy the PR exercise without a second thought. Excellent work, Puma.
sources close to Mr Melham, a member for Labor’s NSW left faction said he was sick of the “arrogance of the Cabinet” and the way many Ministers treated backbenchers.
Mr Melham was widely considered among the best chairs the caucus has had, and was instrumental in bringing stability to the caucus and solidifying support for Julia Gillard.
A source close to Mr Melham said: “He’s had a gut full of them and how dysfunctional the executive has become.
“He was sick of the way Cabinet Ministers treated the caucus.”
The resignation will re-enforce perceptions that Ms Gillard was losing confidence within the caucus.
One thing I find quite odd about the Slipper texts is that a large number were sent to Ashby in November, before Ashby starting working for Slipper. Why would anyone think it was a good idea to accept a job offer from someone who had been sending those kind of text messages?
“Could Turnbull turn out to be a worse Communications Minister than the current Minister? A big ask, but I’m sure Turnbull is up to it.”
This reminds me of playing cricket once, facing a demon speedster while my batting partner faced a trundler for many overs without changing ends. He saw no need to run singles, even though he couldn’t hit 4′s or singles, as he was as hopeless as the bowler. I still remember the frustration!
Puma does lovely PR exercise in promoting “vironmetal” P&L to deflect from the GAAP p&l.
Great way to fend of political campaigns focusing on the rights of workers in the 3rd world creating the shoes. Nike has done a few of these over the years.
For those that care, this is another version of the Triple Bottom Line fad which went out of style once the GFC forced businesses to focus on staying alive.
Supporters of Kevin Rudd last night said it was “game back on” after fearing that a trend back toward Ms Gillard and Labor under her leadership was destined to end any chance of a comeback for the former PM.
So Daryl Melham resigns after eight years – including three in which Rudd reduced not just caucus but also Cabinet to impotency. Good to see a man upholding Labor principles.
I’d hate to think it was just the usual difficulties rats have with sinking ships.
Meanwhile, the building industry’s stuffed, mining is cutting back and the Federal government is spending on the credit card like there’s no tomorrow. Hunker down, folks, we’re in for a bumpy ride.
The Coalition needs to adopt Clinton’s campaign mantra “It’s the economy, stupid!” They should be hammering the Government every single day on this. Pity their finance spokespeople are so weak. Someone like Arthur Sinodinos, who really understands economics and is many times smarter than dopey Joe Hockey, should be front and centre.
CL, do you have anything more recent on Turnbull, like Turnbull firms as preferred leader, sep 17, 2012? Your article was comparing Rudd and Turnbull, whereas the current comparison is Turnbull/Abbott vs Gillard
He is not even trying hard to hide how he actively white ants the Coalition.
I don’t agree. I think the media pick up everything he says and twist it to look like white anting.
Sure, he genuflected – as they all have been – to the offensiveness of that what Jones said, but then having dispensed with that formality he defended freedom of speech. And in terms of white-anting, the evidence is the other way. Keep in mind that he sucked it up and voted against same sex marriage, despite being personally in favour of the bill.
The only way to stop this spin would be to shut up and say nothing, but he probably figures, “why let them win.”
“However, the fund says its modelling shows the risk of recession is “alarmingly high”, with a 17 per cent chance that global growth will miss its forecasts and come in below 2 per cent, which would be consistent with a recession in advanced economies.
Another IMF staff model suggests a 15 per cent chance of recession in the US next year, a one-in-four chance that Japan will slip into recession, and an 80 per cent likelihood of a euro area recession.
The IMF has lowered its expectations for Chinese growth, forecasting a 7.8 per cent expansion this year and a modest pickup to 8.2 per cent as stimulus measures, such as interest rate cuts, take more effect. “
If they infer, they’re not the sender. They can be a receiver (infer) and then be a sender (imply), but that’s acting as two different ends of a communication.
For the most part, that’s right, but it is possible to explicitly state an inference, so a sender can infer.
The implicit premise of his 2008 victory was that if you voted for Barack Obama you were not just making a choice between two candidates but making history, changing history, affirming something high and grand and noble. A vote for him elevated you.
That’s the point of it all, James in that excellent article. Vote for the First black [sic] president and be part of history.
Same in Australia, vote for the first female PM and be a part of history.
sure I can read johanna, can you comprehend probability?
“However, the fund says its modelling shows the risk of recession is “alarmingly high”, with a 17 per cent chance that global growth will miss its forecasts and come in below 2 per cent, which would be consistent with a recession in advanced economies.
15 per cent chance of recession in the US next year, a one-in-four chance that Japan will slip into recession,
The IMF has lowered its expectations for Chinese growth, forecasting a 7.8 per cent expansion this year and a modest pickup to 8.2 per cent as stimulus measures, such as interest rate cuts, take more effect. “
I don’t agree. I think the media pick up everything he says and twist it to look like white anting.
Sure, he genuflected – as they all have been – to the offensiveness of that what Jones said, but then having dispensed with that formality he defended freedom of speech. And in terms of white-anting, the evidence is the other way. Keep in mind that he sucked it up and voted against same sex marriage, despite being personally in favour of the bill.
The only way to stop this spin would be to shut up and say nothing, but he probably figures, “why let them win.”
That’s a naive and generous interpretation.
You are partly correct of course.
Rhetorically he defended free speech
But Turnbull maintained a lie that he must have known to be a lie; namely that this was just a democratic response with technology “empowering” normal people.
Blah blah…Jones can dish it out and now he’s getting a righteous dose of his own medicine or somesuch.
It’s utter bollocks of course
Most likely what’s happened as Bolt and Bunyip have demonstrated is that it’s all ‘Get Up’ leftist activism with a few hundred mounting possibly 100,000 ‘signatures’.
And Turnbull fucking well knows that.
But Tuernbull didn’t question the proveneace of the online ‘petition’ nor did he suggest that might be a problem.
Quite the opposite in fact
This is really not that much different to the Greenslimes’ BDS thuggery and Turnbull was just being Turnbull.
Firstly disingenuous and secondly pay back against his own enemies and thirdly sirring the pot in (forlorn) hope of an opportunity yet to materialise
Attorney-General Nicola Roxon personally intervened in the Peter Slipper sexual harassment case by briefing lawyers defending the stood-aside Speaker. Ms Roxon had personal briefings with Julian Burnside QC while he represented the Commonwealth in the case being brought by Mr Ashby and expressed her dissatisfaction with the government’s $50,000 settlement reached with Mr Slipper’s accuser James Ashby a fortnight ago. New text messages have also emerged between Mr Slipper and Mr Ashby where the speaker gives a vulgar description of female genitalia and denigrates a female Coalition frontbencher.
but suddenly Bi-polar Ni-cola says she won’t interfere in cort case. When you look up the definition hypocrisy, there’s just a picture of the Labor frontbench.
why not? It was done on national TV, whereas Jones comments were made verbally at a private function.
And it went on and on and on, mockery upon insult upon mockery, as opposed to Jones’ snide one-liner.
Wayne Swan and Bill Shorten seem intent on chasing yet another dubious record, this time as the biggest super taxers of super savers in Australia’s history.
This comes hot on the heels of Swan’s record $173 billion in accumulated deficits over his first four budgets and Shorten’s efforts over the past two years to make us the world champions in costly financial services red tape through his complex Future of Financial Advice changes.
It is increasingly clear the two senior Labor ministers are now setting their sights, yet again, on those Australians doing the right thing by saving to achieve a self-funded retirement.
The consistent feedback I’ve been getting from right across the superannuation industry is that Swan is desperate to get his hands on more cash from Australians’ super savings and that Shorten is hard at work helping him to find it.
There is no doubt that the minister who is supposed to be the Minister for Superannuation is currently assessing every part of people’s superannuation journey, from contributions to retirement incomes, for opportunities to raise more revenue through increased taxes and charges on their super.
Labor already has a terrible track record when it comes to increased taxes targeting Australians’ saving to achieve a self-funded retirement.
Back in 2007 Kevin Rudd had promised that he would make no changes to superannuation laws – “not one jot, not one tiddle”.
Yet at the first available opportunity, Swan broke that promise in his first budget back in 2008. He has broken that promise now on nine occasions so far, generating $7.8 billion in additional government revenue.
Steve – Ive managed to piss off James K. High five to me too. Dot must be down the Dole office collecting his bennies.
Agree re “wasnt that stuff just as offensive as anything Jones said”
No it wasnt.
At least some conservatives are not insane enough to maintain defense in the face of the indefensible from Jones now. This wasnt his only nasty rude comment – he has been at it for years and yes he has lowered public discourse to a destructive level. Trouble is he is losing his grip.
Time to go AL. There are many conservatives who think so as well
dot, where did you get that definition, I have never seen anything like it. Please don’t just say, “I remember”, remember from where?
I wasn’t quoting you. I was giving you an example of how logic works. No wonder you are surprised.
You’re the kind of idiot that reads a mathematical proof and quips “citation needed!”.
You can’t think for yourself you dummy. Do you even know the etymology of imply and infer? If you knew that you wouldn’t be so stuck on this “rule” of English which you think is unlike all others, in that you think (wrongly) that it has no exceptions.
Sports giant Puma will next year unveil a coalition of companies that are prepared to develop ground-breaking work on creating an environmental profit and loss account (EP&L).
WHy is it with wankers like her that evrything her side does is noble whilst everything conservatives do is ‘hate-filled’?
She has it exactly the wrong way around, the conservatives are noble and brilliant people. It is the left who are the cry-babies who can dish it out but can’t take it.
Have you notice, Alice, that we on the right love lefties to talk, because they give away how stupid their ideolgy is evry time they do so. On the other hand lefties always want to shut down debate, because they know that in a fair fight they crum,ple like Obama did in Denver.
I would expect a lot of European companies would be keen to develop an environmental profit and loss account. GAAP hasn’t really been working for them for a while now.
Alice, it might be beyond my ken, but why would someone who thinks Tony Abbot and the Irish are fanatics for being anti abortion condemn someone of the same profession to damnation for simply holding the view that banks should be run efficiently with an aim to earn a profit?
Can you explain what theological grounds you base this on?
Sorry dot, but jarrah is right. From which statement you may legitimately infer that I believe that you are wrong. I am indeed implying that you are wrong.
Doesn’t often happen that way around!
“Now, Abbott & Bishop have to defend the jaunt by Turnbull and momementum is lost.”
Not really, no-one really particularly cares about what M. Turnbull says. He just doesn’t register much on the interest scale with people, particularly women.
Sad, but true.
David Marr offered a character assessment of Gina based on her litigation with her children. It was probably too strongly stated – but there is no doubt anyone objective reading reporting on the case so would feel that the case does not reflect well on her character.
Humphrey’s comments, of course, have to be seen in light of his renown for characters that do poor taste double entendre as their shtick. Undoubtedly in poor taste, but partly amusing only in light of their “shock” value for being in such poor taste while not in actual character.
The English woman said she was “unattractive”, like herself. Um, physically, she’s no model. Nicola Roxon has for years and years been called at this blog fat, ugly, greasy haired etc. D-d raises no objection to this, but goes in to bat for the squillionaire with one bout of attack on TV.
The whole episode was not very fair to Gina.
It also had nothing to do with her grieving for a recently deceased and loved relative; nor was it invented out of whole cloth, as is this whole “her father must have died of shame” business.
The federal Minister for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency Greg Combet joined Premier Mike Rann in touring the RPG Australia plant in suburban Adelaide today …
“With RPG in Kilburn, we see a company that has adapted to harness the opportunities of new green industries,” Mr Rann said.
“Out of their workforce of about 100 people, 90 of them are working on wind-turbine tower production – an industry that didn’t exist here a decade ago.”
2012:
Steel engineering company RPG Australia has entered administration and 154 redundancies have already been made, with a total of 310 jobs at risk …
The appointment of administrators to RPG is the latest in a spate of recent collapses in the struggling construction sector.
AJ offered a character assessment of Julia based on her political statements and actions. It was probably too strongly stated – but there is no doubt any objective reading reporting on Julia’s case would feel that the case does not reflect well on her character.
I don’t consider them rewards Gab; they are vacuous and show what a repetitive dimwit JamesK is. I’d be perfectly happy for him to stop being a boring twit.
Let me make it clearer dot, where did you get that definition, I have never seen anything like it. in any dictionary, anywhere.
Did you know you can’t just make up your own definitions to suit? Please explain how your dotionary etymology of infer is used to derive your assumed meaning.
Jamesk it just lowers this site into a Facebook universe, his stupid comments purely placed to elicit a reaction and then the thread just descends into a childish brawl. Maybe I’m just fed up with the same thing being played out with monotonous regularity. He shakes his tail feathers to get a response and then he gets his reward in the form of a responses.
CL, people know you lie. Soon you’ll have escalated my comment to Gab into a threat to arrange a pair of concrete shoes to be worn in Port Phillip Bay, or some such.
Unbelievable. CBS aired this conversation between reporter Sharyl Attkisson and LtCol Andrew Wood tonight. Wood is the special forces operator who will testify on the Benghazi sacking before Congress Wednesday.
ATTKISSON: Do you feel like there was a disconnect between what you saw on the ground and what the State Dept. folks thought was going on in Libya?
WOOD: There was certainly no disconnect in our transfer of information to them. They were getting the information on the situation on the ground. We sent it up through State Dept. cables and I sent it up to the military side on the D.O.D. side. So, there was awareness of what the situation in Libya was about.
ATTKISSON: How did you get the word that your team would not be allowed to stay?
WOOD: We knew that was coming through the cables and the draft cables that were going back and forth. The requests were being modified to say ‘don’t even request for D.O.D. support’.
ATTKISSON: So State Dept. was telling the folks on the ground in Libya ‘don’t continue to ask for this help’?
Steve C you dummy. Dictionaries do not have examples like the one I showed you. It wasn’t a definition so you’re just polishing your knob with your rhetorical flushes. It doesn’t mean the example is wrong, fuckhead. Nor did I ever assert that I got it from a dictionary.
Please tell me why etymologically I am wrong anyway.
David Marr offered a character assessment of Gina based on her litigation with her children. It was probably too strongly stated – but there is no doubt anyone objective reading reporting on the case so would feel that the case does not reflect well on her character.
Humphrey’s comments, of course, have to be seen in light of his renown for characters that do poor taste double entendre as their shtick. Undoubtedly in poor taste, but partly amusing only in light of their “shock” value for being in such poor taste while not in actual character.
The English woman said she was “unattractive”, like herself. Um, physically, she’s no model. Nicola Roxon has for years and years been called at this blog fat, ugly, greasy haired etc. D-d raises no objection to this, but goes in to bat for the squillionaire with one bout of attack on TV.
I’ve long been concerned about the mental health of the average leftist. Since the election of Rudd and Obama the hypocrisy, about face turning and long lectures explaining why it was ok to now support what minutes before they had been hysterically denouncing was damaging to the psyche but manageable. But since the Gillard knifing and then the Abbott leadership the self delusion and lying has gone to such dizzying heights that surely the tether to reality has in many cases broken.
What started as just a bit of holding-the-nose cynical agenda pushing has now become a full blown anything goes moral collapse by much of the pop-left.
Surely a mass mental breakdown is just around the corner.
Updated questionnaire for you dot, (including answers so far)
Please tell us what year you were born?
How many years did you train as an economist? (BEcon(Hons)) = 4?
How many years have you worked as an economist?
Are you currently working?
In what position?
If you are working, how do you find so much time for posting on this blog?
What is the subject of your PhD?
As a student are you receiving any government provided living allowance?
Are you in receipt of a government grant for your PhD research?
Steve is saying it would be OK if, say, Andrew Bolt made a joke about Nicola Roxon’s hole on Sunday.
No, you slut-calling moron, because Bolt is not Humphreys and there would be no context at all for why such a poor taste attempt at double entendre would be made.
But since the Gillard knifing and then the Abbott leadership the self delusion and lying has gone to such dizzying heights that surely the tether to reality has in many cases broken.
What started as just a bit of holding-the-nose cynical agenda pushing has now become a full blown anything goes moral collapse by much of the pop-left.
Surely a mass mental breakdown is just around the corner.Comment on Tuesday Forum: October 9, 2012 by .
I don’t know about their mental health, twostix, you could be right but for me it’s more about the character of the person. Or the lack of it, as they display on a daily basis. No shame, no conscience, no character.
No, you slut-calling moron, because Bolt is not Humphreys and there would be no context at all for why such a poor taste attempt at double entendre would be made.
So Bolt should just invite Humphreys on then, and they can have a grand old time says SfB.
dot, others have suggested you are fairly young (I don’t know if that is correct). Do you accept the use of “versing” as a verb as in “who are we versing” to mean who is our opposition in a game?
The federal Minister for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency Greg Combet joined Premier Mike Rann in touring the RPG Australia plant in suburban Adelaide today …
“With RPG in Kilburn, we see a company that has adapted to harness the opportunities of new green industries,” Mr Rann said.
“Out of their workforce of about 100 people, 90 of them are working on wind-turbine tower production – an industry that didn’t exist here a decade ago.”
2012:
Steel engineering company RPG Australia has entered administration and 154 redundancies have already been made, with a total of 310 jobs at risk …
The appointment of administrators to RPG is the latest in a spate of recent collapses in the struggling construction sector.
When, at Gillards direction, the pop-left in this country within literally one minute abandoned 10 years of “moral” rejection of off shore processing to forcefully and bitterly argue for what was the excellent idea ever of sending women and children to Malaysia where many would be caned and sent into sex slavery I said to poor old m0nty “Look at what they make you give” as he guiltily prosecuted the ALP cause and self betrayal.
Now look at where they are – defending Peter Slipper while calling a family man with three daughters a woman hater and efending the ABC laughing at a womans “hole” on prime time TV while denouncing Jones for a private comment.
Mute on thug Conroys desire to “manage” newspapers due to coverage the ALP doesn’t like.
lol no, CL, I wasn’t chastising you, merely pointing out how important and worthy-of-discussion issues get missed on this thread because of SFB inanities and people taking his bait, is all.
Man of the people Barack Obama schmoozed 150 high-dollar Hollywood donors at the Ritz-Carlton in Los Angeles last night. Cost of admission? $25,000/plate. A transcript of his remarks is posted on the White House website. He told a new, self-aggrandizing health care tale about his life-saving powers that caught my eye.
I work for myself and live frugally. I have never been on benefits. My Ph D topic is way over your head – you can’t even think for yourself. You are not worth the time it takes to mention the long title of it. You are a moron who accepts arguments from authority over reason. Given I am your social better – fuck off.
CL’s pathetic attempts at denying the importance of context are like a high school debating tactic he’s never shaken off.
Yeah CL, you don’t understand context. Insulting Gina is ok, coz she’s a righty. Insulting Gillard is misogynist, because she’s of the left. How hard is context to understand? Sheesh!
twostix, you’re a fellow sufferer. In fact, it’s rather like this blog was made for them.
Lol I don’t care about Gillard – except that she’s the best thing to ever happen to the ALP, she’s killing them and she’s killing the leftist feminist political movement in this country.
Both excellent things.
I just demand that she be vetted as Abbott has been which means full and frank front page discussions of her very, very sordid past. Starting with her presiding over an organisation that called all men rapists…detouring through chasing three married fathers while aiding one of them to embezzle a million bucks and being sacked for it, then a short stop over at 1000 dead bodies floating of the west coast of Australia courtesy of her policy failure and pride and finally ending with…well we don’t know yet now do we?
Updated questionnaire for you dot, (including answers so far)
Please tell us what year you were born?
How many years did you train as an economist? (BEcon(Hons)) = 4?
How many years have you worked as an economist?
Are you currently working? Yes, self employed
In what position?
If you are working, how do you find so much time for posting on this blog?
What is the subject of your PhD? Industrial Economics
As a student are you receiving any government provided living allowance? No
Are you in receipt of a government grant for your PhD research? No
Do you own a dictionary?
Keith, you can trust me or the ‘man’ who just argued that ridiculing Gina Rinehart’s “hole” on the ABC was acceptable because it was in “context.”
Rest assured I have been keeping score on reliability of posts here. sfb actually has a negative score due to his frequent posting of links that actually say the opposite of what he’d like to think they said. Last week was a stand out effort.
JULIA Gillard’s partner, hair products salesman Tim Mathieson, has a love child from a teen relationship and was involved in a drink-driving accident six years ago.
An investigation into the past of the man who is the boyfriend of the woman who could be Australia’s first female deputy prime minister has also uncovered claims he walked out on a family hairdressing business two years ago.
Mr Mathieson’s brother, a successful car dealer, is among those who have criticised Ms Gillard’s beau, saying his “flamboyant” brother had not lived up to his part of a business agreement to set up the salon at Shepparton, Victoria.
“We don’t see him much but he’s got a fairly busy life now. He’s always been flamboyant. He’s always been out there.”
lol no, CL, I wasn’t chastising you, merely pointing out how important and worthy-of-discussion issues get missed on this thread because of SFB inanities and people taking his bait, is all.
You really don’t miss anything by skipping over every comment posted by the trolls. As I said earlier, they are like flies buzzing.
Gab, I presume you can’t object to me being a distraction if I respond directly to one of your own comments.
This NOAA page keeps a tally of record high and low temperatures for the US over varying periods.
In the last 12 months there have been 32,754 record highs, versus 6,629 record minimums. (I think I am making the right comparison from the table.)
The reason the media is not reporting a week in which there were a couple of hundred record low temperature compared to high records is: it does nothing to change the fact that it has been a very hot year in the US.
As they have for a few decades now, records highs have been outstripping record lows by a considerable margin.
Apparently I use infer and imply incorrectly (see below), but an inanimate object “tells” *you* what words mean?
That’s impossible.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahaaaaaaa!
That contends for the most hilarious thing Dot has ever said. He asserts that you can’t learn anything from books because they’re inanimate objects. Apparently he’s an actual stone-age conservative, because he only believes in oral traditions of stories passed down around campfires.
What of the claim that “97% of climate scientists believe in AGW”? The origin of this spurious claim is a 2009 online survey of scientists by two University of Illinois professors who claimed to have found that 75 out of 77 climate scientists (yes, only 77 climate scientists!) answered yes to this question: “Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?”……
This may be how sausage is made, but it is not how accurate surveys are conducted. The “97% of climate scientists” claim is garbage. Anyone who cites it ought to be ashamed.
Which of course doesn’t work for shameless liars like liar-steve®
Mark my words, the MSM will try to crucify Abbott over his remark that the gov’t should’ve “died of shame”… even though he used that phrase many times and long before Alan Jones applied it to Gillard Snr.
The first is unbridled narcissism. Psychoanalytic developmental theorist Erik Erikson famously characterized an essential aim of adulthood as generativity—the caring for the well being of future generations. Climate change most likely will not be a threat for most of us, but it will leave our children, grandchildren, and future descendents with catastrophes of unimaginable proportions. In the deplorable obliviousness and indifference to the problem of climate change, any concern for the well being of future generations is being blatantly trumped by narrow self-interest and greed.
“Wait, so he’s not even a hairdresser? Just a hair product salesman?”
Don’t think it matters what job he does if they love each other. He has stood by her with her shady past come to light, and seems very good to her.
Also she seems a shrieky one if she doesn’t get her way. He’s not a bad poor bugger really.
So Gillard just capitalized on her own fathers death to attack Abbott??
She’s been allowing her mongrel ministers to capitalise on her father’s death for over two weeks now. Giving not one thought to how all this sustained blathering about what Jones said impacts her grieving mother and sister.
That was the most shrill, moronic display I’ve ever seen in parliament. That’s the best this lousy Playschool government and its harridan-in-chief have got? ABBOTT! SEXIST! ABBOTT! SEXIST! They are literally defending a woman-hating pervert because they hate Abbott more. That rabid display from the PM shows why she is not fit to hold the office. Would a Meir or a Thatcher resort to such childishness? Would they defend a deranged genuine sexist and instead accuse a father of three of hating the fairer sex? Fucking disgrace. Give us an election! THIS COUNTRY IS DYING OF SHAME!
Don’t think it matters what job he does if they love each other.
Oh, she wouldn’t dare let him go while still in office… I just think it’s funny that they had to pad out his credentials by pretending he was a hairdresser. LOL.
They are literally defending a woman-hating pervert because they hate Abbott more.
Just as they happily let 1000 people drown because they hate John Howard. Gillard is the most immoral piece of trash heading any government in the Western world.
We have a Member for Bedlam (Roxon), Member for Gutter (Albanese), and the Member for Sewer (Swan); what fitting seat does Gillard reside in? Member for …..?
We have a Member for Bedlam (Roxon), Member for Gutter (Albanese), and the Member for Sewer (Swan); what fitting seat does Gillard reside in? Member for …..?
That contends for the most hilarious thing Dot has ever said.
No, Dot is right, and you are wrong. There is no ultimate source of authority for a language.
Look up prescriptivism and descriptivism in linguistics.
Proper linguists are descriptivists. Authority-worshiping dunderheads like you and SteveC tend to be prescriptivists.
Sorry, I’m at work, and I can’t explain this now. Maybe tonight.
Regarding infer/imply, infer has been used in both senses of imply and deduce since it was introduced into the English language by Sir Thomas More in the 16th century.
Okay, so gillard’s clearly jumped the mussels today. Even old Grattan would see that and she’s probably penning the damage control article as we speak. I can see the headline now:
“Gillard outburst due to grief over father’s death”.
Bob Carr still employs and refuses to fire Bob Ellis, so one of course assumes that Carr and the ALP fully endorse these views:
Then there is the matter of double standards. In 2011 the ABC paid for, and subsequently defended, the former Labor speechwriter Bob Ellis’s comments that the Liberal MP Jillian Skinner was ‘’like a long-detested nagging landlady with four dead husbands and hairy shoulders’’.
Ellis never apologised for this insult, which was published on the taxpayer-funded website The Drum. But to the likes of Ms Price, an apology by the former Liberal speechwriter Jones for offensive after-dinner comments at a university function are not acceptable.
Now, who do I boycott to prevent Ellis from ever appearing or writing for the ABC again?
Regarding infer/imply, infer has been used in both senses of imply and deduce since it was introduced into the English language by Sir Thomas More in the 16th century.
Watching him on Q and A, he’s improved a lot. Apart froma actually arguing well and making very good points, his voice is less annoying, and the hair seems less poodle-like.
For a great discussion on the uses of infer introduced by Thomas More
Yes, excellent book. Thoroughly descriptivist. I’ve got a copy myself. You should read it.
I don’t think you were talking about personal infer (as the book MWDEU calls it). You were talking about “More 1533″. In which case you were wrong.
Regarding personal infer, I wouldn’t use it that way myself because it can be a bit ambiguous, but the fact is that native speakers do use it that way, so Dot is not wrong, and you are wrong to so adamantly claim that he is wrong.
Not one of these morons have actually given concrete reasons for retaining Slipper as Speaker. What a sick, twisted lot these vandals are. Gaol is too good for these Labor leeches.
dangph, we were talking about personal infer, which you would see if you checked the disputed usage (which was yesterday). And your point is exactly the point, that to use infer, when you really mean imply, is often (especially with dot) ambiguous. In other words it’s hard to tell whether dot meant Alice suggested something (implied) or deduced something (inferred). To use the more explicit word would typically be quite useful.
The “independents” side with the gov’t, the motion is defeated. The 43rd Parliament continues to drag our country through the mud. Anything less than a 70/30 2PP defeat of Labor at the next election will be an indictment of the Australian people.
Albo was just making a few cheap shots about the Alan Jones inspired loonies from the Convoy of No Confidence protesting outside his parliamentary office.
Parliamentary Secretary for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency Mark Dreyfus says the Opposition should not pre-empt the judge’s finding in the Federal Court case at which the Slipper texts were produced. He then pre-empts the judge’s finding in the Federal Court case by saying James Ashby, who has accused Slipper of sexual harassment, was criticised by the judge, failed to take other action to resolve his complaints and instead went to court to inflict “maximum political damage” on Slipper with Liberal help. [Yes, Dreyfus QC really is that much of a buffoon.]
Albo was just making a few cheap shots about the Alan Jones inspired loonies from the Convoy of No Confidence protesting outside his parliamentary office.
So he was using his position of power to “bully” them?
SteveC you’d better come quick a boycott needs to be organised.
Okay, I’ll take your word for that. (For now. Maybe I’ll check later if I can be arsed.)
But even so, again, you are wrong to adamantly claim that Dot was wrong. As I said, and as MWDEU documents, people do use infer as personal infer. As a descriptivist, that is good enough for me. You are simply not in a strong enough position to claim he is wrong.
You could have, if you liked, suggested—nicely, like a civilized human being—that such a usage could be ambiguous, but it’s really not worth getting upset about it and going on a smart arse rampage.
It’s hard not to admire someone who is universally held in contempt and yet has conspired to hold his parliamentary seat for over a decade and will seemingly retire in the office of the Speaker of the Parliament and on a fat taxpayer-funded pension.
Am I to take it that the lab party voting for slippers filth that I can go out tomorrow and dump that filth on any woman that comes within range and its O.K.Stop the world I want geet off…
What a great day it is for all those women who sacrificed to give money to Emily’s List.
Today the best and brightest person that scheme assisted had a big win for women.
Yes, Ms Gillard defamed a married man & father of 3 girls who gives his precious time to many community groups to defend Peter “the Musselman” Slipper – the man who calls women “c**ts”.
Time to wonder what things related to sex that Abbott may have said that he wouldn’t want the public to be hearing. We did have this example reported in the SMH some time ago, indicating that he’s not exactly beyond a crude comment himself:
The teaching staff members at the seminary were influenced by the reforms of Vatican II, and not at all to Abbott’s liking. Some of the young seminarians were practising homosexuals. When many years later Abbott and Quarmby met Noel Pearson on business, Abbott jokingly said, according to Quarmby: “Peter and I were the only seminarians who didn’t get f—ed.”
Of course, Andrew Bolt and candy must have missed that, when they were saying they were sure that Tony wouldn’t have made the “wouldn’t sell his arse” comment to Windsor.
Slipper’s character has taken a severe beating from the Ashby matter, there’s no doubt; but people today (from both sides of politics) are getting a bit precious about private language and what it means for his ability to be Speaker.
dangph, you seem to have a good grasp of word meanings, what is your take on this definition: The sender can infer and imply but the receiver can only infer. The sender can infer as long as the conclusion is obvious and the receiver requires no reasoning to come to that conclusion.
“I was personally offended the Leader of the Opposition said abortion is the easy way out,” she said.
Well, yes it is the easy way out but apart from that what on earth does it have to do with the Speaker of Parliament, Peter Slipper, calling women c—- and referring to the female genitalia as ‘mussels’?
“I was personally offended the Leader of the Opposition said abortion is the easy way out,” she said.
Apparently she did murder her own baby (I guess giving life to your baby was less important to the lying slapper than power and politics), so I guess she would be offended when reminded.
But hey, the Red Barren has added a thousand more corpses to her tally since. What’s one more?
Obama needs a nuclear strike against Iran to win this election. Did I just say that out loud?:
In the 11 swing states, the president earns 49% support to Mitt Romney’s 47%. One percent (1%) likes another candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided.
This is unchanged from yesterday, with the race the closest it has been since late September. Still, the president has now held the lead for 17 of the past 19 days. This survey is based on findings from the previous seven days, and most of the responses have now come since Romney’s debate win last Wednesday night.
In 2008, Obama won these states by a combined margin of 53% to 46%, virtually identical to his national margin.
Nationally, they’re now tied:
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Mitt Romney and President Obama each attracting support from 48% of voters nationwide. Two percent (2%) prefer some other candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided.
HAHAAHAAAHAAHHAAAAHHAAAHHAAAAHAAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Mr Tiger, I don’t know what you do for a living, but unless it is stand up comedy, you Sir,have missed your calling!
Wouldn’t surprise me if peter slipper has a breakdown of sorts, a genuine one. He’s become dissipated and seems to have let himself behave like a “dirty old man” and yet taking a massive salary for doing bugger all.
he must be aware of how this all looks? Something’s gonna break.
and Bob Brown’s Bitch. Yeah, about those signs. The people who did that were not involved with the Carbon Dioxide tax rally and many people on the day asked them to remove the signs. Both those signs appeared behind Abbott after he started speaking.
Goaded by John McTernan, the scum running the country are now not even pretending they’re principled. The possibility that Labor can win more than 30 seats in the House of Representatives is looking increasingly remote. Um, you realise parliament is televised and the public is watching?
I wonder if her slating of Abbott this afternoon just might be enough for the Gillard supporters to finally realise “that she has irretrievably lost her discipline”
SteveC, that definition is something that someone on the Internet made up. It’s not clear to me what they mean by sender, receiver, and message. I suspect it’s not a very useful way of looking at things, and that it’s not worth my time to try to puzzle it out.
Personally I never use infer to mean imply, but I know that some people do. I have no basis to say that they are wrong. So long as we are communicating, then that’s great, and I don’t care.
Your motive, however, SteveC, was plain to see. You wanted to use language as a stick to beat someone with. But you didn’t know as much as you thought you did, and you have ended up looking like a twat.
Given the track record, the possibility that this incompetent tart can maintain numerical superiority on the floor of the House for another year is also receding.
yep Gab, but they always say that when she screeches loudly
hysterical harridan are not words in their directory unless ofcourse they’re talking about Coalition or demonstrating women
I wonder if her slating of Abbott this afternoon just might be enough for the Gillard supporters to finally realise “that she has irretrievably lost her discipline”
That was merely a willful hamfisted tactic to draw the fire of the news media away from the real story of the day: Julia Gillard’s and ALP’s vote of total confidence and ownership of Peter “Mussels” Slipper.
In a proper country the media would chastise her for such an obvious and childish attempt at distraction. In Australia the neutered media praise her for it.
‘Wouldn’t surprise me if peter slipper has a breakdown of sorts, a genuine one. ‘
I wonder if McTernan risks letting Slippery Pete fester alone in his Canberra accommodation at night, in case he self-reflects into a meltdown or, worse for Labor, a bout of ethics and chucks it in ?
There is probably a rotating roster of staffers keeping Slippery Pete’s every waking moment filled with amusing road trips around Queanbeyan’s more colourful suburbs.
No doubt we will see an “impartial observer” courageously come forth with a shocking tale of lurid, sexist behaviour when a friend of a friend told her that Tony Abbott looked at his watch while she was delivering a tutorial presentation at uni nearly 40 years ago.
In a proper country the media would chastise her for such an obvious and childish attempt at distraction. In Australia the neutered media praise her for it.
Lickspittle:
How do you see our responsibility and the way that we should be reporting this matter?
dangph, that was dot’s definition. You see, he thinks the difference between imply and infer (in the sense of “suggest”) is a matter of degree, which must be correct, because you said so earlier.
My point to Alice yesterday was well made, and has been proved by the discourse, which was “if you want to really rile dot, tell him he doesn’t know the difference between imply and infer”.
But there are still a few rusted on leftie morons who can’t believe that Abbott would try such a misogynistic tactic in Parliament today:
Very strange attack from the leader of the oposition and his deputy when some of their actions are of an equally misogynistic nature, especially strange from the deputy. Mr Abbotts comments have equally brought shame onto the parliament.
cannot believe the comments Abbott has made – women ironing? men being natural exercises of power while the girls stay in the kitchen. god help half of australia if abbott gets in. surely the liberal party must act.
In all the hysterical discusion of name calling, I might point out that it all started with mr Abbott calling the PM a “liar” in respect of the carbon tax which he is still whineing about. For that alone he should have been immediately susupended from parliment.Enough of this childish name calling.If the members wish to behave like children they should remove themselves back to school, and let us elect responsible adults in their place.Another six or so independents would help.I suggest voters elect independents where ever possible instead of these factions.
There are no winners here. Unquestionably, Peter Slipper can no longer remain as speaker. However, the Prime Minister reminded us of Tony Abbott’s appalling track record when it comes to his attitude about women in a position of authority. If the Labor government falls over this, then I shudder at the prospect of an Abbott led Liberal government. Just wish the Libs would reinstate Malcolm Turnbull as leader. But this is not going to happen – the far right has a strangle hold on the party at this point in time. It is a depressing state of affairs.
Has a huge shipment of crack just arrived in Australia or something?
Bolt says: The “independents” Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott voted to save Slipper. So much for standing for higher standards. Jack Lang said: “put your money on self-interest, it’s the strongest horse in the race.”
steve from brisbane refers to a quote from the SMH (an impeccable source): ‘The teaching staff members at the seminary were influenced by the reforms of Vatican II, and not at all to Abbott’s liking. Some of the young seminarians were practising homosexuals’.
Horin was not quoting Peter Quamby or anyone else in her assertion that “some of the young seminarians were practising homosexuals”, she just made that up to give credence to the next bit: ‘When many years later Abbott and Quarmby met Noel Pearson on business, Abbott jokingly said, according to Quarmby: “Peter and I were the only seminarians who didn’t get f—ed” ‘ which could mean anything like a jokey blokey way of saying that they didn’t end up suburban priests.
Adele Horin is one of the journalists parting company with Fairfax.
This is all the left has. Tiresome arseholish campaigns about grammar and schoolgirl pleas of sexism!
and government!
They have no respect for the position and only respect for self aggrandisement.
There is no pragmatism, only an extreme ideological agenda cooked up by crackpot feminists, communists and deep greens.
They are destroying base and have no fucking idea how they have fucked themselves in the arse.
Nearly all of my extended family used to vote ALP. We had life members. No more.
I have friends who are former lifelong ALP voters – teachers, members of the teachers union who hated Abbbot – who now call themselves conservatives and libertarians and will never vote for the ALP (or Greens) ever again.
They are sick of the lack of substance, crude style and spin over issues. Quote the other day “they are not governing in the interests of the country. They are not statesmenlike. I read Bolt now because he tells it like it is”
Stupid of Gillard not to leave the mud-slinging to others – she should let others do the irty work while she stays above the fray – Politics 101. Instead, there she was, accusing Abbott of picking on her because she’s a girl.
Politics 101. Instead, there she was, accusing Abbott of picking on her because she’s a girl.
Pathetic.
She went fully retarded lying slapper mode today. She’s totally despicable. And what’s her dead father have to do with Abbott anyway? There’s nothing sacred to the lardarse, not even her dead father.
“It’s not clear to me what they mean by sender, receiver, and message. I suspect it’s not a very useful way of looking at things”
It’s only useful when people don’t understand the first time you explain things. Because you can only infer from something, it’s reasonable to talk about direction of information flow, especially because there is a speaker and a listener.
Unfortunately, Dot still doesn’t get it, so let’s try one last time.
If you can replace ‘infer’ with ‘deduce’ in a sentence and still have it make sense, then go ahead and use it. Same if you can replace ‘imply’ with ‘suggest’.
If the sentence doesn’t work when you make these replacements, you’re doing it wrong.
David Marr has just compared having an abortion as the removal of “a wart or a cyst” on ABC 24 hour channel.
Gillard and Emilys list support on demand abortion up to full term – that is fully formed babies being induced then held down and having a sharp metal implement shoved into their brain through the base of their skull a day before their due date.
As usual pro abortionists have to lie.
Then again what would a gay journalist know about pregnancy.
Finished work early and watched parliament. Started halfway through the Slappers harangue. She was a hysterical arm waving cretin who traded on her fathers death. Nice touch that.
Truss should retire.
Dreyfuss was excruciating. The defence of Roxon and the hiding behind sub judice, al the while ignoring the texts, as if they might change because of a judges ruling was truly dishonest.
Then I turn up here and find that the two asters are still fuckheads and worse, still here. “…and government”, you must be worried genius.
- luvvie #1 (33yo/f) hates Abbott viscerally (‘met him before he was a minister in the Howard Govt and he was rude’ is the reason). Has said this frequently for years. Voted for Newman, though, and hated it: but did it anyway to get rid of Bligh. Depends for news on Courier-Mail. Turned to me today during the Lying Slappers screechfest and said ‘that’s the last straw. I am voting LNP federally. They simply have to go.
- luvvie #2 (24yo/m). Comes from ALP family. Voted for Bligh, lives in Bligh’s electorate. Saw today’s spittle-flecked screaming howler-monkey performance by the Slapper. Said to luvvie #1 when she announced the above: “You are right. I mean, look at that. And look at Bligh. She promised to stay on, but quit a few days later so she could maximise her take from the taxpayer. But I am not voting for Abbott, I vote against Gillard.”
These are dyed-in-the-wool ALP supporters. Both remain loyal to the ALP in conversation, both are progressives. Both said they have to vote against Gillard, neither will have a bar of the greenfilth, both will vote to get rid of Gillard.
Marr’s hanging around the ABC a lot these days. I think the asshat is vying for a permanent gig. Watch.
I don’t think there will be any Maxine McKew style vacancies before the next federal election. In fact, most ALPBC employees will be desperate to hold onto their jobs after their spouses get thrown out so they can still put chardonnay on the table.
Who is is that bald, brain-damaged beta from The Punch? Does he actually think a government that lied to the nation over the carbon tax and fucked up every thing ever touched is going to climb in the polls and win an election over an un-prime ministerial little girl throwing a childish hissy fit? How can these leftist worms peddle such delusions?
Jesus. They’re words. They mean something. You can’t make up your own meaning and have people understand you.
Haha. Jarrah, look at the etymology of the words. Remember you told me to look at the meanings of the words? Maybe you should.
You are suiting your definitions you found somewhere made up by someone else that do not follow the etymology of the words, based on 19th century cultural preference which was irrational, whereas the way I use them does follow the etymology.
These are dyed-in-the-wool ALP supporters. Both remain loyal to the ALP in conversation, both are progressives. Both said they have to vote against Gillard, neither will have a bar of the greenfilth, both will vote to get rid of Gillard.
Gobsmacked am I.
Keep up the screeches, Slapper!
In about nine or so months, they will drift away from the ALP. Nine months is an awful lot of fail for Gillard, DC, Albo, Roxon, Combet, Wong etc.
Another reason why I miss kill files. You’re on the one in my head, it;’s a big file. Sadly though I read this on the way through.
No, no, Dead Soul, don’t make assertions and then pretend you’re above the fray; it’s a tiresome tactic you’ve adopted recently. BTW, I really don’t understand your animus towards me over the last year. I’ve enjoyed our discussions in the past, but there it is.
Romney with one speech trashes the pathetic approach of Obama to Foreign Policy, and then tonight on ABC TV News Jane Cowan has the nerve to say that Foreign Policy has never been a strong suit of Romney’s.
These people have to go.
The question is how are Gratten and her followers going to spin Gillards total rejection of her “advice” to dump slipper and not go near the whole sexism story line.
Gillard did exactly the opposite of what Gratten said she must do morally.
In her article Gratten inherently made it a moral issue, Gillard has failed so now surely Gratten must now probe Gillards hypocrisy and constant political misjudgment.
Face it, Prime Minister: Slipper is not fit for high office
The idea of Labor targeting Tony Abbott over his alleged ‘‘woman problem’’, while shillyshallying on Slipper, is not on. Surely.
Surely, but surely Gillard not only thinks he is, but thinks he’s worthy of a “feisty” defence over.
blogstrop – where exactly is the army of frustrated right wing sympathetic journalists/newsreaders/broadcasters in waiting with which to replace all of the existing ones you are unhappy with (being, as far as I can tell, every single one of them except for Bolt and Uhlmann?)
I got a bit behind, so have only just looked at Sunday’s Sun Herald. While the Carlton take-down of Jones was enoyable, this article by Annabel Crabb discusses the modern concept of a Clayton’s apology and is a good read. For those Jones supporters he only gets a very brief mention, so you can safely read without an attack of apoplexy: The non-apology: a spotter’s guide
Modern apologies have a punctuation problem. Have you noticed that? There’s hardly ever a full stop where there should be one.
Maybe it’s the vast new communications acreage offered by the expanding media landscape that makes people go on and on so much.
Or maybe it’s just a boutique new style of human interaction, in which it’s perfectly normal for the words ”I’m sorry” to be followed with a comma and a ”but …”
Or for the phrase ”There is no excuse for what I did” to be succeeded immediately by a generous list of things that would be very difficult to distinguish from excuses even in a strong light.
“Jarrah, look at the etymology of the words. Remember you told me to look at the meanings of the words? Maybe you should.”
Etymology and meaning are different, Dot, but in this case they match. From an etymology dictionary:
infer (v.)
1520s, from L. inferre “bring into, carry in; deduce, infer, conclude, draw an inference; bring against,” from in- “in” (see in- (2)) + ferre “carry, bear,” from PIE *bher- (1) “to bear, to carry, to take” (cf. Skt. bharati “carries;” Avestan baraiti “carries;” O.Pers. barantiy “they carry;” Armenian berem “I carry;” Gk. pherein “to carry;” O.Ir. beru/berim “I catch, I bring forth;” Goth. bairan “to carry;” O.E., O.H.G. beran, O.N. bera “barrow;” O.C.S. birati “to take;” Rus. brat’ “to take,” bremya “a burden”). Sense of “draw a conclusion” is first attested 1520s.
imply (v.)
late 14c., “to enfold, enwrap, entangle” (the classical Latin sense), from O.Fr. emplier, from L. implicare “involve” (see implicate). Meaning “to involve something unstated as a logical consequence” first recorded c.1400; that of “to hint at” from 1580s. Related: Implied; implying. The distinction between imply and infer is in “What do you imply by that remark?” But, “What am I to infer from that remark?”
Checkmate, you fool. You said you’d admit error at this stage. Go ahead.
After reading that Anthony Sharwood piece you would have thought that he must have attended the Margaret Simons Centre for Advanced Journalism at the University of Melbourne to have attained such unique insights, clearly not visible to his readers.
Jarrah you just ignored the bulk of that script and the etymology of the word.
I am only talking about a sensible exception to the trite version of the rule you bring up (invented by ???, for what reason), and my description fits the etymology and logic.
Oh and well done Gillard another FAIL. So todays performance by Gillard et-al was all for nothing.
The Liberals couldn’t have planned the whole thing any better than Gillard has managed to munge it from start to finish. First she makes Slipper the ALP’s problem, then taints Roxon and her government by defending him in court, then goes to the wall defending him then he quits immediately there after!
Is Gillard secretly working for the Libs and trying to kill the ALP? Nobody can be this incompetent!
Next up:
SfB declares Abbott’s homophobia responsible for Slipper’s resignation.
Provides out of context quotes and unrelated articles from TV Week to support his arguments.
The lying bitch is using the low voice she uses to announce the death of servicemen to tell us about Slipper’s “distressing, high-pressurised” situation. She’s trying to make the whole country vomit. Election now!
John McTernan is doing a tradesman-like job of demolishing his government. When he is told to piss off in the next week or so, will he try to deny this gig ever happened?
John McTernan is doing a tradesman-like job of demolishing his government. When he is told to piss off in the next week or so, will he try to deny this gig ever happened?
John Mcternan is the self described smartest man in the room “by far”.
So it’s just part of his cunning plan to make Gillard look even more incompetent and then use Fairfax to sternly and then hysterically call everybody in Australia misogynists thereby guilting us all into voting for her.
Possibly a perfect plan for a third world toilet like the UK.
Tony uses “she” and stands in front of some other people’s signs, and somehow he’s as bad as Slipper in Albo’s eyes – and many at the ABC. Sales finally did what she should do more often tonight, but she’s damaged goods.
Uhlmann wasn’t without fault tonight either. His Labor undies were showing.
Leigh Sales on the ALPBC seems kind of pissed at albosleazy in the interview.
She was undoubtedly all lined up to enable Piggy to triumphantly declare the battle with the evil thug Abbott won once and for all by the glorious feisty red headed leader.
She’s annoyed that they’ve allowed themselves to be embarrassed.
Disastrous day for the government, says Richo. Leadership speculation back on, Rudd peeps out from behind the door again. Gillard keeps intact her track record of one new crisis per calendar month for the rabble. Backbenchers and ministers alike are already plotting their payback tell-all memoirs to finance their disgraced retirement.
And let it be recorded that Julia’s narrow-shouldered beta bumboy lickspittle troll, Dumb as Dogshit, was by her side ’til the last.
Paul Murray and Chris Kenny fighting over who warned the punters first that the Peter Slipper strategy would end in tears. Richo confesses he thought it was “a good move”. “Mea Culpa!” says Richo. Hilarious!
But don’t get your hopes up. The whole purpose of this parliament is that there must be no election before November 30, 2013.
…plotting their payback tell-all memoirs to finance their disgraced retirement.
After this clusterf**k of a government falls it will be a sprint between the players to get their book out so they can blame it on the other useless tools in the Cabinet.
Nothing is funnier than watching Hawke & Keating spat. We’re going to have years of fun as Dullard, Goose, Albo-sleazy, Nanny, Plibersek & the rest all blame-storm away at each other.
“Jarrah you just ignored the bulk of that script and the etymology of the word.”
Holy hell. It’s there plain as day. If you’re now going back on your promise, that’s on you, but don’t pretend to believe the reverse of reality.
“I am only talking about a sensible exception to the trite version of the rule you bring up (invented by ???, for what reason), and my description fits the etymology and logic.”
Your ever-shifting description fits nothing. There is no exception, because there is no grammatical rule. There are only two words, the meaning of which are not in dispute anywhere on the planet except inside your head.
Well blow me Dots back from the dole office (which is where most phd students live)
saying
‘”Alice,
Are you still going to sue me? Why would you sue someone you think is on welfare? Why do you spend your time here picking fights?”
Why would I spend my time in here picking fights with you Dot?
You are one walking swearing lying bastard – thats why – I cant think of a better person to pick a fight with Dot. You are a walking fight. I have a list here of the insults you dish out to everyone including me.
I think you like fighting Dot (or at least you like swearing at peaople unreasonably and insulting them with every bit of dirt true or false or made up you can throw at them -0 yesterday’s experience was quite incrtedible for me when you actually dug out every post I ever made for ten years on blogs – so fucking what? Im entitled to my opinion and what sort of a weirdo does that exactly?? AS well as calls me an abortion nurse? I dont know who you are but I dont have as much interest in you thats for sure. I nwouldnt waste my time)
You seriously want to know,and ask why I want to pick a fight with you now?? Are you joking??? You booked ten years of fights with me Dot in one day! Thats why.
You cant take it when a woman answers you back dickhead?
McTernan will be gone soon. He will be called for by the chief of Brown’s ex-henchthugs, Ed Balls, because he is needed by the Testicular One for the Armageddon battle against the forces of evil, the tribe he detests most – not the Tories, don’t be stupid – against Ed Milliband and his trade union cabal.
There, McTernan will be able to brief, vilify, malign, smear, exaggerate, character-assassinate, story-plant, falshehood-unleash, sewer-traipse, garbage-bin-fossick and slither a slimy trail over the body politic to his heart’s content, because no-one he encounters among his fellow weevils in Westminster will think to ask – ‘oi, Hamish, weren’t you working in Australia for that redhead – how did that go in the end?’
You ascribed meaning to the word based on who does the action.
This is generally not how English works.
I am ascribing meaning based on to what degree information is conferred.
My point was that one party can sometimes in rare circumstances do what the other party always does.
What do you think an inference is?
It can be the process of (and up to and including the act of) coming to a logical conclusion. The writer/reader can do that, and they can even do that for the reader/listener.
Again you tell me I don’t know the meaning of words (a verb), but you don’t know the meaning of the related noun.
Now either you don’t agree what an inference is or you are trying to support a rule you don’t think exists.
How about you just give support to your heterodox economic theories.
I’m really interested as to how capital controls benefit society as they are nominated as a putative factor of poor Indian growth pre 1992.
You’re not going to sue me? That’s great Alice, better not to have enemies. I’d just like to know on what grounds you were going to sue me on so I don’t make the same mistake again.
Peter Slipper left the Speaker’s office tonight and the Opposition was left with a troubled sense of victory in the campaign to get rid of him.
I imagine they’ll be celebrating that “troubled sense of victory” over a Liberal rat long into the night.
Farr Out and Sharwood better hope Rupert can’t use those iPad thingys. I doubt he’d be too impressed with what Mr Kate Ellis is attempting to pass off as journalism.
You ascribed meaning to the word based on who does the action.
This is generally not how English works.
Fuck you really are stupid.
I post a letter. You receive the letter. It’s the same letter, the letter only does one thing. Does the verb change depending on who is the sender and who is the receiver?
I am ascribing meaning based on to what degree information is conferred.
And that’s exactly why you are wrong. Read the link that dangph gave above. Degree has nothing to do with it. Read the description of the personal use of infer, which is what you are using.
They go to work everyday risking their lives as part of the job description. Meanwhile, the limp-wristed celebrity beta in the White House sacrifices an ambassador to appease muslim savages trying to be a hero in the Middle East. You bet they hate him.
Mercedes-Benz Australia today released a response to a personal attack on one of its senior executives by broadcaster Alan Jones.
The carefully worded statement …aimed to clarify its position on advertising on 2GB, which Jones brought into question yesterday morning with a personal attack on the company’s corporate communications manager, David McCarthy, following his comments demanding the return of a $250,000 S-Class limousine.
Jones claimed a Mercedes-Benz advertising contract with 2GB had been cancelled two weeks before his controversial comments about the death of Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s father.
But the Mercedes-Benz statement claims there was more than one contract.
“Mercedes-Benz Australia/Pacific cancelled its corporate sponsorship contract with 2GB on 1st October 2012 giving 28 days’ notice,” the statement read.
“Separately there was an advertising contract with 2GB and our NSW Dealers. We now understand that this contract was cancelled on or about 19 September 2012 giving 28 days’ notice of this to 2GB.”
Mercedes-Benz said the widely condemned comments by Jones also prompted it to instruct its dealers to cease any advertising with the radio station.
“The Company advised our NSW dealers on 1st October 2012 that we had withdrawn our approval for them to advertise with 2GB with immediate effect to ensure that no further advertising was to take place on 2GB.
Yes, Dogshit’s Best Friend, your cyber-terrorism campaign is going splendidly. So well the gathering blowback from the assault on the working people of this country, which this represents, will have virtually destroyed the Greens as a viable political party by 2016. Just keep doing what you’re doing and feeding your stupid head into the electoral blender.
Sen. Obama, as he was then, pointed out that this requirement was waived in the case of New York and Florida because the people there were considered to be “part of the American family.” But the people in New Orleans — predominantly black — “they don’t care about as much,” according to him.
Unlike Wright’s church, the U.S. Senate keeps a record of who was there on a given day. The Congressional Record for May 24, 2007, shows Sen. Barack Obama present that day and voting on the bill that waived the Stafford Act requirement. Moreover, he was one of just 14 Senators who voted against — repeat, AGAINST — the legislation which included the waiver.
When he gave that demagogic speech, in a feigned accent and style, it was world-class chutzpah and a rhetorical triumph. He truly deserves the title Phony in Chief.
If you know any true believers in Obama, show them the transcript of his June 5, 2007, speech at Hampton University (available from the Federal News Service) and then show them page S6823 of the Congressional Record for May 24, 2007, which lists which Senators voted which way on the waiver of the Stafford Act requirement for New Orleans.
(Emphasis mine.)
From Thomas Sowell, who cannot be accused of racism against black people except by the most bendy-backwards, twisty-turny, Mobius-strip-like efforts of intellectual chicanery.
Therefore, a child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellioius children is not something to be taken lightly. The guidelines for administering the death penalty to rebellious children are given in Deut 21:18-21:
Infer-meaning-imply is uncommon, but it does exist. I would be hesitant to say it is wrong, simply because I have no basis to make that judgment.
There is no ultimate authority for languages. Languages are defined by their speakers. Languages existed before grammar books and dictionaries. And dictionaries, in any case, are compiled from corpora, from actual usage. There was never some Moses-like figure who brought the definition of the English language down from heaven. A language is created and recreated by its speakers.
You can say that infer-meaning-imply is uncommon, and that it’s maybe better not to use it because of that, and that it will no doubt lose in the long run, but I don’t believe you can say it is incorrect.
At a fundraiser San Francisco on Monday night, President Obama tied Mitt Romney’s comments about taking away federal funds to PBS to the infamous O.J. Simpson car chase in order to make a joke about Elmo the Muppet fleeing from Mitt Romney.
What could be funnier than a black man slitting the throats of white people?
I was hoping this was a spoof like the “rape causes global warming” post, but it seems legit…
Is that better or worse than voting and arguing against legislation that outlawed leaving late term babies that survive abortion on the abortion table for hours to die alone while referring to them as “fetuses outside of the womb”?
The family of that Brazilian man killed over a packet of biscuits has requested that footage of his murder be released. Here it is. He is grounded, cuffed, capsicum-sprayed and overwhelmed – then electrocuted by a foul-mouthed coward who should be jailed.
Le Snore adds her 2c (and no that’s not the latest FXJ share price)
For Labor, Peter Slipper’s speakership falls into the category of ‘‘it seemed like a good idea at the time’’.
Err no Le Snore. Outside the love media it was condemned as just another example of Gillard’s short term political opportunism that would not stand up to scrutiny. And so it proved.
“To say, ‘Do a google search for “infer and imply”, FFS,’ is very silly. Most of the information out there will be pretty low quality.”
Not the high-ranking results, although I understand your reticence. My main aim is to impress on Dot how basically everyone follows the dictionary definitions, and while some confuse the two words, no-one has Dot’s definition:
If the sender removes all need to reason or to deduce to come to a conclusion from a but does not explicitly say x or y, they have inferred it.
