Thursday Forum: November 22, 2012 at Catallaxy Files

Thursday Forum: November 22, 2012

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Bitchin’

John Mc

22 Nov 12 at 11:26 pm
Damn

Cato the Elder

22 Nov 12 at 11:28 pm
I see from the sidebar that at best I can be third!

Cold-Hands

22 Nov 12 at 11:34 pm
I wanted to be twoth but now I’m forth.

Mick Gold Coast QLD

22 Nov 12 at 11:36 pm
I was a bit peeved when I was the last on the last thread so I’ll repeat it here.

Gee Scapula.

Read some Oxfam

Absolutely corrupted lobby group. In their report did they mention the Hamas ‘winners’ of the election were as honest as, I dunno, a PLO team doing “free and fair”?

After winning they almost immediately started supporting ‘activists’ to enter Israel for destruction.

So the border was closed.

The story is not as simple as this but as a guy who thinks Israel needs to give a bit more I think this one is close to black and white.

Rocketing schools moves my judgement meter mate.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 11:37 pm
The last shall be first and the first shall be last.

I’ll settle for somewhere in the middle.

Splatacrobat

22 Nov 12 at 11:37 pm
Sorry to drop a heavy tone so early in the thread…

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 11:38 pm
Lulz

Jc, that is an honest answer. There is no evidence. There are statements by an admitted fraudster, which contradict the PM. That’s not credible evidence. There are also statements by Styant-Brown who didn’t agree with the assesment of the reasons for Gillards departure from S&G. There is nothing new there.

So there is no evidence of any wrongdoing.

This is a lie because she is at least guilty of a misdemeanor which has run past the statute of limitations.

.

22 Nov 12 at 11:43 pm
Eddie had Mark Seymour on stage playing “Throw your arms around me”. I reckon Eddie does it better.

JC yes I think you are right. Seymour’s voice sounded a little out of whack.

Splatacrobat

22 Nov 12 at 11:46 pm
The criminal conspiracy swirling around Gillard from her job immediately before she entered politics is a joy to behold but it’s not going to get her out of office.

She’s not going anywhere, not even if the entire ALP line up behind her and attempt to push her out the door.

She’s not budging, as outside of politics…what does she have?

Tim and his shed that she’s not allowed to enter?

twostix

22 Nov 12 at 11:47 pm
So there is no evidence of any wrongdoing

Not so. There may not be enough for a conviction; but there’s evidence of wrongdoing, for sure.

Cato the Elder

22 Nov 12 at 11:47 pm
Well said DaveF

Mk50 of Brisbane

22 Nov 12 at 11:49 pm
This is a lie because she is at least guilty of a misdemeanor which has run past the statute of limitations.

As shown in the previous fred, the statute of Limitations cabn be waived by an Attorney General in the Public Interest. The documentary evidence proves that the Red Dalek has misled her former employers, the Australian people and Parliament. She will have to answer to this next Question Time.

Cold-Hands

22 Nov 12 at 11:50 pm
She’s not going anywhere, not even if the entire ALP line up behind her and attempt to push her out the door.

She’s not budging,

She needs Bill Shorten.

She apparently needed Bob Carr. Devalued now from the ICAC enquiries.

I have no insight into how mateship/favour networks work, but I suspect this one is deciding whether to eat their own.

Maybe she IS being pushed out the door.

With an Ambassadorship in London.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 11:55 pm
Not London. They will out of office.

Union Super Fund Directorships. $150k for ech. Give her 6 after the usual 5 year ‘untouchable’ factor. She’ll be fine.

DaveF

22 Nov 12 at 11:58 pm
Does Merthyr Tydfil have an Aussie consulate?

.

22 Nov 12 at 11:59 pm
Maybe she IS being pushed out the door. With an Ambassadorship in London.

And a permanent spot as blogger on jezebel.com

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 12:00 am
Damn. I can’t think of any tales of suburban whimsy.

Infidel tiger

23 Nov 12 at 12:01 am
She could be the Wales one but I could also be that guy – Grand dad.

Nah she’d never play the ethnic card.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 12:03 am
Mc Clelland is circling the big red snapper like the fat fucking white shark he is.

No shit if they put him up, arsehole Gillard and Swan and gaol some union bosses and really, really flog this RC they could pull it off and win in 2013.

.

23 Nov 12 at 12:03 am
Gab

And a permanent spot as blogger on jezebel.com

That is so brutal.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 12:04 am
Breaking in The Australian: Labor MP now implicated in Slushgate.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 12:07 am
Maybe she IS being pushed out the door.

With an Ambassadorship in London.

Nah, numbers are too tight for her to be offered an overseas sinecure. If she leaves Parliament, Lalor would be vacant until a by-election could be held, robbing Labor of a vote and leaving it vulnerable to a possible vote of no confidence.

Cold-Hands

23 Nov 12 at 12:09 am
Breaking in The Australian: Labor MP now implicated in Slushgate.

Oh shit… Hedley Thomas has put his name to it too.

JC

23 Nov 12 at 12:10 am
C.L., don’t leave us hanging

Labor MP Chris Hayes drawn into AWU controversy
BY: HEDLEY THOMAS AND PIA AKERMAN From: The Australian November 23, 2012 12:00AM
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LABOR MP Chris Hayes has been drawn into the Australian Workers Union controversy by allegations made by disgraced AWU boss Bruce Wilson that as a union official in the 1990s he was involved in talks with a major Australian company that later put “donations” into a slush fund.

The Labor member for Fowler in western Sydney yesterday declined to comment on allegations, which are contained in the diary of Ian Cambridge, the Australian Workers Union joint national secretary who in the 90s was trying to root out corruption in the union.

Put. Them. All. In. Gaol.

.

23 Nov 12 at 12:11 am
Ian Cambridge again.

You’d think a Judge might me put on leave without pay with all this chatter around.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 12:11 am
Damn. I can’t think of any tales of suburban whimsy.

How about the demise of home deliverers like the milkman, baker, and green grocer.

We had a green grocer who was a WW2 dispatch rider in PNG. He made a good living chatting to the mum’s in the street while giving them a weeks load of fruit and veg.
I guess home delivery days were numbered when more mothers went off to work and were not home to give or receive their supplies.

Splatacrobat

23 Nov 12 at 12:12 am
me = be

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 12:14 am
We had a green grocer who was a WW2 dispatch rider in PNG. He made a good living chatting to the mum’s in the street while giving them a weeks load of fruit and veg.

That’s one of the filthiest euphemisms I’ve ever read. Bravo!

Infidel tiger

23 Nov 12 at 12:19 am
declined to comment on allegations

Next is ‘no recollection’ until paperwork, then..well lets watch Bill Shorten.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 12:21 am
heehee!

entropy

23 Nov 12 at 12:25 am
Top this:

Fremantle Herald November 10th.

“According to a recent waste audit undertaken by Fremantle council, single use coffee pods could be the next Eco-headache facing western society, as they are cumbersome to recycle.”

What a world we live in.

Infidel tiger

23 Nov 12 at 12:25 am
That was the front page story.

Infidel tiger

23 Nov 12 at 12:26 am
One senior Labor MP said there was a view that the Prime Minister had to answer some of the questions about the issue in question time next week.

“There is growing concern — keeping your head down and saying nothing is not going to work,” the MP, who is a critic of the Prime Minister, said.

The MP said Ms Gillard already had a problem with the electorate and “hiding behind her press conference” was not going to work.

Some MPs were talking about the need to have an honest broker or party elder discuss the issue with Ms Gillard to determine if it represented a problem for the Australian Labor Party.

Parliament was the best place to make a statement because it involved a higher obligation not to mislead.

Another MP said the issue was not going away and that some MPs were angry about the creation of union slush funds.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/investigations/wa-cops-may-reopen-union-case/story-fng5kxvh-1226522348725

Next week is going to be sensational during Question Time – that’s if gillard turns up.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 12:27 am
As shown in the previous fred, the statute of Limitations cabn be waived by an Attorney General in the Public Interest.

Not generally true. It is sometimes sort of true in some limited cases under specific legislation where they say something like “a prosecution shall not be brought after 1 year, except with the consent of the A/G”.

But not generally true. The limitation period is for the benefit of the accused, why would you let the A/G waive it?

In general terms under there is a 1 year limit for “simple offences” and no limit for more serious offences.

There’s a useful summary of the different State and Federal limitation periods here

Scroll down for “Criminal proceedings”

Cato the Elder

23 Nov 12 at 12:28 am
Some MPs were talking about the need to have an honest broker or party elder discuss the issue with Ms Gillard to determine if it represented a problem for the Australian Labor Party.

Boom.

.

23 Nov 12 at 12:30 am
cumbersome to recycle?

Unlike car engines? tyres? houses? 50 storey buildings?

single use coffee pods.

cumbersome indeed.

Fremantle Council, huh.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 12:31 am
Maybe she IS being pushed out the door.

Under a bus would be more traditional, surely?

Cato the Elder

23 Nov 12 at 12:34 am
If they rolled her there would be room for the slapper to sit next to (or in between preferably) shagger and mussel man on the cross bench. That way Labor could hang onto her vote and pretend to investigate.

The cross bench really would be like the island of Dr Moreau. Look at these people

Splatacrobat

23 Nov 12 at 12:34 am
From the Cambridge diaries and revelations about Blewitt from Wilson:

“Wilson then went on to make astounding revelations about the nature of the construction industry and some of the things that occurred such as the requirement to have a barbeque and beer put on at the return to work after any stoppage. He also then revealed that he and others such as Ralph Blewitt had been involved in the practice of damaging plant and equipment, such as setting fire to backhoes or other earthmoving equipment, or getting a battery-operated drill and drilling out tyres, essentially rendering the tyres useless.”

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 12:34 am
cumbersome to recycle?

Gotta recycle that aluminiumumumumum, Dave.

‘cos Gaia said so, so there

Cato the Elder

23 Nov 12 at 12:35 am
“hiding behind her press conference” was not going to work.

Yes, she really did that that for months.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 12:35 am
One senior Labor MP said there was a view that the Prime Minister had to answer some of the questions about the issue in question time next week.

That’s the best line…Julia you have some questions to answer.

Heh, It’s karmic that her own words are coming back to haunt her.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 12:37 am
Cato I read that link. It’s not relevant. It’s all about Corporate law, not individuals under criminal law.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 12:41 am
And I think the speaker is fairly fair Gab. Might be a good good time to tune in to parliament.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 12:45 am
I disagree, DaveF. She protects gillard like she was a dying koala.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 12:47 am
Not so, read on.

Cato the Elder

23 Nov 12 at 12:49 am
Anna Burke, Speaker and Member for Chisholm is another Emily’s List/Union apparatchik. Expecting her to be unbiased is like expecting the Sun to rise in the West, and her behaviour in the Speaker’s Chair bears this out.

Cold-Hands

23 Nov 12 at 12:51 am
Western Australia

Under section 51 of the Justices Act 1902 (WA) unless some other time is stipulated, the time limit for laying a complaint in the case of a simple offence[856] is 12 months after the alleged offence. See also section 574(1) of the Criminal Code (WA).

No limit for serious offences.

Cato the Elder

23 Nov 12 at 12:51 am
WTF is a coffee pod?

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 12:52 am
“And I think the speaker is fairly fair Gab.”

If you accept her eye-rolling dismissal of the Opposition all the time, and her efforts as chief facilitator for the gummint’s handbag brigade – then she’s fair.

The stupid cow is a dead set shocker DaveF, an overgrown teenage girl. Get on the tele, watch her in action and then come back and tell me she’s fair!

Mick Gold Coast QLD

23 Nov 12 at 12:54 am
He also then revealed that he and others such as Ralph Blewitt had been involved in the practice of damaging plant and equipment, such as setting fire to backhoes or other earthmoving equipment, or getting a battery-operated drill and drilling out tyres, essentially rendering the tyres useless.

Wow.

Gillard was sleeping with a terrorist?

What did she know about this and when did she know it?

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 12:55 am
Ah.

Gab maybe, but she isn’t as awful as some, mybe I cut her some slack on the fraud questions because it’s hard in parliament to do that.

Cato: mate I read all the criminal bit and a fair bit of the other.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 12:55 am
These things, CL, you instant coffee drinker.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 12:56 am
Oh ok I’ll withdraw the Speaker appraisal.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 12:57 am
Interesting: the WA fraud squad wants to speak to Ralph Blewitt.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 1:00 am
You need to be a poet to be a cricket writer, eh.

Clarke played in all modes and moods

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 1:00 am
This is a coffee pod, Gab.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 1:01 am
Blewitt committed no crimes in VIC. All WA

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 1:02 am
According to Wilson, he and Blewitt were also into industrial sabotage.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 1:05 am
And fraud for more than $10K is not a simple offence, so no statute of limitations to worry about.

CRIMINAL CODE ACT COMPILATION ACT 1913
409. Fraud
(1) Any person who, with intent to defraud, by deceit or any fraudulent means —
(a) obtains property from any person; or
(b) induces any person to deliver property to another person; or
(c ) gains a benefit, pecuniary or otherwise, for any person; or
(d) causes a detriment, pecuniary or otherwise, to any person; or
(e) induces any person to do any act that the person is lawfully entitled to abstain from doing; or
(f) induces any person to abstain from doing any act that the person is lawfully entitled to do,
is guilty of a crime and is liable —
(g) if the person deceived is of or over the age of 60 years, to imprisonment for 10 years; or
(h) in any other case, to imprisonment for 7 years.
Alternative offence: s. 378, 414 or 428.
Summary conviction penalty (subject to subsection (2)):
(a) in a case to which paragraph (g) applies: imprisonment for 3 years and a fine of $36 000; or
(b) in a case to which paragraph (h) applies: imprisonment for 2 years and a fine of $24 000.

(2) If the value of —
(a) property obtained or delivered; or
(b) a benefit gained or a detriment caused;
is more than $10 000 the charge is not to be dealt with summarily.

(3) It is immaterial that the accused person intended to give value for the property obtained or delivered, or the benefit gained, or the detriment caused.

Cato the Elder

23 Nov 12 at 1:08 am
These things, CL, you instant coffee drinker.

No need to get nasty with those sort of gross insults.

This is a coffee pod, Gab.

Erghh, on the other hand, an astute judge of character, Gab!

entropy

23 Nov 12 at 1:09 am
That’s just sad, CL. Stop it.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 1:09 am
According to Wilson, he and Blewitt were also into industrial sabotage.

What did Gillard and Shorten know about this and when did they know it?

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 1:10 am
I think it’s time we considered Tony Abbott’s role in all this.

And with that cheery thought, I’m back to work.

Cato the Elder

23 Nov 12 at 1:12 am
Yup. Not unlikely they were union vandals.

They were standover men.

Urban Dictionary Standover man: Australian Workers Union representitive.

And the Moll?

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 1:13 am
Not content with encircling China, the US now wants to encircle Russia:

Russia says its opposes sending Nato Patriot missiles to help Turkey defend its border with Syria

Reuters quotes foreign minister spokesman Alexander Lukashevich as saying: “This would not foster stability in the region.”

Nato is meeting today to consider Turkey’s request.

The US and other European members have expressed backing for the request.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 1:13 am
Oh look over there: A unicorn!

Cato the Elder

23 Nov 12 at 1:14 am
I’l check it Cato

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 1:16 am
ICAC test

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 1:16 am
Nescafe powered the Allies in World War II.

And so it is today: I power along happily – a hulking beefcake of Nescafe power – thinking nonchalantly dismissive thoughts of Gab.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 1:17 am
“According to a recent waste audit undertaken by Fremantle council, single use coffee pods could be the next Eco-headache facing western society, as they are cumbersome to recycle.”

You mean the coffee pods that go into the Department of Climate Change’s new multi-thousand dollar coffee machines? Those coffee pods?

LOL fucking inner-city “green” hypocrites. Buy a percolator and learn how to do it right, fuckheads.

perturbed

23 Nov 12 at 1:18 am
You think of me, CL? I’m chuffed

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 1:18 am
Actually, I like this one

170. False information to officials etc.

(1) Any person who, being required under a written law to give information, whether orally or in writing, to another person, knowingly gives information to the other person that is false in a material particular is guilty of a crime and is liable to imprisonment for 3 years.

Summary conviction penalty: imprisonment for 18 months and a fine of $18 000.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply if the person is required to give the information on oath or in a statutory declaration.

Yes, I know, I said I was going back to work.

Cato the Elder

23 Nov 12 at 1:21 am
Horatio Nelson Rum Corps corrupt corruption test

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 1:21 am
I predict that Gillard will change tactics soon and revivify the Aussie flood flag spirit. She’ll weep – actually or virtually – about that man Wilson and what he did to her life, career, well-being and self-esteem. She’ll play the victim eventually. Watch.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 1:24 am
This lady’s not for weeping.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 1:26 am
For some reason the Cat spaminator won’t allow me to post what Brandis said on Tuesday in the Senate regarding Bob Carr.

It’s here, especially the last three paragraphs. He lets rips and then ends with:

It is all very well for Senator Bob Carr to flounce into the Senate and give us pious lectures about international relations. The real truth is that when Senator Bob Carr was the Premier of New South Wales he, at best, Horatio Nelson like, put the telescope up to his blind eye and said: ‘Corruption, corruption? I don’t see any corruption. Even though I’m the Premier, even though these are my ministers, even though this is happening on my watch, even though I have ministerial responsibility, I don’t see any corruption.’ Senator Bob Carr has a lot to answer for, as every single day’s evidence in the ICAC hearing in Sydney reveals.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 1:27 am
Yes, CL, in a pre-emptive strike the AbbottAbbottAbbott has already made clear he won’t be playing the victim as PM.

