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Obama recognises Iran’s “nuclear rights”

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He’s still president until January even if he loses the election in November so what’s the hurry, but more to the point, what’s the reason? Being reported:

Senior Iranian parliamentary sources revealed on Saturday that the Swiss envoy to Tehran has quoted US President Barack Obama as acknowledging Iran’s nuclear rights.

Swiss Ambassador to Tehran Livia Leu Agosti attended a meeting with senior Iranian foreign ministry officials a few days ago to submit a letter from the US president to Tehran leaders.

Vice-Chairman of the Iranian Parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Hossein Ebrahimi told FNA that during the meeting, Agosti had told the Iranian officials that President Barack Obama recognizes Iran’s right of access and use of the nuclear technology.

‘There are a couple of points with regard to this (US) message (to Iran),’ Ebrahimi said and added, ‘Firstly, during the session to submit the message, the Swiss ambassador to Tehran quoted the US president as saying that “we (the US) recognize your nuclear rights”.’

As regards the second issue, the lawmaker said that the Swiss diplomat had also quoted Obama as saying that ‘I didn’t want to impose sanctions on your central bank but I had no options but to approve it since a Congress majority had approved the decision.’

Also from Drudge: “Chavez, Castro, Putin endorse Obama…“.

The foreign policy debate tomorrow – SBS at noon – should be extraordinary.

Written by Steve Kates

October 22nd, 2012 at 12:32 pm

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  1. … acknowledging iran’s nuclear rights.

    The right to “wipe Israel off the face of the earth” needing no mention, of course.

    Rabz

    22 Oct 12 at 12:40 pm

  2. Given that Switzerland is within the range of Iran’s missiles, I suppose that the minaret ban will soon be removed.

    old bloke

    22 Oct 12 at 1:45 pm

  3. Alternatively, it is not true.

    AJ

    22 Oct 12 at 1:47 pm

  4. Sounds like bullshit to me. Even the poodle chewer wouldn’t be that stupid.

    Infidel Tiger

    22 Oct 12 at 2:22 pm

  5. Agree, IT. Why would he make the commitment before the election, and why would the Iranian hierarchy broadcast something they must surely know would aid Romney.

    I wonder if it isn’t being put about as a trap for Romney tomorrow – get him to say something and then reveal that he has overstepped on a rumour. To the extent that Iranian nuclear ambitions would be likely on the radar (as Libya was), Bambi’s kids would need to concoct an out for him to vitiate any advantage of facts that Romney pursue.

    Aqualung

    22 Oct 12 at 2:42 pm

  6. To acknowledge that they signed the NPT and have the right to peaceful nuclear activities. Gee how scarey. Aren’t we also a signatory?

    kelly liddle

    22 Oct 12 at 2:47 pm

  7. Aren’t we also a signatory?

    Yes but we don’t jump up and every five minutes declaring Israel must be destroyed.

    Gab

    22 Oct 12 at 2:49 pm

  8. Rights are for humans not nations.

    TerjeP

    22 Oct 12 at 2:54 pm

  9. Yes but we don’t jump up and every five minutes declaring Israel must be destroyed.

    Well that is a different issue. The only major issue in the post is should it be recognised that Iran has signed the NPT and has the right to peaceful nuclear activities. The other issue which is a non issue without proof is whether or not Obama agrees with the sanctions. A full non tampered voice recording would be suffice.

    kelly liddle

    22 Oct 12 at 3:09 pm

  10. Rights are for humans not nations.

    Rights are illusory. There is only privilege and responsibility.

    Driftforge

    22 Oct 12 at 3:16 pm

  11. Obama doesn’t get to do things like that by himself. All international treaties must be ratified by Congress as does breaking them.

    Suspect this is nothing more than a classic Obama campaign ‘test the winds’ operation at best. Leak something, see if it plays, then either claim it and double down or drop it. An incredibly poorly chosen one, but that’s what desperation smells like.

