You claimed to have graduated before your son was born, around 20 years ago (a couple of years ago), from a class of 3000 commerce students from an Australian university based in Sydney, at the same time as you worked full time.
No Australian university has thus far produced a graduating year of pass/honours undergrad commerce students over 3000 students, and enrolments have surged since the mid 1990s.
You are full of shit.
Now that we’ve totally destroyed your lunatic argument from authority, let’s resume by saying your other (economic) arguments are just as unhinged and that you are probably jinmaro/phil.
Craig Emerson, the new Asian Century Commander for Australia:
If Australia is to be a winner in the Asian Century we must be more competitive, which means more productive and innovative. The government already has a reform program built on the five pillars of productivity growth: education, innovation, infrastructure, and reform of the tax and regulatory systems.
Yes, we know all about Labor’s “reforms”:
AGRICULTURE Minister Joe Ludwig’s department was warned that banning the live cattle trade to Indonesia would be “viewed very badly” by our biggest neighbour and any suspension would be “felt acutely” by northern Australian farmers.
Dozens of emails released under Freedom of Information, following a year-long battle by the opposition, also reveal the rushed imposition of the ban at midnight on June 7 last year, with the Indonesian warning received just 12 hours earlier.
The chain of correspondence shows that the Department of Agriculture did not “activate the Indonesian handling strategy” until the day before the ban and Senator Ludwig did not speak to his counterpart minister Suswono until 5pm on the Tuesday night – seven hours before he ordered the trade be suspended.
The government received legal advice from the Australian Government Solicitor at 2pm on Monday, June 6. But it only sought to discover whether international legal advice had been obtained the day after the ban following a report in The Australian that Indonesia was considering going to the World Trade Organisation on the basis the shutdown was discriminatory.
Departmental statements also reveal that cattle producers were not properly consulted because, “given the circumstances in which the order needs to be made, detailed consultation with industry has not been possible”.
Another WINNING! strategy from Labor provided by their Facebook & GetUp consultants.
Gotta catch some Z’s, flying off to Vegas lights.
Too bad about those guys, fighting for their lives all night.
High-way tooooo the Vegas zone
Turned my back on guys inside the danger zone.
When this all comes out (and it will), Obama’s name is going to be shit forever. I hope nobody assassinates him, because nothing could be worse than having to live forty more years with the moral stain of what he’s done hanging around his neck.
And if anyone’s calling Sandy “unprecedented”, it might be because New York is statistically a city and state of softcocks who aren’t used to anything bad happening. Swirly atmospheric shit is for black people in Louisiana, murdered by Bush (/sarc), or for redneck hicks in the flyover states. (On the topic of which, who would pay to see a Wizard of Oz remake with Honey Boo Boo as Dorothy?)
The whole Sandy thing was was so pathetic. NYC, once the most resilient and powerful city in the world, reduced to (according to the media) a whimpering mess on the analyst’s couch because of a storm that does not even approach the severity of previous ones.
People from Florida were rightly contemptuous. “You call that a storm? THIS is a storm” and so on.
Strangely, reports are filtering through that most things are working pretty well within a few days. But disaster porn, and the Cult of Climate Doomsayers, seem to have dominated the popular coverage.
Oh, and in case anyone still held any hope for the once respected journal, The Economist, they have come out in support of Obama. I spit on them. It’s like Elvis shaving his head and joining an unknown death metal group, where he just plays bass.
It will go like this: Swan announces that Treasury modeling has determing that as Australians can afford to pay so many taxes there will now be a tax on all taxation paid. The Taxing Taxes Tax.
Maybe it’s going to go a little something like this:
Lisa:
If I’m going to bail the country out, I’ll have to raise taxes, but in my speech I’d like to avoid calling it a, “painful emergency tax.”
Milhouse:
What about, “colossal salary-grab.”
Lisa:
See, that has the same problem. We need to soften the blow.
Milhouse:
Well, if you just want to out-and-out lie … [Lisa doesn't object] Okay, we could call it a, “temporary refund adjustment.”
Lisa:
I love it.
[Later, Lisa is on TV]
Lisa:
My fellow Americans and voting illegal aliens, I will not mince words. Your country needs you. That’s why today I’m proposing a temporary refund adjustment.
Moe:
Refund adjustment? Hey, sounds good to me.
Lenny:
Sure beats a tax.
Carl:
We love you, President Simpson.
They already do so in France, I think, well they did a few years ago. papachango can confirm.
Well that it’s then Gab. Not only did they give us PoMo, Foucault, Lacan and Sartre, now they have given us a new taxation method. Time to invade France.
ENOUGH is enough. Time to bring out the regulatory strong arms to swoop us up because we clearly can’t do it on our own.
Action is most certainly needed. Exercise. FFS it was the dietary advice about carbs that paved the way, got everyone addicted to sugar spikes as kids. There are even studies which show that sugar has addictive qualities. They created the problem they are complaining about.
Yep, reminds me of a great line in that movie I saw last night. One soldier stated he doesn’t like murder. The sargent replies: We murder people, we kill animals.
Mitt Romney is making a last-minute run at Pennsylvania – or else it’s just a head fake designed to trick President Obama into spending money to defend a state where he has led for a long time.
Either way, Obama’s campaign did buy $1.6 million on air time Tuesday to run 30-second and 60-escond spots through Election Day in the Philadelphia and Pittsburgh television markets.
Meanwhile, Romney’s campaign had reserved at least $931,475 worth of time by late Tuesday afternoon in Philadelphia; Pittsburgh; Scranton-Wilkes Barre; Erie and Johnstown-Altoona, according to media buyers tracking political spending.
The pro-Romney Restore our Future super PAC made a $2.1 million ad buy in the state on Monday, and another GOP group, American Crossroads, added $1.2 million Tuesday for ads that will begin airing Wednesday. That’s in addition to the $1.1 million already committed by yet another Republican super PAC, Americans for Job Security.
So for the last week of the campaign, Romney and his allies plan to spend about $5.4 million in a state that no Republican presidential candidate has carried since 1988, and where polls show Obama with a consistent lead of from 4 to 6 percentage points.
The last minute spending bump is sure to feed the Republican message that Romney has momentum and is able to “expand the map” of winnable target states; Romney forces have also made recent advertising forays into reliably blue Minnesota and Michigan, and Obama’s campaign has countered that spending as well.
UNION POWER
New Jersey town turns away Alabama volunteer utility workers because they’re nonunion
New Jersey made their (unionized) bed; they can lie in it. Sans power and water, for all I’m concerned. Maybe it’ll learn ‘em something. #TeachableMoment
Democratic leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi headlined a high-dollar fundraiser in May that was attended by U.S.-based Islamist groups and individuals linked by the U.S. government to the Hamas jihad group and to the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood movement.
The donors at the undisclosed May 16 event included Nihad Awad, the co-founder of the Council on American Islamic Relations, according to data provided by the nonpartisan Investigative Project on Terrorism.
The CAIR group was named an unindicted conspirator in a 2007 trial of a Hamas money-smuggling group.
and
The Democrats are not expected to recapture the House in this year’s elections, prompting widespread rumors that Pelosi will retire.
That endorsement from Bloomberg has become suddenly toxic.
“Yo asshole mayor, turn on your television (instead of being so greedy to get on it) the city is in full blown crisis mode, there are huge disorganized lines for buses, gas, food, water, no trains into Manhattan from Brooklyn, tunnels shut, half the city without power, smoldering ruins in queens, hungry, sick, grieving, fed up human beings, THESE ARE YOUR FELLOW NEW YORKERS (even though your life reflects nothing of theirs). AND YOU WANT TO SHIT ON THEM BY ALLOWING THE MARATHON! THIS IS YOUR LEGACY BERMUDABERG, the mayor that doesn’t give a shit about his people, oh, except to ban big gulps.”
New York’s Incredible Shrinking Mayor.
“What would the world have thought of Mayor Nagin if he’d diverted resources from Katrina relief efforts to holding a Mardi Gras parade? Mayor Bloomberg may be about to find out. . . . . As the true dimensions of the damage in New York gradually appear, as the death toll mounts and as chaos at the gas stations and devastation in Staten Island undercut the narrative that the city has responded effectively to the challenge, Mayor Bloomberg looks more like the hapless officials of New Orleans than Rudy Giuliani or Chris Christie. The decision to divert badly needed resources to the Marathon looks callow. Big talk about climate change fails to impress; surely if the Mayor was so concerned about climate change he could have invested more time in flood preparations.”
A Play for Pa.
Exclusive: Romney’s heading to Pennsylvania as GOP drops millions on ads
Mitt Romney is set to make a last-minute campaign stop on Sunday in Pennsylvania, The Daily has learned.
Details are still being determined, but two top Pennsylvania Republican officials and a Romney adviser said a large rally in the vote-rich Philadelphia suburbs is in the works for Sunday. Romney aides confirmed the coming visit after initial publication of this article.
“It’s going to be a huge rally and it’s going to be very successful,” one senior level Republican official said.
“They said all along, ‘if you get within a certain margin we’ll consider it,’” another top Republican said. “They said they’d come the final week, and we got there.”
[Also on The Daily: The case against Romney exuberance in Pennsylvania]
The coming appearance by Romney would be just his third since wrapping up the GOP nomination, and his first in weeks. It is also one of the most serious signs yet that his campaign views the state, which hasn’t voted for a Republican presidential candidate since 1988, as winnable. Rep. Paul Ryan is visiting the state on Saturday.
The Republican National Committee also announced Thursday that it’s spending $3 million in TV advertising on Pennsylvania airwaves for the final week of the campaign — bringing total GOP spending for the final week to a massive $11.8 million, according to a source tracking the air war.
Public polls continue to show President Obama sporting a modest but steady lead, but Republicans are boasting of internal numbers that show the race deadlocked. Obama’s campaign has ramped up its own ad buys in the state in recent days in response to the Republican offensive, but Democrats are set to be massively outspent on TV in the closing days.
the city is in full blown crisis mode, there are huge disorganized lines for buses, gas, food, water, no trains into Manhattan from Brooklyn, tunnels shut, half the city without power, smoldering ruins in queens, hungry, sick, grieving, fed up human beings
I say, take away their government-provided amenities for a few days and these progressive sophisticated New Yorkers are pretty helpless featherless bipeds, aren’t they.
Come the zombie apocalypse, they’re toast. Go the red-state bitter-clinging disaster-prep mob they’ve laughed down their noses at their whole lives.
tbh, most of Weather Report is hard going. Birdland was transcendal. So was Jaco Pastorius, the bass player. I just bought myself a new Fender American Standard fretless jazz bass to muck around with. But but I find most jazz soulless and intellectualised.
RELATIONS between the federal government and Rob Oakeshott have turned poisonous after a senior cabinet minister initiated legal action against the NSW independent MP concerning comments he made about the mining tax.
Mr Oakeshott, whose support is vital to keeping Labor in power and Mr Ferguson in his job, has reacted angrily to the legal letter, which he received on Thursday, describing it as ”stupid”.
I saw that when I peeped at Question Time the other day. The zombie was incapable of answering questions, called other people names, and her hair was red with blood. Run!
How did the MSM allow that report to slip through to the public, when they’ve been “tasked” with getting their boy up on Tuesday – asleep on the job?
Indeed, who authorised the public servants in their Centrelink equivalent to come up with such a wrong answer – such a “not optimal” “bump in the road” – at this time? Heads will roll …
Anyway, this increase is a mis-speak (I do love that stupid, stupid word).
But look, there’s Michelle – isn’t she wearing a lovely frock? The US needs four more years of Michelle. The US deserves four more years of Michelle for voting as they did four years ago.
He just needs more Vitamin C, Gab. Or aspirin. Or something.
Nope, sorry, I’m going to be up til about 7.00am. Just warming up so Run. What I need is to recover my concentration. It gone walkabout I tell you. I look over here, over there … .
I don’t hide my sarcasm GAB, I throw in peoples’ faces. It was good for Patton, it was good for Rickover, it was good enough for Pauli so it’ll do for me.
What would the unemployment rate be today if the job participation rate were the same as when Obama took office? And what about underemployment?
That’s a biggie. Everyone here knows someone who’s either given up looking for work and has timed out on unemployment, or who needs a full-time job but is getting 4 hours a week at Home Depot which officially takes them off the rolls. A cousin’s daughter, uni graduate, is technically one of the tens of millions “living in poverty” though not “unemployed” because she scored 4 hours a day, twice a week, of working at a tanning salon for minimum wage. Of course she’s a “Media Studies” graduate so one might say she brought it on herself, but still…
Please RT: @fema: Text SHELTER + your ZIP code to 43362 (4FEMA) to find the nearest shelter in your area. Standard text rates apply.#Sandy— The White House (@whitehouse) November 2, 2012
BLOOMBERG: Power To The One Percent! “As hundreds of thousands of Big Apple residents suffer in homes left without power by Hurricane Sandy, two massive generators are being run 24/7 in Central Park — to juice a media tent for Sunday’s New York City Marathon. And a third ‘backup’ unit sits idle, in case one of the generators fails. The three diesel-powered generators crank out 800 kilowatts — enough to power 400 homes in ravaged areas like Staten Island, the Rockaways and downtown Manhattan.”
Good Morning fellow Cats.
I take it that I am now on a Super ignore list as I haven’t seen any movement on my posts on the Tuesday forum. I don’t think that my appearance on this site can be blamed on Hesus as he appears to be the chap who resents me most. I will continue to post information from this date and you can take it or leave it as you collectively choose. I am not in League with any Trolls, I am not a member of any political party, and my views however opposed to yours are entirely my own.
I am pleased to see that the trivial nature of your posts is to return to more meaningful subjects.
Personal likes and dislikes should not enter discussion. I look forward to a meaningful relationship in the future. The Cat should be a place for the exchange and evaluation of facts, not an agony Aunt column.
That wasn’t informative, Alan, just more spam. You are a monument to the lax moderation at this blog, a self-satisfied also-ran on SfB’s level of utility, which is to say none at all.
Delingpole has another go at the BBC over climate change perfidy, in a broadside that applies to our ABC as well. There is ample evidence that the ABC has taken one side and excluded or undermined the other. Their abandonment of the historical and honorable role of an impartial national broadcaster is beyond the pale, it is subversion.
>I still have a ‘borrowed’ Telegraph Road road sign from Woodbridge, VA.
I have a full-size cardboard London tube map from the Circle line somewhere (unless I finally threw it out in the last move). Definitely from young and naive days, when I was less than perfect. The thing is huge, I don’t recall precisely how it was liberated, and the available witnesses testimony is decidedly shaky as well.
My problem with Klein is he is a dishonest fruit loop. He has dramatic, highly critical headings (Romney is weak, let’s forget about Benghazi) and then admits in smaller print “well actually, I can’t see the future”.
UNION POWER
New Jersey town turns away Alabama volunteer utility workers because they’re nonunion
Of course they union is going to turn them away – expanding the available workforce will cut into the overtime available to the existing unionised workers. Do they care if residents are without power for longer than necessary? Not if they’re on extended shifts with double and triple time…
Treating Benghazi as a spontaneous mob attack inflamed by an offensive, Islamophobic video was a flimsy story, but the liberal media was quite willing to accept it without question. Our politically corrupt media not only went along with that nonsense, but so crucified Romney for daring to comment on what happened that Romney shut up. The story of the offensive video played to Obama’s progressive base, which believes that there is no war on terror — just bad behavior by bigoted Americans that causes Muslims to attack us.
Obama’s ideology blinded him to the need to defend American lives under al-Qaeda attack on 9/11/12. He put his ideology and his politics ahead of Americans lives. He let four brave men serving our country fight without help and die.
This decision will doom Obama’s chances of re-election if widely known. That is why our politically corrupt media is censoring this news as hard as it can. They do not want the majority of Americans to know. But they cannot keep the lid on. It is too big, and too awful. The only question is one of time before Election Day.
Can’t see the MSM jumping into this before the election, so surely this would mean an impeachment after the election.
Biden for President??
RELATIONS between the federal government and Rob Oakeshott have turned poisonous after a senior cabinet minister initiated legal action against the NSW independent MP concerning comments he made about the mining tax.
Mr Oakeshott has been threatened legally by the Minister for Resources and Energy, Martin Ferguson, after comments Mr Oakeshott made to The Sydney Morning Herald last week after it was revealed the mining tax would make next to no revenue in its first three months.
Mr Oakeshott, whose support is vital to keeping Labor in power and Mr Ferguson in his job, has reacted angrily to the legal letter, which he received on Thursday, describing it as ”stupid”.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 1:36 am
Now, wouldn’t it be interesting if you we’re a government member appalled at its performance and sleeze and were looking for ways to bring it down without being labelled a turncoat or labor rat?
UNION POWER
New Jersey town turns away Alabama volunteer utility workers because they’re nonunion
Doesn’t the US have: Disaster Relief
Where civilian resources are inadequate, unavailable or cannot be mobilised in time, emergency Defence Assistance to the Civil Community arrangements enable the Australian Defence Force to contribute in order to save human life, alleviate suffering and prevent loss of animal life or property.
The government-funded doom wailers thought they’d be able to use the American storm to support current grant applicants Down Under – and no-one would fact-check it:
AUSTRALIA’S Climate Commission has misrepresented data from the leading US meteorological bureau to highlight a link between climate change and the severity of Superstorm Sandy which this week crippled New York.
In a statement on the disaster that hit North America on Monday, the federal government-sponsored Climate Commission said “all the evidence suggests that climate change exacerbated the severity of Hurricane Sandy”.
Matthew England, chairman of the commission’s Science Advisory Panel, said it was important to get the message out that storms today were “operating in a different environment than they were 100 years ago”.
Professor England said increased humidity, higher sea levels and warmer sea surface temperatures were all contributing to the severity of storms.
The commission quoted data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration that “the temperature of the surface waters from which Sandy drew energy were three to five degrees warmer than average”.
However, senior NOAA climate scientist Martin Hoerling said the higher sea-surface temperatures quoted by the Climate Commission were not significant in relation to Sandy.
Of course, the most of the MSM won’t run anything that contradicts the narrative. The children who run the news service at my local sports station, SEN, are still running a couple of sentences of the CC press release almost verbatim, along with the latest Barry Obama storm-themed election propaganda.
I’m such a newbie. I won’t be able to place my bet on Mitt until Tues as I’ve got to wait for my BPAY transfer to clear. Honestly, why the banks delay clearance of monies that are actually in an account is beyond me. I hope those wonderful odds don’t fall.
Next week’s question time should be fun with Julie Bishop armed with Hedley Thomas’ latest article. The Red Dalek will have to correct her statements to the House or face the Privileges Committee. While that is a Labor stacked joke (Windsor sits on it), the optics of a referral for misleading the House are very bad, tying into the Juliar meme, which she (not misogynist™) will wish to avoid.
The idiot New York mayor has been shamed into cancelling Sunday’s marathon:
Mayor Bloomberg is running into trouble over his decision to hold Sunday’s marathon – with even longtime political ally Christine Quinn questioning his decision.
“The decision to move forward with the marathon is not a decision I would have made,” the City Council speaker said in a Friday statement. “That said, I think we need to look forward and continue to focus on the task at hand — helping those without electricity, food and water and rebuilding our city.”
Quinn, one of the front-runners to succeed Bloomberg next year, joined a growing chorus of voices questioning the mayor’s decision to host 40,000 runners as New Yorkers struggle with Sandy’s aftermath: Homes destroyed, lives lost, lack of life’s daily staples for many.
The same thing happened to me D-B; I hoped to get some of the 5.10 on offer on Mitt prior to the first debate but was held up by B-Pay. Mitt’s odds are still drifting out in the market despite the poor unemployment numbers, so I imagine that the gift odds will still be available, although I expect they’ll tighten a bit closer to the polls.
Tom: as is routine with Graham Lloyd articles on climate change, the headline misrepresents to a significant degree the content of the story. (Not that Lloyd cares, I expect, even if he doesn’t write the headline.)
Thus, the headline of the story is “Climate link to Sandy invalid” but the content of the story is nuanced and does argue there are climate links to the hurricane:
“The ocean temperature anomalies of 3-5C off New York that would feed energy into the extra-tropical cyclone in that part of the world matter much less than if such anomalies were located under the storm in the tropics,” Professor England said.
“Basically tropical cyclones are very sensitive to underlying ocean temperatures, but cyclones outside the tropics care somewhat less about the underlying ocean temperatures.
“So the climate change signal in Sandy is largely due to sea-level rise, the increased humidity in the world’s atmosphere, and the tropical ocean temperature anomalies. The temperatures up near New York, while still a factor in the storm, are less of a factor than the above three changes.”
For those interested (hi Jarrah – the rest of you draw up your intellectual drawbridges and don’t bother reading this now, you might catch knowledge) Skeptical Science has an article on the various ways climate change has likely contributed to the storm and damage.
Jarrah: Sandy may have been exacerbated by AGW. It might not have been. It’s literally impossible to tell. Arguing about it is a complete waste of time.
Sandy may have been exacerbated by AGW. It might not have been.
As SS says:
The bottom line is that while global warming did not cause Hurricane Sandy, it did contribute to the “Frankenstorm” at least by causing higher sea levels (and thus bigger storm surges and flooding), warmer sea surface temperatures (and thus a stronger hurricane), and more moisture in the atmosphere (and thus more rainfall and flooding).
Where civilian resources are inadequate, unavailable or cannot be mobilised in time, emergency Defence Assistance to the Civil Community arrangements enable the Australian Defence Force to contribute in order to save human life, alleviate suffering and prevent loss of animal life or property.
You’ve never heard of the US National Guard then? They’ve only been fulfilling that function since 1636…
Dogshit, your scientology of climate hysteria is lost without words like “may”, “could have”, “likely”. They’re opinions without causal links by people who keep using such fear-mongering to gouge billions of dollars from our pockets. Take your corrupt religion somewhere else. It was invented for the same reason scientology was: to make people rich. Causal links or fuck off. Here’s a short-cut: there aren’t any.
As I have noted before, it seems that climate change skeptics and small government types are easily parted with their money. (Jonova and her American family being treated all mean in Western Australia; the IPA asking for money to tell the already converted that freedom of speech is really really important.)
Now a bunch of you is lining up to blow money on Romney.
Tell me, do Home Shopping Channels hold a special appeal to you?
THE former premier hand-picked to review the carve-up of the GST has warned the tax is failing to deliver the revenue expected of it and has called for a national debate about its rate and scope.
My left-wing friends are drawing attention to this clip from the final episode of Newsroom, comparing the Tea Party to the Taliban. Apart from a few points, it could be used to compare the greens to the Taliban:
(Ocala, Florida, October 30, 2012). Larry Klayman, the founder and chairman of Freedom Watch today announced that President Barack Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden have been criminally indicted for having willfully released classified national security information concerning the raid on Osama bin Laden’s compound, U.S. and Israeli war plans concerning Iran and their cyber-attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities.
A true bill of indictment was issued by a Citizens’ Grand Jury in Ocala, Florida, who reviewed evidence and voted unanimously to indict Obama and Biden at 6:02 pm on October 29, 2012.
IT, are you on? I have my account loaded at Arseholes Inc (tab.com.au never forget it’s their money). But the cheapskates are still a quarter to a half point shy of the market. I expect they’ll cough up tomorrow, so I’m waiting an extra day to double up on what I’ve already bet.
Next week’s question time should be fun with Julie Bishop armed with Hedley Thomas’ latest article. The Red Dalek will have to correct her statements to the House or face the Privileges Committee. While that is a Labor stacked joke (Windsor sits on it), the optics of a referral for misleading the House are very bad, tying into the Juliar meme, which she (not misogynist™) will wish to avoid.
The Reps sits in a couple of weeks, I think, but yes, if she doesn’t correct, there’s the privileges committee and possible censure motion. The recently sacked Attorney General, one Robert McClelland (and Gillard’s best friend sarc) is on the privileges committee, so it could get interesting if it goes there. Recall that McClelland was the first to mention Gillard’s little problem in Parliament.
the IPA asking for money to tell the already converted that freedom of speech is really really important
The difference is the IPA are kind enough to ask for the money.
As opposed to the ABC, who take our money forcefully, and use it to force their opinions on everyone. So the climate-converted are able to snicker at the fact that those deniers have having their tickets clipped to spread warmist propaganda.
Okay so the NSW public service reported a deficit when there was a surplus. Incompetence or sabotage?
Either way, this is an excuse to fire a bucketload of people and launch some aggressive and probing internal reviews.
Correctamundo dd. For mine, this clearly demonstrates that Barry O’Farrell should have cleaned out the senior Labor appointees in the NSW public sector and now needs to do so a.s.a.p.
I’ve never watched Newsroom because it just looked like typical lefty propaganda… but jeez, what a hate-fest! Apparently, the Tea Party is the American Taliban.
The “newsreader” even tried the sfb tactic of pretending he’s a conservative.
I’ve never watched Newsroom because it just looked like typical lefty propaganda… but jeez, what a hate-fest! Apparently, the Tea Party is the American Taliban.
Fleeced
It looks like that link is part of a movie and is dated Aug 2011.
Alan, if you can’t use blockquotes properly, stop fucking using them. There is no point in quoting your entire message.
And Newsroom is a TV series, not a movie. The scenes are dated during the Republican primary (specifically, Aug 2011), but according to IMDB, the series didn’t screen until this year (this was the season 1 finale, and screened Aug 2012).
OMG. What an idiot you are “alan”. Someone links to Sorkin’s little TV show denigrating and lying about those Americans who freely choose to be a part of the TEA Party and as a stupid distraction tactic you come along and quibble, stupidly, as to when the show was aired. FFS!
Oh well “Gabby”, I’m sure there is someone or something out there lying about the Democrats as well. Perhaps you as self appointed arbiter of this forum could point them out to me.
As for you fleasy, I will use the Quotes anyway I like and continue to call you FLEASY until you stop acting like a 5 year old.
I still have a ‘borrowed’ Telegraph Road road sign from Woodbridge, VA.
In my defense, I was young and naive when it came into my possession.
Once a thief always a thief snoopy. You are now in the same category as you claim that your Prime Minister is. A non convicted felon. Claim of inexperience is no defense.Take it back you THIEF.
Have you looked at the link sdog? Fleeced admits that it is a tv series, hardly a good source for reference.
I “admit”? Strange choice of words, Alan.
You declared it looked like a movie from 2011. sdog and I corrected you. But then, you knew that. As Gab says:
Someone links to Sorkin’s little TV show denigrating and lying about those Americans who freely choose to be a part of the TEA Party and as a stupid distraction tactic you come along and quibble, stupidly, as to when the show was aired. FFS!
“Gutless Fergo capitulates to Parliament’s least robust male on the orders of a woman:
My guess is the legal action was just a threat to keep R. Oakschott in line. It was never going to happen.
Ferguson surely would have consulted PM about it all beforehand and not gone off on his own bat.
My guess is the legal action was just a threat to keep R. Oakschott in line. It was never going to happen.
Ferguson surely would have consulted PM about it all beforehand and not gone off on his own bat.
Spot on Candy.
Oakshit needs the friendly wealthy Labor supporter to give him that job 3 months after he’s kicked out by his electorate.
candy – i’m not sure if he has dementia, pre-senile dementia or if he is basically insane. Either way there is something seriously wrong with crazy uncle joe, and this dribbler is 2nd inline if the POTUS dies, sweet cheeses on a stick that is frightening.
In the days after Sandy hit, Barack Obama was generally agreed to have performed well. He had himself photographed in the White House Situation Room, nodding thoughtfully to bureaucrats… and Tweeted it to his 3.2 million followers. He appeared in New Jersey wearing a bomber jacket rather than a suit to demonstrate that when the going gets tough the tough get out a monogrammed Air Force One bomber jacket.
Interesting interview with Alexander Downer this morning along with Alan Fells conducted by Geraldine Doogue on Radio National this morning. Very impressed with Alex. Well worth a listen to.
AFTER enduring a harmless ambush by pranksters, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said today the Coalition would not try to buy an election victory and would offer “no new spending at all” in the campaign.
This is an original approach. Promise them nothing, give them less.
Obama’a invocation of revenge is the perfect arc for his manufactured story. They say the truth always comes out in the end. And the truth is revenge was always his actuating principle and existential motivation. He hates America. Always did.
Trying to buy an election failed last time when he overbid for Oakshott, Windsor and unlucky last one billion dollars for Mr. Wilke. “I would give anything, I would sell my posterior for the PM’s job”. Reference? a very honest Tony Windsor.
I missed this the other day. Stacey Dash, who copped flak a while back for supporting Romney on twitter, doubled down earlier this week by posting a photo of herself with Ryan.
The member for Lyne also referred to comments last week by senior Liberal Bronwyn Bishop that the coalition would have called an early election had it got support from the independents to form government after the 2010 election which resulted in a hung parliament.
Running a full term was one of the conditions by Mr Oakeshott and another independent MPs Tony Windsor placed on their support of Prime Minister Julia Gillard and her Labor government.
Mr Oakeshott said he doubted there would be an early election and believes Labor could go the full term to November 30, 2013.
Tony Abboot would have bought the Independents if he could, and then dropped them like hot potatoes when he got what he wanted. Reference? A very honest Bronwyn Bishop.
That’s very good FLEASY, picking up on what Thiefdog said. Be careful the coppers don’t get you for assisting after the committing of a crime.And of course associating with a known criminal.
Thank you Tiggy. I think you are confusing me with Hesus who had a forced purchase of Levis during his Sandy experience.
And Dorothy, proving my point about the same old rudeness.
Now can we get back to more relevant matters?
Former President Bill Clinton told supporters at a Friday campaign event in Palm Beach, Fla., that he may be the only person in America more excited about President Obama this election cycle.
“I may be the only person in America, but I am far more enthusiastic about President Obama this time than I was four years ago,” Clinton said.
Thank you Tiggy. I think you are confusing me with Hesus who had a forced purchase of Levis during his Sandy experience.
And Dorothy, proving my point about the same old rudeness.
Now can we get back to more relevant matters?
With the imminent start of our cricket summer ( and yet another book about S.K.Warne ), Shane Warne was an off-field disgrace to the game.
As opposed to Glenn McGrath who is an off-field asset to humanity and far superior on-field with cricket ball.
Good Morning fellow Cats.
I take it that I am now on a Super ignore list as I haven’t seen any movement on my posts on the Tuesday forum. I don’t think that my appearance on this site can be blamed on Hesus as he appears to be the chap who resents me most. I will continue to post information from this date and you can take it or leave it as you collectively choose. I am not in League with any Trolls, I am not a member of any political party, and my views however opposed to yours are entirely my own.
I am pleased to see that the trivial nature of your posts is to return to more meaningful subjects.
Personal likes and dislikes should not enter discussion. I look forward to a meaningful relationship in the future. The Cat should be a place for the exchange and evaluation of facts, not an agony Aunt column.
Dorothy I posted this earlier. I am re-posting it so that the slower of those amongst you, who may at a stretch be able to identify themselves, can have another go at getting on with the job, which is discussing the nature of the Universe.
The bottom line is that while global warming did not cause Hurricane Sandy, it did contribute to the “Frankenstorm” at least by causing higher sea levels (and thus bigger storm surges and flooding), warmer sea surface temperatures (and thus a stronger hurricane), and more moisture in the atmosphere (and thus more rainfall and flooding).
Higher sea levels are problematic are this latest NASA Report shows systemic problems with the satellites leading to over estimation of sea level rise; slide 3 is the relevant one.
On the surface sea level rise is measured by altimeters; steve links to the Sks site which has in turn linked to the global altimeter site, PSMSL, which covers hundreds of sites.
These sites include New York where Sandy came to shore.
There is no doubt this region has featured some atypical sea level rise; it is interesting that on the West Coast sea level has been falling at some sites such as around San Francisco from 1980 onwards [see Port Reyes].
This effect where some parts experience higher than average rises and others lower is a product of the eustatic properties of the oceans; over a period of time the movements in the water will cause peaks in parts of the world and correlative declines in others; this is not a tidal phenomenon and is demonstrated in a comparison between sea levels in Holland and New York; the effect is noticeable with deviations in the linear trend between Holland and New York being almost opposite.
This has been going on a long time before AGW was a twinkle in Gore’s eye.
Overall sea level rise has been measured by Houston and Dean’s 2011 papers.
The other point raised by steve is rapidly increasing sea surface temperatures around New York prior to Sandy; globally SSTs have been falling since 2003.
This decline in SST has been marked and completely contradicts AGW; that there are regions where SST is stable or slightly increasing is not exceptional and contributed nothing to Sandy.
The bottom line is that while global warming did not cause Hurricane Sandy, it did contribute to the “Frankenstorm” at least by causing higher sea levels (and thus bigger storm surges and flooding), warmer sea surface temperatures (and thus a stronger hurricane), and more moisture in the atmosphere (and thus more rainfall and flooding).
Higher sea levels are problematic are this latest NASA Report shows systemic problems with the satellites leading to over estimation of sea level rise; slide 3 is the relevant one.
On the surface sea level rise is measured by altimeters; steve links to the Sks site which has in turn linked to the global altimeter site, PSMSL, which covers hundreds of sites.
These sites include New York where Sandy came to shore.
There is no doubt this region has featured some atypical sea level rise; it is interesting that on the West Coast sea level has been falling at some sites such as around San Francisco from 1980 onwards [see Port Reyes].
This effect where some parts experience higher than average rises and others lower is a product of the eustatic properties of the oceans; over a period of time the movements in the water will cause peaks in parts of the world and correlative declines in others; this is not a tidal phenomenon and is demonstrated in a comparison between sea levels in Holland and New York; the effect is noticeable with deviations in the linear trend between Holland and New York being almost opposite.
This has been going on a long time before AGW was a twinkle in Gore’s eye.
Overall sea level rise has been measured by Houston and Dean’s 2011 papers.
The other point raised by steve is rapidly increasing sea surface temperatures around New York prior to Sandy; globally SSTs have been falling since 2003.
This decline in SST has been marked and completely contradicts AGW; that there are regions where SST is stable or slightly increasing is not exceptional and contributed nothing to Sandy.
It’s instructive how these trolls come here and make every thread about themselves. Their over-inflated self-importance belies their abilities. What’s that phrase..oh yea…”his ego writes cheques his intelligence can’t cash”.
Alan, you seem to want to get into political arguments, but the 2010 post-election negotiations are weak ground… and since it got thrashed over on this blog extensively at the time, old ground for us.
It’s subsequently become clear that Gillard massively outbid Abbott and overpromised behind closed doors, including among other things, the carbon tax. It’s also clear that the independents, particularly Windsor, despise Abbott and would never have done a deal anyway.
But these facts have emerged subsequently and slowly, and wont’ be found in commentary that was written at the time.
Here’tip for your next attempt at arguing politics with us: try to pick something current, or something ‘big picture.’ Political battles of the past are kind of dull.
Gab, when Dogshit’s Uncle gained a reprive from The Almighty, he correctly assumed he had been given permission to behave like an arsehole and to troll everyone who uses the site.
The reference list only goes up to the year 2000. One of my heuristics is that if something is promising they’ll keeping looking at it. My “10 year rule” is applied because so much research is found to wrong over time. I do look past that time frame but not very often. The research really does move that quickly. Good times.
Nonetheless given this stuff is perfectly safe I’d try it. This is where oncology is too narrowly focused at times. If a patient is terminal let them decide. BTW, from what I gather the “official” oncology approach is too narrow but people have told me that their oncologists do express interest, they probably don’t express that professionally for fear of ridicule.
I go the other way as well. If someone doesn’t use old references, then there is actually no point to a literature review. I am suspicious that they don’t understand the theory at all and are looking for easy answers. I am suspicious they don’t understand the evolution of a model or heuristics etc. They are just jerking off the editors who have recently published some A* crap.
Of course, my research has had up to date stuff in it right to the current year.
Nobody talks like that. Not even Obama fans talk like that about Obama in 2012, which is why it’s not to be taken at face value. This sounds like a message intended for the ears of Hollywood insiders, rather than to actually affect anyone’s vote.
Just thought I’d mention I’ve also nailed my colours to the mast and joined the conga line of Cat readers placing a bet on Romney to win. $200. I’ve got a good feeling about it.
(Actually I’m veering back and forth between horror at my actions and a desire to double the bet. And totally hoping my wife doesn’t find out about it…)
You need to do what I did here long ago. I used to cop crap all the time so I played some games and it largely receded. It’s a fiery place so you have to develop strategies to put out the fires otherwise you’ll get burned. Still, I occasionally fed up with the tone of the place and so piss off for a while. I’m back, suck it up Cats.
Tab.com.au has just flipped out half a point to $4.25 so I’m signing up to win $1700 on top of the $500 collect I’ve already bet after the Derby at Flemington.
Why martyr yourself? It’s unedifying. Deru kagi utareru. The protruding nail gets hammered down. Don’t go up on the cross. We’re not tradesmen, largely. The only tool we can use is a hammer.
You’re right though. We should ignore Shitfer rather than waste a day of reasoning with the lunkhead and then blow a gasket for a week.
Nobody talks like that. Not even Obama fans talk like that about Obama in 2012, which is why it’s not to be taken at face value. This sounds like a message intended for the ears of Hollywood insiders, rather than to actually affect anyone’s vote.
You’re right. He’d been “falsely accused” of supporting team Romney. Being “outed” like that can ruin you in Hollywood. So he had to show how devoted he was to the one. It’s really quite tragic.
Don’t understand Dot – all executives have an incentive to increase the share price as evidence of their competent stewardship, and continue to hold their jobs. If this means conjuring up profits a la Enron, then so be it. An equity stake is just an extra incentive.
I find this post by Will elsewhere to be rather odd. “Conjure up” profits? This after you basically said HB Bear was anti business!? At best this was a poor choice of words.
Dot, holding up a mirror to others does not make me feel a martyr.
Ridicule for SoB is justified, but mindless puerile abuse? There was, believe it or not, once and only once that I thought SoB was correct. Yet he still was given the schoolyard bullying treatment. This doesn’t say much for the maturity of some of the contributors here.
SoB makes his point without personal denigration. I doubt that he will ever change his views, but to respond with invective lowers the tone of the debate to the level of university politics.
I find this post by Will elsewhere to be rather odd. “Conjure up” profits? This after you basically said HB Bear was anti business!? At best this was a poor choice of words.
Dot, Enron was recognising unrealised gains on long term contracts in the current year, as one method of boosting profits.
There are methods of recognising revenue before actual receipt or capitalising expenses, all to boost current year profits, increase shareholder value, and keep shareholders happy.
Anyway every parrotted piece of pro-AGW shit he writes is a personal affront to common sense.
You don’t have to swear to be grossly and obscenely insulting.
Cohenite, settle down. What SoB writes is actually believed by a large number of people who get their news from the TV or other MSM. There are no counter arguments, except for the occasional article in The Australian.
Telling people that they are stupid just because they parrot popular drivel and lies does help. Any random visitor would prefer to see empirical evidence and counter argument. And yes I know it must get frustrating to keep repeating what the science really says.
Don’t understand Dot – all executives have an incentive to increase the share price as evidence of their competent stewardship, and continue to hold their jobs. If this means conjuring up profits a la Enron, then so be it. An equity stake is just an extra incentive.
So be it? It sounds supportive, and at best fatalist.
The point on the other thread was that fraud/price manipulation was caused by regulation that ceased equity gifting as a form of remuneration.
He means that common sense is a poor guide to judging whether something is scientifically accurate, not least because science often overturns common-sense understanding of the world.
Someone’s been on the turps; what the fuck does that mean?
Sheesh, I refer you to the instructive work: “Uncommon Sense: The Heretical Nature of Science.” by Alam Cromer. Dated now but instructive. Common sense is just a set of assumptions drawn from our culture and perceptions. Faith in common sense presupposes we are logic machines. No Spocks! Obviously then if we are to learn anything new common sense is going to be challenged because reputed studies have shown that cultural beliefs and perceptions are poor guides to understanding the world writ large.
OK; I thought you might be angling towards the quantum mechanic counterintuitive paradoxes.
Someone once said that that science is the record of dead religions.
That is so because science seeks to understand the way things work and to do that in a way which can be measured and replicated, or at least modelled.
I don’t agree with this:
Common sense is just a set of assumptions drawn from our culture and perceptions. Faith in common sense presupposes we are logic machines.
Common sense is often a valuable guide to what is practical, possible and not dangerous; it is so because prior exercise of it has been useful; that is, it works.
In that respect commonsense is not about being a “logic machine” but following a path or procedure which has been shown to work.
That is why customs develope; they work.
However too much commonsense can be oppressive if it becomes misonewistic; it is a balance.
Anyway, as Thomas Huxley said, “Science is simply common sense at its best.”
“Approximately 16 of the $100,000+ Fisker Karma extended-range luxury hybrids were parked in Port Newark, New Jersey last night when water from Hurricane Sandy’s storm surge apparently breached the port and submerged the vehicles. As Jalopnik has exclusively learned, the cars then caught fire and burned to the ground.
Our source tells us they were “first submerged in a storm surge and then caught fire, exploded.” This wouldn’t be the first time the vehicles, which use a small gasoline engine to charge batteries that provide energy to two electric motors, had an issue with sudden combustion.”
Some hilarious comments below the article – worth a read. “Well, what do you expect for only $100,000?”; “Don’t worry – the Semtex seat belts will save you” etc.
More seriously, I gather that US taxpayers have contributed a motza to developing these death traps. Since we are not even allowed to take tiny spare lithium batteries into a plane cabin, who thought that putting a person right next to a big chunk of the stuff was a good idea?
Huxley is wrong. Science creates a common sense but it is not common sense. Science is very often about overturning common sense notions. That’s why revolutionary ideas take so long to become common sense; they are fighting against the prevailing common sense. Great science is often an attack against common sense.
Science creates a common sense but it is not common sense. Science is very often about overturning common sense notions. That’s why revolutionary ideas take so long to become common sense; they are fighting against the prevailing common sense. Great science is often an attack against common sense.
He means that common sense is a poor guide to judging whether something is scientifically accurate, not least because science often overturns common-sense understanding of the world.
That’s ambivalent.
Since science is theory conforms with observation most science is indeed common sense.
When observation is beyond the ken of the unaided sense perhaps there may be a examples of the counterintuitive eg the space-time continuum or the undefinability of matter in experiential terms at the sub-atomic level.
But it is still the theory that is primarily counter-intuitive and at that level ‘commonsense’ is sorta irrelevant as it is a rarefied world dealing in a specific abstraction.
If the results of a study don’t comport with ‘commonsense’ then the observational experiment needs to be repeated again and again and if still inexplicable from the old theory paradigm a theory adjustment or new theory needs to be considered.
The wahabists are destroying the very fabric of their own religion conquest ideology.
This is getting very, very adverse reviews in Indonesia and Malaysia, where the admirable Malay trading civilisations actually turned islam into a fairly decent religion. Extremist salafist/wahabist own-goals on on so many levels…
When observation is beyond the ken of the unaided sense perhaps there may be a examples of the counterintuitive eg the space-time continuum or the undefinability of matter in experiential terms at the sub-atomic level.
Not just there James but also in psychology there are many examples which confound our understanding of human behavior. As DOT pointed out his economic studies were often counter intuitive for him. There are mathematical models which defy the “excluded middle” principle. Psychiatry challenges the old commons sense notions of how to address mental illness and drug addiction. The work of Polly Matzinger overthrew the common sense understanding that arose from the self-nonself model of immunology. Not bad for a former Playboy Bunny! Cantor overthrew the idea that the concept of infinity as a single thing, that infinities come in many sizes. I can’t understand the maths of that of course but it is now widely accepted though it took a few decades for formal acceptance.
IT, this is big news. I’ve always liked and respected Warren Mundine despite his ALP affiliations. He always seemed to me to be focussed on achieving good things rather than ideological tribalism. My estimation of him just went up. Likewise, I never thought my opinion of the ALP could get any lower. Looks like I was wrong. Pond scum would be embarrassed to be seen with a Labor MP.
Of course, I expect him to be denounced by leftist Aborigines just like Noel Pearson and the four conservative NT MPs have been…
Re Grigory’s latest…
Chris Uhlmann seems to have been sidelined by “Our” ABC. The number of hard hitting relatively non-partisan interviews he was renowned for has evaporated.
Commonsense is both a method and a state of functionality; it doesn’t preclude knowledge of contradictions which may inform the commonsense perspective but neither does it depend on them; take the computer user who may or may not know of the QM weirdness which is intrinsic to the computer’s functioning.
Cantor is also not a good example of justifying a difference between commonsense and some other exotic reality; after all your average teenager will be aware of a continuum between the infinitely large and the infinitesimal; and what kid has not played some form of infinity plus one?
The key is function and utility; commonsense provides that; as evolution occurs the apparent contradictions either become consistent with that or become one hand clapping in the forest.
Thanks for that Peter Harcher link Johanna (and the stuff you post here in general). In my opinion, Harcher is quite deluded, like most leftwing ideologues, essentially because he is saying the US election is not about jobs and the economy, but about “fairness” (the same whiny economic poison that created Fair Work Australia). For Obama to win on the Electoral College gerrymander when Romney wins the popular vote requires a difference in the popular vote of 1% or less, according to good judges. Harcher says “Obama” is surging and there’s something in that as he is milking the storm and incumbency for every vote. But in the crucial swing state polls, Romney is still braining Obama and has had all the momentum in the past month, even though Obama is back square in national polls. Almost all the “other/independent” voters will break for Romney. I’ve already bet big by my standards. Now it’s popcorn time.
There was an article on a bunch of evil bogan harpies in it. Amazing, really. Of all their ‘dream jobs’ only Kate Lundy’s did not involve handing out other people’s money, criticising productive work or being a parasite on the taxpayer.
That dopey bint who runs Marie Claire is a leftist stooge.
As for the politicians’ dream dinner dates, they included Jane Austen for Ms Gillard, Isaac Newton for Ms Lundy, Barack and Michelle Obama for Ms Macklin and Nelson Mandela or Tina Fey for Senator Wong.
The only honest one there is the usually trollish robotic liar, Wong.
Marie Claire publisher and editor Jackie Frank said she was approached last month to come to the Prime Minister’s Canberra residence to meet Ms Gillard….
To be more explicit, a month ago the kakistocrats in Cabinet realised that Swannie wasn’t going to deliver his long promised surplus, so contingency planning for an election early next year went into overdrive.
When did Tony Abbott’s wife have her say again? That would have put the wind up them, also, so they’d have to get into the women’s mags to try and counteract her, too.
(*disclaimer. I used to be such a devotee of Marie Claire I had the first 10 years of issues. I lugged them around for years, but it got to the stage where the interesting articles became fewer and fewer, and the advertising took over along with the leftarded outlook. So I dumped them finally a couple of years back.)
Another Jane Austin quote Julia must hold dear:
“Follies and nonsense, whims and inconsistencies do divert me, I own, and I laugh at them whenever I can.”
― Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
I do not think the “excluded middle” is wrong but rather it is not a universal principle that cover all instances. What I think about this doesn’t matter, too ignorant.
There are now attempts to construct mathematics via category theory which clearly allows for an exclusion of the excluded middle. Additionally there are instances in mathematics where the excluded middle fails.
I mentioned it because two days ago I read:
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“Even though we rarely use the term, it will become clear that many of the problems associated with vagueness are actually caused by higher-order vagueness.”
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paradox … And because it is a challenge to a mathematical approach to reasoning, known as classical logic, our story will require a modest amount of mathematical symbolism.
not exactly: In Praise of Vagueness, Kees Van Deemter
I doubt this book will help you though the biblio might.
Ah, the efficacy of CCTV’s in the arena of crime prevention.
Hooded man jumped from train after assault Save
By Chris Hingston
Nov. 3, 2012, 10:48 a.m.
Police are searching for a man who leapt from a moving train after assaulting two people.
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Police say the man, who looked to be aged between 18 and 22, approached and assaulted two male passengers while travelling on the Cragieburn line at 12.25am on September 10.
After the assault, the man then jumped from the moving train while it was near Pascoe Vale station.
The man involved is 175cm tall, slim, of African appearance and was wearing a grey-coloured hoodie and a fur hat at the time.
Police discovered the incident during a review of CCTV footage.
Investigators are also appealing the two male victims involved to come forward.
Anyone with information is asked to phone Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.
If the alleged victims didn’t come forward 2 months ago, why would they do so now?
All the CCTVs in the world didn’t save Jill Meagher, they haven’t saved a lot of people. They don’t prevent crime.
They will obviously help the police find something to do months down the track, though, so I guess we really do need more.
To a degree, Dot, but there comes a time when you can actually have too many surveillance cameras.
I’m tired of looking over my shoulder, and I’m tired of the nanny state that is Victoriastan.
That news snippet just sort of did it for me today. So 2 months ago one fellow smacked out some others on a train then jumped off. Nothing appears to have been reported, no complaints appear to have been made, and now it’s on the bloody radio that the police are looking for him.
Seriously, don’t our police have better things to do?
Good to see Carr has found he’s right at home in federal labor. Took him no time at all to find himself a comfortable pair of slippers that fitted just right.
Good to see Carr has found he’s right at home in federal labor. Took him no time at all to find himself a comfortable pair of slippers that fitted just right.
He was no different as Premier of NSW, his record was white-washed by a worshipful media. Kroger is correct to bring up the way Carr acted after Brogan insulted Carr’s wife. I think the Libs should now go medieval over the travel claims for Carr’s wife.
Michael Kroger doesn’t mince his words- Carr is a “coward” and a “grub”. As he says, Bernardi was forced to resign for less. However, as this kakistocracy has no shame, I expect that Carr will rely on Coward’s Castle and try and ride it out.
“The truth is that Tony Abbott is much more aggressive than we’ve had before,” said Macklin. “Now it is very, very aggressive every single day.”
What a lying cow. Absolutely evidence-free tosh. They sung this tune for so long they actually believe their own bulldust. Karma, Macklin et al, karma.
Gab, did you see how the lapdog media tried to lowball that figure for the Ohio rally, then try to claim the “energy level” and “enthusiasm” among attendees was “low”?
You just have to let your ideology get in the way of the evidence and facts every time dont you?.
With this re the Enron debacle
“The point on the other thread was that fraud/price manipulation was caused by regulation that ceased equity gifting as a form of remuneration.”
It was because the givernment stopped regulating energy that caused this fuck up. Not the regulation, but the lack of it.
Economics doesnt need with doctors and ideologues like you. I had my own problems with your evidence gathering shortcomings. Now I can see you are just a bloody mad biased fool.
It was because the givernment stopped regulating energy that caused this fuck up. Not the regulation, but the lack of it.
No, you are an idiot Alice. That is a separate issue.
The wholesale price was floating, the retail price was effectively fixed and the CA State Government had practically banned the building of new powerplants.
Of course, you are so stupid you equate an energy crisis to actual accounting fraud.
20,000-30,000 Turn Out to See Romney-Ryan in Ohio …(Obama Draws Crowds Less than 4,000)
I watched the video of that Romney rally in Westchester OH (just north of Cincinatti) in full. It was a rock concert.
Who do you think the BBC sent to it? A woman (Bridget Kendall, “diplomatic correspondent”), who concluded the crowd wanted to get rid of Obama more than elect Romney and wanted to return America to a past led by white men. It was calculated propaganda reinterpreted by the zombie hive mind; not a single person who was there would know she was at the same rally.
I’m hoping Romney wins, there is no doubt he would be more capable on economic issues (and probably all issues) than Obama has been
A couple of Aust Labor voters asked me today who I prefer and then expressed disquiet about Romney’s far right affiliations
Don’t know much about the Tea Party but sure seems to have Labor voters concerned
Why wouldn’t you want the country to return to the governance of white men when the only non-white president in history has been a Marxist traitor who accumulated more debt than all his white predecessors combined and fucked up the entire country? But why not talk about the most racist demographic in the US: ‘African-Americans.’ They’d vote for Ernie from Sesame Street rather than any Caucasian.
Not sure Val. the US is now such a corrupt and broken nation I don’t think you can trust any of its institutions apart from its military. I’m as confused as a blind lesbian eating a snapper pie about this election and the polls are zero help.
The heart says Romney but I fear that the welfare state has made leftism irreversible in the Republic.
Lay on enough free stuff and you can destroy any democracy. That the US election is even close – when the race is the worst president in history and his mentally deranged deputy versus one of the most qualified and impressive candidates ever and a running-mate who is the most gifted economics thinker in Congress – is a tragedy in itself.
That’s true. In US terms Swan’s desire for a surplus would have him labelled an extremist nutcase by not only himself but every member of the Democrats and 90% of Republicans.
The LNP are a pathetic party of inbred losers but we must thank them for making balanced budgets a goal of both parties.
“I look at the men of Yirrkala and ask why they will not drive the 20km to Nhulunbuy to earn excellent money in the mine and the processing plant there,” she said in her first ministerial statement on the status of Aboriginal communities in the Territory since taking the cabinet role.
ONE in eight Victorian children lives in a family where no one works – and federal government agencies are blaming welfare largesse.
Unemployed families are now nearly as common as families in which both parents have full-time jobs.
New data reveals that 612,416 Australian children – or one in eight – have both parents out of work. In Victoria, 137,664 children – or 12 per cent – are living in jobless families, according to new Census data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics.
No one works in 19 per cent of families, while in 21 per cent of families both parents work full-time.
Federal government agencies are warning that welfare largesse is discouraging out-of-work parents from getting a job. A single parent with one child pockets $30,000 per year in welfare payments – as much as a cleaner, labourer or shop assistant earns working for the minimum wage.
$30,000! Wow plus so far as I know they get two free child care days
also from Tom’s link
In January, the Federal Government will force single parents receiving the Parenting Payment on to the Newstart allowance once their youngest child turns eight – cutting the benefit from $30,000 to $25,000 per year for a parent with one child.
Obama’s re-election campaign is geared to three groups: the clueless, the entitlement addicts, and the racists. A black woman at a gas station was interviewed on Fox News. She said the high fuel prices are having a disastrous effect on her family’s well-being, but she is voting for Obama because she agrees with everything he is doing.
Folks, I do not mean to be rude, but this black woman is clueless and/or a racist. I suspect that her support of Obama is a combo of both. She is voting for Obama because she is uninformed and because he is black like her.
This election will define who we are as a people. Are we a nation of entitlement addicts and racists, or do we still find great pleasure in using our creativity, ingenuity, and willpower to pursue our dreams?
The question is whether the rabble can survive the first half of next year and a disastrous May budget without its numbers collapsing on the floor of the House of Representatives:
AUSTRALIA’S political parties are in the advance stages of preparations for next year’s federal election campaign, with a senior Labor strategist saying a March election is ”a distinct possibility”.
With the ALP, the Liberals and the Greens all recording significant and surprising boosts to membership, Labor has gone to its staffers asking for money as it tries to recover from the dire financial status brought on at the last election.
The Coalition is believed to be a long way ahead of the ALP in campaign fund-raising, but a Liberal insider confirmed Opposition Leader Tony Abbott’s relentless travel across the country was a costly exercise – ”but one that will pay off”.
It is estimated the Liberal Party will spend up to $35 million in the push to install Mr Abbott in The Lodge.
Membership figures for the ALP and the Liberals show Labor is well on track to surpass Julia Gillard’s target of 8000 new members by early next year, a big turnaround from 2010, when the post-election review revealed near terminal decline.
Although the national executive guards the number closely, Fairfax has learnt that the ALP now has 44,022 members nationally, up from 39,688 in January. The Liberal Party boasts almost double this, with just over 78,000 paid up members, a boost of more than 20 per cent in 18 months.
If Labor’s strategy is to keep the electorate on tenterhooks for another 12 months, that merely increases the magnitude of the retribution, in my view.
I’ve never joined a political party but might just join the Libs this year; certainly going to dig deep for a donation
(but wish Abbott would get rid of that ridiculous RET policy)
omfg, did the unions run out of money or something?
If Labor’s strategy is to keep the electorate on tenterhooks for another 12 months, that merely increases the magnitude of the retribution, in my view.
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing: if you drag it out like the NSW and Queensland state elections, the asskicking just becomes bigger.
Speculation mounted last week that the Labor Party was considering the option of an early poll, with the government beginning to focus on its ”big ticket” items: the national disability insurance scheme, education reforms and the Asian white paper.
One theory – mainly pushed by the Coalition – was that Ms Gillard could seek a March election as a distraction from the difficulty of delivering the 2013 surplus in a May budget. A Labor strategist said this was ”a distinct possibility”.
All the Govt ‘big ticket’ items are dreams for the future and unfunded
Food stamps being promoted like tupperware.. I didn’t think the US had sunk that low. It really is another population of welfare leeches being grown under Obama.
How many roads most a man walk down
Before you call him a man ?
Maybe the Cat community should consider these words with respect to the language they use to describe their opposition.
It was music and courage that brought this country to oppose the bigotry and single minded brutality that existed in the 1960′s. Your right to free speech was won by others, NOT by you. Respect is what is missing. Barrack Obama is probably the most powerful man in the world at the moment.What have you midgets ever done for society other than carp about it. Get off the moral high ground and do something positive for this country.
Barrack Obama is probably the most powerful man in the world at the moment.
all the more reason to criticize him. Powerful people should never be immune from scrutiny. Nor should they be immune from criticism or mockery.
Maybe the Cat community should consider these words with respect to the language they use to describe their opposition.
It’s true that vitriol can wear thin from over-use, and there’s no point pouring insults and scorn on fellow citizens who happen to vote differently to you.
On the other hand, can’t speak for anyone else but personally, I don’t have an “opposition.”
Insiders have a knack of homing right in on Abbott’s troubles and gliding past Labor, but even so, Insiders have a good point.
How come Abbott doesn’t support wheat deregulation?
Was dealing with some work matters. Missed the start of Insiders but hey, it’s only Insiders. Turned Insiders on 16 minutes in.
Saw that Leatherface on his kneepads with his face deeply buried in Pwongs crotch while she called new taxes savings and warbled about how there’s ‘gunnabeHUUUUGEsurpluses’.
Thanks to Andrew Bolt, he has summarised today’s Insiders topics. Try not to dry retch at the bias.
First topic: How Tony Abbott had trouble with wheat deregulation, which could cause real tension in the Coalition.
Second topic: How Tony Abbott went too far in fighting the carbon tax, and just exaggerates “all the time”.
Third topic: How Tony Abbott was too flip in dismissing the White Paper on Asia.
Fourth topic: the Government (at last!) edges away from is promise to deliver a surplus.
Fifth topic: what chances of an early election?
Sixth: which of the two leaders is the most vulnerable going to the election?
