Open Forum: November 17, 2012 at Catallaxy Files

Open Forum: November 17, 2012

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November 17th, 2012 at 12:01 am

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What am I doing up at this hour?

Megan

17 Nov 12 at 12:03 am
Early for Cats diehards though.

Megan

17 Nov 12 at 12:04 am
Analyse the PM’s speech to the Aust. Business Council of 15 Nov, 2012.

Comment.

Clue: How do we pay for it?

Louis Hissink

17 Nov 12 at 12:07 am
What am I doing up at this hour?

Being First?

Fleeced

17 Nov 12 at 12:10 am
Must be past my bedtime!

kae

17 Nov 12 at 12:11 am
You’re first, Megan. Queen of the mountain.

Gab

17 Nov 12 at 12:11 am
Analyse the PM’s speech to the Aust. Business Council of 15 Nov, 2012.

Spent the day analysing first year undergraduates research reports. Can guarantee they are of higher standard than PM’s.

Comment.

She still has NFI.

And I don’t doubt for a second that the remaining hard working taxpayers in this country will be footing the bill.

Megan

17 Nov 12 at 12:11 am
You’re first, Megan. Queen of the mountain.

I’m waiting for my red and white polka dotted jersey then.

Megan

17 Nov 12 at 12:13 am
Heard on Tween News last night re Gaza: the news reader said “the two groups” were not abiding by ceasefire agreements. By “the two groups,” she meant exterminationist terror group Hamas and the state of Israel.

Groups.

Two.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 12:21 am
Hedley Thomas has more – scroll down for “A SAMPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE PM.”

Features latest picture of Gillard’s ex.

Gee, he doesn’t look dodgy at all.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 12:28 am
Brought here earlier: SBS now broadcasting Al Jahzeera spin referring to ‘retaliatory rocket strikes’.

This is a bit like the Polish soldiers (allegedly) having an argument at the border with German guards in 1939 justifying the invasion of Poland.

Lazlo

17 Nov 12 at 12:30 am
How does the ABC get away with this blatant display of hostility, lies and present only one viewpoint?

Gerard Henderson analyses three consecutive days of uniformly hostile coverage of the Catholic Church by the ABC’s 7.30. Tuesday was probably the worst and most unprofessional:

7.30 leads with a report of Cardinal George Pell’s media conference held earlier that day. It turned out that, in full prosecutorial mode, Leigh Sales not only presented the segment. She also filled the role as Pell’s interviewer…

In her role as presenter, Sales proceeded to do a hatchet job on Pell – focusing on the fact that he had accompanied Gerald Ridsdale, a priest who was convicted of paed0philia, to court in Victoria in 1993. Pell, who is on record as describing this action as a mistake, has always said that in 1993 he did not know of the enormity of Ridsdale’s crimes – they were revealed in full at the time of his conviction and after.

Sales then cut to sexual abuse victim Stephen Woods, who had appeared on 7.30 the previous night. Not surprisingly, Woods declared : “I think Cardinal Pell needs to resign.” No contrary view was heard.

Sales then went on to refer to the Melbourne Response, which George Pell set up in 1996 when he was Archbishop of Melbourne. This was one of the first procedures established by the Catholic Church in Australia to handle clergy sexual abuse cases. This is what Ms Sales had to say:

“Leigh Sales: At an earlier press conference in 1996, George Pell announced the so-called “Melbourne Response” to handle victims’ complaints and compensation claims. The Towards Healing process, set up the following year, handles complaints in the rest of the country. In Victoria alone, more than 600 cases of criminal child abuse have been upheld in the past 16 years. Not one of them was referred to police.”

Note that Ms Sales, in full prosecutorial mode, referred to “the so-called Melbourne Response”. It was not the “so-called Melbourne Response”. Just the Melbourne Response…

Leigh Sales’ claim that not one of the 600 cases of child criminal abuses upheld in Victoria in the past 16 years was referred to police, is misleading. She neglected to mention that in these cases either the complainants did not want the matters referred by the Catholic Church to the Police or the matters had already been dealt with by Police.

7.30 then interviewed two critics of Cardinal Pell. Namely Helen Last (victims’ advocate) and Andrew Morrison (Australian Lawyers Alliance). No other view was heard. The program continued:

” Leigh Sales as presenter: Today Cardinal Pell was continuing to deny the Church has been involved in any sort of cover-up.

Leigh Sales as interviewer of George Pell: How about the case of Father F who testified in court under oath that he had abused boys, and that he had told three priests about that in the early 90s, yet he remained a priest until 2005?”

In fact, Fr. F was sacked as a priest in 1992. Ms Sales and Ms Neighbour should know this, since it is on the public record. Moreover, both should be aware that the Church’s handling of the Father F case is the subject of an independent inquiry by former judge Antony Whitlam, who is not a Catholic. 7.30 should not be in the business of anticipating the outcome of a properly constituted legal enquiry.

Finally, Prosecutor Sales declared:

“Leigh Sales: Today, Cardinal Pell said priests who confessed child sex abuse to other priests were still entitled to the seal of the confession box – a comment that met with disapproval.”

Leigh Sales failed to mention that the Catholic Church’s teaching on the confessional was in existence before George Pell was born and he has no authority to overturn it. As the Catholic Archbishop of Sydney, Pell reports to the Vatican. Moreover, there is no evidence that paed0phile priests and brothers confess child sexual abuse in the confessional.

The segment concluded as follows – with Ms Sales showing footage of the media conference where she queried Pell:

“Leigh Sales: Will you lift confidentiality agreements with people who have already struck settlements with the Catholic Church so they can testify?

George Pell: I’m not sure how many of those exist in this part of the world at all. People are free to say what they want. That’s the way – [interruption].

Leigh Sales: So people aren’t bound by confidentiality agreements that they’ve signed in the past?

George Pell: I don’t know anything, I, if it’s – As far as I was concerned there would be no problem with me. If there are with other people they will have to answer.”

The fact is that the Cardinal Archbishop of Sydney has no authority with respect to any confidentiality agreements signed by any Church leaders in the rest of Australia. Once again, Ms Sales and Ms Neighbour should know this.

This is witch hunting.

Gab

17 Nov 12 at 12:34 am
‘retaliatory rocket strikes’.

The strikes are in retaliation to the occupation of Palestine by the Zionist war machine /sarc.

Cold-Hands

17 Nov 12 at 12:37 am
Sinclair, would you please delete the one in moderation? Thank you..

Gab

17 Nov 12 at 12:40 am
The years have not been kind to Bruce Morton Wilson; he’s certainly stacked on the avoirdupois. Working as a short order cook hasn’t agreed with him.

Cold-Hands

17 Nov 12 at 12:47 am
Should Chaser ‘boy’ Julian Morrow resign for vilifying and ridiculing Aborigines?

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 12:50 am
Hedley Thomas didn’t even touch upon the morality or legality of backdating and falsely witnessing a Power of Attorney in his laundry list of questions the PM has yet to answer. As I’ve said before, the next Question Time will be entertaining viewing.

Cold-Hands

17 Nov 12 at 12:50 am
Have a look at this..https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=425083524212478&id=236991276355038&comment_id=4225047&notif_t=like

max49

17 Nov 12 at 12:54 am
Stuffed up but go to the top of the page…if true this is the end of gillard…

max49

17 Nov 12 at 12:56 am
I don’t agree with everything Paul Kelly has written today – he takes the same cowardly tack re Cardinal Pell as he laments from Tony Abbott – but his critique of Gillard’s brain fart Royal Commission is a tour de force.

The message from Kelly is that Gillard is utterly wrecking governance in Australia.

His comments on the mid-week confession panic – ridiculed also by the left’s favourite Catholic priest, Frank Brennan – are especially compulsory.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 12:59 am
Hedley and News are water boarding. Great stuff!

Lazlo

17 Nov 12 at 1:01 am
Getting a lot of “database error” messages trying to post here. Bleh.

sdog

17 Nov 12 at 1:15 am
UN statistics on the ongoing killings of Palestinians by Israelis in 2011 & 2012:

Palestinian casualties by Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip:

Killed this week: 1
Killed in 2012: 71
Killed in 2011: 108
Injured this week: 1
Injured in 2012: 291
Injured in 2011: 468
2012 weekly average of injured: 8
2011 weekly average of injured: 9

Israeli casualties by Palestinian fire from Gaza
Injured this week: 3
Injured in 2012: 19

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 1:23 am
Senior citizen and alleged drunk, Nancy Pelosi:

“Is it the 11th Amendment 14th… Whatever… I’m With the Constitution.”

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 1:30 am
Scapula: fuck off, along with your UN totalitarians.

Lazlo

17 Nov 12 at 1:32 am
Injured palestinian man being carried away on a stretcher suddenly gets up and walks!
It’s a Pallywood miracle.

Video.

Gab

17 Nov 12 at 1:32 am
Gab thats a good link to Bolt. I have been listening to him with Price talk about this anti Catholic bias, and I have been impressed by his balanced approach, at least insofar as he describes himself as an atheist. He also seems to sense the Catholic angst.

Jannie

17 Nov 12 at 1:35 am
I heard him on Thursday night, Jannie and was surprised by how much he knew about Catholic confession. He’s actually been very balanced about and temperate about the whole sorry mess gillard has created,

Gab

17 Nov 12 at 1:42 am
Everything Pell said at his press conference was right and true. If you’re looking for the priest after Christ’s heart, ignore the cowardly ones having the cozy mea culpa chats on the ABC. The one being hounded by the mob – that’ll be your man.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 1:47 am
The destruction of Palestinian olve groves continues apace:

A senior United Nations envoy on Sunday condemned a wave of attacks by Israeli settlers on Palestinian olive groves and called on Israel to punish the perpetrators.“I am alarmed at recent reports that Israeli settlers in the West Bank have repeatedly attacked Palestinian farmers and destroyed hundreds of their olive trees at the height of the harvest season,” said Robert Serry, UN special coordinator for the Middle East peace process.

In the West Bank, Palestinian and Israeli activists blocked traffic on a highway into Jerusalem Tuesday to protest repeated attacks by Jewish settlers on Palestinian olive groves. Israeli soldiers used tear gas and stun grenades against protesters. Hundreds of olive trees that provide a livelihood for Palestinians in the West Bank were uprooted, burned or chopped down by settlers during the first week of the harvest this month. One protester condemned the attacks.

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 1:55 am
Hamas adopts Nazi salute.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 2:06 am
Remember: the Palestinian rocket attack merely threatens the fragile ceasefire. The ceasefire only fails when the Israelis shoot back.

perturbed

17 Nov 12 at 2:15 am
Hamas adopts … a website from 2006 … that is a propadanda piece

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 2:24 am
Scapula: lying bullshit. Pure made-up stuff.

Fuck off and live in Gaza if you care that much.

Lazlo

17 Nov 12 at 2:26 am
Lazio,

You’re at one with Gillard. I am not.

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 2:30 am
Hamas Legalizes Crucifixion.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 3:09 am
Hopefully, the measure will pass despite the violent attempt to stop it:

Abbas said he intends to follow through with his plan to request recognition as a non-member state at the United Nations General Assembly on 29 November. He said he would take the step despite the violence.

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 4:08 am
Minority government has trashed our faith in the federal government system to the point that it is undermining belief in democracy itself:

Fully two-thirds of Australians do not believe federal and state governments are working well together, while confidence in the federal government as the most effective of the three levels at doing its job has plummeted from 50 per cent in 2008 to 29 per cent today.
Over the same period, the proportion of Australians who believe the federal system is not working has risen from 30.3 per cent to 38 per cent.
These are among the key findings of the third biennial constitutional values survey, conducted by Newspoll last month for Griffith University’s federalism project, and reported exclusively in The Weekend Australian.
Briefed on the survey yesterday, former NSW premier Nick Greiner said it showed the public was “running ahead of politicians on all of this”.
Mr Greiner – whose report on federal-state financial relations, co-authored with former Victorian premier Steve Bracks, has been submitted to Wayne Swan – said voters were “saying what the political class is in denial about, which is that the federation is dysfunctional and due for a 100-year refresher”.
The constitutional values survey tests how Australians feel about the federal system; their faith in how the federal, state and local levels are working; and their view of inter-government collaboration.
The crisis of confidence in federalism and increasing negativity towards the upper tier of government corresponds with Labor’s period in office and has accelerated during the period of minority government since 2010.
It suggests the high ideals of Kevin Rudd to herald a new age of “co-operative federalism” when he took office in 2007 – and faced coast-to-coast Labor governments – have crashed and burned…
…Australians are now far less satisfied with their federal system than either Americans or Canadians, despite the fact there are 50 states to co-ordinate in the US, while Canada must deal with bilingualism and the special status of its largest province Quebec.
The drop in support for Canberra as the most effective level of government to a mere 29 per cent of respondents means it has been overtaken by local government, which 30.1 per cent see as the most effective.
The states continue to languish in third place, with 23.6 per cent of support, despite the fall of a succession of unpopular long-term Labor administrations since the 2010 survey. Nevertheless, there remains about a third of Australians who would abolish the states, and four in 10 who would create regional governments in place of one of the existing tiers.
Perhaps most disturbing of all, Australians’ faith in democracy itself is wobbling: those who believe democracy works poorly have risen from 16.4 per cent to 23.8 per cent since 2008, while those who think it works well have dropped from 80.8 per cent to 73.1 per cent.

Tom

17 Nov 12 at 6:07 am
If Pickering’s latest article is to be believed, then quite frankly, Labor/Unions in Australia could teach the Italian mafia a thing or two about corruption and the acquisition of power at any cost.

All I know is that my faith in the Governance of my country has taken a battering over the last couple of years and I truly wonder if the Coalition (if elected) will have sufficient political will to investigate and clean out this entrenched corruption and malaise that has affected our country.

Abbott needs to make a hard and fast electoral promise about investigating and eliminating corruption in Australia – root it out wherever it grows – in Political Parties/Unions/Business/Church/Indigenous communities etc. If he wants to reform Australia and leave a positive legacy for the future, then this would be something that all law abiding Australians would welcome, and would enable Australia to stand before other countries with a clear mind and soul.

A Lurker

17 Nov 12 at 6:24 am
The only thing which will enable Australia to stand before other countries with a clear mind and soul is the trial for treason of every Labor and Greens MP and Senator elected in the last forty years, with refusal to answer questions and convenient lapses of memory regarded as prima facie evidence of guilt.

perturbed

17 Nov 12 at 6:46 am
Faith in democracy has been undermined by a couple of things.
The federal system mandates an unbalanced representation in the upper house. When you see the amount of effort that goes into redistributions of lower house electorates to maintain balance, you have to wonder at the completely unreconstructed and unbalanced consitution of the Senate.
This leads to tail wagging dog as seen in the tilting of power to benefit Greens.
Then there’s the dishonest media. With all the current exposure at state and federal level of the inherent corruption of the union and labor forces, one has to ask where have the “guardians” been all this time. It is worse than anyone in the normal everyday, perhaps naive, voterland could have imagined, with hundreds of millions on the one hand, and perhaps a measly few hundred thousand on the other. But it’s all the same colour, and the same problem.
It’s bad enough having people like those at the ABC who’ll never give the coalition a fair go, but continually soft interview their favoured ones on the other teams. That’s undermining democracy to an already unacceptable extent. But, given the closeness of many of these same participants in the public forums to the actual players, it is hard to avoid the conclusion that blind eyes have been turned rather too often to things much worse than poor performance.
Restoring faith in democracy will be no simple task. The problem is endemic and deeply so.

Blogstrop

17 Nov 12 at 6:46 am
As Lurker mentioned above, Pickering’s latest post is an abridged history of ALP power politics for the past 20 years as it relates to the careers of Julia Gillard, Graham Richardson, Bill Shorten and Bob Carr. A ripping yarn.

Tom

17 Nov 12 at 7:10 am
Totally missed irony of the week was Bob Carr leading the ABC radio news where he congratulated the new Chinese leadership for making commitments to fight corruption. Very next story was about Carr’s NSW Right Faction allies in a massive corruption scandal in ICAC. Of course the media makes no connection between corruption, the MP Carr made Ministers and the endemic corruption of his NSW Right Wing faction. Truly Carr must have been the most incompetent Premier to allow all this corruption to flourish on his watch and not suspect a thing. Either that or he knew all about it and helped cover it up. Truly the media should be joining some dots here.

John Comnenus

17 Nov 12 at 7:16 am
Septimus @ 2248

IMHO, any “100″ list without an Ennio Morricone works is diminished.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUNVBGHiBY0

mike

Mike of Marion

17 Nov 12 at 7:20 am
Paul Kelly, in my opinion, has the only unbiased account of the game Gillard and Labor are playing (as twisted by John McTernan):

Rarely has an Australian goverment embarked on such a sensitive and vast project in profound ignorance of what it was doing, with virtually no serious policy consideration and driven entirely by politics.

This is the way Australia now works. The quest is for popular approval, moral legitimacy and gesture politics. Labor took this decision flying completely blind. Gillard’s media conference last Monday was a serial exercise in populist politics and policy ignorance. She knew next to nothing about the royal commission she was announcing. What counted was framing herself as the arch opponent of this “incredibly evil thing” determined to expose those who have “averted their eyes” and allow victims to “tell their story”.

Gillard’s decision is classic shoot now and pass the mess to others to sort out, in this case, Attorney-General Nicola Roxon. This decision has plunged Australia into a multi-jurisdictional, multi-institutional, state-church, high-cost shambles where nobody knows how the massive expectations of victims can be satisfied.

Tom

17 Nov 12 at 7:43 am
It’s bad enough having people like those at the ABC who’ll never give the coalition a fair go, but continually soft interview their favoured ones on the other teams.

All media outlets have their favourite team. It’s just human to prefer those who share similar values to yourself and to oppose those with a different idea of what a good society should be.

The problem with the ABC is that it is suppose to provide balance in return for taxpayers’ dough. It clearly fails to do this. As Gerard Henderson keeps noting, there is not ONE recognised conservative who present or produces a current affairs/political commentary program anywhere on the ABC.

You could demand that the government actually make the ABC provide balance by having the government take control of staffing and programming. I would support that approach providing the government put ME in charge for life, as I am the only person that I would with a $ 1 billion propaganda budget.

The other approach would be to cut the taxpayer lifeline and make the ABC accountable to the people. Then we would see if there was a market niche for recycling the Greens Party press releases.

johno

17 Nov 12 at 7:46 am
a different idea of what a good society should be.

See the quote from Paul Kelly above. If only they did have a view worthy of the name, but we could all do without the current modus operandi.

blogstrop

17 Nov 12 at 8:01 am
Anonymous attacks Israeli websites.
Hmm. It’d be interesting to watch the blowback from that little venture. Israelis are pretty sharp on that front too.

blogstrop

17 Nov 12 at 8:05 am
Chris Kenny on the collapse of professional standards in Australian news media:

The AWU affair is complex and only a few investigative journalists are unearthing new developments. And sometimes journalists can be reluctant to report developments revealed by other media organisations – but this didn’t stop the ABC on the Abbott “punch” allegations.

The unwillingness of the Canberra Press Gallery and the ABC to follow through on this issue is illuminating. It hardly needs saying but we all know similar revelations about Abbott would produce a feeding frenzy.

That journalists tend to be progressives (or liberals, or leftists – whatever your preferred term) is incontestable. Surveys reflect it, journalists admit it.

This needn’t be a problem. Many journalists can look beyond their personal preferences and report what is worthy…

…There is a story here and no one knows where it will lead. Not every journalist can cover it. But those trying to suppress it must have some interest at heart other than journalism.

RTWT

Tom

17 Nov 12 at 8:09 am
I posted this yesterday on the Gillard post but in case you missed it here’s what Julie Bishop has to say about the AWU scandal
http://www.juliebishop.com.au/transcripts/1149-sky-news-viewpoint-with-chris-kenny.html

well worth reading

val majkus

17 Nov 12 at 8:15 am
I agree Tom, it’s well worth a read. Link to Chris Kenny’s article ($)

Cold-Hands

17 Nov 12 at 8:19 am
Sorry, CH. Thanks for that.

Tom

17 Nov 12 at 8:21 am
The other approach would be to cut the taxpayer lifeline and make the ABC accountable to the people.

A solution I’ve come across seems sensible – that when filling out an individual Tax Return, there is a question that simply states:

Do you want a proportion of your taxes to go to the ABC? Yes/No

Then all the ATO needs to do is calculate the percentage of yes to no responses, and then inform the Government of the percentage. So if 70% of taxpayers wish their taxes to go to the ABC, then they get 70% of their regular funding.

If they find that only a small percentage of taxpayers want to fund them – then the ABC needs to become more relevant to majority Australia in order to attract a higher taxpayer funding percentage.

A Lurker

17 Nov 12 at 8:32 am
Very next story was about Carr’s NSW Right Faction allies in a massive corruption scandal in ICAC. Of course the media makes no connection between corruption, the MP Carr made Ministers and the endemic corruption of his NSW Right Wing faction.

In the coming years one could write a compelling book on the amazing coincidence of how Bob Carr lead a party controlled from the back bench by crooks and somehow missed a very agressive p3do was in the ranks, yet the leader missed it all.

Some might ask about the amazing coincidence of events where Carr resigned in Aug 06 and the Okopolis facts emerged in Oct 06.

Either the man was born under an unlucky star or…

Token

17 Nov 12 at 8:49 am
Chris Kenny on the collapse of professional standards in Australian news media:

As it has in the US.

The reactionaries fossils from the ’60s that lead the pack seem to believe this can last forever.

Token

17 Nov 12 at 8:51 am
Lurker,
While I share your distaste for being coerced into funding propaganda with which I disagree (ABC), allowing individuals to opt in or out of funding specific policies is a certain step to disaster. Try California on for size.

Better to campaign on general principles of good government to change funding arrangements and support media accountability, rather than open that door.

Of course, if you were just joking, then tee hee.

Jasbo

17 Nov 12 at 8:59 am
Anonymous attacks Israeli websites.

Blogstop – This quote from the Jawa Report sums it up with some humour;

Anonymous describes the Falcon-S group, who’s website was defaced (see above), as Israel’s “top security and surveillance website.”

Uh, ok.

They’re private security. Rent-a-cops. I’m sure Israel’s infrastructure is now totally vulnerable to rampant Palestinian … shoplifting and mall vagrancy?

Carpe Jugulum

17 Nov 12 at 9:04 am
I wasn’t joking, but I appreciate your point. Perhaps a priviso could be made so that opt-in/opt-out funding is only applied to a handful of non-vital services, and services like defense, health etc are exempt.

Some in the bush could argue that the ABC is a vital service, however there could be a minimum funding level in order that the ABC covers the continuation of regional services.

A Lurker

17 Nov 12 at 9:08 am
It is essential that Gillard destroy Abbott to survive, so the Green-Left media are doing their part by smearing his religion – even if it takes a royal commission and no matter who gets hurt.

Bolt has an excellent summary.

Tom

17 Nov 12 at 9:37 am
There is some more irony in the defenders of the Catholic Church complaining about a witch hunt.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 9:41 am
GregP:

I’ll level with you.

All the young analysts in my department were running around today with a case of geo-politikitis. Personally I’d rather they focused on their fucking jobs and stfu.

Nut still they’d try and tie it into insurance and what not. I told the fuck that “occasionally Israel’s deliver a slapdown on the Pals or whoever they are and nothing develops” yet still i was told this was “the start of WW3″.

The Mid-East fucking shits me to tears. Female analysts seem to especially love it. Perhaps because they can watch CNN for 30mins then give me the latest update.

I soon tell them to calm down. They ask me how I am so knowledgeable. I say I’m not it’s just that I read newspapers.

Fuck the middle-east and it’s fucking boosters.

Ah!

Been there, done that, and for a very long time.

You have my sincere sympathies. It’s always the same when this happens and the excitable get all spun up.

FWIW, there’s no disagreement between us in what you have written above. Especially if the excitable are getting their data from as worthless and biased a source as CNN.

My ‘dog in this fight’ is simply that I have a number of Israeli contacts and professional acquaintances. Some are in physical danger right now, others are checking their rifles. I also admire them as a western liberal democracy set in a sea of barbarian states.

The fellow I mentioned is not among them. Like all but one of my homosexual friends from that time, he passed away in the 90s. His grave is in Haifa.

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 9:42 am
Further irony:

The Age more than most should know better than most than to vilify people on the basis of victim allegations not properly tested – and chiming too closely with a prejudice:

This is directly after two posts about the AWU story, in which one of the self-confessed embezzlers is trying to secure immunity from prosecution for making allegations not properly tested against the PM, being cheerleaded on by Bolt et al because it chimes with their prejudice and allows them to vilify their enemy.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 9:47 am
It is essential that Gillard destroy Abbott to survive, so the Green-Left media are doing their part by smearing his religion – even if it takes a royal commission and no matter who gets hurt.

Bolt has an excellent summary.

Tom, when you watch the events of the past week you can see the Left is tapping into a rich vein of hate when it comes to the Catholic Church.

M0nty belled the cat in one of his posts when he dragged up the old Papist plot talking points on the danger of an organisation that is controlled overseas (a great whiff of xenophobia involved of course).

The left loves to start these campaigns as a short term political distraction then feigns horror as the hate leads inevitably to violence.

PS: M0nty guilelessly ignores the fact his business (a chat room for AFL Dreamteams) is built on internet infrastructure controlled overseas. That’s ok, as unlike the Murdoch press & the Catholic church, it is not one of the organisations the high priests of the left decide must be destroyed.

Token

17 Nov 12 at 9:47 am
Regarding the latest Pallywood project, I’d like to remind everyone of Qanagate.

If you’ve not read the EU Referenum report on the appalling reporting from Qana 6 years ago, then I highly recommend it.

Brian from SnappedShot (now no more, sadly) used to have some great stuff on this subject, and Zombie still does.

nilk

17 Nov 12 at 9:48 am
There is some more irony in the defenders of the Catholic Church complaining about a witch hunt.

M0nty’s rules, no one can talk about what Gillard did 15 years ago, but he will bring up what the RCC did 500 years ago.

Lefty moral relativism at work.

Token

17 Nov 12 at 9:48 am
I’m disappointed Mr Abbott hasn’t stood up to defend us Catholics and just letting this witch hunt begin all out.
We’re all being made to look like loonies now if you look at the ABC the Drum and other sites, if you’re Catholic you’re a nutter, according to them.

Gillard government most divisive government ever.

candy

17 Nov 12 at 9:49 am
M0nty belled the cat in one of his posts when he dragged up the old Papist plot talking points on the danger of an organisation that is controlled overseas (a great whiff of xenophobia involved of course).

How amusing. It was CL earlier in the week who was saying that no one in Australia was responsible for Salesian priests being moved out of the country, as the order is controlled from overseas!

You’re becoming a bigger tosser lately, Token. (Just thought I would share that with you.)

steve from brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 9:54 am
As Tiny Dancer would surely say, make breakfast, Dogshit, you empty-headed windup parrot.

Tom

17 Nov 12 at 10:04 am
You’re a Catholic candy? I don’t think I realised that.

Quite frankly, there is a significantly growing body of Catholics who think the Church’s teaching on sexuality generally needs reform – younger Catholics are very, very likely to be completely cool with their sexually active gay friends taking full participation in the Church, for example. (Many probably support gay marriage.)

I don’t agree with this, exactly; but I can see how the Church thinking on the issue is bound to face some revision in the next 50 years or so.

Anyway, you can see how this chunk of Catholicism sees the child sex abuse issue one of the consequences of the Church’s “fear” of sexuality, that emphasizes celibacy as a purer state than even a happy marriage, which leads to loneliness and some into opportunistic sex with children or others.

My point is, that part of Catholicism probably has no great issue with the inquiry: seeing it as part of necessary cleaning out the stables type exercise.

steve from brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 10:05 am
Interesting.

As the reporter is banging on in a live interview from gaza, the hamas terrorists launch a rocket in the right background (4:15).

Gotta love AussieDave’s sense of humour.

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 10:07 am
Spot on Tom

Tiny Dancer

17 Nov 12 at 10:07 am
– younger Catholics are very, very likely to be completely cool with their sexually active gay friends taking full participation in the Church, for example. (Many probably support gay marriage.)

Un-fucking-believable Steve.
This has to be your nadir, trying to make an argument using what you think are “facts” , but are actually from your imagination. Worse still, these imaginations of yours are based on 3 things of which you have no knowledge, you are neither young, Catholic or gay.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

17 Nov 12 at 10:23 am
“which leads to loneliness and some into opportunistic sex with children ”

Can’t see that Steve – i tend to think a man can enter the priesthood to serve God also knowing he’s attracted to kids, the two things can exist in the one mind so I don’t believe it’s through loneliness does the abuse of children happen in the Catholic church the Scouts teachers or any group. My understanding is that p5edos truly believe sexual relationships with children is right and they are rarely rehabilitated.

(i am Catholic, yes)

candy

17 Nov 12 at 10:33 am
Julie Bishop on potential profiteering from off shore carbon credits
The article is dated July 2011 but is relevant in relation to the PM’s recently discovered burning ambition for Business ‘The central tenet of Ms Gillard’s speech was that the government is the driving force of the economy.’
oh the irony delivered by the spoken word:

“Take away the politics, look at what the market is saying about us,” Ms Gillard said. “Three triple-As and a stable outlook on each.” The federal budget, she said, was “one of the seven economic wonders of the modern world”. Among the BCA audience there was even some laughter and incredulity at these words. Many economists doubt Labor will deliver its projected $1.1 billion surplus – achieved by a series of spending shuffles and tricks – for 2012-13, predicted only a few weeks ago in its mid-year economic and fiscal outlook.

val majkus

17 Nov 12 at 10:42 am
younger Catholics are very, very likely to be completely cool with their sexually active gay friends taking full participation in the Church, for example. (Many probably support gay marriage.)

Their gay friends! FFS homosexuality is rarer than an attractive lezzo. You make it sound like every kid is hanging out on Oxford Street.

Infidel Tiger

17 Nov 12 at 10:45 am
There is some more irony in the defenders of the Catholic Church complaining about a witch hunt.

No, there isn’t because witch hunts were strictly forbidden by the Catholic Church and, in fact, were a protestant specialty.

You really aren’t very bright are you, Monty?

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 10:46 am
Gillard cleared:

Federal Attorney-General Nicola Roxon says allegations against Ms Gillard are unwarranted.

”I’m totally satisfied that Julia had not done anything improper or anything unlawful and in fact no actual allegation of impropriety is being made against her,” Ms Roxon told ABC radio.

Ahahahahahahahahaha.

Russ Hinze clears Don Lane.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 10:48 am
What’s “interesting” is, WHICH RELIGION even The Cat seems reluctant to have Freely and Openly Discussed…you know, ‘That’ Really ‘Liberal’ Religion, that dragged two people through VCAT, ending with them being Gaoled in Victoria.

Come on guys, why put into moderation, something that IS ON PUBLIC RECORD?

true lilly

17 Nov 12 at 10:51 am
A third set of files has gone missing, apparently during a transfer:

CRUCIAL court files detailing the Australian Workers Union’s discovery of internal fraud 17 years ago and the fight to overturn redundancies to dodgy union officials – including Julia Gillard’s former boyfriend Bruce Wilson – have mysteriously vanished.

Yesterday the Federal Court confirmed that key documents filed in the Industrial Relations Court’s Queensland registry in 1995 by then AWU national president Bill Ludwig had been lost in the past nine months.

Julie Bishop called yesterday for a police investigation into their disappearance… “Unless there are plausible explanations as to why official records would go missing from record-keeping institutions, such as WA state archives and the Federal Court, this is starting to look like a sinister cover-up…,” the Deputy Opposition Leader said…

The Australian revealed last month that the file held by the State Records Office in Perth on the AWU Workplace Reform Association was empty… Slater & Gordon also has disclosed that it cannot find its file on the association, which the Prime Minister helped set up as a salaried partner at the law firm and later described as a “slush fund”.

Gab

17 Nov 12 at 10:52 am
Anyway, you can see how this chunk of Catholicism sees the child sex abuse issue one of the consequences of the Church’s “fear” of sexuality, that emphasizes celibacy as a purer state than even a happy marriage, which leads to loneliness and some into opportunistic sex with children or others.

ROFL, Steve.

The Church doesn’t have a “fear” of sexuality, and as for celibacy being a “purer” state, that’s one I’ve not heard of.

How about a man not having two masters? How can he commit to a wife and family if he is already committed to God and His people?

You can actually live without having sex. FFS, I’m over this emphasis on the purely physical world. There is more to life than getting laid.

nilk

17 Nov 12 at 10:53 am
Gillard must be furious that the files that would clear her name have gone missing. I blame Tony Abbott.

Infidel Tiger

17 Nov 12 at 10:54 am
How amusing. It was CL earlier in the week who was saying that no one in Australia was responsible for Salesian priests being moved out of the country, as the order is controlled from overseas!

LOL. What, in diplomatic pouches?

They were free men and free to travel. Just like those three Labor leaders were free to go on parliamentary trips abroad before they were jailed for raping children.

I note that a disturbingly sympathetic Steve is now saying these men raped children because they were “lonely.”

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 10:54 am
Mmm. Destroying evidence and moving criminals on to new locations…

No, not the Catholic Church.

Julia Gillard and the ALP.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 10:57 am
Fairfax humiliated, abjectly apologises to accused witch:

On 27 March 2012, The Age published a story (“Sex abuse victims claim conflict in care process”) in which it reported complaints concerning the conduct of Susan Sharkey. Those allegations included that Ms Sharkey had engaged in gross professional misconduct in her role as the coordinator of Carelink – the Melbourne Catholic Archdiocese’s counselling service for victims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests. The Age accepts that Ms Sharkey did not engage in such conduct.

The Age unreservedly apologises to Ms Sharkey.

The real irony is a witch hunt called by Julia Gillard and overseen by Nicola Roxon.

That’s like an anti-obesity campaign launched by Joan Kirner and Christine Nixon.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 11:02 am
Mike

IMHO, any “100″ list without an Ennio Morricone works is diminished

If it was a ’100 Best of … ‘ compilation I would totally agree with you. But the ’100 Must Have Movie Classics’ is a compilation of classical music pieces that have been used in movies, so Morricone’s work doesn’t really belong on it.

He is a musical genius who composes mainly original works almost exclusively for film scores. Sometimes variations on contemporary pieces can be heard in his work – eg. the variations on ‘Amapola’ throughout his score for ‘Once Upon a Time in America’, which is my favourite movie.

I have lots of Morricone CDs and play them often, especially the soundtracks from ‘Once Upon a Time in America’ and ‘Lolita’.

Cheers, Septimus

Septimus

17 Nov 12 at 11:04 am
I can see how the Church thinking on the issue is bound to face some revision in the next 50 years or so ….

The 700 million Catholics in Africa, Asia, South and Central America, Southern Europe and Poland etc. will want a say in that I guess.

manalive

17 Nov 12 at 11:11 am
Don’t be silly, Manalive, SFB is the global Catholic spokesperson. He knows everything and he knows what every Catholic on the planet is thinking. Just ask him.

Gab

17 Nov 12 at 11:14 am
On second thoughts, the Catholic Church is not a democracy; I can’t see the attitude to the sacrament of marriage changing ever, but the celibacy rule may be loosened.

manalive

17 Nov 12 at 11:25 am
Hey Sfb, did you ever get the feeling Gab was stalking you? She frequently responds to my posts 1 or 2 minutes after I have posted. A bit strange.

SteveC

17 Nov 12 at 11:28 am
I’m a quick thinker, stevec.

Gab

17 Nov 12 at 11:28 am
See what I mean, sfb? Does that happen to you too?

SteveC

17 Nov 12 at 11:41 am
I’m a quick drinker.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 11:46 am
How amusing. It was CL earlier in the week who was saying that no one in Australia was responsible for Salesian priests being moved out of the country, as the order is controlled from overseas!

What was the name of that arsehole who started the race riot on the slapper’s behalf and when they were caught, the lying slapper’s office quickly moved him outta the country to a safe job withn UK Labor?

Anyone recall?

JC

17 Nov 12 at 11:50 am
Tony Hodges.

He was bundled out of the country.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 12:02 pm
That reminds me of the day Iron Lady Julia really proved those feminist credentials.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 12:05 pm
Paul Kelly’s pieces often descend into pompous bloviation, but he is spot-on today about the process relating to the proposed Royal Commission. His article would have been stronger if he had left out the editorialising about Abbott and Pell.

Back when I worked in the Belly of the Beast at both State and Federal level, the notion of announcing a Royal Commission with no terms of reference, no timeline, no budget, no clear objectives and no Commissioner(s) would have been anathema. It is amateurish at best and potentially catastrophic at worst. It is lousy and unethical policy. It is the kind of thing that Tony Blair did all the time.

A lot of people don’t realise that Royal Commissions effectively suspend people’s legal rights. They are the legal equivalent of martial law. While this is their strength, it is also a great danger to individuals who become enmeshed in the process. They are grilled by QCs and (unless they are serving politicians) usually have to pay their own lawyers. They can be sent to jail if the Commission thinks they are holding out, without benefit of judge or jury. Someone I know who got caught up in a RC (as a very peripheral player) discovered that every one of the Big Six law firms was unavailable to her, because the Government had hired somebody from each of them.

It is just bizarre to say ‘we are going to impose martial law, and will let you know more details by the end of the year’ as the Government has done. Meanwhile, they will discuss the rationale, objectives, modus operandi and other minor details behind closed doors.

It’s a disgraceful perversion of a very serious decision to grab a cheap headline, and has former Blair adviser McTernan’s grubby fingerprints all over it – not that there would have been any opposition from the dumbest and most unethical Cabinet in living memory.

johanna

17 Nov 12 at 12:08 pm
Completely fanciful to describe an RC as martial law, but highly original.

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 12:15 pm
You’re becoming a bigger tosser lately, Token. (Just thought I would share that with you.)

LOL

As TwoStix has pointed out you know the comment hit the target, that’s when SoB’s panties get in a twist he goes full left-tard .

Token

17 Nov 12 at 12:23 pm
I’m a quick drinker

I’ll drink to that.

But not now …. later ….. sun’s not over the yardarm yet

Septimus

17 Nov 12 at 12:28 pm
Just took Morricone (Once Upon a Time in America) with me on a brisk 2 kms walk. Nice music.

Septimus

17 Nov 12 at 12:32 pm
Scabby, you have once again demonstrated your ignorance. Suggest that you do some research (preferably not on Wikipedia) about the history and powers of Royal Commissions before you allow any more flies into your mouth.

johanna

17 Nov 12 at 12:39 pm
O.K. then…for all Cat readers proud to call themselves “libertarians”.

A Pop Quiz Question:

Which was The Religion that used
Victoria’s ‘Racial and Religious Vilification Laws’,
that ended in VCAT GAOLING TWO AUSTRALIANS?

The Prize:
Not being seen to ‘support Them’ with Silence.
(Warning – The Prize tends cause personal ‘worldly’ poverty)

true lilly

17 Nov 12 at 12:53 pm
Jarrah:

In fact, when has Scapula ever done that?