    But hey, Chavez, Castro and Putin have endorsed him…..

    Zatara

    22 Oct 12 at 3:18 pm

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  13. Release of the Khalidi tape, which the LA Times has kept under wraps to protect Obama for years, would be most fascinating now.

    What does Obama really think of Israel’s right to exist?

    He gives the odd not so subtle clues sometimes, such shafting Netanyahu repeatedly and playing games with recognition of Jerusalem as its capital, but I’m guessing that video of his address at the Khalidi function would blow the lid off the truth.

    Ant

    22 Oct 12 at 3:49 pm

  14. The Khalidi tape along with Obama’s university transcripts have been sealed in a vault six miles underground beneath Area 51.

    Gab

    22 Oct 12 at 3:56 pm

  15. “What does Obama really think of Israel’s right to exist? He gives the odd not so subtle clues sometimes”

    Why do you need subtle clues? Try listening to what he says, or look at what he’s done:

    Because over the last three years, as president of the United States, I have kept my commitments to the state of Israel. At every crucial juncture, at every fork in the road, we have been there for Israel. Every single time.

    Four years ago, I stood before you and said that, “Israel’s security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable.” That belief has guided my actions as president. The fact is my administration’s commitment to Israel’s security has been unprecedented. Our military and intelligence cooperation has never been closer. Our joint exercises and training have never been more robust. Despite a tough budget environment, our security assistance has increased every single year. We are investing in new capabilities. We’re providing Israel with more advanced technology, the types of products and systems that only go to our closest friends and allies. And make no mistake: We will do what it takes to preserve Israel’s qualitative military edge because Israel must always have the ability to defend itself, by itself, against any threat.

    This isn’t just about numbers on a balance sheet. As a senator, I spoke to Israeli troops on the Lebanese border. I visited with families who’ve known the terror of rocket fire in Sderot. And that’s why, as president, I have provided critical funding to deploy the Iron Dome system that has intercepted rockets that might have hit homes and hospitals and schools in that town and in others. Now our assistance is expanding Israel’s defensive capabilities, so that more Israelis can live free from the fear of rockets and ballistic missiles. Because no family, no citizen, should live in fear.

    And just as we’ve been there with our security assistance, we’ve been there through our diplomacy. When the Goldstone report unfairly singled out Israel for criticism, we challenged it. When Israel was isolated in the aftermath of the flotilla incident, we supported them. When the Durban conference was commemorated, we boycotted it, and we will always reject the notion that Zionism is racism.

    When one-sided resolutions are brought up at the Human Rights Council, we oppose them. When Israeli diplomats feared for their lives in Cairo, we intervened to save them. When there are efforts to boycott or divest from Israel, we will stand against them. And whenever an effort is made to delegitimise the state of Israel, my administration has opposed them. So there should not be a shred of doubt by now when the chips are down, I have Israel’s back.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-video/video/2012/03/04/president-obama-2012-aipac-policy-conference#transcript

    Jarrah

    22 Oct 12 at 4:01 pm

  16. Well I’m convinced now!

    Gab

    22 Oct 12 at 4:03 pm

  17. At the link is Bret Baier’s detailed review of the timeline of events in Benghazi, including the time before the attack on 9/11.

    It details repeated attacks on the Benghazi compound.

    It is shocking to note the State Department did not keep on the Ex-Marine who was in charge of security in Benghazi.

    Lt Col Wood was pulled out in August, AFTER he lead a team investigating the attepted assassination of the UK ambassador.

    Talk about a clusterf**k.

    Token

    22 Oct 12 at 4:16 pm

  18. “Yes but we don’t jump up and every five minutes declaring Israel must be destroyed.”

    We have the word of a Mossad linked translation service assuring us that’s what he said, truly, would we lie (again) to you?

    pb

    22 Oct 12 at 4:21 pm

  19. Token

    22 Oct 12 at 4:22 pm

  20. This is straight out of Python. Destroying whole nations is bad, but we must recognise their ‘right’ to do so. It’s the same with Obama lamenting why he can’t be referred to by his middle name whilst Romney can, without actually thinking about why this is the case.