Seventh: the Maxine McKew book – just briefly, to show Labor’s Anthony Albanese making light of it.
Eighth: Labor’s Greg Combet mocking Abbott. Long grab shown.
Ninth: Labor backflipping on asylum policy. Brief.
Tenth: Julia Gillard not answering questions on the AWU scandal. The Liberals need a result “or else it starts to get a bit tacky.” Brief. Only Savva comments.
Do you get the impression that the AbbottAbbottAbbott actually runs the country, and gets the scrutiny more approrpriate for a government, especially one as incompentent and deceitful as this?
Alan is a creep. But here is a hint for extra positivity apart from the amazingly positive comments that abound on the Cat about Labor derangement:
1. Join if you want to and help the Libs fight
Although the national executive guards the number closely, Fairfax has learnt that the ALP now has 44,022 members nationally, up from 39,688 in January. The Liberal Party boasts almost double this, with just over 78,000 paid up members, a boost of more than 20 per cent in 18 months.
2. Be a supporter even if not a Lib Party member. Arrange to be there with a bright smile and hand out How-to-Votes on Election Day itself. So many people make up their mind at the last minute. Your smile may count.
I am not a Lib Party member but will do anything I can to help on The Day (not a joiner since I left Labor behind at University some years ago). Is there any system to get registered as a helper, and how do they avoid deliberately ‘unhelpful’ people (like trolls) getting in on the act in an attempt to cruel it?
IT, this is big news. I’ve always liked and respected Warren Mundine despite his ALP affiliations. He always seemed to me to be focussed on achieving good things rather than ideological tribalism. My estimation of him just went up. Likewise, I never thought my opinion of the ALP could get any lower. Looks like I was wrong. Pond scum would be embarrassed to be seen with a Labor MP.
Of course, I expect him to be denounced by leftist Aborigines just like Noel Pearson and the four conservative NT MPs have been…
Skuter, the Liberal Party should now offer him a seat, preferably Wayne Swan’s
Don’t know much about the Tea Party but sure seems to have Labor voters concerned
The Labor Party is very afraid of the Tea Party, a grass roots movement of formerly rusted Democrat voters from all social classes and races who left the Democrat Party.
Think about it, those are the centre right voters who voted for the party of the left based upon tradition. Labor is extremely afraid of a similar uprising while the Greens are stealing away the far left of the party.
All they will have left is the corrupt and trade union members (usually the same people).
Watch to see the Love Media continue to demonise and misrepresent the Tea Party. They know what the stakes are…
Is there any system to get registered as a helper, and how do they avoid deliberately ‘unhelpful’ people (like trolls) getting in on the act in an attempt to cruel it?
You can help out on an individual’s campaign without being a member of the party. But they might view you with understandable suspicion if you turn up out of nowhere, previously unheard of, and offer to ‘help’.
Notice how Alice still contends she went to an Australian university in the 1980s to study economics and came “eleventh out of 3000 graduating students from that faculty” even though no Australian university has ever had a single year of 3000 graduates from a commerce faculty, total PG and UG students combined?
dd, sounds as though contacting them now, getting on their mailing list, and keeping in contact and going to a few fundraisers, would all be useful things to do now, in readiness for any election that might be called sooner rather than later. I will try that.
It was music and courage that brought this country to oppose the bigotry and single minded brutality that existed in the 1960′s. Your right to free speech was won by others, NOT by you. Respect is what is missing.
Which country are you talking about, and how does it relate protest era music to the views of wannabe censor, Roy Finklestein?
Alan – your post is seriously mixed up.
Now again, the song I am going to play over and over again when I’m drunk off my arse the night Gillard loses the election
It was music and courage that brought this country to oppose the bigotry and single minded brutality that existed in the 1960s.
LOL.
No, it was the Republican Party. They’re the ones that ensured the passage of the Civil Rights Act. The Democrats and their terrorist wing, the KKK, opposed it.
In Australia, the White Australia Policy and the 1967 referendum were, respectively, abolished and instigated by the Liberal Party.
How come Abbott doesn’t support wheat deregulation?
Yes, the most critical issue we are facing at the moment, why don’t we all condemn Abbott and abandon the Coalition because he has to compromise with the agrarian socialists in the national party?
Turnbull took that approach and as a result when he went down the AGW blind ally he was not listening when the Nationals told him what he needed, not wanted, to hear.
How come Abbott doesn’t support wheat deregulation?
My tart comment above is due to the fact I know that if Abbott followed the advice, the Insiders Labor shills will take a second to back the regressive policies that support the Wheat Board to gain political advantage for the ALP.
Think about it, those are the centre right voters who voted for the party of the left based upon tradition. Labor is extremely afraid of a similar uprising while the Greens are stealing away the far left of the party.
Between 2007 and 2010, the ALP gradually became the party of the radical left. That was simply confirmed with the seamless transition to the alliance with the Greens after the 2010 election.
Labor isn’t going to pretend nothing happened after the next election. It will still be a party of the extreme left competing for voters with the Greens.
The Liberals will dominate but the centre of politics is likely to fracture into the dominant Coalition and then more splinter group on the centre-right for the 2016 election.
Labor will be lucky to win more than 30 seats in 2013 with the Coalition controlling up to 120 in the 150-seat House.
Besides, you’ve still never said how you came to that conclusion. What is your basis of comparison? Sometimes you mention bad things Obama’s done, but that’s not comparing. A few comments up you do mention this:
“accumulated more debt than all his white predecessors combined”
That’s a kind of comparison, but unfortunately not true. It’s not even close. It also completely ignores the fact that Obama started his presidency during a severe financial and economic crisis. And that’s leaving aside the role Congress plays.
So what exactly is your measure of comparison? This guy thinks Obama is the greatest president since FDR. He’s obviously a bit of a loon, but at least he tries to tell us how he came to that conclusion by making objective comparisons, instead of just relying on listing things he agrees with. For example:
But the fact remains that, by the standards of a financial crisis, the United States suffered through a relatively shallow trough and has enjoyed a fairly rapid recovery. (Here is a chart laying out the comparison between the United States and other comparably afflicted economies.)
First topic: Tony Abbott … tension in the Coalition.
Second topic: … Tony Abbott just exaggerates “all the time”.
Third topic: … Tony Abbott … dismissing the White Paper on Asia.
…
Tenth: Julia Gillard not answering questions (but) … The Liberals need a result
… AbbottAbbottAbbott actually runs the country, and gets the scrutiny more approrpriate for a government”
It seems to me the ABC Sunday at the Labor Club deserves a bloody good kick in the nuts rather than an “Aw shucks, they were alright, really.”
In conversation on Friday I made passing comment about the vile slag squatting in The Lodge and a mate asked “But will Tony Abbott be any better?” He’s a migrant from just east of the Broadwater (from where they have the most exceptional rugby, but nothing else) and he had absolutely no knowledge of Abbott’s pedigree – a classic common apathy.
He’d hear “it wasn’t too bad” and assume that is accurate.
My view is we have too dire a situation in Australia to not point out, at every opportunity, in the most positive terms just how the destruction is crafted by all the Labor camp followers.
Gab, did you see how the lapdog media tried to lowball that figure for the Ohio rally, then try to claim the “energy level” and “enthusiasm” among attendees was “low”?
Well no, not until you pointed it out to me, Spot. I’m not surprised, in any case. Far be it from the sycophantic media to report the facts.
There is a responsibility that comes with education and privilege. The careless use of language and lack of respect for other people is very damaging to oneself.
An observer of this blog would see crude language and misdirected invective as what would have been called
“Common” in the days, when education was not given as a right. Anybody under the age of 40 would not know what a “Hard Time” is. Most of you would have a house and a car or two, a mobile phone, a computer kids in school until 12th grade.This was brought to you by the Union Movement of Australia without whom you would still be wiping your rightist fundement with the Daily Telegraph.
This guy thinks Obama is the greatest president since FDR.
You refer to someone who thinks the president who endorsed segregation , locked up citizens like the 3rd & 4th generation Japanese in internment camps and threatened the supreme court with statements that he’d use parliamentary majority to stack the bench as the high watermark of the Republic, you really are a loon who loves despots.
Insiders has gone from a biased pro-ALP program where the odd tough question was asked of ALP ministers to spread-legged ALP whoredom at $0.50 a trick.
The Finance Minister was on. Government spending is out of control, there’s levels of waste and fiscal incompetence never seen since Federation, she openly lied by saying that new taxes were ‘savings’, the ALP’s rock solid do-or-die promise to run a 12/13 surplus is a sick joke, and old Leatherface the kneepadder ignored it all and just kept on suckholing: Latham’s description is apropos here, the media is little more than a conga-line of ALP suckholes with ABC ‘journalists’ being the cheapest and most raddled whores in the congaline.
Journalism used to be a profession generally worthy of note. Those days are long gone, there are still a few actual journalists around but very few. Kneepad-boy is not one of them, in fact there is not one at the ABC at all. It needs to be privatised, and fast.
If you don’t like the blog, Dogshit’s Uncle, fuck off. You make the mistake that all other leftist deadshits make when they come here: you must behave like leftists and use their language so you can be controlled, i.e. you must volunteer for a Finkelsteinian buggering. You have the intellect of an ant.
Alan. Stevieliar QC needs a hand cleaning the toilet. You’d like him, he believes everything that the left tells him. Should be a fascinating conversation. And you could talk about how shit this blog is. Idiot.
If you don’t like the blog, Dogshit’s Uncle, fuck off.
I do like the blog tommy, it’s people like you that I have a problem with, who cannot express them selves without resorting to abusive language with a bullying tone.I may have the intellect of an ant but I have the morality of of a true socialist. Not a Communist not a Fascist, but a socialist. How old are you tommy? Obviously not old enough to spot the difference between debate and debasement.
Ok, Alan has admitted, nay boasted, of being an amoral monster who sees no moral objection to mass murder, expropriation of property, and enslaving people through welfare traps and the enforced poverty and ignorance they create.
This is the same sort of claim one of the four great socialist leaders of the 20th century, Adolf Hitler, made. Lenin, Stalin and Mao all made similar claims.
Thanks, Alan, for admitting what a genuine piece of amoral filth you really are.
Ok, Alan has admitted, nay boasted, of being an amoral monster who sees no moral objection to mass murder, expropriation of property, and enslaving people through welfare traps and the enforced poverty and ignorance they create.
This is the same sort of claim one of the four great socialist leaders of the 20th century, Adolf Hitler, made. Lenin, Stalin and Mao all made similar claims.
Thanks, Alan, for admitting what a genuine piece of amoral filth you really are.
Nappy change ASAP! Mk50 has wet his pants – again.
Tom, I thought you had decided you couldn’t hack it here anymore and you were going to leave? Not to say we won’t miss your sparkling conversation and your perceptive insights but if you have something better to do then why don’t you go do it, fuckhead?
Something very odd about the election campaign in the US…
Where are all the marchers protesting military tribunals, Gitmo, illegal wars, drone strikes, extraordinary rendition, assassination squads and the arrest of a film-maker?
“by referring sneakily to “this guy” as saying Obama’s is the greatest ever.”
I said he was a loon. Despite that, he’s still better at making an argument in comparing presidents than you are. Aren’t you a bit embarrassed by that?
They’re all staying at home because Obama is almost as right wing as Robme
In other words, he didn’t implement a leftist agenda to the extent that they would like, and that they were led to believe he would prior to his 2008 election. Therefore, it’s back to the old far-left gripe that all politicians are the same (ie too centrist, therefore too right wing).
scapula, all that might be true but it only applies to a small fraction of the voting public. I can’t imagine that the far left will sit it out, but if they do, it will hurt Obama.
Despite that, he’s still better at making an argument in comparing presidents than you are.
No no. He isn’t.
He’s the author of The Case for Bush Hatred.
And you quoted this – to use your word, lunatic – as an historical source.
Incidentally Jarrah, as a ‘libertarian’ who ranted and raved about BushCheney military tribunals, Gitmo, illegal wars, drone strikes, extraordinary rendition and assassination squads, you seem suddenly cool about all of those things.
Odd.
What about the film-maker whose arrest by (literally) brown shirts in the middle of the night Hillary Clinton publicly admitted orchestrating?
So Tillers, just what does socialism as a philosophy have to be proud of to weigh against the 100,000,000 corpses and vast human misery that same philosophy generated last century?
Please start your hagiographic apologia for socialism now. I invite you. You have the floor.
just what does socialism as a philosophy have to be proud of to weigh against the 100,000,000 corpses and vast human misery that same philosophy generated last century?
Do you change your diapers during the course of the day, Mk50, or do you just keep them wet?
In my lifetime it would be Nixon as worst President, because he put the presidency into disrepute.
But for sheer all round hopelessness you would have to give it to Carter. He failed at the economy, and he failed at protecting the USA’s interests. Even a hollywood actor would look like a giant compared with Carter…..Oh, wait.
And Obama, it’s true he was given a cack hand, but he has only managed to kick the can down the road, when repairs are desperately needed. And he relies on very poor advice. Basically he is the wrong man to be President.
Stephen Green beats Nate Silver around the scone with an embarrassing clue bat:
This jibes nicely with the technique I used during the Tea Party wave of 2010 to beat Silver black and blue. He plugged his numbers into his spreadsheet and came up with a 25% chance of the GOP taking 60 seats away from the Democrats. My final call was a bit firmer: 64 seats, no hedging with probable outcomes or any of that BS.
The real result was 67 seats. I missed three out of the 113 I figured might be up for grabs.
So how did a blogger in his pajamas absolutely smear a statistician armed with the best tools and data the New York Times could provide?
Well, as I said, I have a technique. It’s called “judgment.”
Ol’ Leathery let that Wong chap off very lightly. Saying they had funded their spending plans through cuts after increasing net debt by $150 billion.
Did Ol’ Leathery discuss the backflip on excising the mainland for illegal asylum seekers?
You know, play clips of each of the Labor Ministers from 2006 when they made absolutist statements about the immorality of the law they are now supporting.
Hah, as likely as playing the absolute statement they made about the immorality of the GST.
“Fifth topic: what chances of an early election? ”
Reckon around April as the Newspolls get better for ALP.
They have policies out there now, although completely unfunded but people don’t notice that on the whole. Whereas the Coalition be looking like empty vessels right now.
The litmus test perhaps when Labor bring Ms Gillard out actually in front of people to see if she’s accepted.
On the whole it looks a lot better for ALP, hope Tony Abbott doesn’t have head in sand and gets his act together soon.
Scapula, I said “he didn’t implement a leftist agenda to the extent that they would like.” Obamacare alone, being a massive socialization of health care, can be classified as a left, or even socialist, policy. And he did plenty of other things that you’d expect a campus socialist to do; from reducing the military to apologising for american foreign policy, to softening border policy.
…nothing even remotely leftist as an agenda even the first time around…
Apart from the infamous Apology Tour, the worst debt in history, a massive, failed ‘stimulus,’ abolition of religious liberty, supporting the Occupy rape movement, a jihad against ‘the rich,’ protection of the Black Panthers, surrender to Libyan terrorists, an attempt to derail the Second Amendment with a Mexican gun-running debacle, an extremist feminist war that ended in ignominy with Sandra Fluke addressing 10 people in the parking lot of the Sak ‘n Save in north Reno, telegraphing his deep-seated and abiding hatred for Israel.
I mean, you have the Little red Book, Das Kapital, Mein Kampf, the Collected Works of Lenin, all that wonderful recent scholarship on Stalin’s death camps, torture factories and purges…
There’s massive amounts of lovely socialist cant for you to mine for your apologia for mass murder.
You know if you only read right wing propaganda sheets you will never understand anything.
Why don’t you try the New Republic for suitably leftist information about the joint US-Israeli bombing of Sudan recently.
And Obama’s spinning of the Benghazi killing was, according to the Washington Post, to hide US support for Libyan terrorist operations in Syria run out of the US Embassy in Benghazi.
Token @1.09pm – surprisingly Ol’ Leathery managed to find the old clips of Chris Bowen saying exactly the opposite of what he legislated last week. He managed to look even more incompetent and hopeless than usual – pretty difficult after five and half years of policy inaction, inertia and backflips. Bowen just did what Gillard has done – hide behind the Angus Report recommendations.
They have policies out there now, although completely unfunded but people don’t notice that on the whole. Whereas the Coalition be looking like empty vessels right now.
Candy, while what you are saying about the Government’s unfunded policies is true, it would be the wrong call for the Opposition to make any detailed policy announcements now:
The recently developing demand for detailed policies from the opposition is a talking point recently engineered by the ALP and vigorously picked up be their stenographers in the Press Gallery.
Releasing policies now would:
a) enable the Opposition to become the focus of attention and political attack, leaving attention off the government and the policies it is actually implementing right now.
b) Give the government time to steal bits of the policy to make the opposition look like “me to” by the time the election comes around and blunt the extent of differentiation;
c) use the resources of government to pick apart and find ways to discredit said policies; and
d) leave the opposition with little new to announce when the election eventually comes around.
So at this point of the electoral cycle, the opposition should continue to demonstrate the lack of clothes worn by this despicable and morally bankrupt government, and restrict any policy positions to ‘headland’ type speeches.
We don’t know the story yet. There has been both a stuff-up and misleading the public, but exactly how it all fits together is something we’ll learn in the fullness of time.
In the meantime, laughing at various wild theories about what happened won’t get your man off the hook. We don’t know what happened, and until we do, nothing is ruled out. There are serious, unanswered questions.
As a political movement, socialism includes a diverse array of political philosophies, ranging from reformism to revolutionary socialism. Proponents of state socialism advocate the nationalisation of the means of production, distribution and exchange as a strategy for implementing socialism. In contrast, libertarian socialism proposes the traditional view of direct worker’s control of the means of production and opposes the use of state power to achieve such an arrangement, opposing both parliamentary politics and state ownership over the means of production. Democratic socialism seeks to establish socialism through democratic processes and propagate its ideals within the context of a democratic system.
Which one of these socialists are you Morally Kurrupt 50?
I know which one I am. I see nothing about mass murder here. Has it occurred to you that the examples given were not Socialists but just “Very Naughty Boys”.
Its already quite clear that Stevens was the link man between the Libyan Islamic rebels and the looted Libyan weapons and their transmission and use in Syria.
Its been in the WSJ, London Telegraph and the Washington Post among other Marxist journals of record.
So Romney’s public attack on the issue hides the real issue and the undiscussed real issue is the CIA operation in Benghazi.
America funding the Jihad in Syria is not a good look.
The LA Times has a report in which many of the worst Fox news rumours about Bengazi are denied. It seems to me to be a shameful press scandal that Fox News has run so much rumour for party political reasonsin an election campaign.
I liked that song bilko. Beautifully performed. But it is hardly proof that god exists. Whereas my post definitely states that god exists but he hasn’t got his act together yet. I would say as an outsider to all religions that there have been more deaths ascribed to God and gods than all the “Naughty Boys” that were alleged Socialists.
“it would be the wrong call for the Opposition to make any detailed policy announcements now: ”
Entropy, think i might have to disagree, it’s the right time now to expect policies of the Coalition.
I mean, policies is what’s it’s about, and an ordinary preson would be hard pressed to say what the Coalition’s are (apart from no carbon tax), and what they have in mind for Australia’s future, whereas ALP certainly are getting their message across.
anyway, just in my opinion
The LA Times has a report in which many of the worst Fox news rumours about Bengazi are denied. It seems to me to be a shameful press scandal that Fox News has run so much rumour for party political reasonsin an election campaign.
Pathetic. Who gave the stand down order? Why despite repeated requests was no help offered? Why did they pretend it was a spontaneous movie review protest?
It’s supposedly an article that provides “Simple Recipes for Those Without Electricity”, but the best suggestion it condescendingly comes up with is a cheese sanga.
No really, Jarrah – no hard feelings. We’re all very interested in the analysis of the author or The Case For Bush Hatred – whom you describe as a lunatic.
Just watched another 3 minutes of that Wong chap on Ol’ Leathery’s Abbott Hour (that’s all I can manage at a time). Wong was saying that by 2050 – yep in nearly 40 years time – the 30% private health insurance rebate would take up nearly 75% of the health budget!!!
Presumably these are Treasury figures whose $20bn deficit forecast for last year was only out by $20bn. Perhaps their 40 year forecasts are better.
I’ll see if I can do another 3 minutes before I tape over it. Don’t hold your breath.
How come Abbott doesn’t support wheat deregulation?
DD it’s ugly realpolitik. The ALP brought this legislation up purely, and only, to divide the coalition.
(This ALP and the Greens doing full market deregulation yeah they’ve got a real ideological drive to deregulate markets).
That’s this months strategy – to divide then make hay from the “divided” coalition on wheat “deregulation”, the murray darling and probably some other things still in the pipeline.
Even scumbag Tony Windsor admitted the policy was being driven by the ALP to embarrass the Libs and Nationals and he hates them!
The reality is this: After the loss of the single desk the coalition promised farmers a good amount of time of stasis, then review, before further deregulation – Abbott can’t support it now because he would be breaking the coalitions 2008 promise to the coalitions partner and tens of thousands of farmers who are all coalition voters.
I have just looked to see what Mk 50 might mean other than half a morally kurrupt person. I find that it is a torpedo.
One of the more hilarious things about this site is the names that you contributors choose.
Most of the men have chosen really masculine names and the ladies have chosen mainly nice feminine ones.
A man with a weak personality and a tendency towards shyness might choose a strong name like tiger, or an elephant as a symbol of strength, or JC as a reference to omnipotence. The “Lefties” mostly have used their own names. e.g. Alan, Steve, Alice.
Does this have any significance?
hey alan, wasn’t it you who wished me a gang rape by bikies on a deserted island?
People, please!
alan is not the troll we need removed from here.
OK, I’ve been very indulgent of him, because he is funny. Others may not agree, but he’s never resorted to insults or abuse (something that could be alleged against yours truly), but more importantly, he’s a proud purveyor of shockingly bad poetry, of which there isn’t enough in this world.
There are far worse trolls that infest this blog.
We should refocus on them.
P.S. Gab – I remember the comment cited at the top and that was not my interpretation.
System of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control; also, the political movements aimed at putting that system into practice. Because “social control” may be interpreted in widely diverging ways, socialism ranges from statist to libertarian, from Marxist to liberal. The term was first used to describe the doctrines of Charles Fourier, Henri de Saint-Simon, and Robert Owen, who emphasized noncoercive communities of people working noncompetitively for the spiritual and physical well-being of all (see utopian socialism). Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, seeing socialism as a transition state between capitalism and communism, appropriated what they found useful in socialist movements to develop their “scientific socialism.” In the 20th century, the Soviet Union was the principal model of strictly centralized socialism, while Sweden and Denmark were well-known for their non communist socialism.
This doesn’t look like a recipe for serial killing either.
Yes Gabby it was me that you accused of of saying that. I already said that I was sorry that you took my comment to mean that. Your persistence in claiming that something as morally abhorrent as to expose some poor bikies to your acid wit and your self appointed control of this blog would lead me to suspect that you have decided to make me a personal project.
Do you think it at all possible for you to use my name as shown on my moniker, alan? I am not “Gabby” and you are not a freind that can be so familiar.
Here’s what you said:
If you want to live in a world that only runs by the rules you stipulate, perhaps a spell on a Desert Island with a band of Bikies who also have different rules may straighten you up a bit.
Fair dimkum Gab, if I wasn’t reading on the web I would never have known there were those probs in NYC. Midtown was basically back to normal the day after. Day after that there was almost no physical sign of the storm other than lots of cop and ambulance sirens.
Of course our daughter was with us as she wasn’t able to get back to the West Village.
If you want to live in a world that only runs by the rules you stipulate, perhaps a spell on a Desert Island with a band of Bikies who also have different rules may straighten you up a bit.
Well Gabby I might see my way clear to call you by your chosen blog name if the contributors to the blog start showing a bit of respect to our Prime Minister, our Treasurer and other Ministers of the Crown. I would also like them to stop being rude about the Governor General, who is after all the Queen’s representative in Oz. Calling President Obama “Obongo” is not a very nice thing either.xx
P.S. I’m so sorry that I am not considered to be a “freind” I would much rather be your “Friend” xx
Hagus was being an arsehole with that comment. He also groveled an apology straight after.
If it was up to me I’d send that fucker back to where he came from. No doubt he was a 70′s British import.
They would have to rank right up there with the Lebo Muzzos as the worst fucking imports of all time. Lebo Muzzos and 70′s Brit imports. The worst batch of ne’er-do-wells in the nation’s history.
I take it that it is all over between us now Gabby.
Yes Hesus, the best deal Australia ever made.
Ten Pounds sterling purchased a good worker, and a regular tax payer, who has never been unemployed since that Happy Day that I stepped off the boat.
Fortunately for me I never had to resort to the dubious method of remuneration that the Cannibals like you.Stripping the flesh from the bones of “Howard’s Battlers”. I never bought any telstra shares and I bet you only bought them from the old people next door at a “special” rate to “help them out” Get a proper job like jolly good workers from my Boat.good
Well Gabby I might see my way clear to call you by your chosen blog name if the contributors to the blog start showing a bit of respect to our Prime Minister, our Treasurer and other Ministers of the Crown.
It should be okay to disrespect powerful people, especially if you dislike what they do with power.
I never bought any telstra shares and I bet you only bought them from the old people next door at a “special” rate to “help them out” Get a proper job like jolly good workers from my Boat.good
So Tillers blusters and hides, and poor old deluded Alan thinks I am a socialist.
This doesn’t look like a recipe for serial killing either.
Who said anything about serial killers? The outcome of Socialism at best is misery for the populace and socio-economic failure; and all too often mass murder by the power-elite socialist-inspired governments always develop. Witness the mass slaughters of the Leninist, Stalinist, Hitlerite, Maoist, Kim-dynasty, Khmer Rouge and Castroite governments just to name a few. Every one of which was inspired by, rooted in, or directly implementing “Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, seeing socialism as a transition state between capitalism and communism, appropriated what they found useful in socialist movements to develop their “scientific socialism.””
As I have said many times here Alan you F.U.N., I am an Imperialist, (one with a great deal of sympathy for Libertarian positions).
Oh, and you’ll not get the handle. It’s neither the torpedo nor the helicopter, but an in-joke relating to an incident involving me many years ago, a stuff-up I made, an expensive piece of equipment which failed at the perfectly inopportune time, and something very funny (in retrospect) which resulted from the immense amount of physical work the whole shenanigans caused.
I never bought any telstra shares and I bet you only bought them from the old people next door at a “special” rate to “help them out” Get a proper job like jolly good workers from my Boat.good
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Hagus, I couldn’t give a rats if you bought them or not.
Well Gabby I might see my way clear to call you by your chosen blog name if the contributors to the blog start showing a bit of respect to our Prime Minister, our Treasurer and other Ministers of the Crown. I would also like them to stop being rude about the Governor General, who is after all the Queen’s representative in Oz. Calling President Obama “Obongo” is not a very nice thing either.xx
P.S. I’m so sorry that I am not considered to be a “freind” I would much rather be your “Friend” xx
I’m sure you would like to be Administrator of the Cat as well.
You have asked for us to respect the most contemptable cabal in the history of Australian politics.
A person earns respect, neither you or the cabal you speak of has done so.
“katallattein”, which means not only “to exchange” but also “to admit in the community” and “to change from enemy into friend”
Speaking of the sycophantic media, it’s amazing how little has been reported over Labor’s backflip on immigration/border protection policy this week. Well, okay, not that amazing given the Canberra presstitutes will do anything to polish Labor lies to gleaming gold-plated finish.
Apparently it is acceptable and laudable for the likes of Bowen to “change his mind” however unacceptable when the Libs do that – in which case the presstitutes label it as “flip-flopping” or “Abbott’s a weathervane”. The bias is disgusting and worthy of a North Korean government stamp of approval.
Here’s Bowen in 2006 talking about the same thing he did this week:
Mr BOWEN (10:17 AM) —In 1951 the United Nations convention for the protection of refugees came into force. The world realised the mistakes of the 1930s, when many Western nations turned their backs on Jews fleeing persecution in Germany. Collectively, we said, ‘Never again.’ I am sure that all of us involved in public life would like to think that we would have done the right thing in those circumstances and stood up for those facing the worst of circumstances, regardless of whether it was popular or unpopular. If the Migration Amendment (Designated Unauthorised Arrivals) Bill 2006 passes the parliament today, it will be the day that Australia turned its back on the refugee convention and on refugees escaping circumstances that most of us can only imagine. This is a bad bill with no redeeming features. It is a hypocritical and illogical bill. If it is passed today, it will be a stain on our national character. The people who will be disadvantaged by this bill are in fear of their lives, and we should never turn our back on them. They are people who could make a real contribution to Australia.
Ben Fordham takes Bowen to task and the interview gets very heated as Bowen tries to squirm his way out of answering some pointed questions – questions that no Fairfax “journalist” or ABC “reporter” will ever ask of this government.
You miss my point Rudiau, it is the position that demands respect, and the fact that these people have been voted into Office by a substantial group of people should also be respected. That is what Democracy is all about. When the coalition get their turn I will show them the respect of office even although I might not agree with them.
How did helping Stevieliar QC go for you Al? You’ve come back pretty tough. First it was the biker talk and now you’ve gone all respectful. You should hang out with that loser a bit more. Keep lecturing you brave lad.
Hey Candy, just for you in case you haven’t seen it.
I guess the Lying Slapper and her Gal Queda coven members will be shrieking “misogynist” again over Abbott and his daughters being some imagined affront to gillard.
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This is not aimed at any particular user of this blog. Just a gentle reminder that actions have reactions that may ruin emerging minds.
You are flogging a dead horse. Lefties like us should piss off from this place for the rest of November. Then all they could do is scream at links.
Dover Beach, had trouble finding adequate links for your request. You’ll probably need to read some mathematics papers on the subject. The issue of the excluded excluded middle as been kicking around in mathematics for quite some time now. Just weird, nearly as weird as physicists and mathematicians writing about negative probabilities. They take that both issues very seriously. Too weird for me.
I would like to indulge you Rabz, but inspiration is a fickle thing. Do you have any particular subject that you would like illuminated.
Just note that I can not be seen currying favor or making any direct attack on any sensitive souls that may take offense to perceived victimization
Tiny Dancer.
Yes the break has done me good, thank you for your concern.
The burden of Education is almost to heavy to bear. But with your support I may be able to spread the message of true Socialism. Thank you once again for your support. Maybe you could gather a little bit of help for me from the other Cats.
You miss my point Rudiau, it is the position that demands respect, and the fact that these people have been voted into Office by a substantial group of people should also be respected.
This government was not voted into Office by a substantial group. It is a hung Parliament, and it’s hunging on by the skin of its teeth.
These people have debased the very Parliament they sit in day after day, prating on about ‘misogyny’ and ‘relentless negativity’ while trashing the economy via the carbon tax we were never going to have, the decimation of the live export up north, the mining tax/royalty theft and the ever encroaching totalitarian tsunami that you obviously look forward to, Alan.
They do not deserve my respect. They deserve my undying contempt for the way they spit on this country.
They do not represent me, nor my family, nor my friends.
They also do not represent a growing number of disaffected Labor voters who look to their putative Leader and wonder when they voted in a shrill, scolding harpy (but I repeat myself) who does not understand their concerns, nor does she care.
She has, as has been pointed out, the morals of an alley cat, and we’re always told we should respect everyone’s culture but our own yet she does not.
She has no shame or guilt, apparently, at flaunting her status as a woman who is happy to sleep around and currently live in an unmarried status.
Lefties like us should piss off from this place for the rest of November. Then all they could do is scream at links.
You’re such a sensible soul, DS. Life would be so much simpler if you showed some appreciation of the millions of dollars we have spent on propaganda channels for the hive mind that were designed to drown us out. Over there, you can post ’til you’re heart’s content and receive nothing but tailor-made agreement and giddily seductive argument without all the profanity.
Anyway, you’ll probably be needed as a witness in next year’s Finkelstein show trials.
Likewise, Dogshit’s Uncle, your presence here is very ungrateful of the propaganda channels we have provided just for you. Hours of pleasant banter await, although there is a time limit on our largesse: it expires in November next year.
Fema has run out of water. It’s run out of water, you fucking turd.
n fact, the agency appears to have been completely unprepared to distribute bottled water to Hurricane Sandy victims when the storm hit this Monday. In contrast to its stated policy, FEMA failed to have any meaningful supplies of bottled water — or any other supplies, for that matter — stored in nearby facilities as it had proclaimed it would on its website. This was the case despite several days advance warning of the impending storm.
When the coalition get their turn I will show them the respect of office even although I might not agree with them.
Another blatant lie from an old socialist. Yes, one who might have been deemed to have a heart when young, but now that he’s old and still a socialist, can be said with certainty to have been a slow or non-learner in his progress through life.
Given the shape-shifting, the diagnosis of Deveney’s Disease seems accurate. How someone of the left can plead “civility” at this stage, with its own mask slipping as often as that of the regime it loves, is a moot point.
This thread is another I hope Sinc enjoys reading, but it’s full of shit from at least three of the smarmy leftoid interlopers who don’t deserve to waste space here.
Does Kevni the closet moron even understand that business will, and do, recruit people from Asia because they have not just the language skills but the cultural skills as well.
Thanks Gab. Erudite as usual, and witty as well.
Where do we get these trolls from? There’s a rumour that when JC stopped giving Welcome To Country speeches, is when the latest infestation arrived.
If so, JC, back to the invocation stand, please.
nilk,
I started a response to the bikie rape fan addressing his points, as you have brilliantly done, but then for troll feeding reasons decided against it.
BTW, You expressed my sentiments ten fold better than I could have, bravo.
This government was not voted into Office by a substantial group. It is a hung Parliament, and it’s hunging on by the skin of its teeth.
Indeed. Gillard prostituted herself, to the greenslime, to gain power at the expense of a promise to the electorate of no CO2 tax.
From disrespecting married women, union members, the electorate it always been about her and power at any cost, monetarily and ethically.
Tasmania’s finances have become such a national joke that they are even appearing in criminal court cases:
“But under cross examination by the defence barrister Julie Hickleton, for one of the four defendants, Nathan Stuart, the witness admitted he had spent $55,000 on a boat, $17,000 on a BMW, $55,000 on a customised Harley Davidson motorcycle, $15,000 on a unit for his mistress and $6500 on jewellery for his wife.
In addition, he had lost $200,000 at the Sydney casino and had put a deposit of either $42,000 or $100,000 on a Bentley. There was another $250,000 invested in a Sydney restaurant “and then he spent $12,000 on his personal trainer and prostitutes”.
All up, Ms Hickleton told the jury in her closing address, he had spent $824,900 in just seven months.
“Ladies and gentlemen, I don’t want to be flippant, but this man has better cash flow than the state of Tasmania,” she said.”
She’s a cute gal, but needs to hit the gym even more. Then they need to make her opposition leader post-Gillard, giving me the only reason, albeit a deal-sealing one, to vote ALP that I will encounter in my life.
“Kids will respond to that and they will master these languages and become as they were, the army of the future in our economic engagement with the neighbourhood,”
Yes, Rudd – if companies offered more jobs with foreign language requirements, this would indeed encourage more people to learn said languages – that’s how the market works.
The reason companies don’t offer more of these jobs, is because THERE’S NO DEMAND FOR IT.
Thanks, Rudiau. I’m actually feeling crap today, and so not in the mood for trolls. Usually I ignore them, but alan with his faux calls for civility just got my goat.
It’s not very respectful to call people by other than their online names, and he wants to cry about insults while he does that?
I’m just not in the mood for it.
And while I love it when Mk50 and Infidel Tiger and the others let fly, I’m trying to give up profanity as a habit.
I’ve been doing a bit of work for a company that has operations in Japan, China, Honkers, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Korea, Taiwan and India.
Which asian language should I learn?
Simple.
English.
It’s the common language that everyone in the company speaks. I have guys working for me in Australia that were born in Hong Kong. We suggested sending one of them up to China recently to sort some stuff out. His response was, “No f*cking way. I hate the place, and besides, I can’t speak their lingo”.
Glad that you didn’t like my verse. 0/10 is high praise indeed from you.
Also the Beatles song went straight to my memory bank, when all we needed was Love. Something that is scarce on this blog. I sort of have the feeling that they even despise themselves.
Poor bilko, a little bit out of sorts.
I even have compassion for you, and I’m glad that you are trying to clean up your potty mouth.I’m also sorry about your name changes, but Hesus started it with naughty swearwords and his “Hi Alan” and Hagus.Listen to the Beatles and change your Karma.
Personal likes and dislikes should not enter discussion. I look forward to a meaningful relationship in the future. The Cat should be a place for the exchange and evaluation of facts, not an agony Aunt column.
But today you said;
Well Gabby I might see my way clear to call you by your chosen blog name if the contributors to the blog start showing a bit of respect to our Prime Minister, our Treasurer and other Ministers of the Crown. I would also like them to stop being rude about the Governor General, who is after all the Queen’s representative in Oz.
No thanks. I reserve the right to be strung out from time to time. But then again, I don’t regard accusing people I’ve just met of being rapists, murderers, as a fun time.
Notice how wound tight the trolls are?
It’s what separates us from them.
Nothing separates us from them.
The 99 percent and 47 percent are tribalist fictions.
Really, these trolls have one move, in a few steps.
1. First of all they aren’t even that good (Tillman is washed up), they just run interference when a good argument is made. They want to shut down ideas.
2. A good counter argument is shut down by incessant blather or absurd ad hom.
3. They play the Princess card when they get it back or or questioned for their unhinged beliefs or personae.
4. They cry to Sinc, then play the ball until it is forgotten.
Good. This blog has rattled some people who have something to lose. If it scares the shit out of subsidy whores or some PR twit in the ALP, I’m very happy.
The correct response by Sinc would be to ban people for stupidity. At worst, the trolls would have to lift their game.
I have an ongoing feud with Alice. She has basically made up a false career (which I have thoroughly debunked) to win on arguing from authority. She staked it all on not being able to buy cheap milk whenever she likes. What a thieving, money grubbing idiot. She might be the least worst because she is probably unhinged and can’t handle her liquor.
At least one of these trolls also has multiple accounts. The MO is remarkably similar for a few of them.
Minor disturbance in Bankstown today – mother leaves baby in car, cops attend, brother and cousin of mother show up and next thing you know, capsicum spray and tasers are being used and cops are being called in from all over the place.
Community advocate for south-west Sydney, Rebecca Kay, has taken statements from eight people who saw the “riot” that was witnessed by up to 100 people.
Those who were sprayed will make an official complaint, she said.
Ms Kay said about 10 squad cars arrived on the scene and further escalated the trouble.
“One officer pulled out his Taser,” she said. “The street was closed off, there were many people sprayed with capsicum spray, mums, kids, men and women, innocent bystanders. Police sprayed everyone,” she said.
“The police were saying inappropriate things, racist and anti-Islamic comments. There needs [to be] respect, this behaviour harms relations between police and the community that we are trying to build.”
Ms Kay said a community meeting is being held in Punchbowl on Wednesday.
I enjoy troll-squishing. It’s a chance to use their own tactics against them, and to have some fun doing so, for they so hate it when you turn their own tactics on them.
It makes their lower lips tremble, and their beady little eyes fill with tears.
Then they go running to Sinc about the big meanies who are treating them… just like they treat others.
So unfair.
Also amusing is they way they gradually let their inner racist totalitarianism out as one baits them. Normally, they hide this pretty well behind smug condescension, their own ignorance and smarmy faux-moralising.
Alan has already revealed his callous ignorance and liking for totalitarianism. At least he accepts that Lenin, Hitler, Stalin and Mao are all socialists of the same cloth as him, which is nice – but I think he accepts it out of ignorance.
I enjoy troll-squishing. It’s a chance to use their own tactics against them,
except that alan didn’t use the tactics you used, specifically a chain of dodgy reasoning to argue that he was cool with mass murder.
And because you addressed things he didn’t say and doesn’t believe, while at the same time let things he did say go unchallenged, he remained decidedly un-squished.
I want to get a tshirt made up with a picture of a mountain of skulls and the caption “Socialism! Because 100 million corpses can’t be wrong!” on it.
I’d like to wear it to one of those regular get togethers the socialists and anarchists have here in the City. Of course, I’d probably get punched out, much as I got warned not to go near the “Occupy Melbourne” idiots with my I (heart) Max Brenner tshirt, but that’s an occupational hazard.
The police would probably arrest me for incitement, too.
Thank you jumpinmcar. I would like to call you that. You haven’t been rude to me, nor has Rabz or dd.
As for the other bit, I held out a hand for compromise but the offer was dashed to the floor. Should I be nice while others are not? Think on it.
The verse was only for Rabz, so comment from you is not required.
I swear, every 2nd post on this thread is from fuckwit Alan.
Sinc, please do us all a favour and send this deplorable fuckwit to the outer edges of cyber space.
Even SfB talks more sense than this cocksmoker.
I admit that I may have had the occasional cider as well as lager this afternoon, and I will also admit to descending to the lowest common denominator in terms of my language, however this distasteful Cnut really does need to be dispersed into the ether.
What purpose is he serving other that being a voice for the loony left?
Alan, fuck off and die you miserable cnut. Apart from being a mentally deranged masochist, what are you trying to achieve by commenting here?
If you were genuinely interested in political discourse you would be a
touch more moderate in your posts.
Instead of moderation, we find deliberate contrarianism.
Fuck off Alan/Bob cocksmoker, whatever you want to call yourself.
want to get a tshirt made up with a picture of a mountain of skulls and the caption “Socialism! Because 100 million corpses can’t be wrong!” on it.
I thought you were not well bilko. You must have a very large chest or a very little pile of skulls. The only thing you may get on your t shirt is vomit. I don’t think they arrest people for nearly doing something. They may arrest you for EXCITEMENT. I would.
I held out a hand for compromise but the offer was dashed to the floor.
Hahahahahahaha! Dogshit’s Uncle actually thinks he’s selling something that someone here wants to buy. I slam the phone down with glee on poor old duffers like Unc three times a week (when they get through my spam filter).
Gatecrasher pleads for civility. Insults everyone. Spouts the usual crappola. Gets an armchair from moderators. Nice blog we end up having here in the name of openness or libertarianism, when all these trolls are laughing at the “open borders policy”.
The “be mean to trolls” policy doesn’t work nearly as well as Andrea Harris’ big spear used to at Blair’s old blog. In fact it’s a dodge.
Good night all.
except that alan didn’t use the tactics you used, specifically a chain of dodgy reasoning to argue that he was cool with mass murder.
And because you addressed things he didn’t say and doesn’t believe, while at the same time let things he did say go unchallenged, he remained decidedly un-squished.
Ouch. Unfortunately I don’t think Mk50 is bright enough to grasp what a brutal put-down that is.
So what, DD? He’s a left-wing troll, so using standard left-wing tactics against him is fine. It’s irrelevant is he’s not using part of the normal lefty playbook.
specifically a chain of dodgy reasoning to argue that he was cool with mass murder.
Yes, that pretty much sums up one (among many) of the standard left-wing tactics. Turn-about is fair play with them. Just don’t use such tactics against non-lefties.
And because you addressed things he didn’t say and doesn’t believe, while at the same time let things he did say go unchallenged, he remained decidedly un-squished.
So what?
There’s plenty of time and no need to rush, is there? It’s not like he’s going to go away, is it?
Damascene conversions among trolls are as rare as unicorns.
I mean, look at the self-proclaimed military historian Tillers. Like herpes, he’s back. For some reason, these racist totalitarians find libertarian sites irresistible.
Thanks, I’m of the opinion that a Mitt Romney administration would be better for Australia and it’s economy and security.
I don’t think that discussion has been had at the Cat.
( if i’m mistaken, sorry Sinc )
This sit e needs an ignore function like on messenger or chat rooms. The ability click an ignore button then click on the offending troll thus turning their trip to blank white.
I,m sure the technology is there. Failing this just don’t feed them.
Gab,
This is a ” name your price* ” favour i am asking of you and your magic internet skills.
A grab take of K Rudd literally explaining ” Keynesian ” to the editor of the Australian and PVO on sky tonight.
He ( rudd ) is a devout follower,i know, but the teacher like delivery is amazing.
(* be gentle please)
You’ve got to be kidding me. Are these people just stuck on stupid?
WILDLIFE corridors stretching across state borders could be given funding priority under a federal government plan to help Australian fauna adapt to climate change.
So what, DD? He’s a left-wing troll, so using standard left-wing tactics against him is fine. It’s irrelevant is he’s not using part of the normal lefty playbook.
The state polls are weird. In the latest poll, conducted for AFF, Romney has taken a 1 point lead in Minnesota:
Romney takes 46 percent of the vote to Obama’s 45 percent in the poll, which was conducted by the GOP firm NMB Research and shared with POLITICO. The Republican presidential nominee is up 13 points among independents, ahead of Obama 49 percent to 36 percent.
Dover Beach, had trouble finding adequate links for your request. You’ll probably need to read some mathematics papers on the subject. The issue of the excluded excluded middle as been kicking around in mathematics for quite some time now.
I don’t think it’s complicated. In classical 2-valued logic, all propositions are strictly either true or false. That’s the law of the excluded middle. But in 3-valued logic, besides true and false, you have a third value called unknown or undefined or whatever.
So for instance if we had the logical proposition “Fred is 34 years old”, then what is its truth value? It could be true or false. But what if we didn’t have any data about Fred’s age? We couldn’t then say that the proposition was either true or false. If we had a 3-valued logic, we could assign it the truth value of unknown.
Logicians define rules for working with unknown values. There are many different possible logics depending on the particular rules you choose. Some logics are more useful than others.
Dangph, I understand that, but I don’t see how that example contradicts the law of the excluded middle. Fred is either 34 or not 34; that we might be unable to confirm either doesn’t mean he is neither 34 nor not 34. It seems to be that those logic systems that deal with an ‘included middle’ may simply have found a way to deal with situations where neither A nor not A can be dealt with formally.
Australian Agenda SKY googled, I found this so save and listen, this may be it.
I haven’t listened to them, no time. It’s updated regularly and that’s why I suggest save it.
An in-depth look at the week in politics. Featuring leading political figures and commentators including Paul Kelly, Dennis Shanahan, Peter Van Onselen and David Speers; the program sets the agenda for national affairs. Hosted by Helen Dalley.
Updated: Every Sunday
Dangph, I understand that, but I don’t see how that example contradicts the law of the excluded middle. Fred is either 34 or not 34; that we might be unable to confirm either doesn’t mean he is neither 34 nor not 34.
DB, fair enough. You are taking the law of the excluded middle as some kind of fundamental law of the universe whereas I was taking it as a property of a formal system. I’m a pragmatist by inclination. I prefer not to think about fundamental laws of the universe.
I would observe however that Schrödinger’s cat would seem to violate your law of the excluded middle. The proposition that “Schrödinger’s cat is alive” is neither true nor false.
Alan, I trust you are NOT the leftie Alan who was banned from this site a few months ago for an extreme attack of incivility bordering on the criminal with the charming suggestion that I should be ‘gang banged’, and who thus now is compensating with an over-indulgence in civility. Not that Alan, I hope.
The Cat is not a kindergarten hand-holding place, nor should it be. It is a blog for a particular viewpoint on economic theory and political expression. If you are pleading socialism here, expect to be whacked, hard, as nothing but a troll on such a site as this. Go somewhere else. We have no truck with such nonsense.
And Lord Tillman, MK50 has a considerable intellect displayed here on the Cat over a very much longer time that you have been here. He has earned his right to attack immediately apparent and demonstrated fools; you have not.
American Thinker, by Clarice Feldman disaster, President Obama said: “In times of crisis, “we pull together, we leave nobody behind, we make sure we respond as a nation,” Obama said, reprising one of his 2012 campaign themes. “Whenever an American is in need, all of us stand together in providing the help that is necessary,” he added.” Not only “leave nobody behind”, but “providing the help that is necessary.” It was an amazingly audacious lie
-Burglar stole £1,000 haul – including digital camera, camcorder, laptop, and wristwatch – from Connor Kendall’s family home in Cornwall
-Police took fingerprints but said it was unlikely the thief would be caught
Hi Gab, good on him.
My family in Sydney work on The Big Bike Ride (this year I think it was Sydney-Wollongong.
Mum phoned me today to say that one of their radio repeater stations and the batteries etc were stolen from within Royal National Park, near Waterfall.
The repeater was up high to boost radio from down low up to the ridge.
Vanished.
Police said they didn’t have much chance of finding it.
The wires had been disconnected, maybe there were fingerprints, but they said they wouldn’t be viable.
The people who work on these things are all volunteers, the equipment is owned by rescue units or other volunteers (the rescue units are all volunteers, no one is paid).
I wonder if this stuff will ever turn up – brother said probably on e-Bay, the stuff that they knew what it was, the rest was probably thrown away.
Winston, she says with a stern voice, you should be in bed and getting your cell repair in full-on nothing-else-to-do throttle.
Gosh, though, it is good to see you up and so lively so soon.
I am off now to ensure that my cell repair is operational so that no lines will start to scour my visage and that my dancing tomorrow morning is up to scratch.
The Romney queue looked weird. I can’t imagine an Aussie crowd queuing to see a politician. Then I remembered the crowds that gather to see someone they do respect . . .
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When the Libs are 53-47 in front, and you ask about preferred leaders as a supplementary question, does it never occur to the pollsters that ALP and Greenie morons will nominate the person they view as the lesser political threat, and whom they will NEVER vote for?
Tillman has been absent for a while, but is of far greater vintage.
Jarrah, you do jog my memory. A Tillman, not a Lord one, was around when I first started coming here. Got himself banned.
So he should know better, imho, than to call MK50 a troll.
These multiple personalities that arise on the Cat can do my head in if I let them. Lizzie I was, am, and always will be. Same as Winston is always Winston to me.
Except when I am Elizabeth and being a bit elegant.
According to a Galaxy poll of 1003 people conducted over the weekend, not only Labor voters prefer Mr Turnbull over Mr Abbott but for the first time, the majority of Coalition voters – 51 per cent – agree.
Interesting, if true. I wonder how many might have falsely identified as Coalition voters? How do they weed out that kind of thing?
Turncoat would be the path to oblivion for the Coalition.
CHRISTIAN ADAMS ON VOTER FRAUD: “We can learn a lot from Democrats by what they oppose. While Maryland Congressman Elijah Cummings tells us there is no vote fraud, fellow Maryland congressional candidate Wendy Rosen is committing federal felonies by voting both in Maryland and Florida. While the NAACP is leading the charge against photo voter identification, Lessadolla Sowers from the NAACP heads off to prison for voting for dead voters. While Brian Moran, Virginia’s Democrat chair, rails against voter integrity, his nephew Pat is caught on camera plotting the use of forged documents at the polls to help President Obama.”
The group will post a full page ad in the Washington Times on Monday. The advertisement will have the headline, “We, the undersigned, proudly support Governor Mitt Romney as our nation’s next President and Commander-in-Chief,” followed by the names of the former military commanders.
A spokesman for the group emphasized its independence from the official campaign. The Romney campaign has not sanctioned this ad buy, a spokesman said, and the members of the group are paying the fee themselves.
Animated map of 2012 US presidential election campaigning
Interesting but not super informative. Romney spending time in PA is super informative I think. It could be the signal that he is looking for the big win.
Has anyone else heard that Ryan is AWOL on the campaign? A health problem maybe?
Has anyone else heard that Ryan is AWOL on the campaign?
I haven’t heard it, but I have noticed it. I was wondering what was up with that… Maybe it’s just a media reporting thing. After all, I’ve only heard of Biden because of his constant gaffes!
No spiders or cockroaches today (well, one spider, but it was already dead), but ants galore! A slight spill last night, and they find it… how do they do that?!
Hey Dog, I got to start a race at the Nashville Speedway (NASCAR style, lower grade). Best fun EVA (including being pelted with grit as they passed start-finish).
I’m tendering my resignation as a commenter in protest at the inaction to deal with gatecrashers who devalue the blog. From now I’m reverting to lurker. They win.
I suppose there is a Faffer curve equivalent for arsehole trolls, Sinc? When do you determine the trollery is putting the site into reverse and discouraging useful commentary?
I suppose there is a Laffer curve equivalent for arsehole trolls, Sinc? When do you determine the trollery is putting the site into reverse and discouraging useful commentary?
This is too funny. Warren Mundine points out the problem with indigenous politics in the ALP, and Linda Burney proves it.
ABORIGINAL Labor politicians have hit back at Warren Mundine’s attack on his former party, saying ALP governments have been responsible for every significant milestone in indigenous affairs since the 1970s.
The blowback came as the former ALP national president – who revealed exclusively in The Weekend Australian he had renounced the membership he held for decades – ramped up his condemnation of Labor’s record on combating indigenous disadvantage.
Mr Mundine, the chief executive of the Generation One indigenous action group, accused the party of “having no credibility” on Aboriginal issues.
“What is happening is that the Labor Party has been very focused on touch-feely symbolism. But on the ground it made not one iota of change in people’s lives,” Mr Mundine told The Australian yesterday. “They are great on vision, but the implementation is not very good.”
But several Labor luminaries yesterday dismissed Mr Mundine’s statements as glib.
The first Aborigine elected to NSW parliament, Linda Burney, said that from the time Gough Whitlam buried the White Australia policy in 1973, Labor had been in power during every milestone in Aboriginal affairs.
-Police took fingerprints but said it was unlikely the thief would be caught
Obviously, these are the plods the AFP learned their craft from.
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I haven’t heard it, but I have noticed it. I was wondering what was up with that… Maybe it’s just a media reporting thing. After all, I’ve only heard of Biden because of his constant gaffes!
Ryan has been campaigning hard, working especially hard with Soctt Walker in Wisconsin and surrounding states (Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan). It just isn’t reported as the focus is on Mitt.
By contrast the Dems have until recently not been focusing on these states. When you are aware of that does it suprise you the polls in those states have been trending Republican?
Where are the candidates going to be between now and Election Day? What states are they visiting? What TV markets are they hitting? Where are their major surrogates going to be? And where are they placing those precious last-minute ad buys?
The U.S. is a continental country and the swing states are spread out from Nevada to New Hampshire,. from Florida to Iowa. The campaign planes can only fly so many miles in so many hours and it is crucial that planners in both camps maximize the impact their principles can have on a given state.
The Christian Science Monitor lists the states both candidates will be hitting in the next few days:
On Thursday, Mr. Obama will be in Wisconsin, Nevada, and Colorado. Friday, he’s campaigning in Ohio. Saturday is Ohio, Wisconsin again, then Iowa and Virginia. Sunday is New Hampshire, Florida, a return to Ohio, and another stop in Colorado. Monday is (whew!) Wisconsin, Ohio, and Iowa.
Mr. Romney’s schedule isn’t quite as crammed, at least not yet. On Thursday, the Massachusetts ex-governor is supposed to spend all day in Virginia. Friday is Wisconsin and Ohio. Saturday, he’s hitting New Hampshire, Colorado, and Iowa. His Sunday destinations have yet to be announced, but on Monday, he’s planning to be in Manchester, N.H.
Mr. Romney has since added a stop in Pennsylvania on Sunday. With the polls tightening in the state, the GOP candidate is not only going to visit, but has bought nearly a million dollars in ads to air through Tuesday. As if to confirm that the state is in play, the president’s campaign has also purchased a sizable chunk of time in the Keystone State, spending $1.6 million in a state he won by 10 points in 2008.
Happy to report that qantas flight was much improved over my last one. Currently in the land of free – did a straw poll ( sample size one) on who will win the election, answer was too close to call, from self confessed swing voter who lives in the city of angels. Says it was no contest until the first debate, which changed everything. Say his republican friends are embarrassed at the ‘far rght’ wing of the party but they like Romney because has plenty of moderate history (ie romneycare, I think)
There you go, reporting from the ground as I find it.
It is just a statist state, where most media (including those which are supposed to be private or privatized) are under either the direct or indirect supervision of the state meritocracy (or “state nobility,” as the ultra-left philosopher Pierre Bourdieu used to call it), i.e., the nation’s ruling class, a Janus-like Leviathan with both a conservative-Gaullist face and a left-wing-Gaullist face.
Citizens, however, do no get the point. They think their media are in fact free and that their journalists are usually honest and courageous. Again, it has to do with age-old traditions and delusions.
This is the cancer that comes from a media that allows itself to be dictated to by the state.
The other leftist clown Nobel laureate economist Joe
Stiglitz in Slate: It’s Obama’s World
People outside the U.S. would vote for Obama if they could. There’s a reason for that.
Most people around the world will not be able to vote in the upcoming U.S. election, even though they have a great deal at stake. Overwhelmingly, non-U.S. citizens favor Barack Obama’s re-election over a victory for his challenger, Mitt Romney. There are good reasons for this.
In terms of the economy, the effects of Romney’s policies in creating a more unequal and divided society would not be directly felt abroad. But, in the past, for better and for worse, others have often followed America’s example. Many governments quickly subscribed to Ronald Reagan’s mantra of deregulated markets—policies that eventually brought about the worst global recession since the 1930s. Other countries that followed America’s lead have experienced growing inequality—more money at the top, more poverty at the bottom, and a weaker middle class…….
Consider, for example, the three issues that are at the center of the global agenda mentioned earlier: climate change, financial regulation, and trade. Romney has been silent on the first, and many in his party are “climate deniers.” The world cannot expect genuine leadership from Romney there.
Many governments quickly subscribed to Ronald Reagan’s mantra of deregulated markets—policies that eventually brought about the worst global recession since the 1930s.
Does Stiglitz even know what a “no recourse mortgage” is?
Futile medical care is the continued provision of medical care or treatment to a patient when there is no reasonable hope of a cure or benefit. This may be in the form of a surgeon operating on a terminal cancer patient or doctors keeping a brain-dead person on life-support machines for reasons other than to harvest their organs. It is a sensitive area that often causes conflicts between medical practitioners and patients or kin, who expect everything possible to be done for their loved ones, regardless of the cost or implications for other patients.
Here is an interesting argument that I had not give a lot of thought to until I heard Norman Swan mention it this morning on Radio National.
This may not significant to many, but as the natural end to life approaches, is something that I may have to deal with.
N.B. this is not directed at any person on Cat or at any person known to Cat.
It seems most opposition to foul language is from a moralistic approach, but what about the practical side of being well-spoken? With many accepting swear words and their dorky substitutes (“what the heck?” “WTF”) as common lingo, many in our society — including some business prospects — still find common vulgarity foreign and offensive, or just unprofessional. While some esteemed friends of mine are pushing for the devaluing of the F-word for greater expression, many affluent businesses are starting to address the heavy proliferation of cursing in the workplace and its affect on their diverse employee base and customers.