[act like an anti-semitic racist by demonising Jews]

Crapulon: 16 Nov 12 2158 notes that he holds Jews responsible for the following as the aggressor:

Invasion of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Gaza.

This is demonisation of Jews by holding them responsible for defending themselves when attacked by these countries in 1948, 1967, 1973 etc etc.
Crapulon therefore states that Jews have no right of self-defence. This is the racist view of an anti-semite.

Construction of an apartheid system of rule complete with wall.

Muslim arab Israeli citizens have full rights in Israel. They are supreme court judges, members of the Knesset and even serve (they have to volunteer) in the Army.
There is no comparison to the Boer rule in South Africa. This is the racist view of an anti-semite.

‘The Wall’ is a defensive feature which has successfully stopped innumerable terrorist operations designed to murder Israeli citizens. See here (Warning. Graphic and has images of Arabs celebrating the murders).

…

The pollonium poisoning of Arafat and the failure to honour the Oslo Accords.

The vile old terrorist sodomite died of AIDS. The pollonium fairytale is a terrorist meme in its entirety.

The person who walked away from the Oslo Accords was the terrorist sodomite Arafat, not the Israelis.

These are the racist views of an anti-semite.

And now, once more, a hammering of the Muslim Ghetto of Gaza.

No mention of four days of war crimes – the intentional and indiscriminate bombardment of civilian areas with artillery rockets.

This is the racist view of an anti-semite.

Crapulon is a Jew-hating, pro-genocide, terrorist supporting racist and is defined as such by his own words.

This is also a bog-standard left-wing stance.

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 1:17 pm
58% of Israel’s think that Israel practises apartheid already:

Three out of four are in favour of segregated roads for Israelis and Palestinians in the West Bank, and 58% believe Israel already practises apartheid against Palestinians, the poll found.

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 1:23 pm
Killings by Israel in its permanent state of war against Gaza over the past two years before the current conflict:

Killed in 2012: 71
Killed in 2011: 108

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 1:26 pm
I just got off the phone to a Jewish family (met via work, a mutually beneficial relationship). In typical Jewish fashion I got passed around and seemed to speek to 1001 people.

Jews are quite honest about human nature. I admire them for that. They have this Yiddish word called schnora or some such. It’s so apt.

Carry on, just a random observation.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 1:26 pm
58% of Israel’s think that Israel practises apartheid already:

Source?
You really are a dissembling toe rag Bob.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

17 Nov 12 at 1:28 pm
Recent Arafat revelations:

A nine-month investigation by Al Jazeera has revealed that none of those rumors were true: Arafat was in good health until he suddenly fell ill on October 12, 2004.

More importantly, tests reveal that Arafat’s final personal belongings – his clothes, his toothbrush, even his iconic kaffiyeh – contained abnormal levels of polonium, a rare, highly radioactive element. Those personal effects, which were analyzed at the Institut de Radiophysique in Lausanne, Switzerland, were variously stained with Arafat’s blood, sweat, saliva and urine. The tests carried out on those samples suggested that there was a high level of polonium inside his body when he died.

“I can confirm to you that we measured an unexplained, elevated amount of unsupported polonium-210 in the belongings of Mr. Arafat that contained stains of biological fluids,” said Dr. Francois Bochud, the director of the institute.

The findings have led Suha Arafat, his widow, to ask the Palestinian Authority to exhume her late husband’s body from its grave in Ramallah. If tests show that Arafat’s bones contain high levels of polonium, it would be more conclusive proof that he was poisoned, doctors say

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 1:28 pm
you can check it all with a Google source, but if youre bone idle

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 1:30 pm
You are making the claims, show your source.
Just because you say it, don’t make it true.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

17 Nov 12 at 1:31 pm
Arafat was a militant marmite miner. He died of AIDS.

Well deserved.

Infidel Tiger

17 Nov 12 at 1:31 pm
militant marmite miner

lol

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 1:32 pm
Thank you, Crapulon, for not even bothering to try and deny you are a racist anti-semite.

Acceptance is the first step to curing yourself of this disgusting foulness – if you want to.

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 1:33 pm
Mk50,

Truth is the first casualty of war, and it died a long tim ago in the Israeli war on the Palestinians.

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 1:35 pm
Calling someone a:

…racist anti-semite.

= I’m a part of the PC Police.

Personally I prefer fuckwit.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 1:44 pm
Maybe you prefer that because you are one?

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 1:46 pm
The polonium fairytale started in July 2012. It was the invention of one Tawfik Tirawi. Tirawi is a senior member of the Fatah Central Committee.

Tirawi has a very rich past as one of the people behind the organization and execution of the five-year terror war against Israeli civilians known as the second Intifada (barely mentioned by Sherwood in her article) which – a full eighteen months after it began, and immediately following the murders of 29 people in the Park Hotel suicide bombing – was the reason for the IDF’s entry into Ramallah.

In the second Intifada, Tirawi was Head of the PA intelligence services on the West Bank. During his time in that role, he was involved in planning, organisation and conduct of terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. This included collaborative attacks with Hamas, Hizb’allah and Islamic Jihad.

All of Arafat’s material supplied to the Swiss to back up this fairytale came from Tirawi’s organisation. His organisation also has full control over the rotting carcass of the murderous, corrupt old pederast.

So, we have the PA intelligence chief, who has full control over the sodomite’s corpse and personal affects, coming up with a report of polonium poisoning, and conveniently having possession (uncontested possession – never out of their hands) of oh-so conveniently polonium-afflicted material.

And being an anti-semitic racist, Crapulon swallows this hook, line and sinker, and blames ‘da Joooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos‘.

Just like the PA’s Intelligence Chief wants him to.

Coming next from Crapulon the racist anti-semite: ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’.

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 1:46 pm
ps-wouldn’t racism and anti-semitism be included uner the same category?

Though I’m open to being called a wonk who has read far too many Product Disclosure Statements. Blame my clients.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 1:47 pm
Maybe you prefer that because you are one?

Sorry scapula, I didn’t mean you. Just hate PC words.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 1:48 pm
No, Greg, what has proven Crapulon the racist anti-semite to be Crapulon the racist anti-semite are the words of Crapulon the racist anti-semite.

You seem to be new here.

You probably don’t know that I truly despise racists for very good personal reasons. And one of the things I like to do is expose them for what they really are. The riddle the left and are less common and more open on the right.

I have little problem with a racist who is open about it and willing to discuss why they are a racist. Many Chinese, Japanese and Koreans, for example, are openly racist and puzzled how anyone cannot be. I don’t agree with their views, but at least they are honest about it.

The real vipers are things like Crapulon the racist anti-semite. They hide, they are covert and they pretend to be something else.

This far on this site this has included an actual white supremacist called les, and a number of stalinists and leninists.

It’s their own words that always give them away.

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 1:54 pm
Oops:

“Tirawi has a very rich past as one of the people behind the organization and execution of the five-year terror war against Israeli civilians known as the second Intifada (barely mentioned by Sherwood in her article) which – a full eighteen months after it began, and immediately following the murders of 29 people in the Park Hotel suicide bombing – was the reason for the IDF’s entry into Ramallah.

In the second Intifada, Tirawi was Head of the PA intelligence services on the West Bank. During his time in that role, he was involved in planning, organisation and conduct of terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. This included collaborative attacks with Hamas, Hizb’allah and Islamic Jihad.” Link

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 1:56 pm
I am usually scornful of the output of the SMH, but Kate McClymont is a gem. Here is her piece on the business history of the Obeid family:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/obeids-empire-20121116-29hij.html

An interesting aspect is the willingness of both ANZ and NAB to write off millions of dollars of debt, thanks to sympathetic executives. One trusts that senior management is looking closely at these people, and at Obeid related activities generally.

Also, they really need to spend a few bucks out of their millions on smoke detectors and sprinklers. It is remarkable how often this family has had fires in their homes and businesses.

NSW, with a few interruptions, has been embarked on a program of continuous improvement in corruption since the Rum Corps.

Of course, it does raise the question – what is Tony Abbott’s role in all this?

johanna

17 Nov 12 at 1:57 pm
You probably don’t know that I truly despise racists for very good personal reasons.

Quite. I remember when that John Mayer chap came out with that quote…:

My dick is sort of like a white supremacist. I’ve got a Benetton heart and a f*ckin’ David Duke c*ck. I’m going to start dating separately from my dick

…thinking “we’ll I’m quite the opposite”.

Though the desires of my heart shall remain personal.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 2:00 pm
Capitalism and unfreedom

While Reagan was sermonizing at the Wall, Ikea and other companies found good cause to like communism:

But on Friday Ikea became associated with something darker when it admitted that at least some of its cupboards, chairs and other household products were produced by East German prisoners incarcerated for their political beliefs.

A roomful of angry former GDR prisoners first watched – and then started to vent decades worth of anger – as a squirming Peter Betzel formally apologised for using prison labour in the 1970s and 1980s.

“We regret wholeheartedly that this happened,” said Betzel, head of Ikea Germany, after an independent report by auditors Ernst and Young confirmed that Ikea managers knew of the practice.

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 2:03 pm
LOL. What, in diplomatic pouches?

They were free men and free to travel. Just like those three Labor leaders were free to go on parliamentary trips abroad before they were jailed for raping children.

The criticism of the Catholic church does not come from them “allowing” them to leave. As you say, they’re free men and permitted to travel. The criticism comes from the Catholic church supporting them to do so – giving them new jobs overseas/interstate and also in at least some cases not informing the people who will supervise them that they have been accused of child sex abuse which gives them more of an opportunity to offend again.

If the Church was willing to do so, it could tell them that they will not provide financial or other support until they have returned to Australia to face the accusations (as at least one leader within the Catholic Church has privately been encouraging). But the Church has chosen not to do this.

The fact is that the Cardinal Archbishop of Sydney has no authority with respect to any confidentiality agreements signed by any Church leaders in the rest of Australia. Once again, Ms Sales and Ms Neighbour should know this.

This is at least partly a situation of the Catholic Church’s own making. Having distributed independent leadership has its advantages, but it also makes it harder to fix things up systemic problems. And the fact is that George Pell is seen as the face of the Catholic church in Australia, and he has stated that although he has no legal authority, he does have moral authority over other Catholic organisations in Australia.

What he could have said, but chose not to during that interview was that he only has legal authority of a small area of the Catholic Church, but that he believes that other Catholic Church organisations should also follow his lead. And declare that they will not enforce confidentiality agreements when it comes to child sex abuse agreements. That’s using is moral authority. He could also have said that he will talk to his superiors in Rome to encourage the people who do control the other Catholic organisations to take a similar stance.

Chris

17 Nov 12 at 2:03 pm
AbbottAbbotAbbott. War impending in the Middle East.

This could have been really interesting. “A second rocket crashed into the sea off Tel Aviv “some 200 metres (yards)” from the beachfront US embassy”.

“Sorry, it slipped”, as Ernie Jones said when he sent a bouncer through the beard of W G Grace.

Rafe Champion

17 Nov 12 at 2:06 pm
Who the hell is John Mayer?

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 2:07 pm
Some guitarist. Caused quite a stir.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 2:08 pm
A lot of people don’t realise that Royal Commissions effectively suspend people’s legal rights. They are the legal equivalent of martial law. While this is their strength, it is also a great danger to individuals who become enmeshed in the process. They are grilled by QCs and (unless they are serving politicians) usually have to pay their own lawyers. They can be sent to jail if the Commission thinks they are holding out, without benefit of judge or jury.

I’d imagine this is the sort of thing the RC will be wanting to go after:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/catholic-churchs-secret-sex-files-20121116-29hkb.html

Something a normal police investigation is unlikely to be able to access.

On one hand I think its a very positive sign that the Church was willing to pay for a very comprehensive and reportedly high quality program in an effort to reduce the chance of clergy re-offending. They should definitely get credit for that. But that doesn’t mean that those accused of or in some cases admitted to sexual abuse of children should get a free pass from criminal investigation and prosecution.

Chris

17 Nov 12 at 2:09 pm
Not good news (Source, Egyptian Gazette)

As wheat prices shoot up worldwide, Egypt, the world’s top grain importer, is squeezed between price hikes and growing demand. There are 2.9 million tonnes of grain reserves, enough to cover 117 days, Abu Zeid Mohamed Abu Zeid, Minister of Supply and Home Trade, was quoted by local media as saying when commenting on the possibility that Ukraine could ban grain exports.

Ukraine has banned exports due to the drought causing a crop failure. Russia also has a poor crop this year. Under the Prezhizzle’s (Paco™) sublime genius the USA is converting it’s grain into fuel for cars.

The Egyptian Central bank is nearly empty of foreign exchange ($7.7 Bn in October, last data I have) and the deficit is now $3.2 Bn a month.

This may not end well.

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 2:12 pm
You seem to be new here.

Indeed.

i found this site via Sinclair’s Flat Tax work.

You guys seem to attract many Leftist trolls. Congratulations, you must be doing something right.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 2:17 pm
Oh goody, Lord McAlpine is going to take the Twitter Leftists who falsely linked him to paedophilia to the cleaners. I hope they lose everything, their life savings, their houses, the lot.

One of the likely writ recipients is George Monbiot, who is always lecturing people on the virtues of lower consumption and less wealth, etc. He will soon find out just what that entails.

Fisky

17 Nov 12 at 2:24 pm
“Many Chinese, Japanese and Koreans, for example, are openly racist and puzzled how anyone cannot be.”

I recognise that attitude Mk50. Mrs Mick is from Asia, she and her lot are just as puzzled and question why we are so morally tortured about it. I do not disagree with their views because who am I to say they are wrong and the modern enforced and artificial Australian way is right?

Mick Gold Coast QLD

17 Nov 12 at 2:25 pm
From the Telly:

If Monbiot has put as much thought into his original tweets as into his apology, he might not now be facing the possibility of costly legal action. More importantly, the McAlpine affair may finally force those who use Twitter to realise they can’t write vile untruths about people and expect to get away with it.

But banning vile untruths and malicious libel would eliminate most Leftist discourse, based as it is on the most fantastic and delusional lies.

Fisky

17 Nov 12 at 2:30 pm
A lot of people don’t realise that Royal Commissions effectively suspend people’s legal rights. They are the legal equivalent of martial law.

So I just read the Royal Commissions Act 1902. I fail to see how the powers of the Royal Commission to call witnesses is any different the the powers of a regular court to subpoena a witness.

SteveC

17 Nov 12 at 2:31 pm
rs Mick is from Asia…

White men and Asian women seems to be a natural attraction.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 2:35 pm
But banning vile untruths and malicious libel would eliminate most Leftist discourse, based as it is on the most fantastic and delusional lies.

Ha, that’s exactly what I was thinking. In effect the Fisk Doctrine is basically a prevention measure that prevents vile and malicious libel from hitting public discourse.

It’s a prevention measure.

JC

17 Nov 12 at 2:36 pm
The criticism comes from the Catholic church supporting them to do so – giving them new jobs overseas/interstate and also in at least some cases not informing the people who will supervise them that they have been accused of child sex abuse which gives them more of an opportunity to offend again.

1. The state lays on all of those piss-off benefits as well.

2. Your desire for mere “accusations” to be publicised is a legal nonsense. This would constitute defamation and slander and would be actionable.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 2:38 pm
Capitalism and unfreedom

While Reagan was sermonizing at the Wall, Ikea and other companies found good cause to like communism:

Scapula, if you had been paying attention, you would have known that everyone here is against crony capitalism and for freedom of speech.

East Germany was your lot, remember? It’s your lot that locks people up for counter-revolutionary speech, you dimwit.

Dangph

17 Nov 12 at 2:42 pm
As far as “secret sex files” go, certain sex files relating to the ‘rehabilitation’ of a serial rapist were recently exposed in the press in relation to a case in Victoria – a murder case. The Victorian police commissioner warned the public not to talk about it. The accused was ‘moved on to a new location’ with no warnings given to his neighbours.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 2:43 pm
I agree with Mrs Mick’s view: ‘she and her lot are just as puzzled and question why we are so morally tortured about it’

And for the same reasons you do.

You get some weird cultural/semantic tangles, though. For example, it was a little puzzling the first time I was told by a South Korean military type: ‘You are not a bad operator for a nigger’. He had to explain that he was using ‘nigger’ in the sense others use ‘gwailo’, he did not want to cause offence as terms like ‘gwailo’ he thought far more potentially offensive.

The hulking great Marine I was with (enormous great black guy) just about died laughing and to this day dines out on that story.

It’s a really nice country, I much prefer it to Japan. A while back I attended a mate’s wedding in Seoul to a Korean woman (he’s ADF and as mad as a cut snake). Her family were funny as. They liked the match (her Korean ex was a right bastard) and it was ‘hey, he might be a monkey, but he’s our family’s monkey and if you make something of it we’ll kill you’.
The Koreans are a weird mob in some ways.

Seoul’s a really great city too.

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 2:45 pm
Brilliant news, Fisky!

Home Lord M skins them all.

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 2:47 pm
There is a vast difference between the power to force someone to answer questions at a RC which is an investigation, and the inability to force an accused person to answer questions in a trial. It’s not rocket science.

Tiny Dancer

17 Nov 12 at 2:49 pm
1. The state lays on all of those piss-off benefits as well.

Where state institutions have organised a new job within their own organisation overseas for an employee accused of sexual abuse to get them out of the relevant police jurisdiction they too should be widely criticised for doing so. If there’s any cases of this happening hopefully they will be brought up in the RC.

This is not just about the Catholic Church, and excuses of “hey they’re hiding people accused of sexual abuse too!” should not be given any weight as a reason for avoiding responsibility.

2. Your desire for mere “accusations” to be publicised is a legal nonsense. This would constitute defamation and slander and would be actionable.

In general I don’t think there is any need for accusation to be publicised, but they should be automatically referred to the police, as the Anglican churches now do. And if they do need to transfer someone (but keeping them within the state) to another a job for the duration of the investigation, the people they now work for should be informed to ensure that they do accidentally have unsupervised access to children in the meantime. Even if someone’s role does not formally involve unsupervised access to children, its likely that many people would inherently trust a member of the clergy unless warned otherwise and so allow access in informal or fill-in situations.

Chris

17 Nov 12 at 2:51 pm
So I just read the Royal Commissions Act 1902. I fail to see how the powers of the Royal Commission to call witnesses is any different the the powers of a regular court to subpoena a witness.

Seek a qualified law educator.

.

17 Nov 12 at 2:54 pm
Capitalism has always worked hand in hand with state power and conditions of slavery and near slavery – Ikea and East Germany, US and China, etc.

Yes, on paper, free marketeers don’t like crony capitalism. In reality, crony capitalism is the only game in town and the US just wiped out habeus corpus.

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 2:54 pm
“One of the likely writ recipients is George Monbiot, who is always lecturing people on the virtues of lower consumption and less wealth, etc. He will soon find out just what that entails.”
——————–
Fisky, I just read somewhere that McAlpine has let Monbiot off the hook. Pity, because Monbiot has plenty of money, despite deploring capitalism in principle. Then again, the grovelling apology is on the record for ever and ever.

There are still plenty of other people who have not apologised, and it has been made clear that they are fair game.

Steve C, the powers of Royal Commissions which matter go way beyond the power to call witnesses. You haven’t got a clue.

johanna

17 Nov 12 at 2:57 pm
Street scene in Seoul

http://www.the-rathouse.com/2010/IMG_0359.JPG

http://www.the-rathouse.com/2010/IMG_0360.JPG

Rafe Champion

17 Nov 12 at 2:58 pm
Dunno, Johanna, it’s a bit confused.

This is the latest it seems, and Moonbat is still on the hook, despite his efforts to snivel and grovel his way out of it.

I hope Lord M skins the bugger.

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 3:00 pm
Sky News:

A case worker with the NSW Department of Family and Community Services charged with sexually abusing a girl has been refused bail.

The 54-year-old man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, did not appear in person when the matter was brought before Newcastle Bail Court on Saturday, when bail was formally refused.

The case is due before court again on Monday.

The man was charged on Friday with four counts of aggravated sexual assault on a nine-year-old girl who had been living with his partner.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 3:03 pm
“You get some weird cultural/semantic tangles, though”

Mk50 – Mrs Mick’s crew are very dark brown and will laugh for weeks when one of ‘em comes up with an amusing line about the only white fella in the family, who has over the years been promoted to titular head (which really means she is in charge but ever so subtly and charmingly crafts the decisions made under my authority).

One of the most amusing practices is when we eat – no-one sits until I do and then they spend the next little while pretty much ignoring me because, whilst am fluent in their dialect, there is no way known that I can keep up with the conversation when they excitedly enjoy the ceremony that is dining together.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

17 Nov 12 at 3:04 pm
O.K. then…for all Cat readers proud to call themselves “libertarians”.

A Pop Quiz Question:

Which was The Religion that used
Victoria’s ‘Racial and Religious Vilification Laws’,
that ended in VCAT GAOLING TWO AUSTRALIANS?

The Prize:
Not being seen to ‘support Them’ with Silence.
(Warning – The Prize tends cause personal ‘worldly’ poverty)

The belief in Government approved speech and action. Statism is a sickening, barbaric notion.

.

17 Nov 12 at 3:04 pm
TD, the comparison is witnesses. In the RC noone is “accused” of anything, there is no “charge”. If I refuse to answer questions in the RC I can be sent to jail. If I refuse to answer questions having been subpoenad in criminal proceedings, I can be sent to jail. How is the RC “suspending my legal rights”? Which legal rights?

SteveC

17 Nov 12 at 3:05 pm
Given that the allegation was almost immediately withdrawn by the party making it, the damage to the Lord’s reputation is not only zero its quite possible that his public esteem has actually risen.

If people beyond the BBC have apologized for their actions, then that should be the end of the matter and no I don’t particularly like Monbiot either.

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 3:06 pm
presbyterians, dot, obviously

The followers of the prophet who married a six year old child and (so gentlemanly) waited three whole years before shagging her are apparently as pure as the driven snow.

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 3:08 pm
From the ‘what possibly could go wrong’ Dept:

In its report, the International Atomic Energy Agency said Iran was ready within days to ramp up its production of 20 percent enriched uranium at its plant at Fordo using 700 more centrifuges.

That would double Iran’s present output and cut in half the time it would take to acquire enough of the substance needed to make a nuclear weapon, reducing it to just over three months.

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 3:10 pm
Speaking of racist anti-semites, where did Crapulon the racist anti-semite go?

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 3:11 pm
racist anti-semite

As I said before, isn’t racism and anti-semitism one and the same?

Not that I consider PC, and it’s mindless adherents, to be logical or anything.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 3:23 pm
You guys seem to attract many Leftist trolls. Congratulations, you must be doing something right.

Yes…they ‘feed’ the leftist trolls,
while,’starving’ (and poking forked tongues at ),
independent, individual, rich property owning,
world class producers.

Oh, and for all the Anti Statists:

How many here have the personal power to prevent war raging
between Israel and those who devoutly hate them?

How many here have the personal power to prevent The State
taking children from loving parents, in order to put them in ‘the care’ of
known to The State to be abusive, yet still, State Funded, ‘carers’?

true lilly

17 Nov 12 at 3:24 pm
I don’t need to take a fucking purity test to “prove” I dislike Hamas and militant Islam.

Stop listening to the ALPBC and stop being paranoid. Israel will win and they are justified in their actions.

.

17 Nov 12 at 3:27 pm
They oppose leftist trolls.

Which is banal work, yet important none the less.

It should be state funded…kidding.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 3:27 pm
JC, one must feel a rush of excitement when Leftists are having their free speech taken away. They always scream and wail about it, but when the boot’s on the other foot they are the biggest hypocrites on free speech. From mass libel suits like McAlpine’s through to the recent and long-overdue media reforms in Hungary, the emerging theme is that Leftists are getting rather too much airtime and need to turn it down a little.

Fisky

17 Nov 12 at 3:32 pm
Calling someone a:

…racist anti-semite.

= I’m a part of the PC Police.

This is nothing more than holding the people who run around here implying that all whites (especially males) that vote conservative / libertarian are racists.

When you see the regulars take that approach Greg, you can be assume that the person being hit is a lefty that has shown the blackness that runs in their heart.

Token

17 Nov 12 at 3:35 pm
Given that the allegation was almost immediately withdrawn by the party making it, the damage to the Lord’s reputation is not only zero its quite possible that his public esteem has actually risen.

P’rhaps this gem from Scrap comes from personal dealings in defamation? Tell us more Scrap, of what you know about apologies to fend off defamatio and the success thereof.

Tintarella di Luna

17 Nov 12 at 3:39 pm
Notice how Crapula moves seamlessly back and forth from hatred of Jews to hatred of capitalists? It’s a special type of clueless do-nothing victimhood in the extreme fruitcake unemployed left. Talks like a teenager, but I’m tipping he’s much older with a learning disability.

Tom

17 Nov 12 at 3:44 pm
Talks like a teenager, but I’m tipping he’s much older with a learning disability.

That could be anyone that reads the Marxist crap that underlies Leftism.

Token

17 Nov 12 at 3:53 pm
Yeay, C.L. and Dot!

O.K., ‘only’ The Consolation Prize, but then,
(in, ‘this current season’), one needs to be
seriously ‘tougher’ (in Faith); even more so,
than Union Whistle-blowers, to ‘endure bearing’,
‘The Prize’.

A seriously tough ask, of any mere mortal, humane being.
Even of those with deep faith in God. As He forewarned us.

true lilly

17 Nov 12 at 4:06 pm
Given that the allegation was almost immediately withdrawn by the party making it, the damage to the Lord’s reputation is not only zero its quite possible that his public esteem has actually risen.

Alright then, why don’t you give us your real name and address so that we can call you a paedophile on Twitter, and then promptly retract? It will be good for your reputation, remember.

Fisky

17 Nov 12 at 4:09 pm
Just like der Left is enjoined in hatred of, everything.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 4:10 pm
test

:-} %*} :-1

Septimus

17 Nov 12 at 4:19 pm
Scabby, a Royal Commission can:

– ignore the laws of evidence. It can admit hearsay, gossip, illegally obtained evidence, contaminated evidence, evidence obtained under duress and anything else that takes its fancy;

– deny (as it usually does) a person the right to an advocate who can question witnesses;

– without giving reasons, search and seize just about anything, anywhere;

– send people to jail for not co-operating. This is way beyond the powers of ordinary courts;

– put ordinary punters who are not accused of anything in front of high priced QCs and SCs wanting to make a name for themselves, while leaving the punter to pay their own legal costs.

There are no doubt more things that I have missed, but it gives you the flavour. The thing is, RCs are essentially inquisitorial. Countries that have inquisitorial systems don’t necessarily get things wrong, but they have checks and balances which don’t exist for RCs. A Royal Commission is an ambitious lawyer’s wet dream. He/she is the superhero, crusading for justice outside any of the boring checks and balances of a civilised legal framework.

A Royal Commission is not a dinner party.

johanna

17 Nov 12 at 4:19 pm
:-}

Septimus

17 Nov 12 at 4:20 pm
In Islamist-controlled Timbuktu, a local official said dozens of women were arrested on Thursday by al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) for not wearing veils.

“The Islamists were going into homes to arrest unveiled women,” he said.

The women were being “imprisoned” at a disused bank, a medical source added, as AQIM militants vowed to continue the crackdown in the city which they control with Islamist group Ansar Dine, saying “that nothing can prevent them from doing so”.

Anyone heard gillard speak up about this? She said she was going to speak out against misogyny.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world/al-qaeda-linked-group-detains-mali-women/story-e6frfkui-1226518568298#ixzz2CSGcfHvL

Gab

17 Nov 12 at 4:34 pm
Same as Hillary(ous). Feminism is about putting shit on White men. Not standing up for da wymins.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 4:41 pm
Intel officials unable to say who changed CIA talking points on Libya, lawmaker says

Former CIA Director David Petraeus stoked the controversy over the Obama administration’s handling of the Libya terror attack, testifying Friday that references to “Al Qaeda involvement” were stripped from his agency’s original talking points — while other intelligence officials were unable to say who changed the memo, according to a top lawmaker who was briefed.

JamesK

17 Nov 12 at 4:42 pm
But surely an ordinary court has these same powers:

– send people to jail for not co-operating. This is way beyond the powers of ordinary courts;

Contempt of court and Criminal procedure Act

– put ordinary punters who are not accused of anything in front of high priced QCs and SCs wanting to make a name for themselves, while leaving the punter to pay their own legal costs.

Again, can’t any criminal proceeding “put ordinary punters not accused of anything” in front of QC’s etc? It’s not my understanding that witnesses are entitled to legal representation in any criminal court.

I found a useful article from the Law Reform Commission which does in some ways echo johanna’s concerns, though perhaps not so dramatiaccly

SteveC

17 Nov 12 at 4:45 pm
BREAKING: The president knew the truth about Benghazi

In a blockbuster report, John Solomon, the former Associated Press and Post reporter, has ferreted out the president’s daily brief that informed him within 72 hours of the Sept. 11 attack that the Benghazi attack was a jihadist operation.

Citing officials directly familiar with the information, Solomon writes in the Washington Guardian that Obama and other administration officials were told that “that the attack was likely carried out by local militia and other armed extremists sympathetic to al-Qaida in the region.”……

This report indicates that the president certainly knew that Benghazi wasn’t a rogue movie review gone bad. He had information that plainly spelled out what was later confirmed by additional intelligence. If this information was too confidential to share with the public, at the very least the president and others should not have mislead voters.

This is a full-blown scandal, and in light of this information, the press corps’s slothful indifference to uncovering the truth at Wednesday’s news conference with Obama is all the more shocking. It is time for the president to come clean. The scandal has now enveloped the Oval Office and will define his second term, if not resolved satisfactorily.

JamesK

17 Nov 12 at 4:45 pm
No, there isn’t because witch hunts were strictly forbidden by the Catholic Church and, in fact, were a protestant specialty.

CL lies yet again.

Three-quarters of all witchcraft trials took place in the Catholic-ruled territories of the Holy Roman Empire.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 4:52 pm
You’re a tool mXnty.

But people who put numbers in their pseudonyms always are.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 4:55 pm
Steve C, you are still in fairyland. My friend (who was tangentially involved in a matter being investigated by an RC) was interrogated by six – count ‘em, six – QCs employed on a limitless budget by the Government. There was no-one in the room to ask questions on her behalf.

There is no comparison with ordinary civil or criminal proceedings.

johanna

17 Nov 12 at 4:55 pm
“If this information was too confidential to share with the public, at the very least the president and others should not have mislead (sic) voters.”

So the narrative finds its new path.

Jarrah

17 Nov 12 at 5:17 pm
“Crapulon: 16 Nov 12 2158 notes that he holds Jews responsible”

You’re making the basic mistake of thinking when someone criticises Israel, they must hate “jooooooooos”, as you put it.

“Muslim arab Israeli citizens have full rights in Israel.”

This ignores those in the occupied territories, which is where the parallel with apartheid is drawn (one with which I disagree, BTW).

“‘The Wall’ is a defensive feature”

An effective defensive feature, it’s also a land grab, an attempt to mark demographic borders, and a tool of oppression.

Jarrah

17 Nov 12 at 5:28 pm
So the narrative finds its new path.

Nope. Same narrative, same path – Obama lied.

Gab

17 Nov 12 at 5:30 pm
A Royal Commission can’t prosecute anyone co-operating directly and its investigative powers are limited to its terms of reference.

They’re also necessary and have proven invaluable in restoring democratic rule when it has been corrupted by institutions,

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 5:31 pm
Citing officials directly familiar with the information, Solomon writes in the Washington Guardian that Obama and other administration officials were told that “that the attack was likely carried out by local militia and other armed extremists sympathetic to al-Qaida in the region.”……

Two of the four killed were CIA and Benghazi was a CIA base for contacting ‘friendly’ Islamic militants and collecting arms for Syria.

You can see why the administration might have preferred the ‘film story’

Iran-Conta scandal under Reagan was illegal – nothing illegal here.

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 5:37 pm
“Among the early evidence cited in the briefings to the president and other senior officials were intercepts showing some of the participants were known members or supporters of Ansar al-Sharia — the al-Qaida-sympathizing militia in Libya — and the AQIM, which is a direct affiliate of al-Qaida in northern Africa, the officials said.”

How could the president and his senior staff then have allowed (or rather, sent) Rice to go out to tell an entirely different tale to the American people on Sept. 16 on five TV shows?

Yes, the ones that did the killing were also known CIA supporters who turned on their paymasters who wanted their destructive zeal turned only on Assad.

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 5:46 pm
I love [whichever Arab faction is paying me off @ the moment]

viva the US house of reps!!!!

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 5:53 pm
What occupied territories, Jarrah?

Gaza? The same Gaza handed back to the pallies in 2005 in return for ‘peace’, to become the pallie fairyland riding on a river of EU air money with endless kumbaya chanting? The same gaza from which all garrisons and settlers were removed?

That ‘occupied territory’? The one that’s not, y’know, actually occupied by anyone but arabs who elected a terrorist organisation as their government?

Just how well DID that pan out?

Or the west bank, which would long ago have been handed back had the slightest good faith, ability to co-exist peacefully, ability to not keep indiscriminately rocketing the neighbours, etc etc been shown in Gaza.

because there was a worsening of pallie behaviour after the return of Gaza to them, the Israelis have to garrison the joint.

Tough. All the pallies have to do is stop launching rockets and coming over the border to cut the throats of babies for a few years. But, being controlled by barbarians and used by the rest of the arab world to deflect domestic attention away from their gocvernments, there’s no chance of that.

And if that costs them expulsion from the West bank and Gaza, tough luck. They had their chance and blew it. They are ethnic arab muslims indistinguishable from any other, and there’s plenty of land in the arab world to move to.

After all, the large Jewish and Christian populations expelled from the rest of the arab world had to find another place to live, yes?

As for the wall, if the arabs were not trying to attack across it, it would not be needed. If they lose land because if it, tough luck.

There are no good choices, there are no white hats. There are barbarians and civilised people on both sides.

Yet as there is one imperfect liberal western democracy, and the others – aren’t.

Which is why this will simply continue, as it is now, indefinitely.

Your other point:

You’re making the basic mistake of thinking when someone criticises Israel, they must hate “jooooooooos”, as you put it.

Over the past couple of decades, people have worked out that when the left says they ‘hate Zionists’ they actually express anti-semitism. Over the past couple of years the anti-semitic left have moved away from ‘hating Zionists’ to ‘hating Israeli actions’.

They changed their anti-semitic codeword a little, but it’s still an anti-semitic codeword.

One example among many – it was clearly revealed by the chatterati when they referred to Mohammad Merah as being ‘anti Israeli’ when he himself said he hated Jews and that’s why he murdered those little kids.

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 6:14 pm
Sound familiar?

XXXX declined to answer what he described as ”insulting” and ”ill-founded” questions.

The NSW Right has a great deal of experience in these matters and we can be confident some of the faceless men help Gillard to this day.

Token

17 Nov 12 at 6:28 pm
the hollywood community was surprisingly tolerant and welcoming of roman polanski despite his pleading guilty to child rape.

Assange was defended as a victim of a massive conspiracy.

Jim Rose

17 Nov 12 at 6:30 pm
Gaza has been under blockade since the few settlers there were removed as a measure intended to make it easier to attack Gazans at will.

There was no peace agreement and no independent state established there.

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 6:40 pm
Steyn:

Nobody talked about tribal-vote shares back then, but had the percentage of what Beckel calls the “white vote” been the same in 2012 as it was in 1980 (88 percent), Mitt Romney would have won in an even bigger landslide than Reagan. The “white vote” will be even lower in 2016, and so, on the Beckel model, Republicans are set to lose all over again.

Hence the urge to get on the right side of America’s fastest-growing demographic. Only 27 percent of Hispanics voted for Romney. But all that could change if the GOP were to sign on to support some means of legalizing the presence of the 12–20 million fine upstanding members of the Undocumented-American community who are allegedly “social conservatives” and thus natural Republican voters. Once we pass amnesty, argues Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, “future immigrants will be more open to the Republican Party because, unlike many immigrants who are already here, they won’t have been harmed or insulted by Republican politicians.”

So, if I follow correctly, instead of getting 27 percent of the 10 percent Hispanic vote, Republicans will get, oh, 38 percent of the 25 percent Hispanic vote, and sweep to victory.

Everyone talks about this demographic transformation as if it’s a natural phenomenon, like Hurricane Sandy. Indeed, I notice that many of those exulting in the inevitable eclipse of “white America” are the same people who assure me that demographic arguments about the Islamization of Europe are completely preposterous. But in neither the United States nor Europe is it a natural phenomenon. Rather, it’s the fruit of conscious government policy.

According to the Census, in 1970 the “Non-Hispanic White” population of California was 78 percent. By the 2010 census, it was 40 percent. Over the same period, the 10 percent Hispanic population quadrupled and caught up with whites.

That doesn’t sound terribly “natural” does it? If one were informed that, say, the population of Nigeria had gone from 80 percent black in 1970 to 40 percent black today, one would suspect something rather odd and unnatural had been going on. Twenty years ago, Rwanda was about 14 percent Tutsi. Now it’s just under 10 percent. So it takes a bunch of Hutu butchers getting out their machetes and engaging in seven-figure genocide to lower the Tutsi population by a third. But, when the white population of California falls by half, that’s “natural,” just the way it is, one of those things, could happen to anyone.

JamesK

17 Nov 12 at 6:43 pm
Bob

Can you please take your rants to your own blog. This is really getting bad again.

JC

17 Nov 12 at 6:44 pm
Link

JamesK

17 Nov 12 at 6:44 pm
So you really think Mk 50 of Brisbane is letting down the show, Joe?

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 6:50 pm
Listened to Adam Carolla interview Eric Idle.

Interested to hear that after his experience pre & post Thatcher in the UK Idle understands the Laffer Curve effect well and is a big fan of low taxes.

Token

17 Nov 12 at 7:05 pm
No Bob, you are. Go write Chipmunk a speech or something.

JC

17 Nov 12 at 7:08 pm
Steyn doesn’t actually have a solution to the right’s problem, does he? He’s just a whining loser.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 7:11 pm
PS: Carolla podcasts are great fun but warning Adam is very in your face with his dirty humour.

I also find he delivers libertarian & conservative messages in a form that gets the message to millions of people. They are crude, and effective.

Token

17 Nov 12 at 7:11 pm
On Obeid and Gillard;

Mr Fitzhenry had paid $600,000 to the Melbourne developer Albert Dadon, a generous donor to the Labor Party. It was Mr Dadon who employed Julia Gillard’s partner Tom Mathieson to sell apartments.

I think they mean Tim and he is but a lowly non-corruptible hairdresser. /sarc
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/how-obeids-kept-plan-for-giant-marina-afloat-20110520-1ewsh.html#ixzz2CSuTprO4

jumpnmcar

17 Nov 12 at 7:16 pm
Steyn doesn’t actually have a solution to the right’s problem, does he? He’s just a whining loser.

What problem is that Fat Boy? The one you’ve dreamed up?