    Nic

    22 Oct 12 at 4:25 pm

  21. We have the word of a Mossad linked translation service assuring us that’s what he said, truly, would we lie (again) to you?

    n the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful

    All Praise Belongs to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds, and May Peace and Blessings

    be upon the Greatest and Trustworthy Prophet and His Pure Progeny, His Chosen

    Companions, and upon all Divine Messengers.

    Oh, God, Hasten the Emergence of Your Chosen Beloved, Grant Him Good

    Health and Victory, Make us His Best Companions, and all those who attest to His

    Rightfulness.

    Mr. President,

    Excellencies,

    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    I thank the Almighty God for having once more the chance to participate in this meeting. We have gathered here to ponder and work together for building a better life for the entire human community and for our nations.

    Why is it he receives no condemnation for blabbering on about his god but Abbott, a Catholic, is vilified for his faith? Anyways…

    We have the word of a Mossad linked translation service assuring us that’s what he said, truly, would we lie (again) to you?

    The Iranian leader, who has repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel and denied the existence of the Holocaust, spoke today on one of Judaism’s holiest days, Yom Kippur. During his speech he referred to Israelis as “uncivilized Zionists.”

    Gab

    22 Oct 12 at 4:52 pm

  22. Bit slow there, eh kelly.

    Anyone enriching uranium above 20 % doesn’t need it for power generation but for some other purpose.
    What could that be? Ok, I give up, it’s a brainteaser alright, the Israeli’s will never catch on.

    Alfonso

    22 Oct 12 at 4:57 pm

  23. Yes but we don’t jump up and every five minutes declaring Israel must be destroyed.

    Well that is a different issue.

    I’m sure the Israelis don’t think so.

    Forester

    22 Oct 12 at 5:20 pm

  24. Kelly would not know what “enrichment” means, Alfonso.

    Every country has them – loud collaborators, seeing an opportunity to curry friends that decent society has wisely not provided, while they hope they will attract enough attention to be spared should evil triumph.

    Useful idiots, as one of the evil described them.

    James of the Glens

    22 Oct 12 at 6:51 pm

  25. Rex

    You fucking moron. There’s no problem in recognizing iran’s right to nuclear. Every nation currently has that right.

    The problem with Iran is its continual refusal to sign the non-proliferation treaty and allow inspections of its operations which the regime continues to spin that it’s for peaceful purposes.

    JC

    22 Oct 12 at 6:59 pm

  26. So an Iranian expert is Rex, beaudy.

    I crave in-country Iranian info, having misspoke a little meself…..
    5% is the general power enrichment requirement…..20% is what, Rexoid? Don’t be shy.

    Alfonso

    22 Oct 12 at 7:03 pm

  27. Iran of course is not being treated by the same standards as say Israel for a very good reason…. Pure power politics.

    The West doesn’t fear an Israeli nuke hitting the Eiffel tower or Congress. It does fear iran’s intentions and proliferation concerns.

    JC

    22 Oct 12 at 7:04 pm

  28. Why has every other comment above assumed that Obama is saying, they have the ‘right’ to the weapons?

    Because , knowing the Kenyan there is a we’ll founded fear that he would go easy on the treaty and inspection angle in the same way the Clinton administration went easy with NK and ended up being suckered in.

    JC

    22 Oct 12 at 7:08 pm

  29. Come on Rexy don’t be shy…..why the 20% Iranian enrichment operation for “electricity generation”…..:-) ?

    Alfonso

    22 Oct 12 at 7:20 pm

  30. Bwaaa…..and not related at all…. ;-)

    You are officially laughed off Cat.

    Why do the iranians do weapons grade enrichment while proclaiming energy generation only?
    Please, tell me again.

    You forget why, don’t you, Islamodickhead?

