Julie Bishop steps up to Gillard at Catallaxy Files

Julie Bishop steps up to Gillard

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This video clip is well worth watching.

(HT: Gab and CL in the Tuesday Open Thread).

Update: Paul Murray Live is covering this too. Channel 601.

Written by Sinclair Davidson

October 31st, 2012 at 8:55 pm

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Paul Murray cross referenced to with the Godwin Gretch affair, he concedes there may be something to it but unless it gets mentioned outside of Parliament it is a nothing issue.

BTW, what is gillzillas form with calling the speaker of the house – ‘speaker’, not Madam speaker or Mr speaker, just speaker.

I think JB has her rattled and i hope the pressure stays on.

Carpe Jugulum

31 Oct 12 at 9:09 pm
Go Julie!

What was the offensive remark that had the member for Bowman (Andrew Laming?) ejected?

I like the strategy.. Abbott can hold the high ground and stay out of the hurly burly, a woman is doing the attack (so Gillard can’t rely on the misogynist line). I agree with Carpe – she’s getting rattled.

duncan

31 Oct 12 at 9:12 pm
I posted the video first, Sinclair. CL doesn’t do scrolling.

Gab

31 Oct 12 at 9:13 pm
Bishop was excellent. Held her ground, remained calm, no shrieking, direct questions and didn’t take crap from gillard.

Gab

31 Oct 12 at 9:15 pm
I like the strategy.. Abbott can hold the high ground and stay out of the hurly burly, a woman is doing the attack (so Gillard can’t rely on the misogynist line). I agree with Carpe – she’s getting rattled.

It is time the Coalition followed the US tradition and used surrogates to open a front of controversy so the party leader can be seen to be above the fray.

Token

31 Oct 12 at 9:16 pm
Gab,

she certainly is excellent on the attack. Very calm, collected and forceful… with a nice kick in the nuts at the end.

duncan

31 Oct 12 at 9:17 pm
it is also trending on twitter #PMLive

Carpe Jugulum

31 Oct 12 at 9:18 pm
If you are watching Sky newsw on 601 – it is basically the gillrudd apology hour.

Harden up Hildebrand you pussy.

Carpe Jugulum

31 Oct 12 at 9:22 pm
I posted the video first, Sinclair. CL doesn’t do scrolling.

Yes – you did. That is why the HT goes to Gab and CL, not CL and Gab.

Sinclair Davidson

31 Oct 12 at 9:24 pm
Ms Bishop is more stylish, better dressed and slimmer and speaks better, and her hair is nicer than j.gillard.

candy

31 Oct 12 at 9:25 pm
Gillard reminds me of a cornered sewer rat – hissing, snarling and biting; truly an unedifying spectacle.

Good on Julie Bishop for taking this up in Parliament – I hope Gillard loses sleep over it. She needs to be publically shamed – it is the only way to hurt a narcissist. Strike deep at her ego and her self image. I suspect that Gillard feels no guilt, she has constructed this edifice of cover-up, deceit, blaming others, and threats in order to protect her fragile ego.

Tear her down, shame her. It is all that she deserves.

A Lurker

31 Oct 12 at 9:25 pm
I take back my earlier comment they are starting to go hard at gillrudd, except for the howler in the green dress.

Carpe Jugulum

31 Oct 12 at 9:27 pm
Double billing doesn’t work for me, Sinclair.

(Admit it, you missed us for nine weeks).

Gab

31 Oct 12 at 9:27 pm
Yes – I missed you all. I cried myself to sleep every night with separation anxiety …

Sinclair Davidson

31 Oct 12 at 9:29 pm
And to think , they are both Adelaide “girls”!!!

blind freddy

31 Oct 12 at 9:29 pm
Who was the harpy in the green dress?

Setting up a ‘slush fund’ for relelection purposes is quite normal.

Sweet cheeses on a bicycle,she is a moron.

Carpe Jugulum

31 Oct 12 at 9:31 pm
“Tear her down, shame her. It is all that she deserves.”

yep, the Coalition has to be a bit ruthless here, we can’t have corrupt PM’s. It’s not in the national interest.

candy

31 Oct 12 at 9:33 pm
Prime Minister Julia Gillard responds to questions about her involvement in an alleged AWU slush fund by turning the blow torch on Tony Abbott.

Gota love theat SIlly Moaning Herald spin! Bishop tears strips of the useless PM and the Herald still try to make the red head the story. [Naughty. Sinc]

Rococo Liberal

31 Oct 12 at 9:33 pm
This is bloody awesome. The PM is getting her arse kicked by the Speaker. She is being called on her corruption and it is being brought up in Parliament and shown in a left leaning newspaper’s website.

She’s fucked.

“You’re accusing me of corruption because you don’t have a plan for the future”

Haha, what a fuckwit you are, Gillard.

.

31 Oct 12 at 9:36 pm
I think it’s quite revealing that the Speaker has to ask the PM to withdraw her comments “for the good of the House.”

Gillard is acting like a petulant child, not any sort of role model.

And I agree with Candy on the contrast in dress between Gillard and Bishop.

Gillard’s stylist needs to be taken out and slapped with a wet tea towel.

nilk

31 Oct 12 at 9:37 pm
Forget cheques sighted or unsighted, the thing that nails her is her alleged witnessing of the signature in Perth when she was allegedly nowhere near the place.

If so that’s a crime, as open and shut as is possible in this life and the Opposition and the police are ignoring it.

Alfonso

31 Oct 12 at 9:38 pm
I think it’s quite revealing that the Speaker has to ask the PM to withdraw her comments “for the good of the House.”

Gillard is acting like a petulant child, not any sort of role model.

Yes and the Speaker is coddling gillard. When has the Speaker ever spoken in such an indulgent manner to anyone else in the House?! It was bordering on babytalk.

Gab

31 Oct 12 at 9:40 pm
we can’t have corrupt PM’s. It’s not in the national interest.

Irony aside i know that previous PMs have been inept, dodgy, lazy, fooolish & bordering on cretinism.

But gilllzilla has set a new benchmark. She is morally bankrupt and totally corrupt.

Carpe Jugulum

31 Oct 12 at 9:43 pm
Found what Laming said:

“You’re Corrupt”

duncan

31 Oct 12 at 9:46 pm
CL doesn’t do scrolling.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk129/palong_palo/smiley/snob.gif

C.L.

31 Oct 12 at 9:48 pm
Excellent. There needs to more, so much more from the Opposition. Bishop does rattle the PM, you can sense that. Abbptt must remove himself from comment on this issue, be seen to rise above in a sense. His colleagues must be relentless: Gillard, AWU, Blewitt, Slater & Gordon, Williamson, Thomson, Slipper. Relentless. Carbon tax issue not dead, there will be fallout at Warwick McKibbin has forewarned. Abbot must refrain from uttering the words for a bit. Give it to ‘em and give it to ‘em good. Labor has played the dirtiest of games. Meet them on their turf. But not Abbott.

Three dogs

31 Oct 12 at 9:48 pm
Gillard and John McTernan must be pretty frustrated right now

“Jeez we had this beaut misogynist thing going and now they’ve got Bishop asking the damn questions. What the hell do we do now?”

kingsley

31 Oct 12 at 9:49 pm
What the hell do we do now?”

Attack the Labor women by suggesting they are brainless and just Tony Abbott’s puppets. Like gillard did today. And will do again tomorrow.

Gab

31 Oct 12 at 9:51 pm
PM Live was most instructive.
Murray draws parallel with Godwin Grech affair!
FFS!
This is way, way past a forged e-mail and a pompous dickhead in Turnbull who met Grech and somehow DIDN’T spot that he was a sandwich short of a picnic.

Leigh Lowe

31 Oct 12 at 9:53 pm
Called it. Abbott will get the women around him to do the attacking and he’ll remain above it all. As much as I’d prefer him to be getting on the front foot, it’s good politics on his behalf.

It’s about time somebody took the fight up to this miserable government.

tbh

31 Oct 12 at 9:54 pm
I think it’s quite revealing that the Speaker has to ask the PM to withdraw her comments “for the good of the House.”

Yes.

No “unconditional” for her. She’s Leo McLeay II.

C.L.

31 Oct 12 at 9:54 pm
As others have noted this is tactically brilliant.
The crayfish knows she can’t call mysoginist on Bishop and the squirming is beautiful to watch.

Leigh Lowe

31 Oct 12 at 9:55 pm
Obviously a change of tactics since the misogyny stitch-up. They are at last going in hard on this one. TLS has no defence in the House lest she digs a hole for herself.

Send in the fine women to do the job.

Lazlo

31 Oct 12 at 9:58 pm
What the hell do we do now?”

Attack the Liberal women by suggesting they are brainless and just Tony Abbott’s puppets. Like gillard did today. And will do again tomorrow.

Gab

31 Oct 12 at 9:59 pm
It’s also interesting that the ALP benches were a bit quiet, in contrast to the goonish misogyny cheer squad.