JC

17 Nov 12 at 7:16 pm
Interested to hear that after his experience pre & post Thatcher in the UK Idle understands the Laffer Curve effect well and is a big fan of low taxes.

The New Statesman wasn’t bad but the constant left of centre bias does grate.

Alright then, why don’t you give us your real name and address so that we can call you a paedophile on Twitter, and then promptly retract? It will be good for your reputation, remember.

LAWL fisky…yep the left are so fair.

.

17 Nov 12 at 7:16 pm
Insane workers in US state of Maine are proud their strike killed the company they were picketing.

The works response to the end of Hostess Bakeries was like the Suicide Squad in Monty Python, their statement is akin to the statement “That showed ‘em” from the great movie.

Token

17 Nov 12 at 7:22 pm
mXnt is a fat, pony-tailed fuck. triple chins chewin’ on his carbo load, sweating between two massive cheeks, choking back a pile of cancerous tumours.

Typical fucking anti-tyke neo-calvanist leftist. Which is what leftism really is.

MXnt if you were important enough i’d [edited to save me and Sinclair legal troubles/costs].

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 7:24 pm
Gillard has direct links to HSU & Wlliamson, AWU via Wilson & a dozen others, Arbib & now Obeid (see the article).

A royal commission would have a field day.

Token

17 Nov 12 at 7:29 pm
Greg – he always speaks highly of you.

More seriously a tad OTT don’t you think?

Sinclair Davidson

17 Nov 12 at 7:38 pm
Trigger finger rained in Sinc.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 7:40 pm
This blog is peppered with leftists insults. Quiggins blog is peppered with rightist insults
Its like a fucking football game where no one thinks isnt it?

Where the hell is jumpincar?

Where the hell are the Nats when idiots are running around town creaming at each other “leftist” “rightist” nyaa nyaa nyaa

Children (Quiggin and Sinc included)

Bring the Nats to twon so I have a halfway ungateful, un vicious, un name calling party to vote for

Why the hell arent the Nats in control of the libs instead of vice versa. At least they dont seem to have an ugly hating side.

So oooooooover the division. Really do we want to end up like the warring yanks who cant agree on kjack because they are too busy screaming “red” no “blue”.

Idiots and fools all of you.

Alice

17 Nov 12 at 7:43 pm
Well interceded Sinc. You are on the qui vive this evening.

Septimus

17 Nov 12 at 7:43 pm
Steyn has got in trouble for noting that where immigration occurs on such as large-scale that it makes integration into the broader society unlikely, social disruption results.

Interesting to note a BBC celebrity note the same effect when she took the wrong turn in Leicester.

[H/t Bolta]

Token

17 Nov 12 at 7:48 pm
Greg at least Ill give sinc this – he has lower standards of politeness and control than Quiggin who seems to want eveyone of his posters to talk numbers no matter of the numbers are crap or VEWWY VEWWY politely.
(and hang on a minute we are talking economics and polics?? Noy exactly the content to keep people calm and polite is it)

At least Ill give Sinc an inch over Quiggin -Sinc permits people to peak in ordinary language but as for Greg above with his expetive ridden post

Yeah it was mnore than a tad OTT.

Alice

17 Nov 12 at 7:50 pm
Where the hell is jumpincar?

I’m right here sweetness, eating popcorn and watching the show.
Chill a little.

jumpnmcar

17 Nov 12 at 7:52 pm
Ill try jumpincar but these libs and labors are nuts. Why arent the Nats in town? Ive had a gutful of them both.

Maybe I should go get some popcorn as well!

Alice

17 Nov 12 at 7:53 pm
Tom Dusevic’s piece on Labor – who’s sleeping with whom, a classic column from March 2011, and always worth a re-read.
Seems to become more relevant over time.

blogstrop

17 Nov 12 at 7:55 pm
Indeed Alice.

It’s just the anti-Catholic bs gets me… .I blame Sinclair for his post, he stirred me up.

Not the 5 Coopers Reds or the bottle of Peperjack shiraz I must open.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 7:56 pm
Monty’s doctored quote:

Three-quarters of all witchcraft trials took place in the Catholic-ruled territories of the Holy Roman Empire.

The actual quote:

Three-quarters of all witchcraft trials took place in the Catholic-ruled territories of the Holy Roman Empire. But Catholic Portugal, Castile and Spanish-ruled Italy, and the Orthodox lands of Eastern Europe saw virtually none. The panic in Salem, Massachusetts, was as bad as anything in England, but there seem to have been no executions in the Latin colonies of the New World.

That “witchcraft trials” took place (as authorities dealt with local situations) is not the same thing as saying “witch hunts” were a Catholic phenomenon – your original, hilariously ignorant suggestion. You were far more likely to be killed as a witch pursuant to legal protestant authority in Boston than you were by Rome.

Your own source denounces “leftists” (like you) and their lies about Catholicism in its OPENING PARAGRAPH.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 8:02 pm
LOL worthy of a laught at least Greg P – mind you your language is unfit for the dinner table definitely…

Alice

17 Nov 12 at 8:03 pm
It is curious where the line is drawn on this blog.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 8:03 pm
Dellers really is not worried about that piece in the Guardian which Crupula was trumpeting a little while ago:

Poor Greenpeace. I owe them a huge debt of gratitude for having got me on the front page of the paper edition of the Guardian (and how many more of those will there be???), for having boosted sales of my splendid book Watermelons: How Environmentalists Are Killing The Planet, Destroying The Economy And Stealing Your Children’s Future, and for having given me an excuse to get yet another article on the evils of wind farms in the print issue of the Telegraph.

Token

17 Nov 12 at 8:03 pm
eating popcorn and watching the show

No popcorn here. Just wine . . . much wine.

Tell me if I start slurring my speech.

Septimus

17 Nov 12 at 8:03 pm
In a blockbuster report, John Solomon, the former Associated Press and Post reporter, has ferreted out the president’s daily brief that informed him within 72 hours of the Sept. 11 attack that the Benghazi attack was a jihadist operation.

As we correctly argued here, the despicable traitor knew the truth all long. This is far bigger than Watergate – where nobody actually died. Obama should be – and may well end up being – impeached.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 8:05 pm
Alice
The prawns are running big time up here, which political party is least likely to stop you and i casting for them?
I want more freedom and i think you do too.
Thats how i rank them, least likely to limit my freedom.
Nat them Lib then Lab and lastly green.
You?

jumpnmcar

17 Nov 12 at 8:06 pm
The candid response is on the money.

Why is the BBC apologising for the Chief Rabbi speaking his mind on the Today Programme?

This morning, for perhaps literally the first time in its history, Thought for the Day was worth listening to. The Chief Rabbi, Lord Sacks, chuntered on for a couple of minutes about Children in Need, and how we should always pray for children, especially those in need, and aren’t children lovely, and remember the Christ child and Baby Moses and so on.

And then, when he’d run out of breath, the Today Programme’s presenter Evan Davis asked him – quite reasonably – “Before you go, Jonathan, have you any thoughts about the situation in Gaza?”

Big sigh. “I think it’s about Iran, actually.” Then Davis and his co-presenter Sarah Montague quietly pointed out that Rabbi Sacks was still live on air, as he clearly hadn’t realised, so Lord Sacks quickly said “Continued prayers for the region” and added a bromide about how violence solves nothing.

Token

17 Nov 12 at 8:07 pm
Here is CL with more leftist insults and

PS I want the whole leftists rightists thing to END. CAPUT. FINALE. DIG a Grave and pour yourselves into it. And old warriors to just go to the retirement home and argue on a balcony somewhere and leave the rest of us in peace???.

We will end up like the stupid warring yank tribes.
Jeezus how long can the cultchya warzzzzzzzz…. go on and on???.. (Im asleep already) ….

Alice

17 Nov 12 at 8:09 pm
Obama should be – and may well end up being – impeached.

That’s interesting.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 8:11 pm
Yes, its all about attacking Iran, as even the good Rabbi knows but daren’t say.

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 8:13 pm
Jumpinxae

Im thinking the same but I dont like lib or labor (too much the same – like couple of feral cats in a back alley screeching at each other – one corrupt and the other so mad on the free market thing they are stuffing up our producers and either way the corrupt ones do the same anyway).

Its just that when I vote I get a choice between lib, labor, greens and couple of scraggly independents usually.

I dont mind the Nats. I dont think they get a fair hearing or fair representation at all but where I live (in city) I never see a Nat ticket.

Id vote for it if it was there….

Alice

17 Nov 12 at 8:14 pm
Obama should be – and may well end up being – impeached.
That’s interesting

That’s a lay down misére if the GOP regains the Senate in the 2014 half term elections.

Septimus

17 Nov 12 at 8:15 pm
Obama consults expert on how to fix economy he wrecked…

Obama Consults With MSNBC Host Al Sharpton on Fiscal Talks.

That would be the Al Sharpton who incited a mob of black, irrational lunatics to murder Yankel Rosenbaum in 1991.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 8:15 pm
It is curious where the line is drawn on this blog.

Where would you like the line drawn, m0nt?

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 8:17 pm
Why the hell arent the Nats in control of the libs instead of vice versa. At least they dont seem to have an ugly hating side.

Alice are you joking? The Nats’ dissidents leave the party and enjoy mutual poisonous relationships with their former party (cf Windsor, Oakeshott). The hatred between Tony Windsor and the Nationals is more bitter than any feud in the Liberal Party.

Cold-Hands

17 Nov 12 at 8:19 pm
That’s a lay down misére if the GOP regains the Senate in the 2014 half term elections.

coz you were so opposite the Watergate in ’72.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 8:19 pm
Id love to be prawning wherever you are jumpncar…havent been prawning since I was a kid but my grandfather was an expert prawner and many happy nights over a boiling pot when we got home if the prawns were running – a while ago now – doubt Ill get to don waders again – but I did my share through the reeds with a flashlight and net and bucket.

Yeah its great.

Alice

17 Nov 12 at 8:20 pm
Where would you like the line drawn, m0nt?

52 inches? But I digress.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 8:21 pm
PS I want the whole leftists rightists thing to END. CAPUT. FINALE. DIG a Grave and pour yourselves into it.

m0nt still hasn’t explained how he differs from the right (neocons), Alice.

Apparently he’s an “institutionalist” who wants to elect a new people to man the institutions he adores.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 8:21 pm
Alice
Perhaps watching the senate rather that lower house.
To me, at least, the differences are more apparent.

jumpnmcar

17 Nov 12 at 8:22 pm
maybe Coldhands but the Nats seem more appealing to me than the libs – I think the libs have gone a bit extreme with their worship of free narkets instead of the bloody country I live in and thats what pisses me off.

Im not in love with the global economy and Im more interested in the Australian economy and I dont give a stuff if anyone calls mne selfish.
I am.

Alice

17 Nov 12 at 8:24 pm
coz you were so opposite the Watergate in ’72

Que? Je ne comprende. You drinking wine too?

Septimus

17 Nov 12 at 8:25 pm
Free narkets – sorry it narks me a lot, but I meant to say free markets. It was a freudian slip.

Alice

17 Nov 12 at 8:25 pm
Hey m0nt, the institution is marriage, what have you been doing lately to defend it?

Wearing placards outside Flinders Street Station opposing “no fault” divorce?

Objecting to Lionel Murphy’s Family Law Act 1975 at your monthly Labor meeting?

Please, I’d love to know what the great defender of institutions has been up to lately.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 8:29 pm
“I hate free markets and I am selfish”

Yep.

.

17 Nov 12 at 8:30 pm
Hey m0nt, the institution is marriage, what have you been doing lately to defend it?

Don’t get between a ‘man’ and his hand…dewd.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 8:32 pm
That’s a lay down misére if the GOP regains the Senate in the 2014 half term elections.

History suggests that the 2nd term is going to be hard as the congress (both sides) knows they the Prez has no skin in the game.

At to that what Victor Davis Hanson notes keeps occuring with each 2nd term:

The second-term curse goes like this: A president (e.g., Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and so on) wins reelection, but then his presidency implodes over the next four years — mired in scandals or disasters such as Watergate, Iran-Contra, Monica Lewinsky, the Iraqi insurgency, and Hurricane Katrina.

Apparently, like tragic Greek heroes, administrations grow arrogant after their reelection wins. They believe that they are invincible and that their public approval is permanent rather than fickle.

The result is that Nemesis zeroes in on their fatal conceit and with a boom corrects their hubris. Or is the problem in some instances simply that embarrassments and scandals, hushed up in fear that they might cost an administration an election, explode with a fury in the second term?

VHD lists the many ugly truths that the Obama admin revealed after election day when victory was assured.

Token

17 Nov 12 at 8:33 pm
Correction: “the institution *of* marriage”

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 8:33 pm
Pat whaaaa?
Instutionalists at the hel?m. Mont will have to explain that one? I thought we had institutions that worked until I heard abouyt Obeid and then about the Reserve Bank and its plastic notes trades and then about the HSU unions and the cretins at the top of that, and then about Roozendahl and his dirty dealing cars, Slipper and his cabcx\harge dockets and only last week someone I work for is being charged a “government fee” of $50 per head to get a police check on every worker – brand new piece of legislation on small / medium business with $$$$$$ attached.

What a bloody con??????

Whatever we did have by way of institutions has become degenerate and greedy and corrupt (take your pick). Not as bad as Papua New Guinea but on the way there.

and there is no-one nice or decent to vote for.
Id better go to bed. Feeling disnal.

Alice

17 Nov 12 at 8:34 pm
PS I want the whole leftists rightists thing to END. CAPUT. FINALE. DIG a Grave and pour yourselves into it. And old warriors to just go to the retirement home and argue on a balcony somewhere and leave the rest of us in peace???.

Alice, this IS the retirement home.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 8:35 pm
Is there any possible peace agreement acceptable to a majority of Israelis and Palestinians? See http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/9585#.UKdVRGdSQ9M for how the “Blackmailer’s Paradox” in game theory is happening in the Arab-Israeli conflict.

At each stage of negotiation, the Arabs present impossible, unacceptable starting positions. They act sure of themselves and make it clear to Israel that there is no chance of their backing down. Israel agrees to their blackmailing demands because otherwise she will leave the room empty handed.

For there to be peace, Israel must start talking about the “painful concessions” it will require of the Palestinians. Only then will both sides negotiate because they know that Israel is willing to walk away and perhaps not come back for a long time unless it gets reasonable offers that will be binding.

Robert Aumann argues that “If you are ready for war, you will not need to fight. If you cry ‘peace, peace,’ you will end up fighting… What brings war is that you signal weakness and concessions”

Jim Rose

17 Nov 12 at 8:36 pm
Where would you like the line drawn, m0nt?

Constant insults are tiresome.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 8:36 pm
It all comes apart in the second term because there is no government to re-elect; only warring factions on both sides.

Scapula

17 Nov 12 at 8:38 pm
For m0nt, institutions are to society, what branch stacking is to democracy.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 8:39 pm
Dot

I hate free markets because i dont give a stuff about the global economy. I dont live there. I care about the domestic economy because the best contribution we can make to the global economy is if the domestic economy is doing well

So take the free markets things and shove it.

I am selfish for a good reason and I dont want to hear any claptrap about “we need to cop shit because its all global now”

BS we do. In that I am selfish. I care about the Australian economy first and the global economy second. In that order.

Alice

17 Nov 12 at 8:39 pm
Nearly spewed this afternoon!!!. I was watching the podium presentraion at the V8 meeting at Winton and Jul;iar’s beta male Tim gave the first prize to Jamie Whincup.

That soured the whole afternoon.

Mike

Mike of Marion

17 Nov 12 at 8:39 pm
Constant insults are tiresome.

All the better to become sanctimonious over.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 8:40 pm
F keyboard can’t spell!!

Mike of Marion

17 Nov 12 at 8:40 pm
Hey m0nt, the institution is marriage, what have you been doing lately to defend it?

You kidding. Monst has never kissed a woman and he’s 40.

He recently said:

“ you don’t really need hetro sex“

JC

17 Nov 12 at 8:42 pm
Constant insults are tiresome.

I agree.

So how about you start actually debating the things you assert, rather than insulting everyone?

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 8:42 pm
Dot, i may be wrong but I think Alices disdain comes from calling an agreement made by some Fed wanker( see Bob Carr et al) that sees Australian producers duped in so called ” Free trade agreements *”
And the US hypocrisy on that issue.
(* no mandate asked or given)
( just my take on it )

jumpnmcar

17 Nov 12 at 8:42 pm
or m0nt, institutions are to society, what branch stacking is to democracy.

lol

mXnt is to democracy as Fascism is.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 8:43 pm
“ you don’t really need hetro sex“

Not when you have institutions to defend!

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 8:43 pm
m0nt still hasn’t explained how he differs from the right (neocons), Alice.

Apparently he’s an “institutionalist” who wants to elect a new people to man the institutions he adores.

I have told you, Pat. Neocons want to tear down institutions for ideological reasons, no matter how much good each individual institution has done for the world. Where those institutions need reform because of bad eggs or hosting organised corruption, I support reforming them by cleaning house, not knocking the house down. Further, in my opinion the process of reform should happen through those institutions which are based on sound principles – this includes, and indeed relies upon, a strong respect for the constitution.

You call me a rightist, Pat, and Dot calls me a leftist. Maybe you’re both right, in your way. I believe what I believe.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 8:44 pm
Neocons want to tear down institutions for ideological reasons, no matter how much good each individual institution has done for the world.

Wrong piggy. See page 37 of the PDS, Foreign Policy.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 8:47 pm
Hey Monster…

the other day you were babbling on about some gibberish that you weren’t a leftist.. lol.. and that you were an instituionalist.. You felt shociety’s institutions should be defended.

Here’s your chance to defend traditonal marriage, you dishonest fat oaf.

Go!

JC

17 Nov 12 at 8:47 pm
I never called you a rightist, m0nt, I asked you what differences you saw between yourself and them. Because I don’t see any.

Now, these institutions, name me some, please. Let’s start with marriage. Do you defend one man, one woman, until death do they part?

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 8:47 pm
What we can expect if the con job by Gillard works:

Tax and spend in Connecticut has failed

As Congress considers massive tax hikes to fix the U.S. deficit, the state of Connecticut is worth a look. There, a similar strategy is failing epically.

Governor Dannel Malloy’s budget chief told the state legislature on Wednesday that Connecticut was facing a $365 million deficit for this fiscal year. That’s nearly twice as big as the $205 million estimate released last week by the Office of Fiscal Analysis and the Office of Policy and Management. And it’s more than six times what Governor Malloy, a Democrat, had estimated before the election.

If you think that discrepancy is suspicious, you’re not alone. And consider this: Democrats, who hold the majority in both houses of the state legislature, voted to postpone the release of the fall consensus revenue forecasts, which revealed Connecticut’s rather ugly fiscal picture, until after November 6. Democrats say the delay was in order to give a more complete financial picture; Republicans say it was a political ploy. Come Election Day, Republicans failed to gain additional seats in either chamber of the legislature.

That’s a pity, because Republican lawmakers have correctly identified the problem: Connecticut has consistently spent too much, and then tried to fix the budget shortfall by raising taxes.

Token

17 Nov 12 at 8:49 pm
I love fly swatting fat boy. It’s the best game in town.

Monst.. You’re an institutionalist.

Defend traditional marriage.

Go!

Not too fast as you don’t want to run a fast heart rate in your condition.

JC

17 Nov 12 at 8:50 pm
Franco was an institutionalist.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 8:53 pm
As was Pinochet

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 8:57 pm
Great men…imho obviously.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 8:58 pm
Pinochet: Hispanics we need more of.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 8:58 pm
Pinochet was a low-tax fascist too, if memory serves.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 8:59 pm
Pinochet: Hispanics we need more of.

lolz, they knew how to deal with leftists.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 9:01 pm
More details coming out now the election is out of the way. The real effect of Obamacare:

Darden Restaurants, the Florida-based parent company of Olive Garden, LongHorn Steakhouse, Red Lobster, and other chains, was a member of the Obamacare waiver early-bird special. Their get-out-of-Obamacare card helped spare the company’s health-insurance benefits for nearly 34,000 employees. Breathing a sigh of relief that it would allow chains to continue offering all employees access to affordable health insurance, Darden said in a statement in the fall of 2010 that “the waiver allows us to continue to do that as the various phases of the health care law are implemented.”

Fast-forward to 2012. Darden announced last month that it would begin shifting full-time workers to part-time status to save money, cut health costs, and circumvent Obamacare’s coverage mandate scheduled for full implementation in 2014. The move would reduce full-time employees’ hours to less than 30 hours a week; part-time workers are exempt from the insurance mandate. McDonald’s, another big Obamacare-waiver recipient, is considering the same move.

Token

17 Nov 12 at 9:01 pm
BTW, still listening to ’100 Must Have Movie Classics’. Up to track 59 – Symphony No.40 in G minor: I Molto Allegro (from “The Living Daylights”).

Discovered that Ennio Morricone used part of ‘The Thieving Magpie” for the baby swapping scene in ‘Once Upon a Time in America’ but it’s not on the movie’s soundtrack CD.

Septimus

17 Nov 12 at 9:01 pm
Not sure if he can strictly be classed fascist, but he was an institutionalist, that’s for sure.

What about you m0nt, whose your favourite institutionalist? Who’s your isntitutionalist role model?

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 9:02 pm
Hey m0nt, the institution is marriage, what have you been doing lately to defend it?

The institution of marriage has been used by a lot of men to commit a lot of evil acts over the millennia. You won’t get any argument from me that the power balance has gone a bit too far the other way in recent times, but there was always going to be a backlash once the implications of women’s suffrage were fully realised.

I do not support recalcitrants who think marriage laws should go back to what they were pre-Whitlam. That mode of thinking is dead. The institution of marriage has been evolving quickly since the 1960s into something that is more equitable and mutually respectful. We’re not there yet.

I also do not have much sympathy for those who apply their prejudice against same sex couples on this issue. Wailings that SSM will destroy a sacred cornerstone of society are wrong, pitiful, and should be scorned. This is especially pitiful on a libertarian site, because many of the changes in marriage and divorce laws have been to the benefit of the liberty of both sides.

You lot around here talk constantly about beta males, but only a beta male would have so little faith in his own ability to live in an equal marriage that he would require the laws to be slanted to his side.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 9:03 pm
Not sure if he can strictly be classed fascist

Didn’t Pinochet introduce ultra-Thatherite economic policy?

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 9:05 pm
What about you m0nt, whose your favourite institutionalist? Who’s your isntitutionalist role model?

I am telling you what I believe. I didn’t get indoctrinated into my position from reading books. It comes from learned experience. I wouldn’t even know which philosophers I’m aligned with, if any.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 9:07 pm
Pity this RC doesn’t cover NZ too, might give a ” outside the box view.

While James Parker, now facing a further 23 new charges of sexual offending against boys on top of the 49 he has already admitted was protected in his offending by the NZEI union rep who vilified and bullied the former principal into silence:

At WOBH

jumpnmcar

17 Nov 12 at 9:08 pm
I wouldn’t even know which philosophers I’m aligned with, if any.

Perhaps you could claim Jessica Irvine?

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 9:09 pm
Is “institutionalism” even a thing? Isn’t Monty just a run of the mill social-democrat?

From Monty’s description, an institutionalist is just someone who likes state-provided services. That doesn’t really qualify as a philosophy.

Mont, what do you think of my idea of nationalizing fantasy football?

Dangph

17 Nov 12 at 9:11 pm
NZEI union rep who vilified and bullied the former principal

Yep union reps specialty..no matter who gets hurt.

max49

17 Nov 12 at 9:12 pm
Geez I dunno Dangph, what do you think of my idea of throwing anyone with a lolcat as an avatar in gaol for life?

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 9:14 pm
Perhaps you could claim Jessica Irvine?

That’s good. Also Mike Carlton.

Dangph

17 Nov 12 at 9:15 pm
This is especially pitiful on a libertarian site,

What is? Questions?

I haven’t asserted anything, you have inferred much.

I detect a problem, m0nt: “The institution of marriage has been evolving…into something that is more equitable and mutually respectful. We’re not there yet.”

Ah, so institutions, the ones you defend, can also evolve, into something more suitable to your way of thinking.

Right, so you’re not an institutionalist at all, are you. Just like you’re not a constitutionalist. The constitution, like institutions, should evolve, into something more “equitable”, something “mutually respectful”, meaning what you find mutually acceptable to yourself.

Ok, so at last we see what you mean by being an “institutionalist”: it means the long march through the institutions to claim them for yourself.

Now we just need you to admit that your method for doing so, is by replacing that very society that created the institutions that you have redefined to accommodate your morality, to your satisfaction.

beta males m0nt? I find that term inequitable, disrespectful, insulting, and, just so sexist.

btw, the other day you said this site was a neocon site, which is it?

Allright, too many questions. Let’s just get to your methodology for reinterpreting the institutions you pretend to defend. Why is it “dog whistling” to defend institutions, m0nt?

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 9:17 pm
That’s good. Also Mike Carlton.

Inside every economist I see a sub-100 IQ investment banker trying to break out.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 9:21 pm
I hate free markets because i dont give a stuff about the global economy. I dont live there. I care about the domestic economy because the best contribution we can make to the global economy is if the domestic economy is doing well

Similarly, the best contribution to the domestic economy we can make is when individual citizens and businesses are doing well i.e. low taxes, minimal red tape and access to global as well as domestic markets.

John Mc

17 Nov 12 at 9:25 pm
Inside every economist I see a sub-100 IQ investment banker trying to break out.

Hmmm . . . what say you Sinc? Fair comment?

Septimus

17 Nov 12 at 9:25 pm
m0nt, when you say “dog whistling”, are you calling me and mine dogs?

Equitable minds want to know.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 9:31 pm
I’ve had it out with Sinclair a few times on this blog if you care to look it up. It’s not as if we’re hiding anything.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 9:32 pm
This is especially pitiful on a libertarian site, because many of the changes in marriage and divorce laws have been to the benefit of the liberty of both sides.

In fact, the degradation of marriage by ‘progressives’ is the single biggest cause of familial breakups, single parent ‘families,’ skyrocketing welfarism, inter-generational dole dependence and marching statism.

yet more historiographical bungling from Monty. He is to historical analysis what Sir Robert Helpmann was to oxy-welding.

C.L.

17 Nov 12 at 9:34 pm
Right, so you’re not an institutionalist at all, are you. Just like you’re not a constitutionalist.

To be a constitutionalist is to believe in upholding the constitution, subject to amendments and interpretations which are prudent and reflect society’s changing values. The constitution should not be a weapon with which to subjugate a people in adherence to the values of people dead for hundreds of years.

To be an institutionalist is not to uphold institutions as the end point of society, blind to the passage of time or the people who pass through. Institutions can fall of their own accord if they are not strengthened from outside by proper oversight and rigorous protection from corruption. Institutions serve the people, not the other way around.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 9:34 pm
m0nt, when you say “dog whistling”, are you calling me and mine dogs?

Equitable minds want to know.

Of course not, Pat.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 9:36 pm
In fact, the degradation of marriage by ‘progressives’ is the single biggest cause of familial breakups, single parent ‘families,’ skyrocketing welfarism, inter-generational dole dependence and marching statism.

No CL, the single biggest cause of familial breakups is that the parents don’t love each other any more. Marriage is no longer a way for one side to lock the other into a loveless life. This is a good thing.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 9:39 pm
To be a constitutionalist is to believe in upholding the constitution, subject to amendments and interpretations which are prudent and reflect society’s changing values.

Right, exactly what I said at the outset. You want to replace society so that traditional institutions, and their constitutions, can be changed.

The constitution should not be a weapon with which to subjugate a people…

Agree, as I also said, constitutions reflect the very people who created them. You want to re-create the people, so as to impose the constitution that reflects your superiority complex. Anyone who objects to your replacing them, so as to impose your moral will, is “dog whistling”.

To be an institutionalist is not to uphold institutions as the end point of society, …

Now you’re contradicting yourself. I argued to you that culture, institutions, are the formalising of a people’s practice. I gave you the Adam Smith example. You were the one who refused to accept that society has any say in what their institutions should be.

You are the one who has been calling anyone who argues for the society who creates the institution, a “dog whistler”.

Try again, m0nt.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 9:41 pm
Of course not, Pat.

Then why do you use the term?

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 9:43 pm
Septimus. One of the kids (!) pointed me at – of all things – a Delta Goodrem song (Wish you were here). Now, not a fan of this singer personally… but on this one I have to make a clear exception. The emotional depth is extraordinary – it’s a memoriam for a dead friend.

Anyhoo, just about to cop a flogging from the storms, so have to shut down. Might put Gettysberg on. Good movie for a storm.

Mk50 of Brisbane

17 Nov 12 at 9:45 pm
Are you married Monty?

Dan

17 Nov 12 at 9:50 pm
You want to replace society so that traditional institutions, and their constitutions, can be changed.

Not at all. We can not turn off the spigot of immigration, and it is going to keep changing the country as more cultures are added to the melting pot. Plus, mainstream society continues to change at its own pace. These things are not imposed from outside the system, Pat. They are fundamental to who we are.

It would be wrong to limit these natural changes according to what a bunch of old white blokes wrote down in 1901. We respect the vast majority of what they said and live by their tenets, sure, but in some cases we move past those values. This is nothing to be afraid of.

I argued to you that culture, institutions, are the formalising of a people’s practice. I gave you the Adam Smith example. You were the one who refused to accept that society has any say in what their institutions should be.

You are now verballing me, Pat. I didn’t say that. See above.

Then why do you use the term?

Your argument was, as I understood it, that the White Australia policy maintained a certain kind of Australia, but you’re worried about the current mix of immigrants being the wrong kind, because they are welfare moochers and sharia law adherents, or something. What’s your solution then, Pat? A return to the White Australia policy? That seemed to be the logical conclusion to the line you were running.

That is the sort of thing that often gets called dog whistling, because although you are careful not to overtly call for the WAP, that seems to be your actual agenda.

Maybe I got your argument wrong, and now I’m verballing you. Please feel free to state your solution to the problem you see in immigration in Australia at the moment, because your posts contained a lot of passive language but not a lot of solutions.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 9:58 pm
Are you married Monty?

No.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 9:59 pm
We can not turn off the spigot of immigration,…

Why not?

I got a tap in the kitchen. When I lift the nozzle out pours water, when I close it down, so does the water.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 10:00 pm
Why not?

I got a tap in the kitchen. When I lift the nozzle out pours water, when I close it down, so does the water.

We live in the real world, Pat. No free nation can close its borders to immigration and still claim to be free.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 10:02 pm
We can not turn off the spigot of immigration,…

You’re a fuckwit.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 10:02 pm
It’s a reasonable question m0nt. You answer it and I will get to the things you like to infer about me.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 10:03 pm
No free nation can close its borders to immigration and still claim to be free.

lol, Japan, cough, cough, Japan!…

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 10:03 pm
We live in the real world, Pat. No free nation can close its borders to immigration and still claim to be free.

That’s not an answer.

Immigration policy is a function of government.

Now, answer me, why can’t the “spigot of immigration” be turned off?

Did Bob Brown tell you that that would be against his one world government? Don’t answer that. Just tell me why immigration policy cannot be controlled by our government.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 10:05 pm
I hate free markets because i dont give a stuff about the global economy. I dont live there.

Yes you do. Australian wages are high largely in part because of foreign direct investment. Government coffers burgeon at the will of global commodity markets.

.

17 Nov 12 at 10:07 pm
Here’s something while the Jeopardy music plays in the background: The Oz govt dictated immigration policy from federation till the 1970s. How did they do that?

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 10:08 pm
Immigration policy is a function of government

Exactly. If, a nation has no immigration policy, it is still a policy.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 10:09 pm
It’s a reasonable question m0nt.

Not on this blog it ain’t! Libertarians around here tend not to like isolationists. That’s Ron Paul territory.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 10:10 pm
Nevertheless, we shouldn’t end immigration. It should be almost open slather. I’m of course happy when the AFP pick up Tamil terrorists etc and send them back home for brutal yet fair punishment.

This country lacks economies of scale. It’s part of the reason why we get cornholed on retail.

Tian and Shan (1998) (AEHR) studied the impacts of immigration. Ignoring the tax base, immigration increased specialisation to the extent that every extra migrant created more than one job and the effect on housing was to reduce commodity prices/inputs by more than enough to counteract the impact on land supply.

Australian property prices are high of course because we have taxes on property development at an effective rate approaching 85%.

.

17 Nov 12 at 10:12 pm
Not on this blog it ain’t! Libertarians around here tend not to like isolationists. That’s Ron Paul territory.

Bzzzzt!

The libertarians aren’t coming to your rescue.

Try again.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 10:14 pm
You seem to be out of your intellectual league m0nt.

Maybe the ABC has a special needs blog?

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 10:15 pm
Not on this blog it ain’t! Libertarians around here tend not to like isolationists. That’s Ron Paul territory.

Since when was Ron Paul against immigration?

He is for uncapped immigration, just not totally free immigration between the US and Mexico as States would have. He is against welfare for illegals and the granting of amnesty.

Hardly isolationist, with or without considering his positions on open trade and investment.

.

17 Nov 12 at 10:16 pm
Just tell me why immigration policy cannot be controlled by our government.

You’re just twisting my words again Pat, I never said that. Governments can twist the tap this way and that, but shutting it off entirely is not an option – unless you physically have no room left, like Japan. We have signed international conventions which uphold rights of refugees.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 10:17 pm
Even Japan is having to (slowly) adjust its immigration policy:

http://latitude.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/the-new-japanese-worker-is-chinese/

Among Japan’s small foreign population, there are now more Chinese — 674,879 as of last year, according to Japanese government data — than people from any other country. That’s about 10 times as many Chinese as were here in 1984, according to the Ministry of Justice.

Chris

17 Nov 12 at 10:19 pm
ATT:

Pat Hannagan,

Did you see that fight when Ali tarred Floyd Patterson?

Some consider it his greatest bout. Personally I just wanted him to deliver the coup de grace.

Anyhow, I’m sure you get my point.

Sincerely,

Greg.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 10:23 pm
We have signed international conventions which uphold rights of refugees.

Who’s this “we” m0nt, that signed over our immigration policy to a one world government?

Immigration policy is more than “refugees”, btw, m0nt.

Btw, btw, I didn’t twist your words, you said “We can not turn off the spigot of immigration”.

You keep referring to this “we”. I don’t know whom you mean by it.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 10:23 pm
Japan is facing crumbling and economic decline due to demographics. As will China for following neo-Malthusian policies.

Governments can twist the tap this way and that, but shutting it off entirely is not an option – unless you physically have no room left, like Japan.

There are vast stretches of Japan that are uninhabited. They choose to live cities.

.

17 Nov 12 at 10:25 pm
Symbol, or whatever your name is, m0nt and you are in furious agreement on the subject of immigration.

As I said to m0nt at the outset, I fail to see what the problem is he has with neocons.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 10:27 pm
News Flash for Munty

The Federal grubbermint could repudiate the Refugee Convention tomorrow (or whenever Parliament it’s next). Like all other international conventions it’s binding only for so long as we want to be bound.

Cato the Elder

17 Nov 12 at 10:27 pm
Who’s this “we” m0nt, that signed over our immigration policy to a one world government?

That’s crazy talk. Now you make me wonder why I’m indulging you in conversation.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 10:30 pm
Symbol, or whatever your name is…

I bet Japan

wins

long term.

But you don’t give a shit about that.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 10:30 pm
Now you make me wonder why I’m indulging you in conversation

lol, yes remember the referendum of ’83.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 10:32 pm
That’s crazy talk. Now you make me wonder why I’m indulging you in conversation

What? You lost me.

You just said that we can’t stop immigration because we signed conventions with the UN.

So, we don’t have national sovereignty then, right? One world government, right?

The UN now determines our immigration policy, because we signed away ownership, forever and in eternity, and no government may ever rip up the covenant, right?

I understand words m0nt, you don’t even understand your own. And you call me crazy!? mwahahahaha

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 10:33 pm
Are you married Monty?

No.

Lol…that’s not the question to ask unless you thought he’s married and hadn’t consummated the marriage.

Monsteras possible I suppose. But extremely unlikely.

Monst is still a virgin.

JC

17 Nov 12 at 10:36 pm
That’s crazy talk. Now you make me wonder why I’m indulging you in conversation

What? You lost me.

Remember St. Mumble said we are governed by managers not leaders.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 10:37 pm
Damn iPad

That’s possible ….

JC

17 Nov 12 at 10:37 pm
There are vast stretches of Japan that are uninhabited. They choose to live cities.

True, but the country is 15% larger than the states of Victoria and Tasmania combined, with 20 times the population. They are packed in.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 10:38 pm
Symbol, or whatever your name is…

I bet Japan
wins
long term.

But you don’t give a shit about that.

They win by destroying their population base? Right.

You realise they’ve basically been in a 20 year recession?

They’ve imploded.

Symbol, or whatever your name is, m0nt and you are in furious agreement on the subject of immigration.

No. I don’t view refugees as a resource to stack ALP branches and preselection.

Anyway. As the Tamils are being smashed for their terrorism etc, the British handled immigration here by dispensing justice. There were plenty of Fenian terrorists Her Majesty stopped in their tracks by snapping their necks. After due process of course.

Because justice was dispensed in the most part without fear or favour, after the dictatorial powers of the early Governors ceased, colonial Australia was peaceful, free and rich to boot.

.

17 Nov 12 at 10:38 pm
The UN now determines our immigration policy, because we signed away ownership, forever and in eternity, and no government may ever rip up the covenant, right?

The US sort of believes it – so they never enter into treaties that give away too much power.

Think of those who have suffered at the edicts issued under the external affairs power.

It is embedded in the judicial system now.

.

17 Nov 12 at 10:40 pm
lolz, the Wall Street Journal Crowd love pointing their fingers at the Japs.

They win by destroying their population base?

I guess trying to import a ‘population base’ is a better idea?

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 10:42 pm
You just said that we can’t stop immigration because we signed conventions with the UN.

So, we don’t have national sovereignty then, right? One world government, right?

We signed those treaties for a reason, Pat. As a nation, we have compassion for the plight of refugees. Australia would be an international pariah if it repudiated that commitment. You may think that doesn’t matter, but you’re on your Pat Malone there (notwithstanding your fellow wingnuts on this blog).

You shouldn’t need this explained to you, if you are an educated adult.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 10:42 pm
s …a nation, we have compassion for the plight of refugees.

Let them do freestyle.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 10:51 pm
lolz, the Wall Street Journal Crowd love pointing their fingers at the Japs.

They win by destroying their population base?

I guess trying to import a ‘population base’ is a better idea?

You are out of touch with reality. Their economy is fucked. They have a whole young generation with chronic unemployment. It’s not like 20% youth unemployment on the Gold Coast. It’s nationwide.

They didn’t grow in population and to an extent it is too late to use immigration.

It is bizzare you have a problem with immigration. We’ve been using it since 1788.

.

17 Nov 12 at 10:53 pm
I repeat, who’s this “we” m0nt?

Don’t load your “argument” up with a whole load of emotion (compassion, plight, pariah), just state the fact that we can, in point of fact, determine our immigration policy.

