Monday Forum: November 19, 2012 at Catallaxy Files

Monday Forum: November 19, 2012

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Written by Sinclair Davidson

November 19th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

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New fred!

sdog

19 Nov 12 at 9:39 pm
Nice to seeya, Spot.

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 9:41 pm
I’ll think of an obscure discussion point shortly.

Infidel tiger

19 Nov 12 at 9:42 pm
An amazingly leftist free QandA….
The line up is.
Keving Rudd
Heather Rideout
Malcolm Turnbull
Judith Sloan.

I was shocked! I was thinking, surely there are people who haven’t arrived yet! Some artist or activist, overseas visitor, or Gillard loyalist. I don’t count any of those four as ‘leftists.’

What’s going on? Did somebody not turn up or something? Or is this part of a setup for a Rudd comeback?

dd

19 Nov 12 at 9:42 pm
Yay. Hopefully will load faster so we can keep up with the blathering.

Turnbull – need to use the taxes more prudently.

And he thinks we need to spend more on education.

We do?

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 9:42 pm
6th

Alice

19 Nov 12 at 9:43 pm
It’s going to be the I love Kevni show. We have the second lowest debt to gdp of any advanced economy in the world according to him.

Turnbull bringing up how Kev spent the surplus then borrowed another bucketload.

Ridout: Education is our future.

Okay, I’m overloading on motherland statements and reorganising the

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 9:46 pm
not first…again.

jumpnmcar

19 Nov 12 at 9:47 pm
oops. Sorry, hit enter by mistake, but it was just me having a snark about Ridout and her commenting on how we need to spend more on education, and we need to remember that we’re going to have an asian population (yeah, beats me, too) and 8 million people over the age of 65.

How about soylent green? You can have your oldies over for dinner.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 9:48 pm
Cheers.

Septimus

19 Nov 12 at 9:50 pm
Q&A – Spectacles girl thinks GST should be raised – yeah lets hurt those who can least afford it.

HR – “we have 129 taxes in Australia” Holy Crap, it it that bad?

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 9:50 pm
How come none of them mention a flat tax system?

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 9:53 pm
Judith points out that we’re spending a crapload already on education, and maybe we should look at that.

Heather brings up the Henry report (that she worked on) for the 7th time.

And Kevni talking about the GST. The new “manners” of consumption, ie online shopping (my word) eats into gST and so we need an across the board consumption tax.

So let’s just keep bleeding the taxpayers.

He really does look like an old lesbian.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 9:53 pm
Gee, Kevin07 is looking like a tool.

Notice how bothe he and Turnbull speak forever?

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 9:54 pm
nilk,

How about soylent green?

Soylent Green is the only good green.

Septimus

19 Nov 12 at 9:54 pm
How about soylent green?

Granny Grow – the fertiliser that you can keep in the family.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 9:55 pm
topics:

1. lodge your entry for your original words to be made into a liberty quote – mine – “A society falls when the people lose self-respect and respect for all. There is no greater respect than observing freedoms in others.”

2. politics – I’m over it. Weight of numbers means your vote counts less and less.

3. cricket – Will Watson play?

4. Xmas – what is the best city to spend xmas in?

pete m

19 Nov 12 at 9:55 pm
Shit I was so wrong in my prediction about the questions.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 9:56 pm
4. Xmas – what is the best city to spend xmas in?

Kobe & Hakuba.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 9:56 pm
Hmm .. this new Forum is a bit like watching Q&A with my eyes closed. Music awaits …. sayonara

Septimus

19 Nov 12 at 9:57 pm
“ALP lost opportunity to make money off the mining tax.”

Like the miners aren’t being bled already?

Kevin:why did we orig call it a resource super profit tax? Because it’s about “super” profits and we should get more of it.

And we had an insanely strong dollar which was strangling tourism.

*nb this is my takeaway from Kevni.

Seriously, people voted for this blatherer? Holy cow, no wonder we’re toast.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 9:58 pm
Yes Kevin It’s a mad lefty, socialist tax.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 9:59 pm
Super profits not some mad, lefty socialist tax. *snickers from audience*

Yeah, right.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 9:59 pm
Kevni – “SUPER PROFITS”, he wants them, greedy little bastard.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 9:59 pm
I assume Warmbull is furiously defending classical liberalism like his supporters assure me will?

Infidel tiger

19 Nov 12 at 10:00 pm
Oh fuck , the little turd reckons we need a tax to dampen the value of the US dollar.

So things like the terms of trade, borrowing $200 billion don’t matter. We need a tax.

We’re fucking doomed.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 10:01 pm
Q&A – Ridout says something sane about IR.

MT – Fairwork is a retrograde step, no sh1t sherlock.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:02 pm
I assume Warmbull is furiously defending classical liberalism like his supporters assure me will?

That would be a no.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:03 pm
Nice. Turnbull is saying “we have to carry the community with work place rules.”

Wait he’s coming good now “flexibility”.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 10:04 pm
DaveF, your questions wouldn’t be much use because none of the people on this panel will give the desirable answers (followed by lots of applause).

Rudd’s actually come across pretty well. Mind you, he’s here with a business lobbyist, a former Liberal leader, and Judith, talking big picture policy. It’s a good environment for him.

Here’s a Kevin Rudd quote from the show: “this is not some mad lefty socialist nutcase tax.”

Hear that subtext? “I don’t like mad lefty socialists.” He’s contrasting himself with the current leader who is in an alliance with the Greens.

dd

19 Nov 12 at 10:05 pm
Judith Nails it on union membership only 13% but the Act favours the unions.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:06 pm
JS: 13% of private sector is unions. Basically no one is.

No we don’t need the FWA union based BS.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 10:06 pm
1 ruski down.

Turnbull: gov should cut back on spending.

SnowCone cuts to IR.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:07 pm
Is this the last Q&A for the year?
If it is it has been a resounding success in silencing any AWU/Gillard questions .

Splatacrobat

19 Nov 12 at 10:07 pm
Judith’s doing very well.
So’s Turnbull, actually.

dd

19 Nov 12 at 10:07 pm
Heya Gab!

sdog

19 Nov 12 at 10:08 pm
ex cathedra?

Sorry to be rude but Kevin you can suck my.

I’ll stop there. But angry.

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 10:08 pm
I assume Warmbull is furiously defending classical liberalism like his supporters assure me will?

Yeah, he is actually.

dd

19 Nov 12 at 10:08 pm
He really does look like an old lesbian.

Zing! Light-bulb moment. Doesn’t he ever!!! And sounds like one. Poor widdle Kevni. Thanks Nilk.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 10:09 pm
Rudd is smacking the right’s stupidity over blaming the unions out of the park with great vengeance.

m0nty

19 Nov 12 at 10:10 pm
AGW question. “What happened to the greatest moral challenge of our generation?” LOL

Ridout: we’re dealing with it well – “it’s actually being addressed.. the reductions in emissions will be over-reached.”

Ridout’s an idiot. Do these people get paid to talk this crap?

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:13 pm
Turnbull is really doing well. Of course Judith is too.

Wipeout is fucking useless. She really is a political douchebag wanting to be loved by everyone.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 10:13 pm
Here comes the CAGW question – can these shills let it go. The scam is over.

Gillzillas CO2 tax has saved Oz blah blah, on this issue Ridout is a buffoon.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:13 pm
The greatest moral challenge confronting labor is telling the truth.

Splatacrobat

19 Nov 12 at 10:14 pm
Hear that subtext? “I don’t like mad lefty socialists.” He’s contrasting himself with the current leader who is in an alliance with the Greens.

Erm, you need faceless men behind you to say mad stuff like that out loud … so nobody heard you, champ.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 10:14 pm
The greatest moral challenge confronting labor is telling the truth.

45 minutes and still no mention of gay marriage.

Splatacrobat

19 Nov 12 at 10:16 pm
Turnbull points out that Gillard said there would be no carbon tax and promptly broke that promise.

I’ll pay that.

Turnbull also disagrees with the ‘clean energy fund’. Far too much money being thrown around in an inefficient way. You can have your heart in the right place, but you have to spend money wisely and effectively.

Get policy settings right. “A fixed price on carbon is a very bad idea. I have never supported a fixed price – ever.”

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:16 pm
Rudd is smacking the right’s stupidity over blaming the unions out of the park with great vengeance

Fat boy, you fessed up to failing first year Monash economics. Leave labor economics well alone, you fucking idiot.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 10:17 pm
And Fat Boy…

They are critical of the current labor laws primarily, not labor unions, so shut the fuck up and stop talking, you blubber.

Sinc… boot the fucker.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 10:19 pm
“Globally we are active in a manner which is consuming so many agencies of governments – but I got a free trip to Copenhagen, and Australia is all over it. Combet is doing great. ”

“China’s working on a national emissions trading scheme.” ROFLMAO.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:19 pm
Tony Jones is a bit out of his depth on this one.

Turnbull is performing well this evening, Ridout is beginning to lose the plot, Rudds body language (constantly turning to Ridout) lends me to think he is trying to justify his position with a friendly face.

Judith needs more air time.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:20 pm
Great tweet from Chris Kenny:

Chris Kenny ‏@chriskkenny
“@JulianBurnside: #qanda It’s more important to save the planet than to stick to an election promise” I’m told this isn’t a parody account

Harold

19 Nov 12 at 10:20 pm
Tony Jones just jumped the shark, “punch as in punch Julia Gillard”.

The man is a bottom feeding slime eater, not even catfish sink that low.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:22 pm
“rolling Punch and Judy show” Rudd’s take on politics today. “Wev’e managed to balkanise politics so badly that it’s difficult to get any agreement.”

Needless to say, SnowCone interjects to ask: “Punch is Tony Abbott, does that make Judy Julia Gillard?”

Kevni did slough that one off, so he gets a skippy badge there.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:22 pm
Carpe, Judith needs some airtime.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:23 pm
Rudd is on board with the northern food bowl rubbish? Well, I guess he has to play to the cockies in Queensland.

m0nty

19 Nov 12 at 10:23 pm
“Future proof the economy with a smart people”

Fuck the little turd is an embarrassing imbecile.

The liars party is clownsville squared.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 10:24 pm
Has Kevin given up all hope of being Prime Minister again?

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:24 pm
Is Judith there to make up numbers? How about asking her opinion you turds.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:24 pm
Quote of the night – “you are the party of Eddie Obeid”

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:25 pm
The little turd seems mentally ill. No kidding.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 10:25 pm
This is more what I expected from Turnbull, but Rudd’s not going to play ball.

m0nty

19 Nov 12 at 10:26 pm
“Your mob poleaxed you because you stood up to the factions. the faceless men couldn’t put up with that”

Turnbull to Kevni.

Holy cow, Tunbull bringing it on. SnowCone tells Turnbull that he got poleaxed to, Turnbull rejoins: the people that did that had faces.

Score!

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:27 pm
Lifted the following from

http://www.facebook.com/#!/fsclpc

Mike

Our dear Tubsie Milne

I just received an eMail which I thought was on point and that I should share it with you. PP

“Ms Milne

You should know that this is doing the rounds. You should also know that I, like thousands of ex service people, lived in tents while fighting for this country. Duty for every soldier in Vietnam was one year – tent only.

I agree with the sentiment entirely. Have you thought to grow a brain?”

Richard Adams
7RAR Vietnam 1967

GREENS IMBECILE MILNE

I refer you to the quote below from the leader of the Greens, Christine Milne, as to what she said recently on the subject of asylum seekers:

Greens leader Christine Milne said – “Tent accommodation was inhumane”.

She went on -
“On the one hand Angus Houston is saying people will be treated better this time and in the next breath we are going to be setting up these huge temporary tent camps and taking away people’s human rights,” she told reporters in Canberra.

So what you are saying Ms Milne – is that it is alright for Australian diggers in the First, Second, Korean, Vietnam and Gulf Wars to live in tents defending Australia and other countries, but not for these illegal aliens?

Get a life you moron, you and your fellow idiotic Greens are a national disgrace.

Plus the fact that our troops are where all these bastards come from fighting for a better life for them while they abandon their country of birth for a better life without feeling the pain of fighting for it.

Mike of Marion

19 Nov 12 at 10:28 pm
The little turd seems mentally ill. No kidding.

Kevni or Jones?

Sorry, that would be Kevni, that is a bitter little man.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:29 pm
“Is Eddie Obeid representative of poison in the Labor Party?”

Kevni says, AWB, John Howard, AWB!

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:29 pm
Last question: why don’t Kevni and Malcolm start up their own party?

Oh dear.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:31 pm
MT & KR join and establish a new party – what would it be called?

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:31 pm
Kevni or Jones?

Sorry, that would be Kevni, that is a bitter little man.

The Rudd. He’s so embittered it’s made him mentally sick.

Malcolm has done well this evening.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 10:31 pm
what would it be called?

Egos’R'Us

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 10:32 pm
How you deliver fairness? FFS, I loathe that idea. “Fairness” Sod off.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:33 pm
Malcolm has done well this evening.

I agree, he has had greater composure, rudd doesn’t seem to handle pressure well.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:33 pm
Apparently Rideout and Sloan have had their mics turned off.

m0nty

19 Nov 12 at 10:34 pm
Egos’R’Us

Spankers’R'Us

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:34 pm
Thank you, Nilk. Valour above and beyond.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 10:34 pm
I agree, he has had greater composure, rudd doesn’t seem to handle pressure well.

Never has. He goes to water.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 10:35 pm
oops

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:35 pm
LOL What chance of a ‘mouthwatering’ election with the chance of voting for Turnbull or Rudd?

And of course the suckup in the audience saying how great Turnbull would be.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:35 pm
Shut up Heather, you useless twat. Give Judith the time.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 10:36 pm
As for Rudd wanting more measured discourse. All the little prick did for 2 years was spin and bullshit.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 10:36 pm
Saw this link and thought it worth noting here. Seems like the auditors for the Federal Reserve don’t feel $9 Trillion isn’t material or something…

Poidar

19 Nov 12 at 10:37 pm
Apologies to those with walk-on parts. It was Kevni and Muggins’ movie after all.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 10:37 pm
kevni knows it’s all over for him as far as leadership goes.

M. Turnbull may be going to make a play again for the leadership perhaps.

candy

19 Nov 12 at 10:38 pm
Why does Rudd continually look to Ridout for affirmation?

Rudd – “We can win this election”, dream on little turd.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:38 pm
Next Monday is a gaggle of geese

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:39 pm
Poidar

Stop being an idiot. There’s no 9 trillion missing from the Fed. The Fed has a balance sheet which by definition means it balances.

If you think it doesn’t, tell us where.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 10:39 pm
Thanks, Tom. I was a bit distracted by facebook, so didn’t apply due diligence, though.

Of course the main question of the day is about the probability of Kevni Ruff – aka Van Boy – getting the top job again.

“AbbottAbbottAbbott needs to give us the policies we need, and reform his attitude.”

Next week will be Penny Wong and some other people, including a playwright.

I guess we’ll hear about gay marriage then.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:39 pm
MT & KR join and establish a new party – what would it be called?

BullKrudd?

Andreas

19 Nov 12 at 10:41 pm
I am reminded why Q&A annoys me. Regular calls for a centrist third party, plus Dorothy Dixers to stroke the egoes of Rudd or Turnbull. Some rather immature questions.

m0nty

19 Nov 12 at 10:41 pm
AG Roxon has just announced a process of community and stakeholder consultation about the terms of reference for the Child abuse Royal Commission. According to the release, ‘The Government will finalise the Terms of Reference and the appointment of the Commissioner or Commissioners by the end of this year’.

I reckon, given the Government’s form, that it will be delayed well beyond that time frame, that it may never begin within this Government’s current term of office and that it might quietly fade away, no matter who wins the next election.

Des Deskperson

19 Nov 12 at 10:41 pm
Next week will be Penny Wong and some other people, including a playwright.

I guess we’ll hear about gay marriage then.

I’m Guessing it will be the end of year Abbott bashing show.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:42 pm
Rudd vs Turnbull a match up people want to see”

I would have liked to see Megan gale and Jen Hawkins go one on one but know that will never happen either.

Splatacrobat

19 Nov 12 at 10:42 pm
MT & KR join and establish a new party – what would it be called?

Unlikely. They hate each other with a passion.

Infidel tiger

19 Nov 12 at 10:43 pm
#ruddbull is getting a bit of play on Twitter. Gives you wings, apparently.

m0nty

19 Nov 12 at 10:44 pm
Nah, Carpe. We’ll get that fellow with the gay son asking Wong how she feels about Abbott’s stance on gay marriage and then we’ll get a twofer.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:44 pm
Kevni Ruff – aka Van Boy

The Combi Kid.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:45 pm
And of course the suckup in the audience saying how great Turnbull would be.

Turnbull has about 10% primary vote that he’ll never get because he’ll never switch to the Green commo alliance – a truly weird political hand job.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 10:45 pm
Great. Now we’ve got Barry O on Lateline playing the race card in Burma.

Bleh.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:46 pm
Is the Gingernut the best biscuit for coffee dunking?

Infidel tiger

19 Nov 12 at 10:47 pm
AG Roxon has just announced a process of community and stakeholder consultation about the terms of reference for the Child abuse Royal Commission.

Yes, like wot was done for the Finkelstein witchhunt. Only those who bagged News Ltd were accepted in the “consultation” process. Set up from the beginning.

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 10:47 pm
Nilk – You’re right, but it will be called “marriage equality”.

Wong will posture like a wounded dolpin.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:48 pm
QANDA – it’s fair to say I can’t decide between Ridout and Rudd as to who is the more loathsome.

Their actions and rhetoric might be said to be permanently divorced but there was no union in the first place.

Even Obumma is slightly most honest the those two twerps

JamesK

19 Nov 12 at 10:49 pm
Next week will be Penny Wong and some other people, including a playwright.

I guess we’ll hear about gay marriage then.

It will be wall-to-wall Royal Commission. With rest breaks to talk about Palestine and how do we convince the Israelis that they should not be so warlike.
Plus maybe a question about Gonski (when will politicians finally spend some money on education), the Broome gas hub (how come we are allowing such environmental vandalism), and the wrongness of Tony Abbott.

In other words, back to business as usual.

dd

19 Nov 12 at 10:49 pm
What the heck are you doing eating Gingernut biscuits? Taubes will be upset with you!

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 10:49 pm
Is the Gingernut the best biscuit for coffee dunking?

HEATHEN – Scotch Finger Biscuits should always be first choice.

Carpe Jugulum

19 Nov 12 at 10:51 pm
JS: 13% of private sector is unions. Basically no one is.
No we don’t need the FWA union based BS.

Dave a couple of years back one of the unions sent some organisers into my workplace.

Unfortunately for them, I went along and asked a few questions. Apparently proles in bluecollar environments aren’t supposed to ask questions like “Do you think that spending a fortune on election advertising for one Party is a valid use of members’ funds?”

It didn’t go down too well with the union.

Also didn’t help them that our people are paid above award.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 10:52 pm
Gab, he’s into a new thingness. It’ll last only a few hours. No harm.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 10:52 pm
Back away from those Gingernuts, IT. Think of the carbs!

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 10:53 pm
You still in the ME, Tom?

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 10:53 pm
Why does Rudd continually look to Ridout for affirmation?

That’s what she is being paid for.

H B Bear

19 Nov 12 at 10:54 pm
I’ll think of an obscure discussion point shortly.

Infidel tiger

19 Nov 12 at 9:42 pm

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 10:55 pm
You don’t see too many people mowing their own lawns these days. That’s rather sad. Who would have thought that we would lose the art of letter writing and lawn mowing in a single generation?

Infidel tiger

19 Nov 12 at 10:56 pm
Nobody does offended indignation better than that Wong fellow.

H B Bear

19 Nov 12 at 10:58 pm
Is anyone else watching Q&A? Fuck KRudd is rambling idiot and everyone knows it!

John Mc

19 Nov 12 at 10:58 pm
I see the answer is ‘yes’.

John Mc

19 Nov 12 at 10:59 pm
IT – I have teenage sons and a father-in-law. Why would I mow my lawn? What are you thinking?

Sinclair Davidson

19 Nov 12 at 10:59 pm
Yes, Gab. Heading for the Balkans Bombsite in the morning.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 10:59 pm
First time I watched Q and A in years. Tweeted a lot.

Sinclair Davidson

19 Nov 12 at 11:00 pm
I pay the lad next door to mow the lawn, so the next generation is doing fine here, IT.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 11:00 pm
Interesting trip, Tom. Hope all goes well.

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 11:02 pm
okay, time for sleep here in Bogan Central North. Night all.

nilk

19 Nov 12 at 11:03 pm
Turnbull is doing well, not just trying to be popular but willing to raise IR and freeing up the labour market.

John Mc

19 Nov 12 at 11:04 pm
We used to have one of those mowers with a roller and a catcher at the front. I think I prefer them to the rotary style mower. The rotary is easier to use but can’t be turned into a gocart.

Infidel tiger

19 Nov 12 at 11:04 pm
IT, you’ll be happy to know that I mow my own lawn. I’m too much of a tight-arse to pay anyone else to do it.

tbh

19 Nov 12 at 11:06 pm
Nah IT everyone mows their own lawns here

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 11:07 pm
“…and a father in law, why would I mow my own lawns”

Huh?

DaveF

19 Nov 12 at 11:09 pm
We used to have one of those mowers with a roller and a catcher at the front. I think I prefer them to the rotary style mower. The rotary is easier to use but can’t be turned into a gocart.

My dad still has one of those and uses it. He reckons its the rolls royce of mowers.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 11:11 pm
DaveF – other people mow my lawn.

Sinclair Davidson

19 Nov 12 at 11:12 pm
I think lawn bowl lawns still use them, IT.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 11:12 pm
There was a time when every suburban street on a Saturday arvo would humming to the sound of mowers pushed by husbands wearing stubbies or speedos and a pair of Dunlop Volleys.

I saw a milkman doing his run the other day. Quite a shocking thing. We used to get our bread delivered too.

Infidel tiger

19 Nov 12 at 11:13 pm
I don’t have a lawn except for the nature strip, thank god.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 11:13 pm
“DaveF – other people mow my lawn.”

See. See! Yet more evidence of the breakdown in the moral fibre of society. As we know it.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

19 Nov 12 at 11:15 pm
Get Italian lawn. No mowing necessary.

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 11:15 pm
The roller mower with the catcher is pretty much the business. My neighbour has one and his lawn is immaculate. The local bowls club too.

tbh

19 Nov 12 at 11:15 pm
Lawns are rather bourgeois. Hard to justify maintaining one in the age of permament water restrictions, because it will die in the next drought. El Niño due next year.

m0nty

19 Nov 12 at 11:17 pm
Our mower had a clutch and gears. Surprised we never killed anyone with it as kids.

Infidel tiger

19 Nov 12 at 11:18 pm
Get Italian lawn. No mowing necessary.

“Sactly.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 11:18 pm
Hard to justify maintaining one in the age of permament water restrictions,

lol… Yea I couldn’t imagine you taken care of one, Fat boy. You’d be breathless walking the mower to the lawn.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 11:20 pm
I have been training my 11 yo in the art of lawn mowing, but he has been struggling with the beast, even if the lure of capital gain has its attractions.
His grandfather has moved into a retirement village and has given us his mower, which is slightly lighter than mine. But it is also a Honda! So after all this lovely rain we plan the classic combine harvester pic next weekend with two mowers going at once.

entropy

19 Nov 12 at 11:21 pm
Lawns are a status symbol. Or should be.

I want to be known as the crazy lawn guy by the kids in the neighbourhood when I’m older.

Infidel tiger

19 Nov 12 at 11:22 pm
I am reminded why Q&A annoys me. Regular calls for a centrist third party

There seem to be a lot of people on the centre left who feel politically homeless. Why is that? Could it have anything to do with, oh I don’t know, … a Labor-Greens alliance perhaps?

dd

19 Nov 12 at 11:22 pm
Is anyone watching KRudd embarrass himself? How this man ever got to the top job is beyond me.

John Mc

19 Nov 12 at 11:22 pm
An amazingly leftist free QandA….
The line up is.
Keving Rudd
Heather Rideout
Malcolm Turnbull
Judith Sloan.

Huh?

They’re all lefties, excepting Judith.

C.L.

19 Nov 12 at 11:23 pm
Is anyone watching KRudd embarrass himself? How this man ever got to the top job is beyond me.

Hayek’s theory as proof positive. The worst rise to the top.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 11:24 pm
M0nty – I have underground water so the lawn never dies. Even during the drought it had to be mowed – very annoying.

Sinclair Davidson

19 Nov 12 at 11:24 pm
Gab, I’m all brushed up on falcon, gold and spice souks, tax-free small government with a rich, familial, ruling class oil well owners attached, medieval sexual role-play, pricey government drinking licences for the infidels (no blow-ins need apply), gasoline for 25c/l retail and 56 degrees C of comforting warmth in summer. Great Arab tucker but!

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 11:25 pm
I remember in the 80′s some nouveau riche types built homes near us that had mounds and contours in their lawn. Great for jumping your BMX over but a real bitch to mow I bet.

Anyway that’s about it for lawn mowers and lawn. I’ll be back soon with some more tales of suburban whimsy.

Infidel tiger

19 Nov 12 at 11:25 pm
El Niño due next year.

Neutral conditions are most likely, but it is marginally more possible that El Nino may return late next year than la nina.

entropy

19 Nov 12 at 11:26 pm
Now I look further up the page and see the lot of yers are into it, some preying on the frail aged and infants to mow it for ‘em. Outrageous!

No wonder the country’s going to seed, don’t you worry about that!

I have seen in the mirror Infidel tiger’s image of the weekend Dunlop Volleys and Speedos, worn all weekend except for Mass (am I allowed to mention that word here still?)

Mick Gold Coast QLD

19 Nov 12 at 11:26 pm
First world problems, Sinc.

m0nty

19 Nov 12 at 11:26 pm
I’m with JC. No lawn. Hooray!

Sinc I am outraged that your lawn is mown by child labour or an exploited older person.

Rafe Champion

19 Nov 12 at 11:27 pm
Yep – if I wanted third world problems I could have stayed in Africa.

Sinclair Davidson

19 Nov 12 at 11:27 pm
Neutral conditions are most likely, but it is marginally more possible that El Nino may return late next year than la nina.

El Nino.. That means dry weather, right?

JC

19 Nov 12 at 11:29 pm
56degC? Are they having a cold snap, Tom? Seriously, friend from Sudan said summer easily reaches 60degC, no need for hot water showers, even the cold water tap flows hot. Sounds an awesome trip though.

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 11:29 pm
KRudd has rambled half the show away. Even the audience has stopped clapping.

John Mc

19 Nov 12 at 11:30 pm
Screw El Niño. The dams are all full over east. You guys should be having sprinkler and car wash parties.

Infidel tiger

19 Nov 12 at 11:30 pm
I also wear Volleys nowadays.

m0nty

19 Nov 12 at 11:30 pm
I also wear Volleys nowadays.

Gee, how interesting.

JC

19 Nov 12 at 11:31 pm
They recond lawnmowers and VCR’s are the most unreliable machines in the modern world. My Lawn mower is about 15 years old now and still working fine except for “the start up”.

I have to squirt a dose of Start ya bastard into the air cleaner then it starts first pull. I kinda think it’s like an asthmatic getting a puff of ventolin before going for a jog.

Splatacrobat

19 Nov 12 at 11:32 pm
Neutral conditions are most likely, but it is marginally more possible that El Nino may return late next year than la nina.

So entropy, how long will El Niño last this time, rough estimate? Another 12-15 year drought?

m0nty

19 Nov 12 at 11:33 pm
Start ya bastard

Good brand name. Competition for WD40?

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 11:34 pm
Rafe – you can save them. Come mow my lawn yourself.

Sinclair Davidson

19 Nov 12 at 11:35 pm
Never saw any weeds during the drought. It was great, and then the rains came.

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 11:36 pm
Am I the only one that didn’t watch the ABC tonight?

I don’t know why you all go on about how terrible the channnel is. What would you people do without shows like Q&A to complain about?

Jarrah

19 Nov 12 at 11:37 pm
They said 60 deg to start with, but nailed them down to 56; you have to die in a dry wadi to get 60. It’s more civilised dying in a dry hotel.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 11:38 pm
I don’t know why you all go on about how terrible the channnel is. What would you people do without shows like Q&A to complain about?

Discuss lawn mowing. And why most households don’t have meat slicers.

Infidel tiger

19 Nov 12 at 11:40 pm
Not even drinks in the mini bar, Tom? Horrors!

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 11:40 pm
IT
I have a ride on mower – who needs a go cart?

kae

19 Nov 12 at 11:41 pm
I had a Morris Minor as an apprentice and no money to replace the battery so I perfected a crank start with a hit of start ya bastard in less than 20 seconds.

I had plenty of passers by comment that they hadn’t seen a car cranked for years.

Splatacrobat

19 Nov 12 at 11:43 pm
The mini-fridge freezer door is is fastened shut with screws to save on guilt and temptation. Medieval efficiency.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 11:43 pm
Just as well you’re heading off to civilization in the morning, Tom. Only so much a man can take really.

What was the best meal you’ve had so far?

Gab

19 Nov 12 at 11:45 pm
Turnbull pretty timid on major policy issues I see. What a disappointing man. Not as as disappointing as Abbott, but disappointing nonetheless.

James Bauer

19 Nov 12 at 11:45 pm
Can anyone tell me why people actually like Kevni?

He is surely the most pompous twit ever in Parliament. He is so ridiculous that he makes my blood boil almost as much as listening to Gillard.

No lawns to mow here…living on a boat.

Winnedge

19 Nov 12 at 11:51 pm
Mont, it should have been an el nino event this year, as is the case in 70% of the years following a la nina event. It didn’t quite get there, although the effects of the effort are still with us as the storm season is about a month late.

On average, the most likely outcome for 2013-14 summer are neutral conditions, with the chance of la nina or el nino about equal. The long range forecasts are most likely neutral, with a marginally higher chance of el nino over la nina, not that you can read too much into them that far out. In other words, pretty much average.

As for the chance of drought, who knows? the ENSO is only about 25% of the influences. We could still end up with a drought this summer if the wet season turns out a fizzer, but I suspect that isn’t likely. it might start late, but at least it won’t be like 2010-11.

entropy

19 Nov 12 at 11:51 pm
Beef goulash for lunch today, but with to-die-for Arab spices. In the souk, bulk spices become great visual art with their bright layered colours of cumin, paprika, cinnamon etc.

Tom

19 Nov 12 at 11:54 pm
Wooah, just ripping and compressing a James Bond DVD (backup of course). During the H264 compression my normally silent imac has all 8 cores 100% utilised and I can clearly hear the fans roaring away trying to cool it.

entropy

19 Nov 12 at 11:55 pm
What would you people do without shows like Q&A to complain about?

Just as well we’re not black or Jarrah would be facing humiliation in the Bolt Court.

Tom

20 Nov 12 at 12:02 am
Nobody likes Kevin. Put any teenager around a celebrity these days and they scream. Plus the pseudo-folksy talk fools others under the spell of the ‘Sunrise effect’ – say Kochie enough and you’re one of the boys.

Scapula

20 Nov 12 at 12:03 am
bright layered colours of cumin, paprika, cinnamon

Yes yes makes for delightful and interesting photos and all. More importantly, there’s the gold souk nearby…

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 12:04 am
Cumin is a disgusting tasting spice. It’s horrible. Ive banned it at home.

JC

20 Nov 12 at 12:09 am
Dennis Prager gives a brilliant summary of the Israel-Palestine conflict,

Prager University The Middle East Problem

I think this warrants a post of it’s own Sinc, for any noobs who come to the blog.

Alex Pundit

20 Nov 12 at 12:10 am
Hard to justify maintaining one in the age of permament water restrictions, because it will die in the next drought. El Niño due next year.

If only somebody had the foresight to build a dam or two to catch some of those billions of litres of rainwater that despite never going to fall again, fell, and then poured uselessly out into the ocean thanks to ALP governments listening to the “top scientists” of the day.

How you people can ever talk about the weather in Australia again without being pelted by rotten tomatoes I’ll never know.

twostix

20 Nov 12 at 12:10 am
The next instalment from Hedley:

“Following an exhaustive search of relevant Federal Court registries, the missing Queensland files listed above were today found in the Victorian Registry in Melbourne,” a court spokesman said.

I think that means the full conveyancing file is now in the public domain. Some more interesting lines of questioning coming on I feel…

Arnost

20 Nov 12 at 12:13 am
Gold digging is also an art in Arabia.

Tom

20 Nov 12 at 12:15 am
Re Splat cranking his car, how many people of the children on this list have ever seen a car cranked?

Rafe Champion

20 Nov 12 at 12:22 am
It’s on,

Marco Rubio smashes Iowa fundraising record

Alex Pundit

20 Nov 12 at 12:33 am
Screw El Niño. The dams are all full over east. You guys should be having sprinkler and car wash parties.

I had the sprinklers on this evening and it started raining: “double watering power!” I thought to myself and put my feet up laughing out loud at the water poor people with their lack of water who feel bad if even a few specks of water from their sprinkler lands on the concrete instead of the grass. I was once one of them but having moved to greener pastures now have re-learned the art of watering like a 1970′s style suburban king.

We’ve got more water than we know what to do with though and Sydney keeps eyeing it up, if those fuckers try and steal our water I’m demanding we secede from NSW, create our own state and sell it to the bums at no less than $50 a litre during the next drought.

twostix

20 Nov 12 at 12:34 am
Link Arnost?

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 12:50 am
Screw you twosix we earn the money mate

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 12:51 am
It’s on,

Marco Rubio smashes Iowa fundraising record

Have mercy. Can we at least wait until 2015 for this conversation.

In the mean time I think that Pasito and Passiona are very under rated soft drinks. For a period Passiona was the number one selling soft drink in Australia. Men probably enjoyed a glass after mowing the lawn.

Infidel tiger

20 Nov 12 at 12:53 am
Screw you twosix we earn the money mate

You’re going to need it to buy our $50 a litre water.

twostix

20 Nov 12 at 12:54 am
The day after you cut off from Sydney. Yes $50 water will be on the referundum.

And we’ll choose between using our dams or fighting over darling/murray river rights.

Sydney wins

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 1:00 am
I think they’re the only passionfruit flavored softies in Oz right now, I.T. Well they’re the only ones I know of.

What was that Vietnam War flick that I saw a few years ago where there was this Aussies Special Ops guy stalking through the jungle and sayiing something to the affect of, “God, I feel like a Passiona right now”?

Alex Pundit

20 Nov 12 at 1:01 am
Labour proposes opening the floodgates for gold diggers by redefining discrimination to mean “unfavourable treatment”:

THE federal government’s plan to rewrite anti-discrimination law is like money in the bank for the undeserving.

These changes will make it much easier to extract “go away” money from employers by launching proceedings using a law that is rigged.

Labor’s changes have been designed to radically skew discrimination law in favour of all claimants. This will assist those with a worthy case as well as those on the make.

Tom

20 Nov 12 at 1:02 am
I like this new Infidel Tiger.

Reminds me a bit of Brick in The Middle.

(Currently being repeated on one of the free to air channels at 7 pm – Go?)

steve from brisbane

20 Nov 12 at 1:03 am
Thanks Tom. I need some dough.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 1:05 am
In the mean time I think that Pasito and Passiona are very under rated soft drinks. For a period Passiona was the number one selling soft drink in Australia. Men probably enjoyed a glass after mowing the lawn.

Good Lord, you sound like SFB. Please stop it.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 1:06 am
By the way, I’m sure this will impress you, but during the weekend of wild storms in Brisbane, my son said more than once that this must be global warming and we’re all doomed…

Honestly, I had not raised the topic in that context at all, and I gave a non committal comment, but I was secretly pleased.

steve from brisbane

20 Nov 12 at 1:11 am
Pardon me for being trivial after watching Q&A exciting debate. I used to be fascinated by kev’s licking the lips moments, now I love to watch his hand movements, does he practise (spelling correct for all of you pedantic people?) in the mirror. For instance, when he says ‘that person over there’ (referring to Malcolm), he emphatically gestures with his chubby hand. Then he pontificated on at some point about parliamentshould not being a punch and judy show, you know,should be civilised, whilst continually referring to the Liberal Party and Malcolm, as ‘that other mob’. Doesnt sound like a good start kevvie.

delfino

20 Nov 12 at 1:13 am
Sydney wins

In the middle of the day tommorrow, to celebrate how much Sydney “wins” I might wash the car out on the road with the hose.

Would you like me to catch some of the water that runs off in the gutter and send it to you?

$50 a litre, no trouble.

twostix

20 Nov 12 at 1:13 am
If it was anyone other than IT, I wouldn’t encourage him. But Passiona is/was the best soft drink ever invented. Haven’t seen it for 20 years.

Tom

20 Nov 12 at 1:14 am
Passiona – now there’s a drink waiting to find a new market.

Scapula

20 Nov 12 at 1:17 am
I was secretly pleased.

Dogshit is volunteering for punishment at the child abuse Royal Commission.

Tom

20 Nov 12 at 1:19 am
An exemption which currently allows faith-based aged care providers to discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation and gender identity would be removed, but other religious exemptions would continue.
The convener of the ageing and aged care working group of the National Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender and Intersex health alliance, Corey Irlam, said the change was ”long overdue and very welco

I dunno about you but the convenor of the aging care work group of anyone is my spokesperson.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 1:21 am
Sydney wins

And I’ll do the same. We have a ton of water here.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 1:24 am
Remember back in 2007 when it was another sign of the fifth reich forming in the whitehouse that the Bush admin was using private email accounts to do business?

Yeah…about that:

Obama officials using secret emails to avoid oversight

The House science committee is demanding the White House explain why top administration officials are using secret e-mail accounts and other techniques to conceal their taxpayer-paid activities from public oversight.

The evidence of officials’ efforts to evade transparency laws includes EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson’s use of the fake name “Richard Windsor”, and hidden e-mail accounts, according to a Nov. 16 letter sent by the committee to several White House officials, including Jackson.

Mark one more notch on the greatest modern maxim: Whatever the left accuse you of they are or will be doing.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/16/house-committee-probes-administrations-secret-emails/

twostix

20 Nov 12 at 1:31 am
By the way, I’m sure this will impress you, but during the weekend of wild storms in Brisbane, my son said more than once that this must be global warming and we’re all doomed…

Honestly, I had not raised the topic in that context at all, and I gave a non committal comment, but I was secretly pleased.

Pleased that your son believes we are all doomed? Thats almost child abuse.

Jannie

20 Nov 12 at 1:36 am
… the National Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender and Intersex health alliance

LOL.

C.L.

20 Nov 12 at 1:36 am
By the way, I’m sure this will impress you, but during the weekend of wild storms in Brisbane, my son said more than once that this must be global warming and we’re all doomed…

Honestly, I had not raised the topic in that context at all, and I gave a non committal comment, but I was secretly pleased.

Australia, you’re fucked.

sdog

20 Nov 12 at 1:49 am
“God, I feel like a Passiona right now”?

The Odd Angry Shot. Just love that Passiona!

Cold-Hands

20 Nov 12 at 3:13 am
Krugman: bring back 91 percent tax rate.

C.L.