“There is no ultimate authority for languages. Languages are defined by their speakers.”
Sure, majority rules. Dot is in a minority of one.
“And dictionaries, in any case, are compiled from corpora, from actual usage.”
Exactly. Dot is trying to give completely new meaning to established words.
It is not incorrect and I am not trying to change the meaning at all. I referred to the etymology and the noun and you ignored them. I am saying it is an exception to a general “rule” (for the lack of a better word) and in the right circumstances it is correct.
Have to laugh at teh opion page of he Oz. Amongst all the palaver about Slipper and the overreach in parliament yesterday, there is a puff piece by Swan claiming we are doing really well as in comparison the Europeans are doing really, really bad. But the OZ subbys have titled it:
Strictly speaking, no. I found two instances in a sample of 100 random sentences in the COCA corpus. But yes, that is very uncommon.
Sure, majority rules.
I don’t know. For instance, I say different to whereas most of the world seems to say different from. I think different to might be an Australian thing. If majority rules, then that usage is incorrect.
Exactly. Dot is trying to give completely new meaning to established words.
Both meanings go back to the very beginnings of the word.
The Age just shit all over gillard.The awu scandal is now out there
What The Aged and Mark Baker have done is regurgitate what was uncovered by a real investigative reporter, Hedley Thomas, and have passed it off as something the Aged reported on “last month”. Not once in the Aged’s “article” is any recognition or attribution afforded to the Australian. Nor has the Aged article added any new information, although that’s how it is made to seem.
But two things. They’re being very explicit in telegraphing that Gillard clearly lied and was up to no good – and with a minimum of formulaic legalese qualifications. And the timing – though perhaps coincidental – is very aggressive.
The last paragraph was still stunning, despite what we knew. She was actually sleeping with this crim and there she was with the partners discussing his wife and her material situation. She clearly had contempt for married women.
I just wish the Polls were being released NOW – I’m sure the 2PP numbers will shatter Labor.
I’m getting the impression that the ALPBC, the suckhole Fairfax papers and the unapologetic Gillard supporters are seeing their pro-Labor stance being lost and they are beginning to scramble to save their journalistic lives.
As far as I can ascertain, the Age article this morning is the first to establish documented proof that the Fitzroy house in which Gillard lived was purchased with improperly obtained funds from the bogus WA Workplace Reform Association.
THE disgraced former boyfriend of Prime Minister Julia Gillard took a leading role in the purchase with stolen union funds of a Fitzroy unit bought in the name of a union crony, new documents reveal.
The documents also confirm that Ms Gillard intensely managed legal work on the 1993 transaction – without advising her senior partners at law firm Slater & Gordon of the involvement of boyfriend Bruce Wilson.
The house was nominally purchased by Australian Workers Union official Ralph Blewitt, a protege of Mr Wilson, a former West Australian and later Victorian state secretary of the union.
A letter sent to Mr Wilson from Ms Gillard’s office on February 22, 1993, said: ”Mr Blewitt will be registered owner of the unit you are purchasing.”
Mr Blewitt had not seen the unit, in Kerr Street, Fitzroy, when it was bought earlier that month by Mr Wilson, who was accompanied to the auction by Ms Gillard.
The transaction was effected by Mr Wilson using a power of attorney for Mr Blewitt that was drafted by Ms Gillard.
Ms Gillard broke off her four-year relationship with Mr Wilson and resigned from Slater & Gordon after she was challenged by senior partners in late 1995 about the work. She has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing since then.
National officials of the AWU discovered in April 1996 that the unit had been purchased partly with stolen union funds – a total of more $100,000 towards the unit and stamp duty.
Investigations by police and the AWU found hundreds of thousands of dollars had been misappropriated from the AWU Workplace Reform Association.
The assertion that Gillard “intensively managed” the transaction suggests she knew exactly where the money came from.
The author, Mark Baker, is one of the few adults left at The Age and has been there for about 20 years. Tellingly, there was zero input from the Labor bum-lickers in the Canberra bureau.
A speaker or writer cannot ‘infer’ anything in a statement or expression, although that statement or expression can proceed from an inference the speaker or writer has previously drawn. The speaker or writer can certainly ‘imply’ something in that statement or expression, but only the person listening to them or reading what they say can ‘infer’ anything from that.
Saying to someone who has just spoken to you, ‘what are you inferring by that?’ is nonsensical.
Bolt’s midnight piece documenting how the press gallery salary thieves absolutely loved the Peter Slipper appointment is worth bookmarking so their disgraceful stenography can be quoted back to them at will.
Via Bolt – the only numbers that matter at the moment:
Assume Anna Berk is Speaker. The numbers then are 74 votes for Laybore (71 Laybore MP’s, Bandit, Windbore and Oakeshitt), with 2 floating vote (Wilkie and the Musselman) and 73 votes in opposition (71 Coalition MP’s, Hatter, Crook). That’s 74-73-2 … with Berk resolving any tied vote.
So the gubberment could lose a no confidence vote if wilkie and the musselman vote for their own (and the gubberment’s) extinctification. Lardarse remains PM and leader at the election.
Where’s Spot? Has he ducked home to NC? I’m thinking of the Dawg because Romney is charging home, the game has totally changed, Mitt is leading the Swing State Poll as well as the national poll, Obama is in huge trouble … and the NY Times is playing some elevator music from the South as its top election story:
RALEIGH, N.C. — Dexter Hady, a black landscaper here, is exactly the kind of Obama supporter who could have slipped through the cracks this year. He recently moved to a new address and, not being as excited about the coming election as he was about the 2008 campaign, neglected to update his voter registration.
By chance, a volunteer for the Obama campaign stopped Mr. Hady outside of the Wake County Courthouse here recently and asked him if he was prepared to vote. Mr. Hady said no, and went on to explain: “I can say I was definitely more excited to vote for Obama last time. I guess part of it is that history has already been made.”
For the Obama campaign, it is almost impossible to overstate the importance of winning over people like Mr. Hady again in North Carolina, which has the largest percentage of black voters of any of the swing states — especially in the wake of President Obama’s performance in the first debate on Wednesday, which was widely seen as lackluster. In 2008, a strong black turnout that voted almost exclusively for Mr. Obama was credited with helping to turn North Carolina blue for the first time in decades, contributing to his ultimate victory.
For that to happen again, Mr. Obama would need a near repeat of black voter behavior in Raleigh and across the state. But times have changed. Enthusiasm is down, unemployment is up. And some socially conservative black ministers in North Carolina, where voters passed a referendum against gay marriages and civil unions in May, remain troubled that Mr. Obama endorsed same-sex marriage this year.
This is truly one of the weirdest moments in US political history: The press are in the pocket of the White House and are refusing to acknowledge that the incumbent is about to be defeated.
A big call by Thomas Sowell, as the Obama admin plan Fast & the Furious has lead to the death of almost 200 people.
That said I agree with Sowell that the fact we have a tape of Obama lying in a flagrant attempt to stir up racial divisions should disqualify him from being president.
I find the infer argument so amusing. Dang is correct in this statement.
There is no ultimate authority for languages. Languages are defined by their speakers. Languages existed before grammar books and dictionaries. And dictionaries, in any case, are compiled from corpora, from actual usage. There was never some Moses-like figure who brought the definition of the English language down from heaven. A language is created and recreated by its speakers.
Unlike German & French, there is no legal commission in place to define language. English is a living language, and as much as it annoys people that Alanis Morrisette has entrenched a new meaning for “ironic” through he song.
Definitely agree that English is a living, organic language; and I am glad that there is no ‘English Academy’ poncing about in London issuing decrees and proclamations; but that doesn’t mean it’s open slather to mangle it, and that people who seem to think that ‘imply’ and ‘infer’ mean the same thing – or ‘practice’ and ‘practise,’ or ‘licence’ and ‘license’ – shouldn’t be told, ‘hang on, these words have precise meanings, and should be used properly.’
Otherwise we end up dumbing-down our own tongue. – the language of Byron, Fitzgerald and Donleavy.
The Destroy The Joint Facebook page, used to attack broadcaster Alan Jones, was set up by left-wing union official Sally McManus, who counts Employment Minister Bill Shorten as a friend.
The Destroy The Joint Facebook page, used to attack broadcaster Alan Jones, was set up by left-wing union official Sally McManus, who counts Employment Minister Bill Shorten as a friend.
Not only does the PM exploit sympathy for the death of her father in question time, the union movement exploit it for commercial advantage.
More is coming to light on the disgusting shameful episode where the BBC spent 40 years covering up for a p*do & sexual preditor.
In the first official estimate of the scale of his crimes, Scotland Yard said its team was pursuing 120 separate lines of inquiry against the late BBC presenter.
So far eight criminal allegations have been formally recorded against him, two of rape and six of indecent assault, involving girls aged between 13 and 16.
Police said Savile had a “predilection” for young girls and that his offending was on a “national scale” and went on for four decades.
In the meantime, their ABC is telling me that the Facebook campaign and the fake change.org petition are to be seen as a warning to social change for advertisers.
No mention by their ABC that the FB camapign was driven by Labor and the change.org petition was signed by famous dead people.
I missed the answer to this question the last time I asked. The question is what do the ALP barrackers think the party should do about our problems of debt and productivity?
Sorry if this distracts you for a moment from more important problems.
Asked why Gillard appointed Slipper, Plibersek reveals herself as a low-rent troll:
… it raises the question about the role that Tony Abbott’s playing… the Leader of the Opposition hasn’t distanced himself from the use of this type of language… why won’t the Leader of the Opposition take similar responsibility … When Tony Abbott wrote a letter …When Tony Abbott wrote a letter… when Tony Abbott attended Mr Slipper’s wedding … We don’t see the Leader of the Opposition … We’ve got a Leader of the Opposition … you could very equally ask why the Leader of the Opposition … Tony Abbott and his front bench … a further effort of Tony Abbott to smash the place up… If Tony Abbott becomes the leader of this country we’ll have one of the most aggressively negative politicians in Australian history …Tony Abbott would be a disaster as prime minister… Tony Abbott hasn’t wanted to get on with business…. He’s wanted to smash the place up from the day that he became Opposition Leader… it’s actually going to take Tony Abbott to stop trying to blow the place up every day.
Abbott evidently thinks Slipper’s vote is not tainted.
The issue yesterday was whether Slipper was fit to be hold the highest office in the House. Unlike the ALP, Greens & Independents, Mr Slipper agreed it was not appropriate he hold such a position.
If every one plaeed in parliament by Emily’s List to represent the wymmyn’s issues industry were willing to go on record voting to state the mysoginist Slipper is fit to be speaker, why shouldn’t the Coalition accept his vote M0nty?
Saying to someone who has just spoken to you, ‘what are you inferring by that?’ is nonsensical.
Yay, more “English” taught by the internet.
Otherwise we end up dumbing-down our own tongue. – the language of Byron, Fitzgerald and Donleavy.
You are giving them rules they never wrote under.
people who seem to think that ‘imply’ and ‘infer’ mean the same thing – or ‘practice’ and ‘practise,’ or ‘licence’ and ‘license’ – shouldn’t be told, ‘hang on, these words have precise meanings, and should be used properly
How dare you. My use of infer by the writer is very precise.
On matters industrial.
Can anyone tell me if permanent part-time employees should have precedence for attending the workplace over casual employees ?
Someone very near and dear to me is permanent part-time at a specified 20 hours per week, and she is being “asked” to fit in and reduce hours in an attempt to keep casuals at their usual levels of attendance.
Aside from offending my sense of fairness, this seems to be breaching the contract (to my naive eyes).
Does anyone have any comment about the relative precedence of permanent (part-time or not) versus casual, or can anyone point me in the right direction to obtain some solid information about this ?
Earlier, Mr Abbott said Mr Slipper would be “unpredictable” on the crossbenches but that his Queensland constituents “expected” him to vote with the Coalition.
“Certainly he was elected as a Coalition member, his electorate would expect him to vote with the Coalition,” Mr Abbott told Sydney’s 2UE radio.
“I think he will be highly unpredictable on the crossbenches.”
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However the Opposition Leader conceded he thought it was likely Mr Slipper would vote with Labor, which last year appointed him Speaker.
“I think his electorate would expect him to vote with the Coalition but independents are normally got at by the government,” Mr Abbott said.
“I imagine should Mr Slipper continue to sit on the crossbenches one way or another if the government needs his vote they will get it.”
And now supporting the trashing of parliamentary rules:
PETER Slipper has backed the federal government in his first vote as an independent MP.
Sitting on the cross benches, a day after he resigned as Speaker, Mr Slipper supported a Labor move to change the procedure for electing a second deputy speaker.
Standing orders require it be a non-government MP but with the election of National Bruce Scott as deputy speaker Labor was keen to have one of its own – Steve Georganas – elected as second deputy.
Earlier, Mr Abbott said Mr Slipper would be “unpredictable” on the crossbenches but that his Queensland constituents “expected” him to vote with the Coalition.
“Certainly he was elected as a Coalition member, his electorate would expect him to vote with the Coalition,” Mr Abbott told Sydney’s 2UE radio.
“I think he will be highly unpredictable on the crossbenches.”
However the Opposition Leader conceded he thought it was likely Mr Slipper would vote with Labor, which last year appointed him Speaker.
“I think his electorate would expect him to vote with the Coalition but independents are normally got at by the government,” Mr Abbott said.
“I imagine should Mr Slipper continue to sit on the crossbenches one way or another if the government needs his vote they will get it.”
Some of you may infer that I am implying that I am sick to death of reading about this subject. The implication of this statement is that some of you may be upset by this inference.
Please, can we cease and desist?
Absolute Cringe Fest: The Age embarrass itself again – calls the nutty left US gossip blog Jezebel “the world press”, links to it and quotes it, a site whose current top front page headlines are:
Sexytime Dilemmas: Facials, Masturbation and Butt Fingering Slut-Dropping, and Other Ways College Teaches Kids to Be Sexist Assholes Now Men Can Get Slut-Shamed, Too!
Unbelievably most of the comments damn Gillard – even the Ages few remaining readers don’t believe the shit they’re shoveling out.
In the 11 swing states, Mitt Romney earns 49% support to Obama’s 47%. One percent (1%) likes another candidate, and three percent (3%) are undecided.
This is the first time Romney has led the daily Swing State Survey since September 19. Until today, the president had led for 17 of the previous 19 days, and the candidates had been tied twice. This survey is based on findings from the previous seven days, with most of the responses now coming since Romney’s debate win last Wednesday night.
Forty-six percent (46%) of these Swing State voters are now “certain” they will vote for Romney and will not change their minds. Forty percent (40%) are certain they will vote for the president.
In 2008, Obama won these states by a combined margin of 53% to 46%, virtually identical to his national margin
The Republican National Committee points out that in the last few days, Obama has mentioned Big Bird eight times, and Elmo five–and Libya and Plans for the economy not at all.
RNC: The Campaign Count
Big Bird, it seems, isn’t thrilled about his cameo in the presidential race.
The folks at Sesame Street are asking the Obama campaign to pull down a TV ad released Tuesday that mocks Mitt Romney for vowing to yank the subsidy to PBS.
At the presidential debate in Denver last week, Mr. Romney said he would end the subsidy in view of the nation’s fiscal troubles…..
Sesame Street isn’t amused. Sesame Workshop, a nonprofit educational organization that produces and owns the show, issued a statement Tuesday saying “we do not endorse candidates or participate in political campaigns. We have approved no campaign ads, and as is our general practice, have requested that the ad be taken down.”
Gab, if you are inferring from my earlier comment that I have had enough of reading about this topic across several threads, you would be correct.
Look, I too can be a pedant of the highest order, in fact, that personality trait forms part of my job description. However, there comes a time when all participants need to say that enough is enough, this is going nowhere.
Absolute Cringe Fest: The Age embarrass itself again
Not just The Age I’m afraid Twostix, News Ltd are also running with same shitty story, there must have been a memo from McTernan. I feel dirty now, such terrible, terrible ‘journalism’.
Vice President Joe Biden has not sat down for a nationally televised interview in 5 months. The last big TV interview Biden did was on NBC’s Meet the Press, when he jumped the gun and came out in favor of gay marriage before President Obama was able to publicly shift his position. Days later, Obama did his own nationally televised interview and expressed his own support for that initiative.
Biden’s Meet the Press interview aired Sunday, May 6, 2012.
In fact, it is not just TV Biden has been avoiding. He’s done only one print interview since Paul Ryan joined Mitt Romney on the Republican ticket back in August.
“From all we can find, Joe Biden has done one interview since Paul Ryan joined the ticket August 11. One. And it was with John Heilemann for New York magazine. Over that period, Paul Ryan has done 197 interviews, 153 of those on TV (29 National & 124 local/regional). The rest print or radio,” says an aide at Mitt Romney’s campaign headquarters.
A Republican source explains why Biden is being kept away from the press.
“Joe Biden gets used by the Obama Campaign like Bernie from ‘Weekend at Bernie’s,‘” says the Republican source. “They drag him out to a battleground state, prop him up on a podium in front of a teleprompter, pose him for photos with locals, and then quickly roll him back to Air Force 2 before reporters have a chance to ask him questions. They want Biden to be seen, but not heard in any interviews because they’re afraid he might embarrass the president with another one of his hilarious gaffes.”
Even President Obama has sat for interviews during this time. Most notably, Obama joined the ladies of The View for a daytime interview when he was in New York City recently for the United Nations General Assembly.
Exactly four weeks before Election Day, Mitt Romney has taken the lead in the RealClearPolitics (RCP) average of recent polling. Of the six most recent polls, three show Romney ahead, two show President Obama ahead, and one shows the race tied. Overall, RCP shows Romney leading by a tally of 48 percent to 47.3 percent. This appears to be the first time in nearly a year that Romney has taken the outright lead (as opposed to gaining just a share of the lead) in the RCP average.
Like the last days of the Roman Empire, I think there might be a civil war going on at Fairfax between The Journalists (Mark Baker’s expose on Gillard-Wilson-AWU) and the Scatterbrain Children (Julia ‘Baddass’ Gillard). The Baker piece has now been virtually erased from The Age website. The Occupy delinquents are winning this morning’s battle … and killing the company.
The Baker piece I hope is prelude to more writing by Hedley Thomas.
Repeated examination of the 1995 transcripts will be interesting too.
I picked up the SMH today and was stunned to see this story buried on page 5. The strategy of attacking Abbott is really getting to it’s “best used by date” but is a great deflector.
Politics as theatre – what were they once saying about being policy driven?Pathetic.
The Press gallery again completely missed the main game. Slipper certainly did not do the right thing. He was forced into resigning via a deal with Windsor and Oakeshott.
While Abbott was speaking to the Slipper motion in the House, Oakeshott and Windsor had Slipper cornered in his office making him an offer he couldn’t refuse.
“Agree to resign or we both will
support the motion to sack you”, they told Slipper. He had no choice but to agree and avoid ultimate disgrace.
Astonishing that the Press gallery was off on another track about Abbott’s “misogyny”.
Slipper did not display honour in resigning. If it wasn’t for Oakeshott and Windsor he would still be there.
The two Independents effectively voted with the Opposition to dismiss the Speaker. It’s just that it didn’t seem that way when votes were counted.
Oakeshott and Windsor were cunningly able to avoid giving Abbott a win on the Floor, while getting Slipper to resign at the same time using a threat to vote with the Coalition and ignominiously sack him. The hapless Slipper had no choice.
There was no honour involved at all.. now THAT makes sense.
The NYT editorial hated Mitt Romney’s foreign policy speech – a surefire sign that he was on the money
Mitt Romney mounted a big foreign policy display on a flag-draped stage at the Virginia Military Institute on Monday, serving up a lot of tough-sounding sound bites and hawkish bumper stickers, some of them even bumping up somewhere close to the truth, to give the appearance that he would be stronger and more forceful on international affairs than President Obama.
He seems to consider himself, ludicrously, a leader similar to the likes of Harry Truman and George Marshall, and, at one point, he obliquely questioned Mr. Obama’s patriotism. The hope seems to be that big propaganda, said loudly and often, will drown out Mr. Obama’s respectable record in world affairs, make Americans believe Mr. Romney would be the better leader and cover up the fact that there is mostly just hot air behind his pronouncements.
LOL
I love the smell of leftist fear and derangement in the morning
PM Julia Gillard tweeted her thoughts on his sudden resignation tonight.
JuliaGillard_MP
The grubby & hypocritical attacks by the Liberal Party on Speaker Peter Slipper MP, a man of distinction, has forced his resignation. TeamJG
Julia Gillard
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JG thinks Slipper is ‘a man of distinction’. I truly believe that it is just as well her father is not around to see this. The traditional Welsh working class (firmly wedded to conservative Chapel moral codes) would not have touched Sleazy with a 50 foot pole.
CAIRO — The elections that followed the Arab uprisings elevated Islamists out of decades of repression and into the region’s most powerful posts. Here in Egypt, a former prisoner became president.
But to Salafists, adherents of a puritanical form of Islam who have embraced the country’s new freedoms with gusto, the emerging Islamist order has a serious flaw: It isn’t nearly Islamist enough.
“They say that the people do not want sharia,” said Gamel Saber, a back-slapping Salafist activist who said he dreams of a day when his country’s courts will fully implement Islamic law. “But that is not true. They are ready.”
Saber’s dream is shared by millions of allies across North Africa, and that reality is proving to be the most serious challenge yet for the months-old governments struggling to find their feet in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia.
As moderate Islamist leaders in all three countries begin to craft post-revolutionary constitutions, the Salafists in their midst are pushing — sometimes at the ballot box, sometimes at the point of a gun — to create societies that more closely mirror their ultraconservative religious beliefs and lifestyles.
The formidability of the Salafist awakening and the problems it poses for the new governments are unexpected.
To the leftist chumps at the Washington Post and Obumma WH maybe, but not to anyone else with eyes to see and a minimum standard understanding of history as far back as 1979.
Look for the brightest lights in town
That’s where you’ll find me hanging round
I’ve got this feeling to be free
I pick and choose the life I want
And that’s the life for me
clambake, gonna have a clambake
clambake, gonna have a clambake
If you want cheering up, go read Kos. He has some swing state polling that shows that the Obama free-fall may have stalled for a bit. I only note that in the poll of polls, Obama has now thrown away his leads in Florida and Virginia (Romney’s now ahead), and is now only clinging on in Ohio, Wisconsin, and Colorado. Obama basically threw away six months of hard and smart campaigning in an interminable hour and a half. I’ve never seen a candidate do that before in my lifetime.
And if a fast-backfiring Sesame Street ad was the Obama campaign’s response to the implosion of last week, I’m not reassured. Seriously: after your entire agenda has been stolen from you by one of the most shameless con-men in politics on live TV, you decide that the way to come back is by playing the Big Bird card? That’s why I’m worried. ……………
And yet Obama did not lose the debate. For the first time I can recall, he forfeited it – and we are where we are. No sitting president since debates began has ever lost a first debate by the margin Obama did. I don’t think any challenger has ever done that badly either in terms of impact (suggestions welcome for a precedent of some kind). So what to do?
I think he needs to reboot by embracing Bowles-Simpson in its entirety (but he’s far too timid to do that and he fumbled the moment when he really could have done it) and challenging Romney on his big Pentagon spending.
He admitted to ABC that there never was a protest at the consulate, as the Obama administration has always claimed. Rather, the first warning those inside the consulate had that something was wrong was an explosion. They looked out and saw a large number of armed men approaching. It was a terrorist attack, pure and simple, well-planned and well-executed. It had nothing to do with a YouTube video.
Independent pollster: ‘Romney has won swing states so we’re not even bothering to poll there again.’
The president of Suffolk University Political Research Center tonight told Bill O’Reilly on The Factor that the company will not be taking any further polls in Florida, North Carolina and Virginia. David Paleologos, Suffolk University Political Research Center Director, told Bill these states are clearly going to Romney.
“In places like North Carolina, Virginia and Florida, we’ve already painted those red. We’re not polling any of those states again. We’re focusing on the remaining states.”
Apologies, I now find from a reputable source (Bolt) that the Gillard tweet is a false account – although it appears in the Terrorgraph’s main story about Slipper. However, the substance of my comment still stands.
President Barack Obama did not take his debate preparation seriously, ignored the advice of senior aides and walked off the stage in Denver believing he had got the better of Mitt Romney, according to a Democrat close to the Obama campaign.
The Democrat said that Obama’s inner circle was dismayed at the ‘disaster’ that the first presidential debate had turned out to be and believed that the central problem was that the President was so disdainful of Romney that he didn’t believe he needed to engage with him.
‘President Obama made it clear he wanted to be doing anything else – anything – but debate prep,’ the Democrat said. ‘He kept breaking off whenever he got the opportunity and never really focused on the event.
Plibersek’s performance on Lateline was truly bumbling. She couldn’t even stick to the script.
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But the Prime Minister couldn’t have known before today about … or the last few days as these text messages have become public about what was contained in these text messages.
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The idea that we make judgments and take people’s roles away from them based on these sorts of allegations I don’t think is the proper role of the Parliament of Australia.
Even the ALPBC couldn’t let that go through to the keeper. Emilys List at work.
Some U.S. intelligence personnel claim the Obama administration tried to cover up details of the Benghazi attack as part of a broader attempt to cover up Egyptian and Iranian support for jihadists throughout North Africa and the Middle East.
To this end, these intelligence community members claim the Obama admin is withholding critical information from senior officials and the public.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, one intelligence official pointed out that Iran has been promising to hit soft U.S. targets for some time, and a number of such targets were hit at varying degrees on Sept. 11, 2012. This intelligence official also points out that none of the Obama administration’s explanations for what happened have contained pertinent information about “the cooperation of Iran and Egypt in supporting jihadists in Libya.”
It should be noted that the Obama admin is already facing heavy criticism for not doing more to stop Iran’s development of nuclear weapons. The admin is also being scrutinized for its plans to expand financial aid to Egypt by $450 million.
Has anyone else noticed that Albo’s doorstop before Question Time yesterday contains identical – and I mean IDENTICAL – phrasing to what Gillard screeched an hour or two later in Pariament?
How many times do you reckon she re-hearsed this to get the Ooooh so faux-outrage just right to ensure she gets the “Australia’s prime minister Julia Gillard is one badass motherXXXucker.” label. LOL
“I had donated to the original campaign and will again,” she writes. “I would also give my vote but alas I am a Canadian… but am a staunch supporter of the Obama-Biden Team.”
The Obama blog has since deleted all comments on the thread, but not before Breitbart News screen captured them (see above).
So I’m sure everyone knows why it is illegal for foreigners to donate the political campaign.
Obama sure does:
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: “With all due deference to separation of powers, last week the Supreme Court reversed a century of law that I believe will open the floodgates for special interests –- including foreign corporations –- to spend without limit in our elections. I don’t think American elections should be bankrolled by America’s most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American people. And I’d urge Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that helps to correct some of these problems.”
…But asked about the administration’s initial _ and since retracted _ explanation linking the violence to protests over an anti-Muslim video circulating on the Internet, one official said, “That was not our conclusion.” He called it a question for “others” to answer, without specifying. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to speak publicly on the matter, and provided no evidence that might suggest a case of spontaneous violence or angry protests that went too far.
How many times do you reckon she re-hearsed this to get the Ooooh so faux-outrage just right to ensure she gets the “Australia’s prime minister Julia Gillard is one badass motherXXXucker.” label. LOL
The only people saying that are loser leftists who read the likes of the vulgar Jezebel site: aka a small portion of Age readers.
Decent and civilised individuals saw a screeching, harping emotional break down before the biggest fuck up and embarrassment in parliament ever.
So I’m sure everyone knows why it is illegal for foreigners to donate the political campaign.
Obama sure does:
I remember during the first election tonnes of people outside of America gleefully saying they were donating via credit card. And the Obama campaign happily accepting their donations.
I only caught highlights of yesterdays disgrace in parliament. Fuck me, politics in this country has hit rock bottom and started to dig, but thats not the point of this comment.
What I noticed from Gillards pathetic rant (badass motherfucker? no, a fatass husbandfucker), was that she is also physically retarded. Not just the huge fat arse, but the way she was trying to point at Abbott. If you can stomach it, have a look – the woman is so fucked up she can’t even point properly – the body position, the fucked up hand and the bent arm – it doesn’t look right.
But now there’s talk of how the screeching rant was scripted and it fits with the deformed point. She was remembering the script and trying to act, but fucked the pointing up. Either that or she needs Stephen Hawkings wheelchair.
That is what normal people see, yet the stenographers report it as a triumphian performance.
Where is the humour?
I simply cannot believe that News Ltd are running almost word for word The Ages borderline insane “truimphal” gillard rant story linking to Jezebel.com calling Gillard a “bad arsed motherfucker”. Then quoting a few unknown UK actors and some shitty overseas blogs.
I mean seriously do they seriously want to link Gillard with that Jezebel.com?? Does a major “serious” news organisation really want to be linking to that fucked up site?
Has the world gone mad?
Does the PM’s office send out these stories and the papers just run them without looking at them?
WYNN: I’ve created about 250,000 direct and indirect jobs according to the state of Nevada’s measurement. If the number is 250,000, that’s exactly 250,000 more than this president, who I’ll be damned if I want to have him lecture me about small business and jobs. I’m a job creator. Guys like me are job creators and we don’t like having a bulls-eye painted on our back.
The president is trying to put himself between me and my employees.
RALSTON: How?
By class warfare, by deprecating and calling a group that makes money ‘billionaires and millionaires who don’t pay their share.’ I gave 120% of my salary and bonus away last year to charities, as I do most years. I can’t stand the idea of being demagogued, that is put down by a president who has never created any jobs and who doesn’t even understand how the economy works.
The end is nigh for her and her little band of traitorous cohorts and she knows it. If she goes and Rudd returns this is also the last chance that the ALP will be able to use the sexism attack so by god they’re going to wring it for all it’s worth.
Which presents an interesting thought…once Gillard’s gone and they no longer have that, what the hell do they have?
trolls, trolls, trolls replied to Mister Ed
Sat 24 Oct 09 (06:53pm)
1735099 only goes around deliberately stirring people up on this blog and Tim Blair’s blog in order to goad people into reactions so he can then go write about how mean everyone is to him on SN1P one of his several blogs.
Don’t give him the pleasure, people. Just ignore him.
ANDREW REPLIES: I MAY SOON HAVE TO BAN HIM FOR TROLLING. I’VE WARNED HIM BEFORE AGAINST RANTING SO VIOLENTLY AND IRRATIONALLY.
No, they’ll keep stealing the coalition’s policies, especially the ones they most denigrate. They will then claim that electing the coalition would make no difference because the liberal’s policies are carbon copies of the labor’s (ie. the liberal’s have stolen labor’s policies, when the reverse will be the reality, oh and don’t mention the debt or deficits).
David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Research Center, says his polling organization will no longer take anymore presidential polls in the states of North Carolina, Virginia and Florida.
“In places like North Carolina, Virginia and Florida, we’ve already painted those red. We’re not polling any of those states again. We’re focusing on the remaining states,” Paleologos announced on FOX News’ “O’Reilly Factor” on Tuesday.
She ranted and raved almost obscenely at Tony Abbott yesterday almost defaming him in Parliament. McTernan then sends out videos around the world about the ‘bad misogynist Abbott.’
“A piece of work” is a very mild retort.
He should be more accurate, hey. The correct term Tony, is “a piece of sh*t”.
When viewed through the Prism Of Confected Outrage™ it’s the exactly the same thing.
Look over there, it’s Tony Abbott standing in front of a sign. No big deal, right.
Now, take a look through the Prism Of Confected Outrage™. He’s a deeply offensive woman hating wall punching misogynist who can’t control his temper around women.
Ads for Mercedes-Benz were being run on the Chris Smith show on 2GB this afternoon.Strange seeing as they announced that they had cancelled all advertising with 2GB.Still car dealers will tell you anything I suppose.
The dictionary defines misogyny as “hatred of women”. It is an ugly word, an ugly accusation and an ugly fact of life. It is now the word that has driven Australian politics to its lowest point in decades. Yesterday, the mask fell away, the curtain dropped, the real driver of the politics of personal abuse was revealed.
After sending out two attack dogs, Gutter and Sewer, to do the dirty work, after hiding behind two political zombies, Insufferable and Unspeakable, to stay in power, after using the Minister for Innuendo and the Compromise-General to play the gender card, the mask has finally dropped away to reveal the driver of the politics of hate in Australia.
The mask fell at exactly 2.42pm in the House of Representatives. Looking on were the member for Gutter, Anthony Albanese, the member for Sewer, Wayne Swan, the Minister for Innuendo, Tanya Plibersek, and the Compromise-General, Nicola Roxon, and the independents who will do anything to avoid facing their electorates, Mr Insufferable, Robert Oakeshott, and his fellow regional zombie, Mr Unspeakable, Tony Windsor.
Someone had to set Gutter and Sewer loose. Someone directed Innuendo and Compromise to play the gender card. Someone paid the bill for Insufferable and Unspeakable. Someone’s authority still rests on the vote of Craig Thomson. And someone had to approve making Peter Slipper the Speaker despite his being manifestly disrespected by either side of the house, a low point of political opportunism.
At 2.42 pm on Tuesday that someone rose to speak. The mask fell away. Julia Gillard came out snarling
SteveC,one might have thought that Mercedes-Benz,if they felt so strongly about being associated with Jones and 2GB,would have requested that ads not be played and simply paid out the remaining few days of the contract period. But we are talking about car dealers so perhaps I’m being a little naive.
Labor to private customers: You’ll use what we tell you to use:
NBN deadline for 25,000 homes and businesses
MORE than 25,000 homes and businesses have been given 18 months to switch over to the federal government’s $37.4 billion National Broadband Network before their telephone and broadband services on the old copper network are switched off for good.
From November 23, some 25,600 homes and premises in 15 suburbs – including Brunswick in Victoria, Kiama in NSW and Townsville in Queensland – will be given 18 months to transfer their internet and home-phone services to NBN-approved service providers.
Lara Logan: 60 Minutes Reporter Openly Blasts Obama For Being Soft on Terrorism
As one nonprofit executive and former magazine editor put it the next day when asked to describe her speech: “Shoot ’em, bomb ’em, fuck ’em. They will kill your children.”
The Taliban and al Qaeda, she made clear, ‘want to destroy the West and us,’ and we must fight fire with fire. She appeared to leave the assembled alternatively riveted and just a bit troubled by a critique with interventionist implications clearly drawn from her reporting.”
“They will kill your children” and their own.
“Malala Yousafzai: Pakistan bullet surgery ‘successful’ ”
Will the collective Left now ostracise Lara for her temerity to state the truth that they do not wish to hear/see.
Sales lets Wong get away with bare faced lies on 7.30.
Wong twice asserted that Abbott has said that women are not fit for high office. He has never said this. Sales didn’t challenge it.
C’mon pathetic lefty trolls. Provide us with evidence that Abbott ever said this. If you can’t then you are agreeing that Labor lies about Abbott and sexism.
Wong twice asserted that Abbott has said that women are not fit for high office. He has never said this. Sales didn’t challenge it.
And it’s going to get worse as their poll numbers fall and the election comes nearer. They’ll ramp it to beyond absurd. It’s an excellent strategy and I hope they keep it up.
After sending out two attack dogs, Gutter and Sewer, to do the dirty work, after hiding behind two political zombies, Insufferable and Unspeakable, to stay in power, after using the Minister for Innuendo and the Compromise-General to play the gender card, the mask has finally dropped away to reveal the driver of the politics of hate in Australia.
The mask fell at exactly 2.42pm in the House of Representatives. Looking on were the member for Gutter, Anthony Albanese, the member for Sewer, Wayne Swan, the Minister for Innuendo, Tanya Plibersek, and the Compromise-General, Nicola Roxon, and the independents who will do anything to avoid facing their electorates, Mr Insufferable, Robert Oakeshott, and his fellow regional zombie, Mr Unspeakable, Tony Windsor.
Someone had to set Gutter and Sewer loose. Someone directed Innuendo and Compromise to play the gender card. Someone paid the bill for Insufferable and Unspeakable. Someone’s authority still rests on the vote of Craig Thomson. And someone had to approve making Peter Slipper the Speaker despite his being manifestly disrespected by either side of the house, a low point of political opportunism.
Instead of directly addressing the issue of a discredited speakership which had become engulfed in an expensive and degrading legal action that did no credit to anyone involved, least of all the Attorney-General, the Prime Minister wasted no timing in using misdirection and personal abuse.
She even invoked the name of dead father: “My father did not die of shame!” she thundered across the dispatch box.
No one in the Parliament ever said he did. Tony Abbott had said exactly the opposite when he spoke of her father.
Why tip a bucket of bilgewater into a fierce wind? Why invoke the accusation of misogyny, hatred of women, against an Opposition Leader whose chief of staff, Peta Credlin, is famously one of the most formidable woman in politics, whose mostly female staff is devoted to their boss and who has raised three daughters?
It is reported that Howard and Abbott are going to attend the Bali 10th Anniversary. I’d suggest to both these two to NOT be on the same platform as the PM – something might happen.
I would be surprised if that thought hasn’t occurred to her, Rousie, but she doesn’t have enough of them. Look at her front bench: 17 males and 3 females. But the interesting thing is all the top positions are filled by women. I mean we have a female PM, a female GG, a female Speaker, a female AG.
For those that have been influenced or appreciated his work, I hear that J. J. C. Smart has died. His Atheism and Theism co-authored with Haldane is one of the classics. R.I.P.
. I mean we have a female PM, a female GG, a female Speaker, a female AG.
And yet all of the ALP hierarchy is run by stereotypical “mysognist” men, she serves at the leisure of these men, she speaks and acts in the manner that her thuggish male Scotish thug tells her to and is constantly on the run from a wee little man who has been waiting in the wings for two years now undermining her while she relys on the vote of arch-misogynist union fund embezzling, whore visiting union bully boy Craig Thompson.
No wonder she’s frustrated and is taking her rage out on the only man that she’s allowed to. Look at the type of men who she is surrounded by and whose bidding she does.
It’s an excellent strategy and I hope they keep it up.
Don’t laugh too hard. Gillard is succeeding in firing up the base. They are hopping mad about Abbott’s sexism, about Abbott channelling Jones, and about the smear campaign against the PM.
Dullard is succeeding in firing up the base. They are hopping mad about Abbott’s sexism, about Abbott channelling Jones, and about the smear campaign against the PM.
She might not get a single extra vote out of this, but she’s raising the temperature and that’s not a laughing matter. Also, this is laying landmines for PM Abbott, by signalling to various interest groups that he is their enemy.
Neither laughing nor chortling. I’m serious. They are digging their own polling grave. This campaign shall backfire on them becuase it is based on lies and people are sick of it.
Don’t laugh too hard. Gillard is succeeding in firing up the base. They are hopping mad about Abbott’s sexism, about Abbott channelling Jones, and about the smear campaign against the PM.
The base of Labor is always fired up. All my life I’ve encountered extremely angry lefties who are driven by hate.
It is harder to keep people focused with noble emotions.
McTernan: ‘There are a lot of myths about political campaigning. Top of these is the idea that negative campaigning never works.’
McTernan has done nothing but create clusterfuck after clusterfuck for Gillard.
He’s only out here because one of his major clusterfucks in the UK nearly ended up with him going to prison thus losing him his promised safe preselected seat and leaving him unemployable by anybody but low level rump politicians in scotland.
And before he was hired by Gillard he was hanging around the backwater arse of the world in SA doing absolutely nothing useful.
The ‘base’ fired up by this is very small: trendy inner city dwellers and the Lake Burley Griffin political pack. It is much harder to win actual hearts and minds in voterville, which is what Abbott is doing.
Lefty trolls: still nothing to say about Wong’s lies?
It’s always the narrowest constituencies that shriek the loudest. The punters have cottoned on. As mentioned previously, it’s been a Labour led education revolution of another kind.
I’ll be happy while ever these regressives keep asking fish what water is like.
They are hopping mad about Abbott’s sexism, about Abbott channelling Jones, and about the smear campaign against the PM.
You know what, Abbott really didn’t to say the government is dying of shame. It is, it’s a shameful monster. However the words were identical to what Jones used and he did disavow them/him.
I think it was unnecessary as there were other ways of describing what an abortion of a government it is..
Don’t laugh too hard. Gillard is succeeding in firing up the base. They are hopping mad about Abbott’s sexism, about Abbott channelling Jones, and about the smear campaign against the PM.
You’re right, they’re also fired up in QLD against Newmann too. It’s not really affecting him though.
They’re a small detached percentage of the population.
They’re the sort slapping their flippers together over oh so clever jezebel.com “arse kicking motherfucker” article, truly vulgar stuff been linked to by oh so clever “witty” office interns in the supposedly “serious” news media. Apparently us suburbanites are supposed to be impressed by it.
The problem is that article on the various sites is attracting about 3/1 negative comments for Gillard.
Yes, a stepping stone back to real important stuff. Real politics like the UK.
Who do you think released the youtube video of the shrieking Gillard verbally bashing Abbott? Who do you think nudged the vid in the direction of the guardian and jezebel.com?
More to the point, why was the video released a couple of hours after the event? “hey world, especially those in the UK, look at my handywork. Got any jobs for me there?”
The ALP fair dinkum locked in Lindsay & Greenway behind Abbott this week, no question.
Bradbury will have to pull out something big to top his McHales Navy act alongside the PM last election. Perhaps a Rambo style invasion of Indo hunting down people smugglers.
Greens leader Christine Milne has accused Opposition Leader Tony Abbott of being a “hyper-masculine” perpetrator of sexism in Parliament, even though she says he doesn’t realise it half the time.
Who do you think released the youtube video of the shrieking Gillard verbally bashing Abbott? Who do you think nudged the vid in the direction of the guardian..
Yes, and thereby saying ‘look at moi’ to the colleagues in the UK. I am sure Gillard and the team have McTernan’s solid support…
JC says
“You know what, Abbott really didn’t to say the government is dying of shame. It is, it’s a shameful monster. However the words were identical to what Jones used and he did disavow them/him.
I think it was unnecessary as there were other ways of describing what an abortion of a government it is..”
Yes there were other ways to say what he wanted to say and this is a major problem area of Abbott’s. There is a streak of underlying aggression there and its one he needs to keep under control. He comes across looking like he agrees with what Alan Jones said and that was socially a pretty horrible remark – enough to get a lot of people angry off because he spoke in an very disrespectful manner about what should have been a personal family affair for Gillard.
There are times when politicians and their agitators / defenders need to put aside politics and show some simple common decency and respect (and leave the topic of a family death well alone) no matter which party to which (and that is exactly what ticked off so many people about Jones comments).
In August, the labor-force participation rate in the U.S. dropped to 63.5%, the lowest since September 1981. By definition, fewer people in the workforce leads to better unemployment numbers. That’s why the unemployment rate dropped to 8.1% in August from 8.3% in July.
Meanwhile, we’re told in the BLS report that in the months of August and September, federal, state and local governments added 602,000 workers to their payrolls, the largest two-month increase in more than 20 years. And the BLS tells us that, overall, 873,000 workers were added in September, the largest one-month increase since 1983, during the booming Reagan recovery.
These three statistics—the labor-force participation rate, the growth in government workers, and overall job growth, all multidecade records achieved over the past two months—have to raise some eyebrows. There were no economists, liberal or conservative, predicting that unemployment in September would drop below 8%.
I know I’m not the only person hearing these numbers and saying, “Really? If all that’s true, why are so many people I know still having such a hard time finding work? Why do I keep hearing about local, state and federal cutbacks?”
I sat through business reviews of a dozen companies last week as part of my work in the private sector, and not one reported better results in the third quarter compared with the second quarter. Several stayed about the same, the rest were down slightly.
The economy is not in a free-fall. Oil and gas are strong, automotive is doing well and we seem to be seeing the beginning of a housing comeback. But I doubt many of us know any businessperson who believes the economy is growing at breakneck speed, as it would have to be for unemployment to drop to 7.8% from 8.3% over the course of two months.
No doubt the usual journalists and Gillard acolytes have hit out at Abbott for his comment in Parliament yesterday that the government was “ethically bankrupt” and should “already have died of shame”.
Naturally Gillard linked this to her late father. How opportunistic of her to again attempt to blame Abbott for something Jones said well over two weeks ago. How blatant the victim card she played trading on her father’s death.
The trouble for Gillard, and all those loyal journalists, is Abbott has already said this before today on a number of occasions in relation to the behaviour of this government:
This is an incompetent and untrustworthy government; it is a divided and directionless government; and, when it comes to border protection, this is a government which should simply have died of shame.
- Hansard, 2 November 2011, under “Business”.
Every single one of those illegally imported guns has got past Customs, and they are getting past Customs because this government has savagely cut Customs funding because it cannot stop the boats.
This is an utterly incompetent and utterly untrustworthy government. It is a government which frankly should have died of shame and should be gone.
- Hansard, 14 March 2012, under “Motions”.
I can understand why he [Chris Bowen] wants to resign. Let me repeat his statement:
… from our point of view, we’ve said … that the regional processing centre would need to be, for the sake of decency, at a country which is a signatory to the Refugee Convention.
No wonder this is a government which is dying of shame.
- Hansard, 20 September 2011, under “Matters of Public Importance”.
So it’s not something Abbott said in reference to Gillard’s late father as Gillard and the media would have us believe.
And by the way, Abbott is correct. The members of the Gillard/Rudd government ought to die of shame for five years of their incompetence, the massive waste of taxpayer’s money on their failed schemes, the many broken promises and their lies.
As for Dot
It would appear on this thread he finds a need to whinge about me quite a lot when Ive gone to bed a long ago and arent even interested in communicating with him (like in bed literally 12 hours ago and Dot is still rambling on with all these things and people and names and professions he thinks in his hallucingenic mind that somehow belong to me.?
Ive heard of fevered imaginations and those who make shit up about other people and situations but Dot really gets a distinction for this
Not only that he has a few friends who hang off every bullshit word he says.
Reality – no wonder they cant predict the outcome of the next election or see what exactly is wrong with the campaign in their own party.
Christ dont hire these people (dot and co) as conservative party “image consultants” or “political media advisers” or even “political campaign analysts”
Dot and friends are useless, unrealistic, uncritical, denialists who are clearly happy to invent their own version of reality.
Id make a better adviser to conservative political campaigning because I can actually see what pisses people off and what doesnt (mainly bevause I dont give a fig about any political party).
Blinded by their own inner musings and not much use at all, are some.
What surprises me is that we have a government that:
has a long-standing allegiance to the idea of policing emotions (particularly hate),
now claims that even secret and un-confessed emotions render one unfit for office; indeed, in this case, Abbott is guilty of not feeling the appropriate emotion strongly enough, having only a passing regard for women rather than whole-hearted adulation;
is attempting to gain legal control of the print media including licensing those newspapers deemed suitable for publication,
and lastly, wants near-monopoly control of telecommunications with a full and secret filter on electronic information.
Why is nobody shitting kittens at this point?
You say this
“Naturally Gillard linked this to her late father”
You know I watched it on TV and actually I distinctly thought Abbot used the word shame to have a dig so I dont think Gillard did link this deliberately. Abbot intended her to link it (his comment was intended to be deliberately provocative) and she was provoked and made the link. Thats where he stuffed up badly.
He had the leading comment which was meant to rile her (and was related to the comments made by Jones about her father) and she turned it back on him.
Bad luck for him. He should have known. Even JC admits it.
Id make a better adviser to conservative political campaigning because I can actually see what pisses people off and what doesnt (mainly bevause I dont give a fig about any political party).
You’re so wonderful Alice, tell us all about that expensive food and milk that you want everybody to have to pay for again.
Did Tony Abbot put the died of shame words in Alan Jones train of thought seeing as Abbot has used them fairly innocuously on a number of occasions in Hansard in the past and given that AJ is such a fervent supporter, maybe he just picked up on TA’s usage and twisted it? You might be right Gab. Its not 100% clear is it?
The government spends a month saying Abbott only gets along with his wife, sisters, daughters because they’re all dumb sluts, and then Abbott has made a mistake for using the word “shame”?
Mistakes have been made, for sure. By the ALP. They are fucked, and their absolute gutter tactics show that they know it.
Their further mistake is that at one time, Australian politics might have been above something like auditing every single Union in Australia just to make a point. No longer.
Alice
tony abbott has been on the receiving end of abuse from swan gillard albanese roxon marr and other journalists for weeks on end now, day in day out all through the media
try to walk in someone elses shoes for a bit you might gain some sensitivity
sfb, it was interesting to hear Joe say “Life is grey, legislation is black and white”. A sentiment that could help some of the less rational posters here.
Yeah right Alice, a self professed Marxian lecturer of economics like you is more in touch with the common man than the various people on this blog with a variety of educations, life experiences and private and public sector work?
You do realise you’re an extremist who follows a 19th century anti semite whose mathematically invalid crank theories of economics lead to the most bloodthirsty tyranny of human history?
Gillard will lose the next election the same way the Austrians lost at Austerlitz. They won’t even see it coming. Gillard has an industrious level of toxicity. She could very well destroy her party. The smug end of days talk Kwyggern talked up about the Liberals comes back to haunt the ALP.
Lets change the subject.
Id like to make a point about an item in todays paper.
A 55k (weight) skinny little policeman by the name of Lim says he tasered that Brazilian guy who died so many times because he knew the Brazilian guy was so much bigger than him and he felt threatened???
What?
What happened to the days when we hired cops precisely because they were big enough to handle crims with a punch themslves and then just throw them in the back of the paddy wagon?
Its utterly ridiculous what you see now with these little tiny female and other cops.
We have lost the plot. Police need to be big and strong so they dont go tasering people to death because they feel the suspect is bigger than them.
It wouldnt have happened decades ago. The cops would have maybe punched someone na couple of times and chucked them in the paddy wagon because they were just as mean.
Something wrong with the recruitment policies of the police force. If they cant handle the heat in the kitchen they sure shouldnt be walking around with a weapon in their hands.
I had forgotten that Hockey was happy to let the ETS go through.
Obviously, the future is Turnbull with Hockey as Deputy.
Those in the party who refuse to believe in AGW and get all their information from Bolt will then need to resign or be exiled to Macquarie Island for rat extermination duties. It’ll warm up eventually.
The IT crowd is a fabulously hilarious show. The Aunt Irma episode (the last of series 1) is side splitting, while the first episode of series two at the gay theatre was absolutely awesome, paying out on gay and disabled politics. And the episode where the CEO died. One for the smokers.
Oh, and anything with the former executive/goth Richmond in it.
Okay, I’ve got to defend the removal of the urinals, but only on the grounds that it must be really, REALLY disconcerting for most men on this planet to go to the toilet and find themselves pissing into the likeness of a human mouth. Of either gender.
Sure, I know there are people who are into that sort of thing, both as givers and receivers, but it is not most human beings’ cup of… whatever. There were far more solid and general grounds (plain old bad taste) on which to demand their removal.
about the reporting that ‘the Gillard misogyny speech went viral’ I can’t find any evidence of that statement, if you google Gillard news the only reporting of virality comes from the Aust media, where’s the reporting by the overseas media? Huh
The New Yorker reported on it as ‘great fun’ http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/10/julia-gillards-misogyny-speech.html#ixzz28r88kvOf%20
there are a few comments both for and against, here is one funny one Ms Gillard and her government are desperately seeking distractions to the fact that they hang onto government by a thread. Mr Abbott is not a misogynist but she and her pathetic fellows are clutching at straws. I understand her speech has “gone viral” and someone asked could they borrow her in the U.S. A resounding ‘YES’ to that. As long as you don’t give her back!!!! She is an embarrassment.
there’s a few other links in the Oz article but seems to be a very small pond in the global sense, so I don’t see that it had a global impact
Whereas the Presidential debate, well that did go viral and global but Gillard is not in that sphere in my view
Hockey didn’t seem to share much ground with Abbott. Shadow cabinet meetings could be fun! His line about “why do we lock up refugees” when he was acting minister for everything was also revealing. The weirdest part of the show was Brendan Nelson’s standard of accomodation when he was defence minister. What the hell was he spending his minister’s salary on?
Something wrong with the recruitment policies of the police force. If they cant handle the heat in the kitchen they sure shouldnt be walking around with a weapon in their hands.
Sure Steve, the thought will make me feel good as I survey my electricty bill that is nearly 75% higher than any former bill, due to a combination of a carbon tax that wont do anything for the environment and the bloody cold winter forcing us to use the heater nearly every day.
And I am sure it will make me feel better about the temperatures next friday, saturday and Sunday when I take the kiddies camping. Friday: 11-23, Saturday, 10-25; Sunday 11-25. In mid October! FFS.
Oh Fuckme – here is the idiot Dot.
Goodnight Dot. Its my bedtime.
(tonight in Dots fevered mind Im a Marxian lecturer. Yesterday I was an abortion nurse. Before that I was a fraud for claiming I was once a nurse – not not an abortion nurse. I wonder what I will be tomorrow in the land of Dot??)
Make it interesting at least Dot? Id like a new career but not one like yours
ie a poor econ phd student on the dole with a febrile imagination who spends more time blogging that studying his econ.
People know less and less about business, work, tax, and investment the longer they spend engaged in those activities.
Eventually, you get to people who worked for years, then started their own business and worked even harder, and finally have some coin to invest.
They of course have the opposite of knowledge; everything they say is totally inverse to the truth as rightly understood. Indeed, they do not even understand their own privileged history of being born into wealth! Many of them claim to be from the working class or the children of impoverished soldier-settlers! Absurd!!!
What happened to the days when we hired cops precisely because they were big enough to handle crims with a punch themslves and then just throw them in the back of the paddy wagon?
Alice they got rid of those requirements because they were Sexist, they prevented ladies from entering the front line police force.
Seriously, you damn Abbott but your own comments above would have you damned by the Gillardian sisterhood as a self hating “not real” woman yourself.
Bet there’s clamouring among the homosexual bars in Sydney to get hold of them!
Speaking of homosexuals, I expect pwong and the lying Slapper’s screechy duet in full throated shrieky wail mode over the blatant misogyny of the male homosexuals know as the ‘sisters’ of perpetual… erm sodomy , nope that’s not it, freckle punching no, still not right… dung beetlitude, nope, still not right,indulgence. That’s it.
Dot
Define and explain – heteronormative. Thats a very big word for you to be using this time of night expecially since I share the concerns of a few in here that you dont know the difference between “imply” and “infer”.
I hope you have you MQ dictionary with you. I wouldnt want you to feel uncomfotable with the choice of too big a word.
Now goodnight Dot. Its always lovely to argue with you – I quite enjoy it (and I will for the next ten years!)
Because those who find all these things repugnant (as you and I do) have already shat every juvenile feline from house-cat to lion – and having done so ever since Rudd and Conroy first said ‘clean feed’, there ain’t nothing more to shit.
And those who hope to make full and free use of these obscenities aren’t shitting kittens because they’re ejaculating them with squeals of fascistic glee every time the government finds a new excuse to clamp down on free expression in the name of “good manners”.
Twostix
You say
“Alice they got rid of those requirements because they were Sexist, they prevented ladies from entering the front line police force.
Seriously, you damn Abbott but your own comments above would have you damned by the Gillardian sisterhood as a self hating “not real” woman yourself.”
Who smade it a rule that I have to agree with every policy in one party or the other??. I dont feel obliged to agree with all policy in party lines at all. I agree with ideas not parties.
I am a swinging voter. I am not rusted on to anyone or any party in politics.
So poor old Dot calls me a Marxist loudly because he cant work out what I am and screaming “marxist” is safer yto Dot.
If he really knew me he might also call me an agrarian socialist or a pro protectionist and a pro public transport services but not pro other public services oh and anti edication expenses like hecs debts on our young but Im all for hiring tough male cops rather than putting weapons in the hands of girls or skinny males who wont cut it under pressure dealing with criminals.
Its intellectually weak to let youself be totally defined by your political allegiances. Its like saying
“Ill just join up and I dont have to worry about thinking myself and whatever they think I’ll think??”
I am a swinging voter. I am not rusted on to anyone or any party in politics.
So poor old Dot calls me a Marxist loudly because he cant work out what I am and screaming “marxist” is safer yto Dot.
I don’t care what you are, I’m just pointing it out to you that it’s pretty stupid to “swing” to a party who damns you as a Misogynist – it’s worst crime.
about the reporting that ‘the Gillard misogyny speech went viral’ I can’t find any evidence of that statement, if you google Gillard news the only reporting of virality comes from the Aust media, where’s the reporting by the overseas media? Huh
Good point, the entire “story” in the Australian media is hitched on the porno site “jezebel.com” then contains a mishmash of unknown twitterers, a couple of unkown blogs and that is all.
Completely fabricated.
The papers are working overtime to kowtow to Gillard. Now why would that be? Oh look Gillard and Conroy trotted out the old media regulation meme last week.
They’re nothing if not absolute cowards are our MSM.
THE officer whose Taser brought Brazilian student Roberto Laudisio Curti crashing to the ground as he fled police admitted yesterday he used the weapon on him again after he had been handcuffed.
Senior Constable Eric Lim repeatedly told an inquest into the 21-year-old’s death that he saw the student try to “shake” officers away as they restrained him.