As pointed out, no immigration policy *is* an immigration policy.

Admit that we can restrict or open our borders, if we should please to do one or the other.

Then, we can move on to why you choose to call me a dog for my position on immigration policy.

Btw, you were complaining about insults before. Yet you are free and easy with your own. m0nt, let us just be consistent, at least we can agree to agree on that much, surely?

(but then you’d have no “argument” to post)

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 10:54 pm
Times up for you Libertard.

The real world has caught up.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 10:54 pm
We have signed international conventions which uphold rights of refugees.

Says M0nty who clearly has not read any of them. None of those conventions (which are all out of date, now act to encourage ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, and from which Australia should withdraw) requires a country to allow refugees to settle there. The key obligation is non-refoulement. That’s it.

CC

17 Nov 12 at 10:55 pm
s …a nation, we have compassion for the plight of refugees.

Let them do freestyle.

What does this even mean?

.

17 Nov 12 at 10:56 pm
Times up for you Libertard.

The real world has caught up.

Again, what does this even mean?

1. Japan’s economic performance is to be admired and copied?

2. Immigration is intrinsically bad?

3. People who might come from repressive shitholes can’t have their case heard in a free country?

Reality is that policy is much more in favour of my ideal.

Since your view has been repudiated, Australian economic performance and crime rates have improved vastly.

.

17 Nov 12 at 10:58 pm
What does this even mean?

If your IQ was 100+ you might get it…dude.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 10:58 pm
Since your view has been repudiated, Australian economic performance and crime rates have improved vastly.

You didn’t read that PDF on the insurance CfD’s I sent you?

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 11:02 pm
Just answer the questions and admit the failure of your preferred policy so undesirable no one in any political part bar One Nation, AAFI or the APP will listen to you.

Closed borders have failed socially, economically and as a way to create peaceful, liberal democratic, law abiding societies.

Ah yes but I’m a retard.

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:02 pm
We signed those treaties for a reason, Pat. As a nation, we have compassion for the plight of refugees. Australia would be an international pariah if it repudiated that commitment.

Japan has taken in ~500 refugees in the last 25 years, is it an international pariah? I don’t think so. Of course Japan gives generously in aid to help displaced people overseas.

It is not necessary to be a signatory to the UN’s refugee convention for us to help refugees. We should abandon the UN convention and help refugees at our own discretion, resettling only those refugees who are broadly compatible with our culture and our values.

Andreas

17 Nov 12 at 11:02 pm
Admit that we can restrict or open our borders, if we should please to do one or the other.

No, we can’t do that in the physical world of realpolitik, as I explained. You are refusing to take reality into account when formulating your views. Not an uncommon occurrence around here, mind you.

I did not call you a dog. I specifically stated that I did not. Please do not argue in bad faith.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 11:03 pm
You’re anti-Asian.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 11:05 pm
Spot on Andreas

max49

17 Nov 12 at 11:06 pm
Since your view has been repudiated, Australian economic performance and crime rates have improved vastly.

You didn’t read that PDF on the insurance CfD’s I sent you?

You fucking childish idiot. You don’t even know what the metrics are and you make some stupid slur about open immigration being some sort of financial scam.

You are too stupid or conceited to even know the background information on economics and social statistics and then have the goddamned temerity to start brow beating your interlocutors with jibes about their IQ or mental capacity.

Fuckwit.

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:06 pm
Bring it tool.

My bank balance says I win.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 11:07 pm
Well Greg P then virtually everyone on this blog is wrong unless JC says so.

I can live with that.

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:14 pm
Monty and Jarrah and Dot have never lived in close proximity to Lakemba, nor gone to school in Auburn.

It is Western Culture that created the magnificence of the Western World and modern life. Nowhere is Western Culture allowed to flourish as the official culture of the nation. Every Western country has multi culturalism as it’s official culture.

One shouldn’t be surprised by growing corruption if you make your culture equal, or in fact subservient, to the backward arse corrupt cultures of the world.

The terrible truth is that the West is dying quite quickly. Freedom, open markets and democracy will die with Western Culture, because all these things are the products of Western Culture.

There is no reason why people who are non whites can’t embrace and succeed in a Western Culture. This is not about skin colour or race, but about shared beliefs that bind societies together – which is the definition of culture anyway.

The Left has always hated Western Culture, because the Left hates freedom, markets and democracy. It has always tried to overthrow Western Culture through revolution. Until Left Wing parties found that they could use immigration to overthrow Western Culture. I suspect it is too late in Australia as well.

Well over 20% of Federal Seats are dominated by people who speak a language other than English at home. These electorates, bar two, are ALP strongholds – regardless of wealth or other factors. As this group of electorates grows, the chances of anyone other than the ALP winning elections recedes. Welcome to the one party, tribal state. That is where we are headed unless immigration is fundamentally reformed to put the national interest ahead of Political Correctness and Left Wing politics.

John Comnenus

17 Nov 12 at 11:14 pm
My customer baser is HNWI.

Keeps me humble.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 11:18 pm
We signed those treaties for a reason, Pat. As a nation, we have compassion for the plight of refugees. Australia would be an international pariah if it repudiated that commitment.

Israel, basically.

“Never forget” mightn’t have such a strong meaning if Jewish refugees were accepted with greater acceptance.

I don’t see how you can be generally pro Israel and against a general agreement to take on refugees, given the history.

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:19 pm
the physical world of realpolitik

Jesus.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 11:20 pm
Wept.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 11:21 pm
I don’t see how you can be generally pro Israel and against a general agreement to take on refugees, given the history.

Who are you addressing?

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 11:22 pm
the physical world of realpolitik

Jesus.

Wept.

Henry, Kissinger, raised a smirk.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 11:24 pm
Well over 20% of Federal Seats are dominated by people who speak a language other than English at home. These electorates, bar two, are ALP strongholds – regardless of wealth or other factors. As this group of electorates grows, the chances of anyone other than the ALP winning elections recedes. Welcome to the one party, tribal state. That is where we are headed unless immigration is fundamentally reformed to put the national interest ahead of Political Correctness and Left Wing politics.

Gillard has been 38:62 vs Abbot 2PP and under such a vote, she’d lose roughly 120:30 seats.

The remaining ALP seats would be largely Anglo Celtic, like the PM’s own seat, Rudd’s seat or Pilbersek or Albanese’s seat.

I’m pretty sure that Tony Burke would lose the seat for the Division of Watson with a swing a touch above 9%.

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:24 pm
Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 11:24 pm
I don’t see how you can be generally pro Israel and against a general agreement to take on refugees, given the history.

Who are you addressing?

Everyone. Take it or leave it. More to the point, I don’t get how you can be pro immigration and pro refugee and support the Hamas death cult against liberal, democratic Israel.

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:25 pm
A continuous history of unbroken residence ended when Israel evacuated the last Jews from Gaza. Nowhere in the Arab world do Jews have the right to live as free people. In Israel, Arabs enjoy full rights. It is the Arabs who run an apartheid star and it is the Arabs that have genocided Jews.

John Comnenus

17 Nov 12 at 11:25 pm
It is bizzare you have a problem with immigration. We’ve been using it since 1788.

Here we go again!

For the record, I’m in favour of immigration, as has been our policy from 1788 to 1970. Immigration, that is.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 11:27 pm
Everyone. Take it or leave it. More to the point, I don’t get how you can be pro immigration and pro refugee and support the Hamas death cult against liberal, democratic Israel.

What? How did we get onto this?

If we were an immigration nation, like we were from 1788 to 1970, we wouldn’t even care about that subject. It would be none of our (“we” for m0nty) business.

Please, dear Lord, let us not discuss our immigration policy without reference to Jews and Palestinians, just this once? I beseech thee!

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 11:30 pm
Correction: “let us discuss our immigration policy without reference to Jews and Palestinians”

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 11:32 pm
Yes John. There are also Arab Israelis who serve voluntarily in the IDF in the Caracal regiment. They seem to get the hot Israeli babes to serve with them.

Obviously Arab Israelis are better off.

When you see a funeral for a terrorist, I wonder how much of it is supported genuinely, and how much is manufactured by the fear of Hamas retaliation for not playing the part of a mourner.

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:33 pm
For the record, I’m in favour of immigration, as has been our policy from 1788 to 1970. Immigration, that is.

Good that you have not obfuscated immigration and refugees like monty.

Please tell us how colonial immigration was restricted.

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:34 pm
Crikey! Can’t we just discuss our own immigration policy without getting involved with those idiots in the Mid-East?

Symbol, are you a Jew?

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 11:35 pm
The middle-east bores me to tears.

Except when I have to talk to that young blonde analysts n the grey dress, but that’s a story for another time…

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 11:35 pm
What? How did we get onto this?

Someone mentioned the refugee convention. I understand the earliest form of it arose out of the reaction to the holocaust.

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:36 pm
Please tell us how colonial immigration was restricted.

It was restricted to the British colonies. Those that were White, that is.

(whistle, here boy, good dog)

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 11:37 pm
There are also Arab Israelis who serve voluntarily in the IDF in the Caracal regiment.

There are also seventeen Arab Israelis members of the Knesset. Just sayin’..

Gab

17 Nov 12 at 11:37 pm
Symbol, are you a Jew?

Good question.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 11:37 pm
Symbol, are you a Jew?

No. Blown up any Fish and Chip shops?

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:37 pm
Please tell us how colonial immigration was restricted.

It was restricted to the British colonies. Those that were White, that is.

(whistle, here boy, good dog)

China was white and ruled by the British.

Now I’ve heard it all.

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:38 pm
What holocaust? You mean the Katyn massacre? Or the Holodomor? Or the bombing of Dresden?

Can’t we just get back to skewering m0nty?

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 11:39 pm
Symbol, are you a Jew?

Good question.

Greg P.
17 Nov 12 at 11:37 pm

Fuck off you hideous person.

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:39 pm
lol, bring it fuck head.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 11:41 pm
Mk50 @ 9.45pm

Delta Goodrem song (Wish you were here)

I watched and listened on Youtube, then looked up the lyrics. A moving song performed very nicely. Delta Goodrem is quite talented – our two daughters are fans – might buy them the album with this song for Xmas if they don’t already have it.

Thanks.

Septimus

17 Nov 12 at 11:41 pm
For the record, I’m in favour of immigration, as has been our policy from 1788 to 1970.

Someone’s mourning the death of the White Australia Policy, eh?

Gab

17 Nov 12 at 11:41 pm
Though the Jews I know wold probably chuck you in the river.

Ask them if you want proof…

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 11:42 pm
Can’t we just get back to skewering m0nty?

monty has been skewered longer than Edward II or Captain Cook.

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:45 pm
China was white and ruled by the British.

Sorry, my mistake, you were asking about all the colonies and their immigration policies.

What’s your question? Please tell us how colonial immigration was restricted.?

It was restricted in the colony Australia to White people, of British ancestry. Does this answer your question?

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 11:46 pm
Though the Jews I know wold probably chuck you in the river.

Ask them if you want proof…

lol, bring it fuck head.

Looks like you “brung it” yourself.

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:47 pm
Ask me anything dot.

Just not financial advice, people pay good money for that.

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 11:49 pm
What’s your question? Please tell us how colonial immigration was restricted.?

It was restricted in the colony Australia to White people, of British ancestry. Does this answer your question?

No.

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:50 pm
Is this what the Cat used to be like in the bad old days? Yeesh.

m0nty

17 Nov 12 at 11:50 pm
Where is this going, we had m0nty on the rack, stretched out and waiting for the coup de grâce, and now we’re arguing about the IsraeliPali thing?

If we’re gonna move onto that subject, then let’s at least clear up the premises of the argument.

What’s your point Symbol?

(Damn, I feel so dissappointed that m0nt got away just as we had him squirming. Damn those IsraeliPalis to hell!)

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 11:54 pm
m0nty’s error here is in failing to see that corruption is a product of weak constitutional design.

As much as you might want particular arrangements, power will always attract the corrupt. If an institution is to be granted power, let there be no wishful thinking about its continued integrity.

But I take issue with John. Multiculturalism is not at fault here. We had corruption prior to its adoption and after it. Our union movement, which is presently quite corrupt, is a very much a product of Western civilization. For the record, yes, I have lived in Auburn in the past and have seen what it’s like there.

I regard choice as the best mechanism for removing corruption. It should simply be walked away from.

So I support FOCJ. Muslims or anyone else are entitled to have their own culture but cultures must be accountable.

2dogs

17 Nov 12 at 11:54 pm
No.

Jesus, you’re worse than m0nt.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 11:55 pm
Ask me anything dot.

Just not financial advice, people pay good money for that.

Why is it a “good question” to ask if someone is a Jew, Greg P?

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:57 pm
No.

Jesus, you’re worse than m0nt.

There was no non white immigration to Australia in colonial times?

.

17 Nov 12 at 11:58 pm
Do you want me to prove it?

Greg P.

17 Nov 12 at 11:59 pm
Funny thing is, 2dogs, m0nty argued against White South Africans and Irish playing for England, as he felt it isn’t reflective of the “English national setup”.

He’s a confused boy is our m0nt.

Pat Hannagan

17 Nov 12 at 11:59 pm
There was no non white immigration to Australia in colonial times?

Not from federation.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 12:00 am
There was plenty of non white immigration to Australia in colonial times. Ever heard of the Chinese or Kanakas?

I believe there were a couple of Chinese and a black African on the First Fleet.

John Comnenus

18 Nov 12 at 12:02 am
Is convict servitude now classified as immigration?

Right, I see.

I was joking about that earlier, but you really do classify that as immigration.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 12:04 am
Don’t cross the streams, Pat.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 12:04 am
You got away m0nt, and now the libertarians are going with your argument. Proving me right, in the first instance:

The motives are different, but the result is the same.

Please, just admit this, for my sanity’s sake!

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 12:06 am
John, fwiw, I liked this comment of yours: http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/11/17/open-forum-november-17-2012/comment-page-8/#comment-643544

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 12:08 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp3kcHchD1Y

Greg P.

18 Nov 12 at 12:08 am
I told you the libertarians around here wouldn’t like closing borders, Pat!

I’ll be the first to admit that my belief system, if it is coherent enough to qualify as such, has elements of progressivism and conservatism. In short, I want to conserve institutions as the process by which we progress. That may not make sense to many on here, but it does to me.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 12:14 am
Everyone. Take it or leave it. More to the point, I don’t get how you can be pro immigration and pro refugee and support the Hamas death cult against liberal, democratic Israel.

I’m not pro immigration, and I’m not pro refugee, and I’m not pro Hamas, and I’m not pro Israel.

I’m pro me and mine.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 12:15 am
I told you the libertarians around here wouldn’t like closing borders, Pat!

Yes, I know that.

Oh well, it was good while it lasted.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 12:17 am
Why is it a “good question” to ask if someone is a Jew, Greg P?

I asked it because of your slanted statement support the Hamas death cult against liberal, democratic Israel.

I mean, you really loaded that one up, didn’t you.

I support the death cult! I oppose liberal, democratic !

Was just trying to clear the air so we could speak honestly, with all our cards on the table.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 12:21 am
There was no non white immigration to Australia in colonial times?

Not from federation.

Pat Hannagan
18 Nov 12 at 12:00 am

There was plenty of non white immigration to Australia in colonial times. Ever heard of the Chinese or Kanakas?

I believe there were a couple of Chinese and a black African on the First Fleet.

John Comnenus
18 Nov 12 at 12:02 am

Is convict servitude now classified as immigration?

Right, I see.

I was joking about that earlier, but you really do classify that as immigration.

Pat Hannagan
18 Nov 12 at 12:04 am

Pat.

None of what you are saying is consistent and not much of it makes sense.

Australia was a peaceful and prosperous dominion until Federation, with virtually open slather with regards to immigration and foreign investment. The British only really cared about the exportation of gold.

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18 Nov 12 at 12:22 am
I asked it because of your slanted statement support the Hamas death cult against liberal, democratic Israel.

“Slanted statement”

Hamas is a death cult.

Fact

Israel is liberal and democratic.

Fact.

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18 Nov 12 at 12:24 am
I’m not pro immigration, and I’m not pro refugee, and I’m not pro Hamas, and I’m not pro Israel.

I’m pro me and mine.

No your not. You are prepared to sacrifice your well being for some non racist ideal of the White Australia policy.

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18 Nov 12 at 12:25 am
you’re…

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18 Nov 12 at 12:28 am
I have no problem with immigration, however I do have a problem with the current crop of refs and how the policy is administered.

From recent findings these people are still sucking on the welfare tit after 5 years.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 12:28 am
There was no non-White immigration to Oz since federation till approx the 70′s – fact.

Before that time we were a colony, and the majority immigration was British – i.e. White.

No inconsistency at all Symbol.

Australia was a peaceful and prosperous dominion until Federation

It had turmoil – Vinegar Hill for instance. Irish convict transportation was halted because the early colony was building up a tinderbox. See Robert Hughes’ “The Fatal Shore”.

Also read Watkin Tench’s journal for a description of the indigenous population’s “peaceful and prosperous dominion”.

Hamas is a death cult.

So was the IRA

Israel is liberal and democratic.

So was Britain.

I know which side I was on.

Not that I care for your people’s problems. If it wasn’t for immigration I wouldn’t care a fig for it.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 12:32 am
No your not

Yes, I am.

I love my people.

Please don’t dog whistle your anti-racist hate people againmt my people.

Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 12:34 am
againmt ?

I meant against.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 12:36 am
It’s smelling all very White Nationalism here tonight.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 12:36 am
Smells good hey, Gab.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 12:39 am
No. It’s putrid.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 12:42 am
Which part of White Nationalism do you find “putrid”, Gab?

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 12:45 am
Blown up any Fish and Chip shops, Pat?

I just want to know if you’re laying all of your cards on the table.

Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

No.

I agree JC and Gab.

We have had “right wing” commenters lately advocate “shooting kids on boats” and “asking someone if they are a Jew is a good question” and “Calling Hamas a terrorist organisation” is a “slanted” point of view.

Sometimes I wonder if they are left wing trolls bent on discrediting catallaxy, libertarians and libertarian leaning conservatives.

Before that time we were a colony, and the majority immigration was British – i.e. White.

No inconsistency at all Symbol.

Wrong, it was coincidence, not a policy.

Sinclair, Rabz – Greg P, Australia’s richest and most humble man (and thus always right) said the Jews he knew would throw me into the river (after telling me it might have been important I was Jewish).

Can you guys explain what this means?

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18 Nov 12 at 12:46 am
From recent findings these people are still sucking on the welfare tit after 5 years.

Remove access to welfare for recent arrivals – ten years at least.

Open borders.

United States of the Southern Hemisphere here we finally come.

twostix

18 Nov 12 at 12:50 am
Blown up any Fish and Chip shops, Pat?

No.

Blown up the King David Hotel, Symbol?

Hung any British soldiers from a tree, and booby trapped their cadavers? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sergeants_affair)

What’s good for the goose, is good for the gander. You say Irgun, I say IRA.

Not that I’m taking sides. It’s your problem, I just wish you’d leave me out of it.

“Calling Hamas a terrorist organisation” is a “slanted” point of view.

No, read it again. The way you phrased the false dichotomy was slanted. I’m not choosing sides. It’s none of my business. You just painted a picture of evil vs good by your choice of adjectives.

Hey, I don’t blame you. You are choosing your people over theirs. I’m with that. I’m a nationalist. I get it. Just, if you want to drag me into your ethnic squabble I would like some quid pro quo – grant me my ethnicity.

Wrong, it was coincidence, not a policy.

British policy with regards convict transportation to Oz was not coincidence, nor was the majority ethnic makeup of Britain at the time.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 12:54 am
From our gloriously optimistic past, before the nations’ potential was smothered by a pillow by the dead-inside socialists during the 20th century:

The West Australian, Oct 26, 1880:

” Sir W. Robinson took advantage of the opportunity of returning thanks to the toast of ‘The Governors of the Australian Colonies’ to refer in eulogistic terms to the results of the late explorations in Western Australia effected by Mr. Forrest.

He referred to the fact that not less than twenty millions of acres of the best pastoral country in the world were now open to Australian enterprise in the far North-west. Pointed attention was drawn to the circumstance that this fertile territory was offered to the public at 10s. an acre freehold, and at 10s. per thousand acres rental Sir W. Robinson expressed the hope, that the time was not far distant when the enterprising capitalists of Victoria would see fit to try their fortunes in this newly discovered Arcadia, where the best and most cordial reception awaited them. It is not unlikely that Sir W. Robinson will see his hopes realised at a very early date. We all re member how rapidly settlement followed in the wake of our explorers, .Burke and Wills, and in that of Landsborough.

Mr. Forrest’s account of his late explorations transcends anything met with by those named ; and, therefore, considering the limited area of Victoria, the surplus capital awaiting investment, and the energy and enterprise of young squatterdom, it is not likely that the fertile plains now first trodden by the white man will long remain untenanted. If it should happen that in the course of events the much-talked-of trans-continental railway from Adelaide to Port Darwin should become an accomplished fact, the possession of herds and flocks in the North-west would mean the possession of untold wealth for exportation three weeks or a month in advance of our own production in the same line. ‘In proportion as the unoccupied portions of Australia are taken up, so will the question of confederation advance, and its necessity become more fully recognised. There is no reason why Australia should not become the Great United States of the Southern Hemisphere, rivalling in wealth and population its elder sister of the North.

Yes, they had grand dreams in those pre-Labor days.

twostix

18 Nov 12 at 1:02 am
SteveC. Can’t be bothered to explain to you. Go and do law 101. Retards get it. You don’t

Tiny Dancer

18 Nov 12 at 1:02 am
No, read it again. The way you phrased the false dichotomy was slanted. I’m not choosing sides. It’s none of my business. You just painted a picture of evil vs good by your choice of adjectives.

Because it’s true.

Just, if you want to drag me into your ethnic squabble I would like some quid pro quo – grant me my ethnicity.

…I’m a white Catholic male. The freeing up of immigration and refugee movements since the Liberals ended the racist ALP policy has seen economic growth increase and has not denied anyone their ethnicity.

Wrong, it was coincidence, not a policy.

British policy with regards convict transportation to Oz was not coincidence, nor was the majority ethnic makeup of Britain at the time.

I am talking about immigration. The Chinese freely migrated here, as did Americans. No one brought up transportation until you wanted to continue your fantasy we had no non white immigration until the 1970s.

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18 Nov 12 at 1:06 am
SteveC. You are the same dickhead who a year ago was banging on about Obongo lowering the seas. Dickhead

Tiny Dancer

18 Nov 12 at 1:06 am
Dot,

Yes, convicted servitude is still migration. It was the snakeheads who sent Chinese out to the goldfields of Australia. Most couldn’t pay back the loans and stayed on. It was contractors that imported Afghans to build the Adelade to Darwin telegraph. If I am not mistaken convicted servitude was the way Australian immigration started.

John Comnenus

18 Nov 12 at 1:08 am
Yes John C but after transportation (or when it became insignificant) until Federation?

SA and WA were largely non penal colonies.

The number of immigrants in one year of the gold rush outnumbers the total of transportees – which made up only about 10% of the population at the time when transportation ended.

There was another 33 years before we Federated.

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18 Nov 12 at 1:14 am
Which part of White Nationalism do you find “putrid”, Gab?

Where do you want to start?

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18 Nov 12 at 1:15 am
Because it’s true.

If you say so, it must be then.

I’m a white Catholic male.

Sure fooled me.

As for the rest, as soon as you mention “racist” you lose me. Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

Look, mate, I support any nationalism. I support the Jews with Israel, and I support the Palestinians with Palestine.

China for the Chinese, Africa for the Africans, Tibet for the Tibetans, the Arabs can have theirs, so can the Persians, just leave me some place for mine.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 1:15 am
Remove access to welfare for recent arrivals – ten years at least.

Open borders.

United States of the Southern Hemisphere here we finally come.

Good call. During the height of the Siev X/refugee debate, compassionate luvvies showed they really were willing to take people in and feed them etc.

The fact of the matter if charity is far more efficient than the public sector. Church run schools are cheaper than state schools too. The Churches look after a lot of refugees. What we need to do is to allow people to donate to charity and look after the poor again. How Rudd tried to “stamp out” philanthropy was disgraceful.

Refugees need a safe place to go. Stuff like the Holocaust needs to be avoided again. However, they don’t have a claim to welfare.

The LDP policy is to make PR easy to get, but citizenship would take ten years. Immigrants would pay an immigration fee and welfare would be cut off for non citizens.

The selection bias problem JC mentions would be eliminated. You couldn’t really come for the wrong reasons anymore and people smugglers would be priced out of the market. It would also form an efficient poll tax that could fund other tax cuts.

I also strongly suspect the occupational licensing we have here is partly to blame.

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18 Nov 12 at 1:21 am
Where do you want to start?

White, or Nationalism, you choose.

You’ve already made it clear you are zealous with your support of Israel’s nationalism, so I conclude you don;t have any problems with nationalism.

That leaves White. What’s your problem with White?

Prove to me that I’m wrong that anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 1:22 am
Remove access to welfare for recent arrivals – ten years at least.

Open borders.

United States of the Southern Hemisphere here we finally come.

Yep , agree pretty much.

Which part of White Nationalism do you find “putrid”, Gab?

Pretty much all of it. It’s as putrid as those leftists and others calling every little thing wacist.

White nationalism is a form of collectivism and therefore as acidic as any form of leftism.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 1:26 am
Yes pat, what I said about Israel is correct.

The British colonised the Middle East. They had no right to do so. The Israelis were unfairly treated under the British apppointed Sheriffs.

In it’s dealings with Hamas (a terrorist organisation that commits to slaughtering Jews in its charter), Israel has been held to a much higher and near impossible standard.

Israel is not perfect but under the circumstances they are beyond reproach.

It is interesting (strange) that you think knowing why we have a refugee charter means someone probably is’t white, male or Catholic.

Anti-racist is not anti white. Was General Patton “anti white” when he forced Germans to view the atrocities in Dachau/Ordhuf?

China for the Chinese, Africa for the Africans, Tibet for the Tibetans, the Arabs can have theirs, so can the Persians, just leave me some place for mine.

I guess you believe in an extreme form of native title here and want to go back to a united Ireland then?

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18 Nov 12 at 1:28 am
You’ve already made it clear you are zealous with your support of Israel’s nationalism, so I conclude you don;t have any problems with nationalism.

Huh? WTF? How the flying fuck do you get from someone’s supporting the right for Israel to exist to “Israel’s nationalism”. You’re off your meds.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 1:29 am
There were no Israelis under the British.

So you’re justifying Zionist terror?

Scapula

18 Nov 12 at 1:30 am
You’ve already made it clear you are zealous with your support of Israel’s nationalism, so I conclude you don;t have any problems with nationalism.

No, their right to exist, which Hamas has sworn to annihlate. They exist now and there is no going back since 1948. Nor can we pretend Palestine doesn’t exist. Nationalism is dangerous. I support the wall but I think they should go back to their 1967 borders, and crush any militants without a second thought, with precision strikes, thus allowing real democracy to flourish in lebanon and palestine, and should avert Iran getting nuclear weapons.

Prove to me that I’m wrong that anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

I just did viz General Patton.

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18 Nov 12 at 1:32 am
There were no Israelis under the British.

So you’re justifying Zionist terror?

Bob… lol

JC

18 Nov 12 at 1:34 am
They are not going back to the 1967 borders as it would undo the whole ideology on which the country was founded.

Israel has no officially defined borders.

Scapula

18 Nov 12 at 1:34 am
Israel has no officially defined borders.

The Israeli press is filled with stories today how bibi is calling for the annexation of Long Island and the Sydney Northern beaches into the Israeli co-prosperity sphere. You’re fucked Bob.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 1:38 am
There were no Israelis under the British.

So you’re justifying Zionist terror?

Are you justifying the way the British liberated the Saudis but kept Palestine as a fiefdom?

Are you justifying the mistreatment they had under the Palestinian Sheriff?

The early Irish resistance to the British was justified in Australia too. As was the Eureka Stockade.

I don’t believe in colonialism or systematic oppression. You do, scapula. You’re a speechwriter for Bob Carr aren’t you? Ah, must be why he said that Dred Scott was a “great decision”.

Huh? WTF? How the flying fuck do you get from someone’s supporting the right for Israel to exist to “Israel’s nationalism”. You’re off your meds.

Exactly JC. I said Israel and Palestine both have a right to exist and I hope Israel beats Assad and Hamas militarily with minimal civilian casulties so there can be peace and Lebanon and Palestine too also see real democracy and live under freedom. Hopefully then Israel can end conscription.

To call that Israeli nationalism is truly unhinged.

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18 Nov 12 at 1:38 am
Prove to me that I’m wrong that anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

A Canadian professor of Indian (IIRC, but non-white) was taken to the Canadian courts on charges of racism after she called America (predominantly white) a bloodthirsty culture.

Even the PC thugs don’t live up to your straw man.

Of course white guys get shafted by the PC agenda. That doesn’t necessarily make someone who is anti racist and anti sexist anti white male. If they lived up to their ideals they’d be neither.

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18 Nov 12 at 1:42 am
The fact that there were no Israelis under the British Mandate is a simple statement of fact.

The fact that Israel has no official borders means that their colonization project is still in process.

Modern terrorism began with the Zionist extremists groups and their war against Palestinians and the British during the Mandate.

The war continues. Israel is not under attack. It is the aggressor.

Scapula

18 Nov 12 at 1:42 am
You are aware that Patton is regarded as an “anti-semite” in the circles of the high minded, aren’t you Symbol? Gify.

I note you avoided the dilemma you have: which part of White Nationalism do you object?

It’s not the nationalism, you support Israel, therefore it must be the White. Why do you hate White people having their nations, Symbol?

As for collectivism, as per JC, here’s another truism: diversity + proximity = war.

No amount of Paulism is going to make that go away.

I’m the humane one here. I don’t want to shove all the pit-bulls in with the bichons. I wanta keep ‘em separated. Good fences make good neighbours, as Robert Frost said.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 1:42 am
The Israeli press is filled with stories today how bibi is calling for the annexation of Long Island and the Sydney Northern beaches into the Israeli co-prosperity sphere. You’re fucked Bob.

LOL

Both are WASP central and so would probably approve of the annexation to get away from the odious Julia and Barry.

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18 Nov 12 at 1:44 am
Ah, must be why he said that Dred Scott was a “great decision”.

hahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha

What an idiot.

Why aren’t I surprised he chose the Bobster as his speechwriter.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 1:45 am
A Canadian professor of Indian (IIRC, but non-white) was taken to the Canadian courts on charges of racism after she called America (predominantly white) a bloodthirsty culture.

Excellent!

Got a link? I want to cite that to my friends on other blogs. It’s exactly the sort of thing I have been promoting. You have to play by the ethnic rule-book. The only way to fight racism is to start taking your own accusations to the courts. Hoist them on their own petard, I say.

Seriously, that is great news and I’d love the link.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 1:45 am
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=patton+anti-semite&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 1:49 am
You are aware that Patton is regarded as an “anti-semite” in the circles of the high minded, aren’t you Symbol? Gify.

He’s not.

It’s not the nationalism, you support Israel

No. Supporting Israel doesn’t mean I’m a nationalist.

Why do you hate White people having their nations, Symbol?

You previously inferred I was denying you having your ethnicity. People can join any nation they identify with. Most white people have voted to not live in white only countries.

Democracy is not the be all and end all but you are trying to project your minority views onto a majority. This is at best as bad as a majority bullying a minority.

As for collectivism, as per JC, here’s another truism: diversity + proximity = war.

This is homespun nonsense. America and Australia ought to be in a civil war. Ireland ought to be a bastion of peace with a long history of harmony.

I’m the humane one here. I don’t want to shove all the pit-bulls in with the bichons.

Nor does having semi open immigration.

I wanta keep ‘em separated.

You’d turn away refugees from genocide.

Good fences make good neighbours, as Robert Frost said.

We’ve got a big moat. We’re already multiracial and multicultural.

Of course libertarians abhor multiculturalism by mandate, but your idea to retroactively create “Australia for the Australians” is just seriously mixed up revanchism.

The war continues. Israel is not under attack. It is the aggressor.

Loopy stuff.

Modern terrorism began with the Zionist extremists groups and their war against Palestinians and the British during the Mandate.

No, it started in post revolution, pre directorate France and continued in Tsarist Russia and pre WWI Europe.

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18 Nov 12 at 1:53 am
As for collectivism, as per JC, here’s another truism: diversity + proximity = war.

look, you’re talking crap. There’s no real white race as you suggest.

Italians are not Anglos and Swedes aren’t frogs. They all have paler skin than say black Africans but their cultures are very different. The concept of Europe is really only a recent one.

Hayek once suggested that different races can get along inside a national border provided they share the same values. He was pretty much spot on.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 1:54 am
Which part of White Nationalism do you find “putrid”, Gab?

All of it but in particular the “Fascism is the Future. There will be no other. Either Fascism or Death!” bit.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 1:54 am
a terrorist organisation that commits to slaughtering Jews in its charter

Wow, like the British committed themselves to defeating the Nazis, and sided with Uncle Joe, handing over half of Europe to Communism?

That’s incredible. How dare the Palestinians fight the people who want to kill them! Why, that’s just barbaric!!!

They should just expose themselves on a cliff face, right now.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 1:57 am
The war continues. Israel is not under attack. It is the aggressor.

Bob, you realize you’re going into Max Scream mode, yea? And you know what that means, right?

It means that you’re cruising toward a booting again.

Bob, I wish Hamas would aim a few of those fucking rockets toward you, after which you would let us know if you felt under attack.

You deserve to be tazered.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 1:59 am
That’s incredible. How dare the Palestinians fight the people who want to kill them! Why, that’s just barbaric!!!

Israel does not want to “kill Palestinians”. Hence why Yitzak Rabin signed that agreement.

The guy who shot him is in a lunatic fringe minority. Arabs, Bedouins and Muslims and Christians all serve in the IDF.

If Israel wanted to “kill Palis” they’d kill all Arabs and Muslims in Israel.

It is simply disgusting you are comparing the allied powers alliance of convenience with the exterminationist, anti semitic policy of Hamas.

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18 Nov 12 at 2:01 am
The war continues. Israel is not under attack. It is the aggressor.

Bob, you realize you’re going into “Maxxie Screem” (yes it’s filtered) mode mode, yea? And you know what that means, right?

It means that you’re cruising toward a booting again.

Bob, I wish Hamas would aim a few of those fucking rockets toward you, after which you would let us know if you felt under attack.

You deserve to be tazered.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 2:01 am
No. Supporting Israel doesn’t mean I’m a nationalist.

Yes. It does.

You support the nation state of Israel.

So do I. We agree. If only you’d admit it.

He’s not

Oh, yes, he is. Let me assure you, Patton is quite highly regarded in so called “anti-semitic” circles. And equally despised by anti-anti-semites. It was a poor choice of yours as an example, but, you weren’t to know. We’ll let it pass.

but your idea to retroactively create “Australia for the Australians”

What’s so bad about that? Don’t you support Tibet for the Tibetans? Think of the Dalai Lama, please. Why do you want to crush the Dalai? Why?

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:03 am
That’s incredible. How dare the Palestinians fight the people who want to kill them! Why, that’s just barbaric!!!

They should just expose themselves on a cliff face, right now.

You’re a fucking moron. If the Israelis wanted to kill off every last Pali they could so quite easily. It’s actually mind boggling how tempered they have been to the murderous fucks next door.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 2:03 am
They’re next door because they’ve been booted out of their house.

Scapula

18 Nov 12 at 2:05 am
anti semitic policy of Hamas

Hamas are semitic, they aren’t anti-semitic. Oh, you are saying only Jews are semitic?

That seems racist to me.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:05 am
Israel has just been shelled from Egypt.

So that $1.5 billion Obama gave the Muslim Brotherhood has been put to good use.

C.L.

18 Nov 12 at 2:09 am
Hamas are semitic, they aren’t anti-semitic. Oh, you are saying only Jews are semitic?

This historical misnomer is my fault is it?

Another reason why your stupid theory about diversity and proximity leads to war is wrong.

They’re next door because they’ve been booted out of their house.

Gaza and the West bank were always part of Palestine. Israel accepts Muslims and Arabs into the IDF. Jordan kicked out more Palis than Israel ever did.

That’s incredible. How dare the Palestinians fight the people who want to kill them! Why, that’s just barbaric!!!

Exactly. The English for example were right to enforce direct rule on the bog stupid Irish terrorists.

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18 Nov 12 at 2:09 am
It’s actually mind boggling how tempered they have been to the murderous fucks next door.

You mean like the Irgun slaughtered the British?

Short memory, JC, short memory.

The Jews in Israel is the equivalent of the British in Ireland. And you declare the Irish are “murderous fucks” for having the temerity! to fight for their land.

You really should read your history from wider circles than Tim Blair’s blog. Btw, you know that Murdoch is a medal recipient from the soviet ADL don’t you?

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/accepting-adl-award-murdoch-decries-ongoing-war-against-jews-1.319145

You know, you don’t have to take sides in their ethnic squabble. You could just take your own side.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:10 am
Israel has just been shelled from Egypt.

That’s really fucking bad news. Go long in oil?

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18 Nov 12 at 2:11 am
I can’t say I have been chosen by God. But tonight I can say this: I am honored to be chosen by His people for this award.

It’s God’s people versus the world!

http://www.adl.org/main_International_Affairs/Murdoch_Soft_War_Israel.htm

Too bad Murdoch doesn’t give a shit for our country, hey JC? We’re just the lumpenproletariat, only fir for shabbos goy work, on behalf of “His people”.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:13 am
They’re next door because they’ve been booted out of their house.

Who was booted out of their house, Bob, you stupid fuck? There are around 5 million Palis now whereas at the time Israel was formed there were around 700,000. How many of them are still alive today, you dumbfuck.

Furthermore there were around 500,000 or so Jews that were thrown out of Arab countries in the late 40′s.

How come we never hear a peep from Jew haters like you demanding they get the right of return and the right to reclaim their property rights?

Lastly it’s hypocritical of you or any other leftwing twat to question the right of Israel’s existence when you’re living in Australia oblivious to the way in which this land was obtained and from whom.

You fuckhead bob. You dishonest fat douchebag.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 2:13 am
Israel has just been shelled from Egypt.

And the rockets are also being launched from Long Isand and the North Shore.

Scapula

18 Nov 12 at 2:14 am
Israel has just been shelled from Egypt.

Well it was to be expected. After all, the MB in power did say they would tear up the Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty. Obama will probably send the MB more money now.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 2:17 am
Israel has just been shelled from Egypt.

So that $1.5 billion Obama gave the Muslim Brotherhood has been put to good use.

Good Lord, why do you care CL?

Isn’t it about time we started fighting our own wars instead of dividing ourselves over this crazy ethno-religious conflict that has nothing whatsoever to do with us?

Neither side will thank us. You do know that don’t you?