20 Nov 12 at 3:49 am
Sharon and Ohlmert’s Gaza experiment can be declared a failure, and all talk of a two-state solution can be declared null and void. As we really knew all along, but the proof is there for all to see that having these people just over any border is bad news.
Israel might as well re-take Gaza and accelerate settlements in the West Bank. Any arabs unhappy with the end of that fantasy may go live elsewhere. It’s finished, amd the arabs stuffed it themselves, which is typical.

Blogstrop

20 Nov 12 at 6:40 am
Meanwhile, in-depth ABC reporting consists of tallying the dead civilians.
Useful idiots and fifth columnists indeed.

Blogstrop

20 Nov 12 at 6:42 am
ALP lowers the bar on discrimination cases.

Another piece of pre-election pandering, another anti business pose, an open invitation to vexatious and divisive legal folderol.
Link.

Blogstrop

20 Nov 12 at 6:50 am
By the way, I’m sure this will impress you, but during the weekend of wild storms in Brisbane, my son said more than once that this must be global warming and we’re all doomed…

How do you know he wasn’t taking the mickey, SfB? We joke about it all the time at work. Of course, being down south in Melbournistan, the weather changes all the time.

I don’t think we’d recognise “Global Warming” or “Climate Change” here if it came up and knocked on the door.

nilk

20 Nov 12 at 7:02 am
Mark one more notch on the greatest modern maxim: Whatever the left accuse you of they are or will be doing.

As it was with the Kaiser’s army and the use of poison gas.

perturbed

20 Nov 12 at 7:14 am
It’s on now:

Mr Blewitt’s lawyer Bob Galbally last night said his client had reached “an arrangement and agreement with Victorian police for Mr Blewitt to make a statement”.

2dogs

20 Nov 12 at 7:18 am
Nilk: he was being a bit funny with the “doomed” bit. But it’s basically good that he was thinking of climate change.

Steve from Brisbane

20 Nov 12 at 7:32 am
Fran Kelly is about to talk to one of her favourite people, Rob Oakshott, about allegations that both sides of politics have sounded him out privately about modifications to the GST after the next election.
Sounds highly unlikely that they would bother talking to someone who’s not going to be a sitting member by then, in a parliament most likely not to be in the same unfortunate situation as this one is.

blogstrop

20 Nov 12 at 7:36 am
SfB it’s a sad commentary on the brainwashing of your kid, along with many others.

blogstrop

20 Nov 12 at 7:38 am
Steve, allowing your son to feel scared because of a political belief that you hold has to be the sickest thing I have heard on this blog. That you appear to feel proud of it simply appals me.

James in Melbourne

20 Nov 12 at 7:47 am
Steve, that’s a shame. I have to work hard to counter the brainwashing my offspring brings home from school, and you should be to.

Remind me again, for example, what turning off your appliances for an hour will do to better the situation of a village in Africa?

What percentage of the atmosphere is “carbon dioxide”? And if it’s such a terrible thing, then why have we been breathing it for ever?

And why do plants thrive in the presence of light and CO2 if CO2 is so deadly?

nilk

20 Nov 12 at 7:53 am
…my son said more than once that this must be global warming and we’re all doomed…

Honestly, I had not raised the topic in that context at all, and I gave a non committal comment, but I was secretly pleased.

If you want to know how to make an emotional cripple, follow SoB’s sick process.

The kharmic bus will be sorting you out, one day the kid will realise that you lied and will hate you.

Token

20 Nov 12 at 8:06 am
Sounds highly unlikely that they would bother talking to someone who’s not going to be a sitting member by then, in a parliament most likely not to be in the same unfortunate situation as this one is.

I’m stunned anyone pays attention to Kelly any more. She does not pretend to be interested in a dialog.

Token

20 Nov 12 at 8:08 am
Steve, ~~allowing~~ encouraging your son to feel scared because of a political belief that you hold has to be the sickest thing I have heard on this blog. That you appear to feel proud of it simply appals me.

During the 80′s is was the threat of nuclear armageddon & Aids. After Reagan/Thatcher sorted the USSR out, the watermelons turned up the scare on the population bomb and then glow-ball warming.

Is it any wonder we have so many mentally fragile fruitbats that go to the Dumb & Fauxfacts to find company and to howl at the moon?

Token

20 Nov 12 at 8:12 am
On the subject of brainwashing kids with enviro-crap, watch Quadrant Online later today.

I’ll be putting up a story to make your jaw drop.

areff

20 Nov 12 at 8:18 am
“I would have liked to see Megan gale and Jen Hawkins go one on one”

Preferably in bikinis with jelly. Tell me I’m dreamin’!

The Beer Whisperer

20 Nov 12 at 8:29 am
Looks like editor at the Tele has decided to help the Macquarie Dictionary a hand with their work to ~~ruin a national institution by playing undergraduate politics~~ redefine the word “saving” to match whatever Goose & the Wong-bot says it is:

THE government has desperately been trying to justify a major policy backflip in scrapping phantom solar credits by claiming it will help with the cost of electricity.

If this sounds like pink batts, green loans, the citizen’s assembly and cash for clunkers that’s because it is. This government makes major announcements with lots of publicity, defends the programs, and abolishes them.

On this occasion Labor’s swindle is to scrap the phantom credits scheme, which paid people for solar energy that was never produced, in order to reduce power prices.

Got it?

“Saving” is when the government scraps a scheme to spend money on nothing, being a scandalous waste on a disasterous flop of a project which was only initiated to get a headline.

Token

20 Nov 12 at 8:45 am
Link from the Tele

—————————–

“I would have liked to see Megan gale and Jen Hawkins go one on one”

Preferably in bikinis with jelly. Tell me I’m dreamin’!

If they did this at the start of fashion week they actually would get men to pay attention.

Token

20 Nov 12 at 8:48 am
They’re all lefties, excepting Judith.

Not by QandA standards.
They would have all given the incorrect answer on Israel, for example, if asked.

dd

20 Nov 12 at 8:48 am
I expressed surprise last week that you had a son Stevieliar QC. The above revelation only adds to that.

Tiny Dancer

20 Nov 12 at 9:00 am
But it’s basically good that he was thinking of climate change.

FFS you moron, it is WEATHER.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

20 Nov 12 at 9:16 am
But it’s basically good that he was thinking of climate change.

FFS you moron, it is WEATHER.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

20 Nov 12 at 9:16 am
I did not hit “submit comment” twice.
Obviously the internet God thought my point so important that it needed repeating.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

20 Nov 12 at 9:19 am
Can anyone tell me if the story that the Basel Committee for Bank Supervision of the BIS has actually implemented a rule that says we’re “unofficially” going back to the gold standard?

Basically the scuttlebut I am seeing reckons that gold will become Tier 1 capital by 2018.

.

20 Nov 12 at 9:33 am
Sorry if this has been posted before, did a search for infidel but all I came up with was that Heathen Tiger.

Whats an Infidel.

I continued, ‘I also have a problem with being your friend when you and
your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask
you a question: Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?’

Rudiau

20 Nov 12 at 9:41 am
Republican Study Committee retracts memo attacking copyright written by smart young man, says they “screwed up”.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 9:58 am
I agree with the point of that Snopes article but they have presented it in an offensive manner and that hypothetical preacher who didn’t point out what Jesus’ mission was seems like a poorly educated halfwit. They have made ignorant presumptions based on their own ignorance. It is easier to point out that in Western countries, besides the crazies, Jews, Christians and Muslims do not read one liners out of context.

Snopes is only a semi reliable source.

.

20 Nov 12 at 10:01 am
I imagine they’d relish the chance to smash the Hollywood cartels monty, but there you go, they are pandering to them.

Seems like the Libertarian movement has infiltrated the GOP. Good.

Their intellectual hero:

http://www.againstmonopoly.org/

.

20 Nov 12 at 10:04 am
Barack Obama: embarrassing moron.

C.L.

20 Nov 12 at 10:16 am
Morally wacko lawyer watch…

His lawyer, David Manera, described the killing as a love story.

C.L.

20 Nov 12 at 10:20 am
Hey, what happened to my post about the BIS and gold?

It’s actually pretty interesting…if you find capital adequacy ratios interesting!

.

20 Nov 12 at 10:22 am
No need to apologise. They deserved it.

THE son of The Hollywood Reporter founder Billy Wilkerson is apologising for his father’s and the trade paper’s role in the 1947 Hollywood Blacklist that destroyed the careers of writers, actors and directors accused of having communist ties.

In an article published by The Hollywood Reporter on Monday, Willie Wilkerson calls the Blacklist era “Hollywood’s Holocaust” and says that on the eve of “this dark 65th anniversary, I feel an apology is necessary”.

C.L.

20 Nov 12 at 10:22 am
CFMEU targeting smaller business developments now.

THE nation’s most militant construction union is embroiled in controversy over a fresh wave of industrial guerilla tactics, with allegations of threats to life and property in a bid to widen building industry coverage.

The Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union is one of two key unions slapped with a Supreme Court order against unlawful protests at a Victorian brewery development site.

The picketers, who have been obstructing work at the company’s eastern states brewing centre off and on since last month, have been accused in court documents of making “throat-cutting gestures”, threats of “stomping heads in”, threatening workers they “were dead” and of shoving, kicking and punching motor vehicles.

On social media, a union member also threatened to boycott a local store for providing food to the workers on site.

The CFMEU and the Australian Manufacturing Workers’ Union have been ordered by the Supreme Court not to picket, not to prevent free access to the site or cause anyone else to hinder work at the site.

Despite the Supreme Court order, police told The Australian that protesters were at the site last Friday and the companies involved are bracing for more action.

“The actions of a group of people with no connection to the site in preventing people from going to work are illegal, inconsistent with the spirit of the Fair Work Act and it sends a very poor signal to potential investors into Geelong and Victoria generally,” a Lion spokeswoman said.

“It appears that this is purely a matter of union representation for TFG’s staff. TFG has again spoken with its contractors who have once more advised that they are happy with their current contracts and do not wish to have union representation.“

And as usual, the police do nothing.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/cfmeu-defies-court-on-death-threat-dispute/story-fn59noo3-1226519200319

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 10:47 am
Surely the First Teleprompter of the United States can speak a little Burmese?

Is Barry not even bothering to do his reading properly now he’s got another 4 years in the bag? That’s ominous.

H B Bear

20 Nov 12 at 10:49 am
Apologies JC, (et. al) drunken posting… I blame Brown Bros.

Poidar

20 Nov 12 at 10:50 am
gillard looks on adoringly while Obama just looks evil. Or maybe he’s tired. Nevertheless, the egos are gargantuan.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 10:52 am
“For the rest of the year Julia Gillard will regularly be donning Harry Potter’s invisibility cloak. Labor has a deliberate strategy of minimising Gillard’s domestic appearances because of her inability to deal with policy challenges and answer ‘slush fund’ questions.”

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 10:56 am
Invisibility cloak?

Never forget.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/mcclelland_it_took_more_than_one_gillard_staffer_to_start_that_riot/

Like the former Attorney-General, I do not believe one of Julia Gillard’s junior staffers would have acted alone in inciting a mini race riot against Tony Abbott at a function attended by the Prime Minister:
DUMPED Labor minister Robert McClelland finds it hard to believe that only a junior member of Julia Gillard’s office helped spark a chain of events that led to this year’s violent Australia Day protest…

[Media adviser Tony] Hodges was forced to resign after it emerged he had told protesters that Tony Abbott had said the Aboriginal tent embassy in Canberra should be dismantled. This led to an angry confrontation in which Ms Gillard and the Opposition Leader had to be shielded from the protesters by police.

“I personally don’t think a relatively junior member of a media staff would have phoned up . . . without higher authority,” [McClelland] told the annual conference of the Police Association of South Australia in Adelaide yesterday

“I’m not saying it went to the highest level, but I think from higher in the office.

“I think a much more detailed inquiry should have occurred, both on whether there was any authorisation and whether there was a culture—even if authorisation hadn’t occurred, which I doubt—such that a relatively junior officer thought that sort of conduct was appropriate.”

Never forget.

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20 Nov 12 at 11:08 am
“For the rest of the year Julia Gillard will regularly be donning Harry Potter’s invisibility cloak.

Whenever they do that, Labor goes up a bit in the polls. Then it comes crashing down again when she starts making more public appearances. The other thing that tends to give Labor a bump is if Abbott is MIA for whatever reason.

dd

20 Nov 12 at 11:08 am
She’s more Voldemort than Harry Potter.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 11:10 am
Is Barry not even bothering to do his reading properly now he’s got another 4 years in the bag? That’s ominous.

As he said to Medvedev, once he had the election out of the way he does not have to face another election.

Add to this, before the election he was able to usurp authorities from the other branches of government when he accelerated the citizenship of the illegals. The fruitbat left who screamed about GWB expanding the use of signing statements are happy for Barry to use them.

The end result there is a man in the White House who was re-elected without outlining an agenda, who has been given authority to act in new ways and with new powers, who is allowed to mislead the public (Benghazi), and has stated to the Russians he will use those powers once elected.

Why would he care what anyone thinks?

Token

20 Nov 12 at 11:16 am
Why the hell is the ALPBC news reporting the mutual tugfest of two failed leaders on Q&A last night? Neither of them are remotely close to having the numbers and seem to rely on half-arsed polls and the unpopularity of both leaders for their political oxygen.

Rudd and Turnbull must be two of the most odious egomaniacs to have polished the leather of Federal Parliament since Keating was thrown out all those years ago.

H B Bear

20 Nov 12 at 11:19 am
Areff

On the subject of brainwashing kids with enviro-crap, watch Quadrant Online later today.

I’ll be putting up a story to make your jaw drop.

I hope that means you’ll be linking to the story here, yes?

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 11:25 am
How we’ve evolved from the days when multiculturism meant the Chicken Parmo and Spag Bog got added to the mixed grill at the RSL.

To paraphrase Mark Steyn, multiculturism enables new relationships where “people can live side by side, each contributing to the rich, vibrant tapestry of diversity.”

BIKIE gangs are recruiting former soldiers from both sides of the Afghan war, targeting both Diggers for their knowledge of explosives and Afghan paramilitaries who are then used to carry out attacks…

NSW Police acting organised crime director Arthur Katsogiannis said about a dozen former soldiers who had served in Afghanistan were known to have joined the state’s outlaw motorcycle gangs, which have been recruiting heavily in recent years…

Police sources said the gangs were also targeting Afghan immigrants, who may have received paramilitary training during the ongoing conflict, to use as muscle, with a number of these men linked to recent public shootings in Sydney…

[H/t Bolta]

Token

20 Nov 12 at 11:26 am
Mr Anne Summers puts his forensic poet Ben Eltham onto the AWU scandal over at The Dumb. Much hilarity ensues,

Certainly, some revelations look uncomfortable for the Prime Minister, notably the report that a union employee named Wayne Hem deposited $5,000 from Wilson in 1995 to a bank account under Julia Gillard’s name. The Prime Minister’s office told me they won’t be commenting further on this matter, which Gillard called a “smear” last week. But even if the deposit was made – and we only have Hem’s word about that – it proves nothing regarding any wrong-doing. The most likely explanation is that it was a cash gift from Wilson after a big night at the casino.

So there you go.

H B Bear

20 Nov 12 at 11:29 am
The Dumb’s forensic poet does deserve credit for managing to use the words “Crikey” and “best” in a single sentence,

Crikey’s Matthew Knott has the best recent summary of the trail of media coverage of the scandal.

Not often you see that.

H B Bear

20 Nov 12 at 11:33 am
The most likely explanation is that it was a cash gift from Wilson after a big night at the casino.

If it so reasonable a suggestion, why didn’t the PM just say that?

Token

20 Nov 12 at 11:33 am
The most likely explanation is that it was a cash gift from Wilson after a big night at the casino.

Not that I believe for one nanosecond any bloke gifting proceeds of a casino windfall into his girlfriend’s bank account, but let’s go with it and assume it could be so. Which leads me to question, if it indeed was the case then why hasn’t gillard just stated this?

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 11:36 am
Albasleazy takes a page from Leaping Leo MacLeay’s book.

H B Bear

20 Nov 12 at 11:46 am
The most likely explanation is that it was a cash gift from Wilson after a big night at the casino.

Oh har har hardy har har!

(apologies to Ralph Kramden aka Jackie Gleason)

if it indeed was the case then why hasn’t gillard just stated this?

Exactly.

Septimus

20 Nov 12 at 12:11 pm
The problems for Gillard:

Keeping the AWUWRA file secret from S&G – unethical;
Keeping the file secret from the AWU – unethical;
What a lucky coincidence that the file has gone missing;
The letter to the commission in WA stating the bona fides of the AWUWRA – illegal;
Contradicting that letter in her interview with Slater and Gordon – whoops;
What a lucky coincidence that the letter has gone missing;
Signing a POA for Blewett when she allegedly wasn’t present – illegal;
Receiving $5000 in an envelope from Wilson – suspect;
Not knowing whether or not renovations to her house were paid from the AWUWRU slush fund – suspect;
Not reporting the matter to the police when she supposedly found out the true nature of the slush fund – unethical;
Misleading parliament about why she didn’t report the matter – Oh dear;
What a lucky coincidence a file from NSW courts relating to the matter has gone missing.

To sum up:
2 x illegal;
1 x misleading parliament;
3 x unethical;
3 x missing files;
2 x suspect; and
1 x whoops.

How the ABC can conclude this is a beat up requires the greatest act of self delusion.

jupes

20 Nov 12 at 12:27 pm
How the ABC can conclude this is a beat up requires the greatest act of self delusion

The ABC is a master class in self delusion.

Supplice

20 Nov 12 at 12:31 pm
She can’t say that Gab because she doesn’t know what Blewitt or his sidekick might say. Even the innocent explanation is difficult for her.

Tiny Dancer

20 Nov 12 at 12:34 pm
The letter to the commission in WA stating the bona fides of the AWUWRA – illegal;

Surely this alone is indictable?

.

20 Nov 12 at 12:41 pm
Not knowing whether or not renovations to her house were paid from the AWUWRU slush fund – suspect;

If I recall correctly Gillard stated she paid for all the renovations, she did not state where the funds originated from to pay the amounts and whether it all come from earned and declared income.

Token

20 Nov 12 at 12:44 pm
How nice of him:

The link between respecting the environment and the sacramental life of the church is inseparable for one bishop, who oversees a diocese that encompasses a collection of small islands in the South Pacific. When Bishop Bernard Unabali of Bougainville, Papua New Guinea, baptizes a new member of the church or confirms someone or even when he ordains a priest, he asks individuals to plant 10 trees as a way to give rise to new life.

“[I] use this situation,” Bishop Unabali told participats at a symposium in Washington, D.C. on Nov. 8, “which is going to be affecting us more drastically than probably in the past, to help people recapture our relationship to the environment.”

steve from brisbane

20 Nov 12 at 12:54 pm
Signing a POA for Blewett when she allegedly wasn’t present – illegal;

Backdating and ‘Witnessing’ a Power of Attorney when not present is certainly indictable and hopefully some action on this might be forthcoming now that Blewitt has agreed to be interviewed by police.

If I recall correctly Gillard stated she paid for all the renovations, she did not state where the funds originated from to pay the amounts and whether it all come from earned and declared income.

In Gillard’s S&G ‘termination’ interview ($) she “could not rule out” that AWU money had not paid for renovations on her Abbotsford property. The revelations that Gillard allegedly had $5000 placed in her bank account by Wilson via Hem supports this. Note too that Gillard apparently received a brick fence free from Bill the Greek bullshit artist.

Cold-Hands

20 Nov 12 at 12:58 pm
she did not state where the funds originated from to pay the amounts

Actually, Inspector Clueless, she said:

PG: Good. So that, is it fair to say as a general summary of that work that all of the work was paid for

by you?

JG: I believe all of the work was paid for by me. I was getting receipts, I was paying it. I at that stage borrowed an additional $20,000 from the bank to pay for the renovations. I had occasion to ask Geoff if I could be pre-paid, which he did. I don’t recall the amount. But that was recouped out of my pay for the first six months of this year. And, between that pre-payment and the borrowing of the $20,000 from the bank, I paid for that work.

PG: Right.

JG: I should say that, when I say the 20,000 from the bank: that was the bathroom, the work that was organised subsequent to the demolition of the bathroom. Athol James, the tiler, sorry Athol James, the paver, Taugney the Swedish builder I had paid over time as work was done.

steve from brisbane

20 Nov 12 at 12:59 pm
When Bishop Bernard Unabali of Bougainville, Papua New Guinea, baptizes a new member of the church or confirms someone or even when he ordains a priest, he asks individuals to plant 10 trees as a way to give rise to new life.

Great find & good timing SoB.

Mike Rand had a similar saccharine sounding plan in the name of guesture politics as well:

ONE of the nation’s largest tree planting schemes has become an expensive failure with the majority of the 2.5 million trees planted under the River Murray Forest project now dead because of poor planning, drought and a ban on watering.

Former premier Mike Rann allocated $5.7 million to the scheme in a bid to woo the Greens before the 2007 South Australian election, but land owners, regional groups and seedling provider Greening Australia have described the scheme as ill-planned.

I know, who cares, all that counts is the photo op at the start of the process.

Token

20 Nov 12 at 1:02 pm
SoB the clueless underlines his stupidity by ensuring this critical quote is included:

JG: I believe all of the work was paid for by me.

Token

20 Nov 12 at 1:05 pm
jupes and Cold-hands are off on yet another bush lawyers’ picnic.

Tedious.

Token: yes, I have always been very very dubious of the off setting of carbon by tree planting, particularly in drought and bushfire prone parts of Australia.

steve from brisbane

20 Nov 12 at 1:10 pm
Token: yes, I can see how damning that quote is. [/sarc]

steve from brisbane

20 Nov 12 at 1:17 pm
How the ABC can conclude this is a beat up requires the greatest act of self delusion.

How jupes et al can conclude this is not a beat up requires the greatest act of self delusion.

SteveC

20 Nov 12 at 1:19 pm
“Your Honour: the Defendant is charged today with not stating her position re payment of trademen emphatically enough to satisfy one Token, first name, Wingnut, Esq.”

steve from brisbane

20 Nov 12 at 1:19 pm
Wow, the steve twins on fire.

Tiny Dancer

20 Nov 12 at 1:29 pm
If it was a conservative PM in this position they would be expected to stand down and would be out on their ear, and good riddance too.

Ms Gillard will be okay and will lead the ALP to the next election is my prediction.

candy

20 Nov 12 at 1:30 pm
Papa Bear said “This porridge is too cold”. Mama Bear said “This porridge is too hot”. Baby Bear said “We will never have porridge just right”.

Ice around the South Pole has expanded to cover a record area, scientists revealed yesterday – a month after saying that the North Pole had lost an unprecedented amount of its ice.

Researchers say – rather confusingly – that both occurrences are down to the ‘complex and surprising’ effects of global warming.

And apparently free speech is only sanctioned to those who do not print material that gives an alternative to the warmerists hysterics.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 1:38 pm
I figure if Blewitt makes his statement to the police things will hot up and we’ll see a change at the top.

By the top I mean Cabinet because half of them are implicated in the scandal.

Then my bet on Crean being the leader for the next election will come through at $17.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 1:39 pm
If it was a conservative PM in this position they would be expected to stand down and would be out on their ear, and good riddance too.

Exactly.
Despite SteveC’s assertion that it’s no big deal, political careers have been ruined over far less. Gillard may survive but her survival won’t come for free. The ALP had better add up the cost now, rather than down the road when it’s too late.

dd

20 Nov 12 at 1:42 pm
Has the fearles OZ, the unmasker of crafty conveyancing and shoddy slushes published this pearl of wisdom from Murdoch yet?:

Twitted Murdoch: ‘Why is Jewish-owned press so consistently anti-Israel in every crisis?’

Scapula

20 Nov 12 at 1:44 pm
True, DD, i feel I have lost a lot of respect for the Labor party and for the office of PM in the last two years, so guess a lot of others feel the same.

candy

20 Nov 12 at 1:46 pm
Government senators seemed very screechy in Question Time yesterday – especially Wong and Carr (Kim, not Daffy). Nervous maybe? Something going on behind the scenes? Numbers being counted? Or on edge for some other reason (slushy fund)?

Will listen again today while I’m working.

Septimus

20 Nov 12 at 1:47 pm
New thread please Sinclair: “Since when has the World Bank been an expert on climate change?”

http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/20/why-4-degrees-will-end-the-world-as-we-know-it-world-bank-warning/

Lysander Spooner

20 Nov 12 at 1:47 pm
How jupes et al can conclude this is not a beat up requires the greatest act of self delusion.

It’s not a beat up. Read some of the original reporting on the issue, rather than dismissive second-hand Crikey and ABC summaries. By the way, Gillard called the latest revelations a ‘smear’ but did not deny them.

dd

20 Nov 12 at 1:48 pm
How jupes et al can conclude this is not a beat up requires the greatest act of self delusion.

Good come back Steve. You’ve convinced me.

jupes

20 Nov 12 at 1:52 pm
porridge

What the Red Dalek will be doing before being stripped of all post-parliamentary benefits and deported to Wales.

Septimus

20 Nov 12 at 1:53 pm
So is conservative-owned News Limited publishing fair and accurate reporting, or is it under an ethico-political injunction from Murdoch to be anti-Labor?

Scapula

20 Nov 12 at 1:55 pm
So is conservative-owned News Limited publishing fair and accurate reporting, or is it under an ethico-political injunction from Murdoch to be anti-Labor?

Honestly scapula that’s not what’s going on.
News were, at first, very gun-shy of the whole thing. remember when it first blew up? They got a bit of pressure from the PM’s office and they immediately took down all the articles about it. Literally made them vanish.

For quite a while, this was being pushed by a handful of journos who were getting frustratingly little coverage. It’s not something that’s come from orders from the top, like a command booming down from Mount Murdoch. It’s literally being driven by investigative journalism.

dd

20 Nov 12 at 2:00 pm
True, DD, i feel I have lost a lot of respect for the Labor party and for the office of PM in the last two years,

That’s because your fair haired boy Kevin, with whom about 80% of people cannot work without being on blood pressure medication, lost his job; and got replaced by a woman who has slept with men before they got a divorce.

steve from brisbane

20 Nov 12 at 2:10 pm
I’m sure they were shy about a lawsuit both for legal and political reasons, which is why they actually repeat endlessly nowadays that they are making no allegations of wrongdoing as they splash the story over acres of newsprint.

Scapula

20 Nov 12 at 2:10 pm
political careers have been ruined over far less

such as?

SteveC

20 Nov 12 at 2:20 pm
That’s because your fair haired boy Kevin, with whom about 80% of people cannot work without being on blood pressure medication, lost his job;

Okay, I’m going to come right out and say: I don’t believe this.

How do we know he’s such a bastard to work for? Because the cabinet members told us, …. but only after they knifed him!!!! We only have their word for it – the word of the people who got rid of him – that he deserved it.

Yeah, I know. He made a hostess cry. Well, who knows, but maybe he was having a bad day? Was this a one-off, or did he regularly make the members of cabinet cry too? Did they come out of meetings all sobby and upset?

Sorry. I just don’t believe it.

I think they cooked that up as a weak excuse for knifing him. They used something that was plausible and fitted with a couple of recent media stories.

dd

20 Nov 12 at 2:24 pm
“That’s because your fair haired boy Kevin,”

Never voted for kevni, Steve. John Howard had everything running well, and I thought it’s not broke, so why fix it, and so vote conservative.

candy

20 Nov 12 at 2:24 pm
such as?

Frankly I can’t think of any recent political scandals as big. If the cabinet had known in 2010 what we know now, Gillard wouldn’t be PM right now.

dd

20 Nov 12 at 2:27 pm
Keeping the AWUWRA file secret from S&G – unethical;
Keeping the file secret from the AWU – unethical;
What a lucky coincidence that the file has gone missing;

These are common practices for lawyers, as has been detailed by Jon Faine who was one of them in the same era. No ethical breach, much as you might whine.

The letter to the commission in WA stating the bona fides of the AWUWRA – illegal;
Contradicting that letter in her interview with Slater and Gordon – whoops;
What a lucky coincidence that the letter has gone missing;

This pillar of the AWU case is built on a misconception that Gillard calling the association a “slush fund” is a confession that it is involved in fraud. This is not true. A “slush fund” is used to elect officials. The WA Act that the AWUWRA was created under allows associations to be used for this purpose. Gillard’s statements are all consistent with her understanding that this was part of the association’s purpose. Her calling it a “slush fund” does not mean she knew about or was in any way connected to the allegedly illegal uses of the association by Blewitt and Wilson. She did not contradict herself.

Signing a POA for Blewett when she allegedly wasn’t present – illegal;

Blewitt’s story relies on his own testimony that he signed it on a certain date and not another, which is unprovable. It is classic he-said-she-said. It would never stand up in court, particularly not delivered by a man who will supposedly get immunity from prosecution despite being one of the two people who allegedly committed the fraud. He is a hopelessly compromised witness.

Receiving $5000 in an envelope from Wilson – suspect;

What a storm in a teacup this is. Man Gives Gift To Girlfriend. Hold the front page. Are you going to demand Gillard hand over her bank records now? You’re starting to sound rather birtherist.

Not knowing whether or not renovations to her house were paid from the AWUWRU slush fund – suspect;
Not reporting the matter to the police when she supposedly found out the true nature of the slush fund – unethical;
Misleading parliament about why she didn’t report the matter – Oh dear;
What a lucky coincidence a file from NSW courts relating to the matter has gone missing.

Gillard has addressed all of these under extended journalist questioning, and you have no evidence to prove otherwise.

By all means though, keep pretending this is a real story. It’s doing wonders for Abbott’s approval ratings.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 2:29 pm
Frankly I can’t think of any recent political scandals as big.

AWB and $350 million ring a bell?

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 2:31 pm
Is Mont still in denial?

C.L.

20 Nov 12 at 2:34 pm
…men before they got a divorce.

Known in some quarters as ‘married men.’

C.L.

20 Nov 12 at 2:38 pm
Well Steve from Brisbane – for once I agree with you.

Lysander Spooner

20 Nov 12 at 2:40 pm
m0nty I appreciate you want to be anti on the scandal but really, in your heart of hearts, you must know this is all horribly dubious.

Put simply she was in the heart of a huge fraud.

Whether she was involved is unclear but political careers are often ruined by this sort of thing.

Look at the recent case of Peter Slipper. Basically he didn’t break any rules but used taxis as a limosine service. Sacked, ruined, looking for a job next year.

Cory Bernardi said something or other and was sacked from his portfolio.

I’d add more but I have to go and mow ~~Sinc’s~~ my lawn.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 2:40 pm
Sorry. I just don’t believe it.

I think they cooked that up as a weak excuse for knifing him. They used something that was plausible and fitted with a couple of recent media stories.

No, there were mutterings about Lu Kewen’s dysfunctional managerial style from his time as “Dr Death” in the Qld Public Service that surfaced before his election as PM. However the reports were ignored because it didn’t suit the MSM preferred outcome of getting rid of Howard. The evidence is incontrovertible that he’s a control freak with a foul mouth who loses it when things don’t go his way. Remember his tirade after Copenhagen.

Cold-Hands

20 Nov 12 at 2:40 pm
AWB and $350 million ring a bell?

“Look over there! The AWB scandal!” Yes, yes, some Australian officials bribed a third world dictator into buying shitloads of Australian wheat.

The sheer amount of money involved was larger, but it wasn’t a political scandal as such.

dd

20 Nov 12 at 2:43 pm
I think they cooked that up as a weak excuse for knifing him.

dd, you’re quite polite, and I like the way you dislike the awful tone of this place since its infestation with Boltards, but you do come up with some ill informed and quite dumb theories a lot of the time.

Rudd had a reputation as a “bastard boss” when he worked for Goss in Queensland. (I base this on some media comments, as well as “friend of a friend” information.)

There were ample stories given of how he stuffed people around for no reason that came out both before and after his sacking.

The difficulty of working with him is actually the most logical reason why he was sacked. The polling had not gone so bad as to justify it.

steve from brisbane

20 Nov 12 at 2:43 pm
Whether she was involved is unclear but political careers are often ruined by this sort of thing.

That’s a load of bull, DaveF. It’s not unclear… unless you count all the dirt being thrown her way. Just because the Oz claims something, doesn’t mean it’s true.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 2:44 pm
detailed by Jon Faine

Truly a non partisan reliable source there m0nster.
There are enough genuine lawyers that post on this blog who have stated that not opening files is not only unethical, it can be construed as defrauding the partners.
Jon Faine is a partisan shill, he is not a journalist.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

20 Nov 12 at 2:45 pm
LOL. Stedman has an official adviser.

JULIA Gillard’s long-term boyfriend, Tim Mathieson, was assigned a specialist adviser [last year] to assist with his duties as the partner of the Prime Minister.

A Senate estimates hearing was told late yesterday that an adviser was employed part-time by the Prime Minister’s office to help Mr Mathieson manage his schedule.

C.L.

20 Nov 12 at 2:46 pm
This pillar of the AWU case is built on a misconception that Gillard calling the association a “slush fund” is a confession that it is involved in fraud.

No it isn’t at all, the problem with her setting up the association to be used as a slush fund for union re-election is that this was not what she told the WA Corporate Affairs Commissioner the association was for. She deceived the Commissioner as to the true purpose of the association, and she has admitted this in her exit interview with Slater & Gordon. This was unethical, if not illegal.

Blewitt’s story relies on his own testimony that he signed it on a certain date and not another, which is unprovable.

The circumstantial evidence supports his testimony, for example that Slater & Gordon had to ask the real estate agent for the power of attorney, and that there was no date mentioned associated with the power of attorney when the house was purchased, but all references to it later included the date.

What a storm in a teacup this is. Man Gives Gift To Girlfriend.

The $5,000 deposit occurred at the same time as thousands in cash was being withdrawn from the AWU-WRA accounts, it also occurred at the same time builders stormed into the AWU offices demanding payment for work on Gillard’s house.

Andreas

20 Nov 12 at 2:47 pm
The evidence is incontrovertible that he’s a control freak with a foul mouth who loses it when things don’t go his way.

Maybe so, but I’m tired of it being trotted out as a reason for his removal from the top job. I don’t believe it was a reason. Furthermore, if it was a reason, then given the smoke-and-mirrors deception that surrounds the whole thing, I’d like them to work a little harder at convincing us of it.

Until then, I reckon it was for old fashioned reasons of backroom deals and power attainment, and the whole ‘bad boss’ thing is just a distraction.

Furthermore, it’s an embarrassing excuse. It makes them seem weak and sneaky. It makes it seem like none of them had the cajones to stand up to him to his face.

dd

20 Nov 12 at 2:48 pm
That’s a load of bull, DaveF. It’s not unclear… unless you count all the dirt being thrown her way.

Put simply she was in the heart of a huge fraud.

That is the sentence you should be addressing.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 2:49 pm
…I like the way you dislike the awful tone of this place…

Dave never says he wants to bash female commenters or wants people to die in storms, for example.

C.L.

20 Nov 12 at 2:50 pm
I’d like them to work a little harder at convincing us of it.

Oh good grief – there weren’t enough people lining up at the last leadership challenge to tell you they just couldn’t work with again?

steve from brisbane

20 Nov 12 at 2:51 pm
The sheer amount of money involved was larger, but it wasn’t a political scandal as such.

An investigation by the UN which led to a royal commission and recommendation to police to look into charges into 12 public servants under the Howard government wasn’t a political scandal? Steady on dd.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 2:51 pm
““Look over there! The AWB scandal!” Yes, yes, some Australian officials bribed a third world dictator into buying shitloads of Australian wheat.”

Sorry to butt in but how did bribing Saddam get us the deal?? There is a poster on Akermans blog who always asks the question as to how did bribing Saddam get us the wheat sales in front of other countries. Iraq was under sanctions and could get food under the UN OIl for food program. Saddam would have then had to bribe someone in the UN OIL for Food program to make sure we got the wheat sales rather than Canada for example.

Would this be correct???

Neil

20 Nov 12 at 2:51 pm
m0nty I appreciate you want to be anti on the scandal but really, in your heart of hearts, you must know this is all horribly dubious.

He does.

His and SfB’s posts get longer and more frantic the closer it gets to Gillard.

You should have seen them when it first broke in the Aus a few months ago. They literally went from posting nonchalant “non story” posts to multipage rants and screeds about the minute details of the matter within minutes, for an entire day and night.

They’re ramping up again which is good news.

twostix

20 Nov 12 at 2:55 pm
Put simply she was in the heart of a huge fraud.

That is the sentence you should be addressing.

DaveF, waving your hands about and pretending that there is any actual evidence of wrongdoing on Gillard’s part is not going to make that evidence magically appear. Her boyfriend was – allegedly – a crook. Are you going to convict her just for that?

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 2:55 pm
A Senate estimates hearing was told late yesterday that an adviser was employed part-time by the Prime Minister’s office to help Mr Mathieson manage his schedule.

Someone had to teach him to use Foxtel IQ.

Infidel Tiger

20 Nov 12 at 2:56 pm
IT, do you have any advice for the best way to deal with a gas bar-b-que. Do I attempt to degrease and clean the plate and grill it the next day after use, or leave it greased up (and thus resistant to rust) until next use. And when it comes to next use, the best way to get it somewhat clean before putting meat on it?

steve from brisbane

20 Nov 12 at 2:59 pm
Sorry to butt in but how did bribing Saddam get us the deal??

Oh geez.

If bribing Saddam didn’t get the deal, why would you bribe Saddam, Neil?

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 3:00 pm
The AWU scandal is a classic political MacGuffin.

We are all looking for the ‘money in the paper bag’ (it was in an envelope actually) as this keeps the story running.

Look how boring the Obeid case is. There’s something to it and we already know it and we’re just watching to see if it can be proved conclusively.

Scapula

20 Nov 12 at 3:02 pm
“If bribing Saddam didn’t get the deal, why would you bribe Saddam, Neil?”

Did Saddam have any power to say which countries sold food to Iraq under the Oil For Food Program?? Iraq was under sanctions.

After bribing Sadam he then would have had to make sure we got the deal rather than Canada. Did Saddam have the power to do this??

Neil

20 Nov 12 at 3:03 pm
The difficulty of working with him is actually the most logical reason why he was sacked. The polling had not gone so bad as to justify it.

Oh god not this shit again.

“No the ALP got rid of the first popular PM they’d had in 20 years and destroyed themselves in the process because some cabinet ministers who are no longer cabinet ministers didn’t like his management style”.

Making up for lost time I see el-wrongologist.

twostix

20 Nov 12 at 3:04 pm
Her boyfriend was – allegedly – a crook. Are you going to convict her just for that?

I’ve no probs with crooked married lovers. But if you assist in the fraud I have a problem. She assisted in the fraud.

Anyway it’s all a bit circular so I’ll leave it at that.

[No, I'm not flouncing off because you bested me, I just don't think there will be a meeting of minds on this one]

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 3:06 pm
You’re asking, Neil, whether a dictator has power to dictate what happens inside his country. The answer is yes, Neil.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 3:06 pm
…a royal commission and recommendation to police to look into charges into 12 public servants under the Howard government…

Criminal charges against all 12 were dropped by the AFP.

C.L.

20 Nov 12 at 3:07 pm
Blewitt’s story relies on his own testimony that he signed it on a certain date and not another, which is unprovable.

