Yes, very droll, but there is an important point in the reference to the “I have a Dream speech”, which has to be one of the finest speeches ever delivered – both in terms of content and manner of delivery. (King’s background as a Baptist minister and the son of Baptist minister was important.)
Whereas Gillard’s speech was shrill and hectoring, King was persuasively arguing the moral case for African Americans to be treated on equal terms with other Amercians.
It is worth rereading the “I have a Dream” speech, which I have just done. And here are some absolutely critical lines.
We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation.
We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
The real key is that he was not seeking special treatment but equal treatment; he was not seeking favours but equal opportunity. And he was not arguing that people’s behaviour should not be judged. There are some very important messges in the speech which completely elude our political leaders.
My father told me many things but 2 come to mind -
“Treat a lady like a lady (until she proves otherwise)”.
“You cannot demand respect, you must earn it”.
Allan
14 Oct 12 at 10:33 am
Wow, we are in up-side-down world, for once Mad Dog Milne’s daily rant actually is for something in alignment with middle Australia:
Token
14 Oct 12 at 11:11 am
A critical difference between Martin Luther King and Gillard labor is that he did have a dream. It was principled and substantial. The other mob are purely shallow, opportunistic actors with no such dream. They have no underlying belief in what they are saying.
Biota
14 Oct 12 at 11:20 am
As a man I am offended that Abbott can be called a ‘woman hater’ by virtue of his ‘blokiness’. Imagine the hue and cry if Abbott had said that Gillard ‘hated men’ because she was too feminine? Her comments were offensive as they were without basis and were a slur.
nic
14 Oct 12 at 11:27 am
It’s like this: Ever since Gillard became PM, the Opposition had been blowing dog whistles to the Boys’ Club — until Gillard suddenly blew the Queen Mary 2‘s 1932-vintage 55Hz ship whistle to the Sisterhood. The ship whistle not only carried further through the fog, but was repeated by other ships, and thus went viral. Then it was all over, and the results will be seen in the next opinion polls.
Since the ship whistle sounded, this blog has been fighting the last war. And now Prof. Sloan has turned to the war before.
Gavin R Putland
14 Oct 12 at 11:30 am
And now Combet “urges the name-calling” to stop. As far as I can tell, the only “name-calling” has been by Labor in this week’s AbbottAbbottAbbott preoccupation.
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 11:35 am
It’s a good focused point, Nic. Not just Gillard and her semi-lesbian colleagues, the culture generally is now panicky and filled with loathing for masculinity – regards it as bad, as something to be eradicated. The worst practitioners of this panic are the beta-males of the left, who pride themselves on being feminists. The consequences of this culture are serious and widespread. Boys being punished – and drugged – for being boys; a woman walks free despite having abducted children (because – wink wink – come on, that Italian father must be worse) etc.
Abbott is being attacked by the insecure Gillard and the semi-men of the ALP frontbench and media because he is masculine and therefore bad.
C.L.
14 Oct 12 at 11:35 am
So that’s Wong, Milne and now Combet back-peddaling furiously from their confected sexism war on Abbott.
Gillard’s “I had a screech” performance this week was certainly one of their highlights.
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 11:37 am
Another flag-waver, hey?
They always call for a “truce” when they lose.
Make no mistake, the men who control Gillard have told her to pull her head in.
C.L.
14 Oct 12 at 11:39 am
And we can add gavin r Putland to the reverse pelathon.
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 11:40 am
As James Taranto commented in the WSJ : “The thing we adore about these dog-whistle kerfuffles is that the people who react to the whistle always assume it’s intended for somebody else. The whole point of the metaphor is that if you can hear the whistle, you’re the dog.”
The Old and Unimproved Dave
14 Oct 12 at 11:41 am
Perhaps they’ve looked up the meaning of misogny, which is a pathological hatred of women and girls and acceptance of violence towards females, and decided they made a big mistake calling tony Abbott a misogynist.
candy
14 Oct 12 at 11:43 am
Get your shots in and then call a truce. Old tactic.
CL, precisely. We are going down the American path of demonising masculinity.
I don’t think Labor will get a poll bounce out of this. They might even go lower, if they are not already scraping along the bottom.
They may have contrived to lose more votes though, having effectively called ordinary Australian men stupid names.
Julian O'Dea
14 Oct 12 at 11:43 am
Gee Gavin given the speed at which the gubament are now back peddling g it kinda sorta makes you look just a wee bit stopid now. Care to have another try but better be quick before your beloved party members shift into an even higher reverse gear.
Bronson
14 Oct 12 at 11:44 am
I know we joke about adding to the liberty quotes but Taranto really does deserve inclusion for being the brilliant first to state the hilariously obvious.
That observation is a political classic.
C.L.
14 Oct 12 at 11:45 am
Gavin R Putland is a nincompoop
JamesK
14 Oct 12 at 11:51 am
I second CL. Liberty Quote please, Snic!
sdog
14 Oct 12 at 11:54 am
Actually I’m a swinging voter. But in the present company, anyone who is not a rusted-on Coalition voter (or further to the Right) is perceived as a rusted-on Labor voter (or further to the Left).
Bias is in the eye of the beholder: anyone who is less biased than you is biased the other way, because you, by definition, are not biased.
Gavin R Putland
14 Oct 12 at 11:59 am
Gavin R Putland is a chucklehead.
sdog
14 Oct 12 at 12:00 pm
The problem for you GRP is that Judith was making a point about timeless principles.
Biota
14 Oct 12 at 12:14 pm
So, what am I if I can:
(1) see the dog-whistle?
(2) read the make and model of the dog-whistle?
(3) analyze the spectrum of the dog-whistle?
Gavin R Putland
14 Oct 12 at 12:17 pm
Combet was in retreat faster than his French forefathers on Ol’ Leathery’s Abbott Hour this morning. It’s safe to assume the latest Hamish McSporran focus group findings are in.
H B Bear
14 Oct 12 at 12:22 pm
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: “We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal.”
Australia doesn’t have a creed. It just has a lot of minerals per capita. Hence our national effort is digging them up and bickering about drivel.
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 12:39 pm
I’ll paraphrase it slightly, Judith.
Whereas Gillard’s speech was strong and direct, King was persuasively arguing the moral case for African Americans to be treated on equal terms with other Americans.
Gillard’s speech was effectivelly drawing attention to the barely latent sexism that is a daily feature of much of the behaviour of the opposition front bench. She was calling it – something she should have done a long time ago.
The same operates on this site. –
Are you going to call it Judith?
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 12:42 pm
A dog whistle enthusiast and a complete plonker probably.
Infidel Tiger
14 Oct 12 at 12:43 pm
Why wasn’t Gillard’s attack on Abbott calling him a misogynist declared to be “unparliamentary” and a demand made that it be withdrawn?
Viva
14 Oct 12 at 12:43 pm
Maybe someone who is trying to distract people from the appalling record of Julia Gillard
NoFixedAddress
14 Oct 12 at 12:45 pm
Homophobe.
C.L.
14 Oct 12 at 12:45 pm
In fact GRP, tell me one good thing that Julia Gillard has done for Australia, ever.
NoFixedAddress
14 Oct 12 at 12:47 pm
But did she call him a misogynist? I can’t find any record of it in Hansard.