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:17 am
I hear Lee Rhiannon is celebrating at the moment.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 2:18 am
Glad to see you agree that the Palestininians were forcibly removed from their homes, Joe, you just feel that it was justified.

You are a Zionist sympathizer and that is your prerogative.

Scapula

18 Nov 12 at 2:18 am
The Jews in Israel is the equivalent of the British in Ireland

The British who settled had familial and economic ties with Ireland. You understand why Soctland is called Scotland and not Pictland, right?

The British (read English) manipulated religious differences in an effort to literally outbreed Catholicism and separatism out of existence.

The “English” had ruled Ireland since 1170 and just kicked out other norseman.

To make up a historical equivalent is simply stupid. The Irish have fought amongst themselves and now they accept two separate Irelands.

Israel exists. You cannot turn back the clock. Both Israel and Palestine have a right to exist.

The idea you’d smear Israel but ignore the errors in British colonial rule but declare all Englishmen in Ireland foreign scum is totally whack.

You know, you don’t have to take sides in their ethnic squabble. You could just take your own side.

There is no ethnic squabble. Anglos dominate. Celts whinge about being losers. Poms, most Aussies, most Yanks and Palis and Israelis are all Caucasian.

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18 Nov 12 at 2:18 am
The Jews in Israel is the equivalent of the British in Ireland. And you declare the Irish are “murderous fucks” for having the temerity! to fight for their land.

Look dickhead, my mother’s ancestors were thrown out of Nice as a result of an ethnic cleansing, which was at the time considered part of Italy.I don’t see any of their descendants going around lobbing rockets on Paris. Borders and people move around all the time. The history of the human race is one of constant movement around the planet.

Get used to it.

And that example I presented to Bob applies to you too. If you were really true to your convictions, you get on the first plane back to the UK or Ireland (where your ancestors came from) and leave this place to the aboriginals. Fat chance of that, though, you dishonest turd.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 2:20 am
The English for example were right to enforce direct rule on the bog stupid Irish terrorists.

Thanks for coming clean, Symbol.

Please, elaborate.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:21 am
Glad to see you agree that the Palestininians were forcibly removed from their homes, Joe, you just feel that it was justified.

No, it was probably wrong, but it’s done now in the same way it’s a done deal that this continent was settled by the Brits, like North America and the Spanish in the South.

You are a Zionist sympathizer and that is your prerogative.

Fine with me, but I don’t have to go around calling out the Jews as a special case (there’s a name for that) while you’re nicely ensconced in the northern beaches of Sydney where I’m sure a good number of Aboriginals once lived.

Tell me Bob, if an aboriginal turned up to your door and told you that that area was his ancestral home, would you give it to him?
Ummmmm?

You hypocritical fat fuck, Bob.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 2:25 am
Borders and people move around all the time. The history of the human race is one of constant movement around the planet.

Get used to it.

I am used to it. That’s why I don’t get worked up by your bleeding Israeli heart. It’s just “constant movement”. West Bank, Jerusalem, Gaza, makes no difference to me. Matter of fact, you’re the one who is worked up over it.

It’s puzzling, if I should get used to it, which I am, why don’t you?

I’m not calling people “dickheads” for not agreeing that Israel should turn the entire Mid-East into a glass carpark. You are.

Yet you lecture me.

Pax nobiscum, brother.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:27 am
Still not read anything about the shells from Egypt?

Scapula

18 Nov 12 at 2:28 am
Ireland were fighting mostly amongst themselves since after the Anglo Irish treaty.

I think that’s pretty stupid, and along with basing loyalties on race, it is a backward, pettifogging, small minded and boring view of the world.

Maybe you can explain how wonderful the Irish civil wars, internecine fighting etc helped Ireland, particularly in the North.

According to you these conflicts should not have happened because of the racial homogeneity.

Either they are bog stupid or your theory is a giant, stinky turd of a theory.

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18 Nov 12 at 2:29 am
I’ve never seen you this excited, Scrappy Bob. The thought of dead Israelis fill you with glee then.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 2:30 am
There are no Egyptian shells, Gabby, and that’s the point.

Scapula

18 Nov 12 at 2:32 am
I’m not calling people “dickheads” for not agreeing that Israel should turn the entire Mid-East into a glass carpark. You are.

No one ever said that, Iran has openly said it wants to nuke Israeli…thus killing all Lebanese and Palestinians as well.

I am used to it. That’s why I don’t get worked up by your bleeding Israeli heart. It’s just “constant movement”. West Bank, Jerusalem, Gaza, makes no difference to me. Matter of fact, you’re the one who is worked up over it.

It’s puzzling, if I should get used to it, which I am, why don’t you?

The why the FUCK are you demanding we go back to the white Australia policy?

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18 Nov 12 at 2:32 am
Anglos dominate

Yeah, that’s right. You won the war, and handed Poland over to the Communists, as your empire lay in ruin, all for Poland.

Emma West wants a word with you, she doesn’t feel like she’s dominating.

(Fuck me, the delusion is heartbreaking)

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:33 am
As for the rest, as soon as you mention “racist” you lose me. Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

Have to to agree with the Pat, reluctantly

steve23

18 Nov 12 at 2:34 am
Iran has openly said it wants to nuke Israeli

Not that I’ve seen. You’ve probably got a primary source for that. Feel free to link it.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:35 am
There are no Egyptian shells,

Aww, you must be so disappointed.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 2:35 am
Ireland were fighting mostly amongst themselves since after the Anglo Irish treaty.

I think that’s pretty stupid, and along with basing loyalties on race, it is a backward, pettifogging, small minded and boring view of the world.

Maybe you can explain how wonderful the Irish civil wars, internecine fighting etc helped Ireland, particularly in the North.

According to you these conflicts should not have happened because of the racial homogeneity.

Either they are bog stupid or your theory is a giant, stinky turd of a theory.

You lost, Ireland won.

Get used to it, as JC would say.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:37 am
I am used to it.

Really? You have this collectivist mentality of being proud of your pigmentation whereas people here don’t seem to give a flying fuck about their skin color and judge people on their ideals.

That’s why I don’t get worked up by your bleeding Israeli heart.

What you really mean to say is that you’re indifferent to the countless rockets lobbed over the border , which is meant to kill or maim innocent civs going about their life.

It’s just “constant movement”. West Bank, Jerusalem, Gaza, makes no difference to me. Matter of fact, you’re the one who is worked up over it.

Oh please, not the leftist reversal trick.

It’s puzzling, if I should get used to it, which I am, why don’t you?

Lol. I’m not the one presenting the collectivist mindset. You are and seem to be all worked up about it.

I’m not calling people “dickheads” for not agreeing that Israel should turn the entire Mid-East into a glass carpark. You are.

I did? Israel isn’t the aggressor here despite what you or your leftwing mate (Bob) is saying. Would you tolerate the Indons lobbing rockets into our big cities?

Yet you lecture me.

No, I’m not lecturing. I’m countering your putrid beliefs.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 2:37 am
Borders and people move around all the time. The history of the human race is one of constant movement around the planet.

Get used to it.

Hey, Joe, why do you worry about there being too few whites to vote for Romney then?

You’re obsessed about all the races that move around and destroy the Reptilian Party’s chances at the Presidency.

Scapula

18 Nov 12 at 2:37 am
Yeah, that’s right. You won the war, and handed Poland over to the Communists, as your empire lay in ruin, all for Poland.

Great Britain, with the assistance of the industrial might of the US and some Irish volunteers, and French, Polish and low country ex patriates, stood alone against Germany, the Soviet Union, Japan and Italy.

I have some Irish ancestry too, as well as Welsh and Scottish. You really have a chip on your shoulder and it is quite unedifying.

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18 Nov 12 at 2:38 am
bog stupid

stinky turd

stupid

FUCK

Anglos dominate

Celts whinge

My, my. We do seem to have touched a raw ethnic nerve there.

Aren’t you Mr Kumbaya, defender of the defenceless?

From whence does this antipathy come?

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:40 am
I have some Irish ancestry too

Hmmm, probably from the “bog” you keep bringing up.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:42 am
You lost, Ireland won.

The North and the South got what they wanted, self determination won.

Haha tell any Irish nationalist they have won. No they haven’t. The North is still “occupied”, by, erm, other Irish people.

I’m Australian, not British, despite my ancestry.

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18 Nov 12 at 2:43 am
Hey, Joe, why do you worry about there being too few whites to vote for Romney then?

Play the left’s game and win. You’re not suggesting different standards, are you Bob?

That is you’re not suggesting the American Left should be allowed to play identity politics and the GOP shouldn’t?

JC

18 Nov 12 at 2:43 am
Hamas are semitic, they aren’t anti-semitic. Oh, you are saying only Jews are semitic?

I’ve heard that line from guys who said that because they were pro-Israel, their desire to see every other national / tribal group in the region wiped out wasn’t racist. After all, they were pro-Israel, technically the same, broad, ethnic group as many others in the region.

wreckage

18 Nov 12 at 2:45 am
You’re obsessed about all the races that move around and destroy the Reptilian Party’s chances at the Presidency

There’s about as much chance of the GOP say attracting a large share of the black vote as you getting rid of you obesity, Bob.

So the GOP should stop trying to pretend it can increase that share and focus their attention on how they can win.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 2:46 am
My, my. We do seem to have touched a raw ethnic nerve there.

Aren’t you Mr Kumbaya, defender of the defenceless?

From whence does this antipathy come?

Just answer the question dickhead.

Why is “borders change, get used to it” do you want to create an “Australia for the Australians” by implementing the White Australia Policy again.

Third parties: note that a “white nationalist” and a left wing loon are in constant agreement.

White nationalism? There isn’t a single white nation. You hate the English after all.

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18 Nov 12 at 2:47 am
I’m Australian

Really?

You sure talk about Israel a lot, for an Australian. I don’t think I’ve ever read anything from you demanding the same sort of ethnic status you demand for Israel.

Could be wrong, I admit, and will rest judgement till you produce something equally emotional on behalf of Australia’s ethnic rights, mas you do for ytour constant theme of Israel, uber alles.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:48 am
My, my. We do seem to have touched a raw ethnic nerve there.

Aren’t you Mr Kumbaya, defender of the defenceless?

From whence does this antipathy come?

Just answer the question dickhead.

Why is “borders change, get used to it” do you want to create an “Australia for the Australians” by implementing the White Australia Policy again.

What’s the question?

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:49 am
Third parties: note that a “white nationalist” and a left wing loon are in constant agreement.

I noticed the collectivist mentality. We already knew about Bobster.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 2:51 am
mas you do for ytour

Very ugly phrasing. Correction: as you do for your

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:51 am
Hey Pat,

If you hate the Brits so much, hasn’t your white policy gone up in smoke?

JC

18 Nov 12 at 2:53 am
This blog has destroyed my sanity once more.

I’m arguing with another Australian who identifies as Irish and “white nationalist” (Nazi). He doesn’t like me because I have ancestry all over GB and Ireland and I can poke fun at my Irish, Welsh, English, Scottish (and Australian ancestors).

He attacks Israel because he doesn’t like refugees (not white enough) and the holocaust led to the UN convention on refugees. When he is embarrassed on this issue, he says it doesn’t matter – because they are not our race.

This guy doesn’t understand there is no “white race” save for Caucasian to which the semitic people belong.

He thinks every race ought to have it’s own nation but can’t see the problem of giving Australia back to the Aborigines and everyone else flying out back to their ancestral home.

God knows what he thinks of children from mixed marriages, or how brining back the WAP could possibly create a white only Australia now, given we have had Chinese and Afghan immigration since before the gold rush.

He was bested hours ago. We had open immigration before and after the end of transportation and we had peace and stability after the 1830s save for the Eureka stockade and white nationalist pogroms against the Chinese and Aborigines.

Such factors lead to prosperity and advancement of all people.

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18 Nov 12 at 2:54 am
Third attack on central city in three days intercepted by fifth Iron Dome battery, deployed in Gush Dan earlier in the day; Palestinian terrorists fire 740 rockets into Israel since start of operation.

The Iron Dome intercepted two Iranian-made Fajr-5 missile aimed at Tel Aviv on Saturday. The missiles marked the third attack on the heavily populated central city in as many days, after Palestinian terrorists from Gaza fired two missiles toward the financial capital Friday, prompting red alert air raid sirens to sound in the city.

While police said that one of the missiles landed in an open area, a military source told The Jerusalem Post that the Iron Dome intercepted both missiles.

Hey bob, what would be doing if the Palis fired 740 rockets around where you live you oaf?

JC

18 Nov 12 at 2:55 am
Third parties: note that a “white nationalist” and a left wing loon are in constant agreement.

Leftists oppose Israel for the same reason m0nt and co, and yourselves, oppose White Nationalism: they are opposed to any form of nationalism.

They would drop Palestine the minute Israel folded. They are principled like that. Palestine is just a strategy, a means to the end of all nationalism.

You people, on the other hand, are unprincipled. You declare anti-nationalism for all, free-trade for all, and are determined that Israel be the only true nation left on earth.

Not me though, I’m principled. I support all nations. My first first and foremost.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:55 am
The West’s Darkest Hour
Survival for the white race

Speaking of racists, that’s quite the Neo-nazi blog. Is that you listed on the page, Pat Hannagan?

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 2:56 am
oops… what would you be doing…

JC

18 Nov 12 at 2:56 am
Well done, Symbol: http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/11/17/open-forum-november-17-2012/comment-page-10/#comment-643722

Just write my own words for me. Victory is yours!

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 2:58 am
Maybe you want to address some of the stupidities you espouse, and we have objected to?

Yep, victory is indeed mine, you Nazi twit.

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18 Nov 12 at 3:00 am
Pat’s musings.

Daybreaker, let me be blunt. Your comments, here and on previous posts, are too long and too many. You seem to be trying to take charge of the discussion, to manage it. Stop it.

That’s one of several indicators that gives me the distinct impression you’re a jew. Calling me paranoid is another. People think you’re a jew because you act like one.

hey paddy, dot, Gab and i are Jews too, you reckon?

JC

18 Nov 12 at 3:02 am
Yes, it is, Gab. Chechar is a good bloke, an internet acquaintance. We corresponded for a while.

He’s Hispanic too (shudder).

I can give you plenty more links if you like, to other blogs, but I wouldn’t want you to wet the bed tonight.

Best to just dream of the U.S.A. nuking the Mid-East on behalf of the sainted Israel.

Funny thing about WNs. We actually want to avoid conflict. You people just can’t get enough of it though. A drone here, a drone there, never you mind, they were evil anyway, and God will sort the good from the bad in the after-life.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:03 am
Pat in the hippie era.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 3:04 am
JC, you’ve quoted Tanstaafl, not me.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:04 am
Is this you, Pat Hannagan?

Don’t underestimate it. The Left is fanatical and zealous in pursuit of their agenda which ultimately must lead to a clash with Jews, Muslims and other non-White religions and cultures.

We should urge on the Left to ban circumcision, kosher and halal slaughter, “homophobia” (directing them to orthodox Jewry and Muslims) for starters.

A clash between leftist principles and Jewish goals is inevitable. Urge on the Left in their campaign of BDS.

The Left is the best thing Whites have to hope for since the right has capitulated completely in the culture war.

We can position ourselves once again as outside the political spectrum, since the the right will fold completely and we stand as the only viable alternative.

We must keep the Left’s focus on these things above thereby forcing them into a full on confrontation with the alien it has introduced into our nations.

That blog you visit, is it like St0rmfront?

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 3:06 am
He then moved on and become more conservative in the 80′s but couldn’t ditch flower power

JC

18 Nov 12 at 3:07 am
Maybe you want to address some of the stupidities you espouse, and we have objected to?

Name them, and I shall.

Yep, victory is indeed mine, you Nazi twit.

I win the bet: http://aftergrogblog.blogs.com/cricket/2012/07/the-great-escrape.html?cid=6a00d8341cb34453ef016768ae8646970b#comment-6a00d8341cb34453ef016768ae8646970b

Thanks Symbol.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:08 am
People think you’re a jew because you act like one.

Eienstein

Golda Meir

Yitzak Rabin

Joe Gutnick

Bar Rafaeli

An impressive list. My preference for cultural influences is Hong Kong Chinese, capitalistic Scottish and Jewish bankers. Maybe an American blonde girl with Swedish heritage I can marry, as long as she cooks French food, and I get a Chinese or Korean mistress.

My view on race relations is similar to J Billington Bulworth: go out and find the most attractive women you can from other races and fuck like crazy until there are no more separate races.

Pat, you Nazi, small minded irish loser, did you realise many people on the cat have mixed marriages, and the likes of Yobbo and myself have a bit of the yellow fever?

Sorry pal. If we all have kids, White nationalism is going to be very unpopular, even if we only let Australians in or out of Australia any more.

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18 Nov 12 at 3:09 am
Yes, that is me, Gab.

No, it’s not like Stormfront. Tanstaafl mostly writes and does radio at another site now, The White Network.

If you’re interested, I recommend the Occidental Observer and Counter-Currents as the most academic entry to WN.

If you hate Stormfront, you will break over VNN.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:11 am
A few more cards laid on the table, eh?

Sydney is a multi-culti wasteland though, Melbourne worse. If your mate has a trade he would do well in Perth or Brisbane.

The biggest benefit of Oz over America is that we don’t have a large minority of black savages to contend with, thanks to the foresight of our founding fathers who specifically made sure that we would not repeat the American experience in that regard.

More racist gems from Pat Hannagan.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 3:11 am
We actually want to avoid conflict. You people just can’t get enough of it though.

Because last time it ended with several hangings at Nuremburg.

There you go. The death penalty does deter.

It’s great you are reading a blog where Homer Paxton frequents. As an economist, he made a good Nazi sympathiser, illiterate and pot plant of a amatuer historian.

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18 Nov 12 at 3:13 am
“the likes of Yobbo and myself have a bit of the yellow fever?”

Lol, yes I did. I said that to Yobbo years ago.

And you call me a loser? Yobbo, now there’s a laff.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:13 am
It’s great you are reading a blog where Homer Paxton frequents.

What blog?

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:14 am
The biggest benefit of Oz over America is that we don’t have a large minority of black savages to contend with, thanks to the foresight of our founding fathers who specifically made sure that we would not repeat the American experience in that regard.

What do white nationalists think about Aborigines or South Pacific Islanders?

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18 Nov 12 at 3:14 am
thanks to the foresight of our founding fathers who specifically made sure that we would not repeat the American experience in that regard.

Lol

Pat, you realize the ancestors of the “savages” you refer to were perhaps the only group that didn’t want to go to America on their own steam?

You know that, right? They weren’t eggsactly immigrants like the others.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 3:15 am
So when you greet people, Pat, do you say “Seig Heil” or just stick with “hello”?

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 3:16 am
Yobbo doesn’t work and he is self funded.

But he’s a loser because he thinks Asian women are hot…Pat – you are a nazi fuckwit and you’ve swallowed your own PR bullshit about “white nationalism” NOT being about Nazism.

Give it up you freak.

So are you the bookish, creepy type of Nazi or the street thug type?

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18 Nov 12 at 3:17 am
As an economist, he made a good Nazi sympathiser, illiterate and pot plant of a amatuer historian.

I used to think he was the biggest idiot in ozblogdom until the recent prize catches here.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 3:18 am
What do white nationalists think about Aborigines or South Pacific Islanders?

Being a nascent movement, I don’t speak for anyone.

Pacific Islanders should have their own nations. Aborigines should be given their rights, and treated with understanding. I wouldn’t pretend that all Aboriginals are one and the same, and the Sydney ones are the same as at Kakadu.

That’s what you people do, and slap yourselves on the back for being so anti-racist.

Ever visited a Territory Aboriginal community, Symbol? If you had you wouldn’t be so glib with your moral grandstanding.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:19 am
Pat- the early years
He looked angry even then.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 3:20 am
Hey Bob, the Israelis are the aggressors, as you can see from the vid.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 3:23 am
Yobbo doesn’t work and he is self funded.

But he’s a loser because he thinks Asian women are hot…

Yobbo is a degenerate, a failed libertarian politician, who sleeps with Asians because they like the White man, and he likes it like that. It’s easy.

Probably tours Phuket on a Houellebecq type sex-getaway. Yet you call me a “freak”?

I’m glad I am one, in that case.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:24 am
lol, suddenly Pat reverts to saying “Aborigine” instead of his usual “black savages”. Don’t be fake, Pat. let your true nature hang out.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 3:25 am
I wouldn’t pretend that all Aboriginals are one and the same, and the Sydney ones are the same as at Kakadu.

NO SHIT!

Did you ever think that all white people don’t share in your boring, small minded vision?

Ever visited a Territory Aboriginal community, Symbol? If you had you wouldn’t be so glib with your moral grandstanding.

No but my family is from a shithole with Aboriginal problems.

You visit Aboriginal communities do you Pat? That’s odd from an ~~Irish~~Australian guy who blames the Jews (like me, apparently) for the “niggerisation” of Australia – whereas it is the ~~Australians~~Irish doing that to America.

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18 Nov 12 at 3:25 am
Yobbo is a degenerate, a failed libertarian politician

You won’t even man up and run on a “White nationalist” platform.

Coward.

who sleeps with Asians because they like the White man, and he likes it like that

Usually, normal, non abusive men sleep with women who like them.

You might find this difficult to understand.

What disturbs you is those girls are ‘race traitors’.

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18 Nov 12 at 3:28 am
suddenly Pat reverts to saying “Aborigine” instead of his usual “black savages”.

You obviously aren’t up on the stats, Gab, so calling American negroes “black savages” doesn’t make sense to you.

Aborigines aren’t like that.

Here’s a post for you, by a Jew, so you might accept that instead of my word: http://jewamongyou.wordpress.com/2012/03/15/a-black-answer-to-black-on-white-rape-statistics/

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:28 am
Ah great Pat is into Christian identity.

Pat Hannagan
Posted October 11, 2011 at 9:29 pm | Permalink
For Christianity, spiritual brotherhood trumps blood ties. Yes, and that is why Christianity united Europe in Christendom.

The only reason my daughter would ever marry a Black, Christian or otherwise, would be because some Atheist Stalinist made it law to do so.

I don’t recall thousands of White women marrying Blacks in the last 2,000 years of Christian Europe. But I do note it on the rise now that the Atheists and Jews are in control.

What an arsehole. The Holy Family were of course JEWS and there are plenty of black saints.

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18 Nov 12 at 3:32 am
You won’t even man up and run on a “White nationalist” platform.

Coward.

What do you mean?

What disturbs you is those girls are ‘race traitors’.

No, what disturbs me is people like you with “yellow fever” claiming you are anti-racist, while you seek out a weak target to exploit.

Face it, Symbol, you are the real “racist”, yet you hypocritically condemn others for being more decent than yourself.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:33 am
My God the stupidity just goes on and on.

Sinclair, you should wipe this imbecile.

Pat Hannagan
Posted October 11, 2011 at 10:15 pm | Permalink
Surely if a black man can share the same church and the same heaven with you he can also marry your daughter.

Yes he can Greg. But a traditional Christian would note differences in race and advise against such a mingling as being doomed to failure or troubles.

It would be interesting to know if the Church ever did refuse marriage on those grounds but its more interesting to note that the Church never promoted that Europe invade itself with Blacks nor promote miscegenation.

The Church may tolerate such things, but it doesn’t (at least not historically) promote such things.

Pat Hannagan
Posted October 11, 2011 at 10:37 pm | Permalink
There we agree. It sickens me the role the Catholic Church plays in dissolving nations, especially my own nation. And I know personally many Catholics who are equally outraged by some of my Church’s activities. Yet, I will point out that the Catholic Church is the least of the offenders.

The rise of USA evangelist religions, a WASP creation, are the main source of promotion of miscegenation not to mention Jew idolatry.

Btw, I love Counter Currents and reckon you are doing a bang up job here Greg. (Maybe I should have put that in the other thread but will throw it in here.)

So now the Catholic church is engaged in seditious activity? Or there are a lot of white supremacist Catholics?

Look there is a good chance the second or third Pope after this may be Asian or black. Start shitting your pants, you stupid, racist turd.

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18 Nov 12 at 3:37 am
The biggest benefit of Oz over America is that we don’t have a large minority of black savages to contend with, thanks to the foresight of our founding fathers who specifically made sure that we would not repeat the American experience in that regard.

Nah, you’ve made yourself perfectly clear you were referring to Aborigines as “black savages”. Quite clear where you stand. You’re way too racist for me. I don’t need to read anymore or your racist comments nor that of your racist cohorts.

At least you hate all races equally except for the “Whites” whoever they may be as you seem confused about that too. Apparently some “Whites” are just not “White” enough for you.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 3:37 am
No, what disturbs me is people like you with “yellow fever” claiming you are anti-racist, while you seek out a weak target to exploit.

Asian women are vulnerable?

Oh yeah, that’s not racist. Fuckhead.

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18 Nov 12 at 3:38 am
The Holy Family were of course JEWS

No they weren’t. You need to reacquaint yourself with the Gospels.

The Jews today are of the Talmud. The Jews in Christ’s time diverged between the Pharisees (the Talmud) and the Torah (from which Christianity is the culmination).

Also, being Jewish is not only a religious matter, it is also racial and cultural. It is unique in that regard. For instance, there are many Jews today who are not observant, but atheists.

Anyway, it’s not important. You don’t believe anyway, so I don’t know why you bring it up, except for snark points.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:39 am
Israelo-nationalism versus Australo-nationalism!

Scapula

18 Nov 12 at 3:39 am
Asian women are vulnerable?

Not all. But of course in many countries they are, which is why you seek them out.

Yet you call me the racist.

Thanks for the “Fuckhead”. Very impressive.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:41 am
Nah, you’ve made yourself perfectly clear you were referring to Aborigines as “black savages”.

No, I was referring to the White Australia policy that ensured that non-White workers were repatriated to their countries of birth.

The Federal founders did consider the American experience with slavery, and did come to this decision.

That was the policy, Gab.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:44 am
anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White

anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White

anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White

anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White

anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White

Oh super. The Cat has its own Bob Whittaker clone.

D’y'all still get elephant stamps – WHITE, of course – for reposting his “mantra” on as many internet forums as you can?

sdog

18 Nov 12 at 3:44 am
Riiight…Jesus wasn’t a Jew.

Back away slowly and do not make eye contact.

You can’t even get your history correct. Jesus also quarrelled with the Sadducees and they made up most of the Sanhedrin.

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18 Nov 12 at 3:45 am
Not all. But of course in many countries they are, which is why you seek them out.

No. The last Chinese girl I was after was an Australian born engineer.

Fuck me you’re an imbecile.

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18 Nov 12 at 3:47 am
Hamas is forbidding at least 22 foreign nationals who wish to exit the Gaza Strip to do so, the Foreign Ministry said on Saturday.

According to the Foreign Ministry blog, members of the foreign press including nine Italian citizens, six citizens of Japan, one Canadian, one South Korean and a French national are being detained.

Two Turkish Red Crescent members have also been refused exit, the Foreign Ministry said.

Yes, they’ll come in handy as human shields per the usual Hamas tactic.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 3:48 am
Israelo-nationalism versus Australo-nationalism!

Note, this is exactly as I predicted to m0nt, in the first open forum last Wednesday.

The left and right in Oz are very similar, both are anti-racist, but with different motivations.

Both will always resort to anti-nationalist behaviour, and will go to abuse of the type of “racist!” the minute you argue for nationalism.

The left hate Israel because it is nationalist. The right hate anything that is an impediment to free-trade, and will ensure that no other nation be a nation, except for Israel, and promote our people to die on behalf of the nation Israel.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:49 am
The right hate anything that is an impediment to free-trade, and will ensure that no other nation be a nation, except for Israel, and promote our people to die on behalf of the nation Israel.

Unbolded is questionable. The bolded is unhinged.

How many Australians have died for Israel?

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18 Nov 12 at 3:51 am
No. The last Chinese girl I was after was an Australian born engineer.

Good for you, Symbol. You’re the one who referred to it as “yellow fever”.

Fuck me you’re an imbecile.

Great line of argument you have going there.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:51 am
How many Australians have died for Israel?

Over thirty. What’s your count?

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:52 am
So when I take the piss out of myself I’m being racist.

This is rich from someone who takes racial pride way too seriously and refers to blacks as “savages” and is not joking around.

Fuck me you’re an imbecile.

.

18 Nov 12 at 3:53 am
How many Australians have died for Israel?

Over thirty. What’s your count?

Zero.

.

18 Nov 12 at 3:53 am
Riiight…Jesus wasn’t a Jew.

Back away slowly and do not make eye contact.

So, you don’t know the difference between the Torah and the Talmud.

You conflate religious Jews with secular Jews, and deny that there is a racial component.

Back away all you want.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 3:56 am
Zero?

So we’re in Afghanistan for democracy are we? And Iraq, that was for democracy too. And when you bring up Iran, and Palestine, that’s all for democracy too.

I don’t recall Australia sending armed forces to fight for democracy in Ireland.

Nor do I see us sending them to Tibet.

Where’s the democracy, Symbol?

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 4:01 am
So, you don’t know the difference between the Torah and the Talmud.

You idiot the Sadducees made up the majority of the Sanhedrin and the High Priest.

Who do you think actually tried Jesus before he was sent to Pilate? Who do you think Caiaphas was?

You conflate religious Jews with secular Jews, and deny that there is a racial component.

This has nothing to to do with the bible.

You believe in a crackpot version of Catholicism that belongs in Torquemeda’s Spain.

.

18 Nov 12 at 4:03 am
This dude makes Bird look perfectly reasonable.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 4:05 am
So we’re in Afghanistan for democracy are we?

We’re in that for Israel, are we? This is truly some laughable, sad, pathetic shit.

And Iraq, that was for democracy too.

Note: both countries got democratic regimes.

I don’t recall Australia sending armed forces to fight for democracy in Ireland.

Nor do I see us sending them to Tibet.

Please tell us other than a small few UN peacekeepers, when have we deployed Australian soldiers in the Arab-Israeli conflict?

You actually think it is bad to defend a free and democratic country. Obviously, it is because they are Jews.

.

18 Nov 12 at 4:06 am
This dude makes Bird look perfectly reasonable.

Good call. I’m going to bed.

.

18 Nov 12 at 4:07 am
D’y’all still get elephant stamps – WHITE, of course – for reposting his “mantra” on as many internet forums as you can?

No, but thanks for repeating it.

Next time you hear a m0nt or a Symbol get all abusive about “racism”, note how selective they are. It is only ever applied to Whites.

Symbol is for Israel’s nationalism, and no one else’s. m0nt is for everyone’s nationalism, except for Whites. They get to have their constitutions rewritten, and their institutions turned inside out.

It’s true, anti-racism is a codeword for anti-White.

I bet you spruik Israel too, Sdog, whilst being vehemently oppose to the like ethnic solidarity in Oz.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 4:09 am
Next time you hear a m0nt or a Symbol get all abusive about “racism”, note how selective they are. It is only ever applied to Whites.

No fuckhead. The Nation of Islam, Rev. Jeremiah Wright and other race supremacist scum get a thorough bollicking here.

I bet you spruik Israel too, Sdog, whilst being vehemently oppose to the like ethnic solidarity in Oz.

Israel doesn’t demand ethnic solidarity, only the law of return. Arabs, Bedouins, Muslims, Black Jews and Christians all serve in the IDF…and the Knesset has Arab/Pali members.

Keep ranting you bloody twit.

.

18 Nov 12 at 4:11 am
Unhinged.

That is all.

.

18 Nov 12 at 4:12 am
Note: both countries got democratic regimes.

Iran won Iraq.

Afghanistan will go Taliban once the Yanks leave.

Don’t forget Egypt, Libya, and now Syria, all courtesy of destabilising efforts from the U.S.A.

The Mid-East has been turned inside out to accommodate Israel’s presence. Thousands of people have been killed courtesy of you so pious, anti-racist, moral charlatans.

Have a good night’s sleep Symbol. You have the blood of thousands of souls on your hands.

Yet you feign indignation at my White Nationalism, you flake. I don’t want people to die for me to feel good about myself. Just get out of the Mid-East and stop killing them.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 4:15 am
fuckhead

scum

bloody twit

Unhinged

I thought you were going to bed?

Sounds like you need it. Take a couple of panadols before you go, it will soothe your conscience.

Pat Hannagan

18 Nov 12 at 4:18 am
Catching up with yesterdays posts, Pinochet deposed the socialist Allende who violated the agreement with his junior coalition partner and proceeded the wreck the joint.

He was greeted as a savior but things did not look good when death squads emerged. Eventually on advice he instituted some rational economic policies which have largely been kept in place by mild leftist administrations.

He turned the nation over to representative government. Strange move for a fascist, but try to find a straight feed from the left and the mainstream media.

On Thatcherism, the Labor governments that followed were happy to keep the Thatcherits economic reforms and piss the proceeds up against the wall of the Nanny State. Try to get a straight feed on that as well!

Rafe Champion

18 Nov 12 at 5:40 am
I bet you spruik Israel too, Sdog, whilst being vehemently oppose to the like ethnic solidarity in Oz.

I support Israel’s right to defend herself. She is a free and fair modern liberal democratic country and the world needs more, not fewer, of those.

And being somewhat of a mongrel myself, genetically speaking, I have no truck with anybody’s calls for “ethnic solidarity”.

Unhinged.

That is all.

Quite so.

sdog

18 Nov 12 at 6:23 am
Well, surprise, surprise. The overnighters burned countless pixels arguing with yet another frootloop. I’m glad I didn’t forego any sleep trying to keep up with those shen-hannagans.

Blogstrop

18 Nov 12 at 6:48 am
I hesitate to do links on the ipad, but you know where to find Piers Ackerman, and his piece from yesterday on the Marine Parks lunacy is excellent.
Insiders has been deleted from my weekly watch or record list, so I haven’t seen them bagging Piers in person for a while. He is so much better in print than on that appalling program. His writing is direct and effective, but like me he may hesitate a little in marshalling his arguments when on the spot in front of the cameras.
But how much worse is it when a government, given all the time and personnel resources under the sun, cannot marshall a sensible policy mix. Fortunately, this week has seen a group of devastating assessments from good writers, from the good but variable Kelly and Sheridan to the more often reliable and hard hitting Ackerman. Bolt maintains an amazing pace and I commend his staying power.

Blogstrop

18 Nov 12 at 7:24 am
I have to take up one issue with dot, unless i mistook what he said. I have no difficulty in simultaneously supporting Israel while thinking that our refugee and immigration position is absolute crap. We should ditch the UN convention, and we should toughen up not just the illegals treatment but the definition of refugee. We should be very discriminating in our overall immigration policy too, insisting on quality but not tied to any race or colour, but instead to skills, education and likelihood to assimilate rather than strengthen existing ghetto mentalities.

Blogstrop

18 Nov 12 at 7:33 am
UK’s #green #energy project is “in tatters” – not a single household has yet registered for the deal.

sdog

18 Nov 12 at 7:42 am
Jumpncar says

”

Dot, i may be wrong but I think Alices disdain comes from calling an agreement made by some Fed wanker( see Bob Carr et al) that sees Australian producers duped in so called ” Free trade agreements *”
And the US hypocrisy on that issue.
(* no mandate asked or given)
( just my take on it )

Hey Jump – I dont really care the colour of the idiots who made this agreement because there have been plenty of idiots of other colours who backed it…

But Im with you… Your take is spot on.

Alice

18 Nov 12 at 7:47 am
We should be very discriminating in our overall immigration policy too, insisting on quality but not tied to any race or colour, but instead to skills, education and likelihood to assimilate

If Australia weren’t a welfare state, her wannabe-immigrants would self-select, and we’d all be winners.

Australia would score people who were willing to uproot themselves and travel great distances to have a go at making something of themselves in a safe, clean, free democratic society (or in the case of older “family reunion” immigrants they’d have loving family waiting here ready willing and able to support them). If Australia didn’t offer welfare-for-life, we wouldn’t attract those who are only interested in welfare-for-life.

Like Uncle Milt said: You can have open borders, or you can have a welfare state – you can’t have both.

sdog

18 Nov 12 at 8:02 am
Monty replies to me

”

PS I want the whole leftists rightists thing to END. CAPUT. FINALE. DIG a Grave and pour yourselves into it. And old warriors to just go to the retirement home and argue on a balcony somewhere and leave the rest of us in peace???.

Alice, this IS the retirement home.”

Monty – ten points for that one LOL. I think you are right. All I know is the place went mad last night rehashing the middle east wars…

As for Pat – I think he got restrained in his wheelchair and trundled off at some point.

Alice

18 Nov 12 at 8:04 am
Does the s in sdog stand for silly?

Alice

18 Nov 12 at 8:06 am
Smalltown Hawthorn says no to ‘asylum seekers.’

Smalltown Hawthorn will probably get its way.

nilk

18 Nov 12 at 8:11 am
Does the A in Alice stand for addled?

Splatacrobat

18 Nov 12 at 8:11 am
Silly sdog says
“Like Uncle Milt said: You can have open borders, or you can have a welfare state – you can’t have both.”

Yeah sdog so why have so many more ended up on welfare in the US and other places since some people (I dont know if they are related to Uncle Mitt) started opening the doors wide??

Seems to me Uncle Mitt just might be wrong on that one. There are a lot of shades between open borders and a welfare state sdog. Its not either or at all. I see a growing welfare state – or perhaps a growing lack of welfare – and growing unemployment – in countries that have bowed down before the hypocrisy of US free trade talk / policies…

Of course we all know how to fix the growing welfare problems dont we? We bail out the banks and we let growing numbers of the the rest seek welfare

Seems a sensible approach not. (and i said I was selfish in here. My selfishness in wnating some borders closed is positively altrusitic).

Anyway for all your talk of open borders sdog. I dont see you agreeing to opening the ports to refugee arrivals.
So what does this mean? Free borders for capital and lock the borders to labour? Given labour is still a high percentage of the price of most goods and services I dont see how this is going to deliver the best price to all.

I just hate hypocritical Bullshit from the US even if “Uncle Mitt” is one of the ones still wheeling a barrow load of manure round as policy.

Time for breakfast before Pot Shot Dot comes back (he is probably still in bed getting over the middle east wars last night).

Alice

18 Nov 12 at 8:18 am
Is the Spat in Spatocrat an abbreviation of Space Cadet?

Alice

18 Nov 12 at 8:21 am
You’re not someone who should be drinking this early on a Sunday morning, Alice. It’s not pretty.

sdog

18 Nov 12 at 8:24 am
Alice you really need to buy some new glasses. sdog referred to Uncle MILT as in Milton Friedman, not Uncle Mitt.

Your nine paragraph rant on your hatred of the US and Mitt Romney is misdirected.

Splatacrobat

18 Nov 12 at 8:29 am
If you call milk on weetbix drinking sdog…then Im guilty as charged.

Mind you when I look at Dots chain of insults last night and Pats mad ramblings Im really thinking some people were partying hard here last night…

Alice

18 Nov 12 at 8:30 am
OK Splat – you are right.

I am not wearing my glasses.