Uh, no. On the date that the backdated PoA was allegedly signed, Blewitt claims he was in Perth. It should be easy to prove whether he was in Perth on that date. It will be equally as easy to prove that Julia Eileen Gillard (witness) was NOT in Perth on that date. Wait and see.

Cold-Hands

20 Nov 12 at 3:07 pm
Personally Steve I like to leave it with a fine coat of grease to protect from rust. However, the thought of you being around grease and sausages is a little unsettling.

Infidel Tiger

20 Nov 12 at 3:09 pm
Speaking of dictators, Nicola Roxon embraces fascism:

Proof burden overturned in discrimination rethink.

Proof burden overturned.

Lefties respond:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

C.L.

20 Nov 12 at 3:10 pm
Jon Faine is a partisan shill, he is not a journalist.

And he’s not even a lawyer any more. Zero credibility.

Cold-Hands

20 Nov 12 at 3:10 pm
JC and REYNOLDS

What is this Basel III rule about gold being a tier I asset?

Will we get a gold standard/free banking by stealth?

Some pump and dumpers are talking it up and boosting all kinds of gold stocks and ETFs.

.

20 Nov 12 at 3:11 pm
It doesn’t have to be proven that Gillard knew that the AWU-WRA was for the laundering of money, or that she engaged in criminal conduct on any matter, that would just be the coup de grâce.

What we have already is a clear pattern of unethical conduct and poor judgement on the part of Gillard – choosing to be in a relationship with the head of her client, deceiving the WA Corporate Affairs Commissioner, failing to consult with the union on the use of its name, failing to open a file so her partners knew what she was doing, failing to report the AWU-WRA to the union or police after she had found out it had been used for fraud at the very same time the AWU was investigating internal fraud. One could go on, and that’s before we get to her ringing up newspaper editors demanding stories be pulled or using minor errors as an excuse to browbeat the press. I expect better of candidates for the Prime Ministership of Australia, apparently others do not.

Andreas

20 Nov 12 at 3:13 pm
Uh, no. On the date that the backdated PoA was allegedly signed, Blewitt claims he was in Perth. It should be easy to prove whether he was in Perth on that date. It will be equally as easy to prove that Julia Eileen Gillard (witness) was NOT in Perth on that date. Wait and see.

But Cold-Hands, can you prove that he signed it on that date and she signed it on another? Their locations are irrelevant. The date of the signings is the unprovable bit.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 3:13 pm
Hawke and Howard in conversation: video.

C.L.

20 Nov 12 at 3:18 pm
the problem with her setting up the association to be used as a slush fund for union re-election is that this was not what she told the WA Corporate Affairs Commissioner the association was for. She deceived the Commissioner as to the true purpose of the association, and she has admitted this in her exit interview with Slater & Gordon. This was unethical, if not illegal.

On the money Andreas. Further if she did, or supervised, the conveyancing she is even further in the mire.

Tiny Dancer

20 Nov 12 at 3:20 pm
What is this Basel III rule about gold being a tier I asset?

Dot gold sounds like it should be Tier 1 moreso than pretending EU government debt can’t default.

OT but anyone heard about what is happening to all the Hungarian homeowners who borrowed in Swiss Francs? The last thing I saw was their balances were going up to billy-o and the fear was mass defaults leading to problems for the Swiss banks.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 3:22 pm
Their locations are irrelevant. The date of the signings is the unprovable bit.

Monty their locations are very relevant as the document had to be witnessed in the presence of the witness.

Carpe Jugulum

20 Nov 12 at 3:23 pm
But Cold-Hands, can you prove that he signed it on that date and she signed it on another? Their locations are irrelevant. The date of the signings is the unprovable bit.

Just when I think I have seen peak-stupid, something comes along to lower the bar still further. The PoA has a date. If Blewitt can prove that he was in Perth on that date and that JEG wasn’t then we have proof positive that either the PoA was backdated (illegal) or that JEG falsely attested that she witnessed his signature when she didn’t (illegal) or both. All that has to be shown is that Blewitt and JEG were not in the same place on the 4th of Feb 1993 when the PoA was supposedly donated and that could be easily proved by circumstantial evidence such as witness statements, plane tickets, phone records etc

Cold-Hands

20 Nov 12 at 3:23 pm
It doesn’t have to be proven that Gillard knew that the AWU-WRA was for the laundering of money, or that she engaged in criminal conduct on any matter, that would just be the coup de grâce.

What we have already is a clear pattern of unethical conduct and poor judgement on the part of Gillard

Okay then Andreas, so no further investigation is necessary. Voters can make up their own minds on Gillard’s judgement versus that of Abbott. Perhaps we can get back to discussing policy now. Or just watch Abbott descend further into Nelson territory.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 3:24 pm
All that has to be shown is that Blewitt and JEG were not in the same place on the 4th of Feb 1993 when the PoA was supposedly donated and that could be easily proved by circumstantial evidence such as witness statements, plane tickets, phone records etc

I wouldn’t trust Blewitt as a witness. Maybe he’ll appear soon on the front page of the Oz reneging on his story too.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 3:26 pm
Or just watch Abbott descend further into Nelson territory.

53-47

Gillard is leading the ALP to electoral armageddon. Well deserved.

Infidel Tiger

20 Nov 12 at 3:28 pm
I wonder why the media aren’t chasing Bruce Wilson? He won’t say anything but isn’t it de rigeur to have a photo of him scurrying into his flat with a newspaper obscuring his face?

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 3:30 pm
What we have already is a clear pattern of unethical conduct and poor judgement on the part of Gillard – choosing to be in a relationship with the head of her client, deceiving the WA Corporate Affairs Commissioner, failing to consult with the union on the use of its name, failing to open a file so her partners knew what she was doing, failing to report the AWU-WRA to the union or police after she had found out it had been used for fraud at the very same time the AWU was investigating internal fraud. One could go on, and that’s before we get to her ringing up newspaper editors demanding stories be pulled or using minor errors as an excuse to browbeat the press. I expect better of candidates for the Prime Ministership of Australia, apparently others do not.

Did she do any of this for other clients?
Did she do all this becuase her client was her lover?

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 3:31 pm
Words used by Hawke in general answers:

“Contemporaneity”

“Hegemonical”

“Modus vivendi”

C.L.

20 Nov 12 at 3:32 pm
What else would she do for a lover – or former lover in the party?

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 3:32 pm
I wonder why the media aren’t chasing Bruce Wilson? He won’t say anything but isn’t it de rigeur to have a photo of him scurrying into his flat with a newspaper obscuring his face?

I have wondered that too. Perhaps he would be useless as a witness too?

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 3:32 pm
Perhaps we can get back to discussing policy now.

You mean Labor policy failure? That’s just what they’ve tried to avoid since about February last year. The real problem for Labor though is the plurality of policy failure.

Tintarella di Luna

20 Nov 12 at 3:32 pm
I wouldn’t trust Blewitt as a witness

Well it’s obvious that you can’t trust the Red Dalek. But you can trust the evidence. As Michael Smith keeps saying, “every touch leaves a trace”. The beauty of the PoA as incriminating evidence is that proving JEG acted illegally doesn’t depend on the credibility of Blewitt as a witness- the logic of time, place and the law will show that Gillard acted improperly, and Blewitt’s statement is just icing on the cake.

Cold-Hands

20 Nov 12 at 3:34 pm
The media seems to be ramping it up on the faux J Bishop story…the more gillard’s dubious dealings get mentioned, the more they attack Bishop. Just like monty and sfb with their increased frequency of rantings defending the poor wee hard done-by and victimized prime minister of Australia.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 3:35 pm
The government’s proposal to place the onus of proof on the defendant in alleged discrimination cases is justified by this extraordinary piece of ‘reasoning’:

“But Human Rights Commission president Professor Gillian Triggs says changing the burden of proof is a “commonsense” idea.

“It means that those with the relevant information will be the ones who are required to supply it – this is consistent with other civil claims processes in Australia,” she said.

“[The proposed legislation] provides greater certainty for business by clarifying the evidentiary requirements for complaints and providing a streamlined ability to reject complaints.”

What a load of tosh. If I sue somebody in a civil court, it is not up to them to prove that they didn’t do something – it is up to me to prove that they did, and that I suffered loss or damage as a result.

This is Orwellian language at its finest. George Brandis has so far only been cautiously unconvinced about it in his public comments – what’s wrong with the man?

johanna

20 Nov 12 at 3:35 pm
These are common practices for lawyers,

Incorrect. The only reason a partner in a law firm would keep a file secret from their partners is they have something to hide. And don’t you think it slightly suss that the file Gillard did keep secret was one involved in massive union fraud?

as has been detailed by Jon Faine

lol

This pillar of the AWU case is built on a misconception that Gillard calling the association a “slush fund” is a confession that it is involved in fraud.

No. As detailed by Andreas above this is illegal because Gillard lied about the purpose of the ‘slush fund’.

The WA Act that the AWUWRA was created under allows associations to be used for this purpose.

Wrong. That is why Gillard had to write and lie to the commission. It is also the reason the file containing that letter has gone missing.

Gillard’s statements are all consistent with her understanding that this was part of the association’s purpose. Her calling it a “slush fund” does not mean she knew about or was in any way connected to the allegedly illegal uses of the association by Blewitt and Wilson. She did not contradict herself.

She absolutely contradicted herself. Her later excuse that it was a slush fund that would be used to elect officials who would implement workplace safety is pathetic. Do you believe that the letter to the commissioner said anything remotely like that? That’s why the letter has gone missing.

It is classic he-said-she-said.

True. But it is evidence.

He is a hopelessly compromised witness.

Maybe. Maybe not.

What a storm in a teacup this is. Man Gives Gift To Girlfriend. Hold the front page.

Again refer to Andreas above. It was given at a very interesting time.

Are you going to demand Gillard hand over her bank records now?

Yes.

Gillard has addressed all of these under extended journalist questioning

No she hasn’t. How could she possibly be unsure whether any ‘slush funds’ were used to renovate her house? Have you ever employed a tradesman and he builds a fence you haven’t asked for? How gullible do you have to be to accept that at face value?

and you have no evidence to prove otherwise

Yes I have in regards to misleading parliament. Gillard told parliament that the reason she didn’t report the matter to police or the AWU once she knew of the fraud, was because there was already an investigation occurring. That is a lie.

By all means though, keep pretending this is a smear campaign. The rest of us will settle back and enjoy the show.

jupes

20 Nov 12 at 3:39 pm
Bob was very fond of getting his modus vivendi in.

blogstrop

20 Nov 12 at 3:39 pm
No-one will employ anyone anymore – Thank you Rugby-neck Roxon from all the “imployees” not so much the “imployers” though

Tintarella di Luna

20 Nov 12 at 3:39 pm
Well, Jupes, it is a smear campaign until one makes a specific allegation and then substantiates it and the Australian has not made an allegation nor made one out.

Scapula

20 Nov 12 at 3:41 pm
I wonder why the media aren’t chasing Bruce Wilson? He won’t say anything but isn’t it de rigeur to have a photo of him scurrying into his flat with a newspaper obscuring his face?

The Oz had a photo of Wilson ($) going into his flat- it looks as though he was ambushed, so didn’t have the opportunity to hide his face. Working as a cook seems to have gone straight to his gut: he’s not the trim figure he was when he swept the young and naive lawyer off her feet in the ’90′s.

Cold-Hands

20 Nov 12 at 3:42 pm
Heard Roxon waffle on today about this latest debacle of theirs. Apparently employers will now no longer be able to ask if a female candidate is thinking of having a family in the future. Roxon completely unaware that this has been the case for many many years.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 3:42 pm
Gab, my contributions today hardly constitute “rantings”.

It’s just part of the routine chronic over-exaggeration you have learnt from CL and others here.

steve from brisbane

20 Nov 12 at 3:43 pm
No-one will employ anyone anymore – Thank you Rugby-neck Roxon from all the “imployees” not so much the “imployers” though

They said that about child labour laws in the nineteenth century.

Scapula

20 Nov 12 at 3:44 pm
Even apes have midlife crises: study

3:31PM A NEW study shows evidence that apes experience a midlife crisis, pointing to evolution rather than the hassles of modern life as the cause.

Yes. I know of a few apes that have the same symptoms.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 3:45 pm
The racist ACTU at it again:

ACTU rejects Indon guest worker plan

3:12PM A PLAN devised by Indonesian and Australian business groups to establish a guest visa program for Indonesian workers should be rejected, the ACTU says.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 3:46 pm
This is interesting. Fracking companies in the US are cleaning up the frack water and reusing it.

While the recycled water can’t currently be cleaned up enough for drinking or growing crops, it can be cleaned of chemicals and rock debris and reused to frack additional wells, which could sharply cut the costs that energy companies face securing and disposing of water.

I wonder if we could do that here?

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 3:47 pm
maybe the tampa can bring them over?

Scapula

20 Nov 12 at 3:48 pm
Why it was only a week ago we heard much noise from Labor about the importance of Indonesia to Australia. Did the ACTU not get the memo?

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 3:49 pm
jupes, there’s no point arguing with you if you insist on repeating ignorant lies told by others.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 3:52 pm
It’s just part of the routine chronic over-exaggeration you have learnt from CL and others here.

Steve believes the world is endangered by ‘climate change.’

C.L.

20 Nov 12 at 3:52 pm
SFB also believes that a storm at 10.30 in the morning heralds the end of the world as we know it.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 3:53 pm
Apparently employers will now no longer be able to ask if a female candidate is thinking of having a family in the future. Roxon completely unaware that this has been the case for many many years.

Breaking.
Gillard government gives women the franchise, calls previous system “misgynistic and outdated”, and accuses Tony Abbott of wanting to deny women the right to vote.

Tomorrow: Gillard government floats the dollar.

dd

20 Nov 12 at 3:54 pm
We will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances (preferably low waged, union-busters) in which they come.

Scapula

20 Nov 12 at 3:54 pm
jupes, there’s no point arguing with you if you insist on ~~repeating ignorant lies told by others~~ rebutting my arguments with facts. I give up.

FTFY M0nty.

jupes

20 Nov 12 at 4:01 pm
Scrapula continues to crank the slogans out – he’s a random cliche generator, and an obsolescent one at that.

blogstrop

20 Nov 12 at 4:07 pm
m0nty, just for a moment, try taking off your ALP hat and answer this:
Does it strike you as unusual that there have been 4 lots of files gone missing that have the potential to incriminate the PM?
If not, why not?

Huckleberry Chunkwot

20 Nov 12 at 4:11 pm
I think some have been found HC. Not all, but some of the Court ones.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 4:13 pm
Well, Jupes, it is a smear campaign until one makes a specific allegation and then substantiates it and the Australian has not made an allegation nor made one out.

Don’t you think it even slightly curious that the letter Gillard wrote to the WA Corporate Affairs Commission detailing the purpose of the AWUWRA has gone missing?

What about the file from Slater and Gordon? Surely just a coincidence right?

A criminal dumps $5000 into Gillards account at the time when he is defrauding hundreds of thousands of dollars but hey, that could happen to anyone right?

Gillard can’t be sure money from the scam wasn’t used in her renovations. Happens all the time in the renovation business. I myself often wonder who is paying for my renovations. Oh and thanks for the fence I didn’t ask for.

Yea no worries Scapula. It’s just a smear campaign.

jupes

20 Nov 12 at 4:13 pm
m0nty, just for a moment, try taking off your ALP hat and answer this:
Does it strike you as unusual that there have been 4 lots of files gone missing that have the potential to incriminate the PM?
If not, why not?

In one of my previous lives, I was a journalist at a magazine covering the records management industry. Exciting, I know. This sort of thing happens all the time. As has been shown with one of those four files, the explanation is usually incompetence rather than conspiracy. But hey, go ahead with your conspiracy theories, knock yourselves out.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 4:14 pm
Jupes I am no longer surprised by the $5000 deposited into my account courtesy of my boyfriend. Happens all the time. Could happen to anyone.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 4:16 pm
Someone went looking for the files linked to Abbott’s court case many years ago 0 and they were missing!!! happens all the time.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 4:18 pm
But hey, go ahead with your conspiracy theories, knock yourselves out.

So all just one big conspiracy theory eh?
LOL

Huckleberry Chunkwot

20 Nov 12 at 4:18 pm
So all just one big conspiracy theory eh?
LOL

You have a theory that Wilson and Gillard conspired to defraud. So yes, it’s a conspiracy theory.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 4:20 pm
In one of my previous lives, I was a journalist at a magazine covering the records management industry

m0nty, you are lying. I do not believe that there is , or ever was for that matter, a magazine devoted to the records management industry.
A newsletter maybe, a magazine with “journalists” employed? I call bullshit.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

20 Nov 12 at 4:21 pm
I shit you not, Huck.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 4:22 pm
Gab has a boyfriend?

steve from brisbane

20 Nov 12 at 4:23 pm
PARLIAMENT resumes next week and Question Time should be even more fun than usual. According to The Australian, Ralph Blewitt has settled on an arrangement with Victoria Police and is now about to sing.

Just for the record, let us hope an honourable member tables the transcript of Sunday’s Insiders, which saw the usual courtiers and eunuchs in ferocious agreement about there being nothing whatsoever worth investigating in regard to our Prime Minister’s honesty and character.

In years to come, when scholars ponder why the “quality press” collapsed and its credibility with it, Cassidy & Co.’s smuggeries will make a key footnote.

http://bunyipitude.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/barrie-lenore-and-david-meet-ralph.html

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 4:25 pm
Happens all the time. Could happen to anyone.

Thankfully, it no longer happens to me following my decision to ban girlfriends.

“Hey Rabz, I need a new dress/jewellery/shoes, could you deposit $5,000 into my bank account, honey, toot sweet?”

“No worries, light of my life, I’ll just head off to the casino…”

Rabz

20 Nov 12 at 4:27 pm
Was it work experience m0nty? Surely no-one could be paid for such a thing.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

20 Nov 12 at 4:27 pm
Sooking For A Shark

Wherein Bunyip details the hilarity of Ben Cubby and Graham Readfearn consoling each other over a shark’s demise.

Grief is ramped up to eleventy!!!11!!!

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 4:28 pm
But Rabz, I don’t even have to ask.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 4:29 pm
Was it work experience m0nty? Surely no-one could be paid for such a thing.

There is actually a fair bit of coin in records management. Enough to keep me and two other journos in work, in the late 90s.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 4:33 pm
What the he’ll happened to IT last night!!!! Is he back on the sugar?

Tal

20 Nov 12 at 4:41 pm
There is actually a fair bit of coin in records management. Enough to keep me and two other journos in work, in the late 90s.

That’s why I come here: to learn nuggets of fact.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 4:41 pm
Gab has a boyfriend?

Yes, he’s a real cool cat.

Scapula

20 Nov 12 at 4:43 pm
What happens when he overdoses on Gingernut biscuits, Tal. he turns into a SFB.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 4:44 pm
Sure it wasn’t margaritas Gab,he does like em

Tal

20 Nov 12 at 4:48 pm
I am trying to change the tone of this blog with musings on suburban whimsy. I’m busy conjuring up some quaint anecdotes for the next Open Thread.

Infidel Tiger

20 Nov 12 at 4:59 pm
Sure it wasn’t margaritas Gab,he does like em

Could have been, Tal. Don’t know but whatever it is, IT talking like SFb is damn scary.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 5:01 pm
IT,sweety,really!!!!

Tal

20 Nov 12 at 5:02 pm
“So yes, it’s a conspiracy theory.”

Surely, when one of the conspirators (in this case Blewitt) admits to the conspiracy, it advances from conspiracy theory to at least allegation.

2dogs

20 Nov 12 at 5:18 pm
I should never have started reading this article at HuffPo because I knew what it would say. But I did. And I’m enraged at the cul-de-sac thinking behind it.

In an equal world, with half of all Fortune 500 CEOs being women, instead of 3 percent today, women would earn the same as their male counterparts. Bronstein told The Story Exchange she believes having more women in charge would lead to higher rates of employee retention and paid family leave at companies.

With women earning equal pay, the average incomes would rise and the number of families in poverty would fall. The GDP in the U.S. would grow by 9%, according to UN estimates,

Why would all this occur? Are there no bad and greedy women bosses?

And they flat out lied about the UN estimate:

It is estimated that if women’s paid employment rates were raised to the same level as men’s, America’s GDP would be 9 percent higher;

That’s participation rate, darlin’, nothing to do with CEOs.

She said part of this is because women focus more on what life will be like for future generations, including their children and grandchildren. That longer-term thinking would mean a focus on preventative measures in healthcare today, she adds.

No, no, no. They may focus on their own children and grandchildren. And the idea my Dad was so utterly short termist that he made sure Mum, myself and my brother had a roof over our heads and made sure there were plenty of savings for Mum to rely on when she was on her own.

It’s insulting. /rant

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 5:21 pm
Meanwhile, the Republican Party needs a cuddle.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 5:24 pm
Speaking of unequal pay and misogynists, the women in the White House still earn 18% less than their male counterparts.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 5:26 pm
Surely, when one of the conspirators (in this case Blewitt) admits to the conspiracy, it advances from conspiracy theory to at least allegation.

Okay, so let’s put Blewitt up on charges he has admitted to then. Who else? Wilson, if there is evidence against him. Gillard… oh wait, there is no evidence of any wrongdoing on her part. As the Oz is at constant pains to point out. All you have is a conspiracy theory to say otherwise.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 5:27 pm
I wish our parties had animal symbols.

Labs: rottweiler
Greens: feral cat
Libs: Rin Tin Tin

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 5:29 pm
Good thought, DaveF.

Labor: golden labrador (insert Old Yeller jokes as you wish)
Green: potoroo
Liberal: British bulldog
Democrats: dodo
Sex Party: rabbit
LDP: some sites claim it should be penguin? Perhaps a penguin with sunglasses sunning itself in a hammock, enjoying AGW.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 5:38 pm
Democrats: dodo

Nice.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 5:40 pm
I wish our parties had animal symbols.

Labs: mangy cur

Greenfilth: dead beached whale

Rabz

20 Nov 12 at 5:45 pm
“there is no evidence of any wrongdoing on her part”

Blewitt’s statements count as evidence against Gillard, m0nty. It’s for a jury to decide if he is lying. But he is making statements from (what he claims to be) his own observations; these are not simply crackpot conclusions that he might merely have jumped to – he is (per his own claims) speaking from specific knowledge.

2dogs

20 Nov 12 at 5:53 pm
Buried in the lead:

The federal government is moving towards a jobs services agency model rather than an employer-driven model, the Senate was told.

There was confusion over which Labor frontbencher was responsible for the area.

Finance Minister Penny Wong told the chamber she had to check she was the representative for Indigenous Employment Minister Julie Collins in the Senate.

Incredible. They really have no idea what they’re doing.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/fears-indigenous-job-providers-could-close/story-e6frfku9-1226520558843#ixzz2Ck8dYg5E

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 5:54 pm
I found a summary of what the NDIS will do. Not quite the detail Ive been looking for but it gives me an idea of what it is.

Fun facts

eligibility is basically if you can’t use the toilet by yourself

it will cost roughly the same as medicare currently does !!!

bureaucrats clip 10% of the ticket.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 6:06 pm
Shocker! Unexpected!

Amnesty International visited Nauru and reported the conditions ‘appalling’.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 6:11 pm
Rick Santorum will move a motion at the next convention to change the Republican’s symbol due to this scandal:

-Both Asian and African elephants engage in long-term same-sex relationships (in contrast to the fleeting nature of simply mating with the opposite sex). This applies to both male and female elephants. In Asian elephants, at least 45% of sexual activity is homosexual!

steve from brisbane

20 Nov 12 at 6:16 pm
Oh Lordy DaveF

Tal

20 Nov 12 at 6:18 pm
Gee SfB that’s an eye opener do you have a link?

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 6:18 pm
Blewitt’s statements count as evidence against Gillard, m0nty. It’s for a jury to decide if he is lying. But he is making statements from (what he claims to be) his own observations; these are not simply crackpot conclusions that he might merely have jumped to – he is (per his own claims) speaking from specific knowledge.

Blewitt is a self-confessed fraudster, who has a strong motive to lie about Gillard so that he can return to Australia and escape prosecution. He has about as much credibility as Bernie Madoff.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 6:19 pm
Bernie Madoff frauded on his own. He didn’t involve his lawyer. In his case he didn’t even involve his accountant, the bloke was just dopey.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 6:25 pm
Blewitt is a self-confessed fraudster,

Yes. However if he was in Perth on the same date that Gillard was in Melbourne on the date that the POA was signed, then Gillard is Gonski.

The cops already have the POA. Shouldn’t be too hard to prove.

jupes

20 Nov 12 at 6:41 pm
Can some lawyers please riddle me this – I’m genuinely puzzled.

With the guy arrested on suspicion of the rape and murder of Jill Meagher here in Melbourne a few weeks ago, the media were at great pains not to show pictures of the accused, and there was a big campaign to stop facebook sites showing any detail about him like prior criminal history.

Now they’ve arrested another person on suspicion of another murder, and the Age not only identifies him, it details his previous muderer conviction, and even has a screenshot of his Facebook correspondence with the victim. The screenshot even identifies other people posting to the guy’s wall without blanking out their names.

This article came out shortly before the accused was arrested.

How is this not severely compromisng the chance of a fair trial and a conviction if it was such an issue in the Meagher case?

papachango

20 Nov 12 at 6:41 pm
How is this not severely compromisng the chance of a fair trial and a conviction if it was such an issue in the Meagher case?

Won’t matter anyway.

He only got 13 years for his last murder.

jupes

20 Nov 12 at 6:44 pm
What a surprise. Some of the missing files were founf filed in the wrong place! Surely that has never happened before. It must have been an inside job by the federal court unionists to hide the files, surely?

SteveC

20 Nov 12 at 6:46 pm
What happened to the other three lots of missing files?

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 6:47 pm
Ooooh, mystery!

SteveC

20 Nov 12 at 6:55 pm
Ooooh, mystery!

Yes and i’m sure you’d be spitting out the same remark if the three lots of missing files concerned a certain conservative minister.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 6:57 pm
Meagher was turned into a celebrity by the media.

Tiny Dancer

20 Nov 12 at 7:01 pm
What a surprise. Some of the missing files were founf filed in the wrong place!

Yes.

But there are three more missing files. Two of those are incriminating:

The letter Gillard wrote to the WA Corporate Affairs Commission. This was required to convince the commissioner that the AWUWRA was ridgy didge i.e. NOT a slush fund.

Slater and Gordon’s file on the AWUWRA.

Both these would make interesting reading don’t you reckon Steve? Too bad these files will never be found.

jupes

20 Nov 12 at 7:01 pm
The cops already have the POA. Shouldn’t be too hard to prove

Can you prove where you were on a particular day 17 years ago, jupes?

Why would the cops care about an offence that can’t be prosecuted due to statute of limitations anyway? No, you’ll have to find better than that.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 7:02 pm
True, you’ve got to wonder about that Blewett fellow’s credibility, as he is from the group of thieves none of whom have faced charges.

He’s a sad sort of pathetic looking ill man too. A strange story.

candy

20 Nov 12 at 7:07 pm
I wish our parties had animal symbols

ALP – Inbread Rabbit dieing from Myxomatosis

Lib – Pug Dog wearing a bonnet

Greenfilth – Dead animals hanging off a wind turbine

Carpe Jugulum

20 Nov 12 at 7:17 pm
Looking out at a nice sunset happening again. Eating BBQ’d macadamia prawns plus basmati rice with a nice glass of McLaren Vale Shiraz. Might put on ‘Rust Never Sleeps’ soon – Neil Young live at the Cow Palace in Los Angeles.

Septimus

20 Nov 12 at 7:17 pm
Neil Young …. and Crazy Horse.

The video? Or the CDs through the headphone?

Decisions, decisions.

Septimus

20 Nov 12 at 7:22 pm
JC

See my comment at 9.33 am today. Answer some #@*&ing questions.

GO!!

.

20 Nov 12 at 7:27 pm
Can you prove where you were on a particular day 17 years ago, jupes?

Oh you’re back talking to me M0nty.

Possibly. There may be records from their workplaces (notwithstanding that the Slater and Gordon records have probably been misplaced as well). There may be phone records. There may be bank records. There may be witnesses.

jupes

20 Nov 12 at 7:30 pm
Jupes I am no longer surprised by the $5000 deposited into my account courtesy of my boyfriend. Happens all the time. Could happen to anyone.

Not to me it doesn’t. Why won’t any dodgy suspects give me 5G?

nilk

20 Nov 12 at 7:35 pm
Monday, 20 November, 1995?

I was probably at school. There would be records. If I withdrew money from the bank, it may be possible that records still exist.

I’m sure a lawyer with expenses, cab charges, salary, timesheets, a credit card and a mobile phone could also prove where they are, or someone else could prove it – probably also on weekends.

.

20 Nov 12 at 7:35 pm
Lab: hyena

Greens: boa constrictor

Lib: lioness protecting her cubs

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 7:38 pm
I looked it up, I was Wednesday from memory.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 7:40 pm
Was the wife of Gillards ” boyfriend ” aware that her husband had a girlfriend at the time in question?
We need to have a media outlet that interviews wives (of naughty men ) with offers of money that rival the offers given to celebrity wedding exclusives.
Start with Mrs Blewett*, then Mrs Emerson* and throw in Mrs Thomson* and Mrs Slipper*.
Pay per view will make em temporarily wealthy.
(* this may not be the surnames they really use)

jumpnmcar

20 Nov 12 at 7:41 pm
That’s headphones, plural. Heh.

Septimus

20 Nov 12 at 7:41 pm
Why would the cops care about an offence that can’t be prosecuted due to statute of limitations anyway? No, you’ll have to find better than that.

Try again m0nty; The Statute of Limitations can be waived by the Attorney General if it is in the public interest. Given that the Attorneys General of ALL the relevant states (WA, Vic, Qld & NSW) have no reason to owe the PM any favours, the Statute of Limitations will almost certainly not be an issue if there is sufficient grounds for a prosecution. Similarly, Brandis will be amenable by the time the police are ready to proceed.

Cold-Hands

20 Nov 12 at 7:43 pm
Not to me it doesn’t. Why won’t any dodgy suspects give me 5G?

nilk, you don’t know the right sort of people. A feather in your cap from where I’m sitting.

Cold-Hands

20 Nov 12 at 7:46 pm
Try again m0nty; The Statute of Limitations can be waived by the Attorney General if it is in the public interest. Given that the Attorneys General of ALL the relevant states (WA, Vic, Qld & NSW) have no reason to owe the PM any favours, the Statute of Limitations will almost certainly not be an issue if there is sufficient grounds for a prosecution. Similarly, Brandis will be amenable by the time the police are ready to proceed.

LOL, completely ridiculous.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 7:50 pm
The Statute of Limitations can be waived by the Attorney General if it is in the public interest.

Is that true? If so it’s a dubious power.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 7:50 pm
Uh-oh …. trés embarrassment … the Cow Palace is not in Los Angeles, it’s in San Francisco.

Doesn’t matter … ‘Rust Never Sleeps’ is excellent no matter where it was recorded.

Septimus

20 Nov 12 at 7:54 pm
Can you prove where you were on a particular day 17 years ago,

Actually yes i could, i was at sea so a quick reference to daily orders or the ships log would cover that. (These are archived)

Of course if i needed a precis of that i had done the Report of Proceedings to Maritime Headquarters would cover that too.

Carpe Jugulum

20 Nov 12 at 7:56 pm
Caught the end of Richard Fidler’s “Conversations” today on ABC radio. Used to enjoy it but that has been somewhat spoilt by his pally and jokey friendliness with the scumbucket who lodged next door to Sarah Palin’s family home in order to write a take-down of her in the tradition of the scurrilous left yellow press.
Anyway, today Richard did a bit of a promo for the show, saying that they were issueing a USB key with their pick of the 25 best programs. Then he totally spoiled it by saying there was a bonus show, in fact with video. It’s his interview with Leigh Sales. Nuff said. Epic Fail.

blogstrop

20 Nov 12 at 7:58 pm
Not to me it doesn’t. Why won’t any dodgy suspects give me 5G?

Move to Frankston and hang around the train station looking like a dealer. You’ll cash out in no time.

Carpe Jugulum

20 Nov 12 at 7:59 pm
LOL, completely ridiculous.

If you don’t believe me, believe Richo ($)

A Health Services Union insider assured me the other day that neither Thomson nor Michael Williamson will have a criminal problem over the use of a credit card from the printer who had received huge sums to print the union magazine. The statute of limitations would save them because of the lapse of time.

Sadly, I am the harbinger of more bad news. When the Australian Securities & Investments Commission was investigating me over the Offset Alpine affair, the statute of limitations was no help. Philip Ruddock, then attorney-general, simply exercised his discretion to waive it in the case. Can you imagine the pressure on Nicola Roxon if this issue raises its ugly head again? She will waive the statutes effect in a flash, as will the Liberal attorneys-general in NSW and Victoria, if they are asked to. When it was done to me, I didn’t worry. I knew I was innocent. I hope Thomson and Williamson are as relaxed and comfortable as I was then.

If the usual torpid pace of police investigations continue as it has for Thomson, by the time the police are ready to proceed, Brandis and the state A-G’s will give them the go ahead.

Cold-Hands

20 Nov 12 at 8:00 pm
Can you prove where you were on a particular day 17 years ago

Running a small business, very few days off, no time to travel. Where else would I be?

blogstrop

20 Nov 12 at 8:00 pm
Why won’t any dodgy suspects give me 5G?

It helps to be three degrees of separation from Julia. She knows people. *nudge, wink*

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 8:00 pm
There may be records from their workplaces (notwithstanding that the Slater and Gordon records have probably been misplaced as well). There may be phone records. There may be bank records. There may be witnesses.

Such records can be destroyed after seven years according to longstanding ATO practice (recently changed to five), and since there is no incentive to spend oodles of dollars keeping them after that period, no one does. Testimonies of witnesses after such a long time would be problematic to the extreme, not to mention that most people likely to testify will likely be implicated themselves.

It’s a wild goose chase, face it.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 8:01 pm
the statute of limitations was no help. Philip Ruddock, then attorney-general, simply exercised his discretion to waive it in the case.

That’s good to know.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 8:07 pm
Actually yes i could, i was at sea so a quick reference to daily orders or the ships log would cover that. (These are archived)

LOL, you’ll have to hope that Blewitt ran away to sea for a time.

Mention of the Offset Alpine story led me to this ABC PM report, which mentions a certain Eddie Obeid. Small world.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 8:10 pm
It’s a wild goose chase, face it.

lol. On the contrary, it’s the best show in town. I’m stocking up on popcorn for next week in parliament.

The lying slapper has already mislead parliament once. Bishop will take her to the cleaners this time.

jupes

20 Nov 12 at 8:13 pm
I, too feel deprived. During a long and varied love-life, not one of my gentleman friends ever deposited $5k, or even $5.00, into my bank account. I certainly helped to spend the winnings from a good day at the track once or twice (on fine food and booze), but cash – never.

They weren’t stingy types either – can’t abide a stingy man.

Perhaps they just thought I wasn’t that kind of girl.

johanna

20 Nov 12 at 8:14 pm
“Blewitt is a self-confessed fraudster”

Do you accept this confession, or not?

If his confession is correct, Gillard is implicated along with it.

If his confession is false, he may be a crazy man, but you have no history of fraud on which to base your claims.

This is not “the paradox of the court” here. I am pointing out that Blewitt has no history beyond this case of ever making false confessions.

Now, I am not so naive and so my acceptance of his credibility is limited: if both he and Gillard signed stat decs with full disclosure I’d accept Gillard’s, at least until separate evidence came forward to prove Gillard’s version false. But at the moment, it’s Gillard who isn’t talking.

2dogs

20 Nov 12 at 8:15 pm
Wonder if we will be graced with Richo’s presence at the ICAC inquiry into Obeid, Tripodi and co ?

Lesser known is the revelation that in 1994, the year after the Offset fire, Richardson transferred $1 million from his Swiss bank account to the Beirut bank account of Dennis Jamil Lattous (or Lattouf), who is believed to be a Sydneysider.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/obeids-empire-20121116-29hij.html#ixzz2Ckk3nnER

Myrddin Seren

20 Nov 12 at 8:20 pm
Not to me it doesn’t. Why won’t any dodgy suspects give me 5G?

Oh silly, you’ve got to make a false representation to a government agency first to create the means for the fraud.

Also, I do hope your face is the type to fall into indignation and surprise when required. Plus, I’m sure you’re a master at the girly giggle.

Ability to cry in a sincere way seems to be optional.

Token

20 Nov 12 at 8:21 pm
The Statute of Limitations can be waived by the Attorney General if it is in the public interest.

Is that true? If so it’s a dubious power.

In the hands of an AG who respects the rule of law like Phil Ruddock is it not. He noted he used it in his time to pursue a few egregious criminals.

We do wonder about how an Emily’s Lister with a habit of making comment about a case in process and with the habit of mixing her role of Minister / AG though.

Token

20 Nov 12 at 8:25 pm
Fidler’s show lost me a few years ago when he was conversing with someone fairly reasonable who mentioned in passing he was one of the last flensers in Australia.

Paraphrasing:

Fidler: What?

Guest: It was the 60s and in WA, we cleaned whale carcasses.

Fidler [shocked tone] How did it make you feel?

Feel? Like I say that one was the breaking point.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 8:35 pm
Oh yes – did Obeid had an interest in Offset Alpine along with Richo?
As far as I can see Richo is still acting like Umcle Pete for the Labor party a la “minor cause celebre” on morning breakfast TV (ie as boring as batshit).

Oh and didnt our favourite jailed cheating child – son of the aristocracy – whats his name? Rivkin? Oh yes it was Rivkin or was it Adler who also had a hand (sorry corporate ninterest) in the Offset Alpine factory fire read maxima insurance payola?

Now only now do I find out the Obeid family had an interest in Offset Alpine also.

Nice. Stop. Puke.

So who exactly was it that torched the place and cleaned up on insurance? Anyone in jail yet?

Is this starting to look like a sleazy cliub ogf insider mates to anyone else except me?

What resources do we have to fight this BS and why arent they wnorking?

One gets the names that keep popping up confused…

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 8:39 pm
I stand corrected on the AG power to suspend statutes of limitation.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 8:41 pm
Rodney Adler. He of FAI infamy.

I worked on the HIH liquidation and the returns on the FAI branch were nearly half of most of the HIH businesses.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 8:43 pm
Was it the same bunch of hoods who drowned Obeids residence up for sale in Hunters Hill with water shortly before a creditor came looking for foreclosure at an auction?

Yeah – aint nothing beneath the Obeid family. The Law dont mean nothing to them.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 8:44 pm
Carpe, I drive through Frankghanistan not to Frankghanistan, and I don’t do girly or Instant Indignation (just add tears) very well, either, Tokes, so I guess I’ll just have to womble along as I’m doing.

I did meet someone who had met the Red Dalek once, does that count as any degrees of separation?

nilk

20 Nov 12 at 8:44 pm
Maybe a jail cell and the proceeds of crime law will be the only law this family understands.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 8:46 pm
Dave f – I tip my hat to you

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 8:47 pm
Fidler [shocked tone] How did it make you feel?