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 12:51 pm
I knew a guy once, so obsessed with dog whistles that he used to carry a Swiss Army Knife on the same keychain to remind himself that he was a Complete Tool.
He abandoned all hope of getting a real job and became a Member of Parliament.
The Old and Unimproved Dave
14 Oct 12 at 12:53 pm
And yet the opposite is self-evident. All people are equally human of course but none of us have equal abilities and talents.
Chris M
14 Oct 12 at 12:54 pm
@John Mc
Once we used to ride on the back of sheep. Metaphorically speaking to you animal liberationists
Now we are dictatorially led by the sheep and their sycophants.
Go Sheep
NoFixedAddress
14 Oct 12 at 12:54 pm
She’s ensured the ALP will spend a decade or two wandering through the desert smelling its own farts.
Infidel Tiger
14 Oct 12 at 12:54 pm
I had a scream indeed.
Nice juxtaposition.
Martin Luther King was advocating on behalf of African-Americans and wanting a REAL injustice righted.
Julia Gillard was advocating for … well herself really.
Note how many references to the vertical pronoun …. I was offended …. I was outraged …. I kwas hurt
Leigh Lowe
14 Oct 12 at 12:55 pm
Ms Gillard in parliament said Tony Abbott had a long history of misogyny.
candy
14 Oct 12 at 12:57 pm
And besides.
There is an article in the finest newspaper in the land from an eminent person who has the definitive comment!
NoFixedAddress
14 Oct 12 at 1:00 pm
The Prime Minister’s speech, full of sound and fury, appealed because of it’s rousing emotionalism, it’s apparent symbolic import although without real substance in relation to its target. As an expression of ideological rancour, it was divorced from any measured sense of proportion.
The speech came from a dark place in Julia Gillard’s psyche, her wounded ego lashing out at the perceived source of her suffering:
“Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become as sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal.”
Viva
14 Oct 12 at 1:01 pm
That she did, Candy. I did another search but this time in the plural form and yes, it is there in Hansard.
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 1:02 pm
This is bullshit. There is NO evidance of any ‘barely latent sexism’ in the behaviour of the oppostion front bench. Your claim is based on pure fabrication.
As is the claim that:
Just bullshit!
johno
14 Oct 12 at 1:02 pm
“In fact GRP, tell me one good thing that Julia Gillard has done for Australia, ever.”
Thats easy….NFA… she stopped that ‘misogynistic’ prick of an Abbortt-ion from increasing the size and cost of Govt.(which is what Liberals do)…. and defeated Abbortt thus stopping the Mad Monk from being PM and embarrassing Australia and Australians.
http://www.marketeconomics.com.au/2115-the-size-of-government-in-australia
LOVO
14 Oct 12 at 1:05 pm
That might be the worst column ever published in a newspaper.
Infidel Tiger
14 Oct 12 at 1:05 pm
LOVO
We all know that Tony Abbott will be another big government conservative, just like John Howard and every other Liberal PM. We don’t need a link to an article by a dipstick like Stephen Koukoulas to tell us that.
Ohh. And Abbott doesn’t hate women. That’s just Labor bullshit.
The biggest embarrassment to this Australian at the moment is having such a deceitful, dishonest and incompetent PM. She has to go.
johno
14 Oct 12 at 1:22 pm
@LOVO
dd warned me about ‘folk’ like you…..
I won’t slur my written word like you have, but I will ask again.
Apart from helping herself, name me one good thing that Julia Gillard has done for the people of Australia, EVER.
NoFixedAddress
14 Oct 12 at 1:24 pm
(Terry Sweetman).
Examples of all of the above are evident on this site – the putrid few?
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 1:28 pm
Gab,
Reading that “speech” in Hansard, just makes it seem worse somehow.
Keith
14 Oct 12 at 1:32 pm
I’m sick of these whiny Labor women screaming sexism and mysogynists
None of them speak for me
val majkus
14 Oct 12 at 1:34 pm
Fuck off agent orange, no one is holding you here against your will.
Splatacrobat
14 Oct 12 at 1:39 pm
..about Abbott and Credlin.
Gillard, the leader of the “putrid few”.
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 1:41 pm
NoFixedAddress wrote:
I could name several good principles that she has managed to enshrine in legislation, but I couldn’t name one of which she hasn’t somehow botched the implementation. How much of that is her fault is open to debate.
But there’s no point, because (i) I’m not a Labor shill, and (ii) the principles to which I refer are not recognized by most contributors to this blog; e.g., I believe in the existence of externalities and economic rent, for which present company will instantly brand me a Labor shill!
Gavin R Putland
14 Oct 12 at 1:57 pm
Terry Sweetman is a Labor tool. No doubt his daughter Kim won her job at his paper the Courier Mail on merit?
Steve of Ferny Hills
14 Oct 12 at 1:58 pm
Well said, Gab.
dover_beach
14 Oct 12 at 2:10 pm
@GRP 1.47pm
But you did not because you cannot.
Take me to court but I will ask it again, tell me one good thing Julia Gillard has done for Australia.
Are you ‘gammy’?
And what she has put her name to as legislation I trust will be expunged from the laws of Australia.
Some people might say she has a complete disregard for the laws of Australia.
But what do I know.
NoFixedAddress
14 Oct 12 at 2:43 pm
Ripping off abandoned wives and children?
Steve of Ferny Hills
14 Oct 12 at 2:48 pm
Every piece of school infrastructure in the country built under BER is now accessible to kids in wheelchairs.
That’s kind of important if you’re a student with a disability, especially in the Queensland bush, where most schools were built in the fifties and sixties when the very basic right of actually being able to physically access school was not an architectural consideration.
Funny how the Oz completely overlooked this in their relentless campaign…
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 3:08 pm
NoFixedAddress wrote:
Two may be inferred from my reference to “externalities and economic rent”:
(i) Establishing the “polluter pays” principle through the misnamed carbon tax. Pity it wasn’t just a simple tax (Tony Abbott got that right!) instead of a hideously complex hybrid of Pigou and Coase. Pity it didn’t replace all existing fuel excises.
(ii) Extending the public capture of economic rent. Pity that the MRRT revenue wasn’t handed back to the States in lieu of of the more damaging royalties. Pity that a broader super-normal profit tax, by itself or as part of a package, didn’t replace the more damaging corporate income tax.
But, as I’ve already implied, I don’t expect “externalities and economic rent” to be recognized here.
Gavin R Putland
14 Oct 12 at 3:19 pm
Every piece of school infrastructure in the country built under BER is now accessible to kids in wheelchairs.
That’s an awful lot of money for a small number of students. I’d bet you could take 10% of the BER waste, divide it up amongst wheelchair bound students to spend on their education at will, and they’d have superior education outcomes than they currently get.
You could then use the rest of the money to carefully spend it on infrastructure that was based on student needs and not economic ‘stimulus’.
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 3:24 pm
Odd. Given that schools have had to allow for wheelchair access since 2001.
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 3:34 pm
I trust a top down allocation based upon a narrow scope that was the best use of the money for all schools, and if asked the schools would have agreed. ;sarc off;
Friends of mine that are teachers in the public system would’ve preferred more texts for students instead of a 2nd hall.