Alice

18 Nov 12 at 8:32 am
#TalibanSubjectLines – DILBERT SMILES: Taliban accidentally CCs everybody on its mailing list blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/…— sdog (@s_dog) November 17, 2012

sdog

18 Nov 12 at 8:45 am
Alice if you are such an informed economist (as you claim) how could you confuse Uncle Milt ( a well known affectionate name for Milton Friedman) with Mitt Rommney?

even if “Uncle Mitt” is one of the ones still wheeling a barrow load of manure round as policy.

It couldn’t be a typo mistake otherwise you would not have used “still wheeling a barrow load of manure round as policy” in the present tense as Uncle Milt died some number of years ago.

Is the Spat in Spatocrat an abbreviation of Space Cadet?

It’s Splatacrobat not Spatacrobat. As Sdog and I have suggested either get your eyes tested or get off the turps if you want people to take you seriously.

Btw have you evicted your rule breaking lazy son yet?

Splatacrobat

18 Nov 12 at 8:46 am
lol
Alex Lightman‏@lxlightman

For only $20 a month, you can keep a young Afghan girl from getting an education #talibansubjectlines

Splatacrobat

18 Nov 12 at 8:50 am
Do us a favour and don’t feed the trolls.

Poor Old Rafe

18 Nov 12 at 9:09 am
Not the Chicago School

Uncle Miltie

Septimus

18 Nov 12 at 9:14 am
Brendan O’Connor on Insiders decries the smears against Gillard then goes about smearing Julie Bishop saying “Questions need to be answered about her tactics as a Lawyer”

Deflecting clown

Splatacrobat

18 Nov 12 at 9:26 am
The Labor misogynists are running wild today.

…the smears against Gillard then goes about smearing Julie Bishop…

There is a planned campaign to attack Bishop going on.

The shrill and clueless lightweight who got stitched up by Ramjan & Labor (Sam Maiden) has decided to go along with Labor to lower the standard of politics further.

Julie Bishop’s time as a solicitor for asbestos miners is under the spotlight

Token

18 Nov 12 at 9:46 am
Question for the lawyers at the Cat, is there an way to trawl through the cases lawyers have worked on/lead?

The sleazy campaign that Sam Maiden has decided to be the leader of works on the basis that the actions of every lawyer who worked for a client on an objectionable case is fair game.

Has any sitting Labor member represented a p3do? Been involved defending a bank against a claim from a small client?

Its all fair game now.

Token

18 Nov 12 at 9:49 am
There is a planned campaign to attack Bishop going on.

Oh no, a planned campaign to attack a female politician for the character of her previous clients as a lawyer! Whatever is the world coming to.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 10:24 am
I have read through the late night – early morning comments and Pat Hannagan will not be returning. I have left his comments in place for prosperity.

Sinclair Davidson

18 Nov 12 at 10:25 am
That Maiden article has been edited, apparently.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 10:28 am
Posterity?

Cato the Elder

18 Nov 12 at 10:28 am
I have left his comments in place for prosperity.

I am sure Pat will thank you in posterity.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 10:29 am
All Hail the Doomlord!

I could not bring myself to even think about commenting at the unhinged rubbish he was posting and I thank the efforts of the early morning Cats to inject some sanity.

Megan

18 Nov 12 at 10:30 am
prosperity will be left for posterity too. Thanks for that.

Sinclair Davidson

18 Nov 12 at 10:32 am
Oh no, a planned campaign to attack a female politician for the character of her previous clients as a lawyer! Whatever is the world coming to.

As usual, you don’t get it. Too busy defending your team to understand the underlying message.

M0nty is happy for ex-lawyers in parliament to be attacked for fulfilling their role to represent their clients.

This is my point:

Has any sitting Labor member represented a p3do? Been involved defending a bank against a claim from a small client?

Its all fair game now.

Token

18 Nov 12 at 10:36 am
Oh no, a planned campaign to attack a female politician for the character of her previous clients as a lawyer! Whatever is the world coming to.

deflection attempt by the ALP. No surprises. Of course the possibly criminal actions of the PM are irrelevant if the Deputy Leader of the Opposition once acted for someone we don’t like
/sarc

Cato the Elder

18 Nov 12 at 10:38 am
I have read through the late night – early morning comments and Pat Hannagan will not be returning.

I was wondering how long that asshat was for this world.

Sinc, truth be told white supremacist Paddy and Bob the loon have quite similar views which was first suggested by Dot, so Bob perhaps ought to be booted too.

Furthermore Monster seems to have an issue with skin color too suggesting several times that my skin color was north African and therefore inferior.

Maybe it’s time to do a serious culling.

Oh and Stepford should simply be booted for being the most boring human being alive.

Just a few suggestions, that’s all.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 10:38 am
Which one is ‘bob the clown’?

Sinclair Davidson

18 Nov 12 at 10:40 am
‘Twas not pretty between midnight and dawn.

Septimus

18 Nov 12 at 10:44 am
“Which one is ‘bob the clown’?”

Too funny – with “prosperity” at 10:25am (pretend time) and this one it appears Sinclair himself has been giving the left overs from last night’s pre-dinner sherry a nudge this morning!!!

Mick Gold Coast QLD

18 Nov 12 at 10:47 am
bob the clown is Scapula.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 10:47 am
I have read through the late night – early morning comments and Pat Hannagan will not be returning.

Good news.

Token

18 Nov 12 at 10:51 am
And, at 10:38

“Bob the loon“

is?

Mick Gold Coast QLD

18 Nov 12 at 10:51 am
I can see it is going to be one of those days.

Sinclair Davidson

18 Nov 12 at 10:54 am
Sinc

sorry about the “prosperity” crack.

As soon as I saw that M0nty made the same crack I realised what a pedantic arsehole I was being. It’s not as if I don’t recognise a typo when I see one.

Cato the Elder

18 Nov 12 at 10:55 am
Like Uncle Milt said: You can have open borders, or you can have a welfare state – you can’t have both.

But Australia has both.

Will

18 Nov 12 at 10:57 am
quite all right – there should be no typing before coffee.

Sinclair Davidson

18 Nov 12 at 10:58 am
You can have open borders, or you can have a welfare state – you can’t have both.

Indeed – another argument for not having a welfare state.

Sinclair Davidson

18 Nov 12 at 10:59 am
Has any sitting Labor member represented a p3do?

LOL. Several Labor members were p3dos.

C.L.

18 Nov 12 at 10:59 am
M0nty is happy for ex-lawyers in parliament to be attacked for fulfilling their role to represent their clients.

Not really. But given that:

a) you lot have been baying for Gillard’s blood for fulfilling her role to represent her clients;
b) you lot are the Internet champions of the tu quoque fallacy;

… then you don’t have a leg to stand on where Bishop is concerned. Hoist by thine own petard.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 11:00 am
You can have open borders, or you can have a welfare state – you can’t have both.

. . . . . for long, without going broke

TFTFY

Cato the Elder

18 Nov 12 at 11:01 am
you lot have been baying for Gillard’s blood for fulfilling her role to represent her clients

So Bishop’s clients deposited $5000 in cash into her personal bank account?

Sinclair Davidson

18 Nov 12 at 11:03 am
BTW, Obama is not impressed.

He should get his picture taken with Keyboard Cat, playing Romney off.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 11:03 am
M0nty talking rubbish again.

The “allegation” against Gillard is that she acted in an unprofessional, unethical and possibly criminal manner.

The “allegation” against Bishop is that she acted for a large corporation in a contested compensation matter.

Hmmm. Yes, I can definitely see the equivalence . . . NOT

Cato the Elder

18 Nov 12 at 11:04 am
fulfilling her role to represent her clients

So which part of her role to represent the AWU was she fulfilling when she set up the slush fund, or “witnessed” the power of attorney, or overlooked mentioning the slush fund to her partners, or . . . . . .

Cato the Elder

18 Nov 12 at 11:07 am
So Bishop’s clients deposited $5000 in cash into her personal bank account?

Much more than that came from CSR to Bishop, I’d reckon.

CSR is far more a criminal organisation than the AWU.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 11:07 am
The “allegation” against Bishop is that she acted for a large corporation in a contested compensation matter.

Is that it? OOOOOOH tewwible! That’s how our system works innit? Everyone is entitled to legal representation, even alleged crooks in AWU and HSU.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 11:08 am
The “allegation” against Bishop is that she acted for a large corporation in a contested compensation matter.

Then you should have no worries if her past is brought up again, then. What, are you against freedom of speech, Cato? Surely not.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 11:08 am
sorry about the “prosperity” crack

There is a crack in everything …
That’s how the light gets in.

Leonard Cohen

Septimus

18 Nov 12 at 11:09 am
Much more than that came from CSR to Bishop, I’d reckon.

Reckon? Is that the latest ALP talking point?

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 11:09 am
Bishop set up an illegal slush fund to rob workers, went to auctions with criminals, bought stuff for her house with stolen money, falsely signed a legal document and accepted secret $5000 payments from crooks?

Bishop is a target because she utterly destroyed Gillard in Parliament. The Rodent looked physically intimidated. But we’ve seen before that’s she’s not exactly the Iron Lady.

C.L.

18 Nov 12 at 11:10 am
M0nty

Dead lucky that corporations can’t sue for defamation, aren’t you?

BTW, as you appear to be comprehension challenged on this, there is no suggestion that the $5,000 was fees. If it was; and it was paid into her personal account, then that is potentially fraud by Gillard against her then partners. Still want to run that line?

Cato the Elder

18 Nov 12 at 11:10 am
a) you lot have been baying for Gillard’s blood for fulfilling her role to represent her clients;

Quite. She certainly fulfilled her role for her client Mr Wilson – the AWU? Not so much.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 11:11 am
Hey, did Labor pay any of the legal fees for its MPs jailed for raping children?

C.L.

18 Nov 12 at 11:12 am
But we’ve seen before that’s she’s not exactly the Iron Lady.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 11:16 am
Maximum respect to the Cat nightshift crash crew for their diligent response to the toxic waste outburst overnight !!

Myrddin Seren

18 Nov 12 at 11:19 am
Bishop set up an illegal slush fund to rob workers, went to auctions with criminals, bought stuff for her house with stolen money, falsely signed a legal document and accepted secret $5000 payments from crooks?

The suggestion from the Maiden article is that Bishop made a rather heartless, if not unethical, argument to deny mesothelioma victims natural justice by blocking the speeding up of their cases.

There is now a secondary inference from that blog I linked that there was some biased editing of Maiden’s work before it got published.

Sounds like a story that has some legs already. Hopefully the Oz will give it four pages a day, like it does the AWU stuff.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 11:19 am
Hopefully the Oz will give it four pages a day, like it does the AWU stuff.

Four pages daily. really? I don’t think so. just because some whackjob on the internet sais this does not make it so.

At any rate, if Bishop acted in an illegal or unprofessional manner that resulted in large sums of money being ripped off from her client, then one would hope journalists would investigate.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 11:23 am
If it were true about Ms Bishop acting illegally there is no doubt Tony Abbott would ask her to step down.

Cory Bernardi had to be removed for far less.

candy

18 Nov 12 at 11:27 am
rather heartless

LOL.

Yeah, that really stings vis-a-vis a woman whose plan to send women and children to torture chambers and sex slavery in Malaysia was thrown out by the High Court.

C.L.

18 Nov 12 at 11:28 am
“rather heartless if not unethical” = “I was on the other side”

Oh yes, I can definitely see the equivalence with fraud, back dating documents and other criminal behavior

/sarc

Cato the Elder

18 Nov 12 at 11:28 am
Didn’t some Indian people immigrate to Australia under the White Australia Policy?

Just askin’

kae

18 Nov 12 at 11:30 am
So monty you are trashing the right to due process but think Gillard committed fraud against her employer?

Please, keep talking.

.

18 Nov 12 at 11:31 am
This stuff against Bishop is the same non-issue raised against Bandt for his former legal work. Both were just doing their jobs.

2dogs

18 Nov 12 at 11:39 am
Hannigan: wow…..

There is actually an argument for keeping him, though. We do have resident left-wing trolls as pets. What’s one more nutter?

If we were to have a resident pet of Hannigan’s ilk, the rest of us could kick back and watch and endless SfB-Hannigan-Monty catfight.

Mk50 of Brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 11:53 am
Boom-tish

Mk50 of Brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 11:53 am
Token and sdog, remember when you criticised m0nty and I for calling Pat out on his initial racist dog-whistling? After this epic vindication, we’ll take your apology now, thanks.

Jarrah

18 Nov 12 at 11:55 am
No allegations have been made that Gillard committed a crime by anyone credible. Same with Bishop.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 11:57 am
The smearing of Bishop is classic ALP filthy behaviour – did they ever see a sewer and not eagerly plumb its depths?

Wanna see if Bishop misbeved?

Well, that would be easy. Go to her employer and look at the file. Then go to the state archive and look at teh file. They go look at the court files. It’s all there.

Now, I want to know if the Lying Slapper misbehaved when she allegedly broke WA law when setting up the slush fund for stolen money.

So I could go to the Slater and Gordon file – oh wait, it has ‘gone missing’. No worries, the WA state archives… oh wait, the file has ‘gone missing’, no worries, Ludwig had the docs and used them in a Federal Court case… oh wait, the file has ‘gone missing’.

Hmm.

Wonder if there’s a cover up here?

So lets go and look, let’s see if the files Bishop raised/were involved in are still there.

Then let’s compare and contrast, eh?

Mk50 of Brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 12:00 pm
misbehaved

pimf

Mk50 of Brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 12:01 pm
monty you have accused Gillard of defrauding her employer.

.

18 Nov 12 at 12:02 pm
Lot of weirdness to wade through in the last 24 hours here, but nothing will top MK50 and Septimus recommending Delta Goodrem.

I’m not often shocked, but i tell you, I am deeply fucking shocked.

Infidel Tiger

18 Nov 12 at 12:04 pm
Token and sdog, remember when you criticised m0nty and I for calling Pat out on his initial racist dog-whistling? After this epic vindication, we’ll take your apology now, thanks.

I didn’t see it at first. I accidentally baited him by referring to the Holocaust as the putative reason for the refugee convention.

From there on in he took offence to phrases such as “never again”.

.

18 Nov 12 at 12:05 pm
Now, I want to know if the Lying Slapper misbehaved when she allegedly broke WA law when setting up the slush fund for stolen money.

So I could go to the Slater and Gordon file – oh wait, it has ‘gone missing’. No worries, the WA state archives… oh wait, the file has ‘gone missing’, no worries, Ludwig had the docs and used them in a Federal Court case… oh wait, the file has ‘gone missing’.

Hmm.

Wonder if there’s a cover up here?

So lets go and look, let’s see if the files Bishop raised/were involved in are still there.

Then let’s compare and contrast, eh?

That’s a lot files that have been “disappeared”. One wonders what there is to hide if a certain Big Red was not acting in a criminal manner?

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 12:05 pm
No allegations have been made that Gillard committed a crime by anyone credible

Au contraire. No adult in charge of their faculties believes this disgusting woman to have not committed a serious crime.

But she was just a young and naive dirtbag then, so it’s okay.

Infidel Tiger

18 Nov 12 at 12:06 pm
http://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/2012/11/18/ian-cambridge-returns-serve-against-kangaroo-court-of-australia-attack-and-drops-the-boot-into-julia-gillard/

.

18 Nov 12 at 12:08 pm
rather heartless, if not unethical,

Definitely not unethical so “rather heartless” is all you’ve got against Bishop.

As opposed to very unethical if not criminal against Gillard. And now that files from three separate organisations have gone missing, the smart money is on criminal.

jupes

18 Nov 12 at 12:11 pm
Bolt gives us the lowdown on Insiders this morning:

Asked today on Insiders about Julia Gillard’s involvement in the AWU slush fund scandal, Small Business Minister Brendan O’Connor agrees it’s time some questions were answered about the legal work. To be precise:

Julie Bishop indeed has some questions to answer.

Much discussion ensues about Bishop as a lawyer. Insiders can now say it’s covered the AWU scandal.

Much the same was famously tried by Health Minister Tanya Plibersek when asked about Gillard’s hypocritical defence of the sleazy, sexting Peter Slipper:

And I think it raises the question about the role that Tony Abbott’s playing.

UPDATE

Insiders does it again. The panel is invited to discuss the AWU scandal by commenting on … Abbott. Is Abbott playing the good cop to Julie Bishop’s bad cop? David Marr and Lenore Taylor pooh-pooh the scandal. Barrie Cassidy demands to know if the media has “the right” to ask why $5000 from her corrupt boyfriend was allegedly dropped into Gillard’s account.

Then they are back to discussing what Abbott said that could (if you misquote and misrepresent him) was silly about Aborigines. Don’t worry about what Gillard actually does, yammer instead about what Abbott allegedly said.

Earlier this morning, at the ABC…

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 12:11 pm
you lot are the Internet champions of the tu quoque fallacy

Can you please stop saying “tu quoque fallacy”, mOnty?

You had no idea what this even meant until Rococo Liberal mentioned it a month or two back, now you won’t stop banging on about it.

Perhaps you would be better of doing some reading and educating yourself. I recommend Jonah Goldberg’s Tyranny of Cliches. There’s an excellent chapter on people who claim they don’t believe in ideology. They are all leftists.

Infidel Tiger

18 Nov 12 at 12:13 pm
Yeah, that really stings vis-a-vis a woman whose plan to send women and children to torture chambers and sex slavery in Malaysia was thrown out by the High Court.

And the Liberal party policy is to turn the boats around to the same sorts of places. If the Liberal party believe that asylum seekers are vulnerable to torture and sex slavery in countries like Malaysia then why do they insist that they should stay in these countries and wait their turn rather than seek somewhere safe immediately?

Chris

18 Nov 12 at 12:16 pm
There’s an excellent chapter on people who claim they don’t believe in ideology. They are all leftists.

Deadset, it’s the prime giveaway.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 12:19 pm
JULIA Gillard’s office wants answers following suggestions that taxpayer-funded translators used the internet to prepare the Chinese version of the Prime Minister’s Asian white paper.

One critic said it looked like the job was done using the Google Translate website.

Ms Gillard released the Australia in the Asian Century paper last month, urging schools and universities to embrace Asian language lessons.

But the Chinese (simplified) version of the paper contained broken sentences, grammar and syntax errors, inappropriate vocabulary and incomprehensible expressions, leading many to question how it was prepared.Some English words were translated without preserving the original meaning, regarded as an amateur mistake.

Well, after all, it is a “fucking difficult language”.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 12:26 pm
IT:

Lot of weirdness to wade through in the last 24 hours here, but nothing will top MK50 and Septimus recommending Delta Goodrem.

I’m not often shocked, but i tell you, I am deeply fucking shocked.

You are not the only one.

Mk50 of Brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 12:28 pm
Julie Bishop very good on Bolt. Clip up now.

No wonder she scares the crap out of the Rodent.

We need a full police investigation into Labor’s illegal theft of official documents.

C.L.

18 Nov 12 at 12:30 pm
http://www.news.com.au/money/cost-of-living/national-disability-insurance-scheme-blowout-to-hit-middle-class/story-fnagkbpv-1226516974741

THE National Disability Insurance Scheme could cost a whopping $7 billion a year more than expected, meaning governments will have to seriously slash middle-class and corporate welfare to afford it, a new report says.

I’d almost say money well spent except they won’t reallocate money. They’ll just spend more.

The programme is seriously flawed and overly expensive.

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18 Nov 12 at 12:33 pm
What chance that the Federal Police, Victorian Police, QLD Police or WA Police decide to investigate the loss of documents?

Answer – none. They will not investigate, they will make some lame arse excuse that there has been no complaint.

John Comnenus

18 Nov 12 at 12:45 pm
We need a full police investigation into Labor’s illegal theft of official documents.

The Court documents should have a record of whom was the last to access them- or at least the last person to have legitimately accessed them. This would at least indicate when the documents were last known to still be present. I’ve seen too many TV dramas where evidence has been destroyed when someone signing in to get an unrelated file ‘just happens’ to tamper with the incriminating evidence.

Cold-Hands

18 Nov 12 at 12:46 pm
IT,

Lot of weirdness to wade through in the last 24 hours here, but nothing will top MK50 and Septimus recommending Delta Goodrem.

Heh. A moment of temporary madness

I thought I atoned for it a bit by linking to Leonard Cohen at 11.09am

Septimus

18 Nov 12 at 12:48 pm
Great Leonard Cohen number Septimus.

John Comnenus

18 Nov 12 at 12:50 pm
Wow.

That Hannagan idiot had a huge chip on his shoulder.

Pat Hannagan said…
I am fully in agreement with the bluey anonymous. This “ranga” hatred is insane and despicable. It’s one of the only overt racial expressions of irrational hate that is allowable in our society, which should indicate what racism is truly about. Anti-racism is a codeword for anti-White.

Many of my relatives have red hair and it sickens me when I hear this abuse, in the guise of jokes, with red heads as their target.

I also agree that the English one meets, not all, certainly do exhibit a strange hatred towards White Ozzies.

And the English, on the whole, refuse to blame anyone for their predicament excepting Irish or Celts. It was a theme not so long ago at Austers, and still rears its head from time to time, that the Irish ruined England and much scorn is heaped upon them.

Perhaps that is why the English are so free and easy with their “ginger” hatred. It’s the one race they hate more than anything, a hatred in their bones. They’d prefer to wipe themselves from the map, irrevocably change the nature of their own English cricket game emblematic of their culture, rather than one minute tolerate a red-head/Celt on equal terms.
Tuesday, 15 November 2011 9:29:00 AM AEDT

Idiot: red haired is not a race. Only in the mind of Eric Cartman, a fictional TV animation character.

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18 Nov 12 at 12:50 pm
Can someone explain to me why the NDIS is necessary and why it will cost so much? How many disabled people are there, that it should cost 7 billion more than the number first thought of for a single year?

Rococo Liberal

18 Nov 12 at 12:50 pm
Rococo,

I often hear that there are millions of carers and millions disabled and millions on the permanently disabled pension. It doesn’t add up. That leaves me and a few other people in the actual workforce. It is all spin and bullshit and we know that before long every person with an opportunity will be self declaring as disabled to get freebies from the government. And of course we can always rely on the judiciary to protect the nation from being fleeced by shysters claiming benefits designed to go to someone else. NOT!

John Comnenus

18 Nov 12 at 12:58 pm
Can you please stop saying “tu quoque fallacy”, mOnty?

You had no idea what this even meant until Rococo Liberal mentioned it a month or two back, now you won’t stop banging on about it.

Good to see that I am remembered here for something, even if it is only to give Monty a weapon he doesn’t know how to use properly.

Rococo Liberal

18 Nov 12 at 12:58 pm
Pearls* and high tea with a lovely picture in the background.

*No pearls were clutched in the making of this picture.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 1:03 pm
Finally might buy KATES’ expensive book.

Review
With evidence of economic dislocation still resonating around the world in the wake of the global financial crisis, this book is a timely introduction to economics based around a restatement of the case for the ‘free market’. It explains clearly the importance of market processes both to the raising of living standards and to the protection of liberty. It anchors the case for the market not in a set of abstract mathematical theorems but in a much older tradition based upon a common sense understanding of what Marshall termed ‘the everyday business of life’.

- Martin Ricketts, University of Buckingham, UK

Steve Kates, an academic with business experience, does away with the unrealistic abstractions that make economics inaccessible to general readers. This book is about real, enterprising people with whom we can identify, and about how ordinary economic life evolves in conditions of uncertainty. We learn why vacuous modelling only misleads us and why economic freedom and secure institutions are essential to achieving the good life.

- Wolfgang Kasper, University of New South Wales, Australia

Steven Kates has written an exciting new book on the basics of economics. He avoids the dry and unrealistic assumptions of most introductions to economics. He puts change, entrepreneurship, uncertainty, decentralized knowledge and spontaneous orders at the center of his analysis. The reader will profit from this fresh approach far more than from an ordinary textbook. This is a treatment for the general reader that both respects and engages one’s intelligence. –Mario J. Rizzo, New York University, US

About the Author
Steven Kates, School of Economics, Finance and Marketing, RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia

Dead Soul, remember when you said there was a meeting of boffins and the physicists couldn’t believe the crap some economists were spouting? Dead Soul, this is why you need to embrace laissez faire more, particularly the slightly off beat versions of it.

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18 Nov 12 at 1:04 pm
John

What gets me is the use of the word ‘insurance’in the NDIS. As I understand insurance, it is necessary for someone to pay a premium before they can expect to receive a payment for the insured event. That is not the case with the NDIS. SO why use the word ‘insurance’? I think it is to make the whole scheme more touchy feeely, and to con the general public into thinking that the scheme is self funded.

What a crock

Rococo Liberal

18 Nov 12 at 1:05 pm
You have been drinking gin, haven’t you MK?

Septimus. One of the kids (!) pointed me at – of all things – a Delta Goodrem song (Wish you were here). Now, not a fan of this singer personally… but on this one I have to make a clear exception. The emotional depth is extraordinary – it’s a memoriam for a dead friend.

Mk50 of Brisbane
17 Nov 12 at 9:45 pm

Tht is the only reason I can think of. Too much gin makes anyone weepy.
But on the other hand, how can you beat lyrics like:

And I miss you, in the Earth’s atmosphere,

and

it’s you, it’s you, it’s you, it’s you,

LOL. Get the music video, you might as well enjoy the eye candy.

entropy

18 Nov 12 at 1:08 pm
Pearls* and high tea with a lovely picture in the background.

Nope, not seeing any pearls.

Eddystone

18 Nov 12 at 1:41 pm
The NDIS is a huge concern to me. I’ve looked and looked but can’t find any details about what it’s supposed to provide.

I suspect it’s one of these schemes dreamed up by lobby groups whose only measure of success is to have more funding.

What will happen is when the government changes it will be too late to kill it because who wants to beat up on cripples. And it will limp along gathering ~~pace~~ waste until its an absolute financial disaster aka the NBN.

DaveF

18 Nov 12 at 1:46 pm
aka =eg

Oops

DaveF

18 Nov 12 at 2:03 pm
Big Government

Clinton fooled me too

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

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18 Nov 12 at 2:03 pm
DaveF

Here is the bull from the Government’s NDIS website:

http://www.ndis.gov.au/about-an-ndis/what-is-an-ndis/

What stands out is this ridiculous line:

On average, every 30 minutes someone in Australia is diagnosed with a significant disability.

Rococo Liberal

18 Nov 12 at 2:06 pm
So that’s like, what, in five years everyone will be on the NDIS, assuming no more births or deaths from today?

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 2:13 pm
Nope, not seeing any pearls.

I see swine.

Infidel Tiger

18 Nov 12 at 2:14 pm
After this epic vindication, we’ll take your apology now, thanks.

You guys were correct Jarrah. Pat was not another inarticulate person who strayed into stupid territory.

No, Pat is like Lee Rhiannon, offensive and unrepentant. Thank goodness no-one has placed him in the senate.

Token

18 Nov 12 at 2:22 pm
Rococo

That’s what I mean – no details at all just pabulum.

And it will include a comprehensive information and referral service, to help people with a disability who need access to mainstream, disability and community supports.

I mean wtf does that mean in practical terms?

Information and referral service? Christ my local GP has one of them, it’s more commonly known as ‘all the brochures next to reception’.

More seriously I’ve trawled that site and really haven’t found out why it will cost so much. Most of the chatter is about directing people to find resources which, presumably, will need more money as demand increases. But I’d like something firm like how many hours of respite will the Mum of an out of control autistic kid get each week.

But all I’ve found is wish lists from lobby groups.

DaveF

18 Nov 12 at 2:22 pm
I think Pat was actually a piss-take and all of you fell for it.

C.L.

18 Nov 12 at 2:24 pm
So that’s like, what, in five years everyone will be on the NDIS, assuming no more births or deaths from today?

If the NDIS gets passed it is going to be HUGE.

Consider the fact the ALP (followed the example of British Labour & the US Democrats) has worked with the bureaucracy to keep unemployment # down by re-classifying as many people as possible as having a disability.

Wouldn’t a serious review of services across all departments and a system of incentives to avoid duplication in combination with insurance make more sense?

Token

18 Nov 12 at 2:25 pm
hammygar is a piss-take. Pat not so much.

Sinclair Davidson

18 Nov 12 at 2:28 pm
Oh and I think they call it insurance because they originally planned to levy all taxpayers with a charge somewhat like the Medicare levy.

But they kinda don’t talk about that now.

DaveF

18 Nov 12 at 2:30 pm
On Friday I received a resume from a woman who had completed a “Google Searching” course.

True story. Binned.

DaveF

18 Nov 12 at 2:35 pm
I don’t think Kero boy is always a piss take though. I also don’t think Paddy was. That fucker doesn’t go into to the sun in it darkens his skin.

He despises dark skinned people as much as M0nster.

Hey Sinc

Fair is fair… Fat boy made what is possibly the most racist comments ever on this blog, save for Bird and Homer. Shouldn’t he also get the size 10 hobnail up his obese butt?

JC

18 Nov 12 at 2:56 pm
Insiders also covered the Christmas partyi invitations.
Labor invite: tony Abbott as the Grinch ….. very witty
liberal invite……they must be a bunch of thugs. Cut to Tony Abbott interview with questions about the chance of violence at the party and a wall being punched.
Leather face is truely pathetic

Splatacrobat

18 Nov 12 at 3:01 pm
Leather face is truely pathetic

He’s seedier than Jones or the little rat, Alberici. He has that passive aggressive personality disorder that is despicable in men. The steve twins display it all that time.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 3:09 pm
An excellent smack down of the phony economic recovery, from a far-left blog.

Welcome to the Lousiest Recovery of All Time

Riveting stuff. The talk about the one percent as being the only ones gaining from Bernanke’s pumping of trillions sounds like socialist talk but in actual fact, is what us on the Right have been saying all along.

Alex Pundit

18 Nov 12 at 3:10 pm
I think Pat was actually a piss-take and all of you fell for it.

No C.L.

He has posted his racial pride crap all over the net.

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18 Nov 12 at 3:13 pm
It’s clear that to JC, “passive aggressive” simply means criticism, or sarcastic dismissal, calmly stated.

By the way, this weekend of near continual storms in South East Queensland hopefully has a certain “climate change-y” feel about it for the general public. They might be mistaken, but it’s all good for PR purposes, don’t you think?

steve from brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 3:26 pm
By the way, this weekend of near continual storms in South East Queensland hopefully has a certain “climate change-y” feel about it for the general public. They might be mistaken, but it’s all good for PR purposes, don’t you think?

Yea stepford. It’s a great way to advertise cimatism conspiracies.

When it’s a drought blame it on da climatism and when it raining buckets do the same thing.

Oh that reminds me, bald idiot Tim Flattery has been quiet over the past six months or so.

It’s clear that to JC, “passive aggressive” simply means criticism, or sarcastic dismissal, calmly stated.

Not true. You’re lying.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 3:30 pm
As it happens, I was at the Kelvin Grove markets, which have featured in several photos, yesterday when the storm struck at 10.30. (An unusual time for a severe storm in SE Queensland.) I went into the shops and took shelter and came outside after nearly an hour to see all the stalls demolished. My wife picked up a free loaf of bread, though, from one stall holder who was giving it away.

steve from brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 3:31 pm
Fun with social media.

Julia Gillard · 146,653 like this.
43 minutes ago ·

‎”We have a national plan for a moment of strength, policies on the table and ambitious goals for 2025 – and a Labor Government with a vision for Australia:

Winning in the Asian Century.”

Might have to see if I can get myself blocked from this page as well.

nilk

18 Nov 12 at 3:32 pm
Steve these stormsare not new. This weekend is the fourth anniversaryof the gap storms where there was a lot more damage caused

Splatacrobat

18 Nov 12 at 3:35 pm
LOL SFB sez AGW is what happens today. That used to be called the weather.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 3:36 pm
10:30am on Saturday is an unusual time for severe storms, folks. You read it here first.

Infidel Tiger

18 Nov 12 at 3:36 pm
Local Man Cowers In Dress Shop While Wife Pilfers Bread.

Infidel Tiger

18 Nov 12 at 3:38 pm
Local Man Cowers In Dress Shop While Wife Pilfers Bread

Gold

DaveF

18 Nov 12 at 3:41 pm
Was mOron serious about Julie Bishop or just taking the piss?

Tiny Dancer

18 Nov 12 at 3:56 pm
Was the bread all soggy then?

candy

18 Nov 12 at 3:59 pm
I live in the Lockyer Valley – severe storms are common here, so common the houses and sheds must be built to comply with a wind rating of just under cyclonic. The weekend before I moved into my house on 11 December 1993 there was a severe storm with hail the size of golf balls which wrote off the summer tomato crop in the valley.

Yeah. Really uncommon.

kae

18 Nov 12 at 4:03 pm
The hail stones were smashing into the back windows of the new house and were so fierce I thought the windows would break.

kae

18 Nov 12 at 4:05 pm
He thinks his father is still in Afghanistan…

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 4:09 pm
Monty and Jarrah and Dot have never lived in close proximity to Lakemba, nor gone to school in Auburn.

I live within close proximity to one of Melbournistan’s culturally enriched centres of excellence.

I don’t know that I’d recommend it as somewhere to aspire to.

nilk

18 Nov 12 at 4:09 pm
Dot, show me where I accused Gillard of fraud.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 4:13 pm
Higgins Storm Chasers have live streaming footage of a storm happening now near Kyogle – here.

If the storm becomes a supercell it will be interesting.

kae

18 Nov 12 at 4:13 pm
radar image at bom

kae

18 Nov 12 at 4:17 pm
Hope it doesn’t turn into a supercell, Kae. Experienced that on Christmas Day and it took six months before I could get the car to the panel beaters. Evey panel damaged.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 4:17 pm
Dot, show me where I accused Gillard of fraud.

Note how you said she was taking payments away from her employer.

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18 Nov 12 at 4:19 pm
Fortunately Kyogle is nowhere near me, but it is storming here a bit now (just a bit of distant thunder and rain).
The big storms yesterday passed by me, one on each side!
Gab, if you’re on facebook… there’s amazing photos of lightning and the storm yesterday on Higgins Storm Chasers.

kae

18 Nov 12 at 4:20 pm
It will never flood again in Australia.

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18 Nov 12 at 4:20 pm
Thanks, Kae.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 4:21 pm
Now you are just making things up, Dot.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 4:24 pm
No I am not monty,

Gillard would run a mile form your “defence” of her.

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18 Nov 12 at 4:35 pm
Fat boy,

you’re very spiteful. It’s second worse trait after over eating.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 4:38 pm
http://www.itnews.com.au/News/319448,nbn-co-defends-rollout-progress.aspx

NBN Co cited recent figures that active connections stood at 24,000, consisting 17,000 interim satellite users, 600 fixed wireless users, and 6400 fibre customers.

Three years in and they’ve connected about the equivalent of 10% of the Penrith LGA to the 100 Mbs network.

Fucking pathetic.

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18 Nov 12 at 4:38 pm
“No allegations have been made that Gillard committed a crime by anyone credible”

This morning on the Bolt report, Bishop alleged outside parliament that Gillard had committed a criminal offence in her advice to the WA government on the purpose of the AWUWRA.

If Gillard is innocent, she can now sue Bishop for defamation.

2dogs

18 Nov 12 at 4:45 pm
The stormy day yesterday was mainly unusual for the time the first severe storm hit (10.30am). IT, who’s such a dill he thinks possums are squirrels – seems to be think that having come from Brisbane, I may not have a good idea about common Brisbane weather patterns. The evening storms then took a few hours or more to finally pass. This morning from 8 am there were small storms scooting around too, and the odd thunder has continued much of the day. It’s been a bit sunny this afternoon though.

It’s more this general all day storminess which is a bit unusual here. They have not been as destructive as ones in the past, but as the weather bureau as late as yesterday morning was indicating they may start in the afternoon, I think may people (such as at the market) were caught out.

I could talk about precipitation all day.

steve from brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 5:12 pm
candy: no, the bread loaf we got seemed to manage to stay dry.

steve from brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 5:13 pm
Adam Scott WINS the Gold Jacket!!
Bout frackin time.

jumpnmcar

18 Nov 12 at 5:14 pm
Oh, goodie.

A drip talks of precipitation.

Steve’s an expert.

kae

18 Nov 12 at 5:14 pm
You’re lightning fast, Kae.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 5:16 pm
I saw the bread as a gift from Gaia; a reward for having tried hard to convince people here of the reality of climate change.

steve from brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 5:16 pm
May you choke on it quietly.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 5:17 pm
I could talk ~~about precipitation~~ shit all day

Yes you can.

jumpnmcar

18 Nov 12 at 5:20 pm
Can you sue for defamation for statements made on a program that no one watches?

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 5:24 pm
Pat was serious. I know him from other corners of the Internet.

Julian O'Dea

18 Nov 12 at 5:27 pm
I will certainly not use the term tu quoque fallacy, but reading comments by SfB immediately brings to mind “you dopey prick”.

blogstrop

18 Nov 12 at 5:27 pm
Can you sue for defamation for statements made on a program that no one watches?

Bishop said it on the Bolt Report not Insiders.

Infidel tiger

18 Nov 12 at 5:35 pm
LOL Infidel..

max49

18 Nov 12 at 5:47 pm
“Can you sue for defamation for statements made on a program that no one watches?”

Yes.

Jarrah

18 Nov 12 at 5:51 pm
“candy: no, the bread loaf we got seemed to manage to stay dry.”

Certainly has been some downfalls, not good for the markets. But it’s nice and greener now.

candy

18 Nov 12 at 5:52 pm
m0nty, some questions:

1. Do you think that Wilson is innocent in the AWU affair?

2. If not, are you okay with (a) how the original investigation was handled, and (b) the apparent lack of investigation of the new evidence now?

3. Doesn’t the widespread loss of relevant documents including from the court concern you at all? Would you be as nonchalant about it if you were involved in a trial and crucial documents went missing?

2dogs

18 Nov 12 at 5:55 pm
Slush Fund Updates:

UPDATE

I am told a fourth set of documents has gone missing. If what I’m told is true – and given the alleged place from which they disappeared – this will become a very big story.

UPDATE
But someone does seem to have copies of the Federal Court file that went walkies.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 6:18 pm
A hint Gab….please..

max49

18 Nov 12 at 6:26 pm
I don’t know Max, wish I did. I just linked to the source.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 6:29 pm
Sorry Gab missed the link..too excited by the story…

max49

18 Nov 12 at 6:33 pm
You know, Max, I was starting to get over the whole matter…but then files began to disappear and that has now piqued my interest. I mean, it’s just like a whodunit novel.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 6:38 pm
I think it will bring her down one way or another…the next 2 weeks will be very interesting..

max49

18 Nov 12 at 6:44 pm
m0nty, some questions:

1. Do you think that Wilson is innocent in the AWU affair?

2. If not, are you okay with (a) how the original investigation was handled, and (b) the apparent lack of investigation of the new evidence now?

3. Doesn’t the widespread loss of relevant documents including from the court concern you at all? Would you be as nonchalant about it if you were involved in a trial and crucial documents went missing?