Feel? Like I say that one was the breaking point.

What did he say back?

“I didn’t feel a thing you goddamned idiot” would have been appropriate.

.

20 Nov 12 at 8:48 pm
Dotty – whats wrong wit ya?
Who has upset you? As a long time and respected enemy I dont half mind you (some of you) and dont like to see you upset!

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 8:51 pm
Dot:

Can’t recall, but he was casual about it.

Reasonably prominent person in the arts from memory.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 8:52 pm
Dave F – the other half of those returns from HIH were sucked Oseas into tax havens by Adler. vA coupla years in jail and the bastard is still richo.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 8:53 pm
Carpe, I drive through Frankghanistan not to Frankghanistan

Dear god i hope you are heading south down the peninsula and not the other way.

Carpe Jugulum

20 Nov 12 at 8:58 pm
Alice the funny thing is that the boss, Ray Williams, didn’t strip it or anything. He just wanted prominence I’d say.

Adler and various others like Brad Cooper took the dough.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 8:58 pm
Anyone see Jodie rich doing time over onetel rip off of Australian investors who lost millions??? Hand on lets tell the real historicalk story of Jodie boy

lets go back to the 1980s when he pulled similar stunt in a computer company that shot up the asx like a rocket with the same hype as his onetel telco and crashed in similar pattern

ie the bastard had been at it in the 1980s and no one stopped him then – only with onetel – he even managed to sucker Packer and Murdoch kids.

Is this the club that gets together every so often to fleece ordinary Aussie investors? All I have to say is buyer beware because they are all still strolling around scott free (planning the next strike?)

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 8:59 pm
Dave f

Adler took the dough to tax havens, Brad cooper was too dumb for that and lived the high life here with the dough.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 9:01 pm
Ray Williams wa s weird character wasnt he? Wanted to tracek in style but wanst quite the stripper that others were…

either way Williams should have seen them coming? So is just as culpable.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 9:03 pm
Anyone see Jodie rich doing time over onetel rip off of Australian investors who lost millions??? Hand on lets tell the real historicalk story of Jodie boy

Alice, I think most of them were institutional/big players. Even Lowy lent them money to buy GSM spectra.

.

20 Nov 12 at 9:05 pm
Cannot recall the name of Jodie rich’s 1980s debacle whree Aussies lost heaps and he got off scott free – must go google it. Incitec keeps coming to mind – similar but its not the right company name.

Oh just remembered the name.

IMAGINEERING. What a fuck up that was.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 9:06 pm
I remember Bob Ellis on Richard Fidlers show;

And screenwriter Bob Ellis, who was a young Sydney University student in 1962. Bob became convinced the end of the world was at hand and escaped with his girlfriend to the Blue Mountains to avoid the inevitable mushroom cloud over Sydney.

A must listen for folk interested in drug induced paranoia.

jumpnmcar

20 Nov 12 at 9:06 pm
Hmm Alice you’re going to have to explain how Imagineering was a fuck up at all or how investors got ripped off.

.

20 Nov 12 at 9:10 pm
Dot – you bet. Institutional big players and a lot of little investors got fleeced. There is a warning in this.
NIce to see you Dot.
I gotta go oto bed. But before I go Ill tell you a story. I had a friend who got sucked into IMAGINEERING at the age of 25 having done an IT course and by 39 the lid was swanning about in floor length Armani coats, with gold jewellry dripping off him (it was the 80s! Kinda flashy about being flashy – so passe now) and he drove some Italian car and owned an apartment in the toaster bvy the time he was not much over 30.

Then it all came crashing dowb, his whole world….
Dont think he ever got a job with so many bonuses ever again

That was the jodie Rich style – get in there, create hyoe, get the media machine working, reward loyal suckers and get them talking about how great it was to work for such a dybanite company, call for all the PR and media you can get

Then fuck off with the money when the bubble collapses and the majority lose their dough. Thats Jodie Rich. Like that ABC Eddie bloke. Shades of the same mould.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 9:14 pm
Sorry meant to say by 32 the guy was rich (ny 29 he was rich) from employment at the hype company Imagineering.

His old friends through he had turned into a complete prat just quietly.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 9:17 pm
Then fuck off with the money when the bubble collapses and the majority lose their dough. Thats Jodie Rich. Like that ABC Eddie bloke. Shades of the same mould.

Wiki indicates the company was sold off to the junior partner it owned half of, Tech Pacific. Imagineering suffered during the early 1990s recession.

Are you saying your mate invested or worked there?

Working at a place that pays huge bonuses and getting laid off in a downturn is something less than 1% of the population ever have an ability to do.

Unless your mate took on colossal amounts of personal debt…I don’t know what you are railing against. Jodee Rich made him unemployable?

.

20 Nov 12 at 9:21 pm
Imagineering was hype company Dot – almost a mirtor iamge of onetel a decade later.

My bet is thats why Packer and Murdoch put bets on one tel. They knew what Jodie could do….short term.

Sometimes you have to kive ling enough to see it repeat before you get the picture.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 9:23 pm
Dot
My friend wasnt “laid off in a downturn”. He was laid off when all the hot air disappeared out of imagineering and the substance became known to all. in short it crashed spectacularly.

you know something? Sometimes the market just isnnt that smart at all.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 9:25 pm
MY mate worked there Dot until it crashed. Never got a gid as good as that one.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 9:26 pm
Imagineering was hype company Dot – almost a mirtor iamge of onetel a decade later.

Really? They sold reputable products for a number of years and suffered, as a high end retailer, during a worldwide recession. What was left over was salvageable and no one was punished civilly or criminally afterwards.

.

20 Nov 12 at 9:27 pm
Jodee Rich has put a lot of Australians well out of pocket Dot. I dont know what you dont understand about that.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 9:28 pm
Imageneering from memory had Oz rights for Lotus 1-2-3 for a song.

It was leveraged into a good business until another software came along then it was a terrible business. Rich didn’t accept the end had come so cooked the books.

Similar with OneTel. He scored an incredible deal with Optus that paid him a good amount for any contract sold, not related to payment of the bill. Made a fortune. Then Optus woke up and changed the terms. The business sank.

He is a great salesman and deal maker. A rotten manager of a business.

Fun fact: when he married there was a nude reception. All. Of. Them.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 9:28 pm
Thats would be Jodee. Nude reception at his own wedding…Jesus I just recall the lavish interiors of both imagineering and onetel – massive fish tanks – pen plant designer label interiors – the hyoe the hyoe etc
Spent a friggin fortune in both cases generating the hype…and underneath the flooboards were rotten.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 9:31 pm
Thanks Dave.

Fun fact: when he married there was a nude reception. All. Of. Them.

What about the celebrant?

.

20 Nov 12 at 9:31 pm
Gotta love Judge Judy.

“$70,000 straight down the sewer.”

Wait until you hear the defendent’s despcription of what the taxpayers got for their largesse.

nilk

20 Nov 12 at 9:32 pm
you know something? Sometimes the market just isnnt that smart at all.

It has put Rich out of business twice. You think he deserves it. The market does the work of the angels.

.

20 Nov 12 at 9:33 pm
I’m not sure it was the wedding. Maybe just the reception. I think both sets of parents attended….

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 9:35 pm
Dor you are too young. Stop looking for angles. Sometimes people just tell you the truth or the facts from the way they see it.

Listen to Davef if you wont listen to grandma and let me go to bed. Im tired. I swam 2.5 ks of laps at 7.30am today on an hour (Ive been swimming a long time so Im used to it) and at my age that isnt bad but it takes it out of me now.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 9:36 pm
What should have put Rich out of business Dot was jail time. The Angels didnt do their job at all.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 9:37 pm
I recall something like that Dafef (nude reception). Made all the papers. Classic Jodee.

Alice

20 Nov 12 at 9:39 pm
I’m not sure it was the wedding. Maybe just the reception. I think both sets of parents attended…

Fark…

What should have put Rich out of business Dot was jail time. The Angels didnt do their job at all.

The market cannot put people in gaol unless we privatise the police…or at least privatise prosecutions once more.

If he cooked the books, he should have went to gaol for fraud, and never been allowed to be a company director again.

.

20 Nov 12 at 9:41 pm
Hang on Alice. 2.5k? laps?

25m pool mate that is…I dunno…a gazillion

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 9:42 pm
Again from recollection the Imagineering cooking of the books was booking shipments as sales however they were on sale or return. They eventually came back and then were booked as something else. Didn’t last long.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 9:44 pm
2.5kms in a 50m pool is 50 laps. Very doable

I do 2kms brisk wal + 10 full sit-ups + 10 full push-ups in my lunch break

Septimus

20 Nov 12 at 9:48 pm
Actually that’s 100 laps or so.

Near enough to a gazillion for me.

I once. ONCE. Swan the length of Avalon, possibly 1km. Nearly drowned me. I was 20 I think.

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 9:48 pm
This guy would make a hell of a movie. I have a historical book that reads like a novel, the seven ordeals of count cagliostro (Giuseppe Balsamo). Rich is like the Australian version.

http://croz.blogspot.com.au/

Chapter 1 – Rich Kids

Anyone who knows anything about One.Tel would be wondering how a man could convince the Packers and the Murdochs to pour hundreds of millions of dollars into a company and then allow that company to go bust. One is left asking what kind of creature would do this. It is in this chapter that Barry attempts to uncover a man (and indeed a family) which are quite extraordinary. Anecdotes of his sister’s nude wedding, his mother’s spirituality and Jodee’s tropical fish business at age 12 make for interesting reading.

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20 Nov 12 at 9:49 pm
wal ? Dunno about him, but I do walk.

Septimus

20 Nov 12 at 9:52 pm
Bundaberg makes a passionfruit soft drink.
It’s quite nice, as are all their fruit pop soft drinks.

kae

20 Nov 12 at 9:54 pm
Dot unfortunately South Africa has dibs on his parentage but he truly is an odd man.

Did I get the wedding wrong? It was his sister’s?

DaveF

20 Nov 12 at 9:57 pm
Those nasty Israelis have gone too far with this bombardment of Gaza.

There must be a way to make them stop. Is there anything the peaceful Gazans could do to make Israel stop these atrocities? I mean, I saw it on the ABC, and it was just terrible.

There must be something that would make Israel stop doing this. The ABC program didn’t seem to know, and they’re all experts on the Middle East, so I am asking the Cat at large, how could Israel possibly be induced into stopping the murderous slaughter it is wreaking?

James in Melbourne

20 Nov 12 at 10:06 pm
Oh, I don’t know. Maybe if we persuade the Pallies to stop shooting rockets at them?

Cato the Elder

20 Nov 12 at 10:11 pm
Got it in one, Catester. Just don’t mention it anywhere around the ABC, or at impeccably progressive dinner parties. It doesn’t seem to occur to them.

I should have tagged my post /sarc.

James in Melbourne

20 Nov 12 at 10:15 pm
Can anyone tell me if the story that the Basel Committee for Bank Supervision of the BIS has actually implemented a rule that says we’re “unofficially” going back to the gold standard?

Basically the scuttlebut I am seeing reckons that gold will become Tier 1 capital by 2018.

The answer is no, Dot. At least I’ve seen no changes to the rules governing bank balance sheets.

JC

20 Nov 12 at 10:23 pm
Time for ‘War of the Worlds’. Haven’t listened to it for quite a while. Saw Jeff Wayne’s live music show a couple of years ago – very good.

Septimus

20 Nov 12 at 10:24 pm
Gotta love Judge Judy.

Goodness, he’s a third year college student? Far out!

Judge Judy is one female I’d be happy to have as our PM.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 10:29 pm
He’s gets $437 for rent but pays no rent and uses it on himself but can’t see that he’s stealing. Why? Because he thinks he’s entitled to get free money. Unbelievably dumb.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 10:31 pm
JC

I have no idea who these people are but I wonder why they are banging on about it

http://www.globalresearch.ca/proposed-bis-banking-regulations-would-drive-gold-prices-higher/31618

As BIS notes in its progress report on Basel III implementation:

http://www.bis.org/publ/bcbs128b.pdf

At national discretion, gold bullion held in own vaults or on an allocated basis to the extent backed by bullion liabilities can be treated as cash and therefore risk-weighted at 0%.

(See footnote 32 on page 26).

As Russ Norman – CEO of Sharps Pixley – wrote in May:

Banking capital adequacy ratios, once the domain of banking specialists are set to become centre stage for the gold market as well as the wider economy. In response to the global banking crisis the rules are to be tightened in terms of the assets that banks must hold and this is potentially going to very much favour gold. The Basel Committee for Bank Supervision (or BCBS) as part of the BIS are arguably the highest authority in banking supervision and it is their role to define capital requirements through the forthcoming Basel III rules.

In short, they are meeting to consider making gold a Tier 1 asset for commercial banks with 100% weighting rather than a Tier 3 asset with just a 50% risk weighting as it does today.

.

20 Nov 12 at 10:33 pm
Judge Judy is one female I’d be happy to have as our PM.

+1

Megan

20 Nov 12 at 10:34 pm
Time for ‘War of the Worlds’

Great Album. Richard Burton’s rich voice doing the narration was superb along with the guy from Thin Lizzie.

Splatacrobat

20 Nov 12 at 10:35 pm
Dot

I haven’t heard about it until now. Look, I think that even if they chose to do this it wouldn’t be hugely significant. Bank balance sheets are nominated in Dollars or whatever which floats against the price of gold (obviously). Banks simply wouldn’t hold that much. They would most likely also margin customers at pretty close to futures with a top up requirement.

If say banks held gold are a reserve asset they would also be most likely told to mark to market.. Hence the problem.

This of course would be altogether different if the Dollar was linked to gold, but of course it isn’t.

JC

20 Nov 12 at 10:42 pm
monty, what the story with your dresses?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/91779052@N00/3455958786/in/photostream/

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 10:57 pm
This little number is a no-go for you, trust me.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/91779052@N00/3455958070/in/photostream/

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 10:58 pm
WTF Gab? WTF?

Fat boy, you don’t wear that turquoise tank top? Say it ain’t so.

JC

20 Nov 12 at 11:02 pm
LOL, they were done for my Mum as she was selling stuff on eBay.

Stalking is not polite, you know.

m0nty

20 Nov 12 at 11:06 pm
Stalking? LOL Don’t flatter yourself. It’s in the public domain you idiot.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 11:07 pm
I’ll think of an obscure discussion point shortly.

IT, if your struggling for an interesting thought provoker try this handy book companion.

The Happy Phrase : Everyday Conversation Made Easily

A compendium of hundreds of phrases to assist even the most inarticulate speaker of English. A phrasebook that will exhaustively prepare you for the trickiest conversational crisis. A how-to-guide for those who don’t have the time or inclination to actually learn.

Splatacrobat

20 Nov 12 at 11:10 pm
NSW Desperate

A sad state of affairs. NSW have just not been good enough to win a State of Origin series. In a desperate move they have gerrymandered the game locations for 2013 in the hope that their supporters at Telstra Stadium can get them two wins and the series.

Fat chance. The problem is they have preferred to play the man rather than the game in the past and have not demonstrated either the talent or the commitment of the Maroons. Unless that changes, they are unlikely to win a future State of Origin series no matter how many of the games are played in Sydney.

Go Queenslanders.

Septimus

20 Nov 12 at 11:19 pm
As promised, just a bit later than planned, Quadrant Online’s expose of the kiddie-scaring warmists who have taken over Ballarat’s Museum of Art.

areff

20 Nov 12 at 11:19 pm
Gwee Run-del?

Oh dear God.

.

20 Nov 12 at 11:20 pm
Good story, areff. My God but they feed absolute crap to children these days in the name of climate. What an horrendous misuse of power.

Gab

20 Nov 12 at 11:36 pm
Feed ‘em crap? Don’t they ever!

Worth remembering: Baillieu is also the Arts minister and could stop this and more beside in its tracks.

areff

20 Nov 12 at 11:49 pm
is this m0nty minus the frock?

Pot-bellied flasher sparks police hunt

areff

20 Nov 12 at 11:55 pm
Splatacrobat,

the guy from Thin Lizzie

Phil Lynott

Septimus

20 Nov 12 at 11:57 pm
munted:

These are common practices for lawyers

Really? It’s common practice for a lawyer whose firm is looking after the legals of an organisation to open up an entity without checking with the authorities of the organisation that the firm works for which just happens to have a similar name, the same name as the organisation the firm represents?

kae

21 Nov 12 at 12:13 am
Cassandra Wilkinson channels all of the totalitarian mass murderers of the twentieth century…

She’s talking about religious freedom:

For all religions to worship freely, however, we must ensure that we, the people, stand above all of them. The church cannot insist on the sanctity of the confessional; everyone must respect the law, including laws against perverting the course of justice, concealing a crime, aiding and abetting a criminal or being an accessory after the fact. The common law must remain superior to God’s law if we are all to remain free to worship as we choose, or worship not at all.

An utterly breathtaking statement. Nothing is superior to God’s law to all of the Christians of the world. But to Wilkinson the mob “stands above” religion in order to prevent imaginary ‘crimes’ taking place or being concealed in the confessional (somebody reads too much Dan Brown). It was preponderantly Christian activists and clergy who drove the Civil Rights movement in the United States – though Wilkinson stands apart from these enemies of the extant rule of law.

The church cannot insist on the sanctity of the confessional…

Yes it can and will for all time – and nothing the state says will alter that fact.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 12:35 am
the people, stand above all of them. The church cannot insist on the sanctity of the confessional; everyone must respect the law, including laws against perverting the course of justice, concealing a crime, aiding and abetting a criminal or being an accessory after the fact. The common law must remain superior to God’s law if we are all to remain free to worship as we choose, or worship not at all.

Yes it can and will for all time – and nothing the state says will alter that fact.

Her comments could just as well be summed up as:
“Everything in the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state…but other than that you’re free”.

twostix

21 Nov 12 at 1:07 am
Phil Lynott

One of the great rock stars of all time for mine. Lizzy were a monumentally brilliant band.

Exhibit A:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux9405qQzao

tbh

21 Nov 12 at 1:22 am
As promised, just a bit later than planned, Quadrant Online’s expose of the kiddie-scaring warmists who have taken over Ballarat’s Museum of Art.

Excellent piece. I’ve scheduled a tweet about 9 hours from now when I can hit the maximum number of both US & Aussie peeps.

sdog

21 Nov 12 at 2:04 am
The State exists at the whim of the people, who can kick it in the face or fuck it up the arse any time they so choose. Democratic leaders are allowed to retire; despots get hanged, shot, or (as did Gadaffi) sodomised with bayonets before being hanged or shot.

It’s the government’s choice how it leaves office, determined by its behaviour while it holds it.

perturbed

21 Nov 12 at 2:25 am
WHAT DOES IT MEAN? “Why is an unemployed hairdresser always waving at us?”

Hahahahaha! Gotta love it.

sdog

21 Nov 12 at 3:46 am
An utterly breathtaking statement. Nothing is superior to God’s law to all of the Christians of the world. But to Wilkinson the mob “stands above” religion in order to prevent imaginary ‘crimes’ taking place or being concealed in the confessional (somebody reads too much Dan Brown). It was preponderantly Christian activists and clergy who drove the Civil Rights movement in the United States – though Wilkinson stands apart from these enemies of the extant rule of law.

This attack on the confessional is bullshit, I agree. It is a fantasy that it is a repository of unsolved Crimes and a fantasy to think the confessional can be legislated against. Dream on.

But it is also a fact that Christians follow secular laws or face punishment, and adherence to religious laws is okay as long as it’s compatible which, since the common law has judeo Christian doctrine (and Greek philosophy and roman law) as an a key influence, mostly your belief in the supremacy of gods law isn’t going to be an issue.

But I think it is an irony that cat participants who profess that their religious law is supreme are the same ones who scoff at or rail against Muslims in Australia and elsewhere who hold the same views about Islam trumping secular law.

Frankly I’m happy to tolerate religious practice as long as it doesn’t transgress Australian law. But if it does then BOOM, motherfucker your ass should be going to gaol no matter what you think your invisible friend told you.

Abu Chowdah

21 Nov 12 at 5:32 am
By the way I realize that was somewhat of a digression, but wanted to say it.

At the end of the day the confessional does no harm and can do some good, I think, and wilkinson’s position is risible.

But she remains, as ever, adorable.

Abu Chowdah

21 Nov 12 at 5:36 am
Maybe we ought to talk of Christian doctrine and forget the Judeo part of that phrase. Unless we have read the Talmud and can vouch for it.

Nick De Cusa

21 Nov 12 at 5:37 am
Maybe you need to speak to your own ignorance and not seek to advocate for others.

Suggest you read Ibn Warraq’s latest book.

Abu Chowdah

21 Nov 12 at 5:55 am
If your not comfortable reading books, try Google. For example, a quick search gives us thus from Wikipedia:

The Ten Commandments, also known as the Decalogue, are a set of biblical principles relating to ethics and worship, which play a fundamental role in Judaism and most forms of Christianity. They include instructions to worship only God and to keep the sabbath, and prohibitions against idolatry, blasphemy, murder, theft, and adultery. Different groups follow slightly different traditions for interpreting and numbering them.

The Ten Commandments appear twice in the Hebrew Bible, in the books of Exodus and Deuteronomy. According to the story in Exodus, God inscribed them on two stone tablets, which he gave to Moses on Mount Sinai. Modern scholarship has found likely influences in Hittite and Mesopotamian laws and treaties, but is divided over exactly when the Ten Commandments were written and who wrote them.

Abu Chowdah

21 Nov 12 at 6:03 am
You are the ignorant one idiot. What are you saying here moron? Have you read the Talmud? Yes or no dummy?

Nick De Cusa

21 Nov 12 at 6:17 am
Davef is right 2.5k in a pool is 50 laps of its a 50metre pool and 100laps if its a 25m pool. Our pool (where the old buggers squad swims) is 25metres.
Dont forget some of these old buggers are old beachie lifesaving boys been around the traps doing masters and ocean swimming. Not me, I dont mind the black line and Ive done a couple of ocean swims but dont like the chaos and the darkness of what lies beneath..

Alice

21 Nov 12 at 6:24 am
Dot

Jodee would make a helluva movie agree..Im surprised Baz Lurhman or someone else hasnt picked up on that idea..

Alice

21 Nov 12 at 6:29 am
Abu, I think you’ve drawn a rather long bow with that attempted parallel or equivalency. Christians are very law abiding people and do not tend to involve themselves in the sort of violent disregard for the law or the open disdain for western society that is endemic to the islamic mob.
Christianity has long been reconciled to the separation of church and state, while islam demands that it runs both. CL may have said that the sanctity of the confessional would remain a bedrock policy, but nowhere will you find this used as justification to hide from or pervert the course of justice.
In many ways Islam is more like scientology than like christianity. It appears to be more of a politcal control system than a religion of personal betterment. Christians may go to war and kill for a good cause, hoping to be forgiven. Islamics appear to kill because they believe they act for their god, which I see as a form of blasphemy, or a gross misunderstanding of god. This is not a god that the “proper” religions would see as helping humans become better people, or at least hoping for it. It is a primitive concept.

Blogstrop

21 Nov 12 at 6:42 am
Time for ‘War of the Worlds’. Haven’t listened to it for quite a while. Saw Jeff Wayne’s live music show a couple of years ago – very good.

Okay, now I’m getting creeped out. I put War of the Worlds on in the car yesterday morning. Earlier it was the New Radicals.

If I put on a cd of Marine Corps Hip Hop Cadence do you think Septimus will have that lurking in his collection?

nilk

21 Nov 12 at 7:10 am
There are and should be tremendous amounts of religious freedom in our magnificent democracy and if you call for a ban on celibacy, soon there will be no principle to protect face or head covering and you’ll be wondering about e-meters and temple garments and transferring your sins to chickens.

Like there aren’t already some parts where women don’t go around all covered up? Do a google images search on “Lakemba shopping” and tell me how inclusive and welocming that feels.

nilk

21 Nov 12 at 7:26 am
But it is also a fact that Christians follow secular laws or face punishment [...]

Frankly I’m happy to tolerate religious practice as long as it doesn’t transgress Australian law. But if it does then BOOM, motherfucker your ass should be going to gaol no matter what you think your invisible friend told you.

So in cases where the State enacts new legislation which turns formerly law-abiding citizens who have simply been following their centuries-old and up-till-now accepted beliefs into outlaws…?

I’m thinking Catholic-run hospitals and abortion, for instance. What if either the Australian or American government decrees that from now on it will be illegal for any medical practitioner or health facility to refuse to abort a woman’s baby on her request, for any reason and at any stage of gestation?

I’m sympathetic to your demand that all citizens obey the law, regardless of their religion, but (in America’s case anyway) I’m also heedful of the US Constitution which deems that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof“.

So yes, citizens should be obeying the law; but there are some laws which by rights should never be enacted in the first place.

sdog

21 Nov 12 at 7:27 am
Thin Lizzie
Exhibit B:

Splatacrobat

21 Nov 12 at 7:40 am
I think it might be a bit of a stretch calling the seal of the confessional “God’s law” in the first place. As far as I can recall, there is nothing in the Gospel on point, and although I haven’t Googled far on the topic, it would appear to have only specifically become part of Church law from the 12th century.

It appears that its direct breach results in automatic excommunication. Seems a bit of over reach for a matter without specific scriptural backing. And in any event, even the Church accepts (so it seems) that salvation is possible for those outside of the Church, so a priest who self excommunicates has theoretical grounds for believing he is not necessarily to be denied salvation.

Having said all of that, I agree that it is rarely ever a practical problem. I don’t know how often priests go to confession, but the authority issues that the laity now sense about the Church mean that few use the old rite of personal confession with any regularity, if at all.

Prediction: this comment will be condemned by CL. No matter; he thinks it’s appalling that Catholics should think for themselves, and comments with such extreme lack of charity on so many topics, and is so routinely dishonest in the way he debates, that he is an extremely embarrassing personal example for his view of his religion.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 8:00 am
It’s instructive that sfb sees the sacrament of confession simply from the point of view of the priest and not the penitent.

dover_beach

21 Nov 12 at 8:20 am
Bolt picks up a report noting the natural justice the people Scupula adores gives to those who try to resist the endless violence.

Note how sympothetic the FauxFacts journalist is to the victim of the crime?

Token

21 Nov 12 at 8:40 am
Treasury Secretary Geithner: Lift Debt Limit to Infinity

(CNSNews.com) – Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said Friday that Congress should stop placing legal limits on the amount of money the government can borrow and effectively lift the debt limit to infinity.

Love this comment.

Back when I was studying economics during the time Canada was being downgraded by lenders, an economic prof said “Canada should just default on its loans.”

I said that’s crazy no one would lend Canada money again.

Exactly said the professor.

It took me a few years to really get the point.

Rudiau

21 Nov 12 at 8:46 am
I think the whole confessional thing is a red herring.

The number of crimes that are hushed up, purely based on the fact one priest told ONE other priest about his crime in a confessional would be tiny. It’s inconceivable that nobody knew what was going on, except the ONE priest who was told about it a confession. If everyone who strongly suspected or knew about child abuse reported to the police, then the confessional admission would be irrelevant.

SteveC

21 Nov 12 at 8:48 am
Waleed Aly had an interesting opinion piece in the SMH (and Age too I guess) last week on the “red herring” confessional topic.

SteveC

21 Nov 12 at 8:52 am
Note how sympothetic the FauxFacts journalist is to the victim of the crime?

Absolutely disgusting.

Fauxfacts really can’t collapse soon enough, I’m afraid.

Rabz

21 Nov 12 at 8:57 am
I’m sympathetic to your demand that all citizens obey the law, regardless of their religion, but (in America’s case anyway) I’m also heedful of the US Constitution which deems that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof“.

At least in Australia we’re generally sensible about what requirements we put on people that may be contrary to their moral beliefs. We don’t force doctors or hospitals to carry out procedures they don’t want to, but we may require them to refer to someone who does. We do however require doctors to report instances of child abuse, even though it may break doctor/patient privilege.

If you take the strict line of allowing anything as long as someone can demonstrate religious belief behind it then you’ll end up with an exemption to FGM.

Chris

21 Nov 12 at 9:04 am
“Why is an unemployed hairdresser always waving at us?””

Perhaps A.Bolt and T.Blair going a bit overboard on t. Mathieson guy now, after all he was just catapulted by circumstances into the role. He couldn’t work in a salon again, the public/media would make it impossible, and he’s not a mother/homemaker so what can he do to fill in time.

candy

21 Nov 12 at 9:05 am
so what can he do to fill in time.

Get a frigging job and stop sponging off taxpayers?

This lobotomised parasite has no formal claim on such obscene taxpayer funded largesse whatsoever.

It’s not like he’s her husband, FFS.

Rabz

21 Nov 12 at 9:09 am
The number of crimes that are hushed up, purely based on the fact one priest told ONE other priest about his crime in a confessional would be tiny.

I agree and so does Janet Albretchson.

I have agreed with a lot of points you have made SteveC, and I agree with this one, whatever the purpose of the RC, we need a good terms of reference so it can benefit our society.

Waleed Aly had an interesting opinion piece in the SMH (and Age too I guess) last week on the “red herring” confessional topic.

He can be very good when he actually acts as a neutral and avoids politics. Unfortunately he too often falls into arguments where he starts by creating a strawman and linking it to the Coalition which ultimately alienates rather than gets a dialog going.

Token

21 Nov 12 at 9:11 am
Perhaps A.Bolt and T.Blair going a bit overboard on t. Mathieson guy now, after all he was just catapulted by circumstances into the role.

Why is Mathieson a sacred cow?

Of late I see they are mostly applying the “sainted” Margaret Whitlam standard on a person who benefits greatly from the public purse.

When you compare this to the endless vitriol Janet Howard suffered (the Margaret Whitlam attack was used as a political attack in the lead up to the 2007 election) it is very mild.

Token

21 Nov 12 at 9:17 am
“Why is an unemployed hairdresser always waving at us?””

He and Her are waving at the adoring reporters. It’s not like they’re waving at family members.

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 9:20 am
It’s instructive that sfb sees the sacrament of confession simply from the point of view of the priest and not the penitent.

I raised the matter from the penitent’s view last week when I noted it seemed peculiar that Cardinal Pell said he would refuse to hear confession from a priest about whom there was some suspicion of involvement in child abuse. (Note: he did not say refuse absolution; he said “hear confession”.)

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 9:23 am
Just standard hypocrisy from Token (and Bolt) then, hey? “Because some Left luvvies were snide about Janet Howard, we can be snide about Mathieson.”

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 9:25 am
“Why is Mathieson a sacred cow?”

Well, he seems to be in an awkward position with no proper role or usefullness. Also i noted Ms Gillard canoodling just embarrasingly with b. Obama in public in front of him, and I felt sympathy for him, as it must have hurt his feelings in some way.

candy

21 Nov 12 at 9:25 am
Wow, SFB for a supposed Catholic you really are ignorant about matters pertaining to the Sacrament of Confession.

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 9:29 am
Gab makes her usual useless contribution.

Care to point out where it is wrong, Sister Gab?

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 9:38 am
Gab makes her usual useless contribution.

Another epic hypocritical fail from the most useless, obnoxious idiot on this blog.

Rabz

21 Nov 12 at 9:42 am
Your taxes at work, people:

Hamas blames Israel for Gaza ceasefire delay

Headline on your ALPBC…

Rabz

21 Nov 12 at 9:46 am
For those interested, I just found this blog post that gives some examples of old “dilemmas” from Catholic manuals of moral theology re the seal of the confessional.

As is often the case, that which some claim is straight forward in terms of Church law and teaching may not always be so clear in its real life application.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 10:18 am
Wonder what Tim feels about Julia enjoying such intimate moments with Obama – and for that matter, what does Michelle Obama think about it?

There is being courteous, and then there is what Gillard is demonstrating, which I believe, goes well past the realms of decent conduct.

p.s. Does Gillard think that Obama is somehow fair game? I mean there have three adulterous relationships in her past – but her touchy-feely schmoozing up to the American president really is beyond the pale.

A Lurker

21 Nov 12 at 10:20 am
Prediction: this comment will be condemned by CL. No matter; he thinks it’s appalling that Catholics should think for themselves, and comments with such extreme lack of charity on so many topics, and is so routinely dishonest in the way he debates, that he is an extremely embarrassing personal example for his view of his religion.

I go to Confession regularly. That’s because I’ve thought about what it is, and what it means, and made that decision for myself.

nilk

21 Nov 12 at 10:25 am
Well, he seems to be in an awkward position with no proper role or usefullness.

He’s fucking our Prime Minister. That’s it. That’s really all. There’s nothing else there. If he wanted to make an honest woman out of her, and she an honest man out of him, they are (unlike gay couples under the all-talk-no-action Lab-Green regime) free to marry. But if it’s just a no-commitment fuck-buddy arrangement, fuck ‘im.

So keep him off the public stage – and off the public tit. If Julia feels the need to compensate him for his services, let her do so out of her own pocket as so many men in similar committment-free “pay for service” circumstances do. But don’t confiscate money out of ordinary working Australians’ pay packets to keep the PM’s low-rent gigolo in the manner to which he’d like to become accustomed. That’s just off.

sdog

21 Nov 12 at 10:42 am
She’d be a whore if she married him, of course.

.

21 Nov 12 at 10:49 am
nilk, I don’t have a problem at all with Catholics who do not question anything about their Church, and who follow practices that were more common (say) 40 or 60 years ago.

What I do have a problem with (or rather, think is just un-realistic nonsense) is the denial of the view that the Catholic Church is in the midst of a major change in terms of how it’s perceived in terms of authority by the large majority of even the practising (mass attending) laity.

A small minority of very conservative Catholics think this is to be resolved by the Church shrinking to those true believers who do not question Church teaching in any respect.

A larger number of people anticipate that the Church will evolve some key teachings to meet what the larger body of the Church now perceives as more informed and moral views on some matters.

I think the later view is right, and the pathway to changes has already been built by many theologians.

I do not appreciate the condemnation of ultra conservatives for holding this view.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 10:54 am
Thin Lizzie
Exhibit B:

Nice choice Splat. I love how they used to play that track and immediately tear into The Boys are back in Town afterwards. Epic.

tbh

21 Nov 12 at 10:55 am
What I do have a problem with (or rather, think is just un-realistic nonsense) is the denial of the view that the Catholic Church is in the midst of a major change in terms of how it’s perceived in terms of authority by the large majority of even the practising (mass attending) laity.

Which would matter if you were the Pope. I suppose since you reckon you’re a “conservative Catholic”, Hi Benny!

.

21 Nov 12 at 10:57 am
sdog: surely you have, or have had, friends who are in de facto relationships? Do you talk about them behind their back in the same way you have just used in the first paragraph?

I wish people would just marry instead of long term de facto relationships too.

However, no sensible person would condemn a de facto relationship they know nothing about as just a “f*ck buddy arrangement”.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 10:58 am
I wonder if Gillard is saving up “the wedding of the year” for next year to get a poll bounce?

It wouldn’t surprise me. Craig Emerson could be Best Man.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 11:05 am
Doesn’t worry me if J.Gillard and defacto are married or not, it’s their business.

But he seems to be on the outer, like a spare wheel, like he’s not needed for anything.
He’s not even brought into conversation with the President. most people would feel hurt?

candy

21 Nov 12 at 11:06 am
SfB I don’t think it’s quite a long term thing either, maybe 3 or 4 years, but I’m not certain.

Anyway the dude has a job with some property development firm.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 11:06 am
However, no sensible person would condemn a de facto relationship they know nothing about as just a “f*ck buddy arrangement”.

Except if the woman’s name is now Santorum and the non-sensible person is Steve from Brisbane.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 11:07 am
Except if the woman’s name is now Santorum and the non-sensible person is Steve from Brisbane.

You appalling liar, CL.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 11:13 am
I wonder if Gillard is saving up “the wedding of the year” for next year to get a poll bounce?

It wouldn’t surprise me. Craig Emerson could be Best Man.

You bet. Maybe the reception will be like Jodee Rich’s sister’s?

.

21 Nov 12 at 11:14 am
Sweet Jesus Dot.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 11:21 am
A legendary Territory yarn from the war.

Pickles

21 Nov 12 at 11:22 am
…I just found this blog post that gives some examples of old “dilemmas” from Catholic manuals of moral theology re the seal of the confessional.

As is often the case, that which some claim is straight forward in terms of Church law and teaching may not always be so clear in its real life application.

In fact, Steve’s own ‘blog post’ gives the answers to the dilemmas and they’re all straightforward.

The seal is inviolable. Always. Always read Steve’s links. Always. He has been caught lying and doctoring quotes for years.

And no, the Church will never approve of the thing Steve holds most dear: killing unborn children. Nor will it approve of women ‘priests.’ As Benedict XVI has pointed out, nor will it ‘overturn’ Humanae vitae – an encyclical astonishingly prophetic and proven absolutely right since its promulgation.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 11:23 am
Steve, please understand that nobody believes I’m the liar. You’re the liar. You attacked Mrs Santorum as a sexual hyprocrite and slut for about a fortnight. Many here questioned your mental health about the manic behaviour at the time. It followed on from an earlier fortnight of deranged obsessiveness about Herman Cane.

You’re a morally sick person.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 11:26 am
sdog: surely you have, or have had, friends who are in de facto relationships?

Unless they stick their hands in my pocket and steal my paycheck to pay for their casual whatsits, I don’t much care what kind of temporary ad-hoc sexual relationships they arrange for themselves.

sdog

21 Nov 12 at 11:30 am
…extreme lack of charity…

Steve recently expressed the desire for many people to be killed in New York so that JC would be proved wrong about the superstorm.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 11:32 am
Anyway the dude has a job with some property development firm.

So let’s see his tax returns.

sdog

21 Nov 12 at 11:32 am
They’re called “no shows”.

.

21 Nov 12 at 11:35 am
tbh, Splatacrobat,

Exhibits A & B are excellent. I don’t have any Phil Lynott/Thin Lizzie works, don’t know why not. Also, I didn’t realise that Lynott is the voice of the preacher on ‘War of the Worlds’.

nilk,

Okay, now I’m getting creeped out. I put War of the Worlds on in the car yesterday morning. Earlier it was the New Radicals.

If I put on a cd of Marine Corps Hip Hop Cadence do you think Septimus will have that lurking in his collection?

Heh heh, spooky hey? Alas, I don’t have’Marine Corps Hip Hop Cadence’ . . . but I do have Songs of the Civil War & Stephen Foster Favorites Picked it up in Salt Lake City 2 years ago.

Please stop laughing.

Septimus

21 Nov 12 at 11:37 am
And no, the Church will never approve of the thing Steve holds most dear: killing unborn children.

Lying, again.

Nor will it approve of women ‘priests.’

Probably would take a long time, that one, if ever. Relaxing celibacy rules is however entirely “do-able”.

As Benedict XVI has pointed out, nor will it ‘overturn’ Humanae vitae

It will continue to be de-emphasised. The view that it is not an infallible teaching, and a product of its time, will increase.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 11:38 am
Steve recently expressed the desire for many people to be killed in New York

In a comment flagged as not serious, I referred to damage to property only.