“Never, ever, will I attempt to say that as a man I have been the victim of powerful forces beyond my control and how dare any prime minister of Australia play the victim card.”

entropy

23 Nov 12 at 1:32 am
Great point by Brandis.

What did Carr know and when did he know it?

We must have the most incurious press corps in the world.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 1:32 am
Sorry to focus on this cricket article but what is this?

a barging shot, like a Mark Latham handshake, but more subtle.

Seriously?

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 1:34 am
More corpse than corps.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 1:38 am
The CPG just haven’t received the press release from the ALP on the matter yet, and Oakes has gone to bed. So they don’t know what they should be saying. It must be quite scary for them.

entropy

23 Nov 12 at 1:45 am
This lady’s not for weeping

Didn’t the Red Dalek cry in her address to congress, weeping crocodile tears reminiscing over the moon landing?

Cold-Hands

23 Nov 12 at 2:01 am
Can anyone feel the floodgates about to open? They’ve gone beyond incompetent, this government. They are now in the realms of the venal.

tbh

23 Nov 12 at 2:01 am
Only now, tbh? In my considered opinion this feral government is out and out corrupt. Has been from the moment Gillard cobbled together her rainbow coalition.

CC

23 Nov 12 at 2:14 am
I am thinking this current global model coming out of the UN that there should be no distinction between the public and private sectors just turns these politicians and bureaucrats and their Business Cronies into full-fledged piggies at our expense.

We need to remind our taxpayer paid Overlords about Thomas Jefferson’s quote about men not being born with saddles on their backs while others are not born with spurs to ride them.

I know Australians do not celebrate Thanksgiving Day so Happy Black Friday!!

Off to make a Jalapeno Cornbread Pudding to celebrate not quite being Serfs yet.

But that is the gameplan and we do need to be diligent so we can pick up the common patterns in every country where they emerge.

Robin

23 Nov 12 at 2:19 am
Sinc, asked you a question in the old Fred.

Abu Chowdah

23 Nov 12 at 2:42 am
I think weeping is not enough. Gillard will have to go nuclear and deploy the wedding option.

entropy

23 Nov 12 at 2:47 am
Gillard will have to go nuclear and deploy the wedding option.

Or the pregnancy/miscarriage option (two cards up the one sleeve). Or the ditching Tim and suddenly realising she’s lesbian option. All of which will allow the fawning Leftist media to suck her metaphorical wang for a little while and give her another minority-status card to throw in Abbott’s face whenever he tries to nail her.

From the way the Left media and her enablers behave, you’d think Abbott had spent all his time openly calling her an incompetent, lying slut. It’s a measure of the man’s respect for women that he hasn’t actually done so, because from what we’ve seen in the papers and on blogs, all three descriptors could be demonstrated to an impartial court to be at least partially true.

perturbed

23 Nov 12 at 3:14 am
Interesting re-interpretation of the Milgram\Zimbardo jazz.

The Myth of Blind Conformity

Dead Soul

23 Nov 12 at 4:49 am
I think weeping is not enough. Gillard will have to go nuclear and deploy the wedding option.

That would be McTernan’s last move. Meanwhile, Crapula is bawling uncontrollably now. It’s almost over. Back to the ghetto. And we’ll have our credit card back, thanks.

Tom

23 Nov 12 at 5:05 am
The rather early announcement of a solution to the Murray-Darling issue, again not taking effect for many years, brings back to mind thenconcerted efforts of Kevin Rudd and all the then Labor premiers to stifle the Howard government initiative on this very topic in 2007.
During the lead up to the 2007 election, there was a long list of spoiling tactics used, including the union funded demonisation of the IR system, a system which enhanced productivity.

Blogstrop

23 Nov 12 at 6:37 am
Read some Oxfam, mk50, and curb your enthusiasm:

We cannot return to business as usual. For five years, Gaza has been subject to a crippling blockade, which has restricted what it can import and export and destroyed its economy. Since the blockade started, a third of Gaza’s businesses have closed and 80% of its population now needs aid to get by.

The international community needs to be courageous. Only by lifting the blockade, do we have any chance of ending the incessant cycle of violence that has devastated millions of lives. The international community’s two-state solution will be impossible to achieve while the blockade continues and Palestinians remain divided between Gaza and the West Bank.

From the old fred.

A few years back I was at yet another Gaza rally. I was there on my own, and in this case the usual suspects had taken over outside the front of the State Library. There was a fellow on the back of a ute who was apparently a doctor from a hospital in Gaza, and there was ~~much wailing and gnashi~~… (sorry, got a bit carried away there).. the usual carry-on about how terrible the Israelis are.

Nobody mentioned the number of palestinians who seek medical treatment in Israel, or the lovely palestinian lass who after treatment in an Israeli hospital returned there to try and blow it and herself up.

Anyway, there was someone hawking Free Palestine tshirts, so I bought one. Sure $20 is a bit rich, but I asked where the money was going to.

Via Oxfam in Belgium, the money would find its way to the hospital in Gaza.

Riiiiight.

I’m also in the market for a large, coat-hangy bridge. Anyone got one?

Needless to say, Oxfam is off the list of the dwindling group of charities that I support.

(Those two who I recommend without reservation being Legacy and the Barnabus Fund.

nilk

23 Nov 12 at 7:15 am
nilk @ 0715.

Any Charity that has a connection in any way with a past politician especially Malcolm Fraser is off my radar.

Mike of Marion

23 Nov 12 at 7:59 am
deploy the wedding option.

Too much of a short term solution.
How about a revelation that the handbag has been a messin’ where he shouldn’t.
That way she can be portrayed as a big hearted soul, once again betrayed by some bastard.
Any mention of Wilson could forever be denounced as a cruel and heartless attack on one who’s loved not wisely, but too well.

lotocoti

23 Nov 12 at 7:59 am
Sinc, asked you a question in the old Fred.

Can’t find it. You had a comment in the spaminator that I fished out. That it?

Sinclair Davidson

23 Nov 12 at 8:17 am
There doesn’t have to be a wedding, just the well-timed announcement of The Engagement, a lovely Women’s Weekly spread and then the election announcement.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 8:18 am
Off to make a Jalapeno Cornbread Pudding

What is the recipie?

Carpe Jugulum

23 Nov 12 at 8:32 am
Sunrise’s treatment of the issue of Gillard and the mortgage finance this morning was appalling.

They gave viewers the clear impression that the provision of solicitors finance to Wilson is actually something showing a connection to the use of slush funds.

It has no connection at all with the use of the slush fund money.

If Gillard had been up to her eyeballs in arranging that finance – it says nothing whatsoever about her knowledge of the source of the other money.

And if I heard the 7 am bulletin right, they said last night’s 7.30 story alleged that she had knowledge of the use of the slush fund. Which is completely wrong.

If I heard it right Gillard would be rightly furious about it.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 8:51 am
a lovely Women’s Weekly spread and then the election announcement.

Including a line up of her bridesmaids

and

Matron of dishonour

Page Boy

Marriage Celebrant He is an ordained Priest is he not?

Wedding singer

A room to contain pesky journalists and jilted lovers from spoiling the special day.

Splatacrobat

23 Nov 12 at 8:52 am
Brandis yesterday in the Senate doing a fine job detailing the scandals in the Labor government. It reads like a Days of Our Lives script. And then the motion:

If the Prime Minister thinks that, by continuing with her stonewalling denials, she can maintain the fiction that there are no more questions to be answered by her about this matter, this scandal, then she is kidding herself. What she ought to do is what Mr Craig Thomson did and make a statement to the House of Representatives next week, fully and truthfully explaining her role in these events.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 8:56 am
dot (last night)

This is a lie because she is at least guilty of a misdemeanor which has run past the statute of limitations.

which misdemeanor? If it is an indictable offence in WA there is no time limit.

SteveC

23 Nov 12 at 9:03 am
MORE than 150,000 federal public servants will get greater access to domestic and family violence leave, as government agencies are told to offer more leave and support to victims.

Econocrat

23 Nov 12 at 9:09 am
The Arab Spring Democracy in Egypt.

Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.

Septimus

23 Nov 12 at 9:14 am
Just read mk50′s spray from last night about the “racist, anti-semitic filth” from scapula. Well I don’t know about scapula’s racism (though Jewish is not a “race”, Israelis are Arabs after all, so not sure what word you are really looking for) but muslim arab intolerant certainly would appear to be relevant to mk50.
Various terms for Arabs in Gaza from Mk50:
‘palestine’, to see if those barbarian scum
they are simply savages.
They are barbarian savages
arab muslims are kinda low on the ‘civilised people’ table,
barbarians don’t do research

so it was funny to see Mk50 close off with
happy monkey-spanking, you foul little two-inch racist.

Perhaps one too many sherbets for Mk50 lat night?

SteveC

23 Nov 12 at 9:17 am
There doesn’t have to be a wedding, just the well-timed announcement of The Engagement, a lovely Women’s Weekly spread and then the election announcement.

Gab
23 Nov 12 at 8:18 am

With a bit of luck she might choose* to elope, hopefully for a long honeymoon in Siberia**

* I doubt Tim would have a choice, any choice whatsoeva
**alhough that does have the negative of Wayne Swan running the country, although on the other hand someone else would be in charge of Treasury.

entropy

23 Nov 12 at 9:19 am
From Septimus’ link:

Mr Morsi has decreed that all decisions he has made since coming into office, and all decisions he will make until a new constitution is passed, will not be subject to appeal or review by any court.

Well! Thank heavens they turfed out the previous dictator.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 9:21 am
Oh look they have turned Rugby League into a beta male game. Told you it would happen. CL and MK50 must be livid pink at this development because they like all anachronistic alpha males think purposefully inflicting brain damage is the manly thing to do.

Dead Soul

23 Nov 12 at 9:27 am
From Nilk’s comments, which are interesting.

Our site racist and anti-semite said:

We cannot return to business as usual. For five years, Gaza has been subject to a crippling blockade, which has restricted what it can import and export and destroyed its economy. Since the blockade started, a third of Gaza’s businesses have closed and 80% of its population now needs aid to get by.

Essentially thisd entire paragraph from the Oxfam terrorist-enablers is a bald-faced lie. The Jewish part of Gaza had a functioning economy in 2005, the pallies being as usual mostly aid dependent and why not? if people will simply ship in free everything, it neatly excises any possibility of self-help. “What farmer can compete with free grain?”

Oxfam is blaming the aid dependency they helped cause on the Israelis.

There is, of course, no blockade. There is an interdiction, to prevent weapons getting in, and terrorist murder-squads getting out.

Use of the term blockade proves that Oxfam regards Gaza as an independent nation. After all, only nations can actually be blockaded!

The international community needs to be courageous. Only by lifting the blockade, do we have any chance of ending the incessant cycle of violence that has devastated millions of lives. The international community’s two-state solution will be impossible to achieve while the blockade continues and Palestinians remain divided between Gaza and the West Bank.

An emotional appeal which is at its core a strongly expressed desire to slaughter Jews. How removing an interdiction designed to prevent weapons flows to the paleosimian wahabist, salafist and mahdiviat terrorists mingled through the pallies in Gaza is supposed to ‘stop violence’ is not explained. Mostly because it cannot be. The core assumption is that the efforts to deny them weapons is causing the violence. This is risible – the cause of the violence is writen very formally into the Hamas charter. They do not accept that Israel has a right to exist, and do not accept that any person of the Jewish faith has a right to be alive.

And that is, of course, why Oxfam is a terrorist-enabler. They cannot be conducting the activities they do without agreeing in whole or in part with the Hamas charter.

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 9:30 am
Google ‘Tony Abbott’ on YouTube, this is what you get.

manalive

23 Nov 12 at 9:43 am
It’s now safe to say that Gillard knew that the fake association she created was providing funds for the purchase of a house in the name of an individual.

I don’t see how she gets out of that now. She created it and then it provided funds. No explanation necessary. She’s gone.

Tiny Dancer

23 Nov 12 at 9:45 am
SOB:
For Gillard to say she knew nothing of the loan to “Blewitt” is beyond belief. Apart from the fact that her writing is all over the conveyancing file and the POA which she “witnessed” who else in Slater and Gordon would have made the arrangements?

Gillard told the partners at the exit interview that Blewitt was a “property investor” and a man of means. The only evidence on the file of his capacity to service the loan was a statement from the AWU WA Branch auditor of his salary details. There was no statement about his own mortgage liabilities in Perth. Gillard knew that the loan would be serviced by Wilson and the use of the POA on the mortgage attests to that.

How did she know that Wilson could service the loan? His salary with the AWU was the same as Blewitt – Branch Secretary and he had a wife and 2 children to support in Perth. Where was the money coming from?

There was the living away from home allowance as he was “renting”. This was another fraud on the AWU as the house was actually his. The other source was the cash in the slush fund. Gillard had to be satisfied that the loan could actually be serviced because of her position in Slater and Gordon. Default of a loan she arranged for her “client” would not have been a good look.

So Gillard had to know that there was at least one fraud being perpetrated against the AWU who was her client and she said nothing but actually facilitated it. No wonder she is denying knowledge of the loan. She has a raft of questions to answer.

Amortiser

23 Nov 12 at 9:51 am
though Jewish is not a “race”

The nazis claimed that Jews are a race, as would most fucking arabs.

Have you seen any recent caricatures of Jews that are disseminated in the arab world?

Straight out of the pages of der sturmer.

Rabz

23 Nov 12 at 9:53 am
It’s now safe to say that Gillard knew that the fake association she created was providing funds for the purchase of a house in the name of an individual.

You are 100% wrong and an idiot.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 10:04 am
Amortiser is working on 99.999% supposition, and the other .001% is wrong anyway.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 10:09 am
SOB:
For Gillard to say she knew nothing of the loan to “Blewitt” is beyond belief.

gillard on radio this morning.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 10:11 am
Hey Rabz, you can still get reprints of Der Sturmer in many a souk. It’s often on sale next to the second best selling book in the arab world – Mein Kampf.

No, I am not joking, wish I was. Been there, seen that.

Re Gilalrd: ah, the sound of chickens coming home to roost….

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 10:13 am
Not chooks MK, emus.

Pickles

23 Nov 12 at 10:15 am
Israelis are Arabs after all

WTF?

Cold-Hands

23 Nov 12 at 10:18 am
“There is, of course, no blockade. There is an interdiction, to prevent weapons getting in, and terrorist murder-squads getting out.”

False dichotomy. Furthermore, as an interdiction it has always been undermined by the tunnels, and today’s Egypt is going to look the other way even more, if not publicly ease border controls.

In good news, Iron Dome worked very well, and will be expanded.

Jarrah

23 Nov 12 at 10:22 am
Jon Faine still defending the Red Dalek and demonstrates a complete absence of ethics: “lawyers represent dodgy clients all the time”. No acknowledgement of her conflict of interest. Contemptible.

Cold-Hands

23 Nov 12 at 10:26 am
Steve of Brisvegas

Cast your mind back to 2007.

Everyone’s ‘Old Mate’ Kochie is completely in the tank for Kevin Rudd – Sunrise practically had Ruddie catapulted into the parliamentary leadership singlehanded ( if a TV show can be so described ).

If you are worried about Julia’s future, you might stop worrying about the folk facing her on the Opposition benches – you know where they stand.

If I were you, you might spend more time peering over Julia’s shoulder at all the faces staring at her back.

Myrrdin Seren

23 Nov 12 at 10:36 am
Opening ‘Religion of Peace’ highlight for today:

A Taliban suicide bomber has struck a Shia Muslim procession near Pakistan’s capital, killing 23 people in the latest in a series of bombings targeting the sect during its holiest month of the year.

At least 62 people were wounded by the blast, including six police officers. Eight of the dead and wounded were children

Why ?

The Pakistani Taliban spokesman… said the group was responsible for the attacks in Rawalpindi and Karachi. “We have a war of belief with Shiites,” Ahsan said. “They are blasphemers. We will continue attacking them.”

And for how long ?

The Sunni-Shia schism over the true heir to Islam’s Prophet Muhammad dates to the 7th century.

No short memories there.

Myrrdin Seren

23 Nov 12 at 10:41 am
Steve, don’t worry. There are plenty of other fish in the sea. I know you have invested plenty in Joolia emotionally – possibly the bulk of what remains of your self-esteem – but there will be another to take her place. Another partisan shrew from the Emily’s Lister ranks will step into the breach with a winning smile, a lifetime of affirmative-action non-achievements and the imprimatur of the faceless men. Winsome Nicki Roxon, for example; or the plodding, earnest blandness of Tanya, maybe. I know it would be tough to see Joolia go down – particularly coming so soon after your psephological triumph with Barry, which ever-so-briefly endowed your copy-and-pasting work on the Cat with a skerrick of chipper over-confidence. It was….quite touching, in a way; and I don’t mean in the Milton Orkopoulous sense. But you aren’t the first to over-invest in a worthless woman. Look at Michael Clarke – he ditched the vacuous floozy, and now he averages about 1000. You can do it, too. She doesn’t deserve you. You’re better than that.

James in Melbourne

23 Nov 12 at 10:42 am
James – LOL

Carpe Jugulum

23 Nov 12 at 10:47 am
Here is an example of completely wrong reporting re last night’s 7.30:

Julia Gillard has dismissed suggestions by a former work colleague that she knew of the purchase of a house with misappropriated money years earlier than she first said.

He did not accuse her of knowing about the “slush fund” money being used.

It is scandalously bad reporting.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 10:52 am
Yep, it sure is. I see their standards haven’t improved just because they have switched targets.

Cato the Elder

23 Nov 12 at 11:00 am
From LP this morning.

Australian Bar Review, vol 5 No 1 March 1989 page 1 refers to conspiracy to defraud and aiding and abetting a breach of the law as the two areas of the criminal law which potentially apply to professional advice.

His Honour McHugh J said (in part) “…when the lawyer goes beyond advice and draws documents for the purpose of enabling a client to achieve an objective, it is, I think, almost impossible to contend that the adviser does not aid the commission of any offence which results.”