But, questioned by Peter Hamill SC, representing Mr Curti’s family, he agreed images clearly showed the man had his hands secured in front of him when he stunned him a second time, about 40 seconds after the first burst.
“I didn’t notice that he was handcuffed when I Tasered him,” Constable Lim said.
Aren’t collusion and perjury criminal offences?
Five officers at the scene said they didn’t remember seeing Constable Barling, or any other officer, repeatedly “zapping” Mr Curti.
“I don’t know if some witnesses think that coroners are stupid,” [Coroner] Ms Jerram said after one constable’s evidence.
Police were this morning due to lock down the commemoration venue, a cultural park at Jimbaran, where Ms Gillard and Tony Abbott will join about 1500 Australian survivors, families and friends paying their respects to victims of the October 12, 2002, terrorist horror.
the Leader of the Opposition, who is now looking at his watch because, apparently, a woman has spoken for too long. </blockquote
Something about that has been nagging at me, apart from the childishness of the comment. I've realised it's a snarly comment that gets thrown at someone when the speaker feels she is not being listened to or not being paid enough attention. Like when a wife and husband [look up these terms if you don't recognise them] are in full argument. "You're not listening to me" she says to him. [Meaning, mostly, you don't agree with me]. Ah, the frustration.
How to engineer a debate win after the Obama humiliaton with Romney:
President Barack Obama was a guest at the 1991 wedding of ABC senior foreign correspondent and vice presidential debate moderator Martha Raddatz, The Daily Caller has learned. Obama and groom Julius Genachowski, whom Obama would later tap to head the Federal Communications Commission, were Harvard Law School classmates at the time and members of the Harvard Law Review.
Hey people – I’m currently in the land of the free and I was explaining the current mess that is parliament to someone in a coffee shop. I then look up and find that CNN is running a clip of Tony and Julia tearing into each other in parliament. I have never, ever seen the inside of the Australian parliament shown outside Australia. Something very odd is going in.
Hi BRC, Gillard made a titanic error which the knee-padding Stenographers are trying to spin as a triumph for her.
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OMG I heard John Howard interviewed by AJ this morning.
I can’t explain the joy to hear an adult speak. He was talking about the 10th anniversary of the Bali bombing.
It is such a contrast to the juvenile antics of the screaching harpy & the children in government. Thank goodness the Howard government was able to sort out the trouble in Indo before handing it over this mob.
Today’s congressional hearing on the Sep. 11, 2012 attacks across the Middle East, that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans in Benghazi, have destroyed the Obama administration’s lies about the event. There was not enough security in Benghazi, despite repeated requests; there was no preparation for the attacks, despite intelligence and warning signs; and the assault in Libya had nothing to do with an anti-Islamic video, as President Barack Obama and his appointees had claimed for weeks.
Not very exciting but Bad news on electric cars from Jo Nova.
Thanks Rafe. Dead Soul posted that on Saturday and I noted the findings.
Whenever you guys get into one of the AGW threads of death I keep trying to raise points like this.
That study picks upon on the fact that due to the current technology there is virtually 2nd hand market for electric cars (i.e. Life of Electric cars is around 100k).
Fact is that those things are a hazard to the environment. Add to that, if we all were driving one what would be the extra base load power required?
Fauxcahontas has foot in mouth again.
She claims she set up a trust fund for the poor breast implant victims, whereas in fact she was acting on behalf of her client Dow Chemical when it was denying any liability for problems. Sprung again by Legal Insurrection.
Tokes, nothing a few million more windmills wouldn’t be able to fix…
They are an extremely effective way of removing birds of prey & bats from a local ecosystem.
I do wonder if they plan to set some up in the botanical gardens in Brisbane & Melbourne to deal with the fruitbats which are destroying the parks in a “humane and sustainable way”.
“I very much intend to win this election,” the Associated Press quotes Barack Obama as saying at a San Francisco fundraiser last night. “But we’re only going to do it if everybody is almost obsessive for the next 29 days.”
Do we ever have bad news for Obama: He’s even lost Andrew Sullivan, the most obsessive Obama-lover in the known universe.
It’s good news for Sullivan, we suppose. It’s been a long time since anybody paid attention to him, but his post last night, titled “Did Obama Just Throw the Entire Election Away?,” has people buzzing. “The Pew poll is devastating, just devastating,” Sullivan moans, citing a survey that is almost as excitable as himself. “Before the debate, Obama had a 51-43 lead; now, Romney has a 49-45 lead. . . . Seriously: has that kind of swing ever happened this late in a campaign? Has any candidate lost 18 points among women voters in one night ever? And we are told that when Obama left the stage that night, he was feeling good. That’s terrifying.”
Terrifying that somebody who lacks basic interpersonal skills has been in charge of American foreign policy for the past four years? No, to Sullivan, terrifying that he may not be for the next four.
It’s turning into a rabbit chase which if not contained will soon turn into a mauling:
Heraldsun
ONE thing has become clear in the aftermath of the Peter Slipper affair – Australia cannot endure another 12 months with a dysfunctional Parliament.
AFR
Desperate to cling to power, Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s minority government is bringing out the worst of Australia’s political culture rather than the best
AFR
Attorney-General Nicola Roxon last night refused to say when she learned of the contents of the text messages, which cost Mr Slipper his job.
And in the Age the Wilson scandal boiled up again.
It just needs a little nudge in the right direction and it’ll be a full on gallop to the end.
I like the way they play the “pox on both thier houses” trick:
“Both sides of politics have been guilty of bad behaviour” says the AFR.
But then only have a long, long list of ALP “bad behaviour”. They can’t actually point to anything much that the Coalition have done.
How would the list be?
Bad Liberal Behaviour:
Tony Abbot’s “Negativity”
Bad ALP Behaviour:
Drowning 1000 people
Starting a race riot
Silencing two journalists
Intimidating the media
Debasing Parliament
Corrupting a tender process
Corrupting the public service
LIBERAL frontbencher Mathias Cormann has admitted he made a mistake in sending a letter to Craig Thomson, asking the suspended Labor MP to support the coalition in parliament.
The request was at odds with the stance of Opposition Leader Tony Abbott who has said the coalition will not accept Mr Thomson’s vote in parliament.
“It was my mistake,” Senator Cormann told ABC Radio on Thursday.
“I should never have written to him.”
Mr Thomson’s name would be taken off a database of crossbench MPs used by his office, Senator Cormann said.
Prime Minister Julia Gillard said Mr Abbott had his team “out there canvassing” for Mr Thomson’s vote.
Opposition health spokesman Peter Dutton this morning called on Ms Roxon to front parliament to explain why she sought financial backing from the company.
Interrupting parliamentary proceedings, Mr Dutton said Ms Roxon’s requests for funding were “a far cry” from the minister’s public condemnation of political donations from big tobacco.
“It’s a clear example of double standards,” she [Gillard] told reporters in Canberra.
Amazingly, we seem to have replaced one towering megalomaniac as Foreign Minister, with another Super Ego wanting to run everything on the world stage – except what is going on in our immediate region:
The problem – well known – look at any news service.
The solution:
Hence the plan I ( Super Bob )put to senior UN officials last week
First, all sides to the conflict must agree to stop targeting medical personnel and health facilities.
Second, a neutral third party such as a non-government organisation should monitor implementation of this agreement.
Third, more humanitarian aid. Last week I announced a further $4 million in emergency medical and food aid for Syria, bringing our total contribution to $24.5m. That makes Australia the third largest national donor.
And a lot more about Bob hobnobbing with clueless UN officials hanging out for more of his insights.
Plus – while some of the wealthiest nations in the world are arming up the Syrian factions to the teeth, Australia is pouring in money for medicine and food – to who ? Where is the money going and how is it being distributed ?
Memo to Bob – march to the sound of the guns. Get out of New York and in to Aleppo and then get back to us on how ‘getting everyone to stop blazing away in every direction’ is working out ?
Breaking news from ABC: a senior State Department official, apparently trying to get bad news out in anticipation of a Congressional hearing tomorrow, has started to come clean on the Benghazi consulate attack. He admitted to ABC that there never was a protest at the consulate, as the Obama administration has always claimed. Rather, the first warning those inside the consulate had that something was wrong was an explosion. They looked out and saw a large number of armed men approaching. It was a terrorist attack, pure and simple, well-planned and well-executed. It had nothing to do with a YouTube video. One thing authorities apparently still don’t know is what happened to Ambassador Stevens. That is what they are saying, anyway
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows Mitt Romney attracting support from 48% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 47%. One percent (1%) prefers some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided.
Eight percent (8%) of Republicans and unaffiliated voters currently are undecided or plan to vote for some other candidate. Only two percent (2%) of Democrats are uncommitted to one of the major party candidates….
We have reached the point in the campaign where media reports of some polls suggest wild, short-term swings in voter preferences. That doesn’t happen in the real world. A more realistic assessment shows that the race has remained stable and very close for months. Since last week’s debate, the numbers have shifted somewhat in Romney’s direction, but even that change has been fairly modest. Still, in a close race, a modest change can have a major impact. Over the past 100 days of tracking, Romney and Obama have been within two points of each other 72 times. Additionally, on 89 of those 100 days, the candidates have been within three points of each other.
The NT Times continues to run propaganda cover for Obama on Libya, even though it is now blatantly obvious there was no demostration at the Benghazi consulate over the YouTube video. It was an all-out terrorist assault as statements to Congress by US government security agents make clear. Yet the NYT characterises the congressional hearings as a partisan squabble.
Because the liberal media refuses to report the real story, there will be another shock to the US public tomorrow morning AEST when Paul Ryan challenges Joe Biden about the cover-up by Obama on Libya. This means that, while the vice-presidential should have almost zero impact on the campaign, it will end up gifting one or two more percentage points of support to Romney-Ryan.
Michelle Malkin red hot with Sean Hannity on Fox just now about the Obama administration’s lies on Libya (worth watching a replay later). This is what happens when the pissant incompetence of a leftwing farce like Australia’s gets taken onto Broadway. Obama is going down big-time.
Is Abbott dishonest, innumerate, illiterate or just gullible?
He followed up with a supplementary question: “With an $800 increase in just one bill of which 70 per cent is due to the carbon tax, how can the Prime Minister possibly claim that Hetty Verolme’s compensation is in any way adequate?”
Labor challenged Mr Abbott to table the bill in Parliament so it could verify Mr Abbott’s claims, meaning it has now been made publicly available.
An electricity consumption graph on the side of the bill shows that most of the increase was due to a dramatic increase in power usage at Mrs Verolme’s home.
It also includes a note saying that electricity prices had increased on July 1 by 2.255 cents per unit because of the carbon tax, which “represents an estimated increase of 9.13 per cent for an average daily usage of 15.89 units”.
I am not on the dole and I never have been. I pay my own way.
You seem to be a little embarrassed that you glorify Marx but are unaware of his anti semitic tendencies or that his central criticism of capitalism was destroyed by mathematical economics in the 1960s.
I’d like to know exactly why you were going to sue me before Alice, on what grounds. I’m just happy we get along now.
Alice, maybe you can explain why you think the public sector is just as efficient as the private sector. From the following article from the Australian Financial Review
Yes, minister, you can crank up the public service
PUBLISHED: 15 JUN 2012 00:03:19 | UPDATED: 15 JUN 2012 03:41:09
GARY STURGESS
Australia’s public service sector is larger than the mining and manufacturing sectors combined. Including public, private and not-for-profit providers, it accounts for 15 per cent to 20 per cent of the national economy and around a quarter of the nation’s workforce.
It is simply mathematically impossible that the public sector is equally or more efficient than the private sector.
The private sector is more efficient than public sector. It would be a great disservice to yourself to continue to deny this fact.
You’re a very busy boy today for a government spin doctor, Dogshit’s Best Friend. Are you sure you can handle the extra workload of keeping the Cat under control?
“Yes candy, it’s quite obviously not true. What did Gillard actually say?”
SteveC, She told the Parliament he was a misogynist, which means he hates women (accordinging to the Oxford dictionary),
therefore he hates his wife and daughters.
Steve are you seriously trying to make an argument in favour of paternalism because the Government has crowded out student loans? Paternalism justifies paternalism – even when the critics object to inefficiency etc?
You cannot honestly make the argument that a HECS debt is welfare since you have supported the positive externality argument in favour of publicly funded education.
BTW I do have a HECS debt but I have paid that off in part and I paid for part of my honours and Ph D upfront. The only person paying off the remainder of the HECS debt is me.
Since you are so interested in public economics, do you object to what Gary Sturgess said like Alice does? Do you think the private sector is no more efficient than the public sector. See Sturgess’ AFR article from 15 June this year.
OK Myrrdin Seren at 10.09, what’s your plan when you become Minister for Foreign Affairs?
I don’t know about MS, but I know if I was in the job I’d forget games as the world (& especially Syria and its patron Russia) could not cear less what Australia thinks about the Middle East.
Rather, I’d focusing on repairing the relationship with Indonesia, giving proper attention to Japan and India & SE Asia, and managing the China relationship.
Finally work with the Pacific micro nations.
That is enough for 3 years of work as there is so much damage to repair after the endless blunders during the Rudd/Smith/Carr years..
“Yes candy, it’s quite obviously not true. What did Gillard actually say?”
SteveC, She told the Parliament he was a misogynist, which means he hates women (accordinging to the Oxford dictionary),
therefore he hates his wife and daughters.
I find that hard to believe.
It is clear Candy understands so much more than you do SteveC.
“This represents an estimated increase of 9.13 per cent for an average daily usage of 15.89 units”.”
It’s troubling not just with these increases in electricity but with the unemployment rising and people finding it difficult to get full time hours, or as many hours as they need. And the price of groceries always rising!
I wonder whether we’re heading for a recession, there’a a bad feel about things
You are being dishonest about what I just said. If RTS funding is “welfare” then so are public servant salaries. RTS students sign a contract to do research and they may be subject to a collateral contract to do extra research or teaching.
Apprenticeships get Federal subsidies too and TAFE is more heavily subsidised than universities on the basis of user pays. Do you actually believe trades apprentices are on welfare simply because the Government crowds people out of service provision?
Why am I to believe you are schoolteacher (you’ve said as much before) when you spend an equal amount of time here as I do and you lecture me about infer/imply but you cannot tell few/several apart? You can’t give the kiddies quiet reading time all the time, day in, day out.
Your beliefs are nonsense.
Now please justify your implicit belief that the public sector is more efficient than the private sector.
Yes, minister, you can crank up the public service
PUBLISHED: 15 JUN 2012 00:03:19 | UPDATED: 15 JUN 2012 03:41:09
GARY STURGESS
Australia’s public service sector is larger than the mining and manufacturing sectors combined. Including public, private and not-for-profit providers, it accounts for 15 per cent to 20 per cent of the national economy and around a quarter of the nation’s workforce.
It is simply mathematically impossible that the public sector is equally or more efficient than the private sector.
The private sector is more efficient than public sector. It would be a great disservice to yourself to continue to deny this fact.
That is why of course I ignore your silly arguments about tax paying libertarians using publicly owned assets they are part owners thereof.
If you are sick and tired of seeing politicians and others playing the race card, or if you are just disgusted with the grossly dishonest way racial issues in general are portrayed, then you should get a copy of Ann Coulter’s new book, Mugged. Its subtitle is: “Racial Demagoguery from the Seventies to Obama.”
Back in those days, opposing the Ku Klux Klan meant putting your life, and the lives of your family members, at risk. The FBI had to guard Pickering and his family. Later, Pickering went on to become a federal judge and, in 2001, President George W. Bush nominated him for promotion to the Circuit Court of Appeals.
As a Republican judge, Pickering was opposed by elite liberal Democrats in Congress and in the media who, in Coulter’s words, “sent their children to 99-percent white private schools” while “Pickering sent his kids to overwhelmingly black Mississippi public schools.”
Among the charges against Pickering was that he was bad on civil-rights issues. Older black leaders in Mississippi, who had known Pickering for years, sprang to his defense. But who cared what they said? Pickering’s nomination was defeated on a smear.
I’m sure Lefties like SteveC will not read the Sowell article or do deeper reading into the true histroy of race relations in America because the ABC in Aus has spent years projecting Ann Coulter as an extremist demon.
And so the inevitable happens, Abbott knew he just had to bide his time and be patient. After weeks of the ALP, the party of unions full to the brim with 1950′s throwback men and their whoring, stripper enjoying ways sickeningly calling Abbott sexist Nemesis finally made it over to Australia.
TREASURER Wayne Swan was still present when a joke was made about Opposition Leader Tony Abbott’s female Chief of Staff Peta Credlin and made a speech after the comedian’s performance.
A distasteful and offensive joke about Ms Credlin was made at a Labor union dinner last night attended by Julia Gillard and senior Cabinet Ministers.
The joke delivered by a comedian known as Fair Go For Billionaires, hired by the Construction Forestry Mining an Energy Union contained lewd and offensive references to Ms Credlin. Offensive remarks were also made about Mr Abbott.
The joke delivered by a comedian known as Fair Go For Billionaires, hired by the Construction Forestry Mining an Energy Union contained lewd and offensive references to Ms Credlin.
Transcript please… if it’s good enough to expose Alan Jones it’s good enough for the union boys.
Swan gave a speech after the comments were made without apology or reservation. This sinks the left’s arguement that Abbott was guilty of agreeing with the protest signs at the carbon tax rally simply because he was standing near offending signs. Swan should have cancelled his speech in protest.
Labor’s “high moral ground” is about as high as the Mariana trench.
The publication of a photograph of university students at an official college function dressed up to look like “traditional” Aboriginal people, with their faces and limbs painted brown, has forced an internal investigation and rapid re-education program.
The eight female students from the co-educational Cromwell College within the University of Queensland were depicted in the photo – taken last Tuesday – with wild hair, holding sticks and wearing material fashioned into makeshift loin cloths.
The photo made its way on to online social networking sites and quickly raised the ire of a number of indigenous Australians from around the country.
One source says:According to another source a “silence” descended over the room when the joke was made.
Another says: a comedian made a reference to Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and his chief of staff, Peta Credlin, that drew a laugh from the crowd
So many lies.
Will there be any stenographers wanting to get to the bottom of this and blow the lid of Labor’s hypocrisy and scripted, directed theatre for the last few weeks?
Death of newspapers update: Fairfax rushes into print/online with the latest Labor talking point from a Labor public service hack delivered by climate zombie David Wroe. Taxes are good for you doncha know:
The consumer watchdog says price rises blamed on the carbon tax have sparked fewer complaints than it feared, so much so as to brand it ”an increasingly boring topic these days”.
Australian Competition and Consumer Commission chairman Rod Sims told a conference of the Australian Food and Grocery Council in Canberra this morning that his organisation had found the first 100 days of the carbon price ”fairly quiet”.
”I think the number of complaints we’ve had and the activity we’ve had to undertake is probably quite at the low end of what either we expected or we feared.”
But the watchdog has swooped on some misleading claims by businesses who falsely attribute price rises to the scheme. These have included a Queensland regional doctors’ practice that raised its charge for sending a fax and a NSW flying school that hiked its tuition fees – both because of the carbon price.
Of course the air tax has nothing to do with the higher unemployment rate, which is also a good thing:
Australia’s unemployment rate rose to 5.4 per cent in September with more people looking for work as softness in the national economy began flowing through to the jobs market.
But while the headline number shows a big jump in joblessness, the news is not all bad. The economy actually added 14,500 jobs for the month.
It’s a miracle these clowns are still being paid; ASIC should be investigating this defrauding of shareholders.
The consumer watchdog says price rises blamed on the carbon tax have sparked fewer complaints than it feared, so much so as to brand it ”an increasingly boring topic these days”.
The mornons in the government bubble will continue to lie their heads off, but it won’t work.
Read Candy’s comment at 12:19pm. That is what people are seeing around them – is happening to their children. People are seeing prices rise.
If the $AUD slides in the coming months and petrol prices rise as a result the screams from the puplic won’t be able to be drowned out.
‘The Biggest Breakthrough in Depression Research’ in 50 Years Is … Ketamine?
The effects seen with ketamine suggest that the common explanations for depression — that it’s caused by a “chemical imbalance” in the brain, or by low levels of serotonin — may not be what’s really causing the disorder after all.
Instead, the studies reviewed here support a different theory, one which suggests that depression is the result of damage to the brain cells responsible for controlling mood. In mice, at least, this atrophy of neurons occurred in response to stress. Although the reasons for why stress causes this to happen are unclear, the weakening of synaptic connections appears to be at the root of depression and other stress-related disorders.
SSRIs are intended to increase brain levels of serotonin, but they do also, eventually, restore neurons. Ketamine is able to repair these synaptic connections in mice with near-miraculous speed.
Will there be any stenographers wanting to get to the bottom of this and blow the lid of Labor’s hypocrisy and scripted, directed theatre for the last few weeks?
Forget reporters – we need a couple of plants within the union movement armed with audio recorders. Imagine the material you’d get.
Though it would be a dangerous job if you got caught.
Forget reporters – we need a couple of plants within the union movement armed with audio recorders. Imagine the material you’d get.
Though it would be a dangerous job if you got caught.
Indeed. Now that we know the hidden recording device laws aren’t applied we should start sneaking video cameras into every ALP function.
that it’s caused by a “chemical imbalance” in the brain, or by low levels of serotonin — may not be what’s really causing the disorder after all.
That was always wrong Fleeced but people wouldn’t let it go. As far back as 2003 there was a wonderful review article: Cytokines and Depression: the need for a new paradigm(close to that, archives not loaded-cytokines are immunological messengers). Psychiatry focused far too much on serotonin and nore(amines). Ketamine is an “NMDA antagonist” – put quickly – it inhibits uptake of the primary excitatory neurotrans glutamate through a large receptor family. The timeframe matches that for ECT and BDNF(growth factor) approaches. Oddly enough, one would think that blocking NMDA transmission should decrease connectivity. The result is intriguing, I don’t have a clue but I suspect it may relate to ADNF(another growth factor).
It has long been known that depression decreases connectivity but ironically also increases activity in an area much affected by depression – the hippocampus, whilst decreasing function in the frontal lobes. Restoration is marked by decreased hippocampal activity and increased frontal lobe function. Or so it seems. Very important to remember that there no consistent explanation or neurophysiology to explain depression or schizophrenia or the whole bloody lot.
A psychiatrist in France advised me ketamine is too dangerous, too easy to induce psychosis. That they are going down this road shows how desperate drug based remedies are becoming.
BTW: me too completely flummoxed by that South Park episode on Honey Boo Boo!
That was always wrong Fleeced but people wouldn’t let it go.
I suspected it might be… media articles like this are usually 10 years behind, but I found it interesting.
BTW: me too completely flummoxed by that South Park episode on Honey Boo Boo!
I stopped the ep half way through to look it up on youtube, so I could see what they were talking about (aint technology grand?), and couldn’t believe it.
Incredible. Is this the usual procedure for lawyers? Do they lie about witnessing signatures? Is this unlawful?
Wilson wants to buy a house in Melbourne but doesn’t want his own name on the title deed.
Wilson signs a contract to buy 51 Kerr Street Fitzroy, but decides it should be in Ralph’s name. The date is 13 February, 1993.
Wilson flies to Perth on or about 15 February, 1993. He carries a Specific Power of Attorney document drafted by Julia Gillard of Slater and Gordon.
Wilson gets Blewitt to sign the document in Perth on or about 16 February, 1993.
Gillard signs the document that says she witnessed Blewitt sign it on 4 February, 1993.
Now Blewitt tells all, it was backdated and Gillard wasn’t there.
Ralph Blewitt has confirmed that he did not sign the Power of Attorney in front of Julia Gillard. He recalls signing it in Western Australia after it was produced by Bruce Wilson. Julia Gillard was not present and did not see Ralph Blewitt sign the document.
It’s probably misogynistic of me to say that I would find great pleasure in seeing Gillard hauled out of Parliament in handcuffs.
While you might hope for such a sight, Williamson was allowed to present himself at a police station for arrest by appointment. Gillard would receive the same courtesy if it came to that.
My preferred fantasy would be to see Gillard return to Parliament after the next election, along with the remains of the labor “team” that, while not able to fit into a Tarago, would be happily accommodated on a Coaster.
Coma. Reminds me of near-death experiences being explained away as a function of various chemicasl being released in the brain at the time.
Yeah Gab one could explain by reference to the way sugar is metabolised in the brain, that brains have their reserve oxygen supply. I don’t believe any of those explanations.
I can understand the reasoning behind those explanations, Dear Soul [can’t bring myself to refer to you by your current name, sorry). It’s scientific, it’s neat and for all we know that is exactly what happens to the physical body at the time. Very interesting and for me doesn’t in any way negate the experience as described by others in their unconscious state. There is life after what we call death, is my belief. (I just don’t know what the point of here is anymore but that’s another story).
I know of a contested Will, where two legal secretaries were called in to witness the signature, and as the guy was signing, one secretary was distracted and briefly exited the office, and subsequently admitted under legal challenge, that she did not see the signature being made on the paper. The Will was successfully contested due to this technicality. So yes, if someone sends a document from the other side of Australia for your signature and it requires a witness, then the witness has to be on hand and watching.
Cruise is right like a broken clock and dumber than a sundial.
GAB,
I have no convictions either way. There is a logical error in arguing that all behavior is mediated by the body. It is this: we don’t have a strong model of behavior ipso facto we cannot know.
Before my experience these ideas were abstractions. Today they are realities. Not only is the universe defined by unity, it is also—I now know—defined by love. The universe as I experienced it in my coma is—I have come to see with both shock and joy—the same one that both Einstein and Jesus were speaking of in their (very) different ways.
reminds me of:
“Our presence here (in space), outside the domain of the home planet, was not rooted in an accident of nature or in the capricious political whim of a technological civilization. It was rather an extension of the same universal process that evolved our molecules. And what I felt was an extraordinary personal connectedness with it. I experienced what has been described as an ecstasy of unity. I not only SAW the connectedness, I FELT it and experienced it sentiently. I was overwhelmed with the sensation of physically and mentally extending out into the cosmos.”
The Way of the Explorer, An Apollo Astronaut’s Journey Through the Material and Mystical Worlds (Dr. Edgar Mitchell, with Dwight Williams)
I was overwhelmed with the sensation of physically and mentally extending out into the cosmos
Schiller argued that the body does not produce consciousness but rather constrains it. Meditation and mystical experiences often report like the above quote. So it aint death.
DOT
There is an underlying assumption in the neurosurgeon’s argument: that consciousness arises in the neocortex. That’s problematic to say the least, many aim lower, even down to the brainstem reticular activating system. However it is a huge reach to presuppose that the RAC can produce the experiences he reported.
The other big problem is the assumption that MRI measures all brain activity. It doesn’t, it probably only measures more heightened brain activity. So it is wrong to presume on the basis of an MRI that he was brain dead. As some tragic examples of locked in patients who were purportedly brain dead but very much conscious reveals, we need to be very careful about interpreting MRI.
Yes I am arguing both ways. I don’t like but I am condemned to it because given a lack of evidence I have to explore.
But why are near death experiences remarkably the same?
I know, and so are mystical experiences across the globe and these experiences do mirror near death experiences. Buddhist thinking mirrors these ideas also and that might help explain why Bohr chose the Yin and Yang symbol for his coat of arms, why neuroscientists and physicists have a soft spot for Buddhism, why Freeman Dyson and Einstein clearly entertained a god concept, as did Jung, why the anthropic principle still holds sway in some quarters.
It is one reason why I get really pissed off with people like Dawkins, claiming some scientific mantle when the lying fucker should know better. I’ve had premonitions, predictive dreams, only a few, but I’ve known many people who have had experiences that defy our understanding. And then shit for brains Dawkins might argue it is just a co-incidence. Labelng something as a co-incidence explains nothing!!!
The weather bureau in Adelaide said the last reports of snowfall in the Adelaide and neighbouring Mount Lofty Ranges region in October were a century ago.
This is terrifying. We need immediate national legislation banning climate variability.
I’m actually looking forward to my death journey. I don’t want to get there any sooner than I need to but the experience is going to be rather interesting in my opinion.
So far as the material and immaterial aspects of mind are concerned, surely, there have to be some aspects of it that require a physical body (sense experience) while there are other aspects that do not (ratio and intellect). What the later will be like without the former is an interesting thought.
Oh, and to add another book to that list of yours, Gab, try Nagel’s new Mind and Cosmos, an overview of which can be found here.
Any other Cats watch Question Time this afternoon?
What happened with Julie Bishop’s motion to require a 15 minute statement from Roxon on when she knew about Slipper’s texts and whether anyone else in tghe government was told about them.
Did Albanese succeed with his second gag attempt or did Gillard use the death of the trainee soldier to finally gag the motion?
There is an underlying assumption in the neurosurgeon’s argument: that consciousness arises in the neocortex. That’s problematic to say the least, many aim lower, even down to the brainstem reticular activating system. However it is a huge reach to presuppose that the RAC can produce the experiences he reported.
The other big problem is the assumption that MRI measures all brain activity. It doesn’t, it probably only measures more heightened brain activity. So it is wrong to presume on the basis of an MRI that he was brain dead. As some tragic examples of locked in patients who were purportedly brain dead but very much conscious reveals, we need to be very careful about interpreting MRI.
There’s a big difference. As stated in some animation, perhaps South Park about seeing the Yeti: why don’t they install cameras with internet link up: because the people who report these things are too poor to afford that … .
Thanks, Keith. Perhaps I should have framed it as: Is this unlawful for Gillard to do?
Gab,
I’ve just looked at a few Powers of Attorney I got done for my parents and aunt. I recall that the solicitor brought along a couple of young ladies from his office to act as witnesses. One signed as “Law Clerk”, and the other “Legal Executive” (ie. no solicitors). The solicitor did not act as a witness, I assume to ensure arms length relationship to the matter. So, if not unlawful, probably at least considered bad practice to act as witness to a matter where the you’ve acted as solicitor to draft the documents. This was in Victoria.
We discussed materialism years ago and both of us dismissed it. If you look at the relevant research on both physical and mental health there is abundance evidence that meaning is a powerful healer. This is one reason why I cannot understand how atheists can justify caring about the future. If you’re dead and that’s it, if life is just about breeding and survival, we shouldn’t give a rat’s arse about what happens after we’re dead. Yet nearly everyone does.
Athiesm is the ultimate conceit. The athiest is so arrogant s/he thinks s/he knows how the universe works. The only thing I’ve figured out is that the physical universe is infinite (because mass exists), which makes the universe beyond my human comprehension.
We discussed materialism years ago and both of us dismissed it.
Yes, and as you say in another comment, what really interests me is that other people are becoming less confident of materialist explanations of mind, etc. as well, and Nagel’s work marks an interesting turn because he is an atheist who has become convinced the materialism cannot provide an answer. The next forty years are going to be damned interesting, DS.
Think of the reverse of this Adelaide snow event – say, a 32-degree day in July – and just try to imagine the triumphant ululating coming from SteveFB that we would have to put up with.
Of course, now that they have renamed the theory “climate change,” I should not speak too soon – that term was designed for triumphant ululation either way.
There is an underlying assumption in the neurosurgeon’s argument: that consciousness arises in the neocortex.
I haven’t read the neurosurgeon’s account but he knows that whether a patient is conscious/unconscious without a massive cerebral cortical reason ( eg acute severe anoxic injury or contrecoup trauma) is d/t RAS.
I’m guessing but I suspect he assumed that without advanced cortical function neurophysiologically he shouldn’t have had inner experiences or putting it another way there is no means to explain inner experience with self-awareness under those circumstances
The only thing I’ve figured out is that the physical universe is infinite (because mass exists), which makes the universe beyond my human comprehension.
Tom, …. Quantum Questions: Mystical Writings of The World’s Great Physicists
“Let me briefly mention the notorious atheism of science which comes, of course, under the same heading. Science has to suffer this reproach again and again, but unjustly so. No person god can form part of a world-model that has only become accessible at the cost of removing everything personal from it. We know, when God is experienced, this is an event as real as an immediate sense perception or as one’s own personality. Like them, he must be missing in the space-time picture. I do not find God anywhere in space and time – that is what the honest naturalist will tell you. For this, he incurs blame from him in whose catechism is written: God is Spirit.
Erwin Schrodinger, The Oneness of Mind.
The twentieth century critics who make these comments are still in the state of mind of the nineteenth-century scientists; they take it for granted that the universe must admit of material representation. If we grant their premises, we must, I think, also grant their conclusion – that we are talking nonsense – for their logic is irrefutable. But modern science cannot possibly grant their conclusion, it insists on the finiteness of space at all costs. This, of course, means that we must deny the premises which our critics unknowingly assume. The universe cannot admit of a material representation, and the reason, I think, it that is has become a mere mental concept.”
Sir James Jean, In the Mind of Some Eternal Spirit,
“All I would claim is that those who in the search for truth start from consciousness as a seat of self-knowledge with and interests and responsibilities not confined to the material plane are just as much facing the hard facts of experience as those who start from consciousness as a device for reading indications of spectroscopes and micrometers.”
“In comparing the certainty of things spiritual and things temporal, let us not forget this: mind is the first and most direct thing in our experience; all else is remote from it.”
Eddington, Beyond the Veil of Physics.
“WE have seen that the cyclic scheme of physics presupposes a background outside the scope of its investigations. In this background we must find, first, our own personality, and then perhaps a greater personality. The idea of a universal Mind or Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present state of scientific theory; at least it is in harmony with it. But if so, all that our inquiry justifies us in asserting is a purely colourless pantheism. Title [The Creative Cosmos: A unified science of matter, life and mind
Author [Ervin Laszlo
34
Eddington …
“To put the matter crudely,” said Eddington, “the stuff of the world is mind-stuff.” Jeans agreed: ‘… the cumulative evidence of various pieces of probably reasoning makes it seem more and more likely that reality is better described as mental than as material … the universe seems to be nearer to a great thought than a great machine.’”
I, for one, have immense respect for Kelly O’Dwyer MP in her guts and honesty in the face of the 1 on 4 battle on ” The Nation on Sky ” tonight.
( If Gab does her magic, everyone here will see, tomorrow perhaps )
Dot – who is paying your fees and living expenses for your phd if you are not a welfare bludger?
Have you ever considered becoming more efficient yourself?
Dot – who is paying your fees and living expenses for your phd if you are not a welfare bludger?
Have you ever considered becoming more efficient yourself?
Have you ever considered …
Eleanor Roosevelt
Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.
Athiesm is the ultimate conceit. The athiest is so arrogant s/he thinks s/he knows how the universe works
This is nonsense, Tom, and quite a slur. Certainly, Dawkins’ brand of atheism is so, but he’s a far cry from most atheists.
There are many who (arrogantly, imo) demand that atheists should call themselves “agnostic” since they have no proof of God’s non-existence.
“Agnostic” is certainly a valid term for some, but frankly, I think the term is overused. For whilst non-believers can’t “know” there is no God (it seems to be one of those untestable things), they certainly believe a certain way (namely, they believe that there is no God). People who merely don’t believe in God are, by definition, atheists. Most of them are NOT militant anti-religionists (and anti-Christian, in particular) like Dawkins.
“Why am I to believe you are schoolteacher (you’ve said as much before) when you spend an equal amount of time here as I do and you lecture me about infer/imply but you cannot tell few/several apart? You can’t give the kiddies quiet reading time all the time, day in, day out.”
Dot seems to have a problem believing anyone and makes up his own scenarios about their life – interesting in a Freudian sort of way.
Kelly O’Dwyer MP in her guts and honesty in the face of the 1 on 4 battle on ” The Nation on Sky ” tonight.
Sounds good, Jump. I’ll try to remember and see what I can find. Mind you, if anyone else can locate the video of it they shouldn’t be shy to post it here.
For whilst non-believers can’t “know” there is no God (it seems to be one of those untestable things), they certainly believe a certain way (namely, they believe that there is no God).
It’s a bit of an indictment on the church that the existence of God is called into question.
The presence of God is supposed to be manifestly evident.
Whether any individual chooses to ‘believe’ remains up to them, but if the church has their stuff together, the question of existence should be laughable.
Alice I answered that before. You can find that but not the answer? Keep trying Kimosabe.
Would you like to explain how capital controls would make Australians better off or how, despite the data contradicting the assertion, that the public sector is more efficient than the private sector?
Your inability to defend these ideas suggests a knowledge of economics not going any further than a run of the mill 1st year macroeconomics text.
I was overwhelmed with the sensation of physically and mentally extending out into the cosmos
Sounds like death.
I doubt the latter exists in the form so commonly thought of by ‘material universe’ types.
And as death is quite popular (100% of people get involved) and soon enough we will all get to find out, why fret about it?
I am consistently bemused by the hubris of people. A couple of centuries back, some very smart types squinted at the sun, worked out how much heat it was putting out, worked out that a similar mass of burning coal (the best energy source they had experience of) would stop producing heat after a small number of years, and concluded that ‘something is going on out there that we do not understand’.
We’ve apparently just worked out that the ‘material universe’ we see is not the real one (for certain values of real): something like 95% of the mass in the universe we cannot see, sense or interact with. Something is going on out there that we do not understand.
This is no surprise. How many people even understand that we exist in the third, fourth and fifth dimensions and that our perceived world is merely a three dimensional slice through a four dimensional object? Or that what we decide moment to moment has direct consequences in the fifth dimension?
Alice
April 20th, 2011 at 19:45 | #5 Reply | Quote
@may
Nothing wrong with your mind May. Nothing at all. The Koch brothers are the heart of advertising darkness. Oh how I wish they were sharing a cell with Mubarak and sons.
Alice
April 6th, 2011 at 21:21 | #10 Reply | Quote
@paul walter
Paul the only Americans who have the ability to come here and take over….are busy taking over less devloped countries exploiting even cheaper labour.
Thats the only reason we havent been taken over. The majority of Americans cant afford a holiday here…let alone a takeover and those who can afford a takeover are busy elsehwere.
Good.
So Alice. Did you learn about this theory when you worked in the NSW Treasury?
This is no surprise. How many people even understand that we exist in the third, fourth and fifth dimensions and that our perceived world is merely a three dimensional slice through a four dimensional object? Or that what we decide moment to moment has direct consequences in the fifth dimension?
Perhaps Mark but last I heard SUSY was being contradicted by the latest LHC data. Not sure if that is what you are referring too though.
We’ve apparently just worked out that the ‘material universe’ we see is not the real one (for certain values of real)
The quotes I provided earlier where nearly a century ago now. Materialism dies hard precisely because it is intuitively obvious. It is wrong.
dot, if you are using RTS and HECS to pay for your education, then you cannot claim to “always pay your own way”. I do not assert that RTS or HECS are welfare, but they are significant government subsidies.
Don’t get me wrong, I think governmemt subsidised education is entirely a good idea, as I discussed on the other thread.
HECS is a good co-contribution scheme, and RTS is an excellent system for paying for research based PhD’s. As far as I am concerned, the more taxpayer funds spent on education (including yours) the better.
It’s just a bit annoying when people complain about government subsidies on one hand and collect a government subsidy in the other.
BTW I am not a school teacher, I am a self employed professional industry based trainer in the private sector.
More to the point: you want education to be subsidised, chide the students (people who are barred from employment without taking some mickey mouse course run by you) as “dependents”, then take the cash the Government has provided for them and call yourself a self made man.
DS, great quotations. That generation or two of physicists were absolutely remarkable, partly, because specialization had yet to rob them of significant knowledge in other fields.
“At the end of the day, all the approaches I have discussed are like to prove unsatisfactory. In fact, reviewing them they all seem to me to be either ridiculous or hopelessly inadequate: a unique universe which just happens to permit life by a fluke; a stupendous number of alternative parallel universes which exist for no reason; a pre-existing God who is somehow self-explanatory; or a self-creating, self-explaining, self-understanding universe – with observers, entailing backward causation and telelogy. Perhaps we have reached a fundamental impasse dictated by the limitations of the human intellect.”
Paul Davies, The Goldilocks Enigma.
I didn’t record any notes on this text(which usually means I knew it or it wasn’t very good) but it highlights that while most people, including most scientists, still think of a materialist basis, the science points elsewhere:
Title [The Matter Myth
Author [Paul Davies, John Gribbin
Publisher [
Place Pub [
Date [1991
Source [library
Issue [
Page [
Notes [materialism, chaos, physics, cosmology, quantum mechanics, black holes
Dot the governmemt paid for my tertiary education costs. I was fortunate enough to attend university when it was totally free, thanks to Gough. I also collected a tertiary student allowance, quite legally, while living at home.
I may have used the term educator previously, you would need to show me the quote. I do tend to use the terms trainer and educator interchangably which I agree is not very clear. I think trainer is a more appropriate term as I typically provide work-based learning for existing employees which is probably best described as training.
So you accept that your tertiary education is governmemt subsidised? Would you prefer it wasn’t?
Dot the governmemt paid for my tertiary education costs. I was fortunate enough to attend university when it was totally free, thanks to Gough. I also collected a tertiary student allowance, quite legally, while living at home.
SteveC It wasn’t free, you asshat. unless you think the running costs of the university was free and no one was paying for them.
You also should not have been receiving that allowance and you cheated like a bunch of people I know. Shame on you.
I may have used the term educator previously, you would need to show me the quote. I do tend to use the terms trainer and educator interchangably which I agree is not very clear. I think trainer is a more appropriate term as I typically provide work-based learning for existing employees which is probably best described as training.
What sort of incoherent drivel is that? WTF are you on about, you dolt?
First of all Steve C I would like to apologise to you.
I was a jerk. I have a particular hatred of occupational licensing and I let that get the better of me and I was presumptuous to boot.
I think your position on HECS is a bit rich considering what you got. I can accept your position if you however accede that people eventually pay it back and then some if they reach a high enough income level. If you claim people are always indebted to you somehow then what obligation do they have to pay it back at all?
Yes there should be student loans and uni should be privatised. Just compare the U Syd LEC Dip law vs the LLB they offer. The LLB is nearly double the cost. $675 per subject vs $1180 per subject.
Sure it is still through U Syd and the LPAB. It’s what they can do when they cut the costs however.
Student loans exist where they are not crowded out.
Everyone is worse off because of socialised tertiary education.
The courses are not what industry wants and graduates necessarily need. There are departments that shouldn’t exist. Some lecturers are incapable of losing their jobs.
The right to operate a university is under State ministerial order (amongst the right to grant certain degrees from them on the advice of professional bodies that maintain quasi monopoly control under law). Most people seeking to be a professional are forced to use a very inefficient monopoly provider and not only is the private sector crowded out, they would have little incentive with loans being double to triple what they would be in a more efficient environment for the service providers.
I find it difficult to call HECS a subsidy where service provision costs blow out perhaps at the detriment of the end user and the Government has created a generous loan system no private operator can possibly compete with.
It really just subsidises academics who don’t do enough teaching or (useful) research, along with slackers in support departments with cushy jobs.
I’m beginning to think Alice is telling the truth about her career as well.
I find it mind blowing and scary that someone with such warped views about economics could work in a State Treasury or as a first year macroeconomics lecturer.
Alice, now that I apologise for my previous rudeness to you, do you want to explain how the private sector is no more efficient than the public sector?
I refer to Gary Sturgess’ Opinion article in the AFR dated 15 June this year.
It appears to me your belief is mathematically impossible and the private sector is more efficient than the private sector.
Oh, how funny to see hypocrites skewered so completely. Not even the Minister for the Status of Women walked out:
WAYNE Swan and other senior Labor ministers were present at a union-hosted function when a comedian made an offensive joke about Tony Abbott’s chief of staff Peta Credlin.
Trade Minister Craig Emerson today condemned the remarks made by comedian “Allan Billison”, saying he left “shortly thereafter”.
The Treasurer and fellow cabinet ministers Tanya Plibersek and Brendan O’Connor today branded the joke “offensive”, but none walked out on last night’s performance by the comedian, who spearheads a satirical union campaign, Fair Go For Billionaires.
The three ministers remained at the Canberra function through the comedy act, with Mr Swan and Mr O’Connor later delivering speeches to the audience.
Let’s remind ourselves of the standard demanded of the Sydney University Liberal Student Club only the day before by the desperately sanctimonious Prime Minister:
Ms Gillard asked Mr Abbott whether he had taken responsibility over the “died of shame” comments Sydney shock jock Alan Jones made about her father.
“Has he taken any responsibility of the conduct of his political party?” she asked.”Who apparently when the most vile things were being said about my family raised no voice of objection.
”No one walked out of the room, no one walked up to Mr Jones and said that was not acceptable. Instead of course, it was all viewed as good fun.”
AFTER starting the class war denigrating mining bosses and billionaires, the Gillard government has launched a gender war and Julia Gillard has appointed herself the gender-general and commander-in-chief.
The Prime Minister has become the political arbiter of sexist and misogynist behaviour and offers judgments and condemnation accordingly. Embarrassingly, Gillard has already discovered that means being held to your own standards and being forced to condemn your own side.
Great stuff from Shanahan. Wonder if he’ll still have a job tomorrow? Wonder if The Australian will still be around after this despicable hypocritical bottom-feeding loathsome putrid government legislates to squelch any newspaper that is critical of them, their actions and their hideous policies?
Gillard and her hand-picked pustules are the festering canker sores of politics.
Tony Jones announced tonight that Lateline will have a special feature tomorrow night on regulating the media. That is, banning free speech. News Ltd boss versus academic gauleiter who advised Finkelstein. Gillard’s Australia.
I read the link C.L. and see that the bloke’s ambulance chaser couldn’t wait to get to court, table lots of internet comments and pretend he’s a victim who will be cruelly made to sit in the court with a dunces hat on saying “Guilty”.
I do not understand how describing a sub human as sub human can be villification.
The PM seems to believe that the best way to protect herself from sunburn is to cover herself in excrement. It may stop the burn, but the smell is permeating every corner of our land.
I wonder what Richo would have written if he were not (deliberately?) unaware that Roxon had Slipper’s texts for months.
“PM’s backers return fire on snipers from Rudd camp.”
You know the witch is getting deadly serious when she wheels out Comrade Minister for Playschool Katey Kate Ellis to throw death stares in the direction of Comrade Dear Leader (in exile).
Give her time and the Member for Teenage Giggly Girls will also transmogrify into a fat asksed, Mao suited, snarling, vituperative, man hating shrew too.
Where’s Spot? Has he ducked home to NC? I’m thinking of the Dawg because Romney is charging home, the game has totally changed, Mitt is leading the Swing State Poll as well as the national poll, Obama is in huge trouble …
Great stuff from Shanahan. Wonder if he’ll still have a job tomorrow? Wonder if The Australian will still be around after this despicable hypocritical bottom-feeding loathsome putrid government legislates to squelch any newspaper that is critical of them, their actions and their hideous policies?
The more The Australian muscles up, the less likely she will take them on. Ditto all other media. The press needs to learn that lesson if they want to survive, both at the hands of the politicians and at the hands of the public.
Give her time and the Member for Teenage Giggly Girls will also transmogrify into a fat asksed, Mao suited, snarling, vituperative, man hating shrew too.
Richo says what the rest of the country is thinking:
The PM seems to believe that the best way to protect herself from sunburn is to cover herself in excrement. It may stop the burn, but the smell is permeating every corner of our land. There can be no excuse for the long list of serious errors of judgment. When the crunch comes, she is just not good enough for the office she holds.
It’s worth cutting and pasting the headline to get to the text if you don’t have a subscription: it’s some of Richo’s best work.
It doesn’t make it any less creepy to know you are being stalked by Jack the Ripper.
Tom, he is hardly Jack the Ripper, McTernan is a loud mouthed bully-boy and classic stand-over type. He is a foul mouthed, bottom feeder, whose soul purpose is to make shit up and spread lies and formulate very poorly thought out and executed political attacks.
He is the type of weak prick that when finally confronted and called out for his shenanigans will shit his pants and run to mummy crying.
There is nothing frightening or dangerous (Jack the Ripper style) about that slimy little dirt bag.
Gillard’s idiots are so obsessed with getting AbbottAbbottAbbott they’ve let the UN anti-democrats in through the wide-open front door:
A MASSIVE backlog of asylum-seekers has built up inside detention centres because processing has stopped since the Pacific Solution was reinstated and almost none of the new arrivals have been transferred to Nauru or Papua New Guinea, which are not yet ready to receive them.
The warnings from the UN and refugee advocates, who predicted a looming disaster inside the detention network, emerged as UN High Commissioner for Refugees Antonio Guterres concluded PNG had “neither the competence or capacity” to process transferred asylum-seekers alone.
Sorry Tom – I simply cannot abide Hypertension Man in any way, shape or form, including his ‘rebirth’ as a supposedly dispassionate political columnist.
These lines show why:
She (dullard) made a really good speech attacking Tonee Yabott on his attitude towards women and there are questions for him to answer.
Fox News reports that Joe Biden was “all over the place” in his early prep for today’s vice-presidential debate and top Obama advisors including David Alexrod have been sent in to mind/mentor him.
09:05 EDT Snow has been falling right along the New South Wales ranges, in places that didn’t see snow all winter, for some it is the heaviest in several years.
Hope those south coast mussels are OK. Bloody Global Cooling.
from the leader of Cassidy’s article at the ABC’s Drum.
There was one red face after another this week, on both sides of Parliament, says Barrie Cassidy. It remains to be seen how it will play out in the electorate.
The piss-weak bastard has turned off the Comments!!!!
When i went to the article it said “updated 3 minutes ago”
The article itself was posted about 2 hours ago.
Comments are now switched on.
Does Cassidy read Catallaxy?
The U.S. State Department monitored the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, “in almost real-time,” according to an official who oversees diplomatic security.
Charlene Lamb, deputy assistant secretary of state for international programs in the Bureau of Diplomatic Security, said a security agent activated a danger-notification system as the attack began shortly before 10 p.m. local time on Sept. 11.
“From that point on, I could follow what was happening in almost real time,” Lamb said in written testimony prepared for a hearing today by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, which has been investigating the attack and whether security was adequate.
Ol’ Leatherface saves you an hour on Sunday by previewing The Abbott Hour,
On the other hand, the issue did give the Prime Minister a platform for a cracker of a speech, one so emotionally delivered that it won’t soon be forgotten. It might yet be the making of her.
The anecdotal evidence and the response in the social media at least suggests it resonated well beyond those who make a study of the machinations of Canberra.
Give us a spell, you gutless old wardheeler. It was actually the moment any remaining doubters realised she wasn’t up to the job and they wanted her arseholed as soon as possible.
Rob Oakeshotte, the MP who betrayed his conservative electorate in order to install this farcical disgrace of a government, who sits with Craig Thompson and supports him, who voted to support Slipper…
KEY independent Rob Oakeshott has called on voters to protest to their local MPs about the lack of parliamentary standards
Protest to their local MPs? This from the man who doesn’t dare show his face in his electorate?
The hypocrisy of this government and its supporters stinks worse than a five day old shitty nappy left in the sun.
Biden vs Ryan would have been a draw if Biden hadn’t talked over Ryan. All that smirky stuff by Biden was also very contrived. The worst that could be said is that the VP debate didn’t do Romney-Ryan any harm.
Ikonoclast
May 16th, 2011 at 10:23 | #1 Reply | Quote
This really is a watershed decade and limits to growth science is now being vindicated. JQ admits 5 significant peaks have already occurred. These peaks are;
1. World Oil production.
2. US gasoline consumption
3. US vehicle miles
4. US car fleet size
5. US shopping mall floor space.
Has any leftist, given the recent disclosures about the imbroglio in Benghazi, come forward and apologized to the American that is now sitting in prison purportedly for a parole violation but in fact to provide cover to the serial failure of the US government to protect its own personnel in Libya? Have they cancelled their subscription to the Nation? Have the returned the membership to the Democrats? Have they removed the Politico from their twitter feed? Have they at the very least mustered some redness in their pasty cheeks? No? Keep this in mind the next raise the issue of civil liberties, among other things.
Clark is not just more thoroughly one-sided, but more offensively so for one reason: I believe he truly does not understand that what he takes to be commonplace observations are in fact partisan products of his political, tribal and cultural environment. His prejudices seem entirely unexamined.
This is what those of us who know and have had to interact with the left have often said here. They do not see that their worldview is just that, a cultural construct. They see it as absolute truth.
Strange, from the purveyors of relativist post-modernism.
Yeah Dot?
Who is apying your tuition fees for your phd and who’s
paying your rent and who’s paying your food and expenses while you blog all day and dont study you lazy bastard?
Is it Mummy? I suject it might just be.
If not where do you actually work to be efficeiont Dot? ie do you actually contyribute to your own costs or do you bludge off someone else while you insult everyone else in here?
Well Dot – let me tell you something about work. I have worked since I was 13 years old after school, weekends and thne at 16 full time work and Ive worked ever since and paid my own way since 16 (rent and everything else).
So what have you done and who is paying for your PHD?
Oh by the way Precious, before I became a registerd nurse I worked as waitress for a year and had to deal with stuck up businessmen in North Sydney who thought they were so great and as long as they splashed the tips and wobbled out of the restaurant I couldnt give a damn. I lived off those tips and saved my wages.
Dot – you are a waste of time and space. You are too precious to know or understand the real world at all.
Some people want to talk about inefficiency and we have people out there living solely off other people’s savings ie spoilt children who’s parents are paying for their uni while they pretend to be studying and blog all day?
Hang on – dont we aim to be efficient? Dont we aim for all to be hard workers and self supporting and independant or do the children of rich parents get a ticket of leave to be bludgers and timewasters in blogs??
Who is payinhg for your phd Dot?
If you work, where and exactly how many hours a week do you work? How much paid work that you earn contributes to your as far as I can see, sadly lacking, phd econ education?
Interesting question Steve C asked. So far no response from Dot.
Why dont you answer Steve and my questions first Dot boy?
How did you get into postgrad econ more to the point and wheer excatly have you worked to pay for it?
Hey guess what you smug prick?
I worked, paid my own uni (all of it) and worked more and got into post grad econ om my own merits and at my own cost dickead with no help from Mummy or Daddy.
MY parents were too poor to send me to unis. Thats why I was a nurse first. So Dot, I got into post grad econ on my own merits and hard work all the way. I got everyhthing I have on my own merits since I was 16 and supported myself fully since that time including rent, car, mortgage, the lot.
I know how to work very hard Dot. You dont.
Parasites like you only know how to be smug and comfotable in the knowledge that someone else (like Mummy and Daddy) picks up the tab for your lazy arse.
Jarrah
June 3rd, 2009 at 15:10 | #43 Reply | Quote Alice, correct me if I’m wrong, but I recall you mentioning that you teach economics. Would you mind telling me where?
Alice
June 3rd, 2009 at 15:12 | #44 Reply | Quote Public sector employment has
fallen by 80,000 jobs since 1987 (despite population increases and the now bad unemployment situation). Thats criminal. Its also more than half of public sector employment. Those people spent money and paid taxes. Every public asset that could be found anywhere has been sold (a hell of a lot under you know who again – JH – a one man wrecking yard). Thats criminal negligence
Alice
June 3rd, 2009 at 15:20 | #45 Reply | Quote
94# Jarrah? – are you trying to ask me on a date? Thats very sweet.
Jarrah
June 3rd, 2009 at 15:21 | #46 Reply | Quote
Sorry, Alice – I’m married. I just wanted to know what institution to avoid
In a May 3, 2012, email, the State Department denied a request by a group of Special Forces assigned to protect the U.S. embassy in Libya to continue their use of a DC- 3 airplane for security operations throughout the country.
The subject line of the email, on which slain Ambassador Chris Stevens was copied, read: “Termination of Tripoli DC-3 Support.”
Four days later, on May 7, the State Department authorized the U.S. embassy in Vienna to purchase a $108,000 electric vehicle charging station for the embassy motor pool’s new Chevrolet Volts. The purchase was a part of the State Department’s “Energy Efficiency Sweep of Europe” initiative, which included hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on green program expenditures at various U.S. Embassies.
In fact, at a May 10 gala held at the U.S. embassy in Vienna, the ambassador showcased his new Volts and other green investments as part of the U.S. government’s commitment to “climate change solutions.”
The event posting on the embassy website read: “Celebrating the Greening of the Embassy.”
While the embassy in Vienna was going green, the consulate in Benghazi was getting bombed, and little was done to stop it.
Yea Tom, I thought as much watching the debate. Biden was a complete turnoff.
It’s okay to act a little like Biden if you have the other dude completely on the ropes. You have some leeway too slightly ridicule the other person. However you don’t when he’s performing credibly.
Parasites like you only know how to be smug and comfotable in the knowledge that someone else (like Mummy and Daddy) picks up the tab for your lazy arse.
Sheesh, you typify the type of attitude Judith Sloan suggested when she wrote:
Tim Peterson
August 28th, 2009 at 14:11 | #18 Reply | Quote
Alice,
Specifics?
On the subject of bull, you initially said that tighter monetary policy and lower inflation had come at the expense of higher unemployment.
When I pointed out that actual unemployment and the NAUIRU are were lower in the 2000s than the 70s, ie that low inflation ultimately didn’t* lead to higher unemployment, you switched to a diatribe about the cyclical unemployment rate now (irrelevant to the argument, since it was not due to anti-inflation policy) and the definition of unemployment (also irrelevant, since decade average unemployment is lower under a standardized definition for the 2000s vs the 1970s).
