Down to the wire

Twenty-four hours to go and everyone’s still in with a chance. That a president without a single significant achievement in four years and many disasters is not with certainty about to be routed is incredible. What the outcome will be no one can tell you for sure but am hoping it’s this:

And not this:


Both are realisic possibiliies built on assessments of the data. The first is a projection based on Gallup’s electorate poll and the second is from Nate Silver and The New York Times. By just past noon tomorrow we should know who will be president of the United States for the next four years.

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496 Responses to Down to the wire

  1. JC

    Ah yes, lowered expectations. The siren song of the loser.

    Is that what you said to those new partners you brought in after the firm declared bankruptcy?

  2. .

    Blinder, Zandi Say U.S. Bailouts Likely Averted a Depression
    Bloomberg

    Of course Zandi fucking says that because he was an informal adviser and major booster of the stimulus, and is in charge of Moody’s economics forecasts.

    It’s called ‘talking your book’ you fucking tit.

  3. twostix

    Funny how they conveniently forget Silver’s self-beclowning in 2010 too, huh?

    To the left 2010 simply never happened.

  4. Rabz

    “No, no, we’ve been calling Obama an absolute disaster in every respect from day one, and warning how he’s giving us the impending collapse of the US into an economic basket case worse than European socialism for 3 years now; but we didn’t mean that it would concern us particularly if he won the next election.”

    This comment bears no resemblance to reality.

    You’re the fucking clown.

  5. candy

    still think it will really be a knife edge with Mr Romney just over the line, but a really big tussle.

    certainly those punting over 300 to Obama seems a bit curious, in my opinion. only time will tell but.

  6. JC

    Don’t blame me for raising all this, Fat Boy. Blame yourself for attracting David J bringing it to our attention. Your obvious comportment and behavior here really pissed him off especially with the incongruence of what say and what happened to those poor suffering investors.

  7. Nihilist #1

    That’s a nice bike Phill.

    Wouldn’t want you to be in an accident. That thing looks quite rare. I’d hate for it to get written off.

    Thank you, it’s a beauty.

    Catallaxy descends into veiled threats.

  8. Infidel Tiger

    I’m not concerned if Obama wins. I’m a man of means and in good physical shape.

    You faggoty lefties still have to deal with Tone Abbott meeting Obama next year on the White House lawn as the PM of Australia. Personally I hope they go for bike ride.

  9. JC

    To the left 2010 simply never happened.

    Seen their calandars.. it goes

    1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2008, 2009, 2011 and it will be either 2012 or 2013 depending to tomorrow’s result.

  10. Nihilist #1

    Neil

    This site isn’t a good one for you. You really need to fuck off.

    Go talk about religion impacting the race somewhere else, you utter utter moron.

    Thanks JC, but I think I’ll stick around. I building my vocabulary reading your posts;
    “fuck”, “fucker”, moron,”, “idiot”, “doofus”…

  11. twostix

    Of course, I will await CL’s book explaining how the worst US President in history managed to get re-elected

    There’s mountains of material to work with courtesy of the left in 2004.

    He’ll have to strip out all of the busHitler is a Nazi and murdering and torturing thousands of innocent Americans conspiracy theories that were all the rage at the time though.

  12. Mad Punter

    Your call of 335 EV translates to Nate Sliver’s call

    JC, let me give it to you real slow, because that is how you seem to need it coming at you. My call is NOT 335. NOT as in didn’t happen. NOT, as in not now, not ever. NOT as in which part of NOT don’t you understand. OK? My call is Obama with 303. Just think of the Breaker and rule 303, might help you remember it for longer than a goldfish would. And it’s not just based on Silver. He’s good, he’s not God and there’s a lot of other good stuff out there.

    Now who’s the doofus?

  13. let me give it to you real slow, because that is how you seem to need it coming at you.

    Funny, that’s what I was going to tell Andrew Sullivan to say to IT when I can afford to arrange a meeting after tonight’s Lotto win.

    Would you prefer he be wearing a Romney or Obama mask, IT?

  14. Infidel Tiger

    Tone it down Steve. This is a family blog.

  15. C.L.

    Of course, I will await CL’s book explaining how the worst US President in history managed to get re-elected.

    It shouldn’t be a cerebral stretch given that the wacko left still insists George W. Bush was the worst ever. And he was, um, re-elected.

  16. Lester

    A video clip worth the 7 minutes. Reagan sums it so well even for the current times (approx 6 minute mark)

  17. Lester

    A video clip worth the 7 minutes. Reagan sums it so well even for the current times (approx 6 minute mark)

  18. I think it is also important to note the vital role that Breitbart and his website have played in this election.

    [hahahahahaha]

  19. Funny, that’s what I was going to tell Andrew Sullivan to say to IT when I can afford to arrange a meeting after tonight’s Lotto win.

    Answering one of his personal ads, are we?

  20. Alex Pundit

    I knew Steve and Tillman were on the ‘same team’.

  21. CC

    I’m calling it for Romney.

  22. Token

    Would you prefer he be wearing a Romney or Obama mask, IT?

    Poor kid has a natural reaction when confronted by the Left’s god/man.

  23. JC

    Here’s nate Silver displaying the certain confidence only a NYbetatimes writer could show.

    You. just . Have. To. Fucking. Laugh. The guy is a total fucking fraud in the political game.

    <blockquote>Former baseball statistics analyst Nate Silver, now blogging at the New York Times on elections, gives Obama an 86.3% chance of winning the Electoral College as of today. (I love the decimal point.)

    Recently, Silver offered an even money $1,000 bet to TV talking head Joe Scarborough that Obama would win, for which he has been widely praised by the increasingly dominant-in-the-media sabermetrics boys.

    Ummm Nate if you’re betting the chance of Romney winning is 14% probability you could show a better than evens offer, no?

  24. C.L.

    Final thoughts from Ace (an actual American)…

    Worth reading:

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/334683.php

  25. Token

    I knew Steve and Tillman were on the ‘same team’.

    SoB was positively giddy when he found out his beloved Tillers had returned.

    Creepy…

  26. JC

    So in effect Silver thinks his odds are total horseshit.

  27. Mad Punter

    Ummm Nate if you’re betting the chance of Romney winning is 14% probability

    Currently 8% actually. Which I think is nuts, but just saying, it isn’t 14%. Perhaps if I stay around this blog long enough JC will get it right on something. What odds can I get on that?

  28. JC

    Here’s my two pieces worth. For the most part, at least those polls that fuck around with the participation rate (not Gallup not Rassie so much), are next to fucking useless.

    2008 and 2010 were incredibly volatile years and it would be art rather than science to have those two elections influence what is going on in voter land in terms of incorporating what is going on now.

  29. banz

    The polls dont make sense to a certain extent, though a lot can be discounted due to sampling D+11 or 9. But still theres something not quite right, so many assumptions, models, relevent comparative year to model, early voters, independents, democrat vote falling, republican vote increasing, change in early voting numbers.

    Occam’s razor – Obama wins or the Bradley rule becomes apparent. If those toss up states go red, its the bradley rule. Simplest explanation and state polls will start to mirror national.

  30. Alex Pundit

    Going back on what I said last night about QANDA seemingly ignoring the election, have any of you masochistic types who subject themselves to that show know whether they’ve spoken about it at all the last few weeks?

    Again, I say, if the election was in the bag for The One, we would have nothing but full panel gloat sessions.