In continuation of the discussion on “Coarse Language”
this may be of some value.
My personal experience as the recipient of abuse extends from the start of my working life to my recent experiences on Cat.
I found it easy to slip into that style of talking as I spent nearly 54 years of using expletives to demonstrate my frustration, my joy or just to be naughty. I have learned from my brief existence here (Cat) that once said, even in jest, the ramifications of abuse in the printed word cannot be recalled.
many affluent businesses are starting to address the heavy proliferation of cursing in the workplace and its affect on their diverse employee base and customers
A lot has been written lately about how, given these two options, we’d be better off going with Romney, because he supposedly can control the crazies in his party to deliver his side of these grand bargains — but, by sticking with Obama, we’d only get more gridlock. I don’t buy that for two reasons. First, it would be saying that since Republicans on the far-right managed to obstruct Obama on many fronts, and held the economy hostage, we should let them rule because otherwise they’d do it again. That would only invite Democrats to behave the same way, which would leave us nowhere.
I also don’t buy it because I think the G.O.P. has gone so much farther to the right than the Democrats have gone to left. I do not trust that Romney will be able to tame the radical G.O.P. base without making concessions to it on the environment, the Supreme Court and foreign policy that are not in the nation’s long-term interest.
I think the best thing for the country today would be if the Republicans lost the presidency twice in a row, the way the Democrats did under Ronald Reagan, and then had to undergo the same kind of rethinking and reformation that Democrats did under Bill Clinton, which moved their party solidly into the center-left. Parties learn from defeat, not from victory — especially two defeats in a row.
A lot has been written lately about how, given these two options, we’d be better off going with Romney, because he supposedly can control the crazies in his party to deliver his side of these grand bargains — but, by sticking with Obama, we’d only get more gridlock. I don’t buy that for two reasons.
I don’t buy this arsehole’s BS either.
Eric Holder is a criminal and Barack Obama went to a church that thinks the CIA gave black people AIDS.
They are the crazies, whereas VP Biden is simply off his meds. Notice how the fuckwit has been silenced by his own handlers?
Freidman thinks Ryan isn’t good enough. Unless he was prepared to vote for Schiff or Gary Johnson, I’m calling bullshit.
Fatty O Barrel can’t get enough of these RTA owned, non NSW Police controlled speed traps.
What a rotund prick he is.
The perfect pair. Dorothy and Tommy.Full of hatred and with a diminished use of the English language, which by the way was only lent to you by your slightly dodgy ancestors in trust. Is there anybody in your turgid world that meets the magnificent parameters that you have set for others but not for your selves?
Start by recognizing your own failures before you have the temerity to judge others.
All state run health systems intrinsically have death panels.
The question is whether the people who want medicine to be fully controlled by a socialist system realised they are setting up rules for people to die due to care being unavailable.
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I think the G.O.P. has gone so much farther to the right than the Democrats have gone to left.
Hey, can you define what you mean by “Right” and “Left”?
The question is whether the people who want medicine to be fully controlled by a socialist system realised they are setting up rules for people to die due to care being unavailable.
Good point Token. It may however come down to cost regardless of who is in power.
SAVANNAH GUTHRIE: Yeah, and it can change on a dime if people start feeling that the federal response isn’t what it should be. But, look, when you have a race this tight, things like a hurricane, this can move the needle when you’re talking about a race that’s so close. And I think it was an important moment for the president because in the last three or four weeks of the campaign I don’t think he had been going out of his way to appeal to independents whatsoever.
This is a campaign build to turn out the votes of the party. And here was a moment handed to him, seemingly from above, where he could look like that strong, independent, steady-in-a-storm, very appealing to the middle of the road voters. And, I might add, to unmarried women voters who are going to be very key in this election.
No I don’t, I see the question as being something that should be taken into account before that event happens.
I was pro euthanasia until I saw a doco with Terry Pratchet, a man I respect, now I’m not so sure.
Yes, I can imagine droves of undecided nubile babes fantasising about Bronco Bamma as they go to bed in half removed sexy lingerie because people in NY and NJ have ran out of water, power and fuel.
Maybe they’re thinking about Geraldo’s manly facial hair and his humanitarianism to his Koi carp?
Shut up Alan. You are defending Fatso’s policy of more speed cameras and the imposition of the presumption of guilt, with the prosecution’s case being prima facie correct.
You will get not cordiality as long as you play this trollish route of confected outrage and defend such a fat fascist turd.
Do you believe in a mix of private & public healthcare Alan?
It seems to work quite well. My only criticism is that it does seem to open the door to queue jumping. I have Rellos in the UK that have have nothing but praise for the National Health Service, but there are many detractors.
It seems to work quite well. My only criticism is that it does seem to open the door to queue jumping. I have Rellos in the UK that have have nothing but praise for the National Health Service, but there are many detractors.
Which does? Private or Public health?
I’ve heard that as the UK does not have as mature private system (it does exist for 10-15%?) that competion to get to the head of the queue (i.e. queue jumping) is worse.
You will get not cordiality as long as you play this trollish route of confected outrage and defend such a fat fascist turd.
You seem to forget that I am a Socialist and that Barry O’Farrell is not quite my cup of tea. However he is in charge and what he does can be reviewed at the next election.I am against the cameras if they are only for revenue. The worst thing about them is that they claim that the cameras are for safety purposes but the RTA took 5 weeks to let me know that I was 4km over the limit. I could have been killed in the meantime never knowing that I was at risk.
I’ve heard that as the UK does not have as mature private system (it does exist for 10-15%?) that competion to get to the head of the queue (i.e. queue jumping) is worse.
I really can’t comment much on the UK private system as I have been in OZ most of my life. I think it is Mature in the sense that it has being going a long time. When I was a kid only the “very rich” were the users of the private system. Here I am insured for “top” hospital with no extras. Seems to work ok.
James K. Do you have any personal experience of the NHS?
As for my rellos, of course they look just like me, but they all vote conservative, and very sorry they all sound now. So it goes. The wheel turns.
“Tone apparently unpopular, but the Coalition still lead 53-47 according to Galaxy”
Tony Abbott has been cowed by the misogny speech, and losing a bit of his macho, which is an endearing thing about him, an all round personality rather that just being meek and jelly-like, like M. Turnbull.
Your ALPBC is reporting that the Treasurer Wayne Goosesteen does not accept Deloitte Access Economics prediction that the Budget is already in deficit.
In other news The Goose does not accept night follows day, the sun shall rise in the east and gravity.
I would particularly find it tedious to discuss it here where the views are now typically so far from centre that, Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck like, our Medicare/private health care mix is held to be an outrageous bit of socialist extremism.
Does it the public system get an advantage by having so many people paying all/some of their health costs instead of the government?
I love it Token.
The strategy seems to ask me lots of questions until I make a mistake as I inevitably would.
Then “Whaammo”
I am fairly happy with the system and funding here, I am a little unhappy about the waiting lists, but this seems to be inevitable no matter who is in power. As a general comment I have not fared too badly under either Labor or Coalition.I think that the Doctors etc are good committed people who do their best under the ruling Party of the time.
I am saying I agree with Friedman that the Republicans have run to the Right and become extreme on several views. I have said so before many times.
I am further saying that if you want a definitional argument of what is left and right, I am not going there. I don’t think reasonable people have a problem with the statement “the Republicans have veered Right”. If you don’t know what it means, it’s a good sign you’re unreasonable anyway.
We’ve lucky to have our public health system –
but the snag is that is that too many people are becoming fat, don’t attempt exercise at all, not minimising their alcohol and cigarette use, using illict drugs, and so they’re clogging up the system with diabetes, heart disease, respiratory disease, psychiatric illnesses due to addictions, the list goes on.
Perhaps more public information on lifestyle choices might help.
Everyone knows what is good and bad for you (at a basic level). Anyone can go to a public library, school or uni and search for health issues on publicly subsidised internet service provision.
What matters is incentives and cultural attitudes.
Lurker (nee Blogstrop)
“They win”??
Thats their aim.
Silence kept the fraud happening. –(Gab)
Media blackout of black Chicago protesters marching against Obama. –(Gab)
When, in addition, you have only state-run universities and research institutes, run by coteries, and almost no independent foundations, you are coming close to an Orwellian, all-pervasive control system.
Citizens, however, do no get the point. They think their media are in fact free and that their journalists are usually honest and courageous. Again, it has to do with age-old traditions and delusions.
This is the cancer that comes from a media that allows itself to be dictated to by the state. — (Token).
Just a small sample of whats wrong today.
We’ll fight them on the beaches, fight them in our blogs, we cannot give up.
I might be a bit clumsy in expressing myself but we can’t loose ya dude.
I am fairly happy with the system and funding here, I am a little unhappy about the waiting lists, but this seems to be inevitable no matter who is in power. As a general comment I have not fared too badly under either Labor or Coalition.I think that the Doctors etc are good committed people who do their best under the ruling Party of the time.
Good to hear you’ve had a good experience. I am comparing the NHS as it provides a good contrast.
In my view this is not a trap. I am interested in hearing your opinion as our health system (which is in my opinion a better balance the UK) has evolved through the policies of both parties.
Considering the limited resources of every government. Where is the point where the services to a patient who is moving to the palliative area of care should no longer be provided?
Since 1980, US federal spending on health care (or sick care, whichever way you like to look at it) has been on a 9.4% compound growth curve. GDP, productivity, nothing else matches this. There will be an inevitable point where medical care can no longer be afforded.
System perturbations like Sandy may one day be a trigger event. Those living through it in a NY hospital bed might already think so. Hospitals with allegedly protected power supplies for example had black outs. What would be the outcome for patients on life-support ? Supposedly protected power is gold-plated, yet they failed. How much do you spend on such a low frequency event ? How much do you pay people to proactively test them when you’ve had a week’s warning of an approaching frankenstorm ?
The GOP don’t appeal to the moral majority on abortion. Ryan said he won’t try to ban it. They appeal to libertarians, who favour choice and people paying for things out of their own pocket.
Look at the contrasts in photos. Look at the contrast in descriptions of the candidates.
Then get to the bottom and look and the fakery of the “disinterested” observer is torn off to reveal…the joker:
There’s a line of thought that Republicans always come out big on the day, while Democrats stumble into early voting stations in the days and weeks before.
It might be based on the idea that Democrats are poorer and need more time to plan their bus trips and pack their humble sandwiches.
Mr Obama has not done all he’s wanted but he’s brought about health care reforms to help this country’s poorest get proper medical treatment.
Complete narrative fabrication, a complete distortion of reality for Australian readers. And this partisan, snarky, drivel is in an allegedly “right wing” newspaper.
The GOP don’t appeal to the moral majority on abortion. Ryan said he won’t try to ban it. They appeal to libertarians, who favour choice and people paying for things out of their own pocket.
That’s a bit of a naive view. Ryan wouldn’t try to ban it directly, just that Romney/Ryan would make sure that the next the next supreme court justice that they appoint supports the banning of abortion.
Allow me to weigh into the health issue here, without trying to make the thread all about me.
Heart problems, and in a potentially fatal rhythm, got myself to the local hospital. One VF arrest later, the staff managed to cardiovert me back into a proper rhythm. Treating doc wanted to transfer me to large regional centre for definitive care. The reply? “We can’t do anything for him here, he can die in your facility just as easily as in ours.”
Transferred to private hospital – they used the same equipment that was available in the public system, put in pacemaker and defibrillator, and now Winston is home resting and will be back at work in two weeks.
I have no time for bitterness, but plenty of time for contempt for the public system.
Reached for comment, Romney spokesman Ryan Williams said:
President Obama won’t tell the voters of the Virginia, Ohio, and Pennsylvania the truth about his plans to shut down the coal industry. Even after he loses on Tuesday, it appears that the President will still try to continue his efforts to kill their jobs and drive up their energy prices. Mitt Romney is committed to reversing the damage caused by the Obama Administration’s disastrous liberal agenda as soon as he takes office.
Is there any doubt these duplicitous fascists do not need congress to impose environmental standards.
Hope this goes viral.
Dear Ridiau,
When I first started on this blog someone said that using a foreign language to build the force of comment
was an inanity.
However as my older brother lived for a long time near Bangor in North Wales I can report to you that telling me to “F**k off d******D” in clumsy Welsh is also a waste of time.
I can only relate to you a piece of advice that my mother told me.
“Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a Thief”
Not all Welshmen are the equal of Robert Owen – The Founder of Socialism, The Most Popular Man in Europe of his time.
The poor man’s Jabba (no not Mrs Magoo), Farr Out seems to have been kidnapped and forced to reveal his password to a non-partisan journalist over on The Punch. Wonder where they managed to find one of those?
Could Mr Kate Ellis have phoned in sick today?
This 50:50 Newspoll bulldust seems to be losing favour against the realisation that Labor start the next election with the loss of between four and six seats before a ball has been bowled.
Or: Finally – somebody tells it like it is re washed up soccer poof David Beckham:
New Zealand’s Prime Minister John Key is under fire for yet another off-the-cuff remark where he called a radio host’s outfit ‘gay’, the same day he branded English footballer David Beckham ‘thick as bats—’.
Mr Key appeared on the Radio Network’s Farming Show on Friday, where he commented that host Jamie Mackay’s red jersey looked ‘gay’…
Twitter users on Monday criticised Mr Key for the comments, calling him homophobic and embarrassing, and branding the slip ‘gay red top-gate’.
Mr Key made global headlines after reportedly telling students at St Hilda’s Collegiate in Dunedin on Friday that Beckham was a nice guy but ‘thick as bats–t’.
Note the now familiar modus operandi. Nobody in the real world – in any real numbers – gives a shit but a media organisation uses ‘social media’ comments to create a ‘backlash’ etc.
That’s a bit of a naive view. Ryan wouldn’t try to ban it directly, just that Romney/Ryan would make sure that the next the next supreme court justice that they appoint supports the banning of abortion.
Wow, if they win, Romney/Ryan can trace their victory to Obama/Biden losing focus on jobs by changing healthcare.
Considering fixing Obamacare & focusing on jobs, jobs, jobs, there is little to no chance Romney/Ryan will get SCOTUS to change Roe v Wade.
I think you’ve been drinking the Obama Kool-aid Chris.
That’s a bit of a naive view. Ryan wouldn’t try to ban it directly, just that Romney/Ryan would make sure that the next the next supreme court justice that they appoint supports the banning of abortion.
That mendacious deceitful leftist shittery usually emanates from liar-steve™
Blogstrop, don’t be a lurker. Your comments are good. Just do what I do now – certain persons/bloggers are unpersons, and are just ignored unless someone else posts something worth responding to.
Time is too short to waste on trolls.
Blogstrop is a petulant Thread Nazi for whom each and every day is ruined when he sees a contrary opinion expressed here and is outraged that the opinion holder is not immediately banned.
He should not return until he can stop complaining about that.
Earlier this year, OLPC workers dropped off closed boxes containing the tablets, taped shut, with no instruction. “I thought the kids would play with the boxes. Within four minutes, one kid not only opened the box, found the on-off switch … powered it up. Within five days, they were using 47 apps per child, per day. Within two weeks, they were singing ABC songs in the village, and within five months, they had hacked Android,” Negroponte said. “Some idiot in our organization or in the Media Lab had disabled the camera, and they figured out the camera, and had hacked Android.”
So we have the spectacle of MSNBC apologizing in private for its reporter’s smears and falsehoods, while refusing to acknowledge his misconduct publicly.
New Zealand’s Prime Minister John Key is under fire for yet another off-the-cuff remark where he called a radio host’s outfit ‘gay’, the same day he branded English footballer David Beckham ‘thick as bats—’.
You can’t spend five seconds on Twitter without hearing some 20 something pop-leftist refer to something as being gay.
It’s a quite problematic that these two minute hate sessions based on such breathtaking hypocritical personal behaviour are being so well rewarded.
Or: Finally – somebody tells it like it is re washed up soccer poof David Beckham:
New Zealand’s Prime Minister John Key is under fire for yet another off-the-cuff remark where he called a radio host’s outfit ‘gay’, the same day he branded English footballer David Beckham ‘thick as bats—’.
Mr Key appeared on the Radio Network’s Farming Show on Friday, where he commented that host Jamie Mackay’s red jersey looked ‘gay’…
Twitter users on Monday criticised Mr Key for the comments, calling him homophobic and embarrassing, and branding the slip ‘gay red top-gate’.
Mr Key made global headlines after reportedly telling students at St Hilda’s Collegiate in Dunedin on Friday that Beckham was a nice guy but ‘thick as bats–t’.
As my former trading assistant, I taught John well. He obviously grew up to be a gentleman like his former boss.
Another thing I can be proud of in life. I helped a PM how to communicate
Dude if it helps I’ll try and persuade the blog owner to get rid of the leftist rabble. You’re right of course super sized rats like Stepford, Hagus, kero boy and other asorted vermin should have been blog exterminated ages ago.
The blog owner has a weak spot… obviously and he needs to toughen up.
Forester – they have some OLPC laptops distributed in remote communities in Australia too. One of the great things about the OLPC strategy is rather than using Windows or other closed source operating systems , they use Open Source/Free software and include the source code with the machines they distribute.
So children can not only use the software, but also learn how the software works and as their skills increase tailor it to their own needs. Meanwhile in our schools we push Windows/Apple and other proprietary software which does little to enable students to learn how the tools they use work. And makes them dependent on these companies to create the software they will need in the future rather than give them the skills which would enable them to modify and create their own.
Wasn’t it good seeing Julia having a good laugh at Greg Combet’s Spring Racing Carnival routine in Parliament last week. She looked relaxed and comfortable.
It looked like Malcolm took it in good humour. Julie the Android Bishop tried to ignore it.
Steve – yea, there’s been accusations in the past, especially by large commercial software firms that Open Source/Free Software is a communist plot But these days there are lot of large companies who are involved with Open Source software because they’ve recognised that deep cooperation can at times yield better and cheaper results than competition will. And if you’re primary goal isn’t to sell software but to use it as a tool (eg. the vast majority) then why do you care if its free?
Now even Microsoft pays people to work on Open Source projects where their contributions are free for anyone to use and build on.
And as much as Bolt likes to do his AbbottAbbottAbbott shtick, it’s funny how he doesn’t notice that he’s been on a “what GillardGillardGillard did 18 years ago” bender for 12 months or so with no sign of a let up.
And as much as Bolt likes to do his AbbottAbbottAbbott shtick, it’s funny how he doesn’t notice that he’s been on a “what GillardGillardGillard did 18 years ago” bender for 12 months or so with no sign of a let up.
FMD… even by ‘conservative catholic’ abortion-advocate liar-steve™’s pathetically lowbrow norms that was woeful
Wasn’t it good seeing Julia having a good laugh at Greg Combet’s Spring Racing Carnival routine in Parliament last week.
A woman who has a backside like Makybe Diva’s and a head like a beaten favourite shouldn’t be laughing at that sort of thing.
As a horse, Gillard would have been shot years ago. Slow, bad confirmation and never dropped a foal. At best you might be able to flog her off to some peasant Frenchman to use in cheap sausages.
I’m sure there has been a highly suspicious critique of Open Source here in years gone past.
Now that a couple of you have gotten used to it, it just goes to show the creeping success of the collectivist approach over the Randian view which would have kissed the ground that Steve Jobs walked on (while also wondering what it would be like if he was really forceful in bed*.)
But these days there are lot of large companies who are involved with Open Source software because they’ve recognised that deep cooperation can at times yield better and cheaper results than competition will.
Seriously Chris, do you know what a Joint Venture is? You really don’t understand how dynamic capitalism is, do you?
Companies developing under Open Source respect property rights. They can build and license IP. Many use the flexibility to corale their IP and build sections of code which are open and able to be modified.
So far even the EU has not been able to f**k this free market with property rights up.
I for one hope that, if Obama wins, his inauguration parade will be lead by a team of young women led by Sandra Fluke throwing free condoms and packs of the Pill into the crowd.
Seriously Chris, do you know what a Joint Venture is? You really don’t understand how dynamic capitalism is, do you?
It is a bit different from you standard joint venture though in that anyone is free to participate (not just companies). And not only is the end product free, but the source code is also freely available so anyone else can further modify or build upon it without having to pay anything.
I guess it’d be like coke and pepsi getting together to design a new cola. They’d both produce it but they’d also release all the instructions so anyone else could also make it without having to pay them for the rights.
Companies developing under Open Source respect property rights. They can build and license IP. Many use the flexibility to corale their IP and build sections of code which are open and able to be modified.
For true Open Source projects (especially Free Software ones) when companies contribute code they also agree not to charge licensing fees for any relevant patents they hold for the use of that software or any derivatives (and when anyone can modify the software that pretty much means for any use). So yes, companies do respect IP and file patents for Open Source software (I have a few myself), but its essentially a defensive measure – file a patent not because you want to license it for use in Open Source software, but to stop someone else patenting it and preventing you from using your own idea. And you can still of course charge a licensing fee if someone wants to use the idea in proprietary software.
A quick thought on lifestyle choices, in the Hun today there’s a small article where the anti-smoking crusaders have decided to target pregnant women. Apparently they need to be educated.
This takes me back a about a week and a discussion here on the nature of ‘choice’ in the world of pregnant women and the question about what sort of autonomy a woman has when she can kill her baby pretty much any time up until birth, but if she smokes she gets harassed about it.
Maybe she can tell the anti-smoking nazis that she’s working on a slo-mo abortion to get them off her case.
Presumably, given the ways that abortions can be carried out, this should be a legitimate means of offing your offspring.
Chris, it is good to see you do understand open source.
Nothing you have said there is socialist, it fundementally is built about property rights, though the cost/benefit equation means people choose to apply different grades of rights.
I know organisations that started where you are, then put higher levels of control once the cost/benefit equation required it.
Owen’s character was a paradox to his contemporaries. By temperament, he was conservative and authoritarian; by nature he was naive. He was convinced that man’s character was made for him, rather than by him and that social change would only come from calm reasoning with the leaders of society. He never believed in the independent power of the working classes and he could never conceive that within capitalist society there might be more than one rationally agreed interest.
Owens was an anti-religious utopian socialist.
I can see how this man would be a socialist/communist pinup boy, even Engels loved him.
As has been said here:
If you are pleading socialism here, expect to be whacked, hard, as nothing but a troll on such a site as this. Go somewhere else. We have no truck with such nonsense
This coupled with suggestion that one of our own attend a forum of bikies on a desert island (and there is no misinterpretation of the intent implied) is beyond the pale.
And your suggestion yesterday at corrupting enquiring young minds wrt profanities.
Again,
Cachau bant pen pidyn.
There are huge numbers of libertarian defences of the open source movement. There is a place for commercial and completely open software in the marketplace. Any sensible classical liberal embraces all of those possibilities.
I don’t know where anyone would get the idea that more choice in these matters is a bad thing.
Why don’t the communists who invented it commercialise Wikipedia.org instead of making it look like a half-arsed amateur factory second that fell off the back of a truck in the Soviet Union? Full of literals, mistruths and propaganda. Greatest waste if a business concept in 20 years.
This coupled with suggestion that one of our own attend a forum of bikies on a desert island (and there is no misinterpretation of the intent implied) is beyond the pale.
I happen to agree with you, there is no disagreement about your interpretation of an original misinterpretation and the intent implied. At that point in the game I was not even aware that Gabby was a woman. But I agree ignorance is little or no defense. I already made an apology, which I may say was quite crudely rejected. Maybe if the Cats used a name that indicated gender, I wouldn’t be so stupid as to insult someone that uses the coarse vernacular like a seasoned sailor and poses as a liberal(in the best sense) thinker.. Mia Culpa.
However anybody that could think this was ok in a reference to any human let alone The Prime Minister,the first woman to achieve that high station
must have a view of Humanity that is fairly psychotic.
However anybody that could think this was ok in a reference to any human let alone The Prime Minister,the first woman to achieve that high station
must have a view of Humanity that is fairly psychotic.
You have no interest in this blog except to troll it. Youn are vermin. Fuck off.
Heh. Reports that people wanting to leave Romney’s freezing cold rally (due to silly little things like – their kids risking hypothermia) were prevented.
Heh. I remember Alan Jones calling the office of the “prime minister”, and I use that term loosely given the incumbent, who wouldn’t take his calls and just ignored his requests to apologise. I guess some soft-headed types would say his apologies were “crudely rejected” in which case the lying slapper and I see eye to eye…apparently.
I do so hope Obama wins,
I couldn’t stand the shiny twins
That came uninvited to my door
And Mormoned me down to the floor.
Missionarys of any sort
Do NOT do God’s work, I won’t be bought,
By promises of after life.
I don’t want to go I’ll miss the wife.
But I might become a a later version,
Change my mind a post death conversion.
This seems to be a lot of rot,
But I really don’t care a lot.
I just hope Obama wins,
And rids us of those pushy twins.
Apologies to Shakespeare a poor attempt at a sonnet.
At least it had the required 14 lines.
Alxx
Gabby, thank you for referring to me as Prime Ministerial Material.
I will do my best to carry your recommendation to the others on this site.
And if Alan Jones calls me to apologize I will tell him all about what you said.
A mother whose two children attended after-school care in Adelaide’s north-western suburbs says she is angry the Education Department failed to tell parents the students had been supervised by a now-convicted paedophile.
A mother whose two children attended after-school care in Adelaide’s north-western suburbs says she is angry the Education Department failed to tell parents the students had been supervised by a now-convicted p4edophile.
There stands Tony’ arms Akimbo
Shouting out”You ranger Bimbo,
You let your father die of shame,
To you, life or death is all the same.
I don’t know why you take on so,
Be a man soak up the blow.
Then you’ll see, you’ll get the gist,
I am a damned Misogynist.
You knew that when you took my job
That I’d become a bigger knob.
Just give in and let me rule,
I’ll show you that I’m not a fool.
Policies I haven’t many,
Those I have, I stole from Johnny,
Turn some boats and sink the rest,
I think you’ll find that this is best.”
Ask yourselves the Question. Did Johnny only win because Peter Reith lied about the Babies overboard.
And took a blow for the team. Now Career over dumped by Tony. he is reduced to being a commentator on the drum
Heh. Reports that people wanting to leave Romney’s freezing cold rally (due to silly little things like – their kids risking hypothermia) were prevented.
Oh those people who make “reports” from Republican events, always lacking a phone with a camera, perhaps they should ask Obama for one of the free ones he’s giving out.
Yeah private individuals voluntarily working together under private terms of agreement completely unregulated and across borders is “socialist”.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong oh resident wrongoligist?
The socialist/communist accusations (which are very real, just do a bit of googling to find them) against Open Source software probably stem from software licenses like the GPL. These sorts of licenses require that if you take some GPL’d source code, modify it and then sell a program containing it (which you are allowed to do) then you also have to release the source code of your modifications. And depending on how its linked to any of your other software, also release the source code to that as well. You also have to permit them to further redistribute the source code to whoever they want if they so wish.
This requirement is there so whoever you sell your software to is also make modifications, or get someone else to do it for them and are not reliant on only you in the future. This kind of “forced” sharing brings up the claims of socialism and communism. But the reality is that no one is forced to use open source software, you can always write your own, its just a lot easier to reuse well established and maintained code.
Gab has pointed out to you, your familiarity is unwelcome.
So it OK if one of the boys recieves the treatment courtesy of the bikies.
No of course not. even Bikies have some taste.
Gab I’ll meet you half way. Your name on the blog is Gab.
Roy Rogers had an offsider that was called Gabby (Gab)
Hayes. He had a predilection for chewing tobacco and drank whiskey from a bottle.
The little picture next to your name is of a man. Wayne Swan I think. Maybe not. You could at least concede that I thought you were a man by the evidence
presented.
I will say once again that I had no intention of suggesting that you should have an encounter of any kind with bikies other than neither of you seem to want to live by the laws that are passed for our protection.
I’m sorry that you took it that way, but I don’t really think that you did.It was a fairly sharp way of teaching me a lesson. Did it work? Who knows.
Let this be an end to it.
I would like to unreservedly apologise to all friendly Cats for my inexcusable indulgence of the controversial scottish pensioner, currently assailing this blog with more of his shockingly bad poetry.
These sorts of licenses require that if you take some GPL’d source code, modify it and then sell a program containing it (which you are allowed to do) then you also have to release the source code of your modifications. And depending on how its linked to any of your other software, also release the source code to that as well. You also have to permit them to further redistribute the source code to whoever they want if they so wish.
Sounds like the property rights are clear. Have you ever tried to get something manufactured in China? Its kinda like that.
I would like to unreservedly apologise to all friendly Cats for my inexcusable indulgence of the controversial scottish pensioner, currently assailing this blog with more of his shockingly bad poetry.
But Rabz, I’m devastated I only did it for you.
No more cosy cultural experiences for us.
There once was a blogger called Rabz
Who had style, wit and pizazz
It was Alan’s poetry he liked
But only for one night
And then Rabz came to earth with a …
“Shall I compare him to a broken Toe,
Or may hap to a festering heel,
That in itself does not quite scan
But does in Fleasys vapid grasp
Slip from his fingers, broken Man
Will he no longer Jump the Jump,
Walk the walk or Hump the Hump.
It would seem the waywards road
Is to slide and slip like the the Slithy Toad
That Gired and Gimbled in the Fen
That has brought the end of better men.
Or perhaps the wound may heal,
Renewed and skipping like a lamb
Fleasy from the bog may spring
Ah! Young Lizzie the plays the thing.
I’m not so good at writing odes
So a better future is all that Bodes.
Oh dear! You are right Lizzie, I wouldn’t know my ode from my Woad.
(Woad a Celtic, Blue Coloring, that my forebears were wont to assume before a Haggis Bash)
DD – let me get this right: you don’t think Alan is a troll?
Correct.
I mean, he says some weird stuff (e.g., posting poetry) but he’s no more out of line than plenty of other people who comment here.
OK, fair enough! I do regard him as a troll of the bog-standard left-wing-disruption type with a marginal twist in that he masks himself behind a veil of guff. Hence my actions. I believe that Alan may well be the troll who Sinc banned some time ago for a vicious and near-criminally actionable threat to Lizzie.
Using the left’s standard attack methodology against them is really quite effective. Look at this truly remarkable pig-squeal from Tillers:
To wit, you make the shrillest, most hysterical and most bed-wettingest accusations against people who disagree with you.
He truly does not enjoy being treated as leftists like him routinely treat others. The poor diddums.
You’ll note, DD, that I have pretty serious disagreements with many here, CL and yourself among them. I certainly don’t treat you guys like trolls – you aren’t in any way, shape or form and like most others understand and participate in civil discourse. I have agreed to disagree with many here, CL most often, I think.
I will admit to one or two irrational actions early on in my career as a contributor, the flack and abuse sent me to the edge of good behavior.
But a leopard may be able to change his spots.
I do not abuse anybody, I do not use coarse words. I have apologized many times for my early indirections, my language is on occasions rather florid, but my intentions are to have a free discussion without all the bullying I have observed on this blog from almost all of you to any body at all that is not within your forelock touching circle. Do not see this as a sign of weakness, but more a desire to introduce another view point however distasteful you may find it.
Another 40 years of constant practice and Alan will be right up there with William McGonagall as a poet, only without McGonagall’s unintentional humour.
Another 40 years of constant practice and Alan will be right up there with William McGonagall as a poet, only without McGonagall’s unintentional humour.
At the moment he’s currently up there with Lawsy and the Vogons…
OK, fair enough! I do regard him as a troll of the bog-standard left-wing-disruption type with a marginal twist in that he masks himself behind a veil of guff.
I have never tried to hide myself from anybody. Thank you dd for a try at this blog.
I repeat. I am an Australian citizen of Scottish blood who is on a part pension after 52 years of unbroken employment 43 of them in Oz. I have lived in this country for more years than some of you have been alive. I see no merit in the lack of respect that is shown to someone who want’s to continue as a Citizen of some worth.
Sounds like the property rights are clear. Have you ever tried to get something manufactured in China? Its kinda like that.
The property rights are very clear and are legally enforced when people try to get away with it (quite a few companies have tried do so). Copyright is used to enforce them. But it doesn’t stop people (primarily those invested or representing companies who make a lot of money out of selling software) labelling them socialist/communist.
Interesting to see you compare it communist China though
Anyway I agree that the comments that there are some parallels with libertarianism.
I’ve seen that doco JC, it’s fantastic. I bought a couple of Rodriguez albums on vinyl ages ago (played one of them to death during a tragic break-up). He was pretty big in Australia too, and has played the Byron Bay Blues Festival a couple of times recently. Saw him there in 2010. Nice guy. Pretty philosophical about the whole “what coulda bin” thing.
It is an amazing story. You might like to read this article. I love the fact that he worked in the construction industry, fed his family and now finally is getting some rewards for what is some pretty amazing music. Life can be weird.
Great quote from Rodriquez on his life: “You can’t linger too much on your decisions, so yes, I chose to face reality,” he said. “I’m a family person, and you make those choices. You have to embrace it, my father used to say. You don’t hold it over there, where it can hurt you. There’s no shame in hard work.”
Hey Alan, that Ode was an improvement. Surprising. Not good, but a bit better. Poetry however is not really your metier, is it?
I hope you are not THAT Alan, or if so, a totally reformed version. Mostly you will be ignored here at the Cat because your contributions are limited to bad poetry and worse political views. Get used to it.
Q&A tonight, a US Election special:
Chris Matthews, talking about how special Barack Obama is, how he was sent from somewhere else, by what Abraham Lincoln called the better angels of our nature; to heal the sick, stop the warming and put an end to poverty, illness, deprivation, mental pain and bad vibes of any kind; but yet, sadly, how misunderstood he is; and that, incredibly, there are even ungrateful traitors in an undeserving nation who would spurn him and the love and healing he was sent to dispense;
Maureen Dowd, talking about how journalism and objectivity simply have to be dispensed with when dealing with a Jedi of hope and love and peace, shining with the light of what humanity could be, and how the true calling of journalists is actually to stress that 24 hours a day, such that none can doubt it;
Rachel Maddow, on how an evil Mormon conspiracy to take over the US and have the entire free world wearing hair-shirts and taking six wives and generally preparing for the time when Jesus comes to Earth and the Mormon Church shall take control of the government and the Mormons shall be the government of God on Earth;
Ed Schulz, on how behind that Mormon front is an even worse and kookier group, the Tea Party, dedicated to placing black people back into indentured servitude on cotton plantations, sending uneducated white children up chimneys or into domestic service, denying 35-year-old perpetual students access to $4 packs of condoms and killing old people; and
Tanya Plibersek, talking about Tony Abbott’s relentless negativity, and the blatant misogyny of him taking his two beautiful daughters to Flemington for Derby Day and making them dress attractively and alluringly, all the better for his fellow misogynists to ogle and leer at them in a revolting and patriarchal manner.
If this is a genuine representation of trends, my feeling that the Preshizzle (Paco™) will squeak back in on the back of an all-out voter fraud campaign might well be wrong.
Hope some of Shitfer’s wrongology rubs off on me in this solitary regard…..
On ABC PM tonight they breathlessly reported that one of the clowns that wrote the thoroughly discredited Limits To Growth in the 70s is still flogging that dead horse and has written another one: 2052 – A Global Forecast for the Next Forty Years.
Jorgen Randers I salute you for riding the wave of leftism as it swelled through the institutions.
Oh, by the way, the new limit to growth is global warming which China due to it’s ‘special’ political system will manage better than the US, whose lunch China will eat.
Thank you, James. Brilliant as always. Perhaps next week’s Q&A will feature the editor of the New York Times on crutches after having a hot poker rammed up his botty by the owners’ representatives at this Wednesday night’s editorial conference for destroying the company’s credibility.
And I forgot, Andrew Sullivan is also appearing on Q&A tonight via video link, to talk about how it is inconceivable that Barack Obama could lose, such an intellectual titan, let alone such a steely physique, such a coiled musculature that invites lingering tactile exploration; those buttocks tighter than the Ohio race; that hawk-eyed gaze, that just needs the ministrations of an expert to lose its rapier-like intensity and become clouded with wantonness; and those forearms, upon which a sheen of sweat would gather like the tears of angels, that six-pack, which WARNING: CONTENT REDACTED
James – you left out Chris Matthews, who explains in detail what a nice crease Ogabe has in his pants followed by a detailed analysis of the tingle up his leg.
Gab, HIA just arrived home and I read him James’ spoiler piece. Da Ape says the one positive thing is that they will not change a single vote in the US election. He is mildly optimistic of a Romney win, due to early voting trends out of Ohio looking good. ABC News now says Obama winning in ‘battleground states’. De’re makin’ it up, Lizzie, says the Ape, scratching his head in complete amazement.
It’s what dey do, he concludes, getting more and more Irish in his disgust.
But how sick-making that Q and A sounds.
—-
Alan, I have been thinking that you cannot really be THAT Alan of past ill-fame some months ago, because he couldn’t have written a poem at all, whereas your last ode makes quite a promising start. The other Alan was a brutal and devious thug and I would hate to tar you with that brush. You seem like a nicer and more gentle sort of chap, even tho’ a troll.
You take care on dat internet, Lizzie, says HIA. You are a bit too trusting sometimes. I hope not.
Gab, I have my Chivas, and I am girding myself for the cesspit that is QandA. I have a mate in the audience tonight, so it will be fun if they get to ask a question.
I suspect they will, and if so it shall be most entertaining.
And I forgot, Andrew Sullivan is also appearing on Q&A tonight via video link…
It’s simply incredible that this creepy, mentally deranged sodomite gets a berth on the ABC as if he’s a normal, respectable person. He believes – and believes passionately – that Sarah Palin faked a pregnancy. This is no joke, no baroque sledge. He really and truly believes it.
this creepy, mentally deranged sodomite gets a berth on the ABC as if he’s a normal, respectable person. He believes – and believes passionately – that Sarah Palin faked a pregnancy.
And yet you wonder why he’s appearing on the ABC? He’s made for the ABC. Fits right in. It will be like homecoming week for him.
The west is not left anymore, it was instrumental in bringing down the Carpenter Government. Carpenter hated the West with a passion, was pretty funny considering he was an ex journo himself.
Its owned by Stokes, and he’s a savvy enough businessman to known you don’t run a lefty rag in the nations bluest state.
They consistently run a lot of anti union articles too. Not hard to justify when you’ve got world class assholes running the CFMEU like Joe Mcdonald and that other fat cvnt Reynolds.
Damn, Carpe, I nearly snorted my potato chips LOL!
JC, in this case they sang folk songs after she died of cancer. Maybe there’s something missing in me, but I just can’t get excited about a 600 seat theatre in a rainforest, although it does have a bar and a restaurant.
Oh god I thought Andrew Sullivan appearing was a joke of some sort. He’s on video link?
No I can’t believe it. There’s nothing on the Q&A site.
The bloke who moved in next door to Palin’s house was named Godfrey or Geoffrey or similar.
Fun fact: after she worked out the creepy predator next door Todd and his mates build a 13′ (I think-certainly nearly double sized) fence along the boundary in just a day.
Looks like a Barnett pile on. A labor ex-pollie, a whiteoriginal, and the editor of fairfax-lite. Not forgetting mad Bobbie, who will no doubt drone on about the Woodside project, again.
I dunno IT, Paul Murray is definitely centre right and he’s their main columnist. Been a while since I’ve read the west properly but I’ve generally been pretty happy with their content.
Unfortunately I cant stay long tonight and certainly not long enough for that pesky kid Dot to come yapping at my heels wanting a “this is your life not by Dot” expose…!!
Hey all.
Can someone please point me to the discussion ( surely there was one ) on Catallaxy that looked at the US Presidential election from the perspective of ” Which party, Republican or Democrat, has policies that BENEFIT AUSTRALIA MOST ?? “.
After all, this is an Australian blog and the outcome affects us.
But how so?
Which President will most likely rid the world of US protectionist import quotas and unfair domestic subsidies ?
Which will represent a free market?
Which party, Republican or Democrat, has policies that BENEFIT AUSTRALIA MOST ??
The one that’s likely to maintain and strengthen the US Australian alliance, and more broadly the US-Australian diplomatic relationship on a formal and informal level. Frankly if you want to look at it selfishly, that is the big one.
Import quotas and other issues pale in comparison.
CHICAGO — Adrienne Baker walked down the aisle on her wedding day in August wearing high heels, a strapless ruffled dress and a slender white wristband. Her groom, Austin Vitt, augmented his dark suit with the same accessory. So did many of their 140 guests.
Moments later, when the ceremony began, the divinity student who was officiating offered the first reading. It was a selection that the soon-to-be Mr. and Ms. Vitt considered the secular equivalent of Scripture, excerpts from a ruling by the Massachusetts Supreme Court in the case of Goodridge v. Department of Public Health.
“Without the right to choose to marry,” the officiant, Julie Maxwell, intoned, “one is excluded from the full range of human experience.” In other words, as the court concluded in the 2003 decision, same-sex marriage is a legal and civil right. As for the delicate wrist ribbons, they were Ms. Vitt’s adaptation of the white-knot logo for the marriage-equality movement.
The Vitts embody a movement within that movement. They are among the increasing number of heterosexual couples who are using their weddings to urge support for gay marriage.
Like the Asutralian rugby captain and his girlfriend where he proudly told the country on QANDA a few weeks ago that he and his g/f won’t marry until there is ‘marriage equality’ in Australia
CHICAGO — Adrienne Baker walked down the aisle on her wedding day in August wearing high heels, a strapless ruffled dress and a slender white wristband. Her groom, Austin Vitt, augmented his dark suit with the same accessory. So did many of their 140 guests.
Moments later, when the ceremony began, the divinity student who was officiating offered the first reading. It was a selection that the soon-to-be Mr. and Ms. Vitt considered the secular equivalent of Scripture, excerpts from a ruling by the Massachusetts Supreme Court in the case of Goodridge v. Department of Public Health.
“Without the right to choose to marry,” the officiant, Julie Maxwell, intoned, “one is excluded from the full range of human experience.” In other words, as the court concluded in the 2003 decision, same-sex marriage is a legal and civil right. As for the delicate wrist ribbons, they were Ms. Vitt’s adaptation of the white-knot logo for the marriage-equality movement.
The Vitts embody a movement within that movement. They are among the increasing number of heterosexual couples who are using their weddings to urge support for gay marriage.
Like the Asutralian rugby captain and his girlfriend where he proudly told the country on QANDA a few weeks ago that he and his g/f won’t marry until there is ‘marriage equality’ in Australia
Its crazy for me tonight. Im in strata manager wars.
I think ive got the numbers to chop my strata manager of our investment unit into very small pieces, place him on top of my weetbix under the nuts and prunes and have him for breakfast.
I wont miss this guy at all! (the cheating lying two bit Chicago crim).
Obamacare’s a good one, totally socialised medicine with no allowance for conscience. Unless you’re one of the selected elites (either in government or union).
You can choose not to get insurance, but you’ll be fined. That sort of appears a tad coercive to me.
Barry promised to close Guantanamo Bay, and hasn’t. He has authorised the use of unmanned drones in Pakistan and people – including at least one US citizen – have been killed by that method.
His stance on abortion, especially on medical care for babies that survive that experience is that it should be available for women on demand and on taxpayer’s money. If the baby survives, then it’s too bad, I guess.
He is a dirty politician who only got where he got due to the bleeding heart numpties who thought it would look good to elect the first Black President, and the dirty tricks department of the Democrat Party.
Frankly if you want to look at it selfishly, that is the big one.
I am and it is.
Who, in as much as you can understand is better for Australia and why?
Romneys ” tough on imports from China” rings alarm bells.
And Obamas lack of patriotism may be good for us Australians.
It seem a topic ignored at the Cat. Why?
I watched that McGinniss video and it appears he moved next to the Palins because they were the Palins, though he did not actually verbalise that, but he knew it was the Palins next door and it made him excited in some strange way.
Romneys tough on imports from China is a bit of a joke because I dont think Romney will be tough on imports from China.
Everyone knows it is US wealthy corporations producing in China and no-one in Romneys team has any intentions of curtailing the uber wealthy their Chinese activities, even though it might actually be good for America to get some production happening there (and some more tax paid there).
I’ll be placed on the rack for this comment here, but thats just me. Too right for the left and too protectionist for the right. C’st la vie.
I can live with it. Guess I belong in some other time of supporting nations economic strengths and the US needs some production just now. Im not a great fan of a global economy must admit. Too many black sinkholes.
So Bob thinks that the whales are more important than indigenous people up James Price way, of course. An elderly aboriginal woman tells him that the money they would get for the ‘gas factory’ would go towards education, bettering the circumstances for her people.
Needless to say, Bob doesn’t really care. Apparently aboriginal people should just be given the money.
Not sure where the money comes from, but I don’t think Bob cares about that either.
Now McTiernan, the former Labor luvvy who thinks that the development will “change the character of Broome.” And Broome is apparently a very interesting place.
Apparently changing the character is more a negative thing than a positive thing.
Hi James – so you are the first to arrive with a snide comment youngster?
I so enjoy firing up you kids. You are all so straight in your outlook. You have no bends or twists yet and are so easy to upset because you just cant handle something slightly different.
Lacks the mellowness of age – cheddar compared with stilton.
Its a tribal thing isnt it? People care so much more about belonging to tribes when they are young (and dont dare deviate). That is the nature of nature.
Its all fun.
But now Im going to bed because Im an older lady and need my sleep.
So goodnight James. I will catch up with you next time and maybe we can debate some more about what you and I think – or maybe you would like to suggest to all that Ive been drinking frangelico or something in my absence..and that my tongue is on fire.
It really is James. You are right. My tongue is on fire. It works that much faster than yours on a slow day.
Build the massive gas hub somewhere where it won’t affect the whales, the dinosaur footprints and the songlines, and give the aboriginals the money anyway.
Barnett can take it though, he knew what he was getting into the minute he sat down there. He tends to talk straight to the people and ignore the media bullcrap.
“Colin Barnett , considering Chevron lost a US Appealite Court action over them having to pay Ecuador around $25 Billion for Human Rights abuses and environment destruction; how do you feel about their Gorgon Gas Hub and cheap worker import …” 5/11/2012 6:05:54 PM
Sweet Lord that case was a shakedown. The US lawyer is facing gaol and the Judge in Ecuador is even facing strife maybe.
Sorry about the link it was quick and partisan but the facts stand for themselves.
I so enjoy firing up you kids. You are all so straight in your outlook. You have no bends or twists yet and are so easy to upset because you just cant handle something slightly different.
Lacks the mellowness of age – cheddar compared with stilton.
Its a tribal thing isnt it? People care so much more about belonging to tribes when they are young (and dont dare deviate). That is the nature of nature.
Some people get dumber as they get older. Sad but true.
Barnett points out that the site has been moved a bit to the side to ensure that sacred sites aren’t too impacted, and also, yes, the dinosaur footprints are important, but they stretch for 200kms, and the development only covers areound 2km.
Oh wait the other youngster Dot has arrived with his “deulsional fuckwit fantasists” insults.
It could be fun Dot. You know I love arguing with you but it really is by bedtime. You young blokes stay up too late for me (and you are so damn strident I actually have to be more awake to upset you!)
Next Q for Barnett from young lass (of course) wanting to know why all the money that would be generated by the development and given to the indigenous people couldn’t just be given to them by the State.
After all, lots of money was being spent on refurbishing the government’s offices as well as on upgrading waterfronts and stuff like that.
Im not a great fan of a global economy must admit.
I do like the bit where, when there’s a drought here, we don’t starve to death.
Australia’s an export economy. Not liking international trade is… well, hey Asian guy! Buy our mining and agricultural products! But we don’t want your filthy manufactured rubbish – we only like stuff made by the white man.
“I do like the bit where, when there’s a drought here, we don’t starve to death.
Australia’s an export economy”
Didnt say there shouldnt be balance. The US could do with more exports but all its entrepreneurs were given carte blanche to move off shore.
They fucked it. Has to be a balance. They import way more than they export now.
re Australia
We are an export economy in Austrlaia partly and only recently. In fact we are mostly an import economy if you look at hstorical current account balance.
a manufactured spiritual system of mythical connecting lines crossing Australia uniting all the aboriginal peoples ………. I made that up, I never read the book….
a manufactured spiritual system of mythical connecting lines crossing Australia uniting all the aboriginal peoples ………. I made that up, I never read the book….
Didnt say there shouldnt be balance. The US could do with more exports but all its entrepreneurs were given carte blanche to move off shore.
They fucked it. Has to be a balance. They import way more than they export now
Haha, fuckhead. Capital controls?
We are an export economy in Austrlaia partly and only recently. In fact we are mostly an import economy if you look at hstorical current account balance.
…of capital.
Alice is a delusional moron who thinks Australia and America should agree to stop the US funding direct investment in Australia which makes up 20% of Australian capital formation.
Now we’re onto the press. Luvvie bleating about the difference between online and dead tree news reporting.
She wants reporters to question parliamentarians on important issues and move away from the fluffy (my word) stuff.
McTiernan: I totally understand how you feel (snicker)… I think we’re a bit unfair in just blaming the media. I think it’s a reflection of the buying public… they just want crap.
I’m a Liberal voter and I consider myself to be pro-development, but after reading the local rag I’ve discovered that there is are rising numbers of childhood asthma cases.
Wow.
How about, sunshine, you have a look at the number of parents who wrap their kids in cottonwool and chiffon and don’t allow them any exposure to dirt.
When I was young, asthma was a rarity, these days half the school seems to get it. Please.
It’s not mining – which is a crapload safer than when my ancestors hitched a ride of a boat over from Cornwall – it’s the bleeding hearts brigade who are determined to find ways to further infantilize us.
Dotty – how did you come to the late 1980s Dot?. Think again boy. Think hard. Do the research post grad econ student. Which unis had more than three thousand grads one graduation a year? Most of the mains.
You dont research well Dot. You are an idiot. Would you like me to scan my newspaper cutting which lists names in order of merit?
You seriously are jealous and wonder why I have a job teaching in unis? Maybe I was a favourite grad Dot? Maybe you are not.
Not that teaching in unis is all that great these days except for the hourly pay rate. most on contracts. Why are you doing it and not working in towards the private sector? I at least had a reason Dot. You dont. You have a choice.
In late October — early November support for the L-NP is 53.5% (up 4%) cf. ALP 46.5% (down 4%) on a two-party preferred basis after Treasurer Wayne Swan delivered a ‘mini-Budget’ designed to keep the Gillard Government on track for a Federal Budget surplus next year according to the latest face-to-face Morgan Poll conducted over the last two weekends, October 27/28 & November 3/4, 2012.
Today’s face-to-face Morgan Poll shows the L-NP primary vote is 43% (up 4.5% in 2 weeks) ahead of the ALP 35.5% (down 2%). Among the minor parties Greens support is down sharply by 2.5% to 10% and Independents/ Others is unchanged at 11.5%.
If a Federal election were held today the result would be a clear win for the L-NP Coalition according to this face-to-face Morgan Poll.
The Roy Morgan Government Confidence Rating has fallen to 105pts (down 1.5pts over the last two weeks) with 44% (unchanged) saying Australia is ‘heading in the right direction,’ compared to 39% (up 1.5%) saying Australia is ‘heading in the wrong direction’.
Gary Morgan says:
“Treasurer Wayne Swan’s ‘mini-Budget’ has failed to impress the electorate with the L-NP (53.5%, up 4%) regaining a clear two-party preferred lead over the ALP (46.5%, down 4%) immediately after the ‘mini-Budget’ delivered on October 22, 2012.
“Roy Morgan Consumer Confidence fell 2.7pts to 112.7 after the ‘mini-Budget’ — another clear sign that the Australian public appears less enthusiastic about the Gillard Government’s promised Federal Budget surplus than the Government.
“The ‘bounce’ experienced by the Government after Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s passionate speech on ‘misogyny’ and Australia’s victory in the UN Security Council appears to have been temporary.”
Yay – crazy uncle bob gets his pedestal, please tell us earthians what to do. Ok so we know bob hates CSG, hates James Price point, loves turtles, loves a supertax on profits and also believes in a magic money tree.
Do they have Allanah McTiernan on? Struth, how did they keep her sober at that time of night? She’s usually on to her second bag of lady in the boat by 8:30pm.
Dotty – how did you come to the late 1980s Dot?. Think again boy. Think hard. Do the research post grad econ student. Which unis had more than three thousand grads one graduation a year? Most of the mains.
You reckon you didn’t get married or have kids until after graduation and you allege to have a child who is at least 20 years old.
No Australian commerce faculty has EVER had over 3000 students graduate in a single year.
Yet you claim to have come 11th out of 3000 students you bullshit artist.
One question – the only one from a man in the studio (the other was a vid question from Broome)- about the girl who was punished from hugging a schoolfriend.
Bob Brown bleating on about how we need more love and compassion. Sure thing, Mr. Anti-Human 2005.
McTiernan prating (today’s fave word) about how we’re wrapping kids in cotton wool.
Barnett says it’s not any policy of his government and Cronin speaks sense: this sort of anti-contact crap is a product of a litigious society.
McGlade: kids need to have fun, and we need to teach them about good touching and bad touching.
When did we become such a nation of sooks and pantywaists?
We came to be such a mation of sooks and pantywaits when the government stopped doing productive work like building roads and started interfering in our daily lives with their committees of people deciding what life choices we should and shouldnt make because they lost the plot and now they spend our taxes legislating and writing feel good brochures on our personal private lifestyle choices in cahoots with the finance and insurance industries.
James I got the impression that the lawyer can see the benefits of the James Price Point development and what it offers the aboriginals, but her leftard conditioning is holding strong.
Ok you fuckwit Dot – now how exactly should I send my scanned merit list ranking to you?
Would that satisfy you and shut you up?
Give me your email.
Better still bet on it so that at least I make some money out of you jealous one.
Who, in as much as you can understand is better for Australia and why?
jumpnmcar, I already answered your question.
Whichever side strengthens the alliance is better for Australia’s national interest. On that issue I’d give Romney the edge, because Obama has sought to water down America’s traditional, long standing alliances in favour of new relationships.
Freaks like you Alice do not get my email address.
email Sinclair if you want to prove your bullshit credentials that you came “11th out of a graduating 3000 commerce students from an Australian university in the late 1980s”.
I am sure Sinclair will tell me to pull my head in if you produce the evidence.
I do not want to breach your privacy nor know whom you are.
Considering the limited resources of every government. Where is the point where the services to a patient who is moving to the palliative area of care should no longer be provided?
Who should have the power to decide?
Token
I’ve done a straw poll of my Rellos about the NHS. They seem pretty OK with it. My brother and my two brothers in law have had pacemakers fitted at no cost to them and the private system was not involved. The one fly in the ointment is that they have to travel a lot as the NHS seem to have specialist hospitals, ie One for Heart, one for Oncology etc.This travel is not great but with the Public Transport being so scarce a friend with a car is a necessity.
As for the other bit the NHS seem to be going full on for palliative care and moving the terminally ill out of the Hospitals to these specialist places. I guess it’s up to a group decision when they go. It’s a difficult question to ask the bereaved.
As to the one who has the power to stop treatment I suppose it is the Doctors.
The people I have asked seem OK with this. I don’t know if it is OK with the patients.
I’m glad it’s not me that makes the decisions.
It will probably be like that here soon.
now dd, it was FUN tonight ! lots of subjects covered and you would have been very proud of Colin Barnett, he blitzed his questioners and I only wish Abbott, Hockey or Turnbull were half as astute, especially under pressure.
CJ, I’m reclinering also, musing as one does re the events forthcoming this week – one hopes things may change, but probably they will stay the same ( I will NOT win 100 million, Red Cardeaux will NOT win the Melbourne Cup, there will NOT be another “chad” fiasco election in the USA…) I get to work 12 hours tomorrow, hard labour, interacting, customer and public servicing, smiling and directing folks to the loo……… such is life.
If any one wants full field with stats, graphs etc here.
I have managed three cup trifecta’s over eleven years, one paying $2300 for half trifecta box5 $30. So not a great spreadsheet just a bit of fun for my only bet of the year.
James I got the impression that the lawyer can see the benefits of the James Price Point development and what it offers the aboriginals, but her leftard conditioning is holding strong.
Yeah Nilk.
I reckon she’s intelligent and knew that Barnett has won.
She just wanted to sound and show that she cared and concerned herself with the less well off unlike the oikes.
She also demonstrated absolute ignorance of how her life and job is supported as a non-wealthcreating member of society unlike the wealthy “bogan” FIFOs she talked about with obvious distaste.
As a result of my internet bet on Romney, I’ve been given another $100 bonus bet to make at sportsbet. However, they won’t let me use it on the US election, try as I might. Does someone want to give me a hot tip for the Melbourne Cup? Something that you reckon will place in the top 4?
With even the favourite paying 2.35 to place I could recover a goodly portion of my Romney bet if that should go bad. Not that I’ve given up on Romney, I still feel it’s going to fly. But an alternative strategy to repair the balance sheet would not go astray.
Alan, as a Brit Cit travelling in the UK, I had an MRI on the NHS over a year ago due to a suspected brain tumour (not found, false alarm, hooray!) and I hated the thought of it as I am a bit claustrophobic and they are like an iron coffin. To make it worse, the machine was ancient, and the patient communication system didn’t work. Raise your leg if you need us, they said. I am only little and they wouldn’t actually have seen me do this if I had needed to and who knew they were looking? It was not pleasant as the machine’s music system, there to calm you, was also faulty. Head and body in a noisy concrete mixer coffin for twenty still and restrained minutes. Awful.
No more NHS for me. Gave it a try in a near-emergency. Technical fail. Medical staff great though, couldn’t fault their knowledge and care.
thanks Rudi, I’m still perusing all possibilities.
Dau had a young friend here just about to graduate in Commerce, his special interest is Tax Law – Capital Gains, we had an enlightening discussion about gambling profits in Oz and definition of Professional Gambling. I have noted the huge advertising reach of one young Waterhouse lately, I realise this is season to shine, but he spends a motza on advertising.
I sorta like Ethiopia too.
Its a butter of a race to pick though, big field, lots of “Unknowns” ie foreigners, but What a Show. Hubby and I are up $200 in the last three weeks, so we’ll have a nice day tomorrow and it won’t cost us a thing !!
I’m stunned the gave you an MRI instead of a CT booked for 3 weeks later if they thought it could be a malignant glioma which can often kill within weeks of symptoms, Lizzie.
It’s pretty obvious that greenest filth are lobbying the ABC to run negative on James Price Point. The ABC must be razed and its employees put through a wood chipper.
Just fucking arrest them and indicate the whole fucking lot.
President Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency has devoted an unprecedented number of bureaucrats to finalizing new anti-coal regulations that are set to be released at the end of November, according to a source inside the EPA.
More than 50 EPA staff are now crashing to finish greenhouse gas emission standards that would essentially ban all construction of new coal-fired power plants. Never before have so many EPA resources been devoted to a single regulation. The independent and non-partisan Manhattan Institute estimates that the EPA’s greenhouse gas coal regulation will cost the U.S. economy $700 billion.
The rush is a major sign of panic by environmentalists inside the Obama administration. If Obama wins, the EPA would have another four full years to implement their anti-fossil fuel agenda. But if Romney wins, regulators will have a very narrow window to enact a select few costly regulations that would then be very hard for a President Romney to undo.
Environmentalists at the EPA pulled this trick before in 2000 when the Clinton administration rushed out a finding that Mercury emissions from power plants were a growing public health threat pursuant to the Clean Air Act. That finding did not regulate power plants itself, but it did force the Bush administration to begin a lengthy regulatory process. The Obama EPA has estimated that this regulation alone will cost the U.S. economy $10.9 billion a year.
Oh good .’s here.
hey ., policy wise, which US party is better for the Australian nation?
Your thoughts?
Jump,
Leaving economics and deficits aside.
Obama and the Dems degrading, downgrading their military scares the sh*t out of me.
The US must remain the dominant military power for the sake of freedom and democracy.
China, Russia and Iran all building up their military whilst Australia and the US actually seem to hate their Armed Forces under the current Administrations.
Only a short wait for the MRI, James, which for my presentation seems to be the check method of choice. They were more concerned about a possible pituitary growth, due some sudden unusual thyroid results, headaches and peripheral vision issues. Concluded it was all idiosyncratic. Thyroid now back to normal without treatment. I still have peripheral vision checks regularly.
Nancy Pelosi has spent much of the past two years proclaiming that Democrats had a great shot at reclaiming the House and returning the speaker’s gavel to her hands.
But her drive to regain the majority for Democrats is on the verge of a complete collapse. Democrats are expected to pick up five seats at best — a fraction of the 25 they need. On the eve of the election, some party officials are privately worried that Democrats might even lose ground and drop one or two seats to the Republican majority.
Because there are so many aboriginal languages in Australia usually only neighbours knew each-other’s languages. The songlines were verbal maps which neighbours shared. If someone from a distant tribe was passing through the “songlines” told them the way*.
Been a while since I read it. I think I still have it if you want to borrow it, JC.
*Buggered if I don’t know why they didn’t use message sticks.
The offending can — or “waste receptacle,” in the words of the Mine Safety and Health Administration’s official citation — was “not covered.” What’s more, “the receptacle was full.” It “could be smelled.” There were — brace yourself — “flies fl[y]ing in and around the receptacle.” And to crown all, “management engaged in aggravated conduct constituting more than ordinary negligence” by allowing this “condition to exist.” The horror.
As residents cleared up, piles of trash built up in front of homes and people speculated about when garbage trucks might arrive to collect the remnants of their flooded homes. The trucks drive by the end of the block regularly, on their way to unload debris from other homes in a parking lot that has become a makeshift dump. So far, none has come down their street
ONE telephone call from Julia Gillard or law firm Slater & Gordon would have led to confirmation that a union slush fund she had helped set up was a mystery to its own branch and almost certainly fraudulent, says a former Australian Workers Union boss.
Peter Trebilco, who was joint secretary of the West Australian branch of the AWU in 1995, said yesterday if he had received such a call, he would have done an immediate audit and proved that the AWU Workplace Reform Association fund and its accounts were secret, unauthorised and unlawful. “If Slater & Gordon had contacted us with the name of it, we would have said, ‘We will try to get to the bottom of what it is and who the beneficiaries are’,” Mr Trebilco told The Australian.
“If we had been told by Slater & Gordon that it was set up by Bruce Wilson and Ralph Blewitt, we would have been immediately more suspicious. We knew about the relationship between Julia Gillard and Bruce, but (not) of the slush fund until after the money in its accounts had disappeared.”
Michael Smith and Hedley Thomas keeping up the good fight. Great pic of ailin’s pinup girl.
Animal rights activists want horse racing banned and vote Green so it was only logical that The Age would save this story for the day after the spring racing carnival began in earnest and that it would drop this followup on Melbourne Cup morning for maximum effect.
Animal rights activists want horse racing banned and vote Green so it was only logical that The Age would save this story for the day after the spring racing carnival began…
They dod it each year, just as they find a way to disrepect the vets on Anzac Day every year.
No more NHS for me. Gave it a try in a near-emergency. Technical fail. Medical staff great though, couldn’t fault their knowledge and care.
I have a rello that lived in France for a while. He said that that system there worked very well and for him as a UK citizen/French resident was free.He has poor French language skills and up until then had fears of being guillotined upon entry to a French Hospital.
He lived near Sarle down Southish.
Disaster relief socialist style: Victoria’s Secret update!
This here is surreal. You’re not going to believe this, so here it is in print fer ya:
Dozens of National Guardsmen, and Army and Air Force personnel who have been sleeping at Manhattan’s Lexington Armory in between hurricane-relief shifts are being booted — to make room for Victoria’s Secret models in anticipation of Wednesday’s runway show.
About 300 uniformed personnel have been bunking down at the armory at various times since Sandy hit.
But their numbers will be reduced to 60 by Wednesday for the event, which is featuring Rihanna and Justin Bieber.
The military workers will be relocated to the Jacob Javits Center, Harlem Armory and hotels such as the Marriott East Side and Ramada East Side — where they’ll bunk five to 10 per room on the government’s dime, sources said.
…
A massive transformer generator was being brought in for the show, and a huge Sony video board was hauled to the site.
Just to rub some salt in this wound, lets lay it out:
Soldiers,
on duty for disaster relief,
in a disaster which is still a DISASTER,
in a place where over a million people haven’t had power since Tuesday and still don’t,
are being kicked out of the armory
which was built and is maintained specifically for SOLDIERS to use during time of war, disaster, insurrection, plague and what have you,
which cost the taxpayers of New York millions and millions and millions of dollars over the years,
which is a Federal building under control of FEMA for the duration of the emergency,
an emergency which is still in place,
are being kicked out of their barracks for an underwear show,
which is being powered by a huge generator that is urgently needed about a hundred other places by people who are cold and hungry,
and is using equipment being delivered by large trucks which probably should be working to deliver that generator to the cold-and-hungry people.
New Yorkers, this is your government in action. This is the action delivered by your President, Barack Obama, who you voted for in droves, who promised to cut the red tape and get you people looked after. 100% fail.
Tomorrow you get to vote on who runs your government. I suggest you think about that Victoria’s Secret show at the Lexington Armory and what it represents to you personally before you do.
Mr Kate Ellis must be back at that Newscorp backwater The Punch. How else could you explain this piece by Josh Thomason self described,
“Josh is a pretentious nobody who is doing a Bachelor of Arts at Deakin University, majoring in Creative Writing and Literature.
He hopes to one day be a real boy, and you can find him babbling about political things on his Tumblr and his Twitter.”
Punch loves its tongue in cheek descriptions of Newscorps answer to The Dumb. Alas they are depressingly accurate.
You wonder why Newscorp and Murdoch seem prepared to take their media down this road. The one thing established media companies should offer over blogs is good writers with established credentials, consistent points of view (including those you disagree with) and reasoned analysis of events. Publishing something from a kid at Deakin Uni provides exactly none of these.
I would not be interested in Josh Thomason’s views if he was handing me change from a Bacon and Egg McMuffin. Nothing changes because it is stuck on teh interweb.
I say
” Dotty – how did you come to the late 1980s Dot?. Think again boy. Think hard. Do the research post grad econ student. Which unis had more than three thousand grads one graduation a year? Most of the mains.
He says
You reckon you didn’t get married or have kids until after graduation and you allege to have a child who is at least 20 years old.
Dot – havent you ever seen a pregnant woman in a university who happens to be studying?.
Havent met any Mums studying who have kids?
They are there Dot.
You are a silly child Dot and a very bad researcher because you positively leap into wrong headed conclusions based on your own wrong assumptions without any facts or evidence at all.
… err, slight f*ck up with TAB No’s on my Cup picks last night.
TAB HORSE
7 CAVALRYMAN (GB)
10 ETHIOPIA
11 FIORENTE (IRE)
14 GREEN MOON (IRE)
15 MALUCKYDAY (NZ)
The talks, they claim, were initiated and led by Jarrett, and took place in Bahrain.
If in fact the White House made the call to kibosh any rescue efforts in Benghazi, I remain of the view that Bambi doesn’t have the focus to make a snap decisions like that, and Obama confidente Valerie Jarrett probably would have probably made the stand down call.
She reputedly was against the bin Laden mission too.
It’s a pity Congress seems to have surrendered any oversight role – a foreign affairs committee would normally be interested in outreach to hostile states by WH staffers ?
Songlines, also called Dreaming tracks by Indigenous Australians within the animist indigenous belief system, are paths across the land (or sometimes the sky which mark the route followed by localised ‘creator-beings’ during the Dreaming. The paths of the songlines are recorded in traditional songs, stories, dance, and painting.
A knowledgeable person is able to navigate across the land by repeating the words of the song, which describe the location of landmarks, waterholes, and other natural phenomena. In some cases, the paths of the creator-beings are said to be evident from their marks, or petrosomatoglyphs, on the land, such as large depressions in the land which are said to be their footprints.
By singing the songs in the appropriate sequence, Indigenous people could navigate vast distances, often travelling through the deserts of Australia’s interior. The continent of Australia contains an extensive system of songlines, some of which are of a few kilometres, whilst others traverse hundreds of kilometres through lands of many different Indigenous peoples — peoples who may speak markedly different languages and have different cultural traditions.
Since a songline can span the lands of several different language groups, different parts of the song are said to be in those different languages. Languages are not a barrier because the melodic contour of the song describes the nature of the land over which the song passes. The rhythm is what is crucial to understanding the song. Listening to the song of the land is the same as walking on this songline and observing the land.
In some cases, a songline has a particular direction, and walking the wrong way along a songline may be a sacrilegious act (e.g. climbing up Uluru where the correct direction is down). Traditional Aboriginal people regard all land as sacred, and the songs must be continually sung to keep the land “alive”.
PS Sounds somewhat similar to the concept of “leylines” in our own mythical tradition. For info on leylines see:
Nanny State Alert. Those brutish EU bureaucrats are demolishing the olfactory heritage of La France. By 2014 expect to buy only a watered-down version of traditional old parfums. They are allergising the ingredients, particularly of Chanel 5 and Guerlain’s Shalimar.
This is a personal attack on me. These have been my day and evening standbys for ever. I am occasionally unfaithful with others, such as Balenciaga’s Rhumba or Jean Patou’s Joy for a while, and Lanvin’s Arpege as another standby (‘cos of my mother), but really!! As if the vapid and thin ‘atomiser sprays’ produced under the names of today’s celebs have any cachet or ability to linger …
But of course, Lizzie. Do you not know just how dangerous and lethal The Perfume? Kills millions every year…oh wait:
The commission says that it must take consumers into account but it wants to know how many people really suffer from perfume- related maladies. “We lack statistics,” Mr Vincent said.
What a bunch of morons, obviously trying to justify their totalitarian existence.
Ahh Lizzie I sympathise – but recently for the first time I came under personal attack by my Chanel No 5 – regrettably my immune system has become hyperactive and I found that my throat felt like it was burning after an appication. But I did not expect the likes of the EU to come charging to my rescue. I regard this as just another outrage perpretated by advancing age – not parisian parfumiers. Perhaps this is why elderly ladies start receiving gifts of lavender water instead of Poison! Alas and alack.
Lizzie,
It is not possible for me to decipher your last comment @7:01, but i think it maybe about ” stink pretty “.
All i know on that is The Taipan makes me shower the minute i get home a apply Brut 33.
To suppress her exposure to huge amounts of pheromones I suspect.
She’s very sensitive to those.
Jump, not about stink pretty, but wafting, wafting along with just a hint a something quintessentially lovely, a gently perfumed Giverney (Monet’s garden) and all that signifies, or an Arabian garden as the hint of paradise to come. Parfum is a feeling, an emotion, it is the gift to the Christ child, the stuff of Cleopatra’s allure, the strange content of the alchemist’s mysterious pots and bottles, a baby’s breath, a flaming fire.
Well, that’s enough copywriting from me. I just love traditional scents.
Personally, I like ape-like male pheromones, as long as they are showered occasionally, but for going out I like to splash Da Hairy One with something bracingly designerish and astringent into the shaving nicks. Watch the grown man flinch.
Goes well with the dinner suit, I find. Lay on the Shalimar and we are a pair indeed. Perhaps we should come with a health warning, allergy alert flashing.
Viva, I’m afraid the only solution is to change your poison. Or use less of it. Re-invent the perfume dabbed handkerchief and stick it in the middle of your bra. Or just put the handky in your underwear drawer. Otherwise, 4711 for you.
Usually every Cup day a politician comes forth with winning prediction.
No news yet who tipped” Green Moon “.
Milne can’t cause horse racing is cruel.
Gillard can’t cause that perpetuates the ALP/Green thing.
And Abbott wanted ” Lights of Heaven “( coincidentally the only girl horse in the race )
Lizzie, that is disgraceful. They will prise my Hermes Caleche from my cold, dead hands.
I like Arpege too. The classic perfumes (floral aldehydes being my preference) are classic for a reason.
If properly applied, not slathered on, someone would have to be very sensitive or very close to react to it. It is cheap scents used like Evian water in a desert that cause everyone within 5 metres to experience sneezing and watering eyes. Over-scented deodorants and soaps, aftershaves and BO have similar effects. Are they going to do something about them too?
Jump, I got Red Cadeaux in the dancers’ sweep (did a terrific new routine today too), so appropriate given today’s devastating parfum news. Something French for Lizzie.
I will get HIA to buy me a crate of Shalimar, as insurance for sultry nights into the future.
You must be careful not too use too much though. The aim is not to knock people out.
I know a lovely 92 year old who knows horses. Her father ran trotters and she has followed them ever since for a two dollar bet each way every Saturday.
She says she picks horses on whether they stand out from the form guide,
I swear this is a true story.
I spoke to her last night (such a sweet lady) and she said “Alice, do you like horses?” I said “I dont know anything about horses but I’m in a sweep”
She said “no 7 and no 14, and I like Green Moon”.
I said “thanks” and didnt bet on it later.
FOOL ME. Never ignore a 92 year old who knows horses!
I find applying any perfume immediately after showering burns my skin, it’s only because I’m fresh out of the shower. I have to wait a while.
Coco is currently a favourite of mine, and I like Euphoria, Pleasures, Byzance, Organza (but I preferred Organza First Light, now unavailable). The original Poison is a favourite.
I worked in an office years ago with a temp who loved her Issy Miyaki (sp?). To me it stinks. She would come in reeking of it, then spray more on during the day because she couldn’t smell it. I told her one day when she was fumigating herself in the corridor that the sign of a good perfume is that you don’t smell it on yourself but everyone else can, and the one she was wearing was quite strong enough when she arrived at work and she should leave the bottle at home.
She took my advice and I could breathe again.
There’s another perfume that to me smells like Pea-Beau. Don’t know it, but it is awful.
I donated $60 on donkeys.
RE stink pretty, we got the ” potential daughter in law ” soom new Kattie Perry(?) stuff, she’s a farm girl, she cried a bit.
Yet another excellent Insight tonight (SBS Jenny Brockie) re use of provocatIon as a defense in murder. Gentleman from Tasmania is very informative.
My conclusion is that our Eminent Judges are letting us down. Judges seem not live in the real world.
Chanel no 5 cant beat it either but it doesnt beat Diorissimo to me. I always get the most favourable feedback wearing that one and been earing it for decades.
Elizabeth, I don’t want to barge in where I’m not welcome while ladies are discussing their finery, but I thought I might be able to help with future forays into the world of the Melbourne Cup that will surely follow the office sweep – tips that I’m sure DHA is already aware of:
1. Never back horses whose European trainers think their equine money eaters can travel 17,000 kms standing up in a noisy old air freighter without freshening up in the luxury to which they’re accustomed and having a run around with the other horsies in a prelude in the paddock at Caulfield or Flemington or Geelong first.
2. While Gai Waterhouse was once a bit-part actor in Dr Who, she can’t be trusted to train a winner in a race of more than a mile and a quarter (2000m), which rules out the Melbourne Cup, which is two miles (3200m). In fact, as DHA will surely tell you, she can’t train a pig to be dirty, except at Randwick in Sydney.
3. The word “cup” is actually pronounced with a nasaly, uneducated accent where the letter ‘c’ becomes ‘g’, i.e. gup.
4. Best of all, your ticket to the Birdcage at Flemington requires your date to pay for and serve you expensive French champagne in crystal, canapes and other non-fattening French words and guarantees you endless ogling and adulation.
5. Being a lady, you must resist the desire to become a drunken tramp at 4.30pm and walk home crying, makeup running, with your shoes in your hands.
I definitely recommend at least one flying five-star visit to the world’s best party. Pip pip.
A friend, years ago (70s), loved Arpege. On her it was beautiful, perfect.
I tried it – yuk. Awful.
Perfume is an individual thing. Noone should buy a woman perfume unless the know exactly which scent she likes.
Some I like but can’t wear give me headaches and/or make me sneeze – I don’t wear them. They don’t need to be banned (just bathing in them needs to be regulated when wearer is in my proximity).
I was woking today in town. Alas no live tream in class. Had to get the kids to google their ipads in class to fid out who won.
Lots of ladies with cute hats on the bus on the way home. None crying or carrying their shoes.
Can anyone help me out with a nice scent for a 20 year old male?
I buy him special aftershave perfume when we go overseas but I never know whats nice for twenty year old boys by way of aftershave scent?
Any ideas? He takes what I buy and says he likes it (Ive bought CK and something else) but I never know what to buy really. What is popular in that age group? Do they wear perfume? What do boys like?
You perhaps never graduated from university Alice, your life story is bullshit.
No Australian university has ever had a graduating class/year of 3000 commerce students (yet you claim to have done so [coming 11th out of 3000 students] in the late 1980s if your story about having a 20-21 year old son born after you studied UG, being too busy to meet your future husband whilst studying, is true at all).
You are so boring with this nonsense. You ahvent looked up the stats. Indeed Sydney unis had garduating classers per year of 3000 whe I graduated,
Now go away. Are you looking at only one campus you clumsy fool and not amalgamating the ones that had two or more active campuases. You dont recall because you are too stupid and too yoing to remember that in those days unis had two or more campuses because they were consilidating the old CAE campuses.
Now fuck off Dtt, I really dont have time for beginners who dont do either their homewoork or their numbers well. Now tell me how you went with MQs recent apllocation for teachers Dot? Did you apply or not or didnt you know about it?
Isnt that what you said you did for a living while you are a so called econ post grad student?? Most of the ones I know teach one or two unis Dot. Do you or dont you make the grade?
Let me get back to discussing something I am enjoying – like perfume.
so called econ post gard student studying his phd claims to have taught at uni.
Why dont you send the bame of the uni you teach at and your name to Sinclair Davidson and Ill check with him and ask my friends if you ever taught anywhere.
You dare to question me? I could find out about you a lot faster than you could check on me sonny boy.
Do it Dot. Its you that are the fraud here. You dont teach anywhere or you wouldnt mind saying so and I doubt you are even and econ post gard student because yoir research skills are terrible.
You arent even an econ post grad students doing their phd (bar those at UWS) and you you dont teach anywhere boy. I know most phd econ students who teach and they teach across more than one campus and one uni.
Ohhhh Soooo
You are now not teaching at the moment and you “are doing work for yourself”????
Bullshit Dot. Most phd econ students get work teaching and at 120 an hour why would you be working for yourself?
What do you actually do Dot that earns you more than that?
You are full of bullshit. You say you are an academic student.
Bullshit Dot. You dont even know how and where thet get work. I do.
You dont. Now piss off you bumptious little prig. You arent even an econ phd postgrad student. You are a liar.
What matters is I am not some drunken idiot off their meds like you who makes up absurd life stories to slur Tony Abbot or to argue the economics of thuggish stupidity from a position of confected authority.
Dot. You arent even an econ phd student – let alone teach at uni. You knolw nothing about it. What is the admission criteria to teach at a Sydney uni Dot?
List it here, How do you go about getting teaching work at Sydney unis? Tell us what you know about the process? Who gets to approve you Dot?
You are just a jealous fool who has mafe up some life hsitory you dont actually live. Sad.
Tell me where you graduated from first, and produce the merit list you were so eager to scan last night, when you were slightly more inebriated.
No Australian university has EVER had a graduating year of 3000 commerce students.
Universities do not combine classes across faculties.
Previously you defended your “11th out of 3000 graduating students from the commerce faculty” claim. Now your excuse is “erm, CAEs were merged, um, it was for the whole university”.
For all those aesthetically pleasing young women out there…
Rabz
3 Nov 12 at 12:01 am
Has Rabz posted his song yet?
Token
3 Nov 12 at 12:02 am
Where the bloody hell is he? I’m getting sick of waiting…
Token
3 Nov 12 at 12:03 am
Podiumed Silver, a personal best!
Mick Gold Coast QLD
3 Nov 12 at 12:03 am
Token
He knows it’s really only 11pm
jumpnmcar
3 Nov 12 at 12:04 am
Setting fire to the night…
Rabz
3 Nov 12 at 12:04 am
Fourth.
Bleah.
kae
3 Nov 12 at 12:04 am
Sandy “unprecedented”. Er…no.
The comments are entertaining.
Yep, even in Canada.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 12:05 am
the song has been considered spam.
Rabz
3 Nov 12 at 12:05 am
The rulez of this thread must be:
No feet.
No honey.
No pawpaw.
No pedicures.
No socks in bed.
Just no.
kae
3 Nov 12 at 12:06 am
Have you tried tiny url http://tinyurl.com/create.php?
Token
3 Nov 12 at 12:07 am
So what you’re saying, Kae is the Cat has gone all Nanny Statist.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 12:08 am
The live versions are rubbish. Studio is sublime.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 12:08 am
Oh, that’s right… it’s Friday night. Dang – wasn’t even looking for new thread. Doh!
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 12:09 am
James Taranto notes the Glow-ball Warming types were around in 1893 as well…
Token
3 Nov 12 at 12:10 am
No pants?
#NoPantsFriday
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 12:13 am
No, I’m sayin’ we can’t upset some people by talking about anything else but… what? in the open forum.
Funny that, Open Forum. Wonder what that means?
Anyway, I wanted Fleeced to have nice, comfy and not sore feet.
(Channelling Candy I think!)
Alice. Hmmm. 50 odd and knows it all. Looking to retire.
Alice, give up the drunkblogging, your obsession with dot is messing with your head.
kae
3 Nov 12 at 12:13 am
So cockroaches are OK?
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 12:13 am
Well, Spot.
No pants Friday is OK here in Qld, but in the southern states it is Saturday, so it’s probably illegal.
kae
3 Nov 12 at 12:14 am
Don’t think Gab will like (icky) cockroaches. Don’t bother me, though.
kae
3 Nov 12 at 12:14 am
“From elsewhere. For posterity.”
No Alice, you are full of shit.
You claimed to have graduated before your son was born, around 20 years ago (a couple of years ago), from a class of 3000 commerce students from an Australian university based in Sydney, at the same time as you worked full time.
No Australian university has thus far produced a graduating year of pass/honours undergrad commerce students over 3000 students, and enrolments have surged since the mid 1990s.
You are full of shit.
Now that we’ve totally destroyed your lunatic argument from authority, let’s resume by saying your other (economic) arguments are just as unhinged and that you are probably jinmaro/phil.
.
3 Nov 12 at 12:17 am
Disgusting! Sex obsessed!
What about rugby scrums kae? I can go on for hours about great rugby scrums I have seen and been in. It’s a science you know. … eh?
Mick Gold Coast QLD
3 Nov 12 at 12:19 am
From the old forum:
Okay, so they want everyone to stay alive.
Of course. Tax alcohol and people stop drinking. Tax smokes and people stop smoking. Tax carbon dioxide and people will stop exhaling.
Tax death…
Way to go, ALP.
kae
3 Nov 12 at 12:21 am
Mick
Was that no pants Friday scrums?
(giggle)
kae
3 Nov 12 at 12:23 am
This is as good as it gets.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 12:23 am
Craig Emerson, the new Asian Century Commander for Australia:
Yes, we know all about Labor’s “reforms”:
Another WINNING! strategy from Labor provided by their Facebook & GetUp consultants.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 12:25 am
Gotta catch some Z’s, flying off to Vegas lights.
Too bad about those guys, fighting for their lives all night.
High-way tooooo the Vegas zone
Turned my back on guys inside the danger zone.
When this all comes out (and it will), Obama’s name is going to be shit forever. I hope nobody assassinates him, because nothing could be worse than having to live forty more years with the moral stain of what he’s done hanging around his neck.
And if anyone’s calling Sandy “unprecedented”, it might be because New York is statistically a city and state of softcocks who aren’t used to anything bad happening. Swirly atmospheric shit is for black people in Louisiana, murdered by Bush (/sarc), or for redneck hicks in the flyover states. (On the topic of which, who would pay to see a Wizard of Oz remake with Honey Boo Boo as Dorothy?)
perturbed
3 Nov 12 at 12:25 am
And they’ll impose these new taxes how, exactly?
Any GST increase requires the agreement of all the states.
Death duties? Try implementing those before these squandermonkeys are cactus.
I call bullshit.
Rabz
3 Nov 12 at 12:27 am
Well it may be that, Rabz. I did say rumblings not fact.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 12:28 am
Rabz
How else are they going to balance the budget?
.
3 Nov 12 at 12:29 am
In other words, neither will happen.
Rabz
3 Nov 12 at 12:33 am
Dot,
Is this how you handle yourself when you’re out and you bump in to those drunk cougars?
Alex Pundit
3 Nov 12 at 12:35 am
Ahem, Sinc – very disappointed about the song sabotage this evening, Squire.
Rabz
3 Nov 12 at 12:38 am
The whole Sandy thing was was so pathetic. NYC, once the most resilient and powerful city in the world, reduced to (according to the media) a whimpering mess on the analyst’s couch because of a storm that does not even approach the severity of previous ones.
People from Florida were rightly contemptuous. “You call that a storm? THIS is a storm” and so on.
Strangely, reports are filtering through that most things are working pretty well within a few days. But disaster porn, and the Cult of Climate Doomsayers, seem to have dominated the popular coverage.
Oh, and in case anyone still held any hope for the once respected journal, The Economist, they have come out in support of Obama. I spit on them. It’s like Elvis shaving his head and joining an unknown death metal group, where he just plays bass.
johanna
3 Nov 12 at 12:43 am
Convert link with tinyurl… that’s how I get around it.
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 12:44 am
Tax death…
Way to go, ALP.
It will go like this: Swan announces that Treasury modeling has determing that as Australians can afford to pay so many taxes there will now be a tax on all taxation paid. The Taxing Taxes Tax.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 12:45 am
Maybe it’s going to go a little something like this:
Lisa:
If I’m going to bail the country out, I’ll have to raise taxes, but in my speech I’d like to avoid calling it a, “painful emergency tax.”
Milhouse:
What about, “colossal salary-grab.”
Lisa:
See, that has the same problem. We need to soften the blow.
Milhouse:
Well, if you just want to out-and-out lie … [Lisa doesn't object] Okay, we could call it a, “temporary refund adjustment.”
Lisa:
I love it.
[Later, Lisa is on TV]
Lisa:
My fellow Americans and voting illegal aliens, I will not mince words. Your country needs you. That’s why today I’m proposing a temporary refund adjustment.
Moe:
Refund adjustment? Hey, sounds good to me.
Lenny:
Sure beats a tax.
Carl:
We love you, President Simpson.
.
3 Nov 12 at 12:50 am
They already do so in France, I think, well they did a few years ago. papachango can confirm.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 12:51 am
Mein Gott you cannot be serious. Jean Baptiste Colbert would be on a full spin cycle in his tomb.
.
3 Nov 12 at 12:54 am
They already do so in France, I think, well they did a few years ago. papachango can confirm.
Well that it’s then Gab. Not only did they give us PoMo, Foucault, Lacan and Sartre, now they have given us a new taxation method. Time to invade France.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 12:55 am
We are already halfway there. It’s called the GST.
For example, my insurance premiums include a ‘levy’ (ha, ha! fooled me there!) for fire and emergency services. Then, I pay GST on the lot.
johanna
3 Nov 12 at 12:59 am
Tom, so are you you a fan of jazz fusion in general or just Weather Report? Good track, BTW.
tbh
3 Nov 12 at 1:00 am
And politicians will now be declared:
Dead, Baby, DEAD!
C’mon, dickheads, just try us – we know you want to!
Rabz
3 Nov 12 at 1:01 am
Release of alarming obesity figures shows action is vital
ENOUGH is enough. Time to bring out the regulatory strong arms to swoop us up because we clearly can’t do it on our own.
Action is most certainly needed. Exercise. FFS it was the dietary advice about carbs that paved the way, got everyone addicted to sugar spikes as kids. There are even studies which show that sugar has addictive qualities. They created the problem they are complaining about.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 1:04 am
Joh,
We’ve only had to put up with taxes on ‘certain’ taxes, not ‘all’ taxes.
The moment the extra tax is paced on all taxes, it’s on.
No mercy will be shown…
Rabz
3 Nov 12 at 1:05 am
UNION POWER
New Jersey town turns away Alabama volunteer utility workers because they’re nonunion
That’s appalling.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 1:05 am
No mercy will be shown…
Yep, reminds me of a great line in that movie I saw last night. One soldier stated he doesn’t like murder. The sargent replies: We murder people, we kill animals.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 1:07 am
Okay my playlist contribution: Telegraph Road (parts 1 & 2)
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 1:11 am
Romney and Obama spend big on last-minute Pa. ads
lol
JamesK
3 Nov 12 at 1:12 am
Rabz, Ds: Or, to quote the coolest thing ever said by a Dalek (speaking to a Cyberman, so nobody gives a shit how many were going to die):
“This is not war – this is pest control!”
perturbed
3 Nov 12 at 1:13 am
Sdog, that is one of my favourite tracks.
I’m presently listening to “Song for Jeff” by Steve Lukather.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8kyNxfeRlo
tbh
3 Nov 12 at 1:14 am
Mine contribution, a beautiful lament
Asleep the Snow Came Flying – Tim Story
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 1:15 am
New Jersey made their (unionized) bed; they can lie in it. Sans power and water, for all I’m concerned. Maybe it’ll learn ‘em something. #TeachableMoment
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 1:16 am
Squaw Highcheekbones Pelosi holds secret fundraiser with Islamists, Hamas-linked groups
and
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 1:20 am
Bummer for Barry…
Unemployment up in the US.
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 1:21 am
Maybe it’ll learn ‘em something.
Nah. Too stupid and stubborn.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 1:22 am
I still have a ‘borrowed’ Telegraph Road road sign from Woodbridge, VA.
In my defense, I was young and naive when it came into my possession.
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 1:22 am
LOL.
That endorsement from Bloomberg has become suddenly toxic.
New York’s Incredible Shrinking Mayor.
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/156551/
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 1:23 am
Ceremony – New Order
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 1:27 am
“Okay my playlist contribution: Telegraph Road (parts 1 & 2)”
Oh yes sdog – I saw them live in Sydney in 1990ish, as polished and professional a performance as I’ve witnessed.
Mick Gold Coast QLD
3 Nov 12 at 1:27 am
Hedley Thomas back on the Rodent’s lie trail:
Gillard failed to disclose slush fund’s existence.
His revelations are big.
She lied to Parliament.
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 1:31 am
A Play for Pa.
Exclusive: Romney’s heading to Pennsylvania as GOP drops millions on ads
JamesK
3 Nov 12 at 1:31 am
I say, take away their government-provided amenities for a few days and these progressive sophisticated New Yorkers are pretty helpless featherless bipeds, aren’t they.
Come the zombie apocalypse, they’re toast. Go the red-state bitter-clinging disaster-prep mob they’ve laughed down their noses at their whole lives.
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 1:31 am
tbh, most of Weather Report is hard going. Birdland was transcendal. So was Jaco Pastorius, the bass player. I just bought myself a new Fender American Standard fretless jazz bass to muck around with. But but I find most jazz soulless and intellectualised.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 1:32 am
She’s such a great negosheaiter.
There’s an excellent photo under the headline in the SMH.
Reminds me of this.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 1:33 am
Hedley Thomas’ article is a crystal clear indictment of Gillard.
Let’s see what happens next.
JamesK
3 Nov 12 at 1:35 am
It’s official: Obama is now the most disastrous jobs president since socialist bone head Franklin Roosevelt.
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 1:36 am
This should be interesting.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 1:36 am
Come the zombie apocalypse, they’re toast.
I saw that when I peeped at Question Time the other day. The zombie was incapable of answering questions, called other people names, and her hair was red with blood. Run!
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 1:37 am
That’s incredible Gab. Just freakin’ amazin’. Run!
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 1:38 am
You need to get some sleep, John as you’re no longer disguising your sarcasm. /sarc
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 1:41 am
I know right?! Rangas ~looks around to make sure kae’s not behind me~ scare me, too.
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 1:41 am
WTF?
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 1:41 am
He just needs more Vitamin C, Gab. Or aspirin. Or something.
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 1:42 am
How did the MSM allow that report to slip through to the public, when they’ve been “tasked” with getting their boy up on Tuesday – asleep on the job?
Indeed, who authorised the public servants in their Centrelink equivalent to come up with such a wrong answer – such a “not optimal” “bump in the road” – at this time? Heads will roll …
Anyway, this increase is a mis-speak (I do love that stupid, stupid word).
But look, there’s Michelle – isn’t she wearing a lovely frock? The US needs four more years of Michelle. The US deserves four more years of Michelle for voting as they did four years ago.
Mick Gold Coast QLD
3 Nov 12 at 1:44 am
He just needs more Vitamin C, Gab. Or aspirin. Or something.
Nope, sorry, I’m going to be up til about 7.00am. Just warming up so Run. What I need is to recover my concentration. It gone walkabout I tell you. I look over here, over there … .
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 1:45 am
Damn ya’ think, I would have never noticed.
The Ins and Outs of In-Groups and Out-Groups
People tend to conform to the behaviors of those they associate with,
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 1:47 am
I don’t hide my sarcasm GAB, I throw in peoples’ faces. It was good for Patton, it was good for Rickover, it was good enough for Pauli so it’ll do for me.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 1:49 am
What would the unemployment rate be today if the job participation rate were the same as when Obama took office? And what about underemployment?
That’s a biggie. Everyone here knows someone who’s either given up looking for work and has timed out on unemployment, or who needs a full-time job but is getting 4 hours a week at Home Depot which officially takes them off the rolls. A cousin’s daughter, uni graduate, is technically one of the tens of millions “living in poverty” though not “unemployed” because she scored 4 hours a day, twice a week, of working at a tanning salon for minimum wage. Of course she’s a “Media Studies” graduate so one might say she brought it on herself, but still…
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 1:51 am
Calmly roping those unemployed walkabout whites back into the Obama tent is Special Assistant to the President, Kareem Dale:
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 1:53 am
I don’t hide my sarcasm GAB,
err…yes, that was my point with /sarc. It was a double sarc comment with a negative flip.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 1:56 am
Oy. Bad optics.
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 1:57 am
The deadline was Oct 31st. Been and gone. I don’t believe anyone expected Bronco Bamma to be as transparent as other presidents in this regard.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 2:03 am
My contribution to the nachtmusik:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqWGu5ZaQuQ
Miles Runs the Voodoo Down.
johanna
3 Nov 12 at 2:06 am
85th! Luckiest number in outer uzbekistan!
Abu Chowdah
3 Nov 12 at 2:14 am
Ace with a classic on Bloomberg, Obama and ‘global warming.’
Don’t skip the final several pars.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/334535.php
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 2:23 am
Wow. Just wow.
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/156549/
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 2:25 am
err…yes, that was my point with /sarc. It was a double sarc comment with a negative flip.
Oh damn I really am losing my grip. Where’s that aspirin.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 2:36 am
Literacy is over-rated.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 2:37 am
My kid is a downturn refugee. Her apartment has had no power and it’s anticipated it will go back on Sunday or Monday.
She will be staying on in the apartment we’re in after we leave. Stuff is pretty grim down there.
Meanwhile that arsehole fascist Bloomberg is only worried about the marathon.
It’s his last term so he really doesn’t give much of a shit anymore .
JC
3 Nov 12 at 4:06 am
You’re just showing off JC … how many apartments do you own leases to in NY?
Nanuestalker
3 Nov 12 at 5:34 am
UCSF neuroscientists have found that by training on attention tests, people young and old can improve brain performance and multitasking skills.
Read more at: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-11-neuroscientists-late-retrain-brain.html#jCp
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 5:38 am
Reminds me of studies on the blind spot. Intriguing finding.
Brain May ‘See’ More Than the Eyes, Fruit Fly Study Indicates
Clever
It may soon be possible to test a person for cancer with just a drop of their blood and a small machine. As part of a European research project, scientists have developed a device for detecting the HSP70 protein, which is over-expressed in patients with many types of cancer. The objective: to make a diagnosis extremely early in the disease process, thereby improving outcomes for patients.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 5:43 am
First on the last OT, 94th on this. Oh well.
Eddystone
3 Nov 12 at 6:22 am
Does anyone remember when JC stopped doing his welcome to country on the OTs?
Was it about the time the troll infestations started?
Eddystone
3 Nov 12 at 6:24 am
Who’d have guessed – the Greens aligning with Labor to form the ACT Government!!!!
If I was the Lib leader, I would not agree to ‘pairs”
Mike of Marion
3 Nov 12 at 6:46 am
Good Morning fellow Cats.
I take it that I am now on a Super ignore list as I haven’t seen any movement on my posts on the Tuesday forum. I don’t think that my appearance on this site can be blamed on Hesus as he appears to be the chap who resents me most. I will continue to post information from this date and you can take it or leave it as you collectively choose. I am not in League with any Trolls, I am not a member of any political party, and my views however opposed to yours are entirely my own.
I am pleased to see that the trivial nature of your posts is to return to more meaningful subjects.
Personal likes and dislikes should not enter discussion. I look forward to a meaningful relationship in the future. The Cat should be a place for the exchange and evaluation of facts, not an agony Aunt column.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 6:46 am
That wasn’t informative, Alan, just more spam. You are a monument to the lax moderation at this blog, a self-satisfied also-ran on SfB’s level of utility, which is to say none at all.
Blogstrop
3 Nov 12 at 7:14 am
Delingpole has another go at the BBC over climate change perfidy, in a broadside that applies to our ABC as well. There is ample evidence that the ABC has taken one side and excluded or undermined the other. Their abandonment of the historical and honorable role of an impartial national broadcaster is beyond the pale, it is subversion.
Blogstrop
3 Nov 12 at 7:38 am
JC, grab one of these before you leave, cheap as.
Rudiau
3 Nov 12 at 8:22 am
Heyyy, Spot!
1:41am
Heyyyy, toast!
kae
3 Nov 12 at 8:29 am
>I still have a ‘borrowed’ Telegraph Road road sign from Woodbridge, VA.
I have a full-size cardboard London tube map from the Circle line somewhere (unless I finally threw it out in the last move). Definitely from young and naive days, when I was less than perfect. The thing is huge, I don’t recall precisely how it was liberated, and the available witnesses testimony is decidedly shaky as well.
brc
3 Nov 12 at 8:35 am
What a cnut
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-01/running-the-data-on-a-romney-presidency.html
Klein is a real shitbag.
.
3 Nov 12 at 8:39 am
My problem with Klein is he is a dishonest fruit loop. He has dramatic, highly critical headings (Romney is weak, let’s forget about Benghazi) and then admits in smaller print “well actually, I can’t see the future”.
.
3 Nov 12 at 8:43 am
Of course they union is going to turn them away – expanding the available workforce will cut into the overtime available to the existing unionised workers. Do they care if residents are without power for longer than necessary? Not if they’re on extended shifts with double and triple time…
boy on a bike
3 Nov 12 at 8:48 am
American Thinker
Can’t see the MSM jumping into this before the election, so surely this would mean an impeachment after the election.
Biden for President??
Rudiau
3 Nov 12 at 8:51 am
Marathon cancelled.
The despicable fucktard finally got the message.
Infidel Tiger
3 Nov 12 at 8:57 am
Now, wouldn’t it be interesting if you we’re a government member appalled at its performance and sleeze and were looking for ways to bring it down without being labelled a turncoat or labor rat?
Entropy
3 Nov 12 at 8:58 am
Doesn’t the US have:
Disaster Relief
Where civilian resources are inadequate, unavailable or cannot be mobilised in time, emergency Defence Assistance to the Civil Community arrangements enable the Australian Defence Force to contribute in order to save human life, alleviate suffering and prevent loss of animal life or property.
Rudiau
3 Nov 12 at 9:00 am
The government-funded doom wailers thought they’d be able to use the American storm to support current grant applicants Down Under – and no-one would fact-check it:
Of course, the most of the MSM won’t run anything that contradicts the narrative. The children who run the news service at my local sports station, SEN, are still running a couple of sentences of the CC press release almost verbatim, along with the latest Barry Obama storm-themed election propaganda.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 9:08 am
I’m such a newbie. I won’t be able to place my bet on Mitt until Tues as I’ve got to wait for my BPAY transfer to clear. Honestly, why the banks delay clearance of monies that are actually in an account is beyond me. I hope those wonderful odds don’t fall.
dover_beach
3 Nov 12 at 9:13 am
Next week’s question time should be fun with Julie Bishop armed with Hedley Thomas’ latest article. The Red Dalek will have to correct her statements to the House or face the Privileges Committee. While that is a Labor stacked joke (Windsor sits on it), the optics of a referral for misleading the House are very bad, tying into the Juliar meme, which she (not misogynist™) will wish to avoid.
Cold-Hands
3 Nov 12 at 9:15 am
The idiot New York mayor has been shamed into cancelling Sunday’s marathon:
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 9:15 am
Warren Mundine quits the ALP.
May vote Liberal.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/sick-at-heart-why-a-disillusioned-warren-mundine-quit-the-labor-party/story-fn59niix-1226509539543
Infidel Tiger
3 Nov 12 at 9:20 am
Gee, I wonder which states are considered the most important in the presidential race?
US map scaled by election spending in 2008
http://www.npr.org/assets/img/2012/10/26/bbstates_custom-e0c6c871e5a185100d0be94271fba73c0a365998-s4.jpg
Jarrah
3 Nov 12 at 9:21 am
The same thing happened to me D-B; I hoped to get some of the 5.10 on offer on Mitt prior to the first debate but was held up by B-Pay. Mitt’s odds are still drifting out in the market despite the poor unemployment numbers, so I imagine that the gift odds will still be available, although I expect they’ll tighten a bit closer to the polls.
Cold-Hands
3 Nov 12 at 9:26 am
Breitbart
Time to place a bet for me as well.
Sportsbet $4
Betfair $4.30
Centrebet $3.92
Also noticed oz election: Coalition $1.34, and soon to be A Little Party $3.18
Rudiau
3 Nov 12 at 9:35 am
Tom: as is routine with Graham Lloyd articles on climate change, the headline misrepresents to a significant degree the content of the story. (Not that Lloyd cares, I expect, even if he doesn’t write the headline.)
Thus, the headline of the story is “Climate link to Sandy invalid” but the content of the story is nuanced and does argue there are climate links to the hurricane:
For those interested (hi Jarrah – the rest of you draw up your intellectual drawbridges and don’t bother reading this now, you might catch knowledge) Skeptical Science has an article on the various ways climate change has likely contributed to the storm and damage.
steve from brisbane
3 Nov 12 at 9:42 am
Ssshhh, Rudiau. Let’s have those odds drift out to $5 by Tues.
dover_beach
3 Nov 12 at 9:42 am
“For those interested (hi Jarrah”
Sandy may have been exacerbated by AGW. It might not have been. It’s literally impossible to tell. Arguing about it is a complete waste of time.
Jarrah
3 Nov 12 at 9:46 am
Floored me. Wow. What if, indeed.
Helen Armstrong
3 Nov 12 at 9:49 am
try Sportsbet, Dover.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 9:53 am
sfb: For those interested (hi Jarrah”
Jarrah: Sandy may have been exacerbated by AGW. It might not have been. It’s literally impossible to tell. Arguing about it is a complete waste of time.
There, there, sfb.
dover_beach
3 Nov 12 at 9:54 am
As SS says:
steve from brisbane
3 Nov 12 at 9:54 am
ok …. ok
Rudiau
3 Nov 12 at 9:55 am
Jarrah is libertarian inclined, d-b, making him not reliable, of course.
steve from brisbane
3 Nov 12 at 9:55 am
steve from brisbane
3 Nov 12 at 9:56 am
That who I’ve just joined, Gab. Will wait until Tues unless anyone knows how I can place a bet sooner.
dover_beach
3 Nov 12 at 9:57 am
Deposit with credit card or using POLI Dover. It’s instant and completely safe.
Infidel Tiger
3 Nov 12 at 9:58 am
You’ve never heard of the US National Guard then? They’ve only been fulfilling that function since 1636…
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 9:59 am
Try using the credit card instead of BPAY, Dover.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 9:59 am
I hope you got an excellent first deposit bonus DB? They will usually match your deposits with a bonus bet.
Infidel Tiger
3 Nov 12 at 10:01 am
Dogshit, your scientology of climate hysteria is lost without words like “may”, “could have”, “likely”. They’re opinions without causal links by people who keep using such fear-mongering to gouge billions of dollars from our pockets. Take your corrupt religion somewhere else. It was invented for the same reason scientology was: to make people rich. Causal links or fuck off. Here’s a short-cut: there aren’t any.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 10:02 am
As I have noted before, it seems that climate change skeptics and small government types are easily parted with their money. (Jonova and her American family being treated all mean in Western Australia; the IPA asking for money to tell the already converted that freedom of speech is really really important.)
Now a bunch of you is lining up to blow money on Romney.
Tell me, do Home Shopping Channels hold a special appeal to you?
steve from brisbane
3 Nov 12 at 10:03 am
I knew US would have some sort of equivalent.
The question is WTF aren’t they using them.
Rudiau
3 Nov 12 at 10:05 am
One billion Dollar mistake.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 10:06 am
We have our own money Shitfer, which gives us a certain freedom that you’ll never enjoy.
Infidel Tiger
3 Nov 12 at 10:06 am
Video: How to tie a bow tie.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 10:06 am
Heh.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/gst-key-to-tax-reform-says-nick-greiner/story-fn59niix-1226509536028
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 10:08 am
Look out if you vote Liberal or ALP you may be paying more for your food, and services too.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 10:12 am
Jarrah is a nutter and reliably so.
JamesK
3 Nov 12 at 10:18 am
My left-wing friends are drawing attention to this clip from the final episode of Newsroom, comparing the Tea Party to the Taliban. Apart from a few points, it could be used to compare the greens to the Taliban:
Phillip
3 Nov 12 at 10:19 am
http://youtu.be/_Pzqq9sxKkY
Phillip
3 Nov 12 at 10:19 am
Today, Axelrod said in Lima, Ohio, the energy in Obama’s speeches is coming from “his loins.”
Uh-huh. Sure.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 10:19 am
Gab/ IT; Cheers. I’m in. Go Mitt!
dover_beach
3 Nov 12 at 10:19 am
Clip is at:
http://youtu.be/_Pzqq9sxKkY
Phillip
3 Nov 12 at 10:20 am
Good luck with this.
Obama And Biden Indicted By Florida Grand Jury
Rudiau
3 Nov 12 at 10:23 am
A gentleman doesn’t need to know how to tie a bow tie – his butler does it.
H B Bear
3 Nov 12 at 10:25 am
The link:
Phillip
3 Nov 12 at 10:28 am
<a href="”>
Phillip
3 Nov 12 at 10:28 am
Quite so, Bear however on those rare occasions when one’s butler is unavailable….
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 10:29 am
Gaaaab! Sick in my mouth.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 10:29 am
I’m guessing due to the Bronco Bamma loin comment, Tom?
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 10:33 am
Yes. Erkkk.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 10:34 am
I take it you are referring to David Koch donating $100 million dollars to the Lincoln Center. What a rube!
A climate change believer would never be so stupid.
Infidel Tiger
3 Nov 12 at 10:34 am
Okay so the NSW public service reported a deficit when there was a surplus. Incompetence or sabotage?
Either way, this is an excuse to fire a bucketload of people and launch some aggressive and probing internal reviews.
dd
3 Nov 12 at 10:36 am
IT, are you on? I have my account loaded at Arseholes Inc (tab.com.au never forget it’s their money). But the cheapskates are still a quarter to a half point shy of the market. I expect they’ll cough up tomorrow, so I’m waiting an extra day to double up on what I’ve already bet.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 10:42 am
Gab, that’s why the US MSM go through so many kneepads.
Mk50 of Brisbane
3 Nov 12 at 10:43 am
The Reps sits in a couple of weeks, I think, but yes, if she doesn’t correct, there’s the privileges committee and possible censure motion. The recently sacked Attorney General, one Robert McClelland (and Gillard’s best friend sarc) is on the privileges committee, so it could get interesting if it goes there. Recall that McClelland was the first to mention Gillard’s little problem in Parliament.
Keith
3 Nov 12 at 10:45 am
Sorry Cold Hands. No QT next week. The House does not sit again until 26 November.
Septimus
3 Nov 12 at 10:46 am
Wow that Bloomberg endorsement for Obama sure was gold.
LOL.
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 10:48 am
Lack of enthusiam may dampen Romney’s chances:
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/334565.php
Infidel Tiger
3 Nov 12 at 10:48 am
Ahahahahaha.
I love how he does this stuff.
Bill Clinton slyly mocks Obama again…
Bill Clinton: “I May Be the Only Person in America, But I’m More Excited About Obama This Time” (Video).
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 10:50 am
Tom – I have some on at $4.25 and $2.92. Not much though yet.
Will have a decent crack if a few horses do me right.
Infidel Tiger
3 Nov 12 at 10:51 am
They are.
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 10:54 am
Hope ‘n Change replaced by…
Sick… Obama’s Closing Argument: “Revenge!” (Video).
What a fuckwit.
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 10:54 am
The difference is the IPA are kind enough to ask for the money.
As opposed to the ABC, who take our money forcefully, and use it to force their opinions on everyone. So the climate-converted are able to snicker at the fact that those deniers have having their tickets clipped to spread warmist propaganda.
brc
3 Nov 12 at 10:56 am
Obama:”Voting is the best revenge”…revenge for what exactly?
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 10:56 am
Revenge against the rich, the working, the Christian, and most of all, against whitey.
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 10:57 am
Correctamundo dd. For mine, this clearly demonstrates that Barry O’Farrell should have cleaned out the senior Labor appointees in the NSW public sector and now needs to do so a.s.a.p.
Septimus
3 Nov 12 at 10:59 am
Don’t want no ‘splodey sparky-cars!
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 11:08 am
Unless you reside in Victoria or I think SA. State laws prohibit these sign on bonuses. It’s discrimination I tell ya…
Cold-Hands
3 Nov 12 at 11:13 am
So true, Spot.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 11:13 am
I was going to say it wasn’t reported much in the MSM but here it is our own Australian.
While googling, I found this little gem.
How Victoria’s Secret saved the National Guard from Hurricane Sandy
Rudiau
3 Nov 12 at 11:15 am
IT, the old heart sunk there for a second…
roger
3 Nov 12 at 11:15 am
Official: Australian ‘Climate Commission’ lied about Sandy.
What a surprise.
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 11:18 am
Im going to put $500 on Romney
Nic
3 Nov 12 at 11:22 am
I’ve never watched Newsroom because it just looked like typical lefty propaganda… but jeez, what a hate-fest! Apparently, the Tea Party is the American Taliban.
The “newsreader” even tried the sfb tactic of pretending he’s a conservative.
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 11:28 am
My God. This country really is stupid.
Infidel Tiger
3 Nov 12 at 11:30 am
The ACT grabor coalition has committed to 90% renewable energy by 2020.
[groan]
I see Ms Gallagher wore a green dress to the signing ceremony yesterday.
Keith
3 Nov 12 at 11:33 am
alan
3 Nov 12 at 11:33 am
Sandy delays Kiwi who thinks Obama is the Light.
Rudiau
3 Nov 12 at 11:36 am
lol Rudiau.
He sees dead people everywhere.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 11:37 am
No you are lying.
Newsroom is a TV series on HBO which premiered in June 2012.
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 11:38 am
Alan, if you can’t use blockquotes properly, stop fucking using them. There is no point in quoting your entire message.
And Newsroom is a TV series, not a movie. The scenes are dated during the Republican primary (specifically, Aug 2011), but according to IMDB, the series didn’t screen until this year (this was the season 1 finale, and screened Aug 2012).
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 11:44 am
*groan* They’re making a Noah movie?
lol @ Crowe… Obama is “the light and the future”
Who talks like that? What a wanker.
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 11:48 am
Rep ad Thomas Peterffy – Freedom To Succeed
Rudiau
3 Nov 12 at 11:50 am
alan
3 Nov 12 at 11:56 am
What’s the bet the Noah movie is linked to climate change? lol…
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 11:57 am
Alan, you a re a new level of retard.
I can only assume you are someone’s comedic creation. Good work!
Infidel Tiger
3 Nov 12 at 11:59 am
EBL invokes Rule 5 in a Romney Confessions of a Conservative Flight Attendant
Rudiau
3 Nov 12 at 12:00 pm
OMG. What an idiot you are “alan”. Someone links to Sorkin’s little TV show denigrating and lying about those Americans who freely choose to be a part of the TEA Party and as a stupid distraction tactic you come along and quibble, stupidly, as to when the show was aired. FFS!
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 12:00 pm
Gutless Fergo capitulates to Parliament’s least robust male on the orders of a woman:
Ferguson to drop defamation case: PM.
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 12:05 pm
Oh well “Gabby”, I’m sure there is someone or something out there lying about the Democrats as well. Perhaps you as self appointed arbiter of this forum could point them out to me.
As for you fleasy, I will use the Quotes anyway I like and continue to call you FLEASY until you stop acting like a 5 year old.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 12:12 pm
For those who may be interested there is a Doco on Ronald Reahan on Foxtel at 1230 EDT – channel 606.
That is all – please carry on as before.
Carpe Jugulum
3 Nov 12 at 12:15 pm
alan
3 Nov 12 at 12:18 pm
Chester Arthur Burnett (June 10, 1910 — January 10, 1976),
~ better known as Howlin’ Wolf:
Smokestack lightning.
Around the 2.45 mark, you know ‘the wolf’ has been to the crossroads, and sold his soul.
Don’t get sassy with the wolf!
handjive
3 Nov 12 at 12:19 pm
alan – please stop acting like a whiney bitch.
It lowers the tone.
Carpe Jugulum
3 Nov 12 at 12:21 pm
I’ll continue to call you Dogshit’s Dumb Uncle until you stop behaving like a demented 90-year-old.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 12:24 pm
I think Theifdog is perfectly capable of looking after himself Crap Juggler.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 12:25 pm
Hello, Sinclair.
Can you possibly have a clean-out?
The blog is becoming like a YouTube thread.
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 12:27 pm
Dear dear alan – the doctor prescribed your medication for a reason, however, if you feel the need to fondle yourself & type onehanded go for it.
Mocking you is such delicious fun.
Carpe Jugulum
3 Nov 12 at 12:29 pm
BIDEN: ‘There’s Never Been A Day In The Last Four Years I’ve Been Proud To Be His Vice President’…
Video.
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 12:32 pm
I “admit”? Strange choice of words, Alan.
You declared it looked like a movie from 2011. sdog and I corrected you. But then, you knew that. As Gab says:
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 12:32 pm
“Gutless Fergo capitulates to Parliament’s least robust male on the orders of a woman:
My guess is the legal action was just a threat to keep R. Oakschott in line. It was never going to happen.
Ferguson surely would have consulted PM about it all beforehand and not gone off on his own bat.
candy
3 Nov 12 at 12:32 pm
Spot on Candy.
Oakshit needs the friendly wealthy Labor supporter to give him that job 3 months after he’s kicked out by his electorate.
JamesK
3 Nov 12 at 12:38 pm
I hear an “n” sound in there…
“Never been a day in the last for year I ‘n been proud…”
More of a mumble than a gaffe.
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 12:38 pm
Well Fleasy I have to grant that you have magnificent control over the block quote thingy.
I can only assume dear Crap Juggler that you and
Thiefdog are an item as you seem to want to protect him so.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 12:39 pm
In fact, it sounds like a badly mumbled the word “hadn’t”. He makes enough genuine gaffes, we don’t need to make them up for him.
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 12:40 pm
Dear dear alan – *yawn*, you are such a bore.
Carpe Jugulum
3 Nov 12 at 12:45 pm
It’s not exactly rocket science
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 12:45 pm
“In fact, it sounds like a badly mumbled the word “hadn’t”. He makes enough genuine gaffes, we don’t need to make them up for him.”
True, poor old bugger I think he is with dementia. It’s cruel of the Democrats to put him through this.
candy
3 Nov 12 at 12:47 pm
“Theifdog”? “The ‘If’ Dog”?
If…
If…
If…
If the fleas in Alan’s crotch hair were brain cells, he’d be an Einstein.
Like that?
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 12:48 pm
Pretty much.
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 12:49 pm
If it were there’s be enough “thumbs down” clicks on Alan’s posts that we wouldn’t have to read them.
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 12:52 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Jazz hands, everyone!
sdog
3 Nov 12 at 12:53 pm
A Tale of Two Leaders.
Infidel Tiger
3 Nov 12 at 12:53 pm
Dogshit, come and take Unc back to the home.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 12:53 pm
candy – i’m not sure if he has dementia, pre-senile dementia or if he is basically insane. Either way there is something seriously wrong with crazy uncle joe, and this dribbler is 2nd inline if the POTUS dies, sweet cheeses on a stick that is frightening.
Carpe Jugulum
3 Nov 12 at 12:57 pm
Mark Steyn:
RTWT
Infidel Tiger
3 Nov 12 at 12:57 pm
Interesting interview with Alexander Downer this morning along with Alan Fells conducted by Geraldine Doogue on Radio National this morning. Very impressed with Alex. Well worth a listen to.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 1:02 pm
My cat has four paws. Can she stay?
nilk
3 Nov 12 at 1:05 pm
Quality stuff Thiefdog, should help you out in Long Bay where you belong.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 1:07 pm
I think this Thread Overview on youtube makes for better amusement than the trolls around here.