Florida is kind of America’s version of Darwin, NT. Only with more face-eating.
Oy sdog. Nothing wrong with Florida. My wife and I love the place, especially Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Orlando and Key West (Conch Fritters, Coconut Shrimp, Key Lime Pie, Yuengling Beer). Clean, fantastic roads. Can’t wait to go there again. Definitely nothing like Darwin.
Surprised by this recent finding. Tryptophan is difficult to get into the brain. You need tryptophan rich foods and a friend advised me that this is best with a high carb meal because that stimulates insulin release which promotes the other amino acid to be taken up by muscle cells thereby allowing more T into the brain. I didn’t follow that up but I trust his judgment. Tryptophan is the amino acid that is critical for serotonin production and is diverted from sero prodn via inflammation, hence one reason why we feel lousy when sick.
Dot youb say
” Why dont you answer Steve and my questions first Dot boy?
I answered Steve’s questions. I apologised and we made out peace and we entered civil discussion. I am not answering them again.”
I say Bullshit you answered Steve’s questions re who’s paying for your phd pivileged one?
You dint nanswer then and you dint make no peace with Steve. Let Steve answer that.
Either way, you have no basis to question me you prat, because I actually worked for everything I git including nusring quals and an undergrad degree with distrinction average mark nacross all subjects and post grad econ.
More than you could manage paying for the whole damn lot youself sibce age 16 ie including your own rent, expenses, all (and now I own a house on my own no mortgage and other real estate investments and the house I live in with my partner – the bank doesnt own us – and by the way I pay for my own son to study).
Ask mne dometime smartarse how I have no mortages? You might even find out in addition to working my guts out sibce age 16 I speculatively dealt in real estate along the way and enjoyed every minute of it.
More than you have achieved in your short smartarse life so dont you tell me whether I deserve my post grad econ or anything else.
I worked damn hard for it and everything.
Why dont you just front up and tell us who is paying for your econ studies and tone your smart juvenile mouth down a bit?
Alice you wouldn’t be a psych nurse would you?
My observation of meeting a few psych nurses was that the should have been in the bed not standing next to it.
Your posts confirm to me the same conclusion.
Ive been a nurse, not for many years. Gave it up. Rotten pay. I like money. Didnt have much when I was young.
Never a psych nurse. Went to uni. Got s degree with disntiction average. Paid for all myself whilst workiung full time. Paid more than my lecturers as a student. Got my post grad. Dealt real estate. Made money.
Its Friday night. I having wine (white) with my husband who runs his own business (and tolerates my real estate dealings), cooked a gorgeous lamb roast in a clay oven (so good), and am enjouying the coean views and dont have to put up with a stupid young dick like Dot.
I’m just funnin’. My baby sister and her family currently live there and I like ragging on it, but I’m actually quite fond of the place. It does seem like all the weirdest things happen in The F State, but.
Ive been a nurse, not for many years. Gave it up. Rotten pay. I like money. Didnt have much when I was young.
So why do you hate people with money, and what job did you have as an unskilled worker to work tolerable hours with no overtime to study full time and earn a D average? How did you find the time to raise your children in all of this?
Well hating paying $4 for a bottle of mild is part of makes people with money keep their money Dot.
(not that you would undertand that – seeing as you have come from such a privileged background that you live like a parasite while someone else pays for your studies).
People who are brought up poor often make better in life than people like you you rely on others.
My lovely husband is the same. Brought up poor, poorer than me (very poor – single mother – no holiday ever) but now very successful and he thinks just like me and worked damn hard in his life – same as me – we both hate poverty not rich people.
But we both have little respect for rich people’s lazy chiildren.
I am sure you can understand that Dot.
There is such a thing as spoiling children and they never end up standing on their own two feet.
Psychopaths aren’t as fucked up in Florida because the weather’s better. Incidentally, if you get away from the tourist strip, you could be in a tropical version of the Wimmera-Mallee – beaut cropping country if you’re a cocky.
Dot
I dont know where to start with my skills. Too big for you to get your head around but mostly its just plain hard work and I did that for years.
” what job did you have as an unskilled worker to work tolerable hours with no overtime to study full time and earn a D average?”
What do you want now my F****** transcript?.
Domnt forget the prizes I won and dont forget I graduated with a placing og eleventh out ot 3000 students. That makes it a D plus average in fact ie close to 80 GPA across the 29 subjects in my undergrad (how many in yours/ 24??)
Dont forget the prizes I won for top of various subjects for the years I studied in my undergrad?
This while I was working full time earning more than my lecturers with a staff of eight under me.
You know something. I wasnt married or engaged. Had no time. I just worked my behind off on weekends.
How many weekends did you give up Dot for your studies combined with full time work.
OH god, I almost cant stand this spoilt child Dot and his chilidh comments. He doesnt even work full time while he “studies his phd” and blogs most days?
Maybe your memory is failing you. Academics were paid very well during the time you went to university. Nowadays they cannot attract people away from industry.
Going on current, indexed pay rates, a uni lecturer (B) earns 88-100k. This is common across unis.
So someone earning that on normal hours would need to be paid 44-50 AUD per hour.
Now you said you quit as a nurse because the pay was poor so what else could possibly pay that well?
Maybe you did a huge amount of overtime? Then I don’t understand how you could have gotten a D average etc.
There is such a thing as spoiling children and they never end up standing on their own two feet.
…sez the loud-mouthed overbearing Mom whose disingenuous debut on this blog featured her running interference for her adult son because his Uni lecturers were being mean! to him.
Dot and Alice are the equivilent of Maddie and David from Moonlighting Gab.
Eventually their eyes will lock, the heart will skip a beat and they will be ready for that room you mentioned.
In the mean time I will be putting some more lard on the cat’s boil.
They grow wheat, barley and other cereal crops in “outback” Florida. If you head out west from Palm Beach through Lake Okeechobee towards Tampa and the Gulf Coast, it’s a different world. Gab, a cocky is a farmer. I’m a cocky’s son.
If you’re a looker, then by all means talk as much drivel as you want. At The Cat, lookers have free reign to babble on about any worthless crap they choose. In fact they are encouraged to.
However this doesn’t apply to non lookers or beasts. And no, this isn’t a a misogynistic comment. We love lookers here.
Of course, I actually knew that but forgot, Tom. It’s been a while since I’ve heard those terms since leaving the land in my teens.
So, being all city-fied, when I read it I puzzled ‘why is Tom going around Miami trimming (crop) the plumage on cockatoos? Isn’t that illegal?’. Thanks for the reminder of the Aussie terms I’d forgotten.
Dot – What else could pay that well was wotking for Mayne Nickless in management and lots of travel.
Someone your age needs to be very choosy about who they work for in the prime of their life and my advice is to go for the big organistaions rather than small or medium…if you cam talk your way into mid management or higher.
Forget it if you cant – they pay lower level wages at crap rates, but the diff is small mediums pay most level wages except mid high at crap rates.
You still trying to interrogate my skills set Dot?
I havent even told you about my other skills yet and you are confused about the ones I have told you about already and keep asking silly questions.
I wouldnt know where to start. You seem to think people leave school,follow a defined career path, tick boxes, go the same direction, never change etc
Life isnt like that and sometimes you take a gamble on better returns elswehere. It worked well for me but I worked for it.
btw when I left nursing dont apply current hourly rates – the pay was shit and never got much better if you worked harder and eg got more certificates – you couldnt work harder to make much more.
We were regularly working overtime of one to two hours with no pay in major Sydney hospitals – thats how short staffed it was. There was a mass exodus from the system in the years surrounding when I left and that was why I left. Overworked and grossly ubderpaid.
Its all in the history. So many left they had to import nurses from Oseas to run our hospitals and increasingly use casuals.
If you head out west from Palm Beach through Lake Okeechobee towards Tampa and the Gulf Coast, it’s a different world.
Tom, but why would you head west? 30 yards west of the I 95 is about as far as you want to go. In fact , change that. You do want to go further west of the outer north bound lane of the I 95. The fucking heat is unbearable without the ocean breeze.
In its latest attempt to gain funding, Wikileaks has erected a paywall for users who wish to access the Global Information files. Hacktivist group Anonymous does not approve.
“No longer will Anonymous risk prison to defend WikiLeaks or Julian Assange from their enemies. No longer will Anonymous risk prison to supply material for WikiLeaks disclosures. Anonymous turns it’s back on WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks has with it’s actions this past 48 hours betrayed Anonymous, and thus has lost it’s biggest and most powerful supporter.”
Assange is trying to charge money for access to stolen data, and his data-stealers are NO THAPPY JULIAN!
I figured you were a country chick, Gab. Youz rool. Incidentally, Sdog is still refusing to tell us why he disappeared. I think he might have been away on a Dirty Week.
“I ndont understand how you got a D average”
Dot you know the answer to that. Work, work and more work.
Infidel Tiger
My son is just great – no longer working for JB slave masters crappy users of keen to work school leavers as casuals on a shift a week. Doing electrical engineering at uni and doing really well (he is my son after all).
JC – am I a looker? You should look beyond looks JC but I make no comment on my own looks. Ill leave that to those who are the lookers. Does it matter? Or does it matter less when you are older?. I think the latter. Mens looks matter less to me know than when I was younger and I can see personality more now than I could when it was obscured by good looks. Age can be a blessing.
The older men get and the less good looking they are the nicer they become as people?
Dot not a graduating class. A graduating year (two semesters of intakes)
My God its super sleuth Dot – and he still thinks he doesnt believe me.
Talk about inspector Clousseau.
Sorry but I’ve had no luck trying to locate that vid of Kelly O’Dwyer on The Nation. As Gillard said in her first speech after bribing the Independents”
Here’s the most excellent Kelly O’Dwyer on the “venom politics of sexism”. An all female panel on SkyNews’ The Nation wherein Kelly does battle with four lefties.
Here’s the most excellent Kelly O’Dwyer on the “venom politics of sexism”. An all female panel on SkyNews’ The Nation wherein Kelly does battle with four lefties..
You never were one to mince your words, BS, and I think we are all finding this tedious. It’s so dull soon I’ll be having a mug of hot tryptophan with a spoonful of bee’s carbo and heading bedwards with a book. Works for me. Thanks for more on the science of it.
Alice, no-one doubts that people can have complex backgrounds and get an education without bludging for it. I know because that’s me too: I did just that. But you are going on and on and on about it all like someone in early dementia. My very considered advice is get over it or seek help.
I doubt very much if Dot as one of the more forthright of the Cat guys is interested in getting a room with a didactic older married lady patently a gasser not a looker, but I wish he could talk to the rest of us again for a bit. You are monopolising his time and boring us all, so desist or go.
Hey Dot, Da Hairy Ape says Friday nites are ‘normally quite reliable’ on SBS for a little visual show and tell, maybe that’s an alternative till Alice goes to bed.
Out of 3000 people, in a large sydney university, in the commerce/econ faculty, during the mid 1980s, only ten got better than a distinction average?
A large university like UNSW only had about 17000 enrolments per year back in the 1980s – now enrolments sit above 45000.
Say across five faculties – arts, law, commerce, science and engineering – and at least three years of students – each faculty would struggle to get more than 1500 students graduating across a whole year (both semesters of intake).
Even back in the mid-late 1990s UNSW (representative of a bigger university), it only had economics & commerce total undergraduate enrolments (commencing and continuing combined, all years) just a touch over 2800.
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My final comment ever on this subject is that Alice must have went to a very, very strange university.
In 1996, UNSW had undergrad enrolments over 19000. They only awarded over 4000 degrees at this level in total.
Following similar demographics and information she has volunteered, Alice’s university would have had 3000 commerce faculty graduates (of which she came 11th) and 579 graduates from the remaining arts, science, law and engineering faculties combined. A big sydney research university.
Da Hairy Ape says Friday nites are ‘normally quite reliable’ on SBS for a little visual show and tell, maybe that’s an alternative till Alice goes to bed.
I understand ABC2 has taken over as Friday night viewing for connoisseurs of the human form, labelling its programming as “Frisky Fridays”.
Digital channel ABC2 will dedicate its Friday night schedule to adults-only content, featuring a series of documentaries and films dedicated to sex.
The schedule features shows such as Confessions of a Sex Addict, about a 27-year-old man who reveals stories of sleeping with more than 300 women; the documentary Call Girl, that follows the lives of phone-sex workers; and Male Hookers Uncovered, an investigation into the realities of the male escort business.
SBS is now more likely to have some interminable cycle race on these days…
Also, for bonus points, we got slammed with a massive traffic surge earlier today (when it first crashed). About 5k requests/second for a few minutes until I kicked the server over.
And I for one think it raises the question about the role that Tony Abbott’s playing.
Relentless negativity.
“Dot – What else could pay that well was wotking for Mayne Nickless in management and lots of travel.”
Note what Alice said at 9.08 and 9.26.
She worked in Mayne Nickless in management (“with a lot of travel”) and it paid an equivalent to 80-100k in today’s money. She also did full time university at the same time where she managed to get a D average across a 29 subject, three year commerce degree.
How she got to management from a lowly paid and poorly qualified nurse who hated her job is bit of a mystery as well.
Undergrad at a large uni usually means strict monitoring of (daytime) tutorials and near compulsory attendance expected. Yet she did a 29 subject B Com/B Ec course in three years with a D average and worked a management job with “plenty of travel”.
Remember you’ve also got to commute in the city.
How she prepared for calculus and matrix algebra in even first year university after leaving school at only 16 and doing nursing certs. on the job in England in the 1970s is also above my ken.
Laurie Oakes shakey old man trying to get down and cool with the young ones directs his readers to…Jezebel.com
Jezebel is a popular American website for women that lauded Gillard as “one badass motherf … er” after what it called her “epic speech on sexism”.
Ah Laurie…it also gives readers front page advice on how to be “sluts” and how to give anal with your finger and use buttplugs.
“Ay?Ay?Interwat?Butt plug what? Ay?” Says the irrelevent old man.
He did fully confirm one two things though:
1. He’s Labors bitch.
“ON Wednesday night, the Prime Minister’s communications director, John McTernan, was with a group of Labor staffers in a Canberra bar.
Realising who they were from their conversation, the 19-year-old barmaid commented that “Julia Gillard’s done well in Parliament this week”.
“Were you watching Question Time?” McTernan asked. “No,” the young woman said, “I’ve been reading jezebel.com.”"
Gee now how did he get that little story I wonder?
2. John Mcternan is Gillards puppet master.
“It is Gillard and McTernan working up the sand-bagging for any Caucus push against her,” he said.
Let it wash over you. Today the government publically stated that Tony Abbott hates his daughters partly in order for Gillard to protect her position from Rudd.
Oh and no mention of Labors hypocrisy nuclear explosion last night Oakes? Of course not.
I worked, paid my own uni (all of it) and worked more and got into post grad econ om my own merits and at my own cost dickead with no help from Mummy or Daddy.
Who is Geoffrey Browne and how did he get his hands on letters written to Bob Santamaria from Abbott and why are they being discussed in the Australian?
She left home and school at 16 and started full time work, and also got into economics without ever doing calculus at school. This was back in the 1980s when the entry standards were more rigourous.
HECS was implemented in 1989. From 1974-1989, university education was free.
Alice reckoned she did undergrad in the middle of the 1980s (i.e, before 1989).
I thought you were doing satire, Twostix until you posted the link. Pity Oakes closed the comments section off.
He always does.
Doesn’t want to hear from the peons, takes to much time – time that he could be spending dining with his Labor friends and scribing their tales of Labor staffers being at the bar and female bartenders figuring out exactly who they are then telling them about visiting jezebel.com and watching a video of the Prime Minister thus perfectly displaying just how super fucking amazing John Mcternan is (who incidentally was the one telling the story).
Because that happens heaps in bars.
This struck me though:
It offered him the Speaker’s role so he would defect from the Coalition, although it was obvious to anyone with an ounce of political judgement and knowledge of Slippery Pete’s character that he was an accident waiting to happen.
Umm didn’t Oakes laud Gillards decision as brilliant?
Who is Geoffrey Browne and how did he get his hands on letters written to Bob Santamaria from Abbott and why are they being discussed in the Australian?
How Tony Abbott laboured over choice of party
Smells like a Liberal thing to me Gab.
“Oh look Abbott’s not extreme, look he was even going to join the ALP at one stage”.
Prepare for the shitstorm of “the glorious ALP would never have a thug like Tony Abbott!!11!!” etc.
What a f**king hypocrite. Blatant campaign against Abbott on a personal level to do what? Get more votes? I don;t think so.
Broad shoulders . . . the Prime Minister with Philip Clark on ABC 702 Sydney, September 15, 2011:
Clark: There’s been a lot of comment about the level of vituperation directed against you personally and the office of the prime minister . . . Some have said it’s due to some deep-seated misogyny in the Australian public.
Julia Gillard: Look, I’ve got very broad shoulders and what I spend my time thinking about and doing is implementing the policies and plans our nation needs. I didn’t come to this position hankering for people to say nice things about me every day . . .
Lol why not? The entire fabricated “popularity” of this was based on a vulgar, nutcase feminist site and a bunch of unknown losers tweets so sure this push back can be based on a couple of comments:
PM’s speech goes from bad-ass to bad
As the tone of the commentary changed, Jezebel started a debate on double standards.
“Gypsydoe” asked “Why is Gillard defending a person who may have sexually harassed a man? Why are we celebrating this? I’m confused.”
An angry male said that: “A woman unhinged, losing the plot and throwing an irrelevant hissy fit in parliament is not ‘an impassioned speech’.”
Nothing like a bit of international perspective ey lefties?
Gab, I just watched that clip you posted. Dee Madigan was very hard to take seriously. Kelly O’Dwyer was a complete soldier. She has a very bright future.
The second is that depicting “Abbott as misogynist” is a deliberate tactic. Gillard’s evidence that Abbott hates women was a series of his old-fashioned and sexist comments. Yes, they are unacceptable. It is equally obvious they do not constitute misogyny.
“Unacceptable”?
We’ll leave that to the people to decide you clown.
Dover I started to watch it on Jump’s recommendation but honestly, I just couldn’t take it. I’ve had a gutfull of this faux misogynist crap.
A fourteen year old girl gets shot in the head because she dared to speak up against the Taliban and promoting education for girls.
That’s misogyny, not this trumped up disgusting campaign being run by a despicable and disreputable poor excuse for a female posing as the prime minister. I cannot even bring myself to use capital letters for ‘prime minister’.
How will history remember gillard? The first female prime minister who couldn’t take the heat of politics and played the victim card in a failed attempt to cover up her miserable policies and many many failures in office.
A little girl who got promoted well beyond her incompetencies and excused her failures in sooky fashion by saying ‘he was mean’. FMe.
She left home and school at 16 and started full time work, and also got into economics without ever doing calculus at school. This was back in the 1980s when the entry standards were more rigourous.
You know something – I did get into uni without ever have done calculus at school and you know something? When i did do calculus I paid people with my own money to tutor me and I was working full time and hey guess what dumbnuts Dot? I didnt need the help you get from mMummy and Daddy while you spout bullshit in here about how you live a “luxurious frugal life on your parents money whiloe doing your phd
You dont have my class or abilities and I had to work to get where I got without Mummy’s and Daddy’s little cushion under your bullshit frugal phd living arse (probably on austudy as well – ie on the public teat – go on admit it??). Thats what pisses you off the most. I did it on my own.
Its not me thats lying sunshine. Its you. You are doing post grad econ on subsidy, not on your own and plus you spend more time in here than on your studies.
You are a joke Dot.
Dot is the liar here. Why dont you fuck ofv and get a real job. Im not lying about my past but you sure as hell are lying about your present and future Mummy’s boy.
“How she prepared for calculus and matrix algebra in even first year university after leaving school at only 16 and doing nursing certs. on the job in England in the 1970s is also above my ken.
You bet its above your ken little boy. People like you get two extra years of schooling in it before they even went bto uni and still only manage pas grades.
Average students like you who take a relaxed attitude to their studies and come straight out of school and toddle off to uni on their parents purtse strings.
I wouldnt be the first mature age student who has absolutely creamed your type and i wont be the last.
Its well known in unis the mature age grades relative to school leavers like you or havent you been there (in unis) long enough Dot?
Didnt you say you taught min unis (or at least took the odd peer help class rather? Which is it Dot? Tutor or help class? There is a difference. Help classes are run by students like you.
I would expect a so called teacher at uni (tutor or lecturer) to have a much better grip on what the stats are on mature age students grades v new school leavers.
You dont know jack shit Dot and you are lying about your history”econ phd” boy.
You havent even taught in a uni (except maybe a peer help class).
Dot – Even your stats on graduates in the 1990s from unis are totally amnd completly wrong.
You are just so wrong but you get in here spout erroneous stats with the intent of proving me a liar?.
You are not only stupid. You are wrong on stats and you call yourself an econ phd student. No wonder there is a problem with economics if this is the calibre of phd students coming through now.
You are also jealous that you dont have a distinction average and jealous you didnt do uni on with no help from Mummy and Daddy (your phd studies – where you live a frugal existance on a mix of Mummy and Daddy’s money, the odd help tutorial and likely welfare money)
How do I know ?? – I now contribute to a son probably your age doing his own studies. Thankfully he is working hard, not wasting time on econ blogs insulting people you dont know, like you.
But you still cant get a distinction average can you Dot – even though you are not working?.
I admit my degree cost a lot less than yours (you have hecs) but you don’t pay it now anywway and I paid all mine upfront every semester out of my wages to get a discount (yes, funny about that, Mayne Nickless paid well and I worked hard).
You really dont know the meaning of working hard Dot. As Wreckage says “no wonder I’m angry” to have some ill informed supported upstart like you dare to question me.
Thank goodness my son isnt as rude and obnoxious and lazy as you.
No need to be sorry, Alice. I thought it funny when you’ve spent a bit of time writing to Dot and then say you have no time for him. It’s just such a female thing to say. I can relate.
To govern at all, the Democratic party must escape the stranglehold of the public-sector unions, which are among its greatest supporters. This is no small problem, nor is it merely a question of political strategy; it’s at the heart of the crisis in American politics and finance. Emanuel and other Democratic mayors and governors are beginning to realize this, even if their national counterparts are a bit slow on the uptake.
morning all
stevo
9 Oct 12 at 6:45 am
hi stevo
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 6:55 am
Goodle News promoting headline:
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1699647/Has-the-backlash-against-Alan-Jones-gone-too-far-
I reckon the tirade has eased and that SBS are trying to rev the anti Jones tirade up again.
Left is getting desperate after PM’s anti AbbottAbbottAbbott has slipped her in the Polls.
Mike of Marion
9 Oct 12 at 7:00 am
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Mike of Marion
9 Oct 12 at 7:01 am
Beautiful morning here.
Helen Armstrong
9 Oct 12 at 7:03 am
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/rise-of-the-keyboard-activists/story-e6frg6z6-1226490970319
AS the Alan Jones furore spills into a second week, some of the mightiest names in corporate Australia have quailed and withdrawn their advertising from 2GB in the face of outrage from Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Bobby Limb and Dawn Lake, the Magic Pudding, Burke and Wills, Phar Lap and Skippy the Bush Kangaroo.
…
Tony Robertson, the Australian communications director for Change.org, stands by the integrity of the organisation’s petitions.
“Claims that large numbers of fake names are being added to the Change.org petition on Alan Jones are simply wrong,” he says.
“Change.org uses some of the most sophisticated anti-spamming technology and techniques available anywhere in the world and we are confident of the integrity of our data.”
Robertson admits that false names can appear on his website, but insists that they are removed as a result of constant cleansing.
…
A counter-petition launched on Change.org late on Saturday by a dry and drolly cantankerous conservative blogger by the name of Professor Bunyip suggests the system may have holes. Yesterday it still contained contributions from Rin Tin Tin, Anna and King of Siam, Fat Albert, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Craig Thomson and at least three David Marrs long after they initially appeared.
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 7:09 am
Good morning all, from Bogan Central North.
And just for fun, I lost count of how many times I signed the Alan Jones petition. I even signed as myself once, and I see Nic Lochner has signed it a few times as well.
Okay, once was me.
No, there are no false names there at all, although there is a signature from “Wikipedia Censorship-Article”.
nilk
9 Oct 12 at 7:10 am
Drudge Headline: PEW: R 49% O 45%
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 7:15 am
Reparations? F-you.
nilk
9 Oct 12 at 7:16 am
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/revealed-the-faces-behind-the-alan-jones-pursuit/story-e6frf7jo-1226490986049
and the faces behind the petitions
Bolt has a post about the Destroy the Joint petition which has apparent affiliations to Labor
and nilk I didn’t sign the Nic Lochner petition but had fun following it one night, I recall there were a number of Kevin Rudds (one from China) and Gillard exchanging salacious messages, since then someone reported that Jesus Christ, Barack Obama, John McEnroe have signed.
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 7:19 am
Mitt Romney Just Hammered Obama On Libya In A Big, Wide-Ranging Foreign Policy Speech
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 7:19 am
Twitter Explodes After Black Actress Endorses Romney as the ‘Only Choice for Your Future’
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 7:22 am
Huff Post headline: PEW: ROMNEY UP 4
Token
9 Oct 12 at 7:28 am
You can take the Democrat out of the old south (as the values in the south no longer reflect those values), but you can’t take the old south racism out of the Democrat party.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 7:30 am
It is time to call out the ABC & SBS for their sleazy campaign for commercial advantage & ratings.
Jones apologised multiple times over a week ago ,yet they continue to act as if it never happened.
It is time to bell the cat. This is the problem that occurs when an arm of government is in competition with the private sector.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 7:33 am
I saw this on the OT last night.
It is clear Michelle Grattan’s time in politics is over.
Only discreditted organisations like the soon to be dead FauxFacts and the unrepresentative ABC would give this shrill and bitter old Abbott hater any space to speak.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 7:37 am
Once it was:
Global WarmingClimate Change
Global Climate Disruption
Now its Worldulike
Question: do I laugh or cry?
Bruce of Newcastle
9 Oct 12 at 7:38 am
Might I also add that Stacey Dash (in JamesK’s post above) is absolutely gorgeous? Just thought I’d throw that in there.
tbh
9 Oct 12 at 7:38 am
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/how_roxon_tried_to_save_a_misogynist/
Roxon’s interference in the Slipper case
and more on Trade Unions
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/turning-blind-eye-to-bad-trade-unions/story-fn8v83qk-1226490939610
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 7:39 am
What a joke.
Getting English lessons from Jarrah and Steve C.
Apparently I use infer and imply incorrectly (see below), but an inanimate object “tells” *you* what words mean?
That’s impossible.
Steve also thinks reasoning is inferior to folk contributions revised by professors who made up “rules” that never existed and varied by region, custom is better than reasoning. Nor have either of you said why it is impossible for the sender of the communication to infer something.
I’ve reasoned why I am correct under the Oxford dictionary which is the standard you have set Jarrah. You have not attacked the reasoning.
.
9 Oct 12 at 7:43 am
Is the Cat still on standard time?
Steve D
9 Oct 12 at 7:44 am
Leftism in action.
Walter Russell Mead: Argentine Death Spiral Watch
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 7:45 am
Yep. No wonder Q&A appeared to start at 8:30 last night!
Steve D
9 Oct 12 at 7:45 am
Cat sets the standard.
As an optimist I was hoping for the Jones and Abbott campaigns to backfire, like the effort in Qld. Too soon to say but it looks like it from the poll overnight. More revelations from BoltA.
Chris Smith on 2GB gave Jenna Price an interview yesterday, ordinary folk phoned in to remind people about the work that Jones does for charities.
Rafe
9 Oct 12 at 7:47 am
On Q&A last night there was a tweet saying that with the demise of the ALP, Turnbull should start a new lefty party. Something both ALP and Coalition supporters can agree on?
Steve D
9 Oct 12 at 7:50 am
Prof Bunyip has the news about a new petition – sack Mike Carlton
http://bunyipitude.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/follow-sign-curve.html#comment-form
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 7:54 am
The spelling in those Batman texts to Ashbah is absolutely appalling, I must say.
BTW, Batman, the correct spelling is “biatch”.
Rabz
9 Oct 12 at 7:56 am
Gary Johns on bad trade unions (gated).
Rafe
9 Oct 12 at 7:57 am
In honour of the great Campbell Newman who is acting like a real conservative the Cat has its time in alignment with that state.
If Red Ted & Baz wake up and remember which party they represent we may consider changing that.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 7:59 am
Turnbull gave the Alfred Deakin Lecture last night and has shown once again why he is unfit to be in the Liberal Party.
He defended the cyber bullying of Alan Jones and said Jones deserved it.
Could Turnbull turn out to be a worse Communications Minister than the current Minister? A big ask, but I’m sure Turnbull is up to it.
Johno
9 Oct 12 at 8:02 am
Turnbull went out of his way to reinforforce the Labor talking points about 2GB and AJ, oblique criticising anyone who goes on AJ’s show (i.e. Abbot & today Julie Bishop).
He is not even trying hard to hide how he actively white ants the Coalition.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 8:06 am
Genius, sheer bloody genius.
Tax, tax, tax, whinge, whinge, whinge, shut up, shut up, shut up.
You useless, marxist f*ckwits.
FFS, when is this f*cking nightmare going to be brought to a long f*cking overdue end?
Rabz
9 Oct 12 at 8:08 am
Clearly a new research branch of psychiatry is needed to keep track of the mental health of the new temporary ruling class, who can be observed going into involuntary spasms of fear, sweating and recitation aloud of incoherent gibberish at the mention of the names, Jones, Abbott, Murdoch, Rhinehart and Bolt:
The zombies just can’t stop talking about the bogeymen and women in their nightmares.
Tom
9 Oct 12 at 8:14 am
VID: Mitt Romney Gives An Address On Foreign Policy
Superb foreign policy speech by Mitt Romney – positive but a damning indictment of Obumma.
23 mins – excellent.
Recommended
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 8:16 am
POLL: Romney leads among independents 51-35…
DRUDGE.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 8:17 am
Gillard doesn’t know what a public good is.
http://delimiter.com.au/2012/10/08/it-more-valuable-than-mining-says-gillard/
Jarrah
9 Oct 12 at 8:18 am
Bruce of Newc, I guess “Fuckwits-R-Us” was taken.
Hey I live in Altona North now. I can trolley my shoppin home on foot, bitches!
Ooh Honey Honey
9 Oct 12 at 8:18 am
What is a super profit?
Let me guess – Wayne Swan thinks it is anything above the “risk free” Government bond rate? He has said this before whilst being interviewed on radio.
So a firm could earn 6% profit – let’s say they reinvest half of their profits and pay the rest out as dividends.
What dividend do shareholders get?
Would industry super funds be taxed in the same way?
The only level of tax we need is enough to pay for a cost benefits assessed spending requirement which is balanced as a budget over the economic cycle.
The best tax mix for this is royalties, a consumption tax and a land tax on unimproved capital values.
A few years ago you could say this and it was untrue: the ALP and unions want to ruin the economy.
It is true again. I can’t believe the stupidity and envy of these pricks.
.
9 Oct 12 at 8:18 am
Seconded.
Megan
9 Oct 12 at 8:19 am
Perhaps the Unions would like to give up their tax-exempt status!!!
Mike of Marion
9 Oct 12 at 8:21 am
…and you take exception to my use of infer.
She also doesn’t know what an externality is. If they couldn’t be calculated, Pigou and Coase wouldn’t have their theories and there would be less emphasis on triple bottom line accounting etc.
.
9 Oct 12 at 8:22 am
ABC Online quarantining Roxon’s official support for the abuse of women and her second beclowning in court.
Instead, their lead story is …
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 8:23 am
thanks CL – who cares what Windy thinks
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 8:26 am
“Nor have either of you said why it is impossible for the sender of the communication to infer something.”
If they infer, they’re not the sender. They can be a receiver (infer) and then be a sender (imply), but that’s acting as two different ends of a communication.
Take my advice – if you can’t figure it out, don’t use the words.
Jarrah
9 Oct 12 at 8:28 am
Now that the prematurely aged Malcolm Turnbull is back in the public sphere (after going MIA on the NBN he secretly supports), let’s talk about his passionate support for Bill Henson. Because nothing says ‘respect for females’ like a bloke talent-scouting for pre-pubescent girls in a primary school.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 8:28 am
Jarrah you are being rude and stupid.
If the sender removes all need to reason or to deduce to come to a conclusion from a but does not explicitly say x or y, they have inferred it.
There is an exception to the rule, “directly imply” is logical nonsense. Rules of English are broken to conform to reason.
.
9 Oct 12 at 8:34 am
Brilliant detailed take-down by Andrew Bolt of the GreenslimeLaborRed’s Get-Jones campaign, Malcolm Turnbull and Mercedes Benz.
I’d almost forgotten how good Bolt used regularly be
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 8:35 am
On the figures as they stand at the moment, Obama can’t win in November.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 8:38 am
There has been no greater threat to liberty and freedom of speech in Australia than Il Duce “unfettered powers” Conroy.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 8:42 am
From Bolta (via JamesK)
Keep in mind PvO & MT are very, very close. When PvO goes hard he is acting like Sununu does for Romney.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 8:45 am
“If the sender removes all need to reason or to deduce to come to a conclusion from a but does not explicitly say x or y, they have inferred it.”
No no no. Both infer and imply relate to incomplete data or non-explicit statements. If there is no reason for deduction, there is no implication by the sender OR any inference by the receiver. Get it?
Jarrah
9 Oct 12 at 8:49 am
PvO goes hard?
I hadn’t ever noticed.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 8:49 am
Chief Underpants Gnome,Conroy,needs a bottle of milk
Tal
9 Oct 12 at 8:51 am
Time is tight now. Full sentence CL:
Goes hard (throwing a wobbly like a 3 yo)…
Token
9 Oct 12 at 8:51 am
If you are non explicit but the receiver requires no reasoning, then the sender infers.
There is an exception to the rule, get over it.
.
9 Oct 12 at 8:59 am
Old Man with no electoral support endorses Yesterday’s Man with no party room support. For full story see your ALPBC (naturally).
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 8:59 am
“If you are non explicit but the receiver requires no reasoning, then the sender infers.”
No, that’s totally and utterly WRONG. Read the definition.
Jarrah
9 Oct 12 at 9:02 am
The estimable John Podhoretz goes to town:
The president has no clothes
What liberals finally learned during last week’s debate — thanks to Romney
RTWT
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 9:02 am
From now on, Peter Slipper will be known as Musselman.
Ronaldo
9 Oct 12 at 9:03 am
I’m sending Nanny Roxon a kilo of mussels
Tal
9 Oct 12 at 9:06 am
One has to wonder at the intellectual capabilities of our so-called civil libertarians; perhaps civil libertines might be a more appropriate title.
The latest utterings from this perverse group of social engineers states that CCTV seldom discourages crime, but concede that the system can assist in apprehension of the criminals.
Well, duh, it is self-evident that many social miscreants give little thought to the consequences of their crimes, as they are often committed in the heat of the moment;- the opportunity to attack a defenceless female; the site of an unlocked door. These apologies for humans are usually not capable of much rational thought; they react to basic instincts that are completely foreign to most of us.
But, heaven bless us, they are subject to reflection regret, and guilt after the event, if for no other reason, their own self-preservation.
This line of thought seems difficult for civil libertarians to grasp; they utter broad generalisation about CCTV intruding into the public’s private lives. They never give substantive examples because if they did, they would be ridiculed as they should.
So, please you do- good apologists for criminal behaviour, enlighten us all.
Dexter Rouse
9 Oct 12 at 9:08 am
White House ‘Congratulates’ Venezuela on Election
Q Speaking of foreign policy, can you react to the election results in Venezuela?
MR. CARNEY: The Venezuelan National Elections Commission has declared that President Hugo Chavez won reelection, I believe roughly 54 to 45 percent, with 90 percent reporting. We congratulate the Venezuelan people on the high level of participation, as well as on what was a relatively peaceful election process. I would note the challenger has conceded the race.
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 9:09 am
Jarrah,
You are just paring down the information as it is convenient.
If you show me I am wrong etymologically I will agree with you.
Infer means bring meaning into and imply means to integrate into a larger body of knowledge, as far as I remember.
.
9 Oct 12 at 9:12 am
Sesame Street received $1 mil stimulus bill grant – created “1.47″ jobs
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 9:13 am
Gerard Henderson on cyber bully Jenna Price:
Token
9 Oct 12 at 9:19 am
Just change the radio dial if you don’t want to hear Jones!
What’s wrong with these people!!!!!
Tal
9 Oct 12 at 9:21 am
Stuart Simson (ex- Productivity Commission) argues for media deregulation
Keith
9 Oct 12 at 9:24 am
Bunyip is in full flight – he has found a gem of a YouTube clip.
Mike of Marion
9 Oct 12 at 9:29 am
If, at a seafood buffet, Slipper enjoys mussels (even allowing that he might also find the banana prawns somewhat alluring), I don’t really see that his poor taste text is actually misogynistic.
There are plenty of women who find banana prawns more functional than positively attractive. Admittedly, probably not too many women text each other on the topic, but still…
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 9:30 am
Andy McCarthy, NRO: Obama Unfiltered
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 9:31 am
Like Bolta says, they don’t want anyone else to listen, either. I doubt 2GB’s core audience shall take much notice of that.
Steve D
9 Oct 12 at 9:33 am
Grattan tweets on Friday:
Grattan lectures the world today:
Token
9 Oct 12 at 9:34 am
The usually razor sharp Christopher Pyne and the stuttering old bone head Piers Ackerman were hopelessly remiss on Q&A when Tony Jones started raving on about the Bondi “race riot.”
Couldn’t one of them have made the obvious interjection?
“Hey, you know who else started a race riot?”
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 9:50 am
Yeah but you’re a person who once saw the funny side of an adolescent girl hospitalised after a horse-rding accident.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 9:52 am
There was a race riot in Bondi?
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 10:00 am
The woman-hating queen Peter Slipper’s text were repulsive and offensive to women, but Dogshit says they were necessary to uphold Labor’s repulsive, offensive double standards.
You really are a gutter crawler, Dogshit. You disgust me.
Tom
9 Oct 12 at 10:01 am
LOL.
Crybaby Julia Gillard won’t condemn Slipper.
The ABC reports:
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 10:01 am
Cronulla, sorry.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 10:02 am
Well, Tom, when you have a Member for Gutter, you need to have people situated in the Electorate of Gutter as well.
dover_beach
9 Oct 12 at 10:03 am
Bumped from the old Open:
Wrinkly old slut, Madonna – ‘brave and ‘edgy’ mocker of religion – folds:
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 10:05 am
That’ll be the most telling epitaph to this foul repugnant Labor government.
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 10:06 am
The Islamists have the world well trained.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 10:06 am
Token says
“Turnbull went out of his way to reinforforce the Labor talking points about 2GB and AJ, oblique criticising anyone who goes on AJ’s show (i.e. Abbot & today Julie Bishop).
He is not even trying hard to hide how he actively white ants the Coalition.”
I dont think Turnbull white ants anything except a bunch of extreme nutters on the right of conservative politics.
Turnbull calls Jones claim of cyber bullying for what it is. A blatantly pathetic attempt for the bullying by Jones on the airwaves for so long to be transferred as a railing against the freedom of new media to carry the power of many voices, instead of only him.
Jones has been a distasteful, disrespectful inciter of hatred and lead mouuthpiece in a destructive and vicious public discourse for too long.
Jones has been regulated, at last, not by any government authority, but by the freedom of thousands of people who have simmered in silence at his rantings and hate campaigns over decades.
Good on Malcolm Turnbull. Its good to see some in the conservative party dont make a living out of the unchecked use of insults, nastiness and vitriol
Unlike some in here known as Dot.
By the way Dot – Im keeping a tally of your rude and nasty comments to others. Ill surprise you with it one day, Mr rude and stupid.
Alice
9 Oct 12 at 10:08 am
Flies are buzzing real loud today.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 10:10 am
Vote 1, Malcolm Turnbull: a Bill Henson lithograph for every Australian.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 10:11 am
SeriouslymAlice fuck off. Ypu fill this thread with malignant gibberish from dawn ’til dusk.
Just take 20mg of Valium with half a bottle of Bundy and chill.
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 10:11 am
Heh. so I was right last night.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 10:12 am
11 April 2009:
Why is Malcolm Turnbull so unpopular?
AND:
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 10:15 am
Gillard has made a landmark speech this morning, it will go down in history as the “I have a dream we won’t bother” speech.
dover_beach
9 Oct 12 at 10:16 am
They don’t listen to him. They don’t know anything about him. They know he’s pure evil not by what they’ve heard him say but what other people say about the things he’s said – the problem is the other people don’t listen to him either, they’re just repeating what they’ve heard, etc, etc.
And on that basis they know in their bones that they must crusade and rant and rave that he must be silenced – it’s for the good of democracy.
Dangerous thinking that has been formenting in the pop-left since bush, starting in the US with their rage against Coulter and Limbaugh’s “hate speech” and now infecting the broad pop-left here (and as we all know – the Australian left haven’t had an original idea since about 1890 so that’s only normal).
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 10:17 am
With the Shell-less Mussel Man about to go down for the last time the search for a replacement Speaker must be under way.Someone who failed to make it as Australia’s first President and couldn’t even hang on as Leader of the Opposition might find the position attractive.A chance to stick it up Tony Abbott and become the hero of the “Progressives”. Come on down Malcolm.
Lew
9 Oct 12 at 10:19 am
Perhaps it’s better for Madonna to err on the side of safety for her kid’s sake, if not for hers.
candy
9 Oct 12 at 10:21 am
With all the outrage about AJ, everyone was asking about Carr’s employing Bob Ellis.
[H/t to PvO for doing what no-one else in the country has done and raise it with the man who brings such a Fresh-air withh his approach to politics]
Shorter, F**k You…
Token
9 Oct 12 at 10:21 am
[H/t Cut & Paste in The Australian]
Token
9 Oct 12 at 10:22 am
All this talk of mussels – does Slipper speak French?
A common (butvery impolite) expression is ‘la moule qui baille’ – literally a yawning mussel. Will leave the actual meaning to the imagination.
papachango
9 Oct 12 at 10:22 am
I want to copy a post i made to the SMH (in vain, most likely as their readership are mostly beyond reason, but i digress), for discussion here.
As an addition to the below post, i want to say that i do not believe in imposing conditions on rights, as they then cease to be rights, but mere privileges, which can be taken away. In the context of free speech, the only valid argument is to what extent free speech applies i.e. at what point does the spoken word go beyond opinion to calls to deny other peoples’ rights?
Please note that due to word constraints, i was unable to qualify my last paragraph below. Please discuss!
“There is a simple solution to all this, which never gets a mention. The same principle should apply to freedom of speech that applies to freedom in general – you can do whatever you want up to the point at which it impedes other peoples’ rights. This is the reason for the left’s push to elevate not being offended to being a right. It’s total bunkum, and has never existed in human history (excepting anti-blasphemy laws under a different guise). It is being elevated as a tool to crush dissent, as offence is so subjective as to effectively apply to anything you want. To those in power, this is the ultimate weapon, as it effectively enables censorship of anything it wants, especially criticism of itself.
This should be the test as to what can be legally said and not said, in terms of being mere opinion versus calls to action, the latter potentially impeding on others’ rights. That test would fail the “chaff bag” comments, but not the morally repugnant “died of shame” comment. It would fail the “beheading” sign at the riot. It would not fail the boycotts of Alan Jones, but would fail the intimidation of third parties to boycott Jones against their will. It would also possibly not fail Bolt’s comments as inaccuracy in itself in insufficient to impede others’ rights. The true question in the Bolt case should have been whether harm was done to the accused beyond mere offence. If such harm was defamatory, then those laws should have applied. If the harm was racial, then those laws should apply.
The only case for more legislation is to expand the anti-vilification laws beyond the restrictions of race to protect individuals from potential harm.”
On this last point, calling for harm to third parties does not come under freedom of speech, rather than applying a condition to it. I do not necessarily support changes to these laws, as it would likely be hijacked by the left to become another weapon in their arsenal.
Twodogs
9 Oct 12 at 10:26 am
Social Media presents quite the conundrum for Labor.
On the one hand “conservative” types are outnumbered at least 50 / 1 on Twitter and FB by raging “ironic” black humoured leftists so they can’t shut it down without shutting down their base. On the other hand it gives the average joe schmoe Liberal voter the chance to take it to ALP types and their praetorian guard for the first time in decades.
Mind you it’s only about 1% of what the left have dished out – we won’t for instance riot through parliament or force the taxpayer to fund our CD’s and books to insult them but it’s a start.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 10:30 am
The Telegraph is reporting that Daryl Melham has resigned as Chairman of Caucus.The poor little petal is “sick of the arrogance of the Cabinet and the way many Ministers treated Backbenchers”.
Lew
9 Oct 12 at 10:31 am
Good find, CL. No one should ever forget that when leftist journalists and cretinous parasites like “independent” Tony Wanksaur call for Turnbull to take the leadership it’s only because they want the Coalition to lose the election. There is literally no other reason. Don’t trust the fuckers.
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 10:33 am
dot, where did you get that definition, I have never seen anything like it. Please don’t just say, “I remember”, remember from where?
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 10:36 am
Talking about externalities:
Puma scales up environmental profit and loss reporting to a product level
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 10:38 am
Gees, the knifing of Rudd really improved the way Cabinet functioned under Labor.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 10:40 am
The song remains the same.
dd
9 Oct 12 at 10:42 am
It’s just a service they’re offering customers who want eco information. It also differentiates their brand from Nike, which has been damaged as rapacious capitalists.
Don’t think this is a dawning of a new age of economics, or anything like that SteveC. Nothing going on here except the market at work.
dd
9 Oct 12 at 10:44 am
How many times have we seen these marketing campaigns before?
Give it 18 months and the CEO will be walked out of the building for pathetic earnings by an angry board (which of course SteveC / ABC / Guardian) will not report.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 10:44 am
Puma does lovely PR exercise in promoting “vironmetal” P&L to deflect from the GAAP p&l. Can’t have those nasty profits, must off-set with ‘vironmental and the dummies will buy the PR exercise without a second thought. Excellent work, Puma.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 10:45 am
Gillard loses her caucus chairman Daryl Melham, regarded as vital to the stability of federal Labor:
Tom
9 Oct 12 at 10:45 am
Hey, I’ve managed to discuss and sicken Tom already today. I’ll have to hi-5 myself.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 10:47 am
disgust… not discuss.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 10:48 am
One thing I find quite odd about the Slipper texts is that a large number were sent to Ashby in November, before Ashby starting working for Slipper. Why would anyone think it was a good idea to accept a job offer from someone who had been sending those kind of text messages?
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 10:50 am
“Could Turnbull turn out to be a worse Communications Minister than the current Minister? A big ask, but I’m sure Turnbull is up to it.”
This reminds me of playing cricket once, facing a demon speedster while my batting partner faced a trundler for many overs without changing ends. He saw no need to run singles, even though he couldn’t hit 4′s or singles, as he was as hopeless as the bowler. I still remember the frustration!
Twodogs
9 Oct 12 at 10:50 am
Great way to fend of political campaigns focusing on the rights of workers in the 3rd world creating the shoes. Nike has done a few of these over the years.
For those that care, this is another version of the Triple Bottom Line fad which went out of style once the GFC forced businesses to focus on staying alive.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 10:50 am
I really thought the article was old, Tom, and was about Rudd. Good to see Gillard emulate the man she knifed in the back for similar behaviour.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 10:51 am
Rudd looms:
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 10:51 am
So Daryl Melham resigns after eight years – including three in which Rudd reduced not just caucus but also Cabinet to impotency. Good to see a man upholding Labor principles.
I’d hate to think it was just the usual difficulties rats have with sinking ships.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 10:53 am
AHAHAHAHAHAHA! I bet you said that with a straight face too, Mike.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 10:57 am
IMF’s gloomy forecast for the world economy:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-09/imf-lowers-growth-forecast/4302666
Meanwhile, the building industry’s stuffed, mining is cutting back and the Federal government is spending on the credit card like there’s no tomorrow. Hunker down, folks, we’re in for a bumpy ride.
The Coalition needs to adopt Clinton’s campaign mantra “It’s the economy, stupid!” They should be hammering the Government every single day on this. Pity their finance spokespeople are so weak. Someone like Arthur Sinodinos, who really understands economics and is many times smarter than dopey Joe Hockey, should be front and centre.
johanna
9 Oct 12 at 10:58 am
CL, do you have anything more recent on Turnbull, like Turnbull firms as preferred leader, sep 17, 2012? Your article was comparing Rudd and Turnbull, whereas the current comparison is Turnbull/Abbott vs Gillard
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 10:58 am
I don’t agree. I think the media pick up everything he says and twist it to look like white anting.
Sure, he genuflected – as they all have been – to the offensiveness of that what Jones said, but then having dispensed with that formality he defended freedom of speech. And in terms of white-anting, the evidence is the other way. Keep in mind that he sucked it up and voted against same sex marriage, despite being personally in favour of the bill.
The only way to stop this spin would be to shut up and say nothing, but he probably figures, “why let them win.”
dd
9 Oct 12 at 11:00 am
3.3% is gloomy Johanna?
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 11:00 am
Windsor endorsing Turnbull, that’s gonna hurt Turnbull.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 11:01 am
Daryl Melham is a misogynist.
Steve of Ferny Hills
9 Oct 12 at 11:02 am
Can you read, Steve? From the article:
“However, the fund says its modelling shows the risk of recession is “alarmingly high”, with a 17 per cent chance that global growth will miss its forecasts and come in below 2 per cent, which would be consistent with a recession in advanced economies.
Another IMF staff model suggests a 15 per cent chance of recession in the US next year, a one-in-four chance that Japan will slip into recession, and an 80 per cent likelihood of a euro area recession.
The IMF has lowered its expectations for Chinese growth, forecasting a 7.8 per cent expansion this year and a modest pickup to 8.2 per cent as stimulus measures, such as interest rate cuts, take more effect. “
johanna
9 Oct 12 at 11:03 am
If it was Chris Pyne or Joe Hockey or (especially) Barnaby Joyce there would be endless comments noting it was bad politics and ill disciplined.
The reason Turnbull does not get slammed for indulgently walking away from the “message” is because the lefty media want to encourage him to do it.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 11:04 am
For the most part, that’s right, but it is possible to explicitly state an inference, so a sender can infer.
Fleeced
9 Oct 12 at 11:06 am
“Windsor endorsing Turnbull, that’s gonna hurt Turnbull.”
Perhaps he would endorse anyone who’s not Tony Abbott.
candy
9 Oct 12 at 11:06 am
That’s the point of it all, James in that excellent article. Vote for the First black [sic] president and be part of history.
Same in Australia, vote for the first female PM and be a part of history.
Nothing else matters.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 11:08 am
sure I can read johanna, can you comprehend probability?
“However, the fund says its modelling shows the risk of recession is “alarmingly high”, with a 17 per cent chance that global growth will miss its forecasts and come in below 2 per cent, which would be consistent with a recession in advanced economies.
15 per cent chance of recession in the US next year, a one-in-four chance that Japan will slip into recession,
The IMF has lowered its expectations for Chinese growth, forecasting a 7.8 per cent expansion this year and a modest pickup to 8.2 per cent as stimulus measures, such as interest rate cuts, take more effect. “
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 11:10 am
That’s a naive and generous interpretation.
You are partly correct of course.
Rhetorically he defended free speech
But Turnbull maintained a lie that he must have known to be a lie; namely that this was just a democratic response with technology “empowering” normal people.
Blah blah…Jones can dish it out and now he’s getting a righteous dose of his own medicine or somesuch.
It’s utter bollocks of course
Most likely what’s happened as Bolt and Bunyip have demonstrated is that it’s all ‘Get Up’ leftist activism with a few hundred mounting possibly 100,000 ‘signatures’.
And Turnbull fucking well knows that.
But Tuernbull didn’t question the proveneace of the online ‘petition’ nor did he suggest that might be a problem.
Quite the opposite in fact
This is really not that much different to the Greenslimes’ BDS thuggery and Turnbull was just being Turnbull.
Firstly disingenuous and secondly pay back against his own enemies and thirdly sirring the pot in (forlorn) hope of an opportunity yet to materialise
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 11:11 am
How come nobody’s drawn the obvious parallel between Jones trash-talking Gillard, and the recent QandA panel trash-talking Gina Rinehart?
Wasn’t that stuff just as offensive as anything Jones said? I await someone, somewhere (not me) to join the dots.
dd
9 Oct 12 at 11:15 am
Today the Coalition had planned out a strategy to exploit Slipper’s words and throw it back at the Handbag Hitsquad.
Julie Bishop was on AJ this morning working on that meme. The headline is in The Australian.
This faulters as the ABC was able to clip the quote from Turnbull last night and use it to re-fuel the AJ meme.
Now, Abbott & Bishop have to defend the jaunt by Turnbull and momementum is lost.
Name one Labor Minister who would make such a mistake?
Token
9 Oct 12 at 11:16 am
From memory Bolt did that last week, DD, in one of his columns. But you’re right in that it hasn’t been noted elsewhere in the media.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 11:17 am
Blithering anti-Christian idiot to step down as Archbishop of Canterbury…
From the ALPBC:
Iowahawk said it best:
Heere Bigynneth the Tale of the Asse-Hatte
Rabz
9 Oct 12 at 11:23 am
No, it wasn’t.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 11:26 am
Fixed.
Rabz
9 Oct 12 at 11:29 am
You are right liar.
It was worse.
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 11:29 am
but suddenly Bi-polar Ni-cola says she won’t interfere in cort case. When you look up the definition hypocrisy, there’s just a picture of the Labor frontbench.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 11:30 am
Form as a saboteur:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/treacherous_turnbull/
Ivan Denisovich
9 Oct 12 at 11:32 am
why not? It was done on national TV, whereas Jones comments were made verbally at a private function.
And it went on and on and on, mockery upon insult upon mockery, as opposed to Jones’ snide one-liner.
No politician condemned that episode.
dd
9 Oct 12 at 11:33 am
SfB:
Just fuck off you despicable, dishonest, intellectually immature asshat.
Huckleberry Chunkwot
9 Oct 12 at 11:33 am
No – it empowering The Mob.
Viva
9 Oct 12 at 11:38 am
More important than what Jones said:
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 11:39 am
Steve – Ive managed to piss off James K. High five to me too. Dot must be down the Dole office collecting his bennies.
Agree re “wasnt that stuff just as offensive as anything Jones said”
No it wasnt.
At least some conservatives are not insane enough to maintain defense in the face of the indefensible from Jones now. This wasnt his only nasty rude comment – he has been at it for years and yes he has lowered public discourse to a destructive level. Trouble is he is losing his grip.
Time to go AL. There are many conservatives who think so as well
Alice
9 Oct 12 at 11:40 am
I wasn’t quoting you. I was giving you an example of how logic works. No wonder you are surprised.
You’re the kind of idiot that reads a mathematical proof and quips “citation needed!”.
You can’t think for yourself you dummy. Do you even know the etymology of imply and infer? If you knew that you wouldn’t be so stuck on this “rule” of English which you think is unlike all others, in that you think (wrongly) that it has no exceptions.
Try to learn how to think for yourself.
.
9 Oct 12 at 11:46 am
Yeah, well, I already made an argument as to why it was equivalent. Therefore, just sticking out your lip and pouting “no it wasn’t” won’t cut it.
dd
9 Oct 12 at 11:46 am
Rabz (@ 11.23am) – funniest link for a while.
Curiously enough also featuring the Musselmans, although not as we know him.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 11:46 am
Alice,
Are you still going to sue me? Why would you sue someone you think is on welfare? Why do you spend your time here picking fights?
You still haven’t explained to me why capital controls are good if India had such troubles generating poverty ameliorating growth pre 1992.
I’m interested in international economic issues and I could learn a thing or two from a tenured academic.
.
9 Oct 12 at 11:48 am
SOLD!
.
9 Oct 12 at 11:50 am
I object to QandA’s treatment of Rinehart.
Let’s show the power of social media: Let’s organise a boycott of their sponsors!
Oh wait….
dd
9 Oct 12 at 11:51 am
Change the channel Alice
Tal
9 Oct 12 at 11:51 am
Is Alice for real?
WHy is it with wankers like her that evrything her side does is noble whilst everything conservatives do is ‘hate-filled’?
She has it exactly the wrong way around, the conservatives are noble and brilliant people. It is the left who are the cry-babies who can dish it out but can’t take it.
Have you notice, Alice, that we on the right love lefties to talk, because they give away how stupid their ideolgy is evry time they do so. On the other hand lefties always want to shut down debate, because they know that in a fair fight they crum,ple like Obama did in Denver.
Rococo Liberal
9 Oct 12 at 11:51 am
I would expect a lot of European companies would be keen to develop an environmental profit and loss account. GAAP hasn’t really been working for them for a while now.
Anybody got change for a polar bear?
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 11:53 am
Alice, it might be beyond my ken, but why would someone who thinks Tony Abbot and the Irish are fanatics for being anti abortion condemn someone of the same profession to damnation for simply holding the view that banks should be run efficiently with an aim to earn a profit?
Can you explain what theological grounds you base this on?
.
9 Oct 12 at 11:54 am
Sorry dot, but jarrah is right. From which statement you may legitimately infer that I believe that you are wrong. I am indeed implying that you are wrong.