I wonder if this is what Jon Faine says happens “all the time”?

Lazlo

23 Nov 12 at 11:03 am
Yep, it sure is. I see their standards haven’t improved just because they have switched targets.

ABC Radio bulletins tell us that the Red Dalek “lived in” the Kerr St property, something that she has previously vehemently denied. Will wait with interest to see whether she demands a retraction.

Cold-Hands

23 Nov 12 at 11:03 am
Abc24 said the same, Cold-Hands, amid a few more errors. At least they are consistent across the ABC stable.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 11:07 am
Oh look they have turned Rugby League into a beta male game. Told you it would happen. CL and MK50 must be livid pink at this development because they like all anachronistic alpha males think purposefully inflicting brain damage is the manly thing to do.

The ‘shoulder charge’ was never part of rugby league until a few years ago and I don’t support it at all. It’s an unmanly way to tackle.

John the hysteric should note well that this decision was made by a private body – the National Rugby League – and no intervention from the beta male’s bossomy wet nurse (the gubbermint) was required.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 11:16 am
Wow. Another smoking gun re Slushgate.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 11:17 am
It is scandalously bad reporting.

No, that’s just your scandalously poor comprehension skill.

lotocoti

23 Nov 12 at 11:21 am
Bryce Courtenay has died.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 11:23 am
No power left in that one.

blogstrop

23 Nov 12 at 11:29 am
The irony is that it is precisely the media’s soft pillow treatment for Gillard that drove her brazen lying from the outset. We see this often. Not given the treatment as non-lefty politicians are, Labor pols grow careless and hubristic, believing they can get away with anything. Gillard has been the most pseudo bullet proof ever because in addition to an endless series of free passes she also throws around the girl card, which has afforded her an extra layer of imperious invulnerability.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 11:30 am
Dear, oh dear, Blogstrop.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 11:30 am
Wot CL said.

Tackles are made by taking the other bloke’s legs out from under him. A perfect tackle takes the other player out at both ankles simultaneously.

CL – I really do think the MSM dam walls surrounding the Lying Slapper have burst over the past 48 hours. Your view?

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 11:31 am
I’ll tell you how the shoulder charge took off. Channel Nine featured it in almost all of its highlights, promotional and intro packages – invariably accompanied by Rabbit Warren exclaiming OOOOOHHHH!

———————–

Mark, I expect that McTernan will now order Gillard to play the girl card again, perhaps emotionally essaying what Big Bad Bruce did to her. The hope will be that Michelle, Fat Tony, Faine, Coorey and the whole mob of soft pillow artists will declare the story a no go zone. Remember, all if took for them to back off Thomson was an hilarious claim that the revolting turd was about to hurl himself off a building or something.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 11:37 am
Just when you think you have seen it all – the miracle of the interwebs makes learning a new thing every day possible !

In a link to an article on foreign chemical warfare units deploying to Jordan – presumably in anticipation of the Syrian WMD arsenals potentially going live ? – Glenn Reynolds notes that he is stocking up on essential supplies just in case things get ugly.

Canned Bacon !

Canned bacon – whoever heard of such a thing ?

Isn’t the market economy an amazing display of innovation !

Now – is Glenn planning to eat the canned bacon in a crisis, or are the cans of culturally inappropriate meat supposed to be fired back at the bad guys ?

Myrrdin Seren

23 Nov 12 at 11:39 am
Time for some mood music.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 11:39 am
If Gillard’s defence is that she didn’t see faxes marked to her attention and wasn’t involved in a conveyancing file that has her handwritten notes and other notes referring matters to her she really is “young and naive”.

The next thing to watch is how many of her cabinet colleagues are prepared to join Burke and Nanny Roxon tying themselves to this sinking ship? Killing season isn’t over yet.

H B Bear

23 Nov 12 at 11:50 am
Last night my wife asked me if I had heard something about this slush fund scandal, and did I know the details. She is a really intelligent woman at the peak of her career in IT, very influential in her field, and spends half of her time in Canberra. She just does not worry about things that don’t directly matter or interest her. Or as a natural conservative, she ignores the offensive if at all possible.

She thinks Tim Mathieson is a great success because he has clearly improved Gillard’s haircut. (She’s right you know).

Not just the luvvies and the ABC, normal intelligent people want to assume that all is well in the world.

We agreed that tonight I am going to calmly explain to her the known facts of the slush fund. Over a bottle of wine. But I wonder why I should bother her. She would never support Labor anyway, and the story will just piss her off, and she will say I am exagerating again.

Jannie

23 Nov 12 at 11:55 am
Killing season isn’t over yet.

Indeed Bear, it peaks next week.

Rabz

23 Nov 12 at 12:16 pm
Purely personal speculation CL: there’s a way to rein in all the troops behind her Lying Slapperiness and totally shut down the debate on the AWU scandal – declare an election for April, THEN play the victim card.

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 12:23 pm
Oh oh Paul Howes, that isn’t quite right.

”Ultimately, the union tried to pursue these people 17 years ago. We provided all the evidence we had on file to the DPP in Western Australia and Victoria. We provided it to the police,” he said.

”The authorities in WA and Victoria declined to prosecute. They said the union wasn’t the aggrieved party. The aggrieved party was Theiss.”

My understanding is that Theiss did indeed decline to pursue the matter – that would be the boyfriend’s brother in law. However at least in WA the police were red hot on prosecuting, maybe this matter or perhaps the Kalgoorlie Widows Fund rorting.

In Victoria I’m pretty sure Cambridge spat the dummy because Shorten and Ludwig told the police to drop it.

Yws, not quite accurate there Mr National Head of the AWU.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 12:23 pm
My nomination for the creative advertising video of the year. It helps it’s from a government department with none of the cost pressures of the real world.

Tom

23 Nov 12 at 12:25 pm
Good point!

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 12:27 pm
Amortiser is working on 99.999% supposition, and the other .001% is wrong anyway.

SOB:

I have reviewed my post in light of your comment above. The post contained 10 facts that are supported by documentary evidence if you bothered to do your own research. Those tracts are contained in the record of interview with Gillard and her partners and the content of the conveyancing which is publically available.

From those facts I drew some obvious conclusions:

(a) the loan was to be serviced by Wilson as Blewitt had no knowledge of
It
(b) Gillard had to be satisfied that the loan could be serviced as she
arranged it through S&G funds
(c) loan was serviced by fraudulent payment of living away from home
allowance or cash from the slush fund or a combination of the two
(d) Gillard must have known of at least one fraud on the AWU to service
The loan

So, SOB, where is the 99.999% supposition and what is the .001% that is wrong?

Amortiser

23 Nov 12 at 12:35 pm
Bill Shorten earlier today on radio:

He said that people were not interested in issues from 20 years ago and that he would struggle to remember documents he saw 20 years ago.

Fortunately for you, Mr former AWU boss, notes were taken by others. They will gladly help you remember your cover up of the whole sorry saga.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 12:36 pm
While the polls are close ain’t nothing going to happen.

candy

23 Nov 12 at 12:38 pm
MK50 that is a beaut!

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 12:39 pm
The ‘shoulder charge’ was never part of rugby league until a few years ago and I don’t support it at all. It’s an unmanly way to tackle.

Wrong. Watch the 1977 grand final.

They’re so manly they’re ripped like Olympic athletes and smoke craven A’s when they are talking tactics with coach.

.

23 Nov 12 at 12:40 pm
Shoulder-charging as a stand-alone one-on-one way to floor the runner is something new. There may be instances of it in the past but it was not a thing until recently.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 12:42 pm
dot (last night)

This is a lie because she is at least guilty of a misdemeanor which has run past the statute of limitations.

which misdemeanor?

A false attestation.

If it is an indictable offence in WA there is no time limit.

No, shit, so when the other evidence turns up, she’s toast.

.

23 Nov 12 at 12:42 pm
http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/they-banned-the-shoulder-charge-to-avoid-a-negligence-charge/story-fndujljl-1226522236147

In the 1960s, Johnny Raper used to run around a golf course in army boots while carrying a house brick in each hand to build stamina.

Today’s players don’t need stamina. If they get tired they put their hand up for a rest and the coach sends on a clone, just as big on biceps and short on breath.

Yeah I’m sure that you can just clone Benji or Billy Slater and ET or Walford were just fat, disgusting, lazy bums.

What a crock.

.

23 Nov 12 at 12:46 pm
Amortiser, you continue to make a case out of mere suppositions. I can’t be bothered listing the detail.

Bush lawyering, by its very nature, is not worth spending much time correcting.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 12:50 pm
Good find, Lazlo

Australian Bar Review, vol 5 No 1 March 1989 page 1 refers to conspiracy to defraud and aiding and abetting a breach of the law as the two areas of the criminal law which potentially apply to professional advice.

His Honour McHugh J said (in part) “…when the lawyer goes beyond advice and draws documents for the purpose of enabling a client to achieve an objective, it is, I think, almost impossible to contend that the adviser does not aid the commission of any offence which results.”

She’s fucked. Give it up monty. Maybe you can be her pen pal when she’s in Bandyup.

.

23 Nov 12 at 12:53 pm
The bush lawyers at Slater & Gordon aren’t happy:

Mr Styant-Brown said that while there was a ”spectrum” of views across the firm’s partnership, there was ”deep disquiet” about Ms Gillard’s conduct.

I guess they were got at by The Australian too.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 12:54 pm
Bush lawyering, by its very nature, is not worth spending much time correcting.

You’d know how, fuck knuckle? Your failure as a short order meteorologist, economist or canon?

.

23 Nov 12 at 12:54 pm
You too are a fantastic bush lawyer, dot. You’ll note I don’t bother correcting you either.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 12:56 pm
Stop picking on Steve. He’s in pain so leave him alone.

Here, Stevie some music to lift your spirits.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 12:58 pm
Lower House Question Time starts next week.

So, so many targets.

Blewitt is singing to the police and will probably go media mad after his statement.

And the cricket’s looking interesting as well.

I’m happier than a dog with 2 tails.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 1:04 pm
Au contraire, Gab. There is every possibility that Michael Smith’s use of Blewitt may blow up big time.

The inconsistencies in Blewitt’s comments are building up, I’ve noticed, and Smith is already having to make excuses for it.

The sycophantic material about Blewitt on Smith’s blog is laughable in its extremity.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 1:05 pm
See? You feel better already.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 1:08 pm
He said that people were not interested in issues from 20 years ago and that he would struggle to remember documents he saw 20 years ago

So tell Barbara Ramjet and the rest of the barkers off Tony Abbott’s case for something that may or may not (most likely scenario) have happened 35 years ago.

nilk

23 Nov 12 at 1:09 pm
Au contraire, Gab. There is every possibility that Michael Smith’s use of Blewitt may blow up big time.

There is every possibility that Gillard will go to gaol

You can knit her some cardigans, Steve.

.

23 Nov 12 at 1:10 pm
The inconsistencies in Blewitt’s comments are building up, I’ve noticed

The inconsistencies in Blewitt’s comments?
In Blewitt’s comments?
Not inconsistencies in the comments of, er, anyone else who might have been involved? Because everyone is talking these days about whether the whole thing might sabotage Blewitt’s future career prospects. That’s the subject of gossip all over the country.

Turn around quick Steve, there’s a huge fucking elephant standing right behind you.

dd

23 Nov 12 at 1:11 pm
“deep disquiet” ?

She was effectively sacked. Does anybody seriously think Gillard had a future there after that taped and transcribed interview with her fellow (senior) partners?

Fortunately Mother Russia and Emilys List stepped in to solve that problem.

H B Bear

23 Nov 12 at 1:12 pm
Blewitt is almost a non-player in that she is truly f**ked by the documents, what she said in that employer interview, (an interview she clearly never thought her like minded employers would release publicly) and her dishonest denials.

Who cares if she gets charged? She’s gone.

Tiny Dancer

23 Nov 12 at 1:14 pm
Don’t forget the AWU walked their files across to Nanny Roxon’s firm after Gillard’s boyfriend blew everything up. I can’t image the loss of those billings would have gone down well at the next partnership meeting either.

H B Bear

23 Nov 12 at 1:15 pm
SfB I don’t think Blewitt is a great witness but he was certainly at Ground Zero as the frauds occurred.

All he has to do is clearly state “Only Bruce was present when I signed the Power of Attorney.”

That’s all.

And she’ll have to obfuscate like a Nazi at Nurenburg to get out of that with any sort of reputation.

Mate you have to realise the average citizen has seen so much sleaze from the Labor party recently and has a lower than usual tolerance for it.

Then the focus will shift to the AWU especially if the police do their jobs.

Which will lead to half the Cabinet being mentioned in dispatches.

A tip for you, SfB, move to the Altona area in Melbourne and join the Labor Party. There will be a federal gig available this time next year. You might need to adjust your moral compass to get it, however.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 1:19 pm
So anyone heard from gillard today? She been doing interviews? Or has she been secreted away to a secure location?

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 1:22 pm
You might have trouble maintaining SfB as a nick, however I don’t see too many suburbs starting with B

The main suburbs include part of Altona Meadows and Truganina and all of Hoppers Crossing, Laverton, Laverton North, Little River, Point Cook, Seabrook, Tarneit, Werribee, Werribee South, Williams Landing and Wyndham Vale. Rural areas of Eynesbury (part), Mount Cottrell (part), Quandong, Mambourin and Cocoroc are also included.

Try Quangdong, we could all work with Steve from Quangdong.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 1:22 pm
Oh, I dunno, Dave. The Steve from Altona would still make a good nick.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 1:24 pm
Or has she been secreted away to a secure location?

Watching the cricket with Timmy whist on the phone to McTiernan.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 1:25 pm
TD thinks a person can’t be PM because a comment made to her firm “I don’t, I don’t think I knew at the time where the source of the funds was” is disbelieved by an ex partner.

This is clearly a huge matter of national importance, that an equivocal denial of knowledge of a loan 2 years before means she should not be prime minister.

You’re a bunch of Gillard hating people anyway. This means you have no objectively at all as to the unimportance of the matter.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 1:29 pm
So anyone heard from gillard today?

She’s too busy running the country.

jupes

23 Nov 12 at 1:29 pm
It would have to be Altona Meadows. That’s a bit fruity in my opinion. Lacks punch.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 1:30 pm
Ol’ Leathery runs a bit of spin ahead of the Tony Abbott Hour on Sunday. I suppose the complete loss of control of the marine borders, 30,000 self-selecting immigrants in five years and $5bn of costs is a “bogey man” to a certain way of thinking. They are certainly scary numbers.

Even the ABC luvvies are having a few problems controlling the comments from what I can see. The tide is going out on Gillard. McSporran better put on his thinking haggis.

H B Bear

23 Nov 12 at 1:31 pm
SFA, Dave, SFA. geez.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 1:31 pm
You’re a bunch of Gillard hating people anyway. This means you have no objectively at all as to the unimportance of the matter.

Pot, let me introduce you to kettle. You will notice that he too is black.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

23 Nov 12 at 1:33 pm
Keep away from Werribee Sfb, I don’t know Melbourne well but I understand Werribee’s claim to fame is the sewage works and the feral bogans.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 1:33 pm
SFA, Dave, SFA. geez.

mea culpa. How did I miss THAT?

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 1:37 pm
A well placed source tells me that Tim will (during the tea break) come clean with his men’s shed mates.
He will admit that he’s been living a lie for many years. He is a girl trapped in a boy’s body. He will immediately go on the mones in preparation for gender reassignment surgery. From stumps today he would like to be referred to as “Loretta”.

He and ower Jules will then live in a same sex relationship and adopt a child.

In anticipation of this ower Julia will presently resign to spend more time with her family.

It will still be Loretta’s job to put the bins out.

Pickles

23 Nov 12 at 1:43 pm
Nice one from Michael Smith just now.

I’d like to thank Jon Faine of ABC Local Radio Melbourne for having me on his program today and for permitting me to insert a few words into his monologue.

Lazlo

23 Nov 12 at 1:50 pm
Gillard thought she had tucked Cambridge safely away at Fair Work Australia – too bad she forgot to demand he empty his pockets of things such as diaries and the like.

Viva

23 Nov 12 at 1:56 pm
Some scandals are more colourful than JG’s.

But DesJarlais said he is not the same man who supported his first wife’s decision to have two abortions. The physician-turned-congressman said he also deeply regrets sexual relationships with multiple women, including two patients, three co-workers and a drug company representative while he was chief of staff at Grandview Medical Center in Jasper.

including charges that he had at times behaved in a violent and threatening manner and once held a gun in his mouth.

The bloke made sure he ticked all the boxes for bad behaviour.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 2:00 pm
You forgot to mention he’s a Republican, DaveF.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 2:05 pm
[Paul] Murray was interviewing the deputy leader of the opposition, Julie Bishop, who was going through her now familiar lines on the issue. “It goes to her character, Paul – her ethics, her judgment, whether people can have trust and confidence in her. I think people are entitled to answers from her so that they can make a judgment about whether she is fit to be prime minister of the country.”

Then Murray took a call from Penny.

Murray: “What can you tell us about this?”

Penny: “… Ralph Blewitt is my brother, he is my older brother. He is as crooked as they come. It wasn’t Julia Gillard that stole the money. She might have set up the fund, and Wilson and Blewitt, Ralph Blewitt, were the crooks, not Julia Gillard. Ralph is out to make whatever he can make out of this for himself.”

Murray: “… he appeared on the front page of The Australian newspaper saying ‘I’ll tell my whole story as long as I don’t get prosecuted’.”

Penny: “Yeah, well, he is crooked as they bloody come. Sorry, but he is my older brother and I am telling you now he is rotten to the core.”