Token
14 Oct 12 at 3:45 pm
Gav, the polluter doesn’t pay. Fullstop.
Tiny Dancer
14 Oct 12 at 3:46 pm
“Schools have had to allow for wheelchair access since 2001″ – only if built since 2001.
“a small number of students”
So it’s OK if this “small number” can’t access their school?
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 4:04 pm
no, that’s not true.
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 4:10 pm
So it’s OK if this “small number” can’t access their school?
There are still kids with disabilities that prevent them accessing every public school. How much do you think we should spend so every potential special needs student can access any school in their area?
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 4:26 pm
The unstated premise being that demand for the polluter’s products is perfectly price-inelastic. Unless you are suggesting that any part of the tax borne by the polluter is a deduction from the price of carbon at the source, and that the recipient of that price should not be counted as a polluter.
Gavin R Putland
14 Oct 12 at 4:33 pm
dd warned me against this….
@173numbers
You drop dead fuck head.
Do you know what country towns got out of the same thing when the labor’s other greatest fuckhead leader destroyed the economy?
Don’t you understand you fucking numbed shithead that people in the country towns of Australia, not just Queensland, have always looked after the disadvantaged.
No you don’t you fucking pathetic arsehole….
I used to go to cities just to here what arseholes like you say.
No one can help a mental cripple like you….
And sue me
NoFixedAddress
14 Oct 12 at 4:40 pm
@173numvers
So Julia Gillard built access ramps for people in wheelchairs.
Maybe she will get a UN prize.
Maybe a Nobble Prize.
Suck up numbers
Tell me one good thing she has done for Australia
NoFixedAddress
14 Oct 12 at 4:43 pm
A Nobel in the very least, NFA. Surely the committee would have noticed all those compulsory signs at all schools announcing Gillard’s “generosity”.
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 4:49 pm
The polluter is compensated
Tiny Dancer
14 Oct 12 at 4:51 pm
Last time GRP
I actually believe that there is no place for a Commonwealth Government.
I think the States should take back the income tax mandate.
Why shouldn’t the Northern part of Australia create their own unique alliances.
I have argued that Eastern Australia should be set adrift.
Let it fend for itself.
NoFixedAddress
14 Oct 12 at 4:53 pm
The Pacific Highway is still a goat track but some town in outer Blackfellasville has a shed with a wheelchair ramp. Now all the town needs is some cripples.
Infidel Tiger
14 Oct 12 at 4:59 pm
If it’s any consolation I was stuck in a thread of doom with SfB last week.
But on the BER, the worst part of it was that they forced the schools to build things like new school halls, because that’s what politicians like to turn up and have a big opening ceremony for. The schools of Australia are still littered with demountables and crumbling toilet blocks. The BER was a disastrous failure.
dd
14 Oct 12 at 5:00 pm
But it’s for the kiddies! How can you quibble about the money when it’s for the kiddies?! /sarc off
Cato the Elder
14 Oct 12 at 5:21 pm
Who let the dogs out?
And what (besides blind ignorance) do you base this rant on?
I’ve been working in bush schools since 1972, and haven’t noticed any discernable difference between attitudes to the “disadvataged” as you call them, from urban to rural and remote locations. A more relevant factor in the bush is whether the person is part of a local family, or has moved in from elsewhere.
To quote Jo Biden – total malarkey.
In Queensland (where I have greatest familiarity) schools had total control over how the money was spent.
In the 45 schools in which I work (in SW Qld) they’ve put up libraries, additional accessible classrooms, admin blocks, assembly halls and indoor gyms. Prior to this, in the western schools, where temperatures often exceed 40 degrees in summer there was no comfortable place in which the whole school could gather. Schools can now hold assemblies in comfort on a weekly basis on campus. As an ex-principal, I can assure you that this is a vital function in any school community.
Comminuty groups now have somewhere to meet. Many schools have made a motsa out of renting these facilities to community groups for meetings functions.
In many centres, this was the first money spend on public school infrastructure in decades.
What really pisses conservatives is that state schools now have buildings that rival those in what are (incorrectly) called private schools.
They’re actually “subsidised” schools, but don’t like to be called that because it doesn’t sound exclusive.
BTW, even in 2012, many of these subsidised schools refuse to enrol kids with disabilities, even when their parents can afford the fees.
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 5:29 pm
So, a couple of (truth be known) Labor admirers want to gate crash this all-too-open blog. The Battle Of Putland reveals that he likes the pricing of carbon and taxing the mining industry which is already taxed twofold – by state royalties and by federal company tax.
Then Numbers shows up and carries on just as he does all over the place, like SfB in that his own blog is mentally stifling rubbish. Give it up boys. you’re just beclowning yourselves. But I guess that’s what you do for lack of more productive ideas.
blogstrop
14 Oct 12 at 5:38 pm
Numbers
I agree with a lot of what you say about disability issues.
Julian O'Dea
14 Oct 12 at 5:45 pm
DD
I worked on a new BER classroom at an outback school that already had 4 classrooms and 18 computers.
Not bad for a school with 12 students.
The principal (a rather outback women ) said to me ” I would have settled for a couple of fucken water tanks , that’s what we need “.
jumpnmcar
14 Oct 12 at 5:53 pm
Numbers
Our local primary school in WA also had total control over the new buildings it got as part of the BER.
sdfc
14 Oct 12 at 5:58 pm
Building empty libraries, buildings that couldn’t get a certificate of occupancy the first time, and buildings that failed fire regulations. And now a few that have actually had partial collapse, and ALL (with the exception of where private schools did the project management) costing upwards of three times the price, with well know instances of rorting and corruption. Numbers calls this successful.
Keith
14 Oct 12 at 5:58 pm
@ jumpnmcar
If true (and few principals of my acquaintance, outback or otherwise, would use that language in front of a contractor), it doesn’t gel with opinions of scores of principals, parents, kids and teachers that I work with on a weekly basis.
And I haven’t met one parent of a kid in a wheelchair who isn’t rapt with the improvements in access.
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 5:58 pm
Well numbers, I’m rapped with the handouts I get for my special needs son. Doesn’t make it right, though.
And the fact your bureaucratic mates think it was all a good idea isn’t worth a pinch of shit. If you don’t know the enormous number of parents who are looking on with astonishment at the misguided spending, then you are so far out of touch it’s ridiculous.
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 6:07 pm
John Mc
I have a special needs son too.
What do you mean by “misguided spending”?
Julian O'Dea
14 Oct 12 at 6:17 pm
NFA,
Thanks for keeping the spudpeeler feeling unwelcome.
We’re cursed with about four or five utterly obnoxious trolls, but he is the worst – even more repulsive than the semenblogger and that’s saying something.
He is a vile, stupid, narcissistic, syphlitic, parasitic failure.
He has nothing better to do than infuriate people who quite frankly, are a trillion times better than him – which he does courtesy of our taxes.
If you’re wondering what sort of fuckwit would vote for and support this abortion of a gubberment, think the spudpeeler.
Rabz
14 Oct 12 at 6:20 pm
Why is the right so fragile when it comes to dealing with opposing opinions?
sdfc
14 Oct 12 at 6:23 pm
The spudpeeler is so staggeringly stupid that he can’t even brainwash mainstream schoolkiddies – he’s been consigned to attempting to brainwash kiddies with an intellectual disability.