They don’t know what really happened with the AWU. Only the TLS does. She’s on her own and looking isolated.

Lazlo

31 Oct 12 at 10:05 pm
What was the offensive remark that had the member for Bowman (Andrew Laming?) ejected?

“YOU’RE CORRUPT!”

C.L.

31 Oct 12 at 10:06 pm
Its a pity they don’t have Bronny the Barracuda in the House.

She’d stitch up the young and naive Julia no worries about that.

Still, Bishop the Younger is a good start.

Greg J

31 Oct 12 at 10:10 pm
“This video clip is well worth watching.”

Well Sinclair, that was good advice.

Julie Bishop is a class act alright. She speaks moderately, with clarity and purpose.

That other thing shows throughout that she is a low grade carping bogan. Doesn’t she just milk the lie “I’ve dealt with this on the public record”!?!?

Mick Gold Coast QLD

31 Oct 12 at 10:10 pm
The clowns on PM Live (except Chris Kenny) are a joke.
Bleating about mis-use of “coward’s castle” and predicting that the AWU scandal will somehow rebound on the coalition.
Jee-sus!
Where were these dickheads when Craig Thomson bagged everyone from Abbott to the HSU cleaner for his alleged whore-mongering, using Parliamentary privilege.
Not sure where Gillard can go with this ….. maybe break out the Kleenex and get Mal Washer to run down to her office with the black bag and pronounce her “under pressure” and try to get him to call the dogs off.

Leigh Lowe

31 Oct 12 at 10:11 pm
Andrew Laming got turfed for calling Gillard “corrupt”.
What were the grounds for throwing him out?

Leigh Lowe

31 Oct 12 at 10:13 pm
Andrew Laming got turfed for calling Gillard “corrupt”.
What were the grounds for throwing him out?

Leigh Lowe

31 Oct 12 at 10:13 pm
BTW, what is gillzillas form with calling the speaker of the house – ‘speaker’, not Madam speaker or Mr speaker, just speaker.

Apparently the Speaker has said she doesn’t like being addressed as Madame. Usually Gillards calls her Deputy Speaker. Yeah – she must be rattled.

Viva

31 Oct 12 at 10:16 pm
The Red Headed Dunderhead is rattled all right…her carefully enunciated accent of the last few weeks deserted her. She was back to the droning, nasally strine that’s like fingernails on a blackboard. She really is despicable, an utter disgrace in the role.

Megan

31 Oct 12 at 10:16 pm
I posted the video first, Sinclair. CL doesn’t do scrolling.

Typical woman.

dover_beach

31 Oct 12 at 10:17 pm
The clowns on PM Live (except Chris Kenny) are a joke.
Bleating about mis-use of “coward’s castle” and predicting that the AWU scandal will somehow rebound on the coalition.

The class on Sky is full of intellectual pygmies who are making a lot of money being obsequious to power.

When the government changes shades watch them toady to the next bunch.

Token

31 Oct 12 at 10:18 pm
“Gillard reminds me of a cornered sewer rat”

I represent the United Federation of Sewer Rats.
I insist you withdraw that remark!

Leigh Lowe

31 Oct 12 at 10:18 pm
No “unconditional” for her. She’s Leo McLeay II.

Did you hear her say, Please. Grovelling request. And then “that woman” withdraws with a Jones-style apology. Unbelievable. Absolute lacking any class. She is embarrassing.

dover_beach

31 Oct 12 at 10:20 pm
Andrew Laming got turfed for calling Gillard “corrupt”.
What were the grounds for throwing him out?

Speaking the truth?

A Lurker

31 Oct 12 at 10:20 pm
Just sent an email to Hon Julie Bishop, MP

“Questions to PM Gillard 31 October 2012

Dear Madam

My sincerest best wishes for the initiative you undertook today in the House of Representatives.

Please continue the intense questioning of PM Gillard over her role at Slaters and Gordon and other matters.

Don’t step back, please.”

Mike

Mike of Marion

31 Oct 12 at 10:22 pm
Doesn’t she just milk the lie…

She can’t give the same presser answers on the floor of Parliament without losing the last job she’ll ever have.

lotocoti

31 Oct 12 at 10:22 pm
I represent the United Federation of Sewer Rats.
I insist you withdraw that remark!

I guess that even sewer rats have redeeming qualities. I humbly apologise for linking sewer rats to that piece of work that is the PM of Australia.

A Lurker

31 Oct 12 at 10:25 pm
Honestly, this stuff in the news just doesn’t play with the general punters. My parenta loathe Gillard, but when they see these news reports they say, “Oh, they’re all the bloody same”

They’re not, of course. Not by a long shot. But this is exactly what Gillard wants. She knows people hate her. She knows she can’t reverse it. It’s a Scorched Earth approach. Gillard is a fucking cow.

Fleeced

31 Oct 12 at 10:41 pm
Och aye, but it’s grand to see ,hope we get to see a lot more of it till Gillard ‘cracks”

Jazza

31 Oct 12 at 10:42 pm
I say that mostly because of the two men whose jobs she took with her nasty actions to stop them and because she has never once showed any sign of regret that HSU members had their funds allegedly rorted for “someone’s” self gratification and further for “someone” else’s personal gain.
The woman disgusts me and shames my gender!

Jazza

31 Oct 12 at 10:44 pm
You gotta love the unions and the ALP, don’t ya? One woman tries to stand up for the people she represents and for her troubles has a shovel left on her doorstep and gets sacked. Another woman, is at best careless and derelict in her professional duties towards her union client and her employer and gets made PM. What a fabulous country we live in, eh?

Skuter

31 Oct 12 at 10:51 pm
Gillard copped a well-deserved examination into her bent lawyer days. Bishop was excellent. Morrison also today. I note Chris Bowen wouldn’t show his face in the House today, leaving Clare to provide rebuttal to Morrison. It was a very lopsided affair.
All in all, a good day for the opposition. Gillard looked like she’d run into a door. Was that a bump on her forehead, or just a lot of tension built up from furrowing her brow ?

Keith

31 Oct 12 at 10:53 pm
Yes it was fine to watch, somewhere today I saw a picture of Gillard smirking when she sat down, turned half around and was looking at the comrades.

It was in response to an Abbott question. I bet she is not smirking now, she’d be squirming. Bishop to Red Queen, Check.

Helen Armstrong

31 Oct 12 at 10:57 pm
Jazza, SHE (misogyny TM) disgusts me too, but she doesn’t shame your gender any more than she collectively shames white people. She shames herself and anyone who supports or defends her. It is actions, not innate characteristics that matter, at least to me.

Skuter

31 Oct 12 at 10:57 pm
Abbott needs to look at his watch when gillard speaks.

Gab

31 Oct 12 at 11:00 pm
Plan for the country’s future? What? Like the one from the Howard era they’ve just used?

nic

31 Oct 12 at 11:07 pm
There’s a poll in the SMH at the end of the “Outrage, gillard cops “you’re corrupt” slur”:

Poll: Has Julia Gillard explained her involvement in the AWU scandal of the 1990′s to your satisfaction?

Yes 40%

No 60%

Total votes: 2665.

Poll closes in 31 days.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/pm-hits-out-at-coalitions-nasty-personal-politics-20121031-28jv8.html#ixzz2AsTBa07J

Gab

31 Oct 12 at 11:08 pm
Our esteemed leader still has not condemned Slipper for his foul texts. She is resting on her laurels after her attack on Tony Abbott went viral. She will get her comeuppance.

Anika

31 Oct 12 at 11:12 pm
The cheque in question was not in fact sent to SandG. Blewitt banked it in Perth and a bank cheque was sent. So why didn’t Gillard point this out? Some theories are discussed on Bolt’s blog. Mine is that one or more people advised Blewitt, and it’s possible that Gillard knows about the cheque in question.

Gillard might be worried that Blewitt will reveal what went on, and she is simply not going to say anything lest she be contradicted. She is also adhering to the line that she made a complete statement earlier.

rafiki

31 Oct 12 at 11:16 pm
OIC. People here think Julie Bishop looked convincing when she bunged on a “I ask my own questions” act, as if Tony doesn’t know what’s going to be asked in QT?

Look, attacks on Gillard on this matter have worked a treat so far. Preferred PM rating, anyone?

I hate to be the one to tell you, really: given the current state of evidence you’ve got – you’re proving nothing, look obsessed with events of 20 years ago, and think people are dumb and won’t recognize a smart arse “we’ll get Julie to ask the question, that way it’ll look clever” line.

So, keep it up, Tony. Your days are looking numbered to me…

steve from brisbane

31 Oct 12 at 11:35 pm
Michelle Grattan, in April, in the SMH:

Julia Gillard should consider falling on her sword for the good of the Labor Party, because she can no longer present an even slightly credible face at the election.

Her spectacular U-turn on everything she’d said before on Craig Thomson and Peter Slipper has left her looking nakedly expedient, and further exposed the state of crisis within the government.