Doesn’t often happen that way around!
DrBeauGan
9 Oct 12 at 11:55 am
Nature, aint’t it grand.
Some awesome time lapse filmed within the video.
Rudiau
9 Oct 12 at 11:55 am
I reckon Alice, Alicia and philomena are one in the same, but I am giving Alice a chance to disprove this.
.
9 Oct 12 at 11:56 am
How come no one ever mentions seals? It’s all about those dumb poley bears. It’s raaaaacist I tells ya.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 11:56 am
“Now, Abbott & Bishop have to defend the jaunt by Turnbull and momementum is lost.”
Not really, no-one really particularly cares about what M. Turnbull says. He just doesn’t register much on the interest scale with people, particularly women.
Sad, but true.
candy
9 Oct 12 at 11:56 am
David Marr offered a character assessment of Gina based on her litigation with her children. It was probably too strongly stated – but there is no doubt anyone objective reading reporting on the case so would feel that the case does not reflect well on her character.
Humphrey’s comments, of course, have to be seen in light of his renown for characters that do poor taste double entendre as their shtick. Undoubtedly in poor taste, but partly amusing only in light of their “shock” value for being in such poor taste while not in actual character.
The English woman said she was “unattractive”, like herself. Um, physically, she’s no model. Nicola Roxon has for years and years been called at this blog fat, ugly, greasy haired etc. D-d raises no objection to this, but goes in to bat for the squillionaire with one bout of attack on TV.
The whole episode was not very fair to Gina.
It also had nothing to do with her grieving for a recently deceased and loved relative; nor was it invented out of whole cloth, as is this whole “her father must have died of shame” business.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 11:59 am
Ms mAlice
℞: Double the dose on my earlier prescription.
So: 40mgm Valium and a full bottle of Bundy
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 12:01 pm
Teen has stomach removed after drinking liquid nitrogen cocktail
WTF?!
Fleeced
9 Oct 12 at 12:02 pm
And Ms mAlice, don’t forget to chill.
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 12:02 pm
Bundy and liquid nitrogen are an explosive combo
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 12:04 pm
There’s a touch of Obama about it…
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/rpg_hits_the_rotors/
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 12:05 pm
Why is Alice going to sue me? Isn’t my eternal damnation enough suffering? Am I worse than Hitler?
.
9 Oct 12 at 12:06 pm
Well scum like liar and Marr anyways.
Most anyone else knew they were being played by the leftist hateful MSM
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 12:06 pm
JamesK continues the habit: 100 variations of “Bollocks! You’re lying!”
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 12:07 pm
AJ offered a character assessment of Julia based on her political statements and actions. It was probably too strongly stated – but there is no doubt any objective reading reporting on Julia’s case would feel that the case does not reflect well on her character.
FTFY, sfb.
dover_beach
9 Oct 12 at 12:08 pm
I guess I’m out of touch… I didn’t realise drinking liquid nitrogen was a “thing”. Unbelievable.
Fleeced
9 Oct 12 at 12:09 pm
Don’t be cruel liar-steve®.
I didn’t say you lied that time.
Just you and your ilk such as the loathsome Marr chose to believe lies and filled the gap where lies refused to tread.
You scumbag.
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 12:11 pm
Honestly, JamesK, why do you bother rewarding SFB with a comment?
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 12:13 pm
I don’t consider them rewards Gab; they are vacuous and show what a repetitive dimwit JamesK is. I’d be perfectly happy for him to stop being a boring twit.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 12:15 pm
LOL
To be fair Gab, I don’t elevate his drivel by engaging in a debate of his mad assertions.
I just take them down.
That’s fair enough surely?
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 12:15 pm
The panel – notably Holy Tony Jones – laughed at a joke about Gina’s “hole.”
You’re a moral imbecile, Steve, and badly placed to comment given your track record – which includes an expressed desire to smash Gab in the face.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 12:15 pm
Even Phil Coorey admits Gillard has fucked up royally:
Abbott wins again.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 12:17 pm
LOL
From the Cat’s very own disgusting inadequate excuse for manhood
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 12:17 pm
Let me make it clearer dot, where did you get that definition, I have never seen anything like it. in any dictionary, anywhere.
Did you know you can’t just make up your own definitions to suit? Please explain how your dotionary etymology of infer is used to derive your assumed meaning.
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 12:18 pm
If Abbott is smart he’ll appear on Alan Jones show in the coming days.
Infidel Tiger
9 Oct 12 at 12:19 pm
Jamesk it just lowers this site into a Facebook universe, his stupid comments purely placed to elicit a reaction and then the thread just descends into a childish brawl. Maybe I’m just fed up with the same thing being played out with monotonous regularity. He shakes his tail feathers to get a response and then he gets his reward in the form of a responses.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 12:19 pm
CL, people know you lie. Soon you’ll have escalated my comment to Gab into a threat to arrange a pair of concrete shoes to be worn in Port Phillip Bay, or some such.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 12:20 pm
“creature” good choice of words by Mr Abbott, i really like that one.
candy
9 Oct 12 at 12:20 pm
Steve from Brisbane on serial husband rooter and sacked crime facilitator Julia Gillard?
No, Gina Rinehart!
Do you want to smash her in the face too, Steve – like Gab?
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 12:22 pm
Steve is saying it would be OK if, say, Andrew Bolt made a joke about Nicola Roxon’s hole on Sunday.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 12:25 pm
More important than talking about Jones or SFB:
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/08/bombshell-state-told-libya-security-officers-to-stop-asking-for-more-support/
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 12:25 pm
Steve C you dummy. Dictionaries do not have examples like the one I showed you. It wasn’t a definition so you’re just polishing your knob with your rhetorical flushes. It doesn’t mean the example is wrong, fuckhead. Nor did I ever assert that I got it from a dictionary.
Please tell me why etymologically I am wrong anyway.
.
9 Oct 12 at 12:25 pm
I’ve long been concerned about the mental health of the average leftist. Since the election of Rudd and Obama the hypocrisy, about face turning and long lectures explaining why it was ok to now support what minutes before they had been hysterically denouncing was damaging to the psyche but manageable. But since the Gillard knifing and then the Abbott leadership the self delusion and lying has gone to such dizzying heights that surely the tether to reality has in many cases broken.
What started as just a bit of holding-the-nose cynical agenda pushing has now become a full blown anything goes moral collapse by much of the pop-left.
Surely a mass mental breakdown is just around the corner.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 12:27 pm
Updated questionnaire for you dot, (including answers so far)
Please tell us what year you were born?
How many years did you train as an economist? (BEcon(Hons)) = 4?
How many years have you worked as an economist?
Are you currently working?
In what position?
If you are working, how do you find so much time for posting on this blog?
What is the subject of your PhD?
As a student are you receiving any government provided living allowance?
Are you in receipt of a government grant for your PhD research?
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 12:29 pm
No, you slut-calling moron, because Bolt is not Humphreys and there would be no context at all for why such a poor taste attempt at double entendre would be made.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 12:29 pm
Hilarious story of the week:
Taliban Threatens Code Pink Activists Protesting Drone Strikes With Suicide Bombers.
Sarah Hoyt at Instapundit:
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 12:31 pm
CL’s pathetic attempts at denying the importance of context are like a high school debating tactic he’s never shaken off.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 12:31 pm
I don’t know about their mental health, twostix, you could be right but for me it’s more about the character of the person. Or the lack of it, as they display on a daily basis. No shame, no conscience, no character.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 12:32 pm
So Bolt should just invite Humphreys on then, and they can have a grand old time says SfB.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 12:33 pm
Oh I see.
Steve is saying a panel laughing at Gina Rinehart’s “hole” was OK because it was in “context.”
Mmm. Mmm.
Thanks, Steve.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 12:33 pm
Some of the “men” that went along supporting their “female” friends also dressed up in the vagina suits. Freud would have a field day with that.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 12:34 pm
dot, others have suggested you are fairly young (I don’t know if that is correct). Do you accept the use of “versing” as a verb as in “who are we versing” to mean who is our opposition in a game?
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 12:35 pm
Expect Gillard to do the same thing with Slipper as Nauru.
Do the right thing when everything else has failed.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 12:35 pm
Another triumph for the Gillard ‘government’:
2011:
2012:
- Bunyip via Blair.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 12:36 pm
Yes, I had posted that already, CL, but it got missed with all the SFB nonsense.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 12:37 pm
Oh my, isn’t Gab all high and mighty and principled today?
People with Gillard Derangement Syndrome never recognize that they are suffering from it.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 12:37 pm
Of course Alice is Phil. All the indicia including the self-aggrsndising (but still vague) CV are there.
dragnet
9 Oct 12 at 12:37 pm
That’s disgraceful. Did you ever apologise sfb ?
Keith
9 Oct 12 at 12:40 pm
Sorry, Gab. But you know me re scrolling…
http://imageshack.us/a/img94/6921/35377893.jpg
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 12:41 pm
” NSW wants to follow Qld’s CSG lead
THE NSW government is planning to increase its stake in the coal seam gas industry so it can enjoy the resources boom Queensland is experiencing.”
The NSW government could do well to follow more of Newman’s policies.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 12:42 pm
When, at Gillards direction, the pop-left in this country within literally one minute abandoned 10 years of “moral” rejection of off shore processing to forcefully and bitterly argue for what was the excellent idea ever of sending women and children to Malaysia where many would be caned and sent into sex slavery I said to poor old m0nty “Look at what they make you give” as he guiltily prosecuted the ALP cause and self betrayal.
Now look at where they are – defending Peter Slipper while calling a family man with three daughters a woman hater and efending the ABC laughing at a womans “hole” on prime time TV while denouncing Jones for a private comment.
Mute on thug Conroys desire to “manage” newspapers due to coverage the ALP doesn’t like.
You know the list it’s endless.
It’s become an illness.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 12:42 pm
http://michellemalkin.com/2012/10/08/bankrupt-green-loan-lose-abound-solar-under-investigation-in-colorado/
Ivan Denisovich
9 Oct 12 at 12:43 pm
ftfy
Keith
9 Oct 12 at 12:44 pm
lol no, CL, I wasn’t chastising you, merely pointing out how important and worthy-of-discussion issues get missed on this thread because of SFB inanities and people taking his bait, is all.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 12:44 pm
Read on:
http://michellemalkin.com/2012/10/08/who-will-vet-the-story-teller-in-chiefs-latest-obamacare-anecdote/
Ivan Denisovich
9 Oct 12 at 12:44 pm
Do you have a single original thought in your head?
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 12:45 pm
Michelle Grattan, May 2012:
Changing stories on Slipper saga put Coalition in the frame.
Michelle Grattan, today:
Face it, Prime Minister: Slipper is not fit for high office.
Your quality deans of the ‘press gallery’ at work.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 12:47 pm
LOL. Gab the high minded and principled continues.
Keith: you’re a very silly man if you believe the CL re-tells things.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 12:47 pm
twostix, you’re a fellow sufferer. In fact, it’s rather like this blog was made for them.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 12:49 pm
Good point, Gab.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 12:50 pm
Steve,
I work for myself and live frugally. I have never been on benefits. My Ph D topic is way over your head – you can’t even think for yourself. You are not worth the time it takes to mention the long title of it. You are a moron who accepts arguments from authority over reason. Given I am your social better – fuck off.
.
9 Oct 12 at 12:50 pm
Low temperature records overwhelm highs in the USA this past week – where’s the media to tell us how this should be viewed?
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 12:51 pm
Keith, you can trust me or the ‘man’ who just argued that ridiculing Gina Rinehart’s “hole” on the ABC was acceptable because it was in “context.”
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 12:52 pm
Dot, you ought to have ‘sustainability’ and ‘climate change’ in the title. Gillard will throw money at you with glee lol
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 12:52 pm
I partly quit my old job because I was sick of the knee padding to special interests and the ALP.
No thanks. I am fool but I have pride.
.
9 Oct 12 at 12:55 pm
He has no excuse for not doing the housework as liar-steve®’s clock is kept sparkling by so many others
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 12:55 pm
When even Mrs Magoo can see Labor has a problem you know things are crook.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 12:57 pm
Has anyone ever seen Mrs Magoo and Jabba in the same room?
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 12:59 pm
translated “I haven’t had one accepted yet”
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 1:02 pm
Yeah CL, you don’t understand context. Insulting Gina is ok, coz she’s a righty. Insulting Gillard is misogynist, because she’s of the left. How hard is context to understand? Sheesh!
Fleeced
9 Oct 12 at 1:04 pm
The abstract could be interesting
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 1:04 pm
Lol I don’t care about Gillard – except that she’s the best thing to ever happen to the ALP, she’s killing them and she’s killing the leftist feminist political movement in this country.
Both excellent things.
I just demand that she be vetted as Abbott has been which means full and frank front page discussions of her very, very sordid past. Starting with her presiding over an organisation that called all men rapists…detouring through chasing three married fathers while aiding one of them to embezzle a million bucks and being sacked for it, then a short stop over at 1000 dead bodies floating of the west coast of Australia courtesy of her policy failure and pride and finally ending with…well we don’t know yet now do we?
But we’re going to have fun finding out.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 1:05 pm
No, you’re right Steve, I’m not really doing Ph D in economics at all, I’m doing a DDiv in why Jesus rode dinosaurs etc.
Chucklehead.
.
9 Oct 12 at 1:06 pm
Three? Emerson, Wilson and…?
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 1:07 pm
Updated questionnaire for you dot, (including answers so far)
Please tell us what year you were born?
How many years did you train as an economist? (BEcon(Hons)) = 4?
How many years have you worked as an economist?
Are you currently working? Yes, self employed
In what position?
If you are working, how do you find so much time for posting on this blog?
What is the subject of your PhD? Industrial Economics
As a student are you receiving any government provided living allowance? No
Are you in receipt of a government grant for your PhD research? No
Do you own a dictionary?
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 1:15 pm
Alternatively, you could be called the lying slapper – you frequently lie, and you have indicated a propensity to slap people.
Keith
9 Oct 12 at 1:18 pm
Three? Emerson, Wilson and…?
Oops two not three.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 1:18 pm
What was Romney’s line in the debate?
Subsidizing green energy summed up.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 1:19 pm
Well, two that we know of at any rate.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 1:19 pm
Hoist by own petard eh Steve?
.
9 Oct 12 at 1:20 pm
Abbott.
Rudiau
9 Oct 12 at 1:23 pm
Rest assured I have been keeping score on reliability of posts here. sfb actually has a negative score due to his frequent posting of links that actually say the opposite of what he’d like to think they said. Last week was a stand out effort.
Keith
9 Oct 12 at 1:24 pm
“Right wing” economist spills his guts.
http://www.menzieshouse.com.au/2011/09/three-rules-for-being-an-economist.html#more
Even Alice would agree. Is he going to hell, Alice? or is that just me?
.
9 Oct 12 at 1:25 pm
Flashback 2007:
Julia Gillard’s partner in plea
LOL A “flamboyant” hair product salesman.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/gillard-lovers-dark-past/story-e6freuy9-1111114637949
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 1:25 pm
You really don’t miss anything by skipping over every comment posted by the trolls. As I said earlier, they are like flies buzzing.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 1:26 pm
Gab, I presume you can’t object to me being a distraction if I respond directly to one of your own comments.
This NOAA page keeps a tally of record high and low temperatures for the US over varying periods.
In the last 12 months there have been 32,754 record highs, versus 6,629 record minimums. (I think I am making the right comparison from the table.)
The reason the media is not reporting a week in which there were a couple of hundred record low temperature compared to high records is: it does nothing to change the fact that it has been a very hot year in the US.
As they have for a few decades now, records highs have been outstripping record lows by a considerable margin.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 1:27 pm
Why is the trend downwards?
What about significance or influence of data points?
.
9 Oct 12 at 1:29 pm
Touché
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 1:30 pm
Keith joins the CL fan club. There is no hope for him.
I trust you’re on board with “Churchill was a war criminal,” and an unmarried woman with a boyfriend is a promiscuous slut*, then…
* only if you are on the Left of politics, of course.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 1:33 pm
What a surprise, the Obama Phone program was another scheme to channel taxpayer funds to one of his donors.
I trust the man will face criminal charges when all these schemes are figured out as the Sun King’s admin has seen more money funnelled to donors than any previous presidency.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 1:35 pm
For what I am talking about, they aren’t.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 1:37 pm
Wait, so he’s not even a hairdresser? Just a hair product salesman?
Fleeced
9 Oct 12 at 1:39 pm
My you are defensive today sfb. Keep on throwing your faeces sfb. This concludes my monthly interaction with you.
Keith
9 Oct 12 at 1:43 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahaaaaaaa!
That contends for the most hilarious thing Dot has ever said. He asserts that you can’t learn anything from books because they’re inanimate objects. Apparently he’s an actual stone-age conservative, because he only believes in oral traditions of stories passed down around campfires.
m0nty
9 Oct 12 at 1:46 pm
LOL.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 1:46 pm
Abbott to move a motion in Parliament to have Slipper booted.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 1:49 pm
PM Fantapants is going bonkers in Parliament.
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 1:50 pm
H B Bear 9 Oct 12 at 12:35 pm:
…and still mess it up.
Steve D
9 Oct 12 at 1:50 pm
No consensus on the “consensus”: Michael Mann tries to turn 75 scientists into “perhaps 10K” scientists
Which of course doesn’t work for shameless liars like liar-steve®
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 1:51 pm
Well, an in depth discussion of seafood vis a vis genitalia in Parliament is something to look forward to.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 1:52 pm
The Lying Rodent refuses to back getting rid of Slipper.
Gillard hates real women and loves Fr Slipper.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 1:53 pm
Gawd, she’s creating a racket. She’ll wake the dead soon.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 1:53 pm
Gillard just said that Abbott once observed that the “Gillard government is dying of shame” and then linked that to Alan Jones.
What a despicable pile of shit she is.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 1:54 pm
Mark my words, the MSM will try to crucify Abbott over his remark that the gov’t should’ve “died of shame”… even though he used that phrase many times and long before Alan Jones applied it to Gillard Snr.
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 1:55 pm
Julia Gillard really is a mussel.
Infidel Tiger
9 Oct 12 at 1:55 pm
Have you not heard that climate sceptics hate their children and grandchildren?
Psycholohy Today: Feeling, Relating, Existing
On emotion and the human dimension
by Robert D. Stolorow, Ph.D.
Robert D. Stolorow is a Ph.D.
I sh1t you not.
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 1:56 pm
Wait what?
So Gillard just capitalized on her own fathers death to attack Abbott??
WTF?
That’s pretty out there even for her.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 1:57 pm
The loose moralled harlot has really lost her shit! Fantastic stuff.
Infidel Tiger
9 Oct 12 at 1:57 pm
“Wait, so he’s not even a hairdresser? Just a hair product salesman?”
Don’t think it matters what job he does if they love each other. He has stood by her with her shady past come to light, and seems very good to her.
Also she seems a shrieky one if she doesn’t get her way. He’s not a bad poor bugger really.
candy
9 Oct 12 at 1:57 pm
Hahahaha! Said well before her father’s demise.
I love the smell of desperation in the afternoon.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 1:58 pm
Shacked up partner of a mousse salesman, Julia Gillard, jumps the couch:
“I see Mr Abbott is looking at his watch – he must be tired of a woman speaking…”
Her own backbenchers looked embarrassed.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 2:00 pm
She’s been allowing her mongrel ministers to capitalise on her father’s death for over two weeks now. Giving not one thought to how all this sustained blathering about what Jones said impacts her grieving mother and sister.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 2:01 pm
Yes, she really said that.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 2:01 pm
Headline: Grieving Gillard begs nasty Abbott, Jones to let her father RIP – Shame on you Abbott!
Headlines if the situation was reversed: Mad Monk Misogynist Thug Abbott uses own father’s death to attack Gillard – Shame on you Abbott!
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 2:02 pm
Tired of Gillard yelling like a crazed banshee. Just like the rest of us.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 2:02 pm
This is hilarious.
Julia Gillard and the Tammy Wynettes defending Speaker who calls women clams and c–ts.
Tommo as well.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 2:06 pm
Its better than getting your news from reading the inside of a bag of Krispy kreams , fat boy.
Jc
9 Oct 12 at 2:06 pm
That was the most shrill, moronic display I’ve ever seen in parliament. That’s the best this lousy Playschool government and its harridan-in-chief have got? ABBOTT! SEXIST! ABBOTT! SEXIST! They are literally defending a woman-hating pervert because they hate Abbott more. That rabid display from the PM shows why she is not fit to hold the office. Would a Meir or a Thatcher resort to such childishness? Would they defend a deranged genuine sexist and instead accuse a father of three of hating the fairer sex? Fucking disgrace. Give us an election! THIS COUNTRY IS DYING OF SHAME!
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 2:06 pm
I suspect Hamish McSporran is starting to realise just how hopeless his task is.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 2:06 pm
We are no longer able to say such things as it means we are referring to Gillard’s father directly. It’s da rulez.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 2:08 pm
Scripted and straight from McTernan, obviously thought up before the Polls came in yesterday showing such stupidity is not working.
Is there an original thought in her head or is she truly just a puppet of her male advisors now?
Memo for John “the smartest man in the room” McTernan: ITS NOT WORKING.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 2:08 pm
Oh, she wouldn’t dare let him go while still in office… I just think it’s funny that they had to pad out his credentials by pretending he was a hairdresser. LOL.
Fleeced
9 Oct 12 at 2:09 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen, what was the context of her remark?
dover_beach
9 Oct 12 at 2:09 pm
Just as they happily let 1000 people drown because they hate John Howard. Gillard is the most immoral piece of trash heading any government in the Western world.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 2:10 pm
You’re all sexists bastards! How dare you criticize the FEMALE PM?
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 2:12 pm
Another Gillard corker:
“It’s time for Tony Abbott to apologise for all his past statements.”
Yes, really.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 2:12 pm
The government case against Abbott’s motion is bizarre.
It is two-fold:
1) Ha ha ha. Sleazy Sipper is a Liberal. A LIBERAL! HA!
2) Mr Slipper is perfectly innocent and should remain Speaker.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 2:13 pm
Somebody chuck a shoe at that kapo Dreyfuss. What a despicable worm.
Never again can the Labor attack anyone for sexism. Never ever.
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 2:15 pm
The folks in vagina costumes should turn up at Slipper’s court case,he will freak
Tal
9 Oct 12 at 2:16 pm
That’s definitely true – she’s probably responsible for more innocent deaths than Obumma
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 2:17 pm
Twostix, I hope you are right that Gillard’s skeletons in the closet are given a public airing in the nearish future.
But it wont happen while she has the media in fear and Conroy ready to punish those with incorrect thoughts.
It may never happen so long as newspapers or broadcasters employ ex university students as journalists.
Jannie
9 Oct 12 at 2:18 pm
Dreyfuss now accusing the Liberals of conspiring to cook up the court case against Slipper.
Why is the G-G sitting on her tuchus and letting these ungodly spivs trash our parliament and nation?
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 2:18 pm
The Mole™ thinks the Fr Musselman vote is no formality…
Rabz
9 Oct 12 at 2:19 pm
We have a Member for Bedlam (Roxon), Member for Gutter (Albanese), and the Member for Sewer (Swan); what fitting seat does Gillard reside in? Member for …..?
dover_beach
9 Oct 12 at 2:20 pm
Member for Mussels. As she points out, it’s not offensive.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 2:26 pm
We have a Member for Bedlam (Roxon), Member for Gutter (Albanese), and the Member for Sewer (Swan); what fitting seat does Gillard reside in? Member for …..?
Member for MuswellBrook!
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 2:26 pm
No, Dot is right, and you are wrong. There is no ultimate source of authority for a language.
Look up prescriptivism and descriptivism in linguistics.
Proper linguists are descriptivists. Authority-worshiping dunderheads like you and SteveC tend to be prescriptivists.
Sorry, I’m at work, and I can’t explain this now. Maybe tonight.
Regarding infer/imply, infer has been used in both senses of imply and deduce since it was introduced into the English language by Sir Thomas More in the 16th century.
Dangph
9 Oct 12 at 2:26 pm
Meaning?
Did you jibe said mole for his carry on the other week over the rogue 50/50 poll?
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 2:27 pm
Abbott calling an opponent “chairthing” in his uni days is horrible.
Gillard supporting a totalitarian, expansionist, anti-Semitic communist empire during her uni days… *shrugs*
There’s the moral clarity of the Left. Scucm. Fucking scum.
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 2:29 pm
Scum*
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 2:30 pm
Pyne destroying Gillard.
Calls her poor old Dad speech “playing the victim,” “insipid” and “pathetic.”
Reminds her – brilliantly – that she banished Tommo from the caucus (sub judice) because he had “crossed a line.”
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 2:31 pm
The generation being stolen from:
Voices Without A Vote
Powerful ad for the US Nov elections
JamesK
9 Oct 12 at 2:31 pm
True, very true, Feral Abacus.
dover_beach
9 Oct 12 at 2:31 pm
The lack of self-awareness here is mind boggling…
I reckon Mrs Emerson would have choked on her clam chowder upon hearing this…
Skuter
9 Oct 12 at 2:31 pm
Pyne’s orotary utterly brilliant.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 2:33 pm
I reckon Mrs Emerson would have choked on her clam chowder upon hearing this…
Why, oh why did I read the above like this the first time around:
dover_beach
9 Oct 12 at 2:34 pm
Pyne is destroying Gillard.
The mincing poodle as attack dog.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 2:34 pm
More great news for warmies. Pity about the workers but.
Julia, tell us one more time that the science is settled.
Rafe
9 Oct 12 at 2:34 pm
Okay, so gillard’s clearly jumped the mussels today. Even old Grattan would see that and she’s probably penning the damage control article as we speak. I can see the headline now:
“Gillard outburst due to grief over father’s death”.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 2:35 pm
No, this is a variation of “a pox on both their houses.”
They’ve lost this – so now they’ll starting generalising the issue as one about all “us blokes” and the bad things we do.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 2:36 pm
Pyne is making mashed potato out of that festering hive of indecency, the ALP.
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 2:36 pm
Bob Carr still employs and refuses to fire Bob Ellis, so one of course assumes that Carr and the ALP fully endorse these views:
Now, who do I boycott to prevent Ellis from ever appearing or writing for the ABC again?
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 2:37 pm
Pickles
9 Oct 12 at 2:38 pm
Pyne slaughters Dreyfuss, that shanda. That putz.
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 2:41 pm
This mentally disturbed individual referring to himself as a “bloke” is a bit much too.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 2:44 pm
Melham (Labor) arguing about lack of criminal charges. He doesn’t get it.
It’s the seafood stupid.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 2:45 pm
Melham is making a pickled mussel of himself.
Infidel Tiger
9 Oct 12 at 2:47 pm
and has not changed since then. a bit prescriptive, no?
For a great discussion on the uses of infer introduced by Thomas More (who do not include the personal sense used by dot) here is a great reference
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=2yJusP0vrdgC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 2:49 pm
Wish he’d clam up.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 2:49 pm
Melham is drowning on his feet.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 2:51 pm
I’ll say… the conscience vote backpedal was pretty funny though (as was not meaning “lynch mob” in a derogatory way)
Fleeced
9 Oct 12 at 2:53 pm
These are the people running the joint!
Fisk Doctrine now!
Tal
9 Oct 12 at 2:55 pm
The official defense of this Government “They haven’t been to gaol yet”.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 2:55 pm
Does Daryl still live at home with mummy? If she’s watching his defence of MusselMan she will not be pleased.
Lew
9 Oct 12 at 2:56 pm
Labor seems far too keen to let this thing lay on the table and “not deal with it today”.
Might be one or two ready to jump? If the this vote goes against Slipper then follow it up with a no confidence ?
This show might be allover by 5 o’clock.
Pickles
9 Oct 12 at 2:56 pm
Albo back where he belongs – in the gutter.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 2:56 pm
oh no Alby is on about uni days again
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 2:56 pm
Beta fat boy Albosleazy… I feel sorry for the Opposition frontbenchers who are condemned to be sprayed with his saliva Tommy Gun.
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 2:57 pm
longest dummy spit in history again…
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 2:57 pm
Watching him on Q and A, he’s improved a lot. Apart froma actually arguing well and making very good points, his voice is less annoying, and the hair seems less poodle-like.
papachango
9 Oct 12 at 2:57 pm
Here we go, Albosleazy “but they picked him first!!”
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 3:01 pm
Yes, excellent book. Thoroughly descriptivist. I’ve got a copy myself. You should read it.
I don’t think you were talking about personal infer (as the book MWDEU calls it). You were talking about “More 1533″. In which case you were wrong.
Regarding personal infer, I wouldn’t use it that way myself because it can be a bit ambiguous, but the fact is that native speakers do use it that way, so Dot is not wrong, and you are wrong to so adamantly claim that he is wrong.
Dangph
9 Oct 12 at 3:03 pm
Memo to camera man. Could we have more shots of Julie Bishop and less of Shrek in a Skirt?
Pickles
9 Oct 12 at 3:04 pm
how long before Alby shuts off
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 3:04 pm
Not one of these morons have actually given concrete reasons for retaining Slipper as Speaker. What a sick, twisted lot these vandals are. Gaol is too good for these Labor leeches.
Australia needs an election.
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 3:05 pm
Piggy Albanese needs to learn to respect the conch.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 3:05 pm
Now Albo invokes his dead Mum. The Australian parliament is now officially Weekend at Bernies III.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 3:07 pm
“DON’T LECTTHR UTH ABOUT THEXITHM!” – The well-spoken Leader of the Houtthhh, Anttthhhony Albosleazy.
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 3:07 pm
bet windsor goes with Labor
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 3:09 pm
dangph, we were talking about personal infer, which you would see if you checked the disputed usage (which was yesterday). And your point is exactly the point, that to use infer, when you really mean imply, is often (especially with dot) ambiguous. In other words it’s hard to tell whether dot meant Alice suggested something (implied) or deduced something (inferred). To use the more explicit word would typically be quite useful.
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 3:09 pm
bet oakshitt goes with Labor
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 3:09 pm
what’s the story with Alby’s dead mum
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 3:10 pm
Lost by one vote.
Bugger.
Rabz
9 Oct 12 at 3:15 pm
Didn’t see it, Rabz. One vote eh? Wonder what the outcome would be if the voting was done via secret ballot?
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 3:16 pm
I move that the whole ALP and anyone who opposes the motion against Slipper should be known from here on in as ‘Slipper’s Mussels’.
You know it makes sense…
Skuter
9 Oct 12 at 3:17 pm
Which way did the moral “independents” vote?
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 3:17 pm
that was thomson’s vote?
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 3:17 pm
The “independents” side with the gov’t, the motion is defeated. The 43rd Parliament continues to drag our country through the mud. Anything less than a 70/30 2PP defeat of Labor at the next election will be an indictment of the Australian people.
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 3:17 pm
With the Musselinis, twostix, except for Wilkie.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 3:18 pm
Windsor and Oakeshot vote to keep their jobs (again). Bandt does the same.
And we all know Thommo wasn’t one to get too worried about few mussels stopping him from drawing a parliamentary salary for a few more months either.
Australian democracy at work.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 3:18 pm
had to be tried
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 3:18 pm
After the next election, they will all be battered mussels…
Skuter
9 Oct 12 at 3:18 pm
Gab,
Tuned in as the sands were passing through the hour glass.
69 – 70, apparently, out of burke’s mouth…
Rabz
9 Oct 12 at 3:19 pm
Albo was just making a few cheap shots about the Alan Jones inspired loonies from the Convoy of No Confidence protesting outside his parliamentary office.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 3:20 pm
Lol @bolt:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/labors_defence_of_slippers_vile_text_its_abbottabbottabbott/
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 3:20 pm
Love it Gab!
Skuter
9 Oct 12 at 3:21 pm
Wow Albo called them “Convoy of No Confidence”?
That’s a bit different from what he calls them outside of parliament – the Convoy of Incontinence and the Convoy of No Consequence.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 3:22 pm
Love it!
Rabz
9 Oct 12 at 3:22 pm
So he was using his position of power to “bully” them?
SteveC you’d better come quick a boycott needs to be organised.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 3:23 pm
Damn you, Skute!
Rabz
9 Oct 12 at 3:23 pm
So the ALP and “Independents” are Slipper’s musselmen? LOL
Fleeced
9 Oct 12 at 3:25 pm
Fascist mollusca!
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 3:25 pm
Okay, I’ll take your word for that. (For now. Maybe I’ll check later if I can be arsed.)
But even so, again, you are wrong to adamantly claim that Dot was wrong. As I said, and as MWDEU documents, people do use infer as personal infer. As a descriptivist, that is good enough for me. You are simply not in a strong enough position to claim he is wrong.
You could have, if you liked, suggested—nicely, like a civilized human being—that such a usage could be ambiguous, but it’s really not worth getting upset about it and going on a smart arse rampage.
Dangph
9 Oct 12 at 3:26 pm
Slippery Pete slithers off again.
It’s hard not to admire someone who is universally held in contempt and yet has conspired to hold his parliamentary seat for over a decade and will seemingly retire in the office of the Speaker of the Parliament and on a fat taxpayer-funded pension.
You couldn’t make this stuff up.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 3:32 pm
dreyfus waffling on now about the only problem with Aust is the Opposition,
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 3:35 pm
I can’t watch any more of this! Abbott should cite Romney’s line ‘you’re entitled to a house and a plane but you’re not entitled to your own facts’
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 3:36 pm
So Gillard has decreed it: women may be called bitches and c–ts but that’s not misogynist because Abbott and dead dad.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 3:40 pm
I didn’t know she said this today:
1. It is the easy way out.
AND
2. Mmm. Personally offended, hey? Interesting. Hello, Pickering.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 3:42 pm
Am I to take it that the lab party voting for slippers filth that I can go out tomorrow and dump that filth on any woman that comes within range and its O.K.Stop the world I want geet off…
max49
9 Oct 12 at 3:43 pm
What a great day it is for all those women who sacrificed to give money to Emily’s List.
Today the best and brightest person that scheme assisted had a big win for women.
Yes, Ms Gillard defamed a married man & father of 3 girls who gives his precious time to many community groups to defend Peter “the Musselman” Slipper – the man who calls women “c**ts”.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 3:44 pm
My predicted headlines:
The Herald Suns headline:
Gillard blasts ‘misogynist’ Abbott
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 3:44 pm
Saved by a bunch of musselini who have no problems with a man who has a problem with female genitalia.
Yes, you can’t make this stuff up.
Rabz
9 Oct 12 at 3:46 pm
Time to wonder what things related to sex that Abbott may have said that he wouldn’t want the public to be hearing. We did have this example reported in the SMH some time ago, indicating that he’s not exactly beyond a crude comment himself:
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/the-leaders/the-charm-and-disarm-offensive-20100806-11oif.html#ixzz28mHqSBqP
Of course, Andrew Bolt and candy must have missed that, when they were saying they were sure that Tony wouldn’t have made the “wouldn’t sell his arse” comment to Windsor.
Slipper’s character has taken a severe beating from the Ashby matter, there’s no doubt; but people today (from both sides of politics) are getting a bit precious about private language and what it means for his ability to be Speaker.
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 3:48 pm
For Julia, Nicola, Tanya, Jenny and Emily’s List:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZr0_ic1304
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 3:50 pm
dangph, you seem to have a good grasp of word meanings, what is your take on this definition: The sender can infer and imply but the receiver can only infer. The sender can infer as long as the conclusion is obvious and the receiver requires no reasoning to come to that conclusion.
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 3:51 pm
Well, yes it is the easy way out but apart from that what on earth does it have to do with the Speaker of Parliament, Peter Slipper, calling women c—- and referring to the female genitalia as ‘mussels’?
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 3:51 pm
Juliar Slapper:
Apparently she did murder her own baby (I guess giving life to your baby was less important to the lying slapper than power and politics), so I guess she would be offended when reminded.
But hey, the Red Barren has added a thousand more corpses to her tally since. What’s one more?
Mk50 of Brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 3:52 pm
Michelle Gratten and The Age leftists embarrassed and hung out to dry by Gillard.
Gratten this morning:
Julia Gillard this afternoon:
Gillard blasts ‘misogynist’ Abbott
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 3:52 pm
So let me get this straight.
Was Gillard saying she had an abortion?
If so, who was the father?
What did her Dad think?
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 3:52 pm
Obama needs a nuclear strike against Iran to win this election. Did I just say that out loud?:
Nationally, they’re now tied:
The undecideds will break 100% for Romney.
Tom
9 Oct 12 at 3:52 pm
So you would have to agree that everyone is ‘getting a bit precious’ about Alan Jones then. Unless you are just another leftard hypocrite. Oh, wait…
Lazlo
9 Oct 12 at 3:53 pm
methinks they doth protest too much over Slipper’s misogynistic remarks. They should all go and make a roast.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 3:53 pm
big call.
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 3:53 pm
Poll at The Age:
Poll: Should Peter Slipper be sacked as Speaker?
Yes: 87%
So she’s gone against her base, gone against the right, gone against the moderates is she the worst politician in Australian history?
Yes she is.
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/face-it-prime-minister-slipper-is-not-fit-for-high-office-20121009-27adu.html#poll
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 3:55 pm
Her and the and the handbag hit squad can never accuse anyone of Misogyny etc….they just voted for it…
max49
9 Oct 12 at 3:55 pm
Good point, max49.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 3:56 pm
The world according to the ALP:
Ditch the witch = highly offensive, misogynist nutjob slogan and a prelude to politically inspired violence
Mussels – a bunch of c*nts in brine = perfectly acceptable language for the Speaker of the House of Reps
Skuter
9 Oct 12 at 3:59 pm
IT,
HAHAAHAAAHAAHHAAAAHHAAAHHAAAAHAAAAAAHHHAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Mr Tiger, I don’t know what you do for a living, but unless it is stand up comedy, you Sir,have missed your calling!
Huckleberry Chunkwot
9 Oct 12 at 3:59 pm
The ALP and its slobbering acolytes have turned our parliament into a den for perverts and criminals.
Any Australian with a morsel of love for their country should have nothing but the most merciless contempt for these autocratic thugs.
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 4:01 pm
Good job Gillard hasn’t had kids, they’d all have died of shame.
harrys on the boat
9 Oct 12 at 4:05 pm
Wouldn’t surprise me if peter slipper has a breakdown of sorts, a genuine one. He’s become dissipated and seems to have let himself behave like a “dirty old man” and yet taking a massive salary for doing bugger all.
he must be aware of how this all looks? Something’s gonna break.
candy
9 Oct 12 at 4:06 pm
Excuse me waiter, I’d like to order 70 battered mussels for delivery in August 2013, please.
Skuter
9 Oct 12 at 4:06 pm
Ditch the witch = highly offensive
and Bob Brown’s Bitch. Yeah, about those signs. The people who did that were not involved with the Carbon Dioxide tax rally and many people on the day asked them to remove the signs. Both those signs appeared behind Abbott after he started speaking.
But that doesn’t fit with the left’s narrative.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 4:07 pm
Goaded by John McTernan, the scum running the country are now not even pretending they’re principled. The possibility that Labor can win more than 30 seats in the House of Representatives is looking increasingly remote. Um, you realise parliament is televised and the public is watching?
Tom
9 Oct 12 at 4:07 pm
Joan Kirner would be rolling over in her grave if she wasn’t alive.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 4:11 pm
To be honest this is the best result. It confirms to the population what a clusterfuck Labor are and the piss ant independents.
Everybody wanted Slipper gone, but the lying mussel Gillard keeps her man.
harrys on the boat
9 Oct 12 at 4:12 pm
I wonder if her slating of Abbott this afternoon just might be enough for the Gillard supporters to finally realise “that she has irretrievably lost her discipline”
Mike of Marion
9 Oct 12 at 4:13 pm
The Herald Sun is calling Gillard’s attack on Abbott as “feisty”.
Yet if Abbott tried anything remotely like the abuse she hurled at him, he’d be called “aggressive”.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 4:14 pm
Robert Mugabe’s favourite car company has decided to dig themselves further into partisan politics.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 4:18 pm
SteveC, that definition is something that someone on the Internet made up. It’s not clear to me what they mean by sender, receiver, and message. I suspect it’s not a very useful way of looking at things, and that it’s not worth my time to try to puzzle it out.
Personally I never use infer to mean imply, but I know that some people do. I have no basis to say that they are wrong. So long as we are communicating, then that’s great, and I don’t care.
Your motive, however, SteveC, was plain to see. You wanted to use language as a stick to beat someone with. But you didn’t know as much as you thought you did, and you have ended up looking like a twat.
Dangph
9 Oct 12 at 4:18 pm
Given the track record, the possibility that this incompetent tart can maintain numerical superiority on the floor of the House for another year is also receding.
Tom
9 Oct 12 at 4:20 pm
yep Gab, but they always say that when she screeches loudly
hysterical harridan are not words in their directory unless ofcourse they’re talking about Coalition or demonstrating women
val majkus
9 Oct 12 at 4:20 pm
Fuckhead steve C has been schooled about history, etymology and logic and still refuses to admit he’s wrong.
This is all the left has. Tiresome arseholish campaigns about grammar and schoolgirl pleas of sexism!
What a bunch of incompetent, squealing, snot nosed children.
Like to tell us about the progress of the NBN Steve C?
Can you tell us how many jobs would be lost if the States raised additional revenue through a payroll tax?
Would you like to explain the strategic importance of not having self propelled artillery and delaying purchases of the JSF for two years?
Do you want to explain why the Government went against economic and ecological modelling about the super trawler?
How many jobs will be lost because of the proposed fishing zones and how much more will seafood cost?
How much will being forcibly invested in governmental infrastructure bonds reduce a superannuant’s lump sum or yearly annuity by?
Why is Nicola Roxon competent for office when she is the 1st ever AG we’ve had who was sued for personal intervention in a court case?
Why should we have faith in any of the judicial appointments she recommends to the GG in council?
.
9 Oct 12 at 4:22 pm
http://www.newsweekly.com.au/article.php?id=4463
Misandrist, apparently.
Ivan Denisovich
9 Oct 12 at 4:24 pm
That was merely a willful hamfisted tactic to draw the fire of the news media away from the real story of the day: Julia Gillard’s and ALP’s vote of total confidence and ownership of Peter “Mussels” Slipper.
In a proper country the media would chastise her for such an obvious and childish attempt at distraction. In Australia the neutered media praise her for it.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 4:25 pm
robert mugabe’s favourite car company has decided to dig themselves further into partisan politics
So nothing to do with Jones’s comments then? The dealership advertising decision certainly wasn’t.
Rabz
9 Oct 12 at 4:28 pm
Rabz, any comment from the mole?
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 4:30 pm
candy
‘Wouldn’t surprise me if peter slipper has a breakdown of sorts, a genuine one. ‘
I wonder if McTernan risks letting Slippery Pete fester alone in his Canberra accommodation at night, in case he self-reflects into a meltdown or, worse for Labor, a bout of ethics and chucks it in ?
There is probably a rotating roster of staffers keeping Slippery Pete’s every waking moment filled with amusing road trips around Queanbeyan’s more colourful suburbs.
Myrrdin Seren
9 Oct 12 at 4:30 pm
He was of the view that oakeshitt may have voted to turf the musselman – oakeshitt covets the speakership.
Rabz
9 Oct 12 at 4:32 pm
No doubt we will see an “impartial observer” courageously come forth with a shocking tale of lurid, sexist behaviour when a friend of a friend told her that Tony Abbott looked at his watch while she was delivering a tutorial presentation at uni nearly 40 years ago.
Skuter
9 Oct 12 at 4:35 pm
– oakeshott.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 4:37 pm
Slippery Pete’s entire career has been one giant piss-take. There is not the slightest possibility of him having a “bout of ethics”.
Best leave Dr Wishy-Washy on Thommo suicide watch.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 4:39 pm
Lickspittle:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/canberra_press_pack_rally_around_gillard
Ivan Denisovich
9 Oct 12 at 4:40 pm
He should be practising his lawn mowing ready for life after the next election.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 4:41 pm
dangph, that was dot’s definition. You see, he thinks the difference between imply and infer (in the sense of “suggest”) is a matter of degree, which must be correct, because you said so earlier.
My point to Alice yesterday was well made, and has been proved by the discourse, which was “if you want to really rile dot, tell him he doesn’t know the difference between imply and infer”.
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 4:43 pm
Again with the mussels?
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 4:46 pm
Most of the comments in the following article are rightly going in hard against the PM:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/in-depth/gillard-rebuffs-abbott-over-motion-to-remove-peter-slipper-as-speaker/story-fndckad0-1226492070004
But there are still a few rusted on leftie morons who can’t believe that Abbott would try such a misogynistic tactic in Parliament today:
Has a huge shipment of crack just arrived in Australia or something?
Skuter
9 Oct 12 at 4:49 pm
Steve C I see you still support a Government of children hell bent on making hundreds of thousands if not millions more people unemployed.
You have nothing to be proud of.
.
9 Oct 12 at 4:49 pm
Bolt says: The “independents” Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott voted to save Slipper. So much for standing for higher standards.
Jack Lang said: “put your money on self-interest, it’s the strongest horse in the race.”
blogstrop
9 Oct 12 at 4:51 pm
and government!
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 4:54 pm
steve from brisbane refers to a quote from the SMH (an impeccable source): ‘The teaching staff members at the seminary were influenced by the reforms of Vatican II, and not at all to Abbott’s liking. Some of the young seminarians were practising homosexuals’.
Horin was not quoting Peter Quamby or anyone else in her assertion that “some of the young seminarians were practising homosexuals”, she just made that up to give credence to the next bit: ‘When many years later Abbott and Quarmby met Noel Pearson on business, Abbott jokingly said, according to Quarmby: “Peter and I were the only seminarians who didn’t get f—ed” ‘ which could mean anything like a jokey blokey way of saying that they didn’t end up suburban priests.
Adele Horin is one of the journalists parting company with Fairfax.
manalive
9 Oct 12 at 4:54 pm
I’m off to test a Mugabe Benz
max49
9 Oct 12 at 4:57 pm
They have no respect for the position and only respect for self aggrandisement.
There is no pragmatism, only an extreme ideological agenda cooked up by crackpot feminists, communists and deep greens.
They are destroying base and have no fucking idea how they have fucked themselves in the arse.
Nearly all of my extended family used to vote ALP. We had life members. No more.
I have friends who are former lifelong ALP voters – teachers, members of the teachers union who hated Abbbot – who now call themselves conservatives and libertarians and will never vote for the ALP (or Greens) ever again.
They are sick of the lack of substance, crude style and spin over issues. Quote the other day “they are not governing in the interests of the country. They are not statesmenlike. I read Bolt now because he tells it like it is”
May you live in interesting times. Eat shit, pal.
.
9 Oct 12 at 5:00 pm
which government are you referring to?
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 5:02 pm
Slipper has issued an apology.
Guess people are expected to accept that one.
Viva
9 Oct 12 at 5:04 pm
Stupid of Gillard not to leave the mud-slinging to others – she should let others do the irty work while she stays above the fray – Politics 101. Instead, there she was, accusing Abbott of picking on her because she’s a girl.
Pathetic.
Fleeced
9 Oct 12 at 5:07 pm
Modern conservative woman:
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00583/SNF15SPDCN-682_583238a.jpg
Modern lefty woman:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02120/gillard-3_2120123c.jpg
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 5:08 pm
Gillard defended Slipper in Question Time which according to Hugh Riminton on 10, was a ‘very tough thing to do’ — so that’s the spin: Tough Julia.
manalive
9 Oct 12 at 5:12 pm
She went fully retarded lying slapper mode today. She’s totally despicable. And what’s her dead father have to do with Abbott anyway? There’s nothing sacred to the lardarse, not even her dead father.
JC
9 Oct 12 at 5:13 pm
David Marr has just compared having an abortion as the removal of “a wart or a cyst” on ABC 24 hour channel.
Viva
9 Oct 12 at 5:13 pm
Dot, notice how much more time Dogshit’s Best Friend has to troll when parliament is sitting?
Tom
9 Oct 12 at 5:14 pm
Yes, and he denied being on the payroll and had the temerity to call me a welfare bludger.
.
9 Oct 12 at 5:17 pm
Tom, don’t apply for a job with ASIO. Your detective skills are pretty lacking
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 5:22 pm
“It’s not clear to me what they mean by sender, receiver, and message. I suspect it’s not a very useful way of looking at things”
It’s only useful when people don’t understand the first time you explain things. Because you can only infer from something, it’s reasonable to talk about direction of information flow, especially because there is a speaker and a listener.
Unfortunately, Dot still doesn’t get it, so let’s try one last time.
If you can replace ‘infer’ with ‘deduce’ in a sentence and still have it make sense, then go ahead and use it. Same if you can replace ‘imply’ with ‘suggest’.
If the sentence doesn’t work when you make these replacements, you’re doing it wrong.
Jarrah
9 Oct 12 at 5:24 pm
Gillard and Emilys list support on demand abortion up to full term – that is fully formed babies being induced then held down and having a sharp metal implement shoved into their brain through the base of their skull a day before their due date.
As usual pro abortionists have to lie.
Then again what would a gay journalist know about pregnancy.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 5:24 pm
Finished work early and watched parliament. Started halfway through the Slappers harangue. She was a hysterical arm waving cretin who traded on her fathers death. Nice touch that.
Truss should retire.
Dreyfuss was excruciating. The defence of Roxon and the hiding behind sub judice, al the while ignoring the texts, as if they might change because of a judges ruling was truly dishonest.
Then I turn up here and find that the two asters are still fuckheads and worse, still here. “…and government”, you must be worried genius.
Tiny Dancer
9 Oct 12 at 5:25 pm
Made up bullshit, Jarrah. I expect Steve C will ask you for a citation.
.
9 Oct 12 at 5:27 pm
Marr is what I envision an abortion to be…
max49
9 Oct 12 at 5:29 pm
This whole thing is disgusting,these” capable women” shit me
Tal
9 Oct 12 at 5:30 pm
Don’t get me started on Marr
Tal
9 Oct 12 at 5:30 pm
Marr’s hanging a
JC
9 Oct 12 at 5:39 pm
Marr’s hanging around the ABC a lot these days. I think the asshat is vying for a permanent gig. Watch.
JC
9 Oct 12 at 5:40 pm
“Made up bullshit, Jarrah.”
You are seriously weird, Dot. The definitions are clear. Do a google search for “infer and imply”, FFS.
Jarrah
9 Oct 12 at 5:42 pm
Google; TL/DR, it must be true.
Not an argument, Jarrah.
.
9 Oct 12 at 5:44 pm
David Marr has just compared having an abortion as the removal of “a wart or a cyst” on ABC 24 hour channel.
This is worse
See RAFE, I rest my case!
Dead Soul
9 Oct 12 at 5:45 pm
…and crawling, on the planet’s face, some insects, called the human race. Lost in time, and lost in space… and meaning.
.
9 Oct 12 at 5:48 pm
“Not an argument, Jarrah.”
Jesus. They’re words. They mean something. You can’t make up your own meaning and have people understand you.
Jarrah
9 Oct 12 at 5:50 pm
Two astonishing conversations at work today:
- luvvie #1 (33yo/f) hates Abbott viscerally (‘met him before he was a minister in the Howard Govt and he was rude’ is the reason). Has said this frequently for years. Voted for Newman, though, and hated it: but did it anyway to get rid of Bligh. Depends for news on Courier-Mail. Turned to me today during the Lying Slappers screechfest and said ‘that’s the last straw. I am voting LNP federally. They simply have to go.
- luvvie #2 (24yo/m). Comes from ALP family. Voted for Bligh, lives in Bligh’s electorate. Saw today’s spittle-flecked screaming howler-monkey performance by the Slapper. Said to luvvie #1 when she announced the above: “You are right. I mean, look at that. And look at Bligh. She promised to stay on, but quit a few days later so she could maximise her take from the taxpayer. But I am not voting for Abbott, I vote against Gillard.”
These are dyed-in-the-wool ALP supporters. Both remain loyal to the ALP in conversation, both are progressives. Both said they have to vote against Gillard, neither will have a bar of the greenfilth, both will vote to get rid of Gillard.
Gobsmacked am I.
Keep up the screeches, Slapper!
Mk50 of Brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 5:51 pm
I don’t think there will be any Maxine McKew style vacancies before the next federal election. In fact, most ALPBC employees will be desperate to hold onto their jobs after their spouses get thrown out so they can still put chardonnay on the table.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 5:54 pm
David Marr has just compared having an abortion as the removal of “a wart or a cyst” on ABC 24 hour channel.
This is worse
No, it is precisely the same.
dover_beach
9 Oct 12 at 5:56 pm
That weird website The Punch totally jumped the shark (prepare to vomit):
http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/gillard-wins-a-verbal-stoush-and-maybe-an-election-too
Delusional doesn’t even begin to describe it, there simply are no words.
Faith in humanity is restored once once gets to the comments though.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 5:56 pm
No, it is precisely the same.
Another reason why I miss kill files. You’re on the one in my head, it;’s a big file. Sadly though I read this on the way through.
Dead Soul
9 Oct 12 at 6:03 pm
Who is is that bald, brain-damaged beta from The Punch? Does he actually think a government that lied to the nation over the carbon tax and fucked up every thing ever touched is going to climb in the polls and win an election over an un-prime ministerial little girl throwing a childish hissy fit? How can these leftist worms peddle such delusions?
Feral Abacus
9 Oct 12 at 6:04 pm
Judging by the comments, resident The Punch egghead Anthony Sharwood has the same understanding of his readers as the average Fairfax executive.
Funny, they usually let Farr Out or Jabba do these alternative reality pieces.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 6:04 pm
Haha. Jarrah, look at the etymology of the words. Remember you told me to look at the meanings of the words? Maybe you should.
You are suiting your definitions you found somewhere made up by someone else that do not follow the etymology of the words, based on 19th century cultural preference which was irrational, whereas the way I use them does follow the etymology.
QED.
.
9 Oct 12 at 6:06 pm
In about nine or so months, they will drift away from the ALP. Nine months is an awful lot of fail for Gillard, DC, Albo, Roxon, Combet, Wong etc.
.
9 Oct 12 at 6:08 pm
That’s right. Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Well said, Jarrah!
Infidel Tiger
9 Oct 12 at 6:11 pm
Another reason why I miss kill files. You’re on the one in my head, it;’s a big file. Sadly though I read this on the way through.
No, no, Dead Soul, don’t make assertions and then pretend you’re above the fray; it’s a tiresome tactic you’ve adopted recently. BTW, I really don’t understand your animus towards me over the last year. I’ve enjoyed our discussions in the past, but there it is.
dover_beach
9 Oct 12 at 6:13 pm
“That’s right. Marriage is between a man and a woman.”
Marriage isn’t a word. It’s a social institution.
Jarrah
9 Oct 12 at 6:15 pm
Romney with one speech trashes the pathetic approach of Obama to Foreign Policy, and then tonight on ABC TV News Jane Cowan has the nerve to say that Foreign Policy has never been a strong suit of Romney’s.
These people have to go.
blogstrop
9 Oct 12 at 6:15 pm
The question is how are Gratten and her followers going to spin Gillards total rejection of her “advice” to dump slipper and not go near the whole sexism story line.
Gillard did exactly the opposite of what Gratten said she must do morally.
In her article Gratten inherently made it a moral issue, Gillard has failed so now surely Gratten must now probe Gillards hypocrisy and constant political misjudgment.
Surely, but surely Gillard not only thinks he is, but thinks he’s worthy of a “feisty” defence over.
Now lets see you damn Gillard you old hypocrite.
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/face-it-prime-minister-slipper-is-not-fit-for-high-office-20121009-27adu.html#poll
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 6:15 pm
blogstrop – where exactly is the army of frustrated right wing sympathetic journalists/newsreaders/broadcasters in waiting with which to replace all of the existing ones you are unhappy with (being, as far as I can tell, every single one of them except for Bolt and Uhlmann?)
steve from brisbane
9 Oct 12 at 6:18 pm
Thankfully, short of the hand of God coming through the ceiling he will not be reproducing. No one will miss his missing chromosomes.
Carpe Jugulum
9 Oct 12 at 6:20 pm
I got a bit behind, so have only just looked at Sunday’s Sun Herald. While the Carlton take-down of Jones was enoyable, this article by Annabel Crabb discusses the modern concept of a Clayton’s apology and is a good read. For those Jones supporters he only gets a very brief mention, so you can safely read without an attack of apoplexy:
The non-apology: a spotter’s guide
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/the-nonapology-a-spotters-guide-20121006-275we.html#ixzz28mvXTaGr
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 6:22 pm
“Jarrah, look at the etymology of the words. Remember you told me to look at the meanings of the words? Maybe you should.”
Etymology and meaning are different, Dot, but in this case they match. From an etymology dictionary:
Checkmate, you fool. You said you’d admit error at this stage. Go ahead.
Jarrah
9 Oct 12 at 6:23 pm
After reading that Anthony Sharwood piece you would have thought that he must have attended the Margaret Simons Centre for Advanced Journalism at the University of Melbourne to have attained such unique insights, clearly not visible to his readers.
Nope. It turns out he is a former cab driver and Deputy Editor to Mr Kate Ellis.