He is a truly disgusting human being and I use that descriptor begrudgingly.
Rabz
14 Oct 12 at 6:26 pm
1735099
It’s true alright, she was one of the very few teachers that wasn’t a gimee gimee, sanctimonious, condescending lefty sponge that I’ve ever met. She gave a shit about practable thing to aid her students.
The classroom I mentioned ( to DD BTW ) didn’t have wheelchair access.
jumpnmcar
14 Oct 12 at 6:28 pm
That’s ridiculous.
sdfc
14 Oct 12 at 6:28 pm
It’s not that anyone here is fragile, SDFC. After all beatahood and the left are sort of the same thing.
It’s just that no one here really gives a flying shit what a leftist thinks about pretty much anything as we’ve heard it all before and its basically worthless.
Take a few of examples. Fat Boy (monst) and the househusband. When over the years have they ever given a worthwhile opinion on anything. I can’t recall.
All leftist opinions are basically mendacious and worthless.
Most of us here are trying to shoo these idiots away.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 6:29 pm
To clarify, the above was directed at Rabz.
sdfc
14 Oct 12 at 6:29 pm
No problem. To clarify, my comment was directed to you.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 6:30 pm
Yeah right JC an anonymous commenter abusing others on a blog is somehow alpha. Funny as shit.
sdfc
14 Oct 12 at 6:31 pm
Why are you such a supercilious arsehole?
And that’s directed at sdfc.
Rabz
14 Oct 12 at 6:31 pm
I think you hit the nail on the head Judith.
MLK was appealing to the irrational belief that a black man was somehow less worthwhile than an equivalent white man.
Julia Gillard was highlighting a similar sentiment of Tony Abbott’s view of a woman’s “physiology and temperament”
If you cannot see this then I can only assume it comes down to your own temperament or physiology.
I see JC hasn’t weighed in here yet. Is that because he (along with many others here) believe that not all men were born anthropologically equal as he has stated at an earlier time.
Rex
14 Oct 12 at 6:32 pm
Yes, leftism and the morons who adhere it invariably are.
Rabz
14 Oct 12 at 6:32 pm
I’m not anonymous though SDFC. Lots of people here know my identity unlike you. And I will choose to maintain my moniker. Not you, Fatty Von Roxon, Benito Conroy or any other human dregs.
I will choose.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 6:33 pm
Are yoiu calling me super-silly Rabz? I’m hurt.
sdfc
14 Oct 12 at 6:34 pm
FFS, he’s almost as staggeringly stupid as the spudpeeler.
Rabz
14 Oct 12 at 6:35 pm
That’s you, rexington, BTW.
Rabz
14 Oct 12 at 6:35 pm
I don’t care who you are, ya pansy.
sdfc
14 Oct 12 at 6:36 pm
No need to be – we all have rhino hides.
Rabz
14 Oct 12 at 6:36 pm
Of course all men weren’t born anthropologically equal Rexinald. If we were our species would never have been so successful and we’d be a lot more boring too.
You fucking leftist luddites only believe in little bits of evolution.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 6:37 pm
Why is the right so fragile when it comes to dealing with opposing opinions?
The right are often rationalist type people. So when they see something that rationally will hurt people, they believe there is no limit to the amount of ridicule that supporters of that idea should be exposed to. Good feelings and idealism mean nothing to us if the idea doesn’t work!!
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 6:38 pm
Lol. I am because I choose not to reveal my identity to you, SDFC?
You’re such an imbecile.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 6:39 pm
@jumpnmcar
That classroom would not have been built with BER money. Universal access was part of the funding criteria.
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 6:39 pm
Aha, JC you beat me by 1 minute in my post then….
So do you believe that men and women are both suitable for high office? It can be very demanding to combine the highest position in the country and also child rearing. What are our thoughts on that?
Rex
14 Oct 12 at 6:43 pm
What do you mean by “misguided spending”?
The BER was put up as ‘stimulus’ spending. This was often used by left-wing supporters as a justification for it’s shortfalls i.e. that it was not an education program but rather a stimulus program hence the expediency to roll it out meant it wouldn’t be done perfectly.
This resulted in numerous inefficiencies in the spending of taxpayer’s money e.g.:
- schools receiving buildings disproportionate to their student levels like jumpnmcar’s example above
- the requirements for the buildings not being properly evaluated such as the school in Victorial with the canteen that was wanted but ended up being too small for the number of students, or the school near Wayne Swans electorate that had a popular tennis court covered by a new school hall
- the cost per square metre of building being often 2 to 3 times the cost of an equivalent non-BER commercial construction.
Considering that the ‘stimulus’ did nothing but leave us with debt, the BER was misguided at best.
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 6:45 pm
that’s ‘in’ Swans electorate, near his offices.
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 6:47 pm
Are you going to claim to be Gillard’s long lost child? What’s your interest in this anyway?
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 6:48 pm
1735099
It was a pre-fab on gal stumps with 3 steps and no ramp paid for with BER money.
I tell you the truth.
If you insinuate that I’m a liar again, no more correspondence will be entered into.
I’m not here to play those games.
jumpnmcar
14 Oct 12 at 6:50 pm
Is that because he (along with many others here) believe that not all men were born anthropologically equal as he has stated at an earlier time.
Rex, I’m not sure if JC is your man to take this one up. Perhaps you should seek out Chris M who earlier said “And yet the opposite is self-evident. All people are equally human of course but none of us have equal abilities and talents.”
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 6:50 pm
An extract from the national primary principals’ association survey into principals satisfaction with the scheme.
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 6:57 pm
@jumpnmcar
If that’s the case, not only does your outback women (sic) have a foul mouth – she can’t read.
And the auditors have been asleep.
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 7:00 pm
The survey revealed that the overwhelming majority of schools (97%) across all sectors reported that their students would benefit from the BER Primary Schools for the 21st Century (P21) program.
Have you lived under a rock for the last 40 years? What principal can be seen to not ask for money for their school? The public knows this is pretty much part of their duty statement, and no principal can ever take a stance on the basis of a moral point. It is the job of a public school principle to say the government giving them extra money is just wonderful as well being absolutely essential.
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 7:01 pm
I think we’re close to breaking the record for the number of frightened, confused trolls who are assembling here to try to escape the bushfire that’s closing in on their meal ticket/misappropriation of public funds/glorious revolution.
Take Gavin “I’m not a Labor shill” Putland: “Ever since Gillard became PM, the Opposition had been blowing dog whistles to the Boys’ Club … and the results will be seen in the next opinion polls.”
To say that you’re a vat of rancid bias is probably understating it. Make sure you pop back in on Tuesday week for the next Newspoll, which will confirm that your favourite female idiot political leader is well on the way to destroying the Australian Labor Party primary vote.
Oh, and I notice you fell for the one about how carbon dioxide is a pollutant. No, not a Labor shill at all. When are you moving to Cuba to enjoy their exciting ideological settings and their go-ahead economy?
Tom
14 Oct 12 at 7:04 pm
I can’t quite see how that impacts women, Rexinald. Lets take the fact that the Lying Slapper and intellectual lightweight, Tanya Plibersek are both childless. Now these two are fucking morons and would have been fucking morons even if they had kids and later went into politics. Maggie had kids and it didn’t impair her.