Jon Faine, the host of the morning show on ABC 774 in Melbourne, read out the transcript on Thursday and asked: “Why hasn’t that appeared on the front page of The Age or The Australian? Why hasn’t that appeared so that we can factor that in, and judge his reliability as a whistleblower?”

Decent point by Barrie there.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 2:06 pm
A Thorough Review of the Scientific Literature on Global Warming.

By my definition, 24 of the 13,950 articles, 0.17 percent or 1 in 581, clearly reject global warming or endorse a cause other than CO2 emissions for observed warming. The list of articles that reject global warming is here.

The 24 articles have been cited a total of 113 times over the nearly 21-year period, for an average of close to 5 citations each. That compares to an average of about 19 citations for articles answering to “global warming,” for example. Four of the rejecting articles have never been cited; four have citations in the double-digits. The most-cited has 17.

Of one thing we can be certain: had any of these articles presented the magic bullet that falsifies human-caused global warming, that article would be on its way to becoming one of the most-cited in the history of science.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 2:10 pm
Turn around quick Steve, there’s a huge fucking elephant standing right behind you.

Indeed.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 2:13 pm
Sob said:

This is clearly a huge matter of national importance, that an equivocal denial of knowledge of a loan 2 years before means she should not be prime minister.

You’re a bunch of Gillard hating people anyway. This means you have no objectively at all as to the unimportance of the matter.

SOB:

What you have to ask yourself is why would she deny knowledge of the mortgage. If everything is above board there is no need to deny it.
She was present when the property was purchased. She signed the POA from Blewitt in favour of Wilson. The mortgage was provided by Slater and Gordon. Gillard’s handwriting is all over the conveyancing documents.

The problem for Gillard is that she lied to the partners about Blewitt’s capacity to service the loan. He was not a property investor unless you count his own home.

Blewitt has denied knowledge of the loan and I think it is now generally accepted that that is true. He was certainly not servicing the loan. He had no capacity to do so given his own mortgage commitments.

The only person servicing the mortgage was Wilson and Gillard clearly initiated the steps in getting that loan approved in S&G. There is no evidence that anybody else did and Gillard was Wilson’s contact in S&G.

Gillard had to be certain that Wilson/Blewitt could service the mortgage as he was her client and it would have looked bad for her if the loans turned bad.

When she made the denial she already knew that Wilson was involved in fraud as that was the point of the interview. She would have had a lot more questions to answer about what she did know about the servicing of the loan if she admitted being aware of it.

You don’t have to be “a Gillard hating person” to recognise that there are serious questions to be answered in light of her denial of what is clear on the evidence.

It’s time to suck it up SoB.

Amortiser

23 Nov 12 at 2:13 pm
More than that SfB he’s a Tea Party morals campaigner.

He’s standing firm. The balls of the man.

the Jasper Republican conceded that he often used “very poor judgment” during his first marriage

Indeed.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 2:16 pm
Cardinal George Pell showed a ‘‘sociopathic lack of empathy, typifying the attitude and response of the Catholic hierarchy’’ to parents whose daughters were repeatedly raped by a priest, the Victorian inquiry into child abuse has been told.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 2:17 pm
By the way, can any of the bush lawyers tell me why I can’t find any reference to a solicitor being charged with a criminal act for witnessing a document in the absence of the signatory?

Sure, they can be done for professional misconduct, but that is a different matter.

Michael Smith has a link to a media release by solicitors for Blewitt, confirming he gave a statement to the police including relating to the Power of Attorney witnessing, and claiming this would an offence under the Crimes Act.

Reading the section myself, I think there is no hope in hell of it applying to what (taken at its worst) may happened in the Gillard situation.

Smith has referred to advice from a QC. He has never released it.

In my view, there is some shonky legal opinion or comment being thrown about here.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 2:17 pm
That DesJarlais is a piece of work.

Oh well. At least he didn’t kill a girl by leaving her drown in an Oldsmobile.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 2:20 pm
I can’t believe Gillard is being allowed to throw a paralegal under the bus in relation to the conveyance as such work performed by a paralegal is subject always to direct Solicitor supervision and instruction as per the requirements of the Legal Profession Act even when pro bono work is performed.

Nanuestalker

23 Nov 12 at 2:21 pm
sociopathic lack of empathy

Monty has called for anyone in public life suffering from depression to be sacked.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 2:23 pm
Jon Faine, the host of the morning show on ABC 774 in Melbourne, read out the transcript on Thursday and asked: “Why hasn’t that appeared on the front page of The Age or The Australian? Why hasn’t that appeared so that we can factor that in, and judge his reliability as a whistleblower?”

From today’s Oz.

Ralph Blewitt, who says he participated in an alleged fraud with Ms Gillard’s former boyfriend Bruce Wilson in the 1990s

Also referred to throughout as a “bagman”. Doesn’t sound too complementary.

OK, that red herring now put to bed. Next?

Lazlo

23 Nov 12 at 2:28 pm
She turned to binge drinking after the abuse at Sacred Heart school by Kevin O’Donnell, though the church had received complaints in 1946, 1958 and 1984 that he was a child-abuser.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/sociopathic-pell-compelled-rape-victims-into-silence-inquiry-told-20121123-29xmi.html#ixzz2D0qpVkGV

This is at the heart of the reason for the Royal Commission.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 2:28 pm
complimentary

Lazlo

23 Nov 12 at 2:30 pm
Geez CL, you’re not even trying with that one. At least put in some effort.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 2:31 pm
sociopathic lack of empathy

Lindy Chamberlain was skewered in the media and the court of public opinion for her “lack of emotion” and some said it “proved” she was guilty.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 2:32 pm
Clearly Pell should have acted in 1946.

That he was aged 5 at the time is no excuse.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 2:33 pm
HBB:

McSporran better put on his thinking haggis

.

Comment of the day right there.

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 2:33 pm
Yes, that’s true, the reason for the Royal Commission is to smear Cardinal Pell and insinuate he is a child abuser calling him sociopathic, and therefore taint Mr Abbott.

candy

23 Nov 12 at 2:34 pm
Monty, Julie Bishop is absolutely correct. Either Gillard knew what Wilson and Blewitt were up to and mindfully assisted them (and profited from it) or she has poor enough judgement to be manipulated by a couple of crooks while a 30-something partner in a major law firm. Penny’s comment doesn’t rule out either possibility, it just casts doubt on any new testimony from Blewitt, which was doubtful to begin with. Even if Gillard has committed no crime, she’s clearly doesn’t possess sound enough judgement to be Prime Minister.

Greego

23 Nov 12 at 2:35 pm
Speaking of sociopathic lack of empathy, remember the reviews for Gillard when she visited flood victims in Brisbane?

“I think you could look at her performance during the Queensland floods, when she was actually up there with the people, and think that it was very wooden.

“I’m not the only one saying that. And I’ve also had some experience where around small children she was wooden.

“Empathy around small children is a pretty good test of what sort of person you are in life.”

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 2:36 pm
AN incoming coalition federal government might not have much room to move on tax reform in its first term because of the state of the budget, shadow treasurer Joe Hockey has warned.

…

“The fiscal position we are likely to inherit after the election limits the scope and scale of tax reform that we would be able to achieve in a first term of government,” Mr Hockey said.

“That is not to say that there will never be the opportunity for system-wide tax reform in a further term of a coalition government.”

Well, that’s alright then.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 2:37 pm
A Thorough Review of the Scientific Literature on Global Warming.

I had a look at his list of ‘denialist’ (his word) papers.

I take an interest in the issue and only recognised one of the names – Baulinas. I think he may have been overly selective in his criteria for critical papers. Any fair person would agree 24 papers is implausibly low.

In fact I know there was one published just t he other week finding far less certainty in the forcing of CO2-e.

But perhaps he would have found it difficult for his peer reviewers at The Center For American Progress to approve his article if he’d used more rigour.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 2:38 pm
The reality of the Lying Slapper’s situation is sinking into the foetid ‘minds’ of the troll collective.

Y’notice the frantic efforts at bait and switch:

‘LOOK! Over there! an American pollie behaving badly!’

‘LOOK! Over there! peddopeddopeddopeddopeddopedo!

or our pet racist and anti-semite Crapulon’s special monkey-dance:
Joooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos!!

pathetic.

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 2:39 pm
Well, that’s alright then.

Exactly. No point making empty promises just to win votes and then not following through afterwards. How anyone can make any promises before they get their hands on this crooked government’s books is just fairy tale stuff. Stuff of NDIS promises.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 2:40 pm
Monty, Julie Bishop is absolutely correct. Either Gillard knew what Wilson and Blewitt were up to and mindfully assisted them (and profited from it) or she has poor enough judgement to be manipulated by a couple of crooks while a 30-something partner in a major law firm. Penny’s comment doesn’t rule out either possibility, it just casts doubt on any new testimony from Blewitt, which was doubtful to begin with. Even if Gillard has committed no crime, she’s clearly doesn’t possess sound enough judgement to be Prime Minister.

Greego, that is fair comment. However, all the big facts have come out already yet Gillard’s poll ratings continue to rise, so evidently the public doesn’t see it as crucial to their decision to vote for her.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 2:42 pm
Yes, that’s true, the reason for the Royal Commission is to smear Cardinal Pell and insinuate he is a child abuser calling him sociopathic, and therefore taint Mr Abbott.

Sorry, candy, but the hormonal pull of Tony is starting to make you sound a bit nutty in that line of reasoning.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 2:42 pm
Albo, Emmo, Nicola and the gang are all very silent today. Odd.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 2:42 pm
Fat boy, monster

Most people question the rate of change and if the rate poses any substantial loss over the cost of mitigation.

So shut up fat boy.

Next time don’t show up unarmed

Jc　

23 Nov 12 at 2:43 pm
“Empathy around small children is a pretty good test of what sort of person you are in life.”

I think there’s a lot of truth in that.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 2:43 pm
As Jarrah noted recently, you’re a weirdo, Mk50.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 2:46 pm
m0nster,

Gillard’s poll ratings continue to rise, so evidently the public doesn’t see it as crucial to their decision to vote for her.

You keep on believing that preferred PM numbers matter.
Last time I looked, it was the 2PP numbers that decided elections, and on that basis Gillard and your beloved ALP are rooted. Deservedly so I might add.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

23 Nov 12 at 2:48 pm
Science Progress proceeds from the propositions that scientific inquiry is among the finest expressions of human excellence, that it is a crucial source of human flourishing, a critical engine of economic growth, and must be dedicated to the common good. Scientific inquiry entails global responsibilities. It should lead to a more equitable, safer, and healthier future for all of humankind.

What an odd view of the scientific method.

I always thought it was about finding facts.

But I suppose if you can only find 24 sceptical papers you have followed your charter.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 2:49 pm
The bottom line is that the Slater &Gordon partners asked Ms Gillard to resign. They must have believed she was not competent/trustworthy to work for them anymore, in case another Bruce Wilson came along.

I wonder what they think now – seeing her as PM. Funny old world.

candy

23 Nov 12 at 2:49 pm
Last time I looked, it was the 2PP numbers that decided elections, and on that basis Gillard and your beloved ALP are rooted

This graph belies your claim, Huck. Most of the recent 2PP polls are clustered around 52:48, down from 57:43 six months ago. Two points is nothing, this far out from the election.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 2:54 pm
I can’t understand how Gillard had a political career after the scandal. The Labor party was roiled by it at the time. I suspect for factional reasons. A Labor MP raised it in the Vic Parliament for heavens sake.

How she could be appointed to Bracks staff almost immediately and later gifted a safe set beggars belief.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 2:56 pm
We research, write, and publish articles, opinion editorials, reports, and podcasts that examine current issues in science and technology through a progressive policy lens.

Yup, good source m0nty.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 2:58 pm
Fat boy

Has there been one poll your political party has won since the election?

One?

Jc　

23 Nov 12 at 2:59 pm
The mortgage points to possible criminal fraud against the mortgagee by Wilson, assisted by Gillard.

As a real world example, in 2000 a QLD solicitor got 3 years gaol (and struck off) for assisting clients to get loans that they didn’t really qualify for. He got no personal financial benefit; but by assisting his clients to gain a financial advantage (the loan) by deceit (not disclosing a rebate arrangement, so the sale price was artificially inflated) he was guilty of fraud.

I haven’t been able to dig up the court report, but here’s the disciplinary hearing result (which refers to the fact of conviction but not the sentence)

No personal benefit.

Struck off.

Three years clink.

No wonder she’s “ambiguous”

Cato the Elder

23 Nov 12 at 2:59 pm
How she could be appointed to Bracks staff almost immediately and later gifted a safe set beggars belief.

She does seem to have a penchant for married men.

Lazlo

23 Nov 12 at 3:00 pm
I love open forum – it just proves how a lack of regulation works!

Lysander Spooner

23 Nov 12 at 3:01 pm
If you had bothered to look at that graph I linked, JC, it shows that Labor was still winning some 2PP polls as late as March last year.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 3:02 pm
m0nty, assuming that Oakshit gets rolled by the Nats and Thommo gets his right whack, where exactly do you see the ALP actually gaining seats in order for them to hang on?
You seem to ignore the beltings that have been delivered in NSW & QLD. There is a very real possiblity that there will be only 1 or 2 seats that will be red in QLD.
There is no way on earth that your beloved can hang on.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

23 Nov 12 at 3:02 pm
Lazlo:

That thought has been in my mind as well. Not Bracks but someone else in the party.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 3:04 pm
If you had bothered to look at that graph I linked, JC, it shows that Labor was still winning some 2PP polls as late as March last year.

Bullshit fat boy. They have not won a 2PP since the slap took back her pledge.

What Tiny said.

How are the doughnuts going mOron?

JC

23 Nov 12 at 3:07 pm
Is that “Monty” as in Python?

Cos your comments are hilarious!

Lysander Spooner

23 Nov 12 at 3:09 pm
m0nty, assuming that Oakshit gets rolled by the Nats and Thommo gets his right whack, where exactly do you see the ALP actually gaining seats in order for them to hang on?

Didn’t we go through this last week? The Libs have more marginals than Labor, and redistributions haven’t been kind to them in states where they have happened so far (Vic and SA, IIRC). The downside for the right in having the state level sewn up is massive backlashes against Newman and Baillieu, that’s where the seats will flow. The marginals in WA are mostly held by Libs, so the right is mostly defending seats rather than picking up. NSW is difficult, no doubt.

It won’t be easy for Gillard. Nothing is.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 3:15 pm
However, all the big facts have come out already yet Gillard’s poll ratings continue to rise

Strange mOnty, I thought it was all nutjob hearsay? Now it is ‘facts’…for posterity, can you explicitly say you acknowledge her lack of judgement and that this doesn’t dissuade you from voting for her? I just want to get your lack of a moral/ethical compass on the record…

Previously you took the line that there was no criminality alleged or proved and so there was nothing to the scandal, yet now the benchmark apparently is how the facts of the PM’s appalling lack of judgement (at best!) are perceived by the public. You are one strange (and ethically bankrupt) cat mOnts…

Skuter

23 Nov 12 at 3:17 pm
The downside for the right in having the state level sewn up is massive backlashes against Newman and Baillieu, that’s where the seats will flow.

If you actually believe that the ALP will gain seats in QLD, you are more delusional than I thought.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

23 Nov 12 at 3:19 pm
Bwahahaahaahaahaaa…. assuming she makes it to the election Gillard won’t be seen in WA. Her last 2 visits were straight in – straight out, she is electoral poison over here.

Gary Gray and Stephen Smith are probably both gone already. They will keep Freo and that’s about it.

H B Bear

23 Nov 12 at 3:20 pm
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/her-love-for-bad-men-brought-police-officer-jenna-lee-hughes-down/story-e6freuy9-1226522291759

Hey mOnty, you might want to start voting for this chick…you like the young and naive ones…

Skuter

23 Nov 12 at 3:20 pm
I forgot to say that young Jenna would be mighty popular in any poll…

Skuter

23 Nov 12 at 3:22 pm
They have not won a 2PP since the slap took back her pledge.

Newspoll had the ALP up 51-49 on 20 March, 2011.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong, JC? You are wrong so often, it must be second nature to you by now.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 3:26 pm
The purchase of the property in Blewitt’s name enabled the Kerr Street property to be hidden from Wilson’s deserted wife and children. That great warrior against mysogyny was complicit in that act. That’s cause enough for JG to have to resign IMO.

Steve of Ferny Hills

23 Nov 12 at 3:27 pm
Is that “Monty” as in Python?

Cos your comments are hilarious!

No. Its monster as in fat boy an embittered trollish 40 year old virgin.

JC

23 Nov 12 at 3:27 pm
can you explicitly say you acknowledge her lack of judgement and that this doesn’t dissuade you from voting for her?

Yes and yes, Skuter. As have millions of other Australians.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 3:27 pm
Sorry, candy, but the hormonal pull of Tony is starting to make you sound a bit nutty in that line of reasoning.

Absolutely not, Stevie, Candy makes a very pertinent comment. The stinking luvvies are trying so hard to tar Abbott with a ‘don’t vote for the RC’ slur, so much so that any attack on Cardinal Pell is, for them, per se an attack on Abbott.

I should accuse you of producing a terrible piece of sexism and misogyny there Stevie-boy, but I am far too kindly and unimpressed by ‘sexism’ in its contemporary Labor luvvie usage to do so. However, I do think our lady hormones matter too much to leave any masculine claim to knowledge of their workings up to a little beta male like you. Suffice it to point out that you are once more shown as demonstrably incapable of clear and accurate comment on such matters.

As with household hints, I may occasionally offer you some handy tips for your future understanding of such things.

No thanks required, Stevie. I am all heart.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

23 Nov 12 at 3:27 pm
Didn’t we go through this last week? The Libs have more marginals than Labor, and redistributions haven’t been kind to them in states where they have happened so far (Vic and SA, IIRC). The downside for the right in having the state level sewn up is massive backlashes against Newman and Baillieu, that’s where the seats will flow. The marginals in WA are mostly held by Libs, so the right is mostly defending seats rather than picking up. NSW is difficult, no doubt.