So lying, again.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 11:41 am
I see that the left’s favourite priest (now that Fr Bob has retired to blessed obscurity) – Fr Frank Brennan – has dismissed the confession panic introduced into discourse by wacko ex-Detective Fox as a media “red herring”, saying also there is no evidence anywhere that it has any relevance to the continuation of child sexual abuse. He also said he would go to jail rather than break the seal.

Now he’s as liberal a priest as there in Australia.

So that contextualises what a left-wing phony ‘Catholic’ Steve actually is.

Frank Brennan would regard him as a loony.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 11:45 am
You attacked Mrs Santorum as a sexual hyprocrite and slut for about a fortnight.

I specifically said that what she did was nothing to criticise by secular standards (she was doing exactly what many young people do – live with a boyfriend/girlfriend in their 20′s) but certainly was completely inconsistent with her current moral standards, especially in light of the fact that her partner was an abortionist. It was a matter she never had addressed, but which was worth addressing if she didn’t want young people to not follow her life example.

I honestly think you have such a lose allegiance to trying to be truthful that you have a mental issue, CL.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 11:50 am
SfB people can change. It’s a bit rough to judge people in that way.

Jesus forgives sins you know.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 11:53 am
So that contextualises what a left-wing phony ‘Catholic’ Steve actually is.

I have repeatedly noted that left-wing figures have largely been cautious about the relevance of the seal of the confessional issue, CL.

I have also pointed out that 2 Catholics (both practicing, I think) Abbott and Pyne, have indicated quite strong support for breaking the seal.

Of course, by your description, they must be “left wing phonys”.

Let’s face it, you can’t argue straight with me if your life depended on it.

You’re a nut, and a not amusing one at that.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 11:53 am
Not lying, Steve.

You fully approve of abortion.

Not only that but you defend and promote it, manically.

Which is a mortal sin, by the way.

You also called for the US bishops to be “punished” by pro child murder lunatic Barack Obama. This is also a serious sin.

If I had any confidence that you’d had a conventional Catholic upbringing – which you plainly didn’t – I’d advise you to go to confession. But you’d probably wander around St Stephen’s looking for a priest on a Sunday afternoon.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 11:53 am
The breaking of the ‘seal of confession’ might only arise as an issue if priests actually divulge publicly that they had given/heard confessions of abuse. If they don’t then it can’t be a relevant matter for examination.

Scapula

21 Nov 12 at 11:58 am
Steve explains his attacks on a woman’s sex life (which he claims above is Really Awful)…

…but certainly was completely inconsistent with her current moral standards, especially in light of the fact that her partner was an abortionist. It was a matter she never had addressed, but which was worth addressing if she didn’t want young people to not follow her life example…

You get the drift.

Steve is hurt that Gillard is criticised but spent a fortnight trashing Mrs Santorum.

You’re a morally sick person, Steve.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 11:58 am
In a comment flagged as not serious, I referred to damage to property only.

So lying, again.

Yes, SFB you’re still lying and you’re still reprehensible for thinking it’s fun to wish destruction on a city just so you can say “nya nya na-nyaa nyaaa”.

Would be really so bad of me to hope for at least moderate destruction of part of New York (just a bit that was already due for tearing down, perhaps) just so I can laugh at JC’s self confidence that it’s no big deal?

steve from brisbane

29 Oct 12 at 4:37 pm

Yeah, just the “bits” where the homeless hang out and the “bits” where residents are still occupying a building that is earmarked for deconstruction in the future. Just those “bits”.

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 12:02 pm
You fully approve of abortion.

Not only that but you defend and promote it, manically.

Both wrong. Lying, based on your imagination.

You’re a fantasy prone character, there is no doubt about it.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 12:07 pm
I have repeatedly noted that left-wing figures have largely been cautious about the relevance of the seal of the confessional issue, CL.

Frank Brennan hasn’t been ‘cautious,’ Steve – you dishonest cockhead.

He has distanced himself absolutely from extremist wackos like you.

LEIGH SALES: You said that if somebody came to you in confession and revealed that they’d engaged in this sort of behaviour, that you wouldn’t divulge it. What was the thought process that lead you to conclude that is the way that you would act?

FRANK BRENNAN: In confession I think that’s quite a simple case. No matter what was confessed to me in confession I am not at liberty to disclose that to anybody. And yes, as a priest, I would agree to going to jail rather than to disclose what was revealed to me in confession. But outside the formal sacrament of confession, if there be a process where material is disclosed to me as a priest, I’m saying that exactly the same legal obligation should apply to me as to you.

And here he is ridiculing and destroying the entire notion:

The seal of the confessional is a red herring when it comes to protecting vulnerable children. Usually when hearing a confession, a priest will have no way of identifying a victim. He will have no idea of the date of any offence; it may have occurred decades ago.

He will have no idea of where any offence was committed; it might have been Parramatta, but then again it might have been Paris or Parabadoo. He more than likely will not even know the identity of the penitent; he might not even get to see him or her behind the confessional veil. If the only information available were from the confessional, chances are that it will be information which is useless to police or child protection officers.

If confessional reporting were mandatory, chances are that the perpetrator would simply not come to confession. So even in brute consequentialist terms, there is no point in making confession reportable to the state.

Most, if not all priests, would prefer to go to jail than disclose material from confession which could “betray in any way a penitent in words or in any manner and for any reason” even if the penitent be a child molester, a murderer, or a terrorist. And that’s not because we don’t feel compassion for children or other innocent persons.

We respect the sacredness of the sacrament where the penitent and God relate in the presence of the priest. Kids will be better protected in future if we put to one side the furphy about the seal of the confessional and address the real questions about uniform mandatory reporting and clear guidelines for reporting any suspected serious crime.

Please take note that Steve from Brisbane is an extremist oddball even in the eyes of Catholic liberals like Brennan and Greg Craven.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 12:07 pm
There have been 30,000 boat people arrivals since the Labour government got in.

That’s an awful lot of people. Scott Morrison points out that’s more people than Alice Springs.

And a suburbs worth died probably.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 12:08 pm
Steve. Get lunch ready and then scare your children a bit more

tiny dancer

21 Nov 12 at 12:10 pm
Gab, I know you like to play CL games too. I don’t think you’re mentally ill, though: just dumb. (Sorry, not very charitable of me. Then again, you made an offensive “joke” about me masturbating over child abuse issues, so I don’t see why I should extend charity to you.)

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 12:11 pm
You’re going to need more screen wipes, SFB.

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 12:17 pm
He has distanced himself absolutely from extremist wackos like you.

Headline alert: “CL calls Abbott and Pyne “extremist wackos”.

I have no strong views on the matter, as it happens. I have indicated repeatedly, as have many Labor politicians, that it is not as if they think this is a major issue for the prevention of future child abuse.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 12:18 pm
FOR THE first time in several years Australia will not be represented by a minister at a major round of international climate change negotiations, with Greg Combet set to miss talks in Doha starting next week.

Sweet. Even Christine Milne is forgoing the Doha junket.

Maybe CAGW is going the way of internet dancing hamsters.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 12:20 pm
What do Cat posters (the sane ones at any rate) think about Blewitt’s testimony to ther police. Will it be a fizzer?

Nic

21 Nov 12 at 12:24 pm
From Cut&Paste:

Wishful thinking? Katharine Murphy, The Age, November 12:

CLIMATE change is one issue that could get interesting between now and the Australian federal election in 2013. Barack Obama keeps bringing it up. There’s speculation carbon pricing is back on the agenda in the US, either as a revenue raising measure (God knows they need revenue), or as an Obamacare “vision thing” equivalent to rally the progressive base.

Dream on! Obama, November 14:

AND, understandably, I think the American people right now have been so focused, and will continue to be focused, on our economy and jobs and growth, that if the message is somehow we’re going to ignore jobs and growth simply to address climate change, I don’t think anybody is going to go for that. I won’t go for that.

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 12:25 pm
Maybe CAGW is going the way of internet dancing hamsters.

We can only hope, unlike the hamsters the Carbin Con gravy train has too many people who have important income streams coming from the fraud.

Token

21 Nov 12 at 12:26 pm
Mr Oakeshott has complained that a loophole that allows miners to deduct from their mining tax liability the royalties they pay to states needs to be closed. The Greens are of the same view because the loophole has become an open invitation to the states to keep raising royalties and gouging the mining tax proceeds.

Err it isn’t a loophole. It was deliberately placed in there to protect the viability of mining companies.

Oh Oneshott you silly, silly man.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 12:28 pm
What do Cat posters (the sane ones at any rate) think about Blewitt’s testimony to ther police. Will it be a fizzer?

Quite likely. Could be wrong, but the fact remains – there has been nearly 20 years for the damning evidence of Gillard’s intimate knowledge of the misuse of the money to be revealed. The fact that it hasn’t indicates it’s not there.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 12:29 pm
Nic: I’d love it to be a bombshell but I’m sure it will be below expectations.

I suspect he was just the dumbf*ck henchman.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 12:30 pm
The Blewitt fellow was a criminal himself. He may be trying to make amends, and good on him, but it’s hard to take seriously given his history.

candy

21 Nov 12 at 12:33 pm
It’s National Go Home on Time Day

Septimus

21 Nov 12 at 12:35 pm
t’s National Go Home on Time Day

Damn that’s where I work from!

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 12:38 pm
Would it be really so bad of me to hope for at least moderate destruction of part of New York (just a bit that was already due for tearing down, perhaps) just so I can laugh at JC’s self confidence that it’s no big deal?

Lovely human being isn’t he?

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 12:40 pm
What do Cat posters (the sane ones at any rate) think about Blewitt’s testimony to ther police. Will it be a fizzer?

Quite likely. Could be wrong, but the fact remains – there has been nearly 20 years for the damning evidence of Gillard’s intimate knowledge of the misuse of the money to be revealed. The fact that it hasn’t indicates it’s not there.

SfB, why did you respond to this?
Clearly, you were excluded by the terms of reference.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

21 Nov 12 at 12:41 pm
…it is not as if they think this is a major issue for the prevention of future child abuse.

Steve surrenders.

And no, Abbott and Pyne wouldn’t believe the seal of the confessional should be subjected to Leigh Sales’s wacky police intervention. They knew they were being set up by the reporters who asked the question and chose not to give them their “Coalition defends rights of child molesters” headline.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 12:44 pm
What do Cat posters (the sane ones at any rate) think about Blewitt’s testimony to ther police. Will it be a fizzer?

Looking at the way Nowoki and Smith have been lining up the evidence, I have the feeling that Blewitt was only going to come and make a statement once enough documents were available to back him.

He knows better than most that he will be a target as a result of this. He knows what happened to Bob Kernohan.

Token

21 Nov 12 at 12:45 pm
Imagine working at Treasury and being told your job was to brief Rob Oakeshott on the technicalities of the mining tax. Tell me you wouldn’t phone in sick?

May as well try and teach your dog to play the piano.

And this is AFTER Oakeshott has voted in favour of the tax.

H B Bear

21 Nov 12 at 12:45 pm
Lies as told by Jonathon Holmes:

Ignored! Jonathan Holmes, ABC1′s Media Watch, Monday:

THE Securency scandal was first uncovered by The Age’s Nick McKenzie and Richard Baker over three years ago (May 23, 2009). The ABC’s Four Corners and 7.30 have been enthusiastic junior partners in the story. But despite its obvious relevance to its big-end-of-town readers, The Australian virtually ignored the scandal until August this year.

Except that The Australian previously reported the story:

May 23, 2009
May 26, 2009
May 28, 2009
May 24, 2010
May 25, 2010
February 12, 2011
July 2, 2011
November 26, 2011
March 13, 2012

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 12:45 pm
Blewitt is a self-confessed crook and liar.

Tread warily.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 12:46 pm
AND, understandably, I think the American people right now have been so focused, and will continue to be focused, on our economy and jobs and growth, that if the message is somehow we’re going to ignore jobs and growth simply to address climate change, I don’t think anybody is going to go for that. I won’t go for that.

Obama fully endorses Tony Abbott.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 12:47 pm
I understand Mrs Oakshott gets bullied when she does the shopping. Rough on her, I hope their kids don’t get picked on.

Reports are he stopped doing local radio not long after his betrayal of his electorate.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 12:52 pm
A small minority of very conservative Catholics…

…. which is growing larger as we speak.

I’m looking forward to seeing what comes out of the seminaries in the next few years.

nilk

21 Nov 12 at 12:55 pm
Who do you trust, a bagman or a big Welsh bullshit artist? That’s a tough one.

Andreas

21 Nov 12 at 12:58 pm
Steve surrenders.

What an idiot. I have been arguing that the view that this RC was a Leftist attack on (amongst other things) the seal of the confessional was not supported by looking at what Labor politicians (and “Lefties” like Waleed Aly) were saying.

In fact, two politicians who made the clearest statements that the seal should be questioned were practising Catholic Liberal ones!

Which of course leads to this:

And no, Abbott and Pyne wouldn’t believe the seal of the confessional should be subjected to Leigh Sales’s wacky police intervention. They knew they were being set up by the reporters who asked the question and chose not to give them their “Coalition defends rights of child molesters” headline.

This is the same magic by which CL attempts to rehabilitate Abbott when he says he wants abortion to be “legal safe and rare”. “Oh, he just has to say that in order not to lose votes” says CL.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 1:07 pm
Nic: I’d love it to be a bombshell but I’m sure it will be below expectations.

I suspect he was just the dumbf*ck henchman.

yeah, I think you’re correct. A pity though.

Nic

21 Nov 12 at 1:10 pm
Stupid decisions made on the run. Hallmark of this Labor government.

PRIVATE hospitals are warning of nationwide cutbacks to chemotherapy services – and one of the nation’s largest regional cancer treatment centres faces closure – over a decision to slash federal government funding for chemotherapy drugs.

Health Minister Plebeserk today:

Really? Oh I didn’t know. Oops

Yesterday, Wong had no idea which frontbencher was responsible for the Aboriginal Employment Strategy program, despite the government making changes to the said program.

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 1:10 pm
Yesterday, Wong had no idea ~~which frontbencher was responsible for the Aboriginal Employment Strategy program, despite the government making changes to the said program~~.

TFTFY

Rococo Liberal

21 Nov 12 at 1:24 pm
~~Yesterday~~ For the duration of her life, Wong had no idea

Even more fixed…

Rabz

21 Nov 12 at 1:26 pm
Tony Abbott absolutely opposes abortion and regards it as an abomination but cannot change the nation’s state and territory laws. That’s not my view – that’s the view of his detractors, who believe his opposition to ‘reproductive rights’ is notorious. This is totally different to Emily’s List extremist Julia Gillard (and Steve) who passionately support abortion as a magnificent ‘right’ and a morally neutral happenstance of Gillardian sexual frolics.

So Steve has backed down on the confession thing (Frank Brennan regarding his ilk as wackos) and now returns to his beloved abortion to save face – which is also doomed. Stay tuned for updates on Mrs Santorum – the slutty unmarried years.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 1:30 pm
Interesting that Steve has nothing to say on Obama’s endorsement of Tony Abbott’s ‘climate change’ policy.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 1:34 pm
Tony Abbott absolutely opposes abortion and regards it as an abomination but cannot change the nation’s state and territory laws.

He can propose Federal changes to Medicare funding. Does he? No.

Why not, CL? He could do so while leaving abortion “legal”. He could help make it “rarer”.

How is a future Federal Coalition government that continues to provide unfettered Medicare funding for abortion in Victoria (available as of right) not a co-operation with the provision of a moral evil, according to you? Certainly a more serious one than a Catholic university in the US having to provide insurance that will provide the pill to a student, I would have thought.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 1:54 pm
Interesting that Steve has nothing to say on Obama’s endorsement of Tony Abbott’s ‘climate change’ policy.

Obama’s shift proves that the policy is not worth the paper its written on.

Scapula

21 Nov 12 at 1:58 pm
I think Obama is a bit cowardly on the issue, CL, even though he believes this is a serious issue that deserves government response. In fact, though, he is doing something towards the issue via the EPA. Just not as much as he could attempt.

The equivalent in terms of abortion is this: Abbott is cowardly on the issue, refusing to contemplate a policy of reviewing the provision of Federal money, as per the example he has from the US. He is also doing nothing indirect on the issue that is the equivalent of Obama’s use of the EPA.

Abbott is a bigger useless coward on this issue than is Obama on climate change.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 2:09 pm
Great news: regular electricity for some of the poorest people in the world.

The children can do homework, mothers can make some money making clothes on an electric sewing machine, refrigeration for safer food storage.

developing countries, such as Guatemala, Cambodia, Morocco, Namibia, Senegal and Sri Lanka, and Uzbekistan, are planning new coal-fired plants even when they produce almost no coal at all.

World trade allows them to produce affordable electricity, they aren’t shackled by their lack of resources. Wonderful.

Oh wait.

“There is a long way to go to raise awareness that you can meet energy needs from sources other than coal,” said Yang

Yes irregular and expensive electricity is what they have now and the green carpetbaggers want that to continue.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 2:42 pm
Just to repeat:

Tony Abbott absolutely opposes abortion and regards it as an abomination but cannot change the nation’s state and territory laws. That’s not my view – that’s the view of his detractors, who believe his opposition to ‘reproductive rights’ is notorious. This is totally different to Emily’s List extremist Julia Gillard (and Steve) who passionately support abortion as a magnificent ‘right’ and a morally neutral happenstance of Gillardian sexual frolics.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 2:55 pm
Shorter CL: I have no meaningful response to your last two comments and will ignore them.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 3:00 pm
Shorter CL addendum: Gab will think I’ve “won” anyway.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 3:01 pm
Blewitt is a self-confessed crook and liar.

Tread warily.

Sound Advice there. I imagine he would be pretty easy to pull apart as a witness, whether in the dock or the upcoming trial by media.

brc

21 Nov 12 at 3:10 pm
My meaningful response:

Tony Abbott absolutely opposes abortion and regards it as an abomination but cannot change the nation’s state and territory laws. That’s not my view – that’s the view of his detractors, who believe his opposition to ‘reproductive rights’ is notorious. This is totally different to Emily’s List extremist Julia Gillard (and Steve) who passionately support abortion as a magnificent ‘right’ and a morally neutral happenstance of Gillardian sexual frolics.

Following the embarrassment of Frank Brennan distancing himself from wackos like Steve, we now have Obama distancing himself from the Steve view and fully endorsing Tony Abbott.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 3:20 pm
Sound Advice there. I imagine he would be pretty easy to pull apart as a witness, whether in the dock or the upcoming trial by media.

His journies through Asia will doubtless be brought up by the MFM. And it won’t be pretty.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 3:24 pm
Shorter CL: I still have no answer to your specific questions.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 3:27 pm
You are the ignorant one idiot. What are you saying here moron? Have you read the Talmud? Yes or no dummy?

Just to recap: I noted that one key basis of the development of Western law is from the Judeo Christian tradition. Then this twat says we should drop the Judeo part unless we have read the Talmud.

Mate, what’s your point? Are you denying the truth of my statement because you are an anti-Semite or simply because you are a microcephalic asshole?

Which is it, dickhead?

Abu Chowdah

21 Nov 12 at 3:37 pm
You are the ignorant one idiot. What are you saying here moron? Have you read the Talmud? Yes or no dummy?

Nick De Cusa
21 Nov 12 at 6:17 am

Have you read the Midrash?

.

21 Nov 12 at 3:41 pm
We ( The Cat collectively ) do seem to be getting some overflow from the Jeff Rense corner of the bloggosphere recently.

Must be a link to the Cat somewhere in the X-Files sector of the interwebs ?

( Disclaimer – love a good conspiracy theory myself, hours of fun to be had, but these drop-ins have had nothing to say about Giant Alien Spaceships, the pyramids or the Knights Templar, so what’s the good of them )

Myrrdin Seren

21 Nov 12 at 3:54 pm
I’m not aware of any ‘question’ you’ve asked me, Steve, nor am I available to answer questions posed by loony trolls. (An old technique meant to convey the notion that you’re running things).

You’re a morally ill person who has spent the day on the internet discussing the sex abuse inquiry and abortion from the standpoint of a phony ‘Catholic’ whom even one so liberal as Fr Brennan would count amongst the wackos.

By the way, you never did state your opinion on whether a woman has the ‘right’ to kill her girl baby. Go!

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 3:56 pm
Crikey now admits: Bolt bigger than the ALP’s Insiders programme.

Bolt enjoys the moment.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 3:58 pm
By the way, you never did state your opinion on whether a woman has the ‘right’ to kill her girl baby.

No, they don’t. You would be hard pressed to find a pro-choice advocate who would not have a problem with it as being a poor reason to have an abortion.

I also have never used a “rights” terminology when referring to abortion.

Now that this is answered:

My questions which your failing eyes apparently can’t see are in my comment at 1.54pm. They are indicated by the use of “?” at the end of a sentence (although the first one is rhetorical and you don’t need to address.)

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 4:07 pm
The bagman cometh … and the friends of the Liberals open their wallets?

Scapula

21 Nov 12 at 4:09 pm
he bagman cometh … and the friends of the Liberals open their wallets?

Given that all the revelations have been supplied by prominent Labor and union figures, your comment is idiotic beyond belief.

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 4:16 pm
Followers of Icke and Rense must be coutner trolled the way you’d put on a wizard hat and robe.

They seriously need to be medicated.

.

21 Nov 12 at 4:21 pm
So you think the acknowledged fraud really wants to come clean, to get everything off his hairy chest before he meets his maker?

Possibly he does and possibly he doesn’t?

Possibly Ashby has huge amounts of money to pay his legal bills and possibly he doesn’t.

Blewit seems to be something of a ‘misoginist’ so he might be chaffing at the bit.

Lots of revelations about Blewitt and Wilson, but they are already the key suspects, the question is whether their solicitor was just a solicitor.

So far I find Gillard to have been nothing more than a Gillon.

Scapula

21 Nov 12 at 4:22 pm
Wasn’t Lol Douche Lite saying Bolt would fail and that the 7 PM Project and Insiders would trounce him into oblivion?

Lol Douche…please comment.

.

21 Nov 12 at 4:22 pm
The Australian already has a photo of Blewitt posing in front of the house he bought with money from the slush fund so was this just a lucky shot?

Scapula

21 Nov 12 at 4:25 pm
You’re 100% certifiable.

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 4:26 pm
To his credit, the NRO’s Jim Geraghty points out there is quite a lot of validity to the assessment that the Republicans lost the election because of the perception that they are “mean” and “nasty.” Or, as he puts it, the view that:

the GOP increasingly represents an aging, white, bitter, and angry rump of the electorate, lashing out nastily at a world changing too fast for them.

He sites the 47% comment, the slut calling of Fluke, gay marriage critics who talk about marrying animals, etc.

It’s as if he was writing about Catallaxy threads.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 4:28 pm
You’re a 100% ridiculous. You never argue, just mindlessly interject and you spend all day and night trying to make yourself liked.

Scapula

21 Nov 12 at 4:28 pm
The bagman cometh … and the friends of the Liberals open their wallets?

In fact it was the AWU that gave them all $100k go away money.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 4:28 pm
Yes, they did indeed give them hush money so Blewitt might like to get their money off his conscience by paying it back.

Scapula

21 Nov 12 at 4:30 pm
It’s National Go Home on Time Day

Damn that’s where I work from!

Me too, but there’s work to be done tonight. So, no going home on time for me . . . .

. . . if you get what I mean.

Septimus

21 Nov 12 at 4:30 pm
He sites the 47% comment, the slut calling of Fluke, gay marriage critics who talk about marrying animals, etc.

Just because you lose an election doesn’t mean your arguments are wrong.

Infidel Tiger

21 Nov 12 at 4:37 pm
the question is whether their solicitor was just a solicitor.

Let’s see.

Secret file – check
AWU file disappears – check
Lies to WA Corporate Affairs Commission – check
Letter to WA Corporate Affairs Commission disappears – check
Present at auction of house – check
Fraudulent POA – yes (according to Blewitt)
$5000 from criminal put into bank account – check
Renovators (involved in scam) build fence gratis – check
Unsure money from scam used in renovations – check
Renovators believe AWU is responsible to pay bills – check

Nope. Not just a solicitor.

jupes

21 Nov 12 at 4:38 pm
According to the Australian, Blewitt had arrived in Australia this morning to talk to his lawyers, but by 3.00 pm of the same day the Australian had taken a carefully posed photograph of him in front of the house in question.

So what contact has the Australian had with Blewitt and why won’t they report that?

Scapula

21 Nov 12 at 4:39 pm
SfB I really think the US election was about entitlements. Not so much a specific thing but a general feel that Repubs would generally reduce them.

I can understand people voting to continue with the current system because they don’t know what would get cut. The trouble is it doesn’t look like the huge debt they have is having a material impact. By that I mean they hear about these huge, incomprehensible, numbers and note the sky hasn’t fallen and shrug it off.

The trouble is it can’t go on and the Repubs said so.

One day the sky WILL fall and it will come as a shock.

And the 2 most important programs in retirement were going to get cut so, again, I can appreciate voting to keep the status quo.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 4:40 pm
I guess I could go sit in the pool with a beer for 15 minutes at 5 o’clock. No harm in that. Then have dinner, and do the work later. I’ll check with the manager – she might like to join me in the pool.

Ged Kearney would be pleased . . . given what day it is.

Septimus

21 Nov 12 at 4:41 pm
Yep, so far Gillard was a Gillon.

Scapula

21 Nov 12 at 4:41 pm
Me too, but there’s work to be done tonight. So, no going home on time for me . . . .

Let me know when it’s Wear Pants At Work Day. I can participate in that one.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 4:42 pm
You never argue, just mindlessly interject and you spend all day and night trying to make yourself liked.

You’re projecting and you’ve been here all day non-stop. Go have a break and up your meds.

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 4:42 pm
No, they don’t. You would be hard pressed to find a pro-choice advocate who would not have a problem with it as being a poor reason to have an abortion.

A “poor reason” to have an abortion, hey Steve?

And far from being hard pressed to find somebody willing to support the ‘right’ of women to kill unborn girls, we find just such a person in the White House (along with his entire political party).

But what about Down syndrome babies, Steve?

Fair enough to kill them in utero?

Yes or no?

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 4:43 pm
I would also recommend this Paul Krugman post in which he agrees, partially, with a Ross Douthat column:

But I wanted to share some thoughts provoked by Ross Douthat’s column today, which makes a very good point — namely, that the winning Obama coalition did not for the most part consist of forward-looking, NPR-listening, culturally adventurous liberals; instead, the big numbers came from groups “unified by economic fear”. Indeed: single women, Hispanics, and, as always, African-Americans are for a stronger welfare state because people like them need the security such a welfare state can provide.

Where I would part ways with Ross is in his suggestions that (a) rising insecurity reflects “social disintegration” and that (b) turning to the welfare state is a dead end.

Because I know fear of catching liberal cooties will prevent many people here clicking on the link, I’ll post the key part of the column:

Every time you read someone extolling the dynamism of the modern economy, the virtues of risk-taking, declaring that everyone has to expect to have multiple jobs in his or her life and that you can never stop learning, etc,, etc., bear in mind that this is a portrait of an economy with no stability, no guarantees that hard work will provide a consistent living, and a constant possibility of being thrown aside simply because you happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

And nothing people can do in their personal lives or behavior can change this. Your church and your traditional marriage won’t guarantee the value of your 401(k), or make insurance affordable on the individual market.

So here’s the question: isn’t this exactly the kind of economy that should have a strong welfare state? Isn’t it much better to have guaranteed health care and a basic pension from Social Security rather than simply hanker for the corporate safety net that no longer exists? Might one not even argue that a bit of basic economic security would make our dynamic economy work better, by reducing the fear factor?

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 4:44 pm
Ten billion dollars of idel public infrastructure – the London Olympic legacy.

Useful information from the Australian, although hardly surprising.

Maybe the Murdoch Press is no longer enamoured with Cameron?

Scapula

21 Nov 12 at 4:45 pm
Let me know when it’s Wear Pants At Work Day. I can participate in that one.

That’s every day DaveF. Decorum in the workplace is essential.

Septimus

21 Nov 12 at 4:46 pm
CL, there is no benefit in debating the detail of my somewhat nuanced views on abortion.

Your view is 100% clear – as it follows the Church line in every single respect.

That said, and given that I have put a way in which Abbott could take a political stand on abortion (via Medicare funding) why don’t you answer my specific question about that?

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 4:52 pm
Decorum at my workplace is not peeing in the sink to save the walk to the dunny.

Let me know when that day crops up. I’ll be in that one as well

LOL

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 4:57 pm
I think Athenian-Christian values captures the reality much better than this Judeo-Christian values phraseology. The Old Testament only influenced traditional western culture through the prism of Christianity. What proportion of surviving BC Hebrew descendants followed their religion by way of being subsumed into Christianity?

If it turns out that that Christianised descendants are in the vast majority it would be fair to think of post-Talmudic Jewry as a schismatic insular cult, with its own Mein Kampf. There are two texts which separate us. The New Testament and the Talmud. One influenced traditional Athenian-Christian values. The other did not.

Also it’s generally considered big time crankery to take people from a pre-Classical era and point to modern folks and assume familial lineage. And we do this most egregiously when we credit Talmud followers with the production of the Old Testament. A phenomenal piece of work but one requiring pacification under a new dispensation.

The modern schismatic cult rejects pacification, and instead doubles down with its version of Mein Kampf.

Nick De Cusa

21 Nov 12 at 4:58 pm
After five years of absolutley disastrous policy, the Greens finally get their way and the tail continues to wag the dog.

THE Gillard government has admitted its Pacific Solution has been overwhelmed, declaring asylum-seekers arriving since the policy was announced will be allowed to live in the Australian community.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/immigration/asylum-seeker-flood-sinks-labors-offshore-processing-policy/story-fn9hm1gu-1226521224068

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 4:59 pm
But what about Down syndrome babies, Steve?

Fair enough to kill them in utero?

Yes or no?

CL, there is no benefit in debating the detail of my somewhat nuanced views on abortion.

We’ll take that as a yes.

So you’re on the same page as the Third Reich.

And you just posted an NRO piece on the pitfalls of nastiness.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 5:00 pm
Hmm The Democrats still have a website. No rational policies but there IS a website.

Bully for them.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 5:02 pm
Sinc

Clean up – Aisle 13

Rense overflow

Myrrdin Seren

21 Nov 12 at 5:05 pm
Check out this tall tyred Fiat military vehicle from WWII.

Very cool.

Via Blair.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 5:10 pm
We’ll take that as a yes.

So you’re on the same page as the Third Reich.

See what I mean? There is no point in my trying to argue my position re abortion, because your position is absolutely immovable and you think anything less than position is horrendous.

On the other hand, knowing your position fully, I see there can be legitimate questions asked as to why you support a fellow Catholic politician in his refusal to contemplate any review of Medicare funding of abortion if he were PM.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 5:14 pm
I simply asked you if it was OK to kill un unborn baby with Down syndrome.

Yes/no.

Very simple.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 5:16 pm
Myrrdin Seren – who specifically?

Sinclair Davidson

21 Nov 12 at 5:31 pm
Quick guys the Radio National Religion Report is on. He’s presenting a balanced appraisal of the Catholic Church.

A former Priest is sharing his unbiased opinion….

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 5:31 pm
It is unnecessary for me to set out a considered position re abortion in all of its potential circumstances in order for you to explain why you think Abbott gets the 100% CL “seal of approval” re abortion despite his refusal to canvas the issue of Federal funding for it.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 5:40 pm
The Dems policies are exactly. And I mean exactly the same as the Greens Party.

No wonder they’re struggling to have the 500 members required for party registration.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 5:41 pm
Crikey now admits: Bolt bigger than the ALP’s Insiders programme.

Bolt enjoys the moment.

Why didn’t La Rouche pop by with the news?

Token

21 Nov 12 at 5:43 pm
No I take that back.

Just checking the Greens now. The Dems are Green Lite. They aren’t interested in destroying the econamy as much as the Greens.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 5:48 pm
it would be fair to think of post-Talmudic Jewry as a schismatic insular cult, with its own Mein Kampf

Ummm – I may be being over-sensitive Doomlord, but this strikes me as a less-than-cheery mixed metaphor ?

Myrrdin Seren

21 Nov 12 at 5:58 pm
Too sensitive? You aren’t being sensitive enough. You aren’t being sensitive enough to Athenian-Christian norms of public discourse. My advice to you is the same as my advice to radical Muslims. In brief: If you don’t like it leave.

Nick De Cusa

21 Nov 12 at 6:17 pm
Too sensitive? You aren’t being sensitive enough. You aren’t being sensitive enough to Athenian-Christian norms of public discourse. My advice to you is the same as my advice to radical Muslims. In brief: If you don’t like it leave.

Nick De Cusa

21 Nov 12 at 6:17 pm
Too sensitive? You aren’t being sensitive enough. You aren’t being sensitive enough to Athenian-Christian norms of public discourse. My advice to you is the same as my advice to radical Muslims. In brief: If you don’t like it leave.

Nick De Cusa

21 Nov 12 at 6:17 pm
THE Gillard government has admitted its Pacific Solution has been overwhelmed, declaring asylum-seekers arriving since the policy was announced will be allowed to live in the Australian community.

Ah, our very own Cloward-Piven moment. That didn’t take long at all.

nilk

21 Nov 12 at 6:35 pm
Steve. Have you brought the washing in?

Tiny Dancer

21 Nov 12 at 6:54 pm
Just in case you were wondering who you’ll be travelling with in 10 years (even if you’re wearing a suit), get used to Jetstar and Tiger Airways. From this morning’s London Times:

Sir Stelios Haji-Ioannou and his family are set to bank £31 million in dividends after profits took off at easyJet, powered by a surge in bookings from holidaymakers seeking respite from the recession.

EasyJet has taken advantage of cutbacks by European flagship carriers such as Alitalia and Iberia to snatch passengers on holiday routes and on flights by business customers.

The airline’s pre-tax profit jumped by 27.9 per cent to £317 million for the year to September 30, with the average profit per seat soaring by 84p to £4.81. Sales rose 11.6 per cent to £3.8 billion.

Tom

21 Nov 12 at 7:16 pm
Dogshit, do as Tiny tells you.

Tom

21 Nov 12 at 7:18 pm
EasyJet seems to fly to non traditional airports. Eg Brussels is the equivalent of Avalon Vic for Melbourne. I don’t think that could be replicated here.

Not enough airports.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 7:22 pm
Why do you call him Dogshit? Inside joke? Or malice?

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 7:24 pm
The Dems would make a suitable party for Turnbull. No need to start his own.

2dogs

21 Nov 12 at 7:26 pm
The Dems want to punt the Federal mining tax. I was surprised with that one.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 7:32 pm
CL, there is no benefit in debating the detail of my somewhat nuanced views on abortion.

Your “nuanced” views (last time you made them known) were in complete defence of Emily’s List radical support of abortion on demand up until birth, no medical care for surviving babies and no ban on partial birth abortion. That is your “nuanced” views were brought out to fully defend every single radical view of the ultra radical Emilys List in Victoria.

Stop lying.

twostix

21 Nov 12 at 7:34 pm
DaveF, his full name is Dumb As Dogshit.

Tom

21 Nov 12 at 7:37 pm
Or malice?

Malice and immaturity.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 7:39 pm
OK got it Tom. Makes sense.

This is incredible: A Polish ~~bloke~~ Minister of Foreign Affairs is haranging the UK for making noises about reducing the EU budget.

That’s not amazing. This is:

UK focuses its efforts on the cohesion funds that go to the least developed regions. In many countries the EU cohesion policy contributed to more than half of all public investment. In Poland, 52% of all public investment comes from the EU budget. Most beneficiaries of the budget are in central Europe. This is our very own late “Marshall plan”, thanks to which we may at last catch up and right the wrong that we suffered at the 1945 Yalta conference.

50% of Polish public investment comes from the EU? Half the roads money? Public housing money? And the rest. F me that’s a lot.

The guy has to be exaggerating.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 7:44 pm
THE Gillard government has admitted its Pacific Solution has been overwhelmed, declaring asylum-seekers arriving since the policy was announced will be allowed to live in the Australian community.

This, of course, was Gillards original plan all along following in the footsteps of her heros Tony Blair and Gordon Brown and her life long stated belief in the same.

So another lie told by Julia Gillard in the 2010 campaign where she regularly promised to secure the borders and “turn back the boats”.

twostix

21 Nov 12 at 7:47 pm
Your “nuanced” views (last time you made them known) were in complete defence of Emily’s List radical support of abortion on demand up until birth,

No, they were not.

I suggested reasons as to why legislating certain things that appear pro-life may well lead to unintended outcomes and were not matters of black and white.

This is completely different from arguing that all circumstances of abortion are moral.

Look, frankly, like CL, you are too motivated by belligerence to be capable of acknowledging that a moral or ethical position that is not as black and white as yours may be reasonable.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 7:48 pm
OK got it Tom. Makes sense.

Makes sense in context DS is a silly name to use. In context it makes sense.

Personally I can’t follow the unbridled hate for the guy. But I’m a mellow kinda bloke.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 7:48 pm
“Dumb As Dogshit”

sdog and I find that insulting. Nothing so stupid has ever come from either of us.

2dogs

21 Nov 12 at 7:49 pm
I agree the boat people thing has really got out of hand. Even – far too slowly – bringing the Howard policies back hasn’t stopped the tide.

And now it’s Sri Lankans coming here on spec. What an absolute disaster. We’ll have Eastern Europeans next.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 7:54 pm
This “dumb ways to die ” vid was probably put on the Cat ages ago, but i like it so here it is again.

jumpnmcar

21 Nov 12 at 8:07 pm
He’s like one of those cat or dog turds you find in the garden with multiple strands of fungi growing out of it, like a long, straight hairdo. Creepy.

blogstrop

21 Nov 12 at 8:24 pm
So another lie told by Julia Gillard in the 2010 campaign where she regularly promised to secure the borders and “turn back the boats”.

Not only that, Bowen today blamed Abbott for Labor’s dismal policy failure!

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 8:24 pm
Your “nuanced” views (last time you made them known) were in complete defence of Emily’s List radical support of abortion on demand up until birth

I too have a nuanced view, I support the abortion of Emily’s Listers within the first seven decades after birth, you just have to recognise there are some people who are just too big a burden on Soceity. Besides what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Rob

21 Nov 12 at 8:27 pm
There has been no concerted attempt to stop the illegals. The piecemeal approach has been (a) loosen up the regulations, then (b) when that turned to disaster take a little bit of the old solution at a time, while saying over and over again “this won’t work”.
And it didn’t, because they didn’t do the hard thing and act like they meant it, didn’t do offshore early enough, didn’t do TPVs even then, and now send mixed messages about being on the mainland and on benefits indefinitely.
If this is their idea of clearing the decks for an early election it looks like another shoddy failure.

blogstrop

21 Nov 12 at 8:30 pm
They haven’t implemented the Pacific Solution and it is absurd that people refer to the mess Labor have created as such. It is blatant lying.

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 8:32 pm
Rob = peter Singer.

He of the post natal abortion on demand.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 8:33 pm
Wow, Blewitt was on 7;30 report.
Its heating up.

jumpnmcar

21 Nov 12 at 8:39 pm
Did you watch the ABC’s 7.30 interview Blewitt, Jump? Worth watching?

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 8:43 pm
Really 7.30 Report?

Wow

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 8:47 pm
Gab

Worth watching?