Gillard can no longer present an even slightly credible face at the election.

If Labor had any functioning party elders, they would be advising Gillard to consider the good of the party and relinquish the leadership gracefully.

That would lead Labor down another fraught path, but it could hardly be worse off than now.

And the poll, in the SMH back then:

Poll: Should Julia Gillard quit?

Yes 81%

No 19%

Total votes: 53188.

Poll closed 1 May, 2012.

Gab

31 Oct 12 at 11:41 pm
Anyone have an email address for John McTernan and/or Gillard’s COS?

areff

31 Oct 12 at 11:45 pm
Your days are looking numbered to me…

ROTFLMAO

Stop it liar-steve™!

Please please stop or I’ll crack a rib.

JamesK

31 Oct 12 at 11:47 pm
…obsessed with events of 20 years ago…

Steve stalked the invented wall punching episode from 1979 for about three weeks. You are an imbecile, Steve.

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 12:02 am
Even the SMH calls it like it is:

Gillard again refuses to answer explicit slush fund questions.

Photo meant to ridicule.

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 12:07 am
Steve stalked the invented wall punching episode from 1979 for about three weeks. You are an imbecile, Steve.

Tough but fair. The ignominy is doubled since she is presently lying about her previous fraudulent activities.

dover_beach

1 Nov 12 at 12:08 am
Ah yes, Julie Bishop, that great Liberal, or should that be liberal, who campaigned against wheat deregulation.

Good to see you Cats supporting such left leaning talent.

William Bragg

1 Nov 12 at 12:11 am
Yes, even Slipper had a field day pointing out that the champion of free markets, Julie Bishop, supported a regulated wheat market.

Scapula

1 Nov 12 at 12:15 am
Ah yes, Julie Bishop, that great Liberal, or should that be liberal, who campaigned against wheat deregulation.

That was a rather shameful act by the coalition.

Infidel Tiger

1 Nov 12 at 12:18 am
Last time SfB started frantically saying “non story” in relation to this it blew up shortly there after.

So in line with the Unified Theory of SfB Wrongness the story is again gaining legs.

twostix

1 Nov 12 at 12:18 am
Indeed. Curious why the Libs did that. Perhaps a topic for another thread. This one is about how the Bishop cornered a cunning rat.

In any case, gillard gets flayed and sauteed and the gillard acolytes sing: hey! Look over there!

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 12:20 am
Gillard voted FOR deregulation; Bishop voted AGAINST it. So, what was it that you Cats believe in again?

William Bragg

1 Nov 12 at 12:24 am
Indeed. Curious why the Libs did that. Perhaps a topic for another thread. This one is about how the Bishop cornered a cunning rat.

In any case, gillard gets flayed and sauteed and the gillard acolytes sing: hey! Look over there!!!!

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 12:26 am
Gillard voted FOR deregulation; Bishop voted AGAINST it. So, what was it that you Cats believe in again?

I believe that Gillard is a gutter dwelling harpy whose morals would make a whore blush. The Coalition are bloody awful too.

Infidel Tiger

1 Nov 12 at 12:28 am
The white-hot light of the prime ministership is gradually exposing Gillard to the public, who today saw a haggard, ill-bred strumpet cornered by her corrupt past. The Labor backbench also saw the truth about their stop-gap leadership revealed in that exchange. Crean, Latham, Beazley, Rudd, Gillard: the revolving door is spinning now.

Tom

1 Nov 12 at 12:34 am
That was a rather shameful act by the coalition.

Consider the game: This ALP don’t do deregulation The Greens don’t.do.deregulation. So what was the function? Why the sudden desire to fully deregulate one industry that makes up the Nationals base that is already cranky about it?

To force the Nationals to say no, so that they can run this “hoho look at the hypocrital coalition – all divided” and to divide the coalition.

Type in “wheat deregulation” into google and that exact meme dominates the first five pages of results.

twostix

1 Nov 12 at 12:36 am
A Liberal MP got thrown out of Parliament, so hardly a win for them.

Scapula

1 Nov 12 at 12:44 am
Indeed. Curious why the Libs did that

It’s not curious even the stupid old lezzo windsor understood what was happening:

“I’m actually quite interested in the policy that grain growers want going forwards rather than the politics of Labor and Liberal and whether they[Labor] can embarrass the National Party and others on the way through,” Mr Windsor said

.

It was 110% about shit stirring in the coalition, nothing more. Knowing the duplicity of this government expect in six months to not hear about the Senate quietly demanding, and getting, the amendments that Abbott and the Nats were demanding now.

twostix

1 Nov 12 at 12:45 am
Do any of these people talking about deregulation know what the WEA actually does?

Also, Bishop’s job is to represent her electorate, who were overwhelmingly against the end of the single desk. If that even counts as deregulation. The wheat price was not regulated, nor was production. There was a farmer-owned company that had sole license to export bulk wheat.

Meantime the WEA currently only does some rubber-stamping and quality standard formalising. The only reason the ALP are voting to have it removed is because National voting seats mostly want it kept. The ALP hate country people with a burning passion, and they hate farmers most of all.

wreckage

1 Nov 12 at 12:46 am
Thanks for some balance, Infidel. There’s a parallel here with the Obama-Romney thing between Steve and Samuel J, really. Most Cats have become so focused on tearing down “the enemy”, irrespective of what they say or do or where the truth may lay, that they sometimes become blind to the faults of those who they’re supporting and even lose sight of what it is they’re fighting about. Every utterance by the enemy must be given the worst interpretation possible, just as every point made by the enemy’s enemy, no matter how banal or feeble, is treated as a killer blow, and anyone who doesn’t see that it is must have a mental condition, or have been hoodwinked by the evil, liberal media.

Anyhow, that’s almost enough from me tonight; it’s Workers Playtime.

William Bragg

1 Nov 12 at 12:47 am
…wheat deregulation…

Ahahahahaha.

Distraction Alert… Distraction Alert… Distraction Alert…

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 12:47 am
Eeewwww.

Julia Gillard is a mallard in a feeding frenzy, legs aloft, head down, foraging and burrowing around the bottom of a wide and shallow pond.

There is nothing subtle about this image.

Nike Savaa today.

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 12:50 am
So, here it is:

“why ask whether the PM engaged in illegal and corrupt practices when the Coalition won’t agree to vote down an agency whose function I can’t identify and don’t understand?”

Wow. Killer question.

wreckage

1 Nov 12 at 12:51 am
Chaff-bag Bishop – Queen of the Wheat.

Scapula

1 Nov 12 at 12:53 am
Steve.

Pretend any mamber of the Libs had done this one thing..

The AWU Scandal – Wilson and Gillard went to Boulder to get some money to buy some flats
You will have heard of the Boulder conference where local miners were convinced their funeral and death money would be better off if it was taken out of their hands.

You may also have heard of the holiday flats at Kalbarri that were apparently bought with that money.

You might have heard of the Ford dealer who apparently sold the flats and his generosity with motor cars.

Well I know as much as you do about all of that. But one bloke who was there when Ms Gillard went to Boulder to support her boyfriend was “Derby” Renton.

I spoke to Derby a few minutes ago. I apologise in advance for the quality of the call, he’s on a phone in a loud shop and my gear here is not studio quality, but you will get the idea about a group of miners who looked after each other and each other’s families, and the spivs who came to take control of their money.
http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2012/10/the-awu-scandal-wilson-and-gillard-went-to-boulder-to-get-some-money-to-buy-some-flats.html

Would you be happy to have it considered dead and buried?

There were about 5 fatalities while i was working in the goldfields, I was ESO for one of them, and worked on the bloke for an hour.
The company flew his family over from new Zealand and did all the right things, but that is EXACTLY the sort of thing that fund was set up for. In the case of a mine doing the dirty on a relative, or an unexpected cost, that was there to be tapped.
Another of the fatalities was at a neighbouring minesite, i was called to attend but he was deceased (obviously) before we got there.

I can assure you a lot of blokes take the deliberate stealing of that money extremely personaly.

Gillard facilitated stealing from a dead mans family, 20 years is nowhere long enough to erase that stain with 1/2 answers and goggles of ‘I was young and naieve”

thefrollickingmole

1 Nov 12 at 12:58 am
Gillard’s Shame & scandal (the song)

jules

1 Nov 12 at 2:23 am
Apparently the Speaker has said she doesn’t like being addressed as Madame. Usually Gillards calls her Deputy Speaker. Yeah – she must be rattled.

Now where have I heard of that sort of thing before?

Oh yes.

Barbara Boxer’s snippy confrontation with Brigadier General Michael Walsh on Capitol Hill on June 16, 2009 (Don’t call me “Ma’am,” call me “Senator”) wasn’t a display of a lack of proper military respect for Boxer, it was an open display of contempt from Boxer towards the people who serve in the military.

Same thing. It is not the person that is accorded the respect, and to be treated with dignity, but the position.