It won’t be easy for Gillard. Nothing is.

Nonsense. Prime Minister Clelland can win an election if he gets rid of Gillard and Swan quickly enough and bashes Abbot enough, and dumps the carbon tax, MDB plan and new fishing zones.

Otherwise he hasn’t a hope.

.

23 Nov 12 at 3:28 pm
Prime Minister Clelland

HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahaaaaaaa!!

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 3:30 pm
Any commentary on the new MDB plan?

Burke is a berk.

.

23 Nov 12 at 3:31 pm
Any commentary on the new MDB plan?

It seems to me that he has mildly annoyed every stakeholder in equal measure, but not enough for anyone to be too energetic in opposing him, which is probably a good sign that he has navigated a solid policy.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 3:34 pm
Fat boy every sane human being ignored that poll as a rogue, you fat idiot.

Basically your party has not won a fuckb poll since the slapper broke her pledge and proceeded to act lke Midas I reverse… Everything she touches turns to shit.

JC

23 Nov 12 at 3:35 pm
It seems to me that he has mildly annoyed every stakeholder in equal measure, but not enough for anyone to be too energetic in opposing him, which is probably a good sign that he has navigated a solid policy.

Did he have the hide to show his face in Griffith or have any community consultation?

Do people from Melbourne who crap on about “saving da Murray” also think the Sugarloaf Pipeline ought to be demolished?

.

23 Nov 12 at 3:36 pm
That’s a thought Steve of Ferny.

Was there a property settlement ?
Did the Kerr St love nest form part of the property pool for the purposes of the property settlement ?
Were all Wilson’s bank accounts disclosed ?
Did Wilson sign off on the FMC Financial Statement ?
Who acted for Wilson in that matter ?
S & G?
Julia ?

Perhaps the former Mrs Wilson might now consider having the matter reopened ?
Her share of the value of that asset plus 19yrs interest ?

Vengeance is a dish best eaten cold.

Pickles

23 Nov 12 at 3:40 pm
JC:

Everything she touches turns to shit.

Not true! It’ much worse than that.

Sh*t has a positive value as fertiliser.

Nothing the Lying Slapper has attempted has a positive value.

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 3:40 pm
Fat boy every sane human being ignored that poll as a rogue, you fat idiot.

Basically your party has not won a fuckb poll since the slapper broke her pledge and proceeded to act lke Midas I reverse… Everything she touches turns to shit.

This conversation, in summary:
Me: The polls showed A as late as March 2011.
JC: Bullshit!
Me: Here, this poll showed A in March 2011.
JC: Um……………………….. bullshit!

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 3:41 pm
Pickles… that’s just evil.

I like it!

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 3:42 pm
can you explicitly say you acknowledge her lack of judgement and that this doesn’t dissuade you from voting for her?

Yes and yes, Skuter. As have millions of other Australians.

He’s like homer and equally embittered. These two meatheads would be the only two voters in the country openly enthusiastic in voting for her.

Fat boy isnt leftwing at all. He’s an institutionalist. Fme.

JC

23 Nov 12 at 3:42 pm
m0nty, I will ask again.
Do you believe that the ALP will gain seats in QLD in the next federal election?

Huckleberry Chunkwot

23 Nov 12 at 3:45 pm
you are once more shown as demonstrably incapable of clear and accurate comment on such matters.

Dear Lizzie: I’ve having all complaints of sexism on forwarded to Ms “think with their ovaries” Gab.

Now that we know about hubbies false teeth, I’m looking forward to the next thrilling episode, when you tell us how shaves his back with your assistance, or some such.

(I know I’ll regret that comment, as you will indeed give me one of your performance pieces in response.)

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 3:45 pm
Far boy

Stop pretendng youre some sort of renaissance man.

ignoring the odd rogue poll, the slapper has been on her large backside since she broke her pledge

I’m sure there was the odd rogue poll. However the people tend to ignore those except you.

Go have a Krispy.

JC

23 Nov 12 at 3:47 pm
These two meatheads would be the only two voters in the country openly enthusiastic in voting for her.

Au contraire JC…I’m sure SfB would be aggrieved about being left out of the anti-misogyny vigilante badass posse.

Skuter

23 Nov 12 at 3:48 pm
Yes, Lizzie, after admonishing me for what SFB thought I said, he now uses that as a license to slur an individual here, a personal attack. What a hypocrite he is but then we all know that anyway.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 3:49 pm
Shorter: Gab made me do it, says SFB.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 3:49 pm
Imagine a practitioner being involved in such a matter.

Weeping Wifey and Barefoot Bairns deprived of their justs by a bounder, cad and fraud. Aided by an officer of the court.

Pickles

23 Nov 12 at 3:50 pm
No personal benefit.

Struck off.

Three years clink.

No wonder she’s “ambiguous”

Yup. If Wilson is convicted of fraud channeled via AWU WRA, she will be cactus.

Young and naive won’t cut it.

Lazlo

23 Nov 12 at 3:50 pm
The statements made [to police today] cover:

1. The incorporation of the Australian Workers Union – Workplace Reform Association Inc in 1992. He, as the authorized officer of the association applied to incorporate the association to the Western Australian Commissioner of Corporate Affairs following legal advice from Slater & Gordon at their Melbourne offices.

2. The purchase of 85 Kerr Street, Fitzroy in the State of Victoria in 1993 in which Slater & Gordon acted as his lawyers in the transaction to purchase the property and acted as his lawyers in a loan in the sum of $150,000 secured against the property.

3. The operation of the AWU – Workplace Reform Association between 1992 and 1995 including the conduct of various parties involved in the renovation in 1994/5 of a property owned by Ms Gillard and located at 36 St Phillips Street, Abbotsford.

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2012/11/press-release-from-galbally-rolfe-lawyers-re-ralph-edwin-blewitt.html

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 3:53 pm
The complaint to Victoria Police by Mr Smith concerned the alleged creation of a false document, namely a Power of Attorney signed by our client but purporting to be witnessed by Ms Gillard, an offence pursuant to Section 83A of the Victorian Crimes Act .

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 3:56 pm
So are these ALP/Union plant in Theiss/Rio Tinto going to get questioned as well? What about this dodgy fence builder ala Town Mode?

.

23 Nov 12 at 3:59 pm
Lulz

http://www.electionnow.com.au/

.

23 Nov 12 at 4:00 pm
Ralph Blewitt talks about his day with Victoria Police

Apparently Blewitt is looking forward to Bishop questioning gillard next week.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 4:02 pm
[...] AWU scandal…TrackBack ” “He also then revealed that he and others such as Ralph Blewitt had been involved in [...]

telling snippets of (past) union behaviour … | pindanpost

23 Nov 12 at 4:02 pm
What about this dodgy fence builder…

The big greek bullshit artiste?

Rabz

23 Nov 12 at 4:03 pm
A lively Irish tune for the afternoon.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 4:04 pm
one of your performance pieces

Oh Stevie, you sweet thing you.

I’ll take that as a compliment.

I’ll dine in on it tonight.

And here’s a little hormonal tip for you. Some girls get a bit tetchy towards the end of the month. Not me of course, not me. But best to be cautious.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

23 Nov 12 at 4:05 pm
Nescafe powered the Allies in World War II.

As far as I’m aware, they were powered by amphetamines. Certainly the Brits. But anyway…

Oh come on

23 Nov 12 at 4:05 pm
Nescafe powered the Allies in World War II.

Oh come on

23 Nov 12 at 4:06 pm
Apparently Blewitt is looking forward to Bishop questioning gillard next week.

Yeah, he’s proving himself to be a really objective character in the matter, isn’t he Gab?

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 4:09 pm
I hope the police interview included something like this:

“And why are you concerned, Mr Blewitt, that your signature the Power of Attorney was not witnessed at the time you signed it?”

“Well, it’s just not right, is it, that Michael Smith lost his job.”.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 4:11 pm
Hooray!

Latest Media Watch Dog!

Rabz

23 Nov 12 at 4:12 pm
You should listen to the audio I linked, SFB, Ot’s only around 5min.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 4:12 pm
Bolt latest: Blewitt has lobbed at the station with documentation – including re renovations at Wilso and Gillard’s joint.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 4:14 pm
Re Skuter’s sexy crooked cop Jenna link…

This sounds very familiar, no?

Her barrister John Peluso told the court Ms Hughes had “got caught up with this crowd from (Kings) Cross” and “she was in love” with one of them.

Crown prosecutor Karl Prince agreed Hughes had “mixed with the wrong people” and was “easily manipulated by” men she was having relationships with.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 4:16 pm
m0nty, I will ask again.
Do you believe that the ALP will gain seats in QLD in the next federal election?

I do. Brisbane, Forde, Longman, Herbert, Dawson and Bonner all under 3% for the Libs. Last election had a significant Rudd effect on the Qld vote, which will be lessened this time.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 4:17 pm
Da House..She fall.

Pickles

23 Nov 12 at 4:17 pm
They will be +13 LNP next time.

.

23 Nov 12 at 4:18 pm
1939-1945 – During World War II instant coffee is very popular with the soldiers. Nescafe and other brands of instant coffee supply large quantities to a growing market. During one year of the war the U.S. military buys more than one million cases of Nescafe – their entire annual output of Nestle’s U.S. plant.

http://www.espressocoffeeguide.com/instant-coffee/history-of-instant-coffee/

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 4:19 pm
My thoughts precisely C.L.

Skuter

23 Nov 12 at 4:20 pm
She does seem to have a penchant for married men.

Once a married man is compromised, they are a lot easier to control, and um, ‘persuade’ to cough up certain goodies.

Jannie

23 Nov 12 at 4:20 pm
Gillard speaks!

I can’t recall.

Well that’s original.

C.L.

23 Nov 12 at 4:24 pm
Well SfB when you move to Altona you can be sure it’s a healthy place.

Ms Gillard was at Werribee today to launch Wyndham Healthy Communities at Wyndham City Council, said there had not been one substantiated allegation of wrong doing in the past 20 years.

Looks like she was quizzed by the press.

Please somebody as “Miss Gillard Bruce Wilson was married with children when he was your boyfriend. Did he have the house in his name to avoid a possible divorce property settlement?”

Gets it all out there. Homewrecker.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 4:25 pm
Ah, now that one really was a very hairy Irish ape, Gab. One of the original full-hair-growth models I think. Stevie is right, my Hairy Ape is clean-shaven and trimmed (sorry to make you cringe Stevie). I am not called Delilah for nothing.

A lively tune indeed. I think I know someone for whom it will provide a sing-along tonight when the Friday cheer kicks in.

I’ll hear it later when I return, because after dinner I am off to a special Girls’ Night Out. Wearing my fancy blue satin and frills laced-up corset (colour matches my eyes) and pink floral mini skirt and net stockings. It’s all girls, and a charity fund-raiser so it’s OK. Burlesque is the dress code. Dream on guys. We will all look so hot. We will be dancing to ‘Hot and Getting Hotter’ and some other raunchy tunes before we settle down and return home. That’s hormonal tip number two, Stevie. Girls just want to have fun.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

23 Nov 12 at 4:30 pm
Mk50,

Nothing

Nothing is a turd with the sh*t scraped off

Septimus

23 Nov 12 at 4:31 pm
Duckbum’s defence barrister for the 2014 trial has already been appointed:

Crown prosecutor Karl Prince agreed (Gillard) had “mixed with the wrong people” and was “easily manipulated by” men she was having relationships with.

Tom

23 Nov 12 at 4:39 pm
So Blewitt has no comment to make to the media on advice of Galbally, but gives a recorded interview to Smith? Then again Smith is not really a journalist at this point, is he. More of a freelance PR consultant.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 4:40 pm
Guess who?

Sorry, I’ve got that wrong haven’t I? I can’t even read my own writing.

Disclaimer: Image size reduced to prevent computer screen damage.

Rabz

23 Nov 12 at 4:43 pm
Nice Tom.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 4:44 pm
“Ralph, it’s been a privilege to spend time with you,” says Michael Smith to self-confessed fraudster Ralph Blewitt. “I see you as a person of truth in relation to what you’re saying now, and I’m pleased and proud to be associated with you, and I thank you for coming forward.”

Is this how an impartial journalist interviews a subject?

Sounds like a suckhole to me.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 4:45 pm
Was Smith ever a journalist? He’s been described as a broadcaster and he was in the army and the police, but he’s not claiming to be a journalist on his website.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 4:46 pm
m0nster, thanks for that- delusion confirmed.

Huckleberry Chunkwot

23 Nov 12 at 4:48 pm
Bush lawyering, by its very nature, is not worth spending much time correcting.

Oh, too much trouble responding to people here sfb? Not that your responses are of any value. But that’s a bit rich.
They are expected, nay, purposefully baited into responding to your and your cohort’s pixel wasting drivel every day of the week, numerous times a day.

blogstrop

23 Nov 12 at 4:53 pm
Is this how an impartial journalist interviews a subject?

Sounds like a suckhole to me.

As opposed to the part-foot-massage, part-tongue-bath approach habitually practised by our ABC on the high priests – and especially priestesses – of the ALP?

James in Melbourne

23 Nov 12 at 4:54 pm
Scapula, you don’t even qualify as a commenter.

blogstrop

23 Nov 12 at 4:54 pm
As opposed to the part-foot-massage, part-tongue-bath approach habitually practised by our ABC on the high priests – and especially priestesses – of the ALP?

None of them ever preface each question with, “Mate…”

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 4:56 pm
Penny Blewitt might be better qualified to speak about her older brother, so see Jon Faine for details.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 4:58 pm
There doesn’t have to be a wedding, just the well-timed announcement of The Engagement, a lovely Women’s Weekly spread and then the election announcement.

Hi Sinc my comment is still in moderation 8.52am.

Not sure what part is contentious as it only contains some innocuous pics of likely participants to any nuptuals that may be forthcoming if Ms Gillard can’t shake the AWU scandal.

I would like to add my choice for the MC at the reception and security.

Splatacrobat

23 Nov 12 at 4:59 pm
MISOGYNY UPDATE: MARK SCOTT MUSSELS UP FOR SENATE ESTIMATES

While o

n the topic of Mark Scott, MWD understands that the ABC managing director will advise Senate Estimates next week that Foreign Correspondent journalist Eric Campbell has breached the ABC’s Social Media Policy. At the previous Senate Estimates meeting, Mr Scott’s attention was drawn to a tweet which Eric Campbell sent out concerning Tony Abbott and his chief-of-staff Peta Credlin on 10 October 2010. It read as follows:

Complete this joke. Tony Abbott’s COS and a mussel walk into a bar. Ouch that hurt said the mussel. Why didn’t you duck? said the COS.

Pretty funny, don’t you think? Especially for a taxpayer funded foreign correspondent. However, the powers-that-be at the ABC did not think so. Not in these “Misogynists Beware” times. It remains to be seen precisely what will happen to the happy-tweeter Campbell. MWD suspects not very much at all. We’ll keep you posted.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 5:01 pm
She does seem to have a penchant for married men.
…
Once a married man is compromised, they are a lot easier to control, and um, ‘persuade’ to cough up certain goodies.

I have also wondered how someone who was implicated in ripping off the AWU (or at least concealing that fact), almost immediately manages to be parachuted in to a safe Federal Seat…

The fact that Wilson was not criminally pursued (and actualy paid ~~off~~ out) suggests that he may have had enoough “dirt” locked away to ensure this. And hence why it was covered up:

As we have discussed, you know as well as I do that if Cambridge is not stopped we are all history. I have spoken to Bill Kelty and Jennie George, and they are supportive of this course of action…

see Vic Hansard

There may have been pillow talk or better, this “dirt” may have been left in safekeeping of a certain lawyer…

Arnost

23 Nov 12 at 5:02 pm
The IPA owns the Drum so you can’t expect to win the tweets as well.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 5:04 pm
Any post with more than two links gets held up, IIRC.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 5:04 pm
More than three links and the comment doesn’t get through.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 5:05 pm
Penny Blewitt might be better qualified to speak about her older brother, so see Jon Faine for details.

I’m always careful to not put too much stock in family opinions. You can never know what happens in close relationships like that.

Hence I ignored the chatter about Kevin Rudd’s brother. Families have fallings out.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 5:11 pm
Yes, but Penny Blewitt is talking about a brother who is a self-confessed fraud and someone that everyone refers to as a ‘bagman’, which is usually understood as a thug who collects the proceeds from illegal activities such as extortion and passes them onto others engaged in the same criminal enterprise.

Its a little different from the Rudd situation, to say the least.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 5:16 pm
Scapula the facts are not in question. I’m just pointing out family relationships can be a bit funny.

She was probably disgraced after it came out for example.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 5:22 pm
She thinks Tim Mathieson is a great success because he has clearly improved Gillard’s haircut. (She’s right you know).

Tim needs to do more work around hiding those earlobes. They are about as big as Roy Rogers’ saddlebags.

Google enormous earlobes and you will find her top of the pops.

Splatacrobat

23 Nov 12 at 5:23 pm
I mean what sort of character would participate in the looting of the Kalgoorlie Miners Widow Fund?

A man with no character.

Gillard was involved in that as well.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 5:24 pm
None of them ever preface each question with, “Mate…”

No, that would be crass. Instead they lie, pimp and shill to show their guest and the ALP in the best possible light, while simultaneously manipulating both dialogue and footage to blacken, slime and malign the Coalition, all in the dedicated service of the “progressive” cause to which they have dedicated their lives.

But I repeat myself.