  31. Mad Punter

    So in effect Silver thinks his odds are total horseshit

    Seems like a smart call by Silver to me. If he is sure he is going to win, and doesn’t have to risk more than even money to pull a grand off Scarborough, why do it? Bloody hell I’d love to have you on my books as a punter JC – you are tempermental, rash, ill-informed, a one-eyed tribalist and not the smartest tool in the shed. I’d have you down at the Salvos begging for a new shirt in a week.

  32. Ned & Stacy, which I always thought a funny show, once featured a joke where Ned was talking to a new girlfriend about how he wished she wouldn’t insist on them using a Nixon mask during sex. “you know how uncomfortable it makes me feel when you wear it” was his punchline.

    You had to be there, perhaps.

  33. JC

    Currently 8% actually. Which I think is nuts, but just saying, it isn’t 14%. Perhaps if I stay around this blog long enough JC will get it right on something. What odds can I get on that?

    I’m making reference to the blockquote reporting Silver’s probability at that time, punter, you doofus. Not what it is now- not that I know what it is as I wouldn’t bother looking.

    And you missed the crux of the point. The fucking dick is predicting/ was predicting 86.3% chance of a Kenyan win but offered to bet evens on a public broadcast.

    That’s not worth commenting on according to you?

  34. Mad Punter

    Here’s my two pieces worth.

    It’s over-priced.

  35. Token

    Was this one of your sources Mad Punter?

    For some it is very persuasive for those who really like to get into metrics.

  36. Gab

    It’s over-priced.

    Gosh but that was original. And funny to0, hur hur.

  37. Gab is using a short lived gravatar. Will you go back to being a man tomorrow?

  38. Token

    I’ve got a feeling this is the article that Mad Punter used. Interesting read.

  39. Gab

    Only when you do “Steve”.

  40. JC

    Seems like a smart call by Silver to me.

    Ya think, Punter? That’s where I reckon we differ. Silver’s operation is supposed to be working out the odds in US elections. That’s what he gets paid to do.

    What he’s doing by offering evens is working hard to destroy his cred at the Times, his important source of income.

    If he is sure he is going to win, and doesn’t have to risk more than even money to pull a grand off Scarborough, why do it?

    If he’s so 86.3% sure the Kenyan is going to win how could he offer evens and wreck his franchise, you moron? It wasn’t a silent bet but a loud one on public TV.

    Bloody hell I’d love to have you on my books as a punter JC – you are tempermental, rash, ill-informed, a one-eyed tribalist and not the smartest tool in the shed. I’d have you down at the Salvos begging for a new shirt in a week.

    I wish i was as wealthy as you make out you are, punter. I can only dream.

  41. Nihilist #1

    Again, I say, if the election was in the bag for The One, we would have nothing but full panel gloat sessions.

    I’m sure it will be a topic of discussion next week.

  42. NoFixedAddress

    I’d reckon that our very own PM is the best indicator of whom is going to win the US of A presidency.

    Already there are ‘squeeks’, from some young and naive person, that we are going to protest American military personnel being based near Darwin.

    Already the President of the Philippines has been to Australia to check if our socialist government will still support the Philippines after the demise of ‘the great American experiment’.

  43. C.L.

    Mad Punter reminds me of Chris Sheil.

  44. JC

    Mad Punter reminds me of Chris Sheil.

    He actually reminds me of the old card shark’s oldie. When you’re playing cards and don’t know who the sap is, it’s invariably you.

  45. Mad Punter

    Silver’s operation is supposed to be working out the odds in US elections. That’s what he gets paid to do.

    Not odds, probabilities. They are different things entirely.

    What he’s doing by offering evens is working hard to destroy his cred at the Times, his important source of income.

    Your are confusing two different things. Professionally, Silver is just analysing data, working out the chances of A happening against B in a given political situation. It’s not a gambling service. As for his bet with Scarborough, for one, that’s private business. Scarborough was trashing Silver, he comes back and says “I’ll put my money where my mouth is” and now stands to win a thousand by risking a thousand. Perfect from Silver’s point of view. He shows he has the cajones to back himself and he stands to pull in a grand without the added risk of odds. Stick around long enough JC and you will learn something about punting. That’s assuming you are capable of taking stuff in and holding it.

  46. JC

    You’re referring to me I presume dusty, you red neck.

    I’m a birther because Odumbo was the original birther, having told his publisher he was born in Kenya and went with the same schtick when he ran for the State senate seat (obviously in order to give himself that exotic aura instead of being born in plain old Hawaii).

    Dusty, if the Kenyan tells people he was born in Kenya who am I to argue against it.

  47. NoFixedAddress

    JC
    he also ate dog.

  48. Mad Punter

    I’m a birther

    Explains everything. No chance of teaching you the punt then. I know when to fold ’em.

  49. Lord Tillman

    No, that prize goes to Tillman who argued yesterday that even if Romney and Paul Ryan win, it will be a slap in the face and an historic defeat for the Tea Party.

    Yes, the Tea Party has been slapped in the face.

    Mittens dropped trou and donkey-slapped the Tea Baggers like they’ve never been donkey-slapped before when he abandoned his “I’m a severe conservative” palaver and got all centrist.

    Skippy Ryan donkey-slapped the Tea Baggers as well by wandering away from his Tea Bag Budget, which was that particular show pony’s only trick.

    The lesson of 2012 is clear: you can’t win the general unless you are in the centre, and if you get the nom because of Tea Baggers you are going to have to bail on them to go to the White House.

    The only reason the Tea Baggers aren’t aware of their having been donkey-slapped is because they are thick as shit. Too stupid to know that they have lost and their time has passed.

  50. Gab

    More support for Obama:

    Al-Qaeda-Linked Cleric Throws Support to Obama: “He’s Gentle to Muslims Generally”.

    The Navy SEALs on the other hand don’t support Obama.

  51. Lord Tillman

    Cambria, why don’t you tell everyone about four years ago when you were kneepadding Barry with the rest of them.

  52. .

    Odumbo was the original birther, having told his publisher he was born in Kenya

    Just like Princess Elizabeth Warren of the Foxwoods casino tribe. Obama belongs to the affirmative action tribe.

  53. Lord Tillman

    The Navy SEALs on the other hand don’t support Obama

    Fortunately however the US is not a military dictatorship.

  54. .

    Um yes Lord Tillers, centrists usually work as “community organisers” at ACORN?

    Soon you’ll be telling us that Gillard is a centrist as is EMILYs List.

  55. JC

    Punter:

    The grand Sliver was risking is a side show in terms of the comp he’s receiving from The Times… both in terms of money and the publicity he’s receiving for later work once the Times goes belly up. So the Grand isn’t a big bet for him. It’s chicken feed.

    It’s not a gambling service but he is notionally at least an odds maker and supposed to be using statistical analysis to arrive at his 86.3% probability. Note the decimal.

    To offer of evens he made on such a small bet in a public showing like that is a public embarrassment for him. He’s not grubbing around for the odd 10 0r 20 bucks like you seem to be thinking you’re suddenly Kerry Packer.

    He’s a big time league player in he field he’s in and an evens bet in view of what his system is spitting out is just appalling considering the amount involved.

    You still don’t get it, do you?

  56. JC

    why don’t you tell everyone about four years ago when you were kneepadding Barry with the rest of them.

    You mean I need to tell people again? I’ve possibly admitted to that mistake perhaps 47 times and you want me to acknowledged it again. Of course I will, but it gets a little tiring.

    The lying dick came across as a Clinton centrist type and I was prepared to support and like him. But he fucking lied just like the Lying slapper, consequently I despise him like her.