Just another stepping stone on the path.
If you don’t want to throw things at the TV then don’t watch Graham Thom on boat people straight after.
That man need a ( now illegal in NRL ) shoulder charge.

jumpnmcar

21 Nov 12 at 8:58 pm
Did Leigh Sales-Combet try to cut him off at the knees?

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 9:06 pm
Nothing with Leigh Sales presiding will ever be worth watching.

blogstrop

21 Nov 12 at 9:07 pm
Oops that’s the newsreader. My mistake

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 9:07 pm
Just found out that kangaroos don’t fart!!
Get that trivia inta ya IT.

jumpnmcar

21 Nov 12 at 9:26 pm
Do bees break wind?

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 9:31 pm
Do bees break wind?

Dunno, but I rescue them from my pool whenever I can. Poor litle fellas get their wings wet and thay are goners if I don’t happen to see them.

Septimus

21 Nov 12 at 9:38 pm
‘thay’ should be ‘they’

Septimus

21 Nov 12 at 9:45 pm
Just watch out you don scoop out dead funnel webs from your pool Spetimus. They may look dead but they go in suspended animation when they fall in pools and can wake up hours later none the worse for wear.
Why are you busy saving bees anyway? I am sure there are worthier causes for your charity?

Do people who save animals and insects donate to human charities? This is a rhetorical question only. I dont know.

Alice

21 Nov 12 at 9:46 pm
A bee-itarian. Me too. (Well, I get neighbor to save any stray bees in my house but that still counts).

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 9:46 pm
For those who missed the 730 Report.

Sinclair Davidson

21 Nov 12 at 9:50 pm
Even Oakes on Ch. Nein was covering the AWU case tonight. Too early to call it, but some chickens might be starting to come home to roost. This is one of the few times we’ve even heard about it on the evening news.

tbh

21 Nov 12 at 10:02 pm
ta for the link Sinc.

ABC are circling the wagons. I figure they reckon it will blow up so want to have plausible credibility when it does. 2 years of silence notwithstanding.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 10:09 pm
Wet weather brings the funnel webs out and we have had a couple in the pool, one female and one big male, but they were both very dead.

Bees are special, harmless and needed for pollenation, but other little critters get rescued too(ladybirds, ants). Dagonflies and wasps seem to be able to alight on the water, have a drink, and then fly away unharmed.

Septimus

21 Nov 12 at 10:10 pm
Look, frankly, like CL, you are too motivated by belligerence to be capable of acknowledging that a moral or ethical position that is not as black and white as yours may be reasonable.

My position is nuanced. I stand with the majority. You are the nutjob.

Your position is “black and white” – you defend Emilys List MP’s 100% in their absolute radical and fringe nutjob resistance to even the slightest walkback from their trophy: the most “liberal” abortion regime in the world which they gleefully “won” – Victoria’s.

You defend partial birth abortions despite many ALP MP’s even in Victoria not doing so, you refuse to help a baby born alive after a failed abortion preferring it to be left alone to die or be killed on the table (yes, yes what business does the parliament have interfering with the “medical” decision of whether to throw a mangled writhing 28 week baby in a bucket or to cut it’s spine with a pair of pliers) and you support babies one day before delivery being aborted at the whim of the mother – all positions held by Emilys List, all positions you have defended while defending Emilys List.

Yet you call yourself “reasonable”, what a sicko.

twostix

21 Nov 12 at 10:10 pm
Loved the focus on Blewitt puffing away. They’ll use that a lot in the future.

Smokers are scum @ABC #haters

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 10:12 pm
There seemed a genuineness to R Blewitt and he was quite articulate. Suprising, i thought he might be a little doddery or something, but he was quite sharp.

candy

21 Nov 12 at 10:13 pm
I don’t trust this Blewitt character as far as I can throw him.

He’s undoubtedly been promised the Craig Thompson, Peter Slipper and Tony Hodges treatment if he comes back and helps the ALP out.

twostix

21 Nov 12 at 10:16 pm
No way twostix, this dude didn’t make much from the fraud. And no way the AWU are paying him off more, too much out there now. They would have paid him 3 years ago if it was viable.

I think he’s dubious but not in a Labor buy off way.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 10:20 pm
twostix, I have not set out a full position on abortion and what should or should not be illegal.

You aren’t bright enough to understand that, obviously.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 10:21 pm
The Blewitt thing, yeah.

No.

He’s a “bagman,” FFS. He’s also an obviously ageing ex-pat Ronald Biggs figure looking to come home. So he hitches his wagon to the suddenly topical AWU scandal and looks to game an immunity payoff from the newly motivated police and DPP. Unless he has documentation, his claims – if there are any – are close to worthless. He needs to present verifiable facts.

C.L.

21 Nov 12 at 10:24 pm
twostix, I have not set out a full position on abortion and what should or should not be illegal.

You aren’t bright enough to understand that, obviously.

Yes yes, your “nuanced” “conservative catholic” position just happens to involve defending (using their arguments) the three ideological pillars of the worlds most radical abortion nuts every time they are mentioned.

twostix

21 Nov 12 at 10:27 pm
I saw two figures that looked like ventriloquist dolls in that 7.30 report: Blewitt, mouthing the pleading words of the hovering (and unhealthily obsessed) Michael Smith for people who knew anything more to come forward to the police. [Not exactly sounding confident there that what he knows himself will advance anything much.]

The other was Julie Bishop, with Tony Abbott standing close enough to be operating the mouth moving mechanism while he nodded in agreement behind her.

Honestly, do people really think this is a good look, putting up Julie Bishop to mouth an attack that he’s not game to do personally because he doesn’t want to get a tongue lashing from Gillard again?

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 10:35 pm
Pretty Awesome video of rockets being shot down by the IDF: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cb9_1353434883

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/335103.php

twostix

21 Nov 12 at 10:36 pm
CL, he can some home anytime. and has done. He just now decided to spill on the deal.

A good way to clear any potential legals that make any long term life on the ~~pension~~ medicare somewhat fraught.

I imagine he has the old age pension.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 10:37 pm
Sinc, any chance of giving the abortion warriors their own thread? Time and time again, discussion about recent events and topics of interest is drowned in dozens of posts between people who will never agree with each other, no matter what.

Open Threads have been taken over by this issue. It is worth debating, but keeps overwhelming discussion of everything else.

johanna

21 Nov 12 at 10:45 pm
Seconded, Johanna. A permanent thread would be ideal and they can carry on there. Pretty please, Sinclair. Cherry on top even.

Gab

21 Nov 12 at 10:49 pm
Yes i agree johanna.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 10:49 pm
Just a drive by again Gab?

/snarc lol

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 10:54 pm
It isn’t a good look on the ABC or MFM SfB. But it’s all we’ll get.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 10:56 pm
It’s a great look Stevieliar QC. What would you prefer – the complete failure to answer a serious question by the lying slapper?

Go and scare your children

Tiny Dancer

21 Nov 12 at 11:00 pm
That’s funny, I thought I already made my position clear that there is no point in trying to argue my position on abortion with CL, or twostix.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 11:01 pm
It makes Abbott look a combination of cowardly, cowered, and concerned that he cannot mount a line of questioning against the PM personally without stuffing it up again by some unnecessary sexist remark.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 11:06 pm
Septimus & tbh

Thin Lizzie exhibit C : Rosalie (or the cowgirl song). Brilliant energy.

Splatacrobat

21 Nov 12 at 11:06 pm
Agreed SfB

So why do you keep trying? Trollism, or masochism?

Cato the Elder

21 Nov 12 at 11:09 pm
While the Lying Slapper (TM) looks dignified and honest, I suppose?

Dream on. She’s toast; and rightly so.

Cato the Elder

21 Nov 12 at 11:12 pm
Splat, great call. Every rock fan should own “Live and Dangerous”, it’s one of the great live albums of all time. The version of Rosalie you linked to is on it. Cracking tune.

tbh

21 Nov 12 at 11:15 pm
Honestly, do people really think this is a good look, putting up Julie Bishop to mouth an attack that he’s not game to do personally because he doesn’t want to get a tongue lashing from Gillard again?

Yes, it’s a great idea, Stevie. Bishop looked very good, very feminine (lovely capped sleeve blouse), great hair style for her age, Tony at her side looking supportive, and she is a woman giving it back to another woman who has been calling sexism to the skies and back in a most unwarranted fashion.

Gee, I’ve been busy for yeet another week, no time for the Cat, and here is Stevie, as ever, supporting the unsupportable.

Everyone knows Abbott is unable to respond because of the gender attack; he is too much of an old-style gentleman to engage with such shrill nonsense. Let Gillard face Bishop, a much better legal mind and legal performer than Gillard ever was, or is. Answer the questions, liar, to another woman, who may start unpicking Gillard’s very careful answers to the questions so far. Note how Gillard answers in a way that is highly ambiguous, allowing hidden lies. Bring it on.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

21 Nov 12 at 11:20 pm
Stevieliar QC, you bored it up Abbott about his response to the punching allegation. Her response is a thousand times worse.

As to ” he can’t mount a line of questioning against the PM” he doesn’t have to. He has someone far more capable to do it.

I feel sorry for your kids.

Tiny Dancer

21 Nov 12 at 11:20 pm
And I near that Shorten is bagging the lying slapper about the slush fund.

Suck it up Stevie.

Tiny Dancer

21 Nov 12 at 11:26 pm
According to the Australian, Blewitt had arrived in Australia this morning to talk to his lawyers, but by 3.00 pm of the same day the Australian had taken a carefully posed photograph of him in front of the house in question.

So what contact has the Australian had with Blewitt and why won’t they report that?

That photo first appeared in August when Blewitt was last in Melbourne. The Australian‘s reporters have been in contact with him on and off since then. You’ve got to pay attention, scapula

Cold-Hands

21 Nov 12 at 11:28 pm
Blewitt said on radio that he couldn’t remember anything very clearly but then someone showed him a lot of documents and now his memory is clear.

The reliability of his testimony is zero.

Scapula

21 Nov 12 at 11:29 pm
So thanks for informing me that the Australian, which is a partisan political animal in Australian politics, has been in contact with Blewitt for a long time.

The point remains that he’s being posed in front of the building that he bought with fraudulently obtained funds by the Australian for the benefit of the Australian’s partisan political agenda.

How can the principal of a fraud claim immunity from prosecution? The guy’s been watching too much American tv.

Scapula

21 Nov 12 at 11:34 pm
I feel sorry for your kids.

Tiny, he still refuses to tell his kids their father spends most of every day as a gigolo for the most unpopular Australian government in history at a website that lampoons him as a simple-minded idiot loser unemployed tax thief.

Tom

21 Nov 12 at 11:35 pm
Goodness! I’m in total agreement with CL at 10.24pm! I think Blewitt will turn out as reliable, and useful to the Libs, as Gretch.

SteveC

21 Nov 12 at 11:36 pm
That’s funny, I thought I already made my position clear that there is no point in trying to argue my position on abortion with CL, or twostix.

If you’re truly a “moderate” on the issue we’d agree.

The problem is you’re not, and you lie about it then you lie even more and say you’ve never outlined a position on the matter when you spent a day and night breathlessly doing just that just a few weeks ago.

The lies Stevie, it’s the lies that’ll get you.

twostix

21 Nov 12 at 11:37 pm
So thanks for informing me that the Australian, which is a partisan political animal in Australian politics, has been in contact with Blewitt for a long time.

The point remains that he’s being posed in front of the building that he bought with fraudulently obtained funds by the Australian for the benefit of the Australian’s partisan political agenda.

How can the principal of a fraud claim immunity from prosecution? The guy’s been watching too much American tv.

A newspaper that has been investigating this for months have been in contact with one of the key people involved…for months.

By god it’s an outrage!

twostix

21 Nov 12 at 11:43 pm
People seem to operate here under some belief that Bishop doesn’t come across to the public as a robot whose puffed up performances are programmed into her by some geeks standing just off camera, in case she blows a fuse and goes into some loop.

Sure, she gets re-elected. But on the national stage, I just can’t imagine that she is widely considered as a very credible operator.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 11:44 pm
Can we have an abortion thread?

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 11:47 pm
The problem is you’re not, and you lie about it then you lie even more

Sorry, you’re just one of the nuts here who thinks they can tell that I am not telling the truth.

steve from brisbane

21 Nov 12 at 11:48 pm
Yes, well, he’s the principal of a fraud and not an independent witness.

And what is the precise nature of his relationship with the Australian?

The Murdoch Press colluded in secret with the Thatcher Government to buy the Times despite assuring the public there was no contact.

Its former senior executives are now awaiting trial because the organisation perpetrated a multitude of criminal acts to write its stories.

The Australian is a partisan political newspaper that pushes stories that advance the political and commercial interests of its patron.

Scapula

21 Nov 12 at 11:49 pm
SfB Julie Bishop is the Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party.

Julia Gillard was the Deputy Leader of the Labor Party.

Sure, she gets re-elected. But on the national stage, I just can’t imagine that she is widely considered as a very credible operator.

DaveF

21 Nov 12 at 11:51 pm
Crapula, you obviously require a bigger and bigger drag on whatever you’re smoking to get the same high you once did.

If you think the Oz is a “partisan political animal” when it is one of a minority of Australian news media outlets that isn’t in the tank for the government – an abomination of journalism’s job – it becomes clear why you regards the Greens and Barack Obama as right wing. In other words, you’re further to the left than Che Guevara, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot and Hugo Chavez. Don’t tell me: you actually have a bomb-proof office in the Tora Bora cave complex.

Tom

21 Nov 12 at 11:51 pm
Splat, great call. Every rock fan should own “Live and Dangerous”

I wore that album out. Had a mate who had an eight track player (remember them?) with a cassette of Live and Dangerous and it too got played to death.

Splatacrobat

21 Nov 12 at 11:58 pm
Without making a single accusation, the Australian has managed to drag this story out forever.

I think that the Australian is a partisan political animal.

Murdoch is on record as stating that the press is owned by the Jews so if you prefer his views that’s your call.

He thinks that because the press is owned by the Jews they should get behind Israel, so what confidence would one have in him as a publisher?

Scapula

21 Nov 12 at 11:59 pm
Is it you Stevieliar QC or your retarded mate that is funnier. What is it that makes her so lacking in credit? No criminals put money in her account t and she refused to say it was legitimate? No trail of married men and wrecked families?

Do you tell your kids about that? You know. The ones you scare.

Tiny Dancer

22 Nov 12 at 12:00 am
It’s great. Not only News Ltd and Fairfax reporting on slush fund girl but also the ABC.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 12:05 am
Scapula Murdoch said Jewish owners of papers were critital of the war against Gaza. Thats all.

No Idea if its true even.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 12:07 am
The ABC was always reporting on the scandal, the accusation is that they were not doing any investigative reporting.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 12:07 am
Tiny (malevolent) Dancer: she’s the Andrew Hansen of the political world – always looks to be acting/faking it.

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 12:08 am
gillard trying to hike up electricity prices.

HE Gillard government is pushing the states to offer households the option of paying higher electricity prices during hot spells and other peak periods by mid-2014 as part of a reform package aimed at giving consumers new ways to reduce their energy bills.

Yep, a real vote winner.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 12:12 am
C’mon Scrapula.

The ABC never reported dot.

I hate to say it but Johnathan Holmes may have made a difference.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 12:13 am
a reform package

How many reforms now?

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 12:15 am
Murdoch did not say what you have him say.

He said the Jews own the press, not Americans, British, Australians etc,. and were not supporting Israel.

So its incumbent on newspapers owned by people of a particular religion not to publish news reports, but to be partisan advocates for the state of Israel.

His actual tweet was that: ‘Why is Jewish-owned press so consistently anti-Israel in every crisis?’

Given that he owns most of the press in Britain, Australia and some in the US who exactly does he mean?

Moreover he advocates not news neutrality, but news partisanship.

As I said, the Australian is a partisan political animal.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 12:16 am
Faking it? What like real Julia, fake Julia, angry Julia, eye batting Julia, stealing Julia, u-turn Julia? Put the cones away Strvieliar QC

Tiny Dancer

22 Nov 12 at 12:17 am
Without making a single accusation, the Australian has managed to drag this story out forever.

Crapula, that would be 100% correct if the Australian population were all like you. But they’re not. Not even the Greens are like you. You’re actually in the crackpot trace minority — what we call “the troublesome three per cent” — who want Western civilisation smashed because it is unfair to nomadic Middle East goatherds. You’re so far from the middle class you make Hugo Chavez look like a loved crooner doing 1970s covers in working men’s clubs in Liverpool.

Tom

22 Nov 12 at 12:18 am
Nonsense. Homes only said the ABC did not publish the non-story about Gries until Gillard was asked about it. He then criticised them mildly for judging the issue not wothy of investigative journalism.

He probably knew about the bagman coming when the made this criticsm, but there is still no investigative reporting so who Blewitt tells his story to may be interesting but it looks like the Australian.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 12:20 am
His actual tweet was that: ‘Why is Jewish-owned press so consistently anti-Israel in every crisis?’

Perhaps he was commenting on media that Jewish people owned and their editorial view anti Israel?

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 12:21 am
If the Australian had an accusation to make they would have made it. They keep saying that they are making none. Goin fishin.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 12:24 am
You don’t have a clue do you DaveF?

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 12:25 am
Sorry, you’re just one of the nuts here who thinks they can tell that I am not telling the truth.

Steve you liar, by god.

In the Emilys List thread started by Steve Kates four weeks ago you openly and clearly articulated both your fake and real “positions” on abortion.

Now here you say you never have done so, ever.

That is your modus operandi. In once place you “argue” X then in another hoping that everybody has forgotten or nobody will bother saying anything you say Y then later Z, then perhaps X again if it suits you.

The worst thing is, I don’t think you’re a troll, I think it’s really actually who you are – somebody who does that in their daily life.

twostix

22 Nov 12 at 12:25 am
Without making a single accusation, the Australian has managed to drag this story out forever.

The Australian is a newspaper, it doesn’t have to “make accusations”, it just has to ask questions. In fact it doesn’t have to do anything, it can just print the words “Kevin Rudd said that Gillard’s a childess, atheist, communist” over and over again for pages and pages and sell that if it so desires.

twostix

22 Nov 12 at 12:30 am
That’s been explained to Scrappy Doo Doo before, twostix but it hasn’t sunk in yet. Given he’s been commenting here virtually 48 hours straight I’d say sleep deprivation is the problem. Yes, I know, I’m being kind.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 12:34 am
I love the way that internet leftists take time off from their total support of Hamas and violent denouncements of Jew*ahem*”Zionists” to denounce Murdoch, a staunch supporter of Israel.

twostix

22 Nov 12 at 12:38 am
twostix: I simply repeat – you seem to think you understand arguments being put when you don’t. You then wind yourself yourself up in CL-ian condemnation for positions never articulated by me.

You’re either not very bright, dishonest, or a combination of both.

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 12:50 am
The Australian loses money. It is a partisan political organ posing as a newspaper.

And Hitler was the person who made the trope that the jews own the media famous so why exactly Murdoch thought he was clever to repeat it is a mystery.

He’s obviously losing it on twitter like most teenagers.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 12:51 am
By the way, I won’t link to it, but if you want to hear Michael Smith laying it on really thick about how noble a thing it is that he and Blewitt are doing (gee, maybe my view that he’s a self aggrandizing jerk out for revenge needs revision…just kidding) you can listen to him talking to B at his website. (They are also sharing a room. Single beds, we are assured.)

It’s funny that Smith does not seem bright enough to realise that such intense shepherding of Blewitt may well be detracting from the credibility of what B may be coming up with.

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 12:58 am
That’s been explained to Scrappy Doo Doo before, twostix but it hasn’t sunk in yet. Given he’s been commenting here virtually 48 hours straight I’d say sleep deprivation is the problem. Yes, I know, I’m being kind.

You’re repeating my jokes about you, which were much better, back at me.

I suppose no one is watching and you can get away with it, but doesn’t it embarrass you just the same?

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 1:04 am
Bunking with Blewitt and so noble that I hear violins playing:

Finally I know that Ralph Blewitt has not received a cent for his attendance in Melbourne. Ralph and I are sharing a room with two single beds in a club in Melbourne. This is about something much more valuable than money could ever buy.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 1:06 am
The Australian loses money. It is a partisan political organ posing as a newspaper.

I know you’ve probably fallen asleep to grab a few hours before you start posting again at 0600 (I’m somewhere where it’s 3.30pm). Just to give you the view from the real world: Dogshit is an extremist and, if he’s an extremist, you are a wailing banshee fruitcake. Furthermore, the only reason you are visiting is to troll and start fights. Therefore, you can’t believe you’re still here and haven’t been banned yet; and you don’t care whether you are or not. You think quaint concepts like democracy are bourgeouis and terribly inefficient. Let’s see if we can get you through to the end of the month. So endearing.

Tom

22 Nov 12 at 1:49 am
Not a single argument, Tommy Boy, so try again.

And I have a higher opinion of this blog than you do.

If people don’t want my company however then why would that bother me.

Your petty vindictiveness oozes out of every pore when you say things like that, my endeared one, if you can’t beat ‘em ban ‘em is your credo, obviously.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 2:04 am
Septimus, I have been having a Henry Mancini retrospective. Nobody remembers anything about the Peter Gunn TV series, but the theme is immortal.

We mostly only heard the sanitised versions, but people like Mancini and Les Brown and his Band of Renown wrote and played awesome jazz.

johanna

22 Nov 12 at 2:13 am
Abu, I think you’ve drawn a rather long bow with that attempted parallel or equivalency. Christians are very law abiding people and do not tend to involve themselves in the sort of violent disregard for the law or the open disdain for western society that is endemic to the islamic mob.

Actually, having lived in Muslim countries, most Muslims are also “law abiding and do not tend to involve themselves in the sort of violent disregard for the law”. Exceptions like terrorist organisations like Hamas are on par with similar Christian groups who engage in terrorism, such as PIRA and the Northern Ireland loyalist paramilitaries, groups that have engaged in indiscriminate killing of civilians, torture and execution of non-combatants and informers.

There are many who have an open disdain for Western society, but they are matched by those in the West in places like, for example, Catallaxy who have a rather tiresome and ill-informed open disdain for Islamic culture despite that Islam has a wonderful heritage of architecture, art, philosophy, science and medicine. I’m not talking about valid criticism of culture etc, but don’t kid yourself that the hate some Muslims might have for the West isn’t reciprocated – so let’s not be hypocritical.

My experience, having lived in the East is quite the opposite. So forgive me if I roll my eyes when I see some of the hateful rubbish that gets posted generalising about Muslims on the basis of the Palestinian issue.

Christianity has long been reconciled to the separation of church and state

Right.

while islam demands that it runs both.

It might do so, but plenty of Muslims are happy to live under secular governance. Still you can always find some frothy person for a sound bite, or point to examples of badness. Same in the West, of course. We have the occasional obdurate and ignorant Christian recalcitrants. Indeed we had one anti-Semite Stormfront troll choking up the bandwidth here just in the past week.

CL may have said that the sanctity of the confessional would remain a bedrock policy, but nowhere will you find this used as justification to hide from or pervert the course of justice.

Yes, I agree. I followed up with a post that indicated I wasn’t really responding to CL’s position, but to a tangential issue I wanted to state. I suppose my mind had been focused recently on the people who seek to create dual legal systems in Australia (ie., Sharia). No law in Australia should trump the common law. That way lies social disintegration.

In many ways Islam is more like scientology than like christianity. It appears to be more of a politcal control system than a religion of personal betterment.

Well actually they all share that. It’s just that Christianity has been displaced from its central role over the centuries. Christianity was just as much a system of political control as any other religion. I agree that Islam (in the form of the Muslim Brotherhood) is still alive to that objective. Egypt, etc. But we probably are less sensitive to Christianity’s influence and interference because of the fact that it has influenced the development of Western law and thinking. It’s less likely to cause us any dissonance because most of us have grown up with it over generations.

Christians may go to war and kill for a good cause, hoping to be forgiven. Islamics appear to kill because they believe they act for their god, which I see as a form of blasphemy, or a gross misunderstanding of god.

Jihadists do that, but please – plenty of Muslims go to war to defend themselves or to conquer territory. As do non-Muslims. Besides, plenty of Christian military action was undertaken in the name of god, centuries ago.

This is not a god that the “proper” religions would see as helping humans become better people, or at least hoping for it. It is a primitive concept.

The same might be said of the PIRA and the Ulster paramilitaries. What kind of god gives its imprimatur to that? But I don’t judge the mass of Muslims who are good people who just love their families and want to get on in the world on the basis of Hamas and similar groups – just as I don’t judge my Catholic family on the basis of the Troubles.

Spend a few decades interacting and living with non-English speaking Muslims, as I have, and you might realise that people are people and shouldn’t be judged by small extremist samples. I love my Palestinian friends dearly and while none of them would hurt a fly, I certainly can empathise with them when they speak angrily about the imagery of violence coming out of Gaza. Just as I can empathise with the frustration the Israelis feel at the way the Western media and politics ignore the aggression coming from Hamas.

Sorry it took so long to respond. The keypad on my iPhone is a disincentive to posting for a bloke like me with enormous masculine fingers. I just can’t keep up with the fine ladies here and the men with dainty digits.

Abu Chowdah

22 Nov 12 at 3:53 am
The Congo situation, the Israel situation, and the ongoing climate change fraud, all demonstrate that the UN is a wste of time and money.

Blogstrop

22 Nov 12 at 6:18 am
Ralph Blewitt is an ex RAR man by the looks of it. Anyone know which battalion he served in? I saw his red RAR shirt, so maybe an ex 4RAR last tour of Vietnam? If so Gary Mckay or Jethro Hannah would know him.

The motto of the Royal Australian Regiment is ‘Duty First’. Let’s hope Blewitt does his duty.

John Comnenus

22 Nov 12 at 6:29 am
So far all the talk of the government “breaking the smugglers’ business model” is looking more like the govt playing the Black Knight while the smugglers continue to lop off an arm or a leg.
There’s no point introducing little bleeding chunks of a previously successful policy, particularly if it always looks like your heart’s not in the fight and you don’t mean it anyway. It should never have been dismantled, the media should never have supported the fruitloops who demanded it, and when the error was evident it should have been reintroduced tout suite, in toto. But no.
We have witnessed several iterations of patch up, each looking like it will fail, while the media failed to point out the glaring inconsistencies in the governments various on the run positions. They always prefered to attack the opposition.

Blogstrop

22 Nov 12 at 6:42 am
“Just found out that kangaroos don’t fart!!”

Not true. Did you get that off QI?

They just don’t emit as much methane as cattle when they do.

2dogs

22 Nov 12 at 6:50 am
Look, frankly, like CL, you are too motivated by belligerence to be capable of acknowledging that a moral or ethical position that is not as black and white as yours may be reasonable.

This is precisely what Singer, Giubilini and Minerva argue too in support of infanticide, so long as the reasons that are used for abortion in utero are operative after-birth.

dover_beach

22 Nov 12 at 7:15 am
So what, db. You’re arguing like a cat lover who says “Hitler liked dogs, so there!”

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 7:40 am
No, sfb, I’m arguing there is very little that distinguishes you from those named above despite your protestations.

dover_beach

22 Nov 12 at 7:54 am
I also think in the past that you have allowed that you could live with law that allows for abortion in some circumstances which the Church would say are wrong. I also noted in a previous thread that twostix was more comfortable with early termination than late, which again shows “nuance”on the issue.

All that has been happening is that I have raised some matters of nuance that in the matter of even later term abortion that were being overlooked in the rush to condemn it in each and every circumstance.

People don’t like this, and so pretend instead that I am arguing for open slather.

But the reality is, abortion is a complicated issue, not always clear ethically (as the recent Irish death indicates) especially when dealing with laws that cover society generally, not just a body of believers.

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 7:57 am
Now the ALPBC’s levee holding back the truth has finally broken this grubberment has now entered “The Twilight Zone”.

Splatacrobat

22 Nov 12 at 7:57 am
You wouldn’t know, db, because I haven’t sought to set out a detailed position on it.

A contention that you can’t apply reason to this issue without being able to end up believing that infanticide is fair enough is silly, and disproved by anyone who says they agree generally that life begins at conception, but they would allow for legal abortion in circumstance X.

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 8:03 am
John Comnenus

Ralph E Blewitt (5714455)1 Platoon A Coy 2nd Battalion RAR. Vietnam
7-6-1967..1-7-1968.

Carpe Jugulum

22 Nov 12 at 8:04 am
This government is coming to conclusion with similiar Sturm and Drang as the last days of Whitlam.

It is all falling apart…There will never be a surplus…NBN cost blowout…Cutting back drugs for vulnerable cancer patients…AWU…HSU…and the boats, the endess boats…and it is with our money…

THOUSANDS of asylum-seekers slated for transfer to Nauru and Papua New Guinea will be released into the community with no work rights and minimal support after the Gillard government effectively conceded its revived Pacific Solution had been overwhelmed by a massive increase in boat arrivals.

Barely three months after announcing a tough suite of measures aimed at halting the flow of boats, Immigration Minister Chris Bowen yesterday acknowledged that most of the almost 8000 people to arrive since the government’s expert panel on asylum-seekers handed down its report will stay in Australia, despite the Gillard government’s threat to deport them.

Pathetic.

Yes, the flat track bullies can appear tough when they have a compliant media, but the organised crime gangs it nurtured and have fed with customers can break it at will.

Token

22 Nov 12 at 8:10 am
Sandy Logan, the high priest of faux outrage, and chief bureaucrat in charge of nurturing the business model of the organised criminals Gillard, the ALP & the Greens made multi-millionares has been caught out trying to spin away the truth:

Taylor had contacted the department at 7.49pm AEDT on Tuesday after she received the photograph, taken from inside a newly erected marquee at Christmas Island, which the department had claimed was erected for “contingency” purposes. Just 50 minutes later, Mr Logan was on Twitter suggesting the asylum-seekers — who The Australian understands had been using the tent for about a week — were merely taking an unauthorised nap.

The photograph shows several asylum-seekers asleep in the tent on laundered mattresses with their personal possessions and towels hanging up around them.

Mr Logan had not viewed the photograph when he issued the tweet, but said yesterday: “People have been seen napping in the tents since they were put up.

“I am not aware that there are sheets on the mattresses. What I have been told and accept is that the mattresses are piled in the marquee at the moment.”

Mr Logan denied he had broken the normal rules of confidentiality that govern communications between journalists and media advisers, saying he did not believe Taylor, a highly regarded journalist and multiple winner of WA’s Arthur Lovekin and Daily News Centenary Prizes, was pursuing the story exclusively.

Let’s hope Mr Logan continues with his plan to brazen his way through this…

Token

22 Nov 12 at 8:16 am
You wouldn’t know, db, because I haven’t sought to set out a detailed position on it.

Yet you blather on and on and on and on about the subject, writing mountains of “nuanced” crap but saying very little.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 8:17 am
Gab, I already knew that you’re not big on nuance either.

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 8:24 am
A big, big win for those people who faithfully believe in the truth* that AGW is real and that Australia must do its share and reduce its Carbon Dioxide emissions.

FEDERAL laws should be changed to permit more open debate on the potential of nuclear energy for future electricity supplies, a NSW parliamentary committee has recommended.

…”In particular, the intermittent nature of wind and solar generation means that major advances in energy storage technology are required before these forms of energy can be deployed for baseload generation.”

Other barriers to renewable energy include community concerns about wind farms, and the cost of connecting renewable energy resources to the grid, especially if they are located a long distance from the existing grid.

Hey SteveC, SoB, and all you warmies, quick, jump on board. This statement tangibly addresses the sizable gaps in the plan to replace coal electricity with renewables.

We all know this is great news as to deny this would invalidate your whole thesis on the urgency of the AGW problem!!!!

Token

22 Nov 12 at 8:25 am
Have you cleaned up after breakfast Stevieliar QC?

Tiny Dancer

22 Nov 12 at 8:28 am
Bloody hell – mafiosovich sacks another coach – one who guided chelski to both the FA Cup and the Champions League (over my beloved Bayern Munich) barely six months ago.

Rabz

22 Nov 12 at 8:35 am
I can feel another that the war on mysoginy will hit us soon to disstract from the open wound the ALP inflicted upon the country:

The cost of Labor dismantling the Howard Government’s border laws, under which boat arrivals were slashed to an average of just three a year:

- up to $5 billion

- up to 1000 boat people drowned.

- 30,000 boat people arrivals

- 400 boat people stuck on Nauru and Manus, with nearly 2000 to be sent there.

- thousands of boat people now to be left in Australia on minimal welfare payments and banned from working.

Now the same party which wanted to send this poor people to a hobbsean hell in Malaysia find a new way to be cruel to ~~the middle class from the sub-continent using organissed criminals to cheap our immigration system~~ poor victims of a fantasy cruise which went to the wrong destination…

Refugee lawyer Marion Le said the bridging visa policy was “worse than anything” she had seen.

“I don’t know what the minister or the government think they are unleashing on Australia, giving them no work rights,” Ms Le said.

“I believe that these so-called bridging visas are just temporary protection visas by another name, or if anything they are worse because there is no end time.”

Yes, Labor and the Greens will now give these people less rights than they had under the Coalition laws this cruel bastards had to pull apart.

Token

22 Nov 12 at 8:36 am
Yet you blather on and on and on and on about the subject, writing mountains of ~~“nuanced”~~ obscurantist crap but saying very little, which is used as a template for lying, denial and position-switching like a delinquent child shoplifter .

Tom

22 Nov 12 at 8:36 am
Link for article quoted above and here:

David Manne, the lawyer behind the successful High Court challenge to the Malaysia Solution…

“It appears to consign people to even greater uncertainty and harm than under the TPVs, because it is based on a benchmark that doesn’t exist,” Mr Manne said of the no-advantage test.

Token

22 Nov 12 at 8:38 am
Here’s a heartwarming li’l tale from sunny Namibia…

Rabz

22 Nov 12 at 8:40 am
NAMIBIAN media report a strange muppet-like beast has been shot dead after a group stumbled across several of the creatures in dense jungle.

Crapula, your parents have told police they’re very upset you haven’t called home.

Tom

22 Nov 12 at 8:50 am
ISRAEL and Hamas have put down their weapons in the Gaza Strip, in a ceasefire deal brokered by the United States and Egypt.

The announcement came after US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton flew to Cairo to save a deal that had been drafted by Egypt.

The truce accord calls on Israel to “stop all hostilities… in the land, sea and air including incursions and targeting of individuals”.

It also urges the Palestinian factions to end “rocket attacks and all attacks along the border.”

Twelve rockets fired from the Gaza Strip hit Israel in the first hours after the truce, a police spokesman said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/gaza/israel-and-hamas-agree-to-gaza-ceasefire/story-fnge5zl9-1226521656324

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 8:51 am
“put asylum-seekers into the community on bridging visas with … no right to work”

This aspect is worse than Howard, and may put us in breach of the Refugee convention.

2dogs

22 Nov 12 at 8:58 am
It only takes one complaint from one person and the Press Council is onto it.

The opening paragraph stated: ‘Law firm Slater & Gordon has contradicted Julia Gillard’s claim that she was not in charge of legal work for the purchase in 1993 of a Fitzroy property later found to have been bought with stolen union money.’

Further paragraphs stated: ‘Slater & Gordon managing director Andrew Grech has confirmed Ms Gillard ”acted directly‘’ in the conveyancing work on the property purchase’. “The only documentary evidence Slater & Gordon was in possession of was that Ms Gillard acted directly for Mr Blewitt in relation to a conveyancing matter, a union dispute and a defamation matter,’’ he said.’ …

The quote from Mr Grech was taken from a complaint laid with the Australian Press Council. The Age accepts that the statement should have been kept confidential, under Press Council rules, and has apologised for that breach. It is repeating the statement only because of the demands made to apologise for the story.

Slater & Gordon now says that its statement did not mean that Ms Gillard had ‘’direct responsibility for the conduct of the Blewitt conveyancing matter’’.

The Age has asked Slater & Gordon to clarify what ‘’acted directly for Mr Blewitt in relation to a conveyancing matter’’ means. The law firm has not answered this question but The Age accepts that its statement may not contradict the Prime Minister’s denial that she was in charge of the conveyancing file.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/awu_scandal_nobbling_baker/

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 9:14 am
sfb, there is nothing particularly difficult about abortion. If you begin with the premise that the fetus is a human being, however rudimentary, from conception, the ‘problems’ typically associated with abortion evaporate. Of course, if you don’t begin with that premise, but want to argue that the fetus or the newborn infant become a human being at some particular time before or after birth, the argument might indeed become ‘nuanced’ but the nuance will depend upon what the fetus or newborn infant at that particular time is argued to be and not on the remote situations that might be imagined.

N.B. My previous statement was and remains that I would accept, as a part of any negotiation limiting abortion, a proposal that, for instance, limited it’s availability to instances of rape or instances where the pregnancy directly medically threatened the life of the mother, given our current laws.

dover_beach

22 Nov 12 at 9:27 am
This is the Fractional reserve banking End-Game

http://www.news.com.au/realestate/foreign-property-buyers-offered-residency/story-fncq3era-1226521680304

A generation of Spainards who have there land and their citizenship sold out from under them to Chinese and Russian Bond holders.

Max

22 Nov 12 at 9:36 am
I am always surprised by the hostility shown Abbott by reporters, in their tone and their “questions” which are more debate than inquiry.

From Tim Blair:

The Age reports:

Legal experts have challenged Opposition Leader Tony Abbott’s assertion it is ‘’illegal’’ for asylum seekers to arrive by boat in Australia.

Mr Abbott toughened his rhetoric against asylum seekers on Wednesday, saying more than 2000 are ‘’coming illegally to this country’’ every month without papers …

Quizzed by reporters in Perth on the illegality claims, Mr Abbott stood firm.

Key phrase: “Quizzed by reporters.” But they weren’t so quizzy back in 2009, when Kevin Rudd was a rhetoric toughener:

“First of all the Australian government makes no apologies whatsoever for deploying the most hardline measures necessary to deal with problems of illegal immigration into Australia,” Mr Rudd told ABC Radio today.

Nor was there much quizziness in 2010:

Labor has belatedly tacked towards the Coalition – lurched to the right, in the terms Kevin Rudd used in his late-night pre-resignation press conference – by seeking an offshore processing centre. Gillard also described the asylum-seekers as illegal immigrants, denounced the people-smugglers as evil and made plain her desire to stop the boats.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 9:39 am
N.B. My previous statement was and remains that I would accept, as a part of any negotiation limiting abortion, a proposal that, for instance, limited it’s availability to instances of rape or instances where the pregnancy directly medically threatened the life of the mother, given our current laws.

Which you know goes directly against Church teaching. Obviously you have reasoned your way into what you find acceptable for secular laws.

Other people do this too, and end up with different conclusions as to what is appropriate for secular laws.

For you to carry on that all of those who have reasoned their way to a different conclusion are as bad as Singer is just being a ninny.

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 9:40 am
“put asylum-seekers into the community on bridging visas with … no right to work”

This aspect is worse than Howard, and may put us in breach of the Refugee convention.

In effect they Party for the Working Class (Labor) and the Tragedies Happen Party (Greens) have created an underclass with no rights to work.

What will be their options to pay back the loans they took out to crime syndicates to get here? Crime

Either they become a class of California-style illegal workers with no rights or they join crime gangs.