Let’s face it, if any of the ALP harridans were running the milk bar on the corner you couldn’t care less how they addressed anyone. But we’re talking of the highest offices in the land.

Could they truly get any dumber?

nilk

1 Nov 12 at 7:00 am
“Setting up a ‘slush fund’ for relelection purposes is quite normal.”

Union members are required to pay dues to the union. The dues are meant to fund the union’s activities. The activities are meant to benefit the members.

When a union official sets up a “slush fund” for re-election purposes, he or she is stealing the union members’ money and converting it – illegally – to his or her own purposes.

It amazes me that somehow Gillard is saved because she thought that they were simply stealing the union members’ money for a slush fund.

bobby b

1 Nov 12 at 7:16 am
I watched a video clip last night re the interesting contest between Julie Bishop and her question to the Prime Minister. Whilst I’ve played it 4 times, it was one of the best exchanges, I’ve seen in 40 years of following Canberra.
However, if the Prime Minister and her supporters think that this issue is going to go away must realise that Australia does have a right to ask if the PM is suitable to hold the top job.
We know from the Public Record that there’s only one person that will make up my mind and that’s me -the PM.
There’s a urgent need for a major inquiry into this country’s Union Movement and; perhaps some unions are very worried?

David

1 Nov 12 at 8:01 am
A Liberal MP got thrown out of Parliament, so hardly a win for them.

Lefties really do like the petty officials of big government shutting down debate. Something to warm the flint hearts for a micro-second I guess.

Token

1 Nov 12 at 8:08 am
…wheat deregulation…

Are we going to have a detailed discussion on the strengths/weaknesses, benefits/costs?

Come on guys, if you want to raise the topic, put some vigour into the debate…

…or why don’t you admit you do not understand the issue and that you just pick up the buzz words from the lefty government stunt.

Token

1 Nov 12 at 8:10 am
Gillard looked guilty and evasive. Anna Burke is obviously biased but I think she knows the PM is on thin ice. Bishop was magnificent.

Lloyd

1 Nov 12 at 8:30 am
I wonder who amongst the liberal front bench women will get the duty today. We’ve had the two Bishops so far this week. Maybe Mirabella and Stone will get a run. Would be kind of poetic if Stone as shadow for status of women started asking the tough questions, and Mirabella delivered the knock out (she’s put up with a lot from the emily’s listers). Gillard virtually accused Abbott of using a hand bag hit squad yesterday. He might as well give them all a run.

Keith

1 Nov 12 at 8:51 am
If the Liberals fuck up for being against deregulation, than the wine super tax is a complete and utter fuck up for the ALP, attacking the indigent and pensioners.

Gillard will not adequately answer questions about corruption, several other Ministers have been accused of similar wrongdoing, Williamson has been charged with 28 counts of fraud – a royal commission is the only way to go.

.

1 Nov 12 at 8:54 am
Catallaxy’s campaign poster for Liberals:

“Vote Abbott – Gillard had a crooked boyfriend 18 years ago”

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 8:57 am
“Vote Abbott – Gillard had sex with a married man”

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 8:58 am
“Vote Abbott – he’ll get the women in the party to ask the hard questions”.

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 8:59 am
“Vote Abbott – Consign the worst government in the country’s history to the rubbish bin”

Rabz

1 Nov 12 at 9:00 am
Julie Bishop was magnificent and I hope she keeps asking the question every day, next about the Power of attorney of the Blewitt man , wittness of the paper when not signed in the presence of( very bad legal jargon )The Gillard that lies,is a known Liar,what difference fraud ,,,,(big difference) go Julie Bishop. stay in the seat Tony Abbott, love to see the woman to woman battle and the PM cannot use mysoginist ist ist he is putting me down garbage.The Australian Voter is putting her down, a few stupid women who feel downtrodden all there lives ,now likes the pm because of her putrid speech. to sad for them , get your own backbone ,she the JULIAR is only for herself and will not help

lorraine palmer

1 Nov 12 at 9:01 am
Hmm

The better our responses are, the harder Steve trolls.

Gillard was (and still is) a crook with her boyfriend. She is a homewrecker. The hard questions are being asked and now the ALP stooges are claiming at the same time that Abbot hates women and it is because he is afraid of them (LOL). Of course it isn’t to shove that misogyny card up their jacksie, is it?

We must vote these contemptible fuckwits out of office.

.

1 Nov 12 at 9:08 am
The strap-on’s working a treat this morning: Dogshit’s singing for his supper like a yapping cocker spaniel. Imagine that: a married man being a whore for an unmarried woman.

Tom

1 Nov 12 at 9:10 am
Vote Abbott – ditch the witch

Lloyd

1 Nov 12 at 9:20 am
“Vote Abbott – he’ll get the women in the party to ask the hard questions”.

Well it’s the first of the month – pinch and punch and all that. And the time when I optionally interact with the troll.

So sfb, they’re hard questions.
Why do you say that ?
There I was thinking it was all a non-issue, a fake crisis. lol.

Keith

1 Nov 12 at 9:29 am
If so that’s a crime, as open and shut as is possible in this life and the Opposition and the police are ignoring it.

No no. The police are investigating.

Therefore we should have a result in, oh, three years or so.

jupes

1 Nov 12 at 9:32 am
It’s only the Liberals who think they are hard questions, Keith.

As someone earlier said – if Blewitt is telling the truth and the cheque was only used to TT the money to Slater and Gordon – then even the way this question was asked has a large element of smear.

I think it’s not a great look for Abbott to line up women to ask questions and for them to pretend he doesn’t know what they were going to ask.

But, as I say, far be from me to offer too much advice against a tactic which seems to be working in my favour (in that, as matters presently stand, I don’t want the Coalition to win the next election.)

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 9:48 am
Not so sure.

Chris has recently been appointed the Chair of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Law Enforcement (PJC-LE). The PJC-LE oversees the activities of the Australian Crime Commission (ACC) as well as the Australian Federal POlice (AFP).

Ripper

1 Nov 12 at 9:48 am
In response to Lloyd at 9.20, I have one more:

“Vote for Abbott – he’s not sexist, but loves the sexist vote”

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 9:59 am
It’s only the Liberals who think they are hard questions, Keith.

Is that really the best you can do ?
You legitimated the questions – fail.

I think it’s not a great look for Abbott to line up women to ask questions and for them to pretend he doesn’t know what they were going to ask.

Are you so self-unaware of your own sexism in that statement ? I would consider Abbott and Pyne to be very poor leaders if they didn’t strategise their Parliamentary operations. Don’t recall anyone pretending ignorance. Grateful if you can point that out in Hansard.

By the way, a TT bank transaction informs the recipient of the source of the funds, so your ‘smear’ is dead in the water.

Keith

1 Nov 12 at 10:10 am
SfB Abbott is like all politicians, he’ll take anyone’s vote. As will Gillard. You accuse others of smearing. Do you possess sufficient self awareness to see that when you claim he “loves the sexist vote” you are just smearing?

How about this?
Vote for Gillard – she isn’t corrupt, but loves the corrupt vote aka HSU, AWU

Gillard is as ethically challenged as you are intellectually challenged. If you honestly believe she has no case to answer, you should regard that as a compliment.

Lloyd

1 Nov 12 at 10:14 am
In response to Lloyd at 9.20, I have one more:

“Vote for Abbott – he’s not sexist, but loves the sexist vote”

The “sexist vote”. Fuckwit.

.

1 Nov 12 at 10:24 am
Looks like grampa SoB has had another one of his brain explosions.

Pops, better get a tea and sit by the fire for a while, your getting too excited and you know how the doctor has warned you that it is dangerous to do that with your medication.

Token

1 Nov 12 at 10:27 am
The Clint Eastwood Westerns

The Good, the Bad and the Ugly,

Composer Ennio Morricone now in his 80s

“Ectstacy of Gold”

Recent performance with soprano Susanna Rigacci

A memorable performance of music and soprano
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUNVBGHiBY0

Mike

Mike of Marion

1 Nov 12 at 10:28 am
[That sort of comment attracts spam. Sinc]

Tom

1 Nov 12 at 10:30 am
Bugger – wrong thread!!!!

Should have been “Open thread”

Sorry

Mike

Mike of Marion

1 Nov 12 at 10:38 am
The better our responses are, the harder Steve trolls.

It started this way last time too.

Steve’s nervous, remember his defence when it was first exposed? “If it’s such a big deal why aren’t the coalition asking her questions in parliament?” = “non story”.

And now that they are?

Mysogynist attacks on Bishop, “non story” and “look over there”.

Expect increasingly long frantic spiels, uglier rank mysogynist attacks on Bishop and more abuse, more frequently posted as the matter continues.

twostix

1 Nov 12 at 10:39 am
Pops, better get a tea and sit by the fire for a while, your getting too excited and you know how the doctor has warned you that it is dangerous to do that with your medication.

Steves reaction heartens me. It means the Liberals are bombing right over target.

Recall that on the morning, on the very morning that The Aus re-broke the story steve was literally ranting, big long multi-scroll rants that it was a “non story” that would never see the light of day.