Rudiau
3 Nov 12 at 1:07 pm
Dear dear alan – try harder, your efforts so far are a bit pedestrian.
Carpe Jugulum
3 Nov 12 at 1:10 pm
I would! That would be something awesome!
nilk
3 Nov 12 at 1:13 pm
Quite. Compare today’s thread to that of one from 2009.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 1:14 pm
Potemkin’s Village
Crimes lead one into another… here
Grigory Potemkin
3 Nov 12 at 1:15 pm
I’d say there was a marked improvement, the invective has become more concise.
Still the same old rudeness.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 1:19 pm
WOW, just WOW.
Carpe Jugulum
3 Nov 12 at 1:20 pm
This is an original approach. Promise them nothing, give them less.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 1:27 pm
Obama’a invocation of revenge is the perfect arc for his manufactured story. They say the truth always comes out in the end. And the truth is revenge was always his actuating principle and existential motivation. He hates America. Always did.
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 1:28 pm
Homer and rog. Good times!
Infidel Tiger
3 Nov 12 at 1:31 pm
It is, actually.
If he means it, my estimation of him just went up five notches.
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 1:31 pm
Trying to buy an election failed last time when he overbid for Oakshott, Windsor and unlucky last one billion dollars for Mr. Wilke. “I would give anything, I would sell my posterior for the PM’s job”. Reference? a very honest Tony Windsor.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 1:32 pm
I missed this the other day. Stacey Dash, who copped flak a while back for supporting Romney on twitter, doubled down earlier this week by posting a photo of herself with Ryan.
Naturally, the abuse started afresh.
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 1:35 pm
Yeah, that’s it, Einstein – Oakeshott and Windsor rejected Abbott because he offered them too much.
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 1:37 pm
Tony Abboot would have bought the Independents if he could, and then dropped them like hot potatoes when he got what he wanted. Reference? A very honest Bronwyn Bishop.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 1:39 pm
No idiot, he is a libertarian, he just wastes too much energy placating cardigan wearing bedwetters such as yourself with politeness.
His point of view on AGW and Sandy is 100% correct.
You are an innumerate old fool, shut up.
.
3 Nov 12 at 1:41 pm
Alan – well done on mastering blockquote.
Tomorrow we’ll teach you how to take your trousers off before abluting.
Infidel Tiger
3 Nov 12 at 1:43 pm
You’re still a fuckwit.
.
3 Nov 12 at 1:43 pm
That’s very good FLEASY, picking up on what Thiefdog said. Be careful the coppers don’t get you for assisting after the committing of a crime.And of course associating with a known criminal.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 1:44 pm
Thank you Tiggy. I think you are confusing me with Hesus who had a forced purchase of Levis during his Sandy experience.
And Dorothy, proving my point about the same old rudeness.
Now can we get back to more relevant matters?
alan
3 Nov 12 at 1:47 pm
Clinton: I may be the only person in America, but I’m more excited about Obama this time
JamesK
3 Nov 12 at 1:48 pm
This brain damaged arsehole has to be Bob Ellis.
.
3 Nov 12 at 1:53 pm
DS
This on Paw Paw research
http://www.pawpawresearch.com/pawpaw-trials1.pdf
Judgment please.
.
3 Nov 12 at 1:53 pm
With the imminent start of our cricket summer ( and yet another book about S.K.Warne ), Shane Warne was an off-field disgrace to the game.
As opposed to Glenn McGrath who is an off-field asset to humanity and far superior on-field with cricket ball.
(someone had to say it)
jumpnmcar
3 Nov 12 at 1:56 pm
Dorothy I posted this earlier. I am re-posting it so that the slower of those amongst you, who may at a stretch be able to identify themselves, can have another go at getting on with the job, which is discussing the nature of the Universe.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 2:00 pm
Um, what happened?
.
3 Nov 12 at 2:00 pm
Alan,
Stop having a fucking whinge. If you want to wear a crown of thorns, we’ll crucify you.
.
3 Nov 12 at 2:02 pm
Biden: ‘I’m outta here.’
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 2:02 pm
O.K Dorothy I’ll be in it.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 2:03 pm
Higher sea levels are problematic are this latest NASA Report shows systemic problems with the satellites leading to over estimation of sea level rise; slide 3 is the relevant one.
On the surface sea level rise is measured by altimeters; steve links to the Sks site which has in turn linked to the global altimeter site, PSMSL, which covers hundreds of sites.
These sites include New York where Sandy came to shore.
There is no doubt this region has featured some atypical sea level rise; it is interesting that on the West Coast sea level has been falling at some sites such as around San Francisco from 1980 onwards [see Port Reyes].
This effect where some parts experience higher than average rises and others lower is a product of the eustatic properties of the oceans; over a period of time the movements in the water will cause peaks in parts of the world and correlative declines in others; this is not a tidal phenomenon and is demonstrated in a comparison between sea levels in Holland and New York; the effect is noticeable with deviations in the linear trend between Holland and New York being almost opposite.
This has been going on a long time before AGW was a twinkle in Gore’s eye.
Overall sea level rise has been measured by Houston and Dean’s 2011 papers.
The other point raised by steve is rapidly increasing sea surface temperatures around New York prior to Sandy; globally SSTs have been falling since 2003.
This decline in SST has been marked and completely contradicts AGW; that there are regions where SST is stable or slightly increasing is not exceptional and contributed nothing to Sandy.
cohenite
3 Nov 12 at 2:08 pm
Too many links, try again.
Higher sea levels are problematic are this latest NASA Report shows systemic problems with the satellites leading to over estimation of sea level rise; slide 3 is the relevant one.
On the surface sea level rise is measured by altimeters; steve links to the Sks site which has in turn linked to the global altimeter site, PSMSL, which covers hundreds of sites.
These sites include New York where Sandy came to shore.
There is no doubt this region has featured some atypical sea level rise; it is interesting that on the West Coast sea level has been falling at some sites such as around San Francisco from 1980 onwards [see Port Reyes].
This effect where some parts experience higher than average rises and others lower is a product of the eustatic properties of the oceans; over a period of time the movements in the water will cause peaks in parts of the world and correlative declines in others; this is not a tidal phenomenon and is demonstrated in a comparison between sea levels in Holland and New York; the effect is noticeable with deviations in the linear trend between Holland and New York being almost opposite.
This has been going on a long time before AGW was a twinkle in Gore’s eye.
Overall sea level rise has been measured by Houston and Dean’s 2011 papers.
The other point raised by steve is rapidly increasing sea surface temperatures around New York prior to Sandy; globally SSTs have been falling since 2003.
This decline in SST has been marked and completely contradicts AGW; that there are regions where SST is stable or slightly increasing is not exceptional and contributed nothing to Sandy.
cohenite
3 Nov 12 at 2:09 pm
these new trolls say:
It’s instructive how these trolls come here and make every thread about themselves. Their over-inflated self-importance belies their abilities. What’s that phrase..oh yea…”his ego writes cheques his intelligence can’t cash”.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 2:10 pm
The above comment is a response to steve who along with the rest of the AGW ghouls is using cyclone Sandy to prove AGW.
The missing link to the PSMSL sea level site, which is very useful is here:
http://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/
cohenite
3 Nov 12 at 2:11 pm
Alan, you seem to want to get into political arguments, but the 2010 post-election negotiations are weak ground… and since it got thrashed over on this blog extensively at the time, old ground for us.
It’s subsequently become clear that Gillard massively outbid Abbott and overpromised behind closed doors, including among other things, the carbon tax. It’s also clear that the independents, particularly Windsor, despise Abbott and would never have done a deal anyway.
But these facts have emerged subsequently and slowly, and wont’ be found in commentary that was written at the time.
Here’tip for your next attempt at arguing politics with us: try to pick something current, or something ‘big picture.’ Political battles of the past are kind of dull.
dd
3 Nov 12 at 2:25 pm
Gab, when Dogshit’s Uncle gained a reprive from The Almighty, he correctly assumed he had been given permission to behave like an arsehole and to troll everyone who uses the site.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 2:30 pm
So that’s about a hundred and fifty comments on Alan and Steve.
And you wonder why they persist.
C.L.
3 Nov 12 at 2:31 pm
C.L.,
I’m a changed man.
.
3 Nov 12 at 2:33 pm
Judgment please.
The reference list only goes up to the year 2000. One of my heuristics is that if something is promising they’ll keeping looking at it. My “10 year rule” is applied because so much research is found to wrong over time. I do look past that time frame but not very often. The research really does move that quickly. Good times.
Nonetheless given this stuff is perfectly safe I’d try it. This is where oncology is too narrowly focused at times. If a patient is terminal let them decide. BTW, from what I gather the “official” oncology approach is too narrow but people have told me that their oncologists do express interest, they probably don’t express that professionally for fear of ridicule.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 2:34 pm
Good advice dd. Point taken.
alan
3 Nov 12 at 2:39 pm
Reminds me of those Japanese soldiers who staggered out of the woods blinking not realising the war is long over.
Viva
3 Nov 12 at 2:43 pm
I think alan’s actually here for a political argument. I’m prepared to oblige.
dd
3 Nov 12 at 2:44 pm
Reminds me of those Japanese soldiers who staggered out of the woods blinking not realising the war is long over.
Viva
3 Nov 12 at 2:45 pm
DS
I go the other way as well. If someone doesn’t use old references, then there is actually no point to a literature review. I am suspicious that they don’t understand the theory at all and are looking for easy answers. I am suspicious they don’t understand the evolution of a model or heuristics etc. They are just jerking off the editors who have recently published some A* crap.
Of course, my research has had up to date stuff in it right to the current year.
.
3 Nov 12 at 2:46 pm
Nobody talks like that. Not even Obama fans talk like that about Obama in 2012, which is why it’s not to be taken at face value. This sounds like a message intended for the ears of Hollywood insiders, rather than to actually affect anyone’s vote.
dd
3 Nov 12 at 2:50 pm
150 comments!!!
So, C.L., do you recognise that the threads are polluted not by trolls but rather more by mindless invective and bullying?
Will
3 Nov 12 at 2:52 pm
You evidently don’t like this site so you thought you’d come and troll. Fuck off back to the ABC, you fucking tax thief.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 2:56 pm
Just thought I’d mention I’ve also nailed my colours to the mast and joined the conga line of Cat readers placing a bet on Romney to win. $200. I’ve got a good feeling about it.
(Actually I’m veering back and forth between horror at my actions and a desire to double the bet. And totally hoping my wife doesn’t find out about it…)
Tim
3 Nov 12 at 2:58 pm
mindless invective and bullying
You need to do what I did here long ago. I used to cop crap all the time so I played some games and it largely receded. It’s a fiery place so you have to develop strategies to put out the fires otherwise you’ll get burned. Still, I occasionally fed up with the tone of the place and so piss off for a while. I’m back, suck it up Cats.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 3:00 pm
All the confirmation needed.
I suggest you get a life outside of petty adolescent abuse on the internet.
Will
3 Nov 12 at 3:00 pm
Tab.com.au has just flipped out half a point to $4.25 so I’m signing up to win $1700 on top of the $500 collect I’ve already bet after the Derby at Flemington.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 3:03 pm
Will
Why martyr yourself? It’s unedifying. Deru kagi utareru. The protruding nail gets hammered down. Don’t go up on the cross. We’re not tradesmen, largely. The only tool we can use is a hammer.
You’re right though. We should ignore Shitfer rather than waste a day of reasoning with the lunkhead and then blow a gasket for a week.
.
3 Nov 12 at 3:04 pm
Which part of the public service do you work in, Will, or are you on the dole? Off you go. Start lying.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 3:05 pm
You’re right. He’d been “falsely accused” of supporting team Romney. Being “outed” like that can ruin you in Hollywood. So he had to show how devoted he was to the one. It’s really quite tragic.
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 3:06 pm
I find this post by Will elsewhere to be rather odd. “Conjure up” profits? This after you basically said HB Bear was anti business!? At best this was a poor choice of words.
.
3 Nov 12 at 3:08 pm
Go you good thing, Mittens! Best value of the spring carnival.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 3:11 pm
Hey Tim, you want to double that bet? Check out the odds over on “what the Pres did today” conversation. You can’t do better.
Mad Punter
3 Nov 12 at 3:13 pm
Dot, holding up a mirror to others does not make me feel a martyr.
Ridicule for SoB is justified, but mindless puerile abuse? There was, believe it or not, once and only once that I thought SoB was correct. Yet he still was given the schoolyard bullying treatment. This doesn’t say much for the maturity of some of the contributors here.
SoB makes his point without personal denigration. I doubt that he will ever change his views, but to respond with invective lowers the tone of the debate to the level of university politics.
Will
3 Nov 12 at 3:13 pm
Dot, Enron was recognising unrealised gains on long term contracts in the current year, as one method of boosting profits.
Not sure where Bear fits in.
Will
3 Nov 12 at 3:16 pm
No.
Explain your “conjure up profits” comment.
.
3 Nov 12 at 3:17 pm
Need someone to hate, Tom?
Will
3 Nov 12 at 3:18 pm
You actually support this as a “pro market” initiative?
.
3 Nov 12 at 3:19 pm
Dot, Enron was recognising unrealised gains on long term contracts in the current year, as one method of boosting profits.
Will
3 Nov 12 at 3:19 pm
Fuck off, not to me he doesn’t.
Anyway every parrotted piece of pro-AGW shit he writes is a personal affront to common sense.
You don’t have to swear to be grossly and obscenely insulting.
cohenite
3 Nov 12 at 3:20 pm
There are methods of recognising revenue before actual receipt or capitalising expenses, all to boost current year profits, increase shareholder value, and keep shareholders happy.
Will
3 Nov 12 at 3:21 pm
Let me guess, Will: you vote Greens, think CO2 drives temperature and consider Finkelstein is necessary.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 3:22 pm
…again
You actually support this as a “pro market” initiative, from a “pro market” perspective?
.
3 Nov 12 at 3:22 pm
Cohenite, settle down. What SoB writes is actually believed by a large number of people who get their news from the TV or other MSM. There are no counter arguments, except for the occasional article in The Australian.
Telling people that they are stupid just because they parrot popular drivel and lies does help. Any random visitor would prefer to see empirical evidence and counter argument. And yes I know it must get frustrating to keep repeating what the science really says.
Will
3 Nov 12 at 3:27 pm
never said I did
just describing how the world works, in part
Will
3 Nov 12 at 3:29 pm
Tom, you really have a problem.
Will
3 Nov 12 at 3:30 pm
So be it? It sounds supportive, and at best fatalist.
The point on the other thread was that fraud/price manipulation was caused by regulation that ceased equity gifting as a form of remuneration.
.
3 Nov 12 at 3:34 pm
AND who have their heads up their arse.
cohenite
3 Nov 12 at 3:40 pm
Anyway every parrotted piece of pro-AGW shit he writes is a personal affront to common sense.
Science is an affront to common sense.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 3:42 pm
Someone’s been on the turps; what the fuck does that mean?
cohenite
3 Nov 12 at 3:47 pm
He means that common sense is a poor guide to judging whether something is scientifically accurate, not least because science often overturns common-sense understanding of the world.
dd
3 Nov 12 at 3:49 pm
Someone’s been on the turps; what the fuck does that mean?
Sheesh, I refer you to the instructive work: “Uncommon Sense: The Heretical Nature of Science.” by Alam Cromer. Dated now but instructive. Common sense is just a set of assumptions drawn from our culture and perceptions. Faith in common sense presupposes we are logic machines. No Spocks! Obviously then if we are to learn anything new common sense is going to be challenged because reputed studies have shown that cultural beliefs and perceptions are poor guides to understanding the world writ large.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 3:54 pm
That’s right, Cohenite. DS had to challenge his cultural assumptions in order to believe in CAGW.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 3:58 pm
More lies from the warmies. Our taxes at work.
Looks like half a degree of warming over 50 years with a plateau in recent years. No wonder they have to put up a false and misleading figures.
No wonder the issue was off the radar in the US election.
Rafe Champion
3 Nov 12 at 3:58 pm
OK; I thought you might be angling towards the quantum mechanic counterintuitive paradoxes.
Someone once said that that science is the record of dead religions.
That is so because science seeks to understand the way things work and to do that in a way which can be measured and replicated, or at least modelled.
I don’t agree with this:
Common sense is often a valuable guide to what is practical, possible and not dangerous; it is so because prior exercise of it has been useful; that is, it works.
In that respect commonsense is not about being a “logic machine” but following a path or procedure which has been shown to work.
That is why customs develope; they work.
However too much commonsense can be oppressive if it becomes misonewistic; it is a balance.
Anyway, as Thomas Huxley said, “Science is simply common sense at its best.”
cohenite
3 Nov 12 at 4:09 pm
Will, can you go over and help Stevieliar QC clean the toilets?
Tiny Dancer
3 Nov 12 at 4:15 pm
Exactly, Cohenite. I should have used the sarc tag earlier. CAGW is anti-intuitive nonsense.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 4:16 pm
A lot of good economics is counter intuitive, if you are not shown the reasoning, step by step.
.
3 Nov 12 at 4:17 pm
You’re right, Dot. Understanding money requires more brain hurt than any other discipline.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 4:22 pm
cohenite, nice post above throwing a few unwelcome facts in the way of the CAGW crowd. However, probably pearls before swine.
Buried way above was a link to a story about ‘hybrid’ battery powered cars exploding after a storm surge in New Jersey. It’s worth another bump:
http://minx.cc/?post=334534
“Approximately 16 of the $100,000+ Fisker Karma extended-range luxury hybrids were parked in Port Newark, New Jersey last night when water from Hurricane Sandy’s storm surge apparently breached the port and submerged the vehicles. As Jalopnik has exclusively learned, the cars then caught fire and burned to the ground.
Our source tells us they were “first submerged in a storm surge and then caught fire, exploded.” This wouldn’t be the first time the vehicles, which use a small gasoline engine to charge batteries that provide energy to two electric motors, had an issue with sudden combustion.”
Some hilarious comments below the article – worth a read. “Well, what do you expect for only $100,000?”; “Don’t worry – the Semtex seat belts will save you” etc.
More seriously, I gather that US taxpayers have contributed a motza to developing these death traps. Since we are not even allowed to take tiny spare lithium batteries into a plane cabin, who thought that putting a person right next to a big chunk of the stuff was a good idea?
johanna
3 Nov 12 at 4:22 pm
Huxley is wrong. Science creates a common sense but it is not common sense. Science is very often about overturning common sense notions. That’s why revolutionary ideas take so long to become common sense; they are fighting against the prevailing common sense. Great science is often an attack against common sense.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 4:23 pm
I think we are now in some silly syntactic argument about what bloody common-sense is.
.
3 Nov 12 at 4:38 pm
I think common sense isn’t common enough, but it’s true that science isn’t always intuitive. Common sense and intuition aren’t the same thing.
Fleeced
3 Nov 12 at 4:47 pm
Admit it, you’re pissed.
cohenite
3 Nov 12 at 4:53 pm
Admit it, you’re pissed.
Admit it, you lack common sense.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 5:12 pm
Happy to, if common sense is how you define it.
cohenite
3 Nov 12 at 5:20 pm
Hi alan,
It is truly uplifting to discover that you’ve finally slain the block quote dragon.
Kiddies will listen in awe to fireside tales lovingly recounted of your heroic struggles for many centuries onwards, I’m sure.
BTW, any chance of some more shockingly bad poetry, Squire?
You know you want to.
Rabz
3 Nov 12 at 6:01 pm
That’s ambivalent.
Since science is theory conforms with observation most science is indeed common sense.
When observation is beyond the ken of the unaided sense perhaps there may be a examples of the counterintuitive eg the space-time continuum or the undefinability of matter in experiential terms at the sub-atomic level.
But it is still the theory that is primarily counter-intuitive and at that level ‘commonsense’ is sorta irrelevant as it is a rarefied world dealing in a specific abstraction.
If the results of a study don’t comport with ‘commonsense’ then the observational experiment needs to be repeated again and again and if still inexplicable from the old theory paradigm a theory adjustment or new theory needs to be considered.
JamesK
3 Nov 12 at 6:02 pm
[This got eaten by the spaminator so I'm reposting it. Sinc]
Potemkin’s Village
Crimes lead one into another… here
Sinclair Davidson
3 Nov 12 at 6:16 pm
The spaminator’s a bit too touchy, Sinc.
Any chance of adjusting it?
Rabz
3 Nov 12 at 6:28 pm
HEY RABZ!
Check this out. It’s hilarious.
The wahabists are destroying the very fabric of their own
religionconquest ideology.This is getting very, very adverse reviews in Indonesia and Malaysia, where the admirable Malay trading civilisations actually turned islam into a fairly decent religion. Extremist salafist/wahabist own-goals on on so many levels…
Mk50 of Brisbane
3 Nov 12 at 6:39 pm
When observation is beyond the ken of the unaided sense perhaps there may be a examples of the counterintuitive eg the space-time continuum or the undefinability of matter in experiential terms at the sub-atomic level.
Not just there James but also in psychology there are many examples which confound our understanding of human behavior. As DOT pointed out his economic studies were often counter intuitive for him. There are mathematical models which defy the “excluded middle” principle. Psychiatry challenges the old commons sense notions of how to address mental illness and drug addiction. The work of Polly Matzinger overthrew the common sense understanding that arose from the self-nonself model of immunology. Not bad for a former Playboy Bunny! Cantor overthrew the idea that the concept of infinity as a single thing, that infinities come in many sizes. I can’t understand the maths of that of course but it is now widely accepted though it took a few decades for formal acceptance.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 6:49 pm
No Tiny Dancer, I only ever pass through Pinkenba on the way to somewhere else.
Perhaps that can be your job.
Will
3 Nov 12 at 7:00 pm
Peter Hartcher at the SMH says that Obama is “storming home”:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-election/obama-is-storming-home-20121102-28pff.html?rand=1351861464184
It turns out that he is talking about the electoral college, not the actual vote.
johanna
3 Nov 12 at 7:08 pm
Unlikely – we’ve asked about this before.
Sinclair Davidson
3 Nov 12 at 7:17 pm
There are mathematical models which defy the “excluded middle” principle.
For example? I’m curious.
dover_beach
3 Nov 12 at 7:19 pm
Thanks Mark.
Thanks Sinc – keep lobbying, Squire!
Rabz
3 Nov 12 at 7:24 pm
For example? I’m curious.
Yet weird hey DB. Give me some time and I’ll try and find some references for you. Only came across it a few months ago. Will post here later.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 7:38 pm
IT, this is big news. I’ve always liked and respected Warren Mundine despite his ALP affiliations. He always seemed to me to be focussed on achieving good things rather than ideological tribalism. My estimation of him just went up. Likewise, I never thought my opinion of the ALP could get any lower. Looks like I was wrong. Pond scum would be embarrassed to be seen with a Labor MP.
Of course, I expect him to be denounced by leftist Aborigines just like Noel Pearson and the four conservative NT MPs have been…
Skuter
3 Nov 12 at 7:48 pm
Re Grigory’s latest…
Chris Uhlmann seems to have been sidelined by “Our” ABC. The number of hard hitting relatively non-partisan interviews he was renowned for has evaporated.
Cold-Hands
3 Nov 12 at 7:59 pm
Commonsense is both a method and a state of functionality; it doesn’t preclude knowledge of contradictions which may inform the commonsense perspective but neither does it depend on them; take the computer user who may or may not know of the QM weirdness which is intrinsic to the computer’s functioning.
Cantor is also not a good example of justifying a difference between commonsense and some other exotic reality; after all your average teenager will be aware of a continuum between the infinitely large and the infinitesimal; and what kid has not played some form of infinity plus one?
The key is function and utility; commonsense provides that; as evolution occurs the apparent contradictions either become consistent with that or become one hand clapping in the forest.
cohenite
3 Nov 12 at 8:01 pm
Thanks for that Peter Harcher link Johanna (and the stuff you post here in general). In my opinion, Harcher is quite deluded, like most leftwing ideologues, essentially because he is saying the US election is not about jobs and the economy, but about “fairness” (the same whiny economic poison that created Fair Work Australia). For Obama to win on the Electoral College gerrymander when Romney wins the popular vote requires a difference in the popular vote of 1% or less, according to good judges. Harcher says “Obama” is surging and there’s something in that as he is milking the storm and incumbency for every vote. But in the crucial swing state polls, Romney is still braining Obama and has had all the momentum in the past month, even though Obama is back square in national polls. Almost all the “other/independent” voters will break for Romney. I’ve already bet big by my standards. Now it’s popcorn time.
Tom
3 Nov 12 at 8:05 pm
Sorry if someone has posted this previously – did you happen to see the handbag hit squad article in the Aus today??
Talk about gross – These people are fucking bogans.
Dianne
3 Nov 12 at 8:08 pm
The old bait and switch. I would like to get someone who is a lefty to explain how the Children of the Corn Obama ad equates to “Fairness”.
How about the advert with swearing old people who are not who they say they are equates to “Fairness”?
Token
3 Nov 12 at 8:47 pm
Not happy, Laz!
7 – 2.
Rabz
3 Nov 12 at 9:02 pm
Just read the first part of the Australian.
There was an article on a bunch of evil bogan harpies in it. Amazing, really. Of all their ‘dream jobs’ only Kate Lundy’s did not involve handing out other people’s money, criticising productive work or being a parasite on the taxpayer.
Mk50 of Brisbane
3 Nov 12 at 9:15 pm
That dopey bint who runs Marie Claire is a leftist stooge.
The only honest one there is the usually trollish robotic liar, Wong.
.
3 Nov 12 at 9:26 pm
So what happened a month ago then?
nilk
3 Nov 12 at 9:32 pm
nilk, given the longish lead times in magazine publishing, I expect the Red Dalek was laying the groundwork for a Q1 2013 election.
Cold-Hands
3 Nov 12 at 9:35 pm
Well said, Bozza.
Disgraceful doesn’t even come close.
Rabz
3 Nov 12 at 9:36 pm
To be more explicit, a month ago the kakistocrats in Cabinet realised that Swannie wasn’t going to deliver his long promised surplus, so contingency planning for an election early next year went into overdrive.
Cold-Hands
3 Nov 12 at 9:37 pm
When did Tony Abbott’s wife have her say again? That would have put the wind up them, also, so they’d have to get into the women’s mags to try and counteract her, too.
(*disclaimer. I used to be such a devotee of Marie Claire I had the first 10 years of issues. I lugged them around for years, but it got to the stage where the interesting articles became fewer and fewer, and the advertising took over along with the leftarded outlook. So I dumped them finally a couple of years back.)
nilk
3 Nov 12 at 9:42 pm
“Nobody can tell what I suffer! But it is always so. Those who do not complain are never pitied.”
― Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
No wonder she went off like a whirling Dervish with her misogyny rant. It was pity she was seeking.
Splatacrobat
3 Nov 12 at 9:42 pm
Another Jane Austin quote Julia must hold dear:
“Follies and nonsense, whims and inconsistencies do divert me, I own, and I laugh at them whenever I can.”
― Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice
Splatacrobat
3 Nov 12 at 9:51 pm
Dover Beach,
I do not think the “excluded middle” is wrong but rather it is not a universal principle that cover all instances. What I think about this doesn’t matter, too ignorant.
There are now attempts to construct mathematics via category theory which clearly allows for an exclusion of the excluded middle. Additionally there are instances in mathematics where the excluded middle fails.
I mentioned it because two days ago I read:
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“Even though we rarely use the term, it will become clear that many of the problems associated with vagueness are actually caused by higher-order vagueness.”
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paradox … And because it is a challenge to a mathematical approach to reasoning, known as classical logic, our story will require a modest amount of mathematical symbolism.
not exactly: In Praise of Vagueness, Kees Van Deemter
I doubt this book will help you though the biblio might.
http://tlvp.net/~fej.math.wes/SIPR_AMS-IndiaDoc-MSIE.htm
Pierre Cartier, “A Mad Day’s Work,” Bulletin of the American Mathematical Society 38, No. 4, 2001, p. 393
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9910005
This bloke is a leader in the field which is very new. Like so many mathematicians he has some strange ideas and now lives completely alone somewhere in the Pyrenees.
Mathematicians are very often strange characters, both brilliant and stupid.
Topoi: The Categorial Analysis of Logic, by Robert Goldblatt, Dover, 1979.
You need to look for “category theory” as being explored for a new foundation for mathematics contra set theory.
http://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/excluded+middle
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 9:52 pm
“Tony Jones or Kerry O’Brien?”
Why not something really incisive like, say, Stalin or Lenin?
nilk
3 Nov 12 at 9:54 pm
Ah, the efficacy of CCTV’s in the arena of crime prevention.
If the alleged victims didn’t come forward 2 months ago, why would they do so now?
All the CCTVs in the world didn’t save Jill Meagher, they haven’t saved a lot of people. They don’t prevent crime.
They will obviously help the police find something to do months down the track, though, so I guess we really do need more.
nilk
3 Nov 12 at 9:58 pm
Nilk this is like saying that life sentences/capital punishment doesn’t prevent murder because there are still murderers.
There is a marginal deterrence effect and no crime can ever be stamped out entirely without infinite costs.
.
3 Nov 12 at 10:01 pm
“Tony Jones or Kerry O’Brien?”
In Wong’s case, Michelle Gratten or Fran Kelly?
Splatacrobat
3 Nov 12 at 10:03 pm
Nilk – two cases in a city of four million. That’s not convincing.
.
3 Nov 12 at 10:09 pm
To a degree, Dot, but there comes a time when you can actually have too many surveillance cameras.
I’m tired of looking over my shoulder, and I’m tired of the nanny state that is Victoriastan.
That news snippet just sort of did it for me today. So 2 months ago one fellow smacked out some others on a train then jumped off. Nothing appears to have been reported, no complaints appear to have been made, and now it’s on the bloody radio that the police are looking for him.
Seriously, don’t our police have better things to do?
nilk
3 Nov 12 at 10:09 pm
Nilk the mongrel is off the street and it wont happen again at his hands…
max49
3 Nov 12 at 10:23 pm
As Mother Rococo always said: Sense is never common, it is always upper class.
Rococo Liberal
3 Nov 12 at 10:42 pm
Good to see Carr has found he’s right at home in federal labor. Took him no time at all to find himself a comfortable pair of slippers that fitted just right.
What a disgusting attack
duncan
3 Nov 12 at 10:42 pm
I know, Max, and that’s a Good Thing.
nilk
3 Nov 12 at 10:44 pm
He was no different as Premier of NSW, his record was white-washed by a worshipful media. Kroger is correct to bring up the way Carr acted after Brogan insulted Carr’s wife. I think the Libs should now go medieval over the travel claims for Carr’s wife.
Token
3 Nov 12 at 10:54 pm
But Nilk it was down to cctv..that is the point I was trying to make rather clumsily..
max49
3 Nov 12 at 10:56 pm
Also known as “pitchfork crazy”.
.
3 Nov 12 at 11:10 pm
Haven’t been around for a few days. Ummm?
Lazlo
3 Nov 12 at 11:12 pm
Sincs can you please release from comment. It has a number of links for Dover Beach.
Dead Soul
3 Nov 12 at 11:16 pm
Michael Kroger doesn’t mince his words- Carr is a “coward” and a “grub”. As he says, Bernardi was forced to resign for less. However, as this kakistocracy has no shame, I expect that Carr will rely on Coward’s Castle and try and ride it out.
Cold-Hands
3 Nov 12 at 11:25 pm
Carr is a pompous fucking idiot. In previous times a Colonel Blimp character.
Now however the stenographers love him.
Lazlo
3 Nov 12 at 11:44 pm
He’s back! Touring Australia!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
.
3 Nov 12 at 11:45 pm
What a lying cow. Absolutely evidence-free tosh. They sung this tune for so long they actually believe their own bulldust. Karma, Macklin et al, karma.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 11:53 pm
in which case I see a GST increase in our future.
Gab
3 Nov 12 at 11:54 pm
Skip to 0.21.
I will get loaded and play this over and over again when Gillard gets voted out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2W0QZFguDE
.
3 Nov 12 at 11:55 pm
There will be no increase to the GST under a Government I lead. Moving forward…
.
3 Nov 12 at 11:56 pm
Dred Scott? “Yes, a great decision!” enthuses Carr.
On national fucking TV.
sdog
4 Nov 12 at 12:06 am
28 newspapers that endorsed Obama now endorse Romney.
Hope ‘n change.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 12:11 am
Do you ever sleep Gab…lol
max49
4 Nov 12 at 12:12 am
Sleep? I’m just about to go out!
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 12:14 am
In which case I see a “good luck with that” scenario…
Rabz
4 Nov 12 at 12:16 am
Gab I bow to a superior human being…
max49
4 Nov 12 at 12:25 am
in which case I see a GST increase in our future.
To get 5 states ,1 territory and a basket case to agree to that will be beyond human endurance..
max49
4 Nov 12 at 12:31 am
20,000-30,000 Turn Out to See Romney-Ryan in Ohio …(Obama Draws Crowds Less than 4,000)
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 12:34 am
Gab, did you see how the lapdog media tried to lowball that figure for the Ohio rally, then try to claim the “energy level” and “enthusiasm” among attendees was “low”?
This is what desperation looks like: #LosingBadly
sdog
4 Nov 12 at 12:45 am
Actually if those figures are correct you would have to think a new president will be in place next week.Lose Ohio..lose the election..
max49
4 Nov 12 at 12:50 am
Dot you idiot
You just have to let your ideology get in the way of the evidence and facts every time dont you?.
With this re the Enron debacle
“The point on the other thread was that fraud/price manipulation was caused by regulation that ceased equity gifting as a form of remuneration.”
It was because the givernment stopped regulating energy that caused this fuck up. Not the regulation, but the lack of it.
Economics doesnt need with doctors and ideologues like you. I had my own problems with your evidence gathering shortcomings. Now I can see you are just a bloody mad biased fool.
Alice
4 Nov 12 at 12:50 am
No, you are an idiot Alice. That is a separate issue.
The wholesale price was floating, the retail price was effectively fixed and the CA State Government had practically banned the building of new powerplants.
Of course, you are so stupid you equate an energy crisis to actual accounting fraud.
You dullard.
.
4 Nov 12 at 12:55 am
I watched the video of that Romney rally in Westchester OH (just north of Cincinatti) in full. It was a rock concert.
Who do you think the BBC sent to it? A woman (Bridget Kendall, “diplomatic correspondent”), who concluded the crowd wanted to get rid of Obama more than elect Romney and wanted to return America to a past led by white men. It was calculated propaganda reinterpreted by the zombie hive mind; not a single person who was there would know she was at the same rally.
Tom
4 Nov 12 at 2:17 am
I’m hoping Romney wins, there is no doubt he would be more capable on economic issues (and probably all issues) than Obama has been
A couple of Aust Labor voters asked me today who I prefer and then expressed disquiet about Romney’s far right affiliations
Don’t know much about the Tea Party but sure seems to have Labor voters concerned
val majkus
4 Nov 12 at 3:27 am
Is anyone watching this sad fuck Obama on on ABC24? Probably not.
He’s truly an embarrassment. Even the BBC dude was moved to say “preaching to the converted”.
Infidel tiger
4 Nov 12 at 3:27 am
Why wouldn’t you want the country to return to the governance of white men when the only non-white president in history has been a Marxist traitor who accumulated more debt than all his white predecessors combined and fucked up the entire country? But why not talk about the most racist demographic in the US: ‘African-Americans.’ They’d vote for Ernie from Sesame Street rather than any Caucasian.
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 3:27 am
No Infidel, how are the polls going?
val majkus
4 Nov 12 at 3:29 am
CL I can think of a white PM and Treasurer who have done that for Australia
val majkus
4 Nov 12 at 3:31 am
Not sure Val. the US is now such a corrupt and broken nation I don’t think you can trust any of its institutions apart from its military. I’m as confused as a blind lesbian eating a snapper pie about this election and the polls are zero help.
The heart says Romney but I fear that the welfare state has made leftism irreversible in the Republic.
Infidel tiger
4 Nov 12 at 3:38 am
Gillard and Swan are not in Obama’s league as a wrecker.
Obama is an epic, historically unprecedented fuck-up.
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 3:41 am
Yes Infidel welfare is addictive;
I’ve just been looking at Pollheadlines and seems to be too close to call
the latest Huffpost has Obama at 47.4 and Romney at 47.2
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2012-general-election-romney-vs-obama
(updated 5 mins ago)
val majkus
4 Nov 12 at 3:47 am
Lay on enough free stuff and you can destroy any democracy. That the US election is even close – when the race is the worst president in history and his mentally deranged deputy versus one of the most qualified and impressive candidates ever and a running-mate who is the most gifted economics thinker in Congress – is a tragedy in itself.
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 3:47 am
That’s true. In US terms Swan’s desire for a surplus would have him labelled an extremist nutcase by not only himself but every member of the Democrats and 90% of Republicans.
The LNP are a pathetic party of inbred losers but we must thank them for making balanced budgets a goal of both parties.
Infidel tiger
4 Nov 12 at 3:48 am
Talking about welfare addiction great speech by Alison Anderson
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/indigenous/my-people-must-grow-up-alison-anderson/story-fn9hm1pm-1226508746330
val majkus
4 Nov 12 at 3:50 am
The Socialist Republic of Victoria leads the way in lapping up Australia’s big government sitdown money:
Tom
4 Nov 12 at 3:52 am
Romney of course has had to battle the left wing media and Abbott is going to have the same battle when the election finally comes round
val majkus
4 Nov 12 at 3:53 am
$30,000! Wow plus so far as I know they get two free child care days
also from Tom’s link
val majkus
4 Nov 12 at 4:01 am
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/obamas_appeal_clueless_entitlement_addicts_and_racists.html#ixzz2BBFKYETc
val majkus
4 Nov 12 at 4:09 am
The question is whether the rabble can survive the first half of next year and a disastrous May budget without its numbers collapsing on the floor of the House of Representatives:
If Labor’s strategy is to keep the electorate on tenterhooks for another 12 months, that merely increases the magnitude of the retribution, in my view.
Tom
4 Nov 12 at 4:19 am
is there a link for that article Tom
I’ve never joined a political party but might just join the Libs this year; certainly going to dig deep for a donation
(but wish Abbott would get rid of that ridiculous RET policy)
val majkus
4 Nov 12 at 4:40 am
*falls out of chair laughing*
omfg, did the unions run out of money or something?
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing: if you drag it out like the NSW and Queensland state elections, the asskicking just becomes bigger.
benson
4 Nov 12 at 6:15 am
Article seems to be here, Val:
Party troops muster for March battle
benson
4 Nov 12 at 6:17 am
thanks Benson
All the Govt ‘big ticket’ items are dreams for the future and unfunded
val majkus
4 Nov 12 at 6:34 am
sdog! Respect!
http://twitchy.com/2012/11/03/givers-snarky-conservatives-delight-in-saying-nice-things-about-obama/
Abu Chowdah
4 Nov 12 at 7:10 am
Michael Smith and Andrew Bolt have both come to the conclusion that Gillard has mislead Parliament.
The question must be asked – will anything come of this, or will the ALP/MSM stick their heads in the sand and ignore it?
A Lurker
4 Nov 12 at 7:35 am
wow..
via that American thinker link, read this.
Food stamps being promoted like tupperware.. I didn’t think the US had sunk that low. It really is another population of welfare leeches being grown under Obama.
duncan
4 Nov 12 at 8:21 am
The latter.
Rabz
4 Nov 12 at 8:38 am
Maybe the Cat community should consider these words with respect to the language they use to describe their opposition.
It was music and courage that brought this country to oppose the bigotry and single minded brutality that existed in the 1960′s. Your right to free speech was won by others, NOT by you. Respect is what is missing. Barrack Obama is probably the most powerful man in the world at the moment.What have you midgets ever done for society other than carp about it. Get off the moral high ground and do something positive for this country.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 8:44 am
Fuck off Alan, you deluded waste of space.
blogstrop
4 Nov 12 at 9:02 am
Here is something that may make a Sunday morning bearable for some and a little bit uncomfortable for others.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 9:06 am
Predictable response from a moral vacuum like you Jockstrap.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 9:10 am
Insiders – ever decreasing number of Panel members to select from!! Cassidy just regurgitates from a roster of 6 or so
Sp predictable it is now a programme that has definitely attained a ‘use-by-date’.
Mike
Mike of Marion
4 Nov 12 at 9:20 am
all the more reason to criticize him. Powerful people should never be immune from scrutiny. Nor should they be immune from criticism or mockery.
It’s true that vitriol can wear thin from over-use, and there’s no point pouring insults and scorn on fellow citizens who happen to vote differently to you.
On the other hand, can’t speak for anyone else but personally, I don’t have an “opposition.”
dd
4 Nov 12 at 9:25 am
Insiders have a knack of homing right in on Abbott’s troubles and gliding past Labor, but even so, Insiders have a good point.
How come Abbott doesn’t support wheat deregulation?
dd
4 Nov 12 at 9:31 am
ffs Insiders are talking about Abbott again.
I’m starting to wonder if they don’t talk about Gillard because they secretly don’t like her.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 9:39 am
You’re a brave man, Dave, to volunteer to watch this morning’s government instructional video. Thankfully, TVN’s Racing Review started at 9.30.
Tom
4 Nov 12 at 10:08 am
Liberty quote, Sinclair.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 10:17 am
Tom, it wasn’t too bad today.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 10:27 am
Was dealing with some work matters. Missed the start of Insiders but hey, it’s only Insiders. Turned Insiders on 16 minutes in.
Saw that Leatherface on his kneepads with his face deeply buried in Pwongs crotch while she called new taxes savings and warbled about how there’s ‘gunnabeHUUUUGEsurpluses’.
Turned Insiders off.
Mk50 of Brisbane
4 Nov 12 at 10:32 am
Grow up, MK50.
steve from brisbane
4 Nov 12 at 10:36 am
Fuck off, Dogshit.
Tom
4 Nov 12 at 10:40 am
Thanks to Andrew Bolt, he has summarised today’s Insiders topics. Try not to dry retch at the bias.
Splatacrobat
4 Nov 12 at 10:43 am
Wash the dishes Stevieliar QC
Tiny Dancer
4 Nov 12 at 10:44 am
Alan is a creep. But here is a hint for extra positivity apart from the amazingly positive comments that abound on the Cat about Labor derangement:
1. Join if you want to and help the Libs fight
2. Be a supporter even if not a Lib Party member. Arrange to be there with a bright smile and hand out How-to-Votes on Election Day itself. So many people make up their mind at the last minute. Your smile may count.
I am not a Lib Party member but will do anything I can to help on The Day (not a joiner since I left Labor behind at University some years ago). Is there any system to get registered as a helper, and how do they avoid deliberately ‘unhelpful’ people (like trolls) getting in on the act in an attempt to cruel it?
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
4 Nov 12 at 10:47 am
Skuter, the Liberal Party should now offer him a seat, preferably Wayne Swan’s
Will
4 Nov 12 at 10:48 am
I disagree.
It was as it usually is: bad.
It wasn’t as bad as it has been on some occasions but that’s not saying much.
JamesK
4 Nov 12 at 11:01 am
The Labor Party is very afraid of the Tea Party, a grass roots movement of formerly rusted Democrat voters from all social classes and races who left the Democrat Party.
Think about it, those are the centre right voters who voted for the party of the left based upon tradition. Labor is extremely afraid of a similar uprising while the Greens are stealing away the far left of the party.
All they will have left is the corrupt and trade union members (usually the same people).
Watch to see the Love Media continue to demonise and misrepresent the Tea Party. They know what the stakes are…
Token
4 Nov 12 at 11:04 am
You can help out on an individual’s campaign without being a member of the party. But they might view you with understandable suspicion if you turn up out of nowhere, previously unheard of, and offer to ‘help’.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 11:05 am
Lizzie, I take that back. If you want to help a candidate, just call them up and offer to help, and see what happens.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 11:06 am
Notice how Alice still contends she went to an Australian university in the 1980s to study economics and came “eleventh out of 3000 graduating students from that faculty” even though no Australian university has ever had a single year of 3000 graduates from a commerce faculty, total PG and UG students combined?
What a fucking fruit loop.
.
4 Nov 12 at 11:07 am
dd, sounds as though contacting them now, getting on their mailing list, and keeping in contact and going to a few fundraisers, would all be useful things to do now, in readiness for any election that might be called sooner rather than later. I will try that.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
4 Nov 12 at 11:12 am
Which country are you talking about, and how does it relate protest era music to the views of wannabe censor, Roy Finklestein?
Alan – your post is seriously mixed up.
Now again, the song I am going to play over and over again when I’m drunk off my arse the night Gillard loses the election
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2W0QZFguDE
or maybe this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjiOtouyBOg
.
4 Nov 12 at 11:14 am
LOL.
No, it was the Republican Party. They’re the ones that ensured the passage of the Civil Rights Act. The Democrats and their terrorist wing, the KKK, opposed it.
In Australia, the White Australia Policy and the 1967 referendum were, respectively, abolished and instigated by the Liberal Party.
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 11:19 am
Yes, the most critical issue we are facing at the moment, why don’t we all condemn Abbott and abandon the Coalition because he has to compromise with the agrarian socialists in the national party?
Turnbull took that approach and as a result when he went down the AGW blind ally he was not listening when the Nationals told him what he needed, not wanted, to hear.
Token
4 Nov 12 at 11:21 am
My tart comment above is due to the fact I know that if Abbott followed the advice, the Insiders Labor shills will take a second to back the regressive policies that support the Wheat Board to gain political advantage for the ALP.
Token
4 Nov 12 at 11:23 am
Between 2007 and 2010, the ALP gradually became the party of the radical left. That was simply confirmed with the seamless transition to the alliance with the Greens after the 2010 election.
Labor isn’t going to pretend nothing happened after the next election. It will still be a party of the extreme left competing for voters with the Greens.
The Liberals will dominate but the centre of politics is likely to fracture into the dominant Coalition and then more splinter group on the centre-right for the 2016 election.
Labor will be lucky to win more than 30 seats in 2013 with the Coalition controlling up to 120 in the 150-seat House.
Tom
4 Nov 12 at 11:25 am
“the worst president in history”
You say that so often it’s lost all meaning
Besides, you’ve still never said how you came to that conclusion. What is your basis of comparison? Sometimes you mention bad things Obama’s done, but that’s not comparing. A few comments up you do mention this:
“accumulated more debt than all his white predecessors combined”
That’s a kind of comparison, but unfortunately not true. It’s not even close. It also completely ignores the fact that Obama started his presidency during a severe financial and economic crisis. And that’s leaving aside the role Congress plays.
So what exactly is your measure of comparison? This guy thinks Obama is the greatest president since FDR. He’s obviously a bit of a loon, but at least he tries to tell us how he came to that conclusion by making objective comparisons, instead of just relying on listing things he agrees with. For example:
Jarrah
4 Nov 12 at 11:27 am
So of course the ALPBC reports only 18,000 at the rally…
Cold-Hands
4 Nov 12 at 11:29 am
does not accord with:
It seems to me the ABC Sunday at the Labor Club deserves a bloody good kick in the nuts rather than an “Aw shucks, they were alright, really.”
In conversation on Friday I made passing comment about the vile slag squatting in The Lodge and a mate asked “But will Tony Abbott be any better?” He’s a migrant from just east of the Broadwater (from where they have the most exceptional rugby, but nothing else) and he had absolutely no knowledge of Abbott’s pedigree – a classic common apathy.
He’d hear “it wasn’t too bad” and assume that is accurate.
My view is we have too dire a situation in Australia to not point out, at every opportunity, in the most positive terms just how the destruction is crafted by all the Labor camp followers.
Mick Gold Coast QLD
4 Nov 12 at 11:30 am
Well no, not until you pointed it out to me, Spot. I’m not surprised, in any case. Far be it from the sycophantic media to report the facts.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 11:33 am
There is a responsibility that comes with education and privilege. The careless use of language and lack of respect for other people is very damaging to oneself.
An observer of this blog would see crude language and misdirected invective as what would have been called
“Common” in the days, when education was not given as a right. Anybody under the age of 40 would not know what a “Hard Time” is. Most of you would have a house and a car or two, a mobile phone, a computer kids in school until 12th grade.This was brought to you by the Union Movement of Australia without whom you would still be wiping your rightist fundement with the Daily Telegraph.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 11:36 am
No. It is because of economic growth.
The union movement steals money from janitors to give to pock marked shoe ins to spend at whorehouses.
.
4 Nov 12 at 11:40 am
You refer to someone who thinks the president who endorsed segregation , locked up citizens like the 3rd & 4th generation Japanese in internment camps and threatened the supreme court with statements that he’d use parliamentary majority to stack the bench as the high watermark of the Republic, you really are a loon who loves despots.
Token
4 Nov 12 at 11:43 am
Mobile phones were invented, developed and marketed by unions. I didn’t know that. Computers too. Impressive.
Keith
4 Nov 12 at 11:48 am
…
youhe really are a loon who loves despotsToken
4 Nov 12 at 11:48 am
…sure, and Al Gore invented the internet
Token
4 Nov 12 at 11:49 am
Sod off, Shitfer, you pathetic pansy.
Insiders has gone from a biased pro-ALP program where the odd tough question was asked of ALP ministers to spread-legged ALP whoredom at $0.50 a trick.
The Finance Minister was on. Government spending is out of control, there’s levels of waste and fiscal incompetence never seen since Federation, she openly lied by saying that new taxes were ‘savings’, the ALP’s rock solid do-or-die promise to run a 12/13 surplus is a sick joke, and old Leatherface the kneepadder ignored it all and just kept on suckholing: Latham’s description is apropos here, the media is little more than a conga-line of ALP suckholes with ABC ‘journalists’ being the cheapest and most raddled whores in the congaline.
Journalism used to be a profession generally worthy of note. Those days are long gone, there are still a few actual journalists around but very few. Kneepad-boy is not one of them, in fact there is not one at the ABC at all. It needs to be privatised, and fast.
Mk50 of Brisbane
4 Nov 12 at 11:50 am
If you don’t like the blog, Dogshit’s Uncle, fuck off. You make the mistake that all other leftist deadshits make when they come here: you must behave like leftists and use their language so you can be controlled, i.e. you must volunteer for a Finkelsteinian buggering. You have the intellect of an ant.
Tom
4 Nov 12 at 11:52 am
Alan. Stevieliar QC needs a hand cleaning the toilet. You’d like him, he believes everything that the left tells him. Should be a fascinating conversation. And you could talk about how shit this blog is. Idiot.
Tiny Dancer
4 Nov 12 at 12:00 pm
I do like the blog tommy, it’s people like you that I have a problem with, who cannot express them selves without resorting to abusive language with a bullying tone.I may have the intellect of an ant but I have the morality of of a true socialist. Not a Communist not a Fascist, but a socialist. How old are you tommy? Obviously not old enough to spot the difference between debate and debasement.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 12:01 pm
We have our very own nanny Roxon on this blog now. I blame Sinclair.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 12:06 pm
Intellect of an ant.
Tom
4 Nov 12 at 12:08 pm
Alan:
Ok, Alan has admitted, nay boasted, of being an amoral monster who sees no moral objection to mass murder, expropriation of property, and enslaving people through welfare traps and the enforced poverty and ignorance they create.
This is the same sort of claim one of the four great socialist leaders of the 20th century, Adolf Hitler, made. Lenin, Stalin and Mao all made similar claims.
Thanks, Alan, for admitting what a genuine piece of amoral filth you really are.
Mk50 of Brisbane
4 Nov 12 at 12:14 pm
The wit and eloquence of Mk50:
Such an eloquent defence of the fine art of journalism.
Lord Tillman
4 Nov 12 at 12:14 pm
Hagus,
Go away.
JC
4 Nov 12 at 12:17 pm
Mk, he didn’t admit those things.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 12:18 pm
Nappy change ASAP! Mk50 has wet his pants – again.
Lord Tillman
4 Nov 12 at 12:21 pm
C’mon stop being pedantic. Mk50 was off on a bladder-expunging rant. He doesn’t let the truth hold him back when his ninny-juices start flowing.
Lord Tillman
4 Nov 12 at 12:22 pm
Like every fruitcake in the temporary Australian ruling class, zero self-awareness. Amoeba.
Tom
4 Nov 12 at 12:26 pm
The other day Hagus was hoping Gab would get raped by a gang of bikies.
JC
4 Nov 12 at 12:27 pm
Tom, I thought you had decided you couldn’t hack it here anymore and you were going to leave? Not to say we won’t miss your sparkling conversation and your perceptive insights but if you have something better to do then why don’t you go do it, fuckhead?
Lord Tillman
4 Nov 12 at 12:32 pm
Ol’ Leathery let that Wong chap off very lightly. Saying they had funded their spending plans through cuts after increasing net debt by $150 billion.
Ol’ Leathery let that one go straight through to the keeper.
Insiders is a waste of electrons.
H B Bear
4 Nov 12 at 12:40 pm
No, it means he’s the worst president in history.
Very conceptually simple, even for an old Bushitler critic.
I note for the record that you’ve pulled a Steve (so to speak) by referring sneakily to “this guy” as saying Obama’s is the greatest ever.
“This guy” being Jonathan Chait, left-wing wacko and author of The Case for Bush Hatred.
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 12:42 pm
Prediction: there will be problems with the voting system like the chad issue with Bush/Gore that will put the result in doubt for some time.
nic
4 Nov 12 at 12:44 pm
Yes. George W Bush was the single worst President in history. That is accepted fact.
Lord Tillman
4 Nov 12 at 12:46 pm
Something very odd about the election campaign in the US…
Where are all the marchers protesting military tribunals, Gitmo, illegal wars, drone strikes, extraordinary rendition, assassination squads and the arrest of a film-maker?
Curious.
I wonder why they’re all staying at home.
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 12:46 pm
They’re all staying at home because Obama is almost as right wing as Robme.
Scapula
4 Nov 12 at 12:48 pm
No. Woodrow Wilson was the worst. Although he never ate a dog and he liked the ladies more than the chaps.
Calvin Coolidge was the best.
Infidel Tiger
4 Nov 12 at 12:52 pm
Navy SEALS put out ad expressing their disgust and loathing for Obama…
Asked how many SEALS will not vote for him, all say 90+ percent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3kK5neqzHE
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 12:52 pm
So the lefties are saying right wing Obama hates right wing grass roots folk and he’s a community organiser?
Sinclair
You have got to ban these lunatics. They are just a constant hazard.
.
4 Nov 12 at 12:52 pm
“by referring sneakily to “this guy” as saying Obama’s is the greatest ever.”
I said he was a loon. Despite that, he’s still better at making an argument in comparing presidents than you are. Aren’t you a bit embarrassed by that?
Jarrah
4 Nov 12 at 12:52 pm
Has the chipmunk sent you the last installment of taxpayer funding for another speech you’ve written he hasn’t used? Ummmm Bob.
JC
4 Nov 12 at 12:53 pm
Really? I reckon Andrew Jackson was the worst.
JC
4 Nov 12 at 12:54 pm
In other words, he didn’t implement a leftist agenda to the extent that they would like, and that they were led to believe he would prior to his 2008 election. Therefore, it’s back to the old far-left gripe that all politicians are the same (ie too centrist, therefore too right wing).
scapula, all that might be true but it only applies to a small fraction of the voting public. I can’t imagine that the far left will sit it out, but if they do, it will hurt Obama.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 12:59 pm
No no. He isn’t.
He’s the author of The Case for Bush Hatred.
And you quoted this – to use your word, lunatic – as an historical source.
Incidentally Jarrah, as a ‘libertarian’ who ranted and raved about BushCheney military tribunals, Gitmo, illegal wars, drone strikes, extraordinary rendition and assassination squads, you seem suddenly cool about all of those things.
Odd.
What about the film-maker whose arrest by (literally) brown shirts in the middle of the night Hillary Clinton publicly admitted orchestrating?
Also cool with you?
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 12:59 pm
tillers leaps to Alan’s defence.
Amusing.
So Tillers, just what does socialism as a philosophy have to be proud of to weigh against the 100,000,000 corpses and vast human misery that same philosophy generated last century?
Please start your hagiographic apologia for socialism now. I invite you. You have the floor.
Mk50 of Brisbane
4 Nov 12 at 1:00 pm
Andrew Jackson still loved America and dogs.
Obama is an historical disgrace for the Republic. Will they make it twice?
Infidel Tiger
4 Nov 12 at 1:02 pm
Do you change your diapers during the course of the day, Mk50, or do you just keep them wet?
Lord Tillman
4 Nov 12 at 1:02 pm
In my lifetime it would be Nixon as worst President, because he put the presidency into disrepute.
But for sheer all round hopelessness you would have to give it to Carter. He failed at the economy, and he failed at protecting the USA’s interests. Even a hollywood actor would look like a giant compared with Carter…..Oh, wait.
And Obama, it’s true he was given a cack hand, but he has only managed to kick the can down the road, when repairs are desperately needed. And he relies on very poor advice. Basically he is the wrong man to be President.
entropy
4 Nov 12 at 1:04 pm
Methinks JC maybe meant Andrew JOHNson instead of Andrew Jackson?
Lord Tillman
4 Nov 12 at 1:05 pm
Obama had a vague, aptly named ‘hopey-dopey change’ love song theme, but nothing even remotely leftist as an agenda even the first time around.
America specialises in billion dollar elections based on puffery.
Scapula
4 Nov 12 at 1:06 pm
Stephen Green beats Nate Silver around the scone with an embarrassing clue bat:
I guess we’ll see.
http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2012/11/03/it-aint-by-the-numbers/
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 1:08 pm
No Jackson was a shocker.
He lost money in speculation then went after banks for practicing fractional reserve lending causing a depression.
Birdie would love Jackson.
JC
4 Nov 12 at 1:08 pm
Did Ol’ Leathery discuss the backflip on excising the mainland for illegal asylum seekers?
You know, play clips of each of the Labor Ministers from 2006 when they made absolutist statements about the immorality of the law they are now supporting.
Hah, as likely as playing the absolute statement they made about the immorality of the GST.
Token
4 Nov 12 at 1:09 pm
Oh Shit… Yea… Andrew Johnson.
Jackson, Johnson.. close enough.
JC
4 Nov 12 at 1:11 pm
“Fifth topic: what chances of an early election? ”
Reckon around April as the Newspolls get better for ALP.
They have policies out there now, although completely unfunded but people don’t notice that on the whole. Whereas the Coalition be looking like empty vessels right now.
The litmus test perhaps when Labor bring Ms Gillard out actually in front of people to see if she’s accepted.