    No biggie, Tillman. I happy to admit a mistake.

  57. Jarrah

    Gary Johnson calls it for Obama.

  58. Gab

    Fortunately however the US is not a military dictatorship.

    I never said it was so not sure where you got that idea.

  59. Lord Tillman

    Remember how the Tea Baggers were complaining that Mitt would lose because he wasn’t conservative enough?

    And how Mittens said “but I AM a severe conservative”?

    And how Mittens the “severe conservative” was on the road to a grade A electoral reaming until the first debate when he severely etch-a-sketched himself and told America how we need taxes and regulations and universal health care just like Mittens introduced when he was the severely moderate governor of the People’s Republic of Taxachusetts?

    And how the electorate saw Mittens drop his magic underpants and donkey-slap the Tea Baggers?

    And how much the electorate liked Mittens severely donkey-slapping the Tea Baggers?

    Well ponder on that for a while.

    And think about what happens in late 2015 when the GOP-tards gather in Iowa and some Tea Bagger gets up and says “Mitt lost because he wasn’t severely conservative enough”.

    Think that’s gonna get traction amongst GOP-tards who actually want to win in November 2016?

    Or imagine if Romney wins.

    Does he owe anything to the Tea Baggers in NH and Iowa? Nope. He ain’t doing the primary thing again.

    He has already ditched the Tea Baggers for a torrid love affair with Mr Median Voter.

    So whether Romney wins or loses 2012 is a very very bad year for the Tea Bag Party, and a very good year for Mr Median Voter and the Severely Moderate.

    Sorry wingnuts but them’s da facts.

  60. JC

    By the way Tillman, seeing your happy to post what you think is may name, any chance of you doing the same thing or that’s not your bag, you arsewipe cowardly turd.

  61. Lord Tillman

    Sorry JC didn’t know it was a secret.

  62. NoFixedAddress

    tilly and others
    having fun on this site….?

    Good for you…..

    I have 4 questions for you….

    1 What economic theory will Obamanation operate with when he wins (according to you) his second term?

    2 What will be the end result for America when he has finished his mandatory 2 terms…?

    3 What will be the consequence for us (Australians in case you are a bot)?

    4 And, what do you think Romney/Ryan will do to America over the next 8 to 16 years (if they win)?

  63. m0nty

    LOL, Ace goes 348 for Romney. He’s about as loony as Cramer.

    So I have decided the state polls are simply wrong, and the national polls understate Romney’s support by 3-4 points.

    Denial at its most plain.

  64. JC

    Sorry JC didn’t know it was a secret.

    Bullshit.

  65. Token

    Gary Johnson calls it for Obama.

    Yes, he has gifted New Mexico to Obama by splitting the vote on the centre right.

  66. .

    I’ve read some of the anti Johnson comments at Free Republic and hence the Republicans can go fuck themselves.

    Freedom is more than a low marginal tax rate and a legal gun.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2955465/posts

    What a bunch of Tillmans.

  67. Mad Punter

    Having worked out that there is a zero probability of getting through to a birther brain like yours JC, I’ve given up. I’ll just point out that Silver has a gig with the NYT and is currently the most used and quoted source of polling analysis on the globe. You, not so much. And he stands to pocket a grand from Scarborough at no extra risk. I know who I’m backing as having the smarts.

  68. .

    Having worked out that there is a zero probability of getting through to a birther brain like yours

    DUMBARSE

    BARRY CLAIMED HE WAS BORN IN KENYA.

  69. JC

    Explains everything. No chance of teaching you the punt then. I know when to fold ‘em.

    Don’t blame me, blame the Kenyan for spreading the story he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. Go ask him why he told his publisher he was born in a small village in Kenya. All I’m doing is taking his word for it.

  70. Token

    DUMBARSE

    BARRY CLAIMED HE WAS BORN IN KENYA.

    So did his grandmother.

    Plus he ate dog.

  71. Gab

    DUMBARSE

    BARRY CLAIMED HE WAS BORN IN KENYA.

    Barry’s publisher certainly understood the One was born in Kenya….or was that just another lie by Obama?

  72. My kids cleaned up on the sweep today. I’m feeling lucky for tonight’s $100 million lotto. The POTUS borrows that much every hour of every day, Wayne can only dream of those numbers. How anyone can justify voting for that, again, is beyond me.

  73. m0nty

    Dot is showing distinct signs of derangement. Not surprising when his whole world is crashing down.

  74. Mad Punter

    This place has turned into a meeting of Birthers.org. Maybe I should offer to introduce ’em to this guy I know has a bridge to sell.

  75. JC

    Having worked out that there is a zero probability of getting through to a birther brain like yours JC, I’ve given up.

    Okay, but I don’t quite get what you’ve actually given up on though punter. Explain.

    I’ll just point out that Silver has a gig with the NYT and is currently the most used and quoted source of polling analysis on the globe. You, not so much.

    Thanks for pointing what I said and also what i agree with in that I’m not a big name in that business like Silver, you dickhead.

    And he stands to pocket a grand from Scarborough at no extra risk.

    But he’s totally undercut his prediction for what he earns bigger money and gets huge publicity. He comes across as dishonest. he could have offered a smaller stake for bigger odds to at least give his Times work some cred. You still don’t get it do you Punter.

    I know who I’m backing as having the smarts.

    Lol.

  76. NoFixedAddress

    3 more comments,

    1 How dare a ‘leader’ not allow his troops to defend themselves.

    Same with Australia.

    2 If the scum that purports to lead our Australian troops stops them from defending themselves, day or night, then those ‘leaders’ should get their graft from elsewhere.

    3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o3kK5neqzHE

  77. .

    America really suffers without having a single national preferential vote for President. If you want to maintain an electoral college then they can be appointed proportionally with weighted votes by States. So voters in WI get half votes of those in PA etc. I suppose you could still run that on a State by State basis if you really deemed it necessary.

    The electoral college for President maintains the two party system. Canada has single candidate electorates and has a multi-party democracy. (It is possible to get significant minorities in Parliament without proportional representation).

    It is also worthwhile considering if the Presidential and Vice Presidential tickets need to be tied. The parties could basically run two candidates for President.

    Then again, “Governments do not like competition”.

  78. Gab

    This place has turned into a meeting of Birthers.org.

    Well. no. it hasn’t. That’s just your looney talk again. Or perhaps you have comprehension issues. What we are providing here are examples of the times Obama has used the “born in Kenya” schtick to his advantage.

  79. Lord Tillman

    I don’t know why everyone is hating on Silver.

    I go to his site and it says in big letters that Obama is a 92% fave to win the electoral college with a predicted 315 EVs.

    He is making his predictions pretty clear. There is no hedging.

    Of course, if Romney wins Nate’s career is basically over.

    But he isn’t hedging his bets. He’s putting it right out there for all to see.

  80. .

    Dot is showing distinct signs of derangement. Not surprising when his whole world is crashing down.

    I have not uttered a false word. Obama claimed he was from Kenya.

  81. Gab

    The first “birthers” were the Clintons in 2008. In fact they started it.

  82. .

    The fact that Americans get CIR on a state by state basis but not nationally is a shame as well. They could elect someone they like (Obama) and selectively give him a line item veto. The US President should also have line item veto. I understand only certain State Governors have that power.

  83. Lord Tillman

    Is it just my imagination or is JC even more angrified today than normal?

    I think my reminder that he was all for the Kenyan four years ago has put him in a funk.

  84. .