One of his foundational “arguments” was that the opposition weren’t touching it.

Well, now they are.

Previous to that he used to rant that it was a “non story” because the media wouldn’t touch it, erm but then they did.

Steve’s wrong, always, about everything.

twostix

1 Nov 12 at 10:46 am
twostix: yes, indeed, the story is cutting a swathe through Newspoll, isn’t it?

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 10:50 am
Bishop destroyed Gillard.

TLR is obviously intimidated by her.

She just about wet her pantaloons yesterday.

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 10:50 am
Only the cutting is to Abbott’s popularity. Oh, so sorry.

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 10:50 am
You anaysis is spot-on, Twostix. Abbott and Bishop are right over the target. The ALP backbench and the trolls are nervous. Dogshit’s like a bird in a bushfire.

Tom

1 Nov 12 at 10:57 am
The look on Albanese’s face yesterday was like somebody had just presented him with a turd sandwich on a plate.

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 11:02 am
Check out the size of those pearls ms Gillard was wearing yesterday, they’re absolutely humungus, almost like ping pong balls.

candy

1 Nov 12 at 11:03 am
As far as putting women up against women is concerned, I can also suggest that the current crop of Coalition women appear as only try-hards compared to Labor women. Bishop has never impressed me – apart from the robotic stare that makes her hard to read, she’s always struck me as more style over substance; an assessment which is, of course, amplified to infinity when it comes to Bronwyn Bishop.

As for Sophie – I noted a couple of weeks back that even Paul Sheehan attacked her, so who am I to argue? I don’t pay much attention to her, to be honest, but when I have she also seems very shallow.

I used to consider Amanda Vanstone a pretty good, down to earth, common sense operator very much in the Howard mould – her type don’t seem to be around the Coalition at the moment.

The Labor women in cabinet do appear basically competent – Roxon stumbled about a bit over Slipper, but generally she performs well. I know people hate the way Plibersek rolls her eyes, but again, I don’t think there is evidence that she is an incompetent operator. Same for Wong.

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 11:04 am
Nothing gets poor old SFB more fired up than seeing his Dear Leader being shown up for the liar she is.

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 11:05 am
I think it should be “mold” in my last comment…

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 11:06 am
Ra-ra, steve from brisbane, shake your pom-poms for the old shrieking harridan.

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 11:07 am
“Vote Abbott – Gillard had sex with a married ~~man~~”

Plural fleabag, plural.

Nic

1 Nov 12 at 11:11 am
I don’t pay much attention to her, to be honest

you are obsessed with Mirabella and her sex life. Honestly.

Tiny Dancer

1 Nov 12 at 11:12 am
Expect increasingly long frantic spiels, uglier rank mysogynist attacks on Bishop and more abuse, more frequently posted as the matter continues.

Well gee, that’s something to look forward to. lol.

And in within those long frantic spiels, sfb will explain to the world how not only the banks’ internal controls failed, but also how Fintrac failed, and that Gillard couldn’t have possibly known the source of the funds. Thought not.
A solicitor, presiding over conveyancing would never confirm that the money was correctly paid, and from the expected source. No, no, no, solicitors never, ever check such boring details. /sarc

Keith

1 Nov 12 at 11:13 am
Steves reaction heartens me. It means the Liberals are bombing right over target.

I thought you’d get my meaning TwoStix.

When SoB goes trolling goes into a hand flapping frenzy you can be sure he’s worried.

Token

1 Nov 12 at 11:13 am
~~Fintrac~~ Austrac

Keith

1 Nov 12 at 11:15 am
Expect increasingly long frantic spiels, uglier rank mysogynist attacks on Bishop and more abuse, more frequently posted as the matter continues

Of course, she is used to it as she is a conservative woman.

Token

1 Nov 12 at 11:16 am
Stepford

Honest question.
Are you in the least concerned about the lying slapper accusations? Does any of this worry you?

JC

1 Nov 12 at 11:16 am
D’you reckon gillard is going to announce the election today?

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 11:18 am
The look on Albanese’s face yesterday was like somebody had just presented him with a turd sandwich on a plate.

Perhaps someone presented him with a mirror.

brc

1 Nov 12 at 11:20 am
sfb starts several rabbits running in an effort to cover his inept tracks.
You should really show us all how Austrac failed.
You’d be doing your country an immense service, to say nothing of mitigating Gillard’s guilt/incompetence.
Go for it.

Keith

1 Nov 12 at 11:24 am
>D’you reckon gillard is going to announce the election today?

No chance. That puts it directly before Christmas, and the retailers would scream and rant for upsetting the pre-christmas trading period and crowding out ‘go and buy stuff’ messages with political talk.

Besides, what Labor MP doesn’t want a taxpayer funded lavish Christmas holiday, probably complete with a study tour to Europe?

It’s not going to happen in 2012.

brc

1 Nov 12 at 11:28 am
Shrieking shitfer copping a kicking…

Keep up the good work, people.

Rabz

1 Nov 12 at 11:29 am
The Labor women in cabinet do appear basically competent

Since when?
Roxon clearly has zero understanding of her role as AG. Wong is a joke as Finance Minister, Ellis is basically invisible unless she’s doing a photo shoot, Plibersek sneers and patronizingly puts down anyone who dares to criticize Gillard but is essentially AWOL in her portfolio. The best performer is probably Macklin but that ain’t saying much.
Have Labor women ever been competent? Let’s see, there’s Keneally, Kirner and Lawrence. Not a whole lot of competence there. I have reason to like Bligh to some extent, but it takes a special kind of talent for a State Government to rack up $89bn in debt.
Have I missed anyone? Oh yeah Giddings, who unofficially subcontracts government policy to the unelected Wilderness Society and Palaszczuk who thinks it’s a good idea to attempt to block the Government in Queensland from sorting out the QH payroll mess by withholding relevant Cabinet documents despite the LNP Govt’s overwhelming mandate.

Competence? Stop fantasizing.

Lloyd

1 Nov 12 at 11:30 am
Perhaps Ms Gillard is announcing her engagement to her defacto. Seems about the right time, with a couple of good newspolls under the belt.

candy

1 Nov 12 at 11:32 am
Well that would send SFB over the moon. All he wants is for the lying slapper is to get married. I don’t think he agrees with her living in sin with the hairdresser.

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 11:36 am
Perhaps Ms Gillard is announcing her engagement to her defacto.

Good guess, Candy. Could be the latest McTernan strategy to buy a week’s ceasefire like the way he handled her dad’s death. On the other hand, maybe not. It wouldn’t work. And she won’t do anything unless it’s to her personal advantage.

Tom

1 Nov 12 at 11:39 am
Perhaps Ms Gillard is announcing her engagement to her defacto.

I think it’s too late for that. It’s gone beyond a personal likeability thing and is deep into distrust problems. People don’t believe a word she screeches.

Marrying some wet grinning concubine isn’t going to improve that, particularly as everyone would know it is a political stunt, unless they do it on the sly away from the cameras.

brc

1 Nov 12 at 11:45 am
Stepford

Honest question.
Are you in the least concerned about the lying slapper accusations? Does any of this worry you?

I notice this remains unanswered.

brc

1 Nov 12 at 11:45 am
And then she’d be a fully fledged stepmother and do mother/daughter pics in the women’s magazines and talk about motherly concerns.

candy

1 Nov 12 at 11:50 am
It’s not going to happen in 2012.

It’s not going to happen until the Saturday 30 November 2013

Why would this lot go to their doom early?

twostix

1 Nov 12 at 12:19 pm
Bronwyn Bishop is a hard-arse. I love her. She should have been Australia’s first female PM. Julie is a popular and long-standing member, universally liked by people who’ve met her and genuinely engaged with the electorate.

SfB is clearly a misogynist.

wreckage

1 Nov 12 at 12:29 pm
SfB is clearly a misogynist.

Steve thought it particularly funny yesterday to link to a (nutjob) blog that cast dispersions on Bronwyn Bishop specifically because she’s an older woman.

twostix

1 Nov 12 at 12:36 pm
Steve thought it particularly funny yesterday to link to a (nutjob) blog that cast dispersions on Bronwyn Bishop specifically because she’s an older woman.

What has Bronwyn got to do with Julie cornering the lying slapper? And why on earth would anyone click on any of SFB’s links?

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 12:44 pm
JC, brc,
I have asked SfB (Shameless ferkin’ Bivalve) similar questions about the accusations against our glorious leader many, many times. He just ignores it and keeps trolling away.

Skuter

1 Nov 12 at 1:00 pm
What has Bronwyn got to do with Julie cornering the lying slapper? And why on earth would anyone click on any of SFB’s links?