Nice to see the government providing as much opportunity for organised criminals within Australia as they have to the people smuggling organisations in SE Asia.

Token

22 Nov 12 at 10:11 am
Chance of rain on Saturday Stevieliar QC. Get ready to stock up on bread.

Tiny Dancer

22 Nov 12 at 10:27 am
This aspect is worse than Howard, and may put us in breach of the Refugee convention.

It’s way beyond time that we opted out of all that UN silliness.

blogstrop

22 Nov 12 at 10:36 am
It’s way beyond time that we opted out of ~~all that UN silliness~~ the UN Dictators Club.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 10:39 am
They simply can no longer cope with the level of border protection failure that they have created. Specifically on the announcements that the government has made today – on the Pontville detention centre the government needs to explain were they aware that they needed to reopen this facility when they went to the Parliament and asked for an additional $1.67 billion this year to fund the increasing blowouts in their asylum budget. If they were aware of the need to reopen the Pontville detention centre, why was that not made known to the Parliament when they sought the additional appropriation? And if it was not a part of that additional appropriation, will once again Mr Bowen be coming back to the Parliament and yet again ask for even more money from this Parliament to fund his failures?

– Scott Morrison, 21 Nov 2012.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 10:42 am
This aspect is worse than Howard, and may put us in breach of the Refugee convention.

The no right to work decision is a particularly stupid decision. In practice many will end up with jobs anyway just to survive, but will be cash jobs in the black economy. So the government also missed out on tax and any reduction in benefits paid which would normally occur.

Chris

22 Nov 12 at 10:44 am
Splatacrobat,tbh

Thin Lizzie exhibit C : Rosalie (or the cowgirl song). Brilliant energy.

Every rock fan should own “Live and Dangerous”, it’s one of the great live albums of all time

Looks like a visit to JB Hi-Fi soon for me.

johanna

a Henry Mancini retrospective … the Peter Gunn … TV series theme is immortal

I haven’t heard the Peter Gunn theme for ages. Mancini wrote many excellent film scores but sad to say I only have his ‘Romantic Movie Themes’ CD, which only includes a medley of his own work – ‘Days of Wine and Roses’, ‘Moon River’, ‘Charade’ and ‘Cameo for the Flute’ – the other 19 tracks are other composers’ movie themes.

Septimus

22 Nov 12 at 10:55 am
In effect they Party for the Working Class (Labor) and the Tragedies Happen Party (Greens) have created an underclass with no rights to work.

They believe it is better off and mor dignified to collect a cheque at centrelink every Wednesday arvo.

Fucking disgraceful idiots should have some honour, call and election and resign.

There was more honour on HMS Bounty.

.

22 Nov 12 at 10:57 am
Five minutes until the start in Adelaide. We are batting. Hope Quiney gets a maiden Test ton.

With du Plessis playing, that means three people in the SA XI went to Affies – that is a fair effort from one school, albeit a sport-mad one.

James in Melbourne

22 Nov 12 at 11:05 am
The McTernan sliming has commenced, dutifully transmitted by the ALPBC.

More at the professor…

Lazlo

22 Nov 12 at 11:31 am
In practice many will end up with jobs anyway just to survive, but will be cash jobs in the black economy. So the government also missed out on tax and any reduction in benefits paid which would normally occur.

Some would think that sensible, rational even, however the reality is that after five years, only 9% of Afghans are employed with 94% still on welfare; Iranians fare a little better 12% with jobs. African refugees, the majority of these do not arrive here illegally without papers on boats but are selected from refugee camps, average around 40% employed.

Table 11 shows that Africans are most likely to be employed, particularly Sierra Leonens and
other Central and West Africans. Afghanis and Iraqis are least likely to be employed and also part
of households which are most likely to receive Centrelink payments.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 11:37 am
Bunking with Blewitt and so noble that I hear violins playing

Given that Bob Kernahan has been bashed and still continues to receive death threats of the “bullets in the mail” sort, keeping a weather eye on Blewitt is merely prudent.

Cold-Hands

22 Nov 12 at 11:39 am
In practice many will end up with jobs anyway just to survive, but will be cash jobs in the black economy. So the government also missed out on tax and any reduction in benefits paid which would normally occur.

…which will hit working class people who find they can not compete with the price of the illegal workers.

We know the luvvies don’t care as the social tensions will initially occur in the greater suburber they alternate between ignoring and sneering at.

This stupidily naive approach forgets that there are people in this country who will exploit any desperate person. Pimps, sweat shops and crime gangs like this:

BIKIE gangs are recruiting former soldiers from both sides of the Afghan war, targeting both Diggers for their knowledge of explosives and Afghan paramilitaries who are then used to carry out attacks.

How can our society create the support network for immigrants when people flood in the vast and unregulated numbers we are seeing?

Criminologists say that, like previous ethnic crime spikes, this one reflects a systemic lack of social, economic and logistical support for vulnerable new arrivals.

“If we’re going to take migrants from diverse backgrounds we have a moral obligation to support them as much as possible,” says Paul Wilson, head of criminology at Bond University.

Token

22 Nov 12 at 11:55 am
Such a shame they don’t have a transnational leadership figure to protect them from an ecclesiastical governance model indistinguishable from China’s:

David Cameron: Church of England should ‘get on with it’ on female bishops.

David Cameron: the Church needs a ‘sharp prod’ over women bishops.

C.L.

22 Nov 12 at 11:59 am
Hey, if you didn’t notice, Nicola Roxon has banned criticism of the Labor Party in all Australian workplaces.

C.L.

22 Nov 12 at 12:04 pm
Well ABC TV seems to have discovered the Gillard story. We’ll see if the radio picks it up.

Unfortunately, and I hate to say this, the cricket is on so nobody will be listening.

Oh, and Ponting should be dropped.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 12:15 pm
Rick Ponting is still playing cricket?

C.L.

22 Nov 12 at 12:38 pm
Oh, and Ponting should be dropped.

ponting should have been dumped in ignominy after he lost the Ashes the second time.

We have a history in our national cricket team of not playing ex captains.

The over rated tasmanian goose should never have been given an opportunity to lose the ashes a third time.

Bloody disgraceful.

Rabz

22 Nov 12 at 12:39 pm
Ralph E Blewitt (5714455)1 Platoon A Coy 2nd Battalion RAR. Vietnam
7-6-1967..1-7-1968.

That put Blewitt smack bang in the middle of the Tet offensive. Not sure where the Spudpeeler was during his shortened stint in 1970 but can only imagine it was somewhere safe according to the Wikipedia time line of Australian dates of interest.

Splatacrobat

22 Nov 12 at 12:47 pm
Nope, looks like The World Today had to bump the story to include a discussion about a new video game.

News priorities I suppose, it’s an old story that has been cleared up.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 12:51 pm
Rick Ponting is still playing cricket?

Basically only fielding nowadays.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 12:54 pm
Thanks for the heads-up about the cricket. TV in the office is now on and we’re all the happier for it.

nilk

22 Nov 12 at 12:54 pm
Peace deal signed for Tasmania’s forests

The negotiations between forestry and environmental groups have been ongoing for more than two years.

The deal reportedly contains an immediate reservation of 395,200 hectares, with that amount boosted to more than 504,000 hectares by March 2105

.
There are several particularly egregious problems with this so-called ‘peace deal.’
THe first is that the policy has been crafted by two special interest groups with opposing interests; the government then will step in and rubber-stamp whatever they come up with. That’s not democracy – or rather, it’s a corrupted form of democracy, where interest groups vie for power.

The second problem is that one of the parties in the ‘deal’ brought nothing to the table except for blackmail against the other party: namely the ability and willingness to use force to stop them from operating.

The third is that it’s reverse progress. Once upon a time, the human story was about harnessing the forces of nature to further humanity. Now it’s about advancing the cause of wilderness and restraining humanity.

Wilderness, pretty much by definition, is any part of the world that doesn’t have humans in it. “saving” the wilderness confuses aesthetics (ie wilderness is pretty, which it often is) with virtue (that wilderness is good).

dd

22 Nov 12 at 12:54 pm
dd – on that note, do you know under what processes National Parks can be delisted?

We’re approaching 50% lockup now, and need to drop that back to around 30%.

DriftForge

22 Nov 12 at 12:57 pm
The glorified local council that runs Tasmania gave up governing a fair while ago.

H B Bear

22 Nov 12 at 12:59 pm
We’re approaching 50% lockup now, and need to drop that back to around 30%.

Maybe 1%.

The majority of this country is exceptionally ugly and and can only be improved by turning into agricultural land or housing estate. There is not much in nature that a nice golf course, pub and casino development doesn’t make better.

Infidel Tiger

22 Nov 12 at 1:04 pm
The new traditional owners of Yulara Resort floated the idea of a golf course a while ago. Laughter ensued.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 1:14 pm
There is not much in nature that a nice golf course, pub and casino development doesn’t make better.

Liberty quote there

squawkbox

22 Nov 12 at 1:16 pm
John Faine is such a lefty coward.

Melbourne ABC host Jon Faine was vehement today in defence of the Prime Minister, yet has not based his faith on facts.

…Michael Smith rang Faine for a right of reply, but was not given one.

I’m sure Media Watch will be straight onto this…in 2016.

Token

22 Nov 12 at 1:16 pm
It’s a travesty that Tasmania (population: 512,100) is a state – represented by 17 Federal politicians. New York State (population: 19,465,197) has 31. Something has to be done about this sinkhole.

C.L.

22 Nov 12 at 1:17 pm
The majority of this country is exceptionally ugly and and can only be improved by turning into agricultural land or housing estate. There is not much in nature that a nice golf course, pub and casino development doesn’t make better.

Absolutely true. Most of the country is a hideous bog.

I also repeat my call for the introduction of elephants.

C.L.

22 Nov 12 at 1:20 pm
There is still rent control in NSW. Who knew.

Mr Shearer, a former electrical engineer who emigrated to Australia from Austria to work on the Snowy Mountains Hydro-Electric Scheme, said his current rent was $758 a month.

Roughly $180 a week for a crummy bedsit doesn’t sound too low to me, even in trendy Newtown. I think the SMH struggled to find a face to put to the story.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 1:21 pm
Michael Smith rang Faine for a right of reply, but was not given one.

LALALALALALALALALA.

C.L.

22 Nov 12 at 1:23 pm
The Qld AG gave the bagman, Jack Herbert, an indemnity and he brought down a police commissioner. There’s always hope where there’s life.

Tiny Dancer

22 Nov 12 at 1:34 pm
This is where we are heading at speed:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9694788/Amnesty-for-120000-migrants.html

Viva

22 Nov 12 at 1:37 pm
One-eyed Scottish idiot and tartan wog Doug Cameron calls for illegals to be given jobs, housing, money – all from the government, of course.

C.L.

22 Nov 12 at 1:43 pm
Michael Smith rang Faine for a right of reply, but was not given one.

Who does Smith think he is, the Leader of the Opposition?

m0nty

22 Nov 12 at 1:52 pm
bagman from urban dictionary:

Someone who transports goods or money between to people in a criminal activity.

For example, a thug that comes around to collect extortion money and then brings it to a more senior gang member.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 2:05 pm
d-b wrote earlier today:

sfb, there is nothing particularly difficult about abortion.

Well, nothing, I suppose, apart from Catholics not even being sure what their own teaching means in practice. In an article arising from the recent Irish death, we get this:

A recent paper written by Melanie Poole, the parliamentary advocacy coordinator with Care Australia, points that although life saving abortions are legal in Australia Catholic hospitals give equal weighting to both the lives of the mother and the foetus.

‘‘This would seem to suggest that, at least where the foetus is non viable, the mother’s life will be put first,’’ Poole says. ‘‘However, further qualifications state that interventions can only occur where ‘any harm to the unborn child is neither the intended goal nor a means to the treatment goal’.”

Women’s health advocates say the situation that arose in Ireland could easily happen to a woman in an Australian Catholic run hospital. But the chief executive officer of Catholic Health Australia, Martin Laverty, disagrees saying that in the same situation the mother’s health would be the priority for medical staff.

‘‘The health of the mother must be prioritised if her life is in jeopardy,’’ he says. ‘‘The clinician would prioritise the saving of the women’s life even if it results in the unintended consequence of the death of the baby.’’

I pointed out last week that a journalist in the Catholic Herald also thought the Irish situation came within the situation that that an abortion could have been done, even though the fetus still had a heartbeat.

CL begged to differ.

No, nothing very complicated about abortion at all, hey d-b?

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 2:22 pm
Gee SfB today was mercifully free of the abortion stuff..

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 2:33 pm
OK, Dave. I will bring you breaking crime news instead:

A 44-year-old Athens man is facing criminal charges after he created a scene with a Taser on Monday at a bar downtown.

Meredith Grayson Watson, of Hiawassee Avenue, got into an argument with his wife at the Roadhouse on North Lumpkin Street, then went outside and held a Taser as if it were his penis and discharged it at passersby, Athens-Clarke police said.

That’s an odd response to an argument with your wife, I have to say.

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 2:41 pm
Hush, DaveF. SFB spent all day trying to find that link in his determination to score points against DB/CL. You see, it’s not really about abortion…

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 2:43 pm
Who does Smith think he is, the Leader of the Opposition?

Who does Faine think he is, a “journalist” bound by the ABC charter to be fair and unbiased (cough, cough)?

Cold-Hands

22 Nov 12 at 2:43 pm
Steve,

My understanding of the Irish woman’s tragedy was that she was so desperately ill with infection and on dialysis, that to complete the termination (as she was miscarrying) was to risk the life of the mother further.
Facilitating the abortion could just have easily have killed the already terribly sick mother.So it was a tough decision.

so perhaps one of those difficult medical matters, and really nothing to do with Catholicism at all.

candy

22 Nov 12 at 2:46 pm
spent all day trying to find that link

Actually, I was reading the SMH site, and there it was.

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 2:46 pm
candy, where did you get those details from? I haven’t read any article that contains those details.

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 2:48 pm
Who does Faine think he is, a “journalist” bound by the ABC charter to be fair and unbiased (cough, cough)?

I remember Faine used to be a good interviewer when on song, and his time as a lawyer meant I heard him tear through interviewees who really didn’t have their act together.

He obviously feels passionately on this matter, so you would think Faine would be excited by the chance to work his magic on Smith.

A REAL journalists would have jumped at the opportunity.

The fact he ducked the opportunity proves he is a flat track bully (i.e. coward), only willing to mix it up when he’s ultra-prepared.

What did Lindsay Tanner call the type? Entertainers.

Token

22 Nov 12 at 2:56 pm
held a Taser as if it were his penis and discharged it at passersby

I dunno Sfb, isn’t it called Schoolies Week here?

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 2:59 pm
A 44 year old schoolie?

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 3:01 pm
Maybe 1%.
The majority of this country is exceptionally ugly and and can only be improved by turning into agricultural land or housing estate. There is not much in nature that a nice golf course, pub and casino development doesn’t make better.

Unfortunately we are stuck with 30% because most of that is taken up by a ‘World Heritage Area’, which now have instead of a useful dam.

My understanding is that, save the Federal Government giving the UN the middle finger, there is no way out of that one short of seceding.

Mind you, both of those outcomes would be good things, for all concerned.

DriftForge

22 Nov 12 at 3:05 pm
“candy, where did you get those details from? I haven’t read any article that contains those details.”

From various news sites a few days ago when the story was breaking. She was already extremely ill with severe infection and bleeding when she got to hospital, so facilitating the abortion could have tilted the balance over.

Just sayin, it’s perhaps not as black and white an issue as it seems.

candy

22 Nov 12 at 3:09 pm
busted my writing arm coming off the bike. $%#$%@*#!!

typing is sloooow, so there won’t be many comments unless its a ‘hot button’ issue, and even then they’ll be short & sweet.

papachango

22 Nov 12 at 3:10 pm
‘Catholic’ Steve returns to his perennial favourite: promoting the killing of unborn children. Including those with Down syndrome.

According to the US CDC, more than 500 women have been killed by abortion ‘doctors’ since the mid 1970s.

So the Irish hospital’s correct decision can be misrepresented by the pro-death lobby but, statistically – speaking only statistically – one woman’s death is not a big deal. Recollect that the four deaths resulting from the Gillard-approved pink batts catastrophe were dismissed by Labor-bots as – *yawn* – ‘tragic’ but statistically irrelevant. Gillard is also responsible for the deaths of 1000 people at sea.

C.L.

22 Nov 12 at 3:11 pm
I think you’re definitely mistaken about the “dialysis” point.

I also have not read anywhere where it has been said that they could not do the termination because of the mother’s infection.

We will see when the investigation is finished.

My point remains: there was a sick mother and a living fetus. Catholic commentary says that treatment that would save the mother and only incidentally kill the baby would be moral. The problem here is that it seems the treatment that could have benefited her was a direct termination, and the doctors are said to have cited Catholic teaching as the basis for why they could not do that under their laws.

There is clearly some confusion going on relating to Catholic teaching here.

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 3:15 pm
CL does a handwave and ignores my point that there are Catholics saying that this would not have happened in Australia in Catholic hospitals.

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 3:18 pm
Good time to take some time off, Papa. The Dogshit infestation is worse than usual and the Obama-is-rightwing faction from the Al Qaeda cave complex at Tora Bora appears to have dug in.

Tom

22 Nov 12 at 3:21 pm
‘‘The clinician would prioritise the saving of the women’s life even if it results in the unintended consequence of the death of the baby.’’

Confirming that the woman’s request for an abortion would be refused in Australian Catholic hospitals. Thanks, Steve. What a zinger.

Steve also quotes Melanie Poole.

Hey, who is Melanie Poole?

You may have seen at the far left ABC Drum:

Safe abortion: a ‘pro-life’ cause worth fighting for.

Killing babies with “safe” abortions is “pro-life,” you see.

C.L.

22 Nov 12 at 3:25 pm
And CL is back onto it as well, sigh.

In my own home, where I’ve been able to create an environment that works for me, I’m hardly disabled at all. I still have an impairment, and there are obviously some very restrictive things about that, but the impact of disability is less. In environments that are less disabling, I’m free to refer to myself in other ways that make me feel proud. In fact, “crip” is my preferred identifying term.

Okey dokey Stella Young, I’ll make a point of using that term going forward. But I suspect it might be an insiders word.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 3:26 pm
busted my writing arm coming off the bike

Bikes are inherently dangerous. They should be banned.

I’d have my own front teeth if they had been.

Infidel Tiger

22 Nov 12 at 3:27 pm
The problem here is that it seems the treatment that could have benefited her was a direct termination

http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/legal-abortion-not-the-answer-in-ireland-deaths

We will see when the investigation is finished.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/probe-into-savita-shambles-goes-from-bad-to-worse-3301343.html

Ivan Denisovich

22 Nov 12 at 3:28 pm
I’d have my own front teeth if they had been.

You do realised you’ve just admitted have the creditials to be classed as a Collingwood supporter.

Borrow any cars of late IT?

Token

22 Nov 12 at 3:34 pm
At least you got the term right, Token. We often take the cars back, you know.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 3:38 pm
FOREIGN Minister Bob Carr has distanced himself from the comments of a Labor backbencher who accused the Greens of backing “women-hating, gay-hanging” Islamic fundamentalists.

Michael Danby, who chairs a parliamentary foreign affairs committee, lashed out at the Greens after they put a motion to the Senate on Wednesday blaming Israel for the latest conflict in the Middle East.

“The Greens’ failure to even mention the millions of Israelis living under constant rocket fire, forced into air raid shelters, exposes them as an extreme left political party,” the outspoken supporter of Israel told The Australian newspaper.

“It is ugly that these Australian far left extremists are effectively in bed with the women-hating, gay-hanging Palestinian Islamic fundamentalists of Hamas.“

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/carr-wont-endorse-mps-anti-green-comment/story-e6frfku9-1226521951945#ixzz2CvHVqCXq

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 3:39 pm
I’m expecting lots and lots of outrage over Danby’s statement from the ABC and Fairfax.

LOL

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 3:42 pm
Tim Blair on Al Gore’s “dirty weather” (it’s no longer climate). Plus:

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change isn’t going to Doha for the UN’s Climate Change Crapfest, and neither is Greg Combet. But it looks as though Al Gore is on his way, and his celebrated effect is already kicking in:

The world’s climate has cooled during 2011 and 2012, temperature data from Britain’s Met Office reveals — just before this year’s talks on cutting global greenhouse gas emissions.

Inconvenient, you might say.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 3:45 pm
Bikes are inherently dangerous. They should be banned.

nanny statist…

papachango

22 Nov 12 at 4:01 pm
You do realised you’ve just admitted have the creditials to be classed as a Collingwood supporter.

True but I had mine replaced at great expense. Not made from wood either.

Infidel Tiger

22 Nov 12 at 4:03 pm
Even after reading the Lifesitenews article that Ivan provided, it is sounding very suspiciously like the Irish hospital delayed treatment via termination to the detriment of the mother.

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 4:06 pm
I had mine replaced at great expense. Not made from wood either.

Seen the gap where Gab’s toofs used to be? Very attractive indeed. Anyway, IT’s a Tiger and once an emo, always an emo.

Tom

22 Nov 12 at 4:12 pm
Test

Abu Chowdah

22 Nov 12 at 4:14 pm
Clearly the restriction on free speech by the fascist Roxon just doesn’t go far enough. I demand it include discrimination by virtue of football team.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 4:18 pm
FOREIGN Minister Bob Carr has distanced himself…

Bob Carr – The Joe Biden of Australian politics.

jupes

22 Nov 12 at 4:28 pm
WTF:

Australia’s government is lodging more warnings than any other government in the world against top level domain name applications, reinforcing its reputation as an over-regulator of the internet.

Out of 243 “early warnings” against domain applications, the Australian government lodged 129 — more than half.

The period of evaluation for applications for top-level domains began after Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) launched the new generic category in June.

Most of the objections are against generic terms, such as .food, .tennis or .books, where giving one company exclusive use of the domain would “exclude potential competitors” and allow that company to dominate the market.

It is also concerned that an application for .ooo is “visually similar” to Australia’s triple-zero and could confuse people in an emergency.

However, the Department of Broadband Communications and the Digital Economy (DBCDE) also objected to domains ending in fail, gripe, sucks and wtf (short for what the f–k?) because they are “overtly negative or critical connotation’. The government is concerned these domains could be used to damage individuals or organisations, for example http://www.labor.sucks or http://www.liberal.sucks, and force organisations into buying the website to avoid embarrassment.

Tom

22 Nov 12 at 4:30 pm
Danby is a fully-paid up hard-line Zionist so anyone left of Bibi gets bashed.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 4:42 pm
It should go without saying that the Gillard Government is not left of Bibi.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 4:44 pm
Gazza Explained.

Rudiau

22 Nov 12 at 5:19 pm
Gaza Explained.

Rudiau

22 Nov 12 at 5:24 pm
Bob Carr – The Joe Biden of Australian politics.

A bit harsh on Biden, not even he is that silly.

Carpe Jugulum

22 Nov 12 at 5:41 pm
Danby is a fully-paid up hard-line Zionist so anyone left of Bibi gets bashed.

It should go without saying that the Gillard Government is not left of Bibi.

Hyperbowl – you know how to do it.

Carpe Jugulum

22 Nov 12 at 5:43 pm
I had mine replaced at great expense. Not made from wood either.

Da Hairy Ape lost his two front choppers in some rough Rugby scrum years ago. His two synthetic replacement ones sit neatly and unobtrusively on an expensive sprung and removable bed of pure gold, much admired by his dentist. No-one ever sees da Ape without his front teeth though, even in bed. He is very particular about that. Takes him ages to clean and nurture them in various secret rituals.

Sometimes however he puts little children into amazingment by dropping down these front teeth a bit, jutting them forward his mouth and playing toothily like Bugs Bunny at them. He is also very prone to confusingment about animals and thinks that elephants roar. Brings the house down. They roar back their highly informed corrections at him: that’s a LION, silly.

Guess I’m just an uninformed Hairy Ape, he admits to them, with a conspiratorial wink at me.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

22 Nov 12 at 6:00 pm
1735099, if your here,
What would you estimate the percentages of primary and secondary school teachers in relation to political party alignment? Lab/Lib/Nat/Green/Other

jumpnmcar

22 Nov 12 at 6:05 pm
1735099, if your here,

Sounds a tad spiritualistic…

Did you know Sir Arthur Conan Doyle opened, or lay the cornerstone, for the Spiritualist Church in Spring Hill in Brisbane?

Just sharing information…

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 6:18 pm
Come to think of it, the paranormal is a topic that never gets a run in open threads here. I always like to hear first hand ghost or spooky stories. Never really had one myself…

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 6:20 pm
Australia’s government is lodging more warnings than any other government in the world against top level domain name applications…

Not surprised… I remember the constant struggle against auDA during .au deregulation. Even had to waste time on the “voluntary” Industry Code of Conduct.

From the article (emphasis mine):

Australia has a history of strict internet naming regulations, according Ms Carlsson. It is one of the few countries that will only allow someone to purchase a .com.au domain if the name relates to their trading name, for example

It’s true that it has a history of being overly strict, but Carlsson from MelbIT should know better… it took years of effort, but eventually we managed to get it to a point where all you need to be eligible for a com.au is an ABN – you can do that as an individual (no trading name needed) – and declare the domain “relates to a service that you provide“. This service can (now) include parking the domain on a site that shows ads relating to the domain name (there was a showdown over that one)

In the early days, you couldn’t even sell com.au domain names – now you can. I like to think I played a part in bringing about those changes… perhaps they’d have happened anyway, but it didn’t feel like it at the time.

Fleeced

22 Nov 12 at 6:23 pm
Fleeced, I like the scam where domain name racketeers automatically register a domain name if someone searches to see whether it’s available. Recently happened to one I wanted.

Tom

22 Nov 12 at 6:31 pm
Care to guess SfB?
if your here,
What would you estimate the percentages of primary and secondary school teachers in relation to political party alignment? Lab/Lib/Nat/Green/Other

jumpnmcar

22 Nov 12 at 6:36 pm
thinks that elephants roar

A funny bird is the elephant.
It whistles like a cow,
It builds its nest in a rhubarb tree,
And flits from bough to bough.

Septimus

22 Nov 12 at 6:39 pm
Jump, I take it you have figures at hand?

I am sure a heavy weighting to Labor and Green. At a guess, 55% Labor, 15% Green, and 25% Lib and 5% National?

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 6:51 pm
No no . . . please . . . you’re too kind

Septimus

22 Nov 12 at 6:55 pm
” I always like to hear first hand ghost or spooky stories. Never really had one myself…”

I was looking at a house with a view to renting ages ago, went in for a look, it was empty, and I felt the most terrible fear. Just felt dreadful anxiety and sweaty and had to leave.
It turns out there were some very nasty things going on in that house at some stage before that.

I’ve had other peculiar stuff happen too.

candy

22 Nov 12 at 6:57 pm
Sinc, I wrote a long post last night that appears to be in purgatory. I resubmitted and got the “you already said that” message.

Weird.

Abu Chowdah

22 Nov 12 at 6:59 pm
Fleeced, I like the scam where domain name racketeers automatically register a domain name if someone searches to see whether it’s available. Recently happened to one I wanted.

As a domain registrar, I hear this a lot… it’s bollocks.

There are many reasons why it could appear this way… For instance, many registrars use alternative lookup methods for domain availability. The reason for this is that querying the registry takes precious seconds per domain queried. If instead of doing a registry lookup you perform a search of a localised db of the registry’s nameserver info (a zone dump), you can look up hundreds of similar domains.

Or it could have just been a cached lookup result for a popular name (especially for a generic).

Fleeced

22 Nov 12 at 7:00 pm
Septimus, that is a classic little verse. Correctly used, it will also bring the house down. Thanks.

Stevie:

Come to think of it, the paranormal is a topic that never gets a run in open threads here. I always like to hear first hand ghost or spooky stories. Never really had one myself…

What a shame you never met my sainted mother. She danced in and out of the paranormal quite happily. If somewhat disturbingly.

Rather turned me off it all. Very normal Lizzie here. Ghosts live in the mind, not the ether, and should be visited only in poems and dreams or Edgar Allan Poe stories.

Time to cook. I know you don’t think much of my cooking (in your five minutes as a failed potentate on the Cat), but I am improving. I have had some very great successes of late.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

22 Nov 12 at 7:00 pm
What would you estimate the percentages of primary and secondary school teachers in relation to political party alignment? Lab/Lib/Nat/Green/Other

55% Green
30% ALP
15% Sex Party
10% Illegal immigrants who cant vote.

Doesn’t add up because I was schooled by them.

Infidel Tiger

22 Nov 12 at 7:00 pm
Jump, I take it you have figures at hand?

No, just wanted an estimate from numbers as he says he’s in the game.
Don’t ever know if a survey has been done.
So you think 70/30 split, ok, thanks.

jumpnmcar

22 Nov 12 at 7:01 pm
Michael Clarke is having some sort of year. This must’ve been what having Bradman around was like.

Infidel Tiger

22 Nov 12 at 7:03 pm
and IT has %110/%0
Closer to my guess.

jumpnmcar

22 Nov 12 at 7:04 pm
‘Twill be a late night’s work tonight. ‘UTOPIA Chilled Classics’ double CD album playing to maintain the mood. Adagio for Strings (from Platoon) has just finished and now onto Silencium.

Septimus

22 Nov 12 at 7:04 pm
Michael Clarke is having some sort of year. This must’ve been what having Bradman around was like.

He has made me eat shit with my predictions of him.
And Punter has too

jumpnmcar

22 Nov 12 at 7:07 pm
They call this dude the human thumb. I recokon they’re spot on.

JC

22 Nov 12 at 7:07 pm
candy: I have a brother who had a similar experience many years ago in some quiet museum in The Rocks. He said it was odd because because he was with his daughter, only aged 5 or 6, and before he said anything, she said “Daddy, I don’t like it here, let’s get out.” He assumes she felt the same feeling of dread. (Of course, if she was holding his hand, she might have been sensing his fear, somehow.)

Anyway, he is not prone to this sort of thing, so he considers it a spooky event to this day.

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 7:15 pm
“Da Hairy Ape lost his two front choppers in some rough Rugby scrum years ago”

A man of standing and honour I see.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

22 Nov 12 at 7:17 pm
hey Septimus
Sorry for the snarky comment i made the other day re ” friday and the work is done “.
I’m doing 6 long ones on ,1 short one off till xmas and was grumpnmcar at that moment.
My jobs very physical and I’m knackered( my last break of more that 2 days was 11 months ago), still not a reasonable excuse.
So, i apologise ..

jumpnmcar

22 Nov 12 at 7:18 pm
What a shame you never met my sainted mother. She danced in and out of the paranormal quite happily. If somewhat disturbingly.

I have many times visited a lovely elderly lady relative in Wombourne, near Wolverhampton in England, who is said to have the touch. Her mother is said to have had it too. Unfortunately, I have seen nothing to confirm it on my visits.

Septimus

22 Nov 12 at 7:20 pm
The Slapper seems to be in some sort of deep fecal matter:

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/bank-letter-links-pm-to-union-mortgage-20121122-29ssd.html

Infidel Tiger

22 Nov 12 at 7:22 pm
:Of course, if she was holding his hand, she might have been sensing his fear, somehow:

Maybe but I think quite young children can sense things more easily.

My son when he was around 7 woke up one night after a dream and said his Nana visited him and she was walking and happy (she was infirm in wheelchair). A couple of hours later we got the call and she had died around that time. Course she was ill anyway, but still …

candy

22 Nov 12 at 7:23 pm
Wow he really is JC. Good get.

Quite an unattractive group – the girl is ok but has a trench mouth.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 7:24 pm
Oow yeh, Ginas new book.
Getting it.

jumpnmcar

22 Nov 12 at 7:30 pm
And, IT, the 7.30 Report is interviewing Nick Styant-Brown tonight.

I’ll live blog if it’s good.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 7:31 pm
jumpnmcar,

No worries. I can appreciate the hard work, long hours feeling. More than a few year ago I worked a 7 day roster as a crane chaser. Couldn’t do it these days.

Cheers

Septimus

22 Nov 12 at 7:33 pm
Looks like ABC is playing a straight bat on this.

Finally.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 7:34 pm
grumpnmcar

*giggles*

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 7:34 pm
S&G named a meeting room after her?

The Red Haired Emu Room? Big Butt Room? The Shonk?

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 7:36 pm
Leigh Sales is playing this straight. So did Phillip Corry.

I think the MFM have officially hopped on the bandwagon.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 7:39 pm
The Slapper seems to be in some sort of deep fecal matter:

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/bank-letter-links-pm-to-union-mortgage-20121122-29ssd.html

Nothing will come of it. It’s a media beat up. The Prime Minister can heal unicorns with her tears.

.

22 Nov 12 at 7:39 pm
MFM

What is that, DaveF?

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 7:39 pm
She lied about her knowledge of the mortgage. Is this such a biggie?

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 7:44 pm
Wow. Leigh Sales is useless on follow-up questions. She just sticks to the pre-planned questions and that is all. Hopeless.

Nick Styant-Brown all but said she lied about the mortgage.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 7:45 pm
Play on Main Stream Media.

Mother F*ing Media.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 7:45 pm
The Prime Minister can heal unicorns with her tears

Provided she is holding a chopped up onion in a tissue

Septimus

22 Nov 12 at 7:45 pm
Why would you do that though?

.

22 Nov 12 at 7:46 pm
Well the ABC has noticed so it is now officially News.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 7:47 pm
Shady as a lady with a moustache.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 7:49 pm
Sigh … distractions … nice sunset happening out there.

Septimus

22 Nov 12 at 7:51 pm
Sep: Nice day of cricket as well.

All the guys I like got good scores.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 7:56 pm
None of the spitting, hissing, high-pitched, 78rpm bizarre Sale’s persona tonight. The questions, just the questions delivered slowly and carefully with no follow-up as Gab as already noted. And she wanted Nick to be the one to say the RedHeaded Dunderhead is a liar. His version of events pretty much says as much.

Go ahead and say it, guys. She’s not going to sue a lá Lord McAlpine because she has not got a leg of any description to stand on.

Megan

22 Nov 12 at 7:58 pm
From dots link:

The 400-page conveyancing file also shows that Ms Gillard waived professional fees on the conveyancing and loan work, sought and received a detailed briefing on penalty interest provisions for the mortgage and forwarded a cheque from Mr Blewitt for costs associated with the purchase.

Oh boy.

twostix

22 Nov 12 at 8:04 pm
Blewitt will be talking with the police 10am tomorrow.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 8:08 pm
So are they going to lock Blewitt up after his confession?

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 8:12 pm
Does 400 pages sound excessive at all? Surely 40 is more likely

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 8:14 pm
twostix, dot, see Michael Smith for the gory details:

SG Conveyancing file

duncanm

22 Nov 12 at 8:15 pm
DaveF

Nice day of cricket as well.

Pity about Kallis, I do respect the way he plays cricket and feel robbed by his injury.
He’s a giant of the game.

jumpnmcar

22 Nov 12 at 8:15 pm
400 page paper trails is exactly what you leave behind when you know you’re doing something wrong.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 8:16 pm
Scap – I don’t know if he broke any Victorian laws. He did his rorting in WA.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 8:16 pm
Yeah shame about Kallis and Steyne as well. Their attack is pretty weak now. A real shame.

It was mentioned Clarke is recently married, I hadn’t heard. Hope she’s a better go than that model.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 8:19 pm
http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/royal-commission-into-the-awu

duncanm

22 Nov 12 at 8:20 pm
Scapula.. not sure what you’re trying to get at here.

This is a standard conveyancing file. It shoes nothing untoward in itself. What it does point to, is Gillard’s lying to her firm (S&G), the media, and the people of Australia. It also suggests some illegal activities regarding Blewitt’s power of Attorney to Wilson.

duncanm

22 Nov 12 at 8:23 pm
She didn’t lie to her firm as she gave a rather vague answer in her interview with her firm on the question of the conveyance, if if remember correctly, but so what???

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 8:26 pm
Scrappy is now referring to Labor’s talking points.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 8:28 pm
400 page paper trails is exactly what you leave behind when you know you’re doing something wrong.

Have you heard of the Nixon tapes, you nincompoop?

C.L.

22 Nov 12 at 8:31 pm
It was mentioned Clarke is recently married

News to me,
Asked the Taipan, she says ” yeh,ages ago, a model, not that Bingle thing though”
The important stuff we miss by not reading the MFM ( Made for Female Media)

jumpnmcar

22 Nov 12 at 8:32 pm
Its a conveyance, sweetheart, not the bombing of Cambodia.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 8:32 pm
Trolls – their purpose in life is to go to blogs to hijack the conversation by attempting to make incendiary and annoying comments. Not here to discuss or debate, their aim is simply to get a reaction from the blog community.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 8:33 pm
She didn’t lie to her firm as she gave a rather vague answer in her interview with her firm on the question of the conveyance, if if remember correctly, but so what???

She asserted that she did some ‘minor’ work on conveyancing, one does not ask for a ‘detailed briefing’ for minor work.

Young and Niaeve won’t cut it anymore, neither will ‘I have answered these questions.’

She was in on this to the Nth degree.

Carpe Jugulum

22 Nov 12 at 8:35 pm
400 page paper trails is exactly what you leave behind when you know you’re doing something wrong.

It is when you’re an incompetent hack.

Which is exactly the point.

twostix

22 Nov 12 at 8:38 pm
True Gab – but it is amusing to read the ramblings of the insane.

Carpe Jugulum

22 Nov 12 at 8:39 pm
Wow. Leigh Sales is useless on follow-up questions.

Yeah, big brave Leigh.

She’s following Jones’s lead last night. Shorten all but conceded Gillard was as crooked as Bill Clinton’s dick but “let’s move on” said Tony.

C.L.

22 Nov 12 at 8:40 pm
So I know you guys think that employers are GODS ON EARTH and that LYING TO GOD is a sin but aside from possibly being in Bob Hawke mode – you, know, ‘to the best of my recollection’, where’s the crime?

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 8:40 pm
if remember correctly, but so what???

The top two responses from leftists when corrupt sitting ALP politicians are busted:

“Yes but he/she hasn’t been convicted, yet”
and
“So what??”

twostix

22 Nov 12 at 8:42 pm
Funny about that candy. Whilst I was in the throes of hallucinations during my hypoxic cardiac event, if I closed my eyes I could see a concrete block wall about a meter in front of me. Open eyes, wall is replaced by reality. Close eyes again, there’s the concrete block wall. Quite real it seemed. It stretched in all directions as a barrier.
The Child Bride explained it was a message that I wasn’t ready to kark it yet. I had something important to achieve before I die.
I got a slap when I remarked that I still wasn’t going to tidy my sock drawer.

Winston Smith

22 Nov 12 at 8:43 pm
Oh no! Scrappy’s using CAPITAL LETTERS! Jump back people, this could get messy!!11!!

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 8:43 pm
where’s the crime

You think there’s nothing wrong with the Prime Minister being up to her ears in a massive rort of hundreds of thousands of dollars immediately before she entered politics?

I’m sure you’d extend the same “pragmatism” to Tony Abbott if it were him.