James in Melbourne

23 Nov 12 at 5:25 pm
LOL, Graham Birds next door neighbour spent way more than he did on Xmas lights this year.

jumpnmcar

23 Nov 12 at 5:26 pm
That’s funny!

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 5:28 pm
…a ‘bagman’, which is usually understood as a thug who collects the proceeds from illegal activities such as extortion…

That would be the bloke Gillard witnessed a POA for, was present when a house was bought in his name and was subsequently occupied by her boyfriend, did conveyancing work on his behalf, and wrote to the WA Corporate Affairs Commission to establish a ‘slush fund’ for him which he used for illegal activities.

You mean that bagman?

jupes

23 Nov 12 at 5:32 pm
“This is at the heart of the reason for the Royal Commission.”

OR its just yet another Gillard political ploy to attack Abbott through his links to the church.

Not that the Royal Commission isn’t needed, but its awfully politically convenient for Gillard to have church based scandals being drip fed to the media as an election approaches and she faces a former jesuit.

ugh

23 Nov 12 at 5:32 pm
“Is this how an impartial journalist interviews a subject?”

As opposed to Faine on the ABC interrupting and talking over Smith and Blewitt every time they were trying to make a point monty?

ugh

23 Nov 12 at 5:35 pm
Lawyers are the only people who can act on behalf of criminals with a good conscience.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 5:36 pm
Great get jumpinmycar!

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 5:36 pm
“Penny Blewitt might be better qualified to speak about her older brother”

Or she may hate his guts and have an axe to grind scapula.

ugh

23 Nov 12 at 5:37 pm
More of a freelance PR consultant.

You mean like gillzillas spinmeister, Jock McSporran?

Carpe Jugulum

23 Nov 12 at 5:39 pm
Lawyers are the only people who can act on behalf of criminals with a good conscience.

Sinc. Let’s just kill this ALP spam.

.

23 Nov 12 at 5:40 pm
Seconded.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 5:40 pm
Faine gave Blewitt plenty of opportunity to produce evidence, other than from Blewitt himself, with regard to the power of attorney and he had to rely on his own conjecture. So he has no evidence.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 5:44 pm
“Penny Blewitt might be better qualified to speak about her older brother”

That’s interesting. What’s the bet if we heard from Mrs. Emerson or Mrs. Wilson they would be derided as being unreliable or bitter.

Nic

23 Nov 12 at 5:45 pm
Never been in the ALP nor do I currently support it.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 5:46 pm
You mean like gillzillas spinmeister, Jock McSporran?

Yes Carpe, Michael Smith is about as independent as McTernan.

m0nty

23 Nov 12 at 5:48 pm
“More than three links and the comment doesn’t get through.

Thanks Gab.

Further selections for the happy day. Good luck Tim trying to make an honest woman of her!

Bridesmaid

Matron of Honour

Wedding singer

Splatacrobat

23 Nov 12 at 5:52 pm
Never been in the ALP nor do I currently support it.

Fuck no! I’d be beheaded i8n an instant by one of my co-tenants in the Tora Bora caves if they knew I supported a bourgeois Western democratic socialist party that allowed people to vote.

Tom

23 Nov 12 at 5:53 pm
Yaaa! out of mod.

Splatacrobat

23 Nov 12 at 5:57 pm
The Foxified Feral Right has a keen grasp on Bush’s failure to capture Bin Laden at Tora Bora; one needs a ‘Kenyan’ for that.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 5:59 pm
Yes Carpe, Michael Smith is ~~about as independent as~~ not suckling on the public tit like McTernan.

FTFY

Carpe Jugulum

23 Nov 12 at 5:59 pm
The Foxified Feral Right has a keen grasp on Bush’s failure to capture Bin Laden at Tora Bora; one needs a ‘Kenyan’ for that.

I watch Fox about once a month.

Yep, Obama did it all himself. Fuckhead.

.

23 Nov 12 at 6:03 pm
Splatacrobat – 5:52 pm

Please give a warning next time you post links. Laughing at the screen makes the wife think i’m senile.

Carpe Jugulum

23 Nov 12 at 6:04 pm
Mk50, thought you’d be interested in this analysis from this morning’s WSJ:

Israel lives in a bad neighborhood that has become more dangerous since the Arab Spring, and a case can be made for a cease-fire that buys perhaps a year or two of quiet on its southern front. Israel has at least degraded Hamas’s ability to attack if there is a war with Iran next year.

But Iran, whose missiles formed the bulk of Hamas’s arsenal, surely noticed that the Jewish state had an opportunity to strike a decisive military blow but declined to do so under world pressure. That can only embolden the mullahs as they prepare for the next, inevitable, confrontation.

The essential point is that, if Israel and Iran start shooting after January’s Israel elections, Bibi has reduced Hamas’s retaliatory weapons stockpile. His objective was achieved before the threatened ground invasion; Hamas was allowed to look like the “winner”.

Tom

23 Nov 12 at 6:06 pm
The Foxified Feral Right has a keen grasp on Bush’s failure to capture Bin Laden at Tora Bora; one needs a ‘Kenyan’ for that.

That would be the kenyan who has left the doctor that helped them rotting in a Pakistani prison.

Yep, power ranger bronco bamma is such a hero.

Carpe Jugulum

23 Nov 12 at 6:07 pm
I’m glad I was the occasion for such a strident defence of social democracy at Catallaxy, a first surely?

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 6:07 pm
You mean, Tom, if Israel attacks Iran.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 6:08 pm
The Red Dalek ticks off a journalist for rolling their eyes at Gillard’s latest answer. Should make interesting video on the nightly news.

Cold-Hands

23 Nov 12 at 6:16 pm
Speaking of the kenyan;

Washington — Peace, one of two turkeys pardoned by President Obama last year, was euthanized Monday, according to an official who insisted the timing of the death – days before the Thanksgiving holiday – was not suspicious.

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/214301.php

lol

Carpe Jugulum

23 Nov 12 at 6:21 pm
Hamas was allowed to look like the “winner”.

Hamas emboldened by Iran. Neither of them will stop as their objective is the annihilation of Israel, including it’s 1.6 million Arab inhabitants. The only democracy over there and they want it gone so much that that is all Hamas focuses upon. Not interested in governing, just a war over something that happened a long long time ago.

Golda Meir was right.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 6:22 pm
A false attestation.

dot, by that so you mean signing as a witness to a signature when she wasn’t present when the document was signed?

SteveC

23 Nov 12 at 6:23 pm
Why would Palestinians want to kill 1.6 million Palestinians living in Israel?

You can’t use the possessive properly, so back to grammar school with you, Gab!

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 6:24 pm
The Red Dalek ticks off a journalist for rolling their eyes at Gillard’s latest answer.

Really? Hilarious but serves them right for all their pandering and fawning. She’s treated them like little children for years and they lap it up. And now the Red Flamingo gets cranky with them for being disobedient. What a bunch of yokels.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 6:26 pm
Shut up, Scrappy. You have no knowledge on the issue. And you lack comprehension. Read again what I wrote but slowly and let it sink in. Idiot.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 6:29 pm
I see they are repeating Kitchen Confidential on ABC1 on Thursday night now.

Last night, I saw for the first time the one with Christopher Pyne and Amanda Vanstone.

I have to say, given that the interviewees are in a situation they can be more relaxed, and perhaps more likeable, I thought Pyne in particular came out as rather less likeable than I expected. Even Vanstone came out as more bombastic than I would have thought.

Pyne said he doesn’t have any friends in Labor, and this inability to have cross party friendships strikes me as a bad sign in a politician. He also made it clear he doesn’t like Gillard at a personal level (maybe it was the mincing poodle jibe, who knows?) and said he thought she was too disloyal.

Pyne apparently can’t even cook a steak, and had to have Amanda over to do a meal.

Given that Joe Hockey cooked only sausages and an iceberg lettuce leaf and tomato salad on his episode, is it compulsory for Coalition male politicians to be absolutely useless in the kitchen and unable to read recipe books?

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 6:30 pm
Scrappy, does Sinclair force you to make comment on every single comment made by other people?

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 6:31 pm
Given that Joe Hockey cooked only sausages and an iceberg lettuce leaf and tomato salad on his episode, is it compulsory for Coalition male politicians to be absolutely useless in the kitchen and unable to read recipe books?

Yes stepford.

JC

23 Nov 12 at 6:33 pm
Gab, Blind Freddy could tell the radical Arabs (and the Persians) that, if they keep pursuing the violent Jewish annihilation fantasy, it will end catastrophically for them. Needless to say, rational thought is virtually absent in the radicalised Arab world and their fabulous economies reflect their political leaders’ duncedom and disinterest in living standards and wealth creation.

Tom

23 Nov 12 at 6:33 pm
Yes, JC, we know you have all the right qualifications to be a Liberal MP: your Mum fed you and ironed your jeans until you married and then you had your wife cook for you and iron your jeans.

Can you even operate a Bar-b-q, by the way?

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 6:36 pm
then you had your wife cook for you and iron your jeans.

Oh the oppression of it all.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 6:37 pm
Yes, the old weapons of mass deception/annihilation lies need to be trotted out, Tom! Anything to justify another war of aggression in the Middle East.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 6:38 pm
Blind Freddy

I’m tipping Blind Freddy has a higher IQ than Scrappy Do Doo.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 6:38 pm
Gab,

Proverbs 23:9
New King James Version (NKJV)
9 Do not speak in the hearing of a fool,
For he will despise the wisdom of your words

(disclaimer: I am not in any way religious but some of the bibles teachings do seem wise )

jumpnmcar

23 Nov 12 at 6:39 pm
Some evening music for SFB.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 6:42 pm
All men over the age of 25 need to have basic kitchen abilities, Gab; especially married men who are certainly at some point in time have going to have to feed themselves and the kid/s while their mother is sick, away or in hospital pushing out another one.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 6:43 pm
Wisdom is in short supply around here. It’s (note to Gab) a site devoted to peremptory denunciations, such as yours jumpnmcar.

But points for hiding your prejudice behind a pretty passage.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 6:44 pm
Thanks for that, Nanny SFB.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 6:45 pm
I recall Barnaby Joyce seemed to cook something decent on Kitchen Cabinet. Though the wisdom of cooking a meat based dish for a vegetarian was questionable!

SteveC

23 Nov 12 at 6:45 pm
SFB = Shit For Brains. Surely?

Nic

23 Nov 12 at 6:50 pm
ABCs PM have finally discovered the AWU scandal.

I’m pretty sure this is the first mention. Quite a record for a scandal that has been reported for 12 months.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 6:51 pm
JC, this analysis also caught my eye over breakfast this morning:

This week’s gridlock over Greece’s next round of bailout funds underscores an unsettling reality that Europeans would do well to realize sooner rather than later: For Greece, default is the only option.

Indeed, a managed write-down in the near future will bring about the best possible outcome for all concerned parties: the Greek people, their investors and the politicians who have staked their careers on combating the crisis. The current economic, financial, political and social environment cannot endure the status quo.

As an aside, I have learned a shocking fact about the Balkans economy, where I am at the moment: In the economic decline that followed the Balkans war in the 1990s (when NATO bombs reigned down on Belgrade, the landscape outside my window), the middle class disappeared. They became the poor. Scary. No wonder the joint is a mess and the macro-European landscape inspires little confidence. By chance, I met the Serbian Foreign Minister Ivan Mrkić in the local ruling class restaurant yesterday; I suspect they still think like the Tito socialist regime.

Tom

23 Nov 12 at 6:54 pm
DaveF, the ABC has been full of the AWU scandal.

Its most intelligent presenter on this issue is Jon Faine.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 6:58 pm
Though the wisdom of cooking a meat based dish for a vegetarian was questionable!

That’s funny – Amanda Vanstone’s dish was a meat one last too, and I noticed Annabel not touching the steak in it.

Is that another requirement of being a Coaltion MP: insensitivity to guests?

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 6:59 pm
feed themselves and the kid/s while their mother is sick, away or in hospital pushing out another one.

What, you never heard of take away food. It is very common apparently.

Carpe Jugulum

23 Nov 12 at 7:00 pm
Thanks for that, Nanny SFB.

Gab, men who profess not to be able to cook annoy me. It not a matter of ability – following home cooking recipes is not hard; it is simply laziness.

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 7:02 pm
You’re not big on the old “live and let live” theme, are ya SFB? You’re also not big on the important matters in life, preferring to focus and exaggerate the minutia. I’m not getting into a stupid argument with over what Liberal MPs can or cannot cook. It does not matter at the polling booth.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 7:05 pm
Doh! … rained down …

Tom

23 Nov 12 at 7:06 pm
Please give a warning next time you post links. Laughing at the screen makes the wife think i’m senile.

Carpe, try looking at the pics in my post 8.52 this morning now it’s out of mod.

Warning: my choice for Julia’s marriage celebrant is rather disturbing

Splatacrobat

23 Nov 12 at 7:08 pm
Not PM Scapula. The sneering Mark Colvin never touched it.

Seriously when he is absent you notice the entire tone of the program changes.

But I won’t criticise him anymore because he’s dying.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 7:09 pm
Wisdom is in short supply around here.

Go away then.

Lazlo

23 Nov 12 at 7:10 pm
I have to say, given that the interviewees are in a situation they can be more relaxed, and perhaps more likeable, I thought Pyne in particular came out as rather less likeable than I expected. Even Vanstone came out as more bombastic than I would have thought.

I only saw half (first half) of it, but I thought they came out of it pretty well.

Gab, men who profess not to be able to cook annoy me. It not a matter of ability – following home cooking recipes is not hard; it is simply laziness.

I was surprised about Hockey and other politicians who can’t cook simply because of the amount of time they spend away from home in Canberra. That’s a lot of restaurant/takeaway food and personally I’d get rather bored of that after a while (let alone the cost and health affects).

What, you never heard of take away food. It is very common apparently.

That’s true, though it’s probably a sad sign of how little time politicians get to spend alone with their children rather than just being backup-parent. Not intended to be a criticism of Lib politicians as no doubt there are many ALP MPs in similar circumstances. More a comment on how family unfriendly the life of a politician is.

Chris

23 Nov 12 at 7:10 pm
You’re not big on the old “live and let live” theme, are ya SFB?

Says the woman who wants a politician crucified for having a crooked boyfriend 18 years ago. Or who thought it was all perfectly OK for the boys here to call Fluke a slut for arguing a policy on contraception. Or who got upset that more women voted for Obama because most “think with their ovaries”.

You are only marginally ahead of CL in the category of “people who can only ludicrously claim that others should ‘live and let live’”

steve from brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 7:13 pm
The Red Dalek ticks off a journalist for rolling their eyes at Gillard’s latest answer. Should make interesting video on the nightly news.

That’s extremely insulting and mysoginist. Almost as bad as looking at your watch.

Lazlo

23 Nov 12 at 7:17 pm
Splatacrobat @ 1908

now that is clever!! good choices – all fit her profile beautifully.

Would Emerson dance and serenade at the foot of the bridal bed?????

Mike

Mike of Marion

23 Nov 12 at 7:18 pm
Its most intelligent presenter on this issue is Jon Faine.

BBBBWWWWWWAAAaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Champagne Comedy.

Carpe Jugulum

23 Nov 12 at 7:18 pm
..a self-confessed fraud and someone that everyone refers to as a ‘bagman’, which is usually understood as a thug who collects the proceeds from illegal activities such as extortion and passes them onto others engaged in the same criminal enterprise.

But, but.. Faine, who you adore, was chastising The Oz today for not portraying Blewitt as a nave. They were consistently calling him a bagman today.

The left and hypocrisy: you know it makes sense.

Lazlo

23 Nov 12 at 7:28 pm
Tom

I am dubious regarding the WSJ article. I think the flaw in it lies in considering the last few days as a discrete event. It isn’t, it’s just one incomplete action in an attenuated war. Yes, of course the terrorists claimed victory, they always do, and such claims are quite irrelevant.

What was the Hamas tactical intent? That’s pretty opaque, but part of it seems to have been to consolidate their position in the face of the five other salafist groups in Gaza which are challenging them for power. Only they lost control of it and the Israeli’s started decapitating them. That seems to have weakened them against the other salafist groups – hence the truce condition of ‘no killing our leaders’. They have never made that a condition before.

The israelis have achieved several aims. They have certainly wounded Hamas, and they have also smashed most of the tunnels under the border to Egypt (witness the current shortages in the most smuggled items: certain luxury goods, mobile phones, high-end consumer items, tobacco, alcohol etc).

That’s apparently enough for now – and they only have five Iron Dome batteries in service (one completed at the rush and brought into service several months early). The system is still in development and they are fielding pre-production models and prototypes. They have certainly not yet intagrated Iron Dome, I-Hawk and Patriot into a three-layered anti-missile system as part of their ADGE yet.

Also, the truce is very early days yet, this may just be a 72 hour pause. We don’t know.

Also of interest is the new geograpic flux, for Hamas has more than doubled the operational effect of Gaza via use of Fajr-5 rockets: these range 48 miles and reach across teh country to its capital, Jerusalem. This gives Hamas the ability to murder civilians in Israel’s most liberal (because most beyond range) population centers. Netahyahu will want this fact to be absorbed: Tel Aviv’s liberal progressives are within reach of Hamas now, and that is going to change their view of ‘peace’ with these terrorist murderers. They also live in Sderot, now. They now have time to absorb that fact – and it will move them away from accommodations with these murderers.
‘The old border is obsolete; new technology and weapons have created a new geopolitical reality.’

None of this is reflected in the WSJ article – it’s superficial IMHO.

Israel needs time to deploy and productionise Iron Dome against the real threat, the 12,000-19,000 medium to heavy Iranian artillery rockets south of the Litani, and for the hitherto safe ‘most progressive’ populations to absorb the fact that they are targets too, now.

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 7:31 pm
Says the woman who wants a politician crucified for having a crooked boyfriend 18 years ago.

“Says the womean” – you know gillard has called Abbott a misogynist for saying something very similar, doncha!?