It all depends on ability, Rexinald. Not plumbing or joining Emily List.
My observation and it’s only an observation is that left wing females tend to be useless in the political scene primarily because they were chosen by quota. Right wing women seem to have it more together and more capable.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 7:05 pm
Rubbish – I was in the job (what you call a “public” school principal for 18 years, and there were quite a few times when I rocked the boat. I now very few principals who lack integrity when it comes to best results for the kids in their schools. They don’t last long if they don’t stand up for their communities.
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 7:07 pm
Thanks, John Mc.
I don’t know much about the details, but if some of the money went to special needs, such as wheelchair access, I can’t see that as a negative.
Julian O'Dea
14 Oct 12 at 7:07 pm
Your an ex-soldier and never said ” fucken “?
Why do you say that?
There were auditors ?
Did they leave their offices ?
jumpnmcar
14 Oct 12 at 7:07 pm
In fact Rexinald, I applaud Plibersek and the Lying slapper not having kids. They actually did something right for humanity in not passing their genes to future generations. It’s perhaps the only good thing these two nutballs have ever done.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 7:08 pm
Kate Carnell and Vicki Dunne have been quite good politicians here in the ACT. Both Liberals. Mrs Dunne has several children.
But most Labor women are pretty crap.
Julian O'Dea
14 Oct 12 at 7:12 pm
I now very few principals who lack integrity when it comes to best results for the kids in their schools. They don’t last long if they don’t stand up for their communities.
So they all supported the BER and your 97% statistic is hardly surprising or revealing of anything, like I just said in my post above. I’m glad we agree.
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 7:13 pm
but if some of the money went to special needs, such as wheelchair access, I can’t see that as a negative.
So long as it passed a cost/benefit analysis I’d agree.
Never saw that analysis made public. Doubt it was done. Don’t think the BER would have passed.
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 7:15 pm
Not capable of winning high office though. Other than the Iron lady who else could you name from a right wing to hold the highest office of any country?
Rex
14 Oct 12 at 7:15 pm
Other than Gillard, who can you tout from Teh Left?
The ladies are up and coming this century. And what’s the bet you’ll see a lot more of them from the right?
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 7:19 pm
Well, there is a lady by the name of Angela Merkel that has been in the news lately. She’s the Chancellor of that fledgling European nation called Germany.
dover_beach
14 Oct 12 at 7:20 pm
Well, how about Tansu Ciller, first female PM of Turkey.
blogstrop
14 Oct 12 at 7:21 pm
…the ability to spell. Seems you were as useless at being a principal as you are a troll.
jupes
14 Oct 12 at 7:23 pm
@John Mc
Would you consider a cost benefit analysis on the worth of an individual, especially a person with a disability?
Or would you agree that everyone has the right to go to school, even if their impairment meant that they would never be able to work or earn?
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 7:23 pm
I thought I’d let that one slide, jupes.
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 7:24 pm
Or would you agree that everyone has the right to go to school, even if their impairment meant that they would never be able to work or earn?
Absolutely, it just doesn’t change the responsibility of government to spend money as wisely as possible in achieving this goal.
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 7:28 pm
Even in purely cost-benefit terms, the more education the disabled receive, the less they will likely cost the community. For example, I know a chap in a wheelchair who has earned money from journalism. He has spina bifida.
Julian O'Dea
14 Oct 12 at 7:32 pm
@jumpnmar
“your (sic) an ex-soldier and you never said ‘fucken’”
Never when I was at work.
“Why do you say that?”
Because she would have received a comprehensive set of written guidelines to access the grants.
“Did they leave their offices?”
They did in Queensland. Every project had to be physically audited by people from Facilities Services.
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 7:32 pm
Merkel, you fucking idiot, Rex. She’s perhaps the most formidable influential leader in the world at the moment.
Compare Merkel to the Lying Slapper and try not to laugh. Merkel doesn’t need to play the plumbing card because everyone treats her with the respect she deserves.
Now fuck off, Rex. Stop wasting my time with your crap, you worthless twat.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 7:36 pm
Oh, DB has already mentioned Merkel.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 7:37 pm
@Julian O’Dea
Important principle, but unfortunately it doesn’t compute with many of the so-called “rationalists” who post here.
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 7:38 pm
Even in purely cost-benefit terms, the more education the disabled receive, the less they will likely cost the community. For example, I know a chap in a wheelchair who has earned money from journalism. He has spina bifida.
Plenty of disabled people have earning potential and some even do quite well. No argument there.
However, firstly, that’s probably not true of disabled people or anyone else. There is probably an upper limit to public benefit from putting public money into education.
Secondly, that’s not really my point. Even if there is benefit to be had, there are still efficient and inefficient ways of obtaining it. The BER was an inefficient way of obtaining benefit for both disabled people and everyone else. And where there was no benefit eg. paying twice commercial rates for a building, it was just waste.
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 7:42 pm
Ok, look, everyone is avoiding ( intentionally ?) the issue that every man knows.
Menstruation and menopause have a detrimental effect on a persons rationality and emotional state that detracts from their ability to reliably make rational decisions.
Right, I’ve said it and will now shut the apple and view any fallout 2morrow.
jumpnmcar
14 Oct 12 at 7:44 pm
Important principle, but unfortunately it doesn’t compute with many of the so-called “rationalists” who post here.
How do you think taxpayer’s money should be spent? Do you believe things like cost/benefit analysis are unnecessary? If it feels good then just do it, or the government should just do whatever it needs to get re-elected?
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 7:45 pm
Has he gone?
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 7:46 pm
Plibersek has indeed reproduced, JC
Imagine the offspring: a cross between a lying ALP fungus, and a convicted drug dealer (google “plibersek husband”). They’ll want for nothing with two fat government salaries and super packages.
derFRED
14 Oct 12 at 7:50 pm
@John Mc
“It was just a waste”
No.
Apart from the obvious benefits above, it injected a timely and much needed stimulus all over the country, and helped us through the greatest financial crisis (precipitated by unregulated greed and corruption on Wall Street) since the Great Depression.
Thank Christ the coalition weren’t in power….
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 7:52 pm
also childless.
It can be very demanding to combine the highest position in the country and also child rearing. What are your thoughts on that?
I take it you would agree with the Mad Monk?
Rex
14 Oct 12 at 7:53 pm
Oh, that’s quite unfortunate, derFred.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 7:53 pm
What is the purpose of your visit here? Apart from boring people to death.
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 7:54 pm
Keep preachin’ the gospel, Numbers. The public ain’t with you, and the commies won’t survive the next election, but you keep the faith.
I’m not even going to try and engage you on economics. If you wanted to understand why the stimulus was gumph you can pick up any number of the other threads on this site by Steve Kates or Sinclair Davidson.
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 7:56 pm
also childless.
And probably a Nazi. She is German?
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 7:57 pm
I’ll give you my honest thoughts. I saw a lot of women on Wall street who had kids and held down very high paying jobs. The kids were with the nanny as their husbands also worked for the most part.
They were 100% miserable and only in the job because of the money. They all wanted to be with their kids at home.