    Oh, fuck> Sorry JC; I didn’t realise you are actually intellectually challenged. I feel bad now… “Birther”… Lol.

    How does this bode for Obama who said he was actually from Kenya?

  85. JC

    This place has turned into a meeting of Birthers.org. Maybe I should offer to introduce ‘em to this guy I know has a bridge to sell.

    You really are fucking thick aren’t you, punter. Nuance seems homeless in that tiny brain of yours.

    There’s no one here I know of that thinks the Kenyan was born in Kenya. Not a single soul. He was born in Hawaii alright.

    However the lying, dishonest grub has only himself to blame for causing the Birther industry to become huge as he was the original birther. He obviously lied to his publisher, as the book insert in, Farts of my Father, told how he was born in Kenya. There’s absolutely no fucking way his book bio could have possibly carried that without his approval and acknowledgement. Strnagely the part of the bio also carried to when he was a state senator in Illinois.

  86. Lord Tillman

    According to Kates, Barry has never read the books that bear his name (which were apparently written by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed while he was hiding out in Tora Bora post-9/11).

  87. JC

    The first “birthers” were the Clintons in 2008. In fact they started it.

    Yes but the pioneering birther was of course the Kenyan himself. The Clinton staffer who found that information obviously went through the two bios and hit pay dirt.

  88. Gab

    Is it just my imagination or is JC even more angrified today than normal

    It’s your imagination. And where do you get off telling people a commenter’s surname on this site? Hey, how about you tell us your full name?

    Also, wtf is a lefty like you calling yourself a “Lord”?

  89. JC

    Is it just my imagination or is JC even more angrified today than normal?

    No it’s just your imagination.

    I think my reminder that he was all for the Kenyan four years ago has put him in a funk.

    Not at all. I’m happy to admit to a mistake, although that one was a biggie. However in the end it may have been for the best as McCain was useless and would have hurt the franchise even more. He could have killed it.

  90. Lord Tillman

    C’mon Gab. Settle. I found out JC’s name by reading it on this site… but now he’s asked that it not be used I’ll respect that.

    And besides, I haven’t told anyone the name of that Sydney law firm where you work as a junior associate have I?

  91. Lord Tillman

    My full name, BTW, is “Lord Tillman”.

  92. JC

    Anyways explain this to me Tillman. You try to come across as MR man-in-the-middle yet you support the most leftwing candidate since Herb Humphrey.

    How do you explain that divergence?

  93. Gab

    I found out JC’s name by reading it on this site

    Yes and now that you’ve flapped your gums other people will also know. You do realise newcomers, until now, had no idea of his surname.

    but now he’s asked that it not be used I’ll respect that.

    This is not the first time you have resorted to announcing his surname on this site.

  94. Lord Tillman

    Yes, but it’s the first time he’s complained about it to my knowledge. JC has (IIRC) previously linked to correspondence he’s sent under his real name.

    So he hasn’t acted like it’s a secret. But hey he has expressed his displeasure so I will respect that.

  95. JC

    I don’t know why everyone is hating on Silver.

    No one is. I don’t hate silver. I just think he’s a dishonest grub now after seeing the bet.

    I go to his site and it says in big letters that Obama is a 92% fave to win the electoral college with a predicted 315 EVs.

    Okay.

    He is making his predictions pretty clear. There is no hedging.

    So how do you explain Silver offering evens on a bet with Scarborough then, if his model is saying 86.3%. It’s not as though the grand bet is going to send either of them to the poor house. In fact it’s the smallness of the bet and the odds in relative terms that is eye opening.

    Of course, if Romney wins Nate’s career is basically over.

    It wasn’t in 2010.

    But he isn’t hedging his bets. He’s putting it right out there for all to see.

    Not by offering small bets he isn’t.

  96. CC

    What is it with Labor and adultery? Three children and a marriage destroyed. Enough of this shyte. Enough of all the soft pedalling and justification of this vile irresponsible behaviour. Howes and Wirth should be shamed and shunned as should all those who indulge in such destruction.

  97. m0nty

    So how do you explain Silver offering evens on a bet with Scarborough

    Silver’s conversation with Scarborough is like ones he has had with baseball wonks, trying to convince them that his model is superior to the crusty old recalcitrants’ superseded biases. Silver is showing everyone that Scarborough is so clueless that he will even accept an evens bet on a premise that is far from 50:50, and when Obama wins big, Scarborough is going to look like a goose. If he had offered 4:1 odds it wouldn’t have proved Silver’s point, which is that the game has changed and Scarborough’s view of the world is old hat. It happened in baseball, it’s happening in politics.

  98. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    But hey he has expressed his displeasure so I will respect that.

    As he has expressed this displeasure on each and every time his name has been used on this site, including those previous times by you, Tillman. I too have been here long enough to remember your past form.

    Try to get your respect in first next time, and don’t disclose personal details. To disclose these for anyone is the ultimate in crass and/or vindictive behaviour.

  99. Quentin George

    Man, I will be glad when I don’t have to hear about this election anymore.

  100. JC

    Fat boy.

    Silver offered the bet. The odds were way off what the model he is defending suggested.

    And you have it arse about and backwards like you always do, you innumerate illogical dope.

    Offering such low odds doesn’t impact on Scarborough, it makes Silver appear dishonest. If Sliver had offered 3 or 4 to one of course Scarborough would have taken the bet seeing he took evens. It was silly of him to as he should have pointed out Silver was a dishonest grub, but he didn’t. That’s left to people like me of course.

    And no, the bet isn’t like the one you took with Dot for 50 bucks. It was a bet made on TV so it was very public where reputations are made and lost. Big difference, you fat oaf.

  101. JC

    The “Birther” movement is full of whack jobs who also believe in other great conspiracies such as Area 51 and fake moon landings.

    Others like 45% of the Democrat party believed George Bush took down the WTC and the Pentagon.

  102. JC

    Politico re 9/11:

    More than half of Democrats believed Bush knew.

    I heard that slap across the ears from 1000 miles away.

  103. Rococo Liberal

    My full name, BTW, is “Lord Tillman”.

    It may be spelt Lord Tillman but is pronounced ‘Flaming Arsehole’

  104. Rococo Liberal

    I see none of the Obama lovers took up my challenge. I assume that you all agree that Obama is indefensibly naff.

  105. Lord Tillman

    Hey Retardo Liberal

    Why don’t you tell us why you are such a douche.

  106. max49

    What is it with Labor and adultery

    If you have no private morals its a fair bet you don’t have public morals either…

  107. Gab

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Obama: vote for me or I’ll crrryyyyyy!!

  108. JC

    Got a source for that Birther Boy

    Here, you appalling idiot. It’s not exactly what I posted but close enough.

    Politico re 9/11:

    More than half of Democrats believed Bush knew.

  109. SteveC

    Rococo at 6:45,l see my posts at 12.24, 12.44 and 12.52

  110. Gab

    Magic.

    Good one, Tillman. I’m still laughing.

  111. ella

    Or Max,

    A person with two moral codes can’t be trusted.

  112. .

    Nihilist didn’t answer question. If birthers are whackjobs, what does that make Obama who once claimed he was a Kenyan?

  113. JC

    Neil

    You’re just upset because you’re treated like smelly trashed here. You get kicked around from here to Sunday

    Now answer Dot’s question, you dishonest piece of turd.

  114. Tom

    That bushfire must be close. I’ve never seen such a frenzy of frightened bush critters. It’s our duty to let them shit in our manger. We’ll clean up the stench tomorrow.