On the whole it looks a lot better for ALP, hope Tony Abbott doesn’t have head in sand and gets his act together soon.
candy
4 Nov 12 at 1:11 pm
Scapula, I said “he didn’t implement a leftist agenda to the extent that they would like.” Obamacare alone, being a massive socialization of health care, can be classified as a left, or even socialist, policy. And he did plenty of other things that you’d expect a campus socialist to do; from reducing the military to apologising for american foreign policy, to softening border policy.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 1:12 pm
“No no. He isn’t.”
Yes yes. He makes an actual comparison. You do not. The loon is beating you. Time to step up.
Jarrah
4 Nov 12 at 1:14 pm
Apart from the infamous Apology Tour, the worst debt in history, a massive, failed ‘stimulus,’ abolition of religious liberty, supporting the Occupy rape movement, a jihad against ‘the rich,’ protection of the Black Panthers, surrender to Libyan terrorists, an attempt to derail the Second Amendment with a Mexican gun-running debacle, an extremist feminist war that ended in ignominy with Sandra Fluke addressing 10 people in the parking lot of the Sak ‘n Save in north Reno, telegraphing his deep-seated and abiding hatred for Israel.
Yeah, apart from all that, he’s just like Reagan.
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 1:16 pm
He also socialised one sixth of the economy which you may have read about.
Infidel Tiger
4 Nov 12 at 1:18 pm
A “lunatic” makes a comparison, folks.
Like the bloke in the Queen Street mall comparing Campbell Newman to Adolf Hitler.
That sort of thing.
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 1:18 pm
“Obamacare alone, being a massive socialization of health care”
Whoah. It certainly was not. It’s an increase in regulation, but the fundamentals aren’t touched.
Jarrah
4 Nov 12 at 1:20 pm
Speaking of Sandra Fluke, she’s really speaking for college women everywhere!
Sandra Fluke draws ‘crowd’ of tens to Florida rally for Obama.
Picture hilarious.
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 1:20 pm
crickets chirping…
C’mon Tillers, where’s that defence of socialism?
Are primary-school insults really all you have?
I mean, you have the Little red Book, Das Kapital, Mein Kampf, the Collected Works of Lenin, all that wonderful recent scholarship on Stalin’s death camps, torture factories and purges…
There’s massive amounts of lovely socialist cant for you to mine for your apologia for mass murder.
C’mon, laddie, give it a good old socialist try.
Mk50 of Brisbane
4 Nov 12 at 1:21 pm
“A “lunatic” makes a comparison, folks.”
Something CL is apparently incapable of. A “lunatic” is better at making an argument than CL. How the mighty have fallen.
Jarrah
4 Nov 12 at 1:22 pm
Back again Hesus?
This mistake may be down to jet lag. But all the other mistakes may be down ethics lag.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 1:24 pm
You know if you only read right wing propaganda sheets you will never understand anything.
Why don’t you try the New Republic for suitably leftist information about the joint US-Israeli bombing of Sudan recently.
And Obama’s spinning of the Benghazi killing was, according to the Washington Post, to hide US support for Libyan terrorist operations in Syria run out of the US Embassy in Benghazi.
Scapula
4 Nov 12 at 1:24 pm
Token @1.09pm – surprisingly Ol’ Leathery managed to find the old clips of Chris Bowen saying exactly the opposite of what he legislated last week. He managed to look even more incompetent and hopeless than usual – pretty difficult after five and half years of policy inaction, inertia and backflips. Bowen just did what Gillard has done – hide behind the Angus Report recommendations.
H B Bear
4 Nov 12 at 1:26 pm
Candy, while what you are saying about the Government’s unfunded policies is true, it would be the wrong call for the Opposition to make any detailed policy announcements now:
The recently developing demand for detailed policies from the opposition is a talking point recently engineered by the ALP and vigorously picked up be their stenographers in the Press Gallery.
Releasing policies now would:
a) enable the Opposition to become the focus of attention and political attack, leaving attention off the government and the policies it is actually implementing right now.
b) Give the government time to steal bits of the policy to make the opposition look like “me to” by the time the election comes around and blunt the extent of differentiation;
c) use the resources of government to pick apart and find ways to discredit said policies; and
d) leave the opposition with little new to announce when the election eventually comes around.
So at this point of the electoral cycle, the opposition should continue to demonstrate the lack of clothes worn by this despicable and morally bankrupt government, and restrict any policy positions to ‘headland’ type speeches.
entropy
4 Nov 12 at 1:32 pm
We don’t know the story yet. There has been both a stuff-up and misleading the public, but exactly how it all fits together is something we’ll learn in the fullness of time.
In the meantime, laughing at various wild theories about what happened won’t get your man off the hook. We don’t know what happened, and until we do, nothing is ruled out. There are serious, unanswered questions.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 1:33 pm
hahahahahahaaaa
Even Alan is avoiding it like the plague, Tillers, after you leapt to the soulless amoral little socialist bastard’s defence.
Comedy gold.
Mk50 of Brisbane
4 Nov 12 at 1:35 pm
Which one of these socialists are you Morally Kurrupt 50?
I know which one I am. I see nothing about mass murder here. Has it occurred to you that the examples given were not Socialists but just “Very Naughty Boys”.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 1:39 pm
How on Earth can your embarrassing display of pants-wetting impose on me an obligation to defend socialism?
Why am I charged with defending socialism in the first place?
And what is there to “defend” against?
YOU pissed YOUR pants. That hardly puts socialism on the back foot now does it?
Lord Tillman
4 Nov 12 at 1:43 pm
Obama Attracting Smaller Crowds than McCain in ’08
Ahahahahahaha
Fleeced
4 Nov 12 at 1:44 pm
Its already quite clear that Stevens was the link man between the Libyan Islamic rebels and the looted Libyan weapons and their transmission and use in Syria.
Its been in the WSJ, London Telegraph and the Washington Post among other Marxist journals of record.
So Romney’s public attack on the issue hides the real issue and the undiscussed real issue is the CIA operation in Benghazi.
America funding the Jihad in Syria is not a good look.
Scapula
4 Nov 12 at 1:46 pm
The LA Times has a report in which many of the worst Fox news rumours about Bengazi are denied. It seems to me to be a shameful press scandal that Fox News has run so much rumour for party political reasonsin an election campaign.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-benghazi-attack-20121103,0,1460298.story
steve from brisbane
4 Nov 12 at 1:48 pm
Yeah, but not teh interwebz, Keith. That was Al Gore.
nilk
4 Nov 12 at 1:49 pm
If Bronco Bamma is having trouble drawing crowds, what hope does Free Frangers Girl have?
Fleeced
4 Nov 12 at 1:52 pm
Okay, hadn’t finished scrolling. Token got in first.
In the meantime, in answer to alan’s link above that was designed to piss off christians (just for something different), have some Cash.
nilk
4 Nov 12 at 1:53 pm
I liked that song bilko. Beautifully performed. But it is hardly proof that god exists. Whereas my post definitely states that god exists but he hasn’t got his act together yet. I would say as an outsider to all religions that there have been more deaths ascribed to God and gods than all the “Naughty Boys” that were alleged Socialists.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 2:05 pm
“it would be the wrong call for the Opposition to make any detailed policy announcements now: ”
Entropy, think i might have to disagree, it’s the right time now to expect policies of the Coalition.
I mean, policies is what’s it’s about, and an ordinary preson would be hard pressed to say what the Coalition’s are (apart from no carbon tax), and what they have in mind for Australia’s future, whereas ALP certainly are getting their message across.
anyway, just in my opinion
candy
4 Nov 12 at 2:11 pm
“The LA Times has a report in which many of the worst Fox news rumours about Bengazi are denied.”
Did you see Geraldo Rivera go on Fox and berate them for their bullshit?
Jarrah
4 Nov 12 at 2:14 pm
Pathetic. Who gave the stand down order? Why despite repeated requests was no help offered? Why did they pretend it was a spontaneous movie review protest?
Infidel Tiger
4 Nov 12 at 2:15 pm
Geraldo Rivera! Good one.
Hurricane Sandy apparently devastated his koi pond and he is most upset.
Infidel Tiger
4 Nov 12 at 2:19 pm
“Hurricane Sandy apparently devastated his koi pond and he is most upset.”
When he went on Fox they mentioned he’d “suffered some yacht damage”
Jarrah
4 Nov 12 at 2:29 pm
I saw him on O’Reilly. Two of the most loathsome people on screen at once was too much for me.
Infidel Tiger
4 Nov 12 at 2:32 pm
No no. You sneakily posted a link to “this guy” claiming Obama was The Greatest Leader Ever In History.
“This guy” being left-wing wacko and author of The Case For Bush Hatred Jonathan Chait.
You also say he’s a “lunatic.”
This is your biggest mix-up since Dover and I mentored you through the ad hominem sessions.
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 2:32 pm
LOL. Is this the most useless advice given in the wake of Hurricane Sandy?
It’s supposedly an article that provides “Simple Recipes for Those Without Electricity”, but the best suggestion it condescendingly comes up with is a cheese sanga.
Fleeced
4 Nov 12 at 2:34 pm
Poor Obama. You’re all being very harsh on him. After all he did ensure growth of a few businesses.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 2:34 pm
Wow, that Bloomberg endorsement was pure gold, eh?
Bloomberg Refuses National Guard Entry Into Brooklyn Because They Carry Guns.
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 2:35 pm
Words fail with regards to Bloomberg.
Fleeced
4 Nov 12 at 2:41 pm
OK, I’m making the call…
This is the funniest and saddest campaign video of the season:
Elizabeth Warren Holds a Rally – Nobody Shows Up.
Watch through – I nearly choked on an apple when I saw the whole 360.
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 2:42 pm
Geraldo?
The left really is missing Keith Olbermann.
twostix
4 Nov 12 at 2:43 pm
Imagine if Roxon and Bloomberg had a kid?
Infidel Tiger
4 Nov 12 at 2:43 pm
“No no. You sneakily posted a link to “this guy” claiming Obama was The Greatest Leader Ever In History.”
No, greatest since FDR. Which is lunacy, but he still makes an argument. You can’t even do that. All you’ve got is windbaggery.
The more you put down the loon, the worse you make yourself look.
So come on, stand up for yourself. How do you know Obama is the worst president ever?
“since Dover and I mentored you through the ad hominem sessions.”
LOL. Never say die, eh? After using ad hominem in that very comment.
Jarrah
4 Nov 12 at 2:44 pm
That’s just racist and the Cherokee nation is appalled.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 2:44 pm
Was that a bird chirping in the background of the Warren “rally” video or crickets?
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 2:47 pm
Bwahahaha! If there wasn’t a bus stop in front of them, there wouldn’t have been a single person!
Infidel Tiger
4 Nov 12 at 2:49 pm
No really, Jarrah – no hard feelings. We’re all very interested in the analysis of the author or The Case For Bush Hatred – whom you describe as a lunatic.
Thanks so much.
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 2:50 pm
DRUDGE:
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 2:52 pm
This keeps happening, six states now.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 2:58 pm
Why would Dems need this? Did they lose the Dead vote?
Fleeced
4 Nov 12 at 3:03 pm
Electronic voting machines are a hazard for electoral fraud.
Paper and pencil ballots might seem ‘soooo last century’, but it’s the only way of tracking the process from beginning to end.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 3:07 pm
Reminds me, anyone know the percentage of folks who vote early, typically, in a presidential election?
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 3:07 pm
Another call:
Via Ace, cartoon of the election season…
http://www.bokbluster.com/2012/11/02/benghazi-attack-editorial-cartoon/
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 3:11 pm
It depends on state by state.
some states are 80% done.
JC
4 Nov 12 at 3:13 pm
Just watched another 3 minutes of that Wong chap on Ol’ Leathery’s Abbott Hour (that’s all I can manage at a time). Wong was saying that by 2050 – yep in nearly 40 years time – the 30% private health insurance rebate would take up nearly 75% of the health budget!!!
Presumably these are Treasury figures whose $20bn deficit forecast for last year was only out by $20bn. Perhaps their 40 year forecasts are better.
I’ll see if I can do another 3 minutes before I tape over it. Don’t hold your breath.
H B Bear
4 Nov 12 at 3:14 pm
Thanks, JC.
Good to see you made it out of NYC safely.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 3:15 pm
DD it’s ugly realpolitik. The ALP brought this legislation up purely, and only, to divide the coalition.
(This ALP and the Greens doing full market deregulation yeah they’ve got a real ideological drive to deregulate markets).
That’s this months strategy – to divide then make hay from the “divided” coalition on wheat “deregulation”, the murray darling and probably some other things still in the pipeline.
Even scumbag Tony Windsor admitted the policy was being driven by the ALP to embarrass the Libs and Nationals and he hates them!
The reality is this: After the loss of the single desk the coalition promised farmers a good amount of time of stasis, then review, before further deregulation – Abbott can’t support it now because he would be breaking the coalitions 2008 promise to the coalitions partner and tens of thousands of farmers who are all coalition voters.
twostix
4 Nov 12 at 3:15 pm
I have just looked to see what Mk 50 might mean other than half a morally kurrupt person. I find that it is a torpedo.
One of the more hilarious things about this site is the names that you contributors choose.
Most of the men have chosen really masculine names and the ladies have chosen mainly nice feminine ones.
A man with a weak personality and a tendency towards shyness might choose a strong name like tiger, or an elephant as a symbol of strength, or JC as a reference to omnipotence. The “Lefties” mostly have used their own names. e.g. Alan, Steve, Alice.
Does this have any significance?
alan
4 Nov 12 at 3:15 pm
hey alan, wasn’t it you who wished me a gang rape by bikies on a deserted island?
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 3:18 pm
The significance is that you’ve run out of mull and will soon start grinding up ibuprofen.
.
4 Nov 12 at 3:18 pm
This – who’da foreseen it?
Rabz
4 Nov 12 at 3:21 pm
Alan you only learnt how to blockquote yesterday.
Psychoanalysis might be a bit beyond your grasp.
Infidel Tiger
4 Nov 12 at 3:23 pm
Lefty humanitarian Geraldo Rivera in crisis following superstorm.
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/334580.php
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 3:23 pm
When the Koi called, Geraldo answered. If only Obama had the same resolve as this lefty stalwart.
Infidel Tiger
4 Nov 12 at 3:27 pm
People, please!
alan is not the troll we need removed from here.
OK, I’ve been very indulgent of him, because he is funny. Others may not agree, but he’s never resorted to insults or abuse (something that could be alleged against yours truly), but more importantly, he’s a proud purveyor of shockingly bad poetry, of which there isn’t enough in this world.
There are far worse trolls that infest this blog.
We should refocus on them.
P.S. Gab – I remember the comment cited at the top and that was not my interpretation.
Rabz
4 Nov 12 at 3:27 pm
This doesn’t look like a recipe for serial killing either.
Yes Gabby it was me that you accused of of saying that. I already said that I was sorry that you took my comment to mean that. Your persistence in claiming that something as morally abhorrent as to expose some poor bikies to your acid wit and your self appointed control of this blog would lead me to suspect that you have decided to make me a personal project.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 3:31 pm
Do you think it at all possible for you to use my name as shown on my moniker, alan? I am not “Gabby” and you are not a freind that can be so familiar.
Here’s what you said:
Are you Catherine Deveny by any chance?
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 3:40 pm
“We’re all very interested in the analysis of the author or The Case For Bush Hatred – whom you describe as a lunatic.”
Still waiting for you to even attempt to do any better than a loon…
Jarrah
4 Nov 12 at 3:40 pm
Fair dimkum Gab, if I wasn’t reading on the web I would never have known there were those probs in NYC. Midtown was basically back to normal the day after. Day after that there was almost no physical sign of the storm other than lots of cop and ambulance sirens.
Of course our daughter was with us as she wasn’t able to get back to the West Village.
JC
4 Nov 12 at 3:42 pm
Hmmm…
There is some leeway for reinterpretation.
Rabz
4 Nov 12 at 3:46 pm
Well Gabby I might see my way clear to call you by your chosen blog name if the contributors to the blog start showing a bit of respect to our Prime Minister, our Treasurer and other Ministers of the Crown. I would also like them to stop being rude about the Governor General, who is after all the Queen’s representative in Oz. Calling President Obama “Obongo” is not a very nice thing either.xx
P.S. I’m so sorry that I am not considered to be a “freind” I would much rather be your “Friend” xx
alan
4 Nov 12 at 3:50 pm
Rabz
Hagus was being an arsehole with that comment. He also groveled an apology straight after.
If it was up to me I’d send that fucker back to where he came from. No doubt he was a 70′s British import.
They would have to rank right up there with the Lebo Muzzos as the worst fucking imports of all time. Lebo Muzzos and 70′s Brit imports. The worst batch of ne’er-do-wells in the nation’s history.
JC
4 Nov 12 at 3:51 pm
Fuck off, dickface.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 3:52 pm
Ahem, alan:
If you want to remain on this blog, lay off the misogyny.
You’ve grievously insulted friends of mine and Sinc (aka Doomlord) wouldn’t be impressed, either.
Tread very carefully, Squire – oblivion awaits.
Rabz
4 Nov 12 at 3:59 pm
I take it that it is all over between us now Gabby.
Yes Hesus, the best deal Australia ever made.
Ten Pounds sterling purchased a good worker, and a regular tax payer, who has never been unemployed since that Happy Day that I stepped off the boat.
Fortunately for me I never had to resort to the dubious method of remuneration that the Cannibals like you.Stripping the flesh from the bones of “Howard’s Battlers”. I never bought any telstra shares and I bet you only bought them from the old people next door at a “special” rate to “help them out” Get a proper job like jolly good workers from my Boat.good
alan
4 Nov 12 at 4:03 pm
There is more chance of us pulling our own teeth out sans anesthetic, than ‘da respeck’ being shown.
Dream on, paddy!
Rabz
4 Nov 12 at 4:04 pm
It should be okay to disrespect powerful people, especially if you dislike what they do with power.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 4:05 pm
This is the statement of a person who consumes significant quantities of psychotropic substances.
Rabz
4 Nov 12 at 4:06 pm
Hey Gab, don’t let it get to you, he probably just fancies you and it’s his way of expression, i don’t know.
Don’t be upset.
candy
4 Nov 12 at 4:06 pm
Who the hell is Hesus? Are you referring to JC?
FYI, “J.C.” are the initials of his actual name, not the product of some super-ironic religion joke.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 4:06 pm
WTF?
.
4 Nov 12 at 4:07 pm
Sorry Rabz, it was a rush of blood to my head.As you have been a voice of reason I will take heed of you.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 4:08 pm
So Tillers blusters and hides, and poor old deluded Alan thinks I am a socialist.
Who said anything about serial killers? The outcome of Socialism at best is misery for the populace and socio-economic failure; and all too often mass murder by the power-elite socialist-inspired governments always develop. Witness the mass slaughters of the Leninist, Stalinist, Hitlerite, Maoist, Kim-dynasty, Khmer Rouge and Castroite governments just to name a few. Every one of which was inspired by, rooted in, or directly implementing “Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, seeing socialism as a transition state between capitalism and communism, appropriated what they found useful in socialist movements to develop their “scientific socialism.””
As I have said many times here Alan you F.U.N., I am an Imperialist, (one with a great deal of sympathy for Libertarian positions).
Oh, and you’ll not get the handle. It’s neither the torpedo nor the helicopter, but an in-joke relating to an incident involving me many years ago, a stuff-up I made, an expensive piece of equipment which failed at the perfectly inopportune time, and something very funny (in retrospect) which resulted from the immense amount of physical work the whole shenanigans caused.
Mk50 of Brisbane
4 Nov 12 at 4:11 pm
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Hagus, I couldn’t give a rats if you bought them or not.
JC
4 Nov 12 at 4:12 pm
I’m sure you would like to be Administrator of the Cat as well.
You have asked for us to respect the most contemptable cabal in the history of Australian politics.
A person earns respect, neither you or the cabal you speak of has done so.
“katallattein”, which means not only “to exchange” but also “to admit in the community” and “to change from enemy into friend”
Mission impossible.
Fuck Off.
Rudiau
4 Nov 12 at 4:12 pm
Now there’s a first!
Rabz
4 Nov 12 at 4:15 pm
Speaking of the sycophantic media, it’s amazing how little has been reported over Labor’s backflip on immigration/border protection policy this week. Well, okay, not that amazing given the Canberra presstitutes will do anything to polish Labor lies to gleaming gold-plated finish.
Apparently it is acceptable and laudable for the likes of Bowen to “change his mind” however unacceptable when the Libs do that – in which case the presstitutes label it as “flip-flopping” or “Abbott’s a weathervane”. The bias is disgusting and worthy of a North Korean government stamp of approval.
Here’s Bowen in 2006 talking about the same thing he did this week:
Ben Fordham takes Bowen to task and the interview gets very heated as Bowen tries to squirm his way out of answering some pointed questions – questions that no Fairfax “journalist” or ABC “reporter” will ever ask of this government.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 4:20 pm
You miss my point Rudiau, it is the position that demands respect, and the fact that these people have been voted into Office by a substantial group of people should also be respected. That is what Democracy is all about. When the coalition get their turn I will show them the respect of office even although I might not agree with them.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 4:28 pm
How did helping Stevieliar QC go for you Al? You’ve come back pretty tough. First it was the biker talk and now you’ve gone all respectful. You should hang out with that loser a bit more. Keep lecturing you brave lad.
Tiny Dancer
4 Nov 12 at 4:31 pm
Hey Candy, just for you in case you haven’t seen it.
I guess the Lying Slapper and her Gal Queda coven members will be shrieking “misogynist” again over Abbott and his daughters being some imagined affront to gillard.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 4:32 pm
That’s not very nice either.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 4:33 pm
Candy, page seven on that link.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 4:33 pm
Clearly an insult to the lying slapper and all like minded dishonest marriage wrecking trollops
Tiny Dancer
4 Nov 12 at 4:38 pm
alan – make yourself useful – some more shockingly bad poetry, please Squire, there’s a good paddy.
Rabz
4 Nov 12 at 4:40 pm
alan
4 Nov 12 at 4:41 pm
ailin’
No you miss my point.
Rudiau
4 Nov 12 at 4:45 pm
This is not aimed at any particular user of this blog. Just a gentle reminder that actions have reactions that may ruin emerging minds.
You are flogging a dead horse. Lefties like us should piss off from this place for the rest of November. Then all they could do is scream at links.
Dover Beach, had trouble finding adequate links for your request. You’ll probably need to read some mathematics papers on the subject. The issue of the excluded excluded middle as been kicking around in mathematics for quite some time now. Just weird, nearly as weird as physicists and mathematicians writing about negative probabilities. They take that both issues very seriously. Too weird for me.
Dead Soul
4 Nov 12 at 4:46 pm
I would like to indulge you Rabz, but inspiration is a fickle thing. Do you have any particular subject that you would like illuminated.
Just note that I can not be seen currying favor or making any direct attack on any sensitive souls that may take offense to perceived victimization
alan
4 Nov 12 at 4:46 pm
“Candy, page seven on that link.”
Yes, he’s the proud father, with those two lovely looking young women next to him.
candy
4 Nov 12 at 4:48 pm
Tiny Dancer.
Yes the break has done me good, thank you for your concern.
The burden of Education is almost to heavy to bear. But with your support I may be able to spread the message of true Socialism. Thank you once again for your support. Maybe you could gather a little bit of help for me from the other Cats.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 4:52 pm
alan,
Turn off your mind, relax and float downstream…
Rabz
4 Nov 12 at 5:17 pm
Hey Dot.. the lake area we went to was about 1 hour outta NYC. It’s here.
You’ve got lakes and water up the wazoo here.
JC
4 Nov 12 at 5:21 pm
This government was not voted into Office by a substantial group. It is a hung Parliament, and it’s hunging on by the skin of its teeth.
These people have debased the very Parliament they sit in day after day, prating on about ‘misogyny’ and ‘relentless negativity’ while trashing the economy via the carbon tax we were never going to have, the decimation of the live export up north, the mining tax/royalty theft and the ever encroaching totalitarian tsunami that you obviously look forward to, Alan.
They do not deserve my respect. They deserve my undying contempt for the way they spit on this country.
They do not represent me, nor my family, nor my friends.
They also do not represent a growing number of disaffected Labor voters who look to their putative Leader and wonder when they voted in a shrill, scolding harpy (but I repeat myself) who does not understand their concerns, nor does she care.
She has, as has been pointed out, the morals of an alley cat, and we’re always told we should respect everyone’s culture but our own yet she does not.
She has no shame or guilt, apparently, at flaunting her status as a woman who is happy to sleep around and currently live in an unmarried status.
I’m sure that plays well in Karachi.
nilk
4 Nov 12 at 5:30 pm
You’re such a sensible soul, DS. Life would be so much simpler if you showed some appreciation of the millions of dollars we have spent on propaganda channels for the hive mind that were designed to drown us out. Over there, you can post ’til you’re heart’s content and receive nothing but tailor-made agreement and giddily seductive argument without all the profanity.
Anyway, you’ll probably be needed as a witness in next year’s Finkelstein show trials.
Likewise, Dogshit’s Uncle, your presence here is very ungrateful of the propaganda channels we have provided just for you. Hours of pleasant banter await, although there is a time limit on our largesse: it expires in November next year.
Tom
4 Nov 12 at 5:34 pm
Pretty, bare-breasted girl greets an unflinching Prince Charles on the red carpet in PNG. The amazing cultural contrasts of that country.
This would be a good role for Kate Ellis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPzeBA-LRtw
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 5:41 pm
You’re such a sensible soul, DS.
Done, catchya in December.
Dead Soul
4 Nov 12 at 5:51 pm
Awesome comment, Nilk.
Rabz
4 Nov 12 at 5:52 pm
Wow JC, looks beautiful. Like Tasmania minus Tasmanians and the Australian Greens.
.
4 Nov 12 at 5:57 pm
ODE FOR RABZ.(Rhyming Couplets)Sorry about the delay I had to take my cat for a walk.
Mitt Romney joins into the fray,
His magic jammies worn away
“Don’t be scared I’m old and bony
I gather strength from good Moroni
I’ll do anything to win this race
I’ll buy new jeans and wash my face
I’ll shine my shoes and press my shirt
I won’t cave into Demo Dirt.
And when I’ve won and got the seat
I won’t look old, I’ll look quite neat
I’ll hide the fact I’m skin and bone
And as president I’ll control the bomb.
Mormon’s Control the World.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 5:58 pm
Right, Nilk.
What we have at the moment, in fact, is an unelected junta.
And it behaves just like… yeah, an unelected junta.
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 5:58 pm
One picture tells a thousand words…………
1735099
4 Nov 12 at 6:03 pm
Spud peeler.
Fema has run out of water. It’s run out of water, you fucking turd.
JC
4 Nov 12 at 6:05 pm
Sped peeler,
You are an ignorant, spiteful sack of shit. There isn’t a fucking thing that could even be considered decent about you.
JC
4 Nov 12 at 6:07 pm
One picture tells a thousand words…………
Emergency Services are not big government.
dover_beach
4 Nov 12 at 6:08 pm
lol good one Private Latrine but we already know you have no idea.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 6:09 pm
LOL, Gab.
Tom
4 Nov 12 at 6:10 pm
Private latrine, why is your blog moderated? Why do the comments have to be approved? Why don’t you stay there?
Tiny Dancer
4 Nov 12 at 6:15 pm
aaaaaghagahahahahaha – stop lying.
You will be shrieking like a howler monkey on speed.
Carpe Jugulum
4 Nov 12 at 6:15 pm
Awesome, anti spudpeeler people.
And alan – 0/10 again.
A magnificent effort.
Rabz
4 Nov 12 at 6:17 pm
Another blatant lie from an old socialist. Yes, one who might have been deemed to have a heart when young, but now that he’s old and still a socialist, can be said with certainty to have been a slow or non-learner in his progress through life.
Given the shape-shifting, the diagnosis of Deveney’s Disease seems accurate. How someone of the left can plead “civility” at this stage, with its own mask slipping as often as that of the regime it loves, is a moot point.
This thread is another I hope Sinc enjoys reading, but it’s full of shit from at least three of the smarmy leftoid interlopers who don’t deserve to waste space here.
blogstrop
4 Nov 12 at 6:18 pm
Still laughing, Gab.
Tom
4 Nov 12 at 6:25 pm
Well here’s more for you, Tom. Wong does stand-up comedy:
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 6:27 pm
The laughs just keep on coming.
Big government sans any business experience tells businesses how to run their commercial enterprises:
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 6:30 pm
Does Kevni the closet moron even understand that business will, and do, recruit people from Asia because they have not just the language skills but the cultural skills as well.
Wax eating little sh1t.
Carpe Jugulum
4 Nov 12 at 6:40 pm
Thanks Gab. Erudite as usual, and witty as well.
Where do we get these trolls from? There’s a rumour that when JC stopped giving Welcome To Country speeches, is when the latest infestation arrived.
If so, JC, back to the invocation stand, please.
Winston Smith
4 Nov 12 at 6:41 pm
“It should be okay to disrespect powerful people, especially if you dislike what they do with power.”
Powerful people need the most disrespect.
Jarrah
4 Nov 12 at 6:42 pm
So, if my business is purely domestic, or trades mainly with the US or Europe, I should set a quota for Asian speaking recruitment?
Do these people ever listen to themselves?
johanna
4 Nov 12 at 6:43 pm
nilk,
I started a response to the bikie rape fan addressing his points, as you have brilliantly done, but then for troll feeding reasons decided against it.
BTW, You expressed my sentiments ten fold better than I could have, bravo.
Indeed. Gillard prostituted herself, to the greenslime, to gain power at the expense of a promise to the electorate of no CO2 tax.
From disrespecting married women, union members, the electorate it always been about her and power at any cost, monetarily and ethically.
Still makes me ill to look at this.
Rudiau
4 Nov 12 at 6:50 pm
Tasmania’s finances have become such a national joke that they are even appearing in criminal court cases:
“But under cross examination by the defence barrister Julie Hickleton, for one of the four defendants, Nathan Stuart, the witness admitted he had spent $55,000 on a boat, $17,000 on a BMW, $55,000 on a customised Harley Davidson motorcycle, $15,000 on a unit for his mistress and $6500 on jewellery for his wife.
In addition, he had lost $200,000 at the Sydney casino and had put a deposit of either $42,000 or $100,000 on a Bentley. There was another $250,000 invested in a Sydney restaurant “and then he spent $12,000 on his personal trainer and prostitutes”.
All up, Ms Hickleton told the jury in her closing address, he had spent $824,900 in just seven months.
“Ladies and gentlemen, I don’t want to be flippant, but this man has better cash flow than the state of Tasmania,” she said.”
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/crimes-34-convictions-0-20121103-28quh.html#ixzz2BEoil6ZE
johanna
4 Nov 12 at 6:51 pm
This is why we need the Asian century.
Chinese man creates own Lamborghini . Classic entrepreneur!
Splatacrobat
4 Nov 12 at 6:54 pm
She’s a cute gal, but needs to hit the gym even more. Then they need to make her opposition leader post-Gillard, giving me the only reason, albeit a deal-sealing one, to vote ALP that I will encounter in my life.
Alex Pundit
4 Nov 12 at 6:59 pm
From the article:
Yes, Rudd – if companies offered more jobs with foreign language requirements, this would indeed encourage more people to learn said languages – that’s how the market works.
The reason companies don’t offer more of these jobs, is because THERE’S NO DEMAND FOR IT.
Fleeced
4 Nov 12 at 7:08 pm
Thanks, Rudiau. I’m actually feeling crap today, and so not in the mood for trolls. Usually I ignore them, but alan with his faux calls for civility just got my goat.
It’s not very respectful to call people by other than their online names, and he wants to cry about insults while he does that?
I’m just not in the mood for it.
And while I love it when Mk50 and Infidel Tiger and the others let fly, I’m trying to give up profanity as a habit.
It’s not working very well at work some days lol.
nilk
4 Nov 12 at 7:16 pm
The Asian Century…..
I’ve been doing a bit of work for a company that has operations in Japan, China, Honkers, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Korea, Taiwan and India.
Which asian language should I learn?
Simple.
English.
It’s the common language that everyone in the company speaks. I have guys working for me in Australia that were born in Hong Kong. We suggested sending one of them up to China recently to sort some stuff out. His response was, “No f*cking way. I hate the place, and besides, I can’t speak their lingo”.
boy on a bike
4 Nov 12 at 7:37 pm
Glad that you didn’t like my verse. 0/10 is high praise indeed from you.
Also the Beatles song went straight to my memory bank, when all we needed was Love. Something that is scarce on this blog. I sort of have the feeling that they even despise themselves.
Poor bilko, a little bit out of sorts.
I even have compassion for you, and I’m glad that you are trying to clean up your potty mouth.I’m also sorry about your name changes, but Hesus started it with naughty swearwords and his “Hi Alan” and Hagus.Listen to the Beatles and change your Karma.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 7:37 pm
FFS people if you’re going to argue with trolls, win the fucking argument. Sophistry and ridiculous ad homs just make you all look retarded.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 7:45 pm
Yes, and they put humour in the mix which makes for great entertainment.
Sorry for my profanity, “it was a rush of blood to my head.”
…… err, no it wasn’t, I lie.
Rudiau
4 Nov 12 at 7:49 pm
dd,
I actually think you should lighten up a bit. Notice how wound tight the trolls are? It’s what separates us from them.
Alex Pundit
4 Nov 12 at 7:52 pm
alan
Yesterday you said;
But today you said;
BTW, alan you may address me as jumpnmcar.
jumpnmcar
4 Nov 12 at 7:55 pm
Also
Because
jumpnmcar
4 Nov 12 at 7:58 pm
No thanks. I reserve the right to be strung out from time to time. But then again, I don’t regard accusing people I’ve just met of being rapists, murderers, as a fun time.
Nothing separates us from them.
The 99 percent and 47 percent are tribalist fictions.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 8:00 pm
Really, these trolls have one move, in a few steps.
1. First of all they aren’t even that good (Tillman is washed up), they just run interference when a good argument is made. They want to shut down ideas.
2. A good counter argument is shut down by incessant blather or absurd ad hom.
3. They play the Princess card when they get it back or or questioned for their unhinged beliefs or personae.
4. They cry to Sinc, then play the ball until it is forgotten.
Good. This blog has rattled some people who have something to lose. If it scares the shit out of subsidy whores or some PR twit in the ALP, I’m very happy.
The correct response by Sinc would be to ban people for stupidity. At worst, the trolls would have to lift their game.
I have an ongoing feud with Alice. She has basically made up a false career (which I have thoroughly debunked) to win on arguing from authority. She staked it all on not being able to buy cheap milk whenever she likes. What a thieving, money grubbing idiot. She might be the least worst because she is probably unhinged and can’t handle her liquor.
At least one of these trolls also has multiple accounts. The MO is remarkably similar for a few of them.
.
4 Nov 12 at 8:03 pm
Minor disturbance in Bankstown today – mother leaves baby in car, cops attend, brother and cousin of mother show up and next thing you know, capsicum spray and tasers are being used and cops are being called in from all over the place.
This is the same Rebecca Kay that recently accused Joe Hildebrand of being Jewish.
Don’t you just love “community meetings”?
boy on a bike
4 Nov 12 at 8:08 pm
Linky to the story above.
boy on a bike
4 Nov 12 at 8:09 pm
Which lead me to question why Sinc let’s them back in when all they’ve done is create a new account, not atone for their sins.
Alex Pundit
4 Nov 12 at 8:11 pm
Some people like flashmobs. I guess in Bankstown and Punchbowl they like flashriots.
nilk
4 Nov 12 at 8:13 pm
Thanks Nilk!
I enjoy troll-squishing. It’s a chance to use their own tactics against them, and to have some fun doing so, for they so hate it when you turn their own tactics on them.
It makes their lower lips tremble, and their beady little eyes fill with tears.
Then they go running to Sinc about the big meanies who are treating them… just like they treat others.
So unfair.
Also amusing is they way they gradually let their inner racist totalitarianism out as one baits them. Normally, they hide this pretty well behind smug condescension, their own ignorance and smarmy faux-moralising.
Alan has already revealed his callous ignorance and liking for totalitarianism. At least he accepts that Lenin, Hitler, Stalin and Mao are all socialists of the same cloth as him, which is nice – but I think he accepts it out of ignorance.
Mk50 of Brisbane
4 Nov 12 at 8:13 pm
FTFY.
jumpnmcar
4 Nov 12 at 8:16 pm
except that alan didn’t use the tactics you used, specifically a chain of dodgy reasoning to argue that he was cool with mass murder.
And because you addressed things he didn’t say and doesn’t believe, while at the same time let things he did say go unchallenged, he remained decidedly un-squished.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 8:18 pm
I want to get a tshirt made up with a picture of a mountain of skulls and the caption “Socialism! Because 100 million corpses can’t be wrong!” on it.
I’d like to wear it to one of those regular get togethers the socialists and anarchists have here in the City. Of course, I’d probably get punched out, much as I got warned not to go near the “Occupy Melbourne” idiots with my I (heart) Max Brenner tshirt, but that’s an occupational hazard.
The police would probably arrest me for incitement, too.
nilk
4 Nov 12 at 8:19 pm
Thank you jumpinmcar. I would like to call you that. You haven’t been rude to me, nor has Rabz or dd.
As for the other bit, I held out a hand for compromise but the offer was dashed to the floor. Should I be nice while others are not? Think on it.
The verse was only for Rabz, so comment from you is not required.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 8:22 pm
I swear, every 2nd post on this thread is from fuckwit Alan.
Sinc, please do us all a favour and send this deplorable fuckwit to the outer edges of cyber space.
Even SfB talks more sense than this cocksmoker.
I admit that I may have had the occasional cider as well as lager this afternoon, and I will also admit to descending to the lowest common denominator in terms of my language, however this distasteful Cnut really does need to be dispersed into the ether.
What purpose is he serving other that being a voice for the loony left?
Alan, fuck off and die you miserable cnut. Apart from being a mentally deranged masochist, what are you trying to achieve by commenting here?
If you were genuinely interested in political discourse you would be a
touch more moderate in your posts.
Instead of moderation, we find deliberate contrarianism.
Fuck off Alan/Bob cocksmoker, whatever you want to call yourself.
Huckleberry Chunkwot
4 Nov 12 at 8:25 pm
alan
I am only asking if you seek behaviour from others that you don’t abide by your self ?
jumpnmcar
4 Nov 12 at 8:29 pm
I thought you were not well bilko. You must have a very large chest or a very little pile of skulls. The only thing you may get on your t shirt is vomit. I don’t think they arrest people for nearly doing something. They may arrest you for EXCITEMENT. I would.
alan
4 Nov 12 at 8:31 pm
oh and
I made no reference to any verse and this is an open discussion after all.
jumpnmcar
4 Nov 12 at 8:33 pm
Why do you not use my name, alan? Unless you’d prefer to call me fluffi, which is what I’m called on other sites.
You make your call for respect, yet you don’t address me by my online name. That’s a tad hypocritical, don’t you think?
nilk
4 Nov 12 at 8:36 pm
Hahahahahahaha! Dogshit’s Uncle actually thinks he’s selling something that someone here wants to buy. I slam the phone down with glee on poor old duffers like Unc three times a week (when they get through my spam filter).
Tom
4 Nov 12 at 8:47 pm
Gatecrasher pleads for civility. Insults everyone. Spouts the usual crappola. Gets an armchair from moderators. Nice blog we end up having here in the name of openness or libertarianism, when all these trolls are laughing at the “open borders policy”.
The “be mean to trolls” policy doesn’t work nearly as well as Andrea Harris’ big spear used to at Blair’s old blog. In fact it’s a dodge.
Good night all.
blogstrop
4 Nov 12 at 8:48 pm
nilk
That was my conundrum also.
alan also offered this;
I’m only seeking clarity.
jumpnmcar
4 Nov 12 at 8:51 pm
Jump, as I mentioned earlier I usually ignore the trolls, but my care factor is so low that I’m indulging my baser instincts by responding.
Sad, I know.
In the meantime, enjoy the comparison between military endorsements for Barry and Mitt.
nilk
4 Nov 12 at 9:01 pm
It doesn’t work at all. If you think it does then you don’t understand what a troll is.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 9:11 pm
Ouch. Unfortunately I don’t think Mk50 is bright enough to grasp what a brutal put-down that is.
Lord Tillman
4 Nov 12 at 9:14 pm
In the meantime, enjoy the comparison between military endorsements for Barry and Mitt.
That is what is called “too close to call”, nowadays, nilk.
dover_beach
4 Nov 12 at 9:14 pm
So what, DD? He’s a left-wing troll, so using standard left-wing tactics against him is fine. It’s irrelevant is he’s not using part of the normal lefty playbook.
Yes, that pretty much sums up one (among many) of the standard left-wing tactics. Turn-about is fair play with them. Just don’t use such tactics against non-lefties.
So what?
There’s plenty of time and no need to rush, is there? It’s not like he’s going to go away, is it?
Damascene conversions among trolls are as rare as unicorns.
I mean, look at the self-proclaimed military historian Tillers. Like herpes, he’s back. For some reason, these racist totalitarians find libertarian sites irresistible.
Mk50 of Brisbane
4 Nov 12 at 9:31 pm
nilk
Thanks, I’m of the opinion that a Mitt Romney administration would be better for Australia and it’s economy and security.
I don’t think that discussion has been had at the Cat.
( if i’m mistaken, sorry Sinc )
jumpnmcar
4 Nov 12 at 9:40 pm
This sit e needs an ignore function like on messenger or chat rooms. The ability click an ignore button then click on the offending troll thus turning their trip to blank white.
I,m sure the technology is there. Failing this just don’t feed them.
Splatacrobat
4 Nov 12 at 9:50 pm
Tripe
Splatacrobat
4 Nov 12 at 9:53 pm
trip worked just a swell
pete m
4 Nov 12 at 9:59 pm
hehe “as well”
pete m
4 Nov 12 at 9:59 pm
Well, he’s a left winger but I don’t see a huge amount of evidence that he’s a troll.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 10:00 pm
While thousands in NY & NJ are trying to recover their lives which were screwed by a Mayor whose belief in AGW destroyed their homes…
…instead of raising money for those who have been left homeless, Lefties march in the most pathetic and pointless march ever.
Token
4 Nov 12 at 10:01 pm
Another victory for wymyn against the mysogynist right:
Token
4 Nov 12 at 10:02 pm
Gab,
This is a ” name your price* ” favour i am asking of you and your magic internet skills.
A grab take of K Rudd literally explaining ” Keynesian ” to the editor of the Australian and PVO on sky tonight.
He ( rudd ) is a devout follower,i know, but the teacher like delivery is amazing.
(* be gentle please)
jumpnmcar
4 Nov 12 at 10:04 pm
You’ve got to be kidding me. Are these people just stuck on stupid?
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/wildlife-safe-passage-plan-launched/story-e6frfku9-1226510131821#ixzz2BFbLUIr9
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 10:05 pm
” name your price*
a crab feast next time I’m in your neck of the world.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 10:06 pm
Another of the effective way the arts community is doing their bit for Bronco Bamma:
Token
4 Nov 12 at 10:06 pm
Jump, what was the name of the show, please?
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 10:07 pm
LOL.
Lord Tillman
4 Nov 12 at 10:08 pm
The state polls are weird. In the latest poll, conducted for AFF, Romney has taken a 1 point lead in Minnesota:
dover_beach
4 Nov 12 at 10:10 pm
I don’t think it’s complicated. In classical 2-valued logic, all propositions are strictly either true or false. That’s the law of the excluded middle. But in 3-valued logic, besides true and false, you have a third value called unknown or undefined or whatever.
So for instance if we had the logical proposition “Fred is 34 years old”, then what is its truth value? It could be true or false. But what if we didn’t have any data about Fred’s age? We couldn’t then say that the proposition was either true or false. If we had a 3-valued logic, we could assign it the truth value of unknown.
Logicians define rules for working with unknown values. There are many different possible logics depending on the particular rules you choose. Some logics are more useful than others.
Dangph
4 Nov 12 at 10:15 pm
Unless their name is Obama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTaFJJgYftg
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 10:15 pm
Done and done.
601 is all i know, I’m searching the foxtel guide( dead tree) now.
jumpnmcar
4 Nov 12 at 10:19 pm
Jump, was Rudd actually on the show or did PvO show a clip of Rudd lecturing?
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 10:20 pm
Gotta love Papua New Guinea…
Charles and Camilla hitch a lift on back of pick-up truck complete with arm chairs.
Amazing, wonderfuly pictures.
This one is unintentionally funny.
“No. I look stupid.”
“Dude, we all have to do it.”
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 10:27 pm
WONDERFUL
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 10:29 pm
Dangph, I understand that, but I don’t see how that example contradicts the law of the excluded middle. Fred is either 34 or not 34; that we might be unable to confirm either doesn’t mean he is neither 34 nor not 34. It seems to be that those logic systems that deal with an ‘included middle’ may simply have found a way to deal with situations where neither A nor not A can be dealt with formally.
dover_beach
4 Nov 12 at 10:31 pm
DD – let me get this right: you don’t think Alan is a troll?
Mk50 of Brisbane
4 Nov 12 at 10:37 pm
gab
It was a satellite hook up interview, Rudd was in China i think.
From what i can figure it was ” Australian Agenda “
jumpnmcar
4 Nov 12 at 10:39 pm
Mk50
You are a troll of the bed-wetting variety.
To wit, you make the shrillest, most hysterical and most bed-wettingest accusations against people who disagree with you.
You admit that there is neither rhyme nor reason to what you say and do.
You are a bed-wetting troll.
Lord Tillman
4 Nov 12 at 10:43 pm
“This fucking language… it just complicates it so much.”
- Australian Asian languages expert.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCELrz_sYXM
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 10:49 pm
Jump, Sky is really annoying. It doesn’t really have a dedicated video channel of AA and it’s youtube channel is a real hotch-potch of videos.
Anyway, I’ll do a search for you tomorrow – unless someone else can locate what you’re after.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 10:51 pm
Gab
Early day tomorrow, as always, the fart sack calleth, catch ya next pm.
jumpnmcar
4 Nov 12 at 10:51 pm
Correct.
I mean, he says some weird stuff (e.g., posting poetry) but he’s no more out of line than plenty of other people who comment here.
dd
4 Nov 12 at 10:56 pm
Tillman, the amount of times you mentioned bed-wetting in that post of yours tells me a lot about your fetishes.
Alex Pundit
4 Nov 12 at 10:59 pm
Apparently it’s “Mo-vember” or something.
Gab
4 Nov 12 at 11:05 pm
Australian Agenda SKY googled, I found this so save and listen, this may be it.
I haven’t listened to them, no time. It’s updated regularly and that’s why I suggest save it.
http://www.skynews.com.au/podcast/ Agenda and Australian Agenda
Australian Agenda
An in-depth look at the week in politics. Featuring leading political figures and commentators including Paul Kelly, Dennis Shanahan, Peter Van Onselen and David Speers; the program sets the agenda for national affairs. Hosted by Helen Dalley.
Updated: Every Sunday
http://www.skynews.com.au/podcast/feeds/australianagenda.xml
kae
4 Nov 12 at 11:09 pm
Camilla’s eyes on the tits of the lubra was most fun..
Perhaps 3/10 on the Kinsey scale?
Lazlo
4 Nov 12 at 11:10 pm
DB, fair enough. You are taking the law of the excluded middle as some kind of fundamental law of the universe whereas I was taking it as a property of a formal system. I’m a pragmatist by inclination. I prefer not to think about fundamental laws of the universe.
I would observe however that Schrödinger’s cat would seem to violate your law of the excluded middle. The proposition that “Schrödinger’s cat is alive” is neither true nor false.
Dangph
4 Nov 12 at 11:10 pm
And you, sir, are an unwelcome fucking idiot.
Fuck of out of here.
Lazlo
4 Nov 12 at 11:12 pm
off
Lazlo
4 Nov 12 at 11:18 pm
“lubra”?
Dude.
Abu Chowdah
4 Nov 12 at 11:23 pm
Kanaka?
Lazlo
4 Nov 12 at 11:28 pm
How about “woman”?
C.L.
4 Nov 12 at 11:36 pm
“This fucking language… it just complicates it so much.”
I enjoyed that.
dover_beach
4 Nov 12 at 11:39 pm
Drudge reports that Pennsylvania is now 48 apiece. If that’s the case Penn is going GOP on Tuesday and Romnster is likely then to win.
JC
4 Nov 12 at 11:50 pm
Hillary Demolitionist endorses Romnster.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/11/former-hillary-aide-backs-romney-148251.html
JC
4 Nov 12 at 11:52 pm
Demolitionists now trawling mental hospitals for the vote.
http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=9635
JC
4 Nov 12 at 11:54 pm
Oxymoron.
Lord Tillman
4 Nov 12 at 11:57 pm
Kenyan has state dinners costing $1 million bucks.
Fuck me.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/house-panel-wants-answers-on-costly-white-house-dinners/article/2512427#.UJZmFIXM_zd
JC
4 Nov 12 at 11:58 pm
Alan, I trust you are NOT the leftie Alan who was banned from this site a few months ago for an extreme attack of incivility bordering on the criminal with the charming suggestion that I should be ‘gang banged’, and who thus now is compensating with an over-indulgence in civility. Not that Alan, I hope.
The Cat is not a kindergarten hand-holding place, nor should it be. It is a blog for a particular viewpoint on economic theory and political expression. If you are pleading socialism here, expect to be whacked, hard, as nothing but a troll on such a site as this. Go somewhere else. We have no truck with such nonsense.
And Lord Tillman, MK50 has a considerable intellect displayed here on the Cat over a very much longer time that you have been here. He has earned his right to attack immediately apparent and demonstrated fools; you have not.
Enough from me; I’m off to bed.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
5 Nov 12 at 12:00 am
Why not? It worked for their Veep pick in 2008.
C.L.
5 Nov 12 at 12:03 am
A much better idea, CL.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
5 Nov 12 at 12:05 am
The queue to see Mitt in Wisconsin.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 12:06 am
Gillard to solve global economic woes.
C.L.
5 Nov 12 at 12:06 am
Onya Lizzie!
Winston Smith
5 Nov 12 at 12:10 am
“We leave nobody behind“.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 12:11 am
Teenage super sleuth, 16, tracks burglar down in ONE HOUR on Facebook after raid on home and gets him jailed for two years.
-Burglar stole £1,000 haul – including digital camera, camcorder, laptop, and wristwatch – from Connor Kendall’s family home in Cornwall
-Police took fingerprints but said it was unlikely the thief would be caught
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 12:15 am
Kevin Rudd is not outdone by Al Gore:
Heh. Not a bad life being a backbencher is it, Kev? London last week, Beijing this week…
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 12:20 am
Hi Gab, good on him.
My family in Sydney work on The Big Bike Ride (this year I think it was Sydney-Wollongong.
Mum phoned me today to say that one of their radio repeater stations and the batteries etc were stolen from within Royal National Park, near Waterfall.
The repeater was up high to boost radio from down low up to the ridge.
Vanished.
Police said they didn’t have much chance of finding it.
The wires had been disconnected, maybe there were fingerprints, but they said they wouldn’t be viable.
The people who work on these things are all volunteers, the equipment is owned by rescue units or other volunteers (the rescue units are all volunteers, no one is paid).
I wonder if this stuff will ever turn up – brother said probably on e-Bay, the stuff that they knew what it was, the rest was probably thrown away.
kae
5 Nov 12 at 12:21 am
A very good, hitherto unnoted essay (this weekend) from Christopher Pearson re Abbott and the DLP.
Worth reading for doofi who don’t understand the extent – and the limitations – of the nexus.
Abbott may be workers’ choice.
C.L.
5 Nov 12 at 12:21 am
Sorry to hear that, Kae.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 12:23 am
Winston, she says with a stern voice, you should be in bed and getting your cell repair in full-on nothing-else-to-do throttle.
Gosh, though, it is good to see you up and so lively so soon.
I am off now to ensure that my cell repair is operational so that no lines will start to scour my visage and that my dancing tomorrow morning is up to scratch.
Hot milk and honey time.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
5 Nov 12 at 12:23 am
Uh, hello? Which was the point I was making, obliquely.
Abu Chowdah
5 Nov 12 at 12:24 am
MS Sydney-Gong Ride.
kae
5 Nov 12 at 12:25 am
This is great.
Animated map of 2012 US presidential election campaigning
http://vimeo.com/52312754
Jarrah
5 Nov 12 at 12:29 am
Tone apparently unpopular, but the Coalition still lead 53-47 according to Galaxy
http://www.news.com.au/national/opposition-leader-tony-abbotts-support-plummets-with-malcolm-turnbull-preferred-as-coalition-head/story-fncynjr2-1226510202909
tbh
5 Nov 12 at 12:31 am
“And Lord Tillman, MK50 has a considerable intellect displayed here on the Cat over a very much longer time that you have been here. ”
Not true. Tillman has been absent for a while, but is of far greater vintage. He/she/it’s half-troll, half-Willy Wonka.
Jarrah
5 Nov 12 at 12:33 am
No one gives a hoot about Maine or North Dakota, apparently.
.
5 Nov 12 at 12:34 am
A good point, gently made by you, Abu. No question there.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
5 Nov 12 at 12:35 am
I am trying to be gentle, these days, Lizzie.
In with the bad, out with the good.
Abu Chowdah
5 Nov 12 at 12:36 am
Gab
The Romney queue looked weird. I can’t imagine an Aussie crowd queuing to see a politician. Then I remembered the crowds that gather to see someone they do respect . . .
.
Cato the Elder
5 Nov 12 at 12:37 am
Drudge reports that Pennsylvania is now 48 apiece.
More please.
dover_beach
5 Nov 12 at 12:37 am
I’m sure the cops got a lot of more important stuff done in that hour, such as catching people speeding.
Yobbo
5 Nov 12 at 12:38 am
When the Libs are 53-47 in front, and you ask about preferred leaders as a supplementary question, does it never occur to the pollsters that ALP and Greenie morons will nominate the person they view as the lesser political threat, and whom they will NEVER vote for?
Abu Chowdah
5 Nov 12 at 12:40 am
The New York Daily News backs Romney.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 12:40 am
Jarrah, you do jog my memory. A Tillman, not a Lord one, was around when I first started coming here. Got himself banned.
So he should know better, imho, than to call MK50 a troll.
These multiple personalities that arise on the Cat can do my head in if I let them. Lizzie I was, am, and always will be. Same as Winston is always Winston to me.
Except when I am Elizabeth and being a bit elegant.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
5 Nov 12 at 12:41 am
Speaking of tillman, anyone seen Les Maj3sty, Grant (something or other) and Mad Punter around these here parts lately?
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 12:44 am
Abu
according to the article
Interesting, if true. I wonder how many might have falsely identified as Coalition voters? How do they weed out that kind of thing?
Turncoat would be the path to oblivion for the Coalition.
Cato the Elder
5 Nov 12 at 12:45 am
CHRISTIAN ADAMS ON VOTER FRAUD: “We can learn a lot from Democrats by what they oppose. While Maryland Congressman Elijah Cummings tells us there is no vote fraud, fellow Maryland congressional candidate Wendy Rosen is committing federal felonies by voting both in Maryland and Florida. While the NAACP is leading the charge against photo voter identification, Lessadolla Sowers from the NAACP heads off to prison for voting for dead voters. While Brian Moran, Virginia’s Democrat chair, rails against voter integrity, his nephew Pat is caught on camera plotting the use of forged documents at the polls to help President Obama.”
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 12:51 am
Perhaps the people they asked were beta males?
Abu Chowdah
5 Nov 12 at 12:51 am
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 12:59 am
Kinsey scale goes from 0 to 6…
Just sayin’
Fleeced
5 Nov 12 at 1:07 am
Animated map of 2012 US presidential election campaigning
Interesting but not super informative. Romney spending time in PA is super informative I think. It could be the signal that he is looking for the big win.
Has anyone else heard that Ryan is AWOL on the campaign? A health problem maybe?
DaveF
5 Nov 12 at 1:28 am
I haven’t heard it, but I have noticed it. I was wondering what was up with that… Maybe it’s just a media reporting thing. After all, I’ve only heard of Biden because of his constant gaffes!
Fleeced
5 Nov 12 at 1:47 am
Zeke Miller @ZekeJMiller
Sam Ryan just took to the stage as @PaulRyanVP was working the ropeline and raised both hands with the “V” for victory sign. Crowd went nuts
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 1:52 am
Ryan is doing the second tier whip-arounds on behalf of his principal.
Surprisingly positive report on Ryan in the New York Times.
His campaign has been flawless.
C.L.
5 Nov 12 at 2:08 am
Ants!
No spiders or cockroaches today (well, one spider, but it was already dead), but ants galore! A slight spill last night, and they find it… how do they do that?!
Fleeced
5 Nov 12 at 2:09 am
Ant patrols.
C.L.
5 Nov 12 at 2:35 am
David Axelrod: ‘Obama showed his military support for Libyan embassy staff by greeting their coffins at the airport.’
Video.
C.L.
5 Nov 12 at 2:38 am
They offer trackside manicures & pedicures during NASCAR races at the Texas Motor Speedway. The on-site spa also offers massages and waxing.
I did not previously know this. Nor did I especially want to. But there ya go.
sdog
5 Nov 12 at 3:34 am
Hey Dog, I got to start a race at the Nashville Speedway (NASCAR style, lower grade). Best fun EVA (including being pelted with grit as they passed start-finish).
Tom
5 Nov 12 at 6:09 am
I wonder what the coffins said in response?
benson
5 Nov 12 at 6:17 am
I’m tendering my resignation as a commenter in protest at the inaction to deal with gatecrashers who devalue the blog. From now I’m reverting to lurker. They win.
Blogstrop
5 Nov 12 at 6:25 am
I suppose there is a Faffer curve equivalent for arsehole trolls, Sinc? When do you determine the trollery is putting the site into reverse and discouraging useful commentary?
Abu Chowdah
5 Nov 12 at 6:49 am
I suppose there is a Laffer curve equivalent for arsehole trolls, Sinc? When do you determine the trollery is putting the site into reverse and discouraging useful commentary?
All this faffing about Is fucking with my head.
Abu Chowdah
5 Nov 12 at 6:51 am
This is too funny. Warren Mundine points out the problem with indigenous politics in the ALP, and Linda Burney proves it.
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Oh, and I don’t think it was Whitlam that junked the white Australia policy.
Entropy
5 Nov 12 at 7:07 am
I have 680 emails I need to check. Fuck me
JC
5 Nov 12 at 7:41 am
I wonder how that snuck through the censors at the Times.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 7:45 am
Obviously, these are the plods the AFP learned their craft from.