So it’s a challenge for them only because physiologically women for the most part want to be with their kids.
Don’t know what he said, you twat.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 7:58 pm
@John Mc
I believe that economic considerations are important, but not at the exclusion of social justice. As someone smart said – “Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted”.
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 8:01 pm
@John Mc
If I wanted to study ecomomics, this site would be the last place I’d look….
1735099
14 Oct 12 at 8:05 pm
“Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted”.
That doesn’t mean shit. It’s nice that you want to feel good about things, but being a good government is more scientific than that. If you want to push the social justice line then you need to start by outlining how ‘social justice’ differs from ‘justice’, and why ‘social justice’ should override ‘justice’ when there’s a conflict between them.
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 8:06 pm
How would you know if you haven’t studied it then, numbers you fucking clown?
JC
14 Oct 12 at 8:06 pm
If I wanted to study ecomomics, this site would be the last place I’d look….
You strike me as more of a 70′s liberal arts person.
John Mc
14 Oct 12 at 8:07 pm
Tony said he thought men were, “by physiology or temperament more adapted to exercise authority or issue command”
Don’t claim your faux ignorance on these things Guiseppe
Rex
14 Oct 12 at 8:08 pm
I understand 1735099 is a Vietnam veteran so one feels great admiration and compassion for his suffering endured, but when he goes on about “mad Monk” it seems a denigration of Christianity and Mr Abbott, but one doesn’t want to actually say that, unless it hurts 1735099′s feelings. It’s a dilemma.
candy
14 Oct 12 at 8:10 pm
Apart from spreading lies, what is the purpose of your visit here?
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 8:10 pm
oh you know, just for a bit of a natter
Rex
14 Oct 12 at 8:12 pm
You are a weapons grade moron. How can you transfer the wealth from the productive to the non productive if you disregard the economy?
jupes
14 Oct 12 at 8:13 pm
In terms of big population numbers that’s shown to be the case over human history.
I dunno why you think that’s a big deal.
I asked what he said as I had no idea what you were talking about, you fucking idiot.
It’s why I asked, “what did he say”.
I hope you’re not Steve Mun, Mel. In fact the moderator needs to check out your IP and compare as he was banned here a long time ago.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 8:14 pm
Oh my God Rex is a complete moron who doesn’t know about the most powerful woman in the world, Angela Merkel. Hey Rex, ever heard of Jenny Shipley, the first ever female Prime Minister of New Zealand, AND a solid right-winger with two kids, you ridiculous clown?
Fisky
14 Oct 12 at 8:14 pm
You think a “natter” means spreading lies and making homphobic comments? Why, you must be a leftoid then.
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 8:14 pm
Maybe so, JC, however Abbott never made the claim. Rex in lying. yes, I know, what’s news about that.
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 8:16 pm
Fisk
I think it’s Catholic Mel.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 8:19 pm
I think we can all see why Australian families are desperate to get their kids out of government schools.
Infidel Tiger
14 Oct 12 at 8:20 pm
So let’s get this straight. Rex doesn’t know that the two most powerful female heads of government in the history of the world were right-wingers. Also he doesn’t know where New Zealand is. What a clown hey?
Fisky
14 Oct 12 at 8:21 pm
you are a right proper cheerleader Gab, I reckon you shake a mean pom pom
Rex
14 Oct 12 at 8:22 pm
The other fallback position of leftoids is their sexist remarks.
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 8:24 pm
You can hardly claim Shipley, popularly elected only please.
Rex
14 Oct 12 at 8:35 pm
Wow, is that a threat JC?
and what would you base that ‘threat of report’ on?
Rex
14 Oct 12 at 8:36 pm
How do you construe that as a threat, Rex. I think your Mel and he’s lifetime banned here. No one really wants to filthy low rent creature hanging around.
Moderator, please check Rex’s IP.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 8:39 pm
Thank you, Troll No. 493. You’ve just confirmed you’re here on a quick hit-and-run visit with the expectation that you’ll be quickly liquidated.
And the chances you are one of the recently departed (who I can’t mention, because it triggers the filter) are 100-1 on.
Sinc and Jacques, we really do need to start checking IP addresses. These zombie shitheads are now just gaming the Cat’s freedoms, which don’t exist where they come from.
How many more weeks will their government privileges last? It’s all about to end.
Tom
14 Oct 12 at 8:42 pm
No, sorry, Rex, you never made that qualification before. You only stipulated holding “high office”, not winning an election, having kids, or whatever subsequent qualifications you have introduced in a futile effort to deny that the most influential female leaders in history were right-wingers. But I am happy to concede that Labor didn’t have any real female leaders until Anna Bligh’s dishonest election in 2009.
Fisky
14 Oct 12 at 8:43 pm
So what?
C.L.
14 Oct 12 at 8:43 pm
In that case your side can’t claim the Redheaded Usurper. She’s never been popularly elected.
Infidel Tiger
14 Oct 12 at 8:46 pm
Is Rex trying to deny that Carmen Lawrence, Joan Kirner and that American woman in NSW were real Premiers? What a weirdo, hey?
Fisky
14 Oct 12 at 8:46 pm
Check away knackerbags
If you see me here tomorrow, you can take I am not this Mel bloke
Rex
14 Oct 12 at 8:47 pm
Joan Kirner was great value. She was absolutely fucking useless.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 8:47 pm
Can I make a request?
I take it we right-wingers here on Catallaxy, when we accuse lefties of being homphobic, sexist or racist are really attacking them for being hypocrites, because most of what they’d call sexist, homophobic or racist we would find just part of normal speech.
Just checking.
If rightists here are using these weasel terms seriously, they need to take a break, calm down and tell themselves not to adopt the loser-speech of the left. Only beta people talk about sexism, etc.
Rococo Liberal
14 Oct 12 at 8:48 pm
Has there been a liberal female premier yet? just asking?
Sorry I was asking for more than 2 female right wing leaders as JC was claiming they were so much more capable. Not capable of getting elected though it seems.
Rex
14 Oct 12 at 8:50 pm
Getting back to the topic, it’s amazing how scripted these clowns are nowadays. Obviously, the leader of the government – John McTernan – ordered everyone to go out today and drop Gillard’s disastrously failed whiney war on men. The use of the word “truce” by Penny Ahmadinejad was especially disingenuous. A truce is a concord between parties who both call off their hounds, having acknowledged their own respective culpabilities. So by calling it a “truce” McTernan hoped to engineer the illusion that the government is a) not preponderantly at fault; and b) being a reasonable peacemaker. Both are lies.
This is not a truce. This is a humiliating surrender – ordered by the backroom men who control Gillard.
Abbott has won.
Moving forward, what is needed now is an apology from the unmarried, childless Julia Gillard for slandering a loving son, husband and father of three girls needlessly, maliciously and mendaciously. Her Slipper hypocrisy debacle will enter the annals as the biggest self-beclowning since Bozo first donned the red nose.
C.L.
14 Oct 12 at 8:54 pm
No no, the two most powerful female leaders in history were not only female, but elected. Hardly any female Labor Premiers have ever won a poll and so presumably are illegitimate, according to Rex. Whoops.
Fisky
14 Oct 12 at 8:55 pm
Labor women: the best and the brightest…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VJVw32EkIM
C.L.