  115. SteveC

    Technically dot, Obama did not claim that he was born in Kenya. A publicist wrote that in a publicity piece for a book in 1991. You can argue that Obama deliberately chose not to correct it, or that he simply decided it didn’t matter. But you can’t say “Obama claimed he was born in Kenya”

  116. JC

    Neil says:

    Oh seriously Birthday Boy. Read the comments on that article.

    You mean the article which had this to say?

    How likely is it that people in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East?” the poll asked.

    A full 22.6% of Democrats said it was “very likely.” Another 28.2% called it “somewhat likely.”

    That is: More than half of Democrats, according to a neutral survey, said they believed Bush was complicit in the 9/11 terror attacks.

  117. SteveC

    JC, you need to work on your logic:
    people in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks
    does not imply (or infer for dot) Bush was complicit in the 9/11 terror attacks.

    There is no reference to Bush in the question. I note also the article doesn’t give the breakdown for Republicans

  118. .

    Technically dot, Obama did not claim that he was born in Kenya. A publicist wrote that in a publicity piece for a book in 1991. You can argue that Obama deliberately chose not to correct it, or that he simply decided it didn’t matter. But you can’t say “Obama claimed he was born in Kenya”

    Technically Clinton didn’t have sex with Lewinsky and technically Congress was just doing it’s job investigating such a triviality.

    etc. …

  119. candy

    The place where you were born is significiant in anyone’s mind because it’s about yourself, so it’s odd he let it go through in a book. It perhaps sounded exotic and the publisher liked it like that. She could have chosen Australia even!

  120. JamesK

    Nihilist didn’t answer question. If birthers are whackjobs, what does that make Obama who once claimed he was a Kenyan?

    Obumma is a Kenyan if he says he’s a Kenyan.

    Just because he is said to be “light-skinned” who is said to be “articulate and bright and clean” but with “no Negro dialect unless he wanted to have one”, in no way obviates his right to be a Kenyan if he says he is.

  121. SteveC

    No see dot that’s entirely where you are wrong. Clinton said he didn’t have sex with Lewinsky, on the debatable pretext that oral sex is not sex.

    Obama DID NOT claim he was born in Kenya. I’m sure you have been introduced as a speaker at a conference with in inaccurate bio. Have you gone to the trouble to correct the bio? Which would involve pulping all the printed versions and printing new ones. That would seem a rather pointless exercise to make an unimportant correction.

  122. SteveC

    JamesK, Obama does not claim to be born in Kenya. However I’m sure he identifies strongly with the place of birth of his father.

  123. JamesK

    find me ONE candidate even on the fringe of the Democratic party who was running on the believe that Bush was “in on it”…. ONE.

    Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee describing a theory held by some that President George W. Bush knew about the 9-11 attack coming to America:

    “I don’t know. There are many theories about it. The most interesting theory that I’ve heard so far, which is nothing more than a theory, I can’t—think it can’t be proved, is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis. Now, who knows what the real situation is, but the trouble is that by suppressing that kind of information, you lead to those kinds of theories, whether they have any truth to them or not, and then eventually they get repeated as fact. So I think the president is taking a great risk by suppressing the clear, the key information that needs to go to the Kean commission.”

  124. SteveC

    candy, it wasn’t in a book. It was in a publicity leaflet for a book. Like a piece of junk mail advertising something.

  125. Tom

    I think we’re breaking new ground: a busy thread that’s 100% trolls and troll responses.

  126. Slim

    [If you have information about an actual crime inform the relevant authorities. Sinc]

  127. SteveC

    JamesK at 7.28, how are those two statements linked? Is Dean saying what he believed, or what he had heard others believed?

  128. .

    Obama DID NOT claim he was born in Kenya. I’m sure you have been introduced as a speaker at a conference with in inaccurate bio. Have you gone to the trouble to correct the bio?

    This is the kind of thing you expect people to correct in authorised biographies, yes.

  129. JC

    Technically dot, Obama did not claim that he was born in Kenya. A publicist wrote that in a publicity piece for a book in 1991. You can argue that Obama deliberately chose not to correct it, or that he simply decided it didn’t matter. But you can’t say “Obama claimed he was born in Kenya”

    Kimberly’s lover, how the fuck would you possibly explain how anyone could possibly come up with the incorrect fact check that the idiot was born in Kenya in the jacket of his book, Farts of My Father and then this simply gets past the author without him looking at it carefully?

    Who the fuck told the publisher where he was born?

    Explain the possibilities and the cul de sac one would have to down to reach this deadend, you incomparable lying moron.

  130. JamesK

    Van Jones, Obumma green jobs czar and communist was a truther

  131. SteveC

    This is the kind of thing you expect people to correct in authorised biographies, yes.

    which authorised biography?

  132. JC

    candy, it wasn’t in a book. It was in a publicity leaflet for a book. Like a piece of junk mail advertising something.

    What SteveC, The plastic doll lover, is referring to Candy is the book jacket.

    That’s now called a piece of junk mail advertising something.

  133. SteveC

    JC, was it in the jacket of the book? I thought it was in a publicity leaflet. Have you got a reference showing it wa sin the jacket of the book?

  134. JC

    JamesK, Obama does not claim to be born in Kenya. However I’m sure he identifies strongly with the place of birth of his father.

    Lol…

  135. max49

    Honestly who gives a shit where he was born.Its about is he good or bad for America,which by implication means us…my book is he is bad for all of us..

  136. JC

    JC, was it in the jacket of the book?

    As far as I recall, yes.

    I thought it was in a publicity leaflet.

    What the fuck is a publicity leaflet you lying moron? How many books come with a publicity leaflet? You know of any?

    Have you got a reference showing it wa sin the jacket of the book?

    Go do the work yourself.

  137. .

    A publicity leaflet is something I presume that Obama more or less would have to agree to. I find it bizzare the information was incorrect given he was probably asked to supply it himself.

    Consider yourself educated, turkey.

  138. Jannie

    I suspect the Birthing thing is some phurphy to lay red herrings, and associate conservatives with conspiracy theories. His father is surely Kenyan, but his Hawaiian birth certificate and extract have been tabled somewhere, sorry cant quote it.

  139. JC

    Honestly who gives a shit where he was born.Its about is he good or bad for America,which by implication means us…my book is he is bad for all of us.

    It’s the leftist trolls here who seem to care. I was called a troofer because I refer to him as the Kenyan which the leftists here seem to object to because they don’t like Africans very much.

  140. candy

    SteveC is right I reckon, Obama/publisher put Kenya because the book was called “Dreams of my Father” and Kenyan birth sounded warm and he felt close to memories of his father with that. I can see that.
    It was probably thought to be a small matter that no-one would notice anyway.

  141. JamesK

    JamesK at 7.28, how are those two statements linked? Is Dean saying what he believed, or what he had heard others believed?

    LOL

    Don’t be a dickwad Steve.

    It’s obvious what Dean was doing

  142. Scapula

    Even Breitbart says it was a leaflet or pamphlet and never a part of the published book but of something that was for the publishing industry and the writer acknowledges it as an error.

  143. Gab

    Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.

  144. JC

    Jannie

    He was obviously born in Hawaii. Of that I don’t have any doubt.

    He got caught in his birther thing because the lying delusional idiot attempted give himself some exotic appearance as though he was somehow special having been born in a far off exotic place.

  145. JamesK

    and the writer acknowledges it as an error.

    Yeah?

    He kinda woulda have to an all.

