Thursday Forum: November 22, 2012

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519 Responses to Thursday Forum: November 22, 2012

  1. DaveF

    Sorry mate, we wont have a reconciliation by music

  2. Greg P.

    Are you really Israeli?

    Remember your greatest traitors will come from within.

  3. Podsnap

    Quite the meltdown from Greg P.

    You said made a patently stupid statement -

    Anti-Zionists like to point out how much sway the Israel lobby has in the US, and they are right, but look how much it reigns in Israel too

    ie that the Israel lobby was strong in Israel as some evidence of the nefarious sway of the Joooos.

    It was brought to your attention in a polite manner – but even then you couldn’t see it.

    Then you start carrying on like a mad chook.

    You silly boy.

  4. Greg P.

    From ‘within’ i mean your religion/ethnic group.

    I’ve lived it myself.

  5. DaveF

    I’m not. And It’s odd you thought that.

    You called me shit for brains.

    I remember that.

  6. DaveF

    Was this your first drift into the Cat?

  7. Greg P.

    You called me shit for brains.

    I remember that.

    Got real enemies to worry about.

  8. DaveF

    Music doesn’t cut it. I have the albums. Just was let it Bleed.

  9. DaveF

    Got real enemies to worry about

    Our ‘engagement’ left a lot of people out of the chat. And I figure they were disappointed by that.

    Too much too and fro by 2 people makes others reluctant to comment.

  10. DaveF

    Wow is it possible I have personally argued out a troll?

  11. DaveF

    Yes I believe so.

    1.48am ESDST troll erased.

    I’m pleased, very pleased.

  12. DaveF

    He seems like an ok bloke though

  13. Blogstrop

    Really? What a load of crap this place has come to.

  14. Good morning, all. While I have Abba on the teev in preparation for an evening with Bjorn Again (assuming the venue allows 10yos in), I’ve been reading up.

    Did someone say, “de Gaulle?”

    Brings to mind this:

    During a November 27, 1967 press conference, Charles de Gaulle stated openly that French cooperation with the Arab world had become “the fundamental basis of our foreign policy.” By January 1969, the Second International Conference in Support of the Arab Peoples, held in Cairo, in its resolution 15, decided “to form special parliamentary groups, where they did not exist, and to use the parliamentary platform support of the Arab people and the Palestinian resistance.” Five years later in Paris, July 1974, the Parliamentary Association for Euro-Arab Cooperation was created, under the Euro-Arab Dialogue rubric.

    Bat Ye’or has highlighted this shared Euro-Arab political agenda. The first step was the construction of a common foreign policy. France was the driving force in this unification, which had already been envisaged by General de Gaulle’s inner circle and Arab politicians. The Arab states demanded from Europe access to Western science and technology, European political independence from the United States, European pressure on the United States to align with their Arab policy and demonization of Israel as a threat to world peace, as well as measures favorable to Arab immigration and dissemination of Islamic culture in Europe. This cooperation would also included recognition of the Palestinians as a distinct people and the PLO and its leader Arafat as their representative. Up to 1973 they had been known only as Arab refugees, even by other Arabs. The concept of a Palestinian “nation” simply did not exist.

    During the 1973 oil crisis, the Arab members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries announced that, due to the ongoing Yom Kippur War between Israel and its Arab neighbors Egypt and Syria, OPEC would no longer ship petroleum to Western nations that supported Israel. The sudden increase in oil prices was had lasting effects. Not only did it create a strong influx of petrodollars to countries such as Saudi Arabia, which permitted the Saudis to fund a worldwide Islamic resurgence, but it also had an impact in the West, especially in Europe.

    However, Arab leaders had to sell their oil. Their people are very dependent on European economic and technological aid. The Americans made this point during the oil embargo in 1973. According to Bat Ye’or, although the oil factor certainly helped cement the Euro-Arab Dialogue, it was primarily a pretext to cover up a policy that emerged in France before that crisis occurred. The policy, conceived in the 1960s, had strong antecedents in the French 19th-century dream of governing an Arab empire.

    This political agenda has been reinforced by the deliberate cultural transformation of Europe. Euro-Arab Dialogue Symposia conducted in Venice (1977) and Hamburg (1983) included recommendations that have been successfully implemented. These recommendations were accompanied by a deliberate, privileged influx of Arab and other Muslim immigrants into Europe in enormous numbers.

    The recommendations included:

    1. Coordination of the efforts made by the Arab countries to spread the Arabic language and culture in Europe,
    2. Creation of joint Euro-Arab Cultural Centers in European capitals,
    3. The necessity of supplying European institutions and universities with Arab teachers specialized in teaching Arabic to Europeans,
    4. The necessity of cooperation between European and Arab specialists in order to present a positive picture of Arab-Islamic civilization and contemporary Arab issues to the educated public in Europe.

    These agreements could not be set forth in written documents and treaties due to their politically sensitive and fundamentally undemocratic nature. The European leaders thus carefully chose to call their ideas “dialogue.” All meetings, committees and working groups included representatives from European Community nations and the European Council along with members from Arab countries and the Arab League. Proceedings and decisions took place in closed sessions. No official minutes were recorded.

    The Euro-Arab Dialogue (EAD) is a political, economic and cultural institution designed to ensure perfect cohesion between Europeans and Arabs. Its structure was set up at conferences in Copenhagen (15 December 1973), and Paris (31 July 1974). The principal agent of this policy is the European Parliamentary Association for Euro-Arab Cooperation, founded in 1974. The other principal organs of The Dialogue are the MEDEA Institute and the European Institute of Research on Mediterranean and Euro-Arab Cooperation, created in 1995 with the backing of the European Commission.

  15. And speaking of French Algerians… I think everyone should get to know the work of Pierre Rehov.

    It’s going to be 34c here in Melbourne, so I’ll be re-potting and doing the washing. Hooray, summer’s here for a day!

  16. johanna

    Anecdotes about individual politicans’ cooking ability mean nothing about their fitness to govern. But, I did happen to see the Kitchen Cabinet episode with Nigel Scullion, Country/Liberal/National Senator for the NT since 2001 (he is a CLP member in the NT but sits with the Nats in the Senate).

    Scullion is a real person and an interesting guy, having had several occupations including pro fisherman and the military before getting into politics. And, he is an absolutely superb cook. He could easily make a living from it. I would travel to eat his food.

    How are those stereotypes going, Stevie?

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