    Alfonso

    22 Oct 12 at 7:55 pm

  31. The problem with Iran is its continual refusal to sign the non-proliferation treaty and allow inspections of its operations which the regime continues to spin that it’s for peaceful purposes.

    JC Are you becoming senile? Are you getting Iran confused with one of the other I countries like Israel or India.

    kelly liddle

    22 Oct 12 at 9:21 pm

  32. “20% is what”

    They pretend they don’t want nuclear weapons, but that’s ludicrous. Of course they want nukes. They look at the different ways Iraq and North Korea fared, and they realise that when the US is your enemy, only having weapons of mass distraction will keep them at bay.

    Jarrah

    22 Oct 12 at 9:44 pm

  33. They look at the different ways Iraq and North Korea fared, and they realise that when the US is your enemy, only having weapons of mass distraction will keep them at bay.

    Strange how North Korea uses their nuclear program to shake down their neighbours.

    Theory blown.

    Token

    22 Oct 12 at 9:53 pm

  34. “Strange how North Korea uses their nuclear program to shake down their neighbours.”

    Why strange?

    “Theory blown.”

    What? It confirms the theory – North Korea knows they won’t be invaded, so they push for whatever concessions they can get. Why won’t they be invaded? Nukes. Hence Iran’s frantic enrichment program.

    Jarrah

    22 Oct 12 at 10:05 pm

  35. Rights and responsibilities go together. If Obama truly believes that Iran is merely exercising its “right” to peaceful nuclear energy generation, then he should insist that Iran lives up to its responsibilities as a signatory to the Non-proliferation treaty. Preventing inspection teams from visiting all their nuclear facilities puts up a big red flag. Given the huge gulf between Iran’s rhetoric and actual practice, the Chosen One only demonstrates his naivete in International relations. Putin will eat him for breakfast.

    Cold-Hands

    22 Oct 12 at 10:16 pm

  36. Why has every other comment above assumed that Obama is saying, they have the ‘right’ to the weapons?

    Because there wouldn’t be a story to be commented on to begin with if that’s all he said or meant.

    See my above comment about ‘testing the winds’.

    Zatara

    22 Oct 12 at 10:58 pm

  37. The most recent assesment by the IAEA so far as I can tell.

    52. While the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared nuclear material at the
    nuclear facilities and LOFs declared by Iran under its Safeguards Agreement, as Iran is not providing
    the necessary cooperation, including by not implementing its Additional Protocol, the Agency is
    unable to provide credible assurance about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in
    Iran, and therefore to conclude that all nuclear material in Iran is in peaceful activities.49
    53. Despite the intensified dialogue between the Agency and Iran since January 2012, no concrete
    results have been achieved in resolving the outstanding issues. Given the nature and extent of credible
    information available, the Agency considers it essential for Iran to engage with the Agency without
    further delay on the substance of the Agency’s concerns. In the absence of such engagement, the
    Agency will not be able to resolve concerns about issues regarding the Iranian nuclear programme,
    including those which need to be clarified to exclude the existence of possible military dimensions to
    Iran’s nuclear programme.
    54. It is a matter of concern that the activities which have taken place since February 2012 at the
    location within the Parchin site to which the Agency has requested access will have an adverse impact
    on the Agency’s ability to undertake effective verification. The Agency reiterates its request for access
    to that location without further delay.
    55. The Director General continues to urge Iran, as required in the binding resolutions of the Board
    of Governors and mandatory Security Council resolutions, to take steps towards the full
    implementation of its Safeguards Agreement and its other obligations, and to urge Iran to engage with
    the Agency to achieve concrete results on all outstanding substantive issues.
    56. The Director General will continue to report as appropriate.

    Number 54 seems to be the biggest issue. It is not an issue of there being no inspections but that the inspections are not complete to the standard the IAEA would like. If I am a useful idiot for only accepting the word of the IAEA no more and no less then so be it.

    kelly liddle

    23 Oct 12 at 2:59 am

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