    Hew long after did he deny admit it was an error?

  146. max49

    He came out of a test tube..can we move on.

  147. Gab

    Obama has been known frequently to fictionalize aspects of his own life. During his 2008 campaign, for instance, Obama claimed that his dying mother had fought with insurance companies over coverage for her cancer treatments.

    That turned out to be untrue, but Obama has repeated the story–which even the Washington Post called “misleading”–in a campaign video for the 2012 election.

  148. JC

    Neil

    Don’t resort to those games of lying or think you can capture people with lies and innuendo. It doesn’t work.

    Now go find a site where people want to talk about the religious aspect of the election.. the subject you wanted to introduce earlier and were laughed off the site.

    You really are fully retarded.

  149. Alfonso

    On really interesting non investigated event in Oby’s life is his moment of religious rapture when he rejected Allah and embraced Christianity.

    Musta been a biggy.
    Flash of white light?
    Voices?
    Timeline?

    I’m hoping for an extensive briefing on the matter in his second term, when he has nothing to lose.

  150. JC

    Even Breitbart says it was a leaflet or pamphlet and never a part of the published book but of something that was for the publishing industry and the writer acknowledges it as an error.

    Okay, you;’re taking short cuts again. How could such an error arise?

    Explain it please.

  151. Gab

    and the writer acknowledges it as an error.

    heh, eventually…

    Goderich’s statement fails to explain why the “fact checking error” persisted for sixteen years, through at least three different versions of Jane Dystel’s website, and through at least four different versions of Obama’s biography.

    It persisted, in fact, more than two years after Obama became a United States Senator, and until after Obama had declared his campaign for the presidency in 2007.

  152. Jannie

    I get it JC. How to get higher in the hierarchy.

  153. Jannie

    Obama claimed that his dying mother had fought with insurance companies over coverage for her cancer treatments.

    Thats nothing. Kev was brought up in shoe box in middle of road.

  154. JC

    Neil

    Well that’s good that you’re leaving then, no?

    You retard.

  155. Gab

    It is quite interesting the same year Obama graduated from Harvard, the booklet was published with the clear “born in Kenya”. As JC has pointed out before, perhaps that’s how Obama got into Harvard by trading on his “born in Kenya” spiel.

  156. Gab

    lol I note Nihilist’s language belies his prior moral admonishments. Hypocrite.

  157. Sinclair Davidson

    Not only is Nihilist leaving, he was never here.

  158. boy on a bike

    Media outlets report that the possibility of a Romney Presidency has prompted the exodus among left-leaning citizens who fear they’ll soon be required to “hold down a job, hunt, pray, and agree with Bill O’Reilly.”

    Canadian border farmers noted that dozens of sociology professors, animal rights activists and Unitarians crossed their fields last night. “I went out to milk the cows yesterday, and there was a Hollywood producer huddled in the barn,” said Manitoba farmer Red Nesterenko, whose acreage borders North Dakota. The producer was cold, exhausted and hungry. “He asked me if I could spare a latte and some free-range chicken. When I gave him some fresh warm goat milk he tossed his cookies and left. Didn’t even get a chance to show him my screenplay, eh?”

    Thanks to Paco for uncovering that – and there’s more at the link.

  159. max49

    I really despise those disgusting lefties that were spewed out of the 60s and 70s…

  160. Lord Tillman

    I think we’re breaking new ground: a busy thread that’s 100% trolls and troll responses.

    Bullshit. This is old school. Some of the noobs just don’t get how we roll around here.

    A is A. A carbon tax for Australia? Pyramids on Mars. Keelhaul. Illegal statutes. Campion.

  161. Jeremiah

    I’m calling it for Obama unfortunately, I think its done. I’m hoping I’m wrong but I just don’t see Romney winning.

    I’m actually more excited about the humble pie eating contest about to take place over the next few days!

  162. JC

    I’m actually more excited about the humble pie eating contest about to take place over the next few days!

    Why though? There nothing wrong with making reasonably thought out predictions and also being wrong. No one should need to eat humble pie as the race appears to be close and we don’t really have much of an edge in knowing the winner in a complex system such as US.

  163. Jannie

    I really despise those disgusting lefties that were spewed out of the 60s and 70s

    Hey Max, take it easy. Most people are leftish when young. But plenty old Lefties made the natural journey into responsible reality. You get smarter as you get older.

    Its the professional Leftists that I most dislike, not the crazies.

  164. Tom

    We’re back to 11 website wreckers per thread. No DDOS required. Disappointing. The job can be done much faster with zero regulation.

  165. JamesK

    I’m calling it for Obama unfortunately, I think its done. I’m hoping I’m wrong but I just don’t see Romney winning.

    I’m actually more excited about the humble pie eating contest about to take place over the next few days!

    The two statements are internally inconsistent.

  166. Jannie

    Thats what I thought James. Glad somebody pointed it out.

  167. max49

    Agree Jannie,put it badly .I was referring to bob,mc callum,greer and all that so called academic lot..

  168. Jannie

    We’re back to 11 website wreckers per thread. No DDOS required. Disappointing. The job can be done much faster with zero regulation.

    At the risk of appearing stupid, could somebody explain?

  169. candy

    What happened to Mr Blogstrop, he was quite funny often.

  170. SteveC

    The booklet, which was distributed to “business colleagues” in the publishing industry, includes a brief biography of Obama among the biographies of eighty-nine other authors represented by Acton & Dystel.

    There’s a job for you JC, check all the other bios for factual correctness too.

    So was it the book jacket of Obama’s book? No
    Was it an authorised biography? No
    Was it publicity (Ok it was a booklet, not leaflet)? Yes

    It would be quite handy if JC and dot would occasionally check their facts before crapping on.

  171. JamesK

    Video Ad: Young daughters/girls urge mothers to vote for Obama, preserve abortion access

    The children in the video, who range in age from toddlers to their early teens, urge their mothers to vote for abortion access because they cannot.

    “Mom, I can’t vote yet. But you can. So when you go into the voting booth, please think about me.
    Think about me when you vote. And please, please, please, vote for President Obama. Otherwise your vote is a vote against me. Mom, make the right choice, so when I grow up, I can still have one”

  172. Jeremiah

    JC yeah I agree with you, its been really interesting reading all of the analysis and discussion going on and I’ve always got respect for anyone willing to stake out a position and then defend it, anything other than that is just cowardly IMHO.

    JamesK: I’m really not that invested in the US election so the result will not matter much to me personally. I am absolutely convinced though that a Romney win will be better for Oz, how much better though? Hard to say…

    In the end though I’m just here for the entertainment value. Sometimes its just nice to watch the world burn 😉

  173. Rococo Liberal

    Tillers

    I am a douche that flushes out twats like you.

  174. JamesK

    You’re fascinating Jeremiah.

  175. SteveC

    As JC has pointed out before, perhaps that’s how Obama got into Harvard by trading on his “born in Kenya” spiel.

    I don’t think so Gab.

    First Black Elected to Head Harvard’s Law Review Feb 6, 1990

    The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University who spent four years heading a community development program for poor blacks on Chicago’s South Side before enrolling in law school. His late father, Barack Obama, was a finance minister in Kenya and his mother, Ann Dunham, is an American anthropologist now doing fieldwork in Indonesia. Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii.

  176. Mk50 of Brisbane

    You are all bored now and just quacking on.

    What happens, happens.