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Ryan has been campaigning hard, working especially hard with Soctt Walker in Wisconsin and surrounding states (Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan). It just isn’t reported as the focus is on Mitt.
By contrast the Dems have until recently not been focusing on these states. When you are aware of that does it suprise you the polls in those states have been trending Republican?
Token
5 Nov 12 at 8:31 am
An interesting article on how to read the US Prez race:
Token
5 Nov 12 at 8:36 am
Token
5 Nov 12 at 8:39 am
Anyone recall I’ve often mentioned just how incredibly difficult it can be to get some sort of idea on US elections.
Was I kinda right? Lol.
The fucking thing is almost impossible to figure out… Nate fucking Silver not withstanding,
JC
5 Nov 12 at 8:42 am
Happy to report that qantas flight was much improved over my last one. Currently in the land of free – did a straw poll ( sample size one) on who will win the election, answer was too close to call, from self confessed swing voter who lives in the city of angels. Says it was no contest until the first debate, which changed everything. Say his republican friends are embarrassed at the ‘far rght’ wing of the party but they like Romney because has plenty of moderate history (ie romneycare, I think)
There you go, reporting from the ground as I find it.
brc
5 Nov 12 at 8:42 am
Media blackout of black Chicago protesters marching against Obama
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 8:42 am
Does this sound familiar?
This is the cancer that comes from a media that allows itself to be dictated to by the state.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 8:50 am
LOL Yobbo.
Fatty O Barrel can’t get enough of these RTA owned, non NSW Police controlled speed traps.
What a rotund prick he is.
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5 Nov 12 at 8:51 am
The other leftist clown Nobel laureate economist Joe
Stiglitz in Slate: It’s Obama’s World
People outside the U.S. would vote for Obama if they could. There’s a reason for that.
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 8:53 am
Don’t worry, Token, when the evil fascist Abbott dictatorship/regime takes control the MSM will remember it’s proper role.
Entropy
5 Nov 12 at 9:03 am
Does Stiglitz even know what a “no recourse mortgage” is?
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5 Nov 12 at 9:05 am
Here is an interesting argument that I had not give a lot of thought to until I heard Norman Swan mention it this morning on Radio National.
This may not significant to many, but as the natural end to life approaches, is something that I may have to deal with.
N.B. this is not directed at any person on Cat or at any person known to Cat.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 9:08 am
Alan favours death panels.
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5 Nov 12 at 9:19 am
Hedley Thomas: Silence kept the fraud happening.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 9:22 am
In continuation of the discussion on “Coarse Language”
this may be of some value.
My personal experience as the recipient of abuse extends from the start of my working life to my recent experiences on Cat.
I found it easy to slip into that style of talking as I spent nearly 54 years of using expletives to demonstrate my frustration, my joy or just to be naughty. I have learned from my brief existence here (Cat) that once said, even in jest, the ramifications of abuse in the printed word cannot be recalled.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 9:23 am
No, they aren’t.
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5 Nov 12 at 9:24 am
Friedman in the NYT:
Quite right.
It is important for the Republicans to lose.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 9:25 am
All abuse directed at trolls like you here, Dogshit’s Uncle, is calculated and considered. Fuck off.
Tom
5 Nov 12 at 9:26 am
What an ignorant, deluded imbecile.
Rabz
5 Nov 12 at 9:32 am
I look forward to the day when the Love Media will treat a whiff of corruption as an issue of concern.
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On a similar line, the “rights” industry in California has decided to spend capital on this group of “victims”:
Token
5 Nov 12 at 9:33 am
I don’t buy this arsehole’s BS either.
Eric Holder is a criminal and Barack Obama went to a church that thinks the CIA gave black people AIDS.
They are the crazies, whereas VP Biden is simply off his meds. Notice how the fuckwit has been silenced by his own handlers?
Freidman thinks Ryan isn’t good enough. Unless he was prepared to vote for Schiff or Gary Johnson, I’m calling bullshit.
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5 Nov 12 at 9:33 am
The perfect pair. Dorothy and Tommy.Full of hatred and with a diminished use of the English language, which by the way was only lent to you by your slightly dodgy ancestors in trust. Is there anybody in your turgid world that meets the magnificent parameters that you have set for others but not for your selves?
Start by recognizing your own failures before you have the temerity to judge others.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 9:36 am
All state run health systems intrinsically have death panels.
The question is whether the people who want medicine to be fully controlled by a socialist system realised they are setting up rules for people to die due to care being unavailable.
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Hey, can you define what you mean by “Right” and “Left”?
Token
5 Nov 12 at 9:39 am
No Alan, Fatty O Barrel is a turd and a revenue grabbing hypocrite. Deal with it.
Like Edward I said “I have removed a turd ‘neath my shoe”
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5 Nov 12 at 9:42 am
Good point Token. It may however come down to cost regardless of who is in power.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 9:42 am
You see death panels as an inevitability.
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5 Nov 12 at 9:43 am
That’s better Dot, you managed to get your point across without being rude about me.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 9:44 am
Moron, I mentioned O Farrell without talking about you.
Piss off you attention seeking mental defective.
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5 Nov 12 at 9:45 am
I remember being told by health care providers in South Africa, the competition in lines for free healthcare gets dangerous.
The fact is no state has the resources to meet the healthcare requirements of all citizens (leaving aside the moral hazard).
Do you believe in a mix of private & public healthcare Alan?
Token
5 Nov 12 at 9:46 am
The obliviousness of leftists Example number 5781005:
NBC’s Guthrie: Sandy “Handed” To Obama “Seemingly From Above”
SAVANNAH GUTHRIE: Yeah, and it can change on a dime if people start feeling that the federal response isn’t what it should be. But, look, when you have a race this tight, things like a hurricane, this can move the needle when you’re talking about a race that’s so close. And I think it was an important moment for the president because in the last three or four weeks of the campaign I don’t think he had been going out of his way to appeal to independents whatsoever.
This is a campaign build to turn out the votes of the party. And here was a moment handed to him, seemingly from above, where he could look like that strong, independent, steady-in-a-storm, very appealing to the middle of the road voters. And, I might add, to unmarried women voters who are going to be very key in this election.
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 9:47 am
No I don’t, I see the question as being something that should be taken into account before that event happens.
I was pro euthanasia until I saw a doco with Terry Pratchet, a man I respect, now I’m not so sure.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 9:50 am
Yes, I can imagine droves of undecided nubile babes fantasising about Bronco Bamma as they go to bed in half removed sexy lingerie because people in NY and NJ have ran out of water, power and fuel.
Maybe they’re thinking about Geraldo’s manly facial hair and his humanitarianism to his Koi carp?
Chicks like sensitive guys, right?
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5 Nov 12 at 9:50 am
Back to Dorothy you naughty girl.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 9:52 am
Shut up Alan. You are defending Fatso’s policy of more speed cameras and the imposition of the presumption of guilt, with the prosecution’s case being prima facie correct.
You will get not cordiality as long as you play this trollish route of confected outrage and defend such a fat fascist turd.
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5 Nov 12 at 9:56 am
It seems to work quite well. My only criticism is that it does seem to open the door to queue jumping. I have Rellos in the UK that have have nothing but praise for the National Health Service, but there are many detractors.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 9:57 am
They are idiots.
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5 Nov 12 at 9:59 am
Which does? Private or Public health?
I’ve heard that as the UK does not have as mature private system (it does exist for 10-15%?) that competion to get to the head of the queue (i.e. queue jumping) is worse.
Is that what you were referring to?
Token
5 Nov 12 at 10:00 am
You seem to forget that I am a Socialist and that Barry O’Farrell is not quite my cup of tea. However he is in charge and what he does can be reviewed at the next election.I am against the cameras if they are only for revenue. The worst thing about them is that they claim that the cameras are for safety purposes but the RTA took 5 weeks to let me know that I was 4km over the limit. I could have been killed in the meantime never knowing that I was at risk.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 10:03 am
The NHS is shit.
So alan’s relos are like alan.
The percentage of people who express their love and devotion to ‘uncle Joe’ Stalin is increasing in Russia as well.
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 10:06 am
Yes, I am looking forward to being able to call this the first election decided by direct intervention of Gaia.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 10:10 am
I really can’t comment much on the UK private system as I have been in OZ most of my life. I think it is Mature in the sense that it has being going a long time. When I was a kid only the “very rich” were the users of the private system. Here I am insured for “top” hospital with no extras. Seems to work ok.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 10:10 am
Steve from Brisbane, please remind me, what does “Left” and “Right” mean so I may better understand what Friedman is saying.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 10:12 am
Todays Market Report.
Repub betting.
Centrebet $4.15
Sportsbet $4.33
Betfair $4.40
Oz
Coalition $1.34
Fairfax $0.40 (f’it)
Rudiau
5 Nov 12 at 10:12 am
James K. Do you have any personal experience of the NHS?
As for my rellos, of course they look just like me, but they all vote conservative, and very sorry they all sound now. So it goes. The wheel turns.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 10:14 am
“Tone apparently unpopular, but the Coalition still lead 53-47 according to Galaxy”
Tony Abbott has been cowed by the misogny speech, and losing a bit of his macho, which is an endearing thing about him, an all round personality rather that just being meek and jelly-like, like M. Turnbull.
candy
5 Nov 12 at 10:14 am
Thanks for the constructive answers Alan. I do enjoy a dialogue.
How does this experience with the Private Health insurance system in Australia work with your understanding of a socialist economy?
Do you see the private system takes away from the public system in any way?
Does it the public system get an advantage by having so many people paying all/some of their health costs instead of the government?
Token
5 Nov 12 at 10:15 am
Sandy has clearly benefited Obama politically.
Sandy is God’s work.
God prefers Obama.
QED.
Lord Tillman
5 Nov 12 at 10:17 am
Looks like the delay DB had in betting is working in his favour. I thought the 3.92 I got on Fri night was remarkable for a 50/50 race!
Token
5 Nov 12 at 10:17 am
Yes.
I worked in it for a sum total of 18 months
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 10:18 am
I’m not good for one of those interminable political spectrum discussions, Token.
It’s an imperfect political scale, but its accurate enough to say the Republicans have moved to the Right, in my opinion.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 10:18 am
It must have been the work of all those prayers from those athiests.
They really have a lot of pull with the higher power!
Token
5 Nov 12 at 10:18 am
There are very very few conservatives left in the UK.
David Cameron for example is not a conservative.
The UKIP is doing well for a reason.
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 10:19 am
That is informed criticism. I had my tonsils removed by that system. Had to go there and back by omnibus.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 10:21 am
You’re the perennial fuckwit liar.
So Jack Kennedy would be at home with the Dems?
You tool.
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 10:21 am
Strange, if you can’t define what the spectrum is and the difference between Left & Right, how can you measure where people are along that spectrum?
Some might say you are not being honest Steve.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 10:21 am
Maybe Rev. Wright is the pastor of the one true religion. The world needs a racist ideologue coaching a nobel peace prize winner for sure.
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5 Nov 12 at 10:22 am
Your ALPBC is reporting that the Treasurer Wayne Goosesteen does not accept Deloitte Access Economics prediction that the Budget is already in deficit.
In other news The Goose does not accept night follows day, the sun shall rise in the east and gravity.
H B Bear
5 Nov 12 at 10:23 am
No, I am saying I am not going to get into definitional stuff about Left/Right that I find tedious and not worth discussing.
The worst, of course, is when people start prattling on about where the Nazis fell on the spectrum.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 10:23 am
Romney isn’t a conservative. He played one on TV in the primaries, and the tea baggers were dumb enough to believe.
But you need to have beliefs to be a conservative, and mitt has no beliefs.
Lord Tillman
5 Nov 12 at 10:24 am
LOL
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 10:25 am
Very restrained Les
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 10:26 am
I would particularly find it tedious to discuss it here where the views are now typically so far from centre that, Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck like, our Medicare/private health care mix is held to be an outrageous bit of socialist extremism.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 10:28 am
I love it Token.
The strategy seems to ask me lots of questions until I make a mistake as I inevitably would.
Then “Whaammo”
I am fairly happy with the system and funding here, I am a little unhappy about the waiting lists, but this seems to be inevitable no matter who is in power. As a general comment I have not fared too badly under either Labor or Coalition.I think that the Doctors etc are good committed people who do their best under the ruling Party of the time.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 10:29 am
So how can anyone believe that statement by Friedman is just a vacuous Ad Hom if we can’t measure what he means by:
It invalidates his whole premise and makes you look foolist for quoting something you don’t even understand the premise of.
Some might say you’d throw the quote in (which you admit you don’t understand) to inflame.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 10:29 am
Romney is at least pragmatic.
Closing tax loopholes, paying off the debt and allowing more mineral exploration is at least pragmatic.
If conservatives self identify with pragmatic reform and Obama doesn’t so be it.
You’re being a shit Tillman. “Romeny has no beliefs” ….then all of the sudden “magic underwear”.
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5 Nov 12 at 10:32 am
Look Token, you’re being a dimwit.
I am saying I agree with Friedman that the Republicans have run to the Right and become extreme on several views. I have said so before many times.
I am further saying that if you want a definitional argument of what is left and right, I am not going there. I don’t think reasonable people have a problem with the statement “the Republicans have veered Right”. If you don’t know what it means, it’s a good sign you’re unreasonable anyway.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 10:32 am
We’ve lucky to have our public health system –
but the snag is that is that too many people are becoming fat, don’t attempt exercise at all, not minimising their alcohol and cigarette use, using illict drugs, and so they’re clogging up the system with diabetes, heart disease, respiratory disease, psychiatric illnesses due to addictions, the list goes on.
Perhaps more public information on lifestyle choices might help.
candy
5 Nov 12 at 10:34 am
Bullshit, Steve.
The GOP don’t try to appeal to the moral majority in any overt way now.
It’s all about the tea party, which hold largely paeloconservative views.
The paelocons were never called “extreme right” until it was convenient, as so were incorrectly, were the big government neoconservatives.
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5 Nov 12 at 10:35 am
Single payer health is the entitlement uber alles that differentiates modern democratic socialism and classical liberalism.
It’s the character rotting big government ‘reform’.
The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen meme primarily refers to the contracted character of the citizen in leftist states.
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 10:35 am
candy
How much more public information do you want?
Everyone knows what is good and bad for you (at a basic level). Anyone can go to a public library, school or uni and search for health issues on publicly subsidised internet service provision.
What matters is incentives and cultural attitudes.
Medicare creates moral hazard.
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5 Nov 12 at 10:37 am
Lurker (nee Blogstrop)
“They win”??
Thats their aim.
Just a small sample of whats wrong today.
We’ll fight them on the beaches, fight them in our blogs, we cannot give up.
I might be a bit clumsy in expressing myself but we can’t loose ya dude.
Rudiau
5 Nov 12 at 10:38 am
What, like on abortion and the contraception mandate? That’s a funny suggestion.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 10:42 am
That’s what any “conservative catholic” lying leftist fuckwit would say
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 10:44 am
Good to hear you’ve had a good experience. I am comparing the NHS as it provides a good contrast.
In my view this is not a trap. I am interested in hearing your opinion as our health system (which is in my opinion a better balance the UK) has evolved through the policies of both parties.
Considering the limited resources of every government. Where is the point where the services to a patient who is moving to the palliative area of care should no longer be provided?
Who should have the power to decide?
Token
5 Nov 12 at 10:46 am
Come back Blogstrop and I won’t call you Jockstrap if you don’t revile me.Lurking is not good for one.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 10:49 am
Since 1980, US federal spending on health care (or sick care, whichever way you like to look at it) has been on a 9.4% compound growth curve. GDP, productivity, nothing else matches this. There will be an inevitable point where medical care can no longer be afforded.
System perturbations like Sandy may one day be a trigger event. Those living through it in a NY hospital bed might already think so. Hospitals with allegedly protected power supplies for example had black outs. What would be the outcome for patients on life-support ? Supposedly protected power is gold-plated, yet they failed. How much do you spend on such a low frequency event ? How much do you pay people to proactively test them when you’ve had a week’s warning of an approaching frankenstorm ?
Keith
5 Nov 12 at 10:51 am
Once again you don’t define the right, you just throw it out as an ad hom.
Stve, you’ve never explained why employers must be compelled to provide health care services they have a moral basis against.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 10:53 am
Speaking of extremism, didn’t that whole ‘war on women’ turn out well? Sandra Fluke in the carpark of the Reno Sak ‘n Save addressing 8 street people.
C.L.
5 Nov 12 at 10:55 am
I think I can safely say the revulsion of you is blog wide.
Cachau bant pen pidyn
Rudiau
5 Nov 12 at 10:55 am
The people who voted for Obama in ’08 and are voting for Romney in ’12 just want him to be a competent manager (unlike Obama), who focuses on jobs, jobs, jobs (unlike Obama), with the ability and experience to reach across the aisle and put in place important legislation (unlike Obama).
They’d like an end of the race-baiting and politics of envy.
Its not that hard to understand.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 10:58 am
When did they make that statment? A quote or reference would be great.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 11:07 am
lol. Understatement of the year that.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 11:10 am
The GOP don’t appeal to the moral majority on abortion. Ryan said he won’t try to ban it. They appeal to libertarians, who favour choice and people paying for things out of their own pocket.
Steve. Fail.
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5 Nov 12 at 11:12 am
I think you’re having a lend, dot.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 11:16 am
I think I’m rather glad to see SFB back at the Cat.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 11:18 am
Here’s the reason why only 9% of Australians “support” in Romney.
An exercise in partisan, slobbering, narrative fabrication: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/mitt-romney-is-now-a-campaign-car-crash/story-fnddckzi-1226510164842
Look at the contrasts in photos. Look at the contrast in descriptions of the candidates.
Then get to the bottom and look and the fakery of the “disinterested” observer is torn off to reveal…the joker:
Complete narrative fabrication, a complete distortion of reality for Australian readers. And this partisan, snarky, drivel is in an allegedly “right wing” newspaper.
Vomitous.
twostix
5 Nov 12 at 11:18 am
That’s a bit of a naive view. Ryan wouldn’t try to ban it directly, just that Romney/Ryan would make sure that the next the next supreme court justice that they appoint supports the banning of abortion.
Chris
5 Nov 12 at 11:21 am
Allow me to weigh into the health issue here, without trying to make the thread all about me.
Heart problems, and in a potentially fatal rhythm, got myself to the local hospital. One VF arrest later, the staff managed to cardiovert me back into a proper rhythm. Treating doc wanted to transfer me to large regional centre for definitive care. The reply? “We can’t do anything for him here, he can die in your facility just as easily as in ours.”
Transferred to private hospital – they used the same equipment that was available in the public system, put in pacemaker and defibrillator, and now Winston is home resting and will be back at work in two weeks.
I have no time for bitterness, but plenty of time for contempt for the public system.
Winston Smith
5 Nov 12 at 11:34 am
November surprise: EPA planning major post-election anti-coal regulation
Is there any doubt these duplicitous fascists do not need congress to impose environmental standards.
Hope this goes viral.
Rudiau
5 Nov 12 at 11:34 am
Dear Ridiau,
When I first started on this blog someone said that using a foreign language to build the force of comment
was an inanity.
However as my older brother lived for a long time near Bangor in North Wales I can report to you that telling me to “F**k off d******D” in clumsy Welsh is also a waste of time.
I can only relate to you a piece of advice that my mother told me.
“Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a Thief”
Not all Welshmen are the equal of Robert Owen – The Founder of Socialism, The Most Popular Man in Europe of his time.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 11:36 am
Winston Smith.The doctor that said that should be “struck off” under any system.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 11:40 am
The poor man’s Jabba (no not Mrs Magoo), Farr Out seems to have been kidnapped and forced to reveal his password to a non-partisan journalist over on The Punch. Wonder where they managed to find one of those?
Could Mr Kate Ellis have phoned in sick today?
This 50:50 Newspoll bulldust seems to be losing favour against the realisation that Labor start the next election with the loss of between four and six seats before a ball has been bowled.
H B Bear
5 Nov 12 at 11:42 am
Our increasingly precious, censorious world…?
Or: Finally – somebody tells it like it is re washed up soccer poof David Beckham:
Note the now familiar modus operandi. Nobody in the real world – in any real numbers – gives a shit but a media organisation uses ‘social media’ comments to create a ‘backlash’ etc.
C.L.
5 Nov 12 at 11:51 am
Wow, if they win, Romney/Ryan can trace their victory to Obama/Biden losing focus on jobs by changing healthcare.
Considering fixing Obamacare & focusing on jobs, jobs, jobs, there is little to no chance Romney/Ryan will get SCOTUS to change Roe v Wade.
I think you’ve been drinking the Obama Kool-aid Chris.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 11:51 am
That mendacious deceitful leftist shittery usually emanates from liar-steve™
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 11:55 am
The moral majority is now the actual majority.
Most Americans now oppose abortion on demand and most rejcted Obama’s failed contraception stunt (excepting the street people of Reno).
So the GOP does and should appeal to them.
C.L.
5 Nov 12 at 11:56 am
He’ll come back when the Dogshit’s Uncle and Toolman trolls are fucked off by the owners.
Tom
5 Nov 12 at 11:59 am
Blogstrop, don’t be a lurker. Your comments are good. Just do what I do now – certain persons/bloggers are unpersons, and are just ignored unless someone else posts something worth responding to.
Time is too short to waste on trolls.
Winston Smith
5 Nov 12 at 12:00 pm
Blogstrop is a petulant Thread Nazi for whom each and every day is ruined when he sees a contrary opinion expressed here and is outraged that the opinion holder is not immediately banned.
He should not return until he can stop complaining about that.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 12:08 pm
I’ve missed your type of Nanny lectures, SFB.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 12:09 pm
Teachers are obsolete…
Earlier this year, OLPC workers dropped off closed boxes containing the tablets, taped shut, with no instruction. “I thought the kids would play with the boxes. Within four minutes, one kid not only opened the box, found the on-off switch … powered it up. Within five days, they were using 47 apps per child, per day. Within two weeks, they were singing ABC songs in the village, and within five months, they had hacked Android,” Negroponte said. “Some idiot in our organization or in the Media Lab had disabled the camera, and they figured out the camera, and had hacked Android.”
Forester
5 Nov 12 at 12:10 pm
Of course Beckham is no intellectual giant. But he can do this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adYgHunQEl0
Rococo Liberal
5 Nov 12 at 12:19 pm
As economical with the truth as Steve from Brisbane is:
Sounds like the ethics at the ALPBC.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 12:20 pm
You can’t spend five seconds on Twitter without hearing some 20 something pop-leftist refer to something as being gay.
It’s a quite problematic that these two minute hate sessions based on such breathtaking hypocritical personal behaviour are being so well rewarded.
twostix
5 Nov 12 at 12:21 pm
As my former trading assistant, I taught John well. He obviously grew up to be a gentleman like his former boss.
Another thing I can be proud of in life. I helped a PM how to communicate
JC
5 Nov 12 at 12:24 pm
Are you feeling alright, Gab?
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 12:24 pm
Key now needs to tell these morons to fuck right off.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 12:25 pm
You’ll never know, Stevie.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 12:26 pm
Blog strop.
Dude if it helps I’ll try and persuade the blog owner to get rid of the leftist rabble. You’re right of course super sized rats like Stepford, Hagus, kero boy and other asorted vermin should have been blog exterminated ages ago.
The blog owner has a weak spot… obviously and he needs to toughen up.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 12:28 pm
Forester – they have some OLPC laptops distributed in remote communities in Australia too. One of the great things about the OLPC strategy is rather than using Windows or other closed source operating systems , they use Open Source/Free software and include the source code with the machines they distribute.
So children can not only use the software, but also learn how the software works and as their skills increase tailor it to their own needs. Meanwhile in our schools we push Windows/Apple and other proprietary software which does little to enable students to learn how the tools they use work. And makes them dependent on these companies to create the software they will need in the future rather than give them the skills which would enable them to modify and create their own.
Chris
5 Nov 12 at 12:30 pm
Heh. Somehow, I don’t imagine Catallaxy being the sort of place that Open Source gets welcomed with open arms. Too socialist.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 12:31 pm
Hey SFB, as gillard’s fashion advisor how do you think gillard would look in stripes? Good, yeah?
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 12:40 pm
Wasn’t it good seeing Julia having a good laugh at Greg Combet’s Spring Racing Carnival routine in Parliament last week. She looked relaxed and comfortable.
It looked like Malcolm took it in good humour. Julie the Android Bishop tried to ignore it.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 12:43 pm
Steve – yea, there’s been accusations in the past, especially by large commercial software firms that Open Source/Free Software is a communist plot
But these days there are lot of large companies who are involved with Open Source software because they’ve recognised that deep cooperation can at times yield better and cheaper results than competition will. And if you’re primary goal isn’t to sell software but to use it as a tool (eg. the vast majority) then why do you care if its free?
Now even Microsoft pays people to work on Open Source projects where their contributions are free for anyone to use and build on.
Chris
5 Nov 12 at 12:43 pm
Of course we like Open Source, unlike the Trade Union Party’s or Liberal’s(sic) serial cockups we’re not forced to pay for it.
c.f. NBN
Forester
5 Nov 12 at 12:43 pm
And as much as Bolt likes to do his AbbottAbbottAbbott shtick, it’s funny how he doesn’t notice that he’s been on a “what GillardGillardGillard did 18 years ago” bender for 12 months or so with no sign of a let up.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 12:46 pm
Sure was. (20 sec mark onwards)
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 12:46 pm
You moron, there is not greater example of the power of a free market than the ability of open source to provide solutions.
Anyone that understand the underlying concepts of Classical Liberalism would konw that.
Pity you guys troll about things you don’t understand.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 12:53 pm
Guys, SoB’s frilly knickers are in a twist again.
Bolt must have hit the target with the evidence Gillard mislead parliament.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 12:56 pm
We ought to have a couple of days of culling. Only using knives and butcher’s cleavers.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 12:57 pm
FMD… even by ‘conservative catholic’ abortion-advocate liar-steve™’s pathetically lowbrow norms that was woeful
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 1:02 pm
A woman who has a backside like Makybe Diva’s and a head like a beaten favourite shouldn’t be laughing at that sort of thing.
As a horse, Gillard would have been shot years ago. Slow, bad confirmation and never dropped a foal. At best you might be able to flog her off to some peasant Frenchman to use in cheap sausages.
Infidel Tiger
5 Nov 12 at 1:04 pm
I’m sure there has been a highly suspicious critique of Open Source here in years gone past.
Now that a couple of you have gotten used to it, it just goes to show the creeping success of the collectivist approach over the Randian view which would have kissed the ground that Steve Jobs walked on (while also wondering what it would be like if he was really forceful in bed*.)
* last point reserved for Gab.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 1:05 pm
Don’t take that the wrong way Gab – just mocking the Randian view of sex, and assuming you may be the only female here of a quasi Randian persuasion.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 1:07 pm
Seriously Chris, do you know what a Joint Venture is? You really don’t understand how dynamic capitalism is, do you?
Companies developing under Open Source respect property rights. They can build and license IP. Many use the flexibility to corale their IP and build sections of code which are open and able to be modified.
So far even the EU has not been able to f**k this free market with property rights up.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 1:07 pm
Crowds attending Mitt event at Shady Brook Farm . Morrisville, PA Sunday 4th Nov.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 1:10 pm
Video: Romney and Ryan even in Colorado.
Romney: Paul and I can handle two more weeks of attacks but I don’t think America can handle four more years like the last four years.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 1:15 pm
That’s what I meant C.L.
They are not kowtowing to a minority but economics is the issue of the day.
Steve thinks people care about free contraception like he is some Indian despot like Indira Ghandi.
What a turkey.
.
5 Nov 12 at 1:15 pm
IT, Dr Turf rang Gamblers Helpline to ask if Dunaden could win with 59.
Tom
5 Nov 12 at 1:16 pm
event
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 1:16 pm
I for one hope that, if Obama wins, his inauguration parade will be lead by a team of young women led by Sandra Fluke throwing free condoms and packs of the Pill into the crowd.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 1:21 pm
I nearly got the verbs right. Sorry.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 1:22 pm
It is a bit different from you standard joint venture though in that anyone is free to participate (not just companies). And not only is the end product free, but the source code is also freely available so anyone else can further modify or build upon it without having to pay anything.
I guess it’d be like coke and pepsi getting together to design a new cola. They’d both produce it but they’d also release all the instructions so anyone else could also make it without having to pay them for the rights.
For true Open Source projects (especially Free Software ones) when companies contribute code they also agree not to charge licensing fees for any relevant patents they hold for the use of that software or any derivatives (and when anyone can modify the software that pretty much means for any use). So yes, companies do respect IP and file patents for Open Source software (I have a few myself), but its essentially a defensive measure – file a patent not because you want to license it for use in Open Source software, but to stop someone else patenting it and preventing you from using your own idea. And you can still of course charge a licensing fee if someone wants to use the idea in proprietary software.
Chris
5 Nov 12 at 1:22 pm
A quick thought on lifestyle choices, in the Hun today there’s a small article where the anti-smoking crusaders have decided to target pregnant women. Apparently they need to be educated.
This takes me back a about a week and a discussion here on the nature of ‘choice’ in the world of pregnant women and the question about what sort of autonomy a woman has when she can kill her baby pretty much any time up until birth, but if she smokes she gets harassed about it.
Maybe she can tell the anti-smoking nazis that she’s working on a slo-mo abortion to get them off her case.
Presumably, given the ways that abortions can be carried out, this should be a legitimate means of offing your offspring.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 1:23 pm
Dogshit, can you masterbate somewhere else in your raincoat, you disgusting old perv?
Tom
5 Nov 12 at 1:26 pm
Exactly. What shits me is that sfb will never bother to learn anything about what he is arguing against.
Dangph
5 Nov 12 at 1:27 pm
History says no.
History also said that a Marxist dog eater couldn’t be elected US President twice and that looks like happening as well.
Infidel Tiger
5 Nov 12 at 1:33 pm
Chris, it is good to see you do understand open source.
Nothing you have said there is socialist, it fundementally is built about property rights, though the cost/benefit equation means people choose to apply different grades of rights.
I know organisations that started where you are, then put higher levels of control once the cost/benefit equation required it.
This is s truly free market at work.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 1:36 pm
Another shot at Shady Brook Farm, PA of crowds at Mitt’s event.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 1:41 pm
Maybe there’s nothing else to do on a Sunday night in Shady Brook Farm, Gab.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 1:43 pm
I suspect so, SFB given it’s a farm. However I doubt all those people actually live on the farm.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 1:44 pm
Obama’s America.
Infidel Tiger
5 Nov 12 at 1:49 pm
Dang he thinks, and says he’s the teacher here. Why would he need to learn anything ?
Keith
5 Nov 12 at 1:55 pm
Damn, ailin’ knows how to google.
More intelligent than I thought.
No, I lie.
Owens was an anti-religious utopian socialist.
I can see how this man would be a socialist/communist pinup boy, even Engels loved him.
As has been said here:
This coupled with suggestion that one of our own attend a forum of bikies on a desert island (and there is no misinterpretation of the intent implied) is beyond the pale.
And your suggestion yesterday at corrupting enquiring young minds wrt profanities.
Again,
Cachau bant pen pidyn.
Rudiau
5 Nov 12 at 1:56 pm
Rudi, please learn to swear in an Asian language as per directive from Comrade gillard. Ta.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 1:59 pm
There are huge numbers of libertarian defences of the open source movement. There is a place for commercial and completely open software in the marketplace. Any sensible classical liberal embraces all of those possibilities.
I don’t know where anyone would get the idea that more choice in these matters is a bad thing.
tbh
5 Nov 12 at 2:05 pm
Why don’t the communists who invented it commercialise Wikipedia.org instead of making it look like a half-arsed amateur factory second that fell off the back of a truck in the Soviet Union? Full of literals, mistruths and propaganda. Greatest waste if a business concept in 20 years.
Tom
5 Nov 12 at 2:14 pm
Wiki don’t get Government money and rely on coercion.
Hip hip hooray.
.
5 Nov 12 at 2:20 pm
Ni shi bang pui.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 2:28 pm
I happen to agree with you, there is no disagreement about your interpretation of an original misinterpretation and the intent implied. At that point in the game I was not even aware that Gabby was a woman. But I agree ignorance is little or no defense. I already made an apology, which I may say was quite crudely rejected. Maybe if the Cats used a name that indicated gender, I wouldn’t be so stupid as to insult someone that uses the coarse vernacular like a seasoned sailor and poses as a liberal(in the best sense) thinker.. Mia Culpa.
However anybody that could think this was ok in a reference to any human let alone The Prime Minister,the first woman to achieve that high station
must have a view of Humanity that is fairly psychotic.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 2:39 pm
Yes. Libertarianism is all about voluntary collaboration by individuals. Open source is very much in the spirit of libertarianism.
Dangph
5 Nov 12 at 2:42 pm
This is not good.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 2:42 pm
You have no interest in this blog except to troll it. Youn are vermin. Fuck off.
Tom
5 Nov 12 at 2:43 pm
Heh. Reports that people wanting to leave Romney’s freezing cold rally (due to silly little things like – their kids risking hypothermia) were prevented.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 2:44 pm
I think you mean youse not youn tommy. Is that a name of male or female gender, tommy, I would hate to be rude to a Lady.That’s what you sund like.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 2:48 pm
Yeah right.
.
5 Nov 12 at 2:48 pm
Heh. I remember Alan Jones calling the office of the “prime minister”, and I use that term loosely given the incumbent, who wouldn’t take his calls and just ignored his requests to apologise. I guess some soft-headed types would say his apologies were “crudely rejected” in which case the lying slapper and I see eye to eye…apparently.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 2:52 pm
Maybe he meant to say that you and yourn are vermin.
Dangph
5 Nov 12 at 2:53 pm
Okay youse have forced a reprise.
I do so hope Obama wins,
I couldn’t stand the shiny twins
That came uninvited to my door
And Mormoned me down to the floor.
Missionarys of any sort
Do NOT do God’s work, I won’t be bought,
By promises of after life.
I don’t want to go I’ll miss the wife.
But I might become a a later version,
Change my mind a post death conversion.
This seems to be a lot of rot,
But I really don’t care a lot.
I just hope Obama wins,
And rids us of those pushy twins.
Apologies to Shakespeare a poor attempt at a sonnet.
At least it had the required 14 lines.
Alxx
alan
5 Nov 12 at 2:59 pm
Gabby, thank you for referring to me as Prime Ministerial Material.
I will do my best to carry your recommendation to the others on this site.
And if Alan Jones calls me to apologize I will tell him all about what you said.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 3:05 pm
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 3:06 pm
(reported on ABC online news Nov 1st 2012)
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 3:11 pm
Gab, lol.
ailin’
Gab has pointed out to you, your familiarity is unwelcome.
So it OK if one of the boys recieves the treatment courtesy of the bikies.
Rudiau
5 Nov 12 at 3:11 pm
Alan as you appear to be too dim-witted to address me by my name as shown on-screen, expect to be continually ignored.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 3:12 pm
oops b-quote fail.
Rudiau
5 Nov 12 at 3:13 pm
Yeah private individuals voluntarily working together under private terms of agreement completely unregulated and across borders is “socialist”.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong oh resident wrongoligist?
twostix
5 Nov 12 at 3:15 pm
You made me do it again.
On your own heads be it.
There stands Tony’ arms Akimbo
Shouting out”You ranger Bimbo,
You let your father die of shame,
To you, life or death is all the same.
I don’t know why you take on so,
Be a man soak up the blow.
Then you’ll see, you’ll get the gist,
I am a damned Misogynist.
You knew that when you took my job
That I’d become a bigger knob.
Just give in and let me rule,
I’ll show you that I’m not a fool.
Policies I haven’t many,
Those I have, I stole from Johnny,
Turn some boats and sink the rest,
I think you’ll find that this is best.”
Ask yourselves the Question. Did Johnny only win because Peter Reith lied about the Babies overboard.
And took a blow for the team. Now Career over dumped by Tony. he is reduced to being a commentator on the drum
alan
5 Nov 12 at 3:19 pm
Oh those people who make “reports” from Republican events, always lacking a phone with a camera, perhaps they should ask Obama for one of the free ones he’s giving out.
twostix
5 Nov 12 at 3:20 pm
What? In this day and age no pictures, no videos?
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 3:25 pm
For anyone who is still interested in punting on the US election Sportingbet have half a dozen or so swing state bets.
Wisconsin -Ryan’s home state- is at $4 on the Republicans taking it which seems like a fair proposition to me.
DaveF
5 Nov 12 at 3:26 pm
The socialist/communist accusations (which are very real, just do a bit of googling to find them) against Open Source software probably stem from software licenses like the GPL. These sorts of licenses require that if you take some GPL’d source code, modify it and then sell a program containing it (which you are allowed to do) then you also have to release the source code of your modifications. And depending on how its linked to any of your other software, also release the source code to that as well. You also have to permit them to further redistribute the source code to whoever they want if they so wish.
This requirement is there so whoever you sell your software to is also make modifications, or get someone else to do it for them and are not reliant on only you in the future. This kind of “forced” sharing brings up the claims of socialism and communism. But the reality is that no one is forced to use open source software, you can always write your own, its just a lot easier to reuse well established and maintained code.
Chris
5 Nov 12 at 3:29 pm
On the car radio about an hour ago.
To the best of my recollection.
“Turnbull more popular with Liberal voters than Abbott”
Abbott response: “Malcolm’s popularity is due to the really good job he doing as the shadow minister for communications.”
Good boy, placate the media then sack his a*rse after the elections.
Rudiau
5 Nov 12 at 3:34 pm
lol.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 3:36 pm
Panthers beat Redskins!
Romney wins!
Infidel Tiger
5 Nov 12 at 3:39 pm
No of course not. even Bikies have some taste.
Gab I’ll meet you half way. Your name on the blog is Gab.
Roy Rogers had an offsider that was called Gabby (Gab)
Hayes. He had a predilection for chewing tobacco and drank whiskey from a bottle.
The little picture next to your name is of a man. Wayne Swan I think. Maybe not. You could at least concede that I thought you were a man by the evidence
presented.
I will say once again that I had no intention of suggesting that you should have an encounter of any kind with bikies other than neither of you seem to want to live by the laws that are passed for our protection.
I’m sorry that you took it that way, but I don’t really think that you did.It was a fairly sharp way of teaching me a lesson. Did it work? Who knows.
Let this be an end to it.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 3:40 pm
What an excellent response by Tony Abbott. Positive about M. Turnbull, but just ever so very slightly putting him in his place. A nice edgy answer!
candy
5 Nov 12 at 3:40 pm
True, Candy.
btw, am still laughing about Rudi’s excellent comment.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 3:44 pm
Greetings all.
I would like to unreservedly apologise to all friendly Cats for my inexcusable indulgence of the controversial scottish pensioner, currently assailing this blog with more of his shockingly bad poetry.
It will not happen again.
Rabz
5 Nov 12 at 3:44 pm
What an omen. It is written now.
Washington is going crazy. I can hear the screaming from the Dept of Education & State from here.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 3:46 pm
You’re adorable, Rabz.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 3:46 pm
No, I think Catallaxy should convert to an all poetry format tout suite.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 3:48 pm
Sounds like the property rights are clear. Have you ever tried to get something manufactured in China? Its kinda like that.
Token
5 Nov 12 at 3:49 pm
But Rabz, I’m devastated I only did it for you.
No more cosy cultural experiences for us.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 3:50 pm
There once was a poet from Nantucket…
Infidel Tiger
5 Nov 12 at 3:54 pm
Who liked to think he was a prophet…
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 3:56 pm
As usual no, just “reports” which turn out to be four tweets from two of the most unknown and unhinged Journolistas.
twostix
5 Nov 12 at 3:58 pm
Here’s one of mine, also very bad:
There once was a blogger called Rabz
Who had style, wit and pizazz
It was Alan’s poetry he liked
But only for one night
And then Rabz came to earth with a …
can’t get the last word, sorry.
candy
5 Nov 12 at 4:00 pm
You do not even have the beginning of an idea of what a sonnet is, Alan.
Blogstrop, if you are lurking, know that I feel your pain at reading Alan’s doltish works and their juvenile aspirations.
“Shall I compare him to a broken toe?
He is more lowly and disfiguring”
Work on that, Alan. Your sonnet portrait in the third person.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
5 Nov 12 at 4:06 pm
There once was a blogger called Rabz
Who had style, wit and pizzabz
He gave Alan leeway
To get on Cat’s freeway
Now all Alan can do is blabzzzzz.
Finished it for you, Candy.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
5 Nov 12 at 4:15 pm
Thanks ladies.
Rabz
5 Nov 12 at 4:31 pm
What Gab said.
I’ll be watching QandA tonight. Not sure about the level of sobriety, though.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 4:36 pm
“Shall I compare him to a broken Toe,
Or may hap to a festering heel,
That in itself does not quite scan
But does in Fleasys vapid grasp
Slip from his fingers, broken Man
Will he no longer Jump the Jump,
Walk the walk or Hump the Hump.
It would seem the waywards road
Is to slide and slip like the the Slithy Toad
That Gired and Gimbled in the Fen
That has brought the end of better men.
Or perhaps the wound may heal,
Renewed and skipping like a lamb
Fleasy from the bog may spring
Ah! Young Lizzie the plays the thing.
I’m not so good at writing odes
So a better future is all that Bodes.
Oh dear! You are right Lizzie, I wouldn’t know my ode from my Woad.
(Woad a Celtic, Blue Coloring, that my forebears were wont to assume before a Haggis Bash)
alan
5 Nov 12 at 4:43 pm
“Finished it for you, Candy.”
Thanks, Lizie, easy for you but i would have been stuck for an hour so thought it’d best to leave it undone.
candy
5 Nov 12 at 4:46 pm
Lizzie, sorry, spelt it wrong. I’m so used to putting Elizabeth.
candy
5 Nov 12 at 4:47 pm
The horror…
Rabz
5 Nov 12 at 4:48 pm
Come on Rabz, it was my worst effort yet. and sponsored by Elizabeth(Lizzie) b. Who needs you anymore?
alan
5 Nov 12 at 5:03 pm
DD:
OK, fair enough! I do regard him as a troll of the bog-standard left-wing-disruption type with a marginal twist in that he masks himself behind a veil of guff. Hence my actions. I believe that Alan may well be the troll who Sinc banned some time ago for a vicious and near-criminally actionable threat to Lizzie.
Using the left’s standard attack methodology against them is really quite effective. Look at this truly remarkable pig-squeal from Tillers:
He truly does not enjoy being treated as leftists like him routinely treat others. The poor diddums.
You’ll note, DD, that I have pretty serious disagreements with many here, CL and yourself among them. I certainly don’t treat you guys like trolls – you aren’t in any way, shape or form and like most others understand and participate in civil discourse. I have agreed to disagree with many here, CL most often, I think.
Mk50 of Brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 5:04 pm
I will admit to one or two irrational actions early on in my career as a contributor, the flack and abuse sent me to the edge of good behavior.
But a leopard may be able to change his spots.
I do not abuse anybody, I do not use coarse words. I have apologized many times for my early indirections, my language is on occasions rather florid, but my intentions are to have a free discussion without all the bullying I have observed on this blog from almost all of you to any body at all that is not within your forelock touching circle. Do not see this as a sign of weakness, but more a desire to introduce another view point however distasteful you may find it.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 5:17 pm
Another 40 years of constant practice and Alan will be right up there with William McGonagall as a poet, only without McGonagall’s unintentional humour.
Mk50 of Brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 5:28 pm
Lefty morons attack disabled in pointless guesture. Here is ananymous crowing over their stupidity:
People try to tell them all they did is hit a charity:
Token
5 Nov 12 at 5:30 pm
At the moment he’s currently up there with Lawsy and the Vogons…
Rabz
5 Nov 12 at 5:31 pm
I have never tried to hide myself from anybody. Thank you dd for a try at this blog.
I repeat. I am an Australian citizen of Scottish blood who is on a part pension after 52 years of unbroken employment 43 of them in Oz. I have lived in this country for more years than some of you have been alive. I see no merit in the lack of respect that is shown to someone who want’s to continue as a Citizen of some worth.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 5:33 pm
Hey Rabz, those Vogons are BRILLIANT.
How come you never thought to mention them before.
And MK 4.5 here’s a sample of my humor.
” Is that a Torpedo in you mouth or are you just pleased to see me”?
alan
5 Nov 12 at 5:40 pm
The property rights are very clear and are legally enforced when people try to get away with it (quite a few companies have tried do so). Copyright is used to enforce them. But it doesn’t stop people (primarily those invested or representing companies who make a lot of money out of selling software) labelling them socialist/communist.
Interesting to see you compare it communist China though
Anyway I agree that the comments that there are some parallels with libertarianism.
Chris
5 Nov 12 at 5:51 pm
Good Lord, Nilk! You must imbibe, One cannot possibly watch Q&A sober!!!
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 5:59 pm
I was talking with some Sth African friends who told me that there’s a great doco/flim out called Searching For Sugarman.
I recalled this song growing from this dude.” I Wonder” was a really good song. I always thought it was Bob Dylan for some reason.
Funny how he was supposed to strike it big in The US, never did but was huge with the kids in South africa in the 70′s.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 6:02 pm
I’ve seen that doco JC, it’s fantastic. I bought a couple of Rodriguez albums on vinyl ages ago (played one of them to death during a tragic break-up). He was pretty big in Australia too, and has played the Byron Bay Blues Festival a couple of times recently. Saw him there in 2010. Nice guy. Pretty philosophical about the whole “what coulda bin” thing.
Mad Punter
5 Nov 12 at 6:08 pm
I’m going to go see it. These Sth African friends told me about it and also an American friend told us last week when we were there.
What an incredible story.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 6:12 pm
Punter:
It’s also incredible who his music got into Australia.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 6:13 pm
It is an amazing story. You might like to read this article. I love the fact that he worked in the construction industry, fed his family and now finally is getting some rewards for what is some pretty amazing music. Life can be weird.
Mad Punter
5 Nov 12 at 6:16 pm
The storyline is intriguing, JC. Have checked out the trailer.
lol sounds like it’s being narrated by Sinclair.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 6:18 pm
Great quote from Rodriquez on his life: “You can’t linger too much on your decisions, so yes, I chose to face reality,” he said. “I’m a family person, and you make those choices. You have to embrace it, my father used to say. You don’t hold it over there, where it can hurt you. There’s no shame in hard work.”
But tell me, how did his music get to Australia?
Mad Punter
5 Nov 12 at 6:21 pm
Hey Alan, that Ode was an improvement. Surprising. Not good, but a bit better. Poetry however is not really your metier, is it?
I hope you are not THAT Alan, or if so, a totally reformed version. Mostly you will be ignored here at the Cat because your contributions are limited to bad poetry and worse political views. Get used to it.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
5 Nov 12 at 6:22 pm
Someone sent the records over here. However his career was already DOA in the US by the time his music reached us from what i head from our friends.
A truly amazing story, Punter.
I know all the old songs really well from having heard them being played over the radio when I was kid.
The dude sounds like a kind of really special person. There’s supposed to be a concert in Melbourne but it’s sold out.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 6:32 pm
Stevie, I think you’re right. Horizontal stripes not a good look for your Julia. How about arrows? Might suit her physique better.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 6:42 pm
Q&A tonight, a US Election special:
Chris Matthews, talking about how special Barack Obama is, how he was sent from somewhere else, by what Abraham Lincoln called the better angels of our nature; to heal the sick, stop the warming and put an end to poverty, illness, deprivation, mental pain and bad vibes of any kind; but yet, sadly, how misunderstood he is; and that, incredibly, there are even ungrateful traitors in an undeserving nation who would spurn him and the love and healing he was sent to dispense;
Maureen Dowd, talking about how journalism and objectivity simply have to be dispensed with when dealing with a Jedi of hope and love and peace, shining with the light of what humanity could be, and how the true calling of journalists is actually to stress that 24 hours a day, such that none can doubt it;
Rachel Maddow, on how an evil Mormon conspiracy to take over the US and have the entire free world wearing hair-shirts and taking six wives and generally preparing for the time when Jesus comes to Earth and the Mormon Church shall take control of the government and the Mormons shall be the government of God on Earth;
Ed Schulz, on how behind that Mormon front is an even worse and kookier group, the Tea Party, dedicated to placing black people back into indentured servitude on cotton plantations, sending uneducated white children up chimneys or into domestic service, denying 35-year-old perpetual students access to $4 packs of condoms and killing old people; and
Tanya Plibersek, talking about Tony Abbott’s relentless negativity, and the blatant misogyny of him taking his two beautiful daughters to Flemington for Derby Day and making them dress attractively and alluringly, all the better for his fellow misogynists to ogle and leer at them in a revolting and patriarchal manner.
James in Melbourne
5 Nov 12 at 6:50 pm
Thanks a bunch, James! Please use “Spoiler Alert” in future
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 6:53 pm
James
They will also have The Krugster on telling everyone how stupid they are for even thinking the Romnster could even plausibly win.
Tanya Plibersek agrees with him and suggests Emily’s list supports that proposition.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 6:57 pm
Wha…!?
If this is a genuine representation of trends, my feeling that the Preshizzle (Paco™) will squeak back in on the back of an all-out voter fraud campaign might well be wrong.
Hope some of Shitfer’s wrongology rubs off on me in this solitary regard…..
Mk50 of Brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 6:59 pm
On ABC PM tonight they breathlessly reported that one of the clowns that wrote the thoroughly discredited Limits To Growth in the 70s is still flogging that dead horse and has written another one: 2052 – A Global Forecast for the Next Forty Years.
Jorgen Randers I salute you for riding the wave of leftism as it swelled through the institutions.
Oh, by the way, the new limit to growth is global warming which China due to it’s ‘special’ political system will manage better than the US, whose lunch China will eat.
No transcript as yet. Not worth reading anyway.
DaveF
5 Nov 12 at 7:00 pm
I think you are right, Rabz.
There’s many a lesson there in Vogon poetry which Al can use to improve his own!
Mk50 of Brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 7:04 pm
Thank you, James. Brilliant as always. Perhaps next week’s Q&A will feature the editor of the New York Times on crutches after having a hot poker rammed up his botty by the owners’ representatives at this Wednesday night’s editorial conference for destroying the company’s credibility.
Tom
5 Nov 12 at 7:05 pm
And I forgot, Andrew Sullivan is also appearing on Q&A tonight via video link, to talk about how it is inconceivable that Barack Obama could lose, such an intellectual titan, let alone such a steely physique, such a coiled musculature that invites lingering tactile exploration; those buttocks tighter than the Ohio race; that hawk-eyed gaze, that just needs the ministrations of an expert to lose its rapier-like intensity and become clouded with wantonness; and those forearms, upon which a sheen of sweat would gather like the tears of angels, that six-pack, which WARNING: CONTENT REDACTED
James in Melbourne
5 Nov 12 at 7:06 pm
So, as I understand it, there will be no conservatives on the Q&A show that Jones leads? Another truly balanced episode.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 7:08 pm
That would be Andrew Sullivan who registered at GayFinder (or some such site) with the nick RawMusclGlutes ?
DaveF
5 Nov 12 at 7:11 pm
James – you left out Chris Matthews, who explains in detail what a nice crease Ogabe has in his pants followed by a detailed analysis of the tingle up his leg.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 7:14 pm
Gab, HIA just arrived home and I read him James’ spoiler piece. Da Ape says the one positive thing is that they will not change a single vote in the US election. He is mildly optimistic of a Romney win, due to early voting trends out of Ohio looking good. ABC News now says Obama winning in ‘battleground states’. De’re makin’ it up, Lizzie, says the Ape, scratching his head in complete amazement.
It’s what dey do, he concludes, getting more and more Irish in his disgust.
But how sick-making that Q and A sounds.
—-
Alan, I have been thinking that you cannot really be THAT Alan of past ill-fame some months ago, because he couldn’t have written a poem at all, whereas your last ode makes quite a promising start. The other Alan was a brutal and devious thug and I would hate to tar you with that brush. You seem like a nicer and more gentle sort of chap, even tho’ a troll.
You take care on dat internet, Lizzie, says HIA. You are a bit too trusting sometimes. I hope not.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
5 Nov 12 at 7:16 pm
Emily’s Listers will not be happy with this years misogynistic Melbourne Cup.
One 5yo mare entrant.
12 stallions
11 geldings
More later.
Rudiau
5 Nov 12 at 7:18 pm
Sullivan????
I think, AdiposeTissueYak, is suitable.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 7:19 pm
Gotta love the HIA, Lizzie! Tell him he has a most excellent brogue and give him my best regards.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 7:20 pm
Don’t worry, Rudi, the Gal Queda will soon be announcing da quota for future Melb. Cup run.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 7:22 pm
Gab, I have my Chivas, and I am girding myself for the cesspit that is QandA. I have a mate in the audience tonight, so it will be fun if they get to ask a question.
I suspect they will, and if so it shall be most entertaining.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 7:29 pm
Yeah. I saw a link from AoSHQ to the entry a few years ago.
It’s scarred in my brain in a way only Colonel Kurtz would understand.
DaveF
5 Nov 12 at 7:30 pm
Gal-Qaeda – love it, Gab. (no U though, like Qantas).
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
5 Nov 12 at 7:33 pm
Q&A has a Perth special tonight.
And of course Bob Brown saw fit to turn up. That man’s carbon footprint is like a Yeti’s.
DaveF
5 Nov 12 at 7:33 pm
I thought the rancid douchebag retired. Doesn’t that mean no more media appearances?
Colin Barnett should have seen this as a possible ambush bush the ABC and told them to piss off after he found out the panel.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 7:40 pm
James, you are one sick, sick puppy, trying to get inside Sullivan’s perverted excuse for a brain like that.
Thank God you redacted when you did….
Nilk, rather you than me.
Mk50 of Brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 7:43 pm
Happy drinking, Nilk! Above and beyond the call of duty.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
5 Nov 12 at 7:43 pm
Be careful, Nilk. Chivas is a mean mother when she’s disrespected. Nectar of the gods, but consumption can go up under stress.
Tom
5 Nov 12 at 7:49 pm
Colin Barnett may have the Editor of the West Australian on side. And idea of their politics?
DaveF
5 Nov 12 at 7:50 pm
I’ll be bringing the Baille Nichol Jarvie.
Between Bob Brown, a former ALP flunky and the ‘Aboriginal’ woman the beer chasers are probably recommended.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 7:52 pm
The West Australian newspaper was lefty when I lived in Perth in the 90′s.
Actually not a bad rag.
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 7:53 pm
A lonely night for Colin then.
DaveF
5 Nov 12 at 7:56 pm
Will Snowcone ask Andrew Sullivan about his conspiracy theories about Palin’s baby and his vile commentary about the same?
Should we run a book on the odds?
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 7:56 pm
I don’t drink much any more, so one is enough, Tom, thanks.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 8:13 pm
It’s simply incredible that this creepy, mentally deranged sodomite gets a berth on the ABC as if he’s a normal, respectable person. He believes – and believes passionately – that Sarah Palin faked a pregnancy. This is no joke, no baroque sledge. He really and truly believes it.
C.L.
5 Nov 12 at 8:14 pm
And yet you wonder why he’s appearing on the ABC? He’s made for the ABC. Fits right in. It will be like homecoming week for him.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 8:17 pm
Mind you, I’m watching Australian Story at the moment, and I think I need another drink already.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 8:17 pm
The west is not left anymore, it was instrumental in bringing down the Carpenter Government. Carpenter hated the West with a passion, was pretty funny considering he was an ex journo himself.
Its owned by Stokes, and he’s a savvy enough businessman to known you don’t run a lefty rag in the nations bluest state.
They consistently run a lot of anti union articles too. Not hard to justify when you’ve got world class assholes running the CFMEU like Joe Mcdonald and that other fat cvnt Reynolds.
Jeremiah
5 Nov 12 at 8:19 pm
Does anyone remember who the creepy stalker was that moved next door to the Palins to ‘write’ his book?
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 8:25 pm
I don’t know who’s on but the teev guide says the title is “Dreams from my mother”. How trite. How very Obama. Is the show featuring Anita Heiss?
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 8:26 pm
No, it’s all about Diane Cilento. Luvvies In The Mist.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 8:27 pm
The West is still a leftist rag. Most of its content is sourced from Fairfax.
As for Kerry Stokes, he is an anti-American loon.
Infidel Tiger
5 Nov 12 at 8:31 pm
Leigh Sales breathlessly reporting the “St johns college” drama and insisting that she will get to the bottom of it in coming days. She is hopeless.
Tiny Dancer
5 Nov 12 at 8:42 pm
Here goes Lyn White again on 4 Corners re the live animal trade, this time Pakistan.
hzhousewife
5 Nov 12 at 8:44 pm
It’s usually a cancer survival story. The survivor then writes folk songs about poverty and rejection.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 8:44 pm
Infidel Tiger @2031,
And KS would have made a mint out of Caterpillar
Mike of Marion
5 Nov 12 at 8:44 pm
They could do one on the greens – gorillas in our midst.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 8:44 pm
Hello Cats
Alice
5 Nov 12 at 8:46 pm
Damn, Carpe, I nearly snorted my potato chips LOL!
JC, in this case they sang folk songs after she died of cancer. Maybe there’s something missing in me, but I just can’t get excited about a 600 seat theatre in a rainforest, although it does have a bar and a restaurant.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 8:47 pm
Hello JC – I have a whole new impression of you since you write those lovely things about wifey.
You are just a big softie JC.
Alice
5 Nov 12 at 8:49 pm
I do notice that at the moment it’s okay to rail against the live meat trade to islamic countries. I guess animals rank higher in victimhood poker.
/cynicism
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 8:49 pm
Oh god I thought Andrew Sullivan appearing was a joke of some sort. He’s on video link?
No I can’t believe it. There’s nothing on the Q&A site.
The bloke who moved in next door to Palin’s house was named Godfrey or Geoffrey or similar.
Fun fact: after she worked out the creepy predator next door Todd and his mates build a 13′ (I think-certainly nearly double sized) fence along the boundary in just a day.
DaveF
5 Nov 12 at 8:50 pm
Looks like a Barnett pile on. A labor ex-pollie, a whiteoriginal, and the editor of fairfax-lite. Not forgetting mad Bobbie, who will no doubt drone on about the Woodside project, again.
Keith
5 Nov 12 at 8:51 pm
I’m the soft touch romantic type, Alice. Always have been. I’m a little shocked you never saw that about me.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 8:52 pm
Nilk:
Lol.. I was right. There was the cancer angle and folk songs. I did miss the rain forest though. That’s a big miss on my part.