Oh you know, he was going on one of his regular misogynist rants about the prominent Liberal women in parliament.

twostix

1 Nov 12 at 1:02 pm
What has Bronwyn got to do with Julie cornering the lying slapper?

Bronwyn kicked off the line of questioning on Tuesday. Gillard’s response was “I request that this and all subsequent questions be put on notice” (not verbatim but close), and promptly departed the chamber amid disgusted jeers from the Opposition.
Bronny was the pathfinder, Julie was able to zero in on the target.

And why on earth would anyone click on any of SFB’s links?

You got me there. A fair stumper to be sure.
Why do people consume sfb’s red herrings ?
One of the great mysteries.

Keith

1 Nov 12 at 1:07 pm
I have explained my position and logic on this many times, Skuter – in particular the fact that Wilson has not spoken out at all to claim Gillard had knowledge. Michael Smith has spoken to him more than once, apparently. If Wilson claimed to have dirt on Gillard, we would have known by now.

It is therefore a pretty safe bet that he does not contradict Gillard’s 17 year record of denying knowledge and involvement in the wrongful application of the money.

But do go on with the bush lawyering, and amateur detective business and the smear that she must have known. Your case is very convincing: “she just must have known.”

Catallaxy slogan for the Coalition:

“Vote for Abbott – we can feel it in our bones that she must have known.”

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 1:12 pm
Just to summarize, steve, phd, assistant pencil sharpener at the Department of Wrongology, Macquarie University, insisted months ago that if there was any substance to Gillard’s misdeeds, then questions would be asked in Parliament. When the Opposition begins to ask questions in Parliament, sfb states that they shouldn’t be asked by women. Apparently asking questions in Parliament is man’s work.

Keith

1 Nov 12 at 1:13 pm
How’s that Austrac investigation coming, sfb ?
Keep at it, there’s definitely a Walkley in it for you.

Keith

1 Nov 12 at 1:16 pm
Thanks for that excellent summary, Keith. Yes, clearly SFB is a misogynist but we’ve known that for some time now.

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 1:18 pm
What is the Austrac investigation to which you refer?

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 1:19 pm
Dogshit, I’ll tell you something and I’ll tell you for free from many years of experience: the Gillard corruption story is breaking. Nothing a nobody like you says will make a skerrick of difference. Go get the popcorn, bumboy, and try to smile through the grimace.

Tom

1 Nov 12 at 1:22 pm
Bronnie Bishop has been a “mile wide but an inch deep” all of her career, and her severe hair styling and capacity for scary looking photos is legendary and incapable of credible denial by anyone on any side of politics.

That this is being held up as evidence of “misogyny”, especially from this slut-calling-at-the-drop-of-a-hat place is very funny.

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 1:24 pm
Stevie, when I have asked you whether the negligent behaviour of the dear leader (if you put the best possible spin on it) poses any problems for you, all I’ve gotten is the sound of crickets chirping…
I’ll give you one more chance to clear this up – does the negligent behaviour of the dear leader towards her client and employer trouble you in anyway? Does her negligent behaviour have any bearing on her suitability for high office?

3,2,1…GO!

Skuter

1 Nov 12 at 1:33 pm
What is the Austrac investigation to which you refer?

You know, you’re so believable when you pretend ignorance.
Bye now, see you next month, maybe. The way certain political events are moving even you might be too embarrassed show up here.

Keith

1 Nov 12 at 1:39 pm
Stevie, as an addendum to my last comment, even if she didn’t know, don’t you think she should, as a halfway competant salaried partner of a law firm have made it her business to know or should she have just done what she was told? If she was too incompetant to do the checks, how on earth can she be competant to be PM? She makes a big song and dance about ‘holding things up to the light’ and doing things in a measured, methodical way, yet she couldn’t even follow basic professional protocols in her previous employment.

Skuter

1 Nov 12 at 1:39 pm
No. Being a less than perfect solicitor should be no bar to higher office.

And if not sexually faithful during your marriage is is to be a bar, well, I suspect that about 1/3 to 1/2 of the Canberra politicians should hand in their resignation now.

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 1:40 pm
And if not sexually faithful during your marriage is is to be a bar, well, I suspect that about 1/3 to 1/2 of the Canberra politicians should hand in their resignation now.

Ooh I don’t think gillard has had that many affairs, SFB.

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 1:42 pm
“This video clip is well worth watching.”

What? A thirty second ad for Emirates?
Don’t bloody think so….

Winston Smith

1 Nov 12 at 1:43 pm
Oh dear, sfb characterizes a series of fraudulent transactions as “less than perfect”.

dover_beach

1 Nov 12 at 1:47 pm
Labeling Gillard a “slut” is accurate if inelegant. It doesn’t make the labeller a misogynist.
A more fitting description is that she is a lying facile duplicitous shrewish incompetent wasteful bumbling faux-prone condescending Machiavellian aurally obnoxious haughty stubborn unimaginative slandering deceitful covetous slut.

Lloyd

1 Nov 12 at 1:48 pm
By the way, where is the much promised review of the case by Peter Faris QC? That’s been talked about since August – 2 months ago now. Did I miss it?

Might it be that it doesn’t suit the Michael Smith/Andrew Bolt/Alan Jones smearfest and we won’t hear of it again?

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 1:54 pm
Being a less than perfect solicitor should be no bar to higher office.

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!! Champagne comedy.

Tom

1 Nov 12 at 1:56 pm
Stevieliar QC. Have you cleaned up after lunch? Sent your centrelink forms in? Cleaned the buttplugs?

Tiny Dancer

1 Nov 12 at 2:00 pm
tiny malevolent dancer up to his usual high quality contributions…

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 2:01 pm
Being a less than perfect solicitor should be no bar to higher office.

I agree, but what about being an utterly hopeless solictor, then? Not opening files, doing work outside of her area of expertise, not informing her colleagues of what she was doing, not checking with her client that the use of their name to carry out a whole range if activities like forming an association, opening and operating bank accounts, extracting ‘donations’, purchasing property, etc. was legitmate. All of these things are just a little bit more serious than ‘being less than perfect’. Don’t you think?

Skuter

1 Nov 12 at 2:04 pm
Candy, brc, I predicted the marriage scenario about a month after the Lying Slapper knifed the Rudd.
As a vote claw back, it’s still a winner. If she does it, then the election will be within three months.

Winston Smith

1 Nov 12 at 2:14 pm
Maybe Gillard’s charming step-daughter could be a flower girl.

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 2:16 pm
“. If she does it, then the election will be within three months.”

agree with all you say there Winston.

perhaps the bridesmaids/page boys etc can be Emerson’s and Wilson’s children.

candy

1 Nov 12 at 2:22 pm
I doubt whether Gillard would go down the marriage path. Remember:

“Prostitution takes many forms and is not only the exchange of money for sex. … Prostitution in marriage is the transaction of sex in return for love, security and house-keeping.”

I suspect Gillard’s personal views on marriage are strongly in agreement with the above and that she’d not go that far.
But I could be wrong. Every time she hits what I think could be her low point she goes even more subterranean.
Which raises an interesting question, should she indeed wed in office who is the prostitute?

Lloyd

1 Nov 12 at 2:24 pm
Yes, yes. Please keep up with the obsession about everything every politician was involved in or did in their student days.

Because, funnily enough, more people are probably aware of (and believe) the allegation that Abbott did a silly bit of intimidating wall punching when he was a student than they are concerned about Gillard having been at a conference at which some silly feminist motion about marriage was passed.

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 2:33 pm
candy, you’d have to do DNA screening to work out the parentage of that lot.
It’d be a bit like the Palm Island DNA project – as soon as the results were in, and the researchers could start working out who’d begat who, the study went tits up.
Never seen again…

Winston Smith

1 Nov 12 at 2:33 pm
Yes, yes. Please keep up with the obsession about everything every politician was involved in or did in their student days.

Like, say, Steve from Brisbane.

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 2:36 pm
Um, winston: it was Tony Abbott who got all muddled up on the “who’s the father” issue. Do you think it is wise trying to be a smartarse about Labor families and parentage in light of that?

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 2:36 pm
student days

Student, lawyer, whatevs, says SfB.

wreckage

1 Nov 12 at 2:36 pm
Re children, there was that odd “personal offense” comment about Gillard re abortion.

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 2:37 pm
Tony Abbott who got all muddled up on the “who’s the father” issue.

What a downright deadbeat you are, and a liar, SFB. You really are a gillard pom-pom girl.

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 2:39 pm
See folks, did you notice Stevie’s bait and switch? Now he will ignore my legitimate questions and go off on his own little tangent. Like the PM, he will claim I have answered all of these questions many times on the public record before. I’ve seen this pattern before. Pathetic.

I wonder what you have over Sinc, Stevie? If it was me, you’d have been bannded long ago you cowardly piece of troll excrement…

Skuter

1 Nov 12 at 2:40 pm
Here comes Bishop again!

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 2:41 pm
I wonder who will give the bride away and who will be best man and what kind of frock she’ll wear, and shoes.

candy

1 Nov 12 at 2:42 pm
To be perfectly honest, CL, a (theoretical) admission by Gillard of having an early term abortion might send you and a bunch of other wannabe Catholics here into a frenzy, but provided she explained that it was a difficult decision for her personally (as it is for most women, etc), I don’t think it would do her popularity any great harm at all.