1) Dunno, but if he wasn’t, he would have been up on charges already. 2a) Dunno, but there’s no suggestion that the police were nobbled, so they evidently did it by the book, no story there. 2b) Nothing that is newly incriminating Gillard has surfaced, despite the hype. 3) It was 17 years ago, there are many record keeping regimes which would destroy records after that long; the court ones are a worry, but these things happen a lot in records management.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 7:08 pm
You bullshit artist, Fat boy. You insitutionalist neither right or left bullshitter.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 7:10 pm
It was 17 years ago, there are many record keeping regimes which would destroy records after that long; the court ones are a worry, but these things happen a lot in records management.

Yes, happens a lot. The archives are virtually empty. Pfft.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 7:12 pm
1) Dunno, but if he wasn’t, he would have been up on charges already

I am now declaring amnesty for anyone not currently under criminal investigation for all past and future crimes.

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18 Nov 12 at 7:13 pm
it was 17 years ago, there are many record keeping regimes which would destroy records after that long; the court ones are a worry, but these things happen a lot in records management.

The records which ‘went missing’ from Slater & Gordon: Not likely to be accidental at all due to the exposure to litigation.

The records which ‘went missing’ from the WA state archives. This is straight out theft. The folder was there, the content were gone. N o way would the Archives have disposed of them at all (see the relevant WA Act) and never, ever in this manner. The record is still on their books and the file cover stille xists.

The records which ‘went missing’ from the Federal Court. No way this was anything but theft. These are court records and are or can be evidence. That is why they are held in secure facilities. several breached of security had to occur.

This is a cover-up, where records have been stolen – and you do NOT do that to protect the innocent!

We can infer from the thefts and the cover-up that the Lying Slapper is demonstrably guilty of criminal acts and those records proved it.

Mk50 of Brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 7:17 pm
Of course the fat boy has no problem with a crook putting cash into the slappers bank account after she falsified the registration document and then did or supervised the conveyancing funded by stolen monies. They’re different. So shut up. Because.

Tiny Dancer

18 Nov 12 at 7:19 pm
He’s an institutionalist, Dot, Gab. He’s such a forthright instituionalist that no matter how dishonest the Lying Slapper is and has been he’ll always offer his support because he respects the institution of the PM. It’s not because he’s a doughnut devouring leftwing partisan troll. Oh no siree. He’s an institutionalist and therefore neither right nor left.

I’d love to get you in the ring for 8 rounds Monst.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 7:19 pm
I am now declaring amnesty for anyone not currently under criminal investigation for all past and future crimes.

Except of course for the food addicted

JC

18 Nov 12 at 7:21 pm
He’s an institutionalist,

I sometimes think he belongs in one.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 7:23 pm
I think it will bring her down one way or another…the next 2 weeks will be very interesting..

Only the Senate is sitting this week, the House of Reps doesn’t sit until next week. So, time is a-wasting.

From the outset this week, Brandis and maybe Fierravanti-Wells need to be getting straight to the point with very direct and specific questions and statements about Slushy and the AWU fraud. That should be supplemented by more public ststements and questions during the week from Julie Bishop (door stops, press releases, etc).

Then, in the following week this should be escalated in both Houses and publicly to demand answers from Gillard to the direct and specific questions and highlight any attempts by her to avoid them.

Septimus

18 Nov 12 at 7:24 pm
Yea like a fat farm.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 7:24 pm
Listen Spat or Splat you ask me

and I am to be pardoned immediately for mixing up Uncle Milt with Uncle Mitt. You youngsters are so impatient. Wait till your own eyes go and whats worse is to be called “on the turps” because you spell bad with no specs.

You know Im vain. I dont like to think I need specs but I do. Wait till it happens to you youngsters. Id like to be around to laught at y’all.

“Btw have you evicted your rule breaking lazy son yet?

Answer NO. The rule breaking son is a stepson and is 32 years old. You try evicting a 32 year old stepson from his own unit. Im just on the exec because we (his father and I) stupidly bought another in the same block…

No I have to now deal with the complaints about the 32 year old rule breaking son and write formal letters on complaints and warnings to my own stepson (because he is an idiot) and for that I get “oh its all about you isnt it?”

I just reply, well er,,,no…its not all about me. Its all about other residents who are complaining about you selfish one.n
What else can I do Splat? Its bot a jailable offence or one where you can call the cops if a person buys a bulldog puppy in a small block of units.

You tell me what to do apart from fume and think “what an idiot my stepson is?”

Alice

18 Nov 12 at 7:32 pm
Anyway it seems Pat got hauled off to the funny farm by Sinc.

Alice

18 Nov 12 at 7:35 pm
Speaking of predictions, Dot, how is your prediction going that Gillard would be up on charges?

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 7:35 pm
Probably not a bad move (taking Pat off to the funny farm).

Alice

18 Nov 12 at 7:36 pm
Call the RSPCA Alice, it’s animal abuse, full grown dog in a unit.

candy

18 Nov 12 at 7:36 pm
Speaking of predictions, Dot, how is your prediction going that Gillard would be up on charges?

Slipper? You hypocritical oaf.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 7:38 pm
I’d love to get you in the ring for 8 rounds Monst.

LOL, that threat holds no water.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 7:40 pm
Septimus says

“‘Twas not pretty between midnight and dawn.”

Even I was shocked when I ws trying to eat my weetbix.

It was wild night

Mind you I dont mind that but some seriously were off their hinges and I think Sinc took the garbage out this morning.

Alice

18 Nov 12 at 7:41 pm
Candy I agree – its animal abuse bring up certain dogs in a unit (bar those dogs that are eg ornamental). This is a tiny bulldog puppy jst now but he sint going to be tiny for long.

Its so selfish.

Alice

18 Nov 12 at 7:43 pm
LOL, that threat holds no water.

It’s not a threat, it’s a challenge, you asshat. Lets do it Monst, lets go to the ring and do it properly with a ref etc and a fight doctor on hand.

Make an evening of it.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 7:47 pm
Speaking of predictions, Dot, how is your prediction going that Gillard would be up on charges?

She will be.

.

18 Nov 12 at 7:58 pm
Alright 2dogs, now some questions for you:

1. Given the investigation of Gillard’s past association with a client suspected of breaking the law, what objection do you have against investigation of Bishop’s past association with a client that had punitive damages of millions of dollars awarded against it to scores of workers who died in its employ?

2. Would you agree that given that the Australian newspaper has been bleating for weeks that other news outlets haven’t been covering the AWU story as much as they have, wouldn’t it be plainly hypocritical for them not to cover the (no doubt forthcoming) CSR story in as much forensic detail, including sending long questionnaires to Bishop on a weekly basis asking her to verify minute details of long ago events?

3. If no charges eventuate from this extended fishing expedition that Hedley Thomas et al are undertaking, do you think it will have been justified? In other words, if Hedley doesn’t find a smoking gun and bring down the government, what would you think the point of it all would have been?

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 7:58 pm
Lets do it Monst, lets go to the ring and do it properly with a ref etc and a fight doctor on hand.

What is it with the right and violence?

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 7:59 pm
3. If no charges eventuate from this extended fishing expedition that Hedley Thomas et al are undertaking, do you think it will have been justified? In other words, if Hedley doesn’t find a smoking gun and bring down the government, what would you think the point of it all would have been?

I’m sure Mc Clelland and Kernohan are doing it to divert News Corp from the failures of Rudd and Gillard. Lawls…

.

18 Nov 12 at 8:00 pm
Being right has nothing to do with “violence” Monty – thats a very long call – Ive seen the left get aggro in blogs too and no-one ever got hit (theres quite a lot of people I would have hit if I could fight but I am a lady – no comments from the back stalls here – Im not supposed to fight!!!).

Its not quite violence is it if JC asks you otside for a brawl on a blog now is it?

Alice

18 Nov 12 at 8:05 pm
BTW, that interview of Bishop by Bolt today was obviously rehearsed between the two beforehand. It reminded me strongly of a prosecution lawyer leading a plaintiff through their version of events.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 8:08 pm
diddums

blogstrop

18 Nov 12 at 8:09 pm
You mean like an ABC interview with any Labor or Green personality?

blogstrop

18 Nov 12 at 8:10 pm
You’re a card carrying dickhead JC.

sdfc

18 Nov 12 at 8:14 pm
You’re such a card, sdfc.

blogstrop

18 Nov 12 at 8:15 pm
She will be.

Mm hmm. About as much chance as Slipper regaining the speakership.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 8:18 pm
m0nty

1. I have no objection to this issue being looked at, and neither does Bishop. Ultimately, this issue is just like the Brian Walter’s beat up. In our adversarial legal system everyone gets a lawyer who defends them to the best of their ability.

2. The Australian has generally reported when there has been new evidence; there has been a fairly steady stream of that in the AWU scandal. What is the new evidence in the case against Bishop? But yes, if there was new evidence that Bishop may have acted illegally and the Australian sat on it, they would be hypocritical.

3. There are more people accused here than just Gillard. So if Hedley gets them but not Gillard and the government stands, some justice has been served. At the very least, we need to make a demonstration that justice is seen to be done and that the law applies to union officials.

2dogs

18 Nov 12 at 8:20 pm
<blockquote>Its not quite violence is it if JC asks you outside for a brawl [actually he challenged him to a boxing match, but that's neither here no there] on a blog now is it?

Good point, Alice.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 8:24 pm
You’re a card carrying dickhead JC.

STFU SDFC. anyone who thinks the global economy was saved because the Kenyan spent 800 billion on his constituencies is by definition a dickhead.

Monster is a mirthless oaf who deserves everything he gets.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 8:28 pm
TW, that interview of Bishop by Bolt today was obviously rehearsed between the two beforehand.

LOL.

C.L.

18 Nov 12 at 8:29 pm
“there are many record keeping regimes which would destroy records after that long”

The records are not missing due to archiving. For the court and the WA govt, archiving procedures leave audit trails. There is no record that of formal destruction of these records here.

2dogs

18 Nov 12 at 8:31 pm
Is Australia the most retarded enfeebled shithole on the planet?

The Fed Govt has just launched a $2million ad campaign to encourage people to buy travel insurance.

Why yes. Yes we are.

Infidel tiger

18 Nov 12 at 8:31 pm
The Fed Govt has just launched a $2million ad campaign to encourage people to buy travel insurance.

Why?

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 8:32 pm
Are they targeting illegal boat entry persons?

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 8:33 pm
After their successful foray into boosting the sea-faring travel business, are they now ready to launch their own travel agency + insurance?

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 8:34 pm
No, no hold your applause, I’ve got plenty more.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 8:36 pm
STFU SDFC. anyone who thinks the global economy was saved because the Kenyan spent 800 billion on his constituencies is by definition a dickhead.

Wait wait. Wo.

Obama ran up the deficits?

Lefties insist that Bush ran ‘em up.

Ergo, Bush saved capitalism.

C.L.

18 Nov 12 at 8:36 pm
mOron, I hope there is an investigation into Bishop and the ALP wankers end up looking stupider than ever. The reason there hasn’t been is because there is nothing to investigate. Fuck you are desperate.

The ALP are drowning. Eat some more doughnuts fatboy. Drive that 5 iron a hundred metres you poor cretin. But you do make me laugh boxhead. You’re an entertaining spoon at least. Not like those drongo halfbrothers of yours, the steves.

Tiny Dancer

18 Nov 12 at 8:39 pm
Question for Cat diet and food experts (which seems to be most people here)…

Golden Circle fruit juices – including those delicious mixed ones like apple and mango…

Are these healthy, the label saying “no added sugar” etc legit… better than soft drink?

What’s the scoop?

C.L.

18 Nov 12 at 8:40 pm
Healthy diet people recommend that you don’t drink fruit juice. It’s really sugar, even if there’s no added sugar (and when it’s packaged it may have added fruit juices which are sweeter so loaded with sugar).
The recommendation is that you eat fruit instead becuase that way you get the roughage.

kae

18 Nov 12 at 8:42 pm
By sugar I mean fructose from other juices. No added sugar means no cane sugar usually.

kae

18 Nov 12 at 8:43 pm
You tell me what to do apart from fume and think “what an idiot my stepson is?”

Don’t you have a body corporate to enforce pet rules?
If all else fails you could try witholding conjugal liberties from hubby until he knocks some sense into his son.

Splatacrobat

18 Nov 12 at 8:46 pm
drink water, eat fruit.

candy

18 Nov 12 at 8:46 pm
Sugar is sugar, CL.

For example

150ml of Golden Circle Pine mango Fruit Drink has 16.2g sugar.

150ml of Sprite Lemonade has 15.9g sugar.

So straight up, you’d be better off with the softdrink.

Or you could dilute the Fruit Drink with soda water. less sugar plus fizz.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 8:48 pm
Thanks guys. See you tomorrow.

blogstrop

18 Nov 12 at 8:54 pm
What is it with the right and violence?

/hides all the action films in the house

nilk

18 Nov 12 at 8:56 pm
Sweet poison

It’s all about fructose.

Splatacrobat

18 Nov 12 at 8:59 pm
The Golden Circle stuff is terrific with vodka.

Infidel tiger

18 Nov 12 at 9:05 pm
and vodka has < 0.2g/150ml sugar.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 9:06 pm
No, no hold your applause, I’ve got plenty more.

On fire Gab. Keep them coming.

Septimus

18 Nov 12 at 9:09 pm
Gab

18 Nov 12 at 9:15 pm
No sugar in scotch.

Sinclair Davidson

18 Nov 12 at 9:28 pm
1. I have no objection to this issue being looked at, and neither does Bishop. Ultimately, this issue is just like the Brian Walter’s beat up. In our adversarial legal system everyone gets a lawyer who defends them to the best of their ability.

Good then, I look forward to days and days and days of reports of forensic investigative journalism by the Oz and others about Bishop’s involvement in the Wittenoom case.

2. The Australian has generally reported when there has been new evidence; there has been a fairly steady stream of that in the AWU scandal. What is the new evidence in the case against Bishop? But yes, if there was new evidence that Bishop may have acted illegally and the Australian sat on it, they would be hypocritical.

All of the evidence, old and new, implicates Blewitt and Wilson. None of it implicates Gillard. Yet you lot want Blewitt to be granted immunity, to go after your political opponent for crass partisan advantage, all the while banging on about character. That is hypocrisy.

Bishop’s involvement with CSR potentially using underhanded tactics preventing justice for the Wittenoom victims goes to her character, just as with Gillard’s involvement with Wilson, since neither case actually involves criminal behaviour. To the extent that that should be important in the public’s eye, it deserves investigation. But no more. New evidence which does not implicate Gillard does not merit full page treatment.

3. There are more people accused here than just Gillard. So if Hedley gets them but not Gillard and the government stands, some justice has been served. At the very least, we need to make a demonstration that justice is seen to be done and that the law applies to union officials.

Given the huge amount of column space and prominence given to the story, surely that would be a failure. Anyway, you’re supposedly giving immunity to the bloke who allegedly committed the major crime, aren’t you? Hard to see who else you’ll bail up. Wilson? His life is stuffed already, he’s got nothing.

At this point, you lot need the head of Gillard on a plate before the election, or you’ll lose again. That’s what the stakes are now, given how the leadership of the Libs is now actively prosecuting the case. Bishop’s interview today was equivalent to Romney embracing birtherism.

m0nty

18 Nov 12 at 9:28 pm
I drink juice with fizzy springwater.

Noice. Half the sugar…

LOL

kae

18 Nov 12 at 9:30 pm
I drink soda water with lemon juice.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 9:32 pm
Bishop’s interview today was equivalent to Romney embracing birtherism.

Monty, get a meal and take a bath.

The internet will still be here when you get back.

C.L.

18 Nov 12 at 9:32 pm
Montym munted whatever

There’s nothing to investigate in the “Bishop case”.

She didn’t break any laws.

Truly, mOron would be a better moniker for you.

kae

18 Nov 12 at 9:33 pm
I assume mOnty has given up his teetotal ways.

Infidel tiger

18 Nov 12 at 9:39 pm
Gaia has called upon me to renew my efforts on climate change, by hitting my house with very big hail this afternoon. Some damage to pergola roof, but should not be expensive to fix. Some neighbours have broken windows. Any cars out in it would be a complete mess (hail a touch bigger than golf balls).

Storm occurred too late for much video on the evening news.

Maybe some burnt offerings are in order.

steve from brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 9:45 pm
1980s now that’s a reach, and Bishop did what?, followed her client’s instructions? Oh so that’s going to be the call these days, duelling files — only problem for Gillard is that Bishop opened a file, Gillard didn’t and acted for her lover in a matter which deceived her equity and salaried partners and their firm the AWU.

Gillard is unspeakable, pity she’s not unmentionable.

Tintarella di Luna

18 Nov 12 at 9:47 pm
m0nty I think the issue with Julie Bishop really is desperation by Labor.

Lawyers are employed to defend their client as far as legally possible.

If she is criticised for this then every Local Court criminal defendant lawyer is in favour of drink driving, wife beating and public urination.

DaveF

18 Nov 12 at 9:51 pm
OK, thanks.

‘Healthy’ juice drinks not actually healthy.

Got it.

C.L.

18 Nov 12 at 9:53 pm
All of the evidence, old and new, implicates Blewitt and Wilson. None of it implicates Gillard.

Undoubtedly why the files relating to this have been stolen, and why the coverup is underway.

Because the Lying Slapper ‘din do nuffins guv’. Yup, that’s why the files have been stolen.

Actually, Monty, she has committed a crime under WA state law. She misrepresented what Wilson’s entity was.
The Lying Slapper has already (inadvertently) admitted this.

Nice yowling in tune with the latest ALP talking point, though.

Mk50 of Brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 9:53 pm
hail a touch bigger than golf balls

thats a good point. We have media reports of hail ‘the size of golf balls’, ‘the size of cricket balls’ but nothing in between.

Squash balls?

A necterine?

Large peach?

The head of a shuttlecock for the smaller ones?

DaveF

18 Nov 12 at 9:54 pm
“At this point, you lot need the head of Gillard on a plate before the election, or you’ll lose again.”

Monty you’re probably right there, unless Coalition get their act together. it’ll be tight.

the julie Bishop thing tho, there’s nothing in that. just a lawyer doing what she’s paid to do legally and above board.

candy

18 Nov 12 at 9:57 pm
Also the stat dec witnessing is a real problem.

DaveF

18 Nov 12 at 9:57 pm
mOron FFS. That’s not funny, it’s boring. You sound like the desperate kid at school who never gets picked for a team.

Tiny Dancer

18 Nov 12 at 9:59 pm
Septimus: you been listening to any of Bear McCreary’s stuff?

His ‘The Differently Sentient’ is interesting, and the percussion in ‘Storming New Caprica’ is really cool. I am no fan of this TV series, but the music’s not half bad in some cases (a fair amount of it’s repetitive and so, boring).

I’ve decided tonite is Seventh Angel night.

Mk50 of Brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 10:05 pm
Folks, currently playing here is the New Radicals’ one and only album, released in 1998, ‘Maybe You’ve Been Brainwashed Too’.

Those unfamiliar with this group might recall their worldwide hit ‘You’ve Got The Music In You’ which was used by Mitsubishi Australia in TV adverts a couple of years ago.

Septimus

18 Nov 12 at 10:13 pm
Septimus I love that album. It’s on a regular rotation in the car amongst other fun stuff like gregorian chants, Weird Al and a few soundtracks (Hannah Montana and Sunshine of all things).

I drove through Scotland with You Get What You Give playing endlessly, so it’s one of my favourite driving songs.

nilk

18 Nov 12 at 10:20 pm
Its obvious that monty knows no more about the AWU scandal than he’s getting from Their ABC..

max49

18 Nov 12 at 10:24 pm
Septimus,

I love that song – you got the music in you. Don’t give up, you got a reason to live…. Good to hear a positive song. BUT, didn’t the New Radicals morph from the uber greenies band that sang Ship of Fools?

John Comnenus

18 Nov 12 at 10:25 pm
Walked around the Botanical Gardens this morning. There was a run for “Palestinian Human Rights” going on with every fucking leftwing moron doing the right thing.

750 rockets have fallen on Israel and these scum were running for the other side. They really are Hitler’s fucking children.

There’s a website too I notice.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 10:31 pm
I was just listening to this on the Tube.

Greatest song of the late 1970s:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHYOXyy1ToI

C.L.

18 Nov 12 at 10:32 pm
For example

150ml of Golden Circle Pine mango Fruit Drink has 16.2g sugar.

150ml of Sprite Lemonade has 15.9g sugar.

So straight up, you’d be better off with the softdrink.

The juice boxes aimed at kids are especially deadly, at least in the States. No wonder there are so many fat kids. Full of “all natural” (!) high-fructose corn syrup. My Mom does this gig at her church where she helps low-income parents plan shopping & healthy meals on low budgets/foodstamps, and when I was home for the election I was picking her up and got to sit in on the tail-end of a session for healthy low-cost kids’ snacks. She held up a brightly-colored juice box and pointed out that it had TWENTY-TWO grams of sugar. And these “healthy” “natural” “organic” yoghurt drinks they also aim at kids have THIRTY grams.

I’m not meaning to be unkind, but many low-income Americans are also very low-information shoppers, and with the kinds of foods they end up buying it’s really no wonder they and they kids are often very overweight. I think public schools would do well to bring back Home Ec classes.

sdog

18 Nov 12 at 10:33 pm
here’s a real curiosity. The archaeomusicians reckon they have a good handle on a Hurrian Zaluzi to the Plague god (or storm god?) of Ugarit.

Music 3,500 years old.

Michael levy has recorded it on lyre.

Mk50 of Brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 10:36 pm
Yeah Love Will Tear Us Apart was a special. I think it won the JJJ Hottest 100 once in the past.

No chance of that now since everything is political and their name….

If it was pushed up the nominations there would be Facebook protests with log ins from Melbourne to Timbuktu

DaveF

18 Nov 12 at 10:39 pm
American also eat a lot of carbs, Dog.

Food is also quite cheap there too I noticed again. I was going to my favorite deli and buying all sorts of stuff like imported French ham which was cheaper than the local stuff we buy here.

It was also truffle season in Europe so i had a couple of belly fulls of scrambled eggs with a sprinkling of truffle and a coupla pasta dishes, not at the same time of course.

The bread at this place was amazing. People were lined up for freaking bread. I think it’s some frog haunt that just opened in NYC.

Absolutely fucking delicious.

This comment will send Monster in a half crazed state of delirium seeing it’s about food.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 10:43 pm
That’s very interesting to know, Mk. So of course I had to check it out, it’s here. Still listening to music composed 1400BC is amazing. Not really my kind of music however this one was much more to my liking. “A Zaluzi to the Gods (Hurrian Hymn 6, copied by Ammurabi) – ( c. 1225 B.C.)” with vocals.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 10:46 pm
re: Bishop’s defence.

Michael Smith points to a useful tactic:

“Julie Bishop is on the record as saying she never had an affair with a client, she created files open to her partners, she billed for work, she didn’t deceive the corporate affairs commissioner, she didn’t create a false power of attorney and she is not guilty of misprison of felony”

She can add to that:
* I did not have an affair with any of my married colleagues – with or without children
* I was not a member of a society that accused married women of being prostitutes

I’m sure there’s more.

duncanm

18 Nov 12 at 10:46 pm
Oops Wrong link. That was the run for the murderous thugs link leftards were having in Melbourne today.

I meant this link.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 10:47 pm
Mk50,

Septimus: you been listening to any of Bear McCreary’s stuff?

No, I don’t have any of his stuff, but will look him up on the net later tonight. Thanks.

nilk,

Same here, I haven’t had the album long and am quite enjoying it. ‘You Get What You Give’ is very catchy.

I don’t have Weird Al, Hannah Montana or Sunshine, but do have some gregorian chants.

In the car at present are Bryan Adams’ ‘Spirit Stallion’ soundtrack, Eddie Reader ‘Love is the Way’ album, ‘Revolutionary Road’ soundtrack, Chris de Burgh ‘Footsteps’ album, + Ernesto Cortazar and Michael Bublé.

Septimus

18 Nov 12 at 10:53 pm
Also, JC, serving sizes when you’re eating out, especially at moderately-priced “family restaurant” chains, are humongous. We only ate out maybe once or twice a year when I was young, so maybe it’s always been that way and I’d just not noticed, but we’re talking huge portions for not a lot of money.

sdog

18 Nov 12 at 10:54 pm
Jesus H Christ. No one let Septimus near the record player at the Christmas Party.

Infidel tiger

18 Nov 12 at 10:57 pm
Dog

I had a 1/2 lobster with pasta dish for 37 bucks at an Upper Eastside joint and it was decent sized lobbie.

Lol, yea you’re right, the portions are freaking huge.. everywhere.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 10:58 pm
bwahahahahahahaaa…

Guardian throws Monbiot to the sharks.

I hope Lord M skins the lot of them.

Mk50 of Brisbane

18 Nov 12 at 11:00 pm
This comment will send Monster in a half crazed state of delirium seeing it’s about food.

Speaking of which, the pride of North Carolina: Krispy Krème Brûlée ;-P

“Chef Rodney Freidank’s Krispy Kreme crème brûlée elevates the humble doughnut to new heights. It incorporates half a dozen doughnuts (we never said it was good for you), pureed into a traditional base of cream, sugar, and egg yolks, then baked into a custard that mirrors the classic dessert in texture—but with that unmistakably familiar Krispy Kreme taste. The crunchy candy top is added just before serving with either a kitchen torch or a quick run under the broiler.”

Oooooohhhhh.

sdog

18 Nov 12 at 11:00 pm
I get my hair cut by this really cute 30′s gal. She’s an 8 I reckon and what makes it more interesting is that she’s a Queenslander too. She also does a great head message.

Anyways she was telling me that her boyfriend’s job is deep sea diving. He does work for oil companies.

The dude lives in a fucking compressed tank on a 28 rotation which has no windows or stuff like that.

I really didn’t know there were such jobs with those conditions. Fme.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 11:03 pm
oops.. 28 day rotation..

JC

18 Nov 12 at 11:05 pm
He calls himself a “Christian libertarian capitalist lunatic farmer”…

He’s turned the small rocky farm that couldn’t even support one family when his dad bought it in 1961 into a deep-soiled powerhouse that grosses $2 million a year and pays 22 salaries. All without a single bag of fertiliser.

http://m.theage.com.au/lifestyle/greener-pastures-20121112-2974z.html

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 11:15 pm
Walked around the Botanical Gardens this morning. There was a run for “Palestinian Human Rights” going on

So you just happened to participate in a Palestinian Human Rights fun run. Are you a sleeper agent, Joe, a boy from Beirut?

Scapula

18 Nov 12 at 11:16 pm
“Here Comes Scrappy Boo Boo!”

sdog

18 Nov 12 at 11:20 pm
Scrappy, Beirut is in Lebanon.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 11:22 pm
There’s a large diaspora Palestine refugee population in Lebanon, but I wouldn’t expect you to know any history, Gaby.

Scapula

18 Nov 12 at 11:27 pm
Gab I think that guy is puff piece central but:

In response to complaints about free-range methane production, Salatin has written, “Wetlands emit some 95 percent of all methane in the world; herbivores are insignificant enough to not even merit consideration. Anyone who really wants to stop methane needs to start draining wetlands. Quick, or we’ll all perish.

Now he’s my guy.

DaveF

18 Nov 12 at 11:28 pm
The ABC bum boys and m0nty are taking it right up the back side for McTernan.

Well done chaps. How does it feel?

Lazlo

18 Nov 12 at 11:29 pm
ummm not in Beirut, but I don’t expect you to know that, Scrappy Boo Boo.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 11:30 pm
There’s a large diaspora Palestine refugee population in Lebanon, but I wouldn’t expect you to know any history, Gaby.

Yes. They started the civil war in 1975. Nice..

Lazlo

18 Nov 12 at 11:31 pm
DaveF it’s an abysmal piece of “journalism” however Salatin’s story is interesting.

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 11:32 pm
Neilsen Poll:

According to the poll, the opposition would win 53 per cent of the vote (up one point since last month) and Labor would receive 47 per cent (down one point).

The poll, in Monday’s Fairfax newspapers, shows Labor’s national primary vote is steady on 34 per cent, while the coalition’s vote has risen by two points to 45 per cent, with the Greens up one point on 12 per cent.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/coalition-would-win-federal-election-poll/story-e6frfku9-1226519187375#ixzz2CZpRgJ4B

Gab

18 Nov 12 at 11:35 pm
John Comnenus,

didn’t the New Radicals morph from the uber greenies band that sang Ship of Fools

Don’t know that one. Apparently Gregg Alexander was the only permanent member and others just rotated through.

IT,

No one let Septimus near the record player at the Christmas Party

Heh heh. Nothing like a bit of variety.

After seeing Tintarella di Luna’s name here last Sunday morning I couldn’t get the song out of my head all day. I haven’t rushed out to buy any of Mina’s albums though.

Septimus

18 Nov 12 at 11:37 pm
So you just happened to participate in a Palestinian Human Rights fun run. Are you a sleeper agent, Joe, a boy from Beirut?

Why would you think I was participating, Bob, you stupid fuck? I said I wen there for a walk and the I Love Suicide Bombers fun run was on.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 11:38 pm
According to the poll, the opposition would win 53 per cent of the vote (up one point since last month) and Labor would receive 47 per cent (down one point).

So Abbott would thrash Gillard harder than an HSU credit card at a whorehouse.

Eat a dick Labor.

Infidel Tiger

18 Nov 12 at 11:39 pm
IT

They are within striking distance. There are a lot of gimmiethats here and they could turn it for the Liars party.

The west has gone left for the next decade at least I think and it’s going to be a boring dull planet.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 11:45 pm
Pretty sure this would happen just the same in Australia:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9669410/SAS-war-hero-jailed-after-betrayal.html

When a country gets to this point things like military service, charity, community service etc are simply not worth doing.

John Mc

18 Nov 12 at 11:45 pm
The west has gone left for the next decade at least I think and it’s going to be a boring dull planet.

Yes, the American bombs falling unhindered on the Palestinians is a sure side of the leftist credentials of the Obama White House.

Scapula

18 Nov 12 at 11:52 pm
Yes, the American bombs falling unhindered on the Palestinians is a sure side of the leftist credentials of the Obama White House

You’re off the meds again Bob.

JC

18 Nov 12 at 11:56 pm
Bob, why doesn’t Hamas just stop bombing? They’re not very good and they get the shit beaten out of them when they do.

Tiny Dancer

18 Nov 12 at 11:58 pm
Rococo Liberal

Can someone explain to me why the NDIS is necessary and why it will cost so much?
One geographical distribution:-
To maintain 2,000 people in their 103,000 sq km habitats, programs such as this are required to ‘close the gap’ and maintain the associated industry which has developed over some 40 years.

How many disabled people are there,
By all accounts there are 100,000 ‘traditional’ Aboriginal people subsisting in remote communities. They used to subsist on community development employment program (CDEP) tied (fed) grants which was counted as employed. This program was a misnomer and not real employment, though Pitjanjatjarra Council did lodge an award in the early 1980s.

Centrelink and the industry now place people in the usual categories of UB, disability or pension benefits. Since there is in reality no use of the Marriage Act in these areas and polygamy still occurs, most benefits are paid as single person entities (I presume).
This is much easier to distribute now as WESTPAC (the preferred banker for the CDEP program) swapped the entire population over in a matter of a months from a cash economy to an e-economy. c early 2000s.

These communities reportedly have the highest rates of renal and rheumatic heart disease, diabetes etc in the world. And disability in literacy & numeracy.

…that it should cost 7 billion more than the number first thought of for a single year?
Modelling of data that is not avail publicly in many cases, and the costs to correct the stuff ups and develop those pipe dreams for a northern utopia. Though I am not sure that many kids view it as utopia.

Jessie

19 Nov 12 at 12:02 am
Guardian will not pay Monbiot’s legal fees…

Ah lefties. LOL.

Solidarity bros.

C.L.

19 Nov 12 at 12:05 am
Israel’s wars are not started by anthing other than Israeli foreign policy (and electoral) objectves.

It doesn’t matter what Palestinians do as a pretext is always found.

Scapula

19 Nov 12 at 12:06 am
Why don’t the Palestinians who just want to get on with their lives just out the terrorist organisations and refuse to let them operate within their communities?

Just put your hand up and say “I want peace, I don’t believe rockets should be sent into Israel or people should martyr themselves, I’m happy to live with Jews and I respect their right to get on with their lives. It stops now. If you don’t feel the same then keep away from me because that makes you my enemy. I want to see you in jail and those walls pulled down.”

C’mon peace-loving Palestinians, it’s not that hard if you genuinely want it.

John Mc

19 Nov 12 at 12:07 am
Israel is at war with the Palestinians, not the other way around, so peace requires them to participate and they won’t.

Scapula

19 Nov 12 at 12:14 am
Last week, [when Hamas yet again broke the cease-fire agreement] Hamas began firing rockets into cities in Southern Israel, and today, in an exclusive interview with Breitbart News, Israeli Brigadier General Yossi Kuperwasser said “enough is enough.” Kuperwasser, Israel’s Director General of the Ministry for Strategic Affairs, confirmed media reports that 75,000 Israeli reservists have been okayed to mobilize for a ground invasion of Gaza, though he wouldn’t comment on whether he believed an invasion was inevitable.

However, Kuperwasser says the crisis isn’t about Gaza. He defined the latest conflict in plain terms: Hamas “wants to destroy Israel” and take over Tel Aviv. “For them, Tel Aviv is occupied territory.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/11/17/Yossi-Kuperwasser-interview

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 12:24 am
It’s amazing though, when the Palestinians stop shooting the Israelis also stop, but not the other way around.

If the Palestinians stopped long enough, the walls would come down. Yet they don’t seem to want to stop.

John Mc

19 Nov 12 at 12:25 am
Breitbart, Israeli Generals, asinine and spurious John (Lennon-style) pleading to give peace a chance- read some history, not right wing propaganda websites!

Scapula

19 Nov 12 at 12:29 am
lol you’re getting a tad stroppy, Scrappy!

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 12:31 am
Finally, a glimmer of good sense arrived:

Foreign Secretary William Hague has warned that a ground invasion of the Gaza Strip would lose Israel international sympathy and support.

Scapula

19 Nov 12 at 12:31 am
Scapula you are on a loser here.

Israel put up with a lot of attacks before moving it up.

Gee mate, they were rocketing schools.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 12:33 am
Wonder if Hamas has released the foreign journalists they “detained” a couple of days ago as they were leaving – or will Hamas just hang onto them and use them as human shields, like they do with children?

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 12:36 am
~~Foreign Secretary William Hague~~ virtually anyone within the sniff zone of a Nobel Peace Prize has warned that a ground invasion of the Gaza Strip would lose Israel international sympathy and support.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 12:36 am
Foreign Secretary William Hague has warned that a ground invasion of the Gaza Strip would lose Israel international sympathy and support.

WTF, Jews asserting themselves?!! Demanding a right to exist in peace!! Who do those dirty Shylocks think they are?

John Mc

19 Nov 12 at 12:40 am
JohnMc I don’t think its a Jew thing, just a general ‘weak people’ thing.

Poor people should be given what they want.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 12:45 am
Foreign journalists were just bombed out of existence when Israel decided to attack media centres in Gaza.

Scapula

19 Nov 12 at 12:46 am
Scrappy Boo Boo is just trolling, guys.

sdog

19 Nov 12 at 12:49 am
Yes i agree sdog.

The ‘media centre’ that was attacked was a hotel. The media there were Arab stations, the BBC didn’t ask which country.

I think they did and it was covered up.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 1:14 am
Is anyone still awake for some music? This is pretty neat:

An Impossible Duet, Miles Davis Improvising on LCD Soundsystem

“New York I Love You But You’re Bringing Me Down” vs. “Elevator To The Gallows”

sdog

19 Nov 12 at 1:27 am
Foreign journalists were just bombed out of existence when Israel decided to attack media centres in Gaza.

When the truth comes out it is just as likely that Hamas was using the media centre to launch their rockets and the injured journalists were just unsuspecting human shields. It’s not the first time: watch Hamas launches missile from beneath TV studio.

Cold-Hands

19 Nov 12 at 1:34 am
OK, if this is going to be an “enable & encourage the pathological attention-seeking troll” night, I’m out. C ya.

sdog

19 Nov 12 at 1:44 am
Well done, team. An overnight un-sensation.

Blogstrop

19 Nov 12 at 6:16 am
Bob Ellis has a good command of language and at times a palpable sense of history, at least Australian sociological, and certainly filmic history, having been a scriptwriter for some of them.
I think it’s being way too kind to attribute any skill level to Scrofula, whose juvenile attempts at trolling are pathetic. The real bob could do a much better job, I’m sure.

Blogstrop

19 Nov 12 at 6:22 am
Yeah, it’s not Ellis. Ellis is fucking nuts but can write.

Abu Chowdah

19 Nov 12 at 6:25 am
All the trolls who want to bang on about Palestine should read this latest piece at Belmont Club, then, if capable of thought, reflect deeply on it for a while, and do some growing up.
Link.

Blogstrop

19 Nov 12 at 6:39 am
Gab says

”

The Fed Govt has just launched a $2million ad campaign to encourage people to buy travel insurance.

Why?

Because that government just loves helping the insurance industry. It was State Labor that fattened the coffers of Suncorp a known Labor donator with the insane and ridiculous home warranty insurance which added to building costs and the consumer actually got no insurance (despite paying for it) unless the builder died or went bankrupt. In addition it wiped out a lot of builders when HIH collapsed.

It was money for nothing to their insurance mates courtesy of a Labor Govt.

It seems to me this is similar. If people dont buy travel insurance they cop the costs so why else would the government be spruiking travel insurance like a street hawker unless someone from the insurance industry was whispering in their ear?

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 6:45 am
Another green scheme shrivels in the dust as symbolism without practicality once again proves to be no more than a way to flush money down the toilet while pandering to green voters. No hallelujahs from this particular Leonard Cohen.
Link.

Blogstrop

19 Nov 12 at 6:50 am
Gab – you were doing well. I just noticed

“are they targetting illegal boat entry people?”

Wicked LOL

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 6:55 am
Golly, that Cassandra Wilkinson is smart as a whip.

I approve.

Abu Chowdah

19 Nov 12 at 6:56 am
Id like to know what business the government has spending our taxes spruiking a private firms products as well (Travel insurance)

No damn business at all unless its about sucking money from the insurance company into their donation coffers I suspect.

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 7:00 am
It’s Windmillering Heights on the Yorkshire moors, stamping ground of the Brontes. James Delingpole tilts at windmills in print and in local elections, and the wind direction may be turning in conservative ranks. Not before a huge travesty has been visited on the landscape, the budget, and the public consciousness via this fools paradise scheme of alternative energy that costs a fortune and doesn’t work properly.
Link.

Blogstrop

19 Nov 12 at 7:03 am
The Fed Govt has just launched a $2million ad campaign to encourage people to buy travel insurance.

Why?