The lefts standard defence of ALP politicians: “Yes but they never went to gaol over it so of course they can be PM/Speaker/Minister, etc!”

twostix

22 Nov 12 at 8:48 pm
Its a conveyance, sweetheart, not the bombing of Cambodia.

Cambodia wasn’t bombed, to the best of my recollection

duncanm

22 Nov 12 at 8:48 pm
2GB’s Ben Fordham interviews Blewitt today. Interesting pauses.

http://www.2gb.com/article/ralph-blewitt-speaks

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 8:49 pm
400 page paper trails is exactly what you leave behind when you know you’re doing something wrong.

Good point Scapula. Gillard must be innocent.

After all, we all that if you’re doing something wrong, exactly what you do is make files disappear. Oh wait…

jupes

22 Nov 12 at 8:53 pm
where’s the crime?

Patience, precious, there’s more to come.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 8:57 pm
In fact Watergate harmed nobody.

Gillard is implicated in a scandal involving the theft of hundreds of thousands of dollars from hard-scrabble workers. And the culprits used the understandable emphasis on health and safety as a cover for their crime.

C.L.

22 Nov 12 at 8:59 pm
where’s the crime?

So far:

1. The signing of the POA.

2. Writing to the WA Corporate Affairs Commission stating the legitimacy of the AWUWRA.

But it’s no longer just about crime. It’s about integrity.

The Prime Minister of our country has none.

jupes

22 Nov 12 at 9:00 pm
What’s with Sales going on for 45 seconds reading out Gillards prepared denial?
Sales should have told Gillard’s flunky that the only statement they will read will be ” The prime minister has declined our invitation to appear and denies any wrong doing.
Anything more is just running interference.

Splatacrobat

22 Nov 12 at 9:03 pm
For those who honestly don’t see the issue with Gillard’s behaviour, take a step back and look at it from another direction.

Would you want your daughter to grow up and shag other women’s husbands? Would you want your child to be a party to the laundering of hundreds of thousands of dollars pilfered or extorted from various sources?

Would you want your child to grow up to be able to look straight to the camera and lie through his or her teeth to the population of the country?

Or is that okay, because, you know, it’s just one of those things that people do?

The only time in my life I was grounded was for lying. (I’m a long way from perfect so it wasn’t the only time I’ve lied, sadly). I’ve also not been a model of chaste and decorous behaviour. I was looking through old photos and found far too many party snaps for my comfort. I did find a few of myself without a glass, so that’s something.

I am not, however, in the public eye, nor am I running for office. I will own up to my sins, and do my penance, but I’ve never behaved like that and I would be appalled if my daughter grew up to be like Gillard.

Wouldn’t any parent?

nilk

22 Nov 12 at 9:04 pm
you, know, ‘to the best of my recollection’, where’s the crime?

When the documentation doesn’t support your lame assertion, then the ‘best of my recollection’ becomes a lie.

Carpe Jugulum

22 Nov 12 at 9:05 pm
Wouldn’t any parent?

You’d just die of shame, Nilk.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 9:06 pm
Watching Sales tonight was gold.

Late to the party, not wanting to go, she looked in pain. Mr Deadpan gave her nothing to feel good about and refused to rise to bait of her completely out of place prepared questions.

This is the beginning of…Popcorn Time!

jupes

22 Nov 12 at 9:08 pm
Wouldn’t any parent?

Nilk – Unfortunately for some of the rusted on ALP parents what you have said is a feature, not a bug.

They spend their lives well balanced with a chip on each shoulder.

Carpe Jugulum

22 Nov 12 at 9:09 pm
Gillard has no integrity, sorry, but I don’t expect that from a politician.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 9:09 pm
Asked the Taipan, she says ” yeh,ages ago, a model, not that Bingle thing though”
The important stuff we miss by not reading the MFM ( Made for Female Media)

That’s because it was a secret wedding.

Michael Clarke has revealed that he married his girlfriend Kyly Boldy in a secret ceremony in Blue Mountains on Tuesday.

Nice play on the MFM thing btw.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 9:09 pm
Gillard has no integrity, sorry, but I don’t expect that from a politician.

That explains your support for Labor.

jupes

22 Nov 12 at 9:12 pm
Gillard has no integrity, sorry, but I don’t expect that from a politician.

So what do you expect scrappy, free stuff, a red dalek that lies, a minister who has a propensity for wearing red underpants on their head.

Do enlighten the lumpenproles with your pearls of wisdom.

Carpe Jugulum

22 Nov 12 at 9:14 pm
That’s because it was a secret wedding.

I remember how Lady Jugs and i kept our wedding secret. Except for our families, Uncles, Aunts , Cousins and friends.

But apart from them, totally secret. A pity most of them weren’t invited to our weddings.

Carpe Jugulum

22 Nov 12 at 9:18 pm
Dot – the rich kids book is intersting. I downloaded on kindle.

Alice

22 Nov 12 at 9:20 pm
“Michael Clarke has revealed that he married his girlfriend Kyly Boldy …”

I suppose marrying Kyly boldly is better than marrying her indifferently.

And yet – a day later Clarke confirms his mediocrity by twittering to the world how it was just lovely and Kyly twitters right back how it was just lovely. Aaaaargghhhh!

Mick Gold Coast QLD

22 Nov 12 at 9:20 pm
The so-called journos on Paul Murray live have just admitted that they now understand this really complex and complicated scandal because Nick Styvant-Brown made it simple for them.

FMD. I want my own TV journalist job…except I’m totally overqualified in that I have a working brain.

Megan

22 Nov 12 at 9:24 pm
The labor party runs the right economic policies but they graft and rort on the way there and once there. The liberal party runs unhelpful economic policies that discriminate against the middle and poor becuse they mindlessly attack public services which help this cohort, but they dont rort as much on an individual level.

So who wins for me with a better lifestyle, a better economy, more money in my pocket and less corruption in government?.

Fucking hard call. Neither of the bastards.

Alice

22 Nov 12 at 9:25 pm
So who will I vote for? I will vote to destabilise.

Alice

22 Nov 12 at 9:28 pm
Wouldn’t any parent?

You’d just die of shame, Nilk.

Grrrr – foiled again! Gab is much younger and way quicker than me ….. but she knows that.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

22 Nov 12 at 9:28 pm
However, Mick is wiser and an excellent wordsmith.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 9:34 pm
PM faces new claims over union past

A FORMER law-firm colleague of Prime Minister Julia Gillard says her version of the AWU mortgage scandal just doesn’t stack up…

PRIME Minister Julia Gillard knew about a $150,000 Slater and Gordon mortgage for a property used by union fraudster Bruce Wilson more than two years before the date she admitted to knowing about it in an interview with the firm’s management, a former senior partner claims.

In the latest revelation in the Australian Workers Union scandal, Nick Styant-Browne also revealed there was “deep disquiet” among S&G’s top-tier management about some of Ms Gillard’s conduct as a lawyer acting for the AWU.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 9:38 pm
Colour me cynical but if even the ABC is covering the AWU scandal is probably means Gillard is about to be dumped.

ABC only ever dumps on Labor leaders once they’re either terminal (NSW Labor) or gone (Latham, Rudd).

MDMConnell

22 Nov 12 at 9:40 pm
Jeez. Alice you sound like a fiscally conservative anarchist.
If there is such a beast..

Splatacrobat

22 Nov 12 at 9:43 pm
From dots link:

“The 400-page conveyancing file also shows that Ms Gillard waived professional fees on the conveyancing and loan work, sought and received a detailed briefing on penalty interest provisions for the mortgage and forwarded a cheque from Mr Blewitt for costs associated with the purchase.

Oh boy.”

No twostix, not “Oh boy” at all.

I watched to find out just how much Their ABC would stick with The Only True Truth. I was a bit surprised.

At the end that mousy ABC woman said the pm-ette’s office had written a letter to Their ABC saying “She never didn’t do nothingk to arrange the mortgage interest insurance stuff.” That’s the bit where Styant-Browne referred to a letter (shown at Michael Smith’s site) from the bank addressed to her about the mortgage interest insurance stuff. Two years before she said she knew anything about it.

That letter to Their ABC tonight means she has answered all possible questions about her involvement – can you not see that?

Mick Gold Coast QLD

22 Nov 12 at 9:49 pm
Yep, the ALP worked out they are dead meat with Gillard, but the problem is that the ALP would dead week old meat if there is a leadership challenge. Better to have her resign and get Kevni to save the day.

entropy

22 Nov 12 at 9:54 pm
Dying of shame sounds like a reasonable option, Gab, Mick.

Other than that, I just had a look at one of my yahoo accounts to find out I’ve been hacked. Bugger. Last week my twitter acct was hacked and this week it’s yahoo. Well, one of them. I’ll have to check my other accounts now.

So much for an early night.

nilk

22 Nov 12 at 9:55 pm
Gillard is a far better PM than Kevin ‘i’ve got a mental age of seven’. Its a pity she’s a right wingers wet dream, like Clinton, but you guys always want more.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 9:58 pm
Spat – is that what you would call me ? A fiscally coservative anarchist? FCA?

Well then. I must be. Realy what do you do when you dont like either party enough and you want to take the bits you like from one party (and get rid of their bludging and cheating members) and keep the good fiscal managers from the other party and get rid of their idiots that wont provide any basic public goods? Im stuffed if I know.

I swear I hate them both and have to believe that one day a party will come along who can get it all right and they are gonna just clean up the tribal divisions etc.

I hate this left right blue lib labor divde. Both dont cut the mustard. We just want a government, not an economics lecture (and they are a bunch of lies anyway).

Sounds OK. Am I the first member of this group? FCA?
Good.

Alice

22 Nov 12 at 10:01 pm
Gillard has no integrity, sorry, but I don’t expect that from a politician.

That’s almost of the time when, posting as “Febro”, you said that you didn’t care about union corruption, and then described your own opinion as “sad”.

Fisky

22 Nov 12 at 10:02 pm
Its a pity she’s a right wingers wet dream,

I am a libertarian, not a right winger, but she founded a pro abortion group and is an ex communist.

She’s about a dreamy as a fermenting pig turd on a warm summer’s day.

.

22 Nov 12 at 10:06 pm
Gillard’s concern will be reflected in the size of the distraction launched before parliament sits Monday.

She’s used up her misogyny, royal commission, NDIS, MDB & oops about the boat people cards in quicktime.

Going Gonski could be deliciously ironic…

Rousie

22 Nov 12 at 10:09 pm
I’ve been going through the mortgage file and have noticed several items in 1993. The faxes from Comm Bank…but also a couple of hand written notes to “Julia” and “JEG”.

It’s all been in the open and nobody (I’m looking at you Hedley Thomas) was excited till the ABC took an interest. I call shennanigans and the ABC running an agenda for someone.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 10:09 pm
“Colour me cynical but if even the ABC is covering the AWU scandal is probably means Gillard is about to be dumped.

ABC only ever dumps on Labor leaders once they’re either terminal (NSW Labor) or gone (Latham, Rudd).”

Oh MDMConnell that was my thought tonight when the ABC newsreader Grade III girl failed to interrupt or bark at Styant-Browne.

When I heard early in the week of the third incidence of pinched files I wrote at Michael Smith’s site how you feel like just sitting down and crying at the impossibility of nailing the mongrel. That is how I felt then, just flattened by the completeness of the cover up.

Now it seems the week will end a lot better, and just a week away from her fronting the House and Julie Bishop in her excellent ascendancy.

I feel bouyed by what I see now – this is not a hearing, judgement and gaoling but it is enough to stir disquiet among the superannuation conscious on her front and back bench, which will bubble throughout the festive season and that is a good thing. An excellent thing.

I notice too that AbbottAbbottAbbott is wisely well distant from all of this.

She could yet declare war on Nauru next Wednesday for failing in its international obligations to offer decent tourist facilities …

Mick Gold Coast QLD

22 Nov 12 at 10:09 pm
Could you send along a copy of her CPA card?

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 10:10 pm
I hate this left right blue lib labor divde. Both dont cut the mustard. We just want a government, not an economics lecture (and they are a bunch of lies anyway).

Yep of course Alice. You came 11th out of a class of 3000 and have postgrad economics quals and teach it…but it’s all lies.

.

22 Nov 12 at 10:10 pm
You can be el presidente Alice of the FCA. Either that or I suggest you try and resurrect Don Chipp and his Democrats. They were much like your two poles of policy preference .

Splatacrobat

22 Nov 12 at 10:11 pm
“I call shennanigans and the ABC running an agenda for someone.”

That too DaveF. Bloody delicious!

Mick Gold Coast QLD

22 Nov 12 at 10:12 pm
I agree, the faceless men want her gone. They want her to resign to avoid a challenge which, given 2010, they do not want to repeat. The ABC has permission. They are stenographers after all.

entropy

22 Nov 12 at 10:12 pm
Yeah I didn’t think about the possibility of invading a small Pacific island.

Rousie

22 Nov 12 at 10:14 pm
What would you know, entropy, an orchestrated choir of ferals with a Seinfeld scandal is going to bring down a PM?

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 10:15 pm
I hate this left right blue lib labor divde.

Only leftists say things like this.

Infidel Tiger

22 Nov 12 at 10:16 pm
Well if you’re so sure then why all the angst, Scrappy Doo Doo?

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 10:16 pm
http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/qed/2012/09/when-gillard-ran-with-the-reds

Gillard’s group were CPA infiltrators of the ALP. As she is now.

.

22 Nov 12 at 10:17 pm
Mick, entropy it takes me a while to think these things out but maybe that’s right.

Damn the invasion of Nauru for UN Refugee Convention violations could be her out.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 10:18 pm
“I hate this left right blue lib labor divde.”

Alice, i’m thinking it’s been like that for yonks.

However, it’s the corrupt ALP we have now that is seriously dividing the nation.

candy

22 Nov 12 at 10:18 pm
Gillard’s group were CPA infiltrators of the ALP. As she is now

The communist party was dissolved in 1991 and long before that it had become a spent intellectual and poltical force.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 10:21 pm
Gillard was not a student in 1991. She was losing files because she was still young and naive.

.

22 Nov 12 at 10:22 pm
That was a big bunch of nothing on 7.30. The guy clearly has an axe to grind, for some reason.

What’s next in the never ending smear campaign that’s not alleging any illegality?

steve from brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 10:25 pm
video and transcript of Nick Styant-Browne “interview” on 7.30 report

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 10:28 pm
Steve you know less about the law than you do the art of manliness.

Scurry along now.

Infidel Tiger

22 Nov 12 at 10:29 pm
Gillard loves America and is putting its troops on Australian soil.

She loathes the Palestinians and supports Israel no matter what.

The reform of Workchoices changed little and wages are shrinking, strikes are at all time lows and foreign workers flood into the country.

Has the usual right wing loathing of state education as not being performance driven while she shovels money to private schools.

Invented a mining tax that raises no revenue because she’s scared of the big end of town.

The carbon tax is here only due to her need for alliances.

And so one could go on, but ferals won’t be happy until the 47% are in concentrations camps.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 10:31 pm
LOL

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 10:32 pm
Gee Scapula that’s a great list. I reckon if you’d written it thoughtfully, maybe 5 hours ago, it might have been both witty and worth a response.

But nice try.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 10:38 pm
PM spokesperson says it all:

Ms Gillard stands by her statements in the Slater and Gordon interview of 11 September 1995 as her best recollection of events two and a half years earlier.

There is no contradiction in anything you have put to us. In addition, contrary to previous claims by you and The Age, the Prime Minister did not run nor was in charge of the conveyancing file – and as such couldn’t be expected to have a detailed recollection of the transactions in the file two and a half years after they occurred.

In addition, the certificate of currency does not show that Ralph Blewitt was her “client” in relation to this conveyancing matter, as you allege, nor that the Commonwealth Bank was “her bank”, as you allege, nor that she personally sought confirmation of the insurance cover, as you allege.

Given your recent history of publishing unsupportable claims on this matter, and having afterwards to correct them, it’s a pity The Age is again considering publishing allegations you can’t substantiate.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 10:38 pm
The communist party was dissolved in 1991 and long before that it had become a spent intellectual and poltical force.

The CPA bequeathed it’s remaining funds to the shiny new Socialist Forum. And who was one of the founding members, and one of two paid employees of this “Socialist Forum” -the official financial successor to the CPA?

Julia Gillard.

Who become a ranking committee member of the Socialist Forum?

Julia Gillard.

Who never left the Socialist Forum and was still an active member when it merged with the Fabian Society in 2002?

Julia Gillard.

twostix

22 Nov 12 at 10:39 pm
Camps seem like a good idea

Tal

22 Nov 12 at 10:39 pm
Yep. Concentration camps. This is what idiot lefties believe opposing their policies mean.

What a hysterical bunch of drama hag queens.

.

22 Nov 12 at 10:40 pm
‘no knowledge of the loan’ was a lie then and its a lie now.

duncanm

22 Nov 12 at 10:40 pm
Gillard is even selling off residency for 5 million a pop:

WEALTHY Asian business people are lining up for the federal government’s new ”golden visa”, which waives the usual criteria for skilled migrants – such as an ability to speak English – in exchange for a $5 million investment in Australia.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 10:40 pm
Crapula probably still believes Good Ol Boy Roger Rogerson woz innocent.

.

22 Nov 12 at 10:42 pm
Roger may have been guilty at law but he was righteous.

Infidel tiger

22 Nov 12 at 10:45 pm
Gillard is even selling off residency for 5 million a pop:

I agree with that policy. They could bring down the price tag to under 1 million though. It only costs half a mill to move to the US, so I don’t see why we’re charging 10 times the amount.

dd

22 Nov 12 at 10:49 pm
I think it’s time everyone should back off and leave poor Julia alone. I want her to go to an election, so in the words of Paul Keating, we can do her slowly.

Although, come to think of it, that might open me to claims of Mysogeneee!

entropy

22 Nov 12 at 10:50 pm
The best sign to me that Gillard has nothing to worry about is that Catallaxians thinks she does. I predict the Catallaxian predictions of her demise will be as accurate as the rolled gold Catallaxian predictions of Obama’s demise.

SteveC

22 Nov 12 at 10:51 pm
I think Ms Gillard is Wallby Ted’s cousin now, well and truly. Dotcha just love it!!!!

Leigh Sales almost blinked her fake straight eyelashes off and by the end of the interview those thin mean lips of hers had almost disappeared.

Tintarella di Luna

22 Nov 12 at 10:51 pm
The best sign to me that Gillard has nothing to worry about is that Catallaxians thinks she does. I predict the Catallaxian predictions of her demise will be as accurate as the rolled gold Catallaxian predictions of Obama’s demise.

The stupid bitch has committed tax evasion and common fraud. I predicted Obama may lose before Hurrican Sandy, by a small margin.

Gillard will spend two to ten at Bandyup. This has you worried, Steve C.

.

22 Nov 12 at 10:54 pm
Question SteveC

What evidence would you need that the current prime minister is a crook? At what point would you give up on her?

JC

22 Nov 12 at 10:55 pm
I agree with that policy. They could bring down the price tag to under 1 million though. It only costs half a mill to move to the US, so I don’t see why we’re charging 10 times the amount.

So the only difference between the Gillard Government and people smugglers is that the former charges too much!

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 10:58 pm
Well I don’t think anyone in Australia thinks Fed Labor can win the next election.

two to ten at Bandyup

Thats the one in Melbourne is it?

It’s Emu Plains in Sydney. They teach hairdressing and waitressing.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 10:59 pm
The stupid bitch has committed tax evasion and common fraud. I predicted Obama may lose before Hurrican Sandy, by a small margin.

Blown away by global warming, then?

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 11:00 pm
Crapulon the racist and anti-semite’s arguments on this thread to date:

Jewish… Jews… Jews… Jews… Jewish… Hitler… Jews..

Mk50 of Brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 11:02 pm
I doubt Gillard will be imprisoned but I will be staggered if they can find an ankle bracelet that fits her for her upcoming house arrest.

Infidel tiger

22 Nov 12 at 11:02 pm
You mean a cankle bracelet?

John Mc

22 Nov 12 at 11:03 pm
So the only difference between the Gillard Government and people smugglers is that the former charges too much!

Scapula, I know you’re being sarcastic but honestly, this is one way to kill the people smuggling stone dead: provide ‘paid’ immigration places.

There are lots of differences between the two, not just the price tag. One difference is, well, as Howard said, “we decide” rather than people smugglers decide. We get to check them out and refuse anyone we don’t like. If too many are coming, we can slow it down or cap it or stop it.

Also, people who can afford to pay their way won’t be a burden on government finances. If they’re business people willing to invest, that brings so many pluses that I don’t know even where to start.

dd

22 Nov 12 at 11:04 pm
Mk 50 – you’ve been following Murdoch’s tweets I see.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 11:04 pm
“What evidence would you need that the current prime minister is a crook? At what point would you give up on her?”

JC, they love her no matter what

candy

22 Nov 12 at 11:07 pm
“I want her to go to an election, so in the words of Paul Keating, we can do her slowly.”

I’m a bit the same entropy. i want the witch to suffer, personally suffer.

It’s the next bit that is of concern … the resurrection of Comrade Dear Leader (in exile), Rudd of Tripoli. It’s hard to imagine but they’ll be desperate to field an electoral winner and it seems there are plenty of fools who think the meglomaniacal Nambour narcissist is “not all that bad”.

I’d hope they’d instal Comrade Short Billy. Framing a re-election campaign around a small small men’s grey cardigan will be difficult.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

22 Nov 12 at 11:07 pm
150k euro house will buy you a passport in Spain.

That’s $200k in our money.

New policy from this week. Think about it Cats, an EU passport and a holiday house.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 11:08 pm
Gillard will spend two to ten at Bandyup. This has you worried, Steve C.

One of the US federal prisons for females is also known as Camp Cupcake.

It’s in Alderson West Virginia.

Could we send the lying slapper there?

JC

22 Nov 12 at 11:08 pm
I think Martha Stewart spent time in Camp Cupcake

JC

22 Nov 12 at 11:09 pm
What’s next in the never ending smear campaign that’s not alleging any illegality?

Steve, you do realise, I presume, that running this line precludes you from criticising any Coalition politician ever again? Because if you really believe there is nothing to see here, move on everyone, you could not have the bare-faced hypocrisy to adopt your typical effete faux-outrage at the doings and utterings – past, present and future – of Coalition politicians.

James in Melbourne

22 Nov 12 at 11:10 pm
Come off it, these citizenship for cash deals always end up with scams and people seeing Australia as a bolt hole if things turn bad in the PRC.

And then ferals around here rant about multiculturalism and insist on citizenship tests when these entrants don’t even need to speak English.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 11:11 pm
Why burden the Americans further? They already have Obama.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 11:11 pm
Gillard is a far better PM than Kevin ‘i’ve got a mental age of seven’. Its a pity she’s a right wingers wet dream, like Clinton, but you guys always want more.

KRudd is the right-wingers dream. I would vote for that man if I thought I could see him in the top job again. Flailing hopelessly while his world crashed around him, mumbling ten-minute responses to questions no one can understand, making those around him embarrassed for him, until he’s finally knifed and never spoken of again. It would be the funniest fortnight in the nation’s history.

John Mc

22 Nov 12 at 11:11 pm
Long Road

Eddie Vedder with Rahat Fateh Ali Khan.

Splatacrobat

22 Nov 12 at 11:11 pm
No actually, Crapulon, you Jew-baiting racist filthball. Just got in from far west and saw this thread and wondered if an anti-semitic scumbag like you would be drawn irrisistibly towards the topic of Jews given current affairs.

So did a Control-F and voila. There was you obsessing about Jews and Hitler.

Again.

Mk50 of Brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 11:11 pm
Any evidence at all, JC.

SteveC

22 Nov 12 at 11:14 pm
They teach hairdressing and waitressing.

The hairdressing thing could work. I couldn’t imagine her as wait staff because of her terrible locution. There’s a Tony&Guy Salon chain..

I guess Tim&Julia could be catchy too.

JC

22 Nov 12 at 11:14 pm
“… until he’s finally knifed and never spoken of again. It would be the funniest fortnight in the nation’s history.”

Comedy gold John Mc.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

22 Nov 12 at 11:16 pm
Why burden the Americans further? They already have Obama.

Well she wouldn’t cause that much damage in Camp Cupcake, Gabs.

The Kenyan could go and visit her there.

JC

22 Nov 12 at 11:16 pm
Any evidence at all, JC.

Stop being an evasive dickhead and answer the question honestly, SteveC.

JC

22 Nov 12 at 11:17 pm
Read some Oxfam, mk50, and curb your enthusiasm:

We cannot return to business as usual. For five years, Gaza has been subject to a crippling blockade, which has restricted what it can import and export and destroyed its economy. Since the blockade started, a third of Gaza’s businesses have closed and 80% of its population now needs aid to get by.

The international community needs to be courageous. Only by lifting the blockade, do we have any chance of ending the incessant cycle of violence that has devastated millions of lives. The international community’s two-state solution will be impossible to achieve while the blockade continues and Palestinians remain divided between Gaza and the West Bank.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 11:18 pm
The Spanish holiday home story.

Spain is to offer automatic residency to wealthy foreign property buyers in an attempt to lure Chinese and Russians to reduce its huge stockpile of 750,000 unsold properties.

Buyers who acquire a home worth €160,000 or more will get a residency permit

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 11:19 pm
$200,000 to avoid the Customs queues at Heathrow sounds like a pretty good deal.

H B Bear

22 Nov 12 at 11:20 pm
Gillard’s concern will be reflected in the size of the distraction launched before parliament sits Monday.

I think not even invading Nauru would be enough… How about New Zealand?

Ah, got it. The Red Dalek will announce her impending nuptials to Gold Coast spiv Tim Mathieson and will auction the photo rights to the highest bidding woman’s magazine. All the proceeds will go towards the Keep-Julia-out-of-the-Big-House Fighting Fund.

Cold-Hands

22 Nov 12 at 11:20 pm
Funny. They have no problems getting past the blockade when it comes to rockets and such.

Gab

22 Nov 12 at 11:20 pm
Jc, that is an honest answer. There is no evidence. There are statements by an admitted fraudster, which contradict the PM. That’s not credible evidence. There are also statements by Styant-Brown who didn’t agree with the assesment of the reasons for Gillards departure from S&G. There is nothing new there.

So there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.

SteveC

22 Nov 12 at 11:21 pm
Splat

Eddie had Mark Seymour on stage playing “Throw your arms around me”. I reckon Eddie does it better.

Here.

(I didn’t know eddie was going bald.)

JC

22 Nov 12 at 11:23 pm
I have opened up a new open forum.

Sinclair Davidson

22 Nov 12 at 11:26 pm
StevEC

What would it take you to admit the Slapper is a crook?

If that little prick, Ralph Blewitt doesn’t sound credible the former partner does.

She resigned because she had to and it’s on the transcript, you delusional asshat.

JC

22 Nov 12 at 11:27 pm
What crime is Styant-Brown alleging?

SteveC

22 Nov 12 at 11:28 pm
Hey, new fred

Cato the Elder

22 Nov 12 at 11:29 pm
Gee Scapula.

Read some Oxfam

Absolutely corrupted lobby group. In their report did they mention the Hamas ‘winners’ of the election were as honest as, I dunno, a PLO team doing “free and fair”?

After winning they almost immediately started supporting ‘activists’ to enter Israel for destruction.

So the border was closed.

The story is not as simple as this but as a guy who thinks Israel needs to give a bit more I think this one is close to black and white.

Rocketing schools moves my judgement meter mate.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 11:31 pm
What crime is Styant-Brown alleging?

He didn’t allege any crimes. In fact he was quite specific about that. However what he did do was give an account of the slapper’s departure and the circumstances surrounding that. It doesn’t appear to have been pretty.

JC

22 Nov 12 at 11:32 pm
So there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.

Except for all the documents that prove that Gillard ‘mispoke’.

Cold-Hands

22 Nov 12 at 11:32 pm
Gab, Crapulon’s just saying that is arab terrorists in Gaza could just kill more Jews, he’d be so happy.

Mk50 of Brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 11:35 pm
Any evidence at all.

There is no evidence

there is no evidence

I give you this coming weeks media line.

So Gillards camp has fallen back from ignoring the matter to “I’ve already dealt with that matter” to “I’ve answered all of those questions” to “this is a smear” to “there is no evidence”.

Quite the retreat.

twostix

22 Nov 12 at 11:35 pm
Gaza was emptied of Israelis and the space blockaded to create a ghetto that Israel could police with interminable rockets and gunfire.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 11:39 pm
There’s more evidence than of Abbott’s alleged wall punching.

nic

22 Nov 12 at 11:40 pm
Gaza was emptied of Israelis and the space blockaded to create a ghetto that Israel could police with interminable rockets and gunfire.

And why did they do that?

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 11:43 pm
I’m on the next open thread anyway

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 11:45 pm
So Crapulon … blames the Jews for leaving gaza now.

But Crapulon you disgusting racist dirtbag, you leftards insisted that the instant the Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos left Gaza, unicorns would gambol in the fairy-floss fields and hey presto, it would be proven to the world that it was always the Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos causing the problems and never the poor innocent pallies.

That was in 2005. Remember it well.

Did not turn out that way did it, you terrorist fellating loser?

The first rocket was fired into Sderot less than two hours after gaza became all theirs.

You’d love that, eh?

Mk50 of Brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 11:47 pm
Gaza is not theirs. Its occupied by Israel.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 11:49 pm
How DO they manage that, racist, without any people in Gaza?

Magic Jewish astral projection?

Mk50 of Brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 11:52 pm
Gaza is not theirs. Its occupied by Israel.

Why would they want that shithole, Bob?

JC

22 Nov 12 at 11:53 pm
Its useful as a prison for stateless people.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 11:55 pm
So you’re saying they occupy it, spend millions and millions doing so to run as a prison?

You irrational lardball, Bob, it doesn’t make any sense at all.

JC

22 Nov 12 at 11:57 pm
Austalia has many islands without Australians living on them, but they’re still occupied by Australia.

Scapula

22 Nov 12 at 11:57 pm
Bob,

Try and give and rational answer.

Your example doesn’t make any sense. By your own account those islands are populated. Gaza is populated. Therefore you need to explain the rationale as to why Israel would bother.

JC

23 Nov 12 at 12:01 am
stop upsetting sacrappy. you’re making him frantic like a two-legged toad on a highway in FNQ.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 12:02 am
Crapulon you pathetic anti-semitic scumbag, gaza was deliberately set up as a trial for ‘palestine’, to see if those barbarian scum could (with vast EU aid) actually run their own state.

To no-one’s surprise, they can’t. Utterly incapable of it. Gaza has proven to the world that they are simply savages. All they had to do was to govern themselves properly, develop the functioning agricultural high-value industries US Jews purchased for them and handed over to them intact , and generally deport themselves like civilised human beings.

What a sick joke that idea turned out to be.

Fat chance that was ever going to happen. They are barbarian savages and they acted like it in 2005. The funtioning businesses were looted and burned. More important to them (and you) was killing Jews.

You are just angry that they failed to kill enough Jews, and that they proved well able to defend themselves, aren’t you?

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 12:07 am
The Jews invented Soda Stream, Hamas invented Farfour the Mouse.

.

23 Nov 12 at 12:10 am
Its a prison under Israeli control and hence under international law it is still occupied by Israeli.

Does anyone think the Warsaw Ghetto wasn’t under Nazi occupation?

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 12:12 am
And her’e yer proof that arab muslims are kinda low on the ‘civilised people’ table, compared to Jews (barbarians don’t do research):

Arab/Islamic Nobel Prize Winners
From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world’s population (2 out of every 10 people)

Literature
1988 – Najib Mahfooz
Peace
1978 – Anwar El-Sadat
1994 – Yasser Arafat *
2003 – Shirin Ebadi
Chemistry
1999 – Ahmed Zewail
Physics
Abdus Salam

* NOTE: Norwegian, Kaare Kristiansen, was a member of the Nobel Committee. He resigned in 1994 to protest the awarding of a Nobel “Peace Prize” to Yasser Arafat, whom he correctly labeled a “terrorist.”
Jewish Nobel Prize Winners
From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World’s Population (2 out of every 1,000 people)

Literature
1910 – Paul Heyse
1927 – Henri Bergson
1958 – Boris Pasternak
1966 – Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 – Nelly Sachs
1976 – Saul Bellow
1978 – Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 – Elias Canetti
1987 – Joseph Brodsky
1991 – Nadine Gordimer
2002 – Imre Kertesz
World Peace
1911 – Alfred Fried
1911 – Tobias Asser
1968 – Rene Cassin
1973 – Henry Kissinger
1978 – Menachem Begin
1986 – Elie Wiesel
1994 – Shimon Peres
1994 – Yitzhak Rabin
1995 – Joseph Rotblat
Chemistry
1905 – Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 – Henri Moissan
1910 – Otto Wallach
1915 – Richard Willstaetter
1918 – Fritz Haber
1943 – George Charles de Hevesy
1961 – Melvin Calvin
1962 – Max Ferdinand Perutz
1972 – William Howard Stein
1972 – C.B. Anfinsen
1977 – Ilya Prigogine
1979 – Herbert Charles Brown
1980 – Paul Berg
1980 – Walter Gilbert
1981 – Ronald Hoffmann
1982 – Aaron Klug
1985 – Herbert A. Hauptman
1985 – Jerome Karle
1986 – Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 – Robert Huber
1989 – Sidney Altman
1992 – Rudolph Marcus
1998 – Walter Kohn
2000 – Alan J. Heeger
2004 – Irwin Rose
2004 – Avram Hershko
2004 – Aaron Ciechanover
Economics
1970 – Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 – Simon Kuznets
1972 – Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1973 – Wassily Leontief
1975 – Leonid Kantorovich
1976 – Milton Friedman
1978 – Herbert A. Simon
1980 – Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 – Franco Modigliani
1987 – Robert M. Solow
1990 – Harry Markowitz
1990 – Merton Miller
1992 – Gary Becker
1993 – Rober Fogel
1994 – John Harsanyi
1994 – Reinhard Selten
1997 – Robert Merton
1997 – Myron Scholes
2001 – George Akerlof
2001 – Joseph Stiglitz
2002 – Daniel Kahneman
2005 – Robert (Israel) Aumann
Medicine
1908 – Elie Metchnikoff
1908 – Paul Erlich
1914 – Robert Barany
1922 – Otto Meyerhof
1930 – Karl Landsteiner
1931 – Otto Warburg
1936 – Otto Loewi
1944 – Joseph Erlanger
1944 – Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 – Ernst Boris Chain
1946 – Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 – Tadeus Reichstein
1952 – Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 – Hans Krebs
1953 – Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 – Joshua Lederberg
1959 – Arthur Kornberg
1964 – Konrad Bloch
1965 – Francois Jacob
1965 – Andre Lwoff
1967 – George Wald
1968 – Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 – Salvador Luria
1970 – Julius Axelrod
1970 – Sir Bernard Katz
1972 – Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 – David Baltimore
1975 – Howard Martin Temin
1976 – Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 – Rosalyn Sussman Yalow
1977 – Andrew V. Schally
1978 – Daniel Nathans
1980 – Baruj Benacerraf
1984 – Cesar Milstein
1985 – Michael Stuart Brown
1985 – Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 – Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 – Gertrude Elion
1989 – Harold Varmus
1991 – Erwin Neher
1991 – Bert Sakmann
1993 – Richard J. Roberts
1993 – Phillip Sharp
1994 – Alfred Gilman
1994 – Martin Rodbell
1995 – Edward B. Lewis
1997 – Stanley B. Prusiner
1998 – Robert F. Furchgott
2000 – Eric R. Kandel
2002 – Sydney Brenner
2002 – Robert H. Horvitz
Physics
1907 – Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 – Gabriel Lippmann
1921 – Albert Einstein
1922 – Niels Bohr
1925 – James Franck
1925 – Gustav Hertz
1943 – Gustav Stern
1944 – Isidor Issac Rabi
1945 – Wolfgang Pauli
1952 – Felix Bloch
1954 – Max Born
1958 – Igor Tamm
1958 – Il’ja Mikhailovich
1958 – Igor Yevgenyevich
1959 – Emilio Segre
1960 – Donald A. Glaser
1961 – Robert Hofstadter
1962 – Lev Davidovich Landau
1963 – Eugene P. Wigner
1965 – Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 – Julian Schwinger
1967 – Hans Albrecht Bethe
1969 – Murray Gell-Mann
1971 – Dennis Gabor
1972 – Leon N. Cooper
1973 – Brian David Josephson
1975 – Benjamin Mottleson
1976 – Burton Richter
1978 – Arno Allan Penzias
1978 – Peter L Kapitza
1979 – Stephen Weinberg
1979 – Sheldon Glashow
1988 – Leon Lederman
1988 – Melvin Schwartz
1988 – Jack Steinberger
1990 – Jerome Friedman
1992 – Georges Charpak
1995 – Martin Perl
1995 – Frederick Reines
1996 – David M. Lee
1996 – Douglas D. Osheroff
1997 – Claude Cohen-Tannoudji
2000 – Zhores I. Alferov
2003 – Vitaly Ginsburg
2003 – Alexei Abrikosov
After reviewing this list, can you supply a reason for the large discrepancy between the Arab/Islamic population’s contribution to the world body and that of the Jew? There are 165 Jews listed as opposed to 6 from the Arab side.

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 12:14 am
Oh here we go, Scrapula is now equating the Jews with Nazis. Typical. That greenfilth Rhiannon’s little mate.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 12:14 am
The Jews invented Soda Stream, Hamas invented Farfour the Mouse.

Bob’s inner Max Screem is coming out again. The fat Jew hating asshat just can’t help it.

JC

23 Nov 12 at 12:16 am
Its a prison under Israeli control

That’s the most stupid remark you’ve made to date and you’ve made scores of useless dumb remarks.

Under control? If it were under control of the Israelis they’d be prosperous and not firing rockets at Israel, you dumbo.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 12:19 am
Oh, and Crapulon, you racist vermin, under international law, if it is self-governing and free of any foreign military personnel inside its biorder (which gaza is and has been since 2005) then it’s independent.

As it was set up to be in 2005.

Fact and history trumps your vile ant-semitism and pathetic fabulism.

Try education, you squalid intellectually crippled ill-bred boorish racist scumbag. It might do you some good.

Naah. No amount of education can help a racist piece of filth like you.

Unlike you, I havea job I have to attend to tomorrow. So while you use your Mum’s cooking oil to enhance your self-pleasuring as you watch the beheading of Daniel Pearl for the 956th time, I’m racking in.

happy monkey-spanking, you foul little two-inch racist.

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 12:21 am
Your definition is incorrect.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 12:28 am
Which you know goes directly against Church teaching. Obviously you have reasoned your way into what you find acceptable for secular laws.

I set out a lesser of two evils given our current laws regarding abortion. I’m not setting out what I find best so far as the secular law is concerned but a way-point to what I would prefer given the moral evil I believe abortion to constitute.

For you to carry on that all of those who have reasoned their way to a different conclusion are as bad as Singer is just being a ninny.

You seem determined to misunderstand me. I have no idea what your starting premises are regarding the status of the child, but it seems to me to be similar to Singer’s given the arguments you entertain. If this is not the case, you need to reconsider your chain of reasoning. Singer is at least consistent with his premises even though you believe his conclusions to be “bad”.

dover_beach

25 Nov 12 at 9:17 am

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