  177. Helen Armstrong

    I am glad Neil has gone – He was very angry and spread his poison, it was kinda like reading what a dementor would write, by reading it it sucked the essence out of you. So I stopped reading him and just slipped on by to someone else.

  178. SteveC

    A new straw poll. How long Gab stick with her new Gravatar after Obama wins?

  179. badm0f0

    Keelhaul. Illegal statutes. Campion.

    Omelettes=broken eggs.Constitutionally invalid laws enacted by the legislature. Traitor & spy.

  180. Sinclair Davidson

    Traitor & spy.

    Cool – thread of doom.

  181. Jannie

    James, that video is child abuse. Appalling.

  182. JamesK

    I liked these bits from Steve’s link:

    Professors and students at the law school reacted cautiously to Mr. Obama’s selection. ”For better or for worse, people will view it as historically significant,” said Prof. Randall Kennedy, who teaches contracts and race relations law. ”But I hope it won’t overwhelm this individual student’s achievement.”

    Change in Selection System

    Mr. Obama was elected after a meeting of the review’s 80 editors that convened Sunday and lasted until early this morning, a participant said.

    Until the 1970’s the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank…….

    Black enrollment at Harvard Law School, after a dip in the mid-1980’s, has reached a record high this year, said Joyce Curll, the director of admissions. Of the 1,620 students in the three-year school, 12.5 percent this year are blacks, she said, and 14 percent of the first-year class are black. Nationwide enrollment by blacks in undergraduate colleges has dropped in recent years.

    Mr. Obama succeeds Peter Yu, a first-generation Chinese-American, as president of The Law Review. After graduation, Mr. Yu plans to serve as a clerk for Chief Judge Patricia Wald on the of the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.

    Mr. Yu said Mr. Obama’s election ”was a choice on the merits, but others may read something into it.”

    The first female editor of The Harvard Law Review was Susan Estrich, in 1977, who recently resigned as a professor at Harvard Law School to take a similar post at the University of Southern California. Ms. Estrich was campaign manager for Gov. Michael S. Dukakis of Massachusetts in his campaign for the Presidency in 1988.

  183. Lord Tillman

    Retardo Liberal sez:

    I am a douche

    At last a wingnut with a modicum of self-awareness and honesty. How refreshing.

  184. Lord Tillman

    thread of doom

    If Kates didn’t keep opening a new US election thread everyday this would be a legit ToD by now.

  185. JamesK

    James, that video is child abuse. Appalling.

    Leftism is an appalling religion Jannie

  186. Jannie

    Do you ever get the feeling something is going on that we dont know about?

  187. JamesK

    Do you ever get the feeling something is going on that we dont know about?

    All the time.

    It’s the media who know all about unknown knowns.

  188. Gab

    If Kates didn’t keep opening a new US election thread everyday this would be a legit ToD by now.

    Oh quit your belly-aching, you two bit lefty. the election only happens once every four years.

  189. Lord Tillman

    Do you ever get the feeling something is going on that we dont know about?

    It’s called the Shadow Government.

    They must shit themselves laughing when they read threads like this.

  190. Lord Tillman

    My final prediction: tomorrow night our time, President Obama has 299 EVs locked with 29 still undecided.

    I guess we’ll see, won’t we?

  191. Jannie

    Tillman, you know they are reading? Good thing our embarrassment is hidden by our anonimity.

    Knowingly not knowing is outright dangerous when combined with stupidity. Like Good Intentions.

  192. JamesK

    No more Mr. No Drama Obama: POTUS cries…while Romney beams

    Get out the Kleenex. The man formerly known as “No Drama Obama” pulled out all the stops – and unleashed some tear drops — in Iowa tonight. We didn’t see them fall when our murdered diplomatic staff came home from Benghazi in coffins. We didn’t see them during Obama’s tour of areas devastated by Hurricane Sandy. And we didn’t see them over the last four years of dismal jobs report releases. But with his pride and the election hanging in the balance, the formerly diffident president has turned on the spigot.

  193. badm0f0

    Knowingly not knowing is outright dangerous when combined with stupidity.

    I think I’m going to start appending that to all my meeting invitations.

  194. Lord Tillman

    Jannie, are you aware of this website?

    It’s one that’s shaped my thinking tremendously.

  195. steve from brisbane

    Oddly, it seems to have gone unremarked upon that in LA County they will also be voting on a law to make condom use compulsory in porn videos. I wonder what the polling thinks about that….

  196. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    What happened to Mr Blogstrop, he was quite funny often.

    +1

    Blogstrop. Calling Bloooogstrop. Da trolls are slowing going. We are missing you.

  197. SteveC

    dot, above you were arguing”

    America really suffers without having a single national preferential vote for President. If you want to maintain an electoral college then they can be appointed proportionally with weighted votes by States. So voters in WI get half votes of those in PA etc. I suppose you could still run that on a State by State basis if you really deemed it necessary.

    but on another thread you are arguing

    I would have been against Canberra as a turn of the century politician.

    Parliament could just sit out of session to States on a rotational basis, each State capital could have a residence for the PM and Melbourne gets defence, Sydney gets Treasury, Perth gets the High Court, Adelaide gets the naval HQ, Brisbane gets the Army HQ, etc.

    You seem to be arguing for and against national government at the same time. The whole point of the electoral college is because the states (especially the small states) didn’t (and i guess still don’t) trust the feds.

  198. Gab

    The President of the United States crying on the world stage. How embarrassing and what a sook. A little child throwing a tantrum to get what he wants. I’ve seen shallow before in a person but that really takes the cake.

    What an Academy Award-winning performance and more deserving of an Oscar than his Nobel.

  199. Jannie

    Um no Tillman I had a look and it would be a while before I formed an opinion. Looks boring. Mostly I just rely on my wits and bs detector.

  200. Mk50 of Brisbane

    Tillers:

    Jannie, are you aware of this website [Bird]?

    It’s one that’s shaped my thinking tremendously.

    Bwhahahahahahahahahaaaaa….

    Tillers considers himself a thinker!

    That’s a good belly-laugh to go to bed on. Early start and off out west again for a couple of days.

  201. Lord Tillman

    Early start and off out west again for a couple of days.

    Safe travels and don’t forget your Depends.

  202. Tiny Dancer

    SteveC – dense till the bitter end

  203. Lord Tillman

    Bullshit Gab. It was magic.

  204. JamesK

    Lordie don’t the Birdie’s name in vain.

  205. JamesK

    Obama gets endorsement from Osama bin Laden’s buddy

    “You know what ‘Baraka’ means in Arabic? Blessing,” says veteran Islamist leader Hassan al-Turabi, who is linked to al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in the 1990s.

    Turabi told AFP news agency that he hopes U.S. President Barack Obama will win a second term on Tuesday.

    “Obama of course,” Turabi said when asked about his U.S. presidential preference during an interview.

    “He’s gentle towards the Muslims generally,” Turabi said, and referred to Obama’s childhood spent in Muslim-majority Indonesia, and his Kenyan father who was raised a Muslim.

    Obama uses the word “terrorism” far less than his predecessor George W. Bush, and his name is a variant of the Arabic word “Baraka,” Turabi said.

  206. Gab

    Wonder how many times the O used “magic” to get his way.

    Magic (sometimes referred to as stage magic to distinguish it from paranormal or ritual magic) is a performing art that entertains audiences by staging tricks or creating illusions of seemingly impossible[1] or supernatural[2] feats using natural means. These feats are called magic tricks, effects, or illusions.