The Sydney taxi community’s loss is our loss too.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 6:26 pm
Slipper resigns?!?!??!
harrys on the boat
9 Oct 12 at 6:28 pm
Slipper resigns!
Cold-Hands
9 Oct 12 at 6:31 pm
Slipper has now resigned.
Another good call from muttly and SOB. Bravo to Team Stupid.
DavidJ
9 Oct 12 at 6:31 pm
Jarrah you just ignored the bulk of that script and the etymology of the word.
I am only talking about a sensible exception to the trite version of the rule you bring up (invented by ???, for what reason), and my description fits the etymology and logic.
.
9 Oct 12 at 6:33 pm
Better get Dr Wishy-Washy after all.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 6:33 pm
The cross-benches will be a hoot.
Oakshott & Windsor: you could have timed that a little better mate
Rousie
9 Oct 12 at 6:35 pm
What does this mean for Gillard?
Oh and well done Gillard another FAIL. So todays performance by Gillard et-al was all for nothing.
The Liberals couldn’t have planned the whole thing any better than Gillard has managed to munge it from start to finish. First she makes Slipper the ALP’s problem, then taints Roxon and her government by defending him in court, then goes to the wall defending him then he quits immediately there after!
Is Gillard secretly working for the Libs and trying to kill the ALP? Nobody can be this incompetent!
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 6:37 pm
Next up:
SfB declares Abbott’s homophobia responsible for Slipper’s resignation.
Provides out of context quotes and unrelated articles from TV Week to support his arguments.
lotocoti
9 Oct 12 at 6:37 pm
The lying bitch is using the low voice she uses to announce the death of servicemen to tell us about Slipper’s “distressing, high-pressurised” situation. She’s trying to make the whole country vomit. Election now!
Tom
9 Oct 12 at 6:38 pm
Marriage isn’t a word. It’s a social institution.
Well, it’s both; same is true of science, philosophy, and so on. Same is true of ‘imply’ and ‘infer’, except that they are a part of logic.
dover_beach
9 Oct 12 at 6:38 pm
Gillard’s finished.
Next clusterfuck for the ALP: Leadership spill.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 6:41 pm
John McTernan is doing a tradesman-like job of demolishing his government. When he is told to piss off in the next week or so, will he try to deny this gig ever happened?
Tom
9 Oct 12 at 6:45 pm
You watch, tomorrow the nutty Fairfax and ABC conspiracy theorists will start foaming: “Was Slipper running a Liberal plot all along?”
I mean it’s too perfect isn’t it? Even Windsor and Oakeshotte embarrassed themselves by voting to support him.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 6:45 pm
Leigh Sales on the ALPBC seems kind of pissed at albosleazy in the interview.
As usual albo blames Abbott.
Carpe Jugulum
9 Oct 12 at 6:47 pm
John Mcternan is the self described smartest man in the room “by far”.
So it’s just part of his cunning plan to make Gillard look even more incompetent and then use Fairfax to sternly and then hysterically call everybody in Australia misogynists thereby guilting us all into voting for her.
Possibly a perfect plan for a third world toilet like the UK.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 6:50 pm
Bolta will be in fine form tonight on 2GB.
Gab
9 Oct 12 at 6:51 pm
Tony uses “she” and stands in front of some other people’s signs, and somehow he’s as bad as Slipper in Albo’s eyes – and many at the ABC. Sales finally did what she should do more often tonight, but she’s damaged goods.
Uhlmann wasn’t without fault tonight either. His Labor undies were showing.
blogstrop
9 Oct 12 at 6:53 pm
She was undoubtedly all lined up to enable Piggy to triumphantly declare the battle with the evil thug Abbott won once and for all by the glorious feisty red headed leader.
She’s annoyed that they’ve allowed themselves to be embarrassed.
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 6:58 pm
Compare that to the tool Turnbull who worked so hard to score as many own goals as he could last night.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 6:59 pm
Albo wasn’t crying again was he? He likes fighting Tories.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 7:09 pm
I expect Hamish McSporran will seek refugee status at the Ecuadorian Embassy in Canberra after today’s efforts.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 7:12 pm
Disastrous day for the government, says Richo. Leadership speculation back on, Rudd peeps out from behind the door again. Gillard keeps intact her track record of one new crisis per calendar month for the rabble. Backbenchers and ministers alike are already plotting their payback tell-all memoirs to finance their disgraced retirement.
And let it be recorded that Julia’s narrow-shouldered beta bumboy lickspittle troll, Dumb as Dogshit, was by her side ’til the last.
Tom
9 Oct 12 at 7:24 pm
Paul Murray and Chris Kenny fighting over who warned the punters first that the Peter Slipper strategy would end in tears. Richo confesses he thought it was “a good move”. “Mea Culpa!” says Richo. Hilarious!
But don’t get your hopes up. The whole purpose of this parliament is that there must be no election before November 30, 2013.
Tom
9 Oct 12 at 7:52 pm
Should be some interesting articles written as people go back over who hailed Slipper as Gillard’s master-stroke.
A bad day for the stenographers league and the love media too!
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 7:59 pm
After this clusterf**k of a government falls it will be a sprint between the players to get their book out so they can blame it on the other useless tools in the Cabinet.
Nothing is funnier than watching Hawke & Keating spat. We’re going to have years of fun as Dullard, Goose, Albo-sleazy, Nanny, Plibersek & the rest all blame-storm away at each other.
Token
9 Oct 12 at 8:01 pm
Please explain? The Governor General? The UN? High Court appointments? Policy?
Or are you saying it is just seeking to perpetuate its own existence?
.
9 Oct 12 at 8:05 pm
“Jarrah you just ignored the bulk of that script and the etymology of the word.”
Holy hell. It’s there plain as day. If you’re now going back on your promise, that’s on you, but don’t pretend to believe the reverse of reality.
“I am only talking about a sensible exception to the trite version of the rule you bring up (invented by ???, for what reason), and my description fits the etymology and logic.”
Your ever-shifting description fits nothing. There is no exception, because there is no grammatical rule. There are only two words, the meaning of which are not in dispute anywhere on the planet except inside your head.
Jarrah
9 Oct 12 at 8:16 pm
Well blow me Dots back from the dole office (which is where most phd students live)
saying
‘”Alice,
Are you still going to sue me? Why would you sue someone you think is on welfare? Why do you spend your time here picking fights?”
Why would I spend my time in here picking fights with you Dot?
You are one walking swearing lying bastard – thats why – I cant think of a better person to pick a fight with Dot. You are a walking fight. I have a list here of the insults you dish out to everyone including me.
I think you like fighting Dot (or at least you like swearing at peaople unreasonably and insulting them with every bit of dirt true or false or made up you can throw at them -0 yesterday’s experience was quite incrtedible for me when you actually dug out every post I ever made for ten years on blogs – so fucking what? Im entitled to my opinion and what sort of a weirdo does that exactly?? AS well as calls me an abortion nurse? I dont know who you are but I dont have as much interest in you thats for sure. I nwouldnt waste my time)
You seriously want to know,and ask why I want to pick a fight with you now?? Are you joking??? You booked ten years of fights with me Dot in one day! Thats why.
You cant take it when a woman answers you back dickhead?
Well get used to it.
Alice
9 Oct 12 at 8:33 pm
McTernan will be gone soon. He will be called for by the chief of Brown’s ex-henchthugs, Ed Balls, because he is needed by the Testicular One for the Armageddon battle against the forces of evil, the tribe he detests most – not the Tories, don’t be stupid – against Ed Milliband and his trade union cabal.
There, McTernan will be able to brief, vilify, malign, smear, exaggerate, character-assassinate, story-plant, falshehood-unleash, sewer-traipse, garbage-bin-fossick and slither a slimy trail over the body politic to his heart’s content, because no-one he encounters among his fellow weevils in Westminster will think to ask – ‘oi, Hamish, weren’t you working in Australia for that redhead – how did that go in the end?’
James in Melbourne
9 Oct 12 at 8:39 pm
No Jarrah,
You ascribed meaning to the word based on who does the action.
This is generally not how English works.
I am ascribing meaning based on to what degree information is conferred.
My point was that one party can sometimes in rare circumstances do what the other party always does.
What do you think an inference is?
It can be the process of (and up to and including the act of) coming to a logical conclusion. The writer/reader can do that, and they can even do that for the reader/listener.
Again you tell me I don’t know the meaning of words (a verb), but you don’t know the meaning of the related noun.
Now either you don’t agree what an inference is or you are trying to support a rule you don’t think exists.
.
9 Oct 12 at 8:42 pm
Alice – WTF?
How about you just give support to your heterodox economic theories.
I’m really interested as to how capital controls benefit society as they are nominated as a putative factor of poor Indian growth pre 1992.
You’re not going to sue me? That’s great Alice, better not to have enemies. I’d just like to know on what grounds you were going to sue me on so I don’t make the same mistake again.
.
9 Oct 12 at 8:45 pm
Can someone explain why the constant reference to mussels as I’ve missed that.
JC
9 Oct 12 at 8:53 pm
Cut the language please, JC. This is a family blog.
.
9 Oct 12 at 8:55 pm
Jc – google “Slipper mussels text messages”.
For a vegemite driller he sure did take a close look at the female form.
Infidel Tiger
9 Oct 12 at 8:56 pm
Farr Out over on Newscorp’s answer to The Dumb,
I imagine they’ll be celebrating that “troubled sense of victory” over a Liberal rat long into the night.
Farr Out and Sharwood better hope Rupert can’t use those iPad thingys. I doubt he’d be too impressed with what Mr Kate Ellis is attempting to pass off as journalism.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 9:18 pm
The movie Spartacus must have made a great impression on the young Slipper – particularly this scene with Olivier and Tony Curtis.
Marcus Licinius Crassus: Do you eat oysters?
Antoninus: When I have them, master.
Marcus Licinius Crassus: Do you eat snails?
Antoninus: No, master.
Marcus Licinius Crassus: Do you consider the eating of oysters to be moral and the eating of snails to be immoral?
Antoninus: No, master.
Marcus Licinius Crassus: Of course not. It is all a matter of taste, isn’t it?
Antoninus: Yes, master.
Marcus Licinius Crassus: And taste is not the same as appetite, and therefore not a question of morals.
Antoninus: It could be argued so, master.
Marcus Licinius Crassus: My robe, Antoninus. My taste includes both snails and oysters
Viva
9 Oct 12 at 9:32 pm
Jarrah, read the entry on infer on page 541 of Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary of English Usage, which SteveC linked to before. It’s very good.
To say, ‘Do a google search for “infer and imply”, FFS,’ is very silly. Most of the information out there will be pretty low quality.
Dangph
9 Oct 12 at 9:38 pm
Troops hate Obama…
MILITARY TIMES POLL: R 66% O 26%…
DRUDGE.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 9:50 pm
That’s a surprise.
JC
9 Oct 12 at 9:53 pm
Fuck you really are stupid.
I post a letter. You receive the letter. It’s the same letter, the letter only does one thing. Does the verb change depending on who is the sender and who is the receiver?
And that’s exactly why you are wrong. Read the link that dangph gave above. Degree has nothing to do with it. Read the description of the personal use of infer, which is what you are using.
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 10:10 pm
They go to work everyday risking their lives as part of the job description. Meanwhile, the limp-wristed celebrity beta in the White House sacrifices an ambassador to appease muslim savages trying to be a hero in the Middle East. You bet they hate him.
Tom
9 Oct 12 at 10:14 pm
…sacrifices an ambassador and three soldiers …
Tom
9 Oct 12 at 10:16 pm
Mercedes-Benz replies to Jones attack on exec
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 10:16 pm
Yes, Dogshit’s Best Friend, your cyber-terrorism campaign is going splendidly. So well the gathering blowback from the assault on the working people of this country, which this represents, will have virtually destroyed the Greens as a viable political party by 2016. Just keep doing what you’re doing and feeding your stupid head into the electoral blender.
Tom
9 Oct 12 at 10:26 pm
Be on the lookout for anyone offering to sell you a cheap set of new curtains.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 10:30 pm
The Silly’s KRudd reporter has filed.
Err, not really.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 10:34 pm
The most damning indictment against Barack Obama:
(Emphasis mine.)
From Thomas Sowell, who cannot be accused of racism against black people except by the most bendy-backwards, twisty-turny, Mobius-strip-like efforts of intellectual chicanery.
perturbed
9 Oct 12 at 10:37 pm
I was hoping this was a spoof like the “rape causes global warming” post, but it seems legit:
Republican candidate Fuqua endorses death penalty for rebellious children
Therefore, a child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellioius children is not something to be taken lightly. The guidelines for administering the death penalty to rebellious children are given in Deut 21:18-21:
SteveC
9 Oct 12 at 10:40 pm
No, that’s really an empirical question. You can investigate it yourself by doing a corpus search here:
http://corpus.byu.edu/coca/
Infer-meaning-imply is uncommon, but it does exist. I would be hesitant to say it is wrong, simply because I have no basis to make that judgment.
There is no ultimate authority for languages. Languages are defined by their speakers. Languages existed before grammar books and dictionaries. And dictionaries, in any case, are compiled from corpora, from actual usage. There was never some Moses-like figure who brought the definition of the English language down from heaven. A language is created and recreated by its speakers.
You can say that infer-meaning-imply is uncommon, and that it’s maybe better not to use it because of that, and that it will no doubt lose in the long run, but I don’t believe you can say it is incorrect.
Dangph
9 Oct 12 at 10:52 pm
Ladies & Gentlemen: the President of the United States of America:
What could be funnier than a black man slitting the throats of white people?
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 10:55 pm
So is a Democrat President who believes the CIA created AIDS to kill negros.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 10:57 pm
hartcher is now trying to save his rotten arse..many more to follow.
max49
9 Oct 12 at 11:00 pm
Hartcher just reprinting KRudd’s latest copy. Nothing surer.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 11:05 pm
Is that better or worse than voting and arguing against legislation that outlawed leaving late term babies that survive abortion on the abortion table for hours to die alone while referring to them as “fetuses outside of the womb”?
You know, like Obama did?
twostix
9 Oct 12 at 11:10 pm
The family of that Brazilian man killed over a packet of biscuits has requested that footage of his murder be released. Here it is. He is grounded, cuffed, capsicum-sprayed and overwhelmed – then electrocuted by a foul-mouthed coward who should be jailed.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 11:18 pm
Le Snore adds her 2c (and no that’s not the latest FXJ share price)
Err no Le Snore. Outside the love media it was condemned as just another example of Gillard’s short term political opportunism that would not stand up to scrutiny. And so it proved.
H B Bear
9 Oct 12 at 11:28 pm
“To say, ‘Do a google search for “infer and imply”, FFS,’ is very silly. Most of the information out there will be pretty low quality.”
Not the high-ranking results, although I understand your reticence. My main aim is to impress on Dot how basically everyone follows the dictionary definitions, and while some confuse the two words, no-one has Dot’s definition:
“There is no ultimate authority for languages. Languages are defined by their speakers.”
Sure, majority rules. Dot is in a minority of one.
“And dictionaries, in any case, are compiled from corpora, from actual usage.”
Exactly. Dot is trying to give completely new meaning to established words.
Jarrah
9 Oct 12 at 11:31 pm
“a Democrat President who believes the CIA created AIDS to kill negros”
Which Democrat president believed that?
Jarrah
9 Oct 12 at 11:32 pm
You might have heard of him. His name is Barack Hussein Obama.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 11:34 pm
Oh my Lord.
Obama seizes on Big Bird to revive campaign.
C.L.
9 Oct 12 at 11:59 pm
Jarrah,
It is not incorrect and I am not trying to change the meaning at all. I referred to the etymology and the noun and you ignored them. I am saying it is an exception to a general “rule” (for the lack of a better word) and in the right circumstances it is correct.
Get over it.
.
10 Oct 12 at 12:07 am
Have to laugh at teh opion page of he Oz. Amongst all the palaver about Slipper and the overreach in parliament yesterday, there is a puff piece by Swan claiming we are doing really well as in comparison the Europeans are doing really, really bad. But the OZ subbys have titled it:
entropy
10 Oct 12 at 12:10 am
“It is not incorrect”
Yes, it is. Check any dictionary you like.
“and I am not trying to change the meaning at all.”
Yes, you are. Your exact words:
Even the people who confuse infer and imply, using them interchangeably, don’t think that’s the definition.
“I referred to the etymology and the noun and you ignored them.”
No, I gave you the etymology, and you pretended it said something completely different.
“I am saying it is an exception to a general “rule” (for the lack of a better word)”
There is no rule, there is no exception. There are only two words with a definite meaning that you keep getting wrong. End of story.
Jarrah
10 Oct 12 at 12:11 am
“You might have heard of him. His name is Barack Hussein Obama.”
Oh, I see. You’re like Clint Eastwood – there’s an Obama only you can perceive.
Jarrah
10 Oct 12 at 12:13 am
No, everyone can perceive the fact that for 20 years Obama ‘worshipped’ at a ‘church’ that preached the CIA invented AIDS to kill black people.
C.L.
10 Oct 12 at 12:17 am
I think The Australian only run opinion pieces by The Goose and Emmo so that future generations will know exactly how bad things were.
It’s like keeping a few of Al Grassby’s ties and Jim Cairn’s polaroids in the national archives.
H B Bear
10 Oct 12 at 12:17 am
Strictly speaking, no. I found two instances in a sample of 100 random sentences in the COCA corpus. But yes, that is very uncommon.
I don’t know. For instance, I say different to whereas most of the world seems to say different from. I think different to might be an Australian thing. If majority rules, then that usage is incorrect.
Both meanings go back to the very beginnings of the word.
Dangph
10 Oct 12 at 12:18 am
You are painful and you are wrong Jarrah.
Clearly I have not confused imply or infer as they are being discussed.
Goodnight.
.
10 Oct 12 at 12:19 am
The Age just shit all over gillard.The awu scandal is now out there
max49
10 Oct 12 at 12:28 am
What The Aged and Mark Baker have done is regurgitate what was uncovered by a real investigative reporter, Hedley Thomas, and have passed it off as something the Aged reported on “last month”. Not once in the Aged’s “article” is any recognition or attribution afforded to the Australian. Nor has the Aged article added any new information, although that’s how it is made to seem.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 12:39 am
Wow. The Age (!) blows the Wilson/Gillard scandal.
C.L.
10 Oct 12 at 12:39 am
Great video from Milton Friedman Vs Bill Clinton I thought I would share with you. Enjoy
http://youtu.be/UlNxIc9gUMc
John Donald
10 Oct 12 at 12:40 am
Yeah true, Gab.
But two things. They’re being very explicit in telegraphing that Gillard clearly lied and was up to no good – and with a minimum of formulaic legalese qualifications. And the timing – though perhaps coincidental – is very aggressive.
The last paragraph was still stunning, despite what we knew. She was actually sleeping with this crim and there she was with the partners discussing his wife and her material situation. She clearly had contempt for married women.
C.L.
10 Oct 12 at 12:44 am
After what happened today with slipper and what has been building,and given its faifax I’d bet she wont be around by the end of the week…
max49
10 Oct 12 at 1:01 am
I just wish the Polls were being released NOW – I’m sure the 2PP numbers will shatter Labor.
I’m getting the impression that the ALPBC, the suckhole Fairfax papers and the unapologetic Gillard supporters are seeing their pro-Labor stance being lost and they are beginning to scramble to save their journalistic lives.
Mike of Marion
10 Oct 12 at 5:17 am
As far as I can ascertain, the Age article this morning is the first to establish documented proof that the Fitzroy house in which Gillard lived was purchased with improperly obtained funds from the bogus WA Workplace Reform Association.
The assertion that Gillard “intensively managed” the transaction suggests she knew exactly where the money came from.
The author, Mark Baker, is one of the few adults left at The Age and has been there for about 20 years. Tellingly, there was zero input from the Labor bum-lickers in the Canberra bureau.
Cue the human filth from the blog no-one reads.
Tom
10 Oct 12 at 6:22 am
A speaker or writer cannot ‘infer’ anything in a statement or expression, although that statement or expression can proceed from an inference the speaker or writer has previously drawn. The speaker or writer can certainly ‘imply’ something in that statement or expression, but only the person listening to them or reading what they say can ‘infer’ anything from that.
Saying to someone who has just spoken to you, ‘what are you inferring by that?’ is nonsensical.
Misuse of these terms peeves me.
James in Melbourne
10 Oct 12 at 6:31 am
Bolt’s midnight piece documenting how the press gallery salary thieves absolutely loved the Peter Slipper appointment is worth bookmarking so their disgraceful stenography can be quoted back to them at will.
Tom
10 Oct 12 at 6:34 am
WMR’s surge now has him leading nationally in the RCP poll round up. Obama The Grouch and Big Bird hardest hit.
Infidel tiger
10 Oct 12 at 7:18 am
Via Bolt – the only numbers that matter at the moment:
So the gubberment could lose a no confidence vote if wilkie and the musselman vote for their own (and the gubberment’s) extinctification. Lardarse remains PM and leader at the election.
Hmmm – somehow can’t see this happening.
Here’s hoping, though…
Rabz
10 Oct 12 at 7:31 am
Where’s Spot? Has he ducked home to NC? I’m thinking of the Dawg because Romney is charging home, the game has totally changed, Mitt is leading the Swing State Poll as well as the national poll, Obama is in huge trouble … and the NY Times is playing some elevator music from the South as its top election story:
This is truly one of the weirdest moments in US political history: The press are in the pocket of the White House and are refusing to acknowledge that the incumbent is about to be defeated.
Tom
10 Oct 12 at 7:38 am
A big call by Thomas Sowell, as the Obama admin plan Fast & the Furious has lead to the death of almost 200 people.
That said I agree with Sowell that the fact we have a tape of Obama lying in a flagrant attempt to stir up racial divisions should disqualify him from being president.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 7:39 am
As HB Bear noted, Hartcher is Rudd’s knee-padding Stenographer. Every word he writes has been cleared by Rudd.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 7:41 am
So denial isn’t just a river in newly “democratic” egypt, then?
Rabz
10 Oct 12 at 7:43 am
I find the infer argument so amusing. Dang is correct in this statement.
Unlike German & French, there is no legal commission in place to define language. English is a living language, and as much as it annoys people that Alanis Morrisette has entrenched a new meaning for “ironic” through he song.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 7:56 am
Definitely agree that English is a living, organic language; and I am glad that there is no ‘English Academy’ poncing about in London issuing decrees and proclamations; but that doesn’t mean it’s open slather to mangle it, and that people who seem to think that ‘imply’ and ‘infer’ mean the same thing – or ‘practice’ and ‘practise,’ or ‘licence’ and ‘license’ – shouldn’t be told, ‘hang on, these words have precise meanings, and should be used properly.’
Otherwise we end up dumbing-down our own tongue. – the language of Byron, Fitzgerald and Donleavy.
James in Melbourne
10 Oct 12 at 8:21 am
The Fairfax revisionists have already started work on Gillard’s obituary with a sick-making last indulgence from the propaganda factory:
Tom
10 Oct 12 at 8:43 am
Pity she didn’t campaign against the misogynistic remarks of Peter Slipper preferring instead to defend him to save her own “bad-ass”.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 8:45 am
The Destroy The Joint Facebook page, used to attack broadcaster Alan Jones, was set up by left-wing union official Sally McManus, who counts Employment Minister Bill Shorten as a friend.
Labor linked to anti-Jones campaigners
McTernan strikes again?
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 8:52 am
Not only does the PM exploit sympathy for the death of her father in question time, the union movement exploit it for commercial advantage.
They are all so sick.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 8:54 am
More is coming to light on the disgusting shameful episode where the BBC spent 40 years covering up for a p*do & sexual preditor.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 8:58 am
In the meantime, their ABC is telling me that the Facebook campaign and the fake change.org petition are to be seen as a warning to social change for advertisers.
No mention by their ABC that the FB camapign was driven by Labor and the change.org petition was signed by famous dead people.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 8:59 am
Abbott evidently thinks Slipper’s vote is not tainted.
m0nty
10 Oct 12 at 9:02 am
Good work mOron
Tiny Dancer
10 Oct 12 at 9:06 am
I missed the answer to this question the last time I asked. The question is what do the ALP barrackers think the party should do about our problems of debt and productivity?
Sorry if this distracts you for a moment from more important problems.
Rafe
10 Oct 12 at 9:07 am
Asked why Gillard appointed Slipper, Plibersek reveals herself as a low-rent troll:
(H/T Bolt for the editing)
Tom
10 Oct 12 at 9:08 am
The issue yesterday was whether Slipper was fit to be hold the highest office in the House. Unlike the ALP, Greens & Independents, Mr Slipper agreed it was not appropriate he hold such a position.
If every one plaeed in parliament by Emily’s List to represent the wymmyn’s issues industry were willing to go on record voting to state the mysoginist Slipper is fit to be speaker, why shouldn’t the Coalition accept his vote M0nty?
Token
10 Oct 12 at 9:09 am
Wayne Swan called and said: What problems?
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 9:10 am
Yay, more “English” taught by the internet.
You are giving them rules they never wrote under.
How dare you. My use of infer by the writer is very precise.
.
10 Oct 12 at 9:11 am
“Both meanings go back to the very beginnings of the word.”
No, they don’t. Check the etymology I posted and Dot is furiously ignoring.
“Clearly I have not confused imply or infer”
Jarrah
10 Oct 12 at 9:12 am
What about the language of Chaucer?
Rafe
10 Oct 12 at 9:16 am
You ignored the etymology.
.
10 Oct 12 at 9:22 am
Gillard is finished, Fairfax is telegraphing loud and clear to the party that they’re moving on.
Must the next leader be Rudd? Or will the ALP try and be clever and trick everyone with a wild card?
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 9:31 am
On matters industrial.
Can anyone tell me if permanent part-time employees should have precedence for attending the workplace over casual employees ?
Someone very near and dear to me is permanent part-time at a specified 20 hours per week, and she is being “asked” to fit in and reduce hours in an attempt to keep casuals at their usual levels of attendance.
Aside from offending my sense of fairness, this seems to be breaching the contract (to my naive eyes).
Does anyone have any comment about the relative precedence of permanent (part-time or not) versus casual, or can anyone point me in the right direction to obtain some solid information about this ?
Keith
10 Oct 12 at 9:33 am
From monty’s link:
And now supporting the trashing of parliamentary rules:
Because it’s Labor and when the rules don’t suit they just change them.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 9:35 am
Aww jeez. I didn’t preview. sorry.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 9:36 am
From monty’s link:
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 9:37 am
Now even The Age says Gillard is a lying criminal.
Wow.
C.L.
10 Oct 12 at 9:39 am
Some of you may infer that I am implying that I am sick to death of reading about this subject. The implication of this statement is that some of you may be upset by this inference.
Please, can we cease and desist?
Huckleberry Chunkwot
10 Oct 12 at 9:40 am
Tom @ 8:43am – Yeah that is some Walkley Award winning stuff right there.
jezebel.com – bwahahahahaaa
H B Bear
10 Oct 12 at 9:40 am
Not being conversant with the backround i would advise looking at the Fair Work Act Chpt 3 s340 – s342.
Carpe Jugulum
10 Oct 12 at 9:41 am
What are you implying, Huckleberry?
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 9:42 am
Absolute Cringe Fest: The Age embarrass itself again – calls the nutty left US gossip blog Jezebel “the world press”, links to it and quotes it, a site whose current top front page headlines are:
Sexytime Dilemmas: Facials, Masturbation and Butt Fingering
Slut-Dropping, and Other Ways College Teaches Kids to Be Sexist Assholes
Now Men Can Get Slut-Shamed, Too!
Unbelievably most of the comments damn Gillard – even the Ages few remaining readers don’t believe the shit they’re shoveling out.
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/julia-badass-gillard-slipper-resignation-just-a-sidebar-20121010-27c0g.html
—————————–
Delusional comment of the year:
lol
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 9:43 am
Ahahahahaha.
Sesame Street tells Obama to take down Big Bird ad.
Barack Obama: humiliated by Grover and Elmo.
Most Powerful Man In The World.
C.L.
10 Oct 12 at 9:43 am
Keith – ask their union, they’re usually good at that sort of thing. Assuming they are a union member of course.
SteveC
10 Oct 12 at 9:44 am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 9:45 am
DRUDGE breaking:
POLL: Romney leads in 11 swing states…
C.L.
10 Oct 12 at 9:45 am
At least Slippery Pete is allowed into Parliament again. As soon as he gets back from the Federal Court.
He joins the other political corpses on the cross benches.
H B Bear
10 Oct 12 at 9:46 am
Also at DRUDGE:
C.L.
10 Oct 12 at 9:47 am
Rasmussen: Daily Swing State Tracking Poll
Swing State Tracking (7 day rolling average):
Romney 49%, Obama 47%
JamesK
10 Oct 12 at 9:53 am
The Republican National Committee points out that in the last few days, Obama has mentioned Big Bird eight times, and Elmo five–and Libya and Plans for the economy not at all.
RNC: The Campaign Count
JamesK
10 Oct 12 at 9:55 am
If only Obama did as much to protect his ambassador in Libya as he’s doing to protect Big Bird.
C.L.
10 Oct 12 at 9:55 am
Thanks Carpe, I’ll check it out.
SteveC, this is a professional job, but I doubt the professional body will be much help, queries will be lodged with them, however.
Keith
10 Oct 12 at 9:56 am
Romney has been crunched from $5 – $3 in the betting markets. That’s huge.
Infidel Tiger
10 Oct 12 at 9:57 am
WSJ Campaign2012: Big Bird Wants Out of Campaign Ad
LOL
JamesK
10 Oct 12 at 9:59 am
Gab, if you are inferring from my earlier comment that I have had enough of reading about this topic across several threads, you would be correct.
Look, I too can be a pedant of the highest order, in fact, that personality trait forms part of my job description. However, there comes a time when all participants need to say that enough is enough, this is going nowhere.
Huckleberry Chunkwot
10 Oct 12 at 10:00 am
Not just The Age I’m afraid Twostix, News Ltd are also running with same shitty story, there must have been a memo from McTernan. I feel dirty now, such terrible, terrible ‘journalism’.
Andreas
10 Oct 12 at 10:02 am
lol. Huckleberry I’m guessing you are no longer implying anything.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 10:03 am
Biden Has Not Sat for On-Camera Nationally Televised Interview in 5 Months
LOL
JamesK
10 Oct 12 at 10:04 am
That Laurie Oakes sure is a shameful piece of shit. What a disgusting shill.
Infidel Tiger
10 Oct 12 at 10:07 am
Romney Takes the Lead in the RealClearPolitics Average
Exactly four weeks before Election Day, Mitt Romney has taken the lead in the RealClearPolitics (RCP) average of recent polling. Of the six most recent polls, three show Romney ahead, two show President Obama ahead, and one shows the race tied. Overall, RCP shows Romney leading by a tally of 48 percent to 47.3 percent. This appears to be the first time in nearly a year that Romney has taken the outright lead (as opposed to gaining just a share of the lead) in the RCP average.
JamesK
10 Oct 12 at 10:13 am
The Phage nonsensical piece in praise of Gillard’s deranged speech has as its first comment:
Just watched Julia Gillard’s speech with my 3 yr old daughter, when it finished she said “I want to watch that lady again.”
terri psiakis
16 hours ago
I find leftist reality defying perception to be frightening quite frankly.
What fucking chance will that 3 yo have?
She end up fucked-up like liar-steve™
JamesK
10 Oct 12 at 10:22 am
Wow, is Big Bird throwing Bam under the bus as well?
Token
10 Oct 12 at 10:25 am
Do any of those polls note what happened to the skewing?
I would not be surprised if the genuines poll have provided cover for the polling companies to unwind that practice.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 10:27 am
Like the last days of the Roman Empire, I think there might be a civil war going on at Fairfax between The Journalists (Mark Baker’s expose on Gillard-Wilson-AWU) and the Scatterbrain Children (Julia ‘Baddass’ Gillard). The Baker piece has now been virtually erased from The Age website. The Occupy delinquents are winning this morning’s battle … and killing the company.
Tom
10 Oct 12 at 10:47 am
They were cowards before and they are cowards now.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 10:50 am
Latest – ruddles is on the move – “courting the chicks* on the left”, I’ve been told.
Watch the last week in November…
*Zeeeeexism!!!
Rabz
10 Oct 12 at 10:58 am
The Baker piece I hope is prelude to more writing by Hedley Thomas.
Repeated examination of the 1995 transcripts will be interesting too.
I picked up the SMH today and was stunned to see this story buried on page 5. The strategy of attacking Abbott is really getting to it’s “best used by date” but is a great deflector.
Politics as theatre – what were they once saying about being policy driven?Pathetic.
murph the surf
10 Oct 12 at 10:59 am
Indeed – they’ve hit a record low today – the chart has dipped below 40 cents…
Rabz
10 Oct 12 at 10:59 am
Why would anyone pay anything for news from an organisation that believes its role is to regurgitate the press releases of Labor & the Greens?
Token
10 Oct 12 at 11:00 am
Obama: out-maneuvered by Big Bird.
C.L.
10 Oct 12 at 11:05 am
From LP this morning..
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 11:05 am
The NYT editorial hated Mitt Romney’s foreign policy speech – a surefire sign that he was on the money
LOL
I love the smell of leftist fear and derangement in the morning
JamesK
10 Oct 12 at 11:06 am
“Or will the ALP try and be clever and trick everyone with a wild card?’
At this stage of their struggle they should draft in Joe Tripodi.
murph the surf
10 Oct 12 at 11:06 am
I read the move by Melon to resign yesterday was part of the post newspoll push.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 11:07 am
PM Julia Gillard tweeted her thoughts on his sudden resignation tonight.
JuliaGillard_MP
The grubby & hypocritical attacks by the Liberal Party on Speaker Peter Slipper MP, a man of distinction, has forced his resignation. TeamJG
Julia Gillard
15 hours ago
Reply
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JG thinks Slipper is ‘a man of distinction’. I truly believe that it is just as well her father is not around to see this. The traditional Welsh working class (firmly wedded to conservative Chapel moral codes) would not have touched Sleazy with a 50 foot pole.
johanna
10 Oct 12 at 11:09 am
Joe Tripodi’s a bit busy at the moment.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 11:11 am
Oliver Hartwich had a good discussion this morning with AJ on why the subsidies to the car industry must end.
Under the current agreement each job with a US company that manufactures cars in Australia costs taxpayers $93,000.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 11:13 am
Radical Islamists are gaining influence and power all through the arab Middle East.
They’ll do anything to get it and keep it.
Are we standing on the edge of a new dark age?
Wa-po: Salafists urge ultraconservative Islam on post-Arab Spring governments
To the leftist chumps at the Washington Post and Obumma WH maybe, but not to anyone else with eyes to see and a minimum standard understanding of history as far back as 1979.
JamesK
10 Oct 12 at 11:14 am
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_how_gillard_tried_to_kill_a_story/
Ivan Denisovich
10 Oct 12 at 11:16 am
That’s a fake account, johanna.
m0nty
10 Oct 12 at 11:24 am
The leg over man breaks into song in defence of the mussel man.
Look for the brightest lights in town
That’s where you’ll find me hanging round
I’ve got this feeling to be free
I pick and choose the life I want
And that’s the life for me
clambake, gonna have a clambake
clambake, gonna have a clambake
Spatacrobat
10 Oct 12 at 11:25 am
LP gives his take on the subject.
Rudiau
10 Oct 12 at 11:32 am
Nutter leftist Andrew Sullivan on his blg:
Obama’s Implosion Update
JamesK
10 Oct 12 at 11:33 am
There Never Was a Protest In Benghazi.
Rudiau
10 Oct 12 at 11:39 am
Independent pollster: ‘Romney has won swing states so we’re not even bothering to poll there again.’
C.L.
10 Oct 12 at 11:44 am
Apologies, I now find from a reputable source (Bolt) that the Gillard tweet is a false account – although it appears in the Terrorgraph’s main story about Slipper. However, the substance of my comment still stands.
johanna
10 Oct 12 at 11:44 am
It’s now being suggested that Albanese was in on the deal to force Slipper to resign..
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 11:46 am
Obama thought he won the debate until his aides told him otherwise.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 11:47 am
Plibersek’s performance on Lateline was truly bumbling. She couldn’t even stick to the script.
@0.45
@1.05
Even the ALPBC couldn’t let that go through to the keeper. Emilys List at work.
H B Bear
10 Oct 12 at 12:00 pm
Obama Admin Covering Up Iran, Egypt Involvement in 9/11 Attacks
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 12:01 pm
Has anyone else noticed that Albo’s doorstop before Question Time yesterday contains identical – and I mean IDENTICAL – phrasing to what Gillard screeched an hour or two later in Pariament?
http://anthonyalbanese.com.au/transcript-of-doorstop-senate-courtyard-parliament-house-4
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/transcript-of-julia-gillards-speech-20121010-27c36.html
How many times do you reckon she re-hearsed this to get the Ooooh so faux-outrage just right to ensure she gets the “Australia’s prime minister Julia Gillard is one badass motherXXXucker.” label. LOL
Arnost
10 Oct 12 at 12:03 pm
PariamentParliament!Arnost
10 Oct 12 at 12:05 pm
Another ‘man’ of honour…
Rabz
10 Oct 12 at 12:07 pm
Great to know the political geniuses realised they had to act…after they had been made to vote to defend the old sleaze and his disgusting tweets.
FFS, these morons are running the country.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 12:11 pm
Still wrong, it’s Pariahment
Keith
10 Oct 12 at 12:15 pm
Yep – it’s beyond parody, beyond high farce and beyond bloody belief.
Rabz
10 Oct 12 at 12:16 pm
As Biden would say, this is a big f***en deal:
So I’m sure everyone knows why it is illegal for foreigners to donate the political campaign.
Obama sure does:
Token
10 Oct 12 at 12:16 pm
The US state department is clear about the Benghazi attackes:
Token
10 Oct 12 at 12:19 pm
The only people saying that are loser leftists who read the likes of the vulgar Jezebel site: aka a small portion of Age readers.
Decent and civilised individuals saw a screeching, harping emotional break down before the biggest fuck up and embarrassment in parliament ever.
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 12:25 pm
I remember during the first election tonnes of people outside of America gleefully saying they were donating via credit card. And the Obama campaign happily accepting their donations.
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 12:28 pm
I only caught highlights of yesterdays disgrace in parliament. Fuck me, politics in this country has hit rock bottom and started to dig, but thats not the point of this comment.
What I noticed from Gillards pathetic rant (badass motherfucker? no, a fatass husbandfucker), was that she is also physically retarded. Not just the huge fat arse, but the way she was trying to point at Abbott. If you can stomach it, have a look – the woman is so fucked up she can’t even point properly – the body position, the fucked up hand and the bent arm – it doesn’t look right.
But now there’s talk of how the screeching rant was scripted and it fits with the deformed point. She was remembering the script and trying to act, but fucked the pointing up. Either that or she needs Stephen Hawkings wheelchair.
harrys on the boat
10 Oct 12 at 1:01 pm
That is what normal people see, yet the stenographers report it as a triumphian performance.
Where is the humour?
Token
10 Oct 12 at 1:05 pm
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
*takes breath*
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Oh my.
Fleeced
10 Oct 12 at 1:14 pm
I simply cannot believe that News Ltd are running almost word for word The Ages borderline insane “truimphal” gillard rant story linking to Jezebel.com calling Gillard a “bad arsed motherfucker”. Then quoting a few unknown UK actors and some shitty overseas blogs.
I mean seriously do they seriously want to link Gillard with that Jezebel.com?? Does a major “serious” news organisation really want to be linking to that fucked up site?
Has the world gone mad?
Does the PM’s office send out these stories and the papers just run them without looking at them?
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 1:15 pm
Oh well Twostix, on the up side I see that the Mysoginist thread has become a crache for all the juvenile trolls.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 1:22 pm
Steve’s over there defending Gillard calling housewives prostitutes and all males rapists.
That very dim numbers guy is ranting mouthing ALP talking points but thinking they’re of his own making.
Nice and quiet here.
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 1:27 pm
So onto the next big ALP fuckup: The leadership challenge.
How’s Rudd going to finagle himeself back into the role, and who is going to survive it?
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 1:28 pm
Gillard still hasn’t been PM as long as Rudd was, has she? That point occurs in January 2013, I believe. No doubt Rudd wants her toppled before then
It’s amazing how bad she has been in such a short time.
Fleeced
10 Oct 12 at 1:33 pm
Question Time a few moments ago:
Sub-prime: ‘He just called me “a piece of work”.’
Oo-ah.
He should be more accurate, hey. The correct term Tony, is “a piece of sh*t”.
Septimus
10 Oct 12 at 1:34 pm
We need an Open Mysoginist Thread to act as a troll magnet..
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 1:40 pm
I saw that… “He referred to me as a piece of work. I ask that the comment be withdrawn!”
Seriously? Why, is it sexist?
Abbott withdrew it, as is custom, but I wish he’d pulled a Keating.
Fleeced
10 Oct 12 at 1:42 pm
reckless negativity… Gillard needs some new lines
Fleeced
10 Oct 12 at 1:47 pm
Nasty piece of work is more apt.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 1:49 pm
Hope Abbott works in “dying of shame” today.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 1:50 pm
I cannot believe that Bolt and others adored her.
Then he lectures her on judgement! Repent Bolt, repent a million times!
Rudd should just force a spill right now who on earth would side with Gillard after this colossal fuckup?
Will Nanny Roxon survive the post Gillard purge?
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 1:53 pm
Steve Wynn On Obama: “I’ll Be Damned If I Want To Have Him Lecture Me”
WYNN: I’ve created about 250,000 direct and indirect jobs according to the state of Nevada’s measurement. If the number is 250,000, that’s exactly 250,000 more than this president, who I’ll be damned if I want to have him lecture me about small business and jobs. I’m a job creator. Guys like me are job creators and we don’t like having a bulls-eye painted on our back.
The president is trying to put himself between me and my employees.
RALSTON: How?
By class warfare, by deprecating and calling a group that makes money ‘billionaires and millionaires who don’t pay their share.’ I gave 120% of my salary and bonus away last year to charities, as I do most years. I can’t stand the idea of being demagogued, that is put down by a president who has never created any jobs and who doesn’t even understand how the economy works.
JamesK
10 Oct 12 at 1:55 pm
Wynn supported Obumma in ’08
JamesK
10 Oct 12 at 1:55 pm
She’s gone full retard, turning the dial to 11.
The end is nigh for her and her little band of traitorous cohorts and she knows it. If she goes and Rudd returns this is also the last chance that the ALP will be able to use the sexism attack so by god they’re going to wring it for all it’s worth.
Which presents an interesting thought…once Gillard’s gone and they no longer have that, what the hell do they have?
“Negativity”? Again?
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 1:57 pm
Steve Wynn not only has amazing casinos, he’s a lifelong Democrat.
I also suspect he and his cronies have made Harry Reid very rich illegally.
Infidel Tiger
10 Oct 12 at 2:00 pm
Labor ‘women’ sure are weak and needy.
Compare them to a real woman…
C.L.
10 Oct 12 at 2:10 pm
The “numbers” racket.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 2:10 pm
No, they’ll keep stealing the coalition’s policies, especially the ones they most denigrate. They will then claim that electing the coalition would make no difference because the liberal’s policies are carbon copies of the labor’s (ie. the liberal’s have stolen labor’s policies, when the reverse will be the reality, oh and don’t mention the debt or deficits).
Keith
10 Oct 12 at 2:14 pm
Suffolk Calls NC, VA, FL For Romney, Will No Longer Poll States
David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Research Center, says his polling organization will no longer take anymore presidential polls in the states of North Carolina, Virginia and Florida.
“In places like North Carolina, Virginia and Florida, we’ve already painted those red. We’re not polling any of those states again. We’re focusing on the remaining states,” Paleologos announced on FOX News’ “O’Reilly Factor” on Tuesday.
JamesK
10 Oct 12 at 2:17 pm
She ranted and raved almost obscenely at Tony Abbott yesterday almost defaming him in Parliament. McTernan then sends out videos around the world about the ‘bad misogynist Abbott.’
“A piece of work” is a very mild retort.
candy
10 Oct 12 at 2:17 pm
Steve
10 Oct 12 at 2:18 pm
Anyone hear the latest meme Romney is out of touch with voters who are intelligent/possibly educated?
I don’t get it. Why would they vote for Joe freaking Biden?
.
10 Oct 12 at 2:33 pm
BRUTAL new American Crossroads web ad destroys Obama over the 9/11 Benghazi attacks
JamesK
10 Oct 12 at 2:35 pm
You must be extremely bored Gab.
SteveC
10 Oct 12 at 2:37 pm
I think they’ll wait and see what next weeks polls say. If they’re bad news Gillard’s got to act or the ALP do.
After this, if the polls don’t move where do they go? Turn the dial to 15 and start having “misogynist” show trials?
Go back to weak demure Gillard (remember that one?) Go back to giggling school girl Gillard? Go back to flirty Gillard?
Go back to trying to condition us with the weird repitition of the phrase Moving Forward?
If after all this the polls don’t improve wtf are they going to do?
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 2:38 pm
This is what Lefties to do to those who try to rise above their assigned station:
Token
10 Oct 12 at 2:49 pm
Ads for Mercedes-Benz were being run on the Chris Smith show on 2GB this afternoon.Strange seeing as they announced that they had cancelled all advertising with 2GB.Still car dealers will tell you anything I suppose.
Lew
10 Oct 12 at 2:51 pm
LOL, Sheehan via Bolta,
Huckleberry Chunkwot
10 Oct 12 at 2:54 pm
Lew, if you read the Mercedes Benz starement, you will see their contract requires 28 days notice of cancellation
SteveC
10 Oct 12 at 3:00 pm
Is Andrew Leigh a Misogynist? He appears to hate mussels but loves sausage.
harrys on the boat
10 Oct 12 at 3:43 pm
SteveC,one might have thought that Mercedes-Benz,if they felt so strongly about being associated with Jones and 2GB,would have requested that ads not be played and simply paid out the remaining few days of the contract period. But we are talking about car dealers so perhaps I’m being a little naive.
Lew
10 Oct 12 at 3:52 pm
Labor to private customers: You’ll use what we tell you to use:
Perfectly happy with your ADSL and ISP? Too bad.
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 4:00 pm
Lara Logan: 60 Minutes Reporter Openly Blasts Obama For Being Soft on Terrorism
“They will kill your children” and their own.
“Malala Yousafzai: Pakistan bullet surgery ‘successful’ ”
Will the collective Left now ostracise Lara for her temerity to state the truth that they do not wish to hear/see.
Rudiau
10 Oct 12 at 5:56 pm
Sales lets Wong get away with bare faced lies on 7.30.
Wong twice asserted that Abbott has said that women are not fit for high office. He has never said this. Sales didn’t challenge it.
C’mon pathetic lefty trolls. Provide us with evidence that Abbott ever said this. If you can’t then you are agreeing that Labor lies about Abbott and sexism.
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 6:54 pm
And it’s going to get worse as their poll numbers fall and the election comes nearer. They’ll ramp it to beyond absurd. It’s an excellent strategy and I hope they keep it up.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 7:03 pm
Fairfax down as low as 0.392 this afternoon (10 October).
They been listening to the Coles Ads – Down, Down, Down!!!!!!
Mike of Marion
10 Oct 12 at 7:14 pm
Wow, Paul Sheehan let lose with both barrels tonight:
Token
10 Oct 12 at 7:30 pm
Token
10 Oct 12 at 7:32 pm
Loved this line too:
She’s a skidmark on the bedsheet of Australian politics.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 7:34 pm
Agree. Let them keep believing their own PR despite all evidence, like the AGW crowd.
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 7:35 pm
It is reported that Howard and Abbott are going to attend the Bali 10th Anniversary. I’d suggest to both these two to NOT be on the same platform as the PM – something might happen.
Mike
Mike of Marion
10 Oct 12 at 7:39 pm
“something might happen.”
Like what, if I may ask thanks? arguments or stuff or security issues?
candy
10 Oct 12 at 7:44 pm
Quentin Bryce is in the news about male-on-female domestic violence. This would broaden her mind:
http://elusivewapiti.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/women-at-least-as-likely-as-men-to.html
Julian O'Dea
10 Oct 12 at 7:58 pm
They’re going to double down. Hate does that to you. Perhaps she could go for an all female front bench reshuffle.
Rousie
10 Oct 12 at 7:59 pm
She has to keep the pressure on. Rudd will be moving now that she has made another 2 monumental blunders.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 8:05 pm
I would be surprised if that thought hasn’t occurred to her, Rousie, but she doesn’t have enough of them. Look at her front bench: 17 males and 3 females. But the interesting thing is all the top positions are filled by women. I mean we have a female PM, a female GG, a female Speaker, a female AG.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 8:09 pm
For those that have been influenced or appreciated his work, I hear that J. J. C. Smart has died. His Atheism and Theism co-authored with Haldane is one of the classics. R.I.P.
dover_beach
10 Oct 12 at 8:17 pm
And yet all of the ALP hierarchy is run by stereotypical “mysognist” men, she serves at the leisure of these men, she speaks and acts in the manner that her thuggish male Scotish thug tells her to and is constantly on the run from a wee little man who has been waiting in the wings for two years now undermining her while she relys on the vote of arch-misogynist union fund embezzling, whore visiting union bully boy Craig Thompson.
No wonder she’s frustrated and is taking her rage out on the only man that she’s allowed to. Look at the type of men who she is surrounded by and whose bidding she does.
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 8:20 pm
*sigh* that’s another book to add to the reading list.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 8:24 pm
Good point made elsewhere – she didn’t think Abbott was a misogynist when she was flirting with him each week on channel Nine’s Today show.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 8:26 pm
Subprime attacks Abbott for ‘relentless negativity’.
McTernan: ‘There are a lot of myths about political campaigning. Top of these is the idea that negative campaigning never works.’
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 8:32 pm
That’s because he is a married man with children. She finds them attractive and wants to posess..
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 8:36 pm
Don’t laugh too hard. Gillard is succeeding in firing up the base. They are hopping mad about Abbott’s sexism, about Abbott channelling Jones, and about the smear campaign against the PM.
Chortle at your peril.
dd
10 Oct 12 at 8:42 pm
Who – all five hundred of them?
All your base are belong to us…
Rabz
10 Oct 12 at 8:45 pm
She might not get a single extra vote out of this, but she’s raising the temperature and that’s not a laughing matter. Also, this is laying landmines for PM Abbott, by signalling to various interest groups that he is their enemy.
dd
10 Oct 12 at 8:48 pm
McTernan did not say it always works, and he did not guarantee it will work this time.
Lazy thinking from a shallow and inept government.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 8:50 pm
Neither laughing nor chortling. I’m serious. They are digging their own polling grave. This campaign shall backfire on them becuase it is based on lies and people are sick of it.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 8:50 pm
The base of Labor is always fired up. All my life I’ve encountered extremely angry lefties who are driven by hate.
It is harder to keep people focused with noble emotions.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 8:51 pm
See also the scottish git’s comment about negative campaigning – it works alright, just not the way he thinks it does…
Rabz
10 Oct 12 at 8:55 pm
I’m not laughing now and I wasn’t laughing then.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 8:55 pm
To elaborate – this upcoming election will be the case in point.
Negative away, molluscs…
Rabz
10 Oct 12 at 8:56 pm
Dave – the people in these interest group would despise Abbott regardless.
Let them huff…
Rabz
10 Oct 12 at 8:59 pm
interest groups…
Rabz
10 Oct 12 at 8:59 pm
McTernan has done nothing but create clusterfuck after clusterfuck for Gillard.
He’s only out here because one of his major clusterfucks in the UK nearly ended up with him going to prison thus losing him his promised safe preselected seat and leaving him unemployable by anybody but low level rump politicians in scotland.
And before he was hired by Gillard he was hanging around the backwater arse of the world in SA doing absolutely nothing useful.
He’s really not that good.
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 9:00 pm
The ‘base’ fired up by this is very small: trendy inner city dwellers and the Lake Burley Griffin political pack. It is much harder to win actual hearts and minds in voterville, which is what Abbott is doing.
Lefty trolls: still nothing to say about Wong’s lies?
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 9:00 pm
I wonder if McTernan is a married man. Could explain a lot..
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 9:03 pm
In other news, Boris Johnson is a legend. Like Campbell Newman but with a better sense of humour.
Lately he’s been getting stuck into Francois Hollande, saying “”, Not since 1789 has there been such tyranny in France and rolling out the red carpet for tax exiles to come to the UK.
I heard him on the French news, saying, in a fairly passable imitation of their language, ‘you’re all welcome here’
papachango
10 Oct 12 at 9:04 pm
It’s always the narrowest constituencies that shriek the loudest. The punters have cottoned on. As mentioned previously, it’s been a Labour led education revolution of another kind.
I’ll be happy while ever these regressives keep asking fish what water is like.
Rousie
10 Oct 12 at 9:06 pm
Look at McTernan’s twitter feed. He has his eyes on the UK. This time in Australia is just a dalliance.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 9:06 pm
You know what, Abbott really didn’t to say the government is dying of shame. It is, it’s a shameful monster. However the words were identical to what Jones used and he did disavow them/him.
I think it was unnecessary as there were other ways of describing what an abortion of a government it is..
JC
10 Oct 12 at 9:07 pm
There are so many French exiles in London now that it is recognised as a district that elects Deputies to the National Assembly
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 9:09 pm
Boris is a legend..
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 9:12 pm
You’re right, they’re also fired up in QLD against Newmann too. It’s not really affecting him though.
They’re a small detached percentage of the population.
They’re the sort slapping their flippers together over oh so clever jezebel.com “arse kicking motherfucker” article, truly vulgar stuff been linked to by oh so clever “witty” office interns in the supposedly “serious” news media. Apparently us suburbanites are supposed to be impressed by it.
The problem is that article on the various sites is attracting about 3/1 negative comments for Gillard.
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 9:13 pm
Yes, a stepping stone back to real important stuff. Real politics like the UK.
Who do you think released the youtube video of the shrieking Gillard verbally bashing Abbott? Who do you think nudged the vid in the direction of the guardian and jezebel.com?
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 9:15 pm
More to the point, why was the video released a couple of hours after the event? “hey world, especially those in the UK, look at my handywork. Got any jobs for me there?”
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 9:16 pm
They’re over at the other thread don’t bring them here! How much better is it without them around?
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 9:17 pm
Woman on US shopping channel passes out. The dude just keeps on selling.
Death of a salesman takes new meaning.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/10/09/video-qvc-host-collapses-on-air/
JC
10 Oct 12 at 9:19 pm
The ALP fair dinkum locked in Lindsay & Greenway behind Abbott this week, no question.
Bradbury will have to pull out something big to top his McHales Navy act alongside the PM last election. Perhaps a Rambo style invasion of Indo hunting down people smugglers.
Rousie
10 Oct 12 at 9:19 pm
Chritine Milne:
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/abbott-guilty-of-sexism-milne-20121010-27cz5.html#ixzz28tUhqWoB
Translation. He doesn’t take it up the shitter and he can change a tyre.
Infidel Tiger
10 Oct 12 at 9:20 pm
Yes, and thereby saying ‘look at moi’ to the colleagues in the UK. I am sure Gillard and the team have McTernan’s solid support…
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 9:21 pm
Milne’s been feeling left out. Brown rang her up and told her what to say.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 9:21 pm
Agreed, mea culpa. As I said earlier, we need an Open Mysoginy Thread as a troll magnet.
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 9:23 pm
Don’t you just get the feeling how irrelevant the slime has become.
mark my words, there will come a day when people who voted for them will feel embarrassed they did.
JC
10 Oct 12 at 9:24 pm
It’s certainly better than being an overweight middle aged frump like Tubbsie.
JC
10 Oct 12 at 9:25 pm
Abbott guilty of sexism?
This shit is starting to get really fucking creepy.
Misogyny show trials just around the corner.
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 9:26 pm
Gillard interacting with The Misogynist #1
Gillard interacting with The Misogynist #2
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 9:27 pm
Jezebel is an extremist site. Not mainstream. Very misandrist.
Julian O'Dea
10 Oct 12 at 9:28 pm
JC says
“You know what, Abbott really didn’t to say the government is dying of shame. It is, it’s a shameful monster. However the words were identical to what Jones used and he did disavow them/him.
I think it was unnecessary as there were other ways of describing what an abortion of a government it is..”
Yes there were other ways to say what he wanted to say and this is a major problem area of Abbott’s. There is a streak of underlying aggression there and its one he needs to keep under control. He comes across looking like he agrees with what Alan Jones said and that was socially a pretty horrible remark – enough to get a lot of people angry off because he spoke in an very disrespectful manner about what should have been a personal family affair for Gillard.
There are times when politicians and their agitators / defenders need to put aside politics and show some simple common decency and respect (and leave the topic of a family death well alone) no matter which party to which (and that is exactly what ticked off so many people about Jones comments).
Alice
10 Oct 12 at 9:29 pm
Jack Welch, WSJ: I Was Right About That Strange Jobs Report
The economy would need to be growing at breakneck speed for unemployment to drop to 7.8% from 8.3% in the course of two months.
JamesK
10 Oct 12 at 9:30 pm
House UnFeminist Activities Committee hearings:
“Are you, or have you ever been, a bloke?”
Julian O'Dea
10 Oct 12 at 9:31 pm
Utter rubbish, Alice.