14 Oct 12 at 8:56 pm
Gillard won’t apologise. She’s shameless hussy and her dear old Dad knew it as he slipped this mortal coil.
Infidel Tiger
14 Oct 12 at 8:56 pm
How the hell that stage didn’t collapse is one of the miracles of modern engineering. Have a look at those appalling porkers.
C.L.
14 Oct 12 at 8:57 pm
Sorry, that should read “not only right-wingers but elected”.
Fisky
14 Oct 12 at 8:57 pm
There have been as many female Liberal premiers as there have been competent female Labor premiers.
jupes
14 Oct 12 at 8:59 pm
I wonder which party the first woman Senator and Minister were from. Does anyone know?
Fisky
14 Oct 12 at 9:00 pm
I’ve asked this question before, as I’m curious. Who is the warthog on our right to the left of the Lying slapper.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 9:02 pm
Definitely Ms Gillard should apologise to Mrs Abbott and her daughters.
candy
14 Oct 12 at 9:03 pm
Huh? Why would that prove you are media studies Mel, you dunce?
JC
14 Oct 12 at 9:04 pm
Liberal.
I wonder which party had the first Aboriginal elected to Parliament?
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 9:07 pm
Putland:
Exactly wrong. Most here are libertarians and fairly rational – the pointed out poor public policy in the Howard years and continue today in a much more target-rich environment.
Your words above echo your own thought processes.
Some accused of being ‘right wing’ like myself are also swinging voters. I voted for Hawke on the basis of his micro-economic reform package. There was much to dislike about Howard’s domestic policies, but his economic and foreign policy was very good (his defence policy of flogging off the family silver sucked).
I can think of not one Gillard policy that is sound public policy. To be frank, they all suck, waste torrents of money, and undo the reforms of BOTH the Hawke and Howard governments.
You’ll also notice after a while here that people understand their own biases and those of others.
You walk in off the street and pontificate in generalisations like a pompous buffoon here at your peril.
Oh, and I am not a ‘right winger’, I am an Imperialist, thank you very much. So’s Gillard, so I’m cool with her on that score, although I understand that she’s merely a legacy Imperialist.
Mk50 of Brisbane
14 Oct 12 at 9:11 pm
That would be Senator Neville Bonner (Lib – QLD) of course
Cato the Elder
14 Oct 12 at 9:11 pm
Aborigine Gab, aboriginal is an adjective.
SteveC
14 Oct 12 at 9:12 pm
Sharan Burrow ? (before the haircut)
Keith
14 Oct 12 at 9:16 pm
Ya got me, stevec. You can go do your little happy dance now.
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 9:17 pm
The first woman to be elected to the Senate was Labor representative Dorothy Tangney in 1943
SteveC
14 Oct 12 at 9:18 pm
She’s cuter even after the haircut.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 9:19 pm
How many Aboriginals object to being called Aboriginals, fuckhead? Have you ever met an Aboriginal? Or are you like the rest of the fucking fruitloop left and just have uses for them?
Tom
14 Oct 12 at 9:19 pm
Mk50,
If you disagree with Gillard, not only are you a right-winger, you are a misogynist right-winger. Get it right.
Keith
14 Oct 12 at 9:20 pm
If you say so.
Keith
14 Oct 12 at 9:22 pm
Cripes, CL, put up a vomit alert or heifer warning on crap like that. I’ve just had dinner.
Mk50 of Brisbane
14 Oct 12 at 9:24 pm
It is understandable that Gillard hates men.
Look at who she has thrown her lot in with ( personally and professionally)
……..
A thieving union spiv
Craig Emerson
Slippery Pete
…. and her latest squeeze is a failed hairdresser
Leigh Lowe
14 Oct 12 at 9:24 pm
How the hell that stage didn’t collapse is one of the miracles of modern engineering. Have a look at those appalling porkers.
I’ve asked this question before, as I’m curious. Who is the warthog on our right to the left of the Lying slapper
Not pointlessly referring to appearance again I see.
SteveC
14 Oct 12 at 9:34 pm
What sort of textbook are you reading your life out of, you moron? You’re the most anally retentive amoeba to have ever visited the Cat.
Tom
14 Oct 12 at 9:39 pm
Tiny Dancer wrote:
If it had enough political clout to get itself classified as a special case.
NoFixedAddress wrote:
I think there shouldn’t be an income tax. (So there’s an issue on which I’m further to the right than NFA. But that won’t acquit me of being a Labor shill.)
Speaking of which, blogstrop wrote:
Well, the triple taxation of mining is one reason why I’ve called for the abolition of company tax. (So there’s an issue on which I’m further to the right than Tony Abbott. But that won’t acquit me of being a Labor shill.) The MRRT is designed not to bite until the company earns an adequate profit. Company tax bites even if the profit is too low to justify the investment. Specific and ad-valorem royalties bite even if the company makes a loss. So, if you really wanted to rescue the mining industry from the tax man, repealing the MRRT would be the bottom priority, not the top.
Gavin R Putland
14 Oct 12 at 9:51 pm
The other thing the Liberals did was abolish the White Australia Policy.
Labor loved the WAP and went kicking and screaming into the future, livid to be robbed of its time-honoured hatred of non-whites.
Then you fast forward to the 2010s and find a ‘government’ presiding over a holocaust of non-whites at sea. You find a woman prime minister (never elected) planning to send asylum seekers to a country with a track record of selling girls into sex slavery. She attacks the High Court when its justices slap her down for this extremist infamy. The ALP: a piece of work.
C.L.
14 Oct 12 at 9:52 pm
Commiserations to Mk50 of Brisbane for having been treated as I am now being treated.
Gavin R Putland
14 Oct 12 at 9:54 pm
Don’t like it. Piss off.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 9:54 pm
So, after that brief discussion, can anyone tell me one thing that Julia Gillard has done to benefit Australia, at all.
NoFixedAddress
14 Oct 12 at 10:00 pm
Gavin, Gavin, Gavin.
I know your scthick. It’s variation of Hi Alan. There’s no chance in hell that the company tax is repealed.
The Mining Tax is conceptually wrong because there’s no such thing as rent in the ricardian economic sense. That bullshit was refuted almost as quickly as Ricardo came out with it.
I take issue with your summation of the royalty tax system. It worked. It may not be the best system around, but all the players were familiar with it and understood it well.
Repealing the appalling rent tax is at the top of my list.
JC
14 Oct 12 at 10:00 pm
She’s driven a lot of people over to the right side of politics, NFA.
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 10:02 pm
Heh. Defining rent out doesn’t eliminate it, just it’s consideration.
You can split stuff up any way you want. Rent is a valid category. It’s just an annualisation of what we treat as capital costs these days.
The MRRT was a good idea, but should never have been implemented federally, nor imposed on existing projects. As a state royalty system it offers a number of benefits over the existing structure, both for government and miners.
As a federal tax, it was/is an abomination. Not only did it throw a long established reputation for low sovereign risk out the window, it attempted to take state wealth for federal purposes. Theft on two levels.
DriftForge
14 Oct 12 at 10:09 pm
Destroy the federal ALP.
C.L.