The ABC ought to get me to write the scripts. I’d be a natural at leftwing swill.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 8:54 pm
Yes, Nilk. Infanticide – cool, but animals are worth fighting for.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 8:55 pm
1000?
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 8:56 pm
YES!
I may not get first on an open thread, but I get to be one thousandth. Huzzah!
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 8:57 pm
I dunno IT, Paul Murray is definitely centre right and he’s their main columnist. Been a while since I’ve read the west properly but I’ve generally been pretty happy with their content.
Jeremiah
5 Nov 12 at 8:58 pm
Hi Gab – lovely to see you too.
Unfortunately I cant stay long tonight and certainly not long enough for that pesky kid Dot to come yapping at my heels wanting a “this is your life not by Dot” expose…!!
Alice
5 Nov 12 at 8:58 pm
Stay sane, Nilk.
Don’t be afraid to hit the off button if it all gets too much…
Rabz
5 Nov 12 at 8:59 pm
Maybe that’s Brown’s out for travelling across the country by jet.
He happened to be there protecting indigenous sacred sites, empowering our Fist Peoples.
And disenfranchising the abos who had the hide to prefer jobs to welfare.
He’s got this.
DaveF
5 Nov 12 at 8:59 pm
JC I didnt see it I must admit but Ive seen it now.
You were playing all tough and then you slipped!
No harm done at all.
Alice
5 Nov 12 at 9:00 pm
Hello, Alice. Crazy place here tonight, but am looking forward to Nilk’s drunkblogging Q&A. Should be a hoot.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 9:02 pm
Okay, on 4 Cornered. With the cull of sheep in Pakistan. Statement from Pakistani spokesman: It was supposed to be done humanely, the islamic way.
Considering the halal way involves no stunning, the animal facing Mecca and a prayer being said before a throat sliced.
They forgot the facing Mecca bit.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 9:03 pm
Hey all.
Can someone please point me to the discussion ( surely there was one ) on Catallaxy that looked at the US Presidential election from the perspective of ” Which party, Republican or Democrat, has policies that BENEFIT AUSTRALIA MOST ?? “.
After all, this is an Australian blog and the outcome affects us.
But how so?
Which President will most likely rid the world of US protectionist import quotas and unfair domestic subsidies ?
Which will represent a free market?
jumpnmcar
5 Nov 12 at 9:03 pm
Needless to say, the animals that were apparently diseased had samples sent to labs which came back negative for all sorts of nasty things.
And of course in such a situation, some animals survived the cull only be found and taken out of the pits and killed.
The only surprise is that people are surprised by this.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 9:08 pm
Jump, can’t locate the video but here’s the audio of Kevin Rudd you requested. Sorry.
Kevni is on around the half-way mark.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 9:08 pm
The bloke next door to Palin was McGinniss, and he had an interview with Annabel Crabbe a while ago, part of which can be seen here.
He does not appear to be a creepy stalker at all. He does really think the Palins are the pits, though.
steve from brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 9:08 pm
Won’t be Barry, Jump. He threw his own grandmother under the bus as a ‘typical white woman’.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 9:09 pm
Also, daylight savings, when discussing TV programs in real time(sic) is fucked for the sane folk of QLD.
jumpnmcar
5 Nov 12 at 9:09 pm
Thanks anyway gab. Let me know a week before you come up to Mackay and your weight in mud crabs awaits.
—————————–
nilk
Not good enough mate. Specific policy stances please.
jumpnmcar
5 Nov 12 at 9:15 pm
The one that’s likely to maintain and strengthen the US Australian alliance, and more broadly the US-Australian diplomatic relationship on a formal and informal level. Frankly if you want to look at it selfishly, that is the big one.
Import quotas and other issues pale in comparison.
dd
5 Nov 12 at 9:19 pm
Another straight couple acknowledge their commitment to same sex marriage in this NYT article.
All their friends and the NYT think they’re so enlightened and deep.
The leftist zombie brainwash goes deeper than all but a few are willing to acknowledge.
NYT – Adding a Ritual to a Wedding: Showing Support for Gay Marriage
Like the Asutralian rugby captain and his girlfriend where he proudly told the country on QANDA a few weeks ago that he and his g/f won’t marry until there is ‘marriage equality’ in Australia
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 9:19 pm
Another straight couple acknowledge their commitment to same sex marriage in this NYT article.
All their friends and the NYT think they’re so enlightened and deep.
The leftist zombie brainwash goes deeper than all but a few are willing to acknowledge.
NYT – Adding a Ritual to a Wedding: Showing Support for Gay Marriage
Like the Asutralian rugby captain and his girlfriend where he proudly told the country on QANDA a few weeks ago that he and his g/f won’t marry until there is ‘marriage equality’ in Australia
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 9:20 pm
That is precisely what he is and what he appears to be
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 9:22 pm
hi hi Gab
Its crazy for me tonight. Im in strata manager wars.
I think ive got the numbers to chop my strata manager of our investment unit into very small pieces, place him on top of my weetbix under the nuts and prunes and have him for breakfast.
I wont miss this guy at all! (the cheating lying two bit Chicago crim).
Alice
5 Nov 12 at 9:23 pm
Obamacare’s a good one, totally socialised medicine with no allowance for conscience. Unless you’re one of the selected elites (either in government or union).
You can choose not to get insurance, but you’ll be fined. That sort of appears a tad coercive to me.
Barry promised to close Guantanamo Bay, and hasn’t. He has authorised the use of unmanned drones in Pakistan and people – including at least one US citizen – have been killed by that method.
His stance on abortion, especially on medical care for babies that survive that experience is that it should be available for women on demand and on taxpayer’s money. If the baby survives, then it’s too bad, I guess.
He is a dirty politician who only got where he got due to the bleeding heart numpties who thought it would look good to elect the first Black President, and the dirty tricks department of the Democrat Party.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 9:27 pm
dd
I am and it is.
Who, in as much as you can understand is better for Australia and why?
Romneys ” tough on imports from China” rings alarm bells.
And Obamas lack of patriotism may be good for us Australians.
It seem a topic ignored at the Cat. Why?
jumpnmcar
5 Nov 12 at 9:31 pm
So your strata manager is the Second Coming of Obumma, Alice?
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 9:32 pm
I watched that McGinniss video and it appears he moved next to the Palins because they were the Palins, though he did not actually verbalise that, but he knew it was the Palins next door and it made him excited in some strange way.
candy
5 Nov 12 at 9:36 pm
Q&A – Barnett stuck between Brown & the ‘Aboriginal’ woman. Poor bastard.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 9:37 pm
It begins….. rather than abuse the Chivas, I’ve got the frangelico.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 9:39 pm
Dear god woman – have you no respect for your liver.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 9:40 pm
Romneys tough on imports from China is a bit of a joke because I dont think Romney will be tough on imports from China.
Everyone knows it is US wealthy corporations producing in China and no-one in Romneys team has any intentions of curtailing the uber wealthy their Chinese activities, even though it might actually be good for America to get some production happening there (and some more tax paid there).
I’ll be placed on the rack for this comment here, but thats just me. Too right for the left and too protectionist for the right. C’st la vie.
I can live with it. Guess I belong in some other time of supporting nations economic strengths and the US needs some production just now. Im not a great fan of a global economy must admit. Too many black sinkholes.
Alice
5 Nov 12 at 9:42 pm
Q&A – Why does Bob Brown hate aboriginal people?
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 9:43 pm
Is your tongue on fire Alice?
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 9:43 pm
So Bob thinks that the whales are more important than indigenous people up James Price way, of course. An elderly aboriginal woman tells him that the money they would get for the ‘gas factory’ would go towards education, bettering the circumstances for her people.
Needless to say, Bob doesn’t really care. Apparently aboriginal people should just be given the money.
Not sure where the money comes from, but I don’t think Bob cares about that either.
I so need bifocals.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 9:45 pm
Carpe, no. Not at the moment.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 9:46 pm
Now McTiernan, the former Labor luvvy who thinks that the development will “change the character of Broome.” And Broome is apparently a very interesting place.
Apparently changing the character is more a negative thing than a positive thing.
Any Cats agree?
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 9:48 pm
Q&A – yep, it is the pile on Barnett show.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 9:49 pm
Of course, you hate Australians earning incomes derived from exports, you delusional fantasist fuckwit.
.
5 Nov 12 at 9:49 pm
OK I ducked in for 5 seconds. Some sheila saying that ‘on balance’ Broome would be better off(?) without the development.
I’d say Newcastle and Wollongong 100 years ago made the choice.
Perhaps we could poll those localities for questions Tony?
DaveF
5 Nov 12 at 9:49 pm
I was there in 1985, it was just fishermen, cowcockies & drunks. Now it is just a typical tourist town.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 9:50 pm
Now, a message from our locals on the ground: video questions from aboriginals in Broome who are against the James Price development.
I’m surprised, I tell you.
McGlade, token aboriginal luvvie thinks that in 20 years of Native Title there’s been a lot of conflict.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 9:51 pm
Joe Hildebrand:
Joe Hildebrand @Joe_Hildebrand
I like how the Greens want jobs for Aboriginal people as long as it’s not where they live. #qanda
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 9:53 pm
Oh good .’s here.
hey ., policy wise, which US party is better for the Australian nation?
Your thoughts?
jumpnmcar
5 Nov 12 at 9:53 pm
Bob Cronin points out that Bob Brown is happy to just give them the money, but never says where the money will come from.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 9:54 pm
20 years of Native Title have brought on our First Nation. They said that would happen 20 years ago and they were right.
Jesus wept.
DaveF
5 Nov 12 at 9:54 pm
Barnett is doing well so far however, he asked if they wanted jobs but gee whizz, no-one actally does !!(I’m not from WA )
hzhousewife
5 Nov 12 at 9:54 pm
oh. My. Goodness.
Question from the young chickie.
Prem Barnett, you mention the 43 diff sites you looked at. What about the dinosaur footprints. The whales. Have you seen the whales?
(Barnett – short answer – yes, and they’re doing fine compared to when we were still whaling back in the 69s)
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 9:55 pm
Q&A Bob the Journo just gave the room a realaity check.
FMD is every question for Barnett, ‘have you seen the whales, have you seen the dinosaur footprints’ his reply should have been – sod.off.swampy.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 9:56 pm
Hi James – so you are the first to arrive with a snide comment youngster?
I so enjoy firing up you kids. You are all so straight in your outlook. You have no bends or twists yet and are so easy to upset because you just cant handle something slightly different.
Lacks the mellowness of age – cheddar compared with stilton.
Its a tribal thing isnt it? People care so much more about belonging to tribes when they are young (and dont dare deviate). That is the nature of nature.
Its all fun.
But now Im going to bed because Im an older lady and need my sleep.
So goodnight James. I will catch up with you next time and maybe we can debate some more about what you and I think – or maybe you would like to suggest to all that Ive been drinking frangelico or something in my absence..and that my tongue is on fire.
It really is James. You are right. My tongue is on fire. It works that much faster than yours on a slow day.
Alice
5 Nov 12 at 9:56 pm
Shorter Bob Brown.
Build the massive gas hub somewhere where it won’t affect the whales, the dinosaur footprints and the songlines, and give the aboriginals the money anyway.
Wow.
Fark I need another drink.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 9:57 pm
I think Romney has better policy overall for the US economy.
The export base of Australia is derived indirectly from US and European imports.
If US construction moves up, then you’re going to see copper and iron go up, and perhaps Olympic Dam starts looking good again.
If they have cheaper energy, then building spread out towns becomes more likely.
If Obama got back in and got cap and trade, it would lend credibility to our stupid carbon tax.
.
5 Nov 12 at 9:58 pm
Barnett looking like he can’t believe the drivel he’s hearing.
Yes, Colin, you are actually hearing this shi’ite.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 9:58 pm
I’m already on my second shot & a beer.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 9:59 pm
Barnett can take it though, he knew what he was getting into the minute he sat down there. He tends to talk straight to the people and ignore the media bullcrap.
Jeremiah
5 Nov 12 at 10:00 pm
AT the Q&A website:
Sweet Lord that case was a shakedown. The US lawyer is facing gaol and the Judge in Ecuador is even facing strife maybe.
Sorry about the link it was quick and partisan but the facts stand for themselves.
DaveF
5 Nov 12 at 10:00 pm
Not sure if it’s just me, but whenever I hear of songlines, I remember Hindmarsh Island and sekrit wymmin’s bizniss.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:00 pm
Some people get dumber as they get older. Sad but true.
wreckage
5 Nov 12 at 10:01 pm
Barnett points out that the site has been moved a bit to the side to ensure that sacred sites aren’t too impacted, and also, yes, the dinosaur footprints are important, but they stretch for 200kms, and the development only covers areound 2km.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:02 pm
Barnett looks like he is ready to call tones and the grievance mongers morons and tell them to STFU.
Another young chickie thinks there is a magic money tree.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 10:02 pm
SONGLINES !!!!!!!!!!!!
geez that was the name of some book in the 70′s, totally made up Krap, never ever mentioned in the first 200 years of history of our nation……..
I can’t POSSIBLY go to bed while this is on, so ENTERTAINING !!!!
hzhousewife
5 Nov 12 at 10:03 pm
Oh wait the other youngster Dot has arrived with his “deulsional fuckwit fantasists” insults.
It could be fun Dot. You know I love arguing with you but it really is by bedtime. You young blokes stay up too late for me (and you are so damn strident I actually have to be more awake to upset you!)
I need my sleep so its off to bed.
Alice
5 Nov 12 at 10:03 pm
Barnett for Prime Minister
hzhousewife
5 Nov 12 at 10:03 pm
I was concerned with your thirst for Farngelico, Alice.
It shouldn’t be drunk in the same was as the 4L sweet white bladder filled cask.
That’s all.
Colin has appropriat5e contempt for Brown on show.
Watch and learn Coalition federal pollies.
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 10:04 pm
FFS a lefty TV show trumps discusion on Australias best interests regarding USA leadership.
PC off.
Let the trolls and apathy have the Cat..
fucken disappointing.
jumpnmcar
5 Nov 12 at 10:04 pm
Next Q for Barnett from young lass (of course) wanting to know why all the money that would be generated by the development and given to the indigenous people couldn’t just be given to them by the State.
After all, lots of money was being spent on refurbishing the government’s offices as well as on upgrading waterfronts and stuff like that.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:04 pm
I do like the bit where, when there’s a drought here, we don’t starve to death.
Australia’s an export economy. Not liking international trade is… well, hey Asian guy! Buy our mining and agricultural products! But we don’t want your filthy manufactured rubbish – we only like stuff made by the white man.
wreckage
5 Nov 12 at 10:05 pm
Q&A – ‘Aboriginal’ woman, i’m sure she will be going back to her traditional apartment in Perth.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 10:06 pm
McGlade wants to see more aboriginal people in jobs and getting a better education.
And then….
Aboriginal people have been very traumatised by colonisation.
I’m traumatised by this fricken leftarded bucket of swill.
And this is why I gave up drunktyping near two decades ago lololol
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:06 pm
jump’n', that thread was 414 posts of Tillman derailment syndrome.
wreckage
5 Nov 12 at 10:06 pm
thanks anyway (.).
jumpnmcar
5 Nov 12 at 10:07 pm
What university in Australia ever had a graduating class of 3000 commerce students? As in the one your reckon you graduated from (in the late 1980s)?
That’s right, run along you stupid bitch.
This stupid old bint needs to be banned. Clearly she is unhinged, probably mentally unwell, can’t handle her piss and just rolls up to troll.
.
5 Nov 12 at 10:07 pm
WTF are “songlines”?
C.L.
5 Nov 12 at 10:07 pm
An album by Paul Kelly?
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 10:09 pm
Question for Bob Cronin: why doesn’t he trust the Press Council and its complaints handling process.
Cronin points out that the Press Council wants to take money from the government.
LOL McTiernan (ALP) believes that the media can be used to suborn the government and push its own agenda.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:11 pm
Quelle suprise – alp flucky blames Murdoch.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 10:11 pm
wrteckage
agree
“I do like the bit where, when there’s a drought here, we don’t starve to death.
Australia’s an export economy”
Didnt say there shouldnt be balance. The US could do with more exports but all its entrepreneurs were given carte blanche to move off shore.
They fucked it. Has to be a balance. They import way more than they export now.
re Australia
We are an export economy in Austrlaia partly and only recently. In fact we are mostly an import economy if you look at hstorical current account balance.
Alice
5 Nov 12 at 10:12 pm
a manufactured spiritual system of mythical connecting lines crossing Australia uniting all the aboriginal peoples ………. I made that up, I never read the book….
hzhousewife
5 Nov 12 at 10:12 pm
When you’re wrong you should say so immediately, so says Bob the Brown.
Riiight, fellow earthian.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:13 pm
sorry
Songlines are –
a manufactured spiritual system of mythical connecting lines crossing Australia uniting all the aboriginal peoples ………. I made that up, I never read the book….
hzhousewife
5 Nov 12 at 10:14 pm
LOL ha ha ha
Dot is back on “this is your life NOT” again.
Dont make me laugh Dot. I seriously am laughing at you.
Alice
5 Nov 12 at 10:14 pm
Haha, fuckhead. Capital controls?
…of capital.
Alice is a delusional moron who thinks Australia and America should agree to stop the US funding direct investment in Australia which makes up 20% of Australian capital formation.
What a misanthropic fraud.
.
5 Nov 12 at 10:16 pm
Now we’re onto the press. Luvvie bleating about the difference between online and dead tree news reporting.
She wants reporters to question parliamentarians on important issues and move away from the fluffy (my word) stuff.
McTiernan: I totally understand how you feel (snicker)… I think we’re a bit unfair in just blaming the media. I think it’s a reflection of the buying public… they just want crap.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:17 pm
Q&A – swampy gets confused when it is pointed out that the WA paper has increased circulation.
Geez what a dribbler. Oh wait, Mcteirnan understands it? She must be 2nd banana to the dribbler.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 10:17 pm
You are a phoney. No Australian university has ever had a graduating class of 3000 commerce students.
Yet you claim to have come 11th in a graduating class of 3000 from an Australian, Sydney based in university in the late 1980s.
No one cares for your bullshit stories, Alice.
.
5 Nov 12 at 10:18 pm
No, Carpe, McTiernan understands – some Swiss businessmen told her about how the people in Switzerland wouldn’t put up with that dreck.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:19 pm
First mention of regulation of wheat markets, nothing on gay marriage yet.
No Tony Abbott either, unless that happened while I was refilling my glass.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:20 pm
Is that what they call AWU bagmen now?
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 10:20 pm
Thanks all, especially Nilk. This is very entertaining.
Tom
5 Nov 12 at 10:23 pm
“West Australians seem to held to ransom by the mining industry.”
This woman’s not happy with the FIFO mindset.
Hello, can our union reps answer that one?
No, but McGlade brings up cashed-up-bogans, children living in poverty, and locals are feeling the pressure.
The mining companies need to be more socially responsible for all of this, and girls are feeling predatory behaviour (w.t.f.??)
FIFO is a terrible thing – McTiernan thinks it’s bad for families.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:24 pm
Q&A – when is the government going to focus on sustainable industry. ‘Aboriginal’ woman gets to mouth meaniless platitutes.
Oh wait – ‘Aboriginal’ woman claims unwanted attention to local girls from FIFO workers, that numbnut has obviously never done FIFO.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 10:24 pm
When did we become such a nation of sooks and pantywaists?
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:25 pm
Swampy claims to be a liberal voter – and i am a tall blonde man named Sven.
I somehow doubt she knows what heavy meals and dioxins are, and comb that hair take out the piercings and have a shower.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 10:27 pm
OMG. Is Q&A over? I can’t take anymore – and I’m not even watching it just reading the excellent blow-by-blow here.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 10:28 pm
I’m a Liberal voter and I consider myself to be pro-development, but after reading the local rag I’ve discovered that there is are rising numbers of childhood asthma cases.
Wow.
How about, sunshine, you have a look at the number of parents who wrap their kids in cottonwool and chiffon and don’t allow them any exposure to dirt.
When I was young, asthma was a rarity, these days half the school seems to get it. Please.
It’s not mining – which is a crapload safer than when my ancestors hitched a ride of a boat over from Cornwall – it’s the bleeding hearts brigade who are determined to find ways to further infantilize us.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:28 pm
hzhousewife
5 Nov 12 at 10:29 pm
Dotty – how did you come to the late 1980s Dot?. Think again boy. Think hard. Do the research post grad econ student. Which unis had more than three thousand grads one graduation a year? Most of the mains.
You dont research well Dot. You are an idiot. Would you like me to scan my newspaper cutting which lists names in order of merit?
You seriously are jealous and wonder why I have a job teaching in unis? Maybe I was a favourite grad Dot? Maybe you are not.
Not that teaching in unis is all that great these days except for the hourly pay rate. most on contracts. Why are you doing it and not working in towards the private sector? I at least had a reason Dot. You dont. You have a choice.
Alice
5 Nov 12 at 10:30 pm
In late October — early November support for the L-NP is 53.5% (up 4%) cf. ALP 46.5% (down 4%) on a two-party preferred basis after Treasurer Wayne Swan delivered a ‘mini-Budget’ designed to keep the Gillard Government on track for a Federal Budget surplus next year according to the latest face-to-face Morgan Poll conducted over the last two weekends, October 27/28 & November 3/4, 2012.
Today’s face-to-face Morgan Poll shows the L-NP primary vote is 43% (up 4.5% in 2 weeks) ahead of the ALP 35.5% (down 2%). Among the minor parties Greens support is down sharply by 2.5% to 10% and Independents/ Others is unchanged at 11.5%.
If a Federal election were held today the result would be a clear win for the L-NP Coalition according to this face-to-face Morgan Poll.
The Roy Morgan Government Confidence Rating has fallen to 105pts (down 1.5pts over the last two weeks) with 44% (unchanged) saying Australia is ‘heading in the right direction,’ compared to 39% (up 1.5%) saying Australia is ‘heading in the wrong direction’.
Gary Morgan says:
“Treasurer Wayne Swan’s ‘mini-Budget’ has failed to impress the electorate with the L-NP (53.5%, up 4%) regaining a clear two-party preferred lead over the ALP (46.5%, down 4%) immediately after the ‘mini-Budget’ delivered on October 22, 2012.
“Roy Morgan Consumer Confidence fell 2.7pts to 112.7 after the ‘mini-Budget’ — another clear sign that the Australian public appears less enthusiastic about the Gillard Government’s promised Federal Budget surplus than the Government.
“The ‘bounce’ experienced by the Government after Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s passionate speech on ‘misogyny’ and Australia’s victory in the UN Security Council appears to have been temporary.”
Full Details & Tables: http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2012/4838
val majkus
5 Nov 12 at 10:30 pm
me too Gab,
best Q&A I’ve hardly watched ! lol
hzhousewife
5 Nov 12 at 10:30 pm
And one final mention of Teh Whalez by Bob Brown. Of course he gets the last word.
I can’t believe that anyone voted for him. He talks about the future. Um, Doctor Brown, your family tree stops with you.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:31 pm
Yay – crazy uncle bob gets his pedestal, please tell us earthians what to do. Ok so we know bob hates CSG, hates James Price point, loves turtles, loves a supertax on profits and also believes in a magic money tree.
I’m up to shot & a beer #4
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 10:31 pm
OMG a Brown and Barnett hug !!!!!
hzhousewife
5 Nov 12 at 10:32 pm
What Tom said.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 10:32 pm
Q&A – Mcteirnan proves the gene pool has a shallow end.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 10:33 pm
Do they have Allanah McTiernan on? Struth, how did they keep her sober at that time of night? She’s usually on to her second bag of lady in the boat by 8:30pm.
Infidel Tiger
5 Nov 12 at 10:33 pm
You reckon you didn’t get married or have kids until after graduation and you allege to have a child who is at least 20 years old.
No Australian commerce faculty has EVER had over 3000 students graduate in a single year.
Yet you claim to have come 11th out of 3000 students you bullshit artist.
Fuck off Alice, you demented old cow.
.
5 Nov 12 at 10:34 pm
Oops, my bad.
One question – the only one from a man in the studio (the other was a vid question from Broome)- about the girl who was punished from hugging a schoolfriend.
Bob Brown bleating on about how we need more love and compassion. Sure thing, Mr. Anti-Human 2005.
McTiernan prating (today’s fave word) about how we’re wrapping kids in cotton wool.
Barnett says it’s not any policy of his government and Cronin speaks sense: this sort of anti-contact crap is a product of a litigious society.
McGlade: kids need to have fun, and we need to teach them about good touching and bad touching.
And that’s all, according to Snow Cone.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:35 pm
I haven’t heard a cask of nasty called that in a long time.
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 10:35 pm
Alannah MacTiernan is an elitist progressive battleaxe.
The lawyer is a clueless social justice activist.
I loved the palpable contempt Barnett displayed for Brown.
Loved it.
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 10:35 pm
Yes I would, actually.
.
5 Nov 12 at 10:35 pm
What union hack is McTiernan married to?
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 10:36 pm
What a total “wankfest”. Glad it’s over.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 10:36 pm
Someone said
”
When did we become such a nation of sooks and pantywaists?
We came to be such a mation of sooks and pantywaits when the government stopped doing productive work like building roads and started interfering in our daily lives with their committees of people deciding what life choices we should and shouldnt make because they lost the plot and now they spend our taxes legislating and writing feel good brochures on our personal private lifestyle choices in cahoots with the finance and insurance industries.
Bloody useless.
Alice
5 Nov 12 at 10:37 pm
James I got the impression that the lawyer can see the benefits of the James Price Point development and what it offers the aboriginals, but her leftard conditioning is holding strong.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:37 pm
Ok you fuckwit Dot – now how exactly should I send my scanned merit list ranking to you?
Would that satisfy you and shut you up?
Give me your email.
Better still bet on it so that at least I make some money out of you jealous one.
Alice
5 Nov 12 at 10:39 pm
off to bed, still giggling ( and I only had ONE glass of wine (= 2 standard drinks – it is MONDAY after all !)
don’t forget Red Cardeaux tomorrow everyone….
nighty night
PS if I were Pell, I would close that St John’s College down for three years, breaking the cycle.
hzhousewife
5 Nov 12 at 10:40 pm
Sinclair
Would it be possible to have a new Open Forum as this one is already over 1000 comments and is very slow to refresh. Thank you.
Gab
5 Nov 12 at 10:41 pm
jumpnmcar, I already answered your question.
Whichever side strengthens the alliance is better for Australia’s national interest. On that issue I’d give Romney the edge, because Obama has sought to water down America’s traditional, long standing alliances in favour of new relationships.
Trade issues are second order to defence.
dd
5 Nov 12 at 10:41 pm
Freaks like you Alice do not get my email address.
email Sinclair if you want to prove your bullshit credentials that you came “11th out of a graduating 3000 commerce students from an Australian university in the late 1980s”.
I am sure Sinclair will tell me to pull my head in if you produce the evidence.
I do not want to breach your privacy nor know whom you are.
Otherwise fuck off.
.
5 Nov 12 at 10:42 pm
I didn’t watch QandA.
They talked about Broome again????!!!!
They fucking talked about that last week!
What’s going on behind the scenes on that show? I can’t believe these are random questions from Australians.
dd
5 Nov 12 at 10:43 pm
I think i’ll sit in the recliner for a while, 4 shots & 2 beers was not my cleverest move (thank christ i don’t go back to work until the 13th).
Carpe Jugulum
5 Nov 12 at 10:45 pm
Token
I’ve done a straw poll of my Rellos about the NHS. They seem pretty OK with it. My brother and my two brothers in law have had pacemakers fitted at no cost to them and the private system was not involved. The one fly in the ointment is that they have to travel a lot as the NHS seem to have specialist hospitals, ie One for Heart, one for Oncology etc.This travel is not great but with the Public Transport being so scarce a friend with a car is a necessity.
As for the other bit the NHS seem to be going full on for palliative care and moving the terminally ill out of the Hospitals to these specialist places. I guess it’s up to a group decision when they go. It’s a difficult question to ask the bereaved.
As to the one who has the power to stop treatment I suppose it is the Doctors.
The people I have asked seem OK with this. I don’t know if it is OK with the patients.
I’m glad it’s not me that makes the decisions.
It will probably be like that here soon.
alan
5 Nov 12 at 10:47 pm
dd at least they didn’t talk about AbbottAbbottAbbott or gay marriage.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:48 pm
Nomination for a Cat VC coming up, Nilk.
Yes, best Q & A I’ve never watched too.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
5 Nov 12 at 10:49 pm
I must be a victim of a sheltered upbringing; I actually had to look it up to see what it was.
Cold-Hands
5 Nov 12 at 10:55 pm
Thanks, people. I like liveblogging thngs, but QandA is not something to do without a drink to hand.
In my case, I set the Chivas aside and stuck with the frangelico. I drink it neat, which helps.
nilk
5 Nov 12 at 10:58 pm
Cripes. Who set mAlice’s pubes on fire? Or is she just off her meds again?
Mk50 of Brisbane
5 Nov 12 at 10:58 pm
Colin Barnett really handled the abusive and stupid leftist questions really well on Q&A this evening. He was really good.
Mad Dog Brown is a first rate lying piece of shit.
Nothing new there.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 10:58 pm
now dd, it was FUN tonight ! lots of subjects covered and you would have been very proud of Colin Barnett, he blitzed his questioners and I only wish Abbott, Hockey or Turnbull were half as astute, especially under pressure.
CJ, I’m reclinering also, musing as one does re the events forthcoming this week – one hopes things may change, but probably they will stay the same ( I will NOT win 100 million, Red Cardeaux will NOT win the Melbourne Cup, there will NOT be another “chad” fiasco election in the USA…) I get to work 12 hours tomorrow, hard labour, interacting, customer and public servicing, smiling and directing folks to the loo……… such is life.
hzhousewife
5 Nov 12 at 11:01 pm
James K at 9.19pm
That didn’t end up exactly how I thought it would. I thought she would make the groom do a “tuck and tape”.
Emasculated NY metrosexual probably would have done it too.
H B Bear
5 Nov 12 at 11:03 pm
Wow, Hockey just got stuck into Treasury over the released libs estimates.
The lying slapper defended them.
Treasury is now going to be seen as Liars party captured territory.
Parkinson just made one huge fucking mistake. It’s not hard to work out who released the figures though and the Libs are well aware of it too.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 11:06 pm
My Cup picks.
TAB HORSE
9 CAVALRYMAN (GB)
12 ETHIOPIA
13 FIORENTE (IRE)
16 GREEN MOON (IRE)
17 MALUCKYDAY (NZ)
Box 5 horse Trifecta $60
If any one wants full field with stats, graphs etc here.
I have managed three cup trifecta’s over eleven years, one paying $2300 for half trifecta box5 $30. So not a great spreadsheet just a bit of fun for my only bet of the year.
Rudiau
5 Nov 12 at 11:09 pm
Yeah Nilk.
I reckon she’s intelligent and knew that Barnett has won.
She just wanted to sound and show that she cared and concerned herself with the less well off unlike the oikes.
She also demonstrated absolute ignorance of how her life and job is supported as a non-wealthcreating member of society unlike the wealthy “bogan” FIFOs she talked about with obvious distaste.
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 11:09 pm
As a result of my internet bet on Romney, I’ve been given another $100 bonus bet to make at sportsbet. However, they won’t let me use it on the US election, try as I might. Does someone want to give me a hot tip for the Melbourne Cup? Something that you reckon will place in the top 4?
With even the favourite paying 2.35 to place I could recover a goodly portion of my Romney bet if that should go bad. Not that I’ve given up on Romney, I still feel it’s going to fly. But an alternative strategy to repair the balance sheet would not go astray.
Tim
5 Nov 12 at 11:11 pm
Alan, as a Brit Cit travelling in the UK, I had an MRI on the NHS over a year ago due to a suspected brain tumour (not found, false alarm, hooray!) and I hated the thought of it as I am a bit claustrophobic and they are like an iron coffin. To make it worse, the machine was ancient, and the patient communication system didn’t work. Raise your leg if you need us, they said. I am only little and they wouldn’t actually have seen me do this if I had needed to and who knew they were looking? It was not pleasant as the machine’s music system, there to calm you, was also faulty. Head and body in a noisy concrete mixer coffin for twenty still and restrained minutes. Awful.
No more NHS for me. Gave it a try in a near-emergency. Technical fail. Medical staff great though, couldn’t fault their knowledge and care.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
5 Nov 12 at 11:13 pm
It’s probably wrong but this story somehow reminded me of this
dd
5 Nov 12 at 11:18 pm
thanks Rudi, I’m still perusing all possibilities.
Dau had a young friend here just about to graduate in Commerce, his special interest is Tax Law – Capital Gains, we had an enlightening discussion about gambling profits in Oz and definition of Professional Gambling. I have noted the huge advertising reach of one young Waterhouse lately, I realise this is season to shine, but he spends a motza on advertising.
I sorta like Ethiopia too.
Its a butter of a race to pick though, big field, lots of “Unknowns” ie foreigners, but What a Show. Hubby and I are up $200 in the last three weeks, so we’ll have a nice day tomorrow and it won’t cost us a thing !!
hzhousewife
5 Nov 12 at 11:19 pm
I’m stunned the gave you an MRI instead of a CT booked for 3 weeks later if they thought it could be a malignant glioma which can often kill within weeks of symptoms, Lizzie.
JamesK
5 Nov 12 at 11:20 pm
It’s pretty obvious that greenest filth are lobbying the ABC to run negative on James Price Point. The ABC must be razed and its employees put through a wood chipper.
Infidel tiger
5 Nov 12 at 11:23 pm
Just fucking arrest them and indicate the whole fucking lot.
JC
5 Nov 12 at 11:29 pm
Jump,
Leaving economics and deficits aside.
Obama and the Dems degrading, downgrading their military scares the sh*t out of me.
The US must remain the dominant military power for the sake of freedom and democracy.
China, Russia and Iran all building up their military whilst Australia and the US actually seem to hate their Armed Forces under the current Administrations.
Romney promised to keep a strong military.
Rudiau
5 Nov 12 at 11:29 pm
Only a short wait for the MRI, James, which for my presentation seems to be the check method of choice. They were more concerned about a possible pituitary growth, due some sudden unusual thyroid results, headaches and peripheral vision issues. Concluded it was all idiosyncratic. Thyroid now back to normal without treatment. I still have peripheral vision checks regularly.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
5 Nov 12 at 11:34 pm
ahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83298.html#ixzz2BLqgTTck
JC
5 Nov 12 at 11:41 pm
Songlines
I read the book.
Because there are so many aboriginal languages in Australia usually only neighbours knew each-other’s languages. The songlines were verbal maps which neighbours shared. If someone from a distant tribe was passing through the “songlines” told them the way*.
Been a while since I read it. I think I still have it if you want to borrow it, JC.
*Buggered if I don’t know why they didn’t use message sticks.
kae
6 Nov 12 at 12:38 am
This offence copped a $4,000 fine.
Meanwhile, back in the City.
In New York’s Rockaways, battered residents dig out and wait
Just realised I commented on this yesterday.
Rudiau
6 Nov 12 at 6:19 am
On JC’s article re shutting down the coal industry, I meant.
Rudiau
6 Nov 12 at 6:23 am
Hedley Thomas
Michael Smith and Hedley Thomas keeping up the good fight. Great pic of ailin’s pinup girl.
Rudiau
6 Nov 12 at 7:28 am
Todays Markets
US
Betfair Reps $4.40
OZ
Coalition $1.39
Melb Cup
Ethiopia $6.40
Fairfax $0.395
Rudiau
6 Nov 12 at 7:43 am
Animal rights activists want horse racing banned and vote Green so it was only logical that The Age would save this story for the day after the spring racing carnival began in earnest and that it would drop this followup on Melbourne Cup morning for maximum effect.
Tom
6 Nov 12 at 8:22 am
Tom,
It amazes me, with their falling share price and dwindling sales, that they continue with their inane agendas, appealing to what audience.
Rudiau
6 Nov 12 at 8:31 am
I remember reading that and then understanding why Pennsylvannia is swinging heavily against Obama.
_________________
Hey Doomlord Snic, can we have a new OT?
This one is all old and slow, its time to upgrade.
Token
6 Nov 12 at 8:34 am
They dod it each year, just as they find a way to disrepect the vets on Anzac Day every year.
Token
6 Nov 12 at 8:38 am
I have a rello that lived in France for a while. He said that that system there worked very well and for him as a UK citizen/French resident was free.He has poor French language skills and up until then had fears of being guillotined upon entry to a French Hospital.
He lived near Sarle down Southish.
alan
6 Nov 12 at 9:20 am
Credit where it’s due. The racing scandal is the best piece of investigative journalism Fairfax have done in decades.
I’m impressed they managed to blame Deniis Napthine. He’s considered the best racing minister the industry going around.
Infidel tiger
6 Nov 12 at 9:28 am
I’m impressed they managed to blame Deniis Napthine. He’s considered the best racing minister the industry going around.
Infidel tiger
6 Nov 12 at 9:28 am
“Sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas”.
alan
6 Nov 12 at 9:38 am
Just playing with my old enemy the blockquote thingy
alan
6 Nov 12 at 9:40 am
IT, Kate McClymont at the SMH has done some good work as well, on ALP and HSU scandals. But she is a rose in a huge cluster of thorns.
johanna
6 Nov 12 at 10:00 am
Disaster relief socialist style: Victoria’s Secret update!
This here is surreal. You’re not going to believe this, so here it is in print fer ya:
The Phantom
Rudiau
6 Nov 12 at 10:51 am
Yakki Da Rudiau.
It is a prudent man that is careful about what he reads on a Blog. Try reading some stuff to balance your intake.
alan
6 Nov 12 at 10:56 am
Hey Stevie
– I found the perfect stripes for gillard. You’re going to love this look on her…
Gab
6 Nov 12 at 11:02 am
ailin’
TFIFY
去你的
Rudiau
6 Nov 12 at 11:06 am
I’m actually not bothering checking the trivia stuff you’re commenting on about Gillard, Gab. Sorry to disappoint.
steve from brisbane
6 Nov 12 at 11:09 am
Awwwww
I always “check: the trivial stuff you link, SFB.
Gab
6 Nov 12 at 11:10 am
Gab,
Did you see the pic of Gillard in the OZ
Rudiau
6 Nov 12 at 11:12 am
Hahahahaha! No I hadn’t, Rudi. Thanks for posting it.
Gab
6 Nov 12 at 11:14 am
Mr Kate Ellis must be back at that Newscorp backwater The Punch. How else could you explain this piece by Josh Thomason self described,
Punch loves its tongue in cheek descriptions of Newscorps answer to The Dumb. Alas they are depressingly accurate.
You wonder why Newscorp and Murdoch seem prepared to take their media down this road. The one thing established media companies should offer over blogs is good writers with established credentials, consistent points of view (including those you disagree with) and reasoned analysis of events. Publishing something from a kid at Deakin Uni provides exactly none of these.
I would not be interested in Josh Thomason’s views if he was handing me change from a Bacon and Egg McMuffin. Nothing changes because it is stuck on teh interweb.
H B Bear
6 Nov 12 at 11:19 am
When grocery store signs go bad: No apostrophe can save this.
sdog
6 Nov 12 at 12:05 pm
Creative destruction…
Roll your own anything and have it delivered.
Forester
6 Nov 12 at 12:09 pm
Dot again. What a crappy econ researcher you are.
I say
” Dotty – how did you come to the late 1980s Dot?. Think again boy. Think hard. Do the research post grad econ student. Which unis had more than three thousand grads one graduation a year? Most of the mains.
He says
You reckon you didn’t get married or have kids until after graduation and you allege to have a child who is at least 20 years old.
Dot – havent you ever seen a pregnant woman in a university who happens to be studying?.
Havent met any Mums studying who have kids?
They are there Dot.
You are a silly child Dot and a very bad researcher because you positively leap into wrong headed conclusions based on your own wrong assumptions without any facts or evidence at all.
Fool boy.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 12:36 pm
Dot says
“You reckon you didn’t get married or have kids until after graduation”
No Dot – I never said that at all anywhere – you made that one up didnt you?
Leaping all over the place making up crap and then claims ” I DOT AM RIGHT!!!”
You have no idea how wrong you really are.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 12:39 pm
In titanium if you like…
Forester
6 Nov 12 at 12:43 pm
gillard lands in Laos, gives them $60 million.
I wish she’d stop tipping the locals with other people’s money.
Gab
6 Nov 12 at 1:22 pm
test
Lord Tillman
6 Nov 12 at 1:32 pm
… err, slight f*ck up with TAB No’s on my Cup picks last night.
TAB HORSE
7 CAVALRYMAN (GB)
10 ETHIOPIA
11 FIORENTE (IRE)
14 GREEN MOON (IRE)
15 MALUCKYDAY (NZ)
Boxed 5 horse trifecta $60
Rudiau
6 Nov 12 at 1:58 pm
Lets hear it for the CWA. Go on, have a look and see what it is!
Rafe Champion
6 Nov 12 at 2:07 pm
One for posterity
One of US president’s senior advisors is secretly making efforts to establish line of communication with Iran
If in fact the White House made the call to kibosh any rescue efforts in Benghazi, I remain of the view that Bambi doesn’t have the focus to make a snap decisions like that, and Obama confidente Valerie Jarrett probably would have probably made the stand down call.
She reputedly was against the bin Laden mission too.
It’s a pity Congress seems to have surrendered any oversight role – a foreign affairs committee would normally be interested in outreach to hostile states by WH staffers ?
Myrrdin Seren
6 Nov 12 at 2:19 pm
2 outa 3
Ah well, I’ll definitely nail it next year
Rudiau
6 Nov 12 at 3:09 pm
Wikipedia gives the lowdown on Songlines:
Songlines, also called Dreaming tracks by Indigenous Australians within the animist indigenous belief system, are paths across the land (or sometimes the sky which mark the route followed by localised ‘creator-beings’ during the Dreaming. The paths of the songlines are recorded in traditional songs, stories, dance, and painting.
A knowledgeable person is able to navigate across the land by repeating the words of the song, which describe the location of landmarks, waterholes, and other natural phenomena. In some cases, the paths of the creator-beings are said to be evident from their marks, or petrosomatoglyphs, on the land, such as large depressions in the land which are said to be their footprints.
By singing the songs in the appropriate sequence, Indigenous people could navigate vast distances, often travelling through the deserts of Australia’s interior. The continent of Australia contains an extensive system of songlines, some of which are of a few kilometres, whilst others traverse hundreds of kilometres through lands of many different Indigenous peoples — peoples who may speak markedly different languages and have different cultural traditions.
Since a songline can span the lands of several different language groups, different parts of the song are said to be in those different languages. Languages are not a barrier because the melodic contour of the song describes the nature of the land over which the song passes. The rhythm is what is crucial to understanding the song. Listening to the song of the land is the same as walking on this songline and observing the land.
In some cases, a songline has a particular direction, and walking the wrong way along a songline may be a sacrilegious act (e.g. climbing up Uluru where the correct direction is down). Traditional Aboriginal people regard all land as sacred, and the songs must be continually sung to keep the land “alive”.
PS Sounds somewhat similar to the concept of “leylines” in our own mythical tradition. For info on leylines see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Old_Straight_Track
Viva
6 Nov 12 at 6:56 pm
No, no, no, no, no, no, nooooooooo.
Nanny State Alert. Those brutish EU bureaucrats are demolishing the olfactory heritage of La France. By 2014 expect to buy only a watered-down version of traditional old parfums. They are allergising the ingredients, particularly of Chanel 5 and Guerlain’s Shalimar.
This is a personal attack on me. These have been my day and evening standbys for ever. I am occasionally unfaithful with others, such as Balenciaga’s Rhumba or Jean Patou’s Joy for a while, and Lanvin’s Arpege as another standby (‘cos of my mother), but really!! As if the vapid and thin ‘atomiser sprays’ produced under the names of today’s celebs have any cachet or ability to linger …
Aux armes.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
6 Nov 12 at 7:01 pm
Agree, Lizzie, it is frightening news.
Helen Armstrong
6 Nov 12 at 7:05 pm
But of course, Lizzie. Do you not know just how dangerous and lethal The Perfume? Kills millions every year…oh wait:
What a bunch of morons, obviously trying to justify their totalitarian existence.
Expect Roxon et al to ban perfumes any day now.
Gab
6 Nov 12 at 7:09 pm
Ahh Lizzie I sympathise – but recently for the first time I came under personal attack by my Chanel No 5 – regrettably my immune system has become hyperactive and I found that my throat felt like it was burning after an appication. But I did not expect the likes of the EU to come charging to my rescue. I regard this as just another outrage perpretated by advancing age – not parisian parfumiers. Perhaps this is why elderly ladies start receiving gifts of lavender water instead of Poison! Alas and alack.
Viva
6 Nov 12 at 7:16 pm
Lizzie,
It is not possible for me to decipher your last comment @7:01, but i think it maybe about ” stink pretty “.
All i know on that is The Taipan makes me shower the minute i get home a apply Brut 33.
To suppress her exposure to huge amounts of pheromones I suspect.
She’s very sensitive to those.
jumpnmcar
6 Nov 12 at 7:21 pm
Jump, not about stink pretty, but wafting, wafting along with just a hint a something quintessentially lovely, a gently perfumed Giverney (Monet’s garden) and all that signifies, or an Arabian garden as the hint of paradise to come. Parfum is a feeling, an emotion, it is the gift to the Christ child, the stuff of Cleopatra’s allure, the strange content of the alchemist’s mysterious pots and bottles, a baby’s breath, a flaming fire.
Well, that’s enough copywriting from me. I just love traditional scents.
Personally, I like ape-like male pheromones, as long as they are showered occasionally, but for going out I like to splash Da Hairy One with something bracingly designerish and astringent into the shaving nicks. Watch the grown man flinch.
Goes well with the dinner suit, I find. Lay on the Shalimar and we are a pair indeed. Perhaps we should come with a health warning, allergy alert flashing.
Viva, I’m afraid the only solution is to change your poison. Or use less of it. Re-invent the perfume dabbed handkerchief and stick it in the middle of your bra. Or just put the handky in your underwear drawer. Otherwise, 4711 for you.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
6 Nov 12 at 8:08 pm
Usually every Cup day a politician comes forth with winning prediction.
No news yet who tipped” Green Moon “.
Milne can’t cause horse racing is cruel.
Gillard can’t cause that perpetuates the ALP/Green thing.
And Abbott wanted ” Lights of Heaven “( coincidentally the only girl horse in the race )
jumpnmcar
6 Nov 12 at 8:12 pm
Lizzie, that is disgraceful. They will prise my Hermes Caleche from my cold, dead hands.
I like Arpege too. The classic perfumes (floral aldehydes being my preference) are classic for a reason.
If properly applied, not slathered on, someone would have to be very sensitive or very close to react to it. It is cheap scents used like Evian water in a desert that cause everyone within 5 metres to experience sneezing and watering eyes. Over-scented deodorants and soaps, aftershaves and BO have similar effects. Are they going to do something about them too?
Grrr!
johanna
6 Nov 12 at 8:22 pm
Where is that bloody Do?
Reckons he survives on teaching work at unis while he is studying his phd in econ.
Yeah right. Where do you teach Dot?
I’d like him to tell me if he survived MQs recent advertisments for teaching (in which they had heaps of applicants)??
Because I did.
Stick that up your inexperienced econ student bum Dot.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 8:26 pm
Jump, I got Red Cadeaux in the dancers’ sweep (did a terrific new routine today too), so appropriate given today’s devastating parfum news. Something French for Lizzie.
I will get HIA to buy me a crate of Shalimar, as insurance for sultry nights into the future.
You must be careful not too use too much though. The aim is not to knock people out.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
6 Nov 12 at 8:26 pm
I know a lovely 92 year old who knows horses. Her father ran trotters and she has followed them ever since for a two dollar bet each way every Saturday.
She says she picks horses on whether they stand out from the form guide,
I swear this is a true story.
I spoke to her last night (such a sweet lady) and she said “Alice, do you like horses?” I said “I dont know anything about horses but I’m in a sweep”
She said “no 7 and no 14, and I like Green Moon”.
I said “thanks” and didnt bet on it later.
FOOL ME. Never ignore a 92 year old who knows horses!
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 8:35 pm
4711? Puke.
I find applying any perfume immediately after showering burns my skin, it’s only because I’m fresh out of the shower. I have to wait a while.
Coco is currently a favourite of mine, and I like Euphoria, Pleasures, Byzance, Organza (but I preferred Organza First Light, now unavailable). The original Poison is a favourite.
I worked in an office years ago with a temp who loved her Issy Miyaki (sp?). To me it stinks. She would come in reeking of it, then spray more on during the day because she couldn’t smell it. I told her one day when she was fumigating herself in the corridor that the sign of a good perfume is that you don’t smell it on yourself but everyone else can, and the one she was wearing was quite strong enough when she arrived at work and she should leave the bottle at home.
She took my advice and I could breathe again.
There’s another perfume that to me smells like Pea-Beau. Don’t know it, but it is awful.
I miss Nina Ricci’s Capricci.
kae
6 Nov 12 at 8:38 pm
Oh, I forgot Je Riviens, by Worth. A favourite of mine when I was in my late teens.
kae
6 Nov 12 at 8:41 pm
I donated $60 on donkeys.
RE stink pretty, we got the ” potential daughter in law ” soom new Kattie Perry(?) stuff, she’s a farm girl, she cried a bit.
jumpnmcar
6 Nov 12 at 8:52 pm
some
jumpnmcar
6 Nov 12 at 8:52 pm
Yet another excellent Insight tonight (SBS Jenny Brockie) re use of provocatIon as a defense in murder. Gentleman from Tasmania is very informative.
My conclusion is that our Eminent Judges are letting us down. Judges seem not live in the real world.
hzhousewife
6 Nov 12 at 8:55 pm
Diorissimo
The only perfume to wear.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 9:13 pm
kae – have to agree re Je reviens.
Another favourite is Georgio.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 9:16 pm
An ancient pretty one is Shalimar.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 9:17 pm
Chanel no 5 cant beat it either but it doesnt beat Diorissimo to me. I always get the most favourable feedback wearing that one and been earing it for decades.
Based on lily of the valley…
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 9:20 pm
Elizabeth, I don’t want to barge in where I’m not welcome while ladies are discussing their finery, but I thought I might be able to help with future forays into the world of the Melbourne Cup that will surely follow the office sweep – tips that I’m sure DHA is already aware of:
1. Never back horses whose European trainers think their equine money eaters can travel 17,000 kms standing up in a noisy old air freighter without freshening up in the luxury to which they’re accustomed and having a run around with the other horsies in a prelude in the paddock at Caulfield or Flemington or Geelong first.
2. While Gai Waterhouse was once a bit-part actor in Dr Who, she can’t be trusted to train a winner in a race of more than a mile and a quarter (2000m), which rules out the Melbourne Cup, which is two miles (3200m). In fact, as DHA will surely tell you, she can’t train a pig to be dirty, except at Randwick in Sydney.
3. The word “cup” is actually pronounced with a nasaly, uneducated accent where the letter ‘c’ becomes ‘g’, i.e. gup.
4. Best of all, your ticket to the Birdcage at Flemington requires your date to pay for and serve you expensive French champagne in crystal, canapes and other non-fattening French words and guarantees you endless ogling and adulation.
5. Being a lady, you must resist the desire to become a drunken tramp at 4.30pm and walk home crying, makeup running, with your shoes in your hands.
I definitely recommend at least one flying five-star visit to the world’s best party. Pip pip.
Tom
6 Nov 12 at 9:22 pm
Have a sister with dark hair – who loves opium. It suits her.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 9:23 pm
A friend, years ago (70s), loved Arpege. On her it was beautiful, perfect.
I tried it – yuk. Awful.
Perfume is an individual thing. Noone should buy a woman perfume unless the know exactly which scent she likes.
Some I like but can’t wear give me headaches and/or make me sneeze – I don’t wear them. They don’t need to be banned (just bathing in them needs to be regulated when wearer is in my proximity).
kae
6 Nov 12 at 9:23 pm
I was woking today in town. Alas no live tream in class. Had to get the kids to google their ipads in class to fid out who won.
Lots of ladies with cute hats on the bus on the way home. None crying or carrying their shoes.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 9:25 pm
Shiane is gone. Flat as a pancake tonight – what was her feedback in her ears?
kae
6 Nov 12 at 9:26 pm
Jae – gunny about that. On my Mum Aepege smells lovely. On my sister Opium smells beautiful, On me neither work.
I think it depends.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 9:27 pm
Sorry Kae – spelt your name wrong. Type too fast.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 9:28 pm
Can anyone help me out with a nice scent for a 20 year old male?
I buy him special aftershave perfume when we go overseas but I never know whats nice for twenty year old boys by way of aftershave scent?
Any ideas? He takes what I buy and says he likes it (Ive bought CK and something else) but I never know what to buy really. What is popular in that age group? Do they wear perfume? What do boys like?
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 9:35 pm
You perhaps never graduated from university Alice, your life story is bullshit.
No Australian university has ever had a graduating class/year of 3000 commerce students (yet you claim to have done so [coming 11th out of 3000 students] in the late 1980s if your story about having a 20-21 year old son born after you studied UG, being too busy to meet your future husband whilst studying, is true at all).
Go away and leave the sane people alone.
.
6 Nov 12 at 9:37 pm
Listen Dot – go away.
You are so boring with this nonsense. You ahvent looked up the stats. Indeed Sydney unis had garduating classers per year of 3000 whe I graduated,
Now go away. Are you looking at only one campus you clumsy fool and not amalgamating the ones that had two or more active campuases. You dont recall because you are too stupid and too yoing to remember that in those days unis had two or more campuses because they were consilidating the old CAE campuses.
Now fuck off Dtt, I really dont have time for beginners who dont do either their homewoork or their numbers well. Now tell me how you went with MQs recent apllocation for teachers Dot? Did you apply or not or didnt you know about it?
Isnt that what you said you did for a living while you are a so called econ post grad student?? Most of the ones I know teach one or two unis Dot. Do you or dont you make the grade?
Let me get back to discussing something I am enjoying – like perfume.
Children should be seen and not heard.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 9:45 pm
Are you fucking serious? Put down the goon bag you silly old lying bitch.
You reckon you came 11th out of 3000 commerce students.
You have defended this silly story for a while now. Now you are hinting that it was for many faculties, which is bullshit as well.
You lied. Fuck off.
.
6 Nov 12 at 9:49 pm
Of course, one should never drink one’s perfume.
kae
6 Nov 12 at 9:49 pm
Answer my questons for a change Dot you little liar?
Where is it you said you were teaching as an econ post grad student?
Because I sure as hell knows someone who knows you are lying.
What is you realy run Dot? Peer help classes at uni?
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 9:50 pm
You are lying again Alice. I said a while back I am not teaching at the moment and I do work for myself.
Name names you stupid lying bitch.
.
6 Nov 12 at 9:52 pm
Dot
so called econ post gard student studying his phd claims to have taught at uni.
Why dont you send the bame of the uni you teach at and your name to Sinclair Davidson and Ill check with him and ask my friends if you ever taught anywhere.
You dare to question me? I could find out about you a lot faster than you could check on me sonny boy.
Do it Dot. Its you that are the fraud here. You dont teach anywhere or you wouldnt mind saying so and I doubt you are even and econ post gard student because yoir research skills are terrible.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 9:55 pm
Dot – its you thats lying.
You arent even an econ post grad students doing their phd (bar those at UWS) and you you dont teach anywhere boy. I know most phd econ students who teach and they teach across more than one campus and one uni.
You are not one of them.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 9:58 pm
You are so full of shit Alice. Sinclair knows who I am and a drunken moon barking freak such as yourself will not get my contact details.
My research skills are excellent!
I’ve thoroughly debunked your BS life story you made up to argue your bizzare, crank socialism economics across the blogosphere.
You have been caught out on that graduation story, suck it up and create another sockpuppet.
.
6 Nov 12 at 10:01 pm
Ohhhh Soooo
You are now not teaching at the moment and you “are doing work for yourself”????
Bullshit Dot. Most phd econ students get work teaching and at 120 an hour why would you be working for yourself?
What do you actually do Dot that earns you more than that?
You are full of bullshit. You say you are an academic student.
Bullshit Dot. You dont even know how and where thet get work. I do.
You dont. Now piss off you bumptious little prig. You arent even an econ phd postgrad student. You are a liar.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 10:02 pm
You are not even an econ post grad student Dot.
You are the fake.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 10:03 pm
Alice
Your graduation story is bullshit. As was your abortion story about England and Ireland.
Please fuck off.
.
6 Nov 12 at 10:05 pm
Something weird going on with comments. One from Viva about the perfume attacking her throat just popped into my inbox… lost in the ether for a while!
kae
6 Nov 12 at 10:05 pm
in facto who and what are you Dot? Some sort of miserable frustrated kid who got kicked out of uni for not being smart enough who now holds a grudge?
Its so obvious you dont act, think, or get employment the way most econ phd students do.
You dont know anything at all about the profession.
Go back to packing shelves or bludging off your parents Dot.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 10:07 pm
Alice
What matters is I am not some drunken idiot off their meds like you who makes up absurd life stories to slur Tony Abbot or to argue the economics of thuggish stupidity from a position of confected authority.
Which sums you up fairly well.
.
6 Nov 12 at 10:09 pm
Go tell Sinc where you work Dot, teaching as you said at some uni??? – as an econ phd student.
Ill check YOUR creds and I bet they dont exist.
You know absolutely nothing about how econ phd students get work teaching (and that depends on your intelligence).
My guess is you dont have enough and have never taught anywhere in a Sydney uni.
Go on Dot – prove me wrong.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 10:13 pm
Dot. You arent even an econ phd student – let alone teach at uni. You knolw nothing about it. What is the admission criteria to teach at a Sydney uni Dot?
List it here, How do you go about getting teaching work at Sydney unis? Tell us what you know about the process? Who gets to approve you Dot?
You are just a jealous fool who has mafe up some life hsitory you dont actually live. Sad.
Alice
6 Nov 12 at 10:18 pm
Tell me where you graduated from first, and produce the merit list you were so eager to scan last night, when you were slightly more inebriated.
No Australian university has EVER had a graduating year of 3000 commerce students.
Universities do not combine classes across faculties.
Previously you defended your “11th out of 3000 graduating students from the commerce faculty” claim. Now your excuse is “erm, CAEs were merged, um, it was for the whole university”.
Which doesn’t make sense either.
Your life story is absolute bullshit. Piss off.