No doubt the usual journalists and Gillard acolytes have hit out at Abbott for his comment in Parliament yesterday that the government was “ethically bankrupt” and should “already have died of shame”.
Naturally Gillard linked this to her late father. How opportunistic of her to again attempt to blame Abbott for something Jones said well over two weeks ago. How blatant the victim card she played trading on her father’s death.
The trouble for Gillard, and all those loyal journalists, is Abbott has already said this before today on a number of occasions in relation to the behaviour of this government:
- Hansard, 2 November 2011, under “Business”.
- Hansard, 14 March 2012, under “Motions”.
- Hansard, 20 September 2011, under “Matters of Public Importance”.
So it’s not something Abbott said in reference to Gillard’s late father as Gillard and the media would have us believe.
And by the way, Abbott is correct. The members of the Gillard/Rudd government ought to die of shame for five years of their incompetence, the massive waste of taxpayer’s money on their failed schemes, the many broken promises and their lies.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 9:33 pm
I’m sure the Labor beta-males will be happy to renounce the tiny shreds of masculinity they have to save their testicles.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 9:34 pm
This shit is starting to get really fucking creepy.
Misogyny show trials just around the corner.
This is no exaggeration. I can’t recall where in the media, but Abbott’s penchant for speedos was tendered as evidence of his misogyny.
dover_beach
10 Oct 12 at 9:34 pm
IT:
Gold!
Mk50 of Brisbane
10 Oct 12 at 9:35 pm
Quite so.
_____________
Gab, try not to feed the trolls. That one was willing to waste a full day of Dot’s time.
Token
10 Oct 12 at 9:37 pm
All the green beta boys rang her in a panic: “Do something Christine, you have to do something!”
For some reason that famous Leave Brittany Alone utube clip just came to mind…
Rousie
10 Oct 12 at 9:38 pm
DB
Abbott really did say that to shit stir.
JC
10 Oct 12 at 9:39 pm
For a misogynist Abbott has a rather generous maternity leave scheme. My wife thought it rather wonderful.
Infidel Tiger
10 Oct 12 at 9:39 pm
perhaps Tony Abbott turned down c. Milne as well as j.gillard
hell hath no fury
candy
10 Oct 12 at 9:41 pm
No aggression from lardarse then. Is ‘badass motherfucker’ a term used in knitting?
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 9:42 pm
He wears speedos when he’s volunteering for the Life Savers or racing in triathlons.
Just like everybody else.
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 9:42 pm
Maybe so but it is also part of his speech pattern and appears to genuinely believe it.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 9:43 pm
As for Dot
It would appear on this thread he finds a need to whinge about me quite a lot when Ive gone to bed a long ago and arent even interested in communicating with him (like in bed literally 12 hours ago and Dot is still rambling on with all these things and people and names and professions he thinks in his hallucingenic mind that somehow belong to me.?
Ive heard of fevered imaginations and those who make shit up about other people and situations but Dot really gets a distinction for this
Not only that he has a few friends who hang off every bullshit word he says.
Reality – no wonder they cant predict the outcome of the next election or see what exactly is wrong with the campaign in their own party.
Christ dont hire these people (dot and co) as conservative party “image consultants” or “political media advisers” or even “political campaign analysts”
Dot and friends are useless, unrealistic, uncritical, denialists who are clearly happy to invent their own version of reality.
Id make a better adviser to conservative political campaigning because I can actually see what pisses people off and what doesnt (mainly bevause I dont give a fig about any political party).
Blinded by their own inner musings and not much use at all, are some.
Alice
10 Oct 12 at 9:44 pm
Are we to believe that Gillard after her insane regular unhinged wall of abuses isn’t aggressive??
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 9:46 pm
Alice, you might need to talk to someone about this.. (not us)
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 9:46 pm
Watching Annabel Crabb with Joe Hockey in his Canberra share house now. Quite amusing. ABC 2.
steve from brisbane
10 Oct 12 at 9:47 pm
Yes, twostix, she’s female Labor so it’s different when she does it.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 9:47 pm
Normal service resumes on your ALPBC. Mr Gai Brodtmann hails “a brilliant speech” hailed “around the world” Gillard on 7.30 Report.
H B Bear
10 Oct 12 at 9:48 pm
What surprises me is that we have a government that:
has a long-standing allegiance to the idea of policing emotions (particularly hate),
now claims that even secret and un-confessed emotions render one unfit for office; indeed, in this case, Abbott is guilty of not feeling the appropriate emotion strongly enough, having only a passing regard for women rather than whole-hearted adulation;
is attempting to gain legal control of the print media including licensing those newspapers deemed suitable for publication,
and lastly, wants near-monopoly control of telecommunications with a full and secret filter on electronic information.
Why is nobody shitting kittens at this point?
wreckage
10 Oct 12 at 9:50 pm
Gab
You say this
“Naturally Gillard linked this to her late father”
You know I watched it on TV and actually I distinctly thought Abbot used the word shame to have a dig so I dont think Gillard did link this deliberately. Abbot intended her to link it (his comment was intended to be deliberately provocative) and she was provoked and made the link. Thats where he stuffed up badly.
He had the leading comment which was meant to rile her (and was related to the comments made by Jones about her father) and she turned it back on him.
Bad luck for him. He should have known. Even JC admits it.
Alice
10 Oct 12 at 9:51 pm
Oh, I forgot, those same people want a government-run educational regimen for two-year-olds.
It’s a good thing I can’t afford to emigrate. Possibly to Iran, which if trends hold will be more liberal than Australia in a month or two.
wreckage
10 Oct 12 at 9:52 pm
You’re so wonderful Alice, tell us all about that expensive food and milk that you want everybody to have to pay for again.
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 9:53 pm
Fuck me with a barnacle covered barge pole:
Misogynist urinals.
The whole country’s gone stark raving troppo.
Infidel Tiger
10 Oct 12 at 9:53 pm
He wears speedos when he’s volunteering for the Life Savers or racing in triathlons.
Just like everybody else.
Oh, come on, twostix. I suppose, next, you’ll say the hairs on his chest are innocent and not expressions of a base masculinity.
dover_beach
10 Oct 12 at 9:54 pm
However what Gab says is interesting.
Did Tony Abbot put the died of shame words in Alan Jones train of thought seeing as Abbot has used them fairly innocuously on a number of occasions in Hansard in the past and given that AJ is such a fervent supporter, maybe he just picked up on TA’s usage and twisted it? You might be right Gab. Its not 100% clear is it?
Doesnt excuse AJ though – he is a liability.
Alice
10 Oct 12 at 9:56 pm
The government spends a month saying Abbott only gets along with his wife, sisters, daughters because they’re all dumb sluts, and then Abbott has made a mistake for using the word “shame”?
Mistakes have been made, for sure. By the ALP. They are fucked, and their absolute gutter tactics show that they know it.
Their further mistake is that at one time, Australian politics might have been above something like auditing every single Union in Australia just to make a point. No longer.
wreckage
10 Oct 12 at 9:56 pm
Would you rather be masculine or hyper-masculine?
Infidel Tiger
10 Oct 12 at 9:57 pm
No, it’s being viewed internationally on youtube at the same level as brawls in the Ukrainian parliament, or a dog doing something silly..
Video yourself shitting upside down and you would get the same level of interest.
These leftards are cringeingly insular and terminally delusional
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 9:57 pm
She’s a traitor to the sistahood and ought to be punished and forced to wear sensible brown shoes.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 9:57 pm
Alice
tony abbott has been on the receiving end of abuse from swan gillard albanese roxon marr and other journalists for weeks on end now, day in day out all through the media
try to walk in someone elses shoes for a bit you might gain some sensitivity
candy
10 Oct 12 at 9:59 pm
I wish I was in parliament. I would have asked Gillard after yesterday’s meltdown “If Aunt Flo was paying a visit?”
Infidel Tiger
10 Oct 12 at 10:01 pm
lol the poll linked to the misogynist urinals:
Do you find the urinals at Ananas offensive?
Yes, it’s a disturbing message 24%
No, lighten up 76%
Total votes: 16552.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 10:01 pm
If the Labor handbag battalion can’t handle the heat they shouldn’t be allowed in the kitchen. Chances are they’d burn our eggs any way.
Infidel tiger
10 Oct 12 at 10:04 pm
IT, that would be Aunt Irma Visits (incidently,the name of the show is The IT Crowd.
entropy
10 Oct 12 at 10:06 pm
IT has his own crowd? Awesome.
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 10:07 pm
sfb, it was interesting to hear Joe say “Life is grey, legislation is black and white”. A sentiment that could help some of the less rational posters here.
SteveC
10 Oct 12 at 10:12 pm
It was a great show, wasn’t it MeC? Annabel is witty and very likeable and fair. This makes her reviled by most people here.
steve from brisbane
10 Oct 12 at 10:16 pm
Oh my god what in the hell happened to this country?
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 10:16 pm
Yeah right Alice, a self professed Marxian lecturer of economics like you is more in touch with the common man than the various people on this blog with a variety of educations, life experiences and private and public sector work?
You do realise you’re an extremist who follows a 19th century anti semite whose mathematically invalid crank theories of economics lead to the most bloodthirsty tyranny of human history?
Gillard will lose the next election the same way the Austrians lost at Austerlitz. They won’t even see it coming. Gillard has an industrious level of toxicity. She could very well destroy her party. The smug end of days talk Kwyggern talked up about the Liberals comes back to haunt the ALP.
.
10 Oct 12 at 10:18 pm
Lets change the subject.
Id like to make a point about an item in todays paper.
A 55k (weight) skinny little policeman by the name of Lim says he tasered that Brazilian guy who died so many times because he knew the Brazilian guy was so much bigger than him and he felt threatened???
What?
What happened to the days when we hired cops precisely because they were big enough to handle crims with a punch themslves and then just throw them in the back of the paddy wagon?
Its utterly ridiculous what you see now with these little tiny female and other cops.
We have lost the plot. Police need to be big and strong so they dont go tasering people to death because they feel the suspect is bigger than them.
It wouldnt have happened decades ago. The cops would have maybe punched someone na couple of times and chucked them in the paddy wagon because they were just as mean.
Something wrong with the recruitment policies of the police force. If they cant handle the heat in the kitchen they sure shouldnt be walking around with a weapon in their hands.
Alice
10 Oct 12 at 10:19 pm
I had forgotten that Hockey was happy to let the ETS go through.
Obviously, the future is Turnbull with Hockey as Deputy.
Those in the party who refuse to believe in AGW and get all their information from Bolt will then need to resign or be exiled to Macquarie Island for rat extermination duties. It’ll warm up eventually.
steve from brisbane
10 Oct 12 at 10:19 pm
The IT crowd is a fabulously hilarious show. The Aunt Irma episode (the last of series 1) is side splitting, while the first episode of series two at the gay theatre was absolutely awesome, paying out on gay and disabled politics. And the episode where the CEO died. One for the smokers.
Oh, and anything with the former executive/goth Richmond in it.
entropy
10 Oct 12 at 10:20 pm
Another example of Fairfax being totally out of sync with its own readers.
I mean dusting off moaning old bigoted dinsoaur Anne Summers for a comments on something that’s there to appeal to young people?
Seriously?
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 10:20 pm
Okay, I’ve got to defend the removal of the urinals, but only on the grounds that it must be really, REALLY disconcerting for most men on this planet to go to the toilet and find themselves pissing into the likeness of a human mouth. Of either gender.
Sure, I know there are people who are into that sort of thing, both as givers and receivers, but it is not most human beings’ cup of… whatever. There were far more solid and general grounds (plain old bad taste) on which to demand their removal.
perturbed
10 Oct 12 at 10:21 pm
about the reporting that ‘the Gillard misogyny speech went viral’ I can’t find any evidence of that statement, if you google Gillard news the only reporting of virality comes from the Aust media, where’s the reporting by the overseas media? Huh
The New Yorker reported on it as ‘great fun’ http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/10/julia-gillards-misogyny-speech.html#ixzz28r88kvOf%20
there are a few comments both for and against, here is one funny one Ms Gillard and her government are desperately seeking distractions to the fact that they hang onto government by a thread. Mr Abbott is not a misogynist but she and her pathetic fellows are clutching at straws. I understand her speech has “gone viral” and someone asked could they borrow her in the U.S. A resounding ‘YES’ to that. As long as you don’t give her back!!!! She is an embarrassment.
there’s a few other links in the Oz article but seems to be a very small pond in the global sense, so I don’t see that it had a global impact
Whereas the Presidential debate, well that did go viral and global but Gillard is not in that sphere in my view
val majkus
10 Oct 12 at 10:22 pm
Um, yes, I think the urinals are in very poor taste.
This is obvious.
steve from brisbane
10 Oct 12 at 10:23 pm
Anne Summers is a barking moonbat with no productive output whatsoever.
.
10 Oct 12 at 10:23 pm
Hockey didn’t seem to share much ground with Abbott. Shadow cabinet meetings could be fun! His line about “why do we lock up refugees” when he was acting minister for everything was also revealing. The weirdest part of the show was Brendan Nelson’s standard of accomodation when he was defence minister. What the hell was he spending his minister’s salary on?
SteveC
10 Oct 12 at 10:23 pm
I never like Nelson. Obviously he was a cheapskate too.
steve from brisbane
10 Oct 12 at 10:26 pm
Alice
Don’t be so heteronormative.
.
10 Oct 12 at 10:26 pm
Sure Steve, the thought will make me feel good as I survey my electricty bill that is nearly 75% higher than any former bill, due to a combination of a carbon tax that wont do anything for the environment and the bloody cold winter forcing us to use the heater nearly every day.
And I am sure it will make me feel better about the temperatures next friday, saturday and Sunday when I take the kiddies camping. Friday: 11-23, Saturday, 10-25; Sunday 11-25. In mid October! FFS.
entropy
10 Oct 12 at 10:26 pm
Oh Fuckme – here is the idiot Dot.
Goodnight Dot. Its my bedtime.
(tonight in Dots fevered mind Im a Marxian lecturer. Yesterday I was an abortion nurse. Before that I was a fraud for claiming I was once a nurse – not not an abortion nurse. I wonder what I will be tomorrow in the land of Dot??)
Make it interesting at least Dot? Id like a new career but not one like yours
ie a poor econ phd student on the dole with a febrile imagination who spends more time blogging that studying his econ.
Alice
10 Oct 12 at 10:26 pm
You just don’t get it, do you, dot?
People know less and less about business, work, tax, and investment the longer they spend engaged in those activities.
Eventually, you get to people who worked for years, then started their own business and worked even harder, and finally have some coin to invest.
They of course have the opposite of knowledge; everything they say is totally inverse to the truth as rightly understood. Indeed, they do not even understand their own privileged history of being born into wealth! Many of them claim to be from the working class or the children of impoverished soldier-settlers! Absurd!!!
wreckage
10 Oct 12 at 10:26 pm
Alice they got rid of those requirements because they were Sexist, they prevented ladies from entering the front line police force.
Seriously, you damn Abbott but your own comments above would have you damned by the Gillardian sisterhood as a self hating “not real” woman yourself.
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 10:27 pm
Misogynist urinals
Bet there’s clamouring among the homosexual bars in Sydney to get hold of them!
Speaking of homosexuals, I expect pwong and the lying Slapper’s screechy duet in full throated shrieky wail mode over the blatant misogyny of the male homosexuals know as the ‘sisters’ of perpetual… erm
sodomy, nope that’s not it,freckle punchingno, still not right…dung beetlitude, nope, still not right,indulgence. That’s it.Any second now….
waiting….
Just about time….
Should be about now….
Gonna be any second I tells ya…
…
…
…
Why are the crickets chirping?
Mk50 of Brisbane
10 Oct 12 at 10:30 pm
No sexism with these urinals. What would the female version of misogny be for the urinal on the left?
Splatacrobat
10 Oct 12 at 10:30 pm
Dot
Define and explain – heteronormative. Thats a very big word for you to be using this time of night expecially since I share the concerns of a few in here that you dont know the difference between “imply” and “infer”.
I hope you have you MQ dictionary with you. I wouldnt want you to feel uncomfotable with the choice of too big a word.
Now goodnight Dot. Its always lovely to argue with you – I quite enjoy it (and I will for the next ten years!)
Alice
10 Oct 12 at 10:32 pm
Oh look Anne Summers house husband has arrived.
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 10:32 pm
Shitfer:
Whysoever not?
He did a splendid number on inventing a patent boarding bridge for taking first rates.
Mk50 of Brisbane
10 Oct 12 at 10:34 pm
When you’re happy for the liquid soap dispensers to be in the shape of a penis, twostix, get back to me.
steve from brisbane
10 Oct 12 at 10:37 pm
Reply to Wreckage:
Why is nobody shitting kittens at this point?
Because those who find all these things repugnant (as you and I do) have already shat every juvenile feline from house-cat to lion – and having done so ever since Rudd and Conroy first said ‘clean feed’, there ain’t nothing more to shit.
And those who hope to make full and free use of these obscenities aren’t shitting kittens because they’re ejaculating them with squeals of fascistic glee every time the government finds a new excuse to clamp down on free expression in the name of “good manners”.
perturbed
10 Oct 12 at 10:39 pm
It’s a religion, you have it nailed..
Lazlo
10 Oct 12 at 10:45 pm
Twostix
You say
“Alice they got rid of those requirements because they were Sexist, they prevented ladies from entering the front line police force.
Seriously, you damn Abbott but your own comments above would have you damned by the Gillardian sisterhood as a self hating “not real” woman yourself.”
Who smade it a rule that I have to agree with every policy in one party or the other??. I dont feel obliged to agree with all policy in party lines at all. I agree with ideas not parties.
I am a swinging voter. I am not rusted on to anyone or any party in politics.
So poor old Dot calls me a Marxist loudly because he cant work out what I am and screaming “marxist” is safer yto Dot.
If he really knew me he might also call me an agrarian socialist or a pro protectionist and a pro public transport services but not pro other public services oh and anti edication expenses like hecs debts on our young but Im all for hiring tough male cops rather than putting weapons in the hands of girls or skinny males who wont cut it under pressure dealing with criminals.
Its intellectually weak to let youself be totally defined by your political allegiances. Its like saying
“Ill just join up and I dont have to worry about thinking myself and whatever they think I’ll think??”
Alice
10 Oct 12 at 10:47 pm
I’m sorry Steve, is that all the Mrs provides for you?
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 10:48 pm
way too much of that already
Alice
10 Oct 12 at 10:50 pm
I don’t care what you are, I’m just pointing it out to you that it’s pretty stupid to “swing” to a party who damns you as a Misogynist – it’s worst crime.
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 10:53 pm
Bunyip has a marvellous piece on Mr Anne Summers.
I’d say he’s been sitting down to piss all his adult life. In solidarity for the sisterhood and all that.
H B Bear
10 Oct 12 at 10:53 pm
This is why I rarely scroll.
C.L.
10 Oct 12 at 10:53 pm
Page up and page down help – it usually takes a double tap on the key to get past Alice’s ravings though.
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 11:05 pm
It’s obvious that beta scum like liar-steve™ would find the urinals obviously in bad taste.
Every otherAny bloke would chuckle.JamesK
10 Oct 12 at 11:12 pm
Good point, the entire “story” in the Australian media is hitched on the porno site “jezebel.com” then contains a mishmash of unknown twitterers, a couple of unkown blogs and that is all.
Completely fabricated.
The papers are working overtime to kowtow to Gillard. Now why would that be? Oh look Gillard and Conroy trotted out the old media regulation meme last week.
They’re nothing if not absolute cowards are our MSM.
twostix
10 Oct 12 at 11:12 pm
He did a splendid number on inventing a patent boarding bridge for taking first rates.
On at least one occasion, I do believe that bridge constituted a second, already-captured first-rate!
perturbed
10 Oct 12 at 11:17 pm
Curti coronial inquest: policeman admits tasering naked, handcuffed, pepper-sprayed man.
Aren’t collusion and perjury criminal offences?
C.L.
10 Oct 12 at 11:29 pm
Security, Candy, appears to be the issue:
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 11:46 pm
Gab
10 Oct 12 at 11:55 pm
God I love the New York Post…
Today’s front page.
C.L.
11 Oct 12 at 12:21 am
Where the hell has Barnaby Joyce gone?
twostix
11 Oct 12 at 12:36 am
Presidential:
Video: a remarkable anecdote – and remarkably, warmly told – from Mitt Romney.
And the alternative:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlKIfzoC8D0
C.L.
11 Oct 12 at 12:36 am
How to engineer a debate win after the Obama humiliaton with Romney:
ABC News scrambles to downplay Obama’s attendance at VP debate moderator’s wedding.
C.L.
11 Oct 12 at 12:58 am
Hey people – I’m currently in the land of the free and I was explaining the current mess that is parliament to someone in a coffee shop. I then look up and find that CNN is running a clip of Tony and Julia tearing into each other in parliament. I have never, ever seen the inside of the Australian parliament shown outside Australia. Something very odd is going in.
brc
11 Oct 12 at 4:02 am
Hi BRC, Gillard made a titanic error which the knee-padding Stenographers are trying to spin as a triumph for her.
_________________
OMG I heard John Howard interviewed by AJ this morning.
I can’t explain the joy to hear an adult speak. He was talking about the 10th anniversary of the Bali bombing.
It is such a contrast to the juvenile antics of the screaching harpy & the children in government. Thank goodness the Howard government was able to sort out the trouble in Indo before handing it over this mob.
Token
11 Oct 12 at 6:47 am
OBAMA’S LIES UNRAVEL IN CONGRESSIONAL HEARING ON LIBYA 9/11 ATTACK
JamesK
11 Oct 12 at 6:51 am
Big Bird rails Michelle.
Clever over dubbing makes this telling in the current Romney – Obama electioneering.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvnHI1K4cIE
It’s cutting but hilarious to me
Mike of Marion
11 Oct 12 at 7:06 am
Not very exciting but Bad news on electric cars from Jo Nova.
Rafe
11 Oct 12 at 7:13 am
Thanks Rafe. Dead Soul posted that on Saturday and I noted the findings.
Whenever you guys get into one of the AGW threads of death I keep trying to raise points like this.
That study picks upon on the fact that due to the current technology there is virtually 2nd hand market for electric cars (i.e. Life of Electric cars is around 100k).
Fact is that those things are a hazard to the environment. Add to that, if we all were driving one what would be the extra base load power required?
Token
11 Oct 12 at 7:34 am
…there is virtually no 2nd hand market for electric cars…
Token
11 Oct 12 at 7:38 am
Take that, dullard!
Juliar Dullard ‘lets women down on pay’
What a vile misogynist…
Rabz
11 Oct 12 at 7:42 am
Tokes, nothing a few million more windmills wouldn’t be able to fix…
Rabz
11 Oct 12 at 7:44 am
Fauxcahontas has foot in mouth again.
She claims she set up a trust fund for the poor breast implant victims, whereas in fact she was acting on behalf of her client Dow Chemical when it was denying any liability for problems. Sprung again by Legal Insurrection.
Keith
11 Oct 12 at 7:55 am
2012 doublespeak:
Tom
11 Oct 12 at 8:14 am
They are an extremely effective way of removing birds of prey & bats from a local ecosystem.
I do wonder if they plan to set some up in the botanical gardens in Brisbane & Melbourne to deal with the fruitbats which are destroying the parks in a “humane and sustainable way”.
Token
11 Oct 12 at 8:21 am
James Taranto,WSJ: Tears of a Clown
JamesK
11 Oct 12 at 8:27 am
It’s turning into a rabbit chase which if not contained will soon turn into a mauling:
Heraldsun
AFR
AFR
And in the Age the Wilson scandal boiled up again.
It just needs a little nudge in the right direction and it’ll be a full on gallop to the end.
twostix
11 Oct 12 at 9:10 am
Whatever it takes to keep their religion alive.
2010:
Antarctic ice melting supports global warming
2012:
Global warming means more Antarctic ice
Gab
11 Oct 12 at 9:23 am
I like the way they play the “pox on both thier houses” trick:
“Both sides of politics have been guilty of bad behaviour” says the AFR.
But then only have a long, long list of ALP “bad behaviour”. They can’t actually point to anything much that the Coalition have done.
How would the list be?
Bad Liberal Behaviour:
Tony Abbot’s “Negativity”
Bad ALP Behaviour:
Drowning 1000 people
Starting a race riot
Silencing two journalists
Intimidating the media
Debasing Parliament
Corrupting a tender process
Corrupting the public service
“A pox on both their houses!”
twostix
11 Oct 12 at 9:27 am
I saw Michael Smith had posted the document from Blewitt last night, now Bolta puts the documents together to pose some important questions:
Look at what the document which Gillard witnessed actually says!
Token
11 Oct 12 at 9:36 am
Today:
2011:
Gab
11 Oct 12 at 9:52 am
Yes, as Labor goes from sewerage-grade toxic to chemical weapons-grade toxic we can expect the old “Pox on Both Their Houses” gem to be ran.
As I noted earlier, it was refreshing to hear Howard this morning. 2GB has posted the interview.
Token
11 Oct 12 at 10:00 am
Amazingly, we seem to have replaced one towering megalomaniac as Foreign Minister, with another Super Ego wanting to run everything on the world stage – except what is going on in our immediate region:
Let’s get doctors and medicine to Syria’s suffering people by: Bob Carr ( Bob Ellis’s mate )
The problem – well known – look at any news service.
The solution:
Hence the plan I ( Super Bob )put to senior UN officials last week
And a lot more about Bob hobnobbing with clueless UN officials hanging out for more of his insights.
Plus – while some of the wealthiest nations in the world are arming up the Syrian factions to the teeth, Australia is pouring in money for medicine and food – to who ? Where is the money going and how is it being distributed ?
Memo to Bob – march to the sound of the guns. Get out of New York and in to Aleppo and then get back to us on how ‘getting everyone to stop blazing away in every direction’ is working out ?
Myrrdin Seren
11 Oct 12 at 10:09 am
Obama lied as Americans died: There Never Was a Protest In Benghazi
JamesK
11 Oct 12 at 10:26 am
Rasmussen Daily Tracking
JamesK
11 Oct 12 at 10:35 am
Dot to Alice
“Yeah right Alice, a self professed Marxian lecturer of economics like you”
Alice to Dot
“better than being a self professed liar who makes up BS about other people and lives in his own febrile imagination”
Nya nya nya – Jarrah is a stupid fool, someone else is a numbnuts, I am an abortion nurse – whatever you say Dot
Alice
11 Oct 12 at 11:05 am
A hat-tip at another blog had me rolling this German new report through Google Translate.
Frederick the Great will be rolling in his grave at the results:
Myrrdin Seren
11 Oct 12 at 11:11 am
The NT Times continues to run propaganda cover for Obama on Libya, even though it is now blatantly obvious there was no demostration at the Benghazi consulate over the YouTube video. It was an all-out terrorist assault as statements to Congress by US government security agents make clear. Yet the NYT characterises the congressional hearings as a partisan squabble.
Because the liberal media refuses to report the real story, there will be another shock to the US public tomorrow morning AEST when Paul Ryan challenges Joe Biden about the cover-up by Obama on Libya. This means that, while the vice-presidential should have almost zero impact on the campaign, it will end up gifting one or two more percentage points of support to Romney-Ryan.
Tom
11 Oct 12 at 11:24 am
vice-presidential debate …
Tom
11 Oct 12 at 11:28 am
Michelle Malkin red hot with Sean Hannity on Fox just now about the Obama administration’s lies on Libya (worth watching a replay later). This is what happens when the pissant incompetence of a leftwing farce like Australia’s gets taken onto Broadway. Obama is going down big-time.
Tom
11 Oct 12 at 11:34 am
PM’s speech draws global commentary
not just jezebel. And as brc noted it was on CNN overnight.
SteveC
11 Oct 12 at 11:36 am
Ms Gillard on Monday said Tony Abbott hates his wife and daughters.
I find that hard to believe.
candy
11 Oct 12 at 11:42 am
Is Abbott dishonest, innumerate, illiterate or just gullible?
http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/15085713/abbott-caught-out-on-use-of-pensioners-power-bill/
SteveC
11 Oct 12 at 11:42 am
Yes candy, it’s quite obviously not true. What did Gillard actually say?
SteveC
11 Oct 12 at 11:45 am
Alice
I am not on the dole and I never have been. I pay my own way.
You seem to be a little embarrassed that you glorify Marx but are unaware of his anti semitic tendencies or that his central criticism of capitalism was destroyed by mathematical economics in the 1960s.
I’d like to know exactly why you were going to sue me before Alice, on what grounds. I’m just happy we get along now.
Alice, maybe you can explain why you think the public sector is just as efficient as the private sector. From the following article from the Australian Financial Review
http://www.afr.com/p/opinion/yes_minister_you_can_crank_up_the_iV0wm4YwZFQyKPq0J8uOeK
OPINION
Yes, minister, you can crank up the public service
PUBLISHED: 15 JUN 2012 00:03:19 | UPDATED: 15 JUN 2012 03:41:09
GARY STURGESS
It is simply mathematically impossible that the public sector is equally or more efficient than the private sector.
The private sector is more efficient than public sector. It would be a great disservice to yourself to continue to deny this fact.
.
11 Oct 12 at 11:47 am
OK Myrrdin Seren at 10.09, what’s your plan when you become Minister for Foreign Affairs?
SteveC
11 Oct 12 at 11:48 am
Dot, who’s paying the tuition fees for your PhD?
SteveC
11 Oct 12 at 11:51 am
You’re a very busy boy today for a government spin doctor, Dogshit’s Best Friend. Are you sure you can handle the extra workload of keeping the Cat under control?
Tom
11 Oct 12 at 11:53 am
Strange SteveC how you don’t care that Treasury under Swan has been out by up to $20B every year snce 08/09.
…but you hold onto the little hope you have that Labor will win the next election and Swan can continue to rack up similar levels of debt.
Token
11 Oct 12 at 11:53 am
“Yes candy, it’s quite obviously not true. What did Gillard actually say?”
SteveC, She told the Parliament he was a misogynist, which means he hates women (accordinging to the Oxford dictionary),
therefore he hates his wife and daughters.
I find that hard to believe.
candy
11 Oct 12 at 11:54 am
Steve are you seriously trying to make an argument in favour of paternalism because the Government has crowded out student loans? Paternalism justifies paternalism – even when the critics object to inefficiency etc?
You cannot honestly make the argument that a HECS debt is welfare since you have supported the positive externality argument in favour of publicly funded education.
BTW I do have a HECS debt but I have paid that off in part and I paid for part of my honours and Ph D upfront. The only person paying off the remainder of the HECS debt is me.
.
11 Oct 12 at 12:09 pm
Steve C
Since you are so interested in public economics, do you object to what Gary Sturgess said like Alice does? Do you think the private sector is no more efficient than the public sector. See Sturgess’ AFR article from 15 June this year.
.
11 Oct 12 at 12:11 pm
I don’t know about MS, but I know if I was in the job I’d forget games as the world (& especially Syria and its patron Russia) could not cear less what Australia thinks about the Middle East.
Rather, I’d focusing on repairing the relationship with Indonesia, giving proper attention to Japan and India & SE Asia, and managing the China relationship.
Finally work with the Pacific micro nations.
That is enough for 3 years of work as there is so much damage to repair after the endless blunders during the Rudd/Smith/Carr years..
Token
11 Oct 12 at 12:17 pm
It is clear Candy understands so much more than you do SteveC.
Token
11 Oct 12 at 12:18 pm
“This represents an estimated increase of 9.13 per cent for an average daily usage of 15.89 units”.”
It’s troubling not just with these increases in electricity but with the unemployment rising and people finding it difficult to get full time hours, or as many hours as they need. And the price of groceries always rising!
I wonder whether we’re heading for a recession, there’a a bad feel about things
candy
11 Oct 12 at 12:19 pm
Candy just out witted Steve C. Effortlessly humiliated him. Good effort.
harrys on the boat
11 Oct 12 at 12:24 pm
so no RTS funding for you dot? No wonder you live frugally when you’re paying about $17,000 pa for a PhD
SteveC
11 Oct 12 at 12:35 pm
Steve C
You are being dishonest about what I just said. If RTS funding is “welfare” then so are public servant salaries. RTS students sign a contract to do research and they may be subject to a collateral contract to do extra research or teaching.
Apprenticeships get Federal subsidies too and TAFE is more heavily subsidised than universities on the basis of user pays. Do you actually believe trades apprentices are on welfare simply because the Government crowds people out of service provision?
Why am I to believe you are schoolteacher (you’ve said as much before) when you spend an equal amount of time here as I do and you lecture me about infer/imply but you cannot tell few/several apart? You can’t give the kiddies quiet reading time all the time, day in, day out.
Your beliefs are nonsense.
Now please justify your implicit belief that the public sector is more efficient than the private sector.
http://www.afr.com/p/opinion/yes_minister_you_can_crank_up_the_iV0wm4YwZFQyKPq0J8uOeK
OPINION
Yes, minister, you can crank up the public service
PUBLISHED: 15 JUN 2012 00:03:19 | UPDATED: 15 JUN 2012 03:41:09
GARY STURGESS
It is simply mathematically impossible that the public sector is equally or more efficient than the private sector.
The private sector is more efficient than public sector. It would be a great disservice to yourself to continue to deny this fact.
That is why of course I ignore your silly arguments about tax paying libertarians using publicly owned assets they are part owners thereof.
.
11 Oct 12 at 1:36 pm
Thomas Sowell on Ann Coulter’s new book Mugged:
I’m sure Lefties like SteveC will not read the Sowell article or do deeper reading into the true histroy of race relations in America because the ABC in Aus has spent years projecting Ann Coulter as an extremist demon.
Maybe he’ll surprise me.
Token
11 Oct 12 at 1:51 pm
Wow.
PBS: Obama Used to Tell Classmates He Was Kenyan Royalty.
C.L.
11 Oct 12 at 2:24 pm
And so the inevitable happens, Abbott knew he just had to bide his time and be patient. After weeks of the ALP, the party of unions full to the brim with 1950′s throwback men and their whoring, stripper enjoying ways sickeningly calling Abbott sexist Nemesis finally made it over to Australia.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/did_swan_laugh_or_complain_and_is_this_labors_woman_hating_culture/
The Misogynist attack is DEAD. Therefore Labor are finished.
Pack up and go home McTernan and tell UK Labor about just how fucking useless Australian Labor is.
twostix
11 Oct 12 at 2:26 pm
Transcript please… if it’s good enough to expose Alan Jones it’s good enough for the union boys.
papachango
11 Oct 12 at 2:30 pm
Fair Go for Union Millionares who rip of hospital cleaners?
These guys are just jealous they are like Jed Clampett instead of being J R Ewing.
.
11 Oct 12 at 2:37 pm
Swan gave a speech after the comments were made without apology or reservation. This sinks the left’s arguement that Abbott was guilty of agreeing with the protest signs at the carbon tax rally simply because he was standing near offending signs. Swan should have cancelled his speech in protest.
Labor’s “high moral ground” is about as high as the Mariana trench.
Spatacrobat
11 Oct 12 at 2:42 pm
Oh god.
Look at how the SMH are covering it:
Abbott joke??
Ministers Offended? Did swan damn the joke when he got up to speak afterwards?
The lies!
twostix
11 Oct 12 at 2:47 pm
#WhatWasTheJoke
dd
11 Oct 12 at 2:48 pm
White people pretending to be Aboriginal…
I thought Judge Mordy had concluded this was OK.
C.L.
11 Oct 12 at 2:48 pm
And this is a bit of a problem for them.
One source says:According to another source a “silence” descended over the room when the joke was made.
Another says: a comedian made a reference to Opposition Leader Tony Abbott and his chief of staff, Peta Credlin, that drew a laugh from the crowd
So many lies.
Will there be any stenographers wanting to get to the bottom of this and blow the lid of Labor’s hypocrisy and scripted, directed theatre for the last few weeks?
I think not.
twostix
11 Oct 12 at 2:50 pm
Death of newspapers update: Fairfax rushes into print/online with the latest Labor talking point from a Labor public service hack delivered by climate zombie David Wroe. Taxes are good for you doncha know:
Of course the air tax has nothing to do with the higher unemployment rate, which is also a good thing:
It’s a miracle these clowns are still being paid; ASIC should be investigating this defrauding of shareholders.
Tom
11 Oct 12 at 2:50 pm
The mornons in the government bubble will continue to lie their heads off, but it won’t work.
Read Candy’s comment at 12:19pm. That is what people are seeing around them – is happening to their children. People are seeing prices rise.
If the $AUD slides in the coming months and petrol prices rise as a result the screams from the puplic won’t be able to be drowned out.
Token
11 Oct 12 at 3:12 pm
Poor little buggers, illiterate and playing and standing trial for tearing up the koran.
Helen Armstrong
11 Oct 12 at 3:13 pm
‘The Biggest Breakthrough in Depression Research’ in 50 Years Is … Ketamine?
Fleeced
11 Oct 12 at 3:14 pm
Forget reporters – we need a couple of plants within the union movement armed with audio recorders. Imagine the material you’d get.
Though it would be a dangerous job if you got caught.
papachango
11 Oct 12 at 3:22 pm
Indeed. Now that we know the hidden recording device laws aren’t applied we should start sneaking video cameras into every ALP function.
twostix
11 Oct 12 at 3:29 pm
that it’s caused by a “chemical imbalance” in the brain, or by low levels of serotonin — may not be what’s really causing the disorder after all.
That was always wrong Fleeced but people wouldn’t let it go. As far back as 2003 there was a wonderful review article: Cytokines and Depression: the need for a new paradigm(close to that, archives not loaded-cytokines are immunological messengers). Psychiatry focused far too much on serotonin and nore(amines). Ketamine is an “NMDA antagonist” – put quickly – it inhibits uptake of the primary excitatory neurotrans glutamate through a large receptor family. The timeframe matches that for ECT and BDNF(growth factor) approaches. Oddly enough, one would think that blocking NMDA transmission should decrease connectivity. The result is intriguing, I don’t have a clue but I suspect it may relate to ADNF(another growth factor).
It has long been known that depression decreases connectivity but ironically also increases activity in an area much affected by depression – the hippocampus, whilst decreasing function in the frontal lobes. Restoration is marked by decreased hippocampal activity and increased frontal lobe function. Or so it seems. Very important to remember that there no consistent explanation or neurophysiology to explain depression or schizophrenia or the whole bloody lot.
A psychiatrist in France advised me ketamine is too dangerous, too easy to induce psychosis. That they are going down this road shows how desperate drug based remedies are becoming.
BTW: me too completely flummoxed by that South Park episode on Honey Boo Boo!
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 3:31 pm
I suspected it might be… media articles like this are usually 10 years behind, but I found it interesting.
I stopped the ep half way through to look it up on youtube, so I could see what they were talking about (aint technology grand?), and couldn’t believe it.
I say again: WTF, America?!
Fleeced
11 Oct 12 at 3:41 pm
Incredible. Is this the usual procedure for lawyers? Do they lie about witnessing signatures? Is this unlawful?
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/did_gillard_really_not_know_her_boyfriend_was_the_purchaser_and_what_about_/
Gab
11 Oct 12 at 3:44 pm
This is a big deal. A solicitor engaging in fraudulent dealings worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, between two States.
To be honest, I think Gillard probably liked the heat being on Slipper for a while.
.
11 Oct 12 at 3:51 pm
It’s probably misogynistic of me to say that I would find great pleasure in seeing Gillard hauled out of Parliament in handcuffs.
Eddystone
11 Oct 12 at 4:02 pm
Yes, Eddystone. You’re a misogynist if you:
criticize that badass motherf**ker Gillard for anything she says or does
refer to her as “that woman” [no, Gillard referring to Abbott as "that man" is different]
turn your back on her [no, Gillard turning her back on Abbott is different]
refer to her as “she” [no, Gillard referring to Abbott as "he" is different]
look at your watch.
These are the latest deemed offenses and more will be added to the list as soon as McTernana et al imagine them into existence.
Gab
11 Oct 12 at 4:10 pm
We can joke about it Gab, no problems there, but I have very real concerns about this latest move to control tongues.
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 4:12 pm
While you might hope for such a sight, Williamson was allowed to present himself at a police station for arrest by appointment. Gillard would receive the same courtesy if it came to that.
My preferred fantasy would be to see Gillard return to Parliament after the next election, along with the remains of the labor “team” that, while not able to fit into a Tarago, would be happily accommodated on a Coaster.
Keith
11 Oct 12 at 4:13 pm
I’m not joking.
Gab
11 Oct 12 at 4:13 pm
If she gets locked up I hope she gets laundry duty
Tal
11 Oct 12 at 4:14 pm
No one is going to jail, Tal.
steve from brisbane
11 Oct 12 at 4:18 pm
Steve, enlighten us. Frame your defence for the lying, corrupt slapper.
Fuck off QC.
Huckleberry Chunkwot
11 Oct 12 at 4:23 pm
So Tom Crusie was right re “chemical imbalance”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwAaHbmF5S4
C.L.
11 Oct 12 at 4:24 pm
Proof of Heaven?
When a neurosurgeon found himself in a coma, he experienced things he never thought possible—a journey to the afterlife.
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 4:25 pm
SofB knows all the Judiciary put in place by Labor in the last 5 years – knows the Judiciary will not lock up their benefactor.
Mike of Marion
11 Oct 12 at 4:26 pm
“Gillard’s leaving Canberra in the back of a divvy van!”
Infidel Tiger
11 Oct 12 at 4:27 pm
Coma. Reminds me of near-death experiences being explained away as a function of various chemicasl being released in the brain at the time.
Gab
11 Oct 12 at 4:30 pm
Coma. Reminds me of near-death experiences being explained away as a function of various chemicasl being released in the brain at the time.
Yeah Gab one could explain by reference to the way sugar is metabolised in the brain, that brains have their reserve oxygen supply. I don’t believe any of those explanations.
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 4:32 pm
I can understand the reasoning behind those explanations, Dear Soul [can’t bring myself to refer to you by your current name, sorry). It’s scientific, it’s neat and for all we know that is exactly what happens to the physical body at the time. Very interesting and for me doesn’t in any way negate the experience as described by others in their unconscious state. There is life after what we call death, is my belief. (I just don’t know what the point of here is anymore but that’s another story).
Gab
11 Oct 12 at 4:38 pm
Gab,
Is this rhetorical ?
I know of a contested Will, where two legal secretaries were called in to witness the signature, and as the guy was signing, one secretary was distracted and briefly exited the office, and subsequently admitted under legal challenge, that she did not see the signature being made on the paper. The Will was successfully contested due to this technicality. So yes, if someone sends a document from the other side of Australia for your signature and it requires a witness, then the witness has to be on hand and watching.
Keith
11 Oct 12 at 4:48 pm
Thanks, Keith. Perhaps I should have framed it as: Is this unlawful for Gillard to do?
Gab
11 Oct 12 at 4:51 pm
I’m skeptical, but some of the comments on that site are quite hateful and illogical. Some even try to play the race card:
Fleeced
11 Oct 12 at 4:57 pm
CL,
Cruise is right like a broken clock and dumber than a sundial.
GAB,
I have no convictions either way. There is a logical error in arguing that all behavior is mediated by the body. It is this: we don’t have a strong model of behavior ipso facto we cannot know.
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 4:57 pm
Only a misogynist would think so, Gab.
Fleeced
11 Oct 12 at 4:58 pm
From the article, the doctor queried this new state of being:
Damn it. I was hoping those questions would be left behind in this world. (No, I’m not joking).
I don’t blame you.
Gab
11 Oct 12 at 5:01 pm
GAB,.
I read this text a month ago. Very interesting. Written by a neuroscientist. Brave neuroscientist!
Brain Wars
The Scientific Battle Over the Existence of the Mind and the Proof That Will Change the Way We Live Our Lives
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 5:02 pm
Thank you, Dear Soul. I’ll have a look at it, hoping it has been dumbed down so I can understand.
Gab
11 Oct 12 at 5:05 pm
It is not technical GAB, even I could understand it.
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 5:06 pm
Dr Alexander’s description of what he sees/hears reminds me of the synesthesia condition.
Gab
11 Oct 12 at 5:09 pm
Dr Alexander:
reminds me of:
The Way of the Explorer, An Apollo Astronaut’s Journey Through the Material and Mystical Worlds (Dr. Edgar Mitchell, with Dwight Williams)
Gab
11 Oct 12 at 5:15 pm
Sounds like death.
Tom
11 Oct 12 at 5:23 pm
Hmmm…
The sceptics are trying to explain it away by ignoring the MRI (his brain was basically turned off) and saying he was on DMT that is body produced.
Come on guys you can be a sceptic but you’ve got to actually take into account the evidence at hand.
One of the commenter thinks you can dream when your brain is turned off.
That’s all very well to say that, but how the hell does that happen?
.
11 Oct 12 at 5:27 pm
We are definatly in the grip of GLOBAL WARMING!!! ooga booga
The weather bureau in Adelaide said the last reports of snowfall in the Adelaide and neighbouring Mount Lofty Ranges region in October were a century ago.
jumpnmcar
11 Oct 12 at 5:28 pm
I was overwhelmed with the sensation of physically and mentally extending out into the cosmos
Schiller argued that the body does not produce consciousness but rather constrains it. Meditation and mystical experiences often report like the above quote. So it aint death.
DOT
There is an underlying assumption in the neurosurgeon’s argument: that consciousness arises in the neocortex. That’s problematic to say the least, many aim lower, even down to the brainstem reticular activating system. However it is a huge reach to presuppose that the RAC can produce the experiences he reported.
The other big problem is the assumption that MRI measures all brain activity. It doesn’t, it probably only measures more heightened brain activity. So it is wrong to presume on the basis of an MRI that he was brain dead. As some tragic examples of locked in patients who were purportedly brain dead but very much conscious reveals, we need to be very careful about interpreting MRI.
Yes I am arguing both ways. I don’t like but I am condemned to it because given a lack of evidence I have to explore.
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 5:36 pm
But why are near death experiences remarkably the same?
If you assume it’s bias then why not assume they are made up?
.
11 Oct 12 at 5:39 pm
But why are near death experiences remarkably the same?
I know, and so are mystical experiences across the globe and these experiences do mirror near death experiences. Buddhist thinking mirrors these ideas also and that might help explain why Bohr chose the Yin and Yang symbol for his coat of arms, why neuroscientists and physicists have a soft spot for Buddhism, why Freeman Dyson and Einstein clearly entertained a god concept, as did Jung, why the anthropic principle still holds sway in some quarters.
It is one reason why I get really pissed off with people like Dawkins, claiming some scientific mantle when the lying fucker should know better. I’ve had premonitions, predictive dreams, only a few, but I’ve known many people who have had experiences that defy our understanding. And then shit for brains Dawkins might argue it is just a co-incidence. Labelng something as a co-incidence explains nothing!!!
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 5:45 pm
This is terrifying. We need immediate national legislation banning climate variability.
Tom
11 Oct 12 at 5:50 pm
Same could be said about alien abductions. These have changed over the years, but often seem to reflect whatever is current in popular culture.
I can no longer think of Dawkins with remembering that South Park cartoon.
Dawkins: Oh, Mrs Garrison!
Garrison: Yeah, pound my monkey hole. Pound my monkey hole.
Fleeced
11 Oct 12 at 5:54 pm
…without remembering…
Fleeced
11 Oct 12 at 5:55 pm
I’m actually looking forward to my death journey. I don’t want to get there any sooner than I need to but the experience is going to be rather interesting in my opinion.
So far as the material and immaterial aspects of mind are concerned, surely, there have to be some aspects of it that require a physical body (sense experience) while there are other aspects that do not (ratio and intellect). What the later will be like without the former is an interesting thought.
Oh, and to add another book to that list of yours, Gab, try Nagel’s new Mind and Cosmos, an overview of which can be found here.
dover_beach
11 Oct 12 at 5:55 pm
Hat tip to WOBH here.
jumpnmcar
11 Oct 12 at 5:56 pm
Oh my. Thanks for book ref, Dover.
I’m actually looking forward to my death journey.
I am too – until I recall what Kerry Packer said of his near-death experience:
or some such.
Scary.
Gab
11 Oct 12 at 5:59 pm
LOL
If you haven’t seen ” bad lip reading ” of the Presidential debate.
HERE IT IS.
Altogether too much time on their hands, very funny but.
jumpnmcar
11 Oct 12 at 6:07 pm
i’ve had premonitions about stock prices and currency rates. Perhaps the good lord is looking after me, DS.
Several times I’ve correctly dreamt an important stat.
JC
11 Oct 12 at 6:09 pm
Any other Cats watch Question Time this afternoon?
What happened with Julie Bishop’s motion to require a 15 minute statement from Roxon on when she knew about Slipper’s texts and whether anyone else in tghe government was told about them.
Did Albanese succeed with his second gag attempt or did Gillard use the death of the trainee soldier to finally gag the motion?
Septimus
11 Oct 12 at 6:10 pm
Yes to all that. Good points.
JC
11 Oct 12 at 6:12 pm
Prime Minister one day, person of interest the next.
Steve of Ferny Hills
11 Oct 12 at 6:14 pm
Thanks Jump – another BLR triumph…
Rabz
11 Oct 12 at 6:18 pm
Same could be said about alien abductions.
There’s a big difference. As stated in some animation, perhaps South Park about seeing the Yeti: why don’t they install cameras with internet link up: because the people who report these things are too poor to afford that … .
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 6:21 pm
King of the Jungle perhaps?
Nic
11 Oct 12 at 6:22 pm
Gab,
I’ve just looked at a few Powers of Attorney I got done for my parents and aunt. I recall that the solicitor brought along a couple of young ladies from his office to act as witnesses. One signed as “Law Clerk”, and the other “Legal Executive” (ie. no solicitors). The solicitor did not act as a witness, I assume to ensure arms length relationship to the matter. So, if not unlawful, probably at least considered bad practice to act as witness to a matter where the you’ve acted as solicitor to draft the documents. This was in Victoria.
Keith
11 Oct 12 at 6:28 pm
DB,
We discussed materialism years ago and both of us dismissed it. If you look at the relevant research on both physical and mental health there is abundance evidence that meaning is a powerful healer. This is one reason why I cannot understand how atheists can justify caring about the future. If you’re dead and that’s it, if life is just about breeding and survival, we shouldn’t give a rat’s arse about what happens after we’re dead. Yet nearly everyone does.
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 6:32 pm
From Andrew Bolt and the reopening of the fraud boyfriend scandal:
This must be asked of Gillard in Parliament tomorrow.
Can’t happen, she’ll be in Bali. Also unfortunately Parliament will recess today.
Please, please could the MFM do their job this time. Pretty please with sugar on top.
DaveF
11 Oct 12 at 6:39 pm
Athiesm is the ultimate conceit. The athiest is so arrogant s/he thinks s/he knows how the universe works. The only thing I’ve figured out is that the physical universe is infinite (because mass exists), which makes the universe beyond my human comprehension.
Tom
11 Oct 12 at 6:45 pm
We discussed materialism years ago and both of us dismissed it.
Yes, and as you say in another comment, what really interests me is that other people are becoming less confident of materialist explanations of mind, etc. as well, and Nagel’s work marks an interesting turn because he is an atheist who has become convinced the materialism cannot provide an answer. The next forty years are going to be damned interesting, DS.
dover_beach
11 Oct 12 at 6:55 pm
Think of the reverse of this Adelaide snow event – say, a 32-degree day in July – and just try to imagine the triumphant ululating coming from SteveFB that we would have to put up with.
Of course, now that they have renamed the theory “climate change,” I should not speak too soon – that term was designed for triumphant ululation either way.
James in Melbourne
11 Oct 12 at 7:05 pm
JC
Don’t know if this is your area but when I read it I thought of you.
Some promising little prospects maybe.
http://www.energynewspremium.net/storyview.asp?storyid=9639125§ionsource=s0
jumpnmcar
11 Oct 12 at 7:06 pm
I haven’t read the neurosurgeon’s account but he knows that whether a patient is conscious/unconscious without a massive cerebral cortical reason ( eg acute severe anoxic injury or contrecoup trauma) is d/t RAS.
I’m guessing but I suspect he assumed that without advanced cortical function neurophysiologically he shouldn’t have had inner experiences or putting it another way there is no means to explain inner experience with self-awareness under those circumstances
JamesK
11 Oct 12 at 7:28 pm
The only thing I’ve figured out is that the physical universe is infinite (because mass exists), which makes the universe beyond my human comprehension.
Tom, ….
Quantum Questions: Mystical Writings of The World’s Great Physicists
“Let me briefly mention the notorious atheism of science which comes, of course, under the same heading. Science has to suffer this reproach again and again, but unjustly so. No person god can form part of a world-model that has only become accessible at the cost of removing everything personal from it. We know, when God is experienced, this is an event as real as an immediate sense perception or as one’s own personality. Like them, he must be missing in the space-time picture. I do not find God anywhere in space and time – that is what the honest naturalist will tell you. For this, he incurs blame from him in whose catechism is written: God is Spirit.
Erwin Schrodinger, The Oneness of Mind.
The twentieth century critics who make these comments are still in the state of mind of the nineteenth-century scientists; they take it for granted that the universe must admit of material representation. If we grant their premises, we must, I think, also grant their conclusion – that we are talking nonsense – for their logic is irrefutable. But modern science cannot possibly grant their conclusion, it insists on the finiteness of space at all costs. This, of course, means that we must deny the premises which our critics unknowingly assume. The universe cannot admit of a material representation, and the reason, I think, it that is has become a mere mental concept.”
Sir James Jean, In the Mind of Some Eternal Spirit,
“All I would claim is that those who in the search for truth start from consciousness as a seat of self-knowledge with and interests and responsibilities not confined to the material plane are just as much facing the hard facts of experience as those who start from consciousness as a device for reading indications of spectroscopes and micrometers.”
“In comparing the certainty of things spiritual and things temporal, let us not forget this: mind is the first and most direct thing in our experience; all else is remote from it.”
Eddington, Beyond the Veil of Physics.
“WE have seen that the cyclic scheme of physics presupposes a background outside the scope of its investigations. In this background we must find, first, our own personality, and then perhaps a greater personality. The idea of a universal Mind or Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present state of scientific theory; at least it is in harmony with it. But if so, all that our inquiry justifies us in asserting is a purely colourless pantheism.
Title [The Creative Cosmos: A unified science of matter, life and mind
Author [Ervin Laszlo
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Eddington …
“To put the matter crudely,” said Eddington, “the stuff of the world is mind-stuff.” Jeans agreed: ‘… the cumulative evidence of various pieces of probably reasoning makes it seem more and more likely that reality is better described as mental than as material … the universe seems to be nearer to a great thought than a great machine.’”
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 7:38 pm
I, for one, have immense respect for Kelly O’Dwyer MP in her guts and honesty in the face of the 1 on 4 battle on ” The Nation on Sky ” tonight.
)
( If Gab does her magic, everyone here will see, tomorrow perhaps
jumpnmcar
11 Oct 12 at 7:48 pm
Dot – who is paying your fees and living expenses for your phd if you are not a welfare bludger?
Have you ever considered becoming more efficient yourself?
Alice
11 Oct 12 at 8:07 pm
Dot – who is paying your fees and living expenses for your phd if you are not a welfare bludger?
Have you ever considered becoming more efficient yourself?
Have you ever considered …
Eleanor Roosevelt
Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 8:11 pm
This is nonsense, Tom, and quite a slur. Certainly, Dawkins’ brand of atheism is so, but he’s a far cry from most atheists.
There are many who (arrogantly, imo) demand that atheists should call themselves “agnostic” since they have no proof of God’s non-existence.
“Agnostic” is certainly a valid term for some, but frankly, I think the term is overused. For whilst non-believers can’t “know” there is no God (it seems to be one of those untestable things), they certainly believe a certain way (namely, they believe that there is no God). People who merely don’t believe in God are, by definition, atheists. Most of them are NOT militant anti-religionists (and anti-Christian, in particular) like Dawkins.
Fleeced
11 Oct 12 at 8:11 pm
Dot says to Steve C
“Why am I to believe you are schoolteacher (you’ve said as much before) when you spend an equal amount of time here as I do and you lecture me about infer/imply but you cannot tell few/several apart? You can’t give the kiddies quiet reading time all the time, day in, day out.”
Dot seems to have a problem believing anyone and makes up his own scenarios about their life – interesting in a Freudian sort of way.
Hey Dotty? Maybe Steve C is an abortion nurse?
Alice
11 Oct 12 at 8:11 pm
Sounds good, Jump. I’ll try to remember and see what I can find. Mind you, if anyone else can locate the video of it they shouldn’t be shy to post it here.
Gab
11 Oct 12 at 8:22 pm
Gab
It was like Custer walking away at Little Big Horn with her head held high.
View it just for yourself, your heart will swell.
jumpnmcar
11 Oct 12 at 8:32 pm
Sounds like it needs to be viewed by many, Jump! Your last recommendation was excellent.
Gab
11 Oct 12 at 8:35 pm
It’s a bit of an indictment on the church that the existence of God is called into question.
The presence of God is supposed to be manifestly evident.
Whether any individual chooses to ‘believe’ remains up to them, but if the church has their stuff together, the question of existence should be laughable.
Driftforge
11 Oct 12 at 8:42 pm
Alice I answered that before. You can find that but not the answer? Keep trying Kimosabe.