I have never once said I want her crucified. Show me the evidence!!

Or who thought it was all perfectly OK for the boys here to call Fluke a slut for arguing a policy on contraception.

“Or who thought” – you’re a mind reader too?

Boys? Hardly. Unlike you, SFB I don’t delude myself into thinking I can control people here. This is a very free speechy site as demonstrated by you saying you wante to slap me. You’re not very big on the live and let live” thing, are you. No.

Or who got upset that more women voted for Obama because most “think with their ovaries”.

I’d prefer if they thought with their brains, yes. Sue me.

You are only marginally ahead of CL

Ah, it’s always “CLCLCL” with you.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 7:34 pm
So you hope for an Israeli attack on Iran as well as Gaza, MK50?

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 7:39 pm
I’d like to know if Wilson was married at the time.?
Was it an “affair” or was he separated ?

jumpnmcar

23 Nov 12 at 7:39 pm
men who profess not to be able to ~~cook~~ work, provide for their family and pay tax, annoy me. It not a matter of ability – ~~following home cooking recipes is not hard~~ being normal; it is simply ~~laziness~~ impossible for me.

Fixed for you. No need to thank me.

Tiny Dancer

23 Nov 12 at 7:43 pm
The Magic Negro identifies strongly with turkeys.

H B Bear

23 Nov 12 at 7:45 pm
I see our pet racist and anti-semite is starting to gibber about Jews again. The foul little freak is obsessed.

By the look of his inchoate drivel, he’s hoping for the Iranians to make good on their stated desire to nuke Tel Aviv.

Funny, how Crapulon the anti-semite seems to have ‘unfortunate trouser incidents’ over the thought of another genocide.

Also funny is that while teh Israeli’s have been a defacto nuclear power since the mid 1960s (probably), no-one is concerned in the slightest about an Israeli use of nukes offensively.

Also funny is how anti-semites like Crapulon are desperately concerned about the possibility that Israel might take action against Iran which might ruin its chances of conducting a second Holocaust.

Why, it’s almost like they want the world Judenfrei….

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 7:48 pm
Thanks Mk50. Valuable.
————————————————

Gab, when attempting to communicate with the left, it’s handy to remember they relate to the world like traumatised, intellectually disadvantaged children whose pretend world is inhabited by scary monsters projecting frightening shadows on the wall: e.g. RupertRupertRupert, GinaGinaGina, WWW and AbbottAbbottAbbott.

Tom

23 Nov 12 at 7:48 pm
The Wall Street Journal is owned by Murdoch
Murdoch puts Israel before journalism
Therefore the WSJ is not a good source for journalism on the ME

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 7:52 pm
Seems like a reasonable question Scapula was asking Mark.

sdfc

23 Nov 12 at 7:53 pm
Mark Colvin sees himself as an anointed senior statesman of the ALPBC, a modern day Renaissance man, a Christopher Hitchens type.

The reality is closer to that fat kid from Lord of the Flies.

H B Bear

23 Nov 12 at 7:55 pm
Sound familiar?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9696389/Call-a-truce-before-centuries-of-free-speech-are-brought-to-an-end.html

Viva

23 Nov 12 at 7:55 pm
Good boy, Crappy. You keep giving the folks at Tora Bora and Mogadishu your intelligence about how the world really works. So sophisticated. They’ll thank you. But isn’t it funny how you’ve never found an ASIS/ASIO/CIA bug?

Tom

23 Nov 12 at 8:01 pm
More recent history, Tommy

The american-backed rawandan regime just sent m23 over the border into the Congo and Rawanda is joining Australia on the Security Council.

The american-backed israeli regime just …

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 8:14 pm
Why do you assume every action America takes is supported/motivated by the Right?

Anyone with who has opened a newspaper/read wiki-leaks knows the US State Department is run and staffed by multi-cult drones wanting to ensure that Latvia’s commitment to LGTG rights improves by instituting a ‘Gay day’ or some such.

Even when the neocon whack jobs had the reins their brief was ‘spreading democracy’.

Greg P.

23 Nov 12 at 8:24 pm
The foul little freak is obsessed.

The obession appears the other way to me. Started on the turps a bit early tonight, Mk50?

SteveC

23 Nov 12 at 8:27 pm
The United States IS NOT a conservative/right-wing nation.

It is a neo-Bolshevist state. It’s foreign policy is also motivated by such

idiocy

motivations.

At the least those of us on the Right need to acknowledge this. The Left still need a great satan to hurl shit at during their ’2 hours of blog trolling hate’ so let them have at it. But fuck defending the yanks these days.

Greg P.

23 Nov 12 at 8:29 pm
… while their mother is sick, away or in hospital pushing out another one.

Oh, the empathy, sfb. Do you even have a family, or is your whole shabby persona a complete fabrication? You’re a disgrace on every level.

blogstrop

23 Nov 12 at 8:37 pm
Steve’s obviously a manogynist.

sdfc

23 Nov 12 at 8:39 pm
The reality is closer to that fat kid from Lord of the Flies.

Kill the pig …. kill the pig!*

(Apologies to Golding)

* Not a death threat.

Septimus

23 Nov 12 at 8:45 pm
SDFC

are you still running around believing that Australia was saved from depression as a result of the Lurch Rudd insulation fiasco.

JC

23 Nov 12 at 8:48 pm
The cash hand outs in late 2008 and early 2009 were effective in injecting cash into the economy when RGDI was sinking like a stone.

sdfc

23 Nov 12 at 8:52 pm
…when RGDI was sinking like a stone.

Nominal GDP not RGDI.

JC

23 Nov 12 at 8:53 pm
I’ve read this op-ed in the WSJ since 1988 and I still love it. It’s been going since the early 60′s every Thanks Giving Day.

Anyone whose labors take him into the far reaches of the country, as ours lately have done, is bound to mark how the years have made the land grow fruitful.

This is indeed a big country, a rich country, in a way no array of figures can measure and so in a way past belief of those who have not seen it. Even those who journey through its Northeastern complex, into the Southern lands, across the central plains and to its Western slopes can only glimpse a measure of the bounty of America.

And a traveler cannot but be struck on his journey by the thought that this country, one day, can be even greater. America, though many know it not, is one of the great underdeveloped countries of the world; what it reaches for exceeds by far what it has grasped.

So the visitor returns thankful for much of what he has seen, and, in spite of everything, an optimist about what his country might be. Yet the visitor, if he is to make an honest report, must also note the air of unease that hangs everywhere.

For the traveler, as travelers have been always, is as much questioned as questioning. And for all the abundance he sees, he finds the questions put to him ask where men may repair for succor from the troubles that beset them.

His countrymen cannot forget the savage face of war. Too often they have been asked to fight in strange and distant places, for no clear purpose they could see and for no accomplishment they can measure. Their spirits are not quieted by the thought that the good and pleasant bounty that surrounds them can be destroyed in an instant by a single bomb. Yet they find no escape, for their survival and comfort now depend on unpredictable strangers in far-off corners of the globe.

How can they turn from melancholy when at home they see young arrayed against old, black against white, neighbor against neighbor, so that they stand in peril of social discord. Or not despair when they see that the cities and countryside are in need of repair, yet find themselves threatened by scarcities of the resources that sustain their way of life. Or when, in the face of these challenges, they turn for leadership to men in high places—only to find those men as frail as any others.

So sometimes the traveler is asked whence will come their succor. What is to preserve their abundance, or even their civility? How can they pass on to their children a nation as strong and free as the one they inherited from their forefathers? How is their country to endure these cruel storms that beset it from without and from within?

Of course the stranger cannot quiet their spirits. For it is true that everywhere men turn their eyes today much of the world has a truly wild and savage hue. No man, if he be truthful, can say that the specter of war is banished. Nor can he say that when men or communities are put upon their own resources they are sure of solace; nor be sure that men of diverse kinds and diverse views can live peaceably together in a time of troubles.

But we can all remind ourselves that the richness of this country was not born in the resources of the earth, though they be plentiful, but in the men that took its measure. For that reminder is everywhere—in the cities, towns, farms, roads, factories, homes, hospitals, schools that spread everywhere over that wilderness.

We can remind ourselves that for all our social discord we yet remain the longest enduring society of free men governing themselves without benefit of kings or dictators. Being so, we are the marvel and the mystery of the world, for that enduring liberty is no less a blessing than the abundance of the earth.

And we might remind ourselves also, that if those men setting out from Delftshaven had been daunted by the troubles they saw around them, then we could not this autumn be thankful for a fair land.

JC

23 Nov 12 at 9:06 pm
sdfc, Crapulon has revealed himself to be a conspiracy theorist, a racist, an anti-semite, and a supporter of terrorist organisations.

He is, I suppose, the Compleat Leftard. I treat him with the contempt he merits.

Look at his 2014 above, for an example. In Crapulon-world, Murdoch is a latter-day Spider of the Escorial, directly controlling every word News Ltd publishes, all in the service of his Zionist masters.

He’s a nutter.

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 9:09 pm
And, sadly, not even amusing (unlike Birdie)

Cato the Elder

23 Nov 12 at 9:11 pm
Apologies folks, bit of uncharacteristic crassness there at 4.31pm – suitably ignored by all and sundry. Feeling a bit more mellow now after a few wines – and the soothing eloquence of Janis Ian.

Septimus

23 Nov 12 at 9:13 pm
Sorry JC brother in law’s jsut turned up.

sdfc

23 Nov 12 at 9:14 pm
AFP reports that “twelve rockets fired from the Gaza Strip hit Israel on Wednesday in the first hours that followed a ceasefire agreement ending hostilities in the week-long Gaza conflict, a police spokesman told AFP.”

It was never a case of if, but when Hamas was going to violate the truce. Now if Israel so much as sneezes in their direction they’ll put on a show worthy of a professional soccer player; the kind that can fall down at a moment’s notice to fake a foul and writhe in pain as if he were at death’s door. And then, when the foul on the other player is called on the basis of his shamming, the player gets up and runs off like a gazelle, none the worse for wear grinning from ear to ear. And then he does it again in the next half hour.

Basically Hamas is going to kill you from stress. From the suppressed rage of having to bear the sheer brazen effrontery of their behavior. But the fault does not lie with Hamas; they do it because they can get away with it; rather the blame lies exclusively with the chumps who keep believing them. Like the Republicans keep believing the Democrats.

You basically have to make a decision not to listen or even pretend to listen. The channel is poisoned. There’s not an ounce of truth in it any more. Why does anyone keep negotiating with Hamas? For the same reason they keep tuning into MSNBC.

Belmont Club, comment 31, by wretchard himself.

” .. they keep tuning in to MSNBC”, or we here to the ABC. How do you ignore a so-called national broadcaster. Henderson notes that it is now 317 weeks since Mark Scott took over and promised that there would be a greater variety of voices heard from that organisation. As I’ve noted before, the staff will put new missionaries in a big pot of boiling water unless they convert, go native. So that’s what happens. Shier was boiled, McDonald and Scott went native.

blogstrop

23 Nov 12 at 9:18 pm
JC I think Monty done you up thread about the 2Pp thing.

Pickles

23 Nov 12 at 9:18 pm
Hamas is a national liberation movement.

Any other descriptor is a partisan statement.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 9:24 pm
You must be very proud of this one, Sinc.

blogstrop

23 Nov 12 at 9:25 pm
Sept, one of my fave catholic blogs posted the Credo for Thanksgiving, which is awesome, and from there I’ve moved onto this. One of the finest music videos I’ve seen.

I can watch it over and over again. It also helps that the music is rocking along.

nilk

23 Nov 12 at 9:33 pm
The United States IS NOT a conservative/right-wing nation.

It is a neo-Bolshevist state. It’s foreign policy is also motivated by such idiocy

No. Try again.
I agree that they need radical reform of their foreign policy but the united states is not a “neo-Bolshevist state”.

dd

23 Nov 12 at 9:33 pm
JC bull RGDP sinking not nominal
still sinking – come on dont be miserable just because it ws a labor treasurer
praised for the speed of their response to the GFC on the international stage.
Or should the government have given the cash handouts to your bank like the stupid yanks did?
sdfc is right

Alice

23 Nov 12 at 9:34 pm
Hamas is a national liberation movement.

…that wants to destroy the state of Israel. They do not support Palestinian independence, they support Palestinian conquest of Israal. This is perhaps the most crucial distinction that so many commentators overlook.

Any other descriptor is a partisan statement.

well, your descriptor was pro-Hamas partisan, so that makes any statement about Hamas at all, ‘partisan.’

dd

23 Nov 12 at 9:35 pm
For those of you wondering about etiquette, let this be your guide.

Condiser this your educational moment for the evening.

nilk

23 Nov 12 at 9:38 pm
Crapulon the racist and anti-semite:

Hamas is a national liberation movement.

Here’s some quotes from the Hamas Charter with which this filthy anti-semite agrees

“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.” (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

“Hamas believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. ”

“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.”

“Allah promised that the Jews will be murdered, and the Hamas “aspires to the realisation of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take.”

“Therefore we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews.”

“After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying.”

Crapulon is a contemptible cur.

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 9:39 pm
You issued a partisan qualification, not a neutral descriptor.

Zionism was a national liberation movement …

that destroyed the homeland of the Palestinian people.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 9:40 pm
The Palestinians had their chance in 1948 to live in peace with the Israelis. They chose war and have had their arses kicked ever since, because they can’t recognise defeat.

Of course if the surrounding Arab countries had assisted the Palestinian refugees resettle instead of putting them in refugee camps, we have had peace by now.

But no, the Arabs seem to have a vested interest in making the poor old Palestinians victims, because being a victim is so much easier than learning how to live a good, productive life.

Rococo Liberal

23 Nov 12 at 9:49 pm
Now that we know about hubbies false teeth, I’m looking forward to the next thrilling episode, when you tell us how shaves his back with your assistance, or some such.

Priceless.

The banal creepiness of that commenter knows no bounds.

catnip

23 Nov 12 at 9:50 pm
Well, Scapula, I guess you’d disagree with Dennis Prager then.

nilk

23 Nov 12 at 9:51 pm
Vae victis

Rococo Liberal

23 Nov 12 at 9:53 pm
Prager is an extreme Zionist, although he had a rather interesting piece about why Jews are pro=choice that I read.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 10:27 pm
The Jews and the Jordanians colluded to carve up Palsestine between them in 1948 and the Palestinians did not choose anything. They were attacked and cleansed from their homeland.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 10:30 pm
Scapula – don’t be so boring. The Palestinians lost the war in ’47, ’56′, ’67, ’73, etc. etc. etc. They have got to get over it and on with it.

Sinclair Davidson

23 Nov 12 at 10:32 pm
I agree, The Pals seem to be rather useless people, except for breeding that is.

Greg P.

23 Nov 12 at 10:33 pm
The end of one war creates the seeds for the beginning of the next war.

It does get boring, but the reality is that MK50 is the one who can’t resist playing the spkesperson for the Likud.

And writing line after line of fervent prose.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 10:39 pm
And writing line after line of fervent prose.

Pot, meet kettle.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 10:41 pm
The Palestinians might win the long war given their birth rates. The current stuff is (boring) window dressing.

Greg P.

23 Nov 12 at 10:42 pm
Israel is where the Peace Now Left becomes the War Left. a little bit similar to where 9/11 led to what is called war libertarians

my position is revanchism – the desire to reverse territorial losses – is a recipe for endless wars. The Warmongering Left has other views.

Israel gave back territory when it withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 1995. Did it get peace in return?

Gaza was never part of Israel. Egypt occupied it for most of the time prior to the 1967 war.

Jim Rose

23 Nov 12 at 10:42 pm
I promise to cease and desist from the Palestinian issue, but you do realise there was just another war so it kind of made sense to discuss it, and hope and entreat mk50 to do likewise.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 10:43 pm
Though they’re up against Jewish IQ/tech.

Probably a matter of if the Israelis hold their nerve (ie don’t succumb to modern western liberal idiocy) or not.

Greg P.

23 Nov 12 at 10:45 pm
The palmer report is 2011 said that:

The naval blockade was imposed as a legitimate security measure in order to prevent weapons from entering Gaza by sea and its implementation complied with the requirements of international law.

see http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/world/middleeast/02flotilla.html?_r=0

Jim Rose

23 Nov 12 at 10:46 pm
Sorry, Jewish money too, so factor in possible decline in the US.

But versus rise in the mid-east? Probably not.

Greg P.

23 Nov 12 at 10:46 pm
In any case moral questions are a waste of everyone’s god damned fucking time and best left to left-wing skirt lifters.

Greg P.

23 Nov 12 at 10:47 pm
The right are always claiming to be acting for moral reasons, like liberty, freedom, etc., so their panties are showing too.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 10:50 pm
The Palestinians might win the long war given their birth rates.

However infant mortality is quadruple to that of Israel. The maternal mortality rate is 9 times higher than Israel.

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 10:51 pm
Yes the whole liberty thing pisses me off too.

Notice ‘open borders’ is never advocated for Israel.

Greg P.

23 Nov 12 at 10:52 pm
Always? Really?

Sinclair Davidson

23 Nov 12 at 10:53 pm
A libertarian arguing against Palestinians may want to explain the trade impact of a closed off state too.

Greg P.

23 Nov 12 at 10:54 pm
It seems that people can’t get enough of the Israel-Palestine wars.

Palestinians won’t win the demographic war because they’ll be ‘caserned’ in bantustans.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 10:55 pm
What is “caserned’? The nly reason the Palestinians face any disadvantage is because their leadership refuse to acknowledge that after giving it a red hot go that they lost. Nothing wrong with that. Plan B should be “Make profit not war”.

Sinclair Davidson

23 Nov 12 at 11:00 pm
I don’t know about that, the Israelis are showing signs of weakness, imho.

The go on a ‘wog stomp’ expedition every couple of years but that’s about it. The settler thing is a drop in the ocean.

