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		<title>By: johanna</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/11/21/a-cunning-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-647952</link>
		<dc:creator>johanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Departmental secretaries are employed under contracts which say they can be sacked anytime, no reason need be given. So these laws won&#039;t affect them. They get hefty payouts if that happens, though.

Apart from all the obvious things wrong with this legislation, the notion that employers are liable if an employee is &quot;offended&quot; is one of the most bizarre things I have ever heard. How on earth is an employer supposed to prevent someone from feeling offended?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Departmental secretaries are employed under contracts which say they can be sacked anytime, no reason need be given. So these laws won&#8217;t affect them. They get hefty payouts if that happens, though.</p>
<p>Apart from all the obvious things wrong with this legislation, the notion that employers are liable if an employee is &#8220;offended&#8221; is one of the most bizarre things I have ever heard. How on earth is an employer supposed to prevent someone from feeling offended?</p>
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		<title>By: Forester</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/11/21/a-cunning-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-647488</link>
		<dc:creator>Forester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So how soon after the election can the next Government abolish this and all the other Trade Union Party legislation?

Can they just defund the department responsible for administering it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how soon after the election can the next Government abolish this and all the other Trade Union Party legislation?</p>
<p>Can they just defund the department responsible for administering it?</p>
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		<title>By: Forester</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/11/21/a-cunning-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-647478</link>
		<dc:creator>Forester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bingo!

In the OZ

&quot;Union ties &#039;basis for discrimination&#039;&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo!</p>
<p>In the OZ</p>
<p>&#8220;Union ties &#8216;basis for discrimination&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Beer Whisperer</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/11/21/a-cunning-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-647361</link>
		<dc:creator>The Beer Whisperer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 05:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Well then I guess I’ll have to shut up at work and keep my conservative opinions to myself. Oh wait…I already do (Vic public service). While everyone around me regards these sorts of comments as normal tea-break chit-chat: “I don’t know who I hate more…Tony Abbott or Gina Hancock” (verbatim quote).&quot;

Sounds like a prima facie case right there.  Care to be Exhibit A in the &quot;one rule for them, and another rule for everybody else&quot; hypothesis?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well then I guess I’ll have to shut up at work and keep my conservative opinions to myself. Oh wait…I already do (Vic public service). While everyone around me regards these sorts of comments as normal tea-break chit-chat: “I don’t know who I hate more…Tony Abbott or Gina Hancock” (verbatim quote).&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like a prima facie case right there.  Care to be Exhibit A in the &#8220;one rule for them, and another rule for everybody else&#8221; hypothesis?</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/11/21/a-cunning-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-647343</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 04:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Gab – I think this is more aimed at political appointments in the public service. When there’s a change of government, department heads are regularly fired and replaced with ones chosen by the new Minister, as the previous ones were selected by the last party, and there’s usually a degree of political affiliation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Political appointments are, well, political. Almost by definition the appointee must have some opinion or thinking in keeping with the Government. The appointee knows this before he takes up the job. If a rule exists to make their dismissal illegal then what is the point of winning Government? We may as well be in a dictatorship.
Labor. Worst Government ever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Gab – I think this is more aimed at political appointments in the public service. When there’s a change of government, department heads are regularly fired and replaced with ones chosen by the new Minister, as the previous ones were selected by the last party, and there’s usually a degree of political affiliation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Political appointments are, well, political. Almost by definition the appointee must have some opinion or thinking in keeping with the Government. The appointee knows this before he takes up the job. If a rule exists to make their dismissal illegal then what is the point of winning Government? We may as well be in a dictatorship.<br />
Labor. Worst Government ever.</p>
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		<title>By: DriftForge</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/11/21/a-cunning-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-647320</link>
		<dc:creator>DriftForge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 04:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m really [not] sorry, I can’t remove the rule whereby every housing development must be stopped in case a Sun Moth hatched because I’m ideologically opposed to your rule, and you can’t sack me or I’ll sue…
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Just one more law to change first when you&#039;re the government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m really [not] sorry, I can’t remove the rule whereby every housing development must be stopped in case a Sun Moth hatched because I’m ideologically opposed to your rule, and you can’t sack me or I’ll sue…
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<p>Just one more law to change first when you&#8217;re the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;These kind of changes to our laws are very thick salami slices – they must be feeling confident they are near the end of the sausage.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Surely we can just toss these slices away pronto (i.e. change the laws) when sensible adults come to power?  