Would you like to explain how capital controls would make Australians better off or how, despite the data contradicting the assertion, that the public sector is more efficient than the private sector?
Your inability to defend these ideas suggests a knowledge of economics not going any further than a run of the mill 1st year macroeconomics text.
.
11 Oct 12 at 8:45 pm
Alice,
What exactly did Michael Costa do wrong? This is sounding as woolly as you suing me.
Can you explain what that was about as well?
.
11 Oct 12 at 8:53 pm
I doubt the latter exists in the form so commonly thought of by ‘material universe’ types.
And as death is quite popular (100% of people get involved) and soon enough we will all get to find out, why fret about it?
I am consistently bemused by the hubris of people. A couple of centuries back, some very smart types squinted at the sun, worked out how much heat it was putting out, worked out that a similar mass of burning coal (the best energy source they had experience of) would stop producing heat after a small number of years, and concluded that ‘something is going on out there that we do not understand’.
We’ve apparently just worked out that the ‘material universe’ we see is not the real one (for certain values of real): something like 95% of the mass in the universe we cannot see, sense or interact with. Something is going on out there that we do not understand.
This is no surprise. How many people even understand that we exist in the third, fourth and fifth dimensions and that our perceived world is merely a three dimensional slice through a four dimensional object? Or that what we decide moment to moment has direct consequences in the fifth dimension?
Mk50 of Brisbane
11 Oct 12 at 8:57 pm
More lunacy from Alice
Alice
April 20th, 2011 at 19:45 | #5 Reply | Quote
@may
WTF? Koch brothers are as bad as Mubarak?
.
11 Oct 12 at 9:15 pm
Dot, they support gay marriage and funded research into a cure for cancer.
Fuck. That. Shit!
Fleeced
11 Oct 12 at 9:21 pm
What did the eeevil Mubarak sons do?
JamesK
11 Oct 12 at 9:23 pm
A little more nuttiness
Alice
April 6th, 2011 at 21:21 | #10 Reply | Quote
@paul walter
So Alice. Did you learn about this theory when you worked in the NSW Treasury?
.
11 Oct 12 at 9:29 pm
This is no surprise. How many people even understand that we exist in the third, fourth and fifth dimensions and that our perceived world is merely a three dimensional slice through a four dimensional object? Or that what we decide moment to moment has direct consequences in the fifth dimension?
Perhaps Mark but last I heard SUSY was being contradicted by the latest LHC data. Not sure if that is what you are referring too though.
We’ve apparently just worked out that the ‘material universe’ we see is not the real one (for certain values of real)
The quotes I provided earlier where nearly a century ago now. Materialism dies hard precisely because it is intuitively obvious. It is wrong.
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 9:35 pm
dot, if you are using RTS and HECS to pay for your education, then you cannot claim to “always pay your own way”. I do not assert that RTS or HECS are welfare, but they are significant government subsidies.
Don’t get me wrong, I think governmemt subsidised education is entirely a good idea, as I discussed on the other thread.
HECS is a good co-contribution scheme, and RTS is an excellent system for paying for research based PhD’s. As far as I am concerned, the more taxpayer funds spent on education (including yours) the better.
It’s just a bit annoying when people complain about government subsidies on one hand and collect a government subsidy in the other.
BTW I am not a school teacher, I am a self employed professional industry based trainer in the private sector.
SteveC
11 Oct 12 at 9:35 pm
And so much for the C limit
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 9:36 pm
You are a leech sucking the blood out of people who could otherwise get a job without doing your mickey mouse courses.
What right do you think you have earning an income as a gatekeeper to employment? Cert IV in TAE? Fuck me. Cert II in road sign spinning?
When I worked in a university, my job would exist if the university was privatised.
Your job wouldn’t exist if we got rid of occupational licensing.
Fuck oath it is you thieving bludger.
So what you’re saying is, you like to claim the externality argument and call it a subsidy at the same time.
Fuck off.
.
11 Oct 12 at 9:44 pm
More to the point: you want education to be subsidised, chide the students (people who are barred from employment without taking some mickey mouse course run by you) as “dependents”, then take the cash the Government has provided for them and call yourself a self made man.
Wanker.
.
11 Oct 12 at 9:50 pm
Dot I answered your question about my qualifications in your “survey”, you are welcome to find my answers, as you were so interested at the time.
I train people in the workplace who already have a job, the training is paid for by their employer.
I am in receipt of no government subsidy.
You on the other hand ARE in receipt of a government subsidy. I in fact applaud that, and totally support the idea of government subsidised education.
Your attempts to guess information without any basis are astounding. You are a conceited fool.
SteveC
11 Oct 12 at 9:52 pm
Of course Steve. You’re telling the truth, aren’t you, describing yourself before as an “educator” and not a “trainer”.
Yeah sure. IT trainers call themselves “educators”.
HECS is only a subsidy you idiot because the universities have such poor financial management and costs blow out.
.
11 Oct 12 at 9:56 pm
I hope you actually are an IT trainer.
God forbid you are some bogus “OH&S” trainer.
Now Steve – who paid for your education costs?
.
11 Oct 12 at 9:59 pm
DS, great quotations. That generation or two of physicists were absolutely remarkable, partly, because specialization had yet to rob them of significant knowledge in other fields.
dover_beach
11 Oct 12 at 10:00 pm
Well said.
JamesK
11 Oct 12 at 10:04 pm
Thanks DB,
This is more recent:
“At the end of the day, all the approaches I have discussed are like to prove unsatisfactory. In fact, reviewing them they all seem to me to be either ridiculous or hopelessly inadequate: a unique universe which just happens to permit life by a fluke; a stupendous number of alternative parallel universes which exist for no reason; a pre-existing God who is somehow self-explanatory; or a self-creating, self-explaining, self-understanding universe – with observers, entailing backward causation and telelogy. Perhaps we have reached a fundamental impasse dictated by the limitations of the human intellect.”
Paul Davies, The Goldilocks Enigma.
I didn’t record any notes on this text(which usually means I knew it or it wasn’t very good) but it highlights that while most people, including most scientists, still think of a materialist basis, the science points elsewhere:
Title [The Matter Myth
Author [Paul Davies, John Gribbin
Publisher [
Place Pub [
Date [1991
Source [library
Issue [
Page [
Notes [materialism, chaos, physics, cosmology, quantum mechanics, black holes
Dead Soul
11 Oct 12 at 10:08 pm
WTF is that? A ladyboy on the make?
Tiny Dancer
11 Oct 12 at 10:17 pm
Dot the governmemt paid for my tertiary education costs. I was fortunate enough to attend university when it was totally free, thanks to Gough. I also collected a tertiary student allowance, quite legally, while living at home.
I may have used the term educator previously, you would need to show me the quote. I do tend to use the terms trainer and educator interchangably which I agree is not very clear. I think trainer is a more appropriate term as I typically provide work-based learning for existing employees which is probably best described as training.
So you accept that your tertiary education is governmemt subsidised? Would you prefer it wasn’t?
SteveC
11 Oct 12 at 10:18 pm
Actually it’s quite expensive, but it is heartening to know you put it to good use.
wreckage
11 Oct 12 at 10:25 pm
SteveC It wasn’t free, you asshat. unless you think the running costs of the university was free and no one was paying for them.
You also should not have been receiving that allowance and you cheated like a bunch of people I know. Shame on you.
What sort of incoherent drivel is that? WTF are you on about, you dolt?
JC
11 Oct 12 at 10:28 pm
Snap tiny.
JC
11 Oct 12 at 10:29 pm
Oh but of course they are. They do illegal shit like… manufacture stuff and sell it to satisfy consumer wants. They also support libertarian causes.
They’re worse than Hitler and pol pot combined.
JC
11 Oct 12 at 10:35 pm
First of all Steve C I would like to apologise to you.
I was a jerk. I have a particular hatred of occupational licensing and I let that get the better of me and I was presumptuous to boot.
I think your position on HECS is a bit rich considering what you got. I can accept your position if you however accede that people eventually pay it back and then some if they reach a high enough income level. If you claim people are always indebted to you somehow then what obligation do they have to pay it back at all?
Yes there should be student loans and uni should be privatised. Just compare the U Syd LEC Dip law vs the LLB they offer. The LLB is nearly double the cost. $675 per subject vs $1180 per subject.
Sure it is still through U Syd and the LPAB. It’s what they can do when they cut the costs however.
Student loans exist where they are not crowded out.
Everyone is worse off because of socialised tertiary education.
The courses are not what industry wants and graduates necessarily need. There are departments that shouldn’t exist. Some lecturers are incapable of losing their jobs.
The right to operate a university is under State ministerial order (amongst the right to grant certain degrees from them on the advice of professional bodies that maintain quasi monopoly control under law). Most people seeking to be a professional are forced to use a very inefficient monopoly provider and not only is the private sector crowded out, they would have little incentive with loans being double to triple what they would be in a more efficient environment for the service providers.
I find it difficult to call HECS a subsidy where service provision costs blow out perhaps at the detriment of the end user and the Government has created a generous loan system no private operator can possibly compete with.
It really just subsidises academics who don’t do enough teaching or (useful) research, along with slackers in support departments with cushy jobs.
.
11 Oct 12 at 10:58 pm
I’m beginning to think Alice is telling the truth about her career as well.
I find it mind blowing and scary that someone with such warped views about economics could work in a State Treasury or as a first year macroeconomics lecturer.
Alice, now that I apologise for my previous rudeness to you, do you want to explain how the private sector is no more efficient than the public sector?
I refer to Gary Sturgess’ Opinion article in the AFR dated 15 June this year.
It appears to me your belief is mathematically impossible and the private sector is more efficient than the private sector.
.
11 Oct 12 at 11:03 pm
Dunno about that.
But you really have to be pretty bad.
JC
11 Oct 12 at 11:05 pm
dot, that is a very thoughtful response. It’s too late to give a sensible response, but I will do so tomorrow.
SteveC
11 Oct 12 at 11:40 pm
The cutting edge Age:
Face of Jill Meagher’s alleged killer revealed.
C.L.
12 Oct 12 at 12:28 am
Wow. Just wow. This government should die of shame.
She really is despicable low-life scum.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 12:28 am
Dennis Shanahan ridicules the Rodent:
C.L.
12 Oct 12 at 12:56 am
Yes. We can’t say this often or loudly enough.
She personally approved of one of the most vicious sexist attacks in Australian parliamentary history – via wiggling imbo Wayne Swan on Gina Rinehart.
She has passionately defended men charged, respectively, with robbing hospital workers to pay prostitutes and calling women c—ts and bitches.
She has said – and encouraged others to say – that Abbott hates his own daughters.
She is damaged goods.
C.L.
12 Oct 12 at 1:04 am
Great stuff from Shanahan. Wonder if he’ll still have a job tomorrow? Wonder if The Australian will still be around after this despicable hypocritical bottom-feeding loathsome putrid government legislates to squelch any newspaper that is critical of them, their actions and their hideous policies?
Gillard and her hand-picked pustules are the festering canker sores of politics.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 1:05 am
Tony Jones announced tonight that Lateline will have a special feature tomorrow night on regulating the media. That is, banning free speech. News Ltd boss versus academic gauleiter who advised Finkelstein. Gillard’s Australia.
C.L.
12 Oct 12 at 1:16 am
Oh so raaaaacist, wimmensist and abusively villificationist!!! I near died of shame Gab.
Mick Gold Coast QLD
12 Oct 12 at 1:19 am
Phillip Coorey adds hyper-macho violent imagery to politcal contest:
PM’s backers return fire on snipers from Rudd camp.
C.L.
12 Oct 12 at 1:22 am
I read the link C.L. and see that the bloke’s ambulance chaser couldn’t wait to get to court, table lots of internet comments and pretend he’s a victim who will be cruelly made to sit in the court with a dunces hat on saying “Guilty”.
I do not understand how describing a sub human as sub human can be villification.
Mick Gold Coast QLD
12 Oct 12 at 1:28 am
1,170,000 results. A week ago it would have been zero.
This is now a thing.
Top work, McTernan, Fairfax & Co!
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 1:32 am
I wonder what Richo would have written if he were not (deliberately?) unaware that Roxon had Slipper’s texts for months.
CC
12 Oct 12 at 1:38 am
Obama, the first birther – Anne Coulter
CC
12 Oct 12 at 1:39 am
I just realized that McTernan follows me on Twitter. Eep.
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 1:40 am
You know the witch is getting deadly serious when she wheels out Comrade Minister for Playschool Katey Kate Ellis to throw death stares in the direction of Comrade Dear Leader (in exile).
Give her time and the Member for Teenage Giggly Girls will also transmogrify into a fat asksed, Mao suited, snarling, vituperative, man hating shrew too.
Mick Gold Coast QLD
12 Oct 12 at 1:44 am
I would tell you but I’d have to kill you =)
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 1:44 am
The more The Australian muscles up, the less likely she will take them on. Ditto all other media. The press needs to learn that lesson if they want to survive, both at the hands of the politicians and at the hands of the public.
CC
12 Oct 12 at 1:47 am
Emily’s List aka Gal-qaeda.
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 1:48 am
“Promiscuous and weirdly proud offence-taking” – is that all the ALP has left?
Brendan O’Neill to Julia Gillard: Man up.
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 2:41 am
‘Gillard: the Susan Boyle of the feminist lobby.’
Gold.
Thanks for that link Spotty. Good to see you again too.
CC
12 Oct 12 at 2:48 am
Now I have to go see a man about a dog. Laterz, kids!
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 2:58 am
Hey dog welcome back,where have you been you naughty little puppy
Tal
12 Oct 12 at 5:52 am
Frankly that’s smart on his part. He wants to keep track of the political conversation on the other side of the fence.
Don’t sweat it.
dd
12 Oct 12 at 6:12 am
Richo says what the rest of the country is thinking:
It’s worth cutting and pasting the headline to get to the text if you don’t have a subscription: it’s some of Richo’s best work.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 6:36 am
The Dawg knows why McTernan is following him, Dave. It doesn’t make it any less creepy to know you are being stalked by Jack the Ripper.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 6:40 am
Tom, he is hardly Jack the Ripper, McTernan is a loud mouthed bully-boy and classic stand-over type. He is a foul mouthed, bottom feeder, whose soul purpose is to make shit up and spread lies and formulate very poorly thought out and executed political attacks.
He is the type of weak prick that when finally confronted and called out for his shenanigans will shit his pants and run to mummy crying.
There is nothing frightening or dangerous (Jack the Ripper style) about that slimy little dirt bag.
Old Fridgie
12 Oct 12 at 7:35 am
Gillard’s idiots are so obsessed with getting AbbottAbbottAbbott they’ve let the UN anti-democrats in through the wide-open front door:
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 7:41 am
Sorry Tom – I simply cannot abide Hypertension Man in any way, shape or form, including his ‘rebirth’ as a supposedly dispassionate political columnist.
These lines show why:
Utter partisan bullshit.
Rabz
12 Oct 12 at 7:45 am
Snoopdog Bunyip reveals that, back in the day, young Laurie Oakes was quite partial to the biffo he’s trying to hang on AbbottAbbottAbbott.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 7:55 am
Fox News reports that Joe Biden was “all over the place” in his early prep for today’s vice-presidential debate and top Obama advisors including David Alexrod have been sent in to mind/mentor him.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 8:07 am
Hope those south coast mussels are OK. Bloody Global Cooling.
Rudiau
12 Oct 12 at 8:21 am
Barrie Cassidy at the Drum
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-12/cassidy-hasty-conclusions-in-a-labyrinthine-week-of-blunders/4308294
The piss-weak bastard has turned off the Comments!!!!
He’s too thin-skinned! He’d cop a backlash
Mike
Mike of Marion
12 Oct 12 at 8:47 am
from the leader of Cassidy’s article at the ABC’s Drum.
In other words, it was a disaster for Gillard.
dd
12 Oct 12 at 8:54 am
When i went to the article it said “updated 3 minutes ago”
The article itself was posted about 2 hours ago.
Comments are now switched on.
Does Cassidy read Catallaxy?
Rudiau
12 Oct 12 at 8:56 am
This just gets worse every day.
State Department Followed Benghazi Attack as It Happened
Rudiau
12 Oct 12 at 9:06 am
Belmont Club.
“According to our best intelligence”
Lord have mercy on our souls.
Rudiau
12 Oct 12 at 9:14 am
Gee, how 50 years of technology slides by so quickly.
I’m getting old too quick!!!!!
http://www.wimp.com/theinventor/
Mike
Mike of Marion
12 Oct 12 at 9:32 am
Priceless, Spot.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 9:38 am
Ol’ Leatherface saves you an hour on Sunday by previewing The Abbott Hour,
Yep Ol’ Leathery, she is killing it.
H B Bear
12 Oct 12 at 10:01 am
Give us a spell, you gutless old wardheeler. It was actually the moment any remaining doubters realised she wasn’t up to the job and they wanted her arseholed as soon as possible.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 10:15 am
Does anyone have a reputable source on the US election polling, please?
The Mole is adamant that obongo is going to win.
Rabz
12 Oct 12 at 10:31 am
Has Ol’ Leatherface been ingesting even more psychotropics than usual?
Rabz
12 Oct 12 at 10:33 am
UNBELIEVABLE.
Rob Oakeshotte, the MP who betrayed his conservative electorate in order to install this farcical disgrace of a government, who sits with Craig Thompson and supports him, who voted to support Slipper…
Protest to their local MPs? This from the man who doesn’t dare show his face in his electorate?
The hypocrisy of this government and its supporters stinks worse than a five day old shitty nappy left in the sun.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/in-depth/act-dont-just-cry-into-your-beer-mp/story-fndckad0-1226493968983
twostix
12 Oct 12 at 10:35 am
Rabz, love your work but, with the greatest respect, the Mole is the most unreliable seer since that record executive passed up on The Beatles.
C.L.
12 Oct 12 at 10:41 am
Use Rasmussen or Gallup. Find them on RealClearPolitics. These have the best methodology.
Note the weighted poll average on RCP are skewed by crazy outlier polls by the news agencies that back the Democrats (e.g. NYT).
Token
12 Oct 12 at 10:43 am
Sounds great, let’s start with that list of MPs who voted to endorse the disgusting mysoginistic texts by Slipper earlier this week.
Token
12 Oct 12 at 10:57 am
Thanks, Tokes.
Rabz
12 Oct 12 at 11:03 am
Coldest October day in Canberra since 1968 yesterday, followed by snow.
Keith
12 Oct 12 at 11:27 am
Yes the drive to work this morning was fun – picturesque snow capped peaks in the distance.
Damn you gerbil worming!
Rabz
12 Oct 12 at 11:31 am
Biden vs Ryan would have been a draw if Biden hadn’t talked over Ryan. All that smirky stuff by Biden was also very contrived. The worst that could be said is that the VP debate didn’t do Romney-Ryan any harm.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 12:40 pm
Going through the old LP posts is fun
Ikonoclast
May 16th, 2011 at 10:23 | #1 Reply | Quote
Hahahaha!
.
12 Oct 12 at 12:46 pm
Has any leftist, given the recent disclosures about the imbroglio in Benghazi, come forward and apologized to the American that is now sitting in prison purportedly for a parole violation but in fact to provide cover to the serial failure of the US government to protect its own personnel in Libya? Have they cancelled their subscription to the Nation? Have the returned the membership to the Democrats? Have they removed the Politico from their twitter feed? Have they at the very least mustered some redness in their pasty cheeks? No? Keep this in mind the next raise the issue of civil liberties, among other things.
dover_beach
12 Oct 12 at 2:08 pm
You’ve got a serious sickness.
Infidel Tiger
12 Oct 12 at 2:19 pm
From Bolt re the ABC:
This is what those of us who know and have had to interact with the left have often said here. They do not see that their worldview is just that, a cultural construct. They see it as absolute truth.
Strange, from the purveyors of relativist post-modernism.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
12 Oct 12 at 2:49 pm
WTF Florida? Seriously, WTF?
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topstories/article/277724/483/Mystery-giant-eyeball-washes-up-in-Pompano-Beach
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 3:21 pm
Unextincted Extra Terrestrials?
Rabz
12 Oct 12 at 3:25 pm
Civility!
#WarOnWomen
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 3:28 pm
Florida is kind of America’s version of Darwin, NT. Only with more face-eating.
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 3:32 pm
Someone should make a mini series based on politics this week,people watching it in years to come won’t believe we had to live in this swill
Tal
12 Oct 12 at 4:38 pm
It’s an illustration of the last of the four stages of post-modernism: post-modern, post-literate, post-numerate, post-sensate.
Mother Hubbard's Dog
12 Oct 12 at 5:07 pm
Catallaxy has more breakdowns than my grandpa’s Jag.
infidel Tiger
12 Oct 12 at 5:53 pm
Jags, what car mechanic’s dreams are made on.
dover_beach
12 Oct 12 at 5:56 pm
Sorry, it was Khweer-gunz, not LP.
.
12 Oct 12 at 6:00 pm
Relativism is a useful analytical tool, pity the people who invented it quickly abandoned it.
“The other side believes they are doing the right thing” was more than they could admit into their worldview.
wreckage
12 Oct 12 at 7:40 pm
Yeah Dot?
Who is apying your tuition fees for your phd and who’s
paying your rent and who’s paying your food and expenses while you blog all day and dont study you lazy bastard?
Is it Mummy? I suject it might just be.
If not where do you actually work to be efficeiont Dot? ie do you actually contyribute to your own costs or do you bludge off someone else while you insult everyone else in here?
Well Dot – let me tell you something about work. I have worked since I was 13 years old after school, weekends and thne at 16 full time work and Ive worked ever since and paid my own way since 16 (rent and everything else).
So what have you done and who is paying for your PHD?
Oh by the way Precious, before I became a registerd nurse I worked as waitress for a year and had to deal with stuck up businessmen in North Sydney who thought they were so great and as long as they splashed the tips and wobbled out of the restaurant I couldnt give a damn. I lived off those tips and saved my wages.
Dot – you are a waste of time and space. You are too precious to know or understand the real world at all.
So who is paying for your phd Mr blogtimewaster?
Alice
12 Oct 12 at 7:56 pm
Go and drink somewhere else, Alice.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 8:01 pm
Some people want to talk about inefficiency and we have people out there living solely off other people’s savings ie spoilt children who’s parents are paying for their uni while they pretend to be studying and blog all day?
Hang on – dont we aim to be efficient? Dont we aim for all to be hard workers and self supporting and independant or do the children of rich parents get a ticket of leave to be bludgers and timewasters in blogs??
Who is payinhg for your phd Dot?
If you work, where and exactly how many hours a week do you work? How much paid work that you earn contributes to your as far as I can see, sadly lacking, phd econ education?
Interesting question Steve C asked. So far no response from Dot.
I look forward to your response later.
Alice
12 Oct 12 at 8:07 pm
Alice cut the crap, I’ve answered that previously.
How did you get into postgraduate economics if your only previous education was school up to 16 and a British nursing certificate?
Did you also pay for your postgraduate degree in economic up front in its entirety as you claim above?
.
12 Oct 12 at 8:08 pm
Alice can you also explain why you think the Koch Brothers are as bad as Hosni Mubarak?
.
12 Oct 12 at 8:13 pm
Why dont you answer Steve and my questions first Dot boy?
How did you get into postgrad econ more to the point and wheer excatly have you worked to pay for it?
Hey guess what you smug prick?
I worked, paid my own uni (all of it) and worked more and got into post grad econ om my own merits and at my own cost dickead with no help from Mummy or Daddy.
MY parents were too poor to send me to unis. Thats why I was a nurse first. So Dot, I got into post grad econ on my own merits and hard work all the way. I got everyhthing I have on my own merits since I was 16 and supported myself fully since that time including rent, car, mortgage, the lot.
I know how to work very hard Dot. You dont.
Parasites like you only know how to be smug and comfotable in the knowledge that someone else (like Mummy and Daddy) picks up the tab for your lazy arse.
Alice
12 Oct 12 at 8:16 pm
Interesting how Bolta is approaching the fact that if he mentions a certain group he’ll be wasting his time at the press council:
Token
12 Oct 12 at 8:16 pm
LOL
Jarrah
June 3rd, 2009 at 15:10 | #43 Reply | Quote
Alice, correct me if I’m wrong, but I recall you mentioning that you teach economics. Would you mind telling me where?
Alice
June 3rd, 2009 at 15:12 | #44 Reply | Quote
Public sector employment has
fallen by 80,000 jobs since 1987 (despite population increases and the now bad unemployment situation). Thats criminal. Its also more than half of public sector employment. Those people spent money and paid taxes. Every public asset that could be found anywhere has been sold (a hell of a lot under you know who again – JH – a one man wrecking yard).
Thats criminal negligence
Alice
June 3rd, 2009 at 15:20 | #45 Reply | Quote
94# Jarrah? – are you trying to ask me on a date? Thats very sweet.
Jarrah
June 3rd, 2009 at 15:21 | #46 Reply | Quote
Sorry, Alice – I’m married.
I just wanted to know what institution to avoid
.
12 Oct 12 at 8:18 pm
I answered Steve’s questions. I apologised and we made out peace and we entered civil discussion. I am not answering them again.
You are incapable of civil discussion.
I already told you I have a first class honours degree.
Now Alice, how does one go from a TAFE certificate in nursing to postgraduate economics?
Your knowledge of economics reeks of recycled wiki and left wing talking points and is devoid of analysis or independent thought.
Your career and work history is made up.
.
12 Oct 12 at 8:20 pm
I suspected Joe Biden’s arrogant attempt to beat up Paul Ryan in the VP debate wouldn’t go down well with swinging voters, and so it proved:
I expect this will translate into a slight bump for Romney-Ryan in the election overall.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 8:20 pm
But a Jag is a beautiful thing working or not
Daisy
12 Oct 12 at 8:22 pm
Libya security cut while Vienna embassy gained Chevy Volts
Examining the State Department’s misplaced green priorities
JamesK
12 Oct 12 at 8:27 pm
Yea Tom, I thought as much watching the debate. Biden was a complete turnoff.
It’s okay to act a little like Biden if you have the other dude completely on the ropes. You have some leeway too slightly ridicule the other person. However you don’t when he’s performing credibly.
JC
12 Oct 12 at 8:28 pm
Parasites like you only know how to be smug and comfotable in the knowledge that someone else (like Mummy and Daddy) picks up the tab for your lazy arse.
Sheesh, you typify the type of attitude Judith Sloan suggested when she wrote:
Rather there are messages in the patently inadequate allowance for the unemployed – you are not as deserving as those on other allowances, you are at fault, you should simply find a job. It is not at all clear that these messages are the best way to motivate and encourage the unemployed to gain employment.
So what you are saying Alice, that we should ridicule those looking for work? Great attitude you have.
Now fuck off. I’m sick of your crap.
Dead Soul
12 Oct 12 at 8:29 pm
Tim Peterson
August 28th, 2009 at 14:11 | #18 Reply | Quote
Alice,
Specifics?
On the subject of bull, you initially said that tighter monetary policy and lower inflation had come at the expense of higher unemployment.
When I pointed out that actual unemployment and the NAUIRU are were lower in the 2000s than the 70s, ie that low inflation ultimately didn’t* lead to higher unemployment, you switched to a diatribe about the cyclical unemployment rate now (irrelevant to the argument, since it was not due to anti-inflation policy) and the definition of unemployment (also irrelevant, since decade average unemployment is lower under a standardized definition for the 2000s vs the 1970s).
* Added in as a correction later.
.
12 Oct 12 at 8:30 pm
Oy sdog. Nothing wrong with Florida. My wife and I love the place, especially Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Orlando and Key West (Conch Fritters, Coconut Shrimp, Key Lime Pie, Yuengling Beer). Clean, fantastic roads. Can’t wait to go there again. Definitely nothing like Darwin.
Septimus
12 Oct 12 at 8:34 pm
And now for something completely different.
Surprised by this recent finding. Tryptophan is difficult to get into the brain. You need tryptophan rich foods and a friend advised me that this is best with a high carb meal because that stimulates insulin release which promotes the other amino acid to be taken up by muscle cells thereby allowing more T into the brain. I didn’t follow that up but I trust his judgment. Tryptophan is the amino acid that is critical for serotonin production and is diverted from sero prodn via inflammation, hence one reason why we feel lousy when sick.
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-10-enzymes-aging-tryptophan-metabolism-key.htmlhttp://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-10-enzymes-aging-tryptophan-metabolism-key.html
Dead Soul
12 Oct 12 at 8:35 pm
Dot youb say
” Why dont you answer Steve and my questions first Dot boy?
I answered Steve’s questions. I apologised and we made out peace and we entered civil discussion. I am not answering them again.”
I say Bullshit you answered Steve’s questions re who’s paying for your phd pivileged one?
You dint nanswer then and you dint make no peace with Steve. Let Steve answer that.
Either way, you have no basis to question me you prat, because I actually worked for everything I git including nusring quals and an undergrad degree with distrinction average mark nacross all subjects and post grad econ.
More than you could manage paying for the whole damn lot youself sibce age 16 ie including your own rent, expenses, all (and now I own a house on my own no mortgage and other real estate investments and the house I live in with my partner – the bank doesnt own us – and by the way I pay for my own son to study).
Ask mne dometime smartarse how I have no mortages? You might even find out in addition to working my guts out sibce age 16 I speculatively dealt in real estate along the way and enjoyed every minute of it.
More than you have achieved in your short smartarse life so dont you tell me whether I deserve my post grad econ or anything else.
I worked damn hard for it and everything.
Why dont you just front up and tell us who is paying for your econ studies and tone your smart juvenile mouth down a bit?
Alice
12 Oct 12 at 8:37 pm
Alice you wouldn’t be a psych nurse would you?
My observation of meeting a few psych nurses was that the should have been in the bed not standing next to it.
Your posts confirm to me the same conclusion.
Spatacrobat
12 Oct 12 at 8:38 pm
I agree Sept.
I’ve had great times in Florida and if wifey wasn’t so hung up on living where the rels are I’d be a happy Floridian.
One place I’ve always loved is Boca Ratan. It’s my kind of place. Naples on the gulf is pretty good too.
JC
12 Oct 12 at 8:39 pm
Alice I have answered all of that before and I have nothing to be embarrassed about nor have you caught me out lying.
I’m wondering how you go from a TAFE certificate in healthcare earned whilst working/left school at 16 to a M Ec or a Ph D?
.
12 Oct 12 at 8:40 pm
No Spatocrat
Ive been a nurse, not for many years. Gave it up. Rotten pay. I like money. Didnt have much when I was young.
Never a psych nurse. Went to uni. Got s degree with disntiction average. Paid for all myself whilst workiung full time. Paid more than my lecturers as a student. Got my post grad. Dealt real estate. Made money.
Its Friday night. I having wine (white) with my husband who runs his own business (and tolerates my real estate dealings), cooked a gorgeous lamb roast in a clay oven (so good), and am enjouying the coean views and dont have to put up with a stupid young dick like Dot.
Any objections?
Alice
12 Oct 12 at 8:45 pm
So you left home and school at 16 Alice?
You’re a real estate speculator as well?
I find it mazing you are so proud of this but you hate other people with money and hate paying $4 for a bottle of milk.
.
12 Oct 12 at 8:47 pm
“Paid more than my lecturers as a student.”
So you left home and school at 16 Alice?
You’re a real estate speculator as well?
I find it mazing you are so proud of this but you hate other people with money and hate paying $4 for a bottle of milk.
Alice – in today’s money to be paid more than a B level lecturer would require you to be paid at least $35 per hour and possibly $40-$45 per hour.
You studied full time, worked full time and raised your children all at once?
.
12 Oct 12 at 8:53 pm
I’m just funnin’. My baby sister and her family currently live there and I like ragging on it, but I’m actually quite fond of the place. It does seem like all the weirdest things happen in The F State, but.
http://www.google.com/search?q=florida+“the+f+state”
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 8:54 pm
So why do you hate people with money, and what job did you have as an unskilled worker to work tolerable hours with no overtime to study full time and earn a D average? How did you find the time to raise your children in all of this?
.
12 Oct 12 at 8:57 pm
Sorry, munted link (thanks, apostrophes!). Try this for exemplars of F-State looniness: http://tinyurl.com/8evey2f
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 8:57 pm
Plus the place encourages a classier type of serial killer
JamesK
12 Oct 12 at 8:57 pm
Mind you wiv Dexter roundabouts serial killers don’t last very long there no matter how classy.
Except for Dexter himself of course
Who’s cool
JamesK
12 Oct 12 at 9:00 pm
Well hating paying $4 for a bottle of mild is part of makes people with money keep their money Dot.
(not that you would undertand that – seeing as you have come from such a privileged background that you live like a parasite while someone else pays for your studies).
People who are brought up poor often make better in life than people like you you rely on others.
My lovely husband is the same. Brought up poor, poorer than me (very poor – single mother – no holiday ever) but now very successful and he thinks just like me and worked damn hard in his life – same as me – we both hate poverty not rich people.
But we both have little respect for rich people’s lazy chiildren.
I am sure you can understand that Dot.
There is such a thing as spoiling children and they never end up standing on their own two feet.
Alice
12 Oct 12 at 9:00 pm
oH LORD, WILL THE TWO OF YOU JUST GET A ROOM!
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 9:05 pm
Alice
Are you a looker?
JC
12 Oct 12 at 9:06 pm
oops, didn’t mean for the caps to be there.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 9:06 pm
Psychopaths aren’t as fucked up in Florida because the weather’s better. Incidentally, if you get away from the tourist strip, you could be in a tropical version of the Wimmera-Mallee – beaut cropping country if you’re a cocky.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 9:06 pm
Dot
I dont know where to start with my skills. Too big for you to get your head around but mostly its just plain hard work and I did that for years.
” what job did you have as an unskilled worker to work tolerable hours with no overtime to study full time and earn a D average?”
What do you want now my F****** transcript?.
Domnt forget the prizes I won and dont forget I graduated with a placing og eleventh out ot 3000 students. That makes it a D plus average in fact ie close to 80 GPA across the 29 subjects in my undergrad (how many in yours/ 24??)
Dont forget the prizes I won for top of various subjects for the years I studied in my undergrad?
This while I was working full time earning more than my lecturers with a staff of eight under me.
You know something. I wasnt married or engaged. Had no time. I just worked my behind off on weekends.
How many weekends did you give up Dot for your studies combined with full time work.
OH god, I almost cant stand this spoilt child Dot and his chilidh comments. He doesnt even work full time while he “studies his phd” and blogs most days?
Alice
12 Oct 12 at 9:08 pm
Alice
No Alice I am not a bludger or “privileged”.
Maybe your memory is failing you. Academics were paid very well during the time you went to university. Nowadays they cannot attract people away from industry.
Going on current, indexed pay rates, a uni lecturer (B) earns 88-100k. This is common across unis.
So someone earning that on normal hours would need to be paid 44-50 AUD per hour.
Now you said you quit as a nurse because the pay was poor so what else could possibly pay that well?
Maybe you did a huge amount of overtime? Then I don’t understand how you could have gotten a D average etc.
.
12 Oct 12 at 9:08 pm
For our international guests here: no, I don’t know what that sentence means either.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 9:09 pm
JC
I was waiting for you to comment.
Alice
12 Oct 12 at 9:09 pm
…sez the loud-mouthed overbearing Mom whose disingenuous debut on this blog featured her running interference for her adult son because his Uni lecturers were being mean! to him.
LOL.
Don’t drink so much, you old fool. It kills brain cells, and you need a good memory to be a good liar.
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 9:12 pm
Alice how are your kids? Is your idiot son still working at JB Hi-Fi flogging transistors and record players to pensioners?
Infidel Tiger
12 Oct 12 at 9:14 pm
Also, what Gab said. Y’all need to get a room already.
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 9:15 pm
Dot and Alice are the equivilent of Maddie and David from Moonlighting Gab.
Eventually their eyes will lock, the heart will skip a beat and they will be ready for that room you mentioned.
In the mean time I will be putting some more lard on the cat’s boil.
Splatacrobat
12 Oct 12 at 9:16 pm
They grow wheat, barley and other cereal crops in “outback” Florida. If you head out west from Palm Beach through Lake Okeechobee towards Tampa and the Gulf Coast, it’s a different world. Gab, a cocky is a farmer. I’m a cocky’s son.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 9:17 pm
Alice
If you’re a looker, then by all means talk as much drivel as you want. At The Cat, lookers have free reign to babble on about any worthless crap they choose. In fact they are encouraged to.
However this doesn’t apply to non lookers or beasts. And no, this isn’t a a misogynistic comment. We love lookers here.
JC
12 Oct 12 at 9:21 pm
Of course, I actually knew that but forgot, Tom. It’s been a while since I’ve heard those terms since leaving the land in my teens.
So, being all city-fied, when I read it I puzzled ‘why is Tom going around Miami trimming (crop) the plumage on cockatoos? Isn’t that illegal?’. Thanks for the reminder of the Aussie terms I’d forgotten.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 9:23 pm
Thought you were, sdog.
Septimus
12 Oct 12 at 9:23 pm
Dot – What else could pay that well was wotking for Mayne Nickless in management and lots of travel.
Someone your age needs to be very choosy about who they work for in the prime of their life and my advice is to go for the big organistaions rather than small or medium…if you cam talk your way into mid management or higher.
Forget it if you cant – they pay lower level wages at crap rates, but the diff is small mediums pay most level wages except mid high at crap rates.
You still trying to interrogate my skills set Dot?
I havent even told you about my other skills yet and you are confused about the ones I have told you about already and keep asking silly questions.
I wouldnt know where to start. You seem to think people leave school,follow a defined career path, tick boxes, go the same direction, never change etc
Life isnt like that and sometimes you take a gamble on better returns elswehere. It worked well for me but I worked for it.
btw when I left nursing dont apply current hourly rates – the pay was shit and never got much better if you worked harder and eg got more certificates – you couldnt work harder to make much more.
We were regularly working overtime of one to two hours with no pay in major Sydney hospitals – thats how short staffed it was. There was a mass exodus from the system in the years surrounding when I left and that was why I left. Overworked and grossly ubderpaid.
Its all in the history. So many left they had to import nurses from Oseas to run our hospitals and increasingly use casuals.
Probably cost them more.
Alice
12 Oct 12 at 9:26 pm
Tom, but why would you head west? 30 yards west of the I 95 is about as far as you want to go. In fact , change that. You do want to go further west of the outer north bound lane of the I 95. The fucking heat is unbearable without the ocean breeze.
JC
12 Oct 12 at 9:27 pm
Oops… don’t want
JC
12 Oct 12 at 9:28 pm
Hahahahaha.
Assange is trying to charge money for access to stolen data, and his data-stealers are NO THAPPY JULIAN!
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 9:29 pm
I figured you were a country chick, Gab. Youz rool. Incidentally, Sdog is still refusing to tell us why he disappeared. I think he might have been away on a Dirty Week.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 9:30 pm
and
Buggar me – I would have reckoned you’d know that one Gab. It’s a bit like the old term “the squatter”, the bloke who owns the rural property.
Mick Gold Coast QLD
12 Oct 12 at 9:30 pm
Alice I have said before I chose a frugal existence to finish my studies. I have no obligation to you Alice.
What university in the 1980s in Australia had a graduating class of 3000 for any faculty?
.
12 Oct 12 at 9:34 pm
Mick, I’d forgotten the term. Neurons not firing fast tonight.
Tom, I dun tol’ ya before. Spot007 was in Monaco on “company” business.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 9:35 pm
Dot
“I ndont understand how you got a D average”
Dot you know the answer to that. Work, work and more work.
Infidel Tiger
My son is just great – no longer working for JB slave masters crappy users of keen to work school leavers as casuals on a shift a week. Doing electrical engineering at uni and doing really well (he is my son after all).
JC – am I a looker? You should look beyond looks JC but I make no comment on my own looks. Ill leave that to those who are the lookers. Does it matter? Or does it matter less when you are older?. I think the latter. Mens looks matter less to me know than when I was younger and I can see personality more now than I could when it was obscured by good looks. Age can be a blessing.
The older men get and the less good looking they are the nicer they become as people?
Funny, that.
Alice
12 Oct 12 at 9:38 pm
Neurons are, however, firing faster than the Cat refresh!
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 9:38 pm
Just as I thought, Gab. A week’s worth of rich French biachez. Tough gig.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 9:42 pm
Dot not a graduating class. A graduating year (two semesters of intakes)
My God its super sleuth Dot – and he still thinks he doesnt believe me.
Talk about inspector Clousseau.
Alice
12 Oct 12 at 9:43 pm
JUMP
Sorry but I’ve had no luck trying to locate that vid of Kelly O’Dwyer on The Nation. As Gillard said in her first speech after bribing the Independents”
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 9:45 pm
I AM AN ALSATIAN OF THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT, TOM.
Truly. I read that on the Internet somewhere so it must be true.
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 9:45 pm
JUMP! JUMP! I found it!
Here’s the most excellent Kelly O’Dwyer on the “venom politics of sexism”. An all female panel on SkyNews’ The Nation wherein Kelly does battle with four lefties.
Clique here.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 9:55 pm
JUMP! JUMP! I found it!
Here’s the most excellent Kelly O’Dwyer on the “venom politics of sexism”. An all female panel on SkyNews’ The Nation wherein Kelly does battle with four lefties..
Clique here.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 9:55 pm
Wow. I got so excited I posted twice.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 9:58 pm
You never were one to mince your words, BS, and I think we are all finding this tedious. It’s so dull soon I’ll be having a mug of hot tryptophan with a spoonful of bee’s carbo and heading bedwards with a book. Works for me. Thanks for more on the science of it.
Alice, no-one doubts that people can have complex backgrounds and get an education without bludging for it. I know because that’s me too: I did just that. But you are going on and on and on about it all like someone in early dementia. My very considered advice is get over it or seek help.
I doubt very much if Dot as one of the more forthright of the Cat guys is interested in getting a room with a didactic older married lady patently a gasser not a looker, but I wish he could talk to the rest of us again for a bit. You are monopolising his time and boring us all, so desist or go.
Hey Dot, Da Hairy Ape says Friday nites are ‘normally quite reliable’ on SBS for a little visual show and tell, maybe that’s an alternative till Alice goes to bed.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
12 Oct 12 at 10:11 pm
Alice
Your story is just whacky.
Out of 3000 people, in a large sydney university, in the commerce/econ faculty, during the mid 1980s, only ten got better than a distinction average?
A large university like UNSW only had about 17000 enrolments per year back in the 1980s – now enrolments sit above 45000.
Say across five faculties – arts, law, commerce, science and engineering – and at least three years of students – each faculty would struggle to get more than 1500 students graduating across a whole year (both semesters of intake).
Even back in the mid-late 1990s UNSW (representative of a bigger university), it only had economics & commerce total undergraduate enrolments (commencing and continuing combined, all years) just a touch over 2800.
.
12 Oct 12 at 10:14 pm
FFS – is this thing on?!?!?
Rabz
12 Oct 12 at 10:16 pm
It’s going like a 1935 Vauxhall, Rabz.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 10:19 pm
Yes, the rest of us are feeling very unloved, Dot.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 10:23 pm
I keep getting the “Ozblog is broken” message.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 10:26 pm
Oh yeah?
Well f*ck you too, Squire!
Rabz
12 Oct 12 at 10:28 pm
My final comment ever on this subject is that Alice must have went to a very, very strange university.
In 1996, UNSW had undergrad enrolments over 19000. They only awarded over 4000 degrees at this level in total.
Following similar demographics and information she has volunteered, Alice’s university would have had 3000 commerce faculty graduates (of which she came 11th) and 579 graduates from the remaining arts, science, law and engineering faculties combined. A big sydney research university.
This is highly dubious.
.
12 Oct 12 at 10:31 pm
Me too. Ozblog is on the blink. I’m giving up. Nighty-night. Sweet dreams all.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
12 Oct 12 at 10:32 pm
I understand ABC2 has taken over as Friday night viewing for connoisseurs of the human form, labelling its programming as “Frisky Fridays”.
SBS is now more likely to have some interminable cycle race on these days…
Cold-Hands
12 Oct 12 at 10:36 pm
Teh blog is munted again.
And I for one think it raises the question about the role that Tony Abbott’s playing.
sdog
12 Oct 12 at 10:37 pm
Install a PHP opcode cache, they said.
I say: I did that a few years ago. They cause everything to crash.
Well that was then, they said. Everything now is plain sailing.
I say: sure, what’s the worst that could happen?
*ker-rash*
Jacques Chester
12 Oct 12 at 10:37 pm
Also, for bonus points, we got slammed with a massive traffic surge earlier today (when it first crashed). About 5k requests/second for a few minutes until I kicked the server over.
Jacques Chester
12 Oct 12 at 10:38 pm
Jacques, we trust you to kick the necessary arses. Just kick them hard.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 10:41 pm
We cause poor Jacques a lot of headaches!
I blame SFB.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 10:44 pm
FYI, the nudie bits on SBS appear on Thursday nights now. Just so you know
tbh
12 Oct 12 at 10:45 pm
It’s just annoying, Tom. People say stuff will be smooth, fast and stable. And it is.
For about an hour. An hour!
Fucking PHP programmers.
Jacques Chester
12 Oct 12 at 10:47 pm
Jacques has probably seen the nude photos of Sinc doing weird things with animals that SfB has.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 10:48 pm
shitfer is in his heaven – no more boring nayzees!
Rabz
12 Oct 12 at 10:49 pm
Nighty night Jacques. Dreamboat miracle worker toiling day and night just for us. Thanxxxxx
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
12 Oct 12 at 10:50 pm
Where’s my $2, Gina?
Jacques Chester
12 Oct 12 at 10:51 pm
Jacques – does teh new thread start in 7 minutes or just over an hour???
Rabz
12 Oct 12 at 10:53 pm
Wonder if Sinclair has been able to set the new thread for midnight.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 10:54 pm
Relentless negativity.
“Dot – What else could pay that well was wotking for Mayne Nickless in management and lots of travel.”
Note what Alice said at 9.08 and 9.26.
She worked in Mayne Nickless in management (“with a lot of travel”) and it paid an equivalent to 80-100k in today’s money. She also did full time university at the same time where she managed to get a D average across a 29 subject, three year commerce degree.
How she got to management from a lowly paid and poorly qualified nurse who hated her job is bit of a mystery as well.
Does anyone else smell bullshit?
.
12 Oct 12 at 10:56 pm
For those still to bite teh bullet:
Apple TV
My social life is now ‘o’fficially Toast…
Rabz
12 Oct 12 at 10:58 pm
Does anyone else smell bullshit?
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 11:01 pm
Hell yes. Alice smells like the excrement that Julia has decided to smear her prime ministership in.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 11:03 pm
I can’t stand it,
I know Jacques planned it…
I’m telling yo’ all it’s Rabotage!
Rabz
12 Oct 12 at 11:05 pm
While you’re waiting for some excitement to happen, here’s something truly beautiful to look at.
Tom
12 Oct 12 at 11:12 pm
Alice’s lies are so easy to carve up.
Undergrad at a large uni usually means strict monitoring of (daytime) tutorials and near compulsory attendance expected. Yet she did a 29 subject B Com/B Ec course in three years with a D average and worked a management job with “plenty of travel”.
Remember you’ve also got to commute in the city.
How she prepared for calculus and matrix algebra in even first year university after leaving school at only 16 and doing nursing certs. on the job in England in the 1970s is also above my ken.
.
12 Oct 12 at 11:13 pm
For Jacques
Rabz
12 Oct 12 at 11:22 pm
For Gab
Rabz
12 Oct 12 at 11:24 pm
For Lizzie
Rabz
12 Oct 12 at 11:27 pm
Oh fuck me.
Laurie Oakes shakey old man trying to get down and cool with the young ones directs his readers to…Jezebel.com
Ah Laurie…it also gives readers front page advice on how to be “sluts” and how to give anal with your finger and use buttplugs.
“Ay?Ay?Interwat?Butt plug what? Ay?” Says the irrelevent old man.
He did fully confirm one two things though:
1. He’s Labors bitch.
Gee now how did he get that little story I wonder?
2. John Mcternan is Gillards puppet master.
Let it wash over you. Today the government publically stated that Tony Abbott hates his daughters partly in order for Gillard to protect her position from Rudd.
Oh and no mention of Labors hypocrisy nuclear explosion last night Oakes? Of course not.
twostix
12 Oct 12 at 11:29 pm
You dear sweet man, Rabz.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 11:31 pm
Really? None? No wonder you’re angry.
wreckage
12 Oct 12 at 11:33 pm
oops link
twostix
12 Oct 12 at 11:34 pm
I thought you were doing satire, Twostix until you posted the link. Pity Oakes closed the comments section off.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 11:37 pm
Who is Geoffrey Browne and how did he get his hands on letters written to Bob Santamaria from Abbott and why are they being discussed in the Australian?
How Tony Abbott laboured over choice of party
Hey, “journalists”, how about some of Gillard’s letters written over twenty years ago?
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 11:45 pm
wrekcage
She left home and school at 16 and started full time work, and also got into economics without ever doing calculus at school. This was back in the 1980s when the entry standards were more rigourous.
HECS was implemented in 1989. From 1974-1989, university education was free.
Alice reckoned she did undergrad in the middle of the 1980s (i.e, before 1989).
She is lying.
.
12 Oct 12 at 11:46 pm
He always does.
Doesn’t want to hear from the peons, takes to much time – time that he could be spending dining with his Labor friends and scribing their tales of Labor staffers being at the bar and female bartenders figuring out exactly who they are then telling them about visiting jezebel.com and watching a video of the Prime Minister thus perfectly displaying just how super fucking amazing John Mcternan is (who incidentally was the one telling the story).
Because that happens heaps in bars.
This struck me though:
Umm didn’t Oakes laud Gillards decision as brilliant?
twostix
12 Oct 12 at 11:48 pm
Smells like a Liberal thing to me Gab.
“Oh look Abbott’s not extreme, look he was even going to join the ALP at one stage”.
Prepare for the shitstorm of “the glorious ALP would never have a thug like Tony Abbott!!11!!” etc.
twostix
12 Oct 12 at 11:51 pm
Remember the World’s Greatest Treasurer:
Laurie Oakes…is a fucking cane toad.
.
12 Oct 12 at 11:52 pm
What a f**king hypocrite. Blatant campaign against Abbott on a personal level to do what? Get more votes? I don;t think so.
Gab
12 Oct 12 at 11:52 pm
Lol why not? The entire fabricated “popularity” of this was based on a vulgar, nutcase feminist site and a bunch of unknown losers tweets so sure this push back can be based on a couple of comments:
PM’s speech goes from bad-ass to bad
Nothing like a bit of international perspective ey lefties?
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/pms-speech-goes-from-bad-ass-to-bad/story-fn59niix-1226494771520
twostix
12 Oct 12 at 11:59 pm
Gab, I just watched that clip you posted. Dee Madigan was very hard to take seriously. Kelly O’Dwyer was a complete soldier. She has a very bright future.
dover_beach
13 Oct 12 at 12:01 am
lol yes, that’s a very precise description of Gillard’s little dummy spit.
Gab
13 Oct 12 at 12:02 am
A reasonable article by Paul Kelly except…
“Unacceptable”?
We’ll leave that to the people to decide you clown.
Misogyny tactic will backfire
twostix
13 Oct 12 at 12:08 am
The ALP of the 1980′s was a reformist, centrist party. Today’s ALP is full of lezzos, speech impediments and whoremongers.
Infidel Tiger
13 Oct 12 at 12:10 am
Dover I started to watch it on Jump’s recommendation but honestly, I just couldn’t take it. I’ve had a gutfull of this faux misogynist crap.
A fourteen year old girl gets shot in the head because she dared to speak up against the Taliban and promoting education for girls.
That’s misogyny, not this trumped up disgusting campaign being run by a despicable and disreputable poor excuse for a female posing as the prime minister. I cannot even bring myself to use capital letters for ‘prime minister’.
How will history remember gillard? The first female prime minister who couldn’t take the heat of politics and played the victim card in a failed attempt to cover up her miserable policies and many many failures in office.
A little girl who got promoted well beyond her incompetencies and excused her failures in sooky fashion by saying ‘he was mean’. FMe.
She’s a lying mussel.
Gab
13 Oct 12 at 12:12 am
Peter Van Olsen is the biggest most sopping wet beta male to ever grace the media industry in this nation.
Vomit
twostix
13 Oct 12 at 12:18 am
New thread is now open.
Gab
13 Oct 12 at 12:19 am
Dot
You wouldnt even have a clue
”
wrekcage
She left home and school at 16 and started full time work, and also got into economics without ever doing calculus at school. This was back in the 1980s when the entry standards were more rigourous.
You know something – I did get into uni without ever have done calculus at school and you know something? When i did do calculus I paid people with my own money to tutor me and I was working full time and hey guess what dumbnuts Dot? I didnt need the help you get from mMummy and Daddy while you spout bullshit in here about how you live a “luxurious frugal life on your parents money whiloe doing your phd
You dont have my class or abilities and I had to work to get where I got without Mummy’s and Daddy’s little cushion under your bullshit frugal phd living arse (probably on austudy as well – ie on the public teat – go on admit it??). Thats what pisses you off the most. I did it on my own.
Its not me thats lying sunshine. Its you. You are doing post grad econ on subsidy, not on your own and plus you spend more time in here than on your studies.
You are a joke Dot.
Dot is the liar here. Why dont you fuck ofv and get a real job. Im not lying about my past but you sure as hell are lying about your present and future Mummy’s boy.
Alice
13 Oct 12 at 7:56 pm
Dot says about me
“How she prepared for calculus and matrix algebra in even first year university after leaving school at only 16 and doing nursing certs. on the job in England in the 1970s is also above my ken.
You bet its above your ken little boy. People like you get two extra years of schooling in it before they even went bto uni and still only manage pas grades.
Average students like you who take a relaxed attitude to their studies and come straight out of school and toddle off to uni on their parents purtse strings.
I wouldnt be the first mature age student who has absolutely creamed your type and i wont be the last.
Its well known in unis the mature age grades relative to school leavers like you or havent you been there (in unis) long enough Dot?
Didnt you say you taught min unis (or at least took the odd peer help class rather? Which is it Dot? Tutor or help class? There is a difference. Help classes are run by students like you.
I would expect a so called teacher at uni (tutor or lecturer) to have a much better grip on what the stats are on mature age students grades v new school leavers.
You dont know jack shit Dot and you are lying about your history”econ phd” boy.
You havent even taught in a uni (except maybe a peer help class).
Alice
13 Oct 12 at 8:08 pm
Big fucking deal. I voted for Labor in those days.
JC
13 Oct 12 at 8:18 pm
Dot – Even your stats on graduates in the 1990s from unis are totally amnd completly wrong.
You are just so wrong but you get in here spout erroneous stats with the intent of proving me a liar?.
You are not only stupid. You are wrong on stats and you call yourself an econ phd student. No wonder there is a problem with economics if this is the calibre of phd students coming through now.
You are also jealous that you dont have a distinction average and jealous you didnt do uni on with no help from Mummy and Daddy (your phd studies – where you live a frugal existance on a mix of Mummy and Daddy’s money, the odd help tutorial and likely welfare money)
How do I know ?? – I now contribute to a son probably your age doing his own studies. Thankfully he is working hard, not wasting time on econ blogs insulting people you dont know, like you.
But you still cant get a distinction average can you Dot – even though you are not working?.
I admit my degree cost a lot less than yours (you have hecs) but you don’t pay it now anywway and I paid all mine upfront every semester out of my wages to get a discount (yes, funny about that, Mayne Nickless paid well and I worked hard).
You really dont know the meaning of working hard Dot. As Wreckage says “no wonder I’m angry” to have some ill informed supported upstart like you dare to question me.
Thank goodness my son isnt as rude and obnoxious and lazy as you.
This terminates any conversation Dot.
I have no time at all for people like you.
Alice
13 Oct 12 at 8:28 pm
LOL
Gab
13 Oct 12 at 8:30 pm
Sorry Gab – I know I got carried awy but I do really have concerns about what econ is producing these days by way of students (and theory).
Its tragic. I shouldnt beven bother replying to him. He has evidence and assumptions totally mixed up.
Alice
13 Oct 12 at 8:45 pm
Seriously, mAlice, bugger off.
Mk50 of Brisbane
13 Oct 12 at 8:47 pm
No need to be sorry, Alice. I thought it funny when you’ve spent a bit of time writing to Dot and then say you have no time for him. It’s just such a female thing to say. I can relate.
Gab
13 Oct 12 at 8:50 pm
He has so pissed me off Gab (and it is a female thing to do) – I thought I really dont have to take this crap from a youngster!!.
Alice
13 Oct 12 at 8:55 pm
Yep and here as well.
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/
JC
13 Oct 12 at 8:58 pm
I’m not getting in the middle of it, Alice. You and Dot have a Gillard-Abbott thang happening
Gab
13 Oct 12 at 8:58 pm
you bugger off mk50 Gab is much nicer than you. i was talking to Gab.
Alice
13 Oct 12 at 9:00 pm
Not any more Gab.
Alice
13 Oct 12 at 9:01 pm
Oh well. Was fun while it lasted, Alice and you certainly got Dot all het up. So there’s that feather in your cap.
Gab
13 Oct 12 at 9:04 pm