  207. Gab

    The New York Times said it best in 2008:

    Senator Obama understands as well as any politician the power of a well-told story. He has risen in politics less on his track record than on his telling of his life story —

    The story of O by O.

  208. Tom

    Allowing Dogshit and the Toolman to trash the website and turn it into a zombie circus act is not as crazy as it seems. It’s a pity we can’t call it The Drum (already taken). For the rest of us, what will we call the new Cat? Will we need a password? Will we have to pay (both excellent ideas)?

  209. .

    You seem to be arguing for and against national government at the same time. The whole point of the electoral college is because the states (especially the small states) didn’t (and i guess still don’t) trust the feds.

    No.

    If you get confused again, I’m sorry it doesn’t get any simpler than this:

    1. We should have Federated.

    2. We didn’t necessarily need to build a new centralised Federal capital.

    3. That doesn’t invalidate Federation or make a Federal Government unworkable.

    4. The US should adopt fairer voting systems, and it can incorporate the electoral college system.

    5. The US citizen should have recall powers and the ability to strike down laws through referenda at a Federal level, it is prevalent at the State level.

    6. The President should have line item veto as well like some State Governors over there do.

  210. Token

    Cool – thread of doom.

    Sinc, can we get a new OT?

    Productivities up, we’ve filled our quota of over 1,200 posts on the OT and will pop 500 more here soon…

  211. Sinclair Davidson

    New OT will open up at 1am – in time for the US polls to open.

  212. Token

    Thanks Snic, I’ve let the night shift enjoy the dogfight to be the first to comment on Rabz latest piece of mu-zac.

  213. JamesK

    Catholic priest’s homily on the election and ‘intrinsic evil’.

    Not even the dumbest of the congregation were left under any illusions about the nature of Obummer and ‘intrinsic evel’ and not contributing to it without him ever having said so directly.

    Fr. Weiss speaks forcefully to Catholic voters, warning them that they must put the Faith ahead of partisanship. This is an election with consequences of Biblical proportion. We cannot grant all issues of public policy the same weight. How to perform the corporal works of mercy, such as feeding the hungry or sheltering the homeless, is a matter for debate. But we cannot be complicit with intrinsic evil. That is not debatable. Among the intrinsic evils are abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, contraception, sterilization, and same sex marriage. Father warns that those who have already voted for intrinsic evil, with full knowledge, and without repenting, will lose their souls. Using words from the Declaration of Independence, he calls on us to alter our government, bringing it into conformance with “the laws of nature and of nature’s God,”

    I think Ohio’s catholics will burn Obummer at the ballot box.

  214. Dianne

    Not sure if someone else has posted this but – do you think that Annabel Crabbe should have told those republican voters – like the Daughters of the Confederacy – that she was on a taxpayer funded junket….

    To hilarious for words…Foreign Correspondent, the lefties will be thinking this is a triumph…

  215. Token

    No more Mr. No Drama Obama: POTUS cries…while Romney beams

    Bronco Bamma shouldn’t cry, he’s got the the vagina’s of America out there delivering monologues.

  216. JamesK

    Excellent new Romney ad attacks Obama over massive military cuts

    America’s military leaders agree: Barack Obama’s massive defense cuts will be devastating to our troops and their families. Mitt Romney will protect America’s military and their families, and reverse the President’s devastating defense cuts.

  217. Ellen of Tasmania

    “KOGELO, Kenya (AP) — At President Barack Obama’s ancestral village in Kenya, witch doctor John Dimo tossed some shells, bones and other items to determine who will win Tuesday’s election.

    After throwing the objects like so many dice outside his hut in Kogelo village, Dimo, who says he is 105 years old, points to a white shell and declares: “Obama is very far ahead and is definitely going to win.””

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AF_KENYA_OBAMA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-05-07-27-50

  218. C.L.

    Annabel Crabbe’s junk piece was chocka with all the usual clueless Australian cliches so beloved of the bobo class. Lots of words like “crazy” and “scary.” She was referring to America’s voting system. It doesn’t seem to have occurred to her how utterly risible this was coming from a citizen of a country whose last election ended with an unelected junta appointed by Rob Oakeshott.

  219. .

    It doesn’t seem to have occurred to her how utterly risible this was coming from a citizen of a country whose last election ended with an unelected junta appointed by Rob Oakeshott.

    C.L. didn’t like the Transformers Movie when he was a boy.

  220. Alex Pundit

    It doesn’t seem to have occurred to her how utterly risible this was coming from a citizen of a country whose last election ended with an unelected junta appointed by Rob Oakeshott.

    Yeah I know.

    Seriously, the only reason I’d be scared if I were her would be because her beloved is about to lose.

  221. CL, we don’t do hanging chads and electronic voting, along with (what seems to be) constant fiddling at a State level with matters affecting eligibility to vote.

    The American system for Federal elections is just undeniably shambolic.

  222. Tiny Dancer

    Crabbeneeds to drink heavily. It was a comedy without t a comedian

  223. Goooood morning! Off to go do my bit to paint North Carolina red again.

    Good 6:30am polling day music: The Star Spangled Banner by Madison Rising.

    (Bonus MR track just for bedwetting little hoplophobe SfB: Right To Bear)

  224. Alex Pundit

    At least we don’t practically force idiots who aren’t interested in politics or the affairs of the nation to vote. And don’t give me any of this they will just vote informal, many of them don’t know that they can do that.

  225. Alex Pundit

    What’s the feeling like out there Spot?

    They got the baseball bats ready?

  226. .

    Hmmm. Why can’t we have voluntary voting with our excellent admin and fair, efficient voting systems?

    It has been said before but anything other than pencil and paper is suspect.

  227. JamesK

    It has been said before but anything other than pencil and paper is suspect.

    The Dems cuts their teeth on pencil and paper dot.

  228. Jannie

    Bronco Bamma shouldn’t cry, he’s got the the vagina’s of America out there delivering monologues.

    Token, not quite as awful as the child abuse video, but there is another name for that woman that I was taught not to use.

  229. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Annabel Crabbe’s junk piece was chocka with all the usual clueless Australian cliches so beloved of the bobo class.

    Yes, people like La Crabbe don’t seem to ‘get’ America, even when they’re in it.

    Parochial Australians. I’ve met lots of sophisticated Americans who laugh at us. Nor surprising really.

  230. JC

    The booklet, which was distributed to “business colleagues” in the publishing industry, includes a brief biography of Obama among the biographies of eighty-nine other authors represented by Acton & Dystel.

    There’s a job for you JC, check all the other bios for factual correctness too.

    So was it the book jacket of Obama’s book? No
    Was it an authorised biography? No
    Was it publicity (Ok it was a booklet, not leaflet)? Yes

    It would be quite handy if JC and dot would occasionally check their facts before crapping on.

    SteveC

    Where did the bio come from, you fucking idiot. The publisher said the the bio was a fact checking error. How?

    look fuckhead, unless you come with an answer you ought to be banned for being the arsehole you are.

  231. alan

    JC

    7 Nov 12 at 12:23 am

    Good morning Hesus.
    You must be the most bad tempered, nasty piece of work that I have encountered in a long time.
    I remember saying at another time that you have no pity.
    I would like to retract that and modify to you don’t know what the word means.
    If you treat people in the non-cat world as you treat your contacts here you will end up with no friends,
    no family and no future. I can visualize you as Tommy Toast Makers Victorian Prefect. Toast, Tobacco and buggery .To badly quote W. Churchill, a truly great Liberal.

  232. mundi

    And peopel scoffed at my 328 to 210… ahahah

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