There are many women – and partners of women – who have experienced this and are sympathetic to women who have had one.

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 2:44 pm
Speaker throws somebody out again.

Albanese tries to protect the Lying Rodent.

She refuses to answer whether or not she actually witnessed document as a solicitor.

This is big.

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 2:44 pm
This morning I wrote of SfB:

Expect increasingly long frantic spiels, uglier rank mysogynist attacks on Bishop and more abuse, more frequently posted as the matter continues.

And scrolling up the thread I see that the Unified Theory of SfB Wrongness is proven again.

So prepare yourself people this has got legs.

twostix

1 Nov 12 at 2:45 pm
I wonder who will give the bride away and who will be best man

I vote for Howesey to give her away…
Emmo for best man…

Skuter

1 Nov 12 at 2:45 pm
The Rodent: ‘I’ve answered these questions before.’

LOL.

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 2:49 pm
LOL Gillard “I have dealt with those questions in the media conference”….meanwhile….

Poll: Has Julia Gillard explained her involvement in the AWU scandal of the 1990′s to your satisfaction?

Yes 24%

No 76%

Total votes: 13380.

Poll closes in 3 hours

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 2:50 pm
Wow. Bishop just clobbered her again.

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 2:50 pm
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/pm-hits-out-at-coalitions-nasty-personal-politics-20121031-28jv8.html#poll

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 2:50 pm
Skuter, your questions are tedious and my answers can readily be anticipated given that I have indicated I will be supporting Gillard at the next election (as things presently stand).

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 2:50 pm
Now he will ignore my legitimate questions and go off on his own little tangent.

That’s his MO Skuter he’s not here to debate he’s here to be the resident wrongologist – a public service that he takes very seriously.

twostix

1 Nov 12 at 2:51 pm
The speaker cow is making sure that there will not enough Libs left to vote if anything arises..

max49

1 Nov 12 at 2:54 pm
what did Bishop ask?

val majkus

1 Nov 12 at 2:56 pm
Albanese strikes out “slush” (the Rodent’s own word); insists on “fund” only.

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 2:57 pm
The Government’s performance seems unattackable, so let’s talk about the Murdoch smear once again and use a woman just in case the boys get out of hand. Good thinking by the Liberals???

Scapula

1 Nov 12 at 2:59 pm
My questions are tedious? Well sir, your (non-)answers are pathetic. You come here day after day defending Gillard and yet when a blowtorch is applied to your logic, you take your bat and ball and run off – game over. You have just proved once again, that you are not here for a debate, you are here to stir the pot. To troll. And you wonder why you are the target of ridicule. Even that is too good for you…

Skuter

1 Nov 12 at 2:59 pm
She refuses to answer whether or not she actually witnessed document as a solicitor.

This is big.

The opposition should start reading the Miranda Rights as a stunt before the next session to take the p*** out of Gillard’s silence, or make jokes that the 5th amendment does not exist in Australia.

It is good to have it one the Hansard.

Now what will the opposition do with it next…

thinking, thinking…

We know the Love Media will impede any movement so let’s see how wily they are.

Token

1 Nov 12 at 3:01 pm
The Government’s performance seems unattackable, so let’s talk about the Murdoch smear once again and use a woman just in case the boys get out of hand. Good thinking by the Liberals???

Unhinged and a misogynist.

A two for one deal in that post.

twostix

1 Nov 12 at 3:01 pm
Labor’s backbench embarrassedly silent.

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 3:02 pm
Skuter, tedious person: I feel no obligation to “answer” what in fact is just a serious of propositions about the opinion you have formed on a matter. There is no “blow torch” being applied, your Bic isn’t even lighting as far as I’m concerned.

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 3:03 pm
Ah yes, the love media, the Canberra presstitutes and the ABC. gillard’s only assets.

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 3:03 pm
Speaking of questions, I note here that pro-abortion ‘Catholic’ Steve did a runner the other day when I asked him…

Do you support a woman’s right to kill her girl baby?

Yes or no?

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 3:04 pm
Bishop must be on about the power of attorney
Blewitt says he did not sign it in her presence

val majkus

1 Nov 12 at 3:05 pm
Yes C>L the barnyard is very silent…

max49

1 Nov 12 at 3:05 pm
>. Being a less than perfect solicitor should be no bar to higher office.

If I ever get indicted for fraud, I’m going to try that defense to the judge. Coupled with ‘young and naive’, it’s a sure winner to walk free as a bird. I was young and naive, and less than perfect. Gimme a break!

I wonder when the line slips from ‘less than perfect’ to ‘knowingly help perpetrate fraud’.

>It is therefore a pretty safe bet that he does not contradict Gillard’s 17 year record of denying knowledge and involvement in the wrongful application of the money.

The crook won’t dob in his ex-girlfriend, so she’s likely to be innocent. This will also be an idea if I ever end up in the dock. I will trot out my former lovers and get them to vouch for me. I’m sure the jury will be impressed.

>And if not sexually faithful during your marriage is is to be a bar

It wasn’t Gillards marriage she was being unfaithful to. There is a difference. All societies view the homewrecker more dimly than the wrecked.

What about the fleecing of the miners funeral fund to buy holiday units? Would participating in that qualify you for PM? If Abbott had done that, would that eclipse a made-up story about wall punching?

I’d like to say we are over the target, but it’s not really flak coming up. More like children blowing daisies at the fuselage. The target must be over the horizon, because they’ve sent out Dad’s army to try and stifle the issue here.

brc

1 Nov 12 at 3:05 pm
“Um,it was Tony Abbott who got all muddled up on the “who’s the father” issue.”

Actually Steve, I’ve read that issue and it appears they chose adoption not abortion, and kept in touch over the years and wondered how the child was getting on. The young man finally got in contact and Tony Abbott and his family welcomed him as his son and daughter’s half brother.
And you now it turns out T.Abbott was not the father.

It must have been a bit traumatic time for the young man to go through all that
(and difficult for the ABbott family who so warm heartedly brought him into their family – Mrs Abbott a really lovely woman)

candy

1 Nov 12 at 3:05 pm
She refuses to answer whether or not she actually witnessed document as a solicitor.

Remember, she was merely ‘less than perfect’.

Less than perfect soliticors forge documents all the time. In between setting up slush funds by lying to state governments.

brc

1 Nov 12 at 3:08 pm
And then the documents disappear from a Labor ‘law’ firm and the WA archives.

Just a coincidence.

C.L.

1 Nov 12 at 3:09 pm
If I ever get indicted for fraud, I’m going to try that defense to the judge. Coupled with ‘young and naive’, it’s a sure winner to walk free as a bird. I was young and naive, and less than perfect. Gimme a break!

Fun Fact: Make sure you spend years stacking the judiciary with all your old mates before hand so you can be sure they’ll drag everything out so the statute of limitations are exceded before you get to court.

Token

1 Nov 12 at 3:10 pm
Oh, I forgot. Less than perfect solicitors also routinely help steal mining widows endownment funds.

brc

1 Nov 12 at 3:11 pm
Fun Fact: Make sure you spend years stacking the judiciary with all your old mates before hand so you can be sure they’ll drag everything out so the statute of limitations are exceded before you get to court.

Hmm, sounds like I better join the ALP before I start defrauding workers then. Maybe they can hook me up with a less than perfect solicitor who can set up the odd slush fund or two?

brc

1 Nov 12 at 3:12 pm
If what Blewitt says is true (that is she was not present when he signed that power of attorney) it’s certainly very sloppy work; Blewitt says Wilson brought him that document in Perth, he signed in Blewitt’s presence and the document was witnessed at a later stage by Gillard – presumably she was in Melbourne
Blewitt says he signed in Perth so for Gillard to have witnessed his signature she would have to have been in Perth and in his presence at the time he signed

val majkus

1 Nov 12 at 3:13 pm
Maybe they can hook me up with a less than perfect solicitor who can set up the odd slush fund or two?

No problem. Plenty to choose from here.

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 3:13 pm
SfB:

Skuter, tedious person

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…

*deep breath in*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…

Skuter

1 Nov 12 at 3:15 pm
Yes, skuter, answering questions that are difficult to answer is very tedious work, even for the rusted on.

brc

1 Nov 12 at 3:17 pm
Just finished the trust account reconciliation. Just saying – clearly Ms Gillard opened a file on the S&G system for the purchase of the property by the boyfriend/bagman. So that means the money transferred by Blewitt for the purchase should have been posted showing the account from which the money money came it’d be really interesting to see the money was entered on the Trust ledger.

Gabriella

1 Nov 12 at 3:17 pm
QT was interesting, Again JB was on the attack (as mentioned above). JB will probably go for the Goldfields Fund next.

Interesting to note Sophie Mirabella had to withdraw twice, i think she will also take up the attack.