Might be because of the increasing cost to the government of rescuing the ever larger number of Australians overseas who expect the government to step in when they get into difficulties. Although, given the government’s attitude to restraining costs generally, this is an unlikely scenario.

Megan

19 Nov 12 at 7:26 am
You’ve got to love Australian democracy. The burghers of New South Wales – well, a handful of them – voted to put Lee Rhiannon in the Senate. She has received a bit of publicity since, has caused a few waves, but now her time has come – a cause she can lead from the front. Yes, Australia’s leading apologist for indiscriminate rocket fire into civilian areas now gets the chance to shriek from the rooftops her views that Israelis do not have the right to exist.

This, people, is the price of democracy. We who did not vote for her have to grit our teeth while we hear genuine hate speech – as opposed to the reflexive use of that epithet by the left to shout down opinions they dispute – spouted knowingly by a member of the Australian Parliament.

James in Melbourne

19 Nov 12 at 8:18 am
Yes, Australia’s leading apologist for indiscriminate rocket fire into civilian areas now gets the chance to shriek from the rooftops her views that Israelis do not have the right to exist.

Good. Now even the rusted on idiots will see what voting green gets you.

jupes

19 Nov 12 at 8:32 am
The Fed Govt has just launched a $2million ad campaign to encourage people to buy travel insurance.

Why?

Smart policy. Work to push the astronomical costs onto the people involved.

I thought that was done post 9/11 in combination with the Smart Traveller campaign during the Howard years to provide people with the resources to help themselves when they got in trouble overseas.

Might be because of the increasing cost to the government of rescuing the ever larger number of Australians overseas who expect the government to step in when they get into difficulties.

The Australians who returned Lebanon and found themselves (was that in ’07?) in a war zone thought the government was obliged to run a taxi service for them.

Seems like they were flagging where the Labor gov would take foreign policy.

Token

19 Nov 12 at 8:39 am
Lee Rhiannon also received financial reward from the Soviet Union during the Cold War, when they had nuclear missiles pointed at us.

.

19 Nov 12 at 8:43 am
US football post has been updated with a match report on the game last night won by Syracuse 31 over the Uni of Missouri 27.

Rafe Champion

19 Nov 12 at 9:01 am
sdog,

Is anyone still awake for some music? This is pretty neat:

An Impossible Duet, Miles Davis Improvising on LCD Soundsystem

“New York I Love You But You’re Bringing Me Down” vs. “Elevator To The Gallows”

Catching ‘zzz’s at 1.27am Monday here – was only 9.27am Sunday for you? Followed the link this morning and enjoyed it – very neat. Miles Davis is excellent – I think I have something of his on a compilation CD.

Septimus

19 Nov 12 at 9:33 am
Talk about burying the lead! Gillard’s use of religion to demonise Abbott has made no impression on the 2PP but Michelle Grattan dutifully supports the government talking points and goes for the non-story:

ALMOST every Australian voter backs the royal commission on child sex abuse in an Age-Nielsen poll that shows little change in support for the parties or leaders.
An extraordinary 95 per cent support the inquiry, which has bipartisan backing although it does not as yet have terms of reference. It is highly unusual for a political decision to have such a level of support.
The Coalition would win an election held now on a two-party vote of 53 per cent (up a point since last month) to 47 per cent (down one point). In Victoria, the split is 50-50.
Labor’s national primary vote is steady on 34 per cent, while the Coalition’s vote has risen by 2 points to 45 per cent, and the Greens are up one to 12 per cent.
This is the third consecutive month that Labor been stuck on 34 per cent, after earlier rises. Pollster John Stirton said while this was the first time in several months that the Coalition’s two-party vote had risen, it was too early to say whether the trend to Labor – which has heartened caucus and shored up Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s leadership – had run its course.

RTWT. There’s far more critical info in the results of secondary questions asked — the air tax is a vote-eating dog, Shane Wand under pressure from voters to deliver a surplus he probably won’t, etc.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 9:49 am
[Max - please none of this. First one of the people you named may be an idiot but he has not committed any crime. Second there is no evidence that the political party you named was involved in any criminal activity. Sinc]

Max

19 Nov 12 at 10:02 am
The ABC are running strong today on Flannery’s latest warning about species extinction. It turns out that national parks are useless, and that (what a surprise) more money and management (aka public service jobs) are required. It was unusual and nice to see him avoid all mention of climate change, but that dusky airhead eye-candy lady on ABC TV’s morning news program made repeated efforts to bring the twin evils of da Gas Hub and Development into it. He at least resisted that.
Of course the dose was repeated on local radio 702 with Linda Mottram.

blogstrop

19 Nov 12 at 10:25 am
It seems to me this is similar. If people dont buy travel insurance they cop the costs so why else would the government be spruiking travel insurance like a street hawker unless someone from the insurance industry was whispering in their ear?

The government will probably end up picking up medical costs, at least in the short term, if an Australian needs it and is uninsured. Although they legally don’t have to, public pressure results in them doing so. And if say the person is young and has no assets the government will never get their money back. Its not unlikely that spending a bit of money on advertising in the short term is going to save them money in the long term.

Chris

19 Nov 12 at 10:42 am
Labor kills 2.5 million trees:

ONE of the nation’s largest tree planting schemes has become an expensive failure with the majority of the 2.5 million trees planted under the River Murray Forest project now dead because of poor planning, drought and a ban on watering.

Former premier Mike Rann allocated $5.7 million to the scheme in a bid to woo the Greens before the 2007 South Australian election…

At the 2007 program launch the former premier also pushed the eco benefits of the plantings, saying the natives, once established, would absorb 12,800 tonnes of carbon dioxide, equal to taking 35,000 cars off the road.

C.L.

19 Nov 12 at 10:50 am
The net worth of the General Government sector is a negative net asset position of $251,312 million at 31 August 2012.

Absolutely staggering incompetence and mismanagement.

Jail the bastards.

Rabz

19 Nov 12 at 11:00 am
ONE of the nation’s largest tree planting schemes has become an expensive failure with the majority of the 2.5 million trees planted under the River Murray Forest project now dead

If they sold “carbon credits” based on those trees, what happens next? Surely the certificates must all be cancelled, since the CO2 is no longer going to be absorbed, but do the hapless buyers have to eat the loss or can they sue the seller to get their money back?

sdog

19 Nov 12 at 11:00 am
Today, November 19th, is World Toilet Day!

Septimus

19 Nov 12 at 11:06 am
Cut and Paste reveals why Ol’ Leathery isn’t a part of the Love Media for nothing,

CASSIDY: I want to move on to the Slater & Gordon matter now that won’t go away . . . Julie Bishop did say there that the Prime Minister is not being honest, in other words she’s accusing her of lying, but where, in what way is she lying over this? . . . They’re demanding answers to that. Now, what right has the media, or anybody else — the question is, did $5000 exist and did it change hands? If partners regularly exchange money, does the media have a right to demand to know the details of a transfer such as that?

Well I suppose if one of the partners is alleged to have used money defrauded from their union employer into a bogus slush fund established by the current PM using potentially misleading documents which have gone missing from the State archives and who was then constructively dismissed from the legal partnership perhaps we could ask some question, eh Leathery?

H B Bear

19 Nov 12 at 11:07 am
Julie Bishop destroys Gillard again:

I was advised by the best on asbestos cases, says Julie Bishop.

LIE Bishop has revealed she was advised by two of the nation’s most senior barristers – including the current High Court Chief Justice – on the asbestos cases she has been accused by the government of attempting to delay through legal manoeuvres.

The Deputy Opposition Leader also yesterday demanded an official investigation into the disappearance of documents relating to the union “slush fund” which Julia Gillard helped establish 20 years ago.

She’s now calling in the police:

Ms Bishop called on the West Australian government to investigate why public documents relating to the AWU Workplace Reform Association were missing from the official file held by the State Records Office in Perth.

Ms Bishop also said she would seek a police investigation into why documents were missing relating to the fund from the Federal Court registry in Brisbane if they were not located by the end of the week.

“Unless these files are located very quickly, I’ll be calling on the police to launch an urgent investigation into these missing files to avoid the further destruction of evidence which might implicate a number of people in the AWU fraud scandal.”

C.L.

19 Nov 12 at 11:21 am
The net worth of the General Government sector is a negative net asset position of $251,312 million at 31 August 2012

.

Labor’s debt binge is the greatest single act of financial vandalism in 20 years. It has almost single-handedly led to the dramatic overvaluation of the AUD, which is destroying Australian manufacturing employment and with it consumer confidence. Then add the IR debacle, the perception of rampant corruption and the fact that not one of the rabble has a clue how business works.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 12:06 pm
CL says
“ONE of the nation’s largest tree planting schemes has become an expensive failure with the majority of the 2.5 million trees planted under the River Murray Forest project now dead because of poor planning, drought and a ban on watering. ”

Well you cant plant that many trees and then not water them intensely for a couple of months to keep them alive and I’ll bet thats what they did and why they are now dead.

Call Don Burke. He would tell them how to plant and grow trees.

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 12:34 pm
Wow ABC radio just woke up to the 5 grand payoff to Gillard!

2 sentences summarising it then a denial from Gillard then…Julie Bishop.

Shameless.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 12:34 pm
Yes, DaveF. The ABC has the gun and gillard gives it the bullets to fire.

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 12:36 pm
I object to the intrusion of insurance into every aspect of daily life. Next they will be spruiking insurance against your insurance company going under and then insurance for the insurance for the insurance company going under.

Anyway most insurance companies specialise in notsureance as far as I can see.

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 12:40 pm
And I don’t want to keep banging on this drum but the next story was about the QLD hailstorms and they noted the hail was “the size of golf balls [somwhere] and as big as cricket balls in Ipswich”

C’mon media it doesn’t just come in 2 sizes!

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 12:45 pm
Alice – yes there is some pretty wild insurance out there. I worked on the HIH liquidation and some of the exotic stuff they were selling was amusing.

In a way it made sense but unfortunately they didn’t know anything about what they were selling so it was a crap shoot.

Wimbeldon rain insurance for example and various insurance in PNG which was a country with a risk profile they didn’t understand, apparently.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 12:49 pm
gillard does it again. Threats to silence the media.

TENSIONS between the media and Julia Gillard over her involvement in the AWU slush fund scandal are rumoured to have escalated with a complaint from the PM to Fairfax Media chief executive Greg Hywood over reporting of the matter by The Age’s editor-at-large Mark Baker.

Diary spoke with both Hywood and Baker about the claim of a complaint with very diplomatic responses. Hywood told Diary he could not possibly confirm or deny any conversation with the PM or her office, while Baker said simply: “I can’t talk about that.”

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 12:59 pm
If they sold “carbon credits” based on those trees, what happens next? Surely the certificates must all be cancelled, since the CO2 is no longer going to be absorbed…

I remember politely asking a company that was promoting it was carbon neutral whether they can provide:

1. The location of the trees
2. A document noting the area of trees allocated to the company
3. Photos to prove the trees were planted
4. A recent photo

The answer was no, you can’t ask those questions.

I believe there is a bit of False & Misleading Conduct that needs to be addressed over this con job.

Token

19 Nov 12 at 1:00 pm
PM to Fairfax Media chief executive Greg Hywood over reporting of the matter by The Age’s editor-at-large Mark Baker

The first notice Fairfax take of the story and she spits the dummy?

FMD she must have the Editor of the Oz on speed dial.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 1:03 pm
Ms Bishop also said she would seek a police investigation into why documents were missing relating to the fund from the Federal Court registry in Brisbane if they were not located by the end of the week.

By the end of the week? You can expect the shredders to be working overtime from now until then so there won’t be anything to locate.

Septimus

19 Nov 12 at 1:04 pm
… while Baker said simply: ~~“I can’t talk about that.”~~ “The Dragon’s got me by the balls.”

Rabz

19 Nov 12 at 1:09 pm
“Next they will be spruiking insurance against your insurance company going under”

Alice, re-insurance is about as old as insurance itself.

Jarrah

19 Nov 12 at 1:10 pm
gillard does it again. Threats to silence the media.

You’ve got to assume Mark Baker knew this is coming.

Question, does he want FauxFaxts to give him a redundancy? Seems he has leverage to ask for what he wants now.

Token

19 Nov 12 at 1:12 pm
Photos to prove the trees were planted

Dear Tokes,

In regard to your query about photographic proof of the trees, here are some snaps.

Yours in Carbon Neutrality,

Wally Bullcrapper

Rabz

19 Nov 12 at 1:13 pm
Oh My

I have just noticed Mr Michael Costa has launched an indignant letter to the editor in todays SMH that goes like this

“You claim that lobbying by Eddie Obeid convinced me that leases at Circular Quay should not be put to public tender is absurd…bla bla bla…this was a sensible administrative reform to reduce government inefficiency and waste.”

Actually as I recall it – it was the voters who finally reduced the government waste and inefficiency and they threw the prior state labor government garbage out conclusively and with a vehemence rarely seen in Australian politics. I think it was warranted.
Even now the stink of that party and its private deal making lingers.

As I also recall it from newspaper artices re a certain dealing over a union owned property on Pittwater that was somehow sold very cheaply and purchased a few weeks later at more like its market values by if not friends, then certainly associates of said writer?

And maybe this is one time you can take the word of communist workers seeing as workers (union members) may actually have purchased this workers holiday cottage?

http://www.cpa.org.au/guardian/2011/1491/04-currawong-struggle.html

I would appreciate the indignance of Mr Costa’s letter more if I felt it was genuine.

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 1:15 pm
In regard to your query about photographic proof of the trees, here are some snaps.

Wow Wally, that forest really does look like it is in the lower Murray, betwen Mildura and Renmark, like you stated before I started asking questions.

Token

19 Nov 12 at 1:17 pm
should say above ‘was somehow sold very cheaply if not to friends, then certainly associates of said writer?’

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 1:25 pm
Dear Tokes,

In regard to your query about photographic proof of the trees, here is one of them. They all pretty much look alike anyway.

Yours in Carbon Neutrality,

Little Gracie

sdog

19 Nov 12 at 1:26 pm
Will ICAC ever get to Currawong matter and what did happen to Tony Kelly and Warwick Watkins? Either of them in jail yet?

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 1:27 pm
Dear Tokes,

It is with great pleasure I note your appreciation of the planted trees.

For your further edification, here are some snaps of our world famous carbon neutral poley bears.

Yours in Carbon Neutrality,

Wally Bullcrapper

Rabz

19 Nov 12 at 1:27 pm
Re: the $2.5 million dead trees – notice how close the saplings are planted to each other? And no watering? It doesn’t take a genius to predict the trees would die before long.

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 1:28 pm
Gab

even in Niger they can get tree growing right…
here we have goats planting them

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/8640824/Just-10-inches-from-oblivion.html

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 1:33 pm
We may feel hard done by getting Obama back. But has anyone investigated the Mormon menace?

Nick De Cusa

19 Nov 12 at 1:41 pm
Yours in Carbon Neutrality,

Little Gracie

We were all very disappointed that Chinese ignored your inspiring words as read out by our Prime Minister Mr Rudd and ratf***ed the talks.

We were also disappointed that Mr Rudd is no longer PM as he was ratf***ed Ms Gillard.

It must have been unsettling times for a 6 year old.

Good to hear that you are still passionate about the Carbin Crusade little Gracie and thank you for the wonderful picture of the tree.

Token

19 Nov 12 at 1:42 pm
Former premier Mike Rann allocated $5.7 million to the scheme in a bid to woo the Greens before the 2007 South Australian election…

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/labor_minister_we_want_your_jobs_to_save_our_seats_from_the_greens/#commentsmore

Ivan Denisovich

19 Nov 12 at 1:44 pm
This year alone, at least 1500 rockets have now been fired on Israel from Gaza, with about 12,000 fired in the past 12 years…

In response to this incessant terror, last week Israel began Operation Pillar of Defence, starting with the elimination of Ahmed Jabari, one of the leaders of Hamas. Jabari was an arch-terrorist directly responsible for planning, orchestrating and personally ordering countless terrorist bombings, rocket attacks and suicide operations, which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of innocent Israelis.

But here is why I’m angry.

I’m angry that the world notices only when Israel undertakes its most basic sovereign right to defend its citizens. Can you imagine if even one rocket were fired on Washington, London, Moscow or Sydney? …

I’m angry that there are those who continue to call for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions against the Jewish State, such as those in the Greens Party, but are silent in the face of Palestinian terror.

The Greens should go to Gaza to show their support directly.

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 1:55 pm
gillard does it again. Threats to silence the media.

Under Julia Gillard and Steven Conroys proposed press licensing regime this matter would have never been heard of with her not being required to “complain” to the paper or like us peons have to – a court, but instead simply lodging a complaint about an invasion of her “privacy” to her government controlled “council” stacked with ALP stooges (see ACMA, FWA, the AFP, etc).

These stooges would have then “investigated” the matter. Apparently we are to believe that this government department will have better investigative abilities than News Ltd and Fairfax do (and in many cases even the police) and will “determine” whether a story such as this, or Craig Thompsons is “true” or not and so whether it is “allowed” to be published.

Both Gillards and Thompsons stories would have been suppressed.

twostix

19 Nov 12 at 1:56 pm
And the matters will never be heard of again in 2013 as the Finkelstein review comes into force at the end of 2012. Conveniently.

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 1:59 pm
Greens: ‘Hey, let’s kill old people.’

Greens in new euthanasia push.

C.L.

19 Nov 12 at 2:12 pm
“Parliamentary inquiry after parliamentary inquiry has found that euthanasia cannot be made safe for vulnerable people who might be pressured into prematurely ending their lives,” he said. “Nothing has changed to refute this evidence yet the greens keep coming back.”

The despicable genocidal totalitarian dirtbags.

Rabz

19 Nov 12 at 2:18 pm
LIE Bishop has revealed she was advised….

Freudian slip?

SteveC

19 Nov 12 at 2:20 pm
“Nothing has changed to refute this evidence yet the greens keep coming back.”

Well yes, how else to save the planet than by getting rid of those pesky humans?

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 2:25 pm
I fail to understand why older people seem unable to do some research and do the job themselves. There are a couple of methods that are really simple and painless.

The people who are bedridden and unable to act themselves will have to suck it up I’m afraid. Or ask their family to supply the means to do it themselves.

The deal breaker to me is the conflict of interest.

Even if you love old Mum you have a financial stake in her going to heaven ASAP. And you can be sure your wife/husband has even less of a stake in her being around.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 2:25 pm
No just despicable you stepford. Go get a Job or start be housework for the week

Jc　

19 Nov 12 at 2:29 pm
Even if you love old Mum

That was clumsy. Please read:

You can love old Mum to bits but you still have…etc

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 2:31 pm
Essential Poll:

FP: 46% LNP (+1); 36% (-1) ALP

2PP: 53% LNP (+1); 47% (-1) ALP

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 3:19 pm
So if an election were held today Tony Abbot would whip Gillard harder than a donkey at a Tijuana sex show?

Cool.

Infidel Tiger

19 Nov 12 at 3:29 pm
Are you sure references to a Catholic flagellation is wise in the current circumstance?

Scapula

19 Nov 12 at 3:49 pm
More on the misguided and misguiding BBC from Christopher Booker, and again the ABC resembles it in mini-me form:

How was it that, over the past six years, the BBC has been so ready to betray its statutory duty to impartiality by such relentlessly one-sided promotion of the scare over global warming and all it entails, such as the Government’s policy on wind farms? No organisation has done more to obscure the truth about an issue whose political and financial implications for us all are incalculable.

blogstrop

19 Nov 12 at 3:52 pm
Because science is science and fossil-fuel funded propaganda is not.

Scapula

19 Nov 12 at 4:01 pm
Because science is science and fossil-fuel funded propaganda is not.

lol

twostix

19 Nov 12 at 4:09 pm
Try harder, Sloganula. That’s pathetic.

blogstrop

19 Nov 12 at 5:15 pm
Because science is science …

You’re funnier than Fleet Street comedienne Georgina Monbiot, Crapula. Still, credit where it’s due: a bunch of activists with environmental studies diplomas almost pulled off a communist revolution.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 5:46 pm
Sorry guys you didn’t listen to ABC’s PM…The head of the World Bank says the science is in and action is required. Preferably today.

Oh, its gonna be 4 degrees and the models break down at that magnitude.

Doomed. May as well take up smoking again no point in healthy living when you have nowhere safe to live.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 6:13 pm
The IEA and the World Bank, not exactly communists, agree about climate change but Australian-reading spivs do not.

Scapula

19 Nov 12 at 6:26 pm
DaveF
Surfings gunna be better, so get ya board and wait 90 years.

jumpnmcar

19 Nov 12 at 6:33 pm
I know a bloke that moved from Tasmania to Nth QLD.
Now THAT is changing climates.
Remarkably he’s still alive.

jumpnmcar

19 Nov 12 at 6:38 pm
So now Crapulon the racist anti-semite is an expert on AGW/ Well, we can add gullible cultist to his sterling list of characters, then.

Mk50 of Brisbane

19 Nov 12 at 6:40 pm
Hey, how come more people don’t have commercial grade meat slicers at home?

It seems to be a far more useful item than most kitchen equipment and yet I don’t think I’ve ever seen one in anyone’s home.

Infidel Tiger

19 Nov 12 at 6:50 pm
jump you mentioned it to the right guy, I live at the next beach up from Tom Carroll’s beach. Not sure if he still lives at Newport though.

The article is tosh (imagine the ABC getting it wrong) as beaches change all the time. Every big storm leads to sand being washed out and the profile of the waves change, then eventually changes back to a new equilibrium.

We’re doomed I tell you. The very conservative – must be true both Mark Colvin and the carpetbagger from The Climate Institute said that…oh and Scapula implied it as well – World Bank head said so.

Me, I’ve always wondered what it’s like to have a smack habit.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 6:51 pm
Oops, missed this

But a rising sea would probably give back as much as it takes. Just a few kilometres north of Newport, the rocky point at the south end of Avalon Beach usually breaks best from mid to high tide so the waves here are likely to improve.

I’m sweet then.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 6:56 pm
Probably need a to do a H&S course before you could use one at home,IT

Tal

19 Nov 12 at 7:08 pm
The World Bank report is just the same old by the usual suspects:

“Turn Down the Heat: Why a 4 deg C Warmer World Must Be Avoided.” (Nov. 2012, 108 pgs.)
A Report for the World Bank by the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research and Climate Analytics
(it has a tree-ring cross section on the cover).

The Potsdam Institute has been predicting the end of the world for years and years, and is notoriously impervious to boring facts like the lack of warming since 1998 and the failure of sea level rise to accelerate and drown us all. It has about as much credibility as Tim Flannery.

The World Bank, like the UN and other organisations dedicated to over-riding national sovereignity, has found CAGW to be a snug fit with its wider objectives.

It has about as much integrity as the BBC when it comes to pushing its agenda irrespective of the facts.

johanna

19 Nov 12 at 7:08 pm
Anyone on QandA duty tonight?

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 7:13 pm
Hey, how come more people don’t have commercial grade meat slicers at home?

It seems to be a far more useful item than most kitchen equipment and yet I don’t think I’ve ever seen one in anyone’s home.

One of the oddest “out of the blue” comments that I have ever noticed here.

Men with a desire to have their own private commercial grade butcher’s gear in the garage are usually viewed with some suspicion, are they not?

steve from brisbane

19 Nov 12 at 7:13 pm
And more responsible use of responsible use of taxpayers’ funds.

I wonder if they’ll be supportive of catholics during the coming pogrom?

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 7:15 pm
Can you do it again nilk?

Tal

19 Nov 12 at 7:18 pm
Men with a desire to have their own private commercial grade butcher’s gear in the garage are usually viewed with some suspicion, are they not?

Yes, indeed, Dogshit!!! And IT is one of ours. So proud.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 7:20 pm
Fun pic from facebook.

Underbelly. The Canberra Connection.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 7:30 pm
He said “kitchen ” fuck-knuckle sfb, not ” garage “

jumpnmcar

19 Nov 12 at 7:31 pm
Chris O on dealing with discriminatory comments.

“Two Chinese women were speaking in their language on the Belgrave line train, and a man told them to “shutup and speak Australian” – or words to that effect. Not wanting to let this stand, I stood up and said loudly “They can speak whatever language they want, this is Australia – its a free country”. Unfortunately, he took this rather badly, and proceeded to threaten me! Luckily, he had to get off at the next stop so nothing physical eventuated. Opposing hatred can sometimes be a dicey propositi”

Indeed it can, Chris O, indeed it can.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 7:31 pm
Ok lets try again – you buggers at the Cats never noticed this post??

Oh My

I have just noticed Mr Michael Costa has launched an indignant letter to the editor in todays SMH that goes like this

“You claim that lobbying by Eddie Obeid convinced me that leases at Circular Quay should not be put to public tender is absurd…bla bla bla…this was a sensible administrative reform to reduce government inefficiency and waste.”

Actually as I recall it – it was the voters who finally reduced the government waste and inefficiency and they threw the prior state labor government garbage out conclusively and with a vehemence rarely seen in Australian politics. I think it was warranted.
Even now the stink of that party and its private deal making lingers.

As I also recall it from newspaper artices re a certain dealing over a union owned property on Pittwater that was somehow sold very cheaply and purchased a few weeks later at more like its market values by if not friends, then certainly associates of said writer?

And maybe this is one time you can take the word of communist workers seeing as workers (union members) may actually have purchased this workers holiday cottage?

http://www.cpa.org.au/guardian/2011/1491/04-currawong-struggle.html

I would appreciate the indignance of Mr Costa’s letter more if I felt it was genuine.

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 7:35 pm
Davef – I live four beaches down from you.

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 7:37 pm
Great link nilk.

But I kinda hate visiting FB, they have my details so target ads to me.

Online Dating
Meet Thai Women
Boyfriend Wanted

ouch.

On a positive note there was nothing about home butchery tools.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 7:37 pm
Alice:

Mona Vale.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 7:38 pm
Hey Judith Sloan is on Q&A tonight

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 7:42 pm
Nah Dave F. If you are Newport I counted 1) bungan 2) warriewood 3( Narra and 4 ) Collaroy (thats me)

But I left oot Bilgola so I gave you the wrong count LOL!

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 7:44 pm
One of the oddest “out of the blue” comments that I have ever noticed here.

I just bought some sliced meat from the deli and thought I could really do with a meat slicer at home.

I am going to endeavour to derail every open thread to a new and bizarre subject. Stay tuned.

Infidel Tiger

19 Nov 12 at 7:47 pm
Beautifully explained:

Twitter (is) an ingeniously simple online publishing platform that ought be the perfect place for normal people to express themselves in posts of 140 characters or fewer. Naturally, leftists in Australia and elsewhere have turned it into a witless sewer of defamatory slurs.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 7:48 pm
Anyway DaveF – clearly a beachie like me. Nothing like it is there. Move here, cant ever leave even in the seas rise (and maybe if the seas rise!)

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 7:48 pm
Yeah, I can do QandA. Plus, Judith is on, so it should be bearable.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 7:49 pm
Which is the greater feeling – An orgasm or the unblocking of an ear?

Infidel Tiger

19 Nov 12 at 7:57 pm
Av here
so
Bilgola
Newie
Bungan
hence Mona. But Collaroy is near enough on the information superhighway.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 8:00 pm
Actually Judith Sloan, Heather Riddout AND Malcolm Turnbull. The economic rationalists/conservatives will lord it over KRudd.

/snarc.

Still the usual set up. One to 4 (includes that Jones fellow).

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 8:04 pm
Yes Tom, @jca12345 was always good for a laugh and a good slur.

SteveC

19 Nov 12 at 8:04 pm
6 down it is

add Narra and thats it – Collaroy.
Yeah ts near enough. We dont travel far from here and I dont know about you but we (in my house) rarely cross the harbour bridge!

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 8:07 pm
Guess we are the stereotype insular peninsualars!

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 8:08 pm
Which is the greater feeling – An orgasm or the unblocking of an ear?

I think that earlier stream of consciousness question was a winner. I don’t think they can be forced though.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 8:09 pm
I don’t normally watch Q&A but I think I will tonight. Could be anything with that panel.

m0nty

19 Nov 12 at 8:10 pm
Steve Price has just mentioned our fabulous failures Rudd and Turnbull will both have a megaphone on tonight’s Q&A (thankfully I can’t watch as I’m away).

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 8:10 pm
Err, don’t want to pull rank on you Alice but the peninsula starts at Mona Vale.

That said I’ve worked in the City more than a few times = downside we all share.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 8:18 pm
Actually, for the first time in my lurking history on this site, I’m probably with Steve on this one.

GregJ

19 Nov 12 at 8:25 pm
I don’t normally watch Q&A but I think I will tonight. Could be anything with that panel.

Nice troll. Mate you know how it will go.

TJ: “That Julie Bishop. Should she clear up her role in the ~~tobacco~~ asbestos litigation where she tried to steal money from people who couldn’t breathe?”

KR: Yes indeed questions need to be answered.

MT: Don’t rush to judgement…blah blah…yes indeed questions need to be answered.

HR: As the former business group rep…blah blah…questions need to be answered.

JS: No. Why? It was a test case, she presented the best legal representation she could to her clients. The Court decided and compo was paid.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 8:27 pm
No – the peninsular does not start at Mona Vale Dave F. How frightfully snobby of you!

It starts north of Manly!

I refuse to countenance any other idea exceot it starts north of Dee Why!!

The bus service isnt bad actually but it will never be enough with the rate the units are oing up down here not to get another bloody decent way out (spit crossing, tunnel, bridge, wider roads at Mona Vale).
We have had developers crawling over the beaches building the worst units known to man since they let private certifiers do the inpsections.
Be warned if you buy down here folks, expect scaffolding up in ten years after construction, doing a virtual rebuild. Get three building inspections – not one!

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 8:27 pm
“Stay tuned.”

Hey IT

your meat slicer will have to be cleaned meticulously all the time as the bacteria would have a field day.

candy

19 Nov 12 at 8:31 pm
Hey, how come more people don’t have commercial grade meat slicers at home?

Kramer had one at one point. I wonder if there was a spike in meat slicer sales after that episode, though in general I’m not sure Kramer is a man to emulate…

Andreas

19 Nov 12 at 8:32 pm
I look forward to visiting friends and rather than them trying to impress me with a new coffee machine they gushingly show me their brand new industrial sized meat slicer.

Infidel tiger

19 Nov 12 at 8:37 pm
oh Alice…I could do a wiki link to ‘peninsula’.

My 7am super express took a bit over an hour to get to Wynyard (I worked at the Quay) if I was lucky. Literally over 5 years I shifted by bus time from 7 to 6.30. Brutal traffic from the Spit basically.

But as far as CAGW, if it happens to the sea those tall towers at your beach will be the first to go. They have, what? 2 metres of sand. Bob Askin had a hand in those disasters.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 8:40 pm
Kramer had one at one point.

You’re a genius, Andreas. Seinfeld – of course! IT has repressed memory syndrome.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 8:44 pm
It’s not the “size” of the meat slicer that counts – as Kramer showed, it’s how thinly it slices that’s really important.

blogstrop

19 Nov 12 at 8:46 pm
Men with a desire to have their own private commercial grade butcher’s gear in the garage are usually viewed with some suspicion, are they not?

Nobody around here could be viewed with more suspicion than SfB.

blogstrop

19 Nov 12 at 8:47 pm
I constantly show off my battery powered electric mower. Mates like the novelty and the transgressiveness of it.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 8:48 pm
I only aspire to a food dehydrator.

steve from brisbane

19 Nov 12 at 8:50 pm
Rudd and Turnbull in the same studio? How on earth could they fit those two egos in such a small area?!

Two of the lefties favourite MPs on the same show. Lefty Nirvana. How’s SFB? Busy at the moment i’m tipping.

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 8:52 pm
Yeah, I can do QandA. Plus, Judith is on, so it should be bearable.

What shall be tonights Q&A blogging beverage?

I’ve got a couple of Asahi frosting myself.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 8:55 pm
Q&A will consist of AbbottAbbottAbbott, Julia Gillard AWUNICORN!!!!eleventy!, Julie Bishop’s shameful representation for her client, AbbottAbbottAbbott – rinse, repeat.

kae

19 Nov 12 at 8:58 pm
I think there’ll be a bit of Israel bashing and also talk of gay marriage.

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 8:59 pm
Kae – There will also be the standard question on when will MT become leader of the Libs again because then every mouthbreathing dribbler who hates the Libs will suddenly love them and vote for them.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 9:04 pm
Julie Bishop front and centre. Israel bashing. Catholic Church. More Catholic Church in the context that Abbott was a seminairian. Climate Change.

Not in that order but I’d be willing to put a box trifecta in.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 9:04 pm
Kramer had one at one point.

Hannibal Lecter probably had one.

You like Chianti and fava beans, IT?

Septimus

19 Nov 12 at 9:05 pm
I have some Sam Adams, Carpe.

m0nty

19 Nov 12 at 9:08 pm
All those and of course gay marriage.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 9:09 pm
Seinfeld – of course! IT has repressed memory syndrome.

Next IT will have a strange urge to make sausages while listening to Jackie Davis’s version of Mañana, an activity I wholeheartedly endorse.

Andreas

19 Nov 12 at 9:10 pm
1,000!

Rabz

19 Nov 12 at 9:10 pm
Bugger!

Rabz

19 Nov 12 at 9:11 pm
The Australian Bolshevik Collective’s leading terrorist propaganda show, the paleosimian terrorist enabler’s half hour (AKA 730 report).

Now, it was completely balanced, m’kay? In terms of the pallie terrorist organisations, it enabled BOTH the hamas terrorist organisation AND the fatah terrorist organisation to air undiluted anti-Jewish propaganda.

Complete with exquisitely clear video of a dead moppet.

Funny, when the Fogel family was murdered, their ABC mentioned – nothing, nothing at all.

Truly a triumph of undiluted terrorist propaganda. Their ABC must be so proud of Comrade Sales.

Privatise the ABC the day after the election.

Mk50 of Brisbane

19 Nov 12 at 9:13 pm
I’ve got a couple of Asahi frosting myself.

Asahi Super Dry – nice beer. Nihon desu

Had my usual Stella before dinner. Now having third glass of a nice McLaren Vale Shiraz. Kampai.

Can’t bear to watch Q&A though. Too gruesome.

Researching musical suggestions from other Cats instead.

Septimus

19 Nov 12 at 9:14 pm
She’s a piece of work and always has been.

blogstrop

19 Nov 12 at 9:16 pm
I

have some Sam Adams, Carpe

None in stock, but i could sling you a Carlsberg Elephant.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 9:19 pm
Asahi Super Dry – nice beer. Nihon desu

Konbanwa Septimu sama.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 9:21 pm
Ah, I see Media Watch will address the $5000 story.

m0nty

19 Nov 12 at 9:21 pm
Musical suggestions….

This music vid is great. You will know everyone in it.

It’s country, but a good song. And you know everyone in it.

Brad Paisley Online.

Yes, that’s Marcia Brady. And you’ll know everyone else.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 9:23 pm
Media watch – no love between the ALPBC and the Oz.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 9:26 pm
Yeah, sure, pull up a chair, monty. You done trashing the people at the Cat on the lefty blogs you visit?

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 9:27 pm
Well said Jonathan Holmes. He just destroyed the bleating by the Oz about the ABC not repeating the $5000 story.

m0nty

19 Nov 12 at 9:28 pm
Men with a desire to have their own private commercial grade butcher’s gear in the garage are usually viewed with some suspicion, are they not?

I’d probably go a long way to fitting that description. Deer hunter, in case you were wondering.

John Mc

19 Nov 12 at 9:28 pm
Carpe, I’m cracking over a Lemon Ruski. Can’t do QandA totally sober.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 9:29 pm
Cracking OPEN.

LOL and it’s not even open. This does not bode well.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 9:31 pm
IPABC, you mean.

Scapula

19 Nov 12 at 9:31 pm
I’ve obviously missed Media Watch. Was anything clarified about the Gillard slush fund fiasco, or the $5K?

John Mc

19 Nov 12 at 9:32 pm
He just ~~destroyed~~ excused the ~~bleating~~ legitimate points raised by the Oz about the ABC not ~~repeating~~ even bothering to have any journalistic curiosity regarding the $5000 story.

Ease up on the Sam Adams Monty, savour them don’t do laybacks, they are too good to waste that way.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 9:33 pm
No time. Have to finish taking notes from Field’s Royal Navy Strategy in the Far East 1919-1939: Preparing for War against Japan tonite, Septimus, before departing for points west at 0-dark hundred.

Fortunately, I have Duk-Ki Kim’s naval Strategy in North-east Asia to while away the flight….

Mk50 of Brisbane

19 Nov 12 at 9:34 pm
I have some Sam Adams, Carpe.

When did you start drinking again?

Infidel tiger

19 Nov 12 at 9:34 pm
Hey Dafve F

With a bit of luck those two monsters will go before CAGW and imprv my views!.

In fact they are going already.

One had concrete cancer major internal body corp wars a few years ago (the biggie of the two) – with one resident suing the others, claiming stress, rent, furbniture storage, deoression, medications you name it. Said she couldnt live in her unit.

Started gutting just that one ended up doing the whole buildin (3 million plus later i heard) but really only like bandaid spots and patches all over. they will never get it all.

It has an aura of doom and the best views on the northern veaches but has already had its basements flooded by a king tide once when cars were left floating.

Yep – those two were a disaster built so close to the sand, in pure sand- shoulda never been built there. Plus a couple of eyesores past their prime now. 60s or 70s vintage luxury (mind you some of the newer blocks round here arent lasting 5 or 10 years they are built so bad).

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 9:36 pm
The left on the left and the right on the right. Battle lines drawn.

m0nty

19 Nov 12 at 9:36 pm
I’ve opened a new open forum.

Sinclair Davidson

19 Nov 12 at 9:38 pm
Where does the panel think money for investment [re education] come from?

Kevni: from growing the economy… by ensuring equality of opportunity… best education… don’t necessarily see any more tax.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 9:38 pm
You know, for someone who hates this place and talks trash about it on other sites, you spend an awful lot of time here, monty.

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 9:39 pm
Whats with everyone? I havent got my specs on but I can see they are all drinking here.

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 9:39 pm
OK, OK, I admit to having Nightwish’s ‘Dark Passion Play’ on….

getting into Nightwish, I have to admit.

Mk50 of Brisbane

19 Nov 12 at 9:39 pm
DaveF,

This music vid is great. You will know everyone in it.

Good video – funny. Country is OK.

Septimus

19 Nov 12 at 9:41 pm
IT, you need to get a tongue press to compliment the meat slicer.
Nothing better than to slice up some tongue or make brawn.

Splatacrobat

19 Nov 12 at 9:41 pm
Obama Talks Fiscal Cliff With Noted Economist Al Sharpton

http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/obama-talks-fiscal-cliff-with-noted-economist-al-sharpton/

JC

19 Nov 12 at 9:44 pm
Ta Sep.

I think they all volunteered.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 9:45 pm
I think someone should rain on this parade.

Its a tradeoff.

Thank you JS.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 9:47 pm

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