Maybe they want the US to weaken so they can really act. Then , i guess, it gets down to a tail or dog argument.

Greg P.

23 Nov 12 at 11:02 pm
Mostly, then, there is a more amoral right that argues with Thrasymachus that ‘might is right’ and that international relations are about Realpolitik, but its not much in evidence outside small intellectual circles.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 11:02 pm
Caserned from the French caserne, a word I turned into English, which is basically what Gaza is.

The Palestinians are quite entrepreneurial, but you need peaceful conditions for that and they exist only for Palestinians of the diaspora.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 11:06 pm
Well said, Barry. Hope you mean it.

NSW will block the Gillard government’s attempts to gag the media if it pushes ahead with a plan to strip newspapers of privacy protections unless they submit to government-imposed self regulators.

Premier Barry O’Farrell has revealed proposals expected to go before the federal cabinet next week could be in conflict with current NSW laws, and would be scuttled by the state government if they were sought to be introduced.

Mr O’Farrell, in a letter to News Limited CEO Kim Williams, said he would reject any attempts by the Commonwealth to water down existing NSW media shield laws, which among other things protect the identity of sources, claiming such a move would be an “insidious assault on the freedoms of Australians”.

“I am alarmed and disturbed that these freedoms, which I believe are fundamental to a strong liberal democracy and robust free market economy, are under threat from Commonwealth actions,” Mr O’Farrell said.

“Plans by senior Commonwealth ministers for regulators with ‘more teeth’ in association with the context of proposals by the Commonwealth government’s reviews are, in my view, antithetic in a liberal democracy and an insidious assault on the freedoms of Australians…”

Gab

23 Nov 12 at 11:07 pm
Oh come on, if I was running Israel I’d be getting out my tactical nukes, colouring in the Gaza strip and pressing the green button.

Western powers have done this only 68 years ago. I’m sure many within Israel are thinking the same thing.

But they depend on the US for financial and military support. That deal cuts both ways. Anti-Zionists like to point out how much sway the Israel lobby has in the US, and they are right, but look how much it reigns in Israel too.

Greg P.

23 Nov 12 at 11:09 pm
Crapulon, most of my ‘fervent prose’ describes you in the terms you deserve. I despise racists, I despise anti-semites, and I despise vapid poseurs who support terrorist barbarians against the civilised, yet who themselves enjoy the benefits of civilisation.

You merely make the trifecta.

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 11:16 pm
Steve’s obviously a manogynist.

sdfc, Manogynist doesnt really work, an account of the gyno root. Man-hater, is more accurate, but too obvious for the Intelligensia.

How about ‘Blokist’?

Jannie

23 Nov 12 at 11:22 pm
Fantastic – liberty quote

Sinclair Davidson

23 Nov 12 at 11:27 pm
The one by Marlo Lewis is excellent BTW.

Greg P.

23 Nov 12 at 11:29 pm
Scrapula is a troll. He/she has no interest in promoting debate or the pursuit of truth.

He/she should fuck off out of here..

Lazlo

23 Nov 12 at 11:30 pm
‘Pursuit of truth’ – a high moral purpose which, yes, I try to avoid.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 11:31 pm
A load of fucking shit you fascist troll.

Just hear it: stop attacking Israel with rockets.

OK?

Lazlo

23 Nov 12 at 11:34 pm
There’s an old thought model.
Imagine that all weapons of all sorts possessed by the pallies magically vanished but the Israelis kept theirs. What would be the result?
Peace in the Middle east.

Imagine that all weapons of all sorts possessed by the Israelis magically vanished but the arabs kept theirs. What would be the result?
A second Holocaust in the Middle east.

Says it all, really.

Mk50 of Brisbane

23 Nov 12 at 11:46 pm
So who wrote that?

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 11:47 pm
Disagree.

Imagine a world without the US. This is the true game.

Possibly better for Israel.

Greg P.

23 Nov 12 at 11:49 pm
The Slapper set up an entity that was used to defraud.

As an officer of the court she is gone. Pronto..

Lazlo

23 Nov 12 at 11:54 pm
how much sway the Israel lobby has in the US, and they are right, but look how much it reigns in Israel too.

Yes I have to agree.

The Israel lobby is likely to be the dominant force in Israel.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 11:56 pm
is it compulsory for Coalition male politicians to be absolutely useless in the kitchen and unable to read recipe books?

Stevie’s off on an extended rave about cooking. There a little trope in his head about it, and so it comes up everywhere. Stepford by name and nature.

Here you are, Stevie. Poulet aux Noix, Elizabeth David. Peasant food for you.

“Prepare a concentrated stock by boiling for 2 hours in one and a half pints of water the insides of the chicken with carrot, leeks, turnips, and seasoning. Cut the chicken in pieces, brown in butter; add a few small onions. Cover with the stock, and a spoonful of wine vinegar. Cook for 30 minutes. Meanwhile shell and mince l lb of walnuts. From time to time add a little water to thin the oil which comes from the nut. Add the minced nuts to the chicken and cook another 15 minutes. The sauce should be fairly thick.
Turn into a shallow dish and serve very cold. ”

You can read Stevie. Now turn this into a tasty treat after a day in Parliament.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

23 Nov 12 at 11:57 pm
The Israel lobby is likely to be the dominant force in Israel.

Don’t understand this.

Greg P.

23 Nov 12 at 11:58 pm
Setting up an entity used by others to defraud is not an infraction of any duty that she has as an officer of the court.

You’re just pulling out legal terms from your ass and throwing them around.

Scapula

23 Nov 12 at 11:58 pm
Lazlo she isn’t a solicitor. Basically gave it up after she was sacked.

DaveF

23 Nov 12 at 11:59 pm
I despise racists, I despise anti-semites, and I despise vapid poseurs who support terrorist barbarians against the civilised, yet who themselves enjoy the benefits of civilisation.

Well said, MK. I matches my own view. Liberty and prosperity are things all people on Earth should be able to enjoy, but only if they allow others to do the same.

tbh

24 Nov 12 at 12:02 am
Greg P:

I’m saying the Australian lobby is strong in this country etc

So the Israel Lobby must be strong there.

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 12:02 am
I despise vapid poseurs who support terrorist barbarians against the civilised

Don’t think too much about what makes people ‘civilised’ or ‘barbarian’ or you may never find your way out of the rabbit hole.

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 12:04 am
You’re just pulling out legal terms from your ass and throwing them around.

Australian Bar Review, vol 5 No 1 March 1989 page 1 refers to conspiracy to defraud and aiding and abetting a breach of the law as the two areas of the criminal law which potentially apply to professional advice.
His Honour McHugh J said (in part) “…when the lawyer goes beyond advice and draws documents for the purpose of enabling a client to achieve an objective, it is, I think, almost impossible to contend that the adviser does not aid the commission of any offence which results.”

You really are a dishonest and ignorant turd. Fuck off.

Lazlo

24 Nov 12 at 12:04 am
I wonder what they understand by “Israel lobby’?

Greg P.:

Anti-Zionists like to point out how much sway the Israel lobby has in the US, and they are right, but look how much it reigns in Israel too.

DaveF:

The Israel lobby is likely to be the dominant force in Israel.

Scapula

24 Nov 12 at 12:05 am
You didn’t say anything about a conspiracy in your first remark, and there is no evidence for such and no public allegation has been made.

Scapula

24 Nov 12 at 12:07 am
So the Israel Lobby must be strong there.

Where? The USA?

If you don’t know, and thus have to ‘assume’ the power of the US-Israeli lobby you’re a damned fool who may want to go to a less intellectually taxing blog.

FFS, even the dimwits @ Harvard had a paper on it.

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 12:08 am
How do you lie straight in bed?

Lazlo

24 Nov 12 at 12:10 am
And what is the Israel lobby? It’s a pro Israel mindset.

I imagine a pro Israel mindset is popular in Israel.

And thanks for making me the unthinking other.

I wonder what they understand by “Israel lobby’?

They?

I make a comment and I become part of a group?

C’mon Scapula back that stuff down.

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 12:13 am
I assume the fetal position.

Scapula

24 Nov 12 at 12:14 am
If i was looking for balanced information on Israel I’d travel a little further than Harvard.

FFS, even the dimwits @ Harvard had a paper on it.

That’s a very transparent appeal to authority mate.

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 12:18 am
what is the Israel lobby?

A: $

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 12:18 am
If you’re trying to paint me into anti-Semite corner try again shit head.

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 12:20 am
The reference to Harvard isn’t a fop to authority but rather a slight on Western Civilisations cultural-marxist dominated education systems.

The fact that you’re not nuanced enough to recognise this makes me suspicious. Perhaps you could send your children to Penn State?

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 12:25 am
Greg P:

Spending money on ideals or beliefs don’t make them happen.

There needs to be an undercurrent of support there.

So someone in Israel is supportive of that money.

No, sorry the money argument doesn’t hold water.

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 12:27 am
ie you’re an ambiguous fuck-wit with an agenda.

Speak cleanly shit-head.

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 12:29 am
Bring your argument , whatever it is, shit for brains.

I’m right here.

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 12:33 am
tick, tick, tick….

you’d think Mossad would do better.

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 12:34 am
No I don’t think the anti semite accusations here hold any water. No, you’re no anti Jew.

Oh the back off on Harvard is nice. You cite it you wear it. And the Pennsyvania State reference is very topical on a couple of levels.

I’m not a shithead.

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 12:35 am
I’m sure this site has a translator service given Sinclair’s open border persuasion.

Perhaps you could engage a from Mongoloid to Englaise translator first and then we could then have a conversation/argument?

…dewd.

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 12:38 am
Bring your argument , whatever it is, shit for brains.

I’m right here.

I’m not Mossad you know that.

What argument do you want?

That Israel is NOT controlled by US money? That Israel is engaged in a very genuine war of self defence? That the world is worse because Israel, the only democratic country there, is destabilising the Middle East?

Sure we can discuss this stuff.

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 12:43 am
To quote de Gaulle;

i have understood you

…and that one worked out real well.

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 12:46 am
It’s fine though.

I get paraphrasing.

So does Obama, Dave. And he got the big gig.

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 12:48 am
de Galle.

With the topic Golda Meir is probably more appropriate.

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 12:50 am
My mother is French Algerian:

Je vous ai compris

Seems more appropriate, if not sentimental.

Probably for Israelis too, but I digress.

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 12:53 am
Would you like to discuss? Or not?

Not Mr Obama. Israel.

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 12:53 am
OK Greg, that’s cool.

We’ll leave it here then.

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 12:55 am
We’ll leave it here then….

Whilst I imagine you against a French firing suad, no offence of course.

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 12:57 am
Non, je ne regrette rien

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFRuLFR91e4

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 12:59 am
I’m happy to have the chat if you like.

But you’re happy to leave it so that’s good.

And that’s a good song, trouble is I’m in the mddle of Country so it jarred a bit.

Later Greg

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 1:04 am
G-d willing you’ll crush your enemies Davey.

See if i give a shit, my country has gone to the dogs.

Remember, don’t give in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8gIzkCHvK4

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 1:08 am
Man your Lennon effort interuppted my Salt of the Earth.

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 1:13 am
Rolling Stones.

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 1:14 am
Salt of the Earth

The fuck?

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 1:15 am
I prefer the Stones to The Beatles.

Exile in particular…

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 1:16 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lNP-x94-SE

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 1:17 am
Sorry mate, we wont have a reconciliation by music

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 1:18 am
Are you really Israeli?

Remember your greatest traitors will come from within.

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 1:18 am
ie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U8JlcB_BzA

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 1:21 am
Quite the meltdown from Greg P.

You said made a patently stupid statement -

Anti-Zionists like to point out how much sway the Israel lobby has in the US, and they are right, but look how much it reigns in Israel too

ie that the Israel lobby was strong in Israel as some evidence of the nefarious sway of the Joooos.

It was brought to your attention in a polite manner – but even then you couldn’t see it.

Then you start carrying on like a mad chook.

You silly boy.

Podsnap

24 Nov 12 at 1:22 am
From ‘within’ i mean your religion/ethnic group.

I’ve lived it myself.

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 1:22 am
I’m not. And It’s odd you thought that.

You called me shit for brains.

I remember that.

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 1:23 am
Was this your first drift into the Cat?

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 1:25 am
Rip this Joint:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NehZl_X3hjQ

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 1:26 am
You called me shit for brains.

I remember that.

Got real enemies to worry about.

Greg P.

24 Nov 12 at 1:27 am
Music doesn’t cut it. I have the albums. Just was let it Bleed.

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 1:29 am
Got real enemies to worry about

Our ‘engagement’ left a lot of people out of the chat. And I figure they were disappointed by that.

Too much too and fro by 2 people makes others reluctant to comment.

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 1:35 am
Wow is it possible I have personally argued out a troll?

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 1:48 am
Yes I believe so.

1.48am ESDST troll erased.

I’m pleased, very pleased.

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 1:50 am
He seems like an ok bloke though

DaveF

24 Nov 12 at 2:04 am
Really? What a load of crap this place has come to.

Blogstrop

24 Nov 12 at 6:11 am
Good morning, all. While I have Abba on the teev in preparation for an evening with Bjorn Again (assuming the venue allows 10yos in), I’ve been reading up.

Did someone say, “de Gaulle?”

Brings to mind this:

During a November 27, 1967 press conference, Charles de Gaulle stated openly that French cooperation with the Arab world had become “the fundamental basis of our foreign policy.” By January 1969, the Second International Conference in Support of the Arab Peoples, held in Cairo, in its resolution 15, decided “to form special parliamentary groups, where they did not exist, and to use the parliamentary platform support of the Arab people and the Palestinian resistance.” Five years later in Paris, July 1974, the Parliamentary Association for Euro-Arab Cooperation was created, under the Euro-Arab Dialogue rubric.

Bat Ye’or has highlighted this shared Euro-Arab political agenda. The first step was the construction of a common foreign policy. France was the driving force in this unification, which had already been envisaged by General de Gaulle’s inner circle and Arab politicians. The Arab states demanded from Europe access to Western science and technology, European political independence from the United States, European pressure on the United States to align with their Arab policy and demonization of Israel as a threat to world peace, as well as measures favorable to Arab immigration and dissemination of Islamic culture in Europe. This cooperation would also included recognition of the Palestinians as a distinct people and the PLO and its leader Arafat as their representative. Up to 1973 they had been known only as Arab refugees, even by other Arabs. The concept of a Palestinian “nation” simply did not exist.

During the 1973 oil crisis, the Arab members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries announced that, due to the ongoing Yom Kippur War between Israel and its Arab neighbors Egypt and Syria, OPEC would no longer ship petroleum to Western nations that supported Israel. The sudden increase in oil prices was had lasting effects. Not only did it create a strong influx of petrodollars to countries such as Saudi Arabia, which permitted the Saudis to fund a worldwide Islamic resurgence, but it also had an impact in the West, especially in Europe.

However, Arab leaders had to sell their oil. Their people are very dependent on European economic and technological aid. The Americans made this point during the oil embargo in 1973. According to Bat Ye’or, although the oil factor certainly helped cement the Euro-Arab Dialogue, it was primarily a pretext to cover up a policy that emerged in France before that crisis occurred. The policy, conceived in the 1960s, had strong antecedents in the French 19th-century dream of governing an Arab empire.

This political agenda has been reinforced by the deliberate cultural transformation of Europe. Euro-Arab Dialogue Symposia conducted in Venice (1977) and Hamburg (1983) included recommendations that have been successfully implemented. These recommendations were accompanied by a deliberate, privileged influx of Arab and other Muslim immigrants into Europe in enormous numbers.

The recommendations included:

1. Coordination of the efforts made by the Arab countries to spread the Arabic language and culture in Europe,
2. Creation of joint Euro-Arab Cultural Centers in European capitals,
3. The necessity of supplying European institutions and universities with Arab teachers specialized in teaching Arabic to Europeans,
4. The necessity of cooperation between European and Arab specialists in order to present a positive picture of Arab-Islamic civilization and contemporary Arab issues to the educated public in Europe.

These agreements could not be set forth in written documents and treaties due to their politically sensitive and fundamentally undemocratic nature. The European leaders thus carefully chose to call their ideas “dialogue.” All meetings, committees and working groups included representatives from European Community nations and the European Council along with members from Arab countries and the Arab League. Proceedings and decisions took place in closed sessions. No official minutes were recorded.

The Euro-Arab Dialogue (EAD) is a political, economic and cultural institution designed to ensure perfect cohesion between Europeans and Arabs. Its structure was set up at conferences in Copenhagen (15 December 1973), and Paris (31 July 1974). The principal agent of this policy is the European Parliamentary Association for Euro-Arab Cooperation, founded in 1974. The other principal organs of The Dialogue are the MEDEA Institute and the European Institute of Research on Mediterranean and Euro-Arab Cooperation, created in 1995 with the backing of the European Commission.

nilk

24 Nov 12 at 8:00 am
And speaking of French Algerians… I think everyone should get to know the work of Pierre Rehov.

It’s going to be 34c here in Melbourne, so I’ll be re-potting and doing the washing. Hooray, summer’s here for a day!

nilk

24 Nov 12 at 8:14 am
Anecdotes about individual politicans’ cooking ability mean nothing about their fitness to govern. But, I did happen to see the Kitchen Cabinet episode with Nigel Scullion, Country/Liberal/National Senator for the NT since 2001 (he is a CLP member in the NT but sits with the Nats in the Senate).

Scullion is a real person and an interesting guy, having had several occupations including pro fisherman and the military before getting into politics. And, he is an absolutely superb cook. He could easily make a living from it. I would travel to eat his food.

How are those stereotypes going, Stevie?

johanna

24 Nov 12 at 1:45 pm

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