Gillzilla seems a bit more rattled by this.

One point i think is most worthy of note is Joe Hockey was ejected for saying “We love you swanny”.

Probably OT material but – meh.

Carpe Jugulum

1 Nov 12 at 3:18 pm
Oops

it’d be really interesting to see how the money was entered on the Trust ledger.

Gabriella

1 Nov 12 at 3:18 pm
Gabriella Blewitt says he wrote a cheque on the Slushfund in Perth and the money was TT’d from the Bank in Perth, so more than likely the trust acct ledger nominates the payee into the trust acct as the Cth Bank

val majkus

1 Nov 12 at 3:35 pm
>so more than likely the trust acct ledger nominates the payee into the trust acct as the Cth Bank

It does. If you look at the gen ledger entries that Michael Smith has on his site, you can see it’s a TT coming in, rather than a banked cheque.

brc

1 Nov 12 at 3:47 pm
Foiled again, hey Gab?

You know, have you ever considered the possibility that Gillard might be telling the truth?

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 3:53 pm
Ummm, SFB, you dimwit, that’s not me.

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 3:54 pm
Oh yeah. I thought you had a sudden urge to be more formal.

I know, I should have recognised you by your gravatar that indicates your transition to a man is now complete. It’s unfortunate you look like him, but maybe it wasn’t clear how it would end up before the hormone course.

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 3:58 pm
You know, have you ever considered the possibility that Gillard might be telling the truth?

It doesn’t absolve her of anything. It just gives a level of plausible deniability. Just like unopened files, files gone missing, and untraceable cash payments.

I wonder why all those actions for plausible deniability? Why not do it the normal way?

How do you bank a cheque for the S&G trust account and get the bank to wire the money anyway? Is that something that banks offer?

brc

1 Nov 12 at 3:58 pm
You really are quite the stupid misogynistic pig, SFB. But really, you don’t have to keep proving it to us. We already know.

Are you going to threaten to slap me in the face again?

Gab

1 Nov 12 at 4:01 pm
I know, I should have recognised you by your gravatar that indicates your transition to a man is now complete.

Wow. It’s a good thing that only the right is sexist, hey?

wreckage

1 Nov 12 at 4:02 pm
You know, have you ever considered the possibility that Gillard might be telling the truth?

LOL.

dover_beach

1 Nov 12 at 4:04 pm
You are a disgusting piece of vermin, Dogshit.

Tom

1 Nov 12 at 4:04 pm
“have you ever considered the possibility that Gillard might be telling the truth?”

You mean, about her witnessing a signature in Perth when she was no where near the place?
To have witnessed that signature is an impossibility, so you can quickly reject that she is telling the truth.

Easy peecy now you have the info, eh boy, (you don’t have to thank me).

Alfonso

1 Nov 12 at 4:13 pm
You know, have you ever considered the possibility that Gillard might be telling the truth?

Interesting, is that something you learned in the bush legal school you attended to get that Wheetie’s Pack QC qualifications?

Those of us that are not hacks learned that there is more truth in document trails than in the statements people make.

If Gillard was innocent she would’ve stated she saw Blewitt sign the document on the date nominated.

She did not.

The fact some of the documentation has been “lost” tells us there are many hands involved trying to stop the truth from being known.

Token

1 Nov 12 at 4:41 pm
Token: I have made it clear – I consider the key point to be whether she had knowledge of the tainted source of funds that boyfriend Wilson was using.

She wouldn’t be the first solicitor to witness something as a favour to a friend – surely a dangerous practice, and one which the Law Society would (I guess) reprimand her for if it came to light for some reason, but in fact it did not facilitate a fraud (in that Blewitt did sign the document in question.)

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 4:52 pm
No Stevie, the key point is, as a solicitor, did she have any inkling that the association she was directly involved in setting up might be used for fraudulent purposes? What checks did she make to protect her employer and her employer’s client, the AWU? Even if she wasn’t aware of fraud, did she do anything to prevent that possibility from taking place, given that what she was doing was highly unusual? If it was all above board, how come she didn’t cover herself and her employer by notifying someone else of what she was up to or keep proper records?

Even if we take her version of events as given, don’t you think such negligence should disqualify her from any position of power?

Of course not. Your answer (if you decide to give one) is predictable – I’m voting for Gillard because she’s awesome, oh and Tony swaggers…you’ve already destroyed your credibility today. I’m just having fun smoking you out into the open even further…

Skuter

1 Nov 12 at 5:07 pm
Does anyone think that Blewitt really came up with the idea of banking the cheque on his own? If you read his orignal words he doesn’t appear to be too clever.

I would say the advice to bank the cheque and get the bank to transfer, rather than give the cheque directly to the solicitor came from somewhere else. Hmm, let me think who would give that advice? It was either Wilson or his lawyer, because nobody else was supposed to know what was going on.

You might assume the solicitor had nothing to do with, but then the solicitor went to extraordinary lengths to cover up the entire slush fund from the rest of the firm, breaking firm rules and getting themselves fired in the process.

Now. Let’s just look at the possibilities.

The solicitor didn’t know about the source of the funds despite creating the entity for the two people involved, including witnessing a signature when they weren’t present. The solicitor did this all off the books, and didn’t open a file, despite firm procedure clearly requiring this, even on pro-bono work. The solicitor lied about it, and when caught because a greek builder turns up demanding money at the solicitors client, leaks a little bit of truth to the partners. But never reveals the existence of the property, despite having slept under it’s roof many times. The solicitor fails to inform the partnership of the full extent of what has been going on, leaving them to find all the mess as times goes by. Then, years later, when people are searching for the paper work, the very paper work that could prove said solicitors innocence, well, blow me down, the paperwork has gone missing.

So the possibilities are that the solicitor was young and naive, and less than perfect, and had no idea all this wasn’t above board. Or the other is that the solicitor knew full well what was going on and was actively involved, either through greed, or through dumb devotion to a conman.

So yes, you could forgive a solicitor for one or two little indiscretions. But a complete pattern of secrecy and deceipt, spanning almost two decades, well, it gets a little bit hard to swallow. In fact the Australian public is choking on it as we speak, because the apologists not interested in the truth are trying to stuff a whopping story down their neck.

Let’s apply the Tony Abbot test : if Tony Abbott had done this, do you think it would be front page news day after day? A joke by Alan Jones got about two weeks airplay. A made-up story about Sydney uni ran for a week.

brc

1 Nov 12 at 5:17 pm
I mean, FFS, just give up on Gillard and go back to Rudd or something. History will not be kind to the Gillard period. And future Labor leaders will spend years trying to wash off the stench of the AWU + HSU + every other union scandal to come.

brc

1 Nov 12 at 5:19 pm
And future Labor leaders will spend years trying to wash off the stench of the AWU + HSU + every other union scandal to come.

I dream of seeing Bill Ludwig, Bill Shorten and Paul Howes giving testimony at the Reith Royal Commission into union governance.

Skuter

1 Nov 12 at 5:28 pm
Ms Gillard has covered her and Wilson’s tracks very carefully. She’s not a “less than perfect” solicitor, I would say she was a very clever solicitor, she was a partner in the firm after all and they must have spotted talent.

‘Less than perfect’ would have been spotted years before, and would have been dealt with years before. It was a top firm.

candy

1 Nov 12 at 6:04 pm
Every transaction to do with that transfer will be logged in Austrac. Even the simple cashing of a qualifying cheque is logged there. Any amount over $10000 at that time (now $5000) qualifies.
Each step of the process, from presentation of the cheque through to the relevant transfers between accounts and entities is all there. Austrac records are regularly accepted as evidence in prosecutions.
And just to be clear, if a transaction was reported to Austrac that said effectively that the source was unknown, very loud sirens go off. The only remaining issue is whether the Austrac records still exist, and did Gillard’s reach extend beyond the S&G and WA govt files.

Keith

1 Nov 12 at 6:44 pm
So what, Keith?

steve from brisbane

1 Nov 12 at 6:52 pm
I’ve actually had a conversation with Sophie Mirabella,after listening to her speak at a function. To be brief, she would chew SFB in two bites and spit him out without pausing for breath in her speechifying!
That is one feisty,gutsy little lady

Jazza

1 Nov 12 at 7:11 pm
My explanation was sufficient the first time steve, but if you need further help let me know on December 1.

candy, she wasn’t smart enough.

Keith

1 Nov 12 at 7:15 pm
You know, have you ever considered the possibility that Gillard might be telling the truth?

I guess, there is a first time for everything.

Rob

1 Nov 12 at 7:26 pm
steve from brisbane

So she was right with going to the Goldfields to channel money meant for deceased workers families into what she admits she knew was a sllush fund?

Can you seriously come up with a defence for that?

Please try, anything…

thefrollickingmole

1 Nov 12 at 7:47 pm
So what Stevieliar QC? You do dumb very well. Wash the dishes dummy

Tiny Dancer

1 Nov 12 at 7:47 pm

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