14 Oct 12 at 10:10 pm
Made it easier to identify nut jobs on the internet
Rex
14 Oct 12 at 10:17 pm
Shrieky McDuckbum’s government is a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure.
There’s just no getting around that.
sdog
14 Oct 12 at 10:18 pm
Simon Benson in the Daily Telegraph tries desperately to play the pox on both their houses card.
No winners in debate’s descent into the gutter.
What the fuck does that mean?
I’ll tell you: nothing.
Completely invented bullshit.
Abbott kept his cool, waited patiently for the inevitable beclowning and unqualifiedly won.
The End.
C.L.
14 Oct 12 at 10:18 pm
C.L. – I wonder how Meatloaf (over on the right) got roped into that?
My God but they are ugly! As for the grubby lying tart herself, Comrade Dr Boyfriend (married with children) and the several Comrade Unionists who’ve had a crack must have been desperately drunk, legless!
You’d fair dinkum die of shame before admitting it.
Mick Gold Coast QLD
14 Oct 12 at 10:28 pm
‘can anyone tell me one thing that Julia Gillard has done to benefit Australia, at all.’
confirmed that electors vote for a PM for a term and faceless men/ms gillard should not overrule that.
candy
14 Oct 12 at 10:31 pm
Please,
I truly want to know,
What has Julia Gillard ever done to help the people of Australia?
Cannot anyone defend her and point out her achievements that have helped Australia?
NoFixedAddress
14 Oct 12 at 10:47 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J834KH43YgE
Gab
14 Oct 12 at 10:58 pm
Best and brightest heiffer on the left of Gizzard looks like Wendy Harmer.
kae
14 Oct 12 at 10:58 pm
I swear to you kae – it’s Meatloaf, or Jabba the Bloody Hutt.
The one over to her right playing the guitar, pretending to be female, is a long distance truckie from the TWU.
Mick Gold Coast QLD
14 Oct 12 at 11:20 pm
C.L. – I wonder how Meatloaf (over on the right) got roped into that?
My God but they are ugly!
I swear to you kae – it’s Meatloaf, or Jabba the Bloody Hutt.
The one over to her right playing the guitar, pretending to be female, is a long distance truckie from the TWU.
No derogatory reference to appearance there, either.
SteveC
14 Oct 12 at 11:34 pm
Oh yes, yes there was. Put your glasses on and you’ll have to agree they are all of that, sport!
Mick Gold Coast QLD
15 Oct 12 at 12:03 am
Was that Jennie George and Sharan Burrow dancing with the Lying Slapper? And Joan Kirner on guitar… The dregs of Emily’s List; not a successful politician amongst them.
Cold-Hands
15 Oct 12 at 12:43 am
It would appear that Lurch gave those ALP women dancing lessons.
Beautiful graceful moves and harmonious rhythm
Pedro the Ignorant
15 Oct 12 at 1:00 am
Fisky asked:
Dorothy Tagngey (Labor, W.A.) was the first female senator, she entered Parliament at the same time as the first female MHR Enid Lyons (UAP/Lib Tas). Enid Lyons was the first woman appointed to the Federal Cabinet.
Where is my prize?
old bloke
15 Oct 12 at 3:51 am
Too true Mick. It’s what’s known as a dingo root. If you wake up first in the morning and your arm is underneath her, you chew your arm off instead of wake her up to make your escape.
old bloke
15 Oct 12 at 4:02 am
Now that the “sexist victim” strategy lies dismembered on the battlefield, and the only remaining arguments are about whether what’s being sought is a truce or surrender, let’s look briefly at the intellectual quotient of the ABC and Fairfax hacks who last week were extolling Gillard’s speech as a masterpiece of political invective.
I have complete contempt for every one of them. They have been given a prominent place in the public discourse and have squandered it in shallow cheer-squad fashion. This is why nobody on the conservative or libertarian side will have any sympathy in the event of a complete sell-off of either Fairfax or the ABC. They have betrayed their public.
Blogstrop
15 Oct 12 at 5:47 am
James Campbell’s response to Gillard’s dummy spit:
RTWT.
Cold-Hands
15 Oct 12 at 11:40 am
Awww. You are onto us, Cold Hands. Nuts!
Now, here is what guys do: first of all, they wind us up. Then they go all silent with the occasional Peter O’Toole ‘yes’. If you heat up more, then they point out in detail the process (above) by which you have lost the argument, and get all forensic about your direction and facts. You return fire by getting all forensic about their deficiencies with regard to recognizing your feelings and abilities. Then they hug you better and buy you something nice, or talk about your things for a while till you start to feel a bit mollified and cook them dinner because you’re hungry too. Then it’s bedtime and somehow the same old magic kicks in. He says you’re the smartest sexiest cookie in the jar and you tell him his hairy emotional IQ hits 300.
Till the next time. The whole thing is an eternal rinse and repeat. Role reversal may occur occasionally merely, as anthropologists tell us, to reinforce the natural order of things.
Battle of the sexes, mate. Always there, never ends.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
15 Oct 12 at 2:08 pm
Yep. She started off on the agrument of why Slipper should remain the Speaker. That was this bit:
Part of the very first sentence before she morphed into an excellent impersonation of a fish-wife harridan with PMS. Then it was all girly emotional clap-trap after that. Heh. Regardez their prime monster in full shrew flight.
Gab
15 Oct 12 at 2:20 pm
Some stats from gillard’s screech.
She said “Opposition” 50 times.
She said “Speaker” twice.
She said “speakership” once.
What a piece of work.
Gab
15 Oct 12 at 2:25 pm
Campbell’s essay is very good and right on the money.
dover_beach
15 Oct 12 at 2:33 pm
Gab, while you and I know that Mr Abbott was merely quoting Shakespeare
, the Red Dalek seems determined to find affront in everything that is said of or about her.
Cold-Hands
15 Oct 12 at 2:39 pm
Thanks Liz, I enjoy your revelations of the feminine point of view. Very enlightening.
Cold-Hands
15 Oct 12 at 2:40 pm
That’s not true, Cold-Hands. She only finds cause to point to sexism when she is criticized.
Gab
15 Oct 12 at 2:41 pm
Just for you, Cold-Hands.
Gab
15 Oct 12 at 2:43 pm
Yea, Gab. “Why can’t a woman be more like a man?”
The exasperated mating call of the human male down the centuries. The context changes, but the motif still plays. We are working with you men on ringing the changes, but not on changing our very beings. That would be demented.
So, gentlemen, we may not rise to the occasion like you do, but we are pretty damned good after our own fashion.
We’re impeccably careful and logical too, when needs must, btw. We have skilled brains. Mother nature, entrusting us with her breeding program, has seen to it that we can keep the fat, and the kids, out of the fire while keeping men organised and helpful by our sides. Ideal talents for today, and very transferable to parliaments everywhere. Sexism? Bah! Equality of opportunity and we’ll do the rest.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
15 Oct 12 at 5:23 pm
For the Cat ladies. Mind you, you couldn’t make that film these days…
Cold-Hands
15 Oct 12 at 6:09 pm
Tjose were the days, CH. Those were the lovely and innocent movies that would have you convicted of some offence today. Must be what they call “progress”.
Here’s something to cheer us all:
Good call, Miranda.
Gab
15 Oct 12 at 6:22 pm