How about a retrospective rescind of all Labor legislation?  Sounds good to me.

If not, then immediately employ in the PS a few additional Liberal-leaning photocopy assistants who can become mightily offended by leftist twaddle and sue.  Universities would be a classic workplace for such offense to be taken as the twaddle is so constant and loud.  Special offense particularly to be taken at anyone senior opening their Labor-leaning mouth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>These kind of changes to our laws are very thick salami slices – they must be feeling confident they are near the end of the sausage.</p></blockquote>
<p>Surely we can just toss these slices away pronto (i.e. change the laws) when sensible adults come to power?  </p>
<p>How about a retrospective rescind of all Labor legislation?  Sounds good to me.</p>
<p>If not, then immediately employ in the PS a few additional Liberal-leaning photocopy assistants who can become mightily offended by leftist twaddle and sue.  Universities would be a classic workplace for such offense to be taken as the twaddle is so constant and loud.  Special offense particularly to be taken at anyone senior opening their Labor-leaning mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: cuckoo</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/11/21/a-cunning-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-647284</link>
		<dc:creator>cuckoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well then I guess I&#039;ll have to shut up at work and keep my conservative opinions to myself.  Oh wait...I already do (Vic public service). While everyone around me regards these sorts of comments as normal tea-break chit-chat: &quot;I don&#039;t know who I hate more...Tony Abbott or Gina Hancock&quot; (verbatim quote).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well then I guess I&#8217;ll have to shut up at work and keep my conservative opinions to myself.  Oh wait&#8230;I already do (Vic public service). While everyone around me regards these sorts of comments as normal tea-break chit-chat: &#8220;I don&#8217;t know who I hate more&#8230;Tony Abbott or Gina Hancock&#8221; (verbatim quote).</p>
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		<title>By: ugh</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/11/21/a-cunning-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-647281</link>
		<dc:creator>ugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;* I again use the concept of “lie” here in the sense used by Cats, as reflected in their treatment of Gillard’s carbon tax statement, to mean any utterance that is or turns out to be incorrect, irrespective of whether the false aspects of the statement were intended.&quot;

Slow day for Gillard staffers Bragg?

Call it George for all I care - we&#039;re paying billions in taxes that we were promised would not be charged.  Play all the silly word games you want - Gillard is still gonna pay for deliberately breaking that promise at the next election.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;* I again use the concept of “lie” here in the sense used by Cats, as reflected in their treatment of Gillard’s carbon tax statement, to mean any utterance that is or turns out to be incorrect, irrespective of whether the false aspects of the statement were intended.&#8221;</p>
<p>Slow day for Gillard staffers Bragg?</p>
<p>Call it George for all I care &#8211; we&#8217;re paying billions in taxes that we were promised would not be charged.  Play all the silly word games you want &#8211; Gillard is still gonna pay for deliberately breaking that promise at the next election.</p>
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		<title>By: ugh</title>
		<link>http://catallaxyfiles.com/2012/11/21/a-cunning-plan/comment-page-2/#comment-647269</link>
		<dc:creator>ugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 02:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Bolt was not censored for talking about race.&quot;

Bolt was censored for causing offence to specific Aboriginal people.  Race was an integral part of the issue causing offence - ie Bolt&#039;s implication that people had identified as aboriginal in order to receive benefits/jobs etc

The only factual error related to ancestry - Bolt wrongly said one of the plaintiff&#039;s grandfather was aboriginal, when it was in fact their grandmother (been a while since I read it - it may have been vice-versa)

&quot;Repeating falsehoods over and over on the Cat does not make them any less false.&quot;

And repeating your spin over and over on the Cat doesn&#039;t make your point true either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bolt was not censored for talking about race.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bolt was censored for causing offence to specific Aboriginal people.  Race was an integral part of the issue causing offence &#8211; ie Bolt&#8217;s implication that people had identified as aboriginal in order to receive benefits/jobs etc</p>
<p>The only factual error related to ancestry &#8211; Bolt wrongly said one of the plaintiff&#8217;s grandfather was aboriginal, when it was in fact their grandmother (been a while since I read it &#8211; it may have been vice-versa)</p>
<p>&#8220;Repeating falsehoods over and over on the Cat does not make them any less false.&#8221;</p>
<p>And repeating your spin over and over on the Cat doesn&#8217;t make